[12:08] <philipacamaniac> is it possible to install just Konqueror SVN? or would I need to compile the entire KDE SVN?
[12:09] <philipacamaniac> konqueror in the KDE4 branch seems to be freakin' awesome... it has adblock, and it passes the acid2 test... I NEED to backport it  :)
[12:10] <_Church_of_Foamy> how do i get it?
[12:10] <uniq> hehe.. well.. i would recommend waiting.
[12:10] <philipacamaniac> That's what I'm asking... you'd have to compile it
[12:11] <philipacamaniac> If I didn't mind breaking a system, can I mix Qt3 and Qt4 stuff?
[12:12] <philipacamaniac> Like creating some freak-of-nature mix between the latest 3.4.x source and KDE4 source?
[12:13] <philipacamaniac> ah well, n/m I gotta go anyway... but I'm determined to get these patches into my KDE!
[12:20] <bigbill52a> well..kde, even the newest version kills my xserver...just installed and used konqueror
[12:20] <bigbill52a> testing to see what causes my xserver to crash....
[12:21] <bigbill52a> would there be logs? and how would i access them?
[12:21] <uniq> ~/.xsession-errors
[12:22] <uniq> and /var/log/X*
[12:22] <_Church_of_Foamy> i have a stupid question
[12:23] <bigbill52a> where would i find that log?
[12:23] <_Church_of_Foamy> has anyone ran ubuntu with kde and then switched to just kde and noticed a diffrence in the way things work?
[12:23] <uniq> shoot.
[12:23] <bigbill52a> yeah..it crashes my xserver...that is kde
[12:23] <_Church_of_Foamy> weard
[12:23] <_Church_of_Foamy> i had ubuntu with kde and wine ran just fine as did cedega
[12:24] <_Church_of_Foamy> with kde it dosen't :/
[12:24] <uniq> I've tried both with success.
[12:24] <_Church_of_Foamy> weard
[12:24] <viriatus> how can i install gnome in kubuntu?
[12:25] <Dent> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[12:25] <Dent> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[12:25] <Dent> to be exact
[12:25] <Dent> in a Konsole
[12:25] <viriatus> ok thanks
[12:25] <Dent> or you can use Kynaptic
[12:31] <bigbill52a> now to see if patience crashes my xserver
[12:32] <snowseal_> whats a nice resources monitor program, to see network usage, memory etc?
[12:33] <_Church_of_Foamy> gkrellm
[12:33] <snowseal_> k ty
[12:42] <bigbill52a> patience doesnt seem to crash it
[12:51] <bigbill52a> removed konqueror
[12:52] <othernoob> i just loaded a cue in k3b's burn dvd iso, and it changed the cue/bin into a img. then i went on to burn but it only burned with 2x instead of 4x. is that normal?
[12:59] <kingkwesi> can  any  one help me 
[12:59] <kingkwesi> with this koprtr
[12:59] <kingkwesi> kopete
[01:00] <othernoob> ?
[01:00] <kingkwesi> any  gurus around
[01:00] <kingkwesi> ?
[01:02] <SquishyWaffle> what's wrong?
[01:03] <othernoob> would someone happen to know why i can't copy a few gigs to my fat32 partition? i get an unexpected error sometime during the process
[01:05] <uniq> sounds bad. try to fsck.vfat it.
[01:05] <uniq> unmount it first.
[01:06] <othernoob> it only happened with one 4.4 gb file so far.. right now im copying a 800 mb file with no problems
[01:06] <uniq> 4.4G on fat32? dies it even support that? 
[01:07] <uniq> are you copying TO fat32? 
[01:07] <othernoob> heh..yea
[01:07] <othernoob> yes
[01:07] <uniq> ok.. it desn't support that big files.
[01:08] <othernoob> mmh. interesting.. while i used windows with fat32 partitions i didnt have problems 
[01:08] <uniq> ~4G is max for fat32
[01:10] <othernoob> mmh, why did you ask me then whether im copying to or from a fat32 ?
[01:12] <kay> hello
[01:13] <uniq> othernoob: because if you were copying from it would be weird. :)
[01:13] <uniq> now i see that you wrote 'copy a few gigs to my..'
[01:14] <uniq> but you know.. confirmation
[01:15] <othernoob> but it's still weird that i did have a few files >4gb on windows with fat32..
[01:16] <othernoob> uniq: would you happen to have an answer to my k3b question ?
[01:17] <motaboy> :D :D :D
[01:17] <SquishyWaffle> congrats
[01:21] <motaboy> Night All!
[01:23] <Shuddertrix> membership?
[01:31] <kay> membership?
[02:07] <St0n3-C0l> anyone here...??
[02:36] <max> hey.. i'm having a problem getting packages like flashplayer-mozilla from multiverse
[02:36] <max> i have this in the sources file: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/  hoary multiverse
[02:37] <_Church_of_Foamy> does wine or cedega require anything from ubuntu to run right?
[02:50] <Chislon> when starting up linux it says that there is like a bad file type or something, its a FAT error, is this about the NFTS windows partition?
[02:51] <_Church_of_Foamy> whats the the specific error??
[02:55] <Chislon> i dunno its in the start up so i dont know it all
[02:56] <_Church_of_Foamy> when you start up
[02:56] <Chislon> ?
[02:56] <_Church_of_Foamy> what you want to do is hit the pause key at the error and it will pause the screen
[02:56] <Chislon> oh kool
[02:57] <_Church_of_Foamy> yea it's a little trick i learned lol
[03:20] <Chislon> thank you foamy
[03:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> welcome did it work?
[03:25] <Chislon> i havnt tried yet
[03:25] <Chislon> went afk for a bit
[03:25] <Chislon> do you know how i install the flash plugin from macromedia? i downloaded it from there site but i dont know what to do now
[03:26] <Chislon> how do i unpackage the file?
[03:26] <shiv> I installed 855resolution on my dell 700m now half the screen is occupied by the windows, fonts are too big
[03:27] <monchy> are you using mozilla chislon?
[03:28] <Chislon> monchy, firefox
[03:28] <monchy> sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla should work then
[03:28] <Chislon> monchy, ok thank you... well i already downloaded it
[03:28] <Chislon> its on my desktop
[03:29] <Chislon> ?
[03:30] <monchy> i don't know chislon, i've never done it by downloading from the site before :(
[03:31] <Chislon> ok thank you
[03:31] <_Church_of_Foamy> how to get my soundcard to play more than one sound per program?
[03:31] <Chislon> E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[03:32] <monchy> oh you might need to add repositories
[03:32] <_Church_of_Foamy> anyone know?
[03:32] <monchy> have you seen the ubuntuguide Chislon?
[03:32] <Chislon> which one?
[03:32] <monchy> http://ubuntuguide.org/ that one
[03:33] <Chislon> let me see
[03:34] <Chislon> monchy, i dont htink i have no, thank you
[03:34] <monchy> it has everything, couldn't live without it lol
[03:34] <monchy> your welcome :)
[03:35] <Chislon> lol
[03:35] <Chislon> awesome
[03:35] <Chislon> thank you
[03:36] <shiv> I installed 855resolution on my dell 700m now half the screen is occupied by the windows, fonts are too big, I can decrese those in control center but still the toolbars occupy half the screen
[03:36] <shiv> any help?
[03:44] <_Church_of_Foamy> hey anyone know hwo to troubleshoot sound isshues?
[03:44] <paulproteus> _Church_of_Foamy: NO!
[03:44] <paulproteus> Wrong question.
[03:44] <paulproteus> I came in to see if you would ask the question well. ;)
[03:44] <_Church_of_Foamy> lol
[03:45] <Chislon> sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[03:45] <Chislon> oops
[03:45] <Chislon> NOTE: Please ask your administrator to remove the xpti.dat from the
[03:45] <Chislon>       components directory of the Mozilla or Netscape browser.
[03:45] <Chislon> is wha tit says
[03:45] <Chislon> i searched for xpti.dat
[03:46] <Chislon> there are two compoenent files for firefox with it one is /usr/lib the other is /var/lib?
[03:46] <paulproteus> _Church_of_Foamy wants to run teamspeak and other sound-using programs.  He starts his Kubuntu session by opening teamspeak.  He notices that other programs can't play sounds.
[03:46] <Chislon> which do i dleete
[03:46] <paulproteus> In GNOME/Ubuntu, there is esd to do sound device sharing.  Is there an equivalent in Kubuntu?
[03:46] <paulproteus> If so, how can he use it?
[04:14] <Ghetek> kate hates me (kate crashes with sudo) http://pastebin.com/296872
[04:15] <_Church_of_Foamy> same with me
[04:15] <_Church_of_Foamy> the b1tch
[04:15] <_Church_of_Foamy> lol
[04:15] <_Church_of_Foamy> >.<
[04:15] <Zunino> Hello, there. Would anyone be willing to help me with a couple of fonts-related questions?
[04:15] <Ghetek> ask foamy
[04:15] <Ghetek> hehe
[04:16] <_Church_of_Foamy> hey i don't know nothin 'bout no steenkin foonts 
[04:16] <_Church_of_Foamy> lol
[04:16] <_Church_of_Foamy> i'm just anewb man
[04:16] <_Church_of_Foamy> >.<
[04:16] <Zunino> :)
[04:16] <Ghetek> :-)
[04:16] <Zunino> Does anybody know anything 'bout them fonts?
[04:16] <Ghetek> but seriously, kate?
[04:17] <_Church_of_Foamy> i don't know it's a new error to me
[04:17] <Ghetek> damn
[04:17] <_Church_of_Foamy> i know that if you install ubuntu before you install kde it works fine
[04:17] <_Church_of_Foamy> i think that kubuntu might have some broken stuff in it
[04:18] <Ghetek> damn
[04:18] <monchy> i think it varies on different setups foamy
[04:18] <Ghetek> how do i fix it all?
[04:19] <_Church_of_Foamy> you know i don't know
[04:19] <Ghetek> sudo apt-get everything please...
[04:19] <_Church_of_Foamy> i'm getting ready to install ubuntu and then kubuntu
[04:19] <Ghetek> first install win2k
[04:19] <_Church_of_Foamy> my sound is screwed up kate don't work
[04:19] <_Church_of_Foamy> why?
[04:19] <Ghetek> it finds it soooo easy
[04:19] <Ghetek> its awesome
[04:19] <_Church_of_Foamy> it finds xp easy too
[04:19] <Ghetek> but xp is crap
[04:19] <monchy> there was a way to fix it in gnome
[04:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> so is win2k :P
[04:20] <Ghetek> psh
[04:20] <Ghetek> win2k is stable
[04:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> i know gnome seems to be the better of the 2
[04:20] <Ghetek> xp is a resource hogging...
