=== Benoni [~liblit@byrd.cs.wisc.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Loevborg [foobar@d36-75.dip.isp-service.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SEBest [~chatzilla@sebest.ovibes.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [~koke@adsl229-164.unizar.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] hm [12:39] hi tollef. [12:39] we might want to upgrade emacs or backport something to it or something. [12:39] pasting utf8 from the character selector is broken. [12:39] hi tseng. [12:40] man pages in console display wrong also [12:41] no, they don't [12:41] not if your locale is set correctly [12:41] be mounted, like /dev/cdrom or /dev/sdb7. For NFS mounts one will have :, e.g., knuth.aeb.nl:/. [12:41] For procfs, use proc. [12:42] might be that.. [12:42] your terminal is probably not in utf8 mode. [12:42] heh [12:42] :, e.g., knuth.aeb.nl:/. For procfs, use proc. [12:42] lots of beautiful quotes there. [12:42] how do i set it in bash/console? [12:44] in the console? unicode_start should switch the console into utf8-mode [12:44] tan unicode looks better [12:45] i cant be bothered with moving my mouse, console is less effort [12:48] is the devel and motu only for applicable discussions or is it ok to ask if marvell wireless cards are any good? === allee [~ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [~aks@CPE0050ba556e4b-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Benbo [~liblit@byrd.cs.wisc.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === womble [~mpalmer@eth1859.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === [Chameleon] [~Paul@000f660c9c52.click-network.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:20] tseng: good job made by those *hardened* guys ;) [01:20] trulux: which? [01:20] tseng: the bad, false and inaccurate marketing about myself ;) [01:21] are we going to fight about this again? [01:21] im sortof tired. [01:22] tseng: no need, but this won't take long to get hard for those who were involved ;) [01:23] im not sure what issue we are even on now [01:23] but if you want to fight more people, I dont want to be part of it.. the last one was tiresome [01:25] tseng: fight more people? No, I mean I don't like to see my conversation with a devrel guy being unresponsible published in public availability in a bugzilla bug full of false claims and other weird stuff that I might did when I was 11-12 and what I definitely didn't do [01:25] trulux: gentoo devrel? [01:25] tseng: yes [01:26] im not sure how that is relevant to #u-d [01:26] we dont have a devrel. [01:26] tseng: you're as cinic as the others, if we need to discuss anything someday, let's /query. [01:27] sure, but lets leave your problems with method, devrel or whatever else out of here please. [01:29] tseng: sure, I've found a way of making this stuff both reliable and fun, and it's going to rock in the next years ;) [01:29] -hardened? [01:29] rock on. [01:31] tseng: not that. reliable in economical terms ;) [01:31] tseng: though that would rock too [01:31] tseng: I just hope to keep the stuff strictly technical there and accurate [01:32] tseng: sad how SSP died :) [01:32] SSP upstream isnt as responsive as it could have been [01:33] tseng: I'm not talking on that, I was working with others on defeating it, and double injection came to mind. the code might get available during the LSM 2005 [01:34] oh, you made a POC :( [01:35] tseng: *we*, I was with migraines and only gave random bits and theory [01:35] any fix? === alexandros-se [ctrl@2-1-1-18a.spa.sth.bostream.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:35] or its too critical === Gnobody [~jason@blk-222-50-94.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:35] tseng: can't be fixed [01:35] tseng: certain archs could be non expoitable due to the conditions [01:36] tseng: but those are not supported by SSP [01:36] *evil grin* [01:36] Dear staff behind UBUNTU [01:36] I would like to talk about a future project with someone in priv. === henriquemaia [~henriquem@cb-217-129-174-138.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KaiL_ [KaiL@p548F4E91.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:37] Anyone? === Jormundgand [~jormundga@cpc1-oxfd4-4-0-cust11.