[12:00] <Zodiac> yes
[12:00] <delire> nova: ok, it's midnight here. can't help longer sadly. luck with all.
[12:00] <disasm> signius: what do you have to do with mysql to get the thing working?
[12:00] <Zodiac> the directory does not exist
[12:00] <Chislon> right, but neither is linux then, unless i want to pay money for crossover which i dont, but if i did then i could still do it on fbsd
[12:00] <dennis__> You will need to install wine in FreeBSD which is not fun :/
[12:00] <Chislon> because fbsd can for the most part run most linux stuff is my udnerstanding
[12:00] <synd> Zodiac: odd.
[12:00] <signius> i havnt done anything yet
[12:00] <mrchicago> |<001 ufo files
[12:00] <signius> i havnt got that far
[12:00] <synd> Zodiac: do what thoreauputic said
[12:00] <dennis__> Not wine...
[12:00] <Zodiac> I thought so too
[12:00] <dennis__> It runs wine horribly. :?
[12:00] <Chislon> oh
[12:00] <adam> oh no!
[12:00] <signius> how does this gpsman thing work
[12:00] <delire> adam it's a subscriber based service.
[12:00] <adam> i must pay!
[12:00] <synd> Zodiac: mkdir ~/.icons
[12:00] <Chislon> the port system sounds awesome tho
[12:00] <dennis__> It is
[12:00] <signius> i have given it the correct settings for the gps unit but not getting anything happening
[12:01] <dennis__> But getting everything to work sucks :/
[12:01] <synd> wtf
[12:01] <IcemanV9> Chislon: yes, fbsd do runs native linux progs
[12:01] <adam> delire i must pay?
[12:01] <Chislon> dennis__, how do you mean
[12:01] <synd> WHY are we talking about freeBSD here
[12:01] <mrchicago> shrus
[12:01] <Shiggity> delire, unfortunatly for us, there's not really an alternative for Cedega other than windows.
[12:01] <dennis__> Like it's hardware support isn't nearly as good as linux's
[12:01] <mrchicago> shrugs
[12:01] <delire> adam: yes, Cedega is a product that wraps windows games to be playable on Linux systems.
[12:01] <mrchicago> dont know
[12:01] <Chislon> IcemanV9, ok... thanks
[12:01] <IcemanV9> Chislon: ports (fbsd) == apt-get (ubuntu)
[12:01] <Chislon> but if it works on my system then thats not really an issue is it?
[12:02] <dennis__> Nope
[12:02] <Chislon> why is that?
[12:02] <dennis__> I'm just saying...if you plan to use flash...use a linux distro
[12:02] <pseudon00b> does anyone know how to change monitor settings on Ubuntu?
[12:02] <spanglesontoast> can you use ndiswrapper for other devices?
[12:02] <Chislon> and freebsd sounds more secure than linux and it being all one single thing rahter then all over hte place sounds good too, tho at first i thought linux's way soudned better
[12:02] <Zodiac> I got it to work
[12:02] <ompaul> IcemanV9, na pkg_add fbsd ~ apt-get ubuntu
[12:02] <delire> Shiggity: don't get me wrong. i understand ;) the more money that goes to Cedega the less native Linux games we have. interesting there's nothing like it for Apple, and of course Windows.
[12:02] <pseudon00b> I change monitor, but settings still same for other monitor
[12:02] <thoreauputic> guys, please talk about *BSD elsewhere
[12:02] <Zodiac> I actually just created that folder myself
[12:02] <Zodiac> ha ha
[12:02] <Zodiac> weird
[12:02] <spanglesontoast> other than internet ones
[12:02] <dennis__> What do you mean?
[12:02] <dennis__> There are lots of BSD distros
[12:02] <disasm> signius: you can load and send waypoints with the gps receiver menu
[12:02] <Zodiac> I wonder why it wasnt there originally..
[12:02] <Chislon> dennis__, well take flash out of hte picture then what do you think
[12:02] <disasm> signius: that's about all i've done with it
[12:03] <dennis__> Hmmm
[12:03] <Chislon> dennis__, there is netbsd, freebsd, and openbsd, im talkinga bout freebsd
[12:03] <mrchicago> 31 hours for dl with wget
[12:03] <Chislon> as far as i know anyways
[12:03] <synd> good god
[12:03] <mrchicago> ugh
[12:03] <kbrooks> Poke.
[12:03] <dennis__> I'd say to go with FreeBSD then...
[12:03] <Shiggity> delire, I guess its still 'write to my devs and gripe'. Too bad EA is taking over all my favorites. when they destroyed Westwood, I was quite irate.
[12:03] <synd> stop talkinga bout bsd
[12:03] <Zodiac> What is the most popular icon set?
[12:03] <kbrooks> Poke!
[12:03] <Chislon> dennis__, could you explain why that is then over ubuntu?
[12:03] <mrchicago> we need a napster for disrtos
[12:03] <synd> Zodiac: gargantuan
[12:03] <mrchicago> that is all there is to it
[12:03] <dennis__> Only reason I am using ubuntu is for wine/cedega support
[12:03] <kbrooks> I'm on Ubuntu.
[12:03] <mrchicago> at least you can resume the dl
[12:03] <thoreauputic> Chislon: this is #ubuntu - please take your convo about bsd vs ubuntu elsewhere
[12:03] <Zodiac> Are you serious?\
[12:03] <dennis__> I personally liked FreeBSD a lot
[12:03] <kbrooks> No X, since this is a server.
[12:03] <XandriX> kbrooks, where u from again ?
[12:04] <IcemanV9> ompaul: ah. you're talking about package. yep. you're correct.
[12:04] <delire> Shiggity: they really do represent the death of a great many startup and medium sized dev companies.
[12:04] <mrchicago> with something like napster
[12:04] <Chislon> dennis__, otherwise ud do fbsd?  what do you use wine/cedega for
[12:04] <kbrooks> XandriX: as in?
[12:04] <XandriX> canada englan i dunno
[12:04] <kbrooks> XandriX: channell? canada
[12:04] <Chislon> thoreauputic, im talkinga bout ubuntu, but thank you
[12:04] <kbrooks> er
[12:04] <dennis__> Wine/Cedega is for porting windows games and applications
[12:04] <Zodiac> ohh that is neat
[12:04] <dennis__> to linux
[12:04] <XandriX> kbrooks, i ment where u live
[12:04] <kbrooks> XandriX: canada
[12:04] <thoreauputic> Chislon: erm, no you aren't sorry
[12:04] <Chislon> dennis__, right, but i figure ill need to keep windows to do most games
[12:04] <dennis__> Hmm
[12:04] <kbrooks> Chislon: yes, but
[12:04] <signius> ok thank for help off to try and sort kismet
[12:04] <XandriX> kbrooks, can i ask u another major favor
[12:04] <Chislon> thoreauputic, im ok with you not understandig our conversation
[12:04] <kbrooks> Chislon: google
[12:05] <synd> Chislon: /join #freeBSD
[12:05] <Shiggity> delire, Do you think that you will be able to put out developers that would be able to help give better Linux games so that cedegla would be useless for Ubuntu and other distros?
[12:05] <delire> dennis__: not porting, wrapping
[12:05] <signius> cheers disasm
[12:05] <Chislon> i came here for information about ubuntu
[12:05] <dennis__> Well, Cedega runs wow betting than windows so :D
[12:05] <kbrooks> linuxgametome
[12:05] <Chislon> i am in freeBSD and i have done google
[12:05] <dennis__> Well, Cedega runs wow betting than windows so :D
[12:05] <Chislon> thank you for your concern
[12:05] <kbrooks> XandriX: oh wait.
[12:05] <thoreauputic> Chislon: any moment now - your warning will expire
[12:05] <dennis__> lol
[12:05] <kbrooks> XandriX: i did a MAJOR reformat.
[12:05] <synd> Chislon: how the fuck do you expect to come into #ubuntu and yap about BSD vs Ubuntu?
[12:05] <Chislon> dennis__,  and there is a free version of cedega right
[12:05] <dennis__> You have to install it via source
[12:05] <delire> dennis__: hehe yes it does.
[12:05] <dennis__> :D
[12:05] <kbrooks> Chislon: cedega-cvs
[12:05] <dennis__> I need to set it up :D
[12:05] <Chislon> thoreauputic, do whatever you want to do, but considering dennis and i are discussing ubuntu and how wine/cedega works with it, that would make any sense
[12:06] <spanglesontoast> did someone say I could key bind a xorg thing to change the driver?
[12:06] <dennis__> Delire...can you help me with some thing in pm?
[12:06] <mrchicago> hehe
[12:06] <fabio> Guys, how can I play MPG on Ubuntu?
[12:06] <mrchicago> cvs
[12:06] <mrchicago> sucks ass
[12:06] <toukijin_user2> could anyone please help me with freeNX?
[12:06] <mrchicago> i thing
[12:06] <Chislon> synd and that doesnt make any sense, i do it very easily, i am here to find out in formation about ubuntu, and freebsd, it works well to ask the users of both about both, so that is what i do
[12:06] <Chislon> what is the divverecne between cedega-cvs and the pay one?
[12:06] <Chislon> er difference
[12:06] <dennis__> Nothing
[12:06] <kpeterson> can anyone help me get AAC support working on rythmbox?  I have read the guide, but the faad plugin for gstreamer is not in the repositories, i found a .deb file for it with google, but i dont know what to do with it.
[12:07] <dennis__> You just install it via source
[12:07] <dennis__> You have to build the program from the source...
[12:07] <mrchicago> cvs is unstable
[12:07] <Zodiac> What is the best theme?>
[12:07] <dennis__> :/
[12:07] <JDahl> Chislon, you dont have any unix experience do you? Then FreeBSD sounds too ambitious for you
[12:07] <dennis__> lol
[12:07] <fabio> Guys, how can I playe MPG with Ubuntu?
[12:07] <dennis__> I started out with FreeBSD
[12:07] <mrchicago> you should be able to
[12:07] <dennis__> I went from 100% Windows to 100% FreeBSD easily :D
[12:07] <IcemanV9> dennis__: which version? me 2.2.6
[12:08] <spanglesontoast> how can I force the ati driver to install?
[12:08] <mrchicago> mess around with mplayer some
[12:08] <dennis__> FreeBSD is really easy....
[12:08] <dennis__> It comes with such a good manual
[12:08] <dennis__> and the freebsddiary is great
[12:08] <kpeterson> fabio there is a tutorial on the wiki
[12:08] <dennis__> Can someone help me install the kernel source ?
[12:08] <fabio> kpeterson, oh cool thx will have a look
[12:09] <JDahl> kpeterson, at least give a link if you mean to help
[12:09] <dennis__> I'm trying to install the nvidia sound driver but it needs my kernel source to be installed
[12:09] <Chislon> anyways, so what is the difference between the cedega-cvs and the pay version?
[12:09] <Chislon> and what is the difference between wine and cedega
[12:09] <kpeterson> JDahl sorry...
[12:09] <IcemanV9> Chislon: one is free and other is not :P
[12:09] <Chislon> if thats the only differnce why would you pay for the pay one?
[12:09] <kbrooks> Chislon: the pay v. of cedega is a binary
[12:09] <Chislon> oh, so what is a cvs then?
[12:09] <kbrooks> Chislon: and offers more.
[12:10] <Chislon> i dont really know what a binary means or is and such
[12:10] <dennis__> lol
[12:10] <spanglesontoast> sudo dpkg -i --ignore-depends=xlibmesa-gl fglrx-6-8-0_8.12.10-2_i386.deb
[12:10] <kbrooks> Chislon: cedega-cvs is cedega's source.. you have to compile it
[12:10] <Madpilot> I've been RTFM, but I'm still not sure how to mount a new SATA HDD. anyone want to give a noob a hand here, please?
[12:10] <adam> i cant download CEDEGA free?
[12:10] <psychonate> grr,
[12:10] <kbrooks> Madpilot: define mount.
[12:10] <psychonate> I'm still having problems with X.
[12:10] <spanglesontoast> doesn't work
[12:10] <dennis__> Can someone here help me install the kernel source for ubuntu?
[12:10] <Chislon> also last night this room was really friendly adn helping, but not so much today, so not sure what thats about... friendly support is a big deal, and has huge sway over a persons decision i think
[12:11] <Chislon> kbrooks, oh.. no idea how to do that, is that hard to learn to do
[12:11] <dennis__> Freebsd has a great manual
[12:11] <dennis__> Go with it
[12:11] <kbrooks> adam: you can, but don't trust them.
[12:11] <delire> spanglesontoast: once you've done that you have to compile it. all that does is install the source
[12:11] <IIIEars> If a hammer were as difficult to use as FreeBSD we would all be living in caves with bandaged thumbs. - lol
[12:11] <JDahl> Madpilot, ideally that shouldnt be different than mounting any other device... what error do you get?
[12:11] <kbrooks> dennis__: plae.
[12:11] <Madpilot> kbrooks: how do I get Ubuntu to recognize the new HDD? It's all plugged in...
[12:11] <adam> kbrooks why?
[12:11] <toxicfume> my Intel PRO Wireless 2200 wireless card in my laptop is not working in ubuntu, how do i get it to work?
[12:11] <psychonate> X runs fine for a while, but then, all of a sudden, it gets really really slow.
[12:11] <Kartagis> dennis__: apt-get install kernel-source or something like that
[12:11] <kbrooks> Madpilot: Easy.
[12:11] <dennis__> Okay
[12:11] <kbrooks> Madpilot: GNOME?
[12:11] <Madpilot> JDahl: no error, because I can't even find the commands I need...
[12:11] <psychonate> It will run nicely for a few days, but then it just gets very slow.
[12:12] <dennis__> X in what? Ubuntu?
[12:12] <psychonate> The only way I can help is to restart the X server.
[12:12] <spanglesontoast> it doesn't work theou delire
[12:12] <dennis__> Or FreebSD
[12:12] <Madpilot> kbrooks: yes, regular Ubuntu/GNOME
[12:12] <psychonate> dennis__, Ubunbu, of course.
[12:12] <thoreauputic> Chislon: possibly you were more on-topic last time you visited :)
[12:12] <kbrooks> adam: because they might have trojans etc
[12:12] <mrchicago> http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45
[12:12] <delire> spanglesontoast: outside of X 'cd /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod && sh make.sh && cd .. && sh make_install.sh && modprobe fglrx' then start X then 'glxinfo | grep direct' to test.
[12:12] <adam> kbrooks ok
[12:12] <dennis__> root@Spartan:/home/dennis # apt-get install kernel-source
[12:12] <dennis__> Reading package lists... Done
[12:12] <dennis__> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:12] <dennis__> Package kernel-source is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:12] <dennis__> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:12] <dennis__> is only available from another source
[12:12] <dennis__> E: Package kernel-source has no installation candidate
[12:12] <Chislon> why is it that people get so upset if someone asks about something other then there specific point of view or ways of things or the name of there room, i am here to learn about ubuntu, in order to understnad it better i need to know how it relates to other things and how it would fit for me
[12:12] <dennis__> root@Spartan:/home/dennis #
[12:12] <kbrooks> Madpilot: places menu?
[12:12] <mrchicago> how to on cvs
[12:12] <adam> where i can dl them?
[12:12] <dennis__> :(
[12:12] <adam> i need them
[12:12] <adam> :s
[12:12] <Chislon> thoreauputic, i was on topic this time, asking about peoples thoughts about freebsd and ubuntu
[12:12] <adam> but i cant pay
[12:12] <mrchicago> i hate my dsl
[12:13] <delire> dennis__: apt-get install linux-source-$(uname -r)
[12:13] <IcemanV9> Chislon: anyway, good luck with your decision on bsd or ubuntu (or even both!) :)
[12:13] <Chislon> thoreauputic, you wernet even a part of the conversation, dennis and i were talking, adn others were talking to me about cedega
[12:13] <Madpilot> kbrooks: nothing new there. Just my existing CD, two ATA HDD, etc. No new SATA HDD yet...
[12:13] <JDahl> Madpilot, it's probably already there as /dev/sda*... you need to insert it into fstab
[12:13] <Chislon> thoreauputic, you kicked me for talking about using linux software on a linux distro, in the room for that distro....
[12:13] <Chislon> not toof riendly support
[12:13] <Chislon> IcemanV9, thank you
[12:13] <kbrooks> Madpilot: open a gnome-terminal
[12:13] <dennis__> Chislon, you are very very new right?
[12:13] <kbrooks> Madpilot: nano /etc/fstab
[12:13] <spanglesontoast> huh
[12:14] <spanglesontoast> you lost me delire
[12:14] <dennis__> I'd go with FreeBSD as it has a great manual to help you will all of your problems...
[12:14] <spanglesontoast> I have a .deb
[12:14] <delire> spanglesontoast the deb is *just the driver source*
[12:14] <Madpilot> kbrooks: done nano/etc/fstab. now?
[12:14] <Chislon> dennis__, yep, but that doesnt mean i dont understand the differnece between being nice, and someone trying to way two options against each other, what better source is there then those two places, to ask them about themselves adn there ideas of the other, i think that is very typical and reasonable way people make decisions all the time
[12:14] <delire> spanglesontoast: you have to compile it
[12:14] <thoreauputic> Chislon: you misunderstand - the problem we sometimes have is that conversations can become distracting for others - but never mind
[12:14] <spanglesontoast> so failing is part of it?
[12:14] <JDahl> Madpilot, do you have any files /dev/sda* ?
[12:14] <delire> spanglesontoast: this is the 'ATI Way'
[12:14] <adam> How to play with a game?
[12:14] <ender_> anyone who plays nethack say WOOHOO
[12:14] <Chislon> thoreauputic, who was being distracted, and distracted in what way, i dont understand?
[12:14] <adam> i cant use CEDEGA
[12:14] <babycake> i have samba installed on my ubuntu, but is there any GUI that i can use?
[12:15] <Chislon> thoreauputic, nor do i understand what you mean by nevermind, im not sure if by it you are being firendly or unfriendly
[12:15] <spanglesontoast> really you got a guide to check it?
[12:15] <kbrooks> Madpilot: insert: /dev/sda1 /mnt/mountpoint ext3 defaults 0 0
[12:15] <delire> spanglesontoast: it fails on install? do this 'dpkg -i --force-overwrite fglrx-blah.deb'
[12:15] <Madpilot> JDahl: no, no sda files.
[12:15] <delire> spanglesontoast: then: outside of X 'cd /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod && sh make.sh && cd .. && sh make_install.sh && modprobe fglrx' then start X then 'glxinfo | grep direct' to test.
[12:15] <Chislon> sorry if i was being a jerk, but i do think that i should be able to ask about ubuntu and what ubuntu people think of freebsd, that seems very logical to me
[12:15] <thoreauputic> Chislon: I'm neutral, and not upset - I spend a lot of time here helping - but you may be right and I apologise if I misunderstood you
[12:15] <Chislon> or, sorry for being a jerk
[12:15] <toxicfume> Can someone help me with my intel wireless 2200 wireless card in ubuntu?
[12:16] <Kartagis> hello? I need help?
[12:16] <kbrooks> Madpilot: cfdisk /dev/sda BEFORE editing /etc/fstab
[12:16] <Kartagis> hi. I have a problem telnetting in my eggdrop. I know this sounds like an eggdrop problem but it is a telnet problem.
[12:16] <Kartagis> can you help me with it? it always freezes at Trying 192.168.1.2... / Connected to 192.168.1.2. / Escape character is
[12:16] <Kartagis> '^] '. stage
[12:16] <delire> Chislon it's pretty off topic
[12:16] <delire> Chislon but sure
[12:16] <Chislon> thoreauputic, no problem
[12:16] <signius> disasm: it worked first time under kismet
[12:16] <babycake> anyone can help me to setup the samba server?
[12:16] <spanglesontoast> so that should work really?
[12:16] <disasm> signius: i can't gpsdrive to open
[12:16] <delire> dennis__ no need to msg. what's up?
[12:16] <disasm> it's frozen at the splash screen
[12:16] <kbrooks> Madpilot: you want to add a partition, then exit. should be self explanatory
[12:16] <Chislon> delire, i dont think that talkinga bout ubuntu and how it relates to other things or comapres to them is offtopic at all for an ubntu room, i came here wondering how it compared to fbsd, inorder to do that, one would have to talk about both no?
[12:16] <dennis__> I get very lost in this channel
[12:16] <dennis__> So busy
[12:16] <signius> disasm:
[12:17] <Chislon> thoreauputic, did you kick me or did i crash? just wondering
[12:17] <delire> Chislon: sure
[12:17] <signius> disasm:How you trying to open it ?
[12:17] <Madpilot> kbrooks: cfdisk /dev/sda got "Fatal Error" ?
[12:17] <JDahl> Madpilot, try lspci -v, or dmesg and see if there isnt anything about your SATA drive. It used to be a real pain to deal with SATA under Debian, but it should be fine now
[12:17] <disasm> run gpsdrive from term
[12:17] <synd> Chislon: you crashed
[12:17] <Chislon> sorry for being a jerk
[12:17] <thoreauputic> Chislon: these kinds of discussions often deteriorate and become personal - no I didn't kick you
[12:17] <kbrooks> Madpilot: is it  PROPERLY installed?
[12:17] <nalioth_wrkn> dennis__: which is why we preface our entrys with the users nick to whom we are addressing
[12:17] <dennis__> ?
[12:17] <dennis__> Yeah I know...
[12:17] <delire> Chislon: hehe relax. few people here would know much about freebsd is anyway.
[12:18] <dennis__> Delire, that didn't work :p
[12:18] <Chislon> synd, thoreauputic , ok thank you, and yes im not trying to get personal, i dont understand why they get personal
[12:18] <spanglesontoast> I HATE FREEBSD...........
[12:18] <Madpilot> kbrooks: Data & power plugs are in place, pretty hard to get them mixed up...
[12:18] <Chislon> delire, not really sure what you mean by relax...
[12:18] <IcemanV9> Chislon: don't worry; at least i believe you got info to decide :)
[12:18] <dennis__> Chislon pm me if you need more info on FreeBSD
[12:18] <disasm> signius: how do you open it?
[12:18] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: no trolling!
[12:18] <Chislon> IcemanV9, dennis__  thank you
[12:18] <signius> i went to Application on the gnome menu
[12:18] <Chislon> you guys have been very nice
[12:18] <thoreauputic> Chislon: OK - lets leave it at that - and of course you are welcome to come here for help with Ubuntu any time
[12:18] <signius> then typed gpsdrive
[12:18] <nalioth_wrkn> the only bsd i know, is in my apple machine
[12:18] <spanglesontoast> what's trolling?
[12:18] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: erm, flaming. wrong term
[12:19] <spanglesontoast> flaming?
[12:19] <ompaul> Chislon, have a look at what ubuntu means as a word
[12:19] <Chislon> thoreauputic, ok... i dunno i feel like i should be apologizing again?
[12:19] <delire> dennis__: ok see what kernel source packages are available with 'apt-cache search linux source' and then select the package that relates to your kernel version, and then apt-get install linux-source-<insert-kernel-version-here>
[12:19] <nalioth_wrkn> spanglesontoast: the horns look good on ya
[12:19] <IcemanV9> nalioth_wrkn: heheh :)
[12:19] <thoreauputic> Chislon: no it's fine :)
[12:19] <Chislon> ompaul, ya i saw that, and sounds good
[12:19] <babycake> la la la
[12:19] <signius> disasm:you should be able to open it by typing gpsdrive in a command line also
[12:19] <Chislon> thoreauputic, ok thank you
[12:19] <Chislon> ompaul, although id prefer a green based color scheme ;) but i can of course change that
[12:19] <thoreauputic> Chislon: as I said , you are welcome to come in for help with ubuntu anytime
[12:19] <spanglesontoast> hmm
[12:20] <Madpilot> JDahl: dmesg returns no sda info...
[12:20] <Chislon> thoreauputic, ok thank you
[12:20] <ompaul> http://www.retrologic.com/jargon/T/troll.html
[12:20] <nalioth_wrkn> yes, chislon i'm always needin help with something ubuntu
[12:20] <disasm> signius: did you have to run gpsd firts?
[12:20] <dennis__> Delire, root@Spartan:/home/dennis #  apt-get install linux-source-<2.6.10> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[12:20] <Chislon> and well i do want to say sorry again, i was being a jerk, it does make sense to take freebsd talk to private, so im sorry for being a jerk
[12:20] <signius> no
[12:20] <signius> there is an option within gpsdrive to start and stop gpsd
[12:20] <ompaul> Chislon choose the monthly background change :)
[12:20] <delire> dennis__: heh without the '<''>'
[12:20] <babycake> heelllllllllllllooooooooooooo
[12:20] <JDahl> Madpilot, you should look for things identifying your SATA drive (vendor names) - it doesnt have to be sda1. Also make sure your BIOS is setup to handle both SATA and ATA
[12:21] <delire> dennis__: sorry
[12:21] <Chislon> ompaul, and that and stuff is free right or? or i dunno, like i dont realloy know much about how any of thise works yet
[12:21] <spanglesontoast> hey why is there no fglrx not in modules
[12:21] <dennis__> lol
[12:21] <delire> dennis__: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[12:21] <Chislon> thoreauputic, did you see that? its to everyone, but also to you since yoru the one who talked to me most about it of course
[12:21] <delire> spanglesontoast: you have to compile it
[12:22] <thoreauputic> Chislon: sure
[12:22] <Chislon> thoreauputic, ok thank you
[12:22] <Zukero> hello
[12:22] <spanglesontoast> yea theres no folder
[12:22] <ompaul> it is gpl in the main, that is free, it is all on the site, due to other none gpl licence materials there are ways to deal with packages like java from Sun they are referred to as restricted
[12:22] <ompaul> ! restricted
[12:22] <ubotu> well, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:22] <delire> spanglesontoast: to be clear, the fglrx package you installed is just the source for the drivers. it installs to /lib/modules/fglrx. then you have to compile the driver in fglrx/build_mod/
[12:22] <Zukero> ok i had my answer in the topic
[12:22] <Madpilot> JDahl: blast... forgot about the BIOS settings, haven't checked them... will reboot & have a look @ BIOS. thanks!
[12:22] <delire> spanglesontoast: the instructions i gave above will take you through those steps.
[12:22] <thoreauputic> Chislon: the internet is a funny place, and IRC is weird anyway; don't worry about it ;-)
[12:22] <babycake> who am i
[12:23] <babycake> anyone sees me
[12:23] <Chislon> thoreauputic, ok thank you :)
[12:23] <thoreauputic> :)
[12:23] <spanglesontoast> but theres nothing in modules
[12:23] <nalioth_wrkn> Chislon: yes, thoreauputic is the king (queen?) of the weirdos ....  :0
[12:23] <spanglesontoast> to compile
[12:23] <nemik> how would i use one of the libcurl functions in a shell script?
[12:23] <thoreauputic> nalioth_wrkn: how true ;-)
[12:23] <nemik> i need curl_escape() to encode strings to URL-encoded strings
[12:24] <delire> spanglesontoast: if you installed the fglrx package you should have the folder /lib/modules/fglrx. if not, something went wrong.
[12:24] <IIIEars> (sigh) there goes my title - grin
[12:24] <toxicfume> Can someone help me with my intel wireless 2200 wireless card in ubuntu? It doesn't seem to work at all
[12:24] <spanglesontoast> yea it moans about that other package
[12:24] <spanglesontoast> xlibmesa-gl
[12:24] <adam> how i can download WINEX?
[12:24] <delire> spanglesontoast: did you 'dpkg -i --force-overwrite fglrx-blah.deb'?
[12:24] <crimsun> toxicfume: iwconfig doesn't reveal anything useful?
[12:25] <disasm> gpsdrive (c) 2001-2004 Fritz Ganter <ganter@ganter.at>
[12:25] <disasm> Version 2.09
[12:25] <disasm> $Id: gpsdrive.c,v 1.525 2004/03/03 20:46:47 ganter Exp $
[12:25] <disasm> GpsDrive version 2.09
[12:25] <disasm> $Id: gpsdrive.c,v 1.525 2004/03/03 20:46:47 ganter Exp $
[12:25] <disasm> SQL: connected to localhost as gast using geoinfo
[12:25] <disasm> Module fly loaded (Version 2)
[12:25] <disasm> Module nautic loaded (Version 2)
[12:25] <pedlar> hey, anybody tell me why i can't get gstreamer0.8-lame on an amd64 version of hoary?
[12:25] <disasm> oops
[12:25] <disasm> sorry
[12:25] <spanglesontoast> yea
[12:25] <spanglesontoast> it works
[12:25] <spanglesontoast> hehe
[12:25] <delire> pedlar i don't think it's compiled yet.
[12:25] <ompaul> disasm, so use pastebin for the full message
[12:25] <crimsun> pedlar: are you sure it exists in the debian-marillat mirror for amd64?
[12:25] <spanglesontoast> do you have to restart to compile it?
[12:25] <delire> spanglesontoast: ok great. now you'll have to write this down and do it from outside X
[12:26] <toxicfume> crimsun: it does, but it says ESSID is off/any
[12:26] <pedlar> no, i'm not
[12:26] <spanglesontoast> yea but do I have to do it out of x?
[12:26] <disasm> ompaul: sorry, thought i was on a different window, and realized it too late...
[12:26] <pedlar> is there any way i could build it myself?
[12:26] <toxicfume> crimsun: even if i set the ESSID, it doesn't work
[12:26] <crimsun> toxicfume: and you're sure you're within range of an open wap?
[12:26] <delire> spanglesontoast: follow what i wrote above. that's the long command but will work. that compiles and installs the driver.
[12:26] <signius> toxicfume: what chipset does that intel wireless card use ?
[12:26] <ompaul> disasm, take two dohs! and rest a bit :)
[12:26] <toxicfume> crimsun: i'm totally positive, i booted into windows just to test it twice, it was there
[12:26] <crimsun> signius: the ipw2200
[12:26] <signius> toxicfume: is it an a b or g card ?
[12:26] <delire> spanglesontoast: here it is again to be sure: "outside of X 'cd /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod && sh make.sh && cd .. && sh make_install.sh && modprobe fglrx' then start X then 'glxinfo | grep direct' to test."
[12:27] <toxicfume> signius: i'm not sure..maybe it's prism2? but don't count on my words..it's a B/G card
[12:27] <HaloGray> Hello all
[12:27] <spanglesontoast> can I just bung that into a shell script?
[12:27] <Chislon> nalioth_wrkn, i dont know, not sure how to respond
[12:27] <HaloGray> I'm having trouble getting an nvidia driver installed... any help?
[12:27] <psychonate> Can anyone help me with my problem? (X just begins to run very very slowly after a few days of normality.)
[12:28] <psychonate> Someone in another channel thought it might be a memory link from one thing or another. Anyone care to see some stats from top?
[12:28] <signius> there is a source forge project for that intel card
[12:28] <_Church_of_Foamy> try control +alt+backspace
[12:28] <signius> http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/
[12:28] <pedlar> so could anybody help me with building gstreamer0.8-lame?
[12:28] <crimsun> toxicfume: try http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/ipw2200-source
[12:28] <toxicfume> signius: yes, i've been there but i'm not entirely sure on how to install those. Would i need to download the kernel source to isntall them?
[12:28] <spanglesontoast> be back soon delire
[12:28] <kent> pedlar, why build it?
[12:29] <pedlar> because i'm using amd64 and i can't seem to find it in the repositories
[12:29] <toxicfume> crimsun: you mean in apt -get or what?
[12:29] <crimsun> toxicfume: to use ipw2200-source, you'll need build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed
[12:29] <kakalto> what's a midi player for ubuntu?
[12:29] <delire> pedlar do you mean compile it? if so grab the source. it's possible you can just './configure && make && make install'
[12:29] <crimsun> toxicfume: I presume you're on i386?
[12:29] <toxicfume> crimsun: yes
[12:29] <delire> kakalto: player or sequencer? timidity playmidi
[12:29] <pedlar> delire: bear with me i'm a linux newbie, where would i grab it from
[12:29] <nemik> how would i use one of the libcurl functions in a shell script? mainly curl_escape()
[12:30] <signius> it looks like you need to patch the drivers similar to what i have to do with my orinoco drivers to make my card support rfmon
[12:30] <crimsun> toxicfume: wget http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/contrib/i/ipw2200/ipw2200-source_1.0.4-1_all.deb
[12:30] <kent> pedlar, if its not in the ubuntu archive, its probably becaus it didn't compile.  But, if your using Hoary it should be in the archive. Are you using restricted and universe?
[12:30] <pedlar> i believe so
[12:30] <signius> the instructions look pretty good in the install read me
[12:30] <signius> did you read the info ?
[12:30] <toxicfume> crimsun: okay
[12:30] <crimsun> toxicfume: you'll also need the module-assistant package installed
[12:30] <delire> pedlar so you are sure you cannot see it with an 'apt-cache search lame gstreamer'? this checks for the availability of a package based on keyword.
[12:31] <psychonate> Alrighty, then. Well, come someone at least tell me if this sort of usage looks normal?
[12:31] <signius> sounds like crimson knows his shit with this card
[12:31] <pedlar> doesn't show it
[12:31] <signius> listen to crimson you should
[12:31] <psychonate> Mem:    516396k total,   496004k used,    20392k free
[12:31] <signius> hmmm
[12:31] <psychonate> Swap:  1510068k total,   235876k used,  1274192k free
[12:31] <toxicfume> crimsun: wherecan i get that from?
[12:31] <thoreauputic> Chislon: may I /msg you briefly?
[12:31] <crimsun> toxicfume: apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) module-assistant
[12:32] <kent> pedlar, there is no package with the name gstreamer0.8-lame.  I cant find it either.
[12:32] <delire> pedlar: if there is a pacakge available you can simply install it.
[12:32] <kent> pedlar, and im using i386
[12:32] <delire> kent pedlar ouch. ok. perhaps you can try to compile it..
[12:32] <limer> how can I watch my dvd at /dev/hdc (aka) /media/cdrom0  ?
[12:32] <pedlar> delire, where would i get the source from?
[12:33] <delire> kent in debian testing there is a gstreamer0.8-lame
[12:33] <nalioth_wrkn> kent: do you have universe and multiverse in your sources.list?
[12:33] <pusling> limer: dvd do not get mountet. Pint your mediaplayer to /dev/hdc
[12:33] <ompaul> grep -a is to disregard the case  of a letter?
[12:33] <kent> pedlar, what made you think that there should exist such a package by the way? maybe its called something else?
[12:33] <delire> pedlar if you type 'apt-cache search lame' do you get any output?
[12:33] <Madeye> guys how to run/install .jar file?
[12:33] <crimsun> Madeye: java -jar foo.jar
[12:33] <ompaul> no it aint :(
[12:33] <nalioth> who is needing lame help?
[12:33] <pedlar> kent, the ubuntu docs made me think it exists
[12:33] <psychonate> Can someone at least tell me if Ubuntu has a bug tracker or something similar?
[12:33] <pusling> ompaul: -i
[12:33] <kent> nalioth, yes, I have universe and multiverse.
[12:33] <pedlar> nalioth, its me
[12:33] <nemik> how would i use one of the libcurl functions in a shell script? mainly curl_escape()
[12:33] <limer> pusling: I've done that and vlc just flashes a bar for a second and then nothing
[12:34] <nalioth> pedlar universe and multiverse repos
[12:34] <limer> pusling: let me give you totem's error
[12:34] <nalioth> brb
[12:34] <ompaul> pusling, yeah, just reread the man page (been a while :))
[12:34] <kent> pedlar, which doc? could you point me to that page?
[12:34] <pedlar> nalioth, for amd64?
[12:34] <pedlar> one sec
[12:34] <pusling> ompaul: i as in [i] gnore-case ;)
[12:34] <delire> pedlar i think you need to allow for the 'non-free' packages. these are packages which are not truly open source
[12:34] <limer> pusling: could not read from resource
[12:34] <ompaul> pusling, aye
[12:34] <pedlar> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:34] <delire> pedlar this is done by adding "pacakge repositories" as they explain above.
[12:35] <toxicfume> crimsun: after getting the modules-assistant, i can simpyl start the .deb file?
[12:35] <pusling> limer: have you decss and stuff installed ?
[12:35] <kent> pedlar, gstreamer0.8-mad  will give you mp3 support, if thats the package you are looking for.. ?
[12:35] <limer> pusling: looking into it now, I assumed it was by default
[12:36] <pedlar> kent, i'm looking for encoding
[12:36] <pusling> limer: decss is kind of non-free ;)
[12:36] <pedlar> kent, i've already gotten the mad package, they play fine
[12:36] <limer> pusling: gotcha.  I knew that it was but thought the *AAs had just given up
[12:36] <psychonate> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[12:36] <psychonate> thanks...
[12:36] <psychonate> google
[12:36] <delire> pedlar mencoder is very good
[12:36] <limer> pusling: that'll be the day ;)
[12:36] <augmentor> hi all
[12:37] <delire> pedlar install mplayer with mencoder
[12:37] <shinu> what should i do if i cant kill a process wiht kill -9?
[12:37] <augmentor> my sources.list got messed up, can someone please send me a working copy with multiverse? thanks :)
[12:37] <kent> pedlar, if you read more carefully it says on that page that it is in Hoary-extras.  I dont know where that repositorie is :(
[12:37] <adam> HUM!
[12:37] <pusling> shinu: force-unload the module used by the process or reboot the computer
[12:37] <delire> shinu tried killall? there may be several dependent processes
[12:37] <crimsun> toxicfume: you need to install it
[12:38] <shinu> delire: tried it but doesnt seem to work
[12:38] <kent> pedlar, section 2.2 on that page will tell you how to configure so that you get the hoary-extra repositorie. After that, you can install gstreamer0.8-lame  :)
[12:38] <limer> pusling: package is missing
[12:38] <shinu> pusling: im trying to kill mount... what modules would that be?
[12:40] <pusling> shinu: what are you mounting ?
[12:40] <pusling> limer: I think it is called libdvdcss or something like that
[12:40] <shinu> pusling: cdrom which isnt working properly ;.;
[12:40] <limer> pusling: yes, but it is gone from the repositories now
[12:41] <pedlar> i added the repository but it doesn't show the gstreamer0.8-lame package i'm looking for
[12:41] <pusling> limer: you might be able to install from marillat archive, but be carefull
[12:41] <spanglesontoast> didn't work
[12:41] <spanglesontoast> got errors
[12:41] <psychonate> Is *anyone* having problems with xorg along the lines of xorg running very slow after running fine for a while?
[12:42] <pusling> shinu: try forceunmount joliet, iso-6699 or whatever it is called
[12:42] <kent> pedlar, it doesn't show at all, or it shows the wrong version?
[12:42] <limer> pusling: not sure what that is.  I will look around for deb binaries me thinks
[12:42] <delire> spanglesontoast what errors?
[12:42] <pedlar> kent, no show
[12:42] <psychonate> as in, a few days of good performance, and then very slow performance until a restart of the server
[12:42] <IIIEars> pusling - did you need libdvdcss?
[12:42] <pusling> limer: ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat i think
[12:42] <spanglesontoast> kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete
[12:42] <spanglesontoast> file: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h
[12:42] <kent> pedlar, have you ran "sudo apt-get update" (or updated the list in synaptic) ?
[12:42] <delire> spanglesontoast you need the kernel source
[12:42] <toxicfume> crimsun: i already got modules-assistant, but i still don't know how to install the .deb file :/ I tried double clicking onit but it only asked me to extract
[12:42] <pedlar> i think so
[12:42] <delire> spanglesontoast in that case..
[12:43] <benplaut> spanglesontoast: do you live in kentucky?
[12:43] <pusling> IIIEars: do not remember. Just tried if it worked. I have normal dvd-player for watching movies ;)
[12:43] <benplaut> o/t
[12:43] <shinu> pusling: but how can i kill the mount process?... the cdrom is not mounted yet...
[12:43] <kent> pedlar, and you ran that *after* you added the hoary-extra  right?
[12:43] <IIIEars> Okay. :)
[12:43] <delire> spanglesontoast apt-get install linux-source-$(uname -r) linux-headers-$(uname  -r)
[12:43] <limer> pusling: ok, execute dpkg -i ?
[12:43] <pedlar> yup
[12:43] <crimsun> toxicfume: you can install it manually using sudo dpkg -i
[12:43] <Johnnyfav> can you logon to http sites through terminal?
[12:43] <pedlar> kent, and just did it again
[12:43] <pusling> limer: something like that. yes
[12:44] <toxicfume> crimsun: oh okay
[12:44] <pusling> shinu: force-unload cdrom-filetype-modules and try kill again
[12:44] <delire> spanglesontoast i can't remember if "linux-headers-$(uname -r)" is right however. i run debian here
[12:44] <toxicfume> crimsun: okay, looks like it's done, what do i do next?
[12:44] <delire> spanglesontoast we have different package names for this material
[12:45] <spanglesontoast> ah
[12:45] <IIIEars> !marillat
[12:45] <ubotu> add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main to your sources.list. Change stable to testing or unstable according to the distribution you are using. "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main".
[12:45] <crimsun> toxicfume: what was the output from it installing? Paste to pastebin
[12:45] <delire> spanglesontoast you need these files to compile against. they contain information needed by the ATI driver compilation process
[12:45] <mrchicago> !marillat
[12:45] <spanglesontoast> ah
[12:46] <psychonate> OK, I think the problem may be a memory leak from Xorg, as in https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10663 .
[12:46] <spanglesontoast> I'm just wondering why there isn't an already made .deb
[12:46] <spanglesontoast> for ati?
[12:46] <benplaut> spangles: do you live in kentucky?
[12:46] <delire> spanglesontoast compilation of anything is always involved in any platform
[12:46] <pusling> IIIEars: it might be dangerous, because it sometimes is diffeent versions of mplayer than in multiverse (and other package-depends)
[12:46] <delire> spanglesontoast there is, xorg-fglrx-*
[12:46] <spanglesontoast> benplaut no I live in uk surrey godalming
[12:46] <IIIEars> pusling yes it sure is. - ubotu doesn't know that
[12:46] <delire> spanglesontoast apt-cache search fglrx
[12:47] <disasm> heh heh heh, i install the ati binary 3d accel driver for xorg, and it works fine, but now prboom is in a itty bitty window thats barely see-able, back to google...
[12:47] <spanglesontoast> yea I know but I was advised to use the one from the ati site
[12:47] <benplaut> spangles: never mind... my sister (who lives in kentucky) has someone named spanglesontoast in her IM address book :)
[12:47] <delire> spanglesontoast that's what i advise
[12:47] <spanglesontoast> benplaut how old is she?
[12:47] <delire> benplaut 3 degrees of separation in the linux community ;)
[12:47] <spanglesontoast> oh
[12:47] <benplaut> 16
[12:47] <spanglesontoast> snap
[12:47] <spanglesontoast> :D
[12:47] <shinu> pusling: you do mean modprode -r -f modulename right?
[12:48] <psychonate> OK, no responses in the last half hour. I may as well mute myself.
[12:48] <ompaul> delire, more like 2.756. :)
[12:48] <pusling> shinu: yes
[12:48] <shinu> pusling: it just says module is in use ;.;
[12:48] <crimsun> psychonate: with what issue?
[12:48] <spanglesontoast> weird world eh benplaut
[12:48] <psychonate> crimsun, I think it might be a memory leak issue with X.
[12:49] <psychonate> At least one person in #linuxhelp tried to help me.
[12:49] <spanglesontoast> theres two source packages
[12:49] <delire> ompaul hmm, yes i think that is closer to experience
[12:49] <apollo2011> I have (K)ubuntu system with both KDE and Gnome installed. I use KDE by default.  However, I just noticed that the Switch User option is suddenly missing from my K Menu.
[12:49] <pusling> shinu: perhaps you should also unload modules depending on <module_you_try_to_remove>
[12:49] <shinu> uh...
[12:49] <shinu> alright...
[12:49] <shinu> ill try that
[12:49] <psychonate> crimsun, I pasted a link to a bugzilla entry that may be similar
[12:49] <delire> psychonate no, i haven't had this experience
[12:49] <shinu> pusling: but if i reload them later my cdrom will be working fine again right?
[12:50] <pusling> shinu: yes. and after unloading them, you might be able to kill mount
[12:50] <shinu> yup
[12:50] <ompaul> delire, defines I kind of know X
[12:50] <shinu> ok ill try that
[12:50] <psychonate> Well, could someone at least tell me if my memory/swap usage looks normal?
[12:50] <ompaul> I think I have just lost three years of archives
[12:50] <delire> ompaul tentatively relativistic association - the bulk of human relationships
[12:50] <spanglesontoast> brb going to have a shower while the linux-source downloads
[12:51] <psychonate> I don't personally know what "normal" should look like.
[12:51] <ompaul> delire, now there is a truism
[12:51] <crimsun> psychonate: I'm much more prone to believe that an application or a set of applications are simply not releasing memory properly back to the X server
[12:52] <delire> ompaul ouch. let's hope you're not running a journaled fs ;)
[12:52] <ompaul> delire, like I would not do that ...
[12:53] <psychonate> crimsun, I don't doubt the possibility., and your guess is probably better than mine, but if I close all the apps running in X, it looks like the problem still stands until I restart the X server. I don't know if that helps you at all.
[12:53] <delire> ompaul hehe. recovery with reiserfs and ext2 is reasonably easy compared to that of ext3
[12:53] <Shiggity> Peace all!
[12:53] <crimsun> psychonate: closing those apps won't help if the apps don't release memory properly...
[12:53] <ompaul> delire: time for  `sudo su - `
[12:53] <delire> ompaul hmm
[12:54] <delire> psychonate have you tried seeing what happens if you start X and then leave it with no applications running at all?
[12:54] <crimsun> psychonate: in fact, that really points to certain applications, since if the fault lay with the X server, restarting the X server _still_ wouldn't reclaim that memory
[12:54] <pedlar> since it looks like i won't have luck finding the gstreamer0.8-lame plugin, anybody know of a cd ripper that uses mencoder?
[12:55] <delire> pedlar mencoder is best for video really. i think i may have taken your request the wrong way before
[12:55] <pedlar> oh
[12:55] <pedlar> bummer
[12:55] <delire> pedlar i would look at ogg vorbis
[12:55] <pedlar> i need this for my ipod
[12:55] <delire> pedlar ahah.
[12:56] <delire> can anyone confirm successful compilation of gstreamer-mad for the amd64 arch?
[12:56] <mattlacey> pedlar you can get gstreamer0.8-lame plugin with apt
[12:56] <pedlar> amd64?
[12:56] <mattlacey> that i don't know :)
[12:56] <delire> pedlar: athlon, i meant to say. isn't that the arch you said you had earlier?
[12:57] <delire> pedlar 64?
[12:57] <pedlar> pedlar, amd64 yeah
[12:57] <mac_hack> hi all
[12:57] <cyphase> has anyone here played blast?
[12:57] <pedlar> whoops
[12:57] <pusling> pedlar: cant you apt-get source and dpkg-buildpackage if no package for amd64 is available_?
[12:57] <delire> pedlar: right.. i seem to remember someone else having problems with this. i would see packages.debian.org.
[12:58] <pedlar> alright
[12:58] <pedlar> is that a site or is that a repository
[12:58] <delire> pedlar enter you architecture into the search query field and see what is returned on the keywords gstreamer lame
[12:58] <pusling> pedlar: site
[12:58] <delire> pedlar it's a package search site for debian GNU/linux systems
[12:59] <delire> pedlar i use debian here, but not an amd64 arch, so i cannot search for you easily
[12:59] <psychonate> crimsun, I think it may be bittornado. I have heard people claim to have problems with it.
[12:59] <delire> pedlar i can however say there is a  gstreamer0.8-lame for my arch, i386
[01:00] <pedlar> figured that the docs wouldn't lie
[01:00] <pedlar> maybe they would just be giving half-truth
[01:00] <pedlar> =\
[01:01] <delire> pedlar i doubt it.
[01:02] <delire> pedlar if the docs say your arch is supported, then it most likely will be unless support was recently removed.
[01:02] <pedlar> delire, it doesn't say any arch is supported
[01:02] <_Church_of_Foamy> how do i back up my entire hard drive using konserve?
[01:02] <delire> pedlar search the site i gave above
[01:02] <pedlar> delire, it just says to do things that way to be able to rip to cd
[01:02] <ompaul> delire, I said lost, well it was more like misplaced :)
[01:02] <ompaul> found it
[01:03] <kent> delire, pedlar the package is to be taken from hoary-extras according to the wiki, and that's a repo out of Ubuntus control. So its probably something wrong with the amd64 compilation.. since it seems to be working for most others..
[01:03] <delire> pedlar amd64 is not as well supported as some other platforms just yet.
[01:03] <delire> kent: right
[01:03] <pedlar> does that mean that i can't rip mp3's
[01:03] <psychonate> crimsun, I really don't want to just run x alone for a few days, so I will probably just eliminate one application at a time.
[01:03] <pedlar> or is there some other encoder i could use?
[01:03] <delire> do iPods support ogg vorbis?
[01:03] <IIIEars> mirror.espri.arizona.edu/debian-amd64/debian ????
[01:03] <pedlar> don't think so
[01:03] <mattlacey> pedlar: do you need the gstreamer plugin to rip to mp3?
[01:04] <kent> pedlar, that meen you should file a bug on bugzilla.ubuntu.com, perhaps?  or ask those who maintain hoary-extra :)
[01:04] <delire> pedlar shame
[01:04] <_Church_of_Foamy> they do if ya run podzilla
[01:04] <mattlacey> pedlar i just have lame and i use grip for my cds
[01:04] <delire> pedlar you may be able to install a debian package however. why not find the package and try?
[01:04] <toxicfume> crimsun: hey sorry, my internet got disconnected
[01:04] <pedlar> alright
[01:04] <pedlar> thanks for the help
[01:04] <crimsun> toxicfume: what's your progress?
[01:04] <pedlar> it wouldn't be so daunting if this wasn't the first time i was tryiing to use linux for a main system
[01:05] <toxicfume> crimsun: well it installed without errors
[01:05] <mattlacey> pedlar: don't sweat it, it'll soon be second nature
[01:05] <crimsun> toxicfume: did it generate a deb in /usr/src/ ?
[01:05] <IIIEars> mirror.espri.arizona.edu/debian-amd64/debian ???? gstreamer ??
[01:05] <nemik> usage: url_encode [string] 
[01:05] <_Church_of_Foamy> pedlar: trust me it gets easyer the more you use it
[01:05] <toxicfume> crimsun: let me check
[01:05] <nalioth> pedlar: you may have to (if you're still having probs) build lame and liblame from source
[01:05] <pedlar> i'm sure
[01:05] <nemik> does that mean i can do TEXT = `url_encode $TEXT`
[01:05] <nemik>  or it has to be TEXT = `url_encode [$TEXT] `
[01:05] <delire> pedlar: Ubuntu doesn't actively support non-free proprietary codecs like mp3, and for good reason. if you want a mainstream distribution that does, see mepis.org. it all works out of the box, but is ethically unsound.
[01:05] <pedlar> will it be possible for me to build gstreamer after that?
[01:06] <mattlacey> pedlar: anyway i'm sure there'll be an amd64 package for lame (as opposed to the gstreamer plugin)
[01:06] <darko__> i just compiled in OSS/free(don't wanna use alsa), everything is compiled in. i have ac97 or i8xx, and uses udev with a 2.6 kernel. how do i get it to work?
[01:06] <nalioth> pedlar: may i /msg you?
[01:06] <pedlar> nalioth, sure
[01:06] <toxicfume> crimsun: no, but i see a .tar.gz file in /usr/src
[01:06] <crimsun> toxicfume: there should be instructions in /usr/share/doc/ipw2200-source/README.Debian
[01:06] <toxicfume> crimsum: ipw2200-source.tar.gz
[01:07] <LostBlade> hi!
[01:07] <dpod> I'd like to remove the configuring network and checkung ntp.ubuntu from the boot sequence (and move it elsewhere) anybody know how to do it?
[01:07] <LostBlade> how do i mount /var/www to samba?
[01:07] <toxicfume> crimsun: that folder doesn't exist
[01:07] <shinu> pusling: does this: ide_cd 38532  2 mean ide_cd is used by 2 other modules? how do i check what those are?
[01:07] <dpod> I want to do this because I need to reformat the network interfaces anyway after booting
[01:08] <darko__> no dsp's in /dev ...
[01:08] <delire> dpod: see /etc/network/interfaces perhaps?
[01:08] <pusling> shinu: yes, I_think. Havent done it for a long time ;)
[01:08] <Johnnyfav> dir
[01:08] <delire> dpod: remove 'auto' from the interface being configured, or comment those blocks out altogether.
[01:08] <crimsun> toxicfume: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=ipw2200-source&version=unstable&arch=all begs to differ
[01:08] <Johnnyfav> is there a way to bypass Grub boot and boot directly to windows?
[01:08] <dpod> delire: But where are blocks
[01:08] <delire> dpod: the script that is executed however on startup is /etc/init.d/networking
[01:09] <nalioth> Johnnyfav: sure, nuke your mbr
[01:09] <pusling> shinu: you can see on some other line <module name> <number> <number> ide_cd
[01:09] <delire> dpod : i wouldn't reccommend manipulating that however
[01:09] <LostBlade> can anyone tell me how do i mount /var/www to samba? please??
[01:09] <mattlacey> johnnyfav: 1st - why? ;) and 2nd... use the windows cd, go to it's rescue mode and do fixmbr
[01:09] <Johnnyfav> har d har har
[01:09] <pusling> shinu: And I wish you luck - and then I think my bed needs me ;)
[01:09] <nemik> how would i use the url_encode function from here: http://djini.de/software/shell/ghit in a shell script?
[01:09] <Johnnyfav> fix mbr?
[01:09] <pedlar> !marrilat
[01:09] <ubotu> pedlar: Are you smoking crack?
[01:10] <Chislon> are mandriva and ubuntu alot different? someone i know who is also new to linux is doing mandriva, so just wondering if he and i woiuld be able to help each other figure things out or if theya re too different?
[01:10] <shinu> pusling: ok gnights :) although i dont think ill crack this xD
[01:10] <pedlar> !marillat
[01:10] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, pedlar
[01:10] <shinu> pusling: i think ill just pull out my cdrom xD
[01:10] <calc> ugh the xscreensaver ubuntu branding is gone
[01:10] <delire> dpod: i for instance have "auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces. this requests an IP from a DHCP server (my router) each boot.
[01:11] <delire> Chislon: alot is comparable, though the greatest difference is package management (eg installation, uninstallation, manipulation of packages).
[01:11] <dpod> delire: how/where are they called during boot?
[01:11] <Johnnyfav> ok...if I do fixmbr...how do I get grub back?
[01:11] <toxicfume> crimsun: hmm, okay i'll try again later, it's getting really late here. Thanksfor thehelp..i'll repeat the steps you told me again, thanks
[01:11] <delire> dpod: /etc/init.d/networking looks for entries in the /etc/network/interfaces for instructions
[01:11] <crimsun> toxicfume: no need to repeat them
[01:11] <mattlacey> johnnyfav: same thing but with a linux rescue cd
[01:11] <crimsun> toxicfume: just follow the documentation I pointed out
[01:11] <Johnnyfav> ic
[01:12] <darko__> please! no old oss users left?
[01:12] <crimsun> darko__: eh?
[01:12] <toxicfume> crimsun: which documentation isthat? I downt have that folder in /usr/share
[01:12] <Chislon> delire, ok thank you, when deciding on a linux distro... what all goes into a decision... like they basically just package different applications to start with, adn have the differnet package management, and different communities, is that it? but you can wiht any distro get any application that any other distro has, is this correct? and how many kinds of package management are there, and where is a good place that might let me rea
[01:12] <Chislon> d the differences in a way i might understand atleast some?
[01:12] <crimsun> toxicfume: you must
[01:12] <toxicfume> I really don't :S
[01:12] <crimsun> toxicfume: /usr/share/doc/ipw2200-source/
[01:12] <delire> Chislon: that's a good start yes.
[01:13] <kurt__> I'm trying to set up kernel 2.6.11 with the latest fglrx drivers with alien... but it keeps going to mesa... by any chance would any of you know why?
[01:13] <toxicfume> crimsun: oh!
[01:13] <toxicfume> one second
[01:13] <delire> Chislon: you've pretty much nailed it.
[01:13] <mattlacey> johnnyfav: you can use a knoppix cd too... run grub and then 2 lines: root(hd0,0)... setup(hd0) (i think)... with the correct partitions etc...
[01:13] <disasm> kurt__: whats in your xorg.conf?
[01:13] <Chislon> delire, ok thank you, do you know a good place to read those differences for the package management?
[01:13] <nalioth> Chislon: distrowatch.org? maybe
[01:13] <kurt__> disasm: it's pretty much default
[01:13] <disasm> kurt__: and why are you using alien?
[01:13] <Chislon> nalioth, ok thank you
[01:14] <delire> Chislon: there are only a small number (comparitively speaking) of applications which are not available across all distributions.
[01:14] <kurt__> because the fglrx driver doesn't work for 2.6.11 afaik?
[01:14] <dpod> delire: the problem I'm having is that I need to run wpa_supplicant and then reset my wlan0 after boot up; the result is that the network interface formatting on boot is just wasting time (especially the clock setting since that needs to happen after wpa_supplicant and resetting the wlan0 is done). I figured if I could move them out the startup and build a quick sh script, I'd be ahead of the game. Ideas or suggestions?
[01:14] <toxicfume> crimsun: ah yes i see it now
[01:14] <mattlacey> johnnyfav: it'll use your /etc/grub.conf from wherever you set the root
[01:14] <Chislon> i heard that ubuntu is new, but its like relativly new in temrs of the other distros i take it? because i also thought i heard its been around more than a year
[01:14] <nalioth> kurt is ready for an adventure
[01:14] <kurt__> indeed.
[01:14] <Chislon> delire, and then is there an equivalent application available for the distro that the specific app might not work for?
[01:14] <toxicfume> crimsun: the documentation is saying to install the prerequisite packages: build essential kernel-headers-$version, where can i get that file from?
[01:15] <disasm> kurt__: ah, i'm using a 2.6.10 so that might be true
[01:15] <delire> Chislon: the differences really are between package managers, not pacakge types per se. emerge == gentoo, apt == debian (and derivatives like ubuntu), rpm == redhat (and derivatives like Mandrake)
[01:15] <crimsun> toxicfume: you already have those
[01:15] <nalioth> Chislon: ubuntu is very user friendly & very user supported
[01:15] <crimsun> toxicfume: (Ubuntu uses linux-headers, not kernel-headers)
[01:15] <toxicfume> crimsun: ah okay
[01:15] <disasm> kurt__: if it's going to mesa, it's probly because your xorg.conf is saying ati for driver and not fglrx
[01:15] <chillywilly> lallala
[01:15] <chillywilly> breezy is really borked
[01:15] <chillywilly> :)
[01:16] <kurt__> disasm: It's using fglrx
[01:16] <benplaut> breezy is supposed to be borked
[01:16] <delire> kurt__: dpkg -l | grep flgrx
[01:16] <kent> bork bork.
[01:16] <chillywilly> gee, ya think?
[01:16] <delire> kurt__: and check fglrx is loaded with 'lsmod | grep fglrx
[01:16] <kurt__> it's there and there
[01:16] <mattlacey> what the hell does borked mean lol
[01:17] <limer> mattlacey: fubar
[01:17] <pedlar> borked=broke
[01:17] <delire> mattlacey == broken
[01:17] <delire> hehe i didn't mean it to come out quite like that. you get the idea
[01:17] <benplaut> messed up
[01:17] <chillywilly> b0rked
[01:17] <skora> reference to the swedish chef on the muppets
[01:17] <skora> IIRC
[01:17] <chillywilly> mmmm, bork, bork, bork, bork!
[01:18] <kurt__> the module is loading and working... but it's still using mesaGL
[01:18] <delire> kurt__ i don't know then. are you using the proprietary driver from ati.com?
[01:18] <mattlacey> what is wrong with breezy at the moment anyway? my friend's been using it for a while... bit less stable than hoary but not much else apart from that...
[01:18] <benplaut> bork sounds like something to eat
[01:18] <limer> chillywilly: I think you're mistaking . . . SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM!
[01:18] <chillywilly> swedish chef rules
[01:18] <kurt__> delire: yeah
[01:18] <kbrooks> uh.
[01:18] <chillywilly> limer: no, I am not
[01:18] <delire> kurt__ were you trying the xorg-fglrx package before this?
[01:18] <skora> gotta a q - anyone know where I can find jdong's ubp-build.py script at
[01:18] <benplaut> mattlacey: the instability is bad onb a work system
[01:18] <kbrooks> how do i setup fb?
[01:18] <limer> chillywilly: but love MP nevertheless
[01:18] <spanglesontoast> hmm
[01:18] <Chislon> nalioth, ok thank you, i hear that mandrake/mandriva is also good for a person new swithcing from windows, and delire, are those the only 3 kinds then? or are ther eomre?
[01:18] <delire> kbrooks: eek, careful with that gear
[01:19] <spanglesontoast> I guess I installed it ok
[01:19] <kbrooks> framebuffer
[01:19] <kent> mattlacey, you do know that it is the development version right?  (just checking..)
[01:19] <delire> spanglesontoast: glxinfo | grep direct
[01:19] <adam> how to downloaad WINEX?
[01:19] <kurt__> delire: yes.
[01:19] <kbrooks> delire: i dont like ths.....
[01:19] <Amaranth> cedega?
[01:19] <delire> kbrooks: yes, that's what i mean. it can really break stuff
[01:19] <kbrooks> too big.
[01:19] <Amaranth> adam: you have to pay for it
[01:19] <kurt__> but i've removed the xorg-driver-fglrx
[01:19] <nalioth> Chislon: you have the debian type systems, the RPM based systems and the source-based systems
[01:19] <adam> amaranth no WINEX
[01:19] <nalioth> sorry but i dont know what suse falls under
[01:19] <adam> winex is free
[01:19] <mattlacey> kent: yeah, but is there any serious problem with it?
[01:19] <adam> and the CVS of CEDEAGA too
[01:19] <Amaranth> adam: winex == cedega
[01:20] <delire> kurt__: ok. sigh. same problem one chap had earlier.
[01:20] <kent> mattlacey, as fare as I know, X dont work.
[01:20] <nalioth> Chislon: the debian type systems have the better (imho) pkg management
[01:20] <spanglesontoast> glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:20] <dpod> can anybody give me advice on where I can follow the boot sequence? I'm not getting how things are told to load up. My books stop at inittab but unless I'm stupid don't say how the stuff in init.d etc. gets started
[01:20] <adam> Amaranth : yes but when you DL it in CVS it's free
[01:20] <Amaranth> adam: it's much easier to just pay for cedega than use it from cvs
[01:20] <kbrooks> dpod: uh.....
[01:20] <adam> but i dont know HOW!
[01:20] <kurt__> delire: I'll look around. If I find a fix I'll let you know... heh. The current package in the ubuntu repo produces all sorts of artifacts, etc.
[01:20] <mattlacey> kent that's interesting... my friend's been running it with X just fine... hmm, odd :)
[01:20] <adam> i can't pay :s
[01:20] <kurt__> thanks
[01:20] <nalioth> adam: its also incomplete
[01:20] <kbrooks> adam: winecvs.sh
[01:20] <Amaranth> adam: as in, unless you plan on hacking on cedega you probably won't be able to get it working
[01:20] <kbrooks> adam: search winecvs.sh
[01:20] <spanglesontoast> I think I managed to get back into the old one some how
[01:20] <delire> spanglesontoast: the driver installed and you can confirm it's loaded with lsmod | grep fglrx
[01:20] <Amaranth> adam: #cedega might be able to help
[01:20] <kbrooks> adam: search winecvs.sh
[01:20] <kbrooks> adam: search winecvs.sh
[01:20] <kbrooks> adam: search winecvs.sh
[01:21] <Amaranth> kbrooks: Please don't do that again.
[01:21] <kent> dpod, init is the first thing that starts, so perhaps its the kernel..?
[01:21] <adam> winecvs.sh?
[01:21] <spanglesontoast> fglrx                 237312  0
[01:21] <kbrooks> adam: yeah.
[01:21] <Amaranth> adam: ask #cedega, they'll help you out
[01:21] <toxicfume> crimsun: i'm getting an error
[01:21] <spanglesontoast> is that installed?
[01:21] <kbrooks> kent: yah, init=/sbin/init
[01:21] <delire> spanglesontoast: it's loaded yes.
[01:21] <adam> ok
[01:21] <chillywilly> better breas
[01:21] <chillywilly> better subs
[01:21] <chillywilly> Cousins Subs!
[01:21] <chillywilly> w00t
[01:22] <spanglesontoast> how do I know if x.org is using it?
[01:22] <chillywilly> brb
[01:22] <dpod> kent: init is binary right? Is there a way of figuring out or editing what it does?
[01:22] <Amaranth> chillywilly: ...
[01:22] <chillywilly> bread*
[01:22] <kbrooks> dpod: init  looks in inittab
[01:22] <toxicfume> crimsun: it's saying that /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.10-5-386: No such file or directory
[01:22] <chillywilly> sorry, I fscked it up
[01:22] <delire> spanglesontoast: ok do this 'ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so.1'
[01:22] <delire> spanglesontoast: anything?
[01:22] <spanglesontoast> ls: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: No such file or directory
[01:22] <chillywilly> anyway, I am going to Cousins Subs ppl
[01:22] <chillywilly> and you're not
[01:22] <chillywilly> :)
[01:22] <adam> what is?
[01:22] <kbrooks> dpod: init is  binary, but its open src
[01:22] <delire> spanglesontoast: ok do this 'ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so.*'
[01:22] <chillywilly> cya
[01:22] <adam> amanth
[01:22] <delire> spanglesontoast anything now?
[01:22] <adam> a script?
[01:23] <kent> dpod, run "man inittab" and you will get some information of how to change things..
[01:23] <adam> amaranth : its a script?
[01:23] <kbrooks> adam: winecvs.sh is, yes
[01:23] <Chislon> nalioth and the debian system is called apt? and there is rpm, and then the emerge is open source? what does that mean i thought it was all open source
[01:23] <adam> i dl it
[01:23] <spanglesontoast> ls: /usr/lib/libGL.so.*: No such file or directory
[01:23] <adam> and know?
[01:23] <kbrooks> adam: exec it
[01:23] <adam> and now
[01:23] <adam> ok
[01:23] <adam> how?
[01:23] <kbrooks> adam: sh WineCVS.sh
[01:23] <adam> (sory i'm new)
[01:24] <adam> in terminal?
[01:24] <delire> spanglesontoast: odd
[01:24] <kbrooks> Chislon: yes, yes, and yes. all  3 arre open src
[01:24] <adam> what i type in terminal?
[01:24] <kbrooks> adam: that line
[01:25] <adam> ?
[01:25] <kbrooks> adam:
[01:25] <mattlacey> chislon: rpm and apt are systems for distributing binary packages... emerge is distributing sources which are then compiled
[01:25] <kbrooks> adam: sh WineCVS.sh
[01:25] <delire> spanglesontoast: can you browse to that directory and look for files like libGL.so.*
[01:25] <spanglesontoast> ok
[01:25] <adam> sh WineCVS.sh
[01:25] <adam> but he dont find !
[01:25] <GammaRay> delire: rpm and apt are nothing alike. rpm and dpkg however are
[01:25] <spanglesontoast> nothing in there
[01:25] <GammaRay> doh
[01:25] <kbrooks> GammaRay: incorrect
[01:26] <adam> sh: wineCVS.sh: Aucun fichier ou rpertoire de ce type
[01:26] <GammaRay> that was meant for noone in partuicular (-;
[01:26] <delire> GammaRay: i never said they were strictly alike.
[01:26] <kbrooks> GammaRay:  correction:
[01:26] <adam> kbrooks : sh: wineCVS.sh: Aucun fichier ou rpertoire de ce type
[01:26] <Chislon> so thats why its called open source because ur using the source adn the others are using packages... ok..  and to find out the differences between these types adn the difference between doing a binary package adn source, distrowatch.org is ag ood place?
[01:26] <matteorox> hi all
[01:26] <adam> amaranth : sh: wineCVS.sh: Aucun fichier ou rpertoire de ce type
[01:26] <kbrooks> adam:
[01:26] <matteorox> i have just installed ubuntu
[01:26] <kbrooks> stop it.
[01:26] <GammaRay> kbrooks: anytime now
[01:26] <spanglesontoast> only that /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1
[01:26] <adam> kbrooks :?
[01:26] <Amaranth> adam: stop directing that to me, i know nothing about it
[01:26] <kbrooks> Chislon: pm?
[01:26] <adam> amaranth : ok srry
[01:26] <LinuxJones> matteorox, welcome aboard :)
[01:26] <matteorox> i added some debian repositories, but it tell me it can't found publc key...
[01:26] <kbrooks> Chislon: can i  pm u
[01:26] <adam> so
[01:27] <Chislon> ya
[01:27] <matteorox> how solve problem ?
[01:27] <adam> no one can help me
[01:27] <Chislon> you dont have to ask :)
[01:27] <adam> ?
[01:27] <delire> spanglesontoast: again, very strange. i don't know. did you have xorg-fglrx installed before?
[01:27] <kbrooks> Chislon: no wait
[01:27] <Amaranth> matteorox: don't add debian repositories, they aren't compatible
[01:27] <adam> kbrooks : you can't help me about it
[01:27] <adam> ?
[01:27] <kbrooks> Chislon: do you UNDERSTAND open  source?
[01:27] <nalioth>  <mumble> save us from n00bs</mumble>
[01:27] <GammaRay> kbrooks: well if you're not going to say how you think I'm incorrect....
[01:27] <LinuxJones> matteorox, do you know about the universe and multiverse repositories ?
[01:27] <matteorox> Amaranth, really ?
[01:27] <mattlacey> chislon: open source means the source code is available to anyone... the package management systems aren't strictly intertwined with the license the packages are governed by
[01:27] <medkit> Anyone interested in an operating system wich only prints test pages? It's free.
[01:27] <nalioth> Amaranth: not even deb-src repos?
[01:27] <knoppix> does anyone know how large the default ubuntu installation is?  I searched the ubuntu website but couldn't find a good system requirements page.
[01:28] <spanglesontoast> yea
[01:28] <tiefox> hello...can anyone help me with an sound problem ?
[01:28] <kbrooks> GammaRay: dpkg is used by apt
[01:28] <matteorox> LinuxJones, nope..what is it ?
[01:28] <spanglesontoast> I used the ubuntu one
[01:28] <GammaRay> kbrooks: so?
[01:28] <Amaranth> nalioth: those should be fine, as long as your just getting the source and not building them blindly
[01:28] <knoppix> Will Ubuntu work well on a 5 GB partition?
[01:28] <matteorox> LinuxJones, where can i find information about ?
[01:28] <nalioth> knoppix: less than 3.5
[01:28] <GammaRay> kbrooks: I never said it was not
[01:28] <skora> tiefox, giving us some more detailed information would help us ;] 
[01:28] <adam> Who can help me in the WINEX?
[01:28] <kbrooks> GammaRay: dpkg is LOW LEVEL
[01:28] <nalioth> Amaranth: i've got lots of deb-src (redheaded stepchild PPC user that i am)
[01:28] <GammaRay> kbrooks: are you trying to make my point?
[01:28] <Chislon> i think i understand the basic concept, but im not an expert, open source, anyone can look at it, free as in freedom of speech not as in price tag, ability to see and modify and use source as you like
[01:28] <Amaranth> adam: /join #cedega
[01:28] <crimsun> toxicfume: hmm, it should be looking for linux-headers, not kernel-headers
[01:29] <kbrooks> GammaRay: yes.
[01:29] <LinuxJones> matteorox, basically it's a whole bunch of packages. Most of the software in Debian is in those repos
[01:29] <GammaRay> kbrooks: comparing apt to rpm is wrong. comparing it to urpmi makes more sense
[01:29] <delire> spanglesontoast: you need to purge that old xorg package and reinstall the ati fglrx deb you made.
[01:29] <knoppix> Is a 5 gb partition too small for a 3.5 GB installation?  Is there a way to make it smaller while still keeping Gnome?
[01:29] <adam> ok thx
[01:29] <Amaranth> LinuxJones: most=all, afaik
[01:29] <delire> spanglesontoast: sadly i have to go, it's very very late here.
[01:29] <GammaRay> kbrooks: afterall there *is* an apt for rpm
[01:29] <kbrooks> LinuxJones: the packages are compiled from src
[01:29] <matteorox> LinuxJones, ok...what have i to add to sources.list to take it all ?
[01:29] <spanglesontoast> ok
[01:29] <tiefox> skora: I was using ubuntu FINE with an Soyo Dragon Plus Motherboard and Realtek AC97 onboard sound
[01:29] <spanglesontoast> ty thou mate
[01:29] <Amaranth> GammaRay: what are you arguing about?
[01:29] <LinuxJones> matteorox, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[01:30] <tiefox> i just upgraded it to an ABIT motherboar with via ac97  ( via82xx ) onboard sound
[01:30] <kbrooks> Amaranth: he isnt arguing.
[01:30] <spanglesontoast> realtek ac97 my sub works hehe!
[01:30] <toxicfume> crimsun: but still, i don't have any file or folder with the name linux-headers in /usr/src/
[01:30] <Amaranth> kbrooks: what are you talking about then?
[01:30] <matteorox> LinuxJones, ok thanks..now i'll read
[01:30] <LinuxJones> kbrooks, I was trying to make it as easy to understand as possible :)
[01:30] <tiefox> now my sound comes with a lot of noise and bad quality... ( im sure that this new motherboard is OK...was just running it on slackware  )
[01:30] <Amaranth> tiefox: my via ac97 works perfectly
[01:30] <crimsun> toxicfume: did you install linux-headers-$(uname -r) like I said?
[01:30] <kbrooks> Amaranth: pleasse dont  butt in. we're talking about ..... well, dpkg == rpm etc
[01:30] <toxicfume> crimsun: i thought i did, let me try again
[01:31] <Amaranth> kbrooks: Trying to decide if I should make you stop or not.
[01:31] <toxicfume> crimsun: whats the command again? or could i get it from synaptics?
[01:31] <toxicfume> -s
[01:31] <crimsun> toxicfume: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:31] <toxicfume> okay
[01:31] <tiefox> I was wondering if it could be a problem from changing motherboards without reinstalling ubuntu...
[01:31] <kbrooks> Amaranth: Please don't firewall me and him.
[01:31] <Chislon> kbrooks did you see my response?
[01:32] <Amaranth> tiefox: shouldn't be a problem
[01:32] <Chislon> mattlacey, thank you for the info
[01:32] <kbrooks> Chislon: yes
[01:32] <Amaranth> tiefox: make sure the sound isn't turned down/muted
[01:32] <crimsun> kbrooks: dpkg vs. rpm is offtopic for #ubuntu, though. Try #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:32] <Chislon> kbrooks, so what am i doing now?
[01:32] <Amaranth> tiefox: aumix is good for checking that
[01:32] <japoeder> Does anyone have any tips for burning an audio cd out of mp3s?
[01:32] <Chislon> like i dint know if you were still wnating to pm me is what i mean
[01:32] <kbrooks> Chislon: nope. h/o
[01:33] <nalioth> japoeder: k3b, graveman or gnomebaker
[01:33] <Amaranth> japoeder: use k3b, gnomebaker, or graveman
[01:33] <Amaranth> nalioth: :D
[01:33] <mattlacey> japoeder: k3b is your best bet
[01:33] <crimsun> tiefox: cat /proc/asound/cards
[01:33] <crimsun> brb
[01:33] <Amaranth> breezy will have a new GNOME audio cd burner that rocks
[01:33] <japoeder> do I get that via synaptic
[01:33] <mattlacey> japoeder: you'll need the k3b-mp3 package as well
[01:33] <tiefox> the problem is bad sound quality with a lot of static
[01:33] <Chislon> kbrooks, well dinner is ready so im gonna go eat and then ill be back, so if your here and you want to talk to me and if that works for you then thats great, either way, thank you ofr your help
[01:33] <Amaranth> japoeder: yeah
[01:33] <nalioth> Amaranth: now i just need to tune in the lotto guy, eh?
[01:33] <kbrooks> Chislon|away: oj
[01:34] <kbrooks> ok*
[01:34] <Chislon|away> ?
[01:34] <tiefox> /proc/asound/cards
[01:34] <Chislon|away> oh ok, thank you
[01:34] <tiefox> 0 [V8235          ] : VIA8233 - VIA 8235
[01:34] <tiefox>                      VIA 8235 with ALC650D at 0xe000, irq 22
[01:34] <Amaranth> nalioth: lmao, share it with me :D
[01:34] <GammaRay> japoeder: try this perhaps http://s1x.homelinux.net/projects/serpentine/
[01:34] <Amaranth> GammaRay: that's the one going into breezy main as the default audio cd burning program for gnome
[01:34] <GammaRay> japoeder: it seems alpha though
[01:34] <Amaranth> GammaRay: i think it's in hoary universe though
[01:35] <Thazza>              ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[01:35] <Thazza> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[01:35] <Thazza> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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[01:35] <kbrooks> omfg
[01:35] <kbrooks> omfg
[01:35] <LinuxJones> laff
[01:35] <Thazza> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[01:35] <kbrooks> lol
[01:35] <Amaranth> Thazza: Please don't do that again.
[01:35] <Xenguy> Thazza: not cool
[01:35] <Xenguy> ahh, he's gone
[01:35] <benplaut> +++++++ j/k  :)
[01:35] <kbrooks> Thazza: Are you insane?
[01:35] <count0nz> God thats crazy
[01:35] <benplaut> yes, he is
[01:35] <GammaRay> should I not say anything if I thought it was cool? (-;
[01:36] <Amaranth> Thazza: I'll remove it in 15 minutes. Flood again and it'll be a 24 hour ban.
[01:36] <Amaranth> holy shit, 3/4" hail
[01:36] <forced> Haven't seen someone try to text flood since like 94... :/
[01:36] <japoeder> ok, I've got it but it hasn't come up in the sound and video section under applications.  I've refreshed the panel with killall in root, but it still isn't there.  Is there another way I am supposed to run and use this application?
[01:36] <kbrooks> Amaranth: yay
[01:36] <tiefox> i have sound outbut...be is with very bad quality and a lot of static...and back noise...
[01:36] <tiefox> output...sorry
[01:37] <IIIEars> should we all IM him? - heh?
[01:37] <kbrooks> IIIEars: No.
[01:37] <tiefox> i notice that oss  is still configured to use realtek
[01:37] <GammaRay> a cat probably just stepped on his keyboard
[01:37] <benplaut> IIIEars: that was funny the last time
[01:38] <toxicfume> crimsun: looks like module assistant is doing its work better now
[01:38] <benplaut> with Andrew_
[01:38] <crimsun> tiefox: do you have any better luck with alsa-source from universe?
[01:38] <tiefox> didnt try it..
[01:38] <tiefox> it was working perfectly with the other motherboard...
[01:38] <tiefox> in gnome sound control
[01:39] <tiefox> in preferences...
[01:39] <tiefox> i get Realtek for OSS ..and VIA for alsa
[01:39] <tiefox> i guess this is where the problem is..
[01:39] <crimsun> tiefox: no, that's inconsequential
[01:39] <crimsun> tiefox: because alsa's oss emulation modules are loaded, there are two different mixer "views" presented
[01:40] <crimsun> tiefox: you should use the alsa perspective
[01:41] <crimsun> tiefox: paste the output from amixer onto pastebin.com
[01:41] <toxicfume> crimsun: i have to extract the firmware files tothe hotplug directory, whats the ommand to extract files into the directory?
[01:41] <japoeder> I've got k3b but it hasn't come up in the sound and video section under applications.  I've refreshed the panel with killall in root, but it still isn't there.  Is there another way I am supposed to run and use this application?  Also, I the mp3 package doesn't seem to be in any of the repositories I have.  Which one is it in?
[01:42] <celcik> I need help getting my wirless card detected wish someone could give any type of clue what I am doing wrong
[01:42] <tiefox> ok
[01:43] <nalioth> japoeder: if you are using gnome, i doubt k3b will show up
[01:43] <benplaut> celcik: what kind of card?
[01:43] <nalioth> japoeder: i've had it for months, and it hasnt shown up yet. i start it with "run application"
[01:43] <celcik> benplaut: proxim 8470 (atheros based) I always get this: 0000:02:04.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments: Unknown device ac54 (rev 01)
[01:43] <japoeder> so, in root just type "run application k3b"?
[01:43] <crimsun> toxicfume: just cd /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware
[01:44] <crimsun> toxicfume: then tar xfz /path/to/ipw2200firmware.tar.gz
[01:44] <benplaut> celcik: what does "sudo iwconfig" show?
[01:44] <nalioth> japoeder: no. in the gnome menu, click "run application" and type k3b in the blank
[01:44] <japoeder> ahhh, gotcha
[01:44] <mez> ANYONE HERE ON TEH pgp STRONG SET, PREFERABLY IN LONDON?
[01:44] <mez> damn caps
[01:44] <nalioth> japoeder: don't run anything as root that is not necessary
[01:44] <toxicfume> crimsun: okay, thanks
[01:44] <nalioth> mez: damn cats
[01:44] <celcik> Benplaut: it shows no wirless connection
[01:44] <tiefox> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/295201
[01:44] <mez> lol naliotj
[01:44] <Amaranth> mez: Why do you need someone from the strong set?
[01:44] <mez> lol nalioth *
[01:44] <benplaut> so no atho?
[01:45] <benplaut> *ath0
[01:45] <mez> Amaranth, to get someone to sign my key :D
[01:45] <celcik> benplaut: exactly no ath0
[01:45] <Amaranth> mez: I think some of the ubuntu devs are in the strong set and live in the UK somewhere.
[01:45] <japoeder> I appreciate the help, thanks.
[01:45] <benplaut> celcik: is the card supported by MadWifi?
[01:45] <mez> yeah I know Amaranth , trying to get in touch with keybuk (he's in my hoke town) but he's always a pain in the ass to try and catch
[01:45] <toxicfume> crimsun: okay, i did that already, now how can i start the wireless connection?
[01:45] <celcik> benplaut: yes and the cardbus controller is supposed to supported to
[01:46] <benplaut> celcik: and the lights aren't on, i suppose
[01:46] <celcik> benplaut: cardbus controller is Texas Instruments TI1620
[01:46] <benplaut> do other cardbus cards work?
[01:46] <crimsun> toxicfume: you have to unload the current ipw2200* and ieee* modules
[01:47] <occy> 1.2M swim, 56M bike, 13.1M run -- June 5th.  Wish me luck on my 1/2 Ironman guys!
[01:47] <crimsun> toxicfume: then load the new ones
[01:47] <occy> crimsun, :)
[01:47] <crimsun> occy: g'luck
[01:47] <toxicfume> crimsun: how can i do that?
[01:47] <celcik> benplaut: not sure if other cardbus cards work but the proxim works fine on other notebooks with linux... i tried it
[01:47] <occy> crimsun, :)
[01:47] <occy> crimsun, I'll let you know how it all works out.
[01:47] <crimsun> occy: excellent
[01:47] <crimsun> toxicfume: modprobe -r
[01:47] <Chislon> kbrooks, im back
[01:47] <benplaut> celcik: does it work on liveCDs, IE Mepis?
[01:47] <toxicfume> crimsun: no output
[01:48] <benplaut> brb
[01:48] <crimsun> toxicfume: you have to modprobe -r <list of modules>
[01:48] <toxicfume> oh
[01:48] <celcik> benplaut: not on this notebook - hp zv5260,  on others with live cds it works fine
[01:48] <toxicfume> crimsun: how do i know the modules list?
[01:48] <crimsun> toxicfume: via lsmod
[01:49] <keffo> its back again - in 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 seconds \o/
[01:49] <kbrooks> Chislon: well, ubuntu has .... apt and uses it.
[01:49] <kbrooks> Chislon: Ubuntu is based on Debian.
[01:49] <celcik> benplaut: it is supposed to work though on this,  everything is supported
[01:49] <Chislon> kbrooks, ok
[01:49] <celcik> I just don't understand why it won't
[01:50] <toxicfume> crimsun: so i can remove anything that's ipw2200* and ieee* that is in the lsmod list, am i right?
[01:50] <crimsun> tiefox: your Master and PCM levels are up really high - too high, in fact
[01:50] <crimsun> toxicfume: correct. Remember dependencies work top-down
[01:50] <kbrooks> Chislon: apt relies on the "low level" program, dpkg.
[01:50] <toxicfume> crimsun: okay, and then after that, how do i load the new drives? modprobe ipw2200?
[01:51] <crimsun> toxicfume: did you install the new ipw2200 driver deb?
[01:51] <celcik> I put up this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39379 it is the same problem i have in all distributions not just breezy
[01:51] <kbrooks> Chislon: apt downloads the pkg and execs dpkg w/ the path to the package.
[01:51] <Chislon> kbrooks, ok
[01:52] <kbrooks> Chislon: (in a subprocess)
[01:52] <toxicfume> crimsun: well i followed the instructions from the readme file in /usr/share/doc/ipw2200
[01:52] <benplaut> celcik: i'd say that your problem is more with the carbus port than the wifi card... i can't help you with that...
[01:52] <bolivar> can i blindly trust the packages in uni and multiverse?
[01:52] <tiefox> crumsun: i was using this high with the other motherboard...i got my sound card plugged into my stereo ..and i control the sound throught the stereo
[01:52] <crimsun> bolivar: you shouldn't blindly trust anything or anyone
[01:52] <Chislon> kbrook, meaning if you do apt-get tuxracer it will find, download, and install it?  like the port for bsd? are rpm or source different from this, how does it find where tod ownload it form?
[01:53] <crimsun> bolivar: but I'd certainly trust them a lot more than packages from external repos
[01:53] <celcik> benplaut: thanks I think thats whats wrong too... do you know anyone who could help ??
[01:53] <bolivar> i dont.  you understand the context of the question i assume
[01:53] <kbrooks> kbrooks: apt-get install ...
[01:53] <kbrooks> Chislon: *
[01:53] <bolivar> so uni and multi are not public?
[01:53] <bolivar> i was mistaken then
[01:53] <crimsun> bolivar: yes, they're public, and they're on ubuntu servers.
[01:53] <Chislon> kbrooks, i dont know what tha tmeans
[01:53] <Chislon> kbrooks, oh ok
[01:53] <toxicfume> crimsun: so can i go ahead and modprobe ipw2200?
[01:53] <nalioth> bolivar: those pkgs are not suppprted by ubuntu developers
[01:54] <strider> does anyone knows how to fix CUPS?
[01:54] <kbrooks> Chislon: rpm (the program) takes a PATH to a rpm.
[01:54] <nalioth> bolivar: but you can use them, and get help on irc
[01:54] <crimsun> toxicfume: once you unload all the modules related to ipw2200 and its dependencies
[01:54] <Chislon> kbrooks, i dont know the difference between that and waht you jsut said to me
[01:54] <kbrooks> Chislon: then it installs it.
[01:54] <toxicfume> crimsun: okay, i guess i've done that :)
[01:55] <bolivar> the support isnt an issue.  just not desiring anything 'hiding' in the package
[01:55] <crimsun> bolivar: yes, you can trust them in that sense.
[01:55] <bolivar> ok very good
[01:55] <kbrooks> Chislon: apt and rpm are different  in that apt searches and uses a program internally
[01:55] <bolivar> thanks a bunch
[01:55] <nalioth> Chislon: if you go to www.tldp.org you will find a wealth of info on how linux works (rpm, apt, etc)
[01:55] <kbrooks> Chislon: rpm takes an argument. rpm /path/to/rpm.rpm
[01:56] <Chislon> nalioth, ok thank you
[01:56] <_Church_of_Foamy> anyone know how to make a complete backup of your system?
[01:56] <Chislon> kbrooks, but they have to find the program on line first and download it right?
[01:56] <kbrooks> Chislon: it then installs the rrpm.
[01:56] <kbrooks> Chislon: yes
[01:56] <toxicfume> crimsun: i'm getting an error with modprobe ipw2200
[01:56] <crimsun> good, I expected you would.
[01:56] <GammaRay> _Church_of_Foamy: try cpio
[01:56] <_Church_of_Foamy> ok thanx
[01:56] <toxicfume> crimsun: i screwed up the drivers now? :/
[01:57] <kbrooks> Chislon: same goes with USING dpkg MANUALLY
[01:57] <thor|away> Chislon: apt uses repositories at certain locations on the net so you don't have to search for apps on the web
[01:57] <kbrooks> Chislon: btw, i botched what i said
[01:57] <crimsun> toxicfume: no, you're fine
[01:57] <kbrooks> Chislon: dpkg -i /path/to/deb.deb
[01:57] <crimsun> toxicfume: you just need to remove the older modules
[01:58] <Chislon> kbrooks, well i dont know what that means so its ok lol
[01:58] <toxicfume> crimsun: didn't removing them from lsmod do that?
[01:58] <kbrooks> Chislon: -i == install
[01:58] <Chislon> kbrooks,  and so manually using dpkg would be having to find the program yourself and downloading it and then installing or?
[01:58] <GammaRay> _Church_of_Foamy: however I usually perfer a program like unison or rsync
[01:58] <kbrooks> Chislon: either that,  OR using options.
[01:58] <crimsun> toxicfume: no, that only unloads them from memory. It does not physically delete them.
[01:58] <Chislon> kbrooks, == means approximatly? as opposed to = ?
[01:59] <toxicfume> crimsun: oh okay, so where and how do i delete them from?
[01:59] <crimsun> toxicfume: you should be getting errors with ieee80211*
[01:59] <toxicfume> crimsun: yes thats what the errors are with
[01:59] <GammaRay> Chislon: ~ means approximatly == is just the C version of =
[01:59] <kbrooks> Chislon: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /path/to/pkg.deb forces overwriting
[01:59] <Chislon> GammaRay, oh ok thank you
[01:59] <Chislon> kbrooks, ok.. i dont know enough to realy be able to understand that tho
[02:00] <_Church_of_Foamy> i need a backup utility thats freindly and gui based to backup one hd to another
[02:00] <kbrooks> Chislon: it CAN be DANGEROUS, but it's useful.
[02:00] <celcik> well thanks benplaut for at least listening to the problem :)
[02:00] <_Church_of_Foamy> that cpio seems a little to complicatd for me lol
[02:00] <benplaut> 'welcome :)
[02:00] <kbrooks> Chislon: man dpkg and man apt.
[02:00] <_Church_of_Foamy> <--windows free for 29 days and lovin it ^_^
[02:01] <GammaRay> _Church_of_Foamy: unison has a gui
[02:01] <kbrooks> Chislon: use them.
[02:01] <_Church_of_Foamy> and it will let me backup?
[02:01] <Chislon> kbrooks, ok..
[02:01] <crimsun> toxicfume: ok. Paste the output from the following onto pastebin.com: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name 'ipw2200.ko'
[02:01] <kbrooks> Chislon: also, someone linked you to TLDP
[02:01] <kbrooks> use that....too....
[02:01] <Chislon> ok
[02:01] <sinope[crashed] > hi hi
[02:01] <GammaRay> _Church_of_Foamy: what it does is sync a local foler w/ a remote folder. Not compressed, but a backup.
[02:01] <toxicfume> crimsun: i don't know if i can do that, can't access online right now withthe laptop (ethernet is disabled)
[02:02] <sinope[crashed] > my slackware box blew up
[02:02] <_Church_of_Foamy> hmmm
[02:02] <sinope[crashed] > and i think i will put ubuntu on it
[02:02] <sinope[crashed] > i have only one question
[02:02] <crimsun> toxicfume: sure you can.
[02:02] <crimsun> toxicfume: just run it and type out the output here
[02:02] <sinope[crashed] > will i be able to mount a certain partition as /home and leave the contents intact?
[02:02] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : Fire away.
[02:02] <crimsun> toxicfume: it should be at most 2 lines regardless
[02:02] <_Church_of_Foamy> so will i be able to backup my entire hard drive with it onto another hard drive?
[02:02] <sinope[crashed] > like i could during slackware install?
[02:02] <LinuxJones> sinope[crashed] , yeah
[02:02] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : yes
[02:02] <GammaRay> _Church_of_Foamy: is this over a network?
[02:02] <sinope[crashed] > okay, so it will let me handle paritioning
[02:03] <sinope[crashed] > good :)
[02:03] <_Church_of_Foamy> nope
[02:03] <gerardo> hola
[02:03] <_Church_of_Foamy> all on the same puter
[02:03] <LinuxJones> sinope[crashed] , the installer is very good
[02:03] <toxicfume> crimsun: i got 2 dir entries: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200/ipw2200.ko
[02:03] <sinope[crashed] > i have a paper due monday, so i need something that Just Works(TM)
[02:03] <GammaRay> _Church_of_Foamy: you might as well just use cp then
[02:03] <sinope[crashed] > thanks guys :)
[02:03] <_Church_of_Foamy> cp?
[02:03] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : inadvisble if /home has contents
[02:03] <LinuxJones> sinope[crashed] , have you tried the Hoary Live CD ?
[02:03] <toxicfume> crimsun: and /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko
[02:03] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, why?
[02:03] <sinope[crashed] > LinuxJones, i'm on knoppix ATM
[02:04] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : vfs masks, thats why
[02:04] <GammaRay> _Church_of_Foamy: command line program for copying files
[02:04] <_Church_of_Foamy> whats cp?
[02:04] <LinuxJones> sinope[crashed] , perfect
[02:04] <_Church_of_Foamy> oh ok
[02:04] <_Church_of_Foamy> lol
[02:04] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks.... does this mean i'll lose the contents of /home ?
[02:04] <crimsun> toxicfume: paste the contents of /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/drivers/net/wireless/ in #flood
[02:04] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : no
[02:04] <GammaRay> _Church_of_Foamy: simple enought: cp -a / /mnt/new_hdd
[02:04] <sinope[crashed] > hmm. so what am I missing?
[02:04] <_Church_of_Foamy> i was gonna use konserve can it do that?
[02:04] <_Church_of_Foamy> oh ok
[02:04] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : it just HIDES thhe EXISTING /home
[02:04] <GammaRay> _Church_of_Foamy: and unlike windows, you *can* actually have it copy everything
[02:05] <_Church_of_Foamy> oh nice
[02:05] <sinope[crashed] > ummm
[02:05] <Dvondrake> hi
[02:05] <sinope[crashed] > i don't understand
[02:05] <_Church_of_Foamy> can konserve do the same thing?
[02:05] <sinope[crashed] > so i can't just say
[02:05] <sinope[crashed] > "use /dev/hdb1 as /home and leave contents intact"
[02:05] <Dvondrake> i have a question about ubunbu and windows (in general)
[02:05] <mpq> I have a problem
[02:05] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : you CAN.
[02:05] <LinuxJones> sinope[crashed] , you can do that
[02:05] <GammaRay> never used it
[02:05] <mpq> every so often something will screw up
[02:05] <mpq> and I can't click
[02:05] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, aah, ok.  that's all i want to do. :)
[02:05] <mpq> whenever I try to click on a window it acts as if I'm dragging it
[02:06] <Chislon> kbrooks, ok thank you, anything else you want to share with me?
[02:06] <Dvondrake> is it possible to use windows and linux at the same time, but when you boot up to be able to choose which os you want to use?
[02:06] <mpq> and it stops responding to everything
[02:06] <sinope[crashed] > Dvondrake, yes
[02:06] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : just vfs hides the existing /home till u umount
[02:06] <mpq> and I have to turn off the computer by unplugging it
[02:06] <mpq> how do I fix it?
[02:06] <toxicfume> crimsun: pasted
[02:06] <Dvondrake> ok, and will i have to reformat anything?
[02:06] <crimsun> toxicfume: great.
[02:06] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, but this is nothing to worry about, right?
[02:06] <Chislon> i probably just didnt look hard enough, but i dont see on the site where it says when unbuntu first started?
[02:07] <Chislon> er ubuntu sorry
[02:07] <crimsun> toxicfume: sudo rm -rf /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ieee80211/
[02:07] <CiRkiT> hello
[02:07] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : it's best to rm -rf /home and recreate it if its not blank
[02:07] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : right
[02:07] <nalioth> Dvondrake: yes, it is called a boot menu, and ubuntu will provide you one if it senses windows
[02:07] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, ah, i understand
[02:07] <celcik> benplaut: iwconfig shows eth0 and one other one but none are ath0
[02:07] <Dvondrake> do i have to reformat my drive in any way to have both windows and ubuntu on?
[02:07] <_Church_of_Foamy> whoa! it's even backing up my mp3 cd lol
[02:07] <crimsun> toxicfume: && sudo rm -rf /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200/
[02:07] <_Church_of_Foamy> neat
[02:07] <kbrooks> Dvondrake: no
[02:07] <Chislon> CiRkiT, hi
[02:08] <CiRkiT> for some reason when i try to edit my .fluxbox/menu file with an application i have here i save the file the way i modified it...but when i look in the menu it doesnt even show what i just modified
[02:08] <Dvondrake> so theres no chance of any data loss at all, right?
[02:08] <adam> bye
[02:08] <benplaut> well, i'm off to use KDE for a while
[02:08] <benplaut> brb
[02:08] <LinuxJones> Dvondrake, you just need to free up some space on your system's hard drive if there isn't any available right now
[02:08] <CiRkiT> does ubuntu prohibit you from editing certain files? lol
[02:08] <kbrooks> _Church_of_Foamy: mount points are flexible
[02:08] <sinope[crashed] > i can use a different WM right?
[02:08] <celcik> benplaut: if i try to get rid of the other wireless card would that help ?
[02:08] <ggeecko> is dashboard similar to beagle??
[02:08] <Dvondrake> ok, thanks
[02:08] <sinope[crashed] > anything that's in the Debian apt system?
[02:08] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : everything
[02:08] <GammaRay> _Church_of_Foamy: oh.. you might want to use the -x option to cp unless you want to backup mounted floppies and cds also.
[02:08] <sinope[crashed] > great!! :)
[02:08] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : tuxracer, you name it
[02:08] <LinuxJones> CiRkiT, yeah :)
[02:08] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, i was thinking more like TeX and ion3
[02:09] <Dvondrake> (i'm not saying i will, but..) is it easy to uninstall ubuntu and go back to windows?
[02:09] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, but tuxracer is fun too
[02:09] <_Church_of_Foamy> well i was gonna rip the mp3's off of it anyway
[02:09] <CiRkiT> LinuxJones, it doesnt let you?
[02:09] <CiRkiT> why is that...thats kinda dumb
[02:09] <toxicfume> crimsun: done, and then?
[02:09] <kbrooks> Dvondrake: yes
[02:09] <LinuxJones> CiRkiT, you can but you need to know the magic password
[02:09] <crimsun> toxicfume: sudo depmod -ae
[02:09] <Dvondrake> ok...
[02:09] <Dvondrake> now
[02:09] <sinope[crashed] > become root
[02:09] <CiRkiT> LinuxJones, ?
[02:09] <Dvondrake> just a very general question :P
[02:09] <sinope[crashed] > CiRkiT, man su
[02:09] <kbrooks> Dvondrake: ask
[02:09] <toxicfume> crimsun: okay
[02:10] <CiRkiT> sheesh
[02:10] <CiRkiT> thats nuts lol
[02:10] <Dvondrake> there isnt any way at all that i can lose any data on my hd, as it is now.
[02:10] <LinuxJones> CiRkiT, you have to have root permissions to access system level stuff like services and config files and the like.
[02:10] <Dvondrake> i just want to make sure
[02:10] <sinope[crashed] > ummm
[02:10] <Dvondrake> i'm kinda paranoid of that >.<
[02:10] <kbrooks> Dvondrake: there is!
[02:10] <toxicfume> crimsun: and then?
[02:10] <sinope[crashed] > i have a feeling this distro might be a little low-level for me
[02:10] <CiRkiT> LinuxJones, but i do have root permissions when i do it
[02:10] <sinope[crashed] > is it as powerful as debian?
[02:10] <nalioth> Dvondrake: you pushing the power button can void your system of data
[02:10] <nalioth> Dvondrake: with windoze or anything
[02:10] <kbrooks> partition  resizes can be botched!
[02:11] <Dvondrake> :o
[02:11] <crimsun> toxicfume: now make sure you don't have any ieee80211* or ipw2200* modules loaded
[02:11] <sinope[crashed] > i understand ubuntu is basically a streamlined debian
[02:11] <sinope[crashed] > but is it limited from debian?
[02:11] <LinuxJones> CiRkiT, open gnome-terminal and type sudo -s (enter your user password) and you should have a root terminal...be carefull of what you do in there it can take your system down very easily :)
[02:11] <kbrooks> Dvondrake: BACKUP YOUR DATA
[02:11] <Dvondrake> haha, yeah
[02:11] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : no
[02:11] <sinope[crashed] > i mean, is there anything i can do easily in debian that i can't do easily in ubuntu?
[02:11] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : no.
[02:11] <ggeecko> does anyone here syncs with the treo 650
[02:11] <Dvondrake> so ubuntu is totally safe, and even a newb can install it with no problems, right?
[02:11] <LinuxJones> sinope[crashed] , it basically is Debian
[02:11] <toxicfume> crimsun: yes they aren't loaded
[02:12] <CiRkiT> i was doing sudo -i LinuxJones ...i thought that was for root as well
[02:12] <crimsun> toxicfume: ok, now sudo modprobe ipw2200
[02:12] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, LinuxJones thanks guys. :) you have answered all my questions
[02:12] <kbrooks> Dvondrake: if you BACKUP, yes
[02:12] <sinope[crashed] > if all goes well i'll be back in af ew hours, running ubuntu
[02:12] <LinuxJones> sinope[crashed] , get working on that install :)
[02:12] <sinope[crashed] > :)
[02:12] <sevets> How do I see all of my drives?
[02:12] <Dvondrake> hmm... is there any chance of it messing up windows?
[02:12] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : ubuntu > slack
[02:12] <nalioth> Dvondrake: ubuntu is the most user friendly distro i've used (and i've been using linux for 5 years)
[02:12] <toxicfume> crimsun: still getting errors :/
[02:13] <Dvondrake> ok
[02:13] <kbrooks> Dvondrake: no. YOU can easily
[02:13] <Dvondrake> lol
[02:13] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, how's that?
[02:13] <CiRkiT> sudo -s still did me no good
[02:13] <LinuxJones> CiRkiT, either is fine
[02:13] <CiRkiT> gr r@ ubuntu
[02:13] <Dvondrake> well, you guys have convinced me (even more) to get ubuntu :P
[02:13] <sinope[crashed] > the thing i'm really looking forward to is being able to use apt-get
[02:13] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : huh?
