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dreumah	how do i set up a network with windows workstations?	12:01
dreumah	my friends are to ignorant to change	12:02
anna	dreumah: like any other network?	12:07
bobbyd	how do I install a minimal server? the installer seems to just install a standard distro	12:08
anna	press f1 when you boot the cd	12:08
bobbyd	ahh cool	12:08
anna	you should see something there	12:08
bobbyd	thanks	12:08
dreumah	i am wanting to share folder with windows computers, and vice versa	12:08
dreumah	how do i do that with kubuntu?	12:09
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anna	well, do you have DHCP there?	12:09
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dreumah	there?	12:10
anna	well, do you want to create a network, or connect to a network	12:10
tvakah	anyone have a ksvn deb for kubuntu?	12:11
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dreumah	connect	12:12
dreumah	i am already in the internet through the network i just want to see the windows shares	12:12
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anna	Ah... can you try to enter smb:// in konqueror	12:13
anna	no wait, it is remote://	12:14
uniq	smb:/ with one /	12:14
dreumah	alright	12:14
anna	When you launch konqueror, it shows a screen that goes to network as well	12:14
anna	There is remote:/	12:15
dreumah	are all the repos working?	12:16
dreumah	i know now how to see the shares, thanks	12:16
uniq	gnite.	12:16
anna	what repos do you mean?	12:16
dreumah	because i am trying to get the a game and i cant get one of the dependecies	12:16
anna	can you say which?	12:16
kalenedrael	apollo2011, get the kernel-headers package	12:16
dreumah	nevermind its working now	12:17
dreumah	strange	12:17
error403	damn.... can anybody remember where the fix for the kdelibs-data problem is?	12:17
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error403	anybody?	12:18
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error403	hello?	12:24
error403	please?	12:24
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nmorse	hang on	12:25
bobbyd	how do i get flash to work in konqueror?	12:25
error403	lol	12:25
error403	sorry	12:25
nmorse	all right, error403, try ftp://www.betterthanducttape.com/kdelibs-debug.sh	12:30
nmorse	Login anonymously	12:30
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nmorse	bobbyd: if you install the mozilla flash plugin, a simple plugin scan from the Configure Plugins screen in Konq's preferences will find it	12:31
CellarDoor	Is anyone excited about Plasma ?	12:31
nmorse	Plasma?	12:31
CellarDoor	cause I am :D	12:31
CellarDoor	yah	12:31
nmorse	Like, what is it?	12:32
error403	thanks nmorse!	12:32
CellarDoor	Exlpanation is here: http://plasma.bddf.ca/cms/1029	12:32
CellarDoor	a single coherent application for the desktop and panels called Plasma	12:33
error403	nmorse, cant connect....	12:33
nmorse	don't try passive ftp	12:33
error403	hmm	12:33
error403	well, im using a browser...	12:34
nmorse	For some reason, my pure-ftpd won't do passive ftp'	12:34
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nmorse	Try using wget maybe	12:34
error403	still not working	12:35
error403	using wget	12:35
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nmorse	hmm	12:36
error403	DCC?	12:36
CellarDoor	By offering the same applets and icons for both the desktop and the panel, including seamless drag and drop between them, Plasma will break the barrier between the these two desktop elements. If the user wants to move the clock from a panel to the desktop, they should be able to. Anything that works on the desktop should work the same on the panels, and vice versa.	12:36
apollo2011	What packages do I install for the kernel sources?	12:37
apollo2011	Why is the latest kernel package different than the latest kernel source package?	12:37
nmorse	Because Debian Sid is what Ubuntu is based on and they actually take a look at security issues in each kernel before releasing it (or so I hear)	12:37
CellarDoor	More than ever before, people are demanding gorgeous interfaces built on sophisticated graphic design. Using the new graphics capabilities available with KDE4, Plasma will look dead sexy. If you've seen SuperKaramba widgets, then you've seen the beginning of what is possible.	12:38
CellarDoor	:D	12:38
nmorse	I read the page, and I'm kind of excited about the Superkaramba devel working on it	12:38
CellarDoor	yeha	12:39
CellarDoor	:D	12:39
nmorse	Now, if only they'll keep Python as a possible language for this kind of devel work	12:39
nmorse	Makes it easier for ordianary users to do so	12:39
CellarDoor	I read something about Python scripting being in all this	12:39
nmorse	That's good	12:39
CellarDoor	someone wanting Pearl also	12:39
nmorse	Though it looked to me to be primarily C++ based, which is pretty good for it	12:39
nmorse	The idea of the fuzzy clock on the desktop appeals to me for some undefinable reason	12:40
CellarDoor	hehe	12:40
CellarDoor	screenshots... I wan't screenshots	12:40
CellarDoor	:P	12:41
error403	nmorse, any chance of sending it via DCC for me?	12:42
error403	or emailing to alan.briolat@gmail.com	12:42
error403	please?	12:42
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nmorse	Can't send via DCC, thanks to my firewall	12:42
error403	lol	12:42
nmorse	I'll see about emailing it	12:42
error403	email?	12:42
Tm_T	haha	12:42
error403	thanks	12:42
error403	hey Tm_T	12:42
error403	i may be about to drop Windoze forever!	12:43
error403	w00t	12:43
Tm_T	now I'm messing up one kid's ubuntu =)	12:43
Tm_T	hullo error403	12:43
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error403	am i right in sayign that the only thing that requires a FULL reboot is a kernel upgrade?	12:44
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nmorse	Sometimes that doesn't	12:44
error403	cool	12:44
error403	lol	12:44
_freak	hi all.	12:44
nmorse	Hello	12:44
error403	nmorse, you sent it?	12:46
_freak	I came here for help, but I just may have found the solution on the net, so, looks like I'm here for the chat. :)	12:46
joel	hi. I installed kubuntu-desktop but I can't load kde instead of gnome. the faq doesn't help any.	12:46
error403	AHA	12:46
error403	THANKYOU nmorse	12:46
error403	i love you!	12:46
error403	i want to have your babies!	12:46
error403	well, anyway	12:46
error403	thanks	12:46
nmorse	joel, try changing the session settings in GDM	12:47
nmorse	error403: you're welcome	12:47
joel	how do i do that, nmorse?	12:47
Tm_T	error403: haha	12:47
Tm_T	joel: there is dropdown menu "session type"	12:48
nmorse	When it comes up to the Ubuntu screen you log in from, there will be a little clicky labeled Session Type	12:48
_freak	newbie here, but joel, can't you pick that in grub if you hit esc in the first few seconds?	12:48
nmorse	Set it to KDE	12:48
nmorse	No, _freak	12:48
Tm_T	haha	12:48
_freak	or you can do it the easy way.	12:48
_freak	I'll shut up now. sorry.	12:48
_freak	:)	12:48
nmorse	Grub's a lovely bootloader but worthless when it comes to Display Managers	12:48
nmorse	GRUB's a worthless bootloader if you ask me, too	12:49
error403	hmmm, a strange message...	12:49
error403	ever notice how sometimes apt-get pauses on "0% Working" ?	12:49
joel	can i change the default display manager from the login screen, or do i have to change it every time?	12:49
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nmorse	No, it changes it permanently for you	12:50
nmorse	If you let it	12:50
error403	switchdesk kde isnt it?	12:50
nmorse	Then you can change it back	12:50
nmorse	I do it regulary when I feel I need a break from KDE	12:50
nmorse	Sometimes I go to e16, other times to XFCE4	12:50
nmorse	Went to ion once, possibly the worst WM ever for OpenGL stuff	12:51
joel	thanks for your help. i'll be back if i can't get it to work.	12:51
nmorse	I'm talking 15 FPS in glxgears	12:51
nmorse	Good luck, joel	12:51
error403	nmorse, you tried Cedega before?	12:51
nmorse	No, won't play Rome: Total War so I'm not interested	12:52
error403	lol	12:52
nmorse	dx9wine won't either	12:52
error403	:O	12:52
error403	will anything?	12:52
nmorse	Nope, it's why Win2k is still being dual-booted to on my desktop	12:53
nmorse	XP is the cruddiest Windows yet though	12:53
error403	nmorse, would there be ANY way to migrate an ENTIRE Kubuntu installation between drives?	12:53
nmorse	Looks like a kid with a crayon	12:53
nmorse	dd	12:53
error403	coz i dont wanna customise again...	12:53
nmorse	dd	12:53
error403	dd?	12:53
nmorse	dd if=/dev/xxx of=/dev/xxy	12:53
nmorse	man dd	12:53
error403	ok	12:53
error403	will do	12:53
error403	hmm	12:55
error403	i dont understand	12:55
error403	sorry...	12:55
nmorse	Just copy the disk completely	12:55
error403	ok	12:55
nmorse	Otherwise, tar up the whole Kubuntu install	12:55
nmorse	Then boot into a rescue disk	12:55
nmorse	And untar it on a prepared partition	12:55
error403	will it matter that i will be moving from /dev/hda1 to /dev/sda1 ?	12:55
nmorse	Probably not	12:55
error403	wont that screw stuff up?	12:55
error403	hmmm	12:55
nmorse	Oh, who knows	12:55
error403	lol	12:56
nmorse	Sometimes it might, sometimes it works flawlessly	12:56
error403	hmmm	12:56
nmorse	And it's always a lot of fun	12:56
nmorse	C'mon, I need some entertainment	12:56
error403	well, if i find Cedega and crossover office a good enough replacement for windoze, im ditching MicroShit	12:56
nmorse	Good plan	12:56
nmorse	I hate MS Winblows	12:57
error403	well, its only games i stay for	12:57
nmorse	Same here	12:57
nmorse	What games do you play?	12:57
error403	Linux on a 1280x1024 res does have such bad screen fonts	12:57
error403	compared to smaller res	12:57
error403	and i can customise better	12:57
error403	umm, FPS mostly	12:57
error403	lol	12:57
error403	nmorse, you using Taskbar v2?	12:57
error403	transparent, fully	12:57
nmorse	Eh?	12:57
error403	:D	12:58
error403	and does window previews when you roll over them	12:58
nmorse	For KDE?	12:58
error403	yes	12:58
error403	so easy to installl	12:58
error403	the usual ./configure, make, make install routine	12:58
nmorse	I'll have to look at it	12:59
nmorse	I already have the -dev debs installed thanks to kdevelop3	12:59
error403	and then remove the taskbar from the panel, and add taskbar v2	12:59
error403	the what?	12:59
error403	lol	12:59
error403	hmmm	01:00
nmorse	the kdelibs-dev package installed, etc.	01:00
error403	i see	01:00
nmorse	where did you find Taskbar v2?	01:00
error403	ummm	01:01
error403	a friend told me about it	01:01
error403	google it	01:01
error403	you will find it on some small personal site	01:01
error403	!google taskbar v2	01:01
error403	hmm	01:01
error403	no bots	01:01
error403	:(	01:01
nmorse	wow, does that actually invoke a google searching bot in some chat rooms?	01:02
error403	yes, some people run a Googlebot	01:02
error403	heh	01:02
error403	<error403> !google Life	01:03
error403	<Daniel> error403 Your Results Can Be Found At: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Life&meta=	01:03
error403	heh	01:03
error403	see?	01:03
error403	another server i am on...	01:03
nmorse	Now, if I can figure out what x <3 meant, I will be able to begin mastering IRC	01:03
error403	<3 is a heart...	01:03
Tm_T	yup	01:04
nmorse	I see	01:04
error403	lol	01:04
error403	anyway	01:04
nmorse	I'm downloading it right now	01:05
error403	is there any way to get XChat to display nicks in the <nick> format?	01:05
error403	i love FreeNode....	01:06
error403	/join #<subject> always works!	01:06
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nmorse	sometimes it works	01:07
nmorse	maybe even most of the time	01:07
kalenedrael	it works for anything linux	01:07
nmorse	You're right, X-Chat doesn't display them that way	01:07
nmorse	No, Krita and KOffice both lack their own #channel	01:07
nmorse	Krita being a part of KOffice it's understandable	01:07
nmorse	Wait, I may be wrong on the KOffice one	01:08
nmorse	I am	01:08
nmorse	crap, there really is a #subject for everything	01:09
nmorse	I really prefer my lovely obscure Jabber	01:10
nmorse	I hope Google comes out with a Jabber IM service, maybe called GIM (pronounced Jim)	01:10
nmorse	Then, I can rig it up so anytime a buddy logs out, it says "He's dead, Jim"	01:11
_freak	lol	01:11
error403	...	01:13
error403	nmorse, you need help	01:13
error403	really	01:13
error403	you do	01:13
error403	:P	01:13
nmorse	Oh probably, I've spent 8 1/2 years in Rural Oklahoma	01:13
nmorse	And that was a dadgum apostrophe cause he dadgum left	01:13
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nmorse	I got taskbar v2 installed	01:14
nmorse	It's nice	01:14
error403	cool	01:14
nmorse	I like the little previews	01:14
nmorse	Does it use the XDamage extension?	01:14
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error403	XDamage?	01:18
error403	i wouldnt know	01:18
error403	i just use the thing!	01:18
error403	lol	01:18
nmorse	It would be the first KDE use of XDamage I've seen yet	01:19
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error403	lol	01:19
nmorse	Now, if only XComposite worked better	01:19
nmorse	There has got to be a way to get Gaim upgraded to 1.3.0	01:24
nmorse	It was pushed to that due to security updates	01:24
nmorse	Shouldn't security.ubuntu.com have it updated then?	01:24
digby	did you look in backports for it?	01:24
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dreumah	is xchat better than konversation?	01:24
dreumah	does it have more plugins?	01:24
Firetech	dreumah: the bets is KVIrc...	01:25
Firetech	*best	01:25
error403	kvirc?	01:25
error403	on the apt-get repos?	01:25
Firetech	the one in apt is buggy	01:25
dreumah	kvirc, and why is that?	01:26
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Firetech	The apt-get one can't handle international characters	01:26
Firetech	dreumah: www.kvirc.net	01:26
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Firetech	It has an easy scripting language	01:26
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error403	anybody ever amazed at the lack of realism in vPenis parts of sysinfo scripts?	01:27
Firetech	there is a sarge-deb on kvirc.net, but that one has silly dependencies...	01:27
nmorse	for some reason I can't seem to get backports repo to work	01:27
digby	how do you have it listed in sources.list?	01:28
Tm_T	error403: not really	01:28
nmorse	deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-backports-staging main universe multiverse restricted	01:28
Firetech	nmorse: I use "deb http://ftp2.caliu.info/backports hoary-...", and it works fine	01:28
Tm_T	error403: it's a joke ;---P	01:29
Firetech	nmorse: the /backports is not recommended to use	01:29
Tm_T	error403: and you can edit it if you like	01:29
digby	the ubuntuforums backport is slow and often unreliable	01:29
digby	they recommend using the mirrors	01:29
Firetech	It always breaks.	01:29
_freak	when I entered, you guys were talking about rebooting without completely rebooting? How would I go about that?	01:29
digby	deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted	01:29
Firetech	the new one is /ubp	01:29
Firetech	but use the mirrors	01:29
error403	Tm_T, i know	01:29
digby	deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted	01:29
digby	are the two I use	01:30
Firetech	I use staging too,on the caliu mirror	01:30
nmorse	Bah, who cares if backports breaks things	01:30
nmorse	_freak: I don't think it can be done on Ubuntu thanks to the use of GRUB	01:31
Firetech	nmorse: it doesn't break things, the repository breaks.	01:31
_freak	:) ok. bbiaf, then.	01:31
nmorse	Firetech: I used your backports mirror and gaim is still 1.1.4 in that	01:32
nmorse	and gaim.sf.net provides no debian binaries	01:32
Firetech	the mirrors have a 5 hour update schedule	01:32
nmorse	and of course, no debian folder and files for dpkg compiling come in the source	01:32
digby	you could always get the rpm and use alien	01:32
nmorse	Dependency hell is all I have to say, digby	01:32
digby	oh, I know	01:32
digby	and I like the red for that	01:33
digby	very appropriate	01:33
nmorse	Gaim is three versions behind in Ubuntu	01:33
nmorse	and there have been important fixes in some of those	01:33
digby	do you get sound in gaim?	01:33
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nmorse	You get jabber fixes	01:34
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nmorse	I'm tempted to uninstall gaim's deb and just compile from source	01:34
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nmorse	Then I remember why I quit using Gentoo	01:34
digby	lol	01:34
kalenedrael	haha	01:35
kalenedrael	www.funroll-loops.org	01:35
nmorse	funrool-loops.org always gets a laugh	01:35
digby	nmorse, do you get any sounds from gaim?	01:35
nmorse	I disabled them all personally	01:36
nmorse	But I got them before	01:36
digby	hm	01:36
digby	I get nothing and I haven't figured out why	01:36
nmorse	Did you set the output to arts?	01:36
digby	I tried that at one point	01:36
nmorse	Odd	01:36
digby	I think it's on auto at the moment	01:36
nmorse	You get sound in other arts apps?	01:36
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digby	help me out - what else uses arts?	01:37
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Furic	is there any way to get the msdos/win style keyoard behavour of numpad while alt is held, allowing input of ascii codes?	01:37
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nmorse	almost all KDE apps use arts	01:38
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nmorse	Is that how you input ASCII codes on Windows?	01:38
digby	ok... well, I get KDE system sounds always, and amaroK always plays perfectly	01:39
nmorse	My friends used to use that to input spaces in game character screen names	01:39
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_Church_of_FoamY	wow i gave my brother in law the chance to use my linux box and he liked it ^_^	01:39
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digby	zsnes and cedega are sporatic w/ no discenable pattern	01:39
dreumah	there is no freenode on kvirc	01:39
digby	how could anyone not like linux? :-)	01:40
_Church_of_FoamY	i don't know	01:40
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_Church_of_FoamY	i tryed it and i'm hooked	01:40
_Church_of_FoamY	^_^	01:40
Furic	well, if you were bill gates or steve jobs	01:40
nmorse	Try FreeBSD while you're at it	01:40
nmorse	Steve Jobs and his RDF	01:40
Furic	i could understand disliking it	01:40
nmorse	I hope they don't seriously switch to Intel chips in Macs	01:40
Furic	They wont	01:41
_Church_of_FoamY	they don't like it becuase it threatins his income	01:41
digby	people have been bringing that up every so often for years...	01:41
_Church_of_FoamY	dosen't motorolla make the cpu's in macs?	01:41
nmorse	C\|Net expects them to make that announcement Monday	01:41
digby	they used to	01:41
nmorse	No, IBM makes them	01:41
Furic	IBM does	01:41
digby	IBM makes the G5s	01:41
digby	motorolla made G4 and below	01:41
_Church_of_FoamY	they should have stuck with motorolla	01:41
nmorse	Motorola made G3, G4, and 604e	01:41
nmorse	and M68k	01:41
nmorse	Motorola's chip division is now known as Freescale	01:42
_Church_of_FoamY	i herd a roomer that microsoft tryed to buy linux	01:42
_Church_of_FoamY	is it true?	01:42
digby	lol	01:42
digby	not even possible	01:42
Furic	buy, from who?!	01:42
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_Church_of_FoamY	thats what i thought	01:42
_Church_of_FoamY	but hey in this day and age ya never know	01:42
Furic	nobody owns linux in the first place, it cant be sold	01:43
digby	they could buy the trademark, but the code is owned by the community	01:43
_freak	rehi's	01:43
Consty	Church: They were thinking about buying Redhat Linux	01:43
nmorse	Can't buy the trademard	01:43
Furic	so we would end up calling it linex or something	01:43
nmorse	trademark licensed under GPL, just like the popular image of Tux	01:43
digby	ah	01:43
digby	didn't know that	01:43
digby	well, even so	01:43
digby	Linus still owns the trademark	01:44
digby	and could sell it	01:44
_Church_of_FoamY	i read in a computer magaze that microsoft has some sorta deal for businneses that use linux	01:44
Furic	so they could buy it, but they wouldn't be able to change the licencing	01:44
_Church_of_FoamY	to switch to microsoft	01:44
Consty	You've got to be kidding me. Digby? Mike?	01:44
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_Church_of_FoamY	damn	01:44
digby	trademarks could be bought and sold just like any other piece of intellectual property	01:44
digby	I'd bet on it never happening	01:44
nmorse	Oh, probably, or licensed	01:45
nmorse	But once put under a license, you can't stop it anymore	01:45
Furic	if you look most linux related sites have fine print with "Linux is a registerd trademark of Linus..." on em	01:45
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nmorse	That's the fun part of viral licensing schemes	01:45
_Church_of_FoamY	torvald?	01:45
Tm_T	Furic: Linus Torvalds	01:45
_Church_of_FoamY	i was close	01:45
_Church_of_FoamY	lol	01:45
Consty	It wouldn't matter, Linus doesn't even have control of Linux anymore. If he changed the licensing for the Linux kernel someone would fork the previous release and we'd still have a free kernel.	01:45
Tm_T	yeah	01:45
digby	haha	01:45
_Church_of_FoamY	lol	01:46
_Church_of_FoamY	i think it's awsome that he made this though	01:46
Tm_T	Consty: true	01:46
Furic	he didn't make it, he made a tiny bit of it	01:46
digby	he started it... not really fair to everyone else that's worked on it to say that he made it	01:46
_Church_of_FoamY	and the stability is out of this world	01:46
Consty	digby, you're name maike?	01:46
Tm_T	Consty: but the trademark is the keypoint in this converstion	01:46
Consty	your*	01:46
digby	consty, no	01:46
_Church_of_FoamY	ok i misstated that lol	01:46
_Church_of_FoamY	even if he did do just the basics it's still awsome	01:47
Tm_T	yes, Linus owns the trademark, and he can sell it	01:47
Tm_T	but I don't think he ever whould, if he don't know it'll remain free	01:47
_Church_of_FoamY	i just can't beleve that 1000's of people all over the world made it and it runs so good	01:47
Consty	Dang, I know a Mike Digby that lives in Florida and I saw you had road runner as your isp. They're the most popular broadband isp there, so I thought.	01:47
Consty	Guess not. :P	01:47
digby	nope	01:47
digby	just a name a friend and I made up to get a Kroger card... :)	01:48
Consty	So whats this I hear about Kubuntu having some issues with Firefox? Anyone heard of it?	01:49
_Church_of_FoamY	nope	01:49
Furic	"I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones." - Linus	01:49
_Church_of_FoamY	i haven't had one problem with this os or any of it's programs	01:49
digby	oh, I've had problems, but I enjoy the tinkering	01:50
Consty	Read that it hangs during java/flash installation and during initial loading.	01:50
error403	nmorse, you still there?	01:50
Consty	Taking forever to download the dvd iso of kubuntu... bleh	01:50
_freak	holysmokes... kopete just got my old buddylist? When I had to reinstall AIM itself, it didn't get my old buddy list. Very impressed.	01:50
digby	there is a dvd iso of kubuntu???	01:51
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Consty	How is kopete anyway? Is it as nice as gaim?	01:51
_Church_of_FoamY	yea you'll be impressed by a lot	01:51
_freak	just opened it for the first time just now.	01:51
_freak	and I've never used gaim.	01:51
digby	I like the gaim interface better... but only a little	01:51
_Church_of_FoamY	i am very impressed because "it just works" ^_^	01:51
_Church_of_FoamY	i use kopete	01:51
_freak	just a week into this, and I've spent that getting wireless going, video better, and trying to get sound. :)	01:52
nmorse	Yeah, i'm here	01:52
Consty	digby: Yeah I'm downloading the dvd iso that has the live cd and install cd in one.	01:52
_Church_of_FoamY	yea the first few weeks i figure are going towards tweaking your box to your lkes	01:52
_freak	lol, yeah foamy.	01:52
Consty	digby: So you can use the cd to boot live cd or install it if you want. Pretty nice.	01:52
nmorse	I don't like Kopete's interface	01:52
digby	cool	01:52
_Church_of_FoamY	i'm still tweaking mine lol	01:52
_Church_of_FoamY	niether do i in some respects but to me it's easyer than gaim	01:53
Consty	have to download using bt though	01:53
nmorse	I shouldn't have to right-click on little lightbulb icon to access normal jabber features like joining chat rooms	01:53
Consty	Anyone know of the nvidia driver set is included with kubuntu?	01:53
_freak	Here's a stupid newbie question. Uh, what's a .patch file?	01:53
nmorse	It allows you to apply a patch	01:53
_Church_of_FoamY	sudo apt-get install invidia-glx	01:53
nmorse	Using the patch command no less	01:53
error403	nmorse,	01:53
nmorse	Sometimes I think the NIX guys made stuff repetitive	01:54
nmorse	and redundant	01:54
nmorse	for a higher purpose	01:54
_Church_of_FoamY	and sudo nvidia-glx-config enable	01:54
nmorse	yeah, error403?	01:54
error403	you want my config file to make XChat put the <nick> format in?	01:54
Consty	Never used apt before, I've mostly used distros like Slackware that dont really include very good package management systems	01:55
Tm_T	apt <3	01:55
error403	lol	01:55
_Church_of_FoamY	well then your prepaird for a treat	01:55
_freak	yeah, apt rocks...	01:55
error403	apt > all	01:55
_Church_of_FoamY	i know it's awsome	01:55
Consty	I used ports though in crux and freebsd	01:55
Consty	I heard its a lot like that.	01:55
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_Church_of_FoamY	some one recommended a linux distro to me earlyer what was it?	01:56
_Church_of_FoamY	freeBSD?	01:56
nmorse	FreeBSD is not a Linux distro	01:56
digby	BSD is not linux	01:56
digby	haha	01:57
_Church_of_FoamY	oh ok	01:57
Consty	And I'll be honest with you, this is pretty much the "first" linux community that hasn't been a bunch of arrogant people that seem to think they know it all and have almost no intentions of helping someone else who knows less.	01:57
Consty	So really impressed by that.	01:57
nmorse	No, error403, I mostly use Konversation these days	01:57
_Church_of_FoamY	than what was the os that was recommended	01:57
error403	lol	01:57
error403	ok	01:57
_Church_of_FoamY	i use it to i like the way it "feels"	01:57
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Consty	SkyOS looks really cool. www.skyos.org	01:58
Consty	Might want to try that.	01:58
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nmorse	debian-floppies is the worst installer ever	01:58
Tm_T	no	01:58
Tm_T	Debian installer <3	01:58
_Church_of_FoamY	wow is it neat lookin	01:59
nmorse	SkyOS does look neat, but the lack of hardware support deters me	01:59
Consty	Yeah, its still early.	01:59
nmorse	Tm_T, not debian-installer, which I like, but the woody installer	01:59
Consty	It's not based off any previous kernels though from what I understand. Totally new.. which means a totally new set of vulnerabilities	01:59
Consty	When you do the install for kubuntu is there any option to disable the graphical login during install?	02:00
_Church_of_FoamY	someone told me about reactos today	02:00
Tm_T	nmorse: it was just great	02:00
Consty	I can do it manually, just curious if you can do it or not.	02:00
nmorse	based off wine, right, Church?	02:00
_Church_of_FoamY	it dosen't do much	02:00
_Church_of_FoamY	not that i know of	02:00
Tm_T	nmorse: way too much choices though ;p	02:00
nmorse	No, it definitely wasn't Tm_T	02:00
nmorse	I remember the first time I used dselect	02:00
_Church_of_FoamY	it dosen't even have usb support yet	02:01
nmorse	I was scared witless	02:01
Tm_T	haha	02:01
_Church_of_FoamY	but is supposidly compatable with windows	02:01
Tm_T	nmorse: I was excited	02:01
_Church_of_FoamY	i tryed a live cd of it it really kinda sucked	02:01
Tm_T	yeah	02:01
nmorse	I'd never really used anything but Macs up until then	02:01
_Church_of_FoamY	even though it looks nice	02:01
_Church_of_FoamY	kinda like win nt/2000	02:01
Tm_T	IF you wan't a good live-cd, take knoppix	02:01
Tm_T	I use it as rescue cd =)	02:02
Consty	knoppix doesn't even have nvidia driver support built into its hal! I mean come on	02:02
_Church_of_FoamY	i just found out about that one today haven't had a chance to look @ it yet	02:02
