=== ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-1214.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:08] ? [12:12] dholbach see addicted to making new packages :-) [12:14] <\sh> hehe [12:14] s/see/seems [12:18] :) [12:22] good nicht all [12:22] night [12:22] argh [12:22] night [12:22] <\sh> cu DanielN === DanielN [~KodiaK@162.23.4.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:24] hm... [12:24] lots of new goodies in breezy :) [12:29] <\sh> now it goes...python-kde3 is coming...can u here it? [12:31] I like reading the english mistakes of german people [12:31] it helps me understand the german pronounciation :-) [12:32] <\sh> yeahme to [12:32] <\sh> hear ;) [12:32] i love users [12:32] :) [12:32] <\sh> i'm thinking to fast , faster then I can move my fingers ;) [12:32] that and ogra always saying "then" when he means "then" [12:32] one of them sent me a translation for smeg and another actually wrote the translation code for me [12:32] quite many germans people do the same mistake [12:33] the code to generate pot files and compile conversions and etc [12:33] Amaranth, yes, I'm managing a project at this time [12:33] I'm the user/developer wanting to push the project further :-) [12:33] Amaranth, gettext? [12:33] don't suppose any of you know how to deal with translations and .desktop files [12:34] xgettext, yeah [12:34] <\sh> shermann@shermann-laptop:~/downloads$ w [12:34] <\sh> 00:34:04 up 9:34, 4 users, load average: 7,11, 4,72, 3,35 [12:34] <\sh> hmmm [12:34] i mean, i know you do Name[de] =whatever but is there a way to use gettext and etc to generate that for you? [12:34] <\sh> my laptop is melting ;) [12:34] not that I know [12:35] \sh, try as I do, place an usb fan towards it :-) [12:35] ok, i'll just have to take patches against the .desktop files [12:35] (a usb...) [12:35] <\sh> herve: hahaha :) [12:35] <\sh> an usb is correct ;) [12:35] <\sh> herve: there is no place anymore for an usb fan :) [12:35] no, "u" sounds like a consomn (?) [12:35] so "a" is needed [12:36] unless you pronounce it as "ou" of course :-) [12:37] <\sh> i thought [uiao] needs an "an" ;) [12:37] <\sh> think i need another holiday in an anglosaxxon country ;) [12:38] it depends on how the pronounciation of the word begins [12:38] pronouncing "i" is a mess in english === lamont [~lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:38] there are like three ways to pronounce it [12:38] quantlib looks to be a dpkg-architecture victim [12:38] depending on the origin of the word, etc. [12:39] hi lamont [12:39] <\sh> herve: so it's an ubuntu linux, but a usb fan? [12:39] I think so [12:39] it's "oubountou", not "ioubountou" [12:40] one could argue an USB, or a USB... [12:40] but my english skills are melting like ice [12:40] <\sh> or an universal serial bus ;) [12:40] but given that USB is generally pronounced by stating the 3 letters, and the named letter U doesn't start with a vowel..... [12:40] \sh, no, "iouniversal" ;() [12:40] herve: an universe [12:41] you teach me that one [12:41] <\sh> i pronounce it "younevercal" ,-) [12:41] junivers [12:41] no, sounds strange to me [12:42] <\sh> 7topic MOTU english lessons, please join and listen === lamont shrugs. note that american is not english, either [12:42] \sh, python-kde3 still hasn't reach my mailbox [12:43] <\sh> herve: it compiles :) [12:43] repeat after me, "the cat is driving the car" [12:43] \sh, at yours or the buildd? I mean I have not seen any announce on breezy-changes [12:43] <\sh> "the car is catching the cat" [12:43] <\sh> herve: at mine [12:44] that's why I can't hear it then [12:44] we're too far away from each other! [12:44] <\sh> herve: not too far away ..:) [12:44] well, like 10 hours of train [12:44] and something like 800 km for a bird [12:45] for a european swallow (?) I mean [12:45] not carrying any coconut [12:47] <\sh> hmm...coconut [12:52] <\sh> g'night gentlemen...