[03:33] <jsgotangco> morning
[04:09] <jsgotangco> people im cleaning up global.ent and standardizing on ubuntu.com instead of ubuntulinux.org whenever possible
[04:10] <jsgotangco> jiyuu0, do you have a gpg key?
[04:51] <jsgotangco> brb
[08:09] <jsgotangco> venda, hi
[08:30] <jsgotangco> oh well
[09:20] <jsgotangco> mdke, ping?
[10:10] <jsgotangco> mdke, we have a BIG problem
[10:11] <jsgotangco> W$%^$%@#
[11:42] <mdke> hi
[11:42] <mdke> jsgotangco, pong
[11:43] <mdke> yes we do
[12:00] <jsgotangco> we're screwed
[12:01] <jsgotangco> mdke, what you reckon we do for starters
[12:01] <mdke> jsgotangco, have you read the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy
[12:01] <mdke> don't panic
[12:02] <jsgotangco> im not
[12:02] <mdke> there are a few things we can do
[12:02] <jsgotangco> but we don't have plan b at the moment
[12:03] <mdke> we can talk to sabdfl or silbs maybe
[12:03] <mdke> and maybe I will ring froud later
[12:03] <jsgotangco> we can start on the cc meeting later
[12:03] <mdke> you mean in the meeting?
[12:03] <jsgotangco> well
[12:03] <jsgotangco> we we can't raise this stuff
[12:03] <jsgotangco> we have to have a meeting on our own
[12:04] <jsgotangco> we need jeffsh as well
[12:04] <jsgotangco> hmm
[12:04] <mdke> give it a bit of time
[12:04] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, what is the big issue?
[12:04] <mdke> we can organise a meeting 
[12:04] <mdke> Burgundavia, froud has quit again
[12:04] <Burgundavia> ah, I seee
[12:04] <jsgotangco> i think he's quitting for good
[12:05] <mdke> dunno
[12:05] <mdke> jsgotangco, these things can happen i guess
[12:05] <jsgotangco> it happens
[12:06] <jsgotangco> but we don't have plan B at the moment
[12:06] <mdke> no
[12:06] <mdke> and until canonical takes and interest in the docteam it will probably keep happening
[12:06] <Burgundavia> please read the last post on this page
[12:06] <Burgundavia> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3734&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15&sid=c52f2a1f8c4c40598f4557f5341e5a37
[12:06] <Burgundavia> it is quite relevant right now
[12:06] <mdke> ok
[12:06] <jsgotangco> hold on
[12:07] <mdke> Burgundavia, sure that's right
[12:07] <mdke> but it wasn't a lack of enthusiasm for the project in this case
[12:07] <jsgotangco> people come and go that's for sure
[12:07] <jsgotangco> right
[12:08] <jsgotangco> we can still continue with our roadmap though
[12:08] <jsgotangco> and deliver what we've been doing for now
[12:08] <mdke> yeah
[12:08] <mdke> we may have to refocus a little
[12:09] <jsgotangco> we should organise a meeting
[12:10] <jsgotangco> i'll pull out the agenda as well as clean up the roadmap
[12:10] <jsgotangco> now more than ever, we'll need more committers
[12:10] <mdke> i think we should discuss this with jdub
[12:10] <jsgotangco> we'll invite jdub as well
[12:10] <mdke> ok
[12:10] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, if you do the grunt work on organizing, I am willing to assist you, but I cannot take the lead on this
[12:11] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, i don't mind, i'll organise stuff at the moment, we need to focus on the current roadmap
[12:11] <mdke> thing about trying to corner mark after the meeting tonight, if he turns up, is that it will be about midnight
[12:12] <Burgundavia> I will be asleep, sorry
[12:12] <mdke> Burgundavia, how did the job hunting go btw?
[12:12] <jsgotangco> no problem, we'll email anyway, i want to resolve this without going through those channels if possible
[12:13] <Burgundavia> mdke, not done yet, that is why I haven't been very active recently
[12:13] <mdke> Burgundavia, well good luck
[12:13] <mdke> keep at it
[12:13] <mdke> jsgotangco, which channels?
