[12:06] <SquishyWaffle> Quick question for you guys, do most of you use cdbs for packaging or just do it with debhelper?
[12:06] <tseng> we do cdbs for new packages where it makes sense
[12:07] <SquishyWaffle> What qualified 'makes sense'? I haven't actually used cdbs so I'm not sure when you'd use it
[12:07] <tseng> well cdbs is about inheritance
[12:07] <tseng> once you override every function to do something nonstandard..
[12:07] <tseng> was it worth it?
[12:08] <SquishyWaffle> ah, ok
[12:09] <SquishyWaffle> So for packages where you are just tossing files down rather than compiling anything, am I beter off with debhelper or cdbs? This is mainly what I was pondering for java stuff.
[12:09] <tseng> youd have to talk to wasabi about java stuff
[12:09] <tseng> I havent the slightest.
[12:09] <tseng> is there a reason he isnt in here?
[12:11] <uniq> i'd suggest looking at the source of a similar package.
[12:12] <SquishyWaffle> yeah, I'm still trying to figure out how it all works :)
[12:33] <Unfrgiven> \sh: ping?
[12:34] <Unfrgiven> morning all
[12:34] <tseng> hi
[12:34] <tseng> \sh went to sleep
[12:34] <Unfrgiven> tseng: bummer... looks like i missed him by like an hour...
[03:58] <HostingGeek> Look you are going to get more complaints if you have that in the topic
[03:58] <HostingGeek> you know this genration
[04:16] <ajmitch> hello all
[08:48] <DanielN> argh
[08:48] <DanielN> can't understand that
[08:54] <Unfrgiven> DanielN: cant understand what?
[09:02] <DanielN> Unfrgiven: my orig.tar.gz size is bigger, than noted in the md5sum...
[09:03] <Unfrgiven> so why dont you redownload the md5sum and the tarball just to make sure?
[09:07] <DanielN> i am just sure
[09:08] <DanielN> got error, if i want to install ith with apt-get source
[09:14] <Unfrgiven> DanielN: im sorry, i dont follow
[09:30] <DanielN> Unfrgiven: i made a package myself.. and now, debian/control contains a wrong .orig.tar size entrie
[09:31] <DanielN> Unfrgiven: and this ends up in an error msg, if you want to get source via apt
[09:32] <\sh> size entry in control?
[09:33] <\sh> good morning btw
[09:33] <DanielN> argh
[09:33] <DanielN> good morning
[09:33] <DanielN> its in the Source file i mean
[09:33] <DanielN> Sources
[09:33] <DanielN> argh2
[09:36] <DanielN> and in the .dsc file too
[09:36] <DanielN> 30418 .. but orig.tar.gz is 30420 big
[09:36] <\sh> DanielN: redo the dsc and all
[09:37] <\sh> remove .diff.gz, .dsc
[09:37] <\sh> enter the debianized source
[09:37] <\sh> and debuild -S
[09:37] <DanielN> \sh: i can try it...
[09:37] <\sh> hmmm
[09:37] <\sh> i have another problem
[09:42] <DanielN> argh
[09:42] <DanielN> i found the fscking error
[09:42] <DanielN> i created a new .orig.tar.gz and didn't upload it... so that's why there's an md5sum mismatch error
[09:43] <\sh> then u need to make a source upload
[09:44] <DanielN> yeah
[09:44] <DanielN> but i don't know, how this works
[09:45] <DanielN> cause it happens always an not source upload, when im packaging :)
[09:45] <\sh> debuild -S -sa
[09:56] <DanielN> \sh: thanks alot
[09:57] <\sh> u're welcome
[10:02] <\sh> wuahahahaha
[10:02] <\sh> i don't believe it
[10:02] <\sh> kdolphin is using my picture of a debian sarge box, which I found in someones onlineshop...now there is a japanese announcement of debian sarge with a german sarge box *rotfl*
[10:03] <jsgotangco> lol
[10:03] <jsgotangco> hehe
[10:03] <\sh> http://www.kdolphin.org/?p=14
[10:26] <siretart> morning
[10:27] <\sh> hey siretart
[10:38] <GheRivero> re
[11:13] <siretart> gn8 Amaranth
[11:33] <ofr> hello
[12:00] <\sh> hi ofr
[12:01] <ajmitch> \sh: what packages did you upload that I was working on?
[12:02] <\sh> ajmitch: moment...i will tell u just now
[12:02] <ajmitch> I saw libcommoncpp2
[12:02] <ajmitch> which was already uploaded, but did need resynced again
[12:02] <\sh> ajmitch: libcommoncpp2 has a new debian package, i synced it and uploaded
[12:03] <\sh> waiting for the archives
[12:03] <\sh> libccscript
[12:03] <\sh> i uploaded
[12:03] <\sh> and compiled..see bugzilla
[12:03] <\sh> libccrtp also new packages, w8 for build (depends on libcommoncpp2)
[12:03] <\sh> and i think libccaudio
[12:03] <\sh> also uploaded but not compiled right now
[12:04] <ajmitch> I didn't get any new mail from bugzilla
[12:04] <\sh> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11542
[12:04] <\sh> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11542
[12:04] <\sh> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11099
[12:04] <\sh> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11540
[12:05] <\sh> some of them they didn't have a bugzilla entry until yesterday
[12:06] <ajmitch> I don't know if it was really necessary to rename libcommoncpp2-1.3
[12:06] <\sh> ajmitch: debian did it as well
[12:06] <ajmitch> since there was never any binary in ubuntu built against the old api
[12:06] <\sh> and kamion wanted this rename
[12:06] <ajmitch> s/api/abi/
[12:06] <ajmitch> ok..
[12:07] <ajmitch> I guedss just to keep everything in line with debian
[12:07] <\sh> we had a discussion yesterday on #u-d
[12:07] <\sh> ajmitch: i had to adjust debian/control c/r lines
[12:08] <ajmitch> obviously :)
[01:31] <\sh> doko: can u check universe/libs/libccaudio_1.1.2-1ubuntu1: Not-For-Us [optional:out-of-date] 
[01:34] <ivoks> hi
[01:37] <\sh> hey ivoks
[01:40] <ivoks> sorry, i'm not too much help these days..
[01:40] <ivoks> i didn't sleep last few nights... i have so many things to do on faculty
[01:42] <ivoks> well... just camed to say hi
[01:42] <ivoks> back to drawing board
[01:43] <ivoks> bye
[01:57] <ofr> hi
[02:00] <Unfrgiven> \sh: hi
[02:06] <\sh> hi Unfrgiven
[02:06] <Unfrgiven> how r u
[02:07] <Unfrgiven> ive tried doing gmetadom
[02:07] <Unfrgiven> but its dependant on findlib
[02:07] <Unfrgiven> and findlib doesnt currently build :(
[02:07] <\sh> Unfrgiven: yeah I know..waiting for ocaml to build correctly
[02:07] <Unfrgiven> \sh: damn ocaml :P
[02:08] <\sh> ofr: u r the one from telepolis?
