[12:00] <dabugas> batma8: ahhhh. that _is_ a problem. from what i understand you _can't_. at least, not officially. there are various homebrewn programs, each with their own programs. do a search for "menu editor" at the ubuntuforums
[12:00] <batma8> sweet...
[12:00] <batma8> dabugas: also, my dvd playback is a bit choppy
[12:00] <batma8> any ideas on that?
[12:00] <darkaudit> batma8: is DMA enabled?
[12:01] <dabugas> batma8: personally, i got so fed up with the menus (and some strangeness with nautilus) that i switched to kde. but i don't really reccomend this :)
[12:01] <batma8> how do i tell that
[12:01] <THe_AntiPop> so just run the terminal and type in /install sh. ?
[12:01] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - Do you know how to display ubotu's command variables?
[12:01] <mats> ./install.sh ;)
[12:01] <dabugas> THe_AntiPop: in the terminal in the directory where install.sh is
[12:01] <darkaudit> sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd
[12:01] <joe_> yes antipop
[12:01] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: try "help" ?
[12:01] <IIIEars> not going to change them - good to know what they are though
[12:01] <joe_> well make sure your in the correct directory of course
[12:01] <joe_> you know, cd command
[12:02] <orlandu> xhaker, I haven't run that manually, I just installed from the CD and this was what the installer gave me
[12:02] <batma8> darkaudit: thanks for the tip
[12:02] <darkaudit> np :)
[12:02] <batma8> its kinda hard to configure gnome isnt it
[12:02] <nalioth> THe_AntiPop: ./filename.sh
[12:02] <joe_> i think so to batma
[12:02] <dabugas> batma8: kinda bitchy. but if you're not doing too radical things the interface is generally great.
[12:02] <THe_AntiPop> ok ill try
[12:02] <scizho> does anyone have experience in running pxes with ubuntu
[12:03] <dabugas> can anyone help me with my xkb problem?
[12:03] <joe_> comparing to flux, it is a real brain fuck
[12:03] <batma8> dabugas: even with a bit of configuration problems, especially with my wireless, ive never been happier with my laptop
[12:03] <IIIEars> If you see cafuego ask him to create a changelog string
[12:03] <xhaker> orlandu, what is your graphics card?
[12:03] <orlandu> xhaker, it's a Matrox G550
[12:04] <dabugas> batma8: i really, really like gnome. but as it stands i was defeated enough to switch to kde, which i don't greatly admire.
[12:04] <joe_> anyone of you ever go s-video out running on ubuntu
[12:04] <dabugas> i was fiddling with the keyboard layouts in the kde control center and for some reason the (') has turned into accent and the (") into umlauts. any way I can reset xkb? (just "default"ing everything in the control panel didn't work.)
[12:04] <goldfish> dabugas: tried xfce
[12:04] <joe_> i tried atitvout, but didn't work
[12:04] <goldfish> ?
[12:04] <Jormundgand> How do I install Engage on Ubuntu? The guides aren't terribly helpful and seem to be out of date.
[12:04] <lsuactiafner> how safe is it do upgrade from GLIBC_2.3.3 to GLIBC_2.3.5?
[12:04] <dabugas> goldfish: didn't like the interface either. i switched to openbox + fspanel for a while. but i like the integration the desktops (gnome & kde) have.
[12:05] <batma8> dabugas: i think dma fixed it
[12:05] <lsuactiafner> am running Hoary Hedgehog
[12:05] <dabugas> batma8: great. altho it was darkaudit who gave it to you :)
[12:05] <batma8> oh..ehhe
[12:05] <batma8> darkaudit: THANKS
[12:05] <batma8> eheheh
[12:06] <THe_AntiPop> damn i open the shell script i cliuck run interminal then the terminal flashes for a second and closes
[12:06] <batma8> to add remove programs you just use synaptic right?
[12:06] <thoreauputic> batma8: right - or apt or aptitude
[12:06] <joe_> once again, where on earth is the gnome menu config file stored
[12:06] <dabugas> batma8: yeah. i use the terminal "apt-get" personally, but whatever suits you
[12:06] <joe_> haven't found on etc/gnome
[12:07] <THe_AntiPop> could someone open a privat chat with me
[12:07] <batma8> wish i could configure the start menus tho
[12:07] <batma8> lotta clutter
[12:07] <Evil> hello all :)
[12:07] <raptoid> hello world
[12:07] <Evil> can someone help me please i need help !!
[12:07] <dabugas> [this the third time i post this -- not a flame -- just desperation]  i was fiddling with the keyboard layouts in the kde control center and for some reason the (') has turned into accent and the (") into umlauts. any way I can reset xkb? (just "default"ing everything in the control panel didn't work.)
[12:08] <thoreauputic> THe_AntiPop: open a termianl, cd to the dir it's in, and run it from there with ./nameofscript.sh
[12:08] <chol> dabugas, setxkbmap
[12:09] <joe_> The_AntiPop: what are you trying to do anyway.
[12:09] <joe_> if the script doesn't do what you expect, then open it an post its code
[12:09] <joe_> unless it is not too long of course
[12:09] <orlandu> xhaker, I've created a new xorg.conf using xorgconfig, it asked me if I wanted an oversized desktop and I answered no - hopefully this will work when I reboot! Thanks for the help
[12:09] <Lowe_Gear> hey
[12:10] <Lowe_Gear> i've looked thru the Breezy wiki
[12:10] <Lowe_Gear> having hopped over from Google's Summer of Code page
[12:10] <darkaudit> batma8: glad to help :)
[12:10] <joe_> alright then,   goodnight folks, c u around
[12:10] <Lowe_Gear> am interested in working for one of the bounties, namely LightweightDesktop
[12:10] <Lowe_Gear> is there anybody i can talk to?
[12:11] <coastGNU> mako: ping
[12:11] <nxv_> can i get
[12:11] <hondje> Lowe_Gear: You might want to head to #ubuntu-devel
[12:11] <Lowe_Gear> thanks for the tip
[12:11] <nxv_> what do i have to do to get speedstep for my pentium m running?
[12:11] <hondje> np
[12:12] <IFRFLY1> Anyone know the ubuntu dev irc address? I tried ubuntu-dev and ubuntu-devel to no avail
[12:12] <hondje> IFRFLY1: It should be #ubuntu-devel
[12:12] <thoreauputic> IFRFLY1:  #ubuntu-devel
[12:13] <IFRFLY1> Doh! Just saw it above! Thanks, will try
[12:13] <batma8> is there a good streaming plugin for firefox that alows you to control video input, as in fast forward, and skip around?
[12:13] <IIIEars> ubotu dyndns is http://ubuntuguide.org/#assignhostnametodynamicip
[12:13] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay
[12:14] <dabugas> thoreauputic: the humor of the bot being uboto just occured to me. *rofl*
[12:14] <IIIEars> heh
[12:14] <thoreauputic> dabugas: :)
[12:14] <Evil> can someone help me ? X don't work for me :(
[12:14] <THe_AntiPop> ubotu: you suck
[12:14] <ubotu> THe_AntiPop: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[12:15] <dabugas> sorry, man. late, a bit too much wine, xkb problems, a final due tomorrow... AAAA!
[12:15] <hondje> finals in jun? Poor dabugas
[12:15] <hondje> I did mine a month ago :D
[12:15] <nalioth> brb
[12:15] <sijp> I don't know if I am saying something new to anyone, but;
[12:15] <sijp> http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606
[12:16] <thoreauputic> Evil: try running ` sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ` in a terminal
[12:16] <dabugas> hondje: it gets worse. i have taken a summer session (roughly mid-june to mid-july) AND i'm working for tuition reduction. woohoo :(
[12:16] <THe_AntiPop> ubotu: I am a sad clown. Can you make me happy again?
[12:16] <ubotu> No idea, THe_AntiPop
[12:16] <hondje> I'm doing a summer thing now, finishing gen-ed classes
[12:16] <THe_AntiPop> ubotu: thats too bad
[12:16] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, THe_AntiPop
[12:16] <hondje> right now I'm taking 'speech and communication' ... so intense ;)
[12:16] <THe_AntiPop> ubotu: do you enjoy strap ons?
[12:16] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, THe_AntiPop
[12:16] <dabugas> THe_AntiPop: hehehehe
[12:17] <THe_AntiPop> ubotu: i happen to enjoy popsicles. do you like posicles?
[12:17] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, THe_AntiPop
[12:17] <thoreauputic> THe_AntiPop: stop please - the bot is for info, not fooling around
[12:17] <THe_AntiPop> ok sorry
[12:17] <THe_AntiPop> ubotu: how do i open a shell script?
[12:17] <ubotu> THe_AntiPop: I give up, what is it?
[12:17] <THe_AntiPop> some info bot lol
[12:17] <thoreauputic> THe_AntiPop: if you want to play with him, /msg him ;)
[12:18] <thoreauputic> THe_AntiPop: several people have given you instructions on how to run your install script already
[12:19] <THe_AntiPop> im talking to nalioth
[12:19] <ompaul> thoreauputic, have a nice time under the bridge :) precious, and thanks for the help eariler
[12:19] <batma8> anyone use a decent in browser video player?
[12:20] <hondje> I use the mplayer-firefox thingie
[12:20] <ompaul> night ya all
[12:20] <Chislon> thoreauputic, could i pm u?
[12:20] <batma8> hmm..sometimes with that i get a black screen, and i cant like skip thru the vids
[12:20] <thoreauputic> Chislon: what's it about?
[12:21] <IIIEars> ubotu xhtml is http://www3.telus.net/robitaille/guide/
[12:21] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[12:21] <dabugas> what does ubotu do?
[12:21] <stijnAWAY> can someone highlight me to test my xchat tray icon
[12:21] <nalioth> dabugas: answers questions
[12:21] <hondje> stijnAWAY: ping
[12:21] <thoreauputic> stijnAWAY:
[12:21] <anatole_> stijnAWAY: yay
[12:21] <nalioth> !restricted
[12:21] <IIIEars> stores yips and guide information
[12:21] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:21] <jetscreamer> i hate that tray icon i got rid of it
[12:21] <nalioth> dabugas: like so
[12:21] <dabugas> nalioth: what is the syntax?
[12:22] <anatole_> stijnAWAY: does it work? then i need it :p
[12:22] <dabugas> ah
[12:22] <dabugas> !sex
[12:22] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, dabugas
[12:22] <thoreauputic> Chislon: you can pm me - but I have to go in a few minutes
[12:22] <stijnAWAY> it works
[12:22] <stijnAWAY> :)
[12:22] <dabugas> !gamepad
[12:22] <ubotu> dabugas: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[12:22] <anatole_> where to get it?
[12:22] <stijnAWAY> apt-get
[12:22] <stijnAWAY> :)
[12:22] <nalioth> dabugas: !subject-in-question
[12:22] <Chislon> thoreauputic, i was just going to ask if you had any ideas on this : i tried the kde instant messange program to see if i liked it, going through that, a kde wallet thing then came up, and went through a little thing and had me set up a wizard, then asked me to use that password to enter into the kdewallet, but i try that password and it says something like read error, possibly wrong password, i have also tried several variants of
[12:22] <Chislon>  how i might have mistyped the password... but i cant get it to work so i dont know what to do
[12:22] <lsuactiafner> very very lagged to this network
[12:22] <IIIEars> Be careful guys if you think the bot is useful. - filling his head with wrong ideas will send him on to bot heaven
[12:22] <nalioth> dabugas: ubotu is still bein trained
[12:23] <Jormundgand> Okay, I want to install Engage for the whole bar thing since I like the concept of a bar with applications on at easy reach, but I look for info on installing it and people give instruction on installing all the rest of the Enlightenment junk. I only want Engage, what do I do?
[12:23] <dabugas> nalioth: yes, please house-train him/she/it. also, teach him/she/it !sex. :)
[12:23] <stijnAWAY> anatole_, try  $ apt-get install xchat-systray
[12:23] <nalioth> IIIEars: actually the bot is a pain in the bloody rear parts
[12:23] <lsuactiafner> is it a bad idea to upgrade from GLIBC_2.3.3 to GLIBC_2.3.5?
[12:23] <lsuactiafner> on hoary?
[12:23] <nalioth> dabugas: not my bot
[12:24] <anatole_> thx stijnAWAY, working on it:p
[12:24] <IIIEars> no doubt - he isn't very smart. yet.
[12:24] <dabugas> nalioth: not your BOT? then get him/her/it outta my property before i slug him down.
[12:24] <thoreauputic> Chislon: I don't know KDE much - I guess this was kopete? If that doesn't work for you try gaim
[12:24] <dabugas> :p
[12:24] <chol> lsuactiafner, usually with glibc, if you don't know if it's a bad idea or not it probably is
[12:24] <hondje> what he needs is some markov chain goodness, so he can help people randomly and incorrectly while being believable
[12:24] <lsuactiafner>  CTCP PING reply from lsuactiafner: 404.268 seconds
[12:24] <anatole_> stijnAWAY: now, may i restart xchat?
[12:24] <anatole_> or how do i activate it?
[12:24] <Robbie1590> hey anyone willing to help me with something?
[12:25] <Chislon> thoreauputic, its not the kpete program taht didnt work, its the kdewallets program, that saves all my password info in an encrypted file it says... it wont take the password i set it up with to open? its just that kopete is what initiated the wallet program to start
[12:25] <stijnAWAY> restarting it
[12:25] <IIIEars> hondje - intereting
[12:25] <stijnAWAY> worked for me
[12:25] <stijnAWAY> :)
[12:25] <lsuactiafner> bwhahaha
[12:25] <lsuactiafner> seems better now
[12:25] <lsuactiafner> i think..
[12:25] <anatole> then an other time :p
[12:25] <IIIEars> leave a memo for cafuego
[12:25] <hondje> IIIEars: In my chan, we made a troll bot doing that...he'd tell people pi was 3.15, for example
[12:25] <anatole> oh
[12:25] <thoreauputic> Chislon: right - I haven't used the KDE wallrt so i don't know, sorry
[12:25] <thoreauputic> *wallet
[12:25] <hondje> But then people corrupted him, and he just started swearing all day :(
[12:25] <anatole> wooyay
[12:25] <stijnAWAY> that people these days keep ons using win
[12:25] <dabugas> IIIEars & hondje: you're just evil ;)
[12:26] <stijnAWAY> i'm amazed of what linux can do these days
[12:26] <Chislon> thoreauputic, np, thank you
[12:26] <IIIEars> not too sure what hardware ubotu is running on. he uses a lot of ram and the maintainer complains.
[12:26] <Lowe_Gear> sigh. #ubuntu-devel seems to be ignoring me =/
[12:26] <thoreauputic> Chislon: maybe ask in #kubuntu if you haven't already :)
[12:26] <hondje> they're busy contemplating the future
[12:27] <hondje> visionaries and all :)
[12:27] <cikilin> hello
[12:28] <cikilin> does anybody knows how to set gaim on yahoomessenger to send files?
[12:28] <cikilin> but it said to me that i cant
[12:29] <Chislon> thoreauputic, thank you, and yes ive tried
[12:29] <nalioth> the_antipop was on teh LIVE CD. no wonder he coudlnt install anything!!
[12:29] <cikilin> 01:29:20) Offering to send /home/cikilin/Benny Benassi - Love is gonna save us.mp3 to jonnyx26
[12:29] <cikilin> (01:29:21) jonnyx26 cancelled the transfer of Benny Benassi - Love is gonna save us.mp3
[12:29] <lsuactiafner> lolol
[12:30] <lsuactiafner> cikilin : you goin to get bashed for that
[12:30] <cikilin> ok
[12:30] <lsuactiafner> how safe is it to upgrade glibc from 2.3.3 to 2.3.5 on hoary?
[12:30] <lsuactiafner> and what procedure will i need to follow to do that?
[12:30] <cikilin> does anybody knows how to set gaim on yahoomessenger to send files;please
[12:30] <chol> lsuactiafner, usually with glibc, if you don't know if it's a bad idea or not it probably is
[12:30] <lsuactiafner> my nvidia driver needs it
[12:31] <nalioth> cikilin: if anyone knows, they'll answer
[12:31] <lsuactiafner> chol : yeh
[12:31] <cikilin> i only can receive files
[12:31] <cikilin> i cant send it
[12:31] <lsuactiafner> just hoping someone else did it and lived to tell the tale
[12:31] <chol> lsuactiafner, you'll need to recompile mostly everything..
[12:31] <K_Dallas> what options, if any, i should use with cdrecord to verify the CD after burning an iso-image? thanks
[12:32] <lsuactiafner> K_Dallas : man cdrecord
[12:32] <chol> lsuactiafner, there should be a changelog availible for 2.3.3 to 2.3.5 that will give you ideas as to what might break
[12:32] <cikilin> is any chat for gaim?
[12:32] <trr> when i try to use ./configure, shell cannot seem to find the proper program (like gc)
[12:32] <pfp> K_Dallas: or diff /dev/hdX /tmp/myimage.iso
[12:32] <K_Dallas> thanks guys
[12:32] <lsuactiafner> trr : yeh install gcc
[12:32] <trr> where cai i found
[12:33] <nalioth> cikilin: say what?
[12:33] <lsuactiafner> something liek build-essentials
[12:33] <trr> how
[12:33] <nalioth> trr: pkg is called 'build-essential'
[12:33] <goldfish> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:33] <dabugas> is anyone here _not_ a programmer?
[12:33] <nalioth> trr: use synaptic
[12:33] <lsuactiafner> apt-get install build-essential
[12:33] <dabugas> (jus wondering)
[12:33] <nalioth> dabugas: i'm a taxi driver
[12:33] <goldfish> dabugas: im sure there is
[12:33] <cikilin> if there is any channel for gaim
[12:33] <anatole> dabugas: yep :DDDD i'm as far from a programmer as one could be
[12:33] <lsuactiafner> trr : i would install ncurses and the linux kernel source while i'm @ it
[12:34] <lsuactiafner> or just apt-get build-dep package_you_want_to_install
[12:34] <IIIEars> ubotu dk is http://dk.ubuntuguide.org Forfatter: Chua Wen Kiat Oversat af: madzzoni - Thank You
[12:34] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay
[12:34] <benplaut> i'm not a programmer :)
[12:34] <Andril> hello all
[12:34] <K_Dallas> cikilin: visit their webpage, and also try joining #gaim here!
[12:34] <Andril> anyone install NeroLinux?
[12:34] <dabugas> nalioth: well, that's what you do for a living. the question was whether you can program or not. :)
[12:34] <benplaut> i'm a teenager who is trying to look cool by using linux   B^)
[12:34] <benplaut> (j/k)
[12:34] <goldfish> benplaut: lol
[12:34] <lsuactiafner> ok so nobody here has upgraded glibc ro 2.3.5? or more?
[12:35] <K_Dallas> Andril: it is not that exciting afterall
[12:35] <cikilin> ok
[12:35] <benplaut> better than gnomebaker?
[12:35] <dabugas> nalioth: i'm a male secretary. & not a programmer.
[12:35] <nalioth> dabugas: i mostly just chat
[12:35] <nalioth> dabugas: wouldnt know a header from a symlink
[12:36] <Andril> K_Dallas, i need to burn some DVD iso'S WHAT DO YOU PREFER?
[12:36] <nalioth> Andril: nerolinux pales next to k3b
[12:36] <dabugas> the header would have an .h at the end. and the symlink would be turqoise in the xterm :)
[12:36] <benplaut> nalioth: how about compared to gnomebaker?
[12:36] <nalioth> dabugas: ;)
[12:36] <nalioth> benplaut: k3b has the mostest kewlness
[12:36] <IIIEars> Andril k3b is more powerfull gnomebaker is simpler
[12:37] <K_Dallas> Andril: have you tried k3b? (i havent burnt DVDs under linux but i know people use k3b)
[12:37] <lsuactiafner> heh
[12:37] <nalioth> benplaut: Andril k3b and gnomebaker and graveman will all burn iso images
[12:37] <benplaut> yeah
[12:37] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : you there?
[12:37] <nalioth> dabugas: i have made a few pkgs for my PPC box
[12:37] <Andril> thanks guys k3b it is - because GnomeBaker wont do it
[12:37] <benplaut> i used to use KDE, and loved K3B, but i don't want o have to get all those KDE libs...
[12:38] <nalioth> dabugas: i'm sure there are folks who don't program here
[12:38] <Andril> IIIEars, thanks
[12:38] <nalioth> benplaut: theres not that many
[12:38] <Andril> K_Dallas, thanks
[12:38] <K_Dallas> pleasure
[12:38] <Andril> nalioth, thanks
[12:39] <K_Dallas> btw, wouldnt cdrecord burn DVDs, at least ISO images and if so, why not ise mkisofs with it?
[12:39] <IIIEars> Andril "Pay it forward" Linux "community" users are the Redmond OS. ;)
[12:39] <dabugas> nalioth: it's just always a wonder to me that non-techie people (say, me) use linux. :)
[12:40] <nalioth> dabugas: why should it be wonderful? linux is gettin easier to use all the time
[12:41] <dabugas> nalioth: that it is. i still an idiot when it comes to linux, but i've been using it for some time now. still, i can almost never recommend it :(
[12:42] <hondje> I'm still an idiot with linux, but I can easily recommend it to people dumb enough to listen to me :)
[12:42] <benplaut> hondje: i think that goes for the majority of us :)
[12:42] <hondje> You'd think in 5 years I'd have learned something useful :)
[12:42] <syntaxerror64> hi all
[12:42] <benplaut> that's a long time!??
[12:42] <benplaut> hi
[12:43] <tiny_linux> how can i configure dns under ubunto i know what in mandrake by example i can install the follows packages(name and bind) but in ubuntu i don't find the name how can i do? please
[12:43] <nalioth> dabugas: even ubuntu?
[12:43] <hondje> yeah, think of the money I've saved on upgrades and software ;-)
[12:43] <syntaxerror64> i am a new ubuntu user, can someone recommend an email program to me
[12:43] <hondje> tiny_linux: For a dns server? sudo apt-get install bind9
[12:43] <tiny_linux> gaim
[12:43] <benplaut> most people would have done it illegaly...
[12:43] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: do you want to point and click or use the command line?
[12:43] <benplaut> syntaxerror64: Mozilla Thunderbird
[12:43] <hondje> probably, but I'm too lazy to pirate stuff :)
[12:43] <goldfish> syntaxerror64: mozilla thunderbird?
[12:43] <thoreauputic> syntaxerror64: the built-in one - evolution
[12:44] <syntaxerror64> nalioth ~ something like outlook express
[12:44] <dabugas> nalioth: to be frank--especially ubuntu. i mentioned earlier my disappointment with the direction of gnome... ubuntu is a great distro... but gnome has fundamental flaws in my opinion.
[12:44] <syntaxerror64> i would like to do my email and surfing on this machine and not on my window computer anymore.
[12:44] <benplaut> thunderbird is like outlook express
[12:44] <hondje> dabugas: like what?
[12:44] <goldfish> ah
[12:44] <thoreauputic> syntaxerror64: if you want an outlook clone, evolution
[12:44] <benplaut> no... outlook express
[12:44] <benplaut> therefore: thunderbird
[12:44] <dabugas> hondje: like the menu :(
[12:45] <tiny_linux> hondje, and can i configure from where (webmin, for exam...)
[12:45] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: evolution is included in your linux
[12:45] <nalioth> dabugas: i've never been one to like gnome, prefer kde
[12:45] <syntaxerror64> nalioth ~ i saw that but it seemed like it had a whole bunch of stuff i didn't need but you say it's good?
[12:45] <ubuntunobuntu> hi @all ive problems to insta acroread on ubuntu 5.04 anyone knows how to install it?
[12:45] <IIIEars> ubotu fr is http://fr.ubuntuguide.org/ "Merci" to fr.ubuntuguide.org
[12:45] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay
[12:45] <dabugas> hondje: or the fact that my second hard disk would always be mounted and appear in the Places menu but only about half the time would it appear on my desktop
[12:45] <ilRas> hello
[12:45] <hondje> I used to like KDE, but it's such a free-for-all that everythings a mess
[12:45] <IIIEars> ubotu French  is http://fr.ubuntuguide.org/ "Merci" to fr.ubuntuguide.org
[12:45] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay
[12:45] <goldfish> ubuntunobuntu: use synaptic
[12:45] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: evolution is as mentioned above, an outlook clone
[12:46] <dabugas> nalioth: i like gnome :)
[12:46] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: you also have thunderbird, sylpheed, and others
[12:46] <ilRas> i'm desperate, i get no audio out of my Hauppauge WinTV bt878 TV card! i see the picture, but no audio no matter what :( any ideas?
[12:46] <syntaxerror64> thank you i will give it a try then.  do you use it?
[12:46] <hondje> dabugas: my other drives never go on my desktop, odd
[12:46] <hondje> still, on or off it should be consistent
[12:46] <syntaxerror64> i have a hauppauge wintv card but it's on my windows machine.
[12:46] <benplaut> syntaxerror64: NO... not evolution... thunderbird
[12:46] <nalioth> dabugas: i've never liked gnome, but the default KDE here suX0rs (and i'm too lazy to change it)
[12:46] <benplaut> nalioth: he wanted an outlook express clone, not outlook
[12:47] <hondje> I used to dislike gnome, but ubuntu changed my opinion...before I was using xfce
[12:47] <goldfish> you guys should try xfce
[12:47] <goldfish> it rocks
[12:47] <bobbyd> where do I put options to pass to modules on startup?
[12:47] <ubuntunobuntu> goldfish: i did that it gives me the following message: acroread:
[12:47] <ubuntunobuntu>   depends on : libgcc1 (>=1:4.0.0-7) but 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 installed
[12:47] <syntaxerror64> benplaut ~ ok i will give that one a try too then.
[12:47] <benplaut> goldfish: i use it
[12:47] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: try this: configure your email clients (all of em) to "leave mail on server" until you figger which ones you like
[12:47] <goldfish> benplaut: :)
[12:47] <benplaut> well, i used to
[12:47] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: good idea
[12:47] <dabugas> hondje: you can change the options from the Gconf editor (which is too akin to the windows registry for my liking)
[12:47] <goldfish> benplaut: im trying to set up fluxbox now... takes a while though
[12:47] <goldfish> to get it looking the way you want it
[12:47] <benplaut> but then i needed a session manager, a good one, so i switched back to gnome
[12:47] <goldfish> ah right
[12:47] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: thats the nice thinga bout linux, ya aint got to buy something b4 ya try it
[12:47] <IIIEars> hondje - It's amazing the first time you overlay a graphic on the taskbar :)
[12:47] <benplaut> mmm... flux...
[12:48] <goldfish> benplaut: its really really fast
[12:48] <syntaxerror64> nalioth ~ yes so far i like this a lot because i do not have to run anti-spyware tools every day
[12:48] <benplaut> i know
[12:48] <goldfish> which i like :)
[12:48] <nalioth> IIIEars: taskbar graphics overlays?
[12:48] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: yessir
[12:48] <goldfish> ubuntunobuntu: hmmm, em, i dunno :/
[12:48] <hondje> dabugas: yeah, I have volumes_visible set, but hdb doesnt' show on the desktop
[12:48] <syntaxerror64> and no anti-virus program
[12:48] <IIIEars> nalioth - create a snippet in gimp and overlay the taskbar with any image.
[12:48] <ubuntunobuntu> so noone had problems installing acroread?
[12:48] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: find yourself a nice 'hosts' file and you'll cut down on 90% of the crap that bombards you
[12:49] <hondje> well, it did one time I restarted dbus-1/hal
[12:49] <dabugas> hondje: precisely!
[12:49] <nalioth> IIIEars: snippet? which taskbar?
[12:49] <syntaxerror64> nalioth ~ i assume you mean in windows
[12:49] <hondje> dabugas: yeah, that's not cool at all :(
[12:49] <benplaut> syntaxerror64: but you still need a firewall! don't forget the firewall!  :)
[12:49] <hondje> bah, firewalls :)
[12:49] <syntaxerror64> i have a router.
[12:49] <benplaut> OK, that'll work
[12:49] <Mahl> So ive installed an icon theme....but some file types have standard icons...how do I change the icon set for one certain file type instead of setting a custom one for each file?
[12:49] <ipnacho> hello
[12:49] <benplaut> i recommend Firestarter, too
[12:50] <hondje> I'm not concerned about remote exploits against sshd :-D
[12:50] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: i HATE winduhs, i meant linux (but hosts files work in winduhs, also)
[12:50] <IIIEars> << -top and bottom (is the terminology right?)  snippet a piece of image a few pixels high
[12:50] <IIIEars> .
[12:50] <nalioth> benplaut: syntaxerror64 you dont need a firewall with default installed ubuntu
[12:50] <benplaut> and use it as a background for taskbar ;)
[12:50] <syntaxerror64> nalioth ~ ok i gotcha.  i have been playing around and reading a lot linux related the last couple of months and finally got together another computer to run it.
[12:50] <benplaut> nalioth: for peace of mind...
[12:50] <hondje> Sometimes I think I'm the only desktop linux user who doesn't have a thing against windows :)
[12:50] <IIIEars> <<- created a nice spoof of windows for my desk. grin everytime i boot up Ubuntu. :)
[12:50] <nalioth> benplaut: syntaxerror64 if a webserver or some other externalizing thing is installed, maybe
[12:50] <dabugas> hondje: generally i generically hate windows -- but i specifically love linux. so when i don't EVERYTHING i want from a linux system i get bitterly angry ;)
[12:51] <syntaxerror64> and ubuntu was recommended to me to use, so here i am.
[12:51] <nalioth> benplaut: my machine is DMZd to the outside world w/o a firewall, and i have no problems with my peace of mind
[12:51] <hondje> dabugas: Yeah, I grok that...the other day I removed all the gnome pkgs, hal, dbus...and reinstalled them jsut because automount wasn't being magical
[12:51] <Mahl> So ive installed an icon theme....but some file types have standard icons...how do I change the icon set for one certain file type instead of setting a custom one for each file? Take MP3 For example...it has a music icon set to all mp3 files...Now how can I do that for other filetypes?
[12:51] <IIIEars> unot to sure Bill Gates would think it's funny - lol
[12:51] <nalioth> IIIEars: share?
[12:51] <benplaut> w/e... to each his/her own
[12:51] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: yes i understand exactly what you mean.
[12:51] <hondje> My beef with windows is that you can't go browse some pronsites without having to run 1000 apps to clean up spyware and the like
[12:52] <dabugas> hondje: kde, altho i dislike the interface, is much more "together." i can only hope that gnome gets there and i can go back to my gorilla theme park
[12:52] <ipnacho> please, help me! I'm trying to share a folder on a Ubuntu system with another Ubuntu (and in the future some Windows), so I installed samba and used nautilus-share to share that folder, but when trying to locate the shared resource in the other ubuntu machine, using "Windows network" on nautilus, I can't see nothing!
[12:52] <nalioth> hondje: really! i've "heard" of the problem....(since i dont run winduhs, i really have)
[12:52] <hondje> dabugas: yeah, that's just really good design underneath it all...the UI is a mess though
[12:52] <syntaxerror64> hondje: i specifically starting looking into linux because i am growing tired of constantly updating spyware and virus tools.
[12:52] <syntaxerror64> it is too much hassle
[12:52] <hondje> I see it every day, I'm the only guy at work using linux on the desktop
[12:52] <nalioth> hondje: the part i like best is the javascript that comes up on those sites that says "sorry you are not win32 compabible"
[12:53] <hondje> nalioth: What's that for, anyway?
[12:53] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: stick with it, and never see them again
[12:53] <Mahl> Help a guy out here :)
[12:53] <hondje> attempted spyware install?
[12:53] <nalioth> hondje: it means that the site tried to cornhole your winduhs with a virus/trojan/etc
[12:53] <syntaxerror64> i have my windows computer still for all my games and tv card, etc. but i want to do all my email and surfing on this linux computer here.
[12:53] <hondje> ah, now I'll laugh whenever I get that :)
[12:53] <dabugas> hondje: in any case, i'm not a zealot. i use whatever i like. i'm on kde using xchat, for example :)
[12:54] <hondje> I'm an e17 zealot, but I have to wait 40 more years before I can use it :D
[12:54] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: google "hosts spyware" and look into the hosts file
[12:54] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: it'll keep yer cache a lot cleaner
[12:54] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: i will do that, jotting down a note with that now
[12:54] <Peps> I recently upgraded from RD 8.0 to kubuntu. Im glad to be out of rpm hell.  love apt and Synapic. But I do miss compiling the packgames I use daily for more speed. Is there a way to compile (say) gcc using synaptic?
[12:55] <hondje> I just can't see the use of an OS that doesn't let me browse pronsites at work without a hastle :(
[12:55] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: i do security consulting on the side, and you'd be amazed at how many 3d party links are in a average page
[12:55] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: i read an article on that recently actually, i completely understand what you are saying.
[12:55] <hondje> Peps: I dunno about with synaptic, but you can do it in terminal easily enough
[12:55] <syntaxerror64> it is totally out of control
[12:56] <nalioth> Peps: yes there is
[12:56] <Peps> I mean inside the apt framework. I know how to compile and install from source tar.ga
[12:56] <nalioth> Peps: first you need to "sudo apt-get build-dep <pkg-in-question>"
[12:56] <Mahl> How do I set an icon to a file type globally? Instead of changing it for every file of the same filetype?
[12:56] <Peps> yes
[12:56] <nalioth> Peps: then "sudo apt-get source -b <pkg-in-question>"
[12:56] <hondje> nalioth: He wants within synaptic, he said
[12:56] <nalioth> hondje: too late, he just got told how using the terminal
[12:56] <Peps> will it replace my installed package
[12:57] <hondje> fearsome :D
[12:57] <nalioth> Peps: i dont like guis for compiling
[12:57] <hondje> Peps: Yeah, apt keeps track of that
[12:57] <nalioth> Peps: yes, you will have to remove what is there b4 you install yours
[12:57] <Peps> so I just close synaptic and use the command line?
[12:57] <hondje> Peps: Yessir! It's faster, too
[12:57] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: i have a clean install of ubuntu here, is there anything important i should do as far as configuring or nothing.
[12:57] <nalioth> Peps: i use the term for all of it
[12:58] <Peps> I user the term a lot as well
[12:58] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: add universe and multiverse repositorys
[12:58] <goldfish> syntaxerror64: www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:58] <Peps> So the 'source -b' will build it or I need something more?
[12:58] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: don't add backports, and cast a watchful eye on marillat
[12:59] <nalioth> Peps: after your apt-get builds the pkg, you'll need to remove the existing proggy on yer system
[12:59] <hondje> what?
[12:59] <wawa> Hi guys
[12:59] <nalioth> Peps: u can use synaptic for that (for ease of search)
[12:59] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: thanks.  i have been looking through that ubuntuguide.org site already.
[12:59] <nalioth> Peps: then go back to your built pkg and "sudo dpkg -i <builtpkg.deb> and you should be done
[12:59] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: what type of hardware are you running?
[12:59] <IIIEars> ubotu id is http://id.ubuntuguide.org Pengarang: Chua Wen Kiat Penerjemah: Gde Bagus Aryana - Thank You.
[12:59] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[01:00] <Peps> thanks will give it a try
[01:00] <hondje> your new pkg should have the right version and boot the old one
[01:00] <nalioth> Peps: are you familiar with "checkinstall"?
[01:00] <IIIEars> ubotu Indonesia is http://id.ubuntuguide.org Pengarang: Chua Wen Kiat Penerjemah: Gde Bagus Aryana - Thank You.
[01:00] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[01:00] <nalioth> hondje: sometimes they don't
[01:00] <hondje> oh, checkinstall is evil
[01:00] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: this is an older computer i put together from left over parts to run this.  athalon thunderbird 800mhz, 384megs ram, 100 gig hard drive
[01:00] <hondje> it ruined fast user switch applet for me :)
[01:00] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: your older puter is plenty good
[01:01] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: it seems to be handling ubuntu real well so far
[01:01] <nalioth> hondje: how else do you keep up with yer home built stuff?
[01:01] <wawa> Anyone able to watch movie trailers from Yahoo?
[01:01] <hondje> nalioth: checkinstall never removes stuff right, so I just make sure make uninstall is there and leave the whole mess in $HOME/Projects
[01:01] <hondje> I only whip out the packaging if I'm going to share it
[01:02] <gensn> syntaxerror64: do you usw kde or gnome for your old computer?
[01:02] <juju> anyone knows why I get       I did sudo apt-get update
[01:02] <juju> and  them   sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[01:02] <juju> but still saying that     "http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-extras/restri Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net_dists_hoary-extras_restri_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 file or folder does not exist "
[01:02] <syntaxerror64> gensn: i believe this is gnome?  whatever ubuntu installs as the default.
[01:02] <Mahl> How do I set an icon to a file type globally? Instead of changing it for every file of the same filetype?
[01:02] <gensn> k
[01:02] <hondje> syntaxerror64: yep, that's gnome
[01:03] <syntaxerror64> i think maybe i should add some ram, but so far so good.
[01:03] <hondje> I wouldn't, I have close to that set up, just with p3 800MHz, never swaps out
[01:03] <nalioth> hondje: well. if you have a uninstall script
[01:03] <hondje> yeah, always check that
[01:03] <syntaxerror64> hondje: oh well good to know someone else has good results with this then i won't bother.
[01:04] <hondje> syntaxerror64: That ones is running Debian testing, but it's not that dramatically different in resource demand
[01:04] <IIIEars> Mahl's question was intereting. - How do you do that?
[01:04] <nickrud> juju it seems you have a typo in your sources.list, restri rather than restricted
[01:04] <hondje> IIIEars: wouldn't that be some mime-voodoo?
[01:04] <IIIEars> Hint?
[01:04] <Mahl> right lets say i got Musepack files instead of MP3...mp3 icons is ie a sound icon while the mpc icons are...just the normal gnome icons...ie blank icons
[01:04] <hondje> nah, pondering
[01:05] <nalioth> IIIEars: can you post your amusing image somewhere?
[01:05] <Mahl> now if I want to set the same icons that the mp3 got to mpc files instead of changing each and every single one manually
[01:05] <Mahl> how do I change all globally
[01:05] <Mahl> the extension is x-extension-mpc
[01:05] <Peps> can I use apt to do the compiling or must I use dpkg?
[01:06] <hondje> Peps: Apt will do it for you
[01:06] <jetscreamer> neither
[01:06] <IIIEars> hondje it's just the standard Windows grass hill with a gnome on top
[01:06] <gensn> i want to install linux on my mom's computer, but i am not shure yet, what's easier for her - using kde or gnome
[01:06] <hondje> oh, ok
[01:06] <jetscreamer> put both
[01:06] <nalioth> Peps: the command i sent you earlier will do it
[01:06] <syntaxerror64> i do not like KDE myself
[01:07] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: kde is more winduhs-like
[01:07] <syntaxerror64> it does seem to be user friendly tho
[01:07] <jetscreamer> each camp has it's followers
[01:07] <jetscreamer> get it?
[01:07] <hondje> heh
[01:07] <Peps> the .deb i have to fine in the /var/cache/apt/archives ?
[01:07] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: yes that's exactly what i was thinking
[01:07] <dtorg29> Has anyone had problems installing cursor themes on kubuntu? I need help thanks
[01:07] <hondje> neither is better than the other, it's all just a matter of taste :)
[01:07] <Mahl> so if I set the icon to ie in the .icons folder >gnome-mime-audio-x-mpc.svg
[01:07] <jetscreamer> no peps you can install a .deb from anywhere
[01:07] <Mahl> the mpc files still dont change theyr icon...what am I doing wrong?
[01:07] <jetscreamer> but that is where they are usually downloaded
[01:08] <nalioth> Peps: the deb will be built in teh current dir
[01:08] <Peps> but I am doing 'sudo apt-get source -b gimp' as suggested. where will the .deb be?
[01:08] <nalioth> Peps: i guess it moves it (i dont know much how dpkg works)
[01:08] <nalioth> Peps: in the current dir
[01:08] <hondje> Peps: where you are now, pwd :)
[01:08] <Mahl> I guess nobody knows how
[01:08] <hondje> Mahl: I haven't a clue, it's a good question
[01:08] <nalioth> Mahl: sorry, bud, come back later
[01:09] <nalioth> Mahl: i'd like to know also
[01:09] <Peps> OK thanks, still downloading (slow modem)
[01:09] <we2by> hondje, http://dc5146d009.adsl.wanadoo.nl/we2by/Schermafdruk.png
[01:09] <jetscreamer> why are you compiling gimp instead of installing, btw
[01:09] <Peps> I am from NZ (if that is what you asked)
[01:09] <jetscreamer> btw will this breezy dvd boot & run?
[01:10] <Mahl> ok dang
[01:10] <Peps> It sem to me that gcc and other aps are slower than they used to be from when I was compilng them
[01:10] <hondje> we2by: Nice :)
[01:11] <Peps> I think compiling with ss and athlon support (for my machine) result in faster executables. Maybe I should have gone gentoo
[01:11] <Peps> sse2
[01:11] <jetscreamer> ah
[01:11] <DAC1138> gentoo with a slow modem, the perfect mix
[01:12] <we2by> thanks :)
[01:13] <nalioth> Peps: we are friendlier than #gentoo
[01:13] <hondje> unless you suggest making a package to install java is silly
[01:13] <DAC1138> nalioth, pff, that's for sure
[01:13] <DAC1138> and #freeBSD
[01:14] <Mahl> it must be a way to link an filetype extension to a certain icon
[01:14] <Mahl> so that it sets a global rule so all files of that extension will use that icon
[01:14] <Peps> I was put off by what seemed a complicated install (and not having broadband)
[01:14] <nalioth> hondje: i told you about that. that is the ONLY way to go! HEH HEH
[01:14] <Mahl> instead of changing each one individually
[01:14] <hondje> Mahl: You'd probably want to use the magic number, maybe that mime thing in /etc
[01:14] <IIIEars> ubotu it is http://it.ubuntuguide.org/ Autore: Chua Wen Kiat Traduzione italiana: Andrea Giorgini - Thank You
[01:14] <ubotu> IIIEars: I think you lost me on that one
[01:14] <Mahl> what mime thing in /etc?
[01:14] <Peps> but this is my third time here and I get good advice every time. This is great
[01:15] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: can you tell me how i can make the trash can be on the desktop instead of in the panel at the bottom
[01:15] <DAC1138> Peps, anyone who chooses ubuntu is smart
[01:15] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: i don't know
[01:15] <IIIEars>  ubotu It is http://it.ubuntuguide.org/ Autore: Chua Wen Kiat Traduzione italiana: Andrea Giorgini - Thank You
[01:15] <ubotu> IIIEars: what are you talking about?
[01:15] <hondje> syntaxerror64: open configuration editor
[01:15] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: ok thanks anyways
[01:15] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: i dont change the UI too much, i'm mostly in the terminal
[01:15] <Peps> we need to change that :)
[01:15] <hondje> I wouldnt judge someones IQ by their OS :)
[01:15] <syntaxerror64> i see...
[01:16] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: like right now, i'm using a terminal irc client
[01:16] <syntaxerror64> hondje: please explain how i do that
[01:16] <Peps> otherwise our install base will be very small
[01:16] <hondje> syntaxerror64: click applications -> system tools
[01:16] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: i am using this thing called X-Chat that came with ubuntu
[01:16] <DAC1138> hondje, anyone who chooses ubuntu over any other distros is smart. meaning they dont want to waste time with other packaging systems and configuring/setting up devices
[01:16] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: i am using this thing called irssi that came with ubuntu
[01:16] <Peps> I am using mozilla
[01:16] <disasm> syntaxerror64: xchat's ok, i like my irssi in a screen i can ssh into from anywhere though ;-)
[01:16] <Mahl> ok then let me ask it like this
[01:16] <e0f> anyone help me with my adsl connection? i've got a screen for see my problem..help please
[01:17] <DAC1138> why on earth would anyone want to waste time configuring a device and they work out of the box on ubuntu?
[01:17] <Mahl> How does one make an icon theme and decide the rules for what icon belongs to that certain file extension
[01:17] <nalioth> disasm: yes "screen" is very useful
[01:17] <syntaxerror64> disasm: sorry i am completely new to linux i have no clue what you are talking about.  :)
[01:17] <IIIEars>  ubotu Italian is http://it.ubuntuguide.org/ Autore: Chua Wen Kiat Traduzione italiana: Andrea Giorgini - Thank You
[01:17] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay
[01:17] <hondje> syntaxerror64: open up the 'apps' folder, scroll down to nautilus and open that up, then click desktop....on the right, click the button labeled 'trash_icon_visible'
[01:17] <disasm> nalioth: oh yeah ;-) irssi, naim, mutt, lynx, and a gazillion shells ;-)
[01:17] <STEV> Ubuntu sucks more than WindOS.
[01:17] <nalioth> disasm: yes but esp the -d
[01:17] <hondje> DAC1138: I dunno, I gave the latest suse a spin for my boss, and it was awesome on his laptop
[01:18] <disasm> nalioth: you mean detach?
[01:18] <e0f> nalioth: i've got a problem with my dsl, do u help me?
[01:18] <disasm> [1057.pts-0.gentux detached.] 
[01:18] <nalioth> disasm: yeppers
[01:18] <disasm> nalioth: like that?
[01:18] <nickrud> Mahl I breezed over this a while ago, maybe it will help: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt_2fTutorials_2fIconThemes
[01:18] <nalioth> e0f: not sure
[01:18] <DAC1138> uh oh, another idiot b00b (refering to STEV)
[01:18] <syntaxerror64> hondje: thanks!!!
[01:18] <nalioth> DAC1138: now be nice, there has to be an opposite for everyone, he's mine
[01:19] <hondje> syntaxerror64: You're welcome
[01:19] <IIIEars> STEV - Remember that on your next windows reinstall. - Linux takes time to setup but Mondo can make a setup disk after you custumisations
[01:19] <DAC1138> nalioth, an opposite, yes, but do they have to flaunt their stupididty by trolling an IRC room?
[01:19] <disasm> nalioth: i have a user disirc, and in the .bashrc i have screen -R -D and then when it detaches, it exits then I lock my screen sessions with ctrl-z x (i think it's ctrl a by default)
[01:19] <hondje> That's not trolling, that's being lame
[01:19] <syntaxerror64> hondje: looks like you can configure quite a bit of stuff through that
[01:19] <hondje> Trolling is an art, sir :)
[01:19] <nalioth> disasm: uh ok
[01:19] <STEV> IIIEars, why Ubuntu? Use Debian no? I think it's enough.
[01:19] <hondje> syntaxerror64: yeah, most aren't very useful but you can find some goods ones in there :)
[01:19] <DAC1138> hondje, i cant figure out a difference
[01:20] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: you can configure so much
[01:20] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: i will give that irssi a try
[01:20] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: i am noticing that the desktop itself is so much more customizable than xp
[01:20] <IIIEars> STEV - Ubuntu found all of my hardware at first boot?
[01:20] <hondje> real trolls are subtle and intelligent :)
[01:20] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: keep the xchat open while you do (if you have no terminal app experience)
[01:20] <STEV> IIIEars, live CD or install?
[01:20] <TheDracle> I thought they lived under bridges at ate people...
[01:21] <e0f> anyone help me with dsl's setup ?
[01:21] <disasm> syntaxerror64: if you need any help with irssi/want a different theme to make it look better, /msg me
[01:21] <STEV> IIIEars, Mandrake does the same thing. :D
[01:21] <IIIEars> Both were the same.
[01:21] <DAC1138> STEV, no different, if it works live itll work with install
[01:21] <hondje> TheDracle: Yes, but subtlely
[01:21] <nalioth> e0f: what was your question?
[01:21] <syntaxerror64> disasm: ok thanks i will do that
[01:21] <TheDracle> hondje: How does one go about eating a person subtley...
[01:21] <hondje> TheDracle: See? That's why it's an art!
[01:21] <nalioth> TheDracle: with fine linen and silver
[01:21] <e0f> nalioth: i send u a screen
[01:21] <TheDracle> honje: Yes... I agree.
[01:22] <TheDracle> honje: I guess I'll have to read more about Jeffrey Dahlmer..
[01:22] <disasm> e0f: your best off getting a router that handles pppoe for you, I've done pppoe before (back in slackware days) but it can be a mess, and with the cost of wireless routers at $30 or so, it's well worth not going through the hassle
[01:22] <nalioth> e0f use tinyurl.com
[01:22] <gensn> disasm: is irrsi yet installed in the standart ubuntu?
[01:22] <nalioth> e0f i agree, if you can get a router that does it
[01:22] <hondje> TheDracle: hehe
[01:22] <disasm> gensn: appears so
[01:22] <e0f> nalioth: look my screen, accept the dcc
[01:22] <nalioth> e0f i don't accept dcc
[01:23] <anto9us> TheDracle: washed down with a bottle of chianti pft pft pft pft
[01:23] <IIIEars> STEV - Most good ideas are "Borrowed" Windows from "Bob" even the kernel was borrowed from BSD.
[01:23] <nalioth> e0f use tinyurl so more folks can see
[01:23] <nalioth> e0f tinyurl.com
[01:24] <nalioth> disasm: you mentioned themes? can you point me to a irssi for dummies to tell me how to split screen the thing?
[01:24] <nalioth> brb
[01:24] <IIIEars> No but i would if they offered me a job. - lol
[01:24] <syntaxerror64> the simple fact i can't find irssi means i probably shouldn't run it...  lol
[01:24] <hondje> Now you sound like me, syntaxerror64
[01:24] <STEV> IIIEars, which client do u use? ;)
[01:24] <disasm> nalioth: screen has split support, I dunno of any split screen in irssi
[01:24] <Peps> Not exactly ubuntu specific but anyone knows about DVD burners and multisession?
[01:25] <disasm> syntaxerror64: run it from a terminal
[01:25] <disasm> syntaxerror64: irssi <name of server>
[01:25] <syntaxerror64> hondje: it's a weird feeling, i know windows inside and out but i feel helpless sitting on this linux computer.
[01:25] <e0f> nalioth: this is my screen: http://www.strisciacc.com/Schermata1.jpg
[01:25] <hondje> hehe, I feel the exact opposite
[01:25] <JonnyRo> Is there a package that will install the development headers for X11 on my system?
[01:25] <JonnyRo> or do i just need to download the source code myself
[01:25] <e0f> e0f: ppp0 is up but i don't to do anything
[01:25] <IIIEars> STEV Goggle Ubuntu Bounties it's a good way to get your foot in the door.
[01:26] <disasm> syntaxerror64: it takes time to get used to it, but after a month or so, you'll think linux is easier and more comfortable than windows
[01:26] <Peps> k3b says my burner is not capable of multisession for DVD-R media. It is a recent model (LG-4163B)?
[01:26] <lsuactiafner> syntaxerror64 : ive been in linux for 5yrs and i i'm clueless with windows..
[01:26] <xhaker> peps.. try gnomebaker
[01:26] <syntaxerror64> disasm: got ya on that, i have been browsing linux forums and playing with knoppix for about a month off and on.
[01:26] <lsuactiafner> winxp has as much a learning curve as linux
[01:27] <disasm> syntaxerror64: i've installed linux on a lot of peoples computers (people that have never had a computer) and they love linux, they hate it when they have to use a windows computer at a friends house)
[01:27] <nickrud> JonnyRo you probably want x-window-system-dev
[01:27] <syntaxerror64> all i know is windows...   so this is a whole new adventure for me.
[01:27] <JonnyRo> nickrud,
[01:27] <JonnyRo> thanks
[01:27] <disasm> i'
[01:27] <disasm> i'm out, dad's here from az
[01:27] <disasm> [1057.pts-0.gentux detached.] 
[01:27] <nalioth> disasm: i think irssi has it, at least saw it somewhere
[01:27] <syntaxerror64> lsuactiafner: i'm the exact opposite :)
[01:27] <Peps> I am running kubuntu, and k3b says the problem is with my drive.
[01:27] <lsuactiafner> anyone here know tc qdisc well?
[01:28] <syntaxerror64> disasm: bye, thanks for the help
[01:28] <e0f> guy, for u what's the problem in this? http://www.strisciacc.com/Schermata1.jpg
[01:28] <Peps> Is it possible that other media will support multisession? how can I find out?
[01:28] <nalioth> guys, whats the pppoe configurator?
[01:28] <IIIEars> ubotu Bounties is www.ubuntulinux.org/community/bounties/document_view
[01:28] <ubotu> IIIEars: i already had it that way
[01:28] <nickrud> pppoeconfig
[01:28] <ck2> knoppix Q: (cuz everyone in #knoppix is assleap) - how do I get catpive ntfs to find the 2 MS files it needs?  I hav even copied them to /var/lib/captive/ like it says, still can't find them
[01:29] <nalioth> Peps: you may wish to get and compile the latest cdrecord and cdrecord-prodvd
[01:29] <e0f> nickrud: see my screen please :)
[01:29] <nalioth> e0f have you run pppoeconfig?
[01:29] <e0f> ya
[01:29] <syntaxerror64> hondje: you in colorado?
[01:29] <Peps> nalioth: the ones in ubuntu are not the latest?
[01:29] <hondje> syntaxerror64: yes, Pueblo
[01:29] <nickrud> e0f did you use the ubuntu guide for rp-pppoe?
[01:29] <syntaxerror64> hondje: i love colorado
[01:30] <syntaxerror64> been too long since i last was there
[01:30] <hondje> It's nice to live here :)
[01:30] <e0f> nickrud: yes :)
[01:30] <nalioth> Peps: not really
[01:30] <caine> anybody here know how to make the windows cd boot on linux.....ima attepmt to do a dual boot but ima install windows on the hardrive first
[01:30] <nalioth> Peps: and i'm sure you don't have cdrecord-prodvd
[01:30] <caine> and then go back and install ubuntu
[01:30] <ck2> caine,  you just do what you said ;)
[01:31] <syntaxerror64> caine: just make sure your comptuer is set to boot off the cd drive
[01:31] <caine> but i cant get the damn windows cd to boot
[01:31] <caine> it is
[01:31] <ck2> caine, install widdows, then put the Ubuntu cd in and boot
[01:31] <caine> but it wont do it
[01:31] <nickrud> e0f um, I'd delete that from opt (i think it goes there) and just use pppoeconfig. It's always worked for me, and so far I've heard noone complain
[01:31] <syntaxerror64> caine: probably a bad windows cd?
[01:31] <nalioth> caine: are you asking how to BURN a windows cd on linux?
[01:31] <caine> no im not askin how to burn
[01:31] <nickrud> *pppoeconf
[01:31] <nalioth> caine: if the windows cd won't boot, but hte ubuntu cd will, then the winduhs cd is bad
[01:32] <syntaxerror64> yes
[01:32] <xhaker> where can i fin pptpconfig ?
[01:32] <syntaxerror64> what version of windows?
[01:32] <IIIEars> STEV - Enjoy yourself
[01:32] <caine> i cant get the windows cd to boot from startup or from desktop (because wine is crap)
[01:32] <hondje> hehe, bad windows cd is what got me to use linux in the first place :)
[01:32] <STEV> ;)
[01:32] <ck2> caine, hang on... you want SBM.... im looking for the link
[01:32] <Peps> nalioth: Well i don't see how it will help if k3b does not use it?
[01:32] <caine> no the cd is perfect
[01:32] <caine> perfect condition
[01:32] <syntaxerror64> caine: you don't want to run it from within linux
[01:32] <nickrud> xhaker if you know the name of the program, usually apt-cache search <package> or packages.ubuntu.com will find it
[01:32] <syntaxerror64> if i'm understanding what you are saying
[01:33] <nalioth> Peps: i think k3b is just a fancy frontend to cdrecord
[01:33] <caine> im gonna install over linux....getting rid of linux....then once i completely install windows, install ubuntu for a dual boot
[01:33] <jojojjojopilpil> got a question. i need a  binary newsreader that supports nzb files? is there any that is in a repsitory i dont know about?
[01:33] <syntaxerror64> caine; right...   so just set the cd drive to boot first in your bios and away you should go
[01:33] <caine> its set that way
[01:33] <syntaxerror64> doesn't make a bit of difference what os is installed currently
[01:33] <caine> but linux wont read the boot
[01:34] <Peps> nalioth: I have cdrecord version 4:2.0+a38
[01:34] <syntaxerror64> linux won't have anything to do with it
[01:34] <ck2> caine, right, but that doesn't mattter - the boxes bios is want reads the boot device
[01:34] <syntaxerror64> you set to boot off cd in your bios that is before it ever starts booting linux
[01:34] <caine> and i already checked that
[01:34] <syntaxerror64> can you boot the ubuntu linux cd?
[01:34] <ck2> caine, sometimes boxes have trouble with certian CD's because they don't spin up fast enough
[01:34] <nalioth> caine: will your ubuntu cd boot?
[01:34] <caine> the main cd drive, which the cd is in currently, is what is set to boot from
[01:35] <nalioth> Peps: i dont keep up with ver numbers, but if its default, its old
[01:35] <caine> yes i know it will boot because i had to use it for some updates
[01:35] <Peps> nalioth: is there a repository with the latest?
[01:35] <syntaxerror64> caine: simply, have you tried putting it in another machine and booting it
[01:35] <nalioth> caine: then your winduhs cd is bad
[01:35] <nalioth> caine: try another cd drive or another winduhs cd
[01:36] <anto9us> caine: test the ubuntu install cd in that drive, see if it boots, if it does, you have a dodgy windows cd, or it may require cleaning
[01:36] <syntaxerror64> caine: i have done exactly what you are describing on this machine here and it worked like a charm.
[01:36] <ck2> caine, this should help you: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SmartBootManagerHowto
[01:36] <jojojjojopilpil> anybody? i need a  binary newsreader that supports nzb files? is there any that is in a repsitory i dont know about?
[01:36] <caine> wiki doesnt help me with anything...not even the basic dual boot
[01:37] <ck2> caine, this should help you: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SmartBootManagerHowto
[01:37] <caine> which is why im doin this the hard way now
[01:37] <caine> iv been there
[01:37] <ck2> caine, did you make the floppy?
[01:37] <syntaxerror64> caine: what version of windows?
[01:37] <caine> no because i dont have floppys
[01:37] <nalioth> jojojjojopilpil: i dont think any available newsreader support nzb
[01:37] <ck2> lol
[01:37] <caine> 95
[01:37] <nalioth> jojojjojopilpil: there is a patch for xchat
[01:38] <syntaxerror64> caine: that's your problem
[01:38] <caine> and then ima install xp over it
[01:38] <syntaxerror64> you can't boot off the 95 cd
[01:38] <ck2> caine, with some work you can make a bootable usb thumb drive - got one of those?
[01:38] <caine> shit
[01:38] <jojojjojopilpil> for xchat, the irc program?
[01:38] <syntaxerror64> why do you need to install 95 first and then xp over it?
[01:38] <caine> they have stuff on them that i cant transfer anywhere
[01:38] <syntaxerror64> just install xp
[01:38] <nalioth> jojojjojopilpil: sorry pan has the patch available
[01:38] <caine> because i dont exactly have an xp cd
[01:39] <syntaxerror64> i see...
[01:39] <caine> yeah
[01:39] <ck2> caine,  no win98 CD?
[01:39] <nalioth> caine, in this day and age, one should be easy to obtain
[01:39] <IFRFLY1> hi can anyone tell me how to load the 586 kernel ?
[01:39] <syntaxerror64> true
[01:39] <IFRFLY1> I have 386 installed now
[01:39] <caine> brb lemme see if the 98 cd we have isnt just some upgrade package
[01:39] <syntaxerror64> you can't boot off the 98 cd either tho
[01:39] <syntaxerror64> so that's not gonna help him
[01:39] <nalioth> IFRFLY1: use synaptic
[01:39] <caine> wtf
[01:40] <caine> then why should i bother looking
[01:40] <jojojjojopilpil> really? ive used pan before but stopped because of the lack of nzb support. where can i find the patch. i've trid googleing for something exactly like that. no good
[01:40] <IFRFLY1> I use apt-get. Never tried synaptic.
[01:40] <XpuritanX> hello i have a freez system and i dont know why :S --> Starting hotplug system.. it frezes here. Some one can help me ?
[01:40] <ck2> syntaxerror64,  - I think you can boot from the 98 cd... but it has been a while
[01:40] <syntaxerror64> ck2...  you can not
[01:40] <nalioth> jojojjojopilpil: ya got to look on the newzbin homepage, the patches and links to newsreaders are there
[01:40] <caine> ok i need to completely un-install ubuntu and install 95 or 98 it doesnt matter
[01:40] <syntaxerror64> 95/98/millennium require a floppy to boot off of first.
[01:40] <anto9us> I've booted off 98 SE, not sure about 98
[01:40] <nalioth> ck2, syntaxerror64 they made bootable versions, and non bootable versions
[01:41] <nalioth> ck2: syntaxerror64 of all the later winduhs releases
[01:41] <syntaxerror64> there may be a bootable 98 cd somewhere, but most likely he does not have one.
[01:41] <caine> well lets put it like this....i have booted from this cd before when i re-installed xp
[01:41] <nickrud> caine you have a win and ubuntu install, but the boot manager isn't working, is that right?
[01:41] <nalioth> personally i think winduhs should be skipped and just go with ubuntu
[01:41] <syntaxerror64> just get a disc like techiez toolkit
[01:41] <caine> i already have ubuntu
[01:41] <caine> im on it right now
[01:42] <caine> but i need windows cause wine and crossover is crap for the progs i have to use
[01:42] <nickrud> caine ok, nm :)
[01:42] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: i got that irssi program going
[01:42] <caine> there are no substitutes
[01:42] <anto9us> caine: have you tried qemu?
[01:42] <syntaxerror64> caine: you said you do NOT have a floppy drive in that machine?
[01:42] <nickrud> caine I have one program that will not run under emulation, so I understand
[01:42] <caine> no i have the drive
[01:42] <caine> no floppys
[01:42] <syntaxerror64> caine: you can easily download a boot disc
[01:42] <caine> I HAVE NO FLOPPYS!!!
[01:42] <goldfish> syntaxerror64: irssi is great.
[01:42] <syntaxerror64> oh no floppy discs
[01:43] <syntaxerror64> gotcha, sorry
[01:43] <caine> yes
[01:43] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: oh but you can
[01:43] <syntaxerror64> well, go buy a box they are cheap
[01:43] <nickrud> caine knock on your neighbors doors, someone has a spare :)
[01:43] <CarlFK> caine - no disk, or no floppy drive?
[01:43] <caine> im sorry if i start coming off like an ass
[01:43] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: winduhs boot floppy images abound
[01:43] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: yes that's what i was telling him
[01:43] <IFRFLY1> Does the update applet which reminds you when new updates are available keep a log somewhere?
[01:43] <syntaxerror64> you can find them anywhere
[01:43] <caine> but im gettin very frustrated now because i have to install windows again and i was hoping i wouldnt have to
[01:44] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: sorry, goin blind here (even with giant font sizes)
[01:44] <CarlFK> caine - ever hear of PXE net boot?
[01:44] <nickrud> caine if you had a working windows install, you shouldn't have to
[01:44] <syntaxerror64> goldfish: that's what everyone is telling me...   i am at the irssi beginners web site now
[01:44] <CarlFK> caine - that will let you boot floppy image files from a server
[01:44] <syntaxerror64> goldfish: i am currently using X-Chat
[01:44] <nalioth> caine: what do you HAVE to have winduhs for? is htere a linux program that can do it?
[01:44] <caine> no there isnt
[01:44] <caine> or i wouldnt be here going through this shit
[01:45] <anto9us> caine: what's the program you need to run?
[01:45] <jojojjojopilpil> well ill look there. thanks
[01:45] <ox-{> Sent for ubuntu and haven't received in 2 months. Worry?
[01:45] <caine> i have to music progs that do not have substitutes for linux and linux - windows progs wont load them
[01:46] <Marble2> ox-{: they take a while
[01:46] <caine> im using Finale 2003 and Guitar-Pro....have to use these 2 progs no substitutes
[01:46] <caine> and linux-windows progs wont load them
[01:47] <anto9us> caine: have you tried a virtual machine like qemu?
[01:47] <ox-{> Marble2: Just wait then. Will it be the latest release?
[01:47] <caine> never heard of it
[01:47] <caine> what is it
[01:47] <anto9us> caine: you can install windows inside linux as a sort of applicaton
[01:47] <caine> oh  and i need to run my webcam on linux....doesnt work either
[01:48] <syntaxerror64> caine: i have the same problem (webcam)
[01:49] <caine> yeah
[01:49] <caine> i actually have to use my webcam for more than just fun
[01:49] <caine> so im getting really pissed about it
[01:49] <syntaxerror64> caine: just go buy a box of floppy discs, make yourself a boot disc and off you'll go
[01:50] <fishie> is there a command to run to sync your clock
[01:50] <caine> i would but i am literally broke right now
[01:50] <syntaxerror64> cheapest and easiest solution to your problem i can think of
[01:50] <caine> i need to just run from the cd
[01:50] <syntaxerror64> ask a friend floppy discs are everywhere i'm sure someone can give you one
[01:50] <bystander> fishie: sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart
[01:50] <nalioth> caine: borrow a floppy
[01:50] <caine> i know theres some god forsaken way
[01:50] <fishie> thanks
[01:50] <caine> from who....god
[01:50] <syntaxerror64> caine: not from the cds you have, sorry
[01:50] <caine> we dont use floppys in this house anymore....all cd
[01:51] <CarlFK> caine - do you have a 2nd PC (even an old P1-75)
[01:51] <caine> i have only 1 comp
[01:51] <caine> but theres like 5 in the house
[01:51] <caine> all being used
[01:51] <caine> my sis, mom, step, dad, and  mine
[01:51] <nalioth> caine: there are no AOL floppys shoved under the couch?
[01:51] <caine> *step dad
[01:51] <caine> never got the floppys
[01:52] <CarlFK> caine - is one of them a DHCP server?
[01:52] <caine> only the cds and we trash emm
[01:52] <caine> idk
[01:52] <syntaxerror64> caine: well make you a bootable cd then
[01:52] <ox-{> Marble2: later and thanks for the reply
[01:52] <caine> carlfk: im not fuckin with the server ok...i didnt set any of it up im not gonna go screw it up
[01:53] <caine> i dont know what the hell kinda server im on
[01:53] <syntaxerror64> caine: he's just trying to offer you a solution to your problem, chill out.
[01:53] <CarlFK> caine - so yes?  cuz Mr admin (im gussing dad) might be up for some mods that will help you out
[01:53] <caine> because my comp runs through a damn router...pisses me off cause im the last on the routers list
[01:53] <caine> im the only comp on linux...they cant even see me from there comps anymore
[01:54] <CarlFK> caine - so you aren't interested in any more help?
[01:54] <caine> not server stuff
[01:54] <nickrud> caine take a deep breath, cuz this list wants to help
[01:54] <nickrud> *channel (too much email in my life :)
[01:54] <SeaDragon> hey, i have a problem with my sound car
[01:54] <caine> cause if i start messing with anything to do with the server i WILL royally screw myself
[01:55] <SeaDragon> hey, i have a problem with my sound card
[01:55] <oscurodio> ditto
[01:55] <caine> iv done it once and im not doing it again
[01:55] <nalioth> SeaDragon: we need to know a bit more
[01:55] <SeaDragon> okz
[01:55] <CarlFK> caine - would booting a knoppix cd on the "server" be considered messing with the server?
[01:56] <caine> anything to do with the server
[01:56] <SeaDragon> i have 4 speakers and only 2 have sound???
[01:56] <CarlFK> caine - what about turning off the server?
[01:56] <SeaDragon> my card is soundblaster
[01:56] <fossa> hi
[01:56] <fossa> does ubuntu linux come with development tools?
[01:57] <SeaDragon> i have already done "gstregister"
[01:57] <jasonbliss> hi
[01:57] <caine> in order to get to the server i have to get on my step dad's comp....and every time i get on his comp i screw somtin up
[01:57] <nalioth> fossa: yes the pkg is called "build-essential" and can be isntalled with apt
[01:58] <fossa> first time i log on, will there be a nice interface that shows me every package i can apt?
[01:58] <caine> because he's got the shit set up really complex
[01:58] <jasonbliss> i like ubuntu
[01:58] <bob2> fossa: yes, system -> administration -> synaptic
[01:58] <ck2> caine, can you get dad to turn it off or even just disconnect it from the LAN?
[01:58] <caine> no
[01:59] <jasonbliss> ubuntu vs red hat
[01:59] <caine> brb
[01:59] <SeaDragon> ubuntu
[01:59] <fossa> are there torrents? i only see mirrors on the web site.
[01:59] <nalioth> fossa: use synaptic
[01:59] <nalioth> fossa: its easier
[01:59] <SeaDragon> nalioth,
[01:59] <ck2> fossa, the mirros all have torrents
[01:59] <nalioth> SeaDragon: yes?
[01:59] <bob2> fossa: torrents for packages aren't useful
[02:00] <bob2> fossa: there are torrents for the cd and dvd images, tho
[02:00] <SeaDragon> can i speak with u about the problem with my sound car
[02:00] <fossa> yeah that's what i mean
[02:00] <ck2> fossa, kinda silly cus they all point to the same tracker
[02:00] <sewi> do you know a HowTo build own deb packages?
[02:00] <bob2> ck2: the tracker has more bandwidth than jeebus
[02:00] <SeaDragon> i have 4 speakers and only 2 have sound, its a soundblaster
[02:00] <nalioth> SeaDragon: sorry i am ignorant of sound card issues
[02:00] <bob2> sewi: www.debian.org/devel/, new maintainer's guide
[02:00] <SeaDragon> okz no problem
[02:01] <ck2> bob2, I love BT - just silly the way the ubuntu .torrent's are mirrored
[02:01] <sewi> bob2, thanks
[02:01] <bob2> ck2: hm, why?
[02:01] <nalioth> sewi: yes use apt-get source -b <pkgname-you-want>
[02:01] <caine> ok i just found a 98 cd
[02:01] <bob2> sewi: (assuming you mean "package new things from source")
[02:01] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: i am in irssi now, any tips?
[02:01] <caine> brb ima try to boot it
[02:01] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: live and learn
[02:01] <ck2> bob2, what is the point of bouncing the .tracker file to a mirror?
[02:02] <fossa> what is the .template disk?
[02:02] <lsuactiafner> syntaxerror64 : do not run /exec -o yes bleh
[02:02] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: lol, ok...
[02:02] <lsuactiafner> in irssi
[02:02] <lsuactiafner> heh
[02:02] <lsuactiafner> if its anything like bx
[02:02] <bob2> ck2: I assume they just rsync the entirity of archive.ubuntu.com
[02:02] <goldfish> lol
[02:02] <sewi> bob2, yes, new things from source:)
[02:02] <syntaxerror64> lsuactiafner: i certainly will not, i have no clue how to use this software.
[02:02] <bob2> fossa: that's not a disk, it's a file a tool called "jigdo" can use to build images
[02:02] <lsuactiafner> lol
[02:02] <ck2> bob2, i guess if it doesn't take any more administrative steps it doesn't matter
[02:03] <lsuactiafner> in the end linux takes a bit of time investment for great benifits
[02:03] <oscurodio> amen
[02:03] <syntaxerror64> lsuactiafner: x-chat is easier to use than this
[02:03] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: you might find this little beauty of interest. read here about "screen"
[02:03] <ck2> bob2, any idea who is in charge of making the torrents and doeing whatever admin gets done on the tracker?
[02:03] <nalioth> http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2004/07/06/unix_gems.html
[02:03] <lsuactiafner> i use BitchX
[02:04] <bob2> ck2: the canonical admin team
[02:04] <lsuactiafner> xchat requires me to move my mouse
[02:04] <HrdwrBoB> lsuactiafner: I can recomment irssi over bitchx
[02:04] <HrdwrBoB> I used to use bitchx
[02:04] <lsuactiafner> and i'm too lazy to move my hands
[02:04] <HrdwrBoB> irssi is like bitchx only useable
[02:04] <lsuactiafner> so i use bx
[02:04] <nalioth> HrdwrBoB: can you split-screen irssi?
[02:04] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: thanks reading it now
[02:05] <HrdwrBoB> nalioth: I beleive so
[02:05] <oscurodio> anybody here do anything with twinview?
[02:05] <ck2> bob2, so where should "tracker down" posts and "idea to use BT for daily breezys" be sent?
[02:05] <HrdwrBoB> nalioth: actually, yes, yes you can
[02:05] <lsuactiafner> HrdwrBoB : well my bx is scripted.. auto create windows + autojoin in correct windows and auto-identify nick on connect
[02:05] <syntaxerror64> what is the advantage to using this software over something like x-chat?
[02:05] <lsuactiafner> and i got a nice logger script
[02:05] <HrdwrBoB> lsuactiafner: to do so for irssi is trivial
[02:05] <bob2> ck2: the ubuntu devel list, for the latter, they know about the former very quickly (if only because I bother them about it;)
[02:05] <bystander> syntaxerror64: more than you ever wanted to know about irssi: http://irssi.org ;-)
[02:05] <lsuactiafner> syntaxerror64 : no need for a mouse.. looks leet ect..
[02:05] <nalioth> HrdwrBoB: guess i'll go to the site and see if i can find the way to splitsville <hint>unless you have a URL for dummies)
[02:05] <HrdwrBoB> lsuactiafner: you don't have to take my word for it, spend five minutes and try it out :)
[02:06] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: less cpu usage
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> am used to BX. i dont want nick lists ect
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> nalioth: the documentation on the site is quite good,I'd look it up same as you are :)
[02:06] <bob2> irssi is the irc client of champions
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> yeh less cpu usage..
[02:06] <bob2> and me
[02:06] <syntaxerror64> i know one thing, every time one of you types me a message your name is in bright yellow and i have to strain like hell to see who it is.
[02:06] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: used with screen, you can leave chat running at your house, and relog on somewhere else
[02:06] <bob2> syntaxerror64: you can easily change the colours
[02:06] <ck2> bob2, - thanks.  someone told me bugzilla, and mdz replied with "this isn't a good place to post this" and didn't bother to tell me a good place
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> lolol
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> syntaxerror64: either change the colours or the background
[02:06] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: thats because its showing you when we are talking to YOU
[02:06] <bob2> ck2: ah
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> syntaxerror64: you are better off with a white on black terminal
[02:06] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: yes i got that, now if i could just tell WHO was talking to me...  lol
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> which will make yellow readable
[02:07] <syntaxerror64> hrdwrbob: can you tell me how to make that happen?
[02:07] <ck2> <- Carl K - on the devel list - getting anoyed at the firewall crusaders ;)
[02:07] <bob2> ah
[02:07] <lsuactiafner> i hoped with tethereal i could sniff ppl chatting through my gateway
[02:07] <lsuactiafner> but seems its not plain text ):
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> syntaxerror64: edit-> current profile
[02:07] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: in your term, change the colors to opposites of what they are
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> colors
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> while on black
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> white on black
[02:08] <caine> ok it boots
[02:08] <lsuactiafner> HrdwrBoB : why does it have to be white on black.. oppresion ect..
[02:08] <caine> but can i do a str8 dual boot and keep ubuntu?
[02:08] <lsuactiafner> jks..
[02:08] <syntaxerror64> ah yes thanks that's much better
[02:09] <HrdwrBoB> lsuactiafner: because it's the superior choice :)
[02:09] <HrdwrBoB> syntaxerror64: much mroe readable :)
[02:09] <HrdwrBoB> syntaxerror64: I use psuedotransparent terminals with a dark background
[02:09] <syntaxerror64> HrdwrBoB: forgive me, i am a new ubuntu user.
[02:10] <HrdwrBoB> syntaxerror64: no need for forgiveness, I'm just trying to help
[02:10] <syntaxerror64> thanks i do appreciate it
[02:10] <caine> can i install 98 and upgrade it to xp and keep ubuntu.....that way i dont have to install windows then install ubuntu after
[02:10] <HrdwrBoB> syntaxerror64: I teach you, then you know, and can teach other people
[02:10] <oscurodio> it's a good policy to install win before linux
[02:10] <syntaxerror64> HrdwrBoB: i was using x-chat earlier and several recommended i try this program out.
[02:10] <HrdwrBoB> caine: it'll still overwrite the master boot record
[02:11] <syntaxerror64> windows first, then linux...
[02:11] <caine> k
[02:11] <HrdwrBoB> syntaxerror64: the primary use for this is 'screen'
[02:11] <caine> so i install windows, upgrade to xp, then install ubuntu as the dual
[02:11] <HrdwrBoB> do you use screen?
[02:11] <goldfish> screen is great
[02:11] <HrdwrBoB> caine: yes
[02:11] <lsuactiafner> where is glibc.deb 2.3.5 located?
[02:12] <syntaxerror64> HrdwrBob: no clue what that is
[02:12] <lsuactiafner> need an ftp link..
[02:12] <ck2> caine, it isn't too hard to put the boot loader back either
[02:12] <lsuactiafner> bit difficult for me to search on a 2.1k/s connection
[02:12] <nalioth> caine: as long as you realize that installing any winduhs after ubuntu, will void your linux boot mangler
[02:12] <PenguinOf> Does Ubuntu have an over-the-internet installer?
[02:12] <ck2> caine, but installing win, then Ubuntu is "easiest"
[02:12] <lsuactiafner> (shared dailup)
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> syntaxerror64: it allows you to disconnect/reconnect to irssi from any terminal
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> syntaxerror64: for example.. an ssh session from somewhere else
[02:12] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: screen is the link i just sent you
[02:12] <nalioth> HrdwrBoB: he's reading about it now (or has the link)
[02:12] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: i was starting to read that article then came back here
[02:12] <caine> but wait how am i gonna make ubuntu install for a dual boot and not just completely install over windows
[02:13] <HrdwrBoB> nalioth: ahr
[02:13] <oscurodio> partitioning
[02:13] <HrdwrBoB> caine: don't use all the disk for windows
[02:13] <gizban> how do I find out what kernel version I have?
[02:13] <lsuactiafner> bx doesnt need screen. bx got detach so phje34r its leetness
[02:13] <nalioth> caine: install win9x + winxp THEN ubuntu
[02:13] <lsuactiafner> uname -a gizban
[02:13] <PhantomFreak> Is there a way to batch process in Linux... If so I haven't found it yet!
[02:13] <syntaxerror64> are you guys actually typing out the name of the person your message goes to, such as "syntaxerror64:" or are you doing something to make it easier?
[02:13] <caine> nal: i know that...ur late
[02:13] <lsuactiafner> PhantomFreak : batch what?
[02:13] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: type "nal" and hit <tab>
[02:13] <oscurodio> caine: if you are installing win98 you should use fdisk from your bootdisk (the floppy) to repartition your hdd...since it won't let you once you are in the install
[02:13] <lsuactiafner> man cron
[02:14] <bystander> syntaxerror64: synt <tab>
[02:14] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: thanks that's a ton easier.
[02:14] <ck2> syntaxerror64, and if that doesnt work, keep hitting tab
[02:14] <gizban> thanks
[02:14] <devDelay> anyone have any ideas for install if I can't get the install cd to boot on a new world?
[02:14] <caine> im not using a floppy
[02:14] <devDelay> i hold c and it just spits it out
[02:14] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: autocompletion is common in a lot of *nix terminal apps
[02:14] <nalioth> devDelay: macintosh?
[02:14] <oscurodio> are you installing 98
[02:14] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: i'm learning that, i am just starting to learn the unix command line
[02:14] <devDelay> yes
[02:14] <nalioth> devDelay: use net install
[02:14] <devDelay> with yaboot?
[02:14] <lsuactiafner> i love typing like demon using tab and telling newbs i just type really fast
[02:15] <nalioth> devDelay: or borrow a firewire cd drive
[02:15] <devDelay> i dont have a firewire port on it :-(
[02:15] <nalioth> devDelay: either or
[02:15] <lsuactiafner> ummm
[02:15] <nalioth> devDelay: no usb either?
[02:15] <devDelay> which method of net install?
[02:15] <devDelay> i have usb
[02:15] <caine> im going to install 98...then upgrade to xp (not using an xp cd is why this must be done)...then ima install ubuntu so i can dual boot...but HOW DO I MAKE IT INSTALL AS DUAL BOOT and not overwrite windows
[02:15] <ck2> devDelay, this might help http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SmartBootManagerHowto
[02:15] <PhantomFreak> lsuactiafner: Run 1 program after another.
[02:15] <nalioth> devDelay: it helps if you have a local machine handy on the network
[02:16] <devDelay> i do
[02:16] <nalioth> devDelay: but i'm not sure HOW, i just know that open firmware (at least on my ibook2 dual usb) can netboot
[02:16] <oscurodio> caine: you must partition your hdd so that win98 doesn't use all the space
[02:16] <nalioth> devDelay: external floppy'd be good, too
[02:16] <anto9us> PhantomFreak: to run programs sequentially just put them in a bash script on their own line. To repeat or loop them see http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-7.html
[02:16] <ck2> caine, best is to reserve a partition Linux, but if the win Install wipes it out, the Ubuntu Installer will llet you shrink the windows partition
[02:16] <caine> havnt the slightest clue how to do that
[02:17] <devDelay> yeah its the ibook that came before the dual usb
[02:17] <ck2> caine, then intall windows however it wants to, and shrink it later
[02:17] <nalioth> caine: google "partition dual boot"
[02:17] <nalioth> devDelay: cd drive fuX0rd?
[02:18] <caine> when i install ubuntu is it gonna ask me to partition windows or overwrite it?
[02:18] <yaaar> word
[02:18] <caine> i know its gonna ask me if i wanna clear the hardrive
[02:18] <nalioth> caine: ubuntu will not touch your winduhs, unless you tell it to
[02:18] <ck2> caine, the Ubuntu Installer will llet you shrink the windows partition
[02:18] <tjs> does ubuntu have a gui for init.d, cron and at?
[02:18] <devDelay> nah, I am not sure whats going on, it boots os 9 and up to 10.2 on 700mb discs but it will not boot os 10.3 disc or yellowdog or ubuntu install discs
[02:18] <caine> ok good bye ppl....if i come back bitchin....its cause yall are feeding me b/s lol
[02:19] <ck2> lol
[02:19] <devDelay> but with yellowdog, I copied some stuff to the root of the drive and got yaboot to boot the kernal to install, its just the installer sucks
[02:19] <caine> oh hey how do i safely restart....without hitting the restart button on my machine
[02:19] <devDelay> and wont let me do anything
[02:19] <nalioth> if you come back bitchin, its cuz you insist on having winduhs
[02:19] <caine> lol
[02:19] <anto9us> tjs: webmin has a sort of graphical front end to them
[02:19] <lsuactiafner> why is it that i answer 30 questions and not get an answer myself?
[02:19] <caine> nalioth, i dont have a choice i have to have it
[02:19] <nalioth> devDelay: then do the same here, but with the ubuntu cd
[02:20] <lsuactiafner> suppose i will google..
[02:20] <fan_gnr> I have installed 4 OSs
[02:20] <fan_gnr> only ubuntu works. how should i modified grub, to make all of them work i have detection problems
[02:20] <nalioth> fan_gnr: man grub will give you some hints
[02:21] <CarlFK> fan_gnr - you need to fix your gurb file ;)
[02:21] <fan_gnr> yeah
[02:21] <fan_gnr> grub/menu.lst
[02:21] <fan_gnr> but what should i enter therE?
[02:21] <CarlFK> fan_gnr - the right stuff, which depends on stuff you havn't told us
[02:21] <fan_gnr> oh
[02:22] <fan_gnr> I have installed Mepis 3.3 , ubuntu warty, windows xp, slackware 10.1
[02:22] <CarlFK> fan_gnr - best to do one OS at a time, try to boot, tell us what the problme looks like
[02:22] <bystander> fan_gnr:  sudo fdisk -l  to see your partitions
[02:22] <fan_gnr> I know what my partitions are
[02:22] <nalioth> fan_gnr: "man grub" will help you, cuz you'll need to take your time doing this
[02:22] <tjs> yeh but webmin is a pita
[02:22] <RastaMahata> toy llamando a microsoft :D
[02:23] <fan_gnr> hda1 - windows installed hda2 (extended) hda5 --swap hda6 through hda8 are EXT3
[02:23] <tjs> nm
[02:23] <fan_gnr> oh yeah!
[02:23] <RastaMahata> 800-330-600
[02:23] <fan_gnr> whats that
[02:23] <RastaMahata> tengo que reinstalar, y ni cagando pierdo mi cd key de estudiante :(
[02:23] <bystander> fan_gnr: you basically need to know where your kernels are and point grub at them
[02:24] <RastaMahata> sorry, wrong channel
[02:24] <fan_gnr> k
[02:24] <nalioth> RastaMahata: si, no hablamos espanol acqi
[02:24] <fan_gnr> maybe i should take a grub tutorial
[02:25] <fan_gnr> but is it like if anybody gives me the stuff from their grub menu.lst, and i copy paste it there, will it boot?
