[12:01] <dreumah> how do i set up a network with windows workstations?
[12:02] <dreumah> my friends are to ignorant to change
[12:07] <anna> dreumah: like any other network?
[12:08] <bobbyd> how do I install a minimal server? the installer seems to just install a standard distro
[12:08] <anna> press f1 when you boot the cd
[12:08] <bobbyd> ahh cool
[12:08] <anna> you should see something there
[12:08] <bobbyd> thanks
[12:08] <dreumah> i am wanting to share folder with windows computers, and vice versa
[12:09] <dreumah> how do i do that with kubuntu?
[12:09] <anna> well, do you have DHCP there?
[12:10] <dreumah> there?
[12:10] <anna> well, do you want to create a network, or connect to a network
[12:11] <tvakah> anyone have a ksvn deb for kubuntu?
[12:12] <dreumah> connect
[12:12] <dreumah> i am already in the internet through the network i just want to see the windows shares
[12:13] <anna> Ah... can you try to enter smb:// in konqueror
[12:14] <anna> no wait, it is remote://
[12:14] <uniq> smb:/ with one /
[12:14] <dreumah> alright
[12:14] <anna> When you launch konqueror, it shows a screen that goes to network as well
[12:15] <anna> There is remote:/
[12:16] <dreumah> are all the repos working?
[12:16] <dreumah> i know now how to see the shares, thanks
[12:16] <uniq> gnite.
[12:16] <anna> what repos do you mean?
[12:16] <dreumah> because i am trying to get the a game and i cant get one of the dependecies
[12:16] <anna> can you say which?
[12:16] <kalenedrael> apollo2011, get the kernel-headers package
[12:17] <dreumah> nevermind its working now
[12:17] <dreumah> strange
[12:17] <error403> damn.... can anybody remember where the fix for the kdelibs-data problem is?
[12:18] <error403> anybody?
[12:24] <error403> hello?
[12:24] <error403> please?
[12:25] <nmorse> hang on
[12:25] <bobbyd> how do i get flash to work in konqueror?
[12:25] <error403> lol
[12:25] <error403> sorry
[12:30] <nmorse> all right, error403, try ftp://www.betterthanducttape.com/kdelibs-debug.sh
[12:30] <nmorse> Login anonymously
[12:31] <nmorse> bobbyd: if you install the mozilla flash plugin, a simple plugin scan from the Configure Plugins screen in Konq's preferences will find it
[12:31] <CellarDoor> Is anyone excited about Plasma ?
[12:31] <nmorse> Plasma?
[12:31] <CellarDoor> cause I am :D
[12:31] <CellarDoor> yah
[12:32] <nmorse> Like, what is it?
[12:32] <error403> thanks nmorse!
[12:32] <CellarDoor> Exlpanation is here: http://plasma.bddf.ca/cms/1029
[12:33] <CellarDoor> a single coherent application for the desktop and panels called Plasma
[12:33] <error403> nmorse, cant connect....
[12:33] <nmorse> don't try passive ftp
[12:33] <error403> hmm
[12:34] <error403> well, im using a browser...
[12:34] <nmorse> For some reason, my pure-ftpd won't do passive ftp'
[12:34] <nmorse> Try using wget maybe
[12:35] <error403> still not working
[12:35] <error403> using wget
[12:36] <nmorse> hmm
[12:36] <error403> DCC?
[12:36] <CellarDoor> By offering the same applets and icons for both the desktop and the panel, including seamless drag and drop between them, Plasma will break the barrier between the these two desktop elements. If the user wants to move the clock from a panel to the desktop, they should be able to. Anything that works on the desktop should work the same on the panels, and vice versa.
[12:37] <apollo2011> What packages do I install for the kernel sources?
[12:37] <apollo2011> Why is the latest kernel package different than the latest kernel source package?
[12:37] <nmorse> Because Debian Sid is what Ubuntu is based on and they actually take a look at security issues in each kernel before releasing it (or so I hear)
[12:38] <CellarDoor> More than ever before, people are demanding gorgeous interfaces built on sophisticated graphic design. Using the new graphics capabilities available with KDE4, Plasma will look dead sexy. If you've seen SuperKaramba widgets, then you've seen the beginning of what is possible.
[12:38] <CellarDoor> :D
[12:38] <nmorse> I read the page, and I'm kind of excited about the Superkaramba devel working on it
[12:39] <CellarDoor> yeha
[12:39] <CellarDoor> :D
[12:39] <nmorse> Now, if only they'll keep Python as a possible language for this kind of devel work
[12:39] <nmorse> Makes it easier for ordianary users to do so
[12:39] <CellarDoor> I read something about Python scripting being in all this
[12:39] <nmorse> That's good
[12:39] <CellarDoor> someone wanting Pearl also
[12:39] <nmorse> Though it looked to me to be primarily C++ based, which is pretty good for it
[12:40] <nmorse> The idea of the fuzzy clock on the desktop appeals to me for some undefinable reason
[12:40] <CellarDoor> hehe
[12:40] <CellarDoor> screenshots... I wan't screenshots
[12:41] <CellarDoor> :P
[12:42] <error403> nmorse, any chance of sending it via DCC for me?
[12:42] <error403> or emailing to alan.briolat@gmail.com
[12:42] <error403> please?
[12:42] <nmorse> Can't send via DCC, thanks to my firewall
[12:42] <error403> lol
[12:42] <nmorse> I'll see about emailing it
[12:42] <error403> email?
[12:42] <Tm_T> haha
[12:42] <error403> thanks
[12:42] <error403> hey Tm_T 
[12:43] <error403> i may be about to drop Windoze forever!
[12:43] <error403> w00t
[12:43] <Tm_T> now I'm messing up one kid's ubuntu =)
[12:43] <Tm_T> hullo error403 
[12:44] <error403> am i right in sayign that the only thing that requires a FULL reboot is a kernel upgrade?
[12:44] <nmorse> Sometimes that doesn't
[12:44] <error403> cool
[12:44] <error403> lol
[12:44] <_freak> hi all.
[12:44] <nmorse> Hello
[12:46] <error403> nmorse, you sent it?
[12:46] <_freak> I came here for help, but I just may have found the solution on the net, so, looks like I'm here for the chat. :)
[12:46] <joel> hi.  I installed kubuntu-desktop but I can't load kde instead of gnome.  the faq doesn't help any.
[12:46] <error403> AHA
[12:46] <error403> THANKYOU nmorse 
[12:46] <error403> i love you!
[12:46] <error403> i want to have your babies!
[12:46] <error403> well, anyway
[12:46] <error403> thanks
[12:47] <nmorse> joel, try changing the session settings in GDM
[12:47] <nmorse> error403: you're welcome
[12:47] <joel> how do i do that, nmorse?
[12:47] <Tm_T> error403: haha
[12:48] <Tm_T> joel: there is dropdown menu "session type"
[12:48] <nmorse> When it comes up to the Ubuntu screen you log in from, there will be a little clicky labeled Session Type
[12:48] <_freak> newbie here, but joel, can't you pick that in grub if you hit esc in the first few seconds?
[12:48] <nmorse> Set it to KDE
[12:48] <nmorse> No, _freak
[12:48] <Tm_T> haha
[12:48] <_freak> or you can do it the easy way.
[12:48] <_freak> I'll shut up now.  sorry.
[12:48] <_freak> :)
[12:48] <nmorse> Grub's a lovely bootloader but worthless when it comes to Display Managers
[12:49] <nmorse> GRUB's a worthless bootloader if you ask me, too
[12:49] <error403> hmmm, a strange message...
[12:49] <error403> ever notice how sometimes apt-get pauses on "0% Working"  ?
[12:49] <joel> can i change the default display manager from the login screen, or do i have to change it every time?
[12:50] <nmorse> No, it changes it permanently for you
[12:50] <nmorse> If you let it
[12:50] <error403> switchdesk kde isnt it?
[12:50] <nmorse> Then you can change it back
[12:50] <nmorse> I do it regulary when I feel I need a break from KDE
[12:50] <nmorse> Sometimes I go to e16, other times to XFCE4
[12:51] <nmorse> Went to ion once, possibly the worst WM ever for OpenGL stuff
[12:51] <joel> thanks for your help.  i'll be back if i can't get it to work.
[12:51] <nmorse> I'm talking 15 FPS in glxgears
[12:51] <nmorse> Good luck, joel
[12:51] <error403> nmorse, you tried Cedega before?
[12:52] <nmorse> No, won't play Rome: Total War so I'm not interested
[12:52] <error403> lol
[12:52] <nmorse> dx9wine won't either
[12:52] <error403> :O
[12:52] <error403> will anything?
[12:53] <nmorse> Nope, it's why Win2k is still being dual-booted to on my desktop
[12:53] <nmorse> XP is the cruddiest Windows yet though
[12:53] <error403> nmorse, would there be ANY way to migrate an ENTIRE Kubuntu installation between drives?
[12:53] <nmorse> Looks like a kid with a crayon
[12:53] <nmorse> dd
[12:53] <error403> coz i dont wanna customise again...
[12:53] <nmorse> dd
[12:53] <error403> dd?
[12:53] <nmorse> dd if=/dev/xxx of=/dev/xxy
[12:53] <nmorse> man dd
[12:53] <error403> ok
[12:53] <error403> will do
[12:55] <error403> hmm
[12:55] <error403> i dont understand
[12:55] <error403> sorry...
[12:55] <nmorse> Just copy the disk completely
[12:55] <error403> ok
[12:55] <nmorse> Otherwise, tar up the whole Kubuntu install
[12:55] <nmorse> Then boot into a rescue disk
[12:55] <nmorse> And untar it on a prepared partition
[12:55] <error403> will it matter that i will be moving from /dev/hda1 to /dev/sda1 ?
[12:55] <nmorse> Probably not
[12:55] <error403> wont that screw stuff up?
[12:55] <error403> hmmm
[12:55] <nmorse> Oh, who knows
[12:56] <error403> lol
[12:56] <nmorse> Sometimes it might, sometimes it works flawlessly
[12:56] <error403> hmmm
[12:56] <nmorse> And it's always a lot of fun
[12:56] <nmorse> C'mon, I need some entertainment
[12:56] <error403> well, if i find Cedega and crossover office a good enough replacement for windoze, im ditching MicroShit
[12:56] <nmorse> Good plan
[12:57] <nmorse> I hate MS Winblows
[12:57] <error403> well, its only games i stay for
[12:57] <nmorse> Same here
[12:57] <nmorse> What games do you play?
[12:57] <error403> Linux on a 1280x1024 res does have such bad screen fonts
[12:57] <error403> compared to smaller res
[12:57] <error403>  and i can customise better
[12:57] <error403> umm,  FPS mostly
[12:57] <error403> lol
[12:57] <error403> nmorse, you using Taskbar v2?
[12:57] <error403> transparent, fully
[12:57] <nmorse> Eh?
[12:58] <error403> :D
[12:58] <error403> and does window previews when you roll over them
[12:58] <nmorse> For KDE?
[12:58] <error403> yes
[12:58] <error403> so easy to installl
[12:58] <error403> the usual ./configure, make, make install routine
[12:59] <nmorse> I'll have to look at it
[12:59] <nmorse> I already have the -dev debs installed thanks to kdevelop3
[12:59] <error403> and then remove the taskbar from the panel, and add taskbar v2
[12:59] <error403> the what?
[12:59] <error403> lol
[01:00] <error403> hmmm
[01:00] <nmorse> the kdelibs-dev package installed, etc.
[01:00] <error403> i see
[01:00] <nmorse> where did you find Taskbar v2?
[01:01] <error403> ummm
[01:01] <error403> a friend told me about it
[01:01] <error403> google it
[01:01] <error403> you will find it on some small personal site
[01:01] <error403> !google taskbar v2
[01:01] <error403> hmm
[01:01] <error403> no bots
[01:01] <error403> :(
[01:02] <nmorse> wow, does that actually invoke a google searching bot in some chat rooms?
[01:02] <error403> yes, some people run a Googlebot
[01:02] <error403> heh
 !google Life
 error403 Your Results Can Be Found At: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Life&meta=
[01:03] <error403> heh
[01:03] <error403> see?
[01:03] <error403> another server i am on...
[01:03] <nmorse> Now, if I can figure out what x <3 meant, I will be able to begin mastering IRC
[01:03] <error403> <3 is a heart...
[01:04] <Tm_T> yup
[01:04] <nmorse> I see
[01:04] <error403> lol
[01:04] <error403> anyway
[01:05] <nmorse> I'm downloading it right now
[01:05] <error403> is there any way to get XChat to display nicks in the <nick> format?
[01:06] <error403> i love FreeNode....
[01:06] <error403> /join #<subject> always works!
[01:07] <nmorse> sometimes it works
[01:07] <nmorse> maybe even most of the time
[01:07] <kalenedrael> it works for anything linux
[01:07] <nmorse> You're right, X-Chat doesn't display them that way
[01:07] <nmorse> No, Krita and KOffice both lack their own #channel
[01:07] <nmorse> Krita being a part of KOffice it's understandable
[01:08] <nmorse> Wait, I may be wrong on the KOffice one
[01:08] <nmorse> I am
[01:09] <nmorse> crap, there really is a #subject for everything
[01:10] <nmorse> I really prefer my lovely obscure Jabber
[01:10] <nmorse> I hope Google comes out with a Jabber IM service, maybe called GIM (pronounced Jim)
[01:11] <nmorse> Then, I can rig it up so anytime a buddy logs out, it says "He's dead, Jim"
[01:11] <_freak> lol
[01:13] <error403> ...
[01:13] <error403> nmorse, you need help
[01:13] <error403> really
[01:13] <error403> you do
[01:13] <error403> :P
[01:13] <nmorse> Oh probably, I've spent 8 1/2 years in Rural Oklahoma
[01:13] <nmorse> And that was a dadgum apostrophe cause he dadgum left
[01:14] <nmorse> I got taskbar v2 installed
[01:14] <nmorse> It's nice
[01:14] <error403> cool
[01:14] <nmorse> I like the little previews
[01:14] <nmorse> Does it use the XDamage extension?
[01:18] <error403> XDamage?
[01:18] <error403> i wouldnt know
[01:18] <error403> i just use the thing!
[01:18] <error403> lol
[01:19] <nmorse> It would be the first KDE use of XDamage I've seen yet
[01:19] <error403> lol
[01:19] <nmorse> Now, if only XComposite worked better
[01:24] <nmorse> There has got to be a way to get Gaim upgraded to 1.3.0
[01:24] <nmorse> It was pushed to that due to security updates
[01:24] <nmorse> Shouldn't security.ubuntu.com have it updated then?
[01:24] <digby> did you look in backports for it?
[01:24] <dreumah> is xchat better than konversation?
[01:24] <dreumah> does it have more plugins?
[01:25] <Firetech> dreumah: the bets is KVIrc...
[01:25] <Firetech> *best
[01:25] <error403> kvirc?
[01:25] <error403> on the apt-get repos?
[01:25] <Firetech> the one in apt is buggy
[01:26] <dreumah> kvirc, and why is that?
[01:26] <Firetech> The apt-get one can't handle international characters
[01:26] <Firetech> dreumah: www.kvirc.net
[01:26] <Firetech> It has an easy scripting language
[01:27] <error403> anybody ever amazed at the lack of realism in vPenis parts of sysinfo scripts?
[01:27] <Firetech> there is a sarge-deb on kvirc.net, but that one has silly dependencies...
[01:27] <nmorse> for some reason I can't seem to get backports repo to work
[01:28] <digby> how do you have it listed in sources.list?
[01:28] <Tm_T> error403: not really
[01:28] <nmorse> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-backports-staging main universe multiverse restricted
[01:28] <Firetech> nmorse: I use "deb http://ftp2.caliu.info/backports hoary-...", and it works fine
[01:29] <Tm_T> error403: it's a joke ;---P
[01:29] <Firetech> nmorse: the /backports is not recommended to use
[01:29] <Tm_T> error403: and you can edit it if you like
[01:29] <digby> the ubuntuforums backport is slow and often unreliable
[01:29] <digby> they recommend using the mirrors
[01:29] <Firetech> It always breaks.
[01:29] <_freak> when I entered, you guys were talking about rebooting without completely rebooting?  How would I go about that?
[01:29] <digby> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[01:29] <Firetech> the new one is /ubp
[01:29] <Firetech> but use the mirrors
[01:29] <error403> Tm_T, i know
[01:29] <digby> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[01:30] <digby> are the two I use
[01:30] <Firetech> I use staging too,on the caliu mirror
[01:30] <nmorse> Bah, who cares if backports breaks things
[01:31] <nmorse> _freak: I don't think it can be done on Ubuntu thanks to the use of GRUB
[01:31] <Firetech> nmorse: it doesn't break things, the repository breaks.
[01:31] <_freak> :) ok.  bbiaf, then. 
[01:32] <nmorse> Firetech: I used your backports mirror and gaim is still 1.1.4 in that
[01:32] <nmorse> and gaim.sf.net provides no debian binaries
[01:32] <Firetech> the mirrors have a 5 hour update schedule
[01:32] <nmorse> and of course, no debian folder and files for dpkg compiling come in the source
[01:32] <digby> you could always get the rpm and use alien
[01:32] <nmorse> Dependency hell is all I have to say, digby
[01:32] <digby> oh, I know
[01:33] <digby> and I like the red for that
[01:33] <digby> very appropriate
[01:33] <nmorse> Gaim is three versions behind in Ubuntu
[01:33] <nmorse> and there have been important fixes in some of those
[01:33] <digby> do you get sound in gaim?
[01:34] <nmorse> You get jabber fixes
[01:34] <nmorse> I'm tempted to uninstall gaim's deb and just compile from source
[01:34] <nmorse> Then I remember why I quit using Gentoo
[01:34] <digby> lol
[01:35] <kalenedrael> haha
[01:35] <kalenedrael> www.funroll-loops.org
[01:35] <nmorse> funrool-loops.org always gets a laugh
[01:35] <digby> nmorse, do you get any sounds from gaim?
[01:36] <nmorse> I disabled them all personally
[01:36] <nmorse> But I got them before
[01:36] <digby> hm
[01:36] <digby> I get nothing and I haven't figured out why
[01:36] <nmorse> Did you set the output to arts?
[01:36] <digby> I tried that at one point
[01:36] <nmorse> Odd
[01:36] <digby> I think it's on auto at the moment
[01:36] <nmorse> You get sound in other arts apps?
[01:37] <digby> help me out - what else uses arts?
[01:37] <Furic> is there any way to get the msdos/win style keyoard behavour of numpad while alt is held, allowing input of ascii codes?
[01:38] <nmorse> almost all KDE apps use arts
[01:38] <nmorse> Is that how you input ASCII codes on Windows?
[01:39] <digby> ok... well, I get KDE system sounds always, and amaroK always plays perfectly
[01:39] <nmorse> My friends used to use that to input spaces in game character screen names
[01:39] <_Church_of_FoamY> wow i gave my brother in law the chance to use my linux box and he liked it ^_^
[01:39] <digby> zsnes and cedega are sporatic w/ no discenable pattern
[01:39] <dreumah> there is no freenode on kvirc
[01:40] <digby> how could anyone not like linux? :-)
[01:40] <_Church_of_FoamY> i don't know
[01:40] <_Church_of_FoamY> i tryed it and i'm hooked
[01:40] <_Church_of_FoamY> ^_^
[01:40] <Furic> well, if you were bill gates or steve jobs
[01:40] <nmorse> Try FreeBSD while you're at it
[01:40] <nmorse> Steve Jobs and his RDF
[01:40] <Furic> i could understand disliking it
[01:40] <nmorse> I hope they don't seriously switch to Intel chips in Macs
[01:41] <Furic> They wont
[01:41] <_Church_of_FoamY> they don't like it becuase it threatins his income
[01:41] <digby> people have been bringing that up every so often for years... 
[01:41] <_Church_of_FoamY> dosen't motorolla make the cpu's in macs?
[01:41] <nmorse> C|Net expects them to make that announcement Monday
[01:41] <digby> they used to
[01:41] <nmorse> No, IBM makes them
[01:41] <Furic> IBM does
[01:41] <digby> IBM makes the G5s
[01:41] <digby> motorolla made G4 and below
[01:41] <_Church_of_FoamY> they should have stuck with motorolla
[01:41] <nmorse> Motorola made G3, G4, and 604e
[01:41] <nmorse> and M68k
[01:42] <nmorse> Motorola's chip division is now known as Freescale
[01:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> i herd a roomer that microsoft tryed to buy linux
[01:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> is it true?
[01:42] <digby> lol
[01:42] <digby> not even possible
[01:42] <Furic> buy, from who?!
[01:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> thats what i thought
[01:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> but hey in this day and age ya never know
[01:43] <Furic> nobody owns linux in the first place, it cant be sold
[01:43] <digby> they could buy the trademark, but the code is owned by the community
[01:43] <_freak> rehi's
[01:43] <Consty> Church: They were thinking about buying Redhat Linux
[01:43] <nmorse> Can't buy the trademard
[01:43] <Furic> so we would end up calling it linex or something
[01:43] <nmorse> trademark licensed under GPL, just like the popular image of Tux
[01:43] <digby> ah
[01:43] <digby> didn't know that
[01:43] <digby> well, even so
[01:44] <digby> Linus still owns the trademark
[01:44] <digby> and could sell it
[01:44] <_Church_of_FoamY> i read in a computer magaze that microsoft has some sorta deal for businneses that use linux
[01:44] <Furic> so they could buy it, but they wouldn't be able to change the licencing
[01:44] <_Church_of_FoamY> to switch to microsoft
[01:44] <Consty> You've got to be kidding me.  Digby?  Mike?
[01:44] <_Church_of_FoamY> damn
[01:44] <digby> trademarks could be bought and sold just like any other piece of intellectual property
[01:44] <digby> I'd bet on it never happening
[01:45] <nmorse> Oh, probably, or licensed
[01:45] <nmorse> But once put under a license, you can't stop it anymore
[01:45] <Furic> if you look most linux related sites have fine print with "Linux is a registerd trademark of Linus..." on em
[01:45] <nmorse> That's the fun part of viral licensing schemes
[01:45] <_Church_of_FoamY> torvald?
[01:45] <Tm_T> Furic: Linus Torvalds
[01:45] <_Church_of_FoamY> i was close
[01:45] <_Church_of_FoamY> lol
[01:45] <Consty> It wouldn't matter, Linus doesn't even have control of Linux anymore.  If he changed the licensing for the Linux kernel someone would fork the previous release and we'd still have a free kernel.
[01:45] <Tm_T> yeah
[01:45] <digby> haha
[01:46] <_Church_of_FoamY> lol
[01:46] <_Church_of_FoamY> i think it's awsome that he made this though
[01:46] <Tm_T> Consty: true
[01:46] <Furic> he didn't make it, he made a tiny bit of it
[01:46] <digby> he started it... not really fair to everyone else that's worked on it to say that he made it
[01:46] <_Church_of_FoamY> and the stability is out of this world
[01:46] <Consty> digby, you're name maike?
[01:46] <Tm_T> Consty: but the trademark is the keypoint in this converstion
[01:46] <Consty> your*
[01:46] <digby> consty, no
[01:46] <_Church_of_FoamY> ok i misstated that lol
[01:47] <_Church_of_FoamY> even if he did do just the basics it's still awsome
[01:47] <Tm_T> yes, Linus owns the trademark, and he can sell it
[01:47] <Tm_T> but I don't think he ever whould, if he don't know it'll remain free
[01:47] <_Church_of_FoamY> i just can't beleve that 1000's of people all over the world made it and it runs so good
[01:47] <Consty> Dang, I know a Mike Digby that lives in Florida and I saw you had road runner as your isp.  They're the most popular broadband isp there, so I thought.
[01:47] <Consty> Guess not. :P
[01:47] <digby> nope
[01:48] <digby> just a name a friend and I made up to get a Kroger card... :)
[01:49] <Consty> So whats this I hear about Kubuntu having some issues with Firefox?  Anyone heard of it?
[01:49] <_Church_of_FoamY> nope
[01:49] <Furic> "I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones." - Linus
[01:49] <_Church_of_FoamY> i haven't had one problem with this os or any of it's programs
[01:50] <digby> oh, I've had problems, but I enjoy the tinkering
[01:50] <Consty> Read that it hangs during java/flash installation and during initial loading.
[01:50] <error403> nmorse, you still there?
[01:50] <Consty> Taking forever to download the dvd iso of kubuntu... bleh
[01:50] <_freak> holysmokes...  kopete just got my old buddylist?  When I had to reinstall AIM itself, *it* didn't get my old buddy list.  Very impressed.
[01:51] <digby> there is a dvd iso of kubuntu???
[01:51] <Consty> How is kopete anyway?  Is it as nice as gaim?
[01:51] <_Church_of_FoamY> yea you'll be impressed by a lot
[01:51] <_freak> just opened it for the first time just now.
[01:51] <_freak> and I've never used gaim.
[01:51] <digby> I like the gaim interface better... but only a little
[01:51] <_Church_of_FoamY> i am very impressed because "it just works" ^_^
[01:51] <_Church_of_FoamY> i use kopete
[01:52] <_freak> just a week into this, and I've spent that getting wireless going, video better, and trying to get sound. :)
[01:52] <nmorse> Yeah, i'm here
[01:52] <Consty> digby: Yeah I'm downloading the dvd iso that has the live cd and install cd in one.
[01:52] <_Church_of_FoamY> yea the first few weeks i figure are going towards tweaking your box to your lkes
[01:52] <_freak> lol, yeah foamy.  
[01:52] <Consty> digby: So you can use the cd to boot live cd or install it if you want.  Pretty nice.
[01:52] <nmorse> I don't like Kopete's interface
[01:52] <digby> cool
[01:52] <_Church_of_FoamY> i'm still tweaking mine lol
[01:53] <_Church_of_FoamY> niether do i in some respects but to me it's easyer than gaim
[01:53] <Consty> have to download using bt though
[01:53] <nmorse> I shouldn't have to right-click on little lightbulb icon to access normal jabber features like joining chat rooms
[01:53] <Consty> Anyone know of the nvidia driver set is included with kubuntu?
[01:53] <_freak> Here's a stupid newbie question.  Uh, what's a .patch file?
[01:53] <nmorse> It allows you to apply a patch
[01:53] <_Church_of_FoamY> sudo apt-get install invidia-glx
[01:53] <nmorse> Using the patch command no less
[01:53] <error403> nmorse, 
[01:54] <nmorse> Sometimes I think the NIX guys made stuff repetitive
[01:54] <nmorse> and redundant
[01:54] <nmorse> for a higher purpose
[01:54] <_Church_of_FoamY> and sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[01:54] <nmorse> yeah, error403?
[01:54] <error403> you want my config file to make XChat put the <nick> format in?
[01:55] <Consty> Never used apt before, I've mostly used distros like Slackware that dont really include very good package management systems
[01:55] <Tm_T> apt <3
[01:55] <error403> lol
[01:55] <_Church_of_FoamY> well then your prepaird for a treat
[01:55] <_freak> yeah, apt rocks...
[01:55] <error403> apt > all
[01:55] <_Church_of_FoamY> i know it's awsome
[01:55] <Consty> I used ports though in crux and freebsd
[01:55] <Consty> I heard its a lot like that.
[01:56] <_Church_of_FoamY> some one recommended a linux distro to me earlyer what was it?
[01:56] <_Church_of_FoamY> freeBSD?
[01:56] <nmorse> FreeBSD is not a Linux distro
[01:56] <digby> BSD is not linux
[01:57] <digby> haha
[01:57] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh ok
[01:57] <Consty> And I'll be honest with you, this is pretty much the "first" linux community that hasn't been a bunch of arrogant people that seem to think they know it all and have almost no intentions of helping someone else who knows less.
[01:57] <Consty> So really impressed by that.
[01:57] <nmorse> No, error403, I mostly use Konversation these days
[01:57] <_Church_of_FoamY> than what was the os that was recommended
[01:57] <error403> lol
[01:57] <error403> ok
[01:57] <_Church_of_FoamY> i use it to i like the way it "feels"
[01:58] <Consty> SkyOS looks really cool.  www.skyos.org
[01:58] <Consty> Might want to try that.
[01:58] <nmorse> debian-floppies is the worst installer ever
[01:58] <Tm_T> no
[01:58] <Tm_T> Debian installer <3
[01:59] <_Church_of_FoamY> wow is it neat lookin
[01:59] <nmorse> SkyOS does look neat, but the lack of hardware support deters me
[01:59] <Consty> Yeah, its still early.
[01:59] <nmorse> Tm_T, not debian-installer, which I like, but the woody installer
[01:59] <Consty> It's not based off any previous kernels though from what I understand.  Totally new.. which means a totally new set of vulnerabilities
[02:00] <Consty> When you do the install for kubuntu is there any option to disable the graphical login during install?
[02:00] <_Church_of_FoamY> someone told me about reactos today
[02:00] <Tm_T> nmorse: it was just great
[02:00] <Consty> I can do it manually, just curious if you can do it or not.
[02:00] <nmorse> based off wine, right, Church?
[02:00] <_Church_of_FoamY> it dosen't do much
[02:00] <_Church_of_FoamY> not that i know of
[02:00] <Tm_T> nmorse: way too much choices though ;p
[02:00] <nmorse> No, it definitely wasn't Tm_T
[02:00] <nmorse> I remember the first time I used dselect
[02:01] <_Church_of_FoamY> it dosen't even have usb support yet
[02:01] <nmorse> I was scared witless
[02:01] <Tm_T> haha
[02:01] <_Church_of_FoamY> but is supposidly compatable with windows
[02:01] <Tm_T> nmorse: I was excited
[02:01] <_Church_of_FoamY> i tryed a live cd of it it really kinda sucked
[02:01] <Tm_T> yeah
[02:01] <nmorse> I'd never really used anything but Macs up until then
[02:01] <_Church_of_FoamY> even though it looks nice
[02:01] <_Church_of_FoamY> kinda like win nt/2000
[02:01] <Tm_T> IF you wan't a good live-cd, take knoppix
[02:02] <Tm_T> I use it as rescue cd =)
[02:02] <Consty> knoppix doesn't even have nvidia driver support built into its hal!  I mean come on
[02:02] <_Church_of_FoamY> i just found out about that one today haven't had a chance to look @ it yet
[02:02] <nmorse> moving from all-GUI Macs to command line linux was a bit nuts
[02:02] <Consty> that kinda ticked me :P
[02:02] <kalenedrael> i saw that as "i was scared wireless"
[02:02] <nmorse> :)
[02:02] <_Church_of_FoamY> someone told me they use it for a file recovery cd for windows at the local university
[02:02] <kalenedrael> haha
[02:02] <nmorse> I've probably tried over 20 distros
[02:03] <Tm_T> haha
[02:03] <_Church_of_FoamY> i think i'll stick with this one for now
[02:03] <_Church_of_FoamY> it's freindly and the support rocks ^_^
[02:03] <Consty> The friendly part is the best part.
