[12:02] <Chislon> can soemoen here help me with my kde wallet?
[12:05] <_Church_of_FoamY> damn i got it
[12:05] <_Church_of_FoamY> took a little bit but i got it ^_^
[12:06] <Chislon> got what
[12:06] <nmorse> got Ubuntu on a Mac?
[12:07] <mats> no problem.. i have ubuntu on a mac ;D
[12:07] <_Church_of_FoamY> no not yet
[12:07] <_Church_of_FoamY> still working on it 
[12:07] <nmorse> My iMac G3 won't boot Ubuntu
[12:08] <nmorse> It goes through the whole install, and then when it reboots it hangs on Loading Kernel
[12:09] <_Church_of_FoamY> brb
[12:15] <nmorse> be back in about 1 1/2 hours
[12:16] <_luke> kubuntu died
[12:16] <_luke> it killed itself
[12:16] <_Church_of_FoamY> it jumped off the edge lol
[12:16] <_luke> it sure did
[12:17] <_luke> so I'm using yoper now
[12:17] <_Church_of_FoamY> damn
[12:17] <_luke> kubuntu was awesome. but I don't like suicidalness
[12:17] <KaiL> killed? how?
[12:18] <_luke> it did an fscheck and died
[12:18] <KaiL> reiserfs? ;)
[12:18] <_luke> wiped some inodes
[12:18] <_luke> ext3
[12:18] <KaiL> then you should worry about your HD
[12:19] <_luke> well the whole thing was working fine before it did fsck. was working perfectly
[12:20] <_luke> so I'm seeing what my home can put out :)
[12:20] <_luke> brb
[12:21] <_luke> aahh sweet xchat
[12:22] <_Church_of_FoamY> how to record with stream tuner?
[12:24] <_Church_of_FoamY> anyone?
[12:25] <Chislon> i have no idea
[12:25] <othernoob> hey church, have you ever found out how to enable file sending in kopete or gaim or whatever?
[12:25] <_Church_of_FoamY> still working on it
[12:25] <_Church_of_FoamY> i think it has something to do with my router
[12:25] <othernoob> why?
[12:25] <_Church_of_FoamY> it's a cheap retarded router
[12:26] <_Church_of_FoamY> it's the only thing i can think of also
[12:26] <_Church_of_FoamY> i can't think why i woulden't be able to send or receve files otherwize
[12:27] <othernoob> well, neither can i, and i dont have a router
[12:27] <_Church_of_FoamY> weard
[12:27] <_Church_of_FoamY> i wonder what would cause it?
[12:27] <_luke> it shouldn't have anything to do with the router, unless the router has a firewall
[12:28] <othernoob> i have no idea, i was hoping you'd found out
[12:28] <_luke> but it's still unlikely
[12:28] <_Church_of_FoamY> accept
[12:28] <_Church_of_FoamY> than any ideas why we cant send/recv files than?
[12:28] <_Church_of_FoamY> all it has is nat
[12:29] <_luke> I acctually have no idea :p probibly just a bug in gaim
[12:29] <othernoob> i havent tried irc yet, i'm mainly interested in kopete with an icq account
[12:29] <thoreauputic> _Church_of_FoamY: to record with streamtuner, you need to have "streamripper" installed - then just click the record button
[12:29] <Chislon> i need some help with kde wallets
[12:29] <othernoob> _luke i tried licq, gaim, kopete, none worked
[12:30] <_Church_of_FoamY> thoreaputic: i have streamtuner but where does it record too?
[12:30] <_luke> could you send and recieve messages ok?
[12:30] <othernoob> _luke, yea, chatting works just fine
[12:30] <_Church_of_FoamY> same here
[12:30] <_Church_of_FoamY> we just can't send or receve files
[12:30] <cabajgtr> I don't suppose you know whether it works in winbloze?
[12:31] <thoreauputic> _Church_of_FoamY: as I said, you need "streamripper" as well - and it rcords to a directory it makes in your home directory
[12:31] <othernoob> cabajgtr it worked fine when i still used windows
[12:31] <cabajgtr> I have never gotten in to work on my Mac is MS messenger
[12:31] <thoreauputic> with the name of the stream/station for the dir it makes
[12:31] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh nice
[12:31] <thoreauputic> it also splits the tracks for you
[12:32] <_Church_of_FoamY> sweet
[12:32] <_Church_of_FoamY> othernoob i wonder if we should do a bug report
[12:33] <othernoob> mmh
[12:33] <cabajgtr> have both of you tried it with other people/clients
[12:33] <cabajgtr> ?
[12:33] <_Church_of_FoamY> yes
[12:33] <_Church_of_FoamY> i have
[12:34] <_Church_of_FoamY> it dosen't matter i can't send to no one nor can i receve
[12:34] <_Church_of_FoamY> it's weard
[12:34] <othernoob> cabajgtr, like i said, i tried licq, gaim, kopete, all with my icq account..
[12:34] <othernoob> the guy who tried to send me a file knows that it's not his side
[12:34] <_luke> it might be an icq thing then
[12:34] <_Church_of_FoamY> i have a cheapo router with nat only....no firewall
[12:35] <cabajgtr> try a different network?
[12:35] <cabajgtr> If youre gonna submit a bug report, you have to get specific for them
[12:35] <othernoob> _luke why would it be a icq thing ?
[12:35] <_Church_of_FoamY> when i first installed ubuntu a month ago it worked just fine
[12:35] <_Church_of_FoamY> no problems whatso ever
[12:36] <_luke> because I've never had a problem with gaim but I use it for msn
[12:36] <_Church_of_FoamY> than the updates came and i think they may have broken it or something
[12:36] <cabajgtr> it's definitely possible
[12:36] <cabajgtr> you could try downgrading
[12:36] <othernoob> which updates ?
[12:37] <_Church_of_FoamY> i don't know but theres been a few sence i installed
[12:37] <_Church_of_FoamY> i wonder if one of them diden't break DCC or some other component
[12:37] <cabajgtr> you could try removing gaim, and installing it from the debian tree...
[12:37] <_Church_of_FoamY> hmmm that may work
[12:38] <_Church_of_FoamY> but it seems to have killed the p2p transfers acrost the board
[12:38] <cabajgtr> if its a bug, it couldn't make it into debian stable
[12:38] <_Church_of_FoamY> it dsen't seem to matter what you use
[12:38] <_Church_of_FoamY> i mean it's really wack
[12:39] <_Church_of_FoamY> kopete,gaim, all of them it goofed
[12:39] <_Church_of_FoamY> even DCC
[12:39] <_luke> well all those programs wouldn't have the same bug..
[12:39] <cabajgtr> yeah its hard to say, and getting out of the ubuntu tree, could mess other things up if you start changing libraries and stuff
[12:39] <_luke> do you have any other operating systems on your computer or network?
[12:39] <othernoob> heh.. a small win partition, which is never ever ever going online..
[12:40] <_Church_of_FoamY> well yea i have 12 computers
[12:40] <_Church_of_FoamY> all i'd have to do is fire one up
[12:40] <_Church_of_FoamY> and put xp on it again
[12:40] <_luke> then try gaim on your other computers
[12:40] <_Church_of_FoamY> i switched them all to ubuntu
[12:40] <_luke> lol mad
[12:41] <_Church_of_FoamY> i said screw m$ i'm gonna be free ^_^
[12:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> than i took my pirated xp cd and put it in the microwave for 10 sec
[12:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> and fried it ^_^
[12:42] <_luke> lol good on ya
[12:44] <_Church_of_FoamY> thanx to the many creators and workers of this great distro all of my computers are legit ^_^
[12:44] <Curalton> hah :)
[12:44] <_luke> so long as you don't get power vuts
[12:44] <_luke> cuts**
[12:45] <_Church_of_FoamY> lol
[12:45] <_Church_of_FoamY> no way i get free electric
[12:45] <_luke> I reacon thats whats could've killed my kubuntu
[12:46] <_luke> something like that
[12:46] <_Church_of_FoamY> damn
[12:46] <_luke> anyway, fsck finished it off:p
[12:46] <_Church_of_FoamY> ouch
[12:47] <_luke> yup
[12:52] <_Church_of_FoamY> damnit
[12:52] <_Church_of_FoamY> this HAS to be a bug
[01:02] <_Church_of_FoamY> lol dream well
[01:02] <dtorg29> Has anyone ha problems installing cursor themes on kubuntu? I need help thanks
[01:04] <_Church_of_FoamY> i haven't even tryed yet sorry :(
[01:06] <Chislon> i opened up Run Command... and typed in sudo apt-get install tuxracer   , then nothing happened, did it do anything or what is Run Command... for?
[01:06] <kalenedrael> Chislon, likely it wanted to prompt you for a password but couldn't because you didn't open a terminal
[01:06] <kalenedrael> try typing it in terminal :P
[01:07] <othernoob> Chislon, you need to  click on options and mark Run in Terminal if you wanna do it that way
[01:08] <Chislon> kalenedrael, othernoob ok thank you
[01:08] <Chislon> what other games are there?
[01:08] <kalenedrael> there is the kdegames package
[01:08] <othernoob> Chislon: open kynaptic and you'll find a list of games..somewhere..
[01:08] <Chislon> kalenedrael, othernoob oh ok thank you
[01:09] <othernoob> yw
[01:09] <kalenedrael> np
[01:09] <othernoob> we're a good team kalenedrael, wanna make out :p
[01:09] <kalenedrael> :p
[01:11] <Chislon> i tired to run kynaptic and it said this
[01:11] <Chislon> there was an error setting up inter-process communications for KDE.  The message returned by the system was:
[01:11] <Chislon> Authentication Rejected, reason: None fo the authentication protocls specifried are supported and host-based authentication failed
[01:11] <Chislon> please check that the "dcopserver" program is running
[01:12] <Chislon> so what do i do?
[01:15] <_Church_of_FoamY> god damnit
[01:15] <_Church_of_FoamY> that was $hitty
[01:15] <_Church_of_FoamY> for some reason i just coulden't connect
[01:15] <othernoob> Chislon, no idea, sorry
[01:16] <Chislon> othernoob, np, thank you
[01:16] <_Church_of_FoamY> it said my name was in use and i had lost connection
[01:22] <snowseal> any tip on accessing my infra red device?
[01:23] <Chislon> im in kynoptic, and i selected somet things to install, then i hit commit changes, and it says confirm changes, but hten what do i do, there isnt a button for confirming that i see?
[01:26] <othernoob> Chislon. click on that green arrow pointing downwars.
[01:26] <othernoob> downwards*
[01:27] <Chislon> othernoob, and then it says confirm changes and then there is nothing to click
[01:28] <othernoob> uhm.. make the size of the window that popped up a bit bigger
[01:29] <cabajgtr> I suggest installing synaptic, the kynaptic port is a little buggy, screen sizes, etc
[01:29] <cabajgtr> And for most things, using apt-get at the command line is a lot faster
[01:29] <kalenedrael> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[01:29] <othernoob> cabajgtr is kynaptics only bug the screen size ?
[01:29] <cabajgtr> yes
[01:30] <cabajgtr> oh, sorry, the bug is kynaptic only
[01:30] <snowseal> how to play an asf streaming video?
[01:30] <cabajgtr> I'm not sure if there are other problems
[01:30] <kalenedrael> not in linux, you don't
[01:30] <kalenedrael> :P
[01:30] <cabajgtr> what is asf?
[01:30] <kalenedrael> honestly, i don't know, but your chances look slim
[01:30] <kalenedrael> advanced systems format, IIRC
[01:30] <cabajgtr> check mplayer for codecs
[01:31] <kalenedrael> mplayer likely won't help if it's streaming....
[01:31] <cabajgtr> ahh
[01:32] <snowseal> so i would have to install ms media player on wine?
[01:32] <othernoob> cabajgtr, if kynaptics only bug is the size, why install a gnome prog with its dependencies ?
[01:32] <othernoob> snowseal try vlc
[01:32] <snowseal> ty
[01:32] <cabajgtr> chances are you will have most of the dependencies anyway..
[01:32] <othernoob> chances are chances ;)
[01:32] <cabajgtr> personally, i just use apt-get
[01:33] <Chislon> ok thank you for your help
[01:34] <othernoob> i use apt if i know what i want.. kynaptic if im looking around..
[01:35] <Chislon> so synaptic and kynaptic do the same thing so its ok if i use synaptic?
[01:36] <cabajgtr> yeah, kynaptic is a partially ported version of synaptic
[01:36] <Chislon> most of dependencies for waht?
[01:36] <Chislon> can linux play win media files, real files, quicktime, etc?
[01:36] <cabajgtr> It's a gnome program, so it requires gnome libraries
[01:36] <rexykik> what do sata drives appear as (as far as /dev/?)
[01:37] <rexykik> yes Chislon 
[01:37] <cabajgtr> You just need to get all the mplayer codecs, and mplayer
[01:38] <rexykik> my mplayer installed funny for some reason.
[01:38] <Chislon> oh ok thank you
[01:38] <snowseal> mplayer isnt in the repositories.. :(
[01:38] <cabajgtr> how funny?
[01:38] <Chislon> and its legal to do that?
[01:38] <rexykik> lol yes Chislon 
[01:39] <rexykik> its increadibly legal
[01:39] <Chislon> ok thank you
[01:39] <cabajgtr> some codecs (dvd decryption, wma) have questionable licensing issues..
[01:39] <Chislon> and synaptic only shows kde sutff? or both kde and gnome stuff?
[01:39] <rexykik> uhh...just doesnt work with alot of things
[01:39] <cabajgtr> but it's not like the RIAA has a problem with it
[01:39] <rexykik> both
[01:39] <kalenedrael> mplayer is indeed in the repos
[01:39] <kalenedrael> the MPAA probably has a problem with it
[01:39] <kalenedrael> more the libdvdcss than the player itself
[01:40] <cabajgtr> synaptic and kynaptic both show you everything in the repositories you tell it to look in
[01:40] <Chislon> ok thank you... how do i tell it which to look in
[01:40] <rexykik> config file
[01:40] <Chislon> i want it to look in all repositories, yes?