nmorse	moving from all-GUI Macs to command line linux was a bit nuts	02:02
Consty	that kinda ticked me :P	02:02
kalenedrael	i saw that as "i was scared wireless"	02:02
nmorse	:)	02:02
_Church_of_FoamY	someone told me they use it for a file recovery cd for windows at the local university	02:02
kalenedrael	haha	02:02
nmorse	I've probably tried over 20 distros	02:02
Tm_T	haha	02:03
_Church_of_FoamY	i think i'll stick with this one for now	02:03
_Church_of_FoamY	it's freindly and the support rocks ^_^	02:03
Consty	The friendly part is the best part.	02:03
kalenedrael	i've tried two distros	02:03
kalenedrael	er, three	02:03
kalenedrael	red hat 8, fedora core 3, and kubuntu	02:03
nmorse	Red Hat, SuSE, Mandrake, Debian, Lindows, Ubuntu, Libranet, Vector, Slackware, CRUX, Arch, Knoppix, Morphix, three live's I can't even name right now, and some more I just can't think of	02:03
kalenedrael	kubuntu owns everything else	02:03
kalenedrael	ew, lindows	02:04
Consty	nmorse: and you decided kubuntu was the best?	02:04
nmorse	For hardware support and general "It Just Works" factor, yes	02:04
nmorse	Oh, left Gentoo off that list	02:04
Consty	Gentoo.. garbage unless you actually have a fast connection.	02:04
nmorse	Fast connection, indeed	02:04
_duende	I have a quick basic linux question, how do i make it so that no matter who makes a file in a directory, it retains ownership of the directory's owner?	02:05
nmorse	But compile times make it suck worse than 56k ever could	02:05
kalenedrael	i will be installing kubuntu on the other boxes i have when i get the time and when i really can't stand fc3 anymore	02:05
nmorse	Use a cron job, _duende	02:05
_duende	ok, cool	02:05
Consty	nmorse: Yeah true, and its install cds are always way behind like debian in version.	02:05
_duende	tnx	02:05
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nmorse	That way every {day\|hour\|week\|month} it readjusts the permissions	02:05
Consty	nmorse: But unlike debian, gentoo isn't always stable with those older versions	02:06
nmorse	I just fetched everything off the internet	02:06
nmorse	CD's are always outdated by the time they're made in the F/OSS world	02:06
kalenedrael	that's why you have apt-get upgrade...	02:06
nmorse	or an inotify daemon might work, _duende	02:06
Consty	It's true, but it seems like every time I go to get a CD it never supports all the hardware I have in my computer at that time.. dammmn :P	02:07
nmorse	apt-get dist-upgrade for the brave with bandwidth	02:07
_duende	nmorse: hrm, i'm not familier with that, i'll read up on it. tnx.	02:07
kalenedrael	heh	02:07
Consty	I hate having to spend time getting stuff to work right ya know.. I like being able to install and use. Thats why I think kubuntu attracted me.	02:07
nmorse	Don't waste too much time on it, _duende	02:07
_duende	lol	02:07
nmorse	I'm just mulling the idea over, but it's not that feasible right now	02:07
_duende	well, i usually like to know about commands and stuff that i haven't heard of before	02:07
nmorse	Laptop hardware support was the clincher for me	02:07
_duende	cron.daily should do the trick for me	02:07
Consty	nmorse: are the nforce and nvidia drivers built into kubuntu?	02:08
nmorse	I always use the reverse-engineered nforce drivers in the kernel	02:08
_freak	did dist-upgrade yesterday. By mistake, but what the hell.	02:08
nmorse	Others here know more about nvidia then I do, as I use an ATI card in the desktop	02:08
_freak	lol	02:08
Consty	Ah, anyone here got a nvidia card that worked without a hitch?	02:09
nmorse	_duende, check into FAM too	02:09
kalenedrael	Consty, yes	02:09
kalenedrael	on both my desktop machines with a geforce2 mx400	02:09
digby	consty, I had to use apt to install the drivers, but it was all of 2 commands to make it work perfectly	02:09
Consty	cool, anyone know what version of alsa is included with the 2.6.10 kernel? (thats the one that comes with the iso right)?	02:09
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nmorse	For the really brave, run a real Debian Sid box, and set up a cron.daily 'apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade'	02:10
nmorse	1.0.8, Consty	02:10
nmorse	Did that on a server once	02:10
kalenedrael	consty, i'd suggest the packages straight from nvidia	02:10
Consty	hmm, think I need to update it then maybe.	02:10
nmorse	Not smart	02:10
nmorse	What's the problem, Consty?	02:10
Consty	I have a weird soundcard	02:11
_Church_of_FoamY	i fear having to update my box	02:11
_Church_of_FoamY	the last time it made my cpu thrash	02:11
_Church_of_FoamY	and i had to redoo it	02:11
Consty	I should say a weird chipset I think.	02:12
_Church_of_FoamY	so now i'm weary of updateing >.<	02:12
Consty	I have a Creative Audigy 2 Value	02:12
_freak	foamy, I've got an es1879. Been a pain in the butt.	02:12
Consty	Not compatible with the ZS value which alsa does support	02:12
nmorse	Should work with the emu10k1 driver	02:12
_Church_of_FoamY	theres a new firefox out?	02:13
_Church_of_FoamY	i will update that as i am a fan of mozilla	02:13
_freak	Cons, did you see this link? <A HREF="http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21211">Ubuntu Forums - Hoary Sound Broke?</A>	02:13
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musikele	hy everybody	02:13
nmorse	a fan of mozilla, the aptly named huge dinosaur?	02:14
_Church_of_FoamY	it's so much better than IE	02:14
_Church_of_FoamY	huh?	02:14
musikele	I'd like to tell 2 stupid things	02:14
nmorse	Firefox is, yeah, but Mozilla (Seamonkey) is slow	02:14
_Church_of_FoamY	i can't tell if your being serious or sarcastic	02:14
_freak	guy does a walk thru of installing audigy module.	02:14
nmorse	Serious, I hate the full Mozilla Suite	02:14
_Church_of_FoamY	why?	02:14
nmorse	Reminds me of Netscape 6	02:14
nmorse	Even Netscape 7 was faster than many Mozilla builds	02:15
_Church_of_FoamY	yea but this one works	02:15
nmorse	Then again, that was back on a 333 mHz iMac G3 with 96MB RAM	02:15
_Church_of_FoamY	someone recommended opera to me but i've had problems with it in the past	02:15
_Church_of_FoamY	like it crashed my wionbox	02:15
nmorse	I may be biased thanks to that experience	02:15
nmorse	Use Firefox, use Konqueror	02:15
musikele	1) i've tried ubuntu first and then kubuntu, but in this last distribution there is no LAN applet on the bar...! the Gnome one is very intuitive	02:15
_Church_of_FoamY	don't blame you man	02:15
_Church_of_FoamY	does opera work better on linux than ms?	02:16
nmorse	Not particularly, I only use it for web development	02:16
_Church_of_FoamY	oh ok	02:16
nmorse	Since its JavaScript implementation is horrible	02:16
_Church_of_FoamY	so it still sucks	02:16
nmorse	But it lets me check on stuff like what a site looks like on Opera Embedded	02:17
_Church_of_FoamY	so it hasen't changed to much in a year lol	02:17
musikele	2) please support smart batteries for laptops, otherwise i can't use my acer!!!	02:17
nmorse	Using the web developer toolbar	02:17
nmorse	Smart batteries?	02:17
_Church_of_FoamY	??	02:17
musikele	the drivers are on the net but I'm not able to make it work... I'm still a student.	02:17
Consty	nmorse: I think it does with th emu10k1 driver, but its only with a very recent version that it works	02:17
kalenedrael	there is no LAN applet?	02:17
nmorse	Hmm	02:17
Consty	nmorse: The version that came with Knoppix 3.8 I know works	02:17
musikele	yes, smart batteries, all acer laptops have it.. also some toshiba I think	02:18
_Church_of_FoamY	how is kubuntu with wireless guys?	02:18
_Church_of_FoamY	i want to switch my network to wireless	02:18
nmorse	What the heck is a smart battery though?	02:18
_Church_of_FoamY	i want to know that to	02:18
nmorse	And how does it differ from a normal battery?	02:18
musikele	_Church_of_FoamY I'd like to give a try tomorrow, I'll take the laptop tu university	02:18
Consty	nmorse: Yeah, its 1.0.8, so it'll work. Cool	02:18
_Church_of_FoamY	sweet let me know man	02:18
nmorse	Consty, go to #alsa for additional help	02:18
nmorse	They know way more about it than I do	02:19
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_Church_of_FoamY	i'm gussing that a smart battery is some type of battery with a brain?	02:19
musikele	nmorse first of all I think it differs in the interface to the kernel or stuff like that... there is a lot about it on the web, still developing	02:19
_Church_of_FoamY	maybe it does you homework for you?	02:19
nmorse	Why would you want an interface to your battery?	02:19
_Church_of_FoamY	i'm just gussing here guys help me out	02:20
nmorse	Traditional battery meters have worked for centuries	02:20
musikele	just a moment, I'll find the web page on the web	02:20
_Church_of_FoamY	well make this as game of phillarbust	02:20
nmorse	Sounds like another proprietary gimmick to me	02:20
_Church_of_FoamY	yea	02:20
nmorse	Snorkel!	02:20
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musikele	Using the smartbattery	02:20
musikele	The Travelmate 4001 (and the Extensa 3002 and some other, too) has a so-called "smartbattery". That means, it cannot be accessed in the way kernel-acpi uses but, because it's connected to the SMB-Bus (SMB has nothing to do with Samba or Windows, it's for System Management Bus) it has to be accessed using I2C.	02:20
musikele	I took a look around and found some discussions about the smartbatteries on the acpi-devel mailinglist on sourceforge. Somebody (I don't remember his name atm) has written a program to read out smartbattery status, using the i2c interface. It works well on kernel 2.6.10, I haven't tested it on 2.6.9. You can download the programm at http://www.poupinou.org/acpi/smartbatt/. But now there's a nicer way to read out the battery's status	02:20
nmorse	Sorry, had to take a guess	02:20
_Church_of_FoamY	i like the batterys that work like well......batterys	02:20
nmorse	Amen	02:21
_Church_of_FoamY	samme	02:21
musikele	from http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~dbildh/Linux_On_TM4001/	02:21
nmorse	Why use an i2c character device to read a battery?	02:21
_Church_of_FoamY	theres a whole bunch of updates wow	02:21
_Church_of_FoamY	either i haven't updated in a while or they like just came out	02:22
heath	hey i was going to see if any of you could help me get sound on my system. i've got a crystal sound card, and the machine uses ISA. in simply mepis, the sound works, and i've copied the output of dmesg and lspci.	02:22
nmorse	I got them today, so they just came out	02:22
_Church_of_FoamY	i'm gonna flip a coin and decide weather or not to update	02:22
nmorse	cron.daily baby	02:22
_Church_of_FoamY	whats cron?	02:22
_Church_of_FoamY	<---still learning	02:23
nmorse	The way to do jobs on a schedule	02:23
_Church_of_FoamY	oh neat	02:23
nmorse	So, you give it a time and a command and it does it for you	02:23
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_Church_of_FoamY	nice	02:23
Tm_T	whoa, im such a guru \o/	02:23
nmorse	I'm sure there's some way to do it graphically, but nano works for me (and sometimes vi, never emacs)	02:23
_Church_of_FoamY	does it have a blow up microsoft command?	02:23
Tm_T	I use powerful pc, Linux and cedega to play dosgame =)	02:23
nmorse	No, I tried that	02:24
_Church_of_FoamY	>.< damnit	02:24
musikele	see you and please consider my suggestions!	02:24
Consty	Didn't you know church? Microsoft has this function they use on all windows distrobution called corrupt_over_time();	02:24
nmorse	Why not use DOSemu, Tm_T	02:24
nmorse	?	02:24
Tm_T	nmorse: too heavy	02:24
musikele	are there any other forums on the web?	02:24
Consty	Its a random # and once that number hits, you're done.	02:24
_Church_of_FoamY	roflmao	02:24
nmorse	how about dosbox?	02:24
Tm_T	too much configuration :/	02:24
Tm_T	because this game is soooo nasty	02:24
nmorse	So, you're using Cedega for a DOS game?	02:25
Tm_T	even win2k doesn't run it	02:25
Tm_T	yes, I try	02:25
nmorse	What game could be so important?	02:25
_Church_of_FoamY	you know the world trade ceneters where quite a loss.....	02:25
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Tm_T	SPww2 =)	02:25
_Church_of_FoamY	nobody would have missed microsoft.	02:25
Tm_T	http://www.shrapnelgames.com/SPCamo/spww2.htm	02:25
Tm_T	I think that as one of the best games	02:25
_Church_of_FoamY	anyone had any luck with rpg's?	02:25
Tm_T	and it's free \o/	02:25
_Church_of_FoamY	will it run in cedega?	02:26
nmorse	Tm_T: pick up the old DOS 5.0 Eye of the Beholder games	02:26
Consty	nmorse: ah, the gold box games? Love those.	02:26
nmorse	Yeah, I actually bought 14 D&D games for $10 for DOS at Wal-Mart two years ago	02:27
_Church_of_FoamY	i have old dos games on 51/2	02:27
_Church_of_FoamY	i still play	02:27
nmorse	DOS games were fun	02:27
_Church_of_FoamY	like the old doom,spyhunter,qbert	02:27
nmorse	Now where did Commander KEEN go?	02:28
digby	two words: scorched earth	02:28
_Church_of_FoamY	i even have an old dos game called heretic	02:28
Tm_T	nmorse: hmm, dos 5.0 isn't that old really :/	02:28
nmorse	Carmack's greatest game was clearly KEEN3	02:28
digby	and commander Keen was awesome	02:28
_Church_of_FoamY	they rock man in some respects better than todays games	02:28
nmorse	I've played all 4 (there were only 4 right?)	02:28
_Church_of_FoamY	i liked being able to type "iddqd" and beat doom	02:28
_Church_of_FoamY	or idkfa or rambo	02:29
digby	I think 4 is correct	02:29
Consty	I think my favorite games of the past were the old BBS Door Games.. you know those things you used to dial into for yoru local area before the internet hit	02:29
nmorse	I want to find Keen now	02:29
Consty	LORD, Planets, Tradewars 2002, love those games	02:29
_Church_of_FoamY	i remeber those they rocked	02:29
nmorse	No, I have no idea about BBS's, I was like 5	02:29
_Church_of_FoamY	they forced you to imagine made the game much more interesting	02:29
digby	we had a local Barren Realms Elite league on all the BBSes in my town	02:29
_Church_of_FoamY	there still are bbs games	02:30
nmorse	I remember a lot of the early internet, though, my dad worked at USC (South Carolina) at the time so we got it early	02:30
_Church_of_FoamY	you just have to find them	02:30
_Church_of_FoamY	and they still work	02:30
_Church_of_FoamY	^_^	02:30
nmorse	But no 9600 baud modem anymore	02:30
_Church_of_FoamY	well i gots ta go so i'll see you all later	02:30
_Church_of_FoamY	yea i know	02:30
nmorse	see you, Church	02:31
digby	cya foamy	02:31
nmorse	have fun in DOSland	02:31
_Church_of_FoamY	i remeber when that was considerd fast	02:31
_Church_of_FoamY	lol see ya guys have a nice night/day/morning respectivly	02:31
_Church_of_FoamY	peace out	02:31
digby	sound question - XChat wants to know what to use to play sound - for arts, I tell it /usr/bin/artsd?	02:32
nmorse	No idea	02:32
nmorse	Try using the same player KDE System Notification uses (this is configurable)	02:32
digby	k	02:32
digby	will check	02:32
nmorse	I like Taskbar v2	02:33
nmorse	Too bad KPager2 doesn't work	02:33
_Church_of_FoamY	shit i'm back	02:34
nmorse	that was fast	02:34
_Church_of_FoamY	theres a tornado warning in my town	02:34
_Church_of_FoamY	lol	02:34
nmorse	Where do you live?	02:34
_Church_of_FoamY	yea	02:34
_Church_of_FoamY	way out in marquette,mi usa	02:34
_Church_of_FoamY	that far north	02:34
_Church_of_FoamY	weard	02:34
digby	you guys get tornadoes up there? lol	02:35
nmorse	Now, to hope that storm doesn't hit Tennessee where my church friends left for today	02:35
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nmorse	Wait, MI == Mississippi, right?	02:35
digby	oh	02:35
digby	lol	02:35
_Church_of_FoamY	ouch	02:35
digby	I read that wrong	02:35
nmorse	MI == Maine?	02:35
_Church_of_FoamY	i understand how ya mean i'm a revernd	02:35
nmorse	MI == Missouri?	02:35
digby	MA = Maine	02:36
nmorse	C'mon, give me hint	02:36
digby	MO = Missouri	02:36
digby	MI is Mississippi	02:36
digby	but I read Minnesota	02:36
_Church_of_FoamY	michigan	02:36
nmorse	OH	02:36
digby	is it?	02:36
digby	lol	02:36
_Church_of_FoamY	yup	02:36
nmorse	Too many states that start with M, it's almost as bad as A	02:36
digby	it's been too long since I had any geography	02:36
_Church_of_FoamY	lol	02:36
nmorse	Michigan, so close to Canada, eh?	02:37
_Church_of_FoamY	eh?	02:37
_Church_of_FoamY	ya eh	02:37
nmorse	eh, hooser?	02:37
_Church_of_FoamY	lol	02:37
nmorse	what's that all aboot?	02:37
Tm_T	whoaaah	02:37
Tm_T	that cedega is scary	02:37
_Church_of_FoamY	it's a saying it's a canadian/american hybrid	02:38
nmorse	Tried to use CVS?	02:38
Tm_T	windows graphics in my desktop...	02:38
_Church_of_FoamY	windows scary	02:38
kalenedrael	how do i get cedega?	02:38
nmorse	Oh, Win graphics, yeah	02:38
nmorse	I really hope they wisen up and use a modern toolkit sometime	02:38
_Church_of_FoamY	really stupid question	02:38
nmorse	go to linux-gamers.net	02:39
_Church_of_FoamY	has anyone gotten weatherbug to run in wine/cedega?	02:39
nmorse	They have all the info	02:39
nmorse	I hope not	02:39
nmorse	Weatherbug is the devil	02:39
_Church_of_FoamY	what it's so accurate	02:39
kalenedrael	ok, never mind...	02:39
_Church_of_FoamY	i love it lol	02:39
kalenedrael	i intended to ask "can i get cedega with apt"	02:39
_Church_of_FoamY	better than the programs for gonme	02:39
_Church_of_FoamY	gnome	02:39
_Church_of_FoamY	they don't even have my town in them	02:40
nmorse	no, kalenedrael	02:40
_Church_of_FoamY	so i can get the weather but it's like from 50mi south	02:40
kalenedrael	ok	02:40
nmorse	Foamy, just use a dadgum airport weather finder	02:40
kalenedrael	(you have to pay for it, right?)	02:40
nmorse	If you don't use CVS	02:40
_Church_of_FoamY	whats that?	02:41
_Church_of_FoamY	is it an apt-get ^_^	02:41
nmorse	It checks what the airport closest to you says the weather is	02:41
nmorse	I have no idea what ones there are right now, but I bet there's one in Kontact	02:41
bobbyd	kalenedrael: it's best to pay for it if you use it	02:42
_Church_of_FoamY	ohh how to get?	02:43
nmorse	sudo apt-get install kontact	02:44
nmorse	It's like a wrapper for KMail, KOrganizer, Kthis and Kthat	02:44
Mez	kontact should be installed by default	02:44
_Church_of_FoamY	is that apt-get for me?	02:45
_Church_of_FoamY	so how do i get dadgum	02:45
digby	wait... someone is looking for weather info and no one recommended liquid weather?	02:45
nmorse	Kontact wasn't installed by default for me, though I did do the 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' from Ubuntu	02:45
nmorse	Liquid weather?	02:45
_Church_of_FoamY	i tryed liquid weather but i can't get it to run	02:46
nmorse	For Superkaramba?	02:46
digby	yeah	02:46
_Church_of_FoamY	i have it i should say	02:46
digby	I love it	02:46
_Church_of_FoamY	yea	02:46
Mez	foamy	02:46
_Church_of_FoamY	how did you get it to work?	02:46
Mez	foamy foamy	02:46
Mez	:D	02:46
_Church_of_FoamY	hey	02:46
digby	well, I apt-get'ed superkaramba, downloaded LW from kde-look	02:46
digby	and opened the theam	02:46
digby	it was quite easy	02:46
_Church_of_FoamY	do you put the whole folder in .superkarumba?	02:47
nmorse	I remember when Karamba was added to the Debian package lists	02:47
_Church_of_FoamY	or whats inside the folder?	02:47
digby	I put all my themes in /opt/themes	02:47
nmorse	I put them in .superkaramba or a seperate folder like SuperKaramba	02:47
_Church_of_FoamY	oh maybe thats what i did wrong	02:47
nmorse	with a custom icon	02:47
nmorse	Used the hat for that little mouse who always says, Aieeh! Caramba!	02:48
Tm_T	aaargh	02:48
nmorse	Then stuck it on a grey folder	02:48
digby	lol	02:48
digby	nice	02:48
nmorse	Do you hate Cedega, Tm_T?	02:48
Tm_T	nmorse: it doesn't run that spww2 :/	02:48
_Church_of_FoamY	damn i put mine in the .superkarumba and i can't get the theme to come up :(	02:49
nmorse	Nothing seems to	02:49
Tm_T	so I have to install windows XP into my another workstation :/	02:49
nmorse	Try using FreeDOS, Tm_T	02:49
Tm_T	nmorse: well, I have to install XP anyway	02:49
nmorse	No, you don't	02:49
nmorse	XP is the Devil	02:49
Tm_T	if I try to be helpdesk I suppose to know what I'm helping =)	02:49
nmorse	The Power of Christ Compels You!	02:50
Tm_T	haha	02:50
nmorse	Must exorcise demons from Windows box	02:50
nmorse	But not daemons, who are friendly	02:50
_Church_of_FoamY	i use a speacal version ov vmware	02:50
Tm_T	=)	02:51
Mez	vmware	02:51
Mez	mmm	02:51
nmorse	error403: did you ever get KPager2 to work? (are you even here?)	02:51
nmorse	Emulation isn't all it's cracked up to be	02:52
error403	nmorse, yes i am here	02:52
nmorse	Except for NesterDC	02:52
error403	and i havent heard of Kpager 2	02:52
nmorse	It's by the same guy who did Taskbar v2	02:52
nmorse	It give previews of the desktop	02:52
nmorse	Looks nice, but I can't get it to work	02:52
nmorse	NesterDC was great for playing every NES game ever on the Dreamcast	02:53
error403	lol	02:53
error403	ok	02:53
error403	i might try it....	02:53
error403	hmm, whatever happened the the Dreamcast?	02:55
error403	was like a 2-month fad	02:55
nmorse	Bad marketing	02:55
error403	then disappeared	02:55
error403	lol	02:55
nmorse	Release too close to the other consoles, like within a year, but with less power	02:56
nmorse	The year being to the PS2	02:56
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nmorse	It still lives on though	02:56
_Church_of_FoamY	wow lost inet :(	02:56
_Church_of_FoamY	stupid t3	02:56
nmorse	And Dreamcast development still occurs	02:56
nmorse	You're T3 cut out on you?	02:56
_Church_of_FoamY	i tryed the liquid weather and it just shows a black box :(	02:57
digby	it does that for me while it loads...	02:57
nmorse	s/You're/Your/	02:57
digby	but it goes away quickly	02:57
digby	what version of liquid weather do you have?	02:57
_Church_of_FoamY	i don't know i just downloaded it today	02:58
_Church_of_FoamY	both of them actually	02:58
digby	I think the newest requires superkaramba 0.36	02:58
_Church_of_FoamY	send me your version lol	02:58
digby	k	02:58
digby	how do I send a file over irc?	02:58
nmorse	DCC	02:59
nmorse	What client?	02:59
_Church_of_FoamY	um right click on my name	02:59
digby	xchat	02:59
_Church_of_FoamY	and select send file	02:59
_Church_of_FoamY	or konversation	02:59
_Church_of_FoamY	wow it works lol	03:00
_Church_of_FoamY	oh it faled	03:00
digby	hm	03:00
digby	I bet I have to go forward ports in my router	03:00
nmorse	You know, there are people in this room who are always here and I've never heard them say a word	03:00
digby	maybe they're shy	03:00
_Church_of_FoamY	really really shy lol	03:00
nmorse	Like Choubaka, Blissex, deepspace9, et als.	03:01
claydoh	word	03:01
nmorse	I need to come up with a program to put in universe	03:01
_Church_of_FoamY	i've herd Choubaka	03:01
_Church_of_FoamY	whered you get your version from?	03:01
nmorse	Then I can claim the title of a Master of the Universe	03:01
nmorse	Yes, I need to do that	03:02
digby	I got it from kde-look... but that was a while ago	03:02
Tm_T	yhyhyy	03:02
_Church_of_FoamY	says connection activly refused	03:02
digby	i'm trying to find it somewhere on the web for you	03:02
Tm_T	my cedega hates me	03:02
Tm_T	it says "your MS instller is too old" or something like that =)	03:03
nmorse	Cedega is hateful	03:03
nmorse	It's a fact of life	03:03
Tm_T	haha	03:03
nmorse	Should have stuck to dx9wine	03:03
_Church_of_FoamY	holy shit it works	03:03
_Church_of_FoamY	but theres something wrong with the fonts	03:03
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nmorse	That's easy to fix	03:04
nmorse	Just adjust the fonts in the config file	03:04
nmorse	Is Superkaramba still only on .36?	03:04
digby	I believe so	03:04
Tm_T	36?	03:04
nmorse	By now, I figure with as stable as it's been and as long as it's been at .36, it should be declared 1.0	03:04
_Church_of_FoamY	how to fix the font?	03:04
dreumah	how do i install gnome	03:04
nmorse	Right click on it, and select configure theme	03:05
nmorse	sudo apt-get install gnome	03:05
digby	dreumah: type sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop	03:05
nmorse	Debian drives me nuts with simplicity some times, because they make these dadgum meta-packages that solve dependencies before apt ever gets there	03:05
nmorse	Make sure to get a good GNOME theme	03:06
nmorse	The default is about as ugly as Mac OS 7	03:06
digby	lol	03:06
_Church_of_FoamY	brb	03:06
nmorse	That sums up GNOME in a nutshell: As ugly as Mac Classic	03:06
digby	I didn't care for the default kubuntu theme, either	03:07
nmorse	KDE seems to progress towards OS X'ey	03:07
nmorse	pronounced OS Sexy	03:07
digby	hahaha	03:07
nmorse	too blue, eh, digby?	03:07
digby	yeah	03:07
digby	everyone is doing blue these days	03:07
nmorse	I like a soft red or green for a theme	03:07
digby	and don't get me wrong, I like blue, but it's too common	03:07
crimsun	murder red, please.	03:08
nmorse	Green works very well, but there's no good icon theme in green these days	03:08
nmorse	hey crimsun	03:08
crimsun	'lo	03:08
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_Church_of_FoamY	inet crashed again damn	03:10
nmorse	ftp://www.betterthanducttape.com/snapshot3.png is a good example of a red background at least	03:10
error403	nmorse,	03:10
nmorse	Warning, passive ftp may not work	03:10
error403	i got an error with kpager2 as well	03:10
_Church_of_FoamY	the sky is litrally black	03:10
nmorse	That bugs me	03:10
nmorse	Black, eh?	03:10
_Church_of_FoamY	yea really bad weather i think	03:11
nmorse	Like plagues of Egypt, black?	03:11
nmorse	Really bad weather sucks	03:13
nmorse	We lost power for a while here last night	03:13
nmorse	But UPS's and Laptop Batteries saved the day	03:13
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nmorse	I will fix this dadgum KPager2 issue	03:14
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_Church_of_FoamY	pritty damn close	03:15
nmorse	I need a distcc cluster	03:16
dreumah	which repos do i have to uncomment?	03:16
nmorse	for what?	03:16
error403	nmorse, i know what you mean about laptop batteries!	03:16
error403	l.ol	03:16
dreumah	isnt t here a repo that wants you to use mirrors	03:17
dreumah	was it backports?	03:17
nmorse	What are you trying to install you need more repos for?	03:17
dreumah	mplayer and such things	03:18
dreumah	gkrellm	03:18
nmorse	Use marillat for mplayer	03:18
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nmorse	should be on the wiki, dreumah	03:19
crimsun	more precisely, use marillat's testing branch for mplayer dependencies, but use multiverse for mplayer itself	03:19
error403	gkrellm is in the apt-get repos that are there by default	03:19
nmorse	Or on the unofficial FAQ in the topic	03:19
error403	i just installed it.....	03:19
dreumah	alright	03:19
dreumah	how about freebirth?	03:20
nmorse	freebirth is in universe/sound	03:20
nmorse	meaning universe repo	03:20
dreumah	how about java for amd64	03:22
dreumah	and flash	03:22
nmorse	Check topic	03:22
nmorse	Unofficial FAQ	03:22
dreumah	kubuntu or ubuntu?	03:22
nmorse	http://kudos.berlios.de	03:23
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_Church_of_FoamY	still got the stupid font problem i can't seem to fix it	03:24
nmorse	The theme files don't specify the fonts?	03:24
_Church_of_FoamY	i think they do maybe i don't have the fonts	03:24
_Church_of_FoamY	it's like theres a square inbetween every letter	03:25
nmorse	Like you're getting ASCII characters it can't display?	03:25
dreumah	hmm how do i get my amarok to play?	03:25
dreumah	it says it has no engine	03:26
_Church_of_FoamY	it seems so	03:26
nmorse	install amarok-engines	03:26
nmorse	sudo apt-get install amarok-arts for example	03:26
_Church_of_FoamY	who me?	03:27
dreumah	have them installed	03:27
Chislon	do i need to read the warty ubuntu install guide, or should i just resize my windows partition and run the install program? and so all i need to do is make it smaller? and i dont need to make a boot area for ubuntu in the front of the drive? and ubuntu will do the rest of the partitioning, will it enable me to do seperate / and /home partitions?	03:27
nmorse	Look, you probably want to read the hoary install guide	03:29
nmorse	Not the warty	03:29
Chislon	well warty is only one i could find	03:30
Chislon	can u send me a link for hoary?	03:30
Chislon	n/m i found it	03:31
Chislon	thank you	03:31
nmorse	Good luck with the hoary install, hope to see you here again soon	03:31