[02:08] <\sh> Unfrgiven: lemme check...doko uploaded it again the last time
[02:09] <ofr> sh: yeah. i havent written anything for tp in a long time, though
[02:09] <ofr> sh: so who are you? :)
[02:11] <\sh> ofr: well, an old fart, who dealt with harald m. a long time ago :)
[02:17] <ofr> sh: what are you working on in ubuntu=
[02:17] <ofr> ?
[02:21] <tseng> hi
[02:23] <Unfrgiven> tseng: gday
[02:26] <\sh> ofr: motu :)
[02:26] <\sh> ofr: kde stuff
[02:26] <ofr> yeah, what packages?
[02:26] <ofr> i see
[02:26] <\sh> ofr: well depends...python-kde3 ;)
[02:26] <\sh> ofr: sometimes things i
[02:27] <\sh> I'm using every day...some server software like jabberd2 etc.
[02:28] <ogra> http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07?seemore=y#2005-06-07-ubuntu
[02:29] <ogra> absolutely worth a look :)
[02:29] <tseng> Unfrgiven: hi.
[02:29] <Unfrgiven> tseng: how goes it
[02:30] <tseng> fine thanks
[02:32] <Unfrgiven> ogra: very interesting indeed
[02:32] <ofr> i followed tha instructions on pbuilder
[02:33] <\sh> that reminds me to write a follow up article on pbuilder for our next release backporters section :)
[02:34] <ofr> how do i manage to create packages that are correctly tagged ubuntuX?
[02:35] <Gervystar> ofr: dch ?
[02:35] <ofr> oh yhea
[02:35] <ofr> did not find it
[02:35] <ofr> which package is it in?
[02:36] <tepsipakki> devscripts
[02:36] <ofr> thanks
[02:36] <tepsipakki> installed it myself a minute ago.. (gaim-rhythmbox on the way)
[02:36] <Unfrgiven> ofr: apt-cache search dch
[02:36] <\sh> apt-file search /usr/bin/dch ;)
[02:37] <Unfrgiven> dpkg -S dch :)
[02:39] <\sh> jesus...libbonobomm1.3-9c2_1.3.8-2.2ubuntu1_*.deb reached the archives..i can work
[02:47] <Unfrgiven> is there anyway that firefox will display the contents of the gz file on lamonts buildlogs? or do i have to download and view it manually?!?!
[02:49] <Treenaks> Unfrgiven: curl http://something | zless :)
[02:49] <ogra> Unfrgiven, hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs
[02:49] <ogra> Unfrgiven, but thats only for the recent builds
[02:50] <ogra> and my server is darn slow
[02:50] <Treenaks> ogra: still no "final" server?
[02:50] <Treenaks> for hwdb
[02:51] <Unfrgiven> Treenaks: thanks.
[02:51] <ogra> Treenaks, simply no time... my boss is laoding me with other "non hwdb" work currently ;)
[02:51] <Treenaks> curl is cool :)
[02:53] <sladen> Unfrgiven: it'll display the .gz, but I think they are .bz2's now?
[02:53] <Treenaks> sladen: curl yadda | bzless :P
[02:57] <Unfrgiven> sladen: i thought that firefox is able to handle compressed output? and the files im looking at are definately .gz
[02:57] <Treenaks> Unfrgiven: content-transer-encoding vs content-type I think
[02:57] <Treenaks> Unfrgiven: it's something in the headers of .gz files vs mod_gzipped content
[02:58] <Unfrgiven> Treenaks: ah right.... curl <file> | zless did not work :(
[02:59] <Unfrgiven> Treenaks: zless is the one with the problem... curl <file> | gzip -d works fine
[03:01] <Treenaks> Unfrgiven: weird
[03:01] <Treenaks> Unfrgiven: well.. curl http://blah | gzip -dc | less should work then :)
[03:01] <Treenaks> Unfrgiven: or use lesspipe
[03:02] <Unfrgiven> Treenaks: thats a lot more effort :P
[03:02] <Unfrgiven> Treenaks: wierd... zless is showing the same output as less
[03:06] <Unfrgiven> anyways goodnight all....
[03:44] <tseng> i wonder how i can lookup static ips
[03:44] <tseng> per host
[03:49] <ofr> what do you mean?
[03:50] <tseng> i want to make livecds for servers that have static ips
[03:50] <Treenaks> tseng: rarp
[03:50] <tseng> they all have exactly the same software (ethereal)
[03:50] <tseng> but different hostnames/static ips
[03:50] <tseng> right now im thinking they can dhcp
[03:50] <Treenaks> tseng: dhcp would work -- if the server works right
[03:50] <tseng> and then lookup a static ip from mysql
[03:50] <tseng> but at that point, i still need a unique identifier persistant
[03:51] <tseng> so i might as well save all the info in a config file
[03:51] <tseng> on the harddisk
[03:51] <tseng> so i can just mount the disk on startup and copy the network file to /etc
[03:52] <tseng> in tmpfs
[03:58] <Riddell> how do I add an attachment on malone?
[03:58] <Lathiat> ask really really nicely
[04:59] <DanielN> time to go home :)
[05:55] <\sh> doko: ping
[05:56] <\sh> doko: please include universe/libs/libbonobouimm1.3_1.3.7-3.1ubuntu1: Not-For-Us [optional:out-of-date] 
[06:00] <doko> \sh: include where?
[06:01] <\sh> doko: this lib is blocked...to compile and to install
[06:11] <doko> libbonobouimm1.3 dep-wait libbonobomm1.3-9c2, so it should build again, when libbonobomm1.3-9c2 is in the archive
[06:12] <\sh> argl.
[06:13] <\sh> doko: it was uploaded yesterday
[06:14] <\sh> doko: and it's on the servers: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libb/libbonobomm1.3/
[06:36] <ogra> woah, tyvis is really hard stuff....
[06:47] <ogra> doko, could it be that you missed libclutils0 ? (Clifton Lab's Utilities.  These are C++ utility classes ....)
[06:47] <ogra> in the package are the .a and the .so files, but they seem broken.... tyvis depends on it...
[06:48] <doko> ogra: maybe, time to fix it ;)
[06:48] <ogra> grrr
[06:49] <ogra> after this transition i dont want any C++ sourcecode nearer the 5m to me....
[06:49] <ogra> never ever !
[06:49] <\sh> ogra: hahahha
[06:50] <doko> heh, what about a C++ t-shirt ...
[06:50] <doko> or a tatoo ...
[06:50] <ogra> grr
[06:50] <\sh> ogra: didn't u want my trolltech shirt? ,-)
[06:51] <ogra> there is so awesome language stuff you can program in.... why did people choose this crap ?