[04:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> it might be stable man but it still sucks
[04:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> it's microsoft monopoly
[04:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> they charge outrageous amounts of money for the licences
[04:21] <_Church_of_Foamy> and you can never own the software
[04:21] <_Church_of_Foamy> it says so in there EULA
[04:21] <monchy> well lets be honest, i bet half of us haven't paid for a windows OS since either 95 or 2000 lol
[04:21] <_Church_of_Foamy> true
[04:21] <Ghetek> haha
[04:21] <Ghetek> true true
[04:21] <_Church_of_Foamy> but still i'd like to see microsoft crash and burn
[04:21] <monchy> i haven't but that's because your expected to pay out the ass here in canada
[04:22] <_Church_of_Foamy> hell i even got longhorn 6 monthes ago
[04:22] <_Church_of_Foamy> and it's gonna be the worst version of windows ever
[04:22] <closure> _Church_of_Foamy, you got an extreme beta
[04:22] <_Church_of_Foamy> no i got longhorn
[04:22] <closure> _Church_of_Foamy, yeah an extreme beta of longhorn
[04:22] <_Church_of_Foamy> a freind i know works at microsoft poor sap
[04:23] <_Church_of_Foamy> he got me a copy of it
[04:23] <_Church_of_Foamy> weather it's beta i don't know
[04:23] <monchy> it's beta
[04:23] <Funzo> wat is it?
[04:23] <_Church_of_Foamy> windows longhorn
[04:23] <Funzo> oh
[04:23] <closure> yeah it's beta
[04:23] <Funzo> yeah its very beta
[04:23] <monchy> longhorn hasn't even had any RC's
[04:23] <_Church_of_Foamy> RC's?
[04:23] <Funzo> maybe alpha
[04:23] <closure> if you don't know htat then you you don't know much about software in general
[04:23] <monchy> release candidates
[04:23] <Funzo> release candiates
[04:23] <_Church_of_Foamy> oh
[04:24] <_Church_of_Foamy> well he gave to me a cd to borrow
[04:24] <closure> _Church_of_Foamy, that was not intended to be rude just a statement
[04:24] <_Church_of_Foamy> and try it he said he needed it back
[04:24] <Funzo> have you installed it?
[04:24] <_Church_of_Foamy> i diden't think you was rude man no prob ^_^
[04:24] <_Church_of_Foamy> yea it blows
[04:24] <closure> well longhorn will be the best os they've released... if they release it
[04:24] <monchy> is he on the longhorn dev team?
[04:24] <Funzo> I have heard MS was going to limit software ussage on it
[04:24] <_Church_of_Foamy> you wanna copy a cd you can't
[04:24] <closure> not saying it's going to be good though
[04:25] <_Church_of_Foamy> wanna copy a dvd no way in hell
[04:25] <_Church_of_Foamy> you can't even install antivirus on it
[04:25] <_Church_of_Foamy> without the av prog thinking the os is a virus
[04:25] <monchy> lol
[04:25] <monchy> spot on AV
[04:25] <sproingie> wow, beta lacks functionality, tape at 11
[04:25] <_Church_of_Foamy> it requers a high end computer
[04:25] <Funzo> LOL
[04:25] <Funzo> thats why linux pwnz
[04:26] <closure> Funzo, all of the beta releases have extremely limited hardware support and most are focused in a general area of the os as there hasn't been a full version put together
[04:26] <_Church_of_Foamy> i have a dual cpu p4 and it makes it run like a 486dx 66
[04:26] <closure> OSX > linux
[04:26] <sproingie> wow, beta released with debug flags
[04:26] <sproingie> same tape
[04:26] <_Church_of_Foamy> thats why i like linux it just works
[04:26] <Funzo> apple is going intel hehehehe
[04:26] <Funzo> and closure: I know that
[04:26] <closure> Funzo, for real what the hell is that about
[04:26] <_Church_of_Foamy> i don't really understand it to well but i know that i trust it more than i ever did win
[04:26] <Funzo> haha im excited sorry
[04:27] <closure> Funzo,  i can't figure that out at all
[04:27] <closure> Funzo, i don't know what to think of it
[04:27] <sproingie> so what about apple?  how many mac users hack asm?
[04:27] <Funzo> hehe
[04:27] <Funzo> i like it
[04:27] <sproingie> how many would really notice?
[04:27] <_Church_of_Foamy> i actually get angry when someone touches my linuxbox
[04:27] <_Church_of_Foamy> my winbox i don't care
[04:27] <closure> Funzo, i think part of the reason they have such stable comps is they develop their procs
[04:27] <_Church_of_Foamy> burn it for all i care lol
[04:27] <Funzo> dual booting mac OS X and windows and linux will be nice
[04:27] <closure> Funzo, oh it will be crunk
[04:27] <Funzo> why?
[04:27] <Ghetek> my uncle worked at connectix
[04:27] <closure> Funzo, that's for damn sure
[04:27] <_Church_of_Foamy> ohh that would be cool cept for the windows part
[04:28] <Consty> It wont happen funzo, apple has already said that they're going to lock the x86 architecture
[04:28] <Ghetek> and i have all the win2k for mac stuff
[04:28] <closure> Funzo, but i don't think i will be dual booting shiznite when osx is out
[04:28] <Consty> it wont run on your everyday hardware
[04:28] <_Church_of_Foamy> i am so aghenst microsoft it's not funny
[04:28] <Funzo> yeah
[04:28] <Ghetek> ms has good stuff
[04:28] <Funzo> well dont buy their software
[04:28] <Funzo> no they dont
[04:28] <cabajgtr> Why would you want windows if you had a mac?
[04:28] <Funzo> well the apps
[04:28] <Ghetek> cant deny that they own the software industry
[04:28] <closure> bsd plus that window manager is just too cool
[04:28] <Funzo> there are some things that just dont work on a mac
[04:28] <_Church_of_Foamy> they rob people and they put companys outta business
[04:28] <sproingie> it's not like x86 keeps you using PC architecture for everything.  SGI has some mad powerful workstations based on x86
[04:29] <Ghetek> oracle is worse
[04:29] <Ghetek> but nobody targets them
[04:29] <_Church_of_Foamy> and they even told some dude that he coulden't use his name has a url becuase it was to close
[04:29] <Ghetek> to percentage bill gates gives more to charities than anyone else
[04:29] <_Church_of_Foamy> to microsoft
[04:29] <cabajgtr> Hey can anyone help me with a samba problem?
[04:29] <Ghetek> larry ellison doesnt give at all
[04:29] <_Church_of_Foamy> the guys name was mike rowe
[04:29] <Consty> When starting up another x session with the live cd, after I end it using CTRL+ALT+BS I can no longer start up a new session, it just sits there at the x mesh screen and I have to end it.  Any ideas?
[04:29] <monchy> i'll agree with ya there, billy boy is quite generous with his money
[04:30] <_Church_of_Foamy> www.microwe.com was the website
[04:30] <sproingie> your two minutes are up, hate over
[04:30] <_Church_of_Foamy> and they said he was doing a copywright infringement
[04:30] <_Church_of_Foamy> lol
[04:30] <cabajgtr> I can't setup user passwords with smbpasswd
[04:30] <cabajgtr> machine 127.0.0.1 rejected the (anonymous) password change: Error was : Wrong Password.
[04:31] <Consty> damn this is so dumb, why can't I start another x session... grr
[04:31] <sproingie> Consty: i had that happen too ... an update fixed it.  chances are the livecd doesn't have it.  switch to vc1 and run kdm manually
[04:31] <sproingie> Consty: actually kill the existing kdm and restart it manually
[04:31] <Consty> dang, I'm trying to like troubleshoot my oddball widescreen moniter
[04:31] <Consty> you mean the original one sproingie?
[04:32] <sproingie> Consty: original one?  any vc will do
[04:33] <Consty> how do I switch to vc1?
[04:34] <Consty> actually I should rephrase and ask what vc1 is.
[04:36] <closure> ctrl+alt f6-10 *i think*
[04:36] <EvanCarroll> !breezy
[04:36] <Consty> oh well I'll see if I can figure it out
[04:36] <_Church_of_Foamy> ok i'm having a weard sound problem
[04:37] <_Church_of_Foamy> and it's pissing me off
[04:38] <Chislon> foamy it didnt really pause for me
[04:38] <Chislon> so i sitll dont know the whole message
[04:38] <Chislon> something about FAT /usr and stuff
[04:38] <Chislon> its my fat32 drive, it wont work now
[04:38] <_Church_of_Foamy> weard
[04:38] <Chislon> i tried to delete some stuff from it wiht linux
[04:39] <Chislon> that i guess didnt work
[04:39] <_Church_of_Foamy> very weard
[04:39] <Chislon> cuz i just signed into windows and it was still there
[04:39] <_Church_of_Foamy> huh
[04:39] <Chislon> but i dont know how to fix it
[04:39] <Ghetek> !breezy
[04:39] <_Church_of_Foamy> if your using breezy it's broken
[04:39] <_Church_of_Foamy> anyone know how to troubleshoot sound isshues?
[04:40] <crimsun> what sort of sound issues?
[04:40] <_Church_of_Foamy> on my computer only one program can use sound at a time
[04:43] <Ghetek> use arts
[04:44] <Consty> Anyone know the best way to generate a modeline?
[04:44] <crimsun> _Church_of_Foamy: your card doesn't support pcm multiplexing in hardware, then
[04:44] <crimsun> Consty: use gtf.
[04:44] <paulproteus> _Church_of_Foamy: Ghetek gave you a general answer you might not understand.  If you don't, you should use the *specific* version of the question so he can give you a *specific* answer.
[04:45] <Consty> crimsun: Heres the thing with that, even though I put in a refresh rate, it spits me back a horizontal refresh rate that my moniter does not support
[04:45] <Consty> crimsun: it seems like the refresh rate you tell it applies to vertical and horizontal, I need one that can take a parm for both
[04:45] <Consty> crimsun: My lcd is funky, it can only do 50hz horizontal refresh
[04:46] <crimsun> what res?
[04:46] <Consty> 1280x800
[04:46] <Consty> I have one that works, but the flicker is noticable
[04:46] <crimsun> Modeline "1280x800_50.00"  68.56  1280 1336 1472 1664  800 801 804 824  -HSync +Vsync   <-- ?
