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| SquishyWaffle | Quick question for you guys, do most of you use cdbs for packaging or just do it with debhelper? | 12:06 |
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| tseng | we do cdbs for new packages where it makes sense | 12:06 |
| SquishyWaffle | What qualified 'makes sense'? I haven't actually used cdbs so I'm not sure when you'd use it | 12:07 |
| tseng | well cdbs is about inheritance | 12:07 |
| tseng | once you override every function to do something nonstandard.. | 12:07 |
| tseng | was it worth it? | 12:07 |
| SquishyWaffle | ah, ok | 12:08 |
| SquishyWaffle | So for packages where you are just tossing files down rather than compiling anything, am I beter off with debhelper or cdbs? This is mainly what I was pondering for java stuff. | 12:09 |
| tseng | youd have to talk to wasabi about java stuff | 12:09 |
| tseng | I havent the slightest. | 12:09 |
| tseng | is there a reason he isnt in here? | 12:09 |
| uniq | i'd suggest looking at the source of a similar package. | 12:11 |
| SquishyWaffle | yeah, I'm still trying to figure out how it all works :) | 12:12 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: ping? | 12:33 |
| Unfrgiven | morning all | 12:34 |
| tseng | hi | 12:34 |
| tseng | \sh went to sleep | 12:34 |
| Unfrgiven | tseng: bummer... looks like i missed him by like an hour... | 12:34 |
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| HostingGeek | Look you are going to get more complaints if you have that in the topic | 03:58 |
| HostingGeek | you know this genration | 03:58 |
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| ajmitch | hello all | 04:16 |
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| DanielN | argh | 08:48 |
| DanielN | can't understand that | 08:48 |
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| Unfrgiven | DanielN: cant understand what? | 08:54 |
| DanielN | Unfrgiven: my orig.tar.gz size is bigger, than noted in the md5sum... | 09:02 |
| Unfrgiven | so why dont you redownload the md5sum and the tarball just to make sure? | 09:03 |
| DanielN | i am just sure | 09:07 |
| DanielN | got error, if i want to install ith with apt-get source | 09:08 |
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| Unfrgiven | DanielN: im sorry, i dont follow | 09:14 |
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| DanielN | Unfrgiven: i made a package myself.. and now, debian/control contains a wrong .orig.tar size entrie | 09:30 |
| DanielN | Unfrgiven: and this ends up in an error msg, if you want to get source via apt | 09:31 |
| \sh | size entry in control? | 09:32 |
| \sh | good morning btw | 09:33 |
| DanielN | argh | 09:33 |
| DanielN | good morning | 09:33 |
| DanielN | its in the Source file i mean | 09:33 |
| DanielN | Sources | 09:33 |
| DanielN | argh2 | 09:33 |
| DanielN | and in the .dsc file too | 09:36 |
| DanielN | 30418 .. but orig.tar.gz is 30420 big | 09:36 |
| \sh | DanielN: redo the dsc and all | 09:36 |
| \sh | remove .diff.gz, .dsc | 09:37 |
| \sh | enter the debianized source | 09:37 |
| \sh | and debuild -S | 09:37 |
| DanielN | \sh: i can try it... | 09:37 |
| \sh | hmmm | 09:37 |
| \sh | i have another problem | 09:37 |
| DanielN | argh | 09:42 |
| DanielN | i found the fscking error | 09:42 |
| DanielN | i created a new .orig.tar.gz and didn't upload it... so that's why there's an md5sum mismatch error | 09:42 |
| \sh | then u need to make a source upload | 09:43 |
| DanielN | yeah | 09:44 |
| DanielN | but i don't know, how this works | 09:44 |
| DanielN | cause it happens always an not source upload, when im packaging :) | 09:45 |
| \sh | debuild -S -sa | 09:45 |
| DanielN | \sh: thanks alot | 09:56 |
| \sh | u're welcome | 09:57 |
| \sh | wuahahahaha | 10:02 |
| \sh | i don't believe it | 10:02 |
| \sh | kdolphin is using my picture of a debian sarge box, which I found in someones onlineshop...now there is a japanese announcement of debian sarge with a german sarge box *rotfl* | 10:02 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 10:03 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 10:03 |
| \sh | http://www.kdolphin.org/?p=14 | 10:03 |
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| siretart | morning | 10:26 |
| \sh | hey siretart | 10:27 |
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| GheRivero | re | 10:38 |
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| siretart | gn8 Amaranth | 11:13 |
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| ofr | hello | 11:33 |
| \sh | hi ofr | 12:00 |
| ajmitch | \sh: what packages did you upload that I was working on? | 12:01 |
| \sh | ajmitch: moment...i will tell u just now | 12:02 |
| ajmitch | I saw libcommoncpp2 | 12:02 |
| ajmitch | which was already uploaded, but did need resynced again | 12:02 |
| \sh | ajmitch: libcommoncpp2 has a new debian package, i synced it and uploaded | 12:02 |
| \sh | waiting for the archives | 12:03 |
| \sh | libccscript | 12:03 |
| \sh | i uploaded | 12:03 |
| \sh | and compiled..see bugzilla | 12:03 |
| \sh | libccrtp also new packages, w8 for build (depends on libcommoncpp2) | 12:03 |
| \sh | and i think libccaudio | 12:03 |
| \sh | also uploaded but not compiled right now | 12:03 |
| ajmitch | I didn't get any new mail from bugzilla | 12:04 |
| \sh | http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11542 | 12:04 |
| \sh | http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11542 | 12:04 |
| \sh | http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11099 | 12:04 |
| \sh | http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11540 | 12:04 |
| \sh | some of them they didn't have a bugzilla entry until yesterday | 12:05 |
| ajmitch | I don't know if it was really necessary to rename libcommoncpp2-1.3 | 12:06 |
| \sh | ajmitch: debian did it as well | 12:06 |
| ajmitch | since there was never any binary in ubuntu built against the old api | 12:06 |
| \sh | and kamion wanted this rename | 12:06 |
| ajmitch | s/api/abi/ | 12:06 |
| ajmitch | ok.. | 12:06 |
| ajmitch | I guedss just to keep everything in line with debian | 12:07 |
| \sh | we had a discussion yesterday on #u-d | 12:07 |
| \sh | ajmitch: i had to adjust debian/control c/r lines | 12:07 |
| ajmitch | obviously :) | 12:08 |
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| \sh | doko: can u check universe/libs/libccaudio_1.1.2-1ubuntu1: Not-For-Us [optional:out-of-date] | 01:31 |
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| ivoks | hi | 01:34 |
| \sh | hey ivoks | 01:37 |
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| ivoks | sorry, i'm not too much help these days.. | 01:40 |
| ivoks | i didn't sleep last few nights... i have so many things to do on faculty | 01:40 |
| ivoks | well... just camed to say hi | 01:42 |
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| ivoks | back to drawing board | 01:42 |
| ivoks | bye | 01:43 |