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:40] ide-cd is broken for CyberDrive devices. I know people were looking at it beforehand, but will Ubuntu look to do anything? [01:41] alexandros-se, why in private? [01:42] Additionally, bugs 263198 and 260621 apply to versions of Firefox up to and including 1.0.4 - could the relevant source from the relevant build be backported to Ubuntu's build as a bugfix? [01:42] kent: we are starting a project and I would like to ask for permission of using ubuntu... [01:44] alexandros-se, Im not a lawyer, but I dont think you need permission to do that. [01:45] well it's under the project's name... [01:45] and I would like to talk about making huger amount of "shiping-orders" of ubuntu... === goldeagle [~goldeagle@200.180.199.30] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Safari_Al [~tr@ppp231-201.lns3.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jormundgand [~jormundga@cpc1-oxfd4-4-0-cust11.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Errors] === Trab [~Trab@ip70-187-134-80.oc.oc.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === chris38-home [~Christian@LNeuilly-152-22-2-96.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Benoni [~liblit@byrd.cs.wisc.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kathita [soledad_pe@dial-as1-197.chilesat.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:36] bvcbvcb [02:37] holaaa === Kathita [soledad_pe@dial-as1-197.chilesat.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-200-209.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [~james@203-59-196-1.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === goldeagle [~goldeagle@200.180.199.30] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SloMo_ [~slomo@p5487F3B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [~scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [~stub@203-217-37-199.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:18] ...why, after my PC has been off for a few days, does it feel the need to spend ages running updatedb [03:18] it was OFF! the chances of any files moving is pretty slim === goldeagle is now known as goldeagle_TV === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:34] hello === BeerDump [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:48] jsgotangco: hey dude [03:50] hey [03:50] hmm [03:51] hmmm? [03:52] my other instance still isnt disconnecting === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax9-066.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:54] hmm [03:55] there's only 9 ubuntu members? [03:55] mako has the official list [03:55] if you're talking about the wiki list, that's incredibly outdated [03:57] last edited 5 days ago :P [03:57] eww [03:57] cafuego is in #ubuntu, the #debian trolls are coming to #ubuntu [03:58] cafuego is certainly not a troll [03:59] looks like they're coming to -devel. [03:59] ahh the edit is a self-addition then [03:59] tsume_: heh, cafuego has been a healthy member of the debian[-based] distro community for ages [04:03] bob2 is my favorite #debian person. [04:03] whiprush, hey long time no see [04:04] hey [04:04] I've been idling [04:04] theres no rush [04:12] Mez: just because it was edited 5 days ago does mean it's not outdated [04:12] Mez: it just means someone edited an outdated list 5 days :) [04:13] heh [04:13] ahh mako you're still awake at this time [04:16] mako is always awake [04:16] man I just scanned the #ubuntu logs. [04:17] that place is horrible. [04:17] tell me about i [04:17] t [04:17] all user support channels are === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === syndicate [~forgue@anthracite.aca.oakland.edu] has left #Ubuntu-Devel [] [04:20] jsgotangco: i spent all day in the park [04:20] jsgotangco: just got back [04:21] spending sunday at the park is one of my fave activities === thoreauputic_ [~prospero@wolax9-016.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === |QuaD- [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlje [~agp@cm-80.111.96.084.chello.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [~minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:57] malloc: ../bash/dispose_cmd.c:322: assertion botched [04:57] free: called with unallocated block argument [04:57] ew. bad bash === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === tsume [~tsume@myvl-c-66-191.254-239.chartertn.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [~minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === locomorto [~locomorto@c220-237-185-233.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Micksa pokes mjg59 [06:07] morning === Benoni [~liblit@adsl-68-248-164-33.