[04:47] <Consty> 68.56, wouldn't that be < 50hz?
[04:47] <Consty> 70 even comes out to 49.9hz
[04:47] <_Church_of_Foamy> my vid card fell out and froze my box
[04:47] <_Church_of_Foamy> i forgot to put a scew in it >.<
[04:47] <_Church_of_Foamy> what where you saying about sound?
[04:48] <crimsun> Consty: that's the pixel clock
[04:48] <Consty> crimsun: I dont know exactly how the numbers affect the outcome though..  I've been fidgeting with it
[04:48] <Consty> crimsun: Where'd you get that modeline from?
[04:48] <EvanCarroll> gah, I need help i just upgraded to breeze and fonts exploded and now i can't start x, any ideas?
[04:48] <crimsun> sh.nu/nvidia/gtf.php
[04:48] <_Church_of_Foamy> so what where you saying about sound?
[04:48] <crimsun> also try http://delenn.tky.hut.fi/amlc/
[04:49] <_Church_of_Foamy> it's teamspeak thats hogging all my sound
[04:49] <_Church_of_Foamy> it just likes to dominate it for some reason
[04:49] <crimsun> _Church_of_Foamy: arts should help you
[04:49] <_Church_of_Foamy> ok
[04:49] <crimsun> I believe you can artsdsp ts, too
[04:49] <crimsun> (I don't use arts)
[04:50] <_Church_of_Foamy> what is that?
[04:50] <_Church_of_Foamy> artsdsp?
[04:50] <Consty> crimsun: I just tried it and I didn't get the same result as you, unless you put in 50hz instead of 60hz which is what I can do vertically
[04:50] <crimsun> Consty: you said 60
[04:50] <crimsun> err, you said 50
[04:50] <Consty> 50horiz 60vert
[04:50] <crimsun> oh, horiz
[04:50] <Consty> I'll try it though
[04:50] <_Church_of_Foamy> artsdsp?
[04:51] <crimsun> try the other modeline gen
[04:51] <Consty> I know I've tried this modeline before in slack 10.1 and it didn't work
[04:51] <Consty> but maybe x.org supports it now or something, I"ll test it
[04:51] <_Church_of_Foamy> anyone?
[04:52] <_Church_of_Foamy> crimsun whats artsdsp?
[04:52] <crimsun> _Church_of_Foamy: it's a wrapper. See the man page.
[04:53] <_Church_of_Foamy> kubuntu's manual?
[04:53] <Consty> crimsun: Yeah, I tested gtf and that one doesn't work, its so weird.  Whats the other modeline gen app?
[04:53] <crimsun> see above url
[04:53] <crimsun> _Church_of_Foamy: no, artsdsp's man page
[04:54] <_Church_of_Foamy> oh ok
[04:55] <Chislon> how michg i get k/ubuntu to recognize things on my laptop like the volume control, mouse on and off and stuff
[04:56] <Consty> crimsun: dang, no g++ for the live cd? :(
[04:57] <EvanCarroll> Alright, anyone who wants to upgrade to breezy will need to type this, prior to the upgrade or reinstall the font packages after craeting the symlink, this is my solution, others have posted theirs and they typically don't work and aren't as good, 'ln -s /usr/bin/mkfontscale /usr/X11R6/bin/mkfontscale'
[04:57] <crimsun> Consty: install build-essential
[04:58] <Consty> crimsun: will that download stuff?
[04:59] <Consty> crimsun: Dont suppose you could run that utility for me eh?
[04:59] <crimsun> Consty: if you configured apt-get to, yes
[04:59] <Consty> crimsun: well I'm on a live cd right now, and I'm on a slow connection.  It'd be painful
[04:59] <_Church_of_Foamy> ok i understand what artsdsp is but how do i add that to the teamspeak icon in the kbar?
[04:59] <Consty> Trying to get all the configuration issues fixed before I actually install
[05:02] <_Church_of_Foamy> crimsun you there?
[05:02] <crimsun> _Church_of_Foamy: yes, but I don't use KDE
[05:03] <crimsun> _Church_of_Foamy: someone else can help you with KDE-specific issues
[05:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi _Church_of_foamy :)
[05:04] <_Church_of_Foamy> OMG holy shit how are ya man
[05:04] <_Church_of_Foamy> ^_^
[05:04] <slicslak> is there a site for apt-get similar to gentoo-portage.com - which has comments, voting, etc. on all the packages in the repository.
[05:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol back ;)
[05:04] <_Church_of_Foamy> nice
[05:12] <EvanCarroll> Anyone have problems with breezy and WEP
[05:12] <EvanCarroll> what used to work no longer does
[05:18] <dewey> hmmm breezy is a beta so problems happen :)
[05:37] <Consty> Anyone know of a way to find out the specs of a lcd moniter like its pixel clock and such when there is no documentation on line or anything?  Is there a utility to detect it?
[05:42] <_Church_of_Foamy> i would wright the company and ask
[05:46] <Consty> Alright, got my moniter working... man what a pain. :)
[05:47] <Consty> Alright, next problem is my soundcard.  I have a Audigy 2 Value, which apparently has issues with ALSA, however I know it works with ALSA 1.0.8 off of the knoppix live cd.  The kubuntu cd my soundcard doesn't work, any ideas what I could try?
[05:47] <crimsun> "doesn't work?" it should.
[05:47] <Consty> Correct, I get an error saying that its going to point to /dev/null instead of o/dev/dsp
[05:48] <Consty> alsamixer returns a snd_ctl_open failed 
[05:48] <crimsun> lsmod -> pastebin.com
[05:49] <Consty> crimsun: It's pretty crazy how indepth I had to go to get the lcd working.  I found some french site that had a linux modeline that works perfect.  Odd.
[05:49] <Consty> crimsun: What are you looking for in lsmod exactly?  emu10k1 or whatever?
[05:50] <KaiL> emu10k1 or emu10k1x
[05:50] <KaiL> the list at alsa-project.org says, it's emu10k1
[05:50] <Consty> Actually I dont believe alsa lists my exact card.
[05:51] <Consty> They list the Audigy 2 ZS Value
[05:51] <KaiL> http://www.soundblaster.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=204&product=10653 <? :)
[05:51] <KaiL> "Audigy 2 Value", as wanted :)
[05:51] <Consty> Thats the one, but last time I checked the supported cards page on the alsa site it wasn't there.
[05:52] <Consty> And emu10k1 isnt there, nor anything like it.
[05:52] <KaiL> let's see, what "sudo modprobe snd-emu10k1" does
[05:52] <Consty> done, alsamixer still doesn't respond
[05:53] <KaiL> sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[05:53] <KaiL> ...we need to tell the alsa deamon, that there's something new
[05:54] <Consty> lots and lots of invalid card number errors
[05:55] <KaiL> could you put the output to http://pastebin.ca/ ?
[05:55] <Consty> sure
[05:57] <Consty> alright posted
[05:57] <Consty> http://pastebin.ca/13696
[05:57] <Consty> just says no soundcards are found
[05:58] <KaiL> there was no error while loading snd-emu10k1?
[05:58] <Consty> nope
[05:58] <Consty> when you had me do modprobe right?
[05:58] <KaiL> yes
[05:58] <Consty> yeah none
[05:59] <KaiL> you didn't forget the "snd-" prefix?
[05:59] <Consty> nope
[05:59] <Consty> even checked the history
[05:59] <KaiL> and it works with knoppix? which kernel/alsa-Versions do they use?
[06:00] <Consty> 2.6.10 1.0.8 alsa
[06:00] <Consty> same as this
[06:01] <Consty> I'm going by what the site says, I dont have the cd anymore.  Maybe its 1.0.9.
[06:03] <Consty> can you use apt-get to nab the newest alsa driver set?
[06:03] <Consty> using the live cd?
[06:03] <KaiL> nop
[06:03] <Consty> damn
[06:04] <KaiL> alsa is devided into 2 parts - the utils and the kernel modules
[06:06] <Consty> usually if they were built as modules and not built into the kernel I would think you'd be able to update them
[06:06] <Consty> dont need to update the utils
[06:06] <KaiL> but you need to find updated modules ;)
[06:10] <Consty> updating the kernel would do that wouldnt it?
[06:11] <KaiL> how to update the kernel on a live CD? ;)
[06:11] <Consty> this is true
[06:11] <Consty> screwed at every turn :P
[06:12] <KaiL> I wonder, why the module loads
[06:13] <KaiL> normally such modules refuse loading, if they don't find any hardware
[06:15] <Consty> odd
[06:16] <Consty> found the knoppix cd, gunna check alsa versions
[06:17] <KaiL> and look, if they use some other module
[06:30] <Jeezis> is anyone here having a lot of system lockups after upgrading to the 2.6.11 kernel?
[06:31] <KaiL> Jeezis: not anybody, everybody :)
[06:31] <crimsun> are you booting with "noinotify"?
[06:34] <Jeezis> no, should i be?
[06:34] <Jeezis> KaiL: having problems also? :-p
[06:34] <crimsun> well, if you like crashes, go ahead and continue booting without it
[06:34] <crimsun> =)
[06:34] <KaiL> Jeezis: here it did on X-login
[06:35] <KaiL> and several people told me the same
[06:35] <Jeezis> it's odd, i can log in just fine, and run alright, but several times now the cpu load just jumps to 100% and the system locks up
[06:36] <Jeezis> and the only way to get out of it is to do a hard reboot
[06:36] <KaiL> stay with 2.6.10 ;)
[06:37] <Jeezis> yeah, i'm gonna downgrade tonight
[06:37] <Jeezis> had no problems with 2.6.10
[06:37] <KaiL> after that single test, 2.6.11 was forgotten for me ;)
[06:38] <Jeezis> this is so weird! i get spikes where my cpu load goes up to 80%+ and drops immediately
[06:38] <Jeezis> my system monitor looks like it has a heartbeat :-p
[06:39] <crimsun> 2.6.11 from universe has a known "feature" with inotify
[06:40] <crimsun> so you need to boot with "noinotify"
[06:41] <slicslak> has anybody been able to run remote x apps on ubuntu?  i've even dispabled x access control (xhost +) and even still i can't get apps to connect to my ubuntu box.  is there some extra security measure somewhere that i'm not aware of?