[02:25] <fan_gnr> I don't have a custom kernel install nothing........i have just done the default install
[02:26] <bob2> what happened to your menu.lst?
[02:26] <fan_gnr> nothin has happened
[02:26] <fan_gnr> it just doesn't boot to windows and mepis
[02:26] <fan_gnr> slackware is detected fine
[02:27] <fan_gnr> windows too is detected, but i get a message saying chainloader+1
[02:27] <fan_gnr> it is hd0, 0
[02:27] <fan_gnr> should i change to hd0, 1
[02:27] <fan_gnr> ?
[02:27] <metzen> what hd/partition is is on?
[02:28] <ubuntu> i'm running ubuntu live for the first time ever
[02:28] <darkaudit> would an 80-wire cable make much a of a difference for my DVD burner?
[02:28] <fan_gnr> hda1
[02:28] <ck2> darkaudit, i don't think so
[02:28] <fan_gnr> windows is installed on hda
[02:28] <fan_gnr> hda1
[02:29] <fan_gnr> metzen: it is installed on hda1
[02:29] <metzen> fan_gnr: k, thats hd0, 0  in grub
[02:29] <lydgate> how do i see my ide harddrives from ubuntu live
[02:29] <fan_gnr> metzen:so should i change it to hdo, 1
[02:29] <metzen> no
[02:29] <darkaudit> I keep getting odd errors when I try to burn DVDs... 8x media cannot burn properly @ 8x... has to be 6x or lower... but 16x media burns fine... DMA *is* on
[02:29] <fan_gnr> then?
[02:30] <fan_gnr> metzen:how can i make windows work then?
[02:30] <metzen> does your menu.lst look something like this?
[02:30] <fan_gnr> metzen: windows is installed fine. and just the problem is nothing but grub
[02:30] <metzen> title Windows XP
[02:30] <metzen> rootnoverify (hd0,0)
[02:30] <metzen> chainloader +1
[02:31] <nalioth> brb
[02:31] <fan_gnr> yeah
[02:31] <fan_gnr> it does
[02:31] <PhantomFreak> anto9us  Thanks, although I already had an idea of what to do when I send the message! Thanks for the link though... I'm gonna have to read up on that!
[02:31] <fan_gnr> metzen:it looks like that
[02:31] <anto9us> darkaudit: could be your drive not liking that particular brand of 8x media, the specified media speeds are tested under optimimum conditions and are never guaranteed, as I understand it
[02:31] <othernoob> fan_gnr change it to (hd0,1) if win is on hda1
[02:32] <fan_gnr> metzen: so what shoulod i do
[02:32] <bystander> othernoob: NO
[02:32] <fan_gnr> metzen: but you told not to do when i gave you this ida
[02:32] <fan_gnr> idea
[02:32] <anto9us> PhantomFreak: some good reading there ;)
[02:32] <fan_gnr> othernoob: you sure doing that will help?
[02:32] <bystander> fan_gnr: he's wrong
[02:33] <nalioth> HrdwrBoB: too many split windows
[02:33] <fan_gnr> bystander: i am really stuck up , like what should i do
[02:33] <othernoob> eh, no. used to have it on hda2, sorry
[02:33] <gizban> does anyone here use an ATI card and uses the fglrx drivers? I
[02:33] <xhaker> me
[02:33] <metzen> gizban: i do
[02:34] <fan_gnr> bystander, othernooob, metzen: guys, I would like to take a grub tutorial regarding editing menu.lst ......where can i find it?
[02:34] <gizban> I'm stuck in 640x480, and editting the conf file doesn't fix it
[02:34] <nalioth> fan_gnr: there are plenty, google "grub for dummies"
[02:34] <gizban> I mean, I removed 640x480 from xorg.conf but I still goto 640 and can't change out of it
[02:34] <bystander> fan_gnr: it really depends on what "sudo fdisk -l" says about your partitions, and what your current /boot/grub/menu.lst looks like
[02:35] <nalioth> gizban: there is a fix video resolution thing at ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[02:35] <jasface> i have a question - how do i select the root partition when installing ubuntu?
[02:35] <fan_gnr> I will try gurb for dummies
[02:35] <fan_gnr> thank you
[02:35] <islander> amigos
[02:35] <islander> como estan
[02:36] <nalioth> jasface: i don't understand your question
[02:36] <nalioth> islander: no hablamos espanol aqui, en el #ubuntu-es, por favor
[02:36] <lsuactiafner> gizban : VertSync
[02:36] <lsuactiafner> change your Syncs
[02:37] <lsuactiafner> jasface : press enter
[02:37] <jasface> well in setup it has a screen that asks me whether i want to overwrite my entire drive or go to the partition setup thing
[02:38] <jasface> so i go to the partition thing but i don't understand how to use it
[02:38] <abarbaccia>  hey all - i'm having trouble getting an intel webcam workign - i have the modules loaded, and it shows up in gnome meeting, but no picture can be retrieved
[02:38] <anto9us> jasface: you can select "Manually edit partition table" during the boot process then select a partition where you want / to reside or get the installer to auto-allocate a / and swap for you
[02:38] <jasface> yeah that's the option i selected, manually edit partition table
[02:38] <jasface> but then i have no idea how to actually select anything
[02:39] <anto9us> jasface: select an empty partition then add a new partition to it
[02:39] <bystander> jasface: arrow keys and space bar
[02:40] <jasface> ok, space bar, that's what i didn't know about
[02:40] <jasface> thank you, that's probably all i need to know
[02:41] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: how you gettin on?
[02:44] <abarbaccia>  hey all - i'm having trouble getting an intel webcam workign - i have the modules loaded, and it shows up in gnome meeting, but no picture can be retrieved
[02:45] <Iceman> ok, installed the nvidia drivers, not how to enable the resolution
[02:46] <rg58sma> hi
[02:46] <rg58sma> how to make to xmms be rep or mp3 files and not be a totem???
[02:46] <nalioth> rg58sma: evenin'
[02:47] <rg58sma> yes
[02:47] <jpfarias> hey people
[02:48] <rg58sma> jpfarias, hola chaval
[02:48] <jpfarias> is there any page on the wiki about sharing my net access?
[02:48] <jpfarias> rg58sma: actually, I'm brazilian :)
[02:48] <rg58sma> ok
[02:48] <rg58sma> how to make to xmms be rep or mp3 files and not be a totem???
[02:48] <rg58sma> how to make to xmms be rep or mp3 files and not be a totem???
[02:48] <nalioth> rg58sma: perhaps #ubuntu-es (hablamos espanol aja)
[02:49] <hondje> why not name this ubuntu-en? :)
[02:49] <sproingie> because we're usa-centrist pigs
[02:50] <nalioth> hondje: why indeed?
[02:50] <anto9us> jpfarias: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ShareInternetConnection/
[02:50] <nalioth> oink oink
[02:50] <sproingie> soooweeeee
[02:50] <hondje> But ubuntu is an african distro
[02:50] <sproingie> south african
[02:50] <jpfarias> thanks
[02:50] <sproingie> they speak afrikaans and ... guess what
[02:50] <marsh> hi
[02:50] <hondje> 12 other languages
[02:50] <marsh> is 'sudo cd' an illegal move?
[02:51] <sproingie> ubuntu-zulu
[02:51] <sproingie> that's got a ring to it for sure
[02:51] <hondje> send it to the xfce guys...xubuntu zulu
[02:51] <sproingie> marsh: probably.  cd is a built in command
[02:51] <nalioth> marsh: i don't think it'll do it
[02:51] <marsh> so how do I cd to a locked dir?
[02:52] <sproingie> zubuntu
[02:52] <hondje> marsh: sudo -s
[02:52] <hondje> then cd like normal
[02:52] <PhantomFreak> When u use sudo, how long do the privaliges last?
[02:52] <marsh> there is no root password in ubuntu (at least I cant guess it... :(
[02:52] <sproingie> uses zsh instead of bash of course
[02:52] <nalioth> PhantomFreak: 5 minues
[02:52] <nickrud> marsh cd is a bash command, sudo doesn't work with it
[02:52] <nalioth> PhantomFreak: unless you've changed it
[02:52] <PhantomFreak> Can u change the time?
[02:52] <rg58sma> how to make to xmms be rep or mp3 files and not be a totem???
[02:52] <PhantomFreak> then how?
[02:53] <nalioth> rg58sma: i don't understand your question
[02:53] <rg58sma> opk
[02:53] <nickrud> rg58sma if I understand correctly, right click an mp3 file, choose properties, then select xmms
[02:53] <nickrud> rg58sma under open with (all english, you must translate :)
[02:53] <rg58sma> when i double-click in my mp3 files
[02:53] <nalioth> rg58sma: ?esta no personas en #ubuntu-es?
[02:53] <jpfarias> anto9us: and what about dns forwarding?
[02:53] <PhantomFreak> Is there a sudo param which defines the length of the privaliges!
[02:53] <PhantomFreak> I haven't found one!
[02:53] <sproingie> PhantomFreak: man sudo!
[02:54] <rg58sma> please nalioth speak in english
[02:54] <PhantomFreak> I looked at that already!
[02:54] <nalioth> rg58sma: yes, i agree, my spanish suX0rs
[02:54] <hondje> por que, si prefiere espanol :)
[02:54] <jpfarias> rg58sma: do you know hot do I enable it?
[02:55] <sproingie> PhantomFreak: /usr/share/doc/sudo!
[02:55] <sproingie> PhantomFreak: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (just a few more for good measure)
[02:55] <Iceman> who can help me reconfig my display, i only get 640x480 resolution ,,, no choice above
[02:55] <hondje> Iceman: two parts
[02:56] <nalioth> Iceman: have you been to the 'fix resolution' on ubuntuguide.org/wiki/?
[02:56] <Iceman> I installed the nvidia driver, at least i get the splash nvidia screen
[02:56] <hondje> Iceman: did you add the desired resolutions to xorg.conf?
[02:56] <_Church_of_FoamY> how do you get a ppc to boot off of the cd rom?
[02:56] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: hondje, hello once again
[02:56] <nalioth> _Church_of_FoamY: hold the "c" key aftet the chiime
[02:56] <hondje> Yo
[02:57] <syntaxerror64> had to run out for a bit
[02:57] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: back from the books, eh?
[02:57] <Iceman> hondje xf86config ... should i run it .. or how
[02:57] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: had to run up and fill the car, gas is going up by the hour again
[02:57] <nalioth> Iceman: hoary doesnt use xfree, it uses xorg
[02:57] <hondje> Iceman: I don't know how that works...I would just run 'sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf', and scroll down...it's pretty obvious where to add them :)
[02:57] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: yes i drive a taxi, i know very well
[02:58] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: where abouts are you?
[02:58] <_Church_of_FoamY> ok
[02:58] <islander> I am trying to install a graphic bootsplash for ubuntu, but my kernel is not located at /usr/src/linux
[02:58] <islander> Where may I find the kernel
[02:58] <Iceman> ill look ... thanks
[02:58] <hondje> Iceman: after adding the resolutions, like "1024x768", google the specs of your monitor and set HorizSync and VertRefresh, in the monitor section, to the proper values
[02:59] <_Church_of_FoamY> ppc's can't read from cdrw can they?
[02:59] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: houston, tx
[02:59] <nalioth> _Church_of_FoamY: how old is the PPC in question?
[02:59] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: not too far away then
[02:59] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: on teh same planet, i'm sure
[02:59] <_Church_of_FoamY> 5400/180
[02:59] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: yes last time i checked
[02:59] <laser> Iceman go to  root/etc/x11/ change xorg.conf bw careful with the refresh you can fry your monitor
[03:00] <_Church_of_FoamY> ppc 5400/180
[03:00] <jpfarias> hey, anyone knows how to do dns forwarding?
[03:00] <nalioth> _Church_of_FoamY: you might have an issue with cdrw and that
[03:00] <islander> Does anybody knows where may I find the linux kernel for ubuntu
[03:00] <_Church_of_FoamY> :(
[03:00] <_Church_of_FoamY> damnit lol
[03:00] <_Church_of_FoamY> oh well
[03:00] <Iceman> i get options in xorg.conf for 1024x768  but not in the system manager ..
[03:00] <nalioth> _Church_of_FoamY: i don't think ubuntu will run on that machine, anyway
[03:01] <_Church_of_FoamY> really?
[03:01] <_Church_of_FoamY> whynot?
[03:01] <laser> I got myself same problem 60Hz sucks
[03:01] <hondje> Iceman: okay, that means you need to edit the vert/horiz settings
[03:01] <nalioth> _Church_of_FoamY: its kind of old
[03:01] <_Church_of_FoamY> yea i know
[03:01] <hondje> same for laser
[03:01] <_Church_of_FoamY> i got 17 of them
[03:01] <Iceman> how .. where
[03:01] <nalioth> _Church_of_FoamY: iirc, its an 'old world' machine
[03:01] <nalioth> _Church_of_FoamY: 17?
[03:01] <_Church_of_FoamY> i was hoping to put linux on them to make them have new life
[03:01] <hondje> Iceman: google the model of your monitor and specifications, like I would do hp v72 specifications
[03:01] <nalioth> _Church_of_FoamY: try penguinppc.org and see what ya got
[03:01] <_Church_of_FoamY> yea i get them when the local schools upgrade there computers
[03:02] <Iceman> 85 mhz for my monitor works great
[03:02] <_Church_of_FoamY> and i get them for free too
[03:02] <HrdwrBoB> Hz not mhz :)
[03:02] <Iceman> ;)
[03:02] <hondje> If you don't have the right values for vert/horiz, you won't get good refresh rates and can't go all the resolutions
[03:02] <HrdwrBoB> I prefer LCD
[03:02] <Iceman> 60 - 85 range
[03:03] <Iceman> 85 works well
[03:03] <nalioth> _Church_of_FoamY: penguinppc.org will fix ya up
[03:03] <Iceman> where do i make the change
[03:03] <hondje> xorg.conf, in the monitor section
[03:03] <islander> I am trying to install a graphic bootsplash for ubuntu, but my kernel is not located at /usr/src/linux
[03:04] <hondje> islander: that's where the kernel source normally is
[03:04] <islander> not in my computer
[03:04] <islander> where should I find it
[03:04] <Iceman> don't see any settings in the xorg.conf file for refresh
[03:04] <islander> the only directory that I have there is rpm
[03:05] <hondje> you have to download the kernel-source pkg, cd /usr/src, tar -xvjf the tarball, and ln -s new_dir ./Linux
[03:05] <_Church_of_FoamY> which one do i use lol
[03:05] <_Church_of_FoamY> theres many there to choose from
[03:05] <laser> Iceman look carefully you will find it
[03:06] <hondje> Iceman: In my monitor section, I have  HorizSync       30-70 and VertRefresh     50-140
[03:06] <Iceman> Section "Monitor"
[03:06] <Iceman> 	Identifier	"Visual Sensa"
[03:06] <Iceman> 	Option		"DPMS"
[03:06] <Iceman> all i got in list
[03:06] <laser> change to 69-85
[03:06] <hondje> change what?
[03:07] <laser> for ice tha
[03:07] <anto9us> jpfarias: Easiest might be to set up a dhcp server. See http://ubuntuguide.org/#dhcpserver
[03:07] <Iceman> i just did a search for horizsync .. nothing
[03:08] <hondje> Iceman: what's the model of your monitor?
[03:08] <nickrud> Iceman google your exact monitor with VertRefresh, if your monitor is common you'll find a working xorg/xfree86
[03:08] <laser> ice change from 30-70- to 69-85
[03:08] <hondje> And in the future save that little booklet that comes with monitors :D
[03:08] <nickrud> lol
[03:08] <bignose_> hello
[03:08] <hondje> laser: Do you know the specs for his monitor?
[03:08] <Iceman> kds Visual Sensations 17
[03:09] <TMM> nickrud, I learned to do that ever since I had that nec multisync :) keep the booklet :)
[03:09] <hondje> Iceman: ah, I have that same one
[03:09] <Iceman> no listing for a refresh rate in the file
[03:09] <TMM> xfree3 wasn't too forgiving when it came to autoprobe :P
[03:09] <nickrud> TMM I have the booklet, just not the monitor any more :0
[03:09] <hondje> but it's on the missus' mac...
[03:09] <laser> if this is a fairly new monitor those settings are pretty safe
[03:09] <bignose_> question, i've got a dual head setup on one vid card, will ubuntu do or provide any tools to make setting this up easy ? i've done it before by hand with VI and XF86Config, but just don't really feel like doing it again ;)
[03:10] <TMM> I've got a nice new project, I got a big ass honking 22" monitor, without booklet, that is apparently unisync (or whatever its called) it's going to be fun :)
[03:10] <Iceman> how to add refresh rate line ... whats config file
[03:10] <TMM> fixed-sync I believe it's called
[03:10] <hondje> TMM: hehe, good luck :D
[03:10] <TMM> won't even do text mode, probably from a *nix workstation
[03:10] <Iceman> xorg.config ... whats command to run config tool
[03:11] <juju> hello someone knows a good repository for "deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted"  this two do not work
[03:11] <TMM> hondje, well, I got a VERY old 21" ibm to work (sam problem) and an old SGI monitor that had the same problem, it's just a matter of a vga switch and lots of patience :)
[03:11] <hondje> I never had much luck with thoe old ones, TMM
[03:12] <laser> this is at text file that you can edit just click on it and edit
[03:12] <TMM> hondje, but, hey, you can't say no to 3x 21-22" on your desktop :)
[03:12] <hondje> TMM: No, indeed I could not :(
[03:12] <TMM> hondje, just get creative with the modelines :)
[03:12] <TMM> hondje, and a soldering iron :P
[03:12] <hondje> Yeah, way out of my field
[03:12] <hondje> :)
[03:13] <Iceman> brb
[03:13] <nickrud> TMM you are a masochist.
[03:13] <spartas> Iceman, it's dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:13] <TMM> for the SGI I had to seperate the sync on green with a small circuit before it would accept input from a 'normal' vga card
[03:13] <hondje> I hate that thing, rarely makes the file right, just decent defaults :(
[03:13] <TMM> that was particulary funny :)
[03:14] <spartas> it's good if you mess up the file beyond repair, but other than that you're better off on your own
[03:14] <TMM> no, I had to merge them, not seperate them
[03:14] <nickrud> TMM I spent too much time at a bench to find that funny :)
[03:15] <TMM> nickrud, it was about 3 years ago, it was a 21" SUPER CLEAR vga monitor... I was laughing all the way to the bank when I got it to work, I got the thing for free :)
[03:15] <nickrud> TMM , but if you billed yourself ... ;)
[03:16] <TMM> nickrud, even then, what's the listprice for a 21" crt monitor today in the high end? :)
[03:16] <Chislon> i am trying to make Gaim thinner, it wont go thinner, is there anyway to get it thinner? if not... why not?
[03:16] <hondje> thinner?
[03:16] <nickrud> although, if someone gave me one, I think I'd try
[03:16] <bignose_> www.canadamonitors.com is where i got my 21 inch, like 350cad 3 years ago.
[03:16] <we2by> ubuntu rox!
[03:16] <TMM> bignose_, what kind?? :)
[03:17] <bignose_> TMM: it's a sun/sony trinitron.
[03:17] <calc> TMM: i think its very hard to find a decent 21" crt monitor anymore
[03:17] <anto9us> we2by: we know :)
[03:17] <hondje> those are nice monitors
[03:17] <TMM> bignose_, humm... mine's a sgi/sony trinitron
[03:17] <calc> TMM: most companies have stopped making anything other than low end crt shit
[03:17] <benplaut> we2by: that's why we're all using it
[03:17] <Chislon> hondje, like not as wide?
[03:17] <bignose_> also have a view sonic 810p i got for 250cad used. so i'm running dual 21's. it's nice.
[03:17] <hondje> Chislon: oh
[03:17] <TMM> bignose_, I'm going for quad :)
[03:17] <bignose_> TMM: i'd have to move my head too much. 2 21's is enough excercise.
[03:17] <benplaut> CRTs are way better than LCD... i dunno why the populus has switched...
[03:18] <bignose_> agreed.
[03:18] <benplaut> well...
[03:18] <chaosmind> is it feasable/recommended to install the latest binary Nvidia drivers, or should i wait for them to show up in Synaptic?
[03:18] <nickrud> desk depth
[03:18] <Chislon> hondje, anyway to make it smaller, its like an inch bigger than i want or need it to be... i thought you could customize everything in linux?
[03:18] <benplaut> we still have ebay :)
[03:18] <hondje> chaosmind: install 'em, not that hard :)
[03:18] <hondje> Chislon: just click on the edge and dragging it not working?
[03:19] <chaosmind> the script complains when i try to run in under runlevel 1
[03:19] <ck2> chaosmind, how recient is lastes?
[03:19] <chaosmind> and i can't run it w/X running
[03:19] <TMM> bignose_, admitattetly, I still have to find a use for 3 21" monitors on my desk... I suppose I could put the 22" one in the middle with the other two on the side... that would LOOK very good at least, even if I just use the 3rd screen for rhythmbox :)
[03:19] <Chislon> hondje, correct
[03:19] <calc> benplaut: they should make new CRT monitors using that new super thin tech
[03:19] <chaosmind> latest came out... oh, June 1st?
[03:19] <calc> benplaut: iirc it allows 36"+ TVs to be around 10" deep
[03:19] <benplaut> calc: that kinda defeats the purpose
[03:19] <hondje> chaosmind: just log out of gnome, ctrl-alt-f1, and then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:19] <benplaut> true on the second point...
[03:19] <Chislon> hondje, i can make it wider or longer and shorter... but it wont go in past what its at... and its got too much extra space
[03:19] <ck2> chaosmind - not sure hew ones will be released unless there is a bug in the old ones
[03:19] <hondje> Then it won't complain
[03:19] <calc> benplaut: well it could still possibly be better quality than LCD
[03:19] <bignose_> TMM: i tend to use one of them for my webbrowser, and putty in the other [i run XP....]  it's great for debugging.
[03:20] <chaosmind> hondje, THANKS!
[03:20] <benplaut> calc: yeah
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> TMM: I use to have 2x19, 21/19, 21/21, 21/19, 21, and now I have a 17" LCD
[03:20] <TMM> bignose_, ow, yeah, for developing stuff it's great to have multiple monitors
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> these days I would prefer a single 24" dell
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> at 1920x1200
[03:20] <ck2> chaosmind, but maybe there will in universe - just not main or restricted where I think the current ones are
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> (LCD)
[03:20] <bignose_> anyways, i'm out. might get to try ubunto tonite.
[03:20] <calc> 3 way apple 30" lcd would be nice
[03:20] <bignose_> no it wouldn't.
[03:20] <hondje> chaosmind: You could also just run the script with --no-runlevel-check
[03:20] <TMM> bignose_, perhaps I could use one as a dedicated qemu screen or something, I always seem to be running one linux distro or the other in qemu while I'm doing stuff
[03:21] <liz4rd> has anyone install enlightenment on ubuntu?
[03:21] <chaosmind> ck2, thx, i'll check that out!
[03:21] <chaosmind> i've run e16 on ubuntu.... quite pretty!
[03:21] <calc> bignose_: set up a track for your chair and move down it to the different screens :)
[03:21] <bignose_> calc: it would be fun, but i think there is too much of a good thing.
[03:21] <chaosmind> enlightenment 17, however, was beyond me to install.
[03:21] <TMM> HrdwrBoB, this system is my laptop, and my primary workstation, just a 17" LCD here too, but for developing stuff a second display really, really rocks :) having a whole screen for vi and the other for gdb really seems to speed up things :)
[03:21] <ck2> calc - put the monitors on a track and wip them back and forth ;0
[03:21] <calc> 2 21" is definitely barely enough once you have used it
[03:21] <liz4rd> does it even work?
[03:22] <calc> though much wider would be hard to see without moving
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> TMM: yeah I usually use my laptop with x2x
[03:22] <chaosmind> e16 worked quite well...
[03:22] <liz4rd> i apt-get install enlightenment but it didnt know on GDM
[03:22] <liz4rd> show*
[03:22] <hondje> e17 builds pretty easily
[03:22] <chaosmind> although there were just enough cosmetic details.... like no drag-n-drop!
[03:22] <bignose_> i find the more space i have, the less effeciently i use it.
[03:22] <chaosmind> so i'm back to GNOME!
[03:22] <calc> i still have only a single 21" at home, have 2 21" at work but at lower res :\ 1280x1024 60hz crt (gag)
[03:22] <TMM> bignose_, that's the whole POINT :) you don't HAVE to be effective :)
[03:23] <we2by> Ubuntu only needs some small aplets to amke it a bit more userfriendly
[03:23] <hondje> we2by: like what?
[03:23] <we2by> It should be so userfriendly that the enduser does not even have to use the terminal
[03:23] <TMM> ow yeah, I've fixed a small bug with menu-xdg, where do I go to put the patch?
[03:24] <we2by> hondje, like a wizard to configure your box the way the end user like
[03:24] <liz4rd> is it even possible to install enlightenment?
[03:24] <calc> TMM: what is the bug
[03:24] <nalioth> liz4rd: i have run enlightenment
[03:24] <we2by> or a small movie to teach the user how to get started
[03:24] <nickrud> TMM start at bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:24] <TMM> calc, no 'adventure' category in the games subsection
[03:24] <liz4rd> nalioth: how come after i apt-get it it doesnt show up on GDM?
[03:24] <hondje> Bugzilla sucks, I'd apt-cache show menu-xdg | grep Maint and email him
[03:24] <TMM> calc, like I said 'small' :)
[03:24] <calc> TMM: yea file bug at the site
[03:24] <nalioth> we2by: you mean like gdesklets?
[03:24] <calc> TMM: hmm that is strange
[03:24] <bignose_> TMM: so does ubuntu have anything to make setting dual heads up easy or do i have to hack the XorgConfig myself ?
[03:25] <nalioth> liz4rd: i don't know. i compiled mine from the latest source
[03:25] <calc> TMM: are there apps that should be in there installed on your system?
[03:25] <TMM> bignose_, wouldn't know, the dual head box runs debian sid
[03:25] <we2by> nalioth, no
[03:25] <bignose_> ah, gotcha.
[03:25] <liz4rd> nalioth: is that it just compiled and it was up on GDM?
[03:25] <bignose_> well. partition magic is doing it's think, i gotta go.
[03:25] <nalioth> liz4rd: do you mean it doesnt show at the login where you have WM choices?
[03:25] <liz4rd> nalioth: yes
[03:25] <TMM> calc, yeah, beneath a steel sky and flight of the amazon queen, and, after editing the menu-xdg config file, they show up in their apporpriate menus
[03:26] <calc> TMM: hmm ok
[03:26] <TMM> calc, so I think they should be there by default
[03:26] <calc> TMM: yea menu-xdg generates the menus based on what menu program tells it to
[03:26] <we2by> damn, my box is so beautifull
[03:26] <calc> so it is strange that it isn't getting created
[03:26] <hondje> aren't the sections standardized?
[03:26] <calc> hondje: somewhat
[03:26] <TMM> calc, but, it has a config file to tell it what debian menus to copy, and which ones not
[03:26] <nalioth> liz4rd: easy fix. go to /usr/share/xsessions and open a .desktop file. make a new one from teh template of the old one for your enlightenment
[03:26] <hondje> that whole fd.o thing?
[03:26] <calc> hondje: but anything is allowed from what i recall
[03:26] <hondje> ah
[03:27] <liz4rd> nalioth: wanna run me threw it?
[03:27] <calc> hondje: menu-xdg just converts debian menu files into xdg/fdo readable entries for gnome/kde/etc
[03:27] <TMM> calc, check out /etc/xdg/menus/debian-menu.menu
[03:27] <nalioth> liz4rd: did that make sense?
[03:27] <calc> TMM: hmm, i'll see
[03:27] <hondje> calc: ah, that's what does the voodoo :)
[03:27] <liz4rd> nah not really i'm sort of a n00b still
[03:27] <nalioth> liz4rd: go to that dir, open kde.desktop or gnome.desktop in a text editor
[03:28] <calc> debian-menu.menu used to be the menu that it showed and was generated from what menu told it to do (not really a config file) perhaps someone modified it
[03:28] <nalioth> liz4rd: change the proper terms "stardke" to "start_e17" or whatever starts e
[03:28] <TMM> calc, it has *all* the debian categories in it, except for games/adventure
[03:28] <nalioth> and the other listings on down the line
[03:28] <calc> TMM: ok i'll take a look to see what is going on
[03:28] <nalioth> liz4rd: when you are done, "SAVE AS" enlightenment.desktop
[03:29] <TMM> calc, so, you'll handle this? then I won't file a bug report :)
[03:29] <nalioth> liz4rd: purty simple
[03:29] <liz4rd> oh god you lost me can i /msg you?
[03:29] <nalioth> liz4rd: ya gonna be here a while?
[03:29] <calc> TMM: i don't maintain it in ubuntu so it would be good to still file the bug
[03:29] <liz4rd> if you want yes...
[03:29] <TMM> calc, it's easy to fix btw, just copy 'arcarde' and replace 'arcade' with 'adventure' and 'Adventure' with 'Adventure' and all is well
[03:29] <nalioth> liz4rd: i've g2g get dinner
[03:29] <calc> TMM: btw i don't see either of those programs in ubuntu, are they packaged elsewhere?
[03:29] <liz4rd> alright
[03:29] <TMM> calc, universe
[03:29] <calc> TMM: that file is autogenerated so its not as easy to fix as that :\
[03:29] <nalioth> liz4rd: be back in about 20 or 30 minutes
[03:30] <TMM> calc, but that's what menu-xdg is for anyway
[03:30] <liz4rd> alright
[03:30] <calc> ah i found the package now
[03:30] <nalioth> liz4rd: open one of those .desktop files and have a look while i'm gone
[03:30] <nalioth> bbl
[03:30] <TMM> calc, the thing IS installed with the menu-xdg package, it is not gererated at install-time i think
[03:30] <snowseal> vlc wont give me video when plaaying an .asx file.
[03:30] <calc> fsck i can't install it because its not ported to amd64 :\
[03:30] <TMM> calc, doesn't matter, if scummvm is, it should work
[03:31] <TMM> calc, scummvm's the interpreter for beneath a steel sky and flight of the amazon queen
[03:31] <TMM> calc, or do you mean menu-xdg?
[03:31] <calc> TMM: scummvm is the thing not ported apparently
[03:31] <TMM> calc, no? afaik scummvm should work just fine on x86-64
[03:31] <calc> i can still test it though i just need to get the i386 .menu file
[03:32] <[koji] > i have an external usb dvd burner that is on /dev/scd0 what is the command to have it play on mplayer?
[03:32] <FR500> hello
[03:32] <TMM> calc, there are a couple of other programs that should install in adventure
[03:32] <calc> TMM: oh it may be part of the breezy c++ transition then
[03:32] <TMM> calc, let me look one up for you
[03:32] <FR500> anyone had luck with ubuntu and a WPC54gs wifi card?
[03:32] <calc> TMM: thanks
[03:33] <leitao_> my ubunut doesnt have malloc manual. how can i install it?
[03:33] <bob2> leitao_: manpages-dev
[03:34] <FR500> hello
[03:34] <FR500> anyone had luck with ubuntu and a WPC54gs wifi card?
[03:34] <leitao_> bob2 : thx
[03:34] <bob2> no need to repeat
[03:34] <bob2> what did google have to say?
[03:34] <calc> TMM: i got amazon queen menu file i'll look at it now
[03:35] <gizban> thanks to whoever suggested fixing my versync to fix my ATI problem.  No longer in 640 now
[03:35] <TMM> calc, ok, adonthell should do it too
[03:35] <FR500> bob2, sorry i wasnt identified i thought meesages didnt appear when unidentified
[03:37] <calc> TMM: i can reproduce it here
[03:37] <calc> TMM: now looking to see if i can find out why
[03:37] <leitao_> what unit is MiB? 1 MiB = 1Gb?
[03:37] <calc> new IEEE megabytes
[03:38] <bob2> million bytes
[03:38] <TMM> calc, ok, cool, try adding that adventure section to the menu file, it'll work after that
[03:38] <calc> MiB == 2^20
[03:38] <bob2> woah
[03:38] <calc> MB has been redefined to 10^6
[03:38] <calc> shoot IEEE lusers
[03:38] <bob2> that's moronic
[03:38] <calc> exactly
[03:38] <calc>   flight-of-the-amazon-queen: Depends: scummvm (>= 0.6.0-1) but it is not going to be installed
[03:38] <calc> er sorry for that paste
[03:38] <calc> TMM: er now i can't reproduce the bug
[03:38] <leitao_> calc, bob2 : thx
[03:39] <calc> TMM: i found out very quickly why i thought i could
[03:39] <Azmodan> I'd like to create a .torrent file, do I need to apt-get something to do it ?
[03:39] <calc> TMM: try rerunning update-menus as root
[03:39] <TMM> calc, adonthell should do it
[03:39] <calc> TMM: the reason i couldn't make it generate the file was because i didn't actually have the package installed
[03:39] <FR500> oh, bob2 google said other users have the same issue but no solution
[03:39] <[koji] > I have dvd1 -> scd0 , I tried playing it using 'mplayer dvd1://' It returns "Unable to open URL: dvd1://"
[03:39] <calc> and menu program checks to see if the package is installed before actually using the .menu file
[03:40] <bob2> [koji] : mplayer -dvd /dev/dvd1 dvd://
[03:40] <calc> so i had to change it to eg:  ?package(grub):
[03:40] <calc> once i changed that it worked perfectly for me
[03:40] <IFRFLYR> Can anyone tell me the difference between gnome and ubuntu desktop? Does removing ubuntu desktop bork my gnome installation
[03:41] <hondje> IFRFLYR: ubuntu-desktop is a metapkg, it's safe to remove
[03:41] <IFRFLYR> Thanks, hondje!
[03:41] <chaosmind> "ubuntu desktop" is a meta-package for a bunch of files... safe to remove
[03:42] <nickrud> IFRFLYR the word I hear, is that ubuntu-desktop will be useful for upgrading to breezy when it's released
[03:42] <hondje> probably, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:42] <bob2> hondje: wel, you will have problems upgrading to breezy without it
[03:42] <bob2> IFRFLYR: why do you want to remove it?
[03:42] <TMM> calc, without editing the menu file?
[03:42] <IFRFLYR> Righto. THanks chaosmind. Thanks nickrud. The issue is that ever since upgrading the updated firefox I've been having strange problems. I am wondering if the ubuntudesktop package is causing them?
[03:42] <hondje> bob2: can't just edit the repos and install ubuntu-desktop?
[03:42] <calc> TMM: the thing i editted was just so that it wouldn't ignore the file for me
[03:43] <bob2> IFRFLYR: no, it's not causing problems with firefox
[03:43] <calc> TMM: so it should work fine without editting on your box assuming you actually have the package installed
[03:43] <nickrud> IFRFLYR i have no clue, what updated firefox :)
[03:43] <bob2> hondje: well, yeah, but you have to remember to install it before upgrading
[03:43] <IFRFLYR> No, but together causing problems with my gnome? 1.0.2 ubuntu
[03:43] <IFRFLYR> (firefox that is)
[03:43] <bob2> no
[03:43] <calc> TMM: you can look for the files related to the adventure category under /var/lib/menu-xdg/
[03:43] <bob2> the ubuntu-desktop doesn't do anything except ensure other things are installed
[03:43] <hondje> bob2: that's odd, thanks for letting mek now
[03:44] <bob2> hondje: hm? about upgrades?
[03:44] <nickrud> IFRFLYR you can fool firefox, by searching in about:config for vendorsub, and changing it to 1.0.4
[03:44] <IFRFLYR> I see. Could it crash looking to reconcile things? I'm grasping at straws here
[03:44] <hondje> bob2: That the metapkg was needed for going to breezy
[03:44] <calc> the menu entry file should be under: /var/lib/menu-xdg/applications/menu-xdg/   the actual menu directory entry should be under /var/lib/menu-xdg/desktop-directories/menu-xdg/
[03:44] <IFRFLYR> I see, nice trick nickrud
[03:44] <TMM> calc, that is odd, because it really doesn't work for me... odd
[03:44] <nalioth> back
[03:44] <nickrud> IFRFLYR I'm only a parrot here
[03:45] <bob2> hondje: well, otherwise you won't get new packages for the desktop, e.g. beagle or whatever
[03:45] <hondje> ah, makes perfect sense
[03:45] <IFRFLYR> here's the thing: the last update I did (through software update) installed FF1.0.2 and mozila firefox gnome support. Since then my fan has been running almost constantly.
[03:45] <IFRFLYR> I'm trying to put two and two together. . .  .
[03:45] <IFRFLYR> I should say, since *around* then my fan has been running a lot.
[03:45] <calc> TMM: yea file a bug about it, there are some ways to turn on debugging as well but i don't recall what they are currently
[03:46] <calc> TMM: so they may want you to give them a log of the output
[03:46] <leitao_> does anyone know some free alternative to partition magic? (on-the-fly repartition)
[03:46] <^thehatsrule^> parted
[03:46] <^thehatsrule^> is free :)
[03:46] <^thehatsrule^> or qtparted if you want a nice gui
[03:47] <IFRFLYR> removal of gnome support for firefox, synaptic tells me, required removal of ubuntu desktop
[03:47] <hondje> gparted, too
[03:47] <hondje> nice frontend
[03:47] <IFRFLYR> that was why I asked.
[03:47] <^thehatsrule^> ah yes, that too
[03:47] <bob2> IFRFLYR: right, because ubuntu-desktop Depends on all the basic desktop packages
[03:47] <IFRFLYR> bob2, thanks. But removing it, you say, is safe.
[03:48] <Tsingi> My X has dropped to 640 by 480 after inadvertently booting with the install disk.  Is there a setup prog I can run to put it right?
[03:48] <bob2> IFRFLYR: except insomuch as it will make upgrades painful, yes
[03:48] <bob2> IFRFLYR: I'd be very surprised if it helped, tho
[03:48] <IFRFLYR> Me too. Can anyone think of anything else I might look at? Temps are well within normal range, I have latest kernel and linux headers.....Damn
[03:49] <Tsingi> ok, anyone know what package Debian X Window System Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) is in?
[03:49] <IFRFLYR> I was thinking that FF was part of the problem and therefore removing it completely and seeing if it disappears...
[03:49] <nalioth> leitao_: and qtparted is a gui for parted
[03:49] <bob2> Tsingi: probably isn't in ubuntu, but http://people.debian.org/~branden/
[03:49] <herpes> hi everybody
[03:50] <Tsingi> bob2: it's the first link in other documentation in the ubuntu help system.
[03:50] <bob2> hah, wow
[03:50] <ubuntu> how
[03:50] <nickrud> should be
[03:50] <TMM> calc, I'll look into it, thanks
[03:51] <Tsingi> bob2: The Uniform Resource Identifier file:///usr/share/doc/xorg-common/FAQ.xhtml is invalid or does not point to an actual file.
[03:51] <leitao_> nalioth : is it stable? my hd will not me crashed?
[03:51] <leitao_> s/hd/hd data/
[03:51] <ryan_> anyone know how to fix glitchy dvd playback
[03:51] <nalioth> leitao_: do you have NTFS on your hd?
[03:51] <nalioth> ryan_: enable DMA
[03:51] <nickrud> ryan_ eh, see nalioth
[03:51] <ryan_> how do i do that
[03:51] <leitao_> nalioth : sure not!
[03:52] <nalioth> leitao_: well, if you dont have NTFS, parted works great
[03:52] <goldfish> ryan_: hdparm -d1 /dev/whatever ur dvd is
[03:52] <leitao_> leitao_ : ext3. only ubuntu.. i want increase swap space
[03:52] <nickrud> ryan_ lfor the pedantic version, ls -l /dev/dvd
[03:52] <Tsingi> bob2: It's there
[03:52] <bob2> leitao_: you can just make a swap file on an existing partition
[03:52] <nickrud> then, sudo hdparm -d1 whatever /dev/dvd is linked to
[03:52] <IFRFLYR> Does anyone have any ideas about this weird fan problem I have? Oh, pretty please?
[03:53] <bob2> IFRFLYR: have you asked on the mailing list? does downgrading your kernel fix it?
[03:53] <bob2> etc
[03:53] <angela_> fudge fried that install... trying to get the video settrings ...
[03:53] <ryan_> its hdb
[03:53] <leitao_> bob2 : oh, that is good. i'll search for any doc!
[03:53] <angela_> Why the hell cant  cant you just ran a dang driver and have it installed ...
[03:54] <angela_> all this configuration crap ..
[03:54] <bob2> angela_: what driver do you have to install manually?
[03:54] <leitao_> bob2: any tip?
[03:54] <IFRFLYR> bob2, yes, I've tried the list repeatedly and no one has answered. And i have the latest kernel. Friendly folks at devel confirmed that the processor was working well, and we prety much ruled out kernel issues.
[03:54] <ryan_> nickrud: that just displays hdparms' options
[03:54] <IFRFLYR> Now I;m down to software and the biggest suspect to me is FF, only because ... well, because.
[03:55] <IFRFLYR> and the problems seemed to start right after the FF 1.0.2 upgrade.
[03:56] <bob2> IFRFLYR: what is the problem?
[03:56] <bob2> firefox can't make your system crash
[03:56] <hondje> leitao_: http://enterprise.linux.com/enterprise/05/03/02/2250257.shtml?tid=129&tid=42
[03:57] <bored2k> is there a way to enable the keyboard's media hotkeys on xmms/beep ?
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> bob2: *shouldn't
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> it can easily run you out of ram
[03:57] <bob2> leitao_: don't know of any off-hand, sorry
[03:57] <nickrud> ryan_ sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdb , assuming that's the right device, will not dump the help, but say something about 'setting using dma to 1', etc
[03:57] <bob2> HrdwrBoB: yeah, but then the OOM killer will kill things
[03:57] <bob2> most likely FF
[03:57] <ryan_>  -z   re-read partition table
[03:57] <ryan_> ryan@ubuntu:~/ubuntu5.04$ sudo hdparm -dl /dev/hdb
[03:57] <ryan_> hdparm - get/set hard disk parameters - version v5.8
[03:57] <ryan_> Usage:  hdparm  [options]  [device]  ..
[03:57] <ryan_> Options:
[03:57] <ryan_>  -a   get/set fs readahead
[03:57] <ryan_>  -A   set drive read-lookahead flag (0/1)
[03:57] <ryan_>  -b   get/set bus state (0 == off, 1 == on, 2 == tristate)
[03:57] <ryan_>  -B   set Advanced Power Management settin
[03:58] <HrdwrBoB> bob2: yeah, it take a while and it's still not pleasant
[03:58] <FR500> ryan_, dont flood here
[03:58] <FR500> ryan_, go to pastebin
[03:58] <nickrud> ryan, that's a 1, not an l
[03:58] <nickrud> ryan_ ell
[03:58] <ryan_> damn, ok thanks
[03:59] <nickrud> ryan_ np, pick a better font :)\
[03:59] <Tsingi> ok, the x config file is xorg.conf.  I can try to edit that by hand, I have the monitor specs here.  But when Ubuntu installed the default for my monitor was fine.  Does anyone know what app/script is run when X is setup on Ubuntu?
[03:59] <ryan_> hah ill work on it
[03:59] <bored2k> how can I make custom keyboard shortcuts :/ ?
[03:59] <hondje> bored2k: in gnome, system -> preferences -> keyboard shortcuts
[04:00] <Tsingi> The faq on bobs site talks about XFFree86Config, which I'm familiar with but is not there.
[04:00] <bob2> Tsingi: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, will run it again
[04:00] <Tsingi> bob2: thanks
[04:00] <bored2k> hondje: I know but I want to create my own like an xmms shortcut
[04:01] <hondje> bored2k: oh, you'll probably want xkb then
[04:01] <bored2k> hondje: apt-get install ?
[04:02] <nickrud> bored2k use gconf-editor, metacity->, you can set custom commands and the associated keybindings there
[04:02] <hondje> Once again showing, hondje does things in a very harder-than-need-be way :)
[04:03] <bored2k> nickrud: thanks :D / thanks hondje also !
[04:03] <IFRFLYR> bob2: FF seems to spark swap hits up the wazoo....causing my HD fan to turn on ;)
[04:03] <nickrud> hondje no, those are the common ones, the geeky ones are in gconf-editor :)
[04:03] <hondje> I lack proper geekiness
[04:03] <IFRFLYR> I just did swapoff and swap on...after killing FF....And lo and behold, the fan turned off!
[04:04] <nalioth_> damn lag was up to 2 days
[04:04] <angela_> bob2 was trying the nvidia driver ... only had 640x480 resolution ... ran xorg.config and screwed it all to hell
[04:05] <bob2> angela_: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:05] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: still here?
[04:05] <richard> Has anyone received thier Ubuntu Free CDs?
[04:05] <bob2> richard: lots of people have
[04:05] <bob2> richard: when did you order?
[04:05] <angela_> poorly written ... it did not help in the horiz and vertical sync settings ...
[04:05] <bob2> indeed
[04:06] <bob2> but it does mean that you don't have to go around installing things from nvidia.com
[04:06] <nalioth_> syntaxerror64: yes
[04:06] <richard> Oh I just got mine a week ago! :) I honestly didn't think they would come.
[04:06] <hondje> the only benefit I see is not having to download kernel headers, etc
[04:06] <bob2> richard: ah
[04:06] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: i don't care much for thunderbird on linux, can you tell me what the other was you recommended again?
[04:06] <angela_> true .. but not having the horizantal and vertical settings screwed that install  ..
[04:07] <richard> I am new to linux (pretty much) I have only used it for about a year now.
[04:07] <angela_> ill reinstall later ..
[04:07] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: evolution and sylpheed
[04:07] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: although i'm sure there are others
[04:07] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, great thank you
[04:07] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: never a lack of tools here in linuxland
[04:07] <liz4rd> nalioth: thankx it worked :D
[04:07] <nickrud> evolution, with imap and ldap, really rocks (and thunderbird can read it :)
[04:07] <nalioth> liz4rd: how'd it go?
[04:08] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, i dunno something about how thunderbird formats emails i just don't like it.
[04:08] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: you can turn on and off the html formatting
[04:08] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, yes i have done that but the composer, just irritates me for some reason
[04:08] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, i never use html mail
[04:08] <hondje> evo + hula == greatness
[04:08] <nickrud> hula?
[04:08] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: wise
[04:08] <hondje> nickrud: groupwise suite thingie
[04:09] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, text only here
[04:09] <Dvondrake> big question that decides the fate of me getting ubuntu or not
[04:09] <hondje> easy to set up, light, powerful, Libre
[04:09] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: but a gui to put the txt into, eh?
[04:09] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, i used to use pine a long time ago
[04:09] <nickrud> hondje I'll look, but getting my co-workers to simply use email is like pulling teeth
[04:09] <hondje> nickrud: heh :)
[04:09] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: it's still around
[04:09] <Dvondrake> the thing where it gives me 10 seconds to choose an os when i boot me computer, how do i make it boot to windows if i dont select any os within 10 seconds instead of ubuntu?
[04:09] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, yes gui to input my text emails...  indeed.  lol
[04:10] <syntaxerror64> edit grub config i do believe
[04:10] <syntaxerror64> i made it 30 seconds on mine instead of 10
[04:10] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: give sylpheed a look, evolution is kinda overkill
[04:10] <Dvondrake> ehh... how would i do that?
[04:10] <Dvondrake> im kinda a newb to linux and grub and that stuff -.-
[04:10] <syntaxerror64> dvondrake: i am new too, but i scoured forums and found some help on that.
[04:11] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: when you address people, it helps if you append their nick
[04:11] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, yes sorry forgot
[04:11] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: when this channel fills, and the text is scrolling by like running water, it really helps
[04:11] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, yes understandable.
[04:12] <Dvondrake> syntaxerror64: would it be the part where it says something like boot=hda2 to change it, do you think? one of my friends is pretty sure i have to change the 2 to a 1, but im not sure
[04:12] <guntha> Hey guys, ubuntu is great but i cant find anything on recompiling the kernel, any suggestions or links ? (i pretty much have to recompile its ppc on a g3 233 with 64ram!)
[04:12] <Dvondrake> and just in case changing it like that doesnt allow it to boot to anything within 10 seconds, will i still be able to select which to boot from normally? (i just want to make sure before i screw things up :P)
[04:12] <nalioth> guntha: any doc on recompiling any linux kernel will do, as long as you stick with the ubuntu stuff
[04:13] <nalioth> Dvondrake: when u r in your grub conf, you can select which OS and the timeout
[04:13] <guntha> nalioth, how do you mean stick to ubuntu stuff ?
[04:13] <Battlecat> Im running The Ubuntu on a P2 with 194 megs of ram. It seems to run great. I admit that Win XP was signifigantly faster. I am sure its something I am doing wrong.
[04:13] <Dvondrake> nalioth: how would i select the os to boot to within x seconds?
[04:13] <syntaxerror64> Dvondrake, i'm trying to find the info i had earlier again for you.
[04:14] <syntaxerror64> Dvondrake, i'm sure someone here could tell you exactly how to do it much quicker.
[04:14] <Dvondrake> syntaxerror64, lol ok
[04:14] <liz4rd> lol help i have a black screen and all i can see is xchat :P
[04:14] <psychonate> Battlecat, on an older box, I would personally stick with a lightweight WM
[04:14] <liz4rd> i think its metacity
[04:14] <liz4rd> how do i get out?
[04:14] <nalioth> guntha: well, i'd stay to ubuntu guidelines when recompiling (patches, diffs adn such)
[04:14] <nalioth> Dvondrake: when you get the conf open, its pretty simple if you read it
[04:15] <goldfish> liz4rd: restart it?
[04:15] <nalioth> liz4rd: r u in enlightenment?
[04:15] <liz4rd> yeah
[04:15] <liz4rd> but i clicked metacity
[04:15] <liz4rd> :P
[04:15] <Dvondrake> nalioth: im kinda a newb to grud and linux, so can i kinda have a better explaination on how to do it -.- sorry for being a pain
[04:15] <guntha> nalioth, oh ok, im pretty much going to be taking out things, so i probably wouldn't have to worry about those patches right ?
[04:15] <leitao_> no sata (/dev/sda) support in parted?
[04:16] <nalioth> Dvondrake: i believe the file is in /boot, but i'm not the man for this as i run yaboot on a PPC
[04:16] <nalioth> Dvondrake: have you been to the wiki?
[04:16] <syntaxerror64> Dvondrake, please check this site
[04:16] <Dvondrake> nalioth: never knew there was a wiki lol
[04:16] <syntaxerror64> Dvondrake, http://ubuntuguide.org/#changedefaultosgrub
[04:16] <liz4rd> nalioth: ... any ideas :P
[04:16] <Dvondrake> k ty
[04:16] <goldfish> //boot/grub/grub.conf
[04:16] <goldfish> -/
[04:16] <nalioth> guntha: i wouldnt know, but not having drivers and such IN the kernel, doesnt mean the ubuntu flavors should stay out, also
[04:17] <nalioth> Dvondrake: open the file goldfish sent in a text editor
[04:17] <nalioth> Dvondrake: a regular txt editor and have a look
[04:17] <nalioth> Dvondrake: it should be commented (for you to learn)
[04:17] <guntha> nalioth, alright, thanks alot man, you look pretty busy, i think i can take it from here :)
[04:17] <Battlecat> I got 30 Ubuntu CDs from the company and at the LUG I started here they were gone in 5 min.
[04:18] <nalioth> guntha: yes, just use common sense, drivers can be left on the roadside, but there is a reason its called "ubunut"
[04:18] <nalioth> or whatever
[04:18] <nickrud> Battlecat good on yu
[04:18] <guntha> nalioth, hah, ok good deal :)
[04:18] <Battlecat> nickrun thanks! :) I am actully interested in Linux just because of Ubuntu.
[04:19] <syntaxerror64> i wonder if there is a linux user group in my area.
[04:19] <goldfish> syntaxerror64: where u from?
[04:19] <goldfish> im sure there is
[04:19] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: and where is that?
[04:19] <nickrud> Battlecat there are worse reasons, not least of which I'm cheap :)
[04:19] <syntaxerror64> goldfish, Kansas City, MO
[04:19] <Dvondrake> nalioth: ok ty
[04:19] <goldfish> cool
[04:19] <syntaxerror64> goldfish, i will have to check on that.
[04:19] <goldfish> :)
[04:19] <goldfish> they are everywhere
[04:19] <nalioth> Dvondrake: you won't be able to change anything until u open the file as ROOT
[04:20] <Battlecat> Well nickrud, even if your cheap there are so many copies or Windows (whatever flavor) that you can get for nothing or just next to it.
[04:20] <nalioth> Dvondrake: so don't worry about messin anything up at first (as long as ya dont open it as root)
[04:20] <nickrud> ok, I've hung out here by the clock for 3 hours, has no one noticed that sarge is gold?
[04:20] <goldfish> yeah
[04:20] <goldfish> 3.1 is stable
[04:21] <Dvondrake> nalioth: but before i install ubuntu i want to make sure that i can always go back to windows easily without uninstalling ubuntu
[04:21] <nalioth> nickrud: well with the hippos flying around, and the blue whales walking down 52nd street eating hot dog sellers and apple goin to intel, who could notice sarge?
[04:21] <nickrud> Battlecat I'm cheap, but I pay for things that require money
[04:21] <Dvondrake> nalioth: since windows would be my default system
[04:21] <Battlecat> What I did was do the dual boot (which is harder with Ubuntu than Mandrake) for a few months.
[04:21] <syntaxerror64> Dvondrake, that is what i did.
[04:21] <nalioth> Dvondrake: all you have to do if you don't like linux is fdisk your mbr
[04:22] <Dvondrake> nali, in english? lol
[04:22] <Battlecat> nickrud: I know what I mean. :) I did not mean to imply pirating. I have about 3 copies of older windows from prior systems.
[04:22] <syntaxerror64> Dvondrake, this computer has windows xp and ubuntu with dual boot setup.
[04:22] <nalioth> Dvondrake: misunderstood ya, but if you desire to be a win only box, just fdisk your Main Boot Record
[04:22] <Tsingi> bob2: I'm getting moire, but the resolution is up to something I can actually do something with, so I have a good start.  Thanks for your help.
[04:22] <bob2> Tsingi: you'rw welcome, good uck
[04:22] <bob2> er, luck.
[04:22] <Dvondrake> syntax, ok, but are you booting from windows in 10 seconds if you dont select anything? cause thats really what i need to do
[04:23] <blaylock> has anyone had any issues with formatting in openoffice.org 2 between windows and linux?
[04:23] <nickrud> Battlecat right now, I'm nursing an old win98 install for a particular program, cuz I lost the 98 disk, so, wish me luck
[04:23] <syntaxerror64> Dvondrake, no the default is to go into linux but you can change that.
[04:23] <Dvondrake> ok...
[04:23] <syntaxerror64> Dvondrake, i set mine to be 30 seconds though.
[04:23] <cmatheson> hi, i'm running X w/ XDMCP, how can i get sound through the network (doesn't esd do this?)?
[04:23] <nalioth> Dvondrake: just give it a look first, its easy to understand
[04:23] <Battlecat> nickrud: I will say a prayer for you though I have to say it sure beats win95!
[04:23] <Dvondrake> syntax, but there definately is a way to change it, right?
[04:23] <syntaxerror64> Dvondrake, i am completely new to linux but i was able to change that and go in there easily.
[04:24] <nickrud> Battlecat prayers are welcome :)
[04:24] <Dvondrake> nali, ok, i'll try it, downloading so i can install
[04:24] <syntaxerror64> Dvondrake, yes that link i gave you has information.
[04:24] <Dvondrake> syntax, ok, well that's a bit of a releif.
[04:24] <nickrud> 's all that keeps it working
[04:24] <neighborlee> how does one modify the gnome system used for mounting devices to do the same magic when you want to eject media ?
[04:24] <sinope> hi, what software comes with ubuntu for palm pilots?
[04:24] <Dvondrake> syntax, look at the pm im about to send :P
[04:24] <sinope> jpilot is in universe... what is the default?
[04:25] <nalioth> sinope: default what?
[04:25] <j0rd1> hey! i made some digikam packages with all the kipiplugins support
[04:25] <Battlecat> On thing I hope that Ubuntu fixes in the very near future is the ability of Ubuntu upon install to detect Windows XP and partition the HD correctly. Right now the only way I managed to get it  to detect the win XP is to pre-partition the drive.
[04:25] <sinope> nalioth: software for using palm pilots
[04:25] <nalioth> sinope: jpilot interfaces with many PIMs
[04:25] <j0rd1> Battlecat, that is job of the Debian Installer team
[04:25] <nalioth> sinope: evolution, kdepim(or whatever its called)
[04:25] <Battlecat> Oh really j0rd1
[04:25] <Battlecat> I did not know that
[04:25] <sinope> nalioth: thanks
[04:26] <j0rd1> now you know Battlecat :D
[04:26] <sinope> one other thing
[04:27] <sinope> slackware has a package with bash completion
[04:27] <Davey> what is the gnome-vfs-daemon?
[04:27] <sinope> makes it so you can tab complete manpages, automatically open ps with ggv, dvi with xdvi, etc....
[04:27] <nalioth> sinope: bash completion is here too
[04:27] <sinope> nalioth: read above
[04:27] <sinope> nalioth: it's an extension
[04:27] <j0rd1> sinope, source /etc/bash_completion
[04:28] <sinope> j0rd1: :
[04:28] <nickrud> sinope it's there, .bashrc has it comment out
[04:28] <sinope> :) thanks
[04:28] <Battlecat> What I really like is how easy it is to install software with Ubuntu. I did not like the other attempts with Linux because of Dependency Hell.
[04:28] <sinope> i missed out on some of this stuff because i saved my home dir from slack
[04:28] <j0rd1> sinope, uncomment it in /etc/bash.profile
[04:28] <HrdwrBoB> Battlecat: it inherited that from debian :)
[04:28] <sinope> j0rd1: i just put it in my .profile
[04:28] <j0rd1> sure, sinope or just uncomment it from /etc/bash.profile
[04:29] <sinope> i don't like editing systemwide files unless necessary
[04:29] <nickrud> heh, sinope my .bashrc is very old, so listen to someone else :)
[04:29] <sinope> i try to keep a server mentality even on my home box
[04:29] <Battlecat> Its amazing the amount of detail that goes into some Linux progs. Take XSANE for example. Talk about detail there. I didnt get that level of easy managable control in any of the Windows software packages including Adobe and Macromedia.
[04:31] <DAC1138> how do i install a metacity theme in gnome?
[04:32] <DAC1138> i cant for the life of me figure out how
[04:32] <Battlecat> What I would like to know is does anyone know of a good web development IDE for Linux? I know of NVU, Bluefish, Quanta (cant get it to work correctly), and Screem.
[04:32] <psychonate|food> DAC1138, http://art.gnome.org/faq.php
[04:33] <nalioth> DAC1138: there is a theme manager
[04:33] <j0rd1> DAC1138, System -> preferences -> Themes
[04:33] <Dvondrake> partition magic IS the easiest and safest way to partition, right?
[04:33] <j0rd1> sure Dvondrake
[04:33] <^thehatsrule^> theyre all good Dvondrake
[04:33] <Battlecat> I think so Dvondrake.
[04:33] <Dvondrake> ok
[04:34] <goldfish> cfdisk is alright
[04:34] <goldfish> well
[04:34] <Dvondrake> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/, i want to get the first one right? (i have a p4 3ghz HT)
[04:34] <Battlecat> But obey the first comandment of computers BACK-UP! :)
[04:34] <Battlecat> \
[04:34] <Dvondrake> lol ok
[04:34] <Dvondrake> :)
[04:34] <spartas> Battlecat, I've always used eclipse with the PHPeclipse plugin when using IDEs, but now I stick with vi/vim and its syntax highlighting
[04:35] <Battlecat> Ah Spartas I have heard some people say this before. I was so spoiled with Dreamweaver.
[04:35] <psychonate|food> DAC1138, that help?
[04:36] <DAC1138> nalioth, i know, but no matter how i try to install the theme, it sayd its an invalid format
[04:36] <DAC1138> psychonate|food, a little, thanks for the link
[04:36] <nickrud> although I use vim, emacs with some wierd plugin is supposed to work halfway decently
[04:36] <spartas> I've actually considered going back to dreamweaver using wine, but just haven't tried installing it using wine yet
[04:36] <DAC1138> psychonate|food, i already know all that though, it just wasnt working properly
[04:36] <psychonate|food> ahh
[04:36] <psychonate|food> don't know about that
[04:36] <DAC1138> i had to manually move the theme folder over
[04:36] <psychonate|food> I actually use that site to get themes to use in XFCE4 heh
[04:36] <Battlecat> I don't really like WINE. I have gotten Photoshop 7 to work on it fine but well I dont want to use WINE with this slow machine.
[04:37] <psychonate|food> Battlecat, no one LIKES wine
[04:37] <nalioth> DAC1138: yes, check the faq
[04:37] <psychonate|food> Battlecat, it is a necessary evil at best
[04:37] <Guerin> wine is yumma
[04:37] <Guerin> y
[04:37] <Guerin> well
[04:37] <Guerin> GOOD wine is.
[04:37] <psychonate|food> Guerin, we're not quite on the same page ;)
[04:37] <j0rd1> Wine is good, specially if its red
[04:38] <Battlecat> LOL
[04:38] <nickrud> liebfraumilch (sp) is best
[04:38] <nalioth> red like blood
[04:38] <j0rd1> and not canadien :P
[04:38] <Guerin> bah, liebfraumilch
[04:38] <FR500> hello
[04:38] <Battlecat> Well I see it this way. I cannot afford to purchase the new PS so I will keep my 7.0 and use it on my other machine when needed.
[04:38] <nickrud> cheese, wine, women, and bread, and a view (in case the women are not)
[04:38] <magog> how do i change the splash screen?
[04:39] <goldfish> Battlecat: got a fast connection?
[04:39] <spartas> Battlecat, I've got CS but it won't run under wine
[04:40] <FR500> i was following the ndiswrapper howto i found on ubuntu wikim, but when compiling i got this error: Can't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build
[04:40] <FR500> what do i do?
[04:40] <nickrud> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/ magog
[04:40] <magog> k
[04:40] <j0rd1> install kernel headers FR500
[04:40] <Battlecat> Well Spartas I got it to run but well that is all I can say its slow even on a fast machine.
[04:41] <j0rd1> or linux-lheaders
[04:41] <FR500> j0rd1, i did
[04:41] <j0rd1> linux-headers
[04:41] <Battlecat> It also is limited to its ability to work with 48 bit color
[04:41] <goldfish> FR500: did u apt-get it ?
[04:41] <ryan_> anyone have trouble running realplayer?
[04:41] <FR500> goldfish, yes
[04:41] <j0rd1> or linux-lheaders-2.6.10-5-286
[04:41] <goldfish> hmmm
[04:41] <FR500> j0rd1, exactly but with a 3
[04:42] <j0rd1> sure
[04:42] <j0rd1> lol
[04:42] <Battlecat> Ive considered going back to windows just for my Macromedia Suite
[04:42] <nickrud> ryan_ no
[04:42] <j0rd1> what do you need it for FR500 ?
[04:42] <ryan_> it installs, but when i try to open it nothing happens..
[04:42] <spartas> Battlecat, now it will be Adobe for future versions
[04:42] <nickrud> ryan_ how did you install it?
[04:43] <Battlecat> Spartas like so true so true.
[04:43] <FR500> ndiswrapper that comes with hoary doesnt work with my card
[04:43] <FR500> so i was following this
[04:43] <goldfish> FR500: did u install build-essential ?
[04:43] <FR500> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[04:43] <ryan_> sudo apt-get install realplayer
[04:43] <FR500> goldfish, of course
[04:43] <goldfish> heh
[04:43] <goldfish> :)
[04:43] <j0rd1> i got it working ryan_
[04:43] <Battlecat> how do you burn a C with the native install of Ubuntu?
[04:43] <Battlecat> C= Cd
[04:43] <j0rd1> burn a C? what do u mean?
[04:44] <spartas> now they keep the good adobe stuff and throw in dreamweaver and flash and they own the world
[04:44] <nickrud> ryan_ this is one of the few program's I do not let ubuntu install
[04:44] <j0rd1> just insert the cd an drag the files to the new opened window Battlecat
[04:44] <nalioth> Battlecat: there is some hokey built-into-nautilus cd burning thing
[04:44] <ryan_> so should i just build it myself
[04:44] <FR500> goldfish, is there a linux source package or something i'm missing?
[04:44] <j0rd1> you cant build realplayer ryan_
[04:44] <j0rd1> you can install linux-source-2.6
[04:44] <ryan_> run the script rather
[04:44] <Battlecat> Yeah I know Spartas. But you think of it this way they might be dropping the price of a license because Adobe has far better distrobution status
[04:44] <gamemastax`> Hello everyone :)
[04:44] <nickrud> ryan_ I got the rp10 gold(?) from realplayer's site, and put it in /opt
[04:45] <ryan_> yeh i tried that off ubuntus site, still nothing though
[04:45] <FR500> goldfish, should there be something on the dir it mentions? (build) it's empty for me
[04:46] <goldfish> hmm, im not sure
[04:46] <dimeo> I totally need help with this:   when I try to run Firefox or Symantic I get " /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:46] <dimeo> "
[04:46] <nickrud> ryan_ realplayer in ubuntu, is the old realplayer 8 (according to apt-cache show).
[04:46] <dimeo> I think it has something to do with sym-links
[04:46] <gamemastax`> go get firefox again
[04:46] <gamemastax`> install it
[04:46] <gamemastax`> :o
[04:47] <dimeo> apt-get and synaptic both give the same message
[04:47] <gamemastax`> oh
[04:47] <j0rd1> dimeo, you-ll need libstdc++5
[04:47] <spartas> hey, if they had any sense they would release it for linux (GPL'd of course) so we wouln't have to run it on win emulators and still charge the mac and win customers
[04:47] <gamemastax`> ubuntu is damn sexy
[04:47] <HostingGeek> gamemastax`: please
[04:47] <Battlecat> I don't know spartas. I have to admit that "sometimes" you do get what you pay for.
[04:47] <gamemastax`> Please what? o.O
[04:48] <ryan_> i have two sections that say version: one is 8 and one is 10
[04:48] <nbvk> if i wanted to have ubuntu and winxp dual boot but able to read and write documents in both whats the easiest/best way to setup my hard drive partittions?
[04:48] <gamemastax`> I feel all 1337 h4x now that I use linux
[04:48] <nickrud> ryan_ you have marillat, right?
[04:48] <j0rd1> nbvk, partition magic
[04:48] <gamemastax`> nbvk: set up the winxp partition as fat
[04:48] <gamemastax`> or fat32
[04:48] <ryan_> i dont know what that is
[04:48] <gamemastax`> then you should be able to read/write from both
[04:49] <dimeo> # locate libstdc++.so.5 returns me with /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5.0.7
[04:49] <Battlecat> When I wanted to Dual boot I had to reformat my drive and when I did so I created 3 partitions and used the first for Win XP.
[04:49] <nbvk> is there any trouble with other xp machines trying to read the fat32 partition if it was shared with samba?
[04:49] <angela_> they need a plug and play linux ... all this crappy configurations sucks
[04:49] <gamemastax`> I'm installing mine for dual boot right now.
[04:50] <spartas> You may be right about that Battlecat, but they should release a version for us linux addicts (though I don't know how they could charge for it)
[04:50] <gamemastax`> winxp/ubuntu
[04:50] <fishie> what fun would a plug and play linux be?
[04:50] <gdarel> Does anyone know where I can can get stock high rez images of the ubuntu grapgic?
[04:50] <gamemastax`> so i'll tell you if it works, nbvk.  Feel free to /msg me
[04:50] <nbvk> gamemastax`: yea i've got that on this comp too, i just wanted to use linux as main OS instead of the main OS being winxp
[04:50] <nickrud> ryan_ you must have an extra line in your sources.list
[04:50] <nickrud> ryan_ a non ubuntu one
[04:50] <angela_> atleast from install it would work... configur to improve
[04:50] <gamemastax`> nbvk: ntfs cannot be read/written from linux
[04:50] <Xire> Anyone here have experience with 2C-I and possibly a way I can "install" it to my person? I'd aprpeciate a private messege :)
[04:51] <gamemastax`> nbvk: that's the default partition type for winxp
[04:51] <j0rd1> gamemastax`, sure it can be read/write with kernel 2.6
[04:51] <gamemastax`> Heh, I read a tutorial stating that it couldn't.
[04:51] <j0rd1> that was like 2 years ago gamemastax`
[04:51] <dimeo> how can i get this file libstdc++.so.5.0 if apt-get and firefox won't work without it?
[04:51] <HrdwrBoB> j0rd1: no.
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> it can not be written
[04:52] <j0rd1> and nyou could still do that with kernel 2.4 but you had to setup some expereimental stuff
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> unless you are using captive NTFS
[04:52] <ryan_> nerrim
[04:52] <gdarel> Does anyone know where I can can get stock high rez images of the ubuntu graphic?
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> the default ntfs driver, CANNOT write
[04:52] <spartas> does anyone know if breezy has/will have better audio cd support than previous ubuntu releases?
[04:52] <gamemastax`> OH SNAP UBUNTU IS INSTALLED ONE ONE ONE
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> gdarel: they are on the wiki somwhere in xvg installed
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> er svg
[04:52] <j0rd1> i havent tried it with ubuntu HrdwrBoB, but with a vanilla kernel you can
[04:52] <spartas> sorry, meant cd burning support
[04:52] <Battlecat> Well Spartas I think that by charing for it the same way that Windows users pay. I would gladly pay for a nice boxed set for linux of those tools
[04:52] <gamemastax`> DUDE
[04:52] <gamemastax`> OMG
[04:53] <gamemastax`> I CREAM MY PANTS
[04:53] <gamemastax`> hah, sorry
[04:53] <gamemastax`> ubuntu is so damn sexy
[04:53] <nbvk> gamemastax` ?
[04:53] <fishie> sploodge?
[04:53] <HrdwrBoB> j0rd1: unless this has changed very recently
[04:53] <HrdwrBoB> you cannot write to ntfs.
[04:53] <gamemastax`> Err... now i'm logged into ubuntu and my mouse isn't moving o.o
[04:53] <spartas> Battlecat, the problem with that would be they would have to release it in a binary form (no source code available), and that would be sadistic
[04:53] <Battlecat> Well time to get some real work done - all while listening to the great Hitchhikers Guide to the galaxy
[04:53] <HrdwrBoB> unless you are using captive ntfs
[04:53] <HrdwrBoB> in which case, you can use it fine
[04:54] <dimeo> can someone send me the file on x-chat?  libstdc++.so.5
[04:54] <j0rd1> i really don't know HrdwrBoB, but when configuring a new kernel, you can just select read/write support, nothing fancy really, anyways...
[04:54] <gamemastax`> someone help me? I think it's frozen o.o
[04:54] <crimsun> dimeo: look for the package that contains that file using packages.ubuntu.com
[04:54] <HrdwrBoB> j0rd1: yes you can
[04:54] <Battlecat> Spartas I know this goes against the grain of linux users but well the reason it is so damned good is that they have a great team of programmers and a big  budget for real research.
[04:54] <HrdwrBoB> j0rd1: and it's unsupported
[04:54] <j0rd1> crimsun, you can use apt-file also
[04:54] <gamemastax`> The clock is still moving but nothing else will work
[04:54] <dimeo> synaptic and firefox won't run without it =(
[04:54] <crimsun> j0rd1: sure, after updating
[04:54] <HrdwrBoB> j0rd1: strictly you can only write to files of the same size
[04:54] <j0rd1> i did that before with some debian machines HrdwrBoB
[04:54] <fishie> why does the gnome bittorrent program suck so badly?
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> j0rd1: other than that it can kill the filesystem
[04:55] <crimsun> fishie: because you haven't helped fix it
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> you need to do a check after you write to it
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> and it may die
[04:55] <nbvk> fishie: just use azureus
[04:55] <fishie> i do
[04:55] <fishie> :)
[04:55] <j0rd1> ooh, didn't know that.... i really dont have any ntfs partitions anymore... :D
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> for all intents and purposes, you CANNOT usentfs as a refuglar writable filesystem without captive ntfs
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> j0rd1: so please don't tell people they can
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> because they can seriously break things
[04:55] <gamemastax`> nice!
[04:56] <gamemastax`> I got winxp and ubuntu dual boot cross-platform read/write
[04:56] <HrdwrBoB> j0rd1: captive NTFS is essentially a wrapper around the windows NTFS driver, that works
[04:56] <j0rd1> sorry HrdwrBoB, its just i never had any trouble with it...
[04:56] <fazer> Hello, has anyone here tried the reiserf FS?
[04:56] <ablyss> fazer, yep
[04:56] <goldfish> i have
[04:56] <Battlecat> Hey Gamemastax how did you get it so that files can be read and wrote to by both OSes
[04:56] <HrdwrBoB> j0rd1: that's cool, just filesystem corruption is never fun
[04:57] <j0rd1> of course
[04:57] <j0rd1> thanks for the tip
[04:57] <gamemastax`> Err... Battlecat: I just formatted my xp partition as fat32
[04:57] <gamemastax`> and it worked fine
[04:57] <Battlecat> thats it?
[04:57] <HrdwrBoB> yep
[04:57] <HrdwrBoB> fat32 works fine in linux
[04:57] <nickrud> lol, a simple solution to a complex problem
[04:57] <FR500> goldfish, there is this note
[04:57] <FR500> Make sure you have started compiling the kernel sources, so needed header files are present.
[04:57] <Battlecat> Ok is FAT any slower or is it faster than NTFS?
[04:57] <HrdwrBoB> then you can use an ext2 driver for windows
[04:57] <ablyss> depends on how you define "fine" :)
[04:58] <FR500> goldfish, what does it mean=
[04:58] <FR500> ?
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> FR500: you can just get the linux-headers package
[04:58] <FR500> HrdwrBoB, i did
[04:58] <gamemastax`> ntfs is very optimal... but fat or fat32 aren't but worse
[04:58] <j0rd1> he already tried that
[04:58] <spartas> true, Battlecat, but with all the linux distributions, an adobe suite would have to be precompiled for every type of system out there running on every conceived linux distribution (now I realise that it's possible with the many linux users out there, but it would be very difficult when trying to limit who gets access to the source code)
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> FR500: then you are fine
[04:58] <FR500> but make fails
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> FR500: pastebin.com the errro
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> error
[04:58] <FR500> ok
[04:59] <fazer> ablyss: do you get that option when you are installing Ubuntu?
[04:59] <FR500> HrdwrBoB,
[04:59] <FR500> http://pastebin.com/296255
[04:59] <nalioth> gamemastax`: good on ya, fat32 solves lots of problems when coexisting iwth linux
[04:59] <Battlecat> Well Spartas imagine if Adobe said " Today God I mean Adobe said they will will produce a version for Mandrake" Imagine how many mandrake user there would be in 24 hours.
[05:00] <HrdwrBoB> FR500: ndiswrapper is already included
[05:00] <Battlecat> But with FAT32 are there any real stability issues?
[05:00] <Battlecat> I do not want to lose my work.
[05:00] <nalioth> Battlecat: stability in what way?
[05:00] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[05:00] <FR500> HrdwrBoB, that version doesnt work with mine
[05:00] <nickrud> Battlecat and just imagine just how many people would be warping that mandrake install for other distros
[05:00] <HrdwrBoB> ahh
[05:00] <FR500> so i did this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[05:01] <spartas> Battlecat, exactly why if they release it for linux, they should release the source code (GPL'd); it would be cool, but it probably won't ever happen
[05:01] <HrdwrBoB> FR500: ok, run KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) make
[05:01] <nalioth> Battlecat: the linux kernel has to have itw own FS to run in (in most cases), so yer stability is pretty much assured
[05:01] <Battlecat> True True nickrud but the point being is that people will adjust to the situation. Im more interested in the tools I have.
[05:01] <HostingGeek> heh sarge is out
[05:01] <HrdwrBoB> HostingGeek: er wtf
[05:01] <j0rd1> hey, i already switched to ubuntu...
[05:01] <Battlecat> What I mean nalioth is will Windows run worse with FAT32?
[05:01] <nickrud> Battlecat I do agree on tools for the job. I use the ones I need.
[05:01] <FR500> man, thanks
[05:02] <HrdwrBoB> Battlecat: not detectably
[05:02] <DAC1138> alright, got a problem. when i installed ubuntu, i had my wifi card in, and i installed using it as my main net source
[05:02] <nickrud> Battlecat another prayer would be helpful
[05:02] <DAC1138> now ubuntu wont use my builtin ethernet card
[05:02] <Battlecat> Not a problem there nickrud
[05:02] <nalioth> Battlecat: nope, you lose some "security functionality" in winduhs 2k and xp, but when were they secured WITH ntfs?
[05:02] <DAC1138> i eject the wifi card, and it wont revert back to the ethernet card
[05:02] <gamemastax`> so does wireless on linux suck as bad as I hear?
[05:02] <Battlecat> In fact Ill email the pope (bill gates) and have him issue one as well.
[05:02] <DAC1138> gamemastax`, so far, yes
[05:03] <gamemastax`> sigh
[05:03] <DAC1138> gamemastax`, it works, but i cant get ethernet to work now
[05:03] <gamemastax`> that's all i have to work with
[05:03] <FR500> gamemastax`, it's matter of luck, with some cards works out of the box
[05:03] <gamemastax`> i've no other cards
[05:03] <gamemastax`> it's a laptop
[05:03] <gamemastax`> it's built in
[05:03] <FR500> gamemastax`, what card u got?
[05:03] <gamemastax`> it damn well better work
[05:03] <FR500> u on ubuntu now?
[05:03] <gamemastax`> i'm on windows
[05:03] <gamemastax`> installing my drivers
[05:03] <gamemastax`> but i'll tell you the model when it gets to it
[05:04] <j0rd1> gamemastax`, if its a centrino, you wont have any trouble
[05:04] <FR500> ok
[05:04] <FR500> j0rd1, how come?
[05:04] <gamemastax`> it's a presario
[05:04] <FR500> j0rd1, what does processor have to do with it?
[05:04] <Battlecat> Feel the power of Ubuntu. Feel it flow through the walls its does. Know now that George Lucas is planning an all out assult on the planet NA-Ubuntu as we speak he does.
[05:04] <j0rd1> most of the centrino laptops have intel wireless
[05:04] <nickrud> Battlecat I almost missed that, and thanks :)
[05:04] <j0rd1> they work just fine FR500
[05:04] <gamemastax`> Quirky status bars
[05:04] <eddie> Hi guys
[05:05] <FR500> j0rd1, but most have 902.11b wireless included
[05:05] <eddie> Just did something kinda cool
[05:05] <FR500> j0rd1, most people or many ppl will upgrade
[05:05] <j0rd1> i have this one
[05:05] <j0rd1> Network controller: Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04)
[05:05] <j0rd1> and like 10 more laptops with intel wireless
[05:05] <eddie> I cant use the internet on linux at the moment as my desktop has a winmodem
[05:05] <FR500> j0rd1, max 11mbps
[05:05] <j0rd1> and they have worked just out of the box
[05:05] <eddie> then I realised how easy it would be to connect on the laptop on windows and connect through it
[05:05] <gamemastax`> Broadcom 802.11b, 802.11g
[05:05] <gamemastax`> that's my model
[05:05] <eddie> works out windows ICF is just a DHCP server
[05:06] <Battlecat> Well it is time. SEe you in a bit nickrud and friends.
[05:06] <Davey> eddie: haha
[05:06] <FR500> gamemastax`, Broadcom.....same luck as me, gonna have to work for it
[05:06] <eddie> so all I needed to do was disable the one on my router, and ifdown and up
[05:06] <Battlecat> Theme music fades out.
[05:06] <eddie> and got net until the modem arrives in the post
[05:06] <DAC1138> so any idea about reverting to my ethernet card?
[05:06] <j0rd1> havent tried broadcom wireless... :(
[05:06] <FR500> j0rd1, many many cards use broadcom chipsets
[05:06] <eddie> Davey: its messy but it was very impressive how easy it was in ubuntu
[05:06] <j0rd1> havent seen those FR500
[05:07] <FR500> linksys?
[05:07] <blackgibson> I have a broadcom wifi card running on linux via ndiswrapper
[05:07] <FR500> blackgibson, ubuntu hoary?
[05:07] <eddie> anyways does anyone here use xshupwars?
[05:07] <gamemastax`> FR500, how did you fix it
[05:07] <Davey> eddie: yeah, Ubuntu rocks :D
[05:07] <nemik> i love ubuntu too!
[05:07] <FR500> gamemastax`, i'm doing it now
[05:07] <nemik> but have a question.
[05:07] <FR500> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[05:07] <blackgibson> yup
[05:07] <FR500> IT WORKED!!!!!!
[05:07] <FR500> at last
[05:08] <j0rd1> nice FR500 !!
[05:08] <FR500> no monitor mode though
[05:08] <eddie> Davey: I had to quit using linux about 2 years ago, until now, as it really didnt get along with my lcd monitor
[05:08] <Davey> really? wow
[05:08] <eddie> Davey: it still doesnt, except now I just use it anyway....
[05:08] <Davey> heh
[05:08] <Davey> I'd wager it was your gfx card ;)
[05:08] <Davey> drivers at least :)
[05:08] <FR500> eddie, what is wrong with the monitor?
[05:08] <nemik> i'm having a performance issue with i guess permissions being lost or something. i run a command line app from root terminal and after a few days it won't write to a certain folder anymore. i'm hoping booting into just root console sans GNOME will be better. how can i do this?
[05:09] <eddie> FR500: general blurryness, its an old TFT, 2 years old ish now
[05:09] <IIIEars> Are there any PhotoShop/G.I.M.P. Gurus that can point me to the best photo editing tutorial?
[05:09] <nalioth> nemik: <ctrl><alt><f3>
[05:09] <Davey> IIIEars: my wife found the GIMP Book for me the other day
[05:09] <eddie> FR500: if I connected a CRT right now chances are all would be merry
[05:09] <edwin> hi
[05:09] <Davey> IIIEars:  http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/index.html
[05:09] <Guerin> IIIEars: there's not really a 'photo editing tutorial' - it's all about wht you want to do
[05:09] <IIIEars> Sounds good maybe i can find a copy on amazon
[05:09] <eddie> FR500: or had an accident with this thing and called the insurance company.....
[05:09] <nemik> nalioth, how about having it boot each time into just root withouteven loading GNOME?
[05:09] <Guerin> grokking the gimp is p[retty good
[05:09] <Davey> IIIEars: its freely available online :)
[05:10] <nalioth> nemik: that is a question for some1 else
[05:10] <Davey> Grokking the GIMP, that is
[05:10] <blackgibson> IIIEars: The GIMP Bible is good, if outdated
[05:10] <nemik> nalioth, np, thanks for the first one though
[05:10] <FR500> eddie, lol, i didnt understand anything
[05:10] <nalioth> nemik: i don't think X is your problem
[05:10] <FR500> gamemastax`, if you need help to get it to work let me know
[05:11] <nemik> nalioth: what do you think it would be?
[05:11] <Guerin> IIIEars: please don't message me.
[05:11] <nemik> i run the app from root terminal
[05:11] <IIIEars> okay - excuse me.
[05:11] <edwin> hello has anyone gotten their ipod to work with ubuntu
[05:11] <eddie> Its just amazing how ubuntu handles hardware
[05:11] <eddie> although this computer is 2 years old
[05:11] <eddie> id consider it decent hardware
[05:11] <nemik> and after a few days none of the programs (file explorer, etc) will even load so i have to reboot
[05:11] <nalioth> nemik: user permissions and X usually don't have anything to do with the other
[05:11] <eddie> I keep an applet running at the top monitoring a few things
[05:12] <nemik> read above your response, it seems to degrade somehow
[05:12] <eddie> and I havent once seen it resort to using swap
[05:12] <Guerin> IIIEars: you just need to narrow down what you want to do to something a bit more specific than photo editing, then research that topic
[05:12] <IIIEars> I appreciate the link. :) - Ubuntu is terrific!
[05:12] <j0rd1> eddie, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IPodHowto
[05:12] <nalioth> edwin: do you use gtkpod?