[06:52] <ogra> yay
[06:52] <mgalvin> orga, sadly many school use c++, people get used to it ;(
[06:52] <ogra> mgalvin, i even heard about desktop environments using it.... ;)
[06:53] <jamessan|work> I actually never touched C++ in college. C, Java, and Scheme
[06:53] <jamessan|work> oh, and MIPS asm
[06:53] <ogra> i just need to rant a bit, because this transition stuff is no fun at all for me
[06:54] <mgalvin> thats another great thing about c, it never brakes compat :)
[06:56] <DanielN_> hi all
[06:56] <DanielN_> \sh: thanks for your hint with the source upload, works :)
[06:58] <\sh> ok...
[06:58] <\sh> libccrtp is done..thx to mvo
[06:58] <\sh> bugreport to debian is on its way
[06:59] <\sh> DanielN_: u r welcome:)
[06:59] <\sh> ogra: come on...u have to do some things for it ,)
[07:01] <DanielN_> \sh: but another question: in the orig.tar is debian_stuff, in the source tree i deleted it. if i build the package there's an error who says to me that debian_stuff won't be deleted (and that's correct)
[07:01] <ogra> \sh, i know.... but currently i have the feeling to only waste my time with it.... i have a gazillion important things to do.... if i had _any_ success with at least one package it would be ok... but only finding broken packages my stuff depends on is no fun
[07:02] <\sh> ogra: it's ok...I will take over your packages when I'm finished with mine ;) there r also some stoppers...findlib (ocaml dep) and some others who r depending on gmetadom (ocaml ;))
[07:04] <ogra> \sh, i dont want someone to help, i just want some success here....
[07:08] <\sh> ogra: we need to finish this all
[07:10] <ogra> \sh, at least two of my packages wont build before X is fixed... we simply cant finish it
[07:10] <ogra> another one depends on a package that was not on the list at all, which i'm fixing currently....
[07:11] <\sh> and I think, i will brew some coffee right now, have a nice shower, and lay down for 1 hour
[07:12] <\sh> and when I'm waking up, I will sit in front of this laptop with a redhat fedora ;)
[07:14] <\sh> and listening to strange music
[07:15] <zul> ooh...why
[07:15] <\sh> it's strange really
[07:40] <ogra> could someone with some more C++ insight have a look at warped.... \sh, doko ?
[07:44] <\sh> sure
[07:44] <\sh> name?
[07:44] <ogra> warped
[07:45] <\sh> trans?
[07:45] <\sh> ogra: c2 ?
[07:46] <ogra> oh, but i just see it also has to wait until libclutils has built....
[07:46] <ogra> yep, looks like another missed one
[07:48] <\sh> why is it not on the list?
[07:49] <ogra> i guess doko just looked for dependencys..... neother libclutils nor libwarped have any c++ deps
[07:49] <ogra> neither even
[07:49] <ogra> but they provide c++ functions
[07:49] <\sh> ok
[07:49] <ogra> and are written in c++
[08:06] <ogra> \sh, clutils is ready.... should hit the archive soon
[08:09] <\sh> clutils/20031216-6ubuntu1/ ?
[08:09] <ogra> yep
[08:09] <ogra> it just finished compiling...
[08:37] <\sh> woooot
[08:37] <\sh> who changed p.u.c
[08:37] <\sh> ?
[08:38] <tseng> jdub.
[08:38] <\sh> I love him :)
[08:38] <\sh> it looks fantastic
[08:44] <tseng> hah
[08:44] <ogra> s/feeded/fed
[08:46] <ogra> especially while working on the new lock screen *g*
[08:46] <\sh> ogra: yes..but sometimes I want to see the faces...well hackergotchies ;)
[08:46] <tseng> ogra: "new"?
[08:46] <tseng> im excited.
[08:47] <ogra> it will somehow look like this: http://www.grawert.net/xss_mockup.png
[08:47] <tseng> oh wow
[08:47] <tseng> but with more jdub
[08:47] <ogra> if i ever convince this shitty code to accept xpm
[08:48] <tseng> other user is what
[08:48] <tseng> user switching?
[08:48] <ogra> jwz re-implemented xpm.h in the screensaver itself :(
[08:48] <ogra> yep
[08:48] <tseng> hm
[08:48] <ogra> you already have it....
[08:48] <tseng> I do?
[08:48] <ogra> just with the old ugly lock screen
[08:49] <ogra> if you have 4.21-.....
[08:49] <tseng> my breezy lock screen has no buttons
[08:49] <tseng> updated today
[08:49] <ogra> hmm, funny
[08:49] <ogra> mine has the button....
[08:50] <tseng> is that the real xpm?
[08:50] <tseng> oh maybe i need to restart X
[08:50] <ogra> nope
[08:50] <ogra> just the screensaver....
[08:51] <ogra> hmm, and we should include rss-glx in the default screensaver install....
[08:51] <tseng> yes
[08:52] <tseng> and it should read mjg59's blog
[08:52] <tseng> by default
[08:52] <tseng> "christing fuckmuppets"
[08:54] <ogra> heh
[08:54] <ogra> rss-glx are neat 3D screensavers (rss = really slick screensavers)
[08:54] <ogra> the rss reading ones are in the default install :)
[08:55] <tseng> hm oh
[08:55] <tseng> well my box at work has an i810 chip
[08:55] <tseng> they are probably useless
[08:55] <tseng> rss-glx is already the newest version.
[08:55] <ogra> and i adjusted them to point to planet by default ;) so make mjg59 join planet ;)
[08:56] <tseng> jdub probably wont let him
[08:56] <tseng> they wont let him on planet gnome
[08:56] <ogra> heh
[08:56] <ogra> why ?
[08:56] <Nafallo> tseng: make it a default in blam then ;-)
[08:56] <tseng> because his blogs are very offensive
[08:56] <ogra> oh, good idea
[08:57] <tseng> whats the name of an rss screensaver
[08:57] <Nafallo> tseng: FontGlidesomething...
[08:57] <Treenaks> tseng: phosphor can use it?
[08:58] <tseng> Treenaks: hm?
[08:58] <ogra>  less /usr/share/doc/rss-glx/README.xscreensaver
[08:58] <Treenaks> tseng: the phosphor screensaver
[08:58] <Treenaks> ogra: there is a separate package? what's ljlatest for then? :)
[08:59] <Treenaks> oh THAT rss
[08:59] <ogra> dunno, never heard of it ?
[08:59] <Treenaks> stupid acronym overloading
[08:59] <ogra> hehe
[09:00] <\sh> hmmm....nice
[09:00] <Treenaks> ogra: ljlatest returns the last X entries from an rss file, and stuff like phosphor, noseguy etc. can read from that
[09:00] <Treenaks> s/X/n
[09:00] <\sh> sebastian bergmann released his book "Software Development with PHP5" as opensource
[09:00] <Treenaks> ogra: so you can have noseguy walking around spewing the latest livejournal crap
[09:00] <ogra> Treenaks, thats already built in in the latest xscreensaver, no need for an extra program
[09:00] <ogra> Treenaks, exactly what it does now ;)
[09:00] <Treenaks> ogra: ljlatest used to be included as a separate program in the xscreensaver package
[09:01] <ogra> Treenaks, its included and on by default, pointing to planet.ubuntu.com
[09:01] <Treenaks> ogra: not working for noseguy here, he only tells me my load average
[09:02] <tseng> wow that was so cool it crashed my box
[09:03] <ogra> Treenaks, seems noseguy doesnt use the internal rss parser ...
