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zuljava is fun03:10
crimsunboth fun and brain-stabbing heartache03:13
zuli have an interview tomorrow so i guess i should go over some stuff03:15
crimsungood luck!03:15
zulthanks03:15
crimsuntechnical interview, I presume?03:15
zuli suppose it is...junior/intermediate tech support for a mobile company03:16
crimsunoh, good03:16
zulbetter than not working :)03:17
crimsunindeed :)03:17
zulwha...transmeta going out of business?03:18
crimsun:/03:18
zulstupid slashdot..03:18
fabbionemorning06:07
fabbionemjg59: <jgarzik> fabbione: that suspend patch isn't right for SCSI08:36
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fabbionehey JaneW 08:50
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fabbionehey JaneW (2nd attempt)09:17
fabbioneinfinity http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/mbligh/abat/regression_matrix.html09:22
JaneWhi fabbione (2nd attempt)09:23
fabbioneJaneW: we need a name today :)09:25
JaneWfabbione: Bashful Brazil09:30
fabbioneJaneW: is that a nuts? :)09:30
JaneWFabbione: Brazil nut yes it's a big one ;P09:33
JaneWhttp://www.rain-tree.com/brazilnu.htm09:35
fabbionegreat :)09:47
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mjg59fabbione: Hmm. Bah.09:55
mjg59fabbione: To the extent that it breaks existing scsi, or that it just doesn't work on scsi?09:55
fabbioneit breaks09:55
mjg59Ok09:55
fabbioneand he doesn't have another patch yet09:55
mjg59Ok09:56
mjg59Well, we'll just have to hope he gets a move on :)09:56
fabbionewell.. yeah09:56
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jbaileyfabbione: Is that in now?11:12
fabbionejbailey: just uploaded..11:12
fabbionebut i have binaries handy11:12
jbaileyI don't need to rush it yet.11:12
fabbionei can spare you to wait 10 hours to build :)11:12
jbaileyHandy. =)  Please.11:12
jbailey...11:12
jbailey10 *hours*?11:12
fabbionepeople.u.c/~fabbione/11:13
fabbionejbailey: building 8 flavours take ages11:13
fabbione+ we have build problems11:13
fabbioneso it might take way more than 10 hours11:13
fabbionejbailey: note that i don't even know if that kernel will boot11:14
fabbioneso keep the proper precautions11:14
fabbiones/keep/take11:14
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jbaileyHey the damned thing unpacks at least, better than svenl's image did.11:16
jbailey(I still haven't hunted down why.  I get dpkg errors with his .deb)11:16
fabbionehahah ok :)11:17
jbaileyLook like no joy so far.11:18
chmjmorning 11:18
jbaileyLemme try it again without 'quiet'11:18
jbaileyHeya Charles11:18
fabbionehey chmj 11:19
fabbionejbailey: is your machine lpar? (or something like that)11:19
jbaileydict lpar?11:19
chmjfabbione: I think someone has to specificly maintain external drivers 11:19
fabbionejbailey: dunno... i found a "typo fix" for ppc64 lpar boot11:19
fabbionejbailey: but i didn't include it11:19
fabbionechmj: inside or outside the kernel?11:20
fabbionejbailey: since it will be part of rc611:20
chmjfabbione: I don't know about that 11:20
jbaileyOh?  Is he actually doing another rc release?11:21
chmjfabbione: some off these drivers are already patches from upstream 11:21
fabbionechmj: what external drivers you are talking about... inside our kernel or outside?11:21
fabbionejbailey: yes.. rc6 and release according to the schedule11:21
jbaileyLooks like it means logical partitions11:21
chmjfabbione: the ones in external-modules11:21
fabbionejbailey: probably11:21
fabbionechmj: i am not sure understand 100% what you mean... why somebody should maintain them specifically?11:22
chmjfabbione: some off them come as patches 11:22
fabbionechmj: yes11:22
fabbioneand?11:22
chmjpatches have no version numbers 11:23
fabbionechmj: yes they do :)11:23
fabbionechmj: some of them in the code, others in the name11:23
chmjhmm 11:23
chmjfabbione: in the code, makes it hard for them to be automatically watched 11:24
jbaileyOh, I see.  http://www.technonics.com/ppc970.htm  - basically lpar is where you do vmwarish things in-chip.  I doubt this beast does that, it's a "consumer" g5 mac.11:24
fabbionechmj: i never said it was going to be an easy task11:24
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chmjfabbione: wich is why I'm saying that someone will need to manually check that11:26
chmjs/wich/which/g11:26
fabbionechmj: well if it's only 2/3 drivers is ok11:26
fabbionejust spits out a warning to check them11:26
fabbioneso that people will remember11:26