[12:13] <jsgotangco> sabdfl, silbs
[12:14] <mdke> well to be honest i think that the question of the docteam is worth raising with them regardless of this issue
[12:14] <mdke> i have been thinking that for a while
[12:14] <mdke> especially now enrico is not employed anymore
[12:14] <jsgotangco> yes it needs consideration
[12:15] <jsgotangco> i hope enrico goes online now
[12:15] <mdke> if he comes on later i'll talk to him
[12:15] <jsgotangco> yes please
[12:17] <mdke> i'll mail henrik too to see what he thinks
[12:18] <mdke> <-- shower :p
[12:19] <jsgotangco> i wouldn't worry too much on the wiki for now
[12:19] <Burgundavia> night all
[12:19] <mpt> jsgotangco: What is the current roadmap?
[12:19] <Burgundavia> need to sleep
[12:21] <jsgotangco> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamProjects is just a table of targets
[12:21] <jsgotangco> there is no roadmap to speak of at the moment
[12:30] <mdke> one thing we will need to figure out is what to do with the documents which are profiled for ubuntu/kubuntu and Q and A and such
[12:31] <mpt> yeah
[12:31] <jsgotangco> its way over my head at the moment, but we'll have to do with yelp for now to reach targets
[12:32] <mdke> sure but the question is, yelp with xml or yelp with html
[12:32] <jsgotangco> we still code in docbook anyway its a matter of packaging
[12:33] <mdke> jsgotangco, at least 2 of the docs are profiled for kubuntu/ubuntu, yelp does not support this if we package in xml
[12:33] <mdke> so either we need to remove the profiling
[12:33] <mdke> or package in html
[12:33] <mdke> the same applies to Q and A i think
[12:33] <jsgotangco> qanda sets are a problem
[12:34] <mdke> as i understand it they are both a problem
[12:34] <jsgotangco> but we'll have to do with what yelp can do for now
[12:34] <mdke> jsgotangco, as I say, either we package in html or we cut out the profiling and qanda
[12:35] <mdke> we can discuss it in a meeting maybe
[12:36] <mpt> Is HTML the only way to get a frameset-less set of documents in yelp?
[12:36] <mdke> i don't know
[12:37] <mdke> who can change the topic in here?
[12:38] <jsgotangco> sivang
[12:38] <mdke> anyone else?
[12:38] <jsgotangco> NO IDEA
[12:39] <mdke> hmm
[12:39] <mdke> caps?
[12:39] <jsgotangco> its a statement
[12:39] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:39] <jsgotangco> (not directed to you)
[12:40] <mdke> strange that its closed topic
[01:12] <jsgotangco> i have to go
[01:12] <jsgotangco> ill just draft an email later
[03:25] <mdke> the whole wiki is in moin now
[03:26] <mdke> woohoo
[03:26] <Kinnison> cor
[03:33] <jdub> hey dudes
[03:35] <mdke> hi jdub 
[03:35] <mdke> whats up
[03:37] <jdub> hrm. me. ;)
[03:37] <mdke> good morning then
[03:37] <mdke> are you not in oz?
[03:39] <jdub> yeah, in .au
[03:40] <mdke> you heard sean has quit the team i guess?
[03:46] <mdke> jdub, btw did you publish those WorldWide scripts?
[03:47] <jdub> i sent them to a couple of people who asked for them, but they're not exactly publishable
[03:48] <jdub> i'm kinda waiting to see where the kde ones turn up, because they're a heck of a lot better
[03:48] <jdub> only they use the old version of xplanet
[03:48] <mdke> ok
[03:48] <mdke> would you send them to me?
[03:51] <mdke> jdub ^
[03:53] <jdub> yeah
[03:54] <mdke> jdub, thanks its matthew.east@breathe.com
[03:57] <jdub> cool
[03:58] <jdub> ah, so, i'm just going to send this *really* raw :)
[03:58] <jdub> straight off the disk
[03:58] <mdke> ok
[03:58] <mdke> i'll see if I can figure it out
[03:59] <jdub> it's a shell script and a bunch of accompanying crack
[03:59] <jdub> it uses current xplanet in ubuntu
[03:59] <mdke> hoary?
[03:59] <jdub> yah
[03:59] <jdub> yeah
[03:59] <mdke> ok
[03:59] <jdub> hrm
[03:59] <jdub> actuall
[04:00] <mdke> ooh yeah the kde one is nice
[04:02] <jdub> yeah, the new one is pretty bong
[04:02] <jdub> mdke: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/random/UbuntuWorldWide.tar.gz
[04:03] <mdke> jdub, thanks
[04:03] <mdke> jdub, so do you have any thoughts on the current docteam situation?