[06:43] <abisen> has anybody experiecned crashes in konqueror random and many with default KDE installation
[06:44] <KaiL> abisen: yes, more than enough
[06:44] <abisen> KaiL: any resolutions... i am getting very tired of these errors
[06:44] <abisen> KaiL: is there a bug report registered or the bug identified
[06:45] <KaiL> KDE 3.4.1 seams to be better ;)
[06:45] <abisen> KaiL: is it on the synaptic already
[06:45] <crimsun> slicslak: don't use xhost, it's VERY bad
[06:45] <crimsun> slicslak: if you must, use xauth
[06:45] <KaiL> abisen: deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main
[06:45] <crimsun> slicslak: however, it's much easier: just use ssh -X
[06:49] <slicslak> crimsun, ahh thanks, here i was using ssh -x not X!!
[06:49] <KaiL> the small x disables x-forward ;)
[06:51] <slicslak> doh!  lol
[07:03] <_Church_of_Foamy> my potato has eyes
[07:08] <_Church_of_Foamy> my celery stalks at night
[07:27] <_abisen> d
[07:27] <_abisen> hi kde-3.4.1 is better it seems 
[07:27] <_abisen> as of now
[07:27] <_abisen> :) 
[07:30] <activelow> _abisen: did 3.4.1 install for you ok?
[07:38] <monchy> gotta love kubuntu, screw up your install and it doesn't take long to get back up and running
[07:49] <abisen> okies kde 3.4.1 is lot better (as of now i am yet to discovery any new annoyances )
[07:49] <abisen> thanks for the info
[07:49] <abisen> atleast konqueror is not crashing
[07:49] <monchy> have you been able to upgrade konversation?
[07:50] <abisen> monchy: yes it is also at 3.4.1
[07:50] <monchy> but still 0.16 #3000?
[07:50] <abisen> monchy: yes 0.16 #3000 why is something wrong in this version
[07:51] <monchy> no no, there is just a newer version in the repositories (s?)
[07:51] <monchy> but i can't seem to get it ><
[07:52] <abisen> monchy: i dont need any new versions till my current versions are stable :) 
[07:53] <abisen> monchy: i have had very bad experiences with upgrading to new software versions
[07:53] <monchy> well i don't blame you for being cautious
[07:53] <monchy> the slightest error and *poof*
[07:54] <abisen> monchy: yup :) and it's not the poof i am concerned about it's about the amount of time it takes me aways from somehting constructive :) 
[07:54] <monchy> actually i've noticed that setting everything up again isn't so bad in kubuntu
[07:55] <monchy> about an hour of work give or take which isn't bad compared to windows
[07:55] <abisen> monchy: i even have a plain batch file (script) for getiing all the stuff i want after installing kububtu and making all the links in the right places :D
[07:56] <monchy> oh nice, i like that lol
[07:56] <monchy> brb changing kernels
[08:04] <abisen> can somebody write my nick on the screen i am checking OSD
[08:05] <abisen> can somebody write my nick on the screen i am checking OSD
[08:05] <monchy> abisen
[08:05] <abisen> thanks
[08:05] <abisen> it works
[08:05] <monchy> no worries
[08:06] <Tezkah> abisen!
[08:06] <abisen> Tezkah: It works .. thanks ..
[08:06] <Tezkah> abisen!
[08:06] <Tezkah> =)
[08:06] <abisen> :P
[08:07] <Tezkah> yeah that feature gets annoying after a while
[08:07] <Tezkah> but it is handy
[08:09] <monchy> hah konqueror is kind of nice to use as a browser
[08:09] <Tezkah> monchy: yeah, it's kind of like if IE was any good
[08:09] <Tezkah> on Windows
[08:10] <monchy> it feels alot lighter than firefox, don't know if that's just me or not lol
[08:11] <Tezkah> well it's preloaded with KDE
[08:11] <Tezkah> I found it about the same
[08:18] <derelm> i added the deb line from the topic to my sources.list and upgraded, but why in hell is it pulling stuff like xmms in?
[08:23] <dell500> anyone here know why my computer seems to lag when i have 3d acceleration running.  3d accel works, but i don't get the FPS i should be getting with an ati 9600xt,
[08:24] <Tezkah> dell500: you might want to see what drivers you're using
[08:24] <dell500> fglrx
[08:24] <dell500> not ati
[08:25] <Tezkah> yeah beyond that, I have no idea
[08:25] <dell500> k lol
[08:25] <monchy> did you follow jesus francos guide?
[08:26] <dell500> don't know
[08:26] <monchy> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495&highlight=ati
[08:27] <dell500> i've been tryin to tweak it now for dual monitors
[08:31] <dell500> how might you check what version of ati drivers are installed??
[08:34] <KaiL> 9600XT? how many fps do you get?
[08:34] <KaiL> should be around 3000 imho
[08:34] <dell500> crappy
[08:35] <dell500> i've hooked up my other monitor so it might be that taking up the power
[08:35] <KaiL> how many is "crappy"? ;)
[08:35] <KaiL> <500? Then it's still in software mode
[08:36] <dell500> but whenever i wake up my computer (from the opengl screen saver) it stalls for about 20 minutes till it gets back to the desktop, usually skewed in some way
[08:36] <dell500> way less than 500
[08:36] <dell500> well maybe like 400
[08:36] <dell500> software mode??
[08:36] <KaiL> ok, software.
[08:36] <monchy> mesagl or something
[08:36] <KaiL> so the fglrx is never used
[08:36] <dell500> no, it's the fglrx drivers
[08:36] <dell500> it's in my conf
[08:37] <KaiL> it's installed, but it isn't used.
[08:37] <KaiL> /var/log/Xorg.0.log *might* say, why
[08:37] <dell500> so, when i edit my xorg.conf from driver "ati" to "fglrx" that's not right?
[08:38] <KaiL> it is.
[08:38] <KaiL> did you also add fglrx to /etc/modules?
[08:38] <dell500> i think so
[08:38] <dell500> i used the binary how to
[08:38] <KaiL> ..and did a "modprobe fglrx" (or reboot ;)
[08:38] <dell500> on wiki
[08:38] <dell500> both
[08:41] <dell500> KaiL, what kind of error(s) should i be looking for in the log?
[08:42] <dell500> (II) fglrx(0): Acceleration enabled
[08:42] <KaiL> hmm
[08:43] <dell500> (II) fglrx(0): Direct rendering enabled
[08:43] <KaiL> huh?
[08:43] <KaiL> glxinfo | grep direct - is it enabled there too?
[08:44] <dell500> yessum
[08:44] <KaiL> lol?
[08:44] <dell500> i've been reading a lot about the kernel drivers or something
[08:44] <dell500> needing to be installed
[08:45] <dell500> linux-restricted-modules-<your-kernel-version>  <- that
[08:45] <monchy> ah yes
[08:45] <KaiL> should be installed, else you won't get "(II) fglrx(0): Direct rendering enabled"
[08:45] <dell500> also, what does the Device section, Option "backingstore" "true" mean
[08:45] <dell500> aw ok
[08:46] <sproingie> look in /lib/modules/<version>/kernel/driver/video and delete nvidia.ko
[08:46] <sproingie> it interferes with fglrx
[08:46] <kameron> w00t, fresh kubuntu install.
[08:46] <KaiL> sproingie: ?
[08:47] <kameron> is there a default root password? i don't think i set it during installation.
[08:47] <sproingie> KaiL: i wasn't getting accelleration in fglrx til i deleted that module
[08:47] <KaiL> as it's not loaded, it can't interfer with anything else ;)
[08:47] <sproingie> kameron: there is no root password.  it's all sudo
[08:47] <kameron> so, i cannot log on as root?
[08:47] <sproingie> kameron: not out of the box
[08:48] <sproingie> sudo su -
[08:48] <kameron> hmm, okay.
[08:48] <kameron> when i hit sudo, it asks for a password still...
[08:49] <dell500> looked at the log, and it's not loaded
[08:49] <dell500> i'm guessing
[08:49] <sproingie> kameron: enter *your* password
[08:49] <kameron> oh.
[08:50] <kameron> i'd love to dive in to installing drivers, configuring apt-get, etc.. but i gotta go to bed after this fresh install.
[08:50] <dell500> lol
[08:50] <kameron> cleanest looking out-of-box desktop i've seen to date, though. really nice.
[08:51] <dell500> so how do i try and diagnos my sick video card?? :(
[08:52] <KaiL> glxinfo | grep direct - is it enabled there?
[08:52] <dell500> yup
[08:52] <KaiL> hmm
[08:52] <KaiL> so eigher the card isn't faster *g*
[08:53] <monchy> good night people
[08:53] <KaiL> or there's something sucking performance
[08:56] <sproingie> what sorta fps you getting on fgl_glxgears?
[09:09] <dell500> 215 sproingie 
[09:10] <dell500> a steady 950ish on glxgears, not the best i've had though
[09:11] <dell500> ya, my CPU resources at 100%
[09:11] <dell500> which shouldn't be like that
[09:12] <KaiL> that's why I have a 9250 - for that you can get a free driver, which works ;)
[09:12] <dell500> nm, it was kaffiene
[09:12] <KaiL> maybe all better after closing/killing kaffeine?
[09:16] <dell500> yessum
[09:16] <dell500> got rid of it
[09:17] <dell500> what should i be getting in fgl_glxgears
[09:18] <KaiL> try normal glxgears
[09:18] <KaiL> there I know some numbers ;)
[09:19] <dell500> 1750
[09:19] <dell500> 2187
[09:20] <KaiL> looks better
[09:20] <dell500> 2250
[09:20] <KaiL> very show CPU?
[09:20] <dell500> i got like 9000 one time
[09:20] <KaiL> slow..
[09:20] <dell500> nope
[09:20] <dell500> athlon 2800xp
[09:20] <dell500> gig of ram as well
[09:20] <KaiL> Sempron 3100+ here and an ATI Radeon 9250 
[09:21] <KaiL> ...2200 fps in glxgears :)
[09:21] <dell500> k, that's good then
[09:21] <dell500> i wonder why the screen saver locks up
[09:22] <sproingie> 2200 fps?  whoah
[09:22] <sproingie> small window perhaps?
[09:22] <KaiL> no, but EnablePageFlip ;)
[09:22] <sproingie> i get ~350 fps on a radeon 9800 pro
[09:23] <sproingie> where's EnablePageFlip set?
[09:23] <dell500> Device
[09:23] <dell500> i just saw that somewhere
[09:23] <dell500> shizzle
[09:23] <KaiL> sproingie: then you sould install the fglrx driver.
[09:24] <sproingie> it is installed
[09:24] <KaiL> but not active.
[09:24] <sproingie> says direct rendering is enabled
[09:24] <KaiL> glxinfo says that?
