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RiddellSquishyWaffle: would it be useful for me to send a big box then?12:03
RiddellSquishyWaffle: where is SC?12:03
SquishyWaffleI'm sure the guys would appreciate it if you can spare them. South Carolina, USA12:03
SquishyWaffleAnd the LUG is Clemson Linux User Group12:04
RiddellSquishyWaffle: oh actually I might need a phone number too, the parcel company seems to need that12:04
SquishyWaffleno problem, want that in email or PM?12:04
Riddelle-mail 12:06
SquishyWaffleWe're distributing our campus laptops next year with Ubuntu pre-installed, will make for a lot of easy Kubuntu infections :)12:10
uniqgreat :)12:22
uniqgnite all, more "school" tomorrow..  psychology is so boring.12:23
SquishyWaffleuntil you get to abnormal psych :)12:24
uniqwe're at social.. 12:24
SquishyWaffleugh12:24
SquishyWafflejust be glad it's not math12:24
uniqit's a 'risk taking and decisionmaking class' but it's basically just psychology.12:25
SquishyWaffleohh, ok12:25
uniqwell gnite.12:25
uniqbtw. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuPackagingGuide 12:26
uniqcould help you some.. ref. -motu.12:26
SquishyWaffleyeah, I updated it a bit earlier today with some corrections/additions12:28
uniqok then :)12:33
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JReall: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/kubuntu/ktvschedule/ <- new package of a usefull app02:48
RiddellJRe: cool, is that on the MOTUNewPackages page?03:07
Riddelldoko: what do I do with a version number if it's currently -XbuildX and I add a gcc fixes patch03:08
Riddelldoes it go to -Xubuntu1 ?03:08
JReRiddell: no i put it there03:08
RiddellJRe: you need to link to it from MOTUNewPackages so we can review it03:08
JReRiddell: i have also discovered (and packaged) a cool app but no new version since one year: http://kickpim.sourceforge.net <- kicker applet displaying infromations from KDEPIM03:10
JReRiddell: what do you think about that?03:10
RiddellJRe: is it maintained?03:13
JReno version since a year i write a mail to the upstream! but it's a very good idea i think!03:17
RiddellJRe: yeah looks cool, it's just a worry that it might break at any moment03:17
Riddellbut if it works for now that's all good03:17
dokoRiddell: yes03:18
JResaying that i packaging that without one patch would be a lie, but i tested it and it works well03:18
JRei want to know what the upstream say i send him a mail right now03:19
Riddellif any MOTUs are wanting jobs there's any number of universe KDE uploads that need GCC 4 fixes03:29
elmoRiddell: you might want to qualify 'jobs' :-P03:30
JRei am not a motu but i could help for that!03:32
RiddellJRe: are you a member yet?  community council meeting tonight03:32
JReRiddell: no, still at midnight03:32
JRe:(03:32
RiddellJRe: you don't like to stay up late?03:33
JReRiddell: i have no internet connection at home because i am in italy for 2 month03:34
Riddellah yes03:34
RiddellJRe: basket is next on the list to be fixed03:34
JReRiddell: okay i try to fix it :)03:35
RiddellJRe: work out what the issue is, fix it, make it a nice patch in debian/patches called kubuntu_01_gcc4_fixes.diff or something03:35
Riddellget me to check and upload, report on malone, send to upstream03:36
Riddellcould also try checking upstream incase they've already fixed it03:36
JReRiddell: sure!  okay03:36
JReRiddell: KickPIM author has stop development :( so better not package it at the moment03:39
RiddellJRe: offer to take it over :)03:41
JReRiddell: :)03:41
JReRiddell: basket seems to compile with gcc4, no?04:05
RiddellJRe: dunno, what does the build log say?04:09
Riddellah, it's a 64 bit issue by the looks of them04:09
Riddellhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/b/basket/0.5.0-1build1/04:09
RiddellJRe: do you have access to a 64 bit machine?04:10
JReRiddell: nop unfortunately04:11
RiddellJRe: brahms is next on the list if you're up for looking at another04:13
JReokay ;)04:13
JReRiddell: thanks04:13
Riddellthank you04:14
JReRiddell: if i want to find one, i just have to take one which has failed on the build log list, right?04:14