[02:03] <kalenedrael> i've tried two distros
[02:03] <kalenedrael> er, three
[02:03] <kalenedrael> red hat 8, fedora core 3, and kubuntu
[02:03] <nmorse> Red Hat, SuSE, Mandrake, Debian, Lindows, Ubuntu, Libranet, Vector, Slackware, CRUX, Arch, Knoppix, Morphix, three live's I can't even name right now, and some more I just can't think of
[02:03] <kalenedrael> kubuntu owns everything else
[02:04] <kalenedrael> ew, lindows
[02:04] <Consty> nmorse: and you decided kubuntu was the best?
[02:04] <nmorse> For hardware support and general "It Just Works" factor, yes
[02:04] <nmorse> Oh, left Gentoo off that list
[02:04] <Consty> Gentoo.. garbage unless you actually have a fast connection.
[02:04] <nmorse> Fast connection, indeed
[02:05] <_duende> I have a quick basic linux question, how do i make it so that no matter who makes a file in a directory, it retains ownership of the directory's owner?
[02:05] <nmorse> But compile times make it suck worse than 56k ever could
[02:05] <kalenedrael> i will be installing kubuntu on the other boxes i have when i get the time and when i really can't stand fc3 anymore
[02:05] <nmorse> Use a cron job, _duende
[02:05] <_duende> ok, cool
[02:05] <Consty> nmorse: Yeah true, and its install cds are always way behind like debian in version.
[02:05] <_duende> tnx
[02:05] <nmorse> That way every {day|hour|week|month} it readjusts the permissions
[02:06] <Consty> nmorse: But unlike debian, gentoo isn't always stable with those older versions
[02:06] <nmorse> I just fetched everything off the internet
[02:06] <nmorse> CD's are always outdated by the time they're made in the F/OSS world
[02:06] <kalenedrael> that's why you have apt-get upgrade...
[02:06] <nmorse> or an inotify daemon might work, _duende
[02:07] <Consty> It's true, but it seems like every time I go to get a CD it never supports all the hardware I have in my computer at that time.. dammmn :P
[02:07] <nmorse> apt-get dist-upgrade for the brave with bandwidth
[02:07] <_duende> nmorse: hrm, i'm not familier with that, i'll read up on it.  tnx.
[02:07] <kalenedrael> heh
[02:07] <Consty> I hate having to spend time getting stuff to work right ya know.. I like being able to install and use.  Thats why I think kubuntu attracted me.
[02:07] <nmorse> Don't waste too much time on it, _duende
[02:07] <_duende> lol
[02:07] <nmorse> I'm just mulling the idea over, but it's not that feasible right now
[02:07] <_duende> well, i usually like to know about commands and stuff that i haven't heard of before
[02:07] <nmorse> Laptop hardware support was the clincher for me
[02:07] <_duende> cron.daily should do the trick for me
[02:08] <Consty> nmorse: are the nforce and nvidia drivers built into kubuntu?
[02:08] <nmorse> I always use the reverse-engineered nforce drivers in the kernel
[02:08] <_freak> did dist-upgrade yesterday.  By mistake, but what the hell.
[02:08] <nmorse> Others here know more about nvidia then I do, as I use an ATI card in the desktop
[02:08] <_freak> lol
[02:09] <Consty> Ah, anyone here got a nvidia card that worked without a hitch?
[02:09] <nmorse> _duende, check into FAM too
[02:09] <kalenedrael> Consty, yes
[02:09] <kalenedrael> on both my desktop machines with a geforce2 mx400
[02:09] <digby> consty, I had to use apt to install the drivers, but it was all of 2 commands to make it work perfectly
[02:09] <Consty> cool, anyone know what version of alsa is included with the 2.6.10 kernel?  (thats the one that comes with the iso right)?
[02:10] <nmorse> For the really brave, run a real Debian Sid box, and set up a cron.daily 'apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade'
[02:10] <nmorse> 1.0.8, Consty
[02:10] <nmorse> Did that on a server once
[02:10] <kalenedrael> consty, i'd suggest the packages straight from nvidia
[02:10] <Consty> hmm, think I need to update it then maybe.
[02:10] <nmorse> Not smart
[02:10] <nmorse> What's the problem, Consty?
[02:11] <Consty> I have a weird soundcard
[02:11] <_Church_of_FoamY> i fear having to update my box
[02:11] <_Church_of_FoamY> the last time it made my cpu thrash
[02:11] <_Church_of_FoamY> and i had to redoo it
[02:12] <Consty> I should say a weird chipset I think.
[02:12] <_Church_of_FoamY> so now i'm weary of updateing >.<
[02:12] <Consty> I have a Creative Audigy 2 Value
[02:12] <_freak> foamy, I've got an es1879.  Been a pain in the butt.
[02:12] <Consty> Not compatible with the ZS value which alsa does support
[02:12] <nmorse> Should work with the emu10k1 driver
[02:13] <_Church_of_FoamY> theres a new firefox out?
[02:13] <_Church_of_FoamY> i will update that as i am a fan of mozilla
[02:13] <_freak> Cons, did you see this link?  <A HREF="http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21211">Ubuntu Forums - Hoary Sound Broke?</A>
[02:13] <musikele> hy everybody
[02:14] <nmorse> a fan of mozilla, the aptly named huge dinosaur?
[02:14] <_Church_of_FoamY> it's so much better than IE
[02:14] <_Church_of_FoamY> huh?
[02:14] <musikele> I'd like to tell 2 stupid things 
[02:14] <nmorse> Firefox is, yeah, but Mozilla (Seamonkey) is slow
[02:14] <_Church_of_FoamY> i can't tell if your being serious or sarcastic
[02:14] <_freak> guy does a walk thru of installing audigy module.
[02:14] <nmorse> Serious, I hate the full Mozilla Suite
[02:14] <_Church_of_FoamY> why?
[02:14] <nmorse> Reminds me of Netscape 6
[02:15] <nmorse> Even Netscape 7 was faster than many Mozilla builds
[02:15] <_Church_of_FoamY> yea but this one works
[02:15] <nmorse> Then again, that was back on a 333 mHz iMac G3 with 96MB RAM
[02:15] <_Church_of_FoamY> someone recommended opera to me but i've had problems with it in the past
[02:15] <_Church_of_FoamY> like it crashed my wionbox
[02:15] <nmorse> I may be biased thanks to that experience
[02:15] <nmorse> Use Firefox, use Konqueror
[02:15] <musikele> 1) i've tried ubuntu first and then kubuntu, but in this last distribution there is no LAN applet on the bar...! the Gnome one is very intuitive
[02:15] <_Church_of_FoamY> don't blame you man
[02:16] <_Church_of_FoamY> does opera work better on linux than ms?
[02:16] <nmorse> Not particularly, I only use it for web development
[02:16] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh ok
[02:16] <nmorse> Since its JavaScript implementation is horrible
[02:16] <_Church_of_FoamY> so it still sucks
[02:17] <nmorse> But it lets me check on stuff like what a site looks like on Opera Embedded
[02:17] <_Church_of_FoamY> so it hasen't changed to much in a year lol
[02:17] <musikele> 2) please support smart batteries for laptops, otherwise i can't use my acer!!!
[02:17] <nmorse> Using the web developer toolbar
[02:17] <nmorse> Smart batteries?
[02:17] <_Church_of_FoamY> ??
[02:17] <musikele> the drivers are on the net but I'm not able to make it work... I'm still a student. 
[02:17] <Consty> nmorse: I think it does with th emu10k1 driver, but its only with a very recent version that it works
[02:17] <kalenedrael> there is no LAN applet?
[02:17] <nmorse> Hmm
[02:17] <Consty> nmorse: The version that came with Knoppix 3.8 I know works
[02:18] <musikele> yes, smart batteries, all acer laptops have it.. also some toshiba I think
[02:18] <_Church_of_FoamY> how is kubuntu with wireless guys?
[02:18] <_Church_of_FoamY> i want to switch my network to wireless
[02:18] <nmorse> What the heck is a smart battery though?
[02:18] <_Church_of_FoamY> i want to know that to
[02:18] <nmorse> And how does it differ from a normal battery?
[02:18] <musikele> _Church_of_FoamY I'd like to give a try tomorrow, I'll take the laptop tu university
[02:18] <Consty> nmorse: Yeah, its 1.0.8, so it'll work.  Cool 
[02:18] <_Church_of_FoamY> sweet let me know man
[02:18] <nmorse> Consty, go to #alsa for additional help
[02:19] <nmorse> They know way more about it than I do
[02:19] <_Church_of_FoamY> i'm gussing that a smart battery is some type of battery with a brain?
[02:19] <musikele> nmorse first of all I think it differs in the interface to the kernel or stuff like that... there is a lot about it on the web, still developing
[02:19] <_Church_of_FoamY> maybe it does you homework for you?
[02:19] <nmorse> Why would you want an interface to your battery?
[02:20] <_Church_of_FoamY> i'm just gussing here guys help me out
[02:20] <nmorse> Traditional battery meters have worked for centuries
[02:20] <musikele> just a moment, I'll find the web page on the web
[02:20] <_Church_of_FoamY> well make this as game of phillarbust
[02:20] <nmorse> Sounds like another proprietary gimmick to me
[02:20] <_Church_of_FoamY> yea
[02:20] <nmorse> Snorkel!
[02:20] <musikele> Using the smartbattery
[02:20] <musikele> The Travelmate 4001 (and the Extensa 3002 and some other, too) has a so-called "smartbattery". That means, it cannot be accessed in the way kernel-acpi uses but, because it's connected to the SMB-Bus (SMB has nothing to do with Samba or Windows, it's for System Management Bus) it has to be accessed using I2C.
[02:20] <musikele> I took a look around and found some discussions about the smartbatteries on the acpi-devel mailinglist on sourceforge. Somebody (I don't remember his name atm) has written a program to read out smartbattery status, using the i2c interface. It works well on kernel 2.6.10, I haven't tested it on 2.6.9. You can download the programm at http://www.poupinou.org/acpi/smartbatt/. But now there's a nicer way to read out the battery's status
[02:20] <nmorse> Sorry, had to take a guess
[02:20] <_Church_of_FoamY> i like the batterys that work like well......batterys
[02:21] <nmorse> Amen
[02:21] <_Church_of_FoamY> samme
[02:21] <musikele> from http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~dbildh/Linux_On_TM4001/
[02:21] <nmorse> Why use an i2c character device to read a battery?
[02:21] <_Church_of_FoamY> theres a whole bunch of updates wow
[02:22] <_Church_of_FoamY> either i haven't updated in a while or they like just came out 
[02:22] <heath> hey i was going to see if any of you could help me get sound on my system. i've got a crystal sound card, and the machine uses ISA. in simply mepis, the sound works, and i've copied the output of dmesg and lspci.
[02:22] <nmorse> I got them today, so they just came out
[02:22] <_Church_of_FoamY> i'm gonna flip a coin and decide weather or not to update
[02:22] <nmorse> cron.daily baby
[02:22] <_Church_of_FoamY> whats cron?
[02:23] <_Church_of_FoamY> <---still learning
[02:23] <nmorse> The way to do jobs on a schedule
[02:23] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh neat
[02:23] <nmorse> So, you give it a time and a command and it does it for you
[02:23] <_Church_of_FoamY> nice
[02:23] <Tm_T> whoa, im such a guru \o/
[02:23] <nmorse> I'm sure there's some way to do it graphically, but nano works for me (and sometimes vi, never emacs)
[02:23] <_Church_of_FoamY> does it have a blow up microsoft command?
[02:23] <Tm_T> I use powerful pc, Linux and cedega to play dosgame =)
[02:24] <nmorse> No, I tried that
[02:24] <_Church_of_FoamY> >.< damnit
[02:24] <musikele> see you and please consider my suggestions! 
[02:24] <Consty> Didn't you know church?  Microsoft has this function they use on all windows distrobution called corrupt_over_time();
[02:24] <nmorse> Why not use DOSemu, Tm_T
[02:24] <nmorse> ?
[02:24] <Tm_T> nmorse: too heavy
[02:24] <musikele> are there any other forums on the web?
[02:24] <Consty> Its a random # and once that number hits, you're done.
[02:24] <_Church_of_FoamY> roflmao
[02:24] <nmorse> how about dosbox?
[02:24] <Tm_T> too much configuration :/
[02:24] <Tm_T> because this game is soooo nasty
[02:25] <nmorse> So, you're using Cedega for a DOS game?
[02:25] <Tm_T> even win2k doesn't run it
[02:25] <Tm_T> yes, I try
[02:25] <nmorse> What game could be so important?
[02:25] <_Church_of_FoamY> you know the world trade ceneters where quite a loss.....
[02:25] <Tm_T> SPww2 =)
[02:25] <_Church_of_FoamY> nobody would have missed microsoft.
[02:25] <Tm_T> http://www.shrapnelgames.com/SPCamo/spww2.htm
[02:25] <Tm_T> I think that as one of the best games
[02:25] <_Church_of_FoamY> anyone had any luck with rpg's?
[02:25] <Tm_T> and it's free \o/
[02:26] <_Church_of_FoamY> will it run in cedega?
[02:26] <nmorse> Tm_T: pick up the old DOS 5.0 Eye of the Beholder games
[02:26] <Consty> nmorse: ah, the gold box games?  Love those.
[02:27] <nmorse> Yeah, I actually bought 14 D&D games for $10 for DOS at Wal-Mart two years ago
[02:27] <_Church_of_FoamY> i have old dos games on 51/2
[02:27] <_Church_of_FoamY> i still play
[02:27] <nmorse> DOS games were fun
[02:27] <_Church_of_FoamY> like the old doom,spyhunter,qbert
[02:28] <nmorse> Now where did Commander KEEN go?
[02:28] <digby> two words: scorched earth
[02:28] <_Church_of_FoamY> i even have an old dos game called heretic
[02:28] <Tm_T> nmorse: hmm, dos 5.0 isn't that old really :/
[02:28] <nmorse> Carmack's greatest game was clearly KEEN3
[02:28] <digby> and commander Keen was awesome
[02:28] <_Church_of_FoamY> they rock man in some respects better than todays games
[02:28] <nmorse> I've played all 4 (there were only 4 right?)
[02:28] <_Church_of_FoamY> i liked being able to type "iddqd" and beat doom
[02:29] <_Church_of_FoamY> or idkfa or rambo
[02:29] <digby> I think 4 is correct
[02:29] <Consty> I think my favorite games of the past were the old BBS Door Games.. you know those things you used to dial into for yoru local area before the internet hit
[02:29] <nmorse> I want to find Keen now
[02:29] <Consty> LORD, Planets, Tradewars 2002, love those games
[02:29] <_Church_of_FoamY> i remeber those they rocked
[02:29] <nmorse> No, I have no idea about BBS's, I was like 5
[02:29] <_Church_of_FoamY> they forced you to imagine made the game much more interesting
[02:29] <digby> we had a local Barren Realms Elite league on all the BBSes in my town
[02:30] <_Church_of_FoamY> there still are bbs games
[02:30] <nmorse> I remember a lot of the early internet, though, my dad worked at USC (South Carolina) at the time so we got it early
[02:30] <_Church_of_FoamY> you just have to find them
[02:30] <_Church_of_FoamY> and they still work
[02:30] <_Church_of_FoamY> ^_^
[02:30] <nmorse> But no 9600 baud modem anymore
[02:30] <_Church_of_FoamY> well i gots ta go so i'll see you all later
[02:30] <_Church_of_FoamY> yea i know
[02:31] <nmorse> see you, Church
[02:31] <digby> cya foamy
[02:31] <nmorse> have fun in DOSland
[02:31] <_Church_of_FoamY> i remeber when that was considerd fast
[02:31] <_Church_of_FoamY> lol see ya guys have a nice night/day/morning respectivly
[02:31] <_Church_of_FoamY> peace out
[02:32] <digby> sound question - XChat wants to know what to use to play sound - for arts, I tell it /usr/bin/artsd?
[02:32] <nmorse> No idea
[02:32] <nmorse> Try using the same player KDE System Notification uses (this is configurable)
[02:32] <digby> k
[02:32] <digby> will check
[02:33] <nmorse> I like Taskbar v2
[02:33] <nmorse> Too bad KPager2 doesn't work
[02:34] <_Church_of_FoamY> shit i'm back 
[02:34] <nmorse> that was fast
[02:34] <_Church_of_FoamY> theres a tornado warning in my town
[02:34] <_Church_of_FoamY> lol
[02:34] <nmorse> Where do you live?
[02:34] <_Church_of_FoamY> yea
[02:34] <_Church_of_FoamY> way out in marquette,mi usa
[02:34] <_Church_of_FoamY> that far north
[02:34] <_Church_of_FoamY> weard
[02:35] <digby> you guys get tornadoes up there?  lol
[02:35] <nmorse> Now, to hope that storm doesn't hit Tennessee where my church friends left for today
[02:35] <nmorse> Wait, MI == Mississippi, right?
[02:35] <digby> oh
[02:35] <digby> lol
[02:35] <_Church_of_FoamY> ouch
[02:35] <digby> I read that wrong
[02:35] <nmorse> MI == Maine?
[02:35] <_Church_of_FoamY> i understand how ya mean i'm a revernd
[02:35] <nmorse> MI == Missouri?
[02:36] <digby> MA = Maine
[02:36] <nmorse> C'mon, give me hint
[02:36] <digby> MO = Missouri
[02:36] <digby> MI is Mississippi
[02:36] <digby> but I read Minnesota
[02:36] <_Church_of_FoamY> michigan
[02:36] <nmorse> OH
[02:36] <digby> is it?
[02:36] <digby> lol
[02:36] <_Church_of_FoamY> yup
[02:36] <nmorse> Too many states that start with M, it's almost as bad as A
[02:36] <digby> it's been too long since I had any geography
[02:36] <_Church_of_FoamY> lol
[02:37] <nmorse> Michigan, so close to Canada, eh?
[02:37] <_Church_of_FoamY> eh?
[02:37] <_Church_of_FoamY> ya eh
[02:37] <nmorse> eh, hooser?
[02:37] <_Church_of_FoamY> lol
[02:37] <nmorse> what's that all aboot?
[02:37] <Tm_T> whoaaah
[02:37] <Tm_T> that cedega is scary
[02:38] <_Church_of_FoamY> it's a saying it's a canadian/american hybrid
[02:38] <nmorse> Tried to use CVS?
[02:38] <Tm_T> windows graphics in my desktop...
[02:38] <_Church_of_FoamY> windows scary
[02:38] <kalenedrael> how do i get cedega?
[02:38] <nmorse> Oh, Win graphics, yeah
[02:38] <nmorse> I really hope they wisen up and use a modern toolkit sometime
[02:38] <_Church_of_FoamY> really stupid question
[02:39] <nmorse> go to linux-gamers.net
[02:39] <_Church_of_FoamY> has anyone gotten weatherbug to run in wine/cedega?
[02:39] <nmorse> They have all the info
[02:39] <nmorse> I hope not
[02:39] <nmorse> Weatherbug is the devil
[02:39] <_Church_of_FoamY> what it's so accurate
[02:39] <kalenedrael> ok, never mind...
[02:39] <_Church_of_FoamY> i love it lol
[02:39] <kalenedrael> i intended to ask "can i get cedega with apt"
[02:39] <_Church_of_FoamY> better than the programs for gonme
[02:39] <_Church_of_FoamY> gnome
[02:40] <_Church_of_FoamY> they don't even have my town in them
[02:40] <nmorse> no, kalenedrael
[02:40] <_Church_of_FoamY> so i can get the weather but it's like from 50mi south
[02:40] <kalenedrael> ok
[02:40] <nmorse> Foamy, just use a dadgum airport weather finder
[02:40] <kalenedrael> (you have to pay for it, right?)
[02:40] <nmorse> If you don't use CVS
[02:41] <_Church_of_FoamY> whats that?
[02:41] <_Church_of_FoamY> is it an apt-get ^_^
[02:41] <nmorse> It checks what the airport closest to you says the weather is
[02:41] <nmorse> I have no idea what ones there are right now, but I bet there's one in Kontact
[02:42] <bobbyd> kalenedrael: it's best to pay for it if you use it
[02:43] <_Church_of_FoamY> ohh how to get?
[02:44] <nmorse> sudo apt-get install kontact
[02:44] <nmorse> It's like a wrapper for KMail, KOrganizer, Kthis and Kthat
[02:44] <Mez> kontact should be installed by default
[02:45] <_Church_of_FoamY> is that apt-get for me?
[02:45] <_Church_of_FoamY> so how do i get dadgum
[02:45] <digby> wait... someone is looking for weather info and no one recommended liquid weather?
[02:45] <nmorse> Kontact wasn't installed by default for me, though I did do the 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' from Ubuntu
[02:45] <nmorse> Liquid weather?
[02:46] <_Church_of_FoamY> i tryed liquid weather but i can't get it to run
[02:46] <nmorse> For Superkaramba?
[02:46] <digby> yeah
[02:46] <_Church_of_FoamY> i have it i should say
[02:46] <digby> I love it
[02:46] <_Church_of_FoamY> yea
[02:46] <Mez> foamy
[02:46] <_Church_of_FoamY> how did you get it to work?
[02:46] <Mez> foamy foamy
[02:46] <Mez> :D
[02:46] <_Church_of_FoamY> hey
[02:46] <digby> well, I apt-get'ed superkaramba, downloaded LW from kde-look
[02:46] <digby> and opened the theam
[02:46] <digby> it was quite easy
[02:47] <_Church_of_FoamY> do you put the whole folder in .superkarumba?
[02:47] <nmorse> I remember when Karamba was added to the Debian package lists
[02:47] <_Church_of_FoamY> or whats inside the folder?
[02:47] <digby> I put all my themes in /opt/themes
[02:47] <nmorse> I put them in .superkaramba or a seperate folder like SuperKaramba
[02:47] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh maybe thats what i did wrong
[02:47] <nmorse> with a custom icon
[02:48] <nmorse> Used the hat for that little mouse who always says, Aieeh! Caramba!
[02:48] <Tm_T> aaargh
[02:48] <nmorse> Then stuck it on a grey folder
[02:48] <digby> lol
[02:48] <digby> nice
[02:48] <nmorse> Do you hate Cedega, Tm_T?
[02:48] <Tm_T> nmorse: it doesn't run that spww2 :/
[02:49] <_Church_of_FoamY> damn i put mine in the .superkarumba and i can't get the theme to come up :(
[02:49] <nmorse> Nothing seems to
[02:49] <Tm_T> so I have to install windows XP into my another workstation :/
[02:49] <nmorse> Try using FreeDOS, Tm_T
[02:49] <Tm_T> nmorse: well, I have to install XP anyway
[02:49] <nmorse> No, you don't
[02:49] <nmorse> XP is the Devil
[02:49] <Tm_T> if I try to be helpdesk I suppose to know what I'm helping =)
[02:50] <nmorse> The Power of Christ Compels You!
[02:50] <Tm_T> haha
[02:50] <nmorse> Must exorcise demons from Windows box
[02:50] <nmorse> But not daemons, who are friendly
[02:50] <_Church_of_FoamY> i use a speacal version ov vmware
[02:51] <Tm_T> =)
[02:51] <Mez> vmware
[02:51] <Mez> mmm
[02:51] <nmorse> error403: did you ever get KPager2 to work? (are you even here?)
[02:52] <nmorse> Emulation isn't all it's cracked up to be
[02:52] <error403> nmorse, yes i am here
[02:52] <nmorse> Except for NesterDC
[02:52] <error403> and i havent heard of Kpager 2
[02:52] <nmorse> It's by the same guy who did Taskbar v2
[02:52] <nmorse> It give previews of the desktop
[02:52] <nmorse> Looks nice, but I can't get it to work
[02:53] <nmorse> NesterDC was great for playing every NES game ever on the Dreamcast
[02:53] <error403> lol
[02:53] <error403> ok
[02:53] <error403> i might try it....
[02:55] <error403> hmm, whatever happened the the Dreamcast?
[02:55] <error403> was like a 2-month fad
[02:55] <nmorse> Bad marketing
[02:55] <error403> then disappeared
[02:55] <error403> lol
[02:56] <nmorse> Release too close to the other consoles, like within a year, but with less power
[02:56] <nmorse> The year being to the PS2
[02:56] <nmorse> It still lives on though
[02:56] <_Church_of_FoamY> wow lost inet :(
[02:56] <_Church_of_FoamY> stupid t3
[02:56] <nmorse> And Dreamcast development still occurs
[02:56] <nmorse> You're T3 cut out on you?
[02:57] <_Church_of_FoamY> i tryed the liquid weather and it just shows a black box :(
[02:57] <digby> it does that for me while it loads...
[02:57] <nmorse> s/You're/Your/
[02:57] <digby> but it goes away quickly
[02:57] <digby> what version of liquid weather do you have?
[02:58] <_Church_of_FoamY> i don't know i just downloaded it today
[02:58] <_Church_of_FoamY> both of them actually
[02:58] <digby> I think the newest requires superkaramba 0.36
[02:58] <_Church_of_FoamY> send me your version lol
[02:58] <digby> k
[02:58] <digby> how do I send a file over irc?
[02:59] <nmorse> DCC
[02:59] <nmorse> What client?
[02:59] <_Church_of_FoamY> um right click on my name
[02:59] <digby> xchat
[02:59] <_Church_of_FoamY> and select send file
[02:59] <_Church_of_FoamY> or konversation
[03:00] <_Church_of_FoamY> wow it works lol
[03:00] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh it faled
[03:00] <digby> hm
[03:00] <digby> I bet I have to go forward ports in my router
[03:00] <nmorse> You know, there are people in this room who are always here and I've never heard them say a word
[03:00] <digby> maybe they're shy
[03:00] <_Church_of_FoamY> really really shy lol
[03:01] <nmorse> Like Choubaka, Blissex, deepspace9, et als.
[03:01] <claydoh> word
[03:01] <nmorse> I need to come up with a program to put in universe
[03:01] <_Church_of_FoamY> i've herd  Choubaka
[03:01] <_Church_of_FoamY> whered you get your version from?
[03:01] <nmorse> Then I can claim the title of a Master of the Universe
[03:02] <nmorse> Yes, I need to do that
[03:02] <digby> I got it from kde-look... but that was a while ago
[03:02] <Tm_T> yhyhyy
[03:02] <_Church_of_FoamY> says connection activly refused
[03:02] <digby> i'm trying to find it somewhere  on the web for you
[03:02] <Tm_T> my cedega hates me
[03:03] <Tm_T> it says "your MS instller is too old" or something like that =)
[03:03] <nmorse> Cedega is hateful
[03:03] <nmorse> It's a fact of life
[03:03] <Tm_T> haha
[03:03] <nmorse> Should have stuck to dx9wine
[03:03] <_Church_of_FoamY> holy shit it works
[03:03] <_Church_of_FoamY> but theres something wrong with the fonts
[03:04] <nmorse> That's easy to fix
[03:04] <nmorse> Just adjust the fonts in the config file
[03:04] <nmorse> Is Superkaramba still only on .36?
[03:04] <digby> I believe so
[03:04] <Tm_T> 36?
[03:04] <nmorse> By now, I figure with as stable as it's been and as long as it's been at .36, it should be declared 1.0
[03:04] <_Church_of_FoamY> how to fix the font?
[03:04] <dreumah> how do i install gnome
[03:05] <nmorse> Right click on it, and select configure theme
[03:05] <nmorse> sudo apt-get install gnome
[03:05] <digby> dreumah: type sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:05] <nmorse> Debian drives me nuts with simplicity some times, because they make these dadgum meta-packages that solve dependencies before apt ever gets there
[03:06] <nmorse> Make sure to get a good GNOME theme
[03:06] <nmorse> The default is about as ugly as Mac OS 7
[03:06] <digby> lol
[03:06] <_Church_of_FoamY> brb
[03:06] <nmorse> That sums up GNOME in a nutshell: As ugly as Mac Classic
[03:07] <digby> I didn't care for the default kubuntu theme, either
[03:07] <nmorse> KDE seems to progress towards OS X'ey
[03:07] <nmorse> pronounced OS Sexy
[03:07] <digby> hahaha
[03:07] <nmorse> too blue, eh, digby?
[03:07] <digby> yeah
[03:07] <digby> everyone is doing blue these days
[03:07] <nmorse> I like a soft red or green for a theme
[03:07] <digby> and don't get me wrong, I like blue, but it's too common
[03:08] <crimsun> murder red, please.
[03:08] <nmorse> Green works very well, but there's no good icon theme in green these days
[03:08] <nmorse> hey crimsun
[03:08] <crimsun> 'lo
[03:10] <_Church_of_FoamY> inet crashed again damn
[03:10] <nmorse> ftp://www.betterthanducttape.com/snapshot3.png is a good example of a red background at least
[03:10] <error403> nmorse, 
[03:10] <nmorse> Warning, passive ftp may not work
[03:10] <error403> i got an error with kpager2 as well
[03:10] <_Church_of_FoamY> the sky is litrally black
[03:10] <nmorse> That bugs me
[03:10] <nmorse> Black, eh?
[03:11] <_Church_of_FoamY> yea really bad weather i think
[03:11] <nmorse> Like plagues of Egypt, black?
[03:13] <nmorse> Really bad weather sucks
[03:13] <nmorse> We lost power for a while here last night
[03:13] <nmorse> But UPS's and Laptop Batteries saved the day
[03:14] <nmorse> I will fix this dadgum KPager2 issue
[03:15] <_Church_of_FoamY> pritty damn close
[03:16] <nmorse> I need a distcc cluster
[03:16] <dreumah> which repos do i have to uncomment?
[03:16] <nmorse> for what?
[03:16] <error403> nmorse, i know what you mean about laptop batteries!
[03:16] <error403> l.ol
[03:17] <dreumah> isnt t here a repo that wants you to use mirrors
[03:17] <dreumah> was it backports?
[03:17] <nmorse> What are you trying to install you need more repos for?