[02:13] <Dvondrake> thanks!
[02:13] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : apt-cache etc
[02:13] <sinope[crashed] > <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : ubuntu > slack
[02:13] <nalioth> Dvondrake: with a standard install, not really, but ANYTHING can happen (thats why kbrooks sez BACKUP your data)
[02:13] <sinope[crashed] > ah.
[02:13] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : synaptic too
[02:13] <Dvondrake> ok
[02:14] <umass66> hi to all
[02:14] <toxicfume> crimsun: is it okay if we continue tomorrow? it's already 7 in the morning here :|
[02:14] <Dvondrake> but there arent any known bugs or glitches that have happened to some ubuntu users before while installing, right?
[02:14] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : synaptic is a graphical user interface to apt
[02:14] <Dvondrake> i just want to make sure since this is a new computer and i dont want to screw it up, plus i've never used linux before
[02:14] <nalioth> Dvondrake: each users hardware is different
[02:14] <crimsun> toxicfume: what sort? Use pastebin
[02:15] <kbrooks> Dvondrake: there can be. hint: hardware
[02:15] <crimsun> toxicfume: sure
[02:15] <sinope[crashed] > uh oh.
[02:15] <nalioth> Dvondrake: if your system is TOTALLY supported, ther eshould be no problems (backup what you want to keep)
[02:15] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : HARDWARE
[02:15] <sinope[crashed] > i think the ubuntu iso is about to fill up my knoppix ramdisk
[02:15] <Dvondrake> ok
[02:15] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, huh?
[02:15] <sinope[crashed] > what about hardware
[02:15] <Dvondrake> well, i just bought it about a month ago, so it should be :P
[02:15] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : misunderstood
[02:15] <Dvondrake> thanks, and you'll see my on ubuntu soon :P
[02:15] <Dvondrake> ... me*
[02:15] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : er, rboot to windows
[02:16] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : do you HAVE it?
[02:16] <sinope[crashed] > omg
[02:16] <crimsun> toxicfume1: it's fine if we continue later
[02:16] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, what!?
[02:16] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, i never used windows
[02:16] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : never?
[02:16] <Dvondrake> 0.0
[02:16] <kbrooks> ever?
[02:16] <Dvondrake> wha
[02:16] <kbrooks> EVER?
[02:16] <sinope[crashed] > well years ago
[02:16] <sinope[crashed] > but not in a long time
[02:16] <Dvondrake> i'm just going to leave this window open in case i think of anything i want to ask :P
[02:17] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : well, you need a OS or partition to put that ISO on
[02:17] <Mez> mez@apathy:~$ artsdsp audacity
[02:17] <Mez> /home/mez/.kde/share/config/gtkrc:37: error: unexpected identifier `gtk-alternative-button-order', expected keyword - e.g. `style'
[02:17] <Mez> Segmentation fault
[02:17] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, why would i want windows?
[02:17] <Mez> any ideas anyone
[02:17] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, i'll burn it to a cd.
[02:17] <toxicfume1> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/295215 <-- there's the error, anyways i gtg see ya later..thanks for all the help :)
[02:17] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, knoppix has k3b
[02:17] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : i KNOW
[02:17] <sinope[crashed] > kbrooks, NOOB :D
[02:17] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : DUDE! rude!
[02:17] <sinope[crashed] > </joke>
[02:17] <sinope[crashed] > <hug />
[02:18] <kbrooks> sinope[crashed] : ty.........
[02:18] <kbrooks> :P
[02:18] <Dvondrake> lol
[02:18] <sinope[crashed] > :P
[02:18] <Mez> sinope - shouldnt it be something liek
[02:18] <Mez> <hug person="kbrooks" />
[02:18] <Mez> or
[02:18] <kbrooks> LOL
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[02:18] <Mez> tyhough to be fair
[02:19] <Mez> neither are valid
[02:19] <kbrooks> Mez: XML  Syntax ERROR!
[02:19] <Mez> you havent specified a DTD
[02:19] <kbrooks> dtds > *
[02:19] <Mez> or opening / closing tags
[02:19] <locomorto> hey, has anyone here got a mx510 side buttons working properly?
[02:19] <Mez> mmmm
[02:19] <Mez> mx510
[02:19] <Mez> hehe :d I like MX 510s
[02:19] <kbrooks> Mez: that <... /> is OK
[02:20] <Mez> dont know hw to make them worek
[02:20] <Mez> butn they'#re shineh
[02:20] <Mez> not as shineh as a diamondback thoguh
[02:20] <locomorto> i got all the buttons doing something, but the back and forward button are the scroll wheel and vice versa
[02:20] <Mez> kbrooks, I'm messing about :D
[02:20] <locomorto> im using imwheel btw
[02:21] <locomorto> woot i found a good site
[02:21] <locomorto> http://pstudios.ath.cx/linhowtos/mx510.php
[02:21] <kbrooks> lol
[02:21] <kbrooks> well.
[02:21] <kbrooks> ill install GNOME
[02:21] <kbrooks> or should I for a server?
[02:23] <Dvondrake> oh
[02:23] <Dvondrake> forgot one question
[02:23] <dnys> nalioth: i broke one of my mac minis : (
[02:24] <locomorto> how did you do that?
[02:24] <Dvondrake> i'd need to create a partition in order to install ubuntu on a windows machine, still keeping windows intact and working 100% properly, right?
[02:24] <kbrooks> Dvondrake: uh-uh
[02:25] <dnys> locomorto: a 35lb dumbell rolled off my bed and right onto the mac mini i had open
[02:25] <Dvondrake> ermm... is that a no uh-uh or a yeah uh-uh
[02:25] <Dvondrake> cause i've heard both -.-
[02:25] <JDahl> Dvondrake, you need to shrink your windows partition, and then create new linux partitions on the free space
[02:26] <Dvondrake> lol ok
[02:26] <illicit> Can anyone tell me real quit what other IMing clients are availible besides Gaim?
[02:26] <Dvondrake> and the ubuntu installer can make and size the partitions for me, right?
[02:26] <illicit> quick*
[02:26] <dnys> illicit: nAIM
[02:26] <illicit> Thanks
[02:27] <dnys> illicit: its a term aim client
[02:27] <illicit> Dvondrake: No, you need something else like, partition magic to shrink the already partitioned partition
[02:27] <dnys> illicit: why do you need to use something other than gaim?
[02:27] <illicit> dnys: i don't like the giant ass windows :-P
[02:27] <JDahl> cant ubuntu shrink partitions? I thought Hoary could....
[02:27] <dnys> dnys: windows can be resized : )
[02:28] <i386> just hacking around here a little
[02:28] <dnys> illicit: i mean
[02:28] <illicit> Jdahl: i just installed hoary, and i dont think you can
[02:28] <dnys> im a fuckin tard
[02:28] <i386> I need to upgrade my version of libc on hoary to the one in breezy - im i looking at breakage?
[02:29] <JDahl> illicit, I've never tried it, but I thought parted was supposed to do that
[02:29] <illicit> i386: your upgrading libraries to an unstable OS?
[02:29] <i386> illicit, dude, im not freaking dumb
[02:29] <thorsten> h
[02:29] <illicit> JDahl: it can create new partitions but not shrink em
[02:29] <dnys> thoreauputic: do you use breezy?
[02:29] <i386> and I understand that there is a risk that my system will die
[02:29] <illicit> i386: i didnt say you were i was asking a question lol
[02:29] <i386> illicit, oh :P
[02:29] <thoreauputic> dnys: no - i'm not a masochist *grin*
[02:29] <nalioth> breezy can cause system failure, yes
[02:30] <illicit> :-D
[02:30] <dnys> thoreauputic: i didnt think so : D
[02:30] <i386> nalioth, you dont say :P
[02:30] <illicit> ahaha
[02:30] <illicit> i386: don't be so sarcastic, haha
[02:30] <synd> god forsaken NickServ
[02:30] <Dvondrake> oh?
[02:31] <i386> illicit, i cant help it
[02:31] <i386> :P
[02:31] <Dvondrake> i thought ubuntu installer could make partitions
[02:31] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hey thoreauputic you ever get an error activating XKB configuration window popup on startup ?
[02:31] <illicit> Dvondrake: I just installed it twice, you can but you cannot resize partitions
[02:31] <thoreauputic> Pop_pa_FrEaK: never done it...
[02:32] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hmmm trying to figure out how to fix it
[02:32] <illicit> Dvondrake: When you install windows, it takes the entire partition soo if you have a 20 gig hdd, it probably uses 19.5 of it fro Windows
[02:32] <Dvondrake> oh
[02:32] <illicit> the rest goes to the primary part. (boot record)
[02:32] <spanglesontoast> Q:      What do Winnie the Pooh and John the Baptist have in common?
[02:32] <spanglesontoast> A:      The same middle name.
[02:32] <spanglesontoast> haha lol
[02:33] <illicit> lol
[02:33] <illicit> spanglesontoast: that was the funniest thing ive seen all day
[02:33] <spanglesontoast> don't worry you will pass away very quickly
[02:33] <Dvondrake> but what i mean is, how would i make the partitions work so part of my hd is windows and part is ubuntu? would the ubuntu installer do that for me? (sorry if im kinda being a newb, im new to partitions and linux)
[02:33] <synd> wtf
[02:33] <synd> can you not connect to multiple servers with xchat
[02:34] <illicit> Dvondrake: Okay, ill try to explain.
[02:34] <Razor-X> o_O
[02:34] <illicit> synd: yes you can
[02:34] <Razor-X> today's featured article on Wikipedia is Windows XP!!!!!!!
[02:34] <synd> illicit: ah, just figured it out : )
[02:34] <illicit> Dvondrake: In order to resize a partition you need a program called Partition Magic, i would post it for you but im afraid my isp will send me another letter lol
[02:35] <illicit> Dvondrake: How big is your current Hard Drive?
[02:35] <illicit> synd: Lol good job :-D
[02:35] <Dvondrake> 200 gig
[02:35] <spanglesontoast> hehe got another
[02:35] <spanglesontoast> Q:      What lies on the bottom of the ocean and twitches?
[02:35] <Dvondrake> illicit: 200 gig*
[02:35] <Dvondrake> lol
[02:35] <spanglesontoast> A:      A nervous wreck.
[02:35] <spanglesontoast> hahaha hehe
[02:36] <wal> anyone got mame working well with ubuntu?
[02:36] <illicit> Dvondrake: Alright, how much time do you plan to be spending on Ubuntu?
[02:36] <Dvondrake> hmm...
[02:36] <illicit> Dvondrake: is it just for learning, or do you know enough to keep it?
[02:36] <dell500> i've got 3d acceleration working for my 9600xt card, it was working fine, but now since the comp has been on it's really sluggish
[02:36] <illicit> Dvondrake: PM me
[02:36] <Dvondrake> ok
[02:38] <exwindozeuser> would anyone be able to tell me how I can obtain write-access to a file in the /etc/network directory, when permission is set for only root access? :)
[02:38] <kbrooks> exwindozeuser: chmod o+w /etc/network/file
[02:40] <random_> hello
[02:40] <exwindozeuser> kbrooks: ok thanks, booting back into ubuntu :P
[02:40] <dooglus> how can I tell from the command line whether a package is from main, restricted, universe or multiverse?
[02:41] <kbrooks> dooglus: apt-cache show?
[02:41] <random_> Ok i have a problem. i just got ubuntu and it wont autodetect my sound card so i have no sound. i dont have an onboard so this is the only option. can someone walk me through getting this to work please?
[02:41] <spanglesontoast> is there a way of getting smiles in x-chat?
[02:41] <LinuxJones> dooglus, apt-cache policy packagname
[02:42] <kbrooks> brb
[02:42] <celcik> why does it seem I am still having this bug ? http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2944  wasn't that fixed ???
[02:42] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> anyone tried the 3d desktop yet ?
[02:42] <dooglus> LinuxJones: that's what I was looking for.  nice one!
[02:43] <LinuxJones> dooglus, ;)
[02:43] <Johnnyfav> how do you connect to a windows computer from ubuntu?
[02:43] <IIIEars> Does this xorg.conf look okay? No glx is available :?     http://pastebin.com/295217
[02:43] <nova> you talking about 3ddesk Pop_pa_FrEaK ?
[02:43] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> yes nova
[02:43] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> 3DWM actually
[02:43] <nova> not very usefull but kind of neat to mess with
[02:43] <nova> 3dwm?
[02:44] <nova> hmm
[02:44] <nova> i was playing with the virtual desk top  thing
[02:44] <nova> right now im just trying to whip my computer in shape with the ati drivers from atis own site
[02:44] <dimeo> how do I set my fstab so I can read and write to my external usb HD as a user.  it only is letting root do it.
[02:44] <nova> cant get direct rendering working though
[02:44] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> what card nova ?
[02:45] <nova> 9k pro 128 meg agp
[02:45] <nova> ive basically given up
[02:45] <nova> ive royaly screwed soethign up
[02:45] <random_> can anyone help me get ubuntu to detect my soundcard?
[02:45] <nova> and wont let direct rendering work
[02:45] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> try this nova http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495
[02:45] <spanglesontoast> Linux [kernel 2.6.10-5-k7]  || CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+ at 2210.000MHz [4374.52 bogomips]  || Disk: 50.70 used of 80.19Gb || Mem: used 0.0/0.1 Swap: used 0.0/0.0 || Up: 33 Load: 0.14,
[02:45] <spanglesontoast> kool
[02:45] <nova> think ill just re do my ubuntu install tomorow
[02:46] <nova> the the my first howto post Pop_pa_FrEaK ?
[02:46] <spanglesontoast> odd why my memory not being used?
[02:46] <random_> "can anyone help me get ubuntu to detect my soundcard?"
[02:46] <nova> yeh thats the one i followed
[02:46] <nova> but i some how hosed somethign bad lol
[02:46] <IIIEars> !alsaconf
[02:46] <ubotu> I don't know, IIIEars
[02:46] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> yes nova its a tutorial on using the new ati drivers
[02:46] <nova> mesacrap3d wont go by by
[02:47] <nova> i need to get to the ati etc etc
[02:47] <IIIEars> !Display
[02:47] <ubotu> hmm... display is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto or ask !Resolution
[02:47] <spanglesontoast> it won't work lol
[02:47] <IIIEars> !Resolution
[02:47] <spanglesontoast> I hate ati
[02:47] <spanglesontoast> so going to move to nivida when I get the money
[02:47] <nova> spanglesontoast, i thik its because me and you did nearly the exact same screw up
[02:47] <IIIEars> !ati
[02:47] <spanglesontoast> did you follow thingy earlier
[02:47] <nova> your getting stuck in mesa3d right spanglesontoast ?
[02:48] <spanglesontoast> about compiling?
[02:48] <nova> yup
[02:48] <spanglesontoast> got past that
[02:48] <nova> all of it
[02:48] <spanglesontoast> I tried to compile then I got stuck
[02:48] <nova> i broke some where after that
[02:48] <nova> i acualy got it all working
[02:48] <IIIEars> Does this xorg.conf look okay? No glx is available :?     http://pastebin.com/295217
[02:48] <spanglesontoast> wtf
[02:48] <spanglesontoast> how?
[02:48] <nova> but im stuck direct render no  mesa3d indirect rendering
[02:48] <spanglesontoast> are you sure your not missing a lib?
[02:49] <nova> well when i do it again tomorow ill tell you what ill make up a nice shell script to do it all auto
[02:49] <IcemanV9> !radeon
[02:49] <nova> got by that one
[02:49] <synd> !synd
[02:49] <ubotu> somebody said synd was a badass
[02:49] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> !ati
[02:49] <synd> :>
[02:49] <nova> ill remember how to do it tomorow
[02:49] <nova> while im doing it ill write it down
[02:49] <nova> make a shell script and post it for you heh
[02:49] <jikkl> can anyone help me with an error im getting with debootstrap and warty?
[02:50] <nova> might mean reinstalling ubuntu for you as well though heh
[02:50] <spanglesontoast> can't you just tell me how you did it?
[02:50] <nova> i dont remember off hand
[02:50] <spanglesontoast> well theres no way I'm reinstalling
[02:50] <nova> reaqd all the messages in that post
[02:50] <nova> a few people solved it
[02:50] <nova> whynot 2 lost hours
[02:51] <Johnnyfav> how do you network linux to a windows computer?
[02:51] <nova> i knew this is what would happen with me and linux
[02:51] <spanglesontoast> which post?
[02:51] <nova> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495  <<<< that one
[02:51] <nova> i think is page 4 or 5
[02:52] <chillywilly> anyone ever use the gnome clipboard daemon?
[02:52] <spanglesontoast> that works?
[02:52] <LinuxJones> Johnnyfav, usually folks will install a service called samba
[02:52] <jikkl> this is the error i get while trying to install warty with debootstrap
[02:52] <jikkl> cp: listing attributes of `/etc/resolv.conf': Unknown error 524
[02:52] <nova> yeh
[02:52] <LinuxJones> Johnnyfav, it's for file/printer sharing
[02:52] <nova> but im stuck on mesacrap3d lol
[02:52] <IcemanV9> Johnnyfav: check this out - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[02:52] <spanglesontoast> were you planning on not installing xorg
[02:53] <spanglesontoast> and doing it from a fresh?
[02:53] <nova> well my plan is trying it that way first
[02:53] <nova> no xorg
[02:53] <Johnnyfav> thank you
[02:53] <spanglesontoast> bad idea
[02:53] <nova> if that dont work ill use the xorg ones first then update over top as in howto
[02:53] <nova> if that dont work
[02:53] <nova> ill go back to xorg with another fresh install
[02:53] <spanglesontoast> did you  kill gdm?
[02:54] <nova> yep
[02:54] <nova> both ways
[02:54] <dimeo> why doesn't "rw,auto,user	0	0" in my fstab give read write options to users?
[02:54] <nova> its just the damn mesa stuff
[02:54] <Ray|v|an-1010> wich command show me the shell
[02:54] <Ray|v|an-1010> ?
[02:54] <dimeo> what fstab do I need to give users read write access to a usb external HD?
[02:55] <spanglesontoast> they really need a newbies chat room
[02:55] <nova> why
[02:55] <LinuxJones> Johnnyfav, there is a great site for new Ubuntu users at www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:55] <nova> they are damn helpful here spanglesontoast just need to wait a bit
[02:55] <nova> ok trying somethign else brb
[02:55] <ronnie_> anyone know why my mouse keeps freezing on ubuntu?
[02:56] <ronnie_> i tried both serial and usb
[02:56] <ronnie_> the os keeps freezing
[02:56] <IcemanV9> Ray|v|an-1010: echo $SHELL
[02:56] <ronnie_> im running an athlon xp 1800
[02:56] <nova> spanglesontoast, see /msg
[02:56] <Ray|v|an-1010> thanks budy
[02:56] <wowdeb> hey
[02:56] <wowdeb> all
[02:57] <spanglesontoast> Someone please help random_
[02:57] <random_> i just got ubuntu and newly installed with some help from a friend but it will not recognize my soundcard. could someone walk me through a way to fix my problem?
[02:57] <synd> spanglesontoast: eh?
[02:58] <spanglesontoast> look
[02:58] <synd> no shit
[02:58] <synd> are you the friend he speaks of, spanglesontoast ?
[02:58] <wowdeb> pearl?
[02:58] <raDeon> ICEMAN WHAT U WANT
[02:58] <random_> no he isn't
[02:58] <synd> Wolven: thats perl.
[02:58] <wowdeb> perl*
[02:58] <wowdeb> yeah
[02:59] <synd> c++, java
[02:59] <synd> i started with those
[02:59] <ronnie_> random_, im an experianced linux/unix user i just installed this os last night, my mouse keeps freezing, first time i encounterd this with linux/unix, Im thinking this os was built by niggers
[02:59] <Ray|v|an-1010> somebody can help me
[02:59] <Ray|v|an-1010> about
[02:59] <spanglesontoast> no
[02:59] <spanglesontoast> I'm just helping him as no one is listening to him
[02:59] <Ray|v|an-1010> how can i run a macromedia flash in konqueror
[02:59] <Ray|v|an-1010> plugin
[02:59] <raDeon> what do you call a woman who has lost 95% of her intelligence?
[02:59] <wowdeb> synd: what do u think about perl as a starter?
[02:59] <raDeon> divorced
[02:59] <synd> wowdeb: i never have messed with perl.
[03:00] <Ray|v|an-1010> how can i install a macromedia plugin for konqueror
[03:00] <wowdeb> ok cool\
[03:00] <Noggin> Poor Noggin :(  I'm a linux newb and have spent several days trying to install Ubuntu.  Finally was successful today, then I spent 5 hours trying to get ndiswrapper working on my wireless card, and it starts working.  I then blacklist prism54 drivers and set ndiswrapper to take over at boot.... wanted to see if it word work, so I rebooted and now I get a Grub error 17 :(  I want to cry
[03:00] <LinuxJones> ronnie_, stop with the racial slurs !!
[03:00] <synd> raDeon: ronnie_ yes. that was a bit overboard.
[03:00] <wowdeb> synd: visual c++ or just c++ ?
[03:00] <synd> visual
[03:00] <raDeon> that wasn't a racial slur
[03:01] <random_> thanks for trying spangles
[03:01] <raDeon> lol
[03:01] <synd> ruck
[03:01] <synd> fuck
[03:01] <wowdeb> mise as well go visuall basics spose
[03:01] <wowdeb> as a starter
[03:01] <synd> VB is a waste of time
[03:01] <IIIEars> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1669 grub error 17
[03:01] <ronnie_> frooze again
[03:02] <synd> wowdeb: learn assembly code and the rest are cake to pick up.
[03:02] <e0f> hi :) anyone here?
[03:02] <synd> e0f: no
[03:02] <synd> no one is here.
[03:02] <e0f> lol
[03:03] <e0f> synd: i've got a problems for setup my 302t on my ubuntu, do u
[03:03] <e0f> help me?
[03:03] <synd> e0f: aint got a clue to what you are talking about
[03:03] <IcemanV9> ronnie_: try to turn off apci; it had happened to me before on the other box a few times.
[03:04] <e0f> synd: i've got a problem for setup my adsl connection
[03:04] <synd> i have no idea
[03:04] <synd> unless you try to elaborate
[03:05] <e0f> ._.
[03:05] <dimeo> anyone use an external usb HD?
[03:07] <wowdeb> synd: where do i learn asembley code?
[03:09] <KragenSitaker> wowdeb: google "learn assembly language"
[03:09] <KragenSitaker> (spelled correctly)
[03:10] <atholas> wowdeb: try googling for "art of assembly"
[03:10] <wowdeb> KragenSitaker: can you give mes some urls / info
[03:10] <wowdeb> ok
[03:11] <atholas> It's quite a giant free book.
[03:11] <wowdeb> cool :)
[03:12] <KragenSitaker> wowdeb: I'm probably not the best person to ask.  I have written very little assembly in my life, and most of that a lnog time ago
[03:12] <LinuxJones> e0f, do sudo network-admin in a terminal . Check to see if your network card is listed as a device.
[03:12] <JoshYme1> I just got ubuntu up and running and it never asked for a root password - what does it default to??
[03:12] <LinuxJones> JoshYme1, Ubuntu uses sudo
[03:12] <JoshYme1> sudo??
[03:12] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> JoshYme1, its the password you put in as a user
[03:13] <stevo_incoH> JoshYme1: you can run sudo passwd root to change that pw.
[03:13] <KragenSitaker> JoshYme1: you don't normally use root's password in ubuntu
[03:13] <KragenSitaker> JoshYme1: instead you have some users who have the authority to sudo things as root
[03:13] <JoshYme1> ok gotcha
[03:13] <KragenSitaker> so you can say "sudo ls" or "sudo apt-get install something"
[03:13] <elroot> hi....when I try to start sending a file using skype it says it's using relayed transmission...and this is because the firewall (i've firestarter)....how can I resolve this?..relayed transmissions is very slow:S
[03:13] <KragenSitaker> and it will do that as root
[03:13] <LinuxJones> JoshYme1, for more info >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:14] <stevo_incoH> Hey, can someone help me get my mouse (touchpad) working by chance? :)
[03:14] <e0f> LinuxJones: i do only sudo network-admin ?
[03:15] <stevo_incoH> I just installed, but no mouse :(
[03:16] <LinuxJones> e0f, yes enter your users password when prompted
[03:16] <IcemanV9> stevo_incoH: check this out - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticsTouchpadHowto
[03:17] <e0f> LinuxJones: thanks :)
[03:17] <sinope> hiya!
[03:17] <sinope> i'm now running ubuntu!
[03:17] <LinuxJones> e0f, if your card is listed then you should run pppoeconf to configure your adsl connection
[03:18] <LinuxJones> sinope, welcome aboard :)
[03:18] <sinope> :)
[03:18] <wowdeb> KragenSitaker: looks like the book for it anyway ,  thanks :)
[03:18] <sinope> thanks LinuxJones
[03:18] <sinope> i have a few questions
[03:18] <sinope> how can i change my default desktop?
[03:18] <sinope> also, what sound server is running?
[03:18] <sinope> i can't get any xmms output...
[03:18] <e0f> LinuxJones: after i do only ifconfig -a and look ppp0's work ?
[03:19] <LinuxJones> e0f, yeah if your card is listed that should be it
[03:19] <e0f> LinuxJones: thanks :)
[03:19] <LinuxJones> sinope, www.ubuntuguide.org for lots of good stuff :)
[03:20] <LinuxJones> e0f, ;)
[03:20] <sinope> great thanks :D
[03:20] <LinuxJones> sinope, the wiki/forums board is awesome you can search on the www.ubuntulinux.org site and get help with tons of stuff as well
[03:21] <KragenSitaker> it's so great that everyone here is so helpful
[03:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i play mp3 in rhythmbox?
[03:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> surely there has got to be a way
[03:21] <LinuxJones> BROKEN_LADDER, you need to install the codec
[03:22] <LinuxJones> BROKEN_LADDER, install gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:23] <LinuxJones> KragenSitaker, this is one of the best irc help channels I have been in, in terms of friendliness and great community spirit :)
[03:24] <sinope> thanks LinuxJones  :)
[03:24] <nova> bleh
[03:24] <JoshYme1> i'm trying to install ndiswrapper and when i do make i get can't find sources in /lib/moduesl/kernel
[03:24] <nova> this just is not working
[03:24] <nova> no matter what i try i can not get direct rendering
[03:24] <spanglesontoast> lol
[03:24] <spanglesontoast> you have more than one machine nova?
[03:24] <nova> na
[03:24] <nova> well i do
[03:24] <illicit> Joshymel: what kind of wifi card do you have?
[03:25] <elroot> .when I try to start sending a file using skype it says it's using relayed transmission...and this is because the firewall (i've firestarter)....how can I resolve this?..relayed transmissions is very slow:S
[03:25] <nova> but this is the one ive been working on
[03:25] <KragenSitaker> LinuxJones: i think so too
[03:25] <spanglesontoast> I still need to get my mates wifi working
[03:25] <spanglesontoast> ndiswrapper failed
[03:25] <illicit> spanglesontoast: ndiswrapper on ubuntu = shit
[03:26] <illicit> i can't ever get a broadcom minipci card to work lol
[03:26] <nova> one more thing to try
[03:26] <spanglesontoast> hmm
[03:26] <illicit> so i bought a dlink 802.11 B and without any configuration the wireless tools picked it upp
[03:26] <LinuxJones> JoshYme1, have you tried running depmod -Ae ?
[03:26] <illicit> SO FOR ANYONE USING UBUNTU AND THEY WANT WIRELESS BUY A DLINK CARD
[03:26] <spanglesontoast> mine is from the uk and it's made by british telecom
[03:26] <JoshYme1> linukso: yeah i just ran that and still the same thing.
[03:27] <spanglesontoast> so
[03:27] <spanglesontoast> I doubt it will be supported
[03:27] <spanglesontoast> that was quick
[03:27] <nova> hmm
[03:27] <nova> theres got to be somethign im over looking
[03:27] <nova> yeh trying stuff in xorg.conf
[03:27] <LinuxJones> JoshYme1, the build seemed to go ok for you, it didn't spit out a bunch of errors ?
[03:28] <JoshYme1> LinuxJones: not during installation of ubuntu but with ndiswrapper i can't do  amka ebecause it says it an not find the kernel sources  how do i figure that one out ??
[03:28] <ukato> i have a question
[03:29] <spanglesontoast> has irc.shameless.net been hijacked by a porn firm?
[03:29] <LinuxJones> JoshYme1, so you only have 1 wireless network card in that machine correct ?
[03:29] <JoshYme1> yes that is right
[03:29] <asdfawsd> hi
[03:29] <LinuxJones> JoshYme1, sorry you don't have an onboard nic as well ?
[03:29] <JoshYme1> oh yes i do
[03:29] <KragenSitaker> i'm pretty happy with my old lucent wifi card too
[03:29] <JoshYme1> that is what i'm using
[03:29] <Curlydave> hi
[03:29] <JoshYme1> but i want to get the wifi card going
[03:29] <LinuxJones> JoshYme1, perfect
[03:29] <Curlydave> does anyoen know how to install themes?
[03:30] <Curlydave> it says my file is invalid
[03:30] <^thehatsrule^> gtk themes?
[03:30] <^thehatsrule^> what themes?
[03:30] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[03:30] <LinuxJones> JoshYme1, open a gnome-terminal and type     sudo apt-get update && apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[03:31] <spanglesontoast> illicit which dlink?
[03:32] <JoshYme1> linukso: ok so it is downloading the kernel source now?
[03:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> my girlfriend's account has a weird issue when i log into gnome; the splash screen doesn't go away.  anyone know how to fix this?
[03:32] <elroot> Curlydave, go to System->Preffs->Themes and drag-n-drop the theme file there
[03:32] <spanglesontoast> that one ok?
[03:32] <spanglesontoast> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=45001&item=5778770773&rd=1
[03:32] <Curlydave> elroot, it says it's invalid
[03:32] <elroot> ...try another theme
[03:34] <nova> ho to return kernal version again
[03:34] <spanglesontoast> no luck?
[03:35] <JoshYme1> LinuxJones: now i need gcc
[03:35] <nova> not yet
[03:35] <Curlydave> do you know what file the theme is considered to be?
[03:35] <Curlydave> or folder?
[03:35] <LinuxJones> JoshYme1, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:35] <e0f> LinuxJones, thanks, now i connect with my ubuntu :)
[03:35] <LinuxJones> e0f, sweet :)
[03:36] <e0f> i'm happy :)
[03:36] <LinuxJones> e0f, good to hear !!
[03:39] <Curlydave> doesa anyone know how to install themes?
[03:39] <nova> brb to try this
[03:39] <nova> here goes every thing
[03:39] <elroot> Curlydave, its a tar.gz right?
[03:39] <Curlydave> elroot, yep
[03:39] <minimidgy> how do i view a listing of all of the channels?
[03:39] <elroot> where did you get the theme?
[03:39] <Curlydave> elroot, gnome art
[03:39] <spanglesontoast> irc.shamelessnet.net does that channel exist?
[03:40] <elroot> whats the name?
[03:40] <elroot> of the theme.....
[03:40] <Curlydave> elroot, any theme
[03:40] <Curlydave> elroot, dropline etiquite
[03:40] <Curlydave> elric, experiencecrystal
[03:40] <Curlydave> elroot, etc'
[03:42] <spanglesontoast> how come I can access shamelessnet from mirc and I cannot from xchat?
[03:42] <dougsk> spanglesontoast, I'd suspect they require an ident daemon
[03:42] <spanglesontoast> how do I get that?
[03:42] <elroot> Curlydave, it works for me
[03:43] <JoshYme1> i'm trying to install prism drivers - how do you extract a bz2 file ??
[03:43] <elroot> Curlydave, can you tell me the exact message?
[03:43] <LinuxJones> JoshYme1, tar xfjv file.bz2
[03:43] <Curlydave> elroot, first off, which file am i supposed to install?
[03:44] <dougsk> spanglesontoast, apt-cache search identd  I'm not really sure what all is involved with setting on up nor what ports etc
[03:44] <spanglesontoast> how do I start deamons on ubuntu?
[03:44] <Curlydave> elroot, "installation failed"
[03:45] <dougsk> spanglesontoast, typically when you install a package it will ask you if you'd like it to run.  otherwise /etc/init.d/$SERVICENAME start
[03:46] <ibo> hi how do i configure gnome in ubuntu so that it prompts me before deleting a file?
[03:46] <nova> well ive hosed this ubuntu install
[03:46] <nova> guess im redoing it tomorow lol
[03:46] <spanglesontoast> Connecting to Ident server at 92.177.4.8...
[03:46] <spanglesontoast> Connection denied: Cannot assign requested address
[03:46] <LinuxJones> spanglesontoast, usually you start or stop them by typing /etc/init.d/servicename start|stop|restart (most are started when you boot your comp)
[03:46] <dougsk> ibo, nautilus you mean?
[03:46] <hyrax42> hi
[03:46] <hyrax42> I'm a bit stuck
[03:46] <elroot> Curlydave, you just have to drag and drop the tar.bz2/tar.gz to the theme's window
[03:47] <hyrax42> can't find the gstreamer0.8-mad in universe/multiverse
[03:47] <JoshYme1> Am I better off installing prism54 or ndiswrapper for my netgear card
[03:47] <nova> gettign this error now on my  drivers (least its not mesa3d ......)
[03:47] <nova> glrxinfo
[03:47] <nova> fglrxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:47] <ibo> dougsk, yeah nautilus or whatever is the one handling it
[03:47] <hyrax42> afaik I put the apt line in fine
[03:47] <spanglesontoast> hang on
[03:47] <spanglesontoast> nova
[03:47] <LinuxJones> hyrax42, sudo apt-get update && apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:48] <spanglesontoast> let me send you the lib
[03:48] <hyrax42> kk will try
[03:48] <nova> i wouldnt know where to put it
[03:48] <nova> and dcc and me dont work
[03:48] <spanglesontoast> /lib/modules/
[03:48] <ibo> i just deleted a days work :) i want this to be prevented next time
[03:49] <LinuxJones> nova, you should look at www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:49] <nova> could you email to me (prob need to change the ext
[03:49] <nova> ive done that
[03:49] <nova> it dont help
[03:49] <spanglesontoast> huh
[03:49] <spanglesontoast> what you do?
[03:49] <LinuxJones> nova, what card do you have ?
[03:49] <hyrax42> LinuxJones: E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:49] <nova> radeon 9k pro
[03:49] <nova> i dont want the xorg drivers
[03:50] <nova> im trying to get the ones from atis site going
[03:50] <spanglesontoast> /usr/lib/
[03:50] <spanglesontoast> soz
[03:50] <ibo> how do i make "rm" from command line automatically moves the files to wastebasket?
[03:50] <JoshYme1> LinuxJones: should i use prism54 drivers or ndiswrapper?
[03:50] <spanglesontoast> what your email nova
[03:50] <nova> novaflare@gmail.com
[03:50] <dougsk> ibo, if you use trash it shoudl ask that behavior by default I think, otherwise in gconf-editor it's apps>nautilus>preferences>confirm_trash
[03:50] <hyrax42> hang on... in the update, it says "Ign" a bunch for the backports ones
[03:50] <LinuxJones> hyrax42, you didn't add the universe repository to your /etc/apt/sources.lst file
[03:50] <Curlydave> elroot, doing so gives me the "installation failed' message
[03:50] <nova> tag on a .txt to the end of the file spanglesontoast
[03:50] <nova> other wise gmail may eat it
[03:51] <LinuxJones> JoshYme1, if the prisim driver is the chipset your card uses....then use that
[03:51] <elroot> Curlydave,  :S ....
[03:51] <spanglesontoast> k
[03:51] <nova> if this works ive got a mostly working .sh script for you heh
[03:51] <dougsk> ibo, the delete option set in edit>preferences>behavior appears to ask whether you want it to or not and I don't see a preference in the gconf-editor to say no
[03:52] <LinuxJones> hyrax42, search the www.ubuntulinux.org website for universe it will tell you how to add the repositories
[03:52] <ibo> where do i see gconf editor? where can i see this -> apps>nautilus>preferences>confirm_tras
[03:52] <ibo> dougsk where do i see gconf editor? where can i see this -> apps>nautilus>preferences>confirm_tras
[03:52] <synd> !sources
[03:52] <ubotu> synd: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[03:52] <JoshYme1> LinuxJones: ok i tried to install and it can't find k something or other
[03:52] <Noggin> Is it difficult to replace Grub with Lilo?  When my laptop's CD drive cools off (doesn't read CD-R's when warm) I was going to boot off the install CD and jump to the install Lilo step
[03:52] <synd> !source
[03:52] <ubotu> synd: I haven't a clue
[03:52] <dougsk> applications>run>type gconf-editor
[03:53] <synd> Noggin: why you want lilo?
[03:53] <Noggin> synd: Cause Grub gives an error 17, which I believe means it doesn't understand the partition table, and I also read that Lilo would boot up anyway
[03:53] <hyrax42> LinuxJones: hmmm well the instructions on the wiki page about restricted formats are outdated then?
[03:53] <dougsk> ibo, or applications>system tools>configuration editor
[03:53] <hyrax42> thanks though, seems to work after uncommenting universe lines
[03:53] <Noggin> I spent all day installing Ubuntu and getting ndiswrapper working, first time I reboot the system it gives Grub error 17 :(
[03:54] <dougsk> ibo, I'm not sure what your asking, it doesn't offer you an 'are you sure' type dialog already?
[03:54] <dougsk> is there an intent to package netscape directory server?
[03:55] <FR500> hello
[03:55] <ibo> dougsk.. its a default instal of hoary and it doesnt ask me y or n
[03:55] <FR500> is there something like scandisk?
[03:55] <wesw> Anyone else experiece mouse lag on AMD_64 version of Hoary (dual Opterons)?
[03:55] <fidget> humm does anyone know how to mount a folder ... like a cdrom drive?
[03:55] <ibo> dougsk.. ive checked the configuration and the box for confirm trash is checked. weird
[03:56] <thechitowncubs> I asked this before, but is there a way that I can get my laptops fans to go on more often?
[03:56] <Noggin> FR500:  I THINK its called fsck but I'm n00b
[03:56] <FR500> ok
[03:57] <hyphenater> fidget: man mount
[03:57] <dougsk> ibo, sorry I can't replicate that here.  I'm not all that talented at gnome
[03:57] <fidget> man mount?
[03:57] <spanglesontoast> sending
[03:57] <FR500> fidget, type man mount
[03:57] <spanglesontoast> done
[03:57] <fidget> humm ... and then the dest?
[03:57] <FR500> man= manual
[03:58] <fidget> ah
[03:58] <fidget> thanks
[03:58] <ibo> dougsk.. its ok. thas for the help
[03:58] <raDeon> nova, can i help you
[03:58] <i> igotroot
[03:58] <spanglesontoast> trust me this is complex
[03:59] <nova> well i am afraid my system is currently beyond help
[03:59] <dougsk> ibo, no worries you might try and create another user and use Xnest to see if you can replicate it there
[03:59] <spanglesontoast> we having been working on this for a while
[03:59] <nova> ubuntu install number 3 coming up in morning
[03:59] <i> anybody want to know how to enable root login on the splash screen?
[03:59] <ibo> whats xnest for?
[03:59] <nova> file didnt make it spanglesontoast here ya go
[03:59] <nova> ELF
[03:59] <nova> thats what i got no atachment no nothing
[03:59] <dougsk> ibo, Xnest is a tool to run an Xsession inside a window
[03:59] <nova> but my system is totaly hosed
[04:00] <spanglesontoast> well text
[04:00] <spanglesontoast> doesn't work lol
[04:00] <nova> perms are screwed up
[04:00] <nova> i dont "own dirs" i cant even get cedega to start rubies up etc
[04:00] <nova> ive fully fried ubuntu :)
[04:00] <spanglesontoast> ah
[04:00] <spanglesontoast> you love rubies.........
[04:00] <root_> ok somebody hack me , im logged in to irc in root
[04:00] <spanglesontoast> can you give me a link to rubies
[04:00] <nova> is my fav game
[04:00] <Curlydave> root_, lol
[04:00] <forced> heh.
[04:01] <nova> www.eventide.net
[04:01] <Curlydave> root_, those people who are hacker-paranoid/root=evil are nuts
[04:01] <nova> free (donation) mmorpg
[04:01] <dougsk> root_, /join #linspire
[04:01] <forced> haha.
[04:01] <root_> i know ubuntu is pretty gay for not enabling root login
[04:01] <Curlydave> root_, i've heard it a million times how without the root thing haxors would invade your comptuer in a matter of dayds
[04:01] <nova> mines enabled
[04:01] <spanglesontoast> !ident
[04:01] <ubotu> spanglesontoast: Bugger all, i dunno
[04:01] <thechitowncubs> I asked this before, but is there a way that I can get my laptops fans to go on more often?
[04:01] <root_> mine is too now
[04:01] <nova> too one single sudo command
[04:01] <nova> i like the fact its the way it is
[04:01] <root_> i can log in at post
[04:02] <spanglesontoast> !ident
[04:02] <root_> enabled root account and login on post
[04:02] <nova> keeps people like me  from well um heh frying their install ......
[04:02] <spanglesontoast> !ident
[04:02] <ubotu> Wish i knew, spanglesontoast
[04:02] <spanglesontoast> grr theres a bot
[04:02] <Noggin> this is stupid... i have my laptop on top of one of those ice things that you put in a cooler to keep the cd drive cool
[04:02] <Curlydave> nova, lol, i know, but just don't delete anything you dont' know what it is and your fine
[04:02] <Curlydave> lol
[04:02] <nova> heh
[04:02] <nova> hell
[04:02] <wesw> AMD64 Hoary (SMP):  Anyone else have issues w/ lagging?  i386 Hoary &  Solaris 10 fine on same hardware...
[04:02] <nova> in rh9 shrike
[04:02] <spanglesontoast> oh bed time form e
[04:02] <Curlydave> and i think the hackers thing is bullshit
[04:02] <spanglesontoast> good luck nova
[04:02] <nova> i made one single inocuous change to kde
[04:02] <spanglesontoast> I need to sleep
[04:02] <Curlydave> i'll say slim-none on that one
[04:02] <nova> and killed the entire os
[04:03] <Curlydave> wow!
[04:03] <nova> oops heh
[04:03] <Curlydave> that blows!
[04:03] <nova> im like hmm ok
[04:03] <nova> root in linux = bad
[04:03] <Curlydave> but if you were going to make that change anyhow you still would have sudoed it and messed it that way
[04:03] <nova> well ive partialy killed ubuntu a dozen times
[04:03] <nova> each time was a matter of minutes to recover it
[04:03] <LinuxJones> nova, what did you change ?
[04:03] <nova> killed flat out once
[04:03] <root_> 90% of the worlds computers run windows, and ubuntu folks are worried about root login security issues, they must be on drugs lol
[04:03] <forced> root == good. using root for everyday tasks == bad, especially for new users, heh.
[04:03] <nova> long time ago LinuxJones
[04:04] <nova> dont remember now
[04:04] <Curlydave> root_,  exactly
[04:04] <nova> i dont worry about the security isues
[04:04] <Curlydave> i dont' think there are even any viruses are linux-targetting hackers
[04:04] <nova> on windows im always admin
[04:04] <nova> to much hassle to swap to admin and back in windows
[04:04] <root_> curly you have to tar.gz the viruses first lmao
[04:04] <nova> in linux with sudo su etc
[04:04] <Curlydave> lol
[04:04] <nova> its a few key presses do what you need and back out
[04:05] <dougsk> Curlydave, well the phpbb thing was interesting, especially since someone created another virus based of the vuln to tell you to patch it
[04:05] <Curlydave> lol i bet the linux viruses give up after too many error messages trying to install themselves :p
[04:05] <tsume> root has landed! :)
[04:05] <tsume> root_: don't irc as root
[04:05] <root_> dependency issues
[04:05] <Curlydave> dougsk, oooh fun!
[04:05] <nova> lol phpbb ......
[04:05] <tsume> root_: I'll have to crack your computer now :)
[04:05] <root_> go ahead
[04:05] <root_> have at it
[04:05] <nova> hey root_ install php sql and apache lol
[04:05] <nova> let me have a crack at it heheh
[04:06] <ice_1963> My motherboard Bios will not boot from a cd rom. How do I make a 3-1/2 inch bootable floppy?
[04:06] <root_> you want my ip?
[04:06] <Curlydave> haha root's figured it out that all the "root is evil and your comp will be haxed" isn't right
[04:06] <dougsk> ice_1963, for ubuntu you don't
[04:06] <nova> phpbb is nuts it lets you essentialy change any thing through its interface
[04:06] <nova> take over php you own the server
[04:06] <root_> go ahead and destroy my gateway 400 mhz powerhouse hahahaha
[04:06] <Curlydave> oooh
[04:06] <spanglesontoast> mom ruoy ekil dlo si arodef
[04:06] <nova> my host was hacked that way
[04:06] <ice_1963> doug, why not?
[04:07] <forced> Curlydave, running irc as root creates problems when the user is say, using a user-created script for <insert favorite irc client.>
[04:07] <thechitowncubs> Ok, lets start here. is it POSSIBLE to change fan settings?
[04:07] <elroot> how can i configure firestarter to let me transfer files in skype directly?
[04:07] <spanglesontoast> you used phpbb?
[04:07] <spanglesontoast> nova?
[04:07] <Curlydave> forced, ohhh i see
[04:07] <nova> used in a dos attack against another web site
[04:07] <nova> i didnt no some one else on the server i was hosted on did
[04:07] <iceman> Dang, i want a linux disto that will install to new hardware, but allow a Dos file system
[04:07] <LinuxJones> root_, it's bad to irc in root :)
[04:07] <forced> mIRC isn't the only irc client plagued by malicious scripts, heh. Linux clients have a few.
[04:07] <dougsk> ice_1963, the kernel in ubuntu isn't small enough to fit on a floppy.  If  Ireally wanted debian, I'd wait till ~June 6th for sarge release and use the netboot floppies
[04:07] <spanglesontoast> ah
[04:07] <spanglesontoast> ubuntu?
[04:07] <nova> i lost 3 months worth of posts on ikonboard because of it
[04:07] <root_> bbl
[04:08] <Noggin> Dangit!  I am in the Ubuntu install, I selected to install Grub and Lilo because right now I'm getting Grub error 17 (grub doesn't understand partition table).  When I select to install Lilo, it immediately fails and if I select to install Grub it wants to repartition my drives
[04:08] <fidget> does anyone have any exp. with running yellow dog or ubuntu on a power pc?
[04:08] <nova> they took over the entire server
[04:08] <Noggin> I don't know what else to try ;(
[04:08] <ice_1963> kewl doug...so I can boot from sarg?
[04:08] <dougsk> ice_1963, at which point if you really wanted ubuntu you could change some things.  But I did do that recently on a thinkpad laptop and it work miserably.
[04:08] <forced> Installing grub shouldn't ask you to repartition...
[04:08] <spanglesontoast> I'm sad I us3 4ack3r 1anguag3 +0 sp3ak
[04:08] <Noggin> I wouldn't have expected it too either forced, but its asking me if I want it to use the autopartitioner or set it up myself.  Maybe if I select the second option....
[04:09] <nova> i mean dont get me wrong all message board system have had security flaws
[04:09] <iceman> Anyone know what would cause a system to hand at teh cups level during boot up
[04:09] <spanglesontoast> indeed
[04:09] <nova> but most are limited to screwing with the board not the entire freaking server lol
[04:09] <spanglesontoast> maybe he needs to set it up with better permissions
[04:09] <nova> ikonboard was easy to hack
[04:09] <ice_1963> Doug, I just picked up an old Gateway and I was thinking about installing flexbox
[04:09] <forced> Noggin, Are you sure grub isn't asking you if you want to use grub-install(in which case it automates the process of detecting partitions and installing itself?)
[04:09] <Noggin> Hmmm, this time its doing something else.  I starting to think this installer may be a bit buggy?
[04:09] <synd> ice_1963: whats the specs?
[04:09] <synd> ice_1963: and its fluxbox, btw
[04:09] <nova> websitename.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/member/membername.cgi. enter
[04:10] <nova> download member name cgi file and theres their pass word
[04:10] <dougsk> ice_1963, best of luck, I'd really looky at sarge netinstall and be sure to kill Xprt daemon
[04:10] <nova> target the admins got it
[04:10] <Noggin> SURE?  No, I'm never 100% sure when I'm working with Linux... but this is doing something differnt now, more like what I would have expected it to do
[04:10] <iceman> Anyone know why a system would hang during boot at cups ...
[04:10] <ice_1963> the processor is a pentium 166
[04:10] <nova> log in admin the board change what ever you want
[04:10] <forced> Maybe you lucked yourself into what you wanted. :P
[04:10] <firewire> is there a different package repository? Mine is missing basic things like Eterm
[04:10] <synd> ice_1963:  eek. i dont know if id do that.
[04:10] <Noggin> actually it failed again :(
[04:10] <nova> now ikonboard uses dbm and sql so you cant do it any more
[04:10] <dougsk> ice_1963, ouch, uhm I take back what i said.  I dunno what you'd do wth that tbh
[04:10] <spanglesontoast> you talking about yabb?
[04:11] <kaarlows> Does somebody have reports on how Ubuntu LiveCD PPC behaves at an Apple iBook?
[04:11] <spanglesontoast> ain't the same?
[04:11] <iceman> firewire i can give you my sources.list ...
[04:11] <firewire> great :)
[04:11] <iceman> sec ... other pc ..
[04:12] <ice_1963> Dougsk it is running windows 98 right now...I picked it up for free at a garage sale the wife drug me to
[04:12] <dougsk> ice_1963, tbh I think I'd leave it at that
[04:12] <Noggin> "It seems that this installaion of Ubuntu is the only OS on the computer.  If so, it should be safe to install the GRUB boot loader to the MBR of your first hard drive..... Install the GRUB boot loader to the MBR?" I select <Yes> and it fails :(  Maybe I'll reboot and see if it has actually fixed anything
[04:13] <Noggin> I'm thinking it can't mount the hard drive or something
[04:13] <forced> Does it report anything?
[04:13] <ice_1963> what is "tbh?" throw it back home?  lol
[04:13] <dougsk> ice_1963, garage sales sometimes rock, often times they have no clue.  i bought a p4 laptop for USD125 that way once
[04:13] <forced> In other words, how's it failing?
[04:13] <Noggin> Hmmm, actually there's a way to switch views right?  like ctrl f7?
[04:13] <kaarlows> I would like to use Ubuntu in my iBook G4 using the LiveCD, but I'm temerous for problems that may occour, as I've never saw a LiveCD distribution for Mac before
[04:13] <forced> Alt+F<tty number>
[04:13] <Curlydave> do LiveCDs let you save files?
[04:14] <forced> If you're in X, Atl+Ctrl+F<tty number>
[04:14] <forced> Then just Alt+Left/Right to switch ttys.
[04:14] <LinuxJones> kaarlows,  download and boot into it , it won't hurt anything on your computer
[04:14] <Noggin> hmmm.... see lots of debug lines, but I'm not sure which ones are of interest
[04:14] <spanglesontoast> anyways I'm off to bed
[04:14] <dougsk> Curlydave, there are a ton of methods to save files, such as to  usb thumdrives, fat32 partitions, or the cd-burner
[04:14] <spanglesontoast> nite nite peeps
[04:14] <spanglesontoast> nite nova
[04:14] <forced> How do you know it's failing? Is it saying grub not installed? Or reporting anything?
[04:14] <Curlydave> dougsk, ohh ok i just wasn't sure if it was possible
[04:15] <Curlydave> i guess ext partitions too prolly
[04:15] <IIIEars> Noggin - you can edit grub so it loads with "e" at boot then make the changes permanent by editing grub.conf one dir above boot
[04:15] <LinuxJones> spanglesontoast, bye
[04:15] <Noggin> getting a big red screen that says it fails
[04:15] <spanglesontoast> peace out
[04:15] <Noggin> I can't get to the system IIIEars :(  At boot I get Grub error 17
[04:15] <forced> ... :/ What partition type is /boot/grub on?
[04:15] <dougsk> Curlydave, sadly though most puters nowadays have ntfs partitions and as cool as captive-ntfs is, it still seems a crapshoot so must livecd vendors don't include wirte support to ntfs
[04:15] <Noggin> ext3 I think it is
[04:16] <Curlydave> dougsk, ohhh
[04:16] <forced> ... That should work without a problem, heh. Hrm.
[04:16] <IIIEars> Noggin - boot error 17 is unrecognized filesystem - that should be editable i think.
[04:16] <kaarlows> LinuxJones, thx, I'll try because Ubuntu is great, but as I've never saw a LiveCD before for Mac, so I think precaution is never much :)
[04:16] <Curlydave> dougsk, i can actually get my linux to read my ntfs partition, but windows won't read the ext3
[04:16] <Curlydave> *hd, not partition
[04:16] <forced> IIIEars: EXT3 should be recognized though.
[04:16] <forced> :/
[04:16] <Noggin> Right, but I don't know how to get to the console though..... hmmm maybe I do...
[04:17] <forced> Curlydave, There's a few(not many) applications for Windows to read alternate partitions, can't remember any since it's been a while. :/
[04:17] <dougsk> Curlydave, not be default but there is an excelent project that will read ext2/3 partions just fine e2fsexplore  Ithink
[04:17] <LinuxJones> kaarlows, I think you will like it very much once you get it installed and configured :)
[04:17] <Curlydave> forced, i'll have to look nto that
[04:17] <dougsk> Curlydave, s/e2fsexplore/e2fsexplorer I think
[04:17] <Curlydave> dougsk, ooh cool
[04:17] <Noggin> Ok, I'm at a console now, but I think its super limited.  I can't even do a "dir"... ooo but ls works
[04:17] <kaarlows> Well, let me start downloading my LiveCD for Macs, and later I come to tell how was it. Cya guys
[04:17] <Curlydave> dougsk, do you know if theres a way to read the ntfs partition in linux without doing the mount command every time you reboot?
[04:17] <psychonate|away> crimsun, you around?
[04:18] <forced> Curlydave, You have to mount a partition to read it.
[04:18] <Curlydave> that's a no?
[04:18] <forced> Set it to automount.
[04:18] <Curlydave> forced, how would i do that?
[04:18] <forced> Edit /etc/fstab and create an entry for the partition.
[04:18] <forced> So it will be mounted at boot.
[04:18] <dougsk> Curlydave, yeah have a look at ubuntuguide.org peice of cake
[04:19] <Curlydave> so where it says noauto 0
[04:19] <Curlydave> 1 would make it automount?
[04:19] <iceman> livewire had to pop on that pc ... seem to be a complete sources.list
[04:19] <forced> Replace noauto with defaults.
[04:19] <Curlydave> ohhhh ok
[04:19] <iceman> im on old windows xp box ..
[04:20] <Curlydave> ty forced!
[04:20] <forced> I feel so used, helped and he leaves, not even a reach around.
[04:20] <DAC1138> forced, huh?
[04:20] <forced> Was a joke, heh.
[04:20] <DAC1138> forced, the pop-in?
[04:21] <DAC1138> people come, get a question answered, then leave?
[04:21] <forced> Yeah, /cry.
[04:21] <DAC1138> dont even join the community?
[04:21] <DAC1138> hate that
[04:21] <dougsk> forced, lmao
[04:21] <Noggin> i'll give you a reach around if you 'mount' me :)  Trying to figure out how to get it to work.  So far its telling me that its not in /etc/fstab :(
[04:21] <DAC1138> happens every day in the blender chat
[04:21] <forced> Haha.
[04:21] <forced> Noggin, What's not in /etc/fstab?
[04:22] <DAC1138> whats stupid is then they pop back in 20 minutes later "uh, how do i do this?" and they leave, and come back
[04:22] <Noggin> dunno honestly.... if I go to /dev and type "mount hda" or "mount hda1" I get "Can't find /dev/hdea in /etc/fstab"
[04:22] <DAC1138> its like "just login and STAY to ask your questions, help others as well while you're here"
[04:22] <forced> No... it's when they say, "It didn't work." 20 minutes later that makes you wonder. :/
[04:22] <forced> Er.
[04:22] <dougsk> DAC1138, it's part of how they learn. How I learn too.
[04:22] <forced> Noggin, it's trying to mount a mount point, not a device. When you do that.
[04:23] <Noggin> I'm so noob :(  friend always swears up and down he'll help me do this if I format my laptop and get rid of windows, but when I try he's never here to help
[04:23] <DAC1138> lol. now i have a quick question. i want to dual boot windows and linux, is there some software that will allow me to view and modify reiser/ext3 partitions as if they were regular windows ntfs/fat partitions?
[04:23] <DAC1138> in real time, without having to open a 3rd party app
[04:23] <forced> Noggin, `mount /device mount_point` ... Otherwise, `mount blah` will try to mount a mount point as defined in /etc/fstab(and I doubt 'hda' exists as a mount point in fstab.)
[04:23] <DAC1138> i want to capture video in linux, and move over to windows and edit with premiere and after effects
[04:24] <forced> DAC1138, Chances are you if you want to edit those partitions via Windows, you'll 100% need a 3rd party application.
[04:24] <DAC1138> i know of 3 programs that will allow me to view/edit partitions, but not in real time, not like they're normal M$ partitions
[04:24] <forced> Why not just capture the Video in Linux, copy it to the Windows partition, then boot Windows and access the file normally?
[04:25] <DAC1138> forced, hard drive space
[04:25] <dougsk> DAC1138, edit partitions or access and edit files?
[04:25] <dpod> Does anybody know how to replace a file in /etc/rcS.d?
[04:25] <forced> Move it? Or too limited on the Windows partition you mean?
[04:25] <DAC1138> i want windows to have like a 4 gb partition. a bare system, since all i use are premiere and after effects
[04:25] <eljose> joi
[04:25] <forced> Ah.
[04:26] <DAC1138> its a 40 gb drive, 36 will be for linux. it'd be nice to have 20 GB set aside for video
[04:26] <forced> Buy an iPod and use it exclusively as a USB drive. :"> It's what I did when I realized I don't listen to music that much, heh.
[04:26] <DAC1138> and not have to toss it back and fourth between partitions
[04:26] <DAC1138> i got a dell dj :) happy with it
[04:26] <Mestapheles> does checking the cksum value of certain files against their md5 values,that I already know, give different values?
[04:26] <HostingGeek> bob2: ya here?
[04:27] <forced> Just resize the windows partition exclusively for videos and save all the captured videos there, instead of a linux partition?
[04:27] <HostingGeek> bob2: check ya logs...
[04:27] <forced> That way it's accessible both ways, and the space will be used for videos regardless...
[04:27] <DAC1138> forced, .....
[04:27] <DAC1138> forced, why didnt i think of that?
[04:27] <forced> ?
[04:28] <Noggin> DAC1138:  Cause you use NTFS for windows maybe?
[04:28] <forced> Heh. I have that problem sometimes too, so busy looking for a complicated solution I forget that simple ones usually work best.
[04:28] <Noggin> NTFS access for linux is still in its infancy right?
[04:28] <DAC1138> Noggin, i do currently, but repartitioning/formatting my drive ill convert it to fat32
[04:28] <forced> Noggin, NTFS writing isn't "mature", but it's always worked for me without a hitch.
[04:28] <Noggin> aight
[04:28] <tsume> heh
[04:28] <forced> Maybe I'm lucky. :/
[04:29] <tsume> you probably have no idea what the restrictions on NTFS for linux are
[04:29] <dpod> I'm trying to replace one of the original bootup files; I can delete the original (/etc/rcS.d/S40networking -- halves the bootup time), but I can't get my own shell script to replace it properly: it looks for a sudo permission, I think
[04:29] <malik> i just configured twinview. works fine. but now i want "independent workspaces" ie. switch one workspace on one screen and leave the other alone
[04:29] <malik> is this possible? how?
[04:29] <DAC1138> i'd like to use windows in vmware, but i dont know how video editing is with premiere and after effects in vmware
[04:29] <tsume> you can read and write to NTFS, but if you used 1) encryption, or 2) a special folder, don't count on it
[04:29] <tsume> and you can't write to specific folders due to the settings windows applies to them
[04:29] <forced> tsume, probably why I never encountered a problem. Heh. Never bothered with either. :/
[04:30] <Noggin> have half an hour to fix this until I have to go to sleep :(
[04:30] <tsume> forced: be like me, a computer nut who learns everything ;)
[04:30] <forced> I probaly would know more about it, if I had access to a Windows box. :P
[04:31] <iceman> anyone know a distro that will play nice with window, without havingto partition ... like Winlinux
[04:31] <tsume> forced: its best to know everything :)
[04:31] <DAC1138> im on windows now sadly. did the sp2 upgrade and strangely enough, my open source software quit working
[04:31] <dougsk> iceman your looking fo colinux
[04:32] <dougsk> s/fo/for
[04:32] <forced> tsume, ... False prophet!
[04:32] <DAC1138> namely blender, gaim, gimp, and (not open source, but free) filezilla
[04:32] <limer> where's Burg?  gonna feel good soon
[04:32] <DAC1138> iceman you come into #ubuntu and ask that question?
[04:32] <DAC1138> lol
[04:33] <DAC1138> iceman go with ubuntu
[04:33] <forced> iceman : Sounds like WinLinux works like you want.
[04:33] <DAC1138> ubuntu has the live feature :)
[04:34] <dougsk> DAC1138, well without having to partition there is slackware with umsdos, or colinux or cygwin.  Ubuntu doesn't fit the bill -- oh though the livecd would be good
[04:34] <Noggin> might fsck fix this?
[04:34] <DAC1138> dougsk, yeah, ive used slackware way bak at 8.0 with umsdos
[04:34] <DAC1138> dougsk, but that was very hard to set up
[04:34] <HrdwrBoB> and slow
[04:35] <DAC1138> dougsk, wheras the live cd will work, and you can mount the windows partition and edit it
[04:35] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, youre telling me. the system was an old 25mhz laptop with 8 mb ram
[04:35] <DAC1138> the 8 mb ram was a strang expansion card from 4mb.
[04:35] <forced> ... Did you shoot it to put it out of its misery? :/
[04:35] <mrchicago> any idea when the bit torrent will be up and running
[04:35] <DAC1138> no, i dont know what happened to it
[04:35] <dougsk> DAC1138, point well taken.  O never said it was 'easy'.  But it doesn't touch the partition table.
[04:35] <DAC1138> in a box somewhere
[04:36] <iceman> dougsk will tried to install, cant get it to work ... weird ... lack some nt dll's .. i want it on a 98 install
[04:36] <DAC1138> got this new gateway laptop instead. works like a charm
[04:36] <dougsk> iceman, tried to get what to install?
[04:36] <mrchicago> heh
[04:36] <DAC1138> dougsk, umsdos i think is also what peanut linux was using as a main partition type
[04:37] <dougsk> DAC1138, yes peanut is/was based off of slackware circur 9.x
[04:37] <iceman> colinux
[04:37] <DAC1138> dougsk, peanut was one of my first distros. it was very hard to setup, mainly because of umsdos and i had to download an extra file from the internet that was 80MB (this was on dialup)
[04:37] <dougsk> DAC1138, if you chose to partition with peanut it used reiser3
[04:38] <DAC1138> dougsk, i got a weird copy of peanut. the instructions told me to get an 85 bzImage file, copy that to a DOS formatted partition, and install it like that. it would use the DOS partition as its main filesystem
[04:38] <dougsk> DAC1138, I was a huge peanut fan jp does great work and bolting rpm ontop was pretty cool.
[04:38] <mrchicago> stupid ds;
[04:38] <mrchicago> stupid dsl
[04:38] <mrchicago> going bananas
[04:38] <iceman> dougsk i'd go slackware, but how the heck to get the full needed library's for x and kde ..
[04:38] <DAC1138> your keyboard too
[04:39] <dougsk> iceman, Om not sure I follow
[04:39] <Noggin> If I were to boot with a win98 boot disk, and use fdisk /fixmbr to "fix" the mbr, how would the PC react when I try to boot?  I only have one OS on it
[04:39] <iceman> Want to build a install, preserving windows 98, in windows filesystem. like zipslack but wit hX and KDE
[04:40] <DAC1138> Noggin, it should boot windows normally
[04:40] <^thehatsrule^> Noggin, that would depend on what OS
[04:40] <dpod> Boohoo does nobody have experience changing the files ubuntu uses to bootup ?
[04:40] <DAC1138> Noggin, it will wipe any linx boot record you have installed
[04:40] <Noggin> oh yeah, forgot to say Ubuntu is the only OS on the pc
[04:40] <dougsk> Noggin, of you have a primary fat/ntfs partition marked active then it will jsut boot that partition
[04:40] <DAC1138> Noggin, then you wont be able to boot ubuntu
[04:40] <^thehatsrule^> then you cannot boot ubuntu ;p
[04:40] <Noggin> Ok.... thats kinda what I expected
[04:40] <moot> ok... all of you should get off the fucking computers and go out partying... THIS I COMMAND!
[04:41] <dougsk> moot, I just drank my last beer
[04:41] <Noggin> can't moot, I have to go on a business trip tomorrow and I need this blasted laptop to work >,<
[04:41] <DAC1138> moot, i just got back from a party
[04:41] <moot> excuses.
[04:41] <dpod> Moot: I am parttying.
[04:41] <iceman> dac1138 what was the needed file for peanut
[04:41] <jayson_I> what's up dude!
[04:41] <DAC1138> moot, why dont YOU get off and go party?
[04:41] <moot> about to
[04:41] <gbic> anyone around here familiar with dovecot?
[04:41] <moot> waiting on the cab
[04:41] <Noggin> been installing Ubuntu and ndiswrapper all day, first reboot and grub chockes
[04:41] <DAC1138> iceman something like "bzImage.img"
[04:42] <moot> you don't need to reboot to use ndiswrapper
[04:42] <moot> it's a sign
[04:42] <moot> it means go out and dance your ass off
[04:42] <dpod> Noggin: what kind of laptop are you on and is this your first installation?
[04:43] <Noggin> Compaq Presario 1245 333 MHz 96 MB ram.  I've attempted installs before, Debian ALMOST worked.  Ubuntu was working until I rebooted it
[04:43] <Noggin> but for all intents and purposes, yes this is my first installation
[04:44] <DAC1138> Noggin, boot the ubuntu live cd (if you have one) and reinstall the bootloader
[04:44] <dpod> I might be a step ahead of you then. I'm on a shittier computer (an Acer 1410) but have been fighting wireless on and off for a couple of weeks. I think've now got it, except nobody will help me get my final boot stuff set so it works automatically (bad chatroom types). Let me see if I can throw it together.
[04:44] <firewire> also you might try the suse live cd
[04:45] <Noggin> Don't have live cd.  I do have the basic install ISO though, and both the Grub and Lilo install steps fail.  First time I select to install Grub it wants to partition the drives.  If I cancel and select the same step it says that Ubuntu is the only OS on the drive and asks if I want to install Grub.  I say yes, and it goes to a red screen and fails
[04:47] <dpod> Noggin: oh dear. That I don't know the answer to. I did a dual boot. Why are you worrying about Linux the night before a trip? Wouldn't you be better of with what you've already got working? Integration with other peoples' hardware ain't any easier (to say the least) with linux
[04:47] <Noggin> I started installing it around tuesday actually, it kept failing at 80% so I had to do a network install today when I figured out how to do it which worked
[04:48] <Noggin> but first reboot, and grub went kaboom :(
[04:48] <Chislon> i could use some assistance, or a link that would help me figuring out how to set my comp up for dual booting
[04:49] <Noggin> what OS can you currently boot to Chislon?
[04:49] <synd> Chislon: the ubuntu installer sets that up for you
[04:49] <raDeon> WINDOWS
[04:49] <raDeon> hahahaha
[04:49] <Chislon> windows xp home sp2 is current
[04:49] <Chislon> well i have to do the partition tho?
[04:49] <dpod> My own guess is your better off letting it go until your trip's over. I've been travelling and screwing around with Linux all month (started first week in May). But with a dual boot machine, it's not stopped any of my presentations. Just gven me something to do in the hotel rooms.
[04:49] <synd> Chislon: no
[04:49] <Noggin> have you installed ubuntu yet?
[04:49] <Chislon> no ive only used the livecd
[04:49] <synd> Chislon: the ubuntu installer does the work
[04:49] <Chislon> i just downloaded the installer
[04:49] <Chislon> ok
[04:49] <thechitowncubs> Hey, whats the best dvd ripping program?
[04:49] <Chislon> how big will it make the partition?
[04:49] <synd> Chislon: you tell it how big
[04:50] <Chislon> how big should i tell it lol
[04:50] <Noggin> actually dpod, I wanted to bring my laptop with me.  In my spare time I want to design a PCB board :(  I don't HAVE to have it, but it'll keep me from blowing my brains out from boredom
[04:50] <synd> Chislon: at least 4-5Gig i guess? im not sure how small the partition can be
[04:50] <geetergod> Anyone know why i cant activate the DMA in xine?
[04:50] <Noggin> I suppose absolute worst case is find my Win98 cd's which I should still have and just install them tomorrow at the hotel
[04:50] <geetergod> i get...   /dev/dvd:
[04:50] <geetergod>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[04:50] <geetergod>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Permission denied
[04:50] <geetergod>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[04:50] <synd> Chislon: i recommend using another HDD if you can
[04:50] <Noggin> havn't really considered that until now, had tunnel vision
[04:50] <dpod> Noggin: you mean it wiped out the windows?
[04:51] <Chislon> well this is my laptop so dont have tha toption really
[04:51] <Noggin> Yes, that was on purpose.  Its only a 3 gig hard drive
[04:51] <Chislon> i really only use my desktop for gaming so only need windows on that
[04:51] <synd> Chislon: how big is the HD?
[04:51] <synd> Chislon: well since you have Win on your desktop, you ought to just nix windows on your laptop completely ;)
[04:52] <islander> what's going on
[04:52] <Chislon> 14.4 gb used, 41.2 gb free
[04:52] <geetergod> aaanyone know?
[04:52] <islander> Wepa a todo el mundo
[04:52] <Chislon> synd, i may end up doing that, but im not ready to yet
[04:52] <islander> I am so happy with my Ubuntu OS
[04:52] <synd> Chislon: i understand. I didnt at first as well.
[04:52] <jayson_I> what's up dude!!
[04:52] <islander> so Excited
[04:52] <jayson_I> can i dual boot winXP and ubuntu?
[04:53] <synd> jayson_I: yes
[04:53] <dpod> Noggin: then its really a question of how important the laptop is to you, of course. I'm afraid I'm not enough of an expert to say how to properly boot a single system machine (which is what I'd do if I didn't care). But if it is really a hobby at this point I'd let it go.
[04:53] <Chislon> Noggin thank you for your help
[04:53] <synd> Chislon: id say give it 10-20GB?
 how? what OS first i instal?
[04:53] <geetergod> can someone help me with xine?
[04:53] <synd> Chislon: its really your discretion
[04:53] <dpod> Chislon:
[04:53] <geetergod> enableing dma
[04:53] <synd> jayson_I: id do XP first and then ubuntu
[04:54] <Noggin> Its a hobby, but I'm going to have about 60 hours of spare time from monday to friday, and 16 hours of travel time.   I appreciate all the help from everyone and I know how difficult it is to help over a medium such as this
[04:54] <Chislon> synd ok, ihow big of a deal is it to change it later if i need more or less or whatever?
[04:54] <Chislon> dpod ?
[04:54] <Noggin> but I'm afraid I'm going to have to give up soon, got one more thing to try though first....
[04:54] <dpod> Chislon: I did 18/18 XP UBUNTU; I wish in retrospect, I'd left less room for the XP, though it did eat all but 6 gig on system and application files
[04:54] <synd> Chislon: im not exactly sure.
[04:54] <Chislon> dpod, oh ok, thank you
[04:55] <Chislon> is inkscape equivalent to windows vector programs?
[04:55] <Chislon> i mean ho wmuch space i do dpeends on how much ill need to use windows
[04:55] <rj`> does anyone know of a way to resize all images in a directory to be a certian size?
[04:55] <synd> ok time to mess with my moms dell
[04:55] <DAC1138> anyone here a "TWiT" listener?
[04:56] <firewire> super
[04:56] <dpod> Chislon: yes and no. It really depends on a) is it your only machine? b) is it where you store everything? c) how willing are you to control disc creep on one side or the other.
[04:56] <mrchicago> 99% of computer programs can be done from the console
[04:57] <mrchicago> games and videos only ones that cant be done
[04:57] <Chislon> dpod, what is disc creep, and this is where i store everything, and i have a desktop, but that i only use for games, this is what i do everything on
[04:57] <tsume> mrchicago: wrong
[04:57] <dpod> I'm in the process of translating from XP to Ubuntu. Ultimately, when my desktop changes, I'll need lots of Ubuntu space. Right now on my laptop I don't store anything on the windows side, so I'm alright.
[04:58] <tsume> mrchicago: you can watch movies on the console, and also play games
[04:58] <mrchicago> movies like with what
[04:58] <tsume> there are great ncurses based games. You can watch movies with aalib
[04:58] <mrchicago> well im talking like fps
[04:58] <dpod> disk creep is what I call never getting rid of anything. when I got my first harddrive (40 meg) or even before that on my superpet, you had to get rid of stuf smetimes. But nowadays...
[04:59] <tsume> mrchicago: heh, you misunderstand that a fps doesn't need 3D
[04:59] <underline> yep, finally ubuntu is working on my laptop
[04:59] <DAC1138> why doesnt ubuntu, by default, mount windows partitions? why must i manually go into fstab and edit it?
[04:59] <raDeon> http://www.ebaumsworld.com/screamscare.html
[04:59] <synd> DAC1138: it dont like windows
[04:59] <geetergod> can someone help me with my xine?
[04:59] <synd> geetergod: whats the prob?
[04:59] <DAC1138> synd, find me someone who does
[05:00] <Chislon> dpod, not really sure what to do with that info i guess... heh, i dunno i mean, like i dunno, if i can do everything i want to do besides games in linux, and if i can do it better and easier and like it better there, then of course i dont need all that much space for windows
[05:00] <geetergod> when i try to activate dma using 'hdparm -d 1 /dev/dvd'
[05:00] <synd> DAC1138: huh?
[05:00] <tsume> mrchicago: with aalib, you can go in a high w x h for console mode, and even use 256 color ;)
[05:00] <underline> could anyone teache me how to create another distribution based on ubuntu?? I would like to know how you guys can create an installable ISO with all that directory hierachy =p
[05:00] <geetergod> i get....     /dev/dvd:
[05:00] <geetergod>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[05:00] <geetergod>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Permission denied
[05:00] <geetergod>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[05:00] <Chislon> but i dont yet know if i can do it all
[05:00] <dpod> DAC1138: I think Billy Gates is peased enough with it
[05:00] <DAC1138> synd, but if they're aimes at user-friendliness, it only makes sense as it will help in the windows to linux transition
[05:00] <synd> raDeon: us LINUX users cant view that !
[05:00] <geetergod> synd, any idears?
[05:00] <underline> sorry... its teach
[05:00] <underline> =p
[05:00] <raDeon> yes you can
[05:00] <xterminus> geetergod: try sudo hdparm ....
[05:00] <tsume> mrchicago: with unbelievable detail with ascii characters
[05:00] <DAC1138> dpod, we all know he secretly uses a knoppix live cd
[05:00] <monsoon> hi
[05:00] <synd> raDeon: hm
[05:01] <tsume> I like watching the matrix with aalib
[05:01] <geetergod> damn it, i knew i had to do that :(
[05:01] <dpod> DAC1138: I didn't say he used it: just that he was pleased with it.
[05:01] <geetergod> im sorry
[05:01] <Chislon> besides games, i want to get into programming and animation/2d/3d graphics, blender works for 3d, and it sounds like linux is way better for programming, but what about the 2d aspect, which is what im googling right now... i was going to go with flash, but thats windows
[05:01] <synd> raDeon: how does one get .wmv plugins
[05:01] <forced> lol tsume
[05:01] <tsume> Chislon: flash is a pipedream, I put down people who use flash
[05:01] <raDeon> synd, xine
[05:01] <raDeon> DUH
[05:01] <Chislon> also are there decent webpage making programs? i dont know html, but am part of a small buisness starting and im in charge of the webpage, it will need to have ecomemerce and such
[05:01] <raDeon> i watch wmv's all the time on linux
[05:02] <synd> raDeon: it aint wokring
[05:02] <tsume> Chislon: and for a 3d engine, the current opensource best is ogre for 3d engine, but it still is slow
[05:02] <Chislon> tsume, i dont know what exactly a pipedream is, but its okay with me if you dont do the things i do, why isnt it okay with you for me to do what i do?
[05:02] <cafuego> raDeon: Yes, if you happen to have an x86 machine it works. if not, not.
[05:02] <Davey> I have one of those 8 in 1 media reader type things, the ones that take up a 5.25" drive bay, how can I open up my Compact Flash card to see the photos?
[05:02] <tsume> Chislon: it pisses people off.
[05:02] <raDeon> cafuego, well guess what, MOST PEOPLE DO
[05:02] <Chislon> tsume, what about the engine they use for planeshift?  it makes you mad that i use software that has nothing to do with u?
[05:03] <tsume> Chislon: linux flash 7 still has unexpected results if you generate the bytecode in windows with the Flash MX
[05:03] <Chislon> why do i have such an effect on ur life
[05:03] <cafuego> raDeon: Yeah, MOST people also run Windows.
[05:03] <tsume> Chislon: Crystal space is _worse_ than ogre3d
[05:03] <Chislon> oh ok
[05:03] <Chislon> i looked at ogre3d demos but i wasnt overly impressed, but i dont know much about that
[05:03] <tsume> Chislon: you can make simple games with ogre3d, but don't expect a game like Unreal Tournament
[05:03] <iceman> Wish i could find a zipslack linux system with x installed ...
[05:03] <dpod> Chislon: I mostly do text and xml, which is why I'm going to Linux. Almost everything one needs in a regular office... even a fairly high tech one seems relatively well supported. The biggest question is really where you think you are mostly going to work on a day-to-day basis. I have some friends who work in windows and use linux, and some who are the other way round. If you've got more than one machine, I'd say split the least important one 50:
[05:03] <tsume> Chislon: expect Unreal I graphics. Ogre3d and CS are 10 years behind
[05:04] <tsume> so are all other engines, they devels are morons who can't optimise a few algos.
[05:04] <synd> !xine
[05:04] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, synd
[05:04] <synd> oops
[05:05] <Chislon> tsume, well im no where near that level, havnt started programming or anything, i hear python is good starting language...  i dont know what that means about the algos and such.. but i mean they are improving them right, and so what do linux games use or what do games that work in linux without wine use?
[05:05] <forced> Most open source engines are... :( Not trying to offend people, heh. Good engines = cost money.
[05:05] <raDeon> cafuego, yeah and MOST people think you are an obnoxious slack of slime
[05:05] <forced> algos = algorithms.
[05:05] <raDeon> sack*
[05:05] <raDeon> read as sack, if you will.
[05:05] <JDahl> I was flat out amazed by the ogre tech-demos, but I dont play games much
[05:05] <tsume> ubotu: xine is a media player which may be found at: http://www.xinehq.de
[05:05] <ubotu> tsume: okay
[05:05] <forced> Chislon: OpenGL is portable... that's what they tend to use for graphics.
[05:06] <Chislon> dpod, but the least important one i only use for games, so im never on that, linux is supposed to be faster and more secure and better right? depending on if i can do 2d stuff well in linux, most of y worktime should be in linux on this laptop
[05:06] <tsume> !xine
[05:06] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, tsume
[05:06] <tsume> Chislon: python is not a good language for game creation. You want to use C++ for game creation
[05:06] <Chislon> forced, ok i dont know how all the engines and stuff work though, so they use other engines tho
[05:06] <forced> Alot of the free tool kits are just crap that relies on OpenGL for rendering.
[05:06] <Chislon> tsume, but python is good for a starting language i hear
[05:06] <tsume> Chislon: for numerical analysis and computing power, you need to learn how to use the STL in C++
[05:06] <regeya_> guh.
[05:06] <iceman> anyone know how to pack a iso to a harddrive
[05:06] <tsume> Chislon: use Python to make plugins for the game
[05:06] <iceman> unpack
[05:07] <regeya_> if you do everything as interpreted python, then yeah, your game is a-gonna be slow
[05:07] <dpod> Chislon: I wouldn't let html needs shape my os decision. there are only something like thirty codes to know, and there's lots of free and commercial coding editors for both systems. I use emacs mostly, though I'm not sure that's an entry-level html coder. I think Oxygen does well in both XP and Linux
[05:07] <Quest-Master> http://www.ogre3d.org/gallery/albums/album01/quake3.sized.jpg <-- Ogre3D is pretty damn good.
[05:07] <tsume> Chislon: actually lua is a better language for plugin creation for games
[05:07] <forced> C++ knowledge is almost required if you want to make a game in a team environment. Heh.
[05:07] <Quest-Master> tsume: Python rocks for game creation. ;)
[05:07] <regeya_> also if you do it with no eye for optimizing for the interpreter, then it will be slow
[05:07] <Chislon> tsume, some people say its not bad for games, i have no idea about it all, but python is used in the blender game engine i think... but most things i read dont suggest starting in C or C++
[05:07] <forced> lua = so nice.
[05:07] <tsume> Quest-Master: get real buddy :) its slow at numerical computation
[05:07] <regeya_> but if you're careful, and you're not doing anyhting cutting-edge it'll be ok
[05:07] <tsume> Chislon:  whoever told you that, they are seriously wrong
[05:07] <Chislon> Quest-Master, thank you for the link
[05:08] <forced> C is a great starting place. So is C++.
[05:08] <regeya_> yes, I suggest C++ for beginners.
[05:08] <tsume> C++ is a def
[05:08] <forced> Learn either and you'll be able to pick up most languages quickly.
[05:08] <Quest-Master> tsume, forced: Lua is easy to implement, but Python as a language owns it hard. Plus, Boost.Python allows easy implementation.
[05:08] <tsume> don't use C# or mono
[05:08] <bwlang> tsume: you're confused... python and C++ generate very similar machine code for numerical calculations... they differ everywhere else
[05:08] <regeya_> but first cut your teeth on assembly ;-)
[05:08] <Chislon> dpod, well i fugre that linux should be just as good for doing webpages shouldnt it? that is something i need to figure out though, that and 2d art/animation progs
[05:08] <tsume> Quest-Master: oh god you are such a noob
[05:08] <Quest-Master> tsume: Slow numerical computation? Try Psyco and Pyrex.
[05:08] <tsume> Quest-Master: its all about overhead and speed
[05:08] <tsume> Quest-Master: no.
[05:09] <tsume> bwlang: you must not be experienced
[05:09] <Chislon> tsume, i dont know what lua is,  really? everything i read pretty much says that its not a good place to start and too hard and technical, and that python is better for starting
[05:09] <forced> Extra overhead = kills when you need all the performance you can get.
[05:09] <tsume> bwlang: the overhead of python is not light as lua
 I'm right  <tsume> no, I'm right
[05:09] <regeya_> NO YUO
[05:09] <Quest-Master> tsume: Don't get into this "you're a n00b" shit. It won't get you anywhere.
[05:09] <Quest-Master> :)
[05:09] <tsume> bwlang: vmSize for Python, 3megs, vmsize for lua 102k
[05:09] <dpod> Chislon: Yeah I'd guess so. Certainly all the standards guys use it (which is why I'm going that way): I'm in academia, and we're purists. Given the other things you're talking about, you should learn everything you need to know about text and 2-d in an afternoon.
[05:10] <tsume> Quest-Master: you're ignored for being ignorant and talking out of your ass
[05:10] <bwlang> tsume: i don't want to get into it with you.. tight loops are similar in all languages...   why are you talking about memory usage - this is irrelevant to numerical calculation
[05:10] <JDahl> Quest-Master, you sort of pushed my buttons there... numerical computations in python (or any interpreted language) can be very fast if they done right and only a few critical parts are written as C extension modules
[05:10] <tsume> Chislon: I can give you emails to people who actually create games
[05:10] <tsume> Chislon: they use 1) C++, and 2) lua
[05:10] <Quest-Master> Simply put, Python is good for game creation in general unless it's memory intensive, and even for operations of those kind, they can be written as external C modules for the extra speed needed.
 Mine is bigger <tsume> I IGNORE YOU
[05:11] <Quest-Master> JDahl: Exactly. :)
[05:11] <Quest-Master> regeya_: Hehe.
[05:11] <regeya_> whee
[05:11] <tsume> bwlang: then use C# and see how bloated and slow the numerical computation is
[05:11] <regeya_> both y'all just calm down! :-)
[05:11] <tsume> bwlang: C++ and lua are both very evolved and mature langugages compared to your fad languages
[05:11] <Johnnyfav> how come Ubuntu displays photos better?
[05:12] <tsume> bwlang: you obviously don't know what the hell meta programming is, or you would see the light
[05:12] <regeya_> tsume: isn't C++ a bit excessive?  why not lovingly hand-encoded assembly
[05:12] <tsume> Johnnyfav: gnome image viewer does that
[05:12] <Chislon> dpod who are the standards guys, what/where is academia,? and what do you mean, where do i learn it about im kinda confused
[05:12] <tsume> regeya_: hell no.
[05:12] <regeya_> wuss.
[05:12] <Chislon> tsume, i know that c++ is the main thing used in games... but most things agree its nto a good place to start that ive read, what does lua stand for?
[05:12] <tsume> regeya_: when used correctly C++ can be better than FORTRAN
[05:12] <dpod> Getting back to serious business: WHY WON'T SOMEBODY SAY HOW TO ADD SOMETHING TO /etc/rcS.d ( shouting is jocular, honest)
[05:12] <Johnnyfav> it's great
[05:12] <Johnnyfav> I love it
[05:12] <tsume> regeya_: not every algo is good by passing a freking reference :)
[05:13] <regeya_> wuss.
[05:13] <Quest-Master> tsume: Fad languages? I highly suggest you take a look again at the languages you speak of. There's a reason why even advanced C/C++ coders are moving to other languages now.
[05:13] <bwlang> let's take this somewhere else... we're getting astray of ubuntu
[05:13] <tsume> Chislon: lua is just a scripting langauge which is very light. It just happened to be used with many games.. even Xbox games.. which are made in C++ :)
[05:13] <regeya_> sorry bwlang
[05:13] <Quest-Master> bwlang: Agreed.. I rest my case. Won't speak any further on the subject.
[05:13] <regeya_> Ah write mah games in clisp
[05:13] <Chislon> tsume, ok, is it just refered to as lua or does it stand for soemthing else
[05:13] <bwlang> how about ##programming for those who are interested
[05:14] <tsume> Chislon: you'll have to excuse these people in here. They've no idea what they are talking about
[05:14] <dooglus> dpod: try sysv-rc-conf
[05:14] <JDahl> tsume, in what ways can C++ be better than fortran?
[05:14] <bwlang> Chislon: i recommend you take all this advice with a pint of salt.
[05:14] <shanon> This is really a rediculous conversation
[05:14] <shanon> bwlang: Agreed
[05:14] <tsume> JDahl: there are areas which fortran are better than C++. sometimes its very shorter(3k lines) to implement in fortran than C++ ;)
[05:14] <dennis__> Can anyone here help me install nvidia sound drivers?
[05:14] <dpod> Chislon: standards guys are the W3C and TEI (http://www.tei-c.org/) groups that are working to keep html and other languages standard. Academia is the university world, where we're paid to, well have our heads up our asses. And I've forgotten what else you were confused about.
[05:15] <Chislon> no offense but im not really taking anyones opinion in here too seriously... most things i read and hear say to start with python... so thats what i think ill be doing, it wont hurt, so why not
[05:15] <Quest-Master> Chislon: Good idea. :)
[05:15] <bwlang> Chislon: because tsume will flip out ;)
[05:15] <dooglus> Chislon: python's as good a language to start with as any
[05:15] <Noggin> this is nice.... i've considered that some of my problems are heat related so I have my laptop sitting on a block of ice.  Then I remembered that the top on my car was down, so I went to put it up.  When I came back inside, my laptop had slid off the ice which was up on my desk and was lying upside down on the floor.  I'm sure this is going to help :(
[05:15] <tsume> Chislon: I recommend getting a good on creating games. All the ones you will see use C++
[05:15] <shanon> Chislon: Python is a very nice language. If you are looking for a language to learn programming on then yes, python is a good one
[05:16] <Quest-Master> Chislon: Python teaches you the one BEST way to accomplish a task. That mindset will help you in all other programming languages, even C++ if you decide to learn it.
[05:16] <tsume> Chislon: python is very slow at numerical computation. The "they all run the same code" is a bs statement from langauge programmers who try to jusitify easier for speed
[05:16] <Quest-Master> Chislon: Plus, there are libraries like Pygame and PyOpenGL for game creation which you might be interested in.
[05:17] <dennis__> Can anyone here help me install nvidia sound drivers? I
[05:17] <disasm> Noggin: are you serious?
[05:17] <dennis__> 'm having some troubles
[05:17] <demonic> anyone want to help my monitor
[05:17] <JDahl> tsume, I am not an expert on compilers, but Fortran people claim that a Fortran compiler normally can optimize algorithmic code more than a C compiler
[05:17] <dpod> Noggin: that has to be a pretty unique problem description on this list.
[05:17] <Chislon> Quest-Master, bwlang, dooglus , shanon, thank you
[05:17] <tsume> JDahl: depends on the compiler
[05:17] <kman_> Is the guide at http://ubuntuguide.org outdated?
[05:17] <Noggin> 100%.  my cd drive is broken, my power cord won't plug in, and my laptop will not post.  BUT, this is the first time in 3 years that the battery has worked
[05:17] <shanon> kman_: why ?
[05:17] <Quest-Master> Chislon: No problem. I wish you the best of luck in your programming times! :)
[05:17] <regeya_> C++ is a crutch for lazy people
[05:18] <demonic> anyway how do I change the frquecies of the X output
[05:18] <tsume> JDahl: intel C++ compiler can have its bad areas compared to Gcc. sometimes gcc is faster. Its all about the compiler optimisation
[05:18] <Chislon> tsume, thank you for advice, i think it will just be better for me to start at python, but most commercial stuff is made in C++ but Myst was made in some langauge, dont know what its called, that everyone thinks is silly to do, and there are some commercial games made in python i bleieve
[05:18] <Davey> I have a problem with the device manager, it says hald is not started, but I can't seem to start it :/
[05:18] <shanon> regeya_: Them's fightn' words! 8)
[05:18] <regeya_> hehe
[05:18] <iceman> damit goole ... no distros that will install on windows 98...
[05:18] <Chislon> Quest-Master, thank you, however looking at the Pygame site... the games didnt really look modern.. so i dunno, didnt make me too excited
[05:18] <iceman> not with new hardware
[05:18] <tsume> Chislon: yes, but there aren't high speed graphical 3d games in python
[05:18] <kman_> shanon: java doesn't work, and a few others don't work..
[05:18] <synd> how do i enable VNCviewer on ubuntu? rahter how do i connect to it from another comp on my network??
[05:18] <disasm> Noggin: not sure the ice was the greatest idea, water and electronics don't go together... let alone the whole slippage thing
[05:18] <regeya_> well, if anyone wants to know why extreme amounts of RAM are necessary these days, it's because of lazy-ass C++ programmers. :-P
[05:18] <tsume> Chislon: which is why I said C++.
[05:19] <Noggin> nah, there's no problem with water
[05:19] <tsume> regeya_: you're not bs'ing anyone here
[05:19] <Quest-Master> Chislon: Well, Pygame is more oriented for 2D gaming. Take a look at PyOGRE and PyOpenGL for modern stuff.
[05:19] <dpod> Noggin: what a solution. I' think I'll get my wife to try that with her notebook battery. It would certainly make for some interesting looks when I suggest it. The question is are you better off now that you were before the ice block?
[05:19] <bwlang> synd: vncviewer allows you to connect to other computers... if you want to allow others to connect to you then you need vncserver...
[05:19] <shanon> kman_: I installed from the guide not long ago and everything seems good here. I haven't done any real testing with java though
[05:19] <regeya_> tsume: I enjoy your IRC channel.
[05:19] <tsume> regeya_: the need for high amounts of ram come from languages with a high overhead.
[05:19] <disasm> synd: tightvncserver for a new instance, x11vnc for current desktop
[05:19] <tsume> regeya_: ...
[05:19] <Noggin> worse, much worse.  I think the laptop is toast now.   I may dismantle it to see if its repairable from the inside, but not tonight of course
[05:19] <synd> bwlang, disasm: is there a HOWTO online anywhere?
[05:20] <Arrogant> man of course you need to use c++ because it takes very long time and time means more hours so you get paid more!!!
[05:20] <tsume> regeya_: don't be a smart ass to me :)
[05:20] <Chislon> tsume, i cant start out making WoW in the first place though so its probably a good place to start
[05:20] <shanon> tsume: That is an incorrect statement
[05:20] <Noggin> but the REAL problem is that i will not be able to check my email this weekend, and thats pretty serious.  I have a LOT going on at work
[05:20] <Chislon> Quest-Master, oh ok awesome, thank you
[05:20] <tsume> Chislon: its best to do it right the first time
[05:20] <kman_> shanon: says it can't find the file. I did update my apt-get list too.
[05:20] <Quest-Master> Chislon: If you'd like to spend lots and lots of time working with memory addressing + allocation as well as pointers and type declaration of objects which just might make your head spin, which is what tsume is recommending you to do, do C++.
[05:20] <regeya_> Arrogant, amen to that statement about C++
[05:20] <yccheok> my housemate xp MBR have corrupted.
[05:20] <bwlang> synd: it's too easy for a howto... you just runt the command....  check out /usr/share/doc/vncserver
[05:20] <shanon> kman_: Which step ?
[05:20] <dpod> Noggin: I guess that solves two problems: your battery and your grub problem. A little like knocking your head with a hammer to take your mind of a sore finger, but...
[05:20] <yccheok> how i can save my MBR and copy to him
[05:20] <synd> bwlang: i have vncviewer on another box running DSL (damn small linux) and would like to connect to this computer.. running ubuntu
[05:21] <synd> bwlang: oh ok
[05:21] <Chislon> tsume, and the majority of what i read and hear supports that starting with python is the right path, to get a better understanding of programming itself, rather than just a language, making progressing to others easier
[05:21] <Arrogant> actually by that logic we should all use fortran to make games
[05:21] <yccheok> his computer is same as mine, linue/ windows xp dual boot
[05:21] <Quest-Master> Chislon: If you'd like to learn the best methods of object-oriented programming, and have a good time while programming and learning all of the concepts, choose Python.
[05:21] <Chislon> Quest-Master, i dont know what any of that means lol
[05:21] <Quest-Master> Chislon: Exactly. That's why you want to start off with Python. :)
[05:21] <kman_> shanon: this part, sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[05:21] <regeya_> CHislon, a language like Python is great for learning things you'll need to know later, and has its uses, to be sure, but it's not for everything. :-)
[05:21] <bwlang> synd: if you want to have it start its own session just run vncserver...  you'll have to set a password
[05:21] <Chislon> Quest-Master, i hope python will be fun, but it does sound like a good place to start
[05:21] <Arrogant> Object-oriented programming is evil dont use it it has large overhead and takes less time and makes more sense
[05:21] <Arrogant> no real programmer would use it!!!
[05:22] <regeya_> hehe
[05:22] <regeya_> I wouldn't say that OO is evil.  Just C++.
[05:22] <Arrogant> you have to read core dumps and use pointers or you are a wimp
[05:22] <Chislon> regeya, thank you, and yes ive read that also, it seems different lang are better for different things, so ive heard of things like c modules wrappe din python or something, i dont really know what it all means or how it all works, but it probably makes sense heh heh
[05:22] <bwlang> \emote wonders if Arrogant is a troll...
[05:22] <hikaru79> Arrogant, lol.
[05:22] <regeya_> lol
[05:22] <Quest-Master> Arrogant is joking guys.. :)
[05:22] <JDahl> Arrogant, and real debugging is done with printf... people using gdb are pancies
[05:22] <shanon> kman_: let me check mine
[05:23] <disasm> \emote? never seen that command before ;-)
[05:23] <kman_> shanon: thanks
[05:23] <dennis__> What are some good free html editors?
[05:23] <regeya_> vi.
[05:23] <disasm> dennis__: bluefish
[05:23] <Arrogant> You know, no matter what language you use, OpenGL still sucks ;_;
[05:23] <disasm> regeya_: yeah, that's even better ;-)
[05:23] <dpod> dennis__: emacs
[05:23] <Quest-Master> ScITE.
[05:23] <dennis__> I need a good webeditor....that will organize my code nicely :D
[05:23] <Arrogant> dennis__: SciTE
[05:23] <Quest-Master> dennis__: Overwhelmed by the responses, aren't you? :P
[05:23] <dennis__> No Gui
[05:23] <Arrogant> Oh.
[05:23] <Chislon> with python would i be able to make games equivalent to flash games?
[05:23] <Quest-Master> dennis__: Use ScITE then.
[05:23] <kman_> shanon: also acroread doesn't work as well.
[05:23] <dennis__> Okay.
[05:23] <Quest-Master> Chislon: Yes.
[05:23] <mikere> Arrogant: I think it's only advantage is being better than the alternatives
[05:23] <Chislon> tho perhaps i should take that to the python room rather then here
[05:24] <tsume> Chislon: you are welcomed to use whatever you want. You will later find out you should have used C++ to begin with. I learned C++ first, but though "Hey, lets use ruby to make a simple 3d model of a modifyable dna chain", like python, java, and other languages.. it will be slow, and you'll later use C++
[05:24] <Arrogant> mikere: As so often is the case
[05:24] <disasm> dennis__: if you dont want a gui, go with vi, it will auto-indent your lines and has syntax highlighting
[05:24] <synd> bwlang: should i get xvncserver or just vncserver in the apt?
[05:24] <dennis__> Alright...
[05:24] <tsume> Chislon: C++ is very portable, and if you are using opengl, its portable to all platforms.
[05:24] <Chislon> Quest-Master, ok thank you (ones better than flash?)
[05:24] <disasm> dennis__: if you want my .vimrc, just let me know
[05:24] <Arrogant> Flash is not for games
[05:24] <dennis__> Okay
[05:24] <Arrogant> Flash is for llama songs
[05:24] <Quest-Master> Chislon: With PyOpenGL, you sure will :)
[05:24] <Arrogant> And schfifty five
[05:24] <tsume> oh god.. its Arrogant
[05:24] <dennis__> Does anyone know of a good free flash option for linux?
[05:24] <dennis__> Is there even one??
[05:24] <Arrogant> oh god its tsume
[05:25] <tsume> dennis__: gnu flash?
[05:25] <disasm> yeah, there is a gpl flash
[05:25] <Noggin> good news is that the DC connector on the laptop is broken and a soldering iron will fix it, and ironicly I wouldn't have discovered that if my cd drive wasn't broken
[05:25] <regeya_> tsume: C++ is great.  That's what they started students on at the Uni I attended.  When I figured out that C++ was going to be the standard and that it was a big cluster-you-know-what, I changed majors.
[05:25] <tsume> oops. gplflash :)
[05:25] <dennis__> Okay
[05:25] <dennis__> :D
[05:25] <Chislon> tsume, thank you for your advice, and i may find that out later, but if i do i dont think ill stress over it too much, i think that i will find learning python to be easier and more enjoyable adn less likely for me to just give up on
[05:25] <firewire> ming
[05:25] <dennis__> Now,, here comes the hard part.
[05:25] <regeya_> C++ started out so great
[05:25] <regeya_> seriously
[05:25] <joe|code> gplflash woohoo
[05:25] <dpod> denis: I thought I apt-gotted something the other day from Ubuntu.
[05:25] <tsume> Chislon: you are doing exactly what I did :)
[05:25] <Chislon> Quest-Master, ok, so flash cant do anything game wise that python cant?
[05:25] <Chislon> tsume, how do you mean
[05:25] <regeya_> I loved C++ in its infancy
[05:25] <Quest-Master> Chislon: Besides running on a web browser, no.
[05:25] <Arrogant> Chislon: Of course not, Python is a language
[05:25] <bwlang> synd: i only see tightvncserver and vncserver...  - doesn't really matter which you choose - tight is a bit better for slow connections
[05:25] <tsume> Chislon: nevermind. Just go ahead :)
[05:25] <Arrogant> With C extensions
[05:25] <dennis__> Does anyone know why I can here system sounds and not mp3s that are playing....
[05:25] <zenlunatic> Does Hoary use x.org or xfree?
[05:25] <Arrogant> It can do anything
[05:26] <Chislon> tsume, ok thank you
[05:26] <Arrogant> Flash can't do a lot of things :)
[05:26] <Chislon> lol i mean for the game engine
[05:26] <Quest-Master> zenlunatic: XOrg
[05:26] <bwlang> zenlunatic: x.org
[05:26] <Chislon> like the game part of flash
[05:26] <Arrogant> You can make much better games in Python
[05:26] <synd> bwlang: my bad, i thought it said xvncserver ..
[05:26] <dpod> Noggin: it sounds like fawlty towers at your place. don't mention the war.
[05:26] <Chislon> thats what i meant
[05:26] <Arrogant> Just doesn't happen very often
[05:26] <Chislon> i mayh ahve said it wrong
[05:26] <psychonate|away> crimsun: you around
[05:26] <JDahl> tsume, if you refuse to use any sort of interpreted language for development and write all your code directly in C++, then I think you're either programming very simple things, or have too much time on your hands
[05:26] <shanon> kman_: I think I see what is wrong. The extra repositories part has been updated very recently. I assume you are using the one specified in there?
[05:26] <Chislon> python can do everything game wise that flash can do and more/better correct?
[05:26] <tsume> Chislon: I've been using C++ to create a true fast engine. With the help of some fortran. Its not for a game, but for education and interactive response situations. If I used another language like java, it would have died before it began
[05:26] <Noggin> I'll pretend I know what you're talking about dpod :)
[05:26] <Chislon> is it harder in python then in flash?
[05:26] <Noggin> g'night everyone, and don't put your PC's on ice
[05:26] <tsume> JDahl: I use lua with it, because its very light
[05:26] <disasm> synd: vncserver or tightvncserver depending on what version vnc you have
[05:27] <Quest-Master> tsume: Perhaps with Java, but not Python
[05:27] <dennis__> Does anyone know why I can here system sounds and not mp3s that are playing....