[01:40] <kalenedrael> umm, there are hundreds of repos
[01:40] <rexykik> lol
[01:40] <kalenedrael> ok, how about this
[01:40] <Chislon> so ill be able to make sure to get everything i want
[01:41] <Chislon> ^^
[01:41] <cabajgtr> oh, you want it to look at the ones already in your sources.list
[01:41] <rexykik> heh heh heh
[01:41] <Chislon> ok
[01:41] <kalenedrael> i paste to you my /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:41] <rexykik> paste me in too kalenedrael 
[01:41] <rexykik> it*
[01:41] <kalenedrael> it only has the standard kubuntu repos
[01:41] <Chislon> i did something yesterday that someone walked through where i put a # infront of cd and took a # away from some deb-source stuff if thats what ur refering to?
[01:41] <Chislon> i installed ubuntu and then installed kde
[01:41] <Chislon> so do i then need the standard kubuntu ones?
[01:42] <rexykik> the # is a comment
[01:42] <rexykik> when there is one before something, it means the rest isn't taken into processing
[01:42] <kalenedrael> sure, why not
[01:42] <kalenedrael> they are the same as the ubuntu ones
[01:42] <rexykik> its just a comment, doesnt do anything
[01:43] <Chislon> what do you mean by sure, why not
[01:43] <Chislon> im confused :)
[01:43] <rexykik> "sure, why not" is what i think he means.
[01:43] <cabajgtr> you may have this but this is for mplayer repository with codecs:
[01:43] <cabajgtr> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[01:43] <EvanCarroll> where does the control center save the network information if not in /etc/network/interfaces
[01:43] <Chislon> i dont know how to do any of this.. or what im supposed to be doing with these things
[01:43] <kalenedrael> to update, run sudo apt-get update
[01:43] <kalenedrael> to upgrade, run sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:44] <kalenedrael> Chislon, put those lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[01:44] <rexykik> read a linux for dummies file
[01:44] <Chislon> i do not want to select download package files only correct?
[01:45] <Chislon> kalenedrael, not sur ehow to do that... like for hte most part i dont know anything, so not sure where to start learning and stuff
[01:45] <cabajgtr> Chislon, are you in synaptic?
[01:45] <Chislon> yes
[01:45] <cabajgtr> ok, close it
[01:45] <kalenedrael> i'm going to take a nap for a moment...
[01:45] <rexykik> lol
[01:45] <cabajgtr> open up a terminal
[01:45] <Chislon> kalenedrael, thank you fo ryour help
[01:46] <Chislon> i left download packages only unslected is that right to do?
[01:46] <cabajgtr> go ahead and update packagaes
[01:46] <Chislon> how come this terminal is the opposite of the gnome ones
[01:47] <Chislon> so do sudo apt-get update?
[01:47] <cabajgtr> is synaptic updating?
[01:47] <Chislon> i didnt enter hte command yet
[01:47] <_Church_of_FoamY> back
[01:47] <Chislon> in synaptic i selected a few things i watned installed, then on the confirm screen it said download packages only and that was unchecked, so i left it unchecked
[01:47] <Chislon> and it installed those things
[01:47] <Chislon> then i opened up the terminal like you said
[01:48] <Chislon> am i supposed to type sudo apt-get update in it?
[01:48] <cabajgtr> Well, maybe you don't need to do anytinng
[01:48] <Chislon> ok..
[01:48] <othernoob> churchy, you on now ?
[01:48] <cabajgtr> if it is installing ok from synaptic, than your sources should be fine
[01:48] <cabajgtr> unless you need to add one for mplayer
[01:48] <Chislon> cabajgtr, ok thank you... how do i install thunderbird, i saw several things there
[01:49] <Chislon> so i didnt do any
[01:49] <cabajgtr> If you select the most generic one in synaptic, it should autoselect dependent packages
[01:49] <Chislon> it asked for my password in the terminal, but i didnt wnat to do th ething it was doing so i just closed the terminal, does that work?
[01:49] <cabajgtr> yes
[01:49] <Chislon> ok htank you
[01:50] <cabajgtr> I would suggest reading the basics of Apt-get on the debian.org documentation
[01:50] <Chislon> ok thank you
[01:51] <cabajgtr> occasionally you will want to add a repository to download a special package, but you want to becareful not to have a bunch of conflicting repositories
[01:52] <cabajgtr> or you will run into version problems
[01:52] <Chislon> oh
[01:52] <Chislon> ok
[01:52] <cabajgtr> good luck, gotta run
[01:53] <Chislon> thank you for your help, bye
[02:17] <nmorse> I'm back
[02:22] <_Church_of_FoamY> welcome back
[02:23] <digby> hey, foamy, did you ever get liquid weather working?
[02:27] <nmorse> I'm just waiting for the apocalypse to occur
[02:27] <nmorse> Debian Sarge and Mac on Intel in one day
[02:27] <digby> haha
[02:28] <digby> the world is coming to an end, indeed
[02:28] <nmorse> I'm telling you, with the amount of stuff that happened between Debian releases, the end is extremely f'ing nigh
[02:28] <nmorse> The Olympic Games returned to Greece
[02:28] <nmorse> The Pope Died
[02:28] <nmorse> A German Pope was elected
[02:28] <_Church_of_FoamY> which wories me
[02:29] <nmorse> Deep Throat's identity was revealed
[02:29] <digby> N Korea has nukes
[02:29] <sproingie> what would worry me would be an american pope
[02:29] <_Church_of_FoamY> :::shivers:::
[02:29] <nmorse> It looks exactly like the Apocalypse list, except for the lack of locusts
[02:29] <_Church_of_FoamY> ouch
[02:29] <_Church_of_FoamY> <--pagan revernd
[02:29] <monchy> what you should really be worried about is bush in office till 2008 lol
[02:29] <nmorse> No joke, monchy
[02:30] <sproingie> apocalyptic talk sparked by apple going to intel i take it?
[02:30] <nmorse> But I still prefer him to Kerry
[02:30] <monchy> he scares the most
[02:30] <_Church_of_FoamY> well if that happens i'm moving to the uk
[02:30] <nmorse> and debian sarge released
[02:30] <sproingie> nmorse: why?
[02:30] <monchy> me*
[02:30] <_Church_of_FoamY> or to cananada 
[02:30] <_Church_of_FoamY> or amsterdam cause weeds legal there
[02:30] <nmorse> Time to move to Canada, indeed
[02:30] <_Church_of_FoamY> i'll be a pot farmer
[02:30] <nmorse> Weed's legal in Canada
[02:30] <monchy> yeah all your draft dodgers are welcome here ;)
[02:30] <_Church_of_FoamY> ok i'll bee a pot farmer there
[02:30] <_Church_of_FoamY> i never regesterd
[02:31] <sproingie> hardly.  canada's never granted asylum to americans
[02:31] <nmorse> I'll move to Quebec
[02:31] <_Church_of_FoamY> i woulden't defend this country if they forced me to
[02:31] <_Church_of_FoamY> i'd fight for the other guy
[02:31] <nmorse> Quebec doesn't care as long as you speak French
[02:31] <monchy> ew don't move to quebec
[02:31] <_Church_of_FoamY> cumo talli vue?
[02:31] <nmorse> Why not?
[02:31] <_Church_of_FoamY> bad spelling
[02:31] <nmorse> Very bad spelling
[02:31] <monchy> all they want to do is seperate from canada
[02:31] <monchy> they think they have it so bad
[02:32] <sproingie> damn it.  kicker is becoming the bane of my existence
[02:32] <_Church_of_FoamY> becuase america is the biggest freaking oxymoronic degenrate nation in the world
[02:32] <_Church_of_FoamY> we need to get our ass whooped
[02:32] <_Church_of_FoamY> it would serve us right for all the crokked shit we did
[02:32] <nmorse> I wouldn't say that, Foamy
[02:32] <_Church_of_FoamY> and besides if you diden't know BUSH IS A FUCKING MORON!!! >.<
[02:32] <monchy> that he is
[02:32] <sproingie> golly.  you even old enough to vote?
[02:33] <_Church_of_FoamY> i hate him not only becuase of that
[02:33] <_Church_of_FoamY> but he wants to outlaw my religion
[02:33] <_Church_of_FoamY> dude i am 30 years old
[02:33] <monchy> i wonder how different things would have of been though if kerry got elected
[02:33] <digby> not very
[02:33] <_Church_of_FoamY> i have never voted never regesterd for the draft
[02:33] <sproingie> then talk like it
[02:34] <sproingie> love kde.  kicker is driving me bananas
[02:34] <_Church_of_FoamY> huh?
[02:34] <_Church_of_FoamY> lol
[02:34] <nmorse> Kicker does that sometimes
[02:34] <sproingie> buggy
[02:34] <sproingie> crashy
[02:34] <_Church_of_FoamY> ok look at it this way
[02:34] <sproingie> never remembers layout settings
[02:34] <_Church_of_FoamY> you know the situation in iraq right
[02:35] <_Church_of_FoamY> we gave them weapons and trained them and they flew a plain into our buildings
[02:35] <_Church_of_FoamY> that seems like our fult to me
[02:35] <monchy> you mean al qaeda
[02:35] <sproingie> i was noticing my windows slooooly creep up ... and OFF my screen
[02:35] <_Church_of_FoamY> yea
[02:35] <_Church_of_FoamY> sproinie that neat
[02:35] <sproingie> we created al quaeda.  armed and funded them
[02:36] <_Church_of_FoamY> so when they hit us why where we surprised?
[02:36] <_Church_of_FoamY> we had no business over there in the first place
[02:36] <sproingie> not really unique to us tho
[02:36] <sproingie> israel created hamas.  they wanted a counterweight to the PLO
[02:36] <sproingie> oops
[02:36] <_Church_of_FoamY> if we had kept to ourselves like the founding father had intended us to
[02:36] <_Church_of_FoamY> we woulden't be in debit or hated by other nations for our stupid actions
[02:37] <_Church_of_FoamY> and there would be peace
[02:37] <sproingie> the founding fathers didn't let anyone but white male property owners vote
[02:37] <sproingie> they were men, not gods
[02:37] <_Church_of_FoamY> true but things where diffrent now
[02:37] <_Church_of_FoamY> i mean then
[02:37] <_Church_of_FoamY> they had diffrent morals
[02:37] <_Church_of_FoamY> like they called retards......well retards
[02:38] <sproingie> i'm not casting aspersions.  i'm just saying that enlightened societies are not static
[02:38] <_Church_of_FoamY> no "cereberaly challenged individual"
[02:38] <_Church_of_FoamY> you know that politicly correct non offencive bullcrap
[02:38] <sproingie> yeah.  cuz we should be calling them tards
[02:38] <sproingie> how about gimps
[02:38] <_Church_of_FoamY> damn straight
[02:38] <sproingie> and nig --- oh hey, that's not good is it
[02:38] <_Church_of_FoamY> they made this country great and we messed it up
[02:39] <sproingie> but keep pounding at straw men
[02:39] <_Church_of_FoamY> no not even now
[02:39] <nmorse> Wow, is that some USA bashing
[02:39] <_Church_of_FoamY> we are smarter and know that all people no matter what religion race or creed are equil
[02:39] <nmorse> I swear, self-loathing must be a craze these days
[02:39] <_Church_of_FoamY> even if it means that we dislike there ways and ideas
[02:39] <_Church_of_FoamY> i'm not an american
[02:39] <sproingie> this bit of linguistic polemic makes me not sure about that "smarter now" thing
[02:40] <_Church_of_FoamY> i'm a meain
[02:40] <_Church_of_FoamY> i am the country of me
[02:40] <_Church_of_FoamY> lol
[02:40] <monchy> lol
[02:40] <_Church_of_FoamY> i woulden't want to blow up america or anything
[02:40] <_Church_of_FoamY> but i would like to see us get our "just desserts"
[02:41] <_Church_of_FoamY> and even if it happend in my front yard i'd deal with it
[02:41] <_Church_of_FoamY> just because we deserve it
[02:41] <monchy> you'd be dead lol
[02:41] <_Church_of_FoamY> true
[02:41] <_Church_of_FoamY> can't argue with that
[02:41] <_Church_of_FoamY> lol
[02:41] <sproingie> the problem isn't that the USA is #1 ... it's that we think we are. it'd be nice to have some awareness of not being in the top spot, maybe we'd stop being such bastards trying to defend it
[02:42] <dreumah> hey
[02:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> i agree
[02:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> yea
[02:42] <sproingie> it's like prussia in the 1800's.  thought they were the center of the universe, while the universe was busy proving otherwise
[02:42] <dreumah> both of you are american?
[02:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> yup
[02:42] <_Church_of_FoamY> yes
[02:42] <sproingie> ayyyep
[02:42] <dreumah> wow
[02:43] <monchy> i'm canadian i just don't like things the way are run over there
[02:43] <_Church_of_FoamY> you have to understand derumah we have twisted politicians
[02:43] <_Church_of_FoamY> that makes for a twisted country
[02:43] <_Church_of_FoamY> we think we are the top $hits
[02:43] <dreumah> i am german, so i know about twisted politicians
[02:43] <sproingie> there was also this bunch that mostly sat around and bitched about how prussia was rotting away.  they either turned into bitter philosphers like schiller and nietzsche
[02:44] <_Church_of_FoamY> when it's china with the largest army in the worlsd
[02:44] <othernoob> dreumah, was whlste im herbst ?
[02:44] <sproingie> or nationalists like guess who
[02:44] <_Church_of_FoamY> whoa weard language
[02:44] <_Church_of_FoamY> what is it dutch?
[02:44] <othernoob> heh..german..