[03:18] <dreumah> mplayer and such things
[03:18] <dreumah> gkrellm
[03:18] <nmorse> Use marillat for mplayer
[03:19] <nmorse> should be on the wiki, dreumah
[03:19] <crimsun> more precisely, use marillat's testing branch for mplayer dependencies, but use multiverse for mplayer itself
[03:19] <error403> gkrellm is in the apt-get repos that are there by default
[03:19] <nmorse> Or on the unofficial FAQ in the topic
[03:19] <error403> i just installed it.....
[03:19] <dreumah> alright
[03:20] <dreumah> how about freebirth?
[03:20] <nmorse> freebirth is in universe/sound
[03:20] <nmorse> meaning universe repo
[03:22] <dreumah> how about java for amd64
[03:22] <dreumah> and flash
[03:22] <nmorse> Check topic
[03:22] <nmorse> Unofficial FAQ
[03:22] <dreumah> kubuntu or ubuntu?
[03:23] <nmorse> http://kudos.berlios.de
[03:24] <_Church_of_FoamY> still got the stupid font problem i can't seem to fix it
[03:24] <nmorse> The theme files don't specify the fonts?
[03:24] <_Church_of_FoamY> i think they do maybe i don't have the fonts
[03:25] <_Church_of_FoamY> it's like theres a square inbetween every letter
[03:25] <nmorse> Like you're getting ASCII characters it can't display?
[03:25] <dreumah> hmm how do i get my amarok to play?
[03:26] <dreumah> it says it has no engine
[03:26] <_Church_of_FoamY> it seems so
[03:26] <nmorse> install amarok-engines
[03:26] <nmorse> sudo apt-get install amarok-arts for example
[03:27] <_Church_of_FoamY> who me?
[03:27] <dreumah> have them installed
[03:27] <Chislon> do i need to read the warty ubuntu install guide, or should i just resize my windows partition and run the install program? and so all i need to do is make it smaller? and i dont need to make a boot area for ubuntu in the front of the drive? and ubuntu will do the rest of the partitioning, will it enable me to do seperate / and /home partitions?
[03:29] <nmorse> Look, you probably want to read the hoary install guide
[03:29] <nmorse> Not the warty
[03:30] <Chislon> well warty is only one i could find
[03:30] <Chislon> can u send me a link for hoary?
[03:31] <Chislon> n/m i found it
[03:31] <Chislon> thank you
[03:31] <nmorse> Good luck with the hoary install, hope to see you here again soon
[03:33] <error403> nmorse, was it you who said you used Cedega?
[03:33] <error403> or someone elsE?
[03:33] <nmorse> I don't use it
[03:33] <error403> lol
[03:33] <digby> I use it
[03:33] <error403> ok
[03:33] <digby> a little
[03:34] <nmorse> Probably Tm_T who was complaining about it
[03:34] <error403> digby, what have you managed to get to run on it?
[03:34] <error403> coz i cant get anything to run
[03:34] <digby> warcraft 3 is the only thing I've tried
[03:34] <error403> i mean, i can install things...
[03:34] <digby> and it runs pretty well
[03:34] <error403> well, when i run something, it appears in the taskbar for a while, then disappears
[03:34] <error403> and then i never hear anything from it....
[03:35] <digby> mine did that too for a while
[03:35] <error403> how youfix it?
[03:35] <digby> I finally installed their point to play thing
[03:35] <digby> and it seems to work a little better
[03:35] <error403> the what?
[03:35] <digby> it's a gui frontend for cedega
[03:35] <error403> ok
[03:35] <error403> where i get it?
[03:36] <digby> I got it the same place I got cedega from...
[03:36] <error403> which is?
[03:36] <digby> *cough*torrent*cough*
[03:36] <Tm_T> oh, now I hate Cedega
[03:37] <Tm_T> I can't even play Flatout :/
[03:37] <nmorse> I got KPager2 working
[03:37] <Tm_T> I managed to install it, but it's not enough
[03:37] <nmorse> You have to kill kicker, then wait for it to restart
[03:37] <error403> what version is it?
[03:37] <error403> digby, is this it?
[03:37] <nmorse> Now to rig up a script in .kde/Autostart to do this for me
[03:37] <error403> point2play-1.3.3-1.tgz
[03:38] <digby> that's it
[03:38] <error403> right
[03:38] <error403> ok
[03:38] <digby> I had a deb, but I think I may have made that from the tgz file
[03:38] <nmorse> start appletproxy /opt/kde3/share/apps/kicker/applets/kpager2.desktop
[03:38] <nmorse> anyone know what that does?
[03:39] <error403> argh!
[03:39] <error403> sleep!
[03:39] <shiv> I installed the 855resolution all works fine on my dell 700m except that the size of windows is too big..any suggestions?
[03:39] <nmorse> Sleep is bad for you
[03:40] <nmorse> It makes you even more tired
[03:40] <nmorse> And stiff from all the tossing and turning
[03:41] <error403> lol
[03:41] <nmorse> If it weren't for Napoleon, I'd swear off sleeping
[03:41] <nmorse> He only made it three days
[03:42] <digby> if you can stay awake long enough, you're supposed to start to hallucinate
[03:42] <error403> LMAO
[03:42] <error403> LMFAO
[03:42] <error403> lol
[03:42] <error403> lol
[03:42] <error403> lol
[03:42] <error403> i just had the craziest idea!
[03:43] <error403> and it worked!
[03:43] <digby> did it involve flash dancing?
[03:43] <error403> eject /dev/hdc && eject -t /dev/hdc
[03:43] <error403> try it
[03:43] <error403> ejects then re-inserts
[03:43] <digby> haha
[03:43] <error403> long enough to insert/remove a disk...
[03:43] <error403> lol
[03:43] <error403> you did it?
[03:44] <digby> now we just need to make a backdoor into someone's box...
[03:44] <digby> haha
[03:44] <error403> LMAO
[03:44] <error403> eject: CD-ROM tray close command failed: Input/output error
[03:44] <error403> on a laptop
[03:44] <error403> coz a laptop is eject-only
[03:45] <digby> haha
[03:45] <digby> if I had friends that ran linux, I think I'd make that a cron job
[03:45] <error403> digby, does this GUI keep track of what you have installed?
[03:45] <digby> yes
[03:45] <nmorse> Try using SSH for such nefarious purposes
[03:45] <error403> and is it to like change settings too?
[03:45] <nmorse> The innocent are too trusting
[03:45] <error403> lol
[03:45] <error403> actually
[03:45] <digby> haha
[03:45] <error403> a friend of mine started his music playing full volume
[03:46] <error403> while he was at school
[03:46] <nmorse> My laptop CDROM drive fails to close too
[03:46] <nmorse> I swear I'm going to rig that up with a mechanical disc changer
[03:51] <nmorse> There we go, moved kpager2.desktop into ~/.kde/Autostart
[03:51] <nmorse> Now to see if restarting KDE lets KPager2 run at startup
[03:56] <nmorse> so much for that bright ide
[03:56] <nmorse> s/ide/idea/
[03:56] <digby> didn't work?
[03:58] <nmorse> Not at all
[03:59] <nmorse> had to kill kicker and then add it
[03:59] <nmorse> as soon as I can figure out what the start appletproxy stuff is I'm going to try that
[04:01] <error403> digby, 
[04:01] <digby> ???
[04:01] <error403> umm
[04:01] <error403> why is everything blanked out?
[04:01] <digby> power outage?
[04:01] <digby> no idea
[04:01] <error403> lol
[04:02] <error403> i mean in Point2Play
[04:02] <nmorse> Because Transgaming gave you the shaft?
[04:02] <digby> did you set it up to find your cedega?
[04:02] <error403> umm, how?
[04:02] <digby> oh, man... let me see if I can find the readme...
[04:02] <error403> ok
[04:02] <error403> thanks
[04:02] <error403> hmm
[04:02] <error403> 1 min
[04:03] <nmorse> I figured out what appletproxy is
[04:03] <nmorse> Now to figure out how to make it put the applet in Kicker
[04:04] <digby> error403: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/164718
[04:10] <error403> digby, i love you!
[04:10] <error403> lol
[04:10] <digby> haha
[04:10] <digby> glad to help
[04:10] <Tm_T> rrr
[04:11] <nmorse> Yay, I think I figured my problem out
[04:11] <error403> digby, did you have framerate problems?
[04:12] <digby> no, but I've only played warcraft 3, and it's supposed to be one of the well supported games
[04:12] <error403> lol
[04:12] <error403> ok
[04:12] <digby> I'm assuming that your video drivers are correctly installed
[04:13] <error403> well, i am running on Kubuntu default for my card...
[04:13] <error403> nVidia Geforce FX5200
[04:13] <error403> should i install the official nVidia drivers?
[04:13] <digby> you can use the ones in the apt repository
[04:14] <digby> apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings
[04:14] <crimsun> error403: just follow the directions on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:14] <_freak> nmorse: I just want to thank you for mentioning the #alsa channel earlier.  I went there and got a tip to fix my sound.  mp3's are playing.  THX!
[04:14] <nmorse> happy to help
[04:14] <Consty> crimsun: Aren't the nvidia drivers optimized for each system? 
[04:14] <nmorse> If you're ever on the Yahoo chats, I'm in the FreeBSD, Linux, Solaris room sometimes
[04:14] <Consty> crimsun: When you compile?
[04:15] <crimsun> Consty: they have to be, since they're kernel-dependent
[04:15] <Consty> crimsun: So when you use apt-get does it compile for you as well?
[04:15] <crimsun> Consty: e.g., the install kernel is -386, so you have the driver compiled for i386
[04:15] <nmorse> Why on earth does appletproxy not bring up Kpager2 in Kicker?
[04:15] <crimsun> Consty: no, they're already included in your install
[04:15] <crimsun> Consty: you just need to enable it
[04:16] <Consty> ah I see
[04:16] <Consty> I'm sure its covered in the unofficial faq when this torrent is done
[04:16] <crimsun> yep, also in the url I typed above
[04:17] <_freak> nite
[04:20] <Consty> crimsun: I'de probably want to compile the kernel for i686 
[04:20] <crimsun> Consty: nah, you'd want to ,,sudo aptitude install linux-686''
[04:20] <crimsun> Consty: then reboot :)
[04:20] <crimsun> Consty: as long as you enabled the Nvidia driver, you're set
[04:21] <crimsun> no compilation needed
[04:21] <Consty> crimsun: Dang theres a command for everything haha
[04:21] <Consty> To used to slackware
[04:21] <crimsun> you could do it from Kynaptic, too, I'm fairly certain
[04:21] <crimsun> I'm a cli person, though
[04:21] <Consty> So am I.
[04:21] <nmorse> CLI indeed
[04:22] <nmorse> Though crimsun, you're an XFCE maintainer, no?
[04:22] <crimsun> yeah
[04:23] <nmorse> Well, XFCE4 is great for a lightweight almost full DE
[04:23] <kalenedrael> note to self: stop using knoppix cd as coaster
[04:23] <kalenedrael> use toasted cd instead
[04:23] <nmorse> Have those XFCE4 themes ever been fixed, by the way?
[04:23] <crimsun> yeah, Xfce is fairly nice. I'm pretty DE-neutral.
[04:23] <crimsun> is there a Malone bug regarding that bug?
[04:23] <nmorse> Make your own coasters, by burning at 52X on a 14X CD
[04:24] <nmorse> Yeah, I put it in myself
[04:24] <nmorse> Haven't gotten an update through the temail yet
[04:24] <crimsun> probably not, I haven't uploaded any Xfce updates due to the Cxx transition in Breezy
[04:25] <nmorse> Ahh, the probably was just that the XFCE4 themes package had a problem involving the themes being in the wrong format
[04:25] <nmorse> I just don't know how to redo the format myself
[04:25] <crimsun> k, I'll try and look later
[04:25] <nmorse> s/probably/problem/
[04:25] <crimsun> jani and I are both pretty busy, but please join the Xfce team (MOTUXfce)
[04:25] <nmorse> I might
[04:25] <Consty> What is your opinions on Enlightenment nmorse/crimsun?
[04:26] <nmorse> I like e16, looking forward to e17
[04:26] <crimsun> E DR15 was amazing, and DR16 is pretty nice, too
[04:26] <nmorse> Wish Ubuntu's e16 had the normal default theme
[04:26] <nmorse> Winter, I think is the name
[04:26] <Consty> they modified it?
[04:26] <kalenedrael> what does DR stand for?
[04:26] <crimsun> it's a straight import from Debian, so it has whatever Debian configured
[04:27] <nmorse> I tried it on Gentoo first, but the E web site said Winter was the new default theme
[04:27] <nmorse> Of course, my mouse clicks don't work on the background either for normal and middle click
[04:28] <nmorse> I think that may be due to .xsession or .xinitrc though as it doesn't work in XFCE4 either
[04:30] <Consty> I was really considering using enlightenment because of how different you can make it look.
[04:31] <dreumah> kvirc keeps crashing on me
[04:31] <Consty> To the extent that someone walks in and looks at it and cannot mistake it for a mac or windows clone.
[04:31] <nmorse> Yeah, just get a good theme for it
[04:31] <nmorse> And enjoy the eye-candy
[04:31] <nmorse> And definitely enjoy use of the .enlightenment/backgrounds/ directory
[04:32] <nmorse> That way you change wallpapers from the right-click menu by clicking on their thumbnail
[04:34] <Consty> yeah its nice
[04:35] <Consty> just probably a lot of configuration to get it to look the way you want.. do the custom icons for applications usually come with the themes?
[04:40] <nmorse> No
[04:40] <nmorse> I really wish the gentoo icons were more widely distributed
[04:40] <nmorse> They have the best game icon collection anywhere
[04:40] <Consty> game icon collection?  what about just regular apps like firefox thunderbird and such
[04:41] <nmorse> They usually bring their own along
[04:41] <nmorse> It's all about where they are
[04:41] <nmorse> Then you just put the path in your .menu file
[04:41] <kalenedrael> oh, and, after apt-get installing enlightenment, how do i use it?
[04:41] <kalenedrael> there is no menu option on the login screen
[04:42] <nmorse> That is a minor problem with Enlightenment currently AFAICT
[04:44] <kalenedrael> AFAICT?
[04:45] <nmorse> AFAI Can Tell
[04:52] <nmorse> kalenedrael: just find an enlightenment.desktop file and put it in the proper sessions directory
[04:53] <kalenedrael> ok
[04:54] <nmorse> I wonder if I have one of those actually
[04:55] <nmorse> Are you using KDM or GDM?
[04:55] <kalenedrael> kdm
[04:56] <nmorse> There should be one in your sessions directory
[04:56] <nmorse> Now to figure out why it doesn't show up
[04:57] <nmorse> BBIAM
[05:08] <nmorse> back
[05:16] <nmorse> kalenedrael: try copying the /usr/share/apps/kdm/sessions/enlightenment.desktop to /usr/share/xsessions/
[05:23] <Consty> ugh, I'm running out of seeds on the dvd torrent for kubuntu :(
[05:23] <Tm_T> :/
[05:23] <Tm_T> give me thae url
[05:24] <Tm_T> -a
[05:24] <Tm_T> ?
[05:24] <Consty> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/kubuntu-5.04-dvd-i386.iso.torrent
[05:24] <Tm_T> ok
[05:27] <nmorse> I wish there was a LUG in my area
[05:27] <Tm_T> heh
[05:27] <nmorse> And even a FUG
[05:27] <Tm_T> we have one in here
[05:27] <nmorse> The only other current linux user I know in my town uses a Knoppix HD install and has dial-up
[05:28] <nmorse> Not much he can do with that
[05:28] <Tm_T> haha
[05:28] <Tm_T> and you live in where?
[05:28] <nmorse> Rural Oklahoma
[05:28] <nmorse> Near the Arkansas border
[05:28] <Tm_T> how big "city" ?
[05:28] <nmorse> The tech-barren wasteland of the southeast
[05:28] <nmorse> Maybe 1500
[05:28] <nmorse> people in the whole town
[05:28] <Tm_T> ok, so no LUG :/
[05:29] <nmorse> The town south of us has about 4-6k people
[05:29] <Tm_T> we have ~50K people in this town and in surroundings same more
[05:29] <nmorse> The town north almost 10k (seasonally)
[05:29] <Tm_T> and we have "big" LUG, about 20 people
[05:29] <nmorse> This is a land where technology is unknown
[05:29] <Tm_T> and I know over 100 Linux users in here =)
[05:29] <nmorse> Except in trucks
[05:30] <nmorse> I think I should move to Canada where there are lots of linux users
[05:30] <nmorse> Yeah, Canada sounds really good
[05:31] <crimsun> rural ok doesn't sound that bad
[05:31] <crimsun> peaceful, at least, which is good
[05:32] <kakalto> *sigh*
[05:32] <nmorse> Peaceful? Ha!
[05:32] <Tm_T> hahaha
[05:32] <crimsun> gunshots?
[05:32] <nmorse> This is Adair County, Oklahoma
[05:32] <nmorse> We're the dadgum Meth Capital of the dadgum World!
[05:32] <kakalto> I live in a peaceful place :D
[05:33] <Tm_T> btw russians are flying above with their migs, great...
[05:33] <crimsun> heh.
[05:33] <crimsun> it's pretty quiet here in rochester, mn
[05:33] <nmorse> We have more arrests and murders a year than most counties with 30 times our population
[05:33] <Tm_T> and this is not a joke =)
[05:33] <crimsun> before that, I lived in chapel hill, nc, a mere 15 minutes away from RTP
[05:33] <nmorse> Russian migs?
[05:33] <nmorse> Crap
[05:33] <Tm_T> heh
[05:33] <Tm_T> ok, 50km from here
[05:33] <Tm_T> not straight above
[05:34] <Tm_T> but anyway
[05:34] <Tm_T> hmm, it "happens" sometimes
[05:34] <nmorse> We had, I think 13 murders in our county in two months, while the closest metro area had 2
[05:34] <Tm_T> and cargo planes etc etc
[05:34] <nmorse> The Fayetteville-Springdale area has way more people than we do
[05:35] <Tm_T> heh
[05:35] <Tm_T> nmorse: just guess where's highest suicide rate ;--P
[05:35] <thoreauputic> Tm_T: aim a powerful speaker at the and play "Finlandia" *g*
[05:35] <nmorse> No idea, but I know we have the highest teen pregnancy rate in the USA
[05:36] <monchy> so lots of potential springer guests then
[05:36] <Tm_T> thoreauputic: haha
[05:36] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:36] <nmorse> Yep, thorough rednecks here
[05:37] <Tm_T> but anyway, I love to live in here =)
[05:37] <nmorse> Like I said, I want to move to Canada
[05:37] <nmorse> Or Hawaii
[05:37] <nmorse> I would like to be warm
[05:37] <Tm_T> too much sun
[05:37] <Tm_T> and there must be much snow!
[05:37] <Tm_T> in winter I mean =)
[05:37] <monchy> that's a myth
[05:38] <Tm_T> monchy: ...do you know how great it is when sun is up onlu a few hours a day ;)
[05:38] <Tm_T> s/onlu/only
[05:38] <nmorse> It's horrible
[05:38] <nmorse> I have a friend who lives in Alaska
[05:38] <Tm_T> I like
[05:38] <monchy> actually i don't mind
[05:38] <Tm_T> and in summer... it's all up =)
[05:39] <monchy> i hate summer :(
[05:39] <nmorse> Why doesn't backports have any of the software in it I put it in my sources.list for?
[05:40] <nmorse> I like summer, and the 100 degree Farenheit weather
[05:40] <nmorse> and the 80% humidity
[05:40] <crimsun> I like summer and the 70F weather
[05:40] <Tm_T> hmm, how about -35'C winter ;)
[05:40] <nmorse> 70F?
[05:40] <Tm_T> I like
[05:40] <nmorse> Where?
[05:40] <monchy> 33+ C weather here + humidity makes me want to die
[05:40] <monchy> too hot and sticky
[05:41] <Tm_T> monchy: I know the feeling
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:41] <Tm_T> even a motorcycle can't ceep it cool :/
[05:42] <Tm_T> yeah, you push it over 100mph ans still it's too hot :/
[05:42] <monchy> we had days so hot last year you could cook an egg on a slab of stone -.-
[05:42] <Tm_T> haha
[05:42] <Tm_T> monchy: you should move to Finland ;)
[05:42] <crimsun> nmorse: rochester :)
[05:42] <Tm_T> we have nice weather(tm)
[05:42] <monchy> no way, it may be hot but i love canada ;p
[05:42] <Tm_T> haha
[05:43] <monchy> besides i could never give up the beer
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[05:43] <Tm_T> monchy: ...so you don't know Finland ;)
[05:43] <monchy> is the beer good there?
[05:43] <Tm_T> well, I think so
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes it it good ;)
[05:44] <nmorse> Needles, Arizona
[05:44] <nmorse> That's one hot area
[05:44] <monchy> hm, aren't there alot of big snakes in arizona?
[05:44] <nmorse> yeah
[05:45] <nmorse> Real big snakes
[05:45] <monchy> :x
[05:45] <nmorse> We have some here in OK too
[05:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[05:45] <nmorse> Not many snakes in Canada?
[05:45] <monchy> just missisauga rattlers lol
[05:45] <monchy> oh and black widow spiders
[05:45] <nmorse> Bah, I'll send you a snake in the mail
[05:45] <monchy> noooo
[05:45] <Tm_T> wolfes <3
[05:46] <nmorse> Saw two in the water at Lake Tenkiller 
[05:46] <Tm_T> forest <3
[05:46] <nmorse> More copperheads and King Snakes on the side of the road
[05:46] <monchy> black mamba
[05:46] <Tm_T> ok, breakfast ->
[05:46] <nmorse> Australia: the land where if anything bites you, you die
[05:46] <monchy> saw that on crocodile hunter scared the crap outta me lol
[05:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> wee :)
[05:47] <monchy> do you gotta check your shoes and sheets and stuff livin in australia?
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> depends where you live. not in the city so much.
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> also depends how you keep your house ;)
[05:48] <nmorse> Do they really just shoot camels as pests down there?
[05:48] <nmorse> Or sell them to foolish rich Arabs?
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> shoot them
[05:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> they are a pest
[05:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> and rabbits
[05:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> and foxes
[05:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> cats arnt shot, but should be
[05:49] <nmorse> So Australians just shoot camels and rabbits on sight?
[05:49] <monchy> :o
[05:49] <nmorse> That's good
[05:49] <nmorse> I'll send some PETA people down there dressed as camels
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> not quite on site...
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> not man y ppl see cammels
[05:51] <monchy> i think i'd rather see camels and rabbits than snakes and spiders lol
[05:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont forget Aus is a big place
[05:51] <nmorse> So, wallabies, what's up with that?
[05:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. and i would rather see snakes and spiders
[05:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> they bounce
[05:51] <monchy> but they can kill you
[05:53] <nmorse> And why do Australians claim Koalas are nice, cuddly animals? They've got 6-inch razor claws and can leap 10 feet through the air.
[05:53] <nmorse> I wouldn't touch a koala
[05:53] <Tm_T> would you eat one?
[05:54] <thoreauputic> nmorse: a koala is more likely to piss on you than kill you :)
[05:54] <nmorse> Really?
[05:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. what he said
[05:54] <nmorse> I wouldn't touch a koala
[05:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> they are cool.... but if it pisses on you, throw away the clothes
[05:54] <thoreauputic> nmorse: they sleep mostly, anyway, afaics
[05:54] <nmorse> Can't get koala urine smell out?
[05:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, after weeeeeeksss
[05:55] <nmorse> Right, throw the clothes out
[05:56] <nmorse> All the poisonous stuff is clearly why penguins never made it to Australia
[05:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> wtf????
[05:56] <nmorse> Penguins made it to every other southern hemisphere continent
[05:57] <nmorse> Africa, Antarctica, South America
[05:57] <nmorse> Even the Galapagos Islands have penguins
[05:57] <nmorse> But not Australia
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> *growls* we have penguins.
[05:58] <nmorse> Really?
[05:58] <nmorse> I've never heard of an Australian penguin
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes. 
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> fairy penguins
[05:58] <nmorse> I'll look those up
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> and some of the sothern islands have bigger penguins
[05:59] <nmorse> Hmm, I wonder why I haven't heard of them before
[06:00] <nmorse> I always think it's funny when some South American idiot thinks the penguin on the beach is hopelessly lost and sticks it in the bathtub in ice water
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> LOL
[06:00] <nmorse> They invariably die, and the local wildlife expert puts out another press release
[06:00] <nmorse> Happens at least once a month in Brazil
[06:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> omg. *shakes head*
[06:01] <monchy> poor poor penguins
[06:01] <Consty> nmorse: I'm curious, you're a programmer right?
[06:02] <Tm_T> uhm, maybe I pick up some other Kubuntu torrents too...
[06:02] <nmorse> Somewhat of one, yes
[06:02] <Consty> What kind of stuff do you work on?
[06:02] <nmorse> Right now, I'm working on a KDE Jabber client
[06:02] <nmorse> I hate kopete, and hate GTK2 even more
[06:03] <Consty> what you using? qt?
[06:03] <nmorse> I figure a proper KDE client with DCOP support, etc. would be a Good Thing
[06:03] <nmorse> QT and the KDE libraries
[06:03] <Consty> nice..  ever make any games?
[06:03] <nmorse> No, can't say that I have
[06:04] <nmorse> Probably what I'll go into after college though
[06:04] <Consty> Ah, just checking.  That's what I do for a hobby.
[06:04] <nmorse> Looking at doing Strategy and RPG mostly
[06:04] <nmorse> What kind of games do you write?
[06:04] <nmorse> Kamping_Kaiser: those little fairy penguins are neat
[06:04] <nmorse> funny little tourist birds, eh?
[06:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep :) kinda cute
[06:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[06:04] <Consty> I released a pretty small online rpg in 2001
[06:05] <Consty> I had a decent following, ~2000 accounts
[06:05] <Tm_T> oh, Penguins in Africa ;)
[06:05] <Tm_T> oh yes there is
[06:05] <nmorse> Yeah, some of them found their way to the Tulsa Zoo here
[06:05] <nmorse> I like to go watch the penguins
[06:05] <Tm_T> some day Penguins konquer the world
[06:05] <Tm_T> ;)
[06:06] <nmorse> I'm probably going to buy a zoo membership to keep this habit up
[06:06] <Tm_T> nooooo
[06:06] <nmorse> what's the "nooooo" about?
[06:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh
[06:06] <Tm_T> root: little tip for you, don't irc as root ;)
[06:06] <Consty> nmorse: It was pretty cool, it was a clone of final fantasy 4 for snes but online
[06:06] <Tm_T> ah, he's gone already
[06:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[06:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh. didnt notice that tm_t
[06:07] <nmorse> nice, Consty
[06:07] <Tezkah> haha
[06:07] <nmorse> Kamping_Kaiser: I see those fairy penguins are what bit Linus Torvalds
[06:07] <Consty> Want to see a couple old screenshots?
[06:07] <nmorse> Sure
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> nmorese yes... so we do have penguins :)
[06:08] <nmorse> We owe those little Australian birds a lot apparently, meaning time to catch one and bring it here
[06:08] <Consty> http://mirage_online.tripod.com/shot1.gif shot2.gif and shot3.gif  these are really old
[06:09] <Consty> I since sold the game, that was back when I got fed up with Windows and switched to Linux.
[06:10] <scanwinder> 	does anyone know how to set up a Lucent Microelectronics V.92 56K Winmodem?
[06:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> try grabing scanmodem
[06:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> and finding what driver it recomends 
[06:10] <nmorse> Why did you use FF4 for a base?
[06:10] <scanwinder> i ran it on it
[06:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbl food.
[06:11] <nmorse> Don't eat a penguin
[06:11] <scanwinder> lol
[06:11] <Consty> nmorse: I'm horrible at graphics, and it was easy to do screenshots and crop out ff4's tiles.
[06:11] <nmorse> Ah, you just need to get a graphic artist to help you out
[06:11] <Tm_T> hmm
[06:12] <nmorse> You write the engine, they do the art, you split the profit (which is nil for open source software)
[06:12] <Consty> Well I'm working on a new one using C++/SDL, an online version of River City Ransom
[06:13] <nmorse> Ooh, tasty penguin
[06:13] <Tm_T> =)
[06:13] <nmorse> I often wonder if it a $4 chicken tastes pretty good, what a $1500 penguin would taste like
[06:14] <nmorse> And then I figure it's a lot like Spotted Owl and Bald Eagle
[06:27] <Consty> nmorse why didn't you like kopete again
[06:28] <Tm_T> hmm, Kopete :/
[06:29] <Consty> is it just the interface that sucks?
[06:29] <Tm_T> Gaim is good :)
[06:29] <Tm_T> Consty: thats one
[06:31] <nmorse> Yeah, the interface
[06:31] <Consty> but its functional.. everything works?  file transfers, direct connection and such for aim?
[06:34] <nmorse> I don't know about AIM
[06:36] <Consty> thanks :)
[06:37] <Tm_T> Consty: it's third time this month
[06:37] <Consty> it's nice of you
[06:37] <Tm_T> I can't even make this to login =)
[06:38] <Tm_T> haha
[06:38] <Consty> that bad eh?
[06:39] <Tm_T> ok, now I love this =)
[06:40] <Tm_T> heh, nice "feature" ;)
[06:40] <nmorse> I think I'm going to open the USA's first penguin ranch
[06:40] <nmorse> And raise Penguins
[06:40] <Tm_T> haha
[06:40] <nmorse> Sell em as pets
[06:40] <Tm_T> for food too?
[06:40] <nmorse> Big Macaroni Penguins with the beer bellies
[06:40] <Tm_T> haha
[06:40] <nmorse> Beer Buddy Penguins TM
[06:41] <nmorse> Impeccably Dressed!
[06:41] <nmorse> Great Lawn Ornaments too!
[06:42] <nmorse> I'm telling you, I could make money off of this idea
[06:42] <nmorse> 9 million breeding pairs of Macaroni penguins out there
[06:42] <nmorse> No one would even notice a couple hundred headed for the U.S.
[06:43] <monchy> george dubya would see that and make another exscuse to go to war lol
[06:43] <nmorse> We must acquire more penguins from South Georgia!
[06:43] <nmorse> They have WMDs!
[06:44] <monchy> lol
[06:51] <Tm_T> Consty: ha!
[06:51] <Tm_T> Consty: looks like KDE wallet is broken...
[07:07] <Tm_T> Consty: aaah!
[07:15] <Tm_T> nice thing
[07:15] <nmorse> thepenguinconspiracy.com
[07:16] <nmorse> looks odd, talks about penguins taking over the world
[07:16] <Tm_T> looks like I have broken KDED
[07:16] <Tm_T> nmorse: aha! what I said!
