[12:00] <linukso> drasko: what do you want to do... metacity doesn't have that many options (its not enlightenment or fluxbox)
[12:00] <juan> sysrq, eks , cfdisk only is able to   obtain /dev/sda
[12:00] <apollo2011> What package do I install for the kernel sources
[12:00] <mrkrabs> mats, but you have to explain, what "bos" means, if its an abbreviation
[12:01] <eks> juan : if I get it, you can't mount hda2 on startup, but you can manualy after ?
[12:01] <apollo2011> What package do I install for the kernel sources
[12:01] <DaBubble> gftp is ugly! I might as well be using wsFTP on my windows machine! ;)
[12:01] <sysrq> apollo2011: apt-cache search linux-source, also stop repating your questions
[12:01] <anto9us> drasko: they're in Applications | System Tools | Configuration Editor
[12:01] <DaBubble> man, I really wish I could just get nautilus to do it (scp) right
[12:01] <sysrq> DaBubble: if it's ugly find another GTK theme
[12:02] <drasko> linukso, well, I was wondering - can I remove top border or disable the shutdown button in the upper right corner - preventing users to kill runned application. I need this for kiosk mode.
[12:02] <juan> eks, i cannot even mount it manually
[12:02] <eks> erf
[12:02] <punkass> DaBubble: i just tried my ssh, and its not working now either
[12:02] <DaBubble> I mean more in UI, not it actual looks
[12:02] <DaBubble> I could care less what colors things are
[12:02] <linukso> DaBubble: feel free to update the gui
[12:02] <DaBubble> heh
[12:02] <DaBubble> yeah
[12:03] <DaBubble> you don't want me vandalizing (however good my intentions) gftp
[12:03] <punkass> DaBubble: you ok at the commandline?
[12:03] <DaBubble> I can ssh from the commandline... I'm trying scp right now
[12:03] <mats> mrkrabs: it was just a nickname ;) i meant to type "boss" ..
[12:04] <punkass> no i mean are you comfortable at the commandline
[12:04] <linukso> drasko: you cant remove the title bar, but I think you could make a theme without the X button
[12:04] <mats> mrkrabs: it was just a nickname ;) i meant to type "boss" ..
[12:04] <DaBubble> oh, yeah, but I'd like a GUI for this eventually
[12:04] <punkass> well you should try shfs, its better than doing via nautilus
[12:04] <drasko> anto9us, how do you meen?
[12:05] <anto9us> drasko: you might try editing the button layout under Apps/Metacity/General in Configuration Editor, but that would be global
[12:05] <punkass> you mount it just like any other drive, its works pretty good
[12:05] <xoros> maybe if they would have included madwifi drivers and all the other stuff breezy has that hoary doesn't, i wouldn't be trying breezy
[12:05] <mrkrabs> mats, ok...what was your distibution before ubuntu?
[12:05] <anto9us> drasko: you runnin Gnome?
[12:05] <drasko> anto9us, global is ok... I'll try
[12:05] <drasko> thanks
[12:05] <anto9us> Applications menu
[12:06] <linukso> drasko: I know that xfce has got a kiosk mode, gnome could also be "locked down" for kiosk use. You might want go google a bit :)
[12:06] <eks> juan : are you sure of your disk's & partition's orders ?
[12:06] <limer> how do I search which packages are installed at the cli?
[12:06] <punkass> DaBubble: i am just starting to make a gui app for shfs so that ssh directories can be easily mounted via gui
[12:06] <eks> limer: apt-cache search package
[12:07] <eks> where package is the keyword
[12:07] <drasko> linukso, I google whole day... locking down gnome is not quite satisfactory, but I'll look for xfce
[12:07] <limer> eks: thx
[12:07] <sysrq> limer: dpkg -l | grep ii
[12:07] <eks> U'R welcome :)
[12:08] <limer> hmm, should I ssh or openssh-server?
[12:08] <sysrq> apt-cache search doesnt display if they are installed or not
[12:08] <tbrenner> could someone tell me the command to install Xfce
[12:08] <linukso> hmm, I cant find dos2unix, does anyone know which package it is in?
[12:09] <DaBubble> punkass: it just doesn't make any sense why nautilus isn't doing it thought
[12:09] <DaBubble> *though
[12:09] <linukso> tbrenner: sudo aptitude install xfce4
[12:09] <juan> eks, well prior to this time i had used it and mount it about 15 times, so i am i definitely sure.
[12:09] <tbrenner> thx
[12:09] <sysrq> limer: dpkg -S dos2unix
[12:09] <sysrq> s/limer/linukso/
[12:09] <linukso> Is anyone here using Boo?
[12:09] <juan> eks, probably something physically happened to it
[12:10] <limer> sysrq: not sure I follow the last part
[12:10] <eks> juan: I think so, too
[12:10] <sysrq> limer: I mistakenly typed your name instead of linukso's
[12:10] <linukso> sysrq: wouldn't that require that dos2unix is allready installed?
[12:10] <tbrenner> sorry
[12:10] <tbrenner> could you say the command for Xfce one more time?
[12:11] <linukso> sysrq: found it...
[12:11] <sysrq> linukso: hrmm, yes actually. Try one of the web based repository searches
[12:11] <Chislon> LinuxJones, you here sitll?
[12:11] <Chislon> er still
[12:11] <tbrenner> anyone know the command to install Xfce?
[12:12] <raDeon> tbrenner, yes
[12:12] <punkass> DaBubble, that is very true, the only other problem i have with nautilus mounting ssh is that gedit opens files in read-only and openoffice can't see vfs directories
[12:12] <linukso> tbrenner: sudo aptitude install xfce4
[12:12] <drasko> linukso, just for info, I can use any window manager for gnome... or not?
[12:12] <hondje> tbrenner: sudo apt-get install xfce4
[12:12] <linukso> drasko: you can
[12:12] <Chislon> whats the difference between aptitude and apt-get
[12:12] <juan> eks and sysrq, i thank you both
[12:13] <eks> limer, sorry I didn't read completely the question, I thought you wanted to search [a keyword or so]  in all the packages :)
[12:13] <limer> eks: really, I want to know how to do more things at the cli so I'm not so dependent on X
[12:13] <limer> eks: must go X-less server sometime in future ;)
[12:14] <Chislon> hi
[12:14] <limer> eks: so apt-cache represents only installed packages?
[12:14] <linukso> limer: you need the X server for eyecandy, while you do the real work in a term :)
[12:14] <sysrq> limer: no
[12:14] <DaBubble> punkass: I just found a thread saying that a guy fixed this problem by reinstalling all his gnomevfs packages, so I'm doing that
[12:14] <sysrq> limer: like I said to list all the installed packages, dpkg -l | grep ii
[12:14] <limer> apt-cache contains all packs in repo right?
[12:14] <DaBubble> punkass: a very windows-like fix, but ok
[12:15] <sysrq> limer: yes
[12:15] <eks> limer : once you have acquiered experience with ubuntu, I suggest you try to set up a full sever & workstation under debian sarge/sid, for sure you'll improve your knownlege of the cli :)
[12:15] <limer> yes, I saw that sysrq even though I haven't executed it.  I understand it (to some extent):  list packages and grep with string "ii"
[12:15] <Chislon> i think ive seen a couple different install guides on ubuntu... which one do i follow? i have windows xp home on and im trying to dual boot, i printed out the 9 page windows dual boot how to guide from ubuntu -wikipage at www.ubuntuinux.org/wiki/WindowsDualBootHowTo   is this the only install guide i need to install ubuntu for a first time linux user?
[12:15] <anto9us> Chislon: aptitude is a cli based menu driven front end to apt-get and the other package commands
[12:15] <limer> ii representing installed I assume
[12:15] <sysrq> limer: yes
[12:16] <punkass> DaBubble: hehe..let me know how it goes
[12:16] <limer> eks: I think I shall take your advice in the near future :D
[12:16] <eks> :)
[12:16] <Chislon> anto9us, not sure if i understand, but thank you
[12:16] <anto9us> Chislon: it gives you choices rather than you having to remember the commands :)
[12:17] <Chislon> anto9us, oh ok thank you
[12:17] <limer> sysrq: I thought sshd was represented by "sshd" so I tried to install at the cli.  this lead me to wonder whether ssh is already installed
[12:17] <dockane> i installed skype as described on ubuntuguide.org. the client work just fine untill the connection is established : no in/ouput. the devices are all setup in alsamixer
[12:17] <DaBubble> punkass: I'm going to reboot (windows mentality) just to make sure... but I'll let you know
[12:19] <limer> sysrq: to install ssh server is?:  sudo apt-get install ssh?
[12:19] <eks> limer: ssh is not installed with a standart installation of Hoary
[12:19] <eks> yes
[12:20] <limer> eks: let me show you this output
[12:20] <sysrq> limer: openssh-server
[12:20] <Chetic> How do I make apt-get not try to get stuff from my CD? Can't get my drives to work..
[12:20] <limer> eks:  nm, I think sysrq answered for me :P
[12:20] <sysrq> Chetic: updated /etc/apt/sources.list to not point to your CD
[12:20] <sysrq> s/updated/update/
[12:20] <Chetic> oh right, sysrq, thanks
[12:20] <anto9us> Chetic: removed it from your sources.list
[12:20] <eks> limer : ssh depends on openssh-server :)
[12:21] <eks> Chetic: from /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:21] <limer> sysrq: I did:  dpkg -l | grep ii | less (then I did) "slash" openssh
[12:21] <limer> found nothing
[12:21] <limer> so will install
[12:21] <makoto> hi all, could some one educate an absolute noob on printer installation? I just installed ubuntu and I am running kde... The printer is a Hp deskjet 920 c
[12:21] <eks> Chetic : just add a "#" before the line
[12:22] <eks> limer : replace ii with your keyword
[12:22] <limer> right >> but that would make sense eks  :P
[12:22] <Madpilot> Hi everyone.
[12:22] <limer> haha
[12:22] <limer> silly me
[12:22] <eks> :)
[12:22] <Madpilot> Does anyone know what would cause Ubuntu to freeze hard? It's been happening for a day and a half now
[12:23] <dr_willis> makoto,  basicially you need to run the cups configuration tool and set it up. but  i dont see one under kde. :P  Gnome has one right in the menus.
[12:23] <anto9us> makoto: we're mostly gnome or at least non-kde users in here I think. You may find better success asking in #kubuntu
[12:23] <limer> Madpilot: have you checked ram?  memtest86
[12:23] <Madpilot> ...I'll be typing or whatever and suddenly everyting just STOPS dead.
[12:23] <makoto> dr_willis : can I install it under gnome and then come back to KDE.  Will it be installed on put guis?
[12:23] <makoto> put = both
[12:23] <mz2> makoto, yes, you can do that
[12:23] <sysrq> eks: that won't list all packages though, only those that are in the dpkg database
[12:24] <dr_willis> makoto the program you to configure cups dosent matter.  :P
[12:24] <JDahl> madpilot, what kind of machine do you have?
[12:24] <dr_willis> makoto,  cups even has a web configuration interface. Not sure if its enabled by default however
[12:24] <Chetic> How do I see what processes are running?
[12:24] <JDahl> Chetic, ps -ef
[12:24] <lsuactiafner> ps aux
[12:24] <lsuactiafner> or top
[12:24] <JDahl> Chetic, e.g., ps -ef | grep chetic
[12:24] <eks> sysrq: I got it as you said
[12:25] <Madpilot> JDahl: homebuilt - Asus A7N8X-E mobo, 1Gb DDR, 1.9Ghz AMD XP-M CPU
[12:25] <IIIEars> FFmpeg "The end draws near..." Was posted on sourceforge for FFmpeg  MPlayer, xine, VLC, avifile,and gstreamer are based on it. according to the page. http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/
[12:25] <Chetic> JDahl, ok thanks
[12:25] <makoto> Im sorry, i know nothing about Linux but I am willing to learn...I just load gnome,. look for something call cup in the menu and I should be able to figure it out?
[12:25] <hondje> patents thing?
[12:25] <JDahl> Madpilot, I was just asking because Hoary is somewhat flakey on my Dell Optiplex, but I think it's because of a buggy BIOS
[12:25] <hondje> ah, yep
[12:25] <IIIEars> Patents
[12:26] <mz2> makoto, easiest probably is just to go to System > Administration > Printing and add a new printer from there
[12:26] <hondje> lot of sites with that, they're rather upset...can't say I disagree
[12:26] <eks> limer : another advice for the cli : in ubuntu, many things are done with "sudo", who allows not to use the root access. If you wanna have a "generic" experience of linux cli, use root (carefully, off course). You can train with the live CD if not sure :)
[12:26] <anto9us> mako: System | Administration | Printing
[12:26] <lsuactiafner> if patents are implemented it will be shitty
[12:26] <sysrq> eks: that's not really great advice
[12:26] <lsuactiafner> am updating software everyday to have latest version incase
[12:26] <makoto> from KDE?
[12:26] <Madpilot> JDahl: ah, OK. no Dells here! I'm going to run memtest just now - assuming the machine doesn't hard freeze in the middle of it... :(
[12:26] <mz2> makoto, that will Just Generally Work (most of the time :)
[12:26] <ryanomalley> As soon as I turned my computer on today, everything got completely messed up
[12:26] <eks> sysrq : why ?
[12:26] <makoto> mz2 : ok ill try
[12:27] <ryanomalley> I got stuck at 640x480 whihc i fixed by editing the xorg.conf file
[12:27] <sysrq> eks: ubuntu uses sudo for a reason, there's really no reason to tell people to go ahead ignore that
[12:27] <ryanomalley> I cant install any packages from synaptic or apt-get because my computer always needs the hoary cd to do so
[12:27] <ryanomalley> my hoary cd is broken.
[12:27] <limer> eks: although I agree that I could have grepped more easily for openssh, I wanted to see what sysrq recommended.  but didn't cross my mind :D  so ty
[12:27] <ryanomalley> why does it need to hoary cd? It never needed it before
[12:27] <e0f> hi :)
[12:28] <limer> sysrq: what reason would that be?
[12:28] <marc> Hi all
[12:28] <e0f> the new ubuntu used Xfree or Xorg?
[12:28] <spartas> ryanomalley, it requests the CD because your cd is in your sources file
[12:28] <sysrq> limer: the full explination of the teams reasons are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:28] <mz2> e0f, uses X.org 6.8.2
[12:29] <limer> sysrq: ty
[12:29] <eks> sysrq: but if someone wants to learn how to use cli and do not know "su" and the commands how can be executed with[out]  root access, is that enought ?
[12:29] <e0f> mz2: thanks :)
[12:30] <eks> **command that, not how
[12:30] <sysrq> I have no idea what you just said
[12:31] <lleberg_> Does usb2 need drivers of any kind?
[12:31] <dr_willis> lleberg_,  there are kernel modules that get loaded at boot..
[12:31] <raDeon> lleberg_, no.
[12:31] <Jormundgand> This is annoying. I want to play sound through my main speakers rather than the headphones. What do I do?
[12:31] <dr_willis> normally. so they are sort of built in :P
[12:31] <raDeon> Jormundgand, unplug headphones, plug in speakers.
[12:32] <ultrablue> Duh
[12:32] <anto9us> ryanomalley: easiest way to remove cd from your sources is with synaptic, goto Settings | Repositories and unselect CD
[12:33] <apollo2011> the kernel sources in kynaptic don't match the kernel installed.  Everything is updated
[12:33] <e0f> i change my monitor and my ubuntu don't find it, what i do now?
[12:34] <danzigrules> Have been trying to test the liveCD,  it starts out fine then when it tries to detect my cd drive it cannot find it.  any ideas?
[12:34] <Biatch> e0f, give ubuntu a flashlight
[12:34] <kent> e0f, Did you change the monitor to a new one? Does it support the same resolution as the old?
[12:34] <zenrox> e0f,  reinstall (thats if /home is a seprate partion)
[12:34] <spartas> does anyone know anything about when Colony 2 will be released?  I tried 1 but it broke X (as expected), now i'm back on hoary
[12:35] <benplaut> spartas: i think the X issues have been fixed by now
[12:35] <e0f> kent: ya but not support the same resolution
[12:35] <limer> sysrq: interesting read, thx.  nevertheless, eks makes a point if I were to use another distro unless I setup sudo on that box
[12:35] <apollo2011> Why is the latest kernel package different than the latest kernel source package?
[12:36] <e0f> kent: have u got any idea?
[12:36] <eks> limer : I suggest you use sudo for a while, and change when you think your ready :)
[12:36] <apollo2011> Why is the latest kernel package different than the latest kernel source package?
[12:36] <drasko> where is supposed to be xinitrc in ubuntu?
[12:36] <spartas> benplaut, oh okay, i'll try it out tonight, and revert back to hoary if it's still broken for me
[12:37] <eks> ++all
[12:37] <kent> e0f, do you know how to use the terminal?  Becays, perhaps the new monitor cant use the old resolution. But if you press "ctrl+alt+f1" when ubuntu has started, you should get a terminal. From there you can change to a lower resolution.
[12:37] <synd> whats a good vnc viewer for win?
[12:37] <e0f> kent: thanks :)
[12:37] <benplaut> does anyone here use the IBM Atheros A/B/G II Mini-PCI card? If so, does scanning work?
[12:37] <zenrox> securevnc
[12:37] <ultrablue> Who here has had soundcard issues when switching from XP to linux???
[12:37] <danzigrules> ultravnc
[12:38] <synd> is it easy to use?
[12:38] <apollo2011> the kernel sources in kynaptic don't match the kernel installed.  Everything is updated
[12:38] <danzigrules> yip
[12:38] <apollo2011> Why is the latest kernel package different than the latest kernel source package?
[12:38] <sysrq> apollo2011: don't repeat your questions
[12:38] <kent> e0f, do you know how to use the terminal?  (you should open /etc/X11/xorg.conf and edit the resolution in that file..
[12:38] <synd> i gotta have my gf install it on her computer in cleveland so i can control her win machine via ubuntu here, danzigrules
[12:38] <mz2> huh? i can't resolve certain addresses in firefox that work elsewhere
[12:39] <synd> danzigrules: and i have no access to win machines to test one out.. :/
[12:39] <ultrablue> Sound card issues?
[12:39] <danzigrules> with ultra all she needs to do is install the sever part and set a password, and give you the ip
[12:39] <[koji] > synd: don't you need a vnc server on the win machine
[12:40] <apollo2011> sysrq: well if its stupid
[12:40] <synd> [koji] : yea
[12:40] <ultrablue> I really cant LIVE without my music (or porn) and I cant hear or watch anything!!!
[12:40] <synd> danzigrules: ok, ill try to give it a shot
[12:40] <Madpilot> I'm back... silly machine froze three times, and refused to boot twice...
[12:40] <apollo2011> Between ubuntu and ndiswrapper, im never going to get my wifi card working
[12:40] <synd> apollo2011: did it work with Win?
[12:40] <benplaut> apollo: i feal the same way
[12:41] <synd> if it worked with windows 95% of the time it works with linux via ndiswrapper
[12:41] <Madpilot> when I ran memtest -before one of the freezes - it reported "FAILURE: possible bad address line at offset 0x017c2160" - bad RAM?
[12:41] <anto9us> Madpilot: are you overclocked?
[12:41] <vanberge> forgive me... new to gnome... is it possible to edit the gnome menu??
[12:41] <apollo2011> synd: YES! it doesn't work now because ubuntu is preventing me from installing a working version of ndiswrapper because the version that comes with ubuntu is ancient
[12:41] <IIIEars> benplaut - there -is- always "Linspire" - Doh - Did i say that :X
[12:41] <Madpilot> anto9us: not anymore. My XP-M 2500+ was slightly overclocked, but I removed those settings last night.
[12:41] <synd> apollo2011: are you using hoary
[12:42] <Madpilot> anto9us: I've never, every touched the RAM settings
[12:42] <apollo2011> synd: so
[12:42] <Ubuntian> OMG grabit works very well under wine...
[12:42] <ante> why is that xmms must have oss output in fluxbox/icewm ans eSound in kde/gnome?
[12:42] <benplaut> IIIEars:  :rolleyes:
[12:42] <IIIEars> lol
[12:42] <anto9us> Madpilot: did you change anything else when you clocked back?
[12:42] <apollo2011> synd: latest version available in ubuntu is 0.12. latest ndiswrapper is 1.1!
[12:42] <apollo2011> the driver I need doesn't work in 0.12
[12:42] <kent> ante, perhaps becaus gnome runs the esound server, but fluxbox does not?
[12:42] <dooglus> Ubuntian, how did you get started with Wine?  I've had no luck with it at all.
[12:42] <Madpilot> anto9us: nope, just moved the CPU multiplier back to unOC'd setting
[12:42] <ante> Kw
[12:43] <IIIEars> Ubuntuan - "" same question
[12:43] <synd> apollo2011: you can install the latest ndiswrapper
[12:43] <Ubuntian> dooglus, to install grabit or wine in general?
[12:43] <apollo2011> synd: uh no you can't
[12:43] <ante> ent ok.. how can I know when I load up a shell if its esound or oss running?
[12:43] <synd> apollo2011: hm. well ndiswrapper worked for me
[12:43] <dooglus> Ubuntian: wine in general.  I had all kinds of error messages during the very confusing setup process, and then nothing I tried worked
[12:43] <synd> after much trouble
[12:43] <apollo2011> synd: you can install the latest source but how does that help?
[12:44] <apollo2011> maybe your driver worked with .12
[12:44] <Ubuntian> dooglus, one sec
[12:44] <drasko> I can not find .xinitrc in my home directory. nor .xsession. Where are they supposed to be?
[12:44] <synd> apollo2011: what is your wireless card model/name
[12:44] <dooglus> Ubuntian: have as many as you like
[12:44] <apollo2011> synd: its a BCM4309 rev3
[12:44] <synd> brant?
[12:44] <synd> brand?
[12:45] <sysrq> drasko: ... you just said where they are supposed to be. Neither of them are required, if they don't exist the defaults in /etc/X11/ are used
[12:45] <anto9us> Madpilot: try lowering the speed of your RAM and see what happens maybe it's set to fast for the cpu now
[12:45] <IIIEars> No rush - Wine made me whine to my wife. (never good for a resident tech nerd)
[12:45] <apollo2011> synd: tried to install the driver suggested in the list of cards on the ndiswrapper wiki and it said it was invalid and guy on the ndiswrapper channel said to upgrade
[12:45] <kisain> i installed ubuntu today on my computer and it gave me a really crappy resoulution and the fonts suck how to fix?
[12:45] <ante> Kent is it possible to know which I have to use before I start xmms or do I have to guess every time?
[12:45] <synd> apollo2011: hm.
[12:45] <synd> kisain: hoary?
[12:45] <kisain> yup
[12:46] <anto9us> Madpilot: try lowering the speed of your RAM and see what happens maybe it's set to fast for the cpu now
[12:46] <ryanomalley> oh man im back
[12:46] <ryanomalley> I have another problem I forgot to ask
[12:46] <Chislon> so if i am going to have mp3s do i just want to store those on a fat32 drive to be accessed by windows and ubuntu?
[12:46] <ryanomalley> Every since this morning, when I booted up my sound has not been working
[12:46] <ryanomalley> I double checked to see if it was plugged in
[12:46] <Ubuntian> dooglus, ok wine is on synaptic, i think it's even installed by default, now for grabit go there http://www.shemes.com/index.php?p=download and download it
[12:46] <Madpilot_> anto9us: I got frozen out again...
[12:46] <ultrablue> kisain>>> go to system on the top, then choose resolution.
[12:46] <kisain> it only gives me one setting
[12:47] <kisain> in windows i could get 1024x768
[12:47] <[koji] > Chrislon: if you wan RW acces on both OS
[12:47] <Madpilot_> anto9us: this machine is only two months old, ran WinXP for a month no prob, ran Ubuntu for another month no problem.
[12:47] <Ubuntian> dooglus, then open it with wine and everything just works...
[12:47] <Madpilot_> anto9us: then Friday evening it started being f***ed up...
[12:47] <IIIEars> Ubuntuan - Wine is H-A-R-D. - lol
[12:47] <dooglus> Ubuntian: I don't have wine.
[12:47] <kisain> how to tell ubuntu to run x in 1024x768 when it dosen't give the option?
[12:47] <Ubuntian> dooglus, it's in synaptic
[12:48] <drasko> sysrq, but if I want to change window manager, where to tweek?
[12:48] <anto9us> Madpilot: sounds like a hardware problem, do you have power surge protection?
[12:48] <dooglus> Ubuntian: I know.  Just 'wine', or 'wineutils' as well?
[12:48] <ryanomalley> 	Identifier	"StudioWorks"
[12:48] <ryanomalley> 	Option		"DPMS"
[12:48] <ryanomalley> 	HorizSync        30-96
[12:48] <ryanomalley> 	Vertrefresh      50-160
[12:48] <Madpilot_> anto9us: yes, the whole system is on a decent power bar, and KSensors/LM--sensors aren't reporting any PSU problems.
[12:48] <kent> ante, Well,  Gnome uses esd as soundserver. So when you use gnome you should use esd as output.. its simple.  If you want to use diffrent desktops, then you should also know to handle the situation.  When using fluxbox, just change it to oss..
[12:49] <sysrq> drasko: if you are using gdm, edit your gnome-session replacing metacity with whatever WM you want
[12:49] <Ubuntian> dooglus, i think wine should be enough
[12:49] <ryanomalley> okay I have a problem with sound
[12:49] <ryanomalley> my sound doesnt work at all
[12:49] <ryanomalley> everything is plugged in
[12:49] <dr_willis> ryanomalley,  and the sound card is a ?
[12:49] <Madpilot_> anto9us: I'm thinking either borked RAM or (worse) borked BIOS = need new mobo...
[12:49] <lok> When using fluxbox, just change it to oss.. << or you can use esd with fluxbox
[12:49] <Chislon> u cant do mp3s?
[12:49] <ryanomalley> when I boot up, it says "cannot intilizie HAL!" i dont know if that has anything to do with it
[12:49] <Chislon> how then do you listen to music?
[12:49] <kisain> any idea's?
[12:49] <Ubuntian> IIIEars, that's why i thought but it works (at least grabit works, even better than on windows here)
[12:49] <Ubuntian> what*
[12:49] <Lafitte-> kisain,  what type of video card and screen you have ?
[12:50] <ante> kent .. ok. thx
[12:50] <kent> Chislon, there is a section on the ubuntu homepage called restricted formats. Read that (or read http://ubuntuguide.org) to get mp3 support
[12:50] <drasko> sysrq,thanks
[12:50] <Chislon> kent, but its illegal to do??
[12:51] <anto9us> Madpilot: I had a similar problem with my mother's machine, worked fine when I pulled it and kept it on test but when she had it back it kept locking, turned out to be an old HP 820 CXi printer connected via the parallel port causing it
[12:51] <Chislon> kent and thanks for the link
[12:51] <Madpilot_> anto9us: hmmm... nothing on parallel here, might try unplugging some of the USB-linked peripherals and seeing what goes on...
[12:52] <kent> Chislon, Well, im not sure if its illigal.  Some distributions think it is, and refuse to ship it. But I wouldn't be afraid to use it as a private person.. they cant come after us all ;)
[12:52] <DonL> Anybody had any luck with Planeshift?
[12:52] <IIIEars> FFmpeg "The end draws near..." Was posted on sourceforge for FFmpeg  MPlayer, xine, VLC, avifile,and gstreamer are based on it. according to the page. http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/
[12:52] <anto9us> Madpilot: yeah, disconnect just about everything you can and see what it's like, then reconnect one by one
[12:52] <Chislon> kent, its not really about getting in trouble, its about whats right and wrong really... so its illegal to do that? what file types could be used?
[12:52] <Chislon> DonL ive played planeshift on windows only
[12:53] <ante> I must say Im was really amazed when I could run ubuntu on my 10year old notebook.. and it runs even smoother with icewm.. fantastic!
[12:53] <Chislon> DonL, go to #planeshift
[12:53] <Chislon> thats there room
[12:53] <DonL> Chislon,  won't even uncompress for me
[12:53] <Chislon> er their room
[12:53] <DonL> Chislon, Thanks. I will
[12:53] <Chislon> DonL i dont know naything about linux yet, but they should be able to help you in #planeshift
[12:53] <Chislon> DonL yoru welcome
[12:53] <Madpilot_> anto9us: already been doing that with internal stuff - both CDs are unpluged, etc. will start playing with the USB stuff, and also the RAM...
[12:54] <Madpilot_> anto9us: but KSensors is still reporting all voltages stable, so I'm not sure it's a power problem as such...
[12:54] <danzigrules> noone could help me I guess :D
[12:55] <dooglus> Ubuntian: what do I do once I've used synaptic to get wine installed?
[12:55] <Chislon> do i still use the Warty installation guide?
[12:55] <IIIEars> danzigrules - the room is fairly filled possibly your question got "lost" in the clutter.
[12:55] <danzigrules> yeah I know
[12:55] <Ubuntian> dooglus, then download grabit on the site i gave u
[12:56] <Madpilot_> I'm going to log off here and run memtest again... :p wish me luck... d*mned computer...
[12:56] <dooglus> Ubuntian: first I thought I would try running something simpler, like 'notepad.exe'...
[12:57] <danzigrules> knoppix works fine with live cd, but ubuntu, doesn't seem to like my cd drive
[12:57] <dooglus> I typed "wine /mnt/c/WINDOWS/SYSTEM32/notepad.exe"
[12:57] <Ubuntian> dooglus, nah, let's do it
[12:57] <dooglus> it said "Wine failed with return code 5"
[12:57] <dooglus> I can't even run notepad!
[12:57] <Ubuntian> >grabit
[12:57] <dooglus> it also said: wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0009), starting debugger...
[12:57] <dooglus> err:seh:start_debugger Couldn't start debugger ("winedbg 8 24") (2)
[12:58] <Ubuntian> not everything works
[12:58] <Ubuntian> of course
[12:58] <dooglus> but notepad...
[12:58] <dooglus> I picked it 'cos it's so basic.
[12:58] <Chetic> How do you set which audio device should be the default one?
[12:58] <dooglus> what does work, that's part of XP?
[12:58] <nutorian> yoyo niga
[12:58] <IIIEars> FAXES dooglus an aspirin - you migh need it buddy.
[12:58] <Ubuntian> dooglus, well, who knows it's from M$ after all
[12:58] <anto9us> Madpilot: I'd guess a power surge strong enough to cause a lock wouldn't show up in KSensors as it would be too late
[12:59] <drasko> hi all
[12:59] <Ubuntian> dooglus, i tried many games under cedega and it works
[12:59] <Ubuntian> many
[12:59] <roo_> Chetic, what do you mean by audio device? (/dev/dsp?)
[12:59] <mjr> Chetic, apparently you can set it in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base ; see eg. the last lines which show you how to tell ALSA _not_ to make spesific devices the default
[12:59] <dooglus> Ubuntian: did you do the 'configure wine' steps?
[12:59] <drasko> sysrq, How to exactly change window manager with gdm?
[12:59] <Ubuntian> no
[12:59] <dooglus> what's cedega?
[12:59] <sysrq> drasko: you don't with gdm, you change it in your gnome-session
[12:59] <snowseal> is there a muktiverse repository too?
[01:00] <Ubuntian> it's wineX, an elaborate wine called cedega meant to play windows game on linux
[01:00] <makoto> thanks to whoever helped me with my printer driver. It worked.  Now I have a sound problem.  Ubuntu is so much fun!
[01:00] <Ubuntian> lol
[01:00] <e0f> anyone know in what mode i edit etc/X11/xorg.conf for my monitor's work?
[01:00] <IIIEars> snowseal - yes you can find it in synaptic under repositories >> add
[01:01] <Chetic> roo_, yeah /dev/dsp1 should be default
[01:01] <makoto> can someone help me with this error message? informational-artsmessage
[01:01] <makoto> Sound server informational message:
[01:01] <makoto> Error while initializing the sound driver:
[01:01] <makoto> device: default can't be opened for playback (Device or resource busy)
[01:01] <makoto> The sound server will continue, using the null output device.
[01:01] <Chetic> mjr, k
[01:01] <snowseal> hmm? i dontt know synaptic,yet
[01:01] <anto9us> e0f: I would say all of them
[01:02] <IIIEars> snowseal - NP system (taskbar) administration (popup) "synaptic package manager. (don't sweat it i'm new too. :)
[01:02] <Chetic> mjr, I really can't figure out how to set which one _should_ be default
[01:03] <snowseal> cewl. thx IIIEars
[01:03] <e0f> anto9us: how i change the resolution of my monitor?
[01:03] <Jormundgand> Damnit, I restarted and got sound working through the headphones, but when I plug the headphones back in and remove the speakers I can't get sound through the damn headphones. I am NOT restarting every time I switch hardware.
[01:03] <IIIEars> snowseal - Linux community - "pay it forward" - grin
[01:04] <drasko> sysrq, before logging in?
[01:05] <Ubuntian> guys look at this, downloading with grabit on wine at 447kB/sec http://img297.echo.cx/my.php?image=grabitgodspeed3qh.png
[01:05] <anto9us> e0f: under each Depth (number of colours) you can set which resolutions you want in the modes line like this for example -  Modes  "1920x1200" "1280x800" "1024x640" "960x600" "800x500" "640x400" "600x375" "480x300"
[01:06] <HrdwrBoB> anto9us: however the most likely culprit is the monitor definition
[01:06] <IIIEars> Ubuntuan - that is impressive.
[01:06] <Ubuntian> :-)
[01:06] <mjr> Chetic, index=0, though if that's already grabbed, it's a no go; hence the safe bet is actually to tell it which shouldn't, the other will automatically be default
[01:06] <Jormundgand> How do I get these headphones working? I refuse to restart every time I switch sound hardware.
[01:07] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  i finally got my res to goto 1200x800
[01:07] <anto9us> HrdwrBoB: I bow to thy better judgement :)
[01:07] <IIIEars> Jormundgand - with "ps -e" - find wich process is running between hardware changes and killall <process name> the offending one.
[01:07] <anto9us> Lafitte-: well done :)
[01:08] <Lafitte-> anto9us,  had to use 915resolution and run it befre x starts to overwrite videobios to use the res, so i loaded that in bootmisc.sh
[01:09] <IIIEars> jormundgand - you shouldn't need to reboot anymore that way. (it's ugly. i know. :/)
[01:09] <nutorian> can someone help me with my sound
[01:10] <anto9us> Lafitte-: very techy :)
[01:11] <Lafitte-> anto9us,   hehe
[01:11] <Jormundgand> IIIEars, check this: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/295738
[01:11] <dooglus> danzigrules: I tried using the live CD on a laptop recently, and it had problems with the CD as well.
[01:12] <dooglus> danzigrules: I managed to get it working in the end, by telling it to just skip the 'CD detection' step...
[01:12] <dooglus> I don't know what it was all about, but it seems to work perfectly after skipping that step
[01:13] <danzigrules> think I tried that too, and it wouldn't go any further.  guess I will have to try again
[01:14] <Ubuntian> dooglus, u mean the cdrom detection?
[01:14] <Ubuntian> cd player?
[01:14] <IIIEars> jormundgand - No idea. - must be some usb config maybe a way to alias a device?
[01:14] <Fazer> Hello, I already have Windows and Ubuntu running but I wish to resize Windows' NTFS partition
[01:14] <elhose> join
[01:15] <Fazer> Can I use the Ubuntu installation disk?
[01:16] <Ubuntian> i had the same problem today on an old computer (well from 98) ubuntu could not install, it could not find the cd
[01:16] <anto9us> Fazer: don't know about that but you can use http://www.sysresccd.org/
[01:16] <Ubuntian> dooglus, u give up for grabit?
[01:16] <Fazer> anto9us: OH, thanks
[01:17] <Chetic> Is there an MSN client that has webcam support?
[01:17] <Ubuntian> Chetic, basically...no
[01:17] <Chetic> :(
[01:17] <Fazer> Yeah
[01:17] <Chetic> I want to cam with the ladies
[01:17] <sri> howdy folks
[01:17] <elhose> hola, alguien en espaol?
[01:17] <Fazer> hi sri
[01:17] <Ubuntian> Chetic, there is gnomemeeting but it's only for gnomepeople..
[01:17] <sri> anybody know ohw to get the new nvidia drivers from nivida installed on hoary?
[01:17] <Chetic> Ubuntian, ok :\
[01:17] <sri> I'm suffering from that X bug where my screen locks
[01:18] <hondje> ElBarono: #ubuntu-es
[01:18] <sri> and I'm trying to see if it will fix it
[01:18] <sri> so how do I get this to compile on hoary?  or are there debs around?
[01:18] <sri> Fazer: hey :)
[01:19] <_kevin> what's the best way to stream music from my computer so the people listen to what i listen to in a specified bitrate?
[01:19] <IIIEars> sri - not too hard got the nvidia driver from their site?
[01:20] <sri> IIIEars: I do
[01:20] <Ubuntian> sul
[01:20] <sri> I've installd buildi-essential as well
[01:21] <roo_> _kevin, try icecast2
[01:21] <_kevin> I'm talkin to KarlH one the programmer on it
[01:22] <Tobes> Recently installed a new 250GB SATA drive, formatted as one FAT32 partition. When I try to add an entry for it in FSTAB, I get a "mount: special device /dev/sda1 not found" error on boot. I can mount it manually, but it is owned by root, and read-only for my user account. I can't chown or chmod it to me. What should I do?
[01:22] <IIIEars> sri - grab the kernel image and header for your machine + "build-essntial" in synaptic. - know the commands to kill the xserver ctrl+alt+backspace and follow the straightforward info included with the driver. - if you get into trouble someone here will help.
[01:23] <sri> IIIEars: actually I've done all of that so far..the problem is that it can't seem to load the driver
[01:23] <zenrox> Tobes, chown user/group /your/mnt/point
[01:23] <zenrox> i think
[01:23] <sri> IIIEars: I get the message "Unable to laod the kenrel module 'nvidia.ko" this is most likely because the kernel module was built using hte worng kernel source files...."
[01:23] <Tobes> zenrox: Please read the last sentence in my problem.
[01:23] <sri> oh wait
[01:24] <sri> bastard.
[01:24] <sri> this driver doesn't support my nvidia card
[01:24] <sri> it's a legacy card
[01:24] <sri> grr..
[01:24] <zenrox> run the comands in a sudo
[01:24] <Tobes> I am sudo.
[01:24] <zenrox> hmm
[01:24] <Tobes> This is the error:
[01:24] <zenrox> use paste bin please
[01:25] <crimsun> Chetic: sorry, just reattached (at the office). What's up?
[01:25] <IIIEars> okay - i would reboot to a working kernel and remove everything for another try. - the kernel choices are a bit confusing - almost got an smp kernel for a celeron - Doh!
[01:25] <Tobes> Paste bin? I haven't used this server/channel before.
[01:25] <zenrox> paste-bin.org??
[01:26] <^thehatsrule^> pastebin.com too
[01:26] <zenrox> IIIEars,  that means your board suports ht but celrons cant do ht
[01:26] <Chetic> crimsun, I had many problems.. only a few remain. I might be able to figure them out though so.. nothing :p
[01:26] <zenrox> that too
[01:26] <crimsun> Chetic: ok
[01:27] <IIIEars> lol - my celery dooes nothing well. - got a newer machine since - whew.
[01:27] <xoros> mcmahonm: I got x started... fixed it
[01:28] <Vjaz> IIIEars: celery, is that a food processor?
[01:28] <Fazer> man, wished that java apps didn't suck soo much
[01:28] <zenrox> IIIEars,  my 2ghz celery is actual not to bad overclocks nicly too can go to 2.5ghz with a little heat prob
[01:28] <^thehatsrule^> celery! lol
[01:28] <IIIEars> lol - npers it's the worlds most limited processor. - no bargain at all.
[01:28] <^thehatsrule^> but dirt cheap
[01:28] <lonewolff> zenrox: celerons tend to overclock quite a bit cause they dont run too hot normally
[01:28] <zenrox> ill take and celerys
[01:29] <zenrox> lonewolff,  hence why i like them
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> my amd64 3200+ clocks at 2ghz standard
[01:29] <lonewolff> they are inherently slower tho
[01:29] <zenrox> i dont have suffent cooling in the case
[01:29] <lonewolff> which is a pain
[01:29] <Tobes> Can't access pastebin.com. Either that, or it's taking eons to load.
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> and 1ghz while idle
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> the CPU fan spends most of its time off
[01:29] <anto9us> what gets me about the celerons is they're deliberately disabled thus go through a further production process and are sold more cheaply, oh what a silly world we live in
[01:30] <^thehatsrule^> Tobes, oh, seems like an sql problem on their server
[01:30] <cavediver> Hi guys. When did mozilla-firefox got renamed to firefox ? I'm doing a dist-upgrade and it want to remove the former and install the latter, together with something called firefox-gnome-support. Donnu what that is.
[01:30] <IIIEars> HrdwrBoB - do me a favor will ya? tell my wife i need another new machine. one just like yours.
[01:30] <zenrox> celrons are good for desktops
[01:30] <Tezkah> celerons are never good
[01:30] <zenrox> not for number crunchers
[01:30] <circe> lol
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> IIIEars: haha no problem, in the meantime, you tell my wife I need another LCD display
[01:31] <IIIEars> Done! - wide grin
[01:31] <circe> lol!
[01:31] <Jormundgand> I've been told the number on the AMD indicates that it runs the same speed as that Pentium.
[01:31] <Jormundgand> So my Athlon XP 2200+ runs the same as 2.2GHz P4.
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> Jormundgand: in a vague kind of way that means not really
[01:31] <zenrox> i like cpus that run cooler
[01:31] <zenrox> amds run to hot for me
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> zenrox: too hot!?
[01:31] <zenrox> yep
[01:32] <anto9us> Jormundgand: no, it's a performance index, it's speed is slower but performance is equivalent
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> you realise amd64 runs cooler than P4
[01:32] <zenrox> i burnt up a amd 3 years a go
[01:32] <lonewolff> my p4M runs far too hot for my liking (and my laps liking)
[01:32] <zenrox> i dont like p4s either
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> lonewolff: yeah you want a p-m
[01:32] <IIIEars> HrdwrBob - yep
[01:32] <Jormundgand> jormundgand@ketsuban:~$ cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature
[01:32] <Jormundgand> temperature:             40 C
[01:32] <zenrox> tho i do want a p4 3.06ghz w/HT
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> zenrox: as I said, my amd64 spends most of its time with no CPU fan operating
[01:33] <zenrox> lap top right
[01:33] <zenrox> lol
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> no
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> both the dual opteron and my 3200+ desktop
[01:33] <zenrox> hmm
[01:33] <Gnobody> I have a 3000+ Desktop
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> the amd 'cool n quiet' has it running at 1ghz when not in use
[01:33] <Gnobody> silent and FAST!
[01:33] <zenrox> cpu temp 38.5c mobo 41.0c
[01:33] <alexandros-se> Hello, I would like to talk to any of staff behind UBUNTU
[01:34] <zenrox> alexandros-se,  what for
[01:34] <Gnobody> I have it running at 2000Ghz all the time and I get 37 C
[01:34] <circe> why?
[01:34] <Fazer> Bah, speaking of prcoessors
[01:34] <Gnobody> I disabled cool and quiet
[01:34] <anto9us> Gnobody: I have a 3200 laptop, it's bloody noisy!
[01:34] <Fazer> What do you thinks about Apple going to Intel?
[01:34] <Fazer> anto9us: What brand?
[01:34] <alexandros-se> zenrox: I'm from cyprus goverment and we are organizing a project...
[01:34] <anto9us> Fazer: Dell Inspiron 9100
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> Gnobody: why?
[01:35] <alexandros-se> zenrox: we have in mind using UBUNTU and want to ask for permission.
[01:35] <Gnobody> Dell makes AMD64 notebooks?
[01:35] <Gnobody> since when?
[01:35] <Amaranth> alexandros-se: You can join #ubuntu-devel to talk to the developers.
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> alexandros-se: you don't need any permission, but you can join #ubuntu-devel
[01:35] <zenrox> alexandros-se, om thare are other ubuntu channels check them all out
[01:35] <Fazer> anto9us: Dell laptops use AMD?
[01:36] <anto9us> Fazer: I think they're all Intel
[01:36] <xoros> zenrox is there a channel for breezy ?
[01:36] <_kevin> i have RealPlayer10GOLD.bin how would i install it
[01:36] <Fazer> yeah
[01:36] <sri> rats, the new driver doesn't support my gpu..how lame.
[01:36] <xoros> seeing how this one doesn't seem to be breezy friendly
[01:36] <IIIEars> irc search" .. networks .. freenode .. ubuntu - there are a lot of 'em
[01:37] <zenrox> xoros,  dont install breezy unlues you want headachs
[01:37] <Jormundgand> _kevin, type chmod +x ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin; ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin at the commandline
[01:37] <lonewolff> _kevin: sudo chmod 755 *.bin  then sudo ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin
[01:37] <xoros> zenrox: I like working with it and figuring it out though
[01:37] <zenrox> xoros,  whate till its in rc stages
[01:37] <Gnobody> does anybody know when mono/f-spot/beagle will be backported to AMD64?
[01:37] <Tobes> Since pastebin seems to be down... http://toby.furserv.org/temp/pastebin.txt
[01:37] <Jormundgand> Gnobody, gnever. :p
[01:38] <Gnobody> ?
[01:38] <zenrox> xoros,  its in extream beta at the moment
[01:38] <xoros> zenrox: seems to work ok for right now, for me anyway
[01:38] <IIIEars> http://ubuntu.pastebin.org
[01:39] <Jormundgand> IIIEars: Try that URL yourself.
[01:39] <xoros> don't say i wasn't warned though hey ? :)
[01:39] <IIIEars> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com
[01:39] <IIIEars> (sheepish grin) sorry....
[01:39] <anto9us> zenrox: HT has been disabled in the kernel now, in a security patch
[01:39] <zenrox> tobes chown tim/users /mnt/Storage
[01:40] <_kevin> emm i type both things from jormundgand and lonewolf?
[01:40] <IIIEars> !flood
[01:40] <ubotu> IIIEars: I haven't a clue
[01:40] <zenrox> anto9us,  in the smp kernel
[01:40] <benbuntu> I've converted to ubuntu, since my deb sarge has been hacked twice in the past few months.
[01:40] <anto9us> zenrox: yes
[01:40] <zenrox> now you can mount it as a user too
[01:41] <zenrox> add your self to the users group
[01:41] <xoros> if they don't want people using breezy why are they having it available for testing ???
[01:41] <circe> benbuntu: owwwwwwwwwww
[01:41] <Tobes> zenrox: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/295752
[01:41] <circe> xoros: because!
[01:41] <lok> xoros, they want people who can make bug reports and can help them to solve bugs
[01:42] <benbuntu> circe tell me about it... I still have many hours reconfiguring my box so I can get my clients web sites and DB's safe again
[01:42] <zenrox> Tobes,  it wants a full path name
[01:42] <circe> benbutu: someone hacked me thru ssh
[01:42] <calc> breezy seems ok now
[01:42] <Jormundgand> xoros: They mean "don't use breezy for anything other than testing purposes."
[01:42] <calc> most of the xorg and c++ problems have been resolved
[01:43] <kawsy> If I want to load a module on startup. Where is the best place to specify that?
[01:43] <xoros> well I like testing it so there :)
[01:43] <calc> kawsy: /etc/modules
[01:43] <circe> benbutu: placed a file in /tmp and ran it
[01:43] <kawsy> :D thanks
[01:43] <Tobes> zenrox: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/295754
[01:44] <cavediver> Anyone very good at tv-out with nvidia cards. Have some promlems i need to solve.
[01:44] <benbuntu> circe I wish I knew how they got in... All I know is they killed my machine both times. That's how knew something was wrong... I think they used a security hole in POS oscommerce
[01:46] <IIIEars> benbuntu - not of any use unless you are still curious try a forensic tool like "Helix Linux" live CD.
[01:46] <TheRabbit> I was trying to play some MP3 files on Music Player, and it says it doesn't have the decoder to play MP3s
[01:46] <zenrox> Tobes,  follow this format  chown [OPTION] ... OWNER[:[GROUP] ]  FILE...= chown tim:tim /mnt/Storage (and check for upcase and lowercase)
[01:46] <Jormundgand> TheRabbit: So you need the decoder to play MP3s.
[01:47] <benbuntu> IIIEars the box has been pretty badly hacked. All my services run really slow.  MTA, FTP, SSH, etc :(
[01:48] <Tobes> It's still not permitted, zenrox.
[01:48] <benbuntu> My buddy chillywilly recommended ubuntu to me.
[01:48] <circe> benbutu: why cant u reinstall from stratch
[01:48] <benbuntu> nice OOB build
[01:48] <zenrox> Tobes,  i dont know thats what i did to a ide drive i added
[01:48] <Tobes> I've never had problems with IDE drives, but this is the first SATA drive I've used.
[01:48] <zenrox> hmm
[01:48] <zenrox> dont know
[01:49] <_kevin> I installed real player 10 and i see it int he multimedia section, but when i click on it nothing ops up in front of me, yet i see in the system montor that there is realplay.bin sleeping with 54.2 mb
[01:49] <zenrox> maby fstab it diferently
[01:49] <benbuntu> circ I am building another box but I can't get it to recognizr my internet when I have DHCP running
[01:49] <_kevin> Can some one help reslove the issue as to why the actual player window is not opening
[01:49] <Tobes> zenrox: I've tried several variations.
[01:49] <IIIEars> benbuntu - "rootkit revealer" is linked on the sysinternels page. - just another curiosity. no real help. - sorry.
[01:50] <Tobes> It always says that the device could not be found.
[01:50] <Jormundgand> _kevin: RealPlayer is broken.
[01:50] <zenrox> tobes i cant help you any further i gots to go to work
[01:50] <Tobes> OK
[01:50] <zenrox> i tried
[01:51] <benbuntu> IIIEars no bigy I have all my stuff backuped up on my shiney *new* ubuntu box.  I just need to configure all my services
[01:51] <_kevin> jormundgand is there any solution to this problem?
[01:51] <IIIEars> :0
[01:51] <IIIEars> :)
[01:51] <Tobes> Can anyone else help me? I Recently installed a new 250GB SATA drive, formatted as one FAT32 partition. When I try to add an entry for it in FSTAB, I get a "mount: special device /dev/sda1 not found" error on boot. I can mount it manually, but it is owned by root, and read-only for my user account. I can't chown or chmod it to me. I need to be able to write to the drive. What should I do?
[01:51] <MicroChris> post your fstab
[01:52] <MicroChris> or
[01:52] <MicroChris> atleast that string
[01:52] <Jormundgand> _kevin: Not that I know of. Use VLC or something else.
[01:52] <Tobes> /dev/sda1	/mnt/Storage		 vfat		 defaults			  0       0
[01:53] <Tobes> I've tried mimicing the options of several other entries, as well.
[01:53] <MicroChris> /dev/sda1       /mnt/Storage               vi   defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[01:53] <MicroChris> try that
[01:53] <Tobes> vi?
[01:53] <MicroChris> blah sorry
[01:53] <MicroChris> vfat*
[01:53] <MicroChris> too much vi stuff today
[01:53] <Tobes> ;P
[01:54] <MicroChris> haha
[01:54] <_kevin> jormundgand why didn't you tell me before i tried to install it... anyways can you tell me how to uninstall and delete it
[01:54] <Tobes> MicroChris: That was copied from my ext3 partition... I tried that option set already.
[01:55] <Tobes> I still get the "mount: special device "/dev/sda1" not found" erro.r
[01:55] <Tobes> error.*
[01:55] <spartas> Tobes, are you able to view the contents of /mnt/Storage as root after you mount manually?
[01:55] <Tobes> I can VIEW the contents as tim.
[01:55] <Tobes> I can not write new content.
[01:58] <Marble2> are there any tools to convert a .mov to a .avi?
[01:58] <crimsun> Marble2: mencoder
[01:59] <EarthMkII> hey, is there a good source for troubleshooting Mac on Linux?  I'm getting a panic each time on boot.
[01:59] <Marble2> thanks
[01:59] <Chetic> Hey, why can't I connect to any of the apt-get servers?
[01:59] <circe> Marble2: That you?
[02:00] <circe> Marble2: kbrooks here
[02:01] <Marble2> oh
[02:01] <Marble2> hey :)
[02:01] <circe> back on ubuntu
[02:01] <raDeon> sweet
[02:01] <raDeon> ubuntu r0x0rz my b0x0rz
[02:02] <circe> circe, the irc client i'm using, with mods, is gr8
[02:02] <webg9> hi
[02:02] <circe> mods by me.....
[02:02] <thr1ce> what client is that?
[02:02] <circe> circe.berlios.de'
[02:02] <nobile> hi
[02:02] <thr1ce> Marble2, doubt it...copyright stuff with apple
[02:02] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> anyone tried winamp for linux yet ?
[02:02] <raDeon> naw
[02:02] <webg9> im looking for help getting a linksys wireless card working with ubuntu, can anyone help me?
[02:02] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> theres an rpm out
[02:02] <raDeon> didnt even know it was out for linux yet!??
[02:03] <EarthMkII> heh
[02:03] <circe> raDeon: it is
[02:03] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> http://www.afterdawn.com/software/audio_software/audio_players/winamp_for_linux.cfm
[02:03] <thr1ce> don't use winamp!
[02:03] <thr1ce> check out beep media player
[02:03] <raDeon> lol that's like 4 years old
[02:03] <kbrooks|circe> test
[02:04] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> thr1ce, I'd rather use amarok
[02:04] <kbrooks|circe> strange
[02:04] <thr1ce> i don't like the new amarok
[02:04] <raDeon> who would use an 4-year-old alpha software
[02:04] <thr1ce> beep media player?
[02:04] <webg9> i have installed ububtu on an old AMD Athalon box just to check it out, i want to get on the net on that box using the wireless network i already have set up
[02:04] <thr1ce> it's the gtk2 frontend of xmms
[02:04] <HrdwrBoB> webg9: athlon
[02:04] <webg9> ok
[02:04] <joshua> can anyone tell me how to upgrade my hoary box to the 2.6.12 kernel (in breezy) i just want to upgrade the kernel, nothing else
[02:05] <raDeon> lmao "hoary"
[02:05] <crimsun> joshua: you need quite a bit of infrastructure
[02:05] <thr1ce> compile it yourself
[02:05] <webg9> i have the os running fine, and like it, how do i get the wireless card install in ubuntu?
[02:05] <thr1ce> get gcc, and compile away
[02:05] <EarthMkII> heh
[02:05] <joshua> infrastructure?
[02:05] <kbrooks|circe> yyyy
[02:05] <kbrooks|circe> lol
[02:05] <EarthMkII> evil
[02:05] <EarthMkII> nice distro, btw
[02:06] <joshua> well i downloaded the source from kernel.org and then did make-kpkg kernel_image
[02:06] <crimsun> joshua: you need libc6 from breezy, too
[02:06] <Gnobody> if I install GCC4 from backports when I make something will it automatically be compiled with GCC4???
[02:06] <joshua> got an error
[02:06] <kbrooks|circe> tried R-to-L and python cant decode......
[02:06] <kbrooks|circe> er
[02:06] <joshua> i should have all the tools
[02:06] <EarthMkII> first decent PPC distro I've seen.
[02:06] <thr1ce> crimsun, just to compile a kernel...he needs more than gcc ?
[02:06] <joshua> gcc, libc6, kernel-package, etc.
[02:06] <crimsun> thr1ce: if he wants to use the binaries
[02:06] <kbrooks|circe> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u200f' in position 17: ordinal not in range(128)
[02:06] <kbrooks|circe> :P
[02:06] <thr1ce> crimsun, but to compile a kernel yourself, only gcc is needed right?
[02:06] <webg9> is it possible to use ubuntu with a wireless network?
[02:07] <thr1ce> i don't know what libc6 is
[02:07] <kbrooks|circe> circe is written in python btw
[02:07] <Jormundgand> webg9: No, I'm connected via a 14.4 modem.
[02:07] <Tobes> webg9: Yes.
[02:07] <crimsun> thr1ce: it's the C library. Your machine won't function without it.
[02:07] <Jormundgand> webg9: That was sarcasm, FYI.
[02:07] <Gnobody> if I install GCC4 from backports when I make something will it automatically be compiled with GCC4???
[02:07] <thr1ce> crimsun, it's not installed by default?
[02:07] <kbrooks|circe> thrice: gnu c lib
[02:07] <webg9> ok thanks
[02:07] <crimsun> thr1ce: yes, it's installed by default
[02:07] <thr1ce> crimsun, ooh, ok; gcc isn't though...?
[02:07] <joshua> if I could add just the repository for 2.6.12 in breezy, i thought it would make it easier... just apt-get
[02:08] <webg9> i am totally new to ubuntu, so i have no idea how to set up a wireless card
[02:08] <kbrooks|circe> Gnobody, no. and why use backports when you can hoary-ify your ubuntu warty?
[02:08] <crimsun> thr1ce: the point is that it'd be easier for joshua to compile it on his own box instead of just grabbing the binaries
[02:08] <EarthMkII> webg9: check the wiki?
[02:08] <joshua> webg9, what kind of wireless card do you have
[02:08] <webg9> what is that>?
[02:08] <thr1ce> crimsun, gotcha ;)
[02:08] <mz2> have i got the wrong kernel source version installed if i get "Invalid module format" when trying to run a certain newly compiled module?
[02:08] <webg9> linksys
[02:08] <EarthMkII> http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/
[02:08] <webg9> ok one sec
[02:09] <crimsun> mz2: quite possibly, though you compile against headers (not the full source unless you must)
[02:09] <thr1ce> 2.6.12 isn't out yet though
[02:09] <thr1ce> still RC5, i think
[02:09] <mz2> is there some easy dummy package that would handle the correct matching versions btw?
[02:09] <EarthMkII> ugh..
[02:10] <benbuntu> Ok so I installed ubuntu "server" twice and the third , now is a full install. Everytime I hack my /etc/network/interfaces to get my modem hooked up my internal network uses my public IP and no other sites are availible.
[02:10] <crimsun> mz2: linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[02:10] <joshua> thrlce, yeah, but 2.6.12-rc? is packaged
[02:10] <thr1ce> ooh, ok
[02:10] <thr1ce> final should be out tomorrow or tuesday...i'd just wait, and compile one yourself
[02:10] <thr1ce> it's on git10
[02:11] <joshua> webg9, if you've got a 2.6.4 (i think) kernel or later it will have this thing called ndiswrapper built into it.  that makes it so you can use the windows drivers from your linksys cd
[02:11] <mz2> hmm. i do have the same versions
[02:11] <joshua> webg9, i assume you're on a laptop?
[02:11] <varunr> hi all....
[02:11] <kbrooks|circe> brb!
[02:11] <varunr> I need help with ubuntu live cd .... the ethernet doesnt seem to work
[02:12] <varunr> I attached the cable midway during boot...
[02:12] <benbuntu> varunr I have the same problem :(
[02:12] <thr1ce> varunr, then how do you expect it to be detected?
[02:12] <kbrooks|circe> brb
[02:13] <IIIEars> thrice - relax
[02:13] <kbrooks|circe> test
[02:13] <thr1ce> IIIEars, huh?
[02:13] <xabbu> hello, guys
[02:13] <benbuntu> my eth1 and eth0 are up and I have my modem plugged into eth1, and my eth0 is plugged into my wireless router. DHCP works but I can not reach the WWW
[02:13] <kbrooks|circe> heh
[02:14] <thr1ce> benbuntu, can you ping a website?
[02:14] <cavediver> I have problems open documents with swedish signs in oo.org. Anyone else have that problem ?
[02:14] <joshua> as far as my 2.6.12 kernel upgrade goes, how come everyone seems to think it's easier to compile your own kernel than to just apt-get a pre-packeged one?
[02:14] <ghostless> How can I check my prossesor speed?
[02:14] <benbuntu> not when I disconnect my modem -cat and plug it into ubuntu box
[02:14] <joshua> that's rediculous! apt-get linux-image-2.6.12 and youre done
[02:15] <joshua> assuming it IS packaged
[02:15] <IIIEars> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DialupModemHowto ???
[02:15] <thr1ce> joshua, well, I have a .config from my 2.6 series; it's also much faster when you're done than a pre-compiled
[02:15] <benbuntu> I have my deb firewall running DHCP right now so I talk to you wonderful ubunuians
[02:15] <cavediver> ghostless: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[02:15] <ghostless> cavediver, thanks pal
[02:15] <crimsun> joshua: keep in mind that the 2.6.12 bk shots are _not_ supported, and questions about them will be waived
[02:15] <cavediver> ghostless: np-
[02:16] <crimsun> joshua: same with the 2.6.11 bk snapshot
[02:16] <xabbu> cavediver, I don't have that problem
[02:16] <shinu> how can i scroll in a terminal? text mode i mean...
[02:16] <cavediver> Ok. Strange.
[02:16] <joshua> crimsun, i didn't understand that, bk shots?
[02:16] <cavediver> Well. Have to go to bed now. Bye
[02:16] <mz2> hmm, might it be that i have a bad gcc version?
[02:16] <dooglus> I just made a new user account, and sound doesn't work for that user.  it works for my old users.  what up?
[02:16] <mz2> shouldn't it match the version on which the kernel has been built?
[02:16] <bobbyd> hi
[02:16] <crimsun> dooglus: known issue. Add that user to the audio group.
[02:16] <benbuntu> is firestarter a gui for iptables?
[02:16] <bobbyd> does anyone here have a wacom table working?
[02:16] <dooglus> crimsun: really?  ok!  :)
[02:17] <dooglus> crimsun: if it's a known issue, why doesn't it get fixed?
[02:17] <IIIEars> Hello crimsun! :)
[02:17] <crimsun> dooglus: it is being fixed for Breezy
[02:17] <mz2> how'd i find out the gcc version that's been used for the ubuntu kernel i'm using?
[02:17] <bobbyd> I followed the instructions for setting it up under a 2.6.10 kernel, but it's still not registering as an extended device with gimp 2.2
[02:17] <crimsun> mz2: cat /proc/version
[02:17] <dooglus> Breezy isn't going to be ready for a few more months.  Seems odd to keep a known and easily fixed bug in hoary, doesn't it?
[02:18] <dooglus> Or is that the same for all bugs?
[02:18] <crimsun> dooglus: only _critical_ non-security bug fixes are applied
[02:18] <joshua> as far as getting a package from breezy, it would apply to anything that is in breezy but not in hoary... not just kernel packages
[02:18] <dooglus> crimsun: ok.  stability is more important than functionality?
[02:18] <makoto> can someone help a noob?
[02:18] <makoto> again
[02:18] <thr1ce> dooglus, yes
[02:18] <crimsun> dooglus: in this case where a known-good "workaround" exists, yes
[02:19] <dooglus> benbuntu: yes, firestarter is exactly an iptables frontend
[02:19] <xabbu> makoto, what is the problem?
[02:19] <crimsun> joshua: meaning?
[02:19] <joshua> how would I go about adding a specific package from breezy to my repositories so that I can have a hoary (stable) system, but still have a couple of the more recent packages.
[02:19] <IIIEars> makoto - you can return here as many times as you like at the same low cost. - FREE!
[02:19] <lleberg_> I have a small problem
[02:19] <crimsun> joshua: you do -Not- want to do that
[02:19] <makoto> xabbu : im trying to install plugins for mp3
[02:19] <xabbu> Okey
[02:19] <joshua> oh...
[02:19] <makoto> gstreamer0.8-plugins to be exact
[02:19] <thr1ce> makoto, you need gstreamer MAD
[02:19] <Chislon> will ubuntu's installer distinguish between a partition for / and a  partition for /home (not sure if im using the correct terms here) ?
[02:20] <Chislon> like will it automatically let me set that up
[02:20] <joshua> mind if I ask why
[02:20] <Amaranth> joshua: use backports
[02:20] <crimsun> joshua: packages in Breezy are built against a different gcc/g++ version, which will require their dependencies to be dist-upgraded, too, which will lead to weeping and gnashing of teeth
[02:20] <Amaranth> joshua: breezy was compiled with gcc4, things aren't compatible
[02:20] <dooglus> crimsun: what about if he was to add some breeze *source* repositories, and compile stuff himself?
[02:20] <makoto> can i get it from terminal with get command?
[02:20] <mz2> crimsun, hmm... the gcc 3.3 version number doesn't match
[02:20] <iceman> Anyone have a link to the mac system requirements to run ubuntu on a mac
[02:20] <joshua> oh, yeah, I should have known that
[02:20] <crimsun> dooglus: then he'd be fine, but he didn't ask that.
[02:20] <dooglus> crimsun: with apt-get, compiling from source is trivial
[02:20] <benbuntu> thx dooglus
[02:20] <varunr> thr1ce, I tried ifup eth0, ifup et1.... butdidnt work
[02:20] <IIIEars> crimsun - spreads light.
[02:20] <mz2> i have 3.3.6-5, kernel's been compiled with 3.3.5-...
[02:20] <xabbu> makoto, you have to update your repositories first
[02:21] <makoto> i have
[02:21] <makoto> i think
[02:21] <mz2> is it likely that could cause the problem?
[02:21] <iceman> Would a system like this run ubuntu ....Apple Powerbook G3 300MHZ
[02:21] <iceman> 64M, 4G, 13.3Color Screen
[02:21] <thr1ce> makoto, lol, try again :)
[02:21] <crimsun> dooglus: yes, of course (I started with Debian back in high school)
[02:21] <xabbu> makoto, have you checked ubuntuguide.org?
[02:21] <joshua> Amaranth, crimsun: where do you get backports
[02:21] <HrdwrBoB> iceman: not very well
[02:21] <thr1ce> iceman, sure thing; just grab the right iso
[02:21] <makoto> oh yes
[02:21] <tvakah> does anyone have php5 binaries for ubuntu yet? because I gave up apt-building off of dotdeb...
[02:21] <HrdwrBoB> iceman: 64mb really isn't enough
[02:21] <benbuntu> ok 20th time a charm I always say... going to try and hook up modem to ubutu box..
[02:21] <HrdwrBoB> tvakah: I just built from source
[02:21] <makoto> i have read that thing so many times my eyes are watery
[02:21] <dooglus> crimsun: I'm new to it - I was amazed that I could download all the required libraries and headers, download the source code, configure, build and package the latest 'evolution' with just 2 commands!
[02:21] <iceman> HrdwrBoB looking for a low cost mac to put linux on
[02:22] <crimsun> dooglus: yep, it's nifty like that
[02:22] <dooglus> one more command to install the .deb file and that's it!
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> iceman: get an ibook :)
[02:22] <makoto> i try to solve things before coming here.  I thought i was computer savvy, ubuntu proved me wrong
[02:22] <iceman>  HrdwrBoB what speed processor ...
[02:22] <dooglus> crimsun: what I was more surprised about was that the version of the app in the source repository was different than in the binary repository.
[02:22] <IIIEars> iceman - newegg.com always has a special. "loss leader"
[02:23] <xabbu> makoto, :)
[02:23] <thr1ce> dooglus, you went source to deb in 2 commands?
[02:23] <iceman> looking for a low low cost used system ...
[02:23] <makoto> so I update my suppositories :) through synaptic right?
[02:23] <crimsun> thr1ce: sudo apt-get build-dep foo && fakeroot apt-get -b source foo
[02:23] <thr1ce> makoto, or edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:23] <xabbu> makoto, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[02:24] <thr1ce> crimsun, that's from ANY source, even those not in the ubuntu repository?
[02:24] <iceman> i need a good mid range mac ... new are way to expencive ...
[02:24] <mz2> is there an easy way of compiling the same exact kernel that's now being run? i can't see that thing in /proc where the configuration would be in a .gz (or then i can't remember the name of the package correctly)
[02:24] <makoto> synaptic froze
[02:24] <makoto> aarrg
[02:24] <sevets> Does Ubuntu come with Samba installed?
[02:24] <makoto> what the equivalent of ctrl alt del in ubuntu?
[02:25] <IIIEars> iceman - Hewlett Packard $299 2.9ghz 256mb RAM http://shop4.outpost.com/template/computerspc/ - they are a huge warhouse store chain in the west.
[02:25] <Amaranth> no, you have to install it
[02:25] <Amaranth> makoto: Applications->System Tools->System Monitor
[02:25] <dooglus> thr1ce: no, I went from *nothing* to deb in 2 commands!
[02:25] <crimsun> thr1ce: any deb-src in your sources.list
[02:25] <sevets> danke
[02:25] <thr1ce> well, I wanted to build a .deb from complete source, something not in the repository
[02:26] <makoto> thx
[02:26] <thr1ce> like...say I want to build gaim-1.30 from the tarball
[02:26] <iceman> IIIEars na, want a chance to learn a mac. i build pc's ...
[02:26] <dooglus> thr1ce: for a general tarball, who knows what the compile instructions might be - the author can set up anything he likes.
[02:26] <dooglus> thr1ce: that's part of what packaging is about - making a standard way to build things
[02:27] <thr1ce> dooglus, I disagree; most package so that you can use ./configure to directly relate to your system
[02:27] <dooglus> thr1ce: for gaim though, you just "./configure; make" I think.  I don't know how to make the .deb files though
[02:27] <thr1ce> then making and installing- both standard
[02:27] <dooglus> thr1ce: ./configure is nothing to do with packaging
[02:27] <tchmnky> Anyone know why Gnome might refuse to start after grabbing latest Hoary updates?
[02:27] <tchmnky> Fresh install
[02:27] <dooglus> ./configure is an autoconf thing.
[02:28] <iceman> if i can't find a good mac .. then ill got laptops here ... http://www.truedataproducts.com/laptops.htm
[02:28] <thr1ce> dooglus, yes, you must configure and install to a DIR before you can package binaries
[02:28] <crimsun> it's pretty easy for gaim, too. You can uupdate from the new, extracted tarball.
[02:28] <bobbyd> tchmnky: check the logs?
[02:28] <dooglus> tchmnky: 'refuse to start', how exactly?  what do you see?
[02:28] <thr1ce> crimsun, say I want to install the latest gaim; what steps could do that?
[02:28] <IIIEars> iceman - nice link Thanks.
[02:28] <crimsun> thr1ce: (see above)
[02:28] <thr1ce> sudo apt-get build-dep gaim && fakeroot apt-get -b source gaim  ?
[02:29] <bob2> thr1ce: no
[02:29] <iceman> IIIEars ... np... wish i could find a good mac link like that
[02:29] <crimsun> thr1ce: drop the fakeroot and -b from the second command
[02:29] <kbrooks|circe> erm
[02:29] <crimsun> thr1ce: then take a look at the devscripts man pages
[02:29] <thr1ce> crimsun, that's neat; it'll detect the latest source release automatically?
[02:29] <dooglus> tchmnky: 'refuse to start', how exactly?  what do you see?
[02:29] <tchmnky> dooglus: it gets to the part where the gnome splash normally shows up, but after minutes, nothing happens.
[02:29] <crimsun> thr1ce: no, you have to do a bit more than that
[02:30] <dooglus> tchmnky: so you see no wallpaper, just the brown background?
[02:30] <thr1ce> crimsun, ooh, ok; and backports will likely be easier to use?
[02:30] <tchmnky> dooglus: that, and if I startx instead of using GDM, I see a strange hatched grey background instead.
[02:30] <crimsun> thr1ce: initially, perhaps. Of course, there's the omnipresent warning about ubp...
[02:30] <tchmnky> Since the root window probably hasn't been coloured brown or something like taht.
[02:31] <makoto> i went to  http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories  i think that thing is out of date.  I try to follow instructions put i have non e of the lines Im supposed to find in the source.list
[02:31] <thr1ce> crimsun, ubp?  I've never used backports; are they not recommended?
[02:31] <dooglus> tchmnky: I'm getting the same.  I found that the workaround is to use Control-Alt-F1 to get to a login prompt, log in there, then "sudo pkill esd" and the gnome continues to start up
[02:31] <dooglus> tchmnky: I don't know why it's happening - but esd seems to be starting up twice, and they somehow block gnome
[02:32] <crimsun> thr1ce: the choice to use them is yours.
[02:32] <tchmnky> dooglus: Ok. I'll try that. Thanks.
[02:32] <thr1ce> crimsun, is there a general consensus?
[02:32] <dooglus> tchmnky: alt-f7 to get back to X by the way
[02:33] <crimsun> thr1ce: depends with whom you side
[02:33] <tchmnky> dooglus: Yeah, I know. :) Doesn't look like it's worked though.
[02:33] <Tezkah> crimsun is a cool guy
[02:33] <thr1ce> crimsun, :)
[02:33] <dooglus> tchmnky: oh.  well, I tried :)
[02:33] <crimsun> thr1ce: many users appreciate using the latest-n-greatest, so they really like ubp
[02:33] <makoto> general question : Im strting do seriously doubt I should use Ubuntu.  I just want to listen to mp3. surf the net and be able to type in frnech and Japanese in a descent word processor.  I can't do any of this in Ubuntu after 2 days of hair pulling
[02:33] <makoto> should i go back to win xp
[02:34] <crimsun> thr1ce: many maintainers find ubp to be a severe thorn in their sides because of poor packaging
[02:34] <tchmnky> dooglus: I get "Could not init font path renderer for unix:7100, removing from list!"
[02:34] <kbrooks|circe> makoto: no
[02:34] <dooglus> makoto: it takes longer than 2 days to learn Japanese.  Really, I think your expectations of ubuntu are a little high.
[02:34] <bobbyd> makoto: whay can't you listen to music?
[02:34] <crimsun> thr1ce: nothing prevents you from using ubp. Just be aware of the caveat.
[02:34] <bobbyd> makoto: does your sound card work?
[02:34] <tchmnky> makoto: apt-get install mpg123?
[02:34] <makoto> my expecatations are too high> listen to mp3 s?
[02:35] <crimsun> hopefully since ubp is now an official [sub] project, the quality will be boosted
[02:35] <thr1ce> crimsun, i see; i just like to have a few packs updated (like gaim), and was wondering the best way to do it
[02:35] <Tezkah> uhh, it's terribly easy to use mp3s on ubuntu
[02:35] <kbrooks|circe> makoto: you cant say 'oh, ubuntu, DO THIS AND THAT! NOW! I COMMAND YOU!'
[02:35] <makoto> my sound card works but no multimedia does
[02:35] <makoto> not mp3
[02:35] <thr1ce> crimsun, and it seems breezy won't be stable for another month or two
[02:35] <makoto> Im very willing to learn
[02:35] <makoto> i have spent countless hours trying to set things up
[02:36] <Tezkah> makoto: what program are you using to play mp3s?
[02:36] <kbrooks|circe> makoto: did u read the ubuntu guide?
[02:36] <IIIEars> !sound
[02:36] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, IIIEars
[02:36] <makoto> yes I have read the guides
[02:36] <Tezkah> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:36] <makoto> i have tried a whole series of media players
[02:36] <makoto> you name it I tried it
[02:36] <tchmnky> Bah. I'll just boot into Damn Small Linux. I need an OS. I'll tackle this problem tomorrow when I'm more awake.
[02:37] <dooglus> tchmnky: is a process called 'xfs' running?
[02:37] <tchmnky> I can't see it on `top`.. But then not much does fit into `top`.
[02:37] <dooglus> tchmnky: ps -ef | grep xfs
[02:37] <varunr> thr1ce, rebooting with eth cable attached from the beginning worked...
[02:38] <thr1ce> varunr, good! :)
[02:38] <bobbyd> makoto: http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[02:38] <makoto> kbrooks : I am certainly not expecting to be able to give voice commands to ubuntu.  I am however, not willing to spent two hours entering code to complile a media player only to have it crash on me
[02:38] <tchmnky> dooglus: That cmd just sits there. I guess it's not running.
[02:38] <bobbyd> makoto: did you install the codecs?
[02:38] <makoto> tried that
[02:38] <] BreliC[> let's say you hop onto a wireless network (i.e. at a Uni) and when you fire up your browser, it redirects you to a logon page which will then allow you to access any network services (including internet).. what is that called?
[02:38] <makoto> the links are dead
[02:38] <dooglus> tchmnky: ps just sits there?
[02:38] <makoto> the codecs do not show up
[02:38] <tchmnky> grep just sits there, I think. Let me run it without the grep pipe
[02:38] <makoto> the gstreamer codec isn't there anymore
[02:39] <dooglus> tchmnky: export LC_ALL=C first.  there's a nasty grep bug in hoary
[02:39] <bobbyd> makoto: well, I installed ubuntu today and it all works. That's nonsense
[02:39] <bobbyd> makoto: I just installed it :)
[02:39] <] BreliC[> my WEP is not working in linux and i want to set up at least *some* security since i've discovered that there are a few other wifi networks in the area... but not sure the best way to proceed.. any ideas?
[02:39] <bobbyd> makoto: did you add the extra sources?
[02:39] <makoto> Im very happy for you
[02:39] <makoto> yes
[02:39] <IIIEars> makoto - enabled "universe Community supported" in synaptic?
[02:39] <bobbyd> makoto: well there must be something wrong with your net connection
[02:39] <makoto> ill try that now
[02:40] <bobbyd> makoto: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[02:40] <bobbyd> makoto: that's all i added
[02:40] <tchmnky> dooglus: still just sits there
[02:41] <makoto> the lines that are supposed to show up in the list are not there
[02:41] <dooglus> tchmnky: *weird*.   "ps -ef | grep xfs" right?
[02:41] <tchmnky> Yes.
[02:41] <tchmnky> And now I can't end the processes and I've run out of TTYs.
[02:41] <tchmnky> Damn.
[02:41] <IIIEars> !repositories
[02:41] <ubotu> IIIEars: I haven't a clue
[02:41] <dooglus> tchmnky: control-\ might kill them
[02:42] <compromizer> anyone know where i can get an mp3 decoder so i can play mp3s in ubuntu
[02:42] <tchmnky> compromizer: From synaptic. :)
[02:42] <bobbyd> compromizer: http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[02:42] <tchmnky> compromizer: You'll have to setup the universe/multiverse repositories first I think. See ubuntuforums.org
[02:42] <ablyss> libmp3 or something another
[02:42] <MicroChris> How can I add a trash launcher on my Desktop?
[02:42] <] BreliC[> anyone?  am i looking at setting up a proxy?  or something else?