[09:24] <sproingie> chuck@tetsuo:~/proj/factor$ glxinfo | grep direct
[09:24] <sproingie> direct rendering: Yes
[09:25] <KaiL> lol?
[09:25] <dell500> what's the option for Enable PageFlip
[09:25] <dell500> Option "EnablePageFlip" "true" ??
[09:25] <sproingie> not even present
[09:25] <KaiL> an Option for the free Radeon driver only
[09:25] <KaiL> to make that a LOT faster ;)
[09:26] <dell500> not fglrx??
[09:26] <KaiL> nop
[09:26] <KaiL> I have no fglrx-driven card here
[09:26] <sproingie> oddly, i get about 3500 fps with normal glxgears
[09:26] <KaiL> ..and I don't thtnk about getting one, after reading about all this problems ;)
[09:26] <KaiL> sproingie: that's ok then
[09:27] <KaiL> fgl_glxgears IS a lot slower, maybe because it's some more complicate drawing, I don't know
[09:27] <sproingie> it's busier
[09:27] <dell500> oh well, i gotta go, bed time, and i gotta drive to bonnaroo tomorrow
[09:27] <dell500> peace
[09:28] <KaiL> I don't even know, why ATI created this "fgl_glxgears"
[09:28] <oniryx> morning!
[09:28] <sproingie> probably to have something busier than glxgears
[09:29] <sproingie> also since it comes with the driver, and glxgears isn't guaranteed to be installed
[09:29] <knoppix> i tried to reboot from kubuntu to windows.. and when i first booted to kubuntu, i had a list of choices to boot to. this time, i was dropped in a "grub shell"
[09:29] <knoppix> so i typed a bunch of options, got nowhere, and rebooted.. then grub said "Error 5"
[09:30] <knoppix> now i'm on knoppix, hoping i can repair grub, or install lilo, which i much more prefer.
[09:30] <sproingie> why on earth would anyone prefer lilo?
[09:31] <sproingie> grub can actually read a filesystem and doesn't have to be rerun
[09:31] <knoppix> for the pretty graphical interface. and, i'm more farmiliar with editing it, as i know nothing of grub.
[09:31] <KaiL> the good with grub: you don't need to know anything
[09:31] <KaiL> install it and forget, that it exists :)
[09:32] <sproingie> whereas with lilo, forget to re-run it with a new kernel, and boom
[09:32] <knoppix> where is grubs config file?
[09:32] <sproingie>  /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:33] <saibear> hey all i am new to Kubuntu and linux so i am not the best by far on anything yet but i am wondering if any one in here is useing it on laptops and how there luck is i am haveing trouble with mine 
[09:34] <KaiL> saibear: sometimes better than Windows XP :)
[09:34] <KaiL> what kind of trouble?
[09:36] <saibear> well any time i try to get xmms to work it freezes up on me 
[09:37] <knoppix> probably the sound wrapper.
[09:37] <saibear> and i have no clue just yet what i am doing heheh
[09:37] <saibear> how do i go about fixing it 
[09:37] <KaiL> you need to install xmms-arts if you are under KDE and acivate the arts-output in xmms.
[09:37] <saibear> ok 
[09:38] <saibear> not to be to big of a pain but how do i do it 
[09:38] <saibear> i am new to this 
[09:39] <kameron> under knoppix, i'm trying to mount my second hard drive, so i can edit the grub file...
[09:39] <KaiL> btw. why don't you use amarok? :)
[09:39] <kameron> mount /dev/hdb /mnt/hdb -t ext3 --- complains that it's the wrong filesystem. what filesystem is kubuntu by default? i didn't change it.
[09:40] <saibear> i guess i could i just know that is what my friend uses and i am trying to learn how to fix stuff on here so i wanted to ask 
[09:40] <KaiL> kameron: the partition number is missing
[09:41] <kameron> what is the partition number, and how do i put that in as an argument to mount?
[09:41] <pd_> Hi ppl
[09:41] <pd_> Does anybody know the equivalen of terminal server on windows in linux
[09:41] <saibear> the other problem i am haveing is when i download limewire and install it when i open it i get missing gcc and i know gcc is there
[09:41] <KaiL> first you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list - there are 2 lines with "universe" at the end. Rebove the # in front of them
[09:41] <kameron> pd_: www.ltsp.org
[09:41] <pd_> thanx kameron 
[09:42] <KaiL> saibear: then do apt-get update and apt-get install xmms-arts
[09:42] <kameron> Kail: ^^
[09:42] <KaiL> ...all as root (means: might need sudo in front of the command)
[09:43] <KaiL> kameron: /dev/hdb is the disk, /dev/hdb1 (or whichever number) is the partition ;)
[09:43] <kameron> oh, that's what you meant. i'm just dull tonight.
[09:43] <saibear> thank you
[09:44] <KaiL> hot idea: sleep at nights, work on days! :)
[09:44] <kameron> Kail: mount: /dev/hdb1 is not a valid block device
[09:45] <KaiL> fdisk -l /dev/hdb will give you the list
[09:48] <kameron> fdisk -l says: Disk /dev/hdb doesn't contain a valid partition table
[09:48] <KaiL> a) are you shure, it's hdb?
[09:48] <KaiL> b) do you have important data on that disk? ;)
[09:49] <kameron> it's on the primary chain, as slave. nothing important on the disk, just a fresh kubuntu install.
[09:50] <KaiL> then think about visiting your next PC shop
[09:50] <KaiL> ...for a new disk
[09:50] <kameron> hah, no, it's a good disk.
[09:50] <KaiL> partition tables don't just disappear normally ;)
[09:51] <kameron> i don't know what it is, but it's not the disk. just having troubles mountint it in knoppix.
[10:12] <kameron> okay, so.. i did a fresh install of kubuntu, again, and i get dropped to a grub, bash like shell.. how do i boot to an  OS from that? i'm not farmiliar with grub.
[10:14] <kameron> KaiL: any ideas?
[10:45] <bobbyd> kameron: use goole :)
[10:45] <bobbyd> a/goole/google
[10:46] <kameron> okay.
[10:47] <bobbyd> kameron: because I don't know :)
[10:47] <kameron> :P
[10:58] <dreumah> anyone know how i get amarok to play WMA firls
[10:58] <dreumah> files
[10:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> have you got the extra codecs?
[11:13] <e-guru> does anybody know if there is a way to run vbasic scripts properly while browsing with ubuntu?
[11:16] <dreumah> where do i get thee codecs from?
[11:17] <Kaiser_essen> its called the malirat repositries.. they are metioned in ubuntuguide.... just a tic
[11:17] <dreumah> the codecs?
[11:18] <gdh> apt-get install w32codecs
[11:18] <gdh> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[11:19] <Kaiser_essen> thats them :)
[11:19] <gdh> just say 'yes' when it cries about no key / authentication.
[11:22] <hanseatic> hi... im trying to modify my language support for the cli's on tty1-6 to a german charset... how would i do that?
[11:22] <hanseatic> the language support is installed, and running in kde
[11:23] <dreumah> it says package is not available after i added the new source
[11:24] <gdh> did you apt-get update ?
[11:26] <dreumah> yeah
[11:26] <dreumah> dont work
[11:27] <gdh> did you get this error? W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[11:29] <dreumah> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[11:30] <gdh> hm, I didn't type 'amd64' in the line I pasted.
[11:30] <gdh> so if you just assumed it would exist, you assumed wrongly :)
[11:30] <dreumah> alright
[11:30] <dreumah> so then--- what do i do?
[11:31] <gdh> use the line as I pasted above
[11:31] <dreumah> i have actually
[11:32] <dreumah> i didnt add amd64
[11:32] <gdh> sp00k :/
[11:32] <gdh> I have no suggestions then :)
[11:34] <dreumah> damn, well thanks anyways... i have anothre media related problem--- my mplayer doesnt go fullscreen and my xine doesnt start at all... and ideas why that is?
[11:34] <gdh> I don't play videos  :)
[11:36] <dreumah> damn again
[11:37] <thoreauputic> dreumah: try gmplayer -zoom
[11:38] <thoreauputic> or mplayer -zoom or whatever
[11:38] <gdh> I have video probs of my own, the i810 driver only works at 640x480 so I have to use the 'vesa' xorg driver :/
[11:38] <dreumah> thats what i am using
[11:39] <KaiL> gdh: why that?
[11:39] <KaiL> is it this silly intel-AGP-Card version?
[11:39] <gdh> KaiL: If I know, I'd probably know the answer :) 
[11:39] <gdh> KaiL: No, onboard on a new Dell Dimension 3000 desktop
[11:39] <thoreauputic> dreumah: when you start xine from a terminal, does it give you error messages?
[11:39] <gdh> 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82865G Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[11:40] <dreumah> no error message
[11:40] <dreumah> and it actually stays up
[11:40] <slow-motion> hello
[11:40] <KaiL> gdh: could you try witzh the i810 and show me /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[11:40] <thoreauputic> dreumah: so xine is working at least...
[11:41] <gdh> KaiL: I knew I should've saved one of them... :)
[11:41] <KaiL> lol
[11:41] <gdh> at least now I have an audience... bbiab =)
[11:45] <dreumah> ok i just fullscreened xine and now it wont go away unless i shut it off with system monitor
[11:47] <thoreauputic> dreumah: uh - did you try the <esc> key or the "f" key?
[11:48] <dreumah> doesnt work
[11:49] <dreumah> i had to just now kill the process because ending it wouldnt work
[11:49] <thoreauputic> dreumah: well, pressing "f" with xine fullscreened takes it back to normal size here
[11:50] <thoreauputic> so I don't know what the problem is
[11:50] <dreumah> well it never went back to normal size
[11:50] <dreumah> things started going wrong since i intalled and set up chroot
[11:51] <snowseal_> i got glx and GLX settings in Xorg. shoult this be the same driver?
[11:51] <thoreauputic> dreumah: ar you on 64bit ?
[11:51] <dreumah> yeah
[11:51] <dreumah> amd4
[11:51] <dreumah> 64
[11:51] <thoreauputic> dreumah: ah, i see
[11:51] <dreumah> sadly not FX
[11:51] <thoreauputic> dreumah: I can't help then
[11:51] <thoreauputic> dreumah: I know nothing about it
[11:52] <dreumah> hmmm no worries... 