[07:16] <NothingButYou> hello all!
[07:17] <Tm_T> hullo
[07:17] <Kaiser_away> hi
[07:18] <Kaiser_away> bye ;)
[07:30] <nmorse> broken KDED?
[07:32] <Tm_T> hmm,
[07:32] <Tm_T> yup
[07:32] <Tm_T> I can't use Kwallet(and so Kopete is useless) or any KDE Daemons(?)
[07:34] <nmorse> I am amazed Tm_T
[07:34] <nmorse> And now, I take my leave
[07:34] <Tm_T> :)
[07:42] <bmarkby> Hi
[07:48] <emoboy> hello
[07:48] <emoboy> <- in search of a bit of help, if anyone is up for it
[07:49] <Tm_T> ok?
[07:49] <emoboy> well i am having a problem starting the xserver. i installed kubuntu with no problem, logged in, and then when i startx, it throws me an error and wont start x
[07:50] <Tm_T> hmh
[07:50] <emoboy> for various reasons, each time differe eg "no core pointer" or messed up display settings
[07:50] <emoboy> its an older lappie, so i could have just screwed sometin up
[07:51] <Tm_T> sorry, too complicated at the moment :/
[07:51] <Tm_T> can't think
[07:51] <emoboy> hrm its ok
[07:53] <NothingButYou> emoboy: checkout the /var/logs/Xorg*.log
[07:54] <NothingButYou> look for a line beginning with E which means error
[07:54] <NothingButYou> am.. /var/log :) sorry
[07:54] <emoboy> ok, ill type it out
[07:57] <emoboy> ok, the first EE is "Couldnt load XKB keymap"
[07:57] <NothingButYou> so go to the /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change it :)
[07:58] <NothingButYou> suppose you want the "us" one? or .. smth for your country
[07:58] <Troublesome> i just got kubuntu working on my powerbook G4 only two things that arent awesome ...no wireless and not much sound hehehe
[07:58] <emoboy> thats all the errors, but there was a bunch of warnings and a fatal error about default font "fixed"
[07:58] <NothingButYou> let's fix the xkb, then the rest
[07:59] <emoboy> ok ill look at the xorg.conf and see what the XKB is set too, although i pretty sure i just set it as us with the -dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg thing
[08:00] <NothingButYou> hm.. as long as it gives errors .. it's not right :}
[08:00] <emoboy> thats what i thought too. ill look and report what it says.
[08:00] <NothingButYou> Troublesome: congrats but.. can't help with that.. No macs around :)
[08:00] <NothingButYou> ok
[08:00] <Troublesome> :)
[08:01] <mikere> I downloaded the live cd from the web site and checked the md5sum (was good) and have now burned 3 CD's that don't appear work.  When I check integrity I get an error. The size of the data on the burned CD is same as the size of the ISO - any ideas?
[08:01] <NothingButYou> mikere: sure you're booting from a cdrom?
[08:01] <emoboy> burn at a lower speed, that happened to me too
[08:01] <NothingButYou> emoboy: you may xorgconfig if you don't want to fight with config
[08:02] <mikere> NothingButYou: certain that I am - I get the kubuntu splash screen, start booting the live cd, select language, get the following integrity check error (next line)
[08:02] <NothingButYou> hm... yea, burn at a lower speed :) and may the power be with your cd-rom/dvd-rom
[08:02] <NothingButYou> :}
[08:03] <mikere> integrity check failed: /pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/acpi-modules-2.6.10-5-386-di_2.6.10-34.i386.udeb 
[08:03] <mikere> or something very close to that
[08:03] <emoboy> i tried the xorgconfig....heres what the file says : XKBrules = "xorg" Model = "pc104" Layout = "us"
[08:03] <mikere> Copying the file to another box with a burner and trying that one I guess
[08:04] <emoboy> model seems a bit off, although i dont know what to set it to
[08:04] <NothingButYou> no leave it as is
[08:04] <NothingButYou> it should run
[08:04] <emoboy> i know it should,,, but ???
[08:04] <NothingButYou> same errors?
[08:04] <emoboy> ill try startx again
[08:05] <NothingButYou> try xinit instead
[08:05] <NothingButYou> mikere: burn the iso at about 8x .. maybe that'll help.. Sometimes:)
[08:06] <emoboy> tried both, same error both times...the XKB and the font error
[08:06] <emoboy> at the bottom it says...
[08:06] <NothingButYou> hmm.. strange.. 
[08:06] <emoboy> fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X Server blah blah blah
[08:06] <NothingButYou> yea.. that's logical
[08:07] <NothingButYou> mmm.. hoary I suppose?
[08:07] <emoboy> yes im using the latest
[08:07] <mikere> NothingButYou: my burner doesn't like these blanks I think - won't burn em over 8x - have tried 8x and 4x on tihs box, gonna try other box next
[08:07] <NothingButYou> no breezy updates I hope? :)
[08:08] <emoboy> nothing updated i just dled the iso and installed
[08:08] <NothingButYou> ahym, alright
[08:08] <NothingButYou> can you give me your X logfile please?
[08:20] <mikere> And.... burning on my other box leads to a good burn and now booting up kubuntu for the first time.
[08:20] <mikere> Seeing a new distro is always exciting
[08:21] <Tm_T> haha
[08:22] <Tm_T> first thing, add new repositories
[08:22] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/temp/sources.list-temp  check some hints from there
[08:22] <mikere> Tm_T: just using live cd for starters - see it first, then dedicate some hdd space
[08:22] <Tm_T> ok
[08:22] <Tm_T> that live-CD sucks
[08:24] <Tm_T> my desktop: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_045.png
[08:25] <emoboy> nice i like it
[08:25] <Tm_T> yeah
[08:25] <Tm_T> selfmade/edited backgrounds, icons, etc etc
[08:26] <emoboy> i still cant get this to work :/
[08:26] <Tm_T> "if you can modify it, modify it"
[08:27] <NothingButYou> let's see if I can get to work HalfLife...
[08:28] <Tm_T> bah
[08:28] <Tm_T> I'm gonna uninstall cedega
[08:28] <emoboy> if i cant get kubuntu to work, any other distros you could suggest?
[08:28] <NothingButYou> :} I've just apt-got wine.. MS Office's installer sux as usual...
[08:29] <emoboy> would ubuntu have similar problems, or whould i veer away towards mandrake etc?
[08:29] <NothingButYou> there's no much differents betw U and K(ubuntu)
[08:29] <NothingButYou> difference.
[08:29] <Tm_T> emoboy: Debian <3
[08:29] <NothingButYou> :)
[08:29] <emoboy> yeah i figured that
[08:29] <emoboy> honestly, shall i try it:
[08:29] <emoboy> ?
[08:30] <Tm_T> Debian!
[08:30] <NothingButYou> try it :) 
[08:30] <Tm_T> Debian \o/
[08:30] <emoboy> ok, then Debian it is!
[08:30] <NothingButYou> it may work! :)
[08:30] <emoboy> i got spare CD's, and spare time
[08:30] <NothingButYou> especially on your laptop
[08:30] <emoboy> io dont want to go back to damn small linux :////
[08:30] <Tm_T> Debian Testing <3
[08:31] <NothingButYou> Tm_T the day before yesterday it was a Gentoo day for me... yesterday was the Gentoo-crack day...
[08:31] <NothingButYou> today is the Kubuntu-again :)
[08:31] <Tm_T> haha
[08:31] <Tm_T> well, it won't be Gentoo day for me ever
[08:32] <emoboy> howmany cds is debian
[08:32] <NothingButYou> maan.. 20 hours of compilation are worth it .. 
[08:32] <ilba7r> any one know how to configue a wirless card broadcom BCM4306 802.11b/g wirless controller
[08:32] <mikere> Welp, live CD boots up to a completely black screen - any hints?
[08:32] <NothingButYou> but then...
[08:32] <mikere> Black screen after going through all the boot up stuff, that is - think it's trying to start x
[08:32] <NothingButYou> emoboy: 7-8.. depends :)
[08:33] <mikere> Hm, looks like complete hardware lockup - no cap lock or num lock key lights working
[08:33] <NothingButYou> Tm_T should now better :)
[08:33] <NothingButYou> mikere what machine are you trying to run this CD
[08:33] <Tm_T> emoboy: you need only 6 floppies or first cd
[08:33] <emoboy> omg 7 cds...i dunno about that then
[08:33] <emoboy> why only ist cd?
[08:34] <Tm_T> you apt-get the rest if you need =)
[08:34] <Tm_T> you have internet for that you silly girl
[08:34] <emoboy> no network though :/ silly boy
[08:34] <Tm_T> haha
[08:34] <emoboy> :)
[08:34] <NothingButYou> then 6-7 cds :}
[08:34] <emoboy> lol
[08:34] <Tm_T> then take... well, three first
[08:35] <Tm_T> I think there's most
[08:35] <mikere> NothingButYou: Athlon 2000+, radeon 9000 pro, asus a7n8x mobo
[08:35] <Tm_T> and full debian set is more like 15 cds
[08:35] <Tm_T> beat that MS!
[08:35] <NothingButYou> mikere: strange .. 
[08:36] <emoboy> should i try Mepis?
[08:36] <Tm_T> hmm
[08:36] <emoboy> built on Debian
[08:36] <NothingButYou> emoboy: it's good one..
[08:36] <Tm_T> yes, but it's not Debian
[08:36] <mikere> NothingButYou: wonder if I should try noapic nolapic
[08:36] <NothingButYou> mikere: well try noapic but .. :) dunno
[08:36] <mikere> haha, can't hurt anyway
[08:38] <NothingButYou> emoboy: which distro runs on that Presario?
[08:38] <NothingButYou> lamedrake?
[08:38] <emoboy> ive been running Damn Small linux, but i need something better
[08:38] <mikere> DSL is very nice for lower spec machines
[08:39] <emoboy> yeah, true
[08:39] <NothingButYou> mm slack.. 
[08:39] <NothingButYou> but try mepis :) 
[08:39] <emoboy> im burning mepis now, ill try it
[08:39] <NothingButYou> and before that ask someone else for you problem cause ubuntu's better :}
[08:40] <emoboy> ask in #ubuntu?
[08:40] <NothingButYou> well.. you may try... 
[08:40] <NothingButYou> if google doesn't help
[08:40] <emoboy> they sent me here after ignoring me :/
[08:40] <mikere> Hm. Doesn't want to work on my other box, think I'll reboot this one and boot with the live cd.  Night for now, all
[08:41] <emoboy> cya
[08:41] <NothingButYou> cya:}
[08:42] <emoboy> ive tried a bunch on this lappie...vector, DSL, XandrOS
[08:42] <emoboy> mandrake
[08:43] <NothingButYou> and how's vector
[08:43] <NothingButYou> :}
[08:43] <emoboy> horrid
[08:43] <NothingButYou> :}
[08:43] <emoboy> actually it aint bad but i couldnt configure it with my monitor
[08:43] <emoboy> image quality was bad
[08:44] <scanwinder> is apollon in kubuntu?
[08:46] <emoboy> here we go with mepis...:/
[08:47] <NothingButYou> scanwinder: it was as far as I remember
[08:47] <NothingButYou> emoboy: go :P
[08:47] <NothingButYou> I'll brb
[08:47] <emoboy> k
[08:48] <scanwinder> how do i install it then?
[08:50] <emoboy> ooo i think my old lappie is in love with mepis, seems to be booting fine from LiveCD
[08:52] <scanwinder> i tried installing it using arkollon but i got the following error
[08:52] <scanwinder>  * configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[08:52] <scanwinder> ***** Return value 1
[08:55] <scanwinder> wait, i think i found a fix
[08:56] <NothingButYou> scanwinder: apt-get install apollon
[08:57] <NothingButYou> ot use kynaptic/synaptic
[08:58] <emoboy> omg this is wonderful
[08:58] <NothingButYou> install and reboot then we'll talk about it :}
[08:58] <emoboy> lol
[09:02] <\sh> what is apollon?
[09:03] <Tm_T> hey \sh 
[09:04] <\sh> moins Tm_T 
[09:04] <\sh> uh..sorry..good morning Tm_T :)
[09:04] <Tm_T> \sh: have you heard anything about KDED ?
[09:04] <\sh> Tm_T: what about it?
[09:04] <Tm_T> looks like mine doesn't work
[09:04] <\sh> what is not working? 
[09:05] <Tm_T> well, whole KDED thing, so KDE wallet doesn't work so Kopete doesn't work...
[09:05] <\sh> hmm...no...this works for me here...new install of kubuntu with update packages to 3.4.1
[09:06] <Tm_T> heh
[09:06] <Tm_T> so it's just mine "great" test sessions ;)
[09:06] <Tm_T> ok, so I'll reboot soon
[09:06] <Tm_T> I think that'll fix it
[09:07] <emoboy> installing now...
[09:07] <Tm_T> amu: mepis?
[09:07] <Tm_T> emoboy: 
[09:07] <emoboy> yep
[09:07] <Tm_T> damn, I have to train my kb accuration
[09:07] <emoboy> lol
[09:08] <Tm_T> yeah, reboot once a week isn't that bad idea whan install/uninstalling heavy ->
[09:08] <emoboy> the liveCD install is going damn slow on this QUAD speed cd reader
[09:10] <NothingButYou> on the seventh day God has brought a new laptop
[09:10] <emoboy> haha i wish/hope
[09:14] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:18] <Tm_T> let's see
[09:18] <Tm_T> yeah
[09:18] <Tm_T> reboot helped =)
[09:19] <Tm_T> looks like something KDED related just have crashed in background
[09:20] <KaiL_> it always exists, if you restart hal
[09:22] <Tm_T> yeah
[09:23] <Tm_T> hmm just why that one app keeps running on start, have to find it and kill it at once...
[09:29] <Tm_Nuada> yeah
[09:32] <emoboy> 85%
[09:32] <emoboy> done
[09:32] <Tm_Nuada> hmh, Kopete :/
[09:33] <Tm_Nuada> Jethro Tull - Rocks On The Road
[09:33] <Tm_Nuada> I'll take a pic, so smile ;)
[09:34] <scanwinder> when i go apt-get install apollon, it cant find it
[09:34] <scanwinder> do i need 2 add a particular repository?
[09:34] <Tm_Nuada> maybe
[09:34] <scanwinder> does any1 know of any repositories that have it?
[09:37] <scanwinder> ive been trying to install it using arkollon........but i keep gettin the following error
[09:37] <scanwinder> checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl
[09:37] <scanwinder>  * configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[09:38] <scanwinder> can any1 help with that?
[09:39] <Tm_Nuada> yes
[09:40] <Tm_Nuada> apt-get install libqt3-headers libqt3-dev
[09:40] <Tm_Nuada> that will give you a good start
[09:44] <wallpaper11> nature-girl
[09:45] <Tm_T> which one you would use ;) http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/irssi-kopete-gaim.png
[09:48] <scanwinder> libqt3-dev has depends on libqt3c102
[09:48] <scanwinder> and that wont install
[09:48] <Tm_Nuada> ehm
[09:48] <scanwinder> like nothing 2do with qt3 will install
[09:49] <Tm_Nuada> sleeeep ->
[09:49] <scanwinder> sleep?
[09:50] <scanwinder> i tried sleeping once........big mistake
[09:52] <Tm_T> yeah
[09:53] <Tm_T> I just quitted my third irssi in here, no use
[09:55] <Chislon> hi, could i get some help figuring out partitions
[10:06] <brosio> hi
[10:07] <brosio> how could i automount my dvd rom ?
[10:11] <Chislon> is it correct that linx can read NFTS and that you can get a prog for windows to read ext2, and that if i do then there is no need for a file sharing fat32 partition? and if so, is it then advisable to do it this way over doing a fat32 partition? please say my name in response so i can find it easier if you would, thank you
[10:25] <scanwinder> how do i install qt3-dev? in kynaptic when i try to select it, it selects a whole lot of other packages except it and when i go2 install them, they wont install
[10:29] <scanwinder> any1 know why?
[10:32] <Tm_T> Chislon: it's better to just use fat32
[10:32] <Chislon> ok, thank you
[10:33] <Tm_T> well, at least I think so
[10:34] <Tm_T> 10G fat32 partition in 160G HD doesn't harm much
[10:35] <Chislon> well
[10:36] <Chislon> i have like 55 gig
[10:36] <Chislon> about 12-13 used up in windows already
[10:36] <Chislon> not sure how to divy it all up
[10:36] <Chislon> i want to do programming, and 2d/3d graphics/animation, gonna start programming wiht learning python, using blender for 3d, was thinking of doing flash for 2d..
[10:36] <Chislon> but not sure how to split up my drive
[10:36] <Chislon> i was thinking of doing / and /home seperate
[10:36] <Tm_T> well, I suggest to have separate HD for linux
[10:37] <Tm_T> 80G doesn't cost much anymore
[10:37] <Chislon> its a laptop
[10:37] <Tm_T> not even 160
[10:37] <Tm_T> ah
[10:37] <Tm_T> then it's harder though...
[10:37] <Chislon> how do you mean
[10:37] <Tm_T> I mean upgrading ;)
[10:37] <Chislon> oh heh heh ya
[10:38] <Tm_T> 20 for win, 25 for linux (not enough in future I afraid), 1-2 for swap and rest for fat32 :p
[10:38] <Chislon> can you recommend how to split it up?
[10:38] <Chislon> oops sorry
[10:39] <Tm_T> something like that maybe
[10:39] <Tm_T> and I bet you can cut down that window partition more
[10:39] <Tm_T> windowS :p
[10:39] <Tm_T> there's usually 2G shit in windir
[10:39] <Chislon> ok, its got about 12-13 on i tnow... oh
[10:40] <Tm_T> I normally clean 5G temps etc from windows partitions =)
[10:40] <Chislon> nice
[10:41] <Chislon> if im going to do / and /home sperate, how much gigs for / and how much for /home
[10:41] <Tm_T> at least 5G
[10:41] <Tm_T>  / at least 5G
[10:41] <Chislon> and in the ubuntu installer do i need to know more then just that / goes in one an /home in the other, im new to linux so i dont know what all goes where, somebody told me once but i dont remember or know if it was everything
[10:42] <Tm_T> hmh, maybe then I'm not the right one to explain, I'm veeery tired (no sleep last night) so I'm not in my sharpest knive
[10:42] <Chislon> ok, so then the ubuntu installer doenst just set it up to easily be / or /home?
[10:42] <Chislon> if not perhaps id best just do it all as one..
[10:43] <Tm_T> it supposed to ask them nicely ;)
[10:43] <Chislon> heh heh ok
[10:43] <Chislon> will the ubuntu installer set up the fat32 space, i think someone told me it would, but i want to double check
[10:43] <scanwinder> installing apollon, im getting the following error
[10:43] <scanwinder> configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!
[10:43] <scanwinder> when i go2 install libqt3c102 in kynaptic, it wont let me select it
[10:44] <NothingButYou> scanwinder: which repositories are u using?
[10:44] <scanwinder> the default ones..........
[10:45] <scanwinder> which shoult i be using?
[10:45] <NothingButYou> you should add universe and multiverse if you have not done that
[10:45] <NothingButYou> I suppose..
[10:45] <scanwinder> what are the apt lines for those?
[10:46] <NothingButYou> just add "universe multiverse" to the "main restricted" lines
[10:46] <NothingButYou> and btw apollon is in the repositories of Ubuntu..
[10:46] <NothingButYou> you don't have to build it
[10:47] <scanwinder> oh ok
[10:48] <Chislon> what do you think of doing 8 for / and 17 for /home and 8 for fat32?
[10:48] <NothingButYou> I'm 5 / 5 /home 6 /fat32 + 6 /music on fat32
[10:49] <_Church_of_FoamY> OMG!!! stupid popups
[10:49] <NothingButYou> but if you're going to do programming leave more space for the / :)
[10:51] <Chislon> ok, is 8 good u think?
[10:51] <Chislon> or not enough
[10:52] <NothingButYou> well.. I suppose so
[10:52] <NothingButYou> :}
[10:53] <Chislon> lol well should i do more?
[10:53] <NothingButYou> / -8 , /home - 20 , swap 1-2, rest - do what you want :)
[10:53] <Chislon> ok thank you
[10:53] <NothingButYou> well you may / 10 :)
[10:53] <NothingButYou> but I think 8 is fine
[10:53] <Chislon> ok, thank you
[10:54] <NothingButYou> welcome :)
[10:54] <NothingButYou> and.. since you're new.. to linux ? right?
[10:55] <Chislon> yes
[10:55] <NothingButYou> do you know what type of linux partition you prefer or ? :)
[10:55] <Chislon> nope
[10:55] <Chislon> is that reffering to ext2/3? or if not then i dont knwo what thtat means
[10:55] <NothingButYou> well ext3 or reiserfs. I prefer reiser
[10:56] <Chislon> i dont know what the idfference is
[10:56] <NothingButYou> Tm_T is / on reiser and /home on ext3 good choice?
[10:56] <NothingButYou> I mean.. you can access ext3 just fine from windoze...
[10:58] <NothingButYou> Chislon - ext2 is bad because in case of system failure it should be .. checked.. (ScanDisk remember?)
[10:58] <NothingButYou> ext3 and reiserfs does not have to
[10:58] <NothingButYou> reiserfs is better cause of a little more speed
[10:58] <Chislon> oh
[10:59] <Chislon> will the ubuntu install ask me which i want?
[10:59] <NothingButYou> ext3 is accessed from windows easy :)
[10:59] <NothingButYou> yes
[10:59] <Chislon> oh ok
[10:59] <NothingButYou> try / on reiser and /home on ext3 :)
[10:59] <Chislon> ok i might try to get a little more info on them first or ask some others also, just to see if thats ok
[11:00] <NothingButYou> well for me this choice works just fine, no problems at all :)
[11:00] <Tm_T> NothingButYou: I use only ext3, reiserfs have some bugs (our main servers fileserver went down week ago because it)
[11:00] <NothingButYou> ok, then choose ext3 :)
[11:00] <Chislon> ok
[11:00] <Chislon> thank you
[11:01] <Tm_T> yeah
[11:01] <Chislon> do i set up all my partitions before running the ubuntu install
[11:01] <NothingButYou> yes
[11:01] <Chislon> or do i just shrink my windows one and then let the ubuntu install do the rest
[11:01] <Tm_T> ok, but I gotta go ->
[11:01] <NothingButYou> cya Tm_T:)
[11:01] <NothingButYou> Chislon: 
[11:01] <Chislon> by Tm_T and thank you for your help
[11:02] <NothingButYou> mm... you'd better shrink it before you do an install
[11:02] <Chislon> but do i set up the others too
[11:02] <NothingButYou> no
[11:02] <Chislon> ok
[11:02] <Chislon> thank you
[11:02] <NothingButYou> shrinking will delete the rest of your HDD and leave space for Ubuntu to work on :)
[11:02] <Chislon> ok kool
[11:03] <Chislon> thank you for your help
[11:03] <NothingButYou> am..
[11:03] <Chislon> im gonna go resize and then possibly install or go to bed heh heh
[11:03] <NothingButYou> what are you going to shrink it with? :)
[11:03] <Chislon> partition manager, cuz im not gonna payh for a prog
[11:04] <NothingButYou> erm.. the other choice is LiveCD with QTParted (Knoppix)
[11:04] <NothingButYou> but .. you know better :}
[11:04] <_Church_of_FoamY> i am so getting one of those
[11:04] <Chislon> i think i heard that doing it not from windows could have problems
[11:04] <scanwinder> i just got apollon working........but no icons are showing in it.......any idea why?
[11:05] <NothingButYou> emm.. ok, do it from windows :}
[11:06] <NothingButYou> scanwinder: from source or from kynaptic?
[11:06] <scanwinder> kynaptic
[11:06] <Chislon> ok thank you for your help gonna go try^^
[11:07] <NothingButYou> scanwinder: I've got no idea, haven't used it
[11:07] <scanwinder> infact icons in other things arent working in other things either,......im gunna reboot lol
[11:08] <_Church_of_FoamY> does linux have a popup blocker yet?
[11:08] <NothingButYou> do you have firefox installed...
[11:08] <_Church_of_FoamY> yea but there are popups getting through
[11:09] <Chislon> anyone here that knows about windows?
[11:09] <NothingButYou> hehe Chislon 
[11:10] <NothingButYou> I don't think you can resize from it's manager..
[11:10] <Chislon> currently i have my windows partition, then after it there is about 8mb of "free space" when i shrink windows to make room for ubuntu, then that free sapce becomes bigger, but that 8 mb of freespace is neccesary info for windows to start... so how do i keep that and not have ubuntu mess it up?
[11:10] <Chislon> heh heh its a program called partition manager
[11:10] <Chislon> Paragon Partition manager
[11:10] <NothingButYou> am.. yea
[11:10] <Chislon> am?
[11:11] <NothingButYou> heh I'm excited :p
[11:11] <Chislon> why
[11:11] <Chameleon22> i have noticed that after I lock the screen and live my machine unattended for a while it logs me out... is there a reason to that. Its freaking annoying! 
[11:13] <NothingButYou> it should not do that..
[11:14] <NothingButYou> mayb X is crashing..
[11:14] <Chameleon22> hrrmm
[11:15] <Chameleon22> i have noticed konquerer crashing quiet often after KDE libs update was issued a month or so ago 
[11:15] <NothingButYou> upgrade to 3.4.1 
[11:15] <NothingButYou> see the topic
[11:16] <Chameleon22> NothingButYou:  is that it ?>>> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main
[11:17] <NothingButYou> yes
[11:17] <Chameleon22> NothingButYou: okies will do, thanx for the tip... i should really read the topics lol
[11:18] <NothingButYou> :}
[11:19] <Chameleon22> NothingButYou: fuck me, need like 100+MB bah !
[11:20] <NothingButYou> erm.. that's for upgrading
[11:20] <Chameleon22> seems like it 
[11:20] <Chameleon22> then getting ... "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!"
[11:20] <Chameleon22> so hit No 
[11:20] <Chameleon22> hrmmm
[11:21] <NothingButYou> am... no need to "no" :)
[11:21] <NothingButYou> they're safe :)
[11:21] <Chameleon22> why couldnt it auth the pkg?
[11:21] <Chameleon22> oh god my grammar is horroble
[11:21] <NothingButYou> np :}
[11:21] <Chameleon22> lol
[11:22] <Chameleon22> np if i didnt live in an english speaking country lol
[11:22] <Chameleon22> but i do
[11:22] <Chameleon22> thats what happens when you code all day 
[11:22] <NothingButYou> well.. there's a gpg key.. but .. there packages are not in the official repository I guess something like that :)
[11:22] <Chameleon22> forget real english
[11:22] <NothingButYou> Chameleon22: go get some lessons :p
[11:22] <Chameleon22> NothingButYou: oh well will give it a go 
[11:22] <Chameleon22> i dont want lessons
[11:24] <NothingButYou> then communicate! :)
[11:24] <Chameleon22> and what am i doing now 
[11:24] <Chameleon22> ?
[11:24] <Chameleon22> Tzu lost ... breaks out in tears 
[11:25] <Chameleon22> :'(
[11:25] <NothingButYou> hehe not with me :))) my english is bad :p
[11:25] <NothingButYou> but I've got an excuse :)
[11:25] <Chameleon22> where are you from?
[11:25] <NothingButYou> Bulgaria :)
[11:25] <Chameleon22> well i also have an excuse but its not good enough hehe
[11:25] <Chameleon22> ohh i been to Sofia about 12 years ago 
[11:25] <Chameleon22> :)
[11:26] <Chameleon22> i mean i traveled there lol
[11:26] <NothingButYou> hehe :) 
[11:26] <NothingButYou> it's the same dirty ol' town...
[11:27] <Chameleon22> i liked it 
[11:27] <NothingButYou> I don't :)
[11:27] <Chameleon22> well whos problem is that 
[11:28] <NothingButYou> mine, cause I can't be the mayor and clean it up! :)
[11:28] <Chameleon22> why not
[11:28] <NothingButYou> "mayor" was the chief of a town right?
[11:29] <Chameleon22> right
[11:29] <NothingButYou> mm.. hehe 
[11:29] <Chameleon22> why not?
[11:29] <NothingButYou> cause nobody will choose me :) 
[11:29] <Chameleon22> so make them choose you
[11:29] <NothingButYou> here you can only make people choose you if you've got money and power :)
[11:30] <NothingButYou> well I don't :}
[11:30] <NothingButYou> have
[11:30] <NothingButYou> :}
[11:30] <Chameleon22> why not 
[11:30] <NothingButYou> after 30 years of programming I'll try :)
[11:31] <Chameleon22> why not now
[11:31] <NothingButYou> no money, no power:) no will.. :)
[11:31] <Chameleon22> why not
[11:31] <NothingButYou> hate politics :)
[11:31] <Chameleon22> why 
[11:31] <laser_tk> :D
[11:32] <NothingButYou> stop that! :)
[11:32] <NothingButYou> just install KDE 3.4.1 ;P
[11:33] <NothingButYou> I prefer messing with PC's than with too-much-knowledged people around in this town:)
[11:38] <_Church_of_FoamY> pc's are nicer than most people i know
[11:38] <_Church_of_FoamY> O_o
[11:39] <_Church_of_FoamY> except when you blow your vid card like my box did this morning
[11:39] <NothingButYou> yes. they do what you tell them :)
[11:39] <Choubaka> ... in most cases.
[11:39] <_Church_of_FoamY> :::nods:::
[11:39] <NothingButYou> in all cases! :)
[11:39] <Choubaka> I told my computer to start mplayer.
[11:39] <Choubaka> instead, it froze!
[11:39] <_Church_of_FoamY> second vid card this week
[11:40] <buz> i think the kde3.4.1 somehow fucked up kpdf
[11:40] <NothingButYou> well it tried to start it though :)
[11:40] <Choubaka> but it didn't succeed.
[11:40] <buz> some fonts display their characters much too close
[11:40] <Choubaka> :(
[11:40] <buz> printing is ok, though
[11:40] <NothingButYou> Choubaka: bad mplayer, bad, bad, sit down
[11:41] <Choubaka> My point is, bad hardware causes trouble.
[11:41] <Choubaka> So instead of working properly, your computer might do something else
[11:41] <_Church_of_FoamY> yup
[11:41] <_Church_of_FoamY> lke when yo blow 2 vidcards in a week :(
[11:41] <Choubaka> This is why I'm going to get an iBook soon :P
[11:42] <buz> u sure your psu isnt broken
[11:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> how does the ibook run kubuntu?