[02:43] <GammaRay> compromizer: gstreamer-mad or xmms-mad
[02:43] <GammaRay> restrict yourself however you want
[02:44] <ablyss> it plays noise.. that's all i really need
[02:44] <bob2> wow
[02:44] <GammaRay> (not saying I don't perfer xmms)
[02:44] <bob2> someone asked about mp3s
[02:45] <bob2> and rather than pointing them at the wiki, one person pointed them to the forums in general, and one to ubuntu guide
[02:45] <bobbyd> bob2: is that a common question?
[02:45] <Amaranth> !mp3
[02:45] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Amaranth
[02:45] <Amaranth> err
[02:45] <bobbyd> bob2: put the URL in the topic then
[02:45] <bob2> bobbyd: no
[02:45] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> I'm sure that soon ubuntu will have to drop mp3 support for licensing reasons
[02:45] <bob2> bobbyd: the topis is full, and it's in the FAQ
[02:45] <GammaRay> Pop_pa_FrEaK: it already did
[02:45] <bob2> Pop_pa_FrEaK: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, it did for patent reasons
[02:45] <GammaRay> since the start
[02:46] <dutch> later
[02:46] <GammaRay> mp3 is in some unsupported repository
[02:47] <bobbyd> bob2: I'm terribly sorry for trying to help someone :)
[02:47] <Chislon> can i again get some numbers help, i keep hearing different things, i have 736mb ram, i have currently only windows installed on my one partition hard drive, about 14 gb used, about 40 free, i want to dual boot ubuntu, how big should the boot partition be? how big should swap be? someone suggested doing / and /home on seperate partitions, how big should those be? will the ubuntu installer automatically do that? as i have no idea h
[02:47] <Chislon> ow to do that? and or anything else?
[02:47] <IIIEars> FFmpeg "The end draws near..." Was posted on sourceforge for FFmpeg  MPlayer, xine, VLC, avifile,and gstreamer are based on it. according to the page. http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/
[02:47] <Amaranth> cafuego: ubotu is completely broken
[02:47] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> that's ok if they drop support for mp3 i was going to go either Ogg or musepack for my music anyways
[02:48] <bob2> Chislon: you don't need a seperate boot partition
[02:48] <bob2> Chislon: 5GB for /, 512MB for swap and the rest for /home is plenty
[02:48] <nickrud> GammaRay, that's not a fair thing to say, universe is supported, by volunteers
[02:48] <GammaRay> you also don't need a /home
[02:48] <IIIEars> Nice helpful bot. - just needs a password
[02:48] <bob2> bobbyd: that's not what I was saying
[02:48] <bob2> GammaRay: and you don't need a swap partition, but it's nice to have
[02:49] <Amaranth> IIIEars: it has a password
[02:49] <GammaRay> bob2: not exactly comparable
[02:49] <IIIEars> he gets amnesia
[02:49] <cafuego> Amaranth: ubotu seems to on occasion mess up its factoid mysql table.
[02:49] <GammaRay> bob2: and a swap file is nicer anyways
[02:49] <bob2> GammaRay: indeed
[02:49] <Amaranth> cafuego: nice
[02:49] <Chislon> bob2 ok, a /home just makes it so that if i mess up my linux all my data is nice and safe right? and how do i do or waht do i do for the booting to be dual boot adn such correctly then?
[02:49] <Chislon> or anyone
[02:49] <bob2> Chislon: right
[02:49] <Amaranth> cafuego: recoverable or is it all lost?
[02:49] <tchmnky> dooglus, I'm back now, in Gnome. A simple reboot cured it. Odd bug though. And ESD is running and sound works. :)
[02:49] <bob2> Chislon: ubuntu will setup bual-booting during the install
[02:50] <cafuego> Amaranth: recoverable; I need to kill the bot, fix mysql, start the bot.
[02:50] <IIIEars> cafuego - you have worked really hard on ubotu. - thanks :0
[02:50] <Chislon> bob2 doesnt it ask me which partition to put the boot stuff on tho?
[02:50] <cafuego> IIIEars: it's a bit pouintlessif it just goes and fucks itself up twice a day, though.
[02:50] <nutorian> your gay spencer
[02:50] <bob2> Chislon: no, it puts grub in the MBR
[02:50] <nutorian> fuck tou
[02:50] <sinope> how can i change my host and domain names?
[02:50] <bob2> nutorian: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[02:50] <Chislon> bob2 ok, i thoght i read that that could mess up windows?
[02:51] <IIIEars> cafuego - what does "info" do?
[02:51] <bob2> Chislon: doubt it
[02:51] <GammaRay> having a /home hardly protects you from anything except other users filling up the hard drive. anything that will screw up /usr will screw up home seamlessly.
[02:51] <webg9> hi, does anyone know off the top of their head how to install a linksys wireless card in ubuntu, or how i can find out?
[02:51] <bob2> erm
[02:51] <bob2> no
[02:51] <GammaRay> nickrud: I meant supported by the distro officially
[02:51] <bob2> it means when you reinstall, you keep all your user data
[02:52] <Amaranth> GammaRay: you can't reinstall and not lose all your data if you don't have a /home
[02:52] <bob2> webg9: depends entirely on the chipset
[02:52] <dooglus> tchmnky: does "ps -ef | grep xfs" still hang?
[02:52] <dooglus> (don't try it in all 6 windows...)
[02:52] <GammaRay> why would you reinstall w/out a backup?
[02:52] <Chislon> bob2, GammaRay ok so... should i just not do a /home then? and, why do you say a file is better, i thought i read a file is slower to have?
[02:52] <Amaranth> GammaRay: Some of us can't backup 46GB of stuff.
[02:52] <bob2> not having to restore backups is very handy
[02:53] <bob2> Chislon: I'd recommend a /home, but it's not essential
[02:53] <Amaranth> ubotu: conduct is please read and follow http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[02:53] <ubotu> ...but conduct is already something else...
[02:53] <Chislon> bob2 ok, and whsat about the swap partition vs file controversy?
[02:53] <Amaranth> !conduct
[02:53] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, conduct is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view
[02:53] <bob2> Chislon: a swap file is only very slightly slower than a swap partition
[02:53] <GammaRay> well ok.. if you really see yourself reinstalling all the often...
[02:53] <Amaranth> that's, lame
[02:53] <tchmnky> dooglus, no, it runs and exits normally.
[02:53] <cafuego> I wonder if I should trash its current factoid table.
[02:53] <Amaranth> cafuego: no way
[02:53] <webg9> i looked in ubunutu help and could not find it
[02:53] <tchmnky> dooglus, and xfs is running
[02:53] <Chislon> bob2 ok... what do you recommend partition or file?
[02:53] <xterminus> anyone use use ubuntu/xorg and the latest nvidia drivers?
[02:53] <Amaranth> cafuego: we have lots of good stuff in there
[02:53] <cafuego> Amaranth: I can of course back 2 week's worth of entries.
[02:53] <dooglus> tchmnky: very strange.  i've never seen that before.  ps|grep hanging???
[02:54] <bob2> webg9: you need to look at the card to find what chipset it is
[02:54] <xterminus> they seem REALLY unstable here - at least in comparison to my last distro - gentoo
[02:54] <IIIEars> cafuego - N-o-o-o! - lol (covers eyes)
[02:54] <cafuego> Amaranth: I'm just wondering if the other 15,000 factoids are somehow messing it up.
[02:54] <Mez> can someone try and finger me ?
[02:54] <bob2> Chislon: if you can do a partition, do it...if not, don't bother
[02:54] <Chislon> someone else suggested 8 - 12 gm for / i think, but i didnt understand everything on the site or something
[02:54] <cafuego> !status
[02:54] <Amaranth> cafuego: it comes with factoids built in?
[02:54] <thr1ce> !status
[02:54] <GammaRay> Chislon: you have to know how to create a swap file. the commands dd, mkswap, and swapon
[02:54] <thr1ce> ?
[02:54] <cafuego> Amaranth: I installed the #debian database from apt, ages ago.
[02:54] <tchmnky> dooglus, it WAS hanging, but no longer.
[02:54] <Mez> norm_, I mean the linux command finger
[02:54] <anto9us> Mez: no response
[02:54] <Mez> finger @mezzle.info
[02:54] <Chislon> GammaRay, ok, thank you
[02:54] <cafuego> !+status
[02:54] <ubotu> Since Mon Jun  6 10:52:29 2005, there have been 0 modifications and 2 questions and 0 dunnos and 0 morons and 0 commands.  I have been awake for 2m 25s this session, and currently reference 23697 factoids.  I'm using about 15448 kB of memory.
[02:55] <cafuego> See, 23,697 entries
[02:55] <Amaranth> cafuego: *shudder*
[02:55] <dooglus> tchmnky: right.  it's strange that it *was* hanging.
[02:55] <GammaRay> Chislon: it can be nice since you can resize it at anytime
[02:55] <cafuego> Why don't I cull that back to just ubuntu ones.
[02:55] <Chislon> GammaRay, kool
[02:55] <Amaranth> cafuego: Ok, why did you tell me it supported !+?
[02:55] <Amaranth> cafuego: err, didn't
[02:55] <tchmnky> dooglus, last thing i recall after doing a synaptic update was removing an icon from the panel. Then the panel hung, and xchat was the only thing that responded. Anyway, thanks for helping out. :)
[02:55] <Chislon> bob2 what is ur thoughts on the suggest 8 - 12 from the other guy? or just so 5 is good?
[02:55] <IIIEars> << - hides behind Amaranth and cautiously peers over shoulder.
[02:55] <cafuego> Amaranth: Just reliased it :-)
[02:55] <webg9> anyone willing to help me install a wireless card to ubunut, i realize you guys are way beyond this sort of thing...
[02:56] <dooglus> not at all tchmnky
[02:56] <Amaranth> cafuego: ok, make ! always go to PM again please, !+ can make it public
[02:56] <GammaRay> Chislon: http://www.faqs.org/docs/linux_admin/x1762.html
[02:56] <webg9> d
[02:56] <Amaranth> cafuego: that way you have to mean to tell everyone to have it speak in the channel
[02:56] <bob2> webg9: you need to find what chipset it uses
[02:57] <bob2> webg9: it's very hard for people to help until you do
[02:57] <bob2> webg9: look in the instruction booklet
[02:57] <bob2> Chislon: 5gb is plenty if /home is sperate (and it's not a server that will fill up /var)
[02:57] <Seraf> I can't get my sound to work.
[02:57] <Chislon> GammaRay, thank you
[02:57] <Chislon> bob2, ok great thank you
[02:58] <cafuego> Amaranth: ' return if ($force_public_reply);'  <-- done
[02:58] <Chislon> can a swapfile fragment?
[02:58] <crimsun> Chislon: if it does, something is horribly broken
[02:58] <GammaRay> hmm
[02:58] <Amaranth> cafuego: awesome
[02:58] <Chislon> crimsun, ok thank youi
[02:58] <Amaranth> cafuego: any luck with the dcc module?
[02:58] <Chislon> *you
[02:59] <Chislon> but thats why on windows you use disk defragmenter, because in essence the SWAP gets fragmented? and so i take it you never defrag linux?
[02:59] <ablyss> not just the swap
[02:59] <cafuego> Amaranth: I think mny firewall is interfering with it
[02:59] <cafuego> Amaranth: problem is, I can't switch that off.
[02:59] <ablyss> i've heard its okay to defrag linux if you runa mail server
[02:59] <Chislon> ablyss, ok, but whatever it is it doesnt exist on linux?
[02:59] <Chislon> ablyss, oh ok
[03:00] <Chislon> ablyss, otherwise no defrag linux?
[03:00] <Amaranth> cafuego: you can open a port though
[03:00] <ablyss> it does exist on linux, has exist for about 10 years or mre
[03:00] <Chislon> ablyss, ok thank you
[03:00] <cafuego> Amaranth: Yeah
[03:00] <ablyss> just you dont see a defrag tool natively shipped with linux... at least i dont
[03:01] <cafuego> Amaranth: I'm not certain the bot can be told chich port to accept dcc on, though
[03:01] <Amaranth> cafuego: it's standardized, isn't it?
[03:01] <Amaranth> cafuego: can you use a level 7 rule and allow dcc?
[03:01] <cafuego> Amaranth: Ij theory it uses libnet-irc-perl
[03:01] <Amaranth> cafuego: i don't know if level 7 recognizes dcc though
[03:02] <cafuego> Amaranth: Can you msg me a sample line?
[03:02] <ablyss> but with all the new file systems such as rieserfs and xfs.. I would think fragmented files are rare
[03:02] <Amaranth> cafuego: no fscking clue, it was on ubuntu-devel ml
[03:02] <cafuego> Amaranth: <heh>
[03:03] <tandy> anyone know of an easy quick fax program?
[03:03] <makoto> its hilarious : i try to play a divx movie : totem movie player plays sound but has no image, kaffeine crashes, noatun show the images no sound....
[03:03] <Amaranth> iptables -A OUTPUT -p TCP -m layer7 --l7proto http -j ALLOW
[03:03] <Amaranth> iptables -A INPUT -m layer7 --l7proto bittorent -j DROP
[03:03] <Amaranth> cafuego: ^
[03:03] <Chislon> ablyss, kool, thank yo
[03:03] <Chislon> you
[03:03] <ablyss> mplayer works wonderful me thinks for divx
[03:04] <makoto> ill try
[03:04] <cafuego> Amaranth: AH ok. I was hoping ip_conntrack_irc would do it
[03:04] <GammaRay> makoto: have you tried totem-xine?
[03:04] <makoto> no
[03:04] <ablyss> mplayer is console based.. but you can set it to open media files with gnome or whatever ...
[03:05] <makoto> btw how can I write in red like that to a specific person?
[03:05] <ablyss> type there nick
[03:05] <ablyss> their*
[03:05] <GammaRay> the color will depend on the client (-;
[03:06] <makoto> GammaRay no I havent
[03:06] <makoto> GammaRay : How can I get it
[03:06] <GammaRay> it's bright neon green here
[03:06] <biovore> this channel is set +c (no color)
[03:07] <cafuego> The client can do hilighting though
[03:07] <makoto> my problem is I don<t know how to download and install software yet
[03:07] <tandy> im just lookign for somethign simple like faxing on windows xp
[03:07] <biovore> yeah, thats IRC client side..
[03:07] <cafuego> Ok.
[03:08] <GammaRay> makoto: it's in universe
[03:08] <makoto> can I get totem xine from the terminal?
[03:09] <makoto> through synaptic?
[03:09] <GammaRay> you will have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add univserse to the line that has "fetch updated software" in it
[03:09] <makoto> synaptic will not open anymore, it crashes every time
[03:10] <GammaRay> make that universe. not univserse
[03:10] <GammaRay> then run sudo apt-get update
[03:10] <GammaRay> err I mean the line after that line (-;
[03:11] <makoto> this is what i have in sources list
[03:11] <makoto> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network
[03:11] <makoto> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[03:11] <makoto> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[03:11] <makoto> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch major bug fix updates produced
[03:11] <makoto> ## after the final release of the distribution.
[03:11] <makoto> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[03:11] <makoto> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[03:11] <makoto> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[03:11] <makoto> ## repository.
[03:11] <makoto> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[03:11] <makoto> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[03:11] <makoto> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[03:11] <makoto> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[03:11] <GammaRay> eeep
[03:11] <makoto> ## team.
[03:11] <makoto> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[03:11] <makoto> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[03:11] <makoto> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[03:11] <makoto> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[03:11] <makoto> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[03:11] <makoto> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[03:11] <makoto> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[03:11] <makoto> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[03:11] <Mez> god I'm so bored
[03:11] <makoto> ## Backports
[03:11] <makoto> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[03:11] <makoto> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricte
[03:11] <makoto> isn't there at the bottom?
[03:11] <crimsun> makoto: please use #flood next time, thanks :)
[03:12] <makoto> sorry
[03:12] <makoto> what is #flood?
[03:12] <rancorus> how do i download real player for ubuntu ?
[03:12] <crimsun> rancorus: use the testing branch of debian-marillat. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:12] <crimsun> makoto: it's a paste channel
[03:12] <GammaRay> makoto: http://rafb.net/paste/ for next time
[03:12] <cafuego> !install
[03:12] <ubotu> cafuego: Are you smoking crack?
[03:13] <makoto> ok sorry people
[03:13] <cafuego> ubotu: yes.
[03:13] <ubotu> No idea, cafuego
[03:13] <GammaRay> makoto: looks like you already have universe
[03:13] <makoto> ko
[03:13] <makoto> ok
[03:13] <makoto> so now?
[03:13] <makoto> sudo apt-get update?
[03:14] <GammaRay> yep, to be safe.. no idea when or if ever you last did that
[03:14] <makoto> about ten minutes ago
[03:14] <GammaRay> heh.. ok then
[03:14] <makoto> but i'll do it again
[03:14] <GammaRay> no need
[03:15] <makoto> i get errors at the end
[03:15] <makoto> last time and this time
[03:15] <GammaRay> paste then on that site and paste the url it gives here
[03:15] <GammaRay> s/then/them
[03:16] <makoto> ok
[03:16] <makoto> http://rafb.net/paste/results/dUCsm916.html
[03:17] <GammaRay> seems you have a dud repository but it should not effect this
[03:18] <makoto> ok
[03:18] <GammaRay> err affect
[03:18] <makoto> I understood
[03:18] <makoto> I also got errors when downloading the mp3 plugin
[03:18] <makoto> forgot the name
[03:19] <tm|rents> is there something wrong with security.ubuntu.com?
[03:19] <GammaRay> sudo apt-get install totem-xine should get totem-xine
[03:19] <makoto> ok i<ll try
[03:19] <GammaRay> mplayer is probably also there btw
[03:20] <JoshYme1> What is a good gnutella client for Linux?
[03:20] <makoto> sudo apt - get install mplayer?
[03:20] <GammaRay> JairunCaloth: I like gtk-gnutella
[03:20] <GammaRay> makoto: w/ a 2 less spaces yes
[03:21] <JoshYme1> GammaRay, I'm having a problem with java - i downloaded it and installed but when i try to run it - it says there is no java vm
[03:21] <DAC1138> JoshYme1, limewire
[03:21] <makoto> more erros messages for totem
[03:21] <makoto> i;l paste
[03:21] <makoto> the url
[03:22] <DAC1138> is anyone here using vmware?
[03:22] <makoto> http://rafb.net/paste/results/frxTDz74.html
[03:23] <GammaRay> makoto: same error as before. you may want to comment out the line w/ ubuntu-backports in it
[03:23] <JoshYme1> What is the best way to install java??
[03:23] <DAC1138> JoshYme1, apt-get
[03:23] <makoto> put a # in front right?
[03:23] <GammaRay> yea
[03:23] <JoshYme1> DAC1138, what would i type for java?
[03:23] <DAC1138> JoshYme1, java
[03:23] <DAC1138> JoshYme1, look for java RE, or runtime environment
[03:23] <GammaRay> JoshYme1: one reason I like gtkg is it's non-java, so I won't be much help there
[03:24] <DAC1138> JoshYme1, use synaptic
[03:24] <JoshYme1> GammaRay, how did you get gtkg?
[03:25] <GammaRay> JoshYme1: it's in universe
[03:25] <makoto> can't edit the sources file
[03:25] <dtradd> Hello everyone
[03:26] <GammaRay> makoto: try sudo /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:26] <GammaRay> makoto: try sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:26] <GammaRay> I mean
[03:26] <tsume_> java is a joke
[03:27] <GammaRay> nano may not be installed... not sure
[03:27] <Chislon> do i need to read the warty ubuntu install guide, or should i just resize my windows partition and run the install program? and so all i need to do is make it smaller? and i dont need to make a boot area for ubuntu in the front of the drive? and ubuntu will do the rest of the partitioning, will it enable me to do seperate / and /home partitions?
[03:27] <DAC1138> tsume_, it is, isnt it. i mean a whole bunch of apps use it and web apps use it too. its such a useless tool
[03:27] <dtradd> I'm having trouble with k3b, it complains about: "Could not find mime type application/octect-stream"
[03:27] <ipmasta> 
[03:27] <dtradd> Has someone solved this problem?
[03:28] <Epix> What is a good IDE that will work with Ubuntu? Im editing Ruby code.
[03:28] <GammaRay> Chislon: I'm really only familiar with manual partitioning w/ ubuntu
[03:29] <tsume_> DAC1138: yes, it is a useless tool
[03:29] <Chislon> GammaRay, ok thank you
[03:29] <tsume_> DAC1138: its like having a scratched up screw driver. It works, but not pretty, nor having the reliabilty since its all scratched up
[03:30] <Chislon> GammaRay, can i mannual partition w/ ubuntu and do the / and /home?  what do i need to do before running the installer? just make the windows partition smaller? no need for space at front of drive? and then should i read anything or just run the installer?
[03:30] <DAC1138> tsume_, so why dont you make something that's not "Scratched up"? make something better that's almost as universal as java
[03:30] <Mez> w00t
[03:30] <Mez> Micorosoft Special deals!
[03:31] <Xyc0> Wow i am having the hardest time with graphic drivers
[03:31] <Xyc0> I've followed every how to i can find
[03:31] <makoto> pablo@DESKTOP:~$ sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[03:31] <makoto> E: Type 'i' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:31] <makoto> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[03:31] <makoto> pablo@DESKTOP:~$
[03:31] <GammaRay> Chislon: yes, nothing, can be done during the install, no, it's always good to read up first
[03:31] <makoto> pablo@DESKTOP:~$ sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[03:31] <makoto> E: Type 'i' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:31] <makoto> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[03:31] <makoto> pablo@DESKTOP:~$
[03:31] <makoto> oops sorry
[03:31] <makoto> didnt mean to do that
[03:32] <bob2> makoto: so, line 1 of that file is wrong
[03:32] <Chislon> GammaRay, ok thank you
[03:32] <Xyc0> Anyone sucessfuly install the ATI drivers on Hoary?
[03:32] <Epix> makoto, pastebin your sources.list
[03:32] <makoto> bob2 : the install bit?
[03:32] <dtradd> Any of you have had a trouble with k3b complaining about some trouble to create io-slave
[03:32] <GammaRay> Chislon: actually, change the second answer to "backup!"
[03:33] <bob2> Xyc0: lots of people, by following http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:33] <tsume_> DAC1138: that already exists in a langauge called C++
[03:33] <Chislon> GammaRay, heh heh ok, thank you
[03:33] <bob2> makoto: I don't know, only you can see that file at the moment
[03:33] <makoto> hwta dies pastebin mean. sorry
[03:33] <tsume_> DAC1138: there are portable libraries to use like STLport, which even work on a illwritten OS like HPUX
[03:33] <Chislon> how long does ubuntu take to install? like once starting the install program and assuming everything goes smoothly, and pretending that i know wha tim doing
[03:33] <Xyc0> bob2: that was the first how to i followed, that ended in a screen full of Buffer I/O Errors
[03:34] <bob2> Xyc0: I'd be very very very surprised if the drivers caused that
[03:34] <Xyc0> bob2:  that is the only thing i changed
[03:34] <bob2> Chislon: depends a lot on hard disk speed.  took ~50 minutes last time I did it
[03:34] <Chislon> bob2, ok thank you
[03:34] <Timbo> Chislon: it's almost entirely automated
[03:34] <Timbo> so just a few questions
[03:34] <Xyc0> bob2:  infact, i am reinstalling ubuntu just to try again from scratch
[03:35] <Timbo> then leave it to sit for a while
[03:35] <bob2> Chislon: most of that time you can be elsewhere
[03:35] <makoto> http://rafb.net/paste/results/uKfoxr11.html
[03:35] <Chislon> Timbo, ok, but im not sure how to do the partitioning, as it couldnt do the guided partitinoing, and so i wanst sure what to do, so i aborted and then have been reading up to figure out what to do ^^
[03:35] <DAC1138> tsume_, so i can have an embeded c++ applet within my website? wow, that's news to me
[03:35] <makoto> Epix : here is my source list
[03:36] <Xyc0> makoto, dont past in IRC please
[03:36] <Xyc0> paste bot or anything else will do
[03:37] <tsume_> DAC1138: I guess you've never heard of activeX.. damn what a noob :)
[03:37] <makoto> ok
[03:37] <nickrud> makoto, delete the i that starts the first line
[03:37] <DAC1138> tsume_, im a noob? its n00b you idiot, and first off, activeX is the most untrusted web app on the net
[03:37] <tsume_> DAC1138: activeX isn't microsoft material btw. A different company invented it. You can actually use activeX applets in Moz/ff
[03:37] <leo_mx> if i want to remove the java because i installed it in a wrong directory.. then i just have to delete that directory?
[03:37] <DAC1138> tsume_, its less reliable than java, and go so many security holes
[03:38] <makoto> right
[03:38] <tsume_> DAC1138: invent a trust plugin then for IE and FF
[03:38] <makoto> thx
[03:38] <makoto> should have seen that
[03:38] <nickrud> makoto, and, the last line, add a d to restricte
[03:38] <tsume_> DAC1138: and yet much faster and feature filled.....
[03:38] <DAC1138> tsume_, why? im quite happy with java
[03:38] <tsume_> DAC1138: I pity people like you.
[03:38] <DAC1138> tsume_, with bigger IQs?
[03:39] <makoto> whats the easiest way to edit the source.kist
[03:40] <makoto> list
[03:40] <DAC1138> makoto, vi
[03:40] <makoto> when i open it a cannot save
[03:40] <nickrud> mako, use sudo gedit, it's easiest
[03:40] <crimsun> makoto: you need root privileges. Try gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:40] <tsume_> nickrud: you can't gedit when X isn't even installed ;)
[03:40] <nickrud> mako, sorry, tsume_ missed that :)
[03:40] <crimsun> makoto: otherwise, try sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:41] <shiv> I installed the 855resolution all works fine on my dell 700m except that the size of windows is too big..any suggestions?
[03:41] <bernouli> if i have a router which connect to the internet, and i use internet through the router, now i want to block all lan connection, can i use this rule? http://pastebin.com/295768
[03:41] <JoshYme1> I tried to install gtkgnutella but got all kinds of errors - is there an easier way to install?
[03:41] <Epix> what is better vim or emacs?
[03:42] <makoto> I get an empty page
[03:42] <tsume_> JoshYme1: manually
[03:42] <JoshYme1> tsume_, that is how i was trying to do it.  can you not get it through apt?
[03:42] <makoto> nano worked
[03:42] <tsume_> JoshYme1: mmmm
[03:43] <bob2> JoshYme1: why not install the package?
[03:43] <tsume_> JoshYme1: apt-get install gtk-gnutella
[03:43] <bernouli> anyone?
[03:43] <makoto> how do I save
[03:43] <makoto> ?
[03:43] <tsume_> makoto: :wq
[03:44] <tsume_> makoto: : == enter command
[03:44] <shiv> I installed the 855resolution all works fine on my dell 700m except that the size of windows is too big..any suggestions?
[03:44] <tsume_> w == write, q == quit
[03:44] <viktor> hi.. i have a small problem.. when i do anything with apt i get a errormsg with linux-image-2.6.10-5-386.. and it's coz of "/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: Cannot determine root device"
[03:44] <viktor> how to fix that?
[03:44] <tsume_> viktor: nice!
[03:44] <leo_mx> how can i open th "system monitor" from the command line?
[03:44] <nickrud> makoto, in nano, the commands are at the bottom of the screen
[03:45] <tsume_> leo_mx: top?
[03:45] <viktor> tsume_, thats nice?
[03:45] <bob2> viktor: are you using backports?
[03:45] <tsume_> nickrud: real people remember commands :)
[03:45] <viktor> i just installed kubuntu
[03:45] <viktor> havent really done anything yet :P
[03:45] <makoto> i saw, but i could not see a save commad
[03:45] <tsume_> viktor: thats nice, because I've never seen that before
[03:45] <makoto> command
[03:45] <nickrud> tsume_, unless you only look at them every couple of years, then brain rot occurs
[03:45] <viktor> tsume_, i googled on that and someone had pasted it on a pastebin site.. but i saw no solution
[03:46] <nickrud> makoto, ctl-x
[03:46] <tsume_> nickrud: I use vi/vim on a daily basis
[03:46] <viktor> Failed to create initrd image. too btw..
[03:46] <viktor> :P
[03:46] <makoto> ok done
[03:46] <makoto> thx nickrud
[03:47] <JoshYme1> what is the best way to get results with gtk gnutella?  I only have 4 nodes and 2.73 gig to search from??
[03:47] <^thehatsrule^> firewall?
[03:47] <JoshYme1> shouldn't have one?
[03:48] <GammaRay> rather, should forward certian ports through it
[03:48] <IIIEars> makoto - looks like you are making good progress :)
[03:48] <makoto> nope
[03:49] <GammaRay> using vi; progress? pfft! :-P
[03:49] <makoto> but htanks for the encouragment
[03:49] <JoshYme1> GammaRay, Does it take it awhile to connect to various hosts?
[03:50] <GammaRay> JoshYme1: downloads or ultrapeers?
[03:50] <GammaRay> there is a #gtk-gnutella btw
[03:51] <Xyc0> How can I check to make sure I installed ATI Drivers correctly?
[03:51] <JoshYme1> GammaRay, Downloads.  i mean i'm only conncted to abouyt 3 gigs of stff
[03:51] <ompaul> Xyc0, one clue may come from lsmod
[03:51] <nickrud> oh, and tsume_ thanks for the heads up that breezy was updateable :)
[03:51] <leo_mx> im a linux newbie...and im learning to use the terminal... when i read a manual in the terminal and i get to its end...how can i get out of the manual and keep using the terminal without having to open a new one
[03:51] <OddAbe19> hmmm... anyone know how to turn on SBA and Fast writes for NVIDIA? once the binary is installed (daniel, i'm looking at you :-P)
[03:52] <GammaRay> leo_mx: hit q
[03:52] <leo_mx> thanks GammaRay
[03:52] <IIIEars> crimsun - eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument Has this ever happened to you?
[03:53] <leo_mx> ohh cool...this rocks... and..if i want to uninstall some program? for example...java....i just need to delete the java folder?
[03:53] <crimsun> IIIEars: yes, when gam_server (via nautilus?) is holding open fds on the device
[03:53] <makoto> what is the file called? totem xine?
[03:54] <lok> does someone know a methode to convert a whole web page and it's link in a pdf or a file format like this ?
[03:54] <crimsun> makoto: usually just totem
[03:54] <IIIEars> crimsun - What is the next step?
[03:54] <nickrud> makoto, can you run synaptic now?
[03:54] <makoto> no its another one
[03:54] <Xyc0> leo_mx: no you can use synapitcs for that
[03:54] <makoto> i'll try
[03:54] <dooglus> leo_mx: hit 'h' while reading a manual page to get 'help' - it will show you all the keys
[03:54] <odie5533> How do I download and use GCC to compile a C++ program?
[03:54] <crimsun> IIIEars: after ensuring you have no windows/applications open that reference the device, I kill the process holding it open
[03:54] <OddAbe19> hmmm... anyone know how to turn on SBA and Fast writes for NVIDIA? once the binary is installed
[03:54] <lok> odie5533, it's g++
[03:55] <makoto> nope
[03:55] <crimsun> odie5533: install build-essential
[03:55] <thoreauputic> odie5533: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:55] <dooglus> leo_mx: if you're "learning the terminal", you can uninstall stuff using apt-get:  "apt-get remove java" (or whatever the package is called)
[03:55] <IIIEars> crimsun - umount -f /dev/cdrom "device not mounted"
[03:55] <makoto> it tries to load for 30 seconds then disapears
[03:55] <IIIEars> crimsun - You are a guru. - Thank You.
[03:55] <odie5533> what is buil-essential?
[03:55] <nickrud> makoto, eh
[03:55] <makoto> yeah
[03:56] <cafuego> !hi
[03:56] <Senkila> 'lo
[03:56] <cafuego> !hi
[03:56] <Senkila> =)
[03:56] <thoreauputic> odie5533: meta-package with compiling tools etc
[03:56] <odie5533> should I remove gcc?
[03:56] <tsume_> ubotu: !quit
[03:56] <tsume_> :P
[03:57] <ompaul> odie5533, to get the full text sudo apt-cache show build-essential
[03:57] <tsume_> cafuego: what the hell are you doing here?
[03:57] <makoto> http://rafb.net/paste/results/wcas6i63.html
[03:57] <makoto> my source list again
[03:57] <nt> will someone give me minimal video memory to run gnome on ubuntu decenty
[03:58] <ompaul> nt as much as you can spate
[03:58] <ompaul> nt as much as you can spare
[03:58] <nt> ok
[03:58] <nt> then maybe this is my problem
[03:58] <ubotu> nt: okay
[03:58] <cafuego> tsume_: nothing at all
[03:58] <thoreauputic> odie5533: no need to remove anything: apt will take care of it
[03:58] <OddAbe19> hmmm... anyone know how to turn on SBA and Fast writes for NVIDIA? once the binary is installed
[03:58] <ubotu> that's too long, OddAbe19
[03:58] <odie5533> does Linux not use iostream?
[03:58] <ompaul> nt really not so good until you get over 32MB
[03:58] <makoto> is the fact that im running KDE a problem?
[03:58] <OddAbe19> ?
[03:58] <nt> im running it on a shared onboard sis controler with 8mb of memory
[03:58] <nt> and its running like SHIT
[03:59] <ompaul> nt emm that might explain a thing or two
[03:59] <nt> ok good
[03:59] <nt> im glad
[03:59] <bernouli> if i do iptables-restore < iptables.rules, it said line 1 failed
[03:59] <nt> because a 30 dollar card will have me running sweet
[03:59] <japoede1> Does anyone know what the easiest way to create an iso file from a cd-rom is?
[04:00] <ompaul> nt you how much ram has the box got in total?
[04:00] <bob2> japoede1: dd if=/dev/cdrom ~/image.iso
[04:00] <nt> 512
[04:00] <nt> on a k26-500mhz
[04:00] <nt> but system only allows me to share 8mb of video ram
[04:00] <ompaul> nt ooch
[04:00] <japoede1> great! will that stick it on the desktop?
[04:00] <nt> 500mhz ouch?
[04:00] <nt> or the 8mb of ram ouch?
[04:01] <ompaul> nt no the 8mb but 500mhz is ooooooooooooo
[04:01] <ompaul> nt more like oooOOOOOooooo
[04:01] <amonkey> is there a package that will let xmms stop playing after the current song?
[04:01] <odie5533> Ah there we are, forgot namespace usage (new to cpp). Is there a way to have Emacs automatically run my console script (IE g++ <filename>)?
[04:01] <ompaul> its 3am I better hit the scratcher
[04:02] <nt> will gnome run decent on a 500mhz box?
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> nt: it runs ok on my celeron 700mhz laptop
[04:02] <dooglus> japoede1: that won't stick it on the desktop
[04:03] <dooglus> japoede1: "dd if=/dev/cdrom ~/Desktop/image.iso" will though
[04:03] <makoto> i di dapt-get for totem xine and for mplayer.  How can I load them now?
[04:03] <makoto> di = did
[04:03] <japoede1> great, thanks
[04:04] <JoshYme1> I have installed Java but it continues to say I have no VM in my path.  What gives??
[04:04] <thoreauputic> !java
[04:04] <dr_willis> check your path?
[04:04] <thr1ce> anyone have any luck with external USB sound cards?
[04:04] <dooglus> japoede1: actually, it looks like bob2 may have missed a bit: "dd if=/dev/cdrom of=~/Desktop/image.iso" will though
[04:04] <thoreauputic> hmm
[04:04] <bob2> dooglus: er, right
[04:05] <bob2> japoede1: what dooglus said, my mistake, sorry
[04:05] <dr_willis> thr1ce,  seen one of those. :P but no idea if they work.
[04:05] <benbuntu> anyone know where I can get a good fw script?
[04:05] <lok> cat /dev/cdrom > image.iso
[04:05] <lok> :)
[04:06] <dooglus> bob2: I took your word for it - thought maybe the 'of=' bit was the default if you didn't specify it.  didn't work though :(
[04:06] <bob2> dooglus: nah, you need either of= or >
[04:06] <thoreauputic> has ubotu been banished ?
[04:06] <HostingGeek> This channel is killing my ram
[04:06] <bob2> it's broken atm
[04:06] <bob2> HostingGeek: then /part
[04:06] <thoreauputic> ah
[04:06] <HostingGeek> I got 50k lines in my buffer
[04:06] <HostingGeek> cya all
[04:06] <HostingGeek> !ubotu cya
[04:07] <HostingGeek> Hmm where did the bot go?
[04:07] <HostingGeek> anyway cya
[04:07] <Iceman> #slax
[04:09] <japoede1> thanks, for the correction before.  I was having a little trouble.
[04:09] <thr1ce> anyway to see if the external, USB soundcard was detected during boot?
[04:09] <thr1ce> i with lspci did it
[04:09] <bob2> lspci shows pci devices
[04:09] <bob2> not usb ones
[04:10] <thr1ce> lsusb?
[04:10] <IIIEars> thrice - nice!
[04:10] <thr1ce> lol
[04:10] <bob2> indeed
[04:12] <_kevin> if i have a bunch of tar.gz what's the fastest way to extract, ./configure make and make install them?
[04:13] <bob2> manually
[04:13] <bob2> since each may need special flags
[04:13] <bob2> also, what are you compiling?
[04:13] <thr1ce> or, write a bash script that'll do them seperately, that you only have to run once
[04:14] <japoede1> Hey guys, I'm getting a message that says input/output error.  Any ideas what this might be about?
[04:15] <makoto> could someone help me with this.  I finally got Synapse to work and got this error message : http://rafb.net/paste/results/g3g4xo41.html
[04:15] <dooglus> japoede1: the cd is damaged?  you don't have enough disk space?  you don't have permission to create the .iso file?  you don't have a cd in the drive?  ummm...
[04:15] <nickrud> makoto, comment out the backports and run apt-get update again
[04:15] <makoto> ok
[04:16] <japoede1> oh, looks like it is time to for me to troubleshoot.  Thanks.
[04:16] <abarbaccia> hey - anybody here can help me getting an intel webcam working with the spca5xx drivers?  I have the device recognised and all - just no capture
[04:18] <makoto> what is the command to edit source list agina.  I<ll paste it in a document for safe keeping
[04:18] <bob2> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:18] <makoto> thx
[04:19] <sinope> hi
[04:19] <sinope> can anyone help me with apache?
[04:20] <mako> makoto: hey dude.. your nick triggers my highlighting :)
[04:20] <sinope> since i switched to ubuntu, i can't access my webserver
[04:20] <disasm> sinope: whats your question about apache?
[04:20] <sinope> except from localhost
[04:20] <sinope> disasm: http://localhost works fine
[04:20] <sinope> disasm: but nobody else can access the server
[04:20] <sinope> disasm: and yes, the DN points to the right IP :)
[04:21] <disasm> sinope: did you try nmapping it from another computer on the network?
[04:21] <sinope> disasm: hmm.. no, but what would i be looking for?
[04:21] <The_ANtipop> uh
[04:21] <disasm> port 80 open
[04:21] <The_ANtipop> hello there
[04:21] <The_ANtipop> i need big thelp
[04:21] <sinope> ip tables are off
[04:21] <sinope> The_ANtipop: that's what we're here for! :)
[04:21] <moj0rising> Sorry for the off topic question. Does anyone know where I can find info (maybe some good web sites) on speeding up my friends Mac?
[04:21] <The_ANtipop> ok
[04:22] <The_ANtipop> how do i use programs like AIM and thunderbird
[04:22] <moj0rising> I've been looking around and can't find anything good on it.
[04:22] <The_ANtipop> i download the tar.gz but dunno wat to do from there
[04:22] <bob2> The_ANtipop: don't
[04:22] <sinope> The_ANtipop: ah, you've already made it too hard
[04:22] <makoto> thanks nickrud Synapse is working fine now
[04:22] <bob2> The_ANtipop: you alreadyave gaim installed, just run it from the applications -> internet menu
[04:22] <The_ANtipop> huh?
[04:22] <makoto> appreciate it
[04:22] <dooglus> The_ANtipop: AIM, the AOL messenger?  You can get 'gaim' instead - that talks to the AIM network
[04:22] <abarbaccia> hey - anybody here can help me getting an intel webcam working with the spca5xx drivers?  I have the device recognised and all - just no capture
[04:22] <The_ANtipop> ooo
[04:22] <sinope> The_ANtipop: use "gaim"
[04:22] <The_ANtipop> ok lol
[04:22] <The_ANtipop> thanks
[04:22] <disasm> sinope: if you want to give me your ip, i can check for you from here on the external after you verify it works on the internal. if it's blocking the internal, do an iptables -L and see if there are any rules blocking
[04:22] <sinope> The_ANtipop: if you type "gaim" in a terminal it should pop up
[04:23] <The_ANtipop> you guys are awesome, every time i have a prob you fix it
[04:23] <sinope> disasm: iptables are blank
[04:23] <The_ANtipop> and another thing
[04:23] <nickrud> makoto, good, I've crapped out so often lately it's nice to help somone
[04:23] <The_ANtipop> i cant receive mailk
[04:23] <The_ANtipop> i think its a pop server
[04:23] <sinope> disasm: and my girlfriend is in the same dorm and it doesn't work for her...
[04:23] <The_ANtipop> but it sez its connecinting.... forever
[04:24] <makoto> Someone told me to get mplayer and totem xine  can I get them from Synapse? If so, I can't find them in multimedia (universe and multiverse...)
[04:24] <dooglus> The_ANtipop: you can install 'mozilla-thunderbird' using synaptic - but 'evolution' comes with ubuntu, and that can do POP3
[04:24] <sinope> The_ANtipop: you probably should check with the provider
[04:24] <bob2> makoto: they are both available if you have multiverse enabled
[04:24] <makoto> i do
[04:24] <nickrud> makoto, ctl-f in synaptic lets you search
[04:24] <makoto> i'll look again
[04:24] <makoto> ok
[04:24] <makoto> thx again
[04:24] <sinope> bob2: i agree with makoto, there are NO mplayer packages
[04:24] <sinope> i've looked
[04:24] <The_ANtipop> ok
[04:24] <The_ANtipop> oo
[04:25] <The_ANtipop> wen i use GAIM
[04:25] <dooglus> The_ANtipop: what POP server are you using?
[04:25] <The_ANtipop> it auto disconnects me
[04:25] <The_ANtipop> pop3 i think
[04:25] <dooglus> The_ANtipop: you need to set up the account properly.  did you chose AIM as the protocol?
[04:25] <bob2> sinope: sorry, you're wrong: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mplayer/
[04:25] <The_ANtipop> yes
[04:25] <The_ANtipop> o i see wat i did
[04:25] <The_ANtipop> lol
[04:25] <The_ANtipop> YAY IT WORKS
[04:25] <dooglus> um, yes, it does.  :)
[04:26] <dooglus> The_ANtipop: with gaim you can be on MSN, Yahoo, AIM and a whole bunch of other networks all at the same time
[04:26] <guz> hi, Im a n00b and I want I installed ubuntu a few hours ago, I have windows installed in /dev/hda1, how can I access to that partition?
[04:26] <dooglus> The_ANtipop: so if you've got friends who only use Yahoo, for instance, you can talk to them with gaim too
[04:26] <dr_willis> if its a NTFS partion you can mount it with READ ONLY access Guz.
[04:26] <The_ANtipop> i see
[04:26] <The_ANtipop> its working now
[04:27] <The_ANtipop> like trillian
[04:27] <The_ANtipop> thanks
[04:27] <guz> yeah, but I want it to be as a folder
[04:27] <dooglus> yeah.  just like trillian, only free
[04:27] <sinope> bob2: right you are! whoops!
[04:27] <dr_willis> Guz a 'folder' is just a directory. :P you mount things to directories..
[04:28] <dooglus> guz: take a look at /etc/fstab.  is it mentioned in there?
[04:28] <guz> as gentoo?
[04:28] <guz> cool
[04:28] <The_ANtipop> how do i log into msn and aim at the same time?
[04:28] <dr_willis> Guz  http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/mounting.html    - has some fundamentals for background info on terms people will be  useing :P
[04:28] <dooglus> The_ANtipop: in the 'accounts' window, click 'new' to make a new account for MSN
[04:28] <The_ANtipop> rite
[04:28] <Jormundgand> I was disappointed to learn that an antipope colliding with a pope does not result in an annihilation.
[04:28] <The_ANtipop> thanks
[04:28] <dooglus> The_ANtipop: and set that new account up right for MSN
[04:28] <The_ANtipop> and how do i find out the server for my mail
[04:28] <guz> thanks, let me try...
[04:28] <Varanger> crimmy: are you here?
[04:29] <makoto> two more questions  In synapse it looks as though I  already have Totem Xine.  I did download it through apt-get.  Where is it?  Also, if I try to install Totem gstreamer, I get a windows telling me that totem, totem xine and ubuntu desktop will be removed.  What gives?
[04:29] <thoreauputic> The_ANtipop: call your ISp
[04:29] <crimsun> Varanger: in and out again
[04:29] <dooglus> The_ANtipop: how have you been reading your mail until now?
[04:29] <bob2> makoto: totem-xine.
[04:29] <The_ANtipop> no
[04:29] <thoreauputic> The_ANtipop: it's probably something like mail,yourisp,com
[04:29] <The_ANtipop> i could on windows
[04:29] <crimsun> Varanger: it'll be easier to catch me in #alsa, as you can see
[04:29] <Varanger> crimsun: I am about to cry...!!
[04:29] <The_ANtipop> oo
[04:29] <The_ANtipop> so its not the@ part
[04:29] <dooglus> The_ANtipop: I suggest you go into whatever program you use in windows and look at the setup.  Copy the information into ubuntu
[04:29] <bob2> makoto: ubuntu-desktop will not be removed by install totem-gstreamer, but it will have been removed when you install totem-xine
[04:29] <The_ANtipop> i cant use windows rite now lol
[04:30] <nickrud> makoto, that's normal, the gstreamer is supposedly 'not ready for prime time', so ubuntu desktop depends on the xine version
[04:30] <dooglus> The_ANtipop: what program were you using on Windows?
[04:30] <The_ANtipop> thinderbird/ outlook
[04:30] <makoto> so don't install it is the idea?
[04:30] <The_ANtipop> i cant see any of myy msn buddies now lol
[04:30] <dooglus> The_ANtipop: maybe they're all offline?
[04:30] <thr1ce> did you sign onto your msn account?
[04:30] <The_ANtipop> yes
[04:30] <Varanger> crimsun: I am there
[04:31] <The_ANtipop> if theyre offline they dont show?
[04:31] <bob2> makoto: ok, I'm wrong, you can install totem-xine or totem-gstreamer along with ubuntu-desktop
[04:31] <bob2> that's changed since warty
[04:31] <dooglus> The_ANtipop: if you want to see offline buddies, go to the buddy list, and tick 'show offline buddies' in the buddies menu.
[04:31] <The_ANtipop> thanks
[04:31] <makoto> now i found 7 version of mplayer no less.  Which do I get? 386? k6? k7?
[04:32] <The_ANtipop> ok so for mail
[04:32] <bob2> makoto: what cpu do you have?
[04:32] <thoreauputic> makoto: what does uname -m say?
[04:32] <nickrud> makoto, it depends on what processor you have in your machine. intel? amd?
[04:32] <dooglus> makoto: I got the mplayer-nogui one
[04:32] <makoto> why is it telling me they will be removed then?
[04:32] <The_ANtipop> my email is bestboy1@optonline.net
[04:32] <makoto> intel P4
[04:32] <The_ANtipop> optonline.net wouldnt be the server?
[04:32] <bob2> makoto: then mplayer-686
[04:32] <The_ANtipop> itd be mail.optonline.net
[04:32] <The_ANtipop> ?
[04:32] <makoto> ok thx
[04:32] <thoreauputic> The_ANtipop: probably
[04:33] <The_ANtipop> ok ill try
[04:33] <makoto> itgat version says transitional dummy package which can be safely removed.... what does that mean?>
[04:33] <makoto> itgat - that   im getting tired
[04:34] <dooglus> The_ANtipop: you want to use these:
[04:34] <dooglus> SMTP SERVER: mail.optonline.net
[04:34] <dooglus> POP3 SERVER: mail.optonline.net
[04:34] <The_ANtipop> hey it worked!
[04:34] <The_ANtipop> thanks guys
[04:34] <thoreauputic> The_ANtipop: mail.optonline.net exists, anyway ;)
[04:34] <Xyc0> How can I check to see if I installed ATI dirver correctly
[04:34] <Xyc0> ?
[04:34] <blackgibson>  startx
[04:34] <blackgibson> if not, it dosent work
[04:34] <dooglus> The_ANtipop: there's a bunch of help pages linked from here: http://optonline.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/optonline.cfg/php/enduser/entry.php
[04:34] <sevets> How do I change permissions so I have write access to a mounted hard drive?
[04:35] <nickrud> makoto, if you install the -686 version, it will in actuality install the -586 version.
[04:35] <The_ANtipop> this is awesome
[04:35] <makoto> ok thx nickrud
[04:35] <bob2> sevets: depends on what sort of drive it is
[04:35] <The_ANtipop> but just in case
[04:35] <bob2> sevets: ntfs? fat? ext2?
[04:35] <sevets> bob2: its ext
[04:35] <The_ANtipop> how do i install stuff from tar.gz files?
[04:35] <sevets> i believe let me see one sec
[04:35] <bob2> sevets: then just use chmod
[04:35] <Xyc0> blackgibson: Fatal server error:
[04:35] <bob2> The_ANtipop: you don't, in general
[04:35] <dooglus> The_ANtipop: short answer: you probably don't want to
[04:35] <nickrud> -686 is depreciated, but in order to keep things straight for upgrades, it it still exists
[04:35] <bob2> The_ANtipop: if you have to (rare), it should have instructions
[04:35] <The_ANtipop> wat do i use then
[04:35] <thoreauputic> The_ANtipop: don't - at least not yet
[04:36] <bob2> The_ANtipop: what do you want to install?
[04:36] <sevets> bob2: how do I see what fs it uses?
[04:36] <The_ANtipop> well if i wanted a program or wtvr
[04:36] <dooglus> The_ANtipop: use 'synaptic package manager' from the system>administration menu
[04:36] <The_ANtipop> could i use debian or rpms?
[04:36] <bob2> sevets: /etc/fstab
[04:36] <Xyc0> The_ANtipop: you shouldnt need to, just use apt-get
[04:36] <bob2> The_ANtipop: what program?
[04:36] <bob2> The_ANtipop: basically everything in the universe is in ubuntu already
[04:36] <The_ANtipop> none specific
[04:36] <makoto> nickrud, I downloaded totem-xine a while back through apt-get command.  Can you tell how I can find the program and run it?
[04:37] <The_ANtipop> any of you guys windoes experts
[04:37] <bob2> try #windows
[04:37] <Xyc0> Windows, whats that?
[04:37] <The_ANtipop> lol
[04:37] <Xyc0> X Windows i can use that
[04:37] <dooglus> The_ANtipop: I've used it a bit in my time
[04:37] <Xyc0> X Windows is awsome
[04:37] <cafuego> Xyc0: it's like Tiger, but for cheap hardware
[04:37] <nickrud> makoto, it's in the menu, applications->sound&video->totem
[04:37] <thoreauputic> The_ANtipop: I glazed one a few years back...
[04:37] <The_ANtipop> wats x windows
[04:37] <sevets> ok I believe it is linux
[04:37] <The_ANtipop> is that a mod for winxp?
[04:37] <disasm> The_ANtipop: windows... only when i'm getting paid 65/hr...
[04:38] <dooglus> The_ANtipop: X Windows is the graphical interface you see in ubuntu
[04:38] <sevets> bob2:  What should I chmod it to? which number?
[04:38] <The_ANtipop> is ee
[04:38] <sevets> 767?
[04:38] <bob2> sevets: depends what you want to do
[04:38] <makoto> ok its just called totem, not totem-xine.  Its the same?
[04:38] <The_ANtipop> well you all have been great
[04:38] <Xyc0> The_ANtipop: what are you trying to do with Windows XP?
[04:38] <nickrud> makoto, yes
[04:38] <blackgibson> The X Window System... not X Windows.. if you want a short form, just call it X
[04:38] <djjason> can somebody help with a monitor problem, I just plugged in my new flat panel monitor and the resolution is all messed up.....do I need to change the xorg.conf to get it to work properly?
[04:38] <makoto> ok thx
[04:38] <The_ANtipop> too bad i cant resize my hard drive petitions
[04:38] <sevets> bob2: Well it is shared on the network.  I want myself and network user to be able to read/write to it
[04:38] <Xyc0> blackgibson: yea i was just playing with words
[04:38] <meblap> hey
[04:39] <meblap> On my ubuntu rigt
[04:39] <Xyc0> The_ANtipop: sure you can
[04:39] <The_ANtipop> join disasm
[04:39] <meblap> on my Dell 8600 laptop
[04:39] <The_ANtipop> plz
[04:39] <meblap> hibernate with fglrx driver seems to fail
[04:39] <meblap> it works with ati
[04:39] <meblap> how can I make the accelerated driver work with hibernate
[04:39] <bob2> meblap: get ati to fix it
[04:39] <The_ANtipop> how i resize the partition?
[04:39] <meblap> I have a mobile Radeon 9600
[04:39] <Xyc0> shoot im still trying to get accelerated drivers to plain work
[04:40] <meblap> ah so bob2, this is a just big old bug
[04:40] <bob2> sevets: sudo chmod ugo=rwx,g+t /mnt/whatever/
[04:40] <sevets> thankya
[04:40] <meblap> no some thing I can solve by having it kill X before it hibernates
[04:40] <meblap> and restart X later
[04:40] <meblap> on my machine most of the time is spent starting hotplug
[04:40] <bob2> that seems kinda pointless
[04:40] <meblap> so it does haave SOME point
[04:40] <The_ANtipop> o in a live cd wen  i restart how can i skip all the config stuff and be at my current confguration
[04:41] <meblap> of course it is not useful for any sort of resume response
[04:41] <meblap> but there you have it
[04:41] <meblap> I think I may just switch back to the OSS ati driver
[04:41] <Xyc0> wow all Fglrx seems to do is stop me from using programs, doesnt help shit
[04:41] <raDeon> WHO CALLED ME
[04:41] <raDeon> WHO
[04:41] <raDeon> SPEAK UP
[04:41] <raDeon> NOW
[04:41] <raDeon> OR DIE.
[04:41] <bob2> raDeon: stop it
[04:41] <webg9> i've installed ubuntu on an old AMD Athlon 550 box and like it, but i cant get hook up to my wireless network, is it feasible to do using a linksys wireless adapter?
[04:41] <dooglus> here's something about "X Windows": http://catalog.com/hopkins/unix-haters/x-windows/disaster.html :)
[04:41] <cafuego> bob2: it's been doing that for days.
[04:42] <meblap> anyway to improve opengl rendering with the OSS driver
[04:42] <Xyc0> raDeon: your name happens to resemble a popular model of graphics card
[04:42] <bob2> webg9: depends what sort of card it is...you need to read the booley, or google the model name and find out what chipset it is
[04:42] <raDeon> bob2, what's your problem
[04:42] <bob2> raDeon: choose a less annoying and silly nickname or be quiet
[04:42] <raDeon> Xyc0, well then tell them to rename the card
[04:42] <blackgibson> webg9: it may not have a linux driver.. i had to use a bit of a hack to get my linksys to work
[04:42] <raDeon> bob2, make me
[04:42] <bob2> raDeon: I will make you quiet if you do that again
[04:42] <nickrud> lol
[04:42] <Xyc0> raDeon: or we will keep spamming your name
[04:42] <raDeon> Xyc0, that won't solve anything
[04:43] <meblap> so can I improve my Ati RADEON performance with the OSS driver
[04:43] <webg9> so i should start by googling the name of my linksys card?
[04:43] <meblap> anything to set in xorg.conf
[04:43] <raDeon> who called me
[04:43] <cafuego> raDeon: Saying 'make me' to an op is not clever. he will.
[04:43] <dooglus> raDeon: why the 5 short, LOUD, aggressive lines just now?
[04:43] <bob2> webg9: yes
[04:43] <raDeon> no he wont
[04:43] <raDeon> bob is my friend
[04:43] <webg9> ok
[04:43] <meblap> I know it wont be like the fglrx driver
[04:43] <bob2> I have no idea who you are, except that everytime I see you speak you are being annoying
[04:43] <meblap> but I would like to have a little bit of opengl performance
[04:43] <Xyc0> lol bob2 :D
[04:43] <raDeon> how can you see me speak when i am in the room by myself
[04:44] <raDeon> voyeur!
[04:44] <odie5533> Can I repartition ext3 to allow a small dual boot for a winxp install? If so, how?
[04:44] <dooglus> raDeon: you're doing it again
[04:44] <meblap> odie5533, yeah
[04:44] <meblap> gparted
[04:44] <raDeon> dooglus, what?
[04:44] <odie5533> Yay! how?
[04:44] <dooglus> being annoying
[04:44] <Xyc0> odie5533: Yes you can, it is quite commonly done
[04:44] <meblap> you have to boot in RO though I think
[04:44] <meblap> and get to know parted
[04:44] <meblap> you know
[04:44] <meblap> buddy up with it
[04:44] <webg9> you mean like google this: WUSB54G  ?
[04:45] <thoreauputic_> he needs them...
[04:45] <meblap> so you can resize the partition
[04:45] <odie5533> hmm
[04:45] <meblap> so anyone out there on mobiles
[04:45] <odie5533> sounds complicated, any easy way to explain it?
[04:45] <meblap> how can I make the oss ati driver
[04:45] <meblap> that plays nice
[04:45] <meblap> play opengl any better
[04:45] <meblap> any libs I can install?
[04:45] <Xyc0> odie5533: google dual boot ubuntu
[04:45] <bob2> meblap: no
[04:46] <blackgibson> what fps did you get with the OOS driver on glxgears meblap?
[04:49] <webg9> if i am running the latest version of ubuntu? am i using "Linux kernel version 2.x or higher."?
[04:50] <ama_> yes
[04:50] <meblap> yeah
[04:50] <meblap> definitely
[04:50] <meblap> Linux 1.0 is ghetto fabulous though
[04:50] <webg9> im sure
[04:50] <nickrud> webg9, uname -r tells you what version kernel you're running
[04:50] <thoreauputic> dooglus: you X link is quite amusing :)
[04:51] <thoreauputic> *your
[04:51] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I'm reading it too.  He's quite angry :)
[04:51] <dooglus> thoreauputic: it's an old piece, but still pretty much true today.
[04:51] <webg9> i am not a hard core hacker i must confess i have to learn where to even run that command
[04:51] <thoreauputic> funny to see what used to be regarded as a memory hog ...
[04:52] <webg9> my first fore ito linux began less than 24 hours ago
[04:52] <jetscreamer> foray
[04:52] <webg9> thank you
[04:52] <nickrud> webg9, applications->system tools->terminal
[04:52] <jetscreamer> hey will ubuntu's default installer do jfs
[04:52] <GammaRay> isn't jfs a mess?
[04:52] <jetscreamer> or rather, can i install it into an existing jfs partition
[04:52] <jetscreamer> works here
[04:52] <crimsun> jetscreamer: absolutely
[04:52] <jetscreamer> k thx
[04:53] <crimsun> jetscreamer: I actually have hoary installed into an lvm with / being JFS
[04:55] <Xyc0> I just followed http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto, and I am still not getting acceleration, anyone else have this problem?
[04:56] <ipmasta> hello
[04:56] <ipmasta> can anyone tell me how to install gcc?
[04:56] <linuxamoeba21> i just had the most terrifying experience ever, and need to share.
[04:56] <dr_willis> "I planted some bird seed. A bird came up. Now I don't know what to feed it."
[04:56] <thoreauputic> ipmasta: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:56] <dooglus> ipmasta: on the system menu, go to administration, then 'symantec'.
[04:56] <jetscreamer> tic
[04:57] <Xyc0> ipmasta: sudo apt-get install gcc
[04:57] <thoreauputic> Xyc0: no
[04:57] <zenlunatic> I'm confused. I haven' t installed java on my machine, but someone told me openoffice.org uses java? how can this be?
[04:57] <thoreauputic> Xyc0: build-essential
[04:57] <Xyc0> my bad
[04:57] <Xyc0> both work
[04:57] <Xyc0> use his tho
[04:57] <linuxamoeba21> i'm running hoary, and went to restart, and said okay, and instead of restarting, some soothing guitar song came on. i killed every music app, then ctrl-alt-backspaced. and it didnt stop
[04:57] <nickrud> zenlunatic, openoffice will use java if it's there
[04:57] <dooglus> zenlunatic: it doesn't need java - it only uses it for some features
[04:57] <jetscreamer> zenlunatic: oo has extended functionality when you have the java
[04:57] <webg9> linksys says it supports linux in there website, how would I go about installing the wireless adapter?
[04:57] <dooglus> zenlunatic: openoffice 2 will use it more
[04:57] <thoreauputic> Xyc0: no, if you just install gcc you don't get the necesary functionality
[04:57] <linuxamoeba21> seriously. wtf.
[04:58] <Quest-Master> webg9: The wirelesss adapters don't work natively on Linux
[04:58] <Quest-Master> webg9: However
[04:58] <ipmasta> askeds now how do i use it after i run that
[04:58] <Quest-Master> webg9: You can use ndiswrapper to easily get any of Linksys's wireless adapters working
[04:58] <jetscreamer> linuxamoeba21: ctrl + alt + f2 then ctrl alt del
[04:58] <dooglus> zenlunatic: openoffice 3 will use it even more, and by the time openoffice 4 comes out, we will have to give our firstborn children to sun to be allowed to continue using it
[04:58] <webg9> what is ndiswrapper?
[04:58] <zenlunatic> Do you guys think they'll be a fork to make a javaless openoffice?
[04:58] <linuxamoeba21> i restarted from the login screen, and it died when alsa got killed on shutdown
[04:58] <Xyc0> thoreauputic: Lol ok, your right.  He just never asked for funcionality.  He asked for gcc
[04:59] <Quest-Master> webg9: Search for it on Google :)
[04:59] <nickrud> nah, the free java stack will be available by then, we users hope
[04:59] <webg9> ok
[04:59] <thoreauputic> Xyc0: haha
[04:59] <webg9> thanks again
[04:59] <linuxamoeba21> the crazy thing is, i dont even have that song! ggaaaah compy is possessed
[04:59] <webg9> i know nothing about this and appreciate the help
[04:59] <zenlunatic> nickrud: free java?
[04:59] <jetscreamer> wtf is breezy
[05:00] <dooglus> jetscreamer: it's the next version of ubuntu, due out in september this year (i think)
[05:00] <jetscreamer> ah
[05:00] <Bandit> october
[05:00] <zenlunatic> i hope they fix the powerpc portable sleep issues in breezy
[05:00] <linuxamoeba21> anyone know of the band "iron & wine", and why they might possess hoary?
[05:01] <thechitowncubs> Is anyone familiar with the google project, hello?
[05:01] <zenlunatic> thechitowncubs: what is that?
[05:01] <nickrud> zenlunatic, yeah, you can look at free-java-sdk
[05:01] <thechitowncubs> www.hello.com
[05:01] <dr_willis> closed captioning seems to be different from subtitles.
[05:02] <linuxamoeba21> my clock turned light blue, too. ever since the wacko song thing.
[05:02] <linuxamoeba21> is there a search tool in ubuntu?
[05:03] <J35U5> search for what?
[05:03] <jetscreamer> probably 'find'
[05:03] <thoreauputic> linuxamoeba21: erm.. there are quite a few
[05:03] <IcemanV9> dr_willis: yes it is. it covered more than subtitle.
[05:03] <sinope> slocate
[05:03] <sinope> linuxamoeba21: slocate
[05:03] <sinope> linuxamoeba21: try slocate filename
[05:03] <linuxamoeba21> something nice and x-windowsey
[05:03] <linuxamoeba21> ok
[05:03] <nickrud> linuxamoeba21, yeah, locate, gnome-search-tool, find, etc
[05:03] <sinope> linuxamoeba21: there's gnome-search-tool
[05:03] <linuxamoeba21> ok
[05:03] <linuxamoeba21> thanks
[05:03] <sinope> linuxamoeba21: also gnome-find or something like that
[05:03] <thoreauputic> linuxamoeba21: you probably want the gnome one
[05:04] <linuxamoeba21> yeah looks good
[05:04] <dr_willis> IcemanV9,  yea - thise shows i recorded show the CC logo. but cant seem to get CC working.
[05:04] <ipmasta> it try typing gcc and dont get anything
[05:04] <ipmasta> i tried sudo apt-get install gcc
[05:04] <ipmasta> and it asked for password
[05:04] <ipmasta> put it in and nothing
[05:04] <ipmasta> ?
[05:04] <ipmasta> im trying to install gcc so i can compile things and so i can install gstreamer so i can play mp3s in ubuntu
[05:04] <zenlunatic> dooglus: i heard ututo distro people made a free software openoffice
[05:04] <HrdwrBoB> um
[05:04] <Jormundgand> dr_willis: You need a decoder box.
[05:04] <jaysinn> Hello All
[05:05] <Xyc0> ipmasta: sudo apt-get install xmms
[05:05] <thoreauputic> ipmasta: you don't need gcc to install mp3 support
[05:05] <dooglus> ipmasta: "apt-get install build-essential"
[05:05] <zenlunatic> nickrud: isn't that java a hack reverse engineer?
[05:05] <Xyc0> ipmasta: you shouldn't need to complile anything at this point
[05:05] <IcemanV9> dr_willis: record the show on what? vcr? pc?
[05:05] <dr_willis> Jormundgand, Hmm.. i thught all the new tv's had the built in..
[05:05] <nickrud> zenlunatic, probably, I'd think any sun compatible java implementation will be some kind of reverse engineering
[05:05] <IcemanV9> Jormundgand: built-in as required by the law (US)
[05:05] <Xyc0> ipmasta: System > Admin > Synaptic
[05:06] <Xyc0> ipmasta: you can install anything from there
[05:06] <dr_willis> IcemanV9,  a HardDrive-VCR kind of thing. :P i recall seeing the optins to enable CC. but either my players are ignoreing that.. or.. Hmm perhaps i need to enable CC showing on the tv.. and the recorder
[05:06] <IcemanV9> dr_willis: if it's vcr, then adjust the speed a little bit.
[05:06] <IcemanV9> dr_willis: yes. it has to be enabled in order to read CC
[05:06] <dr_willis> I IcemanV9  its works like  VCR but records to hard drive.. and DVD disk :P
[05:06] <thr1ce> anyone know where the version hack in firefox is?  i'm tired of looking
[05:07] <dr_willis> but on my portalbe dvd player im sure i have CC enable  and its not showing them there either.. Hmm
[05:07] <Xyc0> thr1ce: type about:config in the addy bar
[05:07] <dr_willis> thr1ce,  it was a simple about:config edit I think.. saw it ont heubuntu wiikis
[05:07] <IcemanV9> dr_willis: no. on the tv. not the dvd player.
[05:07] <nickrud> thr1ce, I think if you search on subvendor in about:config you'll find it
[05:07] <dr_willis> IcemanV9,  i got a portable dvd player with lcd also. :P wanting it to work there mainly
[05:07] <thr1ce> subvender, that's it!  thanks nickrud
[05:07] <Xyc0> thr1ce: edit general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4
[05:08] <thr1ce> and dr_willis Xyc0  :P
[05:08] <IcemanV9> dr_willis: oh! ok. hmm. dunno about that one.
[05:08] <dr_willis> IcemanV9,  and i THINK i enabled it there.
[05:08] <Xyc0> what is the support chat for ATI?
[05:08] <IcemanV9> dr_willis: will check it out myself when i go to the store this week.
[05:09] <dr_willis> i just like to watch movies and stuff at work.. in double speed. :P lol
[05:09] <dr_willis> plus its so noisy there - i cant hear diddle anyway
[05:09] <guz> I can't listen to music or play video... something about plugins.... any idea... and, where can I read a little I'm feeling lost.... (8 month gentoo user)
[05:10] <Xyc0> guz: install xmms for music
[05:10] <guz> I did... xmms freeze
[05:10] <Xyc0> guz: sudo apt-get install xmms
[05:10] <Quest-Master> guz: http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:10] <jaysinn> xmms
[05:10] <Xyc0> guz: use vlc for movies
[05:10] <guz> I installed xmms with "synaptics"
[05:11] <dr_willis> the ubuntu wikis and 'restricted format' pages are good also.
[05:11] <odie5533> Xyc0: What do I use to resize my ext3 partition?
[05:11] <kalias> Hi! I am a first time user of ubuntu.
[05:11] <nickrud> guz, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:11] <odie5533> kalias: Welcome to the new world =P
[05:12] <kalias> Thanks :))  I have a question about installing packages.
[05:12] <odie5533> Ask away
[05:12] <guz> nice...
[05:12] <guz> thanx!
[05:12] <kalias> I want to install samba.  I found the gui that does it.  When I click on the apply button it asks for a hoary cd.  Where do I get one?
[05:13] <jaysinn> www.ubuntu.com
[05:13] <kalias> Does it mean the live cd?
[05:13] <jetscreamer> hey shit, trying to d/l the dvd via bittorrent and i get connection refused by the tracker.. anybody know anything about it? (somebody actually reading this)
[05:13] <nickrud> kalias, are you running the live cd?
[05:14] <saber_> Hi
[05:14] <kalias> No, I have installed the complete system, updated the packages and that is what I am using.
[05:14] <jaysinn> thats funny jetscreamer
[05:14] <nickrud> kalias, then it means the cd you installed from
[05:14] <Marble2> huh
[05:14] <saber_> Does anyone have a link or some documentation that talks about the changes between warty and hoary?
[05:14] <odie5533> kalias type: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:14] <Marble2> are you using synaptic?
[05:14] <odie5533> kalias: and comment the first line
[05:14] <odie5533> with a #
[05:14] <saber_> Like is there any security reasons as to why i should update, or while warty still have security updates
[05:15] <saber_> s/while/will/g
[05:15] <kalias> I assume that means I need to open a terminal and type that correct?
[05:15] <odie5533> Yes
[05:15] <Marble2> saber_: warty still has security upgrades, but to keep things current, you should use hoary
[05:16] <Marble2> it's stable, been tested, etc, there is no reason not to
[05:16] <saber_> well, things work right now... i don't want to be fiddling with configuration files... i just want to make sure it will include the latest bug fixes
[05:16] <Sollord> Is there a postgesql 8 package for ubuntu?
[05:17] <kalias> okay done.  It opened up a gedit window and I see deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted as the firs line.
[05:17] <saber_> if i stick to warty...
[05:17] <saber_> sollord: yes
[05:17] <Sollord> saber_: where -.-;;
[05:17] <mpm> anyone familiar with unresolvable dependecies when installing mplayer?  What tips might you have for the smartest solution?
[05:17] <saber_> erm sorry. i have 7.x
[05:17] <thoreauputic> mpm: comment ou t nerim/marillat and/or backports
[05:18] <guz> ok, I dont understand, I installed xmms and its freezing
[05:18] <thoreauputic> mpm: enable multiverse and install
[05:18] <kalias> So does this mean that after I select samba and install it all I have to do is put the live cd in the drive and everything should work?
[05:18] <saber_> kalias: probably not
[05:18] <kalias> oh, bummer :(
[05:18] <nickrud> kalias, no, not the live cd
[05:18] <nickrud> kalias, odie5533 's instructions work nicely
[05:18] <saber_> check out the samba howto. there are some good configuration tips there
[05:18] <sandyeggoboy> hello, i have a quick question.
[05:18] <thoreauputic> guz: choose the esound output plugin
[05:18] <guz> ok
[05:19] <Marble2> saber_: it doesn't have the lastest bug fixes
[05:19] <odie5533>  == genius of the tenth order
[05:19] <sandyeggoboy> i want to ssh into my server and run a program, then move it to tty3
[05:19] <Marble2> it has security updates, and critical bug fixes,
[05:19] <sandyeggoboy> how to accomplish this?>
[05:19] <iceman> SOB, cant find a Distro, that will install on a new system and play nice with win 98
[05:19] <Marble2> but if it's not critical, it doesn't get applied to warty
[05:19] <iceman> Dos based distro
[05:19] <guz> niceeeee!!
[05:19] <kalias> so all I have to do is comment out the first line of this file, close it and install samba?
[05:19] <saber_> oh ok. thanks
[05:19] <guz> why oss does not work?
[05:19] <mpm> thoreauputic: after installing mplayer should/can I uncomment marillat?
[05:19] <nickrud> kalias, do a sudo apt-get update first, so your changes to sources.list are recognized
[05:20] <saber_> well, i just backup up my entire system. i'm going to run an update in the next hour
[05:20] <odie5533> nickrud: I think you mean after he comments it but before he installs samba
[05:20] <Marble2> :)
[05:20] <Xyc0> I followed http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:20] <thoreauputic> mpm: I would suggest strongly that you not use marillat except for codecs, and comment it out afterwards or delete it
[05:20] <odie5533> BTW, kalias: www.ubuntuguide.org <-- your best friend
[05:21] <Xyc0> why is my driver not installed
[05:21] <nickrud> odie5533, of course :)
[05:21] <thoreauputic> mpm: marillat moves with debian, and hoary is frozen
[05:21] <mpm> thoreauputic: Ok thank you, I'm happy to follow a safer route
[05:21] <kalias> cool, I will take a look.  Thanks for having the patience for potentially silly questions.
[05:22] <Xyc0> Anyone get ATI graphics drivers running ok?
[05:23] <guz> ok, xmms is working, but no rhythmbox....
[05:23] <thr1ce> you need gstreamer0.8-mad for mp3's in rhythmbox
[05:23] <guz> why that does not came installed?
[05:23] <thoreauputic> guz: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:23] <kalias> okay I have done the sudo  apt-get update.
[05:24] <tandy> this really isn't an ubuntu question, but is there an easy way to throttle bandwidth to certain applications
[05:24] <thoreauputic> guz: licensing issues
[05:24] <guz> everything was perfect.....
[05:24] <guz> :S
[05:24] <guz> the only problem is multimedia
[05:25] <thoreauputic> guz: not ubuntu's fault
[05:25] <Jormundgand> guz: Multimedia patent issues are rife. Digital media are awful to support.
[05:25] <guz> :(
[05:25] <Jormundgand> guz: You want change, buy the MP3 patents and release it into the public domain.
[05:25] <jetscreamer> how broke is breezy
[05:25] <guz> hahahahaha
[05:25] <Jormundgand> jetscreamer: Two major bugs and half a dozen minor ones.
[05:25] <Marble2> hm
[05:26] <Marble2> not to be a smartass, but does windows support mp3 playing out of the box?
[05:26] <Marble2> not being rhetorical, i don't know
[05:26] <jetscreamer> basically yes
[05:26] <thoreauputic> guz: until you save your pennies and do that, try reading http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:26] <guz> ok, how I can remove unused packages in ubuntu-deb?
[05:26] <dr_willis> Marble2,  i think windows media player does..
[05:26] <Marble2> so... did they cut a deal with the patent owner that ubuntu can't afford to do or what?
[05:26] <guz> thoreauputic, I am
[05:26] <dr_willis> Marble2,  but ive noticed that i cant get DVD working in WMP. untill I install nero's dvd player or some other dvd player first.
[05:27] <jetscreamer> there is a enable dvd setting in the windows registry
[05:27] <dr_willis> jetscreamer,  ahh.. thats weird. :P
[05:27] <jetscreamer> for wmp
[05:27] <dr_willis> jetscreamer,  makes you wonder at MS's logic in doing that.
[05:28] <locomorto> all i care about MS is that i no longer use ANY of their products
[05:28] <locomorto> or any enumlation software to get products that run on their systems to work in ubuntu
[05:28] <locomorto> eclipse and Java replace VS .net and C# better then fine
[05:28] <kalias> odie5533: I have done the sudo apt-get update.  I will comment out the first line of the file now and then try to install samba.
[05:29] <fazer> Hi, what does it mean when i have space that is in /de/hda-1
[05:29] <jetscreamer> mono
[05:29] <fazer> and not hda1
[05:29] <fazer> */dev
[05:29] <fazer> I have 2.7 GB of space that isn't formatted
[05:29] <Xyc0> Varanger: you said i needed to enable driect rendering, where can i do that?
[05:29] <fazer> how do make a current partition use that space?
[05:29] <sandyeggoboy> i want to ssh into my server and run a program, then move it to tty3
[05:29] <jetscreamer> partiton it, mkfs, mount it somewhere
[05:30] <nickrud> kalias, you need to comment out the cdrom line, then apt-get update, then apt-get install samba, to skip the request for the cd
[05:30] <fazer> jetscreamer: I want to enlarge my NTFS partition
[05:30] <jetscreamer> ah
[05:31] <jetscreamer> you can mount partitions in windows jsut like linux
[05:31] <locomorto> jetscreamer: it hout windows did this auto?
[05:31] <locomorto> thought*
[05:31] <fazer> yes, but like my current NTFS is like 5 GB, I want to make it bigge.r
[05:32] <jetscreamer> i mean you can mount partitions under directories
[05:32] <jetscreamer> just like linux
[05:32] <Varanger> XyC0: go to #ati, I'll answer you there
[05:33] <fazer> jetscreamer: its not about mounting, its about resizing them.
[05:33] <mpm> what's a utility that tells the id3 and bitrate etc. info for an mp3 file that people use?
[05:33] <sinope> mpm: file?
[05:33] <sinope> mpm: also, mplayer
[05:34] <kalias> HOLY COW!!!  It worked!  Hey that was as easy and installing on gentoo.
[05:34] <sinope> kalias: what was... installing ubuntu?
[05:34] <kalias> sorry that's as installing on gentoo.
[05:34] <nickrud> just faster :)
[05:34] <sandyeggoboy> i want to ssh into my server and run a program, then move it to tty3
[05:34] <mpm> sinope: doh I didn't realize file was that smart :-P thanks
[05:34] <sandyeggoboy> can some one help me, or show the way to docs?
[05:34] <kalias> no, getting samba installed.  Installing ubuntu was was easier than gentoo.
[05:35] <kalias> sorry way easier than gentoo.
[05:35] <sinope> sandyeggoboy: ever used screen?