[05:27] <Quest-Master> Chislon: Yep.
[05:27] <bwlang> dennis__: system sounds like beeps don't depend on your sound driver... if you're  - it could be that your mp3 player is not using esd for its output
[05:27] <Arrogant> tsume: That might be because Java is terrible
[05:27] <kman_> shanon, yes, I am using the one listed
[05:27] <Chislon> tsume, oh, that sounds like a kool project, tho im not sure what interactive response situtations are
[05:27] <mikere> JDahl: a good programmer can be productive in any environment.  Friend of mine codes almost exclusively in ASM - but his custom libraries make him very productive
[05:27] <tsume> Quest-Master: you really think you are a know-it-all. don't you? you haven't check the vmSize of what java uses, and compared to python.
[05:27] <synd> bwlang: ok i set up a password and it gave me "New 'X' desktop is ubuntu:1"
[05:27] <kman_> shanon: do you have the info on the new one?
[05:27] <dennis__> bwlang, by system sounds I mean't like the sound gnome makes when I eject a cdrom
[05:27] <shanon> kman_: It used to specify a debian testing one which is the one I used to install java. However that one had problems so they have removed it. They have obviously not tested the java packages after they changed it
[05:27] <bwlang> synd: good - now just run the viewer from the other machine...
[05:27] <Chislon> so its harder in python, but with that larger degree of difficulty does that also bring with it em, "betterness" ?
[05:27] <tsume> Chislon: :) like a 3d world where meetings can be brought to the employees ;)
[05:28] <iceman> anyone know what this is FTGUIX compliance
[05:28] <Chislon> tsume, sounds kool
[05:28] <disasm> synd: now xtightvncviewer <ip_of_desktop>
[05:28] <tsume> Chislon: C++ is easy...
[05:28] <Quest-Master> tsume: Oh yeah, by stating the facts, I MUST be implying that I'm a know-it-all!
[05:28] <Arrogant> lol#python
[05:28] <synd> bwlang: i did, but it wants me to type in the vnc server
[05:28] <bwlang> dennis__: sounds like the second problem... check the output of your mp3 player
[05:28] <Arrogant> ##python*
[05:28] <Arrogant> bye
[05:28] <tsume> Chislon: STL on the other hand.. to be good with metaprogramming, takes time
[05:28] <dennis__> bwlang, how do I do that?
[05:28] <bwlang> synd: that's the ip address of you server...
[05:28] <kman_> shanon: or the acroread
[05:28] <tsume> Quest-Master: no, you're speaking out your ass
[05:28] <Chislon> tsume, i dont think c++ would be as easy for me to start with as it sounds like it was fo ryou
[05:28] <regeya_> "C++ is easy until you get into the useful stuff"
[05:28] <tsume> Quest-Master: *plonk*
[05:28] <synd> bwlang: ubuntu:1 ?
[05:28] <tsume> Chislon: with books, its easy
[05:28] <bwlang> dennis__: sorry dude... i don't even know what your mp3 player is... i can recommend rhythmbox
[05:29] <shanon> kman_: I removed it from my repositories as it was causing problems for other packages. I will have a look and see if I have it somewhere
[05:29] <tsume> Chislon: I learned from Bjarne and later.. the C++ standard
[05:29] <Quest-Master> tsume: I'd suggest you stop with the flaming, please. We don't want to turn #ubuntu into another #debian
[05:29] <bwlang> synd: unlikely... unless you have set up dns to make ubuntu resolve to 192.168.7.33 or whatever your ip address is
[05:29] <tsume> I'm eager to get my hands on the 2003 C++ standard
[05:29] <dennis__> Okay...I have rhythmbox open bwlang
[05:29] <jayson_I> can i run macromedia dreamweaver in ubuntu?
[05:29] <JDahl> mikere, point well taken... I can only speak for myself and say that if I had to do all my programming in, e.g., C then I wouldnt be very productive
[05:29] <fidget> i'm intrested in installing ubuntu linux on a apple ibook so that I can use blender as well as Maya is there any concerns with a dual booting ibook?
[05:29] <regeya_> lol
[05:29] <bwlang> synd: find out your ip by typing ifconfig at a command prompt
[05:29] <dennis__> bwlang, how do I check the output?
[05:29] <Quest-Master> jayson_I: Yeah.. with cxoffice I believe
[05:29] <tsume> its supposed to be filled with useful information on what the language will implement internally next
[05:29] <mikere> hard to see the ubuntu questions with all the programming chat
[05:29] <regeya_> and I apologize also Quest-Master; my flaming tsume isn't helping any
[05:30] <Quest-Master> fidget: None at all I believe
[05:30] <Quest-Master> regeya_: Forgiven! lol.
[05:30] <tsume> regeya_: well at least you are admitting it
[05:30] <Chislon> tsume, what is Bjarne
[05:30] <regeya_> tsume: you next.
[05:30] <tsume> Chislon: Bjarne.. God :)
[05:30] <fidget> is there any real advantage to using a ibook instead of a pc laptop ...?
[05:30] <jayson_I> Quest-Master: like wine?
[05:30] <Quest-Master> jayson_I: Yep.
[05:31] <Quest-Master> fidget: Not really I guess. More support for PC laptops than iBook though in general.
[05:31] <tsume> regeya_: well.. my responses are a bit hasty answering to you :) or I would have thought them out to explain each negative response to C++
[05:31] <bwlang> dennis__: in rhythmbox you don't have to... it only talks to esd i think...
[05:31] <fidget> i see ...
[05:31] <tsume> regeya_: anyway, sorry
[05:31] <fidget> thanks for your help =)
[05:31] <tsume> brb, eating
[05:31] <bwlang> dennis__:  try checking the volume in rhythmbox
[05:31] <dennis__> Bwlang it says I do not have the correct plugin to play .mp3 files
[05:31] <dennis__> What plugin do I need?
[05:32] <bwlang> dennis__: there are some dependencies in aptitude ... the gstreamer plugins
[05:32] <Quest-Master> dennis__: sudo apt-get install gstreamer-mad
[05:33] <bwlang> dennis__: you tell rhythmbox which output plugin to use by configureing gstreamer
[05:33] <dennis__> Ah
[05:33] <dennis__> I installed gstreamer earlier...
[05:33] <dennis__> How do I configure it?
[05:33] <Chislon> Quest-Master, may i pm you?
[05:33] <Quest-Master> Chislon: Sure!
[05:34] <nalioth> dennis__: gstreamer0.8-mad actually
[05:34] <Quest-Master> nalioth: That's right, sorry.
[05:34] <dennis__> I have the mad plugin too
[05:34] <bwlang> dennis__: gstreamer-properties from a command line... dunno how to get there in the gui
[05:34] <dennis__> How do I configure it though
[05:35] <dennis__> What do I set it to?
[05:35] <dennis__> What sink and what source?
[05:35] <bwlang> dennis__: depends on your system... i use alsa and the dmix plugin - but that's a bit complicated to set up...
[05:36] <bwlang> dennis__: try esd
[05:36] <dennis__> On both?
[05:36] <dennis__> What about video?
[05:36] <bwlang> dennis__: don't worry abot video for now
[05:36] <nalioth> dennis__: my machine automagically saw the plugins. what machine do you have?
[05:36] <dennis__> what do you mean what machine?
[05:36] <dennis__> :/
[05:36] <JDahl> Chislon, a fun way to learn python is www.pythonchallenge,com
[05:36] <dooglus> JDahl: ugh.  was it you who got me started on that?
[05:36] <dennis__> Well it can't establish a connection to any of the output options
[05:37] <bwlang> dennis__: he's asking about your computer... - specifically which sound card
[05:37] <dennis__> Its onboard :(
[05:37] <JDahl> dooglus, no
[05:37] <dennis__> Nforce2
[05:37] <bwlang> dennis__: is esd running?
[05:37] <dooglus> JDahl: define fun!
[05:37] <dennis__> How do I check that?
[05:37] <bwlang> dennis__: ps aux | grep esd
[05:37] <dennis__> :(
[05:38] <dennis__> root@Spartan:/home/dennis # ps aux | grep esd
[05:38] <dennis__> dennis    7730  0.0  0.7   5324  4032 ?        S    13:52   0:00 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps
[05:38] <dennis__> root     13941  0.0  0.1   3036   724 pts/0    S+   20:37   0:00 grep esd
[05:38] <bwlang> dennis__: a simple yes would do ;)
[05:38] <dooglus> a more fun way to learn python is to repeatedly hit yourself over the head with o'reilly's "programming python"
[05:38] <dennis__> lol
[05:38] <Chislon> JDahl, great thank you
[05:39] <dennis__> Alright...now that it is working bwlang...how come gstreamer can't construct a pipeline?
[05:39] <bwlang> okay ...  esd is running and it's owned by you... gstreamer should be able to set its output sink to esd.  try just setting that and leaving the default input at whatever it was before.
[05:40] <synd> holy hell VNC is amazing
[05:40] <bwlang> dennis__: i got that pipeline error once when gstreamer was all screwed up... i had to purge and reinstall to fix it. (probably because i don't really understand how it works)
[05:41] <dennis__> Purge and reinstall eh?
[05:41] <bwlang> synd: it's pretty cool - but not compared to nomachine nx.
[05:41] <bwlang> dennis__: well... i hate to recommend that... but unless somebody with more expertise has a suggestion - that's what i'd do
[05:41] <dennis__> lol
[05:42] <synd> bwlang: nomachine nx??
[05:42] <kangpeh> Hey, I had a quick question...
[05:42] <dennis__> Wow...
[05:42] <dennis__> I got it to connect to a stream
[05:42] <dennis__> and it is playing
[05:42] <kangpeh> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/dists/hoary-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 401 Authorization Required
[05:43] <kangpeh> I've been getting this type of error lately ;O
[05:43] <dennis__> Can anyone recommend a good vector program for Linux?
[05:43] <dennis__> Free?
[05:43] <JDahl> xfig
[05:43] <kangpeh> Anyone know anything about this possible error?
[05:43] <nalioth> dennis__: inkscape
[05:44] <dennis__> How do you close a program that isn't responding?
[05:44] <dennis__> XMMS crashed and won't play or close
[05:44] <dennis__> I can't move it either
[05:44] <bwlang> synd: it rocks compared to vnc... they actually cache X11 objects on the client ... very cool
[05:44] <makotokun> hi everyone...  super noob here
[05:45] <synd> oh i see..
[05:45] <synd> bwlang: is it in the apt?
[05:45] <bwlang> dennis__: xfig is old school - i use that... some people like dia, some like inkscape
[05:45] <dennis__> Ah
[05:45] <dennis__> What about closing apps that are frozen
[05:45] <dennis__> and right click / close doesn't work :D
[05:45] <makotokun> Could someone help me with a problem I have please?
[05:45] <bwlang> synd: i don't think so... i think it's proprietary... vnc is fine if your on a local network and just have one connection
[05:46] <jayson_I> there is an available download mySQL in ubuntu?
[05:46] <JDahl> makotokun, sure, just ask
[05:46] <synd> bwlang: ah i see. is there a way to connect to my home network via vnc from say.. my work?
[05:46] <bwlang> dennis__: ps aux |grep program name ... figure out the PID - then kill PID  or as a last resort kill -9 PID
[05:47] <nalioth> makotokun: speak up
[05:47] <bwlang> synd: you can tunnel vnc inside an ssh session... i use that sometimes.  you'll have to read up on ssh tunnels
[05:47] <nalioth> synd: yes i do it all the time
[05:47] <dennis__> What number is the PID?
[05:47] <nate__> someone, how do you reload x, not restart it?
[05:47] <makotokun> I just installed ubuntu.  I have two hard drives, neither show up as mounted.  I read for 3 hours on mounting them. Tried many things to no avail...
[05:47] <dennis__> thats the same thing :/
[05:47] <bwlang> dennis__: it's the first one (2nd column)
[05:47] <nalioth> synd: its really kewl to be in the cab, keepin up with the home machine
[05:47] <dennis__> okay
[05:47] <dougsk> jayson_I, yes of course version  4.0.23-3ubuntu2
[05:48] <synd> nalioth: how did you go by doing that?
[05:48] <sproingie> is there a pointy clicky interface for setting up IP forwarding, NAT, that sort of thing?
[05:48] <bwlang> nate__: /etc/init.d/gdm restart will totally restart X (assuming you use gdm)
[05:48] <synd> can i do it from os x?! nalioth ?
[05:48] <nalioth> synd: ssh tunneling
[05:48] <dennis__> Bwlang, root@Spartan:/home/dennis # ps aux |grep XMMS
[05:48] <dennis__> root     14082  0.0  0.1   2904   708 pts/0    R+   20:47   0:00 grep XMMS
[05:48] <dennis__> root@Spartan:/home/dennis # kill -9 14082
[05:48] <dennis__> bash: kill: (14082) - No such process
[05:48] <dougsk> sproingie, lots of options firestarter, gaurddog to start
[05:48] <makotokun> I went on ubuntuguide.org and folloed instuctions but it does not seem to work
[05:48] <nalioth> synd: surely
[05:48] <dooglus> dennis__: sodipodi!  :)
[05:48] <dennis__> ?
[05:48] <nalioth> synd: ssh works on all major platforms
[05:48] <bwlang> dennis__: it's case sensitive... the 14082 process is the grep process that is looking for XMMS
[05:48] <sproingie> dougsk: what would you recommend?
[05:49] <dooglus> dennis__: vector program
[05:49] <nalioth> makotokun: what EXACTLY are you trying to do?
[05:49] <dennis__> Isn't that what it is called?
[05:49] <dennis__> XMMS?
[05:49] <dougsk> sproingie, depends on what the needs are.  I'd look at either of the two I mentioned first though
[05:49] <bwlang> dooglus: i think sodipodi died... and became inkscape...
[05:49] <synd> nalioth: how about just on my LAN from OSX?
[05:49] <bwlang> dennis__: i think its xmms... if you do ps aux you can see all the process that are running
[05:49] <dooglus> bwlang: really?
[05:50] <nalioth> synd: same way
[05:50] <bwlang> dooglus: well - i'm not 100% sure... i think so
[05:50] <makotokun> well I want to be able to see an icon for my drives and be able to look at my files.
[05:50] <nalioth> synd: once you get it set up, it works the same whether from a different room or a different continent
[05:50] <dennis__> Okay I killed it :D
[05:50] <dennis__> Yay
[05:50] <makotokun> One of them I had to format of course to install ubuntu.  the other has all my files and is a slave drive
[05:50] <synd> nalioth: what im asking is that is there a vnc viewer for os x
[05:50] <dooglus> bwlang: sodipodi just used 3Mb when I installed it, inkspace wants to use 21Mb
[05:50] <synd> nalioth: rather, what is it?
[05:51] <nalioth> synd: yes  versiontracker.com and pick your fav
[05:51] <dougsk> sproingie, if your on a gnome only system look at firestarter, if you have kdelibs you might checkout guarddog
[05:51] <dennis__> Now to get the sound to work :(
[05:51] <nalioth> synd: or you can have fink install you one
[05:51] <synd> this is exciting
[05:52] <dooglus> here's a comparing of inkscape and sodipodi, with some history: http://www.inkscape.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?SodiPodi
[05:52] <dougsk> sproingie, if your looking for more complex tools then fwbuilder, shorewall, or straight iptables will certianly handle the task
[05:52] <iceman> wow 2 hours to download 8 cd images
[05:52] <bwlang> dooglus: just did some reading... looks like inkscape is a fork.
[05:52] <dougsk> iceman, I want you connection.
[05:52] <crimsun> psychonate|away: yes, what's up?
[05:52] <synd> this is awesome. im gonna set up a vncserver on my ex's comp so i dont have to waste time going over there to fix shit cause shes too stupid to follow directions ovvvver the phone
[05:52] <synd> over*
[05:52] <dougsk> synd, you might give freenx a look
[05:52] <bwlang> synd: dude.. ex mean - no more free tech support.
[05:53] <nalioth> makotokun: you should read at the www.tldp.org about mounting drives
[05:53] <kangpeh> To whom it may concern, when using synaptic or, in terminal, using apt-get; I encountered such an error which did not allow me to update my packages:  401 Authorization Required.  This occurred when attempting to retrieve http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/dists/hoary-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz.  Should I take that line out of my sources.list?
[05:53] <nalioth> synd: you go! grrl!
[05:53] <sproingie> dougsk: i'm on a kde only system, but i used firestarter.  DAMN that was easy.
[05:53] <synd> bwlang: she gives me free tech support, still. : )
[05:53] <nalioth> heh heh
[05:53] <makotokun> ok thanks ill go there and try
[05:53] <iceman> Anyone seen ftosx ?
[05:53] <sproingie> dougsk: i have been beating my head against the wall ALL DAY, and this did it in literally 10 seconds
[05:53] <dennis__> bwlang,  now, how do I purge and reinstall Gstreamer?
[05:53] <nalioth> kangpeh: backports are trouble, comment the lines out
[05:54] <dougsk> sproingie, yeas nice aint it?
[05:54] <synd> dougsk: freenx for osx?
[05:54] <sproingie> dougsk: thanks ... again, i think -- didn't you help me with the ATI drivers last time?
[05:54] <sproingie> dougsk++
[05:54] <dougsk> synd, not sure tbh
[05:54] <nalioth> synd: freenx is opensourced
[05:54] <dougsk> spacey, nah not a clue about ati.  wrong guy
[05:54] <iceman> Anyone seen this Distro ...FTOSX ?
[05:54] <sproingie> dougsk: heh.  well thanks for the pointer
[05:54] <kangpeh> nalioth:  Thank you kind sir.  I will heed your advice and attempt to comment the lines out at or about 11:57 PM tonight.
[05:55] <bwlang> apt-get remove --purge gstreamer* - you're not going to like that though... it will probably de install a bunch of stuff you like
[05:55] <kangpeh> nalioth:  Once again, I really appreciate your warm and kind help.
[05:55] <synd> nalioth, dougsk, bwlang: thanks guys
[05:55] <dougsk> synd, I didn't do anything,but I'll take credit for it
[05:55] <synd> i have now found entertainment for tonight.. besides this bottle of jim beam
[05:56] <HostingGeek> This channel is a ram eater
[05:56] <nalioth> makotokun: i don't (and most others, too) accept private chats w/o prior request
[05:56] <bwlang> HostingGeek: why - cause it convinces you to install a bunch of X11 software ? :)
[05:56] <dougsk> HostingGeek, I find that it's that open copy of firefox that seems to do it.
[05:57] <^thehatsrule^> HostingGeek, it depends on what client ;p
[05:57] <dougsk> bwlang, point well taken
[05:57] <makotokun> oh sorry
[05:57] <makotokun> im learning
[05:57] <HostingGeek> ^thehatsrule^: Please tell #xchat-gnome to move to a ram friendly core
[05:57] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[05:57] <kangpeh> nalioth:  I have a kind and warm question for you, kind sir.  After removing the backports lines from my sources.list, and looking in synaptic, I noticed Mozilla Firefox was  as 'local or obsolete' as well as wine and other such applicatio.
[05:58] <kangpeh> nalioth:  Where does one get the sources for such applications (officially from UBUNTU)?
[05:58] <^thehatsrule^> use an older xchat maybe?
[05:58] <^thehatsrule^> gtk1 :P
[05:59] <nalioth> kangpeh: and so the reason for not using backports. they break software
[05:59] <HostingGeek> Mr_Smiley: How can a bigpond user smile?
[06:00] <nalioth> !restricted
[06:00] <ubotu> nalioth: Are you smoking crack?
[06:00] <kangpeh> nalioth:  Can you fix my system, kind sir?
[06:00] <nalioth> !restricted
[06:00] <nalioth> now the farking bot is misbehaving
[06:00] <nalioth> kangpeh: one moment please
[06:00] <crimsun> it might just be lagged
[06:00] <kangpeh> nalioth:  Thank you.
[06:00] <nalioth> no it said i was a crackhead immediately
[06:00] <dennis__> bwlang, so how do you suggest I delete and reinstall gstramer?
[06:00] <kangpeh> nalioth:  What is the apt or deb command that shows the packages that are NOT from the sources - but were, rather, local or obsolete?
[06:01] <Mr_Smiley> HostingGeek: haha
[06:01] <nalioth> kangpeh: you would gain more knowledge using synaptic
[06:01] <HostingGeek> !ubotu forget restricted
[06:01] <ubotu> HostingGeek: i forgot restricted
[06:01] <dougsk> kangpeh, if you open up synaptic it has a button for status and the installed local obsolete look there
[06:01] <kangpeh> nalioth: Yes sir.
[06:01] <HostingGeek> !ubotu forget restricted is a typo
[06:01] <ubotu> i forgot restricted is a typo, HostingGeek
[06:01] <HostingGeek> !ubotu restricted is a typo
[06:01] <ubotu> HostingGeek: okay
[06:01] <kangpeh> nalioth: should i just list them?
[06:02] <HostingGeek> !ubotu restricted
[06:02] <ubotu> HostingGeek: No idea
[06:02] <HostingGeek> !ubotu restricted is a typo
[06:02] <bwlang> dennis__: you could try a apt-get install --reinstall first...
[06:02] <nalioth> kangpeh: not here please
[06:02] <HostingGeek> !ubotu restricted is a typo
[06:02] <ubotu> okay, HostingGeek
[06:02] <HostingGeek> !ubotu restricted
[06:02] <ubotu> HostingGeek: I haven't a clue
[06:02] <kangpeh> acoread, cedega, fglrx-6-8-0, flashplayer-mozilla, gaim, gaim-data, gimp, gimp-data, gimp-python, gnome-btdownload, a bunch of libs, mozilla firefox stuff, nero, samba, SYNAPTIC, wine, xchat, etc...
[06:02] <HostingGeek> LEARN STUPID BOT
[06:02] <kangpeh> nalioth:  Those are all in local/obsoleted.
[06:03] <kangpeh> nalioth:  Does that mean my system is failing it hard?
[06:03] <dennis__> root@Spartan:/home/dennis # apt-get install gstreamer --reinstall
[06:03] <dennis__> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[06:03] <dennis__> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:03] <dennis__> What is gstreamer called as a process?
[06:03] <nalioth> kangpeh: not at all
[06:04] <dooglus> does anyone use 'vpnc' in ubuntu?
[06:04] <bwlang> dennis__: you need the package name not the process name... and that whole lock thing is not referring to gstreamer... it's saying that you have another program running that is looking at the package listing.. .eg: synaptic, aptitude etc.
[06:04] <dooglus> dennis__: are you running synaptic at the same time?
[06:04] <dennis__> lol yeah
[06:05] <bwlang> dooglus: don't even know what that is.... some kind of VPN tool?  i use openswan
[06:05] <dooglus> bwlang: it's for talking to Cisco VPN networks.
[06:05] <nalioth> kangpeh: do you have universe and multiverse repositorys enabled?
[06:05] <dennis__> Bah
[06:05] <dennis__> root@Spartan:/home/dennis # apt-get install gstreamer --reinstall
[06:05] <dennis__> Reading package lists... Done
[06:05] <dennis__> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:05] <dennis__> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer
[06:05] <kangpeh> nalioth: yes sir
[06:05] <dooglus> I don't know if openswan can do tha
[06:05] <dooglus> t
[06:05] <kangpeh> nalioth: but why is synaptic listed as old or obsoleted or local
[06:05] <kangpeh> nalioth: and the others like firefox and such
[06:05] <demonic> can anyone help
[06:05] <demonic> me
[06:05] <demonic> A sound probelm,
[06:05] <bwlang> dooglus: openswan can talk to PIX... but it's a PITA to set up
[06:05] <kangpeh> nalioth:  i thought firefox and xchat and such were supported on the ubuntu repositories
[06:06] <bwlang> dooglus: i think there is an interop howto in the openswan wiki
[06:06] <nalioth> kangpeh: you are fine
[06:06] <demonic> 0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1969 Solo-1 Audiodrive (rev 01)
[06:06] <jayson_I> where i can download the help file of ubuntu?
[06:06] <nalioth> kangpeh: backports are "future" versions of programs, recompiled to use on hoary 5.04
[06:06] <bwlang> dennis__: there are like 100 gstreamer packages.. try gstreamer* to reinstall them all
[06:06] <dooglus> bwlang: I had vpnc set up just so on mandriva - but on ubuntu I just can't get it to work
[06:06] <dennis__> okay
[06:06] <nalioth> dennis__: use synaptic, its easier
[06:07] <crimsun> demonic: what's the issue?
[06:07] <dennis__> lol
[06:07] <dennis__> :/
[06:07] <kangpeh> nalioth: i dont get why synaptic is in there though, in the local/obsolete then
[06:07] <kangpeh> nalioth: i thought synaptic was part of ubuntu
[06:07] <demonic> my sound doesnt work
[06:07] <demonic> dont know why
[06:07] <nalioth> kangpeh: your system will work fine regardless of what it is telling you
[06:08] <demonic> 0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1969 Solo-1 Audiodrive (rev 01)
[06:08] <crimsun> demonic: cat /proc/asound/modules
[06:08] <demonic> kk
[06:08] <nalioth> kangpeh: backports cause this sort of trouble, which is why they are not recommened
[06:08] <bwlang> jayson_I: there is no help file per se... you can ask here or use man or read the files in /usr/share/doc/
[06:08] <demonic> demonic@DeMoNiCBoX:~$ cat /proc/asound/modules
[06:08] <demonic> 0 snd_es1938
[06:09] <kangpeh> nalioth:  Yes, sir.
[06:09] <crimsun> demonic: ok, now paste the output from amixer onto http://pastebin.com
[06:09] <FR500>  hello
[06:09] <nalioth> kangpeh: i used them for awhile, then commented them out, and my system hasnt had any trouble since (upgradeing or whatever)
[06:09] <bwlang> dooglus: sorry - don't know anything about it... check out the difference in version and config file
[06:10] <demonic> crimsun how do I do that
[06:10] <crimsun> demonic: open a Terminal, type amixer, then paste all the output from that command onto the pastebin.com web site
[06:10] <nalioth> brb
[06:10] <disasm> JDahl: i tried that python challenge, but i'm not sure what it has to do with python. I did the first two challenges in c++, maybe it changes further down the line
[06:10] <bwlang> demonic: just go to that url... it'll explain the concept
[06:11] <demonic> kk
[06:11] <kangpeh> nalioth: yes sir
[06:11] <kangpeh> nlioth: how do i download breezy
[06:11] <kangpeh> nalioth: i need to be up to date.
[06:11] <kangpeh> nalioth:  people are looking at my cmputer and thinking its outdated cuz they have WindowsXP T_T
[06:11] <kangpeh> nalioth: i can't afford windows which is why i chose ubuntu
[06:11] <crimsun> kangpeh: you do _not_ want to run Breezy
[06:11] <kangpeh> crimsun: its ok
[06:12] <demonic> done
[06:12] <kangpeh> crimsun: i only use IRC and firefox and thunderbird
[06:12] <dennis__> bwlang, I reintalled gstreamer and it still can't construct a pipeline for any plugins :(
[06:12] <kangpeh> and gaim i mean too
[06:12] <disasm> kangpeh: shows what they know ;-)
[06:12] <bwlang> dennis__: does it give you any kind of helpful error message?
[06:12] <JDahl> disasm, maybe you're right - still a good way to learn about Python, dont you think? I dont rememeber them all, but you need regular expressions, and you get to use a lot of Python libraries
[06:12] <dennis__> um
[06:12] <dennis__> Not really
[06:12] <Amaranth> *yawn*
[06:12] <i3dmaster> I failed using smbclient -L //NetBIOS_Name -U username to list the share services on a winxp sp2 box, the error is "Connection to //HOST failed". What might be the issue?
[06:13] <dennis__> "Failed to construct test pipeline for "ESD- Enlightenment Sound Daeomon
[06:13] <disasm> JDahl: yeah, it is pretty cool, i just wanted to see if it was possible not knowing any python to do the challenges ;-)
[06:13] <FR500> i3dmaster, what exactly you trying to do?
[06:13] <i3dmaster> FR500: list share dirs and printers on that win box
[06:13] <i3dmaster> FR500: as the command shows..
[06:14] <FR500> can you see them with nautilus smb://ip_of_the_pc?
[06:14] <dennis__> "Failed to construct test pipeline for "ESD- Enlightenment Sound Daeomon ...did you see this blew bwlang
[06:14] <i3dmaster> FR500: let me see
[06:14] <crimsun> demonic: do you not hear any sound at all?
[06:15] <bwlang> dennis__: hmm.. are you running it from the command line? - anything pop up on the command line?
[06:15] <yahalom> how do i make /etc/resolv.conf a symbolic link to /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf?
[06:16] <bwlang> yahalom... man ln  ln -s /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf
[06:16] <JDahl> yahalom, but are you sure you want to do this?
[06:16] <yahalom> bwlang, thanx
[06:16] <i3dmaster> FR500: it keeps asking me the username and the password which I've provided to and I am sure that's the right username and password cause that's my win box
[06:17] <yahalom> JDahl, yes, why?
[06:17] <demonic> crimsum?
[06:17] <FR500> i3dmaster, windows is stupid
[06:17] <nalioth> kangpeh: breezy is a bad idea
[06:17] <crimsun> demonic: see above question.
[06:17] <demonic> yeah
[06:17] <dennis__> bwlang, Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[06:17] <dennis__> arts_init error: can't connect to aRts soundserver
[06:17] <demonic> sorry I didnt scroll
[06:17] <nalioth> kangpeh: it can break in a major way easily
[06:17] <i3dmaster> FR500: absolutely right
[06:17] <bwlang> dennis__: arts... forget arts - you're not running arts
[06:17] <FR500> i3dmaster, in your windows connection properties on the windoze box, in the authentication area select the 2 later options (check them)
[06:17] <crimsun> demonic: "yes" you do hear other things, or "yes" you cannot hear things?
[06:18] <demonic> cant hear anything
[06:18] <yahalom> bwlang, is ln -s /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf the same thing?
[06:18] <dennis__> So what should I do bwlang
[06:18] <JDahl> yahalom, I just havent seen anyone changing resolv.conf with symlinks (and I thought since you dont know how to symlink, then...)
[06:18] <kangpeh> nalioth
[06:18] <kangpeh> what can break in breezy
[06:18] <kangpeh> o-o-o-o
[06:18] <bwlang> dennis__: are you running the configurator as root? that might explain the auth problem
[06:18] <nalioth> kangpeh: you could have the ugliest appearing linux and you'd still be better off then windoze users
[06:18] <crimsun> kangpeh: everything is in flux. It's a development branch.
[06:18] <dennis__> eah
[06:18] <dennis__> I am
[06:18] <FR500> i3dmaster, ill be back, gotta test wifi
[06:18] <nalioth> kangpeh: everything can break. breezy is a work-in-progress
[06:19] <dennis__> Is that good or bad? root@Spartan:/home/dennis # gstreamer-properties
[06:19] <bwlang> yahalom: no ... your example would make a link  int /etc/resolvconf/run/.. to /etc/resolv.conf
[06:19] <i3dmaster> FR500: thanks anyway
[06:19] <yahalom> JDahl, oh. No i need to it. in order to have my resolv.conf change back to its origina state everytime my isp changes its contens.
[06:19] <bwlang> yahalom: did you man ln ?
[06:19] <demonic> crsium
[06:19] <yahalom> bwlang, thanx. not yet. will do now :)
[06:19] <demonic> I hear something now its just distortion
[06:20] <jasmuz> greets all
[06:20] <FR500> i3dmaster, i'm back
[06:20] <FR500> did it work?
[06:20] <bwlang> dennis__: you can't run X programs as root  - they're not allowed to talk to the xserver being run by "denis" by default... you can authorize all local connections... but better to just run the configurator as denis
[06:21] <dennis__> oh
[06:21] <dennis__> k
[06:22] <crimsun> demonic: are you on a laptop?
[06:22] <FR500> i3dmaster, ?
[06:22] <demonic> no
[06:23] <dennis__> Alright bwlang , it is working now....the test construct anyways
[06:23] <demonic> how do I change the volume for amixer
[06:23] <dennis__> Now how do I get rhythmbox to work?
[06:23] <FR500> what is the ubuntu device database for?
[06:23] <FR500> dennis__, open it and open some files
[06:23] <demonic> I try alsaconf but that dont work
[06:23] <bwlang> dennis__: well - that was easy... - just run rhythmbox... it should use the output stream you just specified
[06:24] <bwlang> FR500: not sure... maybe hotplug?
[06:24] <crimsun> demonic: that's because there is no alsaconf in Ubuntu.
[06:24] <FR500> oh
[06:24] <dennis__> bwlang...it wont play it :(
[06:24] <crimsun> demonic: use the up and down arrows in alsamixer (different program from amixer)
[06:25] <FR500> has anyone installed kismet on ubuntu?
[06:25] <dennis__> FOr some reason it won't play mp3s but it will play radio streams :/
[06:25] <i3dmaster> FR500: hey here, I was going to the #samba channel and see if anyone knows about this problem, but unfortunately, that cha was so quiet...
[06:25] <FR500> and, is beagle fixed now?
[06:25] <bwlang> dennis__: do you have the volumen turned up in rhythmbox?  check to be sure that you have the gstreamer0.8-misc package installed
[06:25] <FR500> i3dmaster, did it work (enbling the 2 checkbosxes)
[06:25] <crimsun> demonic: is PnP OS enabled in bios?
[06:25] <crimsun> demonic: if so, disable it
[06:26] <demonic> by the way im running an old acer box
[06:26] <FR500> acer aspire?
[06:26] <dts> howcome my "apostrophe"+letter is all messed up as if it were french or something
[06:26] <demonic> acerpower 6100
[06:26] <i3dmaster> FR500: ok, I think I need a little bit more clear instructions, I went to the network connection properties windows, and there are two checkboxes but am i correct?
[06:27] <FR500> i remember the quick restore (windows) didnt work well, had some incompatibilities
[06:27] <demonic> whatts pnp0s
[06:27] <bwlang> dennis__: try to play some wav file from rhythmbox - that will validate rhythmbox's connection to gstremaer
[06:27] <dennis__> I don't have an wavs :/
[06:27] <dts> dennis__, you've got my alternate screen name :-D
[06:27] <bwlang> dennis__: they're built in....
[06:28] <dennis__> lol
[06:28] <crimsun> demonic: it's plug n' play OS. It's a bios option.
[06:28] <i3dmaster> FR500: by the way, I've turned off the security stuff from sp2
[06:28] <bwlang> dennis__: look in /usr/share/sounds
[06:28] <dennis__> Built in?
[06:28] <dennis__> Okay
[06:28] <demonic> I mm any thanks for tring to help
[06:28] <FR500> i3dmaster, i pm'd u
[06:28] <demonic> *trying\
[06:28] <i3dmaster> FR500: k
[06:28] <bwlang> dennis__: locate .wav should spit out a bunch of wav files
[06:29] <dennis__> It is not playing...
[06:30] <dennis__> :/
[06:31] <dts> how do i stop linux from turning 'e into an e with a thing over it?
[06:31] <JDahl> dts type "' e"
[06:32] <dennis__> bwlang, it doesn
[06:32] <dennis__> play anything
[06:32] <dennis__> just silence
[06:32] <JDahl> dts, you probably have your keyboard setup to "deadkeys"
[06:32] <dts> JDahl, can i turn that off somehow, because it annoying
[06:32] <JoshYme1> I am trying to install prism54 and it is giving me errors during the make modules process..
[06:32] <dts> JDahl, where do i set that?
[06:33] <dts> JoshYme1, why are you compuling it manualy?
[06:33] <JoshYme1> dts, I thought that is what I had to do ?
[06:34] <bwlang> dennis__: hmm i'm stumped... no error messages... just silence? does it look like it's playing?
[06:34] <dts> JoshYme1, it should be installed by default
[06:34] <dts> JoshYme1, do lsmod if you have the card pluged in
[06:34] <JoshYme1> dts, ahhh.. hmm.. how should I go and try to configure my wifi card then?
[06:34] <JoshYme1> ah ok
[06:34] <dennis__> bwlang, nope...it just opens it and then nothing happens
[06:34] <dts> JoshYme1, do you see something prism'ish
[06:34] <dennis__> Music Player opens and then it just sits there...
[06:34] <shadeofgrey> okay guys i need a primer from you on fonts in ubuntu
[06:34] <dennis__> "Not playing"
[06:35] <shadeofgrey> i do a lot of web work, and a lot of my graphics are just words with stylized fonts and dividers
[06:35] <JoshYme1> dts, nope nothing prism'ish...
[06:35] <dts> JDahl, so I have the keyboard set to pc105 what should i change it too?
[06:35] <bwlang> dennis__: sounds like it does not know how to read the file...
[06:36] <nalioth> shadeofgrey: if your work is viewed by the taint that is M$, try mscorefonts
[06:36] <JDahl> dts, I am not sure how you change it... try googling for "Ubuntu deadkey"
[06:36] <dennis__> bwlang, so what should I do now?
[06:36] <dts> JoshYme1, do you have iwconfig installed?
[06:36] <JoshYme1> dts, I am able to run it and it says no wireless extensions.
[06:36] <shadeofgrey> but can ttf fonts be used?
[06:37] <nalioth> yes, any ttf fonts you like
[06:37] <FR500> JoshYme1, are you sure you need drivers? prism should work out of the box with the orinocco drivers
[06:37] <bwlang> dennis__: not sure... do you have all the gstreamer0.8-* stuff installed?
[06:37] <dennis__> yup
[06:37] <dts> JoshYme1, does it list a wireless card
[06:38] <JoshYme1> dts, no it does not.
[06:38] <dennis__> Like I said, I don't think it is a sound problem...just a file problem
[06:38] <bwlang> dennis__: given that the config tool is able to play sounds it looks like gstreamer is okay.
[06:38] <dennis__> because I'm listening to the radio with it right now..
[06:38] <bwlang> dennis__: you're listening to streaming mp3?
[06:39] <bwlang> FlimFlamMan: uconn? i went to uconn
[06:39] <dennis__> In Music Player
[06:39] <JoshYme1> dts, ay idea's/
[06:39] <dennis__> I clicked on Radio
[06:39] <dennis__> And I'm listening to Virgin Radio Classic Rock
[06:39] <FlimFlamMan> hi bwlang
[06:39] <bwlang> dennis__: well that's streaming mp3... so maybe there's some permission problem on your mp3 library or something.
[06:40] <dennis__> Hmmm
[06:40] <bwlang> FlimFlamMan: what's that dfs bit?
[06:40] <FlimFlamMan> bwlang, i'm an employee with student affairs
[06:40] <bwlang> FlimFlamMan: you're working late ;)
[06:40] <FlimFlamMan> bwlang, server upgrade  :-)
[06:41] <FlimFlamMan> and also...  :
[06:41] <navyn> i'm trying to install kde in ubuntu, but it keeps telling me that security.ubuntu.com 404 not found
[06:41] <FlimFlamMan> i have a system with winxp installed, on a disk with a single partition taking all the drivespace.  is it possible to create a new partition for dual-boot from the ubuntu install disk?
[06:41] <FR500> has anyone got enlightment to look like the screenshots?
[06:41] <dts> JoshYme1, you might me right, sorry man
[06:42] <dts> JoshYme1, it just worked out of the box with a prism2 card
[06:42] <nalioth> FlimFlamMan: recommend partition magic
[06:42] <bwlang> FlimFlamMan: gparted might be able to resize... but i think probably not... you may need partition magic
[06:42] <nalioth> FlimFlamMan: otw, data loss will occur
[06:42] <FlimFlamMan> dang.
[06:42] <navyn> i only need like 18.2 meg left to finish installing kde, but it won't install because of the security.ubuntu.com is down
[06:42] <crimsun> navyn: it's up
[06:43] <FlimFlamMan> no F/OSS equiv to partition magic?
[06:43] <crimsun> navyn: I just now pulled updates for an amd64 machine
[06:43] <navyn> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs-bin_3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] 
[06:43] <dennis__> Bah
[06:43] <nalioth> FlimFlamMan: parted and its gui brethren work well, but not on ntfs
[06:44] <navyn> i get that same thing for like 4 or 5 files
[06:45] <FlimFlamMan> nalioth, oh, right...
[06:45] <dennis__> Anyone have an mp3 online...i need to test something...
[06:45] <goldfish_> dennis__: one second
[06:45] <dennis__> Okay.
[06:45] <nalioth> dennis__: www.shoutcast.com?
[06:47] <navyn> Err http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main kdelibs-bin 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1
[06:47] <navyn>   404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.138 80] 
[06:47] <navyn> Err http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main kdelibs-data 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1
[06:47] <navyn>   404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.138 80] 
[06:47] <navyn> Err http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main kdelibs4 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1
[06:47] <navyn>   404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.138 80] 
[06:47] <navyn> Err http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main kdelibs 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1
[06:47] <navyn>   404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.138 80] 
[06:47] <navyn> Err http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main kdelibs4-dev 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1
[06:47] <navyn>   404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.138 80] 
[06:47] <navyn> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs-bin_3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.138 80] 
[06:47] <navyn> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs-data_3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb  404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.138 80] 
[06:47] <bwlang> dennis__: http://www.viennateng.com/listen/audio/warm_strangers/mp3/viennateng-harbor.mp3.zip
[06:47] <navyn> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs4_3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.138 80] 
[06:47] <navyn> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs_3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb  404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.138 80] 
[06:47] <goldfish_> ?
[06:48] <navyn> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs4-dev_3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.138 80] 
[06:48] <navyn> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[06:48] <navyn> sorry
[06:48] <crimsun> dude, don't flood in here
[06:48] <robink> use a pastebin next time
[06:48] <bwlang> dennis: don't forget to unzip it
[06:48] <navyn> i said sorry.  it was accident
[06:48] <nalioth> navyn: or a private msg window
[06:49] <navyn> is there another source or mirror i can use to finish my kde install?
[06:50] <nalioth> navyn: is there a us.security.ubuntu.com?
[06:51] <navyn> i don't think so
[06:51] <dennis__> bwlang, the mp3 doesnt play
[06:52] <bwlang> dennis__: wierd - it can decode mp3 (since it does that over the wire with streaming radio) but it can't read your file...
[06:52] <tandy> anyone know where i change that setting to allow ubuntu firefox version to access the extentions website
[06:52] <dennis__> Hmmm
[06:52] <tandy> Setting general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4 in about:config
[06:52] <tandy> where do i set that
[06:52] <dennis__> :x
[06:53] <dennis__> I wish I could get this to work
[06:53] <_0ri0n_> fucking lamers !
[06:53] <monchy> love you too
[06:53] <crimsun> language, please.
[06:54] <podge> dennis__, What are you have trouble with?
[06:54] <dennis__> Getting an mp3 to play
[06:54] <nalioth> tandy: you answered your own question
[06:54] <podge> dennis__, What player?
[06:54] <dennis__> rhythmbox
[06:55] <tandy> nalioth: no where is about:config ...im not familair with firefox settings
[06:55] <podge> dennis__, What is the problem? Volume? Getting error message?
[06:55] <dennis__> It just won't play mp3 files
[06:55] <tandy> nalioth dont really knwo wut that means :/
[06:55] <dennis__> I can play streams just not the files
[06:55] <nalioth> tandy: put "about:config" in your address bar
[06:55] <nalioth> tandy: in place of www.microsoft.com
[06:55] <podge> dennis__, I have a default install here.. I will give it a go..
[06:55] <bwlang> podge: glad you're jumping in here... i'm at my wit's end  on his problem.
[06:55] <tandy> nalioth, oh lol
[06:55] <dennis__> Okay
[06:56] <nalioth> tandy: then you can try the old standby about:mozilla
[06:56] <podge> bwlang, Not sure if I know anything yet.. :)
[06:56] <tandy> nalioth: ok got it..thanks..i thought that was a config file somewhere hehe
[06:57] <JoshYme1> dts, When I go into the device manager it has my netgear wifi card listed.
[06:58] <nalioth> tandy: there is a config file somewhere, but its easier in the about:config manner
[06:58] <FR500> lately my ubuntu suddenly starts reading from hd, and gets very very very slow
[06:59] <FR500> i can't do anything till i restart x
[06:59] <FR500> any ideas on what is wrong?
[06:59] <tandy> nalioth: yeah i didnt think it was that easy thast awesome
[06:59] <podge> dennis__: FYI.. I am using Muine as my player now..
[07:00] <Lafitte-> has anyone setup 15" widescreen resolution ?   mine is not present in the list of options
[07:00] <Lafitte-> JoshYme1,  hey   hows Ubuntu going ?
[07:00] <Lafitte-> just saw ya in here :)
[07:00] <nalioth> tandy: there are (via google) all kind of ways to "pimp" your firefox via about:config (and as many ways to bugger it)
[07:00] <JoshYme1> Lafitte-, good.. I'm trying to get my wifi card going.  when i go into the device manager it is there
[07:01] <Lafitte-> JoshYme1,  ok      i can elp ya
[07:01] <tandy> nalioth: hehe, i just wanted to download an extension and because of this numbering system with ubuntu i couldnt ge on the site
[07:01] <nalioth> tandy: yes the ubuntu-devs are out of mountain dew or something
[07:02] <podge> dennis__, So have you been able to import the files into Rhythmbox?
[07:02] <sinope> can i change my window manager and still use gnome?
[07:02] <sinope> i know how for kde... but that's it
[07:03] <tandy> nalioth, hey as long as the security updates are there its fine with me :)
[07:04] <ronybeck> When ever I run a admin type program ( e.g. network-admin ) and I enter the root password, it rejects the password despite the password being correct.  what could be wrong?
[07:04] <Chislon> if i set up a  partitian and install ubuntu and dual boot... how hard is it to undo all of that?
[07:04] <tandy> Chislon delete the partiton and restore the mbr
[07:04] <Chislon> tandy, whats mbr
[07:04] <ronybeck> ChinaCatJones, no harder then setting it up to begin with ;)
[07:04] <nalioth> tandy: yup
[07:05] <ronybeck> Chislon, Master Boot Record
[07:05] <tandy> Chislon, master boot record
[07:05] <Chislon> ok.. lol and whats that
[07:05] <hondje> Automagical mounting stopped working for an unknown reason about a week ago.  I was just putzing around to find why it's not being cool anymore, and I passed a restart dbus-1 script.  Now when I mount /dev/hdc, no icon shows up on the desktop, and nautilus complains about /dev/hdc already being mounted when I try to visit it
[07:05] <tandy> chislon or really u could leave it but u will ahve the option to go into ubunut which wont exist
[07:05] <ronybeck> Chislon, it is a bit at the start of the hard drive that points to the boot loader.  The boot load is what boots the operating system
[07:05] <hondje> anyone see something like that?
[07:05] <tandy> Chislon why dont u try out the live cd
[07:06] <Chislon> tandy, i tried it a bit last night
[07:06] <hondje> I'm concerned I caused borkage while making some pkgs in a stupid way
[07:06] <sinope> hi sorry about that
[07:06] <Chislon> but im not ready to give up windows, not sure how everygthing will really go, so im not sure how big to make the partition
[07:06] <tandy> Chislon you dual booting with windows?
[07:06] <Chislon> ya
[07:06] <sinope> so yeah, i want to use ion within gnome
[07:06] <sinope> anybody know how?
[07:06] <dennis__> podge, nope
[07:06] <yahalom> anyone here use fetchyahoo?
[07:06] <Chislon> if at some point i decide that linux or windows isnt for me and just want one, or want to change the size of the partition, is this doable?
[07:06] <Chislon> like withotu being insanely difficult
[07:07] <ronybeck> Chislon, it would be a good idea to learn how to rewrite the boot record with windows before you install linux.  That way you know you can return the system back to windows should you dislike linux
[07:07] <tandy> Chislon depends wuts diffcult to u..but yes its doable
[07:07] <yahalom> or who is at least familiar with sool and mbox?
[07:07] <Chislon> ronybeck, any tips on how to learn to do that
[07:07] <tandy> and wut ronybeck suggested is good idea
[07:07] <JDahl> Chislon, yes, you just reformat the partition you want to reuse
[07:07] <ronybeck> Chislon, i could do it in windows 98 but I don't use windows enough to know that kind of thing
[07:07] <leo_mx> how can i know the "commands" for the openoffice apps?
[07:08] <ronybeck> leo_mx, they start with oo
[07:08] <vladuz> anybody know about ubuntu on ibook?
[07:08] <leo_mx> thanks rony
[07:08] <ronybeck> leo_mx, for example.  oowriter for the word processer
[07:08] <Chislon> JDahl, ok so if i have a partition A size X, and Partision B size Y, but i want Y to be size Z, so i just reformat Y to Z?
[07:08] <tandy> Chislon: i beleive there are tools on win xp cd to restore windows
[07:08] <hondje> leo_mx: type oo and hit tab twice in a terminal
[07:08] <Chislon> er rather reformat B to size z
[07:08] <tandy> Chislon: but idont holdm e to windows stuff :)
[07:08] <leo_mx> ohh ltes see
[07:08] <Chislon> tandy, heh heh ok thank you
[07:09] <vladuz> hello, anybody wanna help me out?
[07:09] <tandy> vladuz surei f i can help
[07:09] <tandy> lol
[07:09] <yahalom> vladuz, whats ur issue?
[07:09] <Chislon> like i will still want windows for gaming, but this laptop isnt crazy good at games anyway, but not sure how much space i need and if i will fully convert to linux... tho i imagine i will, i cant be certain
[07:09] <ronybeck> Chislon, but before you erase linux from your hard drive, get windows booting on its own with its own boot loader.
[07:09] <vladuz> just wanna know if anyone has any experience with ubuntu on ppc
[07:10] <JDahl> Chislon, sorry - I was misunderstood you... I suggest you just reformat the partition you want removed and use it without repartitioning/resizing
[07:10] <ChkNpIMP> heh :0
[07:10] <Chislon> is it possible after partitioning to return to only one partition if i decide i want only windows or ubuntu on it?
[07:10] <yahalom> vladuz, try #mac
[07:10] <ChkNpIMP> ronybeck: I was coming here to ask if there is a URL that outlines how to install ubuntu (if it's possible) on SATA raid partition with windows as the bootstrap
[07:10] <vladuz> cool, thanks
[07:10] <Chislon> er i may not have used the right word
[07:10] <yahalom> vladuz,might be ppl there who used/use ubuntu on pcc
[07:11] <Chislon> like i have my harddrive now which is just one drive, if i add a partition it becomes two, right, so after i do that can i make it one again? with no partition?
[07:11] <JDahl> chislon, let's say you want to remove ubuntu - then you reformat it and make a D: drive in windows; isnt that good enough?
[07:11] <diego> Chislon: there's always going to be at least 1 partition if you want it to be usable
[07:13] <dennis__> podge, you there?
[07:14] <ronybeck> ChkNpIMP, prolly not.  I am to new to ubuntu to know where all the doco is
[07:14] <ChkNpIMP> yeah i searched :/
[07:14] <ChkNpIMP> i think i may have to break the raid 0 arrays and go with standalone drives
[07:14] <ChkNpIMP> Hard Disks: [Total/Free: 627.9/465.7GB  Total/Free space on: C: 68.94/28.32GB  D: 400/281.91GB  F: 158.95/155.47GB] 
[07:15] <LinuxNIT--> anyone know of a program for flashing the bios wihle in linux?
[07:15] <leo_mx> mmm if i want to create an icon shortcut for the "console"..which command should i tell the icon to use to bring it up?
[07:15] <ChkNpIMP> i got plenty of disk space to play around with, its just both drives are setup raid 0
[07:15] <Chislon> went afk
[07:15] <ronybeck> Chislon, afk == away fucking kanagroos ;)
[07:16] <ChkNpIMP> LinuxNIT-- - it would be dependent upon your MOBO mfg to supply that ive never seen a linux bios flasher
[07:16] <Chislon> its not a big deal, but i want to know if i can make it all fall under C: again or its linux equivalent
[07:16] <Chislon> ronybeck, if you could not use the lang around me id appreciate it
[07:16] <ronybeck> ?
[07:17] <LinuxNIT--> ok
[07:17] <Chislon> language
[07:18] <ronybeck> Chislon, fair enough.  Don't go outside though.  ;)
[07:19] <Chislon> ronybeck, heh heh, indeed
[07:20] <Chislon> ronybeck, thank you
[07:20] <ronybeck> When ever I run a admin type program ( e.g. network-admin ) and I enter the root password, it rejects the password despite the password being correct.  what could be wrong?
[07:20] <ronybeck> or is this by design
[07:20] <GuiRC> Hello!
[07:21] <GuiRC> people, I need to install my winmodem (hsp56, pctel), but I can't do it! can you help me?
[07:21] <Chislon> so is it possible to make everything back to under C: or just the root rather than having two drives after i dual boot?
[07:21] <net18> juli
[07:22] <CruNcher> does someone here thinks too that Guadec this year was more like a Microsoft Styled Presentation ?
[07:23] <dennis__> bwlang, you there?
[07:23] <ronybeck> GuiRC, that is a tricky modem
[07:23] <dennis__> podge, you there?
[07:24] <ronybeck> GuiRC, I believe I have a URL that can help.  give me a minue
[07:24] <ronybeck> minute even
[07:24] <GuiRC> ronybeck: ok!
[07:24] <GuiRC> ronybeck: I tried many things and instructions, but nothing works!
[07:25] <dennis__> Damn!!!
[07:25] <dennis__> They all left :(
[07:25] <ronybeck> GuiRC, it is a laptop you are using right?
[07:25] <elmaya> is there a way to remove the "debian" entry menu in the main menu?
[07:26] <GuiRC> ronybeck: no, desktop
[07:27] <synd> ugh, i got vnc viewer working on my linux boxes but vnc wont render the desktops on OS X
[07:27] <ronybeck> Guerin, and you got a PCTEL modem?  Yuk
[07:27] <ronybeck> GuiRC, ve you been here: http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/welcome.html
[07:28] <GuiRC> ronybeck: yeah, when I was 13 years old! :D
[07:28] <ronybeck> GuiRC, ah then you are excused ;)
[07:28] <podge> dennis__, Sorry.. missus took over the computer..
[07:28] <ronybeck> GuiRC, does your modem show up in gnome volume controls?  i.e. does ASLA know about it?
[07:29] <GuiRC> ronybeck: i'm annoyed because i have to use windows to connect and to search a solution and restart with ubuntu to try to solve the problem
[07:29] <dennis__> lol
[07:29] <dennis__> podge, any luck?
[07:29] <ronybeck> GuiRC, get an external modem
[07:29] <ronybeck> GuiRC, no driver problems.  Besides HSP modems suck
[07:29] <podge> dennis__, So, you have the MP3 files in a directory.. then go to the Music menu and select "Import Folder".. Choose the folder with the MP3s in it..  does it give you an error?
[07:29] <dennis__> Nope
[07:30] <GuiRC> ronybeck: yeah
[07:30] <ronybeck> GuiRC, Iyou have been to that URL before?
[07:30] <GuiRC> ronybeck: maybe when ADSL comes from my street :/
[07:30] <podge> dennis__, Interesting.
[07:30] <GuiRC> ronybeck: comes TO
[07:30] <dennis__> Yeah :/
[07:30] <GuiRC> sorry
[07:31] <podge> dennis__, Can you see the MP3 files in the music browser?
[07:31] <dennis__> Nope....
[07:32] <podge> dennis__, ummm.. So the import didn't work then..
[07:32] <ronybeck> GuiRC, so did the drivers no install?
[07:32] <dennis__> Guess not...
[07:33] <podge> dennis__, So.. are you sure you did the Import folder correctly?
[07:33] <dennis__> yes
[07:33] <jayson_I> can asp run in the ubuntu?
[07:34] <ronybeck> brb
[07:34] <dennis__> podge i got an error....There i no plugin installed to handle a mp3 file
[07:34] <podge> dennis__, That helps HEAPS!!!
[07:35] <podge> dennis__, I get the same error.. I will fix the issue here.. and then tell you...
[07:35] <dennis__> k
[07:36] <podge> dennis__, Have you read the instructions in the RestrictedFormats wiki?
[07:36] <dennis__> No....
[07:36] <podge> dennis__, That would help.. :)
[07:37] <dennis__> lol
[07:37] <podge> dennis__, Go here.. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:37] <dennis__> I'm so tired...ill just let you fix it :D
[07:37] <podge> dennis__, And follow the instructions for adding MP3 support to rhythmbox..
[07:37] <dennis__> Okay
[07:39] <dennis__> podge, I already installed that plugin :/
[07:39] <podge> dennis__, Pretty much apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:39] <dennis__> Did that already
[07:39] <dennis__> root@Spartan:/home/dennis # apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:39] <dennis__> Reading package lists... Done
[07:39] <dennis__> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:39] <dennis__> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:39] <podge> dennis__, Did you add the universe repository?
[07:40] <dennis__> No
[07:40] <podge> dennis__, You need to add universe...
[07:42] <dennis__> I'm confused
[07:42] <dennis__> I'm in synaptic
[07:42] <dennis__> I an editing the source thingy
[07:42] <dennis__> But what do I put under sections
[07:42] <transgress> anyone know how to change the fontsize on the menu's in gnome?
[07:43] <jpm_> anyone know the dark magic needed to make ubuntu work with a audigy ls sound card?
[07:44] <dennis__> jpm_, was that suppose to be a joke?
[07:44] <dennis__> because it wasn't funny
[07:44] <jpm_> dennis__, i wish
[07:44] <Lafitte-> anyone good at setting monitor specs   for widescreen lcd
[07:46] <dr_willis> Lafitte-,  i recall a web site that you entered your specs and it'd generat the xmode line.
[07:47] <dr_willis> Lafitte-, http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
[07:48] <jayson_I> can asp run in ubuntu?
[07:48] <Khakionion> So...is the Ubuntu "Circle of People" logo thingie copyrighted?
[07:49] <Khakionion> Because if it is... http://spaces.msn.com/
[07:50] <dr_willis> Khakionion,  you mean their little 3 people logo?
[07:50] <transgress> so no one knows how i can make the font smaller for my menu's in gnome?
[07:51] <dr_willis> transgress,  i think its in the theme detaiials..
[07:51] <dr_willis> I normally make my fonts larger
[07:51] <Khakionion> Yeah...just wondering/thinking aloud, the MSN Spaces "3 People" logo appears to be vastly similar to the Ubuntu one
[07:51] <transgress> not anywhere that i see
[07:51] <dr_willis> Khakionion,  i doubt if a lawsuit is needed.
[07:52] <podge> dennis__, Bad time for me.. friends just dropped over.. haha..
[07:52] <podge> dennis__, Follow these instructions.. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto/ to add universe..
[07:53] <Khakionion> Yeah, I figured as much.  Though I'd bring it up, though...interesting similarity
[07:54] <Lafitte-> anyone know bout 855resolution package  ??
[07:54] <robitaille> transgress,  go into "system", then "preferences", then in the font section,  and change the size for "application font"
[07:54] <Lafitte-> im wndering about how to use it
[07:55] <Khakionion> I know 855resolution didn't work on my Intel i810, but an arbitrary ModeLine I swiped from some mailing list did.
[07:55] <Lafitte-> Khakionion,  i need to get my widescreen set   can you help me ?
[07:56] <Lafitte-> Khakionion,  i have same setup  sounds like
[07:56] <Khakionion> Perhaps.  I can try, at least :)  Chipset/Monitor?
[07:56] <Lafitte-> centrino
[07:56] <Lafitte-> monitor is 15" lcd widescreen
[07:57] <Lafitte-> the web says 855resolution package might work for this one
[07:57] <Khakionion> What graphics chipset?
[07:57] <Lafitte-> but i cant find the .deb
[07:57] <transgress> robitaille: does it require i restart gnome?  because nothing happened
[07:57] <Lafitte-> i810  its using   but i have 915
[07:57] <Khakionion> And brand/model of screen?
[07:57] <Lafitte-> asus laptop screen
[07:57] <Lafitte-> not sure  of specs
[07:58] <HostingGeek> !ubotu forget all
[07:58] <ubotu> i forgot all, HostingGeek
[07:58] <HostingGeek> !ubotu all
[07:58] <ubotu> HostingGeek: I give up, what is it?
[07:58] <robitaille> transgress,   on my computer (Hoary), it changed the font size immediatelly.
[07:58] <transgress> robitaille: hmm fucked up... not for me...
[07:58] <HostingGeek> !ubotu all is All is well
[07:58] <ubotu> HostingGeek: what are you talking about?
[07:58] <HostingGeek> arghhhh
[07:58] <HostingGeek> NEWBIE BOT!
[07:58] <Khakionion> Oh, well, if you're just looking for the .deb, you can get it from Debian's package website
[07:58] <Khakionion> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/855resolution
[07:58] <zenrox> lol
[07:59] <HostingGeek> !ubotu drop *
[07:59] <ubotu> HostingGeek: I haven't a clue
[07:59] <HostingGeek> !ubotu drop table *
[07:59] <ubotu> HostingGeek: Are you smoking crack?
[07:59] <HostingGeek> yes!~
[07:59] <HostingGeek> muwhahaha
[07:59] <zenrox> !ubotu del *
[07:59] <ubotu> No idea, zenrox
[07:59] <zenrox> !ubotu del all
[07:59] <ubotu> zenrox: No idea
[07:59] <zenrox> !ubotu
[07:59] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, zenrox
[08:00] <zenrox> !ubotu help
[08:00] <NicP> !ubotu is stupid
[08:00] <ubotu> NicP: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[08:00] <NicP> course u dont, youre stupid ;)
[08:00] <zenrox> HostingGeek,  its not a very smartbot tho
[08:01] <thechitowncubs> recently milkdrop was made open source (http://www.nullsoft.com/free/milkdrop/), what would it take for it to be integrated in totem?
[08:01] <Lafitte-> Khakionion,  wht the command to install that ??
[08:01] <thechitowncubs> or does it require directx?
[08:01] <zenrox> thechitowncubs,  alote
[08:01] <zenrox> and get to work proting it
[08:01] <zenrox> porting
[08:03] <Khakionion> uhm, I can't remember...
[08:03] <podge> dennis__, So how did you go?
[08:03] <Lafitte-> how  do i install .deb file out of apt ?
[08:03] <Khakionion> dpkg -i <name of file> perhaps?
[08:03] <Khakionion> try "man dpkg"
[08:04] <Lafitte-> i did  not going
[08:04] <Lafitte-> i had typo  hhe
[08:05] <floo> Whenever I double click on  a movie or sound file such as, avi, mpeg, etc... the system launches the 'totem' media player. Can anyone tell me how to change this so that I can launch a different player whenever I double click these file formats?
[08:06] <jasmuz> Lafitte-: sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[08:06] <sevets> Can someone tell me how I determine if a drive is empty and how to format it?
[08:07] <sevets> floo: go into the properties of each file and select the open with tab
[08:07] <jasmuz> sevets: is your drive already mounted?
[08:07] <weedar> sevets: df shows the disk usage of all mounted partitions, qtparted lets you partition and format your drives
[08:07] <sevets> floo: then find the program you want as default and then select it
[08:08] <sevets> jasmuz: no, how do I mount it?
[08:08] <sevets> weedar: thankyou
[08:08] <floo> sevets, thank you very much.  I can't believe it's that simple... cheers!
[08:08] <sevets> floo: np :D
[08:09] <jasmuz> sevets: sudo mount /dev/hd /mount point    (do refer the hd block hda, hdb or hdc, and the place to mount it
[08:09] <jayson_I> helooo
[08:09] <jayson_I> what's up dude!!!
[08:09] <Lafitte-> Khakionion,  tht progrm doesnt even list my resolution at all
[08:11] <sevets> jasmuz: if it is NTFS formated it will mount as read only?
[08:12] <jasmuz> sevets: yes..
[08:13] <sevets> for some reason I am unable to access the hd..
[08:13] <sevets> I mounted it in /
[08:13] <jasmuz> sevets: its not good to mount it in /
[08:14] <sevets> where is a better place?
[08:14] <jasmuz> you should make a /media/foofolder to mount it too
[08:14] <sevets> ok
[08:14] <Epix> aah, anyone use moonedit? when i download it, all i get is the server!
[08:15] <synd> is it possible for the FBI to be monitoring your outgoing information?
[08:15] <synd> ie. gaim chats
[08:16] <podge> dennis__: Any luck?
[08:16] <sevets> jasmuz: how do I remove a mount point?
[08:16] <jasmuz> synd: its possible anyone could be picking up up you chats...
[08:16] <Viking`> sure, most chat protocols are not encrypted
[08:17] <jasmuz> sevets: rephrase that question please
[08:18] <sevets> jasmuz: I mounted hdb the first time and then I mounted it in a /media folder like you said and now there are two mount points for /dev/hdb
[08:18] <sevets> perhaps it is 2 different partitions?
[08:18] <synd> my network is secure. but what about after the data has passed thru the firewall?
[08:19] <jasmuz> sevets: do this to only mount what you have in /etc/fstab, # sudo mount -a
[08:19] <jasmuz> sevets: and then mount the other disk to the mount point
[08:19] <Viking`> sevets, maybe you need to remove an extra entry from /etc/fstab?
[08:20] <sevets> Perhaps let me check
[08:20] <carthik> synd, there is a gaim secure chat mode/plugin
[08:20] <synd> i know
[08:20] <carthik> synd, all info should be assumed listened-in on, unless otherwise specified :)
[08:20] <synd> but my dumbfuck friend doesnt know how to add the gaim plugin
[08:21] <carthik> synd, easy, bro:)
[08:21] <Viking`> synd, without encryption the Internet is like sending postcards by snail mail
[08:21] <sevets> hmm
[08:21] <synd> i realize that
[08:21] <synd> ugh
[08:21] <synd> methinks the govt is watching me
[08:22] <carthik> dont we all?
[08:22] <sevets> the /etc/fstab has /dev/hda1 /dev/hda5 and /dev/hdb
[08:22] <synd> but synd has a good reason to : )
[08:22] <sevets>   /dev/hdb is not mounted where I mounted it though?
[08:22] <sevets> perhaps /hdb is the cdrom?
[08:22] <sevets> which it is
[08:23] <sevets> lol
[08:23] <jasmuz> sevets: you should know which is a HD and wich is a CDROM
[08:23] <sevets> jasmuz: I thought that hd designation refered to hard drives not any drive
[08:24] <sevets> I am a newbie..
[08:24] <jasmuz> sevets: HDx refers to block units....meaning Disk drives, Cdroms, etc
[08:24] <sevets> I see
[08:25] <jasmuz> sevets: havent you solved your problem?
[08:25] <sevets> is there anyway for me to mount the other drive back to where it was?
[08:26] <Arrogant> Hey, how do I make Ubuntu run something at startup?
[08:26] <carthik> Arrogant, update-rc.d
[08:27] <Arrogant> Thanks.
[08:27] <jasmuz> Console-> #mount -a , that will make your system remount only what is listed in /etc/fstab
[08:27] <sevets> ok
[08:27] <hubidubi> hi
[08:28] <jasmuz> hello there
[08:28] <hubidubi> why do I need password to access http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ ?
[08:28] <sevets> that command is not working :/
[08:29] <jasmuz> hubidubi: no
[08:29] <egg> hi hehe
[08:29] <hubidubi> jasmuz: no what?
[08:29] <jasmuz> hubidubi:  use the MIRRORS...
[08:30] <hubidubi> hm
[08:31] <egg> hubidubi:  what passwd?
[08:31] <hubidubi> jasmuz: is there a list of mirrors?
[08:31] <hubidubi> egg: try to access http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports with apt or browser
[08:31] <Epix> anyone know of a good colaberative editor?
[08:31] <jasmuz> hubidubi:  yes ...check the page
[08:32] <egg> hubidubi:  download backport?
[08:32] <Epix> for linux and windows
[08:32] <egg> Epix:  ed
[08:32] <synd> ugh, i got vnc viewer working on my linux boxes but vnc wont render the desktops on OS X
[08:32] <Epix> egg, ed?
[08:32] <synd> anyone have an idea?
[08:32] <egg> Epix:  good line-mode editor
[08:33] <random_> ubuntu is not registering my soundcard and i therefore have no sound. can anyone help me get sound?
[08:33] <ofir> good morning
[08:33] <egg> Epix:  joke ^_^
[08:33] <Epix> egg, :P
[08:34] <synd> !ubuntuguide
[08:34] <ubotu> I don't know, synd
[08:34] <Epix> but seriously...
[08:34] <synd> random_: did you do the soundfix mentioned on ubuntuguide.org?
[08:34] <random_> probably not
[08:34] <random_> as i did not know there is an ubuntuguide.org :)
[08:35] <synd> random_: ubuntuguide.org is very helpful for new users
[08:35] <random_> thank you
[08:35] <synd> random_: i still use it, and i started with ubuntu 4 months ago.
[08:35] <jayson_I> what software in ubuntu did like DReamweaver?
[08:35] <dr_willis> yep - reading is good. :P
[08:38] <random_> synd: where is this sound fix? i'm on the page
[08:38] <jon_> Hi
[08:38] <jon_> Someone help me or I am switching to Gentoo !
[08:39] <lotusleaf> lol
[08:39] <synd> scroll down to the links
[08:39] <lotusleaf> omg! no! not gentoo! roflcopter
[08:39] <benplaut> welll, there he goes...
[08:39] <benplaut> off to gentoo...
[08:39] <dr_willis> wow..
[08:39] <dr_willis> have fun :P
[08:39] <jon_> Hi
[08:39] <raquel_> hi
[08:39] <jon_> Someone help me or I am switching back to Gentoo
[08:39] <benplaut> he didn't give us much time :)
[08:40] <benplaut> oh, good, you're back :)
[08:40] <dr_willis> wow - so Humble..
[08:40] <puk> XP
[08:40] <raquel_> don't lauph at me: ubuntu installer didn't asked me for root password :s
[08:40] <benplaut> jon_: what do you need help with?
[08:40] <jon_> type
[08:40] <jon_> sudo passwd root
[08:40] <jon_> and make one
[08:40] <dr_willis> raquel_,  thats normal.  and a feature.
[08:40] <jon_> 'k
[08:40] <jon_> I need help compiling e17
[08:40] <raquel_> that is a great advance!
[08:40] <jon_> I get this problem with CFLAGS environment variable.
[08:40] <synd> bleh e17
[08:40] <puk> How can I talk / give commands to my external serial modem?
[08:40] <jon_> e17 compiled with engage as a module damn nice in Gentoo
[08:40] <jon_> I have Engage working.
[08:40] <dr_willis> raquel_,  its a secuyrity feature and well documented in the faq and other docs.
[08:40] <djtansey> raquel: ubuntu by default doesn't allow you to login as root. it is a security precaution. you don't necessarily want to take that advice and make a root passwd. sudo allows you to do what you need
[08:40] <coyote10> somebody can say to me.......as I see the modulos that a wireless uses?
[08:40] <bob2> jon_: #e is a better place to ask for help with e17
[08:41] <jon_> But it's crap compared to my Gentoo builds which I lost to someone . .
[08:41] <raquel_> i thought only system linspire would do that
[08:41] <jon_> I don't need help with e17
[08:41] <hubidubi> do the mirror contain backports?
[08:41] <jon_> I need help with compiling.
[08:41] <bob2> jon_: then ask in #e
[08:41] <jon_> hmm
[08:41] <dr_willis> linspire ruls everything as root - i thoght.
[08:41] <bob2> hubidubi: ubuntu mirrors do not
[08:41] <raquel_> dr_willis, i know, but by default.. that really nice!
[08:41] <jon_> They probably know programming good I guess.
[08:41] <jon_> Thanks.
[08:41] <coyote10> hello boys
[08:41] <puk> How can I talk / give commands to my external serial modem?
[08:41] <coyote10> somebody can say to me.......as I see the modulos that a wireless uses?
[08:41] <hubidubi> bob2: so how can I access backports if the main backports server asks password?
[08:42] <bob2> coyote10: please stop repeating..."lsmod" will show all modues, it's up to you to figure out which is which
[08:42] <synd> can i control my Airport Express wireless router with linux?
[08:42] <bob2> hubidubi: by reading their website?
[08:42] <dr_willis> puk - in the past ive just  'echo "ATDT1243" > /dev/modem
[08:42] <hubidubi> bob2: :)
[08:42] <djtansey> raquel: running things as root is very dangerous. especially if you're not a linux veteran
[08:42] <hubidubi> bob2: for now i cound't find anything
[08:42] <puk> Okay, now how do I see what my modem says back to me?
[08:43] <bob2> hubidubi: then wait or ask on their forum
[08:43] <bob2> puk: use "minicom" for both.
[08:43] <dr_willis> puk  in that case you want to use mInicom
[08:43] <dr_willis> :P
[08:43] <synd> can i control my Airport Express wireless router with linux/ubuntu?
[08:44] <bob2> synd: google doesn't know anything?
[08:44] <synd> bob2: not that i can find.
[08:44] <synd> just wondering if anyone here has had success doing it
[08:45] <bob2> synd: http://edge.mcs.drexel.edu/GICL/people/sevy/airport/
[08:45] <bob2> that was the first hit on google for "airport extreme configure linux"
[08:46] <dr_willis> he said airport express :P
[08:46] <synd> airport express
[08:46] <bob2> and I still found a site
[08:47] <bob2> also, http://www.edmunds-enterprises.com/tools/amz/product_detail.php/mode/electronics/ASIN/B0002GDIII.
[08:47] <egg> synd:  airport express?
[08:48] <synd> egg: yes
[08:49] <espiem> hello
[08:50] <egg> espiem:  hi-hop
[08:50] <espiem> how to refresh panel in kde without logout. gnome use killall gnome-panel
[08:50] <egg> s/hi-hop/give me five
[08:51] <espiem> :-)
[08:51] <egg> hehe (exam?)
[08:51] <Cine> anyone know of a good alarm clock for Linux?  most of the stuff i the synaptic package manager is pretty useless...
[08:51] <egg> a story that worth 0$
[08:52] <TongMaster> jasmuz, any reason why you pinged me?
[08:52] <egg> synd:  what yes?
[08:52] <jasmuz> jon_: what is the problem...do you know how to install gentoo?
[08:52] <jasmuz> jon_: what is the problem...do you know how to install gentoo?
[08:52] <egg> synd:  new stuff?
[08:53] <jasmuz> raquel_: hi
[08:53] <jasmuz> hubidubi: yes!
[08:53] <jasmuz> puk: minicom?
[08:53] <jasmuz> hubidubi: use a mirror...the main server is down
[08:53] <synd> egg: you said "synd: airport express?"
[08:53] <jasmuz> puk: Minicom!!!
[08:53] <synd> i replied yess
[08:53] <raquel_> jasmuz, hi
[08:53] <egg> synd:  umm, I see
[08:53] <synd> uh huh
[08:53] <jasmuz> raquel_: :)
[08:53] <shinu> jasmuz: why did you ctcp pinged me?
[08:54] <raquel_> jasmuz, :] 
[08:54] <egg> synd:  Could I buy a apple computer and no osx something software?
[08:54] <lotusleaf> jasmuz don't ping me
[08:55] <jasmuz> for all the paranoid guys in the channel i did a ctcp ping of the whole channel,....i have no use whatsoever to ping you again
[08:55] <bob2> jasmuz: please don't do that
[08:55] <lotusleaf> jasmuz you had no use to ping me to begin with
[08:56] <jasmuz> lotusleaf: its not my intent...pardon me
[08:56] <egg> synd:  I want a "void" ibook...
[08:56] <lotusleaf> jasmuz but it still happened
[08:56] <coyote10> hello
[08:56] <egg> synd:  Where to buy?
[08:56] <coyote10> execute lsmod but I cannot identify as it is I modulate of the wireless
[08:57] <bob2> coyote10: why don't you just look it up?  presumably you know which chipset it is?
[08:57] <coyote10> somebody wants to see my lsmod so that it identifies that I modulate uses my wireless?
[08:58] <bob2> coyote10: why are you trying to find this out?
[09:00] <coyote10> por que quiero pasar ese modulo a debian
[09:00] <jasmuz> coyote10: es en ingles!
[09:00] <coyote10> so that I want to happen that I modulate to debian
[09:00] <coyote10> xDDDD
[09:00] <bob2> coyote10: so, read your dmesg lo
[09:00] <bob2> g
[09:02] <coyote10> bob2, Who I read that registry?
[09:04] <coyote10> as commando I execute?
[09:05] <bob2> you run "dmesg" and look for a mention of your card
[09:05] <bob2> or put the output online somewhere
[09:06] <coyote10> ok
[09:07] <coyote10> ready thankyou
[09:07] <jasmuz> coyote10: de donde eres'
[09:07] <coyote10> mexico
[09:08] <jasmuz> coyote10: un placer, soy de la republica dominicana..
[09:08] <synd> jasmuz: you from dominican republic?
[09:09] <jasmuz> synd: yes...why?
[09:09] <Unintentional> hey, does anyone know how I can get Ubuntu to support multiple simultaneous sounds?
[09:09] <synd> i frequent punta cana
[09:09] <cikilin> has anybody installed AOL on ubuntu?
[09:09] <synd> Unintentional: enable alsa
[09:09] <coyote10> ups salio otro problema
[09:09] <cikilin> has anybody installed AOL on hoary?
[09:09] <dr_willis> Unintentional,  Hmm.. mine does allready
[09:09] <dr_willis> Unintentional,  may be depending on youyr sound card.
[09:10] <dr_willis> and programs.
[09:10] <synd> cikilin: probably via Wine
[09:10] <jasmuz> synd:  punta cana...nice place
[09:10] <synd> jasmuz: very. and i love a nice pitcher of el presidente
[09:10] <cikilin> hello
[09:11] <synd> with a bit of lime
[09:11] <jasmuz> synd:  then you are a good drinker...i see people that come here...and with one presidente they are drunk
[09:12] <synd> jasmuz: haha. i can handle about 10-12
[09:12] <jasmuz> synd: i can drink up to 6 jumbos
 thanks.  this is looking promising.
[09:12] <coyote10> where unloading modulos pcmcia?
[09:12] <jasmuz> jumbos contain 3 presidente's
[09:13] <synd> jasmuz: wow
[09:13] <synd> jasmuz: ive done that a few times. but usually after 15, i dont remember much
[09:13] <coyote10> is for a wireless
[09:13] <jasmuz> synd: remember im dominican, we start drinking at a early age
[09:13] <synd> jasmuz: thats true.
[09:14] <synd> jasmuz: im from Kentucky : )
[09:14] <jasmuz> synd: never been there
[09:14] <synd> jasmuz: we are drunk when we're born : O)
[09:14] <jasmuz> synd: hahahaha
[09:14] <synd> jasmuz: ever heard of Jim Beam whiskey?
[09:14] <coyote10> where unloading modulos pcmcia?
[09:14] <jasmuz> synd: nope
[09:14] <coyote10> is for a wireless
[09:14] <synd> jasmuz: jack daniels?
[09:15] <ekCo> has the new nvidia drivers been added to updates?
[09:15] <jasmuz> synd: yea
[09:15] <synd> jasmuz: its made very close to here
[09:16] <jasmuz> synd: great!
[09:16] <cikilin> has anybody installed AOL  on hoary?
[09:16] <ekCo> ???
[09:17] <synd> jasmuz: a Wild Turkey distillery (a very potent form of whiskey) had an accident and barrells and barrells of it was dumped into the kentucky river
[09:17] <cikilin> has anybody installed AOL  on hoary?please help
[09:17] <jasmuz> synd:  OMG...what a waste of booze!
[09:18] <ekCo> have the new nvidia drivers been updated yet to the ftps?
[09:18] <bob2> cikilin: "AOL"? you mean AIM?
[09:19] <cikilin> does anybody had install AOL?
[09:19] <synd> cikilin: its possible via Wine
[09:19] <cikilin> ?
[09:19] <ekCo> hey bob2
[09:19] <bob2> cikilin: what do you mean by "AOL"?  the dialup client?
[09:19] <ekCo> are the new nvidia drivers uploaded? or..
[09:19] <cikilin> bob2 i mean aol8+ like in xp
[09:19] <synd> why anyone would want to use AOL.. is beyond me.
[09:20] <teknomaniac> hi i've installed tvtime ,and i have black & white colors,i'm searching enything in google ,maybe someone have the same problem ?what should i do ?i'm new ,please help
[09:20] <bob2> cikilin: which is what?
[09:20] <ekCo> 10% of americans?
[09:20] <bob2> ekCo: why don't you just go check?
[09:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> AOL isen't even internet
[09:20] <cikilin> america on line
[09:20] <bob2> cikilin: yes, I know
[09:20] <bob2> cikilin: what on earth does the "aol8+" software do?
[09:20] <lotusleaf> Does anyone else notice their hard drive light flashing every other second in Hoary? It's happening even when the system is idle and I'm curious what service or program could be causing this.
[09:20] <synd> bob2: hes probably talking about the AOL software.
[09:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> it's just a bunch of chached websites on some server someware
[09:20] <bob2> synd: which does what? let you dialup?
[09:20] <cikilin> this one i had before
[09:20] <synd> bob2: and browse
[09:20] <bob2> wow
[09:21] <bob2> people use the aol browser?
[09:21] <synd> bob2: win users do.
[09:21] <synd> bob2: its a hyped up IE
[09:21] <bob2> ah
[09:21] <_Church_of_Foamy> hey bob2 can you use conserve to make an entrie backup of your hard drive to another hard drive on the same system?
[09:21] <bob2> I don't know what "conserve" is
[09:21] <_Church_of_Foamy> scuse me konserve
[09:22] <cikilin> synd
[09:22] <_Church_of_Foamy> <--just woke up
[09:22] <cikilin> can i install it on ubuntu?
[09:22] <bob2> I don't know what that is either
[09:22] <synd> cikilin: no
[09:22] <cikilin> ok
[09:22] <synd> cikilin: why do you want it
[09:22] <cikilin> i need it
[09:22] <_Church_of_Foamy> ok what would you reccomend for doin hd to hd backups?
[09:22] <synd> for?
[09:22] <cikilin> to hide my ip
[09:22] <bob2> _Church_of_Foamy: I'd just use dd.
[09:22] <synd> theres other ways to hide your ip.
[09:22] <bob2> cikilin: er, it doesn't hide your ip
[09:23] <_Church_of_Foamy> you wanna hide your ip get a proxy
[09:23] <cikilin> synd witch is?
[09:23] <bob2> how can any software hide your ip at all?
[09:23] <synd> cikilin: why you wanna hide your ip?
[09:23] <cikilin> withaout proxy?
[09:23] <bob2> cikilin: AOL is not hiding your ip from anyone
[09:24] <cikilin> it was
[09:24] <bob2> no
[09:24] <jasmuz> synd: :P
[09:24] <bob2> that's not how the internet works
[09:24] <synd> jasmuz: ?
[09:24] <NicP> whats an easy to use network/internet traffic monitor i can use?
[09:24] <bob2> NicP: "iptraf" is really simple
[09:24] <bob2> NicP: depends what you want to monitor
[09:24] <synd> NicP: theres a built in one you can add to your panel
[09:25] <NicP> i just wanna see network traffic
[09:25] <cikilin> synd what is hiding my  ip
[09:25] <cikilin> ?
[09:25] <NicP> i dunno how i have use 2 gig this month already
[09:25] <synd> NicP: gkrellm tracks your daily, weekly, and monthly network traffic
[09:26] <synd> NicP: and has a nice graph to monitor
[09:27] <cikilin> synd is any posibility withaout proxy to hide my ip?
[09:27] <synd> cikilin: not to my knowledge.
[09:27] <synd> cikilin: why bother hiding your ip anyways?
[09:27] <cikilin> ok
[09:27] <cikilin> i like that
[09:27] <bob2> note that AOL was not hiding your ip
[09:27] <bob2> unless they forced everything through a proxy
[09:28] <synd> they surely dont do that
[09:28] <bob2> or NAT everyone
[09:28] <bob2> which is pretty sick, too
[09:28] <cikilin> bob2 if i have aol openened and i check my ip it was another one
[09:28] <bob2> cikilin: "check my ip"?
[09:28] <bob2> cikilin: you mean by going to some website in your webbrowser?
[09:28] <cikilin> on www.stayinvisible.com
[09:28] <stjepan> one question: Is Ubuntu compatble with Debian and Knoppix?
[09:29] <bob2> right
[09:29] <cikilin> test my ip
[09:29] <bob2> stjepan: compatible?  you cannot safelu mix packages, no
[09:29] <Hajuu> hey there.. im having alot of trouble connecting to irc.. it usually takes an obcenely long time... It doesnt seem too bad on freenode.. but on the undernet network its absolutely terrible
[09:29] <Hajuu> any ideas why this may be?
[09:29] <bob2> cikilin: your ip is 141.85.0.91.
[09:29] <synd> cikilin: different from what? your local IP?
[09:29] <bob2> Hajuu: do you have a "firewall" that is just dropping packets on the floor?
[09:29] <bob2> some silly systems call that "stealth" mode
[09:29] <stjepan> If I compile any program on Ubuntu, can I run that on Debian or Knoppix?
[09:29] <cikilin> if i had aol it wasnt that
[09:29] <Hajuu> bob2: I dont think I have a firewall...
[09:30] <Hajuu> Not unless ubuntu installed one for me
[09:30] <tgwj> stjepan yes usually
[09:30] <bob2> stjepan: depends which version of debian or knoppix
[09:30] <synd> cikilin: go get on AOL and come back
[09:30] <bob2> Hajuu: your ubuntu machine is directly on the internet?
[09:30] <cikilin> i am in ubuntu
[09:30] <Hajuu> yes'm
[09:30] <Hajuu> why?
[09:30] <jasmuz> stjepan: of course!...its the same architecture
[09:30] <cikilin> i dontr have xp anymore
[09:30] <bob2> jasmuz: er, that's not true
[09:30] <synd> cikilin: dont worry about AOL.
[09:30] <bob2> stjepan: it will run on sarge, but not woody, for instance
[09:30] <jasmuz> bob2: even if you have the basic compilers installed?
[09:31] <bob2> jasmuz: yes
[09:31] <bob2> jasmuz: you can't ocmpile against a recent version of glibc and run it on an older one
[09:31] <bob2> (in general)
[09:31] <tgwj> stjepan depends on the version of the libraries if you don't link static. gnome 2.10 apps might NOT work.
[09:31] <stjepan> tnx
[09:32] <stjepan> is Gnome faster than Kde?
[09:32] <bob2> it's subjective
[09:32] <bob2> try both and see
[09:32] <stjepan> what about RAM?
[09:33] <synd> what about ram?
[09:33] <_Church_of_Foamy> how to chang drives to hdd1 in konsole?
[09:33] <tgwj> stjepan GNOME will slow down if you use KDE applications...
[09:33] <bob2> _Church_of_Foamy: depends where it is mounted
[09:33] <synd> kde and gnome need at LEAST 128 to run decently.
[09:33] <Hajuu> Another question.. I have my homefolder, and a file in there which I want to use to share my web documents out of... How can I make it so that the webserver can perminently access all files in there and all subdirectories etc ? cause now I can view the contents of the folder and get a directory listing.. but if I try to open localhost/index.htm for example.. it says im forbidden
[09:33] <stjepan> yes
[09:33] <_Church_of_Foamy> it's a slave on the secondary ide
[09:33] <synd> i recommend 256 or 512 for gnome or kde
[09:33] <stjepan> I have 352MB
[09:33] <stjepan> not 352?
[09:34] <stjepan> :)
[09:34] <bob2> Hajuu: you mean ~/public_html/?
[09:34] <Lafitte-> can i get help installing a file out of apt    its a tar file
[09:34] <synd> 351 is an odd number
[09:34] <bob2> _Church_of_Foamy: it depends where it was mounted.  look in /etc/fstab to find out.
[09:34] <bob2> Lafitte-: apt doesn't "install" tar files
[09:34] <bob2> Lafitte-: what are you trying to do?
[09:34] <bigfoot> Hello, I'm new to Ubuntu. I'm using mplayer to play a movie file (.avi). When I choose full-screen the movie is still the same size. The only change is that the mplayer window increased in size. Is this a bug in Mplayer? Or is it just me? How can I fix it?
[09:34] <Hajuu> bob: no.. I dont want to use that feature.. I just want to have one, perminent folder, which I want located in my home folder, just for preference
[09:34] <bob2> bigfoot: mplayer -zoom ...
[09:34] <mpq> I have a SERIOUS problem with ubuntu
[09:34] <Lafitte-> bob2,  i need to do an install of 915resolution
[09:34] <bob2> mpq: just ask it
[09:34] <mpq> occasionally the keyboard won't respond
[09:34] <synd> stjepan: if you want a speed boost compared to gnome, try xfce4
[09:35] <bigfoot> bob2, where's zoom in the context menu?
[09:35] <stjepan> synd: It is 152MB + 256MB - 32MB(graphic card)
[09:35] <mpq> all the windows stop responding
[09:35] <bob2> Hajuu: what?
[09:35] <bob2> bigfoot: context menu?
[09:35] <tgwj> bigfoot use xine
[09:35] <mpq> and when I click it acts as if I'm trying to drag them
[09:35] <bob2> bigfoot: you pass it as an option when you run mplayer
[09:35] <mpq> and I have to unplug the computer to reboot
[09:35] <bob2> bigfoot: or put it in the mplayer config file
[09:35] <bob2> Lafitte-: then read the instructions that came with it
[09:35] <bigfoot> bob2, oh i see. So I can't just click on the mplayer icon in the Gnome Main menu?
[09:35] <Lafitte-> i am     the cmmands dnt work
[09:35] <tgwj> bigfoot maybe you have to use (or not use) Xv instead of X11
[09:36] <bob2> bigfoot: I have no idea
[09:36] <bob2> Lafitte-: so, paste your commands and the output in #flood
[09:36] <bob2> tgwj: Xv doesn't work on bigfoot's chipset
[09:36] <Hajuu> bob: well Im not saying that I want to use the ~user/folder thing.. I just directed it to use a folder in my home folder as its root document directory... and I can see the contents of the home folder OK.. but other than that, if I try to open any files in there through my browser, apache displays a forbidden error.
[09:36] <_Church_of_Foamy> dev/hdd1       /mnt/storage
[09:36] <_Church_of_Foamy> accroding to fstab
[09:36] <bob2> _Church_of_Foamy: cd /mnt/storage/
[09:36] <_Church_of_Foamy> cool
[09:36] <bob2> Hajuu: make them all readable by everyone
[09:37] <Hajuu> How?
[09:37] <_Church_of_Foamy> and how to set permissions for a user to create/remove files?
[09:37] <Hajuu> that was my question
[09:37] <Hajuu> heh
[09:37] <synd> all this is making me want a smoke
[09:37] <bigfoot> bob2, actually at this moment, the avi file is playing without flicker in mplayer. When i used  totem 20 minutes ago, it was fine. Then I paused the .avi. Then I resumed it again, but it started flickering . THat's why I'm trying out mplayer right now.
[09:37] <bob2> Hajuu: ie: find ~/dir/ -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod ugo=rx ; find ~/dir/ -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod ugo=r
[09:37] <bob2> _Church_of_Foamy: it's a fat drive?
[09:37] <bob2> bigfoot: ok!
[09:38] <bigfoot> tgwj, i tried changing mplayer's video setting from x11 to xv, and both play fine, but i still can't change the zoom level.
[09:38] <tgwj> bigfoot have you tried xine ?
[09:38] <mpq> I can't use ubuntu if it does this
[09:38] <Hajuu> uhm!!
[09:38] <Hajuu> I dont understand that at all
[09:38] <Hajuu> haha
[09:38] <bigfoot> bob2, so i how can configure mplayer to play in full screen? WHat command exactly do i run in terminal ?
[09:38] <bob2> bigfoot: nevermind then, use xine
[09:39] <_Church_of_Foamy> bob2: fat drive?
[09:39] <Lafitte-> bob2,  ok i did
[09:39] <liable> bigfoot: what if you open it through the mplayer menu instaead of double clicking it?
[09:39] <bob2> Lafitte-: no, you didn't paste what you ran, you paste the instructions you're supposed to read
[09:39] <Lafitte-> bob2,   oh      sorry
[09:40] <Lafitte-> bob2,  wantme to open window with you ?   easier ?
[09:40] <synd> Lafitte-: pastebin.com
[09:40] <_Church_of_Foamy> bob2 whats a "fat drive"
[09:40] <Hajuu> find ~/dir/ -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod ugo=rx ; find ~/dir/ -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod ugo=r :: What does that do? And I dont neccisarilly want EVERYONE to be able to read the contents of the directory.. isnt there an easy way to just make the webservers user be able to access all subfiles (read and write) of that folder?
[09:41] <bob2> _Church_of_Foamy: what filesystem is it?
[09:41] <bob2> Lafitte-: no
[09:41] <metzen> bigfoot: -fs
[09:41] <_Church_of_Foamy> ext3
[09:41] <bob2> Hajuu: no, you can't
[09:41] <_Church_of_Foamy> i set it up for a storage drive
[09:41] <Lafitte-> ok     thanks for help
[09:41] <bob2> Hajuu: if the web server can read it, everyone else can, anyway
[09:41] <Hajuu> no? Well that seems silly
[09:41] <bob2> _Church_of_Foamy: then you don't need any special options, normal unix permissions control who can edit and create things
[09:41] <Hajuu> howso?
[09:42] <_Church_of_Foamy> weard it won't let me create folders :(
[09:42] <bob2> Hajuu: what is the point of protecting files from people, when they can hit the webserver and read them anyway?
[09:42] <bob2> _Church_of_Foamy: fix the permissions
[09:42] <_Church_of_Foamy> how?
[09:42] <Hajuu> bob2:  cause I can block webserver access through htaccess files.. if anyone on my pc can view them.. that I cannot stop.
[09:42] <bigfoot> bob2, i closed mplayer and opened up xine, but the screen in xine is flickering. What is the problem? BEfore i thought that the problem was not player specific, but now I retract that statement. mplayer has no flicker (purple horizonntal lines), but totem and xine do. AM i missing some sort of plugins for xine or totem? How come things play fine in mplayer, but things don't always play fine in Xine or totem?
[09:42] <bob2> Hajuu: so...
[09:42] <_Church_of_Foamy> just right click and select propertys and do it that way?
[09:43] <bob2> Hajuu: if you don't want people reading it, change the permissions so they can't
[09:43] <Hajuu> So I dont want people on my computer to be able to see the files in there
[09:43] <Lafitte-> where is the noob channel  i can get help with this ?
[09:43] <bob2> Hajuu: by coincidence, the webserver won't be able to, either
[09:43] <bob2> Lafitte-: here
[09:43] <bob2> Lafitte-: you need to paste what I asked, or no one can help you
[09:43] <Lafitte-> i  dnt understand
[09:43] <tgwj> bigfoot, maybe you have to select Xv in xine ?...
[09:43] <Lafitte-> what your asking
[09:43] <bob2> bigfoot: as I explained weeks ago, Xv is broken
[09:43] <Hajuu> well that seems like a silly setup... cant I just have the webserver run as myself?
[09:44] <Lafitte-> i didnt ru anything    i dn know how   i tried make <filename>   didnt work
[09:44] <bigfoot> bob2, what do you mean "xv is broken"? Were you the one who guided me from changing gstreamer-properties to "XWindows (No Xv)"?
[09:44] <bob2> Lafitte-: no, that's not what the instructions said
[09:44] <bob2> Hajuu: not on port 80 you can't
[09:44] <Hajuu> Why's that?
[09:45] <bigfoot> if Xv is broken, bob2, then I shouldn't be selecting it as the video setting, right?
[09:45] <Hajuu> :(
[09:45] <Hajuu> heh
[09:45] <bob2> Hajuu: no unix lets users run servers on ports below 1024
[09:45] <bob2> Hajuu: you seem to be making this massively complicated for no reason
[09:45] <Hajuu> well
[09:45] <Lafitte-> bob2, i get errors however i try it
[09:45] <bob2> bigfoot: yes, exactly
[09:45] <_Church_of_Foamy> bob2 how to set permissions on /mnt/storage/ so anyone cna change the data?
[09:45] <bob2> Lafitte-: so
[09:45] <bob2> Lafitte-: read the instructions
[09:45] <bob2> Lafitte-: and show us what happens when you run them (in #flood)
[09:46] <bob2> _Church_of_Foamy: same way you set them anywhere else: sudo chmod ugo=rwx,g=t /mnt/storage
[09:46] <Fikrann> Hello
[09:46] <_Church_of_Foamy> i diden't know that thanx man ^_^
[09:47] <Hajuu> no its unix that is making it needlessly complicated.. all I want is to be able to have one folder in my users home directory act as my doc_root... and have the webserver user be able to access the files held within (blockable by htaccess files) but not have anyone else logged on on my pc to be able to access it..
[09:47] <bob2> Hajuu: so
[09:47] <bob2> Hajuu: make the files owned by www-data
[09:47] <bob2> or use ACLs
[09:47] <bob2> or a million other things
[09:47] <bob2> but this is needlessly complicated
[09:47] <_Church_of_Foamy> bob2 it worked thanx man ^_^
[09:47] <bob2> np
[09:48] <mpq> this is infuriating
[09:48] <bigfoot> bob2, I tried metzen 's suggestion (mplayer -fs foo.avi) but it is the same problem as i have with the GUImplayer. The program window _is_ fullscreen, yes, but the movie file itself is still the same size. Is this a bug with mplayer, or is it just me and my mplayer? How can this be resolved?
[09:49] <mpq> I have a debilitating problem with ubuntu and nobody's helping me
[09:49] <bob2> bigfoot: mplayer -zoom -vo x11 blah.avi
[09:49] <Hajuu> find ~/dir/ -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod ugo=rx ; find ~/dir/ -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod ugo=r :: ok.. explain to me what your solution does
[09:49] <bob2> mpq: try asking on the mailing list
[09:49] <mpq> the what
[09:49] <bob2> mpq: you can't demand help from random strangers around the world
[09:49] <jasmuz> mpq what is your issue?
[09:49] <_Church_of_Foamy> now i need to figure out how to backup my entire hard drive hopefully in a compressed format
[09:49] <bob2> mpq: http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[09:49] <bob2> bigfoot: (as I said long ago, you need to run it with -zoom)
[09:49] <jasmuz> mpq: if you cant find answers here...post it in www.ubuntuforums.org
[09:49] <bigfoot> okay, bob2 thanks. will try it now.
[09:50] <Lafitte-> bob2,  the first errors are in flood
[09:50] <Fikrann> Hajuu: I think man find will give you all the information.
[09:50] <mpq> it would probably help if I knew what the problem was
[09:50] <bob2> Lafitte-: so, now you've shown us (only some of, for some reason) the error, we can begin to help
[09:50] <bob2> Hajuu: it makes all the files readable by everyone, and the dirs readable and executable by everyone
[09:50] <bob2> Lafitte-: install the "build-essential" package
[09:50] <mpq> I bet it's the mouse
[09:51] <Hajuu> what about new files that I create as a specific user? will they automatically be readable by everyone?
[09:51] <bob2> Hajuu: depends on how you configure your umask
[09:51] <bigfoot> bob2, the command worked... sort of! the command in terminal popped open another window containing the avi file. It was in a small size, I had to hit the "maximize " button on the top right of the window.
[09:52] <bob2> bigfoot: yes, or the "f" key to make it full screen (no window bordeR)
[09:52] <Lafitte-> bob2,  installing now
[09:52] <Lafitte-> bob2,  done
[09:52] <bigfoot> bob2, you did it!
[09:52] <Hajuu> heh ok
[09:52] <Hajuu> sorted
[09:53] <_Church_of_Foamy> anyone know how to run the ipod in linux or can it not be done?
[09:53] <bob2> _Church_of_Foamy: instyall gtkpod and use it
[09:53] <_Church_of_Foamy> cool
[09:53] <Lafitte-> bob2,  im done installing build-essentials
[09:54] <Hajuu> ok now how do I 1) write shell scripts? do I just write a list of stuff I wanna do into a file with a .sh extension?
[09:54] <Hajuu> or what?
[09:54] <bob2> yes
[09:54] <ivoks> Hajuu: you wirte a file, precedin with #!/bin/sh
[09:54] <ivoks> Hajuu: it doesn't have to have extension
[09:54] <Hajuu> hey?
[09:54] <Hajuu> uhm
[09:54] <Fikrann> Hajuu: you add #!/bin/bash in the first line, then make your file executable
[09:54] <ivoks> Hajuu: you just have to make it executable
[09:55] <Hajuu> ah right
[09:55] <Hajuu> and uhm
[09:55] <Hajuu> just one command per line or what?
[09:55] <Hajuu> or do I need a delimiter?
[09:55] <bob2> yes
[09:55] <bob2> the delimiter is \n or ;
[09:55] <ivoks> Hajuu: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/abs-guide.pdf
[09:55] <Hajuu> alrighty then
[09:56] <Hajuu> and how can I make something (eg.. like a shell script.) run at startup?
[09:56] <bob2> Hajuu: put it in /usr/local/bin/, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/blah, and modify it
[09:57] <Lafitte-> bob2,  what do i do with build-essentials ?
[09:57] <bob2> Lafitte-: now try the instructions again
[09:57] <bigfoot> bob2, i am trying to play another .avi movie file. Mplayer pops up a "Fatal Error" window with the message: MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio. -Mplayer crashed by bad usage fo CPU/FPU/RAM. Recompile MPlayer with --enable-debug and make a "gdb" backtrace and disassembly. ..." What's wrong?
[09:57] <Hajuu> skeleton? alrighty
[09:57] <bob2> bigfoot: no, you need to show us the entire command line you used
[09:58] <Fikrann> bigfoot: try playing your video with another player, xine preferably.
[09:58] <Lafitte-> bob2,  yep    works now
[09:58] <Lafitte-> bob2,  now ill try see if i cn do this
[09:59] <japoeder> does anyone have any suggestions for wmv and quictime file format plugins for Mozilla?
[09:59] <bigfoot> Fikrann, Wow! It works nicely with Xine. But I'm so scared I won't get the same results when I try playing it later on.
[10:00] <Hajuu> how can I make a message be displayed on the screen when the script is running? like in the login sequence if I want it to say something but not pause
[10:00] <bob2> Hajuu: e.g.?
[10:01] <Hajuu> Like.. I want it to say.. "Now Updating your locate/slocate database..."