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| ofr | hi | 01:57 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: hi | 02:00 |
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| \sh | hi Unfrgiven | 02:06 |
| Unfrgiven | how r u | 02:06 |
| Unfrgiven | ive tried doing gmetadom | 02:07 |
| Unfrgiven | but its dependant on findlib | 02:07 |
| Unfrgiven | and findlib doesnt currently build :( | 02:07 |
| \sh | Unfrgiven: yeah I know..waiting for ocaml to build correctly | 02:07 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: damn ocaml :P | 02:07 |
| \sh | ofr: u r the one from telepolis? | 02:08 |
| \sh | Unfrgiven: lemme check...doko uploaded it again the last time | 02:08 |
| ofr | sh: yeah. i havent written anything for tp in a long time, though | 02:09 |
| ofr | sh: so who are you? :) | 02:09 |
| \sh | ofr: well, an old fart, who dealt with harald m. a long time ago :) | 02:11 |
| ofr | sh: what are you working on in ubuntu= | 02:17 |
| ofr | ? | 02:17 |
| tseng | hi | 02:21 |
| Unfrgiven | tseng: gday | 02:23 |
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| \sh | ofr: motu :) | 02:26 |
| \sh | ofr: kde stuff | 02:26 |
| ofr | yeah, what packages? | 02:26 |
| ofr | i see | 02:26 |
| \sh | ofr: well depends...python-kde3 ;) | 02:26 |
| \sh | ofr: sometimes things i | 02:26 |
| \sh | I'm using every day...some server software like jabberd2 etc. | 02:27 |
| ogra | http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07?seemore=y#2005-06-07-ubuntu | 02:28 |
| ogra | absolutely worth a look :) | 02:29 |
| tseng | Unfrgiven: hi. | 02:29 |
| Unfrgiven | tseng: how goes it | 02:29 |
| tseng | fine thanks | 02:30 |
| Unfrgiven | ogra: very interesting indeed | 02:32 |
| ofr | i followed tha instructions on pbuilder | 02:32 |
| \sh | that reminds me to write a follow up article on pbuilder for our next release backporters section :) | 02:33 |
| ofr | how do i manage to create packages that are correctly tagged ubuntuX? | 02:34 |
| Gervystar | ofr: dch ? | 02:35 |
| ofr | oh yhea | 02:35 |
| ofr | did not find it | 02:35 |
| ofr | which package is it in? | 02:35 |
| tepsipakki | devscripts | 02:36 |
| ofr | thanks | 02:36 |
| tepsipakki | installed it myself a minute ago.. (gaim-rhythmbox on the way) | 02:36 |
| Unfrgiven | ofr: apt-cache search dch | 02:36 |
| \sh | apt-file search /usr/bin/dch ;) | 02:36 |
| Unfrgiven | dpkg -S dch :) | 02:37 |
| \sh | jesus...libbonobomm1.3-9c2_1.3.8-2.2ubuntu1_*.deb reached the archives..i can work | 02:39 |
| Unfrgiven | is there anyway that firefox will display the contents of the gz file on lamonts buildlogs? or do i have to download and view it manually?!?! | 02:47 |
| Treenaks | Unfrgiven: curl http://something | zless :) | 02:49 |
| ogra | Unfrgiven, hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs | 02:49 |
| ogra | Unfrgiven, but thats only for the recent builds | 02:49 |
| ogra | and my server is darn slow | 02:50 |
| Treenaks | ogra: still no "final" server? | 02:50 |
| Treenaks | for hwdb | 02:50 |
| Unfrgiven | Treenaks: thanks. | 02:51 |
| ogra | Treenaks, simply no time... my boss is laoding me with other "non hwdb" work currently ;) | 02:51 |
| Treenaks | curl is cool :) | 02:51 |
| sladen | Unfrgiven: it'll display the .gz, but I think they are .bz2's now? | 02:53 |
| Treenaks | sladen: curl yadda | bzless :P | 02:53 |
| Unfrgiven | sladen: i thought that firefox is able to handle compressed output? and the files im looking at are definately .gz | 02:57 |
| Treenaks | Unfrgiven: content-transer-encoding vs content-type I think | 02:57 |
| Treenaks | Unfrgiven: it's something in the headers of .gz files vs mod_gzipped content | 02:57 |
| Unfrgiven | Treenaks: ah right.... curl <file> | zless did not work :( | 02:58 |
| Unfrgiven | Treenaks: zless is the one with the problem... curl <file> | gzip -d works fine | 02:59 |
| Treenaks | Unfrgiven: weird | 03:01 |
| Treenaks | Unfrgiven: well.. curl http://blah | gzip -dc | less should work then :) | 03:01 |
| Treenaks | Unfrgiven: or use lesspipe | 03:01 |
| Unfrgiven | Treenaks: thats a lot more effort :P | 03:02 |
| Unfrgiven | Treenaks: wierd... zless is showing the same output as less | 03:02 |
| Unfrgiven | anyways goodnight all.... | 03:06 |
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| tseng | i wonder how i can lookup static ips | 03:44 |
| tseng | per host | 03:44 |
| ofr | what do you mean? | 03:49 |
| tseng | i want to make livecds for servers that have static ips | 03:50 |
| Treenaks | tseng: rarp | 03:50 |
| tseng | they all have exactly the same software (ethereal) | 03:50 |
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| tseng | but different hostnames/static ips | 03:50 |
| tseng | right now im thinking they can dhcp | 03:50 |
| Treenaks | tseng: dhcp would work -- if the server works right | 03:50 |
| tseng | and then lookup a static ip from mysql | 03:50 |
| tseng | but at that point, i still need a unique identifier persistant | 03:50 |
| tseng | so i might as well save all the info in a config file | 03:51 |
| tseng | on the harddisk | 03:51 |
| tseng | so i can just mount the disk on startup and copy the network file to /etc | 03:51 |
| tseng | in tmpfs | 03:52 |
| Riddell | how do I add an attachment on malone? | 03:58 |
| Lathiat | ask really really nicely | 03:58 |
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| DanielN | time to go home :) | 04:59 |
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| \sh | doko: ping | 05:55 |
| \sh | doko: please include universe/libs/libbonobouimm1.3_1.3.7-3.1ubuntu1: Not-For-Us [optional:out-of-date] | 05:56 |
| doko | \sh: include where? | 06:00 |
| \sh | doko: this lib is blocked...to compile and to install | 06:01 |
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| doko | libbonobouimm1.3 dep-wait libbonobomm1.3-9c2, so it should build again, when libbonobomm1.3-9c2 is in the archive | 06:11 |
| \sh | argl. | 06:12 |
| \sh | doko: it was uploaded yesterday | 06:13 |
| \sh | doko: and it's on the servers: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libb/libbonobomm1.3/ | 06:14 |
| ogra | woah, tyvis is really hard stuff.... | 06:36 |
| ogra | doko, could it be that you missed libclutils0 ? (Clifton Lab's Utilities. These are C++ utility classes ....) | 06:47 |
| ogra | in the package are the .a and the .so files, but they seem broken.... tyvis depends on it... | 06:47 |
| doko | ogra: maybe, time to fix it ;) | 06:48 |
| ogra | grrr | 06:48 |
| ogra | after this transition i dont want any C++ sourcecode nearer the 5m to me.... | 06:49 |
| ogra | never ever ! | 06:49 |
| \sh | ogra: hahahha | 06:49 |
| doko | heh, what about a C++ t-shirt ... | 06:50 |
| doko | or a tatoo ... | 06:50 |
| ogra | grr | 06:50 |
| \sh | ogra: didn't u want my trolltech shirt? ,-) | 06:50 |
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| ogra | there is so awesome language stuff you can program in.... why did people choose this crap ? | 06:51 |
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| ogra | yay | 06:52 |