[09:03] <Treenaks> ogra: oh wait...
[09:03] <Treenaks> ogra: if I remove ~/.xscreensaver and killall xscreensaver
[09:03] <Treenaks> then start xscreensaver-demo and let it start the daemon
[09:03] <ogra> ah, old setting :)
[09:03] <Treenaks> it works
[09:05] <ogra> Treenaks, try FlipText, thats the nicest one imho
[09:05] <Treenaks> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:05] <Treenaks> ogra: I have an ati and breezy...
[09:06] <ogra> poke daniels :) to make an l-r-m package
[09:06] <Nafallo> hmm
[09:06] <Treenaks> ogra: I'll wait for 2.6.12-final before I do that
[09:06] <Nafallo> where is mjg59's blog?
[09:07] <ogra> Nafallo, its on planet.debian.org
[09:11] <Nafallo> hehe
[09:11] <Nafallo> found it ;-)
[09:13] <Treenaks> the pictures might be huge, but I want thumbnails. GO
[09:13] <\sh> Treenaks: gallery2 ;)
[09:13] <Treenaks> \sh: no, my own home-built perl thingy :)
[09:14] <Treenaks> but it's almost choking on my new 8mpix photos from my EOS 350D :)
[09:14] <\sh> Treenaks: why not imagemagick with a oneliner?
[09:14] <Treenaks> \sh: it IS imagemagick, from perl
[09:14] <\sh> s/perl// ;)
[09:14] <Treenaks> \sh: the perl is pretty clean: http://foodfight.org/download/photo/
[09:15] <\sh> oh cgi...
[09:15] <Treenaks> \sh: oui
[09:16] <Treenaks> \sh: I think it's even mod_perl-able
[09:16] <Treenaks> \sh: (Apache::Registry etc.)
[09:18] <Treenaks> \sh: basically, I just put my pics in a dir, and I'm done (except for waiting for thumbnailing)
[09:25] <dholbach> hi
[09:25] <Nafallo> hi DanielN_
[09:25] <\sh> hey dholbach
[09:25] <Nafallo> hi dholbach :-)
[09:25] <dholbach> hey :)
[09:25] <dholbach> so we're really 66 people in here?
[09:25] <dholbach> ROCK :)
[09:26] <Nafallo> and 159 in -devel ;-)
[09:26] <dholbach> we rock so hard :)
[09:26] <mgalvin> hi dholbach
[09:26] <tseng> dholbach: hi
[09:26] <dholbach> hi
[09:27] <dholbach> i feel so welcome in here :)
[09:27] <tseng> dholbach: and they told us not to make the channel
[09:27] <dholbach> haha :)))
[09:28] <dholbach> MOTUNewPackages is A BIT full as well
[09:28] <tseng> i kind of want to freeze it
[09:28] <tseng> until we have a policy for making itps
[09:29] <tseng> or working with the itp filler
[09:29] <\sh> ogra: should i try and fix warp?
[09:29] <tseng> filer?
[09:29] <dholbach> we maybe don't want ITPs
[09:29] <tseng> we want something.
[09:29] <dholbach> yeah... kind of an announcement
[09:29] <tseng> oh i dont want itps in ubuntu
[09:29] <tseng> i want to make sure we file it in debian
[09:29] <dholbach> not in debian as well - they will nail you on those packages
[09:29] <dholbach> :)
[09:29] <tseng> so our package doesnt get overwriten
[09:29] <dholbach> i think i don't want to own packages
[09:29] <Mithrandir> tseng: then we need to have somebody sponsoring those packages into debian.
[09:29] <dholbach> "own"
[09:30] <tseng> Mithrandir: thats not a big problem for me, but I dont know about all this other stuff
[09:30] <dholbach> Mithrandir: i'm not sure about the administrativa, but do we want an RFP maybe?
[09:30] <tseng> Mithrandir: that we are already sponsoring for someone else
[09:30] <tseng> into ubuntu
[09:31] <ogra> \sh, yes, thats why i asked ;)
[09:31] <\sh> I think we shouldn't sponsor any uploads..if they want to upload a package, they should become a motu
[09:31] <tseng> i dont want to add a package in ubuntu and get a different package added to debian
[09:31] <Mithrandir> dholbach: I think we should ask on -devel how it should be handled.  it would be very nice if we could extend the wnpp mechanism to "packaged-in-ubuntu" or something.
[09:31] <Mithrandir> \sh: you're misunderstanding.  You need somebody to sponsor the package into debian.  A DD.
[09:31] <dholbach> Mithrandir: yeah kind of an announcement to make it easier
[09:31] <\sh> Mithrandir: yes...ajmitch can do
[09:31] <tseng> or more recently, have someone file an ITP, me work with that person to fix up the package
[09:31] <tseng> and a 3rd person upload a totally crap package w/o talking to either of us
[09:31] <dholbach> \sh: he will kill us for 426767964 packages in 468794269426 new revisions :)
[09:32] <tseng> Mithrandir: is there a policy about ^ ?
[09:32] <Mithrandir> \sh: that's way too much for a single person.  sponsoring is a lot of work.
[09:32] <\sh> dholbach: hmmm..I don't want to go the DD way
[09:32] <dholbach> \sh: collaboration on packages is the easiest way
[09:32] <dholbach> \sh: the only way in my eyes
[09:33] <\sh> Mithrandir: it works like this: we're reviewing the packages, and we decide if it's ok or not..ajmitch + other DDs in the Ubuntu Project will have the last word
[09:33] <Mithrandir> tseng: about not respecting ITPs?  It's considered a bit rude and it usually ends with "sure, you take it" from one of the packagers.  It's seldom malicious.
[09:33] <tseng> Mithrandir: well the package that was uploaded is wrong.
[09:33] <Mithrandir> tseng: well, then bugs must be filed; that's kinda irrelevant, really. :-)
[09:33] <Mithrandir> \sh: any DD uploading something to Debian is signing the source with his own key and thereby taking responsibility for the upload.
[09:34] <tseng> eh as long as he hands it over I guess
[09:34] <dholbach> is RicardoMarkiewicz here?
[09:34] <tseng> i already got the first guy to fix his package
[09:34] <Mithrandir> tseng: it's usually an issue of missing or mis-communication.
[09:35] <tseng> yes i need to publish this mono packaging policy and then start beating people over the head with it
[09:35] <tseng> people are still reading old docs.
[09:36] <dholbach> does anybody know RicardoMarkiewicz ircnick?
[09:36] <\sh> Mithrandir: right...so what is the best way...filing ITP and w8?
[09:36] <dholbach> \sh: filing ITP means "i will maintain this package in debian until i die" :)
[09:37] <\sh> and if kde app is not running on noscreen s390 mode, it's rejected?