\sh is off to bed [12:52] night [12:52] night [12:53] I won't be long either [12:53] just by the time I file another dozen bugs :-) [12:58] night itou [01:14] is the new X safe? [01:16] who broke my GUI? ;) [01:16] fess up [01:18] you GUI? [01:18] your [01:19] yes, the one installed on my computer [01:19] hence is is *mine* [01:19] muwaahahahaha [01:20] um, anyway...carry on [01:53] Amaranth: works for me [01:54] most working breezy xorg to date [01:54] tseng: good, because i already upgraded [01:55] heh [01:59] hi [01:59] hi ajmitch [02:10] where should I report 'universe' bugs in breezy? [02:11] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ ? or is there somewhere separate? [02:12] launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone [02:12] wow, really? [02:14] how would I know to use that site instead of the regular bugzilla? is there a webpage somewhere? or how? [02:14] dooglus: would I tell you a lie? :) [02:15] have a look in the channel topic [02:17] ajmitch: I believe you, but if I hadn't stumbled upon this channel (and it does have quite an odd name) then I would have submitted the bug to bugzilla.u.c... and it wouldn't have told me not to [02:18] yes, and it's listed on the wiki as well, I believe [02:18] what about bugs in main for breezy? where do they go? [02:18] bugzilla [02:18] and bugs in main for hoary? [02:18] bugzilla [02:19] is there a field that I can use to speficy whether the bug shows up in hoary or breezy? [02:19] probably write in the comment [02:20] ajmitch: ok, fine. thanks. [02:21] I just noticed. if I go to bugzilla and try to 'add a bug', it offers a link to launchpad for 'ubuntu universe' bugs... [02:21] however, it's right at the end, and the 3rd link was to bugzilla, and that's apparently for "any issues with anything distributed as part of Ubuntu". [02:22] perhaps that message should be clearer - is 'universe' part of ubuntu or not? it's not clear. [02:23] perhaps you could file a bug about it in bugzilla? :) [02:30] heh, funny you should say that... [02:30] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11488 === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-201-086.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [~jaldhar@pcp09354467pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:50] ajmitch: does launchpad work? [02:50] I just tried using it to report a bug and got a 'system error' [02:53] "Big bugs have little bugs upon their backs to bite 'em; [02:53] Little bugs have smaller bugs, and so on, ad infinitum." [02:58] oh yeah, malone was broken last time i tried [02:59] ugh. [03:25] malone has issues [04:04] hi [04:10] does anyone have and adm8211 based card? [04:11] i want to see if it has sysfs support? === rem__ [~rem@adsl-249-172-zh2.tiscali.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:42] asedriveiiie needs gcc-4.0 liove [05:42] love, even [05:42] and kxl needs xorg love [05:43] hk-classes: g++-4.0 love [05:44] raidutils, schooltool: g++-4.0 [05:44] giblib: xorg [05:44] libast: gcc-4.0 [05:45] allegro4: gcc-4.0 [05:52] db2: gcc-4.0 [05:57] g'night all === JDahl [~qwerty@ca-stmnca-cuda4-gen2m1-135.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:28] <\sh> morning [08:31] <\sh> python-kde3 upload now === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-1523.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Danten [~danten@h50n8c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:46] <\sh> Riddell: ping [10:09] pong :) [10:11] <\sh> lol [10:16] Mithrandir: ping [10:16] ivoks: yes? [10:16] Mithrandir: i have two requests :) [10:17] Mithrandir: mpich and lam4-dev [10:17] done [10:17] thank you [10:17] np [10:18] it's great to be member of this great team [10:19] if I can do anything for you guys, just ask [10:19] <\sh> http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/shermannpics/events/ish_buddies_20050602/?g2_navId=x6e802011 [10:19] <\sh> the best cable tv engineers in cologne, germany :) [10:29] <\sh> strike [10:29] <\sh> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/p/python-kde3/3.11.4+snapshot20050316-0ubuntu2/ [10:29] <\sh> Riddell: u can test python-kde3 ;) === SquishyWaffle [~gtaylor@24-158-64-173.