[10:01] <bigfoot> bob2, okay, the command i had in console to run the other .avi file was:mplayer -zoom -vo x11 foo.avi
[10:01] <ivoks> Hajuu: why don't you check out http://jamesthornton.com/linux/abs-guide
[10:01] <bob2> bigfoot: adding -fs will make it run fullscreen
[10:01] <ivoks> Hajuu: all your questions are answered there
[10:01] <bob2> Hajuu: add an echo, then run updatedb in the background (updatedb&)
[10:01] <Fikrann> bigfoot: there are no ideal movie player. Sometimes xine crashes on streams mplayer can read flawlessly. Sometimes it's vice versa. And both players have excellent ability to handle damaged files.
[10:02] <bob2> Hajuu: but bear in mind that will increase your boot time significantly
[10:02] <bob2> Hajuu: and that anacron will already run it once per day for you, anyway
[10:02] <Hajuu> updatedb ? I was just gonna run locate -u
[10:02] <Hajuu> Oh really?
[10:02] <bigfoot> bob2, would you also like to see what terminal printed out?The problem with the second .avi file was not about zoom level or fullscreen. The problem was that the 2nd moviefile would'nt even open up, due to an "audio" problem.
[10:02] <bob2> yes
[10:02] <Hajuu> fairnough
[10:02] <bob2> bigfoot: no, due to mplayer crashing
[10:03] <bigfoot> bob2, yes you are right. Terminal said that mplayer crashed, but it also said something about audio.
[10:03] <bigfoot> bob2, shall i put the results in #flood?
[10:03] <bob2> yes, it crashed in the audio code
[10:03] <bob2> no
[10:03] <Fikrann> bigfoot: it usually does, even though the problem was somewhere else.
[10:04] <ivoks> bob2: i hope you get payed for this :)
[10:04] <bob2> bigfoot: just use xine or something
[10:04] <bob2> ivoks: hah, no
[10:04] <ivoks> bob2: well, you should
[10:04] <bigfoot> Fikrann, you said "it usually does." do you mean mplayer usuallly crashes?
[10:05] <Hajuu> heh
[10:05] <bob2> hah, half a cherry ripe
[10:05] <Lafitte-> bob2,  how cani make this run before x starts    /usr/bin/915resolution 38 1280 800
[10:05] <Lafitte-> 
[10:05] <ivoks> ?
[10:06] <bigfoot> when I play the .avi file in Xine, it is fine in normal zoom level. But when I make it fullscreen, i get the flickering problem (the horizontal purple flashing lines). How can I fix this?
[10:06] <Hajuu> good lord copying from ntfs is slow
[10:07] <Hajuu> heh
[10:07] <Fikrann> bigfoot: No, it usually works. But I've seen it crash enough times, due to corrupted files, to know that.
[10:07] <japoeder> I would like to see embedded video in Mozilla, but am not currently able to.  Can anyone make some suggestions as to how to get this to work?  I have xine and can play downloaded files in it, but this isn't possible for videos that are embedded in the browser.
[10:07] <Fikrann> bigfoot: try changing the video output in xine's preferences.
[10:08] <Fikrann> japoeder: install mplayerplugin
[10:08] <bigfoot> Fikrann, by "corrputed files", do you mean mplayer's files, or the movie file I'm trying to play?
[10:08] <japoeder> would apt-get install mplayerplugin work or is there a special repository I need
[10:08] <bigfoot> Fikrann, bob2 recommends not using Xv. He recommended that I change the setting in gstreamer-properties to "XWindows (No Xv)." what can i do? what do you think will work?
[10:10] <Lafitte-> anyone.....i need to issue a command before x starts,  how cani do this ?
[10:10] <ivoks> xv is the best
[10:10] <bob2> ivoks: but broken on bigfoot's hardware
[10:10] <ivoks> Lafitte-: what are you trying to do with that command?
[10:10] <ivoks> bob2: ati?
[10:10] <bob2> i	i915
[10:11] <ivoks> doh..
[10:11] <McGreg> moinz
[10:11] <ivoks> he should buy video card :)
[10:11] <Lafitte-> ivoks, /usr/bin/915resolution 38 1280 800
[10:11] <japoeder> Fikrann: It isn't listed in any of the repositories I have.  By any chance do you know which one it in?
[10:11] <ivoks> Lafitte-: should I repeat my question?
[10:11] <Lafitte-> ivoks,  set resolution
[10:11] <bob2> Lafitte-: does it really have to run before X?
[10:11] <Lafitte-> yes   before x starts
[10:11] <Fikrann> bigfoot: I do agree, but you must do it in xine preferences if you want to get this error corrected in xine
[10:11] <ivoks> Lafitte-: why don't you set it up in xorg.conf?
[10:11] <bob2> ivoks: that command is a hack for broken video bioses
[10:11] <bigfoot> bob2, you said xv is broken on my hardware. I can't fix this "brokenness," right?
[10:11] <bob2> bigfoot: indeed
[10:11] <ivoks> bob2: ah...
[10:12] <ivoks> bigfoot: you can
[10:12] <ivoks> bigfoot: buy real video card :)
[10:12] <Lafitte-> ivoks,   i did    need that to run before that
[10:12] <bigfoot> Fikrann, so what changes in the Xine Preferences do you recommend? Right now video is set at "auto".
[10:12] <Fikrann> Lafitte-: why not just to set modeline ? This works for me.
[10:12] <Lafitte-> ivoks,  im reading a readme
[10:13] <bob2> Lafitte-: open /etc/init.d/gdm in your editor
[10:13] <Lafitte-> Fikrann,  doesnt work with my video card
[10:13] <bob2> Lafitte-: (with sudo)
[10:13] <bigfoot> ivoks, true. But what I really don't get is what seems to me the random/inconsstent nature of the problem. I mean, one moment the movie file plays fine. The next hour, after starting it up again, it's has the purple-line-fllcker problem.
[10:13] <bob2> Lafitte-: then add the i915 line before the "log_begin_msg "Starting GNOME Display Manager..."" line
[10:13] <benplaut> (o/t) are there any AIM jabber gateways that still work? all the ones i've tried seem to have been blocked...
[10:13] <Fikrann> bigfoot: try xshm or vidix
[10:15] <bigfoot> just to let you all know, my Xine-ui version is 0.99.3. Would having another version make things less problematic? OR is this the latest/best version there is?
[10:15] <jasmuz> Good night people
[10:15] <jasmuz> synd: ciao!
[10:15] <tobias> Hello, I don't know what I changed but since today all Gnome programms are in english (not german like yesterday)
[10:15] <benplaut> g;night jasmuz
[10:15] <benplaut> tobias: did you save your session when you logged out?
[10:16] <Fikrann> bigfoot: you probably should play with another X version or driver.
[10:16] <tobias> benplaut: no, I don't think so
[10:16] <benplaut> vuala!
[10:16] <tobias> btw, gtk programms like gimp or firefox are
[10:16] <tobias> in german
[10:17] <tobias> and local prints:
[10:17] <tobias> LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
[10:17] <tobias> LC_CTYPE="de_DE.UTF-8"
[10:17] <tobias> LC_NUMERIC="de_DE.UTF-8"
[10:17] <tobias> LC_TIME="de_DE.UTF-8"
[10:17] <tobias> LC_COLLATE="de_DE.UTF-8"
[10:17] <tobias> LC_MONETARY="de_DE.UTF-8"
[10:17] <jfk303> Hi, some .mpg work on my computer, others do not? Any ideas? What plug-ins do I need to get all .mpg to work?
[10:17] <benplaut> do they have individual options in the programs to switch language?
[10:17] <tobias> LC_MESSAGES="de_DE.UTF-8"
[10:17] <tobias> LC_PAPER="de_DE.UTF-8"
[10:17] <tobias> LC_NAME="de_DE.UTF-8"
[10:17] <tobias> LC_ADDRESS="de_DE.UTF-8"
[10:17] <tobias> LC_TELEPHONE="de_DE.UTF-8"
[10:17] <benplaut> gnome pretty much only saves its settings when you save session
[10:17] <tobias> LC_MEASUREMENT="de_DE.UTF-8"
[10:17] <tobias> LC_IDENTIFICATION="de_DE.UTF-8"
[10:17] <ivoks> tobias: fsck off
[10:17] <tobias> LC_ALL=
[10:18] <japoeder> does anyone know what repository mplayerplugin is located in?
[10:18] <japoeder> hello
[10:18] <bigfoot> Fikrann, what do you mean? I'm a month old newbie to Ubuntu/Linux, so the only X version or driver i have is what the UBuntu Cd installed on my system. Please tell me more about: By "x" you mean the gnome desktop or something? What do you mean by "driver"? Which driver?
[10:18] <rixth> How can I mount a ftp server?
[10:19] <benplaut> rixth: gFTP in synaptic
[10:19] <_Church_of_Foamy> arrrgh!
[10:19] <_Church_of_Foamy> >.<
[10:19] <rixth> benplaut, can I mount it on /ftp with gFTP :o
[10:19] <_Church_of_Foamy> stupid winxp >.<,
[10:19] <bigfoot> Fikrann, I changed Xine's video setting from "auto" to Xshm" and now fullscreen has no flicker! Thank you! Though, I may just be imagining things, but it was a bit choppy in the beginning (Though it was smooth after a few seconds). 8-)
[10:20] <TobiasFar> what package do i need for X11/Xft/Xft.h ?
[10:20] <benplaut> rixthh: i dunno...
[10:20] <Fikrann> bigfoot: it's possible, xshm is not very efficent.
[10:21] <bigfoot> Fikrann, is vidix more efficient?
[10:21] <Fikrann> TobiasFar: xlibs-devel
[10:21] <tobias> benplaut: where can I change the language from gnome?
[10:21] <Fikrann> bigfoot: yes, but it might be the one broken. Try, check.
[10:21] <tobias> echo $LANG prints de_DE.UTF-8
[10:21] <rking> i'm building a machine from (new) parts, and an ubuntu ISO that boots from this machine is giving the "Insert system disk" error.  Any ideas where I can start?
[10:21] <TobiasFar> Fikrann: thx
[10:22] <benplaut> tobias: i think in synaptic, there are language packs. not sure how to switch between them
[10:23] <_Church_of_Foamy> picks up hammer and hits xp box DIE!
[10:24] <TobiasFar> Fikrann: i can only fin xlib-dev in synaptic, what i already have installed
[10:24] <Fikrann> rking: try checking if your cd is okay.
[10:24] <marcel_> how do i convert divx to vob files for DVD?
[10:24] <Fikrann> rking: boot another machine from it.
[10:24] <rking> Fikrann: well, it boots on this machine... what other checks can i do?
[10:24] <Hajuu> ok uhm.. I needed a copy of the javavirtual machine last night.. so I apt-get'd an unofficial vm... called jamvm (which I found through apt-cache) uhm... but the application I installed didn't recognize it.. so just now I downloaded the sun one off their site and installed that.. but when I type java -version.. it still shows the other virtual machine...
[10:24] <Echylo> _Church_of_Foamy, take a bootable cdrom, boot into msdos & type format c: ;)
[10:24] <Hajuu> what did I do wrong?
[10:24] <Fikrann> marcel_: mkdvd.pike. Google for it. Works like a charm.
[10:24] <_Church_of_Foamy> lol
[10:25] <peterretief> while running ./configure for lighthttpd I get the following error  C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[10:25] <_Church_of_Foamy> booted up the xp box today and tryed to go into a shared drive on my linux box and it askes me for user/pass
[10:25] <peterretief> is my preprocessor insane
[10:25] <_Church_of_Foamy> there isen't one argggh >.<
[10:26] <_Church_of_Foamy> so much for getting my music collection of of xp >.<
[10:26] <rking> "master"s on IDE chains are in the middle, slaves at the end, right?
[10:27] <Hajuu> _Church_of_Foamy:  Just mount your NTFS drive through linux and copy it over through a root console
[10:27] <marcel_> Fikrann, Where do i get cdrecord-prodvd??
[10:27] <Hajuu> I did the same thing not 10 minutes ago
[10:27] <_Church_of_Foamy> on a remote computer?
[10:27] <psychonate> _Church_of_Foamy, um, couldn't you just use YOUR user name and password?
[10:27] <Hajuu> oh
[10:27] <Hajuu> I see
[10:27] <psychonate> for YOUR user
[10:27] <Hajuu> heh
[10:27] <_Church_of_Foamy> there arnt any user names or passwords
[10:27] <psychonate> you must have a regular user
[10:27] <Fikrann> peterretief: install gcc
[10:28] <psychonate> _Church_of_Foamy, you must have a user.
[10:28] <_Church_of_Foamy> none of the accounts in xp are protected by passwords
[10:28] <vanlal> Hi ubuntu newbie here
[10:28] <_Church_of_Foamy> it's some sorta glitch
[10:28] <vanlal> Can I ask a question without getting flamed?
[10:28] <Hajuu> _Church_of_Foamy:  Try... Creating an XP user by the same username (EXACTLY) as your linux user, and give it EXACTLY the same password.. login as them and then try to access it gain
[10:28] <Hajuu> again
[10:28] <psychonate> _Church_of_Foamy, you made it sound like you were trying to access your linux box
[10:28] <Hajuu> XP has some cross-os auth errors
[10:29] <Hajuu> same as 2000
[10:29] <vanlal> Here goes ... Any known problems with S3 Savage IX graphics chipset on Thinkpad laptops?
[10:29] <Fikrann> vanlal: no
[10:29] <_Church_of_Foamy> no i'm trying to acces my xp box using the linuxbox and it was working till this morning when  booted the xp box :(
[10:29] <_Church_of_Foamy> <---hates xp even more now
[10:30] <vanlal> thanks fikrann
[10:30] <Hajuu> so what I said
[10:30] <Hajuu> give it a go
[10:30] <_Church_of_Foamy> kk
[10:30] <rking> are there any support problems for SATA & linux?
[10:30] <Hajuu> It's worked for me before with cross-OS networks
[10:30] <vanlal> homefully I should get 1024x768 out of the box
[10:30] <Hajuu> rking:  Shouldn't be.
[10:30] <choclinux> hi everybody :P
[10:31] <rking> Hajuu: cool.  Do they mount as /dev/hda1, etc?
[10:31] <Hajuu> uhm
[10:31] <spacey> vanlal, maybe you should try the maillinglist/forums, because its a pretty specific problem.
[10:31] <Hajuu> probably not
[10:31] <spacey> vanlal, oh you didn't try yet?
[10:31] <rking> k.. thanks
[10:31] <vanlal> wilco spacey. I believe in being prepared
[10:32] <spacey> vanlal, thats good:)
[10:32] <lonely> hiiiiii
[10:32] <choclinux> i'm connected through suse linux, the live version on cd, cant install this one on hard disk. Anyway fact remains that my modem works out of the box on suse linux, it detected my modem and everything and all i needed to was use yAST to configure it and voila. Now what i notice is its got KInternet for dialing in, do you guys have a direct link as to where i can get this from the ubuntu archieve :o
[10:33] <xf__> hi there; does anybody know if the stock ubuntu kernels support network configuration/nfs root in the kernel?  if so, what kernel params?
[10:33] <xf__> (this is hoary, 2.6.10-5)
[10:33] <choclinux> another thing is i was hoping to copy over all the configuration files and use them on ubuntu to configure my modem,  you guys know where to look for these config files :o
[10:33] <spacey> xf__, nfs server you mean?
[10:34] <xf__> spacey: no, mounting a remote nfs share as a root fs
[10:34] <spacey> xf__, sure that works
[10:34] <xf__> spacey: i'm trying to setup an ubuntu diskless workstation
[10:34] <xf__> spacey: know what kernel params?  ip=dhcp and nfsroot=blah don't seem to be working
[10:34] <xf__> (booting via pxe)
[10:34] <spacey> sorry never did such a thing
[10:35] <spacey> i only use nfs normally
[10:35] <xf__> how do you know it works then?
[10:35] <xf__> the kernel specifically needs support for it; userland nfs is different
[10:35] <spacey> xf__, then i don't know:)
[10:36] <xf__> spacey: thanks anyway
[10:36] <xf__> anybody else?
[10:36] <Fikrann> xf__: it's not compiled in, you need your own kernel.
[10:36] <xf__> Fikrann: bah, bugger.  know why?
[10:36] <Hajuu> Configuring the installer for this system's environment...
[10:36] <Hajuu> No Java virtual machine could be found from your PATH
[10:36] <Hajuu> environment variable.  You must install a VM prior to
[10:36] <Hajuu> running this program.
[10:36] <Hajuu> Ok uhm
[10:37] <Hajuu> How do I tell it where the VM is?
[10:37] <Hajuu> since it seems to be impropperly registered
[10:37] <psychonate> I didn't know linux had a registry ;)
[10:37] <gaurav_> http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[10:37] <gaurav_> check this out
[10:37] <Hajuu> I never said it did.
[10:38] <psychonate> Where would it be registered?
[10:38] <bob2> just put it in your PATH
[10:38] <Hajuu> gaurav_:  Yeah ive looked at that.. but when I try to apt-get it it says no such package is found
[10:38] <Fikrann> xf__: simple, it's not useful for 99% of users, and those who need it usually prefer using their own kernels tuned to the hardware.
[10:38] <Hajuu> psychonate:  as a process?
[10:38] <gaurav_> then i think u need to make some changes to ur repositories
[10:38] <psychonate> I see. Where are processes registered?
[10:38] <bob2> come on
[10:39] <gaurav_> Hajju which VM have u installed now?
[10:39] <bob2> Hajuu: include it in your PATH
[10:39] <Hajuu> right now I have...
[10:39] <Hajuu> JamVM version 1.2.0
[10:39] <gaurav_> k
[10:39] <Hajuu> (gotten through apt-get)
[10:39] <gaurav_> i know
[10:40] <bob2> Hajuu: what are you trying to run?
[10:40] <psychonate> never heard of that
[10:40] <bob2> most java programs peopel care about require suns java
[10:40] <Hajuu> bob2: Limewire and azureus
[10:40] <bob2> Hajuu: then you need sun's JRE
[10:40] <Hajuu> yeah thats why I got that
[10:40] <Hajuu> I ran it
[10:41] <bob2> jamvm isn't sun's JRE
[10:41] <Hajuu> but it still complains that no java VM is installed
[10:41] <bob2> it's jamvm
[10:41] <Hajuu> Thats what im saying.
[10:41] <psychonate> er, huh?
[10:41] <bob2> ?
[10:41] <Hajuu> I downloaded suns java manually
[10:41] <Hajuu> because my apt-get didnt have it
[10:41] <synd`> DSL is the shit!
[10:41] <gaurav_> Hajju u can find jRE bin file on sun's website
[10:41] <bob2> Hajuu: so, put sun's Java in your $PATH
[10:41] <psychonate> and you installed it correctly?
[10:41] <bob2> ahead of jamvm
[10:41] <Hajuu> and I ran it
[10:41] <Hajuu> to install it
[10:41] <Hajuu> and it hasnt registered when I run java -version
[10:41] <bob2> Hajuu: it won't "register"
[10:42] <bob2> Hajuu: put it in your $PATH
[10:42] <Hajuu> wheres my $PATH?
[10:42] <Hajuu> heh
[10:42] <bob2> Hajuu: for now, run 'export PATH=/blah/blah/jreblah/:$PATH'
[10:42] <xf__> ok, i'll rebuild a kernel; wish to match it as closely against 2.6.10-5 as possible (same patches, .config, et al).  i'm grabbing the linux-source-2.6.10 package, anything else needed?
[10:42] <gaurav_> ur path is by default /bin, /usr/bin, /sbin, /usr/sbin
[10:42] <ivoks> xf__: no
[10:42] <megabit> Hi I need a help with audio in ubuntu. My MP3 not running and when I insert audio CD it isnt running but when I looking to cd with konquerror I can see the songs in ogg.... but when I open it player totem - erorror. Can you help me?
[10:43] <xf__> ivoks: rad, so all the -5 patches are already there in that deb?
[10:43] <gaurav_> check path on ur machine by this command " echo $PATH"
[10:43] <ivoks> xf__: yes
[10:43] <Hajuu> yeah I just did an echo $PATH
[10:43] <Hajuu> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
[10:43] <xf__> allright, and the only difference between the -386, -686 and -k7 packages is simply the one line in .config that defines what system it's compiled for?
[10:43] <ivoks> xf__: you can use /boot/config-2.6.10-5 for your .config to build same kernel as 2.6.10-5
[10:43] <ivoks> xf__: yes
[10:44] <xf__> ivoks: yeah, i will
[10:44] <gaurav_> ok so ur Java VM should be somewhere there
[10:44] <ubuntu> hi!
[10:44] <xf__> okay, cheres
[10:44] <Hajuu> So if I put my java files into /usr/local/bin/ it should work?
[10:44] <xf__> cheers, too :)
[10:44] <gaurav_> i am not sure
[10:44] <apex> anyone knows if ubuntu xorg has evdev support?
[10:44] <ivoks> bye
[10:44] <gaurav_> hv u downloaded the JRE package from Sun's website
[10:44] <fabbione> apex: yes it does
[10:44] <apex> cooool
[10:44] <Hajuu> Yeah
[10:44] <Hajuu> And run it.
[10:44] <apex> i have a logitech mx1000 which has so many buttons, suse wont do it
[10:44] <gaurav_> http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp
[10:44] <gaurav_> okey
[10:45] <gaurav_> which package do u need to run hajju?
[10:45] <transgress> using the ubuntu java wiki will get limewire and azureus running great
[10:45] <hondje> Hi, anyone use mathematica in Ubuntu, and if so are there any issues that Sarge and Sid didn't have?
[10:45] <apex> i am just on the ubuntu live cd.... its really cool
[10:45] <ivoks> fabbione: one question about kernel...
[10:45] <transgress> don't know why you'd wanna go through trying to get the official packages to work
[10:45] <thenuke> apex: for sure it is :)
[10:45] <apex> are there packages of newer kernels?
[10:45] <ivoks> fabbione: is there any chance to get breeys kernel patched with l7-filter?
[10:45] <thenuke> apex: how new kernel do you need then :o
[10:46] <thenuke> 2.6.10-5  seems to be the newest stable one
[10:46] <apex> 2.6.11.x?
[10:46] <ivoks> apex: don't use 2.6.11
[10:46] <apex> i had some burning problems with 2.6.10 under suse
[10:46] <apex> why?
[10:47] <Fikrann> ivoks: why? I'm running .11 with great success.
[10:47] <ivoks> 2.6.11 is one bad kernel :)
[10:47] <apex> anyway... works good so far.
[10:47] <ivoks> Fikrann: good for you :)
[10:47] <Fikrann> ivoks: why?
[10:47] <hondje> 2.6.11 shows why they should have made a 2.7 branch
[10:47] <ivoks> hondje: right :)
[10:47] <apex> what is am missing is "wine", even in synaptic its not there
[10:47] <ivoks> 2.6.11 is one big playground
[10:47] <Fikrann> heh
[10:47] <ivoks> with bunch of broken stuff
[10:47] <transgress> apex: multiverse
[10:48] <hondje> Yeah, I wouldnt' dare run it on my computer, ubuntu is already unstable enough
[10:48] <apex> multiverse? is that a repository?
[10:48] <Fikrann> And I didn't hit anything broken, just a bunch of really nifty features.
[10:48] <ivoks> fabbione: guess not :)
[10:49] <_Church_of_Foamy> ubuntu's unstable?
[10:49] <apex> multiverse? is that a repository?
[10:49] <fabbione> ivoks: l7 ?
[10:49] <hondje> In my opinion, though years of running debian make me think everything is, probably
[10:49] <fabbione> ivoks: what's that?
[10:49] <mjr> apex, yes (though wine is actually in the "universe" one)
[10:49] <ivoks> fabbione: patch for application layer filtering
[10:49] <ivoks> fabbione: for netfilter
[10:49] <fabbione> apex: yes, like universe
[10:49] <fabbione> ivoks: do you have an url?
[10:50] <ivoks> fabbione: it would enable us to develope great firewall
[10:50] <ivoks> fabbione: l7-filter.sf.net ; i use it daily
[10:50] <fabbione> ivoks: and why is not upstream? :)
[10:50] <hondje> Things break that I don't think should break, and I've had some bad luck like BMN on hdb's superblock
[10:50] <ivoks> fabbione: don't know :)
[10:50] <hondje> Might just be me, though, I do some screwy stuff on my desktop
[10:51] <patfm> any opinions on which dell notebook ubuntu likes the most
[10:51] <fabbione> ivoks: it's just an iptables plugin :)
[10:51] <ivoks> fabbione: Might be in patch-o-matic some day :)
[10:52] <ivoks> fabbione: nope... it requiers kernel patching (netfilter)
[10:52] <ivoks> fabbione: and iptables userland
[10:52] <fabbione> ivoks: i am checking how bad the code is
[10:52] <ivoks> fabbione: :>>
[10:52] <fabbione> patchis might be required only to add the plugin
[10:53] <ivoks> fabbione: well, yeah.. as i said, it's netfilter patch and iptables (userland) patch
[10:53] <ivoks> fabbione: works great
[10:53] <hondje> patfm: I tried ubuntu in a dell lappy wednesday, but I can't tell you the model
[10:53] <fabbione> "Since this classifier is much more processor and memory intensive than others, we recommend that you only use it if you have reason to believe that matching by port (or IP number, etc.) is insufficient for your purposes. L7-filter is right for you if:"
[10:54] <Fikrann> ivoks: about .11 kernel .. I realised I never run vanilla .11 kernel; I always use software-suspend2 patchset.
[10:54] <ivoks> fabbione: right
[10:54] <Hajuu> mmm really wanna get my dvd playing going in linux now...
[10:55] <Hajuu> I have yet to play a video with sound
[10:55] <Hajuu> of any form
[10:55] <hondje> Hajuu: Did you check out the ubuntu guide? I followed that and dvd's magically work now
[10:56] <Hajuu> I took a quick gander
[10:56] <hondje> Well, almost magically, nothing automounts anymore, so it's not firing up xine and playing when I put one in...
[10:56] <Fikrann> Hajuu: what player are you using?
[10:56] <Hajuu> ive tried VLC and totem
[10:56] <Fikrann> hondje: run gnome-volume-manager from Run: dialog.
[10:57] <fabbione> ivoks: +++ linux-2.6.11.3-layer7/net/ipv4/netfilter/regexp/regexp.c    2005-03-13 20:30:01.000000000 -0600
[10:57] <fabbione> BRRRRRRR
[10:57] <fabbione> this is scary
[10:57] <hondje> Fikrann: run: dialog == alt-f2?
[10:57] <ivoks> :)
[10:57] <fabbione> yet another regexp implementation
[10:57] <thenuke> "W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures could n't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY .."   I bet that ubuntuguide used to have some info about some pgp-commands to fix this
[10:57] <thenuke> but not anymore :o
[10:57] <hondje> It did indeed
[10:58] <Hajuu> I can play video in VLC.. but it has no sound
[10:58] <thenuke> how do I now find out those commands :I
[10:58] <yahalom> what is the command to connect and disconnect pppoe?
[10:58] <hondje> Hajuu: Does sound work for other apps?
[10:58] <Fikrann> hondje: I think so, I redefined key shortcuts long time ago
[10:58] <Hajuu> yahalom:  pon and poff
[10:58] <hondje> Fikrann: Okay, I'll just run from terminal
[10:59] <Hajuu> hondje:  yeah.. but ive only managed to use sound in my window managers and in XMMS so far
[10:59] <yahalom> Hajuu, thanx
[10:59] <Fikrann> hondje: you need to run it once, it'll register in your gnome session and will automagically start with it from now on.
[10:59] <hondje> Linux sound is a dark mystery to me
[10:59] <Hajuu> heh
[10:59] <hondje> Fikrann: It was already running, it claims
[10:59] <fabbione> ivoks: the patch isn't extremely bad.. if you can get people to work on userland, i can consider patching the kernel
[10:59] <Fikrann> Hajuu: killall esd and try again.
[10:59] <ivoks> fabbione: ok
[11:00] <Hajuu> Fikrann:  nope.. no good
[11:00] <hondje> Fikrann: I tried restarting /etc/init.d/dbus-1, all that did was mount everything and link it on the desktop (per settings I made), but no automagical mounting after that
[11:00] <glill32> ookay, I have it JUST ABOUT figured out.
[11:00] <Hajuu> could I have to reconfigure what OSS DSP device to use from within VLC?
[11:01] <Lafitte-> how do you trace a file that is trying to be loaded but doesnt exist ?     i need to find where it is being loaed from
[11:01] <Lafitte-> loaded
[11:01] <bob2> Lafitte-: what are you trying to run?
[11:01] <Fikrann> Lafitte-: you can play with strace.
[11:01] <hondje> strace?
[11:01] <hondje> :)
[11:01] <hondje> strace is so much fun, makes me wish I was a coder and could use it better
[11:02] <Fikrann> hehe
[11:02] <Lafitte-> bob2,  i remove 855resolution  with dpkg -r filename    but something still trying to load
[11:02] <hondje> I try to code, but the only thing I'm good at is fortran and matlab :)
[11:02] <Lafitte-> bob2,  i see error during boot
[11:04] <Hajuu> so... uhm
[11:04] <Hajuu> any ideas on how to get my sound to be more functional?
[11:04] <Hajuu> It would seem that VLC has my sound device configured to be /dev/dsp.. is that right?
[11:05] <hondje>  /dev/dsp is normal
[11:05] <Hajuu> the VLC config is kinda... not clear.
[11:05] <hondje> Killing esd and trying again didn't give you sound?
[11:05] <Hajuu> ..no
[11:05] <Hajuu> ?
[11:05] <Hajuu> why would it?
[11:05] <Fikrann> Hajuu: you should try running this from terminal: killall esd && vlc <your file>
[11:06] <hondje> I dunno, but I find that it works
[11:06] <Hajuu> It isnt a sound driver problem because my XMMS is working perfectly
[11:06] <hondje> I'm just happy gnome 2.12 is dropping esd
[11:06] <bob2> er
[11:06] <Fikrann> xmms can hook itself to esd no problem.
[11:06] <Lafitte-> is there a way to see a log of the bot process ?
[11:06] <bob2> Hajuu: just tell vlc to use esd
[11:06] <Hajuu> how?
[11:06] <Micksa> the antialiasing of text on my laptop here is producting these weird cyan/yellow fringes
[11:06] <hondje> Lafitte-: If you recently booted, dmesg
[11:07] <bob2> Hajuu: or use a less confusing video player
[11:07] <Fikrann> Micksa: switch to monochromatic AA.
[11:07] <Micksa> how?
[11:07] <hondje> Ogle works well w/ dvds
[11:07] <hondje> I use xine, I'm lucky that it somehow works
[11:08] <Fikrann> Micksa: System -> Preferences -> Fonts
[11:08] <Micksa> oh, is that all :)
[11:08] <Hajuu> ooooh
[11:08] <Hajuu> my sound works now
[11:08] <Hajuu> :S
[11:08] <Hajuu> mysteriously
[11:08] <Micksa> I was expecting to digs into /etc
[11:08] <Micksa> dammit, stop surprsing me guys
[11:08] <hondje> Hajuu: after killing esd? :)
[11:08] <Hajuu> now to try a dvd
[11:08] <Hajuu> hondje:  no.. after killing vlc it would seem
[11:08] <hondje> hrm :)
[11:08] <hondje> well, can't argue with magic
[11:09] <Hajuu> "Totem could not play 'dvd://'. Could not open resource for writing.
[11:09] <Hajuu> :/
[11:09] <Fikrann> Micksa: You might also want to fidget with dpi value in that window .. You can there trade off clarity for space and vice versa.
[11:09] <bob2> Hajuu: so, use a more useful program
[11:10] <bob2> Hajuu: like xine
[11:10] <Fikrann> Hajuu: install totem-xine
[11:10] <hondje> Fikrann: You wouldn't happen to be a font genius would you?
[11:10] <Lafitte-> found it
[11:10] <Lafitte-> was in init.d
[11:10] <Fikrann> hondje: I used to work in prepress, I know a thing or two about them.
[11:10] <Micksa> fikrann: I have a 1920x1200 display 8)
[11:11] <Micksa> I'm not sure antialiasing is necessary
[11:11] <hondje> Fikrann: awesome! http://www.hondje.net/~hondje/borkage.png .... any idea how I could get pages to render better?
[11:11] <Hajuu> yeah I just downloaded xine a minute ago
[11:11] <Hajuu> but ill get totem-xine
[11:11] <hondje> Those fonts are so jumbled, and it's for a woman who is mostly blind, so clarity with larger font size is a important
[11:12] <Hajuu> but once again.. VLC comes through for me
[11:12] <Hajuu> playing DVDs flawlessly
[11:12] <Hajuu> actually I am getting the slightest big of lag
[11:12] <Fikrann> hondje: I can't read your language, therefore I can't see the problem.
[11:13] <Hajuu> quite a bit actually
[11:13] <hondje> Fikrann: I can't read it either.  the problem is that the fonts are overlapping in some places, and generally not laying where they should
[11:13] <MaTt|aS> My english is not good, but i shuld try the best i can.  (Some SWE here?)
[11:14] <Aegr> hondje, may be it is a font issue, you need more fonts installed?
[11:14] <MaTt|aS> I get a problem when i shuld install xmms,
[11:14] <MaTt|aS> *** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found
[11:14] <MaTt|aS> *** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
[11:14] <MaTt|aS> *** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the
[11:14] <MaTt|aS> *** full path to gtk-config.
[11:14] <bob2> MaTt|aS: please don't paste in here
[11:14] <bob2> MaTt|aS: also, xmms is already in ubuntu
[11:14] <hondje> Aegr: I thought so at first, but I installed all the korean fonts I could find w/ apt, actually all the CJK ones
[11:14] <MaTt|aS> sorry, where shuld i paste then?
[11:15] <MaTt|aS> GTK is installed, s? how do i so it became in "path" ?
[11:15] <Fikrann> MaTt|aS: install required -dev packages and read the fine README.
[11:15] <bob2> MaTt|aS: you don't need to paste anything
[11:15] <bob2> MaTt|aS: just install the xmms package
[11:16] <Hajuu> Any ideas as to why my dvd video might be lagging?
[11:16] <Hajuu> well.. dvd performance in general
[11:16] <hondje> Hajuu: Is DMA enabled on your dvd drive?
[11:16] <Hajuu> I dont know
[11:16] <Hajuu> how do I check?
[11:16] <hondje> sudo hdparm -d /dev/hd?
[11:16] <punkass> i am using hoary and just did a regular old update, and now I get kernel panic, i see a few other reports about it in the forums but no fix
[11:17] <MaTt|aS> and how do i do that? xmms is not in unbunto, i cant find in my system.
[11:17] <bob2> MaTt|aS: it is of course in UBUNTU
[11:17] <Fikrann> Hajuu:  cat /proc/ide/hdc/settings
[11:17] <bob2> MaTt|aS: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[11:17] <punkass> cpio:   /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x0000002a95556000): No such file or directory
[11:17] <punkass> even tho that file is there
[11:17] <Hajuu> your way didnt work
[11:18] <Hajuu> heh
[11:18] <Hajuu> command not found
[11:18] <hondje> did you replace ? with the right letter (probably c or d)?
[11:18] <hondje> no hdparm? follow the Fikrann! :)
[11:18] <Hajuu> heheh
[11:18] <Hajuu> yeah I did
[11:18] <Hajuu> uhm
[11:18] <Hajuu> ok it isnt being used
[11:18] <Hajuu> how can I enable it?
[11:18] <Hajuu> and make it so its permenantly enabled
[11:19] <hondje> Hajuu: hdparm -d1 /dev/hd? for now, add it to /etc/hdparm.conf for ever
[11:19] <punkass> when i try and run this: mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-amd64-k
[11:19] <punkass> i get the same /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x0000002a95556000): No such file or directory error
[11:19] <Fikrann> sudo hdparm -Xudma4 -d1 /dev/hdX
[11:19] <Fikrann> You might need to tweak udmax param to your drive.
[11:19] <Hajuu> bash: hdparam: command not found
[11:19] <Micksa> okay, maybe I do need antaliasing :)
[11:19] <Aegr> hondje, try google for "ubuntu korean"
[11:19] <hondje> Hajuu: sudo apt-get install hdparm
[11:20] <punkass> its kinda irritating...since hoary is supposed to be sable and frozen
[11:20] <punkass> stable*
[11:20] <bob2> punkass: 3 or so people have reported that
[11:20] <bob2> punkass: please follow up to the bug report in the bts
[11:20] <punkass> bts?
[11:20] <Hajuu> I do like the way these linux nvida drivers display colour though
[11:20] <Micksa> well well, with a magnifier I can see the subpixels
[11:20] <Hajuu> very nice
[11:20] <Micksa> heh, I can't see THAT well 8)
[11:20] <hondje> Hajuu: Try the digital vibrance setting yet? :D
[11:21] <Hajuu> No.. I didnt? wheres that at?
[11:21] <hondje> Hackmo: nvidia-settings at the prompt
[11:21] <Hajuu> ooh
[11:21] <Fikrann> Micksa: I had to use digital camera with extra macro lens to check the subpixel order on my display }:>
[11:21] <megabit> Hi I have got one problem with music CD. I insert CD after cdplayer run but It write - drive error. Can you help me?
[11:21] <Hajuu> last time I looked in there I saw no settings
[11:21] <hondje> If you read the README with the nvidia drivers (if you didn't apt-get them), it has a long list of options you can add to xorg.conf, so that they'll start automagically
[11:22] <Micksa> fikrann: what DPI?
[11:22] <Fikrann> 124
[11:23] <Hajuu> hmm... I couldnt find any digital vibrancy setting
[11:23] <Micksa> 145 8)
[11:24] <Hajuu> E: Couldn't find package hdparam
[11:24] <Hajuu> oh
[11:24] <Hajuu> my bad
[11:25] <Hajuu> hdparm -Xudma4 -dl /dev/hdd
[11:25] <Hajuu> That doesnt work
[11:25] <hondje> Hajuu: Don't forget sudo
[11:25] <Hajuu> im running a root console
[11:26] <hondje> oh, mea culpa :)
[11:26] <Hajuu> :)
[11:26] <MaTt|aS> Thanx, now i find it (:
[11:26] <hondje> What do you mean, doesn't work?
[11:26] <Fikrann> Hajuu: what the error was?
[11:26] <Hajuu> no error.. it just displays the list of valid parameters
[11:27] <Fikrann> Hajuu: its -dONE not -dLETTER L
[11:27] <Hajuu> huh?
[11:27] <hondje> oh, good catch
[11:28] <hondje> its' -d1, not -dl ... number 1, not letter l
[11:28] <MaTt|aS> I had another problem, i think its easy to fix but i ask it anyway when im allready here. When i mount a NTFS partion with Root, how do i do so the other users can use it?
[11:28] <Hajuu> oh
[11:28] <Hajuu> well I just copy and pasted what you wrote before, less the drive mount
[11:28] <Hajuu> OH
[11:28] <Hajuu> I see
[11:28] <Hajuu> hahah
[11:28] <Hajuu> my mistake
[11:28] <Hajuu> oh wow
[11:28] <Hajuu> there we
[11:28] <Hajuu> there we go
[11:29] <Hajuu> thats beautiful
[11:29] <Micksa> okay, if I set the DPI in the font preferences to my actual DPI,
[11:29] <Hajuu> thanks
[11:29] <hondje> yes, dma makes all better :)
[11:29] <Micksa> how do I make the fonts smaller again? :)
[11:29] <bob2> punkass: look in the initrd...
[11:29] <Micksa> I *want* tiny fonts
[11:29] <hondje> Aegr: All the links I found have already been followed for korean support in ubuntu, but thanks for the thought :)
[11:29] <Hajuu> tiny fonts?
[11:29] <Fikrann> Hajuu: if you have new drive, you can try higher udma mode, for even more data transfer.
[11:29] <Fikrann> Micksa: set dpi to 80
[11:29] <Hajuu> Fikrann:  Will it break anything? heh
[11:29] <bob2> punkass: actually, what does "dpkg -l libc6 | grep ^ii" print out?
[11:30] <Micksa> but then it's wrong 8)
[11:30] <Micksa> oh hang on
[11:30] <hondje> Hajuu: Probably nothing permanent :)
[11:30] <Micksa> I missed the font sizes in the prefs :)
[11:30] <Micksa> oops
[11:30] <hondje> hdparm is one awesome utility
[11:30] <hondje> what's the windows equivalent to hdparm?
[11:30] <Hajuu> hdparm -Xudma50 -d1 /dev/hdd
[11:30] <bob2> punkass: are you using the backport repository?
[11:30] <Hajuu> haha
[11:30] <hondje> make that fileserver at work run better :D
[11:31] <Fikrann> Hajuu: it won't break anything, unless you change parametres while writing to disk.
[11:31] <MaTt|aS> Can someone help me? How do i do so "user mattias" can se my mounted NTFS partions?
[11:31] <hondje> MaTt|aS: What do you mean by see?
[11:31] <bigfoot> Hello all, I'm trying to run a foo.avi on mplayer. Does the A-V delay (the - and + keys) work? Coz it seems I can't get the audio and video to sychronize, regardless of whether I have a  negative or a positive number.
[11:31] <bob2> MaTt|aS: just make it so everyone can
[11:31] <Fikrann> Hajuu: there are udma modes 1-6.
[11:31] <Hajuu> uhh..
[11:31] <bob2> MaTt|aS: umask=002 in the options field in fstab
[11:31] <Hajuu> well its running on mode 7 right now
[11:31] <Hajuu> apparently
[11:31] <Hajuu> heh
[11:31] <hondje> Turn it to 11!!
[11:31] <MaTt|aS> okej, thanx :)
[11:31] <Hajuu> though it refuses to go to 8
[11:32] <hondje> Hajuu: hdparm -I /dev/dvd will show you what settings, and other useful info
[11:32] <Hajuu> DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 *udma2
[11:32] <bob2> punkass: if so, that is mostwould be your problem
[11:32] <Hajuu> I think if I set the mode higher.. it just goes as fast as it can
[11:32] <bigfoot> oh, when I try to run another .avi file with TOtem, it says "Error: An error occured. The audio device is busy. Is another application using it?" What's going on? I don't have any other mediaplaying programs open. IS this a bug with Totem?
[11:33] <bob2> bigfoot: no
[11:33] <bob2> just don't use totem
[11:33] <Hajuu> yeah totem seems pretty dodge
[11:33] <Hajuu> use VLC and ya cant go wrong
[11:33] <Hajuu> :D
[11:33] <hondje> Really? I like totem for a frontend
[11:33] <megabit> hondje, Hi I see you and hajuu speaking about CD-rom can you help me?
[11:33] <hondje> megabit: Sure
[11:34] <bigfoot> bob2. thank you for your answer. So you said that this isn't a bug, but you recommend i don't use totem. I'm not sure I understand.
[11:34] <Micksa> why is this vlc everyone keeps talking about
[11:34] <Micksa> oh good, another media player
[11:34] <Micksa> just what we need
[11:34] <hondje> Micksa: it's just another media player
[11:34] <bob2> bigfoot: just don't use it
[11:34] <bob2> bigfoot: or you'll be here asking for help every day
[11:34] <Micksa> pretty soon there'll be as many media players as irc clients
[11:34] <Micksa> they all use the same codec libs right?
[11:34] <hondje> Pretty much
[11:34] <Hajuu> Micksa:  Its not just any media player.. its the best written MP3 player ive ever had the pleasure of using
[11:34] <bob2> mostly
[11:35] <hondje> some use gstreamer, etc
[11:35] <punkass> bob2: sorry was checkin out the bug reports
[11:35] <bigfoot> okay, bob2. You know what though. I think totem works fine with other avi files though.
[11:35] <Micksa> Hajuu: mpg123 works fine as an mp3 player for me 8)
[11:35] <bob2> punkass: you're using the backports repository?
[11:35] <hondje> Micksa: hehe
[11:35] <bob2> bigfoot: yes, it has nothing to do with what files you're playing
[11:35] <punkass> i am not
[11:35] <punkass> ii  libc6          2.3.5-0ubuntu3 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone
[11:36] <Hajuu> Micksa:  but for anything else.. I like VLC because you can give it nearly anyfile and it will play it.. because its all self-contanted and doesnt rely so heavilly on outside software
[11:36] <punkass> bob2: i just have plain old ubuntu reps
[11:36] <hondje> Hajuu: How's that different from Xine?
[11:36] <bob2> punkass: can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood?
[11:36] <Hajuu> I haven't used Xine..
[11:36] <Hajuu> But does xine have all its own selfcontained codecs?
[11:36] <MaTt|aS> /dev/hdb1       /windows/c      ntfs    umask=002       0       0
[11:36] <MaTt|aS>   | Is that right?
[11:37] <Hajuu> like.. built into its executable?
[11:37] <bob2> MaTt|aS: yes
[11:37] <punkass> sure i just added backports cuz this was the last message under the bug list:
[11:37] <bob2> Hajuu: no
[11:37] <punkass> Backport of ldd fix for initrd-tools
[11:37] <punkass> This patch fixes the initrd-tools in hoary (and probably warty) to cope with
[11:37] <punkass> the changes to ldd in breezy.
[11:37] <sugoruyo> hi folks
[11:37] <megabit> hondje: I inser music Cd than run cd player and it say driver error.
[11:37] <hondje> Hajuu: No, xine uses the win32 codecs, mostly
[11:37] <trixsey> Guys! Whats the best DC++ client for Linux(Ubuntu)
[11:37] <bigfoot> bob2, thanks to your help, i can play a particular avi file with mplayer, and with fullscreen when I run "mplayer -zoom -fs -vo x11 foo.avi." but the audio and video are not exactly synchronzied. I try using the + and - keys on the numeric keypad to fix it up, but regardless, it's not syncing. any comments?
[11:37] <trixsey> Guys! Whats the best DC++ client for Linux(Ubuntu)
[11:37] <MaTt|aS> okej, thanx for everything :) bye!
[11:37] <Hajuu> well there you go :)
[11:37] <bob2> punkass: you won't have the problem unless you're using broken breezy or backports
[11:37] <hondje> megabit: query me the error mesg
[11:37] <bob2> bigfoot: -autosync 30
[11:37] <sugoruyo> can someone tell me if it's possible to get kde 3.4 in ubuntu?
[11:37] <hondje> Hajuu: hehe, good point
[11:38] <Micksa> my god... this text I'm reading is about 1mm high
[11:38] <Fikrann> backports are extremely broken .. gcc in it is completely non-functional
[11:38] <hondje> sugoruyo: sure, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop if you want to be lazy :)
[11:38] <Micksa> (1.5mm line spacing)
[11:38] <bigfoot> bob2, so 30 is the special number with mplayer, is it?
[11:38] <hondje> Fikrann: hehe, poor jdong
[11:38] <sugoruyo> i have installed ubuntu from dvd
[11:38] <Hajuu> ok so uhm
[11:38] <sugoruyo> i also have kubuntu on dvd
[11:38] <Hajuu> where do I put that dma setting to make it perminent again?
[11:38] <hondje> He really gives it a lot of effort....the first I heard of ubuntu was from him spamming another forum :)
[11:39] <bob2> bigfoot: yes
[11:39] <sugoruyo> is it possible to get those file from there?
[11:39] <Fikrann> Micksa: you'll soon feel the eyestrain.
[11:39] <hondje> Hajuu: /etc/hdparm.conf
[11:39] <Micksa> I sure hope not :)
[11:39] <hondje> Hajuu: If you want, I can query you how to put that in
[11:39] <Micksa> I mean, I wouldn't use this if it took effort to read
[11:39] <Micksa> if it ever does it means it's time for me to crash 8)
[11:39] <Fikrann> hondje: what did you mean?
[11:39] <punkass> bob2: ok they are in flood
[11:39] <trixsey> Guys! Whats the best DC++ client for Linux(Ubuntu)?
[11:39] <bob2> trixsey: asking once is plenty
[11:39] <Hajuu> sure, thanks hondje
[11:39] <trixsey> Replying once is plenty too :)
[11:40] <hondje> Fikrann: jdong puts out a lot of effort in his backports
[11:40] <megabit> hondje, I dont understand.
[11:40] <sugoruyo> hondje, can i get the files from kubuntu or ubuntu dvd?
[11:40] <hondje> sugoruyo: I'd imagine so, if you have the cd in your sources.list
[11:40] <bob2> Fikrann: also the staging backports made systems unbootable
[11:40] <bob2> punkass: how on earth did you get libc6 2.3.5 then?
[11:40] <sugoruyo> how do i do that
[11:40] <hondje> He really tries, though the quality isn't that great :-/
[11:40] <sugoruyo> i mean ubuntu dvd
[11:41] <sugoruyo> is on the sources list
[11:41] <Fikrann> bob2: IMO backports are more broken than breezy is.
[11:41] <sugoruyo> but kubuntu of course is not
[11:41] <sugoruyo> can i add it?
[11:41] <bob2> punkass: you used to use breezy or the backports?
[11:41] <punkass> no i didnt
[11:41] <bob2> punkass: someone with root on your system did
[11:41] <punkass> i am the only one
[11:41] <bob2> well
[11:41] <bob2> "someone" installed libc6 2.3.5
[11:41] <hondje> sugoruyo: Are you pretty knowledgeable about apt-get?
[11:41] <punkass> i have heard all the chaos with breezy right now so i havent updated
[11:41] <Fikrann> sugoruyo: Why don't you pull your packages off the net?
[11:42] <punkass> all i did was run apt-get update today and reboot
[11:42] <sugoruyo> i've no idea of apt get
[11:42] <hondje> sugoruyo: okay, and you don't want to download the packages again?
[11:42] <sugoruyo> + those packages are pretty big
[11:42] <bob2> punkass: I don't know what to tell you...libc6 2.3.5 is not and never has been in hoary.  someone got it from breezy or backports and installed it on your machine.
[11:43] <punkass> It seems so far with the people I've spoken to that somehow they got a
[11:43] <punkass> newer copy of glibc on their Hoary systems.
[11:43] <sugoruyo> i was wondering if they are on kubuntu/ubuntu dvd why should i dl them...
[11:43] <sugoruyo> if i already have them?
[11:43] <bigfoot> bob2, i'm sorry to say that it's still not synchronizing. The sound is still a little bit ahead of the visual. (to describe a scene, it's like hearing a bang, before seeing  trigger of a gun being pulled).
[11:43] <punkass> that is from the bug list
[11:43] <hondje> You don't have to...I dunno the syntax for adding your CD to /etc/apt/sources.list though
[11:43] <sugoruyo> unless i can't install them from there
[11:43] <punkass> hmm wierd
[11:43] <megabit> hondje: I dont understand your question. (what do you whant "-)
[11:43] <bob2> bigfoot: ok, no idea then
[11:43] <trixsey> Guys! Whats the best DC++ client for Linux(Ubuntu)
[11:43] <hondje> megabit: /query hondje, then in the new window cut and paste the error message to me
[11:43] <bob2> trixsey: please stop it
[11:44] <shinu> anyone using rar here? im trying to find "rar x"'s equivalent to unzip -d.
[11:44] <bob2> trixsey: just use dcqtui
[11:44] <bigfoot> bob2 would changing from 30 to a bit higher number fix it?
[11:44] <bob2> bigfoot: I don't know
[11:44] <bigfoot> okay.
[11:44] <aLeSD> someone know a GUI for Latex that works without Qt? (not Lyx)
[11:44] <bigfoot> i'll experiment.
[11:44] <Fikrann> sugoruyo: run sudo apt-setup in a terminal emulator
[11:44] <ompaul> when I pause a file I am playing on totem (2005 osbc lawrence lessig mpg) and I try to restart it the app tells me that the sound device is already in use
[11:44] <hondje> aLeSD: I use Kile, but that's Qt
[11:44] <ompaul> any ideas?
[11:45] <n00dle> Hi there. Trying to install ubuntu. It gets through everything but complains that it can't find a cdrom drive. This is ironic because i booted off the cd. I also switched to a shell and went cd /cdrom and it shows files on the cd perfectly. this is a laptop. any ideas how i can continue installation? even after loading choose-mirror and setting it up, ubuntu budges with more errors about bad mirrors.
[11:45] <punkass> bob2: damn you are right...i havent boot into ubuntu on the machine in awhile, but i did use breezy for one update of a swfplayer package
[11:45] <sugoruyo> can't i add the cd using synaptic?
[11:45] <aLeSD> hondje: yes. I know
[11:45] <signius> there is a version of rar for linux on there website isnt there ?
[11:45] <punkass> i guess i hadnt rebooted in awhile
[11:45] <ompaul> sugoruyo, you can
[11:45] <bob2> signius: it's in ubuntu, too
[11:45] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> [amsg]  go a la plage (sea sex and sun)
[11:45] <Fikrann> ompaul: switch to totem-xine
[11:45] <signius> ah ok
[11:45] <ompaul> Fikrann, thanks
[11:45] <hondje> signius: there's unrar-nonfree, that's what I use
[11:45] <bob2> ToutPT|ppc|fr: ?
[11:46] <signius> ok ok i submit no bashing me on the head :-p LOL
[11:46] <sugoruyo> so i guess i can also pull some progs off the kubuntu dvd right?
[11:46] <hondje> aLeSD: If you find one, please please PLEASE let me know, I'd love to use something in gnome besides vim :)
[11:46] <n00dle> I can't see how ubuntu would complain about not finding a cdrom drive way after it's reading files off it.
[11:46] <Fikrann> hondje: what you need?
[11:47] <hondje> Fikrann: A GTK latex editor, like kile
[11:47] <hondje> But non-qt
[11:47] <megabit> hondje: in cd player only drive erorr. Or you want what write a console?
[11:47] <Fikrann> hondje: try lyx
[11:47] <bigfoot> anyone using grome terminal, for View-->FullScreen, what do you have as the keyboard shortcut? thank you.
[11:48] <hondje> bigfoot: I don't have one
[11:48] <signius> wow the chat has slowed down in here since last night the screen was scrolling at a million miles an hour at one point last night when i first logged in here
[11:48] <aLeSD> hondje: I installed it ... but I don't remember the name. It is a 0.3 version... but I lost the name
[11:48] <aLeSD> :
[11:48] <hondje> :(
[11:48] <bigfoot> So GnomeTerminal's view-->fullscreen does not have  a default keyboard shortcut?
[11:49] <Fikrann> bigfoot: I think so.
[11:49] <n00dle> it'd be appreciative if someone might be able to assist me with this issue, otherwise in about a half an hour i'll probably install another distribution, as ironically one of the only distributions boasting a dedicated laptop support team, doesnt suport my laptop, heh.
[11:49] <_Church_of_Foamy> anyone ever used reactos?
[11:50] <bigfoot> Coz i had U as the keyboard shortcut, and  i don't remember if it was me who added that, or whether it was the default setting.
[11:50] <bob2> n00dle: try asking on the user list
[11:50] <n00dle> user list?
[11:50] <ompaul> Fikrann, totem-xine is already the newest version :: bash: totem-xine: command not found
[11:50] <n00dle> I though that's what this channel was for.
[11:50] <ompaul> Fikrann, any ideas?
[11:50] <bob2> n00dle: http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[11:50] <hondje> ompaul: just totem runs it
[11:50] <bob2> n00dle: dpkg -L totem-xine | grep bin
[11:50] <ompaul> hondje, thanks
[11:50] <bob2> er, ompaul
[11:50] <bob2> n00dle: this is just an IRC channel, you're more likely to find help on the list
[11:50] <ompaul> yes bob2
[11:50] <Fikrann> n00dle: it would help if we knew what the problem is.
[11:51] <bob2> Fikrann: scroll up
 Hi there. Trying to install ubuntu. It gets through everything but complains that it can't find a cdrom drive. This is ironic because i booted off the cd. I also switched to a shell and went cd /cdrom and it shows files on the cd perfectly. this is a laptop. any ideas how i can continue installation? even after loading choose-mirror and setting it up, ubuntu budges with more errors about bad mirrors.
[11:51] <ompaul> hondje, Fikrann bob2  its back :)
[11:52] <hondje> that's odd, n00dle
[11:52] <n00dle> Okay, and now the installation has basically crashed.
[11:52] <megabit> hodgman,  gnome-cd
[11:52] <megabit> ** (gnome-cd:9998): WARNING **: Error opening CD
[11:52] <Fikrann> n00dle: is your cd drive in some hotswap bay?
[11:52] <n00dle> Sorta.
[11:52] <Fikrann> n00dle: sorta?
[11:52] <n00dle> I assume it can be removed, to be replaced and whatnot
[11:52] <n00dle> but i've never taken it out.
[11:52] <n00dle> I dont think it's 'hotswap', maybe lukewarm-swap or coldswap.
[11:53] <MaTt|aS> Hello again :) I hade a question, i run a AMD Athlon 64+ wich ATI driver shuld i use? the x86 or x86_64? And shuld i use XFree86 or X.Org ?
[11:53] <Glucose> hello
[11:53] <Fikrann> n00dle: state your laptop model and make.
[11:53] <n00dle> it requires screws to be removed to change the drive.
[11:53] <n00dle> It is an ITC ultraport 1690 i believe.
[11:53] <bob2> MaTt|aS: which ubuntu architecture did you install?
[11:53] <bob2> MaTt|aS: ie don't mess with it, just use whatever drivers are packaged in hoary
[11:54] <Fikrann> n00dle: iy you need to open your laptop to replace it, it's not hotswappable.
[11:54] <n00dle> Fikrann - it is also analagous to this american laptop: http://www.ecsusa.com/products/g220.html
[11:54] <MaTt|aS> I dont now, i get the cd from a friend. how can i se the architecture?
[11:54] <n00dle> same laptop, except they put an ITC ultraport badge on australian models.
[11:54] <megabit> hondje, gnome-cd ** (gnome-cd:9998): WARNING **: Error opening CD
[11:54] <punkass> bob2: thanks for your help, as you suspected it was all my fault...I installed swfplayer from breezy a week or so ago and that must have done it
[11:55] <hondje> megabit: Oh, I wouldn't know what to do then
[11:55] <punkass> bob2: i just installed initrd-tools from breezy and reinstalled the kernel and it seems fine now
[11:55] <bob2> punkass: ah, yup
[11:55] <punkass> bob2: thanks again
[11:55] <bob2> MaTt|aS:  dpkg --print-architecture
[11:55] <hondje> megabit: can you umount it in a terminal with the umount command?
[11:55] <bob2> punkass: np
[11:56] <MaTt|aS> bob2, i386
[11:56] <bigfoot> anybody gplayer users here? Does - and + keys work for you, to sychronize audio and video? It doesn't seem to work for me.
[11:56] <bob2> MaTt|aS: there you go
[11:56] <Fikrann> n00dle: this page does not state any useful information...
[11:56] <n00dle> that's because the laptops are designed to support a lot of hardwaer.
[11:57] <n00dle> hardware.
[11:57] <megabit> hondje, Yes. and after? By yesterday It played.
[11:57] <n00dle> what they list there is what they sell - you customize the rest when you buy it.
[11:57] <Fikrann> n00dle: and I think I'm typing it on a very similar machine. }:>~
[11:57] <megabit> hondje, by= but
[11:57] <n00dle> heh.
[11:57] <n00dle> the drive is a dual layer dvd-burner, 4x, and cdburner, so it's not like it's something old or somethign it shouldnt support
[11:58] <MaTt|aS> bob2, Eh, what? (: And now witch driver is it? x86/x86_64, and XFree86/X.Org?
[11:58] <bob2> MaTt|aS: why are you doing anything at all?
[11:58] <hondje> megabit: So, the audio CD goes in, but it does not play?
[11:58] <n00dle> and i mean hell im browsing the cdrom from the shell, it's just the ubuntu install that is screwed.
[11:58] <bob2> MaTt|aS: it's already in ubuntu, why not use that?
[11:58] <Xabbu852> uhm, I have a small problem. My linux partition has died. Running the Live cd now. Is there a way to save the data on the drive?
[11:59] <megabit> hondje, I can read it in konquerror but play not.
[11:59] <bob2> Xabbu852: "died" = ?
[11:59] <Fikrann> n00dle: Have you tried expert mode?
[11:59] <MaTt|aS> bob2, i can only have "1024*768" as resolution. :(
[11:59] <hondje> megabit: hrm, what are you using to play the CD?
[11:59] <liable> Xabbu852: you can acces it with the live cd?
[11:59] <hondje> oh wait, I remember something....
[11:59] <hondje> Aren't you supposed to NOT mount audio CDs to play them?
[11:59] <Fikrann> hondje: yes, you are.
[11:59] <bob2> hondje: you don't mount them, corrt
[12:00] <megabit> hodgman, kscd, gnome-cd
[12:00] <hondje> yay, that might be your problem right there megabit
[12:00] <n00dle> Fikrann - im doing that right now
[12:00] <Xabbu852> bob2, like not working. I get a exc2-fs error when booting
[12:00] <n00dle> i'll report soon on what it did
[12:00] <hondje> megabit: umount /dev/hdc (assuming hdc), then open your cd player application
[12:00] <Xabbu852> liable, I have tried but without result.
[12:01] <megabit> hondje, Can you write me some better aplication to playing cd?
[12:01] <bob2> Xabbu852: what happened to the disk?
[12:01] <teebones> Xabbu852, umount the drive.. then run a fsck on the drive
[12:01] <n00dle> aha!
[12:01] <hondje> megabit: I can't really write crap that's useful to anyone, sorry
[12:01] <Xabbu852> No idea. the computer crashed yesterday.
[12:01] <n00dle> "linux kernel modules needed to drive some of your hardware are not available yet".. it listed ide-mod, ide-detect.
[12:01] <MaTt|aS> bob2, and how do i do to change the resoultion to 1280*1024? in System=>Preferenses=>Screen Resolution, i can only chose 1204*768
[12:01] <Xabbu852> And when booting it up now thats what it said.
[12:02] <n00dle> Okay but here is the wierd thign.
[12:02] <Fikrann> n00dle: let it autoprobe all modules.
[12:02] <n00dle> using expert mode, it found the cdrom drive.
[12:02] <n00dle> using simple mode it didn't.
[12:02] <bob2> n00dle: please file a bug
[12:02] <hondje> MaTt|aS: You have to add that resolution to the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:02] <n00dle> Kay.
[12:02] <n00dle> bob2, where should i do that?
[12:03] <bob2> n00dle: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:03] <n00dle> kay
[12:03] <bob2> MaTt|aS: are you sure your hardware can do that?
[12:03] <bob2> MaTt|aS: it more or less told ubuntu that it couldn't
[12:03] <Fikrann> MaTt|aS: are you using an lcd screen?
[12:04] <megabit> hondje, Youthink if I change a cd player it will be better?
[12:04] <hondje> megabit: did unmounting it not work?
[12:05] <MaTt|aS> Fikrann, no i dont.
[12:05] <Xabbu852> teebones, when trying fsck /dev/hda1 "Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hda1"
[12:05] <nxv_> what exactly is in the  initrd files? i build kernels from kernel.org before, but didn't need those initrd
[12:05] <MaTt|aS> bob2, in windows i can use 1280*1024 so yes :)
[12:05] <n00dle> Wow, okay, this is strange.
[12:05] <Xabbu852> teebones, when trying fsck /dev/hda5 "Error 2 while executing fsck.swao for /dev/hda5"
[12:05] <bob2> nxv_: you don't unless you're packaging kernels fir distributions
[12:05] <Fikrann> MaTt|aS: bump up a bit your HorizSync and VertRefresh values.
[12:05] <MaTt|aS> bob2, and i had Suse before, and in Suse i ran it in 1280
[12:05] <n00dle> Under detect network hardware, it's got one module, the linux floppy disk module.
[12:06] <n00dle> I think i'll be filing a lot of bugs tonight.
[12:06] <MaTt|aS> Fikrann, How?
[12:06] <bob2> excellent!
[12:06] <Fikrann> n00dle: disregard that one.
[12:06] <n00dle> ok.
[12:07] <hondje> Xabbu852: on the one with the BMN, try fsck -b 16384
[12:07] <teebones> Xabbu852, you don't do fsck on a partition.. but on the drive
[12:07] <hondje> Though I'm assuming ubuntu using 2k blocks
[12:07] <benjamin23> if i want to play music cds upon instertion of disc using amarok, do i type "amarok" in the Removable drives and media command line
[12:07] <benjamin23> ?
[12:07] <megabit> hondje, I mount and umount it and it playing (: thanks
[12:07] <Fikrann> n00dle: if you don't have floppy drive the installer will be trying to add floppy module every time it can.
[12:07] <hondje> megabit: Glad to have offered my humble services
[12:08] <n00dle> Fikrann, i assume that's a bug as well, but probably already listed.
[12:08] <Xabbu852> teebones, I still get the Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open ...
[12:08] <nxv_> bob2 thx
[12:08] <Fikrann> benjamin23: afaik amaroK does not support playing audio CDs..
[12:09] <Xabbu852> hondje, Same error message as without the command.
[12:09] <teebones> Xabbu852, what command did you type?
[12:09] <Xabbu852> teebones, fsck /dev/hda
[12:09] <Xabbu852> teebones, sudo fsck /dev/hda
[12:10] <thenuke> why does this not work :(sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[12:10] <thenuke> no such package
[12:10] <thenuke> and I should have every repository
[12:10] <n00dle> linux-386, linux-image-386 or linux-image-2.6.10-5-386?
[12:10] <nukedj> Hi 4 all
[12:10] <Fikrann> Xabbu852: Now you can most probably write off data from your disk.
[12:10] <Fikrann> n00dle: 2.6.10
[12:10] <n00dle> Ok.
[12:11] <nukedj> i need help to configure my wireless card
[12:11] <jind> I have a problem getting the xrandr command to switch to more that one refresh rate. It's locked at 85Hz. Does anyboy know if this is a limitation somewhere in the xorg.conf file, or maybe in the "i810" driver?
[12:11] <hondje> thenuke: There are sun java packages in ubuntu repositories?
[12:11] <teebones> Xabbu852, is it dualboot system?
[12:11] <xskoulax> morning, i'm having problems with the gnome battery monitor not showing the battry status. anyone have any ideas
[12:11] <Xabbu852> no
[12:11] <Xabbu852> teebones, No
[12:12] <Fikrann> xskoulax: perhaps.
[12:12] <trygvebw> Hi, what's "libfmod" called in Ubuntu?
[12:12] <thenuke> hondje: wellh, according to ubuntuguide there should be
[12:12] <bob2> trygvebw: what's it do?
[12:12] <liable> nukedj: what kind of help?
[12:12] <hondje> thenuke: I think that's with some non-ubuntu repositories
[12:12] <Fikrann> trygvebw: Whatever you rename the file to.
[12:12] <raisen> hello, im stuck, cant install ubuntu onto my notebook, ASUS S1300N
[12:12] <raisen> T.T
[12:12] <trygvebw> bob2: No idea, i just have a program that needs it.
[12:13] <raisen> Live wont run either
[12:13] <thenuke> ok, it works now, I had to add those backport -repositories too
[12:13] <trygvebw> There is no "libfmod" in the package system :/
[12:13] <johnnybezak> raisen: what happens
[12:13] <raisen> stuck after ACPI: Subsystem revision 20050211
[12:13] <hondje> trygvebw: What does libfmod do?
[12:13] <bob2> trygvebw: doesn't appear to be in ubunt
[12:13] <trygvebw> hondje: I have no idea, i just have a program that requires it..
[12:13] <thenuke> whoa.. sun-j2re eats up 85megs!
[12:13] <trygvebw> bob2: :/
[12:13] <thenuke> a bit harsh for an java support
[12:14] <hondje> 85? Where do you get that from, thenuke ?
[12:14] <teebones> Xabbu852, what is the complete error?
[12:14] <nukedj> i need help to configure a wireless card in ubuntu for amd64
[12:14] <Fikrann> raisen: try firing up your installation with -noacpi param at boot
[12:14] <Hajuu> be back later
[12:14] <raisen> kayz
[12:14] <nukedj> hi again :)
[12:14] <liable> nukedj: so, whats the card?
[12:14] <nukedj> broadcom wireless card
[12:15] <BleSS> I need help for finishing a tool for configure X, could run this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/XDTR6W46.nln.html (result to priv. mess.) thx
[12:15] <xskoulax> ok Fikrann, i'm running a sony vaio pcg-fxa53 if that helps
[12:15] <Xabbu852> teebones, read pm
[12:15] <nukedj> wait a minute for the model
[12:15] <Demian__> hello
[12:15] <Demian__> I want to open a .bin file
[12:15] <raisen> how do i boot wiht paramter?
[12:15] <xskoulax> nukedj, broadcom don't have support iirc
[12:15] <bob2> BleSS: er, what's wrong with the x configuration tools in ubuntu?
[12:15] <Demian__> Like with a .cue file
[12:15] <nukedj> Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)
[12:15] <Demian__> anyone know how to do that?
[12:15] <bob2> Demian__: use bchunk to convert it to a useful format
[12:15] <thenuke> hondje: apt-get said that to me :I "after unpacking 85megs.. blablaa"
[12:15] <xskoulax> big problem with apple machines that have those broadcom wireless cards
[12:16] <hondje> oh, I thought you meant memory, thenuke
[12:16] <nukedj> so whats iirc?
[12:16] <hondje> though I suppose hdd space is technically memory
[12:16] <Demian__> bob2, thnx
[12:16] <xskoulax> if i recall correctly
[12:16] <bob2> hondje: no
[12:16] <BleSS> bob2, this will be better, search fonts directory, detect all graphic cards and its module, get info. from monitor, etc
[12:16] <hondje> bob2: You sure? It's not volitile, but it memorizes stuff
[12:16] <raisen> how do i boot install with -noacpi parameter?
[12:17] <bob2> BleSS: be better?  ubuntu's thing does all that.
[12:17] <bob2> hondje: I can think of no useful definition where "hard disk" = "ram"
[12:17] <nukedj> I've found this drivers "64-bit_Broadcom_54g_Drivers.zip"
[12:17] <BleSS> bob2, then you have to test this tool
[12:17] <bob2> raisen: just go into the grub boot menu during boot
[12:17] <hondje> Not ram, memory...though calling it memory is also kinda pointless and pedantic
[12:17] <bob2> BleSS: why is it useful?
[12:17] <raisen> grub boot menu...
[12:17] <raisen> the first screen i see?
[12:17] <nukedj> but they weren't compiled for 64bit
[12:18] <raisen> i currently see boot:
[12:18] <raisen> "boot:"
[12:18] <raisen> what do i type? to boot without acpi
[12:18] <Fikrann> raisen: press F2
[12:18] <n00dle> Fikrann - perhaps it is not a bug.
[12:19] <Fikrann> n00dle: wha?
[12:19] <raisen> prerequisites for installing ubuntu
[12:19] <n00dle> i burnt the ISO from a mirror site - i just got an error during apt installation, informign me that the 'cd in the drive is a non-ubuntu cd'
[12:19] <raisen> mm
[12:20] <raisen> (Fikrann): F2 shows me this help thing
[12:20] <Fikrann> n00dle: it does that every time, I'm quite certain it was reported already
[12:20] <n00dle> ok
[12:20] <raisen> ohh did i manage
[12:20] <raisen> XD
[12:20] <n00dle> now it won't even let me go back to apt setup, it just does somethign quickly and flicks past.
[12:20] <jind> xrandr - which xorg module is controlling it?
[12:20] <raisen> linux acpi=off
[12:20] <raisen> woooo
[12:21] <Fikrann> Ahh .. My memory must be getting rusty
[12:22] <raisen> installing onto a notebook
[12:22] <raisen> nyah nyah nyah
[12:22] <bob2> n00dle: are yo usure the cd burnt correctly?
[12:22] <Fikrann> Time for me to sign off.
[12:23] <n00dle> bob2 - it didn't error.
[12:23] <n00dle> anyhow even though it's gone all glitchy, i got to finish install.
[12:23] <bob2> n00dle: I mean, "you did check the md5sum, right?"
[12:23] <n00dle> it's unpacking stuff now.
[12:23] <n00dle> well, no.
[12:23] <hondje> hrm, that libfmod isn't Free, no wonder I couldn't find it in the repos
[12:24] <brrrt> hello all, i am looking for the name of the application, it shows the space used in folders, it is similar to xcruise, but not 3d
[12:24] <bob2> ow, that's kinda obnoxious
[12:24] <brrrt> any ideas?
[12:26] <hondje> oh man, I haven't thought of xcruise in forever .... in KDE there's a button in konq that lays everything out fairly well to show space
[12:26] <trixsey> bob2! Valknut wont work for me, says it cant load all icons... then it runs... so I can see the actual gui.. but it buggs out pretty quick
[12:26] <trixsey> :(
[12:26] <raisen> ok deleting my whole hdd...
[12:26] <raisen> the big step into linu
[12:26] <raisen> x
[12:27] <hondje> raisen: Awesome :)
[12:27] <raisen> i just have to tell my dad too bad u cant borrow my notebook for work anymroe
[12:27] <hondje> hehe
[12:27] <trixsey> Can any h4x0rian help me? :o(
[12:27] <bob2> trixsey: dcqt or whatever it's called
[12:28] <raisen> my touch pad should work yea?
[12:28] <trixsey> bob2, new dcqt is called Valknut
[12:28] <hondje> It always impresses me when people do something like switch totally over to a new OS....I only switched to Linux because windows wouldn't install for me, but it worked so well I stuck with it...though I probably wouldn't have if I had a choice at first :)
[12:28] <trixsey> And it aint working as it should.. it says I should change datapath
[12:28] <bob2> trixsey: ouch
[12:28] <njs12345> hondje: some people are curious by nature ;)
[12:28] <hondje> I'm paranoid by nature, I even keep real backups :o
[12:29] <raisen> i had redhat once
[12:29] <raisen> but x wouldnt even laod
[12:29] <raisen> lol
[12:29] <raisen> i was radther
[12:29] <hondje> ouch
[12:29] <xskoulax> lol hondje
[12:29] <brrrt> the program which name i cant remember showed the content of the folders as rectangles where the size was representing the amount of used space
[12:29] <raisen> owned by that time
[12:29] <brrrt> this is pretty useful
[12:29] <hondje> my first distro was mandrake 7.2, bought the power pack at walmart for $70 :)
[12:29] <brrrt> it also lets you browse your hd this way
[12:30] <xskoulax> anyone running a vaio fxa53 laptop here?
[12:30] <hondje> brrrt: Never saw one like that
[12:30] <hondje> I played with the jurassic park one, it made dirs as towers based on size
[12:30] <raisen> the thing is
[12:30] <raisen> my notebook crashes on windows xp home
[12:30] <raisen> and xp pro
[12:30] <raisen> 2k3 = less but still crashes
[12:30] <raisen> blue screener :D
[12:30] <hondje> hehe
[12:30] <raisen> so i thoguht to myself
[12:30] <raisen> linux
[12:30] <xskoulax> thats cause its windows
[12:30] <raisen> finally
[12:31] <raisen> lol
[12:31] <hondje> We had one at work that did that, they gave it to me since linux ran on it fine
[12:31] <trixsey> my xp also used to crash
[12:31] <raisen> the notebook was bundled with xp home
[12:31] <trixsey> I swaped to linux and it crashes too
[12:31] <trixsey> I've lost faith in the OSs, I'm afraid :p
[12:31] <raisen> ironic
[12:31] <hondje> yeah, I want a magical OS
[12:31] <trixsey> Now I'm on ubuntu, too lazy to do shit
[12:31] <raisen> how the bundled OS doesnt work properly
[12:31] <raisen> lol
[12:31] <xskoulax> xp pro really isn't too bad, but i just don't trust microsoft
[12:31] <nukedj> i've found this one to solve my problem
[12:31] <hondje> OS X is pretty nice, but rubs me the wrong way
[12:31] <nukedj> On a Compaq Presario R3000Z, running in 64 bit mode, drivers won't always work if you have more than 1GB RAM. It seems to be a problem on the Broadcom driver or hardware. A bad workaround is to boot adding mem=1024M as a boot parameter (being able to use only 1G)
[12:31] <nukedj>     * Card: Broadcom? BCM94306MP built-in HP Pavilion ze4560us laptop
[12:31] <nukedj>       Chipset: Broadcom 94306
[12:31] <nukedj>       pciid: 14e4:4320 (rev 02)
[12:31] <nukedj>       Driver: Use driver for Dell Truemobile 1300
[12:31] <trixsey> xskoulax, yeah I know
[12:31] <nukedj> could it work...?
[12:32] <hondje> XP and 2k changed too much, and I don't use them enough, it seems akward and foreign to me....thank god I'm not a IT guy
[12:32] <raisen> im remaining on windows on my desktop and server
[12:32] <trixsey> What 'bout Longhorn then? :p
[12:32] <raisen> cuz of my NTFS
[12:32] <trixsey> Next time I swap OS I might try Longhorn
[12:32] <trixsey> if I dont fall in love with Linux the coming year
[12:32] <hondje> I feel bad for windows users waiting for longhorn
[12:33] <hondje> They've been waiting longer than I have for sarge to go stable
[12:33] <trixsey> I want to try it out anyway
[12:33] <xskoulax> i'm planning to have cured my gaming problem by the time longhorn ships
[12:33] <trixsey> Its not something im longing for tho
[12:33] <xskoulax> so i shouldn't need it
[12:33] <trixsey> I'll stick around with ubuntu for a good while now
[12:33] <hondje> xskoulax: Lots of games work in linux :)
[12:33] <ompaul> hondje, I feel sorry for them that they feel the need to inject that stuff onto their hard drive
[12:33] <xskoulax> i know
[12:33] <hondje> well, if it works for them
[12:33] <xskoulax> but i like my sports titles
[12:34] <hondje> I would say that if you're unproductive in one OS that is technologically superior, and productive in another that sucks, you'd be better served with the crappy one.... cost/benefit
[12:34] <njs12345> xskoulax: all you need is Tetris ;)
[12:34] <Fanskapet> hmm anyone know if that CUBE engine game can be compiled against 64bit ubuntu ??
[12:34] <raisen> im not gaming anymore
[12:34] <hondje> xskoulax: hehe, yeah, not many linux geeks making sports games ;-)
[12:34] <raisen> thats what i concluded
[12:34] <BleSS> I need help for finishing a tool, could run this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/XDTR6W46.nln.html (private mess.) thx
[12:34] <raisen> i have my PS2 and PSP
[12:34] <xskoulax> i was thinking i might have to invest in a console
[12:34] <hondje> I have a gamecube, my daughter loves paper mario :)
[12:35] <ompaul> hondje, that is true, however the statement, a bad worker blames their tools
[12:35] <raisen> PC Games these days are just blargh
[12:35] <ompaul> hondje, came to mind
[12:35] <raisen> hardware hungry
[12:35] <raisen> i cant keep up
[12:35] <raisen> Memory Usage: (Usage: 1288/2047MB (62.92%))  (|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||-------------------)
[12:35] <raisen> CPU Info: (2 CPU's - Intel Pentium IV, 2.39 GHz, L1: 8KB L2: 512KB (9% Load))
[12:35] <hondje> hehe
[12:35] <johnnybezak> is there a master system emulator for ubuntu
[12:35] <raisen> the ram is enough
[12:35] <hondje> I love using linux, if not just for ssh
[12:35] <raisen> but my cpu is a bit tardy
[12:35] <xskoulax> but i've always played games on pc since i was 8-9 years old
[12:35] <raisen> 4 sticks of 512
[12:35] <raisen> for my photoshopping
[12:36] <ompaul> raisen, that is what gimp is for
[12:36] <raisen> well
[12:36] <raisen> all the drives are NTFS
[12:36] <raisen> i have 8 harddrives in NTFS
[12:36] <raisen> its gonna be hard for me to jsut swap
[12:36] <raisen> =p
[12:36] <raisen> my desktosp
[12:36] <raisen> atleast
[12:36] <xskoulax> i dunno dual 2,4ghz can't be all bad
[12:36] <hondje> 8 hdds? Ouch
[12:36] <raisen> its 2.4C HT Technology
[12:36] <raisen> lol
[12:37] <xskoulax> ohhh ok
[12:37] <raisen> 2 here 6 in server
[12:37] <hondje> I get overwhelmed with 2 :)
[12:37] <hondje> ah
[12:37] <raisen> hdds
[12:37] <xskoulax> so its 1 cpu just faking it
[12:37] <raisen> my file server off right now cuz i need to replace hdds
[12:37] <raisen> 2 are dying
[12:37] <raisen> lol
[12:37] <raisen> ibm deathstars
[12:37] <xskoulax> hah
[12:38] <raisen> scary how all my IBMs are ending up in the bin
[12:38] <raisen> lol
[12:38] <martymart> Hello all.
[12:38] <raisen> zomg first step
[12:38] <raisen> booting into linux
[12:38] <raisen> XD
[12:38] <ompaul> raisen, it is a tax on your resources that you are willing to pay, a bit like a smoker in the EU continuing to smoke given the taxes, if you don't like taxes don't smoke :)
[12:38] <hondje> raisen: You can get a refund for the deathstars now
[12:38] <raisen> oh?
[12:38] <raisen> even if its like
[12:38] <raisen> a few years old
[12:38] <raisen> lol
[12:38] <hondje> I saw it on /. a couple weeks back
[12:38] <raisen> 1 80 n 1 120
[12:38] <raisen> i dont have hte warranty cards anymore
[12:38] <hondje> I think it was money, not sure though since I never had a deathstar
[12:39] <raisen> i mean if they want it back
[12:39] <raisen> sure
[12:39] <raisen> lol
[12:39] <raisen> i dont mind
[12:39] <raisen> extra cash
[12:39] <hondje> hehe
[12:39] <hondje> what irks me is that I saw on /. today that palm is going to fix/replace m100 - m125
[12:39] <hondje> But not my damn m130 :(
[12:39] <raisen> HP should replace my HP2105
[12:40] <raisen> the friggen side palstics are coming off again
[12:40] <raisen> after replacing it once
[12:40] <raisen> and theyre not letting us go into Windows Pcoket 2003 SE
[12:40] <raisen> and over
[12:40] <raisen> sucks
[12:41] <xskoulax> damn that hurt
[12:41] <hondje> I got a toshiba pocketpc, kicks ass
[12:41] <raisen> im planning on getting a blueberry
[12:41] <Demian__> can anyone help me with bchunk
[12:41] <raisen> wait
[12:41] <xskoulax> just tipped my head back in frustration
[12:41] <Demian__> ?
[12:41] <raisen> blackberry
[12:41] <raisen> lol
[12:41] <raisen> blackberry phone
[12:41] <xskoulax> and smacked it on wall
[12:41] <raisen> it works well
[12:42] <raisen> instead of bringin my pocket pc everywhere
[12:42] <raisen> i can integrate it into a phone
[12:42] <raisen> how nice
[12:42] <raisen> without an expensive price tag
[12:42] <raisen> *cough* O2 *cough*
[12:42] <Fanskapet> fanskapet@ferrari-racer:~$ cube
[12:42] <Fanskapet> Your processor does not have a supported Cube client.
[12:42] <Fanskapet> agh..
[12:42] <hondje> I'd like that, but my town has crappy network
[12:43] <xxenon> is there a "non-free" section in ubuntu ?
[12:43] <raisen> hrmm why is my notebook unpacking so much stuff
[12:44] <thenuke> xxenon: yup
[12:44] <raisen> is it normal?
[12:44] <hondje> xxenon: I have restricted in my sources.list
[12:44] <raisen> lol
[12:44] <xxenon> thenuke - restricted == non-free ?
[12:44] <thenuke> xxenon: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[12:44] <hondje> is there a non-free in addition to restricted?
[12:44] <n00dle> hm, ubuntu looks good, but i think it needs more work in driver support and stuff.
[12:44] <thenuke> xxenon: i think so yes
[12:44] <raisen> setting up my libs now
[12:44] <raisen> weee
[12:44] <raisen> Lindows.....
[12:44] <n00dle> I think i'll stick to slackware for now, but good luck to you all.
[12:44] <raisen> nightmare no.2
[12:44] <xxenon> thenuke - I can't find the correct source.list entry to get "unrar-nonfree"
[12:45] <hondje> n00dle: Ever use freerock gnome in slack?
[12:45] <n00dle> hondje - no. should I?
[12:45] <n00dle> I was going to use fluxbox since it's small, uses little memory and is garbage-free.
[12:45] <hondje> It's pretty nice, easier to install than dropline
[12:45] <hondje> If you're a gnome guy, that is
[12:46] <raisen> i like KDE
[12:46] <n00dle> KDE,gnome, are both nice, but bloaty for me. i prefer to be able to customise just what i need. flux does this for me.
[12:46] <raisen> Knoppix LIVE CD was fun
[12:46] <hondje> For light stuff, I prefer XFce4
[12:46] <raisen> especially on school computers lol
[12:46] <n00dle> well, light+pretty.
[12:46] <hondje> It has come a long way, too bad CDE didn't follow their path
[12:46] <raisen> no proxy stops me
[12:46] <raisen> XD
[12:47] <BleSS> I need help for finishing a tool, could run this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/XDTR6W46.nln.html (result to private mess.) thx
[12:47] <jono> hi all
[12:47] <jono> has work started on grumpy?
[12:48] <raisen> how longs does it take ubunutu to finsih loading
[12:48] <raisen> and unpacking
[12:48] <raisen> lol
[12:48] <n00dle> it was quite quick on my laptop, when it worked, heh.
[12:48] <topyli> jono: not before breezy is finished
[12:49] <raisen> its downloading alot of things O.o
[12:49] <raisen> language packs which i dont need
[12:49] <raisen> lol
[12:49] <Demian__> help?
[12:49] <Demian__> :P
[12:49] <n00dle> raisen - i went and had a cigarette and it was done.
[12:49] <raisen> hrmm
[12:49] <n00dle> but if you're doing everything off the net it could take ages, who knows.
[12:49] <n00dle> most of it was done off the ubuntu install cd.
[12:49] <raisen> ill just do somethign else
[12:49] <raisen> prob cuz of updates recently
[12:50] <raisen> registering documentation...
[12:51] <raisen> yay gnome running
[12:51] <raisen> i think...
[12:51] <raisen> yay WIMP
[12:52] <Archite> I'm curious. Is the i845 chipset not supported by the Hoary release? I can't get past the login screen without it freezeing and the login screen show up all blury. When I do an X -configure I get a message about no output device or something like that.
[12:53] <Demian__> Archite,  Try ACPI=off
[12:53] <Archite> hmmm, okay
[12:53] <raisen> wow
[12:53] <hondje> Archite: My mobo uses the i845 chipset, no problem
[12:53] <raisen> GUI
[12:53] <raisen> im in GNOME
[12:53] <raisen> zogm
[12:53] <raisen> now to test the sound
[12:53] <raisen> lol
[12:53] <Demian__> I had problems with ACPI
[12:54] <Demian__> power controll stuff...
[12:54] <Demian__> so if you turn it of...
[12:54] <hondje> I guess I was lucky
[12:54] <Demian__> etc.
[12:54] <Demian__> :)
[12:54] <hondje> :)
[12:54] <Demian__> you's dutch hondje?
[12:54] <hondje> Ubuntu tried to stick me with vesa for the video driver, instead of i810, (and instead of nv like it should have :) )
[12:54] <hondje> Demian__: No, just a dutch nick :)
[12:55] <Demian__> why?
[12:55] <zAo^> when will the new nvidia driver be in the repros
[12:55] <zAo^> ?
[12:55] <hondje> My 'normal' nick, smitedogg, got mutated into dogg, then hond, then hondje by my evil dutch friends, but I like the name so kept it for IRC and my website
[12:56] <Demian__> :)
[12:56] <Demian__> cool
[12:56] <hondje> I spend a huge amount of time in a dutch talker, for some odd reason :)
[12:56] <Demian__> again....
[12:56] <Demian__> why??
[12:56] <raisen> ara
[12:56] <BleSS> anybody knows mailing-list about testers? i don't get any help :(
[12:56] <Demian__> :D
[12:56] <raisen> my is my sound not working
[12:57] <Demian__> raisen, try setting the souynd server off
[12:57] <hondje> Demian__: Well, I randomly came across it years ago, and the guys are really cool so I stuck around :)  though there are some belgians and .uk-ians hiding there too :)
[12:57] <jind> How can I add a 640x480@60Hz mode?
[12:57] <raisen> k
[12:57] <jind> X defaults to 85Hz, and only that. What am I doing wrong here?
[12:57] <raisen> how do i do that Demian__?
[12:57] <n00dle> Oh, i stand corrected.
[12:57] <hondje> As an added bonus, now my site is hosted in .nl, makes me feel warm at night :)
[12:57] <n00dle> Slackware also can't find my cdrom drive. must be a wierd drive.
[12:57] <Demian__> hahaha
[12:57] <Demian__> raisen, moment
[12:58] <raisen> kayz
[12:58] <ompaul> Bless I just looked at your posting, you could use bugzilla
[12:59] <BleSS> ompaul, but it's for getting info. from a little code
[12:59] <Archite> Damian__: no luck w/ the ACPI=off. It's so irritating 'cause it runs perfeclty on my laptop! hehe
[12:59] <n00dle> great, now i can't even get slack going, it has no expert mode.
[12:59] <Demian__> Dude's I'm just a newbie as well :)
[12:59] <ompaul> BleSS, I do not know what you are trying to achieve, where the error is, what the problem is
[12:59] <hondje> n00dle: Just isn't your night, man
[12:59] <n00dle> heh yah
[12:59] <Demian__> I'm just saing what worked for me :)
[01:00] <Demian__> raisen, go to system -> sound
[01:00] <raisen> k
[01:00] <Archite> blah, I guess I'll just have to go back to OpenBSD on the desktop
[01:00] <Demian__> raisen, turn off sound server at starup
[01:00] <BleSS> ompaul, i want get info. from different graphic cards for get a data base about its modules
[01:00] <hondje> n00dle: I tried the latest suse in my bosses laptop for him (he wanted to see if it was good for him yet), and it did an amazing job, perhaps you can look at that?
[01:00] <raisen> mmmm
[01:00] <xabbu> teebones, It seems to be working
[01:00] <raisen> no luck
[01:00] <teebones> ok.
[01:01] <teebones> xabbu, great
[01:01] <teebones> :)
[01:01] <xabbu> yeah
[01:01] <Demian__> Archite, if you press F2 to F7 (I think) you see more advanced options
[01:01] <teebones> xabbu, glad to help you out.. ;)
[01:02] <xabbu> teebones,  The help was great.
[01:02] <teebones> no
[01:02] <hondje> oh, my original question / reason for wasting peoples time here....anyone use mathematica in ubuntu?
[01:02] <teebones> err
[01:02] <teebones> np
[01:02] <teebones> ;)
[01:02] <xabbu> :=)
[01:02] <hondje> If so, does it have any issues that it doesn't have in sarge or sid?
[01:02] <raisen> ok how do i assign a driver
[01:02] <raisen> to my soundcard
[01:02] <raisen> it says OSS and ALSA drivers work
[01:02] <Demian__> choose alsa
[01:02] <Demian__> I was told it's best
[01:02] <Scorpinf> hi, i tried to run a game and it complains about " libstdc++.so.6 " how do i install it
[01:03] <lok> no
[01:03] <Demian__> if you right click you're volume button you can choose the source
[01:03] <lok> just leave it on esd
[01:03] <raisen> (Demian__): but how do i choose it
[01:03] <raisen> lol
[01:04] <gsa> witam
[01:04] <gsa> tak oogolnie zapytam
[01:04] <hondje> Scorpinf: Probably sudo apt-get install libstdc++6 in a terminal
[01:04] <Demian__> raisen, is you right klick the volume button
[01:04] <ompaul> BleSS, you are trying to get this info? ls -l /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:00:00.0/driver/0000:00:00.0/driver
[01:04] <Demian__> raisen, and then prefferences?
[01:04] <gsa> hello
[01:05] <hondje> hrm, apt-cache show says htat libstdc++6 is compiled with gcc4....
[01:05] <gsa> where i found orginal file SOURCES.LIST [not edited??] 
[01:06] <martymart> Hello all, I just installed Ubuntu but it does not seem to come with the neccessary codecs to play mp3s or avi files. Do any of you know how to install these and get them working?
[01:06] <BleSS> ompaul, no, that isn't but thx
[01:06] <ompaul> BleSS, k
[01:06] <raisen> i dont even have a volume button rihgt nwo
[01:06] <raisen> lol
[01:06] <ompaul> BleSS, I can say that you know more than I do :)
[01:06] <HappyFool> martymart: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats will tell you how
[01:06] <lok> raisen: have you sound ?
[01:06] <martymart> Thanks
[01:06] <raisen> noe
[01:06] <hondje> Scorpinf: try the command 'apt-cache search libstdc', there are quite a few.  You probably won't need any -dbg, -dev or -doc ones, but maybe you'll need lib64stdc++...
[01:06] <raisen> nope
[01:06] <raisen> it didnt even install my soundcard
[01:06] <raisen> lol
[01:07] <Demian__> raisen, go search for your dirvers :)
[01:07] <hondje> I lucked out, I didn't have any real ubuntu problems until wednesday, after a good month or so
[01:07] <Demian__> drivers
[01:07] <raisen> how do u install drivers?
[01:07] <HappyFool> gsa: i'm not sure. is there something specific you want to know?
[01:08] <hondje> raisen: It might already be compiled as a module. modprobe is the command to load them
[01:08] <NicP> what soundcared do u have?
[01:08] <ompaul> raisen, every line does not need to be puntuated with a laughing out loud [lol]  after all your prozac levels are your own business :))))))))) (and that gets an lol)
[01:08] <Demian__> raisen, http://ubuntuguide.org/
[01:08] <raisen> Sigmatel
[01:08] <Demian__> martymart, http://ubuntuguide.org/
[01:08] <grandpap> good morning to youall
[01:09] <Guybrush|Numb> hi
[01:09] <raisen> sorry man, ive been to used to use a lol every sentence
[01:09] <hondje> or use insmod...I think one of them is deprecated or something though :(
[01:09] <Demian__> grandpap
[01:09] <grandpap> hi Demian
[01:10] <IIIEars> Good Morning grandpap
[01:10] <ompaul> raisen no worries
[01:10] <grandpap> after lots of hair pulling I got Ubunto installed, I am bald now
[01:10] <grandpap> gm IIIEars
[01:10] <ompaul> grandpap, a solar panel for a ubuntu lover?
[01:11] <grandpap> good one ompaul
[01:11] <marjorie> Good morning ubuntites
[01:11] <IIIEars> raisen - we spot AOL users this way " :) " - NP AOL isn't so bad :x
[01:11] <grandpap> DM marjorie
[01:11] <grandpap> GM
[01:11] <ompaul> and a very good morning to you marjorie
[01:11] <marjorie> :)
[01:11] <Demian__> afternoon
[01:11] <Demian__> :)
[01:12] <nxv_> i am stuck, i can't get my self compiled kernel from kernel.org booting, it complains it cannt open root device
[01:12] <hondje> I read AOL is going to offer DSL through covad, and at a reasonable price too....that scares me, what if they become a quality service? :o
[01:12] <Demian__> how nice
[01:12] <Demian__> an orgie
[01:12] <davro> bye all
[01:12] <orgie> I'm new here, I only test a little bit :-)
[01:13] <TobiasFar> how do i install glob2....i don't understand the guide on it's website
[01:13] <marjorie> Wlan0 is now sorted, today I start on my v weird printer problem...
[01:13] <nxv_> i have compiled in ext2, ext3, devfs and piix ide driver
[01:13] <orgie> apt-get install
[01:13] <IIIEars> uhondje - They might support linux too. - nah.. - guess more coffee is needed.
[01:13] <grandpap> ole gramps is a neophyte to Linux and needs some hand holding
[01:13] <nxv_> copied bzimage and system map to boot and modified the grub menu entry
[01:13] <hondje> IIIEars: Fear! :)
[01:13] <lsuactiafner> how do i force X not to make the virtual screen bigger than the physical screen?
[01:14] <hondje> $30 a month for covad DSL isn't a bad deal at all, though getting around online with an @aol.com domain is tricky
[01:14] <grandpap> <---dislikes AOL
[01:14] <marjorie> Grandpap: How are you finding ubuntu?
[01:15] <Scorpinf> hondje: got it working i used synaptic
[01:15] <grandpap> so far I like it....but having 2 problems marjorie
[01:15] <Scorpinf> tnx
[01:15] <theD3viL> Can anyone PLEASE help me to mount cdrom (/mnt/cdrom) with win-1250 encoding?
[01:15] <hondje> Scorpinf: glad to help
[01:15] <IIIEars> hondje - they had an odd feature that quickly reclaimed ip addresses awhile ago for DSL. - their competition here is SBC $15.00 a month.
[01:15] <grandpap> love the unclutterd desktop
[01:15] <hondje> ouch
[01:15] <marjorie> grandpap: My grandson set this up for me, but i will help if i can
[01:15] <hondje> I'm screwed, I live just outside qwest providable area...the street has bad lines, and comcast knows it
[01:15] <lsuactiafner> theD3viL mount -t filesysystem /dev/cdrom /cdrom
[01:15] <hondje> So I'm paying $55 for basic internet from them
[01:16] <ChkNpIMP> for the newbs (like me)
[01:16] <grandpap> well........I cant get on  line either by wireless or by cable
[01:16] <theD3viL> lsuactiafner, filesystem - you mean win-1250 ?
[01:16] <IIIEars> hondje competition is good keep your fingers crossed.
[01:16] <hondje> Yes, I love competition, when it lowers my bills
[01:16] <ChkNpIMP> i just found a good website on how to ensure after ubuntu is installed to use apt-get for enhanced multimedia support, etc: http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt
[01:17] <xukun> hondje, $55?
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> yeh
[01:17] <hondje> There's a DSL provider in the next town, 1mb/7mb dsl for $45 :o
[01:17] <hondje> xukun: Yeah, actually more like $54.99
[01:17] <marjorie> Grandpap: Ok so you are useing a modem?
[01:17] <lsuactiafner>        The  third  field, (fs_vfstype), describes the type of the filesystem.  Linux supports lots of filesystem types, such
[01:17] <lsuactiafner>        as adfs, affs, autofs, coda, coherent, cramfs, devpts, efs, ext2, ext3, hfs, hpfs, iso9660, jfs, minix, msdos, ncpfs,
[01:17] <lsuactiafner>        nfs,  ntfs, proc, qnx4, reiserfs, romfs, smbfs, sysv, tmpfs, udf, ufs, umsdos, vfat, xenix, xfs, and possibly others.
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> dont think win-1250 exist
[01:17] <xukun> brrrrrrrr
[01:18] <lsuactiafner> sorry for huge paste
[01:18] <lsuactiafner> ummm
[01:18] <grandpap> yes marjorie
[01:18] <lsuactiafner> how do i force X not to make the virtual screen bigger than the physical screen?
[01:18] <hondje> What I need to do is move to .nl and get xs4all's adsl.....
[01:18] <IIIEars> ChkNPIMP - teach the channel bot that link this way  /msg ubotu "something good" is "my link and a comment"
[01:18] <grandpap> marjorie, right now I am on a windows desktop
[01:18] <Bramme> ChkNpIMP, ubuntuguide.com seems better to me
[01:19] <marjorie> grandpap: Doh! would you like to try and get ur wireless working?
[01:19] <IIIEars> uubuntuguide is very good.
[01:19] <grandpap> yes
[01:19] <grandpap> it is working with my windows puters, but not the ubunto one
[01:19] <hondje> I like ubuntuguide, had some things in odd (non-hondje) ways, but very quick way to get multimedia stuff running
[01:20] <IIIEars> grandpap - do you know what chip your wireless card uses?
[01:20] <ChkNpIMP>  ubotu is blocking messages from unidentified users.  You must register and identify with NickServ before talking to this user.
[01:20] <ubotu> ChkNpIMP: You are moron #1
[01:20] <ChkNpIMP> lol ;)
[01:20] <IIIEars> grandpap - you can find out this way sudo lspci
[01:20] <grandpap> no nIIEars...but it a linksys
[01:21] <grandpap> k
[01:21] <grandpap> brb
[01:21] <hondje> wifi scares me, I'm going to hold off on getting it until it works magically well in linux :(
[01:21] <Demian__> but anyways..... can anyone tell me why bchunk doesn't work with me?
[01:21] <ChkNpIMP> Bramme, thanks for the tip on ubuntguide.com ;)
[01:21] <IIIEars> I don't know what chip that uses name brand shouldn't be too difficult.
[01:21] <Demian__> http://pastebin.com/295342
[01:22] <marjorie> hondjem: Ndiswrapper makes things nice n easy imo
[01:22] <hondje> doesn't ndiswrapper use windows drivers and do some sorta translation or something?
[01:22] <marjorie> yup
[01:22] <raisen> im lost
[01:22] <hondje> that's freaky that it actually works....are windows drivers Free?
[01:22] <lsuactiafner> anyone know if marvell cards are nice for wireless nics?
[01:22] <lok> Demian__: in the command you put twice the .bin
[01:22] <marjorie> The only thing u cant do with ndiswrapper is Kismet
[01:23] <IIIEars> Bramme - Teach the channel bot. /msg ubotu or ! "something good" is "my link and a comment"
[01:23] <kbrooks> What FTP server is easy to configure?
[01:23] <HappyFool> lsuactiafner: i think it's got to do with a 'Virtual' setting under Screen/Display in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:23] <lok> it's bchunk iso.cue iso.bin iso  I think
[01:23] <hondje> kbrooks: for a few users, use sftp, for many I like vsftpd
[01:23] <HappyFool> lsuactiafner: that's re your virtual desktop size question earlier
[01:23] <grandpap> not working for me, I am missing somthing for that 1spci
[01:23] <TobiasFar> where do i get a standart /etc/atp/sorces.list file?
[01:23] <Fanskapet> hmm too bad my ndiswrapper driver won't allow me to scan :/
[01:23] <kbrooks> TobiasFar: hoary?
[01:23] <TobiasFar> yes
[01:24] <ompaul> hondje, we use is here on one of the boxes (saved a fortune on drilling holes :)) just get one of the supported ones
[01:24] <Demian__> lok, it says I have to :)
[01:24] <kbrooks> ok, lemme msg u
[01:24] <ompaul> hondje, s/is/it/
[01:24] <lsuactiafner> HappyFool : tar
[01:24] <IIIEars> grandpap - cd / <enter> lspci <enter>
[01:24] <hondje> ompaul: I'm inching towards it, but we live in an apt, so not far to cable...
[01:24] <grandpap> k
[01:24] <lok> Demian__: ?