[09:37] <tseng> dude, m68k
[09:37] <\sh> hmmm
[09:37] <tseng> its the wave of the future.
[09:37] <Nafallo> I thought all that changed with etch?
[09:37] <plugwash> dholbach i'm sure people can stop maintaining packages in debian can't they
[09:38] <tseng> plugwash: you can orphan is
[09:38] <tseng> *it
[09:38] <\sh> I would say: lets start filing ITPs with "He Man <motu@ubuntu-motu.org>"
[09:38] <tseng> then someone has to pick it up or I think its removed.
[09:38] <Nafallo> isn't debian walking the "support 4 most popular arches" road now?
[09:38] <Mithrandir> \sh: there hasn't been a large-scale effort similar to what we're doing here before, so we need to establish a sane and reasonable set of policies.
[09:38] <\sh> Mithrandir: yes...malone if debian wants or not
[09:39] <\sh> and now i have to go to mako and tell him my anti-debian mood ,-)
[09:39] <tseng> \sh: eh you keep going for launchpad stuff as the solution
[09:39] <Mithrandir> \sh: malone is irrelevant in this context.  I'm talking about what we need to do in relation to debian.
[09:39] <tseng> launchpad just doesnt work at this point
[09:39] <Mithrandir> \sh: if people start filing ITPs, they need to follow through and maintain the packages in Debian too.
[09:39] <dholbach> plugwash: yeah... i was merely kidding, but ITP doesn't mean "i will have a look at the source code" - the text really talks of "owning"
[09:39] <dholbach> and since it's a administrative device of debian, i'm not sure, if we want to use it "on the fly"
[09:39] <\sh> Mithrandir: if you think about a roleaccount, it doesn't matter who of us will touch the package, we will be one person towards debian
[09:40] <tseng> that doesnt fit in the model \sh
[09:40] <Mithrandir> \sh: that's so not how Debian works.
[09:40] <tseng> one person owns one package
[09:40] <\sh> bah...it's all to difficult
[09:40] <tseng> teams are a new concept.
[09:41] <tseng> there are x, mono, gnome teams, but its still not really what you are saying
[09:41] <\sh> tseng: so gentoo style
[09:41] <tseng> gentoo style is shithouse
[09:42] <\sh> tseng: i mean "herds" when it's working
[09:42] <tseng> \sh: i managed the gentoo desktop project for some months, if you recall
[09:42] <\sh> tseng: yepp
[09:42] <tseng> herds dont give accountability at all
[09:42] <Mithrandir> for a lot of packages, a team approach doesn't make sense.
[09:42] <Mithrandir> mail-handling team, for instance?
[09:43] <tseng> entire teams disappear, and no one new is joining, its a very loose structure
[09:43] <\sh> Mithrandir:why not?
[09:43] <Mithrandir> maintaining mutt, gnus, exim4, postfix, mailman and everything else which touches mail.
[09:43] <tseng> and leaves one person, or no one at all holding a big bag
[09:43] <Mithrandir> (yes, and gnu hello)
[09:43] <tseng> yeah some teams seem related but arent like that
[09:43] <tseng> no one uses 4 mtas
[09:44] <tseng> gnome or mono makes sense, its a stack
[09:44] <Mithrandir> \sh: which team would maintain chrpath?  pkg-config? sash? fortune-mod-bofh-excuses?
[09:44] <tseng> you need to coordinate.
[09:44] <Amaranth> smeg 0.7.4 is universe but i just released 0.7.5, how do i get it in?
[09:44] <Mithrandir> (those are a few of my packages in Debian, fwiw)
[09:44] <Amaranth> put it on MOTUNewPackages again?
[09:44] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: MOTU ;-)
[09:44] <tseng> Amaranth: no
[09:44] <Amaranth> or can i just find a sponsor this time and go
[09:44] <tseng> Amaranth: just prepare a new source package and give to whoever sponsored it
[09:44] <Amaranth> ajmitch: ping?
[09:44] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: for some, sure.  For some, absolutely not.  pkg-config is apparently trivial, but not.
[09:45] <Mithrandir> or we could end up with a zillion teams.  python-based-webapps team for instance (where pyblosxom would fit).
[09:45] <tseng> thats where gentoo is
[09:45] <tseng> a bunch of loose teams that make no sense
[09:46] <tseng> debian has a few sensible teams
[09:46] <dholbach> Amaranth: MOTUToReview
[09:46] <Mithrandir> I think trying to say "team for everything" might be trying to fit a large amount of square pegs in a different amount of round holes. :-)
[09:46] <tseng> and 1000 disconnected maintainers
[09:46] <zul> the gentoo way
[09:46] <Mithrandir> tseng: sure, debian's model isn't perfect either, but trying to come up with The Single Solution is either nontrivial or not possible.
[09:47] <zul> wohoo..
[09:47] <Amaranth> dholbach: Put it up there? I've already gone through MOTUNewPackages to get 0.7.4 in
[09:47] <Mithrandir> yeah, and we'd have a norwegian team for maintaining the norwegian spellchecking dictionaries.  I guess that team would have a single member. :P
[09:47] <tseng> Mithrandir: all i want is a way to proactively push changes to debian
[09:47] <\sh> Amaranth: u r no motu?
[09:47] <tseng> not that many DD's watch ~scott
[09:47] <Amaranth> \sh: nope, no signed key
[09:47] <dholbach> Amaranth: unless you're a motu, you have to get stuff reviewed
[09:48] <Mithrandir> tseng: ok, lets lean back and look at the different problems?
[09:48] <dholbach> Amaranth: for a new revision it's just one review
[09:48] <tseng> Mithrandir: yep
[09:48] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: baah, you might soon convert me to norwegian anyway ;-)
[09:48] <tseng> the major problem case for me is this:
[09:48] <Mithrandir> tseng: one is making sure bugs we fix are fixed in debian as well.
[09:48] <Amaranth> dholbach: I thought my sponsor was the one that had to review it for a new revision.
[09:48] <tseng> I package something, say Beagle
[09:48] <Mithrandir> tseng: another is making sure that anything which MOTUs package end up with a compatible packaging in Debian.
[09:48] <tseng> someone else doesnt know/care about ubuntu
[09:48] <\sh> Amaranth: u have a possibility to send me your passport or identity card via fax?
[09:48] <dholbach> Amaranth: everybody can do it
[09:48] <tseng> and files an ITP w/ their own package
[09:48] <dholbach> Amaranth: every maintainer/ MOTU
[09:49] <tseng> his package is just wrong
[09:49] <tseng> he doesnt know the mono policies
[09:49] <dholbach> \sh: we have a process for that, including notaries
[09:49] <Amaranth> \sh: as soon as i find my ID i could scan it, don't think i could fax
[09:49] <dholbach> \sh: somewhere on the wiki...
[09:49] <\sh> dholbach: really?