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:08] ajmitch: ping [11:09] ajmitch: BIG PING :) [11:09] ajmitch: < fabbione> ivoks: the patch isn't extremely bad.. if you can get people to work on userland, i can consider patching the kernel [11:10] ivoks: waz dat fir> [11:10] for [11:10] Greetings, I just stumbled my way through creating my first package :) [11:11] Lathiat: layer7 filtering [11:11] ivoks: specifics? [11:11] Lathiat: firewall that would filter traffic based on protocol, not ports [11:12] ivoks: sounds cpu intensive :) [11:12] Lathiat: so you would say, HTTP OK, FTP NOTOK [11:12] Lathiat: it isn't that much... [11:12] i filter 300 computers with that... [11:12] ivoks: but does it do it on like every packet [11:12] ivoks: or like start of connection [11:12] Lathiat: http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/technicaldetails [11:13] it checks only first package [11:13] packet :) [11:13] ivoks: ah, sounds cool [11:14] ivoks: but i mean like, a bit of data needs to pass for these things, does it just rudely reset it if none of it matches? [11:14] Lathiat: it isn't that cpu intensive [11:14] it's quite nice [11:14] ivoks: or does it just listen to both sides before passing any data [11:14] ivoks: because assumedly one side will send something first [11:14] ? [11:15] Lathiat: you define will you be allowed to establish connection [11:15] so.. it's posibble to ban all incoming HTTP requests [11:15] but you will be able to establish any HTTP connection outside [11:15] like normal netfilter [11:16] <\sh> ivoks: this is not new [11:16] acctually, this is just a appendix for netfilter :) [11:16] \sh: of course it's not new :) [11:16] \sh: but tell me, how would you ban any HTTP request on local maching from outside? [11:17] <\sh> ivoks: securecomputing sidewinder [11:17] you can't do that with netfilter the way it is now [11:17] lol [11:18] <\sh> ivoks: no joke...most of beautiful things of securecomputing is in there :) [11:19] \sh: but you aren't telling me that everyone should buy sidewinder, aren't you? :) [11:19] <\sh> ivoks: and I'm trained on it [11:19] and it isn't free [11:19] :) [11:20] so, it's uselss to us [11:20] like UNIX :)( [11:21] <\sh> ivoks: the problem is, in a company I can't come with a solution for highsec and tell them: "hey, use this one, it's free, nobody give u a garanty or warranty, but it's working" [11:23] \sh: i'm not telling about company [11:23] \sh: i'm talking about home users [11:23] <\sh> ivoks: does a home user need really layer7 filtering? [11:23] \sh: i would say, yes [11:24] <\sh> does a homeuser knows what layer7 filtering is? [11:24] he doesn't need to know that he's using that [11:24] home user wants "i want HTTP" "I want P2P [11:24] <\sh> so we should make the same mistake like ms? [11:24] but i don't want "that an that" [11:24] ? [11:25] <\sh> telling the user that he can secure himself, without a clue what he's doing? [11:25] \sh: not without a clue [11:25] <\sh> ivoks: most normal home users haven't any clue...this is the pitfall in MS thinking [11:25] but home user doesn't want to know anything about iptables [11:26] <\sh> ivoks: no, they want to have things like firestarter, or "personal firewalls" [11:26] he just wants to work [11:26] right [11:26] <\sh> so a normal iptables packet filter does it for u. most propably he's using the packetfilter on his dsl router [11:26] <\sh> he doesn't need layer7 filtering [11:26] <\sh> but [11:26] \sh: normal netfilter does not do it right [11:27] you can't block fasttrack and allow http with netfilter [11:27] without going to layer 7 [11:27] they use same ports (80) [11:27] <\sh> a enterprise edition of * Linux for ISPs or SOHOs they need layer7 and more :) [11:28] <\sh> whatever fasttrack is ;) [11:28] \sh: p2p network [11:28] <\sh> hmm........ [11:28] one of most popular.. [11:29] at least, it was :) [11:29] <\sh> so the return port is 80? [11:29] ajmitch: ping [11:29] \sh: yes [11:29] <\sh> ivoks: so it's different... [11:29] \sh: http://www.kazaa.com/us/index.htm [11:29] <\sh> http -> questioning port == 80 [11:30] <\sh> http -> answering port > 1024 [11:30] <\sh> fasttrack -> questioning port => ? [11:30] <\sh> fastrack -> answering port == 80? [11:30] yes [11:30] <\sh> for what layer7 then? [11:31] <\sh> filter incoming port of 80 and block it [11:31] <\sh> or accept it [11:31] ah... [11:31] did you ever fight against p2p in your backyard? :) [11:31] <\sh> it makes more sense, if u have a httpd running on your side, and u want to filter the incoming requests [11:31] <\sh> ivoks: no... [11:32] \sh: i did... closing ports is useless [11:32] <\sh> ivoks: why? if u want to use fasttrack open port 80 incoming, if not, close it [11:32] but it connects to other computers on port 80 [11:33] and you can deny outgoing traffic to 80 [11:33] <\sh> ivoks: thats outgoing [11:33] s/can/can't/ [11:34] \sh: i started disscusion on ubuntu-devel, so I would appriciate any comments or sugestions [11:34] <\sh> ivoks: of course u can :) install squid on one special machine, open port 8080 for all users, configure filter for fasttrack detection and deny all requests of this filter [11:34] <\sh> the rest can go out, open outgoing connections from squid server to port 80 outside [11:35] and what about other networks? [11:35] that don't have same port all the time [11:35] for example, winmx [11:35] there is no way to filter it [11:35] <\sh> ivoks: as I said, a firewall is not a software solution, it's a concept. [11:35] \sh: i agree [11:36] \sh: but you can't have squids on local machines [11:36] well... [11:36] <\sh> if u say: no p2p block all p2p ports..if one p2p network using common ports e.g. http, u need to filter on application level [11:36] i have to go now [11:36] <\sh> but this is not for homeusers [11:36] topic is on ubundu-devel, please, comment there [11:36] <\sh> if homeuser wants to have p2p -> open it, if not, close it [11:37] \sh: problem is... [11:37] \sh: does user know on what port p2p works? [11:37] wouldn't it be easier "open p2p" "close p2p"? [11:38] i think that is much better then "open 80, 4111, 2345, 1234, but close 1234 and 452" [11:38] s/452/4551/ :) [11:39] i really have to go now... [11:39] see you === SquishyWaffle [~gtaylor@24-158-64-173.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === DanielN [~kodiak@80-218-243-68.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:49] morning === zorglub [~zorglub@wahe.diwi.org] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [11:51] Which laptops work better in ubuntu? HP or Dell or both? [11:58] <\sh> most of the things from HP is working nicely with ubuntu...but the irda port and the sd card reader is not working as expected. [11:59] <\sh> for irda there is a solution with a separate piece of software, but the sd card reader will be difficult === Lathiat [~lathiat@202.92.213.227] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:01] DanielN: morning [12:03] <\sh> doko: u addicted package machine ;) === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:11] mhm [12:11] i'll try kubuntu now... never done that before :) === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:30] DanielN: fix your outstanding C++ packages first ;-) === susus [~sz@p5089F95E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:36] hi [12:41] <\sh> argl [12:41] <\sh> 500kg in less then 15 minutes [12:41] <\sh> and what i'm doing now with 1000 music cds...i don't have place for it in my new flat [12:48] \sh: oh man my mom moved my stuff around at her house [12:48] \sh: dumped all my cds [12:49] all out of order and stuff [12:49] <\sh> well..in this case, it wasn't my mom, it was my exwife who chased me out ;) [12:51] heh [12:51] i dont have any of those, luckily === koke [~koke@adsl229-164.unizar.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lathiat [~lathiat@gasp.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:01] <\sh> hehe === plugwash [plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [~herzi@c172202.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herve [~hcauwelie@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:33] morning [01:33] hi [01:40] <\sh> hey herve === herzi [~herzi@c172202.