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Mithrandirhm12:38
tsenghi tollef.12:39
Mithrandirwe might want to upgrade emacs or backport something to it or something.12:39
Mithrandirpasting utf8 from the character selector is broken.12:39
Mithrandirhi tseng.12:39
lsuactiafnerman pages in console display wrong also12:40
Mithrandirno, they don't12:41
Mithrandirnot if your locale is set correctly12:41
lsuactiafner       be mounted, like /dev/cdrom or /dev/sdb7.  For NFS mounts one will  have  <host>:<dir>,  e.g.,  knuth.aeb.nl:/.12:41
lsuactiafner       For procfs, use proc.12:41
lsuactiafnermight be that..12:42
Mithrandiryour terminal is probably not in utf8 mode.12:42
lsuactiafnerheh12:42
Mithrandir       <host>:<dir>, e.g., knuth.aeb.nl:/.  For procfs, use proc.12:42
Mithrandirlots of beautiful quotes there.12:42
lsuactiafnerhow do i set it in bash/console?12:42
Mithrandirin the console?  unicode_start should switch the console into utf8-mode12:44
lsuactiafnertan unicode looks better12:44
lsuactiafneri cant be bothered with moving my mouse, console is less effort12:45
lsuactiafneris the devel and motu only for applicable discussions or is it ok to ask if marvell wireless cards are any good?12:48
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truluxtseng: good job made by those *hardened* guys ;)01:20
tsengtrulux: which?01:20
truluxtseng: the bad, false and inaccurate marketing about myself ;)01:20
tsengare we going to fight about this again?01:21
tsengim sortof tired.01:21
truluxtseng: no need, but this won't take long to get hard for those who were involved ;)01:22
tsengim not sure what issue we are even on now01:23
tsengbut if you want to fight more people, I dont want to be part of it.. the last one was tiresome01:23
truluxtseng: fight more people? No, I mean I don't like to see my conversation with a devrel guy being unresponsible published in public availability in a bugzilla bug full of false claims and other weird stuff that I might did when I was 11-12 and what I definitely didn't do01:25
tsengtrulux: gentoo devrel?01:25
truluxtseng: yes01:25
tsengim not sure how that is relevant to #u-d01:26
tsengwe dont have a devrel.01:26
truluxtseng: you're as cinic as the others, if we need to discuss anything someday, let's /query.01:26
tsengsure, but lets leave your problems with method, devrel or whatever else out of here please.01:27
truluxtseng: sure, I've found a way of making this stuff both reliable and fun, and it's going to rock in the next years ;)01:29
tseng-hardened?01:29
tsengrock on.01:29
truluxtseng: not that. reliable in economical terms ;)01:31
truluxtseng: though that would rock too01:31
truluxtseng: I just hope to keep the stuff strictly technical there and accurate01:31
truluxtseng: sad how SSP died :)01:32
tsengSSP upstream isnt as responsive as it could have been01:32
truluxtseng: I'm not talking on that, I was working with others on defeating it, and double injection came to mind. the code might get available during the LSM 200501:33
tsengoh, you made a POC :(01:34
truluxtseng: *we*, I was with migraines and only gave random bits and theory01:35
tsengany fix?01:35
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tsengor its too critical01:35
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truluxtseng: can't be fixed01:35
truluxtseng: certain archs could be non expoitable due to the conditions01:35
truluxtseng: but those are not supported by SSP01:36
trulux*evil grin*01:36
alexandros-seDear staff behind UBUNTU01:36
alexandros-seI would like to talk about a future project with someone in priv.01:36
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alexandros-seAnyone?01:37
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Jormundgandide-cd is broken for CyberDrive devices. I know people were looking at it beforehand, but will Ubuntu look to do anything?01:40
kentalexandros-se, why in private?01:41
JormundgandAdditionally, bugs 263198 and 260621 apply to versions of Firefox up to and including 1.0.4 - could the relevant source from the relevant build be backported to Ubuntu's build as a bugfix?01:42
alexandros-sekent: we are starting a project and I would like to ask for permission of using ubuntu...01:42
kentalexandros-se, Im not a lawyer, but I dont think you need permission to do that.01:44
alexandros-sewell it's under the project's name...01:45
alexandros-seand I would like to talk about making huger amount of "shiping-orders" of ubuntu...01:45
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Keybuk...why, after my PC has been off for a few days, does it feel the need to spend ages running updatedb03:18
Keybukit was OFF!  the chances of any files moving is pretty slim <g>03:18
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jsgotangcohello03:34
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Unfrgivenjsgotangco: hey dude03:48
jgotangcohey03:50
jgotangcohmm03:50
Unfrgivenhmmm?03:51
jgotangcomy other instance still isnt disconnecting03:52
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Mezhmm03:54
Mezthere's only 9 ubuntu members?03:55
bob2mako has the official list03:55
jgotangcoif you're talking about the wiki list, that's incredibly outdated03:55
Mezlast edited 5 days ago :P03:57
tsume_eww03:57
tsume_cafuego is in #ubuntu, the #debian trolls are coming to #ubuntu03:57
bob2cafuego is certainly not a troll03:58
wasabilooks like they're coming to -devel.03:59
jsgotangcoahh the edit is a self-addition then03:59
crimsuntsume_: heh, cafuego has been a healthy member of the debian[-based]  distro community for ages03:59
whiprushbob2 is my favorite #debian person.04:03
jsgotangcowhiprush, hey long time no see04:03
whiprushhey04:04
whiprushI've been idling04:04
jsgotangcotheres no rush04:04
makoMez: just because it was edited 5 days ago does mean it's not outdated04:12
makoMez: it just means someone edited an outdated list 5 days :)04:12
jsgotangcoheh04:13
jsgotangcoahh mako you're still awake at this time04:13
bob2mako is always awake04:16
whiprushman I just scanned the #ubuntu logs.04:16
whiprushthat place is horrible.04:17
jsgotangcotell me about i04:17
jsgotangcot04:17
bob2all user support channels are04:17
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makojsgotangco: i spent all day in the park04:20
makojsgotangco: just got back04:20
jsgotangcospending sunday at the park is one of my fave activities04:21
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lamontmalloc: ../bash/dispose_cmd.c:322: assertion botched04:57
lamontfree: called with unallocated block argument04:57
lamontew.  bad bash04:57
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fabbionemorning06:07
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tsumecrimsun: oh please, cafuego is a loose gun who loves banning people over stupid arguments06:17
tsumecrimsun: banning over personal disagreements is not healthy for a channel06:18
danielsand stupid petty personal disagreements aren't healthy for a channel, either.  don't do it here.06:18
fabbionedaniels: do you have any idea for #3015 ?06:19
fabbionedaniels: if X is not using DRI because it's not supported on that card, i start to even doubt it's a kernel problem06:19
danielsfabbione: if X isn't using DRI because it's unsupported on that card, then it can hardly be a DRI problem ...06:20
danielsfabbione: getting them to try different kernels would be best, I suppose06:20
danielsfabbione: i know of a problem in radeon drm that could theoretically cause hardlocks on newer cards, but we're not using that on r400, IIRC06:21
fabbionedaniels: DRI is the only X <-> kernel direct communication06:21
danielsfabbione: right06:21
fabbionedaniels: at least that i know off06:21
danielsfabbione: which means if DRI's not in use, then X isn't at fault at all :P06:21
danielsbut yeah, if we can narrow the problem down to 'this kernel works', 'this kernel's broken' and no X changes, then we've got something better to start from06:21
fabbioneX is always at fault :)06:21
danielshaha06:22
danielsi thought there were no X bugs06:22
daniels(only GTK bugs)06:22
tsumedaniels: heh. I just really don't like a abusive op to be in a friendly channel06:22
Amaranthtsume: I've never even seen him use his ops.06:22
danielstsume: 'abusive' is subjective.  if you have complaints about his behaviour here, feel free to bring them up, but I'm sick of disagreements from channels being dragged in here for no other reason than people don't like other people.06:23
Amaranthtsume: me and bob2 ban more people than he does06:23
tsumeAmaranth: I have, there was even a incident which crawled all the way to the mailing list06:23
Amaranthwait, he isn't even an op in #ubuntu06:23
Amaranthso what's the big deal?06:23