[09:49] <Mithrandir> tseng: if Debian has the same set of policies, you can just file bugs in bugs.d.o
[09:49] <tseng> I can, but i already made a package thats correct
[09:49] <Mithrandir> tseng: and say "hey, I do actually maintain mono stuff in Ubuntu, how about we cooperate and I feed you patches"
[09:49] <tseng> it feels like working backwards to make someone else fix it
[09:50] <dholbach> \sh: nobody will blame you for what you keysign
[09:50] <dholbach> \sh: normally this goes to mako
[09:50] <Mithrandir> tseng: then you need to convince the maintainer that your solution is nice and correct and he'll take that instead of his own.
[09:50] <Mithrandir> tseng: now, why would such a situation happen in the first place?
[09:50] <tseng> because we dont file ITP for our new packages
[09:50] <Mithrandir> tseng: probably because the maintainer didn't know about your package.
[09:51] <tseng> yes.
[09:51] <Mithrandir> people are lazy, so even if he actively doesn't care about ubuntu, he'll probably start from your package.
[09:51] <Mithrandir> (if he knows about it)
[09:51] <\sh> dholbach: if there is a rule..I will follow this rule :)
[09:51] <tseng> so can we list new packages in ubuntu that arent in debian?
[09:51] <tseng> something.
[09:52] <\sh> tseng: packages.gz comparing
[09:52] <Mithrandir> tseng: if we can make that list and put it somewhere the Debian maintainers might look, that would be a good start.
[09:52] <tseng> hm awk out the name
[09:52] <Nafallo> tseng: something like IIU (Is In Ubuntu)?
[09:52] <tseng> and diff the sorted list
[09:52] <tseng> Nafallo: yes if it was on WNPP
[09:52] <tseng> it would be a no-brainer
[09:52] <\sh> tseng: only source packages
[09:52] <tseng> \sh: yep.
[09:53] <Mithrandir> \sh: wnpp is all about source packages.
[09:53] <Nafallo> tseng: right.
[09:53] <Mithrandir> I think ITP is wrong, since the MOTU isn't going to find a sponsor and push it into debian and maintain it there, he's more "looking for Debian maintainer".
[09:53] <Mithrandir> which is kinda-ish RFP, but not quite.
[09:53] <tseng> yeah its sort of in between
[09:53] <Amaranth> anyone wanna review smeg for me? :) it's on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUToReview
[09:53] <Mithrandir> it's almost an RFA. :P
[09:53] <Mithrandir> (request for adoption)
[09:54] <tseng> well i already have a sponsor for f-spot, I dont mind doing that
[09:54] <tseng> but I see why we cant do it for everything
[09:54] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: hehe, sounds like a bug+patch against wnpp would be a solution. add IIU or something ;-).
[09:54] <Mithrandir> tseng: what do you mean by "everything" here?
[09:54] <tseng> everything in universe and not in debian
[09:54] <\sh> ogra: ping
[09:54] <tseng> we have a steadily growing list of MOTUNewPackages
[09:55] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: I think this is a social problem and we should solve it on a social level first, then implement the technical details.
[09:55] <dholbach> tseng: i'm working on it
[09:55] <tseng> which means steadily more conflicts in the future
[09:55] <Mithrandir> tseng: ok, so the diff + a blacklist?
[09:55] <tseng> yep.
[09:55] <tseng> ill try it
[09:55] <Mithrandir> ok, so how do we want to handle the case of a package being removed in Debian due to orphaning, for instance?
[09:55] <\sh> ogra: regarding warp, it looks like, that this bloody software doesn't include <stdint.h> but configure finds it, but didn't declare the conditional var
[09:56] <tseng> is that not dropped from ubuntu?
[09:56] <Mithrandir> tseng: I think it is today, yes.
[09:56] <tseng> hm oh damn
[09:56] <tseng> we have to compile universe/multiverse/main sources.gz
[09:57] <Mithrandir> tseng: do you know how conflicts between apt-get.org imports and universe were handled?
[09:57] <ogra> \sh, can you fix it ?
[09:57] <tseng> no.
[09:57] <elmo> http://people.ubuntu.com/~james/paste/012.txt
[09:57] <\sh> ogra: I'm trying
[09:57] <elmo> Mithrandir: a-g.o wasn't allowed to override main.. or I think universe, tho I'm not 100% on the latter
[09:57] <elmo> that doesn't take into account a-g.o, but I can probably do that trivially
[09:58] <elmo> that's only universe, not main..
[09:58] <dholbach> apt-get.org: i had a look which packages we already had
[09:58] <tseng> zcat Sources.gz | grep Package | awk '{print $2}' | sort | uniq
[09:58] <dholbach> i had a script sorting that out for me from the Sources - file of the repositories
[09:58] <tseng> we'll have to build that up from each component
[09:58] <Mithrandir> we actually have a banana package?
[09:58] <tseng> and then diff.
[09:58] <Mithrandir> is it built from the dpkg source package?
[09:59] <dholbach> ?
[09:59] <dholbach> the source package is banana, the binary package php-banana
[10:00] <tseng> Mithrandir: im guilty of the second use case also, i didnt push bugfixes to the blam maintainer (even though they were against the new version)
[10:00] <Mithrandir> dholbach: keybuk tends to use a banana package when talking about some stuff in dpkg and so on.
[10:00] <tseng> i am working w/ him now, though
[10:00] <Mithrandir> dholbach: it has the most utterly useless description I've _ever_ seen.
[10:00] <dholbach> Mithrandir: oh :)))
[10:00] <dholbach> Mithrandir: that's my fault, i overlooked it, i else wouldnt have permitted it to go in
[10:01] <dholbach> Mithrandir: fabbione already $"&)/$"&)/$"&)/&$" me for that... he did it hard
[10:01] <Mithrandir> so, we're at about 130 ubuntu specific packages.  It would be nice if that was a bit closer to zero.
[10:01] <Mithrandir> elmo: that list includes main?
[10:01] <Mithrandir> hm, no, I don't think so.
[10:02] <tseng> yeah i dont see g-a-i
[10:03] <tseng> Out-of-date BUT modified: 206 (2.55%)
[10:03] <\sh> grmpf
[10:03] <tseng> sucks
[10:03] <Mithrandir> that would also be nice to get a bit closer to zero
[10:04] <Mithrandir> so, what's a sensible way to work at this?
[10:04] <tseng> what constitutes a blacklist?
[10:04] <tseng> that list is much larger than id expect
[10:05] <Mithrandir> isn't blacklisted c++ apps and stuff?
[10:05] <tseng> oh thats right
[10:05] <tseng> no wonder its so large
[10:05] <tseng> i thought it was only mis-versioned e-d-s from unstable and such
[10:06] <tseng> maybe we can start by knocking out the 206 unmergeable things and seeing what is left in ~scott?