RiddellJRe: yes but check with me first since I might be working on it04:14
JReRiddell: okay!04:15
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JReRiddell: basket upstream has no patch for 64 + gcc4 compile issue04:41
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Riddellusually they're not difficult to fix but kinday need a 64 bit machine to test it04:50
SquishyWaffleWow, the Ubuntu wiki is incredibly slow :)05:02
RiddellSquishyWaffle: it also does bad things to kio_http in KDE 3.4.005:03
SquishyWaffleEh? On the client machines?05:03
Riddellyes05:03
Riddellmakes it use 99% CPU05:03
SquishyWaffleIs this with all browsers or just Konqueror?05:04
Riddelljust konqueror05:04
Riddellfixed in 3.4.105:04
SquishyWaffleah, I'm running 3.4.1 and Firefox05:04
Riddellthen it's just plan slow05:04
SquishyWaffleThat's bogus, what was causing it?05:04
Riddellplain slow05:04
Riddellnot sure what was causing it05:05
Riddellbut it wasn't bogus, it was quite genuine05:05
SquishyWafflebogus being weird in this case :005:05
RiddellSquishyWaffle: fancy joining the gcc4 universe recompilation fun?05:06
SquishyWaffleRiddell: I've thought about it, we have one of my projects compiling on GCC4. If I can do it without blowing my stable Kubuntu up I will :005:07
RiddellSquishyWaffle: you'd need a breezy chroot see DebootstrapChroot05:08
SquishyWaffleahhh, didn't realize you guys were chrooting to do that05:08
JRemost of them are running breezy, no?05:09
RiddellI don't yet05:10
SquishyWaffleRiddell: Do you guys have a running list of what needs to be recompiled?05:12
RiddellSquishyWaffle: well it's all been recompiled, now we need to fix the ones that have broken05:13
SquishyWaffleRiddell: Ah, the "fun" part05:13
Riddellaye05:14
SquishyWafflewow, AmaroK is really well done. I didn't realize they had came so far.05:23
Riddelldoes it have advanced features like "being usable" yet?05:23
SquishyWaffleIt really does :)05:24
SquishyWaffleSomewhat of a combination of Windows Media Player and JuK with some spiffy integration with MusicBrain05:24
SquishyWaffleDoesn't look to be very easy on low-end machines because of all the effects it uses unless you run it in minimal mode but it's running very well on my 2.8 ghz /w 750 Meg RAM05:25
SquishyWaffleWhat version of libgcc1 are you guys running?05:45
SquishyWaffleoutside of your chroot environment?05:45
RiddellVersion: 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu705:47
Riddellsays here05:47
SquishyWafflehow in the heck did I end up with 7ubuntu6~5.04ubp1?05:48
SquishyWaffleis that with the KDE 3.4.1 release?05:48
RiddellSource: gcc-4.0 (4.0ds6-0pre6ubuntu7)05:49
Riddellwon't have anything to do with KDE05:49
SquishyWaffleI'm running gcc 3.3.5 though05:50
Riddellme too.  I'm sure there's a parfectly rational explanation for it05:51
SquishyWaffleI copy and pasted that sources list from Ubuntuguide.rg and added the kde 3.4.1 release to it, I wonder if something in there caused that05:51
Riddellubp is ubuntu backports05:52
SquishyWaffledoh, I didn't even look at that05:53
SquishyWaffleso I guess it's a bad idea to run backports on your machine you use to package stuff unless you chroot?05:53
Riddellbad idea to run backports :)05:56
SquishyWaffleshoot, I've been having fun with them :005:57
uniqhi.06:07
Riddellhello uniq, fancy doing some gcc 4 fixes?06:50
uniqsure. you got a list? 06:54
uniqkubuntugcc4fixes.xxx :] 06:55
Riddelluniq: next on the list is something called celestia06:57
uniqok.06:57
Riddell14:35 < Riddell> JRe: work out what the issue is, fix it, make it a nice patch in debian/patches called06:57
Riddell                 kubuntu_01_gcc4_fixes.diff or something06:58
Riddell14:36 < Riddell> get me to check and upload, report on malone, send to upstream06:58
Riddell14:36 < Riddell> could also try checking upstream incase they've already fixed it06:58
uniqok :)06:58
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uniqriddell: x is too broken i breezy.. can't get anything using Xlib.h to compile.08:10
uniqhave to wait till the headers of glx.h are changed.08:12