| mgalvin | orga, sadly many school use c++, people get used to it ;( | 06:52 |
| ogra | mgalvin, i even heard about desktop environments using it.... ;) | 06:52 |
| jamessan|work | I actually never touched C++ in college. C, Java, and Scheme | 06:53 |
| jamessan|work | oh, and MIPS asm | 06:53 |
| ogra | i just need to rant a bit, because this transition stuff is no fun at all for me | 06:53 |
| mgalvin | thats another great thing about c, it never brakes compat :) | 06:54 |
| DanielN_ | hi all | 06:56 |
| DanielN_ | \sh: thanks for your hint with the source upload, works :) | 06:56 |
| \sh | ok... | 06:58 |
| \sh | libccrtp is done..thx to mvo | 06:58 |
| \sh | bugreport to debian is on its way | 06:58 |
| \sh | DanielN_: u r welcome:) | 06:59 |
| \sh | ogra: come on...u have to do some things for it ,) | 06:59 |
| DanielN_ | \sh: but another question: in the orig.tar is debian_stuff, in the source tree i deleted it. if i build the package there's an error who says to me that debian_stuff won't be deleted (and that's correct) | 07:01 |
| ogra | \sh, i know.... but currently i have the feeling to only waste my time with it.... i have a gazillion important things to do.... if i had _any_ success with at least one package it would be ok... but only finding broken packages my stuff depends on is no fun | 07:01 |
| \sh | ogra: it's ok...I will take over your packages when I'm finished with mine ;) there r also some stoppers...findlib (ocaml dep) and some others who r depending on gmetadom (ocaml ;)) | 07:02 |
| ogra | \sh, i dont want someone to help, i just want some success here.... | 07:04 |
| \sh | ogra: we need to finish this all | 07:08 |
| ogra | \sh, at least two of my packages wont build before X is fixed... we simply cant finish it | 07:10 |
| ogra | another one depends on a package that was not on the list at all, which i'm fixing currently.... | 07:10 |
| \sh | and I think, i will brew some coffee right now, have a nice shower, and lay down for 1 hour | 07:11 |
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| \sh | and when I'm waking up, I will sit in front of this laptop with a redhat fedora ;) | 07:12 |
| \sh | and listening to strange music | 07:14 |
| zul | ooh...why | 07:15 |
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| \sh | it's strange really | 07:15 |
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| ogra | could someone with some more C++ insight have a look at warped.... \sh, doko ? | 07:40 |
| \sh | sure | 07:44 |
| \sh | name? | 07:44 |
| ogra | warped | 07:44 |
| \sh | trans? | 07:45 |
| \sh | ogra: c2 ? | 07:45 |
| ogra | oh, but i just see it also has to wait until libclutils has built.... | 07:46 |
| ogra | yep, looks like another missed one | 07:46 |
| \sh | why is it not on the list? | 07:48 |
| ogra | i guess doko just looked for dependencys..... neother libclutils nor libwarped have any c++ deps | 07:49 |
| ogra | neither even | 07:49 |
| ogra | but they provide c++ functions | 07:49 |
| \sh | ok | 07:49 |
| ogra | and are written in c++ | 07:49 |
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| ogra | \sh, clutils is ready.... should hit the archive soon | 08:06 |
| \sh | clutils/20031216-6ubuntu1/ ? | 08:09 |
| ogra | yep | 08:09 |
| ogra | it just finished compiling... | 08:09 |
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| \sh | woooot | 08:37 |
| \sh | who changed p.u.c | 08:37 |
| \sh | ? | 08:37 |
| tseng | jdub. | 08:38 |
| \sh | I love him :) | 08:38 |
| \sh | it looks fantastic | 08:38 |
| === ogra doesnt read planet anymore on thewebsite since there are the rss feeded screensavers..... its much cooler to read planet this way *g* | ||
| tseng | hah | 08:44 |
| ogra | s/feeded/fed | 08:44 |
| ogra | especially while working on the new lock screen *g* | 08:46 |
| \sh | ogra: yes..but sometimes I want to see the faces...well hackergotchies ;) | 08:46 |
| tseng | ogra: "new"? | 08:46 |
| tseng | im excited. | 08:46 |
| ogra | it will somehow look like this: http://www.grawert.net/xss_mockup.png | 08:47 |
| tseng | oh wow | 08:47 |
| tseng | but with more jdub | 08:47 |
| ogra | if i ever convince this shitty code to accept xpm | 08:47 |
| tseng | other user is what | 08:48 |
| tseng | user switching? | 08:48 |
| ogra | jwz re-implemented xpm.h in the screensaver itself :( | 08:48 |
| ogra | yep | 08:48 |
| tseng | hm | 08:48 |
| ogra | you already have it.... | 08:48 |
| tseng | I do? | 08:48 |
| ogra | just with the old ugly lock screen | 08:48 |
| ogra | if you have 4.21-..... | 08:49 |
| tseng | my breezy lock screen has no buttons | 08:49 |
| tseng | updated today | 08:49 |
| ogra | hmm, funny | 08:49 |
| ogra | mine has the button.... | 08:49 |
| tseng | is that the real xpm? | 08:50 |
| tseng | oh maybe i need to restart X | 08:50 |
| ogra | nope | 08:50 |
| ogra | just the screensaver.... | 08:50 |
| ogra | hmm, and we should include rss-glx in the default screensaver install.... | 08:51 |
| tseng | yes | 08:51 |
| tseng | and it should read mjg59's blog | 08:52 |
| tseng | by default | 08:52 |
| tseng | "christing fuckmuppets" | 08:52 |
| ogra | heh | 08:54 |
| ogra | rss-glx are neat 3D screensavers (rss = really slick screensavers) | 08:54 |
| ogra | the rss reading ones are in the default install :) | 08:54 |
| tseng | hm oh | 08:55 |
| tseng | well my box at work has an i810 chip | 08:55 |
| tseng | they are probably useless | 08:55 |
| tseng | rss-glx is already the newest version. | 08:55 |
| ogra | and i adjusted them to point to planet by default ;) so make mjg59 join planet ;) | 08:55 |
| tseng | jdub probably wont let him | 08:56 |
| tseng | they wont let him on planet gnome | 08:56 |
| ogra | heh | 08:56 |
| ogra | why ? | 08:56 |
| Nafallo | tseng: make it a default in blam then ;-) | 08:56 |
| tseng | because his blogs are very offensive | 08:56 |
| ogra | oh, good idea | 08:56 |
| tseng | whats the name of an rss screensaver | 08:57 |
| Nafallo | tseng: FontGlidesomething... | 08:57 |
| Treenaks | tseng: phosphor can use it? | 08:57 |
| tseng | Treenaks: hm? | 08:58 |
| ogra | less /usr/share/doc/rss-glx/README.xscreensaver | 08:58 |
| Treenaks | tseng: the phosphor screensaver | 08:58 |
| Treenaks | ogra: there is a separate package? what's ljlatest for then? :) | 08:58 |
| Treenaks | oh THAT rss | 08:59 |
| ogra | dunno, never heard of it ? | 08:59 |
| Treenaks | stupid acronym overloading | 08:59 |
| ogra | hehe | 08:59 |
| \sh | hmmm....nice | 09:00 |
| Treenaks | ogra: ljlatest returns the last X entries from an rss file, and stuff like phosphor, noseguy etc. can read from that | 09:00 |
| Treenaks | s/X/n | 09:00 |
| \sh | sebastian bergmann released his book "Software Development with PHP5" as opensource | 09:00 |
| Treenaks | ogra: so you can have noseguy walking around spewing the latest livejournal crap | 09:00 |
| ogra | Treenaks, thats already built in in the latest xscreensaver, no need for an extra program | 09:00 |