[05:36] <sinope> sandyeggoboy: ssh and type screen
[05:36] <sinope> sandyeggoboy: run your program
[05:36] <sinope> then do control-a control-d
[05:36] <sinope> then go to another terminal and type screen -X
[05:36] <sinope> sorry screen -x
[05:36] <Xyc0> gentoo is ledgendary for their install process
[05:36] <kakalto> lol
[05:37] <kakalto> "legendary"
[05:37] <sinope> infamous, more like :P
[05:37] <Xyc0> if you can do a stage 1 install, i bow to you
[05:37] <sinope> :P
[05:37] <GammaRay> ^a d will work also
[05:37] <sinope> i'd rather write my own OS from scratch.
[05:37] <sinope> :D
[05:38] <Xyc0> but then Id tell you to quit being a smart ass and use Ubuntu
[05:38] <locomorto> Xyc0, what, you mean actually sit through the WHOLE thing?
[05:38] <locomorto> what planet are you from lol
[05:38] <kalias> thanks for the install help. Next question, configuring samba.
[05:38] <Xyc0> he he
[05:38] <GammaRay> Xyc0: I'm not sure ledgendary is the right word
[05:38] <sinope> okay, perhaps someone can help me
[05:38] <kalias> I can see the samba server on my xp machine.
[05:38] <sinope> i've been asking all day with now success :(
[05:39] <jetscreamer> any clues why the ubuntu tracker is refusing me?
[05:39] <sinope> my box won't respond to external pings of any kind
[05:39] <jetscreamer> dvd.torrent
[05:39] <sinope> i can't even ping my own IP
[05:39] <sinope> and obviously there's no SSH, FTP, HTTP, etc
[05:39] <XandriX> sinope, ur with ubuntu now
[05:39] <sinope> but apache is up and running, and i have a connection
[05:39] <sinope> what do i do?
[05:39] <sinope> XandriX: yep :P
[05:40] <sinope> XandriX: you've switched as well?
[05:40] <XandriX> sinope, no more slack ?
[05:40] <guz> wao, Im trying to install gstreamer0.8-plugins....."Package gstreamer0.8-plugins has no installation candidate"??
[05:40] <sinope> XandriX: not for the moment any way
[05:40] <sinope> XandriX: i figure for a desktop box, ubuntu is just easier
[05:40] <sinope> XandriX: if i get a server going some time, i might slack it up
[05:40] <XandriX> sinope, aww damn you man seriously another slacker gone and wtf its not easier lol
[05:41] <thoreauputic> guz: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:41] <sinope> haha
[05:41] <thr1ce> lol
[05:41] <thr1ce> have backports broken anyone's system before?
[05:41] <guz> :S
[05:42] <thoreauputic> guz: it's in the universe repository
[05:42] <thoreauputic> thr1ce: backports are evil
[05:42] <nickrud> thr1ce, not personally, but I helped someone fix a breakage once, mplayer iirc
[05:42] <thr1ce> nickrud, the packages that it wants to update seem harmless
[05:42] <jetscreamer> gee so my dvd options are breezy or nothing
[05:43] <sinope> thr1ce: whoa! you're here too!
[05:43] <thr1ce> !
[05:43] <ubotu> thr1ce: Wish i knew
[05:43] <nickrud> thr1ce, lol, look at depends and rdepends first!
[05:43] <sinope> thr1ce: fix my damn box!
[05:43] <razorback16> hi
[05:43] <thr1ce> ubotu, !
[05:43] <ubotu> thr1ce: I don't know, could you explain it?
[05:43] <thr1ce> no
[05:43] <Xyc0> garrrrrrrrrr~~~~~~~~
[05:43] <razorback16> ...could somone help me?
[05:43] <sinope> ?
[05:43] <thr1ce> nickrud, hm..interesting
[05:43] <sinope> razorback16: what's up
[05:43] <tandy> easy way ot throttle bandwidth to applications?
[05:43] <razorback16> hi
[05:43] <jetscreamer> !owner
[05:43] <ubotu> jetscreamer: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[05:44] <razorback16> I need help
[05:44] <thoreauputic> !who owns you
[05:44] <Xyc0> Has anyone installed the ATI drivers and actualy gotten it to work!
[05:44] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, thoreauputic
[05:44] <sinope> yes....
[05:44] <nickrud> thr1ce, actually, look at who packaged it, that's your best indicator of compatibilyt
[05:44] <sinope> go on?
[05:44] <thoreauputic> hahah
[05:44] <guz> I added all repositories... that isn't a problem?
[05:44] <jetscreamer> ok wtf breezy
[05:44] <guz> universe, multiuniverse... ect...
[05:44] <sinope> razorback16: what do you need
[05:44] <thoreauputic> guz: did you do sudo apt-get update or reload ?
[05:44] <kalias> nickrud: Hi :)  Any chance you know where the samba configuration files are located?
[05:44] <razorback16> I plau UT2004 and I recently installed linux and I installed it fine,but I need to know how to install the patch, becuae whenever I try to transfer the files it says I dont have permission and I need to be root, but I am not exactly sure what to do
[05:45] <thr1ce> nickrud, will this confuse ubuntu when I go to update to breezy in the future?
[05:45] <guz> Im doing it right now
[05:45] <rg58sma> hi
[05:45] <thr1ce> nickrud, like...am I breaking off the system with these packs?
[05:45] <rute> is there a way to tell apt-get that I want all the latest (unstable) packages for everything?
[05:45] <nickrud> kalias, I don't samba :0
[05:45] <jetscreamer> razorback16: su, login, do it
[05:45] <rg58sma> i have a problem with my internet IP
[05:45] <sinope> razorback16: is it a binary file, like utpatch.bin or utpatch.run or utpatch.sh or something?
[05:45] <jetscreamer> rute sure, apt-get install *
[05:45] <rg58sma> change when i reload the page
[05:45] <thoreauputic> guz: each time you add repos, you have to update them
[05:45] <rute> jetscreamer, ?
[05:45] <razorback16> its nothing like tha I have to transfe rindividual files over
[05:45] <rg58sma> what is the problem??
[05:45] <razorback16> just replace and add some files
[05:45] <razorback16> but I dont have permission to the folder
[05:45] <jetscreamer> you said you wanted everything
[05:45] <sinope> razorback16:
[05:45] <sinope> razorback16: do you know your root password?
[05:46] <razorback16> yes
[05:46] <guz> now is working
[05:46] <sinope> razorback16: just type "su"
[05:46] <nickrud> thr1ce, maybe, maybe not, but probably, if it's at all like apt-get.org
[05:46] <kalias> nickrud: Okay thanks :)  I will take a look around and see what I can find.  One more question.  I would like to install amule but it doesn't appear to be in the gui list.  Where do I get it from?
[05:46] <sinope> razorback16: and then you are root and can access everything :)
[05:46] <razorback16> oh I though that was only for terminal
[05:46] <razorback16> ok
[05:46] <jetscreamer> mldonkey
[05:46] <sinope> razorback16: oh hold on
[05:46] <guz> I dont understand synaptics... the command is easier
[05:46] <nickrud> kalias, it's in universe
[05:46] <sinope> razorback16: is this a gui?
[05:46] <locomorto> razorback16, do this instead
[05:46] <thr1ce> nickrud, hm...maybe i won't then
[05:46] <thr1ce> nickrud, it was on ubuntuguide.org, so I was curious
[05:47] <locomorto> sudo ./<patch file name>
[05:47] <kalias> Hmmm...the universe is a big place ;)  Where do I find that?
[05:47] <locomorto> if that does not work
[05:47] <razorback16> its not just one patch file
[05:47] <thoreauputic> sinope: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:47] <razorback16> its multiple files
[05:47] <locomorto> ensure that you have done this do the file
[05:47] <rute> everyone loves apt so I'm sure it's user-error(pebkac) but I miss my ~x86 flag with portage :)
[05:47] <locomorto> sud chmod +x <file>
[05:47] <locomorto> sudo*
[05:47] <sinope> thoreauputic: thank you, i'm familiar with sudo :)
[05:47] <locomorto> you can do it file by file
[05:47] <thoreauputic> sinope: then why the "su" recommendation?
[05:47] <guz> Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-lame.... now ?
[05:47] <nickrud> thr1ce, I've seen some good stuff in ubuntuguide, but also heard some horror stories. My current rule of thumb is if I can find it in the wiki and the guide, ok
[05:48] <psychonate> What generally causes kernel panics?
[05:48] <thr1ce> psychonate, depends...spit out the error!
[05:48] <nickrud> kalias, in synaptic, ctl-f allows you to search for packages
[05:48] <crimsun> bad hardware, mostly
[05:48] <locomorto> psychonate: something reall, really bad
[05:48] <thr1ce> usually not compiling in the root file system, or having IDE stuff moduled
[05:48] <locomorto> really*
[05:48] <psychonate> yeah, I sorta figured
[05:48] <razorback16> ?
[05:48] <guz> more repositories?
[05:48] <psychonate> I put Ubuntu on a friend's box, and he's getting a kernel panic now
[05:49] <psychonate> it was running OK for a little bit, like a day or so I think
[05:49] <locomorto> do the memtest boot option
[05:49] <locomorto> and unsure all the plugs are pushed in correctly
[05:49] <psychonate> he said he gets a kernel panic and something like, "not syncing: Aiee, killing interrupt handle"
[05:49] <rg58sma> hi
[05:49] <rute> psychonate, is his keaster fragmented? :)
[05:49] <rg58sma> I have a problem with mi internet IP
[05:49] <kalias> nickrud: okay thanks :)  You guys are a nice bunch, thanks for all the help :))
[05:50] <locomorto> rg58sma: yes what is it
[05:50] <rg58sma> change when I reload whatismyip.com
[05:50] <nickrud> kalias, after my recent track record, it was a pleasure.
[05:50] <psychonate> locomorto, what all does memtest test?
[05:50] <Elsidox> can anyone help me for some reason sound doesnt work with some games
[05:50] <locomorto> rg58sma: where do you get internet access?
[05:50] <Elsidox> like glob 2 and  Nexuiz
[05:51] <rg58sma> from my wifi card
[05:51] <locomorto> psychonate: tests the memory of course ;). It makes sure the hardware is fine.
[05:51] <kalias> nickrud: You are welcome :)  I tried the cntrl-f but it does not find amule or emule, do I have to give it directions?
[05:51] <thoreauputic> guz: the wiki restricted formats page tells you how to get gstreamer-lame
[05:51] <psychonate> locomorto, "the hardware" as in all the hardware?
[05:51] <locomorto> rg58sma: yes, but what does the wifi card connect to? Your own router, which in turn connects to the modem
[05:52] <locomorto> psychonate: no, just the memory part
[05:52] <psychonate> wishful thinking I guess
[05:52] <locomorto> lol
[05:52] <nickrud> kalias, if universe is properly enabled, you'll get amule in a search
[05:52] <psychonate> could an overheating CPU cause the problem?
[05:52] <locomorto> rg58sma: what kind of internet connection do you have?
[05:53] <locomorto> psychonate: possibly
[05:53] <kalias> Ahh..there is the key question "Is universe properly enabled?" Okay master jedi..where do I look?
[05:53] <Elsidox> anyone willing to help a me with sound problems?
[05:53] <IIIEars> Elsidox - Sometimes there is a conflict with the esd device killing it can be a quick and dirty fix. - wish you had given more info.
[05:53] <locomorto> psychonate: also, make sure everything is plugged in firmly (all the hardware cards into their slots as well)
[05:54] <rg58sma> wireless
[05:54] <nickrud> kalias, a useful command line tool (in a terminal) is apt-cache policy <package>
[05:54] <guz> ubuntu rules :)
[05:54] <Elsidox> IIIEars, what would you need to know.
[05:55] <guz> I hope that they do something with this "repositories-adding" thing... but ubuntu rules anyway] 
[05:55] <nickrud> kalias, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats has the ideal sources.list
[05:55] <nickrud> kalias, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ExampleConffiles I mean
[05:55] <Elsidox> IIIEars, i found something on linux sound and switched to alsa
[05:55] <rg58sma> locomorto, i understandi me???
[05:55] <kalias> W: Unable to locate package amule  I imagine this is not good.
[05:55] <IIIEars> Ubuntu uses a program called esd to allow multiple applications to access the sound card at one time. However, many third party applications not in Ubuntu main aren't designed to use esd to access the card. On some sound cards, this causes these applications to not produce sound. To work around this problem, esd must be configured to release the sound card when it is not using it. To do this, edit /etc/esound/esd.conf and change the line t
[05:55] <IIIEars> [esd] 
[05:55] <IIIEars> auto_spawn=0
[05:55] <IIIEars> spawn_wait_ms=100
[05:55] <IIIEars> default_options= -terminate -nobeeps -as 2
[05:55] <IIIEars> You will need to restart the sound server, whether from gnome preferences, or by logging out and back in. You should then be able to change System -> Preferences -> Multimedia System Selector, set Default Sink and Source to Alsa (or OSS), and then successfully use the test buttons. Other GNOME applications which depend on being able to access the native audio devices include GnomeMeeting?.
[05:56] <IIIEars> Note: this problem only occurs on the Ubuntu Hoary release and newer. Kubuntu is not affected as it uses KDE Arts, although the default timeout for the sound server in KDE may be set rather long, can someone confirm?
[05:56] <nickrud> guz, 'streamlining sources.list' is on someones to do list
[05:56] <IIIEars> NP - Redhat linux has users Ubuntu has a linux "community"
[05:57] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - erm what did i do?
[05:57] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: broke the flooding record?
[05:58] <IIIEars> oops - sorry - thought i had /msg   musta been / msg
[05:58] <dooglus> IIIEars: where did you copy that from?
[05:58] <guz> nickrud, I hope so :P
[05:58] <kalias> ubuntu vs gentoo:  Given that I have only been using this distro for two nights...Crumbs this is nice!!!
[05:58] <IIIEars> dooglus - forgotten
[05:59] <nickrud> guz, and until then, the wiki link above is the closest thing available
[05:59] <Elsidox> i switched so alsa
[05:59] <Elsidox> i dont use esd
[05:59] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: when you /msg, only the first line goes to PM - the rest lands in the channel
[05:59] <steven666> f
[05:59] <dooglus> IIIEars: I am having just that problem.  The first time anyone logs in after booting, I have to 'pkill esd' up to 3 times before GNOME will start up.  After that, it's OK - people can log in and out and it doesn't get stuck again.
[05:59] <Elsidox> and sounds still works ill try that and switch back
[05:59] <IIIEars> Sounds like a useful tip. (writes it down in ink))
[06:00] <rg58sma> locomorto, i understandi me???
[06:00] <rg58sma> you
[06:01] <thoreauputic> !fixsound
[06:01] <ubotu> [fixsound]  http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[06:01] <_kevin> i get an error message while trying to configure the source of beep-media-player
[06:01] <_kevin> configure: error: Cannot find X11 headers/libraries
[06:01] <guz> nickrud,  thats sad, this is a very nice distro... very fast, but Im missing the good ole gentoo-portage-just-type-emerge way....
[06:01] <thoreauputic> dooglus: you might want to read that URL
[06:02] <thoreauputic> dooglus: ubotu's
[06:02] <_kevin> Can some tell me how to resolve that issue
[06:02] <psychonate> guz, apt is very nice actually
[06:02] <_kevin> where can i get X11 headers/libraries
[06:02] <psychonate> guz, and I had used Gentoo for at least 6 months
[06:02] <rg58sma> locomorto, i understandi me???
[06:03] <thoreauputic> _kevin: install xlibs-dev - but why are you compiling beep?
[06:03] <guz> psychonate, me too... and hate to compile from source.... the thing is that portage feels smother
[06:03] <psychonate> It feels smoother, or it smothers you?
[06:03] <psychonate> ;)
[06:03] <guz> hahahahha
[06:04] <thoreauputic> _kevin: there's a perfectly good beep-media-player in universe....
[06:04] <songpenguin> hello
[06:04] <rg58sma> locomorto, i understandi me???
[06:04] <songpenguin> hello world
[06:04] <guz> I hope that the gentoo team realize that compiling from source sucks :P and make something like portage4deb
[06:04] <IIIEars> flood is a ! keyword
[06:04] <psychonate> guz, I like the idea of "built for YOU," but I really don't notice so much difference in real use, and apt seems to be very functional, and, obviously, it takes less time generally.
[06:05] <songpenguin> guz: actually surce based it the best way
[06:05] <songpenguin> guz: and besides there are always GRP's
[06:05] <guz> true
[06:06] <guz> its just an opinion :P
[06:06] <deFrysk> songpenguin, what makes source based the best way ?
[06:06] <songpenguin> deFrysk: coustomized packages
[06:06] <deFrysk> costumized how ?
[06:06] <songpenguin> deFrysk: for example my gaim program doesn't have any gnome bindings
[06:06] <songpenguin> deFrysk: USE= variables
[06:06] <deFrysk> so ?
[06:07] <deFrysk> whats the big deal ?
[06:07] <songpenguin> deFrysk: us gentooers like it that way
[06:07] <GammaRay> songpenguin: and what percent of your packages do you customize?
[06:07] <deFrysk> 4 flags probable
[06:07] <deFrysk> 6 packages with newuse
[06:07] <songpenguin> GammaRay: well, most of my packages are coustomized
[06:08] <locomorto> rg58sma: sorry, i went idle for a little while
[06:08] <GammaRay> songpenguin: that's not what I asked
[06:08] <_kevin> thoreauputic i need to complie it to use another program
[06:08] <songpenguin> GammaRay: then what is the question?
[06:08] <locomorto> can you repeat what you said before you repeated the last setence a few times?
[06:08] <locomorto> thanz
[06:08] <locomorto> thank you
[06:08] <GammaRay> songpenguin: how many do *you* take the time to coustomize
[06:08] <scanwinder> does anyone know how to set up a Lucent Microelectronics V.92 56K Winmodem?
[06:08] <thoreauputic> _kevin: why? which program?
[06:08] <dooglus> _kevin: you can "sudo apt-get build-dep beep-media-player" to get all the headers and libraries you need
[06:08] <_kevin> mp3splt-gtk
[06:08] <songpenguin> GammaRay: all of them with USE= variables
[06:08] <_kevin> thanks dooglus
[06:08] <guz> where can I get the whole list of repositories!!
[06:08] <songpenguin> GammaRay: that's the point of gentoo
[06:09] <dooglus> _kevin: can't you just install the binary of it?
[06:09] <guz> all the repositories..
[06:09] <GammaRay> songpenguin: obviously not all packages have gnome bindings
[06:09] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - can a carriage return be inserted in /msg <some_foo>  ?
[06:09] <dooglus> thoreauputic: thanks, but I think that's the link which got my into this mess in the first place...
[06:09] <_kevin> i'm not sure
[06:09] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: dunno, sorry
[06:09] <nickrud> guz, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ExampleConffiles. use the 'better organized' version
[06:09] <songpenguin> GammaRay: well, on my coputer I enable ALSA disable OSS, ARTS, ESD etc
[06:10] <thoreauputic> dooglus: oh, sorry - it worked for me fine :/
[06:10] <dooglus> IIIEars: do "/query nick" to open a new window to that person
[06:10] <songpenguin> GammaRay: so every program with sound is also coustomized
[06:10] <dooglus> IIIEars: then paste into that window
[06:10] <_kevin> also I think i'm going to need the esound dev pack or library for beep-media-player
[06:10] <IIIEars> Excellent! - Thank You. :)
[06:10] <guz> nickrud, thanx\
[06:10] <locomorto> im going to eat now, so if you want me, msg me
[06:10] <dooglus> _kevin: "build-dep" is what you need
[06:10] <_kevin> ok
[06:11] <deFrysk> songpenguin, I had alsa and soud custumized in gentoo
[06:11] <jasmuz> hello all
[06:11] <dooglus> _kevin: except...  isn't just "sudo apt-get install beep-media-player" enough?
[06:11] <deFrysk> still ububtu sound support is better
[06:11] <_kevin> no
[06:11] <dooglus> _kevin: do you really need to compile it, when someone else has already done all the work for you?
[06:11] <guz> there are all the epositories??
[06:11] <_kevin> it doesn't detect bmp as installed
[06:11] <songpenguin> deFrysk: yes, I always thought having a million and one sound servers was pointless
[06:11] <songpenguin> deFrysk: I'm still installing ubuntu so I wouldn't know
[06:11] <deFrysk> songpenguin, so why drag alsa int it then ?
[06:11] <nickrud> guz, all the ubuntu ones
[06:12] <dooglus> _kevin: "ls -l /usr/bin/beep-media-player"
[06:12] <songpenguin> deFrysk: because that's the sound system I use
[06:12] <_kevin> too late i already deleted it
[06:12] <_kevin> and i'll just complie it now
[06:12] <songpenguin> deFrysk: instead of OSS
[06:12] <guz> I have all rthe ubunto ones....
[06:13] <Xyc0> I AM A GENIUS AMOUNG GENIUSES
[06:13] <dooglus> _kevin: to compile it, do this:
[06:13] <deFrysk> songpenguin, I had alsa with oss emu on gentoo
[06:13] <songpenguin> Xyc0 good for you what did you do?
[06:13] <jasmuz> Xyc0: you are just plain nuts
[06:13] <_kevin> i know how
[06:13] <deFrysk> ad stil sound support was poor
[06:13] <IIIEars> Xyco - is also renowned for his modesty? - j/k
[06:13] <songpenguin> deFrysk: why did you do that?
[06:13] <dooglus> "fake-root apt-get -b source beep-media-player"
[06:13] <Xyc0> I was installing the wrong freaking driver the entire damn time
[06:13] <GammaRay> songpenguin: gstreamer and xmms all have sound server support packaged sperately. So I'm not sure what the big deal is.
[06:14] <deFrysk> songpenguin, I just compiled the modules that way
[06:14] <_kevin> i just use the ./configue make and make install
[06:14] <__c4__> anyone know about serial port permissions (ttyS0)?  I'm trying to write to it from a Perl script...opens fine, no errors, but won't send anything, though minicom works fine...
[06:14] <guz> I can't find gst-register-0.8
[06:14] <deFrysk> songpenguin, ever used an avance logic soundcard ?
[06:14] <dooglus> _kevin: then how will you install it?
[06:14] <songpenguin> deFrysk: nope
[06:14] <deFrysk> or als4000
[06:14] <_kevin> i have the source already
[06:15] <_kevin> the tar.gz
[06:15] <deFrysk> well it runs perfectly in ubuntu
[06:15] <thoreauputic> _kevin: that way isn't integrated with the packaging system
[06:15] <dooglus> the apt system won't know about the installation if you do 'make install'
[06:15] <GammaRay> I find it quite rare that I really want to customize the compile time options of a package. ANd when I want to it's easy enough w/ apt.
[06:15] <deFrysk> and gantoo does not seem to like it
[06:15] <deFrysk> gentoo
[06:15] <songpenguin> GammaRay, the big deal is it's my favorite way of doing things
[06:15] <dooglus> _kevin: better to use apt-get to build it - then you get .deb files out the end of it, which you can install using "dpkg -i"
[06:15] <songpenguin> GammaRay, of course you can disagree with me
[06:16] <nickrud> guz, that's in libgstreamer0.8-0
[06:16] <_kevin> ok thanks for the advice dooglus, I'm just gunna try it my way for now and see if it works... if it doesn't i'll od it your way
[06:16] <_kevin> do*
[06:16] <dooglus> _kevin: if you do try it my way, fakeroot shouldn't have a dash in the middle...  :)
[06:17] <tsume> '/win 4
[06:17] <_kevin> ohh ok
[06:17] <guz> nickrud, I dont know, I'm just doing what the ubuntuguide says
[06:17] <psychonate> locomorto|food, around?
[06:18] <psychonate> locomorto|food, my friend says memtest is reporting some failed addresses
[06:18] <deFrysk> songpenguin, just dont say <whatever> is better
[06:18] <deFrysk> songpenguin, nothing is better
[06:18] <deFrysk> just use what works for you
[06:18] <songpenguin> deFrysk: I was just responding to when guz said that compiling from source sucked
[06:18] <jasmuz> psychonate: that means his RAM is about to blow
[06:19] <deFrysk> songpenguin, it doe suck
[06:19] <nickrud> guz, I don't use the ubuntuguide. What I did was search the contents of packages on packages.ubuntu.com for gst-register-0.8
[06:19] <deFrysk> thats why developers compile it for us
[06:19] <songpenguin> deFrysk: why does it suck?
[06:19] <saber_> man i think my ubuntu machine was hacked... since may 8 someone has been trying some brute force attempts on my machine
[06:19] <deFrysk> songpenguin, it slows down my pc
[06:19] <saber_> what can i do if all i have is an ip?
[06:19] <songpenguin> deFrysk: no, it speeds up your PC
[06:19] <saber_> how can i trace it if it is fake?
[06:20] <jasmuz> saber_: that sounds ber....have you placed a firewall?
[06:20] <GammaRay> compiling from source is useful for a minority of packages but not the majority
[06:20] <deFrysk> songpenguin, u work on your pc compiling Oo
[06:20] <deFrysk> have fun ;p
[06:20] <GammaRay> songpenguin: please don't tell me you just said that
[06:20] <jasmuz> saber_: do a trace to check where it comes from
[06:20] <songpenguin> GammaRay: I did
[06:20] <saber_> yeah i've got a firewall on my router, and also one the machine. i created it using mason
[06:20] <Jormundgand> saber_: why are you worried? Only reason to worry is if you use telnet or other insecure protocols.
[06:21] <jasmuz> saber_: then why would you worry?
[06:21] <GammaRay> songpenguin: well it's complete crap
[06:21] <saber_> no i don't. but i might have receipts on that machine, as i backup all my data onto a disk on that machine
[06:21] <saber_> i don't know: i'm just paranoid
[06:21] <saber_> man this is scary. i'm installing openbsd
[06:22] <jasmuz> saber_: hahaha...you are truly paranoid
[06:22] <kalias> nickrud:  Hey man you are batting 1000 tonight.  I have amule up and running.
[06:22] <saber_> hell yeah i am
[06:22] <_kevin> i keep getting this error when i try to runt he program i just complied : mp3splt-gtk: error while loading shared libraries: libmp3splt.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:22] <psychonate> jasmuz, so, could that possibly be the cause of kernel panics lol?
[06:22] <GammaRay> all major distos have been optimizing their compiles for a very generic set of x86 cpus *forever*. gentoo has found nothing new in the respect to make it fatser.
[06:22] <songpenguin> GammaRay: well, I'm compiling now and it's certianly not slowing down my computer
[06:22] <jasmuz> psychonate: dont doubt it
[06:23] <thoreauputic> guys, #distro-wars
[06:23] <saber_> i like ubuntu a lot though... its great... makes it really easy to do things
[06:23] <saber_> but now i'm freaking out heh
[06:23] <songpenguin> saber_ awsome
[06:23] <deFrysk> thoreauputic, no we have a geek-wannabee here
[06:23] <songpenguin> I'm installing ubuntu on my second computer
[06:23] <locomorto|food> psychonate: what did it say?
[06:24] <aardvark> hello all
[06:24] <jasmuz> saber_: you dont have to worry...but i recomend that you log all your attacks and verify them back
[06:24] <Jormundgand> Someone should tell IIIEars that the R.S.O.D. was a mockup.
[06:24] <aardvark> can anyone tell me which source to get mplayer from ?
[06:24] <saber_> yeah they are being copied onto a seperate machine rightn ow
[06:25] <psychonate> locomorto|food, some failed addresses
[06:25] <aardvark> darn
[06:25] <aardvark> can anyone tell me which source to get mplayer from ?
[06:25] <thoreauputic> aardvark: enable the multiverse repository
[06:26] <aardvark> thoreauputic, thanks
[06:26] <locomorto> does he know how to check whether the RAM sticks are properly inserted, and to clean any dust that might be there?
[06:26] <thoreauputic> aardvark: add the word "multiverse" to your "universe" lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:26] <locomorto> psychonate: does he know how to check whether the RAM sticks are properly inserted, and to clean any dust that might be there?*
[06:26] <deFrysk> thoreauputic, he is gone , too late
[06:27] <thoreauputic> ah well...
[06:28] <locomorto> psychonate: if its not that, then his RAM is stuffed. Tell him to get some quality ones
[06:28] <aardvark> thoreauputic, for mplayer on AMD ... -> mplayer-k7 ?
[06:29] <jasmuz> aardvark: exactly
[06:29] <thoreauputic> aardvark: probably, yes
[06:29] <aardvark> its a virtual package and does not install
[06:29] <Tezkah> how would I completely remove any trace of a program?
[06:29] <aardvark> jasmuz, mplayer-k6 neither
[06:30] <deFrysk> 686 for pre xp models
[06:30] <Tezkah> because I uninstalled privoxy, and now reinstalling it is giving me hella errors
[06:30] <bob2> Tezkah: which program?
[06:30] <aardvark> anyone running mplayer on AMD ?
[06:30] <bob2> Tezkah: paste the errors to #flood
[06:30] <HrdwrBoB> aardvark: yes
[06:30] <deFrysk> *uses
[06:30] <jasmuz> aardvark: they do install
[06:30] <aardvark> HrdwrBoB, which version to install ?
[06:30] <HrdwrBoB> aardvark: -k6
[06:31] <jasmuz> aardvark: i have mplayer-k6
[06:31] <Tezkah> bob2: done
[06:31] <locomorto> aardvark: if your running a non 64 bit version of ubuntu, then the normal ones do
[06:31] <bob2> Tezkah: sudo dpkg -P privoxy ; sudo aptitude -y install privoxy
[06:32] <aardvark> locomorto, k6 fails with -> Depends: libsvga1 but it is not installable
[06:32] <travalas> does anybody know where ERROR (0x82e8c50 - 310564:09:41.754620000)          spider( 7633) gstspider.c(466):gst_spider_identity_plug:<decoder> There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type audio/mpeg.
[06:32] <travalas> an error occured:
[06:32] <travalas> (null)
[06:32] <bob2> aardvark: don't use christian marillat's apt source
[06:32] <travalas> sorry wrong buffer
[06:32] <aardvark> bob2, I enabled ubuntu multiverse
[06:32] <travalas> does anybody know where gstreamer0.8-faad is at?
[06:32] <bob2> aardvark: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[06:33] <Tezkah> bob2: I get the exact same error
[06:33] <bob2> Tezkah: add "set -x" (no quotes) as the second line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/privoxy.postinst, then rnu the above commands again, and paste the output to #flood
[06:34] <thechitowncubs> is it possible to resize ext3 partitions?
[06:34] <bob2> thechitowncubs: I believe parted can do that
[06:34] <aardvark> bob2, done
[06:34] <deFrysk> aardvark, url ?
[06:34] <bob2> aardvark: what does "apt-cache policy libsvga1" print out? (#flood)
[06:35] <aardvark> bob2, see flood
[06:35] <thechitowncubs> i installed gParted, and it doesn't give me the option to resize
[06:35] <thoreauputic> aardvark: bob2, the universe lines are commneted in that list I think
[06:36] <locomorto> aardvark: your not using k7?
[06:36] <Anubis> how does one change the screen resolution in fluxbox?
[06:36] <Tezkah> oh man, when your installer says Ack!
[06:36] <Tezkah> you're screwed
[06:36] <Tezkah> I pasted my privoxy stuff, bob2
[06:36] <aardvark> no thats it
[06:36] <thoreauputic> Anubis: that's an X function, not a wm function
[06:36] <locomorto> aardvark: try finding the source and compiling the dependcy yourself
[06:36] <bob2> Tezkah: sure you edited the postinst script correctly?
[06:36] <Tezkah> yep
[06:36] <bob2> aardvark: ah, what thoreauputic said
[06:36] <locomorto> aardvark: or ensure that all the repos are added
[06:36] <aardvark> locomorto, I need to upgrade kerenel to k7
[06:36] <Tezkah> first line is set -s
[06:36] <Tezkah> second line is set -x
[06:36] <bob2> aardvark: uncomment the "universe" lines
[06:37] <Anubis> thoreauputic, well then why does the resolution change with wms then?
[06:37] <Tezkah> should I get rid of "set -e"?
[06:37] <thoreauputic> Anubis: hmm - I have no idea - never seen that
[06:37] <locomorto> aardvark: use Synaptic to find the k7 kernal
[06:37] <bob2> Tezkah: no
[06:37] <deFrysk> locomorto, k7 kernel is no faster ther i386 ?
[06:37] <bob2> Tezkah: what does "head /var/lib/dpkg/info/privoxy.postinst" print?
[06:37] <deFrysk> *then
[06:37] <aardvark> locomorto, yeah makes sense
[06:38] <aardvark> I can kick myself
[06:38] <aardvark> this is a fresh install
[06:38] <deFrysk> i386 works fine for me
[06:38] <nickrud> Anubis, if you're talking about gnome, it uses an X function to override xorg.conf via prefs->screen resolution; iirc fluxbox doesn't have that
[06:38] <deFrysk> I have never seen any improved speed with k7 kernel
[06:39] <psychonate> locomorto, do you think that could be causing his kernel panics?
[06:39] <Tezkah> bob2: it shows that the file gets reset if I do the dpkg/aptitude commands
[06:40] <locomorto> psychonate: its the most likely cause
[06:40] <bob2> Tezkah: can you paste it?
[06:41] <Tezkah> bob2: okay
[06:41] <locomorto> deFrysk: hes using k6 or something (?). And there is a small jump, but its not much
[06:42] <Tezkah> pasted
[06:42] <bob2> Tezkah: oh, duh me
[06:43] <bob2> Tezkah: now run "sudo dpkg --configure privoxy"
[06:43] <Tezkah> argh, same error
[06:43] <Tezkah> I'll paste it
[06:43] <tsume> :)
[06:43] <tsume> umm
[06:43] <songpenguin> wow, ubuntu has nice hardware detection!
[06:44] <tsume> s/duhs/says\ duh/
[06:44] <bob2> Tezkah: try adding "set -x" (no quotes) to the top of /etc/init.d/privoxy
[06:44] <bob2> then --configure again
[06:44] <bob2> this seems very familiar for some reason
[06:45] <Tezkah> invoke-rc.d: initscript privoxy, action "start" failed.
[06:45] <bob2> what happens when you run "sudo invoke-rc.d privoxy start" yourself?
[06:45] <saber_> ah i found him!! now to contact some system administrators
[06:45] <kalias> Hi :) Can anyone provide advice on firewalls and antivirus software for linux?  What should I be installing?
[06:46] <bob2> kalias: you don't need antivirus, and probably don't need a firewall
[06:46] <Tezkah> okay, it shows a bunch of path stuff
[06:46] <dooglus> kalias: neither, really.
[06:46] <Tezkah> then I'll paste it in flood
[06:46] <dooglus> kalias: "firestarter" is quite nice though
[06:46] <saber_> kalias: try out mason for firewall building. then there is clamav for antivirus
[06:46] <kalias> Are there any security measures I should take?
[06:46] <bob2> kalias: make sure you keep up to date with security updates
[06:47] <Kaiser_essen> kalias, are you a desktop user or an admin?
[06:47] <kalias> I am both.  I just built the ubuntu machine 2 days ago.
[06:47] <Kaiser_away> but only 1 box, not a network? you wont need many precautions in that case
[06:47] <saber_> http://www.puschitz.com/SecuringLinux.shtml
[06:48] <kalias> I guess the concern is getting hacked.  Does it happen in linux land very often?  My world is mainly windows.
[06:48] <synd-> so
[06:48] <makaveli> ok does anyone know how i would use the power management utilities to set the amount of time before hibernation or such?
[06:48] <guz> I HAVE NEVER SEEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS
[06:48] <deFrysk> kalias, small world isntit ;p
[06:48] <kalias> I guess...why do you say?
[06:48] <guz> my computer is light, multimedia, and working....
[06:48] <dooglus> kalias: read this if you're really worried about security: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/solrhe/Securing-Optimizing-Linux-The-Ultimate-Solution-v2.0.pdf
[06:49] <makaveli> or better yet does anyone know where the power managment utility is?
[06:49] <deFrysk> kalias, just kidding
[06:49] <kalias> okay, no worries :)
[06:49] <guz> is like gentoo meets mandriva :P
[06:49] <deFrysk> lol
[06:49] <kakalto> :?
[06:49] <Tezkah> I'm going to try rebooting
[06:49] <guz> better debian meets mandriva
[06:49] <makaveli> ?
[06:49] <nickrud> kalias, basically, if netstat -tl says everything is listening only to localhost, you're basically in good shape, I would think
[06:50] <makaveli> ?
[06:51] <kalias> Okay, thanks.  I will take a look at the pdf and see what it says. Any chess players out there?  I am going to install one of the linux chess programs.  Anyone have recommendations?
[06:52] <thoreauputic> kalias: xboard with gnuchess
[06:52] <bob2> gnuchess will almost certainly be able to beat you
[06:52] <makaveli> i don't know how to use power management on ubuntu can somebody help?
[06:52] <bob2> if not, phalanx should be in multiverse
[06:52] <kalias> yes, I heard that xboard by tim mann is quite good.
[06:52] <HC--> crafty is even better than xchat
[06:52] <dooglus> is there any way to get a job to run at 1am every morning, and if the PC was down at 1am then to have it run when the PC is next booted?
[06:52] <HC--> then again.. you'll have a hard time against gnuchess anyway
[06:52] <_kevin> is there any place where i can get a manual or howto for the command line with all the commands i can use in the ubuntu command line
[06:53] <dooglus> crafty beats gnuchess almost every time.
[06:53] <HC--> yeah
[06:53] <bob2> dooglus: anacron can do that
[06:53] <kalias> dooglus: Are you an avid chess player?
[06:53] <dooglus> bob2: are you sure?  I don't see how to specify the "1am" bit in anacron
[06:53] <bob2> dooglus: sure, but gnuchess can beat 95% of people anyway
[06:53] <dooglus> kalias: I'm not great
[06:54] <deFrysk> _kevin, debian.org docs might be a nice start
[06:54] <saber_> kevin: try this: http://tiger.la.asu.edu/quick_reference_card.htm
[06:54] <Tezkah> it seems privoxy is just broken
[06:54] <bob2> Tezkah: yeah
[06:54] <kalias> dooglus: neither am I but it is a bit of an obssesion.
[06:54] <bob2> Tezkah: can you run it manually? ie without the init script.
[06:54] <kalias> dooglus: ever play on icc?
[06:54] <Tezkah> bob2: yeah, it was saying it couldn't bind to the port
[06:54] <Tezkah> but now its running
[06:54] <Tezkah> its just not accepting connections
[06:54] <Tezkah> program is busted
[06:54] <nickrud> dooglus, I just reran this thing: add it to /etc/crontab for the time you want, and also to /etc/anacrontab to catch the reboots
[06:55] <dooglus> kalias: never.  I used to play on 'playsite.com' around 5 years ago
[06:55] <dooglus> nickrud: won't it end up being run twice then?
[06:55] <kalias> dooglus: what was your rating?  I was 1650 on icc, about the same over the board.
[06:55] <nickrud> dooglus, only on a reboot, and only within the first 24 hours of the reboot
[06:56] <liz4rd> i have a sb16 sound card but its doent work...i always have to do sudo modprobe snd_sb16 how do i get it to perminatly stay???
[06:57] <JohnnyRotten> is there a way to make the autoupdate only use the default repos?
[06:57] <saber_> liz4rd, add it to /etc/modules
[06:59] <liz4rd> saber: what would i type to add it?
[06:59] <bob2> dooglus: hm, you can alter cron to run anacron at 1am
[06:59] <bob2> dooglus: instead of what time it normally runs it
[06:59] <bob2> dooglus: but that doesn't give you  much flexibility
[06:59] <liz4rd> just snd_sb16?
[07:00] <thoreauputic> liz4rd: yeah, just put it on a line by itself
[07:00] <yahalom> how do i create a gpg key?
[07:00] <yahalom> i want to do it without using kgpg
[07:01] <bob2> yahalom: gpg --gen-key
[07:01] <bob2> yahalom: but www.gnupg.de has the full howto you should
[07:01] <bob2> read
[07:01] <yahalom> bob2, thanx :)
[07:03] <songpenguin> yahalom: gpg --gen-key
[07:04] <songpenguin> yahalon: then you have to export the key with gpg --send-keys (the new key) --keyserver (a keyserver)
[07:05] <songpenguin> yahalon: not (the new key) is the keys ID, not the name you gave it
[07:05] <nickrud> dooglus, take a look at how mandrake 7.2 used to run cron/anacron, that provides what you want.
[07:05] <songpenguin> yahalon: as in 19287GH376 might be a key
[07:05] <Tezkah> so bob2 , that set -x just makes it more verbose, eh?
[07:05] <bob2> Tezkah: it makes it print each command before running
[07:06] <songpenguin> yahalon: man gpg for more info
[07:06] <jasmuz> people take care
[07:11] <_kevin> anyone here use iroffer on linux or know how to use it
[07:12] <Tezkah> so is the 'system -> preferences -> font -> application font" supposed to be used for the File Edit... menus?
[07:13] <Tezkah> because I have that set for Sans 10, and the font for the taskbar/file menus/foot menu is much larger
[07:13] <yahalom> songpenguin, thanx :)
[07:13] <yahalom> ok it works great :)
[07:14] <dooglus> nickrud: how can I find how mdk7.2 used to do it?
[07:14] <JohnnyRotten> can anyone help me ubuntu wont boot right one my one older computer when it goes to start x/gnome the screen just goes black
[07:14] <nickrud> dooglus, I was afraid you'd be asking that :)
[07:14] <dooglus> bob2: I'm not sure that running anacron at 1am makes it do stuff at 1am.  I've seen anacron run stuff at funny times during the day.
[07:15] <dooglus> nickrud: I would have asked it sooner, but I got dragged off for a cuddle :)
[07:15] <bob2> dooglus: it should only do that after recent reboots
[07:15] <lifeless> bob2: or when you plug int
[07:15] <lifeless> o the power
[07:15] <nickrud> dooglus, I have the links under galeon in hoary, I'm looking from breezy again, and you life can be good
[07:15] <bob2> lifeless: oh yeah
[07:15] <dooglus> lifeless: what's that?
[07:15] <tiglionabbit> yo guys, I'm loving my Ubuntu.  Think I have a chance at the google summer of code thing?
[07:16] <Anubis> xcaht will only open in maximized view
[07:16] <Anubis> no longer can I control the sizze
[07:16] <Anubis> wtf
[07:16] <Anubis> one day it works
[07:16] <Anubis> next its broken?
[07:16] <nutorian> How do you make the top bar for the terminal transparent?
[07:16] <tiglionabbit> what do you mean you can't control the size?
[07:17] <emoboy> hello
[07:17] <emoboy> anyone here?
[07:17] <tiglionabbit> nutorian: you can do that?  Well I'd assume it would be under edit->current profile, if it exists, or perhaps an option in your window manager's themes
[07:17] <nutorian> How do you make the top bar for the terminal transparent?
[07:17] <tiglionabbit> we heard you the first time
[07:17] <tiglionabbit> yes, we're alive
[07:18] <tiglionabbit> yeah, I'm pretty sure the title bar will be handled by your window manager
[07:18] <emoboy> sry
[07:19] <bob2> nutorian: you probably can't
[07:19] <emoboy> may i ask a support question?
[07:19] <tiglionabbit> go ahead
[07:19] <bob2> nutorian: maybe using transset and applying it to metacity would work
[07:19] <tiglionabbit> bob2: you sure?  What if he creates his own window theme?
[07:19] <bob2> nutorian: or some crack window manager that supports it
[07:19] <bob2> tiglionabbit: window themese won't help
[07:19] <cafuego> bob2: Using transset will just make Xorg crash.
[07:19] <bob2> tiglionabbit: you need to hack the window manager to use the Composite extension to make itself transparent
[07:20] <tiglionabbit> really?  I can change the title bar by quite a bit with the current settings
[07:20] <tiglionabbit> oh, you mean translucent
[07:20] <tiglionabbit> I think KDE can do that.  There are options for it
[07:20] <nutorian> parent lucent either/or
[07:20] <tiglionabbit> anyway, summer of code stuff, anyone know about that?
[07:21] <emoboy> ok, well i new with HD installed linux, only used live cd before....i installed kubuntu today on my laptop and it looked fine, until i logged in and tried to startx. then i got an error about my mouse, and when i went into xorgconfig to fix it, i would then get an error about my screen "no screen present" or something
[07:21] <emoboy> and ideas?
[07:21] <JohnnyRotten> Can anyone help me? Ubuntu won't boot right on my older computer. When it goes to start x/gnome the screen just goes black and stays like that.
[07:21] <tiglionabbit> emboy: did you mess up xorg.config?
[07:22] <emoboy> no, it didnt work off the bat....and i installed 2 times
[07:22] <daba> hey, I was wondering, is there any research done on whether Linux is bad gfor your hard disk, or is it just that my hard disk is finally going cookoo. I can not boot into ubuntu any more
[07:22] <deFrysk> emboy next time use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:22] <tiglionabbit> emoboy: there's a #kubuntu channel, btw
[07:22] <emoboy> shall i try to type that in the console after i log in?
[07:23] <deFrysk> emoboy, what probs do you have with the mouse ?
[07:23] <tiglionabbit> emoboy: yes, console
[07:23] <emoboy> it just wont let me into X because it says "no core pointer" or something like that
[07:24] <deFrysk> oic
[07:24] <JohnnyRotten> guess no one can help. what spot would be best to post it on the forum? and is there any extra info I should include that might help
[07:24] <tiglionabbit> it shouldn't stop you for that..
[07:24] <tiglionabbit> there's probably another error
[07:24] <daba> I either get stuck on the nios part, where it vcounts the memory, or I get a kernel panix, or grub just doesnt load.
[07:24] <emoboy> ill go grab the lappie and ill let yall know exactly what it says...unless you want me to go to #kubuntu
[07:25] <daba> nios=bios
[07:25] <tiglionabbit> this is ubuntu-y enough for you to stay here
[07:25] <emoboy> ok ty
[07:25] <tiglionabbit> or be in both channels at the same time.  What client you using?
[07:27] <Horus> I pissed
[07:27] <JohnnyRotten> ?
[07:27] <tiglionabbit> good for you, horus.  That is an important biological function.
[07:27] <Horus> my ubuntu has becaome increasingly unstable
[07:27] <Horus> Gnome
[07:28] <Horus> Xfce4
[07:28] <tiglionabbit> hoary or warty?
[07:28] <Horus> Fluxbox in Ubuntu is not nice
[07:28] <Horus> wtf is still using warty?
[07:28] <Horus> right now
[07:28] <tiglionabbit> people
[07:28] <daba>  !anyone:)
[07:28] <Horus> xchat is broken
[07:29] <tiglionabbit> horus, you need to be more descriptive
[07:29] <Horus> it starts
[07:29] <Horus> gimme a sec
[07:29] <Horus> xchat starts
[07:29] <Horus> but takes forever
[07:29] <nalioth> howdy
[07:29] <Horus> then only the taskbar appears
[07:29] <nalioth> Horus: use irssi
[07:29] <JohnnyRotten> my problem is in hoary
[07:29] <daba> yo, nalioth, my computer wonr boot anymore:( the linux hard disk.
[07:30] <Horus> then when I touch the titlebar the pointer turns into a x
[07:30] <dr_willis> ive used and abused hoary.. and havent managed to break it yet. :P
[07:30] <yahalom> r gdesklets memory munchers?
[07:30] <Horus> the only way to see the screen is to fully maximize it
[07:30] <dr_willis> yahalom,  i  hear they are.,
[07:30] <dr_willis> yahalom,  and i hear of some memory leaks in them also. :(
[07:30] <nalioth> daba: use the live cd to rescue yourself (if your grub was eaten, that is)
[07:30] <Horus> it worked earlier in the day
[07:31] <Horus> I can't understand why it just stopped
[07:31] <yahalom> dr_willis, :(
[07:31] <Horus> I have even rebooted
[07:31] <emoboy> ok i just logged into my lappie, but no startx yet because i know it doesnt work
[07:31] <daba> Some kernel panic crap, and doesnt even get past the memory count sometimes. says tried to delete init, or something.
[07:31] <nalioth> yahalom: any eye-candy consumes major cpu
[07:31] <Horus> irssi looks like trash
[07:31] <tiglionabbit> Horus: neither can we.  You using an up-to-date version?  Do you have very much ram?
[07:31] <tiglionabbit> irssi is cool
[07:31] <tiglionabbit> use it
[07:31] <Horus> I want my xchat back
[07:31] <nalioth> daba you are in deep doo doo
[07:32] <Horus> I don't use old apps
[07:32] <yahalom> nalioth, yeah but some more than others :)
[07:32] <psychonate> I think I'm going to give LFS a shot since summer is nearly here.
[07:32] <Horus> and i don't run with low memory
[07:32] <daba> nalioth: yeah, wtf:) I think the linux ate my hard disk, somehow:)
[07:32] <tiglionabbit> Horus: read this guide and change your mind: http://f0rked.com/core/irssi
[07:32] <nalioth> yahalom: not that we should name them ...KDE?
[07:32] <psychonate> well, once summer starts anyway
[07:32] <emoboy> shall i type in that thing you messaged earlier now?
[07:32] <nalioth> dabe, naw, just ate itself
[07:32] <JDahl> Horus, maybe xchat is fine, but the recorded size for minimized use is screwed up...
[07:32] <daba> I hope so.
[07:32] <tiglionabbit> must be a flexible hard drive, nalioth
[07:32] <nalioth> daba whatever you did right b4 it wouldnt start anymore, don't do that again
[07:33] <daba> I wish I knew, tho:)
[07:33] <Horus> JDahl: and that just happens?
[07:33] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: yes the new-fashioned ones
[07:33] <nalioth> daba, this is part of the learning process
[07:33] <daba> I always come here and try anything anyone is trying, and always screw it up. It was weird tho, and I can never know, maybe someone hacked it even, who knows.
[07:33] <nalioth> daba: i have an extra steep curve, cuz i run ubuntu on a PPC
[07:33] <JDahl> Horus, no, but it can happen... maybe you can find the entry in the gconf database
[07:33] <scanwinder> where can i find ltdl library?
[07:33] <sevets> Can anyone tell me how to make it so that when I access a samba share from a windows box I do not need a password?
[07:34] <nalioth> daba, there are plenty of ways to be experiemental besides being a monkey (as in monkey-do)
[07:34] <bob2> scanwinder: what are you trying to do?
[07:34] <scanwinder> trying 2 install apollon
[07:34] <nalioth> scanwinder: can you find it using synaptic?
[07:34] <scanwinder> it dosent seem to have it
[07:34] <daba> it is there.
[07:35] <JohnnyRotten> Can anyone help me out please
[07:35] <yahalom> nalioth, :)
[07:35] <scanwinder> wait, yes it is lol......i typed it in wrong......
[07:36] <deFrysk> JohnnyRotten, only if you ask a question
[07:36] <daba> and maybe not even then, here.
[07:36] <emoboy> ok i ran the dpkg thing...now how do i know what driver to pick?
[07:36] <emoboy> "Select the desired X server driver"
[07:36] <Horus> JFC!!
[07:36] <JohnnyRotten> deFrysk, I have more than once so I will try again
[07:36] <nalioth> scanwinder: even when you select 'in packages' (the second pulldown option)
[07:37] <bob2> emoboy: use te default
[07:37] <JohnnyRotten> Can anyone help me? Ubuntu won't boot right on my older computer. When it goes to start x/gnome the screen just goes black and stays like that.
[07:37] <sevets> How do I make it so that I am not prompted for a password when I access a samba share?
[07:37] <emoboy> bob, i dont see default, there is just a huge list
[07:37] <desrt> JohnnyRotten; sounds like it's driving your monitor out of range
[07:37] <Horus> who else hates when bullshit falls outta the f(*&(* sky?!
[07:37] <tiglionabbit> JohnnyRotten: can you use a virtual terminal?  (hit control-alt-F1)
[07:37] <desrt> JohnnyRotten; does the screen go into power savings mode?
[07:37] <nalioth> JohnnyRotten: use VESA
[07:37] <kwi> hey
[07:37] <kwi> ned help
[07:37] <bob2> emoboy: hit enter
[07:37] <sevets> rofl
[07:38] <emoboy> it is on Neomagic, shall i try vesa?
[07:38] <kwi> trying to get my hands on driver for RV360 chipset ati radeon 9600 XT
[07:38] <desrt> kwi; xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:38] <nalioth> vesa is a safe bet for all monitors
[07:38] <emoboy> ok, its an old lappie so ill just try that for now...
[07:38] <JohnnyRotten> yes i can change to a terminal screen
[07:38] <JohnnyRotten> not sure if it goes into power saving mode
[07:38] <Horus> anytime I touch it the memory shoots sky high
[07:38] <desrt> kwi; it's in apt
[07:38] <Horus> the system momentarily locks
[07:38] <Horus> WTF!!?
[07:39] <Horus> GD!
[07:39] <Horus> MFER!!!
[07:39] <kwi> desrt - tried that... card being picked up is RV350.. and that is the problem
[07:39] <Eighth> RTFM!!
[07:39] <nutorian> How do I run xcompmgr in gnome?
[07:39] <Eighth> :P
[07:39] <JohnnyRotten> how do i change to vesa
[07:39] <bob2> Horus: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[07:39] <desrt> kwi; this is a non-standard chipset?
[07:39] <nalioth> JohnnyRotten: if you can switch login terminals, try vesa
[07:39] <kwi> this is a new accelerator chipset...
[07:39] <desrt> 0000:01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600]  (Secondary)
[07:39] <Horus> bob2: and?
[07:39] <kwi> just need to locate driver
[07:39] <desrt> kwi; ^^ my computer,  using xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:39] <nalioth> JohnnyRotten: do the dpkg-reconfigure thing from the wiki
[07:39] <kwi> desrt.. as am i
[07:39] <bob2> Horus: and please read it
[07:39] <Horus> which rule did I break?
[07:39] <nalioth> JohnnyRotten: and choose vesa
[07:40] <daba> bob2: Be respectful. The Ubuntu community and its members treat one another with respect. Everyone can make a valuable contribution to Ubuntu.
[07:40] <desrt> kwi; i don't understand why it's not working, then
[07:40] <daba> bah. sorry.
[07:40] <bob2> kwi: the ati driver will work fine, but perhaps not with accelerated 3d
[07:40] <nutorian> How do I run xcompmgr in gnome?
[07:40] <nalioth> daba! !ROFL!
[07:40] <sevets> So
[07:40] <kwi> card chipset is RV360 card chipset being used is RV350AR
[07:40] <bob2> nutorian: just run it
[07:40] <Horus> nutorian: open a term and run it
[07:40] <nalioth> daba: even the trolls?
[07:40] <desrt> kwi; i was just playing doom3 half an hour ago at like 50 frames per second
[07:41] <kwi> 350 works fine but is only 2d
[07:41] <daba> you know what it is? Ill tell you in PM if you want to know.
[07:41] <desrt> kwi; using a ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600] 
[07:41] <kwi> desrt what card you running?
[07:41] <JohnnyRotten> nalioth, So I go to the ubuntu wiki web page and follow some instructions for what you said?
[07:41] <desrt> kwi; are you  *sure* you're using fglrx?
[07:41] <kwi> ahhh now Im getting somewhere... let me go try that...
[07:41] <nalioth> JohnnyRotten: hang on a minim and ill get u the link
[07:41] <kwi> yes.. sure... brb
[07:41] <bob2> nutorian: xcompmgr in a terminal, to start with
[07:42] <tsume> desrt: out of curiosity, with that card, have you played ut2k4 yet?
[07:42] <kwi> gotta go fixz this... thanks for the AP heads up desrt.. good call
[07:42] <desrt> tsume; just the demo.  it screams, tho.
[07:42] <nalioth> JohnnyRotten: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:42] <emoboy> OK, i ran through the dkpg thing....very difficult questions, i just hit enter thruogh most of them. Now i still cant startx....would you like to know the error?
[07:42] <JohnnyRotten> k
[07:42] <nalioth> JohnnyRotten: during the reconfigure, choose vesa instead of ati or whatever
[07:42] <bob2> nutorian: please stop /msg'ing me
[07:42] <nickrud> dooglus, I had to install a bunch of stuff, but, here you are: http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/26/dist/15/size/29695/name/anacron-2.3-3mdk.src.rpm http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/26/dist/15/size/4929/name/crontabs-1.7-10mdk.src.rpm and ftp://mandrake.contactel.cz/Mandrake-old/updates/7.1/SRPMS/vixie-cron-3.0.1-46.4mdk.src.rpm
[07:42] <tsume> desrt: if you dont mind, can you open and run it at 1024x768 mode.. then join a network game. and while playing, hit tab, then type 'stat fps' and tell me how much frame that monster cries?
[07:43] <tsume> desrt: the stat for fps is in the top right corner
[07:43] <bob2> nutorian: if you want to use xcompmgr (which is a bad idea), you need to configure X to use the  composite extension
[07:43] <nutorian> bob2, Im sorry
[07:43] <desrt> tsume; that sounds like a lot of work :P
[07:43] <nutorian> Bob2, what about transset?
[07:43] <bob2> nutorian: same
[07:44] <tsume> desrt: I'm usually a Nvidia fun, but from what I'm seeing with this wannabe GeforceFX 5200 card.. they are slowly scaling downhill
[07:44] <tsume> desrt: its not :P I just type too much
[07:44] <JohnnyRotten> k im going to have to wait for my download to stop to try it :( not sure why but I can access web sites or anything while downloading it just times out
[07:44] <nutorian> Bob2, I suppose ill go look up how to do that
[07:44] <desrt> tsume; ati's linux support sucks
[07:44] <nalioth> bob2 i assume there are instructions on the wiki page to add/write a wiki entry?
[07:44] <desrt> tsume; but my computer kicks so much ass that it doesn't matter :)
[07:44] <emoboy> ok it says Fatal IO Error 104...and also Fatal Server Error: could not open default font 'fixed'
[07:44] <[Chameleon] > desrt: what do you have?
[07:44] <bob2> nalioth: just visit a non-existing url and you can create it
[07:44] <desrt> [Chameleon] ; p4 at 3.4 with 2gigs of ram
[07:44] <nalioth> bob2 kewl, and how exactly do i join the ubuntu collective?
[07:45] <tsume> desrt: well, this nvidia card just might be a year too old. I hear the new geforce card runs circles around this card, but thats hard to belive
[07:45] <bob2> nalioth: ie become a member?
[07:45] <[Chameleon] > desrt: nice
[07:45] <jsgotangco> nalioth, contribute and show :)
[07:45] <desrt> tsume; video cards are insane
[07:45] <nalioth> bob2 is that a wiki article? heh
[07:45] <desrt> tsume; they easily exceed moore's law
[07:45] <[Chameleon] > desrt: AMD64 3500+ w/1 GB ram here
[07:45] <dabaslon> nalioth: you are already...
[07:45] <nalioth> jsgotangco: show what? (my ignorance?)
[07:45] <desrt> [Chameleon] ; yum :)
[07:45] <desrt> [Chameleon] ; do you run amd64?
[07:45] <bob2> nalioth: show your contributions
[07:45] <dabaslon> ((nalioth))
[07:45] <dabaslon> :)
[07:45] <bob2> nalioth: e.g. helping people in here
[07:46] <sevets> where is smb.conf located?
[07:46] <[Chameleon] > desrt: I was, until this morning... just not enough packages built yet.
[07:46] <bob2> nalioth: or packaging stuff or ...
[07:46] <jsgotangco> nalioth, contributions can be anything to help out ubuntu
[07:46] <desrt> [Chameleon] ; nod.
[07:46] <[Chameleon] > desrt: I switched over to 32 bit
[07:46] <bob2> sevets: /etc/samba or /etc/smb or so
[07:46] <JohnnyRotten> does anyone know if dreamweaver mx runs under wine?
[07:46] <nalioth> bob2 how much time i waste in here? (when i should be out earning real money? heh heh)
[07:46] <sevets> danke
[07:46] <jsgotangco> nalioth, do artwork, hack code, write docs, etc.
[07:46] <nalioth> bob2 so all the junk i've had apt build for me, i could throw back into the wild?
[07:46] <bob2> nalioth: of course, if you do become a member, everyone will know how much you contribute...including your boss ;p
[07:47] <bob2> nalioth: you've packaged new things? for sure!
[07:47] <nalioth> bob2 HA HA i am my OWN boss
[07:47] <bob2> nalioth: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[07:47] <emoboy> any1??
[07:47] <JohnnyRotten> nalioth, any chance you can copy and paste the instructions to me in a private message from that web page?
[07:47] <nalioth> dang y'all got all aexcited
[07:47] <[Chameleon] > desrt: I'll come back to 64-bit when Breezy is out... hopefully it'll be more complete then.
[07:47] <bob2> nalioth: hah, nice...
[07:47] <desrt> [Chameleon] ; breezy will have biarch
[07:47] <bob2> [Chameleon] : what's missing?
[07:48] <bob2> desrt: no it won't
[07:48] <desrt> bob2; uh.  it almost already does
[07:48] <[Chameleon] > bob2: Mono, 3D drivers that don't lock up my machine, etc.
[07:48] <[Chameleon] > desrt: biarch?
[07:48] <saber_> hmm... is there a way to use irc anonymously?
[07:48] <bob2> [Chameleon] : mono should build on it fine
[07:49] <tiglionabbit> JohnnyRotten: why not use lynx?
[07:49] <desrt> [Chameleon] ; 64bit kernel with hybrid 32/64bit userspace
[07:49] <bob2> pretty sure tseng is fixing that up right now
[07:49] <[Chameleon] > bob2: the latest doesn't
[07:49] <[Chameleon] > desrt: cool
[07:49] <desrt> so you can run 64bit apps where possible but also run 32bit where you need to
[07:49] <bob2> desrt: I'm almost certain multi-arch was nixed for breezy
[07:49] <[Chameleon] > nice
[07:49] <[Chameleon] > doh
[07:49] <nalioth> JohnnyRotten: if you go here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto and start at the top, you'll fix your problem
[07:49] <desrt> bob2; well, i know that it's almost done for powerpc
[07:49] <desrt> and that it's on the slate for amd64 too
[07:49] <nalioth> JohnnyRotten: just remember when you get to the dpkg-reconfigure part, choose vesa
[07:49] <bob2> desrt: right, the dpkg work is the only thing left
[07:50] <bob2> (and apt and co)
[07:50] <nalioth> saber_: break into a bank?
[07:50] <desrt> so breezy will definitely have biarch
[07:50] <desrt> unless for some reason they decide to not ship it
[07:50] <bob2> er
[07:50] <bob2> the dpkg stuff isn't done
[07:50] <desrt> breezy is october
[07:50] <JohnnyRotten> tiglionabbit, is doesnt matter what kind of program i use it they dont work when downloading something unless i am already connected like i am on irc right now
[07:50] <bob2> yes, I know
[07:50] <[Chameleon] > they still have like 3 months
[07:51] <bob2> unless you mean "a kernel that can run i386 and amd64 binaries", in which case warty was "bi-arch"
[07:51] <saber_> no, but i think its a good idea
[07:51] <desrt> bob2; and a toolchain
[07:51] <saber_> there should be some kind of server abstraction...
[07:51] <[Chameleon] > yeah, actually, I was running 32-bit apps in the AMD64 kernel
[07:51] <bob2> desrt: warty had a biarch toolchain for amd64, too
[07:51] <desrt> including, at least, c library
[07:51] <[Chameleon] > but some stuff wouldn't work
[07:51] <JohnnyRotten> any program that is a internet program times out trying to connect to a site when i am in a middle of some kind of download :(
[07:51] <bob2> desrt: actual multiarch support requires dpkg support for installing i386 and am64 packages
[07:51] <sevets> bob2: could you tell me how to enable a.. anon account/ geust account for samba?
[07:52] <desrt> bob2; well, for myself, i don't care about that
[07:52] <desrt> bob2; i basically need a box that i'm capable of developing 64bit apps for
[07:52] <bob2> desrt: right, but your definition of biarch was implemented a year ago
[07:52] <desrt> bob2; not for my platform :)
[07:52] <bob2> desrt: ppc?
[07:52] <nalioth> anyone know the "sign up to be a new member" page?
[07:52] <desrt> yes
[07:52] <JohnnyRotten> nalioth, yeah i know i just asked about pasting the info cause i cant access the site for about 20 more minutes
[07:53] <nalioth> JohnnyRotten: ok then
[07:53] <desrt> in addition to my bitchin' PC i have an even more bitchin' mac :)
[07:53] <spanglesontoast> nova you on?
[07:53] <bob2> nalioth: I'm pretty sure you propose yourself and it gets discussed at the next community council meeting
[07:53] <[Chameleon] > desrt: heh
[07:53] <desrt> dual G5 2.5ghz with 4gigs :P
[07:53] <desrt> *pat pat*
[07:54] <spanglesontoast> how do I enable a port to my ident server?
[07:54] <bob2> spanglesontoast: so, we went over this yesterday
[07:54] <bob2> spanglesontoast: installing it is enough from the ubuntu side
[07:54] <bob2> spanglesontoast: if you have an external firewall, you need to configure it
[07:54] <spanglesontoast> yea I cleaned my iptables etc
[07:55] <spanglesontoast> do I have to set it up the ident server?
[07:55] <spanglesontoast> settings wise
[07:55] <spanglesontoast> not just running
[07:55] <bob2> nope
[07:55] <sevets> samba de amigo
[07:55] <bob2> for any sane ident server, anyway
[07:55] <bob2> sevets: you don't enable anything
[07:55] <nalioth> bob2 propose where and to whom? all i've got is a few PPC pkgs i've had apt build from source (and my gibber-jabberin in here)
[07:55] <nalioth> desrt: yer teasin me
[07:55] <bob2> nalioth: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/processes/newmember
[07:56] <nalioth> bob2 thx
[07:56] <psychonate> desrt, did you have to sell your house for that?
[07:56] <desrt> psychonate; nah.  work bought it
[07:56] <[Chameleon] > psychonate: just his soul
[07:56] <psychonate> ah
[07:56] <[Chameleon] > j/k
[07:57] <[Chameleon] > desrt: what do you do for work? so, if you're let go, you have to give it back?
[07:57] <psychonate> desrt, buying it would not be worth it IMO, but if it work bought it, it's nothing but good :)
[07:57] <sevets> bob2: perhaps the permissions then?
[07:57] <desrt> [Chameleon] ; i hack the kernel
[07:57] <spanglesontoast> bob you said it doesn't actually do anything to irc?
[07:57] <[Chameleon] > desrt: OIC, nice
[07:57] <desrt> [Chameleon] ; and yes.  it belongs to them.
[07:57] <bob2> sevets: perhaps, have you made the directory readable by everyone?
[07:57] <bob2> spanglesontoast: yes, it's completely unrelated except that some irc servers will identd you on connect
[07:58] <bob2> nekton[AFK] : can you please turn that off?
[07:58] <[Chameleon] > desrt: who is the "them" that you work for? Canonical?
[07:58] <spanglesontoast> hmm
[07:58] <desrt> mcmaster university
[07:58] <sevets> bob2: I have, its permissions are 777 should it not be this?
[07:58] <spanglesontoast> how would I add port 113 to be enabled in iptables
[07:58] <desrt> i'm a student
[07:58] <bob2> spanglesontoast: I'm still pretty convinced you have a firewall problem
[07:58] <bob2> spanglesontoast: right
[07:58] <bob2> spanglesontoast: you're running a firewall on the ubuntu machine?
[07:58] <bob2> sevets: right
[07:58] <spanglesontoast> well I have iptables on it
[07:58] <[Chameleon] > desrt: they pay you to be a student? where can I sign up for that?!
[07:59] <sevets> bob2: one would think everyone would have to read it to have access to it?
[07:59] <desrt> [Chameleon] ; i pay them for me to be a student.  they just happen to give me even more back :)
[07:59] <nalioth> [Chameleon] : come on, he works for "Them"
[07:59] <spanglesontoast> is ubuntu so secure it doesn't need a firewall?
[07:59] <[Chameleon] > nalioth: heh
[08:00] <bob2> spanglesontoast: of course, every ubuntu machine has iptables installed, but by default it does nothing
[08:00] <desrt> ya.  just so you know.  i work for them and the matricks has y'all
[08:00] <bob2> spanglesontoast: by default there is no need for a firewall, yes
[08:00] <nalioth> spanglesontoast: ubuntu by default, is "listen only" which means when someone knocks, it doesnt answer
[08:00] <spanglesontoast> ah
[08:00] <Tezkah> yeah right
[08:00] <bob2> spanglesontoast: since ubuntu doesn't have any network services available to the world
[08:00] <Tezkah> my ubuntu box got a WORM
[08:00] <spanglesontoast> is there a way to see the iptables settings in a .conf file?
[08:00] <Tezkah> a box came up and said "NT.dll 50 seconds to reboot"
[08:00] <bob2> Tezkah: that would be amazingly surprising
[08:00] <desrt> Tezkah; ow.  that's a bad one :(
[08:00] <Tezkah> oh wait that was Windows... XP... Service Pack 0...
[08:00] <anubis> I fixed xchat myself
[08:01] <nalioth> bob2 i think he let his fishin tackle get loos
[08:01] <nalioth> e
[08:01] <bob2> spanglesontoast: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian
[08:01] <[Chameleon] > Telep: that's what you get for running Windows on your Ubuntu box
[08:01] <sevets> enough for me tonight I geuss
[08:01] <nickrud> spanglesontoast, sudo iptables -L tells you what rules are active
[08:01] <spanglesontoast> Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
[08:01] <spanglesontoast> target     prot opt source               destination
[08:01] <spanglesontoast> Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)
[08:01] <spanglesontoast> target     prot opt source               destination
[08:01] <spanglesontoast> Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT)
[08:01] <spanglesontoast> target     prot opt source               destination
[08:01] <spanglesontoast> that's ok?
[08:01] <bob2> that is fine
[08:01] <bob2> and the default
[08:02] <Xyc0> How do you copy a dir contetnts to another directory through bash?
[08:02] <bob2> what is between this machine and the internet?
[08:02] <spanglesontoast> hmmm I'm wondering why I am getting problems
[08:02] <teanti> hai
[08:02] <bob2> Xyc0: cp -a /dir1/ /dir2/
[08:02] <bob2> Xyc0: assuming dir2 doesn't exist
[08:02] <[Chameleon] > spanglesontoast: if you want a simple to configure firewall, I recommend Firestarter.
[08:02] <spanglesontoast> router which is has port 113 forwarded to this machine
[08:02] <Xyc0> bob2: It esists, im trying to patch ut2004
[08:02] <Xyc0> exists*
[08:04] <Xyc0> thanks bob2
[08:04] <teanti> hai
[08:05] <bob2> spanglesontoast: assuming you're irc'ing from the machien you're trying to do this on, you appear to have identd working fine
[08:06] <ilba7r> any help configuring a wirless lan is appreciated guys
[08:06] <spanglesontoast> yea but the good thing now
[08:06] <spanglesontoast> is that It actually say shameless exists
[08:06] <nalioth> dont think there's anyone awake in #ubuntu-motu
[08:06] <spanglesontoast> but it cannot connect
[08:06] <bob2> ilba7r: you need to be ay more specific
[08:06] <bob2> nalioth: just wait, they'll all be waking up soon
[08:07] <nalioth> bob2 yes but its time for me to sleep, i have to be up in 6 hours
[08:07] <bob2> nalioth: ah
[08:07] <ilba7r> bob2 i have a wirless net on my notebook the default installation could not configure it i tried downloading wlan but did not work
[08:07] <nalioth> bob2 don't wakey nobody
[08:07] <nalioth> bob2 i'll check in later today (from my point of view)
[08:07] <bob2> lifeless: what card is it?
[08:07] <ilba7r> bob 2 tell me what information you need and i will provide i
[08:07] <ilba7r> t
[08:07] <lifeless> bob2: the which what ?
[08:08] <bob2> bah
[08:08] <sevets> How do I  view a man page?
[08:08] <mebaran151> sevets
[08:08] <mebaran151> term > man (proggie)
[08:08] <spanglesontoast> would it be wise to forward port 6667 to this machine?
[08:08] <mebaran151> anyone here having trouble with screem
[08:08] <sevets> thnakya
[08:08] <mebaran151> my screem doesnt like to save
[08:08] <mebaran151> it throws an invalid url error
[08:08] <mebaran151> and I cant figure out why
[08:08] <nalioth> sevets: galeons (a web browser) has a link from its start page to documention on all your proggy, also
[08:09] <Tezkah> anyone familiar with ACPI?  I'm having major troubles with Sleeping
[08:09] <nalioth> Tezkah: join the club
[08:09] <bob2> Tezkah: wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryPMTesting
[08:09] <[Chameleon] > mebaran151: doesn't it just make you want to scream?
[08:09] <[Chameleon] > heh
[08:10] <Tezkah> bob2, no results?
[08:10] <ilba7r> is there a page on configuring 802.1g wirless card for ubuntu does not seem even to see it when i check network configuration
[08:10] <sevets> lol
[08:10] <sevets> how do I exit the man page?
[08:11] <bob2> ilba7r: you need to find out what chipset it uses
[08:11] <bob2> sevets: q
[08:11] <[Chameleon] > sevets: q
[08:11] <nalioth> sevets: the letter "q"
[08:11] <cafuego> ilba7r: is the card supported by the Linux kernel?
[08:11] <sevets> thanks
[08:11] <dabaslon> ZZ too.
[08:11] <bob2> Tezkah: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPM
[08:11] <ilba7r> cafuego it runs perfect on mepis i used the live cd
[08:11] <Tezkah> well basically, when I suspend it, it wouldn't come back
[08:11] <mebaran151> Chameleon
[08:11] <Tezkah> just powered off with the power button
[08:11] <mebaran151> please
[08:11] <nalioth> dabaslon: the big lit button on front of the box exits you every time, right?
[08:11] <mebaran151> the jokes hurt my nose
[08:11] <Tezkah> so I used some guy's ACPI stuff
[08:11] <mebaran151> I have to write some html
[08:11] <mebaran151> and I like screem's interface
[08:11] <Tezkah> and now the keyboard can bring it back from suspend
[08:11] <[Chameleon] > mebaran151: heh, I'm trying it out right now
[08:12] <Tezkah> but it just powers off
[08:12] <mebaran151> I am on AMD64
[08:12] <Tezkah> like I had hit the power button
[08:12] <cafuego> ilba7r: mepis isn't Ubuntu. Did you check which driver mepis uses for it? Did you check if you have that driver installed?
[08:12] <bob2> Tezkah: are you using the power button to put it to sleep?
[08:12] <ilba7r> i am doing that now caguego
[08:12] <Tezkah> bob2, no, the lid, or the sleep button
[08:12] <Tezkah> ohhh
[08:12] <Tezkah> that faq might do the trick
[08:12] <[Chameleon] > mebaran151: hmm... if you had caught me this morning, I was still on AMD64 as well... But I've reinstalled with the 32-bit version because of too many problems with the 64-bit stuff
[08:13] <nalioth> Tezkah: it's not a macintosh, is it?
[08:13] <dabaslon> not a very f aq...
[08:13] <Tezkah> nope, it's an x86/Linux machine =)
[08:13] <nalioth> Tezkah: well then i don't feel so bad. sleep dosent wake up on my iBook either
[08:13] <dabaslon> ha
[08:14] <dabaslon> okok, ill stop trolling.
[08:14] <[Chameleon] > mebaran151: hmm... Saving in SCREEM works fine for me.
[08:14] <mebaran151> yeah
[08:15] <dtorg29> hey I am a noob to linux and i have put on Kubuntu, I have a emachine 6809 bios flashed to a 6811, obvisouly its a laptop, but anyways i was wondering if it is possible to be able to use volume keys on the keyboard to control PC speakers. I know it controls the laptop speakers, but i am having trouble controlling pc speakers with it thanks if you can help
[08:15] <[Chameleon] > mebaran151: did you try BlueFish?
[08:15] <nalioth> bluefish, what a wonderful proggy
[08:15] <[Chameleon] > my wife likes it a lot
[08:15] <mebaran151> yeah
[08:15] <mebaran151> bluefish is ok
[08:15] <mebaran151> I prefer screem
[08:15] <HrdwrBoB> [Chameleon] : yeah? I might try it
[08:15] <mebaran151> it has cooler features
[08:16] <mebaran151> and autocompletion
[08:16] <mebaran151> unfortuantely
[08:16] <mebaran151> I am forced to copy and paste everything in gedit
[08:16] <sevets> awesome
[08:16] <Tezkah> time to reboot
[08:16] <Tezkah> wish me luck!
[08:17] <sevets> I had to enable share level security instead of user level security
[08:17] <sevets> :D
[08:17] <[Chameleon] > mebaran151: well, or you could use Bluefish
[08:17] <mebaran151> yeah
[08:17] <mebaran151> I could ...
[08:17] <mebaran151> I am trying it now
[08:18] <spanglesontoast> hey where is the user password thing stored
[08:18] <dtorg29> if yo udont mind me asking i didnt catch it , but what is bluefish?
[08:18] <spanglesontoast> I wanna test john the ripper on my password
[08:18] <nalioth> spanglesontoast: its hiding in your user password
[08:18] <nalioth> dtorg29: its a html editor
[08:18] <dtorg29> thanks
[08:19] <nalioth> dtorg29: similar to arachnophilia
[08:19] <spanglesontoast> huh
[08:19] <spanglesontoast> yea I mean't where is it stored
[08:19] <hardcampa-> spanglesontoast..if ubuntu is like all the rest unixes it should be in /etc/shadow
[08:19] <spanglesontoast> ah
[08:19] <nalioth> spanglesontoast: in the passwords directory
[08:19] <JohnnyRotten> nalioth, thank you it worked its running fine now :)
[08:19] <ilba7r> the wirless card is broadcom BCM4306 802.11b/g wirless controller
[08:19] <nalioth> vesa is a safe fallback for video drivers
[08:21] <Xyc0> How do you uninstall a program you installed from binary .sh file?
[08:21] <spanglesontoast> there is no directory called passwords
[08:21] <nalioth> Xyc0: you have a very intensive hunt on your hands
[08:21] <nalioth> Xyc0: you have to read the .sh and see whre it put everything
[08:22] <nalioth> Xyc0: and then chase it down and decide what to do with it
[08:22] <Xyc0> fuck me
[08:22] <nalioth> Xyc0: then rewrite any changes the sh made to your rc files
[08:22] <Xyc0> anyone know what the whole Can't find 'ini:Engine.Engine.GameEngine' in configuration file error is about for ut2004?