uniqmake that glx.h and friends. 08:12
uniqor.. wait.08:14
uniqlooks like changing mirrors did it.08:21
RiddellX errors are nasty08:22
alleegot a new box ;)  Installed hoary and sarge (sid, suse on TODO).  How's breezy?  Better wait?  I want to test LaptopKeycodes there too.08:26
uniqdebian got celestia 1.3.2 we have 1.3.008:26
uniqmaybe I should try to compile the debian package and merge the  changelogs? 08:27
uniqinstead of fixing 1.3.0.. 08:27
uniqallee: I think breezy is a bit unstable still. I don't use it.08:27
alleeuniq: if not again a policy it makes lots of sense08:27
alleeuniq: ok.  thx.   I'll wait a bit longer08:29
uniqriddell: ping? merge with debian? go/no-go? if it compiles cleanly maybe we should wait for the sync? 08:29
uniquniverse will become a huge unmanagable monster if we keep making our own versions of everything. Not that i have too many packages to handle but generaly it's a good idea to cooperate with debian i guess.08:30
alleeI would at least give 1.3.2 a try.08:30
alleeuniq: gcc 4 transition in debian will start soon I assume. Until then .... argl...08:31
Riddelluniq: using debian version sounds good08:32
uniqx11proto-gl-dev needs to be updated though.. 08:33
Riddelluniq: updated to what?08:33
uniqthe headers of it's include files doesn't match the current x11 placing of includes.08:33
Riddellthat's not good08:33
uniq/usr/include/GL/glx.h:39:22: error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory08:33
uniq/usr/include/GL/glx.h:40:23: error: X11/Xutil.h: No such file or directory08:33
Riddelldo you have /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xlib.h installed?08:34
uniqlibx11-dev: /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xlib.h08:35
uniqyes.08:35
uniqit has moved.08:35
uniqas far as i can see.08:35
Riddellmoved from where?08:36
uniq /usr/include/X11/ i guess? 08:36
Riddellah the /usr/include/X11 -> ../X11R6/include/X11 synlink has gone08:36
uniqx11proto-gl-dev thinks they should be there don't it? 08:36
uniqdoesn't08:36
Riddellsounds like gcc isn't getting the right include pat08:37
Riddellsounds like gcc isn't getting the right include path08:37
uniqI added -I/usr/X11R6/include but it didn't help.08:37
Riddellstrange08:38
uniqI can try with some configure option if it exists.08:38
Riddell--with-inclues=/usr/X11R6/include  or something08:38
uniq--with-extra-includes sounds like what i want.08:40
uniqno dice.08:46
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hungerHi there!08:53
Riddellanother one to join the gcc 4 fixes marathon08:53
hungerI see the gcc transition is making progress.08:53
hungerOnly k3b and ooo-kde are stopping me from reinstalling kubuntu-desktop:-)08:54
Riddellpoke amu for k3b08:54
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Riddellbe polite though :)08:55
\shRiddell: please patch this "cdrdao" dialog 08:55
hungeramu: Riddell told me to do that;-)08:55
Riddell\sh: which?08:55
\shRiddell: if cdrdao is not installed, k3b is complaining...but k3b doesn't need any cdrdao, cdrtools is enough for bin/cue handling08:56
Riddelllike I say, poke amu :)08:58
\shRiddell: I will remove it by myself ,-)08:59
Riddellso hunger, going to join us in gcc 4 fixes?09:03
hungerRiddell: I am willing to test whatever you throw at me, but I do not have the time to fix stuff right now.09:04
Riddellah well09:04
SquishyWaffleAm I just blowing smoke here?: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=203332#post20333209:25
SquishyWaffleI don't want to come across as whining but the Wiki as it stands is kinda kludgey :(09:26
RiddellSquishyWaffle: it's being changed09:26
SquishyWaffleWhat's going on with it?09:26
Riddellit used to be moinmoin, but to get it more integrated with the website it was changed to plone's wiki, but as you say it's not very good so it's being changed back09:27
SquishyWaffleI thought what we're on right now is MoinMoin09:29
SquishyWaffleI'd go to town on KDE documentation because it's my forte but it's like pulling teeth to write things right now :(09:30
Riddellthe documentation team work in SVN09:32