[04:05] <jdub> mdke: yeah, though i can't see that froud has quit publically
[04:05] <mdke> no
[04:06] <jdub> mdke: i've been in the channel and watching the mailing list for a few weeks, because i want to help get the communication and integration between ubuntu-doc and ubuntu-devel rolling in a useful way
[04:06] <mdke> we have been happy to see you around jdub 
[04:07] <mdke> but in some ways your habit of briefly dismissing our methodology has caused a bit of confusion
[04:07] <jdub> i mentioned to corey and jerome that i'm sketching out some ways to help people get involved with particular goals for breezy, so we can get some really satisfying stuff done
[04:07] <mdke> that would probably be helpful
[04:08] <jdub> yeah, i wasn't very clear on the list
[04:08] <mdke> jdub, you have been clear
[04:08] <mdke> just a little terse
[04:09] <mdke> i know the team would really appreciate being listened to
[04:09] <mdke> what we need is a structured methodology that all can agree with and we can stick to
[04:09] <jdub> i think in most cases, that comes down to sean
[04:09] <jdub> and i'm not sure sean has set a productive agenda
[04:10] <mdke> jdub, the thing is, no one else has set one at all
[04:10] <jdub> yeah
[04:10] <jdub> so sean's is accepted by default - i think that's part of the problem
[04:11] <mdke> jdub, i can understand your point of view
[04:11] <jdub> (i don't tend to think i'm disagreeing with the whole team when i disagree with sean)
[04:11] <mdke> jdub, however, in a team like this, where only a few people are putting work in, it is disruptive to have someone come in and say, in a line or two, screw this
[04:11] <mdke> jdub, yes I know
[04:12] <jdub> yeah, i'm disappointed with this thread
[04:12] <mdke> i know that sean has a tendency to just go ahead with things
[04:12] <mdke> but he has been putting in a lot of work
[04:13] <jdub> i don't want to sound ungrateful for his work, but his direction has not really been related to that of the rest of the project
[04:13] <jdub> which draws the whole team further away
[04:13] <mdke> jdub, i disagree to some extent
[04:14] <jdub> and makes it that much harder for everyone else to value the work being done
[04:14] <jdub> which sucks, because that's demotivating
[04:51] <mvirkkil> mdke: Nice work with the moin conversion :)
[04:52] <mdke> :)
[04:52] <mdke> wiki is moving next week
[05:03] <mpt> jdub: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpfulHelp
[05:04] <mpt> jdub: I'll try to get it finished once I've had some sleep
[05:04] <mpt> (it's probably about 40% done a.t.m.)
[05:05] <mvirkkil> mdke: To moin?
[05:05] <mvirkkil> mdke: What version?
[05:05] <mvirkkil> mdke: As the one in breezy is horrbily outdated.
[05:05] <mvirkkil> mdke: I really hope it'll be the 1.3 branch.
[05:07] <jdub> mpt: 'rename yelp' -> it's never referred to as yelp in the ui :)
[05:07] <jdub> apart from that, it's rocking
[05:08] <mpt> jdub: All abstractions leak. It's referred to as yelp in (1) the About box, (2) error messages, (3) my "System" menu ever since I chose it from the "Open With..." menu for a DocBook file
[05:08] <jdub> mpt: feasibility of print -> actually 200 times simpler than search, will be done through bounty if i get a response about it
[05:09] <jdub> mpt: not sure any of those are horrendously important
[05:09] <mpt> No, you're right, they're not
[05:09] <jdub> error messages would be the most important of the three
[05:09] <jdub> (3) is crack ;)
[05:09] <mpt> If by "crack" you mean "a bug", sure
[05:09] <jdub> (it's crack that it happens at all, like amazingly surprisingly weird)
[05:10] <mpt> Normally I wouldn't mind the panel menus not being editable
[05:10] <mpt> but since they aren't, I've got no idea how to return it to its proper name :-P
[05:10] <mpt> (or restore its icon)
[05:10] <jdub> what do you have under .gnome/apps/ ?
[05:11] <mpt> I have a .gnome directory, but not a .gnome/apps/ directory
[05:12] <jdub> ahr
[05:12] <jdub> mucho bong!
[05:12] <mpt> As for error messages, here's a simple example: (1) Open yelp to the default Hoary help page. (2) Choose "File" > "About this Document". (3) There is no step 3.