[01:24] <ompaul> hondje, well I installed it in a desktop :)
[01:25] <hondje> It'd be nice to put the footstool servers in a closet though
[01:25] <ompaul> this box is hardwired but the other one is wireless
[01:25] <IIIEars> if you have an idea about what you are looking for lspci | grep foo
[01:25] <hondje> adding wifi to that mini mac is going to cost a bit, too....but the excuses are falling away :)
[01:25] <Demian__> lok, http://pastebin.com/295351
[01:26] <Demian__> lok, it says I have to give it all the files
[01:26] <Demian__> lok, else it doesn't work at all :(
[01:26] <grandpap> I see its not finding the card....
[01:26] <marjorie> I have a very strange printer problem : HPDJ 3845 installed via gnome cups with 3840 ppd file. Everything works fine apart from no ink comes out onto paper!
[01:26] <lok> Demian__: <image.bin> <image.cue> <basename>
[01:26] <Demian__> lok, yeah
[01:26] <Demian__> I did that
[01:26] <ompaul> marjorie, did you use the cups test program?
[01:26] <Demian__> and it said it'd written a file
[01:27] <lok> no bchunk CD_Image_File_CD1.bin CD_Image_File_CD1.bin CD_Image_File_CD1
[01:27] <Demian__> but ther was nothing afterwards
[01:27] <lok> you have put twice the .bin
[01:27] <grandpap> IIIEars...I am gonna shut down and re-seat the card
[01:27] <IIIEars> okay
[01:27] <marjorie> ompaul: Yes no errors reported, checked in /var/log/cups too
[01:27] <grandpap> bbl, on my knees..thanks
[01:27] <ompaul> out of ink?
[01:27] <kbrooks> lol
[01:28] <marjorie> No, prints fine from a windows box
[01:29] <Demian__> lok, can I bother you some more? :)
[01:29] <marjorie> Its v weird: The problem started in warty... It used to print fine but one day without warning stuff just stopped getting onto the paper
[01:29] <Demian__> lok, http://pastebin.com/295356
[01:30] <Demian__> lok, it says it has written a file
[01:30] <Demian__> lok, but there isn't any
[01:30] <marjorie> The cartridges even moove back and forth
[01:31] <ompaul> marjorie, just try to reinstall it system -> administration -> printing and see if the program picks up the printer correctly
[01:31] <knewt> are there any alternative sources for the hoary dvd?
[01:31] <lok> Demian__: it's just a print that come whatever the programe do
[01:31] <marjorie> Ompaul: I have tried, this is a brand new horay install, The printer installed without error...
[01:32] <marjorie> just like b 4
[01:32] <lok> bchunk CD_Image_File_CD1.bin CD_Image_File_CD1.cue CD_Image_File_CD1
[01:32] <ompaul> marjorie, hmmm
[01:32] <lok> use that ^
[01:32] <hondje> Demian__: run it with the -v switch, get more detailed messages
[01:32] <hondje> Or even smarter, listen to lok and /ignore hondje
[01:32] <IIIEars> marjorie - It prints using the redmond washington OS? - most HP printers use the same linux driver. - really curious about this i use HP too.
[01:32] <HappyFool> knewt: that bittorrent tracker *still* down ?
[01:32] <knewt> HappyFool: yep
[01:33] <ompaul> knewt, I had issues with one I recently obtained, used it to install desktop then I did apt-get install ubuntu-desktop that worked for me
[01:33] <marjorie> I think as far as computer is concerned its working! eg If I print a picture, the cartridges take a long time to moove over paper
[01:33] <IIIEars> marjorie - HP 3520 is fine.
[01:33] <snowseal> ;)
[01:33] <snowseal> ty
[01:33] <HappyFool> knewt: tried may search.bittorrents.com, with the dvd filename ?
[01:33] <marjorie> IIEars: Try that ppd instead?
[01:34] <hondje> You know what'd be cool? A meta-package that removes any gnome pkgs that aren't part of the std install....
[01:34] <marjorie> I have a 3845 useing the 3840 ppd file
[01:34] <Arrogant> Hey, is there any way to get more consoles on Ctrl+Alt+F#?
[01:34] <IIIEars> no idea what to try yet. let me check the hp site. - brb
[01:34] <Arrogant> Right now only 2 and 3 have consoles on them.
[01:34] <hondje> Arrogant: Yes, using getty
[01:34] <ompaul> marjorie, have you got a short pdf file on that that machine?
[01:35] <HappyFool> only 2 and 3? that sounds wrong
[01:35] <marjorie> Yes shall i give it a go?
[01:35] <ompaul> marjorie, actually try this `sudo lpq`
[01:35] <haluk> i can't seem to get any keyboard layout other than the US/ASCII layout for gnome. anyone know how to cure that problem?
[01:35] <knewt> hondje: first thing i did after originally installing warty was remove virtually all of gnome :)
[01:35] <Arrogant> 1 is the install screen, 4 5 and 6 are blank
[01:35] <hondje> haluk: system->keyboard
[01:35] <Arrogant> 7 is gnome
[01:35] <ompaul> marjorie, any jobs?
[01:35] <hondje> oh, during install
[01:35] <Arrogant> 8 9 10 11 12 are nothing at all
[01:35] <ompaul> marjorie, and more important is the printer ready?
[01:36] <haluk> hondje: that's what i am saying, there are no layouts to add there.
[01:36] <hondje> knewt: I decided to give gnome a fair try again (hadn't really used it since like 1.4), and now I like it :)
[01:36] <marjorie> Ok Mooving downstairs to printer : IIIEars: I looked into installing the HP alt driver, but couldnt use it beacuse it relies on looging in as root to a cups admin page
[01:36] <hondje> If I could get that menu editor working for me, and get automagical mounting working again, I'd be so happy
[01:36] <HappyFool> knewt: how about these (dvd torrents): http://search.bittorrent.com/search.jsp?query=ubuntu-5.04-dvd-i386.iso&Submit2=Search
[01:36] <snowseal> problem: i got my base system installed on top of a existing ubuntu install, result: many errors. i need a fresh install but want to keep my /home dir. how to proceed? rm -rf ?
[01:37] <hondje> snowseal: During the install, you can select your /home and tell the partitioner to leave it alone IF it's on its own partition
[01:37] <HappyFool> knewt: though i guess you're going to want to check the md5sum to make sure it's the same image as from ubuntulinux.org
[01:37] <knewt> hondje: i don't use kde either *g*
[01:37] <snowseal> hondje,  linux is one big partition on my hd. problem :)
[01:37] <hondje> knewt: XFce?
[01:37] <HappyFool> Arrogant: does 'screen' work in terminals 2 / 3? easy way to get multiplexed terminals
[01:38] <knewt> hondje: ion
[01:38] <lok> arg
[01:38] <hondje> snowseal: If you have an extra partition lying around, you can move /home to it, or just back it up to a cd/dvd
[01:38] <hondje> knewt: hrm, never heard of it
[01:38] <IIIEars> http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/ you probably already have this :/
[01:38] <snowseal> i already have 5 partition. i think thats about the max.
[01:38] <hondje> I think a much higher number is max, I have more than 5
[01:38] <snowseal> and the other partitions are ntfs, cant move the data to there :s
[01:39] <hondje> I'm paranoid and have /var and /tmp on their own partitions, /home, /home/work, etc
[01:39] <hondje> yeah, that'd be bad
[01:39] <HappyFool> i think 16 might be the number on ide
[01:39] <hondje> snowseal: can't backup to cd?
[01:39] <knewt> HappyFool: the torrent url reported by that search doesn't exist, and the site the url is from is in czech, so i can't exactly understand it :)
[01:39] <HappyFool> snowseal: there's a utility to read ext3 filesystems from ntfs
[01:39] <Arrogant> HappyFool: I don't know how to use screen
[01:39] <marjorie> IIIEars: I tried installing their driver, but couldnt get it to work beacuse u have to loginto cups admin page as root, which wont work in ubuntu!
[01:39] <snowseal> heh, cewl HappyFool
[01:39] <hondje> knewt: googleing has too many ions...got a link?
[01:39] <HappyFool> snowseal: so you can bootup windows, read /home (or a tarball of it) to ntfs
[01:40] <hondje> Oh, tarball would be good idea
[01:40] <snowseal> woot, thats the easyest solution i guess
[01:40] <hondje> HappyFool has thinking-cap fu
[01:40] <marjorie> ompaul: Yer printer ready with 0 jobs
[01:40] <knewt> hondje: http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/
[01:40] <HappyFool> Arrogant: it's pretty easy. Control-a c  to create a new "terminal" Control-a n to go to the "next" terminal
[01:40] <haluk> i get no additional layouts when i try to add another language layout to my keyboard layouts.[gnome]  anyone know how to fix this?
[01:40] <snowseal> oh, but i got XFS as file system LOL
[01:40] <lsuactiafner> i think 4 bootable partitions are max
[01:40] <Imel> Hai
[01:40] <HappyFool> knewt: sorry, just a guess
[01:40] <lsuactiafner> but there aint any other limits
[01:40] <HappyFool> snowseal: doh
[01:41] <snowseal> :s
[01:41] <Imel> ng
[01:41] <teebones> HappyFool, you mean Explore2fs
[01:41] <teebones> ?
[01:41] <knewt> HappyFool: oh well, i'll just have to grab the cd temporarily then :/
[01:41] <snowseal> so i'll delete as much of the system as possible, and then reinstall.
[01:41] <Arrogant> HappyFool: That's pretty awesome
[01:41] <hondje> haluk: You can't add them in system -> preferences -> keyboard?
[01:41] <lsuactiafner> to read ext2 from ntfs aint very succesfull last time i used windows.. like 4 yrs back
[01:41] <HappyFool> teebones: yeah
[01:42] <HappyFool> Arrogant: screen is super-cool ;)
[01:42] <Arrogant> How would you close the screens?
[01:42] <haluk> hondje: they add button is greyed out.
[01:42] <HappyFool> just exit the shell
[01:42] <HappyFool> 'exit' or Control-d
[01:42] <lok> lsuactiafner: now it's work fine
[01:42] <hondje> haluk: Hrm, that's not cool
[01:42] <lok> to read
[01:42] <hondje> haluk: what kind of layout do you want to add?
[01:42] <lsuactiafner> heh even windows got bettter it seems
[01:42] <HappyFool> Arrogant: oh, and Control-a ? for help
[01:42] <haluk> tr
[01:42] <lok> no it's not windows
[01:42] <HappyFool> Arrogant: probably most important combination to remember ;)
[01:42] <Arrogant> Hehe, yeah.
[01:42] <raisen> ctrl-a + ctrl-d
[01:43] <lsuactiafner> Arrogant : screen -r , screen -d , screen -r -d
[01:43] <lok> it's the ext2fs team which got better
[01:43] <lsuactiafner> and ctrl c
[01:43] <scoon> anyone here using the backports of tomboy
[01:43] <lsuactiafner> my console is savvy
[01:43] <haluk> hondje : tr. i could just do it in xorg.conf, but i want to know why it is not there in gnome.
[01:43] <lsuactiafner> what you mean beech
[01:43] <lsuactiafner> (;
[01:43] <raisen> ubunutu is owning my mind
[01:43] <raisen> i cant compile my driver
[01:43] <teebones> raisen, oh ooh ;-)
[01:43] <raisen> ~_~
[01:43] <lsuactiafner> i run console along with the gui, most of the time i'm in the gui
[01:43] <lsuactiafner> err console
[01:43] <lsuactiafner> not gui
[01:43] <lsuactiafner> gui mouse controls sucks
[01:44] <HappyFool> lsuactiafner: the fs isn't 'mounted' in windows, it's just accessible. limited but useful
[01:44] <teebones> snowseal, not to fast i hope
[01:44] <teebones> ;)
[01:44] <Arrogant> lsuactiafner: I'm on console irc right now :D
[01:44] <snowseal> but xpf is not supported on Explore2fs
[01:44] <lsuactiafner> heh version me
[01:44] <snowseal> *XFS
[01:44] <HappyFool> snowseal: yeah, sorry
[01:44] <lsuactiafner> am on a leet custum bx
[01:44] <Arrogant> HappyFool: screen is good to know because my computer is a piece of shit, and console is the only thing that runs smoothly
[01:44] <HappyFool> snowseal: i assume everyone uses ext3 ;)
[01:44] <snowseal> heh, soo bad, good thip tho
[01:44] <IIIEars> marjorie - couldn't find anything on the ubuntu wiki or ubuntuguide - :/
[01:45] <ompaul> raisen, no the situation is much better than that, you are now obtaining a free mindset that is not controlled by anything other than your imagination
[01:45] <lsuactiafner> i irc from a p166, runs irc, proxy, http, ftp, dns and firewall
[01:45] <lok> lsuactiafner: using term doesn't make you a real leet
[01:45] <HappyFool> Arrogant: screen is also very useful for ssh
[01:45] <hondje> haluk: all the keyboard layouts were in the default install for me, so I haven't a clue sir
[01:45] <lsuactiafner> lok : am in console thats 3l337 deminit
[01:45] <hondje> screen is so awesome
[01:45] <teebones> snowseal, uhm.. if you don't go mainstream.. you can end up with an incompatible fs used by tools
[01:45] <lsuactiafner> <-- leet hax0r
[01:45] <HappyFool> snowseal: you said you had other partitions ?
[01:46] <hondje> haluk: come to think of it, ubuntu even figured out I had a dual korean/english keyboard, so I got very lucky
[01:46] <marjorie>  =/
[01:46] <marjorie> Its the 'one' thing my gran cant do without
[01:46] <Arrogant> Also, another probably dumb question
[01:46] <teebones> .
[01:46] <Arrogant> How do I terminate stopped jobs?
[01:47] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, em, 31337 y4ck1n 41n'7 r34IIy g00d 31337 stuff :)
[01:47] <Arrogant> Or go back to them for that matter
[01:47] <lsuactiafner> killall -9 program
[01:47] <teebones> well if it is stopped.. ..it not running is it
[01:47] <teebones> :)
[01:47] <teebones> +is
[01:47] <Arrogant> teebones: It's in my jobs list
[01:47] <lsuactiafner> ompaul : y0ur m0m b13h
[01:47] <IIIEars> marjorie - and it works otherwise.. - doh. - would of guessed a cartridge.
[01:47] <hondje> kill -9 is messy, one should try to kill it in a nicer way first :(
[01:47] <HappyFool> Arrogant: try fg
[01:47] <HappyFool> i think the syntax is 'fg %jobnumber'
[01:47] <hondje> xkill kicks ass, for gui apps that die and won't go away
[01:47] <teebones> or kill -15
[01:47] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, not really ubuntu now is it :)
[01:47] <hondje> It's fun to click and kill :)
[01:48] <marjorie> IIIEars, I normally end up thinking that after a few hours then plug it back into winblows and get upset
[01:48] <lsuactiafner> kill -9 `ps aux | grep program_name | grep -v grep | awk '{print $2}'` ;
[01:48] <IIIEars> lol
[01:48] <HappyFool> Arrogant: fg is to 'foreground' a process, not kill it
[01:48] <lsuactiafner> ompaul : i run a slackware/ubuntu hybrid.. i'm not pure
[01:48] <hondje> lsuactiafner: use pgrep :)
[01:48] <klaym> anyone have smtm program working on Ubuntu? I can't see the graphical charts. if you've figured out how to get them back, please tell me!
[01:48] <scanwinder> does any1 have any idea how 2 go about getting a dial-up modem 2 work?........when i run kppp, set it up and try 2 dial it says it cant find the modem...........
[01:48] <hondje> kill -9 `pgrep process_name`
[01:48] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, slack was never pure :)
[01:49] <snowseal> teebones,  i thought the fs-type was transperant to the tools. but ty for the tip
[01:49] <HappyFool> scanwinder: what modem do you have?
[01:49] <lsuactiafner> hah cool
[01:49] <hondje> lsuactiafner: yes, saves typing :D pkill is great too
[01:49] <scanwinder> um its actually my grandads lol......some internal one
[01:49] <hondje> I use pkill -u not_quite_gone_user all the time
[01:49] <snowseal> HappyFool, i got a fat32 left, will write to there.
[01:49] <lsuactiafner> slackware is pure, consistant, predictable, stable, standards compatable, but not native 64bit
[01:49] <snowseal> then reformat in ext3 :s
[01:49] <teebones> snowseal, no it isn't.. every fs has its own characteristics.. and thus it must be supported by tools like explore2fs
[01:49] <teebones> if it isn't.. no luck
[01:50] <HappyFool> scanwinder: if it's a winmodem you'll probably need to install a driver for it
[01:50] <lsuactiafner> ext3 is ext2 with a journal
[01:50] <lsuactiafner> you can mount an ext3 as a ext2
[01:50] <marjorie> IIIEars: If i try the HP driver ill need some way of enableing root account, can it be done?
[01:50] <lok> lsuactiafner: ...
[01:50] <scanwinder> how do i find out if its a winmodem?
[01:50] <BleSS> I need help for finishing a tool, could run this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/XDTR6W46.nln.html (result to private mess.) thx
[01:50] <lsuactiafner> scanwinder : winmodems are internal
[01:50] <scanwinder> and where would i go 2 find a driver?
[01:50] <lsuactiafner> scanwinder : depends on modem, lucent rocks
[01:50] <lsuactiafner> anything else i dont know.
[01:50] <HappyFool> scanwinder: type 'lspci' in a terminal (Applications -> System tools -> Terminal) to try to find out what modem you have
[01:50] <hondje> scanwinder: lspci -vvv and look for chipset on it :)
[01:51] <snowseal> teebones,  only apps that read the partition on a low level will notice the fs-type..?
[01:51] <lsuactiafner> apps dont care
[01:51] <hondje> lucent is good, conextant has commercial drivers but top-notch support
[01:51] <lsuactiafner> the kernel does the fs type stuff
[01:51] <lsuactiafner> conextant=commercial drivers=unaffordable
[01:51] <ompaul> I saw something that really saddened me on Friday, plantronics offering a few free minutes of skype, and it saying that skype required that other thing that wants to be an operating system
[01:51] <scanwinder> is it easy or hard 2 install drivers in linux? (for me its always just automatically picked up everything)
[01:51] <lsuactiafner> if a driver costs $7+ i can buy a new modem for that price that works in linux
[01:52] <teebones> lsuactiafner, ehm.. true.. but.. we're talking on accessing the fs on windows...
[01:52] <HappyFool> scanwinder: it depends
[01:52] <hondje> big depends
[01:52] <lsuactiafner> i dont buy any conexant hardware, no linux support for free no my support
[01:52] <scanwinder> oh ok
[01:52] <HappyFool> scanwinder: if you have, e.g., an Intel536EP chipset, it will take a little work
[01:52] <snowseal> ack
[01:52] <lsuactiafner> bbl
[01:52] <hondje> lsuactiafner: I have an external US Robotics modem, it's the greatest
[01:53] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, get an external modem they just rock
[01:53] <scanwinder> well ill go find out what it is and will run lspci see if its picked it up
[01:53] <scanwinder> bbl
[01:53] <fabio> hello all
[01:53] <IIIEars> marjorie gksudo will work
[01:53] <ompaul> teebones, well eth0 works hard for me
[01:53] <teebones> mine too
[01:53] <hondje> I have cable, thankfully not much work to set up
[01:53] <teebones> ;)
[01:54] <ompaul> eth1 is not busy atm
[01:54] <teebones> and eth1 and eth2
[01:54] <hondje> eth0 -> router -> dhcp -> trolling
[01:54] <lsuactiafner> yeh got an external 3com
[01:54] <lsuactiafner> i think
[01:54] <lsuactiafner> not sure
[01:54] <IIIEars> marjorie check out howtos for the sudoers file - very powerful
[01:54] <lsuactiafner> i didnt bother to look
[01:54] <fabio> Guys, why all the time I start Ubuntu the resolutions goes to highest one possible with lower refresh rate and I need to change it all the time?
[01:54] <lsuactiafner> no its us robotics heh
[01:54] <lsuactiafner> ummm
[01:55] <hondje> the mini mac has a modem, if worse comes to worse I'll just connect in some wierd way to that
[01:55] <lsuactiafner> i still need to find out if marvell wireless is linux-friendly
[01:55] <chocoIate> hi, can anybody help me with this error
[01:55] <hondje> lsuactiafner: that's probably the same one I have, if it's fairly new...awesome modem
[01:55] <lsuactiafner> no this is serial v90 technology
[01:55] <fabio> chocoIate, type ur error then
[01:55] <chocoIate> i'm trying to install a driver for avm fritz and i get this error on ubuntu : http://pastebot.nd.edu/1203
[01:55] <lsuactiafner> fabio : in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:55] <hondje> oh :)
[01:56] <lsuactiafner> find a line called modes
[01:56] <lsuactiafner> you will see there are like 4 of em
[01:56] <fabio> lsuactiafner, oh cool I will try and have a look then :) thx
[01:56] <lsuactiafner> change that line to goto resolutions you like
[01:56] <chocoIate> in particular these two last lines :
[01:56] <chocoIate> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[01:56] <chocoIate> make: Entering an unknown directorymake: Leaving an unknown directorymake: *** [fcusb2.o]  Error 2
[01:56] <lsuactiafner> Modes           "1280x1024"
[01:56] <lsuactiafner> under Depth=24 i suppose
[01:56] <chocoIate> there is no directory build in there, i checked, so what should i be doing :o
[01:56] <teebones> chocoIate, install the kernel-header and source
[01:57] <chocoIate> oh, is that it :o
[01:57] <lsuactiafner> chocoIate : learn to compile your own kernel.. really, thats the best advice any newb can take
[01:57] <hondje> I never could get a good kernel going, one that worked 'just right'
[01:57] <hondje> After getting 2.6 working on RH9, I gave up on making my own kernel...I lack the linux-smartness :(
[01:57] <lsuactiafner> i compile my kernels within 3 minutes
[01:58] <fabio> lsuactiafner, it tells me comand not found, and if I open it with Gedit its a blank doc
[01:58] <lsuactiafner>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:58] <teebones> lsuactiafner, 3 minutes? what hardware?
[01:58] <teebones> ;)
[01:58] <chocoIate> thanks teebones
[01:58] <hondje> teebones: make old config :D
[01:58] <n00dle> is there any way to install ubuntu without gnome?
[01:58] <n00dle> so i can put fluxbox on or something
[01:58] <IIIEars> lsuactiafner - what is the advantage of compiling your own kernel if precompiled images are available? -just have the knowledge for when they aren't?
[01:58] <hondje> n00dle: I thnk the server install doesn't nstall gnome
[01:58] <fabio> lsuactiafner, thanks I can see it now :)
[01:58] <ompaul> n00dle, yes you can install just a server version
[01:59] <n00dle> hm
[01:59] <n00dle> ah yea
[01:59] <lsuactiafner> teebones : asus a8n deluxe, geforce 6600 256m, gig duel ddr, 3200+ 64amd
[01:59] <n00dle> okay ill try ubuntu again, since slackware is doing me in the ass.
[01:59] <hondje> IIIEars: theoretically, better performance or something
[01:59] <teebones> k.
[01:59] <lsuactiafner> IIIEars : the system is faster
[01:59] <hondje> I like having 100000 modules, in case I add something odd later on
[01:59] <ompaul> n00dle, what is the issue with gnome?
[01:59] <n00dle> there isnt one
[01:59] <n00dle> i just want fluxbox :P
[01:59] <lsuactiafner> like i compile my audio drivers into the kernel, faster better becuase i use audio 16hrs a day
[02:00] <teebones> n00dle, you ment sucksbox?
[02:00] <ompaul> n00dle, ahh well you  can install gnome and install fluxbox
[02:00] <lsuactiafner> if i need a module and i dont feel like a reboot i just compile it in quickly
[02:00] <lsuactiafner> easy
[02:00] <n00dle> any why does is sucks, teebones.
[02:00] <lsuactiafner> also, the default amd64 kernel didnt work on my system
[02:00] <lsuactiafner> it didnt see my sata disks..
[02:00] <IIIEars> lsuactiafner - found a nice tip really speeds things up set mine to 10 - google linux swappiness
[02:00] <teebones> n00dle, i'm just kidding
[02:00] <n00dle> :P
[02:00] <hondje> Well, that would be a good reason
[02:00] <hondje> I have mostly OEM hardware, default kernels run fine for me
[02:00] <lsuactiafner> so its better all round
[02:00] <lsuactiafner> i think i already set my vm
[02:01] <guptan> what is the version of pango in hoary?
[02:01] <fabio> lsuactiafner, hm hm what do I change then? Cos is set to Default 24...
[02:01] <lsuactiafner> i keep reading horny.. irc has screwed up my mind
[02:01] <IIIEars> Swappiness - "$ sudo sysctl -w vm.swappiness=10 " and do _not_ do the permanent "vm.swappiness=10 to /etc/sysctl.conf",
[02:02] <IIIEars> until you have experimented.
[02:02] <teebones> guptan, 1.8.1
[02:02] <hondje> I like swapping :(
[02:02] <hondje> If I only use something every couple days, I'd rather it be swapped when I'm not looking than when I'm doing something
[02:02] <lsuactiafner> i use sysctl -a | grep vm
[02:02] <lsuactiafner> vm.overcommit_memory = 1
[02:03] <lsuactiafner> i dont use swap @ all
[02:03] <IIIEars> uHuh - Nice tip. :)
[02:03] <guptan> oh thanks, I was confused when I saw /usr/lib/pango/1.4.0/
[02:04] <lsuactiafner> vm.swappiness = 80
[02:04] <lsuactiafner> heh
[02:04] <lsuactiafner> bit high
[02:04] <lsuactiafner> but swap is 0
[02:04] <lsuactiafner> Swap:          972          2        970
[02:04] <lsuactiafner> well 2
[02:04] <hondje> Do install docs still say swap should be 1.5x the size of your ram?
[02:04] <teebones> dunno
[02:04] <lsuactiafner> well
[02:05] <teebones> i never read them...
[02:05] <teebones> ;)
[02:05] <lsuactiafner> if your ram is over 500 you dont need a huge swap
[02:05] <hondje> 'in general' :)
[02:05] <lsuactiafner> but thing is i open firefox with 300 tabs
[02:05] <lsuactiafner> so sometimes i need a swap
[02:05] <hondje> I do too, optimize pron viewing :)
[02:05] <teebones> LMAO
[02:05] <hondje> moz is better if you go with 2000 tabs open, in my experience
[02:05] <IIIEars> lol
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> rofl
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> heh no during the week i dont have time for slashdot livescience and physorg
[02:06] <thenuke> is it possible to have grub display the menu and then boot after a few seconds?
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> so i open tabs everyday and read on weekends
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> thenuke : lilo > grub
[02:06] <hondje> no way, lilo is awful :(
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> lilo rocks
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> ok
[02:06] <hondje> though lilo's conf file is easier to edit
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> dont question me..
[02:06] <teebones> lilo is the best
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> (;
[02:06] <teebones> :)
[02:07] <anto9us> thenuke: I think that's the default behaviour, yes
[02:07] <lsuactiafner> lilo conf is easy
[02:07] <hondje> update-grub > *
[02:07] <lsuactiafner> grub always gave me problems
[02:07] <thenuke> anto9us: it is not
[02:07] <lsuactiafner> and i dont boot often, i dont want a pretty boot screen
[02:07] <IIIEars> nice vm.overcommit_memory=1
[02:07] <thenuke> anto9us: as a default grub waits a few seconds if user wants to have the menu on the screen
[02:07] <hondje> yeah, reboots are not fun
[02:07] <lsuactiafner>  14:08:04 up 7 days, 13:51, 13 users,  load average: 1.17, 1.05, 1.05
[02:07] <BleSS> I need help for finishing a tool, could run this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/XDTR6W46.nln.html (result to private mess.) thx
[02:07] <hondje> I never add my scripts to init, have to run them all by hand
[02:07] <lsuactiafner> but got a new kernel waiting to be booted
[02:07] <teebones> for pretty boot screens..-> windows
[02:08] <anto9us> thenuke: ok, I must have misunderstood
[02:08] <hondje> speaking of windows, what's the hdparm equivalent in windows?
[02:08] <lsuactiafner> i dont run my bridge setup on boot
[02:08] <lsuactiafner> hondje : windows dont have one
[02:08] <teebones> hondje, ehm...............................................................................................................................................................
[02:08] <ompaul> hondje, fdisk and install ubuntu
[02:08] <kbrooks> teebones: you know, you can have splash screens in linux
[02:08] <hondje> Nothing to fiddle with hdd settings? That sucks a ton :(
[02:08] <hondje> ompaul: The boss wouldn't like it
[02:08] <teebones> kbrooks, sure
[02:08] <hondje> He's anti-samba for some reason....vendors ate his brain
[02:09] <teebones> hondje, go fire yourself right now!
[02:09] <teebones> :)
[02:09] <teebones> working with the enemy
[02:09] <teebones> pfff
[02:09] <teebones> :S
[02:09] <lsuactiafner> you can have splash screens but i prefer not to use em
[02:09] <runedude> when you are using apt-get,  is there anyway to install alot of packages, but NOT one certain package..
[02:09] <lsuactiafner> since i want to see my bootup warnings
[02:10] <kbrooks> lol.
[02:10] <hondje> teebones: come now, they let me use linux at work, that's nice of them
[02:10] <runedude> like an exception to tel APT not to install that package
[02:10] <hondje> Lots of workplaces would get uptight about it
[02:10] <lsuactiafner> runedude : apt-get build-dep xorg
[02:10] <lsuactiafner> oh
[02:10] <teebones> hondje, ok.. ok... your right
[02:10] <teebones> :)
[02:10] <hondje> :)
[02:10] <lsuactiafner> heh
[02:10] <runedude> lsuactiafner: erm..? lol
[02:10] <hondje> I managed to convince them I was more productive in linux
[02:10] <runedude> not xorg ;)
[02:10] <lsuactiafner> runedude : i also dont want one package.. the kernel..
[02:10] <teebones> hehe
[02:10] <teebones> well i use ONLY linux at my work
[02:11] <lsuactiafner> annoying to check for upgrades and to undo kernel everytime
[02:11] <teebones> because it's part of my job
[02:11] <hondje> I never mentioned that gnuplot works in windows
[02:11] <lsuactiafner> NEW_TO_UBUNTU rofl
[02:11] <teebones> infact...my boss hates MS...
[02:11] <hondje> boss fell for my tales :)
[02:11] <lsuactiafner> NEW_TO_UBUNTU : make your nick lower case
[02:11] <hondje> I like your boss, teebones
[02:12] <runedude> i just want ot install every package except
[02:12] <NEW_TO_UBUNTU> thanks
[02:12] <runedude> E: Package glibc-i18n is a virtual package with multiple good providers.
[02:12] <hondje> teebones: Mine had me try suse out on his laptop, guess he's wanting to be leet or something :)
[02:12] <teebones> lol
[02:12] <hondje> I was amazed by the goodness of suse on a thinkpad
[02:12] <teebones> suse and leet?
[02:12] <teebones> rofl
[02:12] <lsuactiafner> i want gcc4
[02:12] <IIIEars> Welcome new_to_ubuntu :)
[02:12] <lsuactiafner> );
[02:12] <hondje> eh, the whole concept of leet is silly :)
[02:12] <lsuactiafner> but i'm too scared to upgrade
[02:13] <lsuactiafner> wb new_to_ubuntu
[02:13] <lsuactiafner>  /nick new_nick
[02:13] <lsuactiafner> would also have worked
[02:13] <hondje> lsuactiafner: wait for breezy, IIRC it's going to use gcc4
[02:13] <teebones> lsuactiafner, whoosy
[02:13] <teebones> ;)
[02:13] <hondje> Which is why it's borked, having to recompile everything C++
[02:13] <hondje> Or so I read, probably more to it than that
[02:13] <IIIEars> new_to_ubuntu " /nick new_to_ubuntu " will change your name
[02:14] <lsuactiafner> gcc4 is like 30% faster i hear
[02:14] <fabio> guys, what do I need to change in X11/xorg.conf so I can use a lower resolution at default?
[02:14] <teebones> e.g. /nick master_of_ubuntu
[02:14] <lsuactiafner> so i want someone to compile xorg and firefox in it
[02:14] <teebones> ;-)
[02:14] <lsuactiafner> fabio : look for lines starting with Modes
[02:14] <hondje> lsuactiafner: I heard good stuff too, plus Tiger got compiled w/ gcc4, that says good things to me
[02:14] <raisen> how do u reenable ACPI?
[02:14] <lsuactiafner> and edit HorizSync  and Vert
[02:14] <fabio> lsuactiafner, and...?
[02:15] <teebones> lsuactiafner, i wouldn't do that...
[02:15] <lsuactiafner> i use Modes           "1280x1024"
[02:15] <teebones> change the modes...
[02:15] <teebones> nothing more to it
[02:15] <teebones> ;)
[02:15] <hondje> yeah, leave hsync/vert alone
[02:15] <lsuactiafner> but before you edit xorg.conf, cp xorg.conf xorg.conf_backup
[02:15] <IIIEars> new_to_ubuntu - do you have any questions?
[02:15] <hondje> hehe /nick new_to_ubuntu_but_questionless :-)
[02:15] <lsuactiafner> hsync/vert defaults didnt like my flatron
[02:16] <IIIEars> must be another happy "customer"
[02:16] <dutch> give him time...:)
[02:16] <teebones> fabio, in e.g.:
[02:16] <lsuactiafner> not only do i have more uptime than you, my load is bigger.. muhahaha
[02:16] <lsuactiafner> he
[02:16] <teebones> SubSection "Display"
[02:16] <teebones>                 Depth           1
[02:16] <teebones>                 Modes           "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[02:16] <teebones>         EndSubSection
[02:16] <teebones> change it to:
[02:16] <teebones> SubSection "Display"
[02:16] <teebones>                 Depth           1
[02:16] <teebones>                 Modes           "800x600" "640x480"
[02:16] <teebones>         EndSubSection
[02:17] <lsuactiafner> no under depth 24
[02:17] <hondje> Why do you want 800x600?
[02:17] <lsuactiafner> if your DefaultDepth    24
[02:17] <IIIEars> << - 6th week with Ubuntu and linux. - it isn't always easy. - grin
[02:17] <lsuactiafner> 800*600 on crappy 15"
[02:17] <fabio> lsuactiafner, oh yes 24 here
[02:17] <dooglus> teebones: that won't just change the default resolution, it will stop him using high resolution at all
[02:17] <hondje> If you just want bigger fonts and icons, there are easier ways
[02:17] <kbrooks> IIIEars: heh
[02:17] <fabio> teebones, oh great I understand, so I have to delete the one the comes first?
[02:17] <teebones> dooglus, right.. but he surely doesn't want the high one..
[02:17] <anto9us> lower resolutions are good for some fullscreen apps, e.g. movies
[02:17] <kbrooks> IIIEars: i've been on linux  for a year.
[02:17] <hondje> Though if you're like me, low refresh rate makes life suck :(
[02:17] <lsuactiafner> fabio : then in x press crl alt backspace, should restart x
[02:18] <teebones> fabio, right
[02:18] <hondje> I've been using only linux for 5 years, and still dont' know shit :-(
[02:18] <dutch> me too !
[02:18] <teebones> hallo dutch
[02:18] <teebones> ;)
[02:18] <fabio> lsuactiafner, oh yes explain how to do that, cos I restart X but how do I start it again?
[02:18] <dutch> but, only 2 years now
[02:18] <hondje> well, some windows, about 20 minutes a month...can't avoid that. OS X too, some commericial unix...
[02:18] <dutch> hello teebones :)
[02:18] <teebones> alles goed daarzo?
[02:18] <kbrooks> hondje: well, shit like what?
[02:18] <hondje> dutch: Good, I'm not alone in my lameness :D
[02:19] <kbrooks> hondje: maybe i can explain.........
[02:19] <IIIEars> Just so tired and angry at windows. - swore non stop the first day. my wife thought i was possesed. - thats okay she likes a devil ;)
[02:19] <lsuactiafner> fabio : in ubuntu its almost impossible to kill x off unless you kill gdm also
[02:19] <dutch> too much time working and not enough time at the box :(
[02:19] <lsuactiafner> but just press control alt backspace in X
[02:19] <lsuactiafner> and you will kill X and gdm will restart it
[02:19] <hondje> kbrooks: Well, like how to make a deb pkg properly, how to get things like transcode to build, stuff like that
[02:19] <fabio> lsuactiafner, I do but then appear the black screen with the text only, how do I launch the graphics again?
[02:19] <kbrooks> hondje: er,  the first....mmmm, let me check
[02:19] <hondje> I man debhelper once, got lost in 10 seconds...what I've been doing is cheating and using checkinstall to make a lame .deb, and then working from that
[02:20] <lsuactiafner> hondje : apt-get build-dep transcode
[02:20] <lsuactiafner> fabio : startx
[02:20] <lsuactiafner> or wait
[02:20] <kbrooks> hondje: rofl.
[02:20] <kbrooks> checkinstall.
[02:20] <fabio> lsuactiafner, oh as simple as that :) ?
[02:20] <lsuactiafner> sh /etc/init.d/gdm start
[02:20] <hondje> lsuactiafner: no way...I thought it wasn't aptable at all, like rm from repos?
[02:21] <fabio> thanks I will
[02:21] <lsuactiafner> hondje : apt-get build-dep transcode, then compile it yourself if you need
[02:21] <kbrooks> lsuactiafner: /etc/init.d/gdm is +x
[02:21] <teebones> lsuactiafner, if gdm is running, better not run startx.
[02:21] <hondje> kbrooks: Yeah, it's not good...I was trying to make one for fast user switch applet in gnome, now I can't use it myself :D
[02:21] <dutch> ctl/alt/F(n) ?
[02:21] <lsuactiafner> yeh i have chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm
[02:21] <kbrooks> hondje: i can help!
[02:21] <lsuactiafner> so i run xinit
[02:21] <hondje> kbrooks: Oh, that'd be awesome
[02:21] <lsuactiafner> and blackbox
[02:21] <lsuactiafner> and no gdm
[02:21] <hondje> I love that app, since multiple people use this computer at home
[02:22] <kbrooks> hmm.
[02:22] <kbrooks> where are the additional apt utilities located at
[02:22] <grandpap> thank you all for the welcome,s see you again soon, byeeeeeeeeeeee
[02:22] <ryanomalley> Hey I have a problem
[02:22] <lsuactiafner> locate | grep apt
[02:22] <ryanomalley> I just started up my computer
[02:23] <lsuactiafner> ryanomalley : me2
[02:23] <lsuactiafner> same..
[02:23] <ryanomalley> and the res is 640x480
[02:23] <kbrooks> hondje: then again, maybe i have a idea......
[02:23] <ryanomalley> oh seriously?
[02:23] <hondje> kbrooks: If you just know a very clear how-to, that'd be great
[02:23] <lsuactiafner> ryanomalley : control alt + or -
[02:23] <ryanomalley> i tried xrandr
[02:23] <ryanomalley> didnt work.
[02:23] <cavediver> Anyone have problem with the tv-out image. I get so that the desktop is larger then the resolution so if i maximise a movie, I only see halv of it :)
[02:23] <ryanomalley> xrandr x {res here}
[02:23] <lsuactiafner> ryanomalley : i booted like 7 days ago tho
[02:24] <ryanomalley> Oh okay
[02:24] <ryanomalley> so I should try control alt +
[02:24] <ryanomalley> brb
[02:24] <lsuactiafner> lol
[02:24] <ryanomalley> didnt work
[02:24] <lsuactiafner> edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:24] <lsuactiafner> or..
[02:24] <lsuactiafner> orr..
[02:24] <ryanomalley> so what did you do about it lsuactianfner?
[02:24] <lsuactiafner> run xorgconf
[02:24] <cadaver> i rebooted 21 days ago
[02:24] <makoto> hi there
[02:25] <hondje> kbrooks: oh, since you're both wise AND helpful, perhaps I could bother you to help me get automagical mounting working again?
[02:25] <lsuactiafner> i edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf when in doubt, noobs run xorgconf
[02:25] <anto9us> ryanomalley: try the + and - on the numpad if you already didn't
[02:25] <cadaver> 14:16:52  up 21 days, 18:37,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00
[02:25] <hondje> xorg.conf is intimidating to most newbies, I've noticed....
[02:25] <lsuactiafner> cadaver : my load is bigger than yours
[02:25] <Mirzabah> I'm having trouble with setting up an acx111 wireless card. I want to use ndiswrapper instead of the acx100 driver, and I've got it basically working, but Ubuntu keeps installing the acx_pci modul on boot up. I've removed it using modprobe and physically moved the files out of /libs/modules/.., but it keeps popping back up. Any ideas?
[02:25] <lsuactiafner>  14:26:19 up 7 days, 14:09, 13 users,  load average: 1.00, 1.03, 1.04
[02:25] <cadaver> lsuactiafner, :-)
[02:26] <makoto> coulkd someone help me acces my hard drives.  I have been tryng for 6 hours now.... im about to install windows xp back on, its that bad
[02:26] <lsuactiafner> lol
[02:26] <hondje> makoto: Access what harddrive? More detail sir :)
[02:26] <makoto> ok
[02:26] <cadaver> mako, ?
[02:26] <ryanomalley> so what should I edit in xorg?
[02:26] <makoto> one sec
[02:26] <lsuactiafner> makoto : mount -t ntfs /dev/something either sda1-10 or hda1-10 /mnt/
[02:26] <hondje> lsuactiafner: You should macro that :D
[02:27] <lsuactiafner> ryanomalley : yeh edit a line called Modes under Depth 24
[02:27] <makoto> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39445
[02:27] <lsuactiafner> yeh
[02:27] <cadaver> lsuactiafner, ehm.. or vfat
[02:27] <cadaver> ;)
[02:27] <makoto> I explained my situation here
[02:27] <thenuke> how can I have bootsplash?
[02:27] <ryanomalley> Modes		"1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[02:27] <makoto> might be easier than typing it all again
[02:27] <ryanomalley> thats it.
[02:27] <lsuactiafner> yeh
[02:27] <cadaver> makoto, reading
[02:27] <lsuactiafner> now control alt - and +
[02:27] <makoto> thanks mate
[02:28] <ryanomalley> lsuactianfner: what should I edit?
[02:28] <ryanomalley> Modes  "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[02:28] <ryanomalley> I have that.
[02:28] <lsuactiafner> editing HorizSync or Vert can also help
[02:28] <hondje> lsuactiafner: Do you have to use the + / - keys on your numpad for that to work?
[02:28] <lsuactiafner> then restart X
[02:28] <lsuactiafner> ryanomalley : it looks good
[02:28] <lsuactiafner> hondje : yeh
[02:28] <lsuactiafner> i think...
[02:28] <lsuactiafner> lets see
[02:29] <anto9us> yes, numpad only
[02:29] <ryanomalley> ok
[02:29] <hondje> okay, no one told me that so for like 2 years I was going nuts trying to get it working using regular +/-
[02:29] <hondje> :)
[02:29] <lsuactiafner> shit i dont have any other lines to check
[02:29] <lsuactiafner> lol
[02:29] <ryanomalley> lsuactianfner, what should I do now?
[02:29] <Guest40> hi all
[02:29] <lsuactiafner> press constrol alt backspace to make your X reload
[02:29] <lsuactiafner> it will kill X btw
[02:29] <Mirzabah> anyone able to help me prevent linux from auto-configuring a network interface on boot?
[02:29] <lsuactiafner> and rerun
[02:30] <toxicfume> crimsun: hi there, are you around?
[02:30] <raptoid> hi everybodyz
[02:30] <raptoid> Err http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-backports/main Packages
[02:30] <raptoid>   401 Authorization Required
[02:30] <raptoid> ?
[02:30] <raptoid> 2 week
[02:30] <toxicfume> My laptop doesn't seem to run WIFI and ACPI on ubuntu properly, can someone please help me get them working?
[02:31] <guptan> how can I compile firefox with PANGO support
[02:31] <IIIEars> "" raptiod
[02:31] <cadaver> makoto, in your fstab you state that hda1 is your ntfs partition.. but that's not true.. because it's your ext3 /
[02:31] <raptoid> IIIEars, yeah ?
[02:31] <lsuactiafner> am tired
[02:31] <gayubuntuloser> toxic try out a different distro\
[02:31] <lsuactiafner> enough
[02:31] <makoto> oh ok
[02:31] <lsuactiafner> i need to study
[02:31] <makoto> sorry about that
[02:31] <raptoid> IIIEars, ?
[02:31] <toxicfume> gayubuntuloser: already did
[02:31] <makoto> i also state im a noob..
[02:31] <makoto> sorry mate
[02:31] <cadaver> makoto, do sudo fdisk -l
[02:31] <cadaver> what's the output?
[02:32] <IIIEars> yes - i get that error also.
[02:32] <toxicfume> can someone please help me get intel pro wireless 2200 working in ubuntu? thanks
[02:32] <gayubuntuloser> did you search google?
[02:32] <Mirzabah> worked out of the box for me...
[02:32] <jahn> i've just installed ubuntu and my audio card is detected but doesnt output any sounds, its an SB Audigy 2 ZS, anyone can help?
[02:32] <makoto> ok before I do that I want to make sure that I don't erase the data on my slave drive
[02:32] <toxicfume> gayubuntuloser: yes, even ubuntu wiki and ubuntuforums
[02:32] <kbrooks> makoto: hdb
[02:33] <kbrooks> thats slave
[02:33] <ryanomalley> ok
[02:33] <makoto> ok
[02:33] <cadaver> makato: no.. you won't.. it only lists the drives/partitions present
[02:33] <gayubuntuloser> try xandros oce
[02:33] <IIIEars> jahn - odd but sound is muted for alsa on install - need to check the mixer/slider
[02:33] <Jormundgand> toxicfume: What specific wifi hardware won't work?
[02:33] <cadaver> kbrooks, doesn't have to be
[02:33] <johnnybezak> how do I undo zip's?
[02:33] <ryanomalley> ok, here I have a question
[02:33] <anto9us> gayubuntuloser: stop trolling
[02:33] <ryanomalley> I just booted up my comp
[02:33] <toxicfume> Jormundgand: Intel Pro Wireless 2200
[02:33] <n00dle> okay, i've installed ubuntu, it didnt detect my network right
[02:33] <ryanomalley> and the res is stuck incredibely low.
[02:33] <gayubuntuloser> im just giving good advice
[02:33] <johnnybezak> what do you expect from gayubuntuloser
[02:34] <n00dle> i've logged in as a normal user, if i click on network settings it just waits then dissapears.
[02:34] <makoto> ok i will try sudo fdisk -1
[02:34] <ryanomalley> And when I try to change the res, theres no more options under the screen resolution
[02:34] <guptan> friends, how do I compile firefox making PANGO as the rendering engine?
[02:34] <cadaver> no..
[02:34] <hondje> gayubuntuloser: Come on man....it used to be that us trolls took pride in our work
[02:34] <Jormundgand> gayubuntuloser: commercial Linux distros are rarely, if ever, a good choice.
[02:34] <cadaver> not -1 but with -l
[02:34] <ryanomalley> and I checked xorg.conf the line under modes, it lookd fine
[02:34] <cadaver> -l = list
[02:34] <ryanomalley> so what should I do?
[02:34] <hondje> We were subtle, controvesial, and unblameable
[02:34] <BleSS> I need help for finishing a tool, could run this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/XDTR6W46.nln.html (result to private mess.) thx
[02:34] <gayubuntuloser> oce = open circulation edition....whichmeans its free duh
[02:34] <IIIEars> marjorie - early evenings here.
[02:34] <gayubuntuloser> and everything works outta the box
[02:34] <johnnybezak> just ignore him
[02:35] <gayubuntuloser> and i mean everything
[02:35] <makoto> invalid option is what I get
[02:35] <IIIEars> the developers are here.
[02:35] <toxicfume> Jormundgand: do you know how toget it working? i tried doign a lot of mess with the new drivers and even did something like unloading old drivers etc etc..i don't know how messed up ubuntu is right now
[02:35] <cadaver> makoto, see private message
[02:35] <cadaver> ;)
[02:35] <Mirzabah> Does anyone here know how to prevent ubuntu fro auto-configuring a network interface?
[02:35] <Jormundgand> toxicfume: I switched to a box which does all the work for me and consigned my previous box to obsolescence. :p
[02:35] <raptoid> whats ubuntu backports eror ?
[02:35] <ryanomalley> what do I do about this?
[02:36] <raptoid> Failed to fetch http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ubp/dists/hoary-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  401 Authorization Required
[02:36] <raptoid> Failed to fetch http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ubp/dists/hoary-backports/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  401 Authorization Required
[02:36] <raptoid> Failed to fetch http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ubp/dists/hoary-backports/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz  401 Authorization Required
[02:36] <johnnybezak> woah channel spam:P
[02:36] <Jormundgand> raptoid: Use a mirror.
[02:36] <jahn> IIIEars, ive checked and its unmuted and the sound volume all way up but no sound
[02:36] <Mirzabah> ummm you should be using a mirror for backports.
[02:36] <raptoid> Jormundgand, ?
[02:36] <raptoid> correct ?
[02:36] <Jormundgand> raptoid: Main archive access is denied. Use a mirror.
[02:37] <IIIEars> jahn - do you hear the boot up welcome sound events?
[02:37] <raptoid> why
[02:37] <Mirzabah> re backports: check the backports pages. They tell you what to do.
[02:37] <Mirzabah> Does anyone here know how to prevent ubuntu fro auto-configuring a network interface?
[02:37] <n00dle> how do i setup networking in ubuntu
[02:37] <jahn> IIIEars, no
[02:37] <raptoid> correct mirros paste please..
[02:37] <raptoid> mirror
[02:37] <raptoid> zkiyim ben bu ingilizceyi
[02:37] <ryanomalley> I just booted up ubuntu to have the res 640x480, and its impossible to change in screen resolution settings
[02:37] <ryanomalley> what should I do?
[02:38] <IIIEars> Was the ubuntu wiki any help?
[02:38] <spanglesontoast> yo
[02:38] <nxv_> when i have installed sun-j2sdk1.5 is there somewhere the java api doc
[02:38] <Demian__> ryanomalley, go to #xorg
[02:38] <jahn> IIIEars, ive tested all the output modules but none emited sound
[02:38] <Mirzabah> Does anyone here know how to prevent ubuntu fro auto-configuring a network interface?
[02:38] <ryanomalley> ok
[02:39] <IIIEars> google "LUG" linux user groups
[02:39] <ryanomalley> haha oops didnt mean to close that
[02:39] <hondje> Mirzabah: change permissions on /etc/init.d/networking?
[02:39] <ryanomalley> so what should I do?
[02:39] <zAo^> can anyone help me with building a package? I want to build Klibido
[02:39] <IIIEars> jahn - i may be too new to help (6th week - sorry.)
[02:39] <jpfarias> hi people
[02:39] <jahn> IIIEars, ok thanks anyway :)
[02:39] <ryanomalley> I've checked the line under modes, and it looked fine
[02:40] <ryanomalley> wait I have an idea
[02:40] <ryanomalley> brb
[02:41] <Jormundgand> ryanomalley: Did you change the res settings in--
[02:41] <IIIEars> faxes ryanomalley an aspirin - please don't do that.
[02:41] <spanglesontoast> can anyone help me setup a ident server up?
[02:41] <IIIEars> not to mention they really like sounding technical
[02:41] <jpfarias> why is mozilla firefox still on 1.0.2?
[02:42] <kbrooks> jpfarias: warty==frozen
[02:42] <IIIEars> when in doubt add an acronym
[02:42] <Jormundgand> jpfarias: After release no new features are introduced.
[02:42] <kbrooks> hoary==frozen
[02:42] <kbrooks> Jormundgand: that's what frozen means
[02:42] <Jormundgand> kbrooks: I know that.
[02:42] <jpfarias> Jormundgand: but there was many security fixes on 1.0.4
[02:42] <anto9us> jpfarias: it's had the security updates
[02:43] <Jormundgand> jpfarias: Which were backported.
[02:43] <jpfarias> Jormundgand: any reason to not  update?
[02:43] <martymart> hello all
[02:43] <ryanomalley> aghhh what do I do?
[02:43] <anto9us> hi martymart
[02:43] <kbrooks> jpfarias: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[02:43] <jpfarias> kbrooks: I am updating right now
[02:44] <jpfarias> kbrooks: the latest version I see is 1.0.2
[02:44] <kbrooks> jpfarias: the security fixes update firefox
[02:44] <Jormundgand> ryanomalley: sudo dpkg-configure xserver-xorg
[02:44] <martymart> I can not seem to play any media files (avi and mp3s) directly off my windows NTFS server. Is there any way to do this?
[02:45] <Jormundgand> dpkg-reconfigure*
[02:45] <spanglesontoast> can anyone help me setup a ident server up?
[02:45] <kbrooks> martymart: samba
[02:45] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: yes. google!
[02:45] <anto9us> martymart: I think that's a samba problem, you could try making a permanent samba mount
[02:46] <hondje> kbrooks: apt-cache search identd
[02:46] <spanglesontoast> .........................
[02:46] <spanglesontoast> how about making icons appear in the computer bit of gnome
[02:46] <martymart> How do i config samba? I mean where?
[02:46] <IIIEars> martymart - dual boot or over the lan? what server software samba, apache?
[02:46] <hondje> er, not kbrooks, spanglesontoast: apt-cache search identd
[02:46] <johnnybezak> /etc/samba/smb.conf
[02:47] <martymart> defult install of Ubuntu, so I do not know which but I presume samba
[02:47] <spanglesontoast> yea but it keeps saying that port 113 is used
[02:48] <spanglesontoast> edd@spangles:~$ ident2
[02:48] <spanglesontoast> error: binding to port 113: bind(): Permission denied
[02:48] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: setuid
[02:48] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: whereis ident2
[02:48] <hondje> kbrooks: why would you use setuid instead of sudo?
[02:48] <anto9us> martymart: you don't need to edit samba config you just need to mount windows share...
[02:48] <spanglesontoast> /usr/sbin/ident2
[02:49] <martymart> How do I do that anto9us?
[02:49] <kbrooks> hondje: setuid is safer than sudoing  forever
[02:49] <anto9us> martymart: mkdir /mnt/<choose a name>
[02:49] <hondje> kbrooks: Hrm, I was always told to avoid using setuid :-)
[02:49] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: sudo chmod u+s /usr/sbin/ident2
[02:49] <Arrogant> I stopped when I figured out that with max speed it'd take 20 hours
[02:49] <martymart> Is that all anto9us?
[02:49] <Arrogant> And there was no way I was getting max speed :)
[02:49] <Arrogant> Stupid dialup :(
[02:50] <spanglesontoast> what does u+s do?
[02:50] <hondje> Then again, I complain about /dev/shm not being mounted noexec
[02:50] <kbrooks> hondje: can be dangerous, but it's useful
[02:50] <LinuxJones> Arrogant, what are you trying to download ?
[02:50] <spanglesontoast> done that now what?
[02:50] <Arrogant> LinuxJones: apt-get dist-upgrade :P
[02:50] <LinuxJones> Arrogant, yikes !!
[02:50] <Arrogant> Yeah.
[02:50] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: run it. ident2
[02:50] <spanglesontoast> says the same
[02:51] <Arrogant> I stopped it. There was no way that I was going to let that go on
[02:51] <LinuxJones> Arrogant, your running warty ?
[02:51] <johnnybezak> hey guys how do you copy/paste from an xterm
[02:51] <spanglesontoast> error: binding to port 113: bind(): Address already in use
[02:51] <Arrogant> LinuxJones: Not at the moment, but on my other PC yes
[02:51] <spanglesontoast> oops
[02:51] <spanglesontoast> hehe
[02:51] <hondje> johnnybezak: I use the middle button on the mouse
[02:51] <spanglesontoast> is that because I'm using xchat?
[02:51] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: undo chmod and sudo ident2
[02:52] <anto9us> martymart: mount -t smbfs -o username=[YOUR USER NAME] , //<path> /mnt/<chosen name>
[02:52] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: no. xchat doesnt have a builtin identd server
[02:52] <spanglesontoast> how do I undo chmods?
[02:52] <johnnybezak> hondje: ok
[02:52] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: s/+/-/
[02:52] <johnnybezak> 22:52 < kbrooks> spanglesontoast: s/+/-/
[02:53] <spanglesontoast> sudo chmod s/+/-/ /usr/sbin/ident2
[02:53] <spanglesontoast> didn't work
[02:53] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: no
[02:53] <johnnybezak> sorry guys
[02:53] <Murlocdundee> hello
[02:53] <marjorie> I have installed the hplip print system but the update rc.d bit at the end failed, How can i update it manually?
[02:53] <spanglesontoast> ?
[02:53] <Murlocdundee> I have a question
[02:53] <kbrooks> replace X with Y
[02:53] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: s/X/Y/
[02:53] <Jormundgand> Murlocdundee: Hope you get an answer. :(
[02:53] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: that's whatt i mean
[02:54] <martymart> I can not su into super user at the console! Any ideas?
[02:54] <Murlocdundee> Is the Ubuntu website still build using plone ?
[02:54] <Jormundgand> martymart: sudo
[02:54] <kbrooks> martymart: sudo -s
[02:54] <anto9us> martymart: no need, prefix su commands with sudo
[02:54] <hondje> martymart: use sudo -s for a root term, sudo for su -c
[02:54] <spanglesontoast> still not working
[02:54] <martymart> Thank you all
[02:54] <kbrooks> alias su="sudo -s"
[02:55] <spanglesontoast> edd@spangles:~$ sudo chmod s/X/Y/ /usr/sbin/ident2
[02:55] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: LITERALLY!
[02:55] <IIIEars> (fearfuk newb crosses fingers and hopes someone will help marjorie.)
[02:55] <spanglesontoast> chmod: invalid mode string: `s/X/Y/'
[02:55] <Murlocdundee> Jormundgand: do you know if the ubuntu' website still makes use of plone ?
[02:55] <spanglesontoast> ?
[02:55] <Jormundgand> Murlocdundee: No idea.
[02:55] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast:  u+s -> u-s
[02:55] <spanglesontoast> lost mate
[02:55] <spanglesontoast> ah
[02:56] <anto9us> Murlocdundee: it looks zope/plone based to me
[02:56] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: after you do that, sudo ident2
[02:56] <spanglesontoast> sudo chmod u+s u-s /usr/sbin/ident2
[02:56] <spanglesontoast> that ok?
[02:56] <kbrooks> no
[02:56] <kbrooks> only 1
[02:57] <Murlocdundee> anto9us: hum. yeah
[02:57] <spanglesontoast> -?
[02:57] <kbrooks> delete u+s
[02:57] <hondje> spanglesontoast: sudo chmod u-s /usr/sbin/ident2
[02:57] <anto9us> Murlocdundee: especially http://www.ubuntulinux.org/test
[02:57] <kbrooks> yes
[02:57] <spanglesontoast> done that
[02:57] <martymart> I have managed to log in as root and make a new mount directry, now how do I mount my windows shares?
[02:57] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: sudo ident2 after that......
[02:57] <spanglesontoast> still says error: binding to port 113: bind(): Address already in use
[02:58] <LinuxJones> martymart, have you checked out www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:58] <martymart> No
[02:58] <hondje> martymart: mount -t [vfat|ntfs]  /dev/hd? /path/to/mnt/pnt is the quick way
[02:58] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: CHANGE, then run.
[02:58] <anto9us> martymart: mount -t smbfs -o username=[YOUR USER NAME] , //<path> /mnt/<chosen name>
[02:58] <Ed_Gein> What are the steps invovled in adding a new dvd-rw to an existing ubuntu installation?
[02:58] <LinuxJones> martymart, lots of great stuff there
[02:58] <martymart> I like you guys better
[02:58] <djp> can anybody tell me how to access/edit gnome-audio-profile-properties under hoary?
[02:58] <spanglesontoast> I did change it
[02:58] <spanglesontoast> but it still stays the same
[02:58] <hondje> Ed_Gein: I can answer that, as I recently did it
[02:59] <spanglesontoast> edd@spangles:~$ sudo chmod u-s /usr/sbin/ident2
[02:59] <spanglesontoast> edd@spangles:~$ sudo ident2
[02:59] <spanglesontoast> error: binding to port 113: bind(): Address already in use
[02:59] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: ls -l /usr/bin/ident2
[02:59] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: works..........
[02:59] <hondje> Ed_Gein: Turn box off, add hardware, boot up into bios to make sure it's detected and all that, boot into ubuntu. Most of the work is done magically, I think by gvm
[02:59] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: use the server.
[02:59] <Ed_Gein> hondje: really?
[03:00] <Murlocdundee> anto9us: i know they were using it in the past, but they have made a slight change so I wonder
[03:00] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: dc and rc
[03:00] <martymart> Bye bye all, thanks for the help.
[03:00] <Murlocdundee> anto9us: what is '/test'?
[03:00] <anto9us> Murlocdundee: I can tell it's zope based
[03:00] <hondje> Ed_Gein: Yeah, my lite-on went quite well....just add the stuff to /etc/fstab and make sure dma is set on in /etc/hdparm.conf
[03:00] <Murlocdundee> anto9us: in your url
[03:00] <spanglesontoast> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 16008 2004-10-27 13:15 /usr/sbin/ident2
[03:00] <spanglesontoast> dc and rc???
[03:00] <anto9us> Murlocdundee: it's a remnant of the website development by the looks of it
[03:00] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: it already works
[03:01] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: disconnect and recpnnect
[03:01] <Ed_Gein> hondje :that is awesome. My liteon recently crapped out so I'm replacing it with a dvd-rw
[03:01] <kbrooks> reconnect
[03:01] <spanglesontoast> what from xchat?
[03:01] <hondje> Ed_Gein: yeah, it really went very easily...ubuntu even made the symlink to /dev/dvd
[03:01] <Murlocdundee> anto9us: [{'username': '134', 'displayname': 'daishi', 'roles': ('Member',), 'emailaddresses': ['ubuntu@daishi.fastmail.fm'] , 'password': 'pw', 'salt': 'kdQTBbY9ad5a8uGuivpaMEHFq6Q=\n', 'id'
[03:01] <kbrooks>  /reconnect
[03:01] <ryanomalley> hey I have a big problem
[03:01] <Murlocdundee> i get this with your url
[03:01] <djp> can anybody tell me how to access/edit gnome-audio-profile-properties under hoary?
[03:02] <ryanomalley> I booted my comp up today to have the res 640x480
[03:02] <Murlocdundee> anto9us: ?!?
[03:02] <ryanomalley> and in screen resolution
[03:02] <kbrooks> ryanomalley: fire away
[03:02] <ryanomalley> its unchangeble
[03:02] <ryanomalley> I've also tried xrandr -s
[03:02] <anto9us> Murlocdundee: yeah, I'm going to see if I can find someone to tell about it
[03:02] <ryanomalley> but under xrandr, the only option is 640x480
[03:02] <Ed_Gein> djp : Did you try alsamixer? is that what you're looking for?
[03:02] <kbrooks> ryanomalley: check X config.
[03:02] <hondje> Ed_Gein: though, for some odd reason, my mobo kept bitching until I put hdc and hdd (hdd == dvd reader) both on cable select, that might have something to do with the automagic
[03:02] <fabio> guys, which GCC do u prefer, 3.3, 3.4 or 4?
[03:02] <thekoreuk> ryanomalley, find out the horizontal sync rate for your monitor and the vertical refresh range of your monitor, then edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to reflect these
[03:03] <hondje> I prefer octave!
[03:03] <Murlocdundee> anto9us: ah nice, anyway it looks great
[03:03] <ryanomalley> thekoreuk: where would I find that?
[03:03] <Murlocdundee> anto9us: on the home page
[03:03] <n00dle> how can i get back to a network setup wizard in ubunut
[03:03] <n00dle> ubuntu
[03:03] <thekoreuk> ryanomalley, google for the specification on your monitor
[03:03] <hondje> n00dle: in the installer? Just hit escape, should bring you to a menu IIRC
[03:03] <n00dle> no
[03:03] <Ed_Gein> hondje: I'm not sure why but for some reason I've had 2 cdrw die in 5-6 years
[03:03] <n00dle> after its installed
[03:03] <ryanomalley> ok, brb
[03:03] <djp> Ed_Gein: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats attempting to configure mp3 encoding. take a look at 6.2.1
[03:03] <kbrooks> brb
[03:04] <thekoreuk> ryanomalley, for example mine was a LG L1715S, so i went to LG site and looked up my monitor to get the details
[03:04] <hondje> Ed_Gein: I'm lucky, I have one plexar next to my feet that has been running for 5+ years
[03:04] <IIIEars> Ed_Gein - check out hardware reviews for ISO cloning/Protected CD ability here... http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/search/B
[03:04] <LinuxJones> n00dle, sudo network-admin  will allow you to setup your networking
[03:04] <hondje> if it wasn't for like, 3 things, I'd be off giving ubuntu Cds to everyone I know :)
[03:04] <n00dle> ok thanks
[03:05] <n00dle> far out nothing works today
[03:05] <n00dle> network-admin gtk-warning cannot open display
[03:05] <djp> Ed_Gein: oops... maybe i should take a closer look! i think it appears to explain what to do in 6.2.1.1!!! sorry...
[03:05] <LinuxJones> n00dle, you need to login to the account that was used to install Ubuntu
[03:05] <n00dle> nah
[03:05] <Ed_Gein> djp: lol
[03:05] <n00dle> i just ran it from the ubuntu menu
[03:06] <n00dle> but its just sitting there with the busy cursor.
[03:07] <kbrooks> i want gnome.
[03:07] <kbrooks> that's it..
[03:07] <hondje> kbrooks: mind if I /msg you?
[03:07] <liable> well, install it?
[03:07] <kbrooks> hondje: about?
[03:07] <Ed_Gein> kbrooks: I would prefer Anjolina. but gnome works well on the desktop
[03:08] <n00dle> okay
[03:08] <n00dle> this is starting to shit me.
[03:08] <n00dle> now i just logged out and in again hoping to test again
[03:08] <hondje> kbrooks: nothing, k<tab> in wrong chan :)
[03:08] <n00dle> and i get 'error cannot open HAL' upon login
[03:08] <kbrooks> hondje: ah, ok
[03:09] <CoRzA> Why wont it let me install Breezy on my computer.. it installs and then its says that there are missing packages
[03:10] <CoRzA> i install the missing packages and it still wont work
[03:10] <hondje> kbrooks: While I got your ear, and you seem to be very hip to how all this voodoo works, I was wondering if I could talk you into giving thoughtage to my no-more-automount problem
[03:10] <Ed_Gein> I used to be a Gentoo fanboy but Ubuntoo has kicked that penguin to the curb
[03:10] <kbrooks> sure
[03:11] <kbrooks> CoRzA: RTFT.
[03:11] <hondje> kbrooks: Well, it was all working perfectly fine, and I can't recall any installs/upgrades that involved dbus/hal/gnome-volume-manager, other than installing fast user switch from source
[03:11] <CoRzA> RTFT??
[03:11] <liable> CoRzA: dude, why are you installing breezy?
[03:11] <n00dle> readthefriggintopic.
[03:11] <kbrooks> read the fine topic
[03:12] <CoRzA> because hoary doesnt support my video card
[03:12] <liable> fucking even
[03:12] <kbrooks> CoRzA: no.
[03:12] <kbrooks> X.
[03:12] <CoRzA> oh ok i see the top
[03:12] <edd_> back
[03:12] <edd_> no idea if it works
[03:12] <edd_> weird
[03:12] <edd_> my name is edd_
[03:12] <bob2> liable: language please
[03:12] <hondje> but a few days ago, probably wednesday, it stopped noticing when I inserted a dvd or cd.  I tried starting gnome-volume-manager by hand earlier tonight, and did some stuff like /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart, even rebooted, but still doesnt' work
[03:12] <Ed_Gein> CoRzA :what video card
[03:12] <edd_> kbrooks?
[03:12] <chocoIate> hi
[03:12] <liable> bob2: cant swear here even?
[03:13] <CoRzA> 6200 256meg
[03:13] <chocoIate> yo liable
[03:13] <kbrooks> edd_: ?
[03:13] <CoRzA> Nvidia
[03:13] <bob2> liable: indeed
[03:13] <edd_> I'm spanglesontoast
[03:13] <liable> chocoIate: get it working?
[03:13] <chocoIate> liable : i finally got to compile the correct driver i found thats supplied by fritz themselves ; however now when i dial i get this error :
[03:13] <chocoIate> http://pastebot.nd.edu/1205
[03:13] <liable> bob2: harsh
[03:13] <kbrooks> edd_: /nick
[03:13] <Ed_Gein> Hoarry doesn't support your 6200? It supports my 6800gt oc perfectly
[03:14] <CoRzA> hmm well when i install it
[03:14] <edd_> spanglesontoast is in use
[03:14] <CoRzA> it wont startx
[03:14] <kbrooks> hondje: no idea, sorry.....
[03:14] <hondje> release doesn't matter for supporting that card
[03:14] <CoRzA> yeah i know
[03:14] <hondje> kbrooks: oh well, worth a shot :) Thanks for listening!
[03:14] <kbrooks> edd_: ghost it out
[03:14] <bob2> CoRzA: please don't use breezy
[03:14] <CoRzA> my card is fully supported with Xfree
[03:14] <hondje> CoRzA: Try using the nvidia driver from nvidia's site?
[03:14] <chocoIate> i do not have isdnutil also, its one of the needed modules thats supposed to be loaded
[03:14] <megabit> Hi. I have got card reader 4in1 do you know which plugin I must install.?
[03:14] <CoRzA> how do i do that??
[03:14] <CoRzA> i have no X
[03:14] <bob2> megabit: usb?
[03:14] <hondje> CoRzA: sudo apt-get install lynx
[03:14] <bob2> CoRzA: breezy on X is broken
[03:15] <bob2> CoRzA: please don't use breezy
[03:15] <megabit> bob2, No in notebook.
[03:15] <hondje> ooh, no X :D
[03:15] <kbrooks> bob2: serious?
[03:15] <CoRzA> bob2: i'm past that already
[03:15] <bob2> kbrooks: yes
[03:15] <bob2> CoRzA: apparently not if it isn't starting
[03:15] <edd_> how?
[03:15] <bob2> CoRzA: you do not need the proprietary drivers to get X to run
[03:15] <CoRzA> lynx u say
[03:15] <kbrooks> CoRzA: nv
[03:15] <kbrooks> use nv
[03:15] <CoRzA> how?
[03:16] <Ed_Gein> CoRzA:poxt your xconfig somewhere
[03:16] <chocoIate> i see a capiutil package in package maanger already isntalled by default ; however even trying modprobe capiutil generates an error coz the module is not there :S
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> ah
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> that's better
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> how do I know if my ident2 server is running
[03:16] <CoRzA> :S
[03:16] <chocoIate> seems like its something installed with capi4linux :o
[03:16] <chocoIate> do i really need that and where do i find it :o
[03:16] <IIIEars> NP - sudo, sudo su or gksudo even create a root acct    passwd root
[03:16] <kbrooks> brb.
[03:17] <marjorie> How can i log onto a local web page as root in ubuntu? (http://localhost:631)
[03:17] <bob2> chocoIate: best to try asking on the user list, there's more likely to be a isdn user
[03:17] <Ed_Gein> CoRzA :What driver is X-config using?
[03:17] <bob2> marjorie: you can use the gui tool from the gnome system -> adminustration -> printing dialog instead
[03:17] <CoRzA> i dont know how to check
[03:18] <jansen> when i using the ubuntu,my laptop always heatest than windows xp
[03:18] <IIIEars> bob2 - Yay! Good Morning! :)
[03:18] <Ed_Gein> CoRzA :open the config file in your favourite editor and read
[03:18] <bob2> aloha
[03:18] <chocoIate> ok
[03:18] <bob2> jansen: what does "lsmod | grep fan" print?
[03:18] <CoRzA> where is the config file
[03:19] <kbrooks> CoRzA: /etc/X11
[03:19] <CoRzA> and the config file is which?
[03:19] <thekoreuk> the one with .conf
[03:19] <thekoreuk> :P
[03:19] <marjorie> bob2: I need to do it this way beacuse gnome cups is not working for my printer, im useing hplip
[03:19] <kbrooks> brb
[03:19] <CoRzA> and how do i tell which one that is without a gui
[03:20] <Ed_Gein> CoRzA : nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:20] <cadaver> .
[03:20] <spanglesontoast> how do I get ident2 working
[03:20] <jansen> bob2 wmt
[03:20] <spanglesontoast> ?
[03:20] <kbrooks> gdgdgd
[03:20] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast:
[03:20] <CoRzA> and what will it say in that config file and what do i need to input?
[03:20] <thekoreuk> CoRzA, are you aware what you are doing in the CLI, because if not then perhaps you should just go back to Hoary
[03:20] <hondje> Ed_Gein: oooh, nano == pico clone, thanks for making me thing to apt-cache search it :D
[03:21] <CoRzA> i am going back to hoary
[03:21] <mac_hack> hi all
[03:21] <cadaver> hi
[03:21] <spanglesontoast> ?
[03:21] <Ed_Gein> hondje : I love nano
[03:21] <kbrooks> CoRzA: do it! now!
[03:21] <hondje> I'm addicted to vim, but I used pico at first, still do on my webserver :D
[03:21] <CoRzA> and what will it say in that config file and what do i need to input?
[03:21] <jansen> bob2 jansen@ubuntu:~ $ lsmod | grep fan
[03:21] <jansen> fan                     4612  0
[03:21] <bob2> CoRzA: breezy is really not ready for non-experts yet
[03:21] <bob2> CoRzA: you'll have a lot less trouble if you reinstall with hoary
[03:21] <Ed_Gein> CoRzA : You need to go back to hoary. But first figure out what driver you're using
[03:22] <virtuald> can i plug in sata disks when the computer is running?
[03:22] <chocoIate> seems like i need this package, do any of you know where i can find it for ubuntu if its already packaged. The package i'm looking for is capi4k-utils
[03:22] <thekoreuk> which you obviously are not... no offence
[03:22] <bob2> virtuald: I think it depends on the hardware
[03:22] <CoRzA> BOB2 I AM USING HOARY
[03:22] <CoRzA> I"M NOT USING BREEZY
[03:22] <BleSS> I need help for finishing a tool, could run this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/XDTR6W46.nln.html (result to private mess.) thx
[03:22] <CoRzA> hoary just has a problem with my video card
[03:22] <virtuald> bob2: so if my hardware sucks, can it break? :)
[03:22] <bob2> virtuald: yes
[03:22] <virtuald> ok
[03:22] <virtuald> B] 
[03:22] <bob2> BleSS: please stop it
[03:22] <Ed_Gein> CoRzA: Did you try the code I posted?
[03:23] <virtuald> (it does suck)
[03:23] <BleSS> bob2, ok sorry
[03:23] <IIIEars> hm - i hate that i don't more. something added to the etc/sudoers file or using setuid should help. alas it will only lead to more questions i can't answer.
[03:23] <spanglesontoast> kbrooks how do I make xchat work with it?
[03:23] <CoRzA> umm i will try that
[03:23] <jansen> bob2 how?
[03:23] <hondje> CoRzA: Define problem....anything useful in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, error messages, etc?
[03:23] <bob2> jansen: how what?
[03:24] <IIIEars> bob2 - any hints with marjorie's question about cups asking for a root password?
[03:24] <Ed_Gein> CoRzA: after that scroll down to the section "Device" what driver is being used?
[03:24] <hondje> marjorie: make a root password if it wants one :)
[03:24] <hondje> marjorie: sudo su passwd should do it
[03:24] <marjorie> it dont! :)
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> sudo passwd is fine
[03:24] <hondje> oh hey
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> su is not required
[03:25] <hondje> yeah, that would be silly
[03:25] <marjorie> ok mabe im being an idiot, this is what im doing
[03:25] <CoRzA> brb
[03:25] <marjorie> root terminal...
[03:25] <marjorie> firefox
[03:25] <marjorie> http://localhost:631
[03:25] <marjorie> still asks for pw
[03:25] <Ed_Gein> CoRzA: you don't need to leace irc to check this
[03:25] <Ed_Gein> leave*
[03:25] <ompaul> marjorie, if you can't get cups to fix the problem using either of the tools, the one I pointed you at ant the one bob2 pointed you at I suggest the following, remove the printer that exists, restart your gnome session set up printer test it with OO if neither of these work and you really really really (no joke here) want to try to use the root password then do this - launch a terminal, in it type `sudo root passwd` that will allow you
[03:25] <ompaul>  to set a root password, to remove it after, use nano in this command line 'sudo nano /etc/shadow' be very very careful with this after the word root you will see a full colon : and a long string of characters which finishes with a : , if you replace the characters with a single * you will have removed roots password as you most likely will not need it again.
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> ompaul: that's a bad idea.
[03:26] <mlambie> I've followed http://ubuntuguide.org/ and installed Mono and Tomboy, but Tomboy doesn't start. Any tips?
[03:26] <jansen> bob2 like this fan                     4612  0
[03:26] <bob2> jansen: yes, I know
[03:26] <bob2> jansen: try asking on the user list
[03:26] <warty> hey the koreuk
[03:26] <warty> its "ryanomalley"
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> ompaul: if you want to disable root use sudo usermod -l root
[03:26] <hondje> HrdwrBoB: what is bad idea, making root passwd, or messing with shadow by hand?
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> hondje: messing with shadow
[03:26] <warty> It didnt work
[03:26] <marjorie> Thank you, Guys i know this contravenes X Y and Z but i really think its the only way round this one
[03:26] <warty> It was the wrong frequency
[03:27] <ompaul> HrdwrBoB, there is that .. didn't know it
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> ompaul: now you do :)
[03:27] <Ed_Gein> lol
[03:27] <spanglesontoast> are there any irc programs that come with an ident server built in
[03:27] <spanglesontoast> ?
[03:27] <ompaul> marjorie, as HrdwrBoB said for removing the password
[03:27] <dutch> how do I open port 23..need access to telnet
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> dutch: are you talking about outbound or inbound
[03:27] <bob2> spanglesontoast: no, that would be silly
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> if you mean outbound... it's open
[03:28] <dutch> inbound...
[03:28] <bob2> spanglesontoast: if you want an identd server, install one
[03:28] <HrdwrBoB> if you mean inbound, you don't, use ssh
[03:28] <Ed_Gein> dutch: you shouldn't have to
[03:28] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get install ssh
[03:28] <hondje> HrdwrBoB: Yeah, I learned once that you don't change gecos info by hand :)
[03:28] <bob2> dutch: wy do you think you want to use telnet?
[03:28] <bob2> spanglesontoast: oidentd is a nice one
[03:28] <dutch> for ham radio dx clusters...
[03:28] <marjorie> ompaul:HrdwrBoB Thats after i fix problem tho right?
[03:28] <kbrooks> ssh > telnet
[03:28] <mlambie> anyone got tomboy running on hoary?
[03:28] <Methynutnut> bob2: actually, it's a standard feature for mIRC, being windows and all.
[03:28] <dutch> anytime I try telnet, it just sits there..finally comes back and says unable to connect to
[03:28] <ompaul> marjorie, yes
[03:29] <bob2> Methynutnut: yes, I know
[03:29] <bob2> Methynutnut: but windows programs do lots of silly things
[03:29] <kbrooks> brb
[03:29] <marjorie> Ok, im scared now but i will try :)
[03:29] <Methynutnut> bob2: agreed ;)
[03:29] <warty> thekoreuk?
[03:29] <kbrooks> h.
[03:29] <kbrooks> uh*
[03:29] <hondje> dutch: how are you using telnet? I'm using it right now
[03:29] <kbrooks> i want xfce
[03:29] <ompaul> hondje, mind you vi and a macro can be a bad idea in the wrong hands :)
[03:29] <hondje> xfce is nice :)
[03:30] <kbrooks> uh,  nm
[03:30] <spanglesontoast> why is there no howto for ident servers?
[03:30] <hondje> ompaul: Yes, thanks for reminding me :D
[03:30] <hondje> spanglesontoast: because it's easy to apt-get install one
[03:30] <bob2> spanglesontoast: because all you have to do is install it
[03:30] <jansen> bob2 can u give me ur source.list?
[03:30] <bob2> spanglesontoast: also, there's usually no point to having one
[03:30] <bob2> jansen: no
[03:31] <bob2> jansen: it's the default hoary one with some private repositories added
[03:31] <dutch> ok, installed ssh, how do I use it to connect to a telnet ip??
[03:31] <HrdwrBoB> spanglesontoast: IRC servers that require ident are retarded, and you should tell them so
[03:31] <Ed_Gein> I wonder what happened to Corza
[03:31] <HrdwrBoB> dutch: um.. you don't
[03:31] <hondje> dutch: you can't, sir
[03:31] <bob2> spanglesontoast: sudo aptitude -y install oidentd
[03:31] <HrdwrBoB> dutch: so you meant outbound then?
[03:31] <bob2> spanglesontoast: then it installs and runs and you're all done.
[03:31] <warty> if I backed up my xorg.conf file, how do I reload it
[03:31] <hondje> dutch: telnet domain.name.tld port should do it for you
[03:31] <spanglesontoast> no worries about?
[03:31] <warty> I changed the vertrefresh and horizontalsync, but they were wrong
[03:31] <warty> so my computer doesnt let my boot up
[03:31] <warty> so I put in a livecd
[03:31] <dutch> HrdwrBob: now you've got me confused...
[03:31] <warty> and here I am
[03:31] <spanglesontoast> how do I run it?
[03:32] <bob2> spanglesontoast: you don't, it runs automatically
[03:32] <HrdwrBoB> dutch: outbound = connecting to other things
[03:32] <dutch> in earlier version of linux I could use telnet...now, I can't
[03:32] <HrdwrBoB> dutch: inbound = connecting to your PC
[03:32] <marjorie>  bah, It let me set the password but cups still aint having it
[03:32] <bob2> warty: so, changs them back
[03:32] <warty> but I backed up xorg.conf so how do I put it back to how it was?
[03:32] <hondje> dutch: open a terminal, type telnet talker.rekka.net 4242
[03:32] <hondje> tell me if that connects
[03:32] <spanglesontoast> do I have to restart xchat for it to work?
[03:32] <kbrooks> warty: cp
[03:32] <dutch> hondje: ok, it connected
[03:32] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: no!
[03:33] <scorpix> is there's any info about the next colony release?(Colony 2)
[03:33] <hondje> dutch: okay, so telnet works fine
[03:33] <bob2> spanglesontoast: no
[03:33] <hondje> dutch: That means whatever you're connecting to is the problem
[03:33] <Ed_Gein> works here
[03:33] <bob2> spanglesontoast: xchat and an identd server are entirely unrelated
[03:33] <bob2> spanglesontoast: except by the fact some irc servers try to ident you on connect
[03:33] <spanglesontoast> so what do I use?
[03:33] <dutch> ok, let me try to connect to the regular telnet ip that I normally use...brb
[03:33] <marjorie> "Administrative commands are disabled in the web interface for security reasons. Please use the GNOME CUPS manager (System > Administration > Printing)."
[03:33] <marjorie> no!
[03:33] <marjorie> :)
[03:34] <bob2> spanglesontoast: I don't think you've explained what the problem is
[03:34] <kbrooks> use it
[03:34] <bob2> spanglesontoast: you wanted an identd server.  if you ran the command I gave you, you have one installed and running.
[03:34] <marjorie> I cant, Have reinstalled printer / system a gazillion times, I NEED to use hplip
[03:34] <bob2> marjorie: you're sure gnome cups thing can't use the hplip drivers?
[03:35] <spanglesontoast> well I need to get on irc.shameless.net
[03:35] <kbrooks> what package is the gnome cups manager in?
[03:35] <spanglesontoast> and It uses ident
[03:35] <dutch> hondje: tried 66.82.151.158...just says trying
[03:35] <hondje> dutch: Perhaps it wants a different port?
[03:35] <HrdwrBoB> kbrooks: dpkg -S will tell you
[03:36] <dutch> port 23, from what I remember from the last time I used it
[03:36] <bob2> spanglesontoast: so, you're all set
[03:36] <floater_> Hi. Does anyone know how I get my sound card drivers installed? I have to do modprobeing I heard but I don't really know how it works or where the driver is that I need. I have some old awe64 sound card
[03:36] <bob2> spanglesontoast: unless you have a silly firewall
[03:36] <bob2> floater_: is it ISA?
[03:36] <spanglesontoast> yea I think I messed my firewalls up
[03:36] <megabit> Can you give me some advise? I have got cardreader 4in1 in notebook. And I cant read none information from the cards.
[03:36] <hondje> dutch: I'd still look to the destination as the problem
[03:36] <bob2> megabit: does linux support it at all?
[03:36] <ablyss> g'morning
[03:37] <floater_> heh bob, I don't exactly know. I could go check and open the pc on the other room
[03:37] <bob2> megabit: try looking it up on www.linux-laptop.net
[03:37] <floater_> bob2: shuold I go check
[03:37] <bob2> floater_: yes
[03:38] <floater_> okiz
[03:38] <kbrooks> andnow
[03:38] <megabit> bob2, My notebook is not in list.
[03:39] <hondje> When you want to burn something, your burning app first takes everything and makes it into an .iso, and then burns that, right?
[03:39] <megabit> bob2,
[03:39] <jansen> bob2 my video card is the ATI can i use the Video Card control panel ?
[03:39] <dutch> hondje: won't connect...nmap doesn't show port 23 being open
[03:39] <megabit> bob2, my notebook - umax 4000CX
[03:39] <hondje> dutch: call the admin and yell at them :)
[03:39] <bob2> megabit: does google know about it in relation to linux?
[03:40] <bob2> hondje: most do, unfortunately, so you need 650MB of free disk space
[03:40] <bob2> hondje: there's no real need for that to happen, but most are slack and do that
[03:40] <bob2> jansen: "video card control panel"?
[03:40] <hondje> bob2: okay....what's the .iso equivalent for DVDs?
[03:40] <bob2> hondje: .iso
[03:40] <hondje> I want to do the hardpart here, and then just copy it to the laptop w/ burner
[03:40] <hondje> bob2: oh, that makes things easy :D
[03:41] <bob2> hondje: or they can be a UDF filesystem instead, depends what you're trying to do
[03:41] <bob2> I think video dvds are UDF
[03:41] <CyberSDF> Hello !
[03:41] <ablyss> does anyone know if Quota supports reiserFS ?
[03:41] <kbrooks> er
[03:41] <hondje> I want to put this video into a file that can be burned w/ a minimum of effort by my friend using windows
[03:41] <kbrooks> ablyss: ummm, dont think sp
[03:41] <CyberSDF> Anyone know where can i configure the mouse scroll (line number) ?
[03:41] <kbrooks> so*
[03:41] <bob2> ablyss: you mean if resierfs supports quota, then yes
[03:41] <kbrooks> ablyss: TIAS
[03:42] <bob2> CyberSDF: it depends on each app/toolkit
[03:42] <Ed_Gein> CyberSDF :xorg.conf
[03:42] <CyberSDF> bob2: no default somewhere ?
[03:42] <ablyss> that's interesting.. okay thanks
[03:42] <Ed_Gein> unless I don't understand your question
[03:42] <bob2> CyberSDF: there is, but it's set per app or toolkit
[03:43] <floater_> bob2 on windows profile of the card(awe64,16-bit) it says location: intel(somenumbers)pci to isa bridge(isa mode)
[03:44] <floater_> donno then where the location is :X checked from win xp
[03:44] <CyberSDF> Bon il parrait que c'est dfinissable par chaque app
[03:44] <floater_> is that isa then
[03:44] <spanglesontoast> lokkit isn't part of the normal setup of ubuntu?
[03:44] <bob2> what is "lokkit"?
[03:45] <spanglesontoast> a firewall
[03:45] <spanglesontoast> that's what it says
[03:45] <hondje> spanglesontoast: look into firestarter, pretty nice and simple
[03:45] <Ed_Gein> spanglesontoast :firestarter
[03:45] <spanglesontoast> I hate firestarter
[03:45] <bob2> no, ubuntu doesn't setup any firewalling rules by default
[03:45] <spanglesontoast> it's ugly and confuses me
[03:45] <bob2> there's no reason to
[03:45] <hondje> What don't you like about it?
[03:45] <kbrooks> ok
[03:45] <hondje> Oh, if you have qt libs installed, try guarddog, it's kinda fun
[03:46] <kbrooks> xfce
[03:46] <spanglesontoast> I don't understand it
[03:46] <kbrooks> right. installed
[03:46] <spanglesontoast> guarddog requires a webserver?
[03:46] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: no
[03:46] <hondje> Not last I used it
[03:46] <floater_> bob2 do you have any ideas how to  mopdprobe that card ?  and do you know if that pci to isa bridge(isa mode) mean isa or pci? :X
[03:46] <spanglesontoast> is there a way of seeing what firewalls are running?
[03:47] <Ed_Gein> floater_: modprobe "module name"
[03:47] <bob2> floater_: I'd assume isa, it would really be easier if you could just find out for sure
[03:47] <bob2> e.g. open it up
[03:47] <bob2> spanglesontoast: no
[03:47] <mof> spanglesontoast, sudo iptables -L
[03:47] <bob2> spanglesontoast: "sudo iptables -L -v -n" will show firewall rules, though
[03:48] <bob2> jansen: you're not using Debian, so you should not bother people in #debian
[03:48] <floater_> how do I know the module name that I have to do teh
[03:48] <bob2> jansen: if you want help with ubuntu, ask in here
[03:48] <Ed_Gein> floater_: google your card
[03:48] <hondje> #debian has mr dpkg though :-(
[03:48] <Ed_Gein> floater_: yOu might want to tyr google linux
[03:48] <bob2> hondje: which you can talk to via /msg
[03:48] <spanglesontoast> that's more confusing
[03:49] <spanglesontoast> shorewall was better
[03:49] <spanglesontoast> :D
[03:49] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: debian has it
[03:49] <hondje> bob2: Yeah, but can you /msg people in other chans?
[03:49] <bob2> hondje: of course
[03:49] <kbrooks> so does ubuntu
[03:49] <Mirzabah> hondje: sorry, got disconnected earlier. change perms on /etc/init.d/networking? can you explain in a bit more detail please?
[03:49] <kbrooks> hondje: yes and no
[03:49] <hondje> oh, cool....learn something every day, thanks bob2 :)
[03:49] <spanglesontoast> if I install shorewall
[03:49] <bob2> hondje: dpkg will ignore you unless you're in a channel with it, though, so you'll have to join #debian-bots
[03:49] <spanglesontoast> will it take control of the iptables?
[03:49] <hondje> bob2: oh, okay...thanks :)
[03:49] <jansen> bob2 thx a lot,and anyone can't me help
[03:49] <Methynutnut> spanglesontoast: did for me
[03:49] <marjorie> Im pretty sure gnome -cups is now useing hpijs, Its still printing blank pages tho
[03:50] <kbrooks> jansen: ask.
[03:50] <jansen> bob2 how to know what package i'm installed?
[03:50] <spanglesontoast> ah
[03:50] <hondje> Mirzabah: chmod a-x /etc/init.d/networking, and that should stop the automagic network configuration at boot, but it's an ugly quick fix
[03:50] <bob2> jansen: I don't understand your question
[03:50] <spanglesontoast> I have guarddog insalled
[03:50] <kbrooks> jansen: what is your native lang
[03:50] <Zukero> is there any other way than BT to get the Hoay DVD ?
[03:50] <bob2> hondje: 'sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/networking' is preferable
[03:50] <bob2> )but both work)
[03:50] <Zukero> *hoary
[03:50] <kbrooks> Zukero: mirrors
[03:51] <Mirzabah> hondje: thanks :) what's rc2.d?
[03:51] <hondje> bob2: oh, yes! You are wise, sir
[03:51] <jansen> kbrooks when i'm using the ubuntu always heatest than windows xp
[03:51] <jansen> kbrooks russian
[03:51] <hondje> Mirzabah: It's the dir that contains the start up scripts of all services that bootup whne you go into runlevel 2 (normal bootup)
[03:51] <bob2> hondje: (just because then update-rc.d can put it back, even if you forgot what you did)
[03:51] <hondje> well, not scripts, just symlinks, but eh
[03:51] <spanglesontoast> so why won't shameless.net not work?
[03:52] <dReadMoRe> how can i share my internet connection from ubuntu to windows? i have an usb modem configured with eciadsl
[03:52] <kbrooks> jansen: #ubuntu-ru
[03:52] <kbrooks> i think exists.
[03:52] <hondje> bob2: awesome....for a good year now when I don't have some gui thing I just rm the script, and reinstall the deb if I need it again
[03:52] <hondje> or chmod it, usually smarter
[03:53] <Zukero> kbrooks : On mirrors, ubuntu DVD is only BT....
[03:53] <kbrooks> Zukero: dunno.
[03:53] <Mirzabah> hondje: I got no networking in /etc/rc2.d, so I gues I'm good :)
[03:53] <Zukero> k...
[03:53] <hondje> Mirzabah: hrm, neither do I, that's odd
[03:54] <jansen> kbrooks sure,but there people few
[03:54] <jansen> kbrooks i'm feeling my laptop too heat
[03:55] <bob2> dReadMoRe: yeah
[03:55] <bob2> dReadMoRe: install the ipmasq package
[03:55] <candyban> Hi guys ... anyone familiar with setting up authentication via LDAP ? I managed to set it up yesterday, but my root fs crashed ... I reinstalled, did the same thing as yesterday (I think), but I get an error now: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info.
[03:55] <hondje> is there a way to get ls to show absolute path?
[03:55] <dReadMoRe> bob2,  and then? any configuration? or is only install that package?
[03:55] <spanglesontoast> shorewall keeps closing it's self
[03:56] <bob2> dReadMoRe: it'll ask you some questions
[03:56] <Jormundgand> This is infuriating. Firefox trunk build 2005-03-11 fixes the mousewheel bugs in 1.0.4 but nobody has bothered to issue any kind of fix.
[03:56] <kbrooks> Jormundgand: don't be MAD
[03:56] <bob2> Jormundgand: "nobody"?
[03:57] <Jormundgand> bob2: nobody. The bug reports are barren.
[03:57] <nova_> well off to reinstall ubuntu heh
[03:57] <kbrooks> Jormundgand: search hoary firefox
[03:57] <spanglesontoast> how come when using an emulated version of mirc I can get into irc.shameless.net
[03:57] <bob2> Jormundgand: in the mozilla bts?
[03:57] <Jormundgand> Just "works in this version, doesn't work in this version".
[03:57] <spanglesontoast> and in xchat it doesn't exist
[03:57] <dReadMoRe> bob2, is necessary to change anything in windows? or the configuration that i have to share connection from win to win, is ok?
[03:58] <bob2> dReadMoRe: get the windows machine to use the linux one as it's gateway
[03:58] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: cuz MIRC HAS A BUILTIN IDENTD SERVER DAMMIT
[03:58] <CoRzA> so when will breezy be safe to download?
[03:58] <spanglesontoast> so why doesn't mine work?
[03:58] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: can't you read?
[03:59] <spanglesontoast> yea
[03:59] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: xchat  doesnt have a builtin server on *nix
[03:59] <ompaul> CoRzA, about 4/5 months
[03:59] <bob2> kbrooks: come on dude
[03:59] <bob2> no need to attack people
[03:59] <ralf> kbrooks: kvirc has it
[03:59] <spanglesontoast> is there any irc programs that do?
[03:59] <Ti_Uhl> hello
[03:59] <Ti_Uhl> :)
[03:59] <bob2> spanglesontoast: dude
[03:59] <CoRzA> ... thats when its released
[03:59] <bob2> spanglesontoast: why do you think that would help?
[03:59] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: kvirc
[03:59] <scorpix> is cinit or initng will be in breezy?
[03:59] <candyban> spanglesontoast: just setup an identd
[03:59] <Ed_Gein> CoRzA : did you check the config file?
[03:59] <CoRzA> not yet
[04:00] <CoRzA> i'm going to download a fresh hoary
[04:00] <ralf> scorpix: what's better between cinit and initng?
[04:00] <CoRzA> the hoary i have is a preview
[04:00] <hondje> Mirzabah: still around?
[04:00] <Ed_Gein> a preview?
[04:00] <spanglesontoast> well I thought I had a identd server
[04:00] <spanglesontoast> so I can access it
[04:00] <CoRzA> yeah like a build before the release
[04:00] <scorpix> ralf: http://linux.schottelius.org/cinit/ and http://jw.dyndns.org/initng/
[04:00] <CoRzA> but it used to work on my onboard
[04:00] <snowseal> how to spy on a loggeed in user, im root ?
[04:00] <Mirzabah> hondje: yep
[04:00] <candyban> spanglesontoast: check netstat -ntpl | grep 113
[04:00] <hondje> Oddly, /etc/rc0.d/S35networking...doesn't that mean start networking?  I thought rc0.d was shutdown?
[04:00] <Ed_Gein> CoRzA : once you update everything it shouldn't matter
[04:01] <ralf> scorpix: did you get initng working on ubuntu?
[04:01] <ompaul> CoRzA, well you can use it today, however if you choose before the date that it is 'safe' i.e. released stuff will break and you will not be happy so my definition of safe is when it is released not a release candidate
[04:01] <hondje> Mirzabah: found the thing you want to delete in other places
[04:01] <CoRzA> ompaul: thats why i'm downloading it
[04:01] <bob2> spanglesontoast: so
[04:01] <spanglesontoast> tcp6       0      0 :::113                  :::*                    LISTEN
[04:01] <CoRzA> 59% downloaded
[04:01] <Mirzabah> ok. I'm running a test atm, let you know how I go
[04:01] <bob2> spanglesontoast: you did basic network troubleshooting to make sure the problem isn't with firewalls?
[04:01] <scorpix> ralf: i didn't try, but someone post in a mailing list that he did it.
[04:01] <candyban> spanglesontoast: then you have an identd running
[04:01] <ompaul> CoRzA, you may have different values for safe
[04:01] <kbrooks> spanglesontoast: irc.ipv6.freenode.net
[04:01] <CoRzA> ompaul: what are u talking about
[04:02] <hondje> Mirzabah: look in /etc/rc0.d for the networking one, or just do the permissions thing if it's not to be permanent
[04:02] <CoRzA> i'm downloading the Hoary Release
[04:02] <voth> is there a par/par2 application i can use under ubuntu?
[04:02] <snowseal> how would i log a users shell commands ?
[04:02] <candyban> Anyone familiar with setting up an LDAP user authentication system?
[04:02] <ompaul> CoRzA, you asked when would it be safe, I tell you, your version of what you are willing to live with may be different
[04:02] <bob2> snowseal: you wouldn't
[04:02] <spanglesontoast> * Looking up irc.ipv6.freenode.net
[04:02] <spanglesontoast> * Connecting to sterling.freenode.net (2001:898:2000:3::1) port 6667...
[04:02] <spanglesontoast> * Connection failed. Error: Network is unreachable
[04:02] <bob2> snowseal: if you don't trust them, don't give them an account
[04:02] <CoRzA> ompaul: ohhhh ok yep
[04:02] <snowseal> hmm. but it is possible
[04:02] <bob2> spanglesontoast: you don't have ipv6 connectivity, that is to be expected
[04:03] <spanglesontoast> oh yea
[04:03] <novaflare> you know the only thing i see wrong with the ubuntu install?
[04:03] <spanglesontoast> I hate ipv6
[04:03] <bob2> spanglesontoast: did you actually check if your firewall is screwed or not?
[04:03] <bob2> that should be your first step
[04:03] <candyban> spanglesontoast: why?
[04:03] <hondje> novaflare: what's that, man?
[04:03] <bob2> if it is, even running mirc won't help
[04:03] <spanglesontoast> well I'm not sure if i still have any installed
[04:03] <novaflare> it would be nice if it hasd any and all prompts for input like username host name etc in one place or right after each other
[04:04] <novaflare> then it would be a set and forget install
[04:04] <bob2> why?
[04:04] <ompaul> CoRzA, and the word values was used in the way that one might say 1+1=3 but only for very large values of 1
[04:04] <bob2> spanglesontoast: so
[04:04] <CoRzA> yer
[04:04] <bob2> spanglesontoast: go install it again and think things through before guessing
[04:04] <novaflare> type in or select computer specific settings hit enter and go
[04:04] <CoRzA> anyway the best way to share a partition.. use fat32?
[04:05] <novaflare> heh spanglesontoast you hose your ubuntu install?
[04:05] <ompaul> CoRzA, within Linux ext3 reiser or with windows fat32
[04:05] <spanglesontoast> not reinstalling
[04:06] <lok> CoRzA: you can read ext3 from win and read ntfs from nux you don't need a fat32 partition
[04:06] <novaflare> blast i knew i forgot something
[04:06] <spanglesontoast> going to give kirc a try
[04:06] <floater_> bob2: http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/Soundblaster-AWE-HOWTO.txt
[04:06] <novaflare> i ment to copy the part of my xorg conf for my mouse
[04:07] <bob2> spanglesontoast: how will that help?
[04:07] <floater_> do I have to follow those instructiosn really hmmm.... I don't have internet connection so I can't download the linux-kernel-<version> which is required probably
[04:07] <spanglesontoast> see if it's xchat being a pain
[04:07] <hondje> novaflare: did you do a reinstall of ubuntu?
[04:07] <novaflare> this is my 3rd one hondje heh
[04:07] <bob2> spanglesontoast: xchat has nothing to do with identd at all
[04:08] <spanglesontoast> hmmph
[04:08] <bob2> spanglesontoast: think this through, and eliminate the most likely possiblilities first
[04:08] <hondje> novaflare: hehe, at least this distro isntalls, eh?
[04:08] <novaflare> working on get absolute best performance out of my card
[04:08] <bob2> spanglesontoast: most likely, your firewall is screwed
[04:08] <novaflare> yeh and nicly
[04:08] <hondje> card? what card, novaflare ?
[04:08] <novaflare> 9k radeon pro 128 meg agp
[04:08] <bob2> floater_: you don't need to compile anything
[04:08] <bob2> floater_: start from section 3.4
[04:08] <novaflare> this time i made a shell script to essenitialy do it all  at once
[04:08] <hondje> oh, gfx card
[04:09] <novaflare> yeh
[04:09] <novaflare> brb
[04:09] <hondje> novaflare: might be good off asking in ATu forum
[04:09] <chillywilly> anyone use azureus? is it free/open source software?
[04:09] <hondje> they have some guys there that know all about ati :)
[04:09] <bob2> chillywilly: yes, it's on sourceforge, they have the license displayed pretty prominently
[04:09] <floater_> so basically I jusdt do modprobe -a sound
[04:10] <Ray|v|an-1010> how can i remove safely a usb drive
[04:10] <bob2> chillywilly: of course, it's sillily written in java, so it requires non-free software to actually use
[04:10] <hondje> why odn't people like the bittorrent thing that comes in the std install?