tsumeAmaranth: because hes "there"06:24
Amaranthtsume: We are not banning someone for no reason.06:24
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bob2cafeuego is an op?06:24
tsumeAmaranth: I never said/wanted that06:24
Amaranthtsume: he provides the ubuto bot and it nothing but helpful06:24
Amaranthbob2: no06:24
bob2so what on earth is tsume whinging about?06:24
Amarantherr, ubotu06:24
Amaranthbob2: Appearently the fact that he is in the channel at all has him pissed.06:25
tsumeAmaranth: big whoop. I could provide a dozen bots if asked06:25
bob2tsume: if you have a problem with anything in particular, tell me or Amaranth 06:25
bob2if you don't like him as a person, you're free to /ignore him06:25
daniels'he is there' is not a valid reason for banning someone who hasn't done anything bad towards ubuntu in the past, and that's all there is to it.  if you have anything specific in #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu to complain about, feel free to do it, but for the time being, this pointless discussion is clogging up #ubuntu-devel, and I consider it ended here.06:25
AmaranthWhat daniels said.06:25
bob2amen06:26
bob2daniels: ps tart o'clock06:26
tsumedaniels: "Amaranth: I never said/wanted that"06:26
Amaranthxbase-clients isn't broken anymore, is it?06:33
danielsnope06:33
tsumewhat was the problem with it?06:38
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Keybukmeh, I hate brown paper bags :(07:00
fabbioneKeybuk: what did you do this time? :P07:01
Keybukdh_install can't rename things, so something ended up in a directory with the filename I wanted it to have07:01
fabbioneah07:02
Keybukof course, this is a fucking difficult problem to undo :p07:03
Keybukso I'm going to hope very hard that this particular deb never sees the light of day07:04
fabbioneKeybuk: how long ago did you upload it ? and where? :)07:06
Keybukabout 5 minutes, to Debian07:07
fabbioneoh you have plenty of time to upload the old one :)07:07
Keybukthe fixed one :p07:07
Keybukof course, this gives away which package just got fucked up07:07
fabbioneKeybuk: if you uploaded only 5 minutes ago, there should be no packages built with it07:08
KeybukI haven't maintained libtool in a while ... <g>07:09
Keybukif that's what you thought I meant07:09
Amaranthshould we be thankful? :)07:09
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pittiMorning07:16
bob2hey pitti 07:16
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svenlKamion: you there ? 07:29
svenlor elmo ?07:29
svenli wanted to investigate on the segfault issues you are seing on ppc buildds and which fabbione said you qualify as "normal" ?07:30
fabbionesvenl: there is a bug in bugzilla for it07:31
fabbionehttps://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=159607:31
svenloh, cool.07:32
svenlthat bug report doesn't say much, and i suppose the comment from elmo means it also appears on debian's dual G4 buildds.07:38
fabbionei start to believe it's a gcc problem07:39
fabbionesame kernel different gcc more segfaults07:39
svenlif you find out, please tell me per mail. I will be mostly offline until friday. Going to the IBM power.org event in barcelona.07:41
svenlnot sure about connectivity.07:42
fabbionei doubt i am going to spend too much time on it07:44
lifelessanyone know if the 0000:02:01.2 0805: Ricoh Co Ltd: Unknown device 0822 (rev 17) has drivers under development ?07:56
bob2memory card reader?07:56
lifelessAFACT its the SD potion of the roch R5C552 which does have drivers07:56
lifeless*ricoh*07:57
lifelessbob2: yes, single chip firewire/SD 07:57
lifelessthe CF works fine, except for pmount/hal/gnome-volume-manager hating it07:58
pittilifeless: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingRemovableDevices07:58
lifelesspitti: thanks07:58
lifelesspitti: so you would like me to run up those logs and file a bugzilla bug >07:59
lifeless?07:59
pittilifeless: yes, either that or just mail me08:00
lifelessok08:07
lifelesswill do 08:07
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fabbioneelmo: can you please upgrade breezy{,-i386} on concordia?08:53
fabbione(i need the new kernel-wedge)08:53
fabbionemeh08:53
fabbionekernel-package08:53
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danielsso, in summary, yeah, that's a gnome bug -- file it on libgtk2.0-010:01
danielspreferably severity critical10:01
seb128hey daniels 10:01
danielsyo seb :)10:02
seb128what are you trying to do to gtk again? :)10:02
danielsnothing really, was just checking if you were watching IRC or whether it was too early10:02
seb128ah ah10:02
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Treenaksdaniels: RoboSeb128 vs RealSeb128 ?10:03
danielsroboseb128 might explain the days where he uploads 50 new upstream versions of packages10:03
Treenaksdaniels: so would cloning10:04
seb128elmo: could you fix libecal1.2-3 beeing universe instead of main? :)10:04
pittiHi seb128 10:06
seb128hey pitti 10:06
seb128grumpf10:07
seb128lib/ephy-dbus.c:254: undefined reference to `dbus_connection_close'10:07
danielspitti: yo10:07
danielsseb128: er?  that changed??10:07
seb128I guess that's dbus_connection_disconnect () now ?10:07
danielsgod10:08
seb128daniels: apparently10:08
seb128/usr/include/dbus-1.0 has no mention to `dbus_connection_close'10:08
daniels'spose, yeah10:08
danielshold onhold on10:09
danielsare you updating to a new upstream version?10:09
danielsif so, iirc thom put in a patch to make ephy fine with the new dbus APIs into the last upstream version10:09
danielsso you probably want to grab that10:09
seb128hum10:10
seb128I'm updating to 1.7.1 yep 10:11
seb128and upstream code has stuff like10:11
seb128#ifdef HAVE_NEW_DBUS10:11
seb128dbus_connection_close (bus);10:11
seb128#else10:11
seb128dbus_connection_disconnect (bus);10:11
seb128#endif10:11
seb12810:11
seb128the issue is just this one beeing reversed apparently10:11
danielsheh10:11
danielswhoohoo! :)10:11
fabbioneKamion: ping?10:12
seb128daniels: the current package is using thom's patch10:13
fabbioneYAY for yet another ppc segfaults10:15
fabbioneinfinity: can we add somekind of option to get ppc buildd's to build the kernel, but not to upload it?10:18
fabbioneor put it in @no_auto_build and process it manually?10:18
fabbionei have to review the build logs before binaries upload10:18
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fabbioneTrying patch debian/patches/06_translations.patch at level 0...1...2...failure. <- gksu10:26
fabbioneseb128: ^^10:26
seb128_k, thanks10:26
seb128_mvo: you broke gksu :)10:26
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seb128_roh10:26
seb128_bad guy10:26
seb128_gtk did the sync for you? :)10:27
fabbionewe need a better FTBFS notification10:27
seb128_right10:27
pittidebgtksync10:27
fabbioneand people to pre-build prio upload10:27
pittifabbione: elmo's testing environment should pick this up in the future10:27
seb128_we need a FTFBS notification rather10:27
seb128_there is no atm10:27
fabbioneseb128_: well a local build is not that expensive10:27
fabbioneat least one :)10:28
seb128_I do local builds, but not pbuilder builds10:28
fabbioneseb128_: a local build would catch at least 90% of the problems like that one10:28
fabbionea patch that doesn't apply is not really pbuilder/sbuild related10:28
seb128_yeah, don't say that to me, I do local builds ... mvo did the sync :)10:28
fabbioneeheh10:28
mvoI check it now10:28
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mvoI'm puzzled because I always testbuild/run the stuff10:29
infinityAuto-FTBFS notification can be done, methinks.10:29
fabbioneinfinity: is it possible to do the above???10:29
mvothat would be cool!10:29
seb128_would be nice10:29
fabbioneinfinity: i mean the kernel stuff10:29
infinityfabbione : build the ppc kernels without uploading?10:29
fabbioneinfinity: yes10:29
infinityfabbione : Not the way things currently work (unless I take a buildd offline and build manually)10:30
seb128_sometime I notice 2 weeks after an upload when a guy say "how come than we don't have the new gnome-whatever"10:30
fabbioneinfinity: what about @no_auto_build and build it manually?10:30
infinityfabbione : The way things currently are, it would need to be uploaded to a seperate dist, so it didn't get autosigned and uploaded.10:30
fabbioneinfinity: if the buildd are similar to davis i must see the logs before upload10:31
infinityLog your own build output and grep for errors in debian/rules check :)10:31
fabbioneinfinity: i just got a segfault that was not detected as fatal while building vmlinuz10:31
fabbioneinfinity: the buildd would kill something like that10:31
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fabbioneinfinity: > 150 minutes10:31
infinityNot if you tee it to the log and stdout.10:31