[08:22] <Xyc0> I got that after i patched it
[08:22] <nalioth> Xyc0: thats why i use apt to build (and if the source isnt available to apt, i use checkinstall)
[08:23] <Xyc0> nah, its a video game
[08:23] <spanglesontoast> where is the passwords stored on ubuntu
[08:23] <nalioth> spanglesontoast: "locate password"
[08:25] <Xyc0> passwords?
[08:25] <Xyc0> what are you trying to do?
[08:25] <nalioth> Xyc0: he wants to "john the ripper" his pwd
[08:25] <nickrud> spanglesontoast, if you'll look back, some one told you /etc/shadow
[08:26] <iceman> Wow, Microsoft may start suppoerting open source ...
[08:26] <ilba7r> bob2 the wirless card is broadcom BCM4306 802.11b/g wirless controller
[08:26] <Xyc0> iceman: all lies
[08:26] <spanglesontoast> yea theres nothing in shadow
[08:26] <nalioth> iceman: is that an announcement for tomorrow? since hippos will fly this afternoon
[08:26] <Xyc0> they support nothing of the sort
[08:26] <iceman> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1823548,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03129TX1K0000616  article about it there
[08:26] <nalioth> spanglesontoast: nothing but shadow.. ..
[08:27] <Xyc0> iceman: They are creating a community to support some of their minor programs so they dont have to
[08:27] <iceman> I am not joking, doing a distro search, posted on a linux site
[08:27] <Xyc0> iceman: they make the rules tho, it has nothing to do with GPL
[08:27] <nalioth> apple moving to intel, m$ goin to open source, where are the devil-manufactured frigidaires?
[08:28] <iceman> can't support open source, with a completly closed license
[08:28] <jetscreamer> maytag went bankrupt
[08:28] <mebaran151> nalioth, I own one
[08:28] <mebaran151> it spits out fire
[08:28] <mebaran151> I mean buffalo wings
[08:29] <iceman> heres more ... http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1823267,00.asp
[08:29] <Xyc0> fuck yea, and the new Xbox will play PS2 Games
[08:29] <mebaran151> Xyc0, that isnt that great
[08:29] <nalioth> Xyc0: dont forget the nintendo compatiblity layer.. .. ..
[08:29] <mebaran151> will the new Xbox play Zork
[08:29] <mebaran151> that is what I am concerned about
[08:29] <Xyc0> M$ and Nintendo are already working together
[08:30] <Xyc0> realy
[08:30] <Xyc0> really8
[08:30] <Xyc0> w/e
[08:30] <Xyc0> fucking keys
[08:30] <Xyc0> ?me shakes his fist
[08:30] <iceman> mocrosoft losing a lot of ground ...
[08:30] <nalioth> Xyc0: kick the cat off the kb
[08:30] <nickrud> yeah, I wanna look in the mailbox again.
[08:30] <GammaRay> MS and Nintendo are doing *what* now?
[08:30] <Xyc0> holly crap nalioth, your psycic, he seriously is laying on my hands
[08:31] <Xyc0> M$ and Ninendo have been making plans over the last couple of months
[08:31] <GammaRay> pet the pussy for me
[08:31] <Xyc0> they want to wipe Sony off the planet
[08:31] <iceman> blog here on microsoft and opensource...
[08:32] <iceman> and a posting on microsoft ... http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sharedsource/default.mspx
[08:32] <bob2> ilba7r: is it too late to return it?
[08:33] <GammaRay> the term blog sucks. there is nothing new about updating a web site on a regular basis.
[08:33] <ilba7r> bob2 it came installed on my notebook
[08:33] <Xyc0> some how the term stuck tho
[08:33] <bob2> ilba7r: dang
[08:33] <bob2> ilba7r: you need to use ndiswrapper to get it to work under linux, sadly
[08:33] <ilba7r> bob2 so it is not comaptable
[08:34] <bob2> ilba7r: you can use the windows driver under ubuntu
[08:34] <ilba7r> bob2 ok so what is ndiswrapper
[08:34] <Xyc0> How do I check disk space?
[08:34] <bob2> Xyc0: df -h
[08:34] <jetscreamer> df -h
[08:34] <bob2> ilba7r: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[08:34] <GammaRay> Xyc0: alot of shit sticks.. but you have ot ask yourself? why is that exactly? (-;
[08:35] <ilba7r> thanx bob2 does it have information on using the wndows driver too
[08:35] <Xyc0> GammaRay: Wow that made no sence, im all up for randomness, but that was to xrazy
[08:35] <bob2> ilba7r: yes, that's what ndiswrapper does
[08:36] <Xyc0> ndiswrapper lets you use M$ drivers on linux for wireless cards
[08:36] <Xyc0> right?
[08:36] <ilba7r> thanx bob2 for the link now i think i need to do some reading thanx man bye now
[08:36] <jetscreamer> bittorrent tracker is down  ah
[08:36] <GammaRay> Xyc0: make perfect sense.. the first sentence isn't supposed to be a question though
[08:36] <bob2> Xyc0: windows ndis drivers, yes.
[08:36] <jetscreamer> is there anywhere to d/l the dvd
[08:37] <jetscreamer> besides breezy
[08:37] <Xyc0> Ill have to figure out how to use that so I can get M$ off my laptop
[08:38] <GammaRay> Xyc0: all right.. I'll answer my own question.. "cuz it's shit" ho ho
[08:39] <mebaran151> so screem
[08:39] <mebaran151> is making me screem
[08:39] <mebaran151> does bluefish have tab completion
[08:39] <mebaran151> I love tab completion
[08:39] <Xyc0> Hey what is GammaRay on?  I seriously have no clue what he's talking about
[08:39] <mebaran151> is like the best thing since me
[08:39] <nalioth> y'all be goood
[08:40] <nalioth> been a long day
[08:40] <nalioth> nighty night
[08:40] <GammaRay> I'm just mixing the literal w/ the figurative.. it's a trip
[08:40] <scanwinder> when i goto install apollon, i get this error
[08:40] <scanwinder>  * configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[08:40] <scanwinder> ***** Return value 1
[08:40] <scanwinder> whats that mean?
[08:40] <bob2> scanwinder: why are you compiling it?
[08:40] <bob2> apollon is in ubuntu already
[08:40] <jetscreamer> is that .. what bob2 said
[08:41] <utada> shjak
[08:41] <scanwinder> it is?
[08:41] <Rossie> hai all
[08:41] <scanwinder> i cant find it anywhere in ubuntu
[08:41] <Xyc0> GammaRay: Your just mixing the literal with some Vodka :D
[08:41] <bob2> scanwinder: apollon - KDE-based interface to the giFT file-sharing system
[08:41] <bob2> scanwinder: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[08:42] <xskoulax> morning
[08:43] <hapysushi> hello all..  question: i've installed ndiswrapper and it works, but my computer won't load it on boot, and it hangs on the 'configuring network interfaces' part and i have to  press Ctrl C to skip it.  can anyone help me get it working on boot?
[08:43] <GammaRay> Xyc0: you have never heard that old (stupid) joke about cling-ons?
[08:43] <GammaRay> Xyc0: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=clingons&defid=461868
[08:43] <scanwinder> when i try 2 find apollon, it doesnt find anything
[08:44] <GammaRay> wow.. that definition is a bit graphic
[08:44] <GammaRay> they had to mention the hair
[08:44] <bob2> scanwinder: yes, read the wiki page I gave you the url to
[08:45] <scanwinder> ok
[08:45] <utada> haiii
[08:46] <jetscreamer> ok so as far as anybody knows, the dvd.iso doesn't exist except for the breezy version
[08:46] <jetscreamer> it's a magic torrent
[08:46] <scanwinder> im actually using kubuntu......things are different in kynaptic, how do u bring up the repositories in kynaptic?
[08:46] <Madpilot> evening, all... how do I tell Nautilus to add (burn) new stuff to a previously-burnt CD that still has empty space on it?
[08:47] <scorpix_> how can i start on translating breezy?
[08:47] <bob2> scanwinder: try #kubuntu
[08:47] <bob2> Madpilot: was the cd originally multi-session?
[08:48] <Madpilot> bob2: I'm not sure. It's a regular CD-R, not -RW. I should mention this is the first burner I've ever owned...
[08:49] <bob2> Madpilot: you can't add to previously burnt cds unless they were burnt "multi-session" to begin with
[08:49] <Madpilot> bob2: good to know... seems I've just burnt my first coaster!
[08:50] <JohnnyRotten> lol
[08:50] <Madpilot> bob2: is "multi-session" a CD-thing or a setting in Nautilus?
[08:50] <bob2> it's a cd thing
[08:50] <bob2> I don't know if nautilus supports it or not
[08:52] <Madpilot> bob2: this is why I bought a pack of cheap CD-Rs to pratice on... :)
[08:53] <hapysushi> my computer makes system beeps on bootup and shutdown.  does anyone know how i can stop that?  it's pretty annoying.
[08:54] <hapysushi> it never did it with any other distro i've tried besides ubuntu
[08:54] <utada> hai
[08:55] <Rayen16> hi, is Ubuntu able to work with a wireless keyboard ?
[08:56] <bob2> yes
[08:56] <CruNcher> hapysushi take a nife and cut the speaker off ;) *jk*
[08:56] <jetscreamer> unplug the speaker from the mb
[08:56] <jetscreamer> unload the module is another way, or blacklist it
[08:56] <Rayen16> bob2, was that 'yes' meant for me? :P
[08:56] <bob2> Rayen16: yes
[08:56] <jetscreamer> oh nm just unplug
[08:56] <Rayen16> YESSSSSSG!!!!!!! Thanks :)
[08:57] <hapysushi> cruNcher: no can do, i got a laptop :(
[08:57] <CruNcher> oh hehe :D
[08:58] <rixth> Rayen16, most wireless keyboard are handled by the hardware its self, one thing is though, most wireless keyboards dont have capslock lights etc so there's now ay of knowing whether their on.
[08:58] <rixth> (Unless there's a tray applet)
[08:58] <Madpilot> it seems Nautilus doesn't support multiple burns... coaster, anyone?
[08:59] <Vurdak> hi
[08:59] <JohnnyRotten> how do you mount a iso image
[09:00] <jetscreamer> -o loop
[09:00] <JohnnyRotten> also how do you get it to show up on the desktop like when you put in a cd
[09:03] <dr_willis> hmm. My system did popup somthign when i put in a blank cd.. i disabled that. :P
[09:11] <ja> hi,where is cardlist in ubuntu ? list of tv cards support with ubuntu ?
[09:11] <ja> or where is kernel documentation ?
[09:15] <locomorto> man kernal?
[09:15] <linukso> ja: get the kernel source
[09:16] <linukso> ja: sudo aptitude install linux-source-2.6.10
[09:16] <linukso> ja: or check the hardwarelist at ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[09:18] <ja> thanks
[09:20] <JohnnyRotten> does anyone know if outlook 2003 will run using wine or crossover office
[09:22] <Xyc0> smeg has dependency problems, anyone else getting that?
[09:24] <JohnnyRotten> i got the new smeg working by just running the isntall script from the web page
[09:24] <JohnnyRotten> oops install script
[09:24] <benplaut> are you using Breezy?
[09:24] <benplaut> darn...
[09:24] <benplaut> i'm going to have to re-install
[09:25] <scanwinder> playing dvd's with kaffeine always jerks for me............can anyone think why?
[09:25] <locomorto> your pc is slow?
[09:25] <locomorto> KDE?
[09:25] <benplaut> KDE :P
[09:26] <Xyc0> JohnnyRotten: wich webpage?
[09:26] <locomorto> but seriously, make sure you have DMA enabled on your cd rom drive, or is that for hard drives only (i forget)
[09:26] <locomorto> and then after that, move to gnome
[09:26] <stefan_dk> Xyc0, http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[09:26] <Jarek> slm
[09:27] <JohnnyRotten> i cant remember its posted in the ubuntuforums
[09:27] <benplaut> i completely f***ed up my install... this time i'm doing a server install, and not installing useless stuff that will break my system!
[09:27] <Xyc0> thanks stefan_dk
[09:27] <Jarek> Hi
[09:27] <Rossie> allo
[09:27] <benplaut> hi
[09:28] <Rossie> somebody can help me
[09:28] <locomorto> benplaut: thats more likely to fusk up your system
[09:28] <locomorto> unless you like lynx
[09:28] <benplaut> eh...
[09:28] <Rossie> who can tell me another link to install winehq
[09:28] <benplaut> xfce, and then apt-get my way to a full system
[09:28] <benplaut> should work :)
[09:29] <Rossie> i try at winehq.org but i got error want i try to download
[09:29] <JohnnyRotten> i like lynx :)
[09:30] <Rossie> Failed to fetch http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/source/wine_0.0.20050419-winehq.orig.tar.gz
[09:30] <lhb> Rossie: there is a good tutorial in ubuntuforums.org do install wine from cvs
[09:30] <benplaut> i'm also going to try Fedora 4... but i think i'll wait till it's released
[09:30] <Rossie> ic
[09:30] <Rossie> tq
[09:30] <Rossie> for hlping
[09:31] <JohnnyRotten> wish i had a broadband connection downloads forever on dialup
[09:31] <Unspecified> hello, i just installed ubuntu server (minalist) install. i would like to know what services i need at least to run ubuntu properly and which ones i can turn off...
[09:31] <Unspecified> i alerady read the wiki but it is not comprehensive
[09:32] <Xyc0> JohnnyRotten: I pitty you
[09:32] <benplaut> i had dialup for so long (with windows)
[09:33] <benplaut> the minute i got broadband, i got linux :)
[09:33] <lhb> Rossie: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29996
[09:33] <Xyc0> Linux = Broadband
[09:34] <benplaut> Linux requires broadband
[09:34] <sebby> Hi there.
[09:34] <benplaut> ...almost
[09:34] <benplaut> hi
[09:34] <JohnnyRotten> i had broadband then moved a area that has no broadband options
[09:34] <JohnnyRotten> :(
[09:34] <sebby> Just a quick question, i'm a little fuzzy on the area of groups and owners of objects in nix
[09:34] <sebby> i have a drive i am trying to mount, an ntfs drive
[09:35] <sebby> i would like it to not mount as root, which it does by default
[09:35] <lhb> well you can always order the cd's
[09:35] <sebby> do i just append -o user to the mount command?
[09:35] <Unspecified> because i use ubuntu server install to only do one thing (image partitions) is it just alright to turn off _every service_ (except hotplug, since i have USB keyboard)?
[09:35] <Unspecified> am i allowed to try that?
[09:35] <bigfoot> Hi all, I am a newbie to Ubuntu/Linux. I'm low on hard drive space. What command should I use to find stuff on my hard drive that is bigger that X megabytes and was added/modified after a certain date (say May 1, 2005)?
[09:36] <toresbe> hmm, that's a tough one ...
[09:36] <JohnnyRotten> i have the cds you still need to do updates and download other software you want to use and thats a pain
[09:36] <benplaut> go through your home folder, for one
[09:36] <ka24> find can do it
[09:36] <toresbe> "ls -Rs1 | sort -n"
[09:36] <benplaut> do a server install, in worst case scenario
[09:36] <toresbe> that would tell you the biggest file
[09:36] <toresbe> run it in your home, for example
[09:37] <bigfoot> toresbe, ka24, you're talking to me, right?
[09:37] <toresbe> yeah
[09:37] <ka24> yep
[09:37] <toresbe> ls -Rs1 | sort -n
[09:37] <toresbe> list recursvely, with size, one file per line, pipe into sort, numerically
[09:37] <JohnnyRotten> it would be nice if there was a way to order the extras cd for free
[09:37] <Xyc0> ahhh thats much better
[09:38] <benplaut> Johnny: yeah...
[09:38] <Xyc0> whats a good game to test on Cegeda?
[09:38] <Unspecified> i ordered 5 cds and only got 1
[09:38] <benplaut> well... that's the way life goesQ
[09:38] <benplaut> !
[09:38] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, benplaut
[09:38] <benplaut> about what?
[09:39] <nxv_> where do i have to change system time? time in kde is okay but in the console it is wrong. i need Europe/Berlin
[09:39] <JohnnyRotten> i got the 20 cds i ordered Unspecified
[09:39] <JohnnyRotten> gave some to my friends
[09:39] <benplaut> i've gotten none of my five
[09:40] <benplaut> i ordered the day they said that orders would be delayed until Hoary was released?!?!
[09:40] <sjohnson> hey dudes, what program is best to burn a DVD .iso image in Ubuntu?
[09:40] <nxv_> k3b :)
[09:40] <Unspecified> windows xp
[09:41] <benplaut> gnome-baker
[09:41] <JohnnyRotten> i forget when i ordered it was a while back and just got them about 2 weeks ago i think
[09:41] <sebby> hey um mount shows /dev/hda2 on /files type ntfs (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=sebby)
[09:41] <sebby>  but for some reason when i mount it as user sebby it sets the grp/own to root, so i still can't access the files. :(
[09:41] <deFrysk> sjohnson, right click the iso in nautilus
[09:41] <sjohnson> k
[09:41] <benplaut> they are really being slow about mine
[09:41] <sjohnson> deFrysk: do i need to install a "nautilus" burner
[09:41] <sjohnson> software?
[09:41] <benplaut> i guess they don't like shipping to Hawaii  >:(
[09:42] <JohnnyRotten> i think i seen there is a nero for linux is that any good?
[09:42] <deFrysk> sjohnson, already innit I beleive ?
[09:42] <nxv_> where do i have to change system time? time in kde is okay but in the console it is wrong. i need Europe/Berlin
[09:42] <sjohnson> yah
[09:42] <deFrysk> JohnnyRotten, sucks
[09:42] <sjohnson> i think it's by default, thanks deFrysk
[09:42] <sjohnson> deFrysk: it doesn't register tho that my burner is an 8x
[09:42] <JohnnyRotten> that sucks runs nice in windows
[09:42] <sjohnson> maybe i should just hit "maximum possible" for write speed and hope for the best?
[09:43] <discord> man my box crashes all the time with the nvidia driver anyone else have similar problems?
[09:43] <deFrysk> sjohnson, yup
[09:43] <corza> Hi I need help installing LimeWire
[09:43] <deFrysk> discord, nope
[09:43] <JohnnyRotten> deFrysk what is the best program to use?
[09:44] <shido> ok
[09:44] <deFrysk> JohnnyRotten, for burning what ?
[09:44] <benplaut> corza: get the .RPM file
[09:44] <shido> I made my tv a dedicated screen in xorg.conf
[09:44] <shido> but cant remember where on the wiki i found it
[09:44] <corza> benplaut
[09:44] <shido> for mplayer full screen
[09:44] <corza> ihave it installed
[09:44] <corza> but it wont run
[09:44] <corza> i think i'm missing dependency files
[09:44] <corza> But i have Java
[09:44] <JohnnyRotten> mostly music and data cds
[09:45] <Unspecified> Ubuntu with GUI = SLOW!
[09:45] <deFrysk> gnomebaker and gravenamn
[09:45] <JohnnyRotten> some vcds,picture cds
[09:45] <Unspecified> Ubuntu without GUI = FAST!
[09:45] <Unspecified> never again will i use ubuntu with gui
[09:45] <benplaut> umm
[09:45] <sjohnson> fuck i can't believe some people who program this, Nautilus desktop burner doesn't even report how fast it's burning
[09:45] <kvidell> Unspecified: I've never had a problem with my Ubuntu GUI.
[09:45] <sjohnson> one of the most basic things...
[09:45] <benplaut> kindof stupid...
[09:45] <sjohnson> what is the matter with some people
[09:45] <kvidell> Then again I use Openbox
[09:46] <deFrysk> sjohnson, is burning @ max speed, what more do you want ?
[09:46] <JohnnyRotten> my gui isnt slow
[09:46] <JohnnyRotten> lol
[09:46] <benplaut> nautilus is first a file manager, and second a burner
[09:46] <nubs> How do I get Quanta in UBUNTU?
[09:46] <corza> anyone know the Dependencies for LimeWire?
[09:46] <sjohnson> deFrysk: i have no way of knowing it's going at 8x, considering my only selections were 1, 2, 3, 4x
[09:46] <benplaut> corza: Java Runtime Environment... i think that's about it
[09:47] <deFrysk> corza, got java in path ?
[09:47] <corza> I have Java installed.. i'm pretty sure i installed it properly
[09:47] <_23doors> anyone wanna play cube?
[09:47] <corza> i have it installed in...
[09:48] <JohnnyRotten> are there any free games like warcraft other then craft and freecraft
[09:48] <Unspecified> ubuntu GUI is extremely slow, it's like using a trojan infested windows 95 computer. man... that is why i'm using windows xp for GUI O/S and ubuntu as non-GUI o/s. someone should fix the gui...
[09:48] <benplaut> then go ahead! you shouldn't have any problems
[09:48] <hondje> JohnnyRotten: Wesnoth is fun
[09:48] <corza> /usr/java/(jre1.5etc)
[09:48] <benplaut> Unspecified: then use XFCE, or a WM...
[09:48] <discord> corza, have you looked at the dirctions to install on ubuntuguide.org
[09:48] <JohnnyRotten> what is cube _23doors
[09:48] <corza> i have
[09:48] <sjohnson> faaaaaaaaaaaaudge
[09:48] <_23doors> it's a 3d game
[09:48] <discord> you need to add it to your path
[09:48] <corza> and i followed them
[09:48] <_23doors> http://www.cubeengine.com
[09:48] <discord> what happens when you try to start it?
[09:49] <hondje> corza: needing java, not plugin?
[09:49] <Unspecified> i would if ubuntu supported my tv tuner...
[09:49] <Unspecified> leadtek winfast
[09:49] <corza> discord: how do i add it to my path
[09:49] <corza> hondje: i'm pretty sure its java.. not the plugin.. n i have installed it
[09:49] <hondje> corza: try sudo ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_03/bin/java /usr/bin/java
[09:50] <hondje> That'll put a simlink to the java executable in your path
[09:50] <corza> hmm its still not working
[09:50] <sjohnson> how long does it take to burn a full dvd at 4x on avg
[09:50] <discord> corza
[09:50] <corza> discord?
[09:51] <discord> if you add java at your path
[09:51] <discord> then you should be able to type java
[09:51] <corza> how do i add it at my path??
[09:51] <discord> at the prompt
[09:51] <hondje> corza: the simlink would add it, type 'which java'
[09:51] <discord> look at ubuntu guide if its not in the hoary directions
[09:51] <discord> then its in the warty ubuntu guide
[09:51] <hondje> if it gives you something like /usr/bin/java, then it's in your path
[09:51] <discord> i gotta go
[09:51] <discord> got a guest
[09:51] <toresbe> have fun
[09:52] <deFrysk> defrysk@ljouwert:~$ which java
[09:52] <deFrysk> /usr/bin/java
[09:52] <deFrysk> like so
[09:52] <hondje> Yep, which has great powers :)
[09:52] <deFrysk> ;)
[09:54] <nubs> hey how do I get Quanta in ubunu?
[09:54] <corza> hmm
[09:54] <corza> didnt work
[09:54] <hondje> corza: you mean which didn't say anything?
[09:54] <Chislon> hi could i get some help figuring out partitions
[09:54] <corza> /usr/bin/java is not a directory
[09:54] <hondje> Naturally, it's a link :)
[09:55] <corza> argh lol
[09:55] <hondje> Naturally, it's a link....well, should be. You did sudo ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_03/bin/java /usr/bin/java right?
[09:55] <corza> yes i did
[09:55] <hondje> hrm, guess I hit up arrow :)
[09:55] <hondje> ls -l /usr/bin/java
[09:56] <corza> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 31 2005-06-06 17:50 /usr/bin/java -> /usr/java/jre1.5.0._02/bin/java
[09:56] <hondje> then it's in your path :)
[09:56] <corza> well how come its not working :|
[09:56] <corza> i open limewire and nothing happens
[09:56] <hondje> I dunno, what's the error/app/etc? I stepped in late, assuming it was the std java problem
[09:56] <corza> Java exec not found in PATH, starting auto-search...
[09:56] <corza> Java exec found in  /usr/java/jre1.5.0_02/bin/
[09:56] <corza> OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE. LimeWire works best with Sun JRE available at http://www.java.com  [/usr/java/jre1.5.0_02/bin/java = Error] 
[09:56] <corza> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://www.java.com
[09:57] <hondje> hrm, I don't know what limewire is, I'm useless like normal again :)
[09:57] <corza> p2p client
[09:57] <hondje> oh, that explains why I don't know it :)
[09:57] <corza> lol
[09:57] <luxo_> anybody uses openbox in gnome?
[09:58] <benplaut> luxo_: yup
[09:58] <hondje> anyone use mathematica in ubuntu?
[09:58] <corza> hondje: i tried one time.. didnt know how the hell to use it lol..
[09:58] <luxo_> benplaut: is it really faster than with metacity?
[09:59] <mrchicago> hello
[09:59] <corza> so it says that its not found in PATH...
[09:59] <hondje> corza: any install / running troubles?
[09:59] <corza> hondje: no i think i used an RPM
[09:59] <mrchicago> what is the url for the packages for ubuntu
[09:59] <hondje> mathematica rpm? Hrm
[09:59] <benplaut> luxo_: yeah... especially because it doesn't have thje fake "window animation" in Metacity (the black boxes when opening and closing a window)
[09:59] <hondje> I assumed it'd be like matlab et al, with an install shell script :)
[09:59] <corza> oh wait no i didnt..
[09:59] <corza> or did i
[10:00] <hondje> Dunno
[10:00] <corza> it was a few months ago
[10:00] <corza> i had it working but i didnt know how to use mathematica
[10:00] <hondje> I dunno, I'd remember if I shelled out a ton of money for smoething and installed it though ;-)
[10:00] <mrchicago> glas i have this installed
[10:00] <corza> lol
[10:00] <mrchicago> now all i need to know
[10:00] <mrchicago> where i can findapps
[10:00] <sebby> hey um
[10:00] <corza> hmm god why is it saying i dont have a valid JRE..
[10:01] <sebby> i cant access stuff onthe administration menu
[10:01] <sebby> i tried to get to users and groups but it wont accept my root password
[10:01] <sebby> keeps saying child exited with status -1
[10:02] <luxo_> benplaut: i', trying to run on fluxbox, but sometimes i've _feeling_ i miss gnome :) ... but it is slow on my older box
[10:02] <benplaut> XFce with Gnome-panel and openbox
[10:02] <benplaut> (and nautilus, if oyu want)
[10:03] <benplaut> really fast
[10:03] <sebby> okay i did user-admin from the run menu as well
[10:03] <bigfoot> ka24, how do I use the "find" command in this case?
[10:03] <sebby> that, with my admin password, just hangs.
[10:04] <bigfoot> toresbe, i ran the  "ls -Rs1 | sort -n" command. But is there a way to find only files that's greater than X megabytes, and made/modified after a certain date?
[10:04] <corza> k i'm doing an apt for java see if that fixes it
[10:05] <sebby> so what is the deal with everything hanging on the admin menu
[10:05] <sebby> is this some sort of bug
[10:05] <corza> what is the files to be able to use make??
[10:06] <hondje> sebby: never happened to me...you can't gksudo the command?
[10:07] <sebby>  gksudo users-admin
[10:07] <sebby> (gksudo:8821): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[10:07] <hondje> odd, that sucks
[10:07] <toresbe> bigfoot: yeah, but I don't know it :)
[10:07] <corza> What is the package so that I can use make(make install etc)
[10:07] <sebby> most everything either hangs, doesnt show up, opens and then closes, or gives a child exited with status -1 error
[10:07] <hondje> corza: build-essential IIRC
[10:07] <corza> yay i got limewire working :D
[10:07] <hondje> gives you gcc and the like
[10:08] <Ubuntian> hi guys, someone knows the command line to fix files (PAR) from newsgroups (binaries)?
[10:09] <hondje> Ubuntian: par2?
[10:09] <sebby> sebby@sebby:~$ gksudo users-admin
[10:09] <sebby> GNOME_SUDO_PASS
[10:09] <sebby> sudo: 1 incorrect password attempt
[10:09] <sebby> that's bullsh*t.
[10:09] <sebby> i think i know my root password.
[10:09] <hondje> Ubuntian: also maybe look at parchive, looks interesting
[10:09] <sebby> if i type my user password i get:
[10:09] <fabbione> sebby: that's why sudo wants your USER passwd
[10:09] <sebby> ksudo users-admin
[10:09] <sebby> postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory
[10:10] <fabbione> otherwise use su -
[10:10] <Trixsey> Hey! I've got a problem
[10:10] <hondje> oh wow, I have work to do now! My job has purpose!
[10:10] <Ubuntian> hondje, ok thanks
[10:10] <fabbione> and use your root passwd
[10:10] <hondje> Ubuntian: Your welcome
[10:10] <Trixsey> OSS was bugging, so I switched to ALSA
[10:10] <sebby> yeah, well, either way its still not working because of that error
[10:10] <Trixsey> It worked great untill I rebooted the computer
[10:10] <Trixsey> It seems there is a process / module disturbing ALSA
[10:10] <Trixsey> I dont know how to terminate it permanently
[10:10] <puk_> How do I changer permissions of a file?
[10:10] <hondje> puk_: with chmod
[10:10] <Trixsey> puk_, chmod
[10:11] <Chislon> is it correct that linx can read NFTS and that you can get a prog for windows to read ext2, and that if i do then there is no need for a file sharing fat32 partition? and if so, is it then advisable to do it this way over doing a fat32 partition? please say my name in response so i can find it easier if you would, thank you
[10:11] <sebby> no
[10:12] <sebby> ntfs is read only
[10:12] <hondje> Chislon: writing to ntfs is bad
[10:12] <sebby> well yeah, basicaally
[10:12] <sebby> keep the fat32
[10:12] <Morten^Toft> Chislon, i would go with the fat32 if i were you
[10:12] <benplaut> Chilson: best to do it over a FAT32 partition, it's a tried and true method
[10:12] <hondje> Easiest thing is to make it all ext3 ;-)
[10:12] <Chislon> ok thank you everyone, any suggestion as to how big the fat32 should be?
[10:13] <benplaut> Chilson: how big is your hard drive?
[10:13] <Chislon> i have about 12-13 gigs used up now, with a total of about 55 gigs, not sure how best to do it, i was thinking of doing 5 gig for /, 1 gig for swap, and then not really sure about the rest?
[10:13] <corza> I want to make a shortcut to a folder how do i do that?
[10:13] <benplaut> i'd say do 10 gigs
[10:13] <Chislon> will ubuntu's installer easily help me to make a 5 gig partition for / and putting /home in another?
[10:13] <benplaut> better to over-esitmate
[10:13] <Chislon> ok
[10:14] <benplaut> Chilson: the advanced partitioner lets you do that
[10:14] <benplaut> text based, but easy to use
[10:14] <Chislon> ok.. hopefully i can figure that out heh heh
[10:14] <Chislon> is that under manual?
[10:14] <benplaut> it's not hard
[10:14] <Chislon> because i dont remember seeing an advanced option?
[10:14] <Madpilot> speaking of partitioning, has anyone ever had trouble with GParted & SATA drives?
[10:14] <benplaut> i came from SuSE, with it's nice GUI, and i found the ubuntu text based easier to use
[10:15] <Chislon> kool
[10:15] <Xyc0> Anyone know how to MANUALLY delete something from menu, with out using smeg or any other programs?
[10:15] <Madpilot> we tried to partition & format my new SATA drive today, and it didn't take until we did it manually - GParted's partitions weren't being recognized, it seems...
[10:15] <hondje> I liked ubuntu's installer, it noticed my odd keyboards
[10:15] <benplaut> Chilson: it will bring up a screen reccomending a partition setup (i think to erase the entire disk, usually), and press the button to manually edit the partitions
[10:16] <benplaut> i'm going to bed
[10:17] <Chislon> ok thank you
[10:17] <benplaut> talk with all of you later :)
[10:17] <Chislon> will ubuntu's installer set up the fat32 file sharing partition?
[10:19] <Trixsey> Hello everyone! I'm having sound problems. After experiancing major disturbances with OSS I killed a process disturbing ALSA and swaped over to ALSA... The thing is, it seems like the process is auto-loading each time Ubuntu loads, causing further disturbances... Can anyone help me identify and annihilate this process for good? :o)
[10:22] <corza> how do i make a shortcut towards a folder??
[10:23] <Xyc0> Trixsey: what is the actual problem?
[10:23] <Trixsey> The actual problem being major sound disturbances
[10:23] <Chislon> how does this sound...  20 gig for windows, 19 for /home, 5 for /, 1 for swap, 10 for fat32 filesharing?
[10:23] <Trixsey> Scratching and stuff
[10:23] <Xyc0> Trixsey: EX. you have no sound, the sound is static
[10:23] <Trixsey> in the sound
[10:23] <Trixsey> I do have sound
[10:23] <Trixsey> Its just shitty
[10:24] <ompaul> corza: where is this folder?
[10:24] <Trixsey> I think OSS is disturbing ALSA or something wierd like that
[10:24] <Trixsey> there is a process I need to terminate... thats somehow fucking the sound up
[10:24] <Xyc0> Trixsey: what kind of card is it?
[10:24] <Trixsey> An onboard intel soundcard
[10:24] <corza> in /mnt
[10:25] <Xyc0> Trixsey: did you mute micraphone and input lines?
[10:25] <Trixsey> thats not whats your Xyc0
[10:25] <Xyc0> mircophone*
[10:25] <Trixsey> whats wrong
[10:25] <Trixsey> even
[10:25] <Trixsey> The thing is
[10:25] <corza> ompaul: its in /mnt
[10:25] <scanwinder> how do i install qt3-dev? in kynaptic when i try to select it, it selects a whole lot of other packages except it and when i go2 install them, they wont install
[10:25] <Trixsey> Some h4x0r helped me locate the error yesterday
[10:26] <ompaul> corza, well if you are going to leave that file in /mnt forever and not umount it AND it is on the same partition as /home then you can do it
[10:26] <Trixsey> it was a process disturbing ALSA somehow
[10:26] <Trixsey> So we killed it, I swaped over system sound to ALSA instead of OSS
[10:26] <Xyc0> Trixsey: well he knows best
[10:26] <ompaul> corza, I presume you want this shortcut on your desktop?
[10:26] <corza> it's not on the same partition.. its on a seperate partition
[10:26] <Trixsey> Xyc0, he was just a guy in #ubuntu... :p
[10:26] <corza> well not my desktop but my shortcuts menu
[10:26] <Trixsey> But then when I rebooted, the process was back in buissness so to say :p
[10:27] <Trixsey> Teasing me :(
[10:27] <corza> its the directory to my XP Partition
[10:27] <corza> Windows XP
[10:27] <Xyc0> corza: You have to mount the system
[10:27] <corza> I have it mounted
[10:27] <Xyc0> corza: and most likely it is ntfs
[10:27] <corza> yes it is
[10:27] <corza> it's mounted..
[10:27] <Chislon> if im doing a seperate / and /home... what all needs to go to / and what to /home, or will the ubuntu installer just call it / and /home so i know how to set it up?
[10:27] <Trixsey> Xyc0, you dont know what it might be? You know how I uninstall OSS that comes with ubuntu?
[10:27] <corza> i just want to create a shortcut to a folder in it
[10:27] <Xyc0> corza: http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/
[10:28] <Xyc0> corza: you already have it mounted?
[10:28] <corza> yes
[10:28] <corza> i'm playing music of it right now
[10:28] <Xyc0> then change the mount point
[10:28] <ompaul> ln -s /var/log/messages ~ompaul/Desktop/.
[10:28] <deFrysk> drag and drop the folder from nautilus -> desktop
[10:28] <ompaul> corza, that is me making a link of the file messages to my desktop
[10:29] <ompaul> corza that is using the directory /var/log ln -s /var/log/ ~ompaul/Desktop/.
[10:30] <Trixsey> Xyc0, so you dont know how to solve my problem? :(
[10:31] <corza> ompaul thanks but how do i now delete them?
[10:31] <ompaul> right click and move to trash
[10:31] <bigfoot> hi bob2!
[10:31] <Xyc0> Trixsey: well you arn't exactly letting me, If you already know the problem, and already know the solution, there isnt much I can do
[10:31] <corza> awesome thanks dude
[10:32] <ompaul> corza, enjoy
[10:32] <corza> :) Shall :D
[10:32] <sebby> can anyone name a good frontend for apt-get
[10:32] <sebby> a graphical one
[10:32] <sebby> and not aptitude, curses really hurts my head
[10:32] <bigfoot> sebby,  synaptic
[10:32] <sebby> cool
[10:32] <sebby> thanks
[10:32] <Trixsey> Xyc0, I told you, I need help identifying the process again and terminating it permanently.
[10:32] <bigfoot> you are most welcome.
[10:33] <Trixsey> Not just temporarily
[10:33] <sebby> my head hurts.
[10:33] <sebby> apt-get install -mymigraine :<
[10:33] <bigfoot> Hi all! I'm a newbie to linux/ubuntu. How can I find out what codecs each movie file uses? I hear that they are not all equal, even if they have the same extension.
[10:34] <bigfoot> sebby, why the headache?
[10:34] <sebby> i get optical migraines.
[10:34] <sebby> i've got about 5/20 vision right now.
[10:34] <bigfoot> sebby, you know what? Me too. My head hurts when I spend too much time in front of the computer, staring at the monitor.
[10:34] <sebby> I don't get it from that..
[10:35] <sebby> optical migraines are caused by a chemical inbalance in the brain
[10:35] <sebby> your eyes dialate when they should contract
[10:35] <sebby> at least mine do.
[10:35] <bigfoot> how do you know that you have this chemical imbalance in your brain, sebby ?
[10:35] <Xyc0> sebby: um... and what causes mechanical migraines?
[10:35] <sebby> bigfoot, because it's a family trait.
[10:35] <sebby> my sister gets them all the time too.
[10:36] <sebby> my mum had them as well, but she grew out of them.
[10:36] <sebby> Xyc0, mechanical migraine?
[10:36] <Xyc0> What is chemically balanced?
[10:36] <sebby> optical migraine just means vision is affected.
[10:36] <bigfoot> Hello, media-playing people. Do you know how to find out the video codec of movie files?
[10:36] <sebby> chemically balanced means your body is achieving homeostasus.
[10:36] <Xyc0> I love men
[10:36] <Xyc0> am I chemicaly ballanced now?
[10:37] <sebby> Good fro you. Want a cookie?
[10:37] <bigfoot> Xyc0, are you a woman?
[10:37] <Xyc0> Nah
[10:37] <sebby> can't be. women don't use nix.
[10:37] <Xyc0> just trying to be chemically ballanced
[10:37] <Xyc0> My gf usues linux
[10:37] <sebby> homeostasis is not homosexual.
[10:37] <bigfoot> sebby, I hope to get my future wife using whatever OS/distro I'm using.
[10:37] <Trixsey> Xyc0,  help me!!
[10:37] <sebby> and quit trolling.
[10:38] <Trixsey> :'(
[10:38] <bigfoot> who's trolling?
[10:38] <sebby> bigfoot,  that'd be nice. my ex was pretty pc savvy. too bad she's stupid in other ways though.
[10:38] <Xyc0> Trixsey: sudo killall OSS
[10:38] <sebby> bigfoot,  Xyc0 .
[10:38] <Trixsey> returns "no process killed"
[10:38] <Xyc0> lol I made that up
[10:38] <Trixsey> lol
[10:39] <Trixsey> fuck I hate linux
[10:39] <sebby> yes because dishonesty is um. helpful. and stuff.
[10:39] <Trixsey> been having probs with the sound like 100 times now
[10:39] <Xyc0> whats the command to show all active processses
[10:39] <Trixsey> pstree -p
[10:40] <Trixsey> is it not?
[10:40] <Xyc0> that it is
[10:40] <Trixsey> :p
[10:40] <Xyc0> i was trying to remeber a nother one tho
[10:40] <Xyc0> sebby: I was not dishonest, I was leaping in the dark
[10:42] <Trixsey> Xyc0, how do I remove a process from "autostart"?
[10:43] <Xyc0> System > Pref > Sessions
[10:43] <Xyc0> Startup Programs Tab
[10:43] <Xyc0> or current session
[10:44] <Xyc0> Trixsey: Sorry I can't help more, gtg
[10:45] <Xyc0> hopefully someone else will WAKE UP AND HELP!
[10:45] <Xyc0> :D
[10:45] <dooglus> Trixsey: hi.
[10:45] <dooglus> you still needing help?
[10:49] <Trixsey> dooglus, heya :)
[10:49] <Trixsey> yeah
[10:49] <dooglus> so what do you want help with?
[10:49] <ACEa> is there any "unstable" package of the upcomming modular xorg release (7.0) ?
[10:49] <Trixsey> If you have time, I'd love some help with 1) ALSA vs OSS 2) Valknut (DC++ for Linux)
[10:50] <dooglus> I always use ALSA, but I can't remember why.
[10:50] <dooglus> and I use bittorrent, not DC++.  Azureus is very good (if you don't mind installing Sun's Java VM)
[10:51] <Trixsey> lets talk in PM :)
[10:51] <sebby> hey ubuntu doesnt recognise my laptop battery
[10:51] <sebby> anyone have any ideas/tricks/pages to assist?
[10:51] <kvidell> uh.. what do you mean by recognize it?
[10:52] <sebby> 'system is runnign on AC power' no battery present
[10:52] <ACEa> kernel problem then
[10:52] <sebby> um, ok
[10:52] <sebby> (yeah, this is whilst running on battery)
[10:52] <sebby> so what do i need then?
[10:52] <lordmyren> how do i move the mouse with the keyboard?
[10:53] <lordmyren> something about control-shift numlock, but i'm not getting it.
[10:53] <sebby> pick it up and push the mouse wtih the edge of the board
[10:53] <bigfoot> When downloading a file from the internet, the date of [creation/modification]  is the date it was downloaded right? Or is it the date that the creator made the file?
[10:53] <kvidell> nice sebby :-P
[10:53] <bigfoot> sebby, smart aleck 8-)
[10:54] <bigfoot> that's what momma used to call me 8-)
[10:54] <ACEa> sebby dono, doesn't own a laptop yet.. dam Dell for beeing so slow
[10:56] <ACEa> isn't battery status handled via acpi or apm ?
[10:56] <Madpilot> bigfoot: date of download, AFAIK.
[10:56] <bigfoot> thank you, Madpilot .
[10:57] <Madpilot> bigfoot: although just to complicate things, I have seen some archiving formats that seem to preserve date of creation/last modification, not your download date.
[10:58] <Madpilot> bigfoot: that really screws up "sort by date" in filemanagers...
[10:58] <bigfoot> Madpilot, so you mean the archive that was downloaded has the "download date", but the files archived inside have the creation/last modification date, is this what you're saying?
[10:59] <Madpilot> bigfoot: yeah, I think I've run into that a few times. not at all common tho!
[11:00] <Madpilot> bigfoot: I *think* it happens with split files - that you download in multi parts then re-assemble.
[11:01] <Madpilot> bigfoot: but I shouldn't be trying to think on my third beer of a very long day... ;)
[11:01] <bigfoot> Madpilot, take it easy.
[11:01] <bigfoot> 8)
[11:01] <sebby> ACEa, i thought battery power was by apci, yeah.
[11:01] <sebby> but nfi.
[11:02] <Chislon> do i set up all my partitions before running the ubuntu install, or do i just resize the windows one?
[11:02] <Madpilot> bigfoot: np, now that my comp is working again - damn all hardware, anyway - I'm taking it very easy. good beer helps...
[11:02] <ACEa> Chislon you can create your partition durin installation if you got room for them
[11:03] <Chislon> ok, thank you ACEa
[11:03] <sebby> heh aww
[11:03] <sebby> i cant get weather
[11:03] <ACEa> sebby break weather? ;)
[11:03] <sebby> no forecast for my area. :<
[11:04] <sebby> for the gnome weather applet thingy
[11:04] <sebby> which sucks.
[11:04] <sebby> cpufreq doesnt work either
[11:04] <sebby> i'd like that to work soon
[11:04] <sebby> when i fix the battery and stuff
[11:05] <mz2> when i compile the kernel with make-kpkg --stem linux --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image, does that also compile the restricted modules?
[11:05] <Madpilot> sebby: where do you live that the weather thingie doesn't cover?
[11:05] <ACEa> sebby I had to change the xml-file containing locations so my nearest airport was added, I have 2 in my town
[11:05] <fabbione> mz2: no. l-r-m is another source package
[11:05] <sebby> Madpilot,  queensland, australia
[11:06] <mz2> fabbione, so how'd i add those to the sources?
[11:06] <sebby> Madpilot,  maybe i havent set it up right or something
[11:06] <sebby> it just says CITY: DEFAULT_LOCATION
[11:06] <fabbione> mz2: you can't do it directly. you need to apt-get source linux-restricted-modules-<whatever_version_is_your_archive>
[11:06] <fabbione> and rebuild them
[11:07] <Madpilot> sebby: right click on the icon thing on your toolbar, select "Preferences"
[11:07] <Fanskapet> agh... now i know why i left for BeOS last time i've run Linux..
[11:07] <Fanskapet> my wlan has stopped working.. by no reason... *sigh*
[11:07] <Madpilot> sebby: the 2nd tab is "Location" - it looks like there's about 15 locations in Queensland for you
[11:07] <Fanskapet> well well time to reinstall ndiswrapper then
[11:08] <Fanskapet> modprobe ndiswrapper
[11:08] <Fanskapet> agh.
[11:08] <ACEa> Fanskapet is BeOS still alive?
[11:08] <Fanskapet> :)
[11:09] <christos> hello, i open fonts:/// but i can't copy anything in there - perhaps because i m not root
[11:09] <Fanskapet> ACEa, hmm well depends.. www.haiku-os.org
[11:09] <shadeofgrey> okay guys i need help
[11:09] <Fanskapet> ACEa, www.yellowtab.com
[11:09] <Fanskapet> hm
[11:09] <Chislon> anyone here that knows about windows?
[11:09] <shadeofgrey> every time i try to use graveman to burn CD's - burn process fails.  every time i use the nautilus CD burning program to make CD's, they execute properly but then arent readable by windows at all
[11:09] <shadeofgrey> what do i do???
[11:10] <linukso> Chislon: I've heard about it...
[11:10] <Chislon> currently i have my windows partition, then after it there is about 8mb of "free space" when i shrink windows to make room for ubuntu, then that free sapce becomes bigger, but that 8 mb of freespace is neccesary info for windows to start... so how do i keep that and not have ubuntu mess it up?
[11:10] <Fanskapet> root@ferrari-racer:~# ndiswrapper -m
[11:10] <Fanskapet> modprobe config already contains alias directive
[11:10] <Fanskapet> but modprobe ndiswrapper fails for me!!
[11:10] <Fanskapet> agh..
[11:11] <christos> guys fonts:///
[11:11] <Chameleon22> i have noticed that after I lock the screen and live my machine unattended for a while it logs me out... is there a reason to that. Its freaking annoying!
[11:11] <christos> i can't write in it
[11:11] <linukso> ACEa: http://open-beos.sourceforge.net/news.php and http://www.haiku-os.org/learn.php
[11:11] <sebby> yay, it works
[11:11] <sebby> thanks Madpilot
[11:12] <Fanskapet> lifeless, i have allready pasted that url a couple of rows up you know :)
[11:12] <lifeless> Fanskapet: ??
[11:12] <Madpilot> sebby: no prob. I like the gnome weather thing... never used any of the Windows weather thingies because they all seemed to be just spyware vehicles...
[11:12] <linukso> christos: no, thats correct, but put your personal fonts in ~/.fonts
[11:12] <Fanskapet> linukso even
[11:13] <Trixsey> dooglus, I think it worked :D
[11:13] <dooglus> good-o
[11:13] <linukso> Fanskapet: never look back... :)
[11:13] <Fanskapet> still BeOS doesn't work too good on my beloved Acer laptop
[11:13] <sebby> Madpilot, yeah, which is why i suddenly went "oh, a probably-real weather thingy, yay!"
[11:13] <Fanskapet> my Ferrari racer :)
[11:13] <stijn> someone with a bit laptop + Linux experience
[11:14] <Fanskapet> hmm depends.. what do you have a problem with?
[11:14] <stijn> well
[11:14] <Madpilot> sebby: heh, me too. my grandfather installed some weather thing on his Win98 machine, took me forever to get rid of the d*mn sypware that came with :(
[11:14] <stijn> i think
[11:15] <stijn> power management
[11:15] <stijn> my fan keeps turning
[11:15] <stijn> it never stops
[11:15] <Fanskapet> ahh read some about that problem somewhere on the forum.
[11:15] <Fanskapet> but i've neved had that problem.. the configuration files for my lappie seems to work.
[11:15] <Fanskapet> sorry :/
[11:15] <stijn> yeah i googled it a bit
[11:15] <Madpilot> sebby: install "Fish" as well, trust me. It will give your day a needed dose of harmless wierdness!
[11:16] <stijn> it's gone now Fanskapet i only had it yesterday evening
[11:16] <sebby> hehe
[11:16] <sebby> i saw that fish before
[11:16] <sebby> strange indeed
[11:16] <Fanskapet> ahh okey just by it self?
[11:16] <Madpilot> Wanda the Fish: proof that some drug users have a Gnome programming habit...
[11:16] <Madpilot> :)
[11:16] <christos> linukso: thanx a lot it worked
[11:17] <stijn> yes it went away by itself :s
[11:17] <linukso> christos: np!
[11:17] <Fanskapet> hmm odd :)
[11:17] <stijn> kinde weird, yesterday it almost got me deaf
[11:17] <Fanskapet> agh.. i will bloody slaughter ndiswrapper at the end of this day!!
[11:18] <stijn> stupid fan kept running
[11:18] <stijn> whats wrong with ndiswrapper
[11:18] <Fanskapet> stopped working just now :)
[11:18] <Fanskapet> and i can't modprobe it anymore :)
[11:18] <stijn> just stopped???
[11:18] <Fanskapet> after some reboots yeh
[11:19] <Fanskapet> hmm gotta try reinstall it and see what happens
[11:19] <stijn> i had some problems with it to
[11:19] <Fanskapet> well i have some big problems with it besides this.
[11:19] <stijn> turns out that i forgot to delete the previous module acx111
[11:19] <stijn> :)
[11:19] <Fanskapet> seems like it doesn't support scanning
[11:19] <Fanskapet> and that's very bad.
[11:19] <stijn> what do u mean with scanning?
[11:19] <stijn> port scanning?
[11:19] <Gog> what's a better replacement terminal than gnome-terminal ?
[11:19] <Fanskapet> no hotspot scanning
[11:19] <stijn> yeah true
[11:20] <stijn> you have to put in the name of the spot
[11:20] <Fanskapet> i read something about that.. i've think it was the kernel that didn't have support for it.
[11:20] <stijn> :)
[11:20] <stijn> there was a script for that i thought
[11:20] <stijn> hold on
[11:21] <linukso> Gog: rxvt-unicode
[11:21] <sebby> lol um this doesnt look good
[11:21] <sebby> i just went apt-get install aptitude-
[11:22] <sebby> and it said 'packages will be removed:
[11:22] <Gog> linukso: ta. I'll have a look
[11:22] <sebby> aptitude ubuntu-base
[11:22] <sebby> lol i really dont think i should uninstall ubuntu-base :/
[11:22] <dooglus> me too, sebby
[11:22] <sebby> how do i stop it
[11:22] <xskoulax> anyone here running A8N-SLI Deluxe?
[11:22] <Fanskapet> stijn, okey... well one of the worst parts of using linux on the laptops is that not a single one of the wmanagers seem to got a good GUI for handeling wlan hotspots
[11:23] <Fanskapet> that's very handy to have on a laptop
[11:23] <stijn> it's another kind of script Fanskapet it's one where you put all your known spots in and linux auto picks the one in reach
[11:23] <sebby> Fanskapet, what do you mean by that
[11:23] <sebby> i havent even got my wireless going yet
[11:23] <Fanskapet> stijn, dcc it too me.
[11:23] <stijn> what wmanager do u use Fanskapet
[11:24] <sebby> my laptop has a wireless killswitch, still working out how to set that all up.
[11:24] <stijn> it is on the ubuntu wiki
[11:24] <Fanskapet> Gnome at the moment.
[11:24] <Fanskapet> but i have XFCE aswell
[11:24] <linukso> hmm, my wlan card works better in gnu/linux than windows...
[11:24] <stijn> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto -> somewhere in the middle
[11:25] <stijn> pfff i can't see how good my signal is, it allways displays 100%
[11:25] <stijn> :)))
[11:25] <Madpilot> good night, all. (morning, technically, but WTF...) see you all later...
[11:25] <Fanskapet> ahh thanks :)
[11:26] <stijn> Fanskapet, was that script of any help
[11:26] <Fanskapet> gotta install ndiswrapper first :)
[11:26] <Fanskapet> reinstall even
[11:27] <Fanskapet> stijn,  are you running that RC version of ndiswrapper?
[11:27] <Fanskapet> or are you on 32bit ubuntu?
[11:27] <stijn> 32
[11:27] <Fanskapet> ahh okey
[11:27] <stijn> laptop hasn't got 64 bit :)
[11:27] <Fanskapet> well mine has :)
[11:28] <sebby> um guys
[11:28] <sebby> i cant access -anything- on the administration panel
[11:28] <sebby> :<
[11:28] <sebby> i keep getting the same dumbass error
[11:28] <sebby> child terminated with status -1
[11:28] <sebby> whatever the f** that means
[11:29] <Trixsey> Hey guys
[11:29] <sebby> wierd okay so it doesnt work on the menu
[11:29] <Trixsey> I have this wierd problem with Ubuntu
[11:29] <Trixsey> I set my clock in Ubuntu
[11:29] <sebby> but if i go gksu network-admin it does
[11:29] <Trixsey> My BIOS clock keeps changing back to an incorrect time
[11:29] <Trixsey> :p
[11:29] <Trixsey> Very disturbing, since I have an LCD in my chassi.. telling me what time it is
[11:29] <Trixsey> lol
[11:29] <mz2> how do i check which package provides a certain file?
[11:30] <Fanskapet> agh.. now where do XP64 keep it's drivers? :)
[11:30] <stijn> Fanskapet, http://users.telenet.be/stijndg/Schermafdruk-Verbindingseigenschappenwlan0.jpg look at that :)
[11:30] <stijn> i can't even see my signal strenght :))
[11:30] <linukso> mz2: dpkg-query --help
[11:31] <Fanskapet> stijn, ah well i haven't been connected to a real wlan network in linux yet but i assume that i won't see it either.
[11:31] <mz2> linukso, thanks
[11:31] <Fanskapet> hmm anyone know in which folder Windows keeps it's drivers?
[11:31] <stijn> i thought the same thing Fanskapet but i got it working anyway after 2 days
[11:31] <stijn> :)
[11:32] <Fanskapet> ahh Rythmbox is kinda nice really
[11:32] <Fanskapet> when you add mp3 support :)
[11:33] <Gog> can gam_server be killed/restarted/hup'ed on a running system, or will it kill things?
[11:33] <pepsi> gam_server pisses me off sometimes
[11:34] <pepsi> it uses the whole processor and killing/hup'ing it doesnt do shit
[11:34] <Gog> when it's stuck in a lopp you mean? :)
[11:34] <pepsi> yeah
[11:34] <corza> Hey anyone know much bout video cards i need to know whether my driver is.. Graphics Drivers or Nforce..
[11:34] <Gog> pepsi: any way you know to free it other than restarting X ?
[11:34] <pepsi> Gog, nope :/
[11:34] <Gog> ok, thanks
[11:34] <pepsi> at least you dont have to restart
[11:35] <pepsi> the computer that is
[11:35] <Gog> nod
[11:35] <Gog> between this and gnome-terminal, I'm not having a nice morning
[11:36] <Fanskapet> stijn, you know where windows stores it's drivers? trying to find the wlan driver XP64 uses.
[11:36] <corza> Hey anyone know much bout video cards i need to know whether my driver is.. Graphics Drivers or Nforce.... i Have a Nvidia 6200
[11:36] <Choubaka> Graphics drivers.
[11:36] <Choubaka> Nforce is for the motherboard I think.
[11:36] <pepsi> nforce is nvidia's chipset
[11:36] <pepsi> yeah for a motherboard
[11:36] <corza> hmm the only reason i wasnt sure was because in windows it needed nforce.. u might be right
[11:37] <corza> yeah it is too
[11:37] <corza> lol
[11:37] <corza> stupid nvidia & windows
[11:37] <pepsi> do you have an nforce motherboard?
[11:38] <corza> pepsi no
[11:38] <sebby> sebby@sebby:~$ gksudo synaptic
[11:38] <sebby> postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory
[11:38] <sebby> sebby@sebby:~$
[11:38] <sebby> whats this all about :/
[11:38] <corza> windows is just stupid
[11:38] <pepsi> its the man with the golden eyeball!
[11:39] <kvidell> pepsi: Are you watching Sin City? :-P
[11:39] <pepsi> no
[11:39] <kvidell> Actually I think I recognize that from something else...
[11:40] <kvidell> a song? Jurassic Five?
[11:40] <Fanskapet> hmm maybe DriveLoader works better than ndiswrapper
[11:40] <pepsi> a song, but i dunno what it is
[11:40] <kvidell> oh.. hm.
[11:40] <pepsi> i just found it on a cd i burned years ago
[11:40] <kvidell> or no.. Backini?
[11:40] <kvidell> Crap... Now I'm going to go insane until I remember
[11:41] <pepsi> its a stupid song.. a bunch of sound clips
[11:41] <pepsi> frontier psychiatrist maybe
[11:41] <kvidell> Oh!
[11:41] <kvidell> There it is
[11:41] <voth> can someone give me an example of how to use mkfs using ext3
[11:41] <kvidell> Yea
[11:41] <kvidell> Avalanches - Frontier Psychiatry
[11:41] <kvidell> Psychiatrist*
[11:41] <kvidell> Bleh. I knew it was on Epiphany Radio at one point :)
[11:42] <linukso> voth: mkfs.ext3 /dev/you_disk
[11:42] <voth> thanks
[11:43] <Fanskapet> ah well gotta reboot and find those drivers.
[11:43] <Fanskapet> bbl
[11:44] <Murlocdundee> hello ubuntu people
[11:44] <Trixsey> yay! :D hello :)
[11:44] <Murlocdundee> Trixsey: hi
[11:44] <Trixsey> Hey guys! I have a wierd problem! I changed time with a few hours in both Ubuntu and BIOS... And I haveVery disturbing, since I have an LCD in my chassi.. telling me what time it is
[11:44] <Vurdak> people
[11:44] <Trixsey> oops
[11:44] <Vurdak> can you smile?
[11:45] <Vurdak> i'm doing a screenshot?
[11:45] <Vurdak> ops
[11:45] <Vurdak> i'm doing a screenshot!
[11:45] <Vurdak> :D
[11:45] <Trixsey> LOL :D
[11:45] <Murlocdundee> :-)
[11:45] <pepsi> d:*(_)_)
[11:45] <xskoulax> :)
[11:45] <Murlocdundee> hey where can I find the ubuntu' website plone skin to download ?
[11:45] <Trixsey> Hey guys! I have a wierd problem! I changed time with a few hours in both Ubuntu and BIOS... But the BIOS clock goes back to the old time @ reboot... And I find this very disturbing, since I have an LCD in my chassi.. telling me what time it is
[11:45] <voth> is there a nice and simple way to setup a fw hdd under ubuntu?
[11:45] <Vurdak> fantastic :D
[11:45] <Vurdak> thx :)
[11:46] <linukso> voth: firewire?
[11:46] <Chislon> i cant find a free partitioner that will resize my windows drive... how do i do i resize it?
[11:46] <voth> yes, firewire
[11:46] <Murlocdundee> Guys i need that awesome skin your community website is based on
[11:46] <voth> it's labeled as sda1 under /dev
[11:47] <Trixsey> Help me :(
[11:47] <Murlocdundee> WHo is your leader ?
[11:47] <Murlocdundee> :-)
[11:47] <voth> Hilary Rodam Clinton maybe
[11:47] <Murlocdundee> lol
[11:47] <Choubaka> voth: sudo mount /dev/sda1 -t fstype /mountpoint :P
[11:47] <Murlocdundee> Choubaka: woooy
[11:47] <linukso> voth: sudo mkdir /media/fwdisk && sudo mount -t fstype /dev/sda1 /media/fwdisk
[11:47] <voth> Choubaka, it's already mounted actually
[11:48] <Choubaka> aha.
[11:48] <Choubaka> well, what's the problem then?
[11:48] <linukso> voth: strange hotplug didn't pick that up...
[11:48] <voth> for some reason Ubuntu saw it at install.
[11:48] <Trixsey> You guys know how to change GDM theme?
[11:48] <voth> labeled it as 'Local Disk' and is set to read only
[11:48] <linukso> voth: then what is the problem
[11:48] <Choubaka> Trixsey: run gdmsetup
[11:48] <Choubaka> or gdmconfig or something
[11:48] <goo> Are the person responsible for the xchat packages in the backports repo http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ here today? He forgot to add Python plugin support...
[11:49] <thenuke> haha :D
[11:49] <thenuke> \o/ GREETINGS FROM FINLAND!
[11:49] <Choubaka> :D
[11:49] <linukso> voth: whats the name of the mountpoint?
[11:49] <Choubaka> thenuke: What inspired this sudden outburst?
[11:49] <linukso> voth: you migth have to change an udev rule...
[11:50] <voth> when you say mountpoint are you referring to /dev/sda1 or /media
[11:50] <Choubaka>  just some directory
[11:50] <linukso> voth: media
[11:50] <Choubaka> it can be anything. :)
[11:50] <Choubaka> preferably an _empty_ directory.
[11:50] <voth> in /media it's labeled as Local Disk
[11:51] <voth> with the space
[11:51] <linukso> and only root has write access, hmm
[11:51] <voth> it was a former windows partitioned drive...well technically still is it seems.
[11:51] <thenuke> Choubaka: Vurdak asked if we can smile because he is doing a screenshot
[11:52] <linukso> voth: ah, is it ntfs or fat?
[11:52] <voth> ntfs
[11:52] <voth> i tried killing the partition under fdisk
[11:52] <linukso> voth: think ntfs partitions are ro by default
[11:53] <voth> it's actaully voth voth with drx permissions
[11:53] <Choubaka> thenuke: Aha. :D
[11:53] <linukso> voth: if you want to reformat the disk you have to run "sudo umount /media/local\ disk && sudo fdisk /dev/sda1", create you partition and run "sudo mkfs.you_fs_of_choice"
[11:54] <Choubaka> linukso: no
[11:54] <Choubaka>  /dev/sda1 is already a partition
[11:54] <Choubaka> the disk is /dev/sda
[11:54] <linukso> ah, sorry, thanks Choubaka
[11:54] <linukso> Choubaka: any other erros?
[11:55] <linukso> arg, errors?
[11:55] <linukso> voth: but if you want to keep it ntfs you might find some info in the wiki
[11:55] <Choubaka> well, "sudo mkfs.fs /dev/partition" :P
[11:56] <Mordak> hi, I just don't get ubuntu-5.04-dvd-i386.iso via torrent. Are all servers down?
[11:58] <Mordak> I wanted to dl the DVD cause the installation hangs at APT-Configuration 25%, and google says that means ubuntu doesn't get internet-access to the apt-sources. so I dicided to dl the DVD
[12:00] <Mordak> but access to www works. tested a wget (ping was not available?!?). so what's the problem for the installer?
[12:02] <Deanodriver> hi
[12:03] <Deanodriver> is there an alt-tab equivalent in gnome?
[12:03] <Deanodriver> (i'm playing q3a, it's screwing up, but I'm unable to kill it)
[12:03] <sebby> um
[12:03] <Deanodriver> since the mouse cursor is part of the game screen only
[12:03] <sebby> alt-tab works for me hah
[12:04] <Deanodriver> ah
[12:04] <Deanodriver> doesn't seem to when q3a crashes, is all
[12:08] <Deanodriver> hmm
[12:08] <Deanodriver> still trying to get q3a running with sound
[12:08] <Deanodriver> tried what was said on here - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10898 - however whenever I start an actual game, it freezes
[12:10] <sebby> how can ifind out what wireless card/chipset i have
[12:12] <linukso> does anyone here know if there exist an program for redirecting audio output to another machine over an tcp/udp conneciton?
[12:12] <linukso> sebby: hal-device-manager
[12:12] <sebby> ta
[12:14] <sebby> okay its a pro-wireless 2200BG
[12:14] <sebby> obviously intel
[12:14] <senectus> why is it that kopete on my laptop will authenticate fine but on my desktop it says wrong password (I have checked, double checked, triple checked and more. It's not wrong)
[12:14] <sebby> how can i find what chipset they use tho.. or do intel make thier own wireless chipset?
[12:14] <sebby> i wanted to see if i could get airsnort running on this box
[12:15] <bob2> sebby: intel makes it, the driver is called ipw2200
[12:15] <bob2> sebby: ipw2100 (the b version) certainly supports airsnort
[12:16] <sebby> oh, awesome :D
[12:16] <Fanskapet> hmm
[12:17] <sebby> bob2, do you know much about setting up the ipw range of wifi cards?
[12:18] <sebby> i have a button on my laptop which is a killswitch for the wifi, it doesn't work since I installed linux, so i'm not sure if i need special drivers or something
[12:18] <bob2> there's nothing to do
[12:18] <bob2> you configure the essied and it works
[12:18] <bob2> that depends on the hardware
[12:18] <sebby> i see.
[12:18] <bob2> it works on my x40, but doesn't on many other laptops
[12:19] <sebby> *nod*
[12:19] <sebby> Well in terms of battery
[12:19] <sebby> if i set the device down it's just as if the killswitch was on, yeah?
[12:19] <bob2> hmm
[12:19] <bob2> unfortunately not
[12:19] <sebby> Bugger.
[12:19] <sebby> so that button is for windows only, me guesses.
[12:19] <bob2> but
[12:19] <bob2> you can disable it from software
[12:20] <bob2> echo 1 >> /sys/bus/pci/drivers/ipw2100/0000:02:02.0/rf_kill
[12:20] <bob2> you'll need to change that to ipw2200
[12:20] <bob2> and use the correct busid bit
[12:20] <bob2> but it should do exactly what the button would
[12:20] <Fanskap> hmm doesn't the wlan killswitch work in linux? what kind of laptop do you got? doesn't it disable it hardware-wise?
[12:20] <sebby> Ok
[12:21] <bob2> Fanskap: at least some of them seem to send acpi events, which the kernel is supposed to deal with
[12:21] <sebby> Fanskap, the killswitch would blink in windows when you press it, until it found a network then it'd stay on soid
[12:21] <Fanskap> hmm okey..
[12:21] <sebby> now it doesnt do anything, and even ubuntu said that i had to set it up manually because it had a killswitch stopping it
[12:21] <bob2> "ubuntu" said that?
[12:21] <sebby> yeah.
[12:21] <sebby> in install
[12:21] <kamme> question, I want to boot with a frame buffer, but the biggerst I can get is 80x60. I edited the grub config file and added the vga=xxx line...
[12:21] <sebby> it goes 'can't setup this network device because it appears it is disabled by a killswitch' bla bla
[12:21] <bob2> oh, cool
[12:21] <kamme> is there any way to get a higher resolution?
[12:22] <bob2> I didn't know it could do that
[12:22] <bob2> kamme: why not use X?
[12:22] <bob2> sebby: that's a different matter then.  what kinda of laptop is it?
[12:22] <kamme> bob2, low end machine ;)
[12:22] <sebby> ECS G220 or an ITC Ultraport 1960
[12:22] <sebby> take your pick :)
[12:23] <sebby> btw, under keyboard shortcuts i can map the mail/web buttons but the camera/wifi buttons dont get picked up so perhaps it is handled by something else...
[12:24] <scorpix_> is there any good photo editor?
[12:24] <linukso> gimp
[12:25] <xabbu> scorpix_, no  not really, but Gimp is as close as you get
[12:25] <scorpix_> ok thanx
[12:27] <xabbu> damn...
[12:49] (refuze2looze/#ubuntu) is there really a point to having a virus scanner on linux other than for detecing windows viruses?
[12:49] <CoRzA> It didnt work
[12:49] <CoRzA> I still cannot log in
[12:50] <sebby_> postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory
[12:50] <sebby_>  I am gettting this error left right and center
[12:50] <bob2> Murlocdundee: well, I imagine it's not Freely available, but try emailing the webmaster
[12:50] <sebby_> its stopping me from opening anything on the administration menu...
[12:50] <bob2> refuze2looze: no
[12:50] <drasko> how to disable Alt-Tab, and Control+Alt+Backspace etc.
[12:50] <CoRzA> bob2 and linukso it didnt work
[12:50] <bob2> CoRzA: then undo whatever you did
[12:50] <bob2> CoRzA: it's really silly to change things you don't understand without either keepign track or backing things up
[12:51] <MyNameIsChris> Who knows what version xorg Hoary ships with
[12:51] <signius> i run both windows and *nix on my LAN
[12:51] <CoRzA> :(
[12:51] <bob2> CoRzA: if you really have no idea, remove the files you installed (presumably nvidia.ko) and then do this in the terminal: "sudo dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xorg ; sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg"
[12:51] <refuze2looze> bob2: hehe, didnt think so
[12:51] <bob2> MyNameIsChris: http://packages.ubuntu.com/xserver-xorg
[12:52] <MyNameIsChris> Cheers
[12:53] <MyNameIsChris> Cool, I shall download the Ati rpm, Alien it, and hopefully not die
[12:53] <bob2> MyNameIsChris: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:53] <bob2> I'd strongly recommend not using random other drivers
[12:53] <MyNameIsChris> bob2, my own kernel. Sorry and Thanks
[12:53] <bob2> eep
[12:54] <refuze2looze> MyNameIsChris: using binary drivers compiled for other distributions have  a slim chance of working
[12:54] <shadeofgrey> hey guys
[12:55] <MyNameIsChris> refuze2looze, but it is compiled for all POSIX OS. It can't hurt to try, right? I am screwed aren't I?
[12:55] <shadeofgrey> can any of you take a minute and look at some warnings i get when i run K3B?  It gives these errors but still runs, and burns CD's fine
[12:56] <MyNameIsChris> Well I have to go, pray for me all
[12:56] <shadeofgrey> it just doesnt show any icons anywhere in my applications menu and has to be startedwith a commandline
[12:56] <bob2> shadeofgrey: try #kubuntu
[12:56] <xukun> bob2, did you used or still use other distro other than debian?
[12:57] <refuze2looze> MyNameIsChris: what happened? you installed a different version of the kernel?
[12:58] <refuze2looze> oh he's gone
[12:58] <bob2> xukun: have used redhat and mandrake back in the day, and freebsd and solaris
[12:58] <refuze2looze> how can something be compiled for all POSIX OS in one binary? that's impossible
[12:58] <bob2> it's not
[12:58] <refuze2looze> bob2: one binary can run on all posix os??
[12:58] <bob2> it will work on a bunch of kernels, tho, because it has a "source" layer around the binary blob
[12:58] <bob2> refuze2looze: no
[12:59] <linukso> can a posix bin run on different archs?
[12:59] <refuze2looze> so why did you say it is possible a second ago =)
[12:59] <bob2> I didn't say it's possible
[12:59] <corza> bob2: i did what you said and its still not working..
[12:59] <refuze2looze> bob2: oh, maybe you were talking to somebody else
[12:59] <bob2> you said "how can something be compiled ..." and I said "it's not"
[12:59] <bob2> I didn't see the "that's impossible"
[01:00] <corza> bob2: possibly it wasnt the nvidia driver that set it off :?
[01:00] <bob2> corza: then undo whatever else you did
[01:00] <refuze2looze> bob2: ah, misinterpretation
[01:00] <bob2> corza: I have no idea, you didn't tell us everything you did
[01:00] <corza> the only other thing i done was installed cedega
[01:00] <bob2> linukso: not different cpu architectures (well, you could use qemu), but linux binaries can run on freebsd, for instance
[01:00] <_Church_of_FoamY> hey bob2 i wanna buy a laptop (used hopefully) to put ubuntu on any suggestions?
[01:00] <corza> how would i remove that? i have ubuntu open on my other computer
[01:01] <bob2> _Church_of_FoamY: g3 ibook's are nice
[01:01] <linukso> bob2: ok, what i thought...
[01:01] <bob2> corza: it's very unlikely cedega is making it impossible to login
[01:01] <_Church_of_FoamY> cool i like the look of the ibok ^_^
[01:01] <bob2> _Church_of_FoamY: depends how much you want to spend
[01:01] <_Church_of_FoamY> around 2-300
[01:01] <bob2> USD?
[01:01] <_Church_of_FoamY> yup
[01:02] <bob2> I don't know how much they are, but a g3 ibook with >= 256mb of ram would be nice
[01:02] <corza> bob2: hmm.. i'm not too sure what else could have done it
[01:02] <bob2> ram will be the real issue for 2-300, I guess
[01:02] <lordmyren> _Church_of_FoamY: haha!  what a name.
[01:02] <_Church_of_FoamY> the colledge up here sells there ibm thinkpads at the end of the year
[01:02] <bob2> thinkpads are nice, too
[01:02] <bob2> generally good linux support
[01:02] <_Church_of_FoamY> hey don't mess with me or you'll feel my squirlly rath! ^_^
[01:03] <_Church_of_FoamY> www.illwillpress.com <---click on cartoons
[01:04] <_Church_of_FoamY> has anyone gotten x-fire to run in linux
[01:04] <_Church_of_FoamY> that link is where i got my name from lol
[01:06] <Madeye> hi
[01:06] <Madeye> guys How to grep 2 data in same command line ?
[01:06] <raDeon> Madeye, easy
[01:06] <Madeye> I have tried "whois yahoo.com | grep Expiration | grep NameServers
[01:06] <Madeye> but didnt work
[01:06] <raDeon> Madeye, that's because you're doing it wrong.
[01:07] <Madeye> and whats the correct
[01:07] <raDeon> i don't know, but someone here does.
[01:07] <sebby_> hah.
[01:07] <Madeye> lol
[01:07] <ptlo> Madeye: you want to grep for either 'Expiration' or 'NameServers' words, right?
[01:07] <Madeye> ptlo,  both
[01:08] <ptlo> Madeye: then your line is correct
[01:08] <Madeye> ptlo,  and whast the correct?
[01:08] <Madeye> ops
[01:09] <Madeye> lol
[01:09] <corza> okay well what happens is it shows the login screen.. I login.. then after i've logged in it goes to the next screen.. just shows the cursor.. screen then refreshes (flickers black) and then goes back to the login screen any ideas?
[01:09] <sebby_> can someone please explain this error? its stopping me getting into anything on the administration menu... sebby@sebby:~$ gksudo network-admin
[01:09] <sebby_> sebby is not in sebby@sebby:~$
[01:09] <refuze2looze> can i force umount if drive is busy?
[01:09] <sebby_> refuze2looze, man umount
[01:09] <sebby_> i beleve its umount -f tho.
[01:09] <drasko> how to disable Alt-Tab, and Control+Alt+Backspace etc.
[01:09] <Madeye> ptlo,  not working, when I use same syntax with only one grep it works
[01:10] <ptlo> Madeye,try this: whois yahoo.com | grep 'Expiration\|NameServers'
[01:10] <refuze2looze> sebby: yes i read the man. the only option i see is -f which is only for an unreachable nfs filesystem, not to forcefully unmount a busy drive
[01:11] <ompaul> Madeye, do whois yahoo.com and then tell us which fields you really want
[01:11] <ompaul> Madeye, is it domain servers -
[01:11] <Madeye> ptlo,  jad@madi:~/ssh $  whois yahoo.com | grep 'Expiration\|NameServers'
[01:11] <Madeye>    Expiration Date: 19-jan-2012
[01:11] <Madeye> jad@madi:~/ssh $
[01:11] <corza> okay well what happens is it shows the login screen.. I login.. then after i've logged in it goes to the next screen.. just shows the cursor.. screen then refreshes (flickers black) and then goes back to the login screen any ideas?
[01:11] <mz2> how do i compile the linux-restricted-modules source package?
[01:11] <ptlo> Madeye, yup, that's it, there's no 'NameServers' string in that output at all, anyways
[01:11] <Madeye> ompaul, i know, i'm just trying to finish my script which will get domains I own from a txt file and check expireation and ns regulary
[01:12] <ompaul> madeye so it is domain servers - do you use a standard like ns?\. for each nameserver ?
[01:13] <ompaul> Madeye, actually forget that
[01:13] <Madeye> ptlo,  how to grep such output Name Servers:
[01:13] <Madeye> with spaces ?
[01:13] <ptlo> Madeye: grep 'Name Servers' ...
[01:14] <niooi_OQP> hello people
[01:14] <signius> nickserv /help
[01:15] <niooi_OQP> is there a second iso for ubuntu? I need to have the build-essential package with all its libraries. I guess it is not on the install CD and I need to get a second CD in that case.
[01:15] <ompaul> Madeye,  whois yahoo.com | grep -i 'expiration\|name\ server'
[01:15] <ptlo> Madeye: grep uses a 'regular expression' to specify the search criteria. they're very powerful (you can combina and/or search, wildcards etc...), and you can find a regex tutorial at http://www.regular-expressions.info/tutorial.html
[01:15] <niooi> I do not have a connection to internet for that computer that is why I need it.
[01:16] <|Ivanch0|> enasss
[01:16] <Celos> there is french user here ?
[01:16] <floater> Hello. How can I test my audio if it works or not? I don't have network so I can't connect to internet and can't update windows media audio nor mp3 support at this time to my kubuntu
[01:17] <Celos> Is there french users here who can help me ?