jbaileyNope, still no joy - almost like the framebuffer isn't loaded.11:26
chmjok 11:26
fabbionejbailey: FB doesn't build :/11:27
jbaileyI get the Setup Done message, Starting Linux PPC64 2.6.12-1-powerpc64-smp blah blah down to smp_core99_probe smp_core99_kick_cpu smp_Core99_kick_cpu done  smp_core99_setup_cpu 0 done11:27
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jbaileyRight, lemme try ssh then. =)11:27
fabbionepowerpc64-smp:CONFIG_FB=m11:28
fabbioneno11:28
fabbioneactually it is built11:28
fabbioneahhh i see11:28
fabbioneit needs to be inline11:28
fabbionecrap11:28
jbaileyinline?11:29
fabbioneCONFIG_FB=y11:29
fabbioneinstead of modular11:29
jbaileyRight, but in the meantime I can modprobe it in the initrd11:29
fabbioneyup11:29
jbaileyIt's not getting as far as getting ssh going, so there's some other issue, too.11:29
fabbionejbailey: probably there is more that needs modprobing11:31
fabbioneif you can start adding fb stuff and see where it stops, that would be great11:31
fabbionei am pretty sure it's just question of config options11:31
fabbionebut not having the frigging hw locally doesn't make it easier11:32
jbaileyIz no problem, boss.11:32
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fabbionejbailey: thanks!11:32
fabbionejbailey: i suggest you to copy also the other FB modules11:34
jbaileyOther than just radeonfb?11:35
fabbionethere is a +CONFIG_FB_MACMODES=m11:36
fabbionei did it all modular, but problably it needs to go all inline11:36
jbaileyTrying it with all those drivers in the initrd.11:41
jbaileyNo joy.11:42
fabbionecrap11:43
fabbioneare you actually modprobing them manually?11:44
fabbioneor just hoping that they will get modprobed?11:44
jbaileyNo, putting them in the initrd which is set to modprobe them.11:44
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jbaileyI don't have enough connection to the machine at that point to modprobe anything.11:44
jbaileyI don't think this box has a serial port.11:45
fabbionehmmmm11:45
jbaileyOn what speed box does it take 10 hours to build?11:45
fabbionejbailey: on davis11:46
fabbionebut i can rebuild ppc64 only in not too long11:46
fabbione10 hours is the whole package11:46
fabbionei am changing the config right now :)11:46
fabbionepowerpc64-smp:CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE=m11:51
fabbionepowerpc-smp:CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE=y11:51
fabbioneyeah there is more :)11:51
fabbioneok it's building now12:00
fabbioneit shouldn't take too long12:01
jbaileyCool, thanks.12:01
fabbionemodulo gcc segfaults12:01
fabbionethis will make the FB situtation similar to all the other ppc configs12:02
fabbionethere might be more to change but at least you should be able to get the console12:02
fabbionei am going to get some lunch while it builds12:03
fabbionebrb12:03
fabbionenever mind.. it already failed on some drivers12:04
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jbaileyCool - if I can see what's failing after this point, that would be lovely. ;)12:12
fabbionejbailey: i was thinking that perhaps mkinitrd will need ppc64 love too....12:22
fabbionewhat about glibc?=12:22
fabbionewould a 64bit kernel search for 64 bit libc6?12:22
jbaileyIt shouldn't, no.12:23
fabbionejbailey: the image is up12:24
jbaileyThe first thing it does is fire up /linuxrc, which uses the shell script interpreter in the kernel to seek to /bin/sh, which is 32bit.12:24
jbaileySame filename as before?12:24
fabbionenote that is the next version :)12:24
fabbionenope...12:24
fabbione1.312:24
fabbioneinstead of 1.212:24
jbaileyThanks. =)12:24
fabbioneno problem12:25
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fabbionejbailey: new 1.3 image on people12:50
fabbionejbailey: tell me something while you are working on it.. your silence is killing me :)12:55
jbaileyLol, it's just installing.12:55
jbaileyMy connection to the data centre is crap.12:56
fabbionehehe ok12:56
jbaileybooting.12:56
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jbaileyI still get a black screen12:57
jbaileyLet's give it a sec and see if I can ssh in, though.12:57
fabbionecrap12:57
jbaileyhey12:57
jbaileyX apparently works, even if the framebuffer doesn't. =)12:58
jbaileyAnd I can ssh in now. =)12:58
jbaileyI see that it's loading the radeonfb12:58
fabbioneAHHHHHAHAHHAHAHAHA12:58
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jbailey*lol*12:59
fabbionenow...12:59
fabbionewe need to understand why the FB sucks12:59