[05:12] <Guerin> IIIEars: start with some basic principles and go from there
[05:12] <eddie> j0rd1: is that the installing on an Ipod one? lol
[05:12] <j0rd1> eddie, when you plugin your ipod you can copy your music to your HD with rhythmbox
[05:12] <edwin> no... don't even know what that is, to be honest
[05:12] <j0rd1> nope eddie
[05:12] <gamemastax`> Alright guys... at the very least i can get wireless working on my laptop
[05:12] <gamemastax`> so we'll see how things work
[05:12] <nickrud> nemik if you remove /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm, ubuntu will boot into a login, you can login as root there. (assuming I haven't totally mised your point)
[05:12] <gamemastax`> thanks for your help
[05:12] <gamemastax`> bye
[05:12] <edwin> i will look into it though. thank you nalioth.
[05:12] <nalioth> edwin: ya got two places to start lookin
[05:13] <IIIEars> Thanks again :)
[05:13] <j0rd1> eddie, thats the one that teaches you how to setupyou ubuntu to use your ipod with gtkpod
[05:13] <edwin> i see
[05:13] <nemik> nickrud: thanks, may have to do that. i still want the option to boot into the GUI sometimes, but would for now like to test more in just terminal with root access
[05:14] <edwin> does anyone still use galeon?
[05:14] <eddie> galeon?
[05:14] <FR500> now i'm on wifi with my WPC54gs, it rocks
[05:14] <eddie> that a browser?
[05:14] <eddie> I used to use it years ago
[05:14] <edwin> yes
[05:14] <j0rd1> no eddie, galeon is so outdated
[05:14] <j0rd1> i wasnt even included in woody
[05:14] <nickrud> nemik if you remove the link I mentioned, then, as yourself, echo "gnome-session" > .xsession, you can startx as yourself and get the gui
[05:14] <spartas> how 'bout lynx?
[05:14] <eddie> I remember using it and konqueror
[05:14] <edwin> what are some of the good gnome apps being developed today?
[05:14] <edwin> sorry but i am a linux/ubuntu newb
[05:15] <eddie> lol my last distro before this one was slink
[05:15] <edwin> trying to make the switch
[05:15] <eddie> a really broken install aswell
[05:15] <j0rd1> eddie, use firefox
[05:15] <eddie> was a CD posted out by a guy called philip hands
[05:15] <nemik> nickrud, thank you very much!
[05:15] <eddie> j0rd1: yeah its fast as hell on ubuntu
[05:15] <HostingGeek> j0rd1: changed your nick here?
[05:15] <HostingGeek> j0rd1: changed your nick heh?
[05:15] <j0rd1> what do you mean HostingGeek ?
[05:16] <nickrud> nemik as I reread that, it's pretty obscure, so, if you need expansion ....
[05:16] <HostingGeek> j0rd1: are you not jordi or jordim?
[05:16] <j0rd1> nope HostingGeek.... there are many jordis out there... :)
[05:16] <j0rd1> i think jordim would be jordi mas, im jordi adame
[05:16] <nalioth> paroxetine: i use it
[05:16] <eddie> there are many Eddies out there too
[05:17] <eddie> I regularly have to ghost people to get using my own nick
[05:17] <paroxetine> nalioth, are you referring to galeon?
[05:17] <nalioth> paroxetine: yes i use galeon
[05:17] <nalioth> paroxetine: i find ff bloated and almost useless
[05:17] <paroxetine> nalioth, how did you get it installed? apt didn't seem to have it.
[05:17] <josue> hey, can someone help me reinstall grub?
[05:17] <nalioth> paroxetine: reallY? its in main
[05:18] <paroxetine> nalioth, yes, so do it but i just want to install it for sentimentel reasons
[05:18] <josue> im getting a error 15 when i boot
[05:18] <paroxetine> :P
[05:18] <paroxetine> nalioth, i tried apt-get install galeon
[05:18] <nickrud> the only thing missing from epiphany
[05:18] <nalioth> paroxetine: try apt-cache search galeon
[05:18] <paroxetine> nalioth, ok will do right now
[05:18] <nalioth> nickrud: is a browser?
[05:18] <nalioth> couldnt resist
[05:19] <nickrud> nalioth yeah, you jerk ;P
[05:19] <crimsun> evening, mike
[05:19] <nalioth> nickrud: here's the juxtapostion that my brain showed me
[05:19] <tritium> hi daniel
[05:19] <nalioth> < nickrud> the only thing missing from epiphany
[05:19] <nalioth> 22:17 < nalioth> nickrud: is a browser?
[05:19] <paroxetine> nalioth, apt-cache finds it
[05:19] <paroxetine> but i can't install
[05:19] <nalioth> tritium: evenin
[05:20] <paroxetine> says coldn't find package galeon
[05:20] <tritium> hey nalioth
[05:20] <nalioth> paroxetine: is it giving you errors? have you tried using synaptic?
[05:20] <nickrud> nalioth hah,
[05:20] <j0rd1> well
[05:21] <j0rd1> gotta go
[05:21] <j0rd1> c ya'll later
[05:21] <kalias> Hi!  I was wondering if anyone has had problems installing limewire?
[05:21] <paroxetine> no error
[05:21] <paroxetine> but is telling me packge couldn't be found
[05:21] <nickrud> nalioth you missed 'save this excruciatingly searched tabs into a folder so I never have to do this again'
[05:21] <nalioth> paroxetine: try using synaptic
[05:21] <nickrud> s/this/these/
[05:22] <nalioth> nickrud: yes, i've been in and out of the chair here
[05:23] <kalias> nickrud: Hi!  You seem to be a regular here.
[05:23] <FR500> what does the network monitor applet use to read intensity?
[05:23] <FR500> with this card its always at 100
[05:23] <nickrud> kalias I keep this open, but in actuality drop in and out
[05:24] <kalias> Do you know of any limewire install experts I can chat at?
[05:24] <nickrud> I still haven't really figured out the etiquette
[05:24] <blackgibson> kalias: its much easier just to apt-get install gtk-gnutella
[05:25] <nickrud> kalias yeah, I'm a limewire expert. Don't use it
[05:25] <kalias> oh, okay.  I just installed it as per the handbook and the install did not work.
[05:25] <kalias> what is better than limewire?  I have not used it before so I was going to give it a try.
[05:25] <nickrud> kalias blackgibson has the easy way to use that p2p network
[05:26] <kalias> blackgibson: are you the local p2p guru?
[05:27] <_kevin> i downloaded the set up win32codec as instructed on ubuntuguide but I'm still unable to play a video file in .mpg format
[05:27] <_kevin> wmv work fine
[05:27] <_kevin> and avi also work good
[05:27] <kalias> crumbs...gotta run. Will be back later.
[05:27] <blackgibson> kalias: no, but i know limewire is a clunky pain in the ass and gtk-guntella, which will get you all the same files, is not
[05:28] <kalias> okay, I do I remove the limewire install?
[05:28] <nalioth> _kevin: you shouldnt need codecs for mpg
[05:28] <_kevin> then why is it when i play a mpg file, totem freezes
[05:28] <blackgibson> kalias: i have never installed it so i havent the foggiest.. same way you would any other deb if it came in a .deb package
[05:28] <nalioth> _kevin: i don't know
[05:28] <Scorp> I have a question, did anyone here have any difficulty in configuring WPA to work with their wifi?
[05:29] <Robby> hey
[05:29] <jind> Because totem sucks
[05:29] <nalioth> _kevin: could be a malformed mpg file, or otw damaged
[05:29] <_kevin> *otw* ?
[05:29] <dimeo> libstdc++.so.5 is a link to libstdc++.so.5.0.7      anyone know the command to make it?
[05:29] <kalias> hmm..okay.  I will be back in a bit and try to sort it out then.  Thanks for your help. :)
[05:29] <nalioth> _kevin: otherwise
[05:29] <FR500> Scorp, not many linux drivers are supported by wpa-supplicant
[05:29] <_kevin> ohh.. I got it froma  torrent it's a preview for a game
[05:29] <Scorp> FR500 this one should be, I'm just wondering how easy is the download
[05:29] <Scorp> and installation
[05:29] <_kevin> on the website it say 47 mb and when i downloaded its 47 mb
[05:30] <Scorp> is it automated or do I have to do it all by hand
[05:30] <eddie> I only have one problem with ubuntu
[05:30] <eddie> and thats that playing AVIs in it sucks badly
[05:30] <nalioth> _kevin: there is no telling
[05:30] <FR500> Scorp, if you got wireless to work, and it's supported should not be that complex
[05:30] <eddie> sound and video are never synched and playback is jerky
[05:30] <jind> dimeo, man ln (Check out the -s switch)
[05:30] <Scorp> FR500 cool
[05:30] <Scorp> when I install ubuntu I'll try
[05:30] <nalioth> eddie: thats not all on linux, avi being a "format wrapper"
[05:31] <Scorp> apt-get is what ubuntu uses to get packages right?
[05:31] <eddie> nalioth: when I play the same file on windows, its flawless
[05:31] <nalioth> eddie: winduhs has more access to codecs
[05:31] <tyler_> how can i get programs to run that u download?
[05:31] <_kevin> scorp: yes
[05:31] <Tommy> hey, I have a quick question about ubuntu and networking: I'm currently running a two computer network at my house and the host pc is running windows, is it possible for me to continue my wireless network when I switch to ubuntu, even though the host computer is running windows? any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks.
[05:31] <FR500> tyler_, what?
[05:32] <_kevin> tyler_: depends wether it's source or a package
[05:32] <Scorp> ok anyone get the ipw2200 driver to work with WPA_Supplicant on ubuntu?
[05:32] <nalioth> Tommy: your host computer is providing the wireless gateway?
[05:32] <bignose_> .. i forgot how great it was to have a *nix desktop.
[05:32] <tyler_> ..i downloaded msn messenger and it says it cant find it =/
[05:32] <_kevin> tyler_: sources you can compile and they should work, some packages you have to convert to .deb and install
[05:32] <_kevin> ohh msn is .exe
[05:32] <Tommy> yes, the host (windows) computer has the main modem with the router hooked up
[05:32] <Tommy> this pc is on the wireless adaptor
[05:32] <bignose_> cept not playing mp3 by default is bull**** :)
[05:33] <tyler_> how do i convert the files?
[05:33] <_kevin> you can only install .tar.gz or .deb or linux program
[05:33] <Sero> Can anyone in here please help me?
[05:33] <Scorp> Tommy there is a wireless router? is it independed of the windows computer?
[05:33] <_kevin> tyler_: to run msn you need Wine
[05:33] <nalioth> Tommy: you can set up ubuntu to share wirelessly
[05:33] <tyler_> right, but how do i convert.
[05:33] <FR500> Tommy, if your card is supported you can have your network just as it was with windows
[05:33] <tyler_> Wine...and were do i get that?
[05:33] <Scorp> Tommy what model router do you have?
[05:33] <FR500> tyler_, use gaim
[05:33] <nalioth> tyler_: gaim does msn messenger
[05:33] <_kevin> tyler_: yes
[05:33] <Tommy> its a netgear router, let me check the model one sec
[05:34] <FR500> tyler_, you dont convert
[05:34] <Scorp> (What FR500 saying is correct, Tommy, the OS shouldn't matter but you may be confused about what's actually providing the wireless)
[05:34] <eddie> if he needs to use Internet Connection Sharing at least he'll know that part of the bargain is dead simple
[05:34] <blackgibson> tyler_: JUst dont expect voice or video
[05:34] <eddie> I spent ages trying to do it using a more complicated method
[05:34] <tyler_> a freind of mine told me to get lunix....and i windows is getting to old..
[05:34] <Scorp> Tommy so the OS on the Windows computer doesn't matter, they are both "clients" to the router
[05:34] <richard> Where in Kubuntu does one change the 'root password'? I installed mc 'Midnight Commander' and I can't get it to respond in the root mode. . . says in need to be in 'root'.
[05:34] <Jormundgand> richard, sudo.
[05:34] <_kevin> tyler_: www.ubuntufourms.org for a guide on how to install Wine and Wine Tools, you
[05:34] <locomorto> richard: sudo mc
[05:34] <FR500> tyler_, use linux if you don't mind lurking here for endless hours
[05:34] <Scorp> Just because the Windows computer connects with a wire doesn't make it special
[05:34] <FR500> or reading a lot
[05:34] <locomorto> richard: its the same as your user password
[05:34] <tyler_> lol
[05:35] <Scorp> Linux is a strategy game
[05:35] <richard> Thanks guys!
[05:35] <locomorto> richard: for the first account you set up only though, others have to become sudoers throuhg a special list of some such
[05:35] <benplaut> Scorp: i think it's impossible to win...
[05:35] <Jormundgand> Scorp: Which makes Windows...what?
[05:35] <eddie> I hate dialup
[05:35] <eddie> I feel like im the only one using it sometimes
[05:35] <Methynutnut> Jormundgand: a FPS. Shoot the paperclip!
[05:35] <Scorp> Windows? A lonely card game, I believe they call it "Solitaire"
[05:35] <eddie> Jormundgand: An annoying reality tv show
[05:35] <Jormundgand> Hah.
[05:36] <FR500> how long does it take to pass a 200mb file thru fastethernet?
[05:36] <FR500> i'm testing my wifi
[05:36] <_kevin> i think totem is not working properly since i followed the guide to get alsa to work with gnome
[05:36] <tchmnky> Any idea what I'd enter into grep to retrieve a list of http:// links in an HTML src doc?
[05:36] <Guerin> FR500: 100 mbit eth does about 8mbytes per sec, under optimal conditions
[05:36] <Tommy> ok sorry about that, my router is a netgear Model WGB111 and the router is hooked up to the cable modem which is hooked up to the windows pc (am i making any sense at all? lol sorry)
[05:37] <Guerin> realistically more like 7
[05:37] <eddie> tchmnky: grep for <a href="http
[05:37] <Jormundgand> Why do I always typo "forums" as "foruns"?
[05:37] <richard> Which IRC package is better? Konversation or X-chat?
[05:37] <FR500> Guerin, so u say 25 secs?
[05:37] <Scorp> the cable modem is hooked up to the windows pc too? or is it like this WINPC----ROUTER----CABLE MODEM----INTERNET ?
[05:37] <FR500> i dont think so
[05:37] <eddie> Isnt there a gnome irc client?
[05:38] <eddie> I use IRSSI, I find it very "clean"
[05:38] <tchmnky> eddie, yeah. Tried that. No good. It gives the rest of the <A> tag too. I need a regexp, I think
[05:38] <blackgibson> richard: both are fine, X-Chat will integrate better into Gnome however
[05:38] <Guerin> FR500: give or take.
[05:38] <FR500> Tommy, can u use ur internet with the windows pc off?
[05:38] <FR500> Guerin, take for now
[05:38] <Tommy>  yeah i can fr
[05:38] <nalioth> richard: irssi is the best :P
[05:38] <richard> Thankyou, I'm using KDE. . . .I like the graphics better!
[05:38] <FR500> Tommy, wirelessly?
[05:38] <Tommy> yes wirelessly
[05:38] <Scorp> Tommy then the windows PC is not a "host" or anything like that it's just another computer connected to a router
[05:39] <FR500> so the windows pc doesnt matter
[05:39] <eddie> I love gnome
[05:39] <eddie> although I was once a KDE man
[05:39] <Scorp> Tommy it should work
[05:39] <eddie> gnome has improved alot since then
[05:39] <Tommy> oh lol sorry for misswording it then ><
[05:39] <nalioth> eddie: i'm still a leg man
[05:39] <Tommy> ok thank you very much for the help
[05:39] <Tommy> im sure ill be back once i install =p
[05:39] <Scorp> lol don't worry you'll still be back
[05:39] <eddie> nalioth: personally im an ass man
[05:39] <Scorp> Tommy what kind of wifi card do you have?
[05:40] <Scorp> (in the computer that's getting linuxified)
[05:40] <richard> Whats the general feeling about Kubuntu and Ubuntu? I've got Suse, Mepis and now Kubuntu.
[05:40] <nalioth> eddie: ass-what?
[05:40] <nalioth> lol
[05:40] <Guerin> FR500: there are a bunch of things which can slow it down - encryption, disk access speed, bad connection, busy lan, poor network card...
[05:40] <eddie> nalioth: lol touche
[05:40] <nalioth> richard: feelin bout waht? kde gnome enlightenment, xfce4, its whatever you want
[05:40] <Tommy> i use a netgear usb adaptor scorp (sorr if i sound like a noob, networking isnt really my thing =/
[05:41] <Scorp> it's ok we're all noobs, make sure that it's supported by Linux
[05:41] <syntaxerror64> richard, i just installed ubuntu and like it quite well so far.
[05:41] <nickrud> richard the gut feeling I have is debian
[05:41] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: have ya got kubuntu yet?
[05:41] <eddie> Tommy: networking is a pain in the ass, everyone hates it
[05:41] <Scorp> eddie not true
[05:41] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, no, i don't like kde
[05:41] <Scorp> I'm a masachist :)
[05:41] <Scorp> ;)
[05:41] <nemik> me neither. i like gnome more
[05:41] <richard> I couldn't get Debian ever to work have have tried Gentoo and FreeBSD. . . a bit difficult for me.
[05:41] <Tommy> scorp maybe you can come over and set mine up then =p
[05:42] <FR500> Tommy, pm me
[05:42] <hondje> I love debian
[05:42] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: just wonderin, cuz theres a few tools that are better than whats available for gnome
[05:42] <FR500> eddie, i live it
[05:42] <FR500> *love
[05:42] <hondje> But it's not as nice as ubuntu on the desktop by a longshot
[05:42] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, like?
[05:42] <FR500> networking rocks
[05:42] <Scorp> Tommy lol that's ok, I'd rather not hurt myself
[05:42] <neighborlee> how do I modify the  system gnome uses for mounting devices to do the same magic when you want to eject say a cdrom by using eject button on the drive ?
[05:42] <nemik> richard, i still have nightmares from my gentoo installation attempt
[05:42] <Scorp> gentoo is cool
[05:42] <Kezman1974> I did an update and now when I try and start a program that needs root privs, it comes up with the password screen then once entered I get this error: nable to copy the user's Xauthorization file.
[05:42] <FR500> nemik, building the directory tree is big fun :p
[05:42] <Scorp> if you have the time
[05:42] <Scorp> I odn't have the time
[05:42] <Scorp> here I am
[05:42] <Kezman1974> Anyone know what I can do to fix it?
[05:43] <hondje> gentoo-hardened is so nice
[05:43] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: k3b for cd/dvd authoring
[05:43] <neighborlee> hondje,wth is gentoo-hardened ?
[05:43] <nemik> FR500, don't even remind me. i just recently built up the courage to give linux another try after gentoo raped me. ubuntu was MUCH gentler
[05:43] <hondje> neighborlee: secure distro, amazing stuff
[05:43] <neighborlee> Kezman1974, what kind of update did you do btw
[05:43] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, i use my big windows machine for that...  :p
[05:43] <FR500> yes i know what you mean
[05:43] <neighborlee> hondje, ah ok
[05:44] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: and i personally prefer konqueror for working with files (perhaps i don't know how to mangle nautilus to my wishes)
[05:44] <hondje> neighborlee: can't use it for desktop, really, too much work, but awesome for other stuff
[05:44] <neighborlee> hondje, if gentoo had gui installer I'd prob. be there long ago , but I hear one is coming
[05:44] <FR500> nemik, but it was hilarius, i couldnt believe you had to do even that
[05:44] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: i have 0 winduhs doorstops here
[05:44] <neighborlee> hondje, yeah
[05:44] <Kezman1974> neighborlee: just an apt-get upgrade
[05:44] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, so far i installed ubuntu to move my browsing and email to as i learn it more i may start moving more over.
[05:44] <neighborlee> Kezman1974, ah ok
[05:44] <_kevin> i remember the nick hondje in alot of irc channels
[05:44] <_kevin> leeching
[05:45] <nemik> FR500, i know. i felt like i was linus torvalds or something LD
[05:45] <nemik> :D
[05:45] <disasm> nalioth: konqueror over mc???
[05:45] <hondje> leeching?
[05:45] <nalioth> yup, ya come in the front door, and the back door is just slammin shut -- -- -- that's hondje
[05:45] <FR500> lol
[05:45] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, i tried suse linux before ubuntu and i didn't care much for kde, i dunno what it was just too much overhead or something.
[05:45] <nayif> hi
[05:45] <nalioth> disasm: do you knwo how to make nautilus double-paned?
[05:45] <neighborlee> Kezman1974, permissions must  have changed on /root/.Xauthority < check that  ( i'm guessing since i've never had that issue )
[05:45] <hondje> I have my own chan, that makes me hip :)
[05:45] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: yes kde does suck the life out of older systems
[05:45] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, not to mention on this computer i think it might be too much for the hardware.
[05:45] <disasm> nalioth: lemme boot out of flux, and check
[05:45] <Xenguy> retch
[05:46] <nemik> i tried knoppix live CDs and then put ubuntu permanently one on of my boxes. LOVE it
[05:46] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: but running one program (and not the whole thing) is ok
[05:46] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, isn't it possible to run multiple desktop enviornments in linux?
[05:46] <Kezman1974> neighborlee: Thank you I will give that a try
[05:46] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: hardly
[05:46] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: 800mhz 384? it'd work ok
[05:46] <Jormundgand> How does one pronounce "Ubuntu"? I feel like a prat saying that I use "Uh-bun-too" Linux, and "oo-bun-too" feels wrong.
[05:46] <neighborlee> nemik, kde or gnome..I had trouible when I went from warty to hoary..random gnome crashes that I never have ironed out
[05:46] <Sero> What Kernel does Ubuntu automatically use?
[05:46] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, yes that's what i have...
[05:46] <neighborlee> Jormundgand, OO-buntoo
[05:46] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: not usually at the same time
[05:46] <hondje> oo-boon-too I thought
[05:46] <neighborlee> Jormundgand, at least that is how I pronounce it <G>
[05:47] <_kevin> whats better about ubuntu then debian, i never used debian, ubuntu is like the only linux distor i relaly used
[05:47] <neighborlee> hondje, i'm  halfway kidding but thats essentially it ;-0heh
[05:47] <nemik> neighborless, i like ubuntu GNOMRE more. but yea i'm having some stability trouble
[05:47] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: i have several desktops to chooose from
[05:47] <_kevin> i read ubuntu is based on debian
[05:47] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, eventually once i learn linux well enough and am comfortable with it i might move it over to my big machine that windows xp currently calls home.
[05:47] <hondje> _kevin: basically it's debian with newer desktop pkgs
[05:47] <disasm> _kevin: mainly xorg ;-)
[05:47] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, i don't mean at the same time, but like choose which one you want to use at start.
[05:47] <_kevin> ohh ic
[05:47] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: you can safely dual boot any time you like
[05:47] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, that's why i setup this machine so i can have a dedicated linux pc.
[05:48] <nayif> i'm plane to delete all partition on my harddisk than use the instrcation as on "Howto: Backup and restore your system!" what i need after i create partition for "xp" than the reset for ubuntu ,to restore the xp  and ubuntu backup in removable-drive when i'm work on live cd ? the guide says do this  #tar xvpfz backup.tgz -C /
[05:48] <_kevin> is the next version goign to be more user friendly and may me auto install tar.gz without going throught the command line
[05:48] <eyequeue> _kevin:  and a definite (short) release cycle
[05:48] <bignose_> so i'm getting error 'cannot open resource for writing" with media player, i'm trying the different suggestions etc, but nothing seems to be helping.
[05:48] <nalioth> _kevin: woohoo! that'd be real nice
[05:48] <bignose_> ie: i've installed gstreamer, tried both oss and alsa in control center. XMMS works but not media player or totem.
[05:48] <Xenguy> _kevin: fear the command-line =)
[05:48] <hondje> I like the release cycle paired with gnome, that's hot
[05:49] <Sero> Can anyone tell me how to configure alsa for Ubuntu or direct to somewhere that can?
[05:49] <_kevin> i don't dislike the commandline... it just takes longer then click and install
[05:49] <eyequeue> _kevin:  .tar.gz just means a gzipped tarball, not anything specific
[05:49] <Xenguy> _kevin: sure it does - always
[05:49] <nalioth> sero have you been to ubuntulinux.org/wiki?
[05:49] <nasde> hello how do make sreensaver in ubuntu w/ gnome not start every 3 seconds
[05:49] <FR500> _kevin, actually i think it's kinda faster
[05:49] <crimsun> Sero: what sound card?
[05:49] <_kevin> i guess
[05:49] <hondje> FR500: I'd say it depends on what you're doing :)
[05:50] <FR500> hondje, yes i know
[05:50] <Sero> crimsun, SB Live
[05:50] <nalioth> _kevin: the command line will be there after your X goes home
[05:50] <syntaxerror64> nasde...  go to system/preferences/screensaver
[05:50] <nasde> or rather how do i make xscreensaver startup time diff
[05:50] <crimsun> Sero: what model?
[05:50] <eyequeue> nasde:  system > preferences > screensaver
[05:50] <_kevin> ye
[05:50] <Sero> nalioth, no I'm not an Ubuntu guy
[05:50] <nasde> i did
[05:50] <nasde> but there it doest say "how long till screensaver start"
[05:50] <nalioth> Sero: i'd check there and also ubuntuguide.org
[05:50] <Sero> crimsun, SB Live 7.1 is all the computer maker said.
[05:50] <_kevin> command line can do most things... but can it let you play video games
[05:50] <_kevin> ?
[05:51] <syntaxerror64> nasde, where it says "blank after" set that to 10 or 15 mins
[05:51] <nasde> it only says blank after, cycle after, lock screen after
[05:51] <hondje> _kevin: nethack
[05:51] <nalioth> _kevin: sure it can
[05:51] <hondje> atc is fun in console, too, when you're bored
[05:51] <crimsun> Sero: you need the snd_ca0106 driver
[05:51] <nalioth> hondje: atc?
[05:51] <_kevin> i need some fun games for linux, the ones that came with ubuntu are eaither too hard or nerdy
[05:51] <FR500> hondje, and i start counter-strike from command line
[05:52] <disasm> i'm in gnome now, looking for settings...
[05:52] <hondje> nalioth: text air traffic control game...in debian it's in the bsdgames pkg
[05:52] <crimsun> Sero: search the ubuntu forums for instructions from me on compiling alsa-source from universe to enable your sblive 7.1
[05:52] <FR500> _kevin, get cedega, you can play windows games there
[05:52] <hondje> Some of them
[05:52] <_kevin> but you have to pay for cedega
[05:52] <syntaxerror64> kevin...   maybe this thread has something you'd like?  http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=238434
[05:53] <_kevin> only reason I'm on ubuntu and linux is because it's free and legal
[05:53] <eyequeue> nasde:  gedit ~/.xscreensaver
[05:53] <_kevin> i've been doing illegal stuff with windows for the past 4 years
[05:53] <FR500> _kevin, not really, you can get it from cvs and compile
[05:53] <syntaxerror64> free is always good.
[05:54] <_kevin> ohh ye
[05:54] <eyequeue> nasde:  change timeout: to how ever many minutes you prefer
[05:54] <hondje> Free is better than free
[05:54] <_kevin> can cedega run other windows programs?
[05:54] <hondje> _kevin: for non-games, you'd probably be better off using wine
[05:54] <_kevin> ahh
[05:54] <nalioth> hondje: yer shittin me
[05:54] <nalioth> hondje: air traffic control, eh
[05:54] <hondje> nalioth: That game is addictive
[05:55] <FR500> _kevin, some, for office software cxofice is better
[05:55] <eyequeue> atc (6)              - air traffic controller game
[05:55] <atool> \quit
[05:55] <hondje> Great when you're at a box without X and need to waste an hour
[05:55] <disasm> nalioth: doesn't look like dual column exists
[05:56] <nemik> any of you tried to get something like this going: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3666&item=5204917093&rd=1 did it just add new ttys1, ttys2, etc?
[05:57] <nalioth> disasm: so i use konqueror
[05:57] <eyequeue> nemik:  i didn't go to that url, but you probably mean ttyS1 ttyS2
[05:57] <nemik> yea sorry. serial ports
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> nemik: not for years
[05:57] <nalioth> disasm: havta have my hover mini preview (love watchin my cpu meter not even move)
[05:57] <kdawg> When I browse smb shares on the network I can't double click on an .xls and have it open up. Is that because OO won't open up a file from that kind of path? Or do I have something misconfigured?
[05:57] <Xyc0> What is the IRC server for CAL?
[05:57] <disasm> nalioth: i didn't say use nautilus, i said use mc (or xffm, it's pretty slick)
[05:57] <nemik> hrdwrbob: really??! no luck?
[05:58] <Xyc0> Anyone know off hand?
[05:58] <Amaranth> OO doesn't have gnome-vfs support, does it?
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> nemik: no *I* havene't done it for years :)
[05:58] <nemik> ohhh ok
[05:58] <disasm> i came into gnome for nothin'... maybe I'll use windowmaker, haven't used that in a bit...
[05:58] <nalioth> disasm: at the risk of askin a n00b question, how do you start xffm?
[05:58] <nemik> i hope it will work...
[05:58] <_kevin> there is a cool game Racer... ANyone play it, can tell me if it looks as good as int eh screenshots?
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> nemik: what do you want to do
[05:58] <hondje> nalioth: It's xfce's old file manager
[05:59] <nemik> hrdwrbob: hook up a bunch of GSM phones to use as GSM modems via serial and smstools
[05:59] <nalioth> hondje: yes i know, but i use "xffm" and nothing happens
[05:59] <hondje> nalioth: oh...that works fine here :-/
[05:59] <HrdwrBoB> nemik: hm ok
[05:59] <kdawg> Amaranth, openoffice.org-gnomevfs.....maybe that answers my question :-)
[05:59] <nemik> i got one working perfectly already but want more on the same box
[06:00] <HrdwrBoB> nemik: you could always get a bunch of usb-> serial adapters
[06:00] <Xyc0> What is the IRC server for CAL?
[06:00] <nalioth> Xyc0: what is CAL?
[06:00] <Xyc0> Cyber Athletic Legue
[06:00] <wulfepup> Greetings all! I have a n00b ... but question only 'cause I *am* a noob....
[06:00] <nalioth> Xyc0: better to ask uncle google
[06:00] <HrdwrBoB> tp://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=Cyber+Athletic+League+IRC
[06:00] <HrdwrBoB> http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=Cyber+Athletic+League+IRC
[06:01] <Xyc0> nalioth: I always google b4 i come here
[06:01] <FR500> i don't want my card to be named wlan0
[06:01] <FR500> anyway to change that on boot?
[06:01] <nemik> hrdwrbob: kinda scared to try that...not sure if they will get added as ttys1, ttys2, etc
[06:01] <HrdwrBoB> nemik: but you can buy one
[06:02] <wulfepup> I had heard from the forums (by way of Uncle Goog) that Ubuntu supported the Blitzz 802.11g Super G wireless PCMCIA card ....
[06:02] <nemik> hrdwrbob: yea i guess i can give it a shot :) thanks!
[06:02] <Jormundgand> I'm worried. Debian Sarge has been released. Next thing we know, Duke Nukem will be released, the Messiah will return and we'll be visited by extraterrestrials.
[06:02] <syntaxerror64> duke nukem will NEVER be released
[06:02] <FR500> wulfepup, it's matter of trial and error
[06:02] <disasm> nalioth: apt-get install xffm4
[06:03] <hondje> Sarge is released, apple goes x86....
[06:03] <nalioth> Jormundgand: don't forget the "Phantom" console gaming system
[06:03] <wulfepup> and.. being a n00b.. I figured I try things out before committing, right? So I'm using the Live CD...
[06:03] <Amaranth> Jormundgand: apple is switching to x86 and sarge released
[06:03] <disasm> nalioth: sorry took so long to respond, was killing gnome
[06:03] <FR500> what is sarge?
[06:03] <Amaranth> Jormundgand: It's cold in hell.
[06:03] <wulfepup> *sigh* that's what I was afraid of.
[06:03] <hondje> FR500: The latest debian stable release
[06:03] <nalioth> disasm: is that some sort of euphamism for something nasty?
[06:03] <bleck> quick question, does the standard installation of ubuntu comes with the kernel source?
[06:03] <crimsun> bleck: no
[06:03] <FR500> hondje, how long did it take?
[06:03] <disasm> nalioth: oh, are you a synaptic person?
[06:03] <crimsun> bleck: you can install linux-source-2.6.10, though
[06:03] <bleck> any way to install? trying to get cdemu working :/ ahhh, kewl thanks =)
[06:03] <FR500> wulfepup, it takes some suffering but it works most of the time
[06:03] <hondje> FR500: hrm, 2002 was woody, so 3 yrs
[06:03] <crimsun> bleck: more than likely, however, you want linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[06:04] <nalioth> disasm: i'm console to the core
[06:04] <FR500> wow
[06:04] <HrdwrBoB> bleck: you will probabluy only want headers
[06:04] <HrdwrBoB> .. like crimsun said
[06:04] <FR500> HrdwrBoB, i can't thank u enough for your help
[06:04] <hondje> FR500: Yeah, source of much complaining, that :)
[06:04] <FR500> thx a lot
[06:04] <HrdwrBoB> FR500: I accept all gratuities :D
[06:05] <bleck> thanks a bunch guys
[06:05] <disasm> nalioth: console to core, and never used apt-get install?
[06:05] <wulfepup> I can't find any way to force it to try though...it doesn't see anything beyond my eth0  Ethernet NIC
[06:05] <FR500> gotta run history > wireless_setup so i can do it again
[06:05] <FR500> wulfepup, u on ubuntu now?
[06:05] <wulfepup> Yup.
[06:05] <disasm> my turn for a n00b question, whats the gnome sound server? somethings locking my soundcard since i did killall -9 gnome
[06:05] <FR500> what card did u say?
[06:06] <Amaranth> disasm: esd
[06:06] <wulfepup> Blitzz BWP-712  (802.11g (Super G))
[06:06] <nickrud> killall -9 gnome?
[06:07] <FR500> wulfepup, run lspci, it should list your card and a number
[06:07] <disasm> Amaranth: that did it, thx
[06:08] <disasm> nalioth: if you love console, give mc a shot
[06:08] <bignose_> how to turn on stuff like opengl for ubuntu ?
[06:08] <disasm> bignose_: depends on vid card
[06:08] <FR500> then run lspci -n, it should give you a lot of numbers, find the one you got first and tell me the second
[06:08] <bignose_> disasm: nvidia gforce 4 mx 440.
[06:08] <disasm> bignose_: it's in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:08] <bignose_> k.
[06:08] <disasm> bignose_: you have the nvidia binary?
[06:09] <bignose_> not yet.
[06:09] <FR500> bignose_, lucky for u with nvidia
[06:09] <FR500> apt-get install nvidia-glx i think
[06:09] <FR500> wulfepup, u there?
[06:09] <wulfepup> FR500, some unknowns.. no Blitzz
[06:09] <nalioth> disasm: where did you get the idea i dont use apt? havent you seen me in here instructing in its lesser known usages?
[06:09] <disasm> bignose_: you also need the kernel modules
[06:09] <bignose_> werd.
[06:10] <disasm> nalioth you asked if apt-get install mc was a euphamism for something nasty ;-)
[06:10] <FR500> wulfepup, run lspci only and paste it's content in pastebin
[06:10] <disasm> nalioth: i took that to mean you didn't know what apt was ;-)
[06:11] <Jormundgand> http://www.flexbeta.net/gsurface/IE7.jpg - OH LOOK, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK A HECK OF A LOT LIKE, BOYS AND GIRLS?
[06:11] <nalioth> disasm: 23:02 < disasm> nalioth: sorry took so long to respond, was killing gnome   <<<<this sounds nasty
[06:11] <disasm> bignose_:  i think you need linux-restricted-modules for your arch/kernel
[06:11] <Jormundgand> YES, IT LOOKS LIKE MICROSOFT TOOK DESIGN LESSONS FROM FIREFOX AND BUTCHERED THEM.
[06:11] <disasm> bignose_: apt-cache search nvidia-kernel
[06:11] <nickrud> Jormundgand a cage?
[06:11] <hondje> Jormundgand: Why wouldn't you imitate the best?
[06:12] <disasm> Jormundgand: i don't care what it looks like, if they stay true to their word in fixing css so I don't have to hack it anymore...
[06:12] <disasm> Jormundgand: i'm not getting my hopes up though
[06:13] <bignose_> installing.
[06:13] <anolis_> hello
[06:13] <hondje> hi
[06:14] <bignose_> just cahnge driver from nv to nvidia ?
[06:14] <disasm> nalioth: ah, i see ;-) no i was really doing killall -9 gnome (i hate gnome/kde with a passion, so I don't give it the common decency to be logged out properly, I just do ctrl alt backspace)
[06:14] <anolis_> anyone know anything about getting GameShark's SharkPort Software to run using Cedega, or Wine
[06:14] <nickrud> ah, killall -9 gnome :)
[06:14] <wulfepup> wb FR500
[06:14] <disasm> nalioth: actually i guess thats killing the xserver, not gnome
[06:14] <hondje> disasm: You'd probably be better served with pkill -9 gnome
[06:14] <wulfepup> FR500, http://pastebin.com/296285
[06:14] <anolis_> it seems as though it is not seeing the usb device
[06:14] <nalioth> disasm: :0 okay
[06:14] <nickrud> disasm just watch out for gconfd when you do that
[06:15] <disasm> pkill?
[06:15] <disasm> time to man...
[06:15] <nickrud> yeah, if you know it's there
[06:15] <hondje> disasm: that and pgrep save decent amts of effort
[06:15] <disasm> sweet ;-)
[06:15] <FR500> wulfepup, i think you need ndiswrapper, but you've gotta figure your chipset
[06:17] <disasm> yuck, ndiswrapper, thats what made me so particular about my searching for a new laptop...
[06:17] <Dysphoria> afternoon all
[06:17] <FR500> disasm, it worked for me in one night + some help
[06:17] <FR500> disasm, easier than in fc3
[06:17] <wulfepup> I tried ndiswrapper on my Knoppix Live CD (since it sees my WinXP HD) and used the drivers.. but it didn't work....  The biggest reason I grabbed Ubuntu is due to a reverse recommendation (someone in the forums said he has this card and it work oob.)
[06:17] <Dysphoria> i've just setup an ubuntu base isntall on one of my spare comps, though upon booting and trying to 'su' into root it seems i never got a chance to setup a root account
[06:17] <Dysphoria> how can i now setup a new root account and password??
[06:17] <hondje> Dysphoria: default behavior, supposed to use sudo
[06:17] <anolis_> can someone help me intall the kernel source package properly, so that VMware will install correctly and find the kernel header files?
[06:18] <wulfepup> *sigh*  Oh well
[06:18] <FR500> wulfepup, do you have the windows drivers?
[06:18] <hondje> Dysphoria: link in topic on changing it
[06:18] <disasm> FR500: i'm not worried about it working, i just don't like the idea of a) using an ndis from windows b) no promiscuous mode so I got an atheros chipset wireless g internal
[06:18] <nickrud> disasm I'm in the market, do you have a couple quick pointers to $1400 laptops that work out of the box?
[06:18] <nickrud> hope, hope
[06:18] <wulfepup> on my HD.. yeah.. but I haven't figured out hoe to get there either.. LOL
[06:18] <disasm> nickrud: linuxcertified.com rocks, i love my new lc2464
[06:18] <Dysphoria> thankyou
[06:18] <FR500> disasm, monitor mode is what u really need, promiscuous mode wont monitor that much
[06:19] <FR500> wulfepup, it says it has an atheros chipset
[06:19] <nickrud> ah, a new link, and thanks, disasm
[06:19] <nalioth> nickrud: iBooks
[06:19] <nalioth> nickrud: 14" iBook
[06:19] <wulfepup> that sounds familiar
[06:19] <FR500> does your card comp have a software switch for thre radio?
[06:19] <nickrud> nalioth gotta be intel. gotta run one program under windows
[06:19] <FR500> wulfepup, my other card is an atheros internal and works out of the vox
[06:19] <anolis_> hello? can someone please help me?
[06:19] <wulfepup> funky
[06:20] <Dysphoria> thankyou hondje :D:D:D:D
[06:20] <nickrud> nalioth although, that would be my personal pref, but if the co is paying ....
[06:20] <FR500> wulfepup, how do you turn on your cadf
[06:20] <wulfepup> plug it in
[06:20] <disasm> nickrud: you can get it with FC3, SuSE, or debian pre-installed FC3 is free, the others cost a lil' extra, I went with FC3, used it for an hour, wiped it put debian on, had problems with xfree, so I grabbed ubuntu to get xorg
[06:20] <nalioth> the world is indeed coming to an end. check this screen from wwdc http://www.macobserver.com/gallery/wwdc2005/IMG_0648
[06:21] <FR500> wulfepup, is your laptop listed here? http://rfswitch.sourceforge.net/?page=laptop_matrix
[06:21] <nickrud> disasm looking
[06:21] <anolis_> well can someone at least tell where i CAN go to get some help?
[06:22] <Jormundgand> I saw a thread on the forums "Who switched to Linux entirely (no dualboot)?" and was slightly baffled. "That's unusual enough to warrant a thread?" I thought.
[06:22] <FR500> wulfepup, did u ever try to run iwconfig?
[06:22] <disasm> yeah, i think mac just made the biggest mistake they could have, with the cell processor on the verge of going mainstream, and amd64 in the other arena, they are between a rock and a hard place going with x86... they should have done that 3 years, ago, but not now...
[06:22] <nickrud> although, I am also interested in the 'ubuntu certified' hp laptops. As long as I'm not paying
[06:22] <Jormundgand> I've never been one for multibooting. I hate rebooting my system, and switching to Windows to play XYZ game doesn't seem like a nice way to run things.
[06:22] <deadcat> how do i copy/burn a vcd cd? i tried dd and cdrdao they both suck
[06:22] <nalioth> disasm: macintosh on a Cell....yummm
[06:22] <sproingie> the cell processor is not going mainstream as in "we need 5 million units next week" mainstream
[06:22] <dr_willis> apple is good at doing things they should of done years befor.. then doing a 180 nd changeing their mind..
[06:22] <disasm> especially considering the ppc arch is better than x86
[06:23] <sproingie> thats why apple is switching.  ibm isn't delivering in speed or volume
[06:23] <nalioth> well i gotta go
[06:23] <Amaranth> dr_willis: like steve saying something is a useless feature for iTunes then adding it in the next version?
[06:23] <nalioth> y'all be good
[06:23] <disasm> sproingie: speed? ibm has the fastest processor on the market right now...
[06:23] <wulfepup> FR500, not in list ...  no idea what iwconfig is I'll man it...
[06:23] <Amaranth> disasm: hah
[06:23] <dr_willis> Apple complaining about  not delivering products. is amuseing..
[06:23] <nickrud> Jormundgand I have to run 'Thomas Guide to California' and qemu, and wine don't work, and I can't see paying for vmware for something I run once or twice a month
[06:23] <Amaranth> disasm: don't let apple's old PR fool you
[06:23] <dr_willis> Amaranth,  i was thinkin of the mac clone disaster from years back :P
[06:24] <anolis_> hi Amaranth i was reading up on your neato menu thingy, hows that going?
[06:24] <FR500> wulfepup, run iwconfig, if it lists something you are set
[06:24] <nbvk> u guys talking about apple using intel cpus?
[06:24] <Jormundgand> I'll be sticking to the 32-bit AMD processors until they become sidelined by the 64-bit ones. I have no need for that particular latest widget. This Athlon is sufficient for now.
[06:24] <Amaranth> anolis_: I've got a couple patches I need to integrate to make an 0.7.5 and 0.8 is in progress.
[06:24] <sproingie> disasm: whatever.  architecture prettiness isn't everything, superiority is also what you can deliver
[06:24] <anolis_> cool cool
[06:24] <FR500> dualcore amd is probably my next pc, sith sli :P
[06:24] <anolis_> will the "new menu" option be included?
[06:25] <Amaranth> anolis_: 0.8 is going to have as many translations as I can get from people, a slightly tweaked UI, and maybe copy/paste
[06:25] <dr_willis> I see no point to not go with the AMD64's now. :P  unless of course your budget is very limited.
[06:25] <wulfepup> lo, eth0 and sit0 all "no wireless connections"
[06:25] <Amaranth> anolis_: new menu option? that's been in since 0.5 or 0.6
[06:25] <anolis_> theres .5 .6 ???
[06:25] <anolis_> what the...
[06:25] <FR500> dr_willis, are you being ironic or you mean it?
[06:25] <disasm> sproingie: true, but I see ibm (having just dropped all x86 computers) taking the cell processor, coming out with a new line of thinkpad laptops, partnering with novell, and mass selling them with SuSE to the public within the next few years.
[06:25] <Amaranth> anolis_: yeah man, i'm almost at 0.8
[06:25] <anolis_> i must be missing something.. lol
[06:25] <Amaranth> anolis_: it's called smeg now
[06:25] <Amaranth> anolis_: it's in hoary backports
[06:26] <anolis_> link plz?
[06:26] <disasm> sproingie: ntm the server market, and ps3's
[06:26] <Amaranth> anolis_: but i'd prefer it if you'd use http://dev.realistanew.com/dev/installsmeg
[06:26] <dr_willis> FR500,  been chatting with peopl;e about it - none of us could think of anyreason to not use the 64bit now.
[06:26] <Amaranth> anolis_: download and run that script
[06:26] <syntaxerror64> disasm, i tried irssi earlier
[06:26] <FR500> yes they rock
[06:26] <sproingie> disasm: i on the other hand do not see cell laptops happening.  dreams are one thing, when you need capacity, you need something that can deliver now
[06:26] <disasm> sproingie: i tell ya once the ps3 comes out, I'm going to get one right away, and figure out how to hack linux onto it
[06:26] <FR500> wulfepup, so, ran iwconfig?
[06:26] <anolis_> yea lol im using like... version .42
[06:26] <anolis_> or something
[06:27] <Amaranth> anolis_: ouch
[06:27] <wulfepup> FR500,  yup...  lo, eth0 and sit0 all "no wireless connections"
[06:27] <FR500> hmmm
[06:27] <anolis_> thanks for that Amaranth
[06:27] <disasm> 64 bit computer, with 4 power cores under $500...
[06:27] <sproingie> disasm: i think you'll find that sony's claims that the cell processor will solve the halting problem in negative time are somewhat overblown
[06:27] <IIIEars> !ipod
[06:27] <ubotu> it has been said that ipod is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IPodHowto
[06:27] <FR500> wulfepup, wow your pc is a beast
[06:27] <dr_willis> disasm,  wowsers. :P
[06:28] <disasm> sproingie: only time will tell...
[06:28] <wulfepup> I don't use my modem .. but doesn't find it either .. for comparison...
[06:28] <nickrud> IIIEars you are in love :)
[06:28] <random_> i'm dual-booting XP and Ubuntu at the moment. my sound works fine on windows but ubuntu doesn't detect my soundcard. suggestions?
[06:28] <Amaranth> disasm: the ps3 has one core
[06:28] <IIIEars> a slender irc bot is sexy ;)
[06:28] <FR500> should there be a problem with some wireless cards and nForce chipsets?
[06:28] <FR500> wulfepup, what about 3d acceleration?
[06:28] <dr_willis> random_,  you sure its not detecting it.. or is it just 'muted'  - what is the sound card?
[06:28] <nickrud> IIIEars especially when you feed it ;)
[06:28] <disasm> i almost went with a powerbook for my laptop, the thing that stopped me was the stupid broadcom chipset on apple wireless...
[06:29] <Amaranth> disasm: read up on the cell, it's one powerpc based core with a bunch of altivec units bolted on, but with some extra little niceties
[06:29] <sproingie> the xbox2 is stuffed full of hype, the ps3 full of bullshit, and the revolution full of sycophancy
[06:29] <disasm> Amaranth: really? didn't know that...
[06:29] <FR500> disasm, i guess they are working on linux drivers
[06:29] <wulfepup> FR500, I've only tried some of the GL screen savers.. but they seem a lot more sluggish than they should.
[06:29] <IIIEars> FR500 what type of card do you have?
[06:29] <FR500> IIIEars, it's for wulfepup
[06:30] <FR500> IIIEars, it has an atheros chipset like me, should work out of the box
[06:30] <IIIEars> Yes
[06:30] <disasm> Amaranth: i thought when i was reading up on it 6 months ago it said a cell processor contain 4 power cores, i guess im wrong...
[06:30] <FR500> wulfepup, you need nvidia-glx package
[06:30] <Dysphoria> brb
[06:30] <nickrud> wulfepup glxinfo | grep direct will tell you if you have direct rendering enabled, that may be a reason they seem sluggish
[06:30] <Amaranth> FR500: linux drivers for the broadcom are non-existant and probably always will be, they has no specs
[06:30] <IIIEars> !nvidia
[06:30] <ubotu> well, nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:30] <anolis_> k i just dled .74
[06:30] <Amaranth> disasm: the xbox 360 will have 3 powerpc cores
[06:31] <Amaranth> anolis_: using that script?
[06:31] <nbvk> 3 or 2?
[06:31] <Amaranth> nbvk: 3
[06:31] <anolis_> i dont know how or what i do to use it
[06:31] <FR500> Amaranth, linksys is supporintg linux and uses broadcom chipset, i think they'll work eventually
[06:31] <Amaranth> anolis_: You save that page to your computer and run it from a terminal.
[06:31] <anolis_> the whole thing?
[06:31] <sproingie> as it is, most games hold my attention for a couple weeks and gone
[06:31] <anolis_> does it download the latest release as well
[06:31] <Amaranth> anolis_: I don't support users of smeg who don't have those gnome-menus packages installed, the ones that come with hoary are too buggy.
[06:31] <foxiness> hi , what i need to restore my tar backup file from live cd to new partition i create ?
[06:31] <disasm> FR500: broadcom has linux drivers (linksys wrt54g, and ndiswrapper for x86, but no option on ppc)
[06:32] <Amaranth> anolis_: installsmeg does, yes
[06:32] <FR500> oh
[06:32] <FR500> disasm, so the wrtg drivers can be used on x86s?
[06:32] <disasm> syntaxerror64: sorry, got side tracked, did you like it?
[06:32] <Amaranth> disasm: soon we'll have ndiswrapper for apple x86 machines and i can buy a powerbook :)
[06:32] <FR500> new consoles are starting to suck, gotta get my nes and play some contra
[06:32] <disasm> FR500: no, you need ndiswrapper and win drivers on x86
[06:33] <disasm> FR500: they are mips
[06:33] <FR500> disasm, thats what i meant
[06:33] <anolis_> im really new to this ...meh really new... i said that like a year ago, i still feel like a complete noob
[06:33] <syntaxerror64> disasm, no prob.  i'm not quite sure what i thought of it...
[06:33] <syntaxerror64> disasm, i was lost more or less.
[06:33] <FR500> Amaranth, disasm doesnt want ndiswrapper
[06:33] <FR500> Amaranth, he wants promiscuous mode
[06:34] <disasm> anolis_: the problem with computers is the more you learn, the more like a n00b you feel, because you realize how much out there you don't know yet...
[06:34] <FR500> altough monitor mode is what he really should be looking for as i found oyt
[06:34] <nickrud>  anolis_ I've been running linux systems as my main machine for over five years, and, since I'm not a coder, I'm still a noob
[06:34] <rute> how do you assign an icon to a file-type(extension) under gnome?
[06:34] <FR500> disasm, you right, i've been researching a lot lately and i'm getting dizzy
[06:34] <disasm> Amaranth: lol ;-) i like the atheros chipset, it seems to be one of the better wireless ones i've used...
[06:35] <IIIEars> rute - good question
[06:35] <rute> IIIEars,  :)
[06:35] <anolis_> i know what you mean, hopefully when i get out of highschool i can goto college and learn a highlevel programming language and take it from there
[06:35] <foxiness> disasm, :) the windows user will not feel like that , its tradmark to linux world
[06:35] <FR500> disasm, well, my wpc54gs kicks my atheros performance wise
[06:35] <FR500> both on same pc
[06:35] <FR500> wulfepup, if you had got a centrino u would not have all those issues
[06:35] <FR500> wulfepup, but your pc seems a beats
[06:35] <FR500> beast
[06:36] <anolis_> k, amaranth it just gave me syntax errors when i pasted, do i need to paste it into a file and run it using python <filename> ?
[06:36] <ubuntu_n00b> it's a pita ...
[06:36] <ubuntu_n00b> pain in the a....
[06:36] <disasm> foxiness: i disagree, granted windows isn't as fun, but there are a lot of things with windows you realize you don't know, especially getting into servers, and manually changing things in regedit and whatnot, for a basic desktop user, any os will work, it's power users, that are picky...
[06:36] <rute> I know it can be done because some apps use custom icons for the files they handle but I can't seem to find a way to set icons based on ext.
[06:36] <FR500> for war driving the atheros card rocks
[06:36] <anolis_> brb
[06:37] <disasm> FR500: yeah, i have gpsdrive/kismet setup i'm playing with, needs a lil' more tweaking though...
[06:37] <IIIEars> rute - a bit ambiguos for a new user like myself but maybe you can make some use of it. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MimeManagement
[06:37] <rute> IIIEars, thanks
[06:37] <FR500> disasm, a gtk frontend would be sooo sweet
[06:38] <disasm> FR500: for kismet?
[06:38] <FR500> for kismet_client
[06:38] <disasm> FR500: ah, i haven't gotten very far with it yet, i got gpsdrive functioning with my gps so far, still have to play with kismet some
[06:39] <FR500> how hard was it to setup the gps, i' gotta wait for the weekend to try on mine
[06:39] <disasm> FR500: i was under the impression it was a server daemon that interacted with gpsdrive though
[06:39] <ubuntu_n00b> FR500,  are you saying beast as in hard to tame.. or beast as in "da bomb"  (yeah, right, LOL)
[06:39] <FR500> beast it da bomb, seems very powerful, mine has got a trident vid card
[06:40] <FR500> ubuntu_n00b, hell my deskop is not as powerful as ur laptop
[06:40] <disasm> FR500: pretty easy with a serial interface, i just plugged in the serial cable to a usb->serial->usb port, tail -f /var/log/syslog while doing it, write down virtual device, put it in the config
[06:40] <ubuntu_n00b> Less than $1000
[06:40] <ubuntu_n00b> with a free all-in-one and 4mp camera....
[06:41] <rute> IIIEars, thanks for the link :) It's over my head too but at least now I know it isn't something to look into rite now lol
[06:41] <rute> can't believe it's that complex to associate icons to file extentions
[06:42] <FR500> ubuntu_n00b, i'm on a 3rd world country
[06:42] <FR500> disasm, cool, hope it works
[06:42] <ubuntu_n00b> of course I shorted myself on a few items .. but all in all it replaces my desktop for most work.
[06:42] <rute> gnight all
[06:42] <IIIEars> lol - that link sent me back to playing xscrabble almost instantly. - tough making any sense of it. the warning about file encoding and not using the mimetype file extension was scarey.
[06:43] <disasm> ubuntu_n00b: what kind of laptop?
[06:43] <ubuntu_n00b> disasm, HP pavillion..
[06:43] <ubuntu_n00b> BRB gotta change the baby.
[06:43] <FR500> u a girl?
[06:43] <daba> Dont kick the baby...
[06:43] <FR500> ubuntu girl?
[06:43] <FR500> or a responsible dad
[06:45] <Sero> crimsun, the only thing I can find in the forums are just threads that say, "thanks to crimsun in irc I was able to figure it out"
[06:45] <daba> Hey, I rebooted one day, and the computer got stuck when counting the memory. I disabled the Linux hard drive, and can boot into windows easily. Then, I enabled the Linux hard drive again in BIOS, and I got something about a kernel panic. It usually hangs about the memory count at startup, though. Any comments?
[06:45] <nickrud> Sero lol, that is the truth :)
[06:45] <IIIEars> Amaranth - please give me a hint or pointer link on, changing file associations
[06:45] <disasm> ubuntu_n00b: watch the plastic near the hinges, i have a lot of hp laptops i repair, that have cracks write at the hinge
[06:45] <disasm> ubuntu_n00b: what processor?
[06:46] <kalias> nickrud:  How do you uninstall an application in ubuntu?
[06:46] <FR500> daba, some fsck error?
[06:46] <disasm> kalias: apt-get remove or synaptic, your pick
[06:46] <difeta> where can i learn how to setup apache2 to work with mono?
[06:46] <FR500> brb
[06:46] <sproingie> .oO ( why does nobody use aptitude here? )
[06:46] <daba> I do not know, FR500, you tell me, or tell me how to fin out.
[06:46] <nickrud> kalias assuming it was intstalled with apt-get, apt-get remove <package>
[06:46] <FR500> it says fsck error
[06:46] <anolis_> k back
[06:47] <FR500> daba noone can help unless you ca tell the actual ouput
[06:47] <nickrud> but aptitude is better
[06:47] <IcemanV9> disasm: the plastic easily breaks?? dang. gotta be careful with it.
[06:47] <disasm> difeta: http://www.apacheworld.org/modmono/
[06:47] <FR500> my toshibais a real road warrior
[06:47] <kalias> actually I used the handbook method of installing limewire.  Not quite the same as the other methods.
[06:47] <disasm> difeta: gotta love google ;-)
[06:47] <cory_> what's up guys
[06:47] <daba> FR500: t remember seing that anywhere. It usually gets stuck at counting the memory, though. Do you think I should try getting the kernel panic again, and writing down the exact error?
[06:47] <cory_> quick question -- what p2p program do ya'll use in linux?
[06:47] <nickrud> kalias point me at the link you used to install limewire
[06:47] <daba> Dont should be in the start.
[06:47] <disasm> kalias: limewire? why not gift? it does gnutella, openft and fasttrack
[06:47] <Scorp> guys when the installation starts it blinks without control and I can't read what's on the screen (laptop LCD screen) please help me
[06:48] <IIIEars> ubotu mono is http://www.apacheworld.org/modmono/
[06:48] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay
[06:48] <FR500> daba, yes
[06:48] <sproingie> cory_: i'm partial to mldonkey
[06:48] <anolis_> so is that what i do amaranth?
[06:48] <cory_> mldonkey
[06:48] <cory_> is that better then limeware?
[06:48] <kalias> disasm: well...sad to say I am a newbie and did not know any better :(
[06:48] <daba> FR500: I will try, good idea, thanks.
[06:48] <cory_> limewire*
[06:48] <sproingie> cory_: much harder to get working.  does more networks.
[06:48] <Scorp> guys please ? the screen just blinks like crazy
[06:48] <cory_> ok cool
[06:48] <nickrud> limwire sucks, mldonkey rules :)
[06:48] <disasm> sproingie: i'd like a plugin for gift for mldonkey, now that would rock...
[06:49] <cory_> thx
[06:49] <kalias> nickrud: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/   I used the limewire install mentioned in this doc.
[06:49] <sproingie> except bt, which i dont consider p2p, more of a download accellerator
[06:49] <disasm> sproingie: yeah ;-)
[06:49] <difeta> disasm, the problem is though, when i try to install libapache-mod-mono, apt-get trys to install apache 1.3 Which the howto you just showed my says will NOT work.
[06:49] <ubuntu_n00b> disasm, amd 64
[06:49] <kalias> diasm: what is gift?
[06:50] <IIIEars> Scorp - i am new but it might be enabling or disabling framebuffer that will fix it.
[06:50] <ubuntu_n00b> FR500, ok.. back....  nope .. I'm a dad.. we have four kids..the wife dumped the baby in my lap and says "change her."
[06:50] <FR500> lol
[06:50] <hondje> ubuntu_n00b: odd, I just got back from that same scam
[06:50] <Scorp> IIIEars: how do I do that?
[06:50] <ubuntu_n00b> LOL
[06:50] <sproingie> ubuntu_n00b: four kids ... amazed you have time to irc
[06:50] <hondje> Now I get the distinct pleasure of herding my 2.5 year old to bed :(
[06:50] <Joe_Powerbook> um, is the Ubuntu torrent tracker down?
[06:50] <ubuntu_n00b> they're all in bed and I don't work.... yet
[06:50] <Scorp> IIIEars: I can't see what's going on the screen past the stage where it asks me what kind of installation to boot?
[06:50] <IIIEars> Scorp - textra options available in the F# keys
[06:50] <FR500> sproingie, right, i have 2 parakeets and no time for anything
[06:50] <FR500> lol
[06:51] <nickrud> god I hate that link
[06:51] <deFrysk> Joe_Powerbook, /topic
[06:51] <disasm> difeta: i'd love to help you, but no mono in amd64 so I can't try to simulate it...
[06:51] <kalias> nickrud: sorry, didn't know any better :(
[06:51] <difeta> disasm, np
[06:51] <Joe_Powerbook> deFrysk: thx
[06:51] <disasm> kalias: gift.sf.net many frontends, probly most known is kceasy on windows
[06:51] <IIIEars> give me a second and i'll put a disk in and find out what F# key it is
[06:51] <nickrud> kalias np, there is some good stuff in ubuntu guide, it's just too ambitious
[06:52] <FR500> Joe_Powerbook, why dont downloading normally?
[06:52] <anolis_> where did you go amaranth
[06:52] <kalias> nickrud: from what I have seen you guys have a great distro here, I really like it.  I think my gentoo is going to become a thing of the past.
[06:52] <Scorp> IIIEars: thanks a lot man! It owrked well
[06:52] <Joe_Powerbook> FR500: I don't see the PowerPC DVD iso available for normal download
[06:52] <sproingie> yay another convert
[06:52] <alexander__> sup all
[06:52] <FR500> oh
[06:52] <FR500> ok
[06:52] <Jormundgand> ubuntu_n00b: Please excuse my waves of relief that I am not you and have extremely low chances of inheriting any similar traits to you.
[06:53] <nickrud> kalias ok, sudo rm /usr/share/applications/LimeWire.desktop
[06:53] <FR500> so do you think going for AMD64 would cause me ubuntu problems?
[06:53] <ubuntu_n00b> FR500, and disasm soo what you guys are saying is my wireless should be recognized out of the box.... but for some reason it just doesn't..
[06:53] <alexander__> can anyone please tell me how to get dovecot-imap working on ubuntu?
[06:53] <nickrud> kalias I just use this good work, i don't make it, although I would wish
[06:53] <Joe_Powerbook> so does anyone have an expected uptime on the tracker?
[06:53] <MattAndreas> just installed ubuntu for the first time.  Love the install, but....vid drivers weren't there
[06:53] <FR500> ubuntu_n00b, if it's the card i fouund out, yes
[06:53] <MattAndreas> anyone know how to get some for a Dimension 3000's onboard Intel chipset?
[06:53] <FR500> it's got an atheros chipset so it should be working
[06:54] <FR500> ubuntu_n00b, do you have the windows drivers?
[06:54] <disasm> difeta: and my irc.gentux.org server (debian unstable) is running apache...
[06:54] <hondje> MattAndreas: lspci should tell you what onboard video card you have
[06:54] <ubuntu_n00b> FR500, wellll...  the amd 64 is a difference ....
[06:54] <IIIEars> Scorp - NP - "pay it forward"
[06:54] <tsume> debian.. heh /me laughs
[06:54] <nickrud> kalias sudo rm /usr/bin/runLime.sh
[06:54] <hondje> MattAndreas: Like I get '0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03)'
[06:54] <Scorp> IIIEars: will do
[06:54] <MattAndreas> Intel 82865G
[06:54] <MattAndreas> we got the same thing
[06:54] <nickrud> kalias and sudo rm /opt/LimeWire
[06:54] <crimsun> Sero: did you search for "ca0106"?
[06:55] <MattAndreas> now where do I find the driver?
[06:55] <nickrud> kalias that should clean you out
[06:55] <ubuntu_n00b> FR500, .... the drivers are on my WinXP HD (ntfs) (and I haven't figured out how to mount it yet through Ubuntu live.)
[06:55] <matjan> hello, i want to install ubuntu on my slave harddrive, and have a dual boot system? how do i approach this the best way? i'm a total newbie to linux...
[06:55] <tsume> breezy wocks! :)
[06:55] <MattAndreas> Intel 82865G Integrated Graphics Device, to be exact
[06:55] <IIIEars> hondje - lol - done a bit of reading on the i810 it isn't the best. - no accel from what i have seen. - anyone want to buy a lightly used HP machine?
[06:55] <zachary> matjan
[06:55] <matjan> yes
[06:55] <disasm> tsume: i like debian. it doesn't install anything by default, I completely customize it. If I could do that with ubuntu i'd be excited... i just like xorg enough to get adventurous ;-)
[06:56] <hondje> MattAndreas: In /etc/X11/xorg.conf, I believe you'd want to put 'i810' as your driver, but I'm checking that real fast
[06:56] <ubuntu_n00b> Jormundgand, ditto....  I'd rather not be a giant serpent/dragon
[06:56] <kalias> nickrud:  kalias@Wimpy:~$  sudo rm /opt/LimeWire
[06:56] <kalias> rm: cannot remove `/opt/LimeWire': Is a directory
[06:56] <FR500> ubuntu_n00b, the chances on getting wifi to work on livecd are slimer than an installed one
[06:56] <bob2> IIIEars: i810 isn't *that* bad...it's plenty good enough for desktoppy stuff and the occassional tuxracer
[06:56] <fabbione> disasm: you can achive the same using the ubuntu server install :)
[06:56] <eyequeue> disasm:  press the various F keys on the install cd at boot, choose "server" and "expert"
[06:56] <zachary> make sure before you try this that your slave harddrive boots as a slave
[06:56] <hondje> IIIEars: Hrm, I didn't know i810 could do accel
[06:56] <nickrud> kalias and sudo rm -r /opt/LimeWire
[06:56] <bob2> kalias: sudo rm -r /opt/Limiwire/
[06:56] <FR500> ubuntu_n00b, probably just installing it will work
[06:56] <zachary> i've been having problems with it
[06:56] <tsume> disasm: you can, on install, type server instead of just hitting enter
[06:56] <ubuntu_n00b> so once I give in I should be ok.....  hopefully.
[06:56] <disasm> fabbione: ah thats right, i did see that...
[06:56] <zachary> i run an hp with the stock 80 gig hardrive
[06:56] <tsume> disasm: the install will then not install X and other apps
[06:57] <zachary> and i put ubuntu on a slave
[06:57] <fabbione> disasm: and it will install the real bare bone system
[06:57] <IIIEars> bob2 - Hadn't had much luck with accel myself - 300fps in glxgears for a 64mb card
[06:57] <zachary> i guess it could be a problem with the bios boot sequence
[06:57] <disasm> tsume: will it install server stuff, or will it do a nice clean slate?
[06:57] <matjan> i think it does... the boot partition (for win2k) is on my other (master) drive
[06:57] <MattAndreas> ok, wait...
[06:57] <MattAndreas> it's in there already
[06:57] <disasm> fabbione: awesome, i'll have to try that
[06:57] <tsume> disasm: basically nothing
[06:57] <kalias> nickrud: done.  Should I check for directories to make sure that things are cleaned out?
[06:57] <MattAndreas> and yet it doesn't let me choose anything other than 640x480
[06:57] <fabbione> disasm: enjoy :) btw i use it here for testing and it works just fine
[06:57] <tsume> disasm: bare bones, you must install the servers, etc manually
[06:57] <nickrud> kalias yes, always check stuff for yourself
[06:58] <disasm> fabbione: what do you have to do to get ubuntu to automagically setup xorg.conf for you if you do it that way?
[06:58] <matjan> zachary: but you have it running now?
[06:58] <xskoulax> hi
[06:58] <zachary> yes it works great
[06:58] <tsume> disasm: I like ubuntu becuase the people are friendly, the software doesn't stay ancient, and they are quick in response
[06:58] <MattAndreas> in the screen resolution tool jobby
[06:58] <bob2> MattAndreas: known bug
[06:58] <IIIEars> Mattandreas - NP problem with resolution. it can really put out high res.
[06:58] <fabbione> disasm: well hmm... let me remember...
[06:58] <FR500> how can i rename an interface  on boot?
[06:58] <kalias> nickrud:  I check /etc for limewire correct?  It should be gone.
[06:58] <wulfepup> is there a way to mount the hd through the Live CD?
[06:58] <bob2> wulfepup: sure, in the terminal
[06:58] <disasm> tsume: yeah, it's like #gentoo without compiling source ;-)
[06:58] <bob2> FR500: edit /etc/iftab
[06:58] <tsume> disasm: though, you must be careful, there are some of the debian mean people floating in this channel
[06:58] <matjan> zachary: cool... win2k and ubuntu?
[06:58] <eyequeue> FR500:  man 5 iftab, iirc
[06:58] <FR500> thx
[06:58] <zachary> winxp
[06:58] <zachary> and ubuntu
[06:58] <MattAndreas> bob2: so i'm stuck then?
[06:59] <zachary> but itll work the same
[06:59] <tsume> disasm: only if you use the latest development like I do
[06:59] <bob2> MattAndreas: no, you just need to edit the config manually
[06:59] <FR500> this is the best community ever
[06:59] <hondje> MattAndreas: Nope!
[06:59] <xskoulax> wondering if anyone can help me, i've been having problems getting the gnome battery monitor working right
[06:59] <fabbione> disasm: it should be enough to install xresprobe mdetect and laptop-detect
[06:59] <disasm> tsume: I might be considered one of them ;-)
[06:59] <tsume> disasm: on the releases, updates are every 6 months
[06:59] <zachary> just in the bios change the boot sequence to the slave
[06:59] <nickrud> kalias yes that's always a very good check, although I don't think limewire put anything there
[06:59] <zachary> first
[06:59] <hondje> MattAndreas: First and really only step is to google for the specs of your monitor
[06:59] <fabbione> disasm: and after install x-window-system
[06:59] <zachary> and that should work
[06:59] <MattAndreas> ok, so what do I do again?  (sorry to be a pain in the butt)
[06:59] <fabbione> brb
[06:59] <zachary> so you can install it on there
[06:59] <MattAndreas> my monitor?
[06:59] <IIIEars> MattAndreas - Your card is great for ubuntu. don't ask it to play Doom3
[06:59] <MattAndreas> not the video card?
[06:59] <tsume> disasm: I use breezy though, everything is updated. Right now they are going through a transition phase.
[06:59] <leo_mx> is there any command to switch between desktops?
[06:59] <anolis_> what is breezy?
[06:59] <hondje> MattAndreas: If i810 is there, you're good :)
[06:59] <MattAndreas> IIIEars: sure.  but how do I get it to do 1280x1024
[06:59] <bob2> MattAndreas: in my Monitor section in xorg.conf, I have this:
[06:59] <zachary> leomx
[06:59] <bob2>         HorizSync       30-96
[06:59] <bob2>         VertRefresh     48-160
[07:00] <xskoulax> virtual desktops? leo_mx
[07:00] <nickrud> kalias you probably have a dot file in your home (~.limewire, or some such)
[07:00] <zachary> shft ctrl arrow
[07:00] <tsume> anolis_: brezzy wocks ;)
[07:00] <eyequeue> anolis_:  development version
[07:00] <zachary> left right
[07:00] <matjan> ok... do i do that even before the installation?
[07:00] <leo_mx> no...simply workspaces
[07:00] <anolis_> where can i get it?
[07:00] <eyequeue> anolis_:  avoid it if you're not a developer :)
[07:00] <disasm> tsume: is breezy == testing?
[07:00] <IIIEars> MattAndreas - bob2 has it for you.
[07:00] <eyequeue> anolis_:  see /topic
[07:00] <tsume> anolis_: you need to change your apt.list in /etc/apt from hoary to breezy
[07:00] <bob2> MattAndreas: yo ucan find the values for those from the "monitorrange" line in the output of "sudo ddcprobe"
[07:00] <hondje> MattAndreas: find the specs for your monitor and add lines like bob2's to xorg.conf...then add your desired resolutions in the file with all the rest of them at the bottom
[07:00] <tsume> disasm: sort of
[07:00] <DAC1138> if i use synaptic to uninstall an app with ?complete removal" will that remove all the dependencies it install too?
[07:00] <bob2> (it IS monitor-specific)
[07:00] <kalias> nickrud:  I think everything is okay.  I will now install the program that blackgibson recommended.  Thanks for the help :)
[07:00] <bob2> hondje: no need to find the specds unless the monitor is broken
[07:00] <eyequeue> tsume:  um, /topic
[07:00] <bob2> or the kvm
[07:00] <xskoulax> ctrl+alt then left or right arrow
[07:01] <tsume> disasm: its stable most of the time. Right now there are a couple broken packages, but nothing to be worried about
[07:01] <leo_mx> cool
[07:01] <hondje> bob2: all these years I never heard of that...now I got to play with it
[07:01] <tsume> eyequeue: the topic are for people who don't know what they are doing.
[07:01] <nickrud> kalias np, and, now that you've been cleansed, you can install and run gtk-gnutella without removing limewire
[07:01] <bob2> tsume: like ssh X-forwarding not broken, or X not starting for some people?
[07:01] <zachary> i think before you could just choose if from the ubuntu install
[07:01] <bob2> anolis_: please don't use it
[07:01] <MattAndreas> ok, I found a Monitor section
[07:01] <anolis_> nvm.. doesnt sound all that easy and "breezy"
[07:01] <nickrud> kalias :)
[07:01] <MattAndreas> and also a Screen section
[07:01] <Razor-X> ok, so I was in the wrong server the whole time
[07:01] <Razor-X> scary, that
[07:01] <MattAndreas> the Screen one already has all the modes in there
[07:01] <bob2> tsume: I think people who don't know how to use apt don't qualify for "know what they are doing"
[07:01] <eyequeue> anolis_:  please disregard what tsume is saying
[07:01] <MattAndreas> the Monitor does not
[07:01] <matjan> zachary: ok... do i do that even before the installation?
[07:01] <tsume> bob2: x forwarding works here.. and as far as X not starting for people.. build the font dirs and it will start then ;)
[07:02] <matjan> oops... ok, i missed your answer
[07:02] <bob2> MattAndreas: yes, add only the lines I mentioned (with the right values) to the Monitor section
[07:02] <leo_mx> how could i make a shorcut to the trash can in my desktop?. becaus the trash can is in my panel...also..is ther any way to pop up the trash can by the terminal?
[07:02] <aatim> !ping me
[07:02] <FR500> does anyone have enlightment?
[07:02] <ubotu> aatim: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[07:02] <disasm> tsume: i'm new as of saturday, haven't gotten into the ins and outs of ubuntu's policy, just impressed by the community, and the fact xorg configed itself i was worried after debian kept freezing (no switching to virtual terms or anything, complete lockout...) when i started x
[07:02] <zachary> matjan: restart the computer with the ubuntu disk in, and it should allow you to choose which drive to install linux on, choose the slave
[07:02] <eyequeue> leo_mx:  you can't drag to the icon on the panel?
[07:02] <leo_mx> no
[07:02] <tsume> hehe
[07:02] <bob2> disasm: the X in debian is unfortunately very very old
[07:02] <hondje> 4.3 :(
[07:02] <MattAndreas> bob2: just the refresh rates?
[07:02] <matjan> right... and then the bootloader takes care of the rest?
[07:02] <tsume> bob2: no kidding :)
[07:02] <MattAndreas> no resolutions?
[07:02] <zachary> matjan: then when its all done (about 30 min)
[07:02] <bob2> MattAndreas: indeed
[07:03] <tsume> debian is dead :P
[07:03] <Razor-X> my eyes... my eys....!!!
[07:03] <bob2> MattAndreas: you may need to add resolutions at the bottom later, if they aren't there already
[07:03] <hondje> Debian isn't close to dead
[07:03] <Razor-X> I have seen... enlightenment!!!!
[07:03] <FR500> tsume, why?
[07:03] <daba> Hi, when I boot now I get a kernel Panic error message. I can sometimes not even get to the booting linux stage, it sometimes hangs at the memory count. This page shows the exact error I get on screen, when the kernel panic happens: http://pastebin.com/296297 .
[07:03] <tsume> hondje: debian is dying :)P
[07:03] <zachary> matjan: yes  well you have to tell your computer that you want to slave drive to run any bootloader
[07:03] <hondje> hehe, tsume confirms it, don't have to be The Amazing Kreskin :)
[07:03] <eyequeue> please let's not bash distros here
[07:03] <dr_willis> hangs at the memory count --> you mean when the pc furst boots?
[07:03] <wulfepup> Ok, assuming I'm mostlyt a n00b, but know how to follow directions....is there a guide for installing Ubuntu as a dual boot (with XP) on an already configured XP machine?
[07:03] <sproingie> tsume: has netcraft confirmed it?
[07:03] <matjan> zachary: how to do that?
[07:03] <tsume> hondje: netcraft confirms it! debian is dying :)
[07:04] <MattAndreas> bob2: the very bottom, or in "Screen"?
[07:04] <daba> dr_willis: right.
[07:04] <disasm> question, does reportbug point to an ubuntu bug site or debians bugzilla?
[07:04] <matjan> i still need to be able to run win2k
[07:04] <tsume> sproingie: happy? :P
[07:04] <sproingie> disasm: ubuntu's
[07:04] <daba> But, boots into windows on another hard drive fie, when I disable the linux one oiin bios.
[07:04] <hondje> MattAndreas: resolutions you want go in screen, horiz/vert stuff in monitor
[07:04] <dr_willis> daba,  hmm time to do some memory testing.
[07:04] <nickrud> disasm it puts the mail on the ubuntu devel list
[07:04] <zachary> matjan: if you hit esc alot before the computer boots it should allow you to choose which disk you want to run off of
[07:04] <tsume> kroot has landed!
[07:04] <tsume> *root
[07:04] <daba> dr_willis: doubtful.
[07:04] <nickrud> embarrasing
[07:04] <eyequeue> disasm:  reportbug (1)        - reports a bug to a debbugs server
[07:04] <disasm> sweet, i might upgrade my release and join the devel list, help find bugs in betas and stuff...
[07:04] <MattAndreas> hondje: and because the horiz/vert stuff isn't there, only 640x480 shows up as a res option?
[07:04] <cafuego> tsume: Netcraft lies. i can't 9for instance) tell that all my Debian vhosts run Debian.
[07:05] <koosy> can anyone help me with zsnes?
[07:05] <hondje> MattAndreas: Yep, you got it
[07:05] <dr_willis> daba,  its failing at the bios post - sounds to me like it could be a bad/loose chip.
[07:05] <hondje> cafuego: Netcraft didn't actually say that, it's a play on the classic "*BSD is Dying" troll
[07:05] <dr_willis> koosy,  whats the problem?
[07:05] <daba> dr_willis: hard drive issue, more likely, boots windows fine when I disable that linux hard drive in BIOS.
[07:05] <tsume> hondje: had to make a bit on fun with that ancient line :)
[07:05] <MattAndreas> bob2: thanks
[07:05] <zachary> matjan: good luck
[07:05] <disasm> koosy: zsnes, i think thats what i setup on my freevo box for snes games, whats the problem?
[07:05] <MattAndreas> hondje: thanks
[07:05] <MattAndreas> now to find out
[07:05] <tsume> hondje: I'm bored :)
[07:05] <cafuego> hondje: BSD is alive and well in an millons of Macs ;-)
[07:06] <matjan> zachary: ok... so you don't get a menu where the pc asks if you want to run windows or ubuntu?
[07:06] <koosy> i can't compile it. i'm a real noob, but i've done a few things right with other things so far
[07:06] <hondje> Does no one but tsume appreciate a classic troll? :(
[07:06] <IIIEars> MattAndreas - http://pastebin.com/296298 - My XORG file - remember if bob2 is right accel may be misconfigured. but it does res fine.
[07:06] <dr_willis> daba,  the hard drive is making the POST fail its memory check.. Hmmm... that sounds VERY odd.  or somthing is confuseing. :P
[07:06] <eyequeue> cafuego:  just like the 486 ;)
[07:06] <hondje> MattAndreas: No problem
[07:06] <tsume> heh. I knew Apple was working on porting MacOSX to the intel chips a year before the news
[07:06] <alexander__> is it possible to get dovecot working on ubuntu?
[07:06] <cafuego> hondje: Most people don't apprecial ANY trolls.
[07:06] <koosy> it comes with configure
[07:06] <daba> dr_willis: thanks.
[07:06] <Joe_Powerbook> tsume: try 5 years before the news
[07:06] <tsume> hondje: I get a kick out of the old jokes, so slap me
[07:06] <zachary> matjan: i always had to do the way i'm telling you but if its different for you email me @ zguajardo@gmail.com
[07:06] <hondje> tsume: hey, I'm with you man :)
[07:06] <koosy> it keeps telling me it cannot guess build type
[07:06] <hondje> tsume: I know when the handwriting is on the wall
[07:07] <tsume> hondje: I still like the "All your base are belong to us" :)
[07:07] <dr_willis> koosy,  zsnes in in the packages :P are you useing a 64bit disrto however?
[07:07] <nickrud> alexander__ I was using imap on debian with courier, and dovecot dropped in nicely iirc
[07:07] <hondje> hehe
[07:07] <disasm> koosy: oh wow, it's not in ubuntu, compiling from scratch... not sure if I want to go that far... or maybe i will, test out this 64 bit processor...
[07:07] <matjan> alright zachary... thanks for the direction
[07:07] <koosy> haha
[07:07] <zachary> matjan: no prob good luck and good night
[07:07] <anolis_> would someone like to help me setup my kernel source so that i can install vmware, so that i can install windows inside vmware, so that i can install SharkPort, so that i can add codes to my Gameshark on My playstation2 that is installed onto my homes power grid
[07:07] <zachary> zachary out
[07:07] <tsume> you aren't allowed to slap me, only women are supposed to do that :)
[07:07] <dr_willis> koosy,  you are useing 64bit ubuntu and trying to compile zsnes?
[07:07] <disasm> koosy: can you give me a link to wget source? if not I'll google it real quick
[07:07] <tsume> which is quite frequently
[07:08] <eyequeue> alexander__:  i'd say this says yes: http://ftp.ankara.edu.tr/ubuntu/pool/main/d/dovecot/
[07:08] <alexander__> nickrud, iirc? whats that?
[07:08] <crimsun> anolis_: you need linux-source-2.6.10 and linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:08] <MattAndreas> rebooting now...we'll see how it goes
[07:08] <koosy> well, i don't think its 64bit, it shouldn't be
[07:08] <hondje> The fun part about IRC is you can't tell what I am :)
[07:08] <wulfepup> tsume  it's part of the "old joke thread"  *sigh*
[07:08] <koosy> its at www.zsnes.com
[07:08] <tsume> crimsun: I run 2.6.12 ;)
[07:08] <dr_willis> koosy,  i mean the LINUX disrto you are useing. :P
[07:08] <anolis_> yes so i just install those packages?
[07:08] <nickrud> alexander__ that means, I did it, but don't exactly remember how, but if I recall correctly, it was easy
[07:08] <anolis_> is it really that easy?
[07:08] <koosy> i'm using 1386 hoary
[07:08] <koosy> damn i feel stupid
[07:08] <daba> crimsun: did you see my question above at all?
[07:08] <nickrud> alexander__ that is, if I recall correctly
[07:08] <tsume> the 2.6.12 kernel which ubuntu distribs is much.. bigger
[07:09] <disasm> koosy: it is in it... just not 64 bit yet...
[07:09] <dr_willis> koosy,  zsnes if i recall - uses some 32 bit only assembly. however the snes9x can work on 64bit ubuntu.     but i just 'apt-get install zsnes" :P
[07:09] <MattAndreas> uh oh
[07:09] <MattAndreas> that blew up X
[07:09] <disasm> koosy: add multiverse to your sources.list if its not in it
[07:09] <MattAndreas> now it won't start
[07:09] <koosy> oh ok, how can i do that stuff?
[07:10] <alexander__> nickrud, ive been trying here for a while, but no luck getting dovecot to work - on debian it needed no config, in ubuntu you have to configure it, but still something ive missed...
[07:10] <MattAndreas>      HorizSync       30-96
[07:10] <MattAndreas> bob2         VertRefresh     48-160
[07:10] <dr_willis> heh :) been doing stuff the hard way eh.. :P
[07:10] <koosy> i'm sorry guys, but i've been trying to have fun with the synaptic thing for a few days now
[07:10] <nickrud> alexander__ but, courier imap is what I use now, and it is easy
[07:10] <MattAndreas> shoudl there be quotes around those?
[07:10] <koosy> yeah really
[07:10] <wulfepup> FR500, are you using 5.04 or a previous build?
[07:10] <anolis_> crimsun is that all i have to do?
[07:10] <koosy> it took me hours to get java and azureus
[07:10] <koosy> not really, but it seemed like it
[07:10] <dr_willis> proberly need to install some extra repositoroies. then just 'sudo apt-get install zsnes'
[07:10] <tsume> woo, more breezy updates!
[07:10] <FR500> wulfepup, both
[07:10] <alexander__> nickrud, to configure?
[07:10] <tsume> gcc 3.4 and packages
[07:10] <crimsun> anolis_: no.