[04:11] <bob2> they're not used to its..sparseness
[04:11] <hondje> oh
[04:11] <bob2> or they don't leave everything in screen ;)
[04:11] <random__> i just installed ubuntu and it isn't recognizing my soundcard so i have no sound. i dont have onboard its a creative soundblaster live 24bit
[04:11] <hondje> I haven't really used bittorrent for anything but one liveCD
[04:11] <Mirzabah> hondje: weirdness. I didn't exactly chmod init.d/networking, but it gave me something to try. When I reboot it takes an awfully long time to confgiure the network, but eventually gets through it and  then immediately bitches about not being able to resolve a time server name, but by the time my desktop comes up the network is running fine.
[04:12] <Mirzabah> Weird thing is, modprobe is telling me that acx_pci is installed, but the file just isn't there.
[04:12] <hondje> Mirzabah: hrm, perhaps DNS is taking awhile?
[04:12] <hondje> Mirzabah: Sadly, I'm a regular scientist-in-training, and not a computer scientist-in-training :(
[04:13] <Ed_Gein> Azureus used to be a great bt client now its screwed
[04:13] <Mirzabah> hoondje: ok. you've been a great help anyway. thanks :)
[04:13] <hondje> All I know about it is that a whole lot of people complain about mem leaking with azureus in a forum I frequent
[04:13] <Mirzabah> bfn
[04:14] <hondje> Mirzabah: I aim to please :) Holler back if you need something odd like openGL in matlab :)
[04:14] <Ed_Gein> I get constant NAT errors with the latest Azureus
[04:14] <Mirzabah> hahahaha will do ;)
[04:14] <raaf258> Is there a way to watch keyboard events? Cause when i play the game Tactical Ops and press 'ctrl' (my duck key) and 'a' (my walk left key). It fires a left mouse button event. I dunno if it is Ubuntu specific problem or Tactical ops.
[04:14] <Seveas> raaf258, try xev
[04:14] <raaf258> ty
[04:15] <hondje> raaf258: dmesg will show stuff if it's odd, xev will track everything
[04:15] <smoky_> hi there, i am using ubuntu hoary for about 2 weeks now, and the only thing that makes me crazy is this unstable gnome desktop and nautilus
[04:15] <raaf258> ty Seveas and hondje
[04:15] <smoky_> everytime i want to transfer big files, it freezes
[04:15] <islander> hi everybody
[04:15] <smoky_> am i the only one with such problems?
[04:15] <hondje> random__: dcc stuff doesn't seem to work for me :)
[04:16] <islander> I need some support installing a decodeer in ubuntu
[04:16] <chillywilly> bob2: they should rewrite it in python ;)
[04:16] <smoky_> nautilus is si UNSTABLE
[04:16] <hondje> smoky_: transfer over smb, nfs?
[04:16] <random__> bah
[04:16] <hondje> feel free to /msg me
[04:16] <smoky_> no, fat partitons or ftp
[04:16] <hondje> oh, hrm
[04:16] <smoky_> such things
[04:16] <hondje> it's incredibly slow over ssh
[04:16] <spanglesontoast> would you believe it
[04:16] <bob2> islander: best to just ask your question
[04:16] <spanglesontoast> it works on kvirc
[04:16] <smoky_> ssh never worked for me
[04:17] <smoky_> with gnome, i had to use scp
[04:17] <hondje> I can't get it working with smb, though rox, xffm, konq, and finder in OS X all can see the samba box
[04:17] <islander> where can I download a decoder for totem and how can I installed
[04:17] <smoky_> but has anyone problems with it too?
[04:18] <bob2> islander: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:18] <hondje> smoky_: nautilus is great, IMHO, for being lazy and dealing with files, but over a network it sucks for anything other than NFS, in my experience
[04:19] <smoky_> yes, but it crashes so often for me, thats not nice...
[04:19] <smoky_> ubuntu is such a beaty distro with such an UNSTABLE fiole manager
[04:19] <hondje> oh, I don't get crashes, that's odd
[04:19] <smoky_> i could go crazy!!!
[04:19] <bob2> smoky_: have you filed bugs about it?
[04:19] <smoky_> no, not yet
[04:20] <bob2> please do
[04:20] <smoky_> want to know first if i am the only one with that kind of problems
[04:20] <smoky_> but its not only one pc
[04:20] <smoky_> its a desktop and a notebook that gives such problems
[04:21] <smoky_> maybe i could minimize the problems if i tune my hd-settings? hdparm.conf?
[04:21] <hondje> hdparm.conf rules :)
[04:21] <novaflare> on secound part of ubuntu install heh
[04:21] <smoky_> what is important? 32 bit mode, what else?
[04:22] <spanglesontoast> nova did you get that thing working in the end?
[04:22] <novaflare> no
[04:22] <novaflare> i totaly hosed it
[04:22] <spanglesontoast> ah
[04:23] <islander> does the server version of ubuntu comes with a gui
[04:23] <toxicfume> Why is it that when i download and install new packages, like Opera for instance, the installed programs aren't displayed in the Gnome panel at all?
[04:23] <novaflare> i highly doubt this will be my last hoseing and reinstalling of ubuntu
[04:23] <spanglesontoast> brb
[04:23] <bob2> islander: there is no server version
[04:23] <toxicfume> How am i supposed to know where to start them from? (i know i can type the ame of the app in terminal, but i may not always remember the names)
[04:23] <bob2> islander: but the server install does not install X or anything
[04:23] <novaflare> ill likly be doing this a few dozen more times
[04:23] <bob2> toxicfume: you'd have to talk to the opera people about that
[04:23] <bob2> novaflare: how do you keep breaking it?
[04:24] <islander> thank you Bob
[04:24] <novaflare> by winter ill prob be on a install thats last for a long time
[04:24] <novaflare> learnign bob2
[04:24] <toxicfume> bob2: it's not only opera, even other apps. Is this app specific issue? or is this normal with Gnome?
[04:24] <bob2> earning what?
[04:24] <islander> I am a newbie in Linux world and
[04:24] <bob2> toxicfume: it's an app issue
[04:24] <novaflare> i entered in to this knowing id break it often
[04:24] <novaflare> learnign i mean
[04:24] <novaflare> i hate ms natural keyboards
[04:24] <toxicfume> bob2: alright, so if i add other apps, they should appear in the gnome menu right?
[04:24] <bob2> novaflare: yes, but how do you make a system unusable while learning?
[04:24] <islander> and honestly, I think is great
[04:24] <bob2> toxicfume: if the apps are setup correctly, yes
[04:24] <bob2> toxicfume: many are not
[04:24] <novaflare> messing with things i shouldnt
[04:25] <novaflare> things i should but in the wrong way
[04:25] <novaflare> like i got my system to the point last night where i coulldnt launch cedega because i wasnt the owner
[04:25] <novaflare> and my vid drivers were totaly messed up etc
[04:25] <islander> one of the thing that I was thinking was if the developer bring like a smoother desktop such as Longhorn nobody will beat Linux
[04:26] <hondje> Linux can't ever 'win' :)
[04:26] <novaflare> once im satisfied this time ill probably make a back up of the isntall
[04:26] <bob2> islander: what do you think gnome needs to compete with longhorn?
[04:26] <hondje> The day it gets friendly enough for my mom, the day people fork like mad :)
[04:27] <hussam> Is there a cl command to clear the contents of a text file without actually deleting it?
[04:27] <Ed_Gein> Ubuntu + Gnome is almost a perfect replacement for anything Windows has to offer
[04:27] <hussam> *plain text file
[04:27] <islander> no, I don't think that gnome needs to compete with anybody, what I am saying is that I will love gnome to be smoother and shiny or even better than longhorn
[04:27] <hondje> islander: look at e17
[04:27] <novaflare> ill tell you with things like cedega (winex) letting people play windows games on linux at or nearly the same performance
[04:28] <hondje> enlightenment v17, to be more clear
[04:28] <novaflare> linux could put a dent in windows market share
[04:28] <islander> what is e17
[04:28] <hondje> novaflare: diablo 2 runs better in wine than windows
[04:28] <hondje> er, cedega
[04:28] <novaflare> yeh so i heard
[04:28] <bob2> hussam: cat /dev/null > /path/to/file
[04:28] <bob2> islander: I'm just wondering what you think is missing :)
[04:28] <novaflare> i think with the ati rpm drivers rubies might be the secound game to do that i kno of
[04:28] <hondje> islander: http://www.enlightenment.org/Enlightenment/DR17.html
[04:28] <hussam> bob2: thanks :)
[04:28] <novaflare> know of even
[04:29] <novaflare> rubies on my windows boot runs at about 20 to 22 fps (at most)
[04:29] <novaflare> on cedega its at like 12 in 1024x768 same settigns as windows
[04:29] <bob2> e17 is a long way from being feature-compettive with gnome
[04:30] <bob2> and lacks things like application support and the HIG
[04:30] <bob2> hussam: np!
[04:30] <novaflare> if the ati rpm drivers give me 50% more frame rate as some claimed then ill have same performance as windows
[04:30] <islander> I guess that there is nothing missing, what I am saying is that I know that the gnome could be more beautiful and more friendly and obviuosly is more powerful than widows and could have a better gui
[04:30] <bob2> islander: suggestions welcome :-)
[04:30] <novaflare> hell islander any linux desk top can
[04:31] <novaflare> look at kde for example
[04:31] <novaflare> bob2 i got one sugestion for gnome
[04:31] <hondje> Me too: wobbly windows :D
[04:31] <novaflare> be able to right click desk top for a popup applications menu
[04:31] <novaflare> that imo would make  gnome great
[04:31] <hondje> like xfce has?
[04:32] <ompaul> what is the suggested cdburner for gnome
[04:32] <novaflare> but xfce has no icons on desk top
[04:32] <bob2> that's simple to do, but I don't think many people use it
[04:32] <novaflare> while you all may not like them
[04:32] <bob2> ompaul: nautilus
[04:32] <ompaul> thanks
[04:32] <raisen> how do u enable acpi
[04:32] <novaflare> i do because theres a hand full i need and want
[04:32] <bob2> raisen: it's already enabled
[04:32] <hondje> novaflare: you can have icons if you use nautilus for desktop, like in gnome
[04:32] <raisen> i tuirend it off on installation
[04:32] <novaflare> but why bother with all that?
[04:32] <islander> I've seen the longhorn desktop already and I wish to have the knowledge to develope a great theme and design of a gnome desktop in Linux
[04:32] <raisen> i ran with acpi=off
[04:32] <raisen> command
[04:33] <bob2> raisen: how did you do that?
[04:33] <novaflare> build in the right click menu function in to gnome
[04:33] <bob2> raisen: then edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:33] <raisen> or is that only that one time
[04:33] <raisen> kayz
[04:33] <hondje> novaflare: I think that might go against the interface guidlines
[04:33] <novaflare> i think what bob2 wanted sugestions about is new/ish user freindlyness
[04:33] <Vjaz> Hello. I have a fresh installation of Hoary, and I noticed that Firefox seems to be severely broken. I get XML error pages from just about everything except just browsing. For example, trying to save a file generates an XML error page. Anyone else have this problem?
[04:34] <Ed_Gein> why is it so hard for people to read the ubuntuguide.org
[04:34] <voth> is there any way to format a fw drive under ubuntu? I only have drx permission at the moment on this drive.
[04:34] <novaflare> if i was a programer id make a new add on for gnome
[04:34] <bob2> Vjaz: did you update while it was running?
[04:34] <novaflare> one that adds right click menus to desk top
[04:34] <islander> Everything in Linux is just perfect and comprehensive is just a matter of details in the icons and menus (this is my personal perspective)
[04:34] <bob2> voth: formatting has nothing to do with permissions
[04:34] <hondje> novaflare: I'm just saying, ubuntu can't control gnome, if it's against the rules it won't happen, probably
[04:35] <novaflare> yeh true
[04:35] <raisen> how do u load alsa driver?
[04:35] <bob2> raisen: they get loaded at boot
[04:35] <voth> bob2, ok. true. but how would I go about formating this drive
[04:35] <novaflare> but the ubuntu devs could put a bug in the ear of the gnome devs
[04:35] <raisen> my sound doesnt wokr
[04:35] <raisen> rihgt now
[04:35] <bob2> voth: with mkfs
[04:35] <Vjaz> bob2: Hm... I might have. There were some packages that needed an upgrade after the installation.
[04:35] <raisen> its using intel driver for my sigmatel
[04:35] <bob2> novaflare: you could propose it
[04:35] <hondje> true
[04:35] <raisen> how do i change it to using Alsa sound driver
[04:35] <raisen> or OSS?
[04:35] <bob2> Vjaz: quit and restart it
[04:35] <bob2> Vjaz: firefox doesn't like being upgraded while it's running (known bug)
[04:36] <Vjaz> bob2: Yep. That helped. Thanks.
[04:36] <novaflare> i prob will bob once its more fleshed out in my mind
[04:36] <hondje> gnome devs have a bad rep for not caring what users think :) OSNews gossip is fun
[04:36] <novaflare> as to what i would like to see
[04:36] <bob2> Vjaz: np
[04:36] <novaflare> ubuntu back up and running
[04:36] <novaflare> in 36 minutes
[04:36] <novaflare> beat that with a windows install lol
[04:36] <Vjaz> bob2: I should had tried that, but I was under the impression it was still a fresh installation, so I figured restarting was pointless.
[04:36] <bob2> hondje: you realise gnome has had actual paid interface testing done?
[04:36] <bob2> Vjaz: ah
[04:36] <hondje> bob2: Yes, and I agree with their design ideas
[04:36] <raisen> anyone know how to reassign drivers?
[04:36] <voth> bob2, can you give me an example of how to use mkfs, the man pages aren't really clear
[04:37] <bob2> voth: mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sdd
[04:38] <raisen> currently
[04:38] <raisen> my sound doesnt wokr
[04:38] <xf__> hi there, how does one recompile the linux-restricted-modules package (to depend/install against a custom installed kernel)?
[04:38] <bob2> it's not simple
[04:38] <Vjaz> bob2: User interface testing doesn't actually equal "caring what users think".
[04:39] <Haldrik> Hey guys...gnomemeeting and camstream both say my /dev/video0 is busy, but I don't know what program could be using it...Isn't there a command line that will output which processes are using a particular device?
[04:39] <bob2> Vjaz: how so?  you think they paid for it then ignored the results?
[04:39] <xf__> bob2: care to elaborate?
[04:39] <bob2> Haldrik: fuser -v /dev/video0
[04:39] <hondje> Vjaz: They have reasons, but their being tired of explaining to every request got them a bad rep
[04:39] <Vjaz> bob2: GNOME is concerned about usability a lot, but often if a user says "I would really like feature X." they might not listen.
[04:39] <hondje> Not bad like #debian bad, but pretty bad
[04:39] <bob2> Vjaz: see, users can't just say "I want foo" and complain if foo doesn't get implemented
[04:39] <Vjaz> bob2: No, but I think the people doing the testing aren't actual users.
[04:40] <bob2> Vjaz: how do you know that?
[04:40] <bob2> xf__: actually, getting the source package and twiddling debian/rules and debian/control is probably enough
[04:40] <hondje> Here's a thought....what's better, their following a strict set of guidelines, or KDE's free-for-all?
[04:40] <Vjaz> bob2: I don't, but it'd be a pretty stupid test if all the testers were experienced GNOME-users.
[04:40] <xf__> bob2: i've got the source package, it appears not to have a whole lot in it
[04:40] <hondje> why experienced? Why not newbies?
[04:40] <bob2> Vjaz: of course, hence I'd be very surprised if they did that
[04:41] <hondje> I'd imagine that'd be better
[04:41] <bob2> hondje: Vjaz is assuming their testing was designed to say "do what you're doing!"
[04:41] <hondje> ah, I misunderstood
[04:41] <novaflare> in any test of software you want both newbies to it and experts
[04:41] <hondje> If that was the case, gnome2 would be more like gnome1
[04:42] <novaflare> ofte it will be the totaly unexpoerianced who find a bug that every one else will miss
[04:42] <voth> bob2, dumb question but how would I determine which 'device' to use in mkfs -t ext3 /dev/??? to make sure its the fw drive and not any other drive.
[04:42] <Haldrik> Got it! Thanks bob2!
[04:42] <novaflare> often even
[04:42] <xlumin> Hi all, i'm havin issues with grub on hoary
[04:42] <bob2> voth: you need to know what it is
[04:42] <bob2> voth: and look through the output of "dmesg"
[04:42] <xlumin> i've just put in a new hdd to replace the one with my /boot partition on
[04:42] <Vjaz> The only thing I'm assuming is that they had a broad range of interface testers some of whom had no idea what GNOME was before the tests. And the point is that the testers don't equal to the users who are elsewhere pleading for features to be implemented etc.
[04:43] <xlumin> i've copied across all the old /boot to the new /boot
[04:43] <thr1ce> damn, breezy hasn't been fixed yet?
[04:43] <xlumin> and even copied across the mbr..
[04:43] <bob2> thr1ce: it's not intended for users for a while yet
[04:43] <hondje> Vjaz: I see what you mean....any example of a heavily demanded feature they won't put in?
[04:43] <bob2> xlumin: why do you have a seperate /boot at all?
[04:43] <thr1ce> bob2, :(
[04:43] <bob2> xf__: seems to be a seperate source package for each kernel version
[04:43] <bob2> xf__: get the linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10 package or so
[04:44] <xlumin> cos I'm movin it to the new hdd..
[04:44] <Vjaz> bob2: I don't have an example of that, except that I'm pissed that there's no menu editor.
[04:44] <hondje> Vjaz: That has to do with meeting FDO stds IIRC
[04:44] <hondje> It'll be back in 2.12
[04:44] <thr1ce> gcc is used to compile the kernel, right?
[04:44] <hondje> Or I'm totally lying to you :)
[04:44] <Vjaz> bob2: But it's more of a comparison to KDE. I understand they've been quite "helpful" in implementing a lot of stuff users requested, which has resulted in crowded menus and such.
[04:44] <bob2> thr1ce: yes...
[04:44] <xlumin> thing is, I can't get grub to install itself properly on the new hdd
[04:44] <Vjaz> hondje: FDO stds?
[04:45] <hondje> Vjaz: Sounds a lot like the old linux vs bsd style of development flamewars
[04:45] <xlumin> so when I try an boot off it it goes:
[04:45] <hondje> Vjaz: freedesktop.org, sorry
[04:45] <Vjaz> Ah, ok.
[04:45] <xlumin> GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB
[04:45] <raisen> ok i somehow hanged ubunut
[04:45] <xf__> bob2: yeah, i did that, i've now modified debian/control to only compile against my custom kernel name, now trying dpkg-buildpackage - that sound like the general gist?
[04:45] <xlumin> etc..
[04:45] <hondje> I recall being told that they needed more work on it and couldn't get it in 2.10
[04:45] <bob2> xlumin: right
[04:45] <xlumin> any ideas?
[04:45] <xf__> hmm.. is there a list of gpg keys i can import of ubuntu dev's?  gpg/dpkg-buildpackage is complaining
[04:46] <Vjaz> hondje: It was there in 2.8, so I don't know about that...
[04:46] <bob2> xf__: right
[04:46] <bob2> xf__: just build with with "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us -nc"
[04:46] <hondje> Vjaz: yeah...if you ask in #gnome, they'll explain it with only mild annoyance
[04:46] <xf__> bob2: what do those particular arguments do?
[04:46] <bob2> xf__: the gpg error is because it can't find their *private* key, which is presumably not available ;p
[04:46] <xxenon> after changing /etc/network/interfaces , shouldnt "/etc/init.d/networking restart" reconfigure my ifaces ?
[04:46] <bob2> xf__: no sign, no sign, don't clean
[04:46] <xf__> bob2: oh, heh, right :)
[04:46] <thr1ce> will grub pick up a kernel that I compile myself?
[04:46] <xf__> might hack it to sign with my key, then
[04:47] <hondje> thr1ce: try update-grub, but it probably won't work
[04:47] <Vjaz> Heh. I don't mind that much right now. It's not really all that common for myself to need editing the menus. There are some apps that don't appear there though. It's an annoyance for me, but not big.
[04:47] <thr1ce> what must be edited?
[04:47] <jeroen_> Vjaz, you can edit ~/.local/applications
[04:47] <hondje> Vjaz: It's annoying to me, since smeg doesnt' work and I have a bunch of KDE apps in my gnome menus
[04:47] <bob2> cadaver: can you not?
[04:47] <jeroen_> Vjaz, sorry: ~/.local/share/applications
[04:48] <cadaver> bob2, sry
[04:48] <hondje> Is dict broken?
[04:48] <jeroen_> hondje, ~/.local/share/applications edit these to edit your menus
[04:49] <hondje> jeroen_: oh, awesome...thank you very much :)
[04:49] <boopop> how come when I try to add mp3s to the music player's library nothing happens?
[04:49] <hondje> jeroen_: will it do only gnome, or KDE too?
[04:49] <jeroen_> hondje, I think both
[04:49] <thr1ce> kde is very easy to edit the menu
[04:49] <bob2> boopop: did you read wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats yet?
[04:49] <jeroen_> hondje, I think you can also hide your kde entries from gnome; not sure though
[04:49] <jaysinn> I was told to un comment the universe from the apt get source file.  Where is that file located?
[04:49] <hondje> oh, I don't mind KDE menus being torn up, they're already a cluster-f* :)
[04:49] <hondje> jaysinn: /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:49] <boopop> bob2: it will play mp3s
[04:50] <jaysinn> thanks
[04:50] <boopop> bob2: I sorted that out
[04:50] <bob2> ok
[04:50] <jaysinn> do you recommend a good text editor
[04:50] <xf__> bob2: ok, it built, but the resulting .deb's are like 20K big... sure that isn't right
[04:50] <chillywilly> anyone know where I can get the *newer* mplayer plugin
[04:50] <hondje> jaysinn: try sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:50] <thr1ce> vim is good
[04:50] <Vjaz> jeroen_: Yes, I know you can edit that directory, but it's not exactly user friendly.
[04:50] <jaysinn> thanks
[04:51] <hondje> jaysinn: if you want one for terminal, vim is awesome if you want to learn it, nano is nice and easy
[04:51] <bob2> xf__: but did it produce like 50 of the,?
[04:51] <boopop> bob2: and when I double click on one of the mp3s im trying to add, it adds them all until I close the music player, and they're not in the library next time I run the music player
[04:51] <jeroen_> Vjaz, I agree a menu editor should be included with Gnome
[04:51] <bob2> boopop: ok
[04:51] <novaflare> ahhh scrap
[04:51] <jaysinn> i have used vi in the past
[04:51] <xf__> bob2: no, i hacked the control file so it wuold only build the -686 images
[04:51] <novaflare> i forgot to reboot to mmy proper kernel
[04:51] <boopop> bob2: any ideas?
[04:51] <xf__> and it built them fine, just, there appears to be nothing in them
[04:51] <Vjaz> jeroen_: Also, I'm not sure if you can remove items that are in the default menu that way.
[04:51] <bob2> boopop: no, sorry
[04:51] <xf__> well, "built".  it made the deb's, i saw no compiling of the modules or whatever happening
[04:51] <bob2> I don't use rhythmbox
[04:51] <novaflare> and install the drivers etc for the k7 kernel
[04:51] <boopop> anybody?
[04:51] <jaysinn> i would just remove the comment from the universe servers right?
[04:51] <xlumin> menu editor will be in Gnome 2.12, if you don't mind waitin for breezy..
[04:52] <vanberge> hi guys...  i dont usually use gnome, but is it possible to change the splash that displays when gnome is loading ?
[04:52] <jeroen_> Vjaz, then you can use some /usr dir to remove these
[04:52] <bob2> jaysinn: yes
[04:52] <jeroen_> vanberge, yes it is
[04:52] <boopop> bob2: it just says loading songs, then nothing happens
[04:52] <random__> FATAL: Error inserting emu10k1 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/oss/emu10k1/emu10k1.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[04:52] <random__> help?
[04:52] <xf__> bob2: any clues?  do i need anything else installed to be able to build restricted-modules?
[04:53] <bob2> xf__: just it's build-dependencies
[04:53] <bob2> random__: someone compiled the module wrong
[04:53] <bob2> random__: I'd be very surprised if it came from ubuntu like that
[04:53] <vanberge> jeroen_, is there a how to ?
[04:53] <hondje> wow, that's a popular module :o
[04:53] <random__> i dont have the modules
[04:53] <jeroen_> vanberge, I'm looking it up right now
[04:53] <bob2> random__: yes, you do
[04:53] <random__> ok
[04:53] <cadaver> bob2, no.. the emu drivers on the ubuntu kernel are fine by default
[04:53] <hondje> random__: sudo apt-get install linux-686, maybe the module there would work
[04:53] <xf__> bob2: how does one find that out?
[04:53] <vanberge> jeroen_, im trying too
[04:53] <bob2> random__: what happened to break that?
[04:53] <bob2> hondje: that won't help
[04:54] <xf__> bob2: i assume you don't mean debian/control
[04:54] <hondje> No? Bummer
[04:54] <bob2> xf__: sudo apt-get build-dep linux-rstrictec...
[04:54] <boopop> anybody else have any ideas?
[04:54] <LinuxJones> random__, I am using the 2.6.10-5-k7 kernel and have no problem with the alsa driver
[04:54] <bob2> xf__: that's where they come from
[04:54] <Vjaz> jeroen_: Well removing stuff globally isn't all that nice if the computer has other users.
[04:54] <xf__> bob2: nothing really mentioned in there
[04:54] <jeroen_> vanberge, http://art.gnome.org/faq.php#q8 numero 8!
[04:54] <Vjaz> jeroen_: Also, the user might not have root rights.
[04:54] <ablyss> ubuntu-5.4-install-i386.iso < is this the current hoary ?
[04:54] <jeroen_> Vjaz, yep ;)
[04:54] <xf__> bob2: those apckages are installed
[04:54] <jeroen_> ablyss, yes
[04:54] <jeroen_> ablyss, 5.04
[04:54] <Vjaz> jeroen_: I think there's some way to ignore .desktop-files, but I'm not sure how.
[04:54] <vanberge> jeroen_, tx
[04:55] <LinuxJones> random__, sorry I didn't read everything you should be using the snd-emu10k1 alsa driver
[04:55] <ablyss> i tried installing 5.04 on my Ibm aptiva ( 800 mhz ) yesterday.. it would return an error half way through the install.. anyone ran into this sort of problem before?
[04:55] <jeroen_> Vjaz, display=no?
[04:55] <hondje> I'm glad the only thing my install didn't do write hardware wise was set up X :-) Luck is on my side
[04:55] <random__> LinuxJones: i dont know what that means i'm a new linux user
[04:55] <yccheok> in vsftpd, i enable anoyomous access. i use root account to create a soft link to drwxrwxrwx   2 yccheok yccheok 4096 2005-06-05 21:22 a located in /home/yccheok/Movie
[04:56] <yccheok> lrwxrwxrwx    1 0        0              23 Jun 05 14:53 Movies -> /home/yccheok/Movies/a/
[04:56] <Scorpinf> DMA problem, my module loads the drivers in this order
[04:56] <yccheok> but whenever i cd to Movies after login as anoymous, i just cannt change to tat directory
[04:56] <Vjaz> jeroen_: Maybe something like that.
[04:56] <boopop> help?
[04:57] <Scorpinf> ide-cd
[04:57] <Scorpinf> ide-disk
[04:57] <Scorpinf> ide-generic
[04:57] <Scorpinf> lp
[04:57] <Scorpinf> mousedev
[04:57] <Scorpinf> psmouse etc.... i read that the right driver must load first . does this look right
[04:57] <LinuxJones> random__, ok can you do lsmod and paste the output to www.pastebin.ca, then post the link here ?
[04:57] <jeroen_> Why doesn't nautilus play ogg encrypted files when you hover over them? (It does this with mp3 encrypted files)
[04:57] <bob2> ablyss: check the cd is fine
[04:57] <bob2> jeroen_: "encrypted"?
[04:57] <dReadMoRe> i've a usb modem configured with eciadsl, how can i share the internet connection to a pc with windows?
[04:57] <xf__> bob2: any clues?  i'm stuck
[04:58] <dReadMoRe> bob2, i've installed ipmasq
[04:58] <bob2> xf__: you installed all the build-dependencies?
[04:58] <dReadMoRe> bob2, what file do i have to configure?
[04:58] <xf__> bob2: sure, they were installed ages ago
[04:58] <xf__> unless i'm misunderstanding
[04:58] <bob2> xf__: don't know then, it should just work
[04:58] <bob2> dReadMoRe: none
[04:59] <xf__> bob2: could you clarify /exactly/ how i'd find the build-dependencies?
[04:59] <boopop> please can someone help me?
[04:59] <bob2> 00:54:08           bob2 | xf__: sudo apt-get build-dep linux-rstrictec...
[04:59] <corza> it worked without doing anything :)
[04:59] <dReadMoRe> bob2, none? so is only install ipmasq and is sharing the connection to windows?
[04:59] <novaflare> whats the command to see kernel version?
[04:59] <bob2> dReadMoRe: and telling it which interface to use
[04:59] <bob2> novaflare: uname -r
[05:00] <xf__> bob2: what are the exact name of those packages?  you mean build-essential and linux-restricted-modules-686 (apt-get source) ?
[05:00] <jeroen_> bob2, sorry, not encrypted ofcourse; compressed
[05:00] <dReadMoRe> bob2, where can i put the interface that i'm using?
[05:00] <LinuxJones> random__, first open a gnome-terminal and do rmmod soundcore
[05:00] <LinuxJones> random__, sorry sudo -s first that will get you an admin terminal
[05:00] <bob2> xf__: er?
[05:01] <bob2> xf__: the build-dependencies vary per-package.  run the command I gave you, obviously with the right name.
[05:01] <bob2> dReadMoRe: sudo dpkg-reconfigure ipmasq
[05:01] <xf__> bob2: i'm not entirely sure what the 'right name' is - i'm not following you
[05:01] <corza> argh ive forgotten how to change my monitors hz anyone fill me in?
[05:01] <LinuxJones> random__, yeah
[05:01] <jeroen_> corza, xorg.conf
[05:01] <jeroen_> corza, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:01] <bob2> xf__: right name = name of the source package you are trying to build
[05:01] <bob2> anyway, bye
[05:02] <xf__> bob2: sure, done that
[05:02] <xf__> ok, thanks anyway
[05:02] <LinuxJones> random__, ok rmmod sound
[05:02] <jeroen_> Why doesn't nautilus play ogg files when you hover over them? (It does this with mp3 files)
[05:02] <LinuxJones> random__, do lsmod again and those modules whould be gone
[05:02] <LinuxJones> *should
[05:03] <dReadMoRe> bob2, i do that i it never asks what interface i suppose to use
[05:03] <LinuxJones> random__, sorry dude I am hung over and not with it today :(
[05:03] <Jormundgand> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1962
[05:04] <corza> i dont see where to change it :|
[05:04] <corza> i remember goin in here but i cant see where to change the hz
[05:04] <boopop> how come when I try to add mp3s to the music player's library nothing happens?
[05:04] <boopop>  it just says loading songs, then nothing happens
[05:04] <boopop> and when I double click on one of the mp3s im trying to add, it adds them all until I close the music player, and they're not in the library next time I run the music player
[05:05] <nova> getting a error here dont know why
[05:05] <raisen> ok i htink i crashed the kernel
[05:05] <raisen> XD
[05:05] <nova> on ./make.sh for my ati rpm drivers (aleined to deb)
[05:05] <jeroen_> corza, search for VertRefresh or something like that in xorg.conf
[05:05] <nova> initializing...
[05:05] <nova> kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete
[05:05] <nova> then under that
[05:06] <nova> file: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h
[05:06] <dakz> how is it that i cant access my 2nd hd even if i can see it
[05:07] <dakz> ?
[05:07] <jeroen_> corza, HorizSync and VertRefresh in section "Monitor"
[05:07] <chocoIate> i get the following error : http://pastebot.nd.edu/1206
[05:07] <LinuxJones> random__, I think it depends on which model sb card you have have a peek here >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsSoundCards
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[05:07] <chocoIate> can anybody help :o
[05:08] <chocoIate> my error --> : http://pastebot.nd.edu/1206 any help highly appreciated :P
[05:08] <Number9> (specifically about voice chat)
[05:08] <dReadMoRe> i've a usb modem configured with eciadsl, how can i share the internet connection to a pc with windows?
[05:08] <corza> its not in there
[05:09] <jeroen_> corza, maybe you should add it?
[05:09] <Daylighthater> offtopic www.rolandgarros.fr exiting game :d
[05:09] <jeroen_> corza, I'm unsure
[05:09] <paringas> hi, guys, how do you playback you mic with kmix?
[05:10] <raisen> ubunutu has failed me
[05:11] <corza> k i've put it in how do i refresh it?
[05:12] <jaysinn> i just downloaded jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586-rpm.bin
[05:12] <jaysinn>  I thought I could just use ./ to run this and install it.  What is the command to install the java runtime enviroment
[05:12] <floater_> hey I did modprobe -a sound , if I restart sound system it says /smth like no such file or dir dev/audio
[05:13] <boopop> Can anyone help me please?
[05:13] <action09> hi all
[05:16] <cikilin> hello
[05:16] <drfanatic> hello! please help! my HP laserjet 1000 printer does not work with ubuntu
[05:16] <cikilin> how i change my password?
[05:17] <paringas> boopop: what can you see ./your_player_name in your user folder?
[05:17] <paringas> boopop: edit: no what
[05:17] <LinuxJones> drfanatic, you checked out gnome-cups-manager ?
[05:18] <LinuxJones> cikilin, passwd
[05:18] <drfanatic> who is the cups.manager?
[05:19] <cikilin> how i change my passw pls
[05:19] <cikilin> ?
[05:19] <LinuxJones> drfanatic, type sudo gnome-cups-manager then enter your users password when prompted
[05:19] <LinuxJones> cikilin, passwd
[05:19] <corza> how do i refresh my monitor hz?
[05:19] <drfanatic> thx... mom
[05:20] <drfanatic> ** (gnome-cups-manager:12618): WARNING **: failed request with status 1030
[05:20] <dReadMoRe> i've a usb modem configured with eciadsl, how can i share the internet connection to a pc with windows? :x
[05:20] <cikilin> linuxjones:cikilin@10:~ $ sudo gnome-cups-manager
[05:20] <cikilin> ** (gnome-cups-manager:12402): WARNING **: failed request with status 1030
[05:21] <LinuxJones> corza, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/RreprobeMonitor
[05:21] <LinuxJones> cikilin, your in the account that you used to install Ubuntu ?
[05:21] <boopop> how come when I try to add mp3s to the music player's library nothing happens?
[05:21] <cikilin> ?
[05:21] <boopop>  it just says loading songs, then nothing happens
[05:21] <cikilin> i am a beginner
[05:21] <boopop> and when I double click on one of the mp3s im trying to add, it adds them all until I close the music player, and they're not in the library next time I run the music player
[05:21] <mainer> use firestarter,read the docs at www.fs-security.com,use it to enable dhcp for your local network
[05:22] <cikilin> step by step
[05:22] <cikilin> pls
[05:22] <rnasklaved> boopop- try to add not yoo much at a time
[05:22] <dooglus> according to 'ifconfig', eth0 is downloading about 15k to 20k per second, but I'm not running and web browser, or anything else other than gaim and ssh, and netstat -ap doesn't show any other connections.
[05:23] <dooglus>  how might you explain that?
[05:23] <WhiteRabbit> network traffic?
[05:23] <dooglus> WhiteRabbit: wouldn't netstat show it up?
[05:23] <WhiteRabbit> inside network traffic vs outside traffic
[05:23] <Vjaz> boopop: You probably need to install the mp3-plugin. You'll need to enable the "universe" repository. Then install the package gstreamer0.8-mad .
[05:23] <WhiteRabbit> dooglus, netstat -antup
[05:24] <dooglus> WhiteRabbit: that shows 4 lines:  2 for gaim, one for ssh and a 'LISTEN' for ntop
[05:24] <nova> im done less some one cant tell me how to get rid of this crap mesa 3d garbage
[05:24] <boopop> Vjaz: no, i've done that, it plays mp3s it just won't add the mp3s to the library
[05:24] <Vjaz> Oh. That's odd.
[05:24] <floater_> hey how do I get dev/audio and /dev/dsp installed? ...cant get this fuggen awe64 to work
[05:24] <WhiteRabbit> dooglus, you are in a ssh session then or someone else to you is
[05:24] <nova> no matter what i try it stays
[05:25] <boopop> Vjaz: apart from feeder's music for some reason
[05:25] <dooglus> WhiteRabbit: I'm using ssh to talk to you now
[05:25] <Vjaz> I remember having some trouble with Rhythmbox, too.
[05:25] <dooglus> WhiteRabbit: irssi is running on a remote server
[05:25] <Vjaz> Adding songs.
[05:25] <boopop> even though they're all mp3s
[05:25] <nova> xorg drivers mesa 3d indirect atis converted to deb mesa crap 3d
[05:25] <WhiteRabbit> dooglus, how many channels are you in
[05:25] <nova> same thing
[05:25] <goldfish_> WhiteRabbit: /whois dooglus
[05:25] <boopop> rnasklaved: nope, still nothing
[05:25] <dooglus> WhiteRabbit: the download rate of 15 to 20k/s stays the same even if I disconnect the ssh session.
[05:25] <goldfish_> WhiteRabbit: will tell you
[05:25] <boopop> rnasklaved: it's adding some music
[05:25] <WhiteRabbit> goldfish_, not if he is private lol
[05:26] <goldfish_> WhiteRabbit: true :)
[05:26] <boopop> rnasklaved: but nothinh else
[05:26] <Vjaz> Which is why I moved to using amaroK at one point. It's pretty neat, although it requires quite a bunch of extra libraries because it's a KDE app.
[05:26] <WhiteRabbit> dooglus, pissed anyone off today?
[05:26] <dooglus> WhiteRabbit: and anyway, the other channels I'm in wouldn't cause network traffic between my and the remote irssi session - only between the remote irssi session and the irc server
[05:26] <dooglus> WhiteRabbit: maybe.
[05:26] <WhiteRabbit> dooglus, http://www.eth0.us/?q=sysctl
[05:26] <chocoIate> back
[05:27] <dooglus> ooh.  my Mum has stopped talking to me on gaim and it's dropped to zero.
[05:27] <rnasklaved> boopop - I had the same problem once, and it worked when I added them map by map....
[05:27] <toxicfume> Can someone here please send me acherhk-0.5.22? I can't access the official page anymore, it's down
[05:27] <dooglus> can gaim really cause 15000 bytes per second to be sent to me?  She doesn't even type very fast.
[05:27] <chocoIate> how about this, i got a trace of my pon ppp0 ; can some take a look and help, i just need to know why its failing and what i need to do : http://pastebot.nd.edu/1208
[05:27] <boopop> vjaz: any music players u can think of that work on ubuntu that has a library part to it
[05:28] <ksmurf> hello
[05:28] <ksmurf> I was getting an NOT ATHENTICATED error for my updates... will this be a problem?
[05:29] <boopop> Vjaz:?
[05:29] <ksmurf> boopop amarok
[05:29] <Vjaz> boopop: well amarok is one... then there's Muine, although that was a CPU hog if I remember right...
[05:30] <Amaranth> IIIEars: GOOD MORNING! ;)
[05:30] <Vjaz> boopop: amaroK is good if you're not afraid of installing KDE applications on your system.
[05:30] <boopop> and how would i install this amarok?, if u had noticed im a noob at linux :)
[05:30] <Amaranth> IIIEars: What was that about?
[05:30] <boopop> hadnt*
[05:30] <ksmurf> anyone have luck getting a serial wacom graphire going?
[05:30] <rnasklaved> anyone knows a .bin extractor for ubuntu?
[05:30] <resiak> rnasklaved: No such thing.
[05:30] <Amaranth> rnasklaved: bchunk
[05:30] <Amaranth> convert bin/cue to iso
[05:31] <nalioth> boopop: use synaptic
[05:31] <boopop> Vjaz: How would I install it?
[05:31] <Amaranth> doesn't always work
[05:31] <rnasklaved> I'll try bchunk....Thanks!
[05:31] <Vjaz> boopop: With apt-get or synaptic. It's in universe I think.
[05:31] <dReadMoRe> i've a usb modem configured with eciadsl, how can i share the internet connection to a pc with windows? :x
[05:31] <ksmurf> does the linux version of nero work for bin/cue?
[05:31] <Amaranth> rnasklaved: You could install wine and magiciso, it'll do the same thing but with a GUI.
[05:32] <Amaranth> ksmurf: people use the linux version of nero? :)
[05:32] <rnasklaved> nero linux is OK for CD's, but not for DVD
[05:32] <nalioth> ksmurf: the nero for linux is trash
[05:32] <ksmurf> Amaranth rofl...
[05:32] <Fator_Dee> and why even use it for cd's when there are alternatives that do both :-<
[05:32] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, it probably easiest to install firestarter and use a gui ;)
[05:32] <raDeon> LOL FIRESTARTER!!
[05:32] <raDeon> LMAO!
[05:32] <ksmurf> I was just asking the question..lol
[05:32] <raDeon> HAHAHAHA
[05:32] <raDeon> die.
[05:32] <raDeon> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA die.
[05:32] <Amaranth> rnasklaved: Oh, it's a DVD bin/cue? Not sure about that then.
[05:33] <LinuxJones> raDeon, stop spamming the channel
[05:33] <Amaranth> raDeon: ...
[05:33] <raDeon> LinuxJones, who's spamming?
[05:33] <Fator_Dee> raDeon: you should start practising to express yourself with more words
[05:33] <raDeon> hey what's up factor
[05:33] <raDeon> long time no see
[05:33] <LinuxJones> raDeon, you are stop it please
[05:33] <toxicfume> Can someone here please send me acherhk-0.5.22? I can't access the official page anymore, it's down
[05:33] <nalioth> Amaranth: binchunk should do the trick
[05:33] <toxicfume> i mean acerhk0.5.22.tgz
[05:33] <Fator_Dee> raDeon: yea, couldn't be here because I had to attend to my own graduation parties
[05:33] <rnasklaved> Fator_Dee - what program does both?
[05:34] <Amaranth> toxicfume: How would we have it? :)
[05:34] <Fator_Dee> rnasklaved: graveman, gnomebaker
[05:34] <nalioth> ksmurf: i personally try not to use non-open source proggys (esp when f/oss ones do so much better)
[05:34] <Fator_Dee> rnasklaved: k3b
[05:34] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, i've installed firestarter but when i try to start it is says that ppp0 is not ready and im using it because im surfing in the net
[05:34] <raDeon> Fator_Dee, don't get snooty with me
[05:34] <nalioth> rnasklaved: gmomebaker, graveman
[05:34] <Fator_Dee> raDeon: I'm I getting snooty with you? I was just informing you why I couldn't come here to talk with you :-<
[05:34] <Fator_Dee> *Am I
[05:34] <raDeon> you said it in a snooty way
[05:35] <Fator_Dee> I didn't mean that
[05:35] <ksmurf> nal: I am moving in that direction... But with my wacom not working I'm having trouble
[05:35] <raDeon> i couldn't be here because i had to attend my own graduation parties DUH YOU SUCH AN IDIOT!!
[05:35] <raDeon> that's the way i interpreted it
[05:35] <raDeon> like i should have some previous knowledge of where you were
[05:35] <rnasklaved> Fator_Dee - Thanks!
[05:35] <Chambers`> is k3b the only app for burning stuff?  Or does gnome have a native one?
[05:35] <Fator_Dee> raDeon: to be honest with you, I won't give a shit
[05:35] <raDeon> GROASTER
[05:35] <jeroen_> Chambers`, gnomebaker
[05:36] <nalioth> Chambers`: see the above posts
[05:36] <raDeon> Fator_Dee, good because i'm not interested in _receiving_ a shit
[05:36] <Chambers`> jeroen_: is it as good as k3b?
[05:36] <raDeon> Chambers`, nothing is as good as k3b
[05:36] <ksmurf> bbl
[05:37] <Chambers`> thanks guys
[05:37] <raDeon> no problem Chambers`
[05:37] <cikilin> is any way to change my password?
[05:37] <raDeon> cikilin, rm -rf /
[05:37] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ShareInternetConnection
[05:37] <toxicfume> Amaranth: maybe someone with a similar laptop has it :)
[05:37] <goldfish_> cikilin: dont do that
[05:37] <Chambers`> also quick question, is there an app (gui) that will mount iso's and such?  Sort of like Daemon Tools for Windows?
[05:37] <goldfish_> raDeon: shit the fuck up
[05:37] <norman> Hi all
[05:37] <goldfish_> *shut
[05:37] <raDeon> goldfish_, what's your problem?
[05:38] <goldfish_> raDeon: dont say that, someone actually ran that when someone in here told them.
[05:38] <cikilin> and?
[05:38] <nalioth> cikilin: do not run that command
[05:38] <raDeon> goldfish_, wish i was here to see that
[05:38] <cikilin> radeon u r nice
[05:38] <raDeon> cikilin, thanks
[05:38] <LinuxJones> raDeon, your acting like a tool for telling someone to do that
[05:38] <goldfish_> raDeon: :)
[05:38] <raDeon> i apologize
[05:38] <raDeon> no need to take any action
[05:38] <Amaranth> raDeon: Don't give advice like that again.
[05:39] <Amaranth> raDeon: I'm beginning to think you're only here to troll.
[05:39] <Myrtti> I'd spank him
[05:39] <raDeon> of course not
[05:39] <cikilin> so?
[05:39] <Myrtti> with CAT-5
[05:39] <raDeon> im just waiting for my ubuntu cds in the mail
[05:39] <cikilin> the way to change?
[05:39] <LinuxJones> Amaranth, he has done this on several occasions in the past :(
[05:39] <raDeon> i ordered 30 copies
[05:39] <Amaranth> raDeon: You'll get them when breezy ships. ;)
[05:39] <Amaranth> raDeon: Do you have a use for 30?
[05:39] <raDeon> i thought they were going to be hoary?
[05:39] <raDeon> Amaranth, im gonna distribute them to my skewl
[05:39] <WhiteRabbit> Im getting 550 copys
[05:40] <Amaranth> raDeon: They will be, but breezy will be out by then.
[05:40] <Amaranth> WhiteRabbit: You had better have a very important need for that many CDs.
[05:40] <oris_wolfbane> hey guys is ther away to boot a .iso from the harddrive?
[05:40] <Myrtti> not the sharpest knife in the box
[05:40] <WhiteRabbit> Amaranth, Im gonna do art on my wall with them!
[05:40] <goldfish_> rm -rf / should be automatically aliased by default to "NOT A CHANCE"
[05:40] <raDeon> KIK
[05:40] <WhiteRabbit> Amaranth, No I really have a good use for them
[05:40] <cikilin> is any way to change my password,pls
[05:40] <xabbu> cikilin, passwd <username>
[05:40] <Myrtti> or just passwd
[05:40] <cikilin> ?
[05:40] <WhiteRabbit> Amaranth, I have corp clients that eat the live cds up
[05:41] <cikilin> just passw
[05:41] <xabbu> passwd
[05:41] <cikilin> yes
[05:41] <cikilin> only passwd
[05:41] <nalioth> oris_wolfbane: i'm sure there is a arcane manner of doing it, but i'm gonna say generally NO
[05:41] <oris_wolfbane> nalioth, argh!, ok
[05:42] <LinuxJones> cikilin, passwd (enter current password) (enter new password)
[05:42] <IIIEars> WhiteRabbit - Do you customise them for your clients?
[05:42] <nalioth> cikilin: at the terminal, type "passwd" <enter>
[05:42] <Amaranth> I don't know of a way to boot an iso from the HD, you need to burn it to a CD.
[05:42] <boopop> vjaz: bah, this amarok aint working :(
[05:42] <raDeon> red hat lets you boot iso from hard drive
[05:42] <LinuxJones> Amaranth, you can use qemu
[05:42] <nalioth> boopop: wahts not working about it?
[05:42] <LinuxJones> Amaranth, it's very slow tho :)
[05:42] <xabbu> Isn't it possible to mount a iso?
[05:42] <boopop> vjaz: some error about the drivers
[05:42] <cikilin> cikilin@10:~ $  "passwd" <enter>
[05:42] <cikilin> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[05:42] <nalioth> the horns are getting bigger
[05:42] <Choubaka> xabbu: it is.
[05:43] <boopop> vjaz: and when I try to get it to play music, nothing happens
[05:43] <Amaranth> LinuxJones: Yeah, qemu is about 20x slower than vmware, even with kqemu.
[05:43] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, i only do the part of the server right?
[05:43] <nalioth> boopop: do you have all your restricted formats onboard?
[05:43] <xabbu> cikilin, Just type passwd in the console and press enter.
[05:43] <Choubaka> That's because VMware is quite different from qemu :)
[05:43] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, the client is a windows system
[05:43] <bob2> Amaranth: er, are you sure of that?
[05:43] <Choubaka> mount -o loop iso.image /mountpoint
[05:43] <boopop> vjaz: ?
[05:43] <Amaranth> bob2: i've used both, pretty sure
[05:43] <WhiteRabbit> IIIEars, I have been hyping linux & bsd every chance to my clients & its starting to pay off
[05:43] <WhiteRabbit> IIIEars, at times yes
[05:43] <boopop> I installed mp3 support if that's what u mean
[05:43] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, yeah on the Ubuntu system with the 2 nic cards
[05:43] <bob2> that's amazing
[05:44] <cikilin> i type it
[05:44] <IIIEars> A LightScribe Drive and a few webpages with your info and business links.
[05:44] <boopop> vjaz: what do i do to make sure?
[05:44] <nalioth> boopop: hmmm then we're out of my league
[05:44] <Amaranth> bob2: kqemu running iTunes on win2k was painful, running it on vmware (30 day trial) was like running it on a real computer
[05:44] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, i do what the file says, and isnt sharing the connection :S
[05:44] <xabbu> cikilin, Type in your previous password and when asked for
[05:44] <IIIEars> Ubuntu wins too. - don't get me wrong.
[05:44] <Chambers`> does gnome have a gui or anything for cdemu?
[05:45] <Amaranth> cdemu?
[05:45] <bob2> wow
[05:45] <Chambers`> it's like daemon tools.. mounts different types of image files
[05:45] <Choubaka> I don't think there's a GUI
[05:45] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, when i do "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" is supposed to echo something?
[05:45] <Choubaka> In _any_ distro.
[05:45] <Choubaka> :)
[05:45] <kiwnix> dReadMoRe, no
[05:45] <cikilin> xabbu is not working
[05:46] <xabbu> Okey
[05:46] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, did you configure your windows machine to use the Ubuntu machine for internet use....ie set the default gateway to point to the ubuntu box, then restart
[05:46] <kiwnix> dReadMoRe, you can test if its correct, by doing cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[05:46] <kiwnix> if it's 1... its ok :)=
[05:46] <Chambers`> or can gnome use a kde kicker applet?  Cause one is available
[05:47] <dReadMoRe> yes is says 1
[05:47] <IIIEars> reboot! reboot! reboot! gotta be windows linux doesn't wobble like that.
[05:47] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward it should output 1 if you set it correctly.
[05:47] <xabbu> cikilin, check pm
[05:47] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, yes it says that
[05:48] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, the computers are configured to work in lan, in windows
[05:48] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, perfect now configure your windows box to use the Ubuntu machine as gateway and it should work after rebooting the windows box
[05:48] <Redclawz> I had a folder in my trash can that i wanted to delete it. When i tried i got a permission error. I asked one of my good friends how do i delelte it and he gave me this line."sudo rm -rf ~/.Trash/*"IT worked, but now when i put something new in the trash can it does not update the icon
[05:48] <cikilin> ?
[05:48] <cikilin> pm
[05:48] <cikilin> xabbu pm?
[05:48] <xabbu> cikilin, private message
[05:49] <IIIEars> LinuxJones - is there a GUI for Samba? - I have the new user blues..
[05:49] <cikilin> thank you
[05:49] <cikilin> i did it
[05:49] <xabbu> Great.
[05:49] <cikilin> it worked
[05:49] <cikilin> ;)
[05:49] <novaflare> install number 4
[05:49] <novaflare> some one needs to delete the post about the ati rpm drivers or put a huge ass warnign on it
[05:49] <novaflare> it does not work
[05:50] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, in this line "$iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ethX -j MASQUERADE" i change ethX to ppp0 because i'm using eciadsl and i have a usb modem, did i do it well?
[05:50] <LinuxJones> |||Ears, there are a few around I think you can use webmin but google might offer some better options
[05:51] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, the ppp0 card is connected to the Internet and your ethernet card is connected to your network ?
[05:52] <novaflare> this howto = bad news http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495 dont use it less your willing to take a huge chance at hosing ubuntu
[05:52] <Eighth> hey all, i'm trying to install planeshift and it tells me 'dialog: command not found'
[05:52] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, yes
[05:52] <novaflare> its smoked my install twice now
[05:52] <boopop> nalioth: how do I install an engine
[05:53] <ilba7r> hi anyone know how can i set my wirless network on my notebook
[05:53] <nalioth> novaflare: that goes for ANY of ubuntuguide.org (imho)
[05:53] <nalioth> boopop: what kind of engine, and what hardware are you running?
[05:53] <boopop> cause there's no 'engine' to select from on the amarok settings
[05:53] <novaflare> no most of ones i used work fine
[05:53] <novaflare> but that one has major problems
[05:53] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, i restart the windows computer and doesnt work
[05:53] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, that sounds good
[05:53] <xabbu> Eighth, when does it say that?
[05:53] <boopop> nalioth: cause there's no 'engine' to select from on the amarok setting
[05:54] <nalioth> boopop: go to ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ and look for restricted formats
[05:54] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, can you ping the Ubuntu machine ?
[05:54] <nalioth> boopop: make sure ya got all your mp3 playin stuff installed
[05:54] <dReadMoRe> how can i do that? ping 192.168.0.1
[05:54] <LinuxJones> yeah
[05:54] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, k wait
[05:54] <Eighth> xabbu: right after it finishes uncompressing
[05:54] <xabbu> What command?
[05:55] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, if that's the ip address of the 2nd ethernet card in your Ubuntu box
[05:55] <Eighth> mind if i paste the output to you?
[05:55] <xabbu> No pm me the result
[05:56] <Eighth> that's actually what i meant
[05:56] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, in this line "$ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.1" i put that address
[05:56] <virtuald> any kernel hacker here? B] 
[05:56] <virtuald> http://paste.se.linux.org/?id=1004
[05:56] <ilba7r> i tried to install wlan but still could not configure my wlan network any help is appreciated
[05:56] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, in system->administration->networking i activate the eth0 card and put dhcp
[05:57] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, am i doing it right?
[05:57] <voth> anyone used that ubuntu script from the ubuntuforums.org site?
[05:57] <dReadMoRe> when i try to ping this machine from windows computer it says "destination unreachable"
[05:57] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, when i try to ping this machine from windows computer it says "destination unreachable"...
[05:58] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, are you running firestarter
[05:58] <norman> Does anybody know a tool for the Pentium M Speedstepping features?
[05:58] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, no, i've unistalled it
[05:58] <synd`> can anyone help me recognize my wireless card in damn small? : )
[05:58] <dakz> how is it that i cant access my 2nd hd even if i can see it?
[05:59] <boopop> nalioth: gstreamer's installed
[05:59] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, so eth0 is connected to Internet and eth1 is lan conenction ?
[06:00] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, no eth0 is connected to lan and ppp0 is connected to internet
[06:01] <nalioth> boopop: gstreamer0.8-mad? or some other one? there are lots of gstrmr plugins
[06:01] <geetergod> Can someone tell me how to check what sound card i have?
[06:02] <geetergod> I bought speakers where u need 5.1 card and 3 of them dont work
[06:02] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, ok so you need to set teh ip address of eth0 to the 192.168 number
[06:02] <geetergod> but 2 mains and the sub works
[06:02] <boopop> nalioth: gstreamer0.8
[06:03] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, where can i do that?
[06:03] <nalioth> boopop: yes, but is the gstreamer0.8-mad plugin installed?
[06:03] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, sudo network-admin (don't use dhcp for that device)
[06:03] <apollo2011> Where do I put files once I have Apache installed? I put the mediawiki files in the /srv files but it doesn't show up.
[06:03] <tsume> Breezy rocks!
[06:03] <tsume> works nicely :)
[06:04] <LinuxJones> tsume, haha
[06:04] <boopop> nalioth: yep
[06:04] <synd> can anyone help me recognize my wireless card in damn small? : )
[06:04] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, i've configured it to static ip adress and the ip to 192.168.0.1
[06:04] <nalioth> then you should be able to run and play
[06:04] <Choubaka> tsume: You should've bought a lottery ticket instead.
[06:05] <nalioth> boopop: then you should be able to run and play
[06:05] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, ok great, make sure the device is activated and try again form the windows box
[06:05] <geetergod> what room could i go into to help me with speakers/sound?
[06:05] <tsume> Choubaka: lottery tickets are for poor people
[06:05] <nalioth> tsume: works nicely "Today"
[06:05] <tsume> nalioth: heh :)
[06:05] <Choubaka> tsume: Are you rich, tne?
[06:05] <Choubaka> then*
[06:05] <LinuxJones> raymanrey, what's up ?
[06:05] <boopop> nalioth: well i can't on amorak :(
[06:05] <raymanrey> i need add
[06:05] <tsume> Choubaka: I must be, I don't use windows :P
[06:06] <raymanrey> commands
[06:06] <raymanrey> to one file
[06:06] <raymanrey> in command
[06:06] <Choubaka> tsume: :P
[06:06] <raymanrey> for example
[06:06] <raymanrey> pwd
[06:06] <Choubaka> Neither do I.
[06:06] <goldfish_> raymanrey: ???
[06:06] <raymanrey> and echo $HOME
[06:06] <nalioth> boopop: if it were up to me, i'd install ALL gstreamer plugs i could find (using synaptic)
[06:06] <LinuxJones> raymanrey, you want to add some aliases ?
[06:06] <nalioth> boopop: AND lame and liblame
[06:06] <Choubaka> I temporarily have some money though.
[06:06] <raymanrey> nop
[06:06] <nalioth> boopop: and ogg support
[06:06] <geetergod> Is there a room that can help me with my speakers/soundcard?
[06:06] <tsume> I think I'll be lazy and work at home today
[06:06] <nalioth> boopop: but that's just me
[06:07] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, i've configured the windows computer to use to TCP/IP protocol a gateway with ip address 192.168.0.1 and the ip is getted by DHCP
[06:07] <raymanrey> i want the result of this command
[06:07] <raymanrey> to the
[06:07] <Choubaka> But it will allgo into buying a mac laptop
[06:07] <raymanrey> file
[06:07] <raymanrey> exit
[06:07] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, and when i ping now the server computer from the client it says "request timeout"
[06:07] <nalioth> Choubaka: wise choice
[06:07] <boopop> nalioth: ah.... doesn't look like lame's installed
[06:07] <raymanrey> pwd > salida.tx
[06:07] <raymanrey> but
[06:07] <Choubaka> nalioth: I just don't know which one I should get. :P
[06:07] <goldfish_> dReadMoRe: What is your default gateway?
[06:07] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, you have to set static ip addresses on the windows box too
[06:07] <raymanrey> if i try do it again with the command echo
[06:07] <boopop> nalioth: surely it must have been if music player could play em?
[06:08] <kwelijones> is someone there
[06:08] <raymanrey> dont rewrite it
[06:08] <Choubaka> I already have enough money for the smallest iBook, but are they any good?
[06:08] <raymanrey> jut write
[06:08] <nalioth> boopop: not sure about amarok
[06:08] <raymanrey> the last command
[06:08] <nalioth> boopop: i run on a PPC, and things is a bit different here
[06:08] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, cant i get the ip address by DHCP
[06:08] <goldfish_> kwelijones: hi
[06:08] <IIIEars> SoundJiucer is ripping OGG at 2.4X - Can it be faster?
[06:08] <kwelijones> can someone tell me how to only open one window at a time
[06:08] <dReadMoRe> goldfish_, ubuntu computer with 192.168.0.1 address
[06:08] <nalioth> boopop: i have ALL gstreamer plugins (even the ones i had to compile myself) plus ogg and mp3 support
[06:09] <kwelijones> hi goldfish
[06:09] <LinuxJones> raymanrey, the > overwrites what is in the file if you use >> it will add to the file rather than overwrite what is in there like pwd >> salida.txt
[06:09] <goldfish_> kwelijones: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#openeachfolderssamewindownautilus
[06:10] <nalioth> IIIEars: that sounds about right
[06:10] <kwelijones> thanks
[06:10] <IIIEars> Okay. :)
[06:10] <boopop> nalioth: i tried to install it and.... " gstreamer0.8-lame:
[06:10] <boopop>   Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[06:10] <boopop> "
[06:10] <raymanrey> thanks LInuxJones
[06:11] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, where is the dhcp server ?
[06:11] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, i've set the windows computer to have 192.168.0.150 address and now i can ping the server(ubuntu computer)
[06:11] <LinuxJones> raymanrey, np ;)
[06:11] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, perfect
[06:11] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, but i cant access to the internet
[06:11] <IIIEars> nalioth - Is FLAC or MP3 (I know I know prpopretary.) Faster?
[06:11] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, did you assign the default gateway to be 192.168.0.1 on the windows box ?
[06:11] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, i do not set DNS server in windows computer, what am i supposed to put there?
[06:11] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, yes
[06:12] <toxicfume> Does anyone here have acherhk-0.5.22.tgz ? I can't access the official page anymore, it's down. If you do have it, please send me :)
[06:12] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, use static ip address
[06:12] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, use static ip address 192.168.0.2 for example
[06:12] <nalioth> IIIEars: not sure, just know that oggenc doesnt work too fast on any platform
[06:12] <IIIEars> lol - Gotta have my Britney spears album right away - j/k
[06:12] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, where?
[06:13] <nalioth> IIIEars: and another eason why i compile all my stuff myself (or try to)
[06:13] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, sorry i dont understand :x
[06:13] <IIIEars> nalioth - Good tip. Thank You
[06:13] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, heh, I havn't used Windows in like 5 years :)
[06:13] <geetergod> Can someone help me with my soundcard/speakers?
[06:13] <nalioth> IIIEars: ya might not get a lot out of selfcompilation, but then again, ya might
[06:13] <boopop> nalioth: any ideas?
[06:13] <geetergod> I just wanna know if i have a 5.1 card or not
[06:14] <nalioth> boopop: no sir. i
[06:14] <nalioth> m fresh out of ideas
[06:14] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, lol :S the only part that i do not enter anything in windows computer is DNS Server, its supposed to put an ip address
[06:15] <raymanrey> LinuxJones who can i print the init file
[06:15] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, your running your own dhcp server ?
[06:15] <raymanrey> in command
[06:16] <LinuxJones> raymanrey, you want to print something ?
[06:16] <drasko> hi all. How to disable users exit some gnome application in elegan way, and still -- I am trying to set up kiosk with gnome.
[06:16] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, in linux?
[06:16] <IIIEars> Hot Damn! OGG sounds pretty good. :)
[06:17] <raymanrey> the startup file
[06:17] <nalioth> IIIEars: and its open source, too!
[06:17] <raymanrey> in spanish
[06:17] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, i've done what this page says in server settings http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ShareInternetConnection
[06:17] <raymanrey> archivo de inicializacion
[06:17] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, where is the windows box getting the ip information from. What dhcp server is the windows box connecting to ?
[06:17] <raymanrey> i don't know how can i write it
[06:18] <LinuxJones> raymanrey, there is a spanish channel as well in #ubuntu-es
[06:18] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, windows is connected to this computer (ubuntu system) by eth0
[06:18] <raymanrey> ok
[06:18] <raymanrey> thanks
[06:18] <LinuxJones> raymanrey, it may be a little easier to learn Linux in your own language :)
[06:18] <Eighth> anyone have experience with gnome-pilot?
[06:19] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, then dhcp is not necessary on the windows machine
[06:19] <geetergod> I just wanna know if i have a 5.1 sound card haha
[06:19] <raymanrey> yeah i thinks so
[06:20] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, yeah i put a static ip address in windows machine (192.168.0.150) and now windows machine can ping the ubuntu machine, but cant connect to the internet
[06:20] <geetergod> cause i have new speakers that require a 5.1 and the surround speakers dont work
[06:20] <Demian__> openoffice 2
[06:20] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, i think thats because i do not write DNS servers in windows machine
[06:21] <Flash13> :\ Ok, why am I stuck with only 640x480 selectable
[06:21] <Demian__> is it better then 1
[06:21] <Demian__> ?
[06:21] <Demian__> I guess so, bet it's always good to check :)
[06:21] <geetergod> Flash13, are you running linux off a cd?
[06:21] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, it should be working double check your settings on the wiki page again
[06:22] <IIIEars> dReadMe - use your isps nDNS servers or will the linux box act as your name server?
[06:22] <mof> Flash13, what do you mean ?
[06:22] <Flash13> geetergod, no, I tried that, but now I've actually installed it, it's still stuck
[06:22] <xabbu> Flash13, You have to setup x
[06:23] <IIIEars> dReadMe - can you ping a numerical address for google or any other sites?
[06:23] <nalioth> Flash13: check this out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:23] <jigme> hi
[06:23] <LinuxJones> Flash13, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:23] <Flash13> Thanks nalioth, I was just about to google for the wiki
[06:24] <apollo2011> What file does apache load for PHP?
[06:24] <Flash13> lol This res is so unbarable, I can't see most of the 'Accept' buttons on the updater lol
[06:24] <matt_> this ubuntu is so dam god
[06:24] <matt_> good
[06:25] <matt_> i cant get 1280*1024 resolution tho, even tho i elected to use it in setup
[06:25] <nalioth> Flash13: remember VESA will be with you.... always
[06:25] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, i've put DNS server in windows the same that i configured to linux and now its working
[06:25] <Demian__> matt_, check @xorg
[06:25] <Demian__> #xorg
[06:26] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, many thanks for patience and support :D
[06:26] <matt_> it is listed in all color depths
[06:26] <IIIEars> dReadReadMoRe - Hooray!
[06:26] <matt_> just not in the change resolution menu
[06:26] <LinuxJones> dReadMoRe, awesome good stuff :)
[06:26] <stazz> How can I choose which soundcard is the primary card?
[06:27] <matt_> i'm using virtual pc btw, and had to set default color depth to 16-bit. I dunno if this has any impact on resolution
[06:27] <stazz> I have two, and I want to swap them around, so that (current) dsp becomes dsp1
[06:28] <apollo2011> What file does apache load for PHP?
[06:28] <geetergod> baaaaaah someone help me! :)
[06:28] <Shido6> what can I use to monitor my mobo temp and cpu tem in ubuntu?
[06:28] <IIIEars> < FAXES geetegod an aspirin. - whats up?
[06:28] <Eighth> anyone have experience with gnome-pilot?
[06:28] <geetergod> lol thanks
[06:29] <nux> dans 30min j'ai ubuntu yahouuuuuuuuuu
[06:29] <apollo2011> What file does Apache2 load for PHP support? I want to setup mediawiki on my pc but it require php support, and when I load the index.php, it tries to download it
[06:29] <geetergod> Well i bought new speakers yesterday that require a 5.1 soundcard...
[06:29] <geetergod> and the 2 mains and sub works, the center and surrounds dont
[06:29] <Shido6> yeah
[06:29] <geetergod> does that mean i dont have a 5.1 card? and where do i check to see what i have?
[06:29] <Shido6> I have the same problem
[06:29] <opirg> Any XFCE users here? I'm wondering why after I install xfmedia it will not play a CD. xine-lib is installed. It simply does not play - no progress is shown, no audio comes out. I have an Ubuntu server install with xfce
[06:29] <xabbu> apollo2011, sudo apt-get install php4-common
[06:29] <IIIEars> geetergod - lspci  ?
[06:29] <Shido6> my soundmax card (onbaord) has 5.1 but I dont know how to enable it in ubuntu fro my movies, etc
[06:30] <apollo2011> xabbu: I have it installed already
[06:30] <Shido6> opirg, make sure you're using Esound or ESD
[06:30] <xabbu> Then it should work
[06:30] <xabbu> apollo2011, try dpkg-reconfigure apache2
[06:30] <geetergod> 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Sound Controller (rev a0
[06:30] <apollo2011> xabbu: ok
[06:30] <geetergod> is that it?
[06:31] <xabbu> apollo2011, might have to sudo it
[06:31] <Flash13> Package `xserver.xorg' is not installed <-- thats a bad thing I'm guessing
[06:31] <geetergod> IIIears, does that say what it is?
[06:32] <apollo2011> ksut@Playroom1-Ubuntu:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure apache2
[06:32] <apollo2011> ksut@Playroom1-Ubuntu:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure apache2
[06:32] <lsuactiafner> root@infant-finite:~ # glxgears
[06:32] <lsuactiafner> glxgears: relocation error: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: symbol gnu_dev_makedev,
[06:32] <lsuactiafner> version GLIBC_2.3.3 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[06:32] <opirg> Shido6 - how do I do this? Can't find a setting in xfmedia or xfce
[06:32] <lsuactiafner> ideas?
[06:32] <dReadMoRe> LinuxJones, is secute to write in ntfs partitions using captive ntfs?
[06:32] <thoreauputic> Flash13: xserver-xorg ( note the hyphen)
[06:33] <xabbu> apollo2011, does it work?
[06:33] <apollo2011> no doesn't do anything
[06:33] <apollo2011> no config comes up
[06:33] <nalioth> dReadMoRe: huh? ntfs writes? captive ntfs?
[06:34] <matt_> so, any suggestions why 1280x1024 isnt avaliable in the screen resolution menu even tho it is listed in xorg.conf?
[06:34] <xabbu> Have you tried? It doesn't say anything
[06:34] <dReadMoRe> nalioth, http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[06:34] <apollo2011> xabbue: this is what I get:
[06:34] <apollo2011> ksut@Playroom1-Ubuntu:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure apache2
[06:34] <apollo2011> ksut@Playroom1-Ubuntu:~$
[06:34] <xabbu> yeah.
[06:34] <xabbu> apollo2011, nothing more should happen
[06:35] <apollo2011> oh
[06:35] <IIIEars> matt_ - the refresh rate (likely) less so the video ram or driver wasn't picked right.
[06:35] <angela> join me on #yeah
[06:36] <matt_> hmmm... ok thanks. this is using virtual PC so maybe thats to blame.
[06:36] <IIIEars> matt_ - It's a pain isn't it? - Don't worry it's worth it your video card just might be faster in linux than it ever was in windows.
[06:37] <Brian16> Hey
[06:37] <ogami1972> hello
[06:37] <IIIEars> matt_ - Sounds like fun gotta check it out.
[06:37] <nalioth> dReadMoRe: looks like a cobbled together arrangement, illegally using m$ libs
[06:38] <xabbu> hello
[06:38] <nalioth> dReadMoRe: i do not write/read ntfs myself
[06:38] <ogami1972> anybody know how to watch .nsv video streams in ubuntu?
[06:38] <matt_> what u gonna check out?
[06:38] <ogami1972> i miss saltwaterchimp- i used to watch it on winamp
[06:39] <xabbu> apollo2011, is it working?'
[06:39] <opirg> anyone here know how to configue ESD in XFCE/xfmedia ?
[06:39] <mulia> my internet access is very clow, I'm using fire fox
[06:39] <hikaru79> Can someone send me their sources.list for hoary? I'm having TONS of repository problems. 403's, 404's, etc.
[06:39] <hikaru79> us.archive especially seems to be messed up
[06:39] <ogami1972> when i promote linux, that is often the dealbreaker- troubles with media, like atomfilms and such
[06:40] <IIIEars> hikaru - "backports"?
[06:40] <apollo2011> xabbu: no
[06:40] <apollo2011> xabbu: reloaded and everything...
[06:40] <hikaru79> IIIears, actually, the backports aren't giving me any trouble
[06:40] <LinuxJones> mulia, you have to disable ipv6
[06:40] <hikaru79> I'm getting stuff like this:
[06:40] <hikaru79> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libx/libxml-libxml-perl/libxml-libxml-perl_1.58-0.3_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.138 80] 
[06:40] <nalioth> hikaru79: there is a virgin sources.list on ubuntulinux.org
[06:40] <IIIEars> hikaru - ah.. getting backport errors here..
[06:41] <xabbu> apollo2011, Thats strange.
[06:41] <nalioth> hikaru79: if you are not getting backports problems NOW, you will
[06:41] <hikaru79> nalioth, what do you mean?
[06:41] <hikaru79> At the moment, the MAIN ubuntu archive is messing up =/
[06:41] <ogami1972> i heard they shutdown the backports due to high traffic
[06:41] <LinuxJones> mulia, in firefox type about:config then in the search filter type ipv6 set the valut to true
[06:41] <hikaru79> us.archive.ubuntu.com is not backports...
[06:41] <LinuxJones> *value
[06:42] <nalioth> hikaru79: backports can (and mostly does) breaks your upgrade cycle
[06:42] <dennis__> Helo.
[06:42] <nalioth> hikaru79: just a matter of time
[06:42] <ogami1972> mulia:
[06:42] <ogami1972> http://www.testingreflections.com/node/view/1549
[06:42] <hikaru79> I see...
[06:42] <novaflare> now im reaaly about to forget linux all togather
[06:43] <hikaru79> So backports is not reccomended?
[06:43] <novaflare> clean install of ubuntu
[06:43] <knewt> anyone here use apt-build? it doesn't want to work properly for me
[06:43] <nalioth> hikaru79: nope
[06:43] <novaflare> but xorg drivers still refuse to work
[06:43] <ogami1972> great- that would explain alot
[06:43] <novaflare> im still stuck on this mesa3d crap
[06:43] <nalioth> knewt: i use "apt-get source -b <pkgname>"
[06:43] <LinuxJones> novaflare, your getting a black screen or something ?
[06:43] <hikaru79> nalioth, if I've already installed backports packages, is there a way to get back to normal without reinstalling Ubuntu?
[06:43] <IIIEars> nalioth - But what will i do for "Drama" with backports disabled? - crossed fingers and held breath are fun during an upgrade. wide grin
[06:43] <novaflare> no
[06:43] <JDahl> knewt, what's wrong with it?
[06:43] <novaflare> im stuck with crap mesa3d
[06:43] <nalioth> hikaru79: you may comment out the backports repos, and continue as normal
[06:43] <LinuxJones> novaflare, what kind of card ?
[06:43] <novaflare> no matter what i try
[06:44] <novaflare> mesa3d indirect rendering
[06:44] <novaflare> radeon 9k pro 128 agp
[06:44] <nalioth> IIIEars: i could send you some PPC-only repos
[06:44] <novaflare> they worked bbefore but not now
[06:44] <ogami1972> nalioth- will just getting rid of repository fix problems it may have caused?
[06:44] <LinuxJones> novaflare, you installed the ati drivers from the ubuntu repositories ?
[06:44] <novaflare> yeh
[06:44] <novaflare> set my config
[06:44] <IIIEars> novaflare - hm - sounds interesting. - only if you munge vers. numbers tho. - lol
[06:44] <novaflare> same way as the first time that worked
[06:45] <novaflare> infact every thing is the same as the only working try
[06:45] <novaflare> yet mesa3d indirect is still all i got
[06:45] <nalioth> ogami1972: in my experience (my own and watching others) commenting out backports is enough
[06:45] <brush> anybody know why i can't connect to random servers (ie musicbrainz)?
[06:45] <ogami1972> hmmm
[06:45] <LinuxJones> brush, are you timing out ?
[06:45] <brush> yeah
[06:45] <novaflare> its like the drivers in the respository are no longer working
[06:45] <brush> can't ping either
[06:45] <nierkiuz> is KDE 3.4 included in ubuntu 5.04? :)
[06:45] <brush> running ubuntu 5.04
[06:46] <ogami1972> anyhoo- .nsv streams anyone?- mplayer claims to support them, but no
[06:46] <avinoam> Video files keep crashing my sesssion!!!!
[06:46] <avinoam> but only certain video files
[06:46] <xabbu> nierkiuz, no
[06:46] <brush> if i turn off firewall, i still get the same thing
[06:46] <raDeon> who called me/
[06:46] <LinuxJones> brush, it's ipv6 selection in firefox type about:config then in the search filter type ipv6 set the valut to true
[06:46] <mulia> Linuxjones, how do I make ipv6 disabled?
[06:46] <nierkiuz> thnx :)
[06:46] <novaflare> with out the drivers working i cant keep linux and that truely sucks
[06:46] <brush> LinuxJones, yeah, that's set to true
[06:47] <brush> LinuxJones, i can go most places, but some don't work
[06:47] <nalioth> novaflare: you are having display trouble?
[06:47] <brush> LinuxJones, and i tried with an XP machine and it can go fine (not thru the fw tho)
[06:47] <LinuxJones> mulia, just double click the line and it will switch to true. then restart firefox
[06:47] <novaflare> no nalioth my display it self is fine
[06:48] <LinuxJones> brush, let me try a site you have a link ?
[06:48] <novaflare> but i have no hard ware 3d ecelaration
[06:48] <brush> LinuxJones, yeah, www.musicbrainz.org
[06:48] <nalioth> novaflare: do you NEED hdwr 3d accel?
[06:48] <novaflare> because i cant get off the mesa3d indirect garbage
[06:48] <novaflare> yeh
[06:48] <dennis__> Can someone here help me setup mp3 support for ubuntu?
[06:48] <novaflare> if i want to even log in to my game i do
[06:48] <LinuxJones> brush, it opens fine for me
[06:48] <brush> LinuxJones, my winXP machine goes there fine, but my ubuntu won't
[06:48] <brush> LinuxJones, yeah, i know, that's why i so stumped
[06:48] <axident> Can someone please help me configure my soundcard for ubuntu?  I have tryed Alsaconf and get 'command not found' I don't know any other ways to get my sound working...  I have an onboard Intel High Definition Audio subsystem using the Realtek ALC860 audio codec.
[06:49] <knewt> nalioth: ah, but i was wanting to play with the apt-build world functionality
[06:49] <brush> LinuxJones, i've check hosts.deny and i've turned off the fw, any other ideas?
[06:49] <deng> hi guys.. anyone can help me with this installing error
[06:49] <deng> :(
[06:49] <deng> im tired to do this again and again
[06:49] <dennis__> bwlang, you there?
[06:49] <digitaltemper> HI i have a sound issue, i can hear system sounds like the beeps and startup but no application will use sound ie: xmms , vlc and the like? how do i fix this?
[06:49] <LinuxJones> brush, dude I am stumped as well :(
[06:49] <novaflare> with out hardware ecelaration on linux theres no point in keeping linux installed
[06:49] <WhiteRabbit> novaflare, nvidia?
[06:49] <nalioth> knewt: i had trouble also with apt-build. to save stress, i use the above method
[06:49] <ogami1972> ax- is card in /etc/modules?
[06:49] <brush> LinuxJones, okay, thanks, i'll keep trying
[06:50] <knewt> JDahl: it builds a package fine, but then when it tries to install it pulls the original .deb from the remote server, checks it against the local package information, notices a mismatch, and errors out
[06:50] <LinuxJones> brush, GL :)
[06:50] <deng> 0x0C <--- what this error mean??
[06:50] <novaflare> about 90% of my time on my comp is spent in rubies
[06:50] <axident> ogami1972, not sure I will check...
[06:50] <brush> LinuxJones, GL?
[06:50] <LinuxJones> brush, Good Luck
[06:50] <brush> LinuxJones, oh yeah, thanks
[06:50] <LinuxJones> heh
[06:50] <brush> LinuxJones, sorry, just woke up
[06:50] <LinuxJones> brush, that's ok :)
[06:50] <novaflare> going to try this one more time after removing the xorg drivers
[06:51] <axident> ogami1972, no it is not...
[06:51] <novaflare> strait no gdm install
[06:51] <digitaltemper> HI i have a sound issue, i can hear system sounds like the beeps and startup but no application will use sound ie: xmms , vlc and the like? how do i fix this?
[06:51] <WhiteRabbit> novaflare, WHat gfx card do you have nvidia or ati
[06:52] <knewt> nalioth: what would be really nice, is to be able to have the system say "ok, a newer version is available than your local build, so let's grab the source, apply your local patch(es), and then install the resulting .deb(s)", instead of me having to manually do so
[06:52] <WhiteRabbit> novaflare, ah ati heh nm
[06:52] <nalioth> knewt: yes, that
[06:52] <nalioth> 'd be great
[06:52] <knewt> nalioth: since i have patches on top of both firefox and libgtk2
[06:53] <ogami1972> ax: ok- someone correct me if i'm wrong, but :
[06:53] <kbrooks> knewt: checkinstall?
[06:53] <ogami1972> sudo nano /etc/modules and add your card to the bnottom of the list
[06:53] <nalioth> kbrooks: knewt wants apt-build to work for him
[06:53] <mulia> LinuxJones, thx 4 your advice, I think I works
[06:53] <kbrooks> nalioth: er, is apt-build in a package?
[06:54] <digitaltemper> Has anybody had trouble getting sound in gnome with an Nforce3 Motherboard?
[06:54] <axident> ogami1972, ok but what do i add to the modules file?  I don't know what modules to load
[06:54] <nalioth> digitaltemper: try one of these http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly  or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary
[06:54] <nalioth> kbrooks: apt-build is installable
[06:54] <nalioth> kbrooks: knewt wants to rebuild his 'world'
[06:54] <ogami1972> hmmm- my soundcard is called "emu10k1" by linux- do you know what yours is?
[06:55] <kbrooks> nalioth: mmmmmmmm
[06:55] <axident> ogami1972, I have no clue what linux views my sound card
[06:55] <kbrooks> knewt:
[06:55] <vince_> hi. does anyone know how to prevent the screensaver from starting while playing a movie in vlc? thanx!
[06:55] <kbrooks> axident: er, lspci
[06:55] <novaflare> no diffrence at all still mesa3d indirect
[06:55] <ogami1972> say linux jones! what's that command that shows you all the boot up info in terminal?
[06:56] <Jurku> ogami1972: dmesg
[06:56] <WhiteRabbit> novaflare, have you tryed to do the ati drivers directly from the site & install the ati control panel?
[06:56] <Jormundgand> Why won't Flash movies play music? It's the whole hardware nightmare again - how do I change it?
[06:56] <novaflare> ive tried every thing
[06:56] <mulia> LinuxJones, I also have problem when connecting to smtp or pop server with Thunderbird, do u have suggestion for that?
[06:56] <novaflare> all are ending up the same
[06:56] <novaflare> mesa3d indirect render
[06:56] <novaflare> cant get away from it
[06:57] <Amaranth> novaflare: what video card do you have?
[06:57] <sinope> can someone help me with apache?
[06:57] <axident> 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definiti on Audio Controller (rev 03)
[06:57] <ompaul> mulia, having a problem and telling people what is happening that is creating the problem changes what people can do you for :)
[06:57] <novaflare> radeon 9k pro 128 meg agp
[06:57] <Amaranth> novaflare: still trying to get rubies to work?
[06:57] <ogami1972> no, that's just showing me the eth0 activity
[06:57] <Amaranth> novaflare: i'd give up
[06:57] <sinope> if i go to localhost i get my site
[06:57] <novaflare> i give up on it i give up on linux
[06:57] <sinope> but if i go to the hostname i get nothing
[06:57] <axident> kbrooks, that's what lspci shows me
[06:58] <Amaranth> sinope: you're supposed to
[06:58] <novaflare> no rubies on linux no linux
[06:58] <Amaranth> sinope: hostname?
[06:58] <Jurku> ogami1972: look at /var/log/dmesg
[06:58] <novaflare> the xorgs did work
[06:58] <sinope> Amaranth: yes, i have a domain
[06:58] <novaflare> the first time around
[06:58] <novaflare> just not as well
[06:58] <sinope> Amaranth: it points to my box and all...
[06:58] <ogami1972> did you catch that ax?
[06:58] <Amaranth> sinope: you setup apache to use the hostname?
[06:58] <novaflare> so i tried the ones from ati
[06:58] <sinope> Amaranth: worked under slackware
[06:58] <novaflare> but got stuck on mesa3d crap
[06:58] <sinope> Amaranth: hmm.... i don't think so
[06:58] <novaflare> re did my ubuntu install
[06:58] <sinope> Amaranth: is there a setup util?
[06:58] <novaflare> tried again same result
[06:58] <novaflare> redid install again
[06:58] <sinope> Amaranth: or do i get to edit configs :)
[06:58] <Amaranth> sinope: no, you need to edit the apache2 config file
[06:58] <novaflare> xorgs only
[06:58] <novaflare> same result
[06:58] <axident> ogami1972, yeah i did lcpci but that doesn't tell me what to add to /etc/modules
[06:59] <sinope> okay, no problem
[06:59] <sinope> thanks Amaranth
[06:59] <axident> lspci*
[06:59] <novaflare> its like the drivers sundenly broke from repository
[06:59] <novaflare> and atis site
[06:59] <WhiteRabbit> novaflare, I never ran ati on linux but I do remember that a while back while helping someone that ati injects there driver into the system in a rather odd way
[07:00] <WhiteRabbit> novaflare, theres some cleaning methods you could do to take out the driver completely & reinstall have you tryed that
[07:00] <topyli> novaflare: get an old matrox card :)
[07:00] <novaflare> well id think a ubuntu reinstall from scratch would count
[07:00] <digitaltemper> nalioth, that only works for i386 this is a amd64
[07:00] <digitaltemper> There is no libesd-alsa0 for amd64
[07:00] <WhiteRabbit> novaflare, that sounds very windowish heh
[07:00] <toxicfume> Does anyone here have acherhk-0.5.22.tgz ? I can't access the official page anymore, it's down. If you do have it, please send me :)
[07:01] <novaflare> afk a minute
[07:01] <ogami1972> no, i don't see mine in lspci either, but when /var/log/dmesg, i scroll down about 4 pages and the card is listed, followed by the driver
[07:01] <nalioth> digitaltemper: sorry, my ESP isnt working today
[07:01] <Jormundgand> How do I change what hardware is used by Firefox for sound, specifically through Flash movies?
[07:02] <nalioth> digitaltemper: thats all i can offer you atm
[07:02] <ogami1972> PCI: setting IRQ 10 as level-triggered
[07:02] <ogami1972> ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:01:00.0[A]  -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10
[07:02] <ogami1972> NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module  1.0-7174  Tue Mar 22 06$Creative EMU10K1 PCI Audio Driver, version 0.20a, 14:54:32 May 20 2005
[07:02] <axident> ogami1972, ok I will try dmesg
[07:02] <nalioth> digitaltemper: the techniques described worked on my PPC BOX (not x86)
[07:02] <dennis__> Can someone help me setup mp3 support in ubuntu ?
[07:02] <dr_willis> dennis__,  its covered in the wiki pages I do belive.
[07:02] <topyli> dennis__: ubuntuguide.org can
[07:03] <dennis__> I've done the stuff and it still doesn't work
[07:03] <nalioth> dennis__: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:03] <digitaltemper> nalioth, i dont know what to do then, theres no suggestions on google either theres posts with the same problem but no answers
[07:03] <dennis__> I installed gstreamer, the mad plugin, added 2 repostitaries too
[07:03] <nalioth> digitaltemper: did you do the ubuntuguide.org thing?
[07:04] <dennis__> And Rythmnbox gives me the error when I try to add mp3s to a playlist.... "There is no plugin installed to handle a mp3.
[07:04] <digitaltemper> nalioth, yes
[07:04] <axident> ogami1972, I don't see my soundcard at all in dmesg
[07:04] <nalioth> digitaltemper: then i'm out of ideas. ubuntuguide worked on my PPC
[07:04] <ogami1972> :~
[07:05] <ompaul> okay someone asked about flash
[07:05] <ogami1972> ax- sorry- you've just left my league- any help anyone?
[07:05] <ompaul> okay someone asked about flash and audio - I just installed flash, no audio, I logged out and back in and it was there
[07:06] <dennis__> nalioth,  I've already used that guide and added the appostitaries and installed the mad plugin
[07:06] <dennis__> And it still won't handle the mp3s
[07:06] <ompaul> restarting sound did not seem to work for me
[07:06] <axident> kbrooks, you have any ideas?
[07:06] <digitaltemper> nalioth, ok thanks anyway
[07:06] <axident> kbrooks, lspci shows me this.... 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definiti on Audio Controller (rev 03) and dmesg doesn't show my soundcard at all...
[07:06] <nalioth> dennis__: have you installed lame and liblame?
[07:06] <dennis__> No...
[07:07] <axident> kbrooks, I am running a D915GAV Intel Motherboard... the sound is onboard...
[07:07] <dennis__> gstreamer0.8-lame:
[07:07] <dennis__>  Depends: liblame0 (>=3.96.1-1) but it is not installable
[07:07] <ompaul> dennis__, do a search (using synaptic)  in the repositries for mp3 / mpg and add some of the suggested programs
[07:08] <nalioth> dennis__: what hardware are you using?
[07:08] <dennis__> onboard nforce2
[07:11] <nalioth> dennis__: try this "sudo apt-get source -b liblame0"
[07:12] <debian_linux> has anyone heard of a problem of blue verticle bars showing up under the cursor when you drag it around?
[07:12] <dennis__> Nope
[07:12] <IIIEars> debian_linux - help us with some info.
[07:13] <debian_linux> um
[07:13] <dennis__> nalioth, dpkg-architecture: warning: Couldn't determine gcc system type, falling back to default (native compilation)
[07:13] <dennis__> sh: gcc: command not found
[07:13] <dennis__> dpkg-architecture: warning: Couldn't determine gcc system type, falling back to default (native compilation)
[07:13] <dennis__> dpkg-buildpackage: host architecture is i386
[07:13] <debian_linux> its an old matrox video card
[07:13] <dennis__> sh: gcc: command not found
[07:13] <dennis__> dpkg-architecture: warning: Couldn't determine gcc system type, falling back to default (native compilation)
[07:13] <dennis__> sh: gcc: command not found
[07:13] <dennis__> dpkg-architecture: warning: Couldn't determine gcc system type, falling back to default (native compilation)
[07:13] <debian_linux> millennium II i think
[07:13] <dennis__> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libgtk1.2-dev libncurses5-dev nasm
[07:13] <dennis__> dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.
[07:13] <dennis__> dpkg-buildpackage: (Use -d flag to override.)
[07:13] <dennis__> Build command 'cd lame-3.96.1 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed.
[07:13] <dennis__> E: Child process failed
[07:13] <Chetic> Crap crap crap. I tried installing Ubuntu but Grub gives me error 17 after the reboot.
[07:14] <IIIEars> dennis__ - Aggh! Flood! run for the hills! - or use pastebin.com or the #flood channel for logs/system info. please.
[07:14] <dennis__> lol
[07:14] <dennis__> Okay
[07:14] <ogami1972b> i had that problem to- install expert and choose lilo instead
[07:14] <wizzard> pls, what should I do to fix the fonts in KDE? every time I start KDE, the fonts are tiny, after running gnome control center, they change to big...
[07:15] <hikaru79> Does anyone know how to get Japanese characters under TeTeX?
[07:15] <ompaul> dennis__, it is not good manners to do that
[07:15] <Chetic> ogami1972b, where do I choose expert? (and I'm not an expert btw :p)
[07:15] <ompaul> dennis__, please use pastebin.com
[07:15] <nalioth> IIIEars: ompaul i've taken him away
[07:15] <ompaul> nalioth, :)
[07:16] <IIIEars> NP - if he is new to IRC - would hate to offend a new user.
[07:16] <dennis__> I'm not new, just lazy and I didn't think :P
[07:16] <kbrooks> axident: lol
[07:16] <dennis__> Sorry about that
[07:16] <Chetic> Seriously, I wouldn't mind some help here. I can't use my computer!
[07:16] <ompaul> there is that, but the 'lol's are killing me :)
[07:16] <kbrooks> er
[07:16] <kbrooks> axident: ignore that.
[07:17] <axident> ogami1972b, ok can you help me configure lilo to boot windows?  I have windows installed on the same harddisk (different partition) and when I installed Ubuntu I chose lilo cause Grub doesn't want to work right... but now I can't get into my windows partition... how do I configure lilo to give me the choice to choose windows or linux?
[07:17] <JDahl> ompaul, I also miss the Debian bot to crack down on misbehaviour like that :P
[07:17] <axident> kbrooks, ignore which one? lol
[07:18] <ompaul> Chetic, you were given a lilo suggestion, I have another version of it, install server by typing server at the command line at the start and then log in and use use the command `apt-get ubuntu-desktop`
[07:18] <kbrooks> axident:
[07:18] <ompaul> Chetic, and that was not obvious it is as you do a resintall
[07:18] <kbrooks> 'axident: lol'
[07:18] <topyli> Chetic: press F1 (or was it F2?) when booting with the install disk. you'll see the boot options
[07:18] <axident> kbrooks, I would like to get my sound working if possible... windows can wait
[07:19] <kbrooks> axident: uh
[07:19] <apollo2011> How do I get the apache server working on ubuntu? I installed it but nothing I put in /var/www will load except what is in the apache-default dir.
[07:19] <Chetic> ompaul, ok let me go try it then, thanks!
[07:19] <kbrooks> axident: lspci and dmesg
[07:19] <JDahl> apollo2011, regular HTML pages even?
[07:19] <kbrooks> axident: lspci to find the card
[07:19] <axident> 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definiti on Audio Controller (rev 03) lspci gives me this... and dmesg doesn't show my soundcard anywhere...
[07:20] <ompaul> JDahl, perhaps you do  (/me scrapes around for the 2*4 but for whom) who told you to stick your tounge at me :)
[07:20] <ogami1972b> nah, we've been thru this k
[07:20] <kbrooks> axident: hmmm
[07:20] <kbrooks> ogami1972b: me?
[07:20] <apollo2011> JDahl: Yep I added an html page and it won't load.  It says it can't find it and tries to download a blank file
[07:20] <ogami1972b> yeah- i'm waiting to find the answer to this as well
[07:20] <axident> oh... lol...
[07:21] <ogami1972b> ?
[07:22] <eks> ++
[07:22] <JDahl> ompaul, I am not sure what that meant...
[07:23] <ksmurf> has anyone had any luck istalling the wacom drivers?
[07:23] <hramrach> Is it normal that base-config never finishes?
[07:23] <ompaul> JDahl, I was playing about with the concept of the bot a lart and who did what, it was funny if you were me :)
[07:23] <axident> ok then ogami1972b could you help me with lilo?
[07:23] <hramrach> It is spawned on the first console by init.
[07:24] <dennis__> nalioth, is it suppose to take this long?
[07:24] <hramrach> And at the end it starts a root shell.
[07:24] <kbrooks> brb.
[07:24] <hramrach> When I configured X it is no longer visible but it is still there.
[07:24] <yahalom> how do i creat a gpg key?
[07:25] <kbrooks> yahalom: use kgpg. apt-get install kgpg
[07:25] <yahalom> kbrooks, that is a kde app?
[07:25] <ogami1972b> ax- what is in /etc/modules?
[07:25] <kbrooks> yahalom: gpg is there too.
[07:25] <david__> hey
[07:25] <dr_willis> http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2000/5/1/17058/47630 Gnu Privacy Guard tutorial, part 1
[07:25] <david__> i'm trying to run a .run file to install chipset drivers, but it keeps trying to open it in gedit
[07:25] <kbrooks> yahalom: yes, but it works with gnome
[07:25] <david__> does anyoen know hwo to make it run without gedit?
[07:25] <hramrach> or gpg --gen-key
[07:25] <dr_willis> use the SHELL  :P
[07:26] <axident> ogami1972b, my harddrives/cdrom/mouse
[07:26] <kbrooks> yahalom: the kde libs and thats it
[07:26] <axident> ogami1972b, I think that's it..
[07:26] <dr_willis> not the clicky stuff  david__  :P
[07:26] <david__> dr_willis, wha?
[07:26] <kbrooks> dr_willis: no.
[07:26] <kbrooks> dont.
[07:26] <yahalom> kbrooks, well that is the way i created it last time :)
[07:26] <yahalom> kbrooks, thanx man
[07:26] <kbrooks> david__: he thinks GUIs are bad
[07:27] <dr_willis> you normally  "sh whatever.run"
[07:27] <david__> kbrooks, it does the same thing in terminal
[07:27] <nalioth> david__: use the terminal
[07:27] <nalioth> kbrooks: GUIs are BAD
[07:27] <david__> dr_willis, yep, i'm doing "sudo sh /directory/file.run
[07:27] <david__> and it still opens it in gedit
[07:27] <cadaver> gui's rule
[07:27] <yahalom> nalioth, why?
[07:27] <nalioth> kbrooks: the terminal will be there, after X takes off and goes home
[07:27] <dr_willis> 0_o
[07:28] <cadaver> infact.. every OS consists of hundreds of gui's
[07:28] <topyli> it's nice to have rhythmbox back in the menu. now gedit is gone though :)
[07:28] <topyli> my menu is disintegrating
[07:28] <hramrach> you can always run the applicatins from terminal
[07:29] <cadaver> even a simple command as ping has a gui
[07:29] <spanglesontoast> nova you there?
[07:29] <cadaver> (textbased... but still if you look deep down.. it IS a gui
[07:29] <cadaver> )
[07:29] <ksmurf> how do u list serial devices?
[07:29] <ivoks> serial?
[07:30] <tron> quien me lee?
[07:30] <hramrach> a
[07:30] <hramrach> bah
[07:31] <random_> ok. my sound hasn't been working. went to a site and it said for my soundcard to get the newest alsa drivers. i dl'd the driver but i'm new to ubuntu and dont know where to go from here can someone walk me through it?
[07:31] <david__> hey nvm
[07:31] <david__> ] i jsut did it again and for some reason it works
[07:31] <kbrooks> random_: erm
[07:32] <ompaul> ksmurf, cat /proc/tty/driver/serial may be what you want
[07:32] <kbrooks> random_: is this driver a .deb?
[07:32] <ksmurf> tnx
[07:32] <spanglesontoast> I sorted my firewall out
[07:32] <ompaul> ksmurf, the ones you want are most likely 0 and 1
[07:33] <dReadMoRe> can i write to ntfs partitions securely?
[07:33] <david__> ug
[07:33] <david__> now it's bitching about no kernal interface
[07:33] <ksmurf> tnx ompaul... I'm trying to get my wacom pad going
[07:34] <nalioth> dReadMoRe: you take the risks of destroying the partition envelope
[07:34] <teebones> NTFS write support is not that good
[07:34] <nalioth> dReadMoRe: however if you use the method you sent me earlier, let us know the results
[07:34] <teebones> better don't use
[07:34] <ompaul> ksmurf, no idea what that is
[07:35] <dReadMoRe> nalioth, i dont wanna take the risks :P
[07:35] <ksmurf> ompaul: A pen Tablet
[07:35] <ompaul> ksmurf, ahh
[07:36] <ogami1972b> ok ax- plz keep in mind i am a newbie too- but i think you should add "intel8x0" to the bottom of /etc/modules
[07:37] <ogami1972b> i hunted and huted for the name of the card "google "sound, ich6"
[07:40] <axident> ogami1972b,
[07:40] <axident> ogami1972b, ok I will try that ...
[07:40] <Proteque> hey. I have some installationproblems with 5.04. it stops at Setting up primary installation repository.
[07:40] <Proteque> and doesnt move on
[07:40] <Proteque> been there for about 5 mins now
[07:40] <ogami1972b> good luck to you ax- i'm gonna go play bzflag
[07:41] <IIIEars> Proteque - it is checking for the network address.
[07:41] <Proteque> is it normal to take such a long time?
[07:42] <IIIEars> uProteque - erm - no not if it is connected to the net.
[07:42] <Proteque> it did get ip from the dhcp and have access to the net.
[07:43] <wawa> Hi everyone
[07:43] <MaTt|aS> (My Englisch is not good) How can i Mount a shared mapp from another computer? In Suse i write: mount -o password="XxX" //192.168.x.x/"shared" /windows/share . But this dosent work in ubunto. Can somone help me?
[07:44] <IIIEars> ubuntuguide.org has an excellent walk through for samba
[07:44] <nalioth> MaTt|aS: NFS or SAMBA ?
[07:44] <zenrox> MaTt|aS,  try sudo mount -t smbfs -o password=xxx //ip.here/shared /windows/shared
[07:45] <Proteque> could it be trying to access a mirror which is down?
[07:45] <Proteque> and shouldnt it timeout any time soon?
[07:45] <nalioth> MaTt|aS: never mind
[07:45] <dReadMoRe> why i only ear the sound in 2 colums? i have a 5.1 system...how can i change this?
[07:45] <IIIEars> Proteque - i am too new to know. - sorry. anyone know?
[07:46] <david__> hey
[07:46] <david__> does anyone know why i have a 386 module and a k7 module, and which i should use?
[07:47] <MaTt|aS> ok, thanx, i shuld try :)
[07:47] <Proteque> the installcd really should have ping :(
[07:48] <geetergod> what chat should i go to to get help with my sound?
[07:48] <zenrox> geetergod,  right here if is ubuntu
[07:48] <Proteque> it is frustrating when things just stop without any errormsg and no tools for finding the fault.
[07:48] <geetergod> zenrox, I got new speakers that require a 5.1 card, where do i check to see what sound card i have?
[07:48] <zenrox> geetergod,  look in the forums for your sound card
[07:49] <geetergod> zenrox, I need to find out what card i have
[07:49] <lsuactiafner> root@infant-finite:~ # glxgears
[07:49] <lsuactiafner> glxgears: relocation error: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: symbol gnu_dev_makedev,
[07:49] <lsuactiafner> version GLIBC_2.3.3 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[07:49] <zenrox> geetergod,  look in your mobo and/or hardware(something
[07:49] <geetergod> zenrox, just wondering why my surround speakers and center speaker wont work
[07:49] <lsuactiafner> glibc is screwed up?
[07:49] <nalioth> Proteque: there are some slow mirrors today
[07:50] <zenrox> geetergod,  gots to enable it in the volume controle
[07:50] <Proteque> nalioth: okay.
[07:50] <Proteque> nalioth: but what about timeout?