[02:44] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh lol
[02:44] <_Church_of_FoamY> i know to words in german
[02:45] <_Church_of_FoamY> gutinobin
[02:45] <dreumah> i dont get the question
[02:45] <_Church_of_FoamY> and gutenmorgan
[02:45] <_Church_of_FoamY> thats it
[02:45] <dreumah> was?
[02:45] <_Church_of_FoamY> yeao
[02:45] <othernoob> dreumah, i thought you said you were german, you know..fall..election ?..ever watch the news?
[02:45] <_Church_of_FoamY> lol
[02:46] <dreumah> i havent lived in germany for 10 years now
[02:46] <othernoob> oooh
[02:46] <dreumah> i left to india when i was ten
[02:46] <dreumah> mit meinen eltern
[02:47] <othernoob> i see.. that might explain why you don't follow the innerpolitic news of germany..
[02:47] <dreumah> because i am a lazy student in the uk
[02:48] <_Church_of_FoamY> i might even move to ireland 
[02:48] <_Church_of_FoamY> it looks pritty
[02:48] <_Church_of_FoamY> from the pics lol
[02:49] <dreumah> never been three
[02:49] <dreumah> there
[02:50] <othernoob> im off, night..
[02:50] <dreumah> night night
[02:54] <snowseal> oi
[02:55] <snowseal> what could be the video device name to specify in vlc?
[02:55] <_Church_of_FoamY> hmm is there a key to get a ppc to boot from the scrom?
[02:56] <_Church_of_FoamY> cdrom even
[02:56] <snowseal> /dev/video is obviously wrong. i dont see video :/
[03:09] <shiv> I have Dell 700m I have aperfect resolution using 855resolution, now the problem is the fonts are too big. Can anybody plz help?
[03:10] <KaiL> control center -> appearance -> fonts :)
[03:10] <KaiL> and yes, they ARE to big
[03:11] <KaiL> Riddell must have 130dpi or so ;)
[03:12] <shiv> I did that but when I reduce the font size they become ugly
[03:16] <Chislon> i am trying to make Gaim thinner, it wont go thinner, is there anyway to get it thinner? if not... why not?
[03:18] <snowseal> skins
[03:18] <Chislon> ?
[03:18] <Chislon> what do you mean
[03:31] <abisen> kubuntu is awesome ... the best KDE implementation i have ever seen .. 
[03:50] <dhanish> anyone else having problem having apt-get trying even see the updates to kde 3.4.1 using deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main?
[03:53] <dhanish> "sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" doesn't do anything after updating sources.lst anyone else having that issue?
[03:54] <reagleBRKLN> can anyone view the clip in http://stream.apple.akadns.net/ ?
[03:55] <reagleBRKLN> kaffeine plugin seems to have problems with many online videos, seemingly if they don't have a nice file extension...?
[03:55] <sirukin> not I
[03:55] <reagleBRKLN> sirukin: what error? (if any?)
[03:55] <sirukin> anything conclusive on the repository bussiness?
[03:55] <sirukin> reagleBRKLN, ?
[03:55] <reagleBRKLN> oh, weren't talking to me
[03:55] <sirukin> haha
[03:55] <reagleBRKLN> i get the error: No plugin found to handle this resource (rtsp://a2047.v1412b.c1412.g.vq.akamaistream.net/5/2047/1412/1_h264_350/1a1a1ae555c531960166df4dbc3095c327960d7be756b71b49aa1576e344addb3ead1a497aaedf11/wwdc_2005_1_h264_350.mov)
[03:55] <sirukin> ahh
[03:56] <sirukin> are you using realmedia player 10?
[03:56] <sirukin> or something
[03:56] <reagleBRKLN> no kaffeine and mplayer
[03:56] <reagleBRKLN> xine: cannot find input plugin for MRL [rtsp://a2047.v1412b.c1412.g.vq.akamaistream.net/5/2047/1412/1_h264_350/1a1a1ae555c531960166df4dbc3095c327960d7be756b71b49aa1576e344addb3ead1a497aaedf11/wwdc_2005_1_h264_350.mov] 
[03:56] <reagleBRKLN> xine: input plugin cannot open MRL [rtsp://a2047.v1412b.c1412.g.vq.akamaistream.net/5/2047/1412/1_h264_350/1a1a1ae555c531960166df4dbc3095c327960d7be756b71b49aa1576e344addb3ead1a497aaedf11/wwdc_2005_1_h264_350.mov] 
[03:56] <reagleBRKLN> (that's what kaffeine's details says)
[03:57] <sirukin> I have had terrible experinces with kaffeine.
[03:57] <sirukin> experiences even
[03:57] <sirukin> it crashes in the middle of movies if I open another video file, it just blanks and doesn't close the preceding stream
[03:57] <sirukin> something to that effect anyway
[03:57] <sirukin> ;S
[03:57] <dhanish> why would apt-get not see the 3.4.1 updates even after doing apt-get update?
[03:58] <sirukin> dhanish, you need to use the perscribed repository.
[04:00] <dhanish> sirukin: prescribed...huh? i'm using kubuntu.org as a repo like the channel topic said
[04:01] <dhanish> is that not a prescribed repo?
[04:01] <sirukin> okay
[04:01] <sirukin> have you updated previously?
[04:01] <sirukin> try commenting out everything except the one in the topic
[04:01] <sirukin> I used kde's repository however
[04:02] <dhanish> hrm...almost there...i just tried commenting out everything except the official repos but let me just try kde 3.4.1 repo only
[04:02] <_Church_of_FoamY> feel my squirlly rath!
[04:02] <dhanish> btw...regarding kaffeine...have you guys checked the forums and downloaded the *fix* package....did the trick for me
[04:03] <sirukin> no, but I will now
[04:03] <sirukin> happen to have the url handy?
[04:03] <monchy> what web browser you guys using for kubuntu?
[04:04] <dhanish> nah..sorry just search in the kubuntu forum for kaffeine fix i'm sure you'll see the long thread
[04:04] <sirukin> kk
[04:04] <sirukin> ty
[04:04] <dhanish> btw...i guess having just kubuntu.org in the sources.lst worked....odd
[04:05] <dhanish> ty as well :)
[04:05] <sirukin> no
[04:05] <sirukin> it makes sense
[04:05] <dhanish> eh...why?
[04:05] <sirukin> because if the kde packages in the main repositories aren't updated, then the kde 3.4.1 updates are considered as the same as the old ones
[04:06] <sirukin> or something
[04:06] <sirukin> :S
[04:06] <sirukin> dhanish, yeah
[04:06] <dhanish> oh k...but i thought apt-get was suppose to use the latest packages from any one of the repos in the sources.lst
[04:08] <sirukin> yeah
[04:08] <sirukin> maybe you're right
[04:08] <sirukin> but that doesn't explain why the regular ubuntu packages for 3.4 have priority over the kde 3.4.1 release packages
[04:08] <dhanish> sirukin: kaffeine_0.6-1_i386.deb is the package i used to fix my kaffiene issues but i cant recall where i downloaded it from i think i found the link through the forums
[04:09] <reagleBRKLN> dhanish: hrmm...
[04:09] <sirukin> or something like that, am I making any sense?
[04:09] <sirukin> :S
[04:09] <dhanish> yeh...sorta
[04:09] <sirukin> my...sources.lst is empty
[04:09] <reagleBRKLN> let me train 0.6-1 out of sid... no that's scary, requires a new libc6
[04:10] <sirukin> I removed everything
[04:10] <sirukin> stupid Ign:blah blah blah
[04:11] <dhanish> reagleBRKLN: i am not sure about that but it works fine....
[04:12] <reagleBRKLN> dhanish: that's what's your using, from unstable?
[04:14] <dhanish> i believe so....want the dpkg-deb --info output?
[04:16] <reagleBRKLN> apt-cache policy is handy that way
[04:17] <dhanish> sorry i'm new to apt*....apt-cache policy?
[04:20] <rcec> Anyone here?
[04:20] <reagleBRKLN> no
[04:20] <rcec> :-)
[04:21] <Shuddertrix> Nope. No one here. Look elsewhere.
[04:22] <_Church_of_FoamY> there is none avalible to take your call please leave your message after the beep.....
[04:23] <_Church_of_FoamY> BEEP!
[04:23] <reagleBRKLN> 404
[04:23] <Shuddertrix> *cues elevator music*
[04:23] <reagleBRKLN> ;)
[04:23] <rcec> I'm teaching my unc about this IRC stuff LOL
[04:23] <Shuddertrix> Your call is important to us. Please hold until further notice. All of our operators are eating pie. <snicker>
[04:24] <_Church_of_FoamY> someone needs to teach me the commands lol
[04:25] <sirukin> I want to start a geek punk band
[04:26] <Shuddertrix> Haha, sarge was released today, 2 DVD's, 14 CD's. The only option should be the network install, but even then, it's not Kubuntu nor does it have KDE 3.4 :D
[04:26] <sirukin> hehe
[04:26] <reagleBRKLN> well, it supports 11 architectures
[04:27] <reagleBRKLN> and is the base upon which kubuntu stands
[04:27] <Shuddertrix> reagleBRKLN: Of course, but it's vanilla and those 2 DVDs/14 CDs came from the i386 build.
[04:29] <Chislon> what do you recommend to take the place of winamp on windows for k/ubuntu?
[04:29] <sirukin> you know your distro is backwards when theres a release every 4 years
[04:29] <Chislon> id like it to do the, or somethign similiar, to how winamp does shoutcast
[04:29] <reagleBRKLN> Chislon: xmms, amarok, juk
[04:29] <sirukin> xmms2
[04:29] <Chislon> do they do shoutcast or soemthing similiar?
[04:30] <Shuddertrix> bmp, amarok, juk, xmms, etc.
[04:31] <Shuddertrix> I've been able to listen to shoutcast with beep-media-player, not sure about others..
[04:32] <Shuddertrix> If you need something to fall on, though, I bet Crossover office runs Winamp, or perhaps vanilla wine.
[04:32] <Chislon> ok thank you
[04:32] <Chislon> ok thank you
[04:33] <Shuddertrix> Cedega might work for those fancier visulizations (milkdrop)
[04:34] <Chislon> not familiar with milkdrop, but its a winamp visuization?
[04:35] <sirukin> Actually, I've been using Helix player and RM 10 for everything
[04:35] <sirukin> works very nicely
[04:35] <Chislon> whats rm
[04:35] <Shuddertrix> milk something, it's been around for awhile, it's very nice
[04:35] <Chislon> oh kool
[04:36] <Shuddertrix> realmedia
[04:36] <Shuddertrix> realplayer.
[04:36] <Chislon> ok wasnt sure
[04:36] <Shuddertrix> helix. shiver.
[04:36] <sirukin> Shuddertrix, haha
[04:36] <sirukin> well, it works.....for a few things
[04:36] <sirukin> :S
[04:38] <dm1tri> me mldonkey not a plugin for fasttrack. help-me
[04:41] <Chislon> is there something similiar to media player classic that can legally play quicktime, real, windows media files and all that on linux?
[04:43] <crimsun> Chislon: legally? no.
[04:44] <crimsun> Chislon: at least not in the form you're probably considering
[04:44] <Chislon> what do u mean
[04:45] <crimsun> Chislon: there are the live.com codecs, there is ffmpeg, and there is support for older versions of quicktime - all legal
[04:45] <Chislon> what slive adn ffmpeg? but theres no legal for windows media or real time?
[04:49] <closure> so umm
[04:49] <closure> since debian sarge 3.1 was released does this effect kubuntu
[04:49] <crimsun> no
[04:49] <crimsun> why would it?
[04:50] <Chislon> crimsun, whats live and ffmpeg? but theres no legal for windows media or real time?
[04:50] <closure> crimsun, because it's debian based?
[04:50] <Chislon> closure, i wondered the same thing
[04:51] <crimsun> Chislon: live.com -> real, ffmpeg -> avi
[04:51] <Chislon> crimsun, what about wma's and all that stuff
[04:51] <crimsun> Chislon: ffmpeg may support them, but I don't use ffmpeg for wmas. I use mplayer.
[04:52] <Chislon> crimsun, but mplayer is illegal?
[04:52] <crimsun> Chislon: mplayer encourages the distribution of IP-questionable codecs
[04:52] <crimsun> (it needs w32codecs)
[04:52] <Chislon> crimsun, ok.. whats IP mean
[04:53] <crimsun> intellectual property
[04:53] <Chislon> oh ok
[04:55] <Chislon> crimsun, but what if i own a legal copy of windows xp? isn thtat just like how its legal to burn your own cds?
[04:56] <crimsun> Chislon: I don't know if owning a copy of XP entitles you to use Windows-based codecs on a non-Windows install. I am not a lawyer yet.
[04:56] <Chislon> crimsun, ok thank you
[04:57] <crimsun> np
[04:58] <closure> does anyone use opera?
[05:10] <closure> is net install set up for kubuntu yet?
[05:22] <_Church_of_FoamY> 
[05:23] <_Church_of_FoamY> 
[05:24] <_Church_of_FoamY> 
[05:24] <_Church_of_FoamY> 
[05:25] <_Church_of_FoamY> 
[05:25] <sirukin> hmm
[05:26] <_Church_of_FoamY> 
[05:26] <_Church_of_FoamY> 
[05:26] <_Church_of_FoamY> 
[05:27] <_Church_of_FoamY> 
[05:27] <sproingie> yes, we can see unicode works
[05:27] <_Church_of_FoamY> sorry i was just playing
[05:27] <_Church_of_FoamY> still thinking that linux is neat
[05:27] <_Church_of_FoamY> ^_^
[05:40] <closure> hrm
[05:40] <closure> yeah
[05:41] <closure> umm is there a way to make a demand for things to be supported in the next releast
[05:41] <closure> err release
[05:46] <mrmanic> a demand?
[05:46] <mrmanic> probably not unless you have a lot of money to throw at the problem.