error403	nmorse, was it you who said you used Cedega?	03:33
error403	or someone elsE?	03:33
nmorse	I don't use it	03:33
error403	lol	03:33
digby	I use it	03:33
error403	ok	03:33
digby	a little	03:33
nmorse	Probably Tm_T who was complaining about it	03:34
error403	digby, what have you managed to get to run on it?	03:34
error403	coz i cant get anything to run	03:34
digby	warcraft 3 is the only thing I've tried	03:34
error403	i mean, i can install things...	03:34
digby	and it runs pretty well	03:34
error403	well, when i run something, it appears in the taskbar for a while, then disappears	03:34
error403	and then i never hear anything from it....	03:34
digby	mine did that too for a while	03:35
error403	how youfix it?	03:35
digby	I finally installed their point to play thing	03:35
digby	and it seems to work a little better	03:35
error403	the what?	03:35
digby	it's a gui frontend for cedega	03:35
error403	ok	03:35
error403	where i get it?	03:35
digby	I got it the same place I got cedega from...	03:36
error403	which is?	03:36
digby	coughtorrentcough	03:36
Tm_T	oh, now I hate Cedega	03:36
Tm_T	I can't even play Flatout :/	03:37
nmorse	I got KPager2 working	03:37
Tm_T	I managed to install it, but it's not enough	03:37
nmorse	You have to kill kicker, then wait for it to restart	03:37
error403	what version is it?	03:37
error403	digby, is this it?	03:37
nmorse	Now to rig up a script in .kde/Autostart to do this for me	03:37
error403	point2play-1.3.3-1.tgz	03:37
digby	that's it	03:38
error403	right	03:38
error403	ok	03:38
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digby	I had a deb, but I think I may have made that from the tgz file	03:38
nmorse	start appletproxy /opt/kde3/share/apps/kicker/applets/kpager2.desktop	03:38
nmorse	anyone know what that does?	03:38
error403	argh!	03:39
error403	sleep!	03:39
shiv	I installed the 855resolution all works fine on my dell 700m except that the size of windows is too big..any suggestions?	03:39
nmorse	Sleep is bad for you	03:39
nmorse	It makes you even more tired	03:40
nmorse	And stiff from all the tossing and turning	03:40
error403	lol	03:41
nmorse	If it weren't for Napoleon, I'd swear off sleeping	03:41
nmorse	He only made it three days	03:41
digby	if you can stay awake long enough, you're supposed to start to hallucinate	03:42
error403	LMAO	03:42
error403	LMFAO	03:42
error403	lol	03:42
error403	lol	03:42
error403	lol	03:42
error403	i just had the craziest idea!	03:42
error403	and it worked!	03:43
digby	did it involve flash dancing?	03:43
error403	eject /dev/hdc && eject -t /dev/hdc	03:43
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error403	try it	03:43
error403	ejects then re-inserts	03:43
digby	haha	03:43
error403	long enough to insert/remove a disk...	03:43
error403	lol	03:43
error403	you did it?	03:43
digby	now we just need to make a backdoor into someone's box...	03:44
digby	haha	03:44
error403	LMAO	03:44
error403	eject: CD-ROM tray close command failed: Input/output error	03:44
error403	on a laptop	03:44
error403	coz a laptop is eject-only	03:44
digby	haha	03:45
digby	if I had friends that ran linux, I think I'd make that a cron job	03:45
error403	digby, does this GUI keep track of what you have installed?	03:45
digby	yes	03:45
nmorse	Try using SSH for such nefarious purposes	03:45
error403	and is it to like change settings too?	03:45
nmorse	The innocent are too trusting	03:45
error403	lol	03:45
error403	actually	03:45
digby	haha	03:45
error403	a friend of mine started his music playing full volume	03:45
error403	while he was at school	03:46
nmorse	My laptop CDROM drive fails to close too	03:46
nmorse	I swear I'm going to rig that up with a mechanical disc changer	03:46
nmorse	There we go, moved kpager2.desktop into ~/.kde/Autostart	03:51
nmorse	Now to see if restarting KDE lets KPager2 run at startup	03:51
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nmorse	so much for that bright ide	03:56
nmorse	s/ide/idea/	03:56
digby	didn't work?	03:56
nmorse	Not at all	03:58
nmorse	had to kill kicker and then add it	03:59
nmorse	as soon as I can figure out what the start appletproxy stuff is I'm going to try that	03:59
error403	digby,	04:01
digby	???	04:01
error403	umm	04:01
error403	why is everything blanked out?	04:01
digby	power outage?	04:01
digby	no idea	04:01
error403	lol	04:01
error403	i mean in Point2Play	04:02
nmorse	Because Transgaming gave you the shaft?	04:02
digby	did you set it up to find your cedega?	04:02
error403	umm, how?	04:02
digby	oh, man... let me see if I can find the readme...	04:02
error403	ok	04:02
error403	thanks	04:02
error403	hmm	04:02
error403	1 min	04:02
nmorse	I figured out what appletproxy is	04:03
nmorse	Now to figure out how to make it put the applet in Kicker	04:03
digby	error403: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/164718	04:04
error403	digby, i love you!	04:10
error403	lol	04:10
digby	haha	04:10
digby	glad to help	04:10
Tm_T	rrr	04:10
nmorse	Yay, I think I figured my problem out	04:11
error403	digby, did you have framerate problems?	04:11
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digby	no, but I've only played warcraft 3, and it's supposed to be one of the well supported games	04:12
error403	lol	04:12
error403	ok	04:12
digby	I'm assuming that your video drivers are correctly installed	04:12
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error403	well, i am running on Kubuntu default for my card...	04:13
error403	nVidia Geforce FX5200	04:13
error403	should i install the official nVidia drivers?	04:13
digby	you can use the ones in the apt repository	04:13
digby	apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings	04:14
crimsun	error403: just follow the directions on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto	04:14
_freak	nmorse: I just want to thank you for mentioning the #alsa channel earlier. I went there and got a tip to fix my sound. mp3's are playing. THX!	04:14
nmorse	happy to help	04:14
Consty	crimsun: Aren't the nvidia drivers optimized for each system?	04:14
nmorse	If you're ever on the Yahoo chats, I'm in the FreeBSD, Linux, Solaris room sometimes	04:14
Consty	crimsun: When you compile?	04:14
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crimsun	Consty: they have to be, since they're kernel-dependent	04:15
Consty	crimsun: So when you use apt-get does it compile for you as well?	04:15
crimsun	Consty: e.g., the install kernel is -386, so you have the driver compiled for i386	04:15
nmorse	Why on earth does appletproxy not bring up Kpager2 in Kicker?	04:15
crimsun	Consty: no, they're already included in your install	04:15
crimsun	Consty: you just need to enable it	04:15
Consty	ah I see	04:16
Consty	I'm sure its covered in the unofficial faq when this torrent is done	04:16
crimsun	yep, also in the url I typed above	04:16
_freak	nite	04:17
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Consty	crimsun: I'de probably want to compile the kernel for i686	04:20
crimsun	Consty: nah, you'd want to ,,sudo aptitude install linux-686''	04:20
crimsun	Consty: then reboot :)	04:20
crimsun	Consty: as long as you enabled the Nvidia driver, you're set	04:20
crimsun	no compilation needed	04:21
Consty	crimsun: Dang theres a command for everything haha	04:21
Consty	To used to slackware	04:21
crimsun	you could do it from Kynaptic, too, I'm fairly certain	04:21
crimsun	I'm a cli person, though	04:21
Consty	So am I.	04:21
nmorse	CLI indeed	04:21
nmorse	Though crimsun, you're an XFCE maintainer, no?	04:22
crimsun	yeah	04:22
nmorse	Well, XFCE4 is great for a lightweight almost full DE	04:23
kalenedrael	note to self: stop using knoppix cd as coaster	04:23
kalenedrael	use toasted cd instead	04:23
nmorse	Have those XFCE4 themes ever been fixed, by the way?	04:23
crimsun	yeah, Xfce is fairly nice. I'm pretty DE-neutral.	04:23
crimsun	is there a Malone bug regarding that bug?	04:23
nmorse	Make your own coasters, by burning at 52X on a 14X CD	04:23
nmorse	Yeah, I put it in myself	04:24
nmorse	Haven't gotten an update through the temail yet	04:24
crimsun	probably not, I haven't uploaded any Xfce updates due to the Cxx transition in Breezy	04:24
nmorse	Ahh, the probably was just that the XFCE4 themes package had a problem involving the themes being in the wrong format	04:25
nmorse	I just don't know how to redo the format myself	04:25
crimsun	k, I'll try and look later	04:25
nmorse	s/probably/problem/	04:25
crimsun	jani and I are both pretty busy, but please join the Xfce team (MOTUXfce)	04:25
nmorse	I might	04:25
Consty	What is your opinions on Enlightenment nmorse/crimsun?	04:25
nmorse	I like e16, looking forward to e17	04:26
crimsun	E DR15 was amazing, and DR16 is pretty nice, too	04:26
nmorse	Wish Ubuntu's e16 had the normal default theme	04:26
nmorse	Winter, I think is the name	04:26
Consty	they modified it?	04:26
kalenedrael	what does DR stand for?	04:26
crimsun	it's a straight import from Debian, so it has whatever Debian configured	04:26
nmorse	I tried it on Gentoo first, but the E web site said Winter was the new default theme	04:27
nmorse	Of course, my mouse clicks don't work on the background either for normal and middle click	04:27
nmorse	I think that may be due to .xsession or .xinitrc though as it doesn't work in XFCE4 either	04:28
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Consty	I was really considering using enlightenment because of how different you can make it look.	04:30
dreumah	kvirc keeps crashing on me	04:31
Consty	To the extent that someone walks in and looks at it and cannot mistake it for a mac or windows clone.	04:31
nmorse	Yeah, just get a good theme for it	04:31
nmorse	And enjoy the eye-candy	04:31
nmorse	And definitely enjoy use of the .enlightenment/backgrounds/ directory	04:31
nmorse	That way you change wallpapers from the right-click menu by clicking on their thumbnail	04:32
Consty	yeah its nice	04:34
Consty	just probably a lot of configuration to get it to look the way you want.. do the custom icons for applications usually come with the themes?	04:35
nmorse	No	04:40
nmorse	I really wish the gentoo icons were more widely distributed	04:40
nmorse	They have the best game icon collection anywhere	04:40
Consty	game icon collection? what about just regular apps like firefox thunderbird and such	04:40
nmorse	They usually bring their own along	04:41
nmorse	It's all about where they are	04:41
nmorse	Then you just put the path in your .menu file	04:41
kalenedrael	oh, and, after apt-get installing enlightenment, how do i use it?	04:41
kalenedrael	there is no menu option on the login screen	04:41
nmorse	That is a minor problem with Enlightenment currently AFAICT	04:42
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kalenedrael	AFAICT?	04:44
nmorse	AFAI Can Tell	04:45
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nmorse	kalenedrael: just find an enlightenment.desktop file and put it in the proper sessions directory	04:52
kalenedrael	ok	04:53
nmorse	I wonder if I have one of those actually	04:54
nmorse	Are you using KDM or GDM?	04:55
kalenedrael	kdm	04:55
nmorse	There should be one in your sessions directory	04:56
nmorse	Now to figure out why it doesn't show up	04:56
nmorse	BBIAM	04:57
nmorse	back	05:08
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nmorse	kalenedrael: try copying the /usr/share/apps/kdm/sessions/enlightenment.desktop to /usr/share/xsessions/	05:16
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Consty	ugh, I'm running out of seeds on the dvd torrent for kubuntu :(	05:23
Tm_T	:/	05:23
Tm_T	give me thae url	05:23
Tm_T	-a	05:24
Tm_T	?	05:24
Consty	http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/kubuntu-5.04-dvd-i386.iso.torrent	05:24
Tm_T	ok	05:24
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nmorse	I wish there was a LUG in my area	05:27
Tm_T	heh	05:27
nmorse	And even a FUG	05:27
Tm_T	we have one in here	05:27
nmorse	The only other current linux user I know in my town uses a Knoppix HD install and has dial-up	05:27
nmorse	Not much he can do with that	05:28
Tm_T	haha	05:28
Tm_T	and you live in where?	05:28
nmorse	Rural Oklahoma	05:28
nmorse	Near the Arkansas border	05:28
Tm_T	how big "city" ?	05:28
nmorse	The tech-barren wasteland of the southeast	05:28
nmorse	Maybe 1500	05:28
nmorse	people in the whole town	05:28
Tm_T	ok, so no LUG :/	05:28
nmorse	The town south of us has about 4-6k people	05:29
Tm_T	we have ~50K people in this town and in surroundings same more	05:29
nmorse	The town north almost 10k (seasonally)	05:29
Tm_T	and we have "big" LUG, about 20 people	05:29
nmorse	This is a land where technology is unknown	05:29
Tm_T	and I know over 100 Linux users in here =)	05:29
nmorse	Except in trucks	05:29
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nmorse	I think I should move to Canada where there are lots of linux users	05:30
nmorse	Yeah, Canada sounds really good	05:30
crimsun	rural ok doesn't sound that bad	05:31
crimsun	peaceful, at least, which is good	05:31
kakalto	sigh	05:32
nmorse	Peaceful? Ha!	05:32
Tm_T	hahaha	05:32
crimsun	gunshots?	05:32
nmorse	This is Adair County, Oklahoma	05:32
nmorse	We're the dadgum Meth Capital of the dadgum World!	05:32
kakalto	I live in a peaceful place :D	05:32
Tm_T	btw russians are flying above with their migs, great...	05:33
crimsun	heh.	05:33
crimsun	it's pretty quiet here in rochester, mn	05:33
nmorse	We have more arrests and murders a year than most counties with 30 times our population	05:33
Tm_T	and this is not a joke =)	05:33
crimsun	before that, I lived in chapel hill, nc, a mere 15 minutes away from RTP	05:33
nmorse	Russian migs?	05:33
nmorse	Crap	05:33
Tm_T	heh	05:33
Tm_T	ok, 50km from here	05:33
Tm_T	not straight above	05:33
Tm_T	but anyway	05:34
Tm_T	hmm, it "happens" sometimes	05:34
nmorse	We had, I think 13 murders in our county in two months, while the closest metro area had 2	05:34
Tm_T	and cargo planes etc etc	05:34
nmorse	The Fayetteville-Springdale area has way more people than we do	05:34
Tm_T	heh	05:35
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Tm_T	nmorse: just guess where's highest suicide rate ;--P	05:35
thoreauputic	Tm_T: aim a powerful speaker at the and play "Finlandia" g	05:35
nmorse	No idea, but I know we have the highest teen pregnancy rate in the USA	05:35
monchy	so lots of potential springer guests then	05:36
Tm_T	thoreauputic: haha	05:36
thoreauputic	:)	05:36
nmorse	Yep, thorough rednecks here	05:36
Tm_T	but anyway, I love to live in here =)	05:37
nmorse	Like I said, I want to move to Canada	05:37
nmorse	Or Hawaii	05:37
nmorse	I would like to be warm	05:37
Tm_T	too much sun	05:37
Tm_T	and there must be much snow!	05:37
Tm_T	in winter I mean =)	05:37
monchy	that's a myth	05:37
Tm_T	monchy: ...do you know how great it is when sun is up onlu a few hours a day ;)	05:38
Tm_T	s/onlu/only	05:38
nmorse	It's horrible	05:38
nmorse	I have a friend who lives in Alaska	05:38
Tm_T	I like	05:38
monchy	actually i don't mind	05:38
Tm_T	and in summer... it's all up =)	05:38
monchy	i hate summer :(	05:39
nmorse	Why doesn't backports have any of the software in it I put it in my sources.list for?	05:39
nmorse	I like summer, and the 100 degree Farenheit weather	05:40
nmorse	and the 80% humidity	05:40
crimsun	I like summer and the 70F weather	05:40
Tm_T	hmm, how about -35'C winter ;)	05:40
nmorse	70F?	05:40
Tm_T	I like	05:40
nmorse	Where?	05:40
monchy	33+ C weather here + humidity makes me want to die	05:40
monchy	too hot and sticky	05:40
Tm_T	monchy: I know the feeling	05:41
Kamping_Kaiser	lol	05:41
Tm_T	even a motorcycle can't ceep it cool :/	05:41
Tm_T	yeah, you push it over 100mph ans still it's too hot :/	05:42
monchy	we had days so hot last year you could cook an egg on a slab of stone -.-	05:42
Tm_T	haha	05:42
Tm_T	monchy: you should move to Finland ;)	05:42
crimsun	nmorse: rochester :)	05:42
Tm_T	we have nice weather(tm)	05:42
monchy	no way, it may be hot but i love canada ;p	05:42
Tm_T	haha	05:42
monchy	besides i could never give up the beer	05:43
Kamping_Kaiser	heh	05:43
Tm_T	monchy: ...so you don't know Finland ;)	05:43
monchy	is the beer good there?	05:43
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Tm_T	well, I think so	05:43
Kamping_Kaiser	yes it it good ;)	05:43
nmorse	Needles, Arizona	05:44
nmorse	That's one hot area	05:44
monchy	hm, aren't there alot of big snakes in arizona?	05:44
nmorse	yeah	05:44
nmorse	Real big snakes	05:45
monchy	:x	05:45
nmorse	We have some here in OK too	05:45
Kamping_Kaiser	:)	05:45
nmorse	Not many snakes in Canada?	05:45
monchy	just missisauga rattlers lol	05:45
monchy	oh and black widow spiders	05:45
nmorse	Bah, I'll send you a snake in the mail	05:45
monchy	noooo	05:45
Tm_T	wolfes <3	05:45
nmorse	Saw two in the water at Lake Tenkiller	05:46
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Tm_T	forest <3	05:46
nmorse	More copperheads and King Snakes on the side of the road	05:46
monchy	black mamba	05:46
Tm_T	ok, breakfast ->	05:46
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nmorse	Australia: the land where if anything bites you, you die	05:46
monchy	saw that on crocodile hunter scared the crap outta me lol	05:46
Kamping_Kaiser	wee :)	05:47
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monchy	do you gotta check your shoes and sheets and stuff livin in australia?	05:47
Kamping_Kaiser	depends where you live. not in the city so much.	05:48
Kamping_Kaiser	also depends how you keep your house ;)	05:48
nmorse	Do they really just shoot camels as pests down there?	05:48
nmorse	Or sell them to foolish rich Arabs?	05:48
Kamping_Kaiser	shoot them	05:48
Kamping_Kaiser	they are a pest	05:49
Kamping_Kaiser	and rabbits	05:49
Kamping_Kaiser	and foxes	05:49
Kamping_Kaiser	cats arnt shot, but should be	05:49
nmorse	So Australians just shoot camels and rabbits on sight?	05:49
monchy	:o	05:49
nmorse	That's good	05:49
nmorse	I'll send some PETA people down there dressed as camels	05:49
Kamping_Kaiser	not quite on site...	05:50
Kamping_Kaiser	not man y ppl see cammels	05:50
monchy	i think i'd rather see camels and rabbits than snakes and spiders lol	05:51
Kamping_Kaiser	dont forget Aus is a big place	05:51
nmorse	So, wallabies, what's up with that?	05:51
Kamping_Kaiser	heh. and i would rather see snakes and spiders	05:51
Kamping_Kaiser	they bounce	05:51
monchy	but they can kill you	05:51
nmorse	And why do Australians claim Koalas are nice, cuddly animals? They've got 6-inch razor claws and can leap 10 feet through the air.	05:53
nmorse	I wouldn't touch a koala	05:53
Tm_T	would you eat one?	05:53
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thoreauputic	nmorse: a koala is more likely to piss on you than kill you :)	05:54
nmorse	Really?	05:54
Kamping_Kaiser	lol. what he said	05:54
nmorse	I wouldn't touch a koala	05:54
Kamping_Kaiser	they are cool.... but if it pisses on you, throw away the clothes	05:54
thoreauputic	nmorse: they sleep mostly, anyway, afaics	05:54
nmorse	Can't get koala urine smell out?	05:54
Kamping_Kaiser	yes, after weeeeeeksss	05:55
nmorse	Right, throw the clothes out	05:55
nmorse	All the poisonous stuff is clearly why penguins never made it to Australia	05:56
Kamping_Kaiser	wtf????	05:56
nmorse	Penguins made it to every other southern hemisphere continent	05:56
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nmorse	Africa, Antarctica, South America	05:57
nmorse	Even the Galapagos Islands have penguins	05:57
nmorse	But not Australia	05:57
Kamping_Kaiser	growls we have penguins.	05:58
nmorse	Really?	05:58
nmorse	I've never heard of an Australian penguin	05:58
Kamping_Kaiser	yes.	05:58
Kamping_Kaiser	fairy penguins	05:58
nmorse	I'll look those up	05:58
Kamping_Kaiser	and some of the sothern islands have bigger penguins	05:59
nmorse	Hmm, I wonder why I haven't heard of them before	05:59
nmorse	I always think it's funny when some South American idiot thinks the penguin on the beach is hopelessly lost and sticks it in the bathtub in ice water	06:00
Kamping_Kaiser	LOL	06:00
nmorse	They invariably die, and the local wildlife expert puts out another press release	06:00
nmorse	Happens at least once a month in Brazil	06:00
Kamping_Kaiser	omg. shakes head	06:01
monchy	poor poor penguins	06:01
Consty	nmorse: I'm curious, you're a programmer right?	06:01
Tm_T	uhm, maybe I pick up some other Kubuntu torrents too...	06:02
nmorse	Somewhat of one, yes	06:02
Consty	What kind of stuff do you work on?	06:02
nmorse	Right now, I'm working on a KDE Jabber client	06:02
nmorse	I hate kopete, and hate GTK2 even more	06:02
Consty	what you using? qt?	06:03
nmorse	I figure a proper KDE client with DCOP support, etc. would be a Good Thing	06:03
nmorse	QT and the KDE libraries	06:03
Consty	nice.. ever make any games?	06:03
nmorse	No, can't say that I have	06:03
nmorse	Probably what I'll go into after college though	06:04
Consty	Ah, just checking. That's what I do for a hobby.	06:04
nmorse	Looking at doing Strategy and RPG mostly	06:04
nmorse	What kind of games do you write?	06:04
nmorse	Kamping_Kaiser: those little fairy penguins are neat	06:04
nmorse	funny little tourist birds, eh?	06:04
Kamping_Kaiser	yep :) kinda cute	06:04
Kamping_Kaiser	yes	06:04
Consty	I released a pretty small online rpg in 2001	06:04
Consty	I had a decent following, ~2000 accounts	06:05
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Tm_T	oh, Penguins in Africa ;)	06:05
Tm_T	oh yes there is	06:05
nmorse	Yeah, some of them found their way to the Tulsa Zoo here	06:05
nmorse	I like to go watch the penguins	06:05
Tm_T	some day Penguins konquer the world	06:05
Tm_T	;)	06:05
nmorse	I'm probably going to buy a zoo membership to keep this habit up	06:06
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Tm_T	nooooo	06:06
nmorse	what's the "nooooo" about?	06:06
Kamping_Kaiser	yeh	06:06
Tm_T	root: little tip for you, don't irc as root ;)	06:06
Consty	nmorse: It was pretty cool, it was a clone of final fantasy 4 for snes but online	06:06
Tm_T	ah, he's gone already	06:06
Kamping_Kaiser	lol.	06:06
Kamping_Kaiser	yeh. didnt notice that tm_t	06:07
nmorse	nice, Consty	06:07
Tezkah	haha	06:07
nmorse	Kamping_Kaiser: I see those fairy penguins are what bit Linus Torvalds	06:07
Consty	Want to see a couple old screenshots?	06:07
nmorse	Sure	06:07
Kamping_Kaiser	nmorese yes... so we do have penguins :)	06:08
nmorse	We owe those little Australian birds a lot apparently, meaning time to catch one and bring it here	06:08
Consty	http://mirage_online.tripod.com/shot1.gif shot2.gif and shot3.gif these are really old	06:08
Consty	I since sold the game, that was back when I got fed up with Windows and switched to Linux.	06:09
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scanwinder	does anyone know how to set up a Lucent Microelectronics V.92 56K Winmodem?	06:10
Kamping_Kaiser	try grabing scanmodem	06:10
Kamping_Kaiser	and finding what driver it recomends	06:10
nmorse	Why did you use FF4 for a base?	06:10
scanwinder	i ran it on it	06:10
Kamping_Kaiser	bbl food.	06:10
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nmorse	Don't eat a penguin	06:11
scanwinder	lol	06:11
Consty	nmorse: I'm horrible at graphics, and it was easy to do screenshots and crop out ff4's tiles.	06:11
nmorse	Ah, you just need to get a graphic artist to help you out	06:11
Tm_T	hmm	06:11
nmorse	You write the engine, they do the art, you split the profit (which is nil for open source software)	06:12
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Consty	Well I'm working on a new one using C++/SDL, an online version of River City Ransom	06:12
nmorse	Ooh, tasty penguin	06:13
Tm_T	=)	06:13
nmorse	I often wonder if it a $4 chicken tastes pretty good, what a $1500 penguin would taste like	06:13
nmorse	And then I figure it's a lot like Spotted Owl and Bald Eagle	06:14
Consty	nmorse why didn't you like kopete again	06:27
Tm_T	hmm, Kopete :/	06:28
Consty	is it just the interface that sucks?	06:29
Tm_T	Gaim is good :)	06:29
Tm_T	Consty: thats one	06:29
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nmorse	Yeah, the interface	06:31
Consty	but its functional.. everything works? file transfers, direct connection and such for aim?	06:31
nmorse	I don't know about AIM	06:34
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Consty	thanks :)	06:36
Tm_T	Consty: it's third time this month	06:37
Consty	it's nice of you	06:37
Tm_T	I can't even make this to login =)	06:37
Tm_T	haha	06:38
Consty	that bad eh?	06:38
Tm_T	ok, now I love this =)	06:39
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Tm_T	heh, nice "feature" ;)	06:40
nmorse	I think I'm going to open the USA's first penguin ranch	06:40
nmorse	And raise Penguins	06:40
Tm_T	haha	06:40
nmorse	Sell em as pets	06:40
Tm_T	for food too?	06:40
nmorse	Big Macaroni Penguins with the beer bellies	06:40
Tm_T	haha	06:40
nmorse	Beer Buddy Penguins TM	06:40
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nmorse	Impeccably Dressed!	06:41
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nmorse	Great Lawn Ornaments too!	06:41
nmorse	I'm telling you, I could make money off of this idea	06:42
nmorse	9 million breeding pairs of Macaroni penguins out there	06:42
nmorse	No one would even notice a couple hundred headed for the U.S.	06:42
monchy	george dubya would see that and make another exscuse to go to war lol	06:43
nmorse	We must acquire more penguins from South Georgia!	06:43
nmorse	They have WMDs!	06:43
monchy	lol	06:44
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Tm_T	Consty: ha!	06:51
Tm_T	Consty: looks like KDE wallet is broken...	06:51
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Tm_T	Consty: aaah!	07:07
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Tm_T	nice thing	07:15
nmorse	thepenguinconspiracy.com	07:15
nmorse	looks odd, talks about penguins taking over the world	07:16
Tm_T	looks like I have broken KDED	07:16
Tm_T	nmorse: aha! what I said!	07:16
NothingButYou	hello all!	07:16
Tm_T	hullo	07:17
Kaiser_away	hi	07:17
Kaiser_away	bye ;)	07:18
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nmorse	broken KDED?	07:30
Tm_T	hmm,	07:32
Tm_T	yup	07:32
Tm_T	I can't use Kwallet(and so Kopete is useless) or any KDE Daemons(?)	07:32
nmorse	I am amazed Tm_T	07:34
nmorse	And now, I take my leave	07:34
Tm_T	:)	07:34
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bmarkby	Hi	07:42
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emoboy	hello	07:48
emoboy	<- in search of a bit of help, if anyone is up for it	07:48
Tm_T	ok?	07:49
emoboy	well i am having a problem starting the xserver. i installed kubuntu with no problem, logged in, and then when i startx, it throws me an error and wont start x	07:49
Tm_T	hmh	07:50
emoboy	for various reasons, each time differe eg "no core pointer" or messed up display settings	07:50
emoboy	its an older lappie, so i could have just screwed sometin up	07:50
Tm_T	sorry, too complicated at the moment :/	07:51
Tm_T	can't think	07:51
emoboy	hrm its ok	07:51
NothingButYou	emoboy: checkout the /var/logs/Xorg*.log	07:53
NothingButYou	look for a line beginning with E which means error	07:54
NothingButYou	am.. /var/log :) sorry	07:54
emoboy	ok, ill type it out	07:54
emoboy	ok, the first EE is "Couldnt load XKB keymap"	07:57
NothingButYou	so go to the /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change it :)	07:57
NothingButYou	suppose you want the "us" one? or .. smth for your country	07:58
Troublesome	i just got kubuntu working on my powerbook G4 only two things that arent awesome ...no wireless and not much sound hehehe	07:58
emoboy	thats all the errors, but there was a bunch of warnings and a fatal error about default font "fixed"	07:58
NothingButYou	let's fix the xkb, then the rest	07:58
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emoboy	ok ill look at the xorg.conf and see what the XKB is set too, although i pretty sure i just set it as us with the -dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg thing	07:59
NothingButYou	hm.. as long as it gives errors .. it's not right :}	08:00
emoboy	thats what i thought too. ill look and report what it says.	08:00
NothingButYou	Troublesome: congrats but.. can't help with that.. No macs around :)	08:00
NothingButYou	ok	08:00
Troublesome	:)	08:00
mikere	I downloaded the live cd from the web site and checked the md5sum (was good) and have now burned 3 CD's that don't appear work. When I check integrity I get an error. The size of the data on the burned CD is same as the size of the ISO - any ideas?	08:01