[05:13] <mpt> Maybe I've been pushing Hoary too hard, and it's starting to fall apart
[05:13] <mpt> 2/3 of the gnome-games don't have icons any more
[05:14] <mpt> Or maybe I just have the evil touch :-)
[05:20] <mdke> mvirkkil, yes 1.3
[09:24] <SquishyWaffle> howdy
[09:24] <SquishyWaffle> I don't know who to direct this to but I had some feedback that I was hoping some of the doc team leaders could peek at. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=203332#post203332
[09:25] <SquishyWaffle> In regards to wiki ergonomics and making things easier to get around in.
[09:33] <SquishyWaffle> or maybe this is the wrong place to ask since I hear you guys mostly do the stuff via SVN :)
[09:33] <mdke> hi SquishyWaffle 
[09:33] <mdke> i'll check it out
[09:33] <SquishyWaffle> hello
[09:34] <mdke> i'll reply on that thread too
[09:34] <mdke> thanks for that
[09:34] <mdke> i see henrik is involved in that thread
[09:34] <SquishyWaffle> ok, I'm not trying to complain, I just really love the idea of good documentation and I want to see the work everyone is investing go to good use
[09:35] <mdke> sure i agree
[09:35] <mdke> ah is that your post?
[09:36] <mdke> SquishyWaffle, lets talk about it now then if you like
[09:36] <SquishyWaffle> sure
[09:36] <SquishyWaffle> I was the last one, GTaylor
[09:36] <mdke> ok
[09:36] <mdke> i'm matt
[09:36] <SquishyWaffle> ok
[09:36] <mdke> now
[09:36] <mdke> 1. speed
[09:37] <mdke> the speed will be greatly increased after the transition to the new enging
[09:37] <mdke> *engine
[09:37] <SquishyWaffle> that's definitely good news
[09:37] <mdke> ok
[09:37] <mdke> 2. mediawiki
[09:37] <mdke> out of the question i'm afraid
[09:38] <SquishyWaffle> ok, not a big deal
[09:38] <mdke> the ubuntu guys considered it and rejected it
[09:38] <mdke> sadly
[09:38] <mdke> 3. images
[09:38] <mdke> just link them by filename and they will appear
[09:38] <mdke> e.g. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PicDoc.png
[09:39] <SquishyWaffle> is there a way to easily upload/resize on-page?
[09:39] <mdke> upload yeah
[09:39] <mdke> lemme fine the exact button
[09:39] <mdke> *find
[09:39] <mdke> ok "add image"
[09:40] <mdke> you can't resize on page at the moment, maybe with the new engine it will be possible
[09:40] <SquishyWaffle> ok
[09:40] <mdke> erm
[09:40] <mdke> 4. html
[09:40] <mdke> no
[09:40] <mdke> there is only MoinMoin markup
[09:41] <mdke> 5. categories
[09:41] <mdke> supported by the new engine
[09:41] <mdke> :)
[09:41] <mdke> hmm what else
[09:42] <mdke> i'm not sure i agree that gentoo are one of our big contenders... but still they do have much better docs than us
[09:42] <SquishyWaffle> well that covers what I had wondered and is re-assuring
[09:42] <SquishyWaffle> big contenders in docs :)
[09:42] <mdke> yeah that would be something to aim for
[09:42] <SquishyWaffle> but they will quickly be outstripped as the Wiki grows
[09:42] <mdke> well the official gentoo docs are better too
[09:43] <SquishyWaffle> that brings up another point, what's this I'm hearing about SVN-based docs when we have the Wiki?
[09:43] <mdke> our official docs are developed in an svn repository in xml docbook format
[09:44] <SquishyWaffle> what goes in those versus the wiki?
[09:44] <mdke> couple of points here
[09:44] <mdke> first, we will use parts of the wiki, and other doc sources when writing those documents
[09:45] <mdke> secondly, we are working on a means to convert wiki documents, where they are very good, to xml docbook and publish them
[09:45] <SquishyWaffle> publish them as in paperback?