Riddelltry asking on #ubuntu-docs how you can help09:32
SquishyWaffleok09:33
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SquishyWaffledo we have any guys from the Kubuntu group working on the docs team?09:51
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RiddellSquishyWaffle: froud10:10
Riddellhunger: that's almost all of them10:11
SquishyWafflefroud?10:11
hungerRiddell: Yeap.... sometimes I wish I was a closed-source fan... then I'd not have to see the mess.10:11
Riddelldoesn't make it go away10:12
SquishyWaffleRiddell: what's a froud? :)10:13
hungerI do not envy the poor guy that is going to package koffice with gcc 4:-(10:15
SquishyWafflewith gcj?10:16
Riddellhunger: why?10:18
hungeractually kexi at least does build fine after adding some forward declarations.10:18
RiddellSquishyWaffle: koffice doesn't use java, it's not silly10:18
SquishyWaffleohhh, koffice, sorry, openoffice != koffice :010:18
SquishyWaffleknee-jerk reaction10:18
hungerRiddell: Because it took a while for me to figure out the missing forward declaration(s).10:19
hungerRiddell: Once that is done it actually builds nicely.10:19
hungerDamn... it does not work afterwards:-(10:24
hungerI get lots of this:10:29
hungerdangling: /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/da/amarok/common -> ../common10:29
hungerwhen running symlinks. What is wrong there?10:29
alleehunger: kde-i18n-da not installed???10:30
hungerallee: It should be... I definitly did not create that link manually.10:31
alleehunger: interesting this link is dangleing in sarge + 3.4 too10:32
hungerallee: It is there is no ... /da/amarok/common in the amarok deb (which has the ../da/)10:33
alleehunger: the ../common link is dangling here on sarge for all langs that have no correspondig kde-i18n-<lang> isntalled10:33
uniqriddell: the celestia debian package builds when i make symlinks of  /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h and Xutil.h in /usr/X11R6/include/X11/ . FYI.10:33
Riddelluniq: hmm, kinday cheating 10:34
uniqfixing 1.3.0 (which is in ubuntu) is a 4 line patch.10:34
uniqI know, it's just to check nothing else is wrong.10:34
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Riddelluniq: what's the patch?10:35
Riddelluniq: is the patch adding those links?10:35
uniqriddell: add 'typename' two places in one file. don't have a patch ready though.10:35
uniqno, I don't want to mess with X stuff with a package.10:36
uniqa non-x package that is.10:36
Riddelluniq: so which package is giving you the problems with X includes?10:36
uniqx11proto-gl-dev10:37
uniqor libx11-dev depending on which is the proper directory for includes.10:38
Riddellyou're trying to compile x11proto-gl-dev?10:39
uniqlibx11-dev uses /usr/X11R6/include/X1110:39
uniqand x11proto-gl-dev uses /usr/include/X1110:39
uniqno, i'm not.10:39
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Riddellhunger: we do have packages of kofficce 1.4 beta10:40
Riddelluniq: celestia 1.3.0 needs a 4 line patch, does it also need symlinks?10:40
hungerRiddell: Where?10:41
uniqriddell: yes, patch and symlinks.10:41
Riddellhunger: http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/koffice-1.4-beta1/kubuntu/10:41
Riddelluniq: right10:41
Riddelluniq: what about the 1.3.2 from debian?10:42
uniqriddell: only symlinks.10:42
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Riddellevening motaboy 10:42
alleehunger: check again:  amarok has the ../common symlib in the deb.   And the link target is in corresponding  kde-i18n-<lang>10:42
Riddelluniq: maybe we should upload 1.3.2 then and see what the build daemons make of it10:43
alleehi motaboy 10:43
motaboyHi All!10:43
motaboyHi Riddell!10:43
hungerRiddell: Those do no longer work.10:43
motaboyhi allee 10:43
Riddellhunger: why not?10:43
hungerallee: Yes, you are right, there is a common...10:43
hungerRiddell: "depends on kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.4.0)" and "depends on libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3)"10:44
alleeanyone happen to know where the translation in xkb/symbol/* of:  key (like <i65>) to keycode (in output of xev) is defined?  I can't find it anymore :(10:45
