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| herve | ? | 12:08 |
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| herve | dholbach see addicted to making new packages :-) | 12:12 |
| \sh | hehe | 12:14 |
| herve | s/see/seems | 12:14 |
| ivoks | :) | 12:18 |
| DanielN | good nicht all | 12:22 |
| DanielN | night | 12:22 |
| DanielN | argh | 12:22 |
| ivoks | night | 12:22 |
| \sh | cu DanielN | 12:22 |
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| ivoks | hm... | 12:24 |
| ivoks | lots of new goodies in breezy :) | 12:24 |
| \sh | now it goes...python-kde3 is coming...can u here it? | 12:29 |
| herve | I like reading the english mistakes of german people | 12:31 |
| herve | it helps me understand the german pronounciation :-) | 12:31 |
| \sh | yeahme to | 12:32 |
| \sh | hear ;) | 12:32 |
| Amaranth | i love users | 12:32 |
| ivoks | :) | 12:32 |
| \sh | i'm thinking to fast , faster then I can move my fingers ;) | 12:32 |
| herve | that and ogra always saying "then" when he means "then" | 12:32 |
| Amaranth | one of them sent me a translation for smeg and another actually wrote the translation code for me | 12:32 |
| herve | quite many germans people do the same mistake | 12:32 |
| Amaranth | the code to generate pot files and compile conversions and etc | 12:33 |
| herve | Amaranth, yes, I'm managing a project at this time | 12:33 |
| herve | I'm the user/developer wanting to push the project further :-) | 12:33 |
| herve | Amaranth, gettext? | 12:33 |
| Amaranth | don't suppose any of you know how to deal with translations and .desktop files | 12:33 |
| Amaranth | xgettext, yeah | 12:34 |
| \sh | shermann@shermann-laptop:~/downloads$ w | 12:34 |
| \sh | 00:34:04 up 9:34, 4 users, load average: 7,11, 4,72, 3,35 | 12:34 |
| \sh | hmmm | 12:34 |
| Amaranth | i mean, i know you do Name[de] =whatever but is there a way to use gettext and etc to generate that for you? | 12:34 |
| \sh | my laptop is melting ;) | 12:34 |
| herve | not that I know | 12:34 |
| herve | \sh, try as I do, place an usb fan towards it :-) | 12:35 |
| Amaranth | ok, i'll just have to take patches against the .desktop files | 12:35 |
| herve | (a usb...) | 12:35 |
| \sh | herve: hahaha :) | 12:35 |
| \sh | an usb is correct ;) | 12:35 |
| \sh | herve: there is no place anymore for an usb fan :) | 12:35 |
| herve | no, "u" sounds like a consomn (?) | 12:35 |
| herve | so "a" is needed | 12:35 |
| herve | unless you pronounce it as "ou" of course :-) | 12:36 |
| \sh | i thought [uiao] needs an "an" ;) | 12:37 |
| \sh | think i need another holiday in an anglosaxxon country ;) | 12:37 |
| herve | it depends on how the pronounciation of the word begins | 12:38 |
| herve | pronouncing "i" is a mess in english | 12:38 |
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| herve | there are like three ways to pronounce it | 12:38 |
| lamont | quantlib looks to be a dpkg-architecture victim | 12:38 |
| herve | depending on the origin of the word, etc. | 12:38 |
| herve | hi lamont | 12:39 |
| \sh | herve: so it's an ubuntu linux, but a usb fan? | 12:39 |
| herve | I think so | 12:39 |
| herve | it's "oubountou", not "ioubountou" | 12:39 |
| lamont | one could argue an USB, or a USB... | 12:40 |
| herve | but my english skills are melting like ice | 12:40 |
| \sh | or an universal serial bus ;) | 12:40 |
| lamont | but given that USB is generally pronounced by stating the 3 letters, and the named letter U doesn't start with a vowel..... | 12:40 |
| herve | \sh, no, "iouniversal" ;() | 12:40 |
| lamont | herve: an universe | 12:40 |
| herve | you teach me that one | 12:41 |
| \sh | i pronounce it "younevercal" ,-) | 12:41 |
| ivoks | junivers | 12:41 |
| herve | no, sounds strange to me | 12:41 |
| \sh | 7topic MOTU english lessons, please join and listen | 12:42 |
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| herve | \sh, python-kde3 still hasn't reach my mailbox | 12:42 |
| \sh | herve: it compiles :) | 12:43 |
| herve | repeat after me, "the cat is driving the car" | 12:43 |
| herve | \sh, at yours or the buildd? I mean I have not seen any announce on breezy-changes | 12:43 |
| \sh | "the car is catching the cat" | 12:43 |
| \sh | herve: at mine | 12:43 |
| herve | that's why I can't hear it then | 12:44 |
| herve | we're too far away from each other! | 12:44 |
| \sh | herve: not too far away ..:) | 12:44 |
| herve | well, like 10 hours of train | 12:44 |
| herve | and something like 800 km for a bird | 12:44 |
| herve | for a european swallow (?) I mean | 12:45 |
| herve | not carrying any coconut | 12:45 |
| \sh | hmm...coconut | 12:47 |
| \sh | g'night gentlemen...\sh is off to bed | 12:52 |
| herve | night | 12:52 |
| ivoks | night | 12:52 |
| herve | I won't be long either | 12:53 |
| herve | just by the time I file another dozen bugs :-) | 12:53 |
| herve | night itou | 12:58 |
| Amaranth | is the new X safe? | 01:14 |
| chillywilly | who broke my GUI? ;) | 01:16 |
| chillywilly | fess up | 01:16 |
| Amaranth | you GUI? | 01:18 |
| Amaranth | your | 01:18 |
| chillywilly | yes, the one installed on my computer | 01:19 |
| chillywilly | hence is is *mine* | 01:19 |
| chillywilly | muwaahahahaha | 01:19 |
| chillywilly | um, anyway...carry on | 01:20 |
| tseng | Amaranth: works for me | 01:53 |
| tseng | most working breezy xorg to date | 01:54 |
| Amaranth | tseng: good, because i already upgraded | 01:54 |
| tseng | heh | 01:55 |
| ajmitch | hi | 01:59 |
| tseng | hi ajmitch | 01:59 |
| dooglus | where should I report 'universe' bugs in breezy? | 02:10 |
| dooglus | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ ? or is there somewhere separate? | 02:11 |
| ajmitch | launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone | 02:12 |
| dooglus | wow, really? | 02:12 |
| dooglus | how would I know to use that site instead of the regular bugzilla? is there a webpage somewhere? or how? | 02:14 |
| ajmitch | dooglus: would I tell you a lie? :) | 02:14 |
| ajmitch | have a look in the channel topic | 02:15 |
| dooglus | ajmitch: I believe you, but if I hadn't stumbled upon this channel (and it does have quite an odd name) then I would have submitted the bug to bugzilla.u.c... and it wouldn't have told me not to | 02:17 |
| ajmitch | yes, and it's listed on the wiki as well, I believe | 02:18 |
| dooglus | what about bugs in main for breezy? where do they go? | 02:18 |
| ajmitch | bugzilla | 02:18 |
| dooglus | and bugs in main for hoary? | 02:18 |
| ajmitch | bugzilla | 02:18 |
| dooglus | is there a field that I can use to speficy whether the bug shows up in hoary or breezy? | 02:19 |
| ajmitch | probably write in the comment | 02:19 |
| dooglus | ajmitch: ok, fine. thanks. | 02:20 |
| dooglus | I just noticed. if I go to bugzilla and try to 'add a bug', it offers a link to launchpad for 'ubuntu universe' bugs... | 02:21 |
| dooglus | however, it's right at the end, and the 3rd link was to bugzilla, and that's apparently for "any issues with anything distributed as part of Ubuntu". | 02:21 |
| dooglus | perhaps that message should be clearer - is 'universe' part of ubuntu or not? it's not clear. | 02:22 |
| ajmitch | perhaps you could file a bug about it in bugzilla? :) | 02:23 |
| dooglus | heh, funny you should say that... | 02:30 |
| dooglus | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11488 | 02:30 |
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| dooglus | ajmitch: does launchpad work? | 02:50 |
| dooglus | I just tried using it to report a bug and got a 'system error' | 02:50 |
| dooglus | "Big bugs have little bugs upon their backs to bite 'em; | 02:53 |
| dooglus | Little bugs have smaller bugs, and so on, ad infinitum." | 02:53 |
| Amaranth | oh yeah, malone was broken last time i tried | 02:58 |
| dooglus | ugh. | 02:59 |
| ajmitch | malone has issues | 03:25 |
| tseng | hi | 04:04 |
| zul | does anyone have and adm8211 based card? | 04:10 |
| zul | i want to see if it has sysfs support? | 04:11 |
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| lamont | asedriveiiie needs gcc-4.0 liove | 05:42 |
| lamont | love, even | 05:42 |
| lamont | and kxl needs xorg love | 05:42 |
| lamont | hk-classes: g++-4.0 love | 05:43 |
| lamont | raidutils, schooltool: g++-4.0 | 05:44 |
| lamont | giblib: xorg | 05:44 |
| lamont | libast: gcc-4.0 | 05:44 |
| lamont | allegro4: gcc-4.0 | 05:45 |
| lamont | db2: gcc-4.0 | 05:52 |
| lamont | g'night all | 05:57 |
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| \sh | morning | 08:28 |
| \sh | python-kde3 upload now | 08:31 |
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| \sh | Riddell: ping | 09:46 |
| ivoks | pong :) | 10:09 |
| \sh | lol | 10:11 |
| ivoks | Mithrandir: ping | 10:16 |
| Mithrandir | ivoks: yes? | 10:16 |
| ivoks | Mithrandir: i have two requests :) | 10:16 |
| ivoks | Mithrandir: mpich and lam4-dev | 10:17 |
| Mithrandir | done | 10:17 |
| ivoks | thank you | 10:17 |
| Mithrandir | np | 10:17 |
| ivoks | it's great to be member of this great team | 10:18 |
| ivoks | if I can do anything for you guys, just ask | 10:19 |
| \sh | http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/shermannpics/events/ish_buddies_20050602/?g2_navId=x6e802011 | 10:19 |