NothingButYou	mikere: sure you're booting from a cdrom?	08:01
emoboy	burn at a lower speed, that happened to me too	08:01
NothingButYou	emoboy: you may xorgconfig if you don't want to fight with config	08:01
mikere	NothingButYou: certain that I am - I get the kubuntu splash screen, start booting the live cd, select language, get the following integrity check error (next line)	08:02
NothingButYou	hm... yea, burn at a lower speed :) and may the power be with your cd-rom/dvd-rom	08:02
NothingButYou	:}	08:02
mikere	integrity check failed: /pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/acpi-modules-2.6.10-5-386-di_2.6.10-34.i386.udeb	08:03
mikere	or something very close to that	08:03
emoboy	i tried the xorgconfig....heres what the file says : XKBrules = "xorg" Model = "pc104" Layout = "us"	08:03
mikere	Copying the file to another box with a burner and trying that one I guess	08:03
emoboy	model seems a bit off, although i dont know what to set it to	08:04
NothingButYou	no leave it as is	08:04
NothingButYou	it should run	08:04
emoboy	i know it should,,, but ???	08:04
NothingButYou	same errors?	08:04
emoboy	ill try startx again	08:04
NothingButYou	try xinit instead	08:05
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NothingButYou	mikere: burn the iso at about 8x .. maybe that'll help.. Sometimes:)	08:05
emoboy	tried both, same error both times...the XKB and the font error	08:06
emoboy	at the bottom it says...	08:06
NothingButYou	hmm.. strange..	08:06
emoboy	fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X Server blah blah blah	08:06
NothingButYou	yea.. that's logical	08:06
NothingButYou	mmm.. hoary I suppose?	08:07
emoboy	yes im using the latest	08:07
mikere	NothingButYou: my burner doesn't like these blanks I think - won't burn em over 8x - have tried 8x and 4x on tihs box, gonna try other box next	08:07
NothingButYou	no breezy updates I hope? :)	08:07
emoboy	nothing updated i just dled the iso and installed	08:08
NothingButYou	ahym, alright	08:08
NothingButYou	can you give me your X logfile please?	08:08
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mikere	And.... burning on my other box leads to a good burn and now booting up kubuntu for the first time.	08:20
mikere	Seeing a new distro is always exciting	08:20
Tm_T	haha	08:21
Tm_T	first thing, add new repositories	08:22
Tm_T	http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/temp/sources.list-temp check some hints from there	08:22
mikere	Tm_T: just using live cd for starters - see it first, then dedicate some hdd space	08:22
Tm_T	ok	08:22
Tm_T	that live-CD sucks	08:22
Tm_T	my desktop: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_045.png	08:24
emoboy	nice i like it	08:25
Tm_T	yeah	08:25
Tm_T	selfmade/edited backgrounds, icons, etc etc	08:25
emoboy	i still cant get this to work :/	08:26
Tm_T	"if you can modify it, modify it"	08:26
NothingButYou	let's see if I can get to work HalfLife...	08:27
Tm_T	bah	08:28
Tm_T	I'm gonna uninstall cedega	08:28
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emoboy	if i cant get kubuntu to work, any other distros you could suggest?	08:28
NothingButYou	:} I've just apt-got wine.. MS Office's installer sux as usual...	08:28
emoboy	would ubuntu have similar problems, or whould i veer away towards mandrake etc?	08:29
NothingButYou	there's no much differents betw U and K(ubuntu)	08:29
NothingButYou	difference.	08:29
Tm_T	emoboy: Debian <3	08:29
NothingButYou	:)	08:29
emoboy	yeah i figured that	08:29
emoboy	honestly, shall i try it:	08:29
emoboy	?	08:29
Tm_T	Debian!	08:30
NothingButYou	try it :)	08:30
Tm_T	Debian \o/	08:30
emoboy	ok, then Debian it is!	08:30
NothingButYou	it may work! :)	08:30
emoboy	i got spare CD's, and spare time	08:30
NothingButYou	especially on your laptop	08:30
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emoboy	io dont want to go back to damn small linux :////	08:30
Tm_T	Debian Testing <3	08:30
NothingButYou	Tm_T the day before yesterday it was a Gentoo day for me... yesterday was the Gentoo-crack day...	08:31
NothingButYou	today is the Kubuntu-again :)	08:31
Tm_T	haha	08:31
Tm_T	well, it won't be Gentoo day for me ever	08:31
emoboy	howmany cds is debian	08:32
NothingButYou	maan.. 20 hours of compilation are worth it ..	08:32
ilba7r	any one know how to configue a wirless card broadcom BCM4306 802.11b/g wirless controller	08:32
mikere	Welp, live CD boots up to a completely black screen - any hints?	08:32
NothingButYou	but then...	08:32
mikere	Black screen after going through all the boot up stuff, that is - think it's trying to start x	08:32
NothingButYou	emoboy: 7-8.. depends :)	08:32
mikere	Hm, looks like complete hardware lockup - no cap lock or num lock key lights working	08:33
NothingButYou	Tm_T should now better :)	08:33
NothingButYou	mikere what machine are you trying to run this CD	08:33
Tm_T	emoboy: you need only 6 floppies or first cd	08:33
emoboy	omg 7 cds...i dunno about that then	08:33
emoboy	why only ist cd?	08:33
Tm_T	you apt-get the rest if you need =)	08:34
Tm_T	you have internet for that you silly girl	08:34
emoboy	no network though :/ silly boy	08:34
Tm_T	haha	08:34
emoboy	:)	08:34
NothingButYou	then 6-7 cds :}	08:34
emoboy	lol	08:34
Tm_T	then take... well, three first	08:34
Tm_T	I think there's most	08:35
mikere	NothingButYou: Athlon 2000+, radeon 9000 pro, asus a7n8x mobo	08:35
Tm_T	and full debian set is more like 15 cds	08:35
Tm_T	beat that MS!	08:35
NothingButYou	mikere: strange ..	08:35
emoboy	should i try Mepis?	08:36
Tm_T	hmm	08:36
emoboy	built on Debian	08:36
NothingButYou	emoboy: it's good one..	08:36
Tm_T	yes, but it's not Debian	08:36
mikere	NothingButYou: wonder if I should try noapic nolapic	08:36
NothingButYou	mikere: well try noapic but .. :) dunno	08:36
mikere	haha, can't hurt anyway	08:36
NothingButYou	emoboy: which distro runs on that Presario?	08:38
NothingButYou	lamedrake?	08:38
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emoboy	ive been running Damn Small linux, but i need something better	08:38
mikere	DSL is very nice for lower spec machines	08:38
emoboy	yeah, true	08:39
NothingButYou	mm slack..	08:39
NothingButYou	but try mepis :)	08:39
emoboy	im burning mepis now, ill try it	08:39
NothingButYou	and before that ask someone else for you problem cause ubuntu's better :}	08:39
emoboy	ask in #ubuntu?	08:40
NothingButYou	well.. you may try...	08:40
NothingButYou	if google doesn't help	08:40
emoboy	they sent me here after ignoring me :/	08:40
mikere	Hm. Doesn't want to work on my other box, think I'll reboot this one and boot with the live cd. Night for now, all	08:40
emoboy	cya	08:41
NothingButYou	cya:}	08:41
emoboy	ive tried a bunch on this lappie...vector, DSL, XandrOS	08:42
emoboy	mandrake	08:42
NothingButYou	and how's vector	08:43
NothingButYou	:}	08:43
emoboy	horrid	08:43
NothingButYou	:}	08:43
emoboy	actually it aint bad but i couldnt configure it with my monitor	08:43
emoboy	image quality was bad	08:43
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scanwinder	is apollon in kubuntu?	08:44
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emoboy	here we go with mepis...:/	08:46
NothingButYou	scanwinder: it was as far as I remember	08:47
NothingButYou	emoboy: go :P	08:47
NothingButYou	I'll brb	08:47
emoboy	k	08:47
scanwinder	how do i install it then?	08:48
emoboy	ooo i think my old lappie is in love with mepis, seems to be booting fine from LiveCD	08:50
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scanwinder	i tried installing it using arkollon but i got the following error	08:52
scanwinder	* configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!	08:52
scanwinder	***** Return value 1	08:52
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scanwinder	wait, i think i found a fix	08:55
NothingButYou	scanwinder: apt-get install apollon	08:56
NothingButYou	ot use kynaptic/synaptic	08:57
emoboy	omg this is wonderful	08:58
NothingButYou	install and reboot then we'll talk about it :}	08:58
emoboy	lol	08:58
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\sh	what is apollon?	09:02
Tm_T	hey \sh	09:03
\sh	moins Tm_T	09:04
\sh	uh..sorry..good morning Tm_T :)	09:04
Tm_T	\sh: have you heard anything about KDED ?	09:04
\sh	Tm_T: what about it?	09:04
Tm_T	looks like mine doesn't work	09:04
\sh	what is not working?	09:04
Tm_T	well, whole KDED thing, so KDE wallet doesn't work so Kopete doesn't work...	09:05
\sh	hmm...no...this works for me here...new install of kubuntu with update packages to 3.4.1	09:05
Tm_T	heh	09:06
Tm_T	so it's just mine "great" test sessions ;)	09:06
Tm_T	ok, so I'll reboot soon	09:06
Tm_T	I think that'll fix it	09:06
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emoboy	installing now...	09:07
Tm_T	amu: mepis?	09:07
Tm_T	emoboy:	09:07
emoboy	yep	09:07
Tm_T	damn, I have to train my kb accuration	09:07
emoboy	lol	09:07
Tm_T	yeah, reboot once a week isn't that bad idea whan install/uninstalling heavy ->	09:08
emoboy	the liveCD install is going damn slow on this QUAD speed cd reader	09:08
NothingButYou	on the seventh day God has brought a new laptop	09:10
emoboy	haha i wish/hope	09:10
Tm_T	hmm	09:14
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Tm_T	let's see	09:18
Tm_T	yeah	09:18
Tm_T	reboot helped =)	09:18
Tm_T	looks like something KDED related just have crashed in background	09:19
KaiL_	it always exists, if you restart hal	09:20
Tm_T	yeah	09:22
Tm_T	hmm just why that one app keeps running on start, have to find it and kill it at once...	09:23
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Tm_Nuada	yeah	09:29
emoboy	85%	09:32
emoboy	done	09:32
Tm_Nuada	hmh, Kopete :/	09:32
Tm_Nuada	Jethro Tull - Rocks On The Road	09:33
Tm_Nuada	I'll take a pic, so smile ;)	09:33
scanwinder	when i go apt-get install apollon, it cant find it	09:34
scanwinder	do i need 2 add a particular repository?	09:34
Tm_Nuada	maybe	09:34
scanwinder	does any1 know of any repositories that have it?	09:34
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scanwinder	ive been trying to install it using arkollon........but i keep gettin the following error	09:37
scanwinder	checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl	09:37
scanwinder	* configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!	09:37
scanwinder	can any1 help with that?	09:38
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Tm_Nuada	yes	09:39
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Tm_Nuada	apt-get install libqt3-headers libqt3-dev	09:40
Tm_Nuada	that will give you a good start	09:40
wallpaper11	nature-girl	09:44
Tm_T	which one you would use ;) http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/irssi-kopete-gaim.png	09:45
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scanwinder	libqt3-dev has depends on libqt3c102	09:48
scanwinder	and that wont install	09:48
Tm_Nuada	ehm	09:48
scanwinder	like nothing 2do with qt3 will install	09:48
Tm_Nuada	sleeeep ->	09:49
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scanwinder	sleep?	09:49
scanwinder	i tried sleeping once........big mistake	09:50
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Tm_T	yeah	09:52
Tm_T	I just quitted my third irssi in here, no use	09:53
Chislon	hi, could i get some help figuring out partitions	09:55
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brosio	hi	10:06
brosio	how could i automount my dvd rom ?	10:07
Chislon	is it correct that linx can read NFTS and that you can get a prog for windows to read ext2, and that if i do then there is no need for a file sharing fat32 partition? and if so, is it then advisable to do it this way over doing a fat32 partition? please say my name in response so i can find it easier if you would, thank you	10:11
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scanwinder	how do i install qt3-dev? in kynaptic when i try to select it, it selects a whole lot of other packages except it and when i go2 install them, they wont install	10:25
scanwinder	any1 know why?	10:29
Tm_T	Chislon: it's better to just use fat32	10:32
Chislon	ok, thank you	10:32
Tm_T	well, at least I think so	10:33
Tm_T	10G fat32 partition in 160G HD doesn't harm much	10:34
Chislon	well	10:35
Chislon	i have like 55 gig	10:36
Chislon	about 12-13 used up in windows already	10:36
Chislon	not sure how to divy it all up	10:36
Chislon	i want to do programming, and 2d/3d graphics/animation, gonna start programming wiht learning python, using blender for 3d, was thinking of doing flash for 2d..	10:36
Chislon	but not sure how to split up my drive	10:36
Chislon	i was thinking of doing / and /home seperate	10:36
Tm_T	well, I suggest to have separate HD for linux	10:36
Tm_T	80G doesn't cost much anymore	10:37
Chislon	its a laptop	10:37
Tm_T	not even 160	10:37
Tm_T	ah	10:37
Tm_T	then it's harder though...	10:37
Chislon	how do you mean	10:37
Tm_T	I mean upgrading ;)	10:37
Chislon	oh heh heh ya	10:37
Tm_T	20 for win, 25 for linux (not enough in future I afraid), 1-2 for swap and rest for fat32 :p	10:38
Chislon	can you recommend how to split it up?	10:38
Chislon	oops sorry	10:38
Tm_T	something like that maybe	10:39
Tm_T	and I bet you can cut down that window partition more	10:39
Tm_T	windowS :p	10:39
Tm_T	there's usually 2G shit in windir	10:39
Chislon	ok, its got about 12-13 on i tnow... oh	10:39
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Tm_T	I normally clean 5G temps etc from windows partitions =)	10:40
Chislon	nice	10:40
Chislon	if im going to do / and /home sperate, how much gigs for / and how much for /home	10:41
Tm_T	at least 5G	10:41
Tm_T	/ at least 5G	10:41
Chislon	and in the ubuntu installer do i need to know more then just that / goes in one an /home in the other, im new to linux so i dont know what all goes where, somebody told me once but i dont remember or know if it was everything	10:41
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Tm_T	hmh, maybe then I'm not the right one to explain, I'm veeery tired (no sleep last night) so I'm not in my sharpest knive	10:42
Chislon	ok, so then the ubuntu installer doenst just set it up to easily be / or /home?	10:42
Chislon	if not perhaps id best just do it all as one..	10:42
Tm_T	it supposed to ask them nicely ;)	10:43
Chislon	heh heh ok	10:43
Chislon	will the ubuntu installer set up the fat32 space, i think someone told me it would, but i want to double check	10:43
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scanwinder	installing apollon, im getting the following error	10:43
scanwinder	configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!	10:43
scanwinder	when i go2 install libqt3c102 in kynaptic, it wont let me select it	10:43
NothingButYou	scanwinder: which repositories are u using?	10:44
scanwinder	the default ones..........	10:44
scanwinder	which shoult i be using?	10:45
NothingButYou	you should add universe and multiverse if you have not done that	10:45
NothingButYou	I suppose..	10:45
scanwinder	what are the apt lines for those?	10:45
NothingButYou	just add "universe multiverse" to the "main restricted" lines	10:46
NothingButYou	and btw apollon is in the repositories of Ubuntu..	10:46
NothingButYou	you don't have to build it	10:46
scanwinder	oh ok	10:47
Chislon	what do you think of doing 8 for / and 17 for /home and 8 for fat32?	10:48
NothingButYou	I'm 5 / 5 /home 6 /fat32 + 6 /music on fat32	10:48
_Church_of_FoamY	OMG!!! stupid popups	10:49
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NothingButYou	but if you're going to do programming leave more space for the / :)	10:49
Chislon	ok, is 8 good u think?	10:51
Chislon	or not enough	10:51
NothingButYou	well.. I suppose so	10:52
NothingButYou	:}	10:52
Chislon	lol well should i do more?	10:53
NothingButYou	/ -8 , /home - 20 , swap 1-2, rest - do what you want :)	10:53
Chislon	ok thank you	10:53
NothingButYou	well you may / 10 :)	10:53
NothingButYou	but I think 8 is fine	10:53
Chislon	ok, thank you	10:53
NothingButYou	welcome :)	10:54
NothingButYou	and.. since you're new.. to linux ? right?	10:54
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Chislon	yes	10:55
NothingButYou	do you know what type of linux partition you prefer or ? :)	10:55
Chislon	nope	10:55
Chislon	is that reffering to ext2/3? or if not then i dont knwo what thtat means	10:55
NothingButYou	well ext3 or reiserfs. I prefer reiser	10:55
Chislon	i dont know what the idfference is	10:56
NothingButYou	Tm_T is / on reiser and /home on ext3 good choice?	10:56
NothingButYou	I mean.. you can access ext3 just fine from windoze...	10:56
NothingButYou	Chislon - ext2 is bad because in case of system failure it should be .. checked.. (ScanDisk remember?)	10:58
NothingButYou	ext3 and reiserfs does not have to	10:58
NothingButYou	reiserfs is better cause of a little more speed	10:58
Chislon	oh	10:58
Chislon	will the ubuntu install ask me which i want?	10:59
NothingButYou	ext3 is accessed from windows easy :)	10:59
NothingButYou	yes	10:59
Chislon	oh ok	10:59
NothingButYou	try / on reiser and /home on ext3 :)	10:59
Chislon	ok i might try to get a little more info on them first or ask some others also, just to see if thats ok	10:59
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NothingButYou	well for me this choice works just fine, no problems at all :)	11:00
Tm_T	NothingButYou: I use only ext3, reiserfs have some bugs (our main servers fileserver went down week ago because it)	11:00
NothingButYou	ok, then choose ext3 :)	11:00
Chislon	ok	11:00
Chislon	thank you	11:00
Tm_T	yeah	11:01
Chislon	do i set up all my partitions before running the ubuntu install	11:01
NothingButYou	yes	11:01
Chislon	or do i just shrink my windows one and then let the ubuntu install do the rest	11:01
Tm_T	ok, but I gotta go ->	11:01
NothingButYou	cya Tm_T:)	11:01
NothingButYou	Chislon:	11:01
Chislon	by Tm_T and thank you for your help	11:01
NothingButYou	mm... you'd better shrink it before you do an install	11:02
Chislon	but do i set up the others too	11:02
NothingButYou	no	11:02
Chislon	ok	11:02
Chislon	thank you	11:02
NothingButYou	shrinking will delete the rest of your HDD and leave space for Ubuntu to work on :)	11:02
Chislon	ok kool	11:02
Chislon	thank you for your help	11:03
NothingButYou	am..	11:03
Chislon	im gonna go resize and then possibly install or go to bed heh heh	11:03
NothingButYou	what are you going to shrink it with? :)	11:03
Chislon	partition manager, cuz im not gonna payh for a prog	11:03
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NothingButYou	erm.. the other choice is LiveCD with QTParted (Knoppix)	11:04
NothingButYou	but .. you know better :}	11:04
_Church_of_FoamY	i am so getting one of those	11:04
Chislon	i think i heard that doing it not from windows could have problems	11:04
scanwinder	i just got apollon working........but no icons are showing in it.......any idea why?	11:04
NothingButYou	emm.. ok, do it from windows :}	11:05
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NothingButYou	scanwinder: from source or from kynaptic?	11:06
scanwinder	kynaptic	11:06
Chislon	ok thank you for your help gonna go try^^	11:06
NothingButYou	scanwinder: I've got no idea, haven't used it	11:07
scanwinder	infact icons in other things arent working in other things either,......im gunna reboot lol	11:07
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_Church_of_FoamY	does linux have a popup blocker yet?	11:08
NothingButYou	do you have firefox installed...	11:08
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_Church_of_FoamY	yea but there are popups getting through	11:08
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Chislon	anyone here that knows about windows?	11:09
NothingButYou	hehe Chislon	11:09
NothingButYou	I don't think you can resize from it's manager..	11:10
Chislon	currently i have my windows partition, then after it there is about 8mb of "free space" when i shrink windows to make room for ubuntu, then that free sapce becomes bigger, but that 8 mb of freespace is neccesary info for windows to start... so how do i keep that and not have ubuntu mess it up?	11:10
Chislon	heh heh its a program called partition manager	11:10
Chislon	Paragon Partition manager	11:10
NothingButYou	am.. yea	11:10
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Chislon	am?	11:10
NothingButYou	heh I'm excited :p	11:11
Chislon	why	11:11
Chameleon22	i have noticed that after I lock the screen and live my machine unattended for a while it logs me out... is there a reason to that. Its freaking annoying!	11:11
NothingButYou	it should not do that..	11:13
NothingButYou	mayb X is crashing..	11:14
Chameleon22	hrrmm	11:14
Chameleon22	i have noticed konquerer crashing quiet often after KDE libs update was issued a month or so ago	11:15
NothingButYou	upgrade to 3.4.1	11:15
NothingButYou	see the topic	11:15
Chameleon22	NothingButYou: is that it ?>>> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main	11:16
NothingButYou	yes	11:17
Chameleon22	NothingButYou: okies will do, thanx for the tip... i should really read the topics lol	11:17
NothingButYou	:}	11:18
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Chameleon22	NothingButYou: fuck me, need like 100+MB bah !	11:19
NothingButYou	erm.. that's for upgrading	11:20
Chameleon22	seems like it	11:20
Chameleon22	then getting ... "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!"	11:20
Chameleon22	so hit No	11:20
Chameleon22	hrmmm	11:20
NothingButYou	am... no need to "no" :)	11:21
NothingButYou	they're safe :)	11:21
Chameleon22	why couldnt it auth the pkg?	11:21
Chameleon22	oh god my grammar is horroble	11:21
NothingButYou	np :}	11:21
Chameleon22	lol	11:21
Chameleon22	np if i didnt live in an english speaking country lol	11:22
Chameleon22	but i do	11:22
Chameleon22	thats what happens when you code all day	11:22
NothingButYou	well.. there's a gpg key.. but .. there packages are not in the official repository I guess something like that :)	11:22
Chameleon22	forget real english	11:22
NothingButYou	Chameleon22: go get some lessons :p	11:22
Chameleon22	NothingButYou: oh well will give it a go	11:22
Chameleon22	i dont want lessons	11:22
NothingButYou	then communicate! :)	11:24
Chameleon22	and what am i doing now	11:24
Chameleon22	?	11:24
Chameleon22	Tzu lost ... breaks out in tears	11:24
Chameleon22	:'(	11:25
NothingButYou	hehe not with me :))) my english is bad :p	11:25
NothingButYou	but I've got an excuse :)	11:25
Chameleon22	where are you from?	11:25
NothingButYou	Bulgaria :)	11:25
Chameleon22	well i also have an excuse but its not good enough hehe	11:25
Chameleon22	ohh i been to Sofia about 12 years ago	11:25
Chameleon22	:)	11:25
Chameleon22	i mean i traveled there lol	11:26
NothingButYou	hehe :)	11:26
NothingButYou	it's the same dirty ol' town...	11:26
Chameleon22	i liked it	11:27
NothingButYou	I don't :)	11:27
Chameleon22	well whos problem is that	11:27
NothingButYou	mine, cause I can't be the mayor and clean it up! :)	11:28
Chameleon22	why not	11:28
NothingButYou	"mayor" was the chief of a town right?	11:28
Chameleon22	right	11:29
NothingButYou	mm.. hehe	11:29
Chameleon22	why not?	11:29
NothingButYou	cause nobody will choose me :)	11:29
Chameleon22	so make them choose you	11:29
NothingButYou	here you can only make people choose you if you've got money and power :)	11:29
NothingButYou	well I don't :}	11:30
NothingButYou	have	11:30
NothingButYou	:}	11:30
Chameleon22	why not	11:30
NothingButYou	after 30 years of programming I'll try :)	11:30
Chameleon22	why not now	11:31
NothingButYou	no money, no power:) no will.. :)	11:31
Chameleon22	why not	11:31
NothingButYou	hate politics :)	11:31
Chameleon22	why	11:31
laser_tk	:D	11:31
NothingButYou	stop that! :)	11:32
NothingButYou	just install KDE 3.4.1 ;P	11:32
NothingButYou	I prefer messing with PC's than with too-much-knowledged people around in this town:)	11:33
_Church_of_FoamY	pc's are nicer than most people i know	11:38
_Church_of_FoamY	O_o	11:38
_Church_of_FoamY	except when you blow your vid card like my box did this morning	11:39
NothingButYou	yes. they do what you tell them :)	11:39
Choubaka	... in most cases.	11:39
_Church_of_FoamY	:::nods:::	11:39
NothingButYou	in all cases! :)	11:39
Choubaka	I told my computer to start mplayer.	11:39
Choubaka	instead, it froze!	11:39
_Church_of_FoamY	second vid card this week	11:39
buz	i think the kde3.4.1 somehow fucked up kpdf	11:40
NothingButYou	well it tried to start it though :)	11:40
Choubaka	but it didn't succeed.	11:40
buz	some fonts display their characters much too close	11:40
Choubaka	:(	11:40
buz	printing is ok, though	11:40
NothingButYou	Choubaka: bad mplayer, bad, bad, sit down	11:40
Choubaka	My point is, bad hardware causes trouble.	11:41
Choubaka	So instead of working properly, your computer might do something else	11:41
_Church_of_FoamY	yup	11:41
_Church_of_FoamY	lke when yo blow 2 vidcards in a week :(	11:41
Choubaka	This is why I'm going to get an iBook soon :P	11:41
buz	u sure your psu isnt broken	11:42
_Church_of_FoamY	how does the ibook run kubuntu?	11:42
buz	yes	11:42
buz	only wlan doesnt have any drivers	11:42
Choubaka	I don't think I'm going to run Ubuntu on the iBook though.	11:42
buz	mhh some do	11:42
buz	osx is pretty but somewhat stubborn	11:43
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_Church_of_FoamY	i wanna get point2play	11:43
buz	if you dont like its ways, tough luck	11:43
_Church_of_FoamY	to run my games	11:43
Choubaka	Ubuntu is my choice for PC machines.	11:43
Choubaka	But soon I won't have any :/	11:43
scanwinder	all my desktop icons are all chunky and some icons in various programs arent showing up...........is there a package that deals with that??	11:43
Choubaka	Except if I keep this crappy half-working one as a fileserver.	11:44
_Church_of_FoamY	anyone know when point2play is gonna use paypal?	11:44
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_Church_of_FoamY	because all they take right now are credit cards and debit cards and i have niether	11:45
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Chislon	ok	11:46
Chislon	i cant get a free windows partitioner...	11:46
Chislon	how do i resize my windwos drive?	11:46
Choubaka	NTFS? :P	11:46
Chislon	yes	11:46
Choubaka	Hm	11:46
Choubaka	I guess there's ntfsresize	11:46
Choubaka	google for it	11:46
Chislon	ok, and thats something that has to be run from linux right? so how do i do that from a live cd?	11:47
scanwinder	bootit NG is a good partitioner,u can resize partitions with that	11:47
scanwinder	and its free	11:47
Chislon	can i run it in windows?	11:48
scanwinder	not in	11:49
scanwinder	it boots off a floppy	11:49
scanwinder	but it can resize ntfs and fat partitions	11:50
Chislon	ok, thank you	11:50
Chislon	someone said they think ubuntu's installer can do it?	11:50
Choubaka	dunno.	11:51
Chislon	heh eh maybe ill try..	11:51
shogouki	you can try qtparted	11:51
shogouki	hum qparted	11:51
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shogouki	but i dont know how it deals with ntfs	11:51
Chislon	ok...	11:51
Chislon	scanwinder, do you know if bootit ng preserves content?	11:52
scanwinder	yeh it does	11:52
scanwinder	its the best partitioner ive come across, its great	11:52
Chislon	ok, kool... so well i dont have a floppy drive	11:52
scanwinder	oh.......mayb u can do it off a cd	11:52
shogouki	do a backup before	11:53
Chislon	how long is it free for?	11:53
scanwinder	look around the site www.terabyteunlimited.com	11:53
Chislon	i just bakc up the files i need to be able to have right	11:53
scanwinder	um the partitioning bit of it is free..completely	11:53
Chislon	scanwinder, oh, well cuz at it it says purchase?	11:53
scanwinder	thats the bootloader thing in it	11:53
Chislon	ok..	11:54
scanwinder	http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/downloads/bootitng.zip	11:54
Chislon	thank you	11:54
scanwinder	is there a package in kde that deals with icons and stuff?? coz i installed apollon and now a whole lot of my icons dont appear.........was thinking it mite b 1 of the packages it uninstalled..........	11:55
scanwinder	and my desktop icons are now all chunky	11:56
Chislon	scanwinder, kool it should work from cd, thank you	11:57
scanwinder	if u use bootit ng, dont install the bootloader thing when it boots off it..........	11:57