[11:52] <dreumah> once again i hate being special, em... do you know if i could install kubuntu i386 on my amd64 because that would save me a lot of hastling i think
[11:53] <thoreauputic> dreumah: you can do that, yes
[11:53] <dreumah> hmmm something i need to think about
[11:54] <dreumah> anyways, safe for the input
[11:56] <gdh> KaiL: and here we are... http://bum.net/
[11:56] <gdh> I've set the framebuffer to 8MB in the BIOS (the only other option is 1MB, which isn't enough to support 1280x1024)
[12:02] <KaiL> gdh: could you try i810 with 16bit?
[12:03] <gdh> Was hoping to avoid that because if it works I might just put up with it :)
[12:03] <gdh> will try when I come to another natural pause :)
[12:04] <KaiL> "natural pause"?
[12:05] <gdh> Am at work, so some of the time I do have to do work ;)
[12:05] <KaiL> ah
[12:05] <gdh> I'd much rather play with settings, tho :)
[12:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> are you playing with the i810 onboard video?
[12:06] <KaiL> yes
[12:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah. 
[12:06] <gdh> that doesn't sound at all good. :)
[12:06] <KaiL> Kamping_Kaiser: also problems?
[12:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. oh, i helped someone set up a pci card to replace that thing, and the onboard wouldent disable :S
[12:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> so i have worked with it, but not this way
[12:07] <gdh> Well I've had that problem with Dells before, yeh..
[12:07] <gdh> this is a work machine so I can't really justify installing a fast 3D card in it ;)
[12:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh ;) he only put in a slow 3d, but still 
[12:08] <gdh> I think Dell must be single-handedly responsible for keeping the PCI video card market alive
[12:08] <KaiL> lol
[12:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> not quite,  ;)
[12:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> HP want to share the glory
[12:08] <KaiL> Dell are experts to make total normal hardware extremely incompatible
[12:09] <gdh> they do cheapo PCI-only desktops, too?
[12:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> kail. so are compaq
[12:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> gdh used to, not so sure about now
[12:09] <KaiL> Kamping_Kaiser: they didn't even use normal hardware ;)
[12:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[12:17] <KaiL> aha, here is the fix for intel i810 problems!
[12:17] <KaiL> HorizSync 31-80
[12:17] <KaiL> VertRefresh 56-75
[12:17] <KaiL> gdh: add that two lines in the Section "Monitor" :)
[12:18] <gdh> Hm, so the DDC info that the i810 driver extracts is inadequate?
[12:18] <gdh> But, yes I'll try that of course :)
[12:18] <KaiL> looks like the i810 doesn't like DDC
[12:18] <gdh> It does tho - I can see from the log it extracts the monitor brand/model/ physical size / calculates the right DPI, etc :/
[12:19] <gdh> xorg-i810.txt:(II) I810(0): Monitor name: DELL E173FP
[12:19] <gdh> xorg-vesa.txt:(II) VESA(0): Monitor name: DELL E173FP
[12:19] <KaiL> yes, but it seams to be to stupid to use that info too ;)
[12:19] <KaiL> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/printthread.php?t=30235&pp=40
[12:19] <gdh> might log this as a bug and 'see what happens'
[12:20] <gdh> Well done for finding that, incidentally
[12:20] <gdh> my google search terms mustn't have been very good =)
[12:20] <gdh> ahhh
[12:20] <gdh> already known and to-be-fixed
[12:24] <gdh> hurrah! :) 
[12:24] <KaiL> ?
[12:24] <KaiL> :)
[12:24] <prasys> ?
[12:24] <prasys> :D
[12:24] <gdh> xvinfo goodness
[12:25] <KaiL> and 700fps in glxgears possible :)
[12:25] <gdh> wow, am surprised such a shitty onboard card has even that level of 3d accel
[12:26] <KaiL> what?
[12:26] <prasys> wow
[12:26] <prasys> yep
[12:26] <prasys> kubuntu makes use of shitty 3d onboard gfx
[12:26] <KaiL> you know, that it's the same level as a Matrox G550? ;)
[12:27] <gdh> Matrox make very good 2D cards... :)
[12:27] <KaiL> _2_D
[12:27] <gdh> yes exactly :)
[12:27] <KaiL> their 3D performance is not worth mentioning
[12:27] <gdh> my home machine still uses an old Mystique 220 PCI
[12:28] <gdh> but 3D is awful... leave that to ati / nvidia
[12:28] <prasys> ATI Readon 9200 rocks (mac)
[12:28] <prasys> ah..kubuntu works great
[12:28] <gdh> wow, even the rss-glx savers work well on this. I am impressed
[12:29] <KaiL> rss-glx?
[12:29] <gdh> apt-get install it - lovely lovely 3d screensavers
[12:29] <gdh> I could sit and watch them all day
[12:29] <gdh> http://www.reallyslick.com/
[12:30] <KaiL> that perverts the idea of a screensaver, but it looks good
[12:31] <gdh> hm they work when I run them directly e.g. /usr/lib/xscreensaver/helios  but not when I press 'test' in the Configure Desktop screensaver list..
[12:31] <gdh> ah well - lovely eye candy ...
[12:37] <KaiL> only the "hyperspace" seams to be missing
[12:37] <gdh> yeh that's a new one
[12:37] <gdh> I'd not seen it before
[12:38] <gdh> might install tuxracer for a laugh :)
[12:38] <gdh> well it runs and the menus are smooth ...
[12:38] <gdh> will try at lunch
[12:44] <prasys> wow..its kaiser
[12:44] <prasys> hey kaiser
[12:44] <prasys> i think i have met you somewhere..
[12:46] <prasys> http://xenia.media.mit.edu/~peretti/gnumobile/ <-- anyone took a look
[12:55] <Wolvy>  /msg nickserv link Wolvy katia5t
[12:58] <othernoob> hey, my screen res changed to 640*480 in kde, even though i did nothing but reboot. how can i change it back ?
[01:04] <gdh> othernoob:  novel :)
[01:04] <gdh> othernoob: what gfx card is it using?
[01:04] <othernoob> ati radeon 9800 pro 256mb ddr
[01:04] <othernoob> novel ?
[01:05] <gdh> yeh, we'd just been discussing '640x480 only' just befroe you joined
[01:05] <othernoob> ooh
[01:05] <othernoob> perfect timing heh
[01:05] <gdh> I know nothing about modern gfxcards...
[01:05] <gdh> Are you using the xorg built-in driver, or the ATI non-free one?
[01:05] <othernoob> i used to be able to set it up to 1920*1440.but now i can only choose 640*480
[01:05] <othernoob> xorg
[01:06] <gdh> can you try to set the Driver line in xorg.conf to 'vesa' instead of ati (or whatever it's currently set to)
[01:06] <othernoob> i assume you mean /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[01:07] <gdh> yep
[01:07] <gdh> and then just ctrl-alt-backspace to force X to restart.
[01:08] <othernoob> where would that line be ? it's kinda difficult finding it on this huge res.. but ive seen that my monitor res didnt change in that file
[01:09] <othernoob> mmh. found it
[01:10] <lesshaste> gdh, that's rather violent way of stopping X!!
[01:10] <gdh> lesshaste: Yep, but darned effective :)
[01:10] <gdh> you know absolutely  X will be no longer running
[01:11] <gdh> and that there will be no 'will it / won't it' if you just 'log off' ..
[01:11] <gdh> i.e. does it truly restart, or a more warm 'reload'
[01:11] <lesshaste> gdh, right but it would be nice to shut down all apps first!
[01:11] <lesshaste> gdh, an instruction you didn't give :)
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[01:11] <othernoob> ok, at least the screen is back to 1280*1024
[01:12] <gdh> cool...
[01:12] <lesshaste> othernoob, be careful what advice you follow :)
[01:12] <othernoob> but even though the refresh rate is at 86 hz it definitely doesnt look like 86hz
[01:12] <gdh> My X troubleshooting skills are Not Good - I'm not sure what to suggest next :)
[01:13] <lesshaste> othernoob, if you are editing xorg.cof then #xorg is your friend :)
[01:13] <lesshaste> othernoob, what card is it?
[01:13] <gdh> [12:04]  <othernoob> ati radeon 9800 pro 256mb ddr
[01:13] <othernoob> ati radeon 9800 pro 256mb ddr
[01:13] <othernoob> lol thx
[01:13] <gdh> :)
[01:13] <lesshaste> then #ati
[01:14] <othernoob> yea but, why did it even change ?
[01:14] <othernoob> i mean, i didnt do anything that could cause this.
[01:14] <othernoob> at least nothing obvious..
[01:15] <lesshaste> no updates of anything?
[01:15] <lesshaste> no automatic updates?
[01:15] <othernoob> lesshaste: yesterday i just uninstalled amule and installed xmule.. nothing else
[01:15] <lesshaste> s/a/x
[01:15] <lesshaste> a famous move :)
[01:16] <othernoob> lol well, today i was going to uninstall xmule as well ;)
[01:16] <lesshaste> no good?
[01:16] <othernoob> can't get what i want
[01:16] <lesshaste> I find ?mule to be unbelievably slow
[01:17] <lesshaste> there is apollon which is good
[01:17] <lesshaste> not for really big files though
[01:17] <lesshaste> (i.e. 600MB)
[01:18] <othernoob> the whole edonkey/overnet network is slow..
[01:20] <lesshaste> yep
[01:20] <lesshaste> bittorrent was good
[01:20] <lesshaste> until it was killed
[01:20] <scanwinder> what dev name does ubuntu give tv tuners?.......scantv is defaulting to /dev/vbi
[01:20] <dreumah> anyone able to install the 3.2 kvirc?
[01:21] <othernoob> lesshaste bittorrent was only good for new releases..
[01:21] <scanwinder> are tv tuners /dev/video0?
[01:41] <othernoob> heh..weird..
[01:42] <othernoob> i changed the xorg.conf back to ati. and wanted to install the official ati drivers. which didnt work. just rebooted again and the res and everything is back to what it used to be
[02:27] <gdh> othernoob: perfect :)
[02:27] <gdh> othernoob: aren't computers great? :)
[02:33] <Trackilizer> hey guys need some help
[02:33] <Trackilizer> using linux for the first time and its great
[02:34] <Trackilizer> im using Kubuntu but i want to try Gnome
[02:34] <Trackilizer> is that possible?
[02:34] <Trackilizer> can i choose wither KDE or Gnome on start up?
[02:34] <Trackilizer> either*
[02:34] <gdh> should just be a matter of installing gnome-desktop
[02:34] <astro76> Trackilizer: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:35] <gdh> ah, am thinking debian =)
[02:35] <Trackilizer> ahh
[02:35] <gdh> yes, you can choose the session type from either kdm or gdm
[02:35] <Trackilizer> and how do i switch between the 2?