| \sh | the best cable tv engineers in cologne, germany :) | 10:19 |
| \sh | strike | 10:29 |
| \sh | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/p/python-kde3/3.11.4+snapshot20050316-0ubuntu2/ | 10:29 |
| \sh | Riddell: u can test python-kde3 ;) | 10:29 |
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| ivoks | ajmitch: ping | 11:08 |
| ivoks | ajmitch: BIG PING :) | 11:09 |
| ivoks | ajmitch: < fabbione> ivoks: the patch isn't extremely bad.. if you can get people to work on userland, i can consider patching the kernel | 11:09 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: waz dat fir> | 11:10 |
| Lathiat | for | 11:10 |
| SquishyWaffle | Greetings, I just stumbled my way through creating my first package :) | 11:10 |
| ivoks | Lathiat: layer7 filtering | 11:11 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: specifics? | 11:11 |
| ivoks | Lathiat: firewall that would filter traffic based on protocol, not ports | 11:11 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: sounds cpu intensive :) | 11:12 |
| ivoks | Lathiat: so you would say, HTTP OK, FTP NOTOK | 11:12 |
| ivoks | Lathiat: it isn't that much... | 11:12 |
| ivoks | i filter 300 computers with that... | 11:12 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: but does it do it on like every packet | 11:12 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: or like start of connection | 11:12 |
| ivoks | Lathiat: http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/technicaldetails | 11:12 |
| ivoks | it checks only first package | 11:13 |
| ivoks | packet :) | 11:13 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: ah, sounds cool | 11:13 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: but i mean like, a bit of data needs to pass for these things, does it just rudely reset it if none of it matches? | 11:14 |
| ivoks | Lathiat: it isn't that cpu intensive | 11:14 |
| ivoks | it's quite nice | 11:14 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: or does it just listen to both sides before passing any data | 11:14 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: because assumedly one side will send something first | 11:14 |
| ivoks | ? | 11:14 |
| ivoks | Lathiat: you define will you be allowed to establish connection | 11:15 |
| ivoks | so.. it's posibble to ban all incoming HTTP requests | 11:15 |
| ivoks | but you will be able to establish any HTTP connection outside | 11:15 |
| ivoks | like normal netfilter | 11:15 |
| \sh | ivoks: this is not new | 11:16 |
| ivoks | acctually, this is just a appendix for netfilter :) | 11:16 |
| ivoks | \sh: of course it's not new :) | 11:16 |
| ivoks | \sh: but tell me, how would you ban any HTTP request on local maching from outside? | 11:16 |
| \sh | ivoks: securecomputing sidewinder | 11:17 |
| ivoks | you can't do that with netfilter the way it is now | 11:17 |
| ivoks | lol | 11:17 |
| \sh | ivoks: no joke...most of beautiful things of securecomputing is in there :) | 11:18 |
| ivoks | \sh: but you aren't telling me that everyone should buy sidewinder, aren't you? :) | 11:19 |
| \sh | ivoks: and I'm trained on it | 11:19 |
| ivoks | and it isn't free | 11:19 |
| ivoks | :) | 11:19 |
| ivoks | so, it's uselss to us | 11:20 |
| ivoks | like UNIX :)( | 11:20 |
| \sh | ivoks: the problem is, in a company I can't come with a solution for highsec and tell them: "hey, use this one, it's free, nobody give u a garanty or warranty, but it's working" | 11:21 |
| ivoks | \sh: i'm not telling about company | 11:23 |
| ivoks | \sh: i'm talking about home users | 11:23 |
| \sh | ivoks: does a home user need really layer7 filtering? | 11:23 |
| ivoks | \sh: i would say, yes | 11:23 |
| \sh | does a homeuser knows what layer7 filtering is? | 11:24 |
| ivoks | he doesn't need to know that he's using that | 11:24 |
| ivoks | home user wants "i want HTTP" "I want P2P | 11:24 |
| \sh | so we should make the same mistake like ms? | 11:24 |
| ivoks | but i don't want "that an that" | 11:24 |
| ivoks | ? | 11:24 |
| \sh | telling the user that he can secure himself, without a clue what he's doing? | 11:25 |
| ivoks | \sh: not without a clue | 11:25 |
| \sh | ivoks: most normal home users haven't any clue...this is the pitfall in MS thinking | 11:25 |
| ivoks | but home user doesn't want to know anything about iptables | 11:25 |
| \sh | ivoks: no, they want to have things like firestarter, or "personal firewalls" | 11:26 |
| ivoks | he just wants to work | 11:26 |
| ivoks | right | 11:26 |
| \sh | so a normal iptables packet filter does it for u. most propably he's using the packetfilter on his dsl router | 11:26 |
| \sh | he doesn't need layer7 filtering | 11:26 |
| \sh | but | 11:26 |
| ivoks | \sh: normal netfilter does not do it right | 11:26 |
| ivoks | you can't block fasttrack and allow http with netfilter | 11:27 |
| ivoks | without going to layer 7 | 11:27 |
| ivoks | they use same ports (80) | 11:27 |
| \sh | a enterprise edition of * Linux for ISPs or SOHOs they need layer7 and more :) | 11:27 |
| \sh | whatever fasttrack is ;) | 11:28 |
| ivoks | \sh: p2p network | 11:28 |
| \sh | hmm........ | 11:28 |
| ivoks | one of most popular.. | 11:28 |
| ivoks | at least, it was :) | 11:29 |
| \sh | so the return port is 80? | 11:29 |
| doko | ajmitch: ping | 11:29 |
| ivoks | \sh: yes | 11:29 |
| \sh | ivoks: so it's different... | 11:29 |
| ivoks | \sh: http://www.kazaa.com/us/index.htm | 11:29 |
| \sh | http -> questioning port == 80 | 11:29 |
| \sh | http -> answering port > 1024 | 11:30 |
| \sh | fasttrack -> questioning port => ? | 11:30 |
| \sh | fastrack -> answering port == 80? | 11:30 |
| ivoks | yes | 11:30 |
| \sh | for what layer7 then? | 11:30 |
| \sh | filter incoming port of 80 and block it | 11:31 |
| \sh | or accept it | 11:31 |
| ivoks | ah... | 11:31 |
| ivoks | did you ever fight against p2p in your backyard? :) | 11:31 |
| \sh | it makes more sense, if u have a httpd running on your side, and u want to filter the incoming requests | 11:31 |
| \sh | ivoks: no... | 11:31 |
| ivoks | \sh: i did... closing ports is useless | 11:32 |
| \sh | ivoks: why? if u want to use fasttrack open port 80 incoming, if not, close it | 11:32 |
| ivoks | but it connects to other computers on port 80 | 11:32 |
| ivoks | and you can deny outgoing traffic to 80 | 11:33 |
| \sh | ivoks: thats outgoing | 11:33 |
| ivoks | s/can/can't/ | 11:33 |
| ivoks | \sh: i started disscusion on ubuntu-devel, so I would appriciate any comments or sugestions | 11:34 |
| \sh | ivoks: of course u can :) install squid on one special machine, open port 8080 for all users, configure filter for fasttrack detection and deny all requests of this filter | 11:34 |
| \sh | the rest can go out, open outgoing connections from squid server to port 80 outside | 11:34 |
| ivoks | and what about other networks? | 11:35 |
| ivoks | that don't have same port all the time | 11:35 |
| ivoks | for example, winmx | 11:35 |
| ivoks | there is no way to filter it | 11:35 |
| \sh | ivoks: as I said, a firewall is not a software solution, it's a concept. | 11:35 |
| ivoks | \sh: i agree | 11:35 |
| ivoks | \sh: but you can't have squids on local machines | 11:36 |
| ivoks | well... | 11:36 |
| \sh | if u say: no p2p block all p2p ports..if one p2p network using common ports e.g. http, u need to filter on application level | 11:36 |
| ivoks | i have to go now | 11:36 |
| \sh | but this is not for homeusers | 11:36 |
| ivoks | topic is on ubundu-devel, please, comment there | 11:36 |
| \sh | if homeuser wants to have p2p -> open it, if not, close it | 11:36 |
| ivoks | \sh: problem is... | 11:37 |
| ivoks | \sh: does user know on what port p2p works? | 11:37 |
| ivoks | wouldn't it be easier "open p2p" "close p2p"? | 11:37 |
| ivoks | i think that is much better then "open 80, 4111, 2345, 1234, but close 1234 and 452" | 11:38 |
| ivoks | s/452/4551/ :) | 11:38 |
| ivoks | i really have to go now... | 11:39 |
| ivoks | see you | 11:39 |
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| DanielN | morning | 11:49 |
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| Treenaks | Which laptops work better in ubuntu? HP or Dell or both? | 11:51 |
| \sh | most of the things from HP is working nicely with ubuntu...but the irda port and the sd card reader is not working as expected. | 11:58 |
| \sh | for irda there is a solution with a separate piece of software, but the sd card reader will be difficult | 11:59 |
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| doko | DanielN: morning | 12:01 |
| \sh | doko: u addicted package machine ;) | 12:03 |
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| DanielN | mhm | 12:11 |
| DanielN | i'll try kubuntu now... never done that before :) | 12:11 |
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| doko | DanielN: fix your outstanding C++ packages first ;-) | 12:30 |
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| tseng | hi | 12:36 |
| \sh | argl | 12:41 |
| \sh | 500kg in less then 15 minutes | 12:41 |
| \sh | and what i'm doing now with 1000 music cds...i don't have place for it in my new flat | 12:41 |
| tseng | \sh: oh man my mom moved my stuff around at her house | 12:48 |