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === desrt [~desrt@24.215.14.137] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:17] crimsun: oh please, cafuego is a loose gun who loves banning people over stupid arguments [06:18] crimsun: banning over personal disagreements is not healthy for a channel [06:18] and stupid petty personal disagreements aren't healthy for a channel, either. don't do it here. [06:19] daniels: do you have any idea for #3015 ? [06:19] daniels: if X is not using DRI because it's not supported on that card, i start to even doubt it's a kernel problem [06:20] fabbione: if X isn't using DRI because it's unsupported on that card, then it can hardly be a DRI problem ... [06:20] fabbione: getting them to try different kernels would be best, I suppose [06:21] fabbione: i know of a problem in radeon drm that could theoretically cause hardlocks on newer cards, but we're not using that on r400, IIRC [06:21] daniels: DRI is the only X <-> kernel direct communication [06:21] fabbione: right [06:21] daniels: at least that i know off [06:21] fabbione: which means if DRI's not in use, then X isn't at fault at all :P [06:21] but yeah, if we can narrow the problem down to 'this kernel works', 'this kernel's broken' and no X changes, then we've got something better to start from [06:21] X is always at fault :) [06:22] haha [06:22] i thought there were no X bugs [06:22] (only GTK bugs) [06:22] daniels: heh. I just really don't like a abusive op to be in a friendly channel [06:22] tsume: I've never even seen him use his ops. [06:23] tsume: 'abusive' is subjective. if you have complaints about his behaviour here, feel free to bring them up, but I'm sick of disagreements from channels being dragged in here for no other reason than people don't like other people. [06:23] tsume: me and bob2 ban more people than he does [06:23] Amaranth: I have, there was even a incident which crawled all the way to the mailing list [06:23] wait, he isn't even an op in #ubuntu [06:23] so what's the big deal? [06:24] Amaranth: because hes "there" [06:24] tsume: We are not banning someone for no reason. === desrt remembers cafuego from back in the day :) [06:24] cafeuego is an op? [06:24] Amaranth: I never said/wanted that [06:24] tsume: he provides the ubuto bot and it nothing but helpful [06:24] bob2: no [06:24] so what on earth is tsume whinging about? [06:24] err, ubotu [06:25] bob2: Appearently the fact that he is in the channel at all has him pissed. [06:25] Amaranth: big whoop. I could provide a dozen bots if asked [06:25] tsume: if you have a problem with anything in particular, tell me or Amaranth [06:25] if you don't like him as a person, you're free to /ignore him [06:25] 'he is there' is not a valid reason for banning someone who hasn't done anything bad towards ubuntu in the past, and that's all there is to it. if you have anything specific in #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu to complain about, feel free to do it, but for the time being, this pointless discussion is clogging up #ubuntu-devel, and I consider it ended here. [06:25] What daniels said. [06:26] amen [06:26] daniels: ps tart o'clock [06:26] daniels: "Amaranth: I never said/wanted that" [06:33] xbase-clients isn't broken anymore, is it? [06:33] nope [06:38] what was the problem with it? === Xof [~mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CarlFK [~CarlK@c-67-163-11-11.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aisipos [~anton@dsl081-081-225.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:00] meh, I hate brown paper bags :( [07:01] Keybuk: what did you do this time? :P [07:01] dh_install can't rename things, so something ended up in a directory with the filename I wanted it to have [07:02] ah [07:03] of course, this is a fucking difficult problem to undo :p [07:04] so I'm going to hope very hard that this particular deb never sees the light of day [07:06] Keybuk: how long ago did you upload it ? and where? :) [07:07] about 5 minutes, to Debian [07:07] oh you have plenty of time to upload the old one :) [07:07] the fixed one :p [07:07] of course, this gives away which package just got fucked up [07:08] Keybuk: if you uploaded only 5 minutes ago, there should be no packages built with it [07:09] I haven't maintained libtool in a while ... [07:09] if that's what you thought I meant [07:09] should we be thankful? :) === pitti [~pitti@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:16] Morning [07:16] hey pitti === `anthony [~anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:29] Kamion: you there ? [07:29] or elmo ? [07:30] i wanted to investigate on the segfault issues you are seing on ppc buildds and which fabbione said you qualify as "normal" ? [07:31] svenl: there