[09:45] <mdke> no i mean in the distribution and on the website
[09:46] <SquishyWaffle> But I'm curious as to why we're doing that when I'd imagine we should be able to do it on the Wiki
[09:46] <mdke> *grins*
[09:46] <mdke> see gentoo
[09:46] <mdke> the wiki is essentially a brainstorming area
[09:46] <SquishyWaffle> yeah, but see Wikipedia
[09:46] <mdke> where anyone can edit and contribute
[09:47] <mdke> we don't have that sort of quality of editors
[09:47] <SquishyWaffle> heh, shucks
[09:47] <mdke> quality/quantity ;)
[09:47] <SquishyWaffle> ok, so your project is basically a refining of what's on the wiki?
[09:48] <mdke> SquishyWaffle, there are some books being worked on as well
[09:48] <mdke> guides
[09:48] <SquishyWaffle> that's good to hear too, I wish this stuff was more publicized
[09:48] <mdke> yeah we need to work on that
[09:48] <mdke> our methodology is a little bit sketchy at the moment
[09:48] <SquishyWaffle> I'd love to see them give more people access to the announcement forums so you guys can keep everyone hyped up :)
[09:48] <mdke> so when it is stabilised we will publish it better
[09:49] <mdke> hmm
[09:49] <mdke> i know henrik and others are very keen on developing the forums/docteam relationship
[09:49] <mdke> me too
[09:49] <mdke> when the new wiki is out we can port some guides forum->wiki
[09:50] <SquishyWaffle> well is there anywhere I can see what you guys are working on right now?
[09:50] <mdke> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocumentationTeam
[09:50] <mdke> its a start
[09:50] <mdke> although not necessarily complete
[09:52] <SquishyWaffle> So I take it this is your main project right now?: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mako/docteam/quickguide/
[09:56] <SquishyWaffle> looks like there are some good things in the works
[09:57] <mdke> quickguide is done basically, we've got a kde one now
[09:57] <mdke> i'm trying to get behind the userguide
[09:57] <mdke> its quite raw atm
[09:58] <jjesse> i'm working on the install guide
[09:58] <jjesse> trying to put the network install guide from the wiki into the install guide
[09:58] <mdke> jjesse, awesome
[09:59] <SquishyWaffle> I'd really like to help in some way. I'm a Kubuntu user/packager and would love to assist
[09:59] <jjesse> thanks mdke
[10:00] <mdke> SquishyWaffle, ok that would be great
[10:00] <mdke> SquishyWaffle, you can checkout our repository and have a poke around
[10:00] <SquishyWaffle> Where is help needed the most?
[10:01] <mdke> difficult to say right now
[10:01] <mdke> we will be having a meeting soon and hopefully we can establish our targets
[10:01] <mdke> would be great if you join
[10:01] <SquishyWaffle> when is the meeting?
[10:01] <mdke> not set yet
[10:02] <SquishyWaffle> shoot, the KDE docs haven't even been started :) That's a pretty ripe area
[10:02] <mdke> SquishyWaffle, we have a kde quickguide, but nothing else i believe
[10:02] <SquishyWaffle> hrm, no active link to it on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamProjects
[10:02] <mdke> SquishyWaffle, if you join the mailing list, you can make sure you don't miss the meeting
[10:02] <SquishyWaffle> ok, will do
[10:03] <mdke> SquishyWaffle, we can help you get our repository to have a look
[10:04] <mdke> SquishyWaffle, the previews on that projects page are not maintained i'm afraid, best way is to see the repository
[10:05] <mdke> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/kde/kquickguide/C/kquickguide.xml
[10:05] <SquishyWaffle> ok
[10:05] <SquishyWaffle> and are you guys editing this by hand or using a GUI tool of some sort?
[10:06] <mdke> gedit for me
[10:07] <mdke> it supports syntax highlighting
[10:07] <SquishyWaffle> ok, guess I have a mark-up language to learn :)
[10:07] <mdke> :)
[10:07] <mdke> SquishyWaffle, i haven't really learnt it yet
[10:08] <mdke> i just copy whats already there
[10:08] <mdke> its like html basically
[10:08] <SquishyWaffle> yeah
[10:09] <mdke> SquishyWaffle, there may also be a easy reference help project being worked on soon
[10:09] <mdke> best to wait for the meeting and see how the targets go
[10:10] <SquishyWaffle> ok, I can start playing with what's in the repository. Are there guides on the wiki to compiling things locally for testing?