| tseng | \sh: dumped all my cds | 12:48 |
| tseng | all out of order and stuff | 12:49 |
| \sh | well..in this case, it wasn't my mom, it was my exwife who chased me out ;) | 12:49 |
| tseng | heh | 12:51 |
| tseng | i dont have any of those, luckily | 12:51 |
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| \sh | hehe | 01:01 |
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| herve | morning | 01:33 |
| tseng | hi | 01:33 |
| \sh | hey herve | 01:40 |
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| \sh | herve: python-kde3 just reached your inbox ;) | 01:50 |
| herve | haven't read it yet :-) | 01:50 |
| tseng | oooh @ "Hide Read Messages" | 01:56 |
| tseng | perfect for breezy-changes | 01:56 |
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| herve | hey, I need to read again the announces sometimes | 02:00 |
| herve | and TB is smart enough to point me to the first unread messag | 02:00 |
| tseng | herve: you can unhide it, obviously | 02:00 |
| tseng | i can actually have a huge ammount of mail and find stuff now, thanks to beagle magic | 02:01 |
| tseng | suprisingly i dont use it enough | 02:01 |
| Mithrandir | I need to make beagle talk to my imap server. | 02:01 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: the search of kmail is good enough :) | 02:02 |
| siretart | hi folks | 02:03 |
| herve | hi siretart | 02:03 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: that would imply installing kmail. And if it doesn't index, you lose. | 02:04 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: well..indexing is done by cyrus imapd...thats enough ;) | 02:05 |
| Mithrandir | : tfheen@vawad ~ > du -sh ~/Maildir | 02:05 |
| Mithrandir | 7,0G /home/tfheen/Maildir | 02:05 |
| Mithrandir | there's _no way_ I'm letting cyrus close to my mail. :-) | 02:05 |
| tseng | hah wow | 02:05 |
| tseng | 122M.maildir | 02:05 |
| \sh | for my new imap spool...i'm on 288MB | 02:06 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: that's my inboxes (which means all spam, lists, etc filtered away) for 2004. :P | 02:06 |
| uniq | mine is 2.8G and curier-imap-ssl+kmail works just fine. | 02:06 |
| tseng | Mithrandir: ah, i /dev/null spam over a certain threshold | 02:07 |
| tseng | Mithrandir: so i only get about the bottom 3rd of it | 02:07 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: I refuse anything getting > 10 as the SA score. | 02:07 |
| tseng | i think mine is 7 or 8 | 02:07 |
| Mithrandir | which still accounts for somewhere in the range of 30MB/month. | 02:07 |
| \sh | i still have to include my old archive | 02:08 |
| tseng | i need to fiddle with something, im starting to get a few mails a day to my inbox | 02:08 |
| tseng | and yes I retrain it every week or 2 | 02:08 |
| tseng | on uncaught. | 02:08 |
| herve | ho no, not "I have the biggest one" again :-) | 02:08 |
| tseng | herve: i see your schwartz is as big as mine? | 02:09 |
| herve | I refuse to answer! | 02:09 |
| tseng | watch the movie. | 02:10 |
| \sh | your "schwartz" ? | 02:11 |
| tseng | spaceballs | 02:11 |
| \sh | sad, i saw it only in german | 02:11 |
| tseng | hm | 02:11 |
| tseng | i imagine that takes alot out of it | 02:11 |
| \sh | well..i could imagine what the meaning is | 02:12 |
| \sh | ah | 02:13 |
| \sh | "may the schwartz be with you" -> "Mge der Saft mit dir sein" ;) | 02:14 |
| \sh | http://dict.leo.org/cgi-bin/dict/urlexp/20030328015533 | 02:14 |
| tseng | Saft = juice? | 02:14 |
| tseng | iirc. | 02:14 |
| \sh | yeah | 02:14 |
| \sh | it's a bad translation | 02:14 |
| tseng | wow. | 02:14 |
| \sh | i think the word "schwartz" comes from the jewish language (jiddish) | 02:16 |
| === siretart is looking at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUToReview | ||
| siretart | there is a lot outdated stuff there, I cleaned a few things up, but still.. | 02:21 |
| DanielN | ah herve, i should remind you, as you said ;) | 02:22 |
| siretart | does anyone know LorenzoHernandezGarciaHierro? | 02:22 |
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| doko | DanielN: C++ ping again? | 02:25 |
| herve | siretart, he's trulux, no? | 02:27 |
| herve | DanielN, sure! | 02:27 |
| trulux | herve: ? | 02:28 |
| siretart | ah | 02:29 |
| DanielN | doko: i'm learning right now.. but i have a bit time tonight maybe | 02:29 |
| siretart | trulux: I've seen your selinux packages on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUToReview. are they still for reviewing? | 02:29 |
| trulux | siretart: I think so | 02:30 |
| trulux | siretart: ask pitti | 02:30 |
| siretart | hm. okay | 02:30 |
| \sh | yes...the first "it works now" messages are coming for python-kde3 ;) | 02:34 |
| herve | DanielN, so "when" is to be reviewed, | 02:35 |
| herve | ? | 02:35 |
| DanielN | yeah | 02:35 |
| herve | DanielN, can you tell about the debian package on the author's page? | 02:54 |
| DanielN | herve: nothing to tell.. i began from scratch | 02:55 |
| herve | you didn't see it? | 02:56 |
| DanielN | no i didn't.. i saw that there's a binary deb.. but the source i didn't saw, until ivoks has tell me yesterday | 02:57 |
| herve | anyway, I have a problem | 02:57 |
| herve | dpkg-source: error: file when_1.0.23.orig.tar.gz has size 30420 instead of expected 30418 | 02:57 |
| DanielN | hmm | 02:58 |
| DanielN | no idea | 02:58 |
| siretart | ok. ToReview cleaned up a bit | 02:59 |
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| herve | siretart, how this page differs from MOTUNewPackages? | 03:01 |
| siretart | herve: ToReview are updated packages from existing one. NEW packages don't have hit either debian nor ubuntu | 03:01 |
| herve | hmm ok | 03:03 |
| herve | DanielN, but you checked what the author has set up for packaging? | 03:11 |
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| ivoks | hi | 03:14 |
| herve | hi | 03:14 |
| \sh | doko: u will do the transition again for debian? :) | 03:15 |
| DanielN | herve: ??? | 03:16 |
| herve | DanielN, the debian_stuff directory | 03:16 |
| ivoks | herve: he didn't removed it? :) | 03:16 |
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| herve | I can guess from a comment you're a german speaking swiss :-) | 03:21 |
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| shawarma | Hi! I'm a bit confused by the procedures for becoming a master of the universe... I have created a package, so there's no point in putting it into the UniverseCandidates as it's already made... What am I supposed to do? | 03:24 |
| \sh | if it's a new package (not in debian neither in ubuntu: MOTUNewPackages) | 03:25 |
| \sh | for becoming a MOTU u have to go the steps of "Ubuntu Member" -> "MOTU" | 03:25 |
| shawarma | \sh: Ok. What if it was already in Debian (it's not, but the next package might be) | 03:25 |
| herve | shawarma, MOTU is a special status you don't need to maintain packages | 03:26 |
| herve | \sh, you forgot a step :-) | 03:26 |
| \sh | install ubuntu? | 03:26 |
| \sh | oh now | 03:26 |
| \sh | -w | 03:26 |
| DanielN | herve | 03:26 |
| herve | shawarma, it would be better if it enters Debian first | 03:26 |
| \sh | create a wiki page..without a wiki page u won't become a member ;) | 03:26 |
| DanielN | i deleted debian_stuff | 03:26 |
| herve | \sh, maintainer != motu | 03:26 |
| DanielN | as ivoks said to me | 03:26 |
| herve | DanielN, what? no leave it :-) | 03:27 |
| ivoks | :> | 03:27 |
| herve | you're supposed to be less instrusive as possible in the upstream package | 03:27 |
| === herve kicks ivoks! | ||
| ivoks | herve: come on | 03:27 |
| \sh | herve: he asked: [15:24] <shawarma> Hi! I'm a bit confused by the procedures for becoming a master of the universe. | 03:27 |
| ivoks | that debian_stuff is for debian package | 03:27 |
| shawarma | I have to say that I'm not less confused now.. :-) | 03:27 |
| ivoks | shawarma: fist, you have to create your own wiki page | 03:28 |
| shawarma | I thought Masters of the universe was the group of maintainers of the universe. | 03:28 |
| shawarma | ivoks: Done. | 03:28 |
| \sh | shawarma: motus doesn't maintain packages...we r giving love to the packages ;) | 03:28 |
| ivoks | shawarma: then you have to apply for a Ubuntu Member | 03:28 |
| \sh | but a motu could be a package maintainer | 03:28 |
| shawarma | shawarma: But in order to become that I have to have done stuff, but I can't do stuff before I'm a member... Or? | 03:28 |
| shawarma | ivoks: That was for you.. | 03:28 |
| \sh | shawarma: u can ask for reviewing and sponsored upload :) | 03:29 |
| \sh | shawarma: u can prepare your wiki page | 03:29 |
| ivoks | to become ubuntu member, you have to something for community | 03:29 |
| \sh | write documentation whatever ubuntu related for the community | 03:29 |
| herve | ivoks, it's harmless to leave it, and I don't like the idea of removing stuff in upstream packages | 03:29 |
| shawarma | \sh: 2 questions: What do you mean by "giving love"? Who do I ask for sponsorship? | 03:29 |
| ivoks | herve: well... ok | 03:29 |
| ivoks | no sponsorship here | 03:30 |
| \sh | shawarma: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages | 03:30 |
| ivoks | everybody will help you | 03:30 |
| ivoks | damn.. | 03:30 |
| ivoks | hdf5 needs a lot of patching :( | 03:30 |