| ogra | Treenaks, exactly what it does now ;) | 09:00 |
| Treenaks | ogra: ljlatest used to be included as a separate program in the xscreensaver package | 09:00 |
| ogra | Treenaks, its included and on by default, pointing to planet.ubuntu.com | 09:01 |
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| Treenaks | ogra: not working for noseguy here, he only tells me my load average | 09:01 |
| tseng | wow that was so cool it crashed my box | 09:02 |
| ogra | Treenaks, seems noseguy doesnt use the internal rss parser ... | 09:03 |
| Treenaks | ogra: oh wait... | 09:03 |
| Treenaks | ogra: if I remove ~/.xscreensaver and killall xscreensaver | 09:03 |
| Treenaks | then start xscreensaver-demo and let it start the daemon | 09:03 |
| ogra | ah, old setting :) | 09:03 |
| Treenaks | it works | 09:03 |
| ogra | Treenaks, try FlipText, thats the nicest one imho | 09:05 |
| Treenaks | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". | 09:05 |
| Treenaks | ogra: I have an ati and breezy... | 09:05 |
| ogra | poke daniels :) to make an l-r-m package | 09:06 |
| Nafallo | hmm | 09:06 |
| Treenaks | ogra: I'll wait for 2.6.12-final before I do that | 09:06 |
| Nafallo | where is mjg59's blog? | 09:06 |
| ogra | Nafallo, its on planet.debian.org | 09:07 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 09:11 |
| Nafallo | found it ;-) | 09:11 |
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| === Treenaks whips his thumbnailer | ||
| Treenaks | the pictures might be huge, but I want thumbnails. GO | 09:13 |
| \sh | Treenaks: gallery2 ;) | 09:13 |
| Treenaks | \sh: no, my own home-built perl thingy :) | 09:13 |
| Treenaks | but it's almost choking on my new 8mpix photos from my EOS 350D :) | 09:14 |
| \sh | Treenaks: why not imagemagick with a oneliner? | 09:14 |
| Treenaks | \sh: it IS imagemagick, from perl | 09:14 |
| \sh | s/perl// ;) | 09:14 |
| Treenaks | \sh: the perl is pretty clean: http://foodfight.org/download/photo/ | 09:14 |
| \sh | oh cgi... | 09:15 |
| Treenaks | \sh: oui | 09:15 |
| Treenaks | \sh: I think it's even mod_perl-able | 09:16 |
| Treenaks | \sh: (Apache::Registry etc.) | 09:16 |
| Treenaks | \sh: basically, I just put my pics in a dir, and I'm done (except for waiting for thumbnailing) | 09:18 |
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| dholbach | hi | 09:25 |
| Nafallo | hi DanielN_ | 09:25 |
| \sh | hey dholbach | 09:25 |
| Nafallo | hi dholbach :-) | 09:25 |
| dholbach | hey :) | 09:25 |
| dholbach | so we're really 66 people in here? | 09:25 |
| dholbach | ROCK :) | 09:25 |
| Nafallo | and 159 in -devel ;-) | 09:26 |
| dholbach | we rock so hard :) | 09:26 |
| mgalvin | hi dholbach | 09:26 |
| tseng | dholbach: hi | 09:26 |
| dholbach | hi | 09:26 |
| dholbach | i feel so welcome in here :) | 09:27 |
| === Nafallo shouldn't have thrown away universe and multiverse... *sigh* | ||
| tseng | dholbach: and they told us not to make the channel | 09:27 |
| dholbach | haha :))) | 09:27 |
| dholbach | MOTUNewPackages is A BIT full as well | 09:28 |
| tseng | i kind of want to freeze it | 09:28 |
| tseng | until we have a policy for making itps | 09:28 |
| tseng | or working with the itp filler | 09:29 |
| \sh | ogra: should i try and fix warp? | 09:29 |
| tseng | filer? | 09:29 |
| dholbach | we maybe don't want ITPs | 09:29 |
| tseng | we want something. | 09:29 |
| dholbach | yeah... kind of an announcement | 09:29 |
| tseng | oh i dont want itps in ubuntu | 09:29 |
| tseng | i want to make sure we file it in debian | 09:29 |
| dholbach | not in debian as well - they will nail you on those packages | 09:29 |
| dholbach | :) | 09:29 |
| tseng | so our package doesnt get overwriten | 09:29 |
| dholbach | i think i don't want to own packages | 09:29 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: then we need to have somebody sponsoring those packages into debian. | 09:29 |
| dholbach | "own" | 09:29 |
| tseng | Mithrandir: thats not a big problem for me, but I dont know about all this other stuff | 09:30 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: i'm not sure about the administrativa, but do we want an RFP maybe? | 09:30 |
| tseng | Mithrandir: that we are already sponsoring for someone else | 09:30 |
| tseng | into ubuntu | 09:30 |
| ogra | \sh, yes, thats why i asked ;) | 09:31 |
| \sh | I think we shouldn't sponsor any uploads..if they want to upload a package, they should become a motu | 09:31 |
| tseng | i dont want to add a package in ubuntu and get a different package added to debian | 09:31 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: I think we should ask on -devel how it should be handled. it would be very nice if we could extend the wnpp mechanism to "packaged-in-ubuntu" or something. | 09:31 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: you're misunderstanding. You need somebody to sponsor the package into debian. A DD. | 09:31 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: yeah kind of an announcement to make it easier | 09:31 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: yes...ajmitch can do | 09:31 |
| tseng | or more recently, have someone file an ITP, me work with that person to fix up the package | 09:31 |
| tseng | and a 3rd person upload a totally crap package w/o talking to either of us | 09:31 |
| dholbach | \sh: he will kill us for 426767964 packages in 468794269426 new revisions :) | 09:31 |
| tseng | Mithrandir: is there a policy about ^ ? | 09:32 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: that's way too much for a single person. sponsoring is a lot of work. | 09:32 |
| \sh | dholbach: hmmm..I don't want to go the DD way | 09:32 |
| dholbach | \sh: collaboration on packages is the easiest way | 09:32 |
| dholbach | \sh: the only way in my eyes | 09:32 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: it works like this: we're reviewing the packages, and we decide if it's ok or not..ajmitch + other DDs in the Ubuntu Project will have the last word | 09:33 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: about not respecting ITPs? It's considered a bit rude and it usually ends with "sure, you take it" from one of the packagers. It's seldom malicious. | 09:33 |
| tseng | Mithrandir: well the package that was uploaded is wrong. | 09:33 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: well, then bugs must be filed; that's kinda irrelevant, really. :-) | 09:33 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: any DD uploading something to Debian is signing the source with his own key and thereby taking responsibility for the upload. | 09:33 |
| tseng | eh as long as he hands it over I guess | 09:34 |
| dholbach | is RicardoMarkiewicz here? | 09:34 |
| tseng | i already got the first guy to fix his package | 09:34 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: it's usually an issue of missing or mis-communication. | 09:34 |
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| tseng | yes i need to publish this mono packaging policy and then start beating people over the head with it | 09:35 |