fabbionewell...12:59
fabbionethere is not much to understand.. it does :)12:59
fabbionejbailey: can stick dmesg output somewhere?01:00
jbailey$ file a.out01:00
jbaileya.out: ELF 64-bit MSB executable, cisco 7500, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped01:00
jbaileyjbailey@ppc64:/tmp$ ./a.out01:00
jbaileyHello, world!01:00
fabbioneeheheh01:00
jbaileysure, need a couple minutes to wake Angie up.01:01
fabbioneno problem01:01
jbaileyAnd the fans appear to have gone nuts. =)01:01
fabbionei am not sure APM or PM is available yet01:02
fabbionei didn't have any option to enable it01:02
jbaileyThis thing displaces an amazing amount of air.01:04
jbaileyAlso sounds a bit like a jet engine. =)01:04
fabbioneehhe01:04
jbaileyhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/dmesg.txt01:04
fabbione[   32.536434]  Console: colour dummy device 80x2501:05
jbaileyWant one from the working setup too?01:05
fabbioneisn't this one from the working ppc64 kernel?01:05
jbaileyI mean from the working ppc3201:06
fabbione[   32.614271]  Calibrating delay loop... 66.56 BogoMIPS (lpj=33280)01:06
fabbioneinteresting01:06
fabbioneyes.. later is fine...01:06
jbaileyI may as well fetch it now to make the 747 go away...01:06
fabbionehow much RAM do you have in that system?????01:06
jbaileyUmm, Looks like 4gb?01:07
fabbione[   32.763094]  PowerMac SMP probe found 2 cpus01:07
fabbioneuhuuh01:07
fabbioneit's even SMP :)01:07
jbaileyYes01:07
fabbionejbailey: [   32.614139]  Memory: 3999720k/6291456k01:07
fabbioneit's more like 6GB01:07
jbailey$ cat /proc/meminfo01:07
jbaileyMemTotal:      4007812 kB01:07
fabbionebut our kernels don't have more than GB highmem enabled01:07
jbaileyAh.01:08
fabbioneyeah what's in meminfo comes from what the kernel can actually use :)01:08
fabbionewe need to talk with benh about the FB stuff01:09
fabbionehe hangs on debian-kernel01:09
fabbionehe is not around01:11
jbaileyOn ppc32: [   25.954678]  Console: colour dummy device 80x2501:13
jbailey[   26.045504]  Calibrating delay loop... 1662.97 BogoMIPS (lpj=831488)01:13
jbaileyOn the ppc32 there's an extra:01:15
jbailey[   27.434522]  Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 210x6501:15
jbaileyin there.01:15
fabbionehmmm01:16
zulhe3y01:24
jbaileyzul: Know anything about framebuffers? =)01:25
zulno :)01:25
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jbaileyHmm, there's an fbset package.01:29
fabbionejbailey: that's not what i am looking for01:29
jbaileyBut I guess the problem might be making the console point to it?01:29
fabbionei can't find that exact string01:29
fabbioneso it's generated at runtime01:29
fabbionethat means that we need to find what driver spits it01:30
chmjjbailey: issint fbset a fluxbox util01:30
fabbioneand see why in 32 bit works and not in 6401:30
jbaileychmj: No idea. =)01:30
chmjjbailey: bah, framebuffer device maintanance program01:31
fabbioneah here is01:35
jbaileyben's on.01:35
chmjfabbione: can I give you the watch proggie ?01:39
fabbionechmj: i am waiting for it...01:39
zuldamn ties01:39
chmjfabbione: email ?01:41
fabbionechmj: or commit it in baz?01:41
chmjok 01:42
fabbionechmj: you have access to people, don't you?01:42
chmjyes 01:42
fabbioneso just use sftp instead of http to checkout/commit01:42
fabbioneput it inside the debian/ dir01:42
chmjmust I do that from chainstrap ?01:47
fabbionenope01:47
fabbionessh to people is allowed from outise via ssh proxy01:47
chmjssh proxy ?01:48
fabbionechmj: check the wiki01:48
fabbionethere is the doc on how to set that up01:48
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fabbionebbl01:59
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chmjthere goes my first kerne-team commit :) 03:01
fabbione./uscan-extmod --report .03:04
fabbioneProcessing ./kernel-extmod.kwatch ......03:04
fabbioneuscan-extmod warning: could not open ./kernel-extmod.kwatch: No such file or directory03:04
fabbioneA   passed.kwatch03:05
fabbionewhat's that?03:05
chmjusca-extmod --wathifile = passed.kwatch 03:05
chmjuscan-extmod --wathifile passed.kwatch 03:05
chmjthe wathfile by default will be kernel-extmod.kwatch, one I got it looking pretty03:06
chmjs/one/once/03:06
fabbioneehhe nice :)03:06
chmjthe script, or my typing ? 03:07
fabbionethe script :)03:08
chmj:) 03:08
fabbionechmj: did already convert all the entries in external-drivers to the watch file?03:08
fabbioneor only a few for sampling?03:09
chmja lot 03:09
