[12:08] <Riddell> meeting's started
[12:11] <allee> motaboy: ping?  I'v not seen your /me is ... on -meeting
[12:12] <motaboy> allee: thanks done :D
[12:12] <allee> motaboy: great ;)
[12:13] <allee> motaboy: me too ;)
[12:13] <motaboy> :P
[12:49] <Riddell> motaboy: we need the .orig file for metabar
[12:51] <motaboy> Riddell: I'll redo them as I cannot discover the orig anymore (I think it's the source distributed upstream)
[12:52] <Riddell> cool
[01:21] <motaboy> Night All!
[01:26] <SquishyWaffle> wow, #ubuntu-motu is always quiet
[01:28] <Riddell> SquishyWaffle: guess they're all in the meeting or sleeping
[01:28] <SquishyWaffle> oh, didn't realize that's still going
[01:30] <uniq> riddell: lets postpone the opstuff alteast until tomorrow. I really need to sleep now.
[01:30] <uniq> gnite :)
[01:31] <Riddell> uniq: it's been discussed, I need to talk to daniels about getting me able to assign ops
[01:32] <uniq> yes, i read it.
[01:36] <uniq> well, gnite again.
[01:36] <Riddell> nicht
[11:37] <Riddell> http://distrocenter.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/04/19/200233 nice review
[12:00] <JRe> ;)
[03:44] <Riddell> \sh: "debian/rules: Removed DEB_DH_INSTALL_ARGS := --list-missing"  why was that removed?
[03:44] <Riddell> libkexif
[04:12] <\sh> ahh...because of...I forgot...
[04:13] <\sh> but with this line there was an error
[04:13] <\sh> ah right, some files were not in the resulting package
[04:14] <Riddell> they don't go away if you just remove the --list-missing :)
[04:16] <\sh> sure...they were inside after this :) try it :)
[06:19] <uniq> hello.
[06:31] <allee> Riddell, \sh:  I used --list-missing in libkexif to check the .install are correct.  With or without --list-missing changes nothing except that the buildlog is smaller without ;)
[06:32] <allee> \sh are you sure that --list-missing generated an error?   It never did on debian.
[06:36] <Riddell> allee: the diff is renaming for gcc 4
[06:38] <allee> Riddell: and remove list-missing I assume.   I can do it for debian too.   AFAIU having *ubuntu* in version prevents autosync
[06:40] <uniq> it's best if you get it into debian first.. and let autosync do the ubuntu-stuff (if that'll work for the package).
[06:41] <allee> uniq: is autosync running at these times?  (because ubuntu doing gcc4 trans, debian not yet)
[06:42] <uniq> not running right now, but everything with *ubuntu* in the versio nstring must be updated manualy.
[06:43] <uniq> if you get it into debian you can save yourself (and others) for some extra work.C[C[C
[06:46] <uniq> that's the -motu idea.. anyway.
[06:58] <Riddell> -ubuntu packages do get a friendly bugzilla entry saying "you need to sync this"
[08:12] <\sh> Riddell: we need a nicer cursor theme for kubuntu
[08:13] <Riddell> \sh: it uses the same one as ubuntu
[08:13] <Riddell> \sh: but for some reason kdm, kwin and konqueror's busy cursor doesn't use it
[08:14] <\sh> Riddell: well, but we should find something matching to plastik, lipstik...or is anyone working on the default ubuntu thene for kubuntu?
[08:15] <uniq> i like the ubuntu mousecursor clean an simple. no-bs.
[08:16] <Riddell> \sh: there's a crystal cursor theme, it's horrible
[08:16] <\sh> where are the default cursors normally in the / tree?
[08:17] <Riddell> cursor themes are pretty hard to do anything exiting with that you would want to actually use
[08:17] <\sh> my cursors are not the same as in ubuntu :(
[08:17] <Riddell> \sh: no, I had to take a copy of them, see kubuntu-default-settings
[08:18] <Riddell>  /usr/share/icons/kubuntu/
[08:18] <\sh> hmmm
[08:18] <Riddell> \sh: what cursor theme are you using?
[08:18] <\sh> after the default install of kubuntu, the link for default.kde is on crystalsvg.
[08:19] <\sh> kubuntu install cd :)
[08:19] <Riddell> there's no icons in /usr/share/icons/kubuntu/, it's just for the cursor theme
[08:20] <\sh> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root    10 2005-06-04 15:44 default.kde -> crystalsvg
[08:20] <Riddell> yes
[08:20] <\sh> but i installed also the kde3.4.1 update packages
[08:20] <Riddell> crystalsvg is the icon set
[08:21] <Riddell> mouse cursor set elsewhere
[08:22] <\sh>  /etc/X11/cursors?
[08:23] <Riddell> /usr/share/icons/kubuntu/
[08:23] <\sh> yeah...but u have to set the default cursor theme
[08:24] <\sh> in /etc/X11/cursors are {core,handhelds,redglass,whiteglass}.theme
[08:24] <\sh> and xorg is searching for index.theme in ~/.icons/ and where else? somewhere u have to set default.theme=kubuntu.theme or something like this
[08:25] <uniq> $HOME/.icons, /usr/share/icons, /usr/share/pixmaps, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons
[08:26] <\sh> and the default is index.theme, with [Icon Theme]  Inherits=kubuntu.theme
[08:26] <\sh> and the default is index.theme, with [Icon Theme]  Inherits=kubuntu (even)
[08:27] <uniq> if that is found.. yes.