[07:10] <crimsun> anolis_: there's a walk-through somewhere; use Google
[07:10] <wulfepup> oh.. so much for that idea...
[07:10] <disasm> koosy: open it with <favorite text editor goes here> and append multiverse to the end, or type this as root: vi /etc/apt/sources.list<enter>:%s/universe/universe multiverse/g<enter>:wq<enter>
[07:11] <FR500> wulfepup, on both worked out of the box
[07:11] <crimsun> daba: no
[07:11] <tsume> evolution too :) maybe they packaged the fix for the contact bug
[07:11] <FR500> 5.04 >>>>>>>> 4.10
[07:11] <nickrud> alexander__ but, I will say that courier imap & evolution under hoary threads properly; courier imap under breezy doesn't, and I've not found the fix
[07:11] <hondje> MattAndreas: No quotes for horiz/vert
[07:11] <disasm> koosy: then apt-get update; apt-get install zsnes
[07:11] <anolis_> ok so what do i need exactly, im using the default Hoary 5.04 ubuntu install
[07:11] <koosy> should that be it?
[07:11] <daba> crimsun: ok, thanks. Would you happen to know anything about kernel panics? I have a post of the erro here: http://pastebin.com/296297 .
[07:11] <disasm> koosy: if you dont know root password, sudo bash will make you root
[07:11] <koosy> right
[07:11] <alexander__> nickrud, thx, ill give courier a try
[07:12] <nickrud> and the fix is my problem, I've seen it before, I just can't remember what the fix is yet
[07:12] <IIIEars> MatAndreas - Ach! wrong machine wrong XORG!  using a kvm to switch back and forth. sorry.
[07:12] <koosy> thanks guys, i'll give this a try and be back
[07:12] <crimsun> daba: I'm about to head to bed, but I'll take a look
[07:12] <daba> crimsun, thank you, it should not take long just to take a lok.
[07:12] <MattAndreas> hondje: that's where I goofed
[07:12] <MattAndreas> rebooting again now
[07:12] <wulfepup> FR500, so maybe the amd64 or maybe the Live CD or maybe the nVidia.  Ok.. Got it ...  the Live CD is a pain anyway...  nothing is permanent...LOL
[07:12] <FR500> yes
[07:12] <crimsun> daba: from a livecd or installed?
[07:12] <MattAndreas> guessing this'll do it
[07:13] <MattAndreas> and then I can get a beer and then sleep :)
[07:13] <daba> crimsun, installed, II have had it run for a while, as you know if you know who I am...\
[07:13] <alexander__> cd ..
[07:13] <wulfepup> so is there a walkthrough for installing Ubuntu?
[07:13] <tsume> just out of curiosity, is perl6 still vapourware, or does anyone know if they are actually working on it?
[07:13] <MattAndreas> works beautifully now
[07:13] <MattAndreas> Thanks folks
[07:13] <MattAndreas> this is what makes linux rule :)
[07:13] <ksmurf> does anyone have any advice installing a LAVA serial card?
[07:14] <Seveas> wulfepup, not needed, the installer is ber-simple
[07:14] <disasm> daba: i'm no expert, but i'd say its not mounting the fs, what fs are you using, and is this ide/scsi/sata? is there a raid involved?
[07:14] <wulfepup> I'm assuming it isn't as easy as say.. Windo$e
[07:14] <ksmurf> or a serial wacom graphire?
[07:14] <daba> it says which filesystem in that post.
[07:14] <IIIEars> G'nite MattAndreas!
[07:14] <Seveas> wulfepup, easier (apart from partitioning)
[07:14] <daba> no raid, plain hard disk
[07:14] <disasm> wulfepup: it's so easy you don't need a walkthrough
[07:14] <MattAndreas> uh oh
[07:14] <MattAndreas> vertical positioning is a bit off
[07:14] <MattAndreas> screw it.  I'll deal with that later
[07:14] <MattAndreas> monitor already as far up as it can go
[07:14] <disasm> Seveas: i think it's partitioning is easier than windows xp...
[07:15] <MattAndreas> and the image is still too low
[07:15] <ksmurf> disasm:It is easy... I've done it 15 times on this machine this week
[07:15] <Seveas> disasm, I think so too, but partitioning can be scary to newbies :)
[07:15] <Seveas> disasm, especially since most do not know they have to create a swap partition :)
[07:15] <crimsun> daba: what changed?
[07:15] <wulfepup> Ok, so assuming a nearly full HD and WinXP Home....and I'm shooting for a dual boot... no walkthrough.
[07:15] <disasm> ksmurf: yeah, thats what i thought, i remember using fdisk (not cfdisk) with slack back in the late 90's...
[07:16] <wulfepup> just gotta clean off enough space for a reasonable install.
[07:16] <daba> crimsun: I wish I knew. Again, I probably changed many things between boots.Is there no common cause with these kernel panics like that?
[07:17] <disasm> Seveas: yeah, but most people using windows just tell it to take over the drive, i don't think a windows xp user would be comfortable splitting a partition to have separate data/os drives, and it has an option to do a desktop install instead of manual...
[07:17] <crimsun> daba: it's very difficult to narrow down the cause with such a wide range of possibilities
[07:17] <ksmurf> yay 24 hours without breaking my system....lol
[07:17] <Seveas> disasm, indeed :)
[07:17] <MattAndreas> 1024x768 works perfectly
[07:17] <Seveas> ksmurf, congrats :D
[07:17] <daba> crimsun: I see, thank you. Then, it is ewither my local expert:) or I will back up reinstall.
[07:17] <MattAndreas> but it always specs 75Hz
[07:17] <wulfepup> now I'm confused...
[07:17] <MattAndreas> that seems strange
[07:17] <MattAndreas> maybe if I changed that, it would center right at 1280x1024
[07:18] <MattAndreas> No matter.
[07:18] <MattAndreas> thanks again, bob2 and hondje!
[07:18] <disasm> daba: did you try choosing a diff kernel?
[07:18] <ksmurf> does anyone have any advice installing a LAVA serial card?
[07:18] <ksmurf> or a serial wacom graphire?
[07:18] <hondje> MattAndreas: Happy to help, I'm quite bored at work :)
[07:18] <MattAndreas> heh
[07:18] <crimsun> daba: if you can narrow down the range, it'd help
[07:18] <MattAndreas> later on
[07:18] <daba> Dusasm, yes, post states that as well, did not try recovery mode, will try that nesxt.
[07:19] <daba> crimsun: any tips on narrowing it? perhaps try remembering what I did?
[07:19] <crimsun> daba: yes
[07:19] <daba> crimsun: ok, that will be what Ill do after I try recovery.
[07:19] <disasm> daba: ah, didn't see the () there
[07:19] <wulfepup> Well if I don't have a chance to dl the install CD over the weekend (my only chance to get on a high speed) I'll just wait for the CDs...  I req'ed them about a week or so ago...  so not terribly longer
[07:19] <daba> disasm: thank you.
[07:19] <daba> crimsun: good night. thank you again, as always.
[07:20] <disasm> daba: i didn't do anything other than ask useless questions ;-)
[07:20] <daba> disasm: I know, thanks for the good will.
[07:21] <disasm> daba: no problem
[07:22] <Scorp> I don't remembering entering a root pw (I know there is no root but it still asks for a pw?)
[07:22] <rixth> Can you import .abr Photoshop brush files into the Gimp, if so how?
[07:22] <FR500> bye
[07:22] <FR500> thx
[07:22] <disasm> Scorp: sudo passwd will let you set root pass
[07:22] <Scorp> ty
[07:22] <Amaranth> Scorp: Don't do that.
[07:23] <Amaranth> Scorp: When something asks for a password, put in your password.
[07:23] <IIIEars> !rootsudo
[07:23] <ubotu> somebody said rootsudo was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:23] <Scorp> oh my pw?
[07:23] <Seveas> disasm, please tell people about sudo before telling them to set a rootpassword
[07:23] <Seveas> Scorp, yes
[07:24] <IIIEars> poor Seveas - grin
[07:24] <Seveas> Scorp, ubuntu uses sudo by default, see the link ubotu said
[07:24] <Seveas> :)
[07:24] <IIIEars> Sudo works much better.
[07:25] <eyequeue> and safer
[07:25] <wulfepup> sudo rm - .. ahh crud I wish I could remember the rest of that super evil command.
[07:25] <Seveas> IIIEars, eyequeue, indeed. If only everyone was convinced of that :)
[07:25] <Scorp> umm so what do I do to check if my wifi card works?
[07:25] <Seveas> wulfepup, sudo rm -rf /
[07:25] <Seveas> :p
[07:25] <Seveas> Scorp, iwlist scan
[07:26] <Seveas> that lets the card scan
[07:26] <Seveas> sudo iwlist scan even
[07:26] <Scorp> ok it works
[07:26] <Scorp> thanks
[07:26] <kvidell> how do I add a user to samba?
[07:26] <wulfepup> yeah  that one!!!] 
[07:26] <kvidell> I type smbpasswd and it says "kvidell: no such user"
[07:26] <nickrud> IIIEars tell me a bit about this bot, it's better than the last, I think
[07:26] <Scorp> apt-get install WPA_suppliment ? now?
[07:26] <dr_willis> smbpasswd -a user
[07:26] <dr_willis> :P
[07:27] <Seveas> Scorp, wpa is difficult to set-up unfortunately
[07:27] <dr_willis> i think
[07:27] <eyequeue> Scorp:  supplicant
[07:27] <kvidell> ah, cool.
[07:27] <Seveas> but you need wpa_supplicant
[07:27] <nern> hi\
[07:27] <kvidell> yay, thanks.
[07:27] <Scorp> couldn't find package?
[07:27] <Scorp> maybe I need to configure some mirrors?
[07:27] <tsume> wpasupplicant
[07:27] <wulfepup> I'm still learning this cmd line stuff .. I used to work with it on and off...  but now I'm trying to kick into full time.
[07:27] <Seveas> Scorp, you need universe enabled
[07:28] <Scorp> what's that?
[07:28] <Seveas> the package is wpasupplicant by the way, so without a _
[07:28] <eyequeue> Scorp:  "sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant" after you configure universe
[07:28] <Seveas> Scorp, www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[07:28] <Seveas> Scorp, wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:29] <Scorp> ok thank you
[07:29] <tsume> wpa is much better than insecure wep
[07:29] <Seveas> tsume, much better is quite untrue, it can still be cracked
[07:29] <disasm> Seveas: sorry bout that, had never read that before, interesting...
[07:29] <Seveas> ccmp (the standard-to-be) will finally fix this
[07:30] <eyequeue> Scorp:  i recommend getting your card to work without wpa or wep initially, then adding the encryption back in, if you can
[07:30] <jdims> has alot to do with wordlists and password strength, wpa is more superior though
[07:30] <tsume> Seveas: its only as bad as any password implementation today, by brute force
[07:30] <disasm> Seveas: so should i refrain telling people to just sudo bash as well?
[07:30] <tsume> Seveas: so therefore, its much better
[07:30] <Seveas> tsume, again untrue, wpa supports 802.1x natively
[07:30] <tsume> Seveas: any service today may be brute forced
[07:31] <Seveas> disasm, sudo -i is the way to get a root login shell :)
[07:31] <tsume> Seveas: no, again true. All services can be brute forced.
[07:31] <Seveas> tsume, well, not quite
[07:31] <disasm> Seveas: ah, i was reading that, never used it before, that works...
[07:31] <tsume> Seveas: yes
[07:31] <Seveas> tsume, no :)
[07:31] <Amaranth> tsume: If you have half the world working on it it might happen in a couple decades.
[07:31] <hondje> You're more at risk from /dev/shm not being mounted -noexec
[07:31] <tsume> Seveas: you must not be in security much
[07:31] <Seveas> tsume, read up on things like Lamports hash
[07:31] <Seveas> tsume, lol :D
[07:32] <IIIEars> If Sudo is safer than root or not either is better than XP's defaults
[07:33] <xskoulax> is there ubuntu channel for laptop support?
[07:33] <disasm> Seveas: maybe you can help me then, I have two locations i have joined with an ipsec vpn, it works fine, but the firewall kills it, you know what rules i need in my firewall script to allow ipsec?
[07:33] <rixth> Can you import .abr Photoshop brush files into the Gimp, if so how?
[07:33] <eyequeue> xskoulax:  you're in it
[07:33] <koosy> hey guys, if youre still there, i did it, thanks!
[07:33] <Seveas> tsume, there are lot of zero-knoledge proof systems around that can only be attacked online. With good security measures to detect these attacks (and that's not too difficult) and using perfect forward secrecy and strong session keys, you can effectively disable brute-force attacks
[07:33] <disasm> koosy: sweet
[07:34] <xskoulax> thats what i thought i couldn't see any other channels mentioned on the website
[07:34] <Chislon> can someone tell me how to access my fat32 partition?
[07:34] <IIIEars> Hi rxth - #gimp is no help. too quiet :/
[07:34] <Seveas> disasm, if your firewall does nat or alters your packages, you're screwed
[07:34] <cyanact> so i installed ubuntu server and want to log in as root, not the user thing i put in. how do i do that?
[07:34] <koosy> only prob is its like 10 versions ago, but at least i have something to play with while i try to compile the latest version
[07:34] <eyequeue> xskoulax:  or read/post here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=63?referrerid=7995
[07:34] <Seveas> cyanact, the server install option lets you setup a root account iirc
[07:34] <disasm> cyanact: use sudo
[07:35] <IIIEars> rixth i have a link it may help was just given it.http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/index.html
[07:35] <Seveas> if not, use sudo
[07:35] <tsume> Seveas: just makes it more unlikely for the nonsavy crackers.
[07:35] <Seveas> cyanact: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:35] <nickrud> Chislon probably, do you know what partition it is on?
[07:35] <cyanact> ahhh thank you
[07:35] <rixth> IIIEars, thanks
[07:35] <blotter> i think a reinstall is in order since i did an upgrade, but here is the situation...everytime i view web pages with firefox OR mozilla, my web browser closes...i cant even view the forums
[07:35] <tsume> Seveas: encryption is just obfuscation, nothing really advanced about it.
[07:35] <disasm> so doues root in ubuntu get completely locked out from login, or is the password just scrambled and can still be brute forced?
[07:35] <Seveas> tsume, lol, go get a clue man....
[07:36] <koosy> actually, i found another .deb of a newer version, but not on synaptic...so i don't know how to install it exactly
[07:36] <Chislon> nickrud, well its the last one i set up so it should be, number 7 i think
[07:36] <eyequeue> disasm:  the former
[07:36] <Seveas> disasm, there is an x in the password field
[07:36] <tsume> Seveas: to me, security is obfuscation. Easy to see plainly through the "security"
[07:36] <Seveas> so no login possible
[07:36] <disasm> koosy: dpkg -i <name_of_package>
[07:36] <cyanact> so that password and username i created on installation, will it basically be treated as root?
[07:36] <tsume> SeamusLP: you need to go get a clue, and maybe work as a security admin.
[07:36] <Seveas> tsume, again, get a clue. Read a network security primer
[07:36] <koosy> ok
[07:36] <nickrud> Chislon sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda will show you your partitions, and what's on them.
[07:36] <disasm> Seveas: ok, thats cool
[07:36] <tsume> *seveas
[07:36] <eyequeue> cyanact:  no, but you can accomplish what you need from it
[07:37] <nickrud> Chislon assuming the fat32 is on the first disk
[07:37] <Chislon> nickrud, and thats a safe command to do? for me lol
[07:37] <cyanact> apt-get and all that?
[07:37] <Seveas> tsume, i work as a security admin...
[07:37] <tsume> Seveas: you really need to follow your own words
[07:37] <Chislon> nickrud, well i only have one harddrive
[07:37] <nickrud> Chislon yeah, it's safe
[07:37] <eyequeue> cyanact:  think of it as "root on the rare occasions i need it, otherwise safe"
[07:37] <tsume> Seveas: then you're a dumbass
[07:37] <Seveas> tsume, sure :)
[07:37] <disasm> tsume: your right to a certain extent, but at the same time from a security point, the more layers of security you have the better.
[07:37] <eyequeue> cyanact:  sudo apt-get ...
[07:37] <cyanact> btw, nemik is my real nick but my modem crashed and the nick is still there. can anyone kick is to i can use it?
[07:37] <Chislon> nickrud,  what is that simple after the -
[07:37] <nickrud> Chislon if you like, you can pm me with your output from the fdisk command
[07:38] <eyequeue> cyanact:  /msg NickServ help ghost
[07:38] <caonex> my hard disk drive led is continously on, i mean it does not even blink. I am not using any programs. I am just logged in to X :0. Also, i run the program "top", but do not see anything that is using the processor so intensively for me not to see it blinking, any ideas on what is causing this?
[07:38] <tsume> disasm: well sure. More the better, but just because you've a dozen great firewalls doesn't make any system secure
[07:38] <koosy> disasm: root@ubuntu:~/Desktop # dpkg -i root/Desktop/zsnes_1.400-1_i386.deb
[07:38] <koosy> dpkg: error processing root/Desktop/zsnes_1.400-1_i386.deb (--install):
[07:38] <koosy>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[07:38] <caonex> could it be a problem with the power manager?
[07:38] <blotter> i think a reinstall is in order since i did an upgrade, but here is the situation...everytime i view web pages with firefox OR mozilla, my web browser closes...i cant even view the forums.. when i type in www.ubuntuforums.org, it crashes immediately.
[07:39] <Seveas> koosy, make sure you typed in the filename correct
[07:39] <koosy> ok
[07:39] <disasm> tsume: i know, but i'm saying even if encryption is easily crackable, if it keeps a portion of the population out, it still does it's job, just yo need layers beyond encryption as wll
[07:39] <eyequeue> koosy:  first guess, you probably want a slash in front of root
[07:39] <koosy> yeah...that was dumb
[07:39] <koosy> i did it
[07:39] <koosy> perfectly
[07:39] <disasm> tsume: personally from a wireless standpoint, i have a psk ipsec vpn setup, so I can have it open and easy to access, yet still lock out unwanted users
[07:40] <tsume> disasm: okay, but it doesn't stop the other organisations from spying on people. Especially the governmently funded crackers
[07:40] <disasm> koosy: tab completion
[07:40] <koosy> disasm, where do you go to learn all this? i can't find anyplace i like, i'm about to go buy a Linux book.
[07:40] <tsume> disasm: theres actually technology which isn't released, which would really surprise you :)
[07:41] <eleusis> hello
[07:41] <koosy> tab completion? (GAH)
[07:41] <tsume> disasm: if any true cracker wanted in, they will get in.
[07:42] <tsume> disasm: I'm not talking about these half ass kiddy groups which roam undernet
[07:42] <tsume> or fags like Emp on Efnet
[07:42] <disasm> koosy: i originally went to linuxdocs all the time back in the day, i have a couple of good books too, ones a unix reference manual, and most of the others are pretty horrible (dont buy idiot's guide to linux or rh linux 5 bible)
[07:42] <koosy> awesome. all i needed were a few sources to learn.
[07:42] <disasm> tsume: i know, i'm just saying the more layers of security you have the better.
[07:42] <dr_willis> dont buy linux books with lots of pictures/screenshots :P
[07:43] <eyequeue> koosy:  i like "lynx /usr/share/doc/" personally :)
[07:43] <koosy> thanks for all your help guys, again.
[07:43] <disasm> koosy: best way to learn is a) google b) cant find on google, ask someone on irc/mailing list oh and cant forget c) play as much as possible
[07:43] <count0nz> linux for dummies :P how to get owned in 10 easy steps
[07:43] <koosy> hahah
[07:44] <hondje> didn't maddog write linux for dummies?
[07:44] <tsume> disasm: I've a big problem seeing it that way. Its like in all the stupid CS departments where they say hiding your implementation will keep your cryption core secure from people knowing how it works. /me yanks out IDA pro
[07:44] <disasm> count0nz: yeah, i bought it back in jr high for a free linux cd (dialup at the time)
[07:44] <koosy> oh, damn, while i'm here...another quick question google wouldnt help with
[07:44] <count0nz> disasm: :) kewl thats fine :P
[07:44] <disasm> count0nz: it came with caldera linux (sco) i think it was 1.0 or something...
[07:44] <neighborlee> is there a way to add a 'message' along with a /kick so someone knows why they have been ?
[07:45] <koosy> i can't browse my primary slave drive, although ubuntu is recognising it
[07:45] <count0nz> :P that was an ok distro at the time
[07:45] <koosy> i figure its somethign really easy, but i'm tired of trrying
[07:45] <hondje> koosy: define 'can't browse'
[07:45] <eyequeue> neighborlee:  /help kick, in your client.  typically you append the message text
[07:45] <tsume> neighborlee: your client should concat the message automatically
[07:45] <disasm> count0nz: the whole first half of the book told you how to point and click in kde1 to open ppp connections, and other things like e-mail/browser the 2nd part was short and had basic cli commands (i like my unix ref better) and the 3rd part told you step by step how to recompile your kernel for sound and ppp support
[07:45] <tsume> s/concat/append/ :)
[07:45] <neighborlee> ah ok I thought as much..THX everyone
[07:46] <koosy> nautilus only sees one filesystem, and i looked everywhere in that to see if i caould access it, but nothing
[07:46] <hondje> koosy: is hdb mounted?
[07:46] <GammaRay> koosy: you have to use the command mount
[07:46] <koosy> mount hdb?
[07:46] <eyequeue> koosy:  where is the other mounted? what's the mountpoint?
[07:46] <koosy> liek that
[07:46] <GammaRay> similar
[07:46] <hondje> mount /dev/hdb /place/it/goes
[07:46] <disasm> koosy: mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/something
[07:47] <count0nz> disasm: :) kewl :) those books are ok but lol i know what you mean i rather editing my setup in cli exp cos i usealy use headless servers :)
[07:47] <hondje> oh yeah, the 1, I always forget taht :)
[07:47] <disasm> hondje: hdb wont work if it's a hd
[07:47] <koosy> the other as in the one i'm using?
[07:47] <hondje> disasm: it does if you screwed up partitioning really bad :D
[07:47] <ufo8mykat> hello
[07:47] <eyequeue> koosy:  then, ls /mount/point/here should work :)
[07:47] <disasm> count0nz: yeah, ssh all the way ;-)
[07:47] <count0nz> disasm: ssh and screen :) agree
[07:47] <eyequeue> nemik:  wb
[07:47] <ufo8mykat> I just installed ubuntu on a Tecra M2
[07:48] <disasm> count0nz: oh yeah, with irssi, naim, mutt and lynx, remotely accessible anywhere you have internet access (and outgoing ssh isn't blocked)
[07:48] <koosy> ok, i'm gonna try to mount it.
[07:48] <ufo8mykat> there's a resolution problem with it...it's all fuzzy.  Editing the grub works, just like the wiki page says :) I love when things work that easily
[07:48] <koosy> i'll be back
[07:48] <eyequeue> ufo8mykat:  congrats :)
[07:48] <ufo8mykat> thanks!
[07:49] <disasm> koosy: ok, see ya later
[07:49] <ufo8mykat> I haven't really used linux before
[07:49] <disasm> koosy: good luck
[07:49] <ufo8mykat> so I thought I'd be a good guinea pig for the OS
[07:49] <count0nz> disasm: yes... you can nock to get ssh to come in or some ppl put ssh on port 53 :) that means you can get free ssh from a hotel room
[07:49] <disasm> count0nz: ah, didnt know that, hows that work?
[07:49] <eyequeue> ufo8mykat: don't be afraidto play a bit, you can always reinstall, right? :)
[07:49] <ufo8mykat> definitely
[07:49] <majic> did anyone recieve the free Ubuntu 5.04 cd's yet?
[07:50] <disasm> ufo8mykat: just dont listen to anyone that tells you to sudo rm -rf /
[07:50] <REds> majic, ye i recieved heaps of free ones
[07:50] <hondje> hehe
[07:50] <GammaRay> or do.. you can reinstall right?
[07:50] <ufo8mykat> lol. ya.
[07:50] <disasm> GammaRay: lol
[07:50] <majic> REds, should I be worried that it's been more than 2 months and still no cd's?
[07:50] <ufo8mykat> i've used suse a bit
[07:50] <ufo8mykat> and os x
[07:50] <count0nz> disasm: i read about it somewhere but a lot of places block everything but like 80,53 and thay firewall you .. and puting ssh server on 53 means you can bypass there firewall and get into your system also no one scans for ssh on port 53 so you got a pretty secure box too
[07:50] <ufo8mykat> but primarily i dwell in windows
[07:50] <eyequeue> ufo8mykat:  btw, that command means "delete everything, no questions asked"
[07:51] <ufo8mykat> I know :)
[07:51] <ufo8mykat> thanks
[07:51] <REds> majic, no, there are long delays sometimes
[07:51] <REds> i waited like ages
[07:51] <wulfepup> :(
[07:51] <ufo8mykat> The catalyst...well, there were two
[07:51] <ufo8mykat> 1)  Hypatia :)
[07:51] <ufo8mykat> 2) Asterisk
[07:51] <majic> REds, cool, I'm not giving up hope =)
[07:51] <majic> haha
[07:51] <REds> ;o haha
[07:51] <majic> I've been waiting really patiently
[07:51] <GammaRay> ufo8mykat: I myself dwell under the sink
[07:51] <disasm> count0nz: all the hotels ive been in have allowed ssh, but not free...
[07:51] <eyequeue> majic:  did you get cds before?
[07:51] <count0nz> disasm: lol cos basicly you have ssh you have vpn :P
[07:51] <majic> eyequeue, no
[07:51] <ufo8mykat> really?  I hang upside down in the closet
[07:51] <disasm> count0nz: most definitely ;-)
[07:52] <count0nz> disasm:  i am not sure aparently it bypass's billing
[07:52] <eyequeue> majic:  me either, but i'm told that will delay things, they go to the new ppl first
[07:52] <GammaRay> ufo8mykat: your closet has a window?
[07:52] <wulfepup> I hate being stuck on dial-up .. I want my Ubuntu now..LOL (and I still have at least 2-4 more wks based on the "standard estimate") LOL
[07:52] <disasm> count0nz: yeah, if that works, i'll do a setup like that, and just vnc to my desktop through an ssh tunnel...
[07:52] <count0nz> disasm: exactly lol
[07:53] <majic> I'd gladly buy some cd's but to my knowledge they don't sell them
[07:53] <dab1> Hey, check this funny error I get when I try to boot, notice the GRUb on the bottom, every minute or so, a new GRUb appears:) http://www.mts.net/~danb/DSCN0468.JPG .
[07:53] <disasm> count0nz: i dont know what i use ssh more for, accessing my shell with screen, or tunneling ports...
[07:53] <eyequeue> majic:  right, all free (incl. d/l)
[07:53] <GammaRay> wulfepup: try installing suse from ftp sometime
[07:53] <majic> I did download it but I really wanted the nice professional pressed cd
[07:53] <dab1> Its like GRUB, GRUB, GRUB....
[07:53] <majic> so I could give some away
[07:54] <count0nz> disasm: :P kewl :) ok i am off all.. Take care i'll reseach more into it
[07:54] <eyequeue> majic:  likewise
[07:54] <Seveas> dab1, lol :)
[07:54] <Seveas> never seen that befor
[07:54] <disasm> count0_food: send me an e-mail if you find anymore about it. sam@samleathers.com
[07:54] <GammaRay> wulfepup: took me 2 weeks of not getting disconnected to do that
[07:55] <dab1> yeah, Seveas, sometimes it lets me to grub, and then gives a kernel panic. I asked crimsun about it, and he says, try remembering what you changed. I have no clue tho.
[07:55] <Seveas> dab1, have you edited /boot/grub/menu.lst ..?
[07:55] <count0_food> disasm: ok i know where the item is i'll send you a link to the item well if i can find it.... ok gone
[07:55] <dab1> hehe, this one girl adds me to her list in MSN, and so I give her a nickname yo, and the first thing she does is says yo...funny.
[07:55] <dab1> like... yo: yo
[07:56] <hondje> You're on freenode, you don't know any girls
[07:56] <dab1> Seveas: I think I did at least a little bit. Not the main entries, tho.
[07:56] <eyequeue> dab1:  cute
[07:56] <Seveas> dab1, can you boot from a livecd and post that file somewhere
[07:56] <dab1> hondje: I do know some girls, but am seriously in need of one at this time.:) I hafve started freenode recently...
[07:56] <dab1> the menu.lst, hey?
[07:57] <Seveas> dab1, yes
[07:57] <dab1> I guess that is the necxt I could try.
[07:57] <disasm> lol ;-) girls... i've heard about them before, they tend to stay away from me though
[07:57] <hondje> dab1: hehe
[07:57] <eyequeue> dab1:  some will say to leave freenode immediately, before you're affected ;) (i don't concur though)
[07:57] <hondje> I met the missus in a geeky chat thing
[07:57] <eyequeue> woman: nothing appropriate.
[07:57] <eyequeue> don't i have... ?
[07:57] <GammaRay> walk into the light.. yes open your front door and walk into the light.
[07:58] <hondje> No, not the light, that's from the daystar, and it will burn you
[07:58] <ufo8mykat> oki, i'll visit later
[07:58] <dab1> I cant boot into that disk, I can boot into my windows hard disk. maybe I should insatll linux over this, and then mount the other hard drive, and get the file off of that, that may be the easier thing for me to do, since I may not have a live cd.
[07:58] <ufo8mykat> bedtime...g'night!
[07:58] <ufo8mykat> be well
[07:58] <Seveas> leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet the sun shine, leeeeeeeeeeeeet the sun shine, let the su-hun shi-iiiiiine :)
[07:58] <disasm> GammaRay: i love walking into the light, but usually it involves backpacking/kayaking/caving/rock climbing (well not caving, thats even less light) but most girls dont like those things either...
[07:59] <dab1> in, seveas, let the sunshine in.
[07:59] <hondje> My daughter forces me to go outside (
[07:59] <dab1> GammaRay: whats that big light bulb in  the blue ceiling?
[07:59] <hondje> stupid parks
[07:59] <GammaRay> disasm: in that order?
[08:00] <dab1> hondje: come on, at least that has to be a pleasant experience.
[08:00] <disasm> GammaRay: i'd say rock climbing/kayaking/backpacking/caving as my order with favorite first
[08:00] <dab1> ok, checking out the issue, then.
[08:00] <hondje> dab1: Of course :)
[08:00] <IIIEars> dab1 - you can use the windows boot loader for linux google boot.lnx
[08:00] <GammaRay> disasm: I only cave to pretty girls
[08:01] <eyequeue> heh
[08:01] <dab1> IIIEars: how will it help?
[08:01] <koosy> disasm: i'm having no luck :(
[08:01] <dab1> GammaRay: who choses, masturbates...
[08:01] <disasm> GammaRay: lol ;-) i mean climbing into a dark small hole, and crawling till you get to a dead end ;-)
[08:01] <dab1> bahaha, that is a saying from my country, and it even rhymes.
[08:01] <disasm> koosy: with zsnes?
[08:01] <hondje> You have a strange country
[08:01] <dab1> we are a very wise nation, you know...
[08:01] <IIIEars> okay never mind. - didn't want to miss an opporttunity to add meaningless info. - sry.
[08:01] <dab1> haha
[08:02] <koosy> i'm going trough, and its telling mt hda1, 2 hdb,1,etc, all don't exist on fstab or mtab
[08:02] <dab1> IIIEars: thats totally cool, maybe it does help.
[08:02] <disasm> koosy: oh, ok
[08:02] <dab1> IIIEars: do you know what I am trying to do?
[08:02] <koosy> (moutning the hd
[08:02] <disasm> koosy: cfdisk /dev/hdb
[08:02] <disasm> what partitions are shown?
[08:02] <GammaRay> disasm: you play sperm?
[08:02] <IIIEars> I missed a bit of your question. - GIMPing photos
[08:02] <disasm> GammaRay: what?
[08:02] <hondje> wtf?
[08:02] <dab1> koosy: sudo mount -l
[08:03] <GammaRay> disasm: think of what you just said in the most perverted sense
[08:03] <GammaRay> that's what I do
[08:03] <disasm> dab1: that only shows mounted partitions
[08:03] <dab1> disasm, yeah? I beg to differ:)
[08:04] <disasm> GammaRay: i dont get it
[08:04] <disasm> GammaRay: im pervertedly challenged...
[08:04] <GammaRay> well no use in explaining what might be (probably is) a bad joke
[08:05] <hondje> disasm: don't feel too bad, I don't get it either
[08:06] <disasm> hondje: i guess I've just been using linux too long, cfdisk is a part of my regular vocabulary... I asked someone having problems with 98 if when they reinstalled if they cfdisked before they installed, and then realized cfdisk is foreign to them
[08:06] <hondje> disasm: do what I do, just shrug and say 'not my field' for windows problems :)
[08:07] <tsume> s/stupids/students/
[08:07] <dab1> computer science, or customer service?
[08:07] <dab1> ah
[08:07] <tsume> dab1: computer science
[08:07] <GammaRay> it can't be that big of a leap from fdisk to cfdisk
[08:07] <hondje> less and less science in CS it seems :-/
[08:07] <tsume> dab1: on one side, they can use a langauge fully(features, etc), but lack much in self though
[08:07] <tsume> *thought
[08:08] <tsume> other sciences like EE, Biology, etc are smart, but can't write code worth a damn, unless his name is the deceased Richard Stevens :)
[08:08] <hondje> That's not exactly fair, physicists and mathematicians steal programming jobs all the time :)
[08:08] <tsume> haha
[08:09] <tsume> hondje: well, actually I've heard about the math students getting more programming jobs.
[08:09] <hondje> tsume: I heard something to that effect myself
[08:09] <disasm> hondje: i make most of my money with windows problems/setups ;-) i'm in the consulting business, having lots of clients hooked on this whole, never have to touch linux server that gives them a central space to store all their files though, and even a webcalendar server for a couple more hundred bucks ;-)
[08:09] <hondje> then again, I study physics and math
[08:10] <tsume> hondje: well, CS programmer's talents in Math and English are non-existant. I could see the reason to hire math majors
[08:10] <hondje> disasm: ah, that sounds fun :-D
[08:10] <GammaRay> I'll bet in thirty years a math degree will look as good as it does today
[08:10] <XTC> tsume hondje: well, actually I've heard about the math students getting more programming jobs. << of course... programming is all logic... maths work with logic mostly... numbers are marginal....
[08:10] <hondje> I get paid to make pretty pictures with gnuplot, matlab, etc, bug fixing in C++ and the like...nothiing serious
[08:10] <tsume> XTC: I wonder if they use the wonderful FORTRAN, I know people who swear by it :)
[08:11] <GammaRay> and people will look down on your "old" cs degree for not have been coined  during the latest fad
[08:11] <XTC> !
[08:11] <ubotu> XTC: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[08:11] <hondje> But I bet I wouldn't have this cake job if I wasn't a physics/math student
[08:11] <tsume> hondje: matlab is a joke
[08:11] <eyequeue> the nsa is hiring some good ... math geeks for cryptanalyst positions
[08:11] <hondje> tsume: depends on what you're doing
[08:11] <GammaRay> just a thought..
[08:11] <eyequeue> probably indicates something
[08:11] <dab1> tsume: who are you though? are you better than the CS students you talk about?
[08:11] <tsume> hondje: I can't link to matlab using C/C++ and have it communicate with my objects correctly because matlab has a broken aspect of object messaging
[08:12] <hondje> I don't have problems with mex :-)
[08:12] <hondje> But I don't use it to write applications, I use it to do math and stuff
[08:12] <tsume> hondje: if I pass a object to matlab, it wont keep the object open for C++ to look/modify, which isn't what most people want
[08:12] <disasm> hondje: yeah, its fun helping clients find solutions that fit their budget, and still being able to undercut the whole rest of the population because i can setup linux in half an hour, and resell an old 500 mhz box with 256 mb ram for $1000 as a central file server (and of course, its the service to set it up, the computer is "free" for tax purposes)
[08:12] <tsume> hondje: I ended up using lua though :)
[08:12] <dab1> I am a CS student, and I try to keep away from math, and even programming as much as I can.
[08:13] <hondje> Lot cheaper to whip up something in matlab and have it take 10% longer than take twice as long to write it in fortran or C
[08:13] <tsume> hondje: well this is a high end engineering backend
[08:13] <dab1> I mean, that may well be wrong, but, I dont like that, I like PM, A&D...
[08:13] <disasm> dab1: keep away from programming... thats no fun
[08:13] <tsume> hondje: it uses much computing, but its a pity matlab wasn't suffive
[08:13] <dab1> programming is the bvoring part, the implementation, for me boring, that is...I like designing systems, analyzing business problems.
[08:13] <tsume> hondje: I'm really unhappy with all the retards at CMU
[08:14] <tsume> they keep bitching senselessly at my friend because they can't fucking read the manual.
[08:14] <hondje> For what it's for, I can't think of anything better than matlab, but its like all tools, only for certain things
[08:14] <GammaRay> I like programming.. I'm just looking for the combo class.. "teaching math through programming"
[08:14] <GammaRay> does thst exist?
[08:14] <dab1> tsume: + students are only as good as their teachwers... almost,...
[08:14] <tsume> GammaRay: Discrete Math class should help you
[08:14] <hondje> GammaRay: learning to program teaches a good chuck of discrete mathematics
[08:14] <disasm> hondje: i agree, i've been playing with scilab lately, its pretty fun, for my ee class (digital music) my group wrote a nintendo sound generating function and programmed in fight on state trumpet 1/2/3 parts to record it into audacity, and convert it to an mp3 with lame, we got the most geekiest project award ;-)
[08:15] <tsume> dab1: well these are grads earning thier doctors, can't they make a simple matlab script? :P its like, "damn you useless idiots"
[08:15] <hondje> disasm: I haven't used scilab much, I heard octave was more feature rich
[08:15] <hondje> But I have matlab both at work and home, so I use that usually
[08:15] <dab1> have they been shown how?
[08:15] <tsume> dab1: they want my friend to write _everything_ and they ask really stupid questions
[08:15] <disasm> hondje: never tried it, might have to give it a shot
[08:15] <tsume> dab1: yes! many times
[08:16] <eyequeue> tsume:  can't or won't?  there's a lot of laziness i've noted lately
[08:16] <hondje> disasm: octave can run most matlab scripts unmodified, pretty nice
[08:16] <dab1> tsume: well, something is wrong, please investigate;):)
[08:16] <tsume> eyequeue, dab1: they ask really stupid math questions, and my friend has to say, "Maybe you should go ask your professor to show you what it is"
[08:17] <eyequeue> tsume:  maybe you should sign up for remedial ... ;-)
[08:17] <dab1> tsume: please encourage asking questions, and communication, otherwise it will not work
[08:17] <tsume> I don't know why they're trying to use his backend if they don't understand the equations
[08:17] <hondje> nothing wrong with stupid questions
[08:17] <hondje> asking is attempting to understand
[08:17] <dab1> yup
[08:18] <tsume> eyequeue, dab1: they drive him nuts, he larts about then and drives me crazy.
[08:18] <tsume> &them
[08:18] <eyequeue> tsume:  sounds like he's burning out (i might too)
[08:18] <dab1> k, well, I know, I heard this one case with a buddy at school...
[08:18] <tsume> hondje: the questions they are are like asking a 8th grader, "what does 2 plus 2 equal?"
[08:19] <hondje> tsume: not their fault, really....if tey need to know something, and they don't, it's the fault of their prof for passing them
[08:19] <tsume> hondje: compared to the intellectual positions of the people.
[08:19] <dab1> he was thrown into pl/sql programming in 4th year CS...no sql experience, no knowledge about pl...he was asking the essentials, they brushed him off, he failed, they fired him,(prolly) havent heard from him for a while...)
[08:19] <dab1> maybe they should have done it earlier, as soon as he asked questions.
[08:19] <Myrtti> you know what would be great
[08:19] <dab1> Maybe they should have answered them.
[08:19] <dab1> The choice is yours.
[08:20] <Myrtti> a netinstall 1,44M and 128M image
[08:20] <tsume> maybe my friend needs to set up a web forum, because they are asking the same fucking questions over and over
[08:20] <hondje> I couldn't cut it in CS
[08:20] <dab1> tsume, very good idea.
[08:20] <tsume> hondje: you couldn't act like an arrgant sob? :P
[08:20] <hondje> 800,000,000 ways to do the same thing
[08:20] <dab1> and see if they are tryiong to learn by that...
[08:21] <tsume> dab1: it might help.
[08:21] <dab1> Myrtti: so? I dont get it?
[08:21] <tsume> *sigh*
[08:21] <hondje> tsume: nah, I'm king of arrogance :)
[08:21] <dab1> tsume: you will determine even that, if they are reading, and tryig to understand, they can ask subquestions
[08:21] <Myrtti> dab1: for floppy or 128M USB-memory installment
[08:21] <tsume> I'm changing my sleep schedule to master with the Alaskan Standard Time
[08:21] <hondje> dab1 speaks truth :)
[08:21] <dab1> there is a netinstall, right?
[08:22] <Myrtti> dab1: where
[08:22] <Seveas> Myrtti, there is a small netinstall image already
[08:22] <Myrtti> I did use the Google
[08:22] <tsume> dab1: well, I'd get ticked off too if I were asked by a long time unix admin what the command ls was for? ;)
[08:22] <dab1> Myrtti: I dunno, someone did it, who did a netinstall?
[08:23] <dab1> tsume: no math, or ever heard of matlab in 4th year.
[08:23] <dab1> 4 years done!
[08:23] <hondje> I think CS students would be well served if they took more an interest in math
[08:23] <hondje> I'm biased though
[08:23] <dab1> some kids dont cut it...
[08:23] <tsume> hondje: and English!
[08:23] <johan_> what do you mean dab1
[08:23] <Myrtti> tsume: native language
[08:23] <tsume> hondje: oh hell defintely english, they can't write worth a damn!
[08:23] <Seveas> Myrtti, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetbootInstallHowto
[08:23] <dab1> johan_: OT.
[08:23] <hondje> the simple fact is though, 50% of people are below avg, you can't expect everyone to be a superstar
[08:24] <tsume> Myrtti: well, English is the easiest langauge...
[08:24] <Seveas> that contains a link to a netboot image
[08:24] <johan_> OT?
[08:24] <hondje> how old are you, tsume ?
[08:24] <tsume> 25
[08:24] <Myrtti> tsume: all hail the glorious universal and allmighty English!
[08:24] <hondje> ah, me too :)
[08:24] <Myrtti> Seveas: ok
[08:24] <hondje> You should know by now that people are like that everywhere
[08:25] <tsume> Myrtti: oh please, Japanese beats English any day.
[08:25] <Myrtti> tsume: Finnish.
[08:25] <tsume> hondje: I know :(
[08:25] <Myrtti> no, my point being
[08:25] <tyler_> how do i use windows programs, well what do i need anyway.
[08:25] <hondje> oh, lets have a language flamewar :-)
[08:25] <tsume> Myrtti: any langauge which isn't English is more advanced.
[08:25] <Myrtti> learning english is good. But learning it is difficult if you don't know your native language first
[08:25] <hondje> Myrtti: tonal languages are harder
[08:25] <dab1> tyler_: /join #cedega
[08:25] <tsume> Myrtti: Enlish is like BASIC. Japanese and others are like C++
[08:26] <tsume> *English
[08:26] <hondje> japanese is a simple language in my book
[08:26] <hondje> same structure for everything, few rules, etc
[08:26] <Myrtti> learning any foreign language is difficult if you don't know your native language first
[08:26] <Myrtti> to any degree
[08:26] <tsume> Myrtti: no its not.. I like learning langauges on my own, you don't need to know your native languages well.
[08:27] <Myrtti> my niece can't speak neither English nor Finnish properly
[08:27] <tsume> Myrtti: I don't exactly use the popular way of learning.
[08:27] <dab1> tsume, man.
[08:27] <tyler_> so what do i use..
[08:27] <tsume> Myrtti: I don't even use the popular way of performing math.
[08:28] <johan_> performing math?
[08:28] <dab1> did you try typing in: /join #cedega?
[08:28] <johan_> how do you perform math?
[08:28] <GammaRay> johan_: yes.. it makes terrible music but some people like it
[08:28] <tsume> my way of learning is like the way of using Trachtenburg's(sp?) math.
[08:28] <johan_> true GammaRay
[08:28] <tsume> trachtenberg
[08:28] <dab1> tsume: hire Razor-X.
[08:29] <tsume> I don't like using primary school math procedures, they are slow :)
[08:29] <johan_> primary school math procedure?
[08:29] <johan_> what's primary school?
[08:30] <dab1> elem
[08:30] <tsume> elementary?
[08:30] <tsume> yes thats the word americans use :)
[08:30] <dab1> maybe, dunno. You tell me,
[08:30] <johan_> math procedures in elementary school...like what?
[08:30] <dab1> yeah, and others that speak english
[08:30] <dab1> KarlosII: you sure?
[08:31] <dab1> addition...
[08:31] <KarlosII> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/06/2132219&tid=90&tid=117&tid=106
[08:31] <GammaRay> KarlosII: hell michigan, just like every year
[08:31] <dab1> all those nice ones.
[08:31] <tsume> johan_: when you multiply per say... 7938729837219873982173981273981273 x 11, or any number, you usually use the primary school method
[08:31] <KarlosII> GammaRay, heh
[08:31] <johan_> what is it?
[08:31] <buffbikedude> KarlosII, that's what I thought. I looked on /. and said, whoa, this is almost as big as Apple switching to Intel's.
[08:32] <KarlosII> no kidding
[08:32] <tsume> johan_: I just.. drop 3, 7 +3 then drop, etc etc as the great trachtenberg tells me to
[08:32] <Myrtti> they'd ought to be converted to Ubuntu love ;-)
[08:32] <GammaRay> buffbikedude: well are they? last I heard it was still just a rumor
[08:32] <tyler_> *sigh* how do i use windows games/programs
[08:32] <tsume> http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.trachten.html
[08:33] <KarlosII> Myrtti, the release will help ubuntu
[08:33] <dab1> tyler_: install cedega already.
[08:33] <johan_> i never learnt that one soundss highly inneficient to me
[08:33] <tsume> well, actually that link is garbage :) the book is much better
[08:33] <tsume> johan_: well, its faster
[08:33] <buffbikedude> oh yeah, steve announced it today
[08:33] <johan_> faster?
[08:34] <tsume> johan_: I usually don't think much about how I'm performing the math
[08:34] <tsume> johan_: You'd need to learn it and experience for yourself.
[08:34] <GammaRay> buffbikedude: well I'm happy for them.
[08:34] <johan_> i like the fact that you use the word performing
[08:35] <johan_> learn what?
[08:35] <tsume> johan_: performance related :)
[08:35] <buffbikedude> btw, I just switched from gentoo to ubuntu. I was ready for a distribution that Just Works (tm). I also switched from KDE to Gnome because I don't like QT's licensing model.
[08:35] <caffinated> is there a more complete AMD64 repository for ubuntu?
[08:35] <caffinated> the current one is missing a whole lot
[08:35] <tsume> johan_: I deleted all information dealing with the primary school method
[08:36] <KarlosII> buffbikedude, hehehe I switch from same distro and desktop as you did except for somewhat diff reasons
[08:36] <GammaRay> buffbikedude: you don't like that it's GPL?
[08:36] <johan_> its hard to understand tsume
[08:36] <GammaRay> (rather than lgpl)
[08:36] <tsume> johan_: Speed math is like speed reading. For the mind, not the eyes ;)
[08:36] <johan_> do you do high level math or only 'primary school math'
[08:37] <tsume> johan_: both
[08:37] <buffbikedude> GammaRay, yeah, well people can argue all they want. But there is a company's interests behind it and they will defend their turf, possibly even going beyond the spirit of the license. IMO their turf is too large.
[08:37] <johan_> what type of high-level math
[08:37] <dab1> nuts man, Im installing debian now...
[08:38] <tsume> johan_: right now I'm stuck in a 3d engine design task :D I currently sleep with math
[08:38] <buffbikedude> but I use gnome apps mostly anyway
[08:38] <nemik> so i'm in server terminal, how would i get something from a CDROM?
[08:38] <nemik> mount /mnt/cdrom doesn't work
[08:38] <Razor-X> why is tan unbounded?
[08:38] <caffinated> nemik: mount /media/cdrom
[08:38] <Kingmilo> hey guys, does ubuntu come loaded with CD Burning Software?
[08:38] <Razor-X> errr, ahh
[08:38] <Razor-X> wrong channel
[08:38] <buffbikedude> KarlosII, any regrets since the switch?
[08:38] <Razor-X> ;)
[08:38] <bob2> Kingmilo: but of course
[08:38] <johan_> where does high-level math enter in 3d engine design
[08:38] <Razor-X> sorry sorry, wrong screen
[08:38] <Razor-X> ;)
[08:39] <KarlosII> buffbikedude, nope alll though the multimedia handling is still tricky
[08:39] <Kingmilo> bob2, great :) Could you share the app name with me sir? :)
[08:39] <nemik> thanks caffinated!
[08:39] <caffinated> :)
[08:39] <KarlosII> buffbikedude, in fact I have my aunt and mother on it too now
[08:39] <bob2> Kingmilo: the file manager can burn cds
[08:39] <tsume> oh my eyes, words are blending together
[08:39] <KarlosII> buffbikedude, I would like to see nxclient and nxserver as part of the mainstream of ubuntu
[08:39] <caffinated> so, nobody here using ubuntu-amd64 (hoary) ?
[08:39] <ndowens> is it wrong to use debian packages in ubuntu, like have debian has a apt resp
[08:40] <bob2> caffinated: er, what is it missing?
[08:40] <bob2> ndowens: yes
[08:40] <johan_> here caffinated
[08:40] <caffinated> bob2: ndiswrapper
[08:40] <johan_> so far so good
[08:40] <bob2> caffinated: so build it yourself
[08:40] <bob2> caffinated: if you can actually find amd64 windows binary drivers
[08:40] <tsume> somebody slap me awake! :P
[08:40] <johan_> i still dont know what type of math you do tsume
[08:40] <ndowens> bob2 why is that, figured since it is based on deb, it should be alright
[08:40] <disasm> caffinated: i am
[08:40] <bob2> ndowens: because Debian packages are built to work in Debian, which has different package versions to ubuntu
[08:40] <caffinated> bob2: well, it's kinda turning my box in to a paperweight.
[08:40] <ndowens> o ok
[08:41] <buffbikedude> oh, and if anyone still isn't convinced Apple is switching to Intel, the LA times has an article on it: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-060605apple_wr,0,973725.story?coll=la-home-headlines
[08:41] <bob2> caffinated: do you have a amd64 windows binary driver for your card?
[08:41] <disasm> caffinated: whats the problem?
[08:41] <caffinated> bob2: i'm not sure, i'd have to check.  does it really matter?
[08:41] <bob2> caffinated: yes
[08:41] <buffbikedude> I should post that to /. Two days ago some guy said he'd eat is hat if Apple switches to x86 anytime soon.
[08:41] <bob2> buffbikedude: er, it was on slashdot yesterday
[08:41] <KarlosII> buffbikedude, ahahaah
[08:42] <KarlosII> buffbikedude, it's agreat business decision, but I woudl have preferred they switch to amd
[08:42] <KarlosII> howerver ppc is better
[08:42] <GammaRay> buffbikedude: as far as I'm concerned, they have just switched to a lower cost and better supported part. And they have tons of suppliers to choose from also.
[08:43] <buffbikedude> yeah, me too, except I am happy for my uncle who works for Intel
[08:43] <GammaRay> KarlosII: intel today, amd tomarrow.. easy switch
[08:43] <GammaRay> hell they could ship both
[08:43] <KarlosII> freak don't mix ubuntu with debian ppl
[08:43] <dab1> use ubuntu
[08:43] <KarlosII> GammaRay, ture
[08:43] <KarlosII> true
[08:43] <KarlosII> intell sucks molasses inthe 64 bit department
[08:44] <Nic> the only problem is the fact that intel is hell bent on trusted computing technologies
[08:44] <Nic> thats the way i see it anywya
[08:44] <buffbikedude> GammaRay, yeah. I wonder if any decision-makers at Nintendo, Sony, or MS are regretting their decision to go with PPC.
[08:44] <KarlosII> amd has the lead in the 64 bit market by far
[08:44] <KarlosII> easy enought o hack trusted computing
[08:45] <Nic> the biggest problem is not the technology, its the hands that the technology resides in
[08:45] <Nic> all the corporations i DONT trust :P
[08:46] <Jormundgand> Trusted computing (Microsoft flavour) was my initial push factor from Windows.
[08:46] <tsume> omg
[08:46] <tsume> does anyone have some extra 'imagination' for my frined? :P
[08:47] <tsume> some people can't draw or think of monsters well.
[08:47] <dab1> M$
[08:47] <disasm> KarlosII: is that in the desktop market or both desktop and server? I thought ibm lead the server 64 bit market
[08:48] <KarlosII> disasm, not for long
[08:48] <tsume> johan_: just the t...
[08:48] <tsume> omg a giant flying roach
[08:48] <johan_> i dont get it tsume
[08:49] <IIIEars> .
[08:49] <tsume> johan_: just the the usual vector and matric formulas
[08:49] <tsume> brb
[08:49] <disasm> KarlosII: i dunno, i think if ibm and novell continue to cooperate, i think they have a chance at taking the major enterprise market away from ms with linux
[08:49] <tsume> get the shoe! :P
[08:49] <KarlosII> verry true
[08:49] <Nic> disasm, sounds good to me :D
[08:49] <johan_> example of a matrix formula?
[08:49] <disasm> KarlosII: ibm hardware with novell support and the solid stability of linux
[08:50] <IIIEars> M$ is horribly expensive.
[08:50] <disasm> KarlosII: and the truth is whoever has the commercial/enterprise market will draw the desktops (especially software market, people get something similiar to what they have at the office in their homes)
[08:50] <KarlosII> heh
[08:51] <tsume> johan_: its just transposing, inversing, etc. creating algorithms for a engine
[08:51] <buffbikedude> now it's time to screw up my new configuration by installing vmware :)
[08:51] <tsume> *shrug* I bet the flying bug is going to land on me while I'm sleeping
[08:51] <johan_> 'algorithms for a engine'?
[08:52] <IIIEars> many eons ago Sun Unix Was selling for 5k - hm. should M$ be worried?
[08:52] <tsume> johan_: 3d engine
[08:52] <tsume> johan_: grunt work :P feels like it anyway
[08:52] <johan_> its really hard to understand what you do tsume
[08:52] <disasm> IIIEars: exactly, and with a corporate front pushing linux, with novell's product underlying it, it's something corporations fell they can "trust" which could lead into big changes. I think ibm got out of the x86 market, because they know chasing consumers with cheaper than dirt hardward wasn't profitable.
[08:52] <tsume> johan_: sorry, I'm in a funny thinking mode right now.
[08:52] <johan_> what is a 3d engine, what do you do
[08:53] <johan_> i can see that
[08:53] <tsume> johan_: 3d engine... displays 3d objects from data collected
[08:53] <tsume> johan_: come on now. Everyone knows what a 3d engine is :)
[08:53] <johan_> sorry
[08:53] <nemik> i get formail not found, and it is not in the universe. it was there in regular install, but not is server! what do i do?
[08:53] <tsume> johan_: you are kidding me :)
[08:54] <johan_> i think i'm beginning to understand
[08:54] <bob2> nemik: er, install it? it's in the procmail package.
[08:54] <nemik> i did apt-get install formail and it says not found
[08:54] <nemik> ahhh so apt-get install procmail ?
[08:54] <Jormundgand> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=202605
[08:54] <tsume> johan_: a 3d engine is what makes the graphics in games work.
[08:54] <IIIEars> disasm - yep $299.00 2.9ghz taiwanese consumer PC imports - the writing is on the wall for servers.
[08:54] <johan_> its computer stuff not engineering
[08:54] <tsume> johan_: this isn't for a game, but thats a popular example.
[08:54] <tyler_> grrr
[08:54] <tsume> johan_: well, yes..
[08:55] <tyler_> whats that server again
[08:55] <tyler_> so how i use windows programs
[08:55] <johan_> i bet thats hard
[08:55] <Chislon> i just got a konquereror kde crash message up, what do i do?
[08:55] <tyler_> ..
[08:56] <bob2> Chislon: #kubuntu might be a better place to ask
[08:56] <Choubaka> tyler_: I was trying to help you you know :P
[08:56] <tyler_> i know
[08:56] <tyler_> it went off
[08:56] <Chislon> bob2, no response there yet
[08:56] <tsume> johan_: come on. You are tarnishing the old EE/CS joke :) "In CS, you learn how to program. In EE, you are expected to know how to program"
[08:56] <tyler_> whats channal again
[08:56] <Chislon> bob2, thank you though
[08:56] <johan_> tyler_ start menu and then program files
[08:56] <bob2> Chislon: ah, ok
[08:56] <bob2> Chislon: np
[08:56] <Choubaka> Well, I'll just tell you here.
[08:56] <disasm> [1057.pts-0.gentux detached.] 
[08:56] <johan_> unless you installed them elsewhere the find the exe file and just click it twice
[08:56] <Choubaka> johan_: he needs to enable universe
[08:56] <Rayen16> Hi, could somebody tell me the difference between Hoary and Warty?
[08:56] <tsume> disasm: erm.
[08:57] <bob2> Rayen16: warty is the previous stable release of ubuntu, from october 2004.  hoary is the current release, from april this year.
[08:57] <tsume> okay, I think +3 hours is enough time past my time for readjusting schedule to reduce jet lag :)
[08:58] <IIIEars> Rayen - Hoary is very good.
[08:58] <Rayen16> Hoary is stable?
[08:58] <tsume> Rayen16: affirmative
[08:58] <johan_> oyasumi nasai tsume
[09:00] <drummer87> hi, can someone help me? my CPU is working it's but off for no reason
[09:00] <IIIEars> Rayen16 - If you enjoy configuring hardware with a new linux install you will hate Hoary it finds nearly everything. - grin
[09:00] <Nic> what?
[09:00] <drummer87> it looks like X, update-notifier and notification-area-applet are hogging the CPU but for no visible reason
[09:01] <Nic> ohh
[09:01] <Nic> but = butt
[09:01] <Nic> now i get you
[09:01] <Nic> lol
[09:01] <drummer87> lol sry
[09:01] <Nic> did u run top?
[09:01] <drummer87> what's top?
[09:01] <Rayen16> IIIEars so it also will detect things which Gentoo doesn't detect like my wireless keyboard/mouse and bluetooth?
[09:02] <IIIEars> top is a system process monitor
[09:02] <Nic> type top into a term window
[09:02] <johan_> i cant get my wireless to work with heary
[09:02] <IIIEars> Rayen - i don't have those devices - :x
[09:02] <Nic> and then just kill whatever is sucking up cpu :P
[09:03] <drummer87> i don't want to kill x though
[09:03] <IIIEars> It will detect everything USB, Printers and Hard Drives.
[09:04] <drummer87> hmm
[09:04] <drummer87> killed gnome-panel and that fixed everything
[09:04] <drummer87> it often gives me problems
[09:04] <drummer87> wierd though
[09:05] <drummer87> thanks anyway
[09:06] <IIIEars> Anyone here use Wireless keyboards, Bluetooth devices? How well were they detected?
[09:07] <jme> Hello
[09:09] <thechitowncubs> gentoo is becoming a pain in the ass
[09:12] <buffbikedude> thechitowncubs, yeah, it is. I installed subversion and it gave me a relocation error. wtf?
[09:12] <caffinated> bob2: looks like there's no amd64 driver;  would you be able to make a suggestion as to a good replacement?  I'm not opposed to replacing this card.
[09:12] <buffbikedude> it is still neat technology, and good for many uses, especially porting to new platforms, though.
[09:13] <tyler_> how do i install wine
[09:14] <johan_> apt-get install wine
[09:14] <buffbikedude> is there any way I can mount my fat32 drive in the GUI?
[09:14] <Choubaka> Tyler's problem is a bit more than just how to install wine. :/ When he tries to do it, apt says "wine has no install candidate". Nonetheless it seems his sources are allright. I don't know what could be the problem.
[09:15] <johan_> oh
[09:15] <tyler_> nope, still not working, i redownloaded it =/
[09:16] <tyler_> no canadate......why does this only happen to me =/
[09:16] <johan_> wine is a last resort tyler_
[09:16] <bob2> caffinated: intel cards work well, as do prism and prism54 ones
[09:17] <johan_> you dont use that often anyways
[09:17] <johan_> maybe try cross-over tyler_
[09:17] <caffinated> bob2: ok, i'll keep that in mind.  I was thinking about going the extra mile and just picking up cisco hardware.  looks like it's supported in the hardware list.
[09:18] <bob2> tyler_: paste the ouput of "apt-cache policy wine" to #flood
[09:18] <caffinated> this broadcom crap angers me
[09:18] <nbvk> if i backup my thunderbird emails in windows, would they work with thunderbird for linux?
[09:18] <Xyc0> Um how do I log in as admin?
[09:18] <hansen_> Hi...
[09:18] <Nic> nbvk, yes
[09:18] <nbvk> Nic, ok thanks
[09:19] <Xyc0> Xyc0
[09:19] <johan_>  /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-amd64-generic/build: No such file or directory
[09:19] <hansen_> How to get nautilus recognice nfs at hoary?
[09:19] <johan_> i got that from make
[09:19] <Xyc0> Xyc0:
[09:19] <bob2> johan_: what are you trying to do?
[09:19] <johan_> i dont know what to change
[09:20] <bob2> Xyc0: "login as admin"?
[09:20] <Xyc0> Im just joking, im showing a friends how to get help here
[09:20] <johan_> compile for a wifi asus cartd
[09:20] <Xyc0> thanks bob2
[09:20] <bob2> johan_: what chipset does it use?
[09:23] <bob2> tyler_: hello?
[09:23] <johan_> not sure bob2...its an onboard wan
[09:24] <bob2> there's no manual or anything?
[09:24] <johan_> yes i have it
[09:24] <bob2> it doesn't tell you?
[09:24] <johan_> i havent seen it
[09:25] <joachim_> bonjour a tous
[09:25] <johan_> yo mo man
[09:26] <johan_> you can talk here tyler_
[09:26] <tyler_> lol
[09:27] <Pallas_> #geocaching
[09:27] <mht> Good day...
[09:27] <johan_> wine and cross-over should not be used on a regular basis
[09:28] <tyler_> right. then what can i use.
[09:28] <johan_> do gamer use linux
[09:28] <tyler_> what.
[09:28] <johan_> i dont play games
[09:28] <bob2> tyler_: can you do what I asked earlier?
[09:28] <bob2> it really would help to actually help you
[09:28] <Choubaka> johan_: Why not?
[09:28] <bob2> johan_: there's nothing wrong with using wine, please don't discourage people unless you have an actual reason
[09:28] <johan_> sorry
[09:29] <mht> can someone pointing me about access nfs through nautilus?
[09:29] <tyler_> well how DO i use wine..it wont let me install
[09:29] <johan_> i had bad experience with it and mdk 9.1
[09:29] <bob2> tyler_: so, do what I said and paste the output of "apt-cache policy wine" to #flood
[09:29] <johan_> must be better now
[09:29] <bob2> mht: I'd assume you just mount it normally
[09:29] <tyler_> oh
[09:29] <dooglus> chol: sorry I didn't answer you last night
[09:30] <dooglus> 19:45 < chol> dooglus, did you choose the new kernel while booting?
[09:30] <dooglus> 19:45 < chol> dooglus, i believe grub has savedefault in ubuntu and thus it booted you previous kernel
[09:30] <dooglus> but I went out.
[09:30] <dooglus> I did choose the new kernel when I booted, and I use lilo, not grub
[09:30] <mht> bob2: i browse with network:/// but only windows network appear :(
[09:30] <bob2> mht: right
[09:30] <bob2> mht: there's no way to discover nfs shares, afaik
[09:31] <wulfepup> nighters all
[09:31] <mht> nfs:/// din't work?
[09:31] <wulfepup> thanks for the assists to any that might still be here from earlier....
[09:31] <mht> at nautilus help there is nfs:/// protocol
[09:31] <bob2> mht: I don't see how it could
[09:32] <jambon_> anyone here use Xen?
[09:33] <KarlosII> where are codecs stored on ubuntu?
[09:33] <nemik> i just installed the server edition because the GUI would 'lose' permissions on some folders after a while and could not make new files and folders. is there any way to prevent this on the server version?
[09:33] <bob2> tyler_: and can you paste /etc/apt/sources.list?
[09:33] <bob2> KarlosII: "codecs"? you mean "windows dlls"?
[09:33] <tyler_> ?
[09:33] <KarlosII> ie mplyaer
[09:33] <benplaut> jambon_: i don't think anyone has gotten it to work on ubuntu... yet...
[09:33] <jambon_> reallY/
[09:33] <KarlosII> bob2 .so?
[09:33] <KarlosII> and dlls
[09:33] <jambon_> i'm reading a how -to
[09:33] <bob2> KarlosII: so you mean "audo and video libraries"? /usr/lib/.
[09:33] <KarlosII> ls /usr/lib
[09:33] <St0n3-C0l> /usr/lib/win32
[09:33] <jambon_> so it would make sense that someone got it to work
[09:34] <mht> bob2: at nautilus manual if we go to network there is unix network, if another linux exist
[09:34] <benplaut> jambon_: well... i guess they caught up :)   (last time a checked was a month ago)
[09:34] <bob2> tyler_: there's a file called /etc/apt/sources.list.  paste it to #flood.
[09:34] <jambon_> benplaut: http://cosi.clarkson.edu/knowledge/workshops/sp05/installingxen/xen-tutorial.html
[09:34] <jambon_> benplaut, that's what i'm reading
[09:34] <benplaut> ahh
[09:35] <KarlosII> bob2 yes
[09:35] <jambon_> benplaut, it's just that i have an initrd line that isn't mentioned
[09:35] <KarlosII> bob2 so if I took mplayer codecs and unpacked thme there then mplayer would see them?
[09:35] <jambon_> benplaut, and i don't have a module line
[09:35] <KarlosII> and any other audio/video player?
[09:35] <masuran> Hello
[09:35] <KarlosII> ie all-20050412.tar.bz2
[09:36] <bob2> KarlosII: by "mplayer codecs", you mean "windows dlls"?
[09:37] <KarlosII> okay sure whatever I need to fix my issues
[09:39] <jambon_> ok i'm officialy in way over my head
[09:39] <jambon_> again
[09:39] <jambon_> crap
[09:42] <jambon_> so anyone want to help me?
[09:44] <jambon_> or...not.....
[09:44] <jetscreamer> grub or lilo
[09:45] <bob2> xen isn't something for inexperienced users
[09:45] <jetscreamer> oh nm i know nothing of xen
[09:45] <jetscreamer> i don't even know what it is
[09:46] <jambon_> well maybe if you saw what i was looking at
[09:46] <jambon_> http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenFaq#head-1400a13255e3d079ec9ad4a34e20a1ebfc03cab4
[09:46] <jambon_> 4.7 ish
[09:46] <jambon_> and http://cosi.clarkson.edu/knowledge/workshops/sp05/installingxen/xen-tutorial.html
[09:47] <jambon_> and xen is kinda like vm ware
[09:47] <bob2> but not really
[09:47] <jambon_> exept with way better performance
[09:47] <bob2> if that's all you want, use uml
[09:47] <jambon_> ??
[09:47] <bob2> bearn in mind xen can only host netbsd and linux
[09:47] <jambon_> ya
[09:47] <jambon_> that's what the xp hd is for
[09:47] <bob2> it might be easier if you just tell us what your ultimate aim is
[09:47] <bob2> and maybe someone can suggest a more approriate tool
[09:47] <jambon_> until pacifica and vanderpool come out
[09:48] <jambon_> i just wanted to try it out
[09:48] <jambon_> it looked really interesting
[09:48] <bob2> it is
[09:48] <jambon_> and i'm kinda crazy
[09:48] <bob2> but it's not for the fainthearted
[09:48] <bob2> and it requires an intermediate amount of existing linux knowledge
[09:48] <jambon_> ya i'm not really that faint
[09:48] <bob2> for instance, you will need to build two different and new kernels
[09:48] <jambon_> ???
[09:49] <jambon_> um
[09:49] <bob2> yes, exactly
[09:49] <jambon_> maybe i'll just see if suse 9.3 will do it
[09:50] <bob2> ok
[09:50] <jambon_> it comes with xen
[09:50] <bob2> you'll presumably have to do the same thing there
[09:50] <bob2> oh, ok
[09:50] <jambon_> ya
[09:50] <bob2> when you understand it better, you can try it on ubuntu again
[09:50] <jambon_> ya
[09:50] <jambon_> so far i just don't get what to do with my initrd line
[09:50] <jambon_> and the faq isn't too clear about it
[09:52] <ja> hi I've found lynx at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/lynx/ but it's not in the packages list at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/ Packages.gz where else can I find out what it's dependencies are? (I need to find them and get them mamualy because the ubuntu box can connect to the net itself)
[09:52] <bob2> it's in universe
[09:52] <bob2> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/universe/main/binary-i386/
[09:52] <djp> does anyone here know if the multisync evoultion plugin that is provided in the hoary repos actually works?
[09:53] <ja> thanks
[09:54] <jetscreamer> well normally the initrd line points at either /boot/initrd-whatever, or a symlink, /initrd.img, that points at it
[09:54] <jetscreamer> no idea aobut xen
[09:55] <jambon_> ya
[09:55] <johan_> firefox crashes repeatedly
[09:55] <jambon_> did you see the site with the initrd faq on it?
[09:56] <johan_> i think it crashes when a site uses flash
[09:56] <bob2> the flash plugin is buggy like that
[09:56] <jambon_> it would make sense that if you set a fox on fire and then repeatedly flash it that it might occassionally crash
[09:57] <jetscreamer> looks kinda straightforward to me, jambon_
[09:58] <jambon_> ya i'm having a streak of retardation
[09:58] <johan_> hummm, it does reapeatedly crash
[09:58] <jambon_> jetscreamer,  so how would i go about it?
[09:58] <johan_> my 32bit one was fine i might switch
[09:59] <Methynutnut> naw come on, anyone knows if you flash an animal it freezes :P
[09:59] <jetscreamer> paste this under something in /boot/grub/menu.lst  module /boot/my_initrd.gz  but i know nothing much of grub, and nothing of xen
[09:59] <djp> does anyone here know if the multisync evoultion plugin that is provided in the hoary repos actually works?
[09:59] <jetscreamer> or whatever my initrd image would be called
[09:59] <jambon_> initrd		/boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-386
[09:59] <jetscreamer> which is probably in /boot
[09:59] <jambon_> that's my line as it is now
[10:00] <jetscreamer> module /boot/initblah imo,
[10:00] <jetscreamer> no idea
[10:00] <jambon_> and it supposedly needs to be something along the same lines exept witha xenu in it
[10:00] <jetscreamer> (trying to specify that these are guesses)
[10:00] <jambon_> and i can't find any Xenu looking files it that directory
[10:01] <jetscreamer> no
[10:01] <jetscreamer> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/readmes/user/user.html#SECTION02240000000000000000
[10:01] <corza> who can help me out with my Video Card - nvidia
[10:01] <jetscreamer> nv module
[10:01] <la_binerie> it that directory
[10:01] <bob2> corza: what did you do this time?
[10:01] <corza> bob2: nothing i fixed everything :
[10:01] <corza> :P
[10:02] <corza> but i need 3d accelleration to get working
[10:02] <HrdwrBoB> corza: it's all in the wiki
[10:02] <corza> i tried what it said and changing nv to nvidia makes my screen worse
[10:02] <corza> very blurry & dark almost impossible to see
[10:03] <KarlosII> ah freak
[10:03] <jetscreamer> does breezy support saving configs to hd when run as a live cd
[10:03] <jetscreamer> err
[10:03] <corza> a guy helped me out last night and he couldnt work it out so yeah
[10:03] <jetscreamer> live dvd
[10:04] <HrdwrBoB> corza: what video card
[10:05] <corza> HrdwrBoB: i'm using a Nvidia 6200 256mb
[10:05] <johntramp> hi can I use debian mirrors in ubuntu?
[10:05] <jambon_> riiiiiight
[10:05] <jetscreamer> what does ubuntu do about nvidia support
[10:05] <jambon_> meesa tink me not gettin this tongiht
[10:05] <jambon_> hokay
[10:06] <jetscreamer> looks to me like you just add module /path/to/initrd.img under the xen kernel stanza
[10:06] <jetscreamer> but i know nothing
[10:06] <johntramp> anyone?
[10:06] <ja> bob2: it's not there either :( nor in multiverse or restricted.  Do you have any other ideas? (where to find the dependancies for lynx)
[10:06] <jetscreamer> try it and let me know
[10:07] <bob2> ja: er, lynx is in universe
[10:07] <jetscreamer> i mean try mixing the sources and let me know
[10:07] <bob2> ja: er, no, main
[10:07] <ja> well grep 'lynx' Eigene\ Downloads/Packages.gz didn't find it in either
[10:08] <bob2> well
[10:08] <bob2> yes
[10:08] <bob2> it's gzip'd
[10:08] <bob2> use zgrep
[10:10] <johntramp> :(
[10:10] <bob2> tyler_: btw, do keep discussion in the channel
[10:10] <bob2> tyler_: please stop /msg'ing me
[10:11] <ja> bob2 Yay! thanks, I'd forgotten about that!
[10:11] <bob2> tyler_: please?
[10:12] <emil_> hi, I've downloaded a new keymap. where should I put it to make it appear among the other keyboard layouts and be able to activate it?
[10:13] <corza> hmmmmm
[10:13] <la_binerie> i feel awkward when people /msg me
[10:13] <la_binerie> why do they do that...
[10:16] <corza> my 3d accelleration isnt working
[10:17] <benplaut> la_binerie: it gives them a sense of power!  :)
[10:17] <magneto> wassup hey anyone know a way to set the $RUNLEVEL variable or subtract the "N " before the runlevel when running the runlevel command?
[10:17] <bob2> what are you trying to do?
[10:17] <la_binerie> really?
[10:18] <magneto> had a script i used to use in warty but $RUNLEVEL doesn't exist anymore
[10:18] <Hajuu> Hey there
[10:18] <Hajuu> How are USB ports addressed through linux?
[10:18] <Hajuu> eg.. for using my scanner
[10:18] <bob2> magneto: runlevele | awk '{ print $2 }'
[10:18] <bob2> Hajuu: depends on the device
[10:19] <Hajuu> well for my scanner say...
[10:20] <magneto> thanks bob i was trying sed to no avail
[10:20] <stars> when i right click and go to properties on a single mp3 it crashes nautilus yet i can set permission on the folder containing the mp3 files. is this due to incoorect permissions on the folder?
[10:20] <bob2> magneto: awk's awesome for those sort of things
[10:21] <corza> does anyone know how to initalise 3D  properly?
[10:21] <bob2> corza: the wiki page everyone has pointed you at explains everything you need to do
[10:21] <tyler_> i installed wine....nothing thats windows STILL wont work..
[10:21] <magneto> im so damn lazy i havent begun to tap into things like awk like I should- so print $2 means print the second item?
[10:22] <bob2> tyler_: what's your native language, btw?
[10:22] <corza> bob2: i have done everything in the wiki page it still does not work
[10:22] <bob2> magneto: yes
[10:22] <tyler_> english
[10:22] <bob2> magneto: splitting on spaces
[10:22] <bob2> corza: "does not work" = ?
[10:22] <magneto> cool i have to read the man
[10:22] <bob2> tyler_: does notepad?
[10:22] <tyler_> donno. i dont got notepad here.
[10:22] <corza> bob2: but i cannot get sudo nvidia-glx-config enable to work
[10:23] <la_binerie> using wine for notepad is brilliant
[10:23] <magneto> thanks much bob2 - feel good that i learned something that i can actually use
[10:23] <corza> it does not allow me to use 3D for games
[10:23] <bob2> corza: define "to work"...it doesn't run?  it segfaults?  it sets fire to your house?
[10:23] <la_binerie> notepad is such an amazing editor
[10:23] <bob2> la_binerie: it's a good test that wine is actually installed
[10:23] <la_binerie> right
[10:24] <tyler_> i dont got notepad here thou..
[10:24] <corza> bob2: it will not open my 3D game (Guild Wars) it says 3d init failure and this also happens when i do glx gears
[10:24] <tyler_> can somone send me it?
[10:24] <corza> glxgears
[10:24] <corza> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[10:24] <corza> glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[10:24] <bob2> corza: so, ignore that
[10:24] <la_binerie> its a must have tyler_
[10:24] <bob2> corza: you followed all the steps in the wiki page?
[10:24] <corza> bob2: except for one because it wouldnt let me do it
[10:24] <corza> this is the other errors i have got cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep NVIDIA
[10:24] <corza> (**) |   |-->Device "NVIDIA Corporation NV40? [Unknown nVidia Card] "
[10:24] <corza> (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
[10:24] <corza> (II) NV: driver for NVIDIA chipsets: RIVA 128, RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT2,
[10:24] <corza> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)
[10:25] <redrum> hey all
[10:25] <bob2> corza: dude
[10:25] <keffo> If I have a radeon 9800pro, is there any good/hidden settings to add to my xorg-config (or maybe cedega-config)
[10:25] <bob2> corza: think about it
[10:25] <keffo> just tell me
[10:25] <keffo> ;P
[10:25] <HrdwrBoB> corza: your card is not supported yet
[10:25] <corza> bob2: think about what
[10:25] <bob2> corza: we're talking to you via irc.  we cannoy see your desktop.  we cannot see what you have done.  you have to TELL us.
[10:25] <corza> bob2: I did tell you!!
[10:25] <redrum> i screwed up my GRUB boot loader now I'm lost
[10:26] <bob2> corza: you can't say things like "except for one because it wouldnt let me do it" and expect us to be able to help
[10:26] <corza> i told you what i didnt do before
[10:26] <HrdwrBoB> bob2: except for me, I have surveillance cameras in most homes
[10:26] <bob2> corza: you need to tell us EXACTLY which step failed, and EXACTLY what error message it gave you
[10:26] <corza> bob2 i wasnt able to correctly enable "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" which i have already said
[10:26] <la_binerie> tyler dont /msg me here is good
[10:26] <bob2> corza: where did you show us the error message it gave you?
[10:26] <bob2> HrdwrBoB: but you're from melbourne, things work differently there
[10:27] <tyler_> can anyone give me notebook?
[10:27] <la_binerie> and i think you should not be worrying about getting notepad i was sarcastic
[10:27] <tyler_> lol i know, but its a good test.
[10:27] <corza> bob2: i sent what it says in PM
[10:27] <redrum> can someone point me to some literature on how to recover my PC after I somehow screwed up my GRUB?
[10:27] <bob2> corza: so
[10:27] <HrdwrBoB> corza: running that command essentially changes 'nv' to 'nvidia' in your xorg.conf
[10:28] <bob2> corza: it told you what the problem was, and told you how to fix it
[10:28] <mht> redrum: pick another distro, mount your root and do grub install
[10:28] <redrum> mht:  i'm a noob.  how do i mount my root
[10:29] <corza> HrdwrBoB: i realised that but when i done that to my xorg.conf file
[10:29] <mht> redrum: boot with knoppix or another livecd
[10:29] <corza> HrdwrBoB: it screwed my whole screen up it was really really faded and blury i was hardly able to see anything
[10:29] <redrum> i have knoppix
[10:29] <bob2> corza: the error message you pasted to me told you how to fix it
[10:29] <redrum> i also have gentoo
[10:30] <corza> bob2: yes i just fixed it then
[10:30] <bob2> redrum: do you know what the "chroot" command does?
[10:30] <corza> bob2: i just realised i'm going to restart x brb
[10:30] <redrum> isn't that to login as root?
[10:30] <bob2> no
[10:31] <la_binerie> i got a hard time with flash and firefox
[10:31] <bob2> redrum: do you know how to mount your ubuntu root partition from knoppix or gentoo?
[10:31] <la_binerie> they always crash anyone succeded in making it stable
[10:31] <bob2> I had the same problem, leading me to remove flash entirely
[10:31] <la_binerie> well
[10:31] <kassetra> interesting.  flash/firefox has never once crashed on me.
[10:32] <redrum> no
[10:32] <la_binerie> me neither until i switch to 64bits
[10:32] <redrum> I just installed ubuntu from a hoary distro
[10:32] <la_binerie> switched
[10:32] <IIIEars>  .
[10:32] <kassetra> oh oh, with the 64bit kernel as well?
[10:33] <la_binerie> yes
[10:33] <mht> redrum: with the default install?
[10:33] <la_binerie> but everything works fine so far exept for firefox
[10:33] <redrum> bob2: so, i have gentoo live CD in the drive and booted, what do i do now?
[10:33] <kassetra> aaaah... yeah.  I would have stuck with 32bit mode.
[10:33] <redrum> mht: yeah
[10:34] <mjr> well, the free flashes aren't very good, and the official one is proprietary and not ported to amd64
[10:34] <bob2> redrum: you need to mount your ubuntu root partition
[10:34] <la_binerie> so what should we do mjr
[10:34] <mjr> hopefully fsf's sponsored gplflash will fix that sometime
[10:34] <redrum> ok how can i find out which partition is my root partition?
[10:34] <IIIEars> sudo is taunting me! - trying to write menu.lst but it won't save the file. Help! FAX aspirin.....
[10:34] <mht> redrum: so your hard disk just have an ubuntu?
[10:34] <mjr> la_binerie, complain to macromedia/adobe, support gplflash, and if you really need it, use a 32-bit firefox in a chroot (eg.) in the meantime
[10:35] <bob2> IIIEars: how did you run your editor?
[10:35] <IIIEars> sudo
[10:35] <la_binerie> right
[10:35] <bob2> IIIEars: that's all?
[10:35] <redrum> mht: i think so - i just reformatted with the ubuntu install - i had grub on it before, but was trying to do a clean install with only 1 OS
[10:35] <IIIEars> uhoh - must of missed something.
[10:36] <corza> well that done EXACTLY the same thing
[10:36] <corza> which was.. no help what so ever
[10:36] <bob2> corza: so, you're being too vague again
[10:36] <bob2> corza: is your xorg.conf correct now?
[10:36] <dhewg> is there a ubuntu package for the iptables patch-o-matic thing?
[10:36] <IIIEars> kate, nano, and lot's of cursing! @#$%^ - grin
[10:36] <dhewg> im looking for that ipp2p iptables module
[10:37] <corza> bob2: it was but as i had said before.. that script (by changing it to nvidia) screws my whole GUI.. Its EXTREMELY faded and VERY blury.. Barely any colour what so ever if any
[10:37] <mht> redrum: with knoppix, go to tty1 (ctrl-alt-f1), and what fdisk say (fdisk -l)
[10:37] <bob2> corza: what video card do you have?
[10:37] <corza> Nvidia 6200 (256mb)
[10:38] <IIIEars> okay. (sigh) - Thanks
[10:38] <MrDataNet> How can I turn off daemons? Things start up automatically when I boot, and I would like to turn them off, but I have no idea how. I think they're daemons. I tried an uninstall of Zope, and it is now only partially uninstalled. I think daemons are the problem? Someone put a bug note here: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/tasks/651/
[10:39] <bob2> MrDataNet: zope being broken shouldn't affect anything else.
[10:39] <MrDataNet> I think I now have a partial uninstall. I haven't restarted the machine.
[10:39] <bob2> MrDataNet: anyway, if your original question is "How do I stop some daemons running on boot?", just delete the S symlinks from /etc/rc2.d/
[10:39] <MrDataNet> I don't want it broken, though? I'd like to uninstall, then reinstall the latest version from Zope's Web site.
[10:39] <dhewg> MrDataNet: update-rc.d
[10:40] <dhewg> for init.d symlinks
[10:41] <MrDataNet> processing...processing
[10:41] <corza> anyone good with Nvidia ?? 3d??
[10:41] <tyler_> hey, i made a pention on my harddrive, is there a way to make that pention bigger if i have the space?
[10:42] <mht> corza: I do, and tuxracer run smoothly
[10:42] <corza> mht: i dont know what tuxracer is but  i need help because it wont let me enable 3d
[10:43] <la_binerie> tux racer is coooool
[10:43] <corza> mht: ok tuxracer is a game
[10:43] <tyler_> ?
[10:43] <la_binerie> 3d game
[10:43] <mht> corza: i'm reconfiguring with dpkg
[10:43] <corza> mht: but yeah i'm trying to activate 3d to play Guild Wars
[10:43] <la_binerie> pention???