[11:42] <buz> yes
[11:42] <buz> only wlan doesnt have any drivers
[11:42] <Choubaka> I don't think I'm going to run Ubuntu on the iBook though.
[11:42] <buz> mhh some do
[11:43] <buz> osx is pretty but somewhat stubborn
[11:43] <_Church_of_FoamY> i wanna get point2play
[11:43] <buz> if you dont like its ways, tough luck
[11:43] <_Church_of_FoamY> to run my games
[11:43] <Choubaka> Ubuntu is my choice for PC machines.
[11:43] <Choubaka> But soon I won't have any :/
[11:43] <scanwinder> all my desktop icons are all chunky and some icons in various programs arent showing up...........is there a package that deals with that??
[11:44] <Choubaka> Except if I keep this crappy half-working one as a fileserver.
[11:44] <_Church_of_FoamY> anyone know when point2play is gonna use paypal?
[11:45] <_Church_of_FoamY> because all they take right now are credit cards and debit cards and i have niether
[11:46] <Chislon> ok
[11:46] <Chislon> i cant get a free windows partitioner...
[11:46] <Chislon> how do i resize my windwos drive?
[11:46] <Choubaka> NTFS? :P
[11:46] <Chislon> yes
[11:46] <Choubaka> Hm
[11:46] <Choubaka> I guess there's ntfsresize
[11:46] <Choubaka> google for it
[11:47] <Chislon> ok, and thats something that has to be run from linux right? so how do i do that from a live cd?
[11:47] <scanwinder> bootit NG is a good partitioner,u can resize partitions with that
[11:47] <scanwinder> and its free
[11:48] <Chislon> can i run it in windows?
[11:49] <scanwinder> not in
[11:49] <scanwinder> it boots off a floppy
[11:50] <scanwinder> but it can resize ntfs and fat partitions
[11:50] <Chislon> ok, thank you
[11:50] <Chislon> someone said they think ubuntu's installer can do it?
[11:51] <Choubaka> dunno.
[11:51] <Chislon> heh eh maybe ill try..
[11:51] <shogouki> you can try qtparted
[11:51] <shogouki> hum qparted
[11:51] <shogouki> but i dont know how it deals with ntfs
[11:51] <Chislon> ok...
[11:52] <Chislon> scanwinder, do you know if bootit ng preserves content?
[11:52] <scanwinder> yeh it does
[11:52] <scanwinder> its the best partitioner ive come across, its great
[11:52] <Chislon> ok, kool... so well i dont have a floppy drive
[11:52] <scanwinder> oh.......mayb u can do it off a cd
[11:53] <shogouki> do a backup before
[11:53] <Chislon> how long is it free for?
[11:53] <scanwinder> look around the site www.terabyteunlimited.com
[11:53] <Chislon> i just bakc up the files i need to be able to have right
[11:53] <scanwinder> um the partitioning bit of it is free..completely
[11:53] <Chislon> scanwinder, oh, well cuz at it it says purchase?
[11:53] <scanwinder> thats the bootloader thing in it
[11:54] <Chislon> ok..
[11:54] <scanwinder> http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/downloads/bootitng.zip
[11:54] <Chislon> thank you
[11:55] <scanwinder> is there a package in kde that deals with icons and stuff?? coz i installed apollon and now a whole lot of my icons dont appear.........was thinking it mite b 1 of the packages it uninstalled..........
[11:56] <scanwinder> and my desktop icons are now all chunky
[11:57] <Chislon> scanwinder, kool it should work from cd, thank you
[11:57] <scanwinder> if u use bootit ng, dont install the bootloader thing when it boots off it..........
[11:58] <scanwinder> just click no or sumthin and go into maintanance mode
[12:01] <Chislon> ok
[12:01] <Chislon> thank you
[12:02] <NothingButYou> scanwinder: there is kde-icons...
[12:02] <_Church_of_FoamY> wow bittoreent is faster on linux than windows
[12:02] <shogouki`work> ...
[12:02] <scanwinder> oh ok, thanks
[12:03] <Choubaka> Interesting. :D
[12:03] <NothingButYou> scanwinder: there is kde-artwork-icons
[12:03] <NothingButYou> :}
[12:03] <shogouki`work> enl@rge your donwload
[12:03] <NothingButYou> dunno which of these is installed..
[12:03] <NothingButYou> hahahah
[12:04] <_Church_of_FoamY> i don't think my speed can get any faster t3 on bittoreent
[12:04] <_Church_of_FoamY> me downloady very fast
[12:11] <MoreFX> hi, I noticed a problem with the default config of xorg and hope to  save others some trouble:
[12:11] <MoreFX> I installed Ubunto um a laptop with the ati igp 320 
[12:11] <scanwinder> nar neither kde-icon or kde-artwork-icons fixed the prob
[12:11] <MoreFX> xopg uses the ati driver for graphic
[12:11] <scanwinder> even the checkboxes in kynaptic dont show up
[12:12] <MoreFX> with the igp 320 it crashes compleatly which is very frustrating because you never get to the end of the instalation :-(
[12:13] <MoreFX> changing to the default vesa-driver fixes the problem.
[12:13] <MoreFX> maybe it would be saver to have Ubuntu use the default driver for instalation ;-)
[12:16] <scanwinder> what package would have the checkboxes in kynaptic?
[12:16] <scanwinder> and the icons in apollon?
[12:49] (mikl/#kubuntu) scanwinder: sounds like you have some kind of breakage
[12:49] (scanwinder/#kubuntu) and what should i do 2 fix this "breakage"
[12:50] <mikl> you could start by apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[12:54] <scanwinder> when i do that, its saying at the end E: could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[12:54] <scanwinder> E: unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[12:54] <scanwinder> ....but i put sudo infront.....i typed sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[12:54] <Tm_T> shut synaptic/kynaptic
[12:54] <scanwinder> its not open
[12:57] <Dreumah> hi
[12:57] <Dreumah> my kvirc keeps crashing on me
[12:59] <Tm_T> scanwinder: are you sure?
[12:59] <Tm_T> scanwinder: kpackage?
[01:00] <Tm_T> any other "package manager" ?
[01:00] <scanwinder> nope
[01:00] <scanwinder> ill try it again
[01:00] <scanwinder> still not working
[01:01] <scanwinder> sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade should do it right?
[01:02] <scanwinder> non of the pictures on the buttons in kaffeine show up either
[01:07] <scanwinder> do u think its sumthin 2do with libpng??
[01:16] <Dreumah> hello i have a dependency issue and i dont know what to do
[01:26] <scanwinder> i still have no icons and stuff like in Kaffeine, on the buttons, none of the pics r on them..........i think i updated libpng or sumthin...........can sum1 pleassse help me fix it
[01:35] <Mez> hmm
[01:35] <Mez> I dnt seemt o get kaffeine to play a DVD
[01:36] <scanwinder> do u hav libdvdcss installed?
[01:36] <Mez> xine: cannot find input plugin for MRL [dvd:/] 
[01:36] <Mez> xine: input plugin cannot open MRL [dvd:/] 
[01:36] <Mez> xine: found input plugin : DVD Navigator
[01:36] <Mez> >>> Check if another program already uses PCM <<<
[01:36] <Mez> snd_pcm_open() failed:-16:Device or resource busy
[01:37] <Mez> I just sintalled libdvdcss btw
[01:38] <scanwinder> i really hav no idea lol.......im kinda a noob
[02:06] <scanwinder> when i play dvd's with kaffeine, they always jerk and stuff, any1 know why that would b?
[02:07] <Tm_T> it's buggy kaffeine
[02:09] <laser_tk> use mplayer or ogle play dvd's
[02:22] <Chislon_> hi, anyone here who can help me? i just finished the ubuntu install, durin git it asked me for a username, then a username with lowercase, then a password, the first username i made shows up in the right corner of the login in screen after it is // then the day and time, possibly date.... what are the two different user names? arnt i supposed to have a root one and a normal user one so i dont mess things up?
[02:23] <shogouki`work> there's no root account in ubuntu
[02:23] <segfault2k> ubuntu by default doesnt create a root account
[02:23] <segfault2k> but you can activate it
[02:23] <segfault2k> sudo passwd
[02:23] <segfault2k> :D
[02:23] <Chislon_> ok, well i dont know much about linux...
[02:23] <Chislon_> but i didnt make a passwd for it?
[02:23] <Chislon_> what then is the first name i entered?
[02:23] <Chislon_> and... dont u need a root account?
[02:23] <Chislon_> or how does it work now like this?
[02:24] <Chislon_> and if i wanted to add another user could i?
[02:24] <Chislon_> i dont want to but just wondering if its possible
[02:24] <shogouki`work> yes
[02:24] <shogouki`work> sudo kuser
[02:25] <Chislon_> ?
[02:25] <Chislon_> sorry but can you explain please
[02:26] <astro76> Chislon_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:26] <Chislon_> thank you
[02:27] <Chislon_> so with this set up, any user can have full root ability just by using sudo?
[02:28] <Chislon_> lol sorry
[02:28] <Chislon_> didnt read far enough
[02:28] <Chislon_> but as part of the admin group i can do anything the root user would be able to by using sudo?
[02:29] <astro76> basically
[02:29] <Chislon_> ok, so what then was the first name i enetered before i did my unsername?
[02:29] <\sh> Riddell: package-name: kubuntu-helpers, is it ok for u? 
[02:30] <Riddell> \sh: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts?
[02:30] <Chislon_> astro76, im a bit confused, it says that anyone made after the initial user is by default not in the admin group(to my understanding meaning cant do sudo to be root like ) but then it says all ubuntu users should use sudo... ? can u please help me understand
[02:32] <Riddell> Chislon_: you should add them to the 'admin' group if you want then to be able to sudo
[02:33] <Chislon_> Riddell, ok thank you, can you tell me during the install what the first name i entered was, as the second name is my username, and had to be all lowercase right? and then then it asked for the password for that user... but what was the first name i entered?
[02:33] <Riddell> Chislon_: it's the "full name field" which you can find in /etc/passwd  it isn't much used
[02:34] <Chislon_> Riddell, i dont really know what that means i guess, what kind of things is it used for? and besides that it just gets displayed in the right corner of the login screen? is there a reason for this?
[02:35] <Riddell> Chislon_: maybe you're thinking of the computer name
[02:36] <Riddell> all computers have to have a name
[02:36] <\sh> Riddell: k
[02:36] <Chislon_> well it asked me for a computer name, which it default put as ubuntu, then it asked for another name at some point, directly after which it said it needed another name in all lowercase and numbers, afterwhich it asked for a password
[02:37] <Riddell> Chislon_: yeah, that's the full name of the user
[02:38] <Chislon_> so how does that work then? i dont get it i guess? and why is that then displayed in the lowerright corner of the login screen, i mean what if there were more then one users, it would still display my user full name in the right hand corner of the login screen?
[02:38] <Chislon_> what does the full name of hte user do
[02:38] <Chislon_> or how is it used
[02:39] <Riddell> Chislon_: it doesn't do very much, it's just incase you forget who the user is
[02:39] <mrmanic> I believe it's also used by kontact to fill in user info, but I could be wrong.
[02:39] <Chislon_> i dont understand, the user is different then the person signed in, the user is always that name i put, even if i make another login name for someone else?
[02:39] <Riddell> sounds about right
[02:40] <markc> can anyone point to any kubuntu amd64 info, howtos, docs ?
[02:40] <Tm_T> hullo Riddell 
[02:41] <KaiL> markc: are you searching something specific?
[02:42] <markc> KaiL> yes, but anything amd64 related with kubuntu would be useful to know about, espeically about install skype and other 32bit apps and workaround
[02:42] <Riddell> Chislon_: the machine has user accounts set up.  they have user names (mine it set to jr) that you use to log in with, and full names (mine is set to Jonathan Riddell).  the full name isn't much used but as mrmanic says Kontact will take it as the default for who you are
[02:43] <markc> KaiL> skype almost seems to work ( the static tarball) but there are 3 missing 32 bit libs
[02:43] <Chislon_> but if you make a username for your friend bob, his user name is bob, do you set up a full name for him? and if so then when does the name that appears in the lower right corner of the log screen change? or, is that the comptuer name? that shows there?
[02:43] <KaiL> Riddell: it's also used for the realname field in konversation ;)
[02:43] <KaiL> Chislon_: that's the computer name
[02:49] <markc> is cinelera available for kubuntu ?
[02:49] <error403> anybody here tried Sarge yet?
[02:50] <error403> i know, offtopic right
[02:50] <error403> ?
[02:50] <Chislon_> KaiL, ok thank you
[02:50] <Chislon_> and Riddell thank you for your help :)
[02:50] <Chislon_> what is SArge?
[02:51] <mrmanic> Chislon_: the latest stable release of debian
[02:51] <Chislon_> oh
[02:51] <Chislon_> thank you
[02:51] <mrmanic> Chislon_: debian is the distro that k/ubuntu is based on.
[02:51] <Chislon_> so sarge then isnt incorporated into k/ubuntu?
[02:52] <Tm_T> nope
[02:52] <mrmanic> no
[02:52] <mikl> Some package installed the helvetica-font on my old system - but I cannot find out which one it was...
[02:52] <Chislon_> ok thank you
[02:52] <Tm_T> error403: yet?!
[02:52] <Tm_T> error403: you scared me!
[02:53] <Tm_T> I thought I missed the release
[02:53] <mrmanic> Tm_T: I thought it got released finally.
[02:55] <mrmanic> no, maybe not :\
[02:56] <markc> mikl> most likely xfonts-100dpi and xfonts-75dpi
[02:57] <markc> any amd64 users hereabouts ?
[02:57] <segfault2k> how can i bold text in bash=
[03:00] <mikl> markc: no, that's not those - I have them already :(
[03:01] <markc> mikl> dpkg -L `dpkg --get-selections | grep font | awk '{print $1}'` | grep -i helv 
[03:01] <markc> mikl> might help
[03:02] <Tm_T> mrmanic: maybe?! no not yet, but I think this year ;--P
[03:03] <mrmanic> Tm_T: it was due to be released today.
[03:03] <Tm_T> mrmanic: so? it's debian ;)
[03:03] <mrmanic> ;)
[03:03] <error403> lol
[03:04] <error403> i got the RC3 netinstall
[03:04] <error403> couldnt be bothered to wait...
[03:04] <error403> lol
[03:04] <Riddell> ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists stable still points to woody
[03:05] <Tm_T> yeah
[03:05] <error403> yeah
[03:05] <Tm_T> and http://debian.org is "the truth"
[03:05] <error403> i love 2Mb ADSL
[03:05] <error403> i can do a netinstall in 30 mins
[03:05] <error403> :D
[03:09] <Chislon_> ok so how do i install xfce
[03:11] <markc> Chislon_> apt-cache search xfce
[03:12] <markc> Chislon_> and obviously apt-get install whatever
[03:12] <Chislon_> whats apt-cache search xfce do, as it didnt seem to do anything? well i did it for xfce4 as im told thats what i want
[03:12] <Chislon_> doing apt-get install xfce4 couldnt find xfce4
[03:13] <markc> Chislon_> have a look at the list of debs returned with apt-cache search and chose some likely candidates to install, dependencies will most likely fall in place
[03:14] <Chislon_> what does debs mean
[03:14] <markc> Chislon_> some-version.deb
[03:14] <Chislon_> and when i do apt-cache search xfce all it does is pause for a minute and then give me another cmmandpropt
[03:14] <Chislon_> er prompt
[03:15] <Chislon_> do i need to sudo?
[03:15] <KaiL> Chislon_: you need to enable universe in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:15] <KaiL> and then install xfce4.
[03:15] <markc> Chislon_> hmm, I get a list of 66 packages, all most likely to do with xfce
[03:15] <Chislon_> ok... well where do i go to like learn all this stuff...
[03:15] <Chislon_> how is the best way to start learning this all
[03:16] <Chislon_> seems very complex
[03:16] <markc> Chislon_> http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html
[03:16] <Chislon_> thank you
[03:16] <Chislon_> and how do i set my homepage to something else in ff
[03:16] <markc> Chislon_> there are a few places, http://ubuntuforums.org/ is another good one
[03:17] <Chislon_> and i acutally use ubuntu, but is tha tlink still good? it sjust that the more people help me in kubuntu then in ubuntu, and i think i wasn tto use xfce really
[03:17] <markc> Chislon_> edit -> preferences
[03:17] <Dreumah> how would i upgrade my kvirc
[03:17] <Dreumah> ?
[03:18] <Chislon_> markc, thank you
[03:20] <Chislon_> markc, that kubntu page will still work fine if i dont have kde right
[03:21] <markc> Chislon_> a lot of the info is generic, so yes, it will still help... there are quite a few others, perhaps go to the forums and search for xcfe4
[03:22] <markc> Chislon_> even googling for "ubuntu xfce4" might be useful... although I have no idea why you would not want to use KDE
[03:23] <Dreumah> hey how would i upgrae my kvirc
[03:23] <Dreumah> ?
[03:23] <morten> Yaw
[03:23] <Dreumah> if its not in the repo
[03:23] <Chislon_> markc, i like the way xfce4 looks, plus i dont wnat to use kde office stuff
[03:23] <Chislon_> and browser
[03:24] <markc> Dreumah> seems like you need to add universe to your sourceslist
[03:24] <markc> Chislon_> well you don't have to install koffice and you can ignore konqueror, it's a damn file file browser anyway
[03:24] <Dreumah> does that have kvirc 3.2??
[03:24] <Chislon_> markc, i think i prefer KDE to Gnome, but, i was suggeswted to install Gnome since i felt i wanted to use open office and fire fox, i know i want to use firefox and thunderbird, openoffice doesnt matter much, its just that thats hwat i have on windows
[03:25] <Chislon_> what do you mean its a file file browser
[03:26] <mrmanic> Chislon_: that looks like a typographical error.
[03:26] <markc> Dreumah> looks like it's Version: 2:2.1.3.1-2
[03:27] <markc> Chislon_> you can still use those apps under KDE
[03:27] <Chislon_> oh
[03:27] <Chislon_> well i jsut installed ubuntu... do i need to instead go an install kubuntu?
[03:27] <Chislon_> is there a difference between gnome and kde besides looks?
[03:28] <Chislon_> xfce tho is more gnome like right? so if i want xfce id want to just keep ubuntu?
[03:28] <markc> Chislon_> no, just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:28] <KaiL> kde: very much features, look&feel similar to Windows
[03:29] <markc> Chislon_> I have never done that so I can only suggest it probably works okay
[03:29] <KaiL> gnome: has lost a lot of features since 1.4 days, look&feel similar to MacOS
[03:29] <error403> never ceases to amaze me, some of the package names.... like 'kitchensync'
[03:29] <error403> lol
[03:29] <Chislon_> oh
[03:29] <mrmanic> kitchensync is pretty cool
[03:29] <Chislon_> well and how does xfce compare?
[03:29] <KaiL> xfce: very fast, look&feel similar to traditional Unix desktops like CDE
[03:30] <mrmanic> I only wish the pocketpc konnector supported my phoen
[03:30] <mrmanic> er, phone
[03:30] <Chislon_> i did the ubuntu livecd which had gnome, then did freesbie which had xfce, i liked xfce alot better
[03:30] <error403> ARGH!
[03:30] <error403> dammit....
[03:30] <KaiL> ?
[03:31] <error403> Sarge starting on a 2.4 kernel
[03:31] <markc>  me shakes my head
[03:31] <KaiL> 2.4?
[03:31] <KaiL> no?
[03:31] <KaiL> and I wanted to ask, if they install udev as default - this should answer that question....
[03:32] <Dreumah> how do i install deb package that i downloaded?
[03:32] <KaiL> dpkg -i <file>
[03:32] <snowseal> how would i disable konqeror as default web-brwoser?
[03:33] <markc> snowseal> just don't use it :)
[03:34] <markc> snowseal> from what other application(s) ?
[03:34] <dreumah> so how do i install a deb package i downloaded?
[03:34] <RetroMan> dpkg
[03:34] <snowseal> mark gaim
[03:34] <markc> KaiL said dpkg -i file.deb
[03:34] <RetroMan> sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[03:35] <markc> snowseal> surely gaim has a config option for it's default browser ?
[03:35] <snowseal> markc: with all the apps it seems. Konversation too
 how would i disable konqeror as default web-brwoser? << wrong question. Would be "how would I set xyz as default web-browser?"
[03:35] <Chislon_> KaiL, i like that xfce is very fast
[03:36] <Chislon_> KaiL, but coming from windows would it be better to start on kde?
[03:36] <snowseal> KaiL:  would you know?
[03:36] <KaiL> snowseal: you mean for use in kde?
[03:36] <markc> snowseal> I think most apps have their own default browser settings, I don't think there is a global desktop wide default
[03:36] <snowseal> KaiL: yes, i prefer firefox
[03:36] <snowseal> oh. k
[03:36] <KaiL> Chislon_: well, I'd always prefer kde, not only for new users :)
[03:37] <RetroMan> kde rocks
[03:37] <Chislon_> why do you prefer kde over xfce?
[03:37] <markc> KaiL> and for old and experienced users too !
[03:37] <RetroMan> because kde's hotter
[03:37] <KaiL> snowseal: there's a global one for KDE: kontrolcenter -> kde components -> konponent selection -> web browser
[03:38] <KaiL> Chislon_: more integrated apps and so on
[03:38] <markc> KaiL> yes but only a few KDE apps actually use that setting, gaim and such don't
[03:38] <Chislon_> well like what all, how does that work, what does that fully mean?
[03:38] <KaiL> markc: gaim isn't KDE ;)
[03:38] <RetroMan> gaim is gnome
[03:39] <Tm_T> nah
[03:39] <Tm_T> gaim is gtk
[03:39] <markc> KaiL> that's what I mean, Chislon_> asked about a default browser for gaim, for instance
[03:39] <RetroMan> well, ya
[03:39] <Tm_T> yeah, anf gaim have its own "browser settings"
[03:40] <Tm_T> s/anf/and
[03:40] <snowseal> KaiL: yay, that worked. nice
[03:40] <KaiL> Chislon_: for you can use the kio functions in all apps - to save a file from an email directly to fish:/user@host:/path (=my webserver) is really nice ;)
[03:40] <Chislon_> i asked about a default browser for gaim?
[03:40] <mrmanic> Chislon_: kde has some really nice features, the greatest of which, IMO, is kioslaves.
[03:41] <Chislon_> KaiL, i dont know what what you just said means
[03:41] <Chislon_> i dont know what any of it means lol
[03:41] <markc> totally agree about kioslaves, better than win/mac
[03:41] <mrmanic> Chislon_: kioslaves allow you to access remote filesystems as local filesystems without mounting
[03:41] <Tm_T> I don't use them
[03:42] <KaiL> Chislon_: you can directly save from _every_ KDE file dialog over ssh to a remote server (and other such funktions)
[03:42] <Tm_T> I use sshfs
[03:42] <Chislon_> ok
[03:42] <mrmanic> Chislon_: also they allow you to dig into archive files in order to access files within those.
[03:42] <mrmanic> Chislon_: all from konquerer or any kde-based program
[03:42] <markc> Chislon_: as an example, you can use an editor (like kate) to edit a remote web page without having to use ftp to upload it all the time, same thing from nearly any kde app
[03:42] <Chislon_> can kde run all the same stuff gnome does?
[03:43] <KaiL> you can run every app on every desktop
[03:43] <Tm_T> markc: as an example I can't use gimp that way, that's why sshfs is just better ;)
[03:43] <markc> Chislon_> gnome and kde apps can coexist quite happily
[03:43] <Chislon_> ok
[03:44] <Tm_T> Chislon_: I use Gaim, Firefox, Thunderbird, Gimp etc etc in my KDE desktop
[03:44] <Chislon_> so how do i uninstall gnome and install kde, and uninstall the gnome apps i dont want, and install the kde ones i want
[03:44] <Chislon_> Tm_T, i want to use those progs
[03:44] <Tm_T> yeah, I bet
[03:44] <Chislon_> well i dont know what the other Gaim is like
[03:44] <Chislon_> er what kde's gaim like thing is
[03:44] <markc> Chislon_> just "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[03:44] <Chislon_> but i want ff, thunderbird, gimp
[03:45] <Chislon_> i have to do sudo tho right?
[03:45] <markc> Chislon_> if you already have them onboard they'll probably still be there after kde is also installed
[03:45] <mrmanic> kopete is a little buggy still
[03:45] <Chislon_> markc, i dunno what that means, onboard? u mean if htey are already on my comp they will still be there?
[03:45] <Chislon_> whats kopete
[03:45] <markc> Chislon_> ah, yeah, I keep forgetting about sudo... I just do a sudo -i once in a shell and lose all sudoness
[03:45] <Chislon_> ok
[03:46] <mrmanic> Chislon_: kopete is the kde chat client.
[03:46] <KaiL> Chislon_: IM client and known as one of the most unstable KDE apps
[03:46] <Firetech> mrmanic: kopete isn't buggy if you enable hoary-updates in sources.list...
[03:46] <Chislon_> what.. what disc does it want me to put in my drive?? the install disk
[03:46] <markc> Chislon_> onboard is slang for "already installed"
[03:46] <Chislon_> ?
[03:46] <Chislon_> ok
[03:46] <mrmanic> Firetech: that's actually false.  I'll agree that it's not AS buggy, though.
[03:47] <Firetech> I use it, I don't find it buggy, nor unstable.
[03:47] <mrmanic> it still crashes when I do some things.
[03:47] <Chislon_> why does it need an ubuntu disk, img uessing its the install disc? i threw it away, i can get it, but do i need to keep it around?
[03:47] <mrmanic> Chislon_: you probably need to update your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[03:47] <Firetech> although, I use 0.10.2 (KDE 3.4.1)
[03:47] <Chislon_> lol
[03:47] <kucing_sampah> test
[03:47] <markc> Chislon_> if you have your /etc/apt/sources.list file setup right then you can just apt-get everything off the net
[03:47] <mrmanic> Firetech: I also use that.
[03:48] <Chislon_> ok... so should i put my cd in now tho for this
[03:48] <Firetech> mrmanic: what is wrong then?
[03:48] <markc> Chislon_> if it's an ubuntu CD then it won't have any kde packages on it
[03:48] <Firetech> It works fine for me with MSN, ICQ and Jabber
[03:48] <dreumah> hello, i am trying to get the kvirc on my amd64 kubuntu, is there a package, can it be done?
[03:48] <Chislon_> like while its doing that i can do whatever right? well it asked for ti.. lol
[03:49] <mrmanic> Firetech: when I remove contacts from my contact list and re-add them in another group, it crashes
[03:49] <markc> Chislon_> you will need to get 100mb to 200mb of packages though
[03:49] <Chislon_> so what do i do, its loading that stuff righ tnow?
[03:49] <Chislon_> fromt he cd whatever its loading
[03:49] <Firetech> mrmanic: well, I don't use groups...
[03:50] <mrmanic> Firetech: with some contacts in AIM, I don't get any messages that they send me.
[03:50] <mrmanic> Firetech: I end up having to delete them and re-add them to my contact list
[03:50] <Firetech> I don't use AIM, noone I know uses it.
[03:50] <mrmanic> which ends up crashing kopete
[03:50] <markc> dreumah> apt-cache show kvirc <- mine says amd64
[03:50] <mrmanic> :\
[03:50] <dreumah> but that isnt the latest
[03:51] <mrmanic> dreumah: have you tried an apt-get update?
[03:51] <dreumah> i want 3.2 on the repo it is 2.7something
[03:51] <markc> dreumah> kvirc 3.2 may simply not be availoable as a kubuntu deb yet
[03:51] <Firetech> mrmanic and markc: the kvirc in universe is pretty much outdated
[03:51] <Chameleon22> are there any packages for php-gtk so i dont have to build it from source?
[03:51] <mrmanic> ah
[03:52] <dreumah> how about just kvirc 3
[03:52] <Firetech> dreumah: I use kvirc 3.2.0, i386, though...
[03:52] <dreumah> damn
[03:52] <Firetech> why not make a 32-bit chroot?
[03:52] <dreumah> sometimes i hate being special
[03:52] <dreumah> huh?
[03:53] <Firetech> 2 sec
[03:53] <dreumah> what do i do?
[03:53] <markc> Firetech> is their a ubuntu howto for that somewhere ?
[03:54] <Firetech> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[03:54] <markc> Firetech> cool, thanks
[03:55] <Chislon_> why does it say kdm not kde?
[03:55] <markc> I'm on the verge of moving back to gentoo... I didn't realise how well advanced their amd64 bit situation was... is
[03:55] <markc> Chislon_> kdm is just the login manager
[03:56] <dreumah> is gentoo an easy install?
[03:56] <Firetech> that guide covers how to make /usr/bin symlinks so you can run synaptic32 in the normal environment and get 32-bit synaptic via the chroot
[03:56] <markc> dreumah> hmm, no, harder, everything has to be compiled from ssource
[03:56] <KaiL> dreumah: not really
[03:56] <Chislon_> ok, markc it seems to be doing kde fromt his cd alright so far??
[03:57] <KaiL> if installing ubuntu is to hard for you, get a toaster - Windows is harder
[03:57] <markc> Chislon_> well if it has KDE debs on it then go for it
[03:58] <Chislon_> i have no idea
[03:58] <Firetech> dreumah: gentoo's package system (portage/emerge) builds every package from source on your computer, which can take a LOT of time.
[03:58] <Chislon_> ok last thing it did was say setting up kubuntu-desktop and then it went back to the command promp, so didi it work? if so what do i do now
[03:59] <markc> Chislon_> dpkg --get-selections | grep kde ... and see if there are a heap of kde debs installed
[03:59] <Chislon_> dpkg?
[03:59] <Firetech> Chislon_: try logging out and choose KDE under "session"
[04:00] <Chislon_> Firetech, thanks
[04:00] <Chislon_> markc, how do i know if its a deb or not
[04:00] <Firetech> Chislon_: everything shown there are debs
[04:00] <markc> Chislon_> all te results of that dpkg command are "debs"
[04:01] <Chislon_> ok i have 29
[04:02] <markc> Chislon_> and does "which dpkg" return something ?
[04:02] <Chislon_> i type that in or?
[04:02] <Chameleon22> are there any packages for php-gtk so i dont have to build it from source?
[04:02] <Chislon_> /usr/bin/dpkg
[04:02] <markc> Chislon_> swipe it with your mouse and middle mouse button paste it into a shell
[04:03] <Chislon_> markc, oh kool
[04:03] <markc> Chislon_> sorry, I misread someone elses line
[04:03] <Chislon_> no problem
[04:03] <Chislon_> good tip to know
[04:04] <Chislon_> i think im just using Terminal, is this correct to do?