[01:17] <bob2> floater: aplay /usr/share/sounds/gaim/leave.wav
[01:17] <bob2> Celos: #ubuntu-fr
[01:17] <Celos> thx
[01:17] <floater> :) thanks, I'll check that in some time. Can't do it right now but i'll try it when I can
[01:18] <ompaul> Celos, is it the dvd from Linux CD #13 ? I had problems with that
[01:18] <ompaul> Celos, I installed server and then did apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:19] <ompaul> Celos DVD le magazine des distributions #13, the one with Linux+ is just broken :( and the pratique one is also just badly broken
[01:25] <stjepan> hello
[01:25] <ompaul> hu
[01:26] <ompaul> hi even
[01:26] <stjepan> how much free space do you reccomend for root parition?
[01:26] <bob2> you need 1.8GB for a default ubuntu install
[01:26] <stjepan> what about swap parition?
[01:26] <ompaul> stjepan, and give yourself a bit more than that for development of the system
[01:27] <stjepan> I have 352 MB of RAM
[01:27] <corza> guys.. if i was to reinstall hoary.. without formatting would that be able to fix my problem?
[01:27] <ompaul> stjepan, 2.5 times your ram
[01:27] <ompaul> corza, which problem? I have not been following
[01:27] <corza> or installing the 'base system' im not sure
[01:27] <stjepan> 880MB
[01:28] <ompaul> stjepan, of course you will will get a lot more out of ubuntu if you give it a 10-29 G
[01:28] <corza> ompaul: for some reason my ubuntu lets me login .. but when it logs in.. it just does nothing.. (like shows background) n then it flashes black screen and goes back to login
[01:28] <bob2> 2.5 times your ram is a bit of a silly heuristic
[01:28] <bob2> stjepan: 512MB of swap is plenty
[01:28] <bob2> ompaul: 29GB for / is kinda silly
[01:29] <ompaul> that was supposed to be 20GB I typoed
[01:29] <corza> ompaul??
[01:29] <corza> by reinstalling ubuntu am i able to still keep my files ??
[01:30] <stjepan> bob2: really?
[01:30] <ompaul> corza, only if you have them in a partition that is not going to be written to
[01:30] <stjepan> Dejan Lekic recommends minimum 1 GB
[01:30] <stjepan> :)
[01:30] <corza> argh :(
[01:30] <Chislon> could someone please help me, i followed a guide to installing ubuntu, but now it says missing opersating system, i did the / partition as boot flag on, and like the guide said i said no to installing grub to the master boot record, i installed grub then to the linux / partition, but now it says no operating system found
[01:30] <Chislon> why is some of that stuff in parantheses
[01:30] <thenuke> that 2x or 2.5x ram for swap is most often absolute overkill
[01:31] <corza> so theres no way i can overwrite it without losing my files?
[01:31] <bob2> stjepan: yes
[01:31] <albacker> Chislon, i think you have to install grub at MBR
[01:31] <bob2> stjepan: 352 + 512 = 864MB, which is tons
[01:31] <Chislon> albacker: ok, ill give that a try, thank you
[01:32] <Chislon> albakcer do i still do the / partition as boot flag on?
[01:32] <ompaul> corza, if you have a good connection you could try: apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop; apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:32] <bob2> ompaul: that won't help
[01:32] <bob2> ompaul: it will only remove and reinstall the metapackage ubuntu-desktop
[01:32] <Jug> does anyone know if via unichrome vt8378 graphics card supports overlay?
[01:33] <ompaul> bob2, so I am not having a good day
[01:33] <bob2> heh :-)
[01:33] <ompaul> corza, so just for kicks what kind of video card have you got?
[01:34] <ompaul> corza, if you can use cdrecord and have a CD Burner you could burn off the stuff you need to a CD rom before you start the reinstall
[01:35] <henning_> Hi! Is there anywhere a .tar.gz of the base system for bootstraping in a chroot-environment?
[01:36] <bob2> henning_: use debootstrap
[01:36] <henning_> bob2: I currently only have Debian installed and this debootstrap does not know hoary
[01:37] <bob2> you'll need to get ubuntu's debootstrap then
[01:37] <henning_> I guess this would break my system
[01:39] <Mez> anyone here savvy with xine?
[01:41] <bob2> henning_: no, it'll be fine
[01:41] <ompaul> Mez how savy should one be? what exactly is the question and then maybe someone knows but to declare ones self savy and then not be able to savy to the level you want is not very good :) ohh and btw I know nothing about anything
[01:41] <bob2> Mez: best to just ask your question
[01:42] <corza> ompaul: ive decided to just start all over lol
[01:42] <corza> reinstalling ubuntu now
[01:42] <m0r0n> Does ubuntu support wav-files? I tried to use the command line audio tools "rec" and "play" for recording wavfiles on mic and playing them with play, but I cant hear anything!
[01:42] <ompaul> corza, well install server first and then go and add the full desktop
[01:43] <sebby_> ubuntu supports wave files, yes. lol.
[01:43] <sebby_> perhaps your mixer has the mic turned off.
[01:43] <sebby_> that's usually a default.
[01:43] <corza> doesnt matter i shouldnt stuff it up this time
[01:43] <Mez> ompaul - It's ok - I got it to work... it'ds just like... only running on the drive i dont liek to use
[01:43] <corza> what are some good software (basics)
[01:43] <stjepan> ok, I will make a swap partition with 512MB
[01:43] <sebby_> Anyone know a quick way to check bandwith speeds?
[01:43] <m0r0n> sebby_, yes, mic is on
[01:43] <bob2> sebby_: iptraf is nice
[01:43] <ompaul> corza, as they say in all evil burger joints, enjoy :)
[01:44] <corza> lol yea.. umm
[01:44] <m0r0n> sebby_, the file has even a size after record! :-)
[01:45] <m0r0n> rec -c 1 -t WAV -r 64000 myfirstaudio.wav
[01:45] <corza> i just need some software to add in.. so far on my list i have.. xmms, mplayer, k3b, gftp, limewire, java, winex
[01:45] <ompaul> corza, that question is so broad that the atlantic is now just puddle
[01:46] <ompaul> corza, on a like for like scale
[01:46] <corza> lol righto
[01:48] <sebby_> danm i dont have iptraf yet
[01:48] <sebby_> and i gotta wait aaaaaaaages for linux-source to finish.
[01:48] <sebby_> bob2, how can i modify the gnome menu? like take stuff off i don't want and whatnot.
[01:48] <sebby_> is it a folder somehwere?
[01:48] <dooglus> can I use 'amarok' with ubuntu?  it seems to want to use the kde 'aRts' engine, not esd, OSS or ALSA...  Can I convince it to play nicely?
[01:49] <sebby_> ill try ~ and see if its there..
[01:49] <bob2> sebby_: why are you building a new kernel?
[01:49] <sebby_> cpufreq
[01:49] <bob2> er, the ubuntu kernel includes that
[01:49] <sebby_> ..
[01:49] <sebby_> didnt seem to work here
[01:49] <bob2> it works right out of the box
[01:49] <sebby_> well, it's not here. :D
[01:49] <bob2> dooglus: install amarok-engines, it seems
[01:50] <bob2> how do you know?
[01:50] <Kirilis> help!
[01:50] <Kirilis> checking lex output file root... ./configure: line 2422: lex: command not found
[01:50] <Kirilis> configure: error: cannot find output from lex; giving up
[01:50] <dooglus> bob2: thanks
[01:50] <bob2> Kirilis: sudo aptitutde install flex build-essential
[01:50] <mz2> apart from doing a whole recompile, is there an easy way of adding the initrd for my newly compiled kernel
[01:50] <mz2> i did it with make-kpkg
[01:51] <bob2> why did you compile it at all?
[01:51] <bob2> sebby_: in what way does it not work?
[01:51] <sebby_> the applet does not show my cpu speed..
[01:52] <sebby_> and i can't seem to find any sort of configuration program for it.
[01:52] <Kirilis> bob2, thx
[01:52] <bob2> sebby_: you did a default ubuntu install?
[01:52] <new_to_ubuntu> I have a problem with reaching my usb memory stick. Nothing happens when i plug in the usb pen.
[01:52] <sebby_> bob yeah
[01:52] <bob2> sebby_: what cpu?
[01:52] <sebby_> celeron 1.5ghz
[01:53] <bob2> it works for lots of other people
[01:53] <bob2> I really doubt recompiling will help
[01:53] <sebby_> well, it's not here unfortunately :/
[01:53] <stjepan> I have USB Adsl, can I connect to internet with Ubuntu?
[01:53] <sebby_> okay, well where can i start troubleshooting?
[01:53] <fabbione> sebby_: what kernel are you actually using?
[01:53] <bob2> stjepan: depends on the modem
[01:54] <bob2> stjepan: is it too late to return it and get an ethernet one?
[01:54] <sebby_> 2.2.6.10-5-386 #1
[01:54] <stjepan> bob2: Siemens Gigaset
[01:54] <floater> new_to_ubuntu: I couldn't get my front_panel usb-slots to work on ubuntu. The ones in the back worked automatically
[01:54] <fabbione> sebby_ 2.2.6 ?
[01:54] <floater> Didn't try to get em work though
[01:54] <mrkrabs> stjepan: use the eagle driver if nothing else works
[01:55] <fabbione> sebby_: first you want to install linux-image-2.6.10-5-686
[01:55] <sebby_> Okay.
[01:55] <fabbione> sebby_: and see if that one works for you
[01:55] <bigjb> anyone know what i need to do to get gnome to run with vncserver?
[01:55] <sebby_> i'm like.. 70% through linux-sources at 8k/sec (darn capped internet.)
[01:55] <new_to_ubuntu> I have a laptop, when i write lsusb, the stick appears, but I can't reach it
[01:55] <sebby_> should i let it go then do linux-image or should i just cancel it now.
[01:55] <linukso> bigjb: you've got it: tsclient
[01:56] <fabbione> sebby_: up to you....
[01:56] <bigjb> i mean to run vncserver on ubuntu not interested in using terminal services
[01:56] <stjepan> mrkrabs: is there site on english?
[01:56] <sebby_> fabbione, true. think i might let it go for now.
[01:57] <mrkrabs> stjepan: where are you from?
[01:57] <sebby_> just in case i need it for some wierd thing.
[01:57] <fabbione> ehhe
[01:57] <linukso> bigjb: ah, sorry: there are several to choose from, run apt-cache search vnc
[01:57] <bigjb> yup :)
[01:57] <bigjb> got vncserver installed
[01:57] <toxicfume> hi all, I want to install KDE on ubuntu, how do i do that? Can I simply select the KDE package in Synaptic?
[01:57] <mrkrabs> stjepan: the site of the community is in german, but i think they have done translations into english as well
[01:57] <bigjb> and it gives me nasty dirty x default crosshatch
[01:57] <linukso> bigjb: you could use vino, its installed with gnome
[01:58] <linukso> bigjb: there is a remote desktop setting in the gnome menu
[01:58] <bigjb> ahhh
[01:58] <bigjb> bugger
[01:59] <bigjb> missed that
[01:59] <bigjb> ty muchly linukso
[02:00] <bigjb> now i dont have to crawl under the desk to switch cables  :)
[02:00] <toxicfume> anyone?
[02:00] <bob2> toxicfume: install kubuntu-desktop
[02:00] <bob2> toxicfume: google didn't give you any hints at all?
[02:01] <toxicfume> bob2, i know kubuntu, but that's entirely a different distro no?
[02:01] <eks> bob2: may be it give him #ubuntu
[02:01] <eks> :)
[02:01] <bob2> toxicfume: no
[02:01] <ja> hi, would anyone tell me where I can find an ubuntu package for the lynx web browser?
[02:01] <toxicfume> i have ubuntu installed, i want add KDE to it
[02:01] <bob2> toxicfume: so, as I said, install kubuntu-desktop.
[02:01] <eks> toxicfume: it's juste ubuntu with KDE instead of Gnome
[02:01] <bob2> ja: it's in the lynx package
[02:02] <bob2> ja: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[02:02] <ja> thanks bob2 :)
[02:02] <toxicfume> bob2, okay, after installing, KDE will appear in the sessions menu on the login screen?
[02:02] <damn> what package do i need to download to get MP3 ripping support (Note: i need .deb file)
[02:02] <sebby_> where in ~ is   the gnome application menu stored?
[02:02] <bob2> toxicfume: pretty sure it will replace gdm with kdm
[02:02] <sebby_> or rather where is it located full stop.. i thought it'd be per user in ~ in a hidden dir perhaps.
[02:02] <toxicfume> bob2, no, that's the thing. I don't want it to replace gnome, i want both.
[02:03] <bob2> toxicfume: awesome
[02:03] <toxicfume> uh, whatever
[02:03] <bob2> toxicfume: installing it will not remove gnome
[02:03] <marsh> I'm trying to get rhythmbox to play automatically on startup - but it doesn't seem to have the feature :( - so I'm getting it to start up , but am figuring i'm gonna have to write a script to run 'rhythmbox --play-pause' just after it hgas started, but how do I know when it's started? - id there a bash command to wait, say 30secs without doing anything so I can give rhythmbox a reasonable time to startup before it issues the p
[02:03] <marsh> lay command?
[02:04] <bob2> marsh: "sleep 30s"
[02:04] <marsh> (bit big on the old text... sorry
[02:04] <marsh> bob2 - yr a diamond -
[02:04] <swany> Any way of modifying the way in which metacity places windows?
[02:04] <marsh> cheers
[02:04] <toxicfume> bob2, you said it would replace gnome, does that mean i will have an option in the sessions menu of the login screen whether to boot into KDE or Gnome?
[02:05] <bob2> toxicfume: I said "pretty sure it will replace gdm with kdm", which is the login manager
[02:05] <ja> umm bob2, is there a way to find it without X? I just have the command line
[02:05] <bob2> ja: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:05] <damn> Marsh: goto to System -> Preferences -> Sessions then you don't need a
[02:05] <bob2> ja: uncomment the universe lines.  'sudo apt-get update', 'sudo apt-get install lynx', run it.
[02:06] <damn> marsh:Startup Programs Tab -> Add
[02:06] <toxicfume> bob2, ah, so do you know if i will still have the option to choose between kde or gnome during login?
[02:06] <bob2> toxicfume: I'd assume so
[02:06] <bob2> (ie try it)
[02:06] <marsh> dawn - yeah - but like i said - it wont start actually playing then - it defaults starting up stopped
[02:06] <toxicfume> hmm, i better be sure, don't want to reinstall again
[02:07] <bob2> er
[02:07] <bob2> there is no way this would require a reinstall, even if I am wrong
[02:07] <marsh> dawn - I'm using that to run the script though - thanks
[02:07] <damn> marsh: ok
[02:07] <toxicfume> bob2, it wouldn't require a reinstall right, but it might be so much mess that i wouldn't feel like sorting through, thus the option to reinstall
[02:07] <ja> I'd have to download the package from this computer (runnind debian) because the other has no modem
[02:08] <bob2> toxicfume: no, it won't be a mess at all
[02:08] <bob2> toxicfume: at worst you'd have to remove kdm, and then you'll be back where you are right now
[02:09] <toxicfume> bob2, okay, but i wonder how's it different just installing the KDE and it's dependencies
[02:09] <bob2> toxicfume: it's not
[02:09] <toxicfume> ah okay
[02:09] <toxicfume> bob2, then it sounds good
[02:09] <bigjb> what mta does ubuntu use as default?
[02:10] <bob2> bigjb: postfix
[02:10] <toxicfume> Gnome
[02:10] <toxicfume> err sorry
[02:10] <bigjb> ty
[02:10] <toxicfume> Gnome will have it';s login replaced by KDM?
[02:10] <bob2> afaik
[02:10] <sebby_> where would I find the gnome applications menu? i'd like to delete some stuff on it.
[02:10] <toxicfume> alright
[02:10] <toxicfume> bob2, thanks, i'll try it now
[02:10] <bob2> sebby_: use the "smeg" menu editor
[02:11] <sebby_> bob, ok, thanks.
[02:11] <sebby_> guess i need to wait for that to download and install too
[02:12] <jind> Does anybody know how to different refresh rates in gnome?
[02:12] <jind> For the monitor that is
[02:13] <ompaul> jind - command line (ooch) gnome-control-center and screen resolution
[02:13] <ompaul> jind may help some
[02:13] <ja> where can I find the actual packages http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/ seems to just have lists of packages
[02:13] <bob2> ja: ubuntu/pool/
[02:13] <jind> ompaul, I can only choose 85 Hz, I need 60 in 640x460 mode
[02:14] <jind> Do you know how?
[02:14] <jind> It's because of a tv which requires 60 vertical refresh
[02:14] <ja> thanks bob2
[02:14] <bob2> np
[02:15] <jind> Correction: 640x480
[02:15] <k4rp0r> how could i get souds working on totem?
[02:15] <ompaul> jind, you should be able to do 640x480 from there
[02:15] <ompaul> jind, dont worry about the rate
[02:16] <mrkrabs> k4rp0r: is your sound working with other players?
[02:16] <toxicfume> how can i find out all the packages installed on ubuntu?
[02:16] <k4rp0r> mrkrabs: i only have totem right now.
[02:16] <toxicfume> can i uninstall the installed programs via synaptics?
[02:17] <bob2> toxicfume: sure
[02:17] <toxicfume> bob2, okay, thanks
[02:17] <ompaul> jind, if you really want to get into that stuff have a look at sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver.org
[02:17] <stjepan> guys I have this
[02:17] <stjepan> http://www40.brinkster.com/stipe/eth.png
[02:17] <stjepan> can this help me to connect with ADSL?
[02:18] <mrkrabs> k4rp0r: is totem playing videos?
[02:18] <k4rp0r> mrkrabs: yes, but no sound
[02:18] <ja> can .deb packages be zipped?
[02:18] <mrkrabs> k4rp0r: do you have installed all gstreamer-libs?
[02:19] <stjepan> bob2: help
[02:19] <k4rp0r> mrkrabs: i thinks so, ill have a look...
[02:19] <jind> ompaul, thanks mate :-)
[02:19] <ompaul> no worries
[02:19] <bob2> stjepan: ?
[02:19] <bob2> stjepan: is it too late to get a ethernet modem?
[02:19] <bob2> ja: they are compressed already
[02:20] <k4rp0r> mrkrabs: looks like i havent, how could i install them
[02:20] <stjepan> bob2: probably it is late
[02:20] <stjepan> http://www40.brinkster.com/stipe/eth.png
[02:20] <stjepan> bob2: I have this
[02:20] <stjepan> that
[02:20] <stjepan> bob2: What is it on the picture?
[02:21] <stjepan> bob2: Properties of Network card?
[02:21] <bob2> stjepan: what?
[02:22] <new_to_ubuntu> hello all, I installed ubuntu two days ago, so I have some problems.. I can't open/access my usb pen.
[02:22] <bob2> stjepan: that's a picture of windows looking at an ethernet card.
[02:22] <new_to_ubuntu> what do I do?
[02:22] <k4rp0r> mrkrabs:????? how could i install them?
[02:23] <ptlo> stjepan: that card is probably handled by 8139too kernel driver
[02:23] <stjepan> ptlo: I do not understand
[02:23] <ptlo> stjepan: ubuntu should've autodetected it, i believe
[02:23] <ja> well can I split .deb packages to fit them on floppy disks?
[02:23] <Ed_Gein> Having problems with Synaptic. For some reason its suddenly remembering my password. When I enter the password , synaptic opens as it should. But when I close it and reopen synaptic at a ltater time it just opens. No password required.
[02:24] <bob2> ja: sure, with the "split" command
[02:24] <ray99> C: 20 GB NTFS - D: 45 GB FAT32 - BOOT 100 MB EXT3 - Swap 1 GB - /home 20 GB EXT3 - Gentoo 20 GB EXT3 - Ubuntu 5 GB REISERFS
[02:24] <stjepan> ptlo: so, Ubuntu should connect to Internet via it?
[02:24] <ray99> are these partitions OK?
[02:24] <sebby_> ew
[02:24] <sebby_> why dual linux
[02:24] <bob2> ray99: you don't need a boot partition
[02:24] <sebby_> ew triple boot dude.
[02:24] <stjepan> is it?
[02:24] <ptlo> stjepan: well, ubuntu _has_ drivers for that card so if it's connected to LAN you can set up your networking using it and that should work, yeah
[02:25] <stjepan> ptlo: No, it is not connected to LAN
[02:25] <stjepan> ptlo: I have one computer
[02:25] <ptlo> i can't see much use for it, then :)
[02:25] <P-NuT> Hi all
[02:26] <Ed_Gein> anyone?
[02:26] <ray99> bob2 I mess up my Gentoo / Ubuntu partition often, so it would be smart to have one right?
[02:26] <mrkrabs> k4rp0r: do you have ubuntu with gnome?
[02:26] <ja> then do I just use cat to put them together again?
[02:26] <P-NuT> is anyone running a Nvidia Geforce MX 400 (PCI) card with ubuntu?
[02:26] <bob2> ray99: what do you use a "boot partition" for?
[02:26] <k4rp0r> mrkrabs:yes, and i got the problem solved
[02:26] <bob2> P-NuT: it should work fine
[02:26] <HrdwrBoB> P-NuT: not currently
[02:26] <bob2> ja: right
[02:26] <HrdwrBoB> but I have have
[02:27] <Ed_Gein> Having problems with Synaptic. For some reason its suddenly remembering my password. When I enter the password , synaptic opens as it should. But when I close it and reopen synaptic at a ltater time it just opens. No password required.
[02:27] <ja> cool! thanks :-)
[02:27] <P-NuT> Yeah..
[02:27] <HrdwrBoB> P-NuT: you can in fact run three at once if you want
[02:27] <ray99> bob2, GRUB and files to start my linux distro, like bzImage...
[02:27] <bob2> Ed_Gein: yes, that's how sudo works.
[02:27] <bob2> Ed_Gein: if you run "sudo -k" in a terminal, it should ask for a password again
[02:27] <P-NuT> Sure, but I seem to have missed that vital step about configuring your monitor when installing and now gdm just doesnt start properly.. or at all.
[02:27] <bigfoot> In Xine, Mod3+Left or Mod3+Right is to skip back of forward 7 seconds. which key is Mod3?
[02:27] <mrkrabs> k4rp0r: ok
[02:28] <P-NuT> my xorg.conf is stuffed.
[02:28] <P-NuT> can I generate a new one somehow?
[02:28] <Ed_Gein> I'm not starting it from a terminal. I'm starting from System > Administration > Synaptic
[02:28] <bob2> P-NuT: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:28] <bob2> P-NuT: assuming you didn't screw it up manually
[02:28] <bob2> Ed_Gein: yes, I know.
[02:28] <P-NuT> bob2: I'll try that
[02:28] <bob2> Ed_Gein: dows what I said work?
[02:29] <new_to_ubuntu> Hi all, I have plugged in my usb memory-pen, but do not manage to acces it. what do I do?
[02:29] <Ed_Gein> bob2 : I'm sure it does. But I'm not starting synaptic from a terminal.
[02:29] <bob2> Ed_Gein: lord
[02:29] <bob2> Ed_Gein: can you just try it please?
[02:29] <P-NuT> bob2: Well, yes I may have
[02:30] <bob2> P-NuT: you need to mention that in future.  "sudo dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xorg ; sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg".
[02:30] <P-NuT> bob2: will it give me that funky interface it presents you with in the install?
[02:30] <bob2> P-NuT: it will try to configure it automatically
[02:31] <Ed_Gein> bob2 :sudo -k synaptic
[02:31] <Ed_Gein> usage: sudo -K | -L | -V | -h | -k | -l | -v
[02:31] <Ed_Gein> usage: sudo [-HPSb]  [-p prompt]  [-u username|#uid] 
[02:31] <Ed_Gein>             { -e file [...]  | -i | -s | <command> }
[02:31] <bob2> Ed_Gein: no, I said 'sudo -k', nothing about synaptic
[02:32] <Ed_Gein> bob2 : Ok, Itried that sudo -k. no change
[02:32] <bob2> Ed_Gein: it still doesn't ask for the password?
[02:33] <Ed_Gein> bob2 : no
[02:34] <P-NuT> bob2: it didn't even touch my xorg.conf
[02:34] <P-NuT> that's the whole problem
[02:34] <bob2> "it" = ?
[02:34] <bob2> the command I gave you will have entirely deleted your xorg.conf
[02:34] <P-NuT> bob2: it say's its been modified
[02:34] <P-NuT> nope
[02:34] <P-NuT> it didnt
[02:34] <bob2> 22:30:15           bob2 | P-NuT: you need to mention that in future.  "sudo dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xorg ; sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg".
[02:34] <new_to_ubuntu> Hi all, I have plugged in my usb memory-pen, but do not manage to acces it. what do I do?
[02:34] <bob2> you really ran that?
[02:35] <bob2> new_to_ubuntu: there's no need to ask over and over
[02:35] <P-NuT> yep but without the "
[02:35] <bob2> new_to_ubuntu: if people don't reply, try asking on the mailing list
[02:35] <new_to_ubuntu> mailing list?
[02:35] <slips> Is it possible to run memtest at the boot-command with the live-cd?
[02:35] <bob2> new_to_ubuntu: http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[02:35] <new_to_ubuntu> thanks!
[02:36] <sebby_> hm
[02:36] <sebby_> should i install .10 or .11 of the kernel
[02:36] <Ed_Gein> bob2 : any other thoughts?
[02:36] <Ironfrost> .10
[02:36] <Ironfrost> odd numbers are unstable
[02:37] <ICU> lol
[02:37] <eks> slips: don't know. try F1 to see available boot command
[02:37] <sebby_> k
[02:37] <sebby_> um
[02:37] <ICU> install .11 - its stable
[02:37] <sebby_> was that a joke or.. :P
[02:37] <sebby_> hehe yeah i was just checking
[02:37] <bob2> Ironfrost: er, no, that's not true
[02:37] <ICU> :)
[02:37] <slips> eks: F1 doesn't mention it..
[02:38] <Ironfrost> it's not? I thought that was the point
[02:38] <Ironfrost> I'm not sure, so I could well be wrong
[02:38] <nbvk> does /etc/init.d/apache2 start do the same thign in gentoo as it does in debian/ubuntu?
[02:38] <Ironfrost> but I thought that odd numbers were for testing new features and then the even numbers were the stable versions
[02:39] <bob2> Ironfrost: 2.3.4 is a testing kernel, yes.  2.6.9 is not.
[02:39] <Ironfrost> ah, OK
[02:39] <sebby_> .11 it is
[02:39] <bob2> 2.6.11 is not supported on ubuntu, tho
[02:39] <sebby_> what?
[02:40] <sebby_> fuck should i stop getting it then
[02:40] <eks> slips: if it isn't mentioned in any help screen, I suppose it can't be run
[02:40] <Shufla> hello :)
[02:40] <bob2> if it breaks, you're on your own
[02:40] <sebby_> so should i do 11
[02:40] <sebby_> i dont want it to break
[02:40] <sebby_> i mean should i do 10
[02:40] <Seveas> sebby_, you'd better do 2.6.10
[02:40] <sebby_> k
[02:40] <slips> eks: ok.. though maybe there was a command to run it at the boot-prompt
[02:40] <ICU> linux-image-2.6.11-1-686 and linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 are available to me...
[02:40] <Seveas> especially if you have an ati or nvidia graphics card
[02:40] <slips> *thought
[02:40] <ompaulAFK> why do so many lists offer language - english usa when there is no other option
[02:41] <Seveas> ICU, but breezy is not supported yet
[02:41] <ICU> 2.6.11 is in hoary/universe
[02:41] <bigfoot> Hi all. I asked a question about 10 minutes ago, but my computer somehow crashed. (Oh no! I thought Linux never crashed! 8-)  ) Anyway, I was wondering what the Mod3 key is? Xine uses Mod3 key to go forward or backward 7 seconds. Thank you.
[02:41] <Seveas> ICU, 2.6.12 isn't
[02:41] <ompaulAFK> english ie / za / au / nz / ca / uk
[02:41] <ICU> Seveas, yes i know
[02:42] <ICU> 2.6.12 is not released yet, is it?
[02:42] <Seveas> bigfoot, you can map any of shift,alt,ctrl,win key,menu key to mod3
[02:42] <Seveas> 2.6.12 is available in breezy
[02:42] <bigfoot> Seveas, so if i didn't do any customization. Mod3 is clear?
[02:42] <Seveas> bigfoot, probably, but i'm not 100% sure
[02:42] <bigfoot> Seveas, if so, what do you recommend? THere are many keys on my keyboard that are still without much use.
[02:43] <Seveas> pick one :)
[02:43] <ICU> Seveas, but its not released as 2.6.11 is - never mind
[02:43] <bigfoot> May i ask you what you have for mod3, Seveas ? (Copy the expert)
[02:43] <dooglus> 2.6.10 lost me a file earlier
[02:44] <dooglus> a bug in one of the drivers, apparently.  fixed in 2.6.11.
[02:44] <Seveas> bigfoot, none :)
[02:44] <dooglus> I've been using 2.6.11 for over a month without any problem on mandriva.  don't know about the ubuntu version, but I'm trying it now
[02:44] <Seveas> ICU, 2.6.12 is still at -rc5
[02:44] <bigfoot> Seveas, where do i customize the mod3 key? Not in Xine, right? In Ubuntu, right?
[02:45] <sebby_> hey um
[02:45] <bigfoot> Seveas, just curious, what do you have the Menu key for? How about your windows key?
[02:45] <sebby_> okay i'm doing an apt-get install linux-images-2.6.10-5-686 right now
[02:45] <sebby_> should i uninstall the other linux-image that is in use right now
[02:45] <Seveas> bigfoot, system->prefs->keyboard
[02:45] <sebby_> or will it do it automatically.. i dont wanna end up with nothing...
[02:45] <Seveas> my menu is the compose key
[02:46] <Seveas> and the 'flag' key is mapped to Mod4, to create shortcuts
[02:46] <Seveas> flag+r = run applications, flag+t = run terminal etc...
[02:47] <bigfoot> Seveas, thanks. I'm now in the "Layout options" tab. I'm not sure where to find Mod3. Is it what's called "Third Level choosers"?
[02:47] <bigfoot> What exactly is the "compose" key/command, Seveas ?
[02:47] <Seveas> compose key is to create characters with accents
[02:48] <Seveas> compose + ' + e = 
[02:48] <Seveas> etc...
[02:48] <bigfoot> interesting.
[02:48] <bigfoot> where is mod3? is it "third level choosers"?
[02:48] <Seveas>   interesting :)
[02:49] <bigfoot> ha!
[02:49] <Seveas> could be, i don't know :)
[02:49] <bigfoot> 
[02:49] <bigfoot> nc.
[02:49] <Seveas> 
[02:49] <e0f> anyone explain me, how to setup my dsl connection?
[02:50] <e0f> why if i change /etc/resolv.conf the os rechange it?
[02:50] <Seveas> e0f, you should edit the dhcp clients options
[02:51] <bigfoot> what's meta, super, and hyper ?
[02:51] <Seveas> in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[02:51] <e0f> Seveas: explain me in what mode :)
[02:51] <Seveas> bigfoot, you can use them in the other keyboard dialog to map functions too
[02:51] <Seveas> e0f sudo gedit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[02:51] <Seveas> make sure it does not request domain-name-servers
[02:51] <e0f> and what i change in this file?
[02:52] <Seveas> and add prepend: lines for your dns servers
[02:52] <bigfoot> wow, which "other keyboard dialog", Seveas ?
[02:52] <Seveas> see man dhclient.conf for the exact syntax
[02:52] <Seveas> bigfoot, system->prefs->keybpard shortcuts
[02:52] <e0f> Seveas: i add my dns at the end of /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf ?
[02:52] <Seveas> e0f, anywher, just make sure you use the correct syntax
[02:53] <Seveas> and backup the file in case you mess up :)
[02:53] <e0f> ok, i try, see u after :)
[02:53] <odie5533> What filetype is created when I create a program in C++ on Linux? It looks almost like it doesn't have a type
[02:54] <Seveas> odie5533, what do you mean by 'file type'?
[02:54] <bob2> odie5533: how do you mean?
[02:54] <bob2> odie5533: are you refering to the nautilus icon or something?
[02:54] <odie5533> It seems to not have a filetype. On Windows it would be .exe
[02:54] <sebby_> um.
[02:54] <ciocanel> odie5533, it's an a.out
[02:54] <sebby_> just set the file to executable and run it.
[02:54] <sebby_> man chmod
[02:54] <odie5533> Hmm... How does linux know its an executable?
[02:54] <sebby_> or just /.a.out i think
[02:54] <Seveas> odie5533, ehm, if you compile it it will just have a name. On linux you don't need extensions :)
[02:55] <Seveas> sebby_, a.out is sooooo obsolete :)
[02:55] <Guerin> odie5533: magic
[02:55] <sebby_> odie - anything can be 'executed' i think.. but you can set stuff to executeable properties.
[02:55] <mz2> odie5533, the filename suffix doesn't really mean much in linux. you can call programs .exe or .foo if you want to :)
[02:55] <bob2> odie5533: it stores a seperate perission bit with each file that says if it is exeuctable or not
[02:55] <AgentM> Hello! Does somebody has installed OpenTTD on Ubuntu?
[02:55] <bob2> odie5533: for instance, "ls" is executable
[02:55] <bob2> Guerin: aloha
[02:55] <sebby_> Seveas, i dont even use c++. i'm just trying to inject my knowledge of how to run stuff
[02:55] <odie5533> Hmm... new concepts, ok
[02:55] <Guerin> bob2: how's tricks?
[02:55] <sebby_> which was basically /.whateveritiscalled
[02:55] <sebby_> or chmod the file to an executable.
[02:55] <bob2> odie5533: (this applies to all programs, not just C++, of course)
[02:56] <bob2> odie5533: though some people do use extensions, particularily for scripts: foo.sh, bar.pl.
[02:56] <AgentM> Because I can't install it from the deb-package (OpenTTD)
[02:56] <bob2> Guerin: same ol', same ol'.  how's the beer up north?
[02:56] <odie5533> G++ also uses extensions, looks a the extension and acts accordingly
[02:56] <odie5533> I think it can be overrun though
[02:56] <bob2> odie5533: for compiling source, yup
[02:56] <bob2> odie5533: yup, you can override it
[02:56] <Guerin> bob2: same as down south. Had a ripper of a road trip, though.... didn't sleep for the first 36 hours :)
[02:56] <odie5533> lol
[02:56] <sebby_> is there a package for 'smeg'? i cant seem to find it
[02:57] <bob2> odie5533: but do note that "g++ foo.cc" is not the same as "gcc foo.cc".
[02:57] <Seveas> sebby_, there is in breezy
[02:57] <Seveas> sebby_, and you can download it from realistanew.com
[02:57] <odie5533> bob2: learned that the hard way
[02:57] <Seveas> (or .org)
[02:57] <sebby_> breezy is the new unsupported one?
[02:57] <Malsid> Hello
[02:57] <bob2> odie5533: hah
[02:57] <bob2> sebby_: yes
[02:57] <Guerin> bob2: and eating whale meat
[02:57] <bob2> Guerin: hah, cool
[02:57] <odie5533> spent half an hour wondering why gcc wouldn't compile my c++ program headers
[02:57] <bob2> Guerin: I guess it tastse like chicen? ;)
[02:58] <odie5533> bob2: whats the difference between a linux executable and a linux one? I am looking to have any program I make (small or big) be cross-platform compatible
[02:59] <hannes_> d
[02:59] <hannes_> 1548.31 <+ICEco> lol
[02:59] <bob2> odie5533: what do you mean by "cross-platform compatible"?  you can't make a single file that will run on windows and linux, if that's what you mean.
[02:59] <bob2> odie5533: but linux binaries usually run on freebsd of the same architecture
[02:59] <odie5533> Yes I know, but recompile it to, which is why I am wondering what kind of changes to the file I may need
[02:59] <bob2> odie5533: ah
[03:00] <odie5533> and is there a windows compiler that works on Linux natively?
[03:00] <Seveas> odie5533, maybe some #ifdef statments for platform specific stuff
[03:00] <odie5533> Yeah, that gets tedious
[03:00] <bob2> mingwin compiles windows executables on linux
[03:00] <sebby_> Seveas,  okay i got the deb file. btw, wtf is a deb file.
[03:00] <bob2> sebby_: a debian package
[03:00] <Seveas> sebby_, it's the debian package format
[03:00] <odie5533> not to mention it makes source code a bitch to read =/
[03:00] <Seveas> sebby_, but you should have downloaded the install script
[03:00] <sebby_> ewps.
[03:00] <sebby_> okay
[03:00] <bob2> odie5533: it's best to just factor out the platform-specific stuff into lower layers
[03:00] <bob2> if possible
[03:01] <Seveas> indeed
[03:01] <Guerin> bob2: no way. Like beef - a bit sweeter and more tender.
[03:01] <odie5533> Sort of a black box type, and have the main program call the platform specific classes?
[03:01] <bob2> yeah
[03:01] <bob2> 'common c++' does things like that
[03:01] <bob2> Seveas: you worked on perforce?
[03:01] <Guerin> bob2: it's wonderful stuff - raw, cooked, any way. The blubber's nasty though. Fatty stuff with a faint burt tyres taste
[03:02] <Seveas> bob2, p4 as in MPICH
[03:02] <bob2> Seveas: ah
[03:02] <ciocanel> anyone knows a nice instant messenger client beside gaim?
[03:02] <Malsid> Hmmm... so where's the system volume
[03:02] <bob2> Guerin: hmm
[03:02] <Malsid> ?
[03:02] <Seveas> ciocanel, there's amsn
[03:02] <Seveas> or kopete for kde
[03:02] <ciocanel> Seveas, amsn comes with gtk2?
[03:02] <Seveas> Malsid, applicatins->sound & video->volume control
[03:02] <Seveas> ciocanel, it's TCL/TK
[03:03] <Malsid> Seveas: cheers : )
[03:03] <ciocanel> Seveas, ugly....
[03:03] <Seveas> ciocanel, indeed
[03:03] <Guerin> ciocanel: use your favorite irc client and connect to im.bitlbee.org
[03:03] <ciocanel> :-)
[03:03] <mz2> ciocanel, kopete's ok
[03:03] <ciocanel> mz2, yeah, but I hate qt...
[03:03] <Seveas> mz2, kopete leads to kde, kde leads to fear, fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to sufering
[03:04] <ciocanel> :-))))
[03:04] <Guerin> suffering leads to drinking
[03:04] <Seveas> hmm :)
[03:04] <Guerin> drinking leads to more suffering
[03:04] <Atholas> Damn infinite loop!
[03:04] <Seveas> ^C
[03:04] <bob2> Guerin: only when you stop
[03:04] <Guerin> i would also note that gnome has the same problem
[03:05] <ompaulAFK> Seveas, that would be fear and loathing outside gnome would it?
[03:06] <dooglus> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[03:06] <dooglus>   linux-386 linux-image-386
[03:06] <dooglus> After unpacking 98.3kB disk space will be freed.
[03:06] <dooglus> only 98k for a kernel???
[03:06] <mz2> ciocanel, why exactly do you hate QT? I at least love QT, but hate KDE :)
[03:06] <Seveas> dooglus, these are metapackages
[03:06] <bob2> dooglus: "apt-cache show linux-386"
[03:06] <bob2> dooglus: all they do is Depend on the real kernel packages
[03:06] <Guerin> "I was just on the edge of slashdot when the gnomes began to take hold..."
[03:07] <Seveas> yegh, /.
[03:07] <ciocanel> mz2, I think is too slow... I like gtk
[03:07] <Seveas> too crowded with lazy frustrated sysadmins
[03:07] <bob2> odie5533: "common c++" (in ubuntu) has some stuff to make portability easier
[03:07] <bob2> odie5533: as does qt, if you're using that
[03:08] <sebby_> bah
[03:08] <sebby_> 8k/sec is soooo slow.
[03:08] <shawarma> I have the weirdest problem. just did a Ubuntu install, and on the GDM login screen, when I click "Language", the machine hans. Really. It doesn't even respond to ping anymore.. What the f*ck..
[03:08] <sebby_> an hour for a kernel.
[03:08] <reka> sebby_: you've never been on dialup have you?
[03:09] <Seveas> shawarma, but if you don't click language you can login ok?
[03:09] <sebby_> reka i erased that part of my memory years ago
[03:09] <shawarma> Seveas: Yup.
[03:09] <reka> hehe
[03:09] <Malsid> Why do all OS's suck?
[03:09] <sebby_> thank god only 2 days till my cap refreshes
[03:09] <sebby_> Malsid,  because life sucks.
[03:09] <sebby_> Do you want the solid proof?
[03:09] <sebby_> Or just accept that.
[03:09] <shawarma> Seveas: What the heck does that Language chooser do that is so terrible?
[03:10] <Malsid> Nah, lifes good, well, my life at least : )
[03:10] <ciocanel> Malsid, pebkac
[03:10] <sebby_> Yes, but all OS's suck for a reason.
[03:10] <Seveas> shawarma, no idea
[03:11] <Seveas> shawarma, try dpkg-reconfigure locales and change something
[03:11] <reka> sebby_: so what is *the* reason you speak of?
[03:11] <shawarma> Seveas: If I do login and use the menus, some of them just hangs gnome-panel. this is sooo weird!
[03:11] <leitao> hello guys, does ubuntu supports intels 802.11g nics?
[03:11] <shawarma> leitao: Yup
[03:11] <|4815162342|> go longhorn!!
[03:11] <shawarma> leitao: You can even use it to install Ubuntu.
[03:11] <haydenTNG> |4815162342|: sif
[03:11] <mitch_> Hi everybody
[03:11] <leitao> shawarma : all opf them? in what version? breezy only?
[03:12] <reka> shawarma: hmm, i'd say you've got bigger problems
[03:12] <shawarma> leitao: this is hoary.
[03:12] <|4815162342|> errr.. go OS X!?
[03:12] <Malsid> ciocanel: I worked briefly as tech support... don't tell me about it.
[03:12] <Seveas> shawarma, try installing some more locales
[03:12] <haydenTNG> |4815162342|: OSX is good
[03:12] <leitao> shawarma : thx
[03:12] <shawarma> reka: Yeah... but it's deterministic, so I don't think it's memory problems..
[03:12] <|4815162342|> i know, i want a powerbook
[03:12] <shawarma> Seveas: Yeah,I could do that.... Not sure if it'll work, though.
[03:13] <mitch_> simple question: I'd like to add other folders to the "Places" menu in the gnome-panel other than Home and Desktop... how to?
[03:13] <Seveas> mitch_, ENOWAY
[03:13] <ciocanel> Malsid, not my intention to offence you... I just think that the user is the biggest problem
[03:13] <dooglus> I just noticed that I accidentally installed kernel 2.6.12 instead of 2.6.11.  oops.
[03:14] <Malsid> ciocanel: Um the coder is the biggest problem... I speak from expierience.
[03:14] <mitch_> Seveas, well I saw it somewhere...
[03:14] <ciocanel> Malsid, ok... it's a point of view...
[03:15] <sebby_> reka - the reason all OS's suck is simple. due to the uncertainty principal in the fundamental of quantum physics, the location of particles cannot be determined as one factor is known, increases the uncertainty of the other factor. Due to this, matter cannot be proven to exist. Therefore the thoery of relativity is born. Relativity allows us to bridge our own 'conciousness' to a central/global hallucination that allows us to communicate. Howeve
[03:15] <sebby_> r we reside in our own universes which co-incide and overlap with one another's. Therefore since he said why do all os's suck, the answer is simply, all os's suck so that he could ask that question.
[03:15] <Seveas> :o)
[03:15] <Malsid> ciocanel: If something crashes it's the coders fault 90% of the time.
[03:15] <reka> :-)
[03:15] <sebby_> :)
[03:16] <Malsid> ciocanel: If I blamed users my code wouldn't be worth jack.
[03:17] <ciocanel> Malsid, yes but I'm sick and tired of all users who blaim the code for every thing they don't uderstand
[03:17] <reka> sebby_: so if i have it right, Malsid is the reason OSs suck?
[03:17] <sebby_> Somewhat. :)
[03:18] <sebby_> But then again, don't blame him - your subconcious/concious partially agrees with him. :)
[03:19] <Malsid> I'ts all my fault : (
[03:19] <Malsid> Sorry
[03:19] <reka> =D
[03:19] <Malsid> Won't do it again.
[03:19] <ja> hi,i've installed xp and i want to save grub on the mbr but i can't ,i inserted instal cd 5.04 and when i saw boot: i write linux rescue and ubuntu starts installing,what should i do to repair grub,help,sory for my eng
[03:19] <sebby_> Technially you will, infinite amount of times, but let's not go there. :)
[03:19] <Malsid> Nah, I'd love to take credit for messing up an OS. I mean wow, that would mean I'd written an os : )
[03:20] <reka> ja:
[03:20] <reka> !ubuntuguide
[03:20] <Seveas> ja, boot from a livecd
[03:20] <ubotu> well, ubuntuguide is a helpful guide for new users located at http://ubuntuguide.org
[03:20] <reka> there's a topic on that i think.
[03:20] <ja> yeah i know a read itand...
[03:22] <ja> i reset computer put install disk into cdrom wait for boot : write rescue
[03:22] <guruff> hello
[03:22] <Malsid> I've been win32 for a long time now... finally  installed Ubunto. And all of a sudden I feel like a noob.
[03:22] <ja> but ubuntu starting install system ask me in which partition install system
[03:23] <guruff> is there somewhere a light clean not bloated mp3 player  ???
[03:23] <reka> Malsid: we all were at one point.
[03:23] <Malsid> at least netbeans stays the same. :P
[03:23] <Seveas> ja, you must boot from a *live* cd, not an *install* cd
[03:24] <reka> guruff: depends on your definition of bloated.  i like beep-media-player, an xmms clone that uses gtk2
[03:24] <Seveas> guruff, beep-media-player is the way to go
[03:24] <Seveas> guruff, and there is a nice ubuntu skin for it too :)
[03:24] <nakata> hi all
[03:24] <shawarma> If I add "noapic nolapid acpi=off" I should have disabled everything that usually causes problems, right?
[03:25] <ja> when i did it with live cd i have :could not find kernel
[03:25] <ja> when i wrote rescue
[03:25] <|4815162342|> how do I go about getting said beep-media-player?
[03:25] <Seveas> ja, you do not need that
[03:25] <guruff> Seveas; i shall investigate :) thanks i will check it out
[03:25] <Seveas> |4815162342|, sudo aptitude install beep-media-player
[03:25] <reka> |4815162342|: first you'll need to set your repository list up if you haven't yet
[03:25] <reka> !repositories
[03:25] <ubotu> rumour has it, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:25] <|4815162342|> right.. err... ty
[03:25] <reka> then do as Seveas said.
[03:26] <reka> Seveas: really?  saves typing stuff.
[03:26] <Seveas> reka, i find it disturbing and easy to abuse
[03:27] <Seveas> i hace a faq script in my client for the same purpose :)
[03:27] <Seveas> s/hace/have/
[03:27] <reka> i understand easy to abuse, but disturbing?
[03:27] <ja> in quide write to use install cd not live cd
[03:27] <Seveas> !repositories <== that
[03:27] <ubotu> Seveas: I give up, what is it?
[03:27] <Seveas> these commands
[03:27] <reka> Seveas: ah, would you prefer i laid off?
[03:27] <Seveas> reka, no
[03:27] <reka> :-)
[03:27] <Seveas> just had to maker the i hate bots remark :)
[03:27] <Seveas> make*
[03:28] <Seveas> maybe I should just ignore all that begins with ! :)
[03:28] <ja> seveas,how i cant do this by live cd ?in quide write to use install cd not live cd
[03:29] <reka> ja: your dualbooting, so i'd assume you only have two partitions?
[03:29] <Seveas> ja, simply boot from live cd, mount your partitions, chroot into the installed system and run grub-install
[03:29] <ja> 4 ,one linux a 3 windows
[03:30] <Murlocdundee> bob2: do you have his email ?
[03:30] <ja> ok thanks
[03:33] <shawarma> Seveas: This is just soo strange. It keeps dying on me. I click Language and move the mouse around, and just when the windows show up (no contents,just the background of it) the system stops responding.
[03:34] <shawarma> I've never seen anything like it!
[03:35] <sebby_> okay i just did apt-get install linux-images blabla a new kernel.
[03:35] <sebby_> said yes to lilo, so i guess all i have to do is reboot?
[03:36] <dooglus> sebby_: it should have kept your previous kernel as "ubuntuOLD"
[03:36] <sebby_> so i should get a lilo menu now?
[03:36] <dooglus> sebby_: it won't do any harm to "sudo lilo" first - just to make sure
[03:36] <Seveas> shawarma, me neither
[03:37] <sebby_> Added Linux *
[03:37] <sebby_> Added LinuxOLD
[03:37] <dooglus> I nearly had a heart attack when, after removing the 2.6.10 kernel it tried to run grub!  Last time it ran grub, I couldn't boot anything for about the next 12 hours...
[03:37] <reka> shawarma: patchy install perhaps?  noticed any errors?
[03:37] <shawarma> reka: None.
[03:37] <dooglus> sebby_: the '*' is the default
[03:37] <sebby_> okay
[03:37] <Malsid> Hmm... well that didn't work
[03:37] <sebby_> so if i run into trouble upon reboot..
[03:37] <sebby_> i can pass arguments to lilo?
[03:37] <dooglus> sebby_: nope!
[03:37] <sebby_> ..Okay.
[03:38] <dooglus> sebby_: if neither of those two boot, you'll need to boot using a CD or something...
[03:38] <shawarma> reka: It wasn't a clean install though. I cleaned everything from the disk besides /home and installed on it, but that shouldn't kill the kernel..
[03:38] <Malsid> Just tried to open an mp3 from firefox (download- default file association I presume) instamt X death.
[03:38] <sebby_> ah ok
[03:39] <dooglus> sebby_: I think the lack of boot-time option setting in lilo is what lead to the popularity of grub
[03:39] <sebby_> Yeah.
[03:39] <sebby_> either way everything went okay so im confident it will go okay.
[03:40] <sebby_> i'll reboot in 5 when some file transfers are done.
[03:40] <daniboy> wat are the softwares available?
[03:41] <Malsid> Anybody have problems with choppy sound when playing CD's?
[03:41] <reka> daniboy: more info needed.
[03:42] <reka> daniboy: keep it in the channel please.  what s/ware are you looking for?
[03:42] <reka> Malsid: enablind DMA might help:http://ubuntuguide.org/#speedupcddvdrom
[03:43] <reka> *enabling
[03:43] <Malsid> reka: cheers I'll try that.
[03:43] <daniboy> graphics, 3dmodeling..
[03:43] <A-z-i-z> is there a "Display full path" option in Nautilus as I broswe the directories?
[03:45] <reka> daniboy: read this first http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:45] <reka> daniboy: then you can use synaptic(system->admin->synaptic) to browse packages.  (use the sections tab and click on "graphics")
[03:46] <sebby_> okay here goes
[03:46] <daniboy> thamks
[03:46] <reka> daniboy: check out "gimp" (2D work, already installed, apps->graphics) and blender (3D)
[03:46] <reka> you'll need to download blender
[03:47] <reka> A-z-i-z: isn't that the default behaviour? right-lick on a folder and select browse.  there should be a location bar.
[03:47] <reka> *right-click hehe
[03:48] <daniboy> can i use windows based softwares?
[03:48] <sebby> Linux sebby 2.6.10-5-686
[03:48] <sebby> too easy.
[03:48] <sebby> i see no change in cpufreq though.
[03:49] <A-z-i-z> reka: Thanks.. I just saw the location field :P
[03:49] <IIIEars> daniboy You sure can several different way to do that.
[03:49] <reka> daniboy: some are not guaranteed to work.  you probably need to install "wine"
[03:49] <IIIEars> daniboy What apps are you interested in?
[03:49] <reka> IIIEars: he wants graphics, 3dmodelling
[03:50] <A-z-i-z> reka: how can I let the location field get displaced once I open Nautilus ?
[03:50] <IIIEars> IIIEars - Amaya?
[03:50] <reka> A-z-i-z: edit->prefs-> behaviour tab: always open in browser windows.
[03:51] <dooglus> I can get a list of all the packages installed using "dpkg -l".  Can I get a list of how big each one is?  I'm running low on disk space and want to remove something big!
[03:51] <Rev_Fry> Write to CD won't detect the blank CD I have in the drive and so won't burn
[03:51] <Chameleon22> are there any packages for php-gtk so i dont have to build it from source?
[03:51] <IIIEars> daniboy - Vmware, Qemu, Virtual PC, Wine, or possibly cedega.
[03:52] <A-z-i-z> reka: big thanks
[03:52] <daniboy> like adobe illustrator, photoshop.. autocad, 3ds max...
[03:52] <IIIEars> Haven't really checked out Zen or Win4lin
[03:53] <dooglus> IIIEars: win4lin is very good, but last I heard it only worked with win98 apps
[03:54] <dooglus> IIIEars: I used win4lin every day for a year and never had a crash from it.
[03:54] <Ubuntu1> Hello all.
[03:55] <shawarma> Seveas: Hmm... I'm suspecting X.org..
[03:55] <IIIEars> Crossover Office also - Wow seems to be more ways to do this than i thought.
[03:56] <jayson_I> what are WYSIWYG in linux distribution?
[03:57] <sebby> whatyouseeiswhatyouget.
[03:57] <thoreauputic> dooglus: for a rough estimste cd to /var/cache /apt/archives and try " for each in *.deb ; do du -h $each ; done "
[03:57] <sebby> WYSIWYG means that you will probably enter some sort of data, the 'pretty way' and the program will do the dirty nasty code/whatever for you.
[03:58] <thoreauputic> dooglus: assuming you haven't cleared your apt cache of course
[03:58] <shawarma> Seveas: Oh! Well, what do you know, If I did a reconfig of X.org, it doesn't crash anymore...
[03:59] <reka> shawarma: nice work.  lucky.  i almost recommend you re-install *wipes forehead*
[03:59] <Murlocdundee> Does anyone know if the ubuntu website's plone skin is available to use somewhere ?
[04:00] <sebby> can someone assist in helping me get adjustable cpu frequency working?
[04:00] <d3bian> hello everyon
[04:00] <shawarma> reka: Hell no. Not my style. That's also why I at the age of 23 have found several grey hairs..
[04:00] <shawarma> reka: I'm hunting it down now.. I've never worked on X.org source code, so it'll be fun.
[04:02] <djim> HI all. I have a problem
[04:02] <sebby> And how does that make you feel?
[04:02] <djim> I'm trying to use the torrents to download the DVD ISOs for Ubuntu and Kubuntu, but the server keeps refusing my connection
[04:02] <jayson_I> i mean like macromedia dreaweaver..
[04:03] <_kevin> some of the windows character don't show up on linux in x-chat is there a way to show them all?
[04:03] <_kevin> even though i'm currently using and install the windows fonts
[04:03] <sebby> djim - read the topic. tracker is doown
[04:04] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I was being a bit silly... synaptic allows me to just list installed packages, and to sort by size...  duh!
[04:04] <thoreauputic> dooglus: ah - much easier ! :)
[04:04] <djim> Thanks sebby. THe topic ran off the top of my screen before I could read it. Is there any word on when the tracker will be back up?
[04:05] <matt_> both xmms and beep-media-player just freeze up when i press play
[04:05] <dooglus> yeah :)  sometimes in the quest to be '1337' with the command line, we can forget the the gui is the best way for some things...
[04:05] <matt_> is there sometihng else i need to do to play mp3s?
[04:05] <stjepan> documentation of ADSL router says that minimal requirements is windows, does it work on linux also??
[04:05] <reka> matt_: change the output plugin to esound or alsa
[04:05] <dooglus> djim: if you use azureus you don't need the tracker to be up - it works without the tracker
[04:05] <sebby> djim - No clue.
[04:05] <marsh> hey y'all - i gotta bit of a prob (or two) - i got deadlines & everythings going wrong.
[04:05] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I just did mine and discovered for some reason a lot of debs have been cleared from my cache without my asking: this isn't very Debianish - I expected all to be there! Odd...
[04:06] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I'm sure I saw somewhere that the cache is cleared of anything over 7 days old?
[04:06] <thoreauputic> hmm
[04:06] <stjepan> can anyone answer me?
[04:06] <matt_> hoorah it worked. thanks. how do you people know SO much?
[04:06] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I'll google... but on debian I seem to recall this didn't happen
[04:06] <corey_> Hi guys i need some help with Cedega?
[04:07] <_kevin> i tried alsa and it still freezes only esound works
[04:07] <reka> matt_: hang out here for a few days and you pick up common problems.
[04:07] <matt_> ahhh
[04:07] <_kevin> that is very weird since esound it bad quality
[04:07] <matt_> makes sense
[04:07] <corey_> anyone help me out with Cedega & Direct X?
[04:07] <stjepan> hello
[04:07] <reka> _kevin: you could try this if you're using gnome and want to give alsa a go:
[04:07] <marsh> anyone know how i can config a network card that wasn't cinfig'd at startup?
[04:07] <reka> ubotu: tell kevin about fixsound
[04:07] <_kevin> I'm on gnome
[04:08] <thoreauputic> dooglus: the apt-get clean command is supposed to clear the cache explicitly, I thought
[04:08] <stjepan> Is there anyone who wants to chat?
[04:08] <dooglus> ubotu: tell me about fixsound
[04:08] <matt_> and now, does beep have a playlist option?
[04:08] <_kevin> yes
[04:08] <_kevin> click on PL
[04:08] <_kevin> in the skin
[04:08] <marsh> is there a gconfig app to configure this network card?
[04:08] <stjepan> bob2: hello
[04:08] <corey_> can someone plz help me out with cedega?
[04:08] <marsh> i cant find it :(
[04:08] <_kevin> nex to the sound left and right
[04:09] <matt_> i dunno, am i blind? or is it hidden somewheree?
[04:09] <dooglus> what do you think about the advice given here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-gtk-gnome/2003/11/msg00314.html ?
[04:09] <dooglus> matt_: it's there.  click 'pl' on the right
[04:09] <_kevin> ye
[04:09] <nessmuk> can anyone tell me if the Hibernate function is supposed to be working well. It seems to hang on my machine. Not sure If I should be entering a bug report
[04:09] <matt_> i got it. there was no PL, just an icon
[04:09] <matt_> i guess the icon looks like a list of items..
[04:10] <_kevin> ohh maybe in your skin is like that
[04:10] <dooglus> matt_: it depends on which skin you're using...
[04:10] <_kevin> you get get new skins from www.winamp.com
[04:10] <_kevin> only classic skins
[04:10] <reka> matt_: alternatively, right-click ->view
[04:10] <matt_> ahh k.thx. i guess i have errr.. stndard skin
[04:11] <marsh> anyone????
[04:11] <reka> yes, the debian skin has an icon for it.  can be confusing if you haven't used xmms or winamp before.
[04:11] <IcemanV9> nessmuk: scan bug reports to see if it was submitted or not
[04:12] <matt_> i had used xmms before with freebsd, that took more fiddling just to get any sound to work, ubuntu sound worked right away but mp3s didnt play... ahh always with a problem somewhere
[04:12] <stjepan> let us chat (with me)
[04:12] <stjepan> pls
[04:12] <reka> ubotu: tell matt_ about restrictedformats
[04:12] <reka> ubotu: tell matt_ about restricted
[04:12] <sebby> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CPUFreqModuleLoading <--- the script on that page is gone, how do i get CPUfreq working?
[04:12] <matt_> heh, nice
[04:13] <marsh> if I sudo ifup eth0 - it says'ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0'
[04:13] <reka> matt_: unless you install something lioke xmms or bmp that have their own mp3 plugins.  you'll need to install gstreamer-mad (iirc) or something similar.
[04:13] <_kevin> hey did you guys figure out how to get alsa to work with bmp
[04:14] <reka> to have mp3 playback capability
[04:14] <_kevin> on gnome
[04:14] <reka> _kevin: didn't you get that link?  i'm using alsa on everything now.
[04:14] <_kevin> no
[04:14] <corey_> how do i enable 3d on my video card??
[04:14] <reka> ubotu: tell _kevin about fixsound
[04:14] <reka> corey_: ati or nvidia?
[04:15] <corey_> nvidia
[04:15] <_kevin> ok now i got it
[04:15] <_kevin> thanks
[04:15] <corey_> can u help me?
[04:16] <reka> not personally.  i'm have an ati card.
[04:16] <mjr> (as a 3d aside, it seems that the guys doing free r300 (read: radeon 9500 and up) drivers are getting some good progress done; hopefully the release after the next will have such support ready...)
[04:16] <Malsid> hmmm... still have problems with CD player being choppy (it crashed as well wtf?)
[04:17] <matt_> reka, i did actually install grstreamer-mad, but still no mp3 playback. maybe i did it wrong
[04:17] <corey_> can someone help me with my nvidia card and getting 3d working?
[04:17] <reka> matt_: which program?
[04:18] <matt_> does anyone have any suggestions about how to install/ run subversion, i'm currently installing rapidsvn
[04:18] <matt_> both xmms and beep-media-player
[04:18] <reka> matt_: probably related to the output plugin being oss which seems to be problematic.
[04:19] <shad0wcat> matt_: start by reading the Subversion book
[04:19] <deviant_> ok, guys. on ALSA-PROJECT`s page, it say that i need intel8x0 driver for nVidia nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP).  but modprobe intel8x0 doesen`t work.
[04:19] <marsh> Oh... cmon people - can no-one think of a reason for me to have no response from my eth0 whatsoever?
[04:20] <reka> corey_: since no one's answering: http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[04:21] <reka> corey_: there might be better guides out there.  i'd take a look at ubuntuforums.org
[04:21] <Timbo> http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~tma/tremulous-beta/monolithic/tremulous-20050606.zip
[04:21] <marsh> gnome-nettool lists all info as 'not available'
[04:21] <marsh> ???
[04:21] <Elektron> I'm trying to install Ubuntu on an old laptop with only 40MB memory. While the installer is loading with the message "Loading components of the Ubuntu installer", I keep getting a low memory message, that says: "Entering low memory mode: This system has relatively little free memory, so it will install in low memory mode. Among other things, this means that the installation will proceed in English. You should set up swap space as soon as possible." I p
[04:21] <Elektron> ress enter to continue, it start over trying to load components, then the low memory message comes back. I'm stuck in this loop. Can I somehow set up swap space before loading the installer? Or is there another way to install Ubuntu on a low memory system?
[04:21] <chillywilly> I had to install or setup something so that I could browse the windows network here from Ubuntu, anyone know what that was?
[04:22] <chillywilly> I mean besdies samba and smbfs, etc.
[04:22] <chillywilly> there was some other thing I had to do
[04:22] <reka> marsh: seems like there aren't any network gurus on ATM.  i'd jump back on later.
[04:22] <chillywilly> browse from nautilus that is
[04:22] <mjr> deviant_, the driver's name is snd-intel8x0, and it should load automatically
[04:23] <reka> chillywilly: NTFS or FAT?
[04:23] <chillywilly> uh, no
[04:23] <reka> ah, sorry, i thought you meant partitions
[04:24] <nessmuk> can anyone tell me if the Hibernate function is supposed to be working well. It seems to hang on my machine. Not sure If I should be entering a bug report
[04:24] <Chetic> What's this meta file the bittorrent client wants?
[04:24] <chillywilly> nautilus just shows nothing but smbclient -L works
[04:25] <IcemanV9> Elektron: check this out - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LowEndSystemSupport
[04:25] <_kevin> alsa sounds better
[04:25] <sebby> i'd really appreciate some help setting up CPU frequency settings. i still havent found a solution.
[04:25] <rodrigo> hi, I just installed ubuntu, from debian, Im trying to play some .avi's with tottem, but I get this error:There were no decoders found to handle the stream in file...... you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[04:25] <chillywilly> maybe it was setting the WINS server...
[04:25] <reka> nessmuk: might be interesting: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26324&highlight=hibernate
[04:25] <rodrigo> does anybody know what plugins is he talking about
[04:25] <reka> rodrigo: need to install w32codecs
[04:26] <rodrigo> reka , I have them already
[04:26] <rodrigo> but no luck
[04:26] <nessmuk> thanks reka
[04:26] <rodrigo> or do I have to restart, altogether?
[04:26] <reka> rodrigo: the computer?
[04:26] <Elektron> please, link to address:   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39752
[04:26] <rodrigo> yep...
[04:26] <rodrigo> reka yep
[04:27] <reka> rodrigo: hang on.  using totem-xine?
[04:27] <rodrigo> reka well the totem, you get from the basic install 1.1.1
[04:28] <reka> rodrigo: install totem-xine. the default gstreamer seems to be a little patchy unfortunately
[04:28] <_kevin> i have a router that assign IPs, but the router keeps assigning me new ips I want to know how to get the router to assign me the same IP since i have a specific ip set up the way i want. I have a Linksys 4 port cable/dsl router
[04:28] <rodrigo> reka no, is not the totem-xine...
[04:28] <spoonman2> I have anetgear wG511 V2 "MADE IN CHINA" not tiwan card. is there a way to make it work with warty?
[04:28] <rodrigo> reka should I install it?
[04:28] <reka> by xine and gstreamer i mean the backends totem use.
[04:28] <reka> rodrigo: yes
[04:29] <corey_> ok that totally screwed my GUI up
[04:29] <rodrigo> reka its comming
[04:30] <corey_> reka that didnt really help
[04:30] <Elektron> I need to install Ubuntu in a Pentium 100 with 40MB RAM and I down't know how to do.
[04:30] <corey_> it made things worse lol
[04:30] <signius> Electron dont do it
[04:30] <signius> i tried it on a P500 with 64MB and it runs like a pig
[04:30] <reka> corey_: damn.  sorry.  i feel like i caused it
[04:30] <_kevin> try damn small linux
[04:31] <_kevin> or one of those small linux distros
[04:31] <reka> corey_: what did it stuff up?
[04:31] <Elektron> signius, I want a Debian system just with "dosemu" and printer suport
[04:31] <snowseal> is there any way to tweak the geforce drivers? GL isnt performing very well.
[04:31] <signius> install debian witn no gui
[04:31] <signius> or with something like XFCE
[04:31] <signius> or FreeBSD
[04:32] <Chetic> How do I make xchat put '<' and '>' at the beginning and end of people who speak?
[04:32] <Elektron> sinius, I was thinking to install Debian Small Linux (50 MB), what do you think about it?
[04:32] <signius> i got a P133 with 32MB and FreeBSD runs like a bullet on it with no gui
[04:32] <reka> Chetic: settings->prefs->input box
[04:32] <signius> i havnt used damn small linux personally
[04:33] <rodrigo> reka it works, thanks
[04:33] <tfine> my toshiba libretto L2 very slow,which kernel should I use?
[04:33] <corey_> reka: it just went really dark & blurry i had to change my xorg back to normal (to nv) not nvidia
[04:33] <Chetic> reka, can't find anything about that there..
[04:33] <Elektron> I want a system with: dosemu, nfs support and printer suport
[04:33] <reka> Chetic: nick completion
[04:33] <Malsid> Why GUI's have to be slow has allways confused me. (Amiga 500 had no problem's : )
[04:33] <Elektron> I think a Debian distribution because all systems im my enterprise are Ubuntu
[04:34] <Chetic> reka, I want people who speak to be like "<reka> blah" instead of just "reka  blah"
[04:34] <mjr> anyone tried softsuspend (hibernation) with amd64?
[04:34] <Elektron> but I can't to install Ubuntu in Pentium 100
[04:34] <reka> oh
[04:35] <Malsid> more restart brb.
[04:35] <Elektron> so, I think DSL, like a micro Debian, is a good choice, isn't it ?
[04:35] <thoreauputic> Elektron: I would use a minimal Debian install on that machine: but configuring it could require some research
[04:35] <hondje> DSL is a nice distro
[04:35] <thenuke_> Elektron: you can install ubuntu into p100 or whatever
[04:35] <reka> Chetic: afaik can't be done on 2.4.1 (might want to try #xchat though)
[04:35] <thenuke_> Elektron: but do not use default install
[04:35] <IIIEars> hate to lose an Ubuntuan. have you tried a diffierent window manager?  Ubuntu is really very good at hardware detection.
[04:35] <hondje> Why not netbsd? It runs great on slower hardware
[04:36] <thenuke_> Elektron: Elektron if you are not experienced linux user at all, try that DSL
[04:36] <Elektron> thenuke: read my problem:   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39752
[04:36] <reka> anyone install nvidia drivers?
[04:36] <thenuke_> Elektron: ok.
[04:36] <hondje> reka: sure
[04:36] <sebby> I've got an error but it'd constitute as flooding the channel.
[04:36] <deviant_> how do i remove oss modules. or how do i make them not to load at start-up ?
[04:36] <thenuke_> sounds like a bug to me Elektron
[04:36] <sebby> anyone prepared to accept a small flood/msg?
[04:36] <reka> hondje: help out corey_ :-)  i stuffed his system up i'm afraid
[04:37] <hondje> I don't use the ubuntu pkgs, I'm uptight :)
[04:37] <hondje> corey_: What did he break? :)
[04:37] <reka> sebby: not really. ubuntu.pastebin.com
[04:37] <IIIEars> !flood
[04:37] <corey_> no i fixedit :p
[04:37] <ubotu> flood is, like, Head for the hills the flood has come! please use http://pastebin.com , http://ubuntu.pastebin.com or #flood here on freenode.
[04:37] <thenuke_> Elektron: For what kind of a use you are setting that computer?
[04:37] <corey_> but i still need help
[04:37] <Chetic> reka, ok thanks
[04:37] <hondje> That's my amazing powers, fixed the second it was asked :D
[04:37] <snowseal> can these NVidia settings be tweaked somewhere?
[04:37] <corey_> hondje: LOL
[04:37] <corey_> hondje: ok well i need to somehow enable 3d in my nvidia card..
[04:37] <hondje> snowseal: Yes, you can add options to the device section of xorg.conf, or use the app 'nvidia-settings'
[04:37] <reka> Chetic: don't know why you'd want to anyway?  it clutters it up
[04:38] <IIIEars> u
[04:38] <snowseal> hondje: dankje
[04:38] <hondje> corey_: are you using the nv or nvidia drivers
[04:38] <Chetic> reka, try quoting somebody :\
[04:38] <spoonman2> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.9-1-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid module format       <--- i get this while doing a modeprobe  ndiswrapper  I followd the guide on ubuntuforums... what am i missing?
[04:38] <corey_> umm i'm using nv because when it put in nvidia.. it went all fuzzy n i could hardly see the screen
[04:38] <Frafra> excuseme, why the topic say "PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY"?
[04:38] <chillywilly> ok, for the record setting up /etc/hosts properly and using the proper name from there in your smb.conf fixes things ;)
[04:38] <corey_> so i changed xorg back to nv so i can see again
[04:38] <reka> Chetic: lol, i guess.
[04:38] <sebby> pastebin is down
[04:38] <hondje> corey_: Did you install the nvidia-glx stuff, either from nvidias site or apt?
[04:39] <reka> Chetic: again, try #xchat they're pretty good
[04:39] <corey_> yes apt
[04:39] <Chetic> reka, yeah I'm there now
[04:39] <hondje> corey_: I've never used those, but I can give it a shot
[04:39] <thoreauputic> Frafra: because it is *very* unstable at this stage of development
[04:39] <reka> hondje: i gave him a link to ubuntuguide's instructions
[04:39] <corey_> umm i think.. that hmm do i have to remove dri?
[04:40] <Frafra> thoreauputic: how many unstable?
[04:40] <hondje> I never read the instructions on nvidia...I use the installer from them, since I'm familiar with it and it doesn't take much time
[04:40] <hondje> corey_: Yes, comment out dri
[04:40] <deviant_> anyone here willing to help me set up dmix please!
[04:40] <corey_> hmm that could have been what was caussing it
[04:40] <corey_> i'll edit my xorg again
[04:40] <thoreauputic> Frafra: unless you are an expert or like pain, stay away from Breezy for a while
[04:40] <_kevin> is there a file search feature in ubuntu?
[04:40] <hondje> _kevin: for repositories or your harddrive?
[04:41] <_kevin> hd
[04:41] <cRaZy_love> click => www.geocities.com/mysexchat/
[04:41] <cRaZy_love> click => www.geocities.com/mysexchat/
[04:41] <reka> _kevin: locate
[04:41] <hondje> _kevin: try locate
[04:41] <p-h-i> just got great trouble with gnome-video-thumbnailer
[04:41] <Kyynara> E: Unable to find a source package for makefile
[04:41] <Kyynara> what does that usually mean?
[04:41] <hondje> whereis is kinda useful too, and of course find, but that's not as easy to use
[04:41] <cRaZy_love> click => www.geocities.com/mysexchat/
[04:41] <cRaZy_love> click => www.geocities.com/mysexchat/
[04:41] <p-h-i> google didn;' help yet
[04:41] <reka> any ops around?
[04:42] <thoreauputic> _kevin: there's a graphical gnome tool as well (I'm in fluxbox atm so I can't tell you the menu to look in)
[04:42] <reka> places->serach for files
[04:42] <_kevin> i'll look though
[04:42] <_kevin> ohh ok
[04:42] <thoreauputic> or gnome-search-tool I think
[04:42] <odie5533_> Are there any windows compilers that work natively to linux?
[04:42] <_kevin> i got the search for files in Places menu
[04:43] <sebby> oh shit dude
[04:43] <sebby> i accidently removed ubuntu-desktop
[04:43] <sebby> when uninstalling powernowd
[04:43] <thoreauputic> sebby: that's OK
[04:43] <Kyynara> E: Unable to find a source package for makefile <-- what does that usually mean?
[04:43] <thoreauputic> sebby: it's only a metapackage
[04:43] <goo> sebby: that's just a metapackage anyway
[04:43] <sebby> whats a metapackage.
[04:43] <reka> Kyynara: 1st of all, what are you doing that produces that?
[04:44] <hondje> Kyynara: did you run ./configure?
[04:44] <xenoxaos> is there any way grub can boot an iso image stored on the harddrive?
[04:44] <thoreauputic> sebby: a list of stuff it depends on, basically
[04:44] <sebby> ah ok
[04:44] <thoreauputic> sebby: so installing it gets all the needed bits
[04:44] <Kyynara> sudo apt-get build-dep aprq2_v1.17_src
[04:44] <Kyynara> that's what I'm trying to do?
[04:44] <hondje> Kyynara: oh, okay
[04:45] <Kyynara> I really don't have a clue if that should work... but it was worth a try?
[04:45] <reka> i dunno. i'm not you. :-)
[04:45] <hondje> That means there are only binaries in the repos
[04:45] <corey_> that wasnt the problem...
[04:45] <Kyynara> so I should get some src repos? or...
[04:45] <sebby> hey what the hell that is harsh
[04:45] <sebby> Unpacking powernowd (from .../powernowd_0.90-3ubuntu14_i386.deb) ...
[04:45] <sebby> Setting up powernowd (0.90-3ubuntu14) ...
[04:45] <sebby> This processor "Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1500MHz" is known _not_ to support power-saving.
[04:45] <sebby> a mobile cpu not supporting power saving? great :/
[04:46] <corey_> brb
[04:46] <Guerin> celeron == shit
[04:46] <hondje> Kyynara: I'd make sure each repo has a deb-src repo too, and if that's okay then I'd assume no one uploaded the package
[04:46] <sebby> i know but still... in windows the cpu halves..
[04:46] <hondje> What's wrong with a celeron?
[04:46] <sebby> my battery is gonna go flat very quickly if i cant do the same in nix
[04:46] <sebby> yeah i love my celeron
[04:47] <sebby> only two boxes that have been uberstable are my celly's.
[04:47] <hondje> it's not as powerful as a p4, but that doesn't mean there's something wrong with it
[04:47] <Kyynara> hondje: and how would I do that?
[04:47] <corza> umm u still there hondje?
[04:47] <corza> taking the dri out didnt work
[04:47] <hondje> Kyynara: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:47] <makoto> Hi all.  Could someone give me a hand.  I rebooted and one of my hard drives disapeared, i can't access it anymore.
[04:47] <Kyynara> yes.. but where do I get the deb source repos?
[04:47] <sebby> anyhow does that mean thats the end of cpu stuff?
[04:47] <corza> glxgears
[04:47] <corza> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:47] <corza> glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[04:48] <sebby> i mean ubuntu doesnt see my battery either so i think theres some common issues here
[04:48] <hondje> Kyynara: same ones, just replace deb at the front w/ deb-src
[04:48] <thoreauputic> Kyynara: they are already in that file - just uncomment them
[04:48] <Kyynara> ok
[04:48] <Kyynara> thanks
[04:48] <hondje> corza: you apt-get install nvidia-glx?
[04:48] <jaysinn> What is the command to turn off the postfix mail service? Hello
[04:49] <hondje> jaysinn: sudo /etc/init.d/postfix stop probably :)
[04:49] <jaysinn> thanks
[04:49] <corza> yes
[04:49] <jaysinn> how about to see the running services
[04:49] <thoreauputic> jaysinn: sudo  /etc/init.d/postfix  stop
[04:49] <hondje> corza: nvidia-kernel-source too, and all that?
[04:49] <corza> hanvent got that one just wait
[04:49] <corza> k downloading that one
[04:50] <sebby> So is there no other way of allowing me to slow my cpu down other than powernowd? i mean cmon.. windows throttles my cpu regardless of it being a celeron.. surely ubuntu can do it
[04:50] <corza> what else do i need?
[04:50] <hondje> dunno if it's needed, unfamiliar territory using apt for nvidia
[04:50] <hondje> corza: try apt-cache search nvidia
[04:51] <hondje> I'd imagine you'd just need nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source, but I'd have to rtfm
[04:51] <corza> hmm kernel-common??
[04:51] <makoto> can someone help me mount my slave drive please?  Im a bit at a loss here....
[04:51] <Xabbu|> makoto, sire
[04:51] <Xabbu|> makoto, sure
[04:51] <makoto> xabbu thanks!
[04:52] <corza> i think i have all i need there
[04:52] <makoto> xabbu, I had it mounted, rebooted and it had dissapeared
[04:52] <makoto> not idea why
[04:52] <Xabbu|> makoto, ah
[04:52] <reka> fstab
[04:52] <Kyynara> hondje: almost all of my src also have an deb-src... but can I add it to all my sources?
[04:52] <hondje> corza: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable?
[04:52] <Xabbu|> you have to put it in /etc/fstab for it to stay
[04:53] <Kyynara> i.e. the Backports...