[10:10] <mdke> you can just open the document
[10:10] <mdke> "yelp path/to/xml"
[10:10] <SquishyWaffle> yelp :)
[10:11] <mdke> or whatever kde uses
[10:11] <SquishyWaffle> sounds violent
[10:11] <mdke> kdehelpcenter or something
[10:12] <jjesse> kdehelpcenter
[10:13] <jjesse> though if i recall from froud kdehelpcenter doesn't do the convert on the fly or something like that
[10:13] <mdke> it should be able to read xml?
[10:13] <SquishyWaffle> convert on the fly?
[10:13] <jjesse> trying to remember a conversatation w/ froud about converting to html or something like that?
[10:14] <mdke> shouldn't be necessary
[10:14] <mdke> i think it reads the xml
[10:14] <mdke> yelp certainly does
[10:16] <SquishyWaffle> will these documents we're writing be in the KDE/Gnome help systems too?
[10:16] <mdke> yelp is the gnome help system
[10:16] <mdke> so yeah that's the idea
[10:16] <SquishyWaffle> very good
[10:16] <mdke> but they don't get pushed upstream cos they are docs for ubuntu
[10:17] <SquishyWaffle> yeah, I'm just hoping they'll be easy to find and open up within Gnome/KDE
[10:17] <mdke> oh right
[10:17] <mdke> yeah they are in the main menu
[10:17] <mdke> under System
[10:17] <mdke> -> Help
[10:17] <mdke> again, dunno about kde
[10:18] <mdke> btw I replied on that thread with the same stuff I told ya here
[10:18] <SquishyWaffle> in KDE there are a lot of branches from the main page, I'm hoping that'll be cleaned up a little
[10:18] <SquishyWaffle> ok good
[10:18] <jjesse> its khelpcenter
[10:18] <jjesse> for kde
[10:19] <SquishyWaffle> hopped on the mailing list
[10:20] <mdke> cool
[10:20] <mdke> bear with us for a bit because today we lost our main contributor, so things will need reorganising, hence the meeting
[10:20] <SquishyWaffle> ouch, ok
[10:26] <jjesse> we lost our main contributer?
[10:26] <jjesse> did i miss an email about that or somethng?
[10:26] <mdke> jjesse, no email as yet
[10:26] <mdke> froud has decided to quit
[10:26] <jjesse> mdke oh thats too bad
[10:26] <jjesse> i really got along w/ him
[10:26] <mdke> yeah
[10:27] <mdke> he was a hard worker for the cause :)
[10:27] <mdke> but these things will happen and we will carry on
[10:27] <jjesse> is there an email going to come out?
[10:28] <mdke> i hope so
[10:28] <mdke> he said that he has unsubscribed, but I hope that he will email
[10:31] <jjesse> that really stinks i wonder why he left
[10:31] <SquishyWaffle> life gets busy/hard at times :(
[10:32] <mdke> the forum has such a busy interface
[10:32] <mdke> where is the thing to subscribe to the thread?
[10:33] <mdke> ah its in thread tools
[10:37] <SquishyWaffle> woohoo, 100 posts
[10:37] <mdke> *grins*
[10:37] <mdke> 7!
[10:37] <mdke> oh no
[10:37] <mdke> 6!
[10:38] <SquishyWaffle> on a roll
[10:39] <SquishyWaffle> anyone find it ironic that those messenger buttons under avatars don't work under Linux? :)
[10:39] <SquishyWaffle> (unless you do some manual labor)
[10:40] <mdke> which?
[10:44] <SquishyWaffle> none of them work for me
[10:44] <mdke> of what?
[10:44] <SquishyWaffle> oh, for example go into a post and look under the avatars at the messenger icons
[10:44] <SquishyWaffle> it's under the Posts: field
[10:45] <SquishyWaffle> it'll open up another dialog box and if you click Send a message it doesn't do anything or gives you a warning about opening an external program depending on your browser
[10:46] <mdke> the dialogue just closed
[10:46] <mdke> very fast
[10:46] <mdke> as if it crashed
[10:50] <SquishyWaffle> yuck
[10:51] <SquishyWaffle> that's going to need some attention, I'll post in the site forum later
[10:52] <mdke> tell them their interface is too busy as well
[10:52] <mdke> :p
[10:53] <SquishyWaffle> I'm used to it because I'm a forum crawler :)
[10:53] <SquishyWaffle> we have a vBulletin site that a lot of people on campus frequent
[10:53] <jjesse> well guys work is over have a great day :)
[10:54] <SquishyWaffle> Dinner time )
[10:56] <mdke> k