scanwinder	just click no or sumthin and go into maintanance mode	11:58
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Chislon	ok	12:01
Chislon	thank you	12:01
NothingButYou	scanwinder: there is kde-icons...	12:02
_Church_of_FoamY	wow bittoreent is faster on linux than windows	12:02
shogouki`work	...	12:02
scanwinder	oh ok, thanks	12:02
Choubaka	Interesting. :D	12:03
NothingButYou	scanwinder: there is kde-artwork-icons	12:03
NothingButYou	:}	12:03
shogouki`work	enl@rge your donwload	12:03
NothingButYou	dunno which of these is installed..	12:03
NothingButYou	hahahah	12:03
_Church_of_FoamY	i don't think my speed can get any faster t3 on bittoreent	12:04
_Church_of_FoamY	me downloady very fast	12:04
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MoreFX	hi, I noticed a problem with the default config of xorg and hope to save others some trouble:	12:11
MoreFX	I installed Ubunto um a laptop with the ati igp 320	12:11
scanwinder	nar neither kde-icon or kde-artwork-icons fixed the prob	12:11
MoreFX	xopg uses the ati driver for graphic	12:11
scanwinder	even the checkboxes in kynaptic dont show up	12:11
MoreFX	with the igp 320 it crashes compleatly which is very frustrating because you never get to the end of the instalation :-(	12:12
MoreFX	changing to the default vesa-driver fixes the problem.	12:13
MoreFX	maybe it would be saver to have Ubuntu use the default driver for instalation ;-)	12:13
scanwinder	what package would have the checkboxes in kynaptic?	12:16
scanwinder	and the icons in apollon?	12:16
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=== Topic for #kubuntu: http://www.kubuntu.org/~amu/kubuntu-5.04.1-i386-live.iso \| KDE 3.4.1: deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main \| Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ http://kudos.berlios.de/ \| breezy broken for g++ and dbus fun
=== Topic (#kubuntu): set by amu at Wed Jun 1 01:11:46 2005
=== #kubuntu [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
(mikl/#kubuntu) scanwinder: sounds like you have some kind of breakage		12:49
(scanwinder/#kubuntu) and what should i do 2 fix this "breakage"		12:49
mikl	you could start by apt-get update && apt-get upgrade	12:50
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scanwinder	when i do that, its saying at the end E: could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)	12:54
scanwinder	E: unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?	12:54
scanwinder	....but i put sudo infront.....i typed sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade	12:54
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Tm_T	shut synaptic/kynaptic	12:54
scanwinder	its not open	12:54
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Dreumah	hi	12:57
Dreumah	my kvirc keeps crashing on me	12:57
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Tm_T	scanwinder: are you sure?	12:59
Tm_T	scanwinder: kpackage?	12:59
Tm_T	any other "package manager" ?	01:00
scanwinder	nope	01:00
scanwinder	ill try it again	01:00
scanwinder	still not working	01:00
scanwinder	sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade should do it right?	01:01
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scanwinder	non of the pictures on the buttons in kaffeine show up either	01:02
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scanwinder	do u think its sumthin 2do with libpng??	01:07
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Dreumah	hello i have a dependency issue and i dont know what to do	01:16
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scanwinder	i still have no icons and stuff like in Kaffeine, on the buttons, none of the pics r on them..........i think i updated libpng or sumthin...........can sum1 pleassse help me fix it	01:26
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Mez	hmm	01:35
Mez	I dnt seemt o get kaffeine to play a DVD	01:35
scanwinder	do u hav libdvdcss installed?	01:36
Mez	xine: cannot find input plugin for MRL [dvd:/]	01:36
Mez	xine: input plugin cannot open MRL [dvd:/]	01:36
Mez	xine: found input plugin : DVD Navigator	01:36
Mez	>>> Check if another program already uses PCM <<<	01:36
Mez	snd_pcm_open() failed:-16:Device or resource busy	01:36
Mez	I just sintalled libdvdcss btw	01:37
scanwinder	i really hav no idea lol.......im kinda a noob	01:38
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scanwinder	when i play dvd's with kaffeine, they always jerk and stuff, any1 know why that would b?	02:06
Tm_T	it's buggy kaffeine	02:07
laser_tk	use mplayer or ogle play dvd's	02:09
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Chislon_	hi, anyone here who can help me? i just finished the ubuntu install, durin git it asked me for a username, then a username with lowercase, then a password, the first username i made shows up in the right corner of the login in screen after it is // then the day and time, possibly date.... what are the two different user names? arnt i supposed to have a root one and a normal user one so i dont mess things up?	02:22
shogouki`work	there's no root account in ubuntu	02:23
segfault2k	ubuntu by default doesnt create a root account	02:23
segfault2k	but you can activate it	02:23
segfault2k	sudo passwd	02:23
segfault2k	:D	02:23
Chislon_	ok, well i dont know much about linux...	02:23
Chislon_	but i didnt make a passwd for it?	02:23
Chislon_	what then is the first name i entered?	02:23
Chislon_	and... dont u need a root account?	02:23
Chislon_	or how does it work now like this?	02:23
Chislon_	and if i wanted to add another user could i?	02:24
Chislon_	i dont want to but just wondering if its possible	02:24
shogouki`work	yes	02:24
shogouki`work	sudo kuser	02:24
Chislon_	?	02:25
Chislon_	sorry but can you explain please	02:25
astro76	Chislon_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo	02:26
Chislon_	thank you	02:26
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Chislon_	so with this set up, any user can have full root ability just by using sudo?	02:27
Chislon_	lol sorry	02:28
Chislon_	didnt read far enough	02:28
Chislon_	but as part of the admin group i can do anything the root user would be able to by using sudo?	02:28
astro76	basically	02:29
Chislon_	ok, so what then was the first name i enetered before i did my unsername?	02:29
\sh	Riddell: package-name: kubuntu-helpers, is it ok for u?	02:29
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Riddell	\sh: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts?	02:30
Chislon_	astro76, im a bit confused, it says that anyone made after the initial user is by default not in the admin group(to my understanding meaning cant do sudo to be root like ) but then it says all ubuntu users should use sudo... ? can u please help me understand	02:30
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Riddell	Chislon_: you should add them to the 'admin' group if you want then to be able to sudo	02:32
Chislon_	Riddell, ok thank you, can you tell me during the install what the first name i entered was, as the second name is my username, and had to be all lowercase right? and then then it asked for the password for that user... but what was the first name i entered?	02:33
Riddell	Chislon_: it's the "full name field" which you can find in /etc/passwd it isn't much used	02:33
Chislon_	Riddell, i dont really know what that means i guess, what kind of things is it used for? and besides that it just gets displayed in the right corner of the login screen? is there a reason for this?	02:34
Riddell	Chislon_: maybe you're thinking of the computer name	02:35
Riddell	all computers have to have a name	02:36
\sh	Riddell: k	02:36
Chislon_	well it asked me for a computer name, which it default put as ubuntu, then it asked for another name at some point, directly after which it said it needed another name in all lowercase and numbers, afterwhich it asked for a password	02:36
Riddell	Chislon_: yeah, that's the full name of the user	02:37
Chislon_	so how does that work then? i dont get it i guess? and why is that then displayed in the lowerright corner of the login screen, i mean what if there were more then one users, it would still display my user full name in the right hand corner of the login screen?	02:38
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Chislon_	what does the full name of hte user do	02:38
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Chislon_	or how is it used	02:38
Riddell	Chislon_: it doesn't do very much, it's just incase you forget who the user is	02:39
mrmanic	I believe it's also used by kontact to fill in user info, but I could be wrong.	02:39
Chislon_	i dont understand, the user is different then the person signed in, the user is always that name i put, even if i make another login name for someone else?	02:39
Riddell	sounds about right	02:39
markc	can anyone point to any kubuntu amd64 info, howtos, docs ?	02:40
Tm_T	hullo Riddell	02:40
KaiL	markc: are you searching something specific?	02:41
markc	KaiL> yes, but anything amd64 related with kubuntu would be useful to know about, espeically about install skype and other 32bit apps and workaround	02:42
Riddell	Chislon_: the machine has user accounts set up. they have user names (mine it set to jr) that you use to log in with, and full names (mine is set to Jonathan Riddell). the full name isn't much used but as mrmanic says Kontact will take it as the default for who you are	02:42
markc	KaiL> skype almost seems to work ( the static tarball) but there are 3 missing 32 bit libs	02:43
Chislon_	but if you make a username for your friend bob, his user name is bob, do you set up a full name for him? and if so then when does the name that appears in the lower right corner of the log screen change? or, is that the comptuer name? that shows there?	02:43
KaiL	Riddell: it's also used for the realname field in konversation ;)	02:43
KaiL	Chislon_: that's the computer name	02:43
markc	is cinelera available for kubuntu ?	02:49
error403	anybody here tried Sarge yet?	02:49
error403	i know, offtopic right	02:50
error403	?	02:50
Chislon_	KaiL, ok thank you	02:50
Chislon_	and Riddell thank you for your help :)	02:50
Chislon_	what is SArge?	02:50
mrmanic	Chislon_: the latest stable release of debian	02:51
Chislon_	oh	02:51
Chislon_	thank you	02:51
mrmanic	Chislon_: debian is the distro that k/ubuntu is based on.	02:51
Chislon_	so sarge then isnt incorporated into k/ubuntu?	02:51
Tm_T	nope	02:52
mrmanic	no	02:52
mikl	Some package installed the helvetica-font on my old system - but I cannot find out which one it was...	02:52
Chislon_	ok thank you	02:52
Tm_T	error403: yet?!	02:52
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Tm_T	error403: you scared me!	02:52
Tm_T	I thought I missed the release	02:53
mrmanic	Tm_T: I thought it got released finally.	02:53
mrmanic	no, maybe not :\	02:55
markc	mikl> most likely xfonts-100dpi and xfonts-75dpi	02:56
markc	any amd64 users hereabouts ?	02:57
segfault2k	how can i bold text in bash=	02:57
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mikl	markc: no, that's not those - I have them already :(	03:00
markc	mikl> dpkg -L `dpkg --get-selections \| grep font \| awk '{print $1}'` \| grep -i helv	03:01
markc	mikl> might help	03:01
Tm_T	mrmanic: maybe?! no not yet, but I think this year ;--P	03:02
mrmanic	Tm_T: it was due to be released today.	03:03
Tm_T	mrmanic: so? it's debian ;)	03:03
mrmanic	;)	03:03
error403	lol	03:03
error403	i got the RC3 netinstall	03:04
error403	couldnt be bothered to wait...	03:04
error403	lol	03:04
Riddell	ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists stable still points to woody	03:04
Tm_T	yeah	03:05
error403	yeah	03:05
Tm_T	and http://debian.org is "the truth"	03:05
error403	i love 2Mb ADSL	03:05
error403	i can do a netinstall in 30 mins	03:05
error403	:D	03:05
Chislon_	ok so how do i install xfce	03:09
markc	Chislon_> apt-cache search xfce	03:11
markc	Chislon_> and obviously apt-get install whatever	03:12
Chislon_	whats apt-cache search xfce do, as it didnt seem to do anything? well i did it for xfce4 as im told thats what i want	03:12
Chislon_	doing apt-get install xfce4 couldnt find xfce4	03:12
markc	Chislon_> have a look at the list of debs returned with apt-cache search and chose some likely candidates to install, dependencies will most likely fall in place	03:13
Chislon_	what does debs mean	03:14
markc	Chislon_> some-version.deb	03:14
Chislon_	and when i do apt-cache search xfce all it does is pause for a minute and then give me another cmmandpropt	03:14
Chislon_	er prompt	03:14
Chislon_	do i need to sudo?	03:15
KaiL	Chislon_: you need to enable universe in /etc/apt/sources.list	03:15
KaiL	and then install xfce4.	03:15
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markc	Chislon_> hmm, I get a list of 66 packages, all most likely to do with xfce	03:15
Chislon_	ok... well where do i go to like learn all this stuff...	03:15
Chislon_	how is the best way to start learning this all	03:15
Chislon_	seems very complex	03:16
markc	Chislon_> http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html	03:16
Chislon_	thank you	03:16
Chislon_	and how do i set my homepage to something else in ff	03:16
markc	Chislon_> there are a few places, http://ubuntuforums.org/ is another good one	03:16
Chislon_	and i acutally use ubuntu, but is tha tlink still good? it sjust that the more people help me in kubuntu then in ubuntu, and i think i wasn tto use xfce really	03:17
markc	Chislon_> edit -> preferences	03:17
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Dreumah	how would i upgrade my kvirc	03:17
Dreumah	?	03:17
Chislon_	markc, thank you	03:18
Chislon_	markc, that kubntu page will still work fine if i dont have kde right	03:20
markc	Chislon_> a lot of the info is generic, so yes, it will still help... there are quite a few others, perhaps go to the forums and search for xcfe4	03:21
markc	Chislon_> even googling for "ubuntu xfce4" might be useful... although I have no idea why you would not want to use KDE	03:22
Dreumah	hey how would i upgrae my kvirc	03:23
Dreumah	?	03:23
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morten	Yaw	03:23
Dreumah	if its not in the repo	03:23
Chislon_	markc, i like the way xfce4 looks, plus i dont wnat to use kde office stuff	03:23
Chislon_	and browser	03:23
markc	Dreumah> seems like you need to add universe to your sourceslist	03:24
markc	Chislon_> well you don't have to install koffice and you can ignore konqueror, it's a damn file file browser anyway	03:24
Dreumah	does that have kvirc 3.2??	03:24
Chislon_	markc, i think i prefer KDE to Gnome, but, i was suggeswted to install Gnome since i felt i wanted to use open office and fire fox, i know i want to use firefox and thunderbird, openoffice doesnt matter much, its just that thats hwat i have on windows	03:24
Chislon_	what do you mean its a file file browser	03:25
mrmanic	Chislon_: that looks like a typographical error.	03:26
markc	Dreumah> looks like it's Version: 2:2.1.3.1-2	03:26
markc	Chislon_> you can still use those apps under KDE	03:27
Chislon_	oh	03:27
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Chislon_	well i jsut installed ubuntu... do i need to instead go an install kubuntu?	03:27
Chislon_	is there a difference between gnome and kde besides looks?	03:27
Chislon_	xfce tho is more gnome like right? so if i want xfce id want to just keep ubuntu?	03:28
markc	Chislon_> no, just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop	03:28
KaiL	kde: very much features, look&feel similar to Windows	03:28
markc	Chislon_> I have never done that so I can only suggest it probably works okay	03:29
KaiL	gnome: has lost a lot of features since 1.4 days, look&feel similar to MacOS	03:29
error403	never ceases to amaze me, some of the package names.... like 'kitchensync'	03:29
error403	lol	03:29
Chislon_	oh	03:29
mrmanic	kitchensync is pretty cool	03:29
Chislon_	well and how does xfce compare?	03:29
KaiL	xfce: very fast, look&feel similar to traditional Unix desktops like CDE	03:29
mrmanic	I only wish the pocketpc konnector supported my phoen	03:30
mrmanic	er, phone	03:30
Chislon_	i did the ubuntu livecd which had gnome, then did freesbie which had xfce, i liked xfce alot better	03:30
error403	ARGH!	03:30
error403	dammit....	03:30
KaiL	?	03:30
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error403	Sarge starting on a 2.4 kernel	03:31
markc	me shakes my head	03:31
KaiL	2.4?	03:31
KaiL	no?	03:31
KaiL	and I wanted to ask, if they install udev as default - this should answer that question....	03:31
Dreumah	how do i install deb package that i downloaded?	03:32
KaiL	dpkg -i <file>	03:32
snowseal	how would i disable konqeror as default web-brwoser?	03:32
markc	snowseal> just don't use it :)	03:33
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markc	snowseal> from what other application(s) ?	03:34
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dreumah	so how do i install a deb package i downloaded?	03:34
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RetroMan	dpkg	03:34
snowseal	mark gaim	03:34
markc	KaiL said dpkg -i file.deb	03:34
RetroMan	sudo dpkg -i file.deb	03:34
markc	snowseal> surely gaim has a config option for it's default browser ?	03:35
snowseal	markc: with all the apps it seems. Konversation too	03:35
KaiL	<snowseal> how would i disable konqeror as default web-brwoser? << wrong question. Would be "how would I set xyz as default web-browser?"	03:35
Chislon_	KaiL, i like that xfce is very fast	03:35
Chislon_	KaiL, but coming from windows would it be better to start on kde?	03:36
snowseal	KaiL: would you know?	03:36
KaiL	snowseal: you mean for use in kde?	03:36
markc	snowseal> I think most apps have their own default browser settings, I don't think there is a global desktop wide default	03:36
snowseal	KaiL: yes, i prefer firefox	03:36
snowseal	oh. k	03:36
KaiL	Chislon_: well, I'd always prefer kde, not only for new users :)	03:36
RetroMan	kde rocks	03:37
Chislon_	why do you prefer kde over xfce?	03:37
markc	KaiL> and for old and experienced users too !	03:37
RetroMan	because kde's hotter	03:37
KaiL	snowseal: there's a global one for KDE: kontrolcenter -> kde components -> konponent selection -> web browser	03:37
KaiL	Chislon_: more integrated apps and so on	03:38
markc	KaiL> yes but only a few KDE apps actually use that setting, gaim and such don't	03:38
Chislon_	well like what all, how does that work, what does that fully mean?	03:38
KaiL	markc: gaim isn't KDE ;)	03:38
RetroMan	gaim is gnome	03:38
Tm_T	nah	03:39
Tm_T	gaim is gtk	03:39
markc	KaiL> that's what I mean, Chislon_> asked about a default browser for gaim, for instance	03:39
RetroMan	well, ya	03:39
Tm_T	yeah, anf gaim have its own "browser settings"	03:39
Tm_T	s/anf/and	03:40
snowseal	KaiL: yay, that worked. nice	03:40
KaiL	Chislon_: for you can use the kio functions in all apps - to save a file from an email directly to fish:/user@host:/path (=my webserver) is really nice ;)	03:40
Chislon_	i asked about a default browser for gaim?	03:40
mrmanic	Chislon_: kde has some really nice features, the greatest of which, IMO, is kioslaves.	03:40
Chislon_	KaiL, i dont know what what you just said means	03:41
Chislon_	i dont know what any of it means lol	03:41
markc	totally agree about kioslaves, better than win/mac	03:41
mrmanic	Chislon_: kioslaves allow you to access remote filesystems as local filesystems without mounting	03:41
Tm_T	I don't use them	03:41
KaiL	Chislon_: you can directly save from _every_ KDE file dialog over ssh to a remote server (and other such funktions)	03:42
Tm_T	I use sshfs	03:42
Chislon_	ok	03:42
mrmanic	Chislon_: also they allow you to dig into archive files in order to access files within those.	03:42
mrmanic	Chislon_: all from konquerer or any kde-based program	03:42
markc	Chislon_: as an example, you can use an editor (like kate) to edit a remote web page without having to use ftp to upload it all the time, same thing from nearly any kde app	03:42
Chislon_	can kde run all the same stuff gnome does?	03:42
KaiL	you can run every app on every desktop	03:43
Tm_T	markc: as an example I can't use gimp that way, that's why sshfs is just better ;)	03:43
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markc	Chislon_> gnome and kde apps can coexist quite happily	03:43
Chislon_	ok	03:43
Tm_T	Chislon_: I use Gaim, Firefox, Thunderbird, Gimp etc etc in my KDE desktop	03:44
Chislon_	so how do i uninstall gnome and install kde, and uninstall the gnome apps i dont want, and install the kde ones i want	03:44
Chislon_	Tm_T, i want to use those progs	03:44
Tm_T	yeah, I bet	03:44
Chislon_	well i dont know what the other Gaim is like	03:44
Chislon_	er what kde's gaim like thing is	03:44
markc	Chislon_> just "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"	03:44
Chislon_	but i want ff, thunderbird, gimp	03:44
Chislon_	i have to do sudo tho right?	03:45
markc	Chislon_> if you already have them onboard they'll probably still be there after kde is also installed	03:45
mrmanic	kopete is a little buggy still	03:45
Chislon_	markc, i dunno what that means, onboard? u mean if htey are already on my comp they will still be there?	03:45
Chislon_	whats kopete	03:45
markc	Chislon_> ah, yeah, I keep forgetting about sudo... I just do a sudo -i once in a shell and lose all sudoness	03:45
Chislon_	ok	03:45
mrmanic	Chislon_: kopete is the kde chat client.	03:46
KaiL	Chislon_: IM client and known as one of the most unstable KDE apps	03:46
Firetech	mrmanic: kopete isn't buggy if you enable hoary-updates in sources.list...	03:46
Chislon_	what.. what disc does it want me to put in my drive?? the install disk	03:46
markc	Chislon_> onboard is slang for "already installed"	03:46
Chislon_	?	03:46
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Chislon_	ok	03:46
mrmanic	Firetech: that's actually false. I'll agree that it's not AS buggy, though.	03:46
Firetech	I use it, I don't find it buggy, nor unstable.	03:47
mrmanic	it still crashes when I do some things.	03:47
Chislon_	why does it need an ubuntu disk, img uessing its the install disc? i threw it away, i can get it, but do i need to keep it around?	03:47
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mrmanic	Chislon_: you probably need to update your /etc/apt/sources.list file	03:47
Firetech	although, I use 0.10.2 (KDE 3.4.1)	03:47
Chislon_	lol	03:47
kucing_sampah	test	03:47
markc	Chislon_> if you have your /etc/apt/sources.list file setup right then you can just apt-get everything off the net	03:47
mrmanic	Firetech: I also use that.	03:47
Chislon_	ok... so should i put my cd in now tho for this	03:48
Firetech	mrmanic: what is wrong then?	03:48
markc	Chislon_> if it's an ubuntu CD then it won't have any kde packages on it	03:48
Firetech	It works fine for me with MSN, ICQ and Jabber	03:48
dreumah	hello, i am trying to get the kvirc on my amd64 kubuntu, is there a package, can it be done?	03:48
Chislon_	like while its doing that i can do whatever right? well it asked for ti.. lol	03:48
mrmanic	Firetech: when I remove contacts from my contact list and re-add them in another group, it crashes	03:49
markc	Chislon_> you will need to get 100mb to 200mb of packages though	03:49
Chislon_	so what do i do, its loading that stuff righ tnow?	03:49
Chislon_	fromt he cd whatever its loading	03:49
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Firetech	mrmanic: well, I don't use groups...	03:49
mrmanic	Firetech: with some contacts in AIM, I don't get any messages that they send me.	03:50
mrmanic	Firetech: I end up having to delete them and re-add them to my contact list	03:50
Firetech	I don't use AIM, noone I know uses it.	03:50
mrmanic	which ends up crashing kopete	03:50
markc	dreumah> apt-cache show kvirc <- mine says amd64	03:50
mrmanic	:\	03:50
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dreumah	but that isnt the latest	03:50
mrmanic	dreumah: have you tried an apt-get update?	03:51
dreumah	i want 3.2 on the repo it is 2.7something	03:51
markc	dreumah> kvirc 3.2 may simply not be availoable as a kubuntu deb yet	03:51
Firetech	mrmanic and markc: the kvirc in universe is pretty much outdated	03:51
Chameleon22	are there any packages for php-gtk so i dont have to build it from source?	03:51
mrmanic	ah	03:51
dreumah	how about just kvirc 3	03:52
Firetech	dreumah: I use kvirc 3.2.0, i386, though...	03:52
dreumah	damn	03:52
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Firetech	why not make a 32-bit chroot?	03:52
dreumah	sometimes i hate being special	03:52
dreumah	huh?	03:52
Firetech	2 sec	03:53
dreumah	what do i do?	03:53
markc	Firetech> is their a ubuntu howto for that somewhere ?	03:53
Firetech	http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575	03:54
markc	Firetech> cool, thanks	03:54
Chislon_	why does it say kdm not kde?	03:55
markc	I'm on the verge of moving back to gentoo... I didn't realise how well advanced their amd64 bit situation was... is	03:55
markc	Chislon_> kdm is just the login manager	03:55
dreumah	is gentoo an easy install?	03:56
Firetech	that guide covers how to make /usr/bin symlinks so you can run synaptic32 in the normal environment and get 32-bit synaptic via the chroot	03:56
markc	dreumah> hmm, no, harder, everything has to be compiled from ssource	03:56
KaiL	dreumah: not really	03:56
Chislon_	ok, markc it seems to be doing kde fromt his cd alright so far??	03:56
KaiL	if installing ubuntu is to hard for you, get a toaster - Windows is harder	03:57
markc	Chislon_> well if it has KDE debs on it then go for it	03:57
Chislon_	i have no idea	03:58
Firetech	dreumah: gentoo's package system (portage/emerge) builds every package from source on your computer, which can take a LOT of time.	03:58
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Chislon_	ok last thing it did was say setting up kubuntu-desktop and then it went back to the command promp, so didi it work? if so what do i do now	03:58
markc	Chislon_> dpkg --get-selections \| grep kde ... and see if there are a heap of kde debs installed	03:59
Chislon_	dpkg?	03:59
Firetech	Chislon_: try logging out and choose KDE under "session"	03:59
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Chislon_	Firetech, thanks	04:00
Chislon_	markc, how do i know if its a deb or not	04:00
Firetech	Chislon_: everything shown there are debs	04:00
markc	Chislon_> all te results of that dpkg command are "debs"	04:00
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Chislon_	ok i have 29	04:01
markc	Chislon_> and does "which dpkg" return something ?	04:02
Chislon_	i type that in or?	04:02
Chameleon22	are there any packages for php-gtk so i dont have to build it from source?	04:02
Chislon_	/usr/bin/dpkg	04:02
markc	Chislon_> swipe it with your mouse and middle mouse button paste it into a shell	04:02
Chislon_	markc, oh kool	04:03
markc	Chislon_> sorry, I misread someone elses line	04:03
Chislon_	no problem	04:03
Chislon_	good tip to know	04:03
Chislon_	i think im just using Terminal, is this correct to do?	04:04
dreumah	i want kvirc for amd64	04:04
markc	Chislon_> it's ironic that a mouse is a shell users best friend :)	04:04
Chislon_	i finally won at four in a row	04:04
Chislon_	markc, heh heh	04:04
Chislon_	markc, so what do i do now?	04:04
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markc	Chislon_> someone suggested logging out and with a bit of luck you'll get a login manager that allows you to select the kde desktop	04:05
Chislon_	ok	04:05
Chislon_	and then youc an tell me to do that stuff u were talking about where i wont need a cd and it updates it all?	04:05
Chislon_	i can safely throw this cd out now>	04:05
Chislon_	?	04:05
markc	Chislon_> otherwise just quit out of X and change to your normal user then "start /usr/bin/startkde"	04:06
markc	startx /usr/bin/startkde	04:06
Chislon_	ya i dunno how to do that one, so ill try the other	04:06
Chislon_	oh	04:06
Chislon_	which should i do?	04:06
markc	Chislon_> try a "normal" logout first, then if that fails use control-alt-backspace to kill X and do the startx thing	04:07
markc	<sigh> I must be bored	04:08
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Chislon_	ok	04:10
Chislon_	i clicked kde, and i told it to set as default	04:10
Chislon_	am i a real kubuntu person now?^^	04:10
markc	Chislon_> well now you can ask real questions :)	04:10