fabbioneinfinity: is buildd hw the same as davis?10:32
infinityI'm all for more autobuilding, not less.  Anything we need to by hand, we need to ask "why?"10:32
fabbionei am really not sure if it is hw or gcc related10:32
infinityThe PPC buildds do segfault occasionally, yes.10:33
fabbioneinfinity: oh but i am not asking for a permanent solution10:33
fabbioneinfinity: i just want one or two checks10:33
fabbionethen it can go by itself again10:33
fabbione(given that it works...)10:33
fabbioneinfinity: i know about the random segfaults10:33
infinityNot sure what kind of machine davis is, but the buildds are all G5 XServes.10:33
fabbionebut here we are talking about an average of 8 to 10 on a single kernel build run10:33
fabbioneinfinity: they are the same :/10:34
infinityLooks like it, yes.10:35
infinityseb128, mvo : How would you guys like to see Auto-FTBFS stuff?... I can't very well aim at the Changed-By address, as it's not always correct, and for autosyncs it would break miserably.10:36
infinityI could have elmo set up a specific list you could track, or I could auto-file bugs.10:37
infinityI don't like autofiling bugs, though.10:37
mvoinfinity: is there a way to detect autosyncs and not send a mail to the changed-by address in that case (and send one in all other cases)?10:38
infinityWell, in theory, unless elmo changes it, all autosyncs are Changed-By katie@jackass.10:42
infinityRelying on that feels fragile, though. :)10:42
pittielmo: please sync postgresql-{7.4,8.0,common} from experimental and postgresql from Debian/incoming; this also needs some NEW love. TIA10:42
pittiphear your databases10:43
infinitymvo : I'll think of something.10:43
mvoinfinity: cool, thanks!10:44
infinitymvo : I'll bounce them off a list to start with, just to make sure the output is sane, then we'll see if we can detect appropriate people (uploaders, or whatever) to CC.10:44
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fabbioneinfinity: well i will upload and see...10:47
fabbioneinfinity: davis is segfaultorama10:47
infinityI blame the kernel team.10:48
fabbionei blame gcc10:48
fabbioneit was not that bad with the old gcc10:48
fabbionei am dead serious10:48
infinityHave you tested identical builds with gcc-3.3, and with older glibc, and, and?10:48
fabbioneinfinity: yes. i always do a test build run before upload10:48
fabbioneinfinity: i was getting a random kill once very 10/12 builds?10:49
fabbionenow we are at 10 kills per build10:49
fabbionealmost 100 times more10:49
infinityLovely. :/10:49
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kokehi all!10:49
pittiHi koke10:50
infinityfabbione : Want to toss the sources my way, and I'll spin them on some drastically different hardware?10:50
infinityfabbione : Different kernel too, but otherwise, it'd be current breezy.10:50
fabbioneinfinity: it's on the way to jackass now10:50
kokemvo: I'd like to work on FindingPackages :)10:50
fabbioneinfinity: so you can just grab it as soon as it's in the archive10:50
kokeand let google to pay me...10:50
infinityfabbione : Alright, I'll spin them on my machine and give you the build log.10:51
pittiinfinity: btw, can you do syncs?10:51
infinityfabbione : If it's userspace, it should break the same.  If it's hardware or kernel, my machine might be fine.10:51
infinitypitti : Nope.10:51
fabbioneinfinity: i hope you have an idea on how long it will take :)10:51
infinityfabbione : <shrug>... I can leave it overnight.  I don't much care. :)10:51
mvokoke: that sounds good 10:52
fabbioneinfinity: you will still need to try to build a few times10:52
infinityfabbione : No problem, I can loop it. :)10:52
fabbioneinfinity: it's not 100% predictable10:52
fabbioneinfinity: and if it builds.. the next step would be to install elmo's kernel on your box10:52
fabbioneinfinity: if it builds.. than it's the hardware :)10:52
infinityfabbione : Yup.10:52
fabbioneinfinity: also try the stock kernel would be useful10:52
infinity(My kernel is a pure upstram 2.6.11.11 with no patches and a very barebones .config)10:52
infinityWhich is a luxury I have due to havient seriously ancient hardware.10:53
fabbioneinfinity: elmo does build his own10:53
infinitys/havient/having/  <stares at his fingers>10:53
fabbioneok10:53
elmofabbione: it's your source, just a custom config, FWIW10:53
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fabbioneelmo: i know.. but a change in the config can make a big difference :)10:54
fabbioneelmo: i am not blaming it on you.. i am just analysing all the options given that davis has been segfaultorama since yesterday and it's having some I/O problems10:55
infinityOh, hey.  Look at the time.  I'm in volunteer mode now.10:56
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fabbioneinfinity: ehhehe10:56
infinityfabbione : How many images does this current source build?10:56
fabbioneinfinity: 810:56
infinityJoy.10:56
fabbioneinfinity: hell of a lot :)10:56
fabbioneinfinity: i just added ppc64 :)10:57
infinityIs all the biarch stuff in current breezy now?10:57
fabbioneelmo: the new kernel will need some NEW love10:57
fabbioneinfinity: yes10:57
infinityI don't need any hand-built packages?10:57
infinityOh, good.10:57
fabbioneinfinity: just satisfy the build-dep and you are done ;)10:57
infinityHuzzah.10:57
fabbione linux-image-2.6.12-1-powerpc64-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.12 on PowerPC 64 SMP.10:57
fabbione linux-image-2.6.12-1-iseries-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.12 on PowerPC iSeries SMP.10:58
daniels\o/10:58
fabbionebut for now we have udebs only for ppc6410:58
fabbionenot the iseries10:58
elmowhy iseries and powerpc64?10:59
fabbioneelmo: ppc64 will replace power3 and power4. iseries needs to be special cased10:59
infinityBecause ppc64 is generic (Macintosh G5, pSeries), iSeries is specific to iSeries machines.10:59
fabbioneelmo: but since i can't test anything of the above direclty.. i didn't want to kill power3 and power4 in the first run11:00
infinitysvenl suggest pseries/iseries, but Kamion and I both asked "then what do I install on my Apple?"11:00
elmonever mind kernel image names, we need to fix that stuff in yaboot11:01
fabbioneelmo: for curiosity, when an arch builds some new binaries and they need NEW love... is the entire set of binaries placed on hold or only the new ones?11:03
fabbione(like in the kernel case)11:03
elmofabbione: the whole thing11:03
infinityThe whole .changes.11:03
elmokatie deals in units of whole uploads11:03
fabbioneelmo: great! please don't NEW ppc if it builds11:03
fabbionei will ping you back after checking the logs11:03
fabbionei386 can be newed11:04
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infinity(You realise he probably already added the overrides while we were talking)11:04
infinity(Just to irritate you)11:04
fabbione(dude.... i know elmo is a machine.. but i still have hope he can temporary revert it ;))11:04
elmoI figure jackass could use some diskspace before I deal with NEW etc.11:08
fabbioneelmo: ehhehe11:09
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kokemvo: do you know how to fix https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=13306 ??11:39
kokeI tried to run gnome-app-install as user and only synaptic as root11:39
kokebut then I can't pass the selections to synaptic :(11:40
mvokoke: it's pretty hard to fix it in gksu, a better way is probalby to add ---set-selection-file in synaptic11:42
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seb128elmo: around?11:47
mvokoke: it's pretty hard to fix it in gksu, a better way is probalby to add ---set-selection-file in synaptic11:48
mjg59Uh. Can anyone actually run gok in Hoary?11:49
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danielsmjg59: gok works fine, gdk breaks11:49
danielser, gdb11:49
mjg59I'm just typing "gok"11:50
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mjg59Oh. Now I get "Could not locate registry, aborting"11:51
mjg59Which means at-spi isn't running11:51
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seb128elmo: have you fixed libecal1.2-3 beeing universe? 11:55
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kokemvo: yep, but gksu should pass the stdin to the child proccess, IMO12:04
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jordipitti: hello!12:06
mvokoke: yes. I talked to kov (upstream of gksu) about it and he told me that it's not easy to do (I haven't looked myself)12:06
jordipitti: in case you haven't noticed yet, 1.0.9 incoming12:06
pittiyay12:07
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jordipitti: jdthood and I are looking at the set-default-card stuff12:07
jordipitti: do you think that should go in Debian mroe or less as it is?12:07