[04:04] <dreumah> i want kvirc for amd64
[04:04] <markc> Chislon_> it's ironic that a mouse is a shell users best friend :)
[04:04] <Chislon_> i finally won at four in a row
[04:04] <Chislon_> markc, heh heh
[04:04] <Chislon_> markc, so what do i do now?
[04:05] <markc> Chislon_> someone suggested logging out and with a bit of luck you'll get a login manager that allows you to select the kde desktop
[04:05] <Chislon_> ok
[04:05] <Chislon_> and then youc an tell me to do that stuff u were talking about where i wont need a cd and it updates it all?
[04:05] <Chislon_> i can safely throw this cd out now>
[04:05] <Chislon_> ?
[04:06] <markc> Chislon_> otherwise just quit out of X and change to your normal user then "start /usr/bin/startkde"
[04:06] <markc> startx /usr/bin/startkde
[04:06] <Chislon_> ya i dunno how to do that one, so ill try the other
[04:06] <Chislon_> oh
[04:06] <Chislon_> which should i do?
[04:07] <markc> Chislon_> try a "normal" logout first, then if that fails use control-alt-backspace to kill X and do the startx thing
[04:08] <markc>  <sigh> I must be bored
[04:10] <Chislon_> ok
[04:10] <Chislon_> i clicked kde, and i told it to set as default
[04:10] <Chislon_> am i a real kubuntu person now?^^
[04:10] <markc> Chislon_> well now you can ask real questions :)
[04:10] <error403> damn, anyoine know how i add my cedega installation to Point2Play?
[04:10] <Firetech> not really, I guess you're still using gdm as the login manager
[04:11] <Chislon_> heh heh ok, so i could say that i have kubuntu atleast right? :)
[04:11] <buz> does anybody know where to get all the classes for the lyx examples? they all seem to be missing
[04:11] <markc> Chislon_> ask some kde questions and we'll elt you know :)
[04:12] <Firetech> Chislon_: when you got the gdm or kdm question, which did you choose?
[04:12] <Chislon_> heh heh :)
[04:12] <mikl> is there a console command you can use to show messages on the desktop of a user logged on to the system?
[04:12] <Chislon_> Firetech, you mean when installing from the cd thing? i chose kdm, and when i went to my login screen it was the different colored background, but was set to Default, and i clicked kde, and it didnt change, but what is defautl? is that nothing?
[04:13] <Firetech> that's nothing
[04:13] <Firetech> did it say kubuntu?
[04:13] <Firetech> If so, then it was kdm
[04:14] <Chislon_> heh i dunno didnt notice brb
[04:14] <markc> mikl> you might be able to do a "w", see what tty device they are using and "echo something > /dev/tty" kinda thing
[04:15] <Chislon_> the login screen said ubuntu, the next screen said kubuntu
[04:16] <snowseal> can i detelte gdm from my package manager after isntalling all of kde?
[04:16] <mikl> snowseal: yes
[04:16] <Firetech> snowseal: absolutely.
[04:17] <Chislon_> Firetech, so what does that tell us or?
[04:17] <Firetech> Chislon_: press alt+F2, type in "konsole"
[04:17] <Chislon_> markc, can i throw the install cd away now, and how do i set that stuff up you were talking about for updating
[04:17] <Chislon_> Firetech, ok
[04:17] <Firetech> Chislon_:  then run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm" (without the quotes
[04:17] <snowseal> hmm all the gnome apps stop working if i do that?
[04:17] <Firetech> choose kdm and then enter
[04:17] <Chislon_> Firetech, what will that do
[04:17] <Chislon_> ok
[04:18] <markc> Chislon_> nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:18] <Firetech> choose kdm instead of gdm, which you're apparently using
[04:18] <djim> mikl: see if linpopup does what you need. Alternatively, ssh to their box and type: xmessage -display :0 "<Message goes here>"
[04:18] <Chislon_> Firetech, the middle button copy paste doenst work there?
[04:18] <Firetech> it should do
[04:19] <Firetech> snowseal: I haven't got gdm, yet I use gedit a lot :P
[04:19] <Chislon_> Firetech, it didnt seem to, and doing that it failed
[04:20] <Firetech> Chislon_: are you sure you chose kdm during the installation?
[04:20] <Chislon_> i cant get the middle button to copy paste
[04:20] <Chislon_> Firetech, the installation of what, i installed ubuntu, then markc  had me like install kubuntu-destop, and yes im sure i chose kdm
[04:20] <Firetech> you could try pressing both the other buttons on the mouse
[04:20] <Firetech> hmm
[04:21] <Firetech> then ignore what I said earlier and do this:
[04:21] <Chislon_> markc, do i do that in konsole?
[04:22] <Chislon_> ya both other buttons worked
[04:22] <Firetech> press ctrl+alt+F1 and login there (the password won't echo) > run "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" (this will kill your X session) > then run "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start"
[04:22] <markc> Chislon_> I was only going to suggest to add universe to your sources.list, then apt-get update again so you can get at other non-standard packages
[04:22] <Chislon_> marc, i did what you said before, now im at a page i dont know what to do, and can i throw my install cd awya now safely?
[04:22] <markc> Chislon_> so you don't need to do it, but yes, you would do so in konsole
[04:23] <Chislon_> Firetech, i did the comman markc said so ill have to wait till i figure htat out as its up right now
[04:23] <Chislon_> markc, i did do ur command
[04:24] <Chislon_> can i throw the install cd away now?
[04:24] <Chislon_> and what do i do here now
[04:24] <markc> Chislon> probably, you can keep going by apt-get'ting everything from the net now
[04:24] <Chislon_> ?
[04:24] <markc> Chislon> apt-get update
[04:24] <Chislon_> its got some screen deb cdrom stuff deb htpp deb src
[04:25] <Chislon_> and does that mean i can throw away the cd?
[04:25] <markc> Chislon_> control-x to quit out of nano, yes, you can remove your cd
[04:25] <Chislon_> it says uncomment the following two lines to add software from the universe repository?
[04:25] <Chislon_> can i throw it away tho? the cd
[04:25] <markc> Chislon_> yes, do that
[04:25] <Chislon_> how
[04:26] <markc> Chislon_> remove the # at the front of those two lines
[04:26] <Firetech> Chislon_:  did you do anything at that screen with cdrom, deb etc.?
[04:26] <markc> Chislon_> control-x to quit out of nano
[04:26] <Chislon_> the following two lines says ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[04:26] <Chislon_> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[04:26] <Chislon_> i just messed it up
[04:26] <markc> Chislon_> you don't HAVE to do this, it just enables extra packages
[04:27] <Chislon_> cuz i clicked on the # to delte it and then it jumped up to the top and i dleted or added something up there?
[04:27] <Chislon_> markc, i dont get why you keep saying htat, i want to do it, i just dont know how
[04:27] <Chislon_> Firetech, i dont now? im not sure what that means
[04:27] <markc> Chislon_> you are in the kde desktop, you are a kubuntu user, everything from now on is normal debain/kubuntu usage... be happy :)
[04:27] <Firetech> do as markc says
[04:28] <Chislon_> the line that it jumped says team, and may not be under a free license.  please satisfy yourself as deb cdrom:stuff, did i mess it up? and i dont know how to take away the ## from the lines
[04:28] <Chislon_> nor do i udnerstand how taking it from those lines will doa nything as its just teck
[04:28] <markc> Chislon_> I didn't relalize you never used nano before, sorry
[04:28] <Chislon_> er text
[04:28] <Chislon_> markc, oh ok, no problem, im really new
[04:28] <Firetech> Chislon_: just press ctrl+x and then n
[04:29] <Chislon_> i didn tuncomment the lines tho
[04:29] <Chislon_> and i think i changed a different line?
[04:29] <Firetech> and let markc choose a different editor for you ;)
[04:29] <Chislon_> well what about that line i may have messed up?
[04:29] <markc> easier than nano !!! :)
[04:29] <Firetech> markc: perhaps a graphical one
[04:29] <snowseal> ah, im kubuntu now.
[04:29] <markc> Chislon_> edit it again and put the # (commnets) characters back at the front of the line
[04:30] <snowseal> is there any way to tweak the geforce drivers? GL isnt performing very well.
[04:30] <Firetech> nano is simple, if you're used to text editors.
[04:30] <Chislon_> markc, i dont think i took the # away, it jumped up to a different line, and i think i changed some text after a ## or soemthing
[04:30] <Firetech> *text mode editors
[04:30] <markc> Firetech> but if he is a normal user then how does he edit /etc/apt/sources.list ? (I'd be interested to knwo that)
[04:31] <Firetech> markc, sudo gedit works fine
[04:31] <markc> Firetech> oh, okay, cool
[04:31] <Firetech> kde edtors aren't really friendly with sudo
[04:31] <Chislon_> so what do i do about that line?
[04:31] <Firetech> Chislon_: press ctrl+X and then n, to exit without saving
[04:32] <markc> Chislon_> just do an "apt-get update" and see if it complains, if not, don't worry
[04:32] <Firetech> then do the same command but exchange nano with gedit
[04:32] <Chislon_> hitting ctrl x n on the apge didnt do anything
[04:32] <Chislon_> ok got it
[04:32] <Chislon_> i think i hit above the page
[04:32] <markc> Firetech> I always just sudo -i then use a nice nano alias to edit whatever I want without having to think about it
[04:32] <Firetech> not in apt-get, I thought you still were in nano
[04:33] <Chislon_> i was
[04:33] <Chislon_> ok sorry... whats the line now?
[04:33] <Firetech> markc: that's one way to do it
[04:33] <Firetech> Chislon_:  sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:33] <markc> alias e='nano -w -t -x -c -R ' <- that is the fastest and easiest editor on the planet
[04:34] <Firetech> to all KDE lovers: I know gedit is gnome, but k* editors haven't been friendly to my sudo
[04:34] <Chislon_> Firetech, ok i got that open now
[04:34] <Chislon_> its the same thing that nano did
[04:34] <Firetech> remove the # 's in front of the universe-stuff
[04:34] <Chislon_> ok
[04:35] <Firetech> and put one in front of the cdrom line
[04:35] <Firetech> one # that is
[04:35] <Firetech> only remove the #'s in front of the lines starting with deb or deb-src
[04:36] <Chislon_> what is NB software, and ok so.. there are several lines after with deb or deb-src starts
[04:36] <markc> go Firetech!, cool :)
[04:36] <Chislon_> there  are 2 for ubuntu hoary universe, adn 2 for ubuntu hoary security universe
[04:36] <Chislon_> the main restricted ones are already with no #
[04:36] <Firetech> Chislon_: change #deb... to deb...
[04:37] <Chislon_> on all of them?
[04:37] <Firetech> all #deb yes
[04:37] <Chislon_> and is the one youw ant me to put a # on, the one that says dep cdrom:etc.
[04:37] <Firetech> not the ones with just deb
[04:37] <Chislon_> ?
[04:37] <Firetech> Chislon_:  exactly, you're learning ;)
[04:37] <Chislon_> so i dont do the ones with just deb tho?
[04:37] <Firetech> nope
[04:38] <Chislon_> there are 2 under the cdrom one tho that are not commented
[04:38] <Firetech> leave them as is
[04:38] <Chislon_> one of them is a deb.. ok
[04:38] <Chislon_> so im uncommenting the deb-src to the hoary universe, adn the deb-src to the secruity universe?
[04:38] <Chislon_> do i leave the sapce that is after the #?
[04:39] <Firetech> no
[04:39] <Chislon_> ok, so do i have that correct?
[04:39] <Chislon_> and now i hit save
[04:39] <Chislon_> ?
[04:39] <Firetech> yup
[04:39] <Chislon_> ok and now close it?
[04:40] <Firetech> yes, and then when you're back at the command prompt, run "sudo apt-get update"
[04:40] <Chislon_> ok so i forget if this was answered, sorry, but can i throw my install cd away now?
[04:40] <markc> sudo, bah... sorry, I'll try and shutup
[04:40] <Chislon_> and it said reading package list.. done and now is back to command propt
[04:40] <Chislon_> markc, ?
[04:41] <markc> I don't like sudo, but that's just me
[04:41] <Chislon_> ok
[04:41] <Firetech> Chislon_: good
[04:41] <Chislon_> can i throw the install cd away now?
[04:41] <Firetech> yes
[04:41] <Chislon_> ok thank you
[04:41] <Firetech> I think so :P
[04:41] <Chislon_> and thank you markc
[04:41] <markc> heh
[04:41] <Firetech> then the kdm thingie
[04:42] <Chislon_> ya
[04:42] <markc> Chislon_> well I hope I didn't confuse you too much!
[04:42] <Firetech> This is a little more complicated, because I can't talk to you under some parts of the procedure
[04:42] <Chislon_> markc, heh heh, i dunno  ^^
[04:42] <Firetech> type down the commands to run
[04:42] <Chislon_> oh
[04:42] <Chislon_> ok
[04:43] <Firetech> on a paper, that is.
[04:43] <Firetech> first press ctrl+alt+F1 (not now.)
[04:43] <Chislon_> knotes work?
[04:43] <Firetech> then login as normally (the password won't show while you're typing)
[04:43] <Chislon_> oh like write on a real piece of paper, ok.. heh heh
[04:44] <Firetech> Chislon_: no, you're gonna be out of KDE for a while...
[04:44] <dreumah> my download manager is odd, its showing  x mb / x mb and both are climbing at the same rate, 100% constantly
[04:44] <Chislon_> ok
[04:44] <dreumah> was up wit tat?
[04:44] <Firetech> when you get logged in, type "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop"
[04:45] <Firetech> then "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start" (note: gdm before, kdm now)
[04:45] <Chislon_> ok
[04:46] <Firetech> If you get an error, the easiest thing is to reboot, but that shouldn't be needed.
[04:46] <Firetech> that's it.
[04:46] <Chislon_> ok
[04:46] <rodolfo> hi, I installed webmin, but can't login with the root password I set (login invalid). what can I do?
[04:46] <Chislon_> thank you, ill brb
[04:46] <markc> Firetech> isn't there some command to swap login managers ?
[04:46] <Firetech> markc: it's just that that gdm seems to be running although he chose kdm
[04:47] <markc> but like, /etc/X11/default-display-manager needs to say /usr/bin/kdm or else gdm will keep starting on boot
[04:48] <Firetech> markc: I think that one already says kdm
[04:48] <markc> I assume xorg uses that file, maybe it depends on /etc/rc2.d*kdm or *gdm
[04:48] <Firetech> Chislon_: how did it go?
[04:49] <Chislon_> ok :)
[04:49] <Chislon_> soso now im kubuntu? ^^
[04:49] <Chislon_> fine
[04:49] <Chislon_> *so
[04:49] <Firetech> Chislon_: did the login screen loog different now?
[04:49] <Firetech> *look
[04:49] <Chislon_> ya blue and said kubuntu
[04:49] <Firetech> then you're fully kubuntu :)
[04:49] <Firetech> congratulations.
[04:50] <markc> indeed
[04:50] <monchy> enjoy, KDE is fun to tinker around with
[04:50] <markc> well done Firetech :)
[04:50] <Firetech> markc: thank you
[04:51] <Firetech> it's a lot easier for newcomers to use sudo...
[04:51] <Chislon_> thank you Firetech and markc for your help
[04:51] <Firetech> nano is quite complicated if you think you can use the mouse...
[04:51] <Chislon_> thanks monchy 
[04:51] <markc> Firetech> you trying to get me into an argument ? :)
[04:52] <Firetech> no
[04:52] <Firetech> Just a discussion :P
[04:52] <Chislon_> how do i uninstall gnome then?
[04:52] <Chislon_> isnt there a newver verson of xchat then 2.4.1? isnt it at 2.4.3?
[04:53] <markc> Chislon_> hmm, apt-remove ubuntu-desktop _might_ work
[04:53] <monchy> yes 2.4.3
[04:53] <Chislon_> how do i update my xchat
[04:53] <Chislon_> markc, will that delte any of the g apps ?
[04:54] <dreumah> how do i ubdate my kvirc
[04:54] <Firetech> markc: that doesn't work
[04:54] <markc> Chislon_> I don't know what it will actually do, it will provide a list of what it would do and allow you to y/n
[04:54] <thoreauputic> Chislon_: no, it's just a metapackage
[04:54] <Firetech> Chislon_: my advice is to leave it...
[04:54] <Chislon_> oh, ok
[04:54] <Chislon_> thoreauputic, hey, and i dont know what that means, and im kubuntu now^^
[04:54] <Chislon_> Firetech, ok, until im more familiar and know what im doing?
[04:54] <markc> Chislon_> you need half of gnaome/gtk for firefow/openoffice etc anyway
[04:55] <Chislon_> markc, oh ok
[04:55] <Firetech> I have left it, but I use a lot of the original ubuntu apps
[04:55] <thoreauputic> Chislon_: it means ubuntu-desktop is basically just a list of dependencies
[04:55] <Chislon_> ok
[04:55] <Chislon_> so basically i want to keep it?
[04:55] <Chislon_> and i dont really know what it means to be a list of dependencies
[04:55] <Firetech> kind of
[04:55] <Chislon_> will do
[04:55] <thoreauputic> Chislon_: it doesn't really matter
[04:55] <Chislon_> ok
[04:55] <thoreauputic> Chislon_: it won't uninstall anything at all, really
[04:56] <Chislon_> how do i update xchat? and can i make xchat do its autologon but not open or leave open the schat server list?
[04:56] <Chislon_> thoreauputic, ok
[04:56] <thoreauputic> Chislon_: what's wrong with the default xchat? Works fine as far as I can see...
[04:56] <Firetech> Chislon_: the only scenario where you don't want it is if you have a hard disk with 2 mb free space after installing kubuntu, and/or if you're a "no, I won't EVER use a GTK app", which I guess you're not.
[04:57] <thoreauputic> well, xchay is gtk2 for a start...
[04:57] <thoreauputic> *xchat
[04:57] <rodolfo> hi, does anyone use webmin?
[04:57] <Firetech> oops, i forgot a " user" after that quote...
[04:58] <Chislon> Firetech, right ok thank you
[04:59] <Chislon> Firetech, no problem
[04:59] <Firetech> There are some people that will never use a KDE/Qt app...
[04:59] <Chislon> thoreauputic, i dunno, isnt it best to use the latest version
[04:59] <Chislon> wont i end up using a command that updates everything anyway?
[04:59] <Firetech> Chislon: not until you've found a bug in the version you have :P
[04:59] <thoreauputic> Chislon: if you keep your system up to date with security, you'll be fine
[04:59] <Firetech> some newer versions of software break things :P
[05:00] <Chislon> really? why is that, oh
[05:00] <thoreauputic> Chislon: just do a regular reload/update
[05:00] <Chislon> what is that and how do i do it
[05:00] <thoreauputic> Chislon: you can do it with kynaptic/synaptic or apt
[05:01] <thoreauputic> Chislon: just check that you have the security reppositories enabled
[05:01] <Chislon> how do i do that
[05:02] <Firetech> Chislon: you did that before
[05:02] <Firetech> when you removed #'s
[05:02] <Chislon> oh
[05:02] <Chislon> ok
[05:02] <Chislon> well do i need a fireall?
[05:02] <Chislon> and antivirus?
[05:02] <Chislon> er firewall
[05:02] <thoreauputic> Chislon: the sources file tells the system where to look :)
[05:03] <thoreauputic> Chislon: you don't need anivirus
[05:03] <Chislon> and im told no need for spyware thing, or that there are no spyware things?
[05:03] <Chislon> thoreauputic, sources tells the system where to look for what
[05:03] <pointwood> hrm...no eclipse .deb available?
[05:03] <thoreauputic> and unless you are running services you don't need  afirewall either
[05:04] <Firetech> Chislon: he's talking about the security repository, which you should have enabled when you removed #'s
[05:04] <thoreauputic> Chislon: sources.list tells the system  where to look for apps and updates
[05:04] <Firetech> thoreauputic: he's got that enabled
[05:04] <thoreauputic> Firetech: OK
[05:04] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:04] <Firetech> I helped him with that 10 minutes ago
[05:04] <Chislon> oh ok kool
[05:04] <Chislon> and what is running services entail, meaning if im doing a server?
[05:06] <thoreauputic> Firetech: yeah, sorry to jump in :)
[05:06] <Firetech> thoreauputic: np...
[05:06] <thoreauputic> Chislon: stuff like web servers, ssh, nfs etc
[05:06] <thoreauputic> Chislon: by default, ubuntu/kubuntu doesn't listen on any external ports
[05:06] <Chislon> ok well i dunno what ssh or nfs and stuff is
[05:07] <Chislon> thoreauputic, not sure what that means exactly
[05:07] <thoreauputic> Chislon: so don't worry about it now :)
[05:07] <Chislon> ok
[05:07] <Chislon> i thought people us antiviruses tho like ClamOS or somethign?
[05:07] <Chislon> isnt it safer to have an antivirus and firewalll?
[05:07] <thoreauputic> Chislon: all you need to know is that your system is locked down pretty safely by default
[05:08] <thoreauputic> Chislon: viruses for linux are practically unknown up 'til now
[05:09] <Chislon> antivirus wouldnt run all the time anyways right? 
[05:09] <thoreauputic> Chislon: even the few that exist are pretty much harmless anyway, and no up to date system is vulnerable to them
[05:10] <thoreauputic> Chislon: don't worry about antivirus unless you are using it with a windows network to clean up mail etc (which I doubt applies)
[05:10] <Chislon> well im on a home network, and will also be on a small store network with the comp?
[05:10] <thoreauputic> Chislon: linux antivirus is actually designed to catch windows viruses, not linux ones ;)
[05:11] <markc> wow, thank you to whoever gave me a link to the 32bit chroot forum pages, you saved me from reinstalling gentoo!
[05:12] <Chislon> isnt gentoo another distro?
[05:12] <thoreauputic> yes
[05:12] <Chislon> thoreauputic, waht about the home and small store network?
[05:12] <Chislon> why run more htan one distro?
[05:13] <thoreauputic> Chislon: it really depends on what you plan to do with your linux install - the risks start when you run mail servers, web servers and the like
[05:14] <thoreauputic> Chislon: he was saying someone's help stopped him from returning to his previous distro
[05:14] <Chislon> ok... well i wont be running servers, but ill be on the home network and a store network, small store... ?
[05:14] <Chislon> thoreauputic, oh i see
[05:15] <markc> Chislon> who me?... I was about to remove this lovely kubuntu install and put in Gentoo back on, because they have a seemless 32bit mulitlib system
[05:15] <dreumah> markc you are on an amd64?
[05:15] <Chislon> markc, oh ok
[05:16] <markc> dreumah> yes
[05:16] <Chislon> Firetech, what now? :)
[05:16] <dreumah> why intall of kubuntu are you on the amd64?
[05:16] <dreumah> what*
[05:16] <Chislon> markc, you said cua htey have seemless 32 bit multilib system, does that mean kubunto doesnt?
[05:16] <thoreauputic> Chislon: he's using amd64
[05:17] <Firetech> Chislon: what is the questin, I'm doing some other stuff...
[05:17] <Chislon> Firetech, ok sorry, thank you very much for your help
[05:17] <markc> Chislon> no, kubuntu uses a chroot system to run 32bit apps... someone said ubuntu won't have nultilib support until Debian porper does and that means it's years away (probably)
[05:17] <Chislon> thoreauputic, so on the home network and small store one u dont think i need antivirus? seems like i should have atleat a firewall though?
[05:18] <Chislon> markc, oh so what is it that made you stay
[05:18] <thoreauputic> Chislon: if you want a firewall, look at guidedog or firestarter
[05:18] <markc> dreumah> sorry, hoary.. considering breezy
[05:18] <thoreauputic> sorry "guarddog"
[05:18] <Chislon> marc ?
[05:18] <Chislon> thoreauputic, ok thank you
[05:19] <thoreauputic> Chislon: relax about the antivirus - it isn't necessary
[05:19] <dreumah> hoary, but the amd64 for i386 installation
[05:19] <dreumah> ?
[05:19] <Chislon> thoreauputic, ok
[05:19] <RetroMan> hey guys, do you know how I can run a few commands after kde has booted?
[05:19] <RetroMan> (automatically)
[05:19] <Chislon> breezy is a king of kubuntu?
[05:19] <markc> Chislon> I just read a nice howto on now to set up a chroot environment, enough to run the few 32bit apps I'd like to use... gentoo will take me DAYS to get all of kde compiled again
[05:19] <thoreauputic> RetroMan: put a script in ~/.kde/Autostart
[05:19] <Chislon> markc, oh ok
[05:19] <Chislon> and i meant kind not king
[05:20] <Chislon> thoreauputic, but firewall is good?
[05:20] <RetroMan> thanks
[05:20] <markc> Chislon> breezy is the next version of ubuntu/kubuntu
[05:20] <thoreauputic> Chislon: sure, get guarddog or firestarter
[05:20] <dreumah> does the kubuntu amd64 installation support java?
[05:20] <RetroMan> thoreauputic: does it need a special filename scheme?
[05:20] <thoreauputic> Chislon: you'll learn a bit about firewalls at least :)
[05:20] <thoreauputic> RetroMan: I just used a bash script
[05:21] <Chislon> markc, oh ok thanks, waht kind of animal is it
[05:21] <thoreauputic> RetroMan: I believe there is another way involving a special format
[05:21] <Chislon> thoreauputic, ok thank you
[05:21] <markc> dreumah> the ibm one is 64 bit, maybe the sun jre is too.. but I think there are problems with the blackdown java stuff
[05:21] <RetroMan> ok, ill look into it, thanks
[05:21] <dreumah> the sun jre isnt
[05:22] <thoreauputic> RetroMan: an executble script appears to work fine
[05:22] <thoreauputic> *executable
[05:23] <markc> dreumah> I had 64bit java working fine with gentoo
[05:25] <Chislon> alright well im gonna go a bit, thanks for the help everyone
[05:25] <RetroMan> do you know how it could be done on a server machine that doesnt boot into a WM?
[05:25] <markc> dreumah> I haven't seen mention of the 64bit IBM jre anywhere yet so I haven't tried it on kubuntu yet... I might just do the 32bit chroot thing and go with that solution for java, flash and w2codecs... and skype
[05:25] <dreumah> i am just going to install kubuntu for i386 and wait until breezy is better
[05:25] <markc> dreumah> I haven't seen any flash crap for at least a year!
[05:26] <dreumah> so is breezy better to have for amd64 then?
[05:26] <markc> dreumah> no idea, but I hope so
[05:26] <thoreauputic> RetroMan: you would insert a startup script in /etc/init.d/ with relevant links if applicable, or the quick and dirty method is to add commands to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[05:26] <thoreauputic> but that isn't the recommended way...
[05:27] <markc> dreumah> I have little amd64 boxes I want to sell... so I need to have some cream puff stuff working
[05:27] <RetroMan> thanks
[05:28] <markc> dreumah> I don't want to sell boxes with gentoo on them, too hard for end users to deal with, kubuntu is a much better proposition
[05:29] <rodolfo> I have a problem with webmin, can't login. does anyone use it?
[05:29] <dreumah> hmmm the thing is certain apps dont work with amd64 in kubuntu
[05:29] <dreumah> like java
[05:30] <dreumah> the new kvirc
[05:30] <markc> rodolfo> no but dpkg-reconfigure webmin might help
[05:30] <RetroMan> rodolfo on (k)ubuntu webmin behaves strangely at first because there is no real su password
[05:30] <rodolfo> I set the root pwd but the login fails... I'll try with reconfigure
[05:30] <markc> dreumah> yes but apparently they will in a chroot, I am about to find out
[05:31] <dreumah> i dont know what that is, but tell me if you get them to work
[05:32] <markc> dreumah> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[05:35] <markc> dreumah> FWIW I started a #kubuntu-amd64 channel
[05:35] <Dent> markc: nice
[05:36] <markc> Dent> well it would be if there was more then me in it :)
[05:36] <Dent> well, now it is
[05:38] <rodolfo> markc, RetroMan: it worked copying the root password in /etc/webmin/miniserv.users from /etc/shadow; thanks
[05:43] <Dent> you kwaaaaayzee man
[05:43] <Dent> glad it worked, though.
[06:00] <LordHoto> hi
[06:05] <MoreFX> hi
[06:05] <MoreFX> newbie-question concerning PCMCIA card
[06:06] <MoreFX> I have the pcmcia running
[06:06] <MoreFX> If i restart it, no PCMCIA card ist found
[06:07] <MoreFX> although one card is present
[06:07] <MoreFX> how do I configure the pcmcia to "see" my cards
[06:07] <MoreFX> ?
[06:09] <_ggilbert_> well first you need to find a goat
[06:10] <_ggilbert_> The most common problem I've seen with pcmcia is when the memory windows and ioports in the default config don't quite match your computer
[06:10] <_ggilbert_> What type of notebook is it?
[06:10] <_ggilbert_> most x86 notebooks seem to be fairly well standardized, but powerbooks and ibooks seem to be all over the place
[06:10] <MoreFX> Fujitsu/Simens Amilp A
[06:11] <_ggilbert_> try cardctl ident
[06:11] <_ggilbert_> what does that say?
[06:11] <MoreFX> Socket 0:
[06:11] <MoreFX>   no product info available
[06:11] <MoreFX> Socket 1:
[06:12] <MoreFX>   no product info available
[06:12] <_ggilbert_> try looking for errors in /var/log/kern.log
[06:14] <MoreFX> I see some messages like IO port probe 0x0800-0x08ff: clean
[06:14] <_ggilbert_> that's ok. anything that looks bad?
[06:14] <MoreFX> that's all (more or less)
[06:14] <_ggilbert_> does your computer beep at all when you insert the card?
[06:15] <MoreFX> no
[06:15] <_ggilbert_> do you have any other cards you can test with?
[06:15] <MoreFX> do I have to enable hotplugging somewhere?
[06:16] <_ggilbert_> It should work right out of the box
[06:16] <MoreFX> no, I don't
[06:16] <MoreFX> but the card works under Win and Suse 9.2
[06:16] <_ggilbert_> what type of card?
[06:16] <MoreFX> WLAN
[06:16] <_ggilbert_> What type?