Riddellhunger: that makes sense10:45
hungerRiddell: Both are not going to get installed.10:45
Riddellhunger: you should be able to just recompile though10:45
Riddellbut koffice comes with an old version of kexi10:45
uniqthe symlink problem explained: celestia includes glx.h (x11proto-gl-dev) which tries to incude Xlib.h and Xutil.h (libx11-dev) which isn't found where they are expected to be. because libx11-dev has moved some files around or something. phew.10:45
hungerRiddell: There is koffice rc1 now... that should have a fairly new kexi.10:46
Riddellhunger: no, koffice 1.4 is releasing with kexi 0.8, there is already a kexi 0.910:46
Riddellhopefully motaboy can confirm that10:46
uniqriddell: we could do that.. looks like celestia 1.3.0 isn't changed for ubuntu in the first place, so no changelog merging needed.10:47
hungerRiddell: Damn. I think I'll need the new one than... my deb-addiction, you know.10:47
Riddelluniq: I put your ppc .debs on the hoary-kde341 archives, sorry for the delay10:54
Riddellmight be a good idea to test them 10:54
hungerhoary-kde341 archives?10:54
uniqI use most of the ppc debs.10:54
hungerAh, found it...10:55
uniqriddell: it's nice of you to mirror my very informative homepage too :)10:55
hungerAre those debs "official"?10:56
Riddellhunger: official kubuntu10:57
hungerWhy are they not listed in a more prominent place?10:58
hungerMy boss bitched to me about no kde 3.4.1 in hoary the whole day long... and he stays up to date most with the usual repositories for hoary.10:59
Riddellhunger: hoary is frozen, it doesn't get new packages11:00
hungerRiddell: That's bugfixes;-)11:00
Riddellit was announced on the mailing lists, website and KDE dot news11:00
hungerRiddell: I'll kill him tomorrow!11:01
hungerRiddell: He was on that f****** page all day long, looking for kde 3.4.1 debs!11:02
uniqhehe :)11:02
uniqriddell: ref. discussion in -meeting a few. min. ago, if you need someone for #kubuntu i'm up for it.11:38
Riddelluniq: I don't have powers to grant op on #kubuntu11:40
Riddellbut #ubuntu is still just approving ops at CC meetings?11:41
uniqthink so.11:41
Riddelluniq: if you put "Add uniq to #kubuntu opers" on the CC agenda we'll try and get you on11:43
uniqhehe ok :)11:43
Riddellanyone else want ops on #kubuntu?11:43
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SquishyWafflearoo?11:45
Riddellwhit?11:46
SquishyWafflethey're looking for opers? is the channel rowdy enough for them to be needed?11:46
RiddellSquishyWaffle: we've only had to use ops twice, but it's just incase there's some abuse when I'm not here11:47
SquishyWaffleI can help if need be, I'm used to the whole administering large groups of often rowdy people :/11:47
RiddellSquishyWaffle: you're not a member yet though, need that first11:48
SquishyWaffleoh yeah, I don't know how long that'll take to reach11:48
SquishyWaffleWorking on it though :)11:48
uniqthere are a few good points at http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat11:48
Riddellfix some packages in the next 10 minutes and we can get you on :)11:48
SquishyWaffleshoot, I'm not _that_ good, I'm a newbie packager and my C/C++ skills aren't wonderful :)11:49
SquishyWaffleI can stumble my way through packaging things that compile fine but fixing things aside from trivial errors...eek :)11:49
SquishyWaffleDepending on how things go with fixing my project's mail transfer agent I may be able to get a new .deb or two in tonight but I wouldn't know where to begin fixing some of the problems you guys have been going over tonight.11:50
RiddellSquishyWaffle: don't worry, plenty more community council meetings in the future :)11:51
SquishyWaffleyeah, I'm in no rush11:51
SquishyWaffleI don't suppose non-members can sit in the room un-voiced?11:51
uniqit's not restricted or anything11:52
RiddellSquishyWaffle: /join #ubuntu-meeting  all welcome11:52
Riddellhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CommunityCouncilAgenda11:52
SquishyWafflevery good11:53

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