| \sh | shawarma: we will review the packages and deciding then if it goes into the repos e.g. | 03:30 |
| \sh | ivoks: hahaha u have it ;) | 03:30 |
| ivoks | mine still didn't :) | 03:30 |
| ivoks | warning: the address of 'H5G_init_interface', will always evaluate as 'true' | 03:31 |
| \sh | ivoks: check the rules file | 03:31 |
| ivoks | i get like hunderts of these and a like :) | 03:31 |
| \sh | the package name depends on the rules and version of changelog | 03:31 |
| ivoks | \sh: package is ok... | 03:31 |
| \sh | its a mess | 03:31 |
| ivoks | source isn't nice for g++4 | 03:31 |
| ivoks | or gcc4 | 03:31 |
| \sh | ivoks: u checked the other page? with the debian bug reports? | 03:32 |
| ivoks | warning: ISO C90 does not support 'long long' | 03:32 |
| ivoks | \sh: nope :) | 03:32 |
| \sh | huahuahua | 03:32 |
| \sh | ivoks: this will be your masterpiece | 03:32 |
| ivoks | funny thing is... | 03:32 |
| ivoks | it compiles :) | 03:32 |
| \sh | warnings ;) | 03:32 |
| ivoks | just with 1000^7 warnings :) | 03:32 |
| shawarma | Ok. Now it's added to MOTUNewPackages... so now I just wait? | 03:33 |
| DanielN | herve: what about when now? | 03:33 |
| ivoks | typedef unsigned long long hsize_t; | 03:34 |
| ivoks | someone was drunk when doing this :) | 03:34 |
| \sh | shawarma: sad but true | 03:34 |
| shawarma | \sh: It's only sad if the wait is long.. | 03:34 |
| \sh | shawarma: right now we're in a cxx transition and it takes all our power | 03:34 |
| ivoks | shawarma: it is | 03:34 |
| \sh | shawarma: well...check d.b.o/wnpp ;) | 03:34 |
| ivoks | shawarma: now we are totally occupied with cxx | 03:34 |
| \sh | u will find packages waiting for >1 year..but we're faster | 03:35 |
| shawarma | \sh: I'd imagine. Debian is not the fastest organization in the world. :-) | 03:35 |
| herve | Daniel, continuing the review | 03:35 |
| \sh | shawarma: imagine we're only 20 ppl | 03:35 |
| \sh | 20? | 03:35 |
| ivoks | warning: cast discards qualifiers from pointer target type | 03:35 |
| ivoks | man... | 03:36 |
| ivoks | :((( | 03:36 |
| \sh | ogra: recruiting ;) | 03:36 |
| ivoks | it's 4MB gizped messed source... | 03:36 |
| herve | ivoks, want an aspirin? :-) | 03:36 |
| shawarma | Can you explain this MOTU thing again? You are just the guys with upload privileges, or what? Or how do you differ from the package maintainers? | 03:37 |
| ivoks | \sh: there is new debian hdf5 | 03:38 |
| ivoks | \sh: should i use that one? :) | 03:38 |
| herve | shawarma, yes we upload packages but that's only a part of it | 03:39 |
| herve | ivoks, I'd like a sync, yes | 03:39 |
| herve | shawarma, we upload because we fix packages and sync with debian | 03:39 |
| \sh | ivoks: sure | 03:39 |
| \sh | sync it, if it's not already | 03:39 |
| ivoks | ah, no new things in -3 | 03:39 |
| herve | shawarma, the motus also approve new packages and new colleagues | 03:40 |
| ivoks | only fixes in debian/* | 03:40 |
| ivoks | damn... :( | 03:40 |
| herve | ivoks, still, sync it please | 03:40 |
| ivoks | herve: sure | 03:40 |
| ivoks | i was hoping for some patches :) | 03:40 |
| herve | like debian would care for gcc 4 for now ;-) | 03:40 |
| herve | but check upstream too | 03:41 |
| herve | you can sync a new one with -0ubuntu1 as the revision | 03:41 |
| ivoks | i know | 03:41 |
| ivoks | i did that with wifi-radar | 03:41 |
| shawarma | herve: Ok... I just got confused because on the MOTURecruitment page it says that if you want to become a MOTU, you go to the MaintainerCandidates page, and on the MOTU page it says to go to MOTURecruitment if you want to be a maintainer. I assumed MOTU == maintainer. | 03:41 |
| ivoks | wich still isn't uploaded :) | 03:42 |
| herve | shawarma, I know it's a mess, I felt the same :-) | 03:42 |
| siretart | hm. mesa is challenging :) | 03:43 |
| shawarma | herve: So I'm still not totally sure.. I guess I just want to be a regular maintainer (don't have time for all the stuff you guys apparantly do).. Where is that process outlined? | 03:43 |
| shawarma | herve: Sorry to bother you with all my stupid questions when you're so busy, I'm just very eager to get started on helping out. | 03:44 |
| ivoks | yes, there is new version | 03:44 |
| \sh | shawarma: follow the DD way | 03:45 |
| shawarma | \sh: Become Debian Developer first? | 03:45 |
| \sh | or put the package on MOTUNewPackages and ask for review + upload | 03:45 |
| \sh | shawarma: this is for us the best way...get the package inside debian, we sync | 03:45 |
| herve | shawarma, ask yourself two questions: what have you done for ubuntu so far, and what do you want to do as a maintaner? | 03:45 |
| shawarma | \sh: Stupid question: Where to as for review + upload? | 03:45 |
| \sh | shawarma: here? :) | 03:46 |
| herve | shawarma, you have to prove you're a valued member and you will bring help to the universe | 03:46 |
| ivoks | shawarma: you can start with porting hdf5 :) | 03:46 |
| herve | if it's just for making a package entering ubuntu, it's not worth the effort | 03:46 |
| \sh | rotfl | 03:46 |
| shawarma | \sh: I've tried to become a Debian Developer for ages, but I need signatures and stuff, and there aren't a lot of DD's around here to sign my key.. | 03:47 |
| \sh | shawarma: there is another possibility | 03:47 |
| ivoks | shawarma: well, you need signatuers here too | 03:47 |
| \sh | shawarma: u can send at least your passport copy or whatever to them | 03:47 |
| ivoks | shawarma: but not only from ubuntu or debian developers | 03:47 |
| siretart | shawarma: what package are you talking about? why do I think it should be in ubuntu? | 03:47 |
| shawarma | lbtouch. it's a driver for a touchscreen found on Fujitsu Lifebooks. | 03:48 |
| shawarma | It should be in Ubuntu because I need the package and other people probably need it as well. | 03:48 |
| ivoks | oh, god, no... | 03:49 |
| siretart | shawarma: ah, sounds great. | 03:49 |
| ivoks | debian patch for hdf5 has... | 03:49 |
| ivoks | 96000 lines :( | 03:49 |
| ivoks | jesus... | 03:49 |
| shawarma | ivoks: Really? who can sign it besides them? | 03:49 |
| siretart | shawarma: I think it would very helpfull if there was a MOTU or ubuntu developer who could test your package | 03:50 |
| shawarma | siretart: Sure would. It's listed on the NewPackages page. | 03:50 |
| shawarma | It generates one of those -source-packages usable with the module-assistant. | 03:51 |
| \sh | siretart: it could go with the laptop testing | 03:51 |
| siretart | \sh: great idea! | 03:51 |
| ivoks | lol! i can't belive it | 03:51 |
| ivoks | source has comment like: /* Define if `dev_t' is a scalar */ | 03:51 |
| \sh | shawarma: your package is on MOTUNewPackages? | 03:52 |
| ivoks | and debian maintainter fix it into: | 03:52 |
| shawarma | \sh: Yup. | 03:52 |
| ivoks | /* Define if \`dev_t' is a scalar */ | 03:52 |
| ivoks | what's with the \? :)))) | 03:52 |
| ivoks | it's comment, doesn't get parsed :) | 03:52 |
| shawarma | ivoks: *G* | 03:53 |
| \sh | shawarma: i see what i can do | 03:54 |
| shawarma | \sh: You can search for lbtouch. | 03:54 |
| shawarma | \sh: That'd be great! | 03:54 |
| shawarma | \sh: there's no rush, I just want to be sure that I've done everything right and someone will look at it eventually. | 03:55 |
| shawarma | \sh: If adding it to MOTUNewPackages should be sufficient, I'll just wait. | 03:55 |
| \sh | shawarma: right now, we have a project with laptop testing..i think we will find one with a lifebook | 03:55 |
| shawarma | \sh: Ok. to make it work 100%, you need an X-driver, which I'm going to package later today. | 03:56 |
| \sh | hehe...we need this as well | 03:58 |
| ivoks | ok, i'll need weeks for hdf5 | 03:59 |
| ivoks | and C/C++ bibles | 03:59 |
| herve | and a couple of gurus :-) | 04:00 |
| ivoks | 100, to be specific :) | 04:00 |
| ivoks | this is a mess | 04:00 |
| ivoks | i'm thinking about doing debian/* from start | 04:00 |
| ivoks | http://hdf.ncsa.uiuc.edu/HDF5/release/platforms5.html | 04:02 |
| ivoks | hm... | 04:02 |
| ivoks | !!! :))) !!!! | 04:02 |
| ivoks | gcc 3.2.3, 3.3.6, 3.4.4, 4.0.0 | 04:02 |
| \sh | ivoks: sync it from debian | 04:03 |
| ivoks | \sh: we have latest debian in | 04:03 |
| ivoks | but upstream has new one | 04:03 |
| ivoks | wich compiles with 4.0 | 04:03 |
| ivoks | at least, they say it does | 04:04 |
| \sh | ivoks: uupdate is your friend :) | 04:04 |
| ivoks | uupdate? | 04:04 |
| \sh | man uupdate :) comes together with uscan | 04:04 |
| ivoks | doing that allready :) | 04:04 |
| ivoks | i should do uupdate on allready debianized source? | 04:06 |
| \sh | ivoks: the upstream has debian/ ? | 04:07 |
| ivoks | no | 04:08 |
| \sh | so | 04:08 |
| \sh | u do this | 04:08 |
| \sh | download upstream package | 04:08 |
| \sh | (put it where your .dsc files are) | 04:08 |
| \sh | then enter debianized old sourcetree | 04:09 |
| ivoks | and uupdate | 04:09 |
| ivoks | too many rejects :( | 04:09 |
| \sh | uupdate -v <new upstream ver> ../<upstream tar.gz> | 04:09 |
| \sh | ivoks: resolv them | 04:09 |
| ivoks | when i say many, i don't think 10 or 20 :) | 04:09 |
| \sh | if u do, u don't have to make a source upload | 04:09 |
| herve | ivoks, you may contact the maintainer for common work | 04:12 |