mjg59800MHz Celerons = teh suck12:08
pittijordi: that probably depends on whether you want to depend on python 12:08
pittijordi: we don't need in Ubuntu since we have python-minimal12:08
pittijordi: I sent the stuff to gnome upstream, they are looking at it, too12:08
pittijordi: maybe they reimplement it in C, or something12:08
jordipitti: nod.12:09
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jordipitti: I dunno, I sense debian will get that python-minimal stuff too12:09
pittijordi: that would really rock12:10
kokemvo: maybe patching sudo to have a --password-fd option...12:10
jordidoko: do you know if there has been talk of that for etch?12:10
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alleemjg59: I looked at keycodes of external USB keyboard (Dell).  Nothing (kernlog, xev).  Any other tools to 'debug' this?12:11
mjg59allee: Oh. With USB, i'm not sure12:12
mvoping doko 12:12
dokojordi: "that" is what?12:12
dokomvo: pong12:12
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mvokoke: could be a option but it would be hard to get that into all distros that gksu supports12:12
alleemjg59: ah and evbug shows nothing too.  I'll try to borrow some Logitech keyb.  and see if it's a 'general' problem.12:13
alleemjg59: n.p.12:13
jordidoko: Debian having python-minimal in base12:13
dokoI'll upload -minimal, but I don't know, if it will arrive in -base ...12:14
jordihow big is minimal?12:16
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jordidoko: we're discussing adding the Ubuntu alsa python stuff in the Debian packages, but that makes us depend on python. If that's gong to hapen in a reasonable timeframe, we might want to wait for -minimal maybe12:17
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dokojordi: 700k, 2MB installed12:19
pittijordi: if not, rewriting it in perl is not a biggie12:19
dokopitti: you're nasty ...12:19
jordii'd prefer not to do that :)12:19
pittidoko: no, I'm realistic12:20
pittidoko: I'm not going to write it in C, if you or jordi wants to, that's fine for me :-)12:20
mdkemjg59, would you give me some advice on laptop-related issues? Not to worry if you're busy atm12:20
jordiI think it's reasonable to think python will make it in base for etch12:20
jordipithat would make 12:20
jordialsa-base arh any, I think that's not cool.12:21
jordidamn arch any12:21
mjg59mdke: Sure12:22
mdkemjg59, thanks, is /query ok?12:22
mjg59mdke: Yeah12:22
bob2mjg59: what data should someone send in with a "the wifi kill sswitch on my laptop doesn't work on linux" bug?12:23
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mjg59bob2: What sort of laptop they have12:24
bob2mjg59: that's all? no dsdt/etc?12:25
mjg59bob2: For now, yeah12:25
bob2mjg59: 'k12:25
bob2mjg59: on "linux"?12:25
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-love for getting involved | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | Ubuntu 5.04 is released! | MOM is awake! | Colony CD 1 released | gcc4 transition finished, breezy probably well broken, uploads of C++ packages in universe restricted || yes, xbase-clients is broken. no, it's not fixed yet.
=== Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by daniels at Wed Jun 1 18:07:16 2005
=== #ubuntu-devel [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
(Nafallo/#ubuntu-devel) zul: sync rt2500 cvs, kthanxbai :-)12:48
Riddelllamont: I've added hppa as an architecture to kubuntu-desktop (you might want to check it to ensure I did it properly)12:56
Kamionelmo: please sync perl and libgetargs-long-perl01:01
Kamionelmo: (perl from experimental)01:02
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:fabbione] : Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-love for getting involved | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | Ubuntu 5.04 is released! | MOM is awake! | Colony CD 1 released | gcc4 transition finished, breezy probably well broken, uploads of C++ packages in universe restricted || don't use ppc64 kernels yet. wait for the next release kthxbye.
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KeybukKamion: was to experimental anyway01:33
KamionKeybuk: well, either01:35
seb128Keybuk: can I use hct to repackage gdm now? 01:38
Keybukwhy, did you break something?01:38
Keybukseb128: no, cause gdm won't import :(  haven't had time to work out why yet01:38
KamionKeybuk: it's goodness, not breakage01:38
seb128no, but when I asked like 2-3 weeks ago you said gdm is no imported yet01:38
fabbioneprobably Keybuk means: "why.. do you need to break something?"01:38
Keybukseb128: the first was to Kamion01:39
seb128oh, k :)01:39
seb128Keybuk: any idea if that's going to be fixed soon?01:39
Keybukit's on my list of things to look at01:39
seb128in the bottom of 478 other items? :p01:40
Keybuknah, import problems are near the top01:40
seb128k, thanks01:40
jordiseb128: you're going to use the cdbs packaging we have in ubuntu?01:42
jordilucky01:42
seb128jordi: yep, that's the plan01:44
dokoKamion, elmo: please move lib32z1 and lib32z1-dev to main01:46
ogramjg59, thom, ping01:57
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tsenghi ogra!02:02
ograhey tseng 02:03
ogratseng, why isnt monodevelop available for me ? it builds fine in my pbuilder....and works great too02:03
tsengogra: ill look for the log. maybe the arch isnt set right02:04
tsengyep02:04
ograah, ok02:04
tsengwe need to add amd64 to it02:04
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tsengi have stuff building up to do..02:05
tsenguntil my key is moved for main and i can fix mono on ppc02:06
tsengi dont want to upload a bunch of stuff that will just ftbfs on ppc02:06
ograah, ok02:06
jane_is the warthogs wiki down?02:07
bob2JaneW: wfm!02:08
JaneWbob2: sorry wrong # and huh?02:09
tseng"works for me"02:09
bob2JaneW: works for me.02:09
JaneWbob2: oic, ta...02:09
JaneWhmm I can send and receive mail and IRC, but not browse the web02:10
bob2it's a No-Work-Monday!02:10
\shright02:10
tsengthose are the best kind.02:10
\shg'afternoon btw02:10
ograbob2, where ? 02:10
bob2ogra: only in capetown, sadly02:11
SimiraUS and au, I think?02:11
ograoh02:11
bob2ogra: unless your intarweb is broken, too02:11
ograheh..02:11
NafalloSweden is no-work to :-)02:11
ograor youre in .de02:11
Nafalloas in. everything is closed :-P.02:12
bob2next monday is an actual public holiday here02:12
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Simirawe have no public holidays until christmas or something now, I think02:14
SimiraJaneW: troublesome connection today?02:14
zulwe have like one everymonth02:14
Nafallozul: you saw my message earlier? :-)02:15
zulNafallo: yes i wont be able to do it today because ill be out most of the day02:16
Nafallozul: they have fixed connection to aps without essid :-)02:16
Nafallozul: ahh, oki. I should have pinged you yesterday I guess ;-)02:16
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mjg59ogra: Hi02:18
ogramjg59, the power manager is packaged so far here... i'm pondering to upload it, since it doesnt do anything useful yet02:19
mjg59ogra: Heh. Upload it to universe to make it easier to hack on?02:20
ograit sends out dbus messages that nobody recieves yet... i guess we need a listener daemon or something similar02:20
bob2nifty02:20
tsengi think if we make every component of the desktop depend on d-bus for no reason02:21
tsengthere will be no more hunger02:21
tsengand hunger is bad.02:21
thomtseng: that was a very rob love comment02:21
lamontRiddell: won't make much difference until arts stops ICEing, but thanks02:21
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`anthonybob2: ah yes, the one day a year where all australians are happy to have the monarchy still...02:22
bob2`anthony: we'll totally replace it with Drink To The Republic Day when we kick her out02:22
`anthonysure, we have a foreign descendant of a family of inbreeds as our head of state, but! long weekend! long weekend!02:22
thombob2: pfft, the country will fall apart before you get a chance to02:23
`anthonybob2: Viva La Revolution!02:23
bob2thom: hey, the Falklands did just fine without the queen.02:23
`anthonybob2: aside from that little invasion issue.02:24
`anthonyfortunately, maggie's not in power any more, so Australia could probably become a republic without the threat of invasion now.02:24
thombob2: better start brushing up on your spanish then02:24
Riddelllamont: what's the issue with arts and ICE?02:25
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lamontRiddell: arts is ftbfs: gcc- internal compiler error (ICE)02:28
lamontICE!=ice :)02:28
lamontI need to reduce that down to a test case, and then file a gcc-bug02:28
`anthonyso gcc4 not quite ready for primetime then?02:30