[10:44] <MrDataNet> tyler_: I believe I know the answer to that. If pention - partition
[10:44] <corza> i have cedega installed and well when i load it it says 3d-init-failure
[10:44] <tyler_> yea
[10:44] <la_binerie> nice MrDataNet
[10:44] <corza> and all the signs say that my 3d is not installed i have tried on wiki & that just makes it worse if u could help me in a minute i just gotta have dinner
[10:44] <tyler_> i didint know what i was doing when i installed ubuntu and made it a little TO small..
[10:44] <mht> corza: dunno that game, i try with tuxracer and chromium
[10:45] <mht> corza: more indication: look at screensaver, try modul that required 3d and how much fps..
[10:46] <redrum> mht: ok i got knoppix up and fdisk -l output
[10:46] <mht> redrum: what it said?
[10:46] <Ubuntian> hello! there is something really annoying when I click in a window in Firefox the window moves a bit and then u end up clicking somewhere else, is there a way to fix this?
[10:47] <redrum> mht: says /dev/sda1 is my boot partition
[10:47] <la_binerie> which firefox do you use
[10:47] <mht> redrum: sda1? you use scasi hard disk?
[10:48] <Ubuntian> la_binerie, 1.0.2
[10:48] <mht> redrum: another line?
[10:48] <redrum> mht: i have sata
[10:48] <la_binerie> me too
[10:48] <la_binerie> mine crashes
[10:48] <MrDataNet> tyler_: Try QtParted to repartition. I highly recommend you use the System Rescue CD-ROM at http://www.sysresccd.org/ , which contains QtParted.
[10:49] <scanwinder> how do i get my tv tuner card to work in xawtv?......its a Winfast tv 2000 xp deluxe.................when i run scantv, it says vbi: open failed [/dev/vbi] 
[10:49] <Ubuntian> la_binerie, firefox crashes?
[10:49] <tyler_> thks
[10:49] <MrDataNet> tyler_: NP.
[10:49] <la_binerie> it just close when i go to a site that uses flash
[10:49] <la_binerie> closes
[10:50] <mht> redrum: ok, go to /mnt (cd /mnt), create temporary dir (mkdir tmp), mount that partition (mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/tmp)
[10:50] <Ubuntian> la_binerie, did u install the flash player plugin for firefox?
[10:50] <tyler_> which one i download
[10:50] <mht> redrum: list that partition (ls /mnt/tmp), do you see grub directory?
[10:50] <la_binerie> yep
[10:50] <tyler_> nv,
[10:51] <HostingGeek> Ohh shoot
[10:51] <redrum> mht: no grub directory
[10:51] <HostingGeek> I stayed in this channel while I was away
[10:51] <HostingGeek> and now have 30k lines of scroll back
[10:51] <jfk303> what software can I use for .ace files?
[10:51] <HostingGeek> cya all
[10:51] <mht> redrum: boot directory?
[10:51] <redrum> mht: yes
[10:52] <HostingGeek> jfk303: Use filetype to find out
[10:52] <scanwinder> jfk303, winace
[10:52] <HostingGeek> jfk303: if its known then it will tell you
[10:52] <HostingGeek> cya
[10:52] <tyler_> Q: How to install Multimedia Codecs?
[10:52] <tyler_>    1. Read General Notes
[10:52] <tyler_>    2. Read How to add extra repositories?
[10:52] <tyler_>    3.
[10:52] <tyler_> sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[10:52] <tyler_> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[10:52] <tyler_> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-lame
[10:52] <tyler_> sudo apt-get install lame
[10:52] <tyler_> sudo apt-get install sox
[10:52] <tyler_> sudo apt-get install ffmpeg
[10:52] <tyler_> sudo apt-get install mjpegtools
[10:53] <tyler_> sudo apt-get install vorbis-tools
[10:53] <tyler_> gst-register-0.8
[10:53] <tyler_> it wont let me install it
[10:53] <tyler_> Multimedia codecs.
[10:53] <mht> redrum: ok, change root directory to that partition (chroot /mnt/tmp) and do grub install (grub-install), what that message?
[10:53] <la_binerie> great tyler_
[10:53] <bob2> tyler_: please don't paste things in here
[10:54] <tyler_> sry.
[10:54] <bob2> er
[10:54] <Ubuntian> yes it's very very very annoying :-)
[10:54] <redrum> mht: when i typed 'chroot /mnt/tmp' i got an error: chroot:  cannot run command '/bin/sh': Exec format error
[10:55] <jfk303> Hosting Geek, whats filetype?
[10:55] <bob2> redrum: is this an amd64 machine, perchance?
[10:55] <redrum> yes
[10:55] <bob2> and you're booting an i386 rescue disk?
[10:55] <bob2> but your installed system is amd64?
[10:55] <redrum> no
[10:55] <sion-x> ls
[10:56] <sion-x> ls
[10:56] <tauko> hello
[10:56] <bob2> or vice-versa?
[10:56] <redrum> i'm pretty sure my knoppix is 64 also
[10:56] <bob2> I'm pretty sure knoppix is i386-only
[10:56] <redrum> you may be correct
[10:57] <la_binerie> perchance!
[10:57] <MrDataNet> Re startup daemons: bob2: is this /etc/rc2.d/ thing documented anywhere? I'm really trying, here. I've been researching this daemon thing since about 10 days ago. Shouldn't there be easy docs on this somewhere?
[10:57] <redrum> hmm should i be trying this with my gentoo livecd instead?
[10:57] <redrum> that one is amd64
[10:57] <bob2> yes
[10:58] <bob2> MrDataNet: it's how init systems work on all modern unix systems
[10:58] <bob2> MrDataNet: in ubunut/debian, the theory is that you don't install things if you don't want to run them
[10:59] <tauko> does anyone know how to force deleting partitions (i want to leave the hard disk with anything in, to be able to create a fresh ubuntu install)?
[10:59] <MyNameIsChris> (Hoary) Howdy, I am having difficulty building my fglrx module. Does anyone have any experience/success?
[10:59] <la_binerie>  with anything in!
[10:59] <bob2> tauko: you can delete it during the ubuntu install
[10:59] <corza> Need help with Nvidia Graphics anyone
[11:00] <bob2> corza: ask on the mailing list
[11:00] <bob2> corza: and include your X log, X config file and a list of everything you did
[11:00] <tauko> ubuntu install gives me a write error when its deleting the actual partitions
[11:00] <Amaranth> MyNameIsChris: fglrx comes with ubuntu, no need to build it yourself
[11:00] <redrum> ok i have gentoo LiveCD booted
[11:00] <bob2> corza: I assume you reinstalled since the other day when you broken it
[11:00] <benplaut> g'night everyone
[11:00] <corza> bob2: correct
[11:00] <mht> redrum: how about 'chroot /mnt/tmp /bin/bash'
[11:01] <MrDataNet> tauko: QtParted is great for working with partitions.
[11:01] <redrum> mht: i'm trying with gentoo now, bob2 says i can't do it with knoppix because it's i386 and i'm on amd64
[11:02] <MrDataNet> tauko: I used QtParted to partition. I highly recommend you check out System Rescue CD-ROM at http://www.sysresccd.org/ , which contains QtParted.
[11:02] <tauko> MrDataNet: this program tells me that the hard disk is read only, or that the partition is mounted (but it isnt...)
[11:02] <tauko> (btw, i'm currently on a live-cd)
[11:03] <MyNameIsChris> Amaranth, perhaps I should remove all ambiguity from my statement. Firstly, sorry. Secondly, I have my own kernel and need to install Ati's fglrx drivers
[11:03] <MyNameIsChris> 2.6.11
[11:03] <Amaranth> please tell me it isn't the 2.6.11 that's in hoary
[11:03] <MrDataNet> tauko: I was wondering whether you were using the partition you wanted to delete. Question answered. hm.
[11:04] <redrum> mht: i've just followed your instructions using gentoo, up to the 'grub-install'
[11:04] <Amaranth> MyNameIsChris: The 2.6.11 that's in hoary isn't really 2.6.11, it's a highly buggy development snapshot from sometime after 2.6.10 released.
[11:04] <MyNameIsChris> Amaranth, Source .deb from debian.org
[11:04] <mht> redrum: got success?
[11:04] <Amaranth> MyNameIsChris: Any particular reason you need 2.6.11?
[11:04] <redrum> mht: i just typed 'grub-install' and got the error "install_device not specified"
[11:05] <Jormundgand> redrum: `grub-install (hdX)` where X is whatever GRUB calls the boot partition.
[11:05] <Jormundgand> (Without backticks. Those are there for Perl-style delineation.)
[11:05] <mht> redrum: try 'grub-install /dev/sda', sorry, forgot the device ;)
[11:05] <redrum> mht: grub-install /dev/sda1 ??
[11:06] <Amaranth> no, sda
[11:06] <Jormundgand> mht, remember grub uses a different numbering schema.
[11:06] <Amaranth> you want it in the master boot record
[11:06] <scanwinder> anyone know how2 find out if my tv tuner card has drivers installed?
[11:06] <Amaranth> i guess it would be 0,0?
[11:06] <redrum> damn
[11:06] <Jormundgand> Amaranth: I think that's /dev/hda1.
[11:06] <redrum> ok can i just run it again with /dev/sda ??
[11:06] <Amaranth> Jormundgand: Then grub is a bitch.
[11:07] <tauko> so.. does ubuntu protect the partition it creates on install, so you cannot delete them witouth some type of authentification?
[11:07] <mht> redrum: as Amaranth say, /dev/sda
[11:07] <Jormundgand> If memory serves me correctly sda is (hd8). Please don't hold me to that.
[11:07] <Amaranth> tauko: That's impossible.
[11:07] <redrum> ok
[11:07] <MyNameIsChris> Amaranth, I wasn't after 2.6.11, I was after any Debian patched source. And that being the first and most recent I came by...
[11:07] <redrum> well I did it both ways
[11:07] <redrum> should i reboot?
[11:07] <la_binerie> where is xorg.conbf
[11:07] <la_binerie> where is xorg.conf
[11:07] <Amaranth> MyNameIsChris: Why debian patched source over ubuntu patched source?
[11:07] <Amaranth> la_binerie: /etc/X11/
[11:08] <la_binerie> thanks
[11:08] <mht> redrum: yes, try it...
[11:08] <MyNameIsChris> Amaranth, The two are different?
[11:08] <Amaranth> MyNameIsChris: The short answer is I have no idea how to build it. You'd be better off with 2.6.10 and the module for it.
[11:08] <Amaranth> MyNameIsChris: Possibly, but I doubt it.
[11:09] <MyNameIsChris> Amaranth, Well thanks for your help anyhow
[11:09] <MyNameIsChris> I have a potential lead
[11:09] <Jormundgand> redrum: Hold on a minute.
[11:09] <redrum> Still got the GRUB error
[11:09] <redrum> dagnabit
[11:09] <Jormundgand> Try typing grub-install /dev/hda
[11:09] <vince_> Hello, i want the mplayer firefox plugin not to play mp3 files through the plugin but rather let me downloading it, how should I disable this feature without removing the plugin ?
[11:09] <Jormundgand> And pastebin what it spits out.
[11:09] <mht> redrum: still same error?
[11:09] <redrum> mht: yeah
[11:10] <redrum> mht "Error 2"
[11:10] <mht> redrum: can you boot with another option?
[11:11] <redrum> mht: as long as you tell me how
[11:11] <redrum> Jormundgand:  you mean for me to type 'grub-install /dev/sda' right?  i'm on sata...
[11:12] <Jormundgand> redrum: sda is scsi.
[11:12] <Jormundgand> But sure, do it for kicks.
[11:12] <mht> redrum: at grub fisrt page, you pick the 'ubuntu, kernel ..., recovery mode'
[11:12] <Jormundgand> It can't hurt.
[11:12] <la_binerie> can i apt-get kernel sources
[11:13] <raghu> la_binerie : yes
[11:13] <la_binerie> aapt-get install kernel-sources
[11:14] <raghu> la_binerie : yes
[11:14] <raghu> la_binerie : sorry
[11:14] <raghu> la_binerie : apt-cache search kernel source
[11:14] <bob2> la_binerie: why do you want the kernel source?
[11:14] <raghu> then apt-get install source you want
[11:15] <la_binerie> i see
[11:15] <redrum> Jormundgand: i can't pastebin it, it's on a separate machine...
[11:15] <la_binerie> its for my videocard
[11:15] <redrum> Jrmundgand: or can i telnet into it or something
[11:15] <omppa> comments about ubuntu 5.04!
[11:16] <redrum> mht: not I can't pick any grub options whatsoever... it crashes right away
[11:16] <bob2> la_binerie: what video card?
[11:16] <bob2> la_binerie: it's pretty unlikely you need to compile a kernel
[11:16] <la_binerie> asus ax300
[11:16] <redrum> Jormundgand:  the output of grub-install /dev/sda is:
[11:16] <bob2> la_binerie: which is what? a radeon?
[11:17] <la_binerie> its radeon x300
[11:17] <la_binerie> you can help
[11:17] <la_binerie> ?
[11:17] <redrum> Jormundgand:  (hda0) /dev/sda, (hda1) /dev/sdb
[11:17] <Jormundgand> redrum: aha!
[11:17] <Jormundgand> redrum: type grub-install (hda0)
[11:18] <tauko> does exist any tools that leaves the hard disk as new? (without anything inside)
[11:18] <redrum> Jormundgand: doesn't work
[11:18] <redrum> Jormundgand: format of install device not recognized
[11:19] <bob2> la_binerie: so, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:19] <Jormundgand> redrum: I can't help then. I'm going by cryptic readouts from the Ubuntu install process.
[11:19] <redrum> Jormundgand: also when i did chroot I had a warning about ext2 / ext3 filesystem compatibility...
[11:19] <Ubuntian> You can fool all the people all of the time if the advertising is right and the budget is big enough.   -- Joseph E. Levine
[11:19] <redrum> Jormundgand: thanks for the help anyways
[11:19] <bob2> redrum: sudo grub-install /dev/whatever, where whatever is your hard disk device
[11:19] <bob2> that worked for me last week
[11:19] <bob2> you may need to setup a maping table if the device is scsi or sata
[11:20] <la_binerie> thanks bob2
[11:20] <redrum> bob2: mapping table, huh
[11:21] <bob2> redrum: it will give an error mentionning mappings if that is the problem, tho
[11:21] <omppa> in ubuntu, where i can find a log-files examble X-server crashes?
[11:21] <bob2> omppa: /var/log, same as any other unix system
[11:22] <kestas> shouldnt there be a system>eject button?
[11:22] <kestas> its a major pain to type eject every time you want to open the cd tray
[11:22] <omppa> thanks bob2 :)
[11:23] <scanwinder> what should i do to set up my tv tuner? scantv comes up with the following error
[11:23] <scanwinder> vbi:open failed [/dev/vbi] 
[11:23] <scanwinder> open /dev/dbi: No such file or directory
[11:24] <MyNameIsChris> Amaranth, Found some kernel patches which fix my EXACT errors. Pays to Google
[11:24] <mht> redrum: after instalation, your ubuntu working properly?
[11:24] <redrum> mht: no, right after i installed it, it rebooted, and the grub was broken
[11:26] <mht> redrum: do you install with default partiton right?
[11:26] <redrum> mht: that's what i tried to do, so i think that's what happened
[11:26] <redrum> haha
[11:27] <IIIEars>  redrum "" grub struggle - it does the default hands off install perfectly. - But you know most linux users are "Hands on"
[11:28] <IIIEars> Taking lot's of aspirin and washing it down with pepsi to cope. - lol
[11:28] <MrDataNet> I tried an uninstall using Synaptic Package Manager, and I think it only did a partial uninstall, I believe because daemons were running. Now what should I do? I still have Synaptic running. (I didn't restart, etc.) The history says the packages were removed, and 0 are listed as broken, and some files/folders were removed, but the packages aren't actually removed. My plan is to reinstall the...
[11:28] <MrDataNet> ...packages, then turn off the daemons, then remove the packages.
[11:29] <mht> redrum, try grub with floppy, mount with gento again, do 'grub-install --root-directory /dev/fd0' and boot with floppy
[11:29] <pepsi> IIIEars, hi
[11:29] <IIIEars> uOops - sorry about that.
[11:29] <IIIEars> Hello! :)
[11:29] <johan_> Section "Device"
[11:29] <johan_> 	Identifier	"Generic Video Card"
[11:29] <johan_> 	Driver		"vesa"
[11:29] <redrum> mht: do you think it could be because grub-install isn't overwriting the existing settings?
[11:30] <bob2> MrDataNet: this problem has nothing to do with "daemons running
[11:30] <johan_> i got that in xorg after doing the help from wiki.ubuntu for my videocard
[11:31] <johan_> it should be fglrx driver not vesa
[11:31] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is now on 2 machines in my house! - Yay! - pity bill gates as this scene is repeated in thousands of homes. - grin
[11:31] <johan_> could you hint me on that one bob2
[11:31] <bob2> johan_: so, what errors did it print?
[11:31] <redrum> mht: where should i get grub on a floppy
[11:31] <johan_> no error
[11:32] <bob2> IIIEars: hehe
[11:32] <teleyinex> hi
[11:32] <teleyinex> one thing
[11:32] <mht> redrum: mount your ubuntu partition an do 'grub-install --root-directory /mnt/tmp /dev/sda'
[11:33] <omppa> how can i do fully uninstall about kde? I have tried apt-get remove kde! But ubuntu only says that apt-get remove kde command clears only 40kt disk space.
[11:33] <johan_> root@ubuntu:/home/johan # modprobe fglrx
[11:33] <johan_> root@ubuntu:/home/johan #
[11:33] <teleyinex> how can i access the extensions for firefox, cause i get always the same page saying that i have to upgrade
[11:33] <mht> redrum: sorry, 'grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/tmp /dev/sda'
[11:34] <IIIEars> fd for floppy or sda?
[11:34] <bob2> johan_: where does it tell you to run that?
[11:34] <mht> redrum: sorry again, 'grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/tmp /dev/fd0'
[11:34] <johan_> echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[11:34] <johan_> fglrx
[11:34] <johan_> root@ubuntu:/home/johan #
[11:34] <bob2> johan_: yes, I can se the instructions
[11:34] <johan_> bob2 http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:35] <bob2> johan_: just edit your x config file manually like it says
[11:35] <IIIEars> Pours mht a nice hot cup of colubian arabica coffee. - grin
[11:35] <johan_> i did that
[11:35] <MrDataNet> bob2: If daemons aren't the problem, then what do you think is the problem? This relates to https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/tasks/651/
[11:35] <bob2> johan_: no, you didn't
[11:35] <IIIEars> mht you are awesome.
[11:36] <bob2> johan_: if you had, it would not say "vesa" in the config file
[11:36] <johan_> well i replaced the ati for fglrx and thats all
[11:36] <redrum> mht: i get an error:  cannot create directory /mnt/tmp/boot: no such file or directory.
[11:36] <johan_> it changed when i rebooted bob2
[11:36] <bob2> MrDataNet: good on you for finding the bug report, btw
[11:36] <MrDataNet> bob2: thanks
[11:36] <bob2> MrDataNet: it being uninstallable is presumably because the package is broken
[11:36] <mht> redrum: what 'ls /mnt/tmp/boot' say?
[11:37] <bob2> MrDataNet: it won't run anymore, but it won't cause problems with you installing zope from source, either
[11:37] <mht> redrum: do you see grub folder?
[11:37] <redrum> no
[11:37] <redrum> i have a boot folder
[11:37] <}x{|CeRbErUs> Anyone who has the linux bible in PDF?
[11:37] <johan_> should i change the Identifier too in xorg.conf
[11:38] <redrum> mht: i have /boot/grub...
[11:38] <redrum> mht: in /mnt i have nothing
[11:39] <bob2> }x{|CeRbErUs: this is not a warez channel, sorry
[11:39] <}x{|CeRbErUs> is that warez?
[11:40] <}x{|CeRbErUs> i found a book about fedora legally
[11:40] <mht> redrum: do 'mkdir /mnt/tmp', 'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/tmp' and grub install
[11:40] <}x{|CeRbErUs> so...
[11:40] <}x{|CeRbErUs> i was wondering :)
[11:42] <IIIEars> www.cs.elte.hu/local/Linux-bible/+linux+bible&hl=en can you mirror a site with wget?
[11:42] <redrum> mht: ok that's working
[11:42] <wdh> }x{|CeRbErUs, just use google then
[11:43] <johan_> when i change the driver for videocard do i need to reboot or just off X is ok
[11:43] <redrum> mht: so now i want to reboot with the floppy as my boot?
[11:43] <MrDataNet> bob2: I believe you, and it's just on faith. Question: Could package removal of any particular package be impeeded by the program already running? I guess you're saying that Linux/Unix can do the removal with programs running? The reason I ask is that I think I saw a message from Synaptic about trying to close a daemon, but that failed because the "daemon manager" wasn't running. I don't see...
[11:43] <MrDataNet> ...that in the error report cited above, however. The closest that report has is "subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1", which I think might relate.
[11:43] <IIIEars> johan just kill and restart
[11:43] <johan_> kill?
[11:44] <johan_> ok i get it
[11:44] <IIIEars> no need to reboot except after rebuilding a kernel
[11:44] <mht> redrum: yes try it
[11:44] <wdh> MrDataNet, why would you want to keep something running that is already removed?
[11:44] <bob2> MrDataNet: "subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" is a generic error from the low-level package manegement tools (dpkg) that means the removal cleanup script screwed up somehow
[11:44] <johan_> whats the cmd to logoff
[11:44] <wdh> MrDataNet, just kill it first :)
[11:44] <bob2> MrDataNet: you would have got that if the zope packages are screwed
[11:45] <IIIEars> johan kill X? CTRL+ALT+<BACKSPACE> do ps -e to make sure x is dead i am a bit new to this
[11:46] <redrum> mht:  ok, i rebooted.  it says 'GRUB'
[11:46] <redrum> mht: that's it
[11:46] <MrDataNet> wdh: I'd like to kill it and make sure it's dead. That's the problem. I don't know how. ;> Or, I don't know how to be *sure* it's all removed.
[11:46] <mht> redrum: no choice?
[11:46] <redrum> nope
[11:46] <IIIEars> you can get a root terminal with F2 and kill X after you get there also
[11:48] <mht> redrum: :( i must go offline, didn't help you again... maybe tomorrow
[11:48] <MrDataNet> bob2: The package wasn't completely removed. It makes me nervous. ;> Should I remove the remaining pieces manually? Do you think it would be worth trying to reinstall, then uninstall? I don't like pieces of broken stuff lying around.
[11:48] <redrum> mht: thanks anyway
[11:48] <MrDataNet> bob2: Maybe I just overanalyse.
[11:48] <bob2> MrDataNet: it depends on how broken it is
[11:48] <bob2> MrDataNet: heh, I understand
[11:49] <bob2> MrDataNet: without looking carefully at the bug report, I couldn't tell you, and I don't have time, sorry
[11:49] <MrDataNet> bob2: NP.
[11:49] <MrDataNet> bob2: Thanks for your help. I'm at least pointed in the right direction.
[11:50] <vampire123> bob2 is idiot
[11:51] <johan_> fglrx driver is installed but upon reloging my is screen is all fuzzy
[11:51] <MrDataNet> bob2: One last question, then. Would it make any difference if I reboot? I'm asking re Synaptic Package Manager: Right now, it's in a certain state where it says nothing is broken, etc. I might want to try that reinstall, or repair, or something. But, if I reboot, can that mess me up?
[11:52] <wdh> MrDataNet, you can safely reboot.. although its as useless as it's safe :)
[11:52] <MrDataNet> wdh: clear.
[11:53] <MrDataNet> I'm a Linux newbie, and the reliability is hard to get used to.
[11:53] <HostingGeek> bob2: can I /msg you?
[11:53] <johan_> its really hard for my eyes since i did the ati driver install
[11:54] <hondje> johan_: refresh rate?
[11:54] <johan_> might be that
[11:54] <johan_> Section "Monitor"
[11:54] <johan_>         Identifier      "Generic Monitor"
[11:54] <johan_>         Option          "DPMS"
[11:54] <johan_>         HorizSync       30-70
[11:54] <johan_>         VertRefresh     50-160
[11:55] <johan_> i got benqfp731
[11:55] <d3bian> hey johab what kinda video card do u have
[11:55] <d3bian> ati what?
[11:55] <johan_> 300x
[11:55] <johan_> x300
[11:55] <hondje> johan_: that looks fine to me
[11:55] <bob2> HostingGeek: no
[11:55] <d3bian> is it a radeon or agp or what
[11:56] <bob2> MrDataNet: rebooting won't help or hinder
[11:56] <johan_> radeon
[11:56] <HostingGeek> bob2: can we talk in #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[11:56] <bob2> MrDataNet: unless the problem was to do with zope running or something weird
[11:56] <bob2> HostingGeek: I really doubt there's anything for us to talk about
[11:56] <d3bian> k this is my best advice for you
[11:56] <scanwinder> what should i do to set up my tv tuner? scantv comes up with the following error	
[11:56] <scanwinder> vbi:open failed [/dev/vbi] 	
[11:56] <scanwinder> open /dev/dbi: No such file or directory
[11:56] <d3bian> go into abd log in text mode ( which u probably are right now)
[11:56] <d3bian> then type:
[11:56] <d3bian> X -configure
[11:57] <d3bian> new file will bw in /root/xorg.config.new
[11:57] <HostingGeek> bob2: I don't want to say what I want to talk about in here but can I just /msg you the topic and then you say yes or no?
[11:57] <d3bian> then vi or nano that file
[11:57] <d3bian> then get out of the file once u have modified it
[11:57] <bob2> HostingGeek: lord
[11:57] <bob2> HostingGeek: fine
[11:57] <d3bian> then type X - config /root/xorg.config.new
[11:58] <HostingGeek> Thanks!!! :)
[11:58] <d3bian> i x pulls up then u got it up and running
[11:58] <d3bian> all u have to after that is copy that file into the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:58] <d3bian> and ull be set
[11:58] <scanwinder> can someone please help me with my tv tuner now?
[11:58] <hondje> geez, easier to just edit it by hand man
[11:59] <d3bian> alright hindj :) , here we go step by steo
[11:59] <johan_> wow d3bian great
[11:59] <d3bian> did it work for you johan?
[12:00] <johan_> how do i abd log in text mode
[12:00] <johan_> like init3
[12:00] <johan_> ?
[12:00] <d3bian> abd?
[12:00] <johan_> i just pasted what you wrote to me
[12:01] <d3bian> u wanna copy and paste it into a file
[12:01] <d3bian> is that what u are trying to do
[12:01] <johan_> i'm in x right now
[12:01] <|Ivanch0|> enasss
[12:01] <d3bian> awesome
[12:02] <d3bian> now u have to install a nice window manager
[12:02] <d3bian> window maker is an awesome option
[12:02] <d3bian> if u want to go lighter then try fvwm
[12:02] <d3bian> if not icewm or fluxbox or blackbox
[12:02] <d3bian> and for ultimate configuration and alot of hacking
[12:02] <johan_> i like flux i think
[12:02] <d3bian> u can install afterstep
[12:03] <d3bian> but then again u can be just like me and get the most out of ur computer
[12:03] <johan_> what do i need to edit in the file xorg.config.new
[12:03] <d3bian> GO TEXT MODE!!!
[12:03] <d3bian> nothin johan all u have to do is the following
[12:04] <d3bian> type cp /root/xorg.config.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:04] <d3bian> then after u do that then u can modify it
[12:04] <johan_> wait i'll go try that
[12:08] <johan_> how do you log off X ?
[12:09] <johan_> when i logoff i'm at the ubuntu login menu
[12:09] <johan_> d3bian
[12:10] <d3bian> thats because the default display manager is gdm
[12:11] <d3bian> if u want to have another maanger u can install xdm
[12:11] <lesshaste> I have two machines plugged into my DSL router with private IP addresses. They can be addressed from outside by an external IP address using the port forwarding. How can I sort it out so the same address works from both inside and outside?
[12:12] <van_> hi, where are all fonts stored in ubuntu?
[12:14] <sparkling> hi all
[12:15] <d3bian> hey van
[12:15] <d3bian> they are in /etc/fonts
[12:15] <sparkling> does ubuntu livecd have a money management tool preinstalled?
[12:15] <d3bian> and /etc/X11/fonts
[12:15] <van_> thank you d3bian
[12:15] <d3bian> u welcome
[12:15] <d3bian> next time try this command
[12:16] <d3bian> find /dir where u wanna start the search at -name<-- dont change this --> then what u are looking for goes here
[12:16] <d3bian> for example this is how i answered ur quesstion
[12:16] <d3bian> i typed
[12:16] <d3bian> find / -name fonts
[12:16] <van_> wow, thanks, i didn't know this command
[12:17] <spanglesontoast> hey hey kids
[12:17] <d3bian> find is a HUGE!! command
[12:17] <anemiat1> I installed the 855resolution on my dell 700m all works fine but the fonts are too big  I know those can be adjusted in control panel but even a simple open office occupies half the screen
[12:17] <d3bian> it goes into more detail but u have to be messing with unix for a long time to rediscover all its features
[12:17] <sparkling> if not is it possible to install a money management tool like gnucash on a usb pen and load it every time i use the live cd?
[12:17] <spanglesontoast> anyone else got any other guis I can try out other than : blackbox, fluxbox, gnome, kde, xfce or is that it?
[12:17] <d3bian> hey anemiat
[12:17] <anemiat1> hi
[12:17] <d3bian> try changing ur resolution and itll work
[12:18] <d3bian> if not try loading xfonts and pick a smal set of fonts
[12:18] <d3bian> also check ur xorg.conf file
[12:18] <anemiat1> the resolution is what it should be 1280 X 800
[12:18] <spanglesontoast> you talking to me?
[12:18] <MrDataNet> Update Re Zope/Plone, Synaptic Package Manager, my (false) concerns re daemons: It turns out that repeatedly clicking "Apply" (3 times total) completed th removal of Zope 2.7.
[12:18] <d3bian> u probably enabled virtual window
[12:19] <spanglesontoast> why is blackboxes menus screwed up
[12:19] <anemiat1> where is the virtual window?
[12:19] <d3bian> all that is ur system is configured to scrool ur iwndow if its too big
[12:19] <spanglesontoast> it only has restart exit and xterm
[12:19] <d3bian> if u disable it then itll fit it all into ur screen
[12:19] <d3bian> spangle when u configed it
[12:19] <anemiat1> wher to disable it
[12:19] <anemiat1> ?
[12:19] <d3bian> u shouldve done this
[12:20] <d3bian> ./configure --enable-gnome or --enable-kde
[12:20] <d3bian> whiever of those u have
[12:20] <spanglesontoast> ah ok
[12:20] <d3bian> and then itll read ur gnome or kde menu
[12:20] <spanglesontoast> ty
[12:20] <spanglesontoast> brb
[12:20] <spanglesontoast> ok
[12:21] <spanglesontoast> is there a way of editing it?
[12:21] <d3bian> u can also go to packages.ubuntu and try and install the debian menu and that will show as well but u have to cinfig ur .xinitrc file
[12:21] <johan_> how do i log off x
[12:21] <d3bian> ctrl alt backspace
[12:21] <d3bian> thas for u johan
[12:21] <johan_> d3bian can you tell me how to log off X
[12:22] <d3bian> ctrl alt backspace
[12:23] <d3bian> hey yall i would love to answer all of ur questions but i have a class to teach ill brbr in a couple of hours
[12:23] <spanglesontoast> you lie
[12:23] <spanglesontoast> ./configure doesn't work etc
[12:23] <d3bian> always REMEMBER THIS!! U CANT BE A GOOD UBUNTIAN, without inderstand the basics of unic and Debian/GNU Linux
[12:24] <d3bian> thats becaus u alreadyu installed it splangle
[12:24] <lesshaste> I have two machines plugged into my DSL router with private IP addresses. One can be addressed from outside by an external IP address using the port forwarding. How can I sort it out so the same address works from both inside and outside?
[12:24] <spanglesontoast> well I'm not compiling it
[12:24] <spanglesontoast> so how do I edit it while using it
[12:24] <d3bian> then u can go into ur ~/.blackbox file and config it from there
[12:25] <spanglesontoast> you want it in pastebin?
[12:25] <d3bian> but ull have to know an extensivfe amount if the blackbox variables and syntax which i assume u dont know
[12:25] <d3bian> but u can always fall back to this simple idea
[12:25] <d3bian> RTFM!!
[12:25] <spanglesontoast> I just want it clone the gnome menu
[12:25] <van_> RMTKR!
[12:25] <van_> :D
[12:26] <d3bian> <--- DOES NOT LIKE BEING CALLED A LIAR remeber im helping u
[12:26] <spanglesontoast> hmm
[12:26] <spanglesontoast> got an idea
[12:26] <d3bian> and i have yrs of experience doin this
[12:26] <spanglesontoast> what if I delete the blackbox-menu
[12:26] <spanglesontoast> reinstall
[12:26] <spanglesontoast> will it put the normal one in?
[12:26] <d3bian> thas what i just told u to do spangle
[12:26] <spanglesontoast> cos I did have a menu before
[12:27] <spanglesontoast> but the odd thing is it disappeared
[12:27] <d3bian> uninstall and then reconfig with the command i gave u
[12:27] <d3bian> look splangle get out of X
[12:27] <spanglesontoast> what compile it from stratch?
[12:27] <d3bian> unistall ur blackbox wm
[12:27] <d3bian> and reconfig it
[12:27] <d3bian> simple!!
[12:27] <spanglesontoast> we all use synaptic
[12:27] <d3bian> IM OUT GENTLEMEN enjoy ur frustations
[12:28] <d3bian> experience is ur best teacher
[12:28] <HawkeVIPER> does anyone happen to know if ubuntu ships with some weird firewall crap enabled?
[12:29] <d3bian> no it doesnt hawke
[12:29] <d3bian> u have to set it up
[12:29] <HawkeVIPER> this makes zero sense then
[12:29] <d3bian> ths good viper
[12:29] <d3bian> dou wnat to enable it
[12:29] <HawkeVIPER> hell no
[12:29] <d3bian> ok then whats the problem
[12:29] <HawkeVIPER> I have a router/firewall bsd box for that
[12:30] <HawkeVIPER> the problem, is that having installed apache, nothing but the ubuntu box can access it
[12:30] <HawkeVIPER> any other location - LAN/WAN - gets a connection refused
[12:31] <d3bian> try logging from an ssh terminal then
[12:31] <prova> ciao a tutti
[12:38] <johan_> how can i log-off X
[12:40] <johan_> can you tell me how you log-off X
[12:41] <kestas> init 2
[12:41] <kestas> sudo init 2
[12:41] <johan_> it does not work
[12:41] <johan_> i try from a terminal
[12:41] <kestas> what does it say?
[12:41] <kestas> do you want to stop X or just go to a console?
[12:42] <johan_> stop X
[12:42] <kestas> so what happens when you sudo init 2?
[12:42] <johan_> /home/johan # sudo init 2
[12:42] <johan_> /home/johan #
[12:42] <johan_> thats it
[12:42] <johan_> weird
[12:42] <kestas> hmmm
[12:42] <johan_> im in aterm
[12:42] <kestas> must have the runlevel mixed up
[12:43] <kestas> easiest way would be to boot up in 'recovery mode'
[12:43] <johan_> what is it
[12:43] <johan_> with shutdown
[12:43] <kestas> yeah shutdown start back up
[12:44] <Guerin> try another runlevel
[12:44] <kestas> Guerin: which runlevel was it?
[12:44] <kestas> I thought it was 2 but thats not it
[12:44] <kestas> might be 4, but I thought that was X runlevel
[12:44] <johan_> i did 2,3,4,5
[12:44] <Guerin> kestas: i don't know ubuntu's default; debian's runlevels 2-5 are all the same
[12:44] <Guerin> so try all of them from 2-5
[12:44] <johan_> i did
[12:44] <kestas> hmm thats weird
[12:45] <Guerin> 0,1 and 6 are different; failing anything else, init 1 should put you in single
[12:45] <kestas> there must be a runlevel which doesnt start X
[12:45] <wdh> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[12:45] <wdh> :)
[12:45] <Guerin> yeah
[12:46] <Guerin> that works too
[12:46] <kestas> yeah that too
[12:47] <johan_> sorry
[12:47] <johan_> so init 1 does work
[12:47] <kestas> thats single user mode
[12:47] <kestas> wdh sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[12:47] <kestas> if you want multi user
[12:47] <emacsen> I just tried to file a bug report on a Universe bug but it won't let me. What should I do?
[12:47] <ja> does anyone know of any games you can play without X (apart from reading man pages)?
[12:48] <Guerin> ja: irc
[12:48] <johan_> i need to configure X
[12:48] <emacsen> ja: bsdgames
[12:48] <kestas> you can do that from X johan
[12:48] <van_> (apart from reading man pages) - reading man pages is a game? :)
[12:48] <johan_> but in init 1, i did X -configure and it says not a batch cmd
[12:48] <kestas> just restart it once you want to test a config
[12:48] <kestas> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[12:49] <emacsen> so no one here knows what to do about universe bugs?
[12:49] <mecco> ????
[12:49] <johan_> Fatal server error:
[12:49] <johan_> Server is already active for display 0
[12:49] <johan_>         If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock
[12:49] <johan_>         and start again.
[12:49] <kestas> -_-
[12:49] <ja> van_ well it's as fun as a game (for some people)
[12:49] <johan_> whatdoes that mean
[12:49] <emacsen> launchpad said my package was invalid
[12:49] <van_> :)
[12:49] <van_> maybe
[12:50] <johan_> thats output when i type X -configure
[12:50] <kestas> thats because your X server is still up
[12:50] <Guerin> johan_: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[12:50] <Guerin> like they said
[12:50] <johan_> sorry
[12:52] <ja> bsdgames looks cool!
[12:52] <waxhead> hi everyone
[12:53] <jono> hi all
[12:53] <ja> hi waxhead and jono
[12:57] <Fikrann> Hello all
[12:57] <jono> just to let you all know, Mark Shuttleworth will be speaking at LUGRadio Live in the UK
[12:58] <Az> At the risk of being another nub who just wanders in here and asks his question, anyone have any idea where I might find ADSL modem drivers for a Dlink ALH 181 ?
[12:59] <johan_> i got this in my log from X -configure
[12:59] <johan_> (--) PCI: (2:0:1) ATI Technologies Inc unknown chipset (0x5b70) rev 0, Mem @ 0xd1010000/16
[12:59] <johan_> Missing output drivers.  Configuration failed.
[12:59] <johan_> thats the last two lines in the log
[01:00] <Fikrann> Az: I doubt there is one.
[01:00] <Az> Fikrann: thats what Im starting to fear
[01:00] <Az> Thats the only thing stopping me from doing a full jump over to Ubuntu :o(
[01:00] <Fikrann> Az: is it usb only?
[01:00] <waxhead> jono from lugradio?
[01:01] <Az> Fikrann: internal
[01:01] <Fikrann> johan_: install ATI driver from their website
[01:01] <jono> waxhead, yep
[01:01] <johan_> ok thanks
[01:01] <Fikrann> Az: i.e. PCI device?
[01:02] <Az> Fikrann: yup.
[01:02] <Az> Hey, I so thought that about the ATI question!
[01:02] <Az> Im a Linux winner already.
[01:04] <Fikrann> Az: I'd try asking on #linux or #debian, maybe there someone will have some info .. but I wouldn't hold my breath.
[01:04] <johan_> driver at ati have choice for X.org and xfree85
[01:04] <johan_> 86
[01:05] <Az> Worth a try though?
[01:05] <Fikrann> johan_: xorg, of course
[01:05] <johan_> ok
[01:06] <Fikrann> Az: can you pm me results of lspci -v ? I think this might be simply a rebranded device, and if so, it might be supported under completely different name.
[01:10] <johan_> lin stop it
[01:10] <johan_> i dont like if you always /msg me
[01:10] <waxhead> jono, much happening?
[01:10] <johan_> is it a problem that the drivers at ati are rpm's
[01:11] <waxhead> jono, must admit have a few episodes to catch up on
[01:11] <jono> waxhead, pretty busy, lots going on :)
[01:11] <jono> waxhead, :)
[01:11] <waxhead> jono, still got a good following.. was it slashdot that bought the hordes in?
[01:11] <jono> waxhead, slashdot did contribute quite a few listeners, yes :)
[01:11] <jono> its going well :)
[01:11] <Fikrann> johan_, grab .tar.gz version, it'll be simpler to install.
[01:11] <waxhead> jono, that's good.. it's actually quite a good show to listen too
[01:12] <jono> waxhead, thanks :)
[01:12] <johan_> where can i get them
[01:12] <Adross> debian's been updated
[01:12] <waxhead> jono, I think the english sence of humour works well the the .au sence of humour...
[01:12] <Adross> the've got some awesome programs as well
[01:12] <jono> hehe, :)
[01:12] <johan_> or could i 2 rpm2targz
[01:12] <Adross> good thing though
[01:12] <waxhead> jono, which makes some sence I guess.. ;)
[01:12] <Adross> they're gonna have to last a while...
[01:12] <jono> waxhead, I met a few aussies at GUADEC who have a similar sense of humour, one being jdub
[01:12] <Adross> fedora left redhat
[01:13] <Adross> i heard, in commerations, they're gonna rename the package manger
[01:13] <Adross> 'yuck'
[01:13] <Adross> i've got a million of the,
[01:13] <Guerin> lin: any reason you're messaging me?
[01:13] <Adross> *them
[01:14] <waxhead> jono, took me a while to learn he was an aussie...
[01:14] <Fikrann> johan_, sorry .. yes, grab rpm. Shouldn't be a problem.
[01:14] <jono> waxhead, :)
[01:14] <Fikrann> lin, please stop messaging everyone.
[01:15] <waxhead> jono, we tend to get a little parochial about .au successes.. :)
[01:15] <Az> Fikrann: would the fact Im running Ubuntu under VMware affect the output?
[01:16] <Fikrann> Az, yes
[01:16] <Kingmilo> hi guys, what do i need to install to get to play a DVD on my laptop, my drive is capable of playing DVD's just doesnt seem like totem can play dvd's ? :)
[01:16] <Az> Fikrann: bugger... Any other suggestions?
[01:16] <waxhead> jono, one of the reason I think we don't see alot of .au names in software is the great weather tends to keep us outside.. having said that though... there are some other names in the oss community that disproves that too
[01:17] <tyler_> yay got wine to work! (finnally) found out rose online wont install *dont know why i even want to play it* startcraft cant see the cd on the computer...even thou its installed....HURRAY.
[01:17] <waxhead> jono, if you haven't already what about an interview iwth the Jabber developers?  Be interesting to hear where they are going with it...
[01:18] <tyler_> HURRAY!!!!!!!
[01:18] <Fikrann> Az, that'd would only show devices emulated by vmWare.
[01:19] <tyler_> hmmm lets see if freelancer will work..
[01:19] <Rayen16> HURRAYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!
[01:19] <Az> Damn...
[01:19] <jono> waxhead, good idea :)
[01:20] <waxhead> jono, can you say a g'day to me on the show... give a mate of mine the shits... ;)
[01:20] <waxhead> jono, pathetic and lame I know.. but I have so little in my life.. :)
[01:20] <[FeiM] Swoop> does anybody know if you can connect to sftp using flashfxp ?
[01:20] <tyler_> HURRAY FREELANCER WONT RUN COUSE IT DOESNT RUN ON WINDOWS 95 WHICH WINE SEEMS TO BE HUUURRRAAYYY *sorry been up all night trying to get this to work*
[01:20] <jono> waxhead, sure, drop me a mail with you name - jono AT-NOSPAMARSES jonobacon DOT-NOSPAMHEREEITHER org
[01:20] <Fikrann> Az: best way would be to boot into linux, save the output on a pendrive, reboot to linux
[01:21] <tyler_> oh yea why wont Sambar server start?
[01:21] <waxhead> jono, that could fill your inbox.. :)
[01:21] <jono> heh
[01:21] <Fikrann> tyler_: because you need to configure it?
[01:21] <mjr> tyler_, if it's just a version response thing, you can tell wine to fake being nt or 2k or xp too
[01:22] <tyler_> hmm
[01:22] <Chetic> Is there a way to check how much bandwidth I'm using on eth0?
[01:22] <tyler_> how?
[01:22] <Az> Fikrann: dunno if Im confident doing that... I cant even install things under linux yet!
[01:22] <Az> Plus I dont have a pendrive
[01:23] <Choubaka> tyler_: force wine to show itself as w2k
[01:23] <Choubaka> tyler_: there's the -winver option I think
[01:23] <tyler_> hmm
[01:23] <mjr> -winver seems familiar, yes
[01:23] <tyler_> ill go look
[01:23] <Guerin> jono: jono bacon of the met'l free software song?
[01:23] <mjr> also http://www.winehq.com/site/docs/wine-user/config-windows-versions
[01:24] <tyler_> does wine support sound? or do i need somthing else for that
[01:24] <[FeiM] Swoop> how do i setup an ftp server on ubuntu ? on windows i usually use Serv-U but i dont know how to do that .. somebody able to help a newbie here ?
[01:24] <jono> guerby, yep
[01:24] <mjr> tyler_, it does
[01:25] <tyler_> oh yea...
[01:25] <tyler_> um Starcraft didint see the cd....how do i configure that...
[01:25] <waxhead> [FeiM] Swoop, carefully.  typically in a chrooted jail
[01:25] <tyler_> it installed...but couldent play..
[01:26] <mjr> tyler, http://koti.mbnet.fi/~hoppq/sc-howto.html
[01:26] <jono> off to lunch, nice meeting you waxhead
[01:26] <jono> :)
[01:26] <Guerin> jono: pwn
[01:26] <[FeiM] Swoop> uhmmm what waxhead ? didnt understand that really ... new to all thoose linux expressions :(
[01:26] <[FeiM] Swoop> alternatively using sftp perhaps ?
[01:26] <[FeiM] Swoop> i got told sftp would be better and easier.. but still at a loss
[01:26] <jono> guerby, pwn?
[01:27] <saber_> hey in hoary... is /dev mounted?
[01:27] <_henning> ...
[01:27] <_henning> 
[01:27] <tyler_> uh..
[01:27] <tyler_> how do u list..
[01:27] <jono> later all
[01:27] <Guerin> jono: 'own' - 'You did tewwibly well, old son.' 'Great performance, sir! My hat is off!'
[01:28] <Guerin> etc.
[01:28] <tyler_> Make sure the drive Starcraft is installed on is one listed in your ~/.winerc or global wine.conf. ....got no clue..
[01:28] <Fikrann> saber_: yes, /dev is on tmpfs, as it should be when using udev
[01:28] <Guerin> and i'm not guerby
[01:28] <mjr> tyler_, hmm, seems the page is maybe a bit out of date for current wine versions
[01:28] <mjr> ah well
[01:28] <waxhead> jono, yeah you too.. keep up the great work.. :)
[01:28] <saber_> oh really... i am going to look into that. i have no idea what that is
[01:28] <tyler_> great....oh well....i can tell its going to be abit hard to get the games to work.
[01:29] <waxhead> [FeiM] Swoop, if you have sftp, why not just use scp?
[01:29] <tyler_> dont really care...Ubuntu is worth it.
[01:29] <waxhead> [FeiM] Swoop, setup an ssh server and scp files too/from the server
[01:30] <[FeiM] Swoop> waxhead i want to be able to login from windows machines ect.. and the people i want logging in dont use anything exept ftp..
[01:30] <Guerin> waxhead: nice if you give your ftp users local user accounts...
[01:30] <[FeiM] Swoop> so i figured the easiet setup was if i could run an ftp server, or something similar
[01:30] <tyler_> um a got a question, how do u get Sambar server to work.
[01:30] <johan_> how do you run rpm's
[01:31] <Guerin> [FeiM] Swoop: i'd suggest vsftpd and either encryption or virtual users. Read the documentation for it - it's not wildly hard to do.
[01:31] <[FeiM] Swoop> vsftpd ? okay i will see if i can get that working...
[01:31] <Guerin> [FeiM] Swoop: running a ftp server is not something you should be doing unless you're prepared to knuckle down and learn how to do it correctly and securely
[01:32] <[FeiM] Swoop> well im prepared, but im finding all the documentation i find a bit too hard really
[01:32] <tyler_> and to change the windows system wine fakes do i need to edit A.configure.ac or B.config.log
[01:32] <Fikrann> tyler_: edit the conf file, then run /etc/init.d/samba restart.
[01:32] <[FeiM] Swoop> either that or om just too stupid ;)
[01:32] <tyler_> ? for the server or wine..
[01:33] <Fikrann> tyler_: if you need to get samba to work, it should be obvious that you need to tinker with samba config file. /etc/samba/smb.conf
[01:34] <johan_> anyone here used rpm's
[01:34] <tyler_> lol
[01:34] <tyler_> so whats this for...
[01:34] <tyler_> /etc/init.d/samba restart.
[01:35] <Fikrann> To restart the server after you've done editing your config file. It's by default started by dpkg after installation, but it Does Nothing (TM)
[01:35] <DarthShrine> Can ubuntu do rpms?
[01:35] <johan_> i think so
[01:35] <Guerin> DarthShrine: really bad idea.
[01:35] <DarthShrine> johan_, There ya go...Bad idea
[01:35] <Fikrann> johan_: install rpm in synaptic. Or even better, alien.
[01:36] <Guerin> DarthShrine: like putting raw ethanol in your v8
[01:36] <DarthShrine> alien is good
[01:36] <DarthShrine> Guerin, Not for me...I have an rpm distro
[01:36] <DarthShrine> Anyway, thanks
[01:36] <DarthShrine> Cya later
[01:36] <Guerin> wtf
[01:37] <Fikrann> Guerin: it's useful if you have too new gfx card to be even recognised by free xorg drivers.
[01:37] <johan_> could you just tell me the cmd to use alien
[01:38] <waxhead> [FeiM] Swoop, is it on a local network only?
[01:38] <[FeiM] Swoop> yes right now it's only between my stationary (this one running xp) and my laptop
[01:39] <[FeiM] Swoop> and when im done setting that up hopefully i will know enough to setup some secure ftp (or what is better) on a remote server my friend is running
[01:40] <Fikrann> [FeiM] Swoop: install vsftpd or proftpd. Both work out of the box and are quite flexible.
[01:41] <[FeiM] Swoop> Fikrann: thanks i will try that... might i ask if there is also gui availbe for settin them up ?
[01:41] <Fikrann> [FeiM] Swoop: no
[01:41] <[FeiM] Swoop> hmmm :(
[01:42] <Fikrann> you don't need gui to set any of them up.
[01:42] <HawkeVIPER> ffs, they're getting free support... and they expect me to do a php5 installation alongside php4... I think not..
[01:42] <cyberdude> help required? :(
[01:42] <[FeiM] Swoop> hmmm and permissions on what folders are allowed ect is easy ?
[01:42] <HawkeVIPER> gah, shit... wrong chan
[01:43] <cyberdude> anyone experienced in hardware config in ubuntu
[01:43] <Fikrann> Both have well commented config files and are set up okay by default.
[01:43] <Fikrann> cyberdude: state your problem.
[01:44] <[FeiM] Swoop> thanks Fikrann ... gonna give it a shot ... get back here is i dont get it ;) hope thats okay :D
[01:44] <cyberdude> after installing ubuntu on my asus L5d my laptop screen goes out of sync
[01:44] <[FeiM] Swoop> still relative new to using linux, and ALOT to understand when you have been using windows for so many years
[01:45] <cyberdude> if i plug my external tft monitor on i can see the command line
[01:45] <cyberdude> i tried xf86config and xf86cfg
[01:45] <cyberdude> but the same happens with evry boot
[01:45] <cyberdude> only in recovery mode i cansee my command line on my laptop screen
[01:46] <Fikrann> cyberdude: what maximal resolution your laptop display supports?
[01:47] <[FeiM] Swoop> Fikrann: one quick final question before i go searching through documentation: Virtual users.. what exactly is this ?
[01:47] <cyberdude> 1400 1050
[01:47] <Fikrann> [FeiM] Swoop: I'm not exactly sure.
[01:47] <HawkeVIPER> [FeiM] Swoop, virtual users in ftp?
[01:48] <HawkeVIPER> basically, they're people who don't actually have a user account ont he box running the ftp server
[01:48] <HawkeVIPER> they're generally used in relation to virtual hosted sites
[01:48] <HawkeVIPER> on shared ips
[01:48] <cyberdude> it's the ubuntu 64 what i'm using
[01:48] <cyberdude> with AMD 64bit extensions
[01:49] <cyberdude> as soon at it try's to boot gnome system my screen goes out of sync
[01:49] <Fikrann> cyberdude: you need to manually edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:49] <[FeiM] Swoop> ahh thanks for the help so far ;)
[01:50] <cyberdude> it says XF86config
[01:50] <HawkeVIPER> =)
[01:50] <cyberdude> it think my ubuntu doesn't have xorg
[01:51] <Fikrann> cyberdude: then you have problem, since there is no ubuntu distro using XFree86
[01:52] <cyberdude> eek
[01:52] <cyberdude> maybe it's because it's a 64bit distro
[01:52] <cyberdude> darn
[01:53] <shanon> Does anyone know how to play AC3 encoded video with mplayer on ubuntu without it crashing? I used to run it on Gentoo and it worked fine?
[01:53] <stjepan> good evening :)
[01:53] <Fikrann> cyberdude: I can't really help you without having access to similar machine to test on.
[01:53] <cyberdude> okie thnx anyway
[01:59] <Chetic> Is there a way to check how much bandwidth I'm using on eth0?
[02:00] <cyberdude> i guess i got an older version of ubuntu
[02:00] <alerim> Chetic: ethereal
[02:00] <cyberdude> i'll try the 5
[02:00] <Fikrann> Chetic: install bwm .. or gkrellm.
[02:01] <alerim> yeah might be better, ethereal would be too much :p
[02:01] <Fikrann> cyberdude: which version?
[02:01] <alerim> cyberdude: there is not 5 version but 5.04 which is the release date of hoary :)
[02:02] <cyberdude> 4.1
[02:02] <alerim> this is an older version indeed
[02:02] <cyberdude> so it says on the document files
[02:02] <Chetic> thanks Fikrann
[02:03] <cyberdude> that's maybe why it ain't working
[02:04] <alerim> cyberdude: what is not working?
[02:05] <kingos> is there a multimedia faq for amd64 on abuntu?
[02:06] <Avinoam> hey guys
[02:06] <kingos> am I supposed to be using esd or alsa or what?
[02:06] <cyberdude> brb restoring windows XP
[02:07] <Chetic> cyberdude, watch the language
[02:08] <HawkeVIPER> lol
[02:08] <kingos> okay. let me start at the beginning. I have some avi's, that whenever I play in totem-gstreamer, or xine-ui, the program crashes.
[02:09] <kingos> I think they use mp3 as the audio backend.
[02:09] <kingos> I can play mp3s in rhythmbox fine, but those apps playing videos crash.
[02:09] <kingos> any ideas?
[02:09] <cyberdude> but it's true i need my xp to burn the new iso i'm downloading
[02:09] <cyberdude> i don't have a burner on this pc
[02:10] <Fikrann> cyberdude: you should not have problems burning it.
[02:10] <HawkeVIPER> kingos, you checked the logs?
[02:10] <cyberdude> hehe
[02:10] <cyberdude> thnx
[02:11] <kingos> HawkeVIIPER: no, where are they?
[02:11] <Fikrann> kingos: look for RestrictedFormats on ubuntuguide.org
[02:12] <dooglus> I'm using 'mplayer' to watch a movie.  Is there any way to get the people's mouths to move in time with what they're saying?  It's about a second out.
[02:13] <dooglus> Looks like it's been badly dubbed, but it hasn't been dubbed.
[02:14] <Xappe> hmm, are there any nvu .debs out there for i386? the only contribution I find on their site is for ppc (and that is nice too, since I can use that one on my ibook)
[02:14] <Kingmilo> does Totem need extra plugins to play DVD's ?
[02:14] <Fikrann> dooglus: check if you have no sound daemons running while you run mplayer. Especally esd. }:>
[02:15] <jind> I have a udev rules.list from another distro. How do I use it with ubuntu?
[02:15] <Avinoam> I hate totem, it crashes my pc
[02:16] <jind> Where do I place it and such? /etc/udev/rules.d/ does not work
[02:16] <GdCondor> how to find is my filesystem is reiserfs3 or reiserfs4 ???
[02:16] <Fikrann> Avinoam: why don't you use real media player? Try xine.
[02:16] <Avinoam> Fikrann I use mplayer it works almost flawlessly
[02:16] <dooglus> Fikrann: I have /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f running.  How do I ask it to stop?
[02:17] <REds> kill it
[02:17] <Avinoam> dooglus kill artsd
[02:17] <Fikrann> dooglus: killall artsd
[02:17] <Avinoam> what's the difference between kill and killall?
[02:18] <dooglus> it didn't make any difference.  mplayer is using alsa: AO: [alsa]  48000Hz 2ch Signed 16-bit (Little-Endian) (2 bps)
[02:18] <Methynutnut> Avinoam: kill works on PID, killall will terminate all processes with the given executable name
[02:18] <Avinoam> what the hell is PID?
[02:18] <dooglus> Avinoam: "Process IDentifier"
[02:18] <Methynutnut> process ID. Each process on the system is assigned a number which it is identified by
[02:18] <Avinoam> i see
[02:18] <govo> 
[02:19] <eks> Avinoam: try: ps aux
[02:19] <johan_> has anyone managed to install a radeon
[02:19] <Methynutnut> 
[02:19] <govo> 
[02:19] <Chetic> wtf
[02:19] <Avinoam> Tell me, if i want to, can i boot into ubuntu without X?
[02:19] <Chetic> what the hell
[02:19] <cyberdude> yeps
[02:19] <Fikrann> johan_:  yes
[02:19] <Methynutnut> 
[02:19] <cyberdude> recovery
[02:19] <Chetic> I have japanese support :D
[02:19] <cyberdude> cool
[02:19] <cyberdude> ohaiu
[02:19] <Nermal> utf8 rocks
[02:19] <Avinoam> i want drivers but no X sometimes
[02:19] <cyberdude> lol
[02:19] <Methynutnut> lol
[02:19] <Chetic> no I mean like ""
[02:19] <baijiazi> -_-
[02:19] <Chetic> you probably just see ?'s :p
[02:19] <Avinoam> can i do killall gnome?
[02:19] <Methynutnut> I think govo is talking in chinese
[02:20] <Nermal> you can do a killall gnome-session
[02:20] <dooglus> Avinoam: yes...
[02:20] <Chetic> oh Methynutnut, sorry.. not that easy for me to tell :P
[02:20] <johan_> fikran where did you get youre drivers
[02:20] <govo> yes ,I am Chinese
[02:20] <cyberdude> zhang
[02:20] <johan_> i could only find rpm on ati
[02:20] <Fikrann> Avinoam: you'll best try slay
[02:20] <cyberdude> ;0
[02:20] <dooglus> Avinoam: get 'sysv-rc-conf' and use it to disable 'gdm' in runlevel 2.  then edit /etc/inittab and change the default runlevel to 2
[02:21] <ja> I tried to 'cat' a binary file and now my display on tty2 is all fucked up, (the charachters are all weird) can I fix it without restarting?
[02:21] <Chetic> govo, please teach me your language
[02:21] <Methynutnut> Chetic: I was speaking Japanese though, yes
[02:21] <Chetic> oh Methynutnut cool
[02:21] <Fikrann> ja: type reset<enter>
[02:21] <Avinoam> dooglus why not just killall?
[02:21] <govo> Chetic , I am happy to
[02:21] <Chetic>  <-what does that mean? I've seen it before
[02:21] <johan_> Fikrann: where did you get driver for the radeon
[02:21] <Methynutnut> in japanese at least, it's the kanji for "big"
[02:21] <govo> big
[02:21] <Chetic> ah
[02:21] <dooglus> Avinoam: you wanted to boot into 'not X'
[02:22] <Chetic> govo, do you have MSN, ICQ or AIM?
[02:22] <Methynutnut> the meanings are similar between japanese & chinese, since Japan stole the chinese symbols
[02:22] <Avinoam> ah true true
[02:22] <Avinoam> and then how to start X over again? with Startx?
[02:22] <ja> Fikrann: Thanks :)
[02:22] <Nermal> erm.. can do
[02:22] <dooglus> Avinoam: do "init 3" to start gdm and "init 2" to stop it again
[02:22] <govo> Yes
[02:22] <Choubaka> stole. :D
[02:22] <Chetic> govo, PM
[02:22] <Choubaka> You can't steal immaterial things. :)
[02:22] <cyberdude> lol
[02:23] <dooglus> Choubaka: you can steal ideas, surely?
[02:23] <govo> PM? what does it mean?
[02:23] <dooglus> Choubaka: you can steal copies of documents from someone's computer?
[02:23] <Avinoam> there is a command init 2?
[02:23] <dooglus> Avinoam: there is a command 'init'
[02:23] <dooglus> Avinoam: '2' is an argument to that command; a parameter
[02:23] <Choubaka> dooglus: no, you can't steal ideas.
[02:23] <Chetic> govo, the private message
[02:23] <Avinoam> can i do man init?
[02:23] <Methynutnut> govo: the /msg command
[02:24] <dooglus> Avinoam: sure
[02:24] <johan_> yes Avinoam
[02:24] <dooglus> sbin/telinit is linked to /sbin/init.  It takes a one-character argument and signals init to perform the appro
[02:24] <Choubaka> you can be a bastard and benefit from someone else's idea before they do, but it's not stealing :P
[02:24] <dooglus>        priate action.
[02:24] <tyler_> why is it now when i go on starcraft the words are so small i cant read it.
[02:24] <Fikrann> Choubaka: copyright law is for all types of 'stealing ideas'
[02:25] <Choubaka> I don't like the phrase "stealing ideas"
[02:25] <Choubaka> copyright protects tangible things.
[02:25] <egil> Hello
[02:25] <Avinoam> anyone here running an intel 845 or 855 series video card?
[02:25] <tyler_> .
[02:25] <Avinoam> Fikrann did you manually install a driver?
[02:26] <tyler_> no
[02:26] <Fikrann> Avinoam: no.
[02:26] <egil> just finished installing ubuntu on my Dell Latitude D610, seems to work well. One thing though, whats my rcon password ;)
[02:26] <Avinoam> Fikrann and your acceleration is working fine?
[02:26] <stjepan> hi
[02:26] <Choubaka> Ideas cannot be copyrighted ./
[02:26] <stjepan> I have ethernet
[02:26] <Choubaka> That would be software patents. .P
[02:26] <stjepan> I have enabled it
[02:26] <egil> I wasn't asked to set one during installation.
[02:26] <stjepan> "Network cable is not connected"
[02:26] <stjepan> what is the problem?
[02:27] <stjepan> (I have ADSL)
[02:27] <Choubaka> It's "We thought of it first" vs. "We did it first"
[02:27] <stjepan> I have wlan
[02:27] <Nermal> stjepan, more info needed... type of adsl connection.. ifconfig output, dmesg output, etc
[02:27] <Nermal> use pastebin
[02:27] <stazz> egil: rcon?-)
[02:27] <stjepan> adsl connection USB wlan
[02:27] <Fikrann> Avinoam: Yes, after I restart X .. after suspend/resume it stops.
[02:28] <stjepan> but I want to connect with ethernet in linux
[02:28] <egil> heh yep, unless one of my buddies is playing a trick on me... was away from my computer during install
[02:28] <egil> came back to a login screen, and cant login as root
[02:28] <johan_> i would really appreciate if you could tell me whre you got the drivers for the radeon Fikrann
[02:28] <egil> ah... yeah rcon = root.. to much gameserver admining :)
[02:28] <govo> Thanks
[02:28] <stjepan> help
[02:29] <egil> stazz, does ubuntu normally ask you to set a root password during installation?
[02:29] <Fikrann> johan_: ATI website.
[02:29] <johan_> they only have rpm's
[02:29] <stazz> egil: nope.
[02:29] <tyler_> why is it now when i try to play any game everything is realllyy small, anyway i can fick this?
[02:29] <stazz> egil: ubuntu uses sudo, and the root password is supposed to be unknown to the user
[02:30] <johan_> do you use alien or rpm2tgz after
[02:30] <dooglus> egil: ubuntu doesn't set a root password by default.  you can't log in as root by default
[02:30] <egil> mkay... is there a default password.
[02:30] <Avinoam> fikrann do you use cedega?
[02:30] <dooglus> egil: there's no root password
[02:30] <stazz> egil: No. read the documentation about sudo
[02:30] <Fikrann> johan_:  use alien or rpm2tgz (better) to extract the driver.
[02:30] <egil> ok i guess i need to.
[02:30] <johan_> thanks
[02:30] <dooglus> egil: use "sudo passwd" if you want to set one, but it's best to just use "sudo -s" to get a root shell
[02:30] <Fikrann> Avinoam: no, I sincerely hate transgaming software.
[02:30] <egil> hmm ok
[02:31] <Avinoam> fikrann I see. Tell me, did your computer ever crash when using totem?
[02:31] <stjepan> I have USB wlan
[02:31] <stjepan> It is connected to USB
[02:31] <stjepan> how to connect it to network card?
[02:31] <stazz> egil: do not enable root, unless you have a really good reason to do it
[02:31] <stjepan> (stupid question)
[02:31] <johan_> can i apt-get rpm2tgz
[02:31] <Fikrann> Avinoam: Many times. Install totem-xine if you >really< need that thing.
[02:31] <govo> Is somebody here a Chinese?
[02:32] <Avinoam> Fikrann I had thought that it was codecs. Mplayer solved the bug
[02:32] <Avinoam> Fikrann under Mplayer i get a repeated error about unsupported fonts but i find that more acceptable than system crashes
[02:33] <Fikrann> Avinoam: totem is buggy in ways I can't even express. The only thing it can do well is to show the Synaesthesia output while playing audio CD.
[02:33] <debugger> hi
[02:33] <govo> My Mplayer , realplayer and xmms do not work
[02:33] <Avinoam> Time for a smoke break
[02:34] <govo> Avinoam is a smoker?
[02:34] <dooglus> anyone know how I can get the sound and video in sync in mplayer?
[02:34] <Avinoam> yup
[02:34] <Fikrann> dooglus: I suggest you read mplayer's man page.
[02:35] <dooglus> Fikrann: ok, I'll try that.  That will stop me noticing that the picture and sound are out of step...
[02:35] <Fikrann> heh
[02:35] <Fikrann> Anyway .. worktime. See you all.
[02:36] <dooglus> mplayer's man page is almost 5000 lines long!
[02:36] <HawkeVIPER> mplayer > *
[02:37] <johan_> where can you get rpm2tgz
[02:37] <shanon> dooglus: you can use + and - to change the audio delay
[02:38] <dooglus> shanon: that's super cool, thanks
[02:38] <shanon> dooglus: np
[02:40] <sebby> Hi there.. i really desperately need to install windows on a second partition on my drive, but i am using lilo as a bootmanager
[02:40] <sebby> could someone possibly assist me in migrating to grub?
[02:41] <dooglus> sebby: I have windows, mandriva and ubuntu on the same hard disk and chose between the 3 using lilo.
[02:41] <dooglus> sebby: why do you think you need to migrate to grub?
[02:41] <Guerin> sebby: apt-get install grub grub-doc ; grub-install /dev/hda ; update-grub
[02:41] <sebby> Oh, well i've just used grub as the switching manager.
[02:42] <Guerin> sebby: all with ssudo, natch
[02:42] <sebby> if i can use lilo, even better.
[02:43] <sebby> okay from what i see here
[02:43] <Avinoam> back from smoking
[02:44] <paringas> i've got a pIII laptop with 128 ram. i m running kubuntu. i open opera, azureus and xterm and that's it, after that everything becomes unbareably slow. sure i can run kde with these apps with snappy performance. i've got like 3 pages of modullees loaded by default, but i think i got rid of a few startup processes. could anybody suggest something, please? or should i consider switching to fluxbox?
[02:44] <dooglus> paringas: in a terminal, run "top".  what process, if any, is using lots of CPU?
[02:45] <Guerin> paringas: use a smaller wm. kde can be a dog on low ram.
[02:45] <Guerin> your bottleneck isn't cpu; it's ram. I can run kde fine on a p2-233 with 256 ram, but it's fugly on a p3-733 with 128
[02:45] <Avinoam> i love KDE!
[02:45] <Guerin> kde + appload, I mean
[02:46] <Guerin> the DE by itself is fine
[02:46] <Choubaka> paringas: You have way too low ram
[02:46] <Choubaka> Azureus uses 100MB :P
[02:46] <Choubaka> alone.
[02:46] <Avinoam> choubaka really?
[02:47] <Choubaka> yes, IME.
[02:47] <Guerin> azureus IS a dog for ram
[02:47] <Avinoam> paringas do you need to use azureus?
[02:47] <Avinoam> what can azureus do that bittornado can't?
[02:47] <Guerin> use bittornado, or better yet, libtorrent/rtorrent - though you'll have to build them yourself.
[02:48] <johan_> has anyone installed drivers for a 3d card (radeon)
[02:48] <Guerin> Avinoam: 1) require java shite 2) suck all your ram and cpu dry 3) be really slow 4) crash randomly
[02:48] <paringas> thanks for replying guys everything's just to slow for me to check fast:) i guess its java and azureus mostly then
[02:48] <shanon> does anyone know how to make vlc only use one screen for full screen mode if you are using xinerama
[02:49] <paringas> but kde isn't that snappy either to be honest
[02:49] <Avinoam> guerin i use azureus because it's eye candy but i could do without
[02:49] <dooglus> shanon: vlc won't, I don't think
[02:49] <dooglus> Avinoam: azureus is a big memory user
[02:50] <Choubaka> So is KDE
[02:50] <paringas> what's a good non-java/non-python bittorent client?
[02:50] <Avinoam> choubaka and what gnome isn't?
[02:50] <Choubaka> Never said so.
[02:50] <Avinoam> paringas what do you have against python?
[02:50] <Choubaka> Gnome and KDE both eat loads of RAM
[02:51] <shanon> dooglus: What do yoy mean it wont work? I works it just tries to use both my monitors for full screen
[02:51] <Choubaka> Avinoam: It eats memory too.
[02:51] <Guerin> paringas: libtorrent and rtorrent are c++; very fast, very lean cpu and ram usage.
[02:51] <xxenon> is there a guide to get a bootsplash ?
[02:51] <Guerin> paringas: not in ubunut or packaged for debian afaict, but they build cleanly.
[02:51] <orangerange> "top" says that  the CPU usage is low, but the "systems monitor" applet on my panel shows high CPU usage (100%). Where does the discrepancy lie?
[02:52] <Avinoam> choubaka well it needs to get coded somehow!
[02:52] <shanon> orangerange: try top -s1
[02:52] <shanon> or vmstat 1
[02:52] <Avinoam> by the way what is the fastest P2P?
[02:52] <orangerange> I did top -s1. what's the difference, shanon ?
[02:53] <paringas> Avinoam: don't want to install anything extra :)
[02:53] <Guerin> Avinoam: ftp between lan machines
[02:53] <Choubaka> Avinoam: But it uses more RAM than a C solution
[02:53] <Avinoam> guerin: lacking that possibility
[02:53] <Choubaka> a lot more
[02:53] <paringas> Guerin: thanks
[02:53] <sebby_> sorry my net died
[02:54] <Avinoam> choubaka yet a lot less than VB :)
[02:54] <orangerange> "top" tells the time of how long a program has been running, but does it go as far as "hours", or is it just Minutes:Seconds:Microseconds?
[02:54] <rg58sma> hi
[02:54] <orangerange> is there a way to find out who is using a particular nickname?
[02:54] <Avinoam> orange: hours=minutes / 60
[02:54] <rg58sma> i need to listen a page
[02:55] <orangerange> in chatroom, i mean.
[02:55] <rg58sma> http://www.fmrockandpop.com/v2/vivo.htm
[02:55] <rg58sma> this
[02:55] <sebby_> but hang on if i install windows now it will overwrite lilo
[02:55] <rg58sma> how to listen??
[02:55] <orangerange> Avinoam, oh, i see. thanks.
[02:55] <powerlinux> holas
[02:56] <rg58sma> http://www.fmrockandpop.com/v2/vivo.htm
[02:57] <powerlinux> alguien m puede ayudar?
[02:58] <orangerange> Avinoam, are you sure? I've had some windows open for many many hours (like 20 hours), and top's time give a small figure, such as  17:28.62.
[02:59] <Avinoam> If i use partition manager to resize my linux partition, it won't corrupt my file system, will it?
[02:59] <orangerange> I ran vmstat 1. what's the purpose of that? and how do i make it stop?
[02:59] <Avinoam> I wouldn't know
[03:00] <johan_> Section "Device"
[03:00] <johan_> 	Identifier	"ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon X300 SE (RV370)"
[03:00] <johan_> 	Driver		"fglrx"
[03:00] <johan_> 	BusID		"PCI:2:0:0"
[03:00] <johan_>         Option          "UseInternalAGPART" "no"
[03:00] <johan_> is this setting ok
[03:00] <johan_> sorry for that
[03:00] <johan_> i'm not sure with oiption line
[03:00] <johan_> Option
[03:00] <Nic> with mac moving to x86 do u think itll be easier to have a "wine" for mac programs rather than windows programs
[03:01] <Nic> seeing as osx is unix based
[03:01] <Nic> ?
[03:01] <Nic> i'm looking foward to having ableton live on linux :D
[03:01] <orangerange> Avinoam, please confirm about how "top" displays "time "
[03:01] <Avinoam> orangeorange i'm not sure
[03:03] <orangerange> can anyone tell me how to find out who is using a particular nickname? Someone seems to have taken the nickname that I've been using for a long time.
[03:05] <johan_> i do i log out of X
[03:05] <johan_> and back in
[03:05] <Thazza> Anyone know any issues with compling the new version of FluxBox on Horary???
[03:05] <johan_> i always forget
[03:05] <johan_> i'm on flux and its all good
[03:06] <jreed> breezy Q: when i install xserver-xorg 6.8.2-22, i get /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg as a symlink pointing to itself. anyone else seen this?
[03:06] <Rayen16> hi, do i need to start the Ubuntu installation on a 'different' way if I have HyperThreading ?
[03:06] <Thazza> johan_, I get a whole heap of errors when making it.. Did you complie yourself?
[03:07] <johan_> no
[03:07] <Thazza> johan_, Did you get a Binary?
[03:07] <johan_> i did apt-get
[03:08] <johan_> works fine
[03:08] <johan_> can someone tell me how to log off
[03:08] <johan_> i'm sure someone knows
[03:09] <chol> johan_, press exit in the menu?
[03:09] <Thazza> johan_,  I guess it is somewhere not in my sources.
[03:09] <chol> Thazza, have you checked so that you have all -dev libraries installed?
[03:09] <johan_> chol can you give more detail
[03:09] <chol> jreed, it says something about breezy in topic i believe
[03:10] <sha_yang> #indonesia
[03:10] <chol> johan_, it was flux you were running?
[03:10] <johan_> i just need to log off X, i'm sure at least one person here is not new to ubuntu
[03:10] <johan_> not it was, it is
[03:10] <jreed> yes it does! just non immediately visible in xchat. sorry for asking!
[03:10] <chol> johan_, use the exit-menu-item
[03:10] <johan_> i mean thats what i use now
[03:11] <chol> johan_, ctrl-alt-bs
[03:11] <chol> johan_,  [exit]  (Exit)
[03:11] <chol> johan_, what are you looking for??
[03:11] <johan_> chol the exit-menu-item brings me to the ubuntu login page
[03:12] <chol> johan_, and so it's supposed.. you mean stop the login manager
[03:12] <johan_> i just wanna go in something like init2
[03:12] <chol> johan_, ok, just do it then :)
[03:12] <chol> johan_, type init 2 or stop gdm
[03:12] <johan_> how do you stop gdm
[03:13] <johan_> cuz for some reason when i do init 2 nothing happen
[03:13] <chol> johan_, it's already in level 2.. debian has all in there
[03:14] <synd-> im speechelss
[03:14] <chol> johan_, just stop gdm by its init-script
[03:14] <sparkling> hi all, how i can install a program on a usb key with a live ubuntu distro for powerpc?
[03:15] <Methynutnut> sparkling: that's a lot of mucking around, is it really necessary?
[03:15] <sparkling> unfortunately yes
[03:16] <Methynutnut> well there's nothing really special about a USB key, you just have to mount it and tell your program to install itself there, which usually isn't too hard if you're compiling it, because you can use the prefix option on the configure script to set the install location
[03:17] <sparkling> mm ok..
[03:18] <orangerange> can anyone tell me how my computer can run slow even if 'top' says that my cpu usage is at 20%?
[03:18] <Methynutnut> orangerange: quite likely it's something else, like your hard drive subsystem that's running slowly
[03:18] <``endy> orangerange, low memory?
[03:19] <``endy> hi, i have a custom kernel and my nvidia drivers need to be re installed after every boot. anyone know why?
[03:19] <``endy> i get this in the nvidia log " Unable to access previously installed file
[03:19] <``endy>    '/usr/lib/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.1.0.7664' (No such file or directory).
[03:19] <``endy> -> Unable to access previously installed symlink
[03:19] <``endy>    '/usr/lib/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.1' (No such file or directory).
[03:19] <``endy> "
[03:19] <``endy> :)
[03:19] <orangerange> Methynutnut, ``endy , could it have something to do with what the systems monitor applet is showing me:  a high IOwait level?
[03:19] <Methynutnut> Yes, that would easily be the cause of a slow system
[03:19] <orangerange> anyway, Methynutnut, what do you mean by HD subsystem? I have only one hard drive.
[03:20] <orangerange> ``endy, do you refer to RAM?
[03:20] <``endy> i was but it was just a guess
[03:20] <Methynutnut> orangerange: by hard drive subsystem I refer to the hard drive along with its interface on the motherboard
[03:20] <hayden> i have a 15GB fat32 partition how can i make the partition my users /home/username folder
[03:21] <orangerange> Methynutnut, so  is your idea of HD subsystem directly related to IOWait? or do they have nothing to do with each other?
[03:21] <Methynutnut> orangerange: I'm not sure myself, but IOwait could refer to either your hard drive or your memory, neither of which are directly related to your CPU
[03:21] <Methynutnut> how much RAM do you have?
[03:22] <orangerange> Methynutnut, i have 250 ram. the system monitor applet is so unpredicatable at this hour: one moment it's down to 10%, the next moment, it's at 100%.
[03:23] <orangerange> and about my harddrive, i have quite a number of Gigs of free space still remaining.
[03:23] <``endy> gkrellm is probably a better monitor app
[03:23] <orangerange> Methynutnut, okay, now it's all hushed up.
[03:23] <Methynutnut> ok then. I can't really tell you much else, other than it probably isn't your CPU that's making your system slow
[03:24] <sparkling> does ubuntu live cd have gnucash preinstalled on cd?
[03:24] <orangerange> Methynutnut, so you're saying: when the sysmonitor applet shows high cpu usage, it's got nothing to do with my CPU? I'm a bit confused.
[03:25] <Methynutnut> It does, but you said it was only on 20%?
[03:25] <orangerange> ``endy, is that so? I tried running gkrellm, but i don' have it. what makes it a better monitor app?
[03:25] <``endy> i'm assuming the applet you are using is very basic
[03:25] <orangerange> Methynutnut, in top, the number could be small, but it "contradicts" the graph shown in the sysmonitor applet.
[03:26] <Methynutnut> well you have to decide which is telling the truth, then
[03:26] <Methynutnut> mine agrees perfectly
[03:26] <hayden> i have a 15GB fat32 partition how can i make the partition my users /home/username folder
[03:26] <orangerange> Methynutnut, i put "contradict" in quotation marks because I think that they are not in conflict with each other. Probably I just don't know how to read them.
[03:27] <Methynutnut> In that case, just use the top number
[03:27] <JPohlmann> Hey all. I've got a problem with ACPI and a Thinkpad R51 here. I'm using hibernate mode and whenever I re-activate my notebook it starts and returns into the mode I get when calling "echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep". Any ideas?
[03:29] <``endy> anyone know why i have to reinstall the nvidia drivers (from nvidia site) for my custom kernel after every boot?
[03:29] <orangerange> Methynutnut, but it is when the applet shows high activity that my computer runs slow.
[03:29] <JPohlmann> The drama: "sudo /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh" => Notebook is suspended => Power button => Notebook wakes up, boots and finishes resuming => Immediate return into sleep mode.
[03:30] <Methynutnut> I don't understand, top and the applet display exactly the same information
[03:31] <``endy> heh, have you checked for rootkits?
[03:32] <``endy> thats a possible if unlikely cause for bad output from things like top
[03:33] <liwen> hi ,i want to ask some question about WINE
[03:33] <desplesda> liwen: see the topic :P just go ahead and ask the question
[03:33] <lotusleaf> liwen, ask away, and #winehq also exists for your WINE discussion pleasure :)
[03:33] <desplesda> don't ask if you can ask :)
[03:34] <liwen> thx
[03:35] <liwen> when i use #wine  XXXXX/office2000/setup.exe
[03:35] <liwen> err:module:import_dll Loading library shlwapi.dll (which is needed by L"C:\\Windows\\System\\shell32.dll") failed (error c0000020).
[03:35] <liwen> err:module:import_dll Loading library SHLWAPI.dll (which is needed by L"C:\\Windows\\System\\SHELL32.dll") failed (error c0000020).
[03:35] <liwen> err:module:import_dll Library SHELL32.dll (which is needed by L"Z:\\mydoc\\soft\\office2000\\setup.exe") not found
[03:35] <liwen> err:module:import_dll Loading library RPCRT4.dll (which is needed by L"C:\\Windows\\System\\ole32.dll") failed (error c0000020).
[03:35] <liwen> err:module:import_dll Loading library rpcrt4.dll (which is needed by L"C:\\Windows\\System\\ole32.dll") failed (error c0000020).
[03:35] <JPohlmann> Does nobody have an idea regarding my ACPI problem?
[03:35] <liwen> err:module:import_dll Library ole32.dll (which is needed by L"Z:\\mydoc\\soft\\office2000\\setup.exe") not found
[03:35] <liwen> err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"Z:\\mydoc\\soft\\office2000\\setup.exe" failed, status c0000135
[03:37] <``endy> liwen, use openoffice? ;)
[03:39] <liwen> yes i use openoffice.but some ppt document wrote in mathtype can`t display in openoffice
[03:39] <lotusleaf> liwen, have you tried that crossover program?
[03:39] <liwen> crossover?  not free.
[03:40] <lotusleaf> liwen, just a suggestion ;-)
[03:40] <liwen> hah
[03:40] <``endy> i've used it before and it ran MS office fine
[03:41] <liwen> really? endy
[03:41] <liwen> share some thing with us
[03:41] <``endy> yeah but afaik you still have to buy it
[03:41] <``endy> crossover that is
[03:42] <liwen> no crack here? :)
[03:42] <cody> Hello i need some help please
[03:42] <liwen> can talk some crack?   OP?
[03:43] <Nic> anyone know what the command to open a server window in xchat is, in a new tab, mirc used to be /server -m irc.whateva
[03:43] <cody> I have a networked windows PC i can see if i goto places>Network How can i add a short-cut or launcher to point to it? ( i have only been using Linux a couple days but i know alot about it).
[03:44] <``endy> nic,  /newserver
[03:44] <mark2> somebody here from germany?
[03:44] <liwen> china
[03:44] <Nic> champion, thanks
[03:44] <JPohlmann> mark2, yes.
[03:44] <cody> There any OP"S here?
[03:45] <mark2> i need help with my ubuntu^^
[03:45] <cody> so do i
[03:45] <JPohlmann> mark2, so what's your problem?
[03:45] <eks> mark2: #ubuntu-de
[03:45] <cody> can some one help me
[03:45] <eks> form german help :)
[03:45] <``endy> cody, i use "Places > Connect to server" that makes a shortcut.
[03:45] <mark2> thanks eks ;-)
[03:46] <cody> Yes ``endy but i have to then go thru like 6 folder's i want a short cut straight to that networked folder
[03:47] <eks> :)
[03:47] <``endy> yeah i think it allows you to choose the folder
[03:47] <liwen> linux support chinese poorly .
[03:47] <``endy> i got my ssh server connected like that, if i understand correctly
[03:47] <cody> yes but if i try to add a launcher or shortcut i cant see my networks under the browse for folder diloge
[03:48] <``endy> i don't know then
[03:48] <cody> Do you understadn what im trying todo?
[03:48] <``endy> no, lo
[03:48] <cody> ok
[03:49] <cody> IS THERE ANY ONE ELSE WHO CAN HELP ME???