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> and then on start up, click sesion
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> and choose one
[02:35] <Trackilizer> i see
[02:35] <Trackilizer> so its apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
[02:36] <Firetech> you probably want to prefix it with sudo
[02:36] <Trackilizer> yeah okay
[02:36] <Trackilizer> thanks alot guys
[02:36] <Firetech> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:36] <Trackilizer> okie
[02:36] <Trackilizer> again thanks alot
[02:36] <Trackilizer> bye
[03:19] <juanjoc> I guess this question has been asked a zillion times, but I'm new to the channel. Does anybody know if the KDE 3.4.1 packages for Hoary/AMD64 are available somewhere?
[03:41] <Chameleon22> anyone from USA here (stupid question) ... has Anthony Mandiene had his fight yet 
[03:41] <Chameleon22> ?
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. full on linux ;)
[03:42] <Chameleon22> o0
[04:11] <slow-motion> hello
[04:19] <Riddell> hello slow-motion 
[05:02] <_casper> Are there any other sound engines than aRts for KDE?
[05:04] <gdh> sure, none at all :)
[05:04] <_casper> there aren't?
[05:04] <gdh> no, I mean, your alternative is 'don't use a sound engine'
[05:04] <gdh> i.e. let your apps talk to OSS or Alsa directly
[05:05] <_casper> hmm w/ killall artsd?
[05:06] <gdh> well, that would do it, but it'll only come back again
[05:06] <gdh> control center -> sound + multimedia -< sound system -> 
[05:06] <gdh> then uncheck 'enablet he sound system'
[05:07] <_casper> ye
[05:08] <_casper> hmm you know the command to install gstreamer?
[05:09] <_casper> it won't play w/o any enigine
[05:09] <_casper> engine*
[05:09] <gdh> I know nothing about gstreamer
[05:09] <_casper> kk
[05:09] <gdh> does apt-get install gstreamer not do it?
[05:09] <_casper> nope, can't find package gstreamer
[05:20] <firasR> _casper:  try running apt-cache search gstreamer
[05:21] <firasR> _casper:  there's no package named gstreamer, some are gstreamer0.8-* or libgstreamer*
[05:22] <_casper> firasR: k, i'll try that thx
[05:24] <firasR> _casper:  ur welcome
[05:26] <firasR> does anyone use KDevelop3 for C programming here ?
[05:27] <firasR> I just want to know if there's anyway to compile & run a single c program/file from within KDevelop without using the built-in terminal or an external terminal
[05:34] <_casper> hehe, fixed the problem by going xmms instead of JuK, thx everybody for the help :)
[05:36] <error403> just wondering, is there a skin for any of the linux media players that can do what the MMD3 skin on WinAmp does?
[05:37] <_casper> check xmms, that's probably most likely to have a skin like that
[05:47] <slow-motion> bye
[05:59] <angelo> hello
[05:59] <bhna> hi
[06:02] <angelo> does anyone know how i can search for a program in kynaptic
[06:02] <angelo> with synaptic on ubuntu i could
[06:07] <bhna> edit -> find or CTRL+F
[06:07] <angelo> kool thx
[06:15] <slicslak> error403, check also beep-media-player.  it's based on xxms but has support for more complex skins
[06:16] <error403> cool
[06:16] <error403> is it in apt-get repos?
[06:17] <error403> looks like it
[06:17] <error403> :D
[06:19] <angelo> Crimsun?
[06:19] <angelo> you here
[06:26] <angelo> hey does anyone know who i can contact if i want to help the ubuntu or kubuntu project
[06:32] <slicslak> gedit is frozen on me.  i can't believe this.  anyone had this happen before?
[06:33] <Tezkah> slicslak: the only problem I've had with GTK apps is when I have them using KDE's theme
[06:34] <slicslak> i wondered why it was the same color as my kde apps.  i didn't even realize that was possible.  Tezkah, where is that configured?
[06:41] <Tezkah> slicslak: in kcontrol, if you have the GTK style config thing installed
[06:41] <Tezkah> it should be under appearances
[06:46] <drx> Hi i just installed kubuntu and installed firefox, I noticed firefox uses gnome, how can i configure gnome from kde ?
[06:47] <uniq> the looks? 
[06:47] <angelo> hey im tring to install wine on kubuntu but its not on kynaptic
[06:48] <uniq> drx: enable universe (http://ubuntuguide.org#extrarepositories) and install the package 'gtk2-engines-gtk-qt'
[06:49] <uniq> angelo: go to http://ubuntuguide.org#extrarepositories and do as explained. then you'll get more packages to choose from.. among them wine.
[06:49] <uniq> (use kwrite instead of gedit as stated in the guide)
[06:49] <angelo> will they work on 64 bit too?
[06:50] <drx> ok thanks
[06:50] <angelo> (i have 2 pcs 1 is 32 and the  other is 64)
[06:50] <uniq> don't think wine on 64bit works at all?
[06:50] <angelo> well i mean in general
[06:50] <uniq> try.
[06:50] <angelo> like k3d ece
[06:51] <angelo> ok thx
[06:51] <uniq> k3b?
[06:51] <angelo> yeah
[06:51] <angelo>  kant find it for 64amd
[06:51] <uniq> most linux software will work on 64bit yes.
[06:52] <angelo> kool thx i'll try
[06:52] <uniq> including k3b..i used that when i had an amd64.
[06:52] <angelo> oh kool
[06:52] <CellarDoor> hi
[06:52] <angelo> you work with 3d?
[06:53] <angelo> uniq?
[06:53] <CellarDoor> anyone here know much about telnet ?
[06:54] <uniq> angelo: k3b is a cdrecording software.. I don't do 3d.. i do text :)
[06:55] <uniq> haven't used 'k3d', no.
[06:55] <angelo> i meant k3d :)
[06:55] <CellarDoor> I have 3ddesktop switcher :P
[06:55] <uniq> yeah, i figured that out now :)
[06:55] <StR> Hi all
[06:55] <CellarDoor> hi
[06:55] <swarm> does kubuntu come with its default gnome gui near kde or just replace kde at all?
[06:55] <uniq> hi.
[06:55] <CellarDoor> kde
[06:55] <CellarDoor> only kde
[06:56] <uniq> swarm: all kde by default.. you can always download and instaall gnome-apps later.
[06:56] <swarm> or I can install kde from ubuntu?
[06:56] <CellarDoor> does anyone know how I can make my telnet port invisinble ?
[06:56] <CellarDoor> swarm, yes you can
[06:57] <StR> swarm: you can install kde from ubuntu, yes
[06:57] <StR> CellarDoor: telnet port invisible?
[06:57] <StR> CellarDoor: you mean, block telnet conections?
[06:57] <CellarDoor> Well its blocked but I'd rather it not respond at all
[06:57] <CellarDoor> Can I do that ?
[06:58] <StR> CellarDoor: stop the service
[06:58] <CellarDoor> just kill telnet ?
[06:58] <swarm> so why kubuntu? to have a clean kde install on a clean ubuntu install. So installing gnome on kubuntu is not trivial as it should'nt be installing kde on ubuntu otherwise kubuntu won't make sense.
[06:58] <angelo> hey how can i add a repositorie to kynaptic
[06:58] <_Church_of_Foamy> whats a good ftp browser?
[06:59] <_Church_of_Foamy> um i do it bye editing the sources.list file
[06:59] <uniq> angelo: doesn't look good for k3d on amd64. http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_packages.pl?version=all&subword=1&exact=&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=k3d&searchon=names
[06:59] <StR> swarm: kubuntu is the same as ubuntu..  but if comes with kde, nor gnome.. it is the same.. not another distro.. is the same....  but people (like me) dont like to download gnome just to remove it..
[06:59] <drx> uniq: alright gtk2 installed
[07:00] <CellarDoor> StR how do I stop the service ?
[07:00] <angelo> yeah i spent all night tryin it
[07:00] <StR> i dont have ubuntu here @ the office... 
[07:01] <uniq> drx: ok now -> control center -> look and feel -> GTK Styles and Fonts.. 
[07:02] <drx> ah great thanks
[07:02] <uniq> angelo: you'll have to edit the file for now.. as explained on http://ubuntuguide.org#extrarepositories
[07:02] <uniq> angelo: use kwrite wherever the guide refer to gedit and you're all good.
[07:02] <swarm> StT: good answer
[07:03] <uniq> cellardoor: which service do you want to stop? 
[07:03] <CellarDoor> uniq, telnet
[07:03] <angelo> ok i missed the sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup part :)
[07:03] <CellarDoor> I'm a bit dopey
[07:04] <uniq> cellardoor: use 'sudo netstat -lpAinet' to see which probrams listens to which ports.. 
[07:05] <HavoK> hi there
[07:05] <_Church_of_Foamy> hey anyone using a d-link di604 router?
[07:06] <uniq> cellardoor: that's all? 
[07:06] <CellarDoor> thanks uniq... what do I do now ?
[07:06] <CellarDoor> yes
[07:08] <uniq> telnet isn't enabled.
[07:09] <uniq> you have no services to others. only local services (default install)
[07:09] <CellarDoor> ah k
[07:10] <CellarDoor> so its not insecure at all ?
[07:11] <CellarDoor> I'm just a bit of a n00b and a bit paranoid
[07:12] <uniq> not insecure at all.
[07:12] <CellarDoor> :D
[07:13] <CellarDoor> *relieved
[07:13] <maxo> how come the fonts look really bad in KDE on kubuntu?
[07:14] <CellarDoor> mmm
[07:17] <mrmanic> maxo: they look fine to me :\
[07:18] <CellarDoor> I've had the same problem
[07:18] <maxo> I've made them slightly smaller but still... compared with suse and mandrake, they're definetely not as smooth
[07:18] <CellarDoor> I just switched to a much higher resolution and things look better, but its not an elegant solution
[07:19] <CellarDoor> I'd like to know myself why KDE's fonts look nasty on kubuntu
[07:19] <maxo> I have a pretty high resolution - 1280 x 1024 - so that can't be the problem
[07:19] <CellarDoor> at least by default
[07:19] <maxo> they don't seem to be using anti-aliasing
[07:19] <CellarDoor> yeah
[07:20] <CellarDoor> its not a good look
[07:20] <uniq> hmm.. strange, I don't have that problem. could it be the auto-dpi? 
