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| Riddell | meeting's started | 12:08 |
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| allee | motaboy: ping? I'v not seen your /me is ... on -meeting | 12:11 |
| motaboy | allee: thanks done :D | 12:12 |
| allee | motaboy: great ;) | 12:12 |
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| allee | motaboy: me too ;) | 12:13 |
| motaboy | :P | 12:13 |
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| Riddell | motaboy: we need the .orig file for metabar | 12:49 |
| motaboy | Riddell: I'll redo them as I cannot discover the orig anymore (I think it's the source distributed upstream) | 12:51 |
| Riddell | cool | 12:52 |
| motaboy | Night All! | 01:21 |
| SquishyWaffle | wow, #ubuntu-motu is always quiet | 01:26 |
| Riddell | SquishyWaffle: guess they're all in the meeting or sleeping | 01:28 |
| SquishyWaffle | oh, didn't realize that's still going | 01:28 |
| uniq | riddell: lets postpone the opstuff alteast until tomorrow. I really need to sleep now. | 01:30 |
| uniq | gnite :) | 01:30 |
| Riddell | uniq: it's been discussed, I need to talk to daniels about getting me able to assign ops | 01:31 |
| uniq | yes, i read it. | 01:32 |
| uniq | well, gnite again. | 01:36 |
| Riddell | nicht | 01:36 |
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| Riddell | http://distrocenter.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/04/19/200233 nice review | 11:37 |
| JRe | ;) | 12:00 |
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| Riddell | \sh: "debian/rules: Removed DEB_DH_INSTALL_ARGS := --list-missing" why was that removed? | 03:44 |
| Riddell | libkexif | 03:44 |
| \sh | ahh...because of...I forgot... | 04:12 |
| \sh | but with this line there was an error | 04:13 |
| \sh | ah right, some files were not in the resulting package | 04:13 |
| Riddell | they don't go away if you just remove the --list-missing :) | 04:14 |
| \sh | sure...they were inside after this :) try it :) | 04:16 |
| uniq | hello. | 06:19 |
| allee | Riddell, \sh: I used --list-missing in libkexif to check the .install are correct. With or without --list-missing changes nothing except that the buildlog is smaller without ;) | 06:31 |
| allee | \sh are you sure that --list-missing generated an error? It never did on debian. | 06:32 |
| === allee is curious to see how/if the kubuntu diff reaches the libkexif debian maintainer ;) | ||
| Riddell | allee: the diff is renaming for gcc 4 | 06:36 |
| allee | Riddell: and remove list-missing I assume. I can do it for debian too. AFAIU having *ubuntu* in version prevents autosync | 06:38 |
| uniq | it's best if you get it into debian first.. and let autosync do the ubuntu-stuff (if that'll work for the package). | 06:40 |
| allee | uniq: is autosync running at these times? (because ubuntu doing gcc4 trans, debian not yet) | 06:41 |
| uniq | not running right now, but everything with *ubuntu* in the versio nstring must be updated manualy. | 06:42 |
| uniq | if you get it into debian you can save yourself (and others) for some extra work.C[C[C | 06:43 |
| uniq | that's the -motu idea.. anyway. | 06:46 |
| Riddell | -ubuntu packages do get a friendly bugzilla entry saying "you need to sync this" | 06:58 |
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| \sh | Riddell: we need a nicer cursor theme for kubuntu | 08:12 |
| Riddell | \sh: it uses the same one as ubuntu | 08:13 |
| Riddell | \sh: but for some reason kdm, kwin and konqueror's busy cursor doesn't use it | 08:13 |
| \sh | Riddell: well, but we should find something matching to plastik, lipstik...or is anyone working on the default ubuntu thene for kubuntu? | 08:14 |
| uniq | i like the ubuntu mousecursor clean an simple. no-bs. | 08:15 |
| Riddell | \sh: there's a crystal cursor theme, it's horrible | 08:16 |
| \sh | where are the default cursors normally in the / tree? | 08:16 |
| Riddell | cursor themes are pretty hard to do anything exiting with that you would want to actually use | 08:17 |
| \sh | my cursors are not the same as in ubuntu :( | 08:17 |
| Riddell | \sh: no, I had to take a copy of them, see kubuntu-default-settings | 08:17 |
| Riddell | /usr/share/icons/kubuntu/ | 08:18 |
| \sh | hmmm | 08:18 |
| Riddell | \sh: what cursor theme are you using? | 08:18 |
| \sh | after the default install of kubuntu, the link for default.kde is on crystalsvg. | 08:18 |
| \sh | kubuntu install cd :) | 08:19 |
| Riddell | there's no icons in /usr/share/icons/kubuntu/, it's just for the cursor theme | 08:19 |
| \sh | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2005-06-04 15:44 default.kde -> crystalsvg | 08:20 |
| Riddell | yes | 08:20 |
| \sh | but i installed also the kde3.4.1 update packages | 08:20 |
| Riddell | crystalsvg is the icon set | 08:20 |
| Riddell | mouse cursor set elsewhere | 08:21 |
| \sh | /etc/X11/cursors? | 08:22 |
| Riddell | /usr/share/icons/kubuntu/ | 08:23 |
| \sh | yeah...but u have to set the default cursor theme | 08:23 |
| \sh | in /etc/X11/cursors are {core,handhelds,redglass,whiteglass}.theme | 08:24 |
| \sh | and xorg is searching for index.theme in ~/.icons/ and where else? somewhere u have to set default.theme=kubuntu.theme or something like this | 08:24 |