is a bug in bugzilla for it [07:31] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1596 [07:32] oh, cool. [07:38] that bug report doesn't say much, and i suppose the comment from elmo means it also appears on debian's dual G4 buildds. [07:39] i start to believe it's a gcc problem [07:39] same kernel different gcc more segfaults [07:41] if you find out, please tell me per mail. I will be mostly offline until friday. Going to the IBM power.org event in barcelona. [07:42] not sure about connectivity. [07:44] i doubt i am going to spend too much time on it [07:56] anyone know if the 0000:02:01.2 0805: Ricoh Co Ltd: Unknown device 0822 (rev 17) has drivers under development ? [07:56] memory card reader? [07:56] AFACT its the SD potion of the roch R5C552 which does have drivers [07:57] *ricoh* [07:57] bob2: yes, single chip firewire/SD [07:58] the CF works fine, except for pmount/hal/gnome-volume-manager hating it [07:58] lifeless: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingRemovableDevices [07:58] pitti: thanks [07:59] pitti: so you would like me to run up those logs and file a bugzilla bug > [07:59] ? [08:00] lifeless: yes, either that or just mail me [08:07] ok [08:07] will do === dand [~dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [~Simira@179.80-202-212.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [~JaneW@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:53] elmo: can you please upgrade breezy{,-i386} on concordia? [08:53] (i need the new kernel-wedge) [08:53] meh [08:53] kernel-package === vuntz is now known as vuntz|away === JaneW [~JaneW@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === martink [~martin@p54B3BD23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chmj [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-49-4.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:01] so, in summary, yeah, that's a gnome bug -- file it on libgtk2.0-0 [10:01] preferably severity critical [10:01] hey daniels [10:02] yo seb :) [10:02] what are you trying to do to gtk again? :) [10:02] nothing really, was just checking if you were watching IRC or whether it was too early [10:02] ah ah === opi [~emil@nat0.mnc.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:03] daniels: RoboSeb128 vs RealSeb128 ? [10:03] roboseb128 might explain the days where he uploads 50 new upstream versions of packages [10:04] daniels: so would cloning [10:04] elmo: could you fix libecal1.2-3 beeing universe instead of main? :) [10:06] Hi seb128 [10:06] hey pitti [10:07] grumpf [10:07] lib/ephy-dbus.c:254: undefined reference to `dbus_connection_close' [10:07] pitti: yo [10:07] seb128: er? that changed?? [10:07] I guess that's dbus_connection_disconnect () now ? [10:08] god [10:08] daniels: apparently [10:08] /usr/include/dbus-1.0 has no mention to `dbus_connection_close' [10:08] 'spose, yeah [10:09] hold onhold on [10:09] are you updating to a new upstream version? [10:09] if so, iirc thom put in a patch to make ephy fine with the new dbus APIs into the last upstream version [10:09] so you probably want to grab that [10:10] hum [10:11] I'm updating to 1.7.1 yep [10:11] and upstream code has stuff like [10:11] #ifdef HAVE_NEW_DBUS [10:11] dbus_connection_close (bus); [10:11] #else [10:11] dbus_connection_disconnect (bus); [10:11] #endif [10:11] [10:11] the issue is just this one beeing reversed apparently [10:11] heh [10:11] whoohoo! :) [10:12] Kamion: ping? [10:13] daniels: the current package is using thom's patch [10:15] YAY for yet another ppc segfaults [10:18] infinity: can we add somekind of option to get ppc buildd's to build the kernel, but not to upload it? [10:18] or put it in @no_auto_build and process it manually? [10:18] i have to review the build logs before binaries upload === seb128_ [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-19-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz [~vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] Trying patch debian/patches/06_translations.patch at level 0...1...2...failure. <- gksu [10:26] seb128: ^^ [10:26] k, thanks [10:26] mvo: you broke gksu :) === mvo blames gtk [10:26] roh [10:26] bad guy [10:27] gtk did the sync for you? :) [10:27] we need a better FTBFS notification [10:27] right [10:27] debgtksync [10:27] and people to pre-build prio upload [10:27] fabbione: elmo's testing environment should pick this up in the future [10:27] we need a FTFBS notification rather [10:27] there is no atm [10:27] seb128_: well a local build is not that expensive [10:28] at least one :) [10:28] I do local