| tseng | people are still reading old docs. | 09:35 |
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| dholbach | does anybody know RicardoMarkiewicz ircnick? | 09:36 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: right...so what is the best way...filing ITP and w8? | 09:36 |
| dholbach | \sh: filing ITP means "i will maintain this package in debian until i die" :) | 09:36 |
| \sh | and if kde app is not running on noscreen s390 mode, it's rejected? | 09:37 |
| tseng | dude, m68k | 09:37 |
| \sh | hmmm | 09:37 |
| tseng | its the wave of the future. | 09:37 |
| Nafallo | I thought all that changed with etch? | 09:37 |
| plugwash | dholbach i'm sure people can stop maintaining packages in debian can't they | 09:37 |
| tseng | plugwash: you can orphan is | 09:38 |
| tseng | *it | 09:38 |
| \sh | I would say: lets start filing ITPs with "He Man <motu@ubuntu-motu.org>" | 09:38 |
| tseng | then someone has to pick it up or I think its removed. | 09:38 |
| Nafallo | isn't debian walking the "support 4 most popular arches" road now? | 09:38 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: there hasn't been a large-scale effort similar to what we're doing here before, so we need to establish a sane and reasonable set of policies. | 09:38 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: yes...malone if debian wants or not | 09:38 |
| \sh | and now i have to go to mako and tell him my anti-debian mood ,-) | 09:39 |
| tseng | \sh: eh you keep going for launchpad stuff as the solution | 09:39 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: malone is irrelevant in this context. I'm talking about what we need to do in relation to debian. | 09:39 |
| tseng | launchpad just doesnt work at this point | 09:39 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: if people start filing ITPs, they need to follow through and maintain the packages in Debian too. | 09:39 |
| dholbach | plugwash: yeah... i was merely kidding, but ITP doesn't mean "i will have a look at the source code" - the text really talks of "owning" | 09:39 |
| dholbach | and since it's a administrative device of debian, i'm not sure, if we want to use it "on the fly" | 09:39 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: if you think about a roleaccount, it doesn't matter who of us will touch the package, we will be one person towards debian | 09:39 |
| tseng | that doesnt fit in the model \sh | 09:40 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: that's so not how Debian works. | 09:40 |
| tseng | one person owns one package | 09:40 |
| \sh | bah...it's all to difficult | 09:40 |
| tseng | teams are a new concept. | 09:40 |
| tseng | there are x, mono, gnome teams, but its still not really what you are saying | 09:41 |
| \sh | tseng: so gentoo style | 09:41 |
| tseng | gentoo style is shithouse | 09:41 |
| \sh | tseng: i mean "herds" when it's working | 09:42 |
| tseng | \sh: i managed the gentoo desktop project for some months, if you recall | 09:42 |
| \sh | tseng: yepp | 09:42 |
| tseng | herds dont give accountability at all | 09:42 |
| Mithrandir | for a lot of packages, a team approach doesn't make sense. | 09:42 |
| Mithrandir | mail-handling team, for instance? | 09:42 |
| tseng | entire teams disappear, and no one new is joining, its a very loose structure | 09:43 |
| \sh | Mithrandir:why not? | 09:43 |
| Mithrandir | maintaining mutt, gnus, exim4, postfix, mailman and everything else which touches mail. | 09:43 |
| tseng | and leaves one person, or no one at all holding a big bag | 09:43 |
| Mithrandir | (yes, and gnu hello) | 09:43 |
| tseng | yeah some teams seem related but arent like that | 09:43 |
| tseng | no one uses 4 mtas | 09:43 |
| tseng | gnome or mono makes sense, its a stack | 09:44 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: which team would maintain chrpath? pkg-config? sash? fortune-mod-bofh-excuses? | 09:44 |
| tseng | you need to coordinate. | 09:44 |
| Amaranth | smeg 0.7.4 is universe but i just released 0.7.5, how do i get it in? | 09:44 |
| Mithrandir | (those are a few of my packages in Debian, fwiw) | 09:44 |
| Amaranth | put it on MOTUNewPackages again? | 09:44 |
| Nafallo | Mithrandir: MOTU ;-) | 09:44 |
| tseng | Amaranth: no | 09:44 |
| Amaranth | or can i just find a sponsor this time and go | 09:44 |
| tseng | Amaranth: just prepare a new source package and give to whoever sponsored it | 09:44 |
| Amaranth | ajmitch: ping? | 09:44 |
| Mithrandir | Nafallo: for some, sure. For some, absolutely not. pkg-config is apparently trivial, but not. | 09:44 |
| Mithrandir | or we could end up with a zillion teams. python-based-webapps team for instance (where pyblosxom would fit). | 09:45 |
| tseng | thats where gentoo is | 09:45 |
| tseng | a bunch of loose teams that make no sense | 09:45 |
| tseng | debian has a few sensible teams | 09:46 |
| dholbach | Amaranth: MOTUToReview | 09:46 |
| Mithrandir | I think trying to say "team for everything" might be trying to fit a large amount of square pegs in a different amount of round holes. :-) | 09:46 |
| tseng | and 1000 disconnected maintainers | 09:46 |
| zul | the gentoo way | 09:46 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: sure, debian's model isn't perfect either, but trying to come up with The Single Solution is either nontrivial or not possible. | 09:46 |
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| zul | wohoo.. | 09:47 |
| Amaranth | dholbach: Put it up there? I've already gone through MOTUNewPackages to get 0.7.4 in | 09:47 |
| Mithrandir | yeah, and we'd have a norwegian team for maintaining the norwegian spellchecking dictionaries. I guess that team would have a single member. :P | 09:47 |
| tseng | Mithrandir: all i want is a way to proactively push changes to debian | 09:47 |
| \sh | Amaranth: u r no motu? | 09:47 |
| tseng | not that many DD's watch ~scott | 09:47 |
| Amaranth | \sh: nope, no signed key | 09:47 |
| dholbach | Amaranth: unless you're a motu, you have to get stuff reviewed | 09:47 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: ok, lets lean back and look at the different problems? | 09:48 |
| dholbach | Amaranth: for a new revision it's just one review | 09:48 |
| tseng | Mithrandir: yep | 09:48 |
| Nafallo | Mithrandir: baah, you might soon convert me to norwegian anyway ;-) | 09:48 |
| tseng | the major problem case for me is this: | 09:48 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: one is making sure bugs we fix are fixed in debian as well. | 09:48 |
| Amaranth | dholbach: I thought my sponsor was the one that had to review it for a new revision. | 09:48 |
| tseng | I package something, say Beagle | 09:48 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: another is making sure that anything which MOTUs package end up with a compatible packaging in Debian. | 09:48 |
| tseng | someone else doesnt know/care about ubuntu | 09:48 |