[04:53] <hondje> Kyynara: Dunno, I'm fairly new to ubuntu, just know apt from debian
[04:53] <Kyynara> ok..
[04:53] <corza> hondje: i couldnt get that working for some reason
[04:53] <makoto> xabbu,  do you mind guiding me in doing that...Im a pure noob
[04:53] <corza> hondje: how do i get it working?
[04:53] <Xabbu|> sure
[04:53] <makoto> but willing and trying to learn
[04:53] <reka> Kyynara: you can take a look at the sample sources.list here: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[04:53] <hondje> corza: I'd apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx (and the others), and install using the drivers on nvidias' site
[04:54] <corza> no way
[04:54] <corza> i did that last time
[04:54] <corza> screwed my whole os
[04:54] <IcemanV9> dang! cd ripping sure runs at "grandma" speed (2.5x). i've tried the suggestions from wiki & forums - no improvement :(
[04:54] <hondje> I won't do it any other way, works on all distros :)
[04:54] <reka> IcemanV9: enabled DMA?
[04:54] <hondje> IcemanV9: dma?
[04:54] <corza> hmm
[04:54] <IcemanV9> dma is on
[04:55] <corza> i thinki might have to get config enable working
[04:55] <icecrash> hi
[04:55] <spanglesontoast> is there a way of making smeg work properly?
[04:55] <icecrash> I need a little help with bazaar
[04:55] <corza> Error: your X configuration has been altered.
[04:55] <hondje> corza: good luck :) documentation seems thin on those .debs
[04:55] <corza> This script cannot proceed automatically. If you believe that this
[04:55] <corza> not correct, you can update the md5sum entry executing the following
[04:55] <corza> command:
[04:55] <corza> md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | sudo tee /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum
[04:55] <corza> otherwise edit manually /etc/X11/xorg.conf to change the Driver section
[04:55] <corza> from nv to nvidia.
[04:55] <IcemanV9> !flood
[04:55] <ubotu> methinks flood is Head for the hills the flood has come! please use http://pastebin.com , http://ubuntu.pastebin.com or #flood here on freenode.
[04:55] <Kyynara> reka: yes, I've done that, but I also got some other sources from my friend, do you think that I could use them as de-src also?
[04:55] <icecrash> I already worked with tla before but I have problems starting with bazaar 1.3
[04:56] <hondje> corza: /query me, probably be faster
[04:56] <reka> Kyynara: depends on what those sources are.  most of what you will need will be in those repositories anyway.
[04:56] <hondje> I should just make a script to do nvidia-thinking
[04:56] <Kyynara> reka: but could I just try? :)
[04:57] <reka> Kyynara: why not?  wou'll find out anyway when you apt-get update
[04:57] <Kyynara> would it utterly destroy my comp if they werent deb-src? :)
[04:57] <icecrash> after initializing a tree and adding the sources i set the tree-version, made a log file and tried to import the whole tree
[04:57] <icecrash> finally i get "import: tree has no patch log for version"
[04:57] <icecrash> any ideas?
[04:59] <sebby> This processor "Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1500MHz" is known _not_ to support power-saving.
[04:59] <sebby>  * Starting powernowd...                                                 [ ok ] 
[04:59] <sebby> root@sebby:~ # powernowd
[04:59] <sebby> powernowd: PowerNow Daemon v0.90, (c) 2003-2004 John Clemens
[04:59] <sebby> powernowd: Found 1 cpu:
[04:59] <sebby> powernowd:   cpu0: 187Mhz - 1500Mhz
[04:59] <sebby> root@sebby:~ #
[04:59] <sebby> Yay baby i got it going!
[04:59] <reka> ubotu: tell sebby about flood
[04:59] <sebby> but the gnome applet wont recognise it still.. anyone got any clues?
[04:59] <sebby> ewps. yeah. sorry. got excited.
[05:01] <mfabbri> Hi
[05:01] <Kyynara> is pastebin working for anyone?
[05:02] <mfabbri> i'm getting some trouble in having calendar extension in firefox working... any suggestion?
[05:02] <reka> Kyynara: seems to have been flooded :-)
[05:02] <Kyynara> :)
[05:02] <reka> mfabbri: 1st of all, did you restart?
[05:02] <reka> firefox
[05:02] <mfabbri> yes
[05:03] <mfabbri> the strange is I'm getting an XML error on an external resource being not found
[05:04] <paranoid^^> can somebody help me ?
[05:04] <reka> paranoid^^: don't ask to asl.
[05:04] <hondje> paranoid^^: that's a hard question to answer
[05:04] <paranoid^^> i dont need asl
[05:05] <reka> hehe
[05:05] <hondje> If it's an ubuntu question, probably, but if you're wanting someone to babysit, for example, I bet not
[05:05] <reka> *ask to ask
[05:05] <mfabbri> chrome://calendar/locale/calendar.dtd
[05:05] <paranoid^^> I want to see my second hdd wich is on NTFS partition on mu linux
[05:06] <paranoid^^> I am new to linux
[05:06] <mfabbri> reka: if I type the resource locator in firefox it gets the resource, any suggestion?
[05:07] <lok> paranoid^^: http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[05:07] <Chetic> ooh, I want to sex up my gnome! what's a good site for Gnome themes etc?
[05:07] <paranoid^^> thnax i will a take a look :)
[05:08] <hondje> Chetic: lots in apt repos, apt-cache search gnome | grep theme
[05:08] <lok> Chetic: gnome-look.org
[05:08] <keffo> Chetic, www.gnome-look.org
[05:08] <reka> mfabbri: not really i'm afraid.  [1]  i don't use firefox [2]  i've never used the calandar extension
[05:08] <Chetic> hondje, oh I didn't know it worked like that too, awesome
[05:08] <reka> mfabbri:googled yet?
[05:08] <Chetic> thanks lok & keffo
[05:08] <hondje> Chetic: I just noticed that last night, nice of them
[05:09] <mfabbri> reka: googling... and foruming...
[05:09] <Chetic> hondje, this is odd.. "Invalid operation search"
[05:09] <reka> mfabbri: yeah, sorry i can't help.  i'd ask again later in here if you don't get a resolution
[05:09] <hondje> Chetic: Yes, that is odd
[05:09] <sebby> him okay, i can adjust CPU throttling with cpunowd start and stop, but the applet doesnt do anything in the gnome panel
[05:10] <Chetic> hondje, I have never searched before though.. something I should do?
[05:10] <reka> paranoid^^: you'll have to tweak the instructions.  that deals with an NTFS *partition*.  not NTFS on another drive.
[05:10] <hondje> Chetic: wait, maybe it's a different word fo swedes
[05:10] <mfabbri> reka: thanks anyway
[05:10] <paranoid^^> ok
[05:10] <makoto> Anyone here familiar with enabling Japanese input in Ubuntu?
[05:10] <hondje> Chetic: apt-cache -h and look for search
[05:11] <hondje> makoto: Sure, what's up?
[05:11] <Chetic> hondje, uhm.. how'd you know that? o_O
[05:11] <thenuke_> makoto: have you tried ubuntu.jp?
[05:11] <makoto> hi hondje
[05:11] <hondje> Chetic: lidnet.net resolves to .se
[05:11] <thenuke_> makoto: ok, no one in there :) just checked
[05:11] <paranoid^^> but its only read ??
[05:11] <paranoid^^> couse i would like to write also
[05:11] <hondje> ntfs writing is BAD
[05:11] <Chetic> hondje, search isn't even in there
[05:11] <makoto> thenuke ok thx
[05:11] <paranoid^^> ok
[05:12] <thenuke_> makoto: dont go in there ;) it's empty channel
[05:12] <ompaulAFK> hondje, the word writing was not needed :) but as you have said it
[05:12] <makoto> hondje could you help me set it up. i install umi but cannot get it to run
[05:12] <hondje> ompaulAFK: I'm trying to be all open-minded man ;-)
[05:12] <paranoid^^> so its better to make del the ntfs partition and than make a linux partition ?
[05:13] <hondje> makoto: Sure
[05:13] <hondje> makoto: It's not too hard, let me find the nice how-to
[05:13] <hondje> I got ubuntu typing in japanese and korean now
[05:13] <spanglesontoast> can I use a different shell to dash?
[05:13] <makoto> hondje can we private chat? If you don't mind....
[05:13] <makoto> ok
[05:13] <hondje> makoto: Sure
[05:14] <lok> spanglesontoast: like bash :p  ?
[05:14] <reka> spanglesontoast: sure, you can use bash. :-)
[05:14] <jaydeakin> Hi I am new to linux as a desktop  and need alittle help i want to try ardour as a digital audio workstation on this new install of ubuntu how do i go about it?
[05:14] <spanglesontoast> any differences?
[05:14] <Chetic> "configure:2254: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables" - Huh? How do I compile stuff? (that's from a ./configure script)
[05:14] <hondje> makoto: Just /msg or /query me, dcc is hosed here
[05:14] <francky> hi everybody
[05:14] <Amaranth> damn freenode
[05:14] <mulia> I want to mount extended partition, but there are mesages  below, can sombody help me
[05:14] <mulia> mulia@mulia:~$ sudo mount /dev/hda2 /media/windows/ -t vfat -o umask=000
[05:15] <mulia> Password:
[05:15] <mulia> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2,
[05:15] <mulia>        missing codepage or other error
[05:15] <mulia>        (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[05:15] <mulia>        instead of some logical partition inside?)
[05:15] <reka> Chetic: installed build-essential yet?
[05:15] <mulia>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[05:15] <IIIEars> Hondje - thats cool! :)  - Willing to share your experience on the ubuntu wiki?
[05:15] <mulia>        dmesg | tail  or so
[05:15] <Helmutt> I've installed libapache2-mod-python and wonder where the cgi-bin is!?
[05:15] <reka> ubotu: tell mulia about flood
[05:15] <francky> i'm looking for poeple who has a card sound based on the chipset Realtek ALC 850 under Ubuntu hoary
[05:15] <stjepan> hello
[05:15] <hondje> IIIEars: what experience?
[05:15] <Chetic> reka, no, how?
[05:15] <stjepan> do you use partition magic?
[05:15] <jaydeakin> hello
[05:15] <reka> actually, pastebin seems to be down
[05:15] <IIIEars> Ho did you get ubuntu to type korean?
[05:15] <ompaulAFK> Chetic, you did install g++ ?
[05:15] <reka> Chetic: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:15] <Amaranth> Helmutt: mod_python != CGI
[05:15] <Helmutt> Where is the cgi-bin?
[05:15] <IIIEars> I can't spell - :?
[05:16] <makoto> hondje : I searched the web and found some info but was not able to write in japanese after installing the input engines.
[05:16] <japoeder> What is a good program for burning audio cds from mp3?
[05:16] <Chetic> reka, oh I see.. yeah thanks
[05:16] <Helmutt> amaranth, isn't it?
[05:16] <dr_willis> japoeder,  i tend to use k3b
[05:16] <reka> IIIEars: no name-calling please. :-)
[05:16] <Amaranth> Helmutt: no, mod_python is so you can run python scripts without CGI
[05:16] <jaydeakin> does any one in here know how to help me ?
[05:16] <japoeder> thanks
[05:16] <makoto> hondje : I run KDE and most how to's are for gnome.
[05:16] <IIIEars> I really can't spell
[05:17] <hondje> IIIEars: http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/scim/
[05:17] <Amaranth> Helmutt: If you just want CGI you just need to chmod +x the python script, there is no cgi-bin (unless you set it up to need one).
[05:17] <IIIEars> sorry
[05:17] <hondje> plus I have a korean/english keyboard lying around
[05:17] <jaydeakin> I mean  . . . can i install other application other than those listed in the package manager?
[05:17] <_kevin> any one here use iroffer before? i installed it but i keep getting an error message stating no such file or directory for the config file but it's there
[05:17] <odie5533_> Is there a linux program debugger?
[05:17] <Helmutt> Amaranth, OK
[05:17] <reka> jaydeakin: sure you can.  it's probably not going to be as easy...
[05:17] <Amaranth> odie5533_: gdb
[05:17] <odie5533_> Does it work with cedega?
[05:17] <jaydeakin> thanks for talking an interest
[05:18] <jaydeakin> any idea howe i can get hold of a binary for ardour the digital audio workstation and get it running?
[05:18] <Amaranth> odie5533_: possibly with a CVS version, but they probably stripped debugging symbols out of the shipped version
[05:18] <odie5533_> Hmm I don't understand what you mean, can you explain it a bit?
[05:19] <makoto> hondje : you speak both japanese and korean?
[05:19] <hondje> makoto: Kinda
[05:19] <hondje> I took japanese in high school, grew up in hawaii, etc, so I got a decent grasp of it, and the missus is korean, so we talk a lot of that at home
[05:20] <makoto> sugoi nee! boku wa nihongo dake hanaseru, kankokugo wa zenzen wakaranai....
[05:20] <reka> jaydeakin: you can try and use "alien" to convert the available RPMs into .deb files.  then use dpkg -i <filename.deb> to install that way.
[05:20] <matt_> does hawaii have a lot of japanese people?
[05:20] <Amaranth> odie5533_: In order for gdb to give you a stack trace (showing you what called what from where you started until where you died, sort of) the program and libraries need to have the debugging symbols still. Everything you get from apt has these stripped (except -dbg packages) and I'm willing to bet cedega does too.
[05:20] <bigfoot> hello. I have a folder of rar files. When I double click on one, it says "file type not supported." do they need to be unpacked in terminal
[05:20] <bigfoot> ?
[05:20] <FlyingSquirrel32> Is there any way to secure NIS while still using DHCP?
[05:21] <hondje> makoto: 
[05:21] <jaydeakin> hmm i'm a bit well a lot of a newbie to desktop vversions of linux could you explain a bit?
[05:21] <hondje> :)
[05:21] <odie5533_> Hmm... I dont want to debug cedega, I want to debug programs cedega runs
[05:21] <makoto> sweet
[05:21] <reka> Amaranth: i think he might want a general debugger for system crashes.
[05:21] <lok> bigfoot: apt-get install unrar-nonfree
[05:21] <makoto> I need to do taht
[05:21] <dr_willis> bigfoot, you can unpack them from the terminal yes.
[05:21] <makoto> that
[05:21] <hondje> makoto: Did you get the link I sent you?
[05:21] <odie5533_> IE windows programs, debugging them on linux, if possible
[05:21] <sebby> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool <------does this mean i need to install perl
[05:21] <makoto> ehm, no
[05:21] <Helmutt> Amaranth, I uninstalled mod_python and chmoded the file and put it in documentroot, but my browser want to donwload it instead? What do I do?
[05:21] <makoto> missed it
[05:21] <hondje> makoto: http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/scim/
[05:21] <lok> sebby: juste a perl module
[05:21] <bigfoot> lok, i have that. now how do i unpack a folder with rar files, all at the same time?
[05:21] <seb128> libxml-parser-perl
[05:22] <cuti> hey
[05:22] <hondje> makoto: That one shows how to get it working w/ kde stuff too
[05:22] <lok> you already have perl
[05:22] <ompaulAFK> sebby, it means you need a perl module
[05:22] <cuti> anyone uses win4lin 5.1 here?
[05:22] <Amaranth> Helmutt: make sure you have '#!/usr/bin/env python' (without quotes) at the top of the script
[05:22] <makoto> hondje : ok thanks a lot!
[05:22] <reka> question: is it better to install via alien'd RPMs for other distros or from source?
[05:22] <stjepan> hmm
[05:22] <makoto> hondje : can I bug you if I stumble on something?
[05:22] <ompaulAFK> reka, better to find a .deb
[05:22] <hondje> makoto: Sure, if I'm around :)
[05:22] <reka> ompaulAFK: there isn't one available
[05:22] <something_else> this may sound a little stupid, but, how do i know whether inotify is enabled?
[05:22] <cuti> nobody uses win4lin 5.1?
[05:22] <makoto> hondje : thanks mate
[05:22] <mulia> wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2,
[05:22] <mulia>        missing codepage or other error
[05:23] <stjepan> swap partition must be ... primary or logical?
[05:23] <flipy> how can I configure bt? is there any config file? is there any ubuntu package for version 4.1.1? (I've looked the backports without success)
[05:23] <Helmutt> Amaranth, I got that in top...
[05:23] <dr_willis> mulia,  thats the generic mount "you did somthing wrong" mssage :P
[05:23] <lok> stjepan: both of them works
[05:23] <IcemanV9> it's great to see kanji characters in here :-) --> hondje makoto: 
[05:23] <stjepan> lok: What is better?
[05:23] <lok> primary I think
[05:23] <ompaul> reka then I would look for  source but I would be loath to do that given that the job is most likely available to be done with some .deb
[05:23] <mulia> dr_willis what did I do wrong?
[05:23] <dr_willis> IcemanV9,  hay! quit drawing Squiggles over my screen.
[05:23] <bigfoot> dr_willis, what command should i use to unpack more than one rar file at the same time?
[05:24] <hondje> If you use scim, and you're a honky like me, the trick is to use anthy for input..then you can type phonetically
[05:24] <dr_willis> mulia,  no idea,
[05:24] <IcemanV9> :P
[05:24] <Amaranth> Helmutt: hmm
[05:24] <Helmutt> Amaranth, Maybe we should take this in #python but ;) This is the code:
[05:24] <Helmutt> Amaranth
[05:24] <ompaul> reka, maybe a different app but the same job
[05:24] <Helmutt> #!/usr/bin/env python
[05:24] <Helmutt> import cgi
[05:24] <Helmutt> print "Content-Type: text/html"
[05:24] <Helmutt> print
[05:24] <Helmutt> print "<TITLE>CGI script output</TITLE>"
[05:24] <Helmutt> print "<H1>This is my first CGI script</H1>"
[05:24] <Amaranth> Helmutt: no clue then, sorry
[05:24] <Helmutt> print "Hello, world!"
[05:24] <reka> ompaul: it's for jaydeakin (a newbie)  he wants to install ardour [http://ardour.org/download.php] 
[05:24] <cuti> kkeeke
[05:24] <makoto> icemanV9 what input system do you use
[05:24] <dr_willis> bigfoot,  unrar e whatevber.rar or the name of the first rar file of a multi rar archive
[05:24] <Amaranth> Helmutt: Please don't paste in the channel.
[05:24] <hondje> m17n-ko-romanja does the phonetic thing in korean, too
[05:25] <ompaul> reka, ahh
[05:25] <makoto> icemanV9 there lots and Im lost as to which one is best
[05:25] <lok> Helmutt: use pastebin please
[05:25] <Helmutt> yeah...
[05:25] <hondje> makoto: what kind of keyboard are you using?
[05:25] <ompaul> well the alien can be useful but managing it going forward is a pain in the head
[05:25] <reka> ompaul: the install from source looks like a bitch
[05:25] <reka> it has a lot of libraries
[05:25] <hondje> makoto: If you're using one with english letters on it, use anthy :)
[05:25] <makoto> hondje : canadian multilingual ( I also type in french alot)
[05:25] <bigfoot> dr_willis, how do i know which is the first rar file? And if i put in the name of the first file, will the program automatically do the whole folder?
[05:25] <ompaul> reka, lets see what it does maybe there is a simular package
[05:25] <reka> official pastebin is down afaik
[05:25] <IcemanV9> makoto: i have no idea. sorry. i was just interested in seeing all languages that actually work in here :)
[05:26] <lok> bigfoot: the first is the rar one ;)
[05:26] <hondje> makoto: Anthy lets you type phonetically...like writing sugoi will do it in hiragana
[05:26] <metzen> bigfoot: the file with extension .rar  and yes
[05:26] <reka> ompaul: so alien?
[05:26] <makoto> hondje ; thats what Im looking for
[05:26] <IcemanV9> especially characters part
[05:26] <hondje> makoto: Then anthy you shall install :)
[05:26] <bigfoot> lok, metzen. Thank you so much. will try it now.
[05:26] <makoto> hondje : is that the page you sent me?
[05:27] <dr_willis> bigfoot,  noirmally a multi-rar archive is named lilke foo.r01 foo.r02 foo.r03
[05:27] <hondje> makoto: And if yu're really bored, m17n-ko-romanja does phonetic stuff in korean, too
[05:27] <ompaul> reka, it is available for ubuntu
[05:27] <dr_willis> bigfoot,  or some variation of that.
[05:27] <bigfoot> dr_willis, yes. true.
[05:27] <ompaul> reka, add all the repositories and it it is there
[05:27] <hondje> makoto: Yeah, when you set up IMEngine, you can remove all the ones you don't use
[05:27] <dr_willis> bigfoot,  so take a guess which is the first one. :P
[05:27] <makoto> handje : eeehhm maybe later, I'm over my head with japanese already. (I study 6 hours a day 5 days a week...)
[05:27] <reka> ah, i just showed ardour, not ardour-gtk.  thanks!
[05:27] <magog> anyone use enlightenment DR17?
[05:27] <IFRFLYR> doh
[05:27] <hondje> makoto: Then just hit ctrl-space and bam, anthy
[05:27] <ompaul> reka, :)
[05:27] <makoto> hondje : ok nice
[05:28] <IFRFLYR> Anyone have any experience with Compaq notebooks?
[05:28] <lok> magog: yes me
[05:28] <hondje> makoto: yeah, it's great :)
[05:28] <reka> ompaul: and it looks like he ran away.
[05:28] <ompaul> reka, it uses jack that can be a pain
[05:28] <bigfoot> dr_willis, actually, metzen said that the first one is the one with the ".rar" extension.
[05:28] <ompaul> might be back in a min or two
[05:28] <magog> lok, i want to try it....looks like pue eyecandy...have to install from cvs though right?
[05:28] <magog> *pure
[05:28] <hondje> If I could get korean fonts to line up right in firefox, I'd be all internationally cool
[05:28] <reka> damn
[05:28] <makoto> hondje : ok  i'll start on that now,,, might be back qith questions... thanks for the help mate
[05:28] <saik0> good morning #ubuntu
[05:29] <hondje> makoto: No worries, man
[05:29] <makoto> qith = with
[05:29] <dr_willis> bigfoot,  not from what ive seen.. but it can vary.   all the .rar ones ive seen are single rar archives.. but heck.. try them all :P
[05:29] <lok> magog: you can use the cvs and compile it or use shadoi package
[05:29] <hondje> I'll be gone in 30 mins for a few hrs, meeting w/ the boss
[05:29] <saik0> is there a way to view a user's pass from the command line?
[05:29] <lok> magog: http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/
[05:29] <magog> lok, tyvm
[05:30] <dr_willis> then you got the PAR files that work wth the RAR files for parity checking.
[05:30] <hondje> lok: Do his pkgs work in ubuntu?
[05:30] <corza> didnt work
[05:30] <lok> magog: but think that you must use : apt-get -b source [package] 
[05:30] <reka> saik0: i doubt it.  that'd be pretty bad security
[05:30] <hondje> well shit :)
[05:30] <hondje> corza: I'm out of ideas
[05:30] <IIIEars> Hondje - You know a lot about lanuage apps and making ubuntu work with them it would be a shame if you didn't add something to the ubuntu wiki.
[05:31] <hondje> IIIEars: I got the scim stuff from ubuntu forums
[05:31] <Chetic> How do I (permanently) add a directory to LD_LIBRARY_PATH?
[05:31] <flipy> how can I configure bittorrent and run it in a server without X?
[05:31] <hondje> IIIEars: but if there's nothing in wiki, I can drop it in
[05:31] <lok> Chetic: /etc/ld.so.config
[05:31] <saik0> reka, yea...this is the deal. I installed webmin to adminster another box but the only user it setup upon istallation was root, with root's password. So at the moment the whole webmin system is inacessible
[05:31] <bigfoot> dr_willis, lok, metzen, how come the unrar command works in terminal. but the GUI program (Archive Manager) can't deal with it? Is there a way to do things with in the GUI?
[05:32] <lok> hondje: his packets works only if you rebuild them with the command I have pasted
[05:32] <lok> otherwise I have a list of dep that are needed to recompile e17 from the cvs on ubuntu
[05:32] <hondje> lok: Yeah, saw that right after I asked :)
[05:32] <reka> saik0: someone might know of a way.  i'm not a guru i'm afraid.
[05:32] <nalioth> howdy
[05:33] <dooglus> 
[05:33] <hondje> lok: I already have most the libs installed, not too much hastle for me to use cvs
[05:33] <d3bian> howdy
[05:33] <makoto> hondje : already in trouble. im getting a command not found output when putting in the second command line : scim-tables-zh scim-tables-ja scim-tables-ko
[05:33] <bigfoot> I hear a lot about recompiling stuff (or was it recompiling kernel)... Anyway, i hear that recompiling means customizing. And if you recompile whatever-it-is, then it will run faster on your system. Is this true? Is this what recompiling is all about?
[05:33] <nalioth> reka: you've not found your place on the mountain top?
[05:33] <sebby> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[05:33] <sebby> ?
[05:33] <reka> nalioth: i'm an atheist. :-)
[05:33] <dr_willis> bigfoot,  the gui is just a front end - thats calling the terminal programs.. on mymachine the front end does work  at least in some cases.. it may be just missconfigured.
[05:33] <hondje> bigbootay: Normally if I recompile something, I add things, so it becomes bigger :)
[05:33] <anatole> re
[05:33] <lok> sebby: install g++ insteed of cpp
[05:33] <sebby> oki
[05:33] <fan_gnr> hey guys
[05:34] <nalioth> bigfoot: in some instances, recompiling can make a bit of a differnece
[05:34] <fan_gnr> I am learning C
[05:34] <bigfoot> dr_willis, how do i configure the gui to work as well as the terminal?
[05:34] <hondje> makoto: They're all one line, it just wraps on the page
[05:34] <fan_gnr> can't i use emacs for ubuntu?
[05:34] <nalioth> bigfoot: depends on WHAT exactly you are recompiling
[05:34] <odie5533_> sebby: type sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:34] <odie5533_> fan_gnr: type sudo apt-get install emacs21
[05:34] <fan_gnr> great
[05:34] <makoto> hondje : i see... arrg I hate my noobiness....
[05:34] <thoreauputic> fan_gnr: sure - sudo apt-get install emacs21 from memory
[05:34] <nalioth> reka: you can be an atheist guru on a mountain top
[05:34] <fan_gnr> this is my first time with irc.freenode
[05:34] <dr_willis> bigfoot,  no idea. i use the shell for such tasks.. it may be the gui cant handle multi-parts. never really worried about it.  im a shell kinda guy
[05:34] <hondje> usually recompiling for performance is a waste of time, IMHO
[05:34] <d3bian> better yet tyoe sudp apt-get install xemacs
[05:34] <sebby> checking for glib-2.0... Package glib-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[05:34] <sebby> sigh seriously
[05:34] <makoto> hondje : i'll try again
[05:35] <sebby> isnt there any way to let it install whatever the hell it needs
[05:35] <nalioth> bigfoot: the shell is your friend
[05:35] <dr_willis> bigfoot,  i dont even have any rars to test with it right now
[05:35] <bigfoot> nalioth, the conversation in this room about compiling was all greek to me. It only caught my attenttion because it said that the PC sped up.
[05:35] <fan_gnr> guys
[05:35] <reka> nalioth: did i mention i'm afraid of heights?
[05:35] <fan_gnr> I installed three linux distros simultaneously
[05:35] <hondje> bigfoot: compiling is taking code (words and numbers in txt files) and turning it into 1's and 0s
[05:35] <fan_gnr> i have problem detecting one of them
[05:35] <fan_gnr> how can i fix it?
[05:35] <bigfoot> Does anybody know whether "Archive Manager" (the gui program) can deal with multi-part rar archive files?
[05:35] <nalioth> bigfoot: well, if you recompile your kernel for YOUR system, the kernel itself can lose around 20-30 mb in size
[05:36] <nalioth> bigfoot: which makes it a little speedier
[05:36] <dr_willis> bigfoot,  may want to check the ubuntu wikis
[05:36] <hondje> bigfoot: That's a bit simplified, but basically it...recompiling is just taking the code and enabling different options and what-not
[05:36] <fan_gnr> i have installed ubuntu, mepis, slackware, windows
[05:36] <odie5533_> fan_gnr: explain detecting
[05:36] <fan_gnr> grub doesn't detect mepis
[05:36] <nalioth> reka: pick a wide mountain top
[05:36] <nalioth> :)
[05:36] <odie5533_> fan_gnr: add mepis yourself then
[05:36] <anatole> can somebody help me with installing java? i add the required repositories for java but aptitude-update says: Err ftp://ubuntujava.yimports.com binary/ Release.gpg
[05:36] <anatole>   PASS failed, server said: Login incorrect.
[05:36] <odie5533_> google grub tutorials
[05:36] <fan_gnr> yeah
[05:36] <fan_gnr> k
[05:36] <fan_gnr> i will do that
[05:36] <lok> hondje: http://pastebin.com/295951 << there is all the packages I have installed in order to compile the cvs
[05:36] <bigfoot> I'm a month old to the linux/ubuntu world, but if isn't hard to recompile kernels, then maybe I'll give it a try. I just hope I don't do anything that will mess things up.
[05:37] <magog> bigfoot, it wilkl
[05:37] <reka> nalioth: did i mention i'm lazy? that would be a lot of territory to defend.
[05:37] <hondje> lok: Yep, I did it last week most recently....for really no reason, I only run it in xnest
[05:37] <magog> bigfoot, it can extract multi part rars fine
[05:37] <bigfoot> magog, what did you say? I'm sorry, but i didn't catch you.
[05:37] <magog> bigfoot, i jus woke up :P
[05:38] <hondje> I hate compiling kernels
[05:38] <hondje> Always forget something, and never get a boost worth the effort
[05:38] <dr_willis> bigfoot,  the faq mentiuons rars ---->> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[05:38] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: if you decide totry compling a kernel, read the debian howtos about it - it will make it easier
[05:38] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: you'll need kernel-package for that
[05:38] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, how come ubuntu didn't customize itself when it installed itself on my computer?
[05:39] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: ?
[05:39] <dr_willis> 0_o
[05:39] <hondje> bigfoot: You mean make a custom kernel?
[05:39] <npiv> all cdrecord frontends have stopped working... cdrecord itself quits with cannot open /dev/pg1
[05:39] <npiv> which doent exit
[05:39] <npiv> exist
[05:39] <fan_gnr> is slackware similar to debian
[05:39] <fan_gnr> ?
[05:39] <bigfoot> Sorry. I re-read what i wrote and i confused myself, too. What i meant was "how come the UBuntu Installation process didn't tailor-make a kernel for my PC's specs". Yes what you wrote is what i mean.
[05:40] <hondje> fan_gnr: Not really, other than being linux distros
[05:40] <thoreauputic> fan_gnr: no
[05:40] <nalioth> reka only if your knowledge of your subject is lacking....lol
[05:40] <hondje> bigfoot: that'd be hard, and probably not work well
[05:40] <hondje> easier to just compile a stock kernel w/ a ton of modules
[05:40] <reka> bigfoot: do *any* distros do that?  let alone a supposedly desktop-oriented one?
[05:40] <dr_willis> ive never seen any disrto that custom makes a kernel in that way. :P
[05:41] <fan_gnr> how do i burn ISOs in ubuntu?
[05:41] <nalioth>  bigfoot back in the day (and still today) linux distros were compiled on a machine (say a pentium 233), and offered out to run on pentium II nad III (so the majority of hte users could use it)
[05:41] <hondje> For example, ubuntu install picked the wrong video card (onboard instead of pci)...I'd hate to have to recompile my kernel because the installer isn't brighter
[05:41] <fan_gnr> especially, GNOME?
[05:41] <d3bian_> fan do you have k3b or xcdroast installed
[05:41] <lok> fan_gnr: right click on the icon with nautilus
[05:41] <fan_gnr> no in GNOME
[05:41] <fan_gnr> k
[05:41] <lok> yes
[05:41] <bigfoot> reka, i'm a one-month old newbie. I'm not sure if your question was rhetorical or not. If it's not, i don't know the answer. Ubuntu is my first Linux experience.
[05:41] <nalioth> bigfoot: recompiling your stuff (if you had a PIII) would bring optimizations (cuz the pII and PII had new stuff on the processor)
[05:41] <dr_willis> fan_gnr,  you can use the cdrecord command from shell. or one of the many front ends/programs. :P I perfer k3b myself.
[05:41] <lok> and use burn to disk
[05:41] <d3bian_> fan i would advise you install nerolinux
[05:41] <admin0> how do I watch dvd's  ?
[05:41] <hondje> the optimizations aren't worth the hastle in my book
[05:42] <makoto> hondje : Hmm im almost done but I'm getting a permission denied with this command :  echo '"#!/bin/sh"' >> ~/.kde/Autostart/startscim
[05:42] <fan_gnr> will that work in GNOME?
[05:42] <reka> admin0: install libdvdcss2
[05:42] <dr_willis> admin0, --->   http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[05:42] <nalioth> fan_gnr: gnomebaker or graveman
[05:42] <d3bian_> admin0 download the libdvdcss library
[05:42] <IcemanV9> <-- is afraid to hack the kernel, but not afraid to hack FreeBSD kernel
[05:42] <fan_gnr> gnome baker.........a cd writing program or what
[05:42] <dr_willis> k3b runs find under gnome for me.
[05:42] <d3bian_> just ype sudo apt-get install libdvdcss
[05:42] <nalioth> d3bian_: why would you suggest that?
[05:42] <bigfoot> nalioth i have a PIII.are you saying that the kernel is geared towards a PI, a basic computer?
[05:42] <admin0> thanks d3bian
[05:42] <hondje> IcemanV9: Then install debian w/ freebsd kerlen :)
[05:42] <saik0> thoreauputic, is there a way to view a user's (in this case root's) password. I need to view the randomly generated password, not just change it.
[05:42] <reka> npiv: just what i'd do: restart so the devices/whatnot are unloaded and loaded again.
[05:42] <d3bian_> and then try installing kaffein or any xine project media player
[05:43] <IcemanV9> hondje: heh :P
[05:43] <admin0> saik0, nope
[05:43] <nalioth> bigfoot: i do not know what ubuntu is compiled on, i believe it is compiled on a pII (someone may know exactly)
[05:43] <bigfoot> d3bian, what's kaffein?
[05:43] <admin0> you can view via /etc/shaodw
[05:43] <thoreauputic> saik0: it's hashed/encrypted - the code would be in /etc/shadow IIRC
[05:43] <IcemanV9> i have tried to customize the linux kernel before and it messed up; not worth it.
[05:43] <hondje> makoto: use sudo?
[05:43] <d3bian_> sorry i meant kaffeine
[05:43] <flipy> how can I configure bittorrent for a console-only box?
[05:43] <makoto> hondje : I tried, also permission denied
[05:43] <bigfoot> d3bian, i have Xine. Whad do you mean by "any Xine project" mediaplayer?
[05:43] <d3bian_> flipy download ctorrent
[05:43] <hondje> IcemanV9: yeah, pita for a regular guy to get working
[05:43] <nalioth> bigfoot: kaffeine is a kde media player
[05:43] <saik0> admin0 and thor:  =(
[05:43] <flipy> d3bian_ ok
[05:43] <d3bian_> ok then ur good bigfoot
[05:44] <fan_gnr> is there any inbuilt media player in ubuntu that playes .vob files
[05:44] <nalioth> flipy: use the bt*.py in a console
[05:44] <d3bian_> you see kaffeine is based on Xine
[05:44] <lok> flipy: there is a text client of bittorent
[05:44] <fan_gnr> i mean present in warty cD?
[05:44] <saik0> Anybody here familiar with webmin then?
[05:44] <lok> juste give it a open port
[05:44] <d3bian_> there are alot of media players who base on xine libs
[05:44] <flipy> but i want to open the requested ports for bittorrent
[05:44] <fan_gnr> like what would i install from the CD?
[05:44] <flipy> is there any config file for it?
[05:44] <d3bian_> u can instal kaffeine wihout having kde installed
[05:44] <hondje> makoto: hrm, ls -l $HOME/.kde | grep Autostart
[05:45] <d3bian_> just type apt-get install kaffeine
[05:45] <fan_gnr> i am quite of a newbie
[05:45] <bigfoot> I have multiple media players on my system: mplayer, xine, totem, vlc. I wonder if i need them all.
[05:45] <lok> flipy: you haven't a firewall with ubuntu
[05:45] <d3bian_> and all the dependencies are going to be kde libs
[05:45] <fan_gnr> wouldn't that give rise to some sort of dependency problems?
[05:45] <hondje> bigfoot: probably not
[05:45] <flipy> but i do have a router
[05:45] <IcemanV9> oh my goodness; AOL is offering a free, web-based email. blah!
[05:45] <lok> then configure your router to open some port
[05:45] <hondje> I use xine w/ totem to watch stuff, but acidrip needs mplayer (and still isn't working right), etc
[05:45] <makoto> hondje : that seemed to work
[05:45] <reka> d3bian_: : vlc is good apparently.  and not a kde app.
[05:45] <d3bian_> flipy u have to understand that bittorrent is just a prog to download torrent files
[05:46] <hondje> makoto: What did it say? I was wanting to see the permissions on the folder :)
[05:46] <d3bian_> u can use many infinite apps to download them
[05:46] <lok> and look at the doc of btdownload to see how make a config file
[05:46] <dr_willis> i seem to find a few videos that play well in mplayer, but not xine, and so forth. :P not sure what the exact issue is.. but i keep them all around just in case.
[05:46] <d3bian_> bittorrent just happened to be the original
[05:46] <flipy> d3bian_ but I guess I have to config it to go throug some ports
[05:46] <makoto> pablo@DESKTOP:~$ ls -l $HOME/.kde | grep Autostart
[05:46] <makoto> drwx------  2 pablo pablo 4096 2005-06-06 11:40 Autostart
[05:46] <d3bian_> no not really
[05:46] <fan_gnr> thanks guys, nice talkin to you for the first time on freenode
[05:46] <Murlocdundee> hey
[05:46] <bigfoot> d3bian, do i need kaffein, with the 4 abovementioned programs that i already have? is it better?
[05:46] <d3bian_> once u download it them just type ctorrent whateverfile.torrent
[05:46] <d3bian_> and he rest is over
[05:46] <hondje> makoto: okay, so that's fine... try sudo -s so you're root, and then running the command again
[05:46] <nalioth> flipy: best way. DMZ the puter you are on
[05:47] <d3bian_> of course u can always do man ctorrent and see al their options
[05:47] <d3bian_> no u dont bigfoot
[05:47] <flipy> d3bian_: i didn't find any ctorrent on the repositories
[05:47] <d3bian_> if u already have xine then you are good
[05:47] <d3bian_> is just that kaffeine ismore user friendly
[05:47] <bigfoot> d3bian,  i see. i like user-friendliness.
[05:47] <d3bian_> it will figure out what u have to install to have a fulll media plkg
[05:47] <hondje> oh, and I use mplayer for the firefox plugin...too many of tem
[05:47] <d3bian_> pkg
[05:48] <bigfoot> d3bian, you mean kaffein will get everything (all codecs)?
[05:48] <d3bian_> u have to download from sourceforge.net flipy
[05:48] <nalioth> flipy: you should have btdownload*.py in your puter already. these are mostly terminal apps (ones that have 'gui' in them are not)
[05:48] <Murlocdundee> do you know where i could download the plone skin the ubuntu's website is build with ?
[05:48] <hondje> now if I can get transcode to friggen build
[05:48] <makoto> hondje : worked. thanks.  I there a way to always have root.  Ubuntu is annoying for that. Always asking for password and denying access.
[05:48] <d3bian_> no it wont get all the codecs for you
[05:48] <nalioth> bigfoot: kaffeine uses the codecs on your system
[05:48] <d3bian_> but itll tell u which oes are u missing to run everything u want
[05:48] <flipy> nalioth: yes, i do have that
[05:48] <hondje> makoto: sudo -s will keep you as root until you log out of the terminal...you can tell because your prompt becomes # instead of $
[05:49] <d3bian_> then all u have to once u finf what u want then apt-get install whatever is required
[05:49] <nalioth> hondje: where are you havin trouble with t-code?
[05:49] <d3bian_> foe example
[05:49] <d3bian_> if u want to wazth wmv files
[05:49] <bigfoot> d3bian, so maybe i should just get kaffein, install it, have it tell me what i'm missing, get what i'm missing, then remove it. What do you think of this plan? does it make sense?
[05:49] <d3bian_> then kaffeine will tell uto install the w32 codecs
[05:49] <hondje> nalioth: It keep dying on strange ogg-vorbis references in an ffmpeg library
[05:49] <d3bian_> then all u have to do is
[05:49] <d3bian_> apt-get install w32codecs
[05:49] <d3bian_> and the next time u open kaffeine ull be set
[05:49] <nalioth> hondje: so install the ogg stuff
[05:49] <bigfoot> i tthink i already have the w32codecs, though.
[05:50] <dr_willis> wowsers i just got my first spam on gmail. :P  and ive given out my address to no one.
[05:50] <hondje> nalioth: all the ogg stuff was installed
[05:50] <makoto> hindje : ok thanks.  I did everything on the page but ctrl- space does not bring out language menu... what gives?
[05:50] <bigfoot> dr_willis, did you use your email address on a website?
[05:50] <nalioth> hondje: even the ogg*-dev stuff?
[05:50] <d3bian_> it sounds good but if i was you i wouldnt remove kaffeine
[05:50] <lok> hondje: did you install theora codec  ?
[05:50] <makoto> hondje : should I reboot?
[05:50] <d3bian_> trust me is a hell of an app
[05:50] <hondje> makoto: nah
[05:50] <lok> (theora is for video in a ogg file)
[05:50] <hondje> nalioth: yes
[05:50] <d3bian_> besides they have a strong core of developers and support for it
[05:50] <hondje> lok: yes
[05:50] <d3bian_> rather than xine
[05:51] <d3bian_> Xine project is gettin attacked my big Corps
[05:51] <nalioth> hondje: hmmm, i got it compiled on my PPC w/o problems
[05:51] <VanWirem> Is there any reason to prefer Ubuntu instead of debian?
[05:51] <nalioth> hondje: what hardware ya got?
[05:51] <d3bian_> as well as Mplayer so those two apps will be closing down soon
[05:51] <nalioth> VanWirem: user friendliness
[05:51] <hondje> nalioth: That was on a p4
[05:51] <lok> VanWirem: packages versions
[05:51] <d3bian_> the thing with kaffeine is thaat is backed up by KDE
[05:51] <VanWirem> lok, you mean more updated versions?
[05:51] <hondje> since the ffmpeg libs weren't working, I built ffmpeg myself, and then got different errors
[05:51] <d3bian_> which holds alot of power in the opensource market
[05:51] <hondje> after like 3 hrs, I gave up
[05:52] <bigfoot> d3bian, but if Xine and kaffein can play the same types of files, if their foundation likes on the codecs, then the only difference is the user-frinendliness, right?
[05:52] <SanderD> I've just plugged in a MX510 mouse in my USB port; how do I install it?
[05:52] <admin0> anyone successfully configured an internal tv card with the latest ubuntu  ?
[05:52] <d3bian_> u got it
[05:52] <nalioth> hondje: if you've installed EVERYTHING with ogg or vorbis or theora in it, then i guess you should look for "pirate" repos (just for transcode)
[05:52] <d3bian_> not only that like i said Xine will no onger be available pretty soon
[05:52] <bigfoot> d3bian, yes, i went to mplayer's homepage and they have a big "We're being attacked" sign. I wonder then why all other similar programs, such as kaffein, won't be attacked.
[05:52] <d3bian_> so there goes ur support
[05:52] <d3bian_> and new upgrades
[05:52] <d3bian_> as well ass patches se what im syin
[05:52] <thoreauputic> d3bian: rubbish
[05:52] <nalioth> hondje: are you using a non-mainstream arch?
[05:52] <d3bian_> sayin
[05:53] <hondje> nalioth: My friend was building transcode pkgs for slack, I was going to have him take a look
[05:53] <d3bian_> u have to look down the road
[05:53] <hondje> nalioth: Nope, i686
[05:53] <bigfoot> xine won't be avaliable? coz of the Corps?
[05:53] <hondje> Nothing odd in my cflags
[05:53] <nalioth> hondje: hmmm
[05:53] <d3bian_> becuase kaffeine has the support of KDE
[05:53] <hondje> nalioth: Normally I'd blame my idiocy, but I brought the errors to the Wise Coders and they said it was just crap :)
[05:53] <thoreauputic> d3bian: this is FUD
[05:54] <nalioth> hondje: but it doesnt make sense
[05:54] <bkinman> What is multiverse?
[05:54] <IcemanV9> d3bian: did xine annouced that they'll be closed down?
[05:54] <d3bian_> KDE is an actual business not like Mplayer which is a whole bunch of developers like me who wanted to view files under linus when they were ni apps at the time
[05:54] <bkinman> Rather, multiuniverse
[05:54] <ompaul> wrt mplayer and other such projects the situation is very simple there is an attempt to lock down what a user may do with software and this attempt is being funded by people with a lot of money who would love DRM on your desktop
[05:54] <nalioth> hondje: i'm the red-headed-stepchild (PPC user) and it compiled fine for me
[05:54] <hondje> one of the problems was it wasn't going back to its header, so a drug-out switch statement was dying
[05:54] <hondje> nalioth: and for everyone else but me, it's odd
[05:54] <lok> d3bian: mplayer is a great player
[05:54] <d3bian_> it is lok
[05:54] <lok> it's not a codec question
[05:55] <hondje> total near-newbies compiling transcode away, and I got stuck :)
[05:55] <_linuxAS_> good afternoon
[05:55] <zakame> hello all
[05:55] <SanderD> How do I install a USB mouse? Just plug it in and it should work?
[05:55] <lok> but all the stuff that can it make, I'm not sure that coders wants only to view what they want
[05:55] <thoreauputic> SanderD: yup
[05:55] <lok> they also make a real player
[05:55] <SanderD> okay, then something's wrong here :-)
[05:56] <ciocanel> SanderD, yes... if you have hotplug service running
[05:56] <bigfoot> magog, i read the wiki. it doesn't say how to use the GUI program "Archive Manager" to treat multipart rar files.
[05:56] <ompaul> to help understand the background a very good talk that was given by Larry Lessig at the OSBC 2005 that is on the www.itconversations.com site
[05:57] <bigfoot> magog, i'm sorry. I see it now.
[05:57] <nalioth> bigfoot: if you point 'archive mangler' at the first of the multipart set, it should open all of them
[05:57] <SanderD> ah, I forgot the plug in the mouse step, never mind :-)
[05:58] <thoreauputic> SanderD: that step always helps *grin*
[05:58] <bigfoot> nalioth, and the first one is the one named .rar, right? Well, i've tried. not working . MaYBE i should do what the FAQ wiki says and do "sudo ln -s /usr/bin/unrar /usr/bin/rar"
[05:58] <nalioth> bigfoot: or just "unrar x filename.rar"
[05:58] <bigfoot> nalioth, the faq wiki (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions) says that it's becaues there is a bug in file-roller (archive manager)
[05:59] <bigfoot> nalioth, yes, but i was trying to avoid the terminal.
[05:59] <SanderD> now I get this error when trying to configure my MX510 in KDE: ?You have a Logitech Mouse connected, and libusb was found at compile time, but it was not possible to access this mouse. This is probably caused by a permissions problem - you should consult the manual on how to fix this.? (maybe I should ask this question in #kde)
[05:59] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: some people have apparently had better luck with "unrar-nonfree" from multiverse
[05:59] <bigfoot> by the way, how come there are two names for one program: file-roller and Archive Manager?
[05:59] <nalioth> bigfoot: i'm sorry to say this: but the terminal is where your fine control of linux comes into play
[05:59] <lok> it's not luck
[06:00] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i did get that, and it works fine in terminal. I just wanted to do things in gui. 8)
[06:00] <lok> just that most (all?) of the rar that you'll have have been made by winrar
[06:00] <lok> so ...
[06:00] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: file-roller is the command - Ubuntu renames it to be more obvious
[06:00] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i see. you must have experiences with other distros. 8-)
[06:00] <nalioth> bigfoot: cuz there are 2 proggys?
[06:00] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: similarly, Music Player is "rhythmbox"
[06:01] <flipy> can I run bittorrent.py as a deamon? (or in background?)
[06:01] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: heh - yes a bit ;)
[06:01] <d3bian_> yes u can flipy
[06:01] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i think ubuntu was right in giving the programs easier-to-understand names. 8)
[06:01] <flipy> d3bian_ how?
[06:01] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: sire
[06:01] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, so is ubuntu your love now?
[06:01] <thoreauputic> haha
[06:01] <nalioth> flipy: you can run any terminal app in the background
[06:01] <thoreauputic> *sure i meant
[06:01] <d3bian_> try man bg and see all its options
[06:01] <flipy> the fact is that i'm connected via ssh
[06:01] <nalioth> flipy: just append a "&" at the end of the command
[06:01] <flipy> no
[06:02] <nalioth> flipy: however i'd recommend you look at "screen"
[06:02] <flipy> nalioth that does not work
[06:02] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: yes, i like Ubuntu :) I still have an old Debian box here though
[06:02] <flipy> what is "screen"?
[06:02] <nalioth> flipy hang on a min and ill tell ya
[06:02] <bigfoot> it will be nice if we ubuntu users can share in shuttleworth's wealth.
[06:02] <flipy> thanks pals
[06:02] <ompaul> flipy, screen - screen manager with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation
[06:02] <zakame> flipy: isn't that what's in front of you? or the terminal multiplexor?
[06:02] <reka> thoreauputic: so what are your thoughts on the whole ubuntu is bad for debian thing?
[06:02] <thoreauputic> d3bian: bg is a shell built in - it has no man page
[06:02] <virtuald> how do i run a forth program?
[06:03] <thoreauputic> help bg will give a summary
[06:03] <Chetic> I want to install a plugin for xmms but it says it can't find "gtk-config" or "xmms-config" and also beleive xmms 0.9.5.1 or later isn't installed when it infact is.. please help
[06:03] <flipy> well i'm in front of my notebook
[06:03] <flipy> but ssh-ed to my server
[06:03] <flipy> trying to set up bittorrent to download a iso
[06:03] <flipy> (btw, my server does not have X, so everything is via console)
[06:03] <thoreauputic> reka: I think Murdock has a point - I'd hate to see debs go the way rpm has
[06:04] <thoreauputic> reka: that said, as long as Ubuntu keeps in touch with Debian, it could be good for everyone
[06:04] <nalioth> flipy: check this out, its near the bottom
[06:04] <nalioth> flipy: screen is very well worth the time learning it
[06:04] <flipy> oks :)
[06:04] <nalioth> flipy http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2004/07/06/unix_gems.html
[06:05] <reka> thoreauputic: well, this is my first debain-based distro.  i'd like to move to debian in the future.
[06:05] <}x{|CeRbErUs> does Hoary uses somekind of firewall out of the box
[06:05] <lok> reka: why do you want to use debian ?
[06:05] <S2> }x{|CeRbErUs, no.
[06:05] <}x{|CeRbErUs> pffffffffffffff
[06:05] <nalioth> }x{|CeRbErUs: ubuntu is 'listen-only' out of the box
[06:05] <}x{|CeRbErUs> i'm getting nuts here
[06:05] <thoreauputic> reka: not much point moving back to debian for me - Ubuntu does all the things I need and is virtually the same
[06:05] <}x{|CeRbErUs> i forwarded port 8000 on my router
[06:05] <reka> lok: i've heard good things.  and i think i'd learn more with it.
[06:05] <dooglus> saik0: no user passwords are stored on a Linux system
[06:06] <}x{|CeRbErUs> but still my box is not reachable on the net
[06:06] <lok> reka: don't think that ubuntu is only for friendly-users ;)
[06:06] <nalioth> reka: just install fedora 4 and spend a few weeks with RPMs, and you'll see why debian is so popular
[06:06] <jfk303> hey, what software can I use for .ace archives?
[06:06] <reka> lok: yes, that is the impression i have got. :-)  so i'm mistaken?
[06:06] <thoreauputic> reka: a lot of debian people are moving to Ubuntu anyway, it seems
[06:06] <dooglus> saik0: if you want to try to guess a user's password, "apt-get install crack" can help
[06:07] <reka> nalioth: i've used mandrake before.  :-)
[06:07] <nalioth> reka: close enough
[06:07] <thoreauputic> reka: you can do pretty much anything in Ubuntu that debian does
[06:07] <reka> thoreauputic: well, you and lok have changed my mind i guess. :-)
[06:07] <dooglus> nalioth: what is the big difference between .rpm and .deb?  As far as I can see they're very similar, functionally
[06:07] <d3bian_> reka are u using Debian right now
[06:08] <lok> reka: it's what made ubuntu so popular both new and experienced user can use it like they wants
[06:08] <flipy> nalioth: thanks!
[06:08] <reka> d3bian: no. :-)
[06:08] <nalioth> dooglus: the dependency system in RPMs leaves a lot to be desired
[06:08] <reka> hoary
[06:08] <d3bian_> u ever of the saying that saying , "if is not broke dont fix it
[06:08] <dooglus> nalioth: go on?
[06:08] <thoreauputic> dooglus: the main trouble isn't rpm so much as the weird variety of different rms
[06:08] <dooglus> thoreauputic: there's only one rms!
[06:09] <nalioth> dooglus: rpm -i pkgname should install pkgname
[06:09] <reka> lok: i know some geeky people who i reckon scoff behind my back though. :-)
[06:09] <d3bian_> see the difference between pure Debian users and Ubuntu is the following
[06:09] <thoreauputic> dooglus: like SUSE and Mandriva are  not compatible with Redhat
[06:09] <synd> whats the easiest/best VNCserver app for Win?
[06:09] <dooglus> although he is a weird variety, from what I hear
[06:09] <nalioth> dooglus: but if its a deeply dependent proggy, more often than not you get
[06:09] <thoreauputic> dooglus: sorry typo ;)
[06:09] <linukso> synd: tightvnc or realvnc
[06:09] <thoreauputic> and yes, there's only one RMS !
[06:09] <nalioth> dooglus: you need file1.rpm, file2.rpm, file3.rpm
[06:09] <IcemanV9> synd: tightvnc
[06:09] <d3bian_> Ubuntu works so well beause the smart guys that designed picked the laest kernel at thetime which seems to be compatible with just bout everything
[06:09] <nalioth> dooglus: so you do and try to install file1.rpm and IT tells you
[06:09] <Xenguy> synd: ultravnc
[06:09] <d3bian_> Debian distors dont do that they usually some out with smoe old forsaken kernel
[06:10] <nalioth> dooglus: you need file1a.rpm, file1b.rpm and so on
[06:10] <synd> linukso, IcemanV9, Xenguy: thx
[06:10] <nalioth> dooglus: its called "RPM hell"
[06:10] <dooglus> nalioth: the same goes for if you're downloading and "dpkg -i"ing .deb files
[06:10] <d3bian_> and then u have to reconfig ur whole box again
[06:10] <reka> nalioth: isn't there "yum"?
[06:10] <lok> yum is for suse only no ?
[06:10] <synd> linukso, IcemanV9, Xenguy: which would you prefer for an computer illiterate female?
[06:10] <dooglus> nalioth: rpm based systems have evolved tools to chase down the dependancies, just like apt-get does
[06:10] <ompaul> there are a lot of rpms out there that have different dependancies and they all break each other so to get a working system much software dancing may have to take place including mad stuff like calling one library another version number just to get some non version dependand relevant sys call
[06:10] <synd> linukso, IcemanV9, Xenguy: on Win, of course
[06:11] <d3bian_> no yum is for all ropm based distros
[06:11] <nalioth> dooglus: yes but the apt-clones for RPM are still stuck in RPM hell
[06:11] <zakame> indeed
[06:11] <d3bian_> *rpm
[06:11] <nalioth> dooglus: i've used yum on yellowdog and it suX0rs
[06:11] <Xenguy> synd: nod
[06:11] <dooglus> on mandriva, "urpmi get mono" will download and install all the dependancies, just like "apt-get install mono" will here - but with less typing
[06:11] <d3bian_> yelllodog desinged the prog nalioth
[06:11] <dooglus> I used yum at work on CentOS and it was absolutely horrible
[06:11] <lok> dooglus: make an alias for apt-get install
[06:11] <reka> d3bian: are you running debian?
[06:11] <jeroen_> nalioth, rpm hell is: package 1 needs package 2, which needs package 3 >2.03421.1, which needs package 1 :p
[06:11] <thoreauputic> dooglus: yes, but a Mandriva RPM won't necessarily work on SUSE, for example
[06:12] <nalioth> d3bian_: yes, and it has to deal with rpm repos and design, and RPMs suX0r
[06:12] <dooglus> jeroen_: exactly the same thing happens with .deb files - they have chained dependancies, too
[06:12] <nalioth> jeroen_: yup
[06:12] <ompaul> dooglus, but if you want to run openvpn on mandriva (or at least mandrake 10.1) you had to go playing silly games
[06:12] <jeroen_> dooglus, apt it :)
[06:12] <d3bian_> im running a debian based LFS system with the best of both world
[06:12] <d3bian_> but yes I am running Debian
[06:12] <linukso> synd: either one... think their quite similar
[06:12] <IcemanV9> synd: install it and you shall see! :)
[06:12] <nalioth> dooglus: but apt-get resolves dependencies, relegating dpkg to the actuall installaion
[06:12] <ompaul> dooglus, and believe me I like openvpn wherever I am :)
[06:12] <IcemanV9> synd: i have used it a lot on win
[06:12] <reka> d3bian: ah.  was wondering why you'd hang out in #ubuntu.  but then again i took a peek in #debian.
[06:13] <reka> and got flamed. :-/
[06:13] <d3bian_> because ubuntu is the new wave reka u have to ride it
[06:13] <nalioth> reka: hope your posterior was sunblocked
[06:13] <thoreauputic> reka: normal behaviour for #debian ;)
[06:13] <reka> nalioth: gurus don't use sunblock
[06:13] <reka> :-)
[06:14] <synd> IcemanV9: see, i dont have a win box to try them out on :/
[06:14] <d3bian_> besides i like enjoy this channel
[06:14] <nalioth> reka: ok wise one
[06:14] <ompaul> nohup bigbang &
[06:14] <reka> i don't know if it was my fault though.  i asked a question about dpkg.
[06:14] <ompaul> heh
[06:14] <nalioth> synd: so why are you after them?
[06:14] <nalioth> reka: better than asking about rpm
[06:14] <synd> nalioth: ?
[06:14] <reka> and they told me just b/c #ubuntu didn't know, i shouldn't have come to #debian
[06:14] <nalioth> synd: if you have 0 filthyboxen, why are you after win32 apps?
[06:14] <ompaul> reka what you wanted was #linuxhelp but dont tell them you are using ubuntu :)
[06:15] <IcemanV9> synd: ah. i have done it @ work (win shop).
[06:15] <reka> ompaul: they have a higher than thou complex?
[06:15] <synd> nalioth: im going to get my friend to put it on her Win box, so i can fix her problems
[06:15] <avinoam> What is the best P2P software for linux?
[06:15] <synd> avinoam: gtk-gnutella
[06:15] <thenuke_> avinoam: uff, depends on p2p
[06:15] <synd> avinoam: torrent
[06:16] <thenuke_> anatole: you should know that there is not just one P2P
[06:16] <avinoam> synd doesn't limewire include those files?
[06:16] <synd> avinoam: gtk-gnutella is a separate app
[06:16] <synd> avinoam: limewire is junk, imho
[06:16] <avinoam> i understand
[06:16] <thoreauputic> reka: they are very territorial ...
[06:16] <ompaul> reka,  no they are confused they keep saying things ubuntu != Linux and Fedora != Linux  and I used to say they are all subsets of GNU/Linux and that up some other peoples noses
[06:16] <reka> d3bian: i agree about this channel being great.  though i probably spend too much time here.
[06:17] <avinoam> installing gtk-gnutella
[06:17] <Tommy|> are there any p2p networks where the downloader does not need to open ports? my router is screwed up and opening ports doesn't work...
[06:17] <reka> ompaul: i've heard that before ... it's not linux... linux is the kernel ... they're right though.
[06:17] <nalioth> synd: so use the "Remote Desktop Assistant" in winXP <snort>
[06:17] <synd> nalioth: does that work? you gotta be kidding
[06:18] <ompaul> at the end of the day they are all linux with diffent wrappers and get called distros - at one time that place was like #mandrake
[06:18] <lok> reka: but a distrb linux works (at 95%) in the same way under the mask
[06:18] <jeroen_> synd, remote desktop works with rdesktop, and (optionally GUI) grdesktop
[06:18] <nalioth> synd: would i recommend (seriously) ANY winduhs app to y'all? i think not
[06:18] <IcemanV9> you can use "Terminal Server Client" to access win box?? no need to install anything special on win box?? correct???
[06:18] <avinoam> synd what is bad about limewire?
[06:18] <ompaul> anyway enough of my negative vibes
[06:18] <synd> jeroen_: ah. makes sense.
[06:18] <synd> nalioth: good point
[06:18] <Tommy|> so um about the p2p software... any where one doesn't have to open ports to download?
[06:19] <kestas> why am I getting choppy dvd playback in totem?
[06:19] <synd> kestas: try xine
[06:19] <kestas> its not using much processing power
[06:19] <kestas> synd: well its using xine isnt it?
[06:19] <synd> kestas: is your DMA onn?
[06:19] <kestas> hmm Ill check
[06:19] <synd> on*
[06:19] <kiosk> hi all. How to give recently createt user minimum privileges -- ie he can not use any program but browser...
[06:19] <thoreauputic> Tommy|: how do you propose to make peer to peer connections without opening ports?
[06:19] <kestas> synd: ah no it aint
[06:19] <reka> kestas: http://ubuntuguide.org/#speedupcddvdrom (replace /dev/cdrom with /dev/dvd)
[06:20] <synd> kestas: man hdparm
[06:20] <reka> ^^^enabling DMA
[06:20] <Tommy|> well, i can get DCC sends in irc... but yeah, that makes sense
[06:20] <kestas> reka: theyre both symlinks
[06:20] <kestas> makes no diff
[06:20] <reka> kestas: ah.  my bad.
[06:20] <Tommy|> ugh this router is horrible
[06:20] <Tommy|> it's a generic store brand or something
[06:20] <Tommy|> i need a linksys -_-
[06:20] <IIIEars> reka - that is -THE- tip. - Thanks
[06:21] <kiosk> hi all. How to give recently createt user minimum privileges -- ie he can not use any program but browser...
[06:21] <reka> IIIEars: ?
[06:21] <reka> i did what now?
[06:21] <reka> :-)
[06:21] <IIIEars> didn't see it in the guide i guess. - lol
[06:21] <Tommy|> okay, python does not work at all for
[06:21] <Tommy|> me
[06:22] <Tommy|> it can't import modules
[06:22] <Tommy|> so no gtk or pygame or etc.
[06:22] <reka> kestas: hmmm.  what if you have to CD drives?
[06:22] <reka> *two
[06:22] <kestas> reka: not sure
[06:23] <reka> i think that's why i said to change them to /dev/dvd
[06:23] <kestas> yup thats much smoother now
[06:24] <kestas> you think that eh? why would the dvd be playing slowly if I wasnt using the right device node?
[06:24] <d3bian_> exit
[06:24] <reka> eh?
[06:25] <_kevin> in order to get the firefox extentions and new themes i have to un-install firefox then re-install it by downloading the source and compiling it?
[06:25] <anubis> I want to completely wipe Gnome from my ubuntu
[06:25] <reka> _kevin: is it complaining about version?
[06:26] <anubis> apt-get remove gnome-desktop
[06:26] <anubis> will that do it?
[06:26] <anubis> or do I need to download kubuntu
[06:26] <_kevin> ye
[06:27] <hippy_s> does ubuntu work with the same comands of debian
[06:27] <bkinman> Where do i get the package that will fix this dependency? libmp3lame.so.0?
[06:27] <nalioth> _kevin: what?
[06:27] <reka> _kevin: yes, it's complaining about version?
[06:27] <_kevin> yes
[06:27] <anubis> hippy_s, of course
[06:27] <nalioth> reka: fix him up
[06:27] <reka> type about:config in the url
[06:27] <reka> nalioth: i forgot the value :-)
[06:27] <Efwis> can anyone help me on a sound issue? i am running Hoary, but the sound system goes into a continuos loop from the login screen. I have disabled soudn server at startup, make a sound when ready to login on the login setup. I know I still have some sound because I get sound on the net
[06:28] <egg|hitchhiker> reka:  o_o
[06:28] <hippy_s> how many discs do i need to install ubuntu amd64
[06:28] <_kevin> i'm there
[06:28] <egg|hitchhiker> I am
[06:28] <anubis> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[06:28] <anubis>   gnome gnome-desktop-environment gnome-fifth-toe
[06:28] <egg|hitchhiker> anubis:  hehe
[06:28] <anubis> will that be all of it?
[06:28] <reka> egg|hitchhiker: O_O
[06:29] <reka> _kevin: iirc, type in app.version
[06:29] <anubis> Gnome apparently is not finished
[06:29] <egg|hitchhiker> gtk +1
[06:29] <reka> n the filter
[06:29] <reka> *in
[06:29] <hippy_s> how can i install thw xwindows enviroment in order to install fluxbox
[06:29] <anubis> hippy_s, you don't have to
[06:29] <Tommy|> gotta love bittorent...
[06:29] <Tommy|> 1.6-0.9 kb/s downloads
[06:29] <egg|hitchhiker> bt was dead
[06:29] <thoreauputic> _kevin: the value in about:config is something like "vendorSub"
[06:29] <hippy_s> anubis: so what do i need to do
[06:29] <thoreauputic> change that to 1.0.4
[06:29] <Tommy|> because my dumb router doesn't work when i open ports
[06:30] <reka> thanks thoreauputic
[06:30] <nalioth> _kevin: search for "1.0.2" and see if its next to a line with "vendorsub" in it (or something like that)
[06:30] <anubis> hippy_s, what are you trying to do? apt-get install fluxbox
[06:30] <_kevin> huh I'm confused, I'm the about:config
[06:30] <_kevin> ok
[06:30] <nalioth> _kevin: when ya find that line, change the value to 1.0.4
[06:30] <anatole_> re
[06:30] <anatole_> umm, how to remove the icons of mounted cdroms and usb devices from the desktop?
[06:30] <Efwis> the value will originally show as 1.0 on taht _kevin
[06:30] <thoreauputic> _kevin: if you type "vendo" in the box at the top, you'll see it
[06:30] <zimba-tm> hi
[06:31] <nalioth> Efwis: reka i dont use ff, either
[06:31] <thoreauputic> *vendor
[06:31] <hippy_s> anubis: apt-get install will do it?
[06:31] <nalioth> thoreauputic: vendo, vendor, it'll be found
[06:31] <reka> anatole: guess: right-click->unmount
[06:31] <thoreauputic> nalioth: yes, true
[06:32] <anatole_> reka: no i don't want to unmount them
[06:32] <anatole_> i just want that when i instert a cd the icon does not appear on the desktop
[06:32] <Tommy|> 100 bites/second and droppping on this torrent
[06:32] <Tommy|> KILL ROUTER DEATH
[06:32] <reka> anatole: ah, you want to hide them.  you'll need to edit a gconf setting iirc
[06:32] <egg|hitchhiker> Tommy|:  no, ISP sucks
[06:33] <reka> apps->sys->config editor
[06:33] <_kevin> ok working now thanks
[06:33] <Tommy|> well i open like anything on my router
[06:33] <Tommy|> and it doesn't work
[06:33] <hippy_s> how can i use the torrent files
[06:33] <Tommy|> like shoutcast servers, teamspeak servers, torrents, p2p, apache
[06:33] <egg|hitchhiker> Tommy|:  b*ater*s
[06:33] <Tommy|> none of it
[06:33] <thoreauputic> _kevin: :)
[06:33] <Tommy|> i need a linksys router
[06:33] <jeroen_> hippy_s, just d/l the .torrent and run it with your favorite bittorrent program
[06:33] <reka> anatole: apps->nautilus->desktop: uncheck "volumes visible"
[06:33] <Tommy|> this one you have to open ports one by one for god's sake
[06:33] <jeroen_> Tommy|, buy one
[06:34] <egg|hitchhiker> linksys <- cheap
[06:34] <Tommy|> well my dad is evil and probably will be wondering why i'm getting a new router
[06:34] <Tommy|> he's a security freak
[06:34] <reka> anatole: try that
[06:34] <egg|hitchhiker> I prefer D-Link
[06:34] <Tommy|> and is like LOL IF YOU OPEN PORTS YOUR COMPUTER WILL EXPLODE
[06:34] <hippy_s> it is better to use the torrent files to download some iso image
[06:34] <Tommy|> or something
[06:34] <Tommy|> it's annoying -_-
[06:34] <anatole_> reka: thank you very much, it work :)
[06:34] <anatole_> s
[06:34] <nalioth> Tommy|: so give him the old one
[06:34] <egg|hitchhiker> --___--
[06:35] <Tommy|> nalitoh, i live with my parents
[06:35] <reka> Tommy|: my dad tells me about new viruses :-)
[06:35] <Tommy|> i'm using their computers and their network which they pay for
[06:35] <reka> anatole_: sure
[06:35] <egg|hitchhiker> what virus?
[06:35] <Tommy|> and my dad says OH NO IF YOU OPEN PORTS H4X0RS CAN SEE WHAT IS GOING OVER THE CONNECTION
[06:35] <bkinman> When i have something waiting to be installed, as in it wants to be installed every time i try to apt-get something, how do i tell it that i changed my mind and that i dont want to install it?
[06:35] <jeroen_> virus? Where?
[06:35] <Tommy|> so yeah he won't let me open ports
[06:35] <jetscreamer> Tommy|: your dad is a god
[06:35] <egg|hitchhiker> jeroen_:  here?
[06:35] <jetscreamer> i love him
[06:36] <Tommy|> thankfully, the router's password change doesn't work, so i can log in with admin/admin
[06:36] <reka> jeroen_: he reads about the major ones in the paper.
[06:36] <Tommy|> but it's pointless because THE PORTS DON'T GODDAMN OPEN
[06:36] <egg|hitchhiker> You are virus all
[06:36] <IFRFLYR> Anyone have any substantial experience with Compaq notebooks?
[06:36] <jeroen_> Tommy|, no, that's safe, admin/admin password
[06:36] <nalioth> Tommy|: can you see DMZ?
[06:36] <egg|hitchhiker> what's DMZ 0.0?
[06:36] <Tommy|> yes, but it's supposed to make your computer quite vulnurable
[06:37] <Efwis> de-militarized zone lol
[06:37] <egg|hitchhiker> well,what's TMD?
[06:37] <nalioth> Tommy|: are you runnin linux?
[06:37] <Tommy|> yes...
[06:37] <Tommy|> ubuntu, obviously...
[06:37] <nalioth> then DMZ is quite safe
[06:37] <nalioth> Tommy|: for YOUR box only
[06:38] <bkinman> I guess what my real question would be is this: I have a package on hold, it is half-installed or something, i want to get dpkg to stop pestering me about it and forget it.
[06:38] <Tommy|> well, it's hooked up to other comps and tha'ts what my dad's afraid of
[06:38] <nalioth> Tommy|: you'd be surpised at the number of peeps in here, NOT using linux
[06:38] <egg|hitchhiker> I am running ms-linux :P
[06:38] <bkinman> Anyone know?
[06:38] <egg|hitchhiker> hehe
[06:38] <reka> nalioth: really?  i haven't seen any of them.
[06:38] <nalioth> Tommy|: you have a router, but your particular box is feeding other puters after it?
[06:39] <Tommy|> um
[06:39] <Tommy|> what do you mean by feeding other computers?
[06:39] <nalioth> reka: caught a few in here t'other day runnin xchat on windows 5.1
[06:39] <jeroen_> Tommy|, it doesn't matter whether it's hooked up, because you specify *your* IP
[06:39] <reka> bkinman: how is dpkg pestering you?
[06:39] <Tommy|> i didn't set any of this up so yeah
[06:39] <nalioth> Tommy|: how many NICs are in your box?
[06:39] <Tommy|> dunno
[06:39] <egg|hitchhiker> what's IP?
[06:40] <nalioth> Tommy|: like jeroen_ sez, you only spec your IP in the DMZ setting
[06:40] <thoreauputic> nalioth: quite a few people IRC from work in a windows-only shop, I would guess
[06:40] <egg|hitchhiker> NIC?
[06:40] <bkinman> reka: when i try to apt-get install something it mentions zm, a package i tried to install a while back but it had unmet dependancies, since then i have changed my mind and dont want to install it.
[06:40] <reka> egg|hitchhiker: en.wikipedia.org
[06:40] <egg|hitchhiker> hehe
[06:40] <Tommy|> look, all i know is that my dad says that if someone got into my comp they could get to the other comps "on the network" as in the others in this house
[06:40] <nalioth> Tommy|: at that point, only yer puter is exposed
[06:40] <egg|hitchhiker> free?
[06:40] <nalioth> Tommy|: not if you use linux
[06:40] <egg|hitchhiker> o.0
[06:40] <Tommy|> hmm
[06:40] <nalioth> Tommy|: on winduhs, yes, your whole house network would be pwned
[06:41] <nearlyn00b> i just booted off an ubuntu live cd (latest 5.04) i only have 3 screen resolution options: 640x480, 800x600 and 832x624
[06:41] <Tommy|> i've tried talking to him about that but he doesn't listen
[06:41] <nearlyn00b> how can i force another resolution?
[06:41] <Tommy|> nearly- what graphics card do you have?
[06:41] <nalioth> Tommy|: you have the knowledge now
[06:41] <egg|hitchhiker> Tommy|:  from 50 miles away?
[06:41] <nearlyn00b> cyber something
[06:41] <nearlyn00b> trident one
[06:41] <Tommy|> what brand?
[06:41] <nearlyn00b> trident
[06:41] <M_Fatih> hey.. hi all
[06:41] <M_Fatih> how are you..?
[06:41] <reka> bkinman: not sure i can help you.  but posting the full error might be helpful for others: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/
[06:41] <egg|hitchhiker> sos
[06:41] <egg|hitchhiker> soso
[06:41] <nearlyn00b> i get 1024x768 with windows, feather linux, damn small linux, etc
[06:42] <M_Fatih> i'm using buntu, i'm newbie in debian..
[06:42] <Tommy|> trident... i think that's a type, not a brand
[06:42] <nearlyn00b> its a brand
[06:42] <M_Fatih> how can i configure my network?
[06:42] <Tommy|> brands are like nvidia or ati
[06:42] <Tommy|> hm
[06:42] <egg|hitchhiker> DSL is out-of-date
[06:42] <nearlyn00b> its an integrated chipset in a laptop
[06:42] <Tommy|> well, you might have to look around for graphics drivers
[06:42] <nearlyn00b> DSL is not out-of-date
[06:42] <egg|hitchhiker> it is
[06:42] <nearlyn00b> the latest one was released <1 month ago
[06:42] <Tommy|> colleges having eleventy jillion gb/s doesn't count, egg :P
[06:43] <egg|hitchhiker> old-school
[06:43] <nearlyn00b> and it works really well on my comps (266 & 550 mhz celerons)
[06:43] <nalioth> thoreauputic: i think a couple of them were linux wannabes (got quite upppity defending their winduhs)
[06:43] <thoreauputic> egg|hitchhiker: umm .. I think you are confused
[06:43] <hippy_s> does ubuntu supports ati radeon video cards
[06:43] <egg|hitchhiker> ...
[06:43] <Tommy|> yes, hippy_s
[06:43] <Tommy|> there's graphics drivers for ATI somewhere
[06:43] <jeroen_> nearlyn00b, you might have to change xorg.conf, but since you're on a live CD :-/
[06:43] <egg|hitchhiker> there is a new hot distro
[06:43] <Chetic> ati.com?
[06:43] <egg|hitchhiker> better
[06:44] <thoreauputic> egg|hitchhiker: the reason DSL seems old-school is that it uses small, low resource programs in order to fit in 50MB
[06:44] <reka> nearlyn00b: the usual way of fixing that problem involves editing xorg.conf or reconfiguring the xorg package.  i don't know if you can do that with the live cd.
[06:44] <nearlyn00b> ive even got the VTs runnin in 1024x768 framebuffer (vga=791)
[06:44] <egg|hitchhiker> hehe
[06:44] <egg|hitchhiker> <50M
[06:44] <hippy_s> how can i install and those drivers and set up the xwindows
[06:44] <nearlyn00b> thats why i like DSL
[06:44] <nearlyn00b> it works so well on older machines
[06:44] <jansen> hi bob2
[06:44] <nearlyn00b> its got firefox on it
[06:44] <reka> hippy_s: what card do you have?
[06:44] <nearlyn00b> abiword
[06:44] <Chetic> Why do I get this everytime I put my root password in one of those gnome boxes?: "Failed to run /usr/bin/gnome-app-install: Wrong password." (the password is not wrong)
[06:45] <Efwis> heh, I have DSL running on my old 486
[06:45] <reka> Chetic: you type in *your* password.
[06:45] <egg|hitchhiker> poor cdrom
[06:45] <reka> not root's.
[06:45] <thoreauputic> Chetic: it wants your user password
[06:45] <jansen> i wanna use the mrtg on my ubuntu,but how to configure it?
[06:45] <Chetic> reka, uhm.. ok I see :p
[06:45] <thoreauputic> Chetic: it uses sudo
[06:45] <hippy_s> reka: i have an ati radeon 9600 video card on my laptop
[06:45] <Chetic> ok ok thanks
[06:45] <jeroen_> thoreauputic, Chetic probably gksudo
[06:46] <nearlyn00b> maybe ill go and killall Xorg and gdm, edit Xorg.conf and start gdm again
[06:46] <nearlyn00b> thatll be fun
[06:46] <thoreauputic> jeroen_: yes, gksudo is just the graphical front end
[06:46] <reka> hippy_s: ubuntu shoud work fine for 2d.
[06:46] <reka> hippy_s: if you want 3d support:
[06:46] <reka> ubotu: tell hippy_s about fglrxinstall
[06:46] <|Ivanch0|> hi sb knows how can i mount a pendrive device whiout reboot?
[06:47] <jeroen_> |Ivanch0|, plug it in
[06:47] <dip> black13: you can emerge vmware-workstation
[06:47] <AirWays> How I can put Finnish language to my Irssi?