[06:16] <MoreFX> used to run fine with NDISwrapper
[06:17] <MoreFX> Linksys WPC54g
[06:17] <_ggilbert_> that could be the problem. dont know if ubuntu has ndiswrapper
[06:17] <KaiL> _ggilbert_: is has
[06:17] <MoreFX> yes, it does
[06:17] <MoreFX> bot the hardware is not recognized
[06:17] <KaiL> MoreFX: your card has a broadcom chip
[06:17] <MoreFX> yup
[06:18] <KaiL> I have the same :)
[06:18] <KaiL> and guess, which version of ndiswrapper you need :)
[06:18] <MoreFX> as i said: it was running under Suse 9.2 until today
[06:18] <KaiL> 1.0-rc3 at least - hoary has 1.0-rc2...
[06:18] <_ggilbert_> I dont see anything special about pcmcia on that machine 
[06:18] <_ggilbert_> and if there are no errors, I'm at a bit of a loss for idea
[06:19] <KaiL> MoreFX: in short: you need to update your ndiswrapper
[06:19] <MoreFX> no, I don't think so
[06:19] <MoreFX> is not the Wrapper
[06:19] <KaiL> did I say, that I have the same card? ;)
[06:19] <MoreFX> the pcmcia-daemon ist not seeing the hardware
[06:20] <KaiL> it's not visible to pcmcia-tools, but it is in lspci
[06:20] <_ggilbert_> MoreFX: No one else seems to have better ideas, I don't imagine it could hurt 
[06:20] <MoreFX> that has nothing to do with the ndiswrapper
[06:20] <MoreFX> but it won't help eighter ;-)
[06:20] <MoreFX> btw: I have the latest ndis-version!
[06:20] <KaiL> MoreFX: look at lspci output and you'll find it
[06:20] <snowseal> where can i find the infrared port in kde?
[06:21] <MoreFX> KaiL: you are right! 
[06:22] <KaiL> did I say, that I have the same card? ;)
[06:22] <KaiL> now ndiswrapper -i <that .inf file from the cd>
[06:22] <MoreFX> I am all set now :-)
[06:23] <KaiL> and finnaly you'll see the driver but not the device with ndiswrapper -l
[06:23] <MoreFX> the ndisdriver is already running.
[06:23] <KaiL> except you update(d) to >=1.0-rc3
[06:23] <MoreFX> It just took several minutes until the card was "present" - strange ...
[06:25] <MoreFX> KaiL: rc1.02-1
[06:26] <MoreFX> KaiL: sorry: rc1.0-2
[06:26] <KaiL> so have fun with updating ndis
[06:26] <MoreFX> I will ;-)
[06:27] <MoreFX> Thanx for helping!
[06:35] <tofirius> how do you remove grub from the boot process?
[06:35] <treke> how so?
[06:36] <treke> grub is a bit important :)
[06:36] <tofirius> yes, but a friend's panicking w/an office pc that won't boot, so he wants to remove grub
[06:36] <tofirius> he loaded kubuntu & then grub won't find linux
[06:36] <tofirius> he wanted to dual boot
[06:36] <treke> what error does he get?
[06:36] <tofirius> so he loaded kubuntu onto a usb drive
[06:37] <tofirius> let me ask hiim
[06:37] <treke> removing grub woulld not really help the situation too much  since it would probably leave you with a totally unbootable machine
[06:37] <treke> but with grub installed you should be able to finesse it into booting the old install
[06:37] <tofirius> so grub overwrites the windows boot process?
[06:37] <tofirius> how
[06:38] <treke> were you trying to dual boot two linuxes or linux and windows?
[06:38] <tofirius> he said the error he would get was 21 & then 15
[06:38] <Firetech> tofirius: it the other OS is windows, insert a windows install cd, go to the recovery console and run fixmbr, then grub is gone
[06:38] <tofirius> linux & win
[06:39] <treke> yeah that would do it. I thiought the second os was linux for some reason :)
[06:40] <Firetech> It is a bit complicated to boot linux from a USB-drive, you have to edit some config-files
[06:41] <tofirius> aha
[06:41] <treke> if you put the bootloader in the mbr for the usbdrive, some computers can boot from a usb device
[06:41] <tofirius> i'm relaying this on to him.... he doesn't have irc right now
[06:44] <foodcoman> Would anyone know a link which would show how to update a Network-less Kubuntu  system via CD, DVD or USB key?
[06:46] <_Church_of_FoamY> in my computers bios i have a setting for os/2 for memory greator than 64mb 
[06:46] <_Church_of_FoamY> if i enable this will it increase the performance of my box?
[06:46] <tofirius> thanks guys for your help
[06:46] <tofirius> take care
[06:47] <_Church_of_FoamY> anyone
[07:24] <abisen> is kubuntu as stable as ubuntu !! one of my prof's wants to install kbuntu on his new laptop ?
[07:25] <abisen> we have been using ubuntu for sometime on laptops without any major issues ? i mean like suspend/resume video output etc..
[07:25] <spiral> abisen: kubuntu is only ubuntu with apt-get install kubuntu-desktop...
[07:25] <spiral> abisen: so it's as stable... in fact, except kde / gnome... there is no difference
[07:25] <Tm_T> spiral: and maybe remove gnomish ;p
[07:25] <abisen> so i should install ubuntu and then install kubuntu-desktop and not download kbuntu iso
[07:25] <Tm_T> abisen: yes
[07:26] <abisen> spiral: huh i already downloaded 75% of the CD now i need to download ubuntu :( 
[07:26] <monchy> may as well just finish the download if your that far into it
[07:27] <abisen> ubuntu is great ... configures everything out of the box i love it.
[07:27] <abisen> earlier my first few days just went by ... configuring wi-fi sound video etc.. .etc...
[07:28] <abisen> so in kubuntu it uses ESD as the sound daemon or arts ? ?
[07:28] <spiral> abisen: arts
[07:29] <spiral> abisen: all kde... you can still use the CD from kubuntu...
[07:29] <abisen> spiral: and if i install from kbuntu CD can i install synaptic and other gnome stuff too...
[07:29] <spiral> abisen: yes, same package database for kubuntu & ubuntu
[07:30] <spiral> abisen: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop on a kubuntu, & you get a kubuntu + ubuntu, and the same for kubuntu-desktop under ubuntu
[07:30] <abisen> great !!! ... 81% done :) -- this will be my first kubuntu installation... .. thanks everybody for the advices... 
[07:30] <spiral> abisen: :-)
[07:31] <juanjo4x4> hi
[07:31] <juanjo4x4> i got 2 questions
[07:32] <juanjo4x4> is there anybody
[07:32] <abisen> lots of ppl
[07:32] <juanjo4x4> oh i see
[07:32] <abisen> just ask ... i got lots of good replies... maybe i might answer some of yours ..
[07:32] <juanjo4x4> q1 how do i fix knetworkconf problem
[07:33] <abisen> juanjo4x4: what's the problem ...
[07:33] <juanjo4x4> i use the amd64 variant of kubuntu 5.04
[07:34] <abisen> juanjo4x4: what's the problem ... i dont have knetworkconf installed on my laptop ... why do you use it? ??
[07:35] <juanjo4x4> i configure the network with sudo ifconfig ..
[07:35] <kay> you ought to just edit /etc/network/interfaces and read man interfaces
[07:35] <juanjo4x4> but in kde i cant do it after i installed kdelibs
[07:36] <juanjo4x4> ok
[07:37] <abisen> juanjo4x4: i use ubuntu and i love the network-admin tool 
[07:37] <juanjo4x4> the only thing sucks to me is tha i have to set up my network configuration after every boot up
[07:37] <juanjo4x4> i prefer kde than gnome
[07:37] <abisen> juanjo4x4: I love it because i have two network cards one wi-fi and i can simply click and activate deactivate change the essid and do lots of things with it
[07:38] <abisen> juanjo4x4: but i am sure the tool will work fine even on kubuntu /... 
[07:38] <juanjo4x4> abisen thanks
[07:38] <abisen> kde should have something like that ..(applet-able)
[07:39] <juanjo4x4> not exactly like the applet you said, but something like that
[07:40] <juanjo4x4> the reason i use kubuntu is thai i prefer kde
[07:40] <juanjo4x4> my experienece with gnome, was terrific in other distributions
[07:41] <abisen> juanjo4x4: i love the KDE look and even loads of features to connect with the network but some how on my P-III laptops that i support in my lab GNOME uses less resource or are more responsive 
[07:41] <robin_> upgrade your PC than :)
[07:41] <juanjo4x4> but you are talking about gnome 2.8
[07:42] <juanjo4x4> abisen:  isn't it a litle heavy 4 your computer?
[07:42] <buz> how can i get openoffice 2 to print landscape?
[07:42] <buz> it ignores my settings
[07:43] <robin_> I'm really a pro-kde user, but I actually have worked the last half year with Gnome, and it isn't that bad as i thought, but kde is much much nicer though.
[07:43] <juanjo4x4> robin_: i'm with you
[07:44] <juanjo4x4> i got gnome in fedora at work
[07:44] <juanjo4x4> and i'm a little lost, betewen the diferences
[07:44] <juanjo4x4> but it is also good
[07:45] <juanjo4x4> ok thaks 4 your help
[07:46] <juanjo4x4> and sorry 4 mu english,i'm spanish
[07:46] <juanjo4x4> see you...
[07:46] <robin_> cya
[07:52] <jrodri> hola
[08:07] <Tm_T> http://cartman-kde.blogspot.com/2005/06/konversation-news.html
[08:11] <KaiL> looks cool
[08:12] <Tm_T> maybe
[08:16] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hey
[08:16] <buz> stupid bloody oo2
[08:16] <buz> WTF wont it print landscape
[08:17] <Alex[RM-UK] > I've searched for ages trying to make it so Konquror wont open it tabs
[08:17] <Alex[RM-UK] > how do I do it?
[08:20] <monchy> woo batman begins in 9 days
[08:23] <Alex[RM-UK] > anyone?
[08:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > anyone know how to stop Konqurore from opeing in tabs?
[08:34] <_Church_of_FoamY> man i have a weard problem
[08:36] <snowseal> i get 3 fps on opengl screensaver atlantis. is there any way i can tune this performance?
[08:37] <snowseal> Alex[RM-UK] :  konqueror config probably?
[08:38] <Tm_T> snowseal: well, I have some problems with it too, somehow it starts just ok but rapidly slow down
[08:38] <snowseal> Tm_T ack. and direct3d wont work on linux?
[08:39] <_Church_of_FoamY> has anyone had any problems with the kubuntu install ISO?
[08:39] <_Church_of_FoamY> and wrighting to cd 
[08:39] <Tm_T> snowseal: what? haha
[08:40] <snowseal> oh, so thats funny. hmm, got a good video card that wont perform on linux. :(
[08:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> don't feel bad i blew my card just the other day
[08:42] <snowseal> opengl sucks arse
[08:49] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hi again
[08:49] <Alex[RM-UK] > how to I save my KMenu ... Menus - I DO NOT trust this K menu Edit, it keeps doing it's own thing with the menus - and I would like to keep a backup
[08:50] <philipacamaniac> you can find it in ~/.kde
[08:50] <philipacamaniac> I'll tell the exact location in a second (my vmware kubuntu is booting)
[08:52] <Alex[RM-UK] > thanks
[08:55] <_Church_of_FoamY> how to do the MD5 checksum verification thingy for the kubuntu ISO?/
[08:55] <kaltsi> hi
[08:56] <Alex[RM-UK] > philipacamaniac,  is it in the config folder?
[08:58] <philipacamaniac> Alex[RM-UK] : sorry, not ~/.kde
[08:58] <philipacamaniac> it is in ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu
[08:58] <philipacamaniac> backup that file
[08:59] <_Church_of_FoamY> anyone know?
[08:59] <Alex[RM-UK] > Thanks!
[08:59] <philipacamaniac> _Church_of_FoamY: md5sum  -cv  file.iso.md5
[09:00] <_Church_of_FoamY> thank you ^_^
[09:02] <Alex[RM-UK] > still cant stop Konqueror from opeing in tabs - any ideas?
[09:04] <philipacamaniac> Alex[RM-UK] : Go to Configure Konqueror
[09:04] <philipacamaniac> --> Web Behavior
[09:05] <philipacamaniac> --> Tabbed Browsing    click Advanced Options
[09:05] <philipacamaniac> Uncheck "Open as tab in existing Konqueror... blah blah"
[09:06] <philipacamaniac> Sadly, this affects filesystem AND web links, meaning when you call up a link from Konversation, it will open a new Konqueror (assuming your URL links are still associated with Konqueror and not Firefox)
[09:07] <Alex[RM-UK] > Oh, Wouldnt of thought it would be in web behaviour
[09:07] <Alex[RM-UK] > thanks,
[09:08] <philipacamaniac> yes, it needs to be somehow separated into the different view profiles (web links open new tabs, file links open new windows, etc.)
[09:09] <Alex[RM-UK] > lol, it still does it
[09:10] <philipacamaniac> whoa, that's dumb
[09:10] <Alex[RM-UK] > I got it
[09:10] <Alex[RM-UK] > works now
[09:10] <Alex[RM-UK] > :) thanks
[09:10] <philipacamaniac> cool
[09:10] <Alex[RM-UK] > Next task - Cedega lol
[09:22] <alex> i need some help configuring my airport card (802.11g) in my iBook ppc running the latest version of kubuntu and kde... it just wont work!
[09:23] <alex> anybody? please help!
[09:23] <uniq> you won't get it to work.
[09:23] <uniq> there are no linux drivers for it.
[09:23] <alex> what!
[09:24] <alex> aww man...
[09:24] <uniq> if it's new airport extreme there is no chance at the time beeing.
[09:24] <uniq> the old airport works.
[09:24] <alex> wait a minute....
[09:24] <alex> hmm
[09:24] <alex> actually my ibook has old airport
[09:24] <alex> im just used to my new imac g5
[09:25] <_Church_of_FoamY> why won't my box boot off of the kubuntu install cd?
[09:25] <alex> what's your box?
[09:25] <_Church_of_FoamY> but it will boot off of the ubuntu install cd
[09:25] <_Church_of_FoamY> my linuxbox
[09:26] <_Church_of_FoamY> you know my computer
[09:26] <alex> no but what hardwarE?
[09:26] <_Church_of_FoamY> celeron 1ghz 256mb ram
[09:26] <_Church_of_FoamY> 120gig hd
[09:26] <alex> sure you didnt download the ppc instead?
[09:26] <_Church_of_FoamY> ppc?
[09:26] <alex> did you check the md5?
[09:26] <_Church_of_FoamY> yea it seems fine
[09:26] <alex> sorry..
[09:27] <_Church_of_FoamY> i downloaded it like 4 times now
[09:27] <alex> ppc is mac
[09:27] <_Church_of_FoamY> lol
[09:27] <alex> lol
[09:27] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh
[09:27] <alex> there are different versiona
[09:27] <alex> *versions
[09:27] <_Church_of_FoamY> kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[09:27] <alex> ahh
[09:27] <_Church_of_FoamY> is the one i downloaded
[09:27] <alex> what speed did you burn it at?
[09:27] <_Church_of_FoamY> 10x
[09:27] <alex> hmm...
[09:28] <_Church_of_FoamY> i even tryed to burn it on my winbox
[09:28] <_Church_of_FoamY> @ 52x
[09:28] <_Church_of_FoamY> and still no go
[09:28] <_Church_of_FoamY> :(9
[09:28] <alex> the only thing i could think of is to reburn at slower speeds
[09:28] <_Church_of_FoamY> ok i'll try it
[09:28] <alex> k
[09:29] <uniq> alex: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuIbook 
[09:29] <alex> is it just me or did kde 3.3 use to have a games menu on the k menu
[09:29] <uniq> might help you with some issues.
[09:29] <alex> ahh thx uniq
[09:29] <uniq> it's basically just my notes from installing. not very informative.
[09:30] <alex> hmm
[09:30] <alex> nothing on the old airport
[09:30] <uniq> no. i have the new one.
[09:30] <alex> ya
[09:31] <uniq> i'm sure you'll find some info on ubuntuforums.org or something.
[09:31] <alex> okay
[09:31] <philipacamaniac> alex: games on the k menu appear when you install kdegames
[09:31] <uniq> if you google for 'ibook linux' you'll get alot of hits too.
[09:31] <_Church_of_FoamY> i'm trying it now @ 4x
[09:31] <alex> ya but everyone seems to just have the internet work out of the box on their machines... its always me :(
[09:32] <alex> okay foam
[09:32] <buz> wait
[09:32] <buz> are you trying to use airport express on that ibook?
[09:32] <alex> no
[09:32] <alex> old airport
[09:32] <buz> mhh that should work
[09:32] <alex> ahh
[09:33] <alex> yes, i am
[09:33] <alex> express as an extension
[09:33] <alex> to my base
[09:33] <buz> airport express is not supported
[09:33] <alex> ahhhhhhhhh
[09:33] <buz> i mean the card
[09:33] <buz> access point is probably fine
[09:33] <alex> wait, express is a base
[09:33] <alex> extreme is a card
[09:33] <buz> and 11mbit in the ibook?
[09:33] <alex> yes
[09:34] <alex> 54mbit as the base
[09:34] <buz> should work from what i hear
[09:34] <alex> works fine in osx
[09:34] <KaiL> "airport extreme" is a broadcom card. No drivers for it.
[09:34] <alex> doesnt work in ubuntu, kubuntu and yellowdog
[09:34] <alex> but im using the old airport card
[09:34] <furkan> hi
[09:35] <alex> exactly what setting should i put in network?
[09:35] <uniq> hey, airport extreme is the base, express is the card.
[09:35] <alex> there are so many...
[09:35] <alex> no
[09:35] <uniq> yes it is.
[09:35] <alex> or
[09:35] <alex> hmm
[09:35] <uniq> i'm right.
[09:35] <alex> im confused
[09:35] <uniq> :)
[09:35] <alex> :)
[09:36] <alex> http://www.apple.com/airportexpress/
[09:36] <alex> http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/
[09:37] <uniq> "Enabled with AirPort Extreme technology, the iBook can surf the Web in..."
[09:37] <uniq> from http://www.apple.com/ibook/
[09:37] <uniq> i'm wrong :] 
[09:37] <alex> ha! :)
[09:44] <alex> i have a problem... when i click on a control panel and enable administrator mode, i type in my password, wait a few seconds, but then instead of seeing my control panel i see the welcome screen that says: welcome to the kde control center blablabla. how do i fix this!
[09:45] <philipacamaniac> yeah that's called the admin mode bug
[09:45] <alex> ahh
[09:45] <alex> im not the only one then?
[09:45] <philipacamaniac> it is intermittent at best, and has no current real fix
[09:45] <alex> darn it
[09:46] <alex> so how am i supposed to configure my network and go on the internet?
[09:46] <philipacamaniac> run kcontrol with kdesu
[09:47] <philipacamaniac> (current workaround)
[09:48] <alex> how do i do that... sorry im new to linux  :( 
[09:49] <philipacamaniac> kdesu kcontrol
[09:49] <_Church_of_FoamY> YAY! it worked ^_^
[09:49] <alex> yay!
[09:49] <KaiL> philipacamaniac: reinstalling kcontrol fixes the bug
[09:50] <alex> oh
[09:50] <KaiL> sudo apt-get --reinstall install kcontrol
[09:50] <KaiL> :)
[09:50] <alex> thanks
[09:50] <alex> :)
[09:51] <philipacamaniac> KaiL: I haven't seen that as a permanent fix...I'm running 3.4.1, latest updates, and I still occasionally have the problem
[09:52] <KaiL> here it didn't come back ever
[09:52] <philipacamaniac> that's promising, at least
[09:52] <_Church_of_FoamY> i'ma gonna go try it now 
[09:52] <alex> well at least ill be able to use it at least once
[09:53] <alex> ok foam
[09:53] <alex> is it just me or are there no games in kubuntu?
[09:53] <alex> there used to be in kde 3.3
[09:53] <philipacamaniac> alex: games on the k menu appear when you install kdegames
[09:54] <philipacamaniac> sudo apt-get install kdegames
[09:54] <alex> ok
[09:54] <alex> ill do that when its done installing kcontrol
[09:55] <alex> any other cool things i should consider installing?
[09:55] <philipacamaniac> superkaramba, but you need 0.36, not the 0.35 in the ubuntu repository. It gives you cool desktop eyecandy, like weather applets and things.
[09:55] <alex> ooooh
[09:56] <alex> what does kubuntu ship with?
[09:56] <alex> 0.35?
[09:56] <alex> otherwise i would have to download ti
[09:56] <alex> *it?
[09:56] <philipacamaniac> Well, it doesn't ship with it, you have to get it in kynaptic, and yes it is 0.35
[09:57] <alex> well ill try that when i get the internet working
[09:57] <philipacamaniac> good call
[09:58] <_Church_of_FoamY> well that sucked :(
[09:58] <_Church_of_FoamY> it won't even boot with my xp cd anymore
[09:58] <_Church_of_FoamY> weard
[09:58] <alex> hmm
[09:59] <alex> what do you currently have installed?
[09:59] <philipacamaniac> checky your BIOS settings
[10:00] <_Church_of_FoamY> i had xp on the same hd as my kubuntu
[10:01] <_Church_of_FoamY> so i qtparted it to get it off cause i thought it was the problem
[10:01] <alex> hmm
[10:01] <_Church_of_FoamY> and there isen't any setting in the bios for that
[10:01] <_Church_of_FoamY> i have an ibm netvista machene type 2254
[10:01] <philipacamaniac> alex: see this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=199107&postcount=7 for installing superkaramba (once you have Internet)
[10:02] <_Church_of_FoamY> and it has a very very simple bios
[10:02] <alex> thanks philipacamaniac
[10:02] <alex> cant help you there, i know almost nothing about bios since it doesnt exist on any of my computers...
[10:02] <philipacamaniac> foam, what is installed on any partition has no effect on whether a CD will boot
[10:03] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh ok
[10:03] <philipacamaniac> alex: no BIOS, how?
[10:03] <_Church_of_FoamY> but it will boot off of my ubuntu
[10:03] <_Church_of_FoamY> cd 
[10:03] <_Church_of_FoamY> O_o
[10:03] <philipacamaniac> Starting to sound like a cdrom reading error
[10:04] <alex> i have macs
[10:04] <alex> no bios there
[10:04] <philipacamaniac> ahhhh
[10:04] <alex> open firmware instead
[10:04] <alex> but not simila
[10:04] <alex> r
[10:04] <philipacamaniac> ppc vs. x86 = head explodes
[10:04] <alex> haha
[10:05] <alex> actually apple just announced they will be switching to x86 in the next year
[10:05] <alex> so i will start having bios
[10:05] <alex> one day
[10:05] <philipacamaniac> i heard, maybe that's good news. no wait, they said Intel, I didn't hear specifically x86
[10:05] <alex> no but they also announced x86 today
[10:05] <_Church_of_FoamY> a screw it i just wanted kubuntu without the ubuntu desktop and crap
[10:06] <philipacamaniac> oh my, does that mean I can try out tiger some day?
[10:06] <alex> they have to recompile a lot of software
[10:06] <alex> maybe!
[10:06] <alex> with a small hack
[10:06] <philipacamaniac> _Church_of_FoamY: you can remove gnome stuff easily
[10:06] <philipacamaniac> of course, who needs Tiger when we have Hoary... :)
[10:07] <_Church_of_FoamY> onto better things
[10:07] <_Church_of_FoamY> like whats a good file shareing p2p program for kubuntu?
[10:07] <_Church_of_FoamY> ok that was really strange....hard core lag for like the last 30sec
[10:08] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh really sweet how?
[10:08] <philipacamaniac> kmldonkey (never tried it - but I think that is what you want...)
[10:08] <_Church_of_FoamY> hmmm tryed it worked kinda crappy
[10:09] <_Church_of_FoamY> ie coulden't download
[10:09] <_Church_of_FoamY> so how to remove gnome?
[10:09] <philipacamaniac> how about qtorrent
[10:09] <_Church_of_FoamY> hmm how to get?
[10:09] <philipacamaniac> sudo apt-get qtorrent
[10:09] <_Church_of_FoamY> and is it kinda like bittoreent?
[10:09] <philipacamaniac> sorry apt-get install qtorrent
[10:09] <_Church_of_FoamY> where i have to go to a site and click on a link
[10:10] <philipacamaniac> it is a kde frontend to BitTorrent... I'm not sure if it has search capabilities, but that's what Google is for
[10:10] <_Church_of_FoamY> lol
[10:10] <ubuntu> whats the username and password for kubuntu live cd?
[10:10] <abisen> what repos should i add if i need to install adobe acrobat reader, realplayer , java and flash 
[10:10] <ubuntu> like if i log out how can log back in??
[10:11] <_Church_of_FoamY> how to remove gnome?
[10:11] <_Church_of_FoamY> si i only have kubuntu
[10:11] <philipacamaniac> abisen:http://ubuntuguide.org/
[10:12] <hussam> what is an Autopackage?
[10:14] <philipacamaniac> foamy, there are a lot a specific gnome packages to remove, let me find the list
[10:14] <philipacamaniac> hussam: it is a new way of packaging software...supposedly distribution independant
[10:14] <philipacamaniac> as in, will install on Slackware, Debian, Kubuntu, you name it
[10:15] <_Church_of_FoamY> ok
[10:16] <abisen> philipacamaniac: how do i add the security key the synaptic is saying not authenticate di know we have to import gpg ... is there steps to do that somewhere
[10:16] <hussam> philipacamaniac: do I need a specific application to install an autopackage or do I just ./aaaaa.package ?
[10:16] <philipacamaniac> the software developers (the GIMP people for example) have to create the autopackage...I'm not sure if there are any special requirements you need in your distro (of course if you did that defeats the whole purpose)
[10:17] <philipacamaniac> abisen: you don't need to import a security key... all the repos (except for kubuntu.org) have signed packages
[10:17] <alex> hmm... "Package kdegames is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source."
[10:17] <philipacamaniac> abisen: you should be able to safely ignore "Not Authenticated" messages
[10:17] <alex> just after sudo apt-get install kdegames
[10:18] <alex> what should i do?
[10:18] <thor|away> alex: it's in main - your sources are not properly configured
[10:18] <thor|away> or you failed to update
[10:19] <alex> well i dont have internet...
[10:19] <philipacamaniac> that would be why
[10:19] <alex> it doesnt work
[10:19] <abisen> wow firefox is not a part of kubuntu and it is for ubuntu ... is konqueror good enough already to compete with firefox
[10:19] <_Church_of_FoamY> than how are ya here?
[10:19] <philipacamaniac> apt-get grabs things from the Internet
[10:19] <alex> im here on osx
[10:19] <alex> my imac
[10:19] <philipacamaniac> foamy, loll
[10:19] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh lol
[10:19] <alex> lol
[10:20] <alex> then why did sudo apt-get --reinstall install kcontrol
[10:20] <alex> work
[10:20] <philipacamaniac> abisen: mostly, except for Gmail support... although the SVN (development source code version) now passes the Acid2 test, meaning it is better than Firefox
[10:20] <thor|away> abisen: actually konqueror has been around for longer than firefox :)
[10:20] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hi
[10:20] <cevans> Does anyone here use kmail with disconnected imap and a bincimap server?
[10:20] <abisen> thor|away: well gecko is older than khtml
[10:20] <philipacamaniac> alex: because that simply removed the package contents and reinstalled them
[10:20] <alex> ah
[10:21] <thor|away> abisen: true, good point :)
[10:21] <Alex[RM-UK] > I have 2 Hard Drives - HD0(HDA) = Kubuntu, HD1(HDB) = Windows XP
[10:21] <philipacamaniac> abisen: wait till Zack Rusin puts out a Qt Firefox port
[10:21] <Alex[RM-UK] > I am trying to confuguirng GRUB to boot to windows when I select it
[10:21] <Alex[RM-UK] > but when ever I select it and press enter, it comes up with chainloader	+1 and stays there for ever
[10:21] <abisen> philipacamaniac: wow a Qt port to firefox that'll be good when i can share my bookmarks between konqueror
[10:22] <Alex[RM-UK] > How can I make GRUB dual boot to XP on a different hard drive?
[10:22] <philipacamaniac> abisen: well that's what I'm hoping for.. plus Konqueror with Gecko, Firefox with KHTML, and KDE integration in Firefox
[10:22] <alex> i have yet another problem: when i'm in control center, in network settings, when i click on one of the two available network devices (ethernet and wireless), i click enable, its enabled for maybe one second, then goes back to disabled...
[10:23] <alex> aargh!!
[10:23] <Alex[RM-UK] > hi alex lol
[10:23] <alex> why cant it be as simple as osx (as far as networking)
[10:23] <alex> hi alex
[10:23] <alex> lol
[10:23] <philipacamaniac> alex" that means it is not receiving a DHCP address, and thus can't be enabled
[10:23] <Alex[RM-UK] > ^^
[10:23] <alex> oh
[10:24] <alex> so then i would have to go about and manually enter ip information and such?
[10:24] <alex> or another fix?
[10:24] <philipacamaniac> alex: DHCP works fine... assuming your DHCP server (usually your router) is properly connected to your Kubuntu machine, you shouldn't have problems
[10:25] <alex> well its not connected physically
[10:25] <philipacamaniac> that's why eth0 wouldn't work
[10:25] <alex> but it says that eth0 is the wireless
[10:26] <alex> and eth1 is ethernet
[10:26] <philipacamaniac> okay well that's why eth1 didn't work
[10:26] <alex> but eth0 doesnt work either
[10:26] <philipacamaniac> eth0 seems to have driver issues (still)
[10:26] <alex> it should
[10:26] <alex> oh
[10:26] <alex> hmm
[10:26] <Alex[RM-UK] > I use DHCP
[10:27] <philipacamaniac> DHCP works fine when your card works fine
[10:27] <philipacamaniac> :)
[10:27] <Alex[RM-UK] > mine's in tip top conditions. nothing wrong with anything
[10:27] <philipacamaniac> same as Mac and Windoze
[10:27] <alex> well i have a dual boot mac-hoary and mac works fine
[10:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > what doesnt actually work?
[10:28] <alex> im not too sure
[10:28] <alex> lol
[10:28] <philipacamaniac> Alex: I know, but the driver for your airport isn't fully supported (AKAIK) 
[10:28] <alex> so is there any other way to get internet?
[10:28] <mats> alex: ;) ubuntu on mac works like heaven 
[10:28] <pat^> hi, are there any boot disks available for kubuntu ? i need to install kubuntu on a notebook, but it doesn't support booting from the external usb drive
[10:28] <philipacamaniac> plug in...
[10:29] <_Church_of_FoamY> i have a powerpc in the basement a 5400/120 i think
[10:29] <alex> whoa
[10:29] <_Church_of_FoamY> what?
[10:29] <alex> ive got a g3 on this thing
[10:29] <alex> how did you get linux on that?