[07:50] <usual> during hoary install, on a laptop. I have a wireless card that uses WPA, but install only accepts WEP how do i setup my card
[07:50] <Proteque> should be a bit lower and move on to the next
[07:50] <geetergod> Volume Control like gmix?
[07:50] <lsuactiafner> alsamixer
[07:50] <zenrox> geetergod,  yes
[07:50] <lsuactiafner> aumix
[07:50] <zenrox> any one of thoes
[07:51] <geetergod> everythings turned up there
[07:51] <nalioth> Proteque: now thats a good question
[07:51] <zenrox> geetergod,  you check switches
[07:51] <zenrox> might have to enable the surround
[07:51] <geetergod> switches?
[07:51] <zenrox> etc..
[07:51] <zenrox> ya a switches tab
[07:51] <Seveas> usual, you cannot do that during the install unfortunately
[07:52] <Seveas> there is a WPAhowto on the wiki
[07:52] <usual> ok
[07:52] <lsuactiafner> am going to have to bash glibc maintainer
[07:52] <lsuactiafner> or someone
[07:52] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, you have a wrong glibc
[07:52] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, you have a wrong glxgears i mean
[07:53] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, glibc in hoary is only 2.3.2, not 2.3.3
[07:53] <muixa> Hi there.   I had a few questions I'd like to ask about Ubuntu
[07:53] <rnasklaved> what program burns .bin images on dvd?
[07:53] <Seveas> so you have installed glxgears from a non-ubuntu source, which is a bad idea
[07:53] <MaTt|aS> Now it works, thanx alot :)
[07:53] <muixa> cdrdao
[07:53] <lsuactiafner> glxgears works with the previous NVIDIA driver
[07:53] <IIIEars> Forcibly UMOUNT a CD?
[07:53] <Seveas> IIIEars, umount -f?
[07:54] <lsuactiafner> also, GLX doesnt load properly i think, glxinfo is screwed also
[07:54] <IIIEars> (grabs a screwdriver and two tubes of greease)
[07:54] <lsuactiafner> i think its glibc?
[07:54] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, no
[07:54] <nova> bah still not working :
[07:54] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : so how do i fix this?
[07:54] <Seveas> you have installed glx stuff from non-ubuntu sources
[07:54] <nalioth> rnasklaved: use bchunk (long name binchunker) to convert to iso (if you have cue/bin)
[07:54] <IIIEars> uSeveas - Device busy!!!???
[07:54] <Seveas> install the official versions
[07:54] <moman> Greetings all.....   Can anyone tell me where I can find good dvd ripper for linux ?    I run apt-get install dvdrip  .. Nothing came up
[07:54] <muixa> First, it seems the tracker for the Ubuntu ISOs is down
[07:54] <Seveas> IIIEars, lsof | grep /mount/point/of/cd
[07:54] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : i installed from nvidia
[07:54] <rnasklaved> nalioth - Thanx!
[07:54] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, why?
[07:54] <lsuactiafner> the ubuntu sources screwed my glx up before
[07:55] <muixa> i was trying to download the AMD64 live/INstall DVD
[07:55] <muixa> anyone know what's up with that?
[07:55] <Seveas> then file a bug instead of installing random stuff
[07:55] <Seveas> muixa, read the topic..
[07:55] <jeroen_> muixa, yes it's down; see topic
[07:55] <voth> when are we expecting to see 2.6.11
[07:56] <Seveas> voth, in hoary: it's in universe (so unsupported) in breezy: already there iirc
[07:56] <Chetic> Is it possible to install lilo without using expert mode?
[07:56] <nova> has any one here got the drivers from ati working on ubuntu ?
[07:56] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : i dont see hy ubuntu doesnt use the default nvidia drivers.. there is not need for ppl to redo what nvidia has done already
[07:56] <Seveas> Chetic, yes, you can install it afterwards
[07:56] <muixa> Jeroen, thanks -- didn't see it there at the end; too much info for my silly little client to display.
[07:56] <Chetic> Seveas, how?
[07:56] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, ubuntu does use nvidia drivers
[07:56] <IIIEars> Wow busy cursor - gotta get more tools - grin (rummages in canvas bag for a blowtorch)
[07:56] <nova> that would be willing to try and install them on my system useing a ssh shell?
[07:56] <Seveas> Chetic, apt-get install lilo
[07:56] <Seveas> :)
[07:56] <Chetic> Seveas, Problem is.. I can't boot any operating system
[07:57] <jeroen_> Chetic, livecd
[07:57] <lsuactiafner> yeh but why do they have nvidia-glx?
[07:57] <Chetic> But no, It'll take another 12 hours to download the livecd!
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[07:57] <nova> at this point im about to just give up on ubuntu and linux out right. I cant even get the damn xorg drivers from the repository woking
[07:57] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:57] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:57] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:57] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:57] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:57] <muixa> The 2nd question i have then:   Does the AMD64 port have WORKING 32bit emulation?  I'm using Gentoo right now, and i'm missing my apt-get world.
[07:57] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:57] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:57] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:57] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:57] <IIIEars> Seveas - you are awesome. how many questions are you answering simultaneously?
[07:57] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:57] <maya`> stupid kid
[07:57] <kbrooks> binouz: SYM
[07:57] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:57] <lsuactiafner> muixa : yeh i do
[07:57] <zenrox> nova,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for nvidia install
[07:57] <binouz> g33k
[07:58] <kbrooks> binouz: sym and leave
[07:58] <nova> im on ati
[07:58] <mjr> muixa, proper multiarch support isn't there at this point
[07:58] <lsuactiafner> under ubuntu and also a slackware chroot
[07:58] <Chetic> Seveas, I need to install lilo through the install CD
[07:58] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:58] <binouz> je flooooooooooooooooooooooooooodje flooooooooooooooooooooooooooodje flooooooooooooooooooooooooooodje flooooooooooooooooooooooooooodje floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:58] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:58] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:58] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:58] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:58] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:58] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:58] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:58] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:58] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:58] <lsuactiafner> ah shit why dont we have ops?
[07:58] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:58] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:58] <mjr> muixa, (you can of course use a 32-bit chroot via dchroot nicely, though)
[07:58] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:58] <muixa> binouz, please go away
[07:58] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:58] <nalioth> ah i love /ignore
[07:58] <jeroen_> lsuactiafner, we do have them
[07:58] <dimeo> add binouz to your ignore list
[07:58] <kbrooks> binouz: SHUT YOUR MOUTH
[07:58] <binouz> je flooooooooooooooooooooooooooodje flooooooooooooooooooooooooooodje flooooooooooooooooooooooooooodje flooooooooooooooooooooooooooodje flooooooooooooooooooooooooooodje flooooooooooooooooooooooooooodje floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:58] <IIIEars> Seveas - Thank You.
[07:58] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:58] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:58] <SeamusLP> use /ignore people, it's not hard
[07:58] <binouz> je flooooooooooooooooooooooooooodje floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:58] <DJ_Mirage> why doesnt the server kill him :o
[07:58] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:58] <random_> is there a reason i would not be able to open alsamixer?
[07:58] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:58] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:58] <ompaul> use /ignore username for that muppet
[07:58] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:58] <binouz> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:59] <binouz> je flooooooooooooooooooooooooooodje floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:59] <binouz> je flooooooooooooooooooooooooooodje flooooooooooooooooooooooooooodje flooooooooooooooooooooooooooodje flooooooooooooooooooooooooooodje floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:59] <thenuke> why does this channel attract those flooders?
[07:59] <binouz> je flooooooooooooooooooooooooooodje floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:59] <lsuactiafner>  /IGNORE binouz all
[07:59] <binouz> je flooooooooooooooooooooooooooodje floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:59] <Jormundgand> Because Ubuntu is popular.
[07:59] <floodeur> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:59] <Chetic> Seveas, I need to install lilo through the install CD, is it not possible without going throught the whole install in expert mode?
[07:59] <floodeur> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:59] <floodeur> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:59] <floodeur> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:59] <floodeur> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:59] <floodeur> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:59] <Jormundgand> Bloody French git.
[07:59] <floodeur> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:59] <jeroen_> floodeur, #flood
[07:59] <floodeur> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:59] <floodeur> je flooooooooooooooooooooooooooodje flooooooooooooooooooooooooooodje flooooooooooooooooooooooooooodje floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:59] <thenuke> this channel btw has way too less ops :(
[07:59] <floodeur> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:59] <floodeur> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:59] <floodeur> je floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:59] <floodeur> je flooooooooooooooooooooooooooodje floooooooooooooooooooooooooood
[07:59] <Seveas> ghe
[07:59] <lsuactiafner>  /ignore *!*84.rev.gaoland.net* all
[07:59] <thenuke> :-)
[07:59] <ksmurf> chetic is your other OS windoze?
[07:59] <dimeo> I've almost done a huge copy of a directory tree to another HD but it's not complete.  Any way to only copy missing files?
[07:59] <Chetic> ksmurf, I'm afraid so :\
[08:00] <thenuke> does the server automagically K-line those?
[08:00] <kbrooks> random_:
[08:00] <kbrooks> fire away
[08:00] <IIIEars>  /ignore *!*84.rev.gaoland.net* all
[08:00] <random_> is there a reason i would not be able to open alsamixer?
[08:00] <alindeman> thenuke: Nah, I did
[08:00] <ksmurf> Chet pm me
[08:00] <kbrooks> thenuke: no
[08:00] <Seveas> Chetic, i'm afraid not
[08:00] <ivoks> k-lined :)
[08:00] <kbrooks> dimeo: ummm
[08:00] <nalioth> dimeo: rsync?
[08:00] <dimeo> I'd hate to have to start over
[08:01] <nalioth> dimeo: wget?
[08:01] <ubuntu> first try of the ubuntu live dvd
[08:01] <bluefoxicy> there's no dvorak right hand keymap in X
[08:01] <muixa> Okay, let's try that again -- Ubuntu has the same issues as Deb then?   IE, you need a chroot in order to use 32bit binaries.
[08:01] <dimeo> any gui utilities?
[08:01] <Jormundgand> At least we know he's a smart floodeur. ;)
[08:01] <mjr> muixa, basically, unless you build using the lib32 libs
[08:01] <lsuactiafner> muixa : no you dont need to chroot
[08:01] <nalioth> dimeo: not sure, i'm a heavy terminal (ab)user
[08:01] <amphore> floodeur sound french :)
[08:02] <lsuactiafner> muixa : it emulates it transparently
[08:02] <IIIEars> lsuactiafner - Nice tip. Ignore an ip range. - Thank You.
[08:02] <mjr> muixa, openoffice.org is pre-kludged to work with that
[08:02] <lsuactiafner> muixa : i just like to use my slackware chroot sometimes
[08:02] <ubuntu> it seems to be good on my VAIO TR1MP
[08:02] <kbrooks> chroots........rule.
[08:02] <kbrooks> lol.
[08:02] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : can you please explain to me how to fix my glx problem with the new drivers?
[08:02] <kbrooks> are chroots good?
[08:02] <ubuntu> but no connection with the embedded 802.11 centrino
[08:03] <muixa> lsuactiafner, So, for example, realplayer will work out of the box?
[08:03] <lsuactiafner> as long as your kernel supports emul32 you are set
[08:03] <lsuactiafner> muixa : chances are yes
[08:03] <lsuactiafner> i never had problems with 32bit binaries
[08:03] <SeamusLP> ubuntu:  What laptop are you using?
[08:03] <lsuactiafner> tho i do have a custum kernel
[08:03] <ubuntu> it is a sony TR1MP
[08:04] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, if you install custom kernels/drivers, you need tog give *much* more info before anyone can help you
[08:04] <IIIEars> You guys are great Ubuntu is the best! - Thanks guys. :)
[08:04] <dos000> is there a way i can tell which pool (universe,main,etc) a package is coming from via apt-cache or something ?
[08:04] <Seveas> dos000, apt-cache show can tell you
[08:04] <mjr> dos000, apt-cache policy package
[08:04] <ksmurf> anyone have any advice for the wacom drivers?
[08:04] <kanuha> Are the instructions at ubuntuguide.org outdated? For instance,  the instructions to get java, flash, acroread and azureus don't work..
[08:05] <muixa> lsuactiafner, for example, i want to be able to use a 32bit mplayer too -- does that "just work"?
[08:05] <dos000> Seveas, show does not tell
[08:05] <Seveas> dos000, it does :)
[08:05] <Seveas> look at the filename ;)
[08:05] <SeamusLP> ubuntu:  There's a laptop database somewhere in the ubuntu wiki
[08:05] <ksmurf> kanuha did u add the repositories?
[08:05] <kanuha> ksmurf: yes
[08:06] <ksmurf> and the backports?
[08:06] <nalioth> kanuha: imho ubuntuguide.org is to be taken lightly
[08:06] <hondje> Hi.  I want to use Alex Hudson's Hula repos, but I can't figure out what to put for Pin:
[08:06] <Seveas> ubuntuguide is not the best...
[08:06] <SeamusLP> ubuntu: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsSony
[08:06] <nalioth> kanuha: try the ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[08:06] <Chislon> hi
[08:06] <hondje> the repo is deb http://www.eurobob.eclipse.co.uk/hula debs/, so in preferences would I put Pin: a=debs ?
[08:07] <Chislon> my computer is set up with only a windows partition right now, is there a free program that can set up the swap partition and boot adn a partition for ubuntu? do i need a swap partition?
[08:07] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : Linux infant-finite 2.6.11.11 #1 Fri Jun 3 22:25:23 SAST 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux, NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-7664-pkg2.run, from offical nvidia
[08:07] <ubuntu> many thanks. I just boot on the cd and send two messages, and I receive help !
[08:07] <lsuactiafner> what more info do you need?
[08:07] <muixa> Given a 64bit AMD64 install; would i be able to simply apt-get install a 32bit version of mplayer -- maybe even the one from my fav debian source?
[08:07] <wawa> When I watch video in fullscreen mode the picture is blurred but its fine when in normal mode...can anyone help me
[08:07] <kanuha> The instructions worked perfect for me before. Just put together a 64 bit PC and installed fresh.
[08:07] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, ah
[08:07] <dos000> Seveas, pray tell where in the show listing i am supposed to look. policy is very clear to figure tho.
[08:07] <ompaul> Chislon, you do if you want effective useage
[08:07] <Seveas> 2.6.11
[08:07] <lsuactiafner> muixa : there aint a static mplayer32 binary
[08:07] <Jormundgand> Testing.
[08:07] <Seveas> 2.6.11 is not supported and has no official ubuntu nvidia drivers
[08:07] <lsuactiafner> i had to cross-compile one myself
[08:07] <delire> nova: how did it all go with the fglrx stuff..
[08:08] <amphore> Chislon: google for Partition Logic
[08:08] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, so you're on your own then...
[08:08] <amphore> it is free
[08:08] <Chislon> ompaul, ok thank you
[08:08] <lsuactiafner> so unless you do the same then you cant play codecs that havent been ported
[08:08] <Chislon> amphore, ok thank you
[08:08] <lsuactiafner> i made a binary if you want it
[08:08] <karljp> fucking kernel oops
[08:08] <karljp> drivers suck :(
[08:08] <ubuntu> what about bluetooth synchronization ? (t seems that the device is recognized)
[08:08] <toxicfume> Does anyone here have acherhk-0.5.22.tgz ? I can't access the official page anymore, it's down. If you do have it, please send me :)
[08:08] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : the previous driver works with this kernel.
[08:09] <ompaul> Chislon, start with the live CD and see if you like what you see after that get a second hardrive or just do without windows and get into the groove, it is just sweet, you can partition the disk into two sections, there are tools for that and before you use them you should defrag that other other operating system
[08:09] <Jormundgand> Who should I complain to about ide-cd being broken for CyberDrive CD-RWs?
[08:09] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : just becuase my setup didnt come with apt-get doesnt mean it shouldnt work like it should
[08:09] <hondje> Anyone good with /etc/apt/preferences ?
[08:09] <TINY_LINUX> HELLO SOMBODY CAN HELP ME TO CONFIGURE MY EXTERNAL MODEM
[08:09] <muixa> lsuactiafner, I don't think static is required... I don't think i'm making myself clear.
[08:09] <lsuactiafner> TINY_LINUX : dont speak in caps
[08:09] <Seveas> TINY_LINUX, please do not use caps
[08:09] <delire> "that other operating system". i've heard rumours of another.
[08:09] <dos000> anyone tell me why my kernel is stuck to 2.6.8 while 2.6.10 is available ? i am using hoary with the universe commented.
[08:09] <Chislon> ompaul, i used the live cd, but im not ready to get rid of windows
[08:10] <lsuactiafner> muixa : static is required for mplayer
[08:10] <Seveas> dos000, you have main uncommented?
[08:10] <kbrooks> Chislon: why?
[08:10] <bluefoxicy> HELLO TINY_LINUX.  YAHOO IS PROBABLY A BETTER PLACE FOR YOU.
[08:10] <_kevin> how do i login as root or give my account root privlages?
[08:10] <ubuntu> bye
[08:10] <ompaul> Chislon, have you much spare space?
[08:10] <lsuactiafner> everything else worked tho
[08:10] <dos000> Seveas, yes
[08:10] <TINY_LINUX> excuse me please i need configure my external modem
[08:10] <Seveas> _kevin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:10] <lsuactiafner> _kevin : su
[08:10] <kbrooks> bluefoxicy: DROP THE  CAPS OR ELSE
[08:10] <Chislon> kbrooks, because im not ready to get rid of windows :)
[08:10] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, no
[08:10] <perper> does anyone here have any experience with running beagle on hoary?
[08:10] <lsuactiafner> or type root @ a login prompt
[08:10] <kbrooks> lsuactiafner: s/su/sudo/
[08:10] <Chislon> ompaul, 40 gigs
[08:10] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, there is sudo in default ubuntu
[08:10] <mjr> muixa, I'll just state once more that you can't do what you want
[08:10] <kbrooks> s/root/sudo -s/
[08:10] <Amaranth> Seveas: next time ping me
[08:10] <delire> hehe
[08:10] <muixa> lsuactiafner, why is static required?
[08:10] <Seveas> Amaranth, didn't know you were there
[08:10] <ompaul> now is that completely spare or is it just the bit of the disk that is not in use?
[08:10] <wawa> You can install both then
[08:11] <lsuactiafner> muixa : without static you cant run 32bit codecs
[08:11] <bluefoxicy> kyle has joined the dark side
[08:11] <lsuactiafner> just trust me on it
[08:11] <TINY_LINUX> somebosy can tell me how can install my external modem
[08:11] <TINY_LINUX> pleaee
[08:11] <dos000> Seveas, i upgraded via the debian sarge installer mybe that could be it !
[08:11] <lsuactiafner> TINY_LINUX : i used wvdial
[08:11] <Amaranth> Seveas: i'm always here ;)
[08:11] <signius> muixa: what are you trying to do ?
[08:11] <kbrooks> TINY_LINUX:
[08:11] <Seveas> TINY_LINUX, if someone can help you, (s)he will tell. And please give more info...
[08:11] <ompaul> TINY_LINUX, when busy people are finished helping otherpeople they may get a chance to help you
[08:11] <Seveas> Amaranth, lol ;)
[08:11] <Amaranth> Seveas: /cs access #ubuntu list too
[08:11] <kbrooks> TINY_LINUX: info pls
[08:11] <Seveas> Amaranth, i know
[08:12] <muixa> mjr, okay, i saw something scroll by before that seemed to answer my question, though not the way I had hoped.   With all that SPAM i missed it.
[08:12] <Seveas> dos000, can you paste your sources.list somewhere please
[08:12] <TINY_LINUX> hey lsuactiafner, i have to install that package
[08:12] <muixa> signius, I want an AMD64  Linux that isn't FC with proper 32bit emulation
[08:12] <dos000> Seveas, in fact i did a debian installer (hoary would not allow me to install raid1) and did dist-upgrade.
[08:12] <wawa> When I watch video in fullscreen mode the picture is blurred but its fine when in normal mode...am I missing some settings?
[08:12] <dos000> Seveas, one sec .. ill pastebin it
[08:13] <lsuactiafner> muixa : ubuntu is very very good @ emulation
[08:13] <kbrooks> dougsk: not supported
[08:13] <lsuactiafner> thats one thing ubuntu can give themselves credit for
[08:13] <kbrooks> dos000: *
[08:13] <Seveas> dos000, that *should* work if your debian install wasn't too new
[08:13] <hondje> wawa: what are you using to watch the videos?
[08:13] <lsuactiafner> i run a 32bit firefox with no problems..
[08:13] <signius> When you have sudo su and have finished whatyou need to do as su how can you get back to a normal user without closing the temrinal down and restarting it ?
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[08:13] <hondje> signius: exit
[08:13] <Seveas> or type exit
[08:13] <vpalle> any kind of gui for starting/stopping daemons in hoary?
[08:13] <Seveas> or logout
[08:13] <hondje> logout too
[08:13] <lsuactiafner> it seems like you need to upgrade your glibc version which is not really
[08:13] <lsuactiafner> trivial.. nvidia is invistigating it and maybe they'll release a new driver
[08:13] <lsuactiafner> with the appropriate bug fixes..
[08:13] <Chislon> ompaul what do you mean, whats the diference between it being spare or disk thats not in use?  there is nothing on it,i probably wont use all of it for ubuntu to leave some space for windows...
[08:13] <hondje> Seveas: :)
[08:13] <signius> AH
[08:14] <signius> so simple
[08:14] <signius> thanks
[08:14] <wawa> hondje: I tried VLC and Totem
[08:14] <dos000> Seveas, it did not install ubunut-kering for sure.
[08:14] <hondje> wawa: totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?
[08:14] <Chislon> ompaul, i want windows for games, but this being my laptop cant run many games on it anyways, but dont want to get rid of windows yet if i ever do..
[08:14] <dos000> Seveas, i did it manually which was weird
[08:14] <Seveas> dos000, do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[08:14] <hondje> though the fact it did vlc and another is something
[08:14] <ompaul> Chislon, I asked you is that completely spare or is it just a bit of disk that is not in use?
[08:14] <Seveas> it's the main ubuntu metapackage
[08:14] <dos000> Seveas, no .. its a server install
[08:14] <Seveas> dos000, ubuntu-base then
[08:14] <wawa> hondje: The one which comes pre-isntalled
[08:15] <ompaul> Chislon, okay that answers the questions :)
[08:15] <Seveas> dos000, are you on intel or amd?
[08:15] <hondje> wawa: okay, gstreamer.  It shouldn't be doing it with both though, I don't know why it'd be doing that.
[08:15] <Chislon> ompaul, ok :)
[08:15] <ompaul> Chislon,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[08:15] <ompaul> Chislon, that will help you some
[08:16] <delire> ompaul: how is ubuntu for ntfs resizing these days?
[08:16] <Seveas> ntfsresize is ok
[08:16] <dos000> Seveas, i am on intel .. but i hope it does not make a difference as i am fine with the kernel bein 386
[08:16] <tranber> other users on sony vaio TR1MP ?
[08:16] <signius> why does this irc room show people IP address as they enter
[08:16] <Chislon> ompaul, thank you
[08:16] <delire> Seveas is it safe?
[08:16] <wawa> hondje: Am gona try installing MPlayer and see
[08:16] <signius> isnt that a really bad idea ?
[08:16] <dos000> Seveas, my apt sources http://pastebin.ca/13437
[08:16] <muixa> OKay, I risk sounding thick here, but I still don't think I understand were the multi-arch support stands in Ubuntu
[08:16] <Seveas> dos000, install linux-386 then (linux-686 for intel specific)
[08:16] <ompaul> Delire it is documented there
[08:16] <GammaRay> I noticed hoary ships w/ mkfs.reiser4. Does the setup program use version 4?
[08:17] <ompaul> delire, I have not willingly run windows in over 10 years, but you might have guessed that from yesterdays conversation :)
[08:17] <muixa> is there a summery of the implementation someplace?
[08:17] <Seveas> dos000, sources.list is ok, you really should install ubuntu-base
[08:17] <delire> ompaul: i know little about windows or the nt filesystem. i however know of many that have screwed their win32 partition with various ntfs resizing tools.
[08:17] <delire> ompaul: ;)
[08:17] <cusco> hi
[08:17] <cusco> cusco@Portatil:~/armagetronad$ sudo apt-get install libpng
[08:17] <cusco> Reading package lists... Done
[08:17] <cusco> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:17] <cusco> E: The package armagetronad needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[08:17] <Seveas> dos000, sources.list is ok, you really should install ubuntu-base AND linux-386 (kernel+restricted modules)
[08:17] <Seveas> cusco, DO NOT paste in here
[08:17] <cusco> sory :(
[08:17] <cusco> won0't happen again
[08:17] <cusco> how do I fix the armagetronad package?
[08:17] <kalias> Hi, first time user to ubuntu.
[08:18] <signius> I am getting an erorr when i try to do apt-get update
[08:18] <ompaul> delire, ah ha, so Chislon maybe you can have a look at having someone give you  a hand - and before you do go playing with the disk back up your backups :)
[08:18] <uniq> signius: what error?
[08:18] <GammaRay> pasteing is just fine. flooding is not
[08:18] <delire> Chislon: wise
[08:18] <Seveas> signius, what is the error
[08:18] <signius> Err http://security .ubuntu.com hoary-security Release.gpg
[08:18] <dos000> Seveas, ubuntu base is borking i pasted the error at http://pastebin.ca/13438
[08:18] <GammaRay> that was about the limit of what isn't a flood imho
[08:18] <kalias> Is there a channel the newbies should subscribe to?
[08:19] <Seveas> kalias, this channel is fine :)
[08:19] <ompaul> Chislon, but tbh I would rather people make the jump and get on with the short but fun learning curve
[08:19] <kalias> thank you :)
[08:19] <dimeo> whats the best gui for backups?
[08:19] <signius> Temporary failure resolving 'security.ubuntu.com'
[08:19] <Seveas> dos000, yeah, your debian glibc is newer than the ubuntu one
[08:19] <delire> kalias alot of people are experimenting and exploring in here, but all the technical rhetoric shouldn't put you off. this is for newbies also.
[08:19] <hondje> dimeo: I don'tk now if there is one
[08:19] <ompaul> Chislon, that was for delire :-/
[08:19] <_kevin> i try to open system monitor or terminal and it it dosn't open
[08:19] <Seveas> dos000, so you have a problem there :)
[08:19] <Chislon> ompaul, delire ok thank you
[08:19] <ulas_> hi
[08:20] <signius> i get the same error also for Release & archive
[08:20] <yahalom> how can i check what gcc version is running?
[08:20] <ompaul> Chislon, back ups
[08:20] <ulas_> anyone on breezy here ?
[08:20] <uniq> yahalom: gcc -v
[08:20] <Seveas> dos000, installing just linux-386 will install the correct kernel though
[08:20] <GammaRay> yahalom: gcc -v
[08:20] <delire> yahalom: gcc -v
[08:20] <kalias> okay, thanks.  I have just switched from gentoo to ubuntu so I have some questions also.
[08:20] <Seveas> yahalom, gcc -V
[08:20] <_kevin> same goes for all other applications
[08:20] <ksmurf> ...you need only to configure and build the code...   That is like telling me I only nedd 1000000 but by 3pm ....
[08:20] <wawa> Back up your system before trying resizing, I did resize my ntfs partition and the first time it worked like cham but the second time it screwed up
[08:20] <yahalom> uniq, GammaRay delire Seveas thanx :)
[08:20] <_kevin> i goto the aplication tab and try to open stuff and nothing opens
[08:21] <dimeo> wawa what's the easiest noob backup method?
[08:21] <ulas_> is there a way to fix breexzy Xorg problems ?
[08:21] <holo> hi
[08:21] <jeroen_> dimeo, just copy your files
[08:21] <GammaRay> -V? pshaw
[08:21] <kalias> delire:  Could you point me to some documentation that tells how to install other applications?  I would like to install samba and amule.
[08:21] <signius> _kevin: I had that happe with the old ubuntu live cd
[08:21] <yahalom> i installed gcc 4.0 without removing 3.0 shouldnt 4.0 show up?
[08:21] <Seveas> ulas_, read the topic...
[08:21] <wawa> dimeo: For windows system?
[08:21] <delire> yahalom: note ls -l /usr/bin/gcc reveals a symlink to a discrete version of gcc at the same level.
[08:21] <signius> _kevin: i downloaded the latest version and it didnt do it then
[08:21] <_kevin> I'm on Hoary 5.04
[08:21] <delire> kalias: i'm not sure of documentation on that, though i'm sure there is alot. i can help though
[08:22] <dos000> Seveas, is there any installer out there that does raid1 an would nicely allow me to do dist-upgrade to ubuntu-base ?
[08:22] <signius> ah
[08:22] <dimeo> jeroen_ I started a 6G copy but it stopped halfway.. how do I get it to copy the files and subdir still missing?
[08:22] <jeroen_> kalias, you use apt-get or some gui for it (synaptic)
[08:22] <Seveas> dos000, ENOIDEA
[08:22] <ulas_> Seveas: good one!
[08:22] <yahalom> delire, do i need to remove an earlier version to install a newer one? cos it wants to remove a whole bunch of apps
[08:22] <_kevin> this is weird, I can only access the programs already openm
[08:22] <_kevin> open*
[08:22] <signius> _kevin: Does it happen after you have configued a wireless card ?
[08:22] <ompaul> delire at one stage the desktop was booting Fbsd and 3 flavours of linux - a couple of generations before this box
[08:22] <_kevin> no
[08:22] <cusco> hi
[08:22] <cusco> look..
[08:22] <dimeo> alt ctrl backspace to restart gnome
[08:22] <signius> ok its not the same problem i had then
[08:22] <jeroen_> dimeo, can't you just copy the files again and choose to not overwrite already existing files?
[08:22] <_kevin> well the last thig i remember doing before i noticed it
[08:22] <cusco> E: The package armagetronad needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[08:22] <_kevin> was i was tryin to complie a program
[08:23] <cusco> E: Internal error opening cache (1). Please report.
[08:23] <_kevin> and it gave me an error
[08:23] <signius> i got round the issue my manually configuring the card via command line
[08:23] <dimeo> hey _kevin ... try that
[08:23] <jeroen_> dimeo, that restarts X
[08:23] <kalias> So I open the root terminal an use apt-get.  Do I need to compile the app once I get it or does get - apt do everything?  I am used to the emerge funciton on gentoo.
[08:23] <signius> but if i used the gui tool it crashed everyithing similar to how your desrcibing
[08:23] <cusco> I get this error in synaptic and in apt
[08:23] <dimeo> might help _kevin
[08:23] <_kevin> try what?
[08:23] <_kevin> ...
[08:23] <dimeo> restarting x
[08:23] <dos000> Seveas, you think there could be conflicts .. i would hate to worry for nothing !
[08:23] <jeroen_> kalias, it works
[08:23] <Seveas> kalias, apt downloads pre-compiled packages
[08:23] <_kevin> how do i do that
[08:23] <signius> Can anyone help with this gpg problem with apt updates ?
[08:23] <_kevin> without access to anything
[08:23] <delire> kalias: 1) your ubuntu system uses a package manager called 'dpkg'(de-package). a frontend to this package manager is 'apt' (from 'aptitude'). apt grabs pacakges from package servers called 'repositories', of which there are thousands around the world.
[08:23] <_kevin> except X-chat and THunderbird mail
[08:24] <Seveas> dos000, well, you have a non-ubuntu glibc now. It has been reported to work, but i have no personal experience with it
[08:24] <kalias> oh, I see.  Will it also setup the directory structure?
[08:24] <dimeo> jeroen_ but if I recopy, then everytime hits an already existing file, it stops and asks me... also I think it leaves directories alone even if they are missing the subdir
[08:24] <delire> kalias: .. apt gets these packages and tells dpkg to install them for you automatically. however you have to tell it what to install.
[08:24] <jeroen_> dimeo, not sure then
[08:25] <lsuactiafner> i got 500mb of extra packages
[08:25] <lsuactiafner> mostly deps so i can compile things
[08:25] <hondje> lsuactiafner: sell 'em on ebay
[08:25] <delire> kalias: 2) you can use a GUI to install packages, or the commandline. which would you prefer?
[08:25] <lsuactiafner> lol
[08:25] <holo> why does mpg123 and mp3blaster don't exist in ubuntu repositorys?
[08:25] <jeroen_> hondje, :)
[08:25] <dimeo> I've really liked gome-commander... awesome!
[08:25] <lsuactiafner> holo : exactly..
[08:25] <ompaul> ! restricted
[08:25] <ubotu> ompaul: No idea
[08:25] <lsuactiafner> holo : and now you need to download 30mb of packages just to compile mp3blaster yourself
[08:25] <kalias> I would like to try both out.  Since I am new to this system it is good to use all tools.
[08:25] <toxicfume> Does anyone here have acherhk-0.5.22.tgz ? I can't access the official page anymore, it's down. If you do have it, please send me :)
[08:25] <ompaul> !restricted packaged
[08:25] <ubotu> ompaul: I don't know, could you explain it?
[08:25] <ompaul> !restricted packages
[08:25] <ubotu> ompaul: Bugger all, i dunno
[08:25] <cusco> please help me with apt
[08:25] <lsuactiafner> mp3blaster=console > all
[08:26] <delire> kalias: ok we'll start with the command line, just so i can prove how easy it is ;)
[08:26] <lsuactiafner> toxicfume : get it from a gentoo source mirror
[08:26] <holo> lsuactiafner: are you kidding, worst that could happen was using debian repositorys, i do have a life
[08:26] <kalias> okay, you are on :))
[08:26] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, you should check the ubuntu website for restricted packages
[08:26] <cusco> E: The package armagetronad needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[08:26] <jeroen_> kalias, sudo apt-get install package or use synaptic or kynaptic
[08:26] <cusco> E: Internal error opening cache (1). Please report.
[08:26] <toxicfume> lsuactiafner: but the gentoo extension is .ebuild, which is different isn't it?
[08:26] <ompaul> holo you should check the ubuntu website for restricted packages
[08:26] <lsuactiafner> holo :  compile things yourself dont be lazy
[08:26] <lsuactiafner> no idea
[08:27] <lsuactiafner> i dont know much about ubuntu or debian..
[08:27] <hondje> are the ubuntu pkgs for hula messed up?
[08:27] <holo> lsuactiafner: then i think you are using the wrong distro, try gentoo, its for ultra geeks
[08:27] <hondje> It didn't dep-check like it should
[08:27] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, 'apt-get install package-name` is effective because someone else already did the hard work
[08:27] <toxicfume> well the one in gentoo repo's is .ebuild, i don't know if that's compatible with ubuntu
[08:27] <nova> hey delire you around?
[08:27] <kalias> okay, looks like I will have to try later, the baby is up.  I will be back later.
[08:28] <lsuactiafner> holo : the ultra geeks are just smarter than you
[08:28] <yahalom> guys i need help. i removed something that is removing my whole system, xfce and gnome everything! how do i undo it?
[08:28] <lsuactiafner> if you cant type ./configure ; make ; make install then you should get lost
[08:28] <holo> there are people out there that prefer to compile a whole system, than wasting its time in a more usefull way li learning how to program!
[08:28] <hondje> yahalom: ctrl-c?
[08:28] <Eighth> anyone have experience setting up gmail-notify with hoary?
[08:28] <lsuactiafner> yahalom : did that also.. unfun.. i just reinstalled the whole cd again
[08:28] <nalioth> toxicfume: you can find the src
[08:28] <holo> lsuactiafner: no, they are short sighted
[08:29] <lsuactiafner> holo : compiling mp3blaster takes less time than finding the package
[08:29] <holo> lsuactiafner: you are wrong
[08:29] <toxicfume> nalioth: from where?
[08:29] <delire> kalias: 3) searching. 'apt-cache search keyword' returns a list of packages based on keywords. so 'apt-cache search browser' returns a list of possible browsers to install. however to install anything you need adminsitrator access. this is handled with 'sudo' (== 'super user do') so 'sudo apt-cache search browser'
[08:29] <delire> kalias: hehe ok :)
[08:29] <delire> nova: sure
[08:29] <delire> nova: how did it go?
[08:29] <nova> didnt
[08:29] <lsuactiafner> holo : you are an arrogant american most likely
[08:29] <nalioth> toxicfume: did some1 not mention gentoo?
[08:30] <nova> 2 reinstalls of ubuntu this mornign
[08:30] <toxicfume> nalioth: yes lsuactiafner did
[08:30] <delire> nova: and?
[08:30] <nova> even xorg drivers are a no go
[08:30] <kbrooks> gentoo's  OT
[08:30] <nova> still cant get off the mesa3d
[08:30] <holo> and plus , the package will be always there to be used! binarys are good for almost situations, get used to it lsuactiafner
[08:30] <lsuactiafner> hondje aint you korean?
[08:30] <nova> if you got time ewant to try helping me out via vnc and or ssh?
[08:30] <nalioth> toxicfume: there should be a link from there to the src
[08:30] <holo> and i am not american
[08:30] <toxicfume> delire: hey
[08:31] <toxicfume> nalioth: from where? i don't know where gentoo sources are :S
[08:31] <jeroen_> hondje sounds dutch :/ It means doggy in dutch
[08:31] <nalioth> nova: it should be 'help you out with vnc AND ssh
[08:31] <lsuactiafner> holo : binaries compiled for i686 sucks, if i can use -O3 and athlon-4 to make it faster i will
[08:31] <nalioth> toxicfume: what are you looking for?
[08:31] <hondje> lsuactiafner: No, I'm not korean :)
[08:31] <lsuactiafner> mp3blaster plays 16hrs a day
[08:31] <hondje> jeroen_: Yep, but I'm not dutch
[08:31] <toxicfume> nalioth: acer aspire 1692
[08:31] <hondje> lsuactiafner: The missus is korean, and her mom can't read english
[08:31] <hondje> hence the korean font thing
[08:31] <nalioth> toxicfume: i dont have a clue waht that is. a computer? a part? a program?
[08:32] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, then you really are not in the correct channel, #slackware or #gentoo might be more to you'r liking >:->
[08:32] <lsuactiafner> holo : you are adopting a ms viewpoint of things
[08:32] <toxicfume> nalioth: what what is?
[08:32] <nalioth> toxicfume: what are you after that u were sent to gentoo?
[08:32] <lsuactiafner> ubuntu shouldnt aim to become a ms clone. it should embrace what linux is and make it easier for a newb to move to linux
[08:32] <holo> lsuactiafner: slow computers take too long to compile something just to be a little fast, very fast computers are fast enouph to bother compiling just to be a little optimized
[08:32] <holo> that my feeling about compiling
[08:33] <toxicfume> nalioth: a file called acerhk-0.5.22.tgz, which fixes some problems to do with Wireless card's killswitches on acer laptops
[08:33] <hondje> lsuactiafner: How's ubuntu being windows-cloney?
[08:33] <nalioth> holo: yes, but it gives us something for root-tail
[08:33] <holo> cpus are made to run the apps, not compile them 24 hours a day
[08:33] <nalioth> toxicfume: and you've googled for it?
[08:33] <toxicfume> nalioth: yes
[08:33] <hondje> seems like debian with newer desktop pkgs to me
[08:33] <lsuactiafner> hondje : it does so many things automatically that i dotn want or need or asked for.
[08:33] <toxicfume> nalioth: the official page that is is supposed to be on (http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~tauber/acerhk/), is down
[08:33] <lsuactiafner> and its not predictable..
[08:33] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, your suggesting is very insulting to anyone who uses debian, ubuntu, kanotix, knoppix, linspire, xandros and many more, including the smarts behind rpm (not that I really like it)
[08:33] <lsuactiafner> or consistant in its implementation
[08:33] <hondje> lsuactiafner: Well, predicatble is bad
[08:34] <nalioth> toxicfume: did you ask for googles cache of it?
[08:34] <lsuactiafner> ompaul : i use packages, but the programs i use daily i prefer to compile myelf
[08:34] <toxicfume> nalioth: but there's no point right? cause google cache won't cache the file anyways
[08:34] <hondje> Personally, I want my desktop to be automagical
[08:34] <lsuactiafner> i dont compile things like bash since i might screw it up
[08:34] <mackito> hi, i have a little question. I have a latptop with kubuntu and i have connected an external monitor, but this one displays the same image that the laptop screen, somebody can tell me how to put a continous display?
[08:34] <balubino> hi
[08:34] <lsuactiafner> but mp3blaster or blackbox i can do myself without screwing it up
[08:35] <nalioth> toxicfume: have you tried? i've d/l many files because the front page was borked, but the filetree wasnt
[08:35] <holo> things done automatically and with reliability are _good_
[08:35] <lsuactiafner> there should be a prompt, "do you want ntpdate to run @ boot Y/n"
[08:35] <toxicfume> nalioth: i tried it just now, didn't work
[08:35] <balubino> does anyone knows if beagle from backports supports pdf indexing?
[08:35] <Eighth> lsuactiafner: that'd be nice
[08:35] <hondje> holo: for a desktop, at least :)
[08:35] <toxicfume> nalioth: http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~tauber/acerhk/archives/acerhk-0.5.24.tgz <--- it's down
[08:35] <lsuactiafner> ntpdate stalling my bootup aint nice
[08:35] <nalioth> toxicfume: here ya go try this http://www.linuxforen.de/forums/showthread.php?t=180397
[08:35] <hondje> Though all this stuff is automated, it's just the scale
[08:35] <holo> debian ditros rock most becouse of their policy!
[08:35] <hondje> Not like people sit and press buttons on a webserver
[08:35] <holo> and it just works
[08:35] <holo> so why bother?
[08:35] <lsuactiafner> ntpdate should run with & in the background
[08:36] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, that is your choice and you are free to do that, but you have (A) no right to suggest that a package management system makes a GNU/Linux distibution like windows (B) you have a right to your opinion, but please realise this it is yours not anyone elses, though there are those that would agree with you
[08:36] <Micksa> shit.
[08:36] <LaLu> hello
[08:36] <Micksa> in gnumeric what's the name of the function to average a range of values?
[08:36] <toxicfume> nalioth: it's the same link that is down :/
[08:36] <lsuactiafner> ompaul : i didnt say that
[08:36] <iceman> I want to buy a mac, but what to get that will run Ubuntu well ..
[08:36] <hondje> Windows doesn't have pkg management
[08:36] <lsuactiafner> my point is not to take the linux power away and obsuring it
[08:36] <hondje> iceman: mini mac runs ubuntu fine
[08:36] <Choubaka> hondje: It does.
[08:36] <Chislon> how big do i want my swap and my file sharing partitions to be?
[08:36] <Choubaka> There's Windows installer.
[08:37] <lsuactiafner> if a user wants to compile programs themselves it should be easy
[08:37] <Choubaka> But it's nowhere near as good as dpkg/APT ;P
[08:37] <ompaul> well that is my reading of this statement:: lsuactiafner ubuntu shouldnt aim to become a ms clone. it should embrace what linux is and make it easier for a newb to move to linux
[08:37] <lsuactiafner> not a mission to get 50 more packages just to compile something
[08:37] <iceman> hondje whats specks on that system
[08:37] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: it is.
[08:37] <hondje> Choubaka: oh, learn something every day
[08:37] <mackito> hi, I have a latptop with kubuntu and i have connected an external monitor, but this one displays the same image that the laptop screen.
[08:37] <mackito>  somebody can tell me how to put a continous display?
[08:37] <signius> Has anyone here setup Evolution to connect to an Microsoft Exchange 2003
[08:37] <nalioth> iceman: pre "airport extreme" model of any sort
[08:37] <hondje> iceman: 1.25 or 1.4GHz G4, combo drive, etc
[08:37] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: Of course you need the .devs.
[08:37] <nalioth> iceman: runs ubuntu great!
[08:37] <lsuactiafner> ompaul : now whats wrong with that?
[08:37] <signius> It keeps failing with the info for OWA
[08:38] <kbrooks> how do i change .........
[08:38] <kbrooks> umm
[08:38] <signius> but i know 100% the info i am giving it is correct
[08:38] <iceman> wonder how this will work ... Looking for a cheap system .. G3 350 iMac Blueberry 10GB/64MB/CD
[08:38] <kbrooks> ok
[08:38] <cusco> E: The package armagetronad needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[08:38] <cusco> E: Internal error opening cache (1). Please report.
[08:38] <kbrooks> my time
[08:38] <ompaul> lsuactiafner,  your suggestion that it is trying to be a clone of something else
[08:38] <kbrooks> from 24 to 12
[08:38] <kbrooks> hours
[08:38] <lsuactiafner> ompaul : ubuntu shouldnt look @ microsoft for their desing methods.. ppl got to forget about ms and look @ linux and freebsd
[08:38] <toxicfume> nalioth: the forum you linked me too...it's the same link, it's down too
[08:38] <lsuactiafner> design methods
[08:38] <hondje> Ubuntu looks to debian for design
[08:38] <ompaul> desing?
[08:39] <peterbe> Hi all. I'm getting 401 errors when doing an apt-get update on backports.ubuntuforums.org. Solution?
[08:39] <hondje> peterbe: use mirrors
[08:39] <nalioth> toxicfume: you need to ask google more politely
[08:39] <nalioth> toxicfume: http://ftp.isu.edu.tw/pub/Linux/Gentoo/distfiles/?page=3
[08:39] <signius> desing ?
[08:39] <peterbe> hondje: got one?
[08:39] <lsuactiafner> ompaul : the first time i ran ubuntu i didnt know about gdm, killing X was a mission, it reminded me of ms
[08:39] <hondje> peterbe: No, just something I saw in the ubuntu forums, I bet you can see it there too....in the announcements section
[08:39] <Choubaka> :/
[08:39] <lsuactiafner> X should mention thats gdm is keeping it going no matter what
[08:40] <Chetic> http://img113.echo.cx/img113/5964/crap0es.jpg <-I got that during (my first) startup... it isn't supposed to happen is it? (please excuse the blur)
[08:40] <lsuactiafner> to be transparent to the user
[08:40] <hondje> Define mention, lsuactiafner
[08:40] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, is desing design? well I have been using FLOSS for 10 years, and gnome is not usually compared with the design of some closed source company
[08:40] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: X shouldn't do that.
[08:40] <Choubaka> gdm should
[08:40] <Chislon> how big should my swap and file sharing partitions bd please?
[08:40] <hondje> ompaul: sometimes with os x, in look
[08:40] <Choubaka> What's "desing"? :P
[08:40] <ksmurf> anyone have luck getting a serial wacom graphire going?
[08:40] <toxicfume> nalioth: lol, how did you manage to get that link? thanks :)
[08:40] <synd> i got a VNC server running on my Mac OS X iBook both and i cannot connect to it with this ubuntu box via vncviewer
[08:40] <nalioth> Chislon: swap should be at a minimum equal to the amount of ram you have
[08:40] <kbrooks> Choubaka: DESIGN
[08:40] <lsuactiafner> hondje : it should cleary stare once i press control alt backspace that X will be restarted by gdm in 3 seconds
[08:40] <ompaul> hondje, and OS/X was out a long time after gnome/KDE
[08:40] <signius> why does evolution insist on using OWA to revieve mail form an exchange server
[08:40] <peterbe> Does anybody here have a good mirror alternative for "backports"? backports.ubuntuforums.org doesn't work for me.
[08:40] <signius> what if you have setup OWA
[08:41] <Choubaka> kbrooks: Thought so. :P
[08:41] <signius> what will it do then ?
[08:41] <lsuactiafner> so if i truly want X dead i will get it dead
[08:41] <kbrooks> nalioth: inapplicable
[08:41] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: yep.
[08:41] <holo> lsuactiafner: that is very nice to say, but when you go to a computer store what do you see there installed? microsoft windows.. so obviously they have tom imitate their touch and look, at least kde does a little of that.. gnome imitates cocoa touch and feel without the accelerated stuff
[08:41] <kbrooks> to more than
[08:41] <nalioth> toxicfume: i speak many languages, but speak googlese best of all
[08:41] <Jormundgand> lsuactiafner: What if X is frozen and THAT'S why you're restarting?
[08:41] <Choubaka> kill it three times rapidly. :D
[08:41] <hondje> ompaul: yeah, but gnome is looking more and more like os x than it used to, not that it's bad
[08:41] <kbrooks> 256
[08:41] <kbrooks> mb
[08:41] <dimeo> It's directories like this: /mnt/windows/Documents\ and\ Settings/Matt/My\ Documents/My\ Music/  that make me wish for GUI
[08:41] <lsuactiafner> instead of forcing the user to do as ubuntu sees as the best option
[08:41] <Chislon> nalioth, ok, i have 736mb ram, so i should o 736?
[08:41] <mackito> hi all, I have a latptop with kubuntu and i have connected an external monitor, but this one displays the same image that the laptop screen. somebody call help me? i would be nice if I could see a continous display
[08:41] <Chislon> nalioth, or is more better? how much more?
[08:41] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: the user is not forced to anything.
[08:41] <kbrooks> dimeo: escaping due to bash
[08:41] <lsuactiafner> Jormundgand : no i didnt want to run a gui, so i wanted to kill it
[08:41] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: you can disable gdm :P
[08:42] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, there are two ways to use linux, be distro based or start with a distro and build your own
[08:42] <hondje> lsuactiafner: I see that something like gdm isn't obvious to a newbie, that X is a protocol, etc...
[08:42] <lsuactiafner> Choubaka : yeh but too me a ps aux and some huge grepping to figure out gdm was the cause of my problems
[08:42] <dimeo> kbrooks  escaping due to bash?
[08:42] <holo> personally, yesterday was the first time i came into contact with ubuntu.. and i loved it!!! :D
[08:42] <kbrooks> dimeo: yes
[08:42] <hondje> The magic is to make it unimportant
[08:42] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, and for the pedants there is build it all from scratch
[08:42] <toxicfume> nalioth: well more power to you
[08:42] <nalioth> kbrooks: inapplicable? please skewl me
[08:42] <nalioth> Chislon: you are fine with what you sent
[08:42] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: well, yeah.
[08:42] <J0el> hello , i just did apt-get update . when i mark a few packages to install , the Package manager just quits.. :\
[08:42] <holo> i will not use it, but will recommend further to all my friends
[08:42] <J0el> im on Ubuntu 4.01
[08:42] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: but that's just because you didn't know it was gdm
[08:42] <lsuactiafner> by being like microsoft i mean
[08:42] <hondje> You hit ctrl-alt-bckspace and it restarts 'something' ... newbie need not think about what
[08:42] <lsuactiafner> 'we are borg the system will do as we say'
[08:42] <dimeo> kbrooks can you elaborate?
[08:42] <Azmodan> I have a sound problem.  Sound works in some game (frozen-bubble, wesnoth) but not at all for the rest of the system (no sound at startup, no sound on events, can't play CDs and so on).  Any idea on how to set it so it works ?
[08:42] <Chislon> nalioth, meaning 736mb for swap is good? what about for file sharing?
[08:42] <Chetic> I can't start X :( http://img113.echo.cx/img113/1209/p60405194dk.jpg (ATi gfx card)
[08:43] <kbrooks> nalioth: SHOULD YOU create a 2 GB partition for swap?
[08:43] <lsuactiafner> Choubaka : ubuntu didnt inform me of gdm.. just like ms wouldnt
[08:43] <nalioth> toxicfume: is that what u were looking for?
[08:43] <rdsaari> how to fully update ubuntu?
[08:43] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: you'll find that kind of thing will happen a lot less often with ubuntu than with windows
[08:43] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: Why should ubuntu inform you of gdm?
[08:43] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: newbies needn't know about gdm
[08:43] <signius> This is garbage
[08:43] <nalioth> Chislon: the file sharing partition is up to you. how much file sharing do you plan on doing?
[08:43] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: but it will still happen occasionally
[08:43] <toxicfume> nalioth: yes looks likes it, thanks
[08:43] <lsuactiafner> Choubaka : becuase it was doing something automatically without my knowledge
[08:43] <nalioth> kbrooks: i would not
[08:43] <rdsaari> how can i update ubuntu to the current version?
[08:43] <kbrooks> lsuactiafner: pm  me..........
[08:43] <signius> i dont understand why evolution insists on using OWA for authentication
[08:43] <lsuactiafner> it was forcing me to run X even tho i didnt want it to, without telling me how to get X to stop
[08:43] <Chislon> nalioth so i only need to make it as big as the biggest file id send (if i only sent one file at a time?)
[08:43] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: you can't expect to be told everything all the time. you'd be swamped.
[08:43] <yccheok> how to use wget to only down load jpeg from a site??
[08:43] <hondje> frankly, I'm glad that I can install a distro and not worry about x font server, configuring gdm, etc etc etc
[08:44] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, ohh look there was a clock cycle that was used to trigger a refresh of RAM
[08:44] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: It wasn't forcing you.
[08:44] <Micksa> *snigger*
[08:44] <nalioth> Chislon: i dont use a "file sharing partition" i use my home directory
[08:44] <hondje> lsuactiafner: oh yeah, I'd like an option in gdm to drop to console
[08:44] <Micksa> CTRL-ALT-F1
[08:44] <lsuactiafner> cmon stop being zealots
[08:44] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: You can't expect Ubuntu to teach you automatically.
[08:44] <nalioth> Chislon: giving me up to 40gb on this machine
[08:44] <hondje> Micksa: That works, but gdm should have that option
[08:44] <lsuactiafner> forcing a user into something becuase the designers didnt anticipate something is wrong period
[08:44] <hondje> we want clickys, they make newbies feel comfortable
[08:45] <mackito> hi all, I have a latptop with kubuntu and i have connected an external monitor, but this one displays the same image that the laptop screen. somebody call help me? i would be nice if I could see a continous display
[08:45] <hondje> lsuactiafner: forcing the user to be in X?
[08:45] <snoop_> can anyone help me out with a broacom chipset wireless card
[08:45] <Micksa> IMHO if you're the kind of person who needs to drop to text console you should be the kind of person who can work with CTRL-ALT-F1 :)
[08:45] <Chislon> nalioth, how does that work? is that what reading the Share Partitions Between Linux and Windows HowTo from Ed's Software guide on linux will teach me to do?
[08:45] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: But what confusion would it cause if the user wanted to just restart X, and instead end up killing it?
[08:45] <Micksa> shoving cmdline in front of people's face is probably not wise.
[08:45] <hondje> Micksa: ah, but that cramps on exploring...the more a user explores, the more comfy they feel, and they stay
[08:45] <nalioth> Chislon: ah you didnt mention sharing tween windoze and linux
[08:45] <Micksa> most users won't feel comfy exploring bash 8)
[08:46] <hondje> Why would a newbie that didn't know what gdm was want to kill X?
[08:46] <Chislon> nalioth, well what else do you file share?
[08:46] <Micksa> GUI stuff maybe
[08:46] <Choubaka> hondje: exactly. :/
[08:46] <lsuactiafner> Choubaka : sure great restart X, great for newbs, they love it, but give a user the option to make X die
[08:46] <rdsaari> how to update to the current version of ubuntu?
[08:46] <nalioth> Chislon: what i do is this: 4gb for windoze (way too much, if ya ask me), 4 gb for linux and the rest fat32
[08:46] <Chislon> nalioth, im just tring to follow along the dual boot install and it talked about it, and ya its with windows, what else would i file share with?
[08:46] <holo> why ubuntu doesn't use beep-media-mplayer?
[08:46] <holo> its much more cool
[08:46] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:46] <holo> than xmms
[08:46] <Choubaka> done.
[08:46] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: did you get this upset when you found out about cron? :)
[08:46] <hondje> I agree with the option in gdm to drop to console
[08:46] <hondje> other distros have that
[08:46] <nalioth> holo: because you havent installed it
[08:46] <snoop_> help with a wireless card?
[08:46] <Chislon> nalioth, oh... so you do just the operating systems, plus ur swap file, and then just store everything on fat32... ok...
[08:46] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, in my opinion (not humble) this is not being a zealot, a tad pedantic maybe but not a lot, it is because I see you building on sand that I shake your foundations so that you may see a firmer building method
[08:46] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: or /etc/rc*.d?
[08:47] <rdsaari> #join kubuntu
[08:47] <Choubaka> init.d
[08:47] <lsuactiafner> Micksa : that i did..
[08:47] <holo> nalioth: :p aha nice joke, i tried at least, have you installed it?
[08:47] <nalioth> Chislon: in this way, u can access from both win and linux
[08:47] <nalioth> holo: yes i have
[08:47] <Micksa> Choubaka: I'm gonna kick you in the nnnuts
[08:47] <Choubaka> What?
[08:47] <Jormundgand> ompaul: And from there it's only a jump to "I kill them because I want them to see the error of supporting the religion they do".
[08:47] <nalioth> holo: not enthused with it (not enthused with xmms, either)
[08:47] <Chislon> nalioth, ya... is fat32 what linux is nativly in? or is there a faster way for it to be or soemthign?
[08:47] <andred> I'd like to edit /etc/hdparm.conf to enable dma on my /dev/hdc (cdrom) by default, but using the path '/dev/hdc' fails on startup, and same with '/dev/cdrom'. Is this because of udev, and these device files not being created at that point?
[08:48] <nalioth> Chislon: fat32 is an older windoze filesystem that linux can read/write to w/o any problems
[08:48] <holo> nalioth: i don't use it either, just mpg123 here, but its for a girl :D
[08:48] <nalioth> Chislon: linux filesystems include (but are not limited to) ext2, ext3, reiserfs
[08:48] <david__> does anyone know the command to access the xorg config gui?
[08:48] <djp> anyone know how to get multisync working with a k700i mobile under ubuntu hoary? it keeps asking for a passcode, however if i enter the id which is in my pin file located @ /etc/bluetooth it just keeps telling me passcode mismatch! any ideas?
[08:48] <Choubaka> Anyway, users who want total control aren't newbies.
[08:49] <nalioth> holo: musicplayer
[08:49] <david__> Choubaka, RIGHT ON MAN!
[08:49] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: okay, so yeah, some stuff gets done behind the scenes without you knowing it, but that's what makes an OS easier to use for most people.  The difference about ubuntu (and linux) is that you can much more easily figure out what's going on, if you know where to look.
[08:49] <Chetic> I can't start X :( http://img113.echo.cx/img113/1209/p60405194dk.jpg (ATi gfx card)
[08:49] <ompaul> Jormundgand, I do not think that I was anywhere near there, I spent much of the time I was in france (the previous two weeks) seeing the folly of war
[08:49] <Hect000r> hello everyone. I just installed ubuntu 5.04 but changed gnome to xfce becasue i want to run as quickly as posible. any suggestions?
[08:49] <Choubaka> I _have_ total control over my ubuntu. :)
[08:49] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: for example, the boot process starts with /sbin/init. if you go "man init" you find out about /etc/inittab, which shows what else starts up, then you can traverse from there
[08:49] <Chislon> nalioth, ok... is fat32 gonna make windows and linux not run as well tho?
[08:50] <delire> nova sorry, batter died.
[08:50] <Choubaka> That's because I'm not a newbie, and can tell it to stop doing things.
[08:50] <Micksa> I have NO idea how to traverse windows' boot process :)
[08:50] <Micksa> wish I did actually
[08:50] <Dvondrake> lol
[08:50] <Choubaka> Fucking up one's system shouldn't be made easy. :D
[08:50] <Dvondrake> how long does it usually take for the ubuntu shipit cds to arrive?
[08:50] <hondje> should be made? It already is
[08:50] <Choubaka> hondje: not to newbies.
[08:50] <hondje> I do it regularly, like somehow losing my automounting magic
[08:50] <nalioth> Chislon: not at all, the 4gb partition for windoze can be ntfs or fat32, linux has its own 4gb partition in its own filesystem and linux reads/writes at the same speed to all r/w filesystems
[08:51] <lsuactiafner> Micksa : i know all that, been in slackware for 5yrs and booting into a GUI was very annoying for me.. but figuring out that gdm kept restarting X took too long, ther should be an option "against the ubuntu teams recommendations kill X off and be done with it"
[08:51] <Chetic> I never set a root password, yet it asks me for one. What is it?
[08:51] <Dvondrake> helloooo
[08:51] <Dvondrake> how long does it usually take for the ubuntu shipit cds to arrive?
[08:51] <nalioth> Chetic: use your own pwd
[08:51] <Chislon> nalioth ok... but since i have like 14 gigs of stuff on ... i cant really do that easily to make it 4 gigs for windows and then move the 10 gigs to another partition?
[08:51] <Amaranth> Chetic: Are you on breezy?
[08:51] <Church_of_FoamY> whats the command to get ubuntu to tell you what version it is?
[08:51] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: well I guess xdm is one of those things you had the misfortune to find out about the hard way.
[08:51] <hondje> lsuactiafner: ctrl-alt-backspace behaves like that on most distros I've used
[08:51] <Dvondrake> how long does it usually take for the ubuntu shipit cds to arrive?
[08:51] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, you should have a look at the man pages for the commands runlevel and init
[08:51] <Dvondrake> will someone ever answer -.-
[08:52] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: feel free to go back to slackware if you feel that ubuntu does too much behind you back.
[08:52] <funky> any place where find unnoficial deb packages ?
[08:52] <hondje> lsuactiafner: if you want it dead, just sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:52] <nalioth> Chislon: all i can say is buy another HD or use partition magic
[08:52] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: also consider a server install of ubuntu.
[08:52] <Dvondrake> how long does it usually take for the ubuntu shipit cds to arrive?
[08:52] <Amaranth> Church_of_FoamY: cat /etc/lsb_release
[08:52] <lsuactiafner> Micksa : ubuntu is great, just dont adopt a ms attitude to define user-friendlyness
[08:52] <Micksa> Dvondrake: it would appear that nobody knows.
[08:52] <ompaul> Dvondrake, longer than a download :)
[08:52] <Chetic> nalioth, my own password? I only set my regular users password and it doesn't work on root.
[08:52] <Chislon> nalioth, ok thank you
[08:52] <Dvondrake> lol
[08:52] <Chetic> Amaranth, What?
[08:52] <Dvondrake> anyways
[08:52] <Dvondrake> i'll br off now
[08:52] <Dvondrake> be*
[08:52] <hondje> lsuactiafner: I'm confused
[08:52] <lsuactiafner> if you make a system any idiot can use only idiots will want to use it..
[08:52] <Hect000r> I just installed ubuntu 5.04 but changed gnome to xfce becasue i want to run as quickly as posible. any suggestions on what changes to make?
[08:52] <signius> is anyone else having problems trying to do an apt-get update ?
[08:53] <nalioth> Chetic: then i don't know. ubuntu is 'sudo-centric'
[08:53] <medkit> anyone here with a hpt372 chipset or pci ide controller?
[08:53] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: no, no, no.
[08:53] <hondje> The way things like these are set up is pretty much the way debian is set up
[08:53] <Chetic> nalioth, I have never used sudo before.. heh
[08:53] <lsuactiafner> Hect000r : run blackbox
[08:53] <signius> Err http://security .ubuntu.com hoary-security Release.gpg
[08:53] <signius> Temporary failure resolving 'security.ubuntu.com'
[08:53] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: Power users will learn to disable the automagic.
[08:53] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, now that begs abuse, but instead I will call you a troll as defined in the jargon manual
[08:53] <hondje> I doubt anyone would say debian is 'ms-esque'
[08:53] <Micksa> what Choubaka said
[08:53] <snoop_> hey everyone, can someone help me out with a wireless card?
[08:53] <signius> i been getting this for 2 days now
[08:53] <spanglesontoast> is there any gui task maker to run at a certain time?
[08:53] <Micksa> that's another difference from windows...
[08:54] <signius> so its not that temporary
[08:54] <Micksa> you CAN disable the behind-the-scenes stuff
[08:54] <hondje> I don't get why this ms-way is so bad for a desktop....I don't like too much magic on my webserver, but I want my desktop to work without me thinking
[08:54] <Choubaka> I _hate_ when windows doesn't learn to not show those annoying bubbles.
[08:54] <lsuactiafner> signius : i'm a power user that got threatened by the ms assimalation attitude.. be more verbose and allow for easy compilations but allow a user to say fsck it i want to untar on my own
[08:54] <Choubaka> they drive me freaking _insane_
[08:54] <david__> does anyone knwo the command to run the xorg config?
[08:54] <Micksa> hondje: it's hard for some people to admit that windows does do some things right :)
[08:55] <hondje> Micksa: true, evil-empire and what not
[08:55] <Micksa> david__: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[08:55] <karljp> what's the most acdsee like image viewer for linux?  I've tried gqview, qiv, kuickshow, gtksee, xv, pornview, gwenview, gliv, showimg, fbi, gimageview, electriceyes
[08:55] <Choubaka> Every time I log into my bro's machine, windows says: "There are unused icons on the desktop"
[08:55] <hondje> But MS does automagic, people gripe, but apple does MORE of it, and everyone loves it
[08:55] <holo> Micksa: it does things work, but i find it hard to use and easy to wreck
[08:55] <Micksa> david__: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" to get it to not ask annoying complex questions :)
[08:55] <signius> lsuactiafner: i think yoru more suited to the gentoo or slackware distros
[08:55] <lsuactiafner> ompaul : linux should stay unix, it shouldnt become a box like windows
[08:55] <ompaul> dpkg-reconfig xorg or xorgcfg
[08:55] <david__> Micksa, ty so much that's it!
[08:55] <Choubaka> hondje: maybe apple does it the right way :D
[08:55] <signius> ive messed with gentoo and lifes too short
[08:55] <david__> and ompaul
[08:55] <dimeo> karljp which one that you've tried is your fav so far?
[08:55] <david__> got it!! :)
[08:56] <lsuactiafner> if i wanted my OS to decide whats best for me and ignore my commands and needs i would run windows
[08:56] <Choubaka> and "Click here to clean your desktop"
[08:56] <hondje> Why can't linux offer a Free, OpenSource desktop that anyone can use?
[08:56] <holo> signius: that's good lesson you learnt! :]  i am glad i didn't have to learn that lesson either
[08:56] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: Ubuntu is not ignoring your commands. Troll.
[08:56] <kbrooks> hondje: "anyone"?
[08:56] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, it can't be it is free as in freedom
[08:56] <dimeo> gnome isn't opensource?
[08:56] <hondje> kbrooks: nearly anyone
[08:56] <Choubaka> It is.
[08:56] <kbrooks> Choubaka: stfu
[08:56] <ompaul> dimeo, that is news to me
[08:56] <spanglesontoast> sleep 1m xmms
[08:56] <signius> emerge is a serious package manager
[08:56] <spanglesontoast> doesn't work
[08:56] <Choubaka> kbrooks: wtf?
[08:56] <hondje> I'd love it if my family members didn't have to pay hundreds of dollars to bill gates for the latest windows
[08:56] <Micksa> hondje: WE'RE WORKING ON IT, GEEZ
[08:56] <kbrooks> Choubaka: he isnt a troll
[08:56] <ompaul> dimeo,  ohh dear I have been duped
[08:56] <karljp> dimeo: gqview so far.
[08:56] <Choubaka> kbrooks: He appears so.
[08:56] <signius> and i think gentoo are now releasign pre comiled binaries for emerge
[08:57] <kbrooks> Choubaka: he isnt.
[08:57] <hondje> Micksa: I'm not complaining, I'm talking to lsuactiafner
[08:57] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: okay, you're right. ubuntu sucks. I'm switching to gentoo or something.
[08:57] <signius> so its obviously something the gentoo developers thoguht was needed
[08:57] <kbrooks> Micksa: pm
[08:57] <J0el> hello , i just did apt-get update . when i mark a few packages to install , the Package manager just quits.. :\
[08:57] <Choubaka> :P
[08:57] <ompaul> Micksa, can you switch for me too?
[08:57] <holo> lsuactiafner: you OS doesn't ignore your commands, he does what you want, but you are still working for him, and not the opposite
[08:57] <karljp> but I can't rename while I'm viewing, and it can't show me image stats in the browser.
[08:57] <dimeo> karljp is that in ubuntu repositories?
[08:57] <Deanos> Hi guys... Where is the best place for a Noob to ask dumb questions?
[08:57] <karljp> it's the best so far though.
[08:57] <karljp> gqview, yeah
[08:57] <lsuactiafner> Choubaka : control alt delete should kill off X, if gdm wants to restart X then put that information on the screen
[08:57] <hondje> Deanos: Lots of dumbness here today :)
[08:57] <karljp> it's the best so far by quite a way
[08:58] <signius> Deanos: here is a good a place as any
[08:58] <lsuactiafner> i'm asking for more verbose output
[08:58] <karljp> gtksee tries to mirror acdsee, but it's gtk1, and incomplete at best
[08:58] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: don't run gdm.
[08:58] <signius> plenty of noobs in here
[08:58] <dimeo> Thats me!
[08:58] <dimeo> I'
[08:58] <Choubaka> gdm's _sole job_ is to automatically start X ffs.
[08:58] <HappyFool> J0el: what package manager? synaptic?
[08:58] <dimeo> I'm worth 10 noobs
[08:58] <holo> Choubaka: just killall gdm as root ;)
[08:58] <delire> hehe
[08:58] <J0el> HappyFool, Yes.
[08:58] <Choubaka> gdm only does what it is supposed to ;/
[08:58] <lsuactiafner> you guys are missing my point, the first time i ran ubuntu it didnt obey my command, instead i had to ps aux to find out gdm was causing X to restart
[08:58] <hondje> I see what lsuactiafner is saying, it would be nice if there was an option in gdm to drop into console...probably get used more than that hibernate one
[08:58] <kbrooks> holo
[08:59] <J0el> some packages install , the others just make Synaptic quit.
[08:59] <holo> kbrooks: ok slay user :D
[08:59] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: it did obey your command. ;P
[08:59] <kbrooks> holo, hondje:
[08:59] <Deanos> Thanks... I need to know how to install lates Nvidia drivers, cause it tell me to do a lot of stupid thing that I dunno how to do...
[08:59] <kbrooks> newbies!
[08:59] <crimsun> toxicfume: sure, I'm here for about 90 mins. What's up?
[08:59] <hondje> But ctrl-alt-backspace always makes gdm restart if it's running, not die
[08:59] <lsuactiafner> Choubaka : no it forced me back into the gui without telling me why i was looking @ the desktop again
[08:59] <J0el> HappyFool, can i pm u?
[08:59] <littleworm> how can i restore my last configuration that worked?
[08:59] <HappyFool> J0el: are you running a normal ubuntu release, e.g. hoary hedgehog (aka 5.04) ?
[08:59] <toxicfume> crimsun: hey
[08:59] <djp> anyone know how to get multisync working with a k700i mobile under ubuntu hoary? it keeps asking for a passcode, however if i enter the id which is in my pin file located @ /etc/bluetooth it just keeps telling me passcode mismatch! any ideas?
[08:59] <kbrooks> newbies have to know 3 new  keys.................
[08:59] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: ctrl-alt-bspace kills X. gdm is running, and it's job is to restart X if it's not running.
[08:59] <TTilus> lsuactiafner: it's ctrl alt backspace (if you mean to kill _only_ X)
[08:59] <HappyFool> J0el: i guess. if we keep it here people can correct my mistakes ;)
[08:59] <hondje> kbrooks: hey, I survived as a newbie with less protection :)
[08:59] <hondje> and I'm a total computer moron
[09:00] <mackito> hi all, I have a latptop with kubuntu and i have connected an external monitor, but this one displays the same image that the laptop screen. somebody call help me? i would be nice if I could see a continous display
[09:00] <J0el> no im running the Warty one ..
[09:00] <nalioth> kbrooks: what was up with the 2gb question whallago?
[09:00] <spanglesontoast> how can I make a program run at a certain time?
[09:00] <kbrooks> can't newbies USE the infamous ........ 3 finger salute?
[09:00] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: so, if you wanted to exit GUI, you wouldn't have to kill X, but X and gdm.
[09:00] <Micksa> TTilus: that was his problem, gdm just restarted X
[09:00] <lsuactiafner> spanglesontoast : cron
[09:00] <linukso> lsuactiafner: if you are a "power user", I guess you should know how to stop gdm...
[09:00] <delire> spanglesontoast sleep
[09:00] <HappyFool> J0el: what packages are you trying to install?
[09:00] <delire> spanglesontoast or cron
[09:00] <toxicfume> crimsun: well today somehow i managedto get wireless running..i found out that the problem actually was because ubuntu is confused about the killswitch of the wireless card on my laptop..so i did the setkeycodes thing and got it working, but only for a while..after then it did not work again
[09:00] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, go figure out what a daemons job is, and read something like unix internals and then say that - if you want do use xinit or xdm or kdm or something else be my guest but you are in the wrong place to get that line listened to, this is a distro that is designed for the home user and on the other side it being a distro it is just as capable of doing what you ask it to, so rather than complaining why not go figure out what it
[09:00] <ompaul>  needs and put your project up on sourceforge and see how many download it so that you may protect us from ourselves :)
[09:00] <J0el> i added the universal repositories ... if thats right
[09:00] <spanglesontoast> how do I use sleep?
[09:00] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: it DID obey your commands, you just didn't know what command to give it ;)
[09:00] <J0el> well i was trying to install Sdl n opengl
[09:00] <holo> TTilus: lsuactiafner is an extremist .. he must be anti-american/anti-macDonalds, he doesn't believe in killing just the important stuff
[09:00] <hondje> ompaul: kdm restarts when ctrl-alt-bkspace too
[09:00] <holo> :x
[09:00] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: of course, it isn't obvious to newbies, but anyone who wants to exit gui, should know about GDM.
[09:01] <crimsun> toxicfume: ah, well I can't help with that
[09:01] <HappyFool> J0el: hmm
[09:01] <Micksa> gdm is not terribly new, it's not like nobody knows about it.
[09:01] <littleworm> how can i restore my last configuration that worked?
[09:01] <J0el> HappyFool, even the 3ddesktop wont install.
[09:01] <HappyFool> J0el: have you tried to use apt-get instead? perhaps you'll get a more meaningful error message
[09:01] <Choubaka> newbies don't care. only powerusers do.
[09:01] <lsuactiafner> Choubaka : slackware users dont know anything about gdm, look on freshmeat, slackware is thee most popular linxu
[09:01] <ompaul> hondje, he has to find startx or some such but that is for him, the rest of us can get on with our lives
[09:01] <Choubaka> and powerusers should know about gdm.
[09:01] <kbrooks> i wannt xorg
[09:01] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: most popular on freshmeat.
[09:02] <kbrooks> apt-get install xorg?
[09:02] <HappyFool> J0el: can you put your /etc/apt/sources.list here: http://rafb.net/paste/
[09:02] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: I'm willing to be most slackware users do know about gdm.
[09:02] <lsuactiafner> Choubaka : i'm a power user, i know as much about linux as the top 5% in this channel
[09:02] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: debian/ubuntu users,at least, don't tend to search freshmeat
[09:02] <stazz> How to change the order of soundcards in ubuntu?
[09:02] <lsuactiafner> but gdm was damn annoying
[09:02] <dimeo> Here's my noobish  reason why I like Ubuntu today:   I spent hours learning geeky commandlines , but I didn't work 10 hours to pay for my software.
[09:02] <J0el> HappyFool, yes i will in a sec.
[09:02] <Choubaka> and you didn't know about gdm?
[09:02] <linukso> lsuactiafner: then turn it of...
[09:02] <hondje> lsuactiafner: that's how gdm always behaves though, in all distros I've sued
[09:02] <HappyFool> kbrooks: try "apt-cache search xorg"
[09:02] <hondje> s/sued/used
[09:02] <Choubaka> a rare case. :/
[09:02] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: is it possible that you're just upset because your computer outsmarted you?
[09:02] <lsuactiafner> gdm aint in the distroes ive used..
[09:02] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: it's in most desktop distros.
[09:03] <delire> dimeo: hehe interesting evaluation of chosen circumstance
[09:03] <Choubaka> and it should be so.
[09:03] <littleworm> how can i restore my last configuration that worked?
[09:03] <Choubaka> it may not be in slackware, but slackware sure as hell is not a newbie distro.
[09:03] <medkit> under /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7/kernel/drivers/ide/pci are, among other, two modules: hpt366.ko and hpt34x.ko. In the Kernel headers makefile i find them referenced with obj-$(CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HPT34X)  and obj-$(CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HPT366). I have a hpt372 pci ide controller and the attached harddrives are not detected.
[09:03] <TTilus> littleworm: last conguration of what?
[09:03] <lsuactiafner> argh cmon zealots, its clear that gdm forces a user to do something and that ubuntu development should add an option to drop to the console and to close down the gui if the user wants it
[09:03] <signius> is anyone else having problems with http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[09:03] <Amaranth> Choubaka: between xdm, gdm, or kdm pretty much every distro that isn't DSL is covered
[09:03] <Micksa> TTilus: I think he means like in windows
[09:03] <Micksa> for booting
[09:03] <hondje> lsuactiafner: durng a ctrl-alt-backspace?
[09:03] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, it is in mandriva, redhat, and suse or one of its cusions is  get a bit more life experiance - I first coded in cobol 25 years ago and I still know very little :)
[09:03] <signius> i am getting erros when trying to use synaptic or apt-get
[09:03] <hondje> If you're doing that, how's it going to ask what you want?
[09:04] <TTilus> Micksa: ummh...  ah
[09:04] <lsuactiafner> read what i said and drop your zeal for ubuntu, i'm giving you guys a very good suggestion, not telling you ubuntu sucks
[09:04] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: there is, it's "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop"
[09:04] <dimeo> Why do I dislike living in a hightech world today?  My wife unplugged a USB device and it blew the fuse on the powersupply of the computer.  But the fuse is  *not*replaceable.  :( wtf?
[09:04] <littleworm> TTilus: i tried to apply the tvout connection and i can only get to the user choosing menu
[09:04] <delire> dimeo: the command line is a gateway to many excellent things. most of the servers in the world speak the language of your terminal.
[09:04] <lsuactiafner> if i didnt like ubuntu i wouldnt run it
[09:04] <linukso> lsuactiafner: if you want that, then you prob. dont need gdm, just use startx...
[09:04] <Choubaka> lsuactiafner: Ok, that sounds reasonable. Go code it yourself or file a big report. :)
[09:04] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: what sugesstion?
[09:04] <Amaranth> err, -s
[09:04] <stazz> How to change the order of soundcards in ubuntu?
[09:04] <linukso> lsuactiafner: but I'm shure its a gdm option
[09:04] <spanglesontoast> sleep 3s xmms /home/edd/music/queen.mp3
[09:04] <nalioth> dimeo: no shit? fuse blew on a usb removal?
[09:04] <spanglesontoast> doesn't work
[09:04] <Amaranth> err, +g
[09:04] <Choubaka> err.
[09:05] <Choubaka> bug report, even
[09:05] <lsuactiafner> Micksa : A GReAT cOMMAND IF GDM WAS MeNTIONSeD  WHeN I TRIeD TO KILL X
[09:05] <delire> dimeo: and equally applicable on OSX, albeit OSX is extremely inflexible and resistant to modification of most kinds.
[09:05] <lsuactiafner> but it wasnt..
[09:05] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: we can't put EVERYTHING in dialog boxes, there'd be too much for most people to deal with
[09:05] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: the user already has that option via ctrl+alt+F[1-7] 
[09:05] <J0el> HappyFool, Here i think this is it ..http://rafb.net/paste/results/TkBwnF61.html
[09:05] <lsuactiafner> Micksa : ever heard of just displaying info in the corner of the screen?
[09:05] <nalioth> delire: ya got that right about osx, thats why i run ubuntu on this mac
[09:05] <TTilus> littleworm: every time you try to turn tvout on (?) you get thrown out and login screen comes up?
[09:05] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: you know gdm and xdm (its predecessor) have been around for years now?
[09:05] <Micksa> decades even
[09:05] <dimeo> nalioth I'm guessing that when the USB device was instantly powered off, the computer powersupply had a drain on it that caused the fuse to blow
[09:05] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: Don't do that again, please.
[09:05] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : i tried to install nvidia drivers, X must be killed for that
[09:05] <lsuactiafner> dropping to console that way didnt work
[09:05] <Micksa> they're really nothing new or radical
[09:05] <delire> nalioth: excellent move ;) i run it on a g4 tower at work for the same reason.
[09:06] <Choubaka> Oh well.
[09:06] <holo> lsuactiafner: wow you use the word kill too many times. you must be obcessive with killing
[09:06] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: you don't need to kill X to install the Nvidia drivers.
[09:06] <holo> kill! kill! kill!
[09:06] <littleworm> TTilus: i've config it, restarted, and now i can only reach the user choosing menu
[09:06] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : my point is this: there should be an option to drop to console and to close X
[09:06] <nalioth> delire: since yer work G4 is wired, you are in great shape, i don't run linux on my new mac cuz the apx doesnt work (yet)
[09:06] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : yes you do.
[09:06] <kbrooks> lsuactiafner: there is
[09:06] <lsuactiafner> An NVIDIA kernel module 'nvidia' appears to already be loaded in your kernel.
[09:06] <ompaul> lsuactiafner, emm you don't
[09:07] <spanglesontoast> how do I use sleep????
[09:07] <lsuactiafner> you cant unload it unless X is dead
[09:07] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: all you needed to do is log in to X Window System using the 'nv' driver, make the changes requested on wiki/BinaryDriverHowto, then restart gdm
[09:07] <HappyFool> J0el: hmm
[09:07] <holo> crimsun: just stop X, don't kill it.. killing is bad attitude
[09:07] <HappyFool> J0el: looks ok, i think
[09:07] <delire> nalioth: ahah, shame. any day now. torvalds develops the linux kernel on a Mac ;)
[09:07] <hondje> hrm, I can't remove postfix?
[09:07] <TTilus> littleworm: was "it" a distro package or what?
[09:07] <nate__> is there a gnome menu editor?  and if so, what is it and where can i find it?
[09:07] <Chetic> What kernel version do I have? :\
[09:07] <crimsun> holo: I didn't mention killing X Window System
[09:07] <J0el> HappyFool, yea it should be.
[09:07] <nate__> Chetic, uname -a
[09:08] <nate__> Chetic, somewhere in there
[09:08] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: sorry but I don't think anyone is going to agree that there be a "drop to console" button in the X login screen.
[09:08] <HappyFool> J0el: have you  tried installing the packages via apt-get instead of synaptic?
[09:08] <TTilus> littleworm: like was "it" part of ubuntu distribution?
[09:08] <Chetic> ok thanks nate__
[09:08] <TTilus> littleworm: and what "it" is?
[09:08] <littleworm> the ati driver, rglx or something
[09:08] <delire> fglrx
[09:08] <littleworm> yes
[09:08] <J0el> HappyFool, im not sure , is the naming of the packages the same?
[09:08] <lsuactiafner> you know what, i'm giving user feedback and its damn good feedback, dont bash me for telling you the distrobution aint perfect
[09:08] <nalioth> delire: yes i'm sure come monday when the hippos take to the sky, and the whales become amphibous meat eaters, we'll have our APX drivers
[09:08] <TTilus> ati... dunno about that
[09:08] <HappyFool> J0el: or alternatively, starting synaptic from a terminal ?  (sudo synaptic) -- you might see an error message on exit
[09:08] <HappyFool> J0el: pretty much
[09:08] <dimeo> delire: I've also found that what I can do with one string of text, would have cost $75 worth of software, and required going to the store to buy or browsing the web to find a download.  Once I've learned the commandline in linux, I can copy it to a text file for future reference.   With a gui I have to remember when menu setting and so forth... Command line is just *different* than most windows users are used to using
[09:08] <lsuactiafner> becuase there aint a system thats perfect
[09:08] <delire> nalioth: hehe
[09:08] <stazz> Is there any way to change the order of soundcards ????
[09:08] <HappyFool> J0el: yes
[09:08] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: the Ubuntu way of enabling the Nvidia driver (since it's installed by default) does not require that you kill X manually. All you have to do is restart gdm as the final step (which yes, will restart X)
[09:09] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: IT IS PERFECT! INFIDEL!
[09:09] <HappyFool> J0el: sorry, for a moment wasn't sure about package naming in synaptic, but it's the same
[09:09] <nate__> is there a gnome menu editor?
[09:09] <nate__> i wanna edit my start menu
[09:09] <littleworm> TTilus: is there a way i can restore the last configuration that worked?
[09:09] <TTilus> littleworm: sounds pretty weird if your X starts but doesn't let you to log in
[09:09] <J0el> HappyFool,  I just tried apt-get 3ddesktop , i get ' E invalid operation
[09:10] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: now if you're accustomed to installing the Nvidia driver manually, yes, you'll have to go through that whole process of stopping gdm - but why would you? It's so much easier the Ubuntu way (wiki/BinaryDriverHowto).
[09:10] <delire> dimeo precisely! my gf has great difficulty with GUI's but really took to the commandline. her reason? "I like to talk to my computer."
[09:10] <HappyFool> J0el: apt-get install <packagename>
[09:10] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: hate to break it to you but linux is becoming more like windows. in some ways, at least.
[09:10] <TTilus> littleworm: no if you did not back up "last configuration"
[09:10] <J0el> HappyFool, oh sorry.
[09:10] <nate__> anyone?
[09:10] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : i know as much about linux as you do, i had trouble installing the driver and i had trouble with gdm, i dont think i'm the only slackware user that will have the same problem, therefore, as you would help a newb help a power user also, do things right from the ground up
[09:10] <linukso> nate__: take a look at ubuntuguide.org
[09:10] <HappyFool> nate__: someone here (Amaranth? similar nick) is writing a menu editor
[09:10] <Amaranth> HappyFool: hihihi
[09:11] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: err, you had trouble _installing_ the driver? They're installed _by default_.
[09:11] <nalioth> nate search uncle google for "smeg" or google ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ for menu editor
[09:11] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: do you know about "ps -H"?
[09:11] <Amaranth> linukso: the one on ubuntuguide.org is _old_
[09:11] <shinu> when i put a mv job in the background, when it finishes, what does the + or - after the job number means?
[09:11] <J0el> HappyFool, Yo dude it works throught the terminal :)
[09:11] <J0el> through*
[09:11] <HappyFool> Amaranth: you writing smeg ? or is it another A*
[09:11] <Amaranth> HappyFool: me
[09:11] <littleworm> TTilus: it's like that: i write my username and password, log in, there's that brown screen and then it turns black and returns to the user choosing menu
[09:11] <lsuactiafner> when something is done in the background that the user doesnt know about inform him in some way
[09:11] <shinu> [1] -  Done                    mv <== here for example
[09:11] <signius> solved it
[09:11] <Micksa> lsuactiafner: no? didn't think so. cos then you would have discovered gdm a lot more quickly.
[09:11] <linukso> Amaranth: ah, hm. sorry, didn't know that. thanks for correcting me
[09:11] <Micksa> and you keep calling youself a power user ;)
[09:11] <HappyFool> J0el: hmm, ok. Sorry don't know what the problem is, but i hope you can work with apt-get
[09:11] <HappyFool> Amaranth: nate__ wants the editor ;)
[09:11] <J0el> wonder whats the prob with synaptic though.
[09:11] <Amaranth> linukso: backports has the latest version
[09:11] <Chetic> How come apt-get never works for me? It never tries to download anything.. it seems to only look at local files
[09:11] <signius> somehow wireless card had screwed up DNS removed card and plugged back in resolved issue
[09:12] <Amaranth> linukso: so does breezy universe :D
[09:12] <TTilus> littleworm: you could try to restore /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or reconfigure X
[09:12] <HappyFool> Chetic: you need to make sure apt is configured to use internet repositories
[09:12] <lsuactiafner> Micksa : `ps aux | grep Micksa | grep -v grep | kill -9 | awk '{print $2}'` ;
[09:12] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: seriously, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386 is installed by default, and it includes nvidia.ko. The _only_ thing you had to do was enable the glx config, then restart gdm. There was absolutely no need to install the drivers manually.
[09:12] <linukso> Chetic: something must be wrong with your sources?
[09:12] <J0el> HappyFool, thx .. i should have used my brains better :|
[09:12] <nate__> Amaranth, why isn't smeg available in the repos?
[09:12] <HappyFool> J0el: well, synaptic should work ;)
[09:13] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : the default kernel didnt even boot my pc up
[09:13] <Micksa> not that I mean to be pedantic or anything :)
[09:13] <Micksa> it's past my bedtime
[09:13] <transgress> now isn't there a way to purge your system to get rid of old files left behind by stuff installed with apt-get?
[09:13] <Amaranth> nate__: It's in backports. It wasn't ready when hoary shipped.
[09:13] <Chetic> sorry HappyFool but, how do I do that?
[09:13] <Amaranth> nate__: hoary doesn't change, it's stable
[09:13] <HappyFool> Chetic: are you running hoary (aka Ubuntu 5.04) ?
[09:13] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: what sort of adjustments did you make for it to boot?
[09:13] <Chetic> yes HappyFool
[09:13] <transgress> nm i remembered it
[09:13] <dennis__> Whats a good ftp program for gnome?
[09:13] <littleworm> TTilus: i'll try it, thanks
[09:14] <nate__> Amaranth, i have backports in my repos, but i had to change it around when they pointed everyone to their mirrors
[09:14] <TTilus> littleworm: this would go to sleep now, hope you get it working
[09:14] <J0el> HappyFool, it works well with some packages , with some it dosent .
[09:14] <HappyFool> Chetic: easiest way is to use synaptic, Settings -> Repositories -> Add
[09:14] <Amaranth> nate__: ok...
[09:14] <nate__> Amaranth, But I still can't find smeg in them, what repo entries are in your sources.list?
[09:14] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : i sshed into a gentoo amd64 system and compiled my own kernel, then from slackware i installed lilo and the boot record
[09:14] <Micksa> I KNEW IT
[09:14] <J0el> I wonder , any Indians around here?
[09:14] <HappyFool> Chetic: synaptic is available via System -> Administration -> Synaptic (in gnome)
[09:14] <Chetic> HappyFool, I don't have X running.. it doesn't start, says no screens are available
[09:14] <Kyynara> I'm asking just out of curiosity, if it is possible to use i.e. Debians librarys in ubuntu?
[09:14] <Amaranth> nate__: i don't have backports in my sources.list, i'm on breezy
[09:14] <HappyFool> Chetic: ah
[09:14] <J0el> hello to all :)
[09:14] <nate__> Amaranth, ahhh, ok
[09:14] <lsuactiafner> the default ubuntu kernel didnt see my harddisks
[09:14] <dennis__> Does anyone know of a good ftp program for Gnome?
[09:14] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: yes, but what did you modify?
[09:14] <Amaranth> nate__: all i know is it's in there somewhere, try the mirrormax one
[09:14] <linukso> dennis__: gftp
[09:14] <hondje> dennis__: gftp
[09:14] <nalioth> Kyynara: better to build from source
[09:14] <delire> dennis__ gftp
[09:14] <Amaranth> nate__: it might be in staging, actually
[09:14] <stazz> Has anyone got an idea of how to change the order of sound cards?
[09:14] <delire> there you fo
[09:14] <dennis__> lol
[09:14] <dennis__> k
[09:15] <nate__> Amaranth, in staging?
[09:15] <HappyFool> Chetic: ok, in that case you need to edit a file called /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:15] <crimsun> stazz: cat /proc/asound/modules
[09:15] <delire> dennis__ possibly the best ftp client ever.
[09:15] <Kyynara> nalioth: I was just wondering...
[09:15] <stazz> crimsun: uhm, by modifying that?
[09:15] <rancorus> is it possible to play .rm files on linux ?
[09:15] <delire> anyway, time for other.
[09:15] <HappyFool> Chetic: you can use nano for that: 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list'
[09:15] <Chetic> HappyFool, what should I change?
[09:15] <Amaranth> nate__: yeah, it's a seperate repo for backports where things are tested before being dumped into the real backports
[09:15] <nate__> rancorus, there is realplayer for linux
[09:15] <crimsun> stazz: no, I'm walking you through the process, but you need to follow my directions.
[09:15] <Amaranth> nate__: read the FAQ
[09:15] <stazz> crimsun: yes, did, I can see my both modules and the current order
[09:15] <djp> anyone know how to get multisync working with a k700i mobile under ubuntu hoary? it keeps asking for a passcode, however if i enter the id which is in my pin file located @ /etc/bluetooth it just keeps telling me passcode mismatch! any ideas?
[09:15] <rancorus> nate: where do i get it ?
[09:15] <crimsun> stazz: and the output is?
[09:15] <nalioth> Kyynara: the plain debian.debs are a little differnt from the ubuntu debs
[09:16] <HappyFool> Chetic: you should see a line something like this: '#deb http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[09:16] <stazz> crimsun: 0 snd_intel8x0 \\ 1 snd_ens1371
[09:16] <Kyynara> so that's a simple no? :)
[09:16] <nalioth> Kyynara: can lead to pkg confusion and system breakage
[09:16] <nate__> Amaranth, ahhh, ok, on my last hoary install i had backports and found smeg, but since reinstall and changing of backports repo, i can't find it...at least I know its out there now, thanks :)
[09:16] <Kyynara> ok
[09:16] <HappyFool> Chetic: remove the '#' at the start of the line -- the # signifies a comment
[09:16] <crimsun> stazz: and you want the ens1371 as card0, correct?
[09:16] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : what you mean? i had to disable all the modules that loaded incorrectly and make a kernel that loaded the correct modules
[09:16] <stazz> crimsun: correct
[09:16] <Chetic> HappyFool, ah ok cool, thanks (brb)
[09:16] <HappyFool> Chetic: if you want, you can do the same for the 'universe' and 'multiverse' lines
[09:16] <crimsun> stazz: echo "options snd-intel8x0 index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[09:17] <HappyFool> Chetic: then run 'sudo apt-get update' and you should be on your way
[09:17] <nalioth> Kyynara: apt can build from source, tho
[09:17] <stazz> crimsun: done
[09:17] <lsuactiafner> and lilo didnt install from the cd either
[09:17] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: you're not being precise, which isn't going to help when you file bugs on bugzilla
[09:17] <lsuactiafner> and the md5sum of the lilo package was correct
[09:17] <Kyynara> so if I download the source of the lib I can build them to suite ubuntu?
[09:17] <nalioth> Kyynara: may i /msg you?
[09:17] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : i filed a precise bug concerning the lilo package that didnt install
[09:18] <crimsun> stazz: now you can either unload and reload the alsa modules manually, or you can reboot, whichever's easier
[09:18] <lsuactiafner> but i didnt look @ the ubuntu kernel
[09:18] <Kyynara> nalioth: sure
[09:18] <stazz> crimsun: ok
[09:18] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: I thought the problem was mainly with linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[09:18] <lsuactiafner> well the kernel was also to blame, since it didnt boot once i fixed lilo, but i didnt investigate what was wrong with it
[09:19] <stazz> crimsun: great. that worked. lots of thankyous
[09:19] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: but you mentioned the "wrong modules" being loaded, which points to an initrd and/or linux issue, and that's most definitely in linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[09:19] <crimsun> stazz: np
[09:19] <lsuactiafner> when initrd started it started to panic
[09:20] <lsuactiafner> i think the wrong module was loaded for my disks
[09:20] <signius> when you have regsitered your username on irc how can you change the password ?
[09:20] <lsuactiafner> but like i said i didnt investigate
[09:20] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: then please file a bug on linux, too
[09:20] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : i'll check if the problem is in breezy, but i doubt it, my hardware was very very new @ the time
[09:20] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: it would be greatly appreciated if you did investigate. It helps the developers, which will help you.
[09:21] <HappyFool> signius: /msg nickserv help
[09:21] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: excellent, thank you.
[09:21] <rute> hey
[09:21] <lsuactiafner> but i did complain about lilo not installing, when the developers test the install cd make em test lilo and grub
[09:22] <lsuactiafner> i think grub worked but the kernel didnt..
[09:22] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: 'make em'? how much are you paying to make them do this?
[09:22] <psychonate> What other bittorrent clients exist for *nix besides the official client, bittornado, and azureus?
[09:22] <lsuactiafner> Amaranth : i'm going to make the next zealot run windows.
[09:23] <Amaranth> psychonate: gnome-btdownload
[09:23] <signius> ok cool done :-)
[09:23] <signius> thanks
[09:23] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: Are you trying to be threatening?
[09:23] <nalioth> psychonate: go and search sourceforge.net for the answer to that...(short answer: lots)
[09:23] <rute> I have added universe and multiverse for the stable version 5.04 : are there any other groups I can enable? I don't have packages for ALOT of stuff as is.
[09:23] <nalioth> Amaranth: gnome-btdownload sucks imho
[09:23] <HappyFool> rute: don't forget main and restricted ;)
[09:23] <psychonate> nalioth, I was looking for some that others have tired before though and can testify to.
[09:23] <hondje> rute: restricted
[09:23] <mayco> is the xorg transition complete already?
[09:23] <lsuactiafner> Amaranth : bash me as you please for giving critic, in the end ubuntu will benifit from it
[09:23] <psychonate> nalioth, just like you testified to gnome-btdownload sucking ;)
[09:23] <rute> thanks HappyFool , hondje
[09:23] <nalioth> psychonate: well i just ventured my opinion to Amaranth
[09:23] <mayco> i'm running breezy except for the xorg-packages
[09:23] <crimsun> rute: universe and multiverse should give you nearly 16000 additional packages.
[09:23] <hondje> That's rather arrogant
[09:24] <psychonate> nalioth, lol indeed
[09:24] <lsuactiafner> but if the zealots keep bashing ppl with good suggestions then ubuntu wont progress much now would it?
[09:24] <hondje> usually my dislikes don't positively affect a project
[09:24] <Amaranth> nalioth: i agree, bittorrent 4 is much better
[09:24] <rute> crimsun, I still don't have jedit :)
[09:24] <rute> jedit!
[09:24] <rute> should be in the stable
[09:24] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: I'm not bashing you, I'm saying you can't 'make' the devs to anything.
[09:24] <rnasklaved> what is the command for converting .bin to iso with bchunk?
[09:25] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: And don't call me a zealot, I've got windows running right now.
[09:25] <crimsun> rnasklaved: it specifies the usage in the man page
[09:25] <J0el> which folder do i put the packages in the cd.. which i wud like to install along with the other packages?
[09:25] <lsuactiafner> Amaranth : if you werent a zealot you wouldve understood it was a figure of speech
[09:25] <vanesa-depok> haloo all
[09:25] <vanesa-depok> need help
[09:25] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: File a bug report.
[09:25] <vanesa-depok> i cannot using my root passwd
[09:25] <lsuactiafner> bleh read faster, i did
[09:25] <psychonate> vanesa-depok, use sudo instead.
[09:25] <nalioth> psychonate: Amaranth i use screen + btdownloadcurses.py anyway (i don't care for guis much)
[09:25] <Amaranth> vanesa-depok: there is no root password
[09:25] <mayco> can i update my xorg packages to breezy without going trough a symlink hell?
[09:25] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: he's simply (understandably) a bit protective of the distro in which he has invested a significant amount of time.
[09:25] <Amaranth> !root
[09:26] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, Amaranth
[09:26] <vanesa-depok> i try to configure in gnome ..
[09:26] <lsuactiafner> lol
[09:26] <nate__> Amaranth, smeg is in hoary-backports-staging/multiverse
[09:26] <vanesa-depok> it come password menu
[09:26] <vanesa-depok> but i dont know the pass
[09:26] <Amaranth> ubotu: root is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:26] <ubotu> Amaranth: okay
[09:26] <HappyFool> J0el: i don't understand your question
[09:26] <Amaranth> vanesa-depok: go to that link
[09:26] <psychonate> nalioth, I have used it before, but I like to be able to change UL/DL rates on the fly.
[09:26] <Amaranth> nate__: multiverse?!?!?
[09:26] <psychonate> nalioth, other than that, it was fine.
[09:27] <refuze2looze> anybody knows how i can simulate a windows reboot in cedega?
[09:27] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : i study Bcom IT, informatics and accounting, i know when things aint when they are supposed to be, i'm giving suggestions for ubuntu, doesnt mean i'm correct and that it should be implemented.
[09:27] <crimsun> rute: did you request that the package be added to universe/multiverse for Breezy? Better yet, did you sign up to get the package into shape as a MOTU?
[09:27] <Trab> hello all, i was wondering if anyone could help me find that page about howto help ubutnu programmers? i seem to have misplaced the link?
[09:27] <nate__> Amaranth, yep
[09:27] <mayco> hmm, still no answer, ow yeah, i forgot to beg for an answer: can somebody pleeaasssee answer my question? :) (i hope it works this time)
[09:27] <vanesa-depok> ok
[09:27] <lsuactiafner> but it should be considered
[09:27] <Trab> refuze2looze u dont need to reboot i dont think
[09:27] <nate__> Amaranth, ooop, uni, haha
[09:27] <Amaranth> nate__: Ok, good.
[09:27] <lsuactiafner> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources
[09:27] <Trab> thanks
[09:27] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: I don't remember saying your suggestions are worthless and will not be considered.
[09:27] <refuze2looze> Trab: seems like i do.. i'll try using crossover
[09:27] <Amaranth> nate__: I was going to make them pull it out of backports if it was in multiverse, that's insulting.
[09:28] <mayco> bah
[09:28] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : just responding to what you said about investing a significant ammount of time
[09:28] <nalioth> refuze2looze: rebooting linux is only necessary when upgrading a kernel
[09:28] <nate__> Amaranth, I don't even know the difference, whats the dif between uni and multi?
[09:28] <J0el> HappyFool , if i want to include some packages that i have downloaded atm onto a cd which folder should i put them in so that get installed with the default packages
[09:28] <Trab> mayco, why does it seem like it? did it say u need to reboot before u can use the program or w/e?
[09:28] <refuze2looze> nalioth: who said anything about rebooting linux
[09:28] <Amaranth> nate__: multiverse is non-Free things that the MOTU take care of
[09:28] <lsuactiafner> Trab : #ubuntu-devel
[09:28] <J0el> HappyFool, do u get me now?
[09:28] <kbrooks> lol
[09:28] <HappyFool> J0el: i don't think it'll be that easy
[09:28] <nate__> Amaranth, MOTU?
[09:29] <nalioth> refuze2looze: i'm hallucinating, forgive me
[09:29] <rute> crimsun, I get yah. I'm not whining about it. just amazes me that it isn't there
[09:29] <refuze2looze> nalioth: hehe
[09:29] <Amaranth> nate__: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[09:29] <J0el> HappyFool, I want to burn a ubuntu cd with the new packages i have
[09:29] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: it would be helpful if you provided a path toward a solution or at least engaged that process
[09:29] <HappyFool> J0el: i do not know how to customize the ubuntu install
[09:29] <Marble2> how can I get stats on what video card I'm using?