error403	damn, anyoine know how i add my cedega installation to Point2Play?	04:10
Firetech	not really, I guess you're still using gdm as the login manager	04:10
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Chislon_	heh heh ok, so i could say that i have kubuntu atleast right? :)	04:11
buz	does anybody know where to get all the classes for the lyx examples? they all seem to be missing	04:11
markc	Chislon_> ask some kde questions and we'll elt you know :)	04:11
Firetech	Chislon_: when you got the gdm or kdm question, which did you choose?	04:12
Chislon_	heh heh :)	04:12
mikl	is there a console command you can use to show messages on the desktop of a user logged on to the system?	04:12
Chislon_	Firetech, you mean when installing from the cd thing? i chose kdm, and when i went to my login screen it was the different colored background, but was set to Default, and i clicked kde, and it didnt change, but what is defautl? is that nothing?	04:12
Firetech	that's nothing	04:13
Firetech	did it say kubuntu?	04:13
Firetech	If so, then it was kdm	04:13
Chislon_	heh i dunno didnt notice brb	04:14
markc	mikl> you might be able to do a "w", see what tty device they are using and "echo something > /dev/tty" kinda thing	04:14
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Chislon_	the login screen said ubuntu, the next screen said kubuntu	04:15
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snowseal	can i detelte gdm from my package manager after isntalling all of kde?	04:16
mikl	snowseal: yes	04:16
Firetech	snowseal: absolutely.	04:16
Chislon_	Firetech, so what does that tell us or?	04:17
Firetech	Chislon_: press alt+F2, type in "konsole"	04:17
Chislon_	markc, can i throw the install cd away now, and how do i set that stuff up you were talking about for updating	04:17
Chislon_	Firetech, ok	04:17
Firetech	Chislon_: then run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm" (without the quotes	04:17
snowseal	hmm all the gnome apps stop working if i do that?	04:17
Firetech	choose kdm and then enter	04:17
Chislon_	Firetech, what will that do	04:17
Chislon_	ok	04:17
markc	Chislon_> nano /etc/apt/sources.list	04:18
Firetech	choose kdm instead of gdm, which you're apparently using	04:18
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djim	mikl: see if linpopup does what you need. Alternatively, ssh to their box and type: xmessage -display :0 "<Message goes here>"	04:18
Chislon_	Firetech, the middle button copy paste doenst work there?	04:18
Firetech	it should do	04:18
Firetech	snowseal: I haven't got gdm, yet I use gedit a lot :P	04:19
Chislon_	Firetech, it didnt seem to, and doing that it failed	04:19
Firetech	Chislon_: are you sure you chose kdm during the installation?	04:20
Chislon_	i cant get the middle button to copy paste	04:20
Chislon_	Firetech, the installation of what, i installed ubuntu, then markc had me like install kubuntu-destop, and yes im sure i chose kdm	04:20
Firetech	you could try pressing both the other buttons on the mouse	04:20
Firetech	hmm	04:20
Firetech	then ignore what I said earlier and do this:	04:21
Chislon_	markc, do i do that in konsole?	04:21
Chislon_	ya both other buttons worked	04:22
Firetech	press ctrl+alt+F1 and login there (the password won't echo) > run "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" (this will kill your X session) > then run "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start"	04:22
markc	Chislon_> I was only going to suggest to add universe to your sources.list, then apt-get update again so you can get at other non-standard packages	04:22
Chislon_	marc, i did what you said before, now im at a page i dont know what to do, and can i throw my install cd awya now safely?	04:22
markc	Chislon_> so you don't need to do it, but yes, you would do so in konsole	04:22
Chislon_	Firetech, i did the comman markc said so ill have to wait till i figure htat out as its up right now	04:23
Chislon_	markc, i did do ur command	04:23
Chislon_	can i throw the install cd away now?	04:24
Chislon_	and what do i do here now	04:24
markc	Chislon> probably, you can keep going by apt-get'ting everything from the net now	04:24
Chislon_	?	04:24
markc	Chislon> apt-get update	04:24
Chislon_	its got some screen deb cdrom stuff deb htpp deb src	04:24
Chislon_	and does that mean i can throw away the cd?	04:25
markc	Chislon_> control-x to quit out of nano, yes, you can remove your cd	04:25
Chislon_	it says uncomment the following two lines to add software from the universe repository?	04:25
Chislon_	can i throw it away tho? the cd	04:25
markc	Chislon_> yes, do that	04:25
Chislon_	how	04:25
markc	Chislon_> remove the # at the front of those two lines	04:26
Firetech	Chislon_: did you do anything at that screen with cdrom, deb etc.?	04:26
markc	Chislon_> control-x to quit out of nano	04:26
Chislon_	the following two lines says ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu	04:26
Chislon_	## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to	04:26
Chislon_	i just messed it up	04:26
markc	Chislon_> you don't HAVE to do this, it just enables extra packages	04:26
Chislon_	cuz i clicked on the # to delte it and then it jumped up to the top and i dleted or added something up there?	04:27
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Chislon_	markc, i dont get why you keep saying htat, i want to do it, i just dont know how	04:27
Chislon_	Firetech, i dont now? im not sure what that means	04:27
markc	Chislon_> you are in the kde desktop, you are a kubuntu user, everything from now on is normal debain/kubuntu usage... be happy :)	04:27
Firetech	do as markc says	04:27
Chislon_	the line that it jumped says team, and may not be under a free license. please satisfy yourself as deb cdrom:stuff, did i mess it up? and i dont know how to take away the ## from the lines	04:28
Chislon_	nor do i udnerstand how taking it from those lines will doa nything as its just teck	04:28
markc	Chislon_> I didn't relalize you never used nano before, sorry	04:28
Chislon_	er text	04:28
Chislon_	markc, oh ok, no problem, im really new	04:28
Firetech	Chislon_: just press ctrl+x and then n	04:28
Chislon_	i didn tuncomment the lines tho	04:29
Chislon_	and i think i changed a different line?	04:29
Firetech	and let markc choose a different editor for you ;)	04:29
Chislon_	well what about that line i may have messed up?	04:29
markc	easier than nano !!! :)	04:29
Firetech	markc: perhaps a graphical one	04:29
snowseal	ah, im kubuntu now.	04:29
markc	Chislon_> edit it again and put the # (commnets) characters back at the front of the line	04:29
snowseal	is there any way to tweak the geforce drivers? GL isnt performing very well.	04:30
Firetech	nano is simple, if you're used to text editors.	04:30
Chislon_	markc, i dont think i took the # away, it jumped up to a different line, and i think i changed some text after a ## or soemthing	04:30
Firetech	*text mode editors	04:30
markc	Firetech> but if he is a normal user then how does he edit /etc/apt/sources.list ? (I'd be interested to knwo that)	04:30
Firetech	markc, sudo gedit works fine	04:31
markc	Firetech> oh, okay, cool	04:31
Firetech	kde edtors aren't really friendly with sudo	04:31
Chislon_	so what do i do about that line?	04:31
Firetech	Chislon_: press ctrl+X and then n, to exit without saving	04:31
markc	Chislon_> just do an "apt-get update" and see if it complains, if not, don't worry	04:32
Firetech	then do the same command but exchange nano with gedit	04:32
Chislon_	hitting ctrl x n on the apge didnt do anything	04:32
Chislon_	ok got it	04:32
Chislon_	i think i hit above the page	04:32
markc	Firetech> I always just sudo -i then use a nice nano alias to edit whatever I want without having to think about it	04:32
Firetech	not in apt-get, I thought you still were in nano	04:32
Chislon_	i was	04:33
Chislon_	ok sorry... whats the line now?	04:33
Firetech	markc: that's one way to do it	04:33
Firetech	Chislon_: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list	04:33
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markc	alias e='nano -w -t -x -c -R ' <- that is the fastest and easiest editor on the planet	04:33
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Firetech	to all KDE lovers: I know gedit is gnome, but k* editors haven't been friendly to my sudo	04:34
Chislon_	Firetech, ok i got that open now	04:34
Chislon_	its the same thing that nano did	04:34
Firetech	remove the # 's in front of the universe-stuff	04:34
Chislon_	ok	04:34
Firetech	and put one in front of the cdrom line	04:35
Firetech	one # that is	04:35
Firetech	only remove the #'s in front of the lines starting with deb or deb-src	04:35
Chislon_	what is NB software, and ok so.. there are several lines after with deb or deb-src starts	04:36
markc	go Firetech!, cool :)	04:36
Chislon_	there are 2 for ubuntu hoary universe, adn 2 for ubuntu hoary security universe	04:36
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Chislon_	the main restricted ones are already with no #	04:36
Firetech	Chislon_: change #deb... to deb...	04:36
Chislon_	on all of them?	04:37
Firetech	all #deb yes	04:37
Chislon_	and is the one youw ant me to put a # on, the one that says dep cdrom:etc.	04:37
Firetech	not the ones with just deb	04:37
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Chislon_	?	04:37
Firetech	Chislon_: exactly, you're learning ;)	04:37
Chislon_	so i dont do the ones with just deb tho?	04:37
Firetech	nope	04:37
Chislon_	there are 2 under the cdrom one tho that are not commented	04:38
Firetech	leave them as is	04:38
Chislon_	one of them is a deb.. ok	04:38
Chislon_	so im uncommenting the deb-src to the hoary universe, adn the deb-src to the secruity universe?	04:38
Chislon_	do i leave the sapce that is after the #?	04:38
Firetech	no	04:39
Chislon_	ok, so do i have that correct?	04:39
Chislon_	and now i hit save	04:39
Chislon_	?	04:39
Firetech	yup	04:39
Chislon_	ok and now close it?	04:39
Firetech	yes, and then when you're back at the command prompt, run "sudo apt-get update"	04:40
Chislon_	ok so i forget if this was answered, sorry, but can i throw my install cd away now?	04:40
markc	sudo, bah... sorry, I'll try and shutup	04:40
Chislon_	and it said reading package list.. done and now is back to command propt	04:40
Chislon_	markc, ?	04:40
markc	I don't like sudo, but that's just me	04:41
Chislon_	ok	04:41
Firetech	Chislon_: good	04:41
Chislon_	can i throw the install cd away now?	04:41
Firetech	yes	04:41
Chislon_	ok thank you	04:41
Firetech	I think so :P	04:41
Chislon_	and thank you markc	04:41
markc	heh	04:41
Firetech	then the kdm thingie	04:41
Chislon_	ya	04:42
markc	Chislon_> well I hope I didn't confuse you too much!	04:42
Firetech	This is a little more complicated, because I can't talk to you under some parts of the procedure	04:42
Chislon_	markc, heh heh, i dunno ^^	04:42
Firetech	type down the commands to run	04:42
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Chislon_	oh	04:42
Chislon_	ok	04:42
Firetech	on a paper, that is.	04:43
Firetech	first press ctrl+alt+F1 (not now.)	04:43
Chislon_	knotes work?	04:43
Firetech	then login as normally (the password won't show while you're typing)	04:43
Chislon_	oh like write on a real piece of paper, ok.. heh heh	04:43
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Firetech	Chislon_: no, you're gonna be out of KDE for a while...	04:44
dreumah	my download manager is odd, its showing x mb / x mb and both are climbing at the same rate, 100% constantly	04:44
Chislon_	ok	04:44
dreumah	was up wit tat?	04:44
Firetech	when you get logged in, type "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop"	04:44
Firetech	then "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start" (note: gdm before, kdm now)	04:45
Chislon_	ok	04:45
Firetech	If you get an error, the easiest thing is to reboot, but that shouldn't be needed.	04:46
Firetech	that's it.	04:46
Chislon_	ok	04:46
rodolfo	hi, I installed webmin, but can't login with the root password I set (login invalid). what can I do?	04:46
Chislon_	thank you, ill brb	04:46
markc	Firetech> isn't there some command to swap login managers ?	04:46
Firetech	markc: it's just that that gdm seems to be running although he chose kdm	04:46
markc	but like, /etc/X11/default-display-manager needs to say /usr/bin/kdm or else gdm will keep starting on boot	04:47
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Firetech	markc: I think that one already says kdm	04:48
markc	I assume xorg uses that file, maybe it depends on /etc/rc2.dkdm or gdm	04:48
Firetech	Chislon_: how did it go?	04:48
Chislon_	ok :)	04:49
Chislon_	soso now im kubuntu? ^^	04:49
Chislon_	fine	04:49
Chislon_	*so	04:49
Firetech	Chislon_: did the login screen loog different now?	04:49
Firetech	*look	04:49
Chislon_	ya blue and said kubuntu	04:49
Firetech	then you're fully kubuntu :)	04:49
Firetech	congratulations.	04:49
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markc	indeed	04:50
monchy	enjoy, KDE is fun to tinker around with	04:50
markc	well done Firetech :)	04:50
Firetech	markc: thank you	04:50
Firetech	it's a lot easier for newcomers to use sudo...	04:51
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Chislon_	thank you Firetech and markc for your help	04:51
Firetech	nano is quite complicated if you think you can use the mouse...	04:51
Chislon_	thanks monchy	04:51
markc	Firetech> you trying to get me into an argument ? :)	04:51
Firetech	no	04:52
Firetech	Just a discussion :P	04:52
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Chislon_	how do i uninstall gnome then?	04:52
Chislon_	isnt there a newver verson of xchat then 2.4.1? isnt it at 2.4.3?	04:52
markc	Chislon_> hmm, apt-remove ubuntu-desktop _might_ work	04:53
monchy	yes 2.4.3	04:53
Chislon_	how do i update my xchat	04:53
Chislon_	markc, will that delte any of the g apps ?	04:53
dreumah	how do i ubdate my kvirc	04:54
Firetech	markc: that doesn't work	04:54
markc	Chislon_> I don't know what it will actually do, it will provide a list of what it would do and allow you to y/n	04:54
thoreauputic	Chislon_: no, it's just a metapackage	04:54
Firetech	Chislon_: my advice is to leave it...	04:54
Chislon_	oh, ok	04:54
Chislon_	thoreauputic, hey, and i dont know what that means, and im kubuntu now^^	04:54
Chislon_	Firetech, ok, until im more familiar and know what im doing?	04:54
markc	Chislon_> you need half of gnaome/gtk for firefow/openoffice etc anyway	04:54
Chislon_	markc, oh ok	04:55
Firetech	I have left it, but I use a lot of the original ubuntu apps	04:55
thoreauputic	Chislon_: it means ubuntu-desktop is basically just a list of dependencies	04:55
Chislon_	ok	04:55
Chislon_	so basically i want to keep it?	04:55
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Chislon_	and i dont really know what it means to be a list of dependencies	04:55
Firetech	kind of	04:55
Chislon_	will do	04:55
thoreauputic	Chislon_: it doesn't really matter	04:55
Chislon_	ok	04:55
thoreauputic	Chislon_: it won't uninstall anything at all, really	04:55
Chislon_	how do i update xchat? and can i make xchat do its autologon but not open or leave open the schat server list?	04:56
Chislon_	thoreauputic, ok	04:56
thoreauputic	Chislon_: what's wrong with the default xchat? Works fine as far as I can see...	04:56
Firetech	Chislon_: the only scenario where you don't want it is if you have a hard disk with 2 mb free space after installing kubuntu, and/or if you're a "no, I won't EVER use a GTK app", which I guess you're not.	04:56
thoreauputic	well, xchay is gtk2 for a start...	04:57
thoreauputic	*xchat	04:57
rodolfo	hi, does anyone use webmin?	04:57
Firetech	oops, i forgot a " user" after that quote...	04:57
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Chislon	Firetech, right ok thank you	04:58
Chislon	Firetech, no problem	04:59
Firetech	There are some people that will never use a KDE/Qt app...	04:59
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Chislon	thoreauputic, i dunno, isnt it best to use the latest version	04:59
Chislon	wont i end up using a command that updates everything anyway?	04:59
Firetech	Chislon: not until you've found a bug in the version you have :P	04:59
thoreauputic	Chislon: if you keep your system up to date with security, you'll be fine	04:59
Firetech	some newer versions of software break things :P	04:59
Chislon	really? why is that, oh	05:00
thoreauputic	Chislon: just do a regular reload/update	05:00
Chislon	what is that and how do i do it	05:00
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thoreauputic	Chislon: you can do it with kynaptic/synaptic or apt	05:00
thoreauputic	Chislon: just check that you have the security reppositories enabled	05:01
Chislon	how do i do that	05:01
Firetech	Chislon: you did that before	05:02
Firetech	when you removed #'s	05:02
Chislon	oh	05:02
Chislon	ok	05:02
Chislon	well do i need a fireall?	05:02
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Chislon	and antivirus?	05:02
Chislon	er firewall	05:02
thoreauputic	Chislon: the sources file tells the system where to look :)	05:02
thoreauputic	Chislon: you don't need anivirus	05:03
Chislon	and im told no need for spyware thing, or that there are no spyware things?	05:03
Chislon	thoreauputic, sources tells the system where to look for what	05:03
pointwood	hrm...no eclipse .deb available?	05:03
thoreauputic	and unless you are running services you don't need afirewall either	05:03
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Firetech	Chislon: he's talking about the security repository, which you should have enabled when you removed #'s	05:04
thoreauputic	Chislon: sources.list tells the system where to look for apps and updates	05:04
Firetech	thoreauputic: he's got that enabled	05:04
thoreauputic	Firetech: OK	05:04
thoreauputic	:)	05:04
Firetech	I helped him with that 10 minutes ago	05:04
Chislon	oh ok kool	05:04
Chislon	and what is running services entail, meaning if im doing a server?	05:04
thoreauputic	Firetech: yeah, sorry to jump in :)	05:06
Firetech	thoreauputic: np...	05:06
thoreauputic	Chislon: stuff like web servers, ssh, nfs etc	05:06
thoreauputic	Chislon: by default, ubuntu/kubuntu doesn't listen on any external ports	05:06
Chislon	ok well i dunno what ssh or nfs and stuff is	05:06
Chislon	thoreauputic, not sure what that means exactly	05:07
thoreauputic	Chislon: so don't worry about it now :)	05:07
Chislon	ok	05:07
Chislon	i thought people us antiviruses tho like ClamOS or somethign?	05:07
Chislon	isnt it safer to have an antivirus and firewalll?	05:07
thoreauputic	Chislon: all you need to know is that your system is locked down pretty safely by default	05:07
thoreauputic	Chislon: viruses for linux are practically unknown up 'til now	05:08
Chislon	antivirus wouldnt run all the time anyways right?	05:09
thoreauputic	Chislon: even the few that exist are pretty much harmless anyway, and no up to date system is vulnerable to them	05:09
thoreauputic	Chislon: don't worry about antivirus unless you are using it with a windows network to clean up mail etc (which I doubt applies)	05:10
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Chislon	well im on a home network, and will also be on a small store network with the comp?	05:10
thoreauputic	Chislon: linux antivirus is actually designed to catch windows viruses, not linux ones ;)	05:10
markc	wow, thank you to whoever gave me a link to the 32bit chroot forum pages, you saved me from reinstalling gentoo!	05:11
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Chislon	isnt gentoo another distro?	05:12
thoreauputic	yes	05:12
Chislon	thoreauputic, waht about the home and small store network?	05:12
Chislon	why run more htan one distro?	05:12
thoreauputic	Chislon: it really depends on what you plan to do with your linux install - the risks start when you run mail servers, web servers and the like	05:13
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thoreauputic	Chislon: he was saying someone's help stopped him from returning to his previous distro	05:14
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Chislon	ok... well i wont be running servers, but ill be on the home network and a store network, small store... ?	05:14
Chislon	thoreauputic, oh i see	05:14
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markc	Chislon> who me?... I was about to remove this lovely kubuntu install and put in Gentoo back on, because they have a seemless 32bit mulitlib system	05:15
dreumah	markc you are on an amd64?	05:15
Chislon	markc, oh ok	05:15
markc	dreumah> yes	05:16
Chislon	Firetech, what now? :)	05:16
dreumah	why intall of kubuntu are you on the amd64?	05:16
dreumah	what*	05:16
Chislon	markc, you said cua htey have seemless 32 bit multilib system, does that mean kubunto doesnt?	05:16
thoreauputic	Chislon: he's using amd64	05:16
Firetech	Chislon: what is the questin, I'm doing some other stuff...	05:17
Chislon	Firetech, ok sorry, thank you very much for your help	05:17
markc	Chislon> no, kubuntu uses a chroot system to run 32bit apps... someone said ubuntu won't have nultilib support until Debian porper does and that means it's years away (probably)	05:17
Chislon	thoreauputic, so on the home network and small store one u dont think i need antivirus? seems like i should have atleat a firewall though?	05:17
Chislon	markc, oh so what is it that made you stay	05:18
thoreauputic	Chislon: if you want a firewall, look at guidedog or firestarter	05:18
markc	dreumah> sorry, hoary.. considering breezy	05:18
thoreauputic	sorry "guarddog"	05:18
Chislon	marc ?	05:18
Chislon	thoreauputic, ok thank you	05:18
thoreauputic	Chislon: relax about the antivirus - it isn't necessary	05:19
dreumah	hoary, but the amd64 for i386 installation	05:19
dreumah	?	05:19
Chislon	thoreauputic, ok	05:19
RetroMan	hey guys, do you know how I can run a few commands after kde has booted?	05:19
RetroMan	(automatically)	05:19
Chislon	breezy is a king of kubuntu?	05:19
markc	Chislon> I just read a nice howto on now to set up a chroot environment, enough to run the few 32bit apps I'd like to use... gentoo will take me DAYS to get all of kde compiled again	05:19
thoreauputic	RetroMan: put a script in ~/.kde/Autostart	05:19
Chislon	markc, oh ok	05:19
Chislon	and i meant kind not king	05:19
Chislon	thoreauputic, but firewall is good?	05:20
RetroMan	thanks	05:20
markc	Chislon> breezy is the next version of ubuntu/kubuntu	05:20
thoreauputic	Chislon: sure, get guarddog or firestarter	05:20
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dreumah	does the kubuntu amd64 installation support java?	05:20
RetroMan	thoreauputic: does it need a special filename scheme?	05:20
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thoreauputic	Chislon: you'll learn a bit about firewalls at least :)	05:20
thoreauputic	RetroMan: I just used a bash script	05:20
Chislon	markc, oh ok thanks, waht kind of animal is it	05:21
thoreauputic	RetroMan: I believe there is another way involving a special format	05:21
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Chislon	thoreauputic, ok thank you	05:21
markc	dreumah> the ibm one is 64 bit, maybe the sun jre is too.. but I think there are problems with the blackdown java stuff	05:21
RetroMan	ok, ill look into it, thanks	05:21
dreumah	the sun jre isnt	05:21
thoreauputic	RetroMan: an executble script appears to work fine	05:22
thoreauputic	*executable	05:22
markc	dreumah> I had 64bit java working fine with gentoo	05:23
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Chislon	alright well im gonna go a bit, thanks for the help everyone	05:25
RetroMan	do you know how it could be done on a server machine that doesnt boot into a WM?	05:25
markc	dreumah> I haven't seen mention of the 64bit IBM jre anywhere yet so I haven't tried it on kubuntu yet... I might just do the 32bit chroot thing and go with that solution for java, flash and w2codecs... and skype	05:25
dreumah	i am just going to install kubuntu for i386 and wait until breezy is better	05:25
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markc	dreumah> I haven't seen any flash crap for at least a year!	05:25
dreumah	so is breezy better to have for amd64 then?	05:26
markc	dreumah> no idea, but I hope so	05:26
thoreauputic	RetroMan: you would insert a startup script in /etc/init.d/ with relevant links if applicable, or the quick and dirty method is to add commands to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh	05:26
thoreauputic	but that isn't the recommended way...	05:26
markc	dreumah> I have little amd64 boxes I want to sell... so I need to have some cream puff stuff working	05:27
RetroMan	thanks	05:27
markc	dreumah> I don't want to sell boxes with gentoo on them, too hard for end users to deal with, kubuntu is a much better proposition	05:28
rodolfo	I have a problem with webmin, can't login. does anyone use it?	05:29
dreumah	hmmm the thing is certain apps dont work with amd64 in kubuntu	05:29
dreumah	like java	05:29
dreumah	the new kvirc	05:30
markc	rodolfo> no but dpkg-reconfigure webmin might help	05:30
RetroMan	rodolfo on (k)ubuntu webmin behaves strangely at first because there is no real su password	05:30
rodolfo	I set the root pwd but the login fails... I'll try with reconfigure	05:30
markc	dreumah> yes but apparently they will in a chroot, I am about to find out	05:30
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dreumah	i dont know what that is, but tell me if you get them to work	05:31
markc	dreumah> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575	05:32
markc	dreumah> FWIW I started a #kubuntu-amd64 channel	05:35
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Dent	markc: nice	05:35
markc	Dent> well it would be if there was more then me in it :)	05:36
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Dent	well, now it is	05:36
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rodolfo	markc, RetroMan: it worked copying the root password in /etc/webmin/miniserv.users from /etc/shadow; thanks	05:38
Dent	you kwaaaaayzee man	05:43
Dent	glad it worked, though.	05:43
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LordHoto	hi	06:00
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MoreFX	hi	06:05
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MoreFX	newbie-question concerning PCMCIA card	06:05
MoreFX	I have the pcmcia running	06:06
MoreFX	If i restart it, no PCMCIA card ist found	06:06
MoreFX	although one card is present	06:07
MoreFX	how do I configure the pcmcia to "see" my cards	06:07
MoreFX	?	06:07
_ggilbert_	well first you need to find a goat	06:09
_ggilbert_	The most common problem I've seen with pcmcia is when the memory windows and ioports in the default config don't quite match your computer	06:10
_ggilbert_	What type of notebook is it?	06:10
_ggilbert_	most x86 notebooks seem to be fairly well standardized, but powerbooks and ibooks seem to be all over the place	06:10
MoreFX	Fujitsu/Simens Amilp A	06:10
_ggilbert_	try cardctl ident	06:11
_ggilbert_	what does that say?	06:11
MoreFX	Socket 0:	06:11
MoreFX	no product info available	06:11
MoreFX	Socket 1:	06:11
MoreFX	no product info available	06:12
_ggilbert_	try looking for errors in /var/log/kern.log	06:12
MoreFX	I see some messages like IO port probe 0x0800-0x08ff: clean	06:14
_ggilbert_	that's ok. anything that looks bad?	06:14
MoreFX	that's all (more or less)	06:14
_ggilbert_	does your computer beep at all when you insert the card?	06:14
MoreFX	no	06:15
_ggilbert_	do you have any other cards you can test with?	06:15
MoreFX	do I have to enable hotplugging somewhere?	06:15
_ggilbert_	It should work right out of the box	06:16
MoreFX	no, I don't	06:16
MoreFX	but the card works under Win and Suse 9.2	06:16
_ggilbert_	what type of card?	06:16
MoreFX	WLAN	06:16
_ggilbert_	What type?	06:16
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MoreFX	used to run fine with NDISwrapper	06:16
MoreFX	Linksys WPC54g	06:17
_ggilbert_	that could be the problem. dont know if ubuntu has ndiswrapper	06:17
KaiL	_ggilbert_: is has	06:17
MoreFX	yes, it does	06:17
MoreFX	bot the hardware is not recognized	06:17
KaiL	MoreFX: your card has a broadcom chip	06:17
MoreFX	yup	06:17
KaiL	I have the same :)	06:18
KaiL	and guess, which version of ndiswrapper you need :)	06:18