[08:28] <\sh> and if it's not found?
[08:29] <uniq> it'll default to the default theme.
[08:29] <\sh> and the default default is core?
[08:29] <uniq> as in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/default or something.
[08:29] <\sh> ahhh...there it is
[08:30] <\sh> but it looks strange to me...anyways
[08:31] <Riddell> \sh: kdebluetooth reviewed on MOTUNewPackages
[08:31] <\sh> not now...i just fixed warped...it took my brain out
[08:33] <Riddell> warped?
[08:33] <\sh> yes
[08:33] <uniq> riddell: got something i can help with? since celestia can be synced with debian directly.
[08:33] <\sh> a very important lib to ogra ;) and really crappy c++ code
[08:34] <Riddell> uniq: you could take a look at build failures of ggz-kde-games and ggz-kde-client
[08:36] <uniq> roger.
[08:46] <motaboy> Hi to all!
[08:47] <uniq> hi motaboy.
[08:48] <Riddell> our newest member
[08:49] <uniq> congrats on membership :)
[08:51] <\sh> hey motaboy 
[08:52] <allee> congratulations too.
[08:59] <allee> motaboy: ping?
[08:59] <Riddell> he's all shy
[08:59] <allee> no smoking ;)
[09:00] <\sh> gentoo dev and shy? never :)
[09:00] <KabelKasper> What about this mouse theme for kubuntu? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=6240 (the blue one)
[09:06] <Riddell> KabelKasper: 19:16 < Riddell> \sh: there's a crystal cursor theme, it's horrible
[09:06] <Riddell> it needs to be a lot more subtle to be usable
[09:12] <KaiL_> Riddell: what kind of laptop do you have?
[09:12] <KaiL_> 1600x1200 @ 12"?
[09:14] <allee> KaiL_: I'm sure he has not!   Think about konsoles default font in such a beast:  1 mm height ;)   but he kept the default, so he has 'low' res.  q.e.d.
[09:14] <KaiL_> allee: you know the default fonts in kubuntu?
[09:15] <allee> konsole has a different one.  Look at the source ;)
[09:17] <allee> KaiL_: standard fonts: locate kdeglobals
[09:48] <Riddell> KaiL_: 1024x768
[09:48] <Riddell> 14"
[09:49] <KaiL_> same as the Asus M2400N here...
[09:49] <KaiL_> why do you have 12pt fonts as default then? ;)
[09:50] <Riddell> KaiL_: what would you suggest?
[09:52] <KaiL_> 10
[09:57] <Riddell> ug, far too small
[09:57] <Riddell> my eyes arn't like they used to be you know, young whippersnappers
[09:58] <Riddell> of course it depends on dots per inch what the final size is
[10:00] <KaiL_> imho 12pt looks awefull on everything <100dpi
[10:00] <KaiL_> it's ok for some 1400x1050 @ 15" :)
[10:01] <Riddell> I'm on 75x75 dpi
[10:29] <motaboy> allee: thanks!
[10:30] <Riddell> 10 point fonts too painful, going back to 12 point
[10:32] <allee> Riddell: I'm happy with 10pt too.   Are your 75 dpi real dpi?   
[10:32] <Riddell> allee: dunno, ow wouldn't they be?
[10:32] <Riddell> how
[10:34] <allee> divide 1024 (768) by the with a ruler measured width (height) in inch   = ???
[10:35] <allee> Riddell: or check im xorg driver gets and use display dimensions from TFT
[10:36] <Riddell> allee: you make knemo?
[10:36] <allee> no percy (author) is to busy (lazy?) to do the 'formal' stuff.  I just triggered it again and as a price have to do it myself ;)
[10:37] <Riddell> knemo has potential, but needs work before it can be used by default
[10:37] <allee> I only pkg knemo for debian (ask sponsor for final debian upload some days ago)
[10:38] <allee> after g++4 storm is over I plan to pester you about  automount/hotplug plans for brezy and then pester percy to add necessary fixes to knemos TODO ;)
[10:39] <allee> personally I would like that a ifplug hotplug event triggers knemo so knemo is only active when monitoring
[10:39] <Riddell> I plan to look at ivmon
[10:40] <Riddell> nope, google doesn't know that
[10:40] <Riddell> what was it called
[10:41] <allee> bbl
[10:41] <Riddell> good luck
[10:41] <Riddell> ivman seems to be it
[10:41] <allee> Riddell: for auto* stuff I really need it  (my first not-only-a-one-line change)
[11:57] <uniq> riddell: ggz-kde-games fixed. i'll upload to my server tomorrow.
[11:57] <Riddell> uniq: cool, what was the problem?
[11:58] <uniq> had to add casting for some !='s
[11:58] <uniq> http://artis.imag.fr/Membres/Xavier.Decoret/resources/C++/operator==.html#bigpicture
[11:58] <uniq> something about that :)