| \sh | Amaranth: u have a possibility to send me your passport or identity card via fax? | 09:48 |
| dholbach | Amaranth: everybody can do it | 09:48 |
| tseng | and files an ITP w/ their own package | 09:48 |
| dholbach | Amaranth: every maintainer/ MOTU | 09:48 |
| tseng | his package is just wrong | 09:49 |
| tseng | he doesnt know the mono policies | 09:49 |
| dholbach | \sh: we have a process for that, including notaries | 09:49 |
| Amaranth | \sh: as soon as i find my ID i could scan it, don't think i could fax | 09:49 |
| dholbach | \sh: somewhere on the wiki... | 09:49 |
| \sh | dholbach: really? | 09:49 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: if Debian has the same set of policies, you can just file bugs in bugs.d.o | 09:49 |
| tseng | I can, but i already made a package thats correct | 09:49 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: and say "hey, I do actually maintain mono stuff in Ubuntu, how about we cooperate and I feed you patches" | 09:49 |
| tseng | it feels like working backwards to make someone else fix it | 09:49 |
| dholbach | \sh: nobody will blame you for what you keysign | 09:50 |
| dholbach | \sh: normally this goes to mako | 09:50 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: then you need to convince the maintainer that your solution is nice and correct and he'll take that instead of his own. | 09:50 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: now, why would such a situation happen in the first place? | 09:50 |
| tseng | because we dont file ITP for our new packages | 09:50 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: probably because the maintainer didn't know about your package. | 09:50 |
| tseng | yes. | 09:51 |
| Mithrandir | people are lazy, so even if he actively doesn't care about ubuntu, he'll probably start from your package. | 09:51 |
| Mithrandir | (if he knows about it) | 09:51 |
| \sh | dholbach: if there is a rule..I will follow this rule :) | 09:51 |
| tseng | so can we list new packages in ubuntu that arent in debian? | 09:51 |
| tseng | something. | 09:51 |
| \sh | tseng: packages.gz comparing | 09:52 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: if we can make that list and put it somewhere the Debian maintainers might look, that would be a good start. | 09:52 |
| tseng | hm awk out the name | 09:52 |
| Nafallo | tseng: something like IIU (Is In Ubuntu)? | 09:52 |
| tseng | and diff the sorted list | 09:52 |
| tseng | Nafallo: yes if it was on WNPP | 09:52 |
| tseng | it would be a no-brainer | 09:52 |
| \sh | tseng: only source packages | 09:52 |
| tseng | \sh: yep. | 09:52 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: wnpp is all about source packages. | 09:53 |
| Nafallo | tseng: right. | 09:53 |
| Mithrandir | I think ITP is wrong, since the MOTU isn't going to find a sponsor and push it into debian and maintain it there, he's more "looking for Debian maintainer". | 09:53 |
| Mithrandir | which is kinda-ish RFP, but not quite. | 09:53 |
| tseng | yeah its sort of in between | 09:53 |
| Amaranth | anyone wanna review smeg for me? :) it's on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUToReview | 09:53 |
| Mithrandir | it's almost an RFA. :P | 09:53 |
| Mithrandir | (request for adoption) | 09:53 |
| tseng | well i already have a sponsor for f-spot, I dont mind doing that | 09:54 |
| tseng | but I see why we cant do it for everything | 09:54 |
| Nafallo | Mithrandir: hehe, sounds like a bug+patch against wnpp would be a solution. add IIU or something ;-). | 09:54 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: what do you mean by "everything" here? | 09:54 |
| tseng | everything in universe and not in debian | 09:54 |
| \sh | ogra: ping | 09:54 |
| tseng | we have a steadily growing list of MOTUNewPackages | 09:54 |
| Mithrandir | Nafallo: I think this is a social problem and we should solve it on a social level first, then implement the technical details. | 09:55 |
| dholbach | tseng: i'm working on it | 09:55 |
| tseng | which means steadily more conflicts in the future | 09:55 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: ok, so the diff + a blacklist? | 09:55 |
| tseng | yep. | 09:55 |
| tseng | ill try it | 09:55 |
| Mithrandir | ok, so how do we want to handle the case of a package being removed in Debian due to orphaning, for instance? | 09:55 |
| \sh | ogra: regarding warp, it looks like, that this bloody software doesn't include <stdint.h> but configure finds it, but didn't declare the conditional var | 09:55 |
| tseng | is that not dropped from ubuntu? | 09:56 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: I think it is today, yes. | 09:56 |
| tseng | hm oh damn | 09:56 |
| tseng | we have to compile universe/multiverse/main sources.gz | 09:56 |
| Mithrandir | tseng: do you know how conflicts between apt-get.org imports and universe were handled? | 09:57 |
| ogra | \sh, can you fix it ? | 09:57 |
| tseng | no. | 09:57 |
| elmo | http://people.ubuntu.com/~james/paste/012.txt | 09:57 |
| \sh | ogra: I'm trying | 09:57 |
| elmo | Mithrandir: a-g.o wasn't allowed to override main.. or I think universe, tho I'm not 100% on the latter | 09:57 |
| elmo | that doesn't take into account a-g.o, but I can probably do that trivially | 09:57 |
| elmo | that's only universe, not main.. | 09:58 |
| dholbach | apt-get.org: i had a look which packages we already had | 09:58 |
| tseng | zcat Sources.gz | grep Package | awk '{print $2}' | sort | uniq | 09:58 |
| dholbach | i had a script sorting that out for me from the Sources - file of the repositories | 09:58 |
| tseng | we'll have to build that up from each component | 09:58 |
| Mithrandir | we actually have a banana package? | 09:58 |
| tseng | and then diff. | 09:58 |
| Mithrandir | is it built from the dpkg source package? | 09:58 |
| dholbach | ? | 09:59 |
| dholbach | the source package is banana, the binary package php-banana | 09:59 |
| tseng | Mithrandir: im guilty of the second use case also, i didnt push bugfixes to the blam maintainer (even though they were against the new version) | 10:00 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: keybuk tends to use a banana package when talking about some stuff in dpkg and so on. | 10:00 |
| tseng | i am working w/ him now, though | 10:00 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: it has the most utterly useless description I've _ever_ seen. | 10:00 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: oh :))) | 10:00 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: that's my fault, i overlooked it, i else wouldnt have permitted it to go in | 10:00 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: fabbione already $"&)/$"&)/$"&)/&$" me for that... he did it hard | 10:01 |
| Mithrandir | so, we're at about 130 ubuntu specific packages. It would be nice if that was a bit closer to zero. | 10:01 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: that list includes main? | 10:01 |