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MoreFX	as i said: it was running under Suse 9.2 until today	06:18
KaiL	1.0-rc3 at least - hoary has 1.0-rc2...	06:18
_ggilbert_	I dont see anything special about pcmcia on that machine	06:18
_ggilbert_	and if there are no errors, I'm at a bit of a loss for idea	06:18
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KaiL	MoreFX: in short: you need to update your ndiswrapper	06:19
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MoreFX	no, I don't think so	06:19
MoreFX	is not the Wrapper	06:19
KaiL	did I say, that I have the same card? ;)	06:19
MoreFX	the pcmcia-daemon ist not seeing the hardware	06:19
KaiL	it's not visible to pcmcia-tools, but it is in lspci	06:20
_ggilbert_	MoreFX: No one else seems to have better ideas, I don't imagine it could hurt	06:20
MoreFX	that has nothing to do with the ndiswrapper	06:20
MoreFX	but it won't help eighter ;-)	06:20
MoreFX	btw: I have the latest ndis-version!	06:20
KaiL	MoreFX: look at lspci output and you'll find it	06:20
snowseal	where can i find the infrared port in kde?	06:20
MoreFX	KaiL: you are right!	06:21
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KaiL	did I say, that I have the same card? ;)	06:22
KaiL	now ndiswrapper -i <that .inf file from the cd>	06:22
MoreFX	I am all set now :-)	06:22
KaiL	and finnaly you'll see the driver but not the device with ndiswrapper -l	06:23
MoreFX	the ndisdriver is already running.	06:23
KaiL	except you update(d) to >=1.0-rc3	06:23
MoreFX	It just took several minutes until the card was "present" - strange ...	06:23
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MoreFX	KaiL: rc1.02-1	06:25
MoreFX	KaiL: sorry: rc1.0-2	06:26
KaiL	so have fun with updating ndis	06:26
MoreFX	I will ;-)	06:26
MoreFX	Thanx for helping!	06:27
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tofirius	how do you remove grub from the boot process?	06:35
treke	how so?	06:35
treke	grub is a bit important :)	06:36
tofirius	yes, but a friend's panicking w/an office pc that won't boot, so he wants to remove grub	06:36
tofirius	he loaded kubuntu & then grub won't find linux	06:36
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tofirius	he wanted to dual boot	06:36
treke	what error does he get?	06:36
tofirius	so he loaded kubuntu onto a usb drive	06:36
tofirius	let me ask hiim	06:37
treke	removing grub woulld not really help the situation too much since it would probably leave you with a totally unbootable machine	06:37
treke	but with grub installed you should be able to finesse it into booting the old install	06:37
tofirius	so grub overwrites the windows boot process?	06:37
tofirius	how	06:37
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treke	were you trying to dual boot two linuxes or linux and windows?	06:38
tofirius	he said the error he would get was 21 & then 15	06:38
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Firetech	tofirius: it the other OS is windows, insert a windows install cd, go to the recovery console and run fixmbr, then grub is gone	06:38
tofirius	linux & win	06:38
treke	yeah that would do it. I thiought the second os was linux for some reason :)	06:39
Firetech	It is a bit complicated to boot linux from a USB-drive, you have to edit some config-files	06:40
tofirius	aha	06:41
treke	if you put the bootloader in the mbr for the usbdrive, some computers can boot from a usb device	06:41
tofirius	i'm relaying this on to him.... he doesn't have irc right now	06:41
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foodcoman	Would anyone know a link which would show how to update a Network-less Kubuntu system via CD, DVD or USB key?	06:44
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_Church_of_FoamY	in my computers bios i have a setting for os/2 for memory greator than 64mb	06:46
_Church_of_FoamY	if i enable this will it increase the performance of my box?	06:46
tofirius	thanks guys for your help	06:46
tofirius	take care	06:46
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_Church_of_FoamY	anyone	06:47
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abisen	is kubuntu as stable as ubuntu !! one of my prof's wants to install kbuntu on his new laptop ?	07:24
abisen	we have been using ubuntu for sometime on laptops without any major issues ? i mean like suspend/resume video output etc..	07:25
spiral	abisen: kubuntu is only ubuntu with apt-get install kubuntu-desktop...	07:25
spiral	abisen: so it's as stable... in fact, except kde / gnome... there is no difference	07:25
Tm_T	spiral: and maybe remove gnomish ;p	07:25
abisen	so i should install ubuntu and then install kubuntu-desktop and not download kbuntu iso	07:25
Tm_T	abisen: yes	07:25
abisen	spiral: huh i already downloaded 75% of the CD now i need to download ubuntu :(	07:26
monchy	may as well just finish the download if your that far into it	07:26
abisen	ubuntu is great ... configures everything out of the box i love it.	07:27
abisen	earlier my first few days just went by ... configuring wi-fi sound video etc.. .etc...	07:27
abisen	so in kubuntu it uses ESD as the sound daemon or arts ? ?	07:28
spiral	abisen: arts	07:28
spiral	abisen: all kde... you can still use the CD from kubuntu...	07:29
abisen	spiral: and if i install from kbuntu CD can i install synaptic and other gnome stuff too...	07:29
spiral	abisen: yes, same package database for kubuntu & ubuntu	07:29
spiral	abisen: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop on a kubuntu, & you get a kubuntu + ubuntu, and the same for kubuntu-desktop under ubuntu	07:30
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abisen	great !!! ... 81% done :) -- this will be my first kubuntu installation... .. thanks everybody for the advices...	07:30
spiral	abisen: :-)	07:30
juanjo4x4	hi	07:31
juanjo4x4	i got 2 questions	07:31
juanjo4x4	is there anybody	07:32
abisen	lots of ppl	07:32
juanjo4x4	oh i see	07:32
abisen	just ask ... i got lots of good replies... maybe i might answer some of yours ..	07:32
juanjo4x4	q1 how do i fix knetworkconf problem	07:32
abisen	juanjo4x4: what's the problem ...	07:33
juanjo4x4	i use the amd64 variant of kubuntu 5.04	07:33
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abisen	juanjo4x4: what's the problem ... i dont have knetworkconf installed on my laptop ... why do you use it? ??	07:34
juanjo4x4	i configure the network with sudo ifconfig ..	07:35
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kay	you ought to just edit /etc/network/interfaces and read man interfaces	07:35
juanjo4x4	but in kde i cant do it after i installed kdelibs	07:35
juanjo4x4	ok	07:36
abisen	juanjo4x4: i use ubuntu and i love the network-admin tool	07:37
juanjo4x4	the only thing sucks to me is tha i have to set up my network configuration after every boot up	07:37
juanjo4x4	i prefer kde than gnome	07:37
abisen	juanjo4x4: I love it because i have two network cards one wi-fi and i can simply click and activate deactivate change the essid and do lots of things with it	07:37
abisen	juanjo4x4: but i am sure the tool will work fine even on kubuntu /...	07:38
juanjo4x4	abisen thanks	07:38
abisen	kde should have something like that ..(applet-able)	07:38
juanjo4x4	not exactly like the applet you said, but something like that	07:39
juanjo4x4	the reason i use kubuntu is thai i prefer kde	07:40
juanjo4x4	my experienece with gnome, was terrific in other distributions	07:40
abisen	juanjo4x4: i love the KDE look and even loads of features to connect with the network but some how on my P-III laptops that i support in my lab GNOME uses less resource or are more responsive	07:41
robin_	upgrade your PC than :)	07:41
juanjo4x4	but you are talking about gnome 2.8	07:41
juanjo4x4	abisen: isn't it a litle heavy 4 your computer?	07:42
buz	how can i get openoffice 2 to print landscape?	07:42
buz	it ignores my settings	07:42
robin_	I'm really a pro-kde user, but I actually have worked the last half year with Gnome, and it isn't that bad as i thought, but kde is much much nicer though.	07:43
juanjo4x4	robin_: i'm with you	07:43
juanjo4x4	i got gnome in fedora at work	07:44
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juanjo4x4	and i'm a little lost, betewen the diferences	07:44
juanjo4x4	but it is also good	07:44
juanjo4x4	ok thaks 4 your help	07:45
juanjo4x4	and sorry 4 mu english,i'm spanish	07:46
juanjo4x4	see you...	07:46
robin_	cya	07:46
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jrodri	hola	07:52
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Tm_T	http://cartman-kde.blogspot.com/2005/06/konversation-news.html	08:07
KaiL	looks cool	08:11
Tm_T	maybe	08:12
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Alex[RM-UK]	Hey	08:16
buz	stupid bloody oo2	08:16
buz	WTF wont it print landscape	08:16
Alex[RM-UK]	I've searched for ages trying to make it so Konquror wont open it tabs	08:17
Alex[RM-UK]	how do I do it?	08:17
monchy	woo batman begins in 9 days	08:20
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Alex[RM-UK]	anyone?	08:23
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Alex[RM-UK]	anyone know how to stop Konqurore from opeing in tabs?	08:28
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_Church_of_FoamY	man i have a weard problem	08:34
snowseal	i get 3 fps on opengl screensaver atlantis. is there any way i can tune this performance?	08:36
snowseal	Alex[RM-UK] : konqueror config probably?	08:37
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Tm_T	snowseal: well, I have some problems with it too, somehow it starts just ok but rapidly slow down	08:38
snowseal	Tm_T ack. and direct3d wont work on linux?	08:38
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_Church_of_FoamY	has anyone had any problems with the kubuntu install ISO?	08:39
_Church_of_FoamY	and wrighting to cd	08:39
Tm_T	snowseal: what? haha	08:39
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snowseal	oh, so thats funny. hmm, got a good video card that wont perform on linux. :(	08:40
_Church_of_FoamY	don't feel bad i blew my card just the other day	08:42
snowseal	opengl sucks arse	08:42
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Alex[RM-UK]	Hi again	08:49
Alex[RM-UK]	how to I save my KMenu ... Menus - I DO NOT trust this K menu Edit, it keeps doing it's own thing with the menus - and I would like to keep a backup	08:49
philipacamaniac	you can find it in ~/.kde	08:50
philipacamaniac	I'll tell the exact location in a second (my vmware kubuntu is booting)	08:50
Alex[RM-UK]	thanks	08:52
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_Church_of_FoamY	how to do the MD5 checksum verification thingy for the kubuntu ISO?/	08:55
kaltsi	hi	08:55
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Alex[RM-UK]	philipacamaniac, is it in the config folder?	08:56
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philipacamaniac	Alex[RM-UK] : sorry, not ~/.kde	08:58
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philipacamaniac	it is in ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu	08:58
philipacamaniac	backup that file	08:58
_Church_of_FoamY	anyone know?	08:59
Alex[RM-UK]	Thanks!	08:59
philipacamaniac	_Church_of_FoamY: md5sum -cv file.iso.md5	08:59
_Church_of_FoamY	thank you ^_^	09:00
Alex[RM-UK]	still cant stop Konqueror from opeing in tabs - any ideas?	09:02
philipacamaniac	Alex[RM-UK] : Go to Configure Konqueror	09:04
philipacamaniac	--> Web Behavior	09:04
philipacamaniac	--> Tabbed Browsing click Advanced Options	09:05
philipacamaniac	Uncheck "Open as tab in existing Konqueror... blah blah"	09:05
philipacamaniac	Sadly, this affects filesystem AND web links, meaning when you call up a link from Konversation, it will open a new Konqueror (assuming your URL links are still associated with Konqueror and not Firefox)	09:06
Alex[RM-UK]	Oh, Wouldnt of thought it would be in web behaviour	09:07
Alex[RM-UK]	thanks,	09:07
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philipacamaniac	yes, it needs to be somehow separated into the different view profiles (web links open new tabs, file links open new windows, etc.)	09:08
Alex[RM-UK]	lol, it still does it	09:09
philipacamaniac	whoa, that's dumb	09:10
Alex[RM-UK]	I got it	09:10
Alex[RM-UK]	works now	09:10
Alex[RM-UK]	:) thanks	09:10
philipacamaniac	cool	09:10
Alex[RM-UK]	Next task - Cedega lol	09:10
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alex	i need some help configuring my airport card (802.11g) in my iBook ppc running the latest version of kubuntu and kde... it just wont work!	09:22
alex	anybody? please help!	09:23
uniq	you won't get it to work.	09:23
uniq	there are no linux drivers for it.	09:23
alex	what!	09:23
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alex	aww man...	09:24
uniq	if it's new airport extreme there is no chance at the time beeing.	09:24
uniq	the old airport works.	09:24
alex	wait a minute....	09:24
alex	hmm	09:24
alex	actually my ibook has old airport	09:24
alex	im just used to my new imac g5	09:24
_Church_of_FoamY	why won't my box boot off of the kubuntu install cd?	09:25
alex	what's your box?	09:25
_Church_of_FoamY	but it will boot off of the ubuntu install cd	09:25
_Church_of_FoamY	my linuxbox	09:25
_Church_of_FoamY	you know my computer	09:26
alex	no but what hardwarE?	09:26
_Church_of_FoamY	celeron 1ghz 256mb ram	09:26
_Church_of_FoamY	120gig hd	09:26
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alex	sure you didnt download the ppc instead?	09:26
_Church_of_FoamY	ppc?	09:26
alex	did you check the md5?	09:26
_Church_of_FoamY	yea it seems fine	09:26
alex	sorry..	09:26
_Church_of_FoamY	i downloaded it like 4 times now	09:27
alex	ppc is mac	09:27
_Church_of_FoamY	lol	09:27
alex	lol	09:27
_Church_of_FoamY	oh	09:27
alex	there are different versiona	09:27
alex	*versions	09:27
_Church_of_FoamY	kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso	09:27
alex	ahh	09:27
_Church_of_FoamY	is the one i downloaded	09:27
alex	what speed did you burn it at?	09:27
_Church_of_FoamY	10x	09:27
alex	hmm...	09:27
_Church_of_FoamY	i even tryed to burn it on my winbox	09:28
_Church_of_FoamY	@ 52x	09:28
_Church_of_FoamY	and still no go	09:28
_Church_of_FoamY	:(9	09:28
alex	the only thing i could think of is to reburn at slower speeds	09:28
_Church_of_FoamY	ok i'll try it	09:28
alex	k	09:28
uniq	alex: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuIbook	09:29
alex	is it just me or did kde 3.3 use to have a games menu on the k menu	09:29
uniq	might help you with some issues.	09:29
alex	ahh thx uniq	09:29
uniq	it's basically just my notes from installing. not very informative.	09:29
alex	hmm	09:30
alex	nothing on the old airport	09:30
uniq	no. i have the new one.	09:30
alex	ya	09:30
uniq	i'm sure you'll find some info on ubuntuforums.org or something.	09:31
alex	okay	09:31
philipacamaniac	alex: games on the k menu appear when you install kdegames	09:31
uniq	if you google for 'ibook linux' you'll get alot of hits too.	09:31
_Church_of_FoamY	i'm trying it now @ 4x	09:31
alex	ya but everyone seems to just have the internet work out of the box on their machines... its always me :(	09:31
alex	okay foam	09:32
buz	wait	09:32
buz	are you trying to use airport express on that ibook?	09:32
alex	no	09:32
alex	old airport	09:32
buz	mhh that should work	09:32
alex	ahh	09:32
alex	yes, i am	09:33
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alex	express as an extension	09:33
alex	to my base	09:33
buz	airport express is not supported	09:33
alex	ahhhhhhhhh	09:33
buz	i mean the card	09:33
buz	access point is probably fine	09:33
alex	wait, express is a base	09:33
alex	extreme is a card	09:33
buz	and 11mbit in the ibook?	09:33
alex	yes	09:33
alex	54mbit as the base	09:34
buz	should work from what i hear	09:34
alex	works fine in osx	09:34
KaiL	"airport extreme" is a broadcom card. No drivers for it.	09:34
alex	doesnt work in ubuntu, kubuntu and yellowdog	09:34
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alex	but im using the old airport card	09:34
furkan	hi	09:34
alex	exactly what setting should i put in network?	09:35
uniq	hey, airport extreme is the base, express is the card.	09:35
alex	there are so many...	09:35
alex	no	09:35
uniq	yes it is.	09:35
alex	or	09:35
alex	hmm	09:35
uniq	i'm right.	09:35
alex	im confused	09:35
uniq	:)	09:35
alex	:)	09:35
alex	http://www.apple.com/airportexpress/	09:36
alex	http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/	09:36
uniq	"Enabled with AirPort Extreme technology, the iBook can surf the Web in..."	09:37
uniq	from http://www.apple.com/ibook/	09:37
uniq	i'm wrong :]	09:37
alex	ha! :)	09:37
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alex	i have a problem... when i click on a control panel and enable administrator mode, i type in my password, wait a few seconds, but then instead of seeing my control panel i see the welcome screen that says: welcome to the kde control center blablabla. how do i fix this!	09:44
philipacamaniac	yeah that's called the admin mode bug	09:45
alex	ahh	09:45
alex	im not the only one then?	09:45
philipacamaniac	it is intermittent at best, and has no current real fix	09:45
alex	darn it	09:45
alex	so how am i supposed to configure my network and go on the internet?	09:46
philipacamaniac	run kcontrol with kdesu	09:46
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philipacamaniac	(current workaround)	09:47
alex	how do i do that... sorry im new to linux :(	09:48
philipacamaniac	kdesu kcontrol	09:49
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_Church_of_FoamY	YAY! it worked ^_^	09:49
alex	yay!	09:49
KaiL	philipacamaniac: reinstalling kcontrol fixes the bug	09:49
alex	oh	09:50
KaiL	sudo apt-get --reinstall install kcontrol	09:50
KaiL	:)	09:50
alex	thanks	09:50
alex	:)	09:50
philipacamaniac	KaiL: I haven't seen that as a permanent fix...I'm running 3.4.1, latest updates, and I still occasionally have the problem	09:51
KaiL	here it didn't come back ever	09:52
philipacamaniac	that's promising, at least	09:52
_Church_of_FoamY	i'ma gonna go try it now	09:52
alex	well at least ill be able to use it at least once	09:52
alex	ok foam	09:53
alex	is it just me or are there no games in kubuntu?	09:53
alex	there used to be in kde 3.3	09:53
philipacamaniac	alex: games on the k menu appear when you install kdegames	09:53
philipacamaniac	sudo apt-get install kdegames	09:54
alex	ok	09:54
alex	ill do that when its done installing kcontrol	09:54
alex	any other cool things i should consider installing?	09:55
philipacamaniac	superkaramba, but you need 0.36, not the 0.35 in the ubuntu repository. It gives you cool desktop eyecandy, like weather applets and things.	09:55
alex	ooooh	09:55
alex	what does kubuntu ship with?	09:56
alex	0.35?	09:56
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alex	otherwise i would have to download ti	09:56
alex	*it?	09:56
philipacamaniac	Well, it doesn't ship with it, you have to get it in kynaptic, and yes it is 0.35	09:56
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alex	well ill try that when i get the internet working	09:57
philipacamaniac	good call	09:57
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_Church_of_FoamY	well that sucked :(	09:58
_Church_of_FoamY	it won't even boot with my xp cd anymore	09:58
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_Church_of_FoamY	weard	09:58
alex	hmm	09:58
alex	what do you currently have installed?	09:59
philipacamaniac	checky your BIOS settings	09:59
_Church_of_FoamY	i had xp on the same hd as my kubuntu	10:00
_Church_of_FoamY	so i qtparted it to get it off cause i thought it was the problem	10:01
alex	hmm	10:01
_Church_of_FoamY	and there isen't any setting in the bios for that	10:01
_Church_of_FoamY	i have an ibm netvista machene type 2254	10:01
philipacamaniac	alex: see this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=199107&postcount=7 for installing superkaramba (once you have Internet)	10:01
_Church_of_FoamY	and it has a very very simple bios	10:02
alex	thanks philipacamaniac	10:02
alex	cant help you there, i know almost nothing about bios since it doesnt exist on any of my computers...	10:02
philipacamaniac	foam, what is installed on any partition has no effect on whether a CD will boot	10:02
_Church_of_FoamY	oh ok	10:03
philipacamaniac	alex: no BIOS, how?	10:03
_Church_of_FoamY	but it will boot off of my ubuntu	10:03
_Church_of_FoamY	cd	10:03
_Church_of_FoamY	O_o	10:03
philipacamaniac	Starting to sound like a cdrom reading error	10:03
alex	i have macs	10:04
alex	no bios there	10:04
philipacamaniac	ahhhh	10:04
alex	open firmware instead	10:04
alex	but not simila	10:04
alex	r	10:04
philipacamaniac	ppc vs. x86 = head explodes	10:04
alex	haha	10:04
alex	actually apple just announced they will be switching to x86 in the next year	10:05
alex	so i will start having bios	10:05
alex	one day	10:05
philipacamaniac	i heard, maybe that's good news. no wait, they said Intel, I didn't hear specifically x86	10:05
alex	no but they also announced x86 today	10:05
_Church_of_FoamY	a screw it i just wanted kubuntu without the ubuntu desktop and crap	10:05
philipacamaniac	oh my, does that mean I can try out tiger some day?	10:06
alex	they have to recompile a lot of software	10:06
alex	maybe!	10:06
alex	with a small hack	10:06
philipacamaniac	_Church_of_FoamY: you can remove gnome stuff easily	10:06
philipacamaniac	of course, who needs Tiger when we have Hoary... :)	10:06
_Church_of_FoamY	onto better things	10:07
_Church_of_FoamY	like whats a good file shareing p2p program for kubuntu?	10:07
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_Church_of_FoamY	ok that was really strange....hard core lag for like the last 30sec	10:07
_Church_of_FoamY	oh really sweet how?	10:08
philipacamaniac	kmldonkey (never tried it - but I think that is what you want...)	10:08
_Church_of_FoamY	hmmm tryed it worked kinda crappy	10:08
_Church_of_FoamY	ie coulden't download	10:09
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_Church_of_FoamY	so how to remove gnome?	10:09
philipacamaniac	how about qtorrent	10:09
_Church_of_FoamY	hmm how to get?	10:09
philipacamaniac	sudo apt-get qtorrent	10:09
_Church_of_FoamY	and is it kinda like bittoreent?	10:09
philipacamaniac	sorry apt-get install qtorrent	10:09
_Church_of_FoamY	where i have to go to a site and click on a link	10:09
philipacamaniac	it is a kde frontend to BitTorrent... I'm not sure if it has search capabilities, but that's what Google is for	10:10
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_Church_of_FoamY	lol	10:10
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ubuntu	whats the username and password for kubuntu live cd?	10:10
abisen	what repos should i add if i need to install adobe acrobat reader, realplayer , java and flash	10:10
ubuntu	like if i log out how can log back in??	10:10
_Church_of_FoamY	how to remove gnome?	10:11
_Church_of_FoamY	si i only have kubuntu	10:11
philipacamaniac	abisen:http://ubuntuguide.org/	10:11
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hussam	what is an Autopackage?	10:12
philipacamaniac	foamy, there are a lot a specific gnome packages to remove, let me find the list	10:14
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philipacamaniac	hussam: it is a new way of packaging software...supposedly distribution independant	10:14
philipacamaniac	as in, will install on Slackware, Debian, Kubuntu, you name it	10:14
_Church_of_FoamY	ok	10:15
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abisen	philipacamaniac: how do i add the security key the synaptic is saying not authenticate di know we have to import gpg ... is there steps to do that somewhere	10:16
hussam	philipacamaniac: do I need a specific application to install an autopackage or do I just ./aaaaa.package ?	10:16
philipacamaniac	the software developers (the GIMP people for example) have to create the autopackage...I'm not sure if there are any special requirements you need in your distro (of course if you did that defeats the whole purpose)	10:16
philipacamaniac	abisen: you don't need to import a security key... all the repos (except for kubuntu.org) have signed packages	10:17
alex	hmm... "Package kdegames is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source."	10:17
philipacamaniac	abisen: you should be able to safely ignore "Not Authenticated" messages	10:17
alex	just after sudo apt-get install kdegames	10:17
alex	what should i do?	10:18
thor\|away	alex: it's in main - your sources are not properly configured	10:18
thor\|away	or you failed to update	10:18
alex	well i dont have internet...	10:19
philipacamaniac	that would be why	10:19
alex	it doesnt work	10:19
abisen	wow firefox is not a part of kubuntu and it is for ubuntu ... is konqueror good enough already to compete with firefox	10:19
_Church_of_FoamY	than how are ya here?	10:19
philipacamaniac	apt-get grabs things from the Internet	10:19
alex	im here on osx	10:19
alex	my imac	10:19
philipacamaniac	foamy, loll	10:19
_Church_of_FoamY	oh lol	10:19
alex	lol	10:19
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alex	then why did sudo apt-get --reinstall install kcontrol	10:20
alex	work	10:20
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philipacamaniac	abisen: mostly, except for Gmail support... although the SVN (development source code version) now passes the Acid2 test, meaning it is better than Firefox	10:20
thor\|away	abisen: actually konqueror has been around for longer than firefox :)	10:20
Alex[RM-UK]	Hi	10:20
cevans	Does anyone here use kmail with disconnected imap and a bincimap server?	10:20
abisen	thor\|away: well gecko is older than khtml	10:20
philipacamaniac	alex: because that simply removed the package contents and reinstalled them	10:20
alex	ah	10:20
thor\|away	abisen: true, good point :)	10:21
Alex[RM-UK]	I have 2 Hard Drives - HD0(HDA) = Kubuntu, HD1(HDB) = Windows XP	10:21
philipacamaniac	abisen: wait till Zack Rusin puts out a Qt Firefox port	10:21
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Alex[RM-UK]	I am trying to confuguirng GRUB to boot to windows when I select it	10:21
Alex[RM-UK]	but when ever I select it and press enter, it comes up with chainloader+1 and stays there for ever	10:21
abisen	philipacamaniac: wow a Qt port to firefox that'll be good when i can share my bookmarks between konqueror	10:21
Alex[RM-UK]	How can I make GRUB dual boot to XP on a different hard drive?	10:22
philipacamaniac	abisen: well that's what I'm hoping for.. plus Konqueror with Gecko, Firefox with KHTML, and KDE integration in Firefox	10:22
alex	i have yet another problem: when i'm in control center, in network settings, when i click on one of the two available network devices (ethernet and wireless), i click enable, its enabled for maybe one second, then goes back to disabled...	10:22
alex	aargh!!	10:23
Alex[RM-UK]	hi alex lol	10:23
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alex	why cant it be as simple as osx (as far as networking)	10:23
alex	hi alex	10:23
alex	lol	10:23
philipacamaniac	alex" that means it is not receiving a DHCP address, and thus can't be enabled	10:23
Alex[RM-UK]	^^	10:23
alex	oh	10:23
alex	so then i would have to go about and manually enter ip information and such?	10:24
alex	or another fix?	10:24
philipacamaniac	alex: DHCP works fine... assuming your DHCP server (usually your router) is properly connected to your Kubuntu machine, you shouldn't have problems	10:24
alex	well its not connected physically	10:25
philipacamaniac	that's why eth0 wouldn't work	10:25
alex	but it says that eth0 is the wireless	10:25
alex	and eth1 is ethernet	10:26
philipacamaniac	okay well that's why eth1 didn't work	10:26
alex	but eth0 doesnt work either	10:26
philipacamaniac	eth0 seems to have driver issues (still)	10:26
alex	it should	10:26
alex	oh	10:26
alex	hmm	10:26
Alex[RM-UK]	I use DHCP	10:26
philipacamaniac	DHCP works fine when your card works fine	10:27
philipacamaniac	:)	10:27
Alex[RM-UK]	mine's in tip top conditions. nothing wrong with anything	10:27
philipacamaniac	same as Mac and Windoze	10:27
alex	well i have a dual boot mac-hoary and mac works fine	10:27
Alex[RM-UK]	what doesnt actually work?	10:28
alex	im not too sure	10:28
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alex	lol	10:28
philipacamaniac	Alex: I know, but the driver for your airport isn't fully supported (AKAIK)	10:28