builds, but not pbuilder builds [10:28] seb128_: a local build would catch at least 90% of the problems like that one [10:28] a patch that doesn't apply is not really pbuilder/sbuild related [10:28] yeah, don't say that to me, I do local builds ... mvo did the sync :) [10:28] eheh [10:28] I check it now === infinity takes notes. [10:29] I'm puzzled because I always testbuild/run the stuff [10:29] Auto-FTBFS notification can be done, methinks. [10:29] infinity: is it possible to do the above??? [10:29] that would be cool! [10:29] would be nice [10:29] infinity: i mean the kernel stuff [10:29] fabbione : build the ppc kernels without uploading? [10:29] infinity: yes [10:30] fabbione : Not the way things currently work (unless I take a buildd offline and build manually) [10:30] sometime I notice 2 weeks after an upload when a guy say "how come than we don't have the new gnome-whatever" [10:30] infinity: what about @no_auto_build and build it manually? [10:30] fabbione : The way things currently are, it would need to be uploaded to a seperate dist, so it didn't get autosigned and uploaded. [10:31] infinity: if the buildd are similar to davis i must see the logs before upload [10:31] Log your own build output and grep for errors in debian/rules check :) [10:31] infinity: i just got a segfault that was not detected as fatal while building vmlinuz [10:31] infinity: the buildd would kill something like that === MagnusR [~magru@as1-1-7.t.lk.bonet.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:31] infinity: > 150 minutes [10:31] Not if you tee it to the log and stdout. [10:32] infinity: is buildd hw the same as davis? [10:32] I'm all for more autobuilding, not less. Anything we need to by hand, we need to ask "why?" [10:32] i am really not sure if it is hw or gcc related [10:33] The PPC buildds do segfault occasionally, yes. [10:33] infinity: oh but i am not asking for a permanent solution [10:33] infinity: i just want one or two checks [10:33] then it can go by itself again [10:33] (given that it works...) [10:33] infinity: i know about the random segfaults [10:33] Not sure what kind of machine davis is, but the buildds are all G5 XServes. [10:33] but here we are talking about an average of 8 to 10 on a single kernel build run [10:34] infinity: they are the same :/ [10:35] Looks like it, yes. [10:36] seb128, mvo : How would you guys like to see Auto-FTBFS stuff?... I can't very well aim at the Changed-By address, as it's not always correct, and for autosyncs it would break miserably. [10:37] I could have elmo set up a specific list you could track, or I could auto-file bugs. [10:37] I don't like autofiling bugs, though. [10:38] infinity: is there a way to detect autosyncs and not send a mail to the changed-by address in that case (and send one in all other cases)? [10:42] Well, in theory, unless elmo changes it, all autosyncs are Changed-By katie@jackass. [10:42] Relying on that feels fragile, though. :) [10:42] elmo: please sync postgresql-{7.4,8.0,common} from experimental and postgresql from Debian/incoming; this also needs some NEW love. TIA [10:43] phear your databases [10:43] mvo : I'll think of something. [10:44] infinity: cool, thanks! [10:44] mvo : I'll bounce them off a list to start with, just to make sure the output is sane, then we'll see if we can detect appropriate people (uploaders, or whatever) to CC. === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.138] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:47] infinity: well i will upload and see... [10:47] infinity: davis is segfaultorama [10:48] I blame the kernel team. [10:48] i blame gcc [10:48] it was not that bad with the old gcc [10:48] i am dead serious [10:48] Have you tested identical builds with gcc-3.3, and with older glibc, and, and? [10:48] infinity: yes. i always do a test build run before upload [10:49] infinity: i was getting a random kill once very 10/12 builds? [10:49] now we are at 10 kills per build [10:49] almost 100 times more [10:49] Lovely. :/ === koke [~koke@155.210.13.152] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:49] hi all! [10:50] Hi koke [10:50] fabbione : Want to toss the sources my way, and I'll spin them on some drastically different hardware? [10:50] fabbione : Different kernel too, but otherwise, it'd be current breezy. [10:50] infinity: it's on the way to jackass now [10:50] mvo: I'd like to work on FindingPackages :) [10:50] infinity: so you can just grab it as soon as it's in the archive [10:50] and let google to pay me... [10:51] fabbione : Alright, I'll spin them on