| Mithrandir | hm, no, I don't think so. | 10:01 |
| tseng | yeah i dont see g-a-i | 10:02 |
| tseng | Out-of-date BUT modified: 206 (2.55%) | 10:03 |
| \sh | grmpf | 10:03 |
| tseng | sucks | 10:03 |
| Mithrandir | that would also be nice to get a bit closer to zero | 10:03 |
| Mithrandir | so, what's a sensible way to work at this? | 10:04 |
| tseng | what constitutes a blacklist? | 10:04 |
| tseng | that list is much larger than id expect | 10:04 |
| Mithrandir | isn't blacklisted c++ apps and stuff? | 10:05 |
| tseng | oh thats right | 10:05 |
| tseng | no wonder its so large | 10:05 |
| tseng | i thought it was only mis-versioned e-d-s from unstable and such | 10:05 |
| tseng | maybe we can start by knocking out the 206 unmergeable things and seeing what is left in ~scott? | 10:06 |
| tseng | see if its reasonable to start files bugs or bugging maintainers | 10:06 |
| Mithrandir | uhm, the 206 stuff isn't unmergeable, it's just not up-to-date wrt debian. Which might mean we need to file a few hundred patches. :) | 10:07 |
| tseng | yeah, if we merge it we'll see what we did to the package | 10:07 |
| tseng | in alot of cases its probably desireable to merge id guess | 10:07 |
| tseng | merge "upstream" | 10:07 |
| tseng | i cant imagine we changed 206 packages just for fun | 10:08 |
| Mithrandir | heh | 10:08 |
| tseng | im just imagining if we dont start clearing things up now | 10:09 |
| tseng | it will become unmanageable | 10:09 |
| Mithrandir | yes | 10:09 |
| tseng | only dholbach will be able to make sense of it | 10:09 |
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| tseng | mapped onto 6 pages of wiki magic voodoo | 10:09 |
| \sh | i don't see the error | 10:09 |
| tseng | \sh: the error of having 206 packages with merge conflicts to debian? | 10:10 |
| \sh | tseng: nono | 10:10 |
| \sh | warped | 10:10 |
| dholbach | the MOM list is DAMN long | 10:10 |
| tseng | oh. | 10:10 |
| \sh | g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../src/warped -I../src/warped -I../src -I../src -I/usr/include/mpi -I/usr/include/pccts -g -O2 -MT Serializable.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/Serializable.Tpo -c warped/Serializable.cpp -fPIC -DPIC | 10:11 |
| \sh | warped/warped.h:39: error: 'INT64_MAX' was not declared in this scope | 10:11 |
| \sh | warped/warped.h:40: error: 'INT64_MIN' was not declared in this scope | 10:11 |
| ogra | \sh, same here with vdk2.... | 10:11 |
| \sh | but everything is correct | 10:11 |
| \sh | ogra: include stdint? | 10:11 |
| \sh | ogra: include stdint.h? | 10:11 |
| \sh | can it be, that stdint.h has a bug inside in the c99 defs? | 10:11 |
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| ivoks | hi | 10:14 |
| dholbach | hi ivoks | 10:14 |
| ogra | \sh, i didnt mean the same error.... | 10:14 |
| ivoks | ok, i packaged new version of wifi-radar :) | 10:15 |
| ivoks | but, still can't upload :) | 10:15 |
| ogra | \sh, i meant i dont see the error... | 10:15 |
| dholbach | ivoks: you're still on CommunityCouncilAgenda? | 10:15 |
| ivoks | I am?! | 10:15 |
| ivoks | yeah... i tried to remove my self, but page was locked | 10:15 |
| \sh | argl | 10:16 |
| \sh | OGRA ! | 10:16 |
| \sh | i'm stupid and u r stupid too | 10:16 |
| \sh | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=268250 | 10:16 |
| tseng | wow. | 10:16 |
| ivoks | when in meeting? | 10:17 |
| \sh | sorry | 10:17 |
| ivoks | s/in/is :( | 10:17 |
| elmo | http://people.ubuntu.com/~james/paste/013.txt | 10:17 |
| tseng | 20:00 UTC | 10:17 |
| elmo | ^--- including a.g.o | 10:17 |
| \sh | that was so obvious, that I didn't realize to look on this page | 10:17 |
| tseng | er no | 10:17 |
| dholbach | tseng: 22:00 utc | 10:17 |
| \sh | 22:00 utc | 10:17 |
| ivoks | 20:00 UTC? that was 17 minutes ago?! | 10:17 |
| tseng | 22 | 10:17 |
| ivoks | ah, ok :) | 10:17 |
| tseng | i misread the topic, it listed TB first | 10:18 |
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| tseng | which is strangely later | 10:18 |
| ivoks | yeah... i can't change CommunityCouncilAgenda | 10:18 |
| ivoks | :( | 10:18 |
| tseng | so dudes i am on my way home | 10:18 |
| tseng | cya in a bit | 10:18 |
| dholbach | bye tseng | 10:19 |
| ivoks | tseng: bye | 10:19 |
| ivoks | Insufficient Privileges | 10:20 |
| ivoks | so... | 10:20 |
| elmo | FWIW, if that's useful, I can cron it | 10:20 |
| ivoks | doh... | 10:23 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: I think it's useful. | 10:23 |
| ivoks | could someone upload my wifi-radar? :) | 10:23 |
| \sh | hahaha | 10:24 |
| ivoks | i have this new version :) | 10:25 |
| ivoks | \sh: http://www.bitbuilder.com/wifi_radar/ (check out debian packages) :) | 10:26 |
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| ivoks | i'll be back at 22:00 UTC | 10:28 |
| ivoks | bye | 10:28 |
| dholbac1 | bye ivoks | 10:28 |
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| dholbach | brb | 10:52 |
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| mgalvin | l8r, hopefully i can make it home in time for the meeting | 10:58 |
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| ivoks | elmo: thanks for email | 11:02 |
| ogra | ivoks, have you cleaned yourself from the agenda already ? | 11:02 |
| ivoks | i can't | 11:03 |
| ivoks | i get permisson denied | 11:03 |
| ogra | huh ? | 11:03 |
| ivoks | i'll try again | 11:03 |
| ivoks | i'm confused too :) | 11:03 |
| ivoks | i tried week ago | 11:04 |
| ivoks | almost every day :) | 11:04 |
| ivoks | i don't get edit option | 11:05 |
| ogra | are you logged in ? | 11:06 |
| ivoks | :) | 11:06 |
| ivoks | i can change cxxlibrarylist | 11:06 |
| ivoks | yes, i'm logged in | 11:06 |
| ivoks | but on CCA I'm not | 11:07 |
| ivoks | strange | 11:07 |
| ogra | i'll clean it, dont worry... | 11:08 |
| ivoks | i'll try another browser :) maybe some cookie is broken... | 11:08 |
| ivoks | os something :) | 11:08 |
| ivoks | nope... | 11:09 |
| ivoks | same thing | 11:09 |
| ivoks | i get welcome. you are now logged in | 11:10 |
| ivoks | but... i don't have permisson to edit anything and it says "Log In", not "My Preferences" as on CxxLibraryList | 11:10 |
| ivoks | thanx for clearing my name :) | 11:11 |
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| \sh | I don't get it | 11:27 |
| ivoks | what? | 11:29 |
| \sh | warped | 11:32 |
| \sh | stdint.h | 11:32 |
| \sh | ##c++ says to me, i should use std::numeric_limits | 11:32 |
| \sh | but this i don't understand...I'm reading just now c++ books :( | 11:32 |
| Amaranth | can i get someone to review smeg 0.7.5 real quick? it's on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUToReview | 11:33 |
| Amaranth | it's only about 20-30 lines changed from 0.7.4 | 11:34 |
| ivoks | :) | 11:35 |
| ivoks | one char is enough to make it a mess | 11:35 |
| ivoks | 20-30 lines is... | 11:35 |
| ivoks | calling for disaster :) | 11:35 |
| Amaranth | pfft | 11:35 |
| Amaranth | it's python | 11:35 |
| ivoks | i'm kidding :) | 11:35 |