fabbioneall of them or only a selection?03:09
fabbionebefore we spend time updating that file to death...03:09
chmjonly a section, 03:09
fabbioneok03:09
chmjI'm trying to get the rest off the URLs 03:09
fabbionechmj: ok. you tell me when it's ready for "deplyoment", but it looks good already :)03:10
chmjdid I mention I hate "You don't have permission to access <insert driver location folder here> on this server."03:11
fabbioneehehhe03:11
jbaileySo who thinks that Apple using "intel chips" might mean itanium? =)03:13
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zulok wish me luck03:13
jbaileyzul: Good luck, chuck!03:13
fabbionezul: come back as winner!03:16
jbaileyfabbione: fbcon working right.03:16
fabbionejbailey: cool03:16
jbaileyfans haven't gone nuts.03:17
jbaileyx is up03:17
fabbionejbailey: and yes.. i am sure apple will go ia64 :)03:17
chmjzul: what u need luck for ? 03:17
fabbionegoody03:17
jbaileyssh in.03:17
jbailey"...  and print!"03:17
fabbionechmj: you broke the baz archive!03:23
fabbioneyou need to fix your umask on people03:23
fabbioneand change some permissions in the baz repo03:23
fabbioneotherwise we are all doomed03:23
fabbionechmj: login to people and do what i say03:24
fabbionecd /home/lamont/public_html/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre1,3--2.6.11.9303:24
fabbionechmod 775 patch-403:24
fabbionecd patch-403:25
fabbionechmod 775 ++revision-lock03:25
fabbionecd ++revision-lock03:25
fabbionechmod 775 +contents03:25
jbaileyNot find a chmod -R g+w 03:26
jbaileys/find/just/03:26
fabbionejbailey: it's the same....03:26
jbailey?03:26
fabbionechmj: once you have done go back to your home and:03:27
fabbioneedit .bash_profile03:28
fabbionechange the umask to look like:03:28
fabbioneumask 00203:28
fabbionethen edit .bashrc and add the same umask line03:28
fabbionelogout03:29
fabbioneand login again03:29
fabbionethat will fix03:29
chmjdone 03:30
fabbionechmj: you need to change the permissions to all the dirs i told you03:30
chmjI did 03:30
fabbionenope03:30
fabbione /home/lamont/public_html/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre1,3--2.6.11.93/03:31
fabbione4 drwxr-xr-x   3 charles  warthogs 4096 Jun  6 13:57 patch-403:31
fabbionethat needs to be 77503:31
fabbionesame for the directories inside03:31
chmjrecursively ?03:32
fabbionechmj: you are missing the ++revision-lock directory inside patch-4/03:33
fabbionethe others are or seem to be ok03:33
chmjok, done 03:36
fabbioneok thanks03:36
=== fabbione tests
fabbioneyup03:37
fabbionedid also change your netmask?03:37
fabbioneanyway i need to go offline again03:37
fabbionebbl03:37
jbaileyfabbione: s/netmask/umask/ ?03:39
chmjerm,bashrc and bash_profile, done 03:40
fabbioneyeah that :)03:51
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jbaileyO04:37
jbaileyI'm trying to imagine what the ugliest scenario the initramfs might have to cope with for booting, and whether I care.04:37
jbaileyI'm adding the hooks in, but obviously somethings might care what order they're run in, like lvm before md, and cryptroot after both.04:38
mjg59Any idea when the -1.2 builds are likely to be done on x86?04:49
jbaileyNone.  And Fabio may have sent up -1.3 with the ppc64 changes from this morning.04:49
mjg59Ah04:50
mjg59Fair enough04:50
fabbioneno i didn't push 1.3 to archive.05:52
fabbione1.2 needs NEW love05:52
fabbioneand i386 is FTBFS05:52
mjg59Ah, ok05:53
fabbionehell it did build here!05:53
fabbioneInconsistent kallsyms data05:53
fabbioneTry setting CONFIG_KALLSYMS_EXTRA_PASS05:53
fabbioneBAH05:53
fabbionemake[2] : Leaving directory `/build/buildd/linux-source-2.6.12-2.6.11.93/debian/b05:53
fabbioneuild/build-686-dbg'05:53
fabbionewell this is tomorrow's stuff05:54
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lamont_rfabbione: linux-source-2.6.12 won't build on hppa until expect-tcl8.3 arrives in the archive and gcc-3.4 is buildable09:00
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dokolamont: expect-tcl8.3 was made only for you^H^H^Hhppa ;)09:03
lamont_rdoko: yeah09:04
lamont_rbut it's not in the ubuntu archive.  hence gcc-3.4 is pending...09:05
dokoso build it, don't grumble ;-)09:05
lamont_ranother option would be to disable the tests on hppa... :)09:05
dokoit's not?09:05
lamont_rah, is in universe09:05
lamont_rcoolness09:05
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zulwell round one done10:02
zulmiss a day...miss alot10:11
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