[07:20] <CellarDoor> could be
[07:21] <CellarDoor> how do you change that though
[07:21] <CellarDoor> (iyam a n00b)
[07:21] <CellarDoor> Ive heard of it before but not done anything about it
[07:22] <uniq> you guys could try to force the DPI in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc, search for ServerArgsLocal (around line 470)..
[07:22] <uniq> ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp
[07:22] <uniq> is the default for me.
[07:22] <uniq> change that to: 
[07:22] <uniq> ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp -dpi 100
[07:22] <uniq> save, logout to KDM. ctrl+alt+backspace
[07:23] <uniq> kdm will restart.. 
[07:23] <uniq> you will probably see that the font has changes already.
[07:23] <uniq> and now login normaly.
[07:24] <maxo> ok, another quick question - ubuntu refuses to remember my wireless network card settings. every time I boot, I have to reconfigure them, is there a way to get it to remember them?
[07:26] <maxo> uniq: ok well I'll try that
[07:28] <angelo> hey how can i get my win fat 32 hdd to mount every time i start my pc
[07:28] <bhna_away> angelo edit your fstab in /etc
[07:28] <uniq> angelo: add it to /etc/fstab.
[07:28] <bhna_away> man fstab
[07:29] <angelo> ok thx
[07:29] <maxo> ok well that didn't seem to help :-(
[07:30] <thechitowncubs> When i try to go to my control panel and change my network settings as administrator, i type me root password in and then it just brings me back to the main page of the control center
[07:34] <uniq> angelo: http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountfat
[07:34] <angelo> kool thx
[07:35] <CellarDoor> brb
[07:37] <uniq> thechitowncubs: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=37360
[07:37] <uniq> known problem.
[07:37] <thechitowncubs> wow, thats a pretty bad problem
[07:37] <uniq> it's upstram.. people are working on it.
[07:38] <uniq> it's random, that's the big problem.
[07:38] <uniq> hard to figure out what trigers it.
[07:38] <maxo> uniq: that dpi 100 thing didn't help
[07:39] <uniq> maxo: ok, change it back then. did you try to change the font? or look at the settings in the control center? 
[07:39] <uniq> i have no problems with fonts on my default installation.
[07:40] <maxo> uniq: yes. just out of interest, which font do you have set in your control center?
[07:41] <uniq> maxo: sans serif
[07:41] <thechitowncubs> crap, something i did screwed it up and now i can't use the sudo command : thechitowncubs is not in the sudoers file. this incident will be reported.
[07:41] <uniq> for everything except fixed.. for fixed i use Prestige 12 Pitch 8 (don't know if that's a default font)
[07:41] <thechitowncubs> and now i can't do anything w/ root privelages
[07:42] <maxo> uniq: it's strange, a sec ago it was on bitstream vera sans but now it seems to be on sans serif
[07:43] <thechitowncubs> Anyone?
[07:44] <thechitowncubs> which solution do you guys use? because that thread has like 5 different ways, and now i can't even use sudo
[07:44] <StR> thechitowncubs:  boot with -s?
[07:44] <thechitowncubs> What does that mean?
[07:44] <uniq> thechitowncubs: reboot, at the grub screen press 'e' on the default selection, add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of one of the lines.. the line containing quiet and silent and some other options.. don't remember the line number.
[07:45] <StR> thechitowncubs: and after thar reedit the sudoers
[07:45] <uniq> thechitowncubs: then you'll get root access, fix your /etc/sudoers file, and 'exit'
[07:46] <thechitowncubs> What should i put in that for the fix to kcontrol?
[07:46] <uniq> 19:36 <      uniq> thechitowncubs: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=37360
[07:46] <thechitowncubs> I know that
[07:46] <thechitowncubs> which solution do you guys use? because that thread has like 5 different ways, and now i can't even use sudo
[07:46] <thechitowncubs> thechitowncubs which solution do you guys use? because that thread has like 5 different ways
[07:46] <uniq> I don't have the problem at all. some how.
[07:47] <_Church_of_Foamy> can you add active x to kubuntu?
[07:47] <uniq> no
[07:47] <uniq> activex is a windows thing.
[07:48] <_Church_of_Foamy> oh ok
[07:48] <sproingie> technically you could, but it's not like any existing controls would run
[07:56] <_Church_of_Foamy> how to install a tar.gz file?
[07:59] <mrmanic> _Church_of_Foamy: install a tar.gz file?
[08:00] <mrmanic> _Church_of_Foamy: that sort of depends on what is inside of that tar.gz file
[08:00] <_Church_of_Foamy> i am trying to install dx9wine
[08:00] <sirukin> hmm
[08:00] <sirukin> _Church_of_Foamy, what no non-english characters?
[08:00] <mrmanic> _Church_of_Foamy: is it the standard ./configure make make install?
[08:01] <_Church_of_Foamy> don't know let me check
[08:05] <sproingie> gee freaking wiz... kcalc has the gravitational constant of the universe as a built-in feature
[08:05] <sproingie> but it doesn't have a TAPE
[08:08] <sirukin> haha
[08:10] <sproingie> time to fire up bc
[08:11] <sproingie> or dc. got a nice tape look, to it, just gotta put the +/- on the right instead of the left
[08:18] <_Church_of_Foamy> is it possible to use linux to make a router for a network
[08:18] <sproingie> sure
[08:18] <_Church_of_Foamy> with multiple computers connecting to it
[08:18] <_Church_of_Foamy> i have an old compaq pII
[08:18] <_Church_of_Foamy> i want to use
[08:18] <sproingie> how many computers?
[08:18] <_Church_of_Foamy> well max 4
[08:19] <sproingie> you probably want to stick them onto a switch
[08:19] <_Church_of_Foamy> why?
[08:19] <_Church_of_Foamy> i just need a router thast actually good
[08:19] <sproingie> because otherwise you'll have to put 5 nics in your linux box
[08:19] <_Church_of_Foamy> so
[08:19] <_Church_of_Foamy> thats fine
[08:20] <sproingie> switch will be faster and cost less, then you have the linux box be the router
[08:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> ok
[08:20] <_Church_of_Foamy> why faster?
[08:20] <sproingie> put the boxes including the linux box on a switch, then set the linux box to be the gateway for the other 4
[08:21] <sproingie> also attach just the linux box to the internet, and now it's a firewall
[08:21] <sproingie> if your switch is also a gateway, you can do a "router on a stick", but that's pretty tricky
[08:22] <sproingie> faster because the switch is dedicated switching hardware, while the linux box has to handle all the nics otherwise
[08:22] <sproingie> trust me, it's a pain
[08:23] <sproingie> any old 4-port or 10-port switch from best buy will do
[08:24] <sproingie> you could also go wireless and use the linux box as an AP.  don't know enough about wireless to tell you how to set that up
[08:25] <sproingie> if you want a firewall distro, smoothwall is really nice.  it's pretty idiotproof to set up
[08:26] <sproingie> time for lunch.  later
[08:28] <_Church_of_Foamy> how to go to hdc in konsole
[08:30] <_Church_of_Foamy> how to go to hdc in konsole?
[08:30] <nmorse> anyone know if there's any real performance difference from switching from the 386 kernel to the 686?
[08:30] <nmorse> where's hdc mounted?
[08:30] <_Church_of_Foamy> yes
[08:31] <_Church_of_Foamy> um i don't know?
[08:31] <nmorse> Enough to justify the switch?
[08:31] <_Church_of_Foamy> it's the cd-rom
[08:31] <nmorse> check /etc/mtab
[08:32] <nmorse> Hmm, hoary-security wants me to upgrade my kernel
[08:32] <monchy> you should
[08:32] <_Church_of_Foamy>  /media/cdrom0
[08:32] <nmorse> I guess I'll switch to 686 right now then
[08:32] <nmorse> then 'cd /media/cdrom0'
[08:32] <monchy> reason it wants you to update is here >> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=204027#post204027
[08:33] <nmorse> or /media/cdrom
[08:33] <_Church_of_Foamy> ^_^
[08:33] <nmorse> Bah, why update with just a local exploit affecting i386?
[08:34] <nmorse> My FreeBSD box is in the DMZ, so nothing gets to my laptop anyway
[08:35] <kay> question is, why not?
[08:36] <nmorse> Because I hate GRUB
[08:36] <nmorse> And I refuse to mess with it
[08:36] <kay> Well, since Ubuntu, my grub is updated automatically
[08:37] <nmorse> Yeah, Debian did that too (with lilo back then)
[08:37] <nmorse> Something always went wrong
[08:37] <kay> I always hated lilo for that
[08:37] <nmorse> And then I'd use my woody disc to rescue the system (but only because I know how to work with lilo)
[08:37] <kay> With grub, these things work pretty well
[08:37] <nmorse> I hate messing with grub though
[08:37] <nmorse> It doesn't stick to standard conventions
[08:38] <kay> Hm, which would it be?
[08:38] <nmorse> Like, oh, say, /dev/hda1
[08:38] <nmorse> Not like (0,1)
[08:38] <nmorse> Or however it does it
[08:38] <kay> Eh, what kind of convention is that
[08:38] <kay> That is Linux device naming of 2.4, and before
[08:39] <nmorse> Grub does it like this (hd0,0) for /dev/hda1
[08:39] <nmorse> That's messed up
[08:39] <uniq> you haven't booted linux yet, grub isn't linux :)
[08:39] <nmorse> I noticed
[08:39] <uniq> it's not like it's called C: either :)
[08:39] <kay> You know, how I hated it when it was devfs and /dev/bus/ide0/disk0/part1 ?
[08:39] <nmorse> I like the Linux Loader though
[08:40] <nmorse> I like the FreeBSD bootloader better though
[08:40] <kay> Well, try boot FreeBSD with it
[08:40] <kay> with lilo, that is
[08:40] <nmorse> Why, FreeBSD's is better?
[08:40] <nmorse> Grub may boot multiple OS's well, but I've never seen the need for it
[08:40] <nmorse> I can boot Windows with Lilo
[08:40] <kay> Because the BSD guys have even worse partition schemes :p
[08:40] <nmorse> Slices
[08:40] <nmorse> I hate slices
[08:41] <kay> Grub is not about needing it, the great stuff is, grub is robust
[08:41] <kay> It has a shell built in
[08:41] <kay> It can read filesystems itself
[08:41] <kay> No need to run lilo for every installed kernel
[08:41] <kay> It can boot, Win, BSD, Linux, say a name and it does boot it
[08:42] <nmorse> Yeah, doesn't mean I have to like it
[08:42] <kay> And the nice thing, it is obviously much more easy to