tseng`anthony: seems to be something like 90%02:30
ogra`anthony, only for c++ ... but who uses c++ software anyway ;) 02:30
`anthonyonly stinky hippies.02:31
KamionC++ seems more designed for suits than hippies :)02:31
ogra`anthony, nope, i'm using gnome here *g*02:31
tsengsome kid in here the other day told me we'd better rewrite beagle in C++02:31
MithrandirKamion: with all that crack?02:31
KamionMithrandir: good point02:32
ogratseng, at least the dependencys would match then ;)02:32
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ograheh02:32
tsengstupid monodis02:32
ograyep02:32
tsengupstream is working on a similar tool to dh_cli that they use for rpms02:33
tsengnot sure if it will be better or worse02:33
jbaileyKamion: I would *not* trust a suit with the type of machinery that is c++. =)02:34
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ograjbailey, come on, as long as he carrys his clipboard and stopwatch with him ....02:37
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winklehm, 404 on libxml-libxml-common-perl_0.13-5_i386.deb and libxml-libxml-perl_1.58-0.3_i386.deb on hoary02:49
winklexmltv uninstallable02:49
tseng404?02:50
tsenghm.02:50
winklenot found in archive02:50
tsengis that from security?02:51
tsengthe archive has 1.5602:51
truluxlalala02:52
winklehm and 0.13-402:52
truluxpitti: ping02:52
pittitrulux: pong02:52
truluxpitti: I will receive the patch for the fs capabilities stuff from a fellow hopefully today02:52
pittinice02:53
truluxpitti: for the pid randomization stuff I'll need to know if it should be enabled by default02:53
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pittitrulux: yes, why not02:54
truluxpitti: OK, will do right now02:54
pittitrulux: since the modules will not be loaded by default for now, the good stuff should be on if they are loaded02:54
pittitrulux: if everything works, we could make them loaded by default, but we have to test it thoroughly first02:54
truluxpitti: PIDs randomization can't be implemented as module02:54
pittitrulux: I thought you can use LSM for everything?02:55
pittitrulux: btw, that's #u-h stuff :-)02:55
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truluxpitti: OK, let's get it there :)02:55
truluxpitti: PIDs are managed by the kenrel task scheduler, etc02:55
truluxpitti: LSM has no access to the point where the pid gets initialized02:56
truluxpitti: that's init stuff (check child_reaper)02:56
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fabbioneelmo, lamont, infinity: what's the status with the last kernel upload for i386/ppc build? 03:17
dokoelmo: please could you update the breezy chroot on concordia (just apt-get update)?03:17
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elmodoko: already done03:18
elmoKamion/pitti/seb128: done03:19
dokoelmo: thanks03:19
pittielmo: thanks; I'll upload a new psql 8.0 shortly, had to fix some things03:19
elmofabbione: i386's still building, which means ppc probably is too03:19
fabbioneelmo: ok thanks03:19
fabbioneelmo: we have a working ppc64 kernel now.. (not the one in the archive)03:20
fabbioneelmo: should we give it a spin on davis?03:20
elmofabbione: will it "just build" with an-up-todate breezy chroot, if I want to build my own?03:21
pittielmo: will new versions uploaded to experimental be automatically synced?03:21
elmopitti: no, sorry03:21
seb128elmo: thanks03:21
elmopitti: syncing from experimental's easy tho, just ping me03:21
fabbioneelmo: yes. the sources are in my home on davis, but i would love if you can also test the stock kernel03:21
pittielmo: alright, thanks03:22
elmofabbione: hmm, ok.  can't right now (there's an IBM engineer in the way), but will do while I'm down here03:22
fabbioneelmo: specially because the config is tweaked to actually work :)03:22
pittiyay, new PostgreSQL in Breezy03:22
fabbioneelmo: sure.. no problem. i have no rush03:22
Treenakspitti: \o/03:22
Treenakspitti: could you send me the list of affected universe packages again, so I can test-build/upload them this week?03:23
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pittiTreenaks: sure, I'll followup to -devel shortly with some instructions and patch pointers03:23
pittiTreenaks: I prepared most of the main patches already03:24
pittiHi stub 03:24
stubhi03:24
Treenakspitti: cool03:24
pittistub: psql 8 is in breezy :-)03:24
stubpitti: Cool. I'll tell elmo to upgrade emperor tomorrow.03:24
pittierm...03:25
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pittistub: however, testing highly appreciated (on non-production machines *hehe*)03:29
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pittielmo: please sync postgresql-8.0 from debian/incoming03:34
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whiprushmako: it ends up that JohnDong lives like 5 minutes from where I work, we'll sign his key and assimilate him into the LoCo.03:51
ograwhiprush, yeah03:52
whiprushheh, had I known this I could have worked on him for 2 release cycles to become an motu.03:53
whiprushperhaps I can find new ways to motivate him. :)03:53
ograwhiprush, go ahead, i'm also working on his MOTUness ;)03:53
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ograwhiprush, he wants (and we too.... somehow) to have the backports in an official archive... so he wont get around becoming a MOTU for uploading ;)03:55
ograseb128, ping03:55
seb128pong03:55
ograseb128, seems we need to tighten the dependencys for serpentine a bit....03:56
ograseb128, https://developer.berlios.de/bugs/?func=detailbug&bug_id=3939&group_id=308103:56
makowhiprush: awesome :)03:56
seb128not a surprise03:56
ograthe older hal seems to miss a handful of settings...03:56
ograseb128, and second ping.... do i find gnome-about-me in the cvs already ?03:57
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Clintdoes it have freon?03:57
makoClint: quite probably03:58
Clintgood deal03:58
whiprushogra: I read the meeting log. I'll work on him seeing the light. He's just young.03:58
makoClint: once i helped a friend install a freon-powered boat-horn into his honda prelude03:58
makoit sounded like a barge03:59
makodidn't want to cut him off in a tunnel03:59
dilingermako: heh, had you asked a year ago, i could've given you 3 free a/cs03:59
ograwhiprush, great, all Uvelopers will owe you something for that :)03:59
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makodilinger: last night i had trouble sleeping.. craigslist had one for $10 :) the cab to get it home will cost twice than i think04:00
dilingermako: my roommate and i ended up w/ 5 a/cs somehow; we lived on the 3rd floor, so we ended up leaving 3 when we moved.  damned things are so heavy :)04:00
makoyeah, getting this upstairs is gonna be fun04:00
Clintyou could have just used gravity to get them down04:00
makoClint: david nusinow?04:00
makohe's kinda shrimpy04:01
seb128ogra: serpentine use the n-c-b 2.10 or 2.11 API?04:01
seb128ogra: gnome-about-me is for like 6 months on the CVS04:01
seb128but I don't think it's usuable04:01
ograseb128, good question, ill find it out04:01
makothe owners claim it can be good as new with a little bit of cardboard :)04:02
mako(it is $10 after all)04:02
Clintcardboard in place of what?04:02
ograseb128, we need something to change the password and its required for http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/DotUbuntuRegistrationClient it seems....04:02
makoClint: the little fit-it-to-the-window-wings04:03
makoor one of them04:03
ograseb128, there is a bounty for it, do you know anyone we could push that to ?04:03
makoClint: evidently, the frmae for the wing is there, but the flexible fabric stuff is gone04:03
seb128ogra: no04:04
ograhmm, sad04:04
Clintahh04:04
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pittiHi lamont__ 04:06
lamont__morning pitti04:06
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seb128lamont_r: is evolution waiting for something?04:24
lamont_rwas dep-wait-ish... checking04:25
lamont_r  evolution-data-server-dev: Depends: libedata-cal1.2-dev (= 1.3.2-0ubuntu1) but t is not going to be installed04:25
lamont_r*404:25
seb128that should be fixed, no?04:26
seb128pool/main/e/evolution-data-server/libecal1.2-3_1.3.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb04:26
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seb128elmo fixed that like 1 hour ago04:26
seb128it was universe due to soname change04:27
lamont_rah, ok04:27
seb128the buildd doesn't detect such changes?04:27
seb128universe to main move I mean04:27
lamont_rthe issue is more basic than that...04:27
lamont_rif the failure is that a build-dep can't be found, or a newer version is explicitly specified, then it catches it just fine (and the package being in universe causes it to retry every cron.daily run, which is yet a different bug)04:28