[10:06] <tseng> see if its reasonable to start files bugs or bugging maintainers
[10:07] <Mithrandir> uhm, the 206 stuff isn't unmergeable, it's just not up-to-date wrt debian.  Which might mean we need to file a few hundred patches. :)
[10:07] <tseng> yeah, if we merge it we'll see what we did to the package
[10:07] <tseng> in alot of cases its probably desireable to merge id guess
[10:07] <tseng> merge "upstream"
[10:08] <tseng> i cant imagine we changed 206 packages just for fun
[10:08] <Mithrandir> heh
[10:09] <tseng> im just imagining if we dont start clearing things up now
[10:09] <tseng> it will become unmanageable
[10:09] <Mithrandir> yes
[10:09] <tseng> only dholbach will be able to make sense of it
[10:09] <tseng> mapped onto 6 pages of wiki magic voodoo
[10:09] <\sh> i don't see the error
[10:10] <tseng> \sh: the error of having 206 packages with merge conflicts to debian?
[10:10] <\sh> tseng: nono
[10:10] <\sh> warped
[10:10] <dholbach> the MOM list is DAMN long
[10:10] <tseng> oh.
[10:11] <\sh> g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../src/warped -I../src/warped -I../src -I../src -I/usr/include/mpi -I/usr/include/pccts -g -O2 -MT Serializable.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/Serializable.Tpo -c warped/Serializable.cpp  -fPIC -DPIC
[10:11] <\sh> warped/warped.h:39: error: 'INT64_MAX' was not declared in this scope
[10:11] <\sh> warped/warped.h:40: error: 'INT64_MIN' was not declared in this scope
[10:11] <ogra> \sh, same here with vdk2....
[10:11] <\sh> but everything is correct
[10:11] <\sh> ogra: include stdint?
[10:11] <\sh> ogra: include stdint.h?
[10:11] <\sh> can it be, that stdint.h has a bug inside in the c99 defs?
[10:14] <ivoks> hi
[10:14] <dholbach> hi ivoks
[10:14] <ogra> \sh, i didnt mean the same error....
[10:15] <ivoks> ok, i packaged new version of wifi-radar :)
[10:15] <ivoks> but, still can't upload :)
[10:15] <ogra> \sh, i meant i dont see the error...
[10:15] <dholbach> ivoks: you're still on CommunityCouncilAgenda?
[10:15] <ivoks> I am?!
[10:15] <ivoks> yeah... i tried to remove my self, but page was locked
[10:16] <\sh> argl
[10:16] <\sh> OGRA !
[10:16] <\sh> i'm stupid and u r stupid too
[10:16] <\sh> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=268250
[10:16] <tseng> wow.
[10:17] <ivoks> when in meeting?
[10:17] <\sh> sorry
[10:17] <ivoks> s/in/is :(
[10:17] <elmo> http://people.ubuntu.com/~james/paste/013.txt
[10:17] <tseng> 20:00 UTC
[10:17] <elmo> ^--- including a.g.o
[10:17] <\sh> that was so obvious, that I didn't realize to look on this page
[10:17] <tseng> er no
[10:17] <dholbach> tseng: 22:00 utc
[10:17] <\sh> 22:00 utc
[10:17] <ivoks> 20:00 UTC? that was 17 minutes ago?!
[10:17] <tseng> 22
[10:17] <ivoks> ah, ok :)
[10:18] <tseng> i misread the topic, it listed TB first
[10:18] <tseng> which is strangely later
[10:18] <ivoks> yeah... i can't change CommunityCouncilAgenda
[10:18] <ivoks> :(
[10:18] <tseng> so dudes i am on my way home
[10:18] <tseng> cya in a bit
[10:19] <dholbach> bye tseng
[10:19] <ivoks> tseng: bye
[10:20] <ivoks> Insufficient Privileges
[10:20] <ivoks> so...
[10:20] <elmo> FWIW, if that's useful, I can cron it
[10:23] <ivoks> doh...
[10:23] <Mithrandir> elmo: I think it's useful.
[10:23] <ivoks> could someone upload my wifi-radar? :)
[10:24] <\sh> hahaha
[10:25] <ivoks> i have this new version :)
[10:26] <ivoks> \sh: http://www.bitbuilder.com/wifi_radar/ (check out debian packages) :)
[10:28] <ivoks> i'll be back at 22:00 UTC
[10:28] <ivoks> bye
[10:28] <dholbac1> bye ivoks
[10:52] <dholbach> brb
[10:58] <mgalvin> l8r, hopefully i can make it home in time for the meeting
[11:02] <ivoks> elmo: thanks for email
[11:02] <ogra> ivoks, have you cleaned yourself from the agenda already ?
[11:03] <ivoks> i can't
[11:03] <ivoks> i get permisson denied
[11:03] <ogra> huh ?
[11:03] <ivoks> i'll try again
[11:03] <ivoks> i'm confused too :)
[11:04] <ivoks> i tried week ago
[11:04] <ivoks> almost every day :)
[11:05] <ivoks> i don't get edit option
[11:06] <ogra> are you logged in ?
[11:06] <ivoks> :)
[11:06] <ivoks> i can change cxxlibrarylist
[11:06] <ivoks> yes, i'm logged in
[11:07] <ivoks> but on CCA I'm not
[11:07] <ivoks> strange
[11:08] <ogra> i'll clean it, dont worry...
[11:08] <ivoks> i'll try another browser :) maybe some cookie is broken...
[11:08] <ivoks> os something :)
[11:09] <ivoks> nope...
[11:09] <ivoks> same thing
[11:10] <ivoks> i get welcome. you are now logged in
[11:10] <ivoks> but... i don't have permisson to edit anything and it says "Log In", not "My Preferences" as on CxxLibraryList
[11:11] <ivoks> thanx for clearing my name :)
[11:27] <\sh> I don't get it
[11:29] <ivoks> what?
[11:32] <\sh> warped
[11:32] <\sh> stdint.h
[11:32] <\sh> ##c++ says to me, i should use std::numeric_limits
[11:32] <\sh> but this i don't understand...I'm reading just now c++ books :(
[11:33] <Amaranth> can i get someone to review smeg 0.7.5 real quick? it's on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUToReview
[11:34] <Amaranth> it's only about 20-30 lines changed from 0.7.4
[11:35] <ivoks> :)
[11:35] <ivoks> one char is enough to make it a mess
[11:35] <ivoks> 20-30 lines is...
[11:35] <ivoks> calling for disaster :)
[11:35] <Amaranth> pfft
[11:35] <Amaranth> it's python
[11:35] <ivoks> i'm kidding :)
[11:36] <ivoks> techincly i'm not motu yet...
[11:36] <ivoks> my pgp isn't checked and my review wouldn't help you for now...
[11:36] <Amaranth> btw, does being S!2 signed by someone in the strong set help me at all?
[11:37] <ivoks> Amaranth: of course
[11:37] <ogra> Amaranth, do you have the key id ?
[11:37] <Amaranth> well, he isn't in yet either
[11:37] <Amaranth> hehe
[11:37] <Amaranth> he gets signed on thursday
[11:37] <ivoks> he?
[11:37] <Amaranth> the guy that signed me
[11:38] <ivoks> ah...