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:50] <\sh> herve: python-kde3 just reached your inbox ;) [01:50] haven't read it yet :-) [01:56] oooh @ "Hide Read Messages" [01:56] perfect for breezy-changes === Mithrandir notes that's default for gnus already. [02:00] hey, I need to read again the announces sometimes [02:00] and TB is smart enough to point me to the first unread messag [02:00] herve: you can unhide it, obviously [02:01] i can actually have a huge ammount of mail and find stuff now, thanks to beagle magic [02:01] suprisingly i dont use it enough [02:01] I need to make beagle talk to my imap server. [02:02] <\sh> Mithrandir: the search of kmail is good enough :) [02:03] hi folks [02:03] hi siretart [02:04] \sh: that would imply installing kmail. And if it doesn't index, you lose. [02:05] <\sh> Mithrandir: well..indexing is done by cyrus imapd...thats enough ;) [02:05] : tfheen@vawad ~ > du -sh ~/Maildir [02:05] 7,0G /home/tfheen/Maildir [02:05] there's _no way_ I'm letting cyrus close to my mail. :-) [02:05] hah wow [02:05] 122M .maildir [02:06] <\sh> for my new imap spool...i'm on 288MB [02:06] tseng: that's my inboxes (which means all spam, lists, etc filtered away) for 2004. :P [02:06] mine is 2.8G and curier-imap-ssl+kmail works just fine. [02:07] Mithrandir: ah, i /dev/null spam over a certain threshold [02:07] Mithrandir: so i only get about the bottom 3rd of it [02:07] tseng: I refuse anything getting > 10 as the SA score. [02:07] i think mine is 7 or 8 [02:07] which still accounts for somewhere in the range of 30MB/month. [02:08] <\sh> i still have to include my old archive [02:08] i need to fiddle with something, im starting to get a few mails a day to my inbox [02:08] and yes I retrain it every week or 2 [02:08] on uncaught. [02:08] ho no, not "I have the biggest one" again :-) [02:09] herve: i see your schwartz is as big as mine? [02:09] I refuse to answer! [02:10] watch the movie. [02:11] <\sh> your "schwartz" ? [02:11] spaceballs [02:11] <\sh> sad, i saw it only in german [02:11] hm [02:11] i imagine that takes alot out of it [02:12] <\sh> well..i could imagine what the meaning is [02:13] <\sh> ah [02:14] <\sh> "may the schwartz be with you" -> "Mge der Saft mit dir sein" ;) [02:14] <\sh> http://dict.leo.org/cgi-bin/dict/urlexp/20030328015533 [02:14] Saft = juice? [02:14] iirc. [02:14] <\sh> yeah [02:14] <\sh> it's a bad translation [02:14] wow. [02:16] <\sh> i think the word "schwartz" comes from the jewish language (jiddish) === siretart is looking at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUToReview [02:21] there is a lot outdated stuff there, I cleaned a few things up, but still.. [02:22] ah herve, i should remind you, as you said ;) [02:22] does anyone know LorenzoHernandezGarciaHierro? === |QuaD-_ [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:25] DanielN: C++ ping again? [02:27] siretart, he's trulux, no? [02:27] DanielN, sure! [02:28] herve: ? [02:29] ah [02:29] doko: i'm learning right now.. but i have a bit time tonight maybe [02:29] trulux: I've seen your selinux packages on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUToReview. are they still for reviewing? [02:30] siretart: I think so [02:30] siretart: ask pitti [02:30] hm. okay [02:34] <\sh> yes...the first "it works now" messages are coming for python-kde3 ;) [02:35] DanielN, so "when" is to be reviewed, [02:35] ? [02:35] yeah [02:54] DanielN, can you tell about the debian package on the author's page? [02:55] herve: nothing to tell.. i began from scratch [02:56] you didn't see it? [02:57] no i didn't.. i saw that there's a binary deb.. but the source i didn't saw, until ivoks has tell me yesterday [02:57] anyway, I have a problem [02:57] dpkg-source: error: file when_1.0.23.orig.tar.gz has size 30420 instead of expected 30418 [02:58] hmm [02:58] no idea [02:59] ok. ToReview cleaned up a bit === herve lost [03:01] siretart, how this page differs from MOTUNewPackages? [03:01] herve: ToReview are updated packages from existing one. NEW packages don't have hit either debian nor ubuntu [03:03] hmm ok [03:11] DanielN, but you checked what the author has set up for packaging? === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-1523.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:14] hi [03:14] hi [03:15] <\sh> doko: u will do the transition again for debian? :) [03:16] herve: ??? [03:16] DanielN, the debian_stuff directory [03:16] herve: he didn't removed it? :) === Danten [~danten@h140n7c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:21] I can guess from a comment you're a german speaking swiss :-) === thesaltydog [~pippo@62.211.45.42] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shawarma [~sh@3E6B503C.