[05:46] <mrmanic> there's probably a wishlist, though.
[05:51] <str> Hi there..
[05:51] <str> I don't find the w32codec package
[05:51] <closure> mrmanic, it was a joke
[05:54] <mrmanic> closure: ok :)
[05:54] <mrmanic> exhaustion makes me take things way too seriously, I think
[05:56] <closure> mrmanic, i mean i would make a demand if i could
[05:56] <closure> lol
[05:57] <mrmanic> closure: :D  keep saving your pennies :D  some day you might have enough to buy your own developer to demand features from. ;)
[06:00] <hyphenated> bah, who renamed the kubuntu .iso's?! ;-)
[06:03] <closure> alright!
[06:03] <closure> got flash working1
[06:03] <closure> that's a start
[06:03] <ubuntu> where can I find win32 codecs
[06:04] <crimsun> ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:05] <ubuntu> sweet. Thanks
[06:06] <ubuntu> I'm running Kubuntu Live and it is sweet. 
[06:06] <closure> can't you just apt-get them?
[06:06] <closure> ubuntu, try it full install
[06:06] <closure> it's even cooler
[06:07] <ubuntu> I am kinda wishing I installed it instead of Debian Sarge. Super fast settup.
[06:08] <crimsun> closure: I gave him the url with instructions for apt-getting the package
[06:08] <closure> oh
[06:10] <ubuntu> closure: I just needed the apt source mirror address. 
[06:11] <ubuntu> Debian Sarge mirrors have win32 codecs.  Whey don
[06:11] <ubuntu> whey don't ubuntu mirrors have them?
[06:15] <crimsun> ubuntu isn't debian, though
[06:15] <closure> it supports deb pkgs though
[06:15] <crimsun> so does libranet
[06:15] <crimsun> so does knoppix
[06:15] <crimsun> that doesn't make either of them debian :)
[06:16] <ubuntu> They are based on Debian. Just look at the installer. Ubuntu and Kubuntu screem Debian
[06:17] <crimsun> that's my point
[06:17] <crimsun> just because all the distros are based on debian does not make them debian
[06:17] <mrmanic> ubuntu: you are based on your parents, but you are not your parents.
[06:17] <crimsun> therefore to expect that they function identically to debian is misled
[06:18] <ubuntu> downloading win32codecs as we speak. Synaptic is so sweet. apt-get is so awsome
[06:26] <closure> http://www.opera.com/linux/docs/plugins/install/#java
[06:26] <closure> could someone please explain what step 3 through 5 is saying?
[06:33] <mrmanic> it sounds like OPERA_PLUGIN_PATH is an environment variable
[06:35] <closure> yeah but where do i set it?
[06:35] <closure> or how do i set it?
[06:35] <mrmanic> so you'd say export OPERA_PLUGIN_PATH=whatever/path/it/says
[06:36] <closure> hrm
[06:41] <mrmanic> look at the general instructions at the top of the page
[06:41] <mrmanic> then apply them as necessary to the java instructions
[06:41] <mrmanic> I'm out.
[06:43] <closure> hrm ok
[06:43] <closure> later
[07:41] <Ghetek> i cant apt-get azureus
[07:42] <Ghetek> perhaps im missing something in my sources list?
[07:52] <Ghetek> sigh
[07:53] <Ghetek> i should get sleep anywa
[07:53] <Ghetek> *anyway
[07:53] <Ghetek> talk to you guys in the morning, do not stay up too late
[07:55] <cabajgtr> I'm setting up a new kubuntu box, and i'm trying to get samba working, for some reason smbpasswd can't connect to the daemon when i run it as a user
[08:55] <Chislon> i just got a konquereror kde crash message up, what do i do?
[08:57] <monchy> man these opera menu fonts are fugly
[09:01] <Tm_T> SARGE!
[09:06] <sproingie> opera's choice of default fonts was ... curious
[09:06] <sproingie> Opera 8: Courier New's Revenge
[09:06] <Chislon> i got a Konquerer the kde crash handler message, waht do i do please?
[09:08] <kameron> i'm interested in switching distros, from mandrake, to kubuntu.. can anyone talk to me, just about the basics of the ubuntu project, and the differences between kubuntu and ubuntu.. package management, etc?
[09:08] <gdh> Tm_T: yes sarge indeed - have been here for the last hour after getting bitten by an auto nightly upgrade to "stable" :)
[09:08] <sproingie> kameron: kubuntu is ubuntu using kde instead of gnome
[09:09] <kameron> i know that, but that's about all i know.
[09:09] <kameron> is that the only difference?
[09:09] <sproingie> kameron: ubuntu is more or less debian unstable, made stable and released every 6 months.  plus some changes of its own, e.g. xorg instead of xf86
[09:10] <kameron> cool.
[09:10] <kameron> what package management, and dep-solver does it use?
[09:10] <kameron> deb, and apt-get?
[09:10] <sproingie> kameron: if you know debian, you know ubuntu.  different packaging, more "desktop" oriented
[09:10] <sproingie> kameron: of course
[09:10] <kameron> okay.
[09:10] <kameron> i know little of debian. i've been mandrake for years now.
[09:10] <sproingie> i think you'll find apt refreshing
[09:11] <sproingie> people usually rave about synaptic, though i prefer aptitude
[09:11] <kameron> those art all dep solvers?
[09:11] <kameron> are*
[09:11] <sproingie> yes, apt solves deps, downloads, installs, uninstalls
[09:12] <sproingie> it front ends the package management, you hardly ever use dpkg unless you downloaded or built a package manually
[09:12] <kalenedrael> ok, wtf
[09:13] <kameron> link to a bittorrent download of kubuntu? or ftp, something?
[09:13] <kalenedrael> i was supposed to take a nap for an hour or so and ended up sleeping for a few
[09:14] <kalenedrael> like 6 hours
[09:14] <kalenedrael> damn it
[09:14] <kameron> lol kalendrae1
[09:14] <kameron> and, how is amd64 support.. as well as ppc support? i don't own x86.. just ppc and amd64.
[09:15] <sproingie> amd64 support is quite good
[09:15] <kalenedrael> i have an athlon64 and it works well
[09:15] <sproingie> i use it myself
[09:15] <kalenedrael> now it's 3:15AM over here
[09:15] <sproingie> it does not do bi-arch however.  however, chroot+debootstrap makes creating a 32bit chroot pretty painless
[09:15] <kalenedrael> and i had all this shit to do that i have no time for
[09:15] <sproingie> i like chroots, i might run gentoo in a chroot just for kicks
[09:17] <sproingie> not sure how good the ppc support is, don't have any ppc myself
[09:17] <kameron> so.. download link? i'm pretty much sold.
[09:18] <sproingie> well if you want kubuntu, www.kubuntu.org
[09:18] <sproingie> if you prefer gnome, www.ubuntulinux.org
[09:18] <kameron> uhh, not into gnome.
[09:19] <sproingie> you want kubuntu then.  it installs a few gnome libs because it has tools that depend on them.  not much tho
[09:19] <kalenedrael> yeah
[09:19] <kalenedrael> this is the kubuntu channel, after all....
[09:20] <kameron> yeah, gnome libs and tools is all good. i just don't want the DE
[09:20] <sproingie> kubuntu is ubuntu, and they use the same apt sources.  just a different configuration
[09:21] <sproingie> you can install kubuntu easily from vanilla ubuntu.  gnome is just more entrenched on vanilla ubuntu
[09:21] <kameron> vanilla?
[09:21] <kameron> release code name?
[09:21] <sproingie> naw, idiomatic term
[09:21] <kameron> for?
[09:21] <sproingie> plain
[09:21] <kameron> ah, okay.
[09:22] <kameron> which route SHOULD i go then, for best compatibility, easy of use.. install ubuntu, and then get kde working.. or just go for kubuntu?
[09:22] <sproingie> it's kind of appropriate since ubuntu is so brown :)
[09:23] <kameron> right-o
[09:23] <sproingie> kameron: kubuntu will be fine
[09:23] <Tm_T> kameron: install ubuntu, apt-get kubuntu-desktop and remove unneeded packages
[09:23] <Tm_T> that's what I prefer
[09:24] <kameron> well, it doesn't seem like it reallly makes a difference.
[09:24] <kameron> besides, all the kubuntu blue and dragon stuff is cute!
[09:24] <sproingie> it's literally one meta-package in ubuntu.  just that the kubuntu distribution (as opposed to the package) doesn't install gnome, and regular ubuntu does 
[09:24] <kameron> i'm really not into gnome.
[09:24] <kameron> it's like, the gay.
[09:25] <sproingie> that could be construed as a compliment here in san francisco
[09:25] <kameron> hahahaha.
[09:25] <kalenedrael> haha
[09:25] <kameron> www.purepwnage.com great show.. from here in canada. they say that a lot.. "the gay"
[09:26] <sproingie> i think gnome is technically pretty sound.  the UI bugs the crap out of me tho
[09:26] <kalenedrael> yeah
[09:26] <kalenedrael> i find it not as configurable as kde
[09:26] <Tm_T> yup
[09:26] <kalenedrael> kde is a bit bloated, admittedly
[09:26] <kameron> that's the only thing, the ui bugs me a lot. i beet it's sound and all.. but, not for me.
[09:26] <kameron> yes, kde is bloated. i will use fluxbox too, though.
[09:26] <sproingie> fluxbox is just a wm, can't see what the fuss is about
[09:27] <kalenedrael> O.o my peripheral vision is not good enough to see the top and the bottom of my screen at the same time
[09:27] <sproingie> xfce is pretty well supported in ubuntu ... still, gtk based tho
[09:28] <sproingie> so you get all the nice gtk dialogs like the file picker
[09:28] <kalenedrael> if i'm looking at the bottom of the screen, which i am, since that is where all the new lines show up in my irc window
[09:28] <kalenedrael> ew, gtk
[09:29] <kameron> i juse like to use fluxbox when i'm doing work. it's leaner, quicker compile times, etc. less distracting. more straightforward.
[09:29] <sproingie> qt the toolkit bugs me in a lot of ways, but I just use the apps, it's nice
[09:30] <sproingie> i want something like the lisp machines CLIM for my shell
[09:30] <sproingie> command line terminal that creates draggable widgets in the terminal window on the fly
[09:30] <kameron> that'd be cool.
[09:30] <sproingie> so you could type "ls" and then rubberband some of the files and drag them into your editor
[09:31] <kameron> kubuntu is 5% down.
[09:31] <sproingie> i should go to sleep.  nite all
[09:31] <kameron> non-free source code.. easily accessible in ubuntu? plugins, players, drivers, etc?
[09:32] <kameron> okay, goodnight sproingie.. thanks for the info.
[09:32] <sproingie> kameron: add the "restricted",  "universe", and "multiverse" repositories to your apt sources to get "non-free" stuff
[09:32] <sproingie> universe is actually all free, just "third party"
[09:32] <kameron> sounds good.
[09:32] <sproingie> nite
[09:32] <kameron> night.
[10:19] <dreumah> hey, i have a problem with my mplayer and xine, they freeze whenever i try to play a movie
[10:20] <laser_tk> getting eny error message?
[10:21] <dreumah> no it just stops doing what its doing... loads the first frame and goes black
[10:22] <dreumah> i installed chroot yesterday to get kvirc running on my amd64, maybe that is why it doesnt work because before chroot it did
[10:33] <dreumah> now xine has no sound
[10:35] <dreumah> but mplayer works
[10:38] <rodolfo> hi, is there a way to change the font size of the gui of e.g. xchat?
[10:38] <rodolfo> I have this font-size problem also with other applications
[10:50] <scanwinder> how do i get my tv tuner card to work in xawtv?......its a Winfast tv 2000 xp deluxe.................when i run scantv, it says vbi: open failed [/dev/vbi] 
[11:06] <scanwinder> anyone know how2 find out if my tv tuner card has drivers installed?
[11:19] <gsuveg> what pkg part the /bin/uic ?
[12:10] <edulix> hi !
[12:11] <edulix> anyone can successfully launch /usr/bin/kcmshell kde-clock.desktop and enter admin mode ? it seems borked to me
[12:30] <\sh> Riddell: ping
[12:35] <Riddell> \sh: hi
[12:36] <gdh> Riddell: quickie - will there be any proper KIOSlave integration for OpenOffice in breezy? Or will KOffice 1.4 replace OO.org in breezy?
[12:40] <Riddell> gdh: probably not the first since that's in openoffice 2 only
[12:40] <Riddell> gdh: and I'm open to debate on the second
[12:41] <gdh> cool on both accounts :) I don't use any office apps enough to be able to say if KOffice is 'any good' for the average Windows user...
[12:42] <gdh> 'Can I use my Access .MDB files with it?' ... grrr bane of my life...
[12:42] <gdh> Is the KIOSlave support already in hoary's OO2?
[12:42] <\sh> Riddell: do u want to see the package first (kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts)?
[12:46] <Riddell> \sh: well it has to be reviewed by three people, and I'd be happy to be one of them
[12:47] <Riddell> gdh: should be
[12:51] <\sh> Riddell: ok..normal motu way...
[12:54] <Riddell> I don't like to cheat
[01:06] <\sh> Riddell: me neither
[01:20] <natino> ciao
[01:22] <\sh> Riddell: MOTUNewPackages updated accordingly :)
[01:22] <Riddell> \sh: cool, I'll try and review the pending MOTUNewPackages today or tomorrow
[01:23] <\sh> Riddell: at least, it's not much ;)
[01:24] <Riddell> is python-kde3 in breezy yet?
[01:24] <\sh> yepp
[01:24] <\sh> but there is a new upload coming, but only cosmetic adjustments..
[01:24] <\sh> like html api documentation for the new syntax 
[01:25] <\sh> i think my day need to have 96 hours
[01:25] <edulix> is breezy going to include swsusp2 activated by default ?