| herve | he's a nice french guy ;-) | 04:12 |
| ivoks | :) | 04:13 |
| ivoks | # Be optimistic about future versions of gcc.. :-) - QAK - 2003/10/20 | 04:15 |
| ivoks | nice :) | 04:15 |
| herve | ivoks, "#301418: hdf5: Please update to version 1.6.4" | 04:18 |
| herve | :-) | 04:18 |
| ivoks | :) | 04:18 |
| DanielN | herve: you found some misstakes in when? | 04:19 |
| ivoks | then we will wait :) | 04:19 |
| herve | DanielN, ha yes, but nothing serious | 04:19 |
| herve | more like cleanups | 04:19 |
| DanielN | cool | 04:19 |
| herve | ivoks, I'm quite serious about contacting the DD | 04:19 |
| ivoks | herve: i know | 04:20 |
| ivoks | josselin? is he/she male of female? :) | 04:21 |
| herve | male | 04:21 |
| \sh | does it matter? | 04:21 |
| herve | quite rare name, yes | 04:21 |
| herve | \sh, for ivoks, probably :-) | 04:21 |
| ivoks | :) | 04:22 |
| \sh | i had this yesterday on #ubuntu-de | 04:22 |
| \sh | there is a girl :) and the first person who didn't know it, tried to "flirt" with her *eg* | 04:23 |
| herve | ok, I made my duty, 3 new packages reviewed | 04:23 |
| ivoks | wow | 04:23 |
| ivoks | when? :) | 04:23 |
| \sh | which ones? | 04:23 |
| herve | \sh, by the way, remind me if "leiber" is male or female | 04:24 |
| herve | I quite never remember | 04:24 |
| herve | ivoks, when plus the two first in the list | 04:24 |
| === herve <- hungry! | ||
| \sh | leiber? die leiber? the bodies? ;) | 04:24 |
| DanielN | herve: what about the orig.tar.gz size? could i do anything here? | 04:25 |
| herve | Daniel, I'll inspect it | 04:25 |
| DanielN | ok | 04:25 |
| herve | \sh, ouch! liebe? | 04:26 |
| ivoks | hm.. | 04:26 |
| ivoks | 1.6.4 goes really nice with gcc4 | 04:27 |
| \sh | herve: love? die liebe :) | 04:28 |
| herve | dear, I meant | 04:28 |
| herve | and not deer, with your accent :-p | 04:28 |
| \sh | dear has no "male or female" it's an adjective | 04:29 |
| \sh | it's more "the" dear ;) | 04:29 |
| \sh | Dear Woman, Dear Man | 04:29 |
| herve | hmm... | 04:29 |
| \sh | dear == lieb, teuer | 04:30 |
| herve | I once was told to use "lieber" and not "liebe" | 04:30 |
| herve | because it was for men | 04:30 |
| \sh | thats different from dear :) | 04:30 |
| \sh | Lieber Herve | 04:30 |
| \sh | male | 04:30 |
| ivoks | ok, got to go.. | 04:30 |
| ivoks | see you | 04:30 |
| \sh | Liebe Susu | 04:30 |
| \sh | female | 04:30 |
| ivoks | bye | 04:30 |
| \sh | cu ivoks | 04:30 |
| herve | ok, I'll try to remember | 04:30 |
| herve | bye ivoks | 04:30 |
| ivoks | herve: -r is for males, and -e is for females | 04:31 |
| ivoks | german is hard :-/ | 04:31 |
| \sh | ivoks: well | 04:31 |
| \sh | ivoks: das liebe tier | 04:31 |
| \sh | tier is "it" | 04:31 |
| ivoks | that's middle | 04:31 |
| \sh | ivoks: right..:) | 04:32 |
| herve | ivoks | 04:32 |
| ivoks | das | 04:32 |
| \sh | and it's not "dear" ;) | 04:32 |
| herve | joss is online on freenode ;-) | 04:32 |
| ivoks | der das die | 04:32 |
| ivoks | herve: i've send email allready | 04:32 |
| \sh | Dear <bla> == as introduction in a letter is different | 04:32 |
| ivoks | Liebe Susu is start of a letter, right? | 04:33 |
| \sh | yeah | 04:33 |
| ivoks | das liebe tier is like... loving animal | 04:33 |
| ivoks | or dear animal | 04:33 |
| \sh | right | 04:33 |
| \sh | no | 04:33 |
| ivoks | dear like loving | 04:33 |
| ivoks | not like start of a letter | 04:33 |
| \sh | my beloved animal | 04:34 |
| ivoks | right | 04:34 |
| ivoks | it doesn't have to be my | 04:34 |
| ivoks | or? | 04:34 |
| \sh | my dear darling == mein teurer schatz :) | 04:34 |
| herve | DanielN, your orig.tar.gz is ok, I'd just say to "debuild -S" again | 04:34 |
| herve | \sh, I didn't want to be _that_ personal :-) | 04:34 |
| \sh | 7topic german lesson for free ;) | 04:35 |
| \sh | herve: hehehe | 04:35 |
| ivoks | \sh: ja, mein, aber in das liebe tier, er ist keine mine | 04:35 |
| \sh | herve: is it a friend, or just a formal letter? | 04:35 |
| ivoks | mein, not mine :) | 04:35 |
| herve | \sh, just to show off my german abilities | 04:35 |
| ivoks | es ist, nicht er ist | 04:35 |
| herve | (which turned out to be a failure, as you can guess) | 04:35 |
| ivoks | an, my deutch sucks... it's been a while :) | 04:35 |
| DanielN | herve: i've fixed your issues... | 04:36 |
| ivoks | "your"? | 04:36 |
| ivoks | DanielN: they were your issues :) | 04:36 |
| DanielN | ivoks: thanks ;) | 04:37 |
| DanielN | herve: without the error about the orig size | 04:37 |
| herve | hehe, | 04:37 |
| ivoks | bye for real now | 04:37 |
| herve | ivoks, you stole me the words :-) | 04:37 |
| herve | bye ivoks | 04:37 |
| herve | ++ | 04:37 |
| tseng | hi (for real) | 04:37 |
| herve | DanielN, I'll approve it then | 04:37 |
| DanielN | herve: ok | 04:38 |
| DanielN | :) | 04:38 |
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| === Micksa wonders if he's allowed in here | ||
| siretart | Micksa: hi! why do you think you were not allowed here? | 04:47 |
| Micksa | well I sorta read "Masters of the Universe" as "elite" | 04:47 |
| \sh | damn | 04:47 |
| Micksa | then I realised which universe it's about :) | 04:47 |
| \sh | need to go to office.. | 04:48 |
| === Micksa avoids making He-Man jokes | ||
| \sh | some radio services are not working :( | 04:48 |
| Micksa | (which I'm sure haven't been done yet) | 04:48 |
| siretart | ;) | 04:49 |
| Micksa | I gotta get my GPG key signed | 04:50 |
| siretart | Micksa: great! :) | 04:50 |
| Micksa | lifeless would be a good start, we live in the same suburb and I've known him for, like, 2 years no | 04:50 |
| Micksa | now | 04:50 |
| Micksa | but you know he would probably ask to see my license anyway | 04:50 |
| \sh | fck...off i go | 04:51 |
| siretart | does anyone heard about pdumpfs-rsync? | 04:51 |
| siretart | it is not installable in hoary, and I'm trying to locate the debian package (from debian) | 04:51 |
| Micksa | dammit, that joke was wasted on this channel :) | 04:55 |
| Micksa | remind me, what's the difference between universe and the packages in debian? | 04:58 |
| Mithrandir | they're modified to work on Ubuntu in the cases where ubuntu has switched to newer versions and such. | 04:59 |
| Micksa | are there any packages in universe not in debian? | 05:00 |
| Mithrandir | yes | 05:00 |
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| Micksa | is the modification generally automatic? | 05:02 |
| Mithrandir | no | 05:04 |
| siretart | Micksa: modification is handwork. http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/ shows you the difference to the debian packages | 05:09 |
| === Micksa doesn't envy this scott fellow | ||
| Riddell | \sh: cool | 05:11 |
| siretart | Micksa: well, he has good scripts ;) | 05:11 |
| Micksa | who did/does the majority of this handwork? | 05:12 |
| siretart | well, the motus handle the universe packages, the packages in main is up to the ubuntu developers | 05:13 |
| siretart | interessted in helping? ;) | 05:13 |
| Micksa | sorta | 05:14 |
| siretart | great! then you are perfectly right in this channel :) | 05:15 |
| Micksa | not RIGHT now :) | 05:15 |
| Micksa | I have an assignment due, um | 05:15 |
| Micksa | 3 days ago | 05:15 |
| Micksa | and another one due in 2 days | 05:15 |
| Micksa | and a job | 05:16 |
| Micksa | :) | 05:16 |
| Micksa | I am rather behind at the moment | 05:16 |
| Micksa | blame a dead laptop | 05:16 |
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| herve | yeah, a new "ubuntu forks" thread starting on debian-devel! | 05:48 |
| tseng | link please. | 05:48 |
| siretart | more spoons! :) | 05:50 |
| herve | lists.d.o doesn't list it yet | 05:50 |
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| herve | tseng: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/06/msg00327.html | 05:52 |
| tseng | AFAIK we have a joint plan on that front already | 05:52 |
| siretart | hey, ubuntu is sooo evil! | 05:52 |
| tseng | people should google before they throw mud around | 05:53 |
| siretart | tseng ++ | 05:53 |
| tseng | erm doko posted it right there | 05:53 |
| tseng | i dont understand why binary compatibility between ubuntu and debian has any relevance | 05:54 |
| tseng | we ship all their packages every 6 months | 05:54 |
| siretart | tseng: because that affects the traffic and rants on *-user mailing lists | 05:55 |
| === tseng ignores the uninformed. | ||
| herve | I don't imagine if we get a FUD everytime ubuntu does something before debian... | 05:55 |
| tseng | I don't have the patience for those folks. | 05:56 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: please, Joss is a moron and he's going to be shot down. | 05:58 |
| tseng | Mithrandir: rock on. | 05:58 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: that is, I just sent him a mail asking him to fuck off and check his facts before posting FUD. | 05:58 |
| tseng | :) | 05:58 |
| Mithrandir | (a bit more politely, but that was the essence of it) | 05:59 |
| tseng | ive just been sortof watching that spot in dismay since I started advocating that more MOTU work directly with Debian | 05:59 |
| Amaranth | malone is _still_ broken? | 05:59 |
| siretart | Mithrandir: thanks for your very appropriate answer | 05:59 |