[03:49] <Oberone> HA
[03:49] <Oberone> heh
[03:49] <cody> thanka anyways for your help ``eny
[03:49] <cody> ``endy**
[03:49] <``endy> np, didn't really help but hehe :)
[03:49] <cody> lol but thanks anyways
[03:50] <liwen> hehe,me 2
[03:50] <cody> I thought this was a help channel all these people here and no one can help?
[03:50] <cody> lol
[03:51] <liwen> i am just lilke you.newbie
[03:51] <cody> i see
[03:51] <cody> me to im a n00b only been using linux for about 4 days
[03:51] <cody> but
[03:51] <Oberone> actualy its a user channel not a paid help desk and most US users are at work - the best bet is to either wait or go back to simpler times....
[03:52] <liwen> haha, 2 weeks
[03:52] <lotusleaf> cody, there's also ubuntu forums
[03:52] <cody> i have a experienced linux user who helps me but hes not online
[03:52] <Oberone> I find just hanging out awnsers many more questions than getting frustrated and leaving though
[03:52] <Nic> so wait till he is :)
[03:52] <cody> Whos on?
[03:52] <liwen> cody,before linux ,what OS you use?
[03:53] <cody> XP and i still have it on my 2 comps
[03:53] <cody> and work with it and install it all the time
[03:53] <liwen> how much one copy of XP in your country
[03:53] <synd-> cody, you install it all the time : )
[03:54] <cody> lol
[03:54] <liwen> cody?
[03:54] <cody> ok for a full copy it is $96 USD and i can install one copy on upto 2 computers
[03:54] <synd-> Amaranth, you there?
[03:54] <cody> IM in USA
[03:54] <tiglionabbit> 2 computers, really?
[03:54] <cody> yes
[03:54] <cody> used to be 5
[03:55] <liwen> so expensive
[03:55] <cody> But MS made it down to 2 now
[03:55] <liwen> i am in china
[03:55] <tiglionabbit> I wish I'd known that.  Back when I got the OS..
[03:55] <Guerin> windows pricing is the same worldwide
[03:55] <cody> og
[03:55] <cody> oh
[03:55] <cody> Easy to install
[03:55] <tiglionabbit> ah well, got ubuntu now
[03:55] <tiglionabbit> dual boot
[03:55] <cody> Wanna here a small werid story
[03:55] <cody> me to
[03:55] <cody> DUAL
[03:56] <liwen> i even dont know the price,winXP
[03:56] <cody> i got XP to run on a 99mhz comp with 4gig hd and 64mb ran its a little slow but it works enough to run a nice apache server
[03:56] <Helix_> Hi all !
[03:57] <cody> ill brb everyone
[03:57] <liwen> ubuntu is good desk OS
[03:57] <tiglionabbit> you what?  64mb ram with XP?  ...  and it's a windows server?
[03:57] <Helix_> I want to configure Synaptic in order to use a socks server, how can I do that ?
[03:57] <liwen> but chinese support not so well
[03:58] <Oberone> liwen, yould have to take that up with the chinese...;)
[03:59] <Helix_> Nobody knows ?
[03:59] <synd-> anyone read Dvorak's article about how he believes linux will be hurt the worst by Apple's move to x86?
[03:59] <goo> urgh. The python2.4-bsddb3 package lacks the bsddb185 module. Too bad :(
[04:00] <d3bian> what kinda socks do currentlu have installed in your system Helix
[04:00] <liwen> oberone,i will
[04:00] <tiglionabbit> why would linux be hurt by that?
[04:00] <Helix_> d3bian, it isn't in my system but on the intranet
[04:00] <rayen> hi, I want to compile my own kernel, do I need the linux headers for it ?
[04:00] <synd-> tiglionrabbit: you decide http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7BD0E8469A%2D28FC%2D415D%2D9281%2DC97B5FA2CA3D%7D&siteid=mktw&
[04:01] <Helix_> d3bian, I'm at school, and in order to access Internet, apps must pass through a socks5 server
[04:01] <tiglionabbit> I heard that even though Apple is moving to x86, they're still going to try to have specific hardware for it and make it hard to run on generic machines
[04:01] <Helix_> d3bian, a proxy-like
[04:01] <tiglionabbit> at least, that's what I gathered from the slashdot comments
[04:01] <d3bian> then if your in school u have to talk to your sysadmin for those kinda questions
[04:01] <d3bian> OOHHHH u want to use sysnaptic thru a proxy?
[04:01] <synd-> i agree, i cannot fathom Mac OS X running on little beige boxes.
[04:02] <Helix_> d3bian, no no, I have a userlogin & password
[04:02] <Helix_> d3bian, in order to use the proxy
[04:02] <Helix_> d3bian, but I don't know how to configure synaptic for that
[04:02] <synd-> but now that OS X is able to run on x86 architechures, then the ability to run on little beige boxes will be a bit easier.
[04:02] <synd-> is going to be able to run*
[04:02] <``endy> i'm sure someone will have it runnning on a regular pc very fast
[04:03] <d3bian> thats easy Helix
[04:03] <d3bian> go to settings
[04:03] <d3bian> then preferences
[04:03] <d3bian> then the network tab
[04:03] <d3bian> and put ur proxy info and u should be set
[04:03] <yaaar_work> word
[04:03] <chillywilly> anyone install version 2.80 of the mplayer plugin on hoary?
[04:03] <liwen> i hear about that in US or EUR one computer price half hardware half software?
[04:03] <liwen> really?
[04:03] <chillywilly> is there a package somewhere (most of them are version 2.70)
[04:05] <diego> liwen: depends on the computer...
[04:05] <Helix_> d3bian, I've already did it, but it doesn't work
[04:06] <liwen> i am very interesting with you all from EUP US(we call you western country)
[04:06] <liwen> hahhhhh
[04:07] <fan_gnr> hello
[04:07] <fan_gnr> hello guys
[04:07] <fan_gnr> anybody there?
[04:07] <diego> fan_gnr: hi
[04:07] <fan_gnr> hi
[04:07] <fan_gnr> i wanna write a CD
[04:07] <fan_gnr> how can i do that/>
[04:07] <fan_gnr> how can i plz!
[04:07] <diego> fan_gnr: how about some details? what do you want to write?
[04:07] <mjr> fan_gnr, the easiest, though a bit limited, way is to use Nautilus
[04:07] <fan_gnr> data
[04:07] <fan_gnr> nothing else
[04:08] <diego> fan_gnr: mjr's suggesting then
[04:08] <fan_gnr> but how do i do that in nautilus?
[04:08] <mjr> go to location burn:// with ctrl-l, for example
[04:08] <liwen> 
[04:09] <eyequeue> liwen?
[04:09] <mjr> ISO files can be burned directly by right-clicking
[04:09] <fan_gnr> how can i make a data CD using nautlius?
[04:09] <mjr> I just told you
[04:09] <fan_gnr> no its not an ISO
[04:09] <liwen> sorry my chinese input tools
[04:09] <something_else> has anyone here successfully read from an sd/mmc card reader?
[04:09] <BockBilbo> is there any easy way to change the encoding of a large amount of text files to UTF-8 ?
[04:10] <mjr> fan_gnr, I told you the other way too
[04:10] <eyequeue> liwen:  just wondering :)
[04:10] <BockBilbo> maybe a command in the shell?
[04:10] <fan_gnr> k
[04:10] <fan_gnr> fine
[04:10] <mjr> BockBilbo, recode sourceencoding..utf-8 *
[04:10] <mjr> you might have to install recode first, I don't think it's there by default
[04:10] <BockBilbo> i see
[04:10] <``endy> something_else, i've had the sd card reader on my printer working
[04:11] <mjr> (but should be just an apt-get away)
[04:11] <BockBilbo> mjr, im installing it now via apt
[04:11] <something_else> on your printer? :|
[04:11] <``endy> it just worked iirc. but you may need to edit your fstab
[04:11] <BockBilbo> show, after installing it, just use that
[04:11] <BockBilbo> right?
[04:11] <something_else> hmm ... i dunno
[04:11] <mjr> right
[04:11] <something_else> dmesg fails to show that a card has been input
[04:12] <Chetic> 3
[04:12] <something_else> where as lspci shows the card reader has been installed
[04:12] <Chetic> What tool should I use if I want to convert MP3 to WAV?
[04:12] <something_else> so im assuming it works, but have no idea as whether im supposed to mount this
[04:12] <``endy> did you try and manually mount it?
[04:12] <liwen> eyequeue, haha you know it is very difficult for our eastern to learn your language
[04:12] <tiglionabbit> chetic: audacity work for you?
[04:12] <something_else> well i would, if i could identify the device
[04:12] <BockBilbo> mjr,
[04:12] <BockBilbo> so see.. the files i need to recode to utf8 are php files
[04:12] <BockBilbo> so
[04:12] <JPohlmann> Chetic: Did you try mpg123 (or was it mpg321)?
[04:12] <mjr> Chetic, mpg321 for example
[04:12] <Chetic> tiglionabbit, we'll see
[04:13] <Chetic> ohh JPohlmann / mjr, I'll use that
[04:13] <liwen> chetic i see some japanese
[04:13] <eyequeue> liwen:  and vice versa :)
[04:13] <Chetic> liwen, excuse me :p
[04:13] <BockBilbo> should i do smtging like recode -s UTF-8 *.php
[04:13] <liwen> from japan?
[04:14] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  cp them in a subdir first?
[04:14] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  for i in work/* ...
[04:15] <mjr> BockBilbo, unless you know what you're doing, just recode source..utf-8 *php, where "source" is the charset they're currently encoded in
[04:15] <Chetic> liwen, nah just learning a lil bit
[04:16] <liwen> ok go ahead,chetic
[04:16] <E0x> hello
[04:16] <BockBilbo> mjr, is there a way to know whats the default encoding of a textfile?
[04:17] <Chetic> liwen, nah I just forgot to switch off the writing thing, was a mistake :p
[04:17] <mjr> BockBilbo, the locale settings back when they were created would be a clue
[04:17] <BockBilbo> .. the problem is that i didnt create those files
[04:17] <mjr> otherwise, not really; utf-8 can be heuristically recognized, but the others are trickier
[04:18] <cody> hey
[04:18] <cody> im back
[04:18] <cody> you what?  64mb ram with XP?  ...  and it's a windows server?????
[04:18] <liwen> chetic  ;)   you just learn japanese?
[04:18] <cody> yes
[04:18] <cody> it was a server
[04:18] <cody> and it was fast
[04:19] <cody> a 56k dial up person could down load a 1.2mb file in about 2 mins
[04:19] <mjr> BockBilbo, just make an educated guess. Eg. windows-1252 is likely to work for western stuff (it's also a superset of latin-1 which is a superset of ascii, so both of those will work too)
[04:19] <cody> on that what u say is slow server
[04:19] <BockBilbo> let me see
[04:19] <bwlang> cody:that takes almost no memory or cpu power ... a 386 could do just as well
[04:20] <cody> what now?
[04:20] <dooglus> I used to get about 5kb/s download using a 486 processor
[04:20] <E0x> i want takeoff the panel's and window manager ( metacity ) of gnome and put another window manager ( as main window manager ) but left the other gnome stuff like nautilus ( for manage icons on desktop too ) gnome-volume-manager , etc ( i dont mean uinstall , only dont load in the desktop startup )   , what i need read or check for do that ? ( sorry my english is not good ) ??
[04:20] <notos> is any form to emulate a F8 Key press from console?
[04:21] <slask3n> i have a server that runs in console only, and i want to kill a process (vsftpd) but i dont know the job ID for it to use kill.. are there any other ways to kill a process or how can i print the job IDs?
[04:21] <BockBilbo> mjr, windows-1252 is the one
[04:21] <``endy> ps aux | grep vsftpd
[04:21] <E0x> slask3n ps aux | grep vsftpd
[04:21] <cody> ok i was jsut saying i had this old system running XP home spk2 and was still fast for a webserver with apache specs on cpu was: 99mhz 64mb ram 4gig hd old but made a good fast server no matter what the specs were.
[04:21] <``endy> ;)
[04:21] <skul> jo
[04:21] <E0x> ``endy dont read my mind
[04:22] <BockBilbo> but doesnt seen to do the reencoding properly
[04:22] <E0x> :P
[04:22] <skul> wer de hel ar de
[04:22] <slask3n> E0x: thanks, ill try :)
[04:22] <cody> btw i have a question can someone help me?
[04:22] <skul> home work sucks
[04:22] <liwen> could someone have the truetype font "simsun.ttf"   DCC me a copy?
[04:23] <cody> I NEED HELP CARE TO HELP ME WITH A PROBLEM A SIMPLE ONE?
[04:23] <berniv6> cody: like fixing your keyboard? :-)
[04:23] <cody> lol
[04:23] <cody> i was getting ur attechen
[04:24] <chol> cody, read the topic please :)
[04:24] <tiglionabbit> just ask the question, cody.  Don't ask to ask
[04:24] <PrimoTurbo> Hi
[04:24] <Oberone> cody, http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[04:24] <PrimoTurbo> I just installed Ubuntu
[04:24] <tiglionabbit> good for you, primoturbo
[04:24] <PrimoTurbo> how do I change my refresh rate?
[04:24] <mjr> BockBilbo, if it's the one, it should work; you probably have some other problem
[04:24] <cody> ok i've had it and my very talented linux person is off line righ tnow
[04:24] <BockBilbo> mjr, yes
[04:25] <BockBilbo> ive fixed it
[04:25] <BockBilbo> :)
[04:25] <BockBilbo> thank you so much
[04:25] <cody> brb
[04:25] <Oberone> cody, Im trying to spare you some pain - you might want to read that.
[04:25] <PrimoTurbo> can someone please tell me how I would go about changing my refresh rate?
[04:25] <E0x> PrimoTurbo , firts , need find the HorizSync and Vertical Refresh range , of you monitor , second , need add that informacion to you xorg.conf file , something like HorizSync 30-85 , VertRefresh 50-160
[04:26] <E0x> PrimoTurbo read the man xorg.conf
[04:26] <E0x> too
[04:26] <chol> PrimoTurbo, look around the menus, i believe gnome has some resolution changer in it
[04:26] <PrimoTurbo> alright I will my monitor is a syncmaster 753DF btw
[04:27] <E0x> chol yes , but if are not set propery in the xorg.conf , that tool dont show him the all frequency
[04:27] <tiglionabbit> that is quite true, chol, primoturbo, hit system->preferences->resolution
[04:27] <tiglionabbit> oh
[04:27] <PrimoTurbo> yeah just changed it :)
[04:27] <tiglionabbit> lol, it doesn't let me change them
[04:27] <chol> E0x, isn't it so regarding xorg that if no horiz or vert is set it's dynamic?
[04:28] <Lie-Algebra> hello, i am thinking about buying a laptop and install ubuntu on it (dual boot) but i dont have the faintest idea of what could i buy, is there a brand more reliable than the other  ?
[04:28] <PrimoTurbo> how do I install ati drivers now? Is there a guide somewhere?
[04:28] <``endy> afaik you want to set the correct horiz and vert rates in the xorg.conf else you could possibly damange your monitor.
[04:28] <E0x> chol i think , if xorg dont detect the correct range for horiz and vert , him put a generic range that will work with any monitor
[04:28] <E0x> ``endy true
[04:28] <E0x> PrimoTurbo look in the ubuntu wiki
[04:28] <E0x> exist a guide about that
[04:29] <azevedo> how do I change the screen resolution
[04:29] <E0x> PrimoTurbo http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:30] <chol> xvidtune could be a good program to look at aswell
[04:30] <E0x> azevedo system->preferences->resolution
[04:30] <rayen> hi, i was wondering why apt-get doesn't have mplayer ?
[04:30] <E0x> azevedo but maybe you will need add the correct range on you xorg.conf file
[04:30] <PrimoTurbo> thnx
[04:30] <tiglionabbit> rayen: you need more repositories
[04:30] <E0x> rayen add the universe repository
[04:31] <dade`> i'm customizing a live distro ubuntu-hoary based
[04:31] <kruseborn> i have a problem with my mail, using postfix can anyone help me?
[04:31] <dade`> i'm asking who and how created initrd.gz
[04:31] <dade`> that boots the live distro
[04:31] <E0x> well i answer 3 question now somebody help me , :D
[04:31] <chol> dade`, mkinitrd
[04:31] <Chetic> What's the easiest way to make my computer speak? :p All these speech synthesis programs seem so damn advanced
[04:31] <jetscreamer> mkinitrd
[04:31] <E0x> i want takeoff the panel's and window manager ( metacity ) of gnome and put another window manager ( as main window manager ) but left the other gnome stuff like nautilus ( for manage icons on desktop too ) gnome-volume-manager , etc ( i dont mean uinstall , only dont load in the desktop startup )   , what i need read or check for do that ? ( sorry my english is not good ) ??
[04:31] <dade`> but there are customized scripts inside i think
[04:31] <dade`> because at boot starts the debian installer
[04:32] <chol> E0x, startup application or something
[04:32] <dade`> with some specific application
[04:32] <rayen> tiglionabbit,  how?
[04:32] <tiglionabbit> E0x: I don't know how to dissociate a window manager with a desktop environment, but apt has several desktop environments to choose from, such as xfce4, fluxbox, kubuntu, etc
[04:32] <``endy> E0x, afaik matecity is the only wm in gnome right now. what other wm do you want?
[04:32] <kruseborn> i am getting this message, i have work with my mail for a long time so i would be very pleased
[04:32] <kruseborn> Jun  7 16:19:35 localhost imap(tobbe): open() failed with file /home/tobbe/Maildir/.Sent/cur/1118150439.P8579Q0M969949.ubuntu:2,S: Permission denied
[04:32] <kruseborn> Jun  7 16:19:35 localhost imap-login: Login: tobbe [127.0.0.1] 
[04:32] <kruseborn> Jun  7 16:19:35 localhost imap(tobbe): utime() failed with index file /home/tobbe/Maildir/.INBOX/.imap.index: Operation not permitted
[04:32] <tiglionabbit> rayen: wanna modify sources.list or do it in synaptic?
[04:33] <hayden> does anyone have a script that i can use to connect to a wireless router with wpa security, i want just a shell script that i can run when i want to connect
[04:33] <azevedo> E0x, where is xorg.conf
[04:33] <``endy> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:33] <tiglionabbit> azevedo: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:34] <``endy> try "locate xorg.conf"
[04:34] <cody> lol i have been working on this file
[04:34] <rayen> tiglionabbit, i already found it :)
[04:34] <cody> sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:34] <tweakism> I'm trying to use http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelBuildpackageDetailedHowto to build a kernel package without a specific patch, but it doesn't use 00list-0.2custom (or 00list-0.2), it uses 00list-0.1, and I don't know why.
[04:35] <kruseborn> anyone have time for me???
[04:35] <xMaximex> d
[04:35] <tweakism> say my name if you talk to me.
[04:35] <Chetic> What's the name of a SIMPLE TTS program?
[04:35] <tiglionabbit> say, can someone give me tips on configuring xorg?  I've added some strings to the "Modes" lines, but it doesn't seem to have changed anything.  How do I do it properly?
[04:36] <E0x> ``endy i want stay with the gnome tool , like automount my ipod , icons in the desktop , but i dont want stay with the gnome stuff , like they window manager and panels
[04:36] <E0x> ``endy i want use a another wm
[04:36] <tiglionabbit> E0x: kubuntu-desktop has the same features
[04:37] <E0x> tiglionabbit i dont want kde stuff :D
[04:37] <E0x> i prefer gtk
[04:37] <``endy> E0x, you could just run the gnome daemons and nautilus from another desktop, for example xfce like someone suggested
[04:37] <E0x> hmm
[04:37] <E0x> ok
[04:37] <``endy> i used to use nautilus in fluxbox
[04:37] <moot> tiglionabbit, use the desktop guide provided by gentoo.org
[04:37] <chol> E0x, there is a preference somewhere regarding wm
[04:38] <stazz> E0x: you can always run nautilus on top of fluxbox/fvwm for example
[04:38] <stazz> E0x: but nautilus will most likely override the flux/fvwm menus
[04:38] <stazz> E0x: the sanes option is to give up nautilus completely, in favor of .. idesk/rox, and use it as the mere filemanager. you *can* use HAL (automount-thing) with other wm's very easily
[04:38] <E0x> but i dont only want nautilus , i want the cool gnome-volumen-manager ( when i connect my ipod or other remove unit , a icon appert in the desktop )
[04:39] <stazz> E0x: just start the volume manager.
[04:39] <stazz> obvious, isn't it?-)
[04:39] <cody> I need help with my network? i want to had a shortcut to a folder deep inside my network on a XP home networked PC *(please use my name cody when answering)*
[04:40] <johan_> i stil havent got my radeon set properly this thing is hard to setup
[04:40] <johan_> anyone with good advice
[04:40] <E0x> stazz sorry genius , but i dont how gnome stuff work and i dont know what i need and what not
[04:40] <goo> johan_: thanks for telling us.
[04:40] <goo> ah
[04:40] <stazz> E0x: you're not making any sense
[04:40] <cody> Hey Johan
[04:40] <johan_> hey
[04:40] <E0x> nevermind
[04:40] <cody> goto this channel for good help in ATI
[04:41] <cody> #ATI
[04:41] <Chetic> How can I freakin' use TTS in GNU/Linux?
[04:41] <moot> cody, mount the samba share to a dir and then create a shortcut on the desktop
[04:42] <yaaar_work> Chetic: what's TTS?
[04:42] <Rulli> halooo
[04:43] <eyequeue> trouble ticket system?
[04:43] <``endy> table tennis server, lol :P
[04:43] <``endy> nah its text to speech yeah?
[04:43] <kruseborn> i got ".INBOX/.imap.index: Permission denied" with postfix? can anyone help me
[04:44] <Rulli> may i join up?
[04:44] <eyequeue> sudo apt-get install request-tracker3.2
[04:44] <eyequeue> or egroupware-tts - eGroupWare trouble ticket system application
[04:44] <tiglionabbit> moot: that guide isn't very detailed.  I have customized my xorg.conf file already to add support for my tablet screen, and don't want to regenerate it
[04:45] <chol> kruseborn, check file permissions and then check if it's an ubuntu specific error
[04:45] <Azmarael> Guh
[04:45] <Azmarael> That was messed.
[04:45] <kruseborn> chol, i have change mod to 777
[04:45] <chol> kruseborn, thats so wrong..
[04:45] <goldfish> lol
[04:45] <Azmarael> I managed to save a file from Ubuntu so I can access it from doze, but the formatting, oh DEAR GOD the formatting!
[04:45] <eyequeue> or phpgroupware-tts - phpGroupWare tts module
[04:45] <kruseborn> :)
[04:46] <Chetic> yaaar_work, Text-To-Speech
[04:46] <kruseborn> what mod should i change to
[04:46] <goldfish> Azmarael: what kind of file
[04:46] <Chetic> How can I use Text-To-Speech in GNU/Linux?!
[04:46] <Azmarael> Just a text file
[04:46] <Azmarael> goldfish...
[04:46] <goldfish> kk
[04:46] <gjorans_> hey. I cant get ubuntu installation go past "configuring apt" - Setting up primary installation repository. Tried with and without network. Tried to redownload the iso, the computer have internetconnection. what can solve this?
[04:46] <mjr> Chetic, install festival and go from there
[04:46] <gjorans_> it is ubuntu 5.04
[04:47] <mjr> I think the gnome accessibility things can use festival for speech rendering too
[04:47] <gjorans_> on x86
[04:47] <Chetic> mjr, festival is for like.. coders and people with 500 years to waste
[04:47] <chol> kruseborn, i don't know.. sorry to say but perhaps #postfix could help you better since this channel i believe aims to be about ubuntu
[04:47] <kruseborn> k i try that
[04:47] <eyequeue> Chetic:  apt-cache search text-to-speech
[04:48] <gjorans_> I have checked that the computer gets ip etc.
[04:48] <mjr> Chetic, ok then
[04:48] <gjorans_> any other tip on what I can do?
[04:48] <justin> gjorans_: look at the other consoles
[04:49] <gjorans_> justin, yes. thats where I checked that the computer got ip.
[04:49] <gjorans_> it stops after generating locales.
[04:49] <gjorans_> Generation complete. and then it stopes
[04:49] <justin> gjorans_: use the console with the shell and run ps to see what it is doing
[04:49] <gjorans_> no errormsg or anything.
[04:50] <gjorans_> could it be apt-setup?
[04:50] <orgie> Hi
[04:50] <gjorans_> it is a lot of prosesses
[04:51] <orgie> I've a Problem, could anybody help me?
[04:51] <gjorans_> justin, apt-cdrom is allso running
[04:51] <antiPosix> could or can?  somebody or anybody?
[04:51] <srockett> you're in the right place orgie :)
[04:51] <orgie> I want to mount my Camera
[04:51] <justin> gjorans_: you can always try killing it, or just try conrol-c on the main console
[04:52] <orgie> and now there are no /dev/sda1 2 3 etc
[04:52] <gjorans_> it doesnt do anything when I do ctrl-c
[04:52] <gjorans_> but I will try to kill it
[04:52] <antiPosix> orgie: is it USB?  try mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera(if you've created a camera mountpoint)
[04:52] <orgie> usb yes
[04:52] <srockett> you'll probably need a -t vfat on the end of that
[04:52] <orgie> I said: there is no /devsda1
[04:52] <antiPosix> orgie: lsmod and see is sg is in the list
[04:53] <gjorans_> it say no such prosess even though ps shows them when I try to kill the PID.
[04:53] <antiPosix> orgie: and maybe scsi-mod or something along those lines.  if not try modprobe sg
[04:53] <orgie> the problem ist: there is no entry in /dev "sda1 sda2 sda3 etc
[04:53] <kleydson> could someone help-me? i'd like to manage the ubuntu principal menu, in the gnome, but it don't works good
[04:53] <srockett> i've had that before when trying to mount a flash drive
[04:53] <srockett> there is no sda
[04:53] <antiPosix> orgie: are you thinking its a devfs problem?  I dont know about ubuntu's use of devfs(or if it even uses it)
[04:53] <srockett> if it wasnt for the automount i'd be baffled
[04:54] <orgie> antiPosix, sg is not in the lis
[04:54] <orgie> list
[04:54] <antiPosix> orgie: type modprobe sg
[04:54] <gjorans_> justin, sorry. it errored when I killed them and could try it manualy and then go on :) thanx. that bought me out of the loop
[04:54] <antiPosix> orgie: and maybe modprobe scsi_mod
[04:54] <orgie> I'done modprobe sg
[04:55] <antiPosix> do you have a /dev/sda1
[04:55] <orgie> scsi_mod not found
[04:56] <orgie> NO THERE IS NO /DEV/SDA1
[04:56] <antiPosix> orgie: do you have a usb_uhci in the list?  It may be in the kernel(I dont know ubuntu's distro very well)
[04:56] <antiPosix> orgie: no need for caps man.  I was hoping loading the scsi module sg would create sd entries
[04:57] <orgie> oh yes, sorry
[04:57] <justin> antiPosix: it is called sg and not sd for a reason, sg has nothing to do with disks
[04:57] <antiPosix> justin: just trying to help.   I dont claim to be all knowing
[04:57] <antiPosix> I recall sg had to be loaded before I could get my olyumpus camera to work
[04:57] <Azmarael> Anyone able/willing to teach a complete nub how to get an adsl or dialup modem working under Ubuntu?
[04:58] <jetscreamer> man pppoeconf
[04:58] <jetscreamer> and pppconf
[04:58] <Azmarael> Ahuh. And I do what with them?
[04:58] <shop> what u talking bout ? confused
[04:58] <antiPosix> justin: from SCSI subsystem docs: "All types of SCSI devices are accessible via the sg driver."
[04:58] <orgie> what can I do now?
[04:59] <justin> antiPosix: notice how it says "accessible", that does not mean you can actually do anything useful with it
[04:59] <antiPosix> ask someone knowledgable about what ubuntu uses for devfs.
[04:59] <justin> there is a separate module with scsi disks for a reason... and there is also a hotplug program too
[04:59] <shop> y u ignoring me
[04:59] <antiPosix> justin: but its still a required module for the scsi subsystem
[04:59] <kleydson> the command "appilcation:///" don't run in the "nautilus", how can i edit the menus? someone knows?
[04:59] <housetier> Azmarael "man pppoeconf" will tell you some stuff about the program pppoeconf; usually you then run the program to get your things done. in the case of pppoeconf this is also true, it will ask a few questions so you should have your "online info" at hands
[05:00] <justin> antiPosix: no, it's not
[05:00] <antiPosix> orgie: modprobe sd_mod and scsi_mod
[05:00] <Azmarael> housetier: what if I have no drivers (and cannot find any) for the modems?
[05:00] <antiPosix> orgie: and disregard justin and I's dispute
[05:01] <housetier> Azmarael then you will have to tell us so, preferrably with an error message
[05:01] <orgie> antiPosix: I#ve done, but nothing has changed
[05:01] <housetier> Azmarael also information (brand etc) about the modems (plural?) might be of interest
[05:01] <Azmarael> housetier: Where could I find the error message? In network devices, eth0 (NIC) is fine and dandy, but PPP0 isnt. It wont be detected.
[05:01] <shop> stuff u
[05:02] <antiPosix> orgie: do you have a command(script) available to you called MAKEDEV
[05:02] <Azmarael> housetier: adsl modem is a globespan virata, or dlink, ALH181. Dialup is a Swann Netspeed
[05:02] <Azmarael> Sorry, swann speed demon
[05:02] <orgie> antiposix: don't know
[05:02] <bart_> hi
[05:03] <Azmarael> housetier: I have an "lspci -v" if it helps...
[05:03] <justin> antiPosix: MAKEDEV is not going to help either
[05:03] <orgie> sorry, butI must go now, was not time enough, I know, thank you antiPosix, i'll be here later
[05:03] <housetier> Azmarael what program do you run, and what is its error message?
[05:03] <orgie> ciao
[05:04] <Azmarael> I havent tried running anything as yet. Are you saying if I just boot up Ubuntu, and type "pppoeconf" in the terminal, it will configure the modem?
[05:04] <tiglionabbit> okay, it is entirely too easy to accidentally hit alt-F4 on a laptop keyboard while using irssi
[05:04] <antiPosix> justin: if you know the answer to his question, why not tell him.
[05:05] <toran> :O
[05:05] <toran> wikipedia's down
[05:05] <justin> antiPosix: which question? I just saw you telling him incorrect things that won't help with anything
[05:05] <antiPosix> he wants to mount a USB device(typically on my system it is /dev/sda1(the first available SCSI disk)
[05:06] <antiPosix> but he lacks any entries in his /dev for sd
[05:06] <housetier> Azmarael pppoeconf should ask you a bunch of questions (username password), it will also attempt to detect which nic the modem is connected to, then it will set up the ppp device. I believe this is all explained in the man page
[05:06] <scorpix> when will the next ubuntu colony will release?
[05:06] <justin> which usb device?
[05:06] <justin> is it a usb device that is supposed to show up as a disk? helps to know..
[05:06] <housetier> Azmarael furthermore I believe there is a wiki page explaining this :)
[05:06] <Azmarael> Ah i apologise for not explaining this earlier housetier... Its an internal adsl modem
[05:07] <Azmarael> Sorry housetier, but like I said, Im a complete nub to linux. First install ever right here.
[05:07] <antiPosix> justin: a camera with flash memory.  he is gone so it is pointless to continue to discuss it
[05:08] <housetier> Azmarael well as I have no experience with internal dsl modems its up to you to gather as much information as possible, there is the ubuntu wiki (searchable), the mailing list (searchable?), and most likely a forum as well. and there is IRC :) maybe someone else can help you
[05:08] <tiglionabbit> W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[05:08] <antiPosix> justin: I just assumed /dev/MAKEDEV -v sda1 would give him the entry needed(a link to the major and minor node numbers)
[05:08] <Azmarael> Thanks for the starter at least housetier.
[05:09] <tiglionabbit> Anyone know why it's not authenticating packages?
[05:09] <antiPosix> justin: or maybe a mknod command to make the instance
[05:09] <justin> antiPosix: nope, if he is using udev which he probably is, he is missing the device node because the device itself doesn't exist.  making the device node won't help
[05:09] <rayen> hi i am currently compiling my kernel (make menuconfig), I noticed that the 'help' feature sometimes says: Prompt: ...... support, does this mean that my PC is able to work with this feature /OR does this mean that my kernel is currently running this feature ?
[05:10] <justin> /dev/sda being missing is not the problem, it is the symptom of another problem
[05:10] <housetier> Azmarael I hope you get it sorted :)
[05:10] <chol> rayen, it probably means that the kernel developers hasn't written any help yet
[05:10] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  try rerunning sudo apt-get update
[05:10] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: I have
[05:11] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  try another mirror short-term?  no other ideas
[05:11] <Azmarael> housetier: You and me both. If I can get online using Ubuntu, Windows goes even further out the window
[05:11] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: that is the main mirror.  Any package I select seems to be from it
[05:11] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  drop the us. part perhaps?
[05:11] <Chetic> How do I link /dev/dsp1 to /dev/dsp so all the audio applications will shut the hell up?
[05:12] <SeamusLP> chetic: ln -s /dev/dsp /dev/dsp1 I think
[05:12] <SeamusLP> as root (sudo)
[05:13] <chol> the other way around though
[05:13] <Chetic> file exists
[05:13] <chol> what you have to what you want
[05:13] <SeamusLP> yeah other way around
[05:13] <Chetic> chol, "what you have to what you want" please translate :p
[05:14] <SeamusLP> chetic:  try sudo ln -s /dev/dsp1 /dev/dsp
[05:14] <chol> Chetic, yeah, you have dsp1 and want dsp, it was clear wasn't it :)
[05:14] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: same problem
[05:14] <Chetic> I did SeamusLP but it says "File exists"
[05:14] <Chetic> I want programs that look at /dev/dsp to look at /dev/dsp1 instead
[05:14] <tiglionabbit> these are the repositories that hoary has by default.  Shouldn't everyone be having this problem?
[05:14] <chol> Chetic, you typed the command twice but with the device files in different order?
[05:15] <Chetic> chol, I only did it one way, the way you said
[05:15] <SeamusLP> chetic:  You already have a /dev/dsp1
[05:15] <chol> Chetic, then both devices exist and the problem is no more?
[05:15] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  perhaps it's your key?
[05:15] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: what does that mean?
[05:15] <Chetic> chol, there has always been a /dev/dsp
[05:15] <fkz> hellas all
[05:15] <caonex> what is the command to modify printers from command line?
[05:16] <Chetic> SeamusLP, I want apps that look at /dev/dsp to be redirected to /dev/dsp1
[05:16] <chol> Chetic, then i misunderstood your q
[05:16] <caonex> i mean to run it in the terminal to get it in X
[05:16] <antiPosix> caonex: vi /etc/printcap?
[05:16] <chol> Chetic, then its the other way around again, but still what you have to what you want :)
[05:16] <caonex> antiPosix, nope, the program that gnome uses to edit printers, what is it?
[05:16] <Chetic> chol, all you're doing is confusing me! :(
[05:16] <chol> Chetic, hehe
[05:17] <fkz> i have one question. i cant use apt-get or the synaptic gui. i know that normaly this is because i cant use 2 programms with apt-get. but are other closed. also ps aux shows me all apt programms are closed. is there a file wich indicates that another programm is using apt
[05:17] <chol> Chetic, ln -s /dev/theonethatexists /dev/theoneyouwant
[05:17] <Chetic> they both exist!!
[05:17] <osiris_> Hi im using ubuntuguide.org with the repositries that they say you should have but still i cant install the software they show you how to install some of the software im trying to install are , w32codecs and flashplayer-mozilla . which cant be found in the source list
[05:17] <zAo^> can someone help met with win4lin? When the Windows-cd is ripped, I get an loadcd-error. Thanks
[05:17] <caonex> antiPosix, i just want to run it as a different user, root, instead of using sudo
[05:17] <chol> Chetic, but then you don't have the problem you described
[05:17] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[05:17] <chol> Chetic, config your applications to use the correct device
[05:17] <caonex> antiPosix, and i need to know the name of the program for me to execute it.
[05:18] <Chetic> chol, I DO NOT want to do that with EVERY single application. It is EXTREMLY frustrating.
[05:18] <chol> Chetic, and so is life..
[05:18] <fan_gnr> is there anything called registry in linux like windows does?
[05:18] <antiPosix> caonex: gnome-control-center?
[05:18] <Chetic> Would people here stop using that? It's just an excuse for not knowing the answer
[05:18] <chol> Chetic, change the app to use the correct device, one time, and the annoying message is no more
[05:18] <antiPosix> I dont now much about gnome, sorry
[05:18] <Chetic> chol, some applications won't even let you do that
[05:19] <fan_gnr> if i install firefox in /usr/local/firefox, manually , symlink to /usr/bin etc. and then if i delete the folder named firefox, will it damage the installation?
[05:19] <caonex> antiPosix, gnome-cups-manager, thanks
[05:19] <chol> Chetic, remove the one you don't want and link the other one in place?
[05:19] <fan_gnr> is there anything called regisry in linux?
[05:19] <antiPosix> gnome-cups-manager sounds logical.  I basically typed gnome-TAB-TAB and read through the list
[05:19] <fan_gnr> registry
[05:20] <caonex> antiPosix, it is ok, you trying to help is what counts ;)
[05:20] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 437D05B5 && gpg --armor --export 437D0535 | sudo apt-key add -
[05:20] <tiglionabbit> but...
[05:20] <tiglionabbit> this is the main repository
[05:20] <fan_gnr> chol: was that for me?
[05:20] <tiglionabbit> is anyone else having this problem?
[05:20] <fan_gnr> chol: if i remove it and point to another, that's it???
[05:20] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  that should refresh the key, in case there was corruption on your hard drive
[05:20] <tiglionabbit> and what would have changed to make it do this?
[05:20] <tiglionabbit> oh
[05:21] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  i'm not, nor have i heard of it from others here
[05:21] <raptoid> 5.1 sound system woofer not sound for ubuntu ?
[05:21] <raptoid> whats problem ?
[05:21] <raptoid> woofer not sound..
[05:21] <chol> fan_gnr, dunno.. i was speaking to Chetic about dps and dsp1
[05:21] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  you'll note i used the example from the url i pasted you, but changed the keyid
[05:21] <fan_gnr> k
[05:21] <osiris_> Hi im using ubuntuguide.org with the repositries that they say you should have but still i cant install the software they show you how to install some of the software im trying to install are , w32codecs and flashplayer-mozilla . which cant be found in the source list
[05:21] <fan_gnr> anybody here........
[05:21] <chol> fan_gnr, but gnome has a sort-of registry
[05:21] <fan_gnr> k
[05:21] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  really, i'm at a loss as to why you're getting this, other than slome transient data corruption possibility
[05:22] <chol> fan_gnr, gconftool-2 -R / to dump it
[05:22] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: that doesn't appear to have worked.  gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[05:23] <fan_gnr> chol:if i delete the symlink i create to point it and then simply delete the symlink and create a new one, what will be the outcome?
[05:23] <we2by> is there a backtool that backup the whole system?
[05:23] <caonex> i am trying to configure my cups server to be used remotely; however, after listenning on the internet, it does not let me use the printer and i read that it is configured to make them available to everyone, is this true?
[05:23] <chol> fan_gnr, not sure if i understood that..
[05:23] <fan_gnr> chol:moreover, if i delete the firefox folder from /usr/local, and place an upgrade in place, will that matter
[05:23] <tiglionabbit> =[
[05:23] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  that implies the key wasn't found, hang a sec while i check here
[05:24] <chol> fan_gnr, your plugins and such will be lost
[05:24] <chol> fan_gnr, but perhaps they all are in your .firefox or smth like that
[05:24] <fan_gnr> chol"yeah, no prob, i wil redownload them, i will export the bookmarks
[05:24] <gjorans_> what is nice to have in sources.list? I dont find sawfish in the one I have now
[05:25] <osiris_> Hi im using ubuntuguide.org with the repositries that they say you should have but still i cant install the software they show you how to install some of the software im trying to install are , w32codecs and flashplayer-mozilla . which cant be found in the source list
[05:25] <fan_gnr> chol: i was talkin about the symlink that create for /usr/local/firefox to /usr/bin
[05:25] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  $  gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 437D05B5
[05:25] <eyequeue> gpg: requesting key 437D05B5 from hkp server wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net
[05:25] <eyequeue> gpg: key 437D05B5: "Ubuntu Archi .......
[05:25] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  try running just that part, separately
[05:25] <tiglionabbit> osiris: try just uncommenting the other entries hoary has in your list
[05:25] <chol> fan_gnr, it will still work even if you replace the whole firefox subdir as long as the new binary is in the same place as the previous one
[05:26] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: okay
[05:26] <tiglionabbit> now what?
[05:26] <fan_gnr> chol:new binary?
[05:26] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  if it responds with a sucess-ish message, we can proceed
[05:26] <tiglionabbit> it said it imported it the very first time I did it, with the piped thing.  Successive attempts are just saying 'unchanged'
[05:27] <fan_gnr> chol:moreover, can't i install thunderbird? it works with the thunderbird file directly.
[05:27] <chol> fan_gnr, sure
[05:27] <srockett> heh I like that "success-ish" message
[05:27] <tiglionabbit> it was the second part of the message that had a warning
[05:27] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  gpg --armor --export 437D05B5 | sudo apt-key add -
[05:27] <tiglionabbit> hey, it said OK
[05:28] <osiris_> tiglionabbit, there  all uncommented
[05:28] <fan_gnr> chol:how can i "install" thunderbird man?
[05:28] <tiglionabbit> I still get the warning though
[05:28] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit: i note that earlier i said ...0535 rather than ...05B5, sorry
[05:28] <fan_gnr> chol:where can i get firefox.deb? to upgrade with the debian package? i use warty
[05:28] <chol> fan_gnr, isn't it like firefox, just untarr into some place and run it from there
[05:29] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  okay, well, we now know your key is not corrupted on your end, that's all we accomplished there
[05:29] <chol> fan_gnr, firefox is apt-get:able
[05:29] <chol> fan_gnr, dunno if they have one on their site though
[05:29] <fan_gnr> chol: what is that able
[05:29] <osiris_> chol, yes firefox is apt-get able but not to the latest one. i dont think its been added yet
[05:29] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  try another sudo apt-get update, after the apt-key of course
[05:29] <tiglionabbit> osiris: now, if you're using synaptic, just tell it to refresh, and search again
[05:30] <chol> fan_gnr, apt-get:able, able to install through apt-get
[05:30] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: I did, and it hasn't changed anything
[05:30] <osiris_> tiglionabbit, done that
[05:30] <chol> osiris_, if it's not in the sources it's not in the scope of this channel (:
[05:30] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  are you getting 216.165.129.138 for 'host us.archive.ubuntu.com' ?
[05:30] <spanglesontoast> what's port 113?
[05:30] <tiglionabbit> fan_gnr: chol is being weird.  Just run synaptic and search for it
[05:31] <osiris_> tiglionabbit, i dont use synaptic, i just did apt-get update also i have apt-cache search flashplayer, and still nothing
[05:31] <chol> tiglionabbit, he wanted e newer version
[05:31] <eyequeue> spanglesontoast:  identd, grep 113 /etc/services
[05:31] <fan_gnr> tiglionabbit: i will try that
[05:31] <spanglesontoast> ah ok
[05:31] <tiglionabbit> chol: it is the newest version
[05:31] <tiglionabbit> just mislabeled
[05:31] <eyequeue> spanglesontoast:  odds are you tried to connect to an irc server, heh
[05:32] <whitetiger> hi at all
[05:32] <chol> tiglionabbit, okey, i see.. then the "it's apt-get:able" wasn't all that wrong ei :)
[05:32] <fan_gnr> tiglionabbit, Chol, i have heard about the controversy about how ubuntu upgrades packages
[05:32] <whitetiger> who can help me with webserver apache?
[05:32] <spanglesontoast> just making sure it's mean't to be there
[05:32] <fan_gnr> tiglionabbit, chol, at least firefox
[05:32] <whitetiger> no one can help me?
[05:32] <whitetiger> =(
[05:33] <fan_gnr> tiglionabbit, Chol, it doesn't upgrade the version no. but the security fixes are installed. That's what i read somewhere
[05:33] <chol> fan_gnr, there is some issues as to how stable the packages in ubuntu is and how security patches are released but i don't know that much about it
[05:33] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  if you get a different ip address, you would seem to be subject to a man-in-the-middle attack, and i'd worry about what nasty entity is trying to get you to install trojanned software, but i think that's highly unlikely
[05:33] <osiris_> chol, thats right http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/upgrade/?application=%257bec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384%257d
[05:33] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: how do I check that?
[05:33] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  run 'host us.archive.ubuntu.com'
[05:34] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  are you getting 216.165.129.138 ?
[05:34] <fan_gnr> thanks guys
[05:34] <tiglionabbit> yes
[05:34] <fan_gnr> i gotta leave
[05:34] <fan_gnr> bye
[05:34] <tiglionabbit> that's the IP I get, eyequeue
[05:34] <osiris_> i really dont understand this repos thing i have all the ones that ubuntu guide tells me to have , but still i cant find the packages
[05:34] <chol> osiris_, ah, thats a good link, thanks
[05:34] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  okay, that's not the problem (which would really be a nasty attack, and i don't think the causual attacker would do it)
[05:34] <osiris_> chol, No Probs :-)
[05:35] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  well, here's the three points of failure i can think of
[05:35] <tiglionabbit> chol: do you get any odd messages other than "Hit" when you update?
[05:35] <tiglionabbit> oops, I mean osiris
[05:35] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  one, the key at your end is corrupted, and we've already checked that
[05:35] <slask3n> how do i print all users on a system in console? and how do i delete a user?
[05:36] <tiglionabbit> slask3n: deluser or userdel
[05:36] <osiris_> chol, can you help me try and sort this problem out?
[05:36] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  two, the signature on the mirror got corruped in transit, and the fact that no one else is reporting problems seems to contradict that (it does happen btw, but is rather rare, and is usually resolved at the next update a day later)
[05:37] <slask3n> tiglionabbit: thanks :) you know how to print all users also? :P
[05:37] <chol> osiris_, the one with firefox versions?
[05:37] <tiglionabbit> slask3n: you should see entries for all of them in /etc/passwd
[05:37] <slask3n> k
[05:37] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  three, the key on the signing end is corrupted, or the new guy that is signing things is quilty of "operator error" :)  it's a script undoubtably, but if it were somehow hosed, ALL the people in here would be complaining of this, so i don't think it's the case
[05:38] <slask3n> thanks tiglionabbit :)
[05:38] <osiris_> chol, No what it is, im using ubuntuguide to install software that it shows how to install , but when i apt-get the software it cant be found even though i have all the repos that they say you should have.
[05:38] <chol> osiris_, even with multiverse added?
[05:38] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  other than that, i can't think of any other innocuous reasons for the error message
[05:38] <osiris_> chol, yes
[05:39] <tiglionabbit> =[  what can I do?  I can't use the upgrade features anymore
[05:39] <tiglionabbit> because all of my packages are not validated
[05:39] <osiris_> chol, heres the sources list i have http://ubuntuguide.org/sample/sources.list_extrarepositories
[05:40] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  just to be sure your key is the real one, i suppose i should give you my copy of the fingerprint: 6302 39CC 130E 1A7F D81A  27B1 4097 6EAF 437D 05B5
[05:40] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  gpg --fingerprint 437D05B5
[05:40] <lpb-Anonymous> t.org
[05:40] <chol> osiris_, i've run into that regarding some specific software aswell.. can't tell why though
[05:41] <tiglionabbit> BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5
[05:41] <chol> osiris_, what package are you missing? I was able to get mplayer and such thruogh multiverse
[05:41] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: where do I check it?
[05:41] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  gpg --fingerprint 437D05B5, from your user account, should cover it
[05:41] <osiris_> Its weird anything i want to install i cant, lol for example: flashplayer-mozilla w32codecs ,sun-j2re1.5
[05:41] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  since that's the key you just piped into apt-key
[05:42] <tiglionabbit> 6302 39CC 130E 1A7F D81A  27B1 4097 6EAF 437D 05B5
[05:42] <osiris_> chol, ive apt-cache searched them too. wont find anything.
[05:42] <chol> osiris_, oh yeah.. all non-free packages
[05:42] <osiris_> chol, yah
[05:42] <chol> osiris_, the new sun java is only availible on their web site
[05:42] <chol> osiris_, flashplayer i believe that firefox can download automagically
[05:43] <tiglionabbit> chol: I was able to get it using a method described in the page linked to by restrictedformats faq
[05:43] <chol> osiris_, and w32codecs is better to get the new ones directly from mplayerhq.hu
[05:43] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  yeah, i was 99% sure that would be fine, but figured it's part of the checking mechanism available to us (of course, you have to trust that i'm not some evil attacker myself, heh, but others here could catch my lying about the signature, if so)
[05:43] <osiris_> chol,  i know i could do all tht but i just thought it was weird how the guide was showing you how to do it when you cant,
[05:44] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: actually, it appears us.archive.ubuntu.com works now.  But http://archive.ubuntu.com is still giving me a key error
[05:44] <debugger> in ubuntu we manage the packages using apt, or is there anything fancier?
[05:44] <tiglionabbit> debugger: use synaptic
[05:44] <tiglionabbit> or aptitude, or whatever
[05:44] <osiris_> debugger, synaptic
[05:44] <chol> osiris_, i haven't read the guide at all.. i installed ubuntu to have a fairly complete base install done fast but then i have done everything else the old debian way :)
[05:44] <debugger> tiglionabbit, does it work on server?  mean, does it have a conse app?
[05:44] <Gh0sty> anyone here running ubuntu dualscreen with twinview from nvidia? not xinerama?
[05:45] <osiris_> chol, ok, cool
[05:45] <tiglionabbit> debugger: aptitude works on console
[05:45] <nosilver4u> Gh0sty: I had it running
[05:45] <Gh0sty> nosilver4u: had?
[05:45] <nosilver4u> cept now it wont
[05:45] <nosilver4u> yeah, i was having weird agp stuff, so i started over
[05:45] <Gh0sty> well, i just installed ubuntu on my pc (had hdd crash and decided to drop sid for ubunutu)
[05:45] <nosilver4u> and now i can't get the second display to come up
[05:46] <Gh0sty> but i can't get it to work
[05:46] <Gh0sty> i accidently started x as root last day
[05:46] <debugger> thx tiglionabbit and osiris_
[05:46] <osiris_> debugger, NP
[05:46] <Gh0sty> and suddenly i saw it worked! :s
[05:46] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: I'm not completely clear on what we're doing, but it appears to have removed one of the problems (the error I get is much smaller now).  Can you give me a next step?
[05:46] <caonex> i configured cups to access it remotely but when i do it from my remote linux, it does not show the printers, why?
[05:46] <Gh0sty> so it runs as root it seems but not as normal user
[05:46] <osiris_> nick_osiris_
[05:46] <Gh0sty> nosilver4u: seems its the same over here :(
[05:46] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  revert to us.archive.ubuntu.com in sources.list
[05:47] <nosilver4u> yeah, i'm pretty sure you can't run X as a normal user, ever
[05:47] <Gh0sty> hm?
[05:47] <Gh0sty> i'm thinking of a permission problem
[05:47] <nosilver4u> at least if you're using gdm
[05:47] <Gh0sty> anyone know where you can find the driver files from nvidia?
[05:47] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  did you get a chance to read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary yet?
[05:47] <Gh0sty> or the specific stuff for twinview?
[05:47] <tiglionabbit> yes, but I didn't really understand it
[05:48] <osiris1> Gh0sty, apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:48] <tiglionabbit> I don't know where I would be getting these key numbers
[05:48] <Gh0sty> yes, but it won't run twinview except for root user??? :s
[05:48] <osiris1> Gh0sty, apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-settingds
[05:48] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  the second paragraph there is the rationale
[05:49] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  basically we are checking that no one is trying to trick you into installing evilly-modified packages
[05:49] <tiglionabbit> well yay, it appears to work now
[05:49] <allergique> by ubuntu have handicaps: firefox doesn't load a lot of page or need 1h to load a page!
[05:50] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  well good, though i'm certainly curious what was broken
[05:50] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: I had both us. and without us. repositories in the list, and both were giving me errors (in fact, those were my only repositories, so ALL of my packages were not authenticated).  I changed the remaining ones to us. and I no longer get errors
[05:50] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  one little side note, if ever you use "backports" the signatures there *are* known to not be working (but that wasn't the situation in your case)
[05:50] <tiglionabbit> so when you had me get that new key, that must have fixed it
[05:51] <tiglionabbit> yes, I found backports was rejecting connections recently and had to remove it
[05:51] <Gh0sty> osiris1: i got all those packages, i know how to set it up, i know how ubuntu (well rather debian) works, i just don't get why dualscreen doesn't work where it did on my debian install
[05:52] <tiglionabbit> anyway, it was likely caused by me running out of batteries a while ago, which caused it to suddenly turn off without a chance to shut down normally
[05:52] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  read at http://backports.ubuntu.forums.org/ and you'll see the message, you have to pick a mirror
[05:52] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: I have, yes
[05:52] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  yeah, that's a common reason for data corruption
[05:52] <osiris1> Gh0sty, sorry dude cant help you there then, never done dual screen
[05:53] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  glad the mystery is solved, rather than being something nefarious, heh
[05:53] <tiglionabbit> thank you so much for helping me out with that.  Where did you get the numbers to feed to gpg though?
[05:54] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  the keyid?  i did this, on my end ... apt-key list
[05:54] <tiglionabbit> ah, thanks
[05:55] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  i'm rather versed in gpg, so to me that was enough, but if you're not, it may take some staring at it
[05:55] <eyequeue> gpg manages to confuse many, for some reason
[05:55] <|Ivanch0|> enas a tod@s
[05:56] <tiglionabbit> what does the part before the / mean?
[05:56] <iceman> Anyone know any other distros based on slackware
[05:57] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  keysize in bits, and keytype
[05:57] <tiglionabbit> ah
[05:57] <justin> iceman: people in #slackware?
[05:57] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  1024D == dsa
[05:57] <debugger> i've run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade;  it downoloaded serveral stuff, among then, a kernel update. my question is, do we need to do anything more to upgrade the kernel, beside rebooting?   it seems the old kernel was wipped out, what happens if the newone fails to boot?
[05:57] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  2048g == elGamal
[05:57] <tiglionabbit> debugger: it will automatically add extra entries to GRUB for booting either kernel
[05:58] <debugger> tiglionabbit, oddly, there are no new entries :|
[05:58] <tiglionabbit> really?  uh..
[05:58] <tiglionabbit> when I apt-got the i686 kernel it added some
[05:58] <debugger> tiglionabbit, I was expecting to see a vmlinuz.old or something like that.
[05:58] <tiglionabbit> I didn't know upgrade was able to do that
[05:59] <debugger> odd then :|
[06:00] <debugger> ok, I also noticed it was i386 and not something more apropriate for my amdxp thing, so this lends another question :)   how can I tell apt to install amdxp binaries? :)
[06:01] <Kyynara> hmm... could someoen say some important sound libs...
[06:01] <eyequeue> debugger:  apt-cache search linux-image
[06:01] <|Ivanch0|> hi to all i have made this question some times whiout any answer...my ubuntu dont mount my pen drive automaticaly any idea?
[06:02] <Kyynara> as I'm missing a sound lib, but I don't know which one.. :)
[06:02] <debugger> eyequeue, huh! no amds??
[06:02] <debugger> ok, it has k7... hehe
[06:02] <eyequeue> debugger:  really? linux-image-2.6.10-5-k7-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.10 on AMD K7 SMP.
[06:02] <tiglionabbit> kyynara: um..  that's not very descriptive.  What's the problem?
[06:03] <tiglionabbit> linux-image?  What are those?
[06:03] <debugger> eyequeue, humm, but k7 is not amdxp, or is it? :|
[06:03] <eyequeue> debugger:  anyway, pick the one that best fits your situation, then sudo apt-get install foo
[06:04] <eyequeue> debugger: i don't know what the xp part means
[06:04] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  packages of the kernel
[06:04] <debugger> eyequeue, amd xp, its the chip name.
[06:04] <eyequeue> debugger:  personally, i'd try the k7, non-smp
[06:05] <eyequeue> debugger:  if it won't boot, use the grub menu to boot into the 386 version
[06:05] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: oh, I just realized that's what I'd installed, heh
[06:06] <Kyynara> tiglionabbit: I'm trying to build action quake 2 from source, but it gives me errors on some sound files :)
[06:06] <Kyynara> http://pastebin.com/296449
[06:07] <debugger> eyequeue, oh, K7 is really what I want.  :)
[06:07] <eyequeue> debugger:  thought it might be :)
[06:07] <eyequeue> debugger:  386 is the default because that will work for most, even if not optimized
[06:08] <debugger> eyequeue, its odd, but noone calls those chips k7 heheh
[06:08] <debugger> eyequeue, noone == gcc hehe
[06:08] <eyequeue> debugger:  i think the k6 was the p1-equiv, but i'm not definite
[06:09] <eyequeue> and after the p2 | k7, there were no drastic changes to the command set ?
[06:10] <debugger> humm, yeah, I think so.
[06:11] <debugger> k8 is amd64
[06:11] <tiglionabbit> kyynara: I'm not sure, but if I were you, I would get the package "libopenal-dev"
[06:11] <eyequeue> ah yeah, the 64 archs will of course end up changing much
[06:11] <eyequeue> and the smp too
[06:11] <eyequeue> i want a quad 64-bit :)
[06:12] <eyequeue> but i'm content with the lappie i have now
[06:13] <fvasquez> que onda
[06:13] <fvasquez> hay alguen por ahi
[06:14] <eyequeue> fvasquez:  #ubuntu-es
[06:14] <eyequeue> lo siento, pero no me requerdo mi espanol
[06:14] <debugger> humm... is there a ubuntu-pt? hehe
[06:14] <dydimustk> where is the linux source code directory in ubuntu?
[06:14] <fvasquez> hey
[06:14] <fvasquez> hay alguien po ahi
[06:14] <eyequeue> dydimustk:  /usr/src, after you sudo apt-get install linux-source-*
[06:15] <eyequeue> dydimustk:  if you mean the kernel
[06:15] <debugger> how to list a package contents?
[06:15] <debugger> and all installed packages? :)
[06:15] <eyequeue> debugger:  dpkg -L foo
[06:15] <debugger> ah dpkg :)
[06:15] <debugger> thx!
[06:15] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue, you're too fast!  *was about to say that
[06:15] <eyequeue> debugger:  dpkg -l | grep ^i
[06:15] <dydimustk> trying to install cisco VPN and it's asking "In order to build the VPN kernel module, you must have the
[06:15] <dydimustk> kernel headers for the version of the kernel you are running.
[06:15] <dydimustk> "
[06:15] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  heh
[06:16] <dydimustk> so just /usr/src ?
[06:16] <E0x> hello , when i login , and ubuntu splash appert i saw a background with a brown ubuntu default color , what i need mod for change the color of the background in that moment ?
[06:16] <eyequeue> dydimustk:  what is the output of uname -r ?
[06:16] <tiglionabbit> E0x: change the background color
[06:16] <IcemanV9> E0x: right-click (on ur desktop) > change desktop background
[06:17] <E0x> tiglionabbit i did it but dont change the background in the splash moment
[06:17] <fvasquez> need to download movies, where can I find em
[06:17] <dydimustk> eyequeue: 2.6.10-5-386
[06:17] <Kimppa> Hello. How do I create an ssh connection in terminal using some other port than 22?
[06:17] <Kimppa> the server is set to listen to another port, so that's not a problem
[06:17] <eyequeue> dydimustk:  you just need headers, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[06:17] <rafe> hey all, anyone have an easy method for downgrading from breezy back to hoary?
[06:17] <E0x> fvasquez this is a #ubuntu channel not warez channel
[06:17] <fvasquez> ssh IP
[06:17] <debugger> you guys think ubuntu gives a nice server envirnoment?
[06:17] <swoop> kimppa: ssh user@server:port
[06:18] <eyequeue> Kimppa:  ssh -p 2222 otherhost, or similar
[06:18] <rafe> Kimppa: it's ssh -p port user@server
[06:18] <tiglionabbit> debugger: well it's based on debian, which is a good server, but I've heard complaints about it.  Perhaps regular debian would be a better option.  Ubuntu is best as a graphical desktop OS
[06:18] <drunken> hi everyone....
[06:18] <featheredfrog> woot!
[06:18] <eyequeue> debugger:  if you enter "server" at the install cd prompt, yes :)
[06:19] <tiglionabbit> hehe, but I haven't run servers, so I wouldn't know
[06:19] <debugger> tiglionabbit, humm, debian is old :|
[06:19] <tiglionabbit> debugger: Sarge just got released!
[06:19] <debugger> eyequeue, yes, I did that hehe
[06:19] <featheredfrog> tiglionabbit:  but it's stil 2.4...
[06:19] <featheredfrog> :)
[06:19] <debugger> tiglionabbit, yeah, and now what?  another 2 years till its updated? *G*
[06:19] <tiglionabbit> =p
[06:19] <eyequeue> debugger:  debian just released sarge, so now could be a good time to try it :) (i personally think ubuntu's still a bit more current)
[06:19] <fvasquez> how I can install macromedia plugins
[06:19] <featheredfrog> plugins for what?
[06:20] <tiglionabbit> fvasquez: in firefox, go to a website with flash in it like newgrounds.com, and click on one of the puzzle piece icons that show up in their place
[06:20] <tiglionabbit> it should launch a wizard for installing flash player
[06:20] <featheredfrog> guess he figured out the ~application/plugin directory...
[06:20] <IcemanV9> E0x: never played with splash before, but i believe it is "sudo gdmsetup"
[06:21] <drunken> i've got a big problem with my isa 10 base t/2 ethernet card. during a hoary install this card was not recognised and i'm not able to modprobe the module "ne", even if this card is "fully ne2000" compatible. dmegs says, that "no NE*000 card found at i/o = 0xfoo" where foo are several i/o ports i tried... anyone who had the same problem once?
[06:21] <milky> i sucessfully mount two ntfs  partitions, but can only access them as a root. when i try chmod a+r --- it says that mounted drive is read only
[06:21] <E0x> IcemanV9 hmm i see in preferents->login screen , is not the same of gdmsetup ?
[06:21] <mz2> huh? both openoffice 1.x and 1.9 segfault
[06:21] <mz2> all of the apps in both of those
[06:21] <mz2> used to work fine
[06:22] <swoop> isnt there a gui possible for setting up ftp servers ?
[06:22] <tiglionabbit> milky: well it is read only, can't write to ntfs.  Um, NTFS behaves like that for me too, don't know what you can do to change it
[06:22] <swoop> i just cant get the hang around using config files for it.. seems very difficult to manage with several users and way much trouble to make changes
[06:22] <milky> it sucks as i cannot acess them as normal user
[06:22] <swoop> perhaps just me, but isnt there a gui ftp server available ?
[06:22] <eyequeue> swoop:  it would depend on the ftpd server i suppose, though i've not used one here
[06:22] <milky> e.g. in x windows
[06:23] <IcemanV9> E0x: hmm. admin > login screen setup might be the one as well. good catch.
[06:23] <tiglionabbit> milky: well, you could open a root terminal
[06:23] <milky> and...
[06:23] <tiglionabbit> and use it from there
[06:23] <swoop> well i have tried VSftpd and PROftpd, and both are "easy" to setup for anonymous access, but when you need pr user login with different permissions pr directory for multiple directories it just seems very much work somkehow
[06:23] <E0x> IcemanV9 if is the same , that cannot help
[06:23] <E0x> me
[06:23] <IcemanV9> E0x: yepper. it is same as gdmsetup.
[06:23] <milky> got that, doing that
[06:23] <E0x> that can't help then
[06:24] <Kimppa> Another question regarding ssh. Can I set the server to listen to several ports for ssh? I know  /etc/ssh/sshd_config is the file to configure, but if I can define several ports, then what is the separator?
[06:24] <milky> but im not really familiar with terminals
[06:24] <xxenon> sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[06:24] <xxenon> bash: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward: Permission denied
[06:24] <xxenon> any clue ?
[06:24] <eyequeue> swoop:  it should be reasonable for someone to write an app to tweak the config files, based on a gui app, but as you know, the configs differ from one ftpd to another
[06:24] <merc> launch a gui file browser via the root terminal.
[06:24] <IcemanV9> E0x: tab (standard greeter) there is option for background
[06:25] <milky> thx anyway
[06:25] <merc> milky -- rea..ok nevermind.
[06:25] <eyequeue> swoop:  all i can suggest is a friendly request to the devel list of the ftpd of your choice, if they know there's a demand, they may put one together
[06:25] <IcemanV9> E0x: then you can change the color at the right bottom
[06:26] <swoop> hmmm well i was kinda hoping somebody already know of a gui supported ftpd eyequeue ;) trying to get some basic networking options going
[06:26] <E0x> IcemanV9 hmm , let take note and test it at home ( no ubuntu box here )
[06:26] <tiglionabbit> milky: sudo nautilus, or whichever browser you use
[06:26] <Lafitte-> is there a way to change the brown ubuntu screens after login manager ??   not desktop and theme but the device loading page
[06:26] <IcemanV9> E0x: i just played with it. that IS the one. :)
[06:26] <swoop> btw question: webmin is what exactly ? seems there is a proftpd plugin for it, but i cant really seem to find out how to use it
[06:26] <eyequeue> swoop:  yeah, i did 'apt-cache search ftpd | grep conf" and didn't find anything like vsftpd-config
[06:27] <E0x> IcemanV9 cool , but that dont change the background in the greeter ( login screen ) right ?
[06:27] <debugger> humm, I'm trying to do a ``apt-get install openssh-server'' but it keeps asking for the CD... but I don't want to insert the CD, so how can I force it to install from the internet?
[06:27] <IcemanV9> E0x: yes, it does as i am exploring it.
[06:27] <eyequeue> swoop:  apt-cache show webmin, description there
[06:27] <tiglionabbit> debugger: you need to change your repositories
[06:27] <E0x> IcemanV9 hmm but change the look of you login screen ?
[06:28] <tiglionabbit> edit /etc/apt/menu.lst and comment out the CD, and uncomment the other things
[06:28] <drunken> anyone?
[06:28] <eyequeue> webmin-proftpd - Proftpd module for webmin          webmin-wuftpd - wu-ftpd control module for webmin
[06:28] <tiglionabbit> E0x: system->admin->login screen setup
[06:28] <IcemanV9> yes, E0x. background color, background pix and everything else. too bad you couldn't test now to see and believe it. :)
[06:29] <debugger> tiglionabbit, menu.lst or sources-.list?
[06:29] <swoop> eyequeue,  exactly ... gonna see what happens if i install that.. perhaps its possible to adminster the ftp from i t
[06:29] <swoop> seems to be what i need perhaps ? wouldnt you agree ;)
[06:29] <tiglionabbit> debugger: whoops, that's what I meant, sorry
[06:29] <eyequeue> swoop:  sounds like it :)
[06:29] <poptones> what tool can I use to get a real time view of traffic by IP?
[06:29] <iceman> After all these years, Linux still lacks one Simple ability, "POINT AND CLICK TO INSTALL" still requiring the NON Geek to have to learn command line. LOKI GAME'S at one point had got there games to install and run on linux, but Until Linux Becomes "non-geek" friendly, it will fall short... which i hate... Linux is a great idea, great Operating system, but lacks the Ease of uses, that "PEOPLE" want...
[06:29] <swoop> i will brb .. gotta see if this webmin thing works ..
[06:29] <tiglionabbit> iceman: whiptail is close enough, come on
[06:29] <IcemanV9> E0x: i am changing it right now on the other box :) looks very cool!
[06:30] <debugger> tiglionabbit, that it, thx! :)
[06:30] <eyequeue> swoop:  not a gui per se, since you could use lynx to get into it from console i suspect, heh.  but yeah, probably covers your needs
[06:30] <ogra> poptones, try etherape
[06:30] <poptones> thx ogra
[06:30] <swoop> eyequeue,  hehe yeah but just something to help me setup without having to learn all the config syntax ect... seems to be ALOT of trouble for a simple ftp server hehe
[06:30] <ogra> poptones, for more detailed info ethereal
[06:30] <E0x> IcemanV9 cool
[06:30] <swoop> at least considering how all the windows alternatives i have tried are extremely easy to setup
[06:31] <swoop> would surprise me if nobody on linux hasnt done something similar...
[06:31] <iceman> Not just games, but drivers. you screw up a install, and lack IRC then you might as well toast a install unless your a Geek ... ;)
[06:31] <poptones> already on it ogra, you've been a great help
[06:31] <ogra> :)
[06:32] <signius> Actually i think some Linux distros are even easier to install than Windows
[06:32] <signius> suse and mandrake for example and also RH/Fedora
[06:32] <poptones> BTW I had a breakin on warty via port 9001, is there a known vulnerability in GAIM on warty?
[06:32] <tweakism> iceman: Basically, you are correct sir.  Linux has a serious place in IT off the desktop, and is also useful in very specific desktop instances, like labs and kiosks.  There isn't a Linux-based OS that actually makes Linux usable by and useful to the average non-IT person.  Maybe Ubuntu will accomplish this goal.  But if not, Linux is still pretty damn valuable.  And someday, someone will.
[06:32] <iceman> Ubuntu has me inpressed, but Drivers like nvidia's and no ease of install cost me more than one install
[06:33] <justin> iceman: what problem did you have installing the nvidia drivers? it takes about 10 seconds to do
[06:33] <signius> some drivers under windows can be a complete to install also though
[06:33] <signius> complete pig i meant
[06:33] <caffinated> if you think that's fun, try moving to ubuntu-amd64 :)
[06:33] <swoop> im impressed by how easy ubuntu was after install.. everything worked right out of the box
[06:33] <caffinated> i can't even get a proper flash plugin right now
[06:33] <swoop> however more advanced functions lack documentation i find
[06:34] <tiglionabbit> caffinated: install it through firefox
[06:34] <swoop> most stuff is only "here is the basics, now go read stuff and google around"
[06:34] <caffinated> tiglionabbit: doesn't work.
[06:34] <tiglionabbit> worked for me
[06:34] <tiglionabbit> how does it not work?
[06:34] <iceman> tweakism full agree with you.. 100% ... I hate being a slave to the microshaft os, but having to reinstall after i screw up, that sucks...
[06:34] <uc50ic4more> caffinated - there is NO flash plug for amd64
[06:34] <swoop> alot of the documentation is more advanced that the non-tech person would appriciate
[06:34] <caffinated> uc50ic4more: exactly
[06:34] <tiglionabbit> oh, 64 bit..  heh sorry
[06:34] <uc50ic4more> u will have to install a 32 bit browser in addition to the 64 bit
[06:34] <floater> Any americans here who knows about cars ?
[06:35] <uc50ic4more> also, under x64 there are several win32 codecs that do not exist yet
[06:35] <tweakism> iceman: Well, I'm an experienced Linux user, so this doesn't count, but I find that MS is much, much, much, much more likely to force me to reinstall the OS than any Linux distro ever.
[06:35] <caffinated> more likely ubuntu will regretfully get uninstalled
[06:35] <eyequeue> i've driven one
[06:35] <caffinated> at least until there is better support
[06:35] <tiglionabbit> floater: pretty odd question to ask a linux channel, eh?
[06:35] <Ubuntian> caffinated, what are the other problems that u have with ubuntu amd64 ?
[06:35] <caffinated> Ubuntian: ndiswrapper issues.
[06:35] <eyequeue> poptones:  gaim did have some security upgrades, iirc
[06:35] <swoop> i love linux, but its just too hard to find the good documentation you need sometimes.. i mean if you DO find something it likely for another distro and not easily working on your distro
[06:35] <caffinated> though, that's getting corrected with better hardware that is supported
[06:35] <swoop> OR outdated and you dont know theupdated commands :(
[06:36] <floater> hehe yes it is. I just ahve to send a fax to n.america and was wondering if my fax will make sense. I was thinking something like this: http://vk0.dk/vkprivupload/tsnckuov/moulding.txt
[06:36] <uc50ic4more> caffinated - i copied my entire HOME directory over to another drive, installed ubuntu i386 and copied the whole mess back.. i deleted the .gnome directory when there were some troubles booting, but other than that, my transition from x64 to i386 was very smooth
[06:36] <tiglionabbit> tweakism: tech support is actually trained to tell you that if they don't know what's going on
[06:36] <eyequeue> swoop:  sounds like you're volunteering to write something newer ;)
[06:36] <debugger> is there a way of knowning which configuration files a package will use?  I mean, I've just installed openssh-server, did I dpkg -l openssh-server, but the files under /etc/ssh/ do not happear on that listing. :|
[06:36] <iceman> tweakism would agree, guess if i built my pc around linux it might be more stable, i build it around a stable Windows install .. so that is a good point
[06:36] <swoop> eyequeue, would love to ;) just need to learn how ;) hehe
[06:36] <swoop> was actually thinking about doing something on easy ftp for linux if i dont find anything
[06:36] <justin> debugger: man sshd, read "FILES"
[06:36] <tweakism> tiglionabbit: Of course, "not knowing what's going on", and having no reasonable way to find out, is a classic Windows-using scenario.
[06:36] <caffinated> uc50ic4more: too much like work.  i'll probably move to gentoo, then i don't have to worry about people making packages
[06:36] <swoop> but again im just a newbie with ambitions hehe or grand illusions of grandure :D
[06:36] <eyequeue> debugger:  /etc/ssh/sshd* but you know that now i'm sure
[06:37] <debugger> justin, well, I known how to do that ;)
[06:37] <debugger> justin, I'm just wondering if this apt/dpkg thing shouldn't mention that :)
[06:37] <uc50ic4more> caffinated - true, but in any case, using a x64 version of any distro will disallow teh use of Flash, ndiswrapper, win32 codecs, etc.. the nature of the beast :(
[06:37] <caffinated> uc50ic4more: i'll still recomend it to anyone running 32bit though.  it's really well done on that platform.
[06:37] <tweakism> iceman: You can't blame Linux for being unable to support hardware that 1) vendors refuse to release drivers for and 2) vendors refuse to release interface documentation for.  Linux kernel has done an amazing job of supporting hardware.
[06:37] <justin> debugger: cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.conffiles ?
[06:38] <Ubuntian> i installed ubuntu x86 on my brother's desktop amd64 (realised yesterday my mistake) i guess that's why he has some problems with it (password problems)
[06:38] <iceman> tweakism I have tried linux from red hat 5.2 and a lot of distros since... Ubuntu has me most inpressed ... so far...
[06:38] <uc50ic4more> caffinated - yes, i have been very happy w/ the i386 version
[06:38] <caffinated> tweakism: oh, i don't at all.  i'm going to replace this wifi card.
[06:38] <eyequeue> debugger:  you could perhaps grep etc /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.postinst
[06:38] <uc50ic4more> mind u, the x64 was flawless as well, but lacked compatilbility
[06:38] <caffinated> yes, the 64bit is freaking fast
[06:38] <tweakism> iceman: Yep.  Ubuntu is impressive.
[06:38] <caffinated> i hate to give it up
[06:38] <eyequeue> debugger:  yeah, justin's is better
[06:38] <tiglionabbit> ubuntian: password problems?  RootSudo wiki?
[06:39] <debugger> justin, no, the ones there, are the same that appear on dpkg -l.
[06:39] <fvasquez> How can I install flash plugin
[06:39] <iceman> tweakism Not meaning to take anything from linux as a os.. overall... just a script meathod need to be worked on to make installs or drivers, ect... a bit easier ..
[06:39] <tiglionabbit> debugger: it's case-sensitive.  Capital L please
[06:39] <zAo^> fvasquez, www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:39] <debugger> tiglionabbit, sorry, I mean -L :)
[06:39] <tweakism> iceman: I have different goals, but Ubuntu gives me:  1) An excellent binary package format (.deb), 2) recent packages, and, as an added bonus I wasn't even expecting when I looked for a new distro, 3) out of the box working setup, and a clean, polished interface.
[06:39] <tweakism> iceman: Also, Synaptic is pretty amazing.
[06:39] <caffinated> uc50ic4more: and i'm still going to run ubuntu at work.  it makes my life happy at work :)
[06:40] <tiglionabbit> what I like about Ubuntu is how it's debian but doesn't ask quite so many configuration questions.  It's really nice to its users
[06:40] <uc50ic4more> fvasquez - *if* you have the i386, *and* the correct repositories in Synaptic, it is listed there
[06:40] <caffinated> tiglionabbit: in more ways than one.  have you been in #debian these days? ;)
[06:40] <tweakism> caffinated: haha.
[06:40] <caffinated> the code of conduct in ubuntu makes all the difference
[06:40] <tiglionabbit> nope, I haven't.  What's it like?
[06:41] <tiglionabbit> oh
[06:41] <IcemanV9> caffinated: it's nice that you're allowed to use ubuntu @ work. i got chewed out when i tried. sheesh.
[06:41] <caffinated> tiglionabbit: it can be fairly hostile
[06:41] <caffinated> IcemanV9: when i got here, they let me use whatever i want.  i chose this.
[06:41] <tiglionabbit> I've found a lot of ircers to be fairly hostile.  I've been kicked out of my share of #windows channels
[06:41] <iceman> tweakism ... ubuntu went so smooth as a install, i give LInux and ubuntu all the credit of a job well done, just someone need to set out to make a install script for installing the nvidia, ati, and other drivers ...
[06:41] <tiglionabbit> a #css channel too
[06:41] <uc50ic4more> if u folks want *hostile*, try rec.audio.opinion on USENET :)
[06:41] <IcemanV9> caffinated: well. i'm very green of u. :P
[06:42] <cuntface> This box is a little older and a little slower than most. I think I will just use console for now, but I would like to know if it is alright to simply use the killall command to stop xorg, or should I stop GDM?
[06:42] <tiglionabbit> oh and anything about macromedia
[06:42] <floater> eyequeue: anything to fix in this http://vk0.dk/vkprivupload/tsnckuov/moulding.txt
[06:42] <floater> or someone who knows english
[06:42] <cuntface> I don't need X draining resources while I'm using console.
[06:42] <caffinated> uc50ic4more: i don't bother with usenet.  i've found it a bigger waste of time than irc ;)
[06:42] <poptones> etherape rox, thx again for the help
[06:43] <psychonate|away> If I don't want to use X, should I stop GDM, or should I just kill X?
[06:43] <tiglionabbit> cuntface: if you kill xorg, it will run gdm again
[06:43] <iceman> Actualy looked at one more distro, but no support i have found on freenode is ftosx ... "based on linux ... 8 dang cd's ... but will die without a irc ...
[06:43] <uc50ic4more> caffinated - true - over the last 10 years, web-based forums and IRC, etc. have pretty much entirely supplanted USENET
[06:43] <tweakism> iceman: There's an nvidia package.  If it doesn't install properly, it's the .deb's fault and should be fixed.  Linux is just more complex than Windows, but it's not simple to fix because a lot of the advantages of Linux come from things that directly cause that complexity.  If we dumbed it down to make the clueless newbie happy, and consequently cut out tons of features and flexibility, I, the experienced IT linux user, would be left hanging.  Finding a w
[06:43] <caffinated> IcemanV9: Bravenet goes out of it's way to keep it's employees happy.  I count myself lucky to be here.
[06:43] <eyequeue> floater:  nice car, but no, i don't even know where to turn to get that info
[06:43] <psychonate|away> tiglionabbit: ah, so I should just stop GDM then?
[06:43] <tweakism> wow, that got cut off.  Where at?
[06:44] <floater> but you do understand that text eyequeue ? I am going to fax that to a chrysler person in USA
[06:44] <tiglionabbit> psychonate: you should log out of your session, and then stop gdm
[06:44] <iceman> tweakism general install's should go easy, the tweeking, preformance and such could remain ...
[06:44] <eyequeue> floater:  yes, the text is clear enough, if i knew the answer i'd be very clear what you wanted
[06:44] <uc50ic4more> floater - are you asking here if the English is proper?
[06:44] <floater> ok thanks :)
[06:44] <debugger> oh sweet... ``/etc/init.d/ssh start'' fails.. and /var/log/messages does not contain any clue! :(
[06:44] <floater> yea
[06:44] <debugger> any help with this?
[06:45] <tiglionabbit> tweakism: you were cut off after "Finding a w"
[06:45] <justin> iceman: all it takes to install the nvidia driver is installing the nvidia-glx, the restricted modules package(which you probably already have), and change 'nv' to 'nvidia' in the xorg.conf. that isn't very complicated
[06:45] <tweakism> Finding a way to make it flexible, powerful, and simple is the issue, and it's something no one's got down yet, especially not MS.  OS X comes close.
[06:45] <uc50ic4more> the english is just fine
[06:45] <IcemanV9> caffinated: that's nice to know that employer does care these days.
[06:45] <psychonate|away> tiglionabbit: Will do. Thanks.
[06:45] <caffinated> OS X does it by taking almost all the choice away from the user
[06:46] <eyequeue> floater:  "moldings" is the american spelling though
[06:46] <caffinated> that's not an operating system, it's a straight jacket
[06:46] <floater> I think I leave that substance away.... or what do you think which word is better. coating material or coating substance or some other
[06:46] <psychonate|away> Just so you fellas know, cuntface and I are different people. I'm just going to be on his box quite a bit heh
[06:46] <iceman> justin i lacked the horiz and vert sync lines in the xorg.conf file, so could not run over 640x480 ... and toasted a install in the process ..
[06:46] <floater> have heard that there some coating material... we say pllysteaine in finnish.. is available in usa
[06:46] <uc50ic4more> floater - material might be better... if *you* are not an expert, do not try to be too terribly specific - inadvertently using the WRONG terms may make it more difficult for a trained tech to understand u
[06:46] <Ubuntian> so u all would say that it's best to kee the x86 version on a amd64 instead of the amd64 version?
[06:46] <swoop> hmm great ... dont know my own login to Webmin... :(
[06:46] <caffinated> OS X is truly funny as an OS - in a way, it's the complete opposite of most linuxes
[06:47] <iceman> I'll reinstll ubuntu tonight.. got to re format the harddrive... it's set to 32 gig.. needs reset to 40 gig
[06:47] <swoop> and dont know how to change it .. :(
[06:47] <justin> iceman: how did you 'toast' the install by chaning one file?
[06:47] <caffinated> linux == choice.  OS X == we've made the choice for you
[06:47] <swoop> just installed using synaptic and then try to login .. but dont know the login ..
[06:47] <floater> uc50ic4more ok, most likely yeah, thanks
[06:47] <justin> swoop: /usr/share/doc/webmin? probably needs roots password set
[06:47] <iceman> justin no way to get on line and get help "HERE" and be at the pc to fix it at teh same time ..
[06:47] <tweakism> caffinated: Excluding my politics, and on a technical basis, OS X is an awesome operating system,
[06:48] <caffinated> tweakism: I would disagree.
[06:48] <egg> Hi
[06:48] <debugger> oh, this is odd.... ssh server starts on tcp6.. but not on tcp4.. :|
[06:48] <tweakism> caffinated: It beats Windows hands down.
[06:48] <iceman> tweakism i'd like to try darwin on the x86 ... seems to lack a lot so far
[06:49] <caffinated> tweakism: on a security level, yes.  on any other level?  I don't think so.
[06:49] <tiglionabbit> well it's pretty
[06:49] <uc50ic4more> floater - also, u asked is there was a way to "fix" the mouldings - this implies they are broken... if u simply want to ADD something to them, instead of "fix", i'd ask if i could "coat" the mouldings with a coating material... does that make sense to u?
[06:50] <uc50ic4more> floater - but do not worry - your English is better than most North American's :)
[06:50] <uc50ic4more> i think u will be understood just fine
[06:50] <tiglionabbit> uc50, it really aggravates me when a native English speaker corrects someone, and says u
[06:51] <uc50ic4more> haha - true - this whole online-speak becomes infectious
[06:51] <uc50ic4more> i have to restrain myself sometimes from using "u" in an e-mail! :)
[06:51] <uc50ic4more> or in a hand-written note to my wife
[06:51] <tiglionabbit> and there's an apostrophe error too.  North Americans'
[06:51] <iceman> I would like to Build a install around a SLACKWARE "ZIPSLACK" install, having X and kde running, with my network up, and have Windows 98 in the background to boot and irc from to "SAVE MY BUTT" untill i learn more about Repairing my linux screw up's ...
[06:52] <zAo^> lol
[06:52] <uc50ic4more> tiglionabbit - well, perhaps *i8 am one of those dubious North american's :) who speak less capable english than floater?