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alex	so is there any other way to get internet?	10:28
mats	alex: ;) ubuntu on mac works like heaven	10:28
pat^	hi, are there any boot disks available for kubuntu ? i need to install kubuntu on a notebook, but it doesn't support booting from the external usb drive	10:28
philipacamaniac	plug in...	10:28
_Church_of_FoamY	i have a powerpc in the basement a 5400/120 i think	10:29
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alex	whoa	10:29
_Church_of_FoamY	what?	10:29
alex	ive got a g3 on this thing	10:29
alex	how did you get linux on that?	10:29
alex	or did you not	10:29
Alex[RM-UK]	with a cd :P	10:29
_Church_of_FoamY	i get them from the local schools when they upgrade	10:29
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_Church_of_FoamY	i diden't yet	10:30
alex	ahh	10:30
alex	sorry	10:30
_Church_of_FoamY	but i was thinking of trying it	10:30
_Church_of_FoamY	i can't sell them with os 9.2.2 anymore	10:30
alex	so there's absolutely no way i could get my wireless hooked up	10:30
_Church_of_FoamY	nothin will run on it	10:30
alex	ya	10:30
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alex	way too old	10:30
alex	how fast is it?	10:30
_Church_of_FoamY	the mac	10:31
_Church_of_FoamY	?	10:31
alex	yes	10:31
_Church_of_FoamY	idunno 100mhz	10:31
philipacamaniac	pat^: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto	10:31
_Church_of_FoamY	but i got 17 of them i wanna sell	10:31
_Church_of_FoamY	at $50.00 each comes with everything	10:31
Alex[RM-UK]	cya	10:31
alex	bye	10:31
_Church_of_FoamY	keyboard mouse cables ethernet the works	10:32
alex	cool church, 17 wow	10:32
_Church_of_FoamY	so i was thinking of installing ubuntu on them	10:32
_Church_of_FoamY	and selling them to people for there kids	10:32
alex	will it run?	10:32
_Church_of_FoamY	i don't know	10:32
philipacamaniac	I highly doubt it, but again ppc vs. x86 = head explodes	10:32
_Church_of_FoamY	but alot of people have been talking about how they but it on macs	10:32
philipacamaniac	yes, but not ancient macs	10:33
_Church_of_FoamY	hey you never know it might actually work	10:33
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_Church_of_FoamY	cause i can get alot more macs if it does	10:33
pestilence	what is the proper way of hibernating in kubuntu?	10:33
_Church_of_FoamY	you take a hammer and........	10:33
philipacamaniac	I can't get it running well on any of my old 386/486 systems	10:33
_Church_of_FoamY	lol	10:34
_Church_of_FoamY	i thought linux was desighen for legacy machenes	10:34
pestilence	i would expect an option in the logoff menu, as in gnome/ubuntu. but there is not.	10:34
_Church_of_FoamY	i think it's in the controll panel options	10:35
_Church_of_FoamY	under power	10:35
alex	and why does my computer say in its text form that it cant find cpu frequency blablabla when waking it from sleep?	10:35
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_Church_of_FoamY	that i don't know	10:35
alex	does anyone else have this problem?	10:35
_Church_of_FoamY	you might wanna ask someone else	10:35
alex	ya	10:35
_Church_of_FoamY	lol	10:36
pestilence	The /usr/bin/klaptop_acpi_helper application does not seem to have the same size or checksum as when it was compiled we do NOT recommend you proceed with making it setuid-root without further investigation	10:36
philipacamaniac	ppc...	10:36
cevans	alex: what type of laptop?	10:36
_Church_of_FoamY	if i get it running i'll tell you guys	10:36
alex	ibook g3	10:36
nmorse	God, Apple's switching to Intel!!!!!!	10:36
_Church_of_FoamY	that way you can useit	10:36
alex	ya, just saw	10:36
_Church_of_FoamY	WHAT????	10:36
alex	hehe	10:36
Choubaka	And Sarge was released.	10:36
nmorse	I'm scared crapless	10:36
_Church_of_FoamY	where did you see it????	10:36
_Church_of_FoamY	what site?	10:37
alex	macrumors.com for one of the many sites	10:37
cevans	quite a few sites have it	10:37
nmorse	Look anywhere	10:37
Choubaka	http://people.zoy.org/~sam/phd-sarge.png	10:37
Choubaka	;)	10:37
_Church_of_FoamY	shit that means say good by to the mac	10:37
_Church_of_FoamY	:(	10:37
_Church_of_FoamY	i really liked them too	10:37
alex	i dont want that ugly pentium sticker on my next mac! or that jingle: ding, ding dign da diiiiigggnnn!	10:37
Choubaka	nmorse: Even _SLASHDOT_ has reported it ;P	10:38
alex	sucks	10:38
alex	at least amd...	10:38
alex	but no, pentium wtf!	10:38
Choubaka	Anyway, I don't think the quality of laptops will degrade too much.	10:38
alex	oh well	10:38
pestilence	well if /. reported it, it must be true.	10:38
Choubaka	since they're still going to be propritary computers.	10:38
Choubaka	prie* :P	10:38
nmorse	I'm officially quitting Macs (though the addiction may come back)	10:38
Choubaka	Why?	10:39
Choubaka	;P	10:39
alex	why?	10:39
alex	its still osx	10:39
alex	just the cpu changes	10:39
Choubaka	It's not like the PowerPC makes a mac good.	10:39
alex	everything is the same, basically	10:39
alex	ya	10:39
alex	exactly Choubaka	10:39
philipacamaniac	although the G5 chip is 64 bit... and they usually include 2 chips	10:40
Choubaka	And as I sad, as far as I know apple is still going to regulate what hardware you use.	10:40
_Church_of_FoamY	yea but it still won't be the same :(	10:40
Choubaka	said*	10:40
philipacamaniac	so we'd be talking about x64 if this were comparable	10:40
Choubaka	foqifjioqejw typos.	10:40
alex	well its not going to happen overnight	10:40
alex	slowly over a few years	10:40
Choubaka	this is just hearsay, but they say that apple is not going to use a BIOS in their comps	10:40
alex	just ibm couldnt keep up	10:41
nmorse	2 years	10:41
alex	yay!	10:41
Choubaka	just Openfirmware.	10:41
alex	i hate bios	10:41
nmorse	Two dadgum years till all Macs run on Intel!	10:41
alex	yuck	10:41
philipacamaniac	I highly doubt the x86 statements... 32-bit is an ancient 10-year old architecture	10:41
Choubaka	You probably won't be seeing any general el-crappy-cheapo computers running OS X though.	10:41
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_Church_of_FoamY	<span class="textPln">At Apple's Worldwide Developer Conference today,	10:42
_Church_of_FoamY	CEO Steve Jobs announced plans to deliver Macs using Intel	10:42
_Church_of_FoamY	microprocessors by this time next year, and to transition all of its</span>	10:42
_Church_of_FoamY	thats just a portion of the article	10:42
_Church_of_FoamY	:(	10:42
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philipacamaniac	My guess is the contract includes intel creating a new line of processors for Mac	10:42
Choubaka	I'm saying the quality of macs is unlikely to go down.	10:42
_Church_of_FoamY	http://www.macnn.com/	10:43
_Church_of_FoamY	it won't be the same "feel" though	10:43
Choubaka	Why not?	10:43
_Church_of_FoamY	macs will no longer be "diffrent"	10:43
alex	well they demoed at wwdc macs running tiger and stuff, and later on they revealed this was being demoed on a pentium4	10:43
Choubaka	It'll be cute apple machines with OS X	10:43
Choubaka	just the processor has changed.	10:44
_Church_of_FoamY	i dunno man i still don't like it	10:44
Choubaka	And You can't even see the processor.	10:44
_Church_of_FoamY	yea macs always used like no nmae cpus	10:44
_Church_of_FoamY	no name even	10:44
Choubaka	_Church_of_FoamY: You're just prejudiced.	10:44
alex	apparently the new apps will use "fat" binairies that work on ppc and intel	10:44
philipacamaniac	dual G5s runs infinite circles around a single POS Pentium 4	10:44
alex	ya	10:44
_Church_of_FoamY	no but i tell ya whay an amd box "feels" diffrent than an intell box	10:45
Choubaka	We'll see what happens.	10:45
Choubaka	Don't panic!	10:45
alex	i always hated intel	10:45
alex	preffered amd	10:45
alex	but who knows...	10:45
philipacamaniac	Pentium 4 doesn't even compare -- it isn't in the same league	10:45
Choubaka	I doubt they will use P4s :P	10:45
Choubaka	They will use something 64bit	10:45
philipacamaniac	32bit vs. 64bit.... what the &*%&# are they thinking?	10:45
nmorse	Pentium M's for laptops could be nice though	10:45
Choubaka	philipacamaniac: hm?	10:46
Choubaka	Who says they're going 32bit? :P	10:46
philipacamaniac	I don't know, I have a Pentium M, and my buddy's new PowerBook puts my Sager to shame	10:46
_Church_of_FoamY	you know what this means though	10:46
Choubaka	They demoed the intelmac stuff on a P4, yes.	10:46
philipacamaniac	Choubaka: P4 is 32 bit	10:46
Choubaka	but that's just to show the transition will be easy.	10:46
KaiL	philipacamaniac: nop.	10:46
_Church_of_FoamY	intell would actually have to desighn something that was actually.......good	10:47
pestilence	ah....you right click on the battery app, it has the suspend/hibernate options	10:47
KaiL	Prescott is amd64	10:47
Choubaka	OS X and its APIs are portable.	10:47
alex	but the powermacs will not switch from g5 to p4...	10:47
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philipacamaniac	KaiL: amd?	10:47
_Church_of_FoamY	brb i'm gonna go get one of the macs from the basement and try to put ubuntu on it	10:47
KaiL	or call it x86_64 ;)	10:47
Choubaka	Anyway, they _will not_ back to 32bit.	10:47
Choubaka	I am almost certain of that.	10:48
Choubaka	because it would be idiotic.	10:48
Choubaka	Why would apple do something idiotic?	10:48
alex	apparently the consumer machines will switch first, like the mac mini and ibook, then when intel will have 64bit ready the powermacs will switch too	10:48
ataxic	desperate?	10:48
philipacamaniac	KaiL: I was unaware...	10:48
philipacamaniac	KaiL: googling..	10:49
Choubaka	Now, they're going to use intel processors because intel can make processors cheaper than apple can.	10:49
alex	you mean ibm	10:49
alex	:)	10:49
philipacamaniac	apple didn't make the ppc, IBM did	10:49
philipacamaniac	yeah	10:49
philipacamaniac	:)	10:49
Choubaka	well, yes.	10:49
_Church_of_FoamY	yea but apple makes em better than intell lol	10:49
Choubaka	_Church_of_FoamY: Who knows.	10:49
Choubaka	Maybe they'll come up with something new.	10:49
philipacamaniac	yeah... who knows...	10:49
_Church_of_FoamY	and apple always is meticulus about there parts	10:50
alex	ya, in two years things will change	10:50
Choubaka	And macs will be cheaper.	10:50
alex	yay!	10:50
_Church_of_FoamY	ditto	10:50
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Choubaka	and people can run OS X, which is a wonderful OS, virus-free and all that.	10:50
_Church_of_FoamY	oh i'm shure it will get viruses	10:50
Choubaka	Well, some.	10:50
_Church_of_FoamY	all popular osses get them	10:50
_Church_of_FoamY	it just takes a while	10:51
Choubaka	But it's not as bad as Windows. :)	10:51
alex	does linux have viruses?	10:51
_Church_of_FoamY	true	10:51
philipacamaniac	It matters not to anyone in here, because we all love Kubuntu+KDE	10:51
Choubaka	None active.	10:51
_Church_of_FoamY	only 2 that i know of	10:51
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nmorse	No, popularity has nothing to do with virus attacks	10:51
Choubaka	Windows gets even fiercer competition! Yayay.	10:51
_Church_of_FoamY	but they can't do anything	10:51
alex	well unless a virus can somehow get root acces, there will be no viruses	10:51
nmorse	Apache gets fewer viruses than ISS	10:51
_Church_of_FoamY	lol	10:51
nmorse	But it's way more popular	10:51
philipacamaniac	alex: they are called rootkits	10:51
thoreauputic	_Church_of_FoamY: can you name another OS besides Windows that gets viruses? I can't think of one...	10:51
alex	ahh, sorry	10:52
Choubaka	And OS X is easier to use than Windows, they say.	10:52
alex	oh ya	10:52
_Church_of_FoamY	i don't know linux is really growing in popularity sence last year	10:52
philipacamaniac	alex: never seen one in the wild, but they supposedly exist	10:52
_ubuntu	i cant decide between kubunutu and ubuntu ...	10:52
Choubaka	_ubuntu: try both	10:52
_Church_of_FoamY	lol	10:52
Choubaka	you know, they're the same distro	10:52
_Church_of_FoamY	they just do things a diffrent way	10:52
Choubaka	install ubuntu first, then install the package "kubuntu-desktop"	10:52
_ubuntu	yes, i mean kde or gnome	10:52
nmorse	Use ubuntu, then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop	10:52
nmorse	If you try GNOME, you'll love KDE when you find it	10:53
alex	can i do the same with kubuntu?	10:53
mats	why would you? :p	10:53
mats	hihi	10:53
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alex	apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?	10:53
philipacamaniac	KDE seems to be more integrated together, while GNOME (in Ubuntu) seems to be more polished	10:53
alex	dunno ;)	10:53
thoreauputic	philipacamaniac: the new xfce4 is very nice too, actually	10:54
philipacamaniac	I agree.. it is quite nice	10:54
gensn	i heared something about kde4 "plasma" and stuff... is there something planned for gnome (3?)	10:54
alex	what kind of a name is xfce4?? lol	10:54
thoreauputic	alex: I expect there's a nerdy story behind that one :)	10:55
alex	hehe	10:55
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bobbyd	hi	10:56
bobbyd	how do I h	10:56
alex	anyway its pretty amazing that this news of apple and intel made its way even into a kubuntu irc channel...	10:56
thoreauputic	alex: but then, what kind of a name is "XP" for that matter ;-)	10:56
philipacamaniac	gensn: yeah... can't remember... oh yeah: http://gnome.org/~seth/	10:56
bobbyd	how do I change the font size in kynaptic? the fonts are huge...	10:56
thoreauputic	alex: quite afew linux people run macs ( I have ubuntu on an iBook G4 for example)	10:57
alex	thoreauputic: yeah lol	10:57
alex	ah	10:57
alex	me too	10:57
philipacamaniac	xfce = Cholesterol Free Environment (so I guess it should be CFE)	10:57
thoreauputic	ah	10:58
gensn	philipacamaniac: yeah, there open gl "wobble-windows" are nice :)	10:59
philipacamaniac	see my latest blog entry for a roundup of KDE4 coolness: http://www.philipandjenny.com/2005/06/06/kde-4-will-be-awesome/	10:59
hussam	guys, I have a question. what is this file /proc/kcore ? It is a 384MB file	10:59
philipacamaniac	gensn: I hope it is cool, so KDE can be better :)	10:59
alex	okay well i have to go, be guys!	10:59
alex	*bye	10:59
philipacamaniac	competition is good	10:59
thoreauputic	hussam: /proc is virtual - it doesn't really take up the space you are seeing	11:00
_Church_of_FoamY	forgot i had to download the ubuntu ISO again	11:00
gensn	true that :>	11:00
_Church_of_FoamY	:P	11:00
mats	hihi	11:00
alex	bye	11:00
philipacamaniac	hussam: linux treats processes and memory space as files	11:00
hussam	thoreauputic: Ok	11:00
hussam	so this file is 384MB because I have 384MB of ram on this PC?	11:01
philipacamaniac	indeed	11:01
gensn	i like kde and used in on suse, but i think gnome is a little bit faster sometimes, but not so user friendly... ah dunno...	11:01
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philipacamaniac	KDE really does want a faster machine... but the latest GNOME is getting up there, too.	11:02
bobbyd	philipacamaniac: is there an ETA for KDE 4?	11:02
morten	Aloha :)	11:02
thoreauputic	gensn: interesting - KDE "feels" a bit quicker on this machine	11:02
philipacamaniac	bobbyd: 2006 is all we know	11:02
_Church_of_FoamY	why does it want a faster machene?	11:02
hussam	I'm installing xfce 4.2.2 now using xfce4-4.2.2-installer.bin	11:02
morten	... where was it you could get that thing that would fix kdelibs __	11:02
morten	?? even	11:03
philipacamaniac	bobbyd: hopefully before longhorn	11:03
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philipacamaniac	:)	11:03
_Church_of_FoamY	fluxbox?	11:03
thoreauputic	philipacamaniac: about the same time as Duke Nukem Forever , then ;-) ?	11:04
philipacamaniac	no, no... KDE has good release history	11:04
_Church_of_FoamY	what is fluxbox?	11:04
thoreauputic	_Church_of_FoamY: fluxbox is a very small, quick window manager	11:04
_Church_of_FoamY	oh ok	11:04
philipacamaniac	but KDE 3.5 will almost certainly come first (Fall 2005)	11:04
_Church_of_FoamY	i get it	11:04
morten	.... Once there was a link in the "headline" to where that shell-file-thingie that fixed kdelibs could be downloaded.. anyone remember where _	11:06
_Church_of_FoamY	how come when i'm doing alot of things the music i play get kinda skippy?	11:06
philipacamaniac	Some discussion of the release schedule... http://commit-digest.org/index.php?issue=jun32005	11:06
thoreauputic	morten: if you mean kdelibs-debug.sh , I have a copy here	11:07
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morten	Yup.. thats the one..	11:08
thoreauputic	morten: I could probably DCC it to you if you like	11:08
philipacamaniac	does he need that? There is an updated kdelibs...	11:08
morten	What ever DCC means ... it would be great :)	11:08
morten	(is kinda new to linux and irc thingie)	11:08
thoreauputic	yes, I don't think it's necesary	11:08
nmorse	ftp://www.betterthanducttape.com/kdelibs-debug.sh has it too	11:08
morten	Ill just get it from there	11:08
thoreauputic	morten: are you sure you need it?	11:09
hussam	philipacamaniac: does this "/usr/share/autopackage" directory exist on your PC?	11:09
_Church_of_FoamY	anyone know?	11:09
morten	Nope.. i did last time i installed kubuntu	11:09
philipacamaniac	hussam: no	11:09
thoreauputic	_Church_of_FoamY: do you have on-board sound?	11:09
RetroMan	church: how much RAM do you have?	11:09
_Church_of_FoamY	yes	11:09
_Church_of_FoamY	128mb	11:09
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philipacamaniac	hussam: http://commit-digest.org/index.php?issue=jun32005	11:09
_Church_of_FoamY	i mean 256mb	11:09
philipacamaniac	hussam: sorry, wrong link	11:10
thoreauputic	morten: the kdelibs issue is fixed now	11:10
morten	ahhh, ok.. then I dont need it :)	11:10
philipacamaniac	hussam: http://autopackage.org	11:10
thoreauputic	_Church_of_FoamY: well, sound uses CPU so if you are doing something CPU intensive your sound might suffer	11:11
_Church_of_FoamY	is that just onboard?	11:11
_Church_of_FoamY	or any sound at all?	11:12
thoreauputic	a dedicated sound card will always perform best, of course	11:12
thoreauputic	if it's any good	11:12
philipacamaniac	hussan: looks like all you have to do to a .package file is make it executable (right click - properties - permissions - is executable)	11:12
philipacamaniac	*hussam	11:12
_Church_of_FoamY	i have an ISA one a sb-16 i think	11:13
hussam	philipacamaniac: Ok , got that	11:13
_Church_of_FoamY	lool	11:13
thoreauputic	_Church_of_FoamY: ISA can be a pain to configure	11:14
_Church_of_FoamY	hey is there a program that will let you record internet radio?	11:14
nmorse	The only sound card that uses less CPU is really the Audigy series	11:14
_Church_of_FoamY	oh ok	11:14
gensn	i hate that - why does ctrl+c / ctrl+v - copy / paste not work properly whith kde?	11:14
thoreauputic	_Church_of_FoamY: sure, get streamripper and streamtuner	11:14
nmorse	They have a built-in DSP that cuts down on CPU usage	11:14
_Church_of_FoamY	i think i can get one of those	11:14
nmorse	Foamy, don't bother	11:14
_Church_of_FoamY	is that an apt-get?	11:15
_Church_of_FoamY	or a synaptic thing?	11:15
nmorse	Just set whatever program you use to play sound to a higher priority	11:15
thoreauputic	_Church_of_FoamY: yes	11:15
_Church_of_FoamY	sweet	11:15
thoreauputic	_Church_of_FoamY: get both	11:15
morten	Anyone of you tried that... GTK-QT thingie.. that makes GTK-windows look like QT (or something like that)	11:15
nmorse	Yeah, I use it	11:15
thoreauputic	streamtuner works with streamripper to rip mp3 etc from shoutcast	11:16
morten	Is it good __	11:16
nmorse	The only problem is the GTK File selector is still as ugly as sin	11:16
nmorse	It works great otherwise	11:16
abisen	hey i installed firefox on kubuntu and the fonts on the firefox interface are too small .. where do i make them appear decent ??	11:16
philipacamaniac	abisen: in the interface, or on webpages?	11:17
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abisen	philipacamaniac: interfaces	11:17
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philipacamaniac	abisen: do you have gtk2-engines-gtk-qt ?	11:18
abisen	philipacamaniac: nopes	11:19
philipacamaniac	abisen: having that package allows you to control the font size of gnome/gtk applications	11:19
abisen	philipacamaniac: installing ...	11:19
philipacamaniac	abisen: once installed, a new option in the KDE Control Center will appear in Appearence & Themes: "GTK Styles and Fonts"	11:20
abisen	philipacamaniac: thanks a lot ... i am installing them now !!! internet speed is slow...it's still downloading	11:21
abisen	philipacamaniac: that'll help a lot right now ... firefox looks ugly	11:21
philipacamaniac	you might also install the Firefox Plastikfox Crystal SVG theme (from the Firefox theme site)	11:22
abisen	somehow the KDE looks much more slicker faster and cleaner in kubuntu as compared to SuSE's version on KDE	11:22
gensn	definitly faster	11:23
philipacamaniac	abisen: probably because of the lipstik/plastik window themes	11:23
abisen	gensn: and 200% less cluttered	11:23
thoreauputic	abisen: kubuntu is a nice job, indeed	11:23
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morten	what is the "misc windows fonts" package called in apt-get ??	11:26
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philipacamaniac	morten: msttcorefonts	11:28
nmorse	mscorewebfonts?	11:28
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_Church_of_FoamY	why wont stream runner pull up stations from live365.com but it will for shoutcast?	11:28
philipacamaniac	yeah that too	11:28
mats	look in /usr/lib/kde3 i dont know	11:28
morten	Tanks :)	11:28
bobbyd	how do I add a new group for users to be part of?	11:29
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philipacamaniac	sudo addgroup	11:30
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morten	"Custom Firefox Forms - Make you firefox form widgets look decent" is from them auto script for new users.... there are some of the things in that script i dont want, so I'm installing them manual... what is that package called ....	11:30
morten	(will soon be finished asking questions)	11:30
nmorse	Is there some dadgum way to dadgum make the PlastikFox buttons smaller?	11:30
philipacamaniac	dadgum yes	11:31
philipacamaniac	nmorse: dadgum right click that there toolbar and hit yer customize, then check that there box that says "Use Small Icons"	11:31
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philipacamaniac	:)	11:31
dtorg29	no on gaim	11:32
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abisen	i am building/installing vmware and it needs kernel sources what package do i install for that i installed linux-source and it downloaded a tar.gz in /usr/src/ i need the kernel source ???	11:33
abisen	i need linux-headers-i386 meta package :)	11:35
philipacamaniac	linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386	11:36
philipacamaniac	(assuming you are using the 386 kernel)	11:36
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bobbyd	philipacamaniac: ok, when I do sudo usermod -G newGroup myUser then I log out and back in and do groups, I don't see the new group	11:37
philipacamaniac	has anyone got full Gmail to work in Konqueror yet?	11:38
Chislon	hi	11:38
philipacamaniac	bobbyd: do it from a Konsole... have you created the group yet	11:38
bobbyd	philipacamaniac: oops, I just screwed the groups on my user	11:39
Chislon	when using the kde messenger it tries to save my password in te k wallets thing.... but when i put in the password i just set up, it says read error, possibly wrong password... i dont get it	11:39
bobbyd	philipacamaniac: how do I restore the default groups?	11:39
philipacamaniac	bobbyd: hold on	11:39
philipacamaniac	bobbyd: btw, you shouldn't need to log out to apply a group change	11:39
_Church_of_FoamY	any idea why streamcast won't see stations from live365.com	11:41
_Church_of_FoamY	but shoucast stations work	11:41
bobbyd	_Church_of_FoamY: ports are blocked?	11:41
_Church_of_FoamY	i can play it through mozilla with kaffiene	11:42
philipacamaniac	bobbyd: http://rafb.net/paste/results/GKUG6U39.html	11:42
bobbyd	philipacamaniac: thanks :)	11:42
_Church_of_FoamY	but i can't play it with that program you guys recommended	11:42
_Church_of_FoamY	it dosen't see live365.com	11:42
philipacamaniac	bobbyd: also, there should be a group with your username... make sure you are in there too	11:42
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_Church_of_FoamY	it's weard	11:43
_Church_of_FoamY	if it is a port which one?	11:43
_morten	how come that when i get nvidia driver installed everything gets extreamly big.... ?	11:43
bobbyd	philipacamaniac: the problem is, I can't modify the user now because I can't get root because I'm not in the sudoers file :(	11:44
bobbyd	_Church_of_FoamY: no idea	11:44
_Church_of_FoamY	beacuse theres a station that i really want to record from live365 and i even know the name of it	11:44
_Church_of_FoamY	i just don't know how to put it in the player	11:45
_Church_of_FoamY	so i can play and record	11:45
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bobbyd	philipacamaniac: I assume 'adm' is your username?	11:46
philipacamaniac	no... I didn't include the username, adm is another group	11:46
bobbyd	OK	11:46
bobbyd	any ideas about getting to be root?	11:47
philipacamaniac	bobbyd: btw, if you don't want users to be able to sudo, just remove them from admin	11:47
philipacamaniac	oh, hmm	11:47
philipacamaniac	other than sudo -i ?	11:47
bobbyd	where would I run that from?	11:48
nmorse	sudo passwd root	11:48
nmorse	That'll get you a root account	11:48
philipacamaniac	yes, but understand that it isn't recommended by ubuntu devels or canonical	11:48
bobbyd	nmorse: it just says I'm not i nthe sudoers file	11:48
philipacamaniac	okay, you need to be in the admin group	11:49
bobbyd	philipacamaniac: but I broke it by nuking my user's groups	11:49
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philipacamaniac	hmm,	11:49
bobbyd	so I can't change the groups I'm in	11:49
bobbyd	oh dear :(	11:49
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dabugas	hi	11:50
philipacamaniac	well, if you don't have a working sudo user, you may have to boot from the install cd (or the live cd), and use that root to add your user back to admin	11:51
bobbyd	ok	11:51
bobbyd	how can I use the install CD to do that?	11:51
philipacamaniac	I'm thinking...	11:51
bobbyd	ok, sorry about this	11:51
philipacamaniac	no prob -its fun!	11:52
bobbyd	can't I start in single user mode	11:52
bobbyd	and fix it that way somehow?	11:52
_morten	Anyone have that GTK-QT theme engine as a .deb file ??	11:52
dabugas	i was fiddling with the keyboard layouts in the kde control center and for some reason the (') has turned into accent and the (") into umlauts. any way I can reset xkb? (just "default"ing everything in the control panel didn't work.)	11:52
nmorse	gtk2-theme-gtk-qt or something like that, _morten	11:53
philipacamaniac	bobbyd: just reboot, and on the grub menu, choose "recovery mode", it will give you a root prompt (without a password hopefully)	11:53
nmorse	gtk2-engines-gtk-qt	11:53
nmorse	Is the correct name, _morten	11:53
_morten	Yeah... I think	11:53
bobbyd	philipacamaniac: I'm there :)	11:54
bobbyd	philipacamaniac: is the default group for a user bob, 'bob'?	11:55
philipacamaniac	then why are you still here? j/k lol	11:55
_morten	ahh well, AFK.. Seinfeld...	11:55
philipacamaniac	bobbyd: yes, plus all the other groups	11:55
bobbyd	philipacamaniac: ok cool, it's working, thanks :)	11:55
philipacamaniac	bobbyd: any user created after your first user will not be in any groups	11:56
Chislon	what are iptables	11:56
dabugas	can anyone help me? i've run out of hair! :)	11:56
nmorse	try rogaine	11:57
philipacamaniac	Chislon: IP packet rules, basically a firewall... you can install guarddog (a KDE frontend for configuring iptables)	11:58
philipacamaniac	Chislon: It is in the Universe section of the ubuntu repositories	11:58
Chislon	philipacamaniac, ohh ok thank you	11:58
Chislon	philipacamaniac, is that better htan firestarter? some forums im reading say guarddog isnt secure or somehting?	11:59
philipacamaniac	firestarter is a gnome program, guarddog is KDE. I haven't heard anything about security flaws in either program.	11:59
philipacamaniac	I have to go, see ya later on!	12:00
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