[10:29] <alex> or did you not
[10:29] <Alex[RM-UK] > with a cd :P
[10:29] <_Church_of_FoamY> i get them from the local schools when they upgrade
[10:30] <_Church_of_FoamY> i diden't yet
[10:30] <alex> ahh
[10:30] <alex> sorry
[10:30] <_Church_of_FoamY> but i was thinking of trying it
[10:30] <_Church_of_FoamY> i can't sell them with os 9.2.2 anymore
[10:30] <alex> so there's absolutely no way i could get my wireless hooked up
[10:30] <_Church_of_FoamY> nothin will run on it
[10:30] <alex> ya
[10:30] <alex> way too old
[10:30] <alex> how fast is it?
[10:31] <_Church_of_FoamY> the mac
[10:31] <_Church_of_FoamY> ?
[10:31] <alex> yes
[10:31] <_Church_of_FoamY> idunno 100mhz
[10:31] <philipacamaniac> pat^:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto
[10:31] <_Church_of_FoamY> but i got 17 of them i wanna sell
[10:31] <_Church_of_FoamY> at $50.00 each comes with everything
[10:31] <Alex[RM-UK] > cya
[10:31] <alex> bye
[10:32] <_Church_of_FoamY> keyboard mouse cables ethernet the works
[10:32] <alex> cool church, 17 wow
[10:32] <_Church_of_FoamY> so i was thinking of installing ubuntu on them
[10:32] <_Church_of_FoamY> and selling them to people for there kids
[10:32] <alex> will it run?
[10:32] <_Church_of_FoamY> i don't know
[10:32] <philipacamaniac> I highly doubt it, but again ppc vs. x86 = head explodes
[10:32] <_Church_of_FoamY> but alot of people have been talking about how they but it on macs
[10:33] <philipacamaniac> yes, but not ancient macs
[10:33] <_Church_of_FoamY> hey you never know it might actually work
[10:33] <_Church_of_FoamY> cause i can get alot more macs if it does
[10:33] <pestilence> what is the proper way of hibernating in kubuntu?
[10:33] <_Church_of_FoamY> you take a hammer and........
[10:33] <philipacamaniac> I can't get it running well on any of my old 386/486 systems
[10:34] <_Church_of_FoamY> lol
[10:34] <_Church_of_FoamY> i thought linux was desighen for legacy machenes
[10:34] <pestilence> i would expect an option in the logoff menu, as in gnome/ubuntu.  but there is not.
[10:35] <_Church_of_FoamY> i think it's in the controll panel options
[10:35] <_Church_of_FoamY> under power
[10:35] <alex> and why does my computer say in its text form that it cant find cpu frequency blablabla when waking it from sleep?
[10:35] <_Church_of_FoamY> that i don't know
[10:35] <alex> does anyone else have this problem?
[10:35] <_Church_of_FoamY> you might wanna ask someone else
[10:35] <alex> ya
[10:36] <_Church_of_FoamY> lol
[10:36] <pestilence> The /usr/bin/klaptop_acpi_helper application does not seem to have the same size or checksum as when it was compiled we do NOT recommend you proceed with making it setuid-root without further investigation
[10:36] <philipacamaniac> ppc...
[10:36] <cevans> alex: what type of laptop?
[10:36] <_Church_of_FoamY> if i get it running i'll tell you guys
[10:36] <alex> ibook g3
[10:36] <nmorse> God, Apple's switching to Intel!!!!!!
[10:36] <_Church_of_FoamY> that way you can useit
[10:36] <alex> ya, just saw
[10:36] <_Church_of_FoamY> WHAT????
[10:36] <alex> hehe
[10:36] <Choubaka> And Sarge was released. 
[10:36] <nmorse> I'm scared crapless
[10:36] <_Church_of_FoamY> where did you see it????
[10:37] <_Church_of_FoamY> what site?
[10:37] <alex> macrumors.com for one of the many sites
[10:37] <cevans> quite a few sites have it
[10:37] <nmorse> Look anywhere
[10:37] <Choubaka> http://people.zoy.org/~sam/phd-sarge.png
[10:37] <Choubaka> ;)
[10:37] <_Church_of_FoamY> shit that means say good by to the mac
[10:37] <_Church_of_FoamY> :(
[10:37] <_Church_of_FoamY> i really liked them too
[10:37] <alex> i dont want that ugly pentium sticker on my next mac! or that jingle: ding, ding dign da diiiiigggnnn!
[10:38] <Choubaka> nmorse: Even _SLASHDOT_ has reported it ;P
[10:38] <alex> sucks
[10:38] <alex> at least amd...
[10:38] <alex> but no, pentium wtf!
[10:38] <Choubaka> Anyway, I don't think the quality of laptops will degrade too much.
[10:38] <alex> oh well
[10:38] <pestilence> well if /. reported it, it must be true.
[10:38] <Choubaka> since they're still going to be propritary computers.
[10:38] <Choubaka> prie* :P
[10:38] <nmorse> I'm officially quitting Macs (though the addiction may come back)
[10:39] <Choubaka> Why?
[10:39] <Choubaka> ;P
[10:39] <alex> why?
[10:39] <alex> its still osx
[10:39] <alex> just the cpu changes
[10:39] <Choubaka> It's not like the PowerPC makes a mac good.
[10:39] <alex> everything is the same, basically
[10:39] <alex> ya
[10:39] <alex> exactly Choubaka
[10:40] <philipacamaniac> although the G5 chip is 64 bit... and they usually include 2 chips
[10:40] <Choubaka> And as I sad, as far as I know apple is still going to regulate what hardware you use.
[10:40] <_Church_of_FoamY> yea but it still won't be the same :(
[10:40] <Choubaka> said*
[10:40] <philipacamaniac> so we'd be talking about x64 if this were comparable
[10:40] <Choubaka> foqifjioqejw typos.
[10:40] <alex> well its not going to happen overnight
[10:40] <alex> slowly over a few years
[10:40] <Choubaka> this is just hearsay, but they say that apple is not going to use a BIOS in their comps
[10:41] <alex> just ibm couldnt keep up
[10:41] <nmorse> 2 years
[10:41] <alex> yay!
[10:41] <Choubaka> just Openfirmware.
[10:41] <alex> i hate bios
[10:41] <nmorse> Two dadgum years till all Macs run on Intel!
[10:41] <alex> yuck
[10:41] <philipacamaniac> I highly doubt the x86 statements... 32-bit is an ancient 10-year old architecture
[10:41] <Choubaka> You probably won't be seeing any general el-crappy-cheapo computers running OS X though.
[10:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> <span class="textPln">At Apple's Worldwide Developer Conference today,
[10:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> CEO Steve Jobs announced plans to deliver Macs using Intel
[10:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> microprocessors by this time next year, and to transition all of its</span>
[10:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> thats just a portion of the article
[10:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> :(
[10:42] <philipacamaniac> My guess is the contract includes intel creating a new line of processors for Mac
[10:42] <Choubaka> I'm saying the quality of macs is unlikely to go down.
[10:43] <_Church_of_FoamY> http://www.macnn.com/
[10:43] <_Church_of_FoamY> it won't be the same "feel" though
[10:43] <Choubaka> Why not?
[10:43] <_Church_of_FoamY> macs will no longer be "diffrent"
[10:43] <alex> well they demoed at wwdc macs running tiger and stuff, and later on they revealed this was being demoed on a pentium4
[10:43] <Choubaka> It'll be cute apple machines with OS X
[10:44] <Choubaka> just the processor has changed.
[10:44] <_Church_of_FoamY> i dunno man i still don't like it
[10:44] <Choubaka> And You can't even see the processor.
[10:44] <_Church_of_FoamY> yea macs always used like no nmae cpus
[10:44] <_Church_of_FoamY> no name even
[10:44] <Choubaka> _Church_of_FoamY: You're just prejudiced.
[10:44] <alex> apparently the new apps will use "fat" binairies that work on ppc and intel
[10:44] <philipacamaniac> dual G5s runs infinite circles around a single POS Pentium 4
[10:44] <alex> ya
[10:45] <_Church_of_FoamY> no but i tell ya whay an amd box "feels" diffrent than an intell box
[10:45] <Choubaka> We'll see what happens.
[10:45] <Choubaka> Don't panic!
[10:45] <alex> i always hated intel
[10:45] <alex> preffered amd
[10:45] <alex> but who knows...
[10:45] <philipacamaniac> Pentium 4 doesn't even compare -- it isn't in the same league
[10:45] <Choubaka> I doubt they will use P4s :P
[10:45] <Choubaka> They will use something 64bit
[10:45] <philipacamaniac> 32bit vs. 64bit.... what the &*%&# are they thinking?
[10:45] <nmorse> Pentium M's for laptops could be nice though
[10:46] <Choubaka> philipacamaniac: hm?
[10:46] <Choubaka> Who says they're going 32bit? :P
[10:46] <philipacamaniac> I don't know, I have a Pentium M, and my buddy's new PowerBook puts my Sager to shame
[10:46] <_Church_of_FoamY> you know what this means though
[10:46] <Choubaka> They demoed the intelmac stuff on a P4, yes.
[10:46] <philipacamaniac> Choubaka: P4 is 32 bit
[10:46] <Choubaka> but that's just to show the transition will be easy.
[10:46] <KaiL> philipacamaniac: nop.
[10:47] <_Church_of_FoamY> intell would actually have to desighn something that was actually.......good 
[10:47] <pestilence> ah....you right click on the battery app, it has the suspend/hibernate options
[10:47] <KaiL> Prescott is amd64
[10:47] <Choubaka> OS X and its APIs are portable.
[10:47] <alex> but the powermacs will not switch from g5 to p4...
[10:47] <philipacamaniac> KaiL: amd?
[10:47] <_Church_of_FoamY> brb i'm gonna go get one of the macs from the basement and try to put ubuntu on it
[10:47] <KaiL> or call it x86_64 ;)
[10:47] <Choubaka> Anyway, they _will not_ back to 32bit. 
[10:48] <Choubaka> I am almost certain of that.
[10:48] <Choubaka> because it would be idiotic.
[10:48] <Choubaka> Why would apple do something idiotic?
[10:48] <alex> apparently the consumer machines will switch first, like the mac mini and ibook, then when intel will have 64bit ready the powermacs will switch too
[10:48] <ataxic> desperate?
[10:48] <philipacamaniac> KaiL: I was unaware...
[10:49] <philipacamaniac> KaiL: googling..
[10:49] <Choubaka> Now, they're going to use intel processors because intel can make processors cheaper than apple can.
[10:49] <alex> you mean ibm
[10:49] <alex> :)
[10:49] <philipacamaniac> apple didn't make the ppc, IBM did
[10:49] <philipacamaniac> yeah
[10:49] <philipacamaniac> :)
[10:49] <Choubaka> well, yes.
[10:49] <_Church_of_FoamY> yea but apple makes em better than intell lol
[10:49] <Choubaka> _Church_of_FoamY: Who knows.
[10:49] <Choubaka> Maybe they'll come up with something new.
[10:49] <philipacamaniac> yeah... who knows...
[10:50] <_Church_of_FoamY> and apple always is meticulus about there parts
[10:50] <alex> ya, in two years things will change
[10:50] <Choubaka> And macs will be cheaper.
[10:50] <alex> yay!
[10:50] <_Church_of_FoamY> ditto
[10:50] <Choubaka> and people can run OS X, which is a wonderful OS, virus-free and all that.
[10:50] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh i'm shure it will get viruses 
[10:50] <Choubaka> Well, some.
[10:50] <_Church_of_FoamY> all popular osses get them 
[10:51] <_Church_of_FoamY> it just takes a while
[10:51] <Choubaka> But it's not as bad as Windows. :)
[10:51] <alex> does linux have viruses?
[10:51] <_Church_of_FoamY> true
[10:51] <philipacamaniac> It matters not to anyone in here, because we all love Kubuntu+KDE
[10:51] <Choubaka> None active.
[10:51] <_Church_of_FoamY> only 2 that i know of
[10:51] <nmorse> No, popularity has nothing to do with virus attacks
[10:51] <Choubaka> Windows gets even fiercer competition! Yayay.
[10:51] <_Church_of_FoamY> but they can't do anything
[10:51] <alex> well unless a virus can somehow get root acces, there will be no viruses
[10:51] <nmorse> Apache gets fewer viruses than ISS
[10:51] <_Church_of_FoamY> lol
[10:51] <nmorse> But it's way more popular
[10:51] <philipacamaniac> alex: they are called rootkits
[10:51] <thoreauputic> _Church_of_FoamY: can you name another OS besides Windows that gets viruses? I can't think of one...
[10:52] <alex> ahh, sorry
[10:52] <Choubaka> And OS X is easier to use than Windows, they say.
[10:52] <alex> oh ya
[10:52] <_Church_of_FoamY> i don't know linux is really growing in popularity sence last year
[10:52] <philipacamaniac> alex: never seen one in the wild, but they supposedly exist
[10:52] <_ubuntu> i cant decide between kubunutu and ubuntu ...
[10:52] <Choubaka> _ubuntu: try both
[10:52] <_Church_of_FoamY> lol
[10:52] <Choubaka> you know, they're the same distro
[10:52] <_Church_of_FoamY> they just do things a diffrent way
[10:52] <Choubaka> install ubuntu first, then install the package "kubuntu-desktop"
[10:52] <_ubuntu> yes, i mean kde or gnome
[10:52] <nmorse> Use ubuntu, then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:53] <nmorse> If you try GNOME, you'll love KDE when you find it
[10:53] <alex> can i do the same with kubuntu?
[10:53] <mats> why would you? :p
[10:53] <mats> hihi
[10:53] <alex> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
[10:53] <philipacamaniac> KDE seems to be more integrated together, while GNOME (in Ubuntu) seems to be more polished
[10:53] <alex> dunno ;)
[10:54] <thoreauputic> philipacamaniac: the new xfce4 is very nice too, actually
[10:54] <philipacamaniac> I agree.. it is quite nice
[10:54] <gensn> i heared something about kde4 "plasma" and stuff... is there something planned for gnome (3?)
[10:54] <alex> what kind of a name is xfce4?? lol
[10:55] <thoreauputic> alex: I expect there's a nerdy story behind that one :)
[10:55] <alex> hehe
[10:56] <bobbyd> hi
[10:56] <bobbyd> how do I h
[10:56] <alex> anyway its pretty amazing that this news of apple and intel made its way even into a kubuntu irc channel...
[10:56] <thoreauputic> alex: but then, what kind of a name is "XP" for that matter ;-)
[10:56] <philipacamaniac> gensn: yeah... can't remember... oh yeah: http://gnome.org/~seth/
[10:56] <bobbyd> how do I change the font size in kynaptic? the fonts are huge...
[10:57] <thoreauputic> alex: quite afew linux people run macs ( I have ubuntu on an iBook G4 for example)
[10:57] <alex> thoreauputic: yeah lol
[10:57] <alex> ah
[10:57] <alex> me too
[10:57] <philipacamaniac> xfce = Cholesterol Free Environment (so I guess it should be CFE)
[10:58] <thoreauputic> ah
[10:59] <gensn> philipacamaniac: yeah, there open gl "wobble-windows" are nice :)
[10:59] <philipacamaniac> see my latest blog entry for a roundup of KDE4 coolness: http://www.philipandjenny.com/2005/06/06/kde-4-will-be-awesome/
[10:59] <hussam> guys, I have a question. what is this file /proc/kcore ?  It is a 384MB file
[10:59] <philipacamaniac> gensn: I hope it is cool, so KDE can be better :)
[10:59] <alex> okay well i have to go, be guys!
[10:59] <alex> *bye
[10:59] <philipacamaniac> competition is good
[11:00] <thoreauputic> hussam: /proc is virtual - it doesn't really take up the space you are seeing
[11:00] <_Church_of_FoamY> forgot i had to download the ubuntu ISO again
[11:00] <gensn> true that :>
[11:00] <_Church_of_FoamY> :P
[11:00] <mats> hihi
[11:00] <alex> bye
[11:00] <philipacamaniac> hussam: linux treats processes and memory space as files
[11:00] <hussam> thoreauputic: Ok 
[11:01] <hussam> so this file is 384MB because I have 384MB of ram on this PC?
[11:01] <philipacamaniac> indeed
[11:01] <gensn> i like kde and used in on suse, but i think gnome is a little bit faster sometimes, but not so user friendly... ah dunno... 
[11:02] <philipacamaniac> KDE really does want a faster machine... but the latest GNOME is getting up there, too.
[11:02] <bobbyd> philipacamaniac: is there an ETA for KDE 4?
[11:02] <morten> Aloha :)
[11:02] <thoreauputic> gensn: interesting - KDE "feels" a bit quicker on this machine
[11:02] <philipacamaniac> bobbyd: 2006 is all we know
[11:02] <_Church_of_FoamY> why does it want a faster machene?
[11:02] <hussam> I'm installing xfce 4.2.2 now using xfce4-4.2.2-installer.bin
[11:02] <morten> ... where was it you could get that thing that would fix kdelibs __
[11:03] <morten> ?? even
[11:03] <philipacamaniac> bobbyd: hopefully before longhorn
[11:03] <philipacamaniac> :)
[11:03] <_Church_of_FoamY> fluxbox?
[11:04] <thoreauputic> philipacamaniac: about the same time as Duke Nukem Forever , then ;-) ?
[11:04] <philipacamaniac> no, no... KDE has good release history
[11:04] <_Church_of_FoamY> what is fluxbox?
[11:04] <thoreauputic> _Church_of_FoamY: fluxbox is a very small, quick window manager
[11:04] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh ok
[11:04] <philipacamaniac> but KDE 3.5 will almost certainly come first (Fall 2005)
[11:04] <_Church_of_FoamY> i get it
[11:06] <morten> .... Once there was a link in the "headline" to where that shell-file-thingie that fixed kdelibs could be downloaded.. anyone remember where _
[11:06] <_Church_of_FoamY> how come when i'm doing alot of things the music i play get kinda skippy?
[11:06] <philipacamaniac> Some discussion of the release schedule... http://commit-digest.org/index.php?issue=jun32005
[11:07] <thoreauputic> morten: if you mean kdelibs-debug.sh , I have a copy here
[11:08] <morten> Yup.. thats the one..
[11:08] <thoreauputic> morten: I could probably DCC it to you if you like
[11:08] <philipacamaniac> does he need that? There is an updated kdelibs...
[11:08] <morten> What ever DCC means ... it would be great :)
[11:08] <morten> (is kinda new to linux and irc thingie)
[11:08] <thoreauputic> yes, I don't think it's necesary
[11:08] <nmorse> ftp://www.betterthanducttape.com/kdelibs-debug.sh has it too
[11:08] <morten> Ill just get it from there
[11:09] <thoreauputic> morten: are you sure you need it?
[11:09] <hussam> philipacamaniac: does this "/usr/share/autopackage" directory exist on your PC?
[11:09] <_Church_of_FoamY> anyone know?
[11:09] <morten> Nope.. i did last time i installed kubuntu
[11:09] <philipacamaniac> hussam: no
[11:09] <thoreauputic> _Church_of_FoamY: do you have on-board sound?
[11:09] <RetroMan> church: how much RAM do you have?
[11:09] <_Church_of_FoamY> yes
[11:09] <_Church_of_FoamY> 128mb
[11:09] <philipacamaniac> hussam: http://commit-digest.org/index.php?issue=jun32005
[11:09] <_Church_of_FoamY> i mean 256mb
[11:10] <philipacamaniac> hussam: sorry, wrong link
[11:10] <thoreauputic> morten: the kdelibs issue is fixed now
[11:10] <morten> ahhh, ok.. then I dont need it :)
[11:10] <philipacamaniac> hussam: http://autopackage.org
[11:11] <thoreauputic> _Church_of_FoamY: well, sound uses CPU so if you are doing something CPU intensive your sound might suffer
[11:11] <_Church_of_FoamY> is that just onboard?
[11:12] <_Church_of_FoamY> or any sound at all?
[11:12] <thoreauputic> a dedicated sound card will always perform best, of course
[11:12] <thoreauputic> if it's any good
[11:12] <philipacamaniac> hussan: looks like all you have to do to a .package file is make it executable (right click - properties - permissions - is executable)
[11:12] <philipacamaniac> *hussam
[11:13] <_Church_of_FoamY> i have an ISA one a sb-16 i think
[11:13] <hussam> philipacamaniac: Ok , got that
[11:13] <_Church_of_FoamY> lool
[11:14] <thoreauputic> _Church_of_FoamY: ISA can be a pain to configure
[11:14] <_Church_of_FoamY> hey is there a program that will let you record internet radio?
[11:14] <nmorse> The only sound card that uses less CPU is really the Audigy series
[11:14] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh ok 
[11:14] <gensn> i hate that -  why does ctrl+c / ctrl+v - copy / paste not work properly whith kde?
[11:14] <thoreauputic> _Church_of_FoamY: sure, get streamripper and streamtuner
[11:14] <nmorse> They have a built-in DSP that cuts down on CPU usage
[11:14] <_Church_of_FoamY> i think i can get one of those
[11:14] <nmorse> Foamy, don't bother
[11:15] <_Church_of_FoamY> is that an apt-get?
[11:15] <_Church_of_FoamY> or a synaptic thing?
[11:15] <nmorse> Just set whatever program you use to play sound to a higher priority
[11:15] <thoreauputic> _Church_of_FoamY: yes
[11:15] <_Church_of_FoamY> sweet
[11:15] <thoreauputic> _Church_of_FoamY: get both 
[11:15] <morten> Anyone of you tried that... GTK-QT thingie.. that makes GTK-windows look like QT (or something like that)
[11:15] <nmorse> Yeah, I use it
[11:16] <thoreauputic> streamtuner works with streamripper to rip mp3 etc from shoutcast
[11:16] <morten> Is it good __
[11:16] <nmorse> The only problem is the GTK File selector is still as ugly as sin
[11:16] <nmorse> It works great otherwise
[11:16] <abisen> hey i installed firefox on kubuntu and the fonts on the firefox interface are too small .. where do i make them appear decent ??
[11:17] <philipacamaniac> abisen: in the interface, or on webpages?
[11:17] <abisen> philipacamaniac: interfaces
[11:18] <philipacamaniac> abisen: do you have gtk2-engines-gtk-qt  ?
[11:19] <abisen> philipacamaniac: nopes
[11:19] <philipacamaniac> abisen: having that package allows you to control the font size of gnome/gtk applications
[11:19] <abisen> philipacamaniac: installing ... 
[11:20] <philipacamaniac> abisen: once installed, a new option in the KDE Control Center will appear in Appearence & Themes: "GTK Styles and Fonts"
[11:21] <abisen> philipacamaniac: thanks a lot ... i am installing them now !!! internet speed is slow...it's still downloading 
[11:21] <abisen> philipacamaniac: that'll help a lot right now ... firefox looks ugly
[11:22] <philipacamaniac> you might also install the Firefox Plastikfox Crystal SVG theme (from the Firefox theme site)
[11:22] <abisen> somehow the KDE looks much more slicker faster and cleaner in kubuntu as compared to SuSE's version on KDE
[11:23] <gensn> definitly faster
[11:23] <philipacamaniac> abisen: probably because of the lipstik/plastik window themes
[11:23] <abisen> gensn: and 200% less cluttered
[11:23] <thoreauputic> abisen: kubuntu is a nice job, indeed
[11:26] <morten> what is the "misc windows fonts" package called in apt-get ??
[11:28] <philipacamaniac> morten: msttcorefonts
[11:28] <nmorse> mscorewebfonts?
[11:28] <_Church_of_FoamY> why wont stream runner pull up stations from live365.com but it will for shoutcast?
[11:28] <philipacamaniac> yeah that too
[11:28] <mats> look in /usr/lib/kde3 i dont know
[11:28] <morten> Tanks :)
[11:29] <bobbyd> how do I add a new group for users to be part of?
[11:30] <philipacamaniac> sudo addgroup
[11:30] <morten> "Custom Firefox Forms - Make you firefox form widgets look decent" is from them auto script for new users.... there are some of the things in that script i dont want, so I'm installing them manual... what is that package called ....
[11:30] <morten> (will soon be finished asking questions)
[11:30] <nmorse> Is there some dadgum way to dadgum make the PlastikFox buttons smaller?
[11:31] <philipacamaniac> dadgum yes
[11:31] <philipacamaniac> nmorse: dadgum right click that there toolbar and hit yer customize, then check that there box that says "Use Small Icons"
[11:31] <philipacamaniac> :)
[11:32] <dtorg29> no on gaim
[11:33] <abisen> i am building/installing vmware and it needs kernel sources what package do i install for that i installed linux-source and it downloaded a tar.gz in /usr/src/ i need the kernel source ???
[11:35] <abisen> i need linux-headers-i386 meta package :) 
[11:36] <philipacamaniac> linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[11:36] <philipacamaniac> (assuming you are using the 386 kernel)
[11:37] <bobbyd> philipacamaniac: ok, when I do sudo usermod -G newGroup myUser then I log out and back in and do groups, I don't see the new group
[11:38] <philipacamaniac> has anyone got full Gmail to work in Konqueror yet?
[11:38] <Chislon> hi
[11:38] <philipacamaniac> bobbyd: do it from a Konsole... have you created the group yet
[11:39] <bobbyd> philipacamaniac: oops, I just screwed the groups on my user
[11:39] <Chislon> when using the kde messenger it tries to save my password in te k wallets thing.... but when i put in the password i just set up, it says read error, possibly wrong password... i dont get it
[11:39] <bobbyd> philipacamaniac: how do I restore the default groups?
[11:39] <philipacamaniac> bobbyd: hold on
[11:39] <philipacamaniac> bobbyd: btw, you shouldn't need to log out to apply a group change
[11:41] <_Church_of_FoamY> any idea why streamcast won't see stations from live365.com
[11:41] <_Church_of_FoamY> but shoucast stations work
[11:41] <bobbyd> _Church_of_FoamY: ports are blocked?
[11:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> i can play it through mozilla with kaffiene
[11:42] <philipacamaniac> bobbyd: http://rafb.net/paste/results/GKUG6U39.html
[11:42] <bobbyd> philipacamaniac: thanks :)
[11:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> but i can't play it with that program you guys recommended
[11:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> it dosen't see live365.com
[11:42] <philipacamaniac> bobbyd: also, there should be a group with your username... make sure you are in there too
[11:43] <_Church_of_FoamY> it's weard 
[11:43] <_Church_of_FoamY> if it is a port which one?
[11:43] <_morten> how come that when i get nvidia driver installed everything gets extreamly big.... ?
[11:44] <bobbyd> philipacamaniac: the problem is, I can't modify the user now because I can't get root because I'm not in the sudoers file :(
[11:44] <bobbyd> _Church_of_FoamY: no idea
[11:44] <_Church_of_FoamY> beacuse theres a station that i really want to record from live365 and i even know the name of it
[11:45] <_Church_of_FoamY> i just don't know how to put it in the player
[11:45] <_Church_of_FoamY> so i can play and record
[11:46] <bobbyd> philipacamaniac: I assume 'adm' is your username?
[11:46] <philipacamaniac> no... I didn't include the username, adm is another group
[11:46] <bobbyd> OK
[11:47] <bobbyd> any ideas about getting to be root?
[11:47] <philipacamaniac> bobbyd: btw, if you don't want users to be able to sudo, just remove them from admin
[11:47] <philipacamaniac> oh, hmm
[11:47] <philipacamaniac> other than sudo -i  ?
[11:48] <bobbyd> where would I run that from?
[11:48] <nmorse> sudo passwd root
[11:48] <nmorse> That'll get you a root account
[11:48] <philipacamaniac> yes, but understand that it isn't recommended by ubuntu devels or canonical
[11:48] <bobbyd> nmorse: it just says I'm not i nthe sudoers file
[11:49] <philipacamaniac> okay, you need to be in the admin group
[11:49] <bobbyd> philipacamaniac: but I broke it by nuking my user's groups
[11:49] <philipacamaniac> hmm, 
[11:49] <bobbyd> so I can't change the groups I'm in
[11:49] <bobbyd> oh dear :(
[11:50] <dabugas> hi
[11:51] <philipacamaniac> well, if you don't have a working sudo user, you may have to boot from the install cd (or the live cd), and use that root to add your user back to admin
[11:51] <bobbyd> ok
[11:51] <bobbyd> how can I use the install CD to do that?
[11:51] <philipacamaniac> I'm thinking...
[11:51] <bobbyd> ok, sorry about this
[11:52] <philipacamaniac> no prob -its fun!
[11:52] <bobbyd> can't I start in single user mode
[11:52] <bobbyd> and fix it that way somehow?
[11:52] <_morten> Anyone have that GTK-QT theme engine as a .deb file ??
[11:52] <dabugas> i was fiddling with the keyboard layouts in the kde control center and for some reason the (') has turned into accent and the (") into umlauts. any way I can reset xkb? (just "default"ing everything in the control panel didn't work.)
[11:53] <nmorse> gtk2-theme-gtk-qt or something like that, _morten
[11:53] <philipacamaniac> bobbyd: just reboot, and on the grub menu, choose "recovery mode", it will give you a root prompt (without a password hopefully)
[11:53] <nmorse> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[11:53] <nmorse> Is the correct name, _morten
[11:53] <_morten> Yeah... I think
[11:54] <bobbyd> philipacamaniac: I'm there :)
[11:55] <bobbyd> philipacamaniac: is the default group for a user bob, 'bob'?
[11:55] <philipacamaniac> then why are you still here? j/k lol
[11:55] <_morten> ahh well, AFK.. Seinfeld...
[11:55] <philipacamaniac> bobbyd: yes, plus all the other groups
[11:55] <bobbyd> philipacamaniac: ok cool, it's working, thanks :)
[11:56] <philipacamaniac> bobbyd: any user created after your first user will not be in any groups
[11:56] <Chislon> what are iptables
[11:56] <dabugas> can anyone help me? i've run out of hair! :)
[11:57] <nmorse> try rogaine
[11:58] <philipacamaniac> Chislon: IP packet rules, basically a firewall... you can install guarddog (a KDE frontend for configuring iptables)
[11:58] <philipacamaniac> Chislon: It is in the Universe section of the ubuntu repositories
[11:58] <Chislon> philipacamaniac, ohh ok thank you
[11:59] <Chislon> philipacamaniac, is that better htan firestarter? some forums im reading say guarddog isnt secure or somehting?
[11:59] <philipacamaniac> firestarter is a gnome program, guarddog is KDE. I haven't heard anything about security flaws in either program.
[12:00] <philipacamaniac> I have to go, see ya later on!