lamont_rif the failure is that foo Build-Depends bar, but bar is _uninistallable_, then I get a failure message, and manual intervention is required.04:29
lamont_ron good days, I can dep-wait it on something.  On bad days, I can't, or haven't.04:29
seb128I see04:29
seb128thanks04:29
lamont_r(basically, the auto-dep-waiter handles the first, but not the second case)04:30
lamont_rlikewise, if the package Build-Depends on a virtual package, then I eventually have to clear the dep-wait manually, since w-b doesn't deal with virtual packages. :-(04:30
lamont_rI hate virtual package deps...04:30
lamont_r] 04:30
seb128he he04:31
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mvoping mdz04:57
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Mithrandirhmm, what's the tool used for building rsyncable CD images used on i386 called again?05:00
Kamionpartimage05:01
Mithrandirah, thanks.05:01
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{Seb}hey all05:33
{Seb}is xorg fixed?05:33
{Seb}thing in topic has gone!05:33
mdzmvo: pong05:34
dooglus{Seb}: it's OK here05:34
{Seb}yey!05:35
{Seb}i can upgrade to breezy now and get inotify05:35
dooglus{Seb}: GNOME doesn't want to start for me unless I kill esd a few times, but other than that...05:35
dooglus{Seb}: apt-cache search inotify didn't give me any outp...  oh well.05:36
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dokoKamion: is there a way to determine all binaries in an archive, which are not built by a source package anymore?05:39
Kamiondoko: one of the tools in the katie suite does that, namely rene05:40
Kamionany particular thing you're interested in?05:41
dokoyes, find out all source packages, which have binaries depending on libstdc++5, but don't consider binaries without recent sources05:42
dokoKamion, I assume rene runs on the archive machine only?05:43
Kamionyes05:43
doko:-(05:43
Kamioncurrently the list is hamlib3++, icomlib1, libinti-gl1, libinti-sourceview1, libinventor0c102, liblog4cpp1c102, libpgtcl, libpgtcl-dev, python2.3-kde305:44
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dokonot more? that's not much05:44
dokoanyway, thanks05:45
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Kamionno, not more05:45
SloMo_Amaranth: any news with smeg?05:49
AmaranthSloMo_: sorry, no05:49
AmaranthSloMo_: it's on my todo list for today, if i wake up :)05:50
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Kamiondoko: lib32z1, lib32z1-dev moved to main06:00
fabbioneelmo: can you please NEW the ppc kernel?06:00
fabbioneelmo: i am happy with the build. davis needs love. kthxbye06:01
fabbione;)06:01
elmodone06:03
makomdz: hey dude.. 06:03
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fabbioneelmo: thanks :)06:03
{Seb}hi all06:03
{Seb}which kernel in breezy has inotify06:04
{Seb}2.6.11 or 2.6.12?06:04
makomdz: verdict on the ul packages? we should move quick06:04
fabbione2.6.1206:04
{Seb}as x is no longer broekn06:04
{Seb}i'm upgrading06:04
{Seb}so i can do beagle testing06:04
mdzmako: dude, I only heard about this on Saturday06:05
herzidoko: gdb?06:06
herzi*blinzel*06:06
{Seb}is there any change i could make a custom hoary kernel with inotify?06:08
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jdthoodI have a question about the Ubuntu alsa-driver package.06:10
pittijdthood: just ask it :-)06:10
jdthoodI understand a lot of ubuntu's patch.  However, I wonder about:06:11
jdthood-unmute_and_set_level "PCM,1" "90%"06:11
jdthood+unmute_and_set_level "PCM,1" "70%"06:11
makomdz: alright.. i'll let you breath :)06:11
makomdz: FOR NOW06:11
jdthoodand similar changes.  Are there reasons for these changes?06:12
makomdz: you knew i'd been making the packages, right? there have been a few threadson -devel06:12
ogramako, where is the prob ? cant you upload ?06:12
jdthoodI mean, did Ubuntu scientists in white coats determine that 70% was a better default value than 90% for the majority of users, or what?06:12
pittijdthood: probably, otherwise it wouldn't have been made :-) is there any changelog entry related to this?06:12
makoogra: um.. i think i did upload06:12
pittijdthood: it indeed might be06:12
makoogra: mark wants the in hoary-updates06:13
pittijdthood: at least for me (however, I didn't do the change, mdz maybe)06:13
ogramako, OH !06:13
Kamionwe had some incredibly long conversation about the default volume settings06:13
jdthoodpitti: In 1.0.5a-1ubuntu3: * Unmute Master, PCM, Synth controls at boot and set them to 70% volume06:13
jdthood-- Matt Zimmerman06:13
makoogra: i uploaded them on friday or saturday i think but they need to approved06:14
KamionI remember either bugs or mailing list posts of the form "warty sounds nearly blew my eardrums"06:14
Kamion(after doing auto-unmute-at-boot)06:14
ogramako, yep06:14
pittiin addition, 90% often causes clipping effects06:14
makoogra: i think my ubuntu.com address is not whitelisted.. or wasn't at the time06:15
makoso i'm not entirely clear what's going on :)06:15
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jdthoodHrm, OK I guess I'll adopt the ubuntu values upstream then.06:15
pittijdthood: you don't experience clipping with 90%? I do on both of my machines06:17
mdzmako: oh, yes, I knew you were working on them, but the "we're ready to put them into hoary-updates" is new to me06:17
mdzjdthood: yes, it was made in response to user feedback and some simplistic tests06:18
makomdz: mark suggested it like, no joke, 2 hours after hoary was released06:19
mdzjdthood: our goal was to have a volume where _something_ could be heard by default on as many systems as possible, and in consideration of the fact that it was better for the user to be able to hear a quiet sound (and know to turn the volume up) than to have a sound play too loud06:19
mdzmako: yes, I remember06:19
mdzmako: but you didn't even have packages yet at that point, did you?06:19
mdz(ones that you were satisfied with)06:19
makowell, i didn't have pacakges that the userlinux guys were satisfied with06:20
makoand i think not me either06:20
Mithrandirmdz: apparently, the ooo changes I did for amd64 so printing works with the gtk frontend is ok (or at least I haven't gotten any reports about it being broken) so we might want to consider it for hoary-updates.06:20
makoi can't remember.. they weren't upload able then06:20
mdzMithrandir: ok, mail me the proposed debdiff?06:21
jdthoodmdz: How about we compromise on the binary-friendly figure of 75%?06:21
Mithrandirmdz: ok06:21
wasabi_mdz, i know you wanted to get the java stuff done, but I'm hung up on xerces. It's probably going to be awhile.06:22
wasabi_I can give you an overview of the problem as I see it though.06:22
mdzwasabi_: I saw you mention that it failed to build; is it a xerces problem or a compiler problem?06:23
wasabi_Sorta both.06:24
wasabi_The Debian maintainer is doing something a litlte bit hacky in it. He's including in debian/dom2-sources source copies of another package (a DOM2 implementation) to compile xerces against.06:25
wasabi_And he's using a compiler trick to compile against it without compiling it.06:25
wasabi_Which seems to work with jikes but not with ecj.06:25
wasabi_And that's where I left off.06:25
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makothis makoto guy on #ubuntu is rendering my nick highlying completely useless there06:28
maswanmako: the trick is to teach your irc client not to highlight on it as a part of a longer word.06:28
Mithrandirmako: add an ignore makoto?06:29
Lathiator chose a more uniue nickname :)06:30
Lathiat*unique06:30
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toresbemako: you can ignore it06:31
toresbemako:  ...somehow :P06:32
jdthoodmdz, pitti: With playback levels at 75% my PCM output is faint in comparison with my system bell.  However, you are right that too faint is better than too loud.06:32
toresbemako: just curious, did you choose your nick based on the Final Fantasy game series?06:32
pittilamont_r: here?06:32
toresbeparticularily, FF VII?06:32
makomaswan: i like it when it's people talking about, say, URLS from my website or something06:33
makotoresbe: i chose my nick based on my name :)06:33
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makotoresbe: which was not based on the final fantasty website06:33
toresbemako: that would explain it ;)06:33
maswanmako: so, trickier, but /~. etc should not be counted as within a word. :)06:34
makomaswan: or mako.cc or mako.yukidoke.org or something.. yeah06:34
lamont_rpitti: yes06:34
Mithrandirmako: you're cc licensed? ;)06:34
mdzjdthood: I don't know how 75 compares to 70, but we've been using 70 for some time now and have ceased to receive negative feedback06:34