[01:26] <edulix> it would be cool to be able to suspend the pc no matter what the hardware is
[01:27] <edulix> ah, and it's vry good way to have fast halt/start times and also a huge uptime for those of us who shutdown the pc regularly (you know, like most computer users I know)
[01:27] <\sh> for what? if I'm not sitting at my workstation, most propably my workstation is compiling software..
[01:30] <edulix> \sh: I have the pc in my own bedroom and I don't like too much to hear it when I try to sleep. and what about casual users  ? there many people that kubuntu should be bening to, not just developers, I belive
[01:32] <\sh> edulix: i think it will give more troubles then a normal hw suspend, in the end, it should work first of all for laptops and then for the rest
[01:38] <edulix> \sh: AFAIK, software suspend 2  should work in any machine
[01:40] <\sh> even on sparc?,-)
[01:45] <edulix> \sh: yes. at least there's no mention to the architecture needed, so I think that doesn't affect swsusp2 as long as your kernel have compiled it in 
[01:47] <edulix> (see http://www.suspend2.net/HOWTO-2.html#ss2.2)
[01:49] <edulix> "Software Suspend on a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel requires a CPU featuring pse or pse36 feature (type cat /proc/cpuinfo and check the flags line for pse or pse36). SMP support is functional also" uhm how know, maybe spart doesn't supprt pse? :P
[02:00] <Riddell> hay \sh, this python stuff actually works http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/pykde.png
[02:00] <Riddell> you're the man
[02:02] <gdh> sure beats Tcl/Tk for easy UI scripting :)
[02:07] <\sh> Riddell: heheh :)
[02:09] <Riddell> so \sh, what's your next package to conquer?
[02:09] <Riddell> how about kde ruby bindings?
[02:09] <Riddell> can't be too difficult, at least they're well maintained
[02:10] <\sh> Riddell: hmm...i don't have any clue about ruby...;) anyways, i don't have any clue about python as well :;)
[02:10] <oniryx> hello Kubuntu'ers
[02:11] <edulix> hi oniryx :)
[02:34] <oniryx> back
[02:34] <oniryx> edulix: hi
[03:12] <snowseal> i tried to install nvidia with apt, but got low performace. isit advisable to install it manually?
[03:13] <sparkling> hi all
[03:13] <sparkling> hi all i've started kubuntu on a powerpc with kubuntu live cd for powerpc
[03:14] <sparkling> is it possible to install a program on a usb key?
[03:21] <Mez> whats a good torrent downloader for kubuntu
[03:21] <laser_tk> qtorrent?
[03:21] <\sh> btlaunchmanycurses . --max_upload_rate 20
[03:24] <Tm_T> Mez: azureus
[03:32] <Mez> Tm_T isnt that like a massive b/w hogger
[03:34] <Tm_T> Mez: b/w?
[03:34] <cabajgtr> Hi, i'm setting up samba, and for some reason, non-root users can't connect to smbd with smbpasswd, any ideas?
[03:34] <Tm_T> black&white?
[03:35] <Mez> bandwidth
[03:36] <Tm_T> what you mean
[03:37] <Tm_T> I have no bandwidth problem with azureus
[03:38] <Tm_T> but anyway, I don't use torrents really so what do I know about it ;)
[04:06] <rodolfo> hi, when I enter "Administrator Mode" in the control center, on some configuration options (e.g. network, samba), it jumps me back to the home page.. anyone experienced this behaviour?
[04:08] <Tm_T> yeah, some have trouble with it
[04:09] <rodolfo> can it be fixed?
[04:09] <Tm_T> I don't know
[04:09] <Tm_T> because I don't have that problem
[04:09] <rodolfo> is it a bug?
[04:10] <Tm_T> dunno
[04:10] <Tm_T> do you have KDE 3.4.1?
[04:10] <gdh> it's a known issue, just run 'sudo kcontrol'
[04:10] <Tm_T> heh
[04:11] <Tm_T> I forgot that
[04:11] <Tm_T> I'm too confused to think today
[04:13] <_Church_of_FoamY> is there a website that gives you a ist of all the diffrent torrents?
[04:13] <_Church_of_FoamY> for downloading?
[04:21] <rodolfo> I have kde 3.4.0; what does sudo kcontrol do?
[04:22] <Tm_T> _Church_of_FoamY: many
[04:23] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh yea i see that lol
[04:23] <_Church_of_FoamY> trying to get a program becuase i don't have a credit card
[04:23] <_Church_of_FoamY> :(
[04:24] <_Church_of_FoamY> the shitty thing is i can afford it :(
[04:25] <gdh> rodolfo: 'sudo kcontrol' runs the Control Centre as root
[04:25] <gdh> which is exactly what you want to change things in 'adminstrator mode'
[04:28] <_Church_of_FoamY> TM_T can you reccomend a good site man?
[04:30] <rodolfo> gdh, ok
[04:32] <rodolfo> gdh, do you know if this a bug in kcontrol?
[04:33] <gdh> rodolfo: I do. It is.
[04:33] <oniryx> I dont see the window list when I cycle through them, anybody has an idea ??
[04:33] <SquishyWaffle> Anyone ever had permissions errors for /dev/dsp?
[04:33] <SquishyWaffle> /join #kubuntu-devel
[04:33] <SquishyWaffle> whoops
[04:35] <Tm_T> _Church_of_FoamY: yes, http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/
[04:35] <oniryx> SquishyWaffle: nope , do you permission errors with the default user ?
[04:35] <Tm_T> _Church_of_FoamY: there's couple good torrents ;)
[04:35] <abisen> how can i remove these cool little popups from my KDE panel 
[04:36] <SquishyWaffle> oniryx: yes it is, as soon as KDE open
[04:36] <Tm_T> abisen: Kicker?
[04:36] <_Church_of_FoamY> can you reccomend one
[04:36] <Tm_T> what popups
[04:36] <oniryx> Tm_T: do you use Alt+Tab ?
[04:36] <Tm_T> oniryx: hmm, sometimes
[04:36] <abisen> Tm_T: yeah ... these little fadin / fadeout info on my tool bar in kicker
[04:36] <Tm_T> _Church_of_FoamY: I don't care about others, they are mostly pirate stuff anyway
[04:37] <oniryx> SquishyWaffle:did you check on supported hardware on the wiki ?
[04:37] <Tm_T> abisen: hmm? I don't have any fades
[04:37] <oniryx> Tm_T when you use it do you have a list of windows displayed ?
[04:37] <SquishyWaffle> oniryx: It was working two days ago :(
[04:37] <oniryx> SquishyWaffle: ouch
[04:37] <Tm_T> abisen: ah! now I got it!
[04:37] <oniryx> SquishyWaffle: did you upgrade your kubuntu during this period ?
[04:37] <Tm_T> abisen: wait a minute, I'll explain
[04:38] <SquishyWaffle> oniryx: "Sound server informational message: Error while initializing the sound driver: device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission Denied) The sound server will continue, using the null output device.
[04:38] <Tm_T> oniryx: yes
[04:38] <abisen> Tm_T: i mean when i mouse ovver to K it pops up and says click here and stuff
[04:38] <abisen> okay waiting
[04:38] <SquishyWaffle> oniryx: I did upgrade to KDE 3.4.1 but the sound was working until I restarted yesterday
[04:38] <oniryx> Tm_T and you have an updated kubuntu ?
[04:38] <Tm_T> abisen: you can control it in control centre
[04:38] <Tm_T> oniryx: yes
[04:38] <abisen> Tm_T: from where i am not able to find it
[04:38] <kane> hello \sh 
[04:39] <oniryx> Tm_T thx I try on a new user to see if it's a configuration probleme
[04:39] <oniryx> -e
[04:39] <Tm_T> abisen: ok, rightclick in kicker -> configure panel -> 
[04:39] <abisen> ok
[04:40] <Tm_T> abisen: -> appearance -> enable mouseover effects
[04:40] <Tm_T> abisen: disable it, and they're gone
[04:40] <oniryx> SquishyWaffle: if you go to "control center"  > "Sound & Multimedia" > Sound System, disable and enable it
[04:40] <oniryx> SquishyWaffle: do you still have the error message ??
[04:40] <abisen> Tm_T: okies cool done ... :) that was irritating
[04:40] <SquishyWaffle> oniryx: Yeah, I tried that :(
[04:40] <Tm_T> abisen: heh, I have no troulbe with it, because I don't usually use any icons
[04:41] <SquishyWaffle> doing an ls  on /dev/dsp: crwxrwxr-x  1 root audio 14, 3 2005-06-06 18:49 /dev/ds
[04:41] <SquishyWaffle> primary user is in audio group
[04:41] <abisen> Tm_T: 10x 
[04:42] <oniryx> SquishyWaffle: ok, does alsamixer (in console) works ? (Esc to quit)
[04:42] <SquishyWaffle> oniryx: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Permission denied
[04:42] <Tm_T> abisen: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/GratefulDead.png
[04:42] <oniryx> SquishyWaffle: ok, type in id
[04:43] <SquishyWaffle> oniryx: hrm, the audio group isn't showing there but it is in Kusers
[04:43] <abisen> Tm_T: nice background
[04:43] <\sh> hi kane 
[04:43] <oniryx> SquishyWaffle: ok, adduser _USER_ audio
[04:43] <oniryx> SquishyWaffle: restart a KDE session
[04:43] <abisen> Tm_T: what iconset are you using !! i like that K of KDE
[04:44] <SquishyWaffle> oniryx: The user `gtaylor' is already a member of `audio'.
[04:44] <Tm_T> abisen: all edited/made by myself, backgrounds, iconsets...
[04:44] <_Church_of_FoamY> hey Tm_T i like the graphs at the right of your screen howd ya get them?
[04:44] <SquishyWaffle> well it looks like at least the Kuser GUI works, let me re-start KDE real quick
[04:44] <Tm_T> abisen: that K is our community logo
[04:45] <Tm_T> _Church_of_FoamY: torsmo.sf.net
[04:45] <abisen> Tm_T: nice touches that esp . the new mail icon.. and the K
[04:46] <SquishyWaffle> oniryx: Thanks for the help, the group was the problem
[04:46] <SquishyWaffle> oniryx: It just completly slipped my mind because I rarely have sound problems :)
[04:46] <oniryx> SquishyWaffle: no problem, unix group is a common issue
[04:46] <SquishyWaffle> oniryx: Could the groups have been messed up during the upgrade?
[04:47] <oniryx> SquishyWaffle: nop, the update dont touch the group file
[04:48] <oniryx> SquishyWaffle: maybe the tool that you use has a problem
[04:48] <SquishyWaffle> oniryx: Possibly, I'll see if I can reproduce the problem
[04:52] <Tm_T> abisen: some "almost finally done" graphics: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/graphics/
[04:53] <oniryx> Tm_T: thanks for your help I've spotted a bug !
[04:54] <Tm_T> oniryx: whoa, nice
[04:56] <oniryx> Tm_T: can you try this : 1. Alt+Tab to see that the list appear // 2. Control Center >> Desktop >> Window Behavior , change Focus policy to anything else except 'Click to Focus' "APPLY" and try Alt+Tab
[04:58] <rodolfo> Tm_T: did you set a console as a background?
[04:59] <Tm_T> rodolfo: it's Eterm set to "stay below" etc
[05:00] <snowseal_> hmm, i got something weird. only opengl within a window (on kde) gives me acceptible performace(35fps). full screen wont work well. (3 fps.)
[05:00] <Tm_T> oniryx: ok
[05:00] <_Church_of_FoamY> well that sucks
[05:01] <Tm_T> oniryx: no it doesn't appear anymore
[05:01] <Tm_T> oniryx: it's feature
[05:01] <Tm_T> I think
[05:03] <oniryx> Tm_T: dont think so, as there's a tick box under : Show window list while switching windows
[05:03] <Tm_T> aah
[05:03] <Tm_T> oniryx: then it's propably bug
[05:04] <oniryx> WoW that's cool : Help >> Report bug !!
[05:04] <Tm_T> yeah
[05:04] <oniryx> funky feature  !
[05:04] <Tm_T> oniryx: but what then if there's a bug ;)
[05:05] <oniryx> Tm_T: what do you mean ?
[05:05] <_Church_of_FoamY> hey TM_T it gives me an error when i try to compile it
[05:05] <_Church_of_FoamY> it tells me x is very much needed
[05:06] <_Church_of_FoamY> i thought i had x?/
[05:07] <mrmanic> do you have the x development libraries?
[05:08] <_Church_of_FoamY> i don't know
[05:08] <_Church_of_FoamY> :(
[05:09] <mrmanic> you probably need them for compiling stuff
[05:09] <mrmanic> I don't know what the package name is, though.
[05:09] <Riddell> \sh: if you want to join the gcc4 recompilation marathon you'd be most welcome
[05:10] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh ok i don't either :p
[05:11] <_Church_of_FoamY> um i think i did something wrong :(
[05:12] <Tm_T> heh
[05:12] <_Church_of_FoamY> i downloaded something called x window system
[05:12] <Tm_T> oniryx: I mean if that bug report thing have bug, how you report a bug? ;--P
[05:12] <_Church_of_FoamY> thinking it was for well torismo
[05:13] <oniryx> Tm_T: eheh
[05:13] <_Church_of_FoamY> thought thats what it needed when it said it needed x
[05:13] <oniryx> Tm_T: seem that you were right, it's not possible to have window list with 'focus under mouse'
[05:13] <Tm_T> ok
[05:15] <_Church_of_FoamY> where is sources.list located?
[05:16] <Tm_T>  /etc/apt/
[05:16] <_Church_of_FoamY> thanx
[05:17] <oniryx> Tm_TK: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48172
[05:17] <Tm_T> oniryx: oh :o
[05:18] <Tm_T> yeah, I thought so
[05:18] <oniryx> Tm_T: can you explain why "focus (strictly) under mouse" cannot have the window list ? I dont get it
[05:19] <Sho|efh> Hi guys. Say, how robust is Kubuntu/PPC for G4 PowerBooks? Can I recommend it?