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:24] Hi! I'm a bit confused by the procedures for becoming a master of the universe... I have created a package, so there's no point in putting it into the UniverseCandidates as it's already made... What am I supposed to do? [03:25] <\sh> if it's a new package (not in debian neither in ubuntu: MOTUNewPackages) [03:25] <\sh> for becoming a MOTU u have to go the steps of "Ubuntu Member" -> "MOTU" [03:25] \sh: Ok. What if it was already in Debian (it's not, but the next package might be) [03:26] shawarma, MOTU is a special status you don't need to maintain packages [03:26] \sh, you forgot a step :-) [03:26] <\sh> install ubuntu? [03:26] <\sh> oh now [03:26] <\sh> -w [03:26] herve [03:26] shawarma, it would be better if it enters Debian first [03:26] <\sh> create a wiki page..without a wiki page u won't become a member ;) [03:26] i deleted debian_stuff [03:26] \sh, maintainer != motu [03:26] as ivoks said to me [03:27] DanielN, what? no leave it :-) [03:27] :> [03:27] you're supposed to be less instrusive as possible in the upstream package === herve kicks ivoks! [03:27] herve: come on [03:27] <\sh> herve: he asked: [15:24] Hi! I'm a bit confused by the procedures for becoming a master of the universe. [03:27] that debian_stuff is for debian package [03:27] I have to say that I'm not less confused now.. :-) [03:28] shawarma: fist, you have to create your own wiki page [03:28] I thought Masters of the universe was the group of maintainers of the universe. [03:28] ivoks: Done. [03:28] <\sh> shawarma: motus doesn't maintain packages...we r giving love to the packages ;) [03:28] shawarma: then you have to apply for a Ubuntu Member [03:28] <\sh> but a motu could be a package maintainer [03:28] shawarma: But in order to become that I have to have done stuff, but I can't do stuff before I'm a member... Or? [03:28] ivoks: That was for you.. [03:29] <\sh> shawarma: u can ask for reviewing and sponsored upload :) [03:29] <\sh> shawarma: u can prepare your wiki page [03:29] to become ubuntu member, you have to something for community [03:29] <\sh> write documentation whatever ubuntu related for the community [03:29] ivoks, it's harmless to leave it, and I don't like the idea of removing stuff in upstream packages [03:29] \sh: 2 questions: What do you mean by "giving love"? Who do I ask for sponsorship? [03:29] herve: well... ok [03:30] no sponsorship here [03:30] <\sh> shawarma: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages [03:30] everybody will help you [03:30] damn.. [03:30] hdf5 needs a lot of patching :( [03:30] <\sh> shawarma: we will review the packages and deciding then if it goes into the repos e.g. [03:30] <\sh> ivoks: hahaha u have it ;) [03:30] mine still didn't :) [03:31] warning: the address of 'H5G_init_interface', will always evaluate as 'true' [03:31] <\sh> ivoks: check the rules file [03:31] i get like hunderts of these and a like :) [03:31] <\sh> the package name depends on the rules and version of changelog [03:31] \sh: package is ok... [03:31] <\sh> its a mess [03:31] source isn't nice for g++4 [03:31] or gcc4 [03:32] <\sh> ivoks: u checked the other page? with the debian bug reports? [03:32] warning: ISO C90 does not support 'long long' [03:32] \sh: nope :) [03:32] <\sh> huahuahua [03:32] <\sh> ivoks: this will be your masterpiece [03:32] funny thing is... [03:32] it compiles :) [03:32] <\sh> warnings ;) [03:32] just with 1000^7 warnings :) [03:33] Ok. Now it's added to MOTUNewPackages... so now I just wait? [03:33] herve: what about when now? [03:34] typedef unsigned long long hsize_t; [03:34] someone was drunk when doing this :) [03:34] <\sh> shawarma: sad but true [03:34] \sh: It's only sad if the wait is long.. [03:34] <\sh> shawarma: right now we're in a cxx transition and it takes all our power [03:34] shawarma: it is [03:34] <\sh> shawarma: well...check d.b.o/wnpp ;) [03:34] shawarma: now we are totally occupied with cxx [03:35] <\sh> u will find packages waiting for >1 year..but we're faster [03:35] \sh: I'd imagine. Debian is not the fastest organization in the world. :-) [03:35] Daniel, continuing the review [03:35] <\sh> shawarma: imagine we're only 20 ppl [03:35] <\sh> 20? [03:35] warning: cast discards qualifiers from pointer target type [03:36] man... [03:36] :((( [03:36] <\sh> ogra: recruiting ;) [03:36] it's 4MB gizped messed source... [03:36] ivoks, want an aspirin? :-) [03:37] Can you explain this MOTU thing again? You are just the guys with upload privileges, or what? Or how do you differ from the package maintainers? [03:38] \sh: there is new debian hdf5 [03:38] \sh: should i use that one? :) [03:39] shawarma, yes we upload packages but that's only a part of it [03:39] ivoks, I'd like a sync, yes [03:39] shawarma, we upload because we fix packages and sync with debian [03:39] <\sh> ivoks: sure [03:39] <\sh> sync it, if it's not already [03:39] ah, no new things in -3 [03:40] shawarma, the motus also approve new packages and new colleagues [03:40] only fixes in debian/* [03:40] damn... :( [03:40] ivoks, still, sync it please [03:40] herve: sure [03:40] i was hoping for some patches :) [03:40] like debian would care for gcc 4 for now ;-) [03:41] but check upstream too [03:41] you can sync a new one with -0ubuntu1 as the revision [03:41] i know [03:41] i did that with wifi-radar [03:41] herve: Ok... I just got confused because on the MOTURecruitment page it says that if you want to become a MOTU, you go to the MaintainerCandidates page, and on the MOTU page it says to go to MOTURecruitment if you want to be a maintainer. I assumed MOTU == maintainer. [03:42] wich still isn't uploaded :) [03:42] shawarma, I know it's a mess, I felt the same :-) [03:43] hm. mesa is challenging :) [03:43] herve: So I'm still not totally sure.. I guess I just want to be a regular maintainer (don't have time for all the stuff you guys apparantly do).. Where is that process outlined? [03:44] herve: Sorry to bother you with all my stupid questions when you're so busy, I'm just very eager to get started on helping out. [03:44] yes, there is new version [03:45] <\sh> shawarma: follow the DD way [03:45] \sh: Become Debian Developer first? [03:45] <\sh> or put the package on MOTUNewPackages and ask for review + upload [03:45] <\sh> shawarma: this is for us the best way...get the package inside debian, we sync [03:45] shawarma, ask yourself two questions: what have you done for ubuntu so far, and what do you want to do as a maintaner? [03:45] \sh: Stupid question: Where to as for review + upload? [03:46] <\sh> shawarma: here? :) [03:46] shawarma, you have to prove you're a valued member and you will bring help to the universe [03:46] shawarma: you can start with porting hdf5 :) [03:46] if it's just for making a package entering ubuntu, it's not worth the effort [03:46] <\sh> rotfl [03:47] \sh: I've tried to become a Debian Developer for ages, but I need signatures and stuff, and there aren't a lot of DD's around here to sign my key.. [03:47] <\sh> shawarma: there is another possibility [03:47] shawarma: well, you need signatuers here too [03:47] <\sh> shawarma: u can send at least your passport copy or whatever to them [03:47] shawarma: but not only from ubuntu or debian developers [03:47] shawarma: what package are you talking about? why do I think it should be in ubuntu? [03:48] lbtouch. it's a driver for a touchscreen found on Fujitsu Lifebooks. [03:48] It should be in Ubuntu because I need the package and other people probably need it as well. [03:49] oh, god, no... [03:49] shawarma: ah, sounds great. [03:49] debian patch for hdf5 has... [03:49] 96000 lines :( [03:49] jesus... [03:49] ivoks: Really? who can sign it besides them? [03:50] shawarma: I think it would very helpfull if there was a MOTU or ubuntu developer who could test your package [03:50] siretart: Sure would. It's listed on the NewPackages page. [03:51] It generates one of those -source-packages usable with the module-assistant. [03:51] <\sh> siretart: it could go with the laptop testing [03:51] \sh: great idea! [03:51]