jdubmdz: hrm, has the repository of debuginfo packages discussion come up again? i don't remember a spec about it at UDU06:36
\shhmmm....if I would be a doctor, then I would say: "My dear \sh, you're not living healthy and what you're eating is rubbish"06:36
mdzjdub: there was a spec and a discussion at UDU06:36
jdubah, good06:36
mdzhttp://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomatedProblemReports06:37
jduboh, that was the one we discussed instrumented builds and stuff, too?06:37
jduboh06:37
jdubmdz: ah, so they won't be packaged06:38
mdzyeah, it doesn't really make sense to have them all indexed and installable as .debs in my opinion06:38
jdubkinda handy when tracking software, and getting upgraded debug stuff at the same time06:39
pittimdz: are you fine with changing the seeds for the new postgresql architecture?06:40
pittimdz: (i. e. I'll do it, just asking for your ack)06:40
mdzjdub: kinda insane from an archive management perspective06:40
mdzpitti: yes06:40
jdubmdz: just looking for my pouch of magic launchpad pixie dust, one second.06:41
pittimdz: i. e.  I seed the server (which pulls in the client), and the -dev stuff is pulled in via build-deps06:41
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mdzpitti: yes, fine06:41
makoMithrandir: i've written an article about CC which might make a splash :)06:42
makoMithrandir: not so complimentary06:42
makoMithrandir: rms somehow got a copy and is urging me to release it06:42
Mithrandirmako: sounds fun.06:42
makorms tells me he agrees with me and i start doubting myself :)06:43
Lathiatheh06:43
Mithrandirmako: ;)06:44
elmois there a way to get a wireless card to prefer an AP if it's available but not use it exclusively?06:44
Simiramako: got my stuff on thursday. Yay! :D06:44
makoSimira: great :)06:44
jdubelmo: strongly worded admonitions06:45
Mithrandirelmo: while true; iwlist scan | grep $AP && iwconfig eth1 ap $AP || iwconfig eth1 ap any ; sleep 1 ; done ?06:46
elmoeww06:47
Mithrandirelmo: it's probably more or less what such a tool would do anyhow. :P06:47
Lathiatgtk-wifi does that06:48
Lathiat.. im a little conerned about its setid python script tho, its uh, not looking so security conscious06:48
Lathiatthe gui is nice and it works well tho... :)06:48
Mithrandirsetuid python doesn't work anyhow, though.06:48
MithrandirAIUI06:48
Lathiatits sudod06:49
Lathiatwrong term06:49
Mithrandirsudone?06:49
Lathiateither way a a quick glance it looked like i could execute arbitrary commands :)06:49
Lathiat(sudo /usr/bin/gtkwifi....)06:49
Lathiatwith a NOPASSWD: allow06:49
mdzmako: which CC?06:51
makomdz: creative commons06:52
mdzmako: I was afraid you meant Community Council06:53
makomdz: i like that CC06:53
mdzI was like, man, mako isn't happy about the council?06:53
makomdz: thanks for reminding me, i need to write up that summary today06:53
elmoMithrandir: the "in an office, but next door has a stronger AP than us" can't be an uncommon use case/scenario tho, I'm surprised there isn't something in iwconfig for it06:59
elmowell I suppoed it'd need to be more than just iwconfig06:59
Mithrandirelmo: with the same essid and wep key?07:00
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elmoMithrandir: no wep, essid set to any, on both routers, and I don't want to change that, because then the user has to change that when she goes home07:01
elmoand AFAIK we don't have remotely useful/usable profile type support yet?07:01
Mithrandirelmo: waproamd might work, or possibly networkmanager from thom's repo.07:02
siretartelmo: I *think* that could be possible with wpasupplicant. there you can set priorities. this should be the effect you try to acheive07:02
thomleave the NM in my repo well alone, i'm just about to delete it07:03
Mithrandirthom: it's crack?07:04
thomout of date, old, broken07:04
jdthoodthom: Is a less-broken NM package on its way?07:05
thomjdthood: yes07:05
Burgundaviamdz, do you bother updating the translation stuff during breezy release? (I have someone on the forums asking)07:06
jdthoodthom: Let me know if there is some way of integrating with resolvconf.  I'll be happy to work on that.07:07
thomjdthood: or try http://bootlab.org/~j/NetworkManager/ for hoary stuff; that's the 07:07
siretartelmo: I tried to do that with my hardware (madwifi). The problem is that there are issues with wpasupplicant and madwifi when using networks without encryption or plain wep. I already mailed madwifi user list. Greg did answer me privatly that the problem is known, but unclear how to solve it07:07
thom0.3 branch07:07
thomjdthood: i need to look at that; i'll let you know07:08
thomjdthood: also, j@bootlab.org is interested in ifupdown integration with NM07:09
jdthoodthom: I can work with people on that too.07:09
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jdthoodthom: I recently rewrote ifupdown in Python with the plan of translating to C++ later.  That may be of use for someone wanting NM to emulate ifupdown.07:12
mdzBurgundavia: what translation stuff, specifically?07:13
Burgundaviamdz, updated translation packs07:14
jduboh, doko's playing with perl again :)07:16
Burgundaviajdub, you seen this? http://www.spreadubuntu.org/07:16
jdubi knew it was purchased, hadn't seen anything done with it yet07:17
jdubta07:17
eruinBurgundavia, work in progress?07:18
Burgundaviaeruin, no idea, just saw it on the forums, figured I would tell those in power about it07:19
eruinshould have some way to become a "registered ubuntu user" and a download counter too, eventually ;)07:19
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tseng thats a nice page07:22
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seb128Amaranth: around?07:41
Amaranthseb128: yeah07:42
seb128Amaranth: do you know what other distros do about the .menu files conflict between desktops?07:42
Amaranthseb128: gentoo seems to ignore it, suse does .menu.gnome and etc, not sure about the rest07:42
dooglusI installed a new kernel earlier, rebooted, and when gnome came back up after the reboot there was a little 'something' on the top of the screen telling me to reboot as soon as possible because the kernel had been updated.  couldn't it tell that i had already rebooted?07:43
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seb128Amaranth: we are probably going to change the namespace for GNOME as well, do you think that's a good idea?07:44
seb128ie: applications-gnome.menu or something like that07:44
seb128does it break anything, like menu editors, etc?07:44
Amaranthi think the way SuSE does it is better, actually07:44
seb128how do they do?07:44
Amaranthbut yeah, it'll break anything that works with menu files07:45
Amaranthapplications.menu.gnome, applications.menu.kde, applications.menu.xfce07:45
Amaranthat least, that's what i was told they do07:45
fabbioneinfinity, lamont_r: can you please kick linux-source-2.6.12 back on i386?07:45
seb128Amaranth: how is that better than applications-<desktop>.menu ?07:45
Amaranthseb128: it looks nicer ;)07:46
seb128Amaranth: or <desktop>-applications.menu07:46
Amaranthseb128: and someone else already does it, might as well be compatible with them07:46
seb128atm kdelibs does kde-....menu07:46
Amaranthsince compatibility with the spec is shot07:46
seb128for ubuntu07:46
Amaranthyeah, kde-applications.menu in ubuntu and debian07:46
seb128I guess gnome-applications.menu makes sense so07:46
Amaranthyeah, but let me explain07:47
seb128sure07:47
Amaranthif we can't follow the actual standard, it would be better to try to make a de-facto standard07:47
LathiatAmaranth: no it would be better to udpate the standard :)07:47
Amaranthif SuSE (and i assume NLD) are doing applications.menu.gnome and ubuntu does too, others could fall in to line and we still get something usable07:48
Amaranthalthough i don't know how they handle applications-merged/07:48
Amaranthapple stole the rosetta name :?07:49
Amaranththeir PPC-x86 translation stuff is called rosetta07:49
seb128Amaranth: need to figure what redhat does07:49
Kamionit's not as if rosetta is a particularly non-obvious name for something that does translation07:49
Amaranthi know07:50
Amaranthit just sucks07:50
Amaranthwhen people think rosetta they'll think apple now07:50
Kamionmost people will still think of the Rosetta Stone. :-)07:50
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seb128Amaranth: the redhat way is:07:53
seb128* Tue Feb  1 2005 Matthias Clasen <mclasen@redhat.com> - 2.9.90-207:53
seb128- Don't include .directory and .menu files,07:53
seb128  we want those from redhat-menus07:53
seb12807:53
seb128they have common menus for both desktop probably07:54
Amaranthyeah, bluecurve and all that07:54
seb128?07:54
seb128is that a theme?07:54
Amaranthyeah, that's a theme07:55