[06:47] <dip> wrong room, sorry
[06:47] <_Church_of_FoamY> in my computers bios i have a setting for os/2 for memory greator than 64mb
[06:47] <thoreauputic> dip: umm ...
[06:47] <|Ivanch0|> jeroen_, :)
[06:47] <_Church_of_FoamY> if i enable this will it increase the performance of my box?
[06:47] <noobuntu> hej, has anyone experience here with wlan and the rtl8180 chipset?
[06:48] <noobuntu> or maybe with wlan on pcmcia in general?
[06:48] <reka> nalioth: ahah.  spotted my first gentoo? user in this channel.
[06:48] <jeroen_> _Church_of_FoamY, if you're running os/2 and have >64Mb memory, yes :)
[06:48] <jetscreamer> do you run os/2?
[06:48] <hippy_s> reka: is the 3d support only for games?
[06:48] <jetscreamer> what he said
[06:48] <jetscreamer> no it's for anything you wanna do in 3d
[06:48] <_Church_of_FoamY> no i was wondering if it would increase the proformance of ubuntu?
[06:48] <jetscreamer> only if you run os/2
[06:48] <jetscreamer> so the point is moot
[06:48] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh ok
[06:48] <nalioth> reka: i really wouldnt care, but one user got so very defensive of windows, (and other behavior) i just had to check
[06:48] <_Church_of_FoamY> aahhh i see
[06:49] <nearlyn00b> my video card is a Trident Microsystems Cyber 9525
[06:49] <noobuntu> nobody? im really desperate
[06:49] <_Church_of_FoamY> um what is os/2 anyway?
[06:49] <nearlyn00b> ibm+ms os
[06:49] <Efwis> os/2 was an old os for IBMs and original apple Macs
[06:49] <stianh> Hey people
[06:49] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh i see
[06:49] <nearlyn00b> wikipedia's that way -->
[06:49] <jjesse> at my work we still use os/2
[06:49] <nalioth> _Church_of_FoamY: it is still used in ATMs all over the country
[06:49] <reka> hippy_s: not sure what you mean, but yes, you'd likely want 3d support for games (or some of the cool screensavers) :-) otherwise ubuntu should owrk fine without needing to install any driver for your card, but it will s/ware render.
[06:49] <_Church_of_FoamY> really wow
[06:50] <jjesse> nod nalioth a large large portion of atm use it
[06:50] <jeroen_> jjesse, there's also windows atm, which crash and run wmp ;)
[06:50] <jjesse> also the fedline machines (machines used to connect to the  federal reserve still run DOS
[06:50] <jjesse> nod jeroen_ i work for a bank, network admin
[06:50] <_Church_of_FoamY> neat
[06:51] <jjesse> our phone banking "server" still runs os/2
[06:51] <reka> i was under the impression DOS is insecure.
[06:51] <reka> *unsecure?
[06:51] <jeroen_> reka, insecure, not unsecure
[06:51] <reka> not secure
[06:51] <jeroen_> reka, like inefficient
[06:51] <_Church_of_FoamY> COBOL is that part of os/2
[06:51] <thoreauputic> _Church_of_FoamY: no :)
[06:51] <egg|hitchhiker> why?
[06:52] <jeroen_> _Church_of_FoamY, COBOL is older
[06:52] <jjesse> the fed started to switch over to NT, but by the time it was almost finished, 2k was out
[06:52] <jjesse> so they started working on a port to windows 2000, but then XP came out
[06:52] <reka> jeroen_:yeah, just sounded too much like a human trait.  got confused. :-)
[06:52] <thoreauputic> _Church_of_FoamY: it's an old programming language
[06:52] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh ok
[06:52] <jjesse> so now they are working on using the web with secure certificates and stuff
[06:52] <egg|hitchhiker> Is COBOL better than Python?
[06:52] <thoreauputic> hahah
[06:52] <_Church_of_FoamY> yea i think i seen it in a computer musieum in ct
[06:52] <Chetic> How do I make nautilus act like it used to? I want the picture preview thing on the left and description and all that.. also it shouldn't open a new window everytime I open a folder
[06:52] <jeroen_> Chetic, it's in the options
[06:52] <reka> thoreauputic: how old must *you* feel? :-)
[06:52] <jjesse> grin these young kids :)
[06:53] <ompaul> Cobol is something I should not admit I know anything about, I used to use it 25 years ago
[06:53] <nalioth> jeroen_: the pix preview is in the options?
[06:53] <Chetic> jeroen_, if you mean preferences; no it's not..
[06:53] <thoreauputic> reka: oh, I'm ancient ;)
[06:53] <Efwis> cobol is still used today by insurance companies
[06:53] <_kevin> sudo apt-get install gdesklets to install the gdekslets?
[06:53] <jeroen_> reka, even I know what COBOL is, and I'm 14 :-/
[06:53] <egg|hitchhiker> COBOL is the best language
[06:53] <egg|hitchhiker> forever
[06:53] <ompaul> and it was old then :) it is in use on main frames mostly
[06:53] <reka> Chetic: yes it is.  behaviour: always open in browser
[06:53] <thoreauputic> reka: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/dil-unix.gif
[06:53] <jeroen_> Chetic, listen to reka ;)
[06:53] <noobuntu> if dont get this piece of shit running the dark side of force will become strong again
[06:54] <ompaul> it is only seven spaces away from insanity
[06:54] <Chetic> jeroen_, ok I guess that's the only thing I didn't check, sorry :P
[06:54] <_Church_of_FoamY> <--wonders if os/2 would be good for gaming
[06:54] <Chetic> thanks reka
[06:54] <reka> jeroen_: so do i :-)  _Church_of_FoamY didn't.
[06:54] <reka> Chetic: running warty aren't you?
[06:54] <Chetic> reka, hoary
[06:54] <egg|hitchhiker> COBOL beats java,python,php,flash...
[06:54] <reka> Chetic: weird.  that should be default iirc
[06:54] <reka> in hoary
[06:54] <_Church_of_FoamY> i diden't what?
[06:54] <ompaul> egg|hitchhiker, for main frames maybe
[06:54] <thoreauputic> egg|hitchhiker: Fortran IV $ ever!
[06:54] <reka> know waht COBOL was
[06:54] <Efwis> _Church_of_FoamY; os/2 can't support games that are out now
[06:55] <QMario> How can I upload a .png file so that everyone can maybe help me with my undescribable problem?
[06:55] <ompaul> RPGII now there was a language
[06:55] <egg|hitchhiker> COBOL beats fortran too
[06:55] <_Church_of_FoamY> damn
[06:55] <_Church_of_FoamY> well it was an idea
[06:55] <goo> So, what's the easiest way to get the latest OpenOffice.org 2 build on Ubuntu ?
[06:55] <Chetic> reka, you wouldn't know if gstreamer can be used in nautilus somehow? I have some weak memory of it.. (and I also just installed swf support for gstreamer)
[06:55] <jeroen_> Chetic, yeah, it's sortof disguised ;) stupid option
[06:55] <Efwis> nto a bad idea, but that OS is a dinosaur, it would be like running win95
[06:55] <reka> jeroen_: damn.  14 yr olds use linux now?
[06:56] <stianh> Hey, suggestions for a good GUI code editor with decent project functionality (pref. Gnome env.)?
[06:56] <Chetic> reka, I used linux when I was 12 or 11..
[06:56] <_Church_of_FoamY> well win 95 was a bomb
[06:56] <reka> Chetic: isn't gstreamer support patchy atm?  i think i use a xine backend.
[06:56] <nalioth> reka so about the pix preview in nautilus?
[06:56] <egg|hitchhiker> COBOL program is hard to read for hackers
[06:56] <egg|hitchhiker> so it is good
[06:56] <Chetic> reka, a xine backend you say?.. hmm
[06:56] <jeroen_> reka, been using it for 2 years, now exclusively
[06:56] <reka> chesty: _: damn.  11 yr olds use linux now?
[06:56] <reka> :-)
[06:56] <_Church_of_FoamY> but i'm off to start muckin with my linuxbox i'll be back in a bit
[06:57] <nalioth> Chetic: i believe if you hover over a music file, it plays automagically
[06:57] <_Church_of_FoamY> so i'll be back later
[06:57] <_Church_of_FoamY> peace
[06:57] <jeroen_> nalioth, only mp3
[06:57] <nalioth> Chetic: while your mouse is hoverd over it, that is
[06:57] <reka> i was playing aladdin in DOS when i was 14
[06:57] <egg|hitchhiker> reka:  15 years old?
[06:57] <jeroen_> reka, sounds like fun :p
[06:57] <Chetic> nalioth, but I want video files and swf files to be played
[06:57] <goo> (and BBS, of course)
[06:57] <nalioth> Chetic: get to programming
[06:58] <Chetic> nalioth, riiight...
[06:58] <egg|hitchhiker> reka:  minix is 16+ years old
[06:58] <reka> Chetic: nautilus can't do it afaik
[06:58] <reka> like nalioth said
[06:58] <egg|hitchhiker> what's "BBS"
[06:58] <reka> why you'd want to ....
[06:58] <QMario> How do I move the panel from the left side of the screen to back where it normally was?
[06:58] <jeroen_> egg|hitchhiker, some prehistoric forum thing, IIRC
[06:58] <reka> QMario: hold and drag :-)
[06:59] <egg|hitchhiker> sounds bad
[06:59] <Chetic> reka, well I know I've had gstreamer somehow play files and gstreamer can now play swf files
[06:59] <reka> Chetic: in nautilus?
[06:59] <Chetic> reka, yeah
[06:59] <hippy_s> what is cobol used for?
[06:59] <nalioth> reka: know anything about a pix preview (not iconized) in nautilus?
[06:59] <jeroen_> hippy_s, programming
[06:59] <Efwis> is there a way to get around my sound issue?? do I need to recompile alsa or my kernel??
[07:00] <jeroen_> hippy_s, creating computer progrmas
[07:00] <ompaul> bbs was a 'bulletin board system' some had interenet connectivity, and the fun thing was that it could take a few days to deliver email as various systems and hops were not connected all the time
[07:00] <reka> nalioth: afaik, no.  that's what gqview or pornview is for.
[07:00] <reka> Efwis: what problem?
[07:00] <hippy_s> but for what kind of programs is cobol mostly used?
[07:01] <thoreauputic> hippy_s: commercial stuff mostly
[07:01] <_kevin> how do i change the way the login screen looks
[07:01] <thoreauputic> hippy_s: insurance etc
[07:01] <ompaul> hippy_s, for the management of data sets
[07:01] <jeroen_> _kevin, it's in the options
[07:01] <reka> _kevin: sys->admin->loginscreen
[07:01] <ompaul> telcos & financials
[07:01] <_kevin> ahh found it
[07:01] <nalioth> reka: yes, i have many graphics viewers, was interested in the internal (using dead space on bottom left side)
[07:01] <hippy_s> ok
[07:02] <nalioth> reka: what happned to the weather page in evolution?
[07:02] <Efwis> I have sound on the net, but I had to turn it off in Gnome. had a continuous loop of question.wav from the lgoin screen
[07:02] <Efwis> err lgoin
[07:02] <reka> Efwis: nevermind found it.
[07:02] <Efwis> dammit login
[07:02] <reka> reka: how should i know? :-)
[07:03] <hippy_s> is cobol more like assambly
[07:03] <Efwis> I just dumped evolution for tbird today, it wouldn't accept my email accoutns for my business website
[07:03] <reka> Efwis: if you're desperate, you could try this:
[07:03] <nalioth> reka: reka oh guru of all knowledge, i thought i'd ask
[07:03] <reka> ubotu: tell Efwis about fixsound
[07:04] <QMario> \me
[07:04] <Efwis> whats fixsound?
[07:04] <yahalom> i created a pgp key and i cant find it anywhere? any ideas?
[07:04] <reka> QMario: keep it in the channel please: post your pic here: http://tinypic.com/
[07:05] <thoreauputic> hippy_s: no, COBOL is a much higher level language than assembly
[07:05] <reka> Efwis: i sent you a link in a pm.
[07:05] <hippy_s> like c?
[07:05] <synd> how does one find their external IP on windows via cmd?
[07:05] <reka> ubotu: tell Efwis about fixsound
[07:05] <synd> ifconfig?
[07:05] <Efwis> i got it thanks
[07:05] <Efwis> looking now
[07:05] <hippy_s> is cobol better than c?
[07:06] <thoreauputic> hippy_s: no
[07:06] <hippy_s> so
[07:06] <nalioth> just an aside...ANYONE know where the weather thing went in evolution?
[07:06] <reka> synd: ipconfig iirc
[07:06] <Efwis> Cobol is the predacessor to COBOL
[07:06] <hippy_s> what does it mean
[07:06] <reka> QMario: post your pic here: http://tinypic.com/
[07:06] <reka> ah
[07:07] <ompaul> hippy_s, hourses for courses, it had its time in the sun, it was mostly the cause of the programming rush coming up to y2k
[07:07] <desrt> common [something]  business oriented language or something
[07:07] <synd> reka: thx
[07:07] <thoreauputic> hippy_s: COBOL is old and litle used now except by some companies who have a lot of stuff written in it long ago
[07:07] <reka> QMario: eek
[07:07] <desrt> COmmon business oriented language
[07:07] <nickrud> QMario, use the configuration editor and go to apps/panel/toplevels/top_panel_screen0. There's a key called orientation, change that to top
[07:08] <hippy_s> ok thats cool
[07:08] <Malsid> Anything that integrates buisness into it's name automatically earnes my distrust.
[07:08] <nickrud> QMario, apps->system-tools->configuration editor. apps/panel etc is in the tree to the left
[07:08] <ompaul> Malsid, in particular business news
[07:09] <Malsid> lol
[07:09] <jeroen_> nickrud, not the left for him :p
[07:09] <wrenc> can someone help me get the sound working on a thinkpad t22, I've checked the forums but there doesn't seem to be a resolution........ the card in the device manager as Cirrus Logic CS46xx and even shows in the volum control but I don't get any sound hmmmm
[07:09] <reka> QMario: personally i'd remove the icons (you can add them again later) then right click on the empty panel and select properties.  then decrease the size (which IMO is the bigger problem).
[07:09] <joeljkp> does anyone know of a forum site that lets you rate individual posts?
[07:10] <xukun> it would be realy nice if the tab auto completion work, mine only works if I dont use the sudo command first
[07:10] <Dent> ubuntuforums.com
[07:10] <reka> wrenc: no sound at all?
[07:10] <jeroen_> xukun, file a feature request
[07:11] <thoreauputic> xukun: you can enable it in /etc/bash.bashrc
[07:11] <wrenc> reka, only get the system sound when I make an error........ volume is turned up ;)
[07:11] <Frafra> hi all
[07:11] <nalioth> QMario: thems some really visible icons
[07:11] <Frafra> i've upgraded to breezy
[07:11] <Frafra> xorg doesn't work
[07:11] <Frafra> now i'm on a live
[07:12] <Frafra> what i must do?
[07:12] <reka> wrenc: that's good news.  tells us your soundcard is at least recognised.  so, you'd like sound in what?
[07:12] <thoreauputic> xukun: look for the comment in that file that says "# enable bash completion in interactive shells"
[07:12] <nalioth> Frafra: recommend you reinstall hoary and stay away from breezy til it becomes a "release candidate"
[07:12] <GammaRay> xukun: try bash_completion
[07:12] <thoreauputic> then uncomment the bit below
[07:12] <reka> nalioth: i wonder how they got that way o_O
[07:12] <nalioth> reka: aint no tellin
[07:12] <Kimppa> hello
[07:12] <Kimppa> I have a crontab that runs ntpdate every hour
[07:13] <Frafra> nalioth: i can't reinstall hoary xorg?
[07:13] <thoreauputic> GammaRay: the system-wide file is the one I cited above
[07:13] <Kimppa> but it stopped working the other day
[07:13] <wrenc> reka, I'd like to be able to play multimedia files... I have been using the "sound" option in prefrences to test when I have been trying the suggestions from the forum
[07:13] <Kimppa> I get the following error message
[07:13] <e0f> anyone explain me in what mode i config my adsl?
[07:13] <nalioth> Frafra: no, you are a victim of "early adoption"
[07:13] <anubis> anyone notice their system become unstable after updating to the latest nvidia driver?
[07:13] <Kimppa>  6 Jun 20:35:49 ntpdate[21920] : no server suitable for synchronization found
[07:13] <wrenc> reka, these are wav files but no joy
[07:13] <_kevin> hey i made my linux look nicer
[07:13] <GammaRay> thoreauputic: missed that
[07:13] <Kimppa> any ideas what's wrong? The server is working
[07:13] <reka> wrenc: ah.
[07:13] <reka> thoreauputic: does the gstreamer-mad package have wav support
[07:13] <thoreauputic> GammaRay: thoreauputic xukun: you can enable it in /etc/bash.bashrc
[07:13] <reka> ?
[07:14] <Frafra> nalioth: i can't fix it?
[07:14] <wrenc> reka, all I get at theh moment is a bleep eveytime I make a typo ;)
[07:14] <nalioth> Frafra: nope.
[07:14] <thoreauputic> reka: uh - yes of course
[07:14] <reka> wrenc: uhoh.  not the "big beep" from the computer itself?
[07:14] <e0f> anyone explain me in what mode i config my adsl?
[07:14] <nalioth> Frafra: if you are comfortable at the command line, you may install command line tools (browser, text editors, email) and one day, it will be fixed
[07:15] <Frafra> nalioth: one day?
[07:15] <reka> wrenc: do you get sound when you click on an icon in the panel (e.g. firefox)?
[07:15] <nalioth> Frafra: yes, breezy is under major developemnt. there are changes every day
[07:15] <wrenc> wrenc, no there is no other sounds
[07:15] <Malsid> generic sound choppyness on my laptop when playing cd's or .ogg's havn't tested other things yet, any clues?
[07:15] <Frafra> ok, i wait :XD
[07:15] <wrenc> reka, no there is no other sounds
[07:16] <thoreauputic> reka: but the -mad suffix refers to mpeg of course
[07:16] <nalioth> Frafra: you only have a few more months to wait for a "release candidate"
[07:16] <e0f> Frafra: i run pppoeconf for setup my adsl but don't work :(
[07:16] <Malsid> also, general low volume despite setting volume control to max, and recording is a bare whisper.
[07:16] <Frafra> e0f: pwd/user wrong
[07:17] <Frafra> e0f: what it says?
[07:17] <e0f> look
[07:17] <reka> wrenc: OK first of all, have you enabled universe/multiverse?
[07:18] <xukun> thoreauputic, which option in /etc/bash.bashrc enables the tab auto compelate?
[07:18] <thoreauputic> thoreauputic xukun: look for the comment in that file that says "# enable bash completion in interactive shells"
[07:18] <xukun> thoreauputic, sorry, didnt see that last line of yours
[07:18] <thoreauputic> OK :)
[07:18] <wrenc> yep, they are both enabled
[07:18] <wrenc> reka, yep, they are both enabled
[07:19] <reka> OK, let's try install totem-xine
[07:19] <Tommy|> okay my internet connection keeps screwing up -_-
[07:19] <reka> sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[07:19] <voth> how can you add (for example) the trash can/recycle bin (whatever you want to call it) once you've removed it from the 'task bar'
[07:20] <synd> why is windows so god damn ignorant
[07:20] <synd> UGH
[07:20] <xukun> thoreauputic, how do I reload /etc/bash.bashrc
[07:20] <pdk001_> hi all
[07:20] <GammaRay> so these windows... do they talk to you?
[07:20] <GammaRay> ignore the voices
[07:20] <voth> synd, because it's windows
[07:20] <reka> voth: right-click->add to panel
[07:20] <thoreauputic> xukun: you can source it, or log out and in
[07:21] <xukun> sure
[07:21] <voth> reka, for items listed in the menu sub-system that would work, but what about the trash can/recycle bin
[07:21] <GammaRay> xukun: it's probably also in ~/.bashrc also
[07:22] <reka> voth: right-click on *taskbar* ->add to panel :-)
[07:22] <reka> voth: it's a gnome-applet
[07:22] <voth> i'll be damned, there she it.
[07:22] <reka> and you add applets via that method
[07:22] <voth> damn windows-centric terms.
[07:23] <wrenc> reka, totem-xine is installed
[07:23] <reka> wrenc: OK, i'm curious.  try and play a wav file now.
[07:23] <voth> GammaRay, lazy bum.
[07:24] <rodrigo> hi, Im having problems with "grub" it wont start my winXP, the last sentence it says is: chainloader	+1.... can anybody help me?
[07:24] <thoreauputic> GammaRay: you're right - you can source it from there too ( I just enabled it globally)
[07:24] <voth> unless you're in china, or aussieland
[07:24] <nalioth> rodrigo: perhaps it's being helpful?
[07:24] <saik0> can somebody please point me to a guide that lists what each rcX.d does in debian/ubuntu
[07:24] <rodrigo> im sure...
[07:24] <rodrigo> but I still need to get into it...
[07:24] <reka> voth: unless you're an aussie, please refrain from using the term "aussieland" :-)
[07:25] <dooglus> saik0: they are directories.  they define what runs at each runlevel.
[07:25] <nalioth> anyone know of a network chat thing? (just for networks, puter t0 puter)
[07:25] <hondje> Or else they'll stop making Fosters commercials
[07:25] <dooglus> saik0: ubuntu doesn't really use runlevels - level 2 and 3 are the same, both run gdm
[07:25] <saik0> dooglus, right, I've just forgotten which is which >_<
[07:25] <dooglus> 1 is single user mode
[07:25] <hondje> nalioth: What do you mean?
[07:25] <reka> rodrigo: any other info besides that?
[07:25] <xukun> thoreauputic, thanks a lot its working now
[07:25] <dooglus> 6 is shutdown
[07:25] <dooglus> 3 is gdm
[07:25] <rodrigo> reka hi...
[07:25] <dooglus> 2 is usually a multi-user non-gdm mode, but in ubuntu it's the same as 3
[07:25] <saik0> 5 is restart?
[07:25] <thoreauputic> xukun: you're welcome :)
[07:26] <dooglus> 4 and 5...? dunno
[07:26] <abbot45> i found this program for win & mac called JPEGBook that converts a text file to multiple jpegs.  Is there a linux program that does this?  or am I gonna finally have to get WINE running?
[07:26] <rodrigo> reka well the xp is mounted in /dev/hdb1 as an NTFS
[07:26] <wrenc> reka, hmmm still no joy, I tried playing a wav file through totem and also through the sounds preferences
[07:26] <voth> reka, can't spell austrailia correctly...unless that's how you spell it.
[07:26] <hondje> dooglus: they exist just because, you can customize them if you want but I tend to ignore them
[07:26] <dooglus> maybe 6 is restart - the point is moot for me because my laptop hangs if I ask it to restart.  I have to always shutdown, then manually switch it on again
[07:26] <rodrigo> reka when u start the computer you get the grub window...
[07:26] <GammaRay> voth: bah .. I went to sleep at 2AM
[07:26] <reka> voth: ack, no, it's not.
[07:27] <saik0> I just need to start a teamspeak server at startup and end it on shurdown/restart
[07:27] <dooglus> hondje: I find it useful to be able to boot into a non-X environmeny by removing gdm from level 2
[07:27] <thoreauputic> saik0: look at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html  << section 9.3
[07:27] <voth> thus, my use of aussieland
[07:27] <dooglus> makes for quicker boots
[07:27] <wrenc> reka, when using the device database collection util, it recognises the card correctly and then tests it but I hear no sound
[07:27] <rodrigo> reka and when you choose WinXp, all it says is:root		(hd1,0)
[07:27] <rodrigo> savedefault
[07:27] <rodrigo> makeactive
[07:27] <rodrigo> chainloader	+1
[07:27] <xukun> can somebody tell me which commands need to use to check the permission of my home directory?
[07:27] <hondje> dooglus: I'm too lazy...though I sometimes use 4 to test things out
[07:27] <metzen> saik0: make sure the teamspeak server doesnt run as the root user
[07:27] <hondje> xukun: ls -l /home
[07:27] <mirak> hi
[07:28] <mirak> how to isntall java ?
[07:28] <reka> thoreauputic: need advice.  should i tell wrenc to install the gstreamer package? (he doesn't seem to be getting any sound).
[07:28] <dooglus> hondje: lazy?  sysv-rc-conf does all the symlink editing for you
[07:28] <mirak> I got .deb I made myself
[07:28] <mirak> but I can't install them
[07:28] <hondje> dooglus: Oh look, inittab is commented, says 6 is reboot
[07:28] <egg|hitchhiker> mirak:  download,install
[07:28] <saik0> metzen that much I knew, how to do it is what I intend to find you. thanks thor
[07:28] <xukun> hondje, ;.)
[07:28] <mirak> egg|hitchhiker: what ?
[07:28] <dooglus> hondje: oooh, fancy!
[07:28] <hondje> dooglus: Yessir, THAT LAZY
[07:28] <thoreauputic> reka: I haven't been following.... there are quite a few gstreamer packages
[07:28] <mirak> http://ubuntujava.yimports.com/News.shtml
[07:28] <egg|hitchhiker> mirak:  download jre and install it
[07:28] <GammaRay> xukun: stat ~ is another way
[07:28] <hondje> I love commented conf files
[07:28] <mirak> on tis page there is a howto with a repository but it's passworded
[07:28] <nalioth> mirak: see ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ search for java
[07:29] <mirak> egg|hitchhiker: you better not talk at all
[07:29] <egg|hitchhiker> sorry ...
[07:29] <Ravarin> Anyone managed to get ALAC (apple lossless) files to play under Ubuntu?
[07:29] <egg|hitchhiker> (run away...)
[07:29] <mirak> nalioth:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[07:29] <mirak> nalioth: the repository is passworded
[07:29] <nalioth> Ravarin: yes i have
[07:29] <dooglus> you know how it says in the topic not to use breezy...  there were arounde 100 updated packages in the last 5 minutes!
[07:29] <GammaRay> I thought apple used aac
[07:29] <saik0> hondje, ah it's inittab. so thats where the sneaky manpage is
[07:29] <reka> wrenc: OK, we'll try another program.  install beep-media-player
[07:29] <nalioth> mirak: search for 'restricted formats'
[07:29] <Sionide> http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/18/2033216
[07:29] <hondje> saik0: It's pretty simple, after the 'wtf' moment...
[07:30] <wrenc> reka, will do
[07:30] <Sionide> Windows rapidly approaching desktop usability
[07:30] <nalioth> GammaRay: yes apple does
[07:30] <nalioth> Ravarin: whats up?
[07:30] <egg|hitchhiker> beep-media-player = malware?
[07:30] <mirak> nalioth: I know why it's not distributed
[07:30] <Ravarin> nalioth: Just wondering what player / packages to isntall?
[07:30] <mirak> nalioth: I don't know what you mean
[07:30] <hondje> saik0: /etc/init.d holds a bunch of scripts to control services, and the rcN.d folders hold symlinks to those scripts to automagically do stuff when you change runlevel
[07:30] <GammaRay> so the.. what is a ALAC?
[07:30] <nalioth> Ravarin: libfaac for one
[07:30] <ompaul> Sionide, yeah but they this thing called a virus, and it seems that to manage it you need even more software
[07:30] <[Spooky] > hey is there a way to make "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get upgrade" to rune once a week with a script or so ?
[07:30] <dooglus> hondje: is there *any* difference in operation between 'init' and 'telinit'?  I know they're the same program, but ... why keep 2 programs with different names and same content?
[07:31] <rodrigo> ok, since no help with grub, can anybody tell me how to remove it, all together... but from a linux?
[07:31] <chol> hy all, i might be doing something wrong but.. fslsfonts -server 1.2.3.. works and xset +fp "tcp/1.2.3.." doesn't.. any ideas as to why?
[07:31] <nalioth> [Spooky] : man crontab
[07:31] <hondje> dooglus: I'm pretty sure they're the same thing
[07:31] <hondje> Don't know the reason though
[07:31] <hondje> maybe for legacy something-or-others
[07:31] <egg|hitchhiker> dooglus:  trick or trap?
[07:31] <saik0> hondje, you've managed to tell me exactly what I know ;p My problem is thats _all_ I know heh
[07:31] <[Spooky] > nalioth: no mans for contrab...
[07:31] <Sionide> ompaul, read it, it's funny lol
[07:31] <hondje> saik0: hehe
[07:32] <egg|hitchhiker> dooglus:  like xfree v.s. xorg
[07:32] <nalioth> [Spooky] : C R O N T A B
[07:32] <dooglus> [Spooky] : yup.  any script you put in /etc/cron.weekly will be run weekly
[07:32] <dooglus> egg|hitchhiker: nah...
[07:32] <dooglus> xfree and xorg do the same, but are different
[07:32] <tsw> hmm It will run weekly, but what time of the week?
[07:32] <reka> rodrigo: most likely one of your grub boots isn't correct
[07:32] <dooglus> init and telinit possibly do different stuff, but are identical
[07:33] <GammaRay> Ravarin: I can't find a gstreamer plugin but I do see "xmms-mp4 - a mp4/aac audio player for xmms"
[07:33] <egg|hitchhiker> dooglus:  (I think...)
[07:33] <dooglus> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root     4 2005-06-04 20:36 /sbin/telinit -> init
[07:33] <jeroen_> dooglus, they're from the same codebase, but have a different license;  xorg's is prefered by most distros
[07:33] <rodrigo> reka any ideas how to fix it?
[07:33] <egg|hitchhiker> gstreamer(readhat adk?)
[07:33] <nalioth> brb
[07:33] <dooglus> jeroen_: one is a symlink to the other...
[07:33] <Ravarin> GammaRay: Yea, that one won't do ALAC... just normal lossy ACC
[07:33] <reka> rodrigo: i'm not a grub expert i'm afraid...
[07:34] <hondje> Ravarin: alac != flac?
[07:34] <rodrigo> reka thanks, and do u know how to get rid of it? I want my lilo back...
[07:34] <hondje> saik0: man init has some good stuff for you
[07:34] <egg|hitchhiker> alac (patent?)
[07:35] <egg|hitchhiker> black box
[07:35] <GammaRay> batman
[07:35] <egg|hitchhiker> beatman
[07:35] <wrenc> reka, I have installed beep-media but things are still silent......... one of the forum posts sort of indicated that it might have somthing to do with esd
[07:35] <Ravarin> hondje: Alac is like flac in that it is lossless... but it will work in itunes and an ipod, where flac won't.  I only use it over flac because I have an ipod
[07:35] <Ravarin> egg|hitchhiker: Yea, ALAC is Apple proprietary
[07:36] <reka> wrenc: yes, try and change the output plugin to esound or alsa
[07:36] <egg|hitchhiker> so alac .... forget it
[07:36] <hondje> Ravarin: good to know, thanks :)
[07:36] <reka> anyone know how to get rid of grub and install lilo?
[07:36] <chol> rodrigo, just install lilo, setup the config file and run /sbin/lilo, should be nothing more to it
[07:36] <egg|hitchhiker> throw ipod into trash
[07:36] <vile> hello
[07:37] <GammaRay> Ravarin: http://freshmeat.net/projects/alac/
[07:37] <reka> chol: thanks
[07:37] <hondje> chol: kernel updates will run update-grub, might erase lilo
[07:37] <Ravarin> GammaRay: Nice... thanks
[07:37] <saik0> iPod, overrated and overpriced, but certainly not trash
[07:37] <chol> hondje, but if lilo is apt:ed in and grub purged it shouldn't do that?
[07:38] <mirak> naderman: how did you installed it ?
[07:38] <vile> hey, my desktop resolution can only be set to 800x600 or 640x840
[07:38] <hondje> chol: oh, installing lilo kills grub, never knew that :)
[07:38] <yccheok> i have ten line of string. i wan to use awk to help me print out the 5th line, how i can do that?
[07:38] <vile> how do i get it to 1024x768
[07:38] <hondje> <----permanewbie
[07:38] <hondje> vile: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:38] <ompaul> saik0, I believe that they do not play ogg :)
[07:38] <chol> hondje, =) can't say i know ubuntu specifics but thats how debian does it
[07:38] <goldee> hi folks
[07:39] <saik0> ompaul, i backup all my stuff in flac =P
[07:39] <goldee> im trzing to install xmms but it doens want to work
[07:39] <hondje> chol: hrm, I did apt-get install -s lilo, didn't try to remove grub...
[07:39] <jeroen_> goldee, try beep-media-player; it's the same, but better
[07:39] <hondje> I think it should
[07:39] <vile> i've tried editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf and the desktop went to 832x624
[07:39] <dooglus> goldee: try beep-media- doh.  jeroen_ beat me to it
[07:39] <ompaul> saik0, hehe
[07:39] <goldee> ill trez tnx
[07:40] <goldee> try iwn
[07:40] <chol> hondje, no.. i think you will have to purge it your self.. they don't relly conflict i guess
[07:40] <reka> vile: did you change the lines to: Modes           "1024x768" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[07:40] <andresh> hi
[07:40] <reka> vile: did you change the lines to: Modes           "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[07:40] <vile> yeah i changed it to just 1024x768
[07:40] <thoreauputic> hondje: no, it's possible to have lilo and grub installed (knoppix used to for instance)
[07:40] <dooglus> hondje: grub and lilo don't conflict with each other in any way that means they shouldn't be on the same system
[07:40] <reka> yipee. people are recommending bmp over xmms :-)
[07:40] <dooglus> you just can't use them both at the same time.
[07:41] <vile> reka it was like that before
[07:41] <GammaRay> thoreauputic: you could if you put one on the boot record of a partition
[07:41] <vile> i changed it to just 1-24x768
[07:41] <hondje> yeah, but if you install lilo, and a kernel update comes your way, will it know not to run update-grub, and if that runs will it put grub back in the mbr?
[07:41] <reka> vile: t's possible your refresh rates aren't set up right.
[07:41] <chol> hondje, but is kernel updates automagically installed?
[07:41] <GammaRay> thoreauputic: I misread you as saying *not* btw
[07:41] <saik0> alright. I think (i hope) I've written this init script right and stuck it in /etc/init.d and put the symlinks where they need to be. IIRC this will run a teamspeak server as root, not good. Cant find it in the manpages, or perhaps I'm blind
[07:41] <wrenc> reka, I've tried all the output plugin options along with combinations of the advanced options along with them but things are still quite
[07:41] <dooglus> hondje: I would say that the kernel postinstall script should be smarter.
[07:42] <hondje> dooglus: I would tend to agree
[07:42] <dooglus> it scared me earlier by looking like it was going to run grub.
[07:42] <IcemanV9> i'm using 640x480 on 15" screen; it's GREAT! ;P
[07:42] <hondje> chol: I don't know :(
[07:42] <dooglus> running grub causes me hours of discomfort
[07:42] <IcemanV9> vile: check out > http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:42] <reka> wrenc: ack, that's no good.  is the file actually progressing?
[07:42] <hondje> Last time a kernel update came through, I dont recall if I got it from that update notification applet
[07:42] <hondje> though someone caring about the differences between lilo and grub probably isn't a newbie and would notice these things
[07:43] <wrenc> reka, you can see each file progessing and also a read out on the visual equaliser
[07:43] <chol> hondje, i wouldn't know either.. i compile my own kernels and update-grub works fine with that to
[07:43] <vile> thanks IcemanV9
[07:43] <dooglus> I installed a new kernel earlier, rebooted, and when gnome came back up after the reboot there was a little 'something' on the top of the screen telling me to reboot as soon as possible because the kernel had been updated.  couldn't it tell that i had already rebooted?
[07:44] <hondje> chol: Not me, I just don't pay attention :)
[07:44] <chandru> LOAD /home/chadnru/.xchat/xchat_wait.tcl
[07:45] <chol> hondje, (:
[07:45] <chol> dooglus, did you choose the new kernel while booting?
[07:45] <deviant> hello guys. can you recomend me a nice dc++ client ?
[07:45] <chol> dooglus, i believe grub has savedefault in ubuntu and thus it booted you previous kernel
[07:45] <reka> wrenc: that's not good at all.  usually people are able to play a sound file when they change the output plugin.  if you're desperate and can't find any other resolutions, you could try this to set up alsa which is what i and others have used to fix sound quirks:
[07:45] <reka> ubotu: tell wrenc about fixsound
[07:46] <wrenc> reka, thanks, I'll give that a go :)
[07:46] <hondje> reka: does the bot use notice?
[07:47] <saik0> Can init run a process as anything but root?
[07:47] <hondje> ubotu: tell hondje about fixsound
[07:48] <nalioth> deviant: the only one i know of is dcgui
[07:48] <nalioth> did i miss the answer about a small network chat app?
[07:48] <reka> wrenc: other things to try out: [1]  apps->sound->vol. control, check if volume is unmuted :-) [2]  in vol. control, file->change device to the alsa one (after you've set up alsa)  NB: you need to reboot after the alsa install, just follow the instructions and you should be right.
[07:48] <hondje> nalioth: I asked what you meant :)
[07:48] <orlandu> Hello! I'm having trouble enabling DMA on my DVD drive: using hoary, Sony DDU-1612 drive (rebadged Liteon) as /dev/hda, attempting "sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda", error message follows: setting using_dma to 1 (on): HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted: using_dma    =  0 (off)
[07:48] <errorlevel> Is there a guide on installing Ubuntu PPC alongside MacOS X?
[07:49] <chol> saik0, it would be possible i guess
[07:49] <PhantomFreak> Anyone here use Doom Legacy?
[07:49] <nalioth> hondje: they make simple little chat proggys that basically go from 192.168.0.1 to 0.2
[07:49] <PhantomFreak> I need params...
[07:50] <yccheok> hi, i have a text file with 5 lines of string, how can i only print out the 3th line?
[07:50] <hondje> never seen anything like that, sounds fun to play with
[07:50] <wrenc> reka,  looking at the instructions they seem easy enough, I am working my way through them
[07:50] <reka> hondje: use notice?  it's not mine, ask Amaranth when he wakes up?
[07:50] <yccheok> cat abc.txt | ???
[07:50] <hondje> reka: It uses /msg, just noticed
[07:50] <yccheok> what should be the ??? to accomplish this task?
[07:50] <reka> ah
[07:50] <Amaranth> reka: not my bot
[07:50] <Amaranth> !smeg
[07:50] <nalioth> hondje: used to use one on winduhs (long long ago)
[07:50] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Amaranth
[07:51] <Amaranth> err, that's not supposed to say anything here
[07:51] <reka> Amaranth: oh, ok.  i thought you were the one that set him up.
[07:51] <nalioth> !who owns you
[07:51] <ubotu> nalioth: I don't know, could you explain it?
[07:51] <nalioth> differnt answer every day
[07:51] <reka> Amaranth: hmm, wasn't smeg defined?
[07:51] <chol> yccheok, use head and tail
[07:51] <saik0> chol, I've read the manpages for init inittab and runlevel and they hav'ne tclued me in as to how
[07:52] <Amaranth> reka: he chopped the DB
[07:52] <hondje> nalioth: linpopup, maybe?
[07:52] <Amaranth> reka: it kept corrupting
[07:52] <errorlevel> Anybody? =)  PPC?  Ubuntu?  MacOS X?
[07:52] <Bramme> i have ubuntu on my first partition, now i want to install win xp on the second, how do i do that to make my MBR isn't fucked up ?
[07:52] <yccheok> chol: wont help
[07:52] <yccheok> chol: head can print 1st-N line
[07:52] <hondje> errorlevel: look for the mac mini debian how-to, it covers it pretty well
[07:52] <chol> saik0, no.. you'd probably need to setup the rc script so that it knows when you want it to run a script as another user
[07:52] <chol> yccheok, but if you combine them?
[07:53] <yccheok> chol: tail can print N-1st line. but i just want a line somewhere in middle
[07:53] <reka> Bramme: afaik, it'll be overwriten.  you'll need to install grub again
[07:53] <nalioth> hondje: sounds promising, the win one was winpop
[07:54] <hondje> nalioth: assuming you have samba running :-/
[07:54] <chol> yccheok, come on.. head -3 file|tail -1 will get you only the 3:rd line
[07:54] <Bramme> reka, how do i install grub again then ?
[07:54] <BoD_SWAT> how come the 'ls' command ignores capital letters at the beginning of a file? (Debian won't 'ls' the same)
[07:55] <yccheok> chol: cool
[07:55] <reka> errorlevel: i know that it's possible.  don't know how though.
[07:55] <chol> yccheok, np..
[07:55] <goldee> i cant install beep media player im noob :(
[07:56] <reka> Bramme: http://ubuntuguide.org/#restoregrubmenuafterwindowsinstallation
[07:56] <reka> goldee: enabled universe and multiverse?
[07:56] <ren0> I am trying to get my webcam going with: Installing spca5xx Mini-Howto
[07:56] <Bramme> reka: great, had been searching for something like that for a while
[07:56] <orlandu> Hello! I'm having trouble enabling DMA on my DVD drive, can you help? using hoary, Sony DDU-1612 drive (rebadged Liteon) as /dev/hda, attempting "sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda", error message follows: setting using_dma to 1 (on): HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted: using_dma    =  0 (off)
[07:56] <goldee> no
[07:56] <ompaul> BoD_SWAT, because D and d are different cases and thus treated differently
[07:56] <tritium> nalioth, looks like the rumor was true :(
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[07:56] <spanglesontoast> Exiting due to error
[07:57] <spanglesontoast> armyops
[07:57] <hondje> haha, x86 macs :D
[07:57] <deviant> nalioth: and is it good/ nice ?
[07:57] <BoD_SWAT> ompaul, yes, but how can I 'set' that setting with ls? (command line)
[07:57] <ren0> I am getting an error in Step 4 :bash: cd: spca5xx-686: No such file or directory
[07:57] <reka> goldee: apps->system tools->terminal
[07:58] <reka> goldee: then type: "gksudo gedit /etc/apte/sources.list" (w/o quotes)
[07:58] <nalioth> deviant: is wtf good/nice?
[07:58] <ren0>  Remember: you must have read/write access to your kernel source tree.
[07:58] <reka> whoops, type: "gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" (w/o quotes)
[07:58] <ren0> make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build SUBDIRS=/home/pjharper/Download/spca5xx-20050601 modules
[07:58] <nalioth> tritium: i've floated so many rumors in the last few days?
[07:58] <IcemanV9> orlandu: /dev/hdc not /dev/hda
[07:58] <ren0> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-2-686/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[07:58] <tritium> nalioth, regarding Apple switching to Intel chips
[07:58] <ren0> make: *** [default]  Error 2
[07:58] <goldee> yea i have terminal on
[07:59] <deviant> nalioth: nevermind
[07:59] <nalioth> tritium: has teh wwdc ended for the day? of the jobness has spoken on it already?
[07:59] <reka> IcemanV9: noob question: how do you know which device is which?
[07:59] <ren0> Can anybody see my deliberate mistake?
[07:59] <nalioth> dang i can't type
[07:59] <hondje> nalioth: still on, he's rambling now
[07:59] <orlandu> IcemanV9 - I have no /dev/hdc, my HD is SATA - I have DVD at /dev/hda, CDRW at /dev/hdb
[07:59] <makoto> 
[07:59] <|ParanOid|> ?
[08:00] <_kevin> is there a way to display what I'm playing in beep-media-player in xchat?
[08:00] <reka> mako: nice.  got it working
[08:00] <ren0> Ni Hao!
[08:00] <hondje> something about mathematica porting to x86 easily (no shit), MS and adobe using fat binaries, binary translation w/ rosetta
[08:00] <makoto> yep
[08:00] <makoto> very cool
[08:00] <makoto> works better than ime on windows
[08:00] <makoto> sweet little app
[08:00] <hondje> scim is great
[08:00] <IcemanV9> reka: either look at "df -h", dmesg or fbstab
[08:00] <reka> goldee: type: "gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" (w/o quotes)
[08:00] <nalioth> _kevin: there are scripts innumerable out there, search for them
[08:00] <linukso> _kevin: xchat got a python interface, just write a plugin :-)
[08:00] <makoto> only problem is I can't type in open office
[08:00] <IcemanV9> orlandu: hm. which is hd?
[08:00] <_kevin> nevermind I'll askin in xchat channel
[08:00] <makoto> works every where else
[08:01] <hondje> makoto: OOorg has its own thing
[08:01] <nalioth> _kevin: try the xchat homepage
[08:01] <_kevin> i forget this channel is ubunut related problems
[08:01] <hondje> makoto: apt-cache search openoffice | grep ja
[08:01] <reka> IcemanV9: thanks.  always confused by that.
[08:01] <orlandu> IcemanV9, my HD partitions are /dev/sda#
[08:01] <pestilence> makoto: does it use romanized pinyin or do you have to know initials and finals
[08:02] <hondje> pestilence: using scim with anthy, you type phonetically using std romanji, and it magically makes the hiragana, and then tries to stick in the kanji
[08:02] <tritium> nalioth, http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/jun/06intel.html
[08:02] <makoto> pestilence : Im a real noob, not sure what you mean.  ask hondje, he's the guru
[08:02] <hondje> I'm not even close to guru-ness
[08:02] <makoto> hondje : i put in the command you wrote. I sthat all>
[08:03] <makoto> ?
[08:03] <pestilence> makoto: i think you answered my question
[08:03] <Brad_c> hello?
[08:03] <pestilence> hi
[08:03] <hondje> makoto: should show you a list of packages for OOorg to add japanese support
[08:03] <Brad_c> would anyone be able to help me?
[08:03] <hondje> makoto: I dunno what you're doing, etc, so you'll have to figure out which ones you want
[08:03] <makoto> yes it does
[08:04] <orlandu> IcemanV9_, my HD partitions are /dev/sda#
[08:04] <spanglesontoast> does anyone know where the settings are for et for changing sound?
[08:04] <pestilence> Brad_c: what's your p
[08:04] <rince2k> can anyone help me: my tv out (geforce 6600gt) dont work as i want
[08:04] <zakame> are there any hardware bounties for breezy?
[08:04] <Brad_c> ive got a soundcard
[08:04] <Brad_c> i put it in
[08:05] <IcemanV9_> ah. ok. orlandu
[08:05] <elvirolo_> hi all
[08:05] <Brad_c> but its not working in ubuntu
[08:05] <makoto> I just want to type in japanese basically
[08:05] <hondje> makoto: openoffice.org-l10n-ja will make a dramatic change, basically the japanese version of OOorg
[08:05] <pestilence> Brad_c: what card is it
[08:06] <IcemanV9_> orlandu: operation permitted is the key. i know you used "sudo" and it does not work. something else is using "locking" dvd drive.
[08:06] <Brad_c> its a Sabrent
[08:06] <Brad_c> pci soundcrad
[08:06] <Brad_c> 6 channel
[08:06] <makoto> apt-get openoffice.org-l10n-ja ?
[08:06] <hondje> sudo apt-get install openoffice.org-l10n-ja
[08:06] <Sionide> IcemanV9, i'm having that trouble, i have a dvd stuck in there at the moment. :/
[08:06] <elvirolo_> i'm trying to use KDM ... but whenever i do "apt-get install kdm" or "dpkg --reconfigure kdm" I get the following : "invoke.rc-d: initscript kdm, action "reload" failed"
[08:06] <IcemanV9_> orlandu: try not using dvd drive while you issue the command
[08:06] <makoto> hondje : will I still be able to type in english?
[08:06] <elvirolo_> can anyone help me?
[08:07] <hondje> makoto: It's based on the locale setting....
[08:07] <makoto> hondje : ok
[08:07] <hondje> makoto: Like, when you log in at gdm, you pick language and that's what it does
[08:07] <pestilence> Brad_c: could you paste the results from lspci and lsmod at http://www.rafb.net/paste/ and post a link back here
[08:07] <reka> elvirolo_: don't ask to ask
[08:07] <IcemanV9_> Sionide: eject problem is that what you're trying to say?
[08:07] <ompaul> elvirolo_, only if they know what is wrong with you, telepathy is not other peoples strong point
[08:07] <elvirolo_> reka: yeah sorry
[08:07] <hondje> I haven't really messed with OOorg internationalization though, I could just be lying :)
[08:07] <chol> elvirolo_, is gdm running at the moment?
[08:08] <Sionide> yeah
[08:08] <orlandu> IcemanV9_, I've tried it with no DVD in the drive, same result
[08:08] <elvirolo_> ompaul, isn't it ? I'm surprised
[08:08] <Sionide> the button on the actual drive doesn't eject it
[08:08] <elvirolo_> chol, yes
[08:08] <thoreauputic> elvirolo_: you used sudo with that command?
[08:08] <chol> elvirolo_, try stopping it and then starting kdm
[08:08] <makoto> hondje : Ill try one of those packages you showed me first
[08:08] <elvirolo_> chol,  and the prob is the same when i remove GDM
[08:08] <Sionide> just saw you mention locking the drive.. it seems like somethings doing that on mine
[08:08] <elvirolo_> thoreauputic, yes
[08:08] <IcemanV9_> orlandu: dang. never seen this problem before. that's all i can offer. :/
[08:08] <ompaul> elvirolo_, no it isn't really, there was a study out the other day and it said so :)
[08:08] <Brad_c> pestilence im not sure what you mean
[08:08] <Brad_c> i dont understanbd
[08:09] <pestilence> Brad_c: open up a terminal
[08:09] <IcemanV9_> Sionide: try to 'force' eject
[08:09] <orlandu> IcemanV9_, thanks anyway :)
[08:09] <pestilence> Brad_c: type "lspci"
[08:09] <hondje> makoto: I'd recommend that you sudo apt-get install language-pack-ja-base language-support-ja too
[08:09] <Sionide> how?
[08:09] <elvirolo_> ompaul, ok ok, but how could i know that? telepathy ? :)
[08:09] <Brad_c> ahh gotcha
[08:09] <pestilence> Brad_c: copy and paste the results into that link i sent you
[08:09] <hondje> why not use fuser to see what's using the drive?
[08:09] <pestilence> Brad_c: same for lsmod
[08:09] <hondje> or lsof | grep dvd, something like that?
[08:09] <chol> elvirolo_, whats in /etc/X11/default-display-manager?
[08:09] <ompaul> elvirolo_, no read the study
[08:09] <makoto> all in one command?
[08:10] <hondje> makoto: yep yep
[08:10] <Brad_c> pestilence it did nothing
[08:10] <IcemanV9_> Sionide: sudo umount -f /dev/hdc (whatever your cd/dvd drive is)
[08:10] <elvirolo_> ompaul, hey, not a bad idea :)
[08:10] <makoto> hondje : ok
[08:10] <Brad_c> when i typed in terminal
[08:10] <Sionide> ok
[08:10] <chol> elvirolo_, and does dpkg -l gdm and kdm show that they both are installed fine?
[08:10] <nalioth> tritium: i'm interested to see how actually apple is gonna do it. intel fabbed PPC, anyone?
[08:10] <hondje> nalioth: x86
[08:10] <hondje> crazy, isn't it?
[08:10] <pestilence> Brad_c: what did nothing
[08:10] <ompaul> there is a command 'sudo eject' for use in a terminal
[08:10] <nema> elvirolo_, probably your default display manager?
[08:10] <thoreauputic> elvirolo_: what does " cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager " say?
[08:10] <elvirolo_> /etc/X11/default-display-manager contains kdm
[08:11] <Sionide> device is busy
[08:11] <elvirolo_> well
[08:11] <hondje> Sionide: fuser /dev/hdc (or hdd, whatever)
[08:11] <Sionide>  its /dev/cdrom i think?
[08:11] <tritium> nalioth, and I just bought a G5...
[08:11] <hondje> Sionide: the device is linked to like 1000 different places :)  /dev/hdd -> /dev/dvd -> /media/cdrom1 on this one, for example :-/
[08:12] <pestilence> Brad_c: right click on the desktop, and click "open terminal"
[08:12] <thoreauputic> elvirolo_: if you log out you still get gdm?
[08:12] <Sionide> yeah
[08:12] <pestilence> Brad_c: then type lspci
[08:12] <Sionide> thought so
[08:12] <Brad_c> pestilence im pming you
[08:12] <IcemanV9_> hondje: Sionide needs to eject forcefully the dvd drive
[08:12] <pestilence> Brad_c: dont
[08:12] <Brad_c> umm ok
[08:12] <elvirolo_> thoreauputic, no, if i have removed it, and yes it i havn't
[08:12] <makoto> hondje : I install both packages, should I just be able to type in Oo now?
[08:12] <Sionide> yeah
[08:12] <hondje> Why force it if you dnon't have to?
[08:12] <Sionide> i do have to
[08:13] <IcemanV9_> it's locked
[08:13] <ompaul> IcemanV9_,  there is a command 'sudo eject' for use in a terminal
[08:13] <Sionide> it won't open by pressing the button on it!
[08:13] <nalioth> tritium: G5s rule over x86
[08:13] <hondje> makoto: maybe, I don't use OOorg much
[08:13] <Brad_c> pestilence once again nothing happened
[08:13] <makoto> hondje : ok i'll try it
[08:13] <hondje> makoto: if it doesnt' work, just install the OOorg l10n pkg
[08:13] <pestilence> Brad_c: when you typed lspci, the terminal closed??
[08:13] <makoto> hondje : will do
[08:13] <Sionide> hrm
[08:14] <Brad_c> pestilence got it
[08:14] <thoreauputic> elvirolo_: umm - then I don't follow your problem: you can get kdm , isn't that the desired result?
[08:14] <Sionide> sionide@sphinx:/dev$ sudo eject /dev/cdrom
[08:14] <Sionide> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[08:14] <Sionide> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[08:14] <elvirolo_> chol, and i remove gdm and do sudo dpkg --reconfigure kdm and then restart X, I have to type in  dpkg --reconfigure kdm again
[08:14] <hondje> tada! Sionide fuser /media/cdrom0
[08:14] <nalioth> tritium: i'd like to see a mac with a couple Cell processors
[08:14] <makoto> hondje : nope not working
[08:14] <nema> Sionide, leave the dir, where your cdrom is mounted
[08:15] <elvirolo_> thoreauputic, sry, i didn't explain my pb well enough ... read the msg to chol
[08:15] <hondje> makoto: guess it's the l10n pkg for you, then :)
[08:15] <Brad_c> pestilence what do i click on when i paste the code in that box?
[08:15] <tritium> nalioth, I was rather looking forward to the 970FX
[08:15] <Sionide> nema, still no luck
[08:15] <nalioth> tritium: is there a page to skewl me in how to make a wiki/myname page?
[08:15] <nema> Sionide, then try fuser
[08:16] <pestilence> Brad_c: "paste"
[08:16] <makoto> hondje :  i did : sudo apt-get install openoffice.org-l10n-ja got the output : openoffice.org-l10n-ja is already the newest version.
[08:16] <makoto> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:16] <pestilence> Brad_c: then copy the link in the url bar back here
[08:16] <chol> elvirolo_, i don't see your problem really.. what happends when you /etc/init.d/kdm start?
[08:16] <Sionide> is /dev/hdc the cdrom as well?
[08:16] <nalioth> my intelligence level isnt allowing my comprehension of "how to make a wiki"
[08:16] <Echelon-H> why can't I mount / play Music CD?
[08:16] <Chetic> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39289 <-seriously, somebody help
[08:16] <hondje> makoto: that's fine, that just means it's already installed
[08:16] <Brad_c> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/o4CZRz53.html
[08:16] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: you don't mount music CDs
[08:16] <chol> elvirolo_, i'm assuming you'r running in console now
[08:17] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, but I can't play it under CD player
[08:17] <pestilence> Brad_c: do the same for lsmod
[08:17] <makoto> hondje :  ehm, but I still can't type....
[08:17] <Echelon-H> and haven't figured how to play it under XMMS
[08:17] <tritium> nalioth, I don't think so...
[08:17] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: do you mean it plays but is silent, or doesn't play at all?
[08:17] <hondje> makoto: locale :)  Log out, and in GDM choose japanese as your language
[08:17] <IcemanV9> Sionide: yes
[08:17] <nema> Sionide, or try something like lsof | grep cdrom
[08:17] <pestilence> Brad_c: you have onboard audio?
[08:17] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, doesn't play at all
[08:17] <makoto> hondje : ok i'll try that right now
[08:17] <Echelon-H> but it can see the tracks and stuff
[08:17] <Echelon-H> in the cd player
[08:18] <makoto> brb
[08:18] <elvirolo_> chol : nope because i typed dpkg --reconfigure etc ... when I restarted KDM so it actually starts up ... it just won't start up on boot, whereas GDM when it's configured as the default login manager
[08:18] <nalioth> never mind
[08:18] <Sionide> buh
[08:18] <thechitowncubs> can someone pm me
[08:18] <nalioth> farking "help on editing" takes me back to the original page
[08:18] <thechitowncubs> im testing something
[08:18] <Brad_c> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/6Eu89c19.html
[08:18] <Brad_c> pestilence ^
[08:18] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, any ideas?
[08:18] <nalioth> farking "help on editing" takes me back to the original page
[08:19] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: try using digital output for CDs in the xmms prefs under the CD plugin
[08:19] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, oh there's a cd plugin?
[08:19] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: sure
[08:19] <nalioth> i went to the 'sandbox' page, but didnt see an "edit' button or link
[08:19] <egg|hitchhiker> Echelon-H:  libthorea
[08:19] <Sionide> hm
[08:19] <Sionide> if i log out then log back in
[08:19] <pestilence> Brad_c: you have audio integrated on your motherboard?
[08:20] <Brad_c> yes
[08:20] <IcemanV9> Sionide: like others said get out of the dir, exit the app that uses CD, sudo eject cdrom or umount -f cdrom ...
[08:20] <Brad_c> but it wont work
[08:20] <Brad_c> and im pissed
[08:20] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: look in the prefs and find the CD option, then click the config button and make it digital output
[08:20] <chol> elvirolo_, remove gdm and see what happens when there's no other choise but kdm?
[08:20] <Sionide> im not in any apps that use the cd :s
[08:20] <Murlocdundee> hello
[08:20] <pestilence> Brad_c: neither will work?
[08:20] <Brad_c> no
[08:20] <hondje> Sionide: if umount -f doesn't work, try umount -l
[08:20] <pestilence> Brad_c: hrmm
[08:20] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: that *might* be the issue
[08:20] <egg|hitchhiker> Sionide:  hehe loop device
[08:20] <Brad_c> so you cant see any probs?
[08:20] <pestilence> Brad_c: it seems like the modules for your soundcard are loaded
[08:20] <IcemanV9> Sionide: when all fails, i just simply reboot.
[08:20] <Sionide> yeah i think i will do
[08:20] <Brad_c> argh
[08:21] <egg|hitchhiker> Sionide:  /dev/loop
[08:21] <elvirolo_> chol : in that case, as I said, X doesn't start up at boot, and I have to do dpkg --reconfigure KDM in order to load it up
[08:21] <Murlocdundee> I d like to have the same skin for plone as ubuntu is using with its website, where can I find it ?
[08:21] <pestilence> Brad_c: you might try going into your bios and disabling the onboard sound, see what that does
[08:21] <Brad_c> i did that
[08:21] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, can't find package
[08:21] <Brad_c> nothing
[08:21] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: a lot of comps these days have no connection between sound card and CD player
[08:21] <chol> elvirolo_, sounds like there's yet another file to change
[08:21] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: ?
[08:21] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: can't find xmms?
[08:21] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, and xmms-cdread is not working, for some reason it gives me in error in the installation process
[08:21] <Sionide> Murlocdundee, it's probably custom made by the canonical guys?
[08:21] <Sionide> i dunno
[08:22] <nalioth> sheezle
[08:22] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: hmm
[08:22] <Brad_c> what in the heck would make this motherboard not want to produce sound
[08:22] <Brad_c> im gettting angry
[08:22] <elvirolo_> chol : i see ... but the strange thing is that the problem doesn't occur with GDM ...
[08:22] <Brad_c> lol
[08:22] <Murlocdundee> Sionide: whatever it is, i find it nice and I want it right now :-)
[08:22] <nema> elvirolo_, so why dont you use gdm
[08:23] <Murlocdundee> Sionide: i am putting up a plone based website so...
[08:23] <elvirolo_> nema, because I think my PC is meant to do what I want it to do ... and I like KDM :)
[08:23] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, i installed xmms-cdread, what now?
[08:23] <Brad_c> IcemanV9 dcc a hammer to Brad_c  ?
[08:24] <Sionide> yeah.. there's plenty of other themes *shrug*
[08:24] <egg|hitchhiker> elvirolo_:  KDM,GDM,XDM...
[08:24] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: umm - that should not have been necessary - xmms can do CDs by default
[08:24] <hondje> hey look, a wiki section I might be able to contribute to
[08:24] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, how?
[08:24] <Tommy|> guys i need some help with python
[08:24] <IcemanV9> Brad_c: sending a hammer to u via dcc .. so you can use a hammer to mash ur pc ;)
[08:24] <egg|hitchhiker> elvirolo_:  IDM = ?
[08:24] <Tommy|> import commands don't work
[08:24] <pestilence> Brad_c: i have had issues with one of the modules for an intel piece of hardware that would kill sound.  don't know if that's your problem
[08:24] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: you could try beep-media-player instead, it has a Cd play option
[08:25] <Brad_c> well thanks for your help anyway
[08:25] <pestilence> Brad_c: i think the ubuntu guys have that module blacklisted, though.
[08:25] <Tommy|> any ideas?
[08:25] <nalioth> is there a wiki article on all the ubuntu channels here?
[08:25] <Murlocdundee> Sionide: not so many, I have only found like 10 plone skin/theme over the Internet
[08:25] <Tommy|> ...
[08:25] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: same deal with beep - enable digital output
[08:25] <thierry_> Ab 20.00 : DJ Zimmbi on Air : http://www.tranceradio.ch/listen.m3u ; Check it out ! Now !
[08:25] <elvirolo_> well ... with KDM you can halt your machine directly from KDE
[08:25] <Tommy|> can anyone help me with this?
[08:25] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, ill try
[08:25] <Brad_c> pestilence you know what though? sound dosnt work in xp either
[08:25] <Tommy|> i'm getting errors on "import *" in python
[08:25] <chol> elvirolo_, but atleast /etc/init.d/kdm start works?
[08:25] <egg|hitchhiker> Tomcat_:  python(IBM?)
[08:25] <pestilence> Brad_c: oh.  even with the new sound card?
[08:25] <Chetic> How do I change which dsp should be default?
[08:26] <Brad_c> pestilence the onboard
[08:26] <Tommy|> wait what?
[08:26] <egg|hitchhiker> Tomcat_:  please call IBM
[08:26] <elvirolo_> chol : yes it does
[08:26] <Tommy|> so anyways...
[08:26] <Brad_c> pestilence makes me angry cause this mobo was over $200
[08:26] <Tommy|> please, any help on this?
[08:26] <egg|hitchhiker> Tomcat_:  get a IPSE
[08:27] <Brad_c> and comes with fiberoptic sound line in
[08:27] <Tommy|> ...
[08:27] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, how can i enable that?
[08:27] <makoto> Does't work in Japanese Ubntu either.  Its hilarious, everything is in japanese, I can type in japanese everywhere except in open office which is where <i mainly want to type.  Ah the irony....
[08:27] <pestilence> Brad_c: is it under warranty?
[08:27] <pestilence> Brad_c: i'd take it back...
[08:27] <chol> elvirolo_, that's whats supposed to run at startup so.. it's links from the rcX.d exists?
[08:27] <egg|hitchhiker> Tomcat_:  like MCSE
[08:27] <elvirolo_> chol, let me check it out
[08:27] <chol> elvirolo_, and all concerning gdm does not
[08:28] <Brad_c> pestilence yeah it is... but i bought it online, i would have to pay a heap to reship it and a restoking fee
[08:28] <makoto> hondje : I wrote mrbase to see if if might be able to help me... will see
[08:28] <pestilence> Brad_c: bummer.
[08:28] <Brad_c> yup
[08:28] <pestilence> Brad_c: i didn't think they could charge you restocking on a defective part.  that seems illegal
[08:28] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: in beep-media-player, right click the player, preferences, media
[08:28] <pestilence> Brad_c: i mean, they aren't restocking it...they are RMA'ing it.
[08:28] <Brad_c> pestilence they do i looked into
[08:28] <Brad_c> it
[08:29] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: on the CD part, click preferences and check digital
[08:29] <pestilence> Brad_c: shady.
[08:29] <Brad_c> hmmm
[08:29] <elvirolo_> hey
[08:29] <Brad_c> meybe im wrong
[08:29] <Brad_c> its tiger direct
[08:29] <elvirolo_> chol, links to gdm are still there
[08:29] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: sorry, preferences, plugins, media
[08:29] <pestilence> Brad_c: uh-oh.
[08:29] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, one moment
[08:29] <Brad_c> i wonder what they do if its damaged i never thought of that
[08:29] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, if i would want to play a cd in xmms, what should i do?
[08:30] <elvirolo_> chol, brb i'll restartX
[08:30] <chol> elvirolo_, i believe that if default-display-manager doesn't contain gdm it should not start
[08:30] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: I'm listening to beep atm, so I can't open xmms (it's basically the same program)
[08:30] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: the option is similar
[08:31] <Chetic> How do I change which /dev/dsp device should be default?
[08:31] <Echelon-H> ok I configured for digitasl
[08:31] <Echelon-H> *digital
[08:31] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, what now?
[08:31] <Chetic> all sound applications use the wrong sound device :\
[08:31] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: well, see if it works? Play a CD ?
[08:31] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, how can i open a cd?!
[08:32] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: how much handholding *do * you need?
[08:32] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: navigate to the cdrom
[08:32] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, I can't figure out how to open the CD through the bmp
[08:32] <blastmanu> hi
[08:33] <pestilence> Chetic: not sure, but maybe change the order in which the sound card modules are loaded
[08:33] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: in bmp, on the playlist, click file, add CD
[08:33] <Chetic> pestilence, sorry but how do I do that?
[08:34] <toxicfume> my next pc will be a mac
[08:34] <pestilence> Chetic: good question.  I'm not sure if /etc/modules gets run before the hardware detection happens.
[08:34] <elvirolo_> chol, i removed all the links by hand and everything seems to work now
[08:34] <elvirolo_> chol, thanks for your help :)
[08:34] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, no insereted blah blah... but it is inserted
[08:34] <pestilence> Chetic: if it does, you could put the module for your primary card in there.
[08:34] <Chetic> pestilence, uh ok..
[08:34] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: do you have more than one CD /DVD drive?
[08:34] <Echelon-H> yeah
[08:34] <Tommy|> errors in package manager:
[08:34] <Tommy|> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/dists/hoary-extras/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 401 Authorization Required
[08:34] <Tommy|> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/dists/hoary-extras/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 401 Authorization Required
[08:34] <Tommy|> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/dists/hoary-extras/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 401 Authorization Required
[08:34] <Tommy|> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/dists/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 401 Authorization Required
[08:35] <Tommy|> any idea why that's going on?
[08:35] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: then you need to configure bmp to look at the right one
[08:35] <jeroen_> Tommy|, go to http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ and read
[08:35] <Tommy|> eek
[08:35] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, k i got it worked out, thx
[08:35] <Tommy|> i'd think they would have put a notice on the main site or something -_-
[08:35] <tritium> Tommy|, please don't paste like that
[08:35] <Tommy|> sorry
[08:36] <Tommy|> is there a channel for that like #error or anything?
[08:36] <nalioth> Tommy|: yes i know. DONT use backports, they break your upgrading abilitiy
[08:36] <hondje> Tommy|: #flood
[08:36] <tritium> there's #flood
[08:36] <Tommy|> oh
[08:36] <tritium> Tommy|, also, pastebin.com
[08:36] <Tommy|> what's the file for the repositories again?
[08:37] <Kyynara> /etc/lib/sources.list ?
[08:37] <chol> Tommy|, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[08:38] <Tommy|> what do you mean by breaks your ability to upgrade?
[08:38] <cyphase> does anyone have a good phrase that LINUX could stand for?
[08:38] <hondje> linux is not unix?
[08:39] <Amaranth> linux doesn't stand for anything
[08:39] <cyphase> yea, i thought of that as well
[08:39] <dr_willis> heh
[08:39] <cyphase> Amaranth, i know
[08:39] <thoreauputic> Tommy|: backports can introduce conflicts
[08:39] <chol> hondje, thats a good one! :)
[08:39] <cyphase> not officially anyway
[08:39] <Tommy|> that explains a LOT
[08:39] <Amaranth> there is the backronym Linux Is Not UniX, but that's crap
[08:39] <cyphase> but i was looking for things it could stand for
[08:39] <hondje> Amaranth: Only crap to people who don't obsess over silly details :)
[08:39] <dr_willis>  backronym  -- heh
[08:40] <snowseal> cyphase:  the linux project was started by linus
[08:40] <cyphase> i know, i know
[08:40] <Amaranth> he called it FreaX, iirc
[08:40] <Amaranth> the guy those hosted in on an ftp site named the dir linux
[08:40] <Amaranth> s/those/that/
[08:40] <saik0> would the following line in an init script start a something as a user and not root?  su saik0 -c "./server_linux -PID=tsserver2.pid"
[08:40] <cyphase> Amaranth, i know!
[08:40] <cyphase> lol
[08:40] <cyphase> i know what linux is
[08:40] <cyphase> etc etc
[08:41] <cyphase> i was just wondering what it *could* stand for
[08:41] <cyphase> lol
[08:41] <chol> saik0, sure, looks like it
[08:41] <Echelon-H> thoreauputic, thanks a lot man :)
[08:41] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: you have it working? Great !
[08:41] <thoreauputic> Echelon-H: you're welcome
[08:42] <chol> saik0, but you would need full path to server_linux since su:ing w/o - will have . where the previous user was at
[08:42] <ren0> Is red wine a good programming beverage?
[08:42] <hondje> ren0: inferior
[08:42] <Tommy|> forgot /exit exits the whole server '^^
[08:42] <hondje> small spills stain desk :(
[08:43] <snowseal> anyone got a tip on how to get the performace of the nvidia driver better?
[08:43] <saik0> chol, The script is in the same directory, hence the ./ That wont work?
[08:44] <ren0> In all seriousness now...I got this error message while following: ls: debian/build/linux-image-2.6.11-1-386_*i386.deb: No such file or directory dpkg-deb: --extract needs a target directory.
[08:44] <ren0> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelBuildpackageHowto
[08:44] <chol> saik0, i'd use full path to be absolutely sure
[08:44] <ren0> I was following the above
[08:44] <saik0> snowseal, dont run a desktop environment while gaming?
[08:44] <HiddenWolf> where can I find my .session file?
[08:44] <snowseal> i got a 3 pfs opelgl performace on screensaver
[08:45] <hondje> snowseal: read the README on nvidia's site, it has all the options for the card
[08:45] <snowseal> ok, good tip thx
[08:45] <hondje> Like my ever-so-pointless hardware accelerated cursor
[08:45] <ren0> I had just finished the step: dpkg-buildpackage -B -uc -us -rfakeroot
[08:45] <nalioth> HiddenWolf: have you looked in your home dir?
[08:46] <thenuke_> http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/displayimage.php?album=11&pos=3
[08:48] <reka> noob question: when mounting the second NTFS partitition in this system:    (XP (/dev/hda1), DATA, Ubuntu)
[08:48] <CargolNet> hi there, I have taught an ubuntu course and among other things some of my students want to get a DVD repository  of multiverse and universe
[08:48] <reka> what is DATA
[08:48] <reka> ?
[08:48] <CargolNet> Any Idea?
[08:48] <saik0> It still echoes the line from this statement: if [ "$UID" = "0" ] ; then echo WARNING ! For security reasons we advise: DO NOT RUN THE SERVER AS ROOT
[08:49] <hondje> a course in ubuntu?
[08:49] <reka> i.e. what is the partition name?
[08:49] <adam_> who know a good free game in linux?
[08:49] <HiddenWolf> nalioth, yes
[08:49] <CargolNet> yes a course about ubuntu
[08:49] <DagaZ> adam_, chromium is nice if u have opengl
[08:49] <hondje> CargolNet: That's neat
[08:49] <chol> saik0, try su - user
[08:49] <adam_> Opengl?
[08:50] <adam_> i hav a NVIDIA ge force 4
[08:50] <adam_> Dagaz thx
[08:50] <adam_> chromium
[08:50] <adam_> rpg? FPs?
[08:50] <thoreauputic> CargolNet: for personal use it would probably be OK - but multiverse in particular poses legal issues I think
[08:50] <CargolNet> I know how to make it in a very manual way, there is a wiki article un ubuntuusers.de: http://ubuntuusers.de/wiki/pakete:universe-paket-dvd-erstellen
[08:50] <reka> anyone?  mounting a second NTFS partition on the same disk.  what /dev name does it go by?  i know the first partition is /dev/hda1
[08:50] <saik0> chol, replace user with the one I want correct?
[08:50] <mirak> hello
[08:50] <CargolNet> thireauputic:I know the problem
[08:50] <adam_> lol mirak t la
[08:50] <thoreauputic> CargolNet: OK
[08:51] <mirak> doesn't somebody have a Lian Li V1000 PC0 case ?
[08:51] <adam_> mirak : LOOOL
[08:51] <mirak> does
[08:51] <DagaZ> adam_, It is called Chromium BSU.. it is a lot arcadelike.. spacegame seen from above.. it is neat
[08:51] <adam_> ok i will see
[08:51] <chol> saik0, yes
[08:51] <CargolNet> but It would be great to have a script which creates the dvd for you
[08:51] <adam_> Thx a lot
[08:51] <CargolNet> something like jigdo does in debian
[08:51] <saik0> chol, no dice
[08:52] <nickrud> reka, sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda will show the partitions and what's on them
[08:52] <adam_> not very fun
[08:52] <adam_> :(
[08:52] <reka> nickrud: thanks.
[08:53] <chol> saik0, confirm that it works with, su - user -c "id" and if it does, remove the check from the script :)
[08:53] <saik0> chol< i'm guessing it's because the su comes after the if that looks to see whether or not it's running as root. What I need to know is whether or not the su saik0 -c actually cahnged the user
[08:53] <reka> adam_: there's a topic on ubuntuforums.org
[08:54] <reka> related to some good games
[08:54] <adam_> yes but...
[08:54] <saik0> chol, you beat me to it. How do I check that
[08:54] <adam_> i'm french!
[08:54] <psychonate> adam_, legends, nexuiz, foobillard, trackballs, tuxkart, NETHACK, NETHACk, NETHACK
[08:54] <adam_> lol i don't understand a lot
[08:54] <chol> saik0, change ./server_linux to id
[08:54] <adam_> psychonate, i can dl nexuiz by the terminal?
[08:54] <psychonate> adam_, Check out www.happypenguin.org
[08:54] <thoreauputic> saik0: can you put in an "echo $(whoami) " to check?
[08:55] <dabi> how can i change desktop icons font and font size?
[08:55] <adam_> ok
[08:55] <chol> saik0, or else just make a wrapper script that su to your user and runs the start script
[08:56] <chol> saik0, and then symlink that script to it's proper rcX.d directory
[08:57] <saik0> thoreauputic, did that, it returned root =(
[08:57] <reka> dabi: sys->prefs->font
[08:57] <thoreauputic> saik0: hmm... not good then
[08:58] <ilRas> hello!
[08:59] <hondje> how do you bold in ubuntu's wiki?
[08:59] <ilRas> i have an on-board sound card, and an sb audigy 2 zs sound card... ubuntu makes the sound come out from the on-board sound, but i want it from the audigy by default. how do i change this?
[08:59] <spanglesontoast> what gui can I create icons on the desktop and edit the menu
[09:00] <Robbie1590> think this linux version would work with only 64mb of ram?
[09:00] <HiddenWolf> Robbie1590, no way
[09:00] <Robbie1590> lol im scared to put it on my new computer
[09:00] <Robbie1590> might mess it up
[09:00] <mjr> ilRas, see what driver the onboard sound is, then add to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base "options snd-whateveryouhave index=-2"
[09:00] <saik0> thoreauputic, nope. So "su user 'command'" does not appear to change the user in shell scripts. What does?
[09:00] <Robbie1590> it has 512mb ram would it work then?
[09:01] <HiddenWolf> Robbie1590, I now have several things open, including a tv-tuner, and using 182mb ram
[09:01] <mjr> ilRas, then remove sound modules and reload, or reboot
[09:01] <lonewolff> Robbie1590: it would run, it would be slow tho, you might want to do a server install and run a different gui (xfce for example)
[09:01] <HiddenWolf> lonewolff, on 64mb it'd be swapping just for gnome, so it'd be running so slow it'd not be running.
[09:02] <ablyss> saik0, run Root Terminal first, then do su "user"
[09:02] <lonewolff> HiddenWolf: notice my suggestion about dumping gnome for xfce or such lighter gui
[09:03] <nalioth> Robbie1590: 512mb is enough for most any OS
[09:03] <Sionide> how do i fix a broken package in synaptic without just deleting it??
[09:03] <Efwis> reka you still here?
[09:03] <saik0> ablyss, I'm trying to swicth users from within an rc script
[09:03] <reka> Efwis: yes
[09:03] <ablyss> saik0, you will need the root password
[09:03] <Efwis> didn't work, I just spent the last hour tryign to get back into ubuntu
[09:04] <Efwis> finally made it
[09:04] <reka> Efwis: sound problems iirc?
[09:04] <Tomcat_> Does anybody here knows how I can tunnel X through another server? Like... not forward it, but tunnel it through another SSH machine that has no X?
[09:04] <Efwis> yep
[09:04] <ablyss> saik0, i dont know about doing from a remote script rc? but if you run root terminal and do it there it works fine
[09:04] <reka> Efwis: ah, sorry if i made things worse for you
[09:04] <reka> :-(
[09:04] <HiddenWolf> lonewolff, ubuntu without gnome isn't ubuntu
[09:05] <Sionide> it's kubuntu...
[09:05] <hondje> It's just buntu
[09:05] <Efwis> I was able to fix it, now I can get going, but still no sound other then on the net
[09:05] <Sionide> or ubuntuk if you listen to lugradio
[09:05] <Sionide> lugradio.org :P
[09:05] <chol> saik0, sice root is in sudoers you could aswell use sudo over su
[09:05] <Efwis> when I did the fist step in that fix, it said that esd wasn't on the system, yet I know it is
[09:06] <ablyss> chol, not to switch users you can't
[09:06] <chol> saik0, but a wrapper script that runs the server_linux-script should work
[09:06] <chol> ablyss, but to start a program as a different user which is what we want to do
[09:06] <nalioth> Tomcat_: i'm not sure exactly how, but google has the answer (cuz i've read it b4)
[09:06] <Tomcat_> nalioth: Okay I've googled a bit already, I'll try some more.