| uniq | $HOME/.icons, /usr/share/icons, /usr/share/pixmaps, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons | 08:25 |
| \sh | and the default is index.theme, with [Icon Theme] Inherits=kubuntu.theme | 08:26 |
| \sh | and the default is index.theme, with [Icon Theme] Inherits=kubuntu (even) | 08:26 |
| uniq | if that is found.. yes. | 08:27 |
| \sh | and if it's not found? | 08:28 |
| uniq | it'll default to the default theme. | 08:29 |
| \sh | and the default default is core? | 08:29 |
| uniq | as in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/default or something. | 08:29 |
| \sh | ahhh...there it is | 08:29 |
| \sh | but it looks strange to me...anyways | 08:30 |
| Riddell | \sh: kdebluetooth reviewed on MOTUNewPackages | 08:31 |
| \sh | not now...i just fixed warped...it took my brain out | 08:31 |
| Riddell | warped? | 08:33 |
| \sh | yes | 08:33 |
| uniq | riddell: got something i can help with? since celestia can be synced with debian directly. | 08:33 |
| \sh | a very important lib to ogra ;) and really crappy c++ code | 08:33 |
| Riddell | uniq: you could take a look at build failures of ggz-kde-games and ggz-kde-client | 08:34 |
| uniq | roger. | 08:36 |
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| motaboy | Hi to all! | 08:46 |
| uniq | hi motaboy. | 08:47 |
| Riddell | our newest member | 08:48 |
| uniq | congrats on membership :) | 08:49 |
| \sh | hey motaboy | 08:51 |
| allee | congratulations too. | 08:52 |
| allee | motaboy: ping? | 08:59 |
| Riddell | he's all shy | 08:59 |
| allee | no smoking ;) | 08:59 |
| \sh | gentoo dev and shy? never :) | 09:00 |
| KabelKasper | What about this mouse theme for kubuntu? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=6240 (the blue one) | 09:00 |
| Riddell | KabelKasper: 19:16 < Riddell> \sh: there's a crystal cursor theme, it's horrible | 09:06 |
| Riddell | it needs to be a lot more subtle to be usable | 09:06 |
| KaiL_ | Riddell: what kind of laptop do you have? | 09:12 |
| KaiL_ | 1600x1200 @ 12"? | 09:12 |
| allee | KaiL_: I'm sure he has not! Think about konsoles default font in such a beast: 1 mm height ;) but he kept the default, so he has 'low' res. q.e.d. | 09:14 |
| === allee duck ;) | ||
| KaiL_ | allee: you know the default fonts in kubuntu? | 09:14 |
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| allee | konsole has a different one. Look at the source ;) | 09:15 |
| allee | KaiL_: standard fonts: locate kdeglobals | 09:17 |
| Riddell | KaiL_: 1024x768 | 09:48 |
| Riddell | 14" | 09:48 |
| KaiL_ | same as the Asus M2400N here... | 09:49 |
| KaiL_ | why do you have 12pt fonts as default then? ;) | 09:49 |
| Riddell | KaiL_: what would you suggest? | 09:50 |
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| KaiL_ | 10 | 09:52 |
| === Riddell tries it | ||
| Riddell | ug, far too small | 09:57 |
| Riddell | my eyes arn't like they used to be you know, young whippersnappers | 09:57 |
| Riddell | of course it depends on dots per inch what the final size is | 09:58 |
| KaiL_ | imho 12pt looks awefull on everything <100dpi | 10:00 |
| KaiL_ | it's ok for some 1400x1050 @ 15" :) | 10:00 |
| Riddell | I'm on 75x75 dpi | 10:01 |
| motaboy | allee: thanks! | 10:29 |
| Riddell | 10 point fonts too painful, going back to 12 point | 10:30 |
| allee | Riddell: I'm happy with 10pt too. Are your 75 dpi real dpi? | 10:32 |
| Riddell | allee: dunno, ow wouldn't they be? | 10:32 |
| Riddell | how | 10:32 |
| allee | divide 1024 (768) by the with a ruler measured width (height) in inch = ??? | 10:34 |
| allee | Riddell: or check im xorg driver gets and use display dimensions from TFT | 10:35 |
| === allee busy importing knemo into KDE extragear | ||
| Riddell | allee: you make knemo? | 10:36 |
| allee | no percy (author) is to busy (lazy?) to do the 'formal' stuff. I just triggered it again and as a price have to do it myself ;) | 10:36 |
| Riddell | knemo has potential, but needs work before it can be used by default | 10:37 |
| allee | I only pkg knemo for debian (ask sponsor for final debian upload some days ago) | 10:37 |
| allee | after g++4 storm is over I plan to pester you about automount/hotplug plans for brezy and then pester percy to add necessary fixes to knemos TODO ;) | 10:38 |
| allee | personally I would like that a ifplug hotplug event triggers knemo so knemo is only active when monitoring | 10:39 |
| Riddell | I plan to look at ivmon | 10:39 |
| Riddell | nope, google doesn't know that | 10:40 |
| Riddell | what was it called | 10:40 |
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| allee | bbl | 10:41 |
| Riddell | good luck | 10:41 |
| Riddell | ivman seems to be it | 10:41 |
| allee | Riddell: for auto* stuff I really need it (my first not-only-a-one-line change) | 10:41 |
| uniq | riddell: ggz-kde-games fixed. i'll upload to my server tomorrow. | 11:57 |
| Riddell | uniq: cool, what was the problem? | 11:57 |
| uniq | had to add casting for some !='s | 11:58 |
| uniq | http://artis.imag.fr/Membres/Xavier.Decoret/resources/C++/operator==.html#bigpicture | 11:58 |
| uniq | something about that :) | 11:58 |
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