[06:52] <bob2> it's really quite hard to really break a linux system
[06:52] <bob2> you have to work at it
[06:52] <bob2> and not in a "oh, I wonder what happens whey I do $foo" way
[06:52] <uc50ic4more> bob2 - but i have figured it out a few times :)
[06:52] <Ubuntian> well language is all about saying more with less words/letters (economy) so "u" will probably become standard one day...
[06:52] <tiglionabbit> iceman: that sounds crazy, how is that possible?
[06:53] <uc50ic4more> Ubuntian - my friends have a 14 year old daughter than could condense War & Peace down to a brochure with her text messaging lingo
[06:53] <tiglionabbit> ubuntian: I seriously doubt that, and hope it never does.  However, for your amusement, http://freespeling.com
[06:53] <caffinated> Ubuntian: that's an unfortunate outlook.
[06:53] <iceman> bob2 i've always been inpressed by linux, doen install's from red hat 5.2 and mandrake, suse, and a lot of them ... but when i screw up, and lack dockumentation, i am a lot puppy, and just reinstall ...
[06:53] <eyequeue> Ubuntian:  but we don't have "t" in the late afternoon in .uk
[06:54] <iceman> tired or reinstalling ..
[06:54] <bob2> iceman: sure, but how on earth are you breaking it often enough that you want to automate it?
[06:54] <caffinated> Ubuntian: we've been actively discouraging that IQ-draining mode of speech for some time now in the channels I op in.
[06:54] <tiglionabbit> iceman: ubuntu should be different.
[06:55] <uc50ic4more> caffinated - is this for clarity's sake, or for the preservation of our language?
[06:55] <iceman> Question, using the live cd, how to gain premissions to fix a harddrive install ...
[06:55] <eyequeue> caffinated:  makes me want to frequent your channels, "u" is ultra-annoying
[06:55] <tiglionabbit> iceman: this will show you how to reconfigure xorg, btw: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml
[06:56] <diego> iceman: mount?
[06:56] <tiglionabbit> er, auto-reconfigure it
[06:56] <caffinated> uc50ic4more: I find it's hard to take someone seriously when i see 'hi r u help me plz tnx#!@#'
[06:56] <tiglionabbit> um, I believe there's a guide for that.  The how to fix grub from livecd guide
[06:56] <swoop> hmm this is bothering me :(
[06:56] <tiglionabbit> what?
[06:56] <caffinated> eyequeue: we're fairly strict about it in ##php
[06:56] <uc50ic4more> caffinated - those people may be the ones most in need of assistance though
[06:57] <swoop> found a perl script that supposedly changes my webmin password
[06:57] <swoop> i was never aksed what i was
[06:57] <swoop> but each time i run it and get told my password was changed it still doesnt work to login
[06:57] <iceman> No, if i screw up somethng, beingable to READ and WRITE TO the harddrive to fix the Screw up from a live cd, but it always tells me i lack the proper premissions to write the file
[06:57] <Ubuntian> i don't think it's IQ-draining, those 14 y/old don't want to waste time in a standard way of talking, i don't like it myself (the sms talk) but it has always been that way (i think)
[06:58] <caffinated> Ubuntian: talking properly isn't a waste of time though.  it's easy, and the amount of time spent abbreviating things is neglegable.
[06:58] <Brad_c> hey guys
[06:58] <eyequeue> Ubuntian:  always?  i think i'd be more likely to believe ineffective communication has always been a barrier to understanding
[06:58] <tiglionabbit> I refuse to talk to people on AIM unless they spell things right.  I tell them "if you value our conversation, you will speak intelligibly"
[06:58] <caffinated> anyhow, my opinion only, i'm not suggesting anyone here change their habits :)
[06:58] <Brad_c> is there a temperature monitor for ubuntu?
[06:58] <Brad_c> cpu
[06:58] <uc50ic4more> if anything, IM contractions may simply the horrendous complexities in English, and may actually make it a more democratic language for non-native speakers
[06:58] <debugger> how can I disable ipv6?
[06:58] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  watch who i answer in here some time, heh
[06:59] <iceman> Brad_c Superkaramba ..
[06:59] <Ubuntian> the people in the street are the ones creating the language of tommorow, not the ones doing the websters dictionnary...
[06:59] <Brad_c> iceman where can i get it?
[06:59] <justin> uc50ic4more: since when is 'you' a horrendous complexity? if anything it makes it more confusing for people that speak a language in which 'u' means something else
[06:59] <uc50ic4more> in the same way that the proposed "Euro English" conventions that have made news here and there in North America have sough to eliminate some redundancies and needless complexities, like teh letter "c"
[06:59] <eyequeue> if someone won't speak with real words, i won't choose to help them
[07:00] <iceman> Brad_c kde-look.org .. or apt-get it ...
[07:00] <tiglionabbit> http://i.somethingawful.com/inserts/articlepics/photoshop/06-03-05-software/Unkempt.jpg
[07:00] <iceman> gkrellm as another package ..
[07:00] <eyequeue> if enough find the gibberish-speak gets them left in the cold, maybe they'll learn to speak in actual english
[07:00] <baaaH> hello, i want to use fluxbox with gnome-panel on Ubuntu, how to do that?
[07:01] <Chastaghir> Hello all, is there a possibility to add more harddisks to the "computer:///"-overview of nautilus?
[07:01] <diego> baaaH: have you installed fluxbox?
[07:01] <iceman> baaaH apt-get install fluxbox
[07:01] <baaaH> yes
[07:01] <baaaH> i installed flux
[07:01] <baaaH> box
[07:01] <diego> baaaH: are you running it?
[07:01] <baaaH> i'm in windows for now
[07:01] <tiglionabbit> chastaghir: yes, add them to /etc/fstab
[07:01] <Brad_c> thanks iceman
[07:01] <baaaH> but i've loaded it erlier..fluxbox works
[07:01] <Chastaghir> I added them there
[07:01] <egg> fluxbox,blackbox,whitebox,openbox...
[07:02] <Chastaghir> is there a special mount point?
[07:02] <diego> baaaH: wtf..heh...well run fluxbox and then just open gnome-panel
[07:02] <baaaH> how to load gnomepanel, and how to make it to load automaticly?
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> oh that's right, nautilus doesn't...
[07:02] <diego> baaaH: couldn't tell you how to make it automatically happen off the top of my head
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> well, you can navigate to their mount point, or you can pin that directory
[07:02] <eyequeue> Chastaghir:  "filesysem" should cover all of them, if you mount them
[07:02] <Ubuntian> when there is new words, different words, that convey more meaning, or the same meaning faster, that means the language is evolving, that it is alive, (but again i don't like the sms talk either)
[07:03] <dooglus> man, every time the phone rings, I press 'space' to pause mplayer.  when i finish on the phone I press 'space' again to unpause it, but mplayer has locked up.
[07:03] <diego> baaaH: use an xterm to open it with `gnome-panel &` or something
[07:03] <dooglus> if I try it without the phone ringing, space works fine and doesn't lock mplayer up.
[07:03] <dooglus> is this a known bug?
[07:03] <Chastaghir> i know, but I want to create a as much as possible windows-like environment for my girl-friend. filesystem is evil for her :-)
[07:03] <tiglionabbit> I've seen in several programs I can pin directories to a common list.  It appears under the Places menu.  How do you do this from nautilus though?
[07:03] <uc50ic4more> justin - point taken .. to someone trying to learn english, "u" could do more harm than good
[07:03] <uc50ic4more> eyequeue - I hope you never land a tech support gig in the inner city or deep South anywhere :)
[07:03] <eyequeue> dooglus:  yes, murphy wrote a law about it :)
[07:03] <egg> Chastaghir:  OSX
[07:04] <tiglionabbit> dooglus: try VLC?
[07:04] <eyequeue> uc50ic4more:  i hope so even more :)
[07:04] <egg> Chastaghir:  iBook +OSX
[07:04] <diego> peace
[07:04] <justin> tiglionabbit: not sure if you can, but you can do it from any gtk2 open dialog
[07:04] <Chastaghir> :-)
[07:04] <uc50ic4more> dooglus - forgive me for asking the obvious, but by "phone ringing", you are referring to a VOIP phone, not a land line? If a land line ringing somehow affects your mplayer, you may require an exorcist
[07:04] <psychonate|away> tiglionabbit: Is it alright to just killall gdm?
[07:04] <Rumbo> Hi all
[07:04] <eyequeue> uc50ic4more:  :)
[07:04] <tiglionabbit> psychonate: Uh, I wouldn't if I were you.  Why not just stop it?
[07:04] <psychonate|away> tiglionabbit: gdm has no stop option, and the gdm-stop script isn't present in Ubuntu
[07:04] <Ubuntian> uc50ic4more, maybe just doing space twice affects it
[07:05] <egg> Chastaghir:  low-tech sulution
[07:05] <tiglionabbit> really?  It  worked for me when I did it, I believe.  can't you say sudo gdm stop ?
[07:05] <eyequeue> psychonate:  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[07:05] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  ^^
[07:05] <bob2> tiglionabbit: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop?
[07:05] <tiglionabbit> oh, yeah, the init one
[07:05] <Rumbo> just installed Ubuntu for the first time..Everything works fine except that when i try to build otcl-1.9, configure script complains about not finding X header files
[07:05] <Chastaghir> but there must me the chance to add some items to "computer:///", I think. And it must be cheaper than an ibook
[07:05] <psychonate|away> tiglionabbit: "gdm already running. Aborting!"
[07:05] <Rumbo> i already installed x-dev package
[07:05] <tiglionabbit> psychonate: use eyequeue's version
[07:06] <eyequeue> Chastaghir:  you're looking to mount things
[07:06] <justin> psychonate|away: /etc/init.d/gdm
[07:06] <dooglus> uc50ic4more: it's the land line.
[07:06] <tiglionabbit> chastaghir: can you make a link?
[07:06] <tiglionabbit> wait, that wouldn't make sense
[07:06] <bob2> Rumbo: so, install them.  sudo aptityde install xlibs-dev build-essential.
[07:06] <psychonate|away> justin: ah, ty
[07:06] <dooglus> tiglionabbit: I tried VLC but it won't go full screen properly
[07:06] <Rumbo> anyone know what package contains the X11/Intrinsic.h file?
[07:07] <bob2> Rumbo: er, aptitude.
[07:07] <tiglionabbit> dooglus: even when you double-click on the screen?
[07:07] <tiglionabbit> it works for me =P
[07:07] <dooglus> tiglionabbit: when you ask it to go full screen, it takes over all my monitors
[07:07] <Rumbo> i already installed xlibs-dev
[07:07] <eyequeue> Chastaghir:  perhaps you're coming from a non-unix background.  in unix, everything is a "file", including pipes, devices, and even files.  you mount a filesystem (which is on a hard drive, for example) and then it is yet another file
[07:07] <lotusleaf> Now that the backports have mirrors, is there an ETA on GPG signing?
[07:07] <dooglus> tiglionabbit: I usually only want to watch a movie on one screen
[07:07] <tiglionabbit> dooglus: really?  Using XFCE, I can still change desktop while it is in fullscreen
[07:07] <Ubuntian> what's your res dooglus ?
[07:07] <Rumbo> strangely enough, it supplied /usr/X11R6/include files but not that particular Intrinsic.h file
[07:08] <bob2> Rumbo: you're using hoary, right?
[07:08] <uc50ic4more> dooglus - are you messing with my head, dude?! :)    -- do i understand you correctly: when you space twice to pause resume mplayer when the phone does NOT ring, there are no problems, but when you perform the same actions when the phone IS ringing, it buggers up? if i need to go re-read your question again, i apologize for the confusion
[07:08] <dooglus> Ubuntian: 1280x1024 and 1024x768
[07:08] <eyequeue> Chastaghir:  read "man mount" for specifics on how to mount things, and the file /etc/fstab is used to auto-mount things at boot (man fstab)
[07:08] <Rumbo> hm ok guys
[07:08] <bob2> Rumbo: anyway, http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[07:08] <Rumbo> i didn't use that build-essential command
[07:08] <dooglus> uc50ic4more: that's about it.  uc50ic4more it might be that phone calls are longer than the time I paused for in my other tests
[07:08] <uc50ic4more> dooglus - it is only 1pm where I am, and I have not yet had my Morning coffee :)
[07:08] <tiglionabbit> eyequeue: he knows how to mount things.  He wants to do something visually here
[07:08] <Rumbo> it seems that that command installs more packages
[07:09] <eyequeue> uc50ic4more:  damn, scary! (here too!)
[07:09] <bob2> Rumbo: you need to install build-essential.
[07:09] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  visually?  a gui thing?
[07:09] <bob2> Rumbo: libxt-dev contains the Intinsics.h file, but use http://packages.ubuntu.com/ in future.
[07:09] <tiglionabbit> yeah, he said he wants to make it show his mount points in the top of nautilus
[07:09] <Chastaghir> No, that's not what I mean. I'm had run debian for 4 years. I want to know, where to place a link, that the link is seen in computer:/// of nautilus
[07:09] <bob2> LoRez: what's going on?
[07:09] <eyequeue> tiglionabbit:  as in a separate icon?  ahhh
[07:09] <tiglionabbit> btw, christaughir, KDE's Konqueror will do that just the way you want it
[07:09] <uc50ic4more> dooglus - is your phone line in any way connected to your system via a modem? I wonder if there might be some DC leaking in your modem when the ring current comes down the pike
[07:09] <Lafitte-> where do i go in gnome to control the supend features ?
[07:10] <LoRez> bob2: looks like spam-clones to me
[07:10] <tiglionabbit> christaghir: you could install kubuntu-desktop
[07:10] <bob2> LoRez: did you guys kill them or did they do it themselves?
[07:10] <bob2> Lafitte-: it's not in the gnome control panel
[07:10] <LoRez> bob2: the freenode-connect killed them.
[07:10] <eyequeue> Chastaghir:  perhaps that's the problem, in linux it's all just another sub-part of /
[07:10] <Lafitte-> bob2,  oic    a script ?
[07:10] <bob2> LoRez: ah
[07:10] <dooglus> uc50ic4more: the phone isn't connected to the pc.  and the network comes up the chimney from an office downstairs.
[07:10] <bob2> Lafitte-: depends what you're trying to control.
[07:11] <Lafitte-> bob2,  i want to disable suspend over a time duration
[07:11] <Rumbo_> on an ubuntu sidenote...anyone know a good tool to find memleaks in c++ programs (i normally use valgrind, but in this case it fails to pinpoint the problem)
[07:11] <Lafitte-> bob2,  i dont want anything to suspend after sitting awhile
[07:11] <Chastaghir> hm, my problem had to wait. Now I'm going to see StarWars in Cinema. Thx
[07:11] <bob2> Lafitte-: ubuntu doesn't automatically suspend
[07:12] <bob2> Lafitte-: closest it comes is blanking the screen
[07:12] <jahor> pls i have one little problem with my ubuntu with dependancy... i installed kismet from deb sid (because ubuntu's is old version) with --force-depends but now, i could not use dist-upgrade... it asks for fixing glibc dependancy or to install ubuntu's old veriosn of kismet... is there a clear sollution to this (pinning or so...)
[07:12] <eyequeue> Rumbo:  leaktracer - Simple and efficient memory-leak tracer for C++ programs
[07:12] <uc50ic4more> dooglus - well, the timing of the pressing of the space is the only variable can think of as the culprit... Can you try testing that with different time spans... i can call you to help time the presses of the space bar if you'd like  :)
[07:12] <eyequeue> Rumbo:  never tried it, just poking in apt-cache and found it
[07:12] <dooglus> uc50ic4more: ugh.
[07:12] <Rumbo_> thanks eyequeue never heard of that, will check it out
[07:12] <tiglionabbit> christagir: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21508
[07:12] <bob2> jahor: er, remove it
[07:12] <srockett> Lafitte-> keep an eye on the xscreensaver settings.. there is a setting to suspend. I forgot to disable the screensaver and my server shutdown on me
[07:12] <bob2> jahor: and install the ubuntu one
[07:13] <bob2> jahor: and don't do that again
[07:13] <Lafitte-> bob2,  hrmm   ive been wakeing up to a sleeping comp
[07:13] <dooglus> uc50ic4more: the phone calls were offers of work - so pretty soon I'll have a proper job and won't be sitting around #ubuntu playing with linux all day :)
[07:13] <Lafitte-> srockett,  oic  ill look there
[07:13] <bob2> jahor: --force-depends will utterly screw apt, do not do it if you expect to use apt or aptitude or synaptic again
[07:13] <bob2> jahor: if you want the newer version, build the sid source package on ubuntu
[07:13] <uc50ic4more> dooglus - have you tried a different audio driver? and for Pete's sake don't go getting a job until we've worked this out! :)
[07:14] <bob2> Lafitte-: that is odd
[07:14] <bob2> Lafitte-: maybe it's a bios setting
[07:14] <dooglus> uc50ic4more: initially I was having problems with the lip-sync in mplayer.
[07:14] <dooglus> but somebody suggested that I use + and - to adjust the timing of the audio.
[07:14] <tiglionabbit> dooglus: me too
[07:14] <jahor> bob2: i have already source here and i'm prepared to rebuild this package... i want to fix this just for "i know for tommotow)
[07:14] <tiglionabbit> dooglus: that's what I did
[07:14] <bob2> jahor: apt won't work until you get rid of it
[07:14] <dooglus> that worked.  pressing - twice adds just the right delay, for all my movies.
[07:15] <tiglionabbit> but then I switched to vlc and it was better
[07:15] <dooglus> tiglionabbit: I tried using -ao with all the different options, but alsa, oss, and several others all caused the same 200ms delay
[07:15] <jahor> bob2: the only problem with sid's package is that it depends on "ds" suffixed but the same version of glibc
[07:15] <tiglionabbit> er, chastaghir
[07:15] <bob2> jahor: yes, indeed, which will a) possibly break kismet and b) will definitely break apt
[07:15] <tiglionabbit> I kept spelling that wrong
[07:16] <uc50ic4more> dooglus - even if altering the sync worked, it is still a remedy for an issue that should be avoidable in the first place.. i'd switch audio drivers if you can... i use a RME hammerfall proefssional audio card with ALSA & JACK, so sadly,  i do not know much about the drivers and their interactions with consumer cards
[07:16] <Rumbo_> one other thing... where do you guys get your packages from? I noticed the synaptic package manager only displayed a small amount of packages available for installation. Is it possible to add a good source with more package-variety? Or are those the only ones supported with ubuntu?
[07:16] <dooglus> I just paused it for 55 seconds and it resumed ok
[07:16] <bob2> Rumbo_: don't add random package sources from outside ubuntu
[07:16] <tiglionabbit> dooglus: I just go in options and set audio-delay -.55
[07:16] <bob2> Rumbo_: perhaps you didn't read wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto yet and enable the universe repository
[07:16] <dooglus> uc50ic4more: you're just showing off now ;)
[07:16] <jahor> bob2: thanx... i just wanted to hack it cleanly... now i see u need to compile ;o)
[07:16] <bob2> jahor: you can just compile the sid source package
[07:17] <dooglus> tiglionabbit: in ~/.mplayer/config?  or where?
[07:17] <bob2> jahor: so you get a .deb of the new version that is properly installable on ubuntu
[07:17] <uc50ic4more> dooglus - far from showing off, i am copping to being ignorant of a vital component of a well rounded system
[07:17] <devDe1ay> ubuntu installer > yellowdog installer when you can't boot from cd
[07:17] <eyequeue> Rumbo:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:17] <jahor> bob2: i know... but most of the time (evening) i'm not online and i didn't have all the damn -dev packages ;o)
[07:17] <bob2> jahor: ah, right
[07:18] <Rumbo_> i didn't know there was a wiki even, been having lotsa work so i had to rush through install (didn't read a lot of info about it :-s )
[07:18] <dooglus> hmmm.  a pause of 2:02 was fine too.
[07:18] <dooglus> these weren't long phone calls
[07:18] <tiglionabbit> dooglus: in preferences in the gui
[07:18] <dooglus> tiglionabbit: I don't have a gui
[07:18] <tiglionabbit> you're not using gmplayer?
[07:18] <anubisds> dudes, does anyone have a hauppauge PVR working with ubuntu and xawtv?
[07:19] <dooglus> tiglionabbit: no, mplayer
[07:19] <tiglionabbit> oh, well then read the manual or something
[07:19] <jahor> btw that brings a question... is there a ubu extra cd with devels ? or i need to debmirror whole ubu ?
[07:19] <lsuactiafner> what do i need to change to upgrade glibc to experimentals 2.3.5?
[07:20] <bob2> jahor: depends what you want
[07:20] <bob2> lsuactiafner: er, why do you want to do that?
[07:21] <tiglionabbit> *yawn*  well I'm gonna take a nap.  bye
[07:21] <bob2> adios
[07:21] <lsuactiafner> bob2 : so i can use glx 2.0 with new nvidia drivers
[07:21] <lsuactiafner> i know its a bad idea..
[07:22] <bob2> it's a very very bad idea
[07:22] <bob2> so bad that your hoary system won't boot if you do it
[07:22] <dooglus> looks to me like -audio-delay is an encoding option.
[07:22] <lsuactiafner> bob2 : debian ppl upgraded and it worked
[07:22] <lsuactiafner> nvidia forum
[07:22] <bob2> lsuactiafner: indeed, debian isn't ubuntu
[07:22] <bob2> dooglus: try -autosync 30
[07:23] <jahor> bob2: i want to have all -deb packages related to packages i have installed... i wrote some bash foo for installing them but it didn't work ;o)
[07:23] <bob2> lsuactiafner: why do you want that version instead of the one in hoary?
[07:23] <lsuactiafner> dooglus : and make sure your kernel does rtc
[07:24] <lsuactiafner> bob2 : becuase the one in hoary has screwed my system up before, the one in hoary is old and why would i want a middle man between me and nvidia..
[07:24] <lotusleaf> what's up with the synaptic update listed in backports? "0.56+revertedto+officialhoary+0.55+cvs20050406-1~5.04ubp1"
[07:24] <jahor> bob2: the whole problem is that i came from slack/arch/crux and i used to have all for compiling out of the box ;o)
[07:24] <bob2> lsuactiafner: it screwed it up before? how? did you file a bug?
[07:25] <bob2> lsuactiafner: it's not "old", it's just not the absolute latest version
[07:25] <bob2> lsuactiafner: and you want a "middleman" so that someone checks it actually works
[07:25] <lsuactiafner> bob2 : no.. screwed up as in glx was broken beyond my power to repair
[07:25] <dooglus> bob2: -autosync changes how quickly mplayer adjusts the sync when it's correcting it.  the problem i'm having is that mplayer doesn't know that anything needs adjusting.
[07:25] <bob2> lsuactiafner: did you file a bug?
[07:25] <bob2> dooglus: ah
[07:26] <lsuactiafner> bob2 : no, after spending hours to try fix it and not finding out what was wrong i didnt have anything to report
[07:26] <lsuactiafner> but broken glx
[07:26] <bob2> lsuactiafner: thats a bug that should have been reported
[07:26] <IFRFLYR> HI. I have 2.6.10-5-386 and I'd really like to upgrade it; people on ubuntu-devel mentioned my centrino machine (1.5GHz Intel Centrino Pentium M Processor 715A) can handle 586 not 386 stuff. Is this linux-image-2.6.10-5-686  or am I missing the whole idea?
[07:27] <lsuactiafner> suppose but ubuntu-devel would just reply 'dont install nvidia drivers we didnt put on apt and then try run apt'
[07:27] <eyequeue> IFRFLYR:  that would be the one
[07:27] <bob2> IFRFLYR: install linux-686
[07:27] <lsuactiafner> IFRFLYR : it can handel i686 i think
[07:27] <Joe_Powerbook> is the tracker coming back online soon?
[07:27] <IFRFLYR> Thank you all
[07:27] <bob2> lsuactiafner: yes, if you have problems with the ones from nvidia.com, you are on your own
[07:28] <bob2> lsuactiafner: if you have problems with the ones in Hoary, that's a bug people will look at seriously
[07:28] <debugger> IFRFLYR, humm, it can hable 386 stuff just fine... you must have missunderstood then.
[07:28] <debugger> err them
[07:28] <Gh0sty> anyone here have dualscreen running with twinview (not xinerama) on hoary ?
[07:28] <|Amon|> Can someone point me to some documentation which will help me get rid of this 640x480 screen res?
[07:28] <IFRFLYR> debugger. No, they said, "Hmm, you're running 386...You could do with upgrading to the 586 stuff
[07:29] <lsuactiafner> bob2 : doesnt make sense for an ubuntu maintainer to edit a package to work with hoary, hoary should be changed to comply to the standards that will make any implementation of the driver, from me or a maintainer work
[07:29] <bob2> |Amon|: what video chipset?
[07:29] <|Amon|> radeon 9200se
[07:29] <bob2> lsuactiafner: I don't understand what that means
[07:29] <jpfarias> hey people
[07:29] <allergique> hello
[07:29] <bob2> lsuactiafner: you seem to not understand what the point of the nvidia ubuntu packages are
[07:29] <jpfarias> is there a way to use another app to download files on apt-get?
[07:29] <debugger> IFRFLYR, well, where in that sentece they said it can't hande 386 stuff? hehe
[07:29] <refuze2looze> does anybody know what aclocal is? i'm compiling something from source and when i make it complaines that i don't have aclocal-1.6
[07:29] <bob2> lsuactiafner: and if nvidia is actually building things that require glibc 2.3.5, they're utterly insane
[07:29] <Gh0sty> jpfarias: console or x based?
[07:30] <bob2> refuze2looze: install automake-1.6
[07:30] <jpfarias> console or x
[07:30] <bob2> jpfarias: no, why?
[07:30] <jpfarias> any will do
[07:30] <lsuactiafner> bob2 : ubuntu should follow the standards so an nvidia driver can install on my system without a maintainer tweaking @ it
[07:30] <jpfarias> bob2, I want to use axel to open multiple connections
[07:30] <refuze2looze> bob2: thanks i'll try
[07:30] <bob2> lsuactiafner: no, that's not how it works
[07:30] <Gh0sty> jpfarias: try aptitude for x
[07:30] <lsuactiafner> but i do understand 2.3.5 is beyound ubuntu control
[07:30] <bob2> jpfarias: how would that help?  apt already downloads from each server simultaneously.
[07:30] <debugger> I don0t get this... the only "manual" for ubuntu is ubuntu guide???   I'm looking for info on how to manage the boot scripts, but so far, I didn't found any info :(
[07:31] <lsuactiafner> hey if it works in slackware mandrake redhat is has to work in ubuntu..
[07:31] <eyequeue> lsuactiafner:  actually, standards?  nvidia should open the specs so all of this conversation becomes irrelevant, really
[07:31] <jpfarias> bob2: but not multiple threads for each file :)
[07:31] <bob2> debugger: it's basically identical on any sysv-init system
[07:31] <bob2> jpfarias: how would that help?
[07:31] <Gh0sty> anyone here have dualscreen running with twinview (not xinerama) on hoary ?
[07:31] <|Amon|> bob2 ?
[07:31] <bob2> lsuactiafner: and the dodgy nvidia installer will work as well on ubuntu as it would on them
[07:31] <bob2> lsuactiafner: but there's no point, and it means you're on your own if it breaks
[07:31] <jpfarias> bob2: when I use multiple threads for each file I can download N times faster
[07:31] <bob2> jpfarias: no, sorry
[07:31] <lsuactiafner> ie, if it works in slackware mandrake redhat it HAS to work in ubuntu.. so no tweaking @ packages from nvidia..
[07:31] <debugger> bob2, on RH you have chkconfig, on gentoo you have rc.update, on ubuntu what we have??
[07:31] <dalbjerg> hello, anyone how has a T42 ??? I want to know how you disable the touchpad, in ubuntu ?
[07:32] <dooglus> debugger: try sysv-rc-conf for managing boot scripts
[07:32] <bob2> debugger: update-rc.d and rm and rcconf and sysv-rc-conf
[07:32] <bwlang> dalbjerg: ther is a programm called qsynaptic i think.... that will let you disable it
[07:32] <bwlang> dalbjerg: you can also disable it in the bios
[07:32] <dalbjerg> bwlang, thx
[07:32] <bob2> jpfarias: how would that work?  you have some amount of bandwdith between you and the mirror.  the mirror is not limiting the amount of bandwidth per http connection.
[07:32] <allergique> I need help
[07:33] <debugger> dockane, bob2: where did you find out about those?
[07:33] <bob2> jpfarias: connecting again just means you split the available bandwidth (Which is constant) between multiple downloads
[07:33] <bob2> debugger: by using debian for 5 years
[07:33] <allergique> I'm connected to network (update works well) but no Web!!!
[07:33] <bob2> debugger: normal ubuntu users don't need to know or care, since they can just remove things they don't want to run
[07:34] <refuze2looze> bob2: installed automake1.6 but still getting that error
[07:34] <debugger> bob2, so, so if I follow the debian manual I would be fine with ubuntu?
[07:34] <bob2> debugger: not in general
[07:34] <bob2> debugger: but yes in this case
[07:34] <Gh0sty> debugger: yes
[07:34] <debugger> bob2, humm, so no manual for ubuntu??
[07:34] <Gh0sty> anyone here have dualscreen running with twinview (not xinerama) with nvidia card on hoary ?
[07:35] <bob2> debugger: wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:35] <Gh0sty> debugger: ubuntu is largely debian with some graphical extras
[07:35] <debugger> bob2, well, forgive me, but readind a wiki sucks hard. :(
[07:36] <bob2> debugger: ok!
[07:36] <bob2> there's not much to surprise a seasoned linux/unix user.
[07:36] <debugger> bob2, did you ever read FreeBSD handbook?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> debugger: lots here too >> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/index.html#contents
[07:37] <lsuactiafner> heh i read bsd handbook, most HOWTOs ect but ubuntu still confused me..
[07:37] <bob2> debugger: no
[07:37] <refuze2looze> bob2: any idea? here's part of the error: aclocal: configure.in: 8: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library
[07:37] <debugger> bob2, oh, the FBSD handbook rocks!  pleanty of nice documentation, all in one place.
[07:37] <refuze2looze> and then WARNING: `aclocal-1.6' is needed, and you do not seem to have it handy on your... etc etc
[07:37] <bob2> refuze2looze: what are you trying to compile?
[07:38] <refuze2looze> a program that converts a CloneCD image file to .iso (ccd2iso)
[07:38] <misfit_toy> has anyone had any success with ndiswrapper and a linksys wpc54g? I have it installed per instructions, module loades, lights come on, but there is never connectivity?
[07:38] <Rumbo_> stupid question now: but apparantly the terminal does not load .profile script or the .bash_profile script
[07:38] <thoreauputic> debugger: ubuntu started last year - I guess such things will come with time and contributions from the community
[07:39] <Rumbo_> what file do you have to put your profile in then? (standard installed terminal)
[07:39] <allergique> I'm connected to network (update works well) but I can't surf web (with firefox and lynx)!!!What can be?
[07:39] <Rumbo_> allergique: you might need a proxy server set (firefox uses its own proxyservr setting)
[07:40] <bob2> Rumbo_: that's a terminal emulator issue
[07:40] <thoreauputic> Rumbo_: ~/.bashrc or /etc/bash.bashrc
[07:40] <Rumbo_> ok thank you
[07:40] <bob2> Rumbo_: those files are only sourced for login shells.  either put your stuff in bashrc like thoreauputic says, or tell your terminal to be a login shell (-ls for xterm)
[07:40] <allergique> i'm behind nat, but why I need proxy? with other distro I never need it
[07:41] <jpfarias> bob2: the problem is with my internal network
[07:41] <debugger> thoreauputic, I see. thx.
[07:41] <bob2> jpfarias: ?
[07:41] <jpfarias> bob2: it appears that if I open multiple connections I can download files faster
[07:41] <refuze2looze> you don't know how i can get aclocal ?
[07:41] <bob2> jpfarias: that's really screwed
[07:42] <jpfarias> bob2: downloading with wget I reach only 5-10 Kbps
[07:42] <bob2> refuze2looze: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[07:42] <debugger> bob2, you known what uses the file /etc/modprobe.d/aliases ?
[07:42] <jpfarias> bob2: downloading with axel and n = 10 I can reach 100-150 Kbps
[07:42] <bob2> debugger: nothing, afaik
[07:43] <bob2> jpfarias: fixing your network is a lot less effort than making apt even more complicated
[07:43] <debugger> bob2, humm, so how does ubuntu load the ipv6 module?
[07:43] <jpfarias> bob2: I know it's weird, but I'm not the network admin
[07:43] <debugger> bob2, I mean, when the system starts, it loads a bunch of modules, but how? and why?
[07:43] <bob2> jpfarias: then use rsync or something to make a local mirror
[07:43] <bob2> jpfarias: apt can't do what you're asking, sorry
[07:43] <bob2> debugger: lots of ways
[07:43] <anubisds> anyone know about ivtv?
[07:44] <bob2> debugger: /etc/modules, hotplug probes hardware and loads stuff for it...
[07:44] <mwh_> hi, i'm using ubuntu hoary, and I noticed some wird err... I have a usb flash card reader .. and when I connect it, it does not get mounted automatically .. I have to issue the mount cmd myself .. what can be wrong?
[07:44] <mwh_> also, I had it pluged in while booting up my system
[07:44] <jpfarias> bob2: how many space a local mirror would take?
[07:44] <bob2> mwh_: unplug it, reboot, plug it in.  do you see the same issue?
[07:45] <mwh_> I dont know
[07:45] <teeagoo> someone had a scanner hp 3600 driver?
[07:45] <allergique> Rumbo_:what I must do with proxy please?
[07:45] <bob2> mwh_: so go try it
[07:45] <refuze2looze> bob2: obviously i've tried that already
[07:45] <bob2> refuze2looze: ...
[07:45] <mwh_> bob2: okay, ill do that, but if the problem is solved then what?
[07:45] <bob2> mwh_: then this is how usb works
[07:45] <bob2> I'd assume
[07:45] <anubisds> schwing
[07:45] <mwh_> bob2: really ...
[07:45] <bob2> you can file a bug if you think it's a big issue
[07:46] <bob2> refuze2looze: and you can run it manually?
[07:46] <mwh_> I think its a bad thing because people will find Ubuntu broken if their usb stuff does not work
[07:46] <bob2> jpfarias: 5.4GB for warty + hoary + breezy, i386, main + restricted
[07:46] <bob2> mwh_: usb stuff works fine
[07:46] <mwh_> Ubuntu linux is so great, you have to reboot to get it working ;)
[07:46] <jpfarias> bob2: thanks
[07:46] <bob2> mwh_: does windows mount usb sticks that are inserted during boot?
[07:46] <bob2> mwh_: er, no, you just have to plug it in
[07:47] <WhiteRabbit> unmount & mount are wonderful cmds
[07:47] <mwh_> bob2: I pluged it in
[07:47] <anubisds> it sounds more like an automount setting
[07:47] <mwh_> and pulled it out
[07:47] <bob2> anubisds: ubuntu doesn't use automount
[07:47] <anubisds> doot da doo let me go back to my corner
[07:47] <mwh_> I have gnome configured to automount the device and show its files in a window
[07:47] <refuze2looze> bob2: run what manually? ccd2iso?
[07:47] <bob2> refuze2looze: aclocal-1.6
[07:48] <hondje> man aclocal-1.6
[07:48] <mwh_> I can tell that the kernel finds the device when its plugin from dmesg
[07:48] <mwh_> so it must be higher in the software stack that something goes wrong
[07:48] <debugger> bob2, I see. thx.
[07:48] <mwh_> maybe its a service which needs to be restarted or something
[07:49] <Amaranth> someone say my name?
[07:49] <Amaranth> i've got like a 3000 line scrollback but it's only 3 hours in this channel
[07:49] <refuze2looze> bob2: well i just got make to work but it compiled with errors.. so nevermind i guess =/
[07:51] <misfit_toy> has anyone had any success with ndiswrapper and a linksys wpc54g? I have it installed per instructions, module loades, lights come on, but there is never connectivity? I'm very close to conquering this thing, just not sure what to check next?
[07:52] <refuze2looze> bob2: i'll just install a .deb i found of an older verison (the first one) and hope its good enough
[07:52] <AndyR> misfit_toy, i have had success with linksys wusb54g and ndiswrapper
[07:53] <refuze2looze> okay, this version doesn't work right... oh well
[07:53] <Gh0sty> anyone have dualscreen running with nvidia twinview ????
[07:53] <lotusleaf> is the Synaptic update listed in backports an actual update? it says something about a revert
[07:53] <AndyR> misfit_toy, i had to use the driver from linksys website not the 1 on cd
[07:53] <osiris> has anyone had any troubles getting certain non-free packages with the sources they give you on ubuntuguide? im trying to install w32codecs and flashplayer-mozilla but apt cant find the packages but ive added the ones that ubuntuguide tells you to add? any help would be really appreciated
[07:53] <lotusleaf> "0.56+revertedto+officialhoary+0.55+cvs20050406-1~5.04ubp1"
[07:54] <Gh0sty> osiris: you have universal ?
[07:54] <misfit_toy> AndyR, I followed the ndiswrapper howto at the ubuntu wiki and I've got the lights on now, I got the drivers specifically for the card, but not from linksys, however they do load correctly.
[07:54] <misfit_toy> AndyR, I guess I will try the linksys site then, thanks.
[07:54] <Gh0sty> osiris: oh yes, you run apt-get update first???
[07:55] <AndyR> np
[07:55] <Gh0sty> i got w32codecs and stuff, but mplayer crashes from time to time :(
[07:55] <lsuactiafner> Gh0sty : dont be lazy compile it yourself and you will see it wont crash
[07:55] <bob2> lotusleaf: that would be the backports people reverting one of their backports to the version in hoary
[07:55] <Gh0sty> lsuactiafner: i will
[07:55] <bob2> lotusleaf: since the one they backported originally was screwed
[07:56] <osiris> Gh0sty, i have univers and multivers
[07:56] <lsuactiafner> packages put in as many functions as possible.. chances are you DONT need nas ect
[07:56] <lotusleaf> bob2, lol ok thanks ;)
[07:56] <osiris> but still.
[07:56] <bob2> lotusleaf: really, it's better to avoid them entirely if at all possible
[07:56] <swoop> anybody had experience in getting webmin working ?
[07:56] <Gh0sty> but i need to get dualscreen running!!!! :(
[07:56] <lotusleaf> bob2, thx ;-) Appreciate the answer
[07:56] <Gh0sty> its not fair, i like ubuntu but if i can't get dualscreen running in a week i switch back to debian sid
[07:56] <lotusleaf> bob2, are you saying it's better to avoid using ubuntu backports? But I thought it was made official and pending gpg sigs and such?
[07:57] <bob2> lotusleaf: er
[07:57] <theD3viL> How to set up my KDE to iso-8859-2 fonts? .. or win-1250 ? =/
[07:57] <bob2> lotusleaf: the current backports project has no vetting by anyone aside from the people oding it
[07:57] <blotter> i think a reinstall is in order since i did an upgrade, but here is the situation...everytime i view web pages with firefox OR mozilla, my web browser closes...i cant even view the forums.. when i type in www.ubuntuforums.org, it crashes immediately.
[07:57] <osiris> Can anyone send me a copy of there sources.list?
[07:57] <bob2> theD3viL: #kubuntu might be a better place to ask
[07:57] <bob2> osiris: that's a bad idea
[07:58] <bob2> osiris: "sudo apt-setup" will generate a new one for you
[07:58] <theD3viL> bob2, k
[07:58] <lotusleaf> bob2, ah, I read on the forums that it was going to be official then, right? But it's not currently?
[07:58] <Gh0sty> osiris: do you have both the backports also??
[07:58] <bob2> lotusleaf: perhaps in the future, but not currently
[07:58] <lotusleaf> bob2, any documented examples thus far of serious problems resulting from use of backports?
[07:58] <bob2> lotusleaf: the backports they made for warty prevented people from upgrading to hoary
[07:58] <osiris> Gh0sty, yes
[07:59] <lotusleaf> bob2, ouch
[07:59] <bob2> lotusleaf: they somehow managed to get breezy's libc6 in their staging repository, which made hoary machines unbootable
[07:59] <misfit_toy> AndyR, interesting, linksys has no drivers for the WPC54G on their site that I can see.
[07:59] <lotusleaf> bob2, o_O
[07:59] <lotusleaf> bob2, thx for mentioning this. :)
[07:59] <osiris> Gh0sty, can you try and apt-get install w32codecs and see if it works for you?
[07:59] <bob2> np
[07:59] <Gh0sty> osiris and you did an update after you added the new sources ??
[07:59] <osiris> If it does then i know its just my sources
[07:59] <lotusleaf> bob2, do many people use backports?
[07:59] <osiris> Gh0sty, Of course
[08:00] <bob2> lotusleaf: I don't know
[08:00] <thoreauputic> lotusleaf: too many ;/
[08:00] <lotusleaf> the lack of gpg signing concerns me
[08:00] <bob2> lotusleaf: all we see here are the people who are using them and got screwed over, which is not an unbiased sample
[08:00] <lotusleaf> thoreauputic, how so?
[08:00] <Gh0sty>  apt-cache search w32codecs
[08:00] <Gh0sty> w32codecs - win32 binary codecs
[08:00] <osiris> damn lol
[08:00] <Gh0sty> hm, that should've been 1 line :)
[08:00] <thoreauputic> lotusleaf: what bob2 just said ;)
[08:00] <lotusleaf> bob2, interesting thx
[08:01] <bob2> lotusleaf: I'd assume the majority of people who use them don't have problems
[08:01] <Gh0sty> osiris: i send you the lines in pm?
[08:01] <jind> Does anybodu know of a X program which lets me move a window from one screen to another?
[08:01] <osiris> Gh0sty, Yeah please
[08:01] <bob2> lotusleaf: but unfortunately the sort of people who tend to use them are the sort of people who can't fix problems that might arise
[08:01] <lotusleaf> bob2, that's good to hear
[08:01] <jind> I have setup without xinerama and therefore cannot move between screens
[08:01] <lotusleaf> bob2, it's good to hear about the experiences you've had in here thus far regarding ppl who use them though
[08:01] <ppax> hi, has anybody got mono 1.1.7 and winforms to work on ubuntu
[08:02] <jind> I know it's possible though since I once read a man page with that command. But now I can't remember what the name was
[08:02] <jind> Does anybody know?
[08:02] <bob2> xmove?
[08:02] <bob2> but that's not what it does
[08:02] <jind> brb *man xmove*
[08:03] <thoreauputic> lotusleaf: using , say, one package then commenting the line out afterwards in sources.list might be a reasonable approach - but you need to be aware of the possible issues
[08:03] <lotusleaf> If the backports maintainer(s) can't or won't use gpg signing I would hope at the very least (considering there are mirrors being used now rather than one central source) they consider having an md5/sha1 hashes list as a precaution
[08:03] <misfit_toy> man, this is frustrating, i mean the wireless NIC is configured, the modules load perfectly, lspci lists my NIC, the lights are on, I just get no connectivity, I even have hardcoded the IP in case it was a DHCP issue, still no joy, darnit.
[08:03] <bob2> lotusleaf: the Packages file contains md5sums of the binary .debs
[08:03] <lotusleaf> thoreauputic, very true, thx :)
[08:04] <lotusleaf> bob2, ah! Wasn't aware of this, thx ;)
[08:04] <bob2> lotusleaf: but that only "protects" you from bad downloads
[08:04] <lotusleaf> bob2, any plans on sha1?
[08:04] <lotusleaf> ;-)
[08:05] <chol> misfit_toy, and iwconfig shows your ssid and optional wep/wpa?
[08:05] <lsuactiafner> misfit_toy : what card?
[08:05] <Proteque> hey. where do I change globaly from utf-8 to something more suitable for me?
[08:06] <misfit_toy> chof yes
[08:06] <chol> Proteque, dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:06] <misfit_toy> lsuactiafner, Linksys WPC54G
[08:06] <bob2> Proteque: why don't you want utf-8?
[08:06] <Amaranth> Proteque: How is UTF-8 not suitable?
[08:06] <chol> misfit_toy, okey.. strange then
[08:06] <Proteque> bob2: because I cant change it only for aterm.
[08:07] <bob2> Proteque: why not just use xterm?
[08:07] <Proteque> bob2: lacks some eyecandy.
[08:07] <misfit_toy> Link quality 100/100 Signal level -10 dbm
[08:07] <chol> misfit_toy, the light should only come on if the card is connected so it all seems fine
[08:08] <misfit_toy> chof I know, it's very strange
[08:08] <chol> misfit_toy, what keyboard layout are you using? 'cause mine has f far from l ;)
[08:09] <thoreauputic> Proteque: you can do eye candy with gnome-terminal (although it doesn't pop up as fast, I admit)
[08:09] <misfit_toy> holy crap!!!!
[08:09] <misfit_toy> it works
[08:09] <misfit_toy> wtf?
[08:09] <chol> misfit_toy, great :)
[08:10] <Proteque> thoreauputic: it pop up terrible slow. isnt very enjoyable when i use terminals for starting apps
[08:10] <Proteque> dont like to wait.
[08:10] <chol> Proteque, do what i told you then you can choose whatever locale that suits you
[08:10] <misfit_toy> chol, hmm, wait, I can ping my router now but not getting internet, let me look at DNS again.
[08:10] <chol> misfit_toy, no default gw
[08:10] <thoreauputic> Proteque: yeah, i use aterm too for that reason
[08:10] <Rockett17> yep no default gateway or no dns resolves
[08:11] <misfit_toy> weird, the only choice for default gateway is wlan0....?!?
[08:11] <Proteque> thoreauputic: you live in a country without strange letters?
[08:11] <sorush20> hi guys...
[08:11] <sorush20> I'm having problems accessing the root user account form Ubuntu,,
[08:11] <Rumbo_> heheeheh
[08:11] <chol> misfit_toy, choice? :) just route add default gw ip.to.router to see if it works
[08:11] <thoreauputic> Proteque: heh - well yes: but man pages are still weird in aterm ;)
[08:11] <sorush20> During the installation
[08:11] <Rumbo_> sorush: there is no root user account
[08:11] <misfit_toy> chol, k
[08:11] <Rumbo_> i found that one out trying too :-)
[08:12] <sorush20> Ubuntu never asked me for a root user name and passowrd
[08:12] <Rumbo_> you have to doe everything with 'sudo'
[08:12] <Rumbo_> sorush: that's normal
[08:12] <Rumbo_> sorush: sudo will ask for a password, you can give the password of your primary user account
[08:12] <chol> misfit_toy, and ping an ip adress if you don't have dns configured
[08:13] <sorush20> Rumbo_: what is sudo
[08:13] <chol> misfit_toy, otoh you probably could just try dhcp again
[08:13] <Rumbo_> sorush: sudo is to execute a command as root
[08:13] <misfit_toy> chol, chol 'route add default gw xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' correct?
[08:13] <Rumbo_> so basically
[08:13] <Rockett17> sudo gives you administrative priveldges without the use of a root account
[08:13] <misfit_toy> yeah, let's try dhcp now!
[08:13] <Rumbo_> sudo commandYouWantToExecuteAsRoot
[08:13] <misfit_toy> duh
[08:13] <thoreauputic> !rootsudo
[08:13] <ubotu> from memory, rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:13] <chol> misfit_toy, if it doesn't give any error when you type it, it should be, right :)
[08:14] <ompaul> misfit_toy, so in your comment 'sudo dhclient' might be useful
[08:14] <misfit_toy> chol, but it did give an error, so I thought I mistyped it... error: SIOCADDRT:no such device
[08:15] <debugger> can someone point me to the bazar/svn/cvs/whatever of ubuntu?
[08:15] <chol> misfit_toy, k.. that's something else, not regarding the command.. but give your dhclient another try now that we know wlan is working
[08:15] <sorush20> and how do I access it... the only reason is that I am trying to install firefox 1.0.4, instead of 1.0.2 that is already installed with Ubuntu... and when I link the the directory /user/lib/mozilla-firefox/ I get the message that I am not allowed to install in this directory since I don't have administrative privileges.
[08:16] <lsuactiafner> sorush20 : goodluck..
[08:16] <lotusleaf> sorush20, backports has the new firefox
[08:16] <lsuactiafner> i run firefox in a chroot
[08:16] <thoreauputic> sorush20: you don't need 1.0.4 - the ubuntu one is up to date
[08:16] <ompaul> sorush20, what advantage will that give you over 1.0.2 ?
[08:16] <misfit_toy> chol, trying, I don't think this card has ever liked DHCP though...
[08:16] <lsuactiafner> too much effort to get it to work in hoary
[08:16] <Rumbo_> doesn't 1.0.4 have some security updates ?
[08:16] <misfit_toy> chol, it's still trying to DISCOVER, I don't think it ever will though.
[08:17] <sorush20> thoreauputic: will for instance if you have firefox 1.0.2 you can not install extensions...
[08:17] <bob2> Rumbo_: all of which are in the ubuntu 1.0.2 package
[08:17] <thoreauputic> sorush20: if you have issues with themes and extensions, go to about:config and edit the vendorSub string to be 1.0.4
[08:17] <misfit_toy> but I don't get why I can't set my default GW from the dropdown list in network settings, I have the gateway entered in the IP settings but there is another drop down list on the first "general" tab that only lists the NIC itself as a possible GW.
[08:17] <devUbu>  what does: unable to lookup ubuntu via gethostbyname() mean?
[08:18] <bob2> devUbu: from what program?
[08:18] <devUbu> i got this error when I logged in for the first time
[08:18] <ppax> hi, has anybody got mono 1.1.7 and winforms to work on ubuntu
[08:18] <lsuactiafner> 1.0.2 has a bug thats exploitable as far as i know..
[08:18] <bob2> devUbu: it means /etc/hosts is broken
[08:18] <devUbu> from terminal when executing sudo su
[08:18] <misfit_toy> yep, "no DHCPOFFERS received...and that's ok, like I said I think this card never worked with DHCP.
[08:18] <lsuactiafner> so yar..
[08:18] <devUbu> ok
[08:18] <bob2> ppax: try asking on the mailing list
[08:18] <lsuactiafner> 1.0.4 or doesnt run firefox
[08:18] <bob2> devUbu: show us the first line of it
[08:18] <sorush20> thoreauputic: the problem is that I don't want to have firefox released form Ubuntu I wanted to have it installed from source from Mozilla.
[08:18] <bob2> lsuactiafner: dude, 1.0.2 on ubuntu has all the fixes from 1.0.4
[08:18] <thoreauputic> lsuactiafner: no, the Ubuntu version has been fixed
[08:18] <devUbu> how do I fix that because I also cant get the updates stuff to work, think this is the reason
[08:18] <thoreauputic> sorush20: why?
[08:18] <lotusleaf> sorush20, so what's stopping you from installing firefox's latest version via Ubuntu backports?
[08:18] <devUbu> one sec
[08:19] <lsuactiafner> why not just install 1.0.4 as a package?
[08:19] <zAo^> how can I support spellchecking (Dutch) in Evolution? Thanks
[08:19] <sorush20> where is backports
[08:19] <chol> misfit_toy, do you have another nic in the machine currently connected to internet?
[08:19] <sorush20> I don't even know..
[08:19] <devUbu> root@ubuntu:/ # cat /etc/hosts
[08:19] <devUbu> 127.0.0.1       localhost
[08:19] <devUbu> ::1             localhost       ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
[08:19] <misfit_toy> chol, no
[08:19] <Jet2k5> is anybody here having trouble with internet?
[08:20] <thoreauputic> lsuactiafner: read what bob2  and I just said
[08:20] <misfit_toy> the only nic in that laptop is the wireless one I'm troubleshooting, not even a LAN nic.
[08:20] <bob2> devUbu: open it up in your text editor and chyange the first line to say "127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost ubuntu"
[08:20] <Jet2k5> I can't seem to browse any webpages on ubuntuu anymore
[08:20] <bob2> devUbu: also, what does "grep -c breezy /etc/apt/sources.list" say?
[08:20] <chol> misfit_toy, dhcp should work.. strange, route add default gw ip.to.gw should do the trick.. there's nothing more to it..
[08:20] <devUbu> ok, thanks bob
[08:21] <sorush20> devubu: what is that you just typed in was that for me....
[08:21] <chol> misfit_toy, no such device indicates that perhaps the wlan ip is not on the same subnet as the gw
[08:21] <misfit_toy> chol, when I do that I get SIOCADDRT: File exists
[08:21] <misfit_toy> chol... using 192.168.1 subnet for all my boxen here.
[08:21] <chol> misfit_toy, then the default gw is already there, netstat -rn
[08:22] <ompaul> I always thought that the idea of a distro was to provide me with an environment where the the management of the distro allowed me to develop skills I need while allowing me to have the benefit of up to date software and while I might contribute help to the odd bug here and there as my skill level allows me I do not break it buy installing non distro packages introducing a level opf complexity well over and above that which I wish to ma
[08:22] <ompaul> nage myself
[08:22] <misfit_toy> chol, yep it's there
[08:22] <Jet2k5> dhcp sucks with ipv6
[08:22] <ompaul> but that is just me :)
[08:22] <Jet2k5> my router hates it, can't even work properly
[08:22] <misfit_toy> chol, it's got to be some DNS issue, hrm....
[08:22] <chol> misfit_toy, look at dns and see if everything works then
[08:22] <misfit_toy> let me look again for the 15th time, lol.
[08:22] <sorush20> how do you guys run samba from ubuntu
[08:23] <chol> misfit_toy, hehe.. i know the feeling.. I believe that its better to learn how to troubleshoot than to get the answer served tho
[08:23] <bob2> sorush20: install it.  enjoy!
[08:23] <misfit_toy> chol, I agree, and I wouldn't have even asked here if I hadn't googled for two days and already ripped out my hair, but thanks for the info.
[08:23] <justin> ompaul: do you know the meaning of a "run-on sentence" ?
[08:24] <chol> misfit_toy, np, hope it was of some help
[08:25] <misfit_toy> chol, well, of course it was helpful, the thing is, this is BASIC networking, 'ping router works, internet doesn't, DNS, hmmmm, but DNS is *fine*'
[08:25] <misfit_toy> oh well, let's keep looking thanks again.
[08:25] <justin> ompaul: valid point though :-)
[08:25] <justin> misfit_toy: what kind of router?
[08:25] <chol> misfit_toy, seems strange.. but i've had problems with wlan drivers and different kernel version
[08:25] <Rockett17> sorush20> bob2 is right, you pretty much install the package and set-up your shares using the tool in hoary and you're good to go.. all you need to do is set an samba password using the smbpasswd command
[08:26] <misfit_toy> justin, linksys wrt54g
[08:26] <X-Ubuntu> bob2
[08:26] <bob2> or use anonymous read-only shares
[08:26] <chol> misfit_toy, some kernels work, others don't and a 3:d work intermittantly
[08:26] <Rockett17> or that
[08:26] <ba5t4rd> well, been running ubuntu for about a week now and everything is working fine. just one niggling issue. sound quality is crap on my onboard audio, it's a realtek ALC850 anyone have ideas?
[08:26] <X-Ubuntu> grep -c breezy... said 0
[08:26] <bob2> ba5t4rd: is it mentioned on www.alsa-project.org?
[08:26] <Rockett17> just for my set-up I use the box as a storage place for my win desktops with mapped network drives
[08:26] <bob2> X-Ubuntu: ok, thanks
[08:27] <ba5t4rd> bob2: haven't checked, but will now
[08:27] <X-Ubuntu> why did I do that?
[08:27] <justin> misfit_toy: is the default gateway really set right?
[08:27] <ompaul> justin, I should, and I guess some minor, nay regular punctation might have helped. :)
[08:27] <bob2> X-Ubuntu: I was curious as to whether the problem was because you were using breezy or not
[08:27] <X-Ubuntu> oh
[08:28] <bob2> sorush20: please talkin the channel
[08:28] <ajchavez> alquien sabes coo instalar los driver de nvidia en ubuntu
[08:28] <thechitowncubs> My friend is trying to import his photos but when he plugs his Digital Rebel XT it doesn't show up asking him to import it
[08:28] <ajchavez> ?
[08:28] <bob2> sorush20: also, why are you installing it from source? samba's already in ubuntu
[08:28] <bob2> thechitowncubs: does gphoto see it if you run it manually?
[08:28] <Rockett17> geez dont waste hours configuring samba from source.. just apt-get it
[08:28] <misfit_toy> justin, it is in the networking util, and looking at it from CLI it is, the only thing that disturbs me is if you open the networking util there is a tab, the first tab, called 'connections' and a dropdown box at the bottom that says 'default gateway device' and instead of my router the only choice is wlan0, but over in the DNS tab I have the correct GW set up.
[08:29] <misfit_toy> justin, how can I clear out that first tab that says wlan0? I'm sure that's the issue.
[08:29] <misfit_toy> damn strange.
[08:29] <justin> misfit_toy: ifconfig wlan0 down ?
[08:29] <chol> misfit_toy, it should be wlan0, the device that can connect to the gw ip
[08:29] <thechitowncubs> is shows up in lsusb, but how can i run gphoto manually
[08:29] <osiris> has anyone had any troubles getting certain non-free packages with the sources they give you on ubuntuguide? im trying to install w32codecs and flashplayer-mozilla but apt cant find the packages but ive added the ones that ubuntuguide tells you to add? any help would be really appreciated also does it make a differance that im running ubuntu-amd64? is that why i cant get them?
[08:29] <debugger> does ubuntu have a central repository, where I can see the change logs of packages and stuff?
[08:29] <bob2> thechitowncubs: "gphoto" from a terminal...
[08:29] <justin> misfit_toy: er wait, are you trying to connect over wireless or ethernet?
[08:29] <misfit_toy> chol, oh I see what's it's saying then, that's kinda confusing
[08:29] <thechitowncubs> command not found
[08:29] <misfit_toy> justin, wireless
[08:30] <bob2> osiris: they're i386 binaries...
[08:30] <justin> misfit_toy: oh, then wlan0 is right
[08:30] <misfit_toy> I get it now, it's asking what device is the 'source' then.
[08:30] <bob2> osiris: they're not going to run on an amd64 system running the amd64 port of ubuntu
[08:30] <ren0> I have windows on hda1, SUSE on hda5 and Ubuntu on hda6 but grub-update seems to only pick up Windows and Ubuntu. How can I add SUSE to my grub list?
[08:30] <misfit_toy> ok so yeah, DNS is all set up correctly.
[08:30] <osiris> Damn.
[08:30] <bob2> osiris: if you care about proprietary stuff like that, it's probably easier to just install the i386 port of ubuntu
[08:30] <justin> misfit_toy: can you get to http://192.168.1.1 ?
[08:30] <thechitowncubs> bob2: command not found :/
[08:30] <thechitowncubs> on my working computer and on his
[08:30] <misfit_toy> justin, yep, that's my router, just can't get past it.
[08:30] <Gh0sty> anyone running dualscreen with nvidia twinview here??? (not xinerama)
[08:31] <bob2> thechitowncubs: gphoto2 then
[08:31] <misfit_toy> justin, let me look at my MAC filters again, for the 19th time, heheh
[08:31] <osiris> bob2, but would i notice a decrease in speed?
[08:31] <misfit_toy> brb, I need a beer, or maybe 6.
[08:31] <bob2> osiris: apparently a small one
[08:31] <thechitowncubs> command not found :/
[08:31] <bob2> thechitowncubs: well, install it then
[08:31] <nickrud> debugger a good way to see changelogs is to run aptitude, highlight a package, and press shift-c
[08:31] <osiris> bob2, i dunno what to do then.
[08:31] <bob2> osiris: 04:30:33           bob2 | osiris: if you care about proprietary stuff like that, it's probably easier to just install the i386 port of ubuntu
[08:31] <bob2> osiris: that's what it comes down to
[08:31] <bob2> thechitowncubs: it's in the gphoto2 package
[08:32] <osiris> Yeah i dont know weather to go back to i386 or just stick with this.
[08:32] <debugger> nickrud, you don't known the CVS for that?  using CVS (or other SCM) tool is much more convenient for me.
[08:32] <thechitowncubs> bob2: is that installed on a default install?
[08:33] <thechitowncubs> because it wasn't for me
[08:33] <bob2> thechitowncubs: I'd have thought so
[08:33] <thechitowncubs> me too
[08:33] <debugger> nickrud, something like this: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/
[08:33] <bob2> but who knows, my camera does usb-storage, so I rsync my photos in ;)
[08:33] <X-Ubuntu> updated!
[08:33] <X-Ubuntu> thanks bob2
[08:33] <bob2> X-Ubuntu: working?
[08:33] <X-Ubuntu> yup
[08:33] <Gh0sty> anyone running dualscreen with nvidia twinview here??? (not xinerama)
[08:34] <bob2> Gh0sty: have you asked on the list yet?
[08:34] <Gh0sty> not yet
[08:34] <nickrud> debugger no clue on that, but since I use aptitude for package management the shift-c routine is very transparent to me
[08:34] <hondje> Gh0sty: maybe try #nvidia
[08:34] <Gh0sty> lol :)
[08:34] <Gh0sty> its ubuntu problem i think, not nvidia
[08:34] <Gh0sty> it works only as root, not as normal user
[08:35] <Gh0sty> don't really get it, run it like ages on debian
[08:35] <X-Ubuntu> there is no yum for ubuntu?
[08:35] <bob2> is your normal user in the video group?
[08:35] <we2by> what app can I use to rip audio from a cd?
[08:35] <bob2> X-Ubuntu: er, apt is what yum tries to imitate
[08:35] <osiris> X-Ubuntu, its apt-get
[08:35] <bob2> we2by: abcde
[08:35] <thoreauputic> X-Ubuntu: what for, when you have apt?
[08:35] <bob2> we2by: perhaps you'd prefer sound-juicer, tho
[08:35] <debugger> nickrud, ok thx.
[08:35] <X-Ubuntu> ok, so I could say apt install mplayer-gui
[08:36] <osiris> X-Ubuntu, Yep
[08:36] <Gh0sty> bob2: i don't even see a video group
[08:36] <osiris> X-Ubuntu, but its prob mplayer-i586
[08:36] <thoreauputic> X-Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install <package>
[08:36] <bob2> Gh0sty: there is by default
[08:36] <Gh0sty> wtf?
[08:37] <Gh0sty> it shows in console and not in group management on gnome
[08:37] <Gh0sty> hmmmmm
[08:37] <bob2> ignore the gnome group thing
[08:37] <Gh0sty> crap :p
[08:37] <Gh0sty> thx bob2
[08:37] <Gh0sty> think that'll be it :)
[08:37] <bob2> the lesson here is that you should ask your real questoin
[08:37] <yourghetek> need a hint here... its sudo (duh...) dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[08:38] <bob2> which was something like "I'm trying to get twinview working, but it only works for root"
[08:38] <misfit_toy> as much as I hate to do this, I'm going to reboot, I think between making all these changes and swapping out wireless nics that this box is confused.
[08:38] <bob2> instead of "who knows about twinview???"
[08:38] <misfit_toy> there it goes...man ubuntu is fast.
[08:38] <thoreauputic> yourghetek: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:38] <bob2> yourghetek: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:38] <yourghetek> thanks
[08:38] <misfit_toy> I'm on a fedora box here.
[08:38] <X-Ubuntu> apt-get only finds stuff on ubuntu server?
[08:38] <Gh0sty> bob2: no i asked for someone who had it running :)
[08:38] <yourghetek> thoreauputic beats bob2 by a few milliseconds!
[08:38] <bob2> Gh0sty: right, but if you'd asked what I just suggested, I would have pointed you at the video group two hours ago
[08:38] <bob2> I'm too slow!
[08:38] <yourghetek> thanks guys
[08:38] <bob2> plus it's nearly 5am
[08:39] <bob2> so goodnight!
[08:39] <Gh0sty> btw its not that, my user is part of the group video it seems :)
[08:39] <thoreauputic> yourghetek: a rare occurrence ;)
[08:39] <X-Ubuntu> goodnight
[08:39] <yourghetek> hahaha
[08:39] <Gh0sty> i'm thinking of a rights problem with nvidia drivers or something
[08:39] <bob2> Gh0sty: look at the permissions of relevant things in /dev/
[08:39] <Gh0sty> its odd, when i start x as root (did it by accident actually) it works fine
[08:39] <Gh0sty> but not t he user
[08:39] <we2by> it's very slow!
[08:40] <voth> misfit_toy, i take it your nick is from the old claymation cartoon Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer
[08:40] <X-Ubuntu> how do i config apt-get so I can get install packages from other places
[08:40] <X-Ubuntu> or just install yum
[08:41] <hondje> hehe, yum in a debian distro, that's good
[08:41] <sorush20> guys how do I run samba on my ubuntu
[08:41] <anto9us> we2by: it's encoding as well as ripping isn't it?
[08:41] <X-Ubuntu> yum in debian is bad?
[08:41] <misfit_toy> voth, yeah, I was watching it with my daughter one night and it seemed appropriate, heh
[08:41] <we2by> anto9us, I asume it is
[08:41] <thoreauputic> X-Ubuntu: umm... why woul you shoot yourself in the foot like that?
[08:41] <we2by> I'm converting it from cd format to mp3
[08:41] <hondje> yum in debian makes no sense
[08:41] <bob2> X-Ubuntu: yum won't work on Debian or Ubuntu at all
[08:41] <anto9us> we2by: not so slow if you consider the encoding, maybe?
[08:41] <X-Ubuntu> ok
[08:42] <bob2> X-Ubuntu: apt-get is what yum tries to imitate
[08:42] <we2by> anto9us, I have seen it alot faster on this box, but with another distro
[08:42] <thoreauputic> X-Ubuntu: apt > yum
[08:42] <WhiteRabbit> apt-get * cough * cvsup etc
[08:42] <X-Ubuntu> right, but is there a way to edit a config so that it looks for packages outside of ubuntu
[08:42] <bob2> X-Ubuntu: sure
[08:42] <bob2> X-Ubuntu: but why?
[08:42] <X-Ubuntu> like right now I am trying to find mplayer
[08:42] <thoreauputic> X-Ubuntu: 16 000 packages not enough for you?
[08:43] <we2by> it is doing it at 1.5x
[08:43] <bob2> X-Ubuntu: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:43] <bob2> X-Ubuntu: mplayer is in ubuntu
[08:43] <thoreauputic> X-Ubuntu: mplayer is in multiverse
[08:43] <anto9us> we2by: encoding is very processor intensive, maybe the bitrate you're encoding is higher, did you specify a target bitrate?
[08:43] <we2by> anto9us, nope
[08:43] <we2by> I'm using Sound juice
[08:43] <X-Ubuntu> ooooohhhh
[08:43] <we2by> I don't see any where to specify the bitrate
[08:44] <sorush20> anyone using KDE3 on Ubuntu
[08:44] <sorush20> ...
[08:44] <bob2> sorush20: lots of people do in #kubuntu
[08:44] <we2by> sorsis, that's kubuntu
[08:44] <thoreauputic> we2by: you might prefer grip
[08:44] <anubisds> wtf is the difference between kbuntu and ubuntu?
[08:44] <sorush20> okay...
[08:44] <anubisds> can you not run kde on ubuntu?
[08:44] <yourghetek> im on kde3
[08:44] <thoreauputic> anubisds: sure
[08:45] <anubisds> kbun just comes w/ it as default?
[08:45] <yourghetek> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:45] <thoreauputic> anubisds: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:45] <bob2> anubisds: kubuntu = ubuntu with kde installed
[08:45] <bob2> anubisds: yes
[08:45] <thoreauputic> yourghetek: beat me ;)
[08:45] <yourghetek> score!
[08:45] <anubisds> gotcha gotcha, thanks for the info
[08:45] <anubisds> I suppose I will give KDE an install
[08:45] <sorush20> No one has really told me how to run samba,,, so that I can share files on My windows machine and on my Ubuntu machine..... can anyone point me in the right direction please... thank you....
[08:45] <yourghetek> oh and then you are gonna want to add kde3.4.1 into your repositories
[08:46] <thoreauputic> sorush20: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=site%3A+ubuntulinux.org+%22samba%22&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
[08:46] <anubisds> i've been using ubuntu for that long, trying to replace my windows PVR machine w/ linux
[08:46] <yourghetek> mmm
[08:47] <IcemanV9> sorush20: check this out, too > http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[08:47] <misfit_toy> *beer even
[08:47] <Rockett17> ARGHH!! one of the SQL servers here at work is on the blink and has been beeping for like 4 hours, and it's just down the hall.. it's making me mental
[08:47] <anubisds> ubuntu is pretty phatty
[08:47] <misfit_toy> now I can't ping the router again.
[08:47] <yourghetek> bill gates was a sexy guy in my mind until i replaced him with a cute little penguin
[08:47] <lsuactiafner> lol
[08:47] <synd> !seen nalioth
[08:47] <ubotu> nalioth <~Apple@cpe-66-25-43-80.houston.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #ubuntu, 14h 24m 17s ago, saying: 'y'all be good'.
[08:47] <synd> bastard
[08:47] <misfit_toy> I think I'll just give this wireless nic to charity and put the sony wireless back in, it works fine, but I wanted G speed not B.
[08:48] <synd> misfit_toy, you can mail it to me : )
[08:48] <IcemanV9> < charity case
[08:48] <svmaris> hi
[08:48] <misfit_toy> synd, IM me your address
[08:48] <anubisds> copper > wireless
[08:48] <fr500> hey
[08:49] <fr500> i damaged my mbr with longhorn, now my grub gives error, i know how to recover in rh, but can i use the ubuntu install cd to recover grub?
[08:50] <synd> longhorn!
[08:50] <synd> bah!
[08:50] <fr500> lol
[08:50] <fr500> i was curious
[08:50] <anubisds> fr: probably boot single and run grub-install
[08:50] <fr500> boot single
[08:50] <fr500> brb
[08:50] <X-Ubuntu> totem doesn't play .avi
[08:51] <anubisds> X-Ubuntu, use vlc, vlc is sweet
[08:51] <gangalee> what's the cups admin user for Hoary?
[08:51] <X-Ubuntu> vlc?
[08:51] <Rockett17> or use totem-xine and install the w32codecs pack
[08:51] <X-Ubuntu> sudo apt-get install vlc
[08:52] <anubisds> werd
[08:52] <fr500> anubisds, i should type boot single?
[08:52] <Rockett17> vlc is sweet though
[08:52] <anubisds> fr500, I think just "single"
[08:52] <fr500> nope
[08:52] <cusco_> hi... how do I print in the network
[08:52] <cusco_> I mean
[08:52] <simder> where can i get the w32codecs
[08:52] <anubisds> X-Ubuntu, you'll need to install the alsa plugin if you use alsa also
[08:52] <cusco_> I have a windows machine with aprinter... and I have a linux machine with a printer
[08:52] <Jet2k5> hello
[08:52] <synd> cusco_, did you enable detect LAN printers in the printing prefs?
[08:53] <X-Ubuntu> no go on vlc
[08:53] <cusco_> no.. where are those prefs synd ?
[08:53] <ompaul> gangalee, does this help you any? system -> administation -> printing
[08:53] <gangalee> even detect LAN printers is flaky
[08:53] <Jet2k5> can someone help me?  I'm having some serious problem with my internet
[08:53] <anubisds> X-Ubuntu, are you using multiverse?
[08:53] <kvidell> Jet2k5: What kinds of problems?
[08:53] <X-Ubuntu> yeah totem
[08:53] <Rockett17> w32codecs is also on multiverse i think
[08:53] <cusco_> synd: then what?
[08:53] <X-Ubuntu> i dont know, i just installed
[08:53] <Jet2k5> kvidell: well for one my internet is no longer working under ubuntu
[08:53] <yourghetek> thoreauputic would be happy to help you... hehe
[08:53] <X-Ubuntu> and updated
[08:53] <gangalee> ompaul: done that already, but I goto http://localhost:631 or http://localhost:631/admin....?
[08:53] <cusco_> synd: I got you
[08:54] <X-Ubuntu> just trying to place some movies
[08:54] <kvidell> wired or wireless?
[08:54] <Jet2k5> kvidell: it keeps on saying that there is an error in name resolution
[08:54] <X-Ubuntu> play
[08:54] <synd> cusco_, you got me?
[08:54] <kvidell> ah.. what does your /etc/resolv.conf look like?
[08:54] <yourghetek> Jet2k5 go to konsole and ping yahoo.com
[08:54] <simder> where can i get the w32codecs
[08:54] <Jet2k5> I'm on windows right now
[08:54] <Jet2k5> but yes I'm able to ping things
[08:54] <simder> i do not find it about synaptic
[08:54] <Jet2k5> not domain names
[08:54] <HappyFool> simder: have you looked at wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats ?
[08:54] <ompaul> gangalee, why do you need to? (you would need to enable root to do cups)
[08:54] <Jet2k5> only physical addresses
[08:55] <Jet2k5> like 192.168.1.1
[08:55] <Jet2k5> and 194.90.1.5
[08:55] <cusco_> thaks synd
[08:55] <simder> no, mom
[08:55] <kvidell> You'll want to make sure your resolv.conf is clean then. If there's a "search" line at the top of it I'd recomend removing that and seeing if that fixes it. If you need some good hard DNS servers to try, I use 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2
[08:55] <gangalee> ompaul: because my printers are dropping off, switching up, & acting weird. I wanted to be able to see more config options
[08:55] <kvidell> They'll need to be on a line that starts with "nameserver "
[08:55] <gfxstyler> hey
[08:55] <HappyFool> Jet2k5: you can read your ubuntu partition (if it's ext3) using a tool called explore2fs -- so you can check out what /etc/resolv.conf is without rebooting
[08:55] <kvidell> save and try pinging again.
[08:55] <yourghetek> i do the server install and kubuntu-desktop b/c i want a slim installation and now i see it downloading and installing openoffice?! rubbish!
[08:55] <gangalee> ompaul: but I don't have the cups admin user
[08:55] <HappyFool> Jet2k5: i mean, you can read it from windows
[08:56] <thoreauputic> !restricted
[08:56] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:56] <thoreauputic> simder: just read that thoroughly
[08:56] <yourghetek> !kubuntu
[08:56] <ubotu> yourghetek: I don't know, could you explain it?
[08:56] <yourghetek> just checking
[08:56] <simder> yes, thank you... the link is great!
[08:56] <ompaul> gangalee, so what you do 'sudo -s' then 'passwd'
[08:56] <synd> cusco_ did it work?
[08:56] <Rockett17> simder> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ shows u how to add the w32codecs
[08:56] <gfxstyler> can someone tell me if it would speed up my performance if i compile my own packages for i686 and pentium4? or should i use the ones from the ubuntu repositories?
[08:57] <thoreauputic> gfxstyler: the latter
[08:57] <Jet2k5> hold on guys brbr
[08:57] <gangalee> no, I'm going through the web interface, see http://localhost:631, try Administrative Tasks, a pop-up appears asking for username & passwd
[08:57] <gfxstyler> ahhh a bird bashed into my window O.O
[08:58] <HappyFool> gangalee: when i browse localhost:631 i get a message at the top of the page like this: "Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu System > Administration > Printing."
[08:58] <synd> gfxstyler: ouch
[08:58] <dooglus> thoreauputic: it would speed up performance if he compiled his own packages, surely?
[08:58] <simder> Rockett17> I'm very impressed of the ubuntu dist. an this comunity
[08:58] <cusco_> synd: yes thnaks
[08:58] <synd> cusco_ nice
[08:59] <synd> no prob
[08:59] <ompaul> gangalee, root and password
[08:59] <HappyFool> dooglus: probably only if you're doing serious number crunching
[08:59] <ba5t4rd> gfx: clean window
[08:59] <neville> can anyone tell me what to do to start hotkeys (e.g.) automatically when booting the PC?
[08:59] <gfxstyler> dooglus: its just that a few apps run faster on gentoo than on ubuntu, thats why i asked, but i would rather like to use ubuntu
[08:59] <thoreauputic> dooglus: well, i encourage the use of Ubuntu packages, because I don't want to hold people's hands whem they break their package management
[08:59] <thoreauputic> :)
[08:59] <gangalee> ompaul: try the Admin link, root & passwd don't work
[08:59] <gfxstyler> ba5t4rd: no he survived but looks a little confused :)
[09:00] <ompaul> gangalee, ahhh
[09:00] <ba5t4rd> heh
[09:00] <fr500> i damaged my mbr with longhorn, now my grub gives error, i know how to recover in rh, but can i use the ubuntu install cd to recover grub?
[09:00] <ompaul> gangalee, are they network printers or do they hang off other nodes?
[09:00] <bassplayer> when i run ubuntu my windows clock gets wrong ? what can i do to fix it ?
[09:00] <gangalee> network printers
[09:01] <ompaul> gangalee, can you telnet to them?
[09:01] <rg58sma> hi
[09:01] <thoreauputic> dooglus: but i guess that's presumptuous of me, so yaeh
[09:01] <rg58sma> i wanna see my svcd
[09:01] <gfxstyler> hi rg58sma
[09:01] <gfxstyler> rg58sma: why dont you do then? :)
[09:01] <rg58sma> hi
[09:01] <rg58sma> master
[09:02] <rg58sma> i dont know
[09:02] <anubisds> damn this PVR
[09:02] <anubisds> damn it to hell
[09:02] <anubisds> brb
[09:02] <rg58sma> i have installed mplayer-custom
[09:02] <rg58sma> mplayer-fonts
[09:02] <thoreauputic> bassplayer: rerun sudo base-config, and change the time to whatever it isn't currently (ie UTC/ non-UTC)
[09:02] <bassplayer> when i run ubuntu my windows clock gets wrong ? what can i do to fix it ?
[09:03] <rg58sma> mozilla-mplayer and xmms-mplayer
[09:03] <thoreauputic> bassMonkey: see my answer above
[09:03] <sorush20> guys how do I run XIne or what Im trying to do is run a DVD on Ubuntu
[09:03] <rg58sma> i have an atlhon
[09:03] <thoreauputic> bassplayer: sorry that was for you
[09:03] <gangalee> ompaul: I can telnet & http browse it
[09:03] <bassplayer> thoreaputic - and where is the base config file ??
[09:03] <gfxstyler> sorush20: i had to install totem-xine and libdvdcss and libdvdplay to watch pirates of the carribean with gxine
[09:03] <jeffrey> ok for some reason apt-get cant find java
[09:04] <IcemanV9> ompaul: that's true, but not many ppl know what to do once telnet to the printer :)
[09:04] <thoreauputic> bassMonkey: no, run the command : ` sudo base-config`
[09:04] <gfxstyler> jeffrey: you can download j2re on the sun.com site i guess
[09:04] <gangalee> what's that gnome-panel restart command? restart or killall?
[09:04] <thoreauputic> damn i mean bassplayer
[09:04] <jeffrey> hm yes but its much easier to be able to get it with ap-get
[09:04] <pepsi> how can i make my clock sync with time servers?
[09:04] <Seveas> jeffrey: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[09:04] <jeffrey> i told it to look in the universe or whatever
[09:04] <rg58sma> please need help
[09:04] <X-Ubuntu> ubuntu is phat!
[09:05] <zephyrnovo> yes it is..
[09:05] <pepsi> checking "Periodically synchronize clock with Internet servers" in the Time and Date settings doesnt help
[09:05] <X-Ubuntu> and to think i was trying to install yellowdog
[09:05] <zephyrnovo> i just can't get php to install.
[09:05] <gfxstyler> rg58sma: you didnt tell whats the problem
[09:05] <X-Ubuntu> pffff
[09:05] <rg58sma> yes
[09:05] <rg58sma> i cant see
[09:05] <rg58sma> my svcd movies
[09:05] <zephyrnovo> X-Ubuntu: isn't there some apt-get for it? (PHP) -- if not -- why not.
[09:05] <synd> X-Ubuntu: you a PPC user?
[09:05] <justin> rg58sma: stop pressing enter after every 2 words
[09:05] <X-Ubuntu> yup
[09:06] <rg58sma> ok
[09:06] <rg58sma> im sorry
[09:06] <X-Ubuntu> ubuntu totally rules
[09:06] <X-Ubuntu> except i cant play any movies atm
[09:06] <zephyrnovo> humm...
[09:06] <zephyrnovo> anyone here use php?
[09:06] <X-Ubuntu> i need to edit my repositories
[09:06] <X-Ubuntu> i use php
[09:06] <Rumbo_> guys, anyone know a good URL / book i can read to get more aquainted with Ubuntu programs / package management etc. I'm used to using a debian console for programming/debugging but have no experience in configuration of linux systems
[09:06] <DagaZ> zephyrnovo, I use php
[09:06] <hondje> X-Ubuntu: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:06] <gfxstyler> X-Ubuntu: do you use totem to play them?
[09:06] <zephyrnovo> X-Ubuntu: on you r local systtem?
[09:07] <X-Ubuntu> yes
[09:07] <synd> !restricted
[09:07] <ubotu> hmm... restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:07] <rg58sma> and my mplayer close automatic
[09:07] <gfxstyler> X-Ubuntu: have you tried to use totem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer?
[09:07] <Rockett17> totem-xine rocks
[09:07] <synd> X-Ubuntu have you tried vlc? :p
[09:07] <thoreauputic> Rumbo_: if you are familiar with Debian, ubuntu is almost the same
[09:07] <HappyFool> Rumbo_: there's something called the apt-howto, though if you're from debian i guess you know it
[09:07] <gfxstyler> yes wxvlc is the best of all
[09:07] <Rockett17> esp with w32codecs.. you can throw anything at it
[09:07] <zephyrnovo> X-Ubuntu: obvious question -- how do i get php to install?
[09:07] <yourghetek> i love knome
[09:07] <sorush20> gfxstyler: I've downloaded totem-xine, and its a debian package ... how do I install it...
[09:07] <synd> knome?
[09:07] <synd> lol
[09:07] <X-Ubuntu> i cant get apt-get to find w32codecs or vlc
[09:07] <simder> how can I make a backup of all my files (like a image) on a dvd?
[09:08] <Rockett17> u need multiverse
[09:08] <synd> is that like.. GDE?
[09:08] <gfxstyler> sorush20: totem-xine is in the ubuntu repositories
[09:08] <synd> :d
[09:08] <X-Ubuntu> zephyrnovo: what system?
[09:08] <gfxstyler> sorush20: you install a package with dpkg -i packagename.deb
[09:08] <Rumbo_> well no, i don't know a whole lot of debian too, only gcc,g++,gdb valgrind (and some simple apt-get commands and editors)
[09:08] <X-Ubuntu> i tired totem-xine as well
[09:08] <zephyrnovo> ? what do you mean what system? -- UBuntu  5.04
[09:08] <fr500> arghhh, can't believe i messed up my ubuntu
[09:08] <thoreauputic> sorush20: no - use apt or synaptic to install packages (totem-xine is there)
[09:08] <X-Ubuntu> and it said it pointed to another system
[09:08] <fr500> it was so nicely setup
[09:08] <synd> Rumbo_: ubuntu is a great distro to start with
[09:08] <X-Ubuntu> ive only installed php on os x
[09:08] <zephyrnovo> ahhhh.
[09:09] <sao> hi all
[09:09] <sao> needing some help
[09:09] <X-Ubuntu> but it aint hard
[09:09] <synd> Rumbo_: I knew neothing of the command line 3 months ago
[09:09] <HappyFool> Rumbo_: well, i'm not sure it's what you want, but you can try installing apt-howto-en and reading it
[09:09] <Rumbo_> yeah ubuntu is great so far...had mandriva running on my laptop and it kept 'freezing'
[09:09] <sao> just built 2.6.11.11 kernel
[09:09] <zephyrnovo> does anyone know how to combat this error....
[09:09] <zephyrnovo> "apt-get install libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2"
[09:09] <HappyFool> Rumbo_: if you want to actually *make* packages, you might have to look elsewhere
[09:09] <sao> when booting got a black screen
[09:09] <zephyrnovo> derrr..
[09:09] <zephyrnovo> i hate this cut and paste
[09:09] <sao> any help plz
[09:09] <rg58sma> this is for me
[09:09] <rg58sma> ??
[09:09] <zephyrnovo> ./configure: line 5362: /usr/sbin/apxs: No such file or directory
[09:09] <X-Ubuntu> the only thing i need now besides videos is being able to either mount my os x partition or use it
[09:10] <Rumbo_> thanx will check out the apt-howto-en
[09:10] <neville> How can i automatically start processes when i turn on the computer in xfce?
[09:10] <zephyrnovo> the apache that i get on the auto install (apt-get install apache2) doesn't seem (according to the PHP installer) to have everything it needs.