| tseng | and I started seeing this silliness | 05:59 |
| tseng | Amaranth: eh, probably | 05:59 |
| Amaranth | it's been like that for about 3-4 days now :/ | 06:00 |
| tseng | well, its only a few more weeks until we are supposed to be replacing bugzilla | 06:00 |
| Amaranth | ha! | 06:00 |
| tseng | so anything that doesnt work you should be pretty actively telling bradb | 06:00 |
| Amaranth | there is a reason everyone uses bugzilla :) | 06:00 |
| tseng | yep.. | 06:00 |
| Amaranth | tseng: well, i'd file a bug but the bug reporter is down ;) | 06:01 |
| tseng | yeah he is in here sometimes | 06:01 |
| tseng | im sure he knows about major brokens, but in general. | 06:01 |
| Amaranth | well, the main bug page is down and when you file a bug you get an error, so i'd hope he knows | 06:02 |
| tseng | right | 06:02 |
| siretart | Joss is making it hard to follow the CoC... | 06:03 |
| tseng | siretart: heh, thats nothing. | 06:05 |
| herve | hard to follow the CoC, heh... | 06:15 |
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| AnHu | hello, yesterday a new version of GRAMPS was released (2.0.3) GRAMPS 1.0.8 is in the reposity. Can someone update this? You can find the source code on http://sourceforge.net/projects/gramps | 06:22 |
| herve | let me check | 06:26 |
| herve | hmm... 2.0.1 had a build failure | 06:27 |
| herve | AnHu, if I upgrade gramps further than debian does | 06:27 |
| herve | I will be accused of ruining Debian's business model :-p | 06:27 |
| herve | </private joke> | 06:27 |
| AnHu | OK ;-) But would make this job? | 06:28 |
| herve | I'm looking at it | 06:28 |
| herve | 1.0.8 you say? | 06:28 |
| === herve fool | ||
| herve | you're using hoary hedgehog? | 06:29 |
| AnHu | yes | 06:34 |
| herve | gramps won't receive any update unless there is a security alert | 06:34 |
| herve | or a very serious bug | 06:34 |
| herve | hoary has entered production stage now | 06:35 |
| Amaranth | it will be updated in breezy, when that releases | 06:35 |
| AnHu | ok, that means, there won't be many updates for hoary | 06:35 |
| AnHu | I had compiled it today, there aren't problems | 06:36 |
| zul | no there wont | 06:36 |
| herve | this is not the issue | 06:36 |
| AnHu | ok | 06:36 |
| herve | AnHu, if you already have it up for your system, that's the best I can do | 06:36 |
| AnHu | ok no problem. | 06:38 |
| herve | also, check with the backports team | 06:38 |
| herve | maybe they did it, or they will be interested by your work | 06:39 |
| AnHu | is there a project for actual hoary packages? Are this the backports? | 06:39 |
| herve | yes | 06:39 |
| herve | google will help you find them | 06:40 |
| herve | more than me, I mean :-) | 06:40 |
| AnHu | ok thanks | 06:41 |
| herve | why do I make the assumption that everyone is living dangerously using breezy... | 06:44 |
| herve | I even wonder if doko works for canonical... | 06:46 |
| doko | herve: I do | 06:46 |
| herve | hehe, you should be ashamed to work for a company working for debian ;-) | 06:47 |
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| AnHu | Ubuntu packages and Debian Sid package together make problems? I heard something about instability | 06:53 |
| tseng | its not a great idea | 06:53 |
| tseng | more inconsistancy than instability | 06:53 |
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| AnHu | can someone give me a good backport server address? | 06:59 |
| AnHu | Not too busy? | 06:59 |
| Amaranth | AnHu: the forums have a list of all of them | 06:59 |
| AnHu | ok I will see on it. | 07:00 |
| === siretart hates native packages for packages not debian native :/ | ||
| AnHu | thanks I find it. Have you the irc channel of the backports team? | 07:07 |
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| ivoks | hm... | 07:09 |
| ivoks | herve: that french guy... | 07:09 |
| herve | hehe | 07:09 |
| herve | yes I know :-) | 07:09 |
| ivoks | did you saw his post on list?! | 07:09 |
| herve | he plays the moron | 07:09 |
| ivoks | he will hear me now... | 07:09 |
| ivoks | this is too much... | 07:09 |
| herve | easy | 07:10 |
| ivoks | it's time to start showing some names on that list.. | 07:10 |
| herve | remember the CoC | 07:10 |
| ivoks | i know :) | 07:10 |
| ivoks | don't wory | 07:10 |
| ivoks | eh :) | 07:15 |
| DanielN | hi ivoks my little reviewer ;) | 07:16 |
| ivoks | so, debian is going for g++4 too? | 07:18 |
| ivoks | hi DanielN | 07:19 |
| herve | ivoks, obviously | 07:20 |
| herve | I'm sure doko planned it months ago | 07:20 |
| ivoks | yeah.. | 07:22 |
| ivoks | that's not something you pop-up over night | 07:22 |
| ivoks | ok, replyed... | 07:25 |
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| ivoks | this is going in wrong direction | 07:25 |
| ivoks | what to say... | 07:26 |
| ivoks | i asked him does he wants patches for 4.0 | 07:26 |
| ivoks | and does he want me to help him with new package | 07:26 |
| ivoks | and now he talks that no one contacted DDs for cooperation | 07:26 |
| ivoks | hehe :) | 07:26 |
| ivoks | world is strange place :) | 07:27 |
| herve | yeah, like I never send patches to a DD and he never merged them | 07:27 |
| === herve gazes at dia | ||
| ivoks | the point is MOTU would be more efficient if we cooperate with debian | 07:28 |
| ivoks | cause our number is... SMALL :) | 07:28 |
| JDahl | will Debian start using gcc4.0? I thought Debian was too conservative for that | 07:29 |
| ivoks | JDahl: it will, but it will take some time... | 07:30 |
| ivoks | debian isn't conservative | 07:30 |
| ivoks | it's just too big :) | 07:30 |
| ivoks | what's vancouver project? | 07:32 |
| Amaranth | vancouver proposal | 07:36 |
| Amaranth | basically don't hold back etch for non-main archs | 07:37 |
| siretart | the proposal sets criteria for archs for beeing released by the debian release team. for all other archs the porter teams would have to do releases for themselves | 07:38 |
| === siretart just got a real shock | ||
| ivoks | it was about time | 07:38 |
| siretart | the slapd upgrade in sarge didn't go well. it killed all data. had to restore backups.. | 07:39 |
| ivoks | happend to me once | 07:40 |
| ivoks | lol, once :) couple of times | 07:40 |
| ivoks | but that wasn't sarge's problem | 07:40 |
| siretart | does anyone of you happen to have a breezy on amd64? | 07:43 |
| siretart | would please anyone of you try to build http://siretart.tauware.de/ubuntu-packages/mas/mas_0.6.2-2ubuntu1.dsc and tell me if it FTBFS? | 07:43 |
| ivoks | sec... | 07:44 |
| ivoks | do you have patch? | 07:45 |
| ivoks | i don't have debdiff on amd64 | 07:45 |
| siretart | ivoks: I uploaded the debdiff | 07:45 |
| siretart | ivoks: and it is a native package :( | 07:46 |
| ivoks | ? | 07:47 |
| ivoks | mas_0.6.2-2.dsc | 07:47 |
| ivoks | i have only this | 07:47 |
| siretart | ah, the rest is in the same directory: | 07:47 |
| siretart | http://siretart.tauware.de/ubuntu-packages/mas/ | 07:47 |
| siretart | is the source http://siretart.tauware.de/ubuntu-packages/mas/mas_0.6.2-2ubuntu1.tar.gz | 07:47 |
| ivoks | ahaaa | 07:48 |
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| DanielN | ivoks | 07:50 |
| DanielN | you're the one from croatia, right? | 07:50 |
| ivoks | siretart: -p4 man :)) | 07:51 |
| ivoks | DanielN: yes | 07:51 |
| DanielN | :) | 07:51 |
| DanielN | AnteKaramatic? | 07:51 |
| ivoks | yes | 07:51 |
| DanielN | ok, i'm learning the names and put it togheter with the suitable irc nick :) | 07:51 |
| ivoks | siretart: sorry, i don't have all build-deps | 07:51 |
| ivoks | Mithrandir: ping | 07:53 |
| siretart | in breezy? | 07:53 |
| ivoks | siretart: on this amd64 | 07:53 |
| ivoks | it's not mine | 07:53 |
| siretart | ah, ok | 07:54 |
| Seveas | any #ubuntu ops here? | 07:59 |
| Seveas | we need one desperately | 07:59 |
| ivoks | guy is k-lined :) | 08:00 |
| schweeb | Seveas: look for an IRC op | 08:08 |
| schweeb | lilo or someone | 08:08 |
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| ivoks | ah... time to go | 08:20 |
| ivoks | uhh.... nice post | 08:22 |
| ivoks | herve did you read it? | 08:22 |
| ivoks | from eduard bloch | 08:22 |
| \sh | jesus | 08:22 |
| \sh | why did i subscribe to debian-devel? | 08:23 |
| \sh | ah yes | 08:23 |
| \sh | IVOKS ! | 08:23 |
| \sh | ;) | 08:23 |
| \sh | because of u i subscribed to it | 08:23 |
| ivoks | :) | 08:24 |
| \sh | ivoks: u read the thread about cxx transition for sarge+1? | 08:24 |
| ivoks | why? i didn't told you to do that | 08:24 |
| ivoks | \sh: yes | 08:24 |
| ivoks | why? :) | 08:26 |
| herve | ivoks, do I *really* need to follow the thread? | 08:26 |
| herve | I usually get bored after the second or third answer :-) | 08:26 |
| ivoks | :) | 08:27 |
| ivoks | herve: well, it's a debian guy attacking debian :) | 08:27 |
| \sh | ivoks: because it's boring ;) | 08:27 |
| \sh | and annoying | 08:28 |
| \sh | to grown up people | 08:28 |
| \sh | one of the statements it's really near to reality: | 08:28 |
| \sh | Eduard Bloch: | 08:28 |
| \sh | Really? IMO it is exactly the lack of authority and strong top | 08:28 |
| \sh | management that has lead us into the current situation. | 08:28 |