[09:07] <reka> Efwis: and the rest of the steps?
[09:07] <Efwis> those went fine
[09:07] <nalioth> Tomcat_: what you are asking is a *nix/X thang, not just ubuntu
[09:07] <Efwis> thank god for the backup, thats what allowed me to get back in
[09:07] <nalioth> Tomcat_: and its quite commonly done in some places
[09:08] <ablyss> "su postgres initdb" works fine for me
[09:08] <reka> Efwis: hmmm, how did it not let you login?
[09:08] <ablyss> as i've stated.. you most run root terminal first to do that
[09:08] <ablyss> must*
[09:08] <saik0> ablyss, I'm not trying to do it from a terminal I'm trying to run it at boot time as a non-root user
[09:08] <ilRas> mjr: and how do i find out what driver it is... i just know it's a realtek ac97, chipset is nforce4 ultra
[09:09] <Efwis> after I put my username and pass in it would freeze unless I hit ctrl-alt F6 and did a killall esd
[09:09] <ablyss> saik0, ahh
[09:09] <chol> Efwis, esd doesn't fork, start it with &
[09:09] <ablyss> try this
[09:10] <ablyss> sudo su <user>
[09:10] <punnkrockguy318> i'm having a problem... none of my hard drives are being detected by my BIOS... I've had Ubuntu installed for about four months.. I didn't do anything, I just booted the PC today and my hard drives aren't being deteced and I'm getting a boot failure message... What can I do?
[09:10] <nalioth> Tomcat_: what you are asking is commonly done using 8086 clunkers to log into P-IV boxen (makes for hilarious doubletakes when unknowing passerby see)
[09:10] <reka> Efwis: ack.
[09:10] <Efwis> ??
[09:10] <ablyss> works for me
[09:10] <reka> chol: he has no sound unless he is on the net (is that right Efwis?)  i recommended he use the fix on ubuntuguide.org
[09:10] <nalioth> punnkrockguy318: check battery?
[09:10] <Efwis> correct
[09:10] <punnkrockguy318> nalioth, i'll try that... how can I check?
[09:10] <reka> and apparently made things worse
[09:11] <nalioth> punnkrockguy318: open yer box and replace with a new one
[09:11] <chol> reka, i see, strange error
[09:11] <saik0> ablyss nope
[09:11] <Efwis> looked around the boards and mine is totally different
[09:11] <punnkrockguy318> nalioth, hmm... I have no new batteries... Are all cmos batteries the same size and type? Can i just order one off of newegg?
[09:11] <reka> Efwis: what exactly do you mean by sound in the net?
[09:11] <nalioth> punnkrockguy318: just go to yer local pharmacy/grocery store/radio shack
[09:11] <saik0> sudo su saik0 echo $(whoami) returns root
[09:11] <nalioth> punnkrockguy318: they're common watch batteries
[09:12] <punnkrockguy318> nalioth, oh really? okay...
[09:12] <chol> saik0, is it the server_linux script that does the id checking?
[09:12] <nalioth> punnkrockguy318: you'd probably havta buy a box from newegg (the batts are really cheap)
[09:12] <Efwis> for example, my son likes to play games on nick.com, the games he plays the sound works, I can play cd's with no problems too
[09:12] <punnkrockguy318> so I just pop the old battery out and put the new one in? (while i'm grounded)
[09:12] <punnkrockguy318> nalioth, oh okay
[09:12] <nalioth> punnkrockguy318: yeppers
[09:12] <punnkrockguy318> nalioth, thanks a lot!
[09:12] <ablyss> ablyss@foobar:~$ sudo su postgres
[09:12] <ablyss> postgres@foobar:/home/ablyss$ whoami
[09:12] <ablyss> postgres
[09:12] <reka> Efwis: i see.
[09:13] <Efwis> i just don't have any system sounds without locking up the system or constantly hearing the question.wav from the greeter
[09:13] <saik0> chol indeed, but that line would echo saik0 if it was switching users correctly
[09:13] <reka> Efwis: hmm, i'm stumped, sorry.  thoreauputic is a bit of  a sound guru.  you might want to try him.
[09:14] <chol> saik0, and the 'su - saik0 -c ./server_linux' on the command line doesn' work?
[09:14] <thoreauputic> reka: hahah - hardly a sound guru - i just picked up a few solutions on this channel and reading :)
[09:14] <reka> thoreauputic: well, better than me at least.
[09:14] <saik0> chol as far as I can tell, no
[09:14] <chol> saik0, thats so strange
[09:15] <chol> saik0, should work since thats the only way to write it
[09:15] <thoreauputic> Efwis: I take it you tried the "fix sound" howto on http://ubuntuguide.org ?
[09:15] <reka> thoreauputic: yes, i almost killed his system with that. :-/
[09:15] <thoreauputic> !fixsound
[09:15] <ubotu> from memory, fixsound is http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[09:15] <thoreauputic> reka: ah, OK
[09:15] <nalioth> !sit!
[09:15] <ubotu> I don't know, nalioth
[09:16] <nalioth> sorry, couldnt resist
[09:16] <Efwis> yes i tried that already
[09:17] <reka> Efwis: sys->prefs->sound
[09:17] <reka> Efwis: at least you can disable the looped sound
[09:17] <Efwis> here is my current setup so I can get on Ubuntu: system>login screen settings>accessibility "make sound when window is ready" unchecked, System>preferences>sound>general "system sound events" unchecked
[09:19] <thoreauputic> Efwis: I disabled sound server startup for gnome as well
[09:19] <Efwis> if I check the sound events, and leave make sound when window is ready unchecked, no joy, no entry past login screen
[09:19] <thoreauputic> in fact curently I've totally disabled esd
[09:19] <IFRFLYR> Q. The linux-headers upgrade which I did last week when Ubuntu asked me to? I wonder: could it have replaced my ipw2200 wifi driver from 1.0.0 to the ubuntu standard of 0.1.9?
[09:20] <Efwis> i had the sound server startup disabled until I did the fixsound thing on the ubuntuguide
[09:20] <thoreauputic> Efwis: ah, disable it again then
[09:21] <Efwis> so basically, I'm back to where I was when I came in here :(
[09:21] <thoreauputic> Efwis: then use oss or alsa as output in bmp, xmms etc
[09:21] <punkrockguy318> nalioth, hmm.. i rebooted.. and this time it worked...
[09:21] <punkrockguy318> nalioth, maybe the battery is just low?
[09:21] <Efwis> actaully my system defaults to OSS
[09:21] <nalioth> punkrockguy318: they don't last forever
[09:21] <thoreauputic> Efwis: no, if you followed the howto you should now have dmix enabled
[09:22] <punkrockguy318> this pc is only four years old
[09:22] <IFRFLYR> Anyone know the address for ubuntu development irc?
[09:22] <thoreauputic> Efwis: I use gstreamer with rhythmbox, and OSS with beep
[09:22] <Efwis> thats just it, when I followed the first steps in the howto, it said esd wasn't on my system
[09:22] <nalioth> IFRFLYR: #ubuntu-dev, iirc
[09:22] <chol> IFRFLYR, it sounds plausible, have you chacked if the module version has changed?
[09:22] <thoreauputic> EfaistOs: what does `which esd` return?
[09:23] <IFRFLYR> chol: I *just* noticed it was reverted in dmesg. Now I'm trying to track down *who* did it.
[09:23] <IFRFLYR> nalioth - Yeah, I thought so but no soap...
[09:23] <chol> IFRFLYR, check which package owns the file
[09:23] <IFRFLYR> chol: um. Wow. How would I do that?
[09:23] <Efwis> thoreauputic, was that for me?
[09:23] <IFRFLYR> I mean I know how to *find * it, but...
[09:23] <stan> Does anyone consider it a problem that syslog uses localhost as a hostname rather than what's returned by gethostname()? It seems to be caused by line 1000 in syslogd.c in combination with the standard ubuntu /etc/hosts.
[09:24] <thoreauputic> Efwis: yes, sorry
[09:24] <chol> IFRFLYR, i'm temped to say man dpkg but it's not an easy page read :)
[09:24] <chol> IFRFLYR, dpkg -S /path/to/file
[09:24] <IFRFLYR> Thanks!
[09:24] <Efwis> how would I go about finding that out, in a root terminal?
[09:24] <thoreauputic> Efwis: just type ` which esd ` ina terminal and post the output
[09:25] <Efwis> ok one sec
[09:25] <ilRas> options snd-bt87x index=-2
[09:25] <IFRFLYR> chol: actually not necessary to do anything but locate: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko ;)
[09:25] <Di42lo> I'v change my screen to another...and ubuntu doesnt come up - i mean the gdm/gnome...how can i fix it ?
[09:25] <IFRFLYR> that tells me!
[09:25] <IFRFLYR> thanks for the help!
[09:25] <ilRas> thats why the audio of my fucking tv card is not working i suppose!
[09:25] <chol> IFRFLYR, but it only tells you that the file is there
[09:25] <Efwis> /usr/bin/esd
[09:25] <thoreauputic> Efwis: Ok so it's installed, obviously
[09:26] <Efwis> correct, and rather then screw up the command with a typo, i used cut and paste
[09:26] <thoreauputic> EfaistOs: disable sound server startup for gnome - you will lose system sounds, but hopefully gain others
[09:26] <thoreauputic> EfaistOs: and specify OSS or alsa as output for your beep or xmms
[09:27] <Efwis> if I use OSS everything else works
[09:27] <thoreauputic> EfaistOs: I took the drastic step of making esd non-executable: it just got in the way
[09:28] <Efwis> I know its because of this onboard sound card, but I don't have enough money to put out for the one I want.
[09:28] <thoreauputic> Efwis: sorry that was for you
[09:28] <Efwis> lol
[09:28] <thoreauputic> oops again
[09:29] <Efwis> i know my system uses the alc97 codec for my sound card, could the problem be in there somewhere?
[09:29] <thoreauputic> Efwis: I doubt it's anthing to do with your card
[09:29] <thoreauputic> mine uses ac97 too
[09:29] <reka> 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4 -L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[09:30] <reka> so does mine, just to depress you
[09:30] <Chetic> I have a PCI-E graphics card but when I try to use the fglrx drivers, it says it can't find the device! Help.
[09:30] <Efwis> :P
[09:30] <reka> Chetic: how did you install the drivers?
[09:30] <Chetic> reka, following the guide on the forums.. the howto
[09:30] <Chetic> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495&highlight=Ati
[09:31] <reka> egads.
[09:31] <reka> Chetic: someone ran into problems with that yesterday
[09:31] <Chetic> Is it not possible to have hardware acceleration with an ATi PCI-E card?
[09:32] <Efwis> hmm, even when I do the sound test I have to force quit the app
[09:32] <reka> i'm not sure, but that howto is aimed for "performance" and requires a lot more effort
[09:32] <reka> and in turn produces complication
[09:32] <Chetic> Well still, I have it installed correctly, I'm sure
[09:33] <Puff-n-Stuff> morning all.
[09:33] <Chetic> morning Puffboi
[09:33] <reka> Chetic: lsmod | grep "glrx"
[09:33] <reka> Chetic: lsmod | grep "fglrx"
[09:33] <Efwis> I just looked at my logs, its pointing to a gnome failure
[09:34] <Puff-n-Stuff> on hedgehog, how would one go about starting a second X server on virtual terminal 8?
[09:34] <Chetic> reka, It gives me nothing..
[09:34] <thoreauputic> Puff-n-Stuff: gdmflexiserver
[09:34] <reka> Chetic: then it seems like the module isn't being loaded.  i'm cautious about giving instructions though, because i haven't followed that howto
[09:35] <linukso> Puff-n-Stuff: run "new login" from applications->system
[09:35] <saik0> Huzzah I got it
[09:35] <Puff-n-Stuff> what if I wanted kde?
[09:35] <Puff-n-Stuff> hehe
[09:35] <Efwis> iabusinessprojects login[6936]  (pam_unix) authentication failure; logname=LOGIN uid=0 euid=0 tty=tty6 ruser= rhost=
[09:35] <Puff-n-Stuff> thanks.
[09:35] <Chetic> reka, I'm not using the fglrx driver now.. well, please do tell me how to check if it's loaded or make it load
[09:36] <linukso> Puf
[09:36] <thoreauputic> Puff-n-Stuff: linukso 's suggestion is just the menu version of the command I gave you
[09:36] <reka> Chetic: uh, doesn't that howto deal with install ati's fglrx driver?
[09:36] <Puff-n-Stuff> awesome...thanks
[09:36] <J0el> i need some help . i installed sdl .. the latest version ..but still this game gives me an error , Cannot initialise sdl: video not found.
[09:37] <J0el> im trying to run abuse
[09:37] <Puff-n-Stuff> now to figure out how to get this to send that out the external video port on this ibm thinkpad x30
[09:37] <Chetic> reka, yeah, and I have followed it through
[09:37] <Chetic> reka, yet you're saying it's not loading the module
[09:37] <reka> Efwis: that's rather cyrptic.  cursed programmers
[09:37] <ren0> Is anybody else having problems with Gaim crashing in Hoary?
[09:38] <Chetic> ren0, it's working great for me
[09:38] <reka> Chetic: that's just my assumption.  like i said, i haven't followd the instructions.
[09:38] <Efwis> could be worse, it could be windows
[09:38] <Efwis> lmao
[09:38] <Chetic> reka, but what does lsmod do then?
[09:38] <ren0> Thanks Chetic . Its crashed three times in a couple of minutes
[09:38] <Puff-n-Stuff> havent had gaim crash yet.
[09:38] <IFRFLY1> chol: maybe you or someone else knows: How can I revert to the last versio of linux headers for my machine? I
[09:38] <Puff-n-Stuff> but, I havent used it either.
[09:38] <IFRFLY1> I've had NOTHING but problems since "upgrading" the last one
[09:39] <reka> Chetic: lists the modules loaded, grep looks for patterns that match "fglrx"
[09:39] <chol> IFRFLY1, specify the version you want when you apt it
[09:39] <Chetic> reka, should the module be loaded even though I'm not using it?
[09:39] <IFRFLY1> Right. I take it they're sequentially numbered, so that if I grab the one before this one it'll be the last one before this one?
[09:40] <IFRFLY1> dumb question maybe
[09:40] <Murlocdundee> hey i need the skin for plone that ubuntu's website is using. Where can I download it ?
[09:40] <chol> IFRFLY1, not for sure.. perhaps the kernel has upgraded since and then the version will be totally other.. look at the ftp to see which files are accessible
[09:40] <Lupius> Hello, How can i scan my hard disk for any "Bad Sectors" ?? Im using 4.10 Ubuntu
[09:40] <reka> Chetic: well, my bet is it's not loaded, but you've said in xorg.conf to use it.  that's why you're getting "no device"
[09:41] <J0el> i need some help . i installed sdl .. the latest version ..but still this game gives me an error , Cannot initialise sdl: video not found.
[09:41] <nalioth> Lupius: open a terminal and type "man fsck"
[09:41] <reka> Chetic: hang on, i'll search for yesterday's log
[09:41] <Chetic> reka, that does sound interesting..
[09:41] <nalioth> J0el: if anyone knows the answer, they will ask
[09:41] <nalioth> J0el: give it a few minutes tween askings
[09:41] <IFRFLY1> chol: thanks!
[09:41] <J0el> nalioth,  ok thx.
[09:42] <chol> IFRFLY1, i'd recommend compiling your own kernel and compiling the wlan driver against that one
[09:42] <Lupius> nalioth,  its written for filesystem.... i need to check the hard disk in general for such things... will this do the trick
[09:42] <Lupius> ?
[09:42] <Chetic> reka, root@ubuntu:/ # modprobe fglrx
[09:42] <Chetic> FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-amd64-generic/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko): No such device
[09:42] <nalioth> Lupius: i'im not a hardware guy, but if anything will, it'll tell you
[09:45] <reka> Chetic: OK, i'll send you the log.  the parts you
[09:45] <reka> 're interested in involve delire and nova
[09:46] <Chetic> reka, guess you should use pastebin, this won't work..
[09:47] <Murlocdundee> does anyone know if the skin used by ubuntu's website is available somewhere ?
[09:47] <Murlocdundee> available to download
[09:47] <reka> damn, i think i missed the end of their convo as well, but delire steps through the install process: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/296079
[09:48] <nalioth> Murlocdundee: rip it right off the site
[09:48] <Chetic> ok reka, thanks.. hope this works
[09:48] <reka> Chetic: and if you can't get that to work, here's the instrucitons i used:
[09:48] <reka> !fglrxinstall
[09:48] <ubotu> [fglrxinstall]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowTo
[09:48] <Murlocdundee> nalioth: how ?
[09:49] <Chetic> reka, you have a PCI-E card..?
[09:49] <Murlocdundee> nalioth: you mean reverse-engineering
[09:49] <reka> no, AGP.  which is why i warned you several times that i am wary. :-)
[09:49] <nalioth> Murlocdundee: wget is wonderful for sucking every available thing from a website
[09:49] <nalioth> Murlocdundee: so is "save page as"
[09:50] <Murlocdundee> nalioth: and then how do I apply the same skin to my plone site ?
[09:50] <benjamin23> i downloaded the firefox installer from the main firefox website, which directory should i install it to , so it replaces the normal deb packaged version?
[09:50] <nalioth> Murlocdundee: don't know what plone is, you just asked how to get the contents
[09:50] <Murlocdundee> nalioth: yeah
[09:50] <nalioth> benjamin23: what is the matter with the ubuntu version?
[09:51] <Murlocdundee> nalioth: thanks anyway
[09:51] <hondje> it's slow as I am in the morning
[09:51] <filnev> OK got it up and running.
[09:51] <filnev> need root
[09:51] <benjamin23> it crashes all the time
[09:51] <benjamin23> anandtech and plextor.com
[09:51] <filnev> How do I get full root access
[09:51] <ilRas> ok my sound card works great now, i have tvtime as tv application... stations are tuned, i see them all fine... but i don't hear any sound! the line-in is un-muted, volume is set to the bax both in the souncardmixer and in tvtime... it's a bt878-based tv tuner.
[09:51] <ilRas> what could be wrong?
[09:52] <filnev> Hi everyone
[09:52] <ilRas> s/bax/max
[09:52] <linukso> filnev: sudo passwd root
[09:52] <filnev> It actually runs on a pentium 233 32mb ram!
[09:52] <filnev> I tried that
[09:53] <filnev> blank password
[09:53] <filnev> ?
[09:53] <jeroen_> -l
[09:53] <ilRas> filnev: applications menu, system tools, root terminal
[09:53] <linukso> filnev: no, set the root password you want
[09:53] <anatole_> anyone knows a windows emulator to run photoshop cs2?
[09:54] <linukso> anatole_: wine, but its not an emulator
[09:54] <filnev> No gui, or very slow gui. need console solution
[09:54] <anatole_> wine does not works
[09:54] <linukso> filnev: then run "sudo passwd root"
[09:54] <anatole_> gives the same faultmsg as cedega
[09:54] <mats> anatole_: why dosnt it work then?
[09:54] <caine> how do i install a deb file....when i click on the file it opens up the root terminal but how do i install it
[09:54] <anatole_> or i think photoshop gives that
[09:55] <jeroen_> caine, sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb
[09:55] <nalioth> caine: sudo dpkg -i filnemame.deb
[09:55] <mats> caine: dpkg -i file
[09:55] <jeroen_> nalioth, :)
[09:55] <mats> yes
[09:55] <linukso> anatole_: then wmware or win4lin might be other options, but I dont know bout that
[09:55] <anatole_> "photoshop does not runs under this version of operating system bal bla"
[09:55] <nalioth> jeroen_: it helps when you can't spell for nuthin
[09:55] <benplaut> we really should stop telling people to use dpkg, and instead to use debins...\
[09:55] <anatole_> yeah i'm thinking about wmware
[09:55] <jeroen_> nalioth, filnemame!
[09:55] <filnev> got it !!!
[09:55] <filnev> thanx
[09:55] <jeroen_> benplaut, debins?
[09:55] <nalioth> benplaut: debin<what>?
[09:56] <mats> benplaut: debins?
[09:56] <filnev> seems I had already set the password before and didnt realize.
[09:56] <filnev> Thanx
[09:56] <nalioth> benplaut: Explain Yourself, please!
[09:56] <benplaut> it creates a virtual repo on your hdd, and can therefore work with apt-get to solve dependancies, while it's at it
[09:56] <benplaut> with a GUI :)
[09:57] <nalioth> hmmmm ya mean like synaptic?
[09:57] <linukso> sudo doesn't want the root passwd, it wants you password, given that your an admin user (listed in /etc/sudoers)
[09:57] <filnev> OK is it safe to say that runlevel 3 will not start X by default ?
[09:57] <benplaut> like synaptic... but can install packages not int he repos
[09:57] <filnev> Im about to edit the inittab file.
[09:57] <mats> benplaut: ok ;) do you got a web-link?
[09:57] <benplaut> just a sec
[09:58] <mats> nice :)
[09:58] <rob_> Hello all, Anyone out there have sound working on a Toshiba Tecra 8000?  The sound card in question is the Yamaha opl3sa2.  I'm trying to get ALSA configured for this card.  Any thoughts, links?
[09:59] <benplaut> here it is:
[09:59] <benplaut> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=158724&postcount=49
[09:59] <mats> benplaut: thanks ;)
[10:00] <ubuntunobuntu> hi @all is there a news panel applet for gnome like knewsticker?
[10:02] <J0el> i need some help . i installed sdl .. the latest version ..but still this game gives me an error , Cannot initialise sdl: video not found.
[10:03] <poptones> Has anyone left Hoary for Warty because of all the little problems?
[10:04] <tonkar> Chile?
[10:04] <poptones> I found hoary much harder to setup, much harder to configure, and not even as easy to use in most stuff but I want the latest nautilus and firefox and gimp
[10:04] <TheDracle> What little problems does Hoary have?
[10:04] <TheDracle> Hm.
[10:04] <TheDracle> What problems did you have setting it up?
[10:04] <poptones> the sound quality is not as good with my gefcorce motherboard (and that was after I made it work at all), the video is a pain in the butt to setup
[10:05] <TheDracle> Hm.
[10:05] <ubuntunobuntu> hello knows anyone  gnome applet for news?
[10:05] <TheDracle> What kind of video card do you have?
[10:05] <TheDracle> It isn't being detected?
[10:05] <poptones> and lots of little things I couldn';t even descibe, it just "feels clunky" compared to warty
[10:05] <poptones> i wanted a mini system so I got a motherboard with video and all on it.
[10:05] <TheDracle> poptones: Could be because you're using a generic video driver because it didn't detect your card?
[10:05] <poptones> a shuttle MN31N it was actually a quest to even get one
[10:06] <nalioth> ubuntunobuntu: yarssr
[10:06] <poptones> no i am using a generic video driver now in warty and it works great
[10:06] <poptones> but if i install warty it is stuck at low rez
[10:06] <poptones> unless i install the nvidia driver
[10:06] <TheDracle> Right.
[10:07] <poptones> i do not want to install the nvidia driver, it makes the sound quality sauck
[10:07] <tonkar> i'm looking for an apt-get repository wich contains kdeedu, some idea?
[10:07] <poptones> the open source sound driver is better than nvidia
[10:07] <hondje> how would video module affect sound?
[10:07] <poptones> i do not know it apparently installs them as a bundle
[10:07] <TheDracle> hondje: It wouldn't he said things feel clunky.
[10:07] <hondje> tonkar: universe :)
[10:08] <poptones> yes things just feel clunky, like sometimes an app crashes unexpectedly or whatever
[10:08] <poptones> in warty the only thing that ever crashed was firefox
[10:08] <TheDracle> Hm, mabye just because it's using the newest aps?
[10:08] <hondje> ah, yes
[10:08] <tonkar> universe?
[10:08] <poptones> and that is the rendering bug i think
[10:08] <tonkar> i need it for hoary
[10:08] <TheDracle> My Hoary system has been very stable.
[10:09] <TheDracle> I don't think I've had anything crash yet.
[10:09] <poptones> i don't know.. I just wish I could have  warty just like it is but with gnome 2.1 and gimp 2.2
[10:09] <TheDracle> And, the installation has been just fine.
[10:09] <hondje> tonkar: kdeedu is in universe, like deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[10:09] <hussam> what is autopackage?
[10:09] <TheDracle> poptones: You could always build them from sources.
[10:10] <poptones> whaoh I cannot even get imagemagick to vcompile from the source!
[10:10] <Trixsey> Hey! Anyone around?
[10:10] <tonkar> ok ..... i will try it, thanks ;)
[10:10] <poptones> i tried, i followed instructions, it ain't happening
[10:10] <TheDracle> .. I would assume, since the kernel is in the same family, you could use the binaries from hoary..
[10:10] <Trixsey> I got a problem... I set my watch but Ubuntu keeps resetting the BIOS watch :-( Its real disturbing since I'm using an LCD on my computer to show me the current time!
[10:10] <poptones> and building gnome rom source.. isn't that ridiculously complex?
[10:10] <jeroen_> I connected my computer and tv with an s-video cable. When in terminal (and booting, etc) the tv shows the same as the screen, but in graphical mode, it starts blinking weirdly. My video card is a Ati Radeon 9200SE; I do not have the non-free drivers. Any help would be appreciated
[10:11] <TheDracle> jeroen_: What kind of video card is it?
[10:11] <chol> jeroen_, lower your refresh rate
[10:11] <jeroen_> TheDracle, Ati Radeon 9200SE
[10:11] <TheDracle> Oh yeah :p
[10:11] <TheDracle> Lol.
[10:11] <jeroen_> chol, is it possible to edit it only for the tv?
[10:11] <raDeon> WHO CALLED ME
[10:11] <raDeon> WHOI
[10:11] <raDeon> WHO
[10:11] <raDeon> WHO
[10:11] <raDeon> SPEAK UP
[10:11] <raDeon> NOW
[10:11] <jeroen_> haha, I mean the video card. Relax, man!
[10:12] <raDeon> oh
[10:12] <chol> Trixsey, it runs hwclock --systohc at shutdown, set all your clocks to the same time
[10:12] <raDeon> you summoned me from my slumber
[10:12] <raDeon> i grant you 2.5 wishes
[10:12] <TTilus> jeroen_: speaking about radeons, doya have "rubbish" problem with 3D graphics?
[10:12] <Trixsey> chol, I already set the BIOS clock and the clock in Linux
[10:12] <Trixsey> Do I have more than that?
[10:12] <jeroen_> TTilus, yes, when playing gl-117
[10:12] <nalioth> raDeon: please grow up
[10:12] <Trixsey> I mean.. Ubuntu time is 22:12 now, and BIOS clock is 22:12
[10:12] <raDeon> naderman, please mind your business
[10:12] <chol> jeroen_, dunno.. look at the driver man page if there is one, perhaps it has specific options for tv-out
[10:12] <TTilus> jeroen_: not managed to solve?
[10:12] <raDeon> if i want to pretend to be a genie, let me have my fun
[10:13] <TheDracle> I think you can have multiple "Screen" devices that attach to the same video card.
[10:13] <TTilus> jeroen_: (just desperately seeking a solution)
[10:13] <tonkar> it workes! thanks a lot, and now i'm going to learn latin with klatin :P ...
[10:13] <jeroen_> chol, I eh.. forgot how to do that, lower the refreshrate :S (except for xorg.conf)
[10:13] <raDeon> tonkar, no problem
[10:13] <mae> whats the daemon that automatically adds folders in /media when hald tells it a new device is connected?
[10:13] <_Church_of_FoamY> i have an odd problem
[10:13] <jeroen_> TTilus, no; and Klatin is cool, huh?
[10:13] <raDeon> klatin is very cool
[10:13] <chol> Trixsey, look at hwclock and make sure that all clocks are the same time, thats all i can say, if there still i a difference whene you boot up perhaps the battery is bad
[10:13] <jeroen_> mae, (guess): hotplug
[10:13] <mats> _Church_of_FoamY: o?
[10:14] <_Church_of_FoamY> my vid card untill a few days ago used to work with ubuntu
[10:14] <chol> jeroen_, thats what you want to do, edit it in xorg.conf
[10:14] <raDeon> Trixsey, bad battery
[10:14] <_Church_of_FoamY> now it wont
[10:14] <TheDracle> jeroen_, Go to your xorg.conf file, and find the Section "Screen" part. You can probably specify another screen, and change its settings to use the same video card.
[10:14] <TTilus> jeroen_: this?  http://edu.kde.org/klatin/
[10:14] <_Church_of_FoamY> ubuntu dosen't see it any more and give me a x error of somesort
[10:14] <TTilus> johns^: dunno about coolness
[10:15] <_Church_of_FoamY> but it still runs video?
[10:15] <TTilus> johns^: oops, sorry
[10:15] <TTilus> jeroen_: dunno about coolnees, never tried
[10:15] <TheDracle> jeroen_: But, you'll have to change the Section "ServerLayout" portion to use the telivision screen, instead of the monitor, and switch it back when you switch back to your monitor.
[10:16] <jeroen_> TheDracle, I can't use both at the same time?
[10:16] <Chetic> [fglrx:firegl_init]  *ERROR* Device not found! Error inserting fglrx
[10:17] <TheDracle> jeroen_: I'm not sure if that's possible, it may be.
[10:17] <nalioth> what time zone is UTC?
[10:17] <Trixsey> raDeon: Bad CMOS battery? You sure? Never had this problem untill I resett my watch :P
[10:17] <Trixsey> Those batteries use to last forever, and my comp aint too old either
[10:18] <TheDracle> jeroen_: I mean, can your video card display in two different video modes simultaneously?
[10:19] <jeroen_> TheDracle, well, during boot it was fine with doing both at the same time, so it is in a terminal
[10:19] <Chetic> Can I not have mesa AND fglrx installed at the same time?
[10:20] <TheDracle> jeroen_: Right, so, if you bump down your refresh rate, both will probably display, but one with limited video quality.
[10:20] <pat^_> hi, are there any bootdisks available ? i want to install ubuntu on a dell notebook of a friend but it can't boot from the external cd drive
[10:20] <WeirdAl> So I connect to MSN (sorry) through Gaim happily but when I send a message it says there's a problem with the switchboard and no sendy.
[10:20] <xhaker> what good identd daemon you recommend?
[10:21] <pat^_> xhaker: oident
[10:21] <WeirdAl> Also, my i-pen keeps cutting out. Basically a USB mouse.
[10:21] <WeirdAl> Works if I plug it back in again
[10:21] <Sero> What packages are needed for alsa? I know in Gentoo it's alsa-utils and alsa-tools but I don't see alsa-tools in the packages.
[10:22] <odie5533> Is there a way to resize ext3 partitions?
[10:22] <Trixsey> I got a problem... I set my watch but Ubuntu keeps resetting the BIOS watch :-( Its real disturbing since I'm using an LCD on my computer to show me the current time!
[10:22] <odie5533> WeirdAl: with the GAIM, I had the same problem. Try iming someone else
[10:22] <WeirdAl> k
[10:22] <thechitowncubs> everyone buy apple stock
[10:22] <[Chameleon] > no kidding
[10:22] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: you mean intel stock
[10:23] <thechitowncubs> no
[10:23] <odie5533> everyone buy odie stock!
[10:23] <thechitowncubs> i mean apple stock
[10:23] <[Chameleon] > both
[10:23] <nalioth> odie5533: parted?
[10:23] <odie5533> nalioth, is that a program to resize partitions?
[10:23] <WeirdAl> odie5533, that got the Gaim one, cheerses
[10:23] <rob_> Has anyone had any success in getting an opl3sa2 soundcard working using the ALSA drivers on Hoary?
[10:23] <benplaut> odie: for a GUI, QTparted
[10:24] <thechitowncubs> gparted
[10:24] <jeroen_> thechitowncubs, just so your stocks will rise? Don't think so :p
[10:24] <odie5533> Ah ok, thanks for the help I'm gonna boot up on my recovery disk, later
[10:24] <thechitowncubs> :(, you got me
[10:24] <WeirdAl> benplaut, thechitowncubs, I've tried both of those and I couldn't get either to actually resize my partition.
[10:24] <nalioth> odie5533: it is a f/oss partition thang in the style of partition magic
[10:24] <WeirdAl> It was my root partition I was trying to resize, though.
[10:24] <WeirdAl> That might have had something to do with it.
[10:25] <pat^_> are there any bootdisks available or at least some documentation where to get them if they exist ?
[10:26] <AirWays> Where are all those Icons which are in that "Startup menu" ?
[10:26] <thechitowncubs> you can't resize and active partition
[10:26] <ompaul> how do I stop CD Player from launching when a cd is put in the player?
[10:26] <WeirdAl> Yeah I know
[10:26] <thechitowncubs> you need to do it from a live cd enviornment or through a boot disc
[10:26] <WeirdAl> I tried it with a live CD
[10:26] <nalioth> AirWays: /usr/share/icons i believe
[10:27] <AirWays> No not that
[10:27] <thoreauputic> ompaul: I think it's an option in "removable media"
[10:27] <WeirdAl> ompaul, System > Preferences > Removable Drives and Media
[10:27] <AirWays> I mean those program starters, that panel at there up
[10:27] <AirWays> :D
[10:27] <ompaul> thanks thoreauputic, WeirdAl
[10:29] <IcemanV9> wait, wait .. livecd have gparted or QTparted?? didn't know that.
[10:29] <ompaul> thoreauputic, WeirdAl done :)
[10:29] <filnev> How do I prevent X from starting at boot?
[10:29] <AirWays> Where is startup menu's files?
[10:29] <WeirdAl> Anyone know why my USB mouse keeps giving up?
[10:29] <thoreauputic> filnev: change /etc/X11/default-display-manager to false
[10:30] <Darth_Vader> ..l'esame e` alle 8 e mezza..
[10:30] <Darth_Vader> wops
[10:30] <Darth_Vader> pardon
[10:30] <mats> WeirdAl: checkd you batteris?
[10:30] <mats> batterys*
[10:30] <WeirdAl> doesn't have batteries.
[10:30] <IcemanV9> usb mouse worked just fine here
[10:30] <AirWays> Where is startup menu's files?
[10:30] <WeirdAl> Yeah, works on the other laptop too.
[10:30] <Chetic> How do I resume a torrent download with the gnome BT client? (after closing it)
[10:30] <IcemanV9> it's powered by usb, mats
[10:31] <WeirdAl> AirWays, what do you mean by startup menu?
[10:31] <xhaker_> pat: i cant setup my identd :S
[10:31] <mats> ;)
[10:31] <gingermark> Hey peeps, does "apt-cache search x" show what programs on your computer are related to "x", or rather the available programs that are related to "x"?
[10:31] <AirWays> Well
[10:31] <IcemanV9> WeirdAl: try other usb port?
[10:31] <AirWays> That button which contains that Ubuntus logo
[10:31] <pestilence> gingermark: available
[10:31] <WeirdAl> The Applications menu?
[10:31] <pestilence> gingermark: available and installed
[10:31] <AirWays> Jeah
[10:31] <WeirdAl> I've been wondering that myself.
[10:31] <AirWays> Just that
[10:31] <WeirdAl> Trying to work out how to add a launcher to it.
[10:32] <gingermark> thanks
[10:32] <WeirdAl> It was easy in Warty
[10:32] <AirWays> Well where are those fileS?
[10:32] <pestilence> AirWays: poke around .gnome and .gnome2
[10:32] <IcemanV9> Chetic: internet > gnome bittorrent
[10:33] <Chetic> IcemanV9, Direct me to where I can get last nights family guy then
[10:34] <IcemanV9> Chetic: tv > vcr :P
[10:34] <thechitowncubs> I am having a problem ejecting my CD ROM drives
[10:34] <Chetic> IcemanV9, It takes 3 or more years for that episode to air here, it takes less than an hour to download it with torrent
[10:34] <WeirdAl> I've given up because the laptop's USB ports are entirely on the wrong side for it to be practical :-(
[10:34] <xhaker> ppl
[10:34] <thechitowncubs> is there a way that i can make it eject by hitting the button, because it gives me an error when i try to eject it from the desktop "eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument"
[10:34] <Chetic> What's that IcemanV9? Is that the smell of.. BURN ;D
[10:35] <xhaker> i need help setting up my identd server oidentd
[10:35] <thoreauputic> thechitowncubs: try setting it suid root : sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/eject
[10:36] <xhaker> i've created the config and entered there global { reply "something" }
[10:37] <AirWays> Where I can get GNOME themes?
[10:37] <thechitowncubs> www.gnome-look.org
[10:37] <thechitowncubs> art.gnome.org
[10:37] <thingfish> at art.gnome.org
[10:37] <adam_> how to install nexuiz?
[10:37] <adam_> please
[10:37] <thoreauputic> AirWays: and also sudo apt-get install gnome-themes-extras
[10:37] <AirWays> ij
[10:37] <Chetic> root@ubuntu:/ # modprobe fglrx
[10:37] <Chetic> FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-amd64-generic/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko): No such device <-Now what do I do? I want to load that freakin' module!!
[10:37] <AirWays> ok
[10:38] <adam_> How i could install a game??
[10:38] <adam_> i have all folders but..
[10:38] <adam_> i dont know how to install that
[10:39] <nalioth> adam_: use synaptic
[10:39] <nalioth> adam_: lots of games
[10:39] <thoreauputic> adam_: it might help to say which game...
[10:39] <adam_> i hav download a game
[10:39] <adam_> but i dont knw how to install it
[10:39] <thoreauputic> so you said
[10:39] <adam_> i'm new in linux
[10:39] <adam_> :)
[10:40] <thoreauputic> adam_: we guesed :)
[10:40] <thoreauputic> adam_: which game?
[10:40] <adam_> Nexuiz
[10:41] <adam_> do you know it?
[10:41] <The_ANtipop> hey guys
[10:41] <adam_> hi
[10:41] <bassboy> somebody knows did if unbuntu cames with a default root password?
[10:41] <The_ANtipop> is it possible to run photoshop on hoary
[10:41] <ompaul> bassboy, it does not, one uses sudo in the place of su or root logins
[10:42] <thoreauputic> The_ANtipop: maybe with Crossover Office - not sure
[10:42] <The_ANtipop> wats that
[10:42] <The_ANtipop> i heard you could run it on WINE but I think my comps too slow to do that well
[10:42] <adam_> So you dont know how to install it?
[10:42] <ompaul> bassboy, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:43] <thoreauputic> The_ANtipop: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=crossover+office+linux&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
[10:43] <thoreauputic> The_ANtipop: not too hard , methinks...
[10:43] <Campa[SUN] > can anyone here help a total linux noob out
[10:43] <The_ANtipop> cool, thanks
[10:43] <The_ANtipop> sure
[10:43] <The_ANtipop> ill try
[10:43] <Campa[SUN] > ok i installed ubuntu 5.04
[10:44] <ompaul> Campa[SUN] , if you tell us what you want to know we might be able to help
[10:44] <Campa[SUN] > but it doesnt find my ethernet card or my wireless card
[10:44] <The_ANtipop> o yeah
[10:44] <Campa[SUN] > my ethernet card is a  Marvel Yukon 88E8053 PCI-E
[10:44] <The_ANtipop> it wont recognize my printer either:(?
[10:45] <Campa[SUN] > the Wireless is a Netgear 108 Mps WG511T
[10:45] <Campa[SUN] > thats on my laptop btw
[10:45] <chol> Campa[SUN] , have you googled to see if these devices are supported by the kernel?
[10:45] <Campa[SUN] > my friend can plug in the wireless card and it runs just fine on his ubuntu
[10:45] <Campa[SUN] > so i think its a problem with my pcmcia card reader maybe
[10:46] <ompaul> Campa[SUN] , what model of laptop is it?
[10:46] <Campa[SUN] > chol, the netgear card should run fine, it does on my friends laptop
[10:46] <The_ANtipop> huh
[10:46] <The_ANtipop> anyw ay to "aquire" this crossover office
[10:46] <Campa[SUN] > its a custom laptop based on a Clevo M400A
[10:46] <hondje> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MATLAB  ....anyone see any dumb errors?
[10:47] <Sero> What's the command to make a new account?
[10:47] <ompaul> bassboy, pm yes dcc no
[10:48] <thoreauputic> The_ANtipop: this isn't a warez channel if that's what you mean
[10:48] <The_ANtipop> lol i know
[10:48] <The_ANtipop> jsut found the trial version
[10:48] <The_ANtipop> nvrmnd
[10:48] <ilRas> Campa[SUN]  my ethernet card is a  Marvel Yukon 88E8053 PCI-E
[10:48] <ilRas> have the same problem as your
[10:49] <ilRas> fortunatelly i have two on-board lan
[10:49] <ilRas> one is nvidia and that works eheh
[10:49] <nalioth> The_ANtipop: if you know enough to quote the word acquire, you hardly need us to guide you
[10:49] <The_ANtipop> ture
[10:49] <The_ANtipop> alrite thanks guys
[10:49] <The_ANtipop> always count on you :)
[10:49] <timbo22za> hi all, got a prob with synaptic. tried installing flux and all im getting is W: Failed to fetch http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/menu/menu_2.1.20_i386.deb
[10:50] <ompaul> hondje, I think you should stress the java thing at the top of the article - i.e. This needs java - instuctions Here.
[10:50] <jeroen_> How can I guess my TV's refresh rate?
[10:50] <timbo22za> i can naviget to the directory tho
[10:50] <Campa[SUN] > so i guess noone can help me? :(
[10:50] <chol> jeroen_, pal 50 or 60, ntsc 60
[10:50] <ompaul> hondje, only because I thought I was winning then I get do java - but you do not say jre or tudder one
[10:50] <hondje> ompaul: good thinking, though it doesn't really need java, just for the GUI stuff
[10:50] <chol> Campa[SUN] , i asked you a question, did you follow up on it?
[10:50] <hondje> oh, good point
[10:51] <Campa[SUN] > chol, the netgear wireless runs on my friends laptop, he got an acer inspire tho
[10:51] <Campa[SUN] > he has the same ubuntu version installed
[10:51] <Campa[SUN] > he just plugs it in and ubunti recognizes it
[10:51] <moquist> does anybody here know if Hoary supports / on RAID?
[10:51] <ompaul> hondje, well I do evaluate a lot of stuff in work - double think what people suggest and others want - where people suggest are techies - and others are people who never saw this technology before :)
[10:52] <chol> Campa[SUN] , then i guess the next logical step would be to plug in some other card to see if the pcmcia-slots are working?
[10:52] <wasabi_> moquist, not exactly a valid question. Ubuntu supports "raid". Hardware raid ubuntu isn't even aware of.
[10:52] <wasabi_> Are you refering to a specific device or type?
[10:52] <Campa[SUN] > i plugged in his asus wireless card which runs fine on his ubuntu too, doesnt work on mine
[10:52] <jeroen_> chol, and the horizsync and depth (sorry I ask so much ;) )
[10:52] <Campa[SUN] > it doesnt even detect the hardware
[10:52] <hondje> ompaul: My thinking was that someone looking for matlab in the docs would probably be stuck at how it wont run unless you copy to hda
[10:52] <moquist> wasabi_: sure.  but can I configure RAID5 at install time and put / on it?
[10:52] <wasabi_> you mean software raid?
[10:52] <Sero> I can't get my sound to work I apt-get installed alsamixergui and it said function snd_ctl open failed for
[10:52] <moquist> wasabi_: yes
[10:52] <Sero>              default: no such file or dir
[10:52] <wasabi_> Yes.
[10:52] <worksucks05> Hi Boys and Girls... here is the scoop... linux noob here, heading out to work very soon, and gotta get this working.....I installed openbox, but I can't get it to load, as it just hangs, and I can't get it to be the default window manager...Can anyone help?
[10:52] <moquist> wasabi_: thx
[10:52] <Campa[SUN] > so i guess the pcmcia slots dont work properly
[10:53] <wasabi_>  /boot must be on a non-software raid partition though
[10:53] <wasabi_> or a raid 1 mirror anyways
[10:53] <hondje> ompaul: how about a prereqs section to start it off?
[10:53] <ompaul> Campa[SUN] , it seems you need to research your motherboard, have a look at the box with kanotix which does more laptops than you can shake a stick at, in a couple of months breezy will be there if it is not there today
[10:53] <wasabi_> as it is read by the bootloader, which has no knowledge of software raid
[10:53] <moquist> wasabi_: ok; thx
[10:53] <ompaul> hondje, just a sec
[10:53] <wasabi_> moquist, look for LVM in the partitioner
[10:53] <spanglesontoast> will ubuntu run on a k6?
[10:53] <chol> jeroen_, just put something lower than 75 on both and try, if no success lower it gradually
[10:54] <wasabi_> and MD.
[10:54] <nalioth> spanglesontoast: yes it will
[10:54] <ilRas> /dev/hda1       /mnt/winxp      ntfs    ro,user         0       0 <- what should i add to make it readable by all users? right now only root can read the mounted partition...
[10:54] <wasabi_> A combonation of the two is supurb.
[10:54] <jeroen_> chol, the problem is, that takes so much time :(
[10:54] <jeroen_> thx
[10:54] <Campa[SUN] > ompaul the problem is its a custom laptop...
[10:54] <spanglesontoast> how much memory
[10:54] <spanglesontoast> ?
[10:54] <Campa[SUN] > where can i download kanotix btw
[10:54] <Robbie1590> hey
[10:54] <chol> Campa[SUN] , you need to learn to google
[10:55] <nalioth> Tritis: Amaranth bob2 anyone what is the chan for the council meeting?
[10:55] <Robbie1590> when i save the live ubuntu will it be a data cd or a bootable cd
[10:55] <ompaul> Campa[SUN] , I made my suggestion based on the following, lappies and linux get a lot of motherboads tested in kanotix
[10:55] <moquist> wasabi_: yep.  thx.
[10:55] <Amaranth> nalioth: -meeting
[10:55] <ompaul> Campa[SUN] , I go to www.distrowatch.com
[10:55] <ancientorange> hi
[10:55] <Robbie1590> hello?
[10:55] <Robbie1590> ancient
[10:56] <nalioth> Amaranth: thx
[10:56] <ancientorange> i am new to ubuntu and i ve got a few questions
[10:56] <Amaranth> nalioth: that's tomorrow though
[10:56] <ancientorange> how can i mount a windows share on my ubuntu system ?
[10:56] <nalioth> Amaranth: thought i read it was today
[10:57] <hondje> what are the ati non-3d drivers? Like nvidia has nv?
[10:57] <ompaul> hondje, I think the voodoo sentence might do with a smiley it is a little heavy for a noob
[10:57] <Amaranth> nalioth: june 7th 21:00 UTC
[10:57] <nalioth> Amaranth: been havin a lot of trouble with the intelligence barrier (my own)
[10:57] <ancientorange> i cant find a command linke smbmount
[10:57] <nalioth> Amaranth: well i read 6 June 2200UTC
[10:57] <Campa[SUN] > thank you ompaul
[10:57] <hondje> ompaul: good catch
[10:57] <ompaul> Campa[SUN] , for kanotix? ;-)
[10:58] <Campa[SUN] > and chol if you dont want to help thats ok
[10:58] <Lafitte-> kanotix sucked on my laptop
[10:58] <Campa[SUN] > for the link, ompaul
[10:58] <ompaul> Campa[SUN] , no worries
[10:58] <Amaranth> nalioth: oh, it's june 7th 22:00 UTC
[10:58] <Amaranth> nalioth: that's what the -meeting topic says
[10:58] <Campa[SUN] > i just love the look of ubuntu thats why i wanted get it running... but if it cant find my cards theres no point :/
[10:58] <worksucks05> Can anyone help me out with openbox and metacity?
[10:58] <nalioth> Amaranth: i'm so confused on all this stuff
[10:59] <Amaranth> worksucks05: openbox and metacity are both window managers
[10:59] <Lafitte-> Campa[SUN] ,  you should use M$Windows
[10:59] <ancientorange> can any body explain to me how to mount a windows share on my system ? smbmount doesnt seem to work :-(
[10:59] <chol> Campa[SUN] , sorry if i sound evil.. but if you google for "my_network_card supported linux" perhaps you'd gotten the answer right away
[10:59] <worksucks05> yup... gotcha...I installed openbox, but can't get it to load by default
[10:59] <Lafitte-> Campa[SUN] ,  i think any linux might be abit out of control for you
[10:59] <ompaul> Lafitte-, Campa[SUN]  has no way of doing ubuntu without some hardware hacking and did not indicate that they could do so, as a result and given that kanotix has a huge base of developers who use laptops I think it is only fair to offer it as a possible short term solution
[11:00] <jeroen_> chol, It doesn't work :( I've tried several times, with rates as low as 20, doens't work
[11:00] <nalioth> Amaranth: and as luck would have it, i will have to make time tomorrow, where today i'm off
[11:00] <Lafitte-> ompaul,  sure why not    i hve a centrino  and kaotix ould not even load, but i like ubuntu anyways
[11:00] <crazybum5> im having a lot of trouble with wireless can anyone help me
[11:00] <worksucks05> Amaranth -yup... gotcha...I installed openbox, but can't get it to load by default
[11:00] <chol> jeroen_, doesn't gnome have an app for setting resolutions and refresh rates?
[11:01] <Amaranth> worksucks05: ah, no idea where
[11:01] <jeroen_> chol yes, but for me it's limited to 60 hz and higher
[11:01] <Campa[SUN] > well i tried to install my network card with the ndiswrapper, didnt help either
[11:01] <Campa[SUN] > the wireless card that is
[11:01] <jeroen_> chol probably because of my xorg.conf settings?
[11:01] <chol> jeroen_, 60 should work, most modern tv:s can do it w/o problems
[11:01] <mats> tryed too update the kernel?
[11:01] <jeroen_> chol this TV is in *no way* modern!
[11:01] <jeroen_> It's PAL btw
[11:02] <worksucks05> Amaranth -I typed  % openbox --replace    but it doesn't do anything
[11:02] <Campa[SUN] > and lafitte, just because i dont know much about linux doesnt mean you have to behave like some elite nerd
[11:02] <Chetic> Is there some easy way to change Kernel options?
[11:02] <cssia> why can
[11:02] <jeroen_> chol you suggest 60 vertrefresh and 60 horizsync?
[11:02] <Amaranth> worksucks05: I only use GNOME, sorry.
[11:02] <chol> jeroen_, i have hsync 28-71 and vrefresh 43-71, that works for me and if I plug in another monitor and restart x, xorg chooses the highest one possible
[11:02] <cssia> why can't i uninstall any of the default ubuntu programs (gimp, ooo, etc) without uninstalling the ubuntu-desktop package?
[11:02] <ancientorange> can anybody please explain to me how to mount a Windows network share on my system ??
[11:02] <Lafitte-> Campa[SUN] ,  thats the thing    im far from elite nerd.....im trying to help you
[11:03] <mats> Chetic: why do it easy? :p i like the hardway :)
[11:03] <Campa[SUN] > youre not helping me at all by saying "you should use windows"
[11:03] <mats> ehhehee
[11:03] <worksucks05> Amaranth -Thanks, for now, because I have to head out to work asap, could you just tell me how to make metacity the default manager?
[11:03] <cssia> anyone?
[11:03] <Amaranth> worksucks05: Once again, not a clue.
[11:03] <Amaranth> worksucks05: Sorry.
[11:03] <cssia> Amaranth, hey, do you know why i can't uninstall ooo or gimp without uninstalling ubuntu-desktop?
[11:04] <Chetic> mats, I have most likely not got the patience
[11:04] <Lafitte-> Campa[SUN] ,  whatever     windows/linux   are both tools.....use whatever  just tring to save headache for you
[11:04] <nalioth> worksucks05: when you login and choose metacity, it should ask if you want it as default
[11:04] <timbo22za> ancientorange: try http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:04] <The_ANtipop> how do you play mp3s
[11:04] <Amaranth> cssia: Because ubuntu-desktop depends on them. ubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage though, you don't need it until you upgrade to breezy.
[11:04] <The_ANtipop> is there a plugin i need
[11:04] <hondje> Is fglrx hardware accelerated?
[11:04] <Amaranth> hondje: yes
[11:04] <Amaranth> The_ANtipop: You need gstreamer-mad
[11:04] <hondje> Amaranth: awesome...you know of any others besides that and nvidia?
[11:04] <Campa[SUN] > it doesnt give me a headache lafitte but thanks for your concerns
[11:04] <cssia> Amaranth, so you're saying i can uninstall ubuntu-desktop without issue?
[11:04] <mats> The_ANtipop: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:04] <crazybum5> with wirelesss configuration, is there anyway to change the keychannel
[11:04] <The_ANtipop> k
[11:04] <mats> lib file..
[11:04] <jeroen_> chol still not working :(
[11:04] <jeroen_> stupid TV
[11:05] <nalioth> The_ANtipop: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:05] <Amaranth> cssia: Until you want to upgrade to breezy, yes.
[11:05] <crazybum5> all of my wireless internets are different key channels
[11:05] <cssia> Amaranth, danke
[11:05] <Lafitte-> Campa[SUN] , hehe
[11:05] <worksucks05> nalioth - it doesnt' give me that option... just open box.. but, I would go back to the default gnome, but I can't seem to get that to load by itself
[11:05] <crazybum5> ?
[11:05] <chol> jeroen_, and you restart x with the tv plugged in?
[11:06] <crazybum5> sigh does anyone know anything about wireless, haha im going to have to switch back to windows if i dont get wireless set up
[11:06] <worksucks05> nalioth - I am a total noob too... just happens I am quite short on time tonight
[11:06] <jeroen_> chol TV plugged in (was also during boot), X is currently not running (bitchx)
[11:06] <crazybum5> and i really really dont want to do that too
[11:06] <jeroen_> chol I just now started it in tty2
[11:06] <chol> jeroen_, i've had problems using different screens, if I boot up with an external monitor xorg chooses the best resolution and refresh for it and to get back to the "internal" monitor i needed to restart x...
[11:08] <nalioth> worksucks05: come back and ask later
[11:09] <worksucks05> ok, sounds good, thanks
[11:11] <jeroen_> chol, it says 50 Hz on the back of the TV, you know..
[11:11] <jeroen_> Gnome will only let me select 60Hz though
[11:12] <juj1> hi, how to install kde
[11:12] <chol> jeroen_, yeah.. it's like that, but the 50hz on the back could be 50hz in the electrical circuits aswell.. but then again, pal is usually 50hz
[11:12] <jeroen_> now to tell gnome/x to use 50Hz ;)
[11:13] <chol> jeroen_, x can't do below 60 afaik
[11:13] <ancientorange> why doesnt this command work ?
[11:13] <ancientorange> ancientorange@glumimeetstux:~$ sudo mount //192.168.0.4/fancient fancient -o username="Ancient Orange",dmask=777,fmask="777"
[11:13] <ancientorange> ancientorange mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //192.168.0.4/fancient,
[11:13] <ancientorange> ancientorange        missing codepage or other error
[11:13] <ancientorange> ancientorange        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[11:13] <ancientorange> ancientorange        dmesg | tail  or so
[11:13] <chol> juj1, apt-get install kde perhaps?
[11:13] <jeroen_> chol, that's ehh... really nasty then
[11:14] <chol> ancientorange, is smbfs installed?
[11:14] <sas-couch> anyone ever gotten the ati drivers to work on the ATI mobile IGP chipsets?
[11:14] <sas-couch> cause ive read through the forums and havent really found a definitive answer on it
[11:14] <japoeder> Does anyone know if the new ipods are compatible with rhythmbox?
[11:15] <chol> ancientorange, dpkg -l smbfs
[11:16] <Jormundgand> http://ketsuban.net/images/stuff/banananana.png
[11:17] <chol> ancientorange, please.. in the channel
[11:17] <juj1> I tryed apt-get install kde    but it says the package does not have candidate for install
[11:17] <sas-couch> apt-get install kubuntu
[11:18] <chol> ancientorange, and un means it's not installed, so try and apt-get install it
[11:18] <mats> juj1: apt-cache search kde
[11:19] <ancientorange> chol ok i apt get install smbfs it
[11:19] <chol> ancientorange, good, you could try smbclient while your at it aswell
[11:19] <darkaudit> hmm... installed new nvidia drivers with a minimum of screw-ups ;)
[11:20] <ancientorange> chol kk
[11:20] <thoreauputic> juj1: actually it's "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop "
[11:20] <mats> juj1: its somethink like ukbuntu-desktop or something
[11:21] <thoreauputic> see above
[11:21] <mats> oh, thoreauputic .. you got it before me ;) tanks
[11:21] <mats> thanks
[11:21] <ancientorange> chol how can i allow normal users to use the mount command ?
[11:21] <chol> ancientorange, by setting the mountpoint up in fstab with the option users
[11:23] <ancientorange> chol ok thx. is there a ressource on the net which explains all this stuff so i don't have to ask people on the channel all the time ? i googled already but found no satisfying records so i came here
[11:23] <Seveas> ancientorange, man mount
[11:23] <Seveas> :)
[11:23] <chol> ancientorange, it's not so much magic to fstab, just look at the entries already there and compare to what your mount command is
[11:23] <Seveas> and wiki.ubuntu.com combined with tldp.org is also a good resource
[11:24] <juj1> looks like  "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" is doing it lot of things moving in the console , Ilet you know when stop
[11:24] <AirWays> How I can make new profile to linux, to /home/ folder example: /home/guest/ ?
[11:24] <Seveas> AirWays, adduser
[11:24] <Seveas> see the manpage for the details
[11:24] <AirWays> OKay
[11:24] <thoreauputic> juj1: it will download and install over 100MB of stuff
[11:25] <chol> ancientorange, and as Seveas pointed out, one needs to learn how to read man pages
[11:25] <ompaul> AirWays, guest accounts are a bad idea unless you lock them down like crazy
[11:25] <hondje> and change the defaults in sudoers
[11:25] <ancientorange> chol ancientorange@glumimeetstux:~$ sudo mount -t smbfs -o username="ancient orange" //192.168.0.4/fancient fancient
[11:25] <ancientorange> cli_negprot: SMB signing is mandatory and we have disabled it.
[11:25] <ancientorange> 11758: protocol negotiation failed
[11:25] <ancientorange> SMB connection failed
[11:25] <thoreauputic> hondje: new users are not in sudoers by default
[11:26] <hondje> Mine has ALL=ALL in it
[11:26] <hondje> or did before I changed it
[11:26] <chol> ancientorange, now it seems you have found an ubuntu specific question :)
[11:26] <thoreauputic> hondje: hmm - it shouldn't... odd
[11:26] <hondje> that was my thought, ungoodness
[11:26] <nalioth> thoreauputic: Seveas AirWays i always use System>Administration>Users and Groups
[11:26] <thoreauputic> unless that is the first account
[11:26] <Seveas> thoreauputic, or the admin group :)
[11:26] <AirWays> How I can delete user?
[11:27] <AirWays> If i can add it with "adduser"
[11:27] <hondje> thoreauputic: No, I noticed that after I added my users
[11:27] <thoreauputic> deluser
[11:27] <ancientorange> chol so what do i do now ?
[11:27] <Seveas> AirWays, with the same tool as nalioth pointed out, or use deluser
[11:27] <nalioth>  AirWays i always use System>Administration>Users and Groups
[11:27] <chol> ancientorange, see what google says about that error, could be that windoze requires some cryptostuff
[11:27] <hondje> But I'm a magnet for breakage
[11:27] <Loevborg> q: where do I look for nfs error messages? what can it be when it says connection refused (2 ubuntu machines)?
[11:27] <hondje> I'm more annoyed by my neverending /dev/shm gripe than sudo:)
[11:27] <Seveas> Loevborg, nfs daemon not started?
[11:28] <thoreauputic> Loevborg: do you have portmap running ?
[11:28] <nosilver4u> anyone had issues with wireless keyboard/mouse combos?
[11:28] <Ray|v|an-1010> somebody can tell me where can i download MATLAB
[11:29] <Loevborg> thoreauputic, Seveas, yes, both portmap and nfs-kernel-server are running.
[11:29] <thoreauputic> Loevborg: and do you have both nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server installed ?
[11:29] <chol> Loevborg, rpcinfo -p remote_host
[11:29] <hondje> Ray|v|an-1010: MATLAB isn't free
[11:29] <hondje> Try octave
[11:29] <thoreauputic> Loevborg: OK
[11:29] <Ray|v|an-1010> mm
[11:29] <benplaut> reinstalled  :)
[11:29] <Ray|v|an-1010> do u have it?
[11:29] <hondje> Yes
[11:29] <Seveas> Ray|v|an-1010, we do not support copyright infringment in here...
[11:29] <DXT> anyone knows the name of the font here - http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/21140-1.png
[11:29] <Loevborg> chol, gives me: rpcinfo: can't contact portmapper: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused
[11:29] <hondje> I paid out the ass for it
[11:30] <chol> Loevborg, there you go
[11:30] <Seveas> hondje, yeah, it's teriible :S
[11:30] <thoreauputic> Loevborg: warty or hoary?
[11:30] <Ray|v|an-1010> uhh ok
[11:30] <Loevborg> thoreauputic, hoary.
[11:30] <chol> Loevborg, is portmap started on the other machines, are they even reachable etc..
[11:30] <thoreauputic> OK just checking - warty needed /etc/default/portmap edited IIRC
[11:31] <Loevborg> chol, portmap is installed, and ssh/smb is working
[11:31] <darkaudit> will the new nvidia drivers be officially packaged for Hoary?
[11:31] <chol> Loevborg, and running?
[11:32] <Loevborg> chol, daemon   16125  0.0  0.0   1652   452 ?        Ss   23:28   0:00 /sbin/portmap
[11:32] <Robbie1590> sweet it works
[11:32] <chol> Loevborg, it should return something like portmapper and nlockmgr when it works
[11:32] <Robbie1590> i love linux
[11:32] <flodine> i love it to
[11:32] <ilRas> Robbie1590: good for you :(
[11:32] <thoreauputic> Loevborg: sudo /etc/init.d/portmap restart && /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart (perhaps)
[11:32] <chol> Loevborg, oh.. i remember one thing from debian, it only listens to localhost
[11:32] <Robbie1590> this is only live cd though
[11:32] <flodine> anyone on 64bit
[11:32] <ilRas> me
[11:33] <ilRas> flodine: i am
[11:33] <flodine> ilRas does 64 bit hve gdesklets
[11:33] <flodine> or munine
[11:33] <thoreauputic> chol: that seemed to be the case on warty, but I didn't see it on hoary
[11:33] <flodine> nuine
[11:33] <Loevborg> thoreauputic, already did this a few times
[11:33] <thoreauputic> Loevborg: OK
[11:33] <juj1> thank you it did it  "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"  Igot KDE installed
[11:33] <darkaudit> since sid is going to see massive changes since Sarge is now released, will those changes appear in Breezy, or will theyt wait until the release after that?
[11:33] <ilRas> no idea, look at http://packages.ubuntu.com/ :P
[11:33] <flodine> ilRas how is it running
[11:33] <teleyinex> someone knows how to disable the autoformating of dates in openoffice.org
[11:34] <chol> thoreauputic, okej, have only run 5.04 and portmap indeed works out of the box here
[11:34] <flodine> no problems
[11:34] <Loevborg> chol, now I installed portmap & nfs-common on the client machine too, and it gives me: mount: RPC: Program not registered
[11:34] <chol> Loevborg, portmap needs to be started before any other rpc programs
[11:34] <thr1ce> has anyone had bad luck with backports?
[11:34] <ilRas> flodine: well... there is no flash player for firefox... otherwise i haven't had any other problems realted to 64 bits so far
[11:34] <ilRas> but I'm running it since yesterday eheh
[11:35] <thoreauputic> thr1ce: a lot of people have
[11:35] <ilRas> oh yeh, the vpnc client segfaults, had to compile an svn version
[11:35] <darkaudit> ilRas: hmm... i run flash movies in firefox all the time
[11:35] <ilRas> that sucked
[11:35] <nalioth> thr1ce: backports will break your upgradability
[11:35] <ilRas> darkaudit: blame macromedia :(
[11:35] <thr1ce> nalioth, bah; my main concern :(
[11:35] <joe_> flash works nicely in firefox
[11:35] <ilRas> joe_: on 64 bits?
[11:36] <darkaudit> ilRas: ahh... not in 64bit
[11:36] <nalioth> ilRas: you will find there are pkgs in the amd64 arch that are not there for you, where they are for 386,686 arches
[11:36] <joe_> ahm, whoops, no on 32bits
[11:36] <ilRas> eheh
[11:36] <darkaudit> ilRas: oh... that's different... nevermind :)
[11:36] <joe_> anyone of you ever player around with gnome menus
[11:36] <Loevborg> I still get program not registered. I start to loathe nfs.
[11:36] <ilRas> darkaudit:  :)
[11:37] <joe_> from v2.10 there is one tool available, cald semd or so.
[11:37] <Marble2> alright... quick question. I just installed windows. I already have ubuntu installed. I'm using LILO. Windows messed with my boot record, so lilo doesn't come up, it just boots to windows. If I modify my lilo.conf and run lilo again (in knoppix) will I be able to boot to both OSs fine?
[11:37] <Loevborg> arg.
[11:37] <xhaker> can somebody help me?
[11:38] <joe_> i was wondering if it is possible to edit a config file...
[11:38] <xhaker> with oidentd?
[11:38] <Lafitte-> anyone have ricoh card reader ?  i need setup my cardreader and wondering if anyoe has pulled it off
[11:38] <Loevborg> I apologies for my stupdities and thank chol &c. :)
[11:38] <Malsid> Marble2: you'll need to reinstall Lilo.
[11:38] <darkaudit> xhaker: ask... if we can, someone will answer
[11:38] <thr1ce> does hoary use ReiserFS 3.6?
[11:38] <Marble2> Malsid: why reinstall?
[11:38] <Marble2> can't I run lilo to have it control the mbr?
[11:38] <joe_> lilo should be up and running if set up properly again. make sure mbr is written
[11:38] <Malsid> Marble2: Windows has eaten your MBR. You have to get it back.
[11:38] <Marble2> right
[11:38] <Marble2> and running lilo would do that right?
[11:39] <Marble2> but why the reinstall?
[11:39] <xhaker> well.. oidentd is working but it replies my username instead of what i wrote on the config
[11:39] <joe_> i know how to do it with grup
[11:39] <orlandu> Hello! My system doesn't seem to be remembering my screen resolution preference - it boots to 1600x1200@60Hz whatever I set it to in System -> Preferences -> Screen resolution (even when I tick the "make default" box). Can anyone help?
[11:39] <AirWays> Can I somelike configure some user from /home/ ?
[11:39] <chol> Loevborg, it still won't work?
[11:39] <nalioth> Marble2: you should chroot to your exisint ubuntu install from knoppix
[11:39] <Marble2> i'm going to
[11:39] <joe_> first of all,make sure you do a chroot
[11:39] <Marble2> just checking here
[11:39] <xhaker> orlandu, edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and enter the right values for yor monitor
[11:40] <chol> Loevborg, start with rpcinfo -p on the local hosts, when that works, it should be ok for remote usage aswell
[11:40] <nalioth> Marble2: then you seem to have gotten your 2nd opinion
[11:40] <joe_> if you do chroot properly, it should work to rewrite mbr
[11:40] <Marble2> ok cool
[11:40] <AirWays> Can I somelike configure some user from /home/ ?
[11:40] <Marble2> i'll do that right now
[11:40] <xhaker> AirWays, configure?
[11:40] <thoreauputic> AirWays: your question isn't clear
[11:41] <AirWays> I mean'
[11:41] <orlandu> xhaker, I tried that and put the mode I wanted (1152x864@75Hz, 24 bit) as default, but what I got was a screen at 1152x864, but the desktop was at 1600x1200 - moving the mouse to the edge panned around it, but I wanted the desktop to match the resolution
[11:41] <AirWays> Jeah
[11:41] <joe_> there are plenty of config files in each home directory
[11:41] <AirWays> What that user is allowed to do etc
[11:41] <Loevborg> chol, I actually used the wrong IP.
[11:41] <joe_> normally that is done using groups in /etc/groups
[11:41] <thoreauputic> AirWays: you can add or remove that user from groups
[11:41] <magog> #cedega
[11:41] <Loevborg> chol, I'll remember the rpcinfo command tho.
[11:42] <AirWays> There is no directory as: /etc/groups
[11:42] <chol> Loevborg, oh, bummer ;),
[11:42] <chol> Loevborg, rpcinfo is useful, and always restart portmap first
[11:42] <xhaker> orlandu, that is a feature.. lol.. when entering in 1152 try to go to that resolution applet on gnome and set to 1152 too
[11:42] <AirWays> You mean /etc/group ?
[11:42] <joe_> try less /etc/group
[11:42] <ancientorange> chol, i did it just as desribed on the samba page and i still get the error :-(
[11:42] <joe_> yes right
[11:43] <orlandu> xhaker, I'll give that a try, thanks for the advice :)
[11:43] <joe_> there is an user admin gui or something on gnome
[11:43] <Loevborg> chol, there's no GUI for connection nfs shares, no?
[11:43] <joe_> there is a gui loveborg
[11:43] <Loevborg> chol, smb shares are much (10x) slower here on my wlan, for whatever reason.
[11:44] <chol> ancientorange, i haven't seen that error before.. my best guess is too google like hell and hope for the best :)
[11:44] <juju> hi, is there an easy way to install flash player with sinaptic ,
[11:44] <Loevborg> joe_, only for smb (for connecting, I mean)
[11:44] <ancientorange> chol google doesnt return anything (the system i am accessing is a windows sbs 2003 )
[11:44] <xhaker> juju, http://ubuntuguide.org
[11:45] <thoreauputic> Loevborg: once nfs is working, the mount points are just like any mount point on the system, so a gui is kind of irrelevant
[11:45] <xhaker> make sure you add the needed repositories
[11:45] <chol> Loevborg, same here.. nfs is udp and there's not csma/cd in the wlan afaik so i guess that could have something to do with it
[11:45] <Loevborg> thoreauputic, yes I know
[11:45] <ancientorange> anybody ever seen this error ? 11758: protocol negotiation failed
[11:46] <joe_> wlan normaly does not slow down smb connections
[11:46] <ancientorange> cli_negprot: SMB signing is mandatory and we have disabled it.
[11:46] <ancientorange> 12022: protocol negotiation failed
[11:46] <ancientorange> SMB connection failed
[11:46] <Loevborg> chol, I actually think it's a bug in the samba server (or the client)
[11:46] <AirWays> How I can configure to nobody /home user cannot connect to SSH ?
[11:46] <IIIEars> (shrug)
[11:46] <chol> ancientorange, i think thats 2003 doing it.. turn of mandatory channel encryption in computer policies perhaps
[11:46] <cssia> can ubuntu be configured to boot to the command line?
[11:47] <chol> cssia, yes
[11:47] <cssia> chol, how?
[11:47] <joe_> bonne nuit
[11:47] <AirWays> Hmm, How I can set to some users in /home is not allowed to connect with SSH to that computer?
[11:47] <xhaker> buonanotte
[11:48] <thoreauputic> cssia: yes, just edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager and change it to "false"
[11:48] <xhaker> brb
[11:48] <joe_> AirWay, what do you mean with some users in /home
[11:48] <cssia> AirWays, modify /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[11:48] <AirWays> Okay
[11:48] <chol> cssia, update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[11:48] <pfp> AirWays: joinaa #ubuntu-fi , en jaksa selitt englanniksi ;)
[11:48] <Loevborg> chol, you're using ndiswrapper too? (that might be the problem)
[11:48] <AirWays> Ahaa ok
[11:48] <chol> Loevborg, no.. regular drivers
[11:49] <thoreauputic> chol: not really necessary... but yeah
[11:49] <IIIEars> !display
[11:49] <ubotu> methinks display is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto or ask !Resolution
[11:49] <IIIEars> !ubotu japanese is http://jp.ubuntuguide.org/  Thank You Chua Wen Kiat.
[11:49] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[11:49] <cssia> chol, does thoreauputic's way work too?  its easier
[11:49] <chol> thoreauputic, false in default-displ.. is better yeah
[11:49] <IIIEars> !ubotu jp is http://jp.ubuntuguide.org/  Thank You Chua Wen Kiat.
[11:49] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[11:49] <cssia> chol, thanks
[11:50] <chol> ancientorange, have you set 'client signing = yes' in smb.conf_
[11:50] <ancientorange> chol, nope :-(
[11:50] <chol> ancientorange, it was the first suggestion that came up on google ;p
[11:51] <chol> ancientorange, http://www.google.se/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&c2coff=1&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=cli_negprot%3A+SMB+signing+is+mandatory+and+we+have+disabled+it.&btnG=Search
[11:51] <scizho> anyone uses ubuntu for thin client?
[11:52] <batma8> hey guys
[11:52] <ancientorange> chol, where is smbconf supposed to be ?
[11:53] <joe_> anyone knows where the menu conifg file for gnome 2.10 lies
[11:53] <batma8> my dvd playback works well with xine..however it is choppy
[11:53] <ancientorange> chol, whereis smbconf doesnt return anything
[11:53] <dabugas> hi
[11:53] <batma8> anyone have any ideas?
[11:53] <joe_> ancient /etc/samba
[11:53] <dabugas> i was fiddling with the keyboard layouts in the kde control center and for some reason the (') has turned into accent and the (") into umlauts. any way I can reset xkb? (just "default"ing everything in the control panel didn't work.)
[11:53] <hondje> joe_: install smeg
[11:53] <THe_AntiPop> how do you open .sh files?
[11:53] <orlandu> I have set my screen resolution to 1152x864 in xorg.conf, and used the screen resolution tool (hoary gnome desktop) to set the desktop size to 1152x864, and told it to make it the default. But when I reboot, the desktop size goes back to 1600x1200, so I have to pan around and reset it every time I boot - can anyone tell me how to make my preference permanent?
[11:53] <thoreauputic> THe_AntiPop: you don't - you run them
[11:53] <nalioth> THe_AntiPop: you dont
[11:53] <THe_AntiPop> ok
[11:53] <dabugas> THe_AntiPop: they are shell scripts. Open them with your favorite file editor.
[11:53] <hondje> THe_AntiPop: You don't, you use chmod to make them executable, then run them by entering sh <name>
[11:53] <joe_> i'm having problems with the python gtk versioning, thats why i don't install smeg
[11:53] <nalioth> THe_AntiPop: you execute them in a terminal
[11:53] <thoreauputic> THe_AntiPop: unless you want to edit the script
[11:54] <chol> ancientorange, its a config file
[11:54] <THe_AntiPop> but every time i un in the terminal it pops up then goes away
[11:54] <chol> ancientorange, perhaps look in /etc/samba
[11:54] <nalioth> hondje: chmod isnt necessary if you preface your file.sh with sh
[11:54] <hondje> nalioth: hrm, I should remember that :)
[11:54] <hondje> thanks
[11:54] <THe_AntiPop> huh?
[11:55] <ante_> Does Ubuntu base system contain x11?
[11:55] <joe_> ./please run
[11:55] <thoreauputic> THe_AntiPop: what are you trying to run?
[11:55] <THe_AntiPop> an installer
[11:55] <joe_> or bash pleaserun.sh
[11:55] <THe_AntiPop> for corssoveroffice
[11:55] <mjr> ante_, the default install contains; I don't think the base does
[11:55] <dabugas> THe_AntiPop: a .sh file just executes a bunch of shell commands. (maybe simple, maybe complex. depends) what are you trying to do?
[11:55] <ante_> mjr ok thx
[11:55] <joe_> just in case it is not executable
[11:55] <IIIEars> ubotu Portugus is http://pt.ubuntuguide.org/   Obrigado Autor: Chua Wen Kiat Co-Autor: Marco Da Silva Helper PT: Tiago Geada
[11:55] <ubotu> i'm not going to learn illegal characters, IIIEars
[11:56] <THe_AntiPop> jsut install something
[11:56] <THe_AntiPop> its an install file
[11:56] <joe_> so do ./install.sh
[11:56] <dabugas> are you using a graphical file manager or a terminal to run it?
[11:56] <joe_> or bash ./install.sh
[11:56] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: heh - doesn't like your punctuation I guess
[11:56] <orlandu> xhaker, I tried your suggestion - the screen resolution set to what I wanted when I booted, but the desktop was still oversized, and I had to pan and use the screen resolution tool again. It doesn't seem to be remembering my choice! Any ideas?
[11:56] <joe_> or chmod a+x install.sh
[11:56] <joe_> ./install.sh
[11:56] <IIIEars> ubotu Portugues is http://pt.ubuntuguide.org/   Obrigado Autor: Chua Wen Kiat Co-Autor: Marco Da Silva Helper PT: Tiago Geada
[11:56] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay
[11:57] <IIIEars> ubotu Portuguese is http://pt.ubuntuguide.org/   Obrigado Autor: Chua Wen Kiat Co-Autor: Marco Da Silva Helper PT: Tiago Geada
[11:57] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[11:57] <dabugas> can somebody kick him?
[11:57] <THe_AntiPop> i think terminal
[11:57] <IIIEars> ubotu pt is http://pt.ubuntuguide.org/   Obrigado Autor: Chua Wen Kiat Co-Autor: Marco Da Silva Helper PT: Tiago Geada
[11:57] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay
[11:57] <joe_> yup
[11:58] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: teach the bot in PM, please
[11:58] <IIIEars> Tried that - no luck
[11:58] <batma8> how do you edit your applications menu?
[11:58] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: well, please don't spam the channel
[11:58] <dabugas> batma8: which app?
[11:58] <joe_> try smeg if it works with you
[11:58] <joe_> it didn't for me
[11:58] <dabugas> IIIEars: apologizies. i thought you were a nasty floody bot.
[11:59] <batma8> dabugas: the gnome start menu thingy, i want to remove some programs from it
[11:59] <xhaker> orlandu.. that is a feature that is usually off.. you maybe enabled it when you run xorgconfig right?
[11:59] <thoreauputic> dabugas: the bot is ubotu :)