my machine and give you the build log. [10:51] infinity: btw, can you do syncs? [10:51] fabbione : If it's userspace, it should break the same. If it's hardware or kernel, my machine might be fine. [10:51] pitti : Nope. [10:51] infinity: i hope you have an idea on how long it will take :) [10:51] fabbione : ... I can leave it overnight. I don't much care. :) [10:52] koke: that sounds good [10:52] infinity: you will still need to try to build a few times [10:52] fabbione : No problem, I can loop it. :) [10:52] infinity: it's not 100% predictable [10:52] infinity: and if it builds.. the next step would be to install elmo's kernel on your box [10:52] infinity: if it builds.. than it's the hardware :) [10:52] fabbione : Yup. [10:52] infinity: also try the stock kernel would be useful [10:52] (My kernel is a pure upstram 2.6.11.11 with no patches and a very barebones .config) [10:53] Which is a luxury I have due to havient seriously ancient hardware. [10:53] infinity: elmo does build his own [10:53] s/havient/having/ [10:53] ok [10:53] fabbione: it's your source, just a custom config, FWIW === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [~JaneW@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:54] elmo: i know.. but a change in the config can make a big difference :) [10:55] elmo: i am not blaming it on you.. i am just analysing all the options given that davis has been segfaultorama since yesterday and it's having some I/O problems [10:56] Oh, hey. Look at the time. I'm in volunteer mode now. === infinity trades hats. [10:56] infinity: ehhehe [10:56] fabbione : How many images does this current source build? [10:56] infinity: 8 [10:56] Joy. [10:56] infinity: hell of a lot :) [10:57] infinity: i just added ppc64 :) [10:57] Is all the biarch stuff in current breezy now? [10:57] elmo: the new kernel will need some NEW love [10:57] infinity: yes [10:57] I don't need any hand-built packages? [10:57] Oh, good. [10:57] infinity: just satisfy the build-dep and you are done ;) [10:57] Huzzah. [10:57] linux-image-2.6.12-1-powerpc64-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.12 on PowerPC 64 SMP. [10:58] linux-image-2.6.12-1-iseries-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.12 on PowerPC iSeries SMP. [10:58] \o/ [10:58] but for now we have udebs only for ppc64 [10:58] not the iseries [10:59] why iseries and powerpc64? [10:59] elmo: ppc64 will replace power3 and power4. iseries needs to be special cased [10:59] Because ppc64 is generic (Macintosh G5, pSeries), iSeries is specific to iSeries machines. [11:00] elmo: but since i can't test anything of the above direclty.. i didn't want to kill power3 and power4 in the first run [11:00] svenl suggest pseries/iseries, but Kamion and I both asked "then what do I install on my Apple?" [11:01] never mind kernel image names, we need to fix that stuff in yaboot [11:03] elmo: for curiosity, when an arch builds some new binaries and they need NEW love... is the entire set of binaries placed on hold or only the new ones? [11:03] (like in the kernel case) [11:03] fabbione: the whole thing [11:03] The whole .changes. [11:03] katie deals in units of whole uploads [11:03] elmo: great! please don't NEW ppc if it builds [11:03] i will ping you back after checking the logs [11:04] i386 can be newed === jbailey [~jbailey@CPE000ded9d787c-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:04] (You realise he probably already added the overrides while we were talking) [11:04] (Just to irritate you) [11:04] (dude.... i know elmo is a machine.. but i still have hope he can temporary revert it ;)) [11:08] I figure jackass could use some diskspace before I deal with NEW etc. [11:09] elmo: ehhehe === fabbione hands ddraid and clvm to elmo === zeedo [~zeedo@www.reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:39] mvo: do you know how to fix https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=13306 ?? [11:39] I tried to run gnome-app-install as user and only synaptic as root [11:40] but then I can't pass the selections to synaptic :( [11:42] koke: it's pretty hard to fix it in gksu, a better way is probalby to add ---set-selection-file in synaptic === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:47] elmo: around? [11:48] koke: it's pretty hard to fix it in gksu, a better way is probalby to add ---set-selection-file in synaptic [11:49] Uh. Can anyone actually run gok in Hoary? === mjg59 gets two free() invalid pointer errors, and then a floating point exception [11:49] mjg59: gok works fine, gdk breaks [11:49] er, gdb [11:50]