[09:29] <pepsi> how can i convert an .mp3 to a .wav?
[09:30] <Marble2> i forgot how much ram my card has... how pathetic is that?
[09:30] <Trab> pepsi why would u want to do that?
[09:30] <crimsun> rute: well, you have the power to make it happen for Breezy. :)
[09:30] <Amaranth> Marble2: Why would you want to do that?
[09:30] <J0el> HappyFool, oh ok , i just read soomewhere u could do that.
[09:30] <HappyFool> J0el: maybe you can. sorry, i don't know how ;)
[09:30] <pepsi> Trab, so i can do stuff with the sound file in windows's silly sndrec32.exe app.. speed it up in particular
[09:30] <hondje> Marble2: lspci -vvv
[09:30] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : i did.. the mplayer binary for AMD64 didnt run wmv.. i made a static 32bit binary in a chroot that did..
[09:30] <hondje> Marble2: shows how much I have
[09:30] <crimsun> rute: unlike other distros, you can make a lasting, positive change to the distribution that all its users will reap.
[09:31] <lsuactiafner> and i posted the process and solution to marlowe ect
[09:31] <Trab> ah
[09:31] <Trab> well
[09:31] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: using w32codecs is illegal though, so a 32-bit mplayer is pretty much useless
[09:31] <rute> crimsun, I will put it a request :) I learned something from studying portage packages with gentoo though. It's useless to learn something like that unless you are going to do nothing but build packages.
[09:31] <hondje> Amaranth: It's illegal? Really?
[09:31] <Trab> where did u get the mp3 pepsi ?
[09:31] <J0el> HappyFool, like u put em in a folder where all the default packages are ..n they get installed .. i dunno how but i think its possible
[09:31] <HappyFool> pepsi: i would try mpg321
[09:31] <Marble2> hondje:  Region 0: Memory at d0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M] 
[09:31] <linukso> pepsi: try lame
[09:31] <Marble2> is that the line I want?
[09:31] <lsuactiafner> my country's vice president steals millions, they dont care if MS is unhappy..
[09:31] <Amaranth> hondje: Did you get permission from microsoft or apple or real or any of those others to use those codecs on linux?
[09:31] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: hmm, I think an even more useful approach would be to work with the gstreamer-ffmpeg guys so that wmv support is done properly on 64-bit arches.
[09:32] <hondje> Amaranth: I guess I shouldn't assume if it's apt-able, it's legit
[09:32] <lsuactiafner> suppose, tho i made a work around that fixed my problem immediatly
[09:32] <lsuactiafner> they should be aware of the problem
[09:32] <Amaranth> hondje: nope, lots of illegal things are apt-getable
[09:32] <floater_> Have anyone made awe64 or awe32 sound card to work ?
[09:32] <lsuactiafner> everyone is porting
[09:32] <lsuactiafner> or should be
[09:32] <hondje> Amaranth: Now I feel like a newbie :)
[09:32] <Amaranth> hondje: like everything in marillat
[09:33] <Proteque> now on my second try of installing ubuntu it stpes at "setting up primary installation repository"... it get ip from dhcpd and everything. has access to the net. what can make this error?
[09:33] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: sure, that's convenient, but "convenient" doesn't make "best".
[09:33] <lsuactiafner> where is marillat based
[09:33] <hondje> Illegal as in criminal, or illegal as in 'decss violates dmca' illegal?
[09:33] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: France
[09:33] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : that attitude right there, is linux (;
[09:33] <nalioth> hondje: illegal as in violating the EULA
[09:33] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: wmv requires w32codecs, unless you're seeing something i'm not
[09:33] <lsuactiafner> "convenient" doesn't make "best".. that was my point earlier about windowization
[09:33] <djp> anyone know how to get multisync working with a k700i mobile under ubuntu hoary? it keeps asking for a passcode, however if i enter the id which is in my pin file located @ /etc/bluetooth it just keeps telling me passcode mismatch! any ideas?
[09:34] <rute> anyone know of something that offers a vim(gvim, kvim or whatever) editor with a console window that will follow the cwd of the vim editor?
[09:34] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: it's not ffmpeg's fault microsoft hasn't made 64-bit codecs
[09:34] <hondje> Oh, I don't mind violating eulas :)
[09:34] <digby> the court's haven't found that EULAs are binding, though, so legalitiy is still questionable
[09:34] <J0el> would NFS6 the game run through wine?
[09:34] <signius> Proteque: have you tried changing the repositry it is trying to connect to ?
[09:34] <lsuactiafner> Amaranth : mplayer-amd64 doesnt successfully use the 32bit w32codecs
[09:34] <Proteque> signius: I dont get the question.
[09:34] <Amaranth> hondje: does copyright infringement bother you?
[09:34] <J0el> or whats the other emulators i could use?
[09:34] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: exactly, w32codecs are 32-bit windows dll files
[09:34] <lsuactiafner> therefore, a mplayer32 static binary should be created in the mean time
[09:34] <hondje> Amaranth: generally
[09:35] <Proteque> signius: it never times out either.
[09:35] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: tell microsoft to give you some 64-bit codecs so you can use them illegally too
[09:35] <hondje> But I don't think using something in an unintended way is wrong
[09:35] <signius> Proteque: Its failing when it tries to connect to a repositry on the internet correct ?
[09:35] <hondje> and I have the OEM cd of windows that came with this, so I must have those codecs
[09:35] <Amaranth> hondje: using those codecs without having a copy of windows around you aren't using is copyright infringement
[09:35] <hondje> ah, then I'm good, since I don't use it! :D
[09:35] <Proteque> signius: it doesnt say what fails. it just stops there. no errormsges at all.
[09:35] <psychonate> hmmm
[09:36] <psychonate> I am surprised there is no xmms-musepack package
[09:36] <lsuactiafner> Amaranth : i got more than a terrebyte of software and entertainment i shouldnt have.. i'm not the one to care
[09:36] <crimsun> floater_: sure. What are your issues?
[09:36] <signius> what sort of internet connection do you have ?
[09:36] <crimsun> psychonate: I made some
[09:36] <psychonate> oh?
[09:36] <lsuactiafner> and anyway, i own a copy of windows 3.1
[09:36] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: Don't talk about that here again.
[09:36] <hondje> Now that I think about it, I think proprietary formats are pretty not-good
[09:36] <psychonate> Where can I find these?
[09:36] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: win 3.1 had wmv3? wow
[09:36] <kbrooks> about what, Amaranth
[09:36] <lsuactiafner> Amaranth : where do you live?
[09:36] <Proteque> signius: adsl. but get ip etc from a normal dhcpd.
[09:36] <crimsun> psychonate: in Breezy after the transition completes
[09:37] <Amaranth> kbrooks: his huge cache of illegal movies, music, and software
[09:37] <psychonate> ah
[09:37] <signius> ok
[09:37] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: sioux city, iowa, usa
[09:37] <nalioth> Amaranth: super top secret project, right?
[09:37] <hondje> lol
[09:37] <psychonate> crimsun, I will try to compile it for now then, but thanks for the info
[09:37] <psychonate> crimsun, is there an estimate on breezy?
[09:37] <psychonate> (time)
[09:37] <signius> I am new to ubuntu but i am sure there is an option to change where ubuntu connects to a repositry in the install
[09:37] <crimsun> psychonate: breezy releases in October
[09:37] <signius> someone in here is bound to know
[09:37] <psychonate> sounds good
[09:37] <lsuactiafner> Amaranth : i live in south-africa.. go tell my predident to fire his currupt vice-president... when he does that i will consider deleting a movie i already paid once to see
[09:37] <Amaranth> nalioth: microsoft has been promising WinFS since around win 3.1, so it's possible :D
[09:37] <kbrooks> signius: there is
[09:37] <HappyFool> i didn't think you *needed* to connect to a repository during install
[09:38] <crimsun> HappyFool: you don't
[09:38] <signius> kbrooks: Proteque needs to know
[09:38] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: you paid to see it _once_
[09:38] <nalioth> Amaranth: they've also been practicing "world domination"
[09:38] <hondje> all this copyright law / morality is confusing :(
[09:38] <Amaranth> nalioth: haven't quite nailed that one
[09:38] <Proteque> well it stops there... it doesnt say that it cant connect. just stops and stays for hours.
[09:38] <psychonate> crimsun, do you happen to know also about a FLAC plugin for beep-media-player in Breezy?
[09:38] <hondje> I grok downloading movies/music == bad, but what if you own it? Or what if you WILL buy it, but it's not at stores yet?
[09:38] <dag_> how does foresight linux compare to ubuntu?
[09:38] <signius> kbrooks: did you see the problem about it failing to connect to repositry
[09:38] <lsuactiafner> Amaranth : once.. maybe i didnt see every frame..
[09:38] <signius> oh
[09:38] <holo> ham, is it a common problem not to be able to see movies in totem? in debian i never had this problem
[09:38] <lsuactiafner> and i need to see it again.. to see all the frames..
[09:39] <peter_> Good evening everyone, I was wondering if anyone knew what has happened to the unofficial add-on cd for ubuntu
[09:39] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: Whatever man, just stop talking about it here.
[09:39] <LinuxJones> dag_, I haven't heard of foresight Linux.
[09:39] <psychonate> crimsun, ATM, there is none included in Hoary, and the source will not compile.
[09:39] <lsuactiafner> Amaranth : stop bashing me if you dont want me to confuse you
[09:39] <hondje> Is ripping a dvd illegal?
[09:39] <dag_> http://www.foresightlinux.com/ - it seems very updated
[09:39] <kbrooks> hondje: no
[09:39] <tsw> hondje: no
[09:39] <Amaranth> hondje: in the US and parts of the EU, yes
[09:39] <Fator_Dee> hondje: depends where you live?
[09:39] <hondje> US
[09:39] <psychonate> crimsun, supposedly some XMMS plugins can be used with beep-media-player, but the FLAC plugin is apparently not one of these.
[09:39] <holo> just tell me.. the damm codecs aren't in the official repository?
[09:40] <nalioth> psychonate: apt-get source -b <pkgname> won't build it?
[09:40] <lsuactiafner> hondje : i prefer to use a knife when i rip dvds.. the plastic is quite strong to just rip
[09:40] <tvelocity> hondje, in the US yes, because of the DMCA, but mostly no...
[09:40] <kbrooks> Amaranth: personnal use?
[09:40] <Amaranth> Guys, let's stop the illegal talk.
[09:40] <holo> what is a purpose of a movie player without codecs? at least in a desktop distro
[09:40] <Amaranth> kbrooks: DMCA trumps personal use.
[09:40] <tsw> CSS decrypt is illegal
[09:40] <hondje> lsuactiafner: It's those damn stickers on the sides that are the worst :(
[09:40] <kbrooks> Amaranth: so its illegal
[09:40] <tsw> or what ever it was
[09:40] <lsuactiafner> hondje : know what you mean.. but i got a nifty solution
[09:40] <kbrooks> Amaranth: ok
[09:40] <tsw> there are dvd:s that arent crypted
[09:41] <hondje> oh yeah, I remember now...dmca, circumvention, etc....weird stuff
[09:41] <peter_> ok sorry to bother you all.
[09:41] <lsuactiafner> put the dvd over steam and steam it off
[09:41] <tsw> so it depends on the content
[09:41] <lsuactiafner> but like very very hot steam
[09:41] <crimsun> psychonate: there's headway on that, too
[09:41] <hondje> laws should reflect morality in hondjeland
[09:41] <Proteque> so there is no way to get around this so I can get it installed?
[09:41] <psychonate> nalioth, what I mean is THERE is no package, binary or source, for a FLAC plugin for beep-media-player in Ubuntu, and the XMMS plugin will not work with beep-media-player. The source code for the plugin from beep-media-player's site will not compile.
[09:41] <lsuactiafner> compressed works nicely
[09:41] <holo> everyone here with happy totems?
[09:41] <HappyFool> peter_: it's not on ubuntuguide.org anymore ?
[09:41] <Amaranth> hondje: Whose morality?
[09:41] <peter_> Nope, it's not. Odd??
[09:41] <signius> why wont it compile what errors are you getting ?
[09:41] <nalioth> psychonate: pm me the URL, please to the src
[09:41] <pepsi> Proteque, disconnect yourself from the network while you install
[09:41] <psychonate> nalioth, there is one binary package I found for the plugin, but it will not work either, so I am forced to use XMMS for the time being.
[09:42] <hondje> Amaranth: In hondjeland, mine....irl, hard to say
[09:42] <lsuactiafner> Amaranth : every seen KoRn - Yall Want A Single.mpg?
[09:42] <psychonate> nalioth, feeling courageous are you ;) ?
[09:42] <Proteque> pepsi: yeah I could ry that.
[09:42] <crimsun> psychonate: there is already a functional flac plugin, but it isn't complete, so I'm not going to submit it
[09:42] <HappyFool> peter_: maybe bandwidth costs *shrug* dunno, sorry
[09:42] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: In 5 minutes I'll remove it. You were warned.
[09:42] <LinuxJones> lol
[09:43] <psychonate> crimsun, neato
[09:43] <dimeo> why do always have to type killall esd after booting to get xmms to play music?
[09:43] <peter_> Cheers, happyfool.
[09:43] <dimeo> Any way to fix this?
[09:43] <psychonate> nalioth, I will send you the plugin list because you might want to read the comment on the right side: http://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/Plugin_list
[09:43] <crimsun> floater_: is it a true sbawe64?
[09:43] <floater_> crimsun: I sent you a private message about the issue :j
[09:43] <stazz> dimeo: you need an esound output-plugin for xmms, esd is blocking the soundcard
[09:44] <psychonate> nalioth, ten down, fairly easy to spot
[09:44] <floater_> hmm, I think it is. it's on old p2 400mhz
[09:44] <kbrooks> ummmm.
[09:44] <cusco> I can't use apt-get at all....
[09:44] <cusco> E: The package armagetronad needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[09:44] <cusco> E: Internal error opening cache (1). Please report.
[09:44] <crimsun> floater_: I don't like privmsgs, because I have to flip through too many buffers
[09:44] <floater_> on windows it said awe 64 on pci to isa bridge (isa mode)
[09:44] <psychonate> nalioth, they recommend using the binary build or the xmms plugin, but neither of these work for me, and I was not able to compile the plugin myself.
[09:44] <floater_> ok
[09:45] <kbrooks> cusco: sounds like you have to ......
[09:45] <dimeo> stazz: ok I tried switching the output to esound when I boot that might solve it thx
[09:45] <crimsun> floater_: so you're certain it's sbawe64?
[09:45] <nalioth> psychonate: always up for a challenge, but it will do YOU no good, as im' on PPC
[09:45] <stazz> dimeo: you don't need to boot for that :S
[09:45] <kbrooks> cusco: er, apt-get remove armagetronad
[09:45] <floater_> no
[09:45] <guupsta> hum ubuntu's running pretty smooth on 350MHz P2 with 128MB of RAM, not as I expected :)
[09:46] <psychonate> nalioth, lol possibly not, but you can at least tell me if you had to do anything tricky or install something atypic
[09:46] <kbrooks> cusco: what does it show?
[09:46] <kbrooks> paste in a pm
[09:46] <psychonate> s/atypic/atypical
[09:46] <hondje> guupsta: with gnome?
[09:46] <Kirilis> Hi friends!
[09:46] <guupsta> hondje: yep.
[09:46] <nalioth> psychonate: good thing i can read japanese, eh? NOT
[09:46] <Kirilis> how to make bootloader floppy on Ubuntu ?
[09:46] <hondje> guupsta: nice :)
[09:46] <floater_> crimsun: what other version it could be than sb awe64 and how can I check it, if it's essential?
[09:47] <psychonate> nalioth, rofl, I forgot about that. You can find the link on there though
[09:47] <psychonate> not too hard
[09:47] <psychonate> look in the small english part
[09:47] <nalioth> psychonate: i was pullin yer leg, i am quite multilingual
[09:48] <psychonate> ah, impressive
[09:48] <guupsta> hondju,installed it for my parents as they got themselves a computer mainly for a  net-browsing. winxp gave me a fatal error on install, but ubuntu installed just smooothly :)
[09:48] <psychonate> I can speak English, and uh, more English on occasion
[09:48] <psychonate> I can fingerspell too lol
[09:48] <Kirilis> how to make bootloader floppy on Ubuntu ?
[09:48] <kbrooks> psychonate: heh, me too
[09:48] <nalioth> as i mentioned a while earlier, i speak googlese even
[09:49] <guupsta> erm.. *hondje
[09:49] <crimsun> floater_: cat /proc/asound/modules
[09:49] <HappyFool> Kirilis: if google can't tell you, i think there's a bootdisk howto on tldp.org. it's non-trivial, however
[09:49] <hondje> guupsta: Hope it works out for them :D
[09:49] <psychonate> nalioth, well, that is probably the most useful of any language
[09:49] <kbrooks> Kirilis: dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 count=1
[09:49] <psychonate> googlese > *
[09:49] <kbrooks> HappyFool: ^^^^^^^
[09:50] <crimsun> floater_: sorry, I have to leave in 5 minutes, but try the snd-sbawe module
[09:50] <cusco> kbrooks: doesn't work
[09:51] <crimsun> floater_: remember to disable PnP in your computer's bios
[09:51] <guupsta> hondje, it's same for them what OS they got, as problems occur they'll call me :)
[09:51] <kbrooks> cusco: man dd
[09:51] <hondje> guupsta: True, and ssh can save work :)
[09:51] <floater_> ok crimsun
[09:51] <cusco> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:51] <crimsun> floater_: then you can sudo modprobe snd-sbawe isapnp=0
[09:51] <cusco> E: The package armagetronad needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[09:51] <kbrooks> cusco: read the manpage before wronging me
[09:51] <guupsta> hondje, yep :)
[09:51] <kbrooks> cusco: oh, misunderstood
[09:51] <floater_> it says no such file or dir when I do cat /proc/asound/modules
[09:51] <kbrooks> cusco: sorry.
[09:52] <kbrooks> cusco: uh, no idea.
[09:52] <cusco> I can't use apt-get for anything
[09:52] <cusco> I always get that line
[09:52] <kbrooks> cusco: put that into google
[09:53] <cusco> ok
[09:53] <kbrooks> cusco: you dont want the specific stuff
[09:53] <floater_> crimsun it says no such file or dir on the cat /proc/asound/modules . Shall I try that pnp off and then snd-sbawe isapnp=0 ?
[09:53] <kbrooks> erase the package
[09:53] <crimsun> floater_: yep.
[09:53] <crimsun> gotta go.
[09:53] <floater_> ok thanks and bye
[09:53] <cusco> kbrooks: but the problem is that the .deb is not found
[09:54] <cusco> .
[09:54] <cusco> This means the package 'checker' is in a state that is defined to require
[09:54] <cusco> dpkg --unpack on the original .deb to get out of. APT is telling you that
[09:54] <cusco> it cannot find that .deb to unpack so checker can be fixed.
[09:54] <cusco> .
[09:54] <cusco> I found that on google
[09:54] <kbrooks> hmm
[09:54] <cusco> instead of armagetronad was checker
[09:54] <cusco> "You will have to do some manual things with dpkg to fix the checker
[09:54] <cusco> package, probably removing it with a forcing option.
[09:54] <kbrooks> cusco: ^^^^^
[09:54] <cusco> "
[09:55] <kbrooks> remove and reinstall it
[09:55] <Chetic> I can't start X and it's really depressing :\
[09:55] <cusco> how do I remove it?
[09:55] <kbrooks> ummm.
[09:55] <wawa> When I watch video in fullscreen mode the picture is blurred but its fine when in normal mode...am I missing some settings?
[09:56] <psychonate> nalioth, tell me how goes it then
[09:56] <kbrooks> cusco: apt-get remove --purge checkero?
[09:56] <kbrooks> s/o//
[09:56] <apollo2011> I have KDE and Gnome installed on Ubuntu (ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop packages).  I am used to using KDE but wanted to try out Gnome.  However, now that I hae Gnome, its login manager is set as the default and I would prefer to use the KDE login manager.  How do I switch back to the KDE login manager?
[09:57] <Jormundgand> apollo: Didn't you get a choice when you installed GNOME?
[09:57] <cusco> kbrooks: in this case is armagetronad
[09:57] <LinuxJones> apollo2011, dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[09:57] <cusco> I tried that, doesn't work
[09:58] <lsuactiafner> hmm
[09:58] <HappyFool> cusco: read 'man apt-get'
[09:58] <Chetic> X says "no matching device section for instance (BusID PCI:5:0:0) found" - What can I do?
[09:58] <lsuactiafner> ok cool i can speak again
[09:58] <HappyFool> cusco: i see two options which may be of use: -f and -m. However, they do look a little risky
[09:59] <apollo2011> LinuxJones: I think that did it...ill go look...bbl
[09:59] <lsuactiafner> change the 5 into a 1 and see what happens
[09:59] <Chetic> It's a PCI-E card btw..
[10:00] <Vjaz> Anyone know what happened to the X40 compatibility packages by Daniel Stone?
[10:00] <Chetic> lsuactiafner, I think that fixed that problem, but I still have more
[10:00] <lsuactiafner> Chetic : lspci
[10:00] <Chetic> I also get "(EE) No devices detected."
[10:00] <lsuactiafner> run xorgconf
[10:01] <lsuactiafner> run xorgconfing
[10:01] <lsuactiafner> bleh
[10:01] <lsuactiafner> xorgconfig
[10:01] <Chislon> so is it smart to do a 4 gig partition for windows xp, and a 4gig for linux, and 1 gig for swap for linux, adn the rest one partition that is fat32? does that decrease the time of either os? and is that a good way to make it really simple to dual boot and us both os's?
[10:01] <Proteque> hmm the installation stopes at the same place even without the network up :(
[10:01] <IIIEars> Chetic - You were here last night?
[10:02] <HappyFool> Chislon: how big's your hard drive?
[10:02] <Chetic> lsuactiafner thanks
[10:02] <Chislon> i have about 14 gigs used currently, with only windows xp home, and i have 40 gigs free
[10:02] <Chetic> IIIEars - yes but now I have ubuntu installed :)
[10:02] <IIIEars> Chetic - EE? - is the card seated are there any aux power cables to check?
[10:02] <holo> anyone can : apt-cache policy gstreamer0.8-plugins ?
[10:03] <LinuxJones> Chislon, 4 gigs is kind of small for Linux
[10:03] <holo> and output it to me?
[10:03] <HappyFool> Chislon: i guess it'll work. i'd probably have bigger linux / win xp partitions and a smallish fat32 partition for transferring data
[10:03] <Chislon> LinuxJones, so your telling me that all that talk about linux being smaller then windwos isnt true? and that it in fact takes more room to install linux os rather htan windows xp?
[10:03] <nalioth> psychonate: check your PMs
[10:03] <IIIEars> Chetic - Thats cool (6th week) with ubuntu. - Welcome dude! :)
[10:03] <Chislon> HappyFool, oh so youd just do a small transfering one?
[10:03] <HappyFool> Chislon: yeah
[10:03] <Chislon> HappyFool, instead of just storing all the files in one spot
[10:04] <cusco> HappyFool: nor -m nor -f works
[10:04] <HappyFool> Chislon: bear in mind that linux can *read* ntfs with no problem
[10:04] <cusco> the same error..
[10:04] <Chetic> IIIEars - thanks.. and what's an aux power cable?
[10:04] <Chislon> HappyFool, what are hte benefits of that over just the OS's in a partition
[10:04] <Chislon> HappyFool, oh i see.., but still what is the pros or cons between putting just the os's on their own partition and all the files on one?
[10:04] <HappyFool> Chislon: so you could, e.g., store all your mp3's on ntfs, as long as you don't need to write any there from linux
[10:04] <Chislon> LinuxJones, sorry for being a jerk to you
[10:04] <LinuxJones> Chislon, it depends on what you want on your system. Damd Small Linux .iso is about 60 megs Ubuntu takes alot of space.
[10:04] <IIIEars> Chetic - does your card need an extra power cable for it
[10:04] <Seveas> LinuxJones, but you forget that that includes OO.o and firefox etc....
[10:05] <Chislon> HappyFool, ok... i dunno, like if all goes as i think it will ill basically just be using windows for games
[10:05] <HappyFool> Chislon: well, fat32 doesn't (as far as i know) support linux permissions
[10:05] <Furushil> hallo
[10:05] <Seveas> windows + ms office takes a *lot* more than ubuntu
[10:05] <Chetic> IIIEars - nope.. why?
[10:05] <dReadMoRe> its possible to put xchat iconified like gaim?
[10:05] <Chislon> HappyFool, i dont know what that means
[10:05] <LinuxJones> Chislon, by default Ubuntu comes with full Office Suite and tons of other goodies that don't come with windows
[10:05] <Seveas> HappyFool, neither does ntfs :)
[10:05] <HappyFool> Chislon: also bear in mind that fat32 is not as reliable (as far as i know, again ;) as ntfs / ext3
[10:05] <FR500> Chetic, but oofice is very slow, even compared to office xp
[10:05] <HappyFool> Seveas: yeah, but he wants fat32 as a 'shared' partition. i was thinking maybe he wanted /home there
[10:05] <Chislon> HappyFool, LinuxJones , ok... well so how much sharing space should i do then?
[10:05] <FR500> so you give something yo get something
[10:05] <Seveas> FR500, try abiword and gnumeric :)
[10:06] <FR500> sometime maybe
[10:06] <Seveas> FR500, they blow OO.o away speedwise
[10:06] <LinuxJones> Chislon, how much ram do you have ?
[10:06] <Chislon> HappyFool, LinuxJones , is 1 gig good for swap partititon? how much space for boot partition thing? i have 736 ram
[10:06] <HappyFool> Chislon: i dunno. a few gig. what sort of data do you plan to share between the os's?
[10:06] <Chetic> IIIEars - I ran xorgconfig but it gives me the same error.. "(EE) No devices detected."
[10:06] <FR500> lately my ubuntu starts reading from hd like a maniac, it appears to be frozen
[10:06] <Chislon> HappyFool, i have no idea...
[10:06] <FR500> dunno why
[10:06] <IIIEars> okay. - it's painful to get linux setup but, once you do it "Mondo" backup util will burn an image of your install. - if you ever need to reinstall just pop in the disk you made.
[10:07] <Chislon> HappyFool, im just trying to dual boot because im not ready to give up windows, and want it for games... but it sounds like i should if possible, adn that it should be possible, to do everything else on linux
[10:07] <dReadMoRe> its possible to put xchat iconified like gaim?
[10:07] <Chislon> HappyFool, but if i get StudioMX then i might want to transfer that kind of stuff between os's.. not really sure
[10:07] <FR500> Chislon, the only thing i can't play here yet is Gunbound Gis
[10:07] <HappyFool> Chislon: well, what you *can* do is have several large partitions, giving you flexibility in the future
[10:07] <LinuxJones> Chislon, well I would make the swap 500 megs and / 5 gigs and a healthy amount for your /home partition.
[10:07] <Chislon> FR500, what is that?
[10:08] <FR500> see
[10:08] <FR500> i play Wow and Counter Strike here no problems
[10:08] <Chislon> FR500, thats kool
[10:08] <Chislon> LinuxJones, sorry for being a jerk earlier
[10:08] <FR500> There are replacemets for Macromedia Studio i think
[10:09] <Chislon> happyfool, LinuxJones , ok... but is that better then having like 20 gigs for linux /home? like i dont know hwo it all works
[10:09] <LinuxJones> Chislon, that's ok, it takes a while to get your feet wet with Linux :)
[10:09] <kbrooks> dReadMoRe: yes
[10:09] <FR500> i think NvU is somewhat close to dreamweaver
[10:09] <Chislon> FR500, i tried looking into it, i didnt fully see real replacmeemnts
[10:09] <Chetic> I still get "(EE) No devices detected." when starting X. Please, please help.
[10:09] <dReadMoRe> kbrooks, how?
[10:09] <Chislon> LinuxJones, thank you
[10:09] <teebones> dreamweaver actually runs on linux
[10:09] <teebones> (with wine)
[10:09] <FR500> or cxoffice
[10:09] <kbrooks> Chislon: you can have any ... amount. the limit is your hd space
[10:09] <HappyFool> Chislon: 20 gigs is a quite a lot of data, unless you're editing movies or doing some other specialized work
[10:09] <Chislon> is inkscape equivalaent to freehand/illustrator/flash vector stuff?
[10:10] <_freak> hi all.
[10:10] <FR500> from my experience with office XP cxoffice works well
[10:10] <IIIEars> Chetic - If you see crimsun ask him. He knows quite a bit.
[10:10] <teebones> FR500, yep
[10:10] <[Chameleon] > Chislon: I've had 20 GB for my /home for a few years and I can tell you that it's plenty.
[10:10] <Earthen> Has anyone tried to install "looking Glass" in ubuntu  with any success?
[10:10] <LinuxJones> Chislon, if you download alot of stuff from the internet 20 gigs is not that much. /Home is where all of your personal files like music/movies are stored.
[10:10] <karljp> (home is where it _can_ be stored
[10:10] <Chetic> crimsun - help?
[10:10] <Chislon> kbrooks, HappyFool , well i have 14 used up right now, and 40 free, but i want to put on linux, i just dont know how i should be splitting up my space? as one person said they do i thought maybe i should have partitions for just my OS's and then just puta ll the data on a fat32, but you dont seem to agree with that, so now sure hwo to split it all up, and i need a boot partition too right?
[10:11] <HappyFool> Chislon: don't worry too much about it. 10GB ntfs, 10GB ubuntu, and leave the rest as whatever your need
[10:11] <Chislon> LinuxJones, well i dont do anything illegal so i probably dont download that much
[10:11] <HappyFool> Chislon: i don't think you need to worry about a boot partition
[10:11] <LinuxJones> Chislon, well 20 gigs might be too much :D
[10:11] <karljp> there's lots and lots of free stuff that people download too :)
[10:11] <Chislon> HappyFool, well what would i need it for lol... and oh ok
[10:11] <Chislon> lol
[10:11] <karljp> just think of all those isos
[10:11] <HappyFool> Chislon: say to backup your data when you install a hoary upgrade
[10:12] <nalioth> l8r folks
[10:12] <nalioth> g2g2 WORK
[10:12] <LinuxJones> bye
[10:12] <nalioth> yes, i have to face the big blue room, once more
[10:12] <nalioth> bye
[10:12] <HappyFool> Chislon: or whatever. flexibility is useful, and is all you can do if your specification is as yet unfixed
[10:12] <Chislon> so its not a good idea to have two partitions, 1 just big enough to put winxp on, 1 just big enough to put ubuntu on, a partition for swap space, and then the rest as fat32 to be accessed by both linux and windows ?
[10:12] <HappyFool> Chislon: no, i do not think that is best
[10:13] <Chislon> HappyFool, ok what are the cons of that and the pros of doing it otherwise
[10:13] <Earthen> Has anyone here heard of "looking Glass" the 3d desktop?
[10:13] <Chislon> HappyFool, i didnt know that figure out the partitions was all like this, i thought i could just run the ubuntu install and stuff heh heh
[10:13] <HappyFool> Chislon: please read my (and others ;) previous message regarding this. we are going in circles
[10:13] <Chislon> HappyFool, you nor anyoene else, listed pros or cons
[10:13] <Chislon> HappyFool, all you did was say that you thought i didnt need that much space and such
[10:14] <Chislon> HappyFool, you said that i can read nfts from linux
[10:14] <HappyFool> Chislon: fat32 = somewhat unreliable, does not support linux permissions; i.e., integration with linux is not perfect.
[10:14] <Chislon> HappyFool, you never said that fat32 would make both os's slower or what not, oh and u did say something about the permisions, right... ok sorry, and sorry for being a jerk... its just i dont know what most of it means, sorry
[10:14] <mackito> hi all, I have a latptop with kubuntu and i have connected an external monitor, but this one displays the same image that the laptop screen. somebody call help me? i would be nice if I could see a continous display
[10:14] <HappyFool> Chislon: ntfs, ext3 = reliable, and are 'native' to their respective OS's
[10:14] <Chislon> HappyFool, sorry for being a jerk, i forgot about that, so sorry
[10:14] <Chislon> sorry
[10:14] <HappyFool> relax ;)
[10:15] <Chislon> thank you :)
[10:15] <Chislon> so..
[10:15] <FR500> 20gb a lot? lol, i download that i a week
[10:15] <Chislon> if i am using windows realy only for games, then i should make linux the biggest partition or?
[10:15] <shaya> anyone here using the new X in breezy?
[10:15] <FR500> gotta but myself a new hd tomorrow
[10:15] <Chislon> lmost of youw ould recommend using only linux right cuz its like all better than windows?
[10:16] <stazz> Chislon: the linux partition can be less than 10 gigabytes, and all the system-stuff fits neatly in
[10:16] <forced> I don't recommend using only linux, it's not for everyone, heh.
[10:16] <LinuxJones> Chislon, if you like gaming keep windows around
[10:16] <Chislon> stazz, what about other stuff i might want or need? i guess i dont really get how it all works...
[10:16] <HappyFool> Chislon: what is best for you depends on your requirements ;) not on our opinions
[10:16] <marsh> anyone know anything about Graveman?
[10:16] <Chislon> HappyFool, but i can use your opinions and reasons for them to help figure out what best fits my requirments
[10:16] <Fator_Dee> marsh: what about it?
[10:16] <Chislon> LinuxJones, ok.. thank you
[10:16] <LinuxJones> Chislon, have you tried one of the Ubuntu LiveCD ?
[10:16] <marsh> doesn't seem to work...
[10:16] <Chislon> what partitioning program do you recommend
[10:17] <forced> cfdisk... :P
[10:17] <IIIEars> Chislon - making a boot partition is a little extra effort but keeping your grub set up stable is worth it. - personally i like to have a large fat32 parttion to store files.
[10:17] <Fator_Dee> marsh: quite vague eh?
[10:17] <Chislon> LinuxJones, ya i ran it a bit and talked on irc and browsed the web and signed on to GAIM, but i mean i dont knwo enough to be able to check anything else
[10:17] <HappyFool> anyway, i am tired and must go to sleep. good night all
[10:17] <marsh> but it doesn't send any messages to 2> either - so I cant tell anything at all!?!?
[10:17] <Chislon> i also tried the freesbie thing, i think i preer XFCE to gnome
[10:17] <marsh> Fator_Dee, yeah - it is!!
[10:17] <apex> hiho
[10:17] <Chislon> IIIEars, how big should the boot partition be
[10:17] <apex> anyone knows where to download the 5.04 ubuntu dvd?
[10:17] <marsh> Fator_Dee, just fails any time I try to burn anything...
[10:18] <apex> torrent seems dead :-(
[10:18] <marsh> Fator_Dee, or erase a rw
[10:18] <stazz> Chislon: You should read some tutorials. You typically need a system-partitio (<10gb) a swap-partition(512mb-1gb) and a home-directory for your personal stuff, which's size depends on what you are going to store, if movies/music & etc -> bigger partition
[10:18] <stazz> Chislon: the linux partitioning happens during the startup, but it doesn't allow you to modify windows-partitions
[10:18] <stazz> Chislon: during installation, of course..
[10:18] <Fator_Dee> marsh: preferences are ok?
[10:18] <Chislon> IIIEars, cuz the boot only holds grub? (i dont know hat grub is besides soemthing to do with dual booting selection or something)
[10:18] <LinuxJones> Chislon, as long as you have an idea what linux is like, you should have no trouble getting it installed. You have an enmpty 40 gig drive your going to use ?
[10:18] <FR500> apex,  tracker is down
[10:18] <Chetic> "(EE) No devices found." when starting X... what do I do?
[10:18] <dulouz> Hi folks, i just installed Ubuntu, comming from SuSE 9.1. I havn't used Gnome in years. Something in the Ubuntu system, i think Gnome, is not letting Neverwinter Nights play audio. If I quit X completely and start NWN with "xinit ./nwn --:0" audio works in Neverwinter Nights. Or if I quit X and start X with fluxbox. Anyone know what I might look for in Gnome that could be causing no audio in NWN?
[10:18] <marsh> as far as i know...
[10:18] <apex> any alternatives?
[10:18] <apex> ftp?
[10:19] <stazz> dulouz: killall -9 esd
[10:19] <hondje> dulouz: try killall esd ?
[10:19] <marsh> hang on, I'll just check 'em properly
[10:19] <dulouz> stazz, hondje, wow fast responses :)
[10:19] <Fator_Dee> dulouz: the problem is with esd
[10:19] <hondje> stazz: you can pass signals with killall? :o
[10:19] <dReadMoRe> why can't i go to extensions page of firefox?
[10:19] <IIIEars> 50mbs will leave some room for faqs if you ever get stuck without the net.
[10:19] <_freak> has anybody successfully applied the ALSA patches (ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/kernel-patches/alsa-bk-2005-01-14.patch.gz) that can tell a newbie (one week in - I'm trying, but at this point I'm almost saturated with newness) what the heck I'm to do with it? :)
[10:19] <stazz> hondje: umm. yes? :)
[10:20] <hondje> stazz: Never knew that :D
[10:20] <FR500> how can i output something to another tty?
[10:20] <Chislon> LinuxJones, i have only 1 hard drive, currently all set for windowsxphome, about 14 is used, about 40 is free space
[10:20] <dulouz> stazz, hondje, Factor_Dee: thanks that worked
[10:20] <dimeo> dulouz: after installing ubuntu I had to set my system preferences multimedia selector to use ESD and also set the program running like XMMS to output to ESD
[10:20] <marsh> Fator_Dee, should the 'external programs' have anything in them? the dselect entry for graveman doen't say it requires anything...?
[10:20] <marsh> Fator_Dee, mine a re all empty
[10:20] <stazz> Chislon: what exactly are you looking for from linux?
[10:20] <Fator_Dee> marsh: lemme check
[10:21] <marsh> thx Fator_Dee
[10:21] <dulouz> dimeo: thanks, i'll keep that in mind
[10:21] <IIIEars> Chislon - grab another drive from somewhere. much easier to change your mind about distros.
[10:21] <marsh> Fator_Dee, where you checkin... yours?
[10:21] <FR500> dulouz, i think selecting a different sound system for gnome may cure it permanently
[10:21] <GuiRC> anyone uses dial connection with Ubuntu here?
[10:21] <Fator_Dee> marsh: of course?
[10:21] <dockane> which bash command shows the size of all files in the current directory
[10:21] <Fator_Dee> marsh: and where did you find external programs
[10:22] <FR500> ls -l?
[10:22] <stazz> dockane: ls -lah, du -h
[10:22] <hondje> dockane: I like ls -lh
[10:22] <marsh> in the options dialog
[10:22] <dockane> stazz, du ... thats it thnx
[10:22] <marsh> second tab, Fator_Dee
[10:22] <Fator_Dee> marsh: ah, ok
[10:22] <dulouz> FR5: yeah, I tried setting it to ALSA, but I guess ESD was monopolizing the sound card. now that esd is no longer running I can set it to ALSA
[10:22] <Fator_Dee> marsh: yeah, there are bunch of programs
[10:23] <marsh> best i install them then, eh... :o\...
[10:23] <Chislon> IIIEars, this is a laptop
[10:23] <dulouz> thanks all that was some crazy quick answering.
[10:23] <Chetic> "(EE) No devices found." when starting X... what do I do?
[10:23] <Fator_Dee> marsh: they should be there if you installed graveman, dependencies and all
[10:23] <LinuxJones> Chislon, I would do 6 gig for / , 500 meg swap , and 15-10 gigs /home
[10:23] <marsh> Fator_Dee, i did - used apt-get...
[10:23] <snoopy_> can someone help me with a wireless problem?
[10:24] <stazz> dulouz: you can have esd run simulatenously with xmms' alsa-output
[10:24] <FR500> snoopy_, just ask
[10:24] <Chislon> stazz, i dunno, its supposed to be better than windows, and i want to learn programming, and i guess the tools for python and such are not free in windows but theya re in linux, i want to get into programming, and 2d/3d graphics and animation, and all the normal desktop stuff... i dont know what other things u would do are? im not doing server stuff, and for games ill keep windows xp
[10:24] <GuiRC> anyone uses dialed connection (56K) with Ubuntu here??
[10:24] <marsh> and cdrecord is installed - but not found with graveman - hang on I'll check where
[10:24] <snoopy_> i have a linksys card with a broadcom chip
[10:24] <Chislon> LinuxJones, ... whats the difference between / and /home
[10:24] <snoopy_> and it does not work for some reason...
[10:24] <signius> broadcom chipset forget it
[10:24] <FR500> snoopy_, mine works
[10:24] <FR500> snoopy_, use ndiswrapper
[10:24] <signius> unless you want to use ndiswrappers
[10:24] <snoopy_> it kinda works...
[10:24] <stazz> Chislon: / is the lowest level of all directories
[10:24] <snoopy_> i did..
[10:24] <FR500> and?
[10:24] <yahalom> how do i do this: /etc/resolv.conf  is  a  symbolic  link  to  /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf?
[10:25] <snoopy_> i tries this thing on ubuntu forms.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683
[10:25] <signius> if you need rfmon or anything likw that though your screwed with ndiswrappers
[10:25] <Chetic> Wow the help I'm getting here is just tremendous
[10:25] <stazz> Chislon: /home is a home -directory, and it serve as a "mountpoint" for some partition. but it contains users personal data&settings
[10:25] <Chislon> stazz i thought that you put linux on one partition, swap on another, and boot on another, why am i doing two partitions or linux?
[10:25] <Chetic> brb, shooting myself
[10:25] <FR500> yahalom, you never asked a querstion
[10:25] <dReadMoRe> how can i install mplayer?
[10:25] <FR500> signius, normal users dont use rfmon
[10:25] <yahalom> FR500, how do i make /etc/resolv.conf   a  symbolic  link  to  /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf?
[10:25] <stazz> Chislon: You should have at least three partitions, swap, root (/) and /home
[10:25] <snoopy_> it recieves  and sends packets as told by the applet but it does not work when i use a web browser..
[10:25] <signius> i bet you cant use kismet or similar utilities with your broadcom chipset and ndis wrappers tho
[10:25] <FR500> ln --help?
[10:25] <forced> Chislon: www.pathname.com/fhs - Might help you understand the directory structure.
[10:26] <LinuxJones> Chislon, all of your personal files and personal settings are separate from the core of the OS. On their own partition you can do a re-install if something bad happens and keep all of your settings.
[10:26] <yahalom> FR500, i tried. i want to make sure i got it right
[10:26] <marsh> Fator_Dee: i was wrong - all the progs are there - i was looking at the other parameters boxes...
[10:26] <signius> FR500: Are you claiming im not normal ???????????????????
[10:26] <stazz> Chislon: swap serves as a "pagefile" or "ram-extension", if /home is on a separate partition, it's fairly easily to reset the entire system without loosing any personal data
[10:26] <Earthen> snoopy make sure you have the right DNS's
[10:26] <snoopy_> Earthen: how do i do that?
[10:26] <Chislon> forced, thank you
[10:26] <signius> LMAO i wish i had a 1 for every time i been told that
[10:26] <yahalom> FR500, ln -s /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf ??
[10:26] <forced> Np.
[10:26] <signius> fuck would i be seriously rich
[10:27] <Chislon> LinuxJones, on that sounds good, am i, being new to linux, likely to mess stuff up?^^
[10:27] <Chislon> stazz, ok that sounds good
[10:27] <FR500> signius, lol, i didnt say anything
[10:27] <FR500> signius, i meant the avergae user
[10:27] <stazz> Chislon: it's kinda like having d:\ partition for documents & settings and for other stuff
[10:27] <LinuxJones> Chislon, everybody does...it takes a few months before you start feeling comfortable with the basics :)
[10:27] <Earthen> thats a good question
[10:27] <signius> screwing stuff up and then sussing out how to fix it is how you will expand your knowledge
[10:27] <forced> Chislon, You're likely to mess something up on ANY os if you're new.
[10:27] <snoopy_> Earthen: i have these in my dns;s list : 68.87.64.196, 68.87.66.196, 68.82.0.5
[10:27] <Chislon> so will doing 1 gig of swap be better tho? i dont mind using that much space for it, but if thats going to be useless tho then i obviously dont want to do it
[10:27] <Chislon> stazz, ah ok thank you
[10:27] <FR500> yahalom, yes it's right
[10:28] <Earthen> ok the it should be ok
[10:28] <pfp> Chetic: i'm not xactly an expert w/ X, but what display card do you have?
[10:28] <FR500> snoopy_, can you ping your gateway?
[10:28] <yahalom> FR500, thanx
[10:28] <snoopy_> hmm..
[10:28] <forced> Chislon, General rule of thumb for swap is memory * 2... Unless it's over a gig, then a gig of swap is fine.
[10:28] <IIIEars> signius - jeez looks like i'll be a linux Einstein inside of 6 weeks - j/k - grin
[10:28] <snoopy_> ping gateway?
[10:28] <Chislon> LinuxJones, heh heh alright :) i tried to install ubuntu when i got up... but now i have a bunch of tabs up in firefox to look over and some printouts i did, i thought id be able to install it easily, but i have tons to read yet :)
[10:28] <Chetic> pfp - I have an ATi X800XL (PCI-E)
[10:28] <FR500> ping your default gateway
[10:28] <LinuxJones> Chislon, with 700+megs of ram it probably will not even be used, I think 500 will be ok but if you wnat to make it 1 gig it won't hurt anything.
[10:28] <FR500> your router
[10:28] <Earthen> I had that problem with my dialup connection one time and it was because i was not getting my DNS's
[10:29] <Chislon> forced, ok thanks, and all the webpages i read say that the old memory * 2 rule is no longer a good rule of thumb, that that was for older comps when you hardly had memory
[10:29] <Earthen> snoopy can you ping www.google.com
[10:29] <Chislon> LinuxJones, ok thank you
[10:29] <kbrooks_> brb
[10:29] <pfp> Chetic: ok, ati cards need (or at least benefit from) propietary drivers, have you installed those?
[10:29] <snoopy_> let me try
[10:29] <Chislon> what partition program do you recommend using... hopefully a free one?
[10:29] <forced> Chislon, That's why I said over a gig = set it to a gig of swap. :P That's where the benefits begin to of the rule of thumb start to dissipate.
[10:29] <FR500> Earthen, shouldnt try to ping the router first? he said he is using ndiswrapper
[10:29] <Chetic> pfp - yeah..
[10:29] <LinuxJones> Chislon, the installer can do partitioning
[10:29] <snoopy_> it says google cannot be found..
[10:29] <stazz> Chislon: if you don't need to resize any partitions, go with the ones on the installer
[10:30] <kbrooks> brb.
[10:30] <jaysin> can anyone help me with gnomebaker? everytime i try to burn  a cd, it asks me to insert the blank media, then it errors out after i do
[10:30] <IIIEars>  - "$ sudo sysctl -w vm.swappiness=10 " and do _not_ do the permanent "vm.swappiness=10 to /etc/sysctl.conf", or a different command will do the same
[10:30] <IIIEars> lsuactiafner i use sysctl -a | grep vm
[10:30] <IIIEars> lsuactiafner vm.overcommit_memory = 1
[10:30] <IIIEars> lsuactiafner i dont use swap @ all
[10:30] <Chislon> LinuxJones, it didnt seem to?
[10:30] <Chislon> im pretty sure i need to resize my partition to make room
[10:30] <signius> when i browse fiolders and file with the file browser in Places
[10:30] <snoopy_> FR500: how do i ping my router?
[10:30] <Earthen> ok so can you ping 64.233.187.104
[10:30] <Chislon> i need to resize my windwos partition i think, otherwise id ont ahve any room
[10:30] <lsuactiafner> is rtc or hpet better?
[10:30] <signius> can i set it not to open a new window for every level
[10:31] <lsuactiafner> ping address -c 5
[10:31] <signius> its driving me mad
[10:31] <LinuxJones> Chislon, can you do that in windows ?
[10:31] <marsh> everything still fails though - immediately i ask it to do something
[10:31] <Earthen> snoppy can you ping 64.233.187.104
[10:31] <signius> i just want it to change directories within the same window
[10:31] <marsh> fator: everything still fails though - immediately i ask it to do something
[10:31] <Chislon> forced, ok... so is 1 gig of swap good if i have 736mb of ram, or ur saying i should do 1472mb of swap?
[10:31] <pfp> Chetic: have you tried running 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg' ?
[10:31] <FR500> snoopy_, run "ip route" there should be a route that says default via
[10:31] <Chislon> LinuxJones, not with out a program of some kind i dont think
[10:31] <LinuxJones> Chislon, just free up some space after doing a defrag and boot into the Ubuntu installer cd
[10:31] <forced> 1 gig shoudl be enough, heh.
[10:31] <snoopy_> Earthen: it doesnt
[10:32] <FR500> snoopy_, ping the ip address that is after via
[10:32] <Chetic> pfp - no, what's that?
[10:32] <kbrooks> erm
[10:32] <wawa> Chislon: use partition magic
[10:32] <LinuxJones> Chislon, I haven't run windows in 5 years so I don't know if Ubuntu supports ntfs resizing.
[10:32] <marsh> and there's no help from the graveman site - their FAQ only has 2 questions - surely there has to be more than 2 FAQ's!!
[10:32] <Chislon> LinuxJones, i did that, and i dunno i am not sure that it wouldnt clear away windows or soemthing?
[10:32] <Chislon> wawa, is there a free one?
[10:32] <Fator_Dee> marsh: you could try gnomebaker
[10:32] <Earthen> snoffy :ok so you have some other problem sorry
[10:32] <Chislon> LinuxJones, ok, thank you :)
[10:32] <kbrooks> this gnome-terminal simply doesnt display a prompt
[10:32] <wawa> Chislon: try to check if they have free trial
[10:33] <kbrooks> why?
[10:33] <Chislon> wawa, they dont
[10:33] <pfp> Chetic: it re-runs the configure scripts from package xserver-xorg, asking you about display h/w etc.
[10:33] <Chislon> wawa, i checked earlier
[10:33] <marsh> Fator_Dee, does it make audio cd's? i used to use k3b & it was xlnt... but kdebase wont install on ubuntu >:(
[10:33] <Chetic> pfp - alright that might help.. but how many kilobytes is 256MB exactly?
[10:33] <pfp> Chetic: you should choose the correct driver there (fgrlxsomehthing for ati cards i think)
[10:33] <snoopy_> FR500: i pinged 192.168.1.1 and it said 100% packet loss
[10:33] <marsh> so i can't have it...
[10:33] <Chetic> pfp - yeah
[10:33] <Fator_Dee> marsh: not sure about that
[10:33] <FR500> what is your ip?
[10:33] <marsh> 'cause i cant make kdebase install
[10:33] <Chislon> and everyone agrees that 6 gig is good for /?
[10:34] <kbrooks> brb
[10:34] <FR500> snoopy_, then you are not connected
[10:34] <snoopy_> hmm
[10:34] <pfp> Chetic: usually you dont need to specify your video ram anywhere, should be autoconfigured, but 256 MB == 256*1024 kB
[10:34] <marsh> anyone know what the main kde package is called?
[10:34] <pfp> *detected
[10:34] <marsh> is it qt?
[10:34] <FR500> snoopy_, then you are not connected
[10:34] <snoopy_> FR500: the applet says it is sending and recieving packets via wlan0
[10:34] <wawa> Chislon: I dont know of any other....you can reformat your HDD and do the partition there
[10:35] <Chislon> wawa, ok thank you
[10:35] <FR500> snoopy_, that doesnt mean anything
[10:35] <snoopy_> hmm
[10:35] <snoopy_> any suggestions?
[10:35] <FR500> snoopy_, run iwconfig, check if your essid is set
[10:35] <snoopy_> yes
[10:35] <FR500> and your ap is set?
[10:35] <FR500> to the mac of the ap
[10:35] <snoopy_> it has some key for ap
[10:36] <FR500> hmm
[10:36] <FR500> can you ping other pcs in the network?
[10:36] <marsh> and does anyone also know how to get a list of available packages in apt-get using regex? like doing a 'yum search'  -  to find matches in the description?
[10:36] <snoopy_> how do i?
[10:36] <wawa> Anyone using VLC and getting good picture on fullscreen?
[10:37] <FR500> snoopy_, get the ip of the other pc and type ping ip_of_the_other_oc
[10:37] <wawa> mine is going blurred as soon as I put on fullscreen
[10:37] <FR500> Marsh, are you running X?
[10:37] <marsh> Oh yes..
[10:38] <marsh> gnome - default install - with a few bits on top...
[10:38] <FR500> then why not search with synaptic?
[10:38] <snoopy_> FR500: i did ping it and it did nothing....the ping kept on saying "sendmsg:operation not permitted"
[10:38] <FR500> operation not permited
[10:38] <FR500> something is working bad
[10:38] <snoopy_> yes
[10:38] <IIIEars> wawa - did you need my settings? - it works okay here.
[10:38] <FR500> do you have iptables?
[10:38] <snoopy_> i have firestarter set up..
[10:39] <FR500> disable it
[10:39] <stuNNed> does apt-get have a logfile of installed packages?
[10:39] <marsh> synaptic?
[10:39] <marsh> me?
[10:39] <wawa> IIIEars: yes please send me
[10:39] <FR500> marsh, yes
[10:39] <FR500> marsh, don't like it?
[10:39] <stuNNed> and if i place a script in /etc/rc2.d will it start once upon entering ubuntu's default runlevel 2?
[10:39] <pfp> stuNNed: dpkg --get-selections | less
[10:39] <stuNNed> pfp: thanks
[10:39] <marsh> 'cause i've never heard of it...?!?!?! - hang on, I'll check it out...
[10:39] <FR500> stuNNed, yes
[10:39] <snoopy_> FR500: aha ! it pings..
[10:39] <marsh> p^ss1w0rd
[10:40] <stuNNed> FR500: thanks
[10:40] <FR500> and the router?
[10:40] <FR500> if you are behind a nat router you dont need firestarter
[10:40] <pfp> stuNNed: altough rc[0-9] .d usually contain only symlinks to /etc/init.d/foo
[10:40] <stuNNed> pfp: a logfile based on time when they were installed
[10:40] <snoopy_> FR500: it works!!!!!
[10:40] <Chislon> alright i gotta go for a bit, thanks for the help everyone
[10:41] <snoopy_> FR500: my goodness
[10:41] <FR500> snoopy_, now ping google
[10:41] <snoopy_> ok
[10:41] <FR500> snoopy_, common problem
[10:41] <snoopy_> FR500: yes it works..
[10:41] <Chetic> FUCK
[10:41] <pfp> stuNNed: not Cafaik... altough you could try looking at timestamps for /usr/share/doc/$package :/
[10:41] <FR500> snoopy_, i think you better remove or disable firestarter if you are never gonna be connected to a network with public ips
[10:41] <Chetic> I mean... darn
[10:42] <benplaut> anyone here have/use an IBM Atheros A/B/G Mini-PCI wireless card?
[10:42] <snoopy_> FR500: how do i set up firestarter with it..
[10:42] <stuNNed> pfp: would be nice, eh? :)
[10:42] <Chetic> pfp - It gives me the exact same message still
[10:42] <FR500> snoopy_, never used it
[10:42] <snoopy_> FR500: i also want it to work with WPA
[10:42] <FR500> snoopy_, i use iptables directly
[10:42] <snoopy_> ok
[10:42] <FR500> snoopy_, go to #ndiswrapper
[10:42] <snoopy_> how does that work?
[10:42] <stuNNed> pfp: i.e. want to try out a package and it installs deps but lost track of what it installed
[10:42] <snoopy_> ok
[10:42] <FR500> snoopy_, iptables: all command line
[10:42] <snoopy_> ah
[10:43] <mjr> benplaut, should work with the drivers in linux-restricted-modules
[10:43] <snoopy_> i'm new to linux..
[10:43] <FR500> benplaut, i have an atheros ABG
[10:43] <pfp> stuNNed: yeah, thats a common problem... deborphan is handy for removing unused libraries though
[10:43] <Chetic> I _STILLLL_ get "(EE) No devices detected." - Somebody PLEASE help.
[10:43] <FR500> Chetic, you using breezy?
[10:44] <Chetic> FR500 - I have no idea what that is so I don't think so
[10:44] <FR500> Chetic, default Hoary setup?
[10:44] <pfp> Chetic: could you post output of startx somewhere? (like http://ubuntu.pastebin.com )
[10:44] <snoopy_> FR500: many thanks....i will try to make it work with WPA now..
[10:44] <Chetic> FR500 - Yes default
[10:44] <FR500> snoopy_, np
[10:44] <snoopy_> FR500: thanks!
[10:44] <Chetic> pfp - how? I don't have any X or anything...
[10:44] <FR500> snoopy_, btw, what exact card do you have, i have wpc54 with speedbooster and it doesnt work
[10:45] <snoopy_> i have a wmp54g linksys with broadcom chipset
[10:45] <FR500> mine has broadcom too
[10:45] <FR500> hmm
[10:45] <benplaut> mjr, FR500: does scanning work?
[10:45] <FR500> benplaut, yes
[10:46] <FR500> of the box
[10:46] <Chetic> FR500 - Yeah I have the default hoary setup but, why?
[10:46] <benplaut> darn!
[10:46] <Lafitte-> what is the format command in linux ?    man format gives nothing
[10:46] <benplaut> this card gives me a headache...
[10:46] <pfp> Chetic: mm, right... do you have any web space available where you could put it?
[10:46] <stazz> Lafitte-: basically you do a new filesystem
[10:46] <benplaut> and it's supposed to have good support :P
[10:46] <stazz> Lafitte-: so if you want to format an ext3 partition, you just overwrite the last one
[10:47] <Chetic> pfp - Yes but I don't know HOW I would put it anywhere without any graphical interface
[10:47] <Lafitte-> stazz,  i set the drive to fat32 in cfdisk
[10:47] <pfp> Lafitte-: mke2fs or mkfs
[10:47] <stazz> Lafitte-: mkfs.vfat :)
[10:47] <FR500> Chetic, cuz mine has worked on every box i tried
[10:47] <sevets> Hello
[10:47] <Chetic> FR500 - Have you ever tried on a Athlon64 with a PCI-E X800 ATi card?
[10:48] <sevets> How do I format an ntfs hard drive with ubuntu?
[10:48] <Lafitte-> THANKS
[10:48] <FR500> Ath 64 yes, with gf 5700
[10:48] <FR500> benplaut, consider urself lucky, when fc2 was released there was no way to get it to work till ndiswrapper 0.1
[10:48] <Chetic> Well that's easy
[10:48] <sevets> the fs shouldn't matter hmm
[10:48] <FR500> benplaut, can you connect?
[10:48] <stazz> sevets: besically you don't/shouldn't
[10:48] <Chetic> FR500 - nvidia cards always work great. Ati never.
[10:48] <anna> sevets: Formating is reseting the FS
[10:48] <sevets> Yes
[10:48] <anna> And as such, the fs matters most
[10:48] <FR500> you gotta harrass your manufacturer for decent drivers
[10:48] <pfp> Chetic: 'startx > startx.txt 2> &1 ' puts the output to the named file, can you upload it w/ for example FTP to your proider?
[10:49] <sevets> I want to format it with a friendlier FS
[10:49] <anna> Linux knows litterally a lot of FS
[10:49] <hondje> people have been harrassing ati for years, still no good drivers :)
[10:49] <anna> Ah, if you want to use normal Linux fs, it is as easy
[10:49] <sevets> Yes
[10:49] <Chetic> pfp - I don't know how to use FTP out in the console..
[10:49] <nxv_> what is gam_server?
[10:49] <anna> mkfs is your friend
[10:50] <FR500> Chetic ftp ip_add
[10:50] <sevets> mkfs
[10:50] <sevets> ok
[10:50] <pfp> Chetic: easy :) just type 'ftp ftp.provider.com'
[10:50] <anna> Maybe qparted could do it too
[10:50] <FR500> then bin to get binary files and mget to get files
[10:50] <Chetic> pfp - ok but I don't have any FTP to upload to
[10:50] <pfp> Chetic: oh, heh... umm
[10:51] <geppy> Where does f-spot keep its configuration?  I can't seem to find it in ~/.gconf/applications
[10:51] <anna> e.g. mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hda3
[10:51] <sevets> ok that sounds good
[10:51] <geppy> Oh, ~/.gnome2/f-spot
[10:51] <Chetic> pfp - I see no reason for you to read the rest though.. it really doesn't say anything new
[10:51] <anna> Just be sure the device is the correct one, sevets
[10:51] <anna> And have it not mounted
[10:52] <lsuactiafner> Chetic : ncftp link
[10:52] <lsuactiafner> get put ls is all the commands you need
[10:52] <lsuactiafner> ncftp demit
[10:52] <Chetic> lsuactiafner - ok now get me an ftp to do that on :(
[10:52] <sevets> anna: what does the -t stand for?
[10:52] <pfp> Chetic: it would tell eg. if x has the wrong driver configured
[10:53] <mats> hello! i got the same problem wich is suscribed here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12579 , does anybody know whats need to be done?
[10:53] <Chetic> pfp - I've tried ati, fglrx and vga, they all give the same
[10:54] <pfp> Chetic: hmm, it might have to do w/ the fact that your card is pci-e; i dont have any experience with those
[10:54] <Chetic> ok.. has anyone ever used an ATi PCI-E card in linux? ever?
[10:54] <FR500> benplaut,
[10:54] <FR500> benplaut, did you get it to work?
[10:54] <sevets> whats the command to delete something using the terminal?
[10:54] <FR500> benplaut, it works with madwifi
[10:55] <FR500> sevets, rm
[10:55] <mats> rm
[10:55] <FR500> Chetic, maybe at the wiki?
[10:55] <mats> what can i do when all mediaplayers fail to play on my laptop?
[10:55] <sevets> FR500: and for a directory?
[10:56] <Chetic> FR500 - you know how fun it is to browse around in lynx on these sites? :\
[10:56] <pfp> FR500: rm -r directory
[10:56] <lsuactiafner> mats : have you tried mplayer?
[10:56] <lsuactiafner> and what are you trying to play?
[10:56] <pfp> Chetic: elinks and links are a bit better
[10:56] <FR500> Sevets if it's empty rmdir
[10:56] <lsuactiafner> encrypted wmv will be a drag
[10:56] <mrkrabs> mats: hi, do you have installed additionally libs?
[10:56] <FR500> otherwise rm -rf dir
[10:56] <mats> yes, but i think its a problem with my system.. and i don't know what :o
[10:57] <marsh> FR500, synaptic looks pretty bloody handy, dont it?
[10:57] <FR500> Chetic, try to set xorg to use vesafb
[10:57] <FR500> marsh, yes
[10:57] <marsh> cheers, man
[10:57] <FR500> np
[10:57] <SeamusLP> mats:  Does totem-xine work?
[10:57] <mats> mrkrabs: iv installed whats in with the installingprogram. Some more libs i need?
[10:57] <marsh> I'm upgrading everything now - see if i get any result from that
[10:57] <Chetic> FR500 - is that a driver?
[10:57] <kyle_> hmmm.
[10:57] <mats> SeamusLP: nothing works.. it must be the system.
[10:57] <mats> :(
[10:57] <kyle_> when i run gnome-terminal
[10:57] <mrkrabs> mats, install most (or better all) of the gstream libs
[10:57] <FR500> Chetic, yes
[10:57] <kyle_> it says
[10:58] <marsh> Fator_Dee, thanks to you too, geez
[10:58] <kyle_> it says
[10:58] <mrkrabs> mats, mp3 isn't working out of the box cause of license-stuff
[10:58] <marsh> here's hoping i get some sort of result from this 'ere box of mine...
[10:58] <Chetic> FR500 - same stuff plus "failed to load module vesafb, doesn't exist"
[10:58] <kyle_> there was an error creating the child process for this terminal
[10:58] <kyle_> wtf?
[10:58] <mrkrabs> mats, only thing working is wav, and i bet you dont have your tracks saved as wav-files ;-)
[10:58] <mats> mrkrabs: just by apt-get install gstream*
[10:59] <mats> haha, no :(
[10:59] <SeamusLP> mats:  I use the xine backend for totem.  It supports a good number of video codecs.  The command to get it is: sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[10:59] <mrkrabs> when you use ubuntu, use the synaptic-prog
[10:59] <kyle_> mats, \*
[10:59] <mats> but dvds should play.. and thats where my system totaly crashed
[10:59] <SeamusLP> mats:  But for audio I just use the default, rhythmbox with all of the gstreamer codecs
[11:00] <mrkrabs> for the mp3-libs, you have to add the "universe" source to your apt-get-list
[11:01] <FR500> Chetic modprobe vesafb first
[11:01] <FR500> and driver is probably jsut vesa
[11:01] <FR500> dont remember well
[11:01] <mats> if i only get to play dvds im happy ;)
[11:01] <mats> hihi
[11:01] <limer> anyone know how to fix "invisible" contacts in Skype?
[11:01] <kyle_> when i run gnome-terminal
[11:01] <kyle_> it says
[11:01] <kyle_> there was an error creating the child process for this terminal
[11:01] <kyle_> WHAT THE F?
[11:01] <mats> mrkrabs: im downloading all the gstreams now.. do you think that will help?
[11:02] <Chetic> FR500 - Oh my god... I actually got in to X!! Finally some progress, thank you!
[11:02] <mats> gstreamlibs
[11:02] <FR500> Chetic, you are not using your card acceleration though
[11:02] <kyle_> when i run gnome-terminal
[11:02] <FR500> at all
[11:02] <kyle_> it says
[11:02] <mrkrabs> mats, yes, look for the gstreamer0.8-mad library!
[11:02] <kyle_> there was an error creating the child process for this terminal
[11:02] <kyle_> WHAT THE F?
[11:02] <mats> SeamusLP: totem-xine wasnt in my apt-get ;)
[11:02] <kyle_> i need help!
[11:02] <mats> mrkrabs: will do!
[11:02] <tchmnky> Anybody know a command for detecting the filesystems of a partition on, say, /dev/hdb1 ?
[11:03] <FR500> using vesafb should be on the wiki, works almost everytime when video doesnt work
[11:03] <Chetic> FR500 - I know that.. but at least I'm seeing something
[11:03] <FR500> Chetic, now you can browse the wiki
[11:04] <SeamusLP> mats:  You need to enable the universe repository...
[11:04] <mrkrabs> mats, are you still using console-based apt-get or the graphical synaptic-program?
[11:04] <kyle_> when i run gnome-terminal, it says: there was an error creating the child process for this terminal
[11:04] <mats> SeamusLP: how do i do that?
[11:04] <kyle_> Ubuntu 5.04
[11:04] <kyle_> XFCE
[11:04] <mrkrabs> SeamusLP, thought i already mentioned it :-P
[11:04] <kyle_> using bash
[11:04] <mats> mrkrabs: im using console-based apt-get
[11:04] <IIIEars> tchmnky - fstab | grep hdb1 ? (i am really new)
[11:05] <mats> mrkrabs: console is the only way to go ;)
[11:05] <SeamusLP> mats: you need to add a line to /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:05] <tchmnky> IIIEars, AH-HA! Read /etc/fstab. Thank you. You're a genius and I'm thinking too hard. :)
[11:05] <mrkrabs> mats, oh...no x server
[11:05] <lsuactiafner> tchmnky : cfdish /dev/hda hdb or sda or sdb
[11:05] <lsuactiafner> cfdisk
[11:05] <mats> mrkrabs: oh, yes - of course.. but in a terminal
[11:05] <mats> ;)
[11:05] <mrkrabs> mats, i'm not really familiar with apt-get, but i know how, wait a sec.
[11:05] <benplaut> FR500: had to go out and fold a tent :p  | yeah, it works, but scanning does not work, so therefore i can only connect using the Gnome network applet, becuase all the other applets (like GTKwifi) require scanning to work
[11:06] <mrkrabs> mats, add following lines in you /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:06] <FR500> benplaut, that is weird, usually if scan doesnt work you can't set essit
[11:06] <mats> mrkrabs: ok ;)
[11:07] <lsuactiafner> umm
[11:07] <lsuactiafner> just use synaptic and change sources ect
[11:07] <Lafitte-> how do i add a vfat drive to the automount?
[11:07] <lsuactiafner> edit /etc/fstab
[11:08] <mrkrabs> mats, comment out the line "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted" and replace it with "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe main restricted"
[11:08] <mrkrabs> mats, the only different in it is the keyword "universe"
[11:08] <SeamusLP> matrkrabs:  mats is using hoary, right?
[11:08] <eks> Lafitte-: /dev/hda1       /mnt/win        vfat    defaults,rw,user,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=022    0       0
[11:08] <eks> in /etc/fstab
[11:08] <mats> SeamusLP: yes
[11:08] <SeamusLP> mrkrabs I mean
[11:08] <lsuactiafner> wow long domain
[11:08] <mats> mrkrabs: ok, ill try ;)
[11:08] <mrkrabs> SeamusLP, i think so...
[11:08] <Lafitte-> lsuactiafner, ok   is there a readme file because im not sure what to add there for it ?
[11:09] <lsuactiafner> do what eks said
[11:09] <mrkrabs> SeamusLP, but it all based on debian
[11:09] <limer> anyone know how to fix "invisible" contacts in Skype?
[11:09] <mrkrabs> SeamusLP, so it has do be the same in all ubuntus
[11:09] <lsuactiafner> if your partition for windows is called /dev/hda1
[11:09] <lsuactiafner> and if you mkdir /mnt/win
[11:09] <eks> Lafitte-: if you wan to mount your vfat partition in /mnt/win
[11:09] <lsuactiafner> but ubuntu shouldve put an automount to start with?
[11:09] <Lafitte-> i changed it to shared
[11:09] <Lafitte-> its not win
[11:10] <Lafitte-> its a share between windows
[11:10] <eks> then change the line too :)
[11:10] <rosa> hello
[11:10] <SeamusLP> mrkrabs:  I was curious because obviously the universe repository for hoary will be different from warty
[11:10] <rosa> hola gente
[11:10] <mrkrabs> mats, are you ready?
[11:10] <Lafitte-> it looks good thanks guys
[11:11] <compro> hello
[11:11] <mats> mrkrabs: soon.. doing the apt-get update now ;)
[11:11] <eks> Lafitte-: you're welcome
[11:11] <rosa> hello compro
[11:11] <mats> like that, ready
[11:11] <compro> quick question...how do i get a modprobe command to run at bootup?
[11:11] <tchmnky> Ok, I've found that the windows partition is on /dev/hdb1. Will a simple root (hdb1,0) in grub menu.lst allow me to boot it?
[11:11] <dReadMoRe> how can i mount a fat partition for all users read and write to it?
[11:11] <mrkrabs> SeamusLP, i dont think so, because if you are going to make another universe repository for EACH debian clone...have fun :-D
[11:12] <mats> now i also found the gstreamer0.8-mad file
[11:12] <mrkrabs> mats, thats the way, man!
[11:12] <tchmnky> compro, manually, you can add a startup script in /etc/rc2.d/ but there is an automatic way to do it with update-rc.d I think.
[11:12] <SeamusLP> mrkrabs:  All repositories are feature frozen after a certain point in development, afterwards only security updates can be added.
[11:12] <mrkrabs> mats, you should also find a mpeg2 lib
[11:12] <tchmnky> compro, that's if #2 is your default runlevel.
[11:12] <mats> mrkrabs: im learing ;)
[11:12] <mrkrabs> mats,  thats good
[11:13] <mrkrabs> SeamusLP, thats right
[11:13] <rosa> what is #2??
[11:13] <SeamusLP> mrkrabs:  Therefore it would not be possible to make the warty and hoary universe repositories the same
[11:13] <mats> mpeg0.8 ;)
[11:13] <holo> liblame0 has anything to do with seeing the image of a movie? i have sound but totem still doesn't show image
[11:13] <mrkrabs> SeamusLP, hey, just see, that they are using different ones, sorry
[11:14] <eks> tchmnky: adding a line in /etc/modules wouldn't be enought ?
[11:14] <compro> i just want the module to load every time the computer boots up. is there a modules.conf anywhere?
[11:14] <mrkrabs> SeamusLP, i was wrong
[11:14] <Unintentional> hey, what command do I use to get a list of users?
[11:14] <dReadMoRe> how can i mount a fat partition for all users read and write to it? :x
[11:14] <eks> compro : /etc/modules
[11:14] <Mojo_Jojo> I have a question, I was trying to change ubuntu to kubuntu for my. I did 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' it worked fine.
[11:14] <tchmnky> eks - Ah. So that's how it's done.
[11:14] <Mojo_Jojo> then I restarted the computer
[11:14] <punkass> compro: /etc/modules
[11:14] <eks> up ;)
[11:14] <Mojo_Jojo> and there is a KDE login at first... but then it goes to gnome
[11:14] <tchmnky> eks, I'll remember that one in future. Thank you. :)
[11:14] <mrkrabs> SeamusLP, but my foreseeing skills were saying to me, that mats is using hoary
[11:14] <mats> totem-xine will play dvds also? ;)
[11:14] <SeamusLP> mrkrabs:  Yeah no big deal.  It's just if they were the same, you'd have serious dependency issues
[11:14] <compro> thank you.
[11:15] <eks> That's a pleasure
[11:15] <mrkrabs> mats, with the right libs, yes
[11:15] <rosa> .
[11:15] <mrkrabs> mats, but if you have encryptet dvds, you need the libdvdcss lib...
[11:15] <SeamusLP> holo: liblame0 is an mp3 encoder
[11:15] <mrkrabs> mats, dunno if it is allowed in your coutry ;-)
[11:15] <JDahl> holo, the latter...
[11:15] <mats> mrkrabs: now iv done apt-get install gstreamer* - who gave me *ALL* gstreamer libs.. do i need any more?
[11:16] <mrkrabs> mats, no, don think so
[11:16] <holo> SeamusLP: yeah but still i cant' see nothing :\
[11:16] <rosa> try distro LOCO
[11:16] <SeamusLP> holo:  Yeah you're using the gstreamer backend probably, which is more for sound.  Try getting vlc, mplayer, or totem-xine (or all of these) and play a few movies.
[11:17] <kyle_> uh
[11:17] <mats> mrkrabs: ok, then i need to get libdvdcss to ;) wich lib do i need for mp3 and ogg?
[11:17] <holo> SeamusLP: :s i thought totem needed totem-xine in the fist place to work
[11:17] <lsuactiafner> is there a way to disable a certain package by default in apt-get?
[11:18] <mrkrabs> mats, i think ogg is supported out of the box and the gstreamer-mad was for mp3
[11:18] <hondje> lsuactiafner: define disable...make it so no one can install it?
[11:18] <eks> lsuactiafner: yes, with apt-preference
[11:18] <lsuactiafner> as in when i type apt-get upgrade it should be ignored
[11:18] <SeamusLP> holo:  No, totem can use gstreamer and xine
[11:18] <mats> mrkrabs: ok, thanks for all help. Wish me luck! ;)
[11:18] <holo> i use only mplayer with its beatifull flags, when it comes to beatifull frontends i'm clueless
[11:18] <hondje> yeah, apt-preference like eks said
[11:18] <mrkrabs> mats, i do"
[11:18] <hondje> /etc/apt/preferences
[11:18] <lsuactiafner>  /etc/apt/preferences
[11:18] <lsuactiafner> but what do i put in nit?
[11:19] <kyle_> uh
[11:19] <thr1ce> what types of updates can be used with backports?
[11:19] <mrkrabs> mats, how long does it take?
[11:19] <lsuactiafner> syntax is not described
[11:19] <thr1ce> say I wanted gaim 1.30
[11:19] <hondje> lsuactiafner: http://www.argon.org/~roderick/apt-pinning.html
[11:19] <SeamusLP> mats:  you can get a ton of codecs for mplayer and totem-xine here http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html
[11:19] <holo> SeamusLP: don't you think it would be common sense to ubuntu have that installed in the first place, it is a fact that a desktop user will be seeing movies once in a while
[11:19] <hondje> lsuactiafner: follow that, it's pretty straight-foward, if odd syntax
[11:19] <IIIEars> hondje - nice tip :) - Thank You
[11:19] <lsuactiafner> Added HTTP/FTP grab [5/5] 
[11:19] <hondje> :)
[11:19] <thr1ce> nobody uses backports?
[11:20] <lsuactiafner> mats : download the all-bleh
[11:20] <lsuactiafner> thanks
[11:20] <mats> all-bleh?
[11:20] <SeamusLP> holo:  I'm not sure what their rationale is, but if you look on the breezy goals there's a good bit of deliberation about switching to totem-xine.  I believe someone is working on splitting the codecs now.
[11:21] <lsuactiafner> the link doesnt seem to explain what i  want to do
[11:21] <mrkrabs> jopp
[11:21] <lsuactiafner> mplayer > all
[11:21] <holo> SeamusLP: you said about installing mplayer.. totem can use mplayer backend too?
[11:21] <divadssdavid> hello, I wonder if anyone of you knows how to correct the KDE not having mime types rendering kde and all of its applications practically useless
[11:21] <SeamusLP> holo:  No mplayer is a standalone app
[11:22] <SeamusLP> holo: I use totem-xine most of the time, but once in awhile there's something only mplayer can play
[11:22] <IIIEars> What video player has the sunglasses logo?
[11:22] <mats> no, the system still fucks up. The Application KDE Daeamon /kded) crashed and couse the signal 11 (SIGSEGV) <-- what does that mean? :p
[11:23] <kyle_> ALL terminal emulators dont work
[11:23] <mrkrabs> mats, was this message for me?
[11:23] <holo> SeamusLP: i love mplayer, it supports almost every video output, and its command line options are enormous :D
[11:23] <lsuactiafner> xterm is nice
[11:24] <ComPro> ok i added snd_virmidi to the /etc/modules file, and when i rebooted, i had no sound at all, but when i modprobe snd_virmidi, it works just fine. how can i get it to work at boot?
[11:24] <mats> mrkrabs: for anyone ;) do you know what it means?
[11:24] <lsuactiafner> mplayer is one of the most popular downloads on freshmeat
[11:24] <eks> Eterm too
[11:24] <mats> mrkrabs: i dont have any idea
[11:24] <Chetic> Is there a way to limit the max download speed of apt-get?
[11:24] <SeamusLP> holo:  Yeah it's not bad, I may switch to it if I can get a decent UI for it.  That's really the reason I'm using totem.
[11:24] <mrkrabs> mats, not really, but what are you trying to start?
[11:24] <mrkrabs> mats, and how is you mp3-thing going?
[11:25] <apollo2011> How do I use ndiswrapper to setup Wi-Fi setup on my Dell Inspiron 8600 with a Dell (Broadcom Wi-Fi card?
[11:25] <mats> havnt tryd any mp3 yet. When i put the dvd into my pc whis message comes up.. over-and-over again
[11:25] <holo> SeamusLP: i can't get this information for myself, totem has subtitle browse support? you are right, mplayer gui suck, i think the developer is much interested in that
[11:26] <holo> but i made a script to mplayer that is very handy :D
[11:26] <mrkrabs> apollo2011, isnt it a centrino built-in wlanchip?
[11:26] <lsuactiafner> mplayer gui looks sexy
[11:26] <mrkrabs> mats, is it totem, xine-ui or what are you trying to start?
[11:26] <holo> *is not much interested in that
[11:26] <Chetic> Can't mplayer be apt-get'd?
[11:26] <apollo2011> mrkrabs: no its a Broadcom.  I got it because it was A/B/G wireless
[11:26] <hondje> Chetic: It's in multiverse :)
[11:26] <holo> lsuactiafner: ok you said that becouse i said otherwise
[11:27] <Chetic> hondje, ah thanks
[11:27] <apollo2011> mrkrabs: Dell calls it a Dell card but they re-sell it and it is really a Broadcom manufactured card
[11:27] <mrkrabs> hm...what chipset? isnt it supported by any os-projects?
[11:27] <eks> ComPro: are you sure you added it on a new line, correctly spelled ?
[11:27] <SeamusLP> holo: Not sure, I don't use subtitles
[11:27] <ComPro> yes, i did.
[11:27] <bwb>  hey.... Is it possible to mirror logical volumes (and constrain them to different physical discs) so that if one disc fails I'll still have a copy of everything for the logical volume on a seperate disk?
[11:27] <holo> SeamusLP: :p
[11:27] <mats> mrkrabs: im not trying to stat anything.. possible kde trys to start someting for me.. but i dont know how to turn it of..
[11:27] <eks> strange :(
[11:27] <mjr> bwb, put a raid-1 under the lvm
[11:27] <ComPro> that file is only required to get timidity working in wine, it's not my main sound, so it shouldn't have killed it.
[11:27] <mrkrabs> mats, do you have dma enabled for your dvd-device?
[11:28] <Chetic> How do I add the multiverse to my sources.list file? I only have universe..
[11:28] <bwb> mjr: will that mirror just paritions or entire drives tho?
[11:28] <bwb> mjr: because I don't have enough space to mirror everything
[11:28] <eks> Chetic: yes
[11:28] <lsuactiafner> umm
[11:28] <mjr> bwb, Linux's software raid works with partitions
[11:28] <eks> Chetic: in synaptic
[11:28] <lsuactiafner> how do i make apt-get donwload a package and no dependancies?
[11:28] <mrkrabs> Chetic, simply add the keyword "multiverse" to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:28] <SeamusLP> mats:  Isn't there a #kubuntu channel?  #ubuntu is more for gnome users I think
[11:28] <mats> mrkrabs: i dont think so.. i dont remember how iv sheck anyway :p
[11:28] <lsuactiafner> like i want mplayer-fonts but not mplayer itself
[11:29] <bwb> mjr: ah cool....
[11:29] <eks> lsuactiafner: download manualy the .deb file
[11:29] <Lafitte-> has anyone managed to setup a built in ricoh card reader yet ?
[11:29] <mrkrabs> mats, ok, lemme think about that one...it was something like hdparm...mom
[11:29] <apollo2011> How do I use ndiswrapper to setup Wi-Fi setup on my Dell Inspiron 8600 with a Dell (Broadcom Wi-Fi card?
[11:29] <eks> and rename it .tar.gz
[11:29] <dReadMoRe> how can i mount a fat partition for all users read and write to it? :x
[11:29] <eks> ComPro: and when you type lsmod before msprobing it ?
[11:29] <mats> SeamusLP: :)
[11:29] <mjr> apollo2011, try #ndiswrapper
[11:29] <LinuxNIT-> how can i create a iso out of a floppy disk?
[11:30] <[Chameleon] > LinuxNIT-: dd
[11:30] <Chetic> Is there a way to limit the max download speed of apt-get?
[11:30] <bwb> mjr: but all of lvm would be ontop of raid, no?
[11:30] <holo> anyone here uses subtitles in totem?
[11:30] <SeamusLP> mats:  it's sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[11:30] <mats> mrkrabs: hdparm it is.. and im not using dma
[11:30] <mjr> bwb, well, that'd be the useful way to do it
[11:30] <ComPro> the module i want isn't loaded. is there a specific module you are looking for?
[11:30] <mrkrabs> mats, try to enable it
[11:30] <Lafitte-> does centrino 1.7 use linux-686 or linux-686-smp?
[11:31] <SeamusLP> Lafitte-:  smp is only if you have dual-processors or hyperthreading.  So linux-686.
[11:31] <eks> apollo2011: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[11:31] <Lafitte-> SeamusLP,  thanks :)
[11:31] <mats> mrkrabs: ill try reading man hdparm ;)
[11:31] <eks> ComPro: none
[11:31] <punkass> apollo2011: there is this to: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31926
[11:32] <holo> can i use debian repositorys like marillat in ubuntu without compromise?
[11:32] <punkass> apollo2011: nevermind my link, eks is much simpler
[11:32] <mats> mrkrabs: done ;)
[11:33] <eks> ComPro: I don't know, sorry :(
[11:33] <mrkrabs> mats, and now??
[11:33] <FR500> apollo2011, looks at ndiswrapper wiki, it's real easy if you follow the steps
[11:33] <ComPro> alright. thanks anyways.
[11:33] <kbrooks> ok
[11:34] <kbrooks> i RTFM
[11:34] <mats> mrkrabs: the same f** problem ;(
[11:34] <kbrooks> turned out that udev wasnt even running
[11:34] <kbrooks> so i rebooted
[11:34] <eks> ComPro: de nada :] 
[11:35] <BoD_SWAT> evening all
[11:35] <lsuactiafner> heh i dont have ndiswrapper-utils in my apt-get
[11:35] <BoD_SWAT> anyone know a good scp (gui) app for gnome?
[11:35] <andrew> Hey, can anyone help me with installing the nVidia system drivers on ubuntu?
[11:35] <eks> lsuactiafner: have you main restricted universe multiverse ?
[11:35] <mats> mrkrabs: i think maby kde is opening my dvd-rom with an program who is failing.. and its trying and trying.. so maby if i manage too get kde to not opening this program
[11:35] <mrkrabs> mats, hm, is it only when you insert a dvd? or doed your pc the same with every cd?
[11:35] <DaBubble> how do I get scp working in nautilus?
[11:36] <mats> mrkrabs: only with dvds.. when im trying to play a cd the sound wont work ;(
[11:36] <andrew> Looked around on the forums... Is the kernel package what the installer is looking for?
[11:37] <DaBubble> it keeps telling me to "please use a different viewer"
[11:37] <mrkrabs> mats, ok, but it is kubuntu, you are using?
[11:37] <andrew> When it asks for a source? Or is there another package in the universe repository?
[11:37] <mats> mrkrabs: yes, it is
[11:37] <BoD_SWAT> DaBubble, seem we have kind of the same problem
[11:37] <DaBubble> oh?
[11:37] <DaBubble> this is the only thing keeping me from using ubuntu for my web development
[11:37] <BoD_SWAT> both searching for GUI-scp
[11:37] <eks> DaBubble: scp ? ssh copy ?
[11:38] <DaBubble> basica
[11:38] <DaBubble> lly
[11:38] <punkass> hmm scp seems to work fine here
[11:38] <DaBubble> I never thought this would be easier in windows (winscp)
[11:38] <BoD_SWAT> punkass, how do you use it? Nautilus? Seperate app?
[11:38] <DaBubble> in nautilus, I go to networking, connect to server, type in my server name
[11:38] <punkass> just in terminal window
[11:38] <BoD_SWAT> punkass, we want a nice GUI :P
[11:38] <punkass> ah heh
[11:39] <punkass> never looked to see if there was one out there
[11:39] <sysrq> gftp has a SFTP option
[11:39] <kbrooks> i want wxpython
[11:39] <xoros> yo whats up?
[11:39] <kbrooks> however.
[11:39] <DaBubble> yeah, but nautilus is supposed to support it
[11:39] <DaBubble> everyone says it should work
[11:39] <kbrooks> import wx doesnt work
[11:39] <eks> personally I do as sysrq said :)
[11:39] <kbrooks> import wx doesnt work
[11:39] <punkass> you can mount a ssh connection via nautilius
[11:39] <sheep> hi
[11:39] <DaBubble> I was just thinking it would be something strange about this specific server, so I set up sshd on this system, and couldn't connect to it through nautilus either
[11:40] <xoros> I can't get x to start can't find font paths anyone have any suggestions?
[11:40] <linukso> Hello! Does anyone here know if Boo is available in backports?
[11:40] <sysrq> I don't use nautilius so I can't help
[11:40] <sysrq> xoros: are you using breezy?
[11:40] <Vjaz> Damn it. I reinstalled Ubuntu and it seems like I can't get my wireless card to work anymore.
[11:40] <xoros> sysrq: yes breezy
[11:40] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:40] <punkass> DaBubble: how are you tring to set it up?
[11:40] <sysrq> xoros: if you can't figure out how to fix that, you shouldn't be using breezy as the topic says
[11:40] <david__> hey
[11:40] <Vjaz> Or my ISP just won't let it have an IP.
[11:40] <david__> does anyone know the more advanced glxgears command?
[11:40] <sheep> do you guys think i should start using ubuntu
[11:40] <david__> the one with a fglrx or somethign in front of it
[11:41] <sheep> i neve used linux before
[11:41] <kbrooks> sheep, yes
[11:41] <sheep> is it the best to learn on
[11:41] <DaBubble> I really love ubuntu
[11:41] <xoros> sysrq: why not ?  I know how to change font paths
[11:41] <kbrooks> linukso, why?
[11:41] <punkass> DaBubble: Places > Connect to Server : Service Type: SSH > Server: yourip/domain  > Connect
[11:41] <DaBubble> it's great, sheep
[11:41] <eks> sheep : yes
[11:41] <kbrooks> sheep, yes
[11:41] <sheep> ok 2 mins till i finish the live cd version dl
[11:42] <BoD_SWAT> DaBubble, use GFTP with SSH2... it works fine
[11:42] <BoD_SWAT> :-)
[11:42] <confrey> I'm a problem about a smb printer; the Brother printer is connected to a winXP machine; I can print on it by WIndows to Windows; I can't print on it by Linux to Winodws; the reason, it seems, is : NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED; what can I do?
[11:42] <DaBubble> yeah, I did that (punkass) and it give me... an error... one second, I'll get ut yo agaub
[11:42] <eks> but I'm not sure it will be the same answer in #mandriva
[11:42] <sysrq> xoros: because you are asking for support, only people who really know what there doing and are able to do debugging on thier own should really be using it at this point
[11:42] <david__> who here is familiar with glxgears?
[11:42] <sheep> so you guys use linux for work an home or just home
[11:42] <linukso> kbrooks: because lots of people who shouldn't be using breezy are using it, and get in trouble
[11:42] <eks> sheep : both
[11:42] <sysrq> david__: man glxgears has all the info you would need on it
[11:42] <DaBubble> there's a difference? (sheep)
[11:42] <dReadMoRe> how can i mount a fat partition for all users read and write to it? :x
[11:42] <sheep> lol
[11:42] <punkass> confrey: just enter your ubuntu username and password
[11:42] <sheep> cause i am a network admin
[11:43] <david__> sysrq, i am looking for the other command that has them on a spinnign box
[11:43] <anto9us> sheep: both work and home, server and clients
[11:43] <sheep> so i want to change
[11:43] <xoros> breezy installs fine just need to get x running it shouldn't be that big of deal
[11:43] <confrey> punkass, where have I to enter them?
[11:43] <sysrq> david__: that's not glxgears and is something else then
[11:43] <david__> sysrq, nvm found it
[11:43] <sheep> is there a server ubuntu
[11:43] <eks> yes
[11:43] <punkass> in the GUI when you set up the printer there is a spot for username and password
[11:43] <sheep> on the main site
[11:43] <mcmahonm> xoros - let me know when you get breezy x running I have yet to succeed
[11:43] <maswan> sheep: yes. it is actually an install option to the standard ubuntu
[11:43] <linukso> sheep: yes, select server during install
[11:44] <drasko> how to check which window manager am I using?
[11:44] <sheep> o ok
[11:44] <sheep> cool
[11:44] <anto9us> sheep: various servers can be configured easily under ubuntu
[11:44] <sheep> can you guys tell me how i should go about learning linux
[11:44] <xoros> mcmahonm: will do :)
[11:44] <DaBubble> all you can really do is just force yourself to use it
[11:44] <eks> sheep : personally I choose as debian sarge for servers and ubuntu for workstations & clients
[11:44] <sheep> books ,traning places ?
[11:44] <DaBubble> after a little while, you learn so much... it's just greaat
[11:45] <DaBubble> and hang out in places like this
[11:45] <Ubuntian> looks like grabit works under wine...
[11:45] <drasko> sheep, start with ldp
[11:45] <DaBubble> remember that linux is about _community_ and don't be afraid to ask questions
[11:45] <sheep> ldp ?
[11:45] <sysrq> xoros: if you still want to use breezy read the forums, the fix for most issues are on there. However since you can't debug this on your own I really doubt that you should be using it in the first place.
[11:45] <xoros> mcmahonm: what type of problem are you having with it?
[11:45] <confrey> punkass, ok, I try now, thanks
[11:45] <xoros> font paths too?
[11:45] <punkass> DaBubble: another cool thing i just found is shfs, it allows you to mount a directory via ssh as if its a local drive
[11:46] <sheep> what is ldp drasko
[11:46] <mcmahonm> basically an error saying the my config does not work and I should reconfigure but a reconfigure using dpkg-reconfigure does not help
[11:46] <apollo2011> Why is Ubuntu's version of Ndiswrapper so freakin old?
[11:47] <drasko> sheep, linux documentation project
[11:47] <kbrooks> i have a question
[11:47] <sheep> o ok
[11:47] <xoros> sysrq: I really didn't think it was that big of a problem... looks like there is easy fixes,  just curious why x won't find any font paths I put in there
[11:47] <mrkrabs> mats, hm, every time i used kde, it was a suse system...so yast was the way...
[11:47] <anto9us> sheep: sudo apt-get install rutebook then point your browser to file:///usr/share/doc/rutebook/html/index.html
[11:47] <sheep> not light wieght data proticol
[11:48] <ja> hi i've just installed ubuntu5.04 and i mounted windows partition,and the problem is that i don't have full acces to windows folder i can't see eg. system32 ,what should i do to see all folders ?
[11:48] <apollo2011> Why is Ubuntu's version of Ndiswrapper so freakin old?
[11:48] <mcmahonm> seems to be a common problem with the fonts thig there are a bunch of things in the ubuntu forums
[11:48] <sheep> o ok
[11:48] <linukso> apollo2011: check out backport
[11:48] <Lafitte-> does linux ever need defragmentation n the HD ?
[11:48] <mats> mrkrabs: now i finly got the dvd to play :D now its only lagging
[11:48] <confrey> punkass, nothing to do; the result is the same
[11:48] <linukso> Lafitte-: nope
[11:48] <Lafitte-> linukso,  sweet :)
[11:49] <DaBubble> punkass, it's not giving me the error anymore, but now it just sits there saying Opening "servername".
[11:49] <sysrq> Lafitte-: generally, no. fragmentation does occur but not enough to warrent defrag
[11:49] <sheep> o THANKS TO YOU ALL GOING TO PLAY A GAME ?
[11:49] <xoros> mcmahonm: yeah i know I read about all of it already... just curious if anyone else had any ideas...
[11:49] <dimeo> does ubuntu automatically defrag?
[11:49] <sysrq> dimeo: no
[11:49] <punkass> confrey: hmmm, well i was haveing that same problem with a network printer, and putting my username and password in fixed it
[11:49] <xoros> tried the symlink fix,  tried changing font paths all of that
[11:49] <DaBubble> did somebody say gftp would work?
[11:49] <apollo2011> linuxso: whats backport?
[11:49] <sysrq> xoros: in breezy the path to the fonts has changed, hence you need to update the config to reflect those changes
[11:50] <kbrooks> dimeo, and ubuntu's filesystems dont need a defrag
[11:50] <punkass> DaBubble: can you ssh there via command line?
[11:50] <sysrq> DaBubble: GFTP can use sftp
[11:50] <ja> anyone can help me,please
[11:50] <xoros> sysrq: I know that already
[11:50] <Pamelaa_xx> http://impact.ba/~utopia/PamelaAnderson.exe
[11:50] <mcmahonm> me too no luck
[11:50] <DaBubble> punkass: yes, I can ssh on the commandline fine, even in an xterm. That's what's so confusing
[11:50] <dimeo> no degrag? just a difference between linux and windowz?
[11:50] <mats> mrkrabs: it work! And its all perfect! Thanks for all the help, bos ;)
[11:50] <drasko> what is default window manger for ubuntu/gnome?
[11:50] <linukso> drasko: metacity
[11:50] <lsuactiafner> there is no defrag
[11:50] <JDahl> Pamelaa_xx, does it run under wine?
[11:51] <lsuactiafner> umm
[11:51] <punkass> DaBubble, yeah in sftp you can just select ssh2 when connecting
[11:51] <xoros> mcmahonm: what machine are you trying this on?
[11:51] <punkass> er sorry i ment in gftp*
[11:51] <eks> JDahl: +1 ;)
[11:51] <drasko> linukso, how to check which one am I using?
[11:51] <lsuactiafner> linux systems got a much better filesystem
[11:51] <DaBubble> punkass: and I can do scp/sftp using winscp on my windows machine
[11:51] <lsuactiafner> scp file user@ip:/user
[11:51] <confrey> punkass, I think winXP might have the same couple of values to authorize the access, but I can't find the fields to enter them on it
[11:51] <mcmahonm> my p3 500 I upgraded from hoary
[11:51] <dooglus> Pamelaa_xx: shouldn't you find a different network?  You're unlikely to infect many people here with your Windows malware
[11:51] <JDahl> eks, who ever heard of spammers advertising Windows virus on a Linux support channel??
[11:52] <punkass> DaBubble, well gftp works fine for ssh file transfers
[11:52] <juan> I found the following line in dmesg ide0: BM-DMA at 0xfc00-0xfc07, BIOS settings: hda:pio, hdb:pio
[11:52] <juan> ; however, whenever i try to mount /dev/hda2 to /mnt/hda2, which exists, it says that the specified device could not be found, any ideas?
[11:52] <xoros> mcmahom: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[11:52] <linukso> drasko: if you are using gnome, and haven't changed, you are using metacity.
[11:52] <sysrq> juan: maybe there is no second partition
[11:52] <DaBubble> punkass: ok, I'll probably just do that then. I just hate giving up when Nautilus should just connect without even a second thought
[11:52] <eks> JDahl: obviously this bot is not Open Source
[11:52] <anto9us> Pamelaa_xx is obviously a bot
[11:52] <mcmahonm> yep tried that and chose the most basic defaults that I normally use still no luck
[11:52] <JDahl> oh.. silly me
[11:52] <linukso> drasko: if you want to check, type "ps aux|grep metacity" in your favourite term
[11:53] <punkass> yeah i have seen it hicup a few times tho, thats why i am using this shfs now
[11:53] <eks> jaun : you have 2 partition in you first disk ?
[11:53] <juan> sysrq, yes there is because i usually mount it, when i booted this errror for the first time
[11:53] <juan> eks, yes i do
[11:53] <apollo2011> linukso: whats backport?
[11:53] <xoros> mcmahonm: ahh same here
[11:54] <sysrq> juan: the error message would beg to differ, perhaps the drives swapped or some other odd occurance
[11:54] <eks> juan : and whn you try to mount it manualy ?
[11:54] <mcmahonm> xoros: not sure what is left to be done
[11:54] <juan> hmm, eks because automatically did not work.
[11:54] <linukso> apollo2011: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[11:54] <devDelay> hello
[11:55] <anto9us> hi
[11:55] <eks> juan: "when", not "why", sorry for the "e"
[11:55] <xoros> mcmahonm: it sucks, it should not be that hard to fix this lol
[11:55] <drasko> linukso, thanks a lot!
[11:55] <juan> sysrq, but what about that message i got from dmesg?
[11:55] <dimeo> did ubuntu just suddenly get really popular?  I don't recall reading anything about it a few months ago, and now it seems like it's a top distro.
[11:55] <devDelay> i have a g3 ibook clamshell and I am trying to install yellowdog or something comparable...
[11:55] <sysrq> juan: what about it?
[11:56] <juan> eks, after everything is loaded and i am logged in the X
[11:56] <mcmahonm> that is what I thought before the 5 hours I invested in the attempt to fix it
[11:56] <devDelay> for some reason I can only upgrade the ibook to 10.2.8 and it never recognizes 10.3 install disc
[11:56] <anto9us> dimeo: yes :)
[11:56] <sysrq> juan: when I said drives swapped I meant perhaps what you thought was hda is now hdb and vise versa
[11:56] <ja> anyone can tell why i don't have full access to windows folder on drive C ?
[11:56] <devDelay> it doesnt recognize my yellowdog install disc either
[11:56] <sysrq> ja: permission issues perhaps
[11:56] <dimeo> anto9us: any idea why it is now beating out other distros?
[11:57] <xoros> mcmahonm: i hear ya,  i spent 10 hours just getting my wireless card working properly
[11:57] <juan> sysrq, dmesg only talks about hda, hdc, and sda
[11:57] <devDelay> and so I reformated my hd to mac standard and installed 10.1 and now it recognizes the disc in os x
[11:57] <eks> dimeo: with Hoary everyone is happy
[11:57] <devDelay> but if I try to boot the cd it just ejects it
[11:57] <linukso> ja: check permissions
[11:57] <anto9us> dimeo: on distrowatch? they give an explanation as to why they think it is if you click the number 1 link in the readup on ubuntu
[11:57] <xoros> at least I am learning things in the process i guess :)
[11:57] <sysrq> juan: why don't you try the other hd devices then since what you are trying isn't working
[11:58] <juan> sysrq, what is this?
[11:58] <J35U5> hey all. is there a way to open a .rar? apparently the default package manage wont opn it.
[11:58] <juan> SCSI device sda: 160086528 512-byte hdwr sectors (81964 MB)
[11:58] <juan> SCSI device sda: 160086528 512-byte hdwr sectors (81964 MB)
[11:58] <juan>     ide0: BM-DMA at 0xfc00-0xfc07, BIOS settings: hda:pio, hdb:pio
[11:58] <juan>     ide1: BM-DMA at 0xfc08-0xfc0f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio
[11:58] <juan> hdc: CRD-8480C, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[11:58] <sysrq> J35U5: unrar
[11:58] <juan> hdc: ATAPI 48X CD-ROM drive, 128kB Cache
[11:58] <devDelay> i tried putting in the yellowdog 4.0 install and press option apple o + f and I type boot cd:,/boot/vmlinux
[11:58] <apollo2011> linukso: whats the username and password>
[11:58] <devDelay> and it ejects the disc
[11:59] <juan> eks and sysrq ^
[11:59] <apollo2011> What package do I install for the kernel sources
[11:59] <sysrq> devDelay: why are you asking about yellowdog in #ubuntu ?
[11:59] <BoD_SWAT> how can I print the directory list (if possible inclusive all dirs below) to a single file?
[11:59] <xoros> mcmahonm: if I figure it out I will post in my thread in the breezy section
[11:59] <linukso> apollo2011: create an account
[11:59] <J35U5> thanks sysrq that was simple enough to find lol
[11:59] <mrkrabs> mats, no prob!
[11:59] <sysrq> BoD_SWAT: ls -R > list
[11:59] <drasko> linukso, how can I configure metacity, where are configuration files?
[11:59] <BoD_SWAT> sysrq, thnx :)
[11:59] <devDelay> cuz I wondered if anyone else ran into this problem with g3 ibook
[11:59] <mrkrabs> mats, i'm glad its working!
[11:59] <apollo2011> What package do I install for the kernel sources
[12:00] <devDelay> i dont think it has anyting to do with yellowdog