| ivoks | techincly i'm not motu yet... | 11:36 |
| ivoks | my pgp isn't checked and my review wouldn't help you for now... | 11:36 |
| Amaranth | btw, does being S!2 signed by someone in the strong set help me at all? | 11:36 |
| ivoks | Amaranth: of course | 11:37 |
| ogra | Amaranth, do you have the key id ? | 11:37 |
| Amaranth | well, he isn't in yet either | 11:37 |
| Amaranth | hehe | 11:37 |
| Amaranth | he gets signed on thursday | 11:37 |
| ivoks | he? | 11:37 |
| Amaranth | the guy that signed me | 11:37 |
| ivoks | ah... | 11:38 |
| \sh | ivoks: u r motu | 11:38 |
| ogra | Amaranth, but his key is on the servers , so do you have his id ? | 11:38 |
| Amaranth | loading kgpg, hang on | 11:38 |
| ivoks | \sh: cripled one, yes :) | 11:38 |
| ivoks | kgpg? | 11:39 |
| ivoks | Amaranth: it's time to open konsole :) | 11:39 |
| Amaranth | E11D7813 | 11:39 |
| Amaranth | ivoks: not a kde user | 11:39 |
| ivoks | no keys found | 11:40 |
| Amaranth | err | 11:40 |
| ogra | Amaranth, its not on the keyserver | 11:41 |
| \sh | ogra: i will look tomorrow...tonight my brain doesn't work anymore | 11:41 |
| ogra | \sh, i gave up on tse3 too | 11:41 |
| Amaranth | it is here... | 11:41 |
| ogra | Amaranth, http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/mk_path.cgi?STAT=A2D06936&STATS=statistics | 11:41 |
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| Amaranth | ogra: and? | 11:42 |
| ogra | if you get *any* path to me youre fine... just check it after both of your keys are uploaded | 11:42 |
| \sh | and libmetakit broke on amd64/ia64 as well | 11:42 |
| Amaranth | oh | 11:42 |
| Amaranth | bleh | 11:42 |
| ivoks | ogra: let's check mine :) | 11:42 |
| Amaranth | i have to get to you? | 11:42 |
| Amaranth | well, he won't be signed by anyone until thursday, so i'll check then | 11:42 |
| \sh | libbonobouimm* is also not compiled, libprinterconf also not... | 11:43 |
| ivoks | oho! there is nice, short path :) | 11:43 |
| ogra | Amaranth, i'm in the strong connected set, so any kind of connection will be enough | 11:43 |
| ivoks | two, even :) | 11:43 |
| \sh | I'm glad, that I know ogra personally ;) | 11:43 |
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| Amaranth | that stupid website tells me my key id is invalid | 11:44 |
| dholbach | ok | 11:44 |
| thesaltydog | here I am | 11:44 |
| ivoks | Amaranth: :) | 11:44 |
| ogra | hey | 11:44 |
| \sh | lets check council agenda | 11:44 |
| dholbach | ./debian/changelog gets copied to /usr/share/doc/changelog.Debian.gz | 11:44 |
| thesaltydog | yes | 11:44 |
| ogra | Amaranth, did you upload already ? | 11:45 |
| dholbach | ./ChangeLog gehts copied to /usr/share/doc/changelog.gz | 11:45 |
| dholbach | "copied" | 11:45 |
| thesaltydog | no | 11:45 |
| thesaltydog | I did that way.. | 11:45 |
| Amaranth | oh, i was reading it wrong | 11:45 |
| Amaranth | ogra: yes | 11:45 |
| \sh | it's wrong | 11:45 |
| ogra | whats wrong ? | 11:45 |
| thesaltydog | I have put ./ChangeLog and ./debian/changelog, but I have only one changelog.Debian.gz in the package | 11:46 |
| Amaranth | the way that web interface works | 11:46 |
| \sh | ./ChangeLog gehts copied to /usr/share/doc/changelog.gz | 11:46 |
| Amaranth | i was putting one thing in one form and one in the other | 11:46 |
| dholbach | erm... /usr/share/<package>/changelog.gz :) | 11:46 |
| dholbach | arg | 11:46 |
| dholbach | erm... /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.gz :) | 11:47 |
| ogra | heh | 11:47 |
| dholbach | don't try to learn from ANY word from me tonight | 11:47 |
| \sh | dholbach: hehe | 11:47 |
| thesaltydog | understand... but let me check one minute again | 11:47 |
| \sh | thesaltydog: u want to install the upstream ChangeLog? | 11:47 |
| \sh | dh_installchangelogs -k | 11:47 |
| ogra | dholbach, fix some packages and the frequent shiverig stops immediately.... withdrawal symptoms, you know ? ;) | 11:48 |
| \sh | thesaltydog: q | 11:48 |
| thesaltydog | dholbach, I confirm: I have only changelog.Debian.gz in /usr/share/doc/bum/ | 11:48 |
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| thesaltydog | \sh it is there.. | 11:48 |
| thesaltydog | -k?? | 11:48 |
| thesaltydog | I didn't put -k!!! | 11:48 |
| \sh | man dh_installchangelogs | 11:49 |
| dholbach | ogra: if that was my only problem... :) | 11:49 |
| \sh | sudo ln -s /usr/bin/man /usr/bin/woman | 11:49 |
| ivoks | :) | 11:49 |
| ogra | dholbach, :=) | 11:49 |
| thesaltydog | let me do debuil a moment... | 11:49 |
| ivoks | No manual entry for woman | 11:49 |
| thesaltydog | debuild | 11:49 |
| ivoks | what's woman? | 11:49 |
| ivoks | :) | 11:49 |
| ogra | w.o. | 11:49 |
| ogra | without ? | 11:50 |
| dholbach | so WTF reviews MY packages? :) | 11:50 |
| \sh | dholbach: u have to w8 until we're finished with cxx ;) | 11:51 |
| dholbach | alright :) | 11:51 |
| dholbach | i completely understand :) | 11:51 |
| dholbach | i just wanted to break a record with the "istanbul" package | 11:51 |
| \sh | but if at least 2 can review kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts_0.1-1ubuntu1 | 11:51 |
| dholbach | but nevermind me :) | 11:51 |
| ogra | dholbach, i think i could need it for edubuntu.... | 11:52 |
| thesaltydog | dholbach, so, no more warnings, but still only one changelog.Debian.gz | 11:52 |
| \sh | riddell will be 3, we can move it into universe, from universe to main, and voil we have kewlish konqui shortcuts for ubuntu wiki, ubuntu wiki search and ubuntu bugzilla | 11:52 |
| dholbach | thesaltydog: could you upload it? | 11:52 |
| dholbach | thesaltydog: i'll have another look | 11:52 |
| thesaltydog | ok. a minute. | 11:52 |
| dholbach | ogra: it ROCKS | 11:53 |
| ogra | dholbach, yes, its nice :) | 11:53 |
| dholbach | ogra: you installed it? | 11:53 |
| thesaltydog | dholbach, done | 11:54 |
| ogra | dholbach, nope... not yet, but i watched the little nice demo of "the never answering brother" *g* | 11:54 |
| \sh | argl | 11:54 |
| dholbach | ogra: he's so annoying :) | 11:54 |
| dholbach | thesaltydog: you can remove the postinst, it doesnt do anything if you have a closer look | 11:57 |
| Amaranth | wow, huge lag | 11:58 |
| Amaranth | or did you guys just not talk for 4 minutes? | 11:58 |
| thesaltydog | in the last line it runs update-menus during configuration | 11:58 |
| uniq | just not talk. | 11:59 |
| Amaranth | then no one in any channel talked for 4 minutes | 11:59 |
| ogra | meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in some minutes for everyone who isnt aware | 12:00 |
| Amaranth | which i doubt for #ubuntu, they overflow my 3000 line scrollback in less than 4 hours | 12:00 |
| ogra | actually one minute :) | 12:00 |
| Amaranth | wha? | 12:00 |
| Amaranth | wow, my timezone math sucks | 12:00 |
| thesaltydog | dholbach, did you see update-menus? | 12:00 |
| dholbach | thesaltydog: i have another look | 12:01 |
| thesaltydog | tell me | 12:01 |
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