| \sh | Source: Message-ID: <20050605181335.GA22200@debian> | 08:29 |
| ivoks | yeah | 08:29 |
| ivoks | that's the one i'm talking about :) | 08:29 |
| herve | one of the reasons I don't want to be a DD anymore | 08:29 |
| herve | I don't have time to lose into this | 08:29 |
| \sh | hehe... | 08:35 |
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| siretart | is there a g77-4.0? | 08:42 |
| \sh | no | 08:43 |
| \sh | what lib or app? | 08:43 |
| \sh | i have a problem with the new upstream package of gnuradio ;) | 08:44 |
| herve | how surprising :-) | 08:44 |
| \sh | g77-3.4 is the one in the repos | 08:44 |
| tseng | why would someone be writing a radio app in fortran | 08:44 |
| \sh | herve: but I red it's an upstream bug | 08:44 |
| \sh | tseng: it's one part of the package...for frequency stuff ;) | 08:45 |
| \sh | s/red/read/ (read in past tense) | 08:45 |
| siretart | ah | 08:46 |
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| mgalvin | hi all | 09:11 |
| \sh | hi mgalvin | 09:12 |
| herve | hi | 09:15 |
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| \sh | gaga...this is the second time i help one debian devel ;) | 09:43 |
| \sh | I'm good today | 09:44 |
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| siretart | waah, the terror continues.. | 09:47 |
| \sh | haaha | 09:48 |
| \sh | which terror? | 09:54 |
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| [Chameleon] | anyone available to consult with me on an error I'm getting compiling Mono 1.1.7 on Ubuntu/AMD64? | 09:57 |
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| tseng | [Chameleon] : ask me -> | 09:58 |
| siretart | \sh: these paranoid threads on debian-devel | 09:58 |
| \sh | siretart: yeah :) | 09:59 |
| [Chameleon] | tseng: make[4] : Entering directory `/home/paul/mono/mono-1.1.7/mono/mini' | 09:59 |
| [Chameleon] | ... | 09:59 |
| [Chameleon] | mini-amd64.c: In function `merge_argument_class_from_type': | 09:59 |
| [Chameleon] | mini-amd64.c:239: warning: `class2' might be used uninitialized in this function | 09:59 |
| [Chameleon] | mini-amd64.c: In function `mono_arch_output_basic_block': | 10:00 |
| [Chameleon] | mini-amd64.c:4915: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault | 10:00 |
| tseng | are you building from source? | 10:00 |
| [Chameleon] | tseng: yes. | 10:00 |
| tseng | why? | 10:00 |
| [Chameleon] | tseng: mono 1.1.7 is unavailable for AMD64 | 10:00 |
| [Chameleon] | at least, I haven't found it | 10:00 |
| [Chameleon] | tseng: I believe we talked over email about this | 10:00 |
| tseng | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/m/mono/1.1.7-0ubuntu5/mono_1.1.7-0ubuntu5_20050528-2216-amd64-successful.gz | 10:00 |
| tseng | oh you are the backport guy. | 10:01 |
| tseng | so should at the ver least be building from the source packages | 10:02 |
| tseng | and not straight from the tarball | 10:02 |
| [Chameleon] | I am | 10:02 |
| [Chameleon] | hmm | 10:02 |
| [Chameleon] | ok | 10:02 |
| tseng | apt-get source mono from breezy deb-src | 10:03 |
| tseng | but i think i mentioned before I in no way support that | 10:03 |
| [Chameleon] | so the only way is to get the source from the breezy repo? | 10:04 |
| [Chameleon] | I mean, obviously not the only way, but the best way? | 10:04 |
| tseng | i have no idea if that works or not | 10:04 |
| [Chameleon] | :( | 10:04 |
| tseng | I have plenty of work to do getting things ready for the next release | 10:04 |
| tseng | w/o helping everyone who wants to build their own crack on the previous release | 10:05 |
| [Chameleon] | tseng: sorry to bother you | 10:05 |
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| tseng | np, sorry to bear bad news. | 10:05 |
| tseng | we just cant work backwards. | 10:05 |
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| [Chameleon] | yeah | 10:05 |
| [Chameleon] | tseng: so this log file you sent me showing success was under Breezy? | 10:07 |
| tseng | yes. | 10:07 |
| [Chameleon] | tseng: is Breezy still a mine field or is it mostly usable at this point? | 10:07 |
| tseng | its usuable this week | 10:07 |
| [Chameleon] | :> | 10:07 |
| tseng | I cant speak for next week :P | 10:07 |
| [Chameleon] | yeah | 10:07 |
| [Chameleon] | can you approximate when a beta might be available? | 10:08 |
| [Chameleon] | Oct is release, right? | 10:08 |
| tseng | yes | 10:08 |
| tseng | so 3 or 4 months for fairly solid test builds I guess | 10:08 |
| [Chameleon] | so, a beta might be available a month or two before? | 10:08 |
| [Chameleon] | yeah | 10:08 |
| [Chameleon] | hmm | 10:08 |
| \sh | ok...time to go to bed | 10:16 |
| herve | hehe \sh | 10:17 |
| herve | I wondered wether you ever sleep :-) | 10:17 |
| \sh | herve: did u know? I'm ogra's clone;) | 10:18 |
| \sh | *yawn* I'm off | 10:19 |
| siretart | gn8 \sh | 10:19 |
| herve | \sh, I'm more concerned about doko's sleep :-) | 10:20 |
| herve | night by the way | 10:21 |
| zyga | hello | 10:23 |
| zyga | could anyone point me to mplayer packager? | 10:24 |
| herve | package or maintaner? | 10:24 |
| zyga | packager | 10:24 |
| zyga | the person that actually makes the package we get | 10:25 |
| herve | er... | 10:25 |
| herve | I guess it's a debian folk | 10:25 |
| herve | s/it/he | 10:25 |
| zyga | I've tried to contact the maitainer but he does not package mplayer | 10:25 |
| herve | hrm... isn't mplayer a native package... folks? | 10:25 |
| zyga | (dpkg-deb -I ...) | 10:25 |
| zyga | anyway | 10:25 |
| zyga | I've got a patch for RTC support | 10:26 |
| zyga | and no idea who to send it to | 10:26 |
| herve | so you should contact mplayer authors | 10:26 |
| zyga | herve: they don't care about mplayer.deb for ubuntu | 10:26 |
| herve | hmm, you lost me | 10:27 |
| zyga | herve: I've created a trivial init.d script | 10:27 |
| herve | you have a patch for mplayer, right? | 10:27 |
| zyga | no | 10:27 |
| herve | mplayer needing init.d? | 10:27 |
| zyga | I've got a patch for the .deb | 10:27 |
| herve | ha ok | 10:27 |
| zyga | herve: yup - for RTC | 10:27 |
| herve | well, I can't really figure it out | 10:28 |
| herve | but see with marillat@debian.org | 10:28 |
| zyga | I did | 10:28 |
| zyga | he has nothing to do with it ;-) | 10:28 |
| herve | what did he say exactly? | 10:28 |
| zyga | > FYI You are listed in the package as a maintainer. | 10:29 |
| zyga | I know. Ubuntus are packaging my unofficial packages. | 10:29 |
| zyga | > is my message, rest is his reply | 10:29 |
| herve | maybe you asked the wrong question. :-) | 10:30 |
| zyga | I've sent him the patch and asked if he would include it | 10:30 |
| herve | we have made his packages entering Ubuntu | 10:30 |
| herve | it's not like we did his job | 10:30 |
| zyga | he said he is not debian/ubuntu maintainer | 10:30 |
| herve | erm... I'm puzzled | 10:30 |
| zyga | as am I ;] | 10:31 |
| herve | let me inspect | 10:31 |
| zyga | (mplayer-custom is broken, mplayer-nogui is slow as hell (tm), so I build mplayer myself but the script could be included) | 10:31 |
| zyga | included with officially added unofficial debs | 10:32 |
| herve | mplayer runs fine at mine | 10:32 |
| mitsuhiko | same for me | 10:32 |
| herve | I wonder what happened in Christian's head | 10:32 |
| zyga | mplayer-custom dies on illegal instruction | 10:32 |
| herve | those french debian developers... :-) | 10:33 |
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| herve | I don't use -custom but -586 | 10:33 |
| zyga | other mplayers run fine but 50-80% slower than simple build of mplayerhq.he tarball | 10:33 |
| zyga | I've got k7 | 10:33 |
| tseng | k7 is not 586? | 10:33 |
| zyga | tseng: vector ops are different - right? | 10:34 |
| tseng | dunno. | 10:34 |
| tseng | why i asked :P | 10:34 |
| mitsuhiko | think so | 10:34 |
| zyga | (and mplayer is the only app I could think of that really use them on desktop) | 10:34 |
| zyga | amd has 3dnow, indek has sse | 10:35 |
| zyga | intel :) | 10:35 |
| herve | zyga, send your patch at hcauwelier@oursours.net | 10:35 |
| herve | I'll talk with marillat | 10:36 |
| zyga | herve: it's online at http://www.suxx.pl/mplayer | 10:36 |
| zyga | herve: It still needs to fail gracefuly | 10:36 |
| herve | ok, noted | 10:36 |
| zyga | herve: now it works or keeps silent | 10:36 |
| herve | but is it needed? | 10:37 |
| zyga | herve: who's email is that, yours? | 10:37 |
| herve | yes, mine | 10:37 |
| zyga | herve: it makes syncing audio and video possible on my box (and all other boxes I use) | 10:37 |
| zyga | herve: otherwise audio slowly becomes out of sync | 10:38 |
| zyga | herve: mplayer barks about it | 10:38 |
| zyga | herve: just run from command line and see | 10:38 |
| zyga | herve: (set rtc to 64 for example) | 10:38 |
| herve | yes but I mean | 10:39 |
| herve | it affects the whole system | 10:39 |
| herve | it could be useful for other needs | 10:39 |
| herve | or gravely affects some applications | 10:39 |
| zyga | herve: I know none other but I welcome information | 10:39 |
| chris` | Sodele.. bin pennen n8 all :) | 10:39 |
| zyga | herve: this is maximum user settable frequency | 10:39 |
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| zyga | I doubt that could break apps if it's higher | 10:40 |