[05:20] <Tm_T> oniryx: because you anyway select it with cursor, so there's no point to show window list
[05:22] <_Church_of_FoamY> do i need to worry about installing that x window system?
[05:35] <mrmanic> is it normal for xorg to take up 130 megs of memory?
[05:35] <dreumah> my k3b is not letting me write dvds opc failed... and my synaptics wont recognize my install cd
[05:39] <monchy> good question mrmanic, i've been wanting to know that as well
[05:40] <oniryx> Tm_T: I see your point but disagree, Choosing Focus under mouse, and Cycling through windows on all desktop (I have 4 of them) displaying the list has a purpose,no?
[05:40] <Tm_T> oniryx: hmm, maybe
[05:47] <Sho|efh> anyone have any experience with kubuntu on g4 powerbooks?
[05:48] <oniryx> Tm_T: do you know where I can ask to the people involved with this development 'kwinoption' ?
[05:48] <Tm_T> oniryx: #kde-dev ?
[05:49] <oniryx> Tm_T: doh! thx
[05:53] <monchy> Tm_T: any reason why xorg uses up so much memory?
[05:53] <Tm_T> monchy: says who?
[05:54] <monchy> says me, it's currently using 167,363 of mine :\
[05:54] <Tm_T> monchy: I bet it's total use of all x related stuff running
[05:54] <monchy> oh ok, that would make sense :)
[05:54] <Tm_T> yeah
[05:55] <monchy> oh one more thing ;p
[05:55] <Tm_T> monchy: you used top? yeah, it shows its own way, don't rely on it
[05:56] <monchy> ah ok, good to know, thanks :)
[05:57] <dreumah> my k3b is not letting me write dvds opc failed... and my synaptics wont recognize my install cd
[05:58] <Tm_T> dreumah: sounds like you have problem with your drive
[06:00] <dreumah> what do i do?
[06:03] <Tm_T> find the source of the trouble and fix it ;)
[06:03] <dreumah> i see, and how would i do that?
[06:04] <monchy> too bad you can't dual-boot to windows and see if you can write dvd's there
[06:04] <Tm_T> you have another cd drive?
[06:12] <Tm_T> hullo liz4rd 
[06:14] <dreumah> nah i dont
[06:15] <dreumah> i am on a laptop
[06:22] <error403> hmm
[06:23] <error403> does anybody know how to turn off the touchpad driver for Kubuntu, when using a laptop?
[06:23] <error403> because i am getting erroneous inputs
[06:26] <dreumah> uninstall synaptics
[06:40] <error403> dreumah, how do i do that?
[06:40] <error403> apt-get?
[06:46] <_Church_of_FoamY> k3b is so awsome ^_^
[06:46] <_Church_of_FoamY> i think it's easyer to use than roxio or nero
[06:52] <zAo^> _Church_of_FoamY, [itty that it doenst burn MP3 out-of-the box on Kubuntu..
[06:53] <_Church_of_FoamY> that sucks stupid protected format
[06:53] <zAo^> yeah..
[06:55] <_Church_of_FoamY> so what type of plugin do i need to burn mp3's to cd?
[07:02] <guigui> hi, I just wanted to thank you, all the guys who built kubuntu. Thanks :)
[07:03] <abisen> which package contains htsearch executable it's not in htdig ??
[07:06] <abisen> i am trying to setup kdevelop and it's documentation indexing ... but it requires htsearch
[07:06] <_Church_of_FoamY> whats the best PCI vid card for kubuntu?
[07:07] <abisen> PCI or PCIe
[07:07] <_Church_of_FoamY> PCI
[07:07] <abisen> for PCIe go with ATI X600 All in Wonder Pro it's awesome
[07:07] <_Church_of_FoamY> i don't have an agp slot :(
[07:07] <abisen> PCI .. lookout for something like nvidia Riva TNT2 they were good
[07:08] <_Church_of_FoamY> ok that works
[07:09] <KaiL> there are some nVidia FX5200 for PCI
[07:12] <_Church_of_FoamY> i seen one of those cards on ebay
[07:12] <_Church_of_FoamY> for like 15 us
[07:13] <Slackman> hi having some trouble with ubuntu with kde http://pastebin.com/296580
[07:13] <Slackman> was wondering if i could get some assistance
[07:14] <Slackman> basically there seems to be a problem with my apt-cache or something.
[07:14] <Slackman> the pastebin entry is the error messages and what i've done to try and fix it to no avail
[07:16] <Tm_T> oh FUCK!
[07:16] <Tm_T> again, I lost my KDED
[07:16] <_Church_of_FoamY> ouch
[07:16] <_Church_of_FoamY> >.<
[07:16] <Tm_T> nouuu ht
[07:16] <Tm_T> =)
[07:16] <Tm_T> so I don't test kopete, I don't need it anyway =)
[07:16] <_Church_of_FoamY> lol
[07:17] <_Church_of_FoamY> i found a new messenger
[07:17] <_Church_of_FoamY> called sim
[07:17] <_Church_of_FoamY> i think it's neat
[07:20] <Slackman> erm, which sources are you guys using ?
[07:21] <slicslak> what is the latest kernel source w/ ubuntu patches? 
[07:22] <philipacamaniac> Slackman: add this source: deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main
[07:22] <philipacamaniac> it has the fixed kdelibs package
[07:22] <Slackman> philipacamaniac, instead of my other source? or as well
[07:23] <philipacamaniac> as well
[07:23] <Slackman> ok, thanks. 
[07:23] <Slackman> this is an Ubuntu machine made into a kubuntu machine :)
[07:23] <philipacamaniac> cool
[07:23] <slicslak> oh is that what you meant.  i'm upgrading my kernel right now.   lol
[07:26] <Slackman> philipacamaniac, Err http://kubuntu.org hoary-updates/main Packages
[07:26] <Slackman>   404 Not Found
[07:26] <philipacamaniac> no /
[07:26] <monchy> it works
[07:26] <philipacamaniac> hoary-updates main
[07:27] <monchy> just used it
[07:27] <monchy> oh cool theres a lavalamp screensaver
[07:27] <Slackman> erm...in my sources it doesn't have the / though...this is odd
[07:27] <philipacamaniac> let me try it
[07:28] <Slackman> hmm i think i have some extra crap at the top...can some one post the first line of their sources list
[07:28] <philipacamaniac> worked like a charm...
[07:29] <Slackman> yeh i think there is something in my sources..i have this at the top
[07:29] <Slackman> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Preview powerpc Binary-1 (20050310)] / hoary main restricted
[07:30] <philipacamaniac> well, hmm... you're on PPC
[07:30] <philipacamaniac> that doesn't solve the 404, but the kdelibs don't have an updated package on PPC
[07:30] <philipacamaniac> I think
[07:30] <philipacamaniac> visit http://kubuntu.org/dists/hoary-updates/main/ in your web browser
[07:31] <Slackman> yeh that worked ok in Firefox
[07:31] <philipacamaniac> note the absence of a ppc directory
[07:32] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: amu: are there kdelibs 3.4 updates for ppc architecture?
[07:34] <Slackman> philipacamaniac, ok i copy and pasted your link above, added it to the end of my sources list but i still get a 404...
[07:34] <Slackman> Ign http://kubuntu.org hoary-updates/main Packages
[07:34] <Slackman> Err http://kubuntu.org hoary-updates/main Packages
[07:34] <Slackman>   404 Not Found
[07:34] <philipacamaniac> can you pastebin your sources.list ?
[07:36] <Slackman> yeh brb
[07:36] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: yes, hang on
[07:37] <Slackman> http://pastebin.com/296599
[07:39] <philipacamaniac> Slackman: here is mine http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/5Rf6ak96.html
[07:41] <philipacamaniac> slackman: I'm not seeing a problem with your sources
[07:42] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/ppc/frode.kde.no/hoary-updates/ppc/kde341 ./
[07:42] <Slackman> philipacamaniac, well i guess thats a good thing, i'm not going nuts
[07:42] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: thanks!
[07:43] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: actually, those are 3.4.1, you don't happen to have 3.4 ?
[07:43] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: 3.4 is in hoary
[07:44] <Riddell> 3.4.1 contains all the updates
[07:44] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: but wasn't there an fixed kdelibs package?
[07:44] <Slackman> philipacamaniac, maybe my nameservers are just fscked
[07:45] <philipacamaniac> Slackman: if you feel like upgrading to KDE 3.4.1 (I'm using it!) then use the link Riddell pasted
[07:46] <philipacamaniac> Slackman: 3.4.1 shouldn't have any installation issues (at least it didn't on x86)
[07:47] <Slackman> ok thanks
[07:47] <Slackman> just download the packages, or use apt?
[07:48] <philipacamaniac> you can/should use apt
[07:52] <philipacamaniac> has anyone got a fix for gmail/konqueror, or is that a hopeless cause?
[07:53] <Slackman> philipacamaniac, i've added the source, run apt-get update and it seems to have worked
[07:53] <Slackman> philipacamaniac, what do i type next?
[07:54] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: what's the problem?
[07:55] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: regarding gmail, or regarding kdelibs?
[07:55] <philipacamaniac> Slackman: if you haven't already, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:56] <philipacamaniac> Slackman: if you have KDE, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (and take a coffee break)
[07:57] <Slackman> damn i still get The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:57] <Slackman>   kdelibs: Depends: kdelibs-data (>= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.2) but 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1 is installed
[07:57] <Slackman> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[07:57] <Slackman> even with dist upgrade
[07:58] <theD3viL> How to set up my KDE to iso-8859-2 fonts? .. or win-1250 ? =/
[07:58] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: gmail
[07:59] <Riddell> theD3viL: dpkg-reconfigure locale
[07:59] <bigbill52a> anyone else experiencing xserver crashes with kde...it crashes completely..leaving a screen filled with blinking gray boxes..no keyboard, no mouse...but other programs still work in background..and you can restart the puter by pressing the on/off switch once
[07:59] <philipacamaniac> Slackman: sudo apt-get -f install
[07:59] <Riddell> Slackman: try explicitly installing kdelibs-data
[08:00] <bigbill52a> ctrl-alt-backspace does not work...nor does any other key combination...
[08:00] <philipacamaniac> RIddell: gmail's full interface (heavy javascript, I assume) doesn't work... Gmail claims "For a better browsing experience, use a fully supported browser"... I'm forced to use Basic HTML mode
[08:01] <philipacamaniac> bigbill52a: if keyboard locks, then it is probably a problem with x (which usually tends to be driver issues)
[08:02] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: the Contact autocomplete in the To: and Cc: fields doesn't work in Basic HTML mode
[08:02] <bigbill52a> it fails whether or not fglrx is installed and does not seem to affect gnome or xfce..unless i am using a kde program 
[08:03] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: try chaning the agent to Safari
[08:03] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: good idea, I'll try that...
[08:03] <bigbill52a> the on/off switch still works...so you do not have force a restart
[08:04] <bigbill52a> and music plays in the background...lol
[08:05] <bigbill52a> i have reinstalled ubuntu..with no kde files and the desktop is stable
[08:05] <bigbill52a> same with xfce
[08:05] <bigbill52a> so i am pretty sure the crashes are related to kde
[08:06] <bigbill52a> but i like kde...so i have to wait till i find a solution..unless i want a lot of xserver crashes
[08:07] <bigbill52a> is it just me or anyone else experiencing this?
[08:08] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: Okay, login worked and put me in standard "full" Gmail, but no links worked... I'll try some other UA's
[08:08] <bigbill52a> even burning cds continue until they pop out completed...so it doesnt crash the kernel
[08:10] <theD3viL> Riddell,  locale isnt installed ? /=
[08:10] <bobbyd> bigbill52a: can you ssh to it when it's crashed?
[08:11] <bigbill52a> how do you do that?
[08:12] <bigbill52a> you cant use the keyboard at all
[08:12] <bigbill52a> ctrl-alt-f1 etc
[08:12] <philipacamaniac> bigbill52a: he means use another computer and remotely login, using ssh
[08:13] <bigbill52a> i dont have that capability..but i would think that you could..since the kernal is still operating
[08:13] <bigbill52a> no other computer
[08:15] <bigbill52a> it is not a hard crash..just an xserver crash..since you can halt the system with a press of the on/off switch
[08:15] <bigbill52a> it takes about 20-30 seconds for the computer to shut down once you press it
[08:15] <philipacamaniac> bigbill52a: have you searched the forums, http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[08:16] <bigbill52a> i have this thread on there as well
[08:16] <philipacamaniac> nice...
[08:16] <bigbill52a> at first didnt know the cause...kde...bu i have figured that it must me a kde file causing the crashes
[08:17] <bigbill52a> since i have a stable system without any kde
[08:17] <philipacamaniac> with kde still installed, are you able to use gnome and/or xfce?
[08:18] <bigbill52a> yes..but if you use a kde program or the windows manager...eventually the xserver will crash
[08:18] <bigbill52a> kde windows manager
[08:18] <philipacamaniac> so, if you run k3b or konqueror under gnome, eventually x will crash?
[08:19] <bigbill52a> if you use even one program...crash probability rises rapidly
[08:19] <bigbill52a> yes
[08:19] <bigbill52a> or even any other kde program
[08:19] <bigbill52a> i like some of the games...lol
[08:19] <philipacamaniac> hmm...
[08:19] <stijn> test
[08:20] <stijn> just installed kubuntu, running it for 2 minutes, looks fine :)
[08:20] <philipacamaniac> stijn: that's excellent
[08:20] <philipacamaniac> another convert...
[08:20] <bigbill52a> my sources.list is the one from the unofficial guide
[08:21] <stijn> even my wireless card is working! that really suprised me, I prefer this distro over arch L.