[09:10] <X-Ubuntu> so maybe load the installer again and reformat my ext2 partition to include the space of the os x partition and just dump os x alltogether
[09:10] <HappyFool> zephyrnovo: i think that might be an apache tool. you might need an apache -dev package
[09:10] <gfxstyler> X-Ubuntu: mount /dev/blablabla /mnt/blablabla? i dont know anything about mac os x though
[09:10] <justin> X-Ubuntu: you can access the os X partition, dunno how stable hfs+ write support is though
[09:10] <zephyrnovo> apxs is...
[09:10] <Rockett17> zephyrnovo> I found it easier to compile Ap[ache 1.3 from source
[09:10] <sorush20> guys.. I have no Idea how to use apt but I've looked in synaptic and there isn't a totem-xine package...
[09:11] <zephyrnovo> ah dev thnx
[09:11] <Rockett17> personal preference though
[09:11] <thoreauputic> X-Ubuntu: this might interest you: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MacOnLinuxHowto
[09:11] <gfxstyler> sorush20: have you selected"universe multiverse" in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[09:11] <amittp> does anyone know software inlieu of edit plus in linux - should be able to edit files over sftp
[09:11] <HappyFool> zephyrnovo: hm. i don't see apache2-dev (?) not sure if apache-dev is what you want
[09:12] <X-Ubuntu> yeah i tried mol on my g4
[09:12] <X-Ubuntu> with yellowdog
[09:12] <justin> amittp: vim?
[09:12] <X-Ubuntu> but i think cuz i had tiger it didnt work right
[09:12] <zephyrnovo> but it has apache2-prefork-dev
[09:12] <zephyrnovo> do i want prefork or thread?
[09:12] <sorush20> Sorry.. I have not Idea what you guys are talking about... universe or multiverse... what is that...
[09:12] <dooglus> when I boot ubuntu, I see a message "syncing time with ubuntu.com" or something like that
[09:12] <zephyrnovo> i'm thinking threaded right?
[09:12] <gfxstyler> is there a way to view cam with gnomemeeting -> netmeeting?
[09:12] <HappyFool> zephyrnovo: err. dunno. sorry ;)
[09:12] <dooglus> I had assumed that meant it was running ntp, but I don't see any ntp process running now - should I?
[09:13] <dooglus> do you see any 'ntp' process?
[09:13] <gfxstyler> sorush20: type this into the console: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:13] <HappyFool> dooglus: i think it just runs 'ntpdate', not ntpd
[09:13] <dooglus> HappyFool: you're right - but I don't see anything running with 'ntp' in its name
[09:13] <HappyFool> dooglus: i.e., a one off thing, not a long-lived daemon process
[09:13] <gfxstyler> sorush: then attach "universe multiverse" to every line that starts with "deb" and "deb-src"
[09:13] <b2s> dooglus: its a one time sync at boot
[09:13] <ba5t4rd> okay still having issues with my audio. did a search of the forums and most ALC850 issues seem to be unanswered. my lspci shows this   "0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00ea (rev a1)"    i'm having popping and static in the sound. anyc lues?
[09:13] <thoreauputic> dooglus: there is ntpdate (which is the thing you saw) and an ntpdate daemon (which isn't installed by default)
[09:13] <dooglus> HappyFool: really?  what if my clock runs fast?  I need to keep rebooting?
[09:14] <dooglus> thoreauputic: aah, i see.
[09:14] <HappyFool> dooglus: setup a cron job, or install ntpd
[09:14] <Rumbo_> sorush: universe adds a lot of packages that you can install from your source repositories
[09:14] <zephyrnovo> SUNUV-A-DEPENDENCYLIST! just tried to apt-get the apache2-threaded-dev and holy crap -- this thing has 8+ dependencies that are not installable!
[09:14] <kvidell> sudo ntpdate time.nist.gov
[09:14] <kvidell> :-P
[09:14] <amittp> justin, oh, i hd no idea vim accepts sftp/scp as argument - this is awesome :)
[09:14] <HappyFool> dooglus: the ntpd man page is rather snooty about the cron option
[09:14] <justin> amittp: does rsync:// too.. try :help sftp:// and scroll down
[09:15] <amittp> thanks dude ! :0
[09:15] <amittp> :)
[09:15] <Rumbo_> what command-line editor do you guys use normally? I'm used to using pico...And sometimes vi.
[09:15] <Seveas> vim
[09:15] <gfxstyler> Rumbo_:vim
[09:16] <Seveas> Rumbo_, but please do not start the zillionth editor war :)
[09:16] <Rumbo_> isn't vi a bit rough because you have to know all those commands?
[09:16] <Rumbo_> seveas sorry :-)
[09:16] <justin> Rumbo_: vi is rough. vim is not. there are not that many commands
[09:16] <Seveas> Rumbo_, it has a steep learning curve, but once you know the basics, it rocks :)
[09:16] <HappyFool> Rumbo_: play nethack. you'll learn the vi movement commands quickly.
[09:16] <thoreauputic> Rumbo_: run away! Editor wars will start any momnet ! *grin*
[09:17] <Seveas> Rumbo_, vimtutor can help you through the rough times
[09:17] <Rumbo_> heheheeh
[09:17] <Rumbo_> ah cool
[09:17] <Rumbo_> -> checks out vimtutor and nethack
[09:17] <Rockett17> yeah vi was bitch to get used to when I first configured linux from a terminal
[09:18] <Rockett17> but after a while u cant stop using it
[09:18] <rg58sma> please i need helpwith svcd movie
[09:18] <Rumbo_> yeah well
[09:18] <Rumbo_> first time i used vi
[09:18] <Rumbo_> i really didn't know the :i command
[09:18] <Rumbo_> which basically is a pain if you want to edit a file :-)
[09:19] <rg58sma> please need help or be die
[09:19] <X-Ubuntu> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats helps a lot, thanks
[09:19] <lsuactiafner> Rockett17 : joe is nicer
[09:19] <thoreauputic> Rumbo_: for a truly frustrating experience, try using " ed" ;)
[09:19] <Rockett17> never used joe
[09:19] <Rockett17> too used to vi now
[09:20] <lsuactiafner> joe is teh ....
[09:20] <lsuactiafner> joe has colour support for programing
[09:20] <justin> lsuactiafner: so does vim.
[09:20] <Rumbo_> doesn't vi have colour support to?
[09:20] <Rumbo_> or vim (i haven't used that yet)
[09:20] <thoreauputic> rg58sma: your questions are always so vague - and you are surprised that no one can help?
[09:20] <lsuactiafner> vim has a funny name..
[09:20] <Rockett17> midnight-commander used to have a nice text editor for redhat too
[09:20] <lsuactiafner> therefore it cant be good
[09:20] <lsuactiafner> mc isnice for copying
[09:20] <HappyFool> rg58sma: please read http://wiku.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats carefully for instructions
[09:21] <gfxstyler> sorry have to go, see you later
[09:21] <lsuactiafner> HappyFool : we should write a util to find the most common used expressions in this channel and contruct a howto from it
[09:22] <HappyFool> i guess that's what ubuto's for. and the wiki.
[09:22] <lsuactiafner> man lets make it overcomplicated
[09:22] <thoreauputic> lsuactiafner: ubotu has a factoid for that URL - it's !restricted
[09:22] <lsuactiafner> and unsimple..
[09:22] <Rumbo_> i looked at that wiki page but man there's a lot of info over there
[09:22] <HappyFool> setting up video is frustrating, especially for the inexperienced
[09:22] <HappyFool> err, video playback
[09:22] <Jet2k5> kvidell: anyhow sorry but can you message me what you said
[09:23] <Jet2k5> I had to run out and do something and I lost it
[09:23] <lsuactiafner> yeh
[09:23] <lsuactiafner> we should just write a script to edit sources ect
[09:23] <lsuactiafner> doesnt even need to be official. just some arb post
[09:24] <Rockett17> yeah really a script to add multiverse and universe would be nice
[09:24] <lsuactiafner> like a post on slashdot..
[09:24] <dooglus> which package should I use for the ntp daemon?  "ntp" or "openntpd"?
[09:24] <HappyFool> Rockett17: adding multiverse and universe is fairly easy with synaptic
[09:25] <Rockett17> that's true
[09:25] <Rockett17> however I forgot about that and just "sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list" out of habit
[09:26] <lsuactiafner> yeh but a script would be an easier referance
[09:26] <lsuactiafner> to apt-get mplayer ect
[09:26] <Rockett17> plus I don't use this system's gui very often.. I am usually shh'd in on a terminal services session at work
[09:26] <Rockett17> ssh^
[09:26] <lsuactiafner> yeh also hang around in console more than gui
[09:27] <Joe_Powerbook> someone might want to change the MOTD as it appears the torrent tracker is back online
[09:27] <Jet2k5> kvidell: you there?
[09:27] <sorush20> Guys  what is the easiest way to run a dvd on Ubuntu
[09:27] <kvidell> no
[09:27] <kvidell> yes
[09:27] <kvidell> er
[09:27] <kvidell> go ahead.
[09:28] <AirWays> I just have installed eggdrop with "sudo apt-get install eggdrop", but where is it now?
[09:28] <HappyFool> !restricted
[09:28] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:28] <AirWays> I cant find it anywhere
[09:28] <X-Ubuntu> damn, no right click
[09:28] <lsuactiafner> ummm
[09:28] <HappyFool> sorush20: read that link (the one ubotu posted)
[09:28] <epl> AirWays: dpkg -L eggdrop
[09:28] <HappyFool> sorush20: it will tell you how
[09:28] <rg58sma> hi
[09:28] <rg58sma> need help
[09:29] <thoreauputic> X-Ubuntu: play with your F11 and F12 keys
[09:29] <rg58sma> another player with svcd support??
[09:29] <AirWays> thaks
[09:29] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> vlc ?
[09:29] <rg58sma> not mplayer
[09:29] <rg58sma> mmm
[09:29] <X-Ubuntu> thanks
[09:29] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> np
[09:29] <rg58sma> dont work for my svcd movie
[09:30] <AirWays> Where I can find Eggdrops config file, it says at startup "Please make sure you edit your config file compketely"
[09:30] <Seveas> AirWays, dpkg -S eggdrop
[09:30] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> is your svcd special format ?
[09:30] <Seveas> AirWays, dpkg -L eggdrop
[09:30] <Seveas> not the first one :)
[09:30] <epl> AirWays: /usr/share/doc/eggdrop/
[09:31] <orospakr> hi!  I have a small network of hoary machines which are moutning an NFS share off another hoary box.  however, I keep getting nsm_mon_unmon: rpc failed, status=-13
[09:31] <orospakr> lockd: cannot monitor 206.126.82.72
[09:31] <orospakr>  on a new machine I am adding. what did I forget? :(
[09:31] <justin> rg58sma: do you know what an error message is?
[09:31] <orospakr> (whoops, sorry about the newlines)
[09:31] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> from what ive used svcd will work on VLC
[09:31] <random_> I have a soundcard that isn't autodetected. the helpsite says to download the latest alsa drivers. i've done so and have extracted it to my desktop. what do i do from here to get my sound working?
[09:31] <dieman> orospakr: nfs-common?
[09:31] <rg58sma> i dont know how to view errors==
[09:32] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> in console window launch video program
[09:32] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> the debug will be displayed in the term window you launched the app from
[09:32] <JovenComunista> i have a problem
[09:32] <rg58sma> ok
[09:33] <JovenComunista> installing a usb network adapter
[09:33] <JovenComunista> how do i make it worl
[09:33] <JovenComunista> work
[09:33] <JovenComunista> ???
[09:33] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> plug and pray :} joke
[09:33] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> lol
[09:34] <random_> can anyone point me in the right direction?
[09:34] <zephyrnovo> I've got a WIFI Adapter that isn't working... well it's working, finding acces points.. but it's... it's not getting an IP ADDRESS!
[09:34] <AndyR> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, it works for me :)
[09:34] <JovenComunista> very helpfull junkphreak
[09:34] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> hahah
[09:34] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> kewl
[09:34] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> sorry
[09:34] <rg58sma> with totem havent any error
[09:34] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> just had too
[09:34] <rg58sma> but the file dont start
[09:35] <JovenComunista> umm...
[09:35] <justin> rg58sma: what file?
[09:35] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> well when i install linux distros i use a # of diff players
[09:35] <random_> I have a soundcard that isn't autodetected. the helpsite says to download the latest alsa drivers. i've done so and have extracted it to my desktop. what do i do from here to get my sound working?
[09:35] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> kmplayer, olge , VLC , realplayer etc ...
[09:35] <justin> rg58sma: that is not how you play a vcd
[09:36] <justin> rg58sma: umount the cd and just run mplayer vcd://
[09:37] <rg58sma> ok friend
[09:37] <syntaxerror64> hi hondje
[09:37] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> JovenComunista : have you hit www.google.com/linux
[09:37] <hondje> Hi syntaxerror64
[09:37] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> or justlinux.com ?
[09:37] <rg58sma> all problem have fine with XINE
[09:37] <rg58sma> ten points
[09:37] <AirWays> Is eggdrops config files directory: /usr/share/eggdrop
[09:37] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> or linuxquestions.org
[09:37] <Rockett17> i'm hoping that xmms2 gets added the backports soon. I want to try it out.. (on the lines of media players)
[09:38] <Rumbo_> i noticed a lot of people talk about backports
[09:38] <syntaxerror64> hondje, do you know how to setup samba?
[09:38] <Rumbo_> what is a backport exactly?
[09:38] <hondje> syntaxerror64: Not really, no
[09:39] <syntaxerror64> hondje, oh ok.  i am able to see my windows computers on the network from ubuntu fine, but i cannot get the windows machine to see the shared folder in ubuntu.
[09:39] <HappyFool> syntaxerror64: how have you setup the share ?
[09:39] <hondje> I use nfs for everything, syntaxerror64
[09:39] <dooglus> dooglus: all you need to do to get ntpd working is "sudo apt-get install ntp-simple" - that will start the daemon and arrange for it to start every time you boot
[09:40] <dooglus> dooglus: thanks
[09:40] <syntaxerror64> HappyFool, uhm, i went to system/admininstration/shared folders
[09:40] <syntaxerror64> HappyFool, setup a shared folder in there.
[09:40] <thoreauputic> !samba
[09:40] <ubotu> it has been said that samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[09:40] <HappyFool> syntaxerror64: ah, fair enough
[09:40] <TooSad> i have installed mplayer-k and i have configured it but i can't listen to a wma file. why?
[09:41] <HappyFool> syntaxerror64: ok, why don't read that wiki page. if you still have problems, give me a shout
[09:41] <syntaxerror64> HappyFool, on my xp machine, when i browse the network it sees the ubuntu machine, but no shared folder under it.
[09:41] <hondje> I hate code that compiles with 10,000 warnings
[09:41] <syntaxerror64> HappyFool, i've been reading for about 3 hours all sorts of stuff trying to figure it out...  lol.  but i will check it out, thanks.
[09:41] <justin> syntaxerror64: try \\ubuntu\yourusername
[09:41] <HappyFool> syntaxerror64: i can help you tweak /etc/samba/smb.conf, but i think you should first read the page ubotu posted up there
[09:41] <rg58sma> jajaja
[09:41] <rg58sma> that it
[09:41] <justin> syntaxerror64: or whtaever the name of the computer name is
[09:41] <justin> er, yeah
[09:41] <syntaxerror64> justin, ok will do.
[09:41] <rg58sma> with <program name> vcd://
[09:41] <rg58sma> jajaja
[09:41] <syntaxerror64> HappyFool, i'll check it out and get back to you, thanks.
[09:42] <TooSad> who can help me?
[09:42] <justin> syntaxerror64: the default in debian ( never ran samba in ubuntu ) is that home directories are available, just not browsable, so you just have to access them directly the first time
[09:42] <hondje> TooSad: do you have win32codecs?
[09:42] <Rockett17> syntaxerror64> u can add more shares in the shares tool on the gnome desktop under settings
[09:43] <cavediver> Is there a good alternative gui ftp-client other than GFTP ?
[09:43] <rg58sma> i have another questions
[09:43] <TooSad> hondje: mplayer read wma in native mode or not?
[09:43] <TooSad> hondje: i have not w32
[09:43] <justin> cavediver: lftp?
[09:44] <zephyrnovo> jordan still there.
[09:44] <zephyrnovo> if so private message me
[09:44] <zephyrnovo> and provide the question again.
[09:44] <hondje> TooSad: Not a clue, but I'd suspect it doesn't
[09:45] <TooSad> mmm
[09:45] <TooSad> ok tnx
[09:45] <rg58sma> have a program to upload files to server (brinkster.com)
[09:45] <rg58sma> ??
[09:45] <IRCsloth> quick question... anyone having problems with 2d stuff consuming a lot of CPU on their ubuntu machines? I'm using the binary nvidia driver and in single monitor configurations and dual head things like scrolling text in a shell consume a ton of CPU
[09:45] <cavediver> justin: is that a gui client ?
[09:45] <justin> cavediver: close enough :-)
[09:46] <cavediver> Well... no console-client's please :)
[09:46] <cavediver> I hate those.
[09:46] <cavediver> :)
[09:46] <justin> cavediver: why?
[09:46] <IRCsloth> The machine is a fairly fast machine, P4 2.4Ghz, 1GB ram, fast disk etc. Nvidia 5200FX 256meg AGP video
[09:46] <orospakr> dieman, ah, thanks!
[09:46] <thoreauputic> cavediver: there's kbear, but it's a qt/kde app
[09:46] <IcemanV9> hondje: can i /msg u something (not related to ubuntu)?
[09:46] <hondje> Sure, IcemanV9
[09:46] <rg58sma> have a program to upload files to server (brinkster.com)??
[09:47] <hondje> IRCsloth: you're using nvidia drivers, or nv?
[09:47] <Thorrn4> hello! what is the beginning version of the ubuntu linux kernel?
[09:47] <IRCsloth> nividia drivers
[09:47] <cavediver> thoreauputic: ok... i have no kde components installed unfortenately... I refuse to install it :=
[09:47] <thoreauputic> cavediver: OK
[09:47] <hondje> IRCsloth: I have 5200, never saw anything like that
[09:47] <Thorrn4> hello! what is the beginning version of the ubuntu linux kernel?
[09:47] <justin> cavediver: do you know that nautilus does ftp and stuff?
[09:48] <thoreauputic> Thorrn4: if you mean the current Ubuntu, then 2.6.10
[09:48] <cavediver> justin: no i didn't.. but i doubt it can handle queing and such .
[09:48] <IRCsloth> yeah, it sucks... if I have a full screen terminal window and I'm doing a large ls or something that scrolls a lot of text my CPU monitor goes to 100% usage
[09:48] <justin> cavediver: no, but lftp can
[09:48] <cavediver> I can't download one thing, continue to browse and add other stuff in gftp. Otherwise, I like it.
[09:49] <justin> IRCsloth: are you using gnome-terminal?
[09:49] <HappyFool> IRCsloth: as a matter of interest, what terminal? xterm?
[09:49] <odie5533> how do I make a shortcut?
[09:49] <IRCsloth> sorry, yeah, gnome terminal
[09:49] <IRCsloth> I thought it was a font issue
[09:49] <cavediver> odie5533: rightclick on the Desktop or whatever.. Create launcher
[09:49] <IRCsloth> but even in default mode it seems to use a large amount of CPU
[09:50] <hubidubi> hi
[09:50] <IRCsloth> 3d stuff like tuxracer is nice and fast
[09:51] <IRCsloth> maybe it's gnome-terminal?
[09:51] <odie5533> Can I make a launcher that doesnt open a new window for nautilus?
[09:51] <pestilence> could somebody explain to me why acroread 7 in the backports repository depends on libgcc1 4.0?  and if i install that, will that mean i have gcc version 4?
[09:51] <pestilence> i don't want gcc 4...
[09:51] <justin> IRCsloth: gnome-terminal uses AA for stuff, and nvidia drivers come with the renderaccel option off by default... that's why it is slow
[09:51] <justin> IRCsloth: a normal xterm will be really fast
[09:52] <E0x> or can enable renderaccel
[09:52] <_kevin> Is Alsa sound better then esound?
[09:52] <IRCsloth> what does renderaccel do?
[09:53] <justin> IRCsloth: either makes things go faster, or makes things crash
[09:53] <syntaxerror64> HappyFool, you still here?
[09:53] <IRCsloth> haha
[09:53] <hondje> Who knows, but it improves performance in X
[09:53] <HappyFool> syntaxerror64: yeah
[09:53] <syntaxerror64> HappyFool, thanks so much i got it all working.
[09:53] <IRCsloth> going to take a look at my config, thanks
[09:53] <HappyFool> syntaxerror64: err. i did nothing ;)
[09:53] <syntaxerror64> HappyFool, that wiki page was exactly what i needed, thanks to whomever posted that.
[09:54] <HappyFool> syntaxerror64: that was thoreauputic ;). glad to hear you got it working
[09:54] <thoreauputic> syntaxerror64: thank the bot ;)
[09:54] <syntaxerror64> HappyFool, i have the shared folder i mounted and my home dir showing up in network places on xp now.
[09:54] <HappyFool> syntaxerror64: what was the problem (in brief) ?
[09:55] <syntaxerror64> HappyFool, i had something set incorrectly in smb.conf, and i was not logging in from my windows machine properly.
[09:55] <rg58sma> have a program to upload files to server (brinkster.com)??
[09:56] <IcemanV9> ftp
[09:56] <HappyFool> rg58sma: i don't know what brinkster.com is. there are lots of programs for 'uploading files', like ftp
[09:56] <Amaranth> smeg 0.7.5 is out! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38183
[09:56] <Amaranth> :)
[09:56] <matt_> just wondering.. I'm running ubuntu through VMWare on windowsXP. my wireless network seems to be automatically connected in ubuntu.. so I'm assuming this is just using the connection which is already present in XP?
[09:56] <syntaxerror64> now if i could just get my brother laser printer to share i would be set.  :)
[09:57] <matt_> i had expected to have to setup the connection again in ubuntu, with WEP key etc.
[09:57] <anolis_> hey guys whats up
[09:57] <Amaranth> matt_: Yeah, it's just sharing the connection with WinXP, you'd actually have to set it up if you installed for real (wep key and all that).
[09:57] <justin> matt_: vmware most likely just bridged the connection
[09:57] <rg58sma> ok
[09:57] <Amaranth> matt_: ubuntu in vmware is seeing a regular network card
[09:58] <rg58sma> but brinkster dot have suport for ftp
[09:58] <anolis_> hey Amaranth
[09:58] <rg58sma> is only http
[09:58] <sorush20> thanks guys.... I've just been able to play a DVD and I'm fully aware of the Multiverse and UNiverse... thanks for the help guys... I don't think I'll ever need to use a windows machine for the rest of my life...
[09:58] <hubidubi> is there a good backport for new mono packages for hoary?
[09:58] <anolis_> i put that script into a .py file and ran it from the command line, worked great
[09:58] <Amaranth> hi?
[09:58] <matt_> ahh yes. that makes sense... is there any way i could go about getting ubuntu see it as a wireless card
[09:58] <anolis_> :) cheers
[09:58] <Amaranth> anolis_: oh, yeah
[09:58] <rg58sma> or somehone knows a website to upload my files in ftp
[09:58] <Amaranth> anolis_: cool
[09:58] <matt_> i spose i should look in the vmware settings.
[09:58] <Amaranth> anolis_: run it again, new version is out :)
[09:58] <hubidubi> I need gtk-sharp >=1.0.8
[09:58] <anolis_> i just did it
[09:58] <anolis_> like 5 minutes ago
[09:58] <Amaranth> anolis_: ah, nice
[09:58] <Amaranth> anolis_: you have 0.7.5?
[09:59] <anolis_> lemme check
[09:59] <_kevin> hubdiduibi did you check synaptec
[09:59] <hondje> Is there a way to pass options to configure when using apt-get source -b, or are you stuck editing rules?
[09:59] <IcemanV9> way to go, sorush20 ! :)
[09:59] <sorush20> Guys when I'm playing a video DVD ... the playback is a little jumpy this was not the case in Windows.. can anyone help I'm using totem
[09:59] <anolis_> yep its .7.5
[09:59] <refuze2looze> anybody know what i can do with a CCD/IMG/SUB cdrom image? i tried using ccd2iso but that didn't work
[09:59] <hondje> sorush20: DMA
[10:00] <anolis_> :D
[10:00] <IcemanV9> i already ditched windows a month and half ago, sorush20
[10:00] <hubidubi> _kevin: sure
[10:00] <hubidubi> I checked it
[10:00] <Amaranth> anolis_: cool, good to know that script actually works (i've never ran it) :D
[10:00] <hondje> sorush20: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hd?, where ? is whatever your drive is
[10:00] <IRCsloth> anyone know what the NvAGP option is used for in xorg.conf?
[10:00] <refuze2looze> sorush20: try enabling DMA for your device (man hdparm) and also try using VLC media player it is better
[10:00] <IRCsloth> I see some people have it set to 0 or 3
[10:00] <IRCsloth> is that the AGP speed?
[10:00] <justin> IRCsloth: you have a /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz ?
[10:01] <IRCsloth> not sure, I'll check
[10:01] <IRCsloth> thanks
[10:01] <sorush20> what dose dma stand for and where is it...
[10:01] <anolis_> i need help with configuring my 2wire wireless pcmcia card, can someone help me?
[10:01] <nomasteryoda> DIrect Memory Access
[10:01] <jaysinn> When they say bots.  What are they refering too?
[10:01] <nomasteryoda> you can set it with hdparm
[10:02] <hondje> jaysinn: bots are chat scripts that serve various functions in IRC chans
[10:02] <refuze2looze> yeah, hdparm -d1 /dev/device
[10:02] <jaysinn> how do they execute?
[10:02] <HappyFool> sorush20: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DMA
[10:02] <nomasteryoda> like ChanServ  or
[10:02] <J35U5> @list
[10:03] <nomasteryoda> jaysinn, in xchat try '/msg ChanServ Help
[10:03] <thoreauputic> J35U5: this sin't a warez channel
[10:03] <anolis_> lol
[10:03] <osiris> hahaha
[10:04] <nobile> blah
[10:04] <osiris> @find pron_loads_of heh
[10:04] <anolis_> pron = rpon
[10:05] <jaysinn> '/msg ChanServ Help
[10:06] <HappyFool> try without the '
[10:07] <dieman> orospakr: np
[10:07] <jaysinn> whoa
[10:08] <refuze2looze> damn i hate these stupid cdrom images that are made with some specific windows software that you need to burn it
[10:08] <anolis_> like which type
[10:08] <refuze2looze> like ccd/img/sub
[10:09] <anolis_> isnt that a clone cd image?
[10:09] <refuze2looze> yeah
[10:09] <refuze2looze> i found some ccd2iso that didn't work
[10:09] <jaysinn> nomasteryoda, any other cool stuff?
[10:09] <Joxer> Hi, i have a problem regarding the making of a user account under the innstalation of ubuntu, anyone care to help me out ? :)
[10:09] <anolis_> why didnt it work
[10:09] <refuze2looze> what do you mean??
[10:09] <refuze2looze> clonecd is for windows
[10:09] <refuze2looze> there's not linux version
[10:09] <anolis_> ccd2iso
[10:09] <refuze2looze> ohh
[10:10] <anolis_> why didnt it work
[10:10] <refuze2looze> it said the ccd file is invalid or something
[10:10] <HappyFool> Joxer: what's going wrong ?
[10:10] <anolis_> joxer i can help
[10:10] <anolis_> just hold on
[10:10] <Joxer> HappyFool: Well, It refuses to make a user account in the innstaltion
[10:10] <refuze2looze> i managed to run UltraISO with crossover and convert it to ISO, but i don't think it's working right. can't burn with ultraiso though
[10:10] <sorush20> dev/hda:
[10:10] <sorush20>  multcount    =  0 (off)
[10:10] <sorush20>  IO_support   =  0 (default 16-bit)
[10:10] <sorush20>  unmaskirq    =  0 (off)
[10:10] <sorush20>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[10:10] <sorush20>  keepsettings =  0 (off)
[10:10] <sorush20>  readonly     =  0 (off)
[10:10] <sorush20>  readahead    = 256 (on)
[10:10] <sorush20>  geometry     = 65535/16/63, sectors = 40007761920, start = 0
[10:11] <anolis_> stop spamming sorush..
[10:11] <thoreauputic> sorush20: #flood or pastebin.com, please
[10:11] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> spam!
[10:11] <osiris> can anyone understand this? ive just downloaded a iso its 700 meg but when i come to burn it its only 52 meg?
[10:11] <osiris> ?
[10:11] <Joxer> prints some kind of message, but then goes back to to create account screen (fast)
[10:11] <sorush20> guys this is my out put for the DMA... what...
[10:11] <refuze2looze> sorush20: first of all stop that, second of all /dev/hda is your hard drive not your dvdrom drive
[10:11] <thoreauputic> sorush20: don't paste in the channel
[10:11] <sorush20> stop what..?
[10:11] <HappyFool> Joxer: hmm
[10:12] <thoreauputic> sorush20: pasting in the cahannel is spam
[10:12] <HappyFool> Joxer: well, you can create accounts after install
[10:12] <thoreauputic> *channel
[10:12] <sorush20> did you guys ever stop to think that I'm very new to all... this
[10:12] <refuze2looze> osiris: what kind of ISO is it
[10:12] <Joxer> HappyFool: how ? root is disabled, right ?
[10:12] <kudzubane> sorush20, paste stuff you want people to see to pastebin.com, then paste the link generated here
[10:12] <sorush20> pasting in a channel.. I was just giving info..
[10:12] <thoreauputic> sorush20: that's why I said please use #flood or pastebin.com
[10:12] <HappyFool> Joxer: hmm. so you're saying not even a 'default' account is being created
[10:12] <HappyFool> Joxer: what username are you giving ?
[10:12] <sorush20> okay... will try next time..
[10:12] <anolis_> i think what you need to do with ccd2iso is put ccd2iso <name.ccd> <nameyouwantit to change to.iso>
[10:12] <wdh> sorush20, for 2 or 3 lines that is nice.. but not much more
[10:12] <Joxer> HappyFool: im giving "joxer" as username, tryed lots of different ones too
[10:13] <HappyFool> Joxer: suboptimal
[10:13] <Joxer> huh ?
[10:13] <HappyFool> Joxer: sorry, i don't know what could be wrong, and i don't know if there are logs to check
[10:13] <IcemanV9> sorush20: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc (hope hdc is your CD drive)
[10:13] <Joxer> ok :/
[10:13] <HappyFool> Joxer: sorry, i was being silly. suboptimal just means bad
[10:13] <ceu> I have a 5.04 DVD iso with a wrong md5. Is there a rsync server? (for re-downloading only the wrong parts)
[10:13] <Joxer> aaaah, lol
[10:14] <Joxer> well, i tryed starting innstaltion again, to see if it works now
[10:14] <wdh> Joxer, s/tryed/tried
[10:14] <wdh> :)
[10:14] <refuze2looze> anolis_: yeah i know.. here's what it says Error at sector 0. The sector does not contain complete data. Sector size must be 2352, while actual data read is 789
[10:14] <HappyFool> Joxer: and? same thing?
[10:14] <justin> ceu: dunno about rsync, but bittorrent can fix the file for you too
[10:14] <refuze2looze> anolis_: i dont think the program works right
[10:14] <Joxer> HappyFool: Dunno, havent gotten that far again XD
[10:14] <refuze2looze> it's very pre mature
[10:14] <anolis_> i think something is wrong with the img :P
[10:14] <anolis_> lol
[10:14] <anolis_> i dont know tho
[10:15] <HappyFool> Joxer: how big's the partition you're trying to install on ?
[10:15] <refuze2looze> anolis_: i highly doubt that.. UltraISO didn't complain about it.. although i'm not really sure if it converted it correctly
[10:15] <Joxer> HappyFool: 7gb
[10:15] <justin> ceu: I think as long as the bytes aren't shifted over.. I think bittorrent just redownloads chunks, so if you somehow were missing the first byte it would still download the whole thing :-)
[10:15] <hellraiser_rob> whats happening people!
[10:15] <hellraiser_rob> ubuntu rocks!
[10:15] <HappyFool> Joxer: hrm, that should be plenty
[10:15] <Joxer> indeed
[10:15] <hellraiser_rob> :)
[10:16] <Belial-> anyone running Ubuntu on a TiBook 15" ?
[10:16] <ceu> justin: I'm using a dial-up link... I *can't* download 2 gb of data :-)
[10:16] <anolis_> can someone help me setup my 2wire wireless pcmcia card?
[10:18] <ziopino2> hola a todos
[10:18] <random_> how do i get alsamixer?
[10:18] <anolis_> como esta senor
[10:19] <ziopino2> bien
[10:19] <jaysinn> Does anyone now a good site for learning the xchat basics?
[10:19] <ziopino2> exit
[10:19] <refuze2looze> random_: when you type alsamixer in a terminal it doesn't work?
[10:19] <random_> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[10:19] <anolis_> yea
[10:20] <refuze2looze> random_: try apt-get -i alsa-utils
[10:20] <Joxer> HappyFool: i have figured out what was the problem
[10:20] <maxo> Hello, I'm considering installing Ubuntu, but I need to know whether it's OK with wireless cards? My Wireless cards is supported by ndiswrapper, but I'm worried that it's going to be fiddly to set up in Ubuntu?
[10:20] <kudzubane> thinking about ploping ubuntu on an ibook, anyone with similar setup?
[10:20] <anolis_> www.linuxquestions.org
[10:20] <Joxer> HappyFool: If you are interested in knowing what the problem is, in case anyone else ever has the same problem ;)
[10:20] <random_> E: Command line option 'i' [from -i]  is not known.
[10:20] <jaysinn> i have it on a mac mini
[10:21] <justin> maxo: try the livecd
[10:21] <anolis_> try the live cd
[10:21] <HappyFool> Joxer: please tell
[10:21] <refuze2looze> random_: apt-get install alsa-utils
[10:21] <kudzubane> jaysinn, how is the hardware support (been a while since i"ve played with linux on the mac)
[10:21] <Joxer> HappyFool: Well, apparently the innstalation dossnt like it when you have a scroll lock key that goes on an off, lol
[10:21] <maxo> justin: is the live cd a seperate iso I have to download?
[10:22] <HappyFool> Joxer: hmm. ok. i'll remember
[10:22] <dhewg> is grub x86 identical to grub amd64?
[10:22] <HappyFool> Joxer: thanks
[10:22] <Joxer> HappyFool, lol, ok, Well, thanks for the help anyways ;)
[10:22] <anolis_> max: yes
[10:22] <refuze2looze> random_: i dont know, try searching for what package contains it in packages.ubuntu.org
[10:22] <justin> maxo: yes
[10:22] <gylf> maxo: yes live CD is different from the install cd, but I don't think the live cd comes w/ ndiswrapper... you might want to try knopix if your just testing your wireless compatibility w/ ndiswrapper
[10:23] <maxo> well I don't really want to download another iso. basically could someone just tell me if they're on ubuntu now with their wireless card using ndiswrapper?
[10:23] <gylf> maxo: my wireless card works in ubuntu w/ ndiswrapper
[10:23] <justin> maxo: lots of people use wireless with cards that are actually supported.
[10:23] <anolis_> which wireless card do you have
[10:23] <picasso> hi. i just installed linux and i'm having some difficulty with my soundcard
[10:24] <picasso> i have a sb audigy (something or other, dell oem)
[10:24] <picasso> sound comes out the headphone jack (connected to the face of the machine), but it doesnt come out the line out in back any longer
[10:24] <maxo> anolis_: it's a shuttle pn15 wifi card, and it does work with ndiswrapper
[10:24] <maxo> I've had it working with suse
[10:24] <maxo> does hoary come with gcc?
[10:24] <picasso> i just installed ubuntu, just came from fedora 3, which sound came out both "ends" of the card
[10:24] <random_> can anyone point me in the right direction. I have the latest alsa-utils but i cannot get sound. a site says i needed the latest alsa drivers. so i dl'd them from the directory. where do i go from here?
[10:25] <syntaxerror64> picasso, perhaps the linux drivers for it don't support both outputs?  just a guess
[10:25] <picasso> syntaxerror64: you mean 2.6 drivers? it worked in fc3 (linux 2.4)
[10:25] <anolis_> cant remember if not just use apt-get
[10:26] <maxo> does ubuntu come with GCC?
[10:26] <thenuke> maxo: no
[10:26] <syntaxerror64> picasso, maybe ubuntu has different drivers?  i dunno
[10:26] <refuze2looze> maxo: no you have to install it using apt-get
[10:26] <anolis_> you have to use apt-get to get it
[10:26] <hondje> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:26] <anolis_> or the synaptics package manager
[10:26] <syntaxerror64> picasso, have you tried the ubuntu forums?
[10:27] <picasso> syntaxerror64: i got as far as registering.. :)
[10:27] <syntaxerror64> picasso, heehee, maybe someone in there has the same card as you and has already sorted the problem
[10:27] <picasso> yea i will look
[10:27] <syntaxerror64> hondje, what is nfs you said you use?
[10:27] <random_> can anyone point me in the right direction. I have the latest alsa-utils but i cannot get sound. a site says i needed the latest alsa drivers. so i dl'd them from the directory. where do i go from here?
[10:28] <hondje> syntaxerror64: Not really useful w/ windows, but it's 'network file system', I mount drives on other boxes locally over the network
[10:28] <syntaxerror64> hondje, so that's basically for sharing folders between two linux machines
[10:28] <hondje> well, kinda...it's more like sharing partitions
[10:29] <maxo> when I install gcc via apt-get, will it have to connect to the internet?
[10:29] <thenuke> maxo: yes
[10:29] <syntaxerror64> hondje, i see...
[10:29] <refuze2looze> maxo: it downloads it from the internet
[10:29] <hondje> syntaxerror64: on the plus side, it's ancient and works on any unix,  so OS X, solaris, etc
[10:29] <thenuke> why do ppl always give second answers to questions what I have already answered to :D
[10:30] <syntaxerror64> hondje, i have a mac too
[10:30] <syntaxerror64> hondje, maybe i shall try this out sometime
[10:30] <hondje> syntaxerror64: ah, cool :)
[10:30] <kvidell> thenuke: because they're trying to be helpful and sometimes having an answer told to you worded multiple ways is nice.
[10:30] <hondje> that, and lag
[10:30] <refuze2looze> thenuke: sorry, you're too fast didn't even see it =P
[10:30] <nalioth> howdy
[10:30] <nalioth> brb
[10:31] <syntaxerror64> hi nalioth
[10:31] <kvidell> It's one of the reasons I like asking questions in chatrooms. It's good to get multiple perspectives on some things.
[10:31] <maxo> ok well here's my problem: I need to compile ndiswrapper in order to install a wireless card, I'm reading http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto and it says I have to run: apt-get install build-essential fakeroot linux-headers-$(uname -r) - but if it has to download from the internet, then I'm in an impossible situation, since I won't have an internet connection at that point??
[10:31] <misfit-toy> maxo, I think it hits your ubuntu cd at that point
[10:31] <kvidell> however it is now time for me to shower.
[10:32] <maxo> misfit-toy: so it doesn't fetch from the internet?
[10:32] <misfit-toy> maxo, at that point I think not, someone correct me if I'm wrong
[10:32] <refuze2looze> maxo: no i think it does download from the internet
[10:33] <wdh> maxo, with apt-setup you can select repositories, being ftp/http or an available CD.. i think gcc is on the ubuntu cd..
[10:33] <misfit-toy> maxo, I ran that command earlier today and it asked for the cd.
[10:33] <refuze2looze> i don't think build-essential is on the CD
[10:33] <HappyFool> it is
[10:33] <maxo> ok well I hope it is :-~
[10:33] <HappyFool> not sure about fakeroot, but the other two are
[10:33] <refuze2looze> happyfool: gcc and all that are on the CD??
[10:33] <maxo> also, can I access my NTFS partition from Ubuntu?
[10:34] <mjr> maxo, read-only, yes
[10:34] <HappyFool> refuze2looze: indeed. gcc, g++ and make
[10:34] <refuze2looze> interesting..hehe
[10:34] <mjr> (read-write with captive-ntfs if you're adventurous and can hack it together)
[10:34] <wdh> HappyFool, but not the metapackage 'build-essentials' iirc
[10:34] <misfit-toy> heh
[10:34] <wdh> HappyFool, at least on warty it wasnt
[10:34] <maxo> ok well I'll install now then, and see what happens, I'm just slightly worried about ndiswrapper, but hopefully it should work
[10:34] <HappyFool> wdh: it is on hoary
[10:34] <refuze2looze> HappyFool: the first thing i did was take the cdrom source out of my sources.list so i dont know what's on the cd
[10:34] <wdh> HappyFool, ok, great
[10:34] <othernoob> how do i burn a bin and cue in k3b ?
[10:35] <HappyFool> fakeroot is there too
[10:35] <maxo> othernoob: there's a burn image option somewhere
[10:35] <wdh> othernoob, by following it's help files?
[10:35] <dave_> maxo: as long as you download the source you don't have to have an internet connection to build ndiswrapper
[10:35] <refuze2looze> othernoob:just burn image and open the cue file
[10:35] <othernoob> maxo yea but that's for iso
[10:35] <anubisds> anyone have PVR-250 experience?
[10:35] <maxo> dave_: ok, well thanks for all the help everyone
[10:35] <maxo> goodbye :-)
[10:37] <refuze2looze> othernoob: no, just select the cue file
[10:38] <anolis_> how do i get my wireless card to scan for aps
[10:38] <anolis_> for like wardriving and such?
[10:40] <nalioth> ok howdy y'all
[10:41] <syntaxerror64> hi nalioth
[10:41] <nalioth> othernoob: you can also use bchunk (long name:binchunker) to convert bin/cue to .iso image
[10:41] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: howdy
[10:42] <refuze2looze> speaking of which, any idea what i can do with a CCD/IMG/SUB cdrom image? ccd2iso doesn't work
[10:43] <nalioth> refuze2looze: it doesnt mount in the standard fashion? have you tried renaming it (i havnt a clue what type of img that is)
[10:44] <anolis_> i put iwlist eth1 scanning in and it says this eth1      Failed to read scan data : Operation not supported
[10:44] <anolis_> ???
[10:44] <refuze2looze> nalioth: it's a "CDClone" image. it's 3 files (a CCD which is kind of like CUE, IMG which is kind of like BIN, and SUB which is extra information or something)
[10:45] <siimo> hi can anyone tell me how to check my NIC address?
[10:45] <refuze2looze> nalioth: i tried using bchunk like the CCD is the CUE and IMG is BIN, didn't work.. and CCD2ISO gave some error
[10:45] <nalioth> refuze2looze: then i'm at a loss
[10:45] <LinuxJones> siimo, ifconfig -a
[10:45] <Rumbo_> ccd2iso should have worked
[10:46] <Rumbo_> ccd is not cue/bin compatible
[10:46] <refuze2looze> nalioth: i managed to run UltraISO with crossover but it is unable to burn
[10:46] <nalioth> refuze2looze: straight burnin the bin doesnt work?
[10:46] <Rumbo_> you got not access to a windows clonecd machine?
[10:46] <refuze2looze> Rumbo_: nope =/ i will in about a month or so, but for now there's 2 computers in this house both running Ubuntu
[10:47] <nalioth> refuze2looze: this is why i keep OSX on my ubuntu machine
[10:47] <siimo> thanks man
[10:47] <nalioth> refuze2looze: as much as i diss it (and it is deserving of dissin') winduhs has a place every so often
[10:47] <refuze2looze> Rumbo_: this is what ccd2iso says: Error at sector 0. The sector does not contain complete data. Sector size must be 2352, while actual data read is 789
[10:48] <refuze2looze> nalioth: why do you think OS X deserves dissing? i thought it was nice
[10:48] <Rumbo_> probably a bug in ccd2iso.. you got that ccd image from a reliable source?
[10:49] <refuze2looze> Rumbo_: well i tried another ccd also and it didn't work. besides, UltraISO found no errors in it
[10:49] <Rumbo_> refuze2looze:
[10:49] <Rumbo_> i found this on the net: http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/cdrecording/
[10:50] <syntaxerror64> anyone in here have any experience setting up a laser printer in ubuntu?
[10:50] <Rumbo_> hm they only give ccd2iso as solution too
[10:50] <refuze2looze> Rumbo_: yeah this is what gave me the idea to try using them like a bin and a cue file (after ccd2iso didnt work)
[10:50] <refuze2looze> "Burn with cdrdao and use the .img as .bin, .cdd as .cue and ignore the .sub. This may work correct."
[10:51] <refuze2looze> i hate it when people use these image files that requires some certain windows software
[10:51] <nalioth> refuze2looze: OSX doesnt get dissed by me at all
[10:52] <nalioth> refuze2looze: but win"duh"s gets my barbs alla time
[10:52] <darius___> How can I installed a .deb file .. not found in one of the repositories?
[10:52] <goldfish> darius___: dpkg -i blah.deb
[10:52] <darius___> goldfish: thx
[10:52] <goldfish> np
[10:54] <Rumbo_> refuze2looze, you can't get it in bin/cue format? ...tried usenet/bt?
[10:54] <refuze2looze> nalioth: oh. yeah.. damn i hate windows
[10:54] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd>  /msg nickserv link Th4tBa5t4rd asscock
[10:54] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> blah
[10:55] <dasameog408> hi
[10:55] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> *jedi mindtrick* you didn't see that
[10:55] <dasameog408> does ayone know any opensource online games
[10:55] <dasameog408> does ayone know any opensource online games
[10:55] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> dasameogo, What type of game?
[10:55] <refuze2looze> Rumbo_: you mean download the thing as a bin/cue? haven't found it.. i'll just wait till i get another box around here in a month or so and install windows on it
[10:55] <dasameog408> like rpg
[10:56] <refuze2looze> Th4t_Ba5t4rd: better change your password, your jedi tricks do not work here
[10:56] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> rpg aren't my bag. there are a few free mmos though
[10:56] <dasameog408> whats mmos
[10:56] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> yeah doin it now
[10:56] <dasameog408> i just want a fun one
[10:57] <dasameog408> Th4tBa5t4rd i just want a fun one i can put on my server
[10:57] <Th4tBa5t4rd> seriously, i dunno dasa...might try muds
[10:58] <dasameog408> whats a mmos?
[10:58] <gylf> dasameog408: mmo = massive multiplayer online
[10:58] <refuze2looze> massive multiplayer online game
[10:58] <dasameog408> oh thats what i want
[10:58] <dasameog408> i just want to host something my friends can play
[10:58] <dasameog408> and i can edit
[10:59] <gylf> dasameog408: there are lots of MUDs like that (text based RPGs)
[10:59] <gylf> dasameog408: or you can host your own enemy territory server (world war II FPS)
[10:59] <dasameog408> I dont want text based lol
[10:59] <dasameog408> i like adventure
[10:59] <dasameog408> or liek fantasy
[11:00] <gylf> dasameog408: check out http://happypenguin.org/
[11:00] <gylf> dasameog408: your best bet then is probably Neverwinter Nights
[11:01] <gylf> that's a D&D RPG game w/ a native linux client... its made by Bioware
[11:01] <mjr> NWN is quite a fine game, yes
[11:01] <dasameog408> can it run on windows
[11:01] <Rumbo_> neverwinter nights is great
[11:01] <Rumbo_> jez
[11:01] <Rumbo_> jes
[11:01] <refuze2looze> oh yeah, NWN
[11:01] <gylf> you can host your own adventures... yes
[11:01] <gylf> yes, there is a windows client
[11:01] <dasameog408> cool
[11:02] <dasameog408> can u edit it lmao
[11:02] <dasameog408> so i cna be good lmao
[11:02] <refuze2looze> dasameog408: you never heard of it? it's very popular, runs on windows and linux. not my cup of tea, but everybody else loves it
[11:02] <jaysinn> When someone answers a question. Do they type the name of the person asking the question? Or is there a shortcut?
[11:02] <Rumbo_> you can be a dungeon master
[11:02] <gylf> dasameog408, however, I don't think you can use the toolbuilder set in linux
[11:02] <gylf> jaysinn, no, hit tab to autocomplete
[11:02] <anatole> hi
[11:02] <jaysinn> like a shell
[11:02] <will> humm
[11:02] <gylf> right
[11:02] <anatole> i'm looking for a way to encode mp3s
[11:03] <jaysinn> cool
[11:03] <anatole> i mean, mp3 from mp3 bitrate changigng)
[11:03] <syntaxerror64> can someone tell me what CUPS is?
[11:03] <jaysinn> gylf, thanks
[11:03] <anatole> anyone knows a tool for that? i only found howtos for cd rippers
[11:03] <refuze2looze> anatole: i think LAME
[11:03] <misfit-toy> syntaxerror64, common unix printing system
[11:03] <nalioth> anatole: oggenc <laugh>
[11:04] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: Common Unix Printing System
[11:04] <syntaxerror64> misfit-toy, i am attempting to setup my laser printer in ubuntu.  there is a driver, but the margins aren't right.  i was looking over the web for help and i found something about using CUPS.
[11:04] <edgar> a
[11:05] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: there are several daemons living in your linux box, CUPS is one of them
[11:05] <jaysinn> You could learn so much, so fast here.  This rules!!!!
[11:05] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, there are several demons living in my windows box too.
[11:05] <jaysinn> endless amounts of information
[11:05] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: yes, but those are uninvited
[11:06] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> ahhh. linked up and good to go
[11:06] <misfit-toy> syntaxerror64, yeah, you can specify CUPS as the driver.
[11:07] <syntaxerror64> misfit-toy, can you tell me what advantage there is to doing this?
[11:07] <misfit-toy> syntaxerror64, CUPS is the most modern printing system available
[11:07] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> i have no clue how i "fixed" my sound issue for XMMS, but with eSound it now works without sound artifacts...system sounds are still complete crap
[11:08] <Seveas> Th4t_Ba5t4rd, well, e glad they ditched esound for breezy then :)
[11:08] <syntaxerror64> misfit-toy, do you now what a "gimp-print" driver is?  it's telling me to use that instead of the postcript driver.
[11:08] <syntaxerror64> now = know
[11:08] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> Seveas: they ditched eSound? ALSA hates my ALC
[11:08] <refuze2looze> Seveas: what will be the default sound server in breezy then?
[11:08] <misfit-toy> syntaxerror64, it's a driver specific to The Gimp
[11:09] <Seveas> refuze2looze, sofar: none
[11:09] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> *ALC850
[11:09] <Seveas> maybe there'll be polypaudio
[11:09] <jaysinn> can change my nick name?
[11:09] <refuze2looze> Seveas, once configured properly i thought esound wasn't so bad
[11:09] <Seveas> refuze2looze, i agree :)
[11:09] <syntaxerror64> misfit-toy, thanks, i found an entire site dedicated to just printing in linux so i will read there.
[11:09] <Seveas> but obviously Th4t_Ba5t4rd and esound do not agree with each other
[11:09] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> esound is working for me. if i try to use ALSA for anything i get horrid static/pops
[11:09] <Seveas> syntaxerror64, linux-printing.org?
[11:10] <refuze2looze> Seveas, didn't like esd at first either.. then i actually read the Wiki and learned how to configure it properly =)
[11:10] <Seveas> =)
[11:10] <syntaxerror64> seveas, yes that would be the one.
[11:10] <marlohn> hi
[11:10] <Seveas> ih
[11:12] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> well, next little project is to figure out how to update firefox. i hate being a newb >_<
[11:12] <Seveas> Th4t_Ba5t4rd, firefox in ubuntu is the latest version in disguise
[11:12] <lotusleaf> Th4t_Ba5t4rd, use backports
[11:12] <Seveas> it has all patches from 1.0.4 applied
[11:13] <nalioth> Th4t_Ba5t4rd: don't use backports
[11:13] <Seveas> lotusleaf, please do not advise to use backports when it is not needed...
[11:13] <kudzubane> Seveas, why isn't the version number updated, then?
[11:13] <Seveas> and since it is never needed: never advise backports :)
[11:13] <Seveas> kudzubane, there have been numerous discussions about that.
[11:13] <refuze2looze> Seveas, i think they fixed the version number to 1.0.4 already
[11:13] <jinxi> helo
[11:13] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> ahh. mine shows 1.0.2
[11:13] <[koji] > i though backports is an official project now
[11:13] <nalioth> Th4t_Ba5t4rd: put "about:config" in your URL bar and seach the result for "vendorsub" chg the number to 1.0.4
[11:13] <Seveas> Basically because the firefox developers are too lazy to maintain multiple branches :)
[11:13] <lotusleaf> Seveas, what's wrong with backports?
[11:14] <jinxi> how do I rip audio from a cd  to mp3 format?
[11:14] <Seveas> lotusleaf, well, i've seen nothing but trouble with it. But it has been improved
[11:14] <SirGir> jinxi, Use 'grip' ?
[11:14] <dooglus> I've just noticed something...  Ubuntu is absolutely fantastic!
[11:14] <nalioth> jinxi: use grip
[11:14] <Seveas> Th4t_Ba5t4rd, mine too, but it has all 1.0.4 patches applied
[11:14] <kudzubane> Seveas, i see
[11:14] <nalioth> dooglus: it's taken you this long to realize that?
[11:14] <lotusleaf> Seveas, when you say trouble, what do you mean exactly? Trojaned binaries?
[11:15] <refuze2looze> trojans for linux??
[11:15] <refuze2looze> i don't think so
[11:15] <Seveas> lotusleaf, no, upgrade hell
[11:15] <lotusleaf> refuze2looze, they do exist
[11:15] <Seveas> and horribly naming of packages
[11:15] <goldfish> refuze2looze: there can be trojanized versions of programs.
[11:15] <lotusleaf> Seveas, ah that's it? No biggie then ;)
[11:15] <Seveas> lotusleaf, and bad QA generally
[11:16] <kudzubane> as long as the security patches are applied, it matters little what the version number displayed is
[11:16] <nalioth> lotusleaf: just inablility to upgrade
[11:16] <dooglus> nalioth: when I first booted the live cd, I thought "wow", but since then, I've not really noticed how great it is.  But now I do. :)
[11:16] <kudzubane> unless, of course, it is a major version upgrade
[11:16] <Adyeths> I've seen trojans for linux already.
[11:16] <[koji] > bp will get better now that its an official ubuntu project
[11:16] <lotusleaf> Seveas, & nalioth roger that
[11:16] <refuze2looze> lotusleaf: not in the backports i wouldn't imagine
[11:16] <Seveas> [koji] , indeed
[11:17] <kudzubane> trying to see if ubuntu is a solid enough distro to try (i realize most of you think so....)
[11:17] <Seveas> [koji] , but i will still not use them for at least until breezy+1
[11:17] <Seveas> kudzubane, it is :)
[11:17] <lotusleaf> refuze2looze, nor would I, but I had to ask
[11:17] <wawa> Hi guys, anyone know of any GUI based VPN client I can use in Ubuntu?
[11:17] <kudzubane> Seveas, i have tried the last major release on an old lappy, i liked what i saw
[11:18] <TooSad> i have installed vlc and mplayer but i can't listen to a wma file. Why?
[11:18] <syntaxerror64> kudzubane, i just started using it and i like it quite a bit
[11:18] <transgress> TooSad: you need the w32codecs
[11:18] <Seveas> I just installed Hoary on a soon-to-be heavy used web/remote X/mail server, that shows my confidence in it :)
[11:18] <kudzubane> Seveas, how stable is the ubuntu ppc
[11:18] <TooSad> i have installed  w32codecs
[11:18] <TooSad> but nothing
[11:18] <Seveas> kudzubane, ENOIDEA, I don't own a PPC
[11:19] <nalioth> kudzubane: very stable
[11:19] <refuze2looze> i think nalioth uses linux on a PPC, right nalioth ?
[11:19] <SeamusLP> I'm pretty sure Linus Torvalds uses Linux on PPC.
[11:20] <kudzubane> nalioth, someone just mentioned w32codecs, how mature is the multimedia codecs and such under ppc vs. x86?
[11:20] <nalioth> kudzubane: w32codecs only run on x86
[11:20] <kudzubane> nalioth, i realize that, and hence the question
[11:20] <SeamusLP> w32codecs are binary only, meaning that you can't recompile them for a different arch
[11:20] <anatole> anyone knows how to install m4a support?
[11:20] <nalioth> kudzubane: you got most all a/v support except of course wmv3
[11:21] <nalioth> anatole: libfaac
[11:21] <kudzubane> nalioth, that is good news
[11:21] <kudzubane> nalioth, i can care less about the wmv's
[11:21] <nalioth> kudzubane: most all my pR0n, er educational videos play well on my iBook
[11:21] <Ungy> kudzubane, doesn't like good porn
[11:22] <anatole> nalioth: thx
[11:22] <maxo> well I'm on ubuntu. And wireless config was flawless. wow
[11:22] <kudzubane> nalioth, my trial machine for ubuntu ppc is an older 12in ibook
[11:22] <Ungy> someone should ban this will character\
[11:22] <kudzubane> nalioth, airport works?
[11:22] <refuze2looze> Torvald's response came quickly and succinctly. "My main machine these days is a dual 2GHz G5 (aka PowerPC 970)--it's physically a regular Apple Mac, although it obviously only runs Linux, so I don't think you can call it a Mac any more ;)" he wrote.
[11:22] <refuze2looze> so he does
[11:22] <nalioth> kudzubane: original airport
[11:23] <nalioth> kudzubane: APX still no go (but work is being done)
[11:23] <misfit-toy> first day of ubuntu here, man it's peppy! all my other boxes are fedora
[11:23] <kudzubane> nalioth, yes, original airport (802.11b) that came with my g3 ibook
[11:23] <gylf> misfit-toy, it is indeed
[11:23] <Seveas> Ungy, why ban will__ ?
[11:23] <nalioth> kudzubane: so buy the last model with orig airport, max the ram and enjoy your pet castreated power4 machine
[11:23] <nalioth> kudzubane: my G3/600 works great
[11:24] <Ungy> Seveas no will not will__
[11:24] <kudzubane> nalioth, x accelerated?  (radeon 7500 i believe)
[11:24] <mz2> the newest nvidia driver works strangely
[11:24] <Seveas> Ungy, ah, well, there is no will in here now :)
[11:24] <dooglus> guys, what is the recommended way of setting environment variables, such as "BROWSER" and "EDITOR" to set defaults?
[11:24] <mz2> it fails to work if i don't install it on every boot :)
[11:24] <nalioth> kudzubane: works great
[11:24] <Seveas> dooglus, in ~/.bashrc or ~/.gnomerc
[11:24] <nalioth> kudzubane: the only beef i've got is "sleep" (really the waking up part)
[11:25] <Seveas> mz2, have you added the modulename to /etc/modules?
[11:25] <dooglus> Seveas: I mean so that they are present to my GNOME/KDE/XFCE4/whatever
[11:25] <Amaranth> dooglus: update-alternatives
[11:25] <kudzubane> nalioth, i have same issues on the x86 with sleep and wake
[11:25] <Kinpi> i asked this in kubuntu as well, so sorry to flood, but does anyone know if it's possible to burn a cd from the live cd when you only have one cd rom?
[11:25] <Seveas> dooglus, ah...
[11:25] <Seveas> ENOCLUE then, sorry
[11:25] <nalioth> kudzubane: the PPC has such a small hardware base, everything works great (except hte new APX)
[11:25] <dooglus> Seveas: if I put it in .bash* then it will only work if I run a terminal, and run the apps from the terminal, I think
[11:25] <mz2> Seveas, haven't changed anything in configuration since the last version (that worked fine). it is in /etc/modules . X fails with "fatal io error 104" (i think it was 104)
[11:26] <kudzubane> nalioth, broadcom not cooperating, eh?
[11:26] <avinoam> anyone here using mplayer?
[11:26] <refuze2looze> Kinpi: i think not.. but try it
[11:26] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> Kinpi, i don't believe so
[11:26] <Seveas> dooglus, indeed
[11:26] <Kinpi> refuze2looze> i tried, unsuccessful heh
[11:26] <dooglus> Seveas: maybe in ~/.xinitrc?
[11:26] <Kinpi> thought maybe someone else knew something
[11:26] <refuze2looze> Kinpi: then the answer is no =P
[11:26] <mz2> could that be some udev-related issue? as said it works fine on the same bootup time when it's been installed
[11:26] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> you can with slax. i did this morning. but Slax lets you load to RAM
[11:26] <raDeon> WHO CALLED ME
[11:26] <Kinpi> refuze2looze> omar santana fan?
[11:26] <raDeon> WHAT DO YOU WANT
[11:26] <avinoam> Whenever i try to fullscreen a video in Mplayer, it doesn't actually stretch the feed
[11:26] <raDeon> SPEAK UP BOY
[11:26] <nalioth> kudzubane: you know how it is
[11:26] <raDeon> SPEAK UP
[11:26] <Seveas> dooglus, you could try :)
[11:27] <Kinpi> Th4t_Ba5t4rd> what's slax?
[11:27] <nalioth> kudzubane: the day b4 the devs reverse engineer it, bc will release the code
[11:27] <othernoob> how many partitions does ubuntu create when you choose automatic partitioning during installation ?
[11:27] <dooglus> I'll do that.
[11:27] <Ungy> Why is it all the new ubuntu users always go to debian and ask questions there
[11:27] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> Kinpi, a LiveCD version of Slackware
[11:27] <refuze2looze> Kinpi: what?
[11:27] <maxo> othernoob: 2 - a main partition and swap
[11:27] <avinoam> all is does is to make a large black frame
[11:27] <Kinpi> cool i was wondering if there was a live slack
[11:27] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> hold on a sec and i can get you a URL
[11:27] <maxo> I'm looking at /boot/grub/menu.lst but I'm slightly confused as to how to change the default boot entry?
[11:27] <Kinpi> refuze2looze> your nick is also a song/track from someone i listen to
[11:27] <kudzubane> kudzubane, sigh....
[11:27] <othernoob> maxo: so there shouldn't be any problem mounting another fat32, right ?
[11:28] <refuze2looze> Kinpi: oh.. i got it from a rap song
[11:28] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> Kinpi http://slax.linux-live.org/       you can load it to a USB key too
[11:28] <Seveas> maxo, what's the confusion?
[11:29] <Kinpi> cool, thanks Th4t_Ba5t4rd
[11:29] <Kinpi> it's not mentioned on the main slackware site is it?
[11:29] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> i don't think so
[11:30] <jinxi> this is pissing me off
[11:30] <lsuactiafner> i think there is a live cd of slack
[11:30] <jinxi> I am using grip to encode+rip
[11:30] <jinxi> and I just installed gogo
[11:30] <Ungy> why not use knoppix
[11:30] <JF6> How to install Nvu please
[11:30] <lsuactiafner> disk2
[11:30] <lsuactiafner> disk1 is install
[11:30] <jinxi> but grip still complain about gogo not beding foun
[11:30] <nalioth> JF6: there is a wiki article on it, or ubuntuguide.org
[11:30] <lsuactiafner> i could be horribly wrong
[11:30] <lsuactiafner> jinxi : use mencoder from mplayer
[11:31] <avinoam> anyone know how to truly full screen a video in mplayer? and not just make a full screen black frame?
[11:31] <JF6> i'm french....
[11:31] <lsuactiafner> just man mencoder press end and look @ the bottom of manual for examples
[11:31] <lotusleaf> freedom fries ;p
[11:31] <Seveas> JF6, then go to #ubuntu-fr
[11:31] <Ungy> lsuactiafner, why not use knoppix
[11:31] <dooglus> nope.  .xinitrc doesn't do it.
[11:31] <JF6> yes i'm in
[11:31] <JF6> :)
[11:31] <JF6> thx
[11:31] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> Slax is a slackware livecd. and it's pretty tiny under 250 megs. so it can be put on a USB key as well. also you can load the livecd to ram so that you can use the cd drive for something other than holding the distro
[11:31] <lsuactiafner> avinoam : -fs -zoom
[11:31] <lsuactiafner> -xy 2 if you must
[11:32] <Kinpi> holy crap, it's under 250?
[11:32] <lsuactiafner> slax aint official is it?
[11:32] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> yeah, a couple versions are under 100 megs
[11:32] <refuze2looze> Th4t_Ba5t4rd, are there BIOSs that support booting from a USB key?
[11:32] <avinoam> where do i enter that?
[11:32] <lotusleaf> I'm addicted to this cool game called Dungeon Crawl, or "crawl" for short.
[11:32] <nalioth> refuze2looze: yes
[11:32] <Kinpi> Ungy> i tried knoppix, wouldn't let me burn
[11:32] <refuze2looze> cool
[11:32] <goldfish> whoppix !
[11:33] <lsuactiafner> i dont get why they havent ported -vo vesa yet
[11:33] <jinxi> lsuactiafner, I can't, dependencies problem
[11:33] <Seveas> dooglus, /etc/X11/Xsession maybe
[11:33] <IcemanV9> Kinpi: slax will do the trick > www.slax.org
[11:33] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> refuze2looze there are quite a few that support booting from usb. usually listed in the bios as boot from other or boot from usb
[11:33] <Ungy> anyways just came to see why all these damned ubuntu users kept showing up in Debian
[11:33] <Ungy> take care
[11:33] <goldfish> hmmm.
[11:33] <lsuactiafner> Kinpi : i made a open-mosix single disk node before
[11:33] <lsuactiafner> the whole system = 1.399999MB
[11:33] <dooglus> Seveas: I'm just a poor user.  I can't edit global files - and anyway, that would mess up the other users...
[11:33] <lsuactiafner> worked like a charm
[11:33] <Kinpi> heh just what i wanted, to download an iso over dialup
[11:34] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> lol
[11:34] <lotusleaf> I flashed my bios with a dancing beetle ascii it was fun
[11:34] <Kinpi> whee
[11:34] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> my bios would probably let me boot from the kitchen sink, but i don't have the right cables :-/
[11:34] <lsuactiafner> was useless on its own tho, but on the cluster it rocked
[11:34] <Kinpi> rofl Th4t_Ba5t4rd
[11:34] <Kinpi> why do i see someone trying that?
[11:34] <Seveas> dooglus, ah ok. The way to go would then be putting it in a separate file and let ~/.gnomerc ~/.kderc and ~/.xfcerc all include that file
[11:34] <lsuactiafner> yeh the bios should support it, most new ones do i suppose
[11:34] <goldfish> Kinpi: they probably have :)
[11:34] <dooglus> .xfcerc, right :)  thanks!
[11:35] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> hey new refridgerators have computers inside...wouldn't be surprised if people aren't hacking them
[11:35] <refuze2looze> Th4t_Ba5t4rd,  lol.. my BIOS probably supports booting from USB too, just never looked into it =P
[11:35] <lsuactiafner> lol
[11:35] <lsuactiafner> yeh umm netbsd runs on my toaster
[11:35] <Seveas> dooglus, the filenames for xfce and kde were a mere guess
[11:35] <Kinpi> lol lsuactiafner
[11:35] <lsuactiafner> i swear..
[11:35] <lsuactiafner> you should see the uptime i can get with it
[11:36] <maxo_> ok I'm having a really weird problem - my computer keeps freezing up. I was on here a sec ago, and I had just asked a question about grub when it froze - could you tell me whether I disconnected at that point? (scroll up, it was about a minute ago)
[11:36] <Seveas> Th4t_Ba5t4rd, lol: ssh refrigerator shutdown
[11:36] <Kinpi> my hairbrush runs BSD
[11:36] <lotusleaf> lsuactiafner, a clever disguise, lucifer satan ;P
[11:36] <lsuactiafner> maxo_ : overheatin
[11:36] <lsuactiafner> or corupted memory
[11:36] <lsuactiafner> test your memory
[11:36] <lsuactiafner> it might have developed a problem
[11:36] <maxo_> lsuactiafner, apparantely when the RAM is corrupt, the computer reboots, which didn't happen
[11:36] <lsuactiafner> anagram..
[11:36] <Seveas> maxo_, are you still on warty?
[11:36] <lsuactiafner> maxo_ : freeze also..
[11:36] <jinxi> how do I rip a cd to mp3?
[11:37] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: lotusleaf i love anagrams
[11:37] <lotusleaf> lsuactiafner, are you satanist?
[11:37] <maxo_> Seveas: no, the latest ubuntu, but I also have this problem on windows
[11:37] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> corrupted ram will do lots of stuff to you
[11:37] <nalioth> jinxi: grip
[11:37] <Seveas> jinxi, soundjuicer
[11:37] <tyler_> is there a website on how to get Sambar to work with Ubuntu
[11:37] <lsuactiafner> jinxi : cdparanoia -B
[11:37] <lsuactiafner> or something
[11:37] <Seveas> maxo_, ah ok. That means a hardware problem
[11:37] <jinxi> soundjuicer does not encode it to mp3
[11:37] <lsuactiafner> there are rippers that support auto-naming
[11:37] <Kinpi> wonder why slax is so much smaller than other live cds
[11:37] <Seveas> jinxi, soundjuicer + lame then
[11:37] <maxo_> yes, which really annoys me. Because I thought it was just a driver problem with windows
[11:37] <lsuactiafner> check on freshmeat.net search ripper
[11:37] <jinxi> and grip on my box about commands I ha
[11:37] <lsuactiafner> or cdparanoia
[11:37] <lotusleaf> I want a where's waldo screensaver damnit
[11:37] <jinxi> I have lame installed
[11:37] <lsuactiafner> should list a bunch of utils
[11:37] <Seveas> Kinpi, because it does not include things like openoffice
[11:37] <jinxi> but that damn grip still complain
[11:38] <nalioth> jinxi: ya got lame and liblame onboard?
[11:38] <lsuactiafner> just do what i said.. and apt-get packages you are interested in
[11:38] <maxo_> but it could be the RAM or the graphics, or the hard disk, or the CPU... I don't know how to find out. And I don't know if Linux has logged anything
[11:38] <tyler_> how do u get Sambar to work?
[11:38] <lsuactiafner> look /var/adm/syslog
[11:38] <lsuactiafner> look in
[11:38] <Seveas> maxo_, you can test your memory with memtest86
[11:38] <lotusleaf> lsuactiafner, yeah like "apt-get install crawl" which will install dungeon crawl an insane game
[11:38] <Seveas>  /var/log/syslog that is
[11:38] <lsuactiafner> lotusleaf : www.medievia.com
[11:38] <maxo_> Seveas, how do I do that?
[11:39] <Seveas> and kern.log / emerg.log etc... are also useful
[11:39] <lsuactiafner> oh yes
[11:39] <jinxi> liblame not found!
[11:39] <jinxi> :'(
[11:39] <lsuactiafner>  /usr/adm/syslog under slackware
[11:39] <lotusleaf> lsuactiafner, what's that?
[11:39] <Seveas> maxo_, select memtest86 when booting
[11:39] <lsuactiafner> mud
[11:39] <dooglus> Seveas: .xfcerc doesn't seem to get run...
[11:39] <maxo_> Seveas: ok. Also, how can I change the default grub boot entry?
[11:39] <lsuactiafner> multi-user dungeon
[11:39] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, this is not slackware :)
[11:39] <lsuactiafner> rocks
[11:39] <nalioth> jinxi: so make it so
[11:39] <lsuactiafner> played 900 hours in 16 months
[11:39] <jinxi> nalioth, ??
[11:39] <lotusleaf> lsuactiafner, o_O
[11:39] <Seveas> maxo_, by editing /boot/grub/menu/lst
[11:39] <Seveas> maxo_, by editing /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:39] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : heh on my pc its under /usr/adm/ but this is a hybrid
[11:39] <lotusleaf> lsuactiafner, is it ascii only?
[11:39] <maxo_> Seveas: I know, but I can't see which is the option
[11:40] <lsuactiafner> lotusleaf : colour ascii
[11:40] <lsuactiafner> but its like the matrix
[11:40] <Seveas> maxo_, the line starting with default
[11:40] <lsuactiafner> i dont see text..
[11:40] <Seveas> somewhere near the top
[11:40] <lotusleaf> lsuactiafner, I love ascii dungeon games
[11:40] <nalioth> jinxi: install liblame
[11:40] <jinxi> it is not found
[11:40] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> I <3 GuildWars
[11:40] <Seveas> jinxi, enable universe & multiverse
[11:40] <maxo_> ah ok I think I have it
[11:40] <lsuactiafner> apt-get build-dep lame ; apt-get install lame ; echo "teh shit"
[11:40] <tyler_> how do i get Sambar to work?
[11:41] <Seveas> jinxi: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:41] <ocool> hey leute
[11:41] <Seveas> tyler read the howtos on the wiki/forums
[11:41] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : make a bot to echo that link every 5 minutes
[11:41] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, you do not need build-dep if you apt-get install
[11:41] <tyler_> k
[11:41] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: better a bot with AI that can asnwer those questions automajically
[11:41] <lsuactiafner> something like 'you supple newb go read the wiki : link'
[11:42] <ocool> kann mir einer helfen ??
[11:42] <lsuactiafner> Seveas ; yeh i know but i prefer to have deps
[11:42] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> see the wiki = RTFM
[11:42] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, but you are confusing newbies this way, please do not do that
[11:42] <lsuactiafner> ocool : speak english not dutch
[11:42] <nalioth> ocool: helfen sie en #ubuntu-de
[11:42] <lsuactiafner> nee..
[11:42] <Seveas> ocool, dutch is not german
[11:42] <Seveas> lsuactiafner*
[11:42] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : they should learn to be uber leet and compile packages they use most often themselves.
[11:42] <lsuactiafner> same thing (;
[11:43] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, not really
[11:43] <lsuactiafner> ek praat afrikaans van nou..
[11:43] <ocool> can you speak german??
[11:43] <refuze2looze> i think thats german not dutch
[11:43] <lsuactiafner> nee maar my taal is soos joune
[11:43] <nalioth> ocool:  i lived there for 6 years when i was young
[11:43] <Seveas> ocool, in #ubuntu-de spricht mann deutsch, hier spricht man englisch
[11:43] <hellraiser_rob> hi guys
[11:43] <lsuactiafner> lol Seveas
[11:43] <Seveas> afrikaans is leuk :)
[11:43] <lsuactiafner> no here we speak anything..
[11:43] <hellraiser_rob> i'm new to the forums, thought i'd say hi
[11:44] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> welcome hellraiser_rob
[11:44] <hellraiser_rob> ;)
[11:44] <ocool> Seveas: kannst du mit helfen??
[11:44] <Seveas> hi hellraiser_rob, this is not the forums :)
[11:44] <hellraiser_rob> i know ;)
[11:44] <ocool> wre net
[11:44] <lsuactiafner> tell me.. why aint prelink installed by default?
[11:44] <hellraiser_rob> does anyone have any issues with sound quality?
[11:44] <Seveas> ocool, vielleicht, womit brauchtst'u hilfe?
[11:44] <refuze2looze> whatsup with all the languages
[11:44] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, because prelink can cause problems
[11:44] <lsuactiafner> hellraiser_rob : not in linux..
[11:44] <Seveas> prelink is not stable enough yet
[11:45] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : like what?
[11:45] <lsuactiafner> oh..
[11:45] <lsuactiafner> heh
[11:45] <nalioth> refuze2looze: probably ubuntu-de is empty
[11:45] <lsuactiafner> i just ran prelink -a seems fine
[11:45] <Kinpi> lol you'd think people had found the second coming from the testimonials on the slax site
[11:45] <ocool> ich hab das neueste ubuntu und hab meine auflsung verstellt weiss aber nicht wie ich sie zurckstellen kann
[11:45] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> hellraiser, i had plenty of trouble with sound wuality
[11:45] <lsuactiafner> prolly going to break my system
[11:45] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, dunno exactly, there was a thread aout it on ubuntu-devel@lists
[11:45] <refuze2looze> nalioth, hehe but then lsuactiafner started speaking in afrikaans
[11:45] <ompaul> refuze2looze, what do you mean?
[11:45] <hellraiser_rob> what output is evreyone using for audio?
[11:45] <ompaul> hellraiser_rob, esd
[11:45] <lsuactiafner> hellraiser_rob : try alsa..
[11:46] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> hellraiser_rob, what is your sound card/onboard?
[11:46] <Seveas> ocool, hmm, main Deutch is nicht so gut, was meinst du mit 'auflsung'?
[11:46] <lsuactiafner> i'm so going to lose my voice again..
[11:46] <hellraiser_rob> yeah onboard
[11:46] <lsuactiafner> ek het ook nie verstaan nie..
[11:46] <maxo_> is there a repository with latest KDE bleeding edge?
[11:46] <ocool> bildschirm auflsung
[11:46] <ocool> oder monitor auflsung
[11:46] <refuze2looze> hellraiser_rob, esd, but to configure it right read the "Setting Sound up properly in GNOME" in the ubuntu wiki
[11:46] <Th4t_Ba5t4rd> which onboard soundcard, hellraider_rob?
[11:46] <Seveas> ocool, ah :)
[11:47] <lsuactiafner> try running alsaconf
[11:47] <Seveas> ocool, in das menu System -> Preferences -> Screen resolution kansst du das ndern
[11:47] <ocool> derzeit 400*600
[11:47] <lsuactiafner> but umm
[11:47] <lsuactiafner> dont listen to me
[11:47] <nalioth> ocool: if you speak any kind of english, it would help (mein deutch is schlect)
[11:47] <lsuactiafner> really..
[11:47] <hellraiser_rob> thanks for all the suggestions chaps
[11:47] <lsuactiafner> spiel mit mir...
[11:47] <hellraiser_rob> i'll go though them all
[11:47] <Seveas> nalioth, we have established that his english is just as bad :)
[11:47] <lsuactiafner> thats all i know..
[11:47] <ocool> soweit war ich auch schon aber darunter geht das leider nicht
[11:48] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, Ramms+ein?
[11:48] <nalioth> Seveas: ah
[11:48] <lsuactiafner> he wants us to take him to our leader..
[11:48] <ocool> gibt es noch eine andere mglichkeit??
[11:48] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : heh yeh
[11:48] <jetscreamer> !say i am the leader
[11:48] <ubotu> jetscreamer: I don't know
[11:48] <jetscreamer> shit wrong chan
[11:48] <lsuactiafner> lol
[11:48] <Seveas> ocool, ja, mit ein kommando auf der kommandozeile: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:49] <lsuactiafner> apt-get install Seveas
[11:49] <Seveas> E: Seveas has unmet dependency Merel
[11:49] <lsuactiafner> rofl
[11:49] <ocool> thx
[11:49] <lsuactiafner> we got too much time to waste
[11:49] <lsuactiafner> i need to study
[11:49] <ocool> das probier ich jetzt mal
[11:50] <lsuactiafner>  /detach once again... bx > all
[11:50] <lsuactiafner> (;
[11:50] <maxo_> oh sorry can I ask another quick question
[11:50] <Seveas> maxo_, always :)
[11:50] <Kinpi> maxo_> absolutely not
[11:50] <lsuactiafner> maxo_ : 1 question limit/day
[11:50] <Kinpi> you must ask long drawn out questions!
[11:50] <lsuactiafner> like.. 1 only.. asking to ask also counts..
[11:50] <Kinpi> lol lsuactiafner
[11:50] <lsuactiafner> sorry..
[11:50] <lsuactiafner> policy..
[11:50] <lsuactiafner> i dont support it..
[11:51] <Seveas> haha
[11:51] <lsuactiafner> but i cant fight it..
[11:51] <maxo_> ok well I'm trying to access my ntfs partition but it'll only let me access it if I'm root. I've got this line in my /etc/fstab :
[11:51] <maxo_> /dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    ro,user,noauto          0       0
[11:51] <johan_> i got trouble with drivers for my radeon, the screen is all fuzzy
[11:51] <maxo_> I also tried 'auto' instead of 'ntfs'
[11:51] <lsuactiafner> he defied me..
[11:51] <johan_> anyone got similar problem
[11:51] <lsuactiafner> bbl
[11:51] <maxo_> what is wrong with that line?
[11:52] <Seveas> change ro,noauto,user to ro,auto,user,umask=0000
[11:52] <lsuactiafner> johan_ : koop nvidia ja..
[11:52] <Kinpi> johan_> i have a similiar problem, i can't afford a radeon :( heh
[11:52] <Kinpi> lsuactiafner> looks like you have to discipline
[11:53] <lsuactiafner> johan_ : check on wiki for information.. maar koop in die vervolg nvidia
[11:53] <johan_> the screen is f* i see half the text
[11:53] <maxo_> Seveas: what does the umask thingy do?
[11:53] <johan_> i have ati
[11:53] <Seveas> maxo_, it lets you read it as normal user....
[11:53] <johan_> i need to log off its too bad
[11:53] <lsuactiafner> johan_ : running xorgconf might help... dont think you got the correct driver selected.. but thats a wild guess
[11:54] <lsuactiafner> xorgconf johan
[11:54] <johan_> brb
[11:54] <lsuactiafner> today i had fun on the internet, found a girl from my varsity and from her ip told her her name ect..
[11:54] <Kinpi> lol
[11:54] <lsuactiafner> made me look very smart..
[11:55] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, that must be new to you, lookig smart
[11:55] <lsuactiafner> fun fun.
[11:55] <Seveas> :p
[11:55] <Kinpi> we'll start collecting bail money for you
[11:55] <lsuactiafner> so now i got her number, i know she is good looking since i asked a friend in her dorm.
[11:55] <maxo_> Seveas, ok this is strange, it still won't let me access it, and it won't let me umount it either, apparantely the device is busy. but fuser isn't showing up anything
[11:55] <lsuactiafner> being a geek does pay off.
[11:55] <Kinpi> yes , yes it does
[11:55] <lsuactiafner> rofl
[11:55] <Seveas> maxo_, umount -f /dev/hda1
[11:56] <voth> sure, until your comp. outsources you.
[11:56] <Kinpi> lsuactiafner> esp when the cute girl needs her computer fixed
[11:56] <lsuactiafner> i will do community service helping ppl with linux for free..
[11:56] <lsuactiafner> yeh
[11:56] <maxo_> Seveas: yes, it still won't budge :-(
[11:56] <lsuactiafner> thats where i shouldnt install a webcam on her pc...
[11:56] <othernoob> Seveas doesn't umask=0000 allow read+write, shouldn't maxo change it to 0222 instead ?
[11:56] <Seveas> othernoob, it's ntfs, no writing possible :)
[11:56] <kudzubane> Kinpi, you know as well as i she'll never speak to you again after you fix her stuff
[11:56] <lsuactiafner> anyone here heard of the golden key society before?
[11:56] <Kinpi> kudzubane> unfortunately yes heh :(
[11:56] <Seveas> maxo_, lsof | grep /media/windows
[11:57] <Seveas> that'll show you what's keeping it busy
[11:57] <maxo_> ah ok umounted it. I was running 'umount' whilst cd in /media/windows itself oops :-~
[11:57] <Seveas> :)
[11:57] <nalioth> othernoob: writing to NTFS from linux may remove all your NTFS partition
[11:57] <Kinpi> kudzubane> that's why you fix it so something breaks in about a week
[11:57] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : grep should be prelinked.. grep is the shit
[11:57] <othernoob> nalioth: wouldn't bother me ;)
[11:57] <lsuactiafner> or
[11:57] <goldfish> 0222 is correct afaik
[11:57] <maxo_> ok cool it works :-)
[11:57] <lsuactiafner> locate notes | xargs grep text
[11:57] <maxo_> well 0000 worked
[11:57] <lsuactiafner> since i got notes all over
[11:57] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, s/locate/slocate/
[11:57] <Tyche> I just installed and when it boots up I log in, type X and it starts to load x windows but never does...what am I doing wrong?
[11:58] <Seveas> slocate is da bomb
[11:58] <lsuactiafner> seems the same?
[11:58] <nalioth> Tyche: your driver sounds suspect
[11:58] <lsuactiafner> same..
[11:58] <lsuactiafner> i think.
[11:58] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, no, not really
[11:58] <Seveas> read the manpage for differences :)
[11:59] <stars> which folder do i add a rc.firewall script to and which file do i edit to have it run on bootup?
[11:59] <lsuactiafner> i'm sentimental about locate..
[11:59] <lsuactiafner> stars : /etc/init.d/
[11:59] <lsuactiafner> make sure its chmod +x file
[11:59] <stars> thanks
[11:59] <lin_> easy question: but one I can't seem to answer. I have extreme troubles connecting my ubuntu with the internet.
[11:59] <Seveas> stars, if rc.firewall contains iptables calls, just put it somewhere and have it called from /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[11:59] <Tyche> nalioth: video driver? Is there a way to reconfigure that?
[11:59] <lin_> have something to do with ipv6?
[11:59] <Kinpi> Lin_>winmodem?
[11:59] <lsuactiafner> and running a firewall @ start might not be a good idea since you might be locked out your system if its on the other side of your house without a screen.
[11:59] <Seveas> stars, or put it in /etc/init.d and run rc-update
[11:59] <lin_> no. I'm on WLAN right now
[12:00] <lin_> it is touch and go