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| zyga | I trust mplayer devs | 10:41 |
| zyga | If they tell me to switch it to 1024 I do | 10:41 |
| zyga | I use it for a few years and had no problems but then again this is a desktop - not a server | 10:42 |
| herve | another clue | 10:43 |
| herve | so you asked them or read to set this setting to 1024? | 10:43 |
| zyga | herve: mplayer prints this message: | 10:43 |
| zyga | (wait) | 10:43 |
| mitsuhiko | zyga: Is this a custom patch or is it included in the new mplayer version? | 10:44 |
| zyga | Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied | 10:44 |
| zyga | Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts. | 10:44 |
| zyga | mitsuhiko: that message has been in mplayer source code for a long time | 10:44 |
| zyga | mitsuhiko: the patch I speak of does not alter mplayer - just the package | 10:45 |
| herve | zyga, I can't answer you know | 10:45 |
| zyga | mitsuhiko: it simply does that: adds echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq | 10:46 |
| herve | I'll ask Marillat why he pretends he's not the maintainer | 10:46 |
| mitsuhiko | zyga: I see. You want to include a init stract that does this line | 10:46 |
| zyga | herve: okay | 10:46 |
| zyga | mitsuhiko: exactly, It's online if anyone is interested | 10:46 |
| herve | and I'll ask #u-d folks about setting it by default in ubuntu | 10:46 |
| zyga | thanks | 10:47 |
| mitsuhiko | can there occour a problem on some boxes? | 10:48 |
| mitsuhiko | by setting this to 1024? | 10:48 |
| zyga | mitsuhiko: I have no ide - it never happened to me | 10:48 |
| zyga | mitsuhiko: tested on amd64, i386 both intel and amd | 10:49 |
| mitsuhiko | i will try goole ;) | 10:49 |
| zyga | good idea | 10:49 |
| zyga | not tested on ppc due to ENOPPC | 10:49 |
| tseng | i bang my head on ENOPPC a bit | 10:50 |
| zyga | :-) | 10:50 |
| mitsuhiko | hey. I've found someting | 10:50 |
| mitsuhiko | mplayer can use 3 methods to sync video and audio | 10:50 |
| mitsuhiko | 1.) old internal usleep() | 10:50 |
| mitsuhiko | which is not the best one | 10:51 |
| mitsuhiko | 2.) RTC -> there you have to do echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq | 10:51 |
| tseng | so hang on | 10:51 |
| mitsuhiko | 3.) run mplayer with -softsleep | 10:51 |
| tseng | you kids all want to make an initscript to set a sysctl? | 10:51 |
| mitsuhiko | ok. i've found the problem of method 2 | 10:52 |
| tseng | did you consider /etc/sysctl.conf? | 10:52 |
| zyga | tseng: :-> | 10:53 |
| mitsuhiko | some notebooks with speedstep will get problems when /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq is greater than 64 | 10:53 |
| tseng | i didnt say just throw it in there | 10:53 |
| zyga | tseng: as you might have noticed IANA debian/ubuntu developer | 10:53 |
| tseng | i mean document it so that users who want it can add the line | 10:53 |
| mitsuhiko | selflinux.org recommends method 3 | 10:54 |
| tseng | having sysctl settings in an init script seems very odd | 10:54 |
| tseng | to me at least. | 10:54 |
| zyga | softsleep will eat cpu | 10:54 |
| zyga | I did not know about laptop problems | 10:54 |
| zyga | I dont have any centrino cpus :/ | 10:55 |
| mitsuhiko | tseng, yes a init script for this small line is not the best idea | 10:55 |
| mitsuhiko | but me | 10:55 |
| zyga | I had no idea how to do that better ;-) | 10:55 |
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| mitsuhiko | zyga: Yes softsleep eats cpu power but on centrino notebooks it should be the best way | 10:55 |
| tseng | so can you guys document this somewhere? | 10:56 |
| tseng | and decide on a sane default | 10:56 |
| zyga | mitsuhiko: did you learn what kind of problems exactly? | 10:56 |
| zyga | tseng: I'm happy either way - I dont have centrinos and this is a very usefull addition | 10:57 |
| zyga | (for me personally) | 10:57 |
| mitsuhiko | zyga: if you understand german, here is the list: http://www.selflinux.org/selflinux-devel/html/mplayer05.html | 10:57 |
| zyga | mitsuhiko: a bit - I'll try | 10:57 |
| mitsuhiko | ok. bed calls, i will go | 10:58 |
| mitsuhiko | wish you a good night | 10:58 |
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| zyga | http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.selflinux.org%2Fselflinux-devel%2Fhtml%2Fmplayer05.html&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8 | 10:59 |
| zyga | what would I do without google? :P | 10:59 |
| mitsuhiko`sleep | you would try astalavista | 10:59 |
| zyga | ;-) | 10:59 |
| zyga | darn the relevant part is not translated | 10:59 |
| mitsuhiko`sleep | rofl | 11:00 |
| zyga | hey - it's beta ;-) | 11:00 |
| herve | zyga, I sent a mail to marillat explaining the situation | 11:00 |
| zyga | as everything these days ;] | 11:00 |
| zyga | herve: great | 11:00 |
| lsuactiafner | zyga : while on the subject tell him to make a static 32bit binary compiled for athlon-4 so that ppl can play the wmv with the 32bit codec | 11:04 |
| lsuactiafner | on 64bit systems | 11:04 |
| zyga | lsuactiafner: I don't talk to him anymore - I'll wait for his reply to herve's mail | 11:05 |
| lsuactiafner | heh | 11:05 |
| lsuactiafner | he didnt respond to me so i just figured i was annoyhin him | 11:06 |
| zyga | lsuactiafner: build it yourself - it's not that difficult I guess | 11:07 |
| lsuactiafner | zyga : i did | 11:07 |
| lsuactiafner | problem is there are several thousand ppl out there unable to view wmv | 11:07 |
| tseng | im not sure that "problem" is relevant to ubuntu | 11:08 |
| tseng | we cant do much about proprietary codecs, much less on alternative architectures | 11:08 |
| zyga | I'd rather see that wmv is just a lucky trick | 11:08 |
| zyga | or wait untill someone cracks wmp for windows xp 64 | 11:08 |
| tseng | if it werent for w32codecs crack, people would actually be petitioning sites to use theora | 11:09 |
| zyga | tseng: I doubt it | 11:10 |
| lsuactiafner | ummm | 11:10 |
| Amaranth | jlj has wmv3 working on vlc | 11:10 |
| zyga | tseng: I could count people that understand what a codec is on one hand | 11:10 |
| Amaranth | i need to kick him in the pants and make him commit it to cvs | 11:10 |
| lsuactiafner | tseng : it is revelant to ubuntu, mplayer for 32bit systems i suppose cna play wmv with the correct codecs | 11:10 |
| lsuactiafner | on 64bit systems mplayer-amd64 cant play wmv even witht he correct codecs. | 11:11 |
| zyga | lsuactiafner: win32 codecs are probably illegal | 11:11 |
| tseng | probably? | 11:11 |
| tseng | definately | 11:11 |
| tseng | there is 0 distributability | 11:11 |
| lsuactiafner | yeh but i dont care if its legal | 11:11 |
| zyga | tseng: depending on your location | 11:11 |
| zyga | tseng: ;-) think china | 11:11 |
| zyga | tseng: think kuba | 11:11 |
| zyga | :> | 11:11 |
| lsuactiafner | i live in south-africa and my vice-president steals millions, proven in court and nothing is done about it | 11:12 |
| lsuactiafner | he doesnt even have the decency to leave his office | 11:12 |
| Amaranth | lsuactiafner: I +q'ed you in #ubuntu for talking about this stuff, don't do it here too. | 11:12 |
| lsuactiafner | no way the authorities will care if i opened up @ winxp cd factory | 11:12 |
| zyga | ubuntu does not like to be like your vice president | 11:12 |
| lsuactiafner | oh yes | 11:13 |
| lsuactiafner | just saying a 32bit binary is needed for ppl who want to break the law and live on the edge | 11:13 |
| lsuactiafner | static binary tho | 11:13 |
| Amaranth | most of those people don't _want_ to, they don't know | 11:14 |
| Amaranth | 2 or 3 people flipped when i said w32codecs was illegal | 11:14 |
| zyga | Amaranth: it could probably be made tiny bit more legal if someone had a legal windows copy | 11:15 |
| zyga | Amaranth: and the law permits him to break certain eula parts | 11:15 |
| tseng | well then you can go and talk to marillat | 11:15 |
| lsuactiafner | is there a way to disable a certain package by default in apt-get | 11:15 |
| zyga | Amaranth: *and* mplayer would distribute a program that would simply hack those libs | 11:16 |
| zyga | Amaranth: then it could be said that the user dit this himself | 11:16 |
| lsuactiafner | mplayer32 would be like mplayer64 just with static -vo libs totally seperate from the codecs | 11:16 |
| zyga | Amaranth: no redistribution | 11:16 |
| lsuactiafner | under ftp://ftp.puk.ac.za/outgoing/ there is a copy of mplayer32 static that several ppl have benifited from | 11:17 |
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| tseng | Amaranth++ | 11:20 |
| herve | I don't have the courage to read what I missed | 11:20 |
| herve | but just one thing | 11:21 |
| tseng | herve: im gripping my chair. | 11:21 |
| herve | lsuactiafner, about 32-bit static on 64-bit architectures | 11:21 |
| herve | lsuactiafner, I believe those 64-bit compiles were added by ubuntu developers | 11:21 |
| herve | so you should ask on #u-d | 11:21 |
| lsuactiafner | Amaranth : i have both binaries installed so that i can play wmv also | 11:21 |
| herve | tseng, sometimes you answer so strange expressions :-) | 11:22 |
| herve | night all | 11:22 |
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