[08:21] <bigbill52a> brb
[08:23] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: Gmail standard is a no go, but I think it is more the fault of Gmail than Konqui. Apparently, when they detect an IE6 user agent, they use ActiveX! Perhaps they need to work on the settings for the Konqueror User-Agent. Still, I will search bugs.kde.org for anything related
[08:25] <bigbill52a> i am back...
[08:26] <philipacamaniac> bigbill52a: you should leave unofficial sources commented-out... also, have you upgraded to KDE 3.4.1
[08:26] <bigbill52a> no kde at present
[08:28] <philipacamaniac> when you were experiencing this problem, was it KDE 3.4 or 3.4.1
[08:28] <bigbill52a> not sure...i think that i was completely upgraded though
[08:28] <bigbill52a> do you mean the backports?
[08:29] <bigbill52a> for commenting out?
[08:29] <bigbill52a> i did the kubuntu thing
[08:29] <theD3viL> Is konqueror good for browsing?
[08:30] <philipacamaniac> bigbill: You can keep backports, but it isn't supported... did you add deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main
[08:31] <philipacamaniac> theD3vil: I like it, it seems about as fast as Firefox, and it is integrated into the system (bookmarks, KDE wallet, dialogues, etc.)
[08:31] <bigbill52a> just cut and pasted it into my sources.list
[08:31] <bigbill52a> right now
[08:31] <philipacamaniac> theD3vil: however, there are some important sites that don't work yet, such as full Gmail
[08:32] <bigbill52a> anything else that i should add
[08:32] <theD3viL> philipacamaniac, yes... i see
[08:32] <magnuson> anyone run kubuntu live?
[08:32] <yourghetek> need a hint here... its sudo (duh...) dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[08:32] <theD3viL> philipacamaniac, what about spams?
[08:33] <philipacamaniac> bigbill52a: no, you should apt-get update && apt-get install kubuntu-desktop && apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:33] <bigbill52a> let me try it...thanks for the tip
[08:33] <philipacamaniac> theD3vil: what do you mean spams?
[08:33] <yourghetek> no thats not it...
[08:34] <yourghetek> anybody remember the xserver reconfigure line?
[08:34] <theD3viL> philipacamaniac, hm... windows are opening.. - spams ;) ..
[08:35] <theD3viL> sry my english bad very =] 
[08:35] <philipacamaniac> theD3vil: no prob, those are called "pop-up windows"
[08:35] <theD3viL> yes..
[08:35] <theD3viL> no problems with pop-up windows??
[08:35] <theD3viL> nice..
[08:37] <bigbill52a> it is doing its thing
[08:37] <bigbill52a> i will see if i have crashes..at least i know where they are coming from
[08:38] <bigbill52a> i dont think that i had that entry for my sources list before
[08:41] <bigbill52a> is there a way to use xwindows on computers with 64 megs of ram...?
[08:41] <yourghetek> oops
[08:42] <bigbill52a> live cd that is
[08:42] <yourghetek> i thought server isntalls had kde...
[08:42] <yourghetek> what packages do i need from a server install just to get into kde?
[08:42] <philipacamaniac> yourghetek: server installation means just the barebones, no x windows
[08:42] <philipacamaniac> yourghetek: kubuntu-desktop
[08:43] <uniq> yourghetek: arts, kdelibs, kdebase and X i guess. (with all their depends).
[08:43] <philipacamaniac> bigbill52a: for any live cd, since everything is loaded into ram, you really should have 256MB or more...
[08:43] <yourghetek> yeah i wanna make this a very slim install
[08:43] <yourghetek> ok
[08:44] <yourghetek> doing kubuntu-desktop
[08:44] <bigbill52a> works fine with 128...but 64 just hangs..but i was wondering if there was a swap setting i could use..on those computers..use the system rescue cd rather than live cd...and do all my stuff from the command line....
[08:45] <bigbill52a> (transferring personal files to safe location on dead windows machines..lol)
[08:49] <_ryan> ....hi
[08:50] <yourghetek> no ryan... no
[08:50] <yourghetek> no hal0... no
[08:51] <hal0> =o
[08:51] <yourghetek> 0_o
[08:51] <hal0> what if i said please?
[08:51] <yourghetek> then ok
[08:52] <hal0> i need help getting the TV out to work with my nvidia GF3
[08:52] <bigbill52a> will report back if konqueror causes crash
[08:53] <philipacamaniac> bigbill: sounds goof
[08:53] <philipacamaniac> *good
[08:54] <bigbill52a> because gnome has been stable since installl.so it would have to be the kde programs
[08:55] <yourghetek> i do the server install and kubuntu-desktop b/c i want a slim installation and now i see it downloading and installing openoffice?! rubbish!
[08:56] <hal0> is there something i can do to switch from TV, to monitor, and back?  like an nividia control panel or some BS?
[08:57] <philipacamaniac> yourghetek: kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage... if you want a slim KDE install, erm... goodluck... you can always easily remove anything once it is finished
[08:57] <yourghetek> haha erm... *giggling* good luck...
[08:57] <yourghetek> is it harder than i anticipated?
[08:58] <hal0> KDE isnt really meant to be *slim* I think.
[08:58] <yourghetek> mmm
[08:58] <philipacamaniac> yourghetek: just start apt-get removing stuff once the install is done
[08:58] <yourghetek> yeah
[08:59] <yourghetek> i guess i will do it that way
[08:59] <yourghetek> windows 2000, windows xp, kubuntu sharing a single 10gb hd.. ouch
[08:59] <hal0> ouch indeed.
[08:59] <yourghetek> not my system, its for a friend
[09:00] <philipacamaniac> I would donate gigs to you if I could
[09:00] <philipacamaniac> why W2K?
[09:00] <yourghetek> very stable
[09:01] <philipacamaniac> so is WinXP pro, IMHO... and remember that W2K is losing support this year
[09:01] <_Church_of_Foamy> YAY i fixed my video card ^_^
[09:01] <philipacamaniac> and besides, you should strip down Windoze, not Kubuntu  :)
[09:02] <hal0> agreed. :)
[09:02] <Church_of_Foamy> had to solder a new gpu in to it but it works ^_^
[09:02] <yourghetek> xp for adobe premiere pro
[09:02] <philipacamaniac> Foamy: ???!!!????!!!!
[09:03] <Church_of_Foamy> ?
[09:03] <philipacamaniac> you soldered a gpu to a card and it worked?
[09:03] <Church_of_Foamy> yup ^_^
[09:03] <philipacamaniac> I have very bad luck with soldering irons and computers
[09:04] <Church_of_Foamy> where is fstab found?
[09:04] <Church_of_Foamy> i have to put my storage drive into it so it'll mount
[09:04] <philipacamaniac> "/etc/fstab"
[09:04] <Church_of_Foamy> yea i have a habbit of stripping chips from old hardware
[09:05] <Church_of_Foamy> whats the editor in kubuntu?
[09:05] <philipacamaniac> kate, kwrite or kedit
[09:05] <Church_of_Foamy> for editing fstab?
[09:05] <hal0> Kate
[09:05] <Church_of_Foamy> ok
[09:07] <Church_of_Foamy> how do i edit my fstab on a new install of kubuntu?
[09:07] <Church_of_Foamy> it's giving me a weard error
[09:07] <philipacamaniac> kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[09:09] <yourghetek> in knome? sudo nano /etc/fstab
[09:10] <hal0> If I installed stuff from Synaptic, how do I find out how to access it?  -  In this case, I installed nvidia card stuff, and when I do a search, it gives me 2 folders, neither of which I know what to do with.
[09:10] <yourghetek> just add em to your menu
[09:11] <hal0> What do I add?  the folders?
[09:11] <yourghetek> go to konqueror
[09:11] <hal0> kay..
[09:11] <philipacamaniac> when you install programs, they are automagically added to your menu
[09:11] <yourghetek> click on applications
[09:12] <yourghetek> and there is a list of your applications
[09:12] <yourghetek> philipacamaniac im not sure if all the nvidia stuff goes in the menus
[09:12] <hal0> it gives me sub folders, and i dunno where it put it :-\
[09:13] <yourghetek> try and run them from konsole
[09:13] <hal0> run what?  i've got 2 nvidia folders with nothing that I recognize in either of them
[09:14] <yourghetek> :-/
[09:14] <yourghetek> not sure what you did
[09:14] <hal0> usr/X11R5/lib/nvidia has 2 AR Archives.
[09:15] <hal0> and usr/lib/nvidia has tls_test, which is an executable, and 2 shared library files
[09:15] <yourghetek> mmm
[09:16] <yourghetek> im on a fx500
[09:16] <yourghetek> and all my utils are in my menu
[09:16] <buz> stupid bloody athlon64 fried already
[09:16] <yourghetek> really? wow
[09:16] <hal0> under what submenu ?
[09:16] <hal0> utilities?
[09:16] <buz> lived for less than one month
[09:17] <buz> and i actually undervolted the thing
[09:17] <buz> HTF it could go bad I can't figure out
[09:17] <Church_of_Foamy> ok i have a question
[09:18] <Church_of_Foamy> how do i put my sotrage driver in fstab
[09:18] <monchy> that sucks buz, sorry to hear
[09:18] <Church_of_Foamy> storage drive i mean
[09:18] <buz> mhh i guess its the cpu anyway
[09:18] <hal0> you dont put the driver in fstab - you tell it where to look/mount the drive in fstab I think.
[09:18] <Church_of_Foamy> it is hooked up to the secondary ide channell has a slave
[09:18] <buz> asus' weird post speeking (actually has the bios TALK to you) feature says so at least
[09:18] <buz> screen doesnt show anything anymore
[09:18] <Church_of_Foamy> yes but i don't know where
[09:19] <Church_of_Foamy> i have fstab open i just don't know how to put the info in
[09:19] <Church_of_Foamy> i think it's called hdd
[09:19] <monchy> wasn't the FX-55 i hope lol
[09:19] <Church_of_Foamy> but i'm not shure :(
[09:20] <philipacamaniac> Foamy: how many partitions on it, and what filesystem is it using?
[09:20] <yourghetek> whoa... buz, your mobo talks?
[09:20] <buz> yeah
[09:20] <Church_of_Foamy> one partition and it's ext3
[09:20] <buz> i thought it was completely useless but alas its not
[09:20] <oniryx> anybody using a DELL LATITUDE C400 ??
[09:21] <buz> nah was a less than one month old 3000+
[09:21] <buz> still sucks
[09:21] <buz> rma is a pain 
[09:21] <yourghetek> your right
[09:21] <yourghetek> forget rma and give me that mobo
[09:21] <buz> na 
[09:21] <yourghetek> haha
[09:21] <Church_of_Foamy> one partition and it's ext3
[09:21] <buz> i think most new asus boards do that
[09:21] <buz> actually
[09:21] <buz> friend of mines even complained when he didnt stick the agp card in right away
[09:22] <philipacamaniac> Foamy: /dev/hdd0 /mnt/somefoldername ext3 defaults 0 0
[09:22] <philipacamaniac> but you'll need to mkdir /mnt/somefoldername
[09:22] <philipacamaniac> sorry did I say hdd0, I think I meant hdd1
[09:23] <Church_of_Foamy> yea it called storage
[09:23] <Church_of_Foamy> so /mnt/storage?
[09:23] <philipacamaniac> yup
[09:23] <Church_of_Foamy> ok
[09:24] <Church_of_Foamy> ok
[09:25] <philipacamaniac> ? ok?
[09:25] <yourghetek> ok
[09:25] <philipacamaniac> I guess he rebooted
[09:30] <monchy> oh dear god pauly shore
[09:34] <_Church_of_Foamy> it says the mount point dosent exist
[09:34] <_Church_of_Foamy> :(
[09:35] <philipacamaniac> okay so, /dev/hdd1 isn't it
[09:35] <_Church_of_Foamy> heres my fstab  http://pastebin.com/296691
[09:36] <_Church_of_Foamy> i thought it was
[09:36] <_Church_of_Foamy> it's a slave to my cdrom on the secondary ide channel
[09:37] <_Church_of_Foamy> i shoulda backed up my fstab
[09:37] <_Church_of_Foamy> >.<
[09:37] <_Church_of_Foamy> any ideas?
[09:39] <dreumah> ok i am trying to burn dvds but its not working, it keeps telling me there is an OPC error
[09:39] <philipacamaniac> Foamy: hold a sec
[09:43] <philipacamaniac> _Church_of_Foamy: did you create the /mnt/storage directory?
[09:43] <philipacamaniac> you have to sudo mkdir /mnt/storage
[09:54] <philipacamaniac> brb
[09:57] <Slackman> philipacamaniac, sorry to bug you again..i'm pretty stuck..i can't remove kde, i can't upgrade , forcefully or otherwise 
[09:57] <Slackman> all i get is
[09:57] <Slackman> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary1_all.deb (--unpack):
[09:57] <Slackman>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[10:00] <uniq> slackman: make sure you've enabled hoary-updates.
[10:10] <philipacamaniac> Slackman: try sudo apt-get remove knetworkconf
[10:11] <Slackman> philipacamaniac, The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:11] <Slackman>   kdelibs: Depends: kdelibs-data (>= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.2) but 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1 is to be installed
[10:12] <Slackman> thats when i sudo apt-get remove knetworkconf
[10:12] <Slackman> should i try with dpkg?
[10:13] <philipacamaniac> maybe try sudo apt-get remove kdelibs-data kdelibs
[10:14] <uniq> no no no.
[10:14] <philipacamaniac> ?
[10:14] <Slackman> same deal sorry
[10:14] <uniq> just install the newest knetworkconf from hoary-updates
[10:14] <philipacamaniac> that's what I told him to do... but it apparently didn't work
[10:14] <Slackman> nah i get the same thing when ever i try and use apt
[10:15] <Slackman> remove, upgrade, install...all the same error
[10:15] <uniq> slackman: what does 'apt-cache policy knetworkconf' say? 