Amaranthbut i mean they try to make KDE and GNOME look the same07:55
Amaranthso having the same menus goes along with that07:55
seb128k07:56
jdubseb128: bluecurve was a brand, so covered more than just the theme07:56
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seb128jdub: tell me again why we don't do a commun menu for both desktops?07:56
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jdubseb128: i think that would mean we'll end up with a sucky lowest common denominator for both.07:59
seb128hum, k08:00
robertjbtw, its getting mighty cold in here. Apparently news is in from the WWDC and Apple is switching to Intel08:01
seb128let's rename gnome menus too so08:01
Kamiondebconf (developer): <-- METAGET kbd-chooser/no-keyboard Description-en_GB.UTF-808:01
Kamiondebconf (developer): --> 008:01
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jdubrobertj: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/jun/06intel.html08:01
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robertjIt feels odd08:03
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dokoKamion: could you provide breezy_probs for universe as well?08:33
Kamiondoko: it's on my to-do list ...08:34
Kamionrequires me to set up a separate britney run on rookery08:34
dokono haste ...08:34
mjg59So. How do we cope with keyboardless devices?08:38
thomrun away screaming?08:38
mjg59I think that's about it at the moment08:38
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mdzBurgundavia: once the infrastructure is in place, we'll be rolling new packs regularly during the development cycle08:38
mdzweekly perhaps08:38
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ogramjg59, not even a touchpad ? 08:43
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mjg59ogra: Touchscreen08:45
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ograthats what i meant... sorry...familiar linux should have some drivers... 08:46
ogradunno if they apply for all kinds of touchscreens....08:47
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Amaranthso...09:11
Amaranthsarge like, just released?09:12
thomyep09:12
Amaranthisn't it a little early?09:12
tsengAmaranth: "early"?09:12
tsengthis is sarge.09:12
Amaranthi heard 21:00 UTC, that's two hours from now09:12
tsengearly passed years ago09:12
thomAmaranth: no, april 1 was some time ago09:12
Amaranthor is that when all the mirrors will have it?09:12
Kamionannouncement won't be 'til 20:30 UTC09:13
Kamion(was previously quoted as 21:00 UTC)09:14
Kamionwe're still letting mirrors catch up09:14
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RiddellI'm getting complaints that the torrent doesn't work and http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ seems to be down09:46
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crevetteRiddell> it's known issue09:55
crevettesee #ubuntu09:55
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tsengum10:05
tseng"Evolution Desktop" on sounder10:05
tsengheh.10:05
thomtseng: crashy slow and may eat your mail?10:06
tsengthom: no, this guy is going to make a script to install mono apps + his custom theme on a ubuntu breezy system it sounds like10:06
thomah10:06
tsengim just trying to figure out what he is smoking10:07
tsengWe are planning on an 'Expansion10:09
tseng> Pack' for the GNOME 2.10/Ubuntu Desktop called 'Evolution10:09
tseng> Desktop'.10:09
wasabi_oGo?10:10
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tsengoh nm thats not to sounder, thats to mako.10:10
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\shhttp://people.zoy.org/~sam/phd-sarge.png10:24
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pittihi10:25
sivanghey pitti 10:26
sivangpitti: almost time for bed, isn't it?10:26
sivangpitti: (for me at least)10:26
\shsivang: CC meeting this evening :)10:27
pittisivang: yep, just returned from dancing, I wanted to see what I broke with my upload rave today10:28
pittihuh, CC today?10:28
Burgundaviamdz, thanks10:28
\shpitti: 0:00 our time10:28
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sivangpitti: for pg ?10:28
sivang\sh: huh?10:29
sivang\sh: tommorow no?10:29
pitti\sh: no, it's tomorrow10:29
pitti\sh: i. e. Wednesday morning of our time10:29
\shno10:29
\sh06.06. 22:00 utc10:29
\shhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Calendar10:29
sivang\sh: that;s not whay the topic in #u-m says10:29
seb128pitti: dholbach said that meeting is tonight too10:30
\shThe next meeting of the Council will be on June 6th 2005 at 22:00 UTC 10:30
\shhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CommunityCouncilAgenda10:30
pittioops10:30
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pitti Tue 7 June 22:00 UTC Community Council 10:30
\shwell...irc is not trustable10:30
pittibah10:31
pittiI'm totally tired10:31
\shwhere's janeW? she knows :)10:31
pittiwhy it is on Monday, it was always Tuesday...10:31
\shpitti: for us it's tuesday10:31
sivang\sh: where are you on?10:31
sivangs/on/in/10:31
\sh.de10:31
sivangso, it's the same as for me,10:32
crevettede is tuesday ?10:32
sivanglate monday :-)10:32
sivangso it is tommorow10:32
sivangthen10:32
crevettefr is sitll monday and its only 10:3010:32
crevette:)10:32
sivangpitti: well, another CC meeting I'll miss :-/10:32
sivangpitti: just came back from work, am exhusted10:32
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\shsivang: you're not the only one...10:36
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sivang\sh: strange, topic over u-m says 22:00 UTC, Tue10:38
sivang\sh: where am I going wrong there?10:38
\shone information is wrong10:38
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\shmako: ping 10:39
whiprushjdub: fridge!10:39
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shayaanyone using new evolution? :)10:40
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shayabug report time "Evolution Error: Could not create composer window, unable to activate the html editor control"10:48
zulbah...html in email is evil10:48
shayazul: yes10:49
shayabut even plain text evo email uses that control10:49
shayaand i fixed it10:49
shayadependency problem10:49
shayalibgtkhtml3.8 which evo depends on, didn't pull in gtkhtml3.8 package10:49
shayawhich is what editor needs10:49
moquistdoes anybody here know if Hoary supports / on RAID?10:51
moquistsorry, I meant to post in #ubuntu.10:51
moquistirssi windows ain't where they used to be...10:52
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KaiLshould packages from debian/sid currently automatically move into breezy?11:05
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KaiLeverybody in meeting?11:09
jdubKaiL: probably bad time, timezone wise11:09
jdubKaiL: sid stuff is merged once daily, i think11:09
KaiLjdub: could you take a look at ncmpc?11:10
KaiLcrashes on startup and is broken since ages11:10
KaiLquite interesting: this -1 was never in debian, it's taken from progn.org11:12
\shPackage: libbonobomm1.311:16
\shBinary: libbonobomm1.3-9c2, libbonobomm1.3-dev11:16
\shbut libbonobomm1.3-9c2 is not on the servers11:16
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anibalwhere does the Community Council meet?11:26
dholbachanibal: #ubuntu-meeting11:26
anibaldholbach, thanks11:26
dholbachde rien11:26
tsenghi dholbach 11:26
dholbachelmo: do you require some of action of me to get into the main keyring?11:27
dholbachhey tseng :)11:27
KamionCC meeting should be tomorrow, I believe; there was some date confusion11:27
Kamionsomebody put "Tuesday 6 June" as the date of the next meeting11:27
Kamionthey're generally Tuesdays, so I've changed the topic to say 7 June11:27
KamionI certainly can't be at this meeting anyway; I need to fall over soon11:27
\shhmmm...11:27
dholbachi will change Calendar and CommunityCouncil accordingly11:28
\shconfusion ;)11:28
\shso tomorrow11:28
Kamiondholbach: thanks11:28
Kamionmako: you agree it's tomorrow, right?11:28
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BurgundaviaKamion, oh, crap, that was me11:32
mdkedidn't we have one last week?11:32
mdketime flies11:32
BurgundaviaKamion, I editing the wiki page and didn't confirm the date11:32
elmodholbach: mail keyring@?11:33
dholbachelmo: ok11:33
dholbachelmo: will do11:34
\shlets welcome sarge ;)11:38
\sha big bottle of champagne :)11:38
mdkehmm11:41
jdubmjg59: around?11:41
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makoKamion: it's tomorrow11:49
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mdkehey mako11:54
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dholbac1ok, i'm off to bed now too11:55
mdkenight dholbac1 11:55
dholbac1have a nice evening11:55
\shg'night too11:56

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