[11:38] <\sh> ivoks: u r motu
[11:38] <ogra> Amaranth, but his key is on the servers , so do you have his id ?
[11:38] <Amaranth> loading kgpg, hang on
[11:38] <ivoks> \sh: cripled one, yes :)
[11:39] <ivoks> kgpg?
[11:39] <ivoks> Amaranth: it's time to open konsole :)
[11:39] <Amaranth> E11D7813
[11:39] <Amaranth> ivoks: not a kde user
[11:40] <ivoks> no keys found
[11:40] <Amaranth> err
[11:41] <ogra> Amaranth, its not on the keyserver
[11:41] <\sh> ogra: i will look tomorrow...tonight my brain doesn't work anymore
[11:41] <ogra> \sh, i gave up on tse3 too
[11:41] <Amaranth> it is here...
[11:41] <ogra> Amaranth, http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/mk_path.cgi?STAT=A2D06936&STATS=statistics
[11:42] <Amaranth> ogra: and?
[11:42] <ogra> if you get *any* path to me youre fine... just check it after both of your keys are uploaded
[11:42] <\sh> and libmetakit broke on amd64/ia64 as well
[11:42] <Amaranth> oh
[11:42] <Amaranth> bleh
[11:42] <ivoks> ogra: let's check mine :)
[11:42] <Amaranth> i have to get to you?
[11:42] <Amaranth> well, he won't be signed by anyone until thursday, so i'll check then
[11:43] <\sh> libbonobouimm* is also not compiled, libprinterconf also not...
[11:43] <ivoks> oho! there is nice, short path :)
[11:43] <ogra> Amaranth, i'm in the strong connected set, so any kind of connection will be enough
[11:43] <ivoks> two, even :)
[11:43] <\sh> I'm glad, that I know ogra personally ;)
[11:44] <Amaranth> that stupid website tells me my key id is invalid
[11:44] <dholbach> ok
[11:44] <thesaltydog> here I am
[11:44] <ivoks> Amaranth: :)
[11:44] <ogra> hey
[11:44] <\sh> lets check council agenda
[11:44] <dholbach> ./debian/changelog gets copied to /usr/share/doc/changelog.Debian.gz
[11:44] <thesaltydog> yes
[11:45] <ogra> Amaranth, did you upload already ?
[11:45] <dholbach> ./ChangeLog gehts copied to /usr/share/doc/changelog.gz
[11:45] <dholbach> "copied"
[11:45] <thesaltydog> no
[11:45] <thesaltydog> I did that way..
[11:45] <Amaranth> oh, i was reading it wrong
[11:45] <Amaranth> ogra: yes
[11:45] <\sh> it's wrong
[11:45] <ogra> whats wrong ?
[11:46] <thesaltydog> I have put ./ChangeLog and ./debian/changelog, but I have only one changelog.Debian.gz in the package
[11:46] <Amaranth> the way that web interface works
[11:46] <\sh> ./ChangeLog gehts copied to /usr/share/doc/changelog.gz
[11:46] <Amaranth> i was putting one thing in one form and one in the other
[11:46] <dholbach> erm... /usr/share/<package>/changelog.gz :)
[11:46] <dholbach> arg
[11:47] <dholbach> erm... /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.gz :)
[11:47] <ogra> heh
[11:47] <dholbach> don't try to learn from ANY word from me tonight
[11:47] <\sh> dholbach: hehe
[11:47] <thesaltydog> understand... but let me check one minute again
[11:47] <\sh> thesaltydog: u want to install the upstream ChangeLog?
[11:47] <\sh> dh_installchangelogs -k
[11:48] <ogra> dholbach, fix some packages and the frequent shiverig stops immediately.... withdrawal symptoms, you know ? ;)
[11:48] <\sh> thesaltydog: q
[11:48] <thesaltydog> dholbach, I confirm: I have only changelog.Debian.gz in /usr/share/doc/bum/
[11:48] <thesaltydog> \sh it is there..
[11:48] <thesaltydog> -k??
[11:48] <thesaltydog> I didn't put -k!!!
[11:49] <\sh> man dh_installchangelogs
[11:49] <dholbach> ogra: if that was my only problem... :)
[11:49] <\sh> sudo ln -s /usr/bin/man /usr/bin/woman
[11:49] <ivoks> :)
[11:49] <ogra> dholbach, :=)
[11:49] <thesaltydog> let me do debuil a moment...
[11:49] <ivoks> No manual entry for woman
[11:49] <thesaltydog> debuild
[11:49] <ivoks> what's woman?
[11:49] <ivoks> :)
[11:49] <ogra> w.o.
[11:50] <ogra> without ?
[11:50] <dholbach> so WTF reviews MY packages? :)
[11:51] <\sh> dholbach: u have to w8 until we're finished with cxx ;)
[11:51] <dholbach> alright :)
[11:51] <dholbach> i completely understand :)
[11:51] <dholbach> i just wanted to break a record with the "istanbul" package
[11:51] <\sh> but if at least 2 can review kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts_0.1-1ubuntu1
[11:51] <dholbach> but nevermind me :)
[11:52] <ogra> dholbach, i think i could need it for edubuntu....
[11:52] <thesaltydog> dholbach, so, no more warnings, but still only one changelog.Debian.gz
[11:52] <\sh> riddell will be 3, we can move it into universe, from universe to main, and voil we have kewlish konqui shortcuts for ubuntu wiki, ubuntu wiki search and ubuntu bugzilla
[11:52] <dholbach> thesaltydog: could you upload it?
[11:52] <dholbach> thesaltydog: i'll have another look
[11:52] <thesaltydog> ok. a minute.
[11:53] <dholbach> ogra: it ROCKS
[11:53] <ogra> dholbach, yes, its nice :)
[11:53] <dholbach> ogra: you installed it?
[11:54] <thesaltydog> dholbach, done
[11:54] <ogra> dholbach, nope... not yet, but i watched the little nice demo of "the never answering brother" *g*
[11:54] <\sh> argl
[11:54] <dholbach> ogra: he's so annoying :)
[11:57] <dholbach> thesaltydog: you can remove the postinst, it doesnt do anything if you have a closer look
[11:58] <Amaranth> wow, huge lag
[11:58] <Amaranth> or did you guys just not talk for 4 minutes?
[11:58] <thesaltydog> in the last line it runs update-menus during configuration
[11:59] <uniq> just not talk.
[11:59] <Amaranth> then no one in any channel talked for 4 minutes
[12:00] <ogra> meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in some minutes for everyone who isnt aware
[12:00] <Amaranth> which i doubt for #ubuntu, they overflow my 3000 line scrollback in less than 4 hours
[12:00] <ogra> actually one minute :)
[12:00] <Amaranth> wha?
[12:00] <Amaranth> wow, my timezone math sucks
[12:00] <thesaltydog> dholbach, did you see update-menus?
[12:01] <dholbach> thesaltydog: i have another look
[12:01] <thesaltydog> tell me