[10:15] <Slackman> erm...there is a few lines i'll paste bin
[10:15] <uniq> the new knetworkconf should be in hoary-updates.. 
[10:17] <Slackman> http://pastebin.com/296707
[10:18] <uniq> ok.. then it's just in breezy and on kubuntu.org
[10:18] <philipacamaniac> Slackman: can you post your sources.list one more time
[10:18] <Slackman> yeh np,
[10:20] <uniq> add 'deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main' to it
[10:21] <Slackman> uniq, i'm on PPC. i think we tried this earlier with philipacamaniac 
[10:21] <Slackman> erm..pastebin is being a bit slow..gotta find another bin
[10:22] <philipacamaniac> google nopaste
[10:22] <uniq> ok..no problem i'm on ppc too.. i could give you a package.
[10:22] <uniq> http://frode.kde.no/hoary-updates/ppc/knetworkconf/
[10:22] <Slackman> http://pastebin.ca/13685
[10:23] <uniq> download the .deb and dpkg -i <package>
[10:23] <philipacamaniac> aha! uniq, that's what I was trying to find before
[10:23] <uniq> http://frode.kde.no/hoary-updates/ppc/ 
[10:24] <Slackman> ok i'll try that thanks.... dpkg -i or update?
[10:24] <uniq> for most of my ppc stuff.. not apt-getable. to make people use the official repos.
[10:24] <uniq> slackman: dpkg -i
[10:24] <Slackman> ok :)
[10:25] <uniq> and then you can finish all the other stuff with apt-get -u dist-upgrade or something.
[10:25] <Slackman> erm... dep problems libstdc++6
[10:26] <Slackman> and kdelibs4c2 etc..
[10:26] <uniq> ook. that's for breezy then.. give me a few min.
[10:27] <Slackman> k. i'm really sorry guys. i'm not sure how i managed to get this borked
[10:27] <uniq> it's not your fault.. it's a bug.
[10:27] <Slackman> uniq,heh..no one else seems to have the bug :)
[10:28] <uniq> then they use kubuntu.org sources i guess.. and it's only missing ppc support. i'll poke someone to get that fixed.
[10:29] <Slackman> ok thanks alot uniq and philipacamaniac 
[10:30] <uniq> package building just han on a few more minutes.
[10:32] <Slackman> k, np
[10:32] <Slackman> i am here for a while if you are..no rush
[10:33] <othernoob> how do i burn a bin and cue in k3b ?
[10:41] <_Church_of_Foamy> something happend to my storage media
[10:41] <_Church_of_Foamy> i can't find any of my hard drives :(
[10:44] <_Church_of_Foamy> nevermind
[10:44] <_Church_of_Foamy> i fixed it ^_^
[10:46] <monchy> ooo san andreas is out now
[10:48] <othernoob> churchy, any news ?
[10:50] <_Church_of_Foamy> in kynaptic what does "upgrade all pacages" maean/do?
[10:51] <othernoob> it upgrades all packages ?
[10:51] <_Church_of_Foamy> oh ok
[10:52] <Slackman> uniq, thank you. Its now letting me upgrade to 3.4.1 i think...it seems to be working anyway.
[10:52] <_Church_of_Foamy> um how to get synaptic to run with kubuntu?
[10:52] <Slackman> uniq, i really appreciate your help
[10:52] <_Church_of_Foamy> i installed from the kubuntu cd 
[10:53] <_Church_of_Foamy> i don't like kynaptic it dosent give you the program definitions
[10:53] <uniq> slackman:great I haven't even uploaded the new .deb yetit's on it 's way now.. you can find it at http://frode.kde.no/hoary-updates/ppc/knetworkconf  now.
[10:53] <uniq> it's just been replaced.
[10:55] <laser_tk> anybody know how this tooltip can disable??
[10:55] <laser_tk> http://koti.mbnet.fi/laser_tk/kde.jpg
[10:57] <heidi> ehhh... 
[10:58] <heidi> Is this a channel thing? 
[10:58] <laser_tk> jes
[10:59] <heidi> ahh I just install this thing, and I just dont get any Idea how to browse at the internet.. .:S
[10:59] <heidi> got any clues?
[10:59] <laser_tk> ??
[10:59] <mats> open a browser?
[11:00] <heidi> yehhh ... 
[11:00] <opi> Konqueror?
[11:00] <monchy> firefox, opera, etc etc etc
[11:00] <opi> try third icon on the doc
[11:00] <heidi> jeh... how does it work?
[11:01] <opi> you click it
[11:01] <mats> heidi: bare skriv i den. www.dagbladet.no f.eks ;) (sorry for norwegian :) )
[11:01] <uniq> laser_tk: right click on the panel -> configuer panel -> the tab at the right. (can't figure out the english translation right now) -> zoom icons on mouse over, or something like that.
[11:01] <dreumah> have you used the internet before?
[11:01] <opi> the window popup, you enter URL into URL-box and off you go
[11:01] <uniq> more norwegians :] 
[11:02] <mats> uniq: :-) hello
[11:02] <uniq> hi.
[11:03] <opi> maybe Kubuntu means in Norwegian: FreeLoveFromTheComputer? ;D
[11:03] <gravis> n8 all
[11:03] <mats> opi: haha - you made a funney ;)
[11:03] <laser_tk> uniq: Enable icon mouseover effects.. yup, that's it
[11:03] <laser_tk> uniq: thanks
[11:04] <uniq> no problem :)
[11:05] <laser_tk> i have been search that thing always on taskbar options
[11:06] <_Church_of_Foamy> anyone know how to get synaptic in kubuntu?
[11:06] <Riddell> _Church_of_Foamy: use kynaptic to install it
[11:06] <opi> apt-get install synaptic?
[11:06] <opi> or get KPackage ;)
[11:06] <_Church_of_Foamy> it dosen't give you the file discription
[11:07] <_Church_of_Foamy> i can't belve that kde is quicker on my system than gnome
[11:08] <_Church_of_Foamy> O_o
[11:08] <opi> it is
[11:08] <_Church_of_Foamy> yea
[11:08] <opi> I'm running Kubuntu on P2/400 and it's working fine
[11:08] <opi> you would rather not see Gnome here
[11:08] <_Church_of_Foamy> i had ubuntu installed with KDE and it was kinda doggy
[11:08] <_Church_of_Foamy> so i downloaded the kubuntu iso and installed and it runs peachy now ^_^
[11:09] <opi> instead of Synaptic, try to use KPackage
[11:09] <opi> at least it's QT based, so you will not get all the GTK stuff for now :-P
[11:09] <_Church_of_Foamy> i looked for it in my kbar but i don't ahve it :(
[11:10] <opi> apt-get into it :P
[11:10] <opi> I have it, but I can renember if I apt-get it
[11:11] <opi> it's in System here
[11:11] <_Church_of_Foamy> i have kynaptic
[11:12] <opi> then get it from Kynaptic :)
[11:12] <_Church_of_Foamy> the only reason i don't like kynaptic is it dosen't tell you what the file is
[11:13] <opi> just try it
[11:13] <casper> Hey could anybody help me? I've got a problem with JuK (and amarok for that matter). At the start of each track theres a small "skit" and the lengths of the songs are not correct
[11:14] <opi> casper: turn off the fade out/cross over effect maybe?
[11:14] <casper> nah it's not that, tried that already
[11:14] <casper> tried playing with the sound settings in the control center too
[11:14] <_Church_of_Foamy> how can i get the binary clock for kubuntu?
[11:15] <opi> right on the panel, get the clock applet
[11:15] <opi> right on the applet, set it up :P
[11:16] <casper> anybody?
[11:16] <_Church_of_Foamy> nope it's not there
[11:16] <uniq> casper: which engine do you use in amarok? 
[11:16] <_Church_of_Foamy> the normal clock is but the binary isen't
[11:16] <opi> ah
[11:16] <opi> binary
[11:16] <opi> like 1/0
[11:16] <uniq> I use arts with no problems, I've heard others have to use xine-engine to have success.
[11:16] <opi> I don't think we have one :)
[11:17] <casper> uniq: none apparently
[11:18] <uniq> casper: try to install akode-mpeg and select the arts engine.
[11:19] <casper> from kynaptic?
[11:19] <uniq> yes, you can use kynaptic.
[11:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> yea
[11:20] <casper> it says i've got akode installed
[11:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> theres a binary clock that you can put in the kbar
[11:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> i had it when i had installed kubuntu with the kde
[11:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> ubuntu i mean
[11:20] <opi> _Church_of_Foamy: I'm not up-to-date with all the eyecandy :-)
[11:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> oh lol
[11:21] <_Church_of_Foamy> i like the amor applet
[11:21] <_Church_of_Foamy> kinda like having a virtual pet
[11:21] <_Church_of_Foamy> that ya don't have to feed ^_^
[11:21] <Kinpi> is there a seperate channel for the live version?
[11:21] <Dent> there's an amor applet?
[11:21] <Dent> heh
[11:22] <Latem> hmm I tried kubuntu live CD, and my fonts were huge
[11:22] <Dent> i saw that once
[11:22] <opi> Kinpi: haa
[11:22] <Latem> on 2 different comps
[11:22] <Dent> (amor), it was neat
[11:22] <opi> Latem: maybe it was a DPI problem?
[11:22] <Kinpi> opi> what? lol there could be
[11:22] <casper> how do i run akode?
[11:22] <Kinpi> i ask b/c i'm trying to burn a cd on my laptop, but burn it from the live cd
[11:23] <casper> uniq: how do i run akode?
[11:23] <Latem> how would i try and fix that with live CD, just to see if that is the problem?
[11:23] <Kinpi> anyone know if that's possible or how?
[11:23] <spiral> does anyone here know wether it should be possible to install konversation 0.18 under hoary via a .deb ?
[11:24] <motaboy> casper: akode is a multimedia library
[11:25] <othernoob> how many partitions does kubuntu create when you choose automatic partitioning during installation ?
[11:25] <opi> Kinpi: I haven't use Kubuntu-LiveCD, but I can advie you something
[11:25] <opi> othernoob: 3, IIRC 
[11:25] <opi>  /home /usr and /
[11:25] <othernoob> IIRC ?
[11:25] <opi> if I recall clearly
[11:25] <uniq> ccayou don't run it, it's loaded automagicaly :)
[11:25] <othernoob> and no /boot ?
[11:25] <othernoob> no /swap ?
[11:26] <opi> swap's not a partition in sens of user-data-storage
[11:26] <opi> that's why I didn't named it :P
[11:26] <othernoob> true..
[11:26] <othernoob> but /boot is one ;)
[11:26] <opi> ;)
[11:26] <opi> I don't renember then
[11:26] <casper> motaboy: you have any idea why i get skits in the start of every song in both amarok and JuK, and at the same time the song-length is wrong?
[11:27] <opi> Kinpi: you can try Slax live-cd, it's KDE based, too -- but you can call it with copy2ram kernel parametr and then you'll be able to switch CDs
[11:27] <motaboy> casper: with akode engine?
[11:27] <motaboy> casper: did you taked a look at bugs.kde.org or reported it?
[11:27] <casper> motaboy: in amarok i can only chose one: aRts
[11:27] <motaboy> casper: so it's not akode related
[11:28] <casper> motaboy: no idea
[11:28] <motaboy> casper: very probably it's an arts problem
[11:28] <motaboy> casper: you can try using gstreamer or akode engine
[11:29] <casper> motaboy: how do i get those?
[11:29] <Kinpi> thanks opi
[11:29] <motaboy> s/akode/xine
[11:29] <opi> Kinpi: http://slax.linux-live.org IIRC
[11:29] <motaboy> casper: apt-get install amarok-<TAB><TAB> (with bash completion)
[11:30] <Kinpi> opi> that's it, yep
[11:33] <_Church_of_Foamy> whats the command to find the dependancy for a program that faild to install?
[11:34] <uniq> apt-cache depends <package>
[11:35] <_Church_of_Foamy> doesen't work :(
[11:35] <_Church_of_Foamy> whats the dependancy for cedega?
[11:36] <uniq> heh.. good question I don't know.
[11:36] <_Church_of_Foamy> ok
[11:37] <casper> motaboy: reinstalled it, still no good
[11:38] <motaboy> casper: have you tried changing engine?
[11:38] <motaboy> casper: for example try the xine one
[11:38] <motaboy> casper: and also try disabling arts
[11:38] <casper> motaboy: i can only chose one in the menu
[11:38] <casper> motaboy: how do i disable arts?
[11:38] <motaboy> casper: in the control center
[11:39] <motaboy> casper: have you restarted amarok
[11:39] <motaboy> ?
[11:39] <casper> motaboy: yea
[11:39] <_Church_of_Foamy> i got ubuntu to run on a mac 5400/180 ^_^
[11:39] <motaboy> casper: fully restarted? the tray icon disappeared?
[11:39] <casper> motaboy: i cant find arts in the control center
[11:40] <casper> motaboy: yea
[11:40] <motaboy> casper: ps -ef | grep amarok is empty?
[11:40] <motaboy> casper: Sound e multimedia ->Sound System
[11:41] <opi> btw: what's a sound recorder in KDE?
[11:41] <casper> motaboy: what do you mean by emty?
[11:41] <casper> motaboy: can't find arts there....
[11:41] <motaboy> casper: no amarok processes (except grep) running
[11:41] <motaboy> casper: arts IS the sound system
[11:41] <casper> motaboy: heh, my bad
[11:42] <motaboy> casper: it's the both the soft mixing deamon and an API for programs
[11:43] <casper> motaboy: turned of the sound system, still no good
[11:43] <motaboy> casper: make some experiments, it can work well
[11:44] <casper> motaboy: could it be the mp3 decoder?
[11:45] <motaboy> casper: dunno, it depends on the engine you're using
[11:45] <motaboy> casper: just search the net, bugs.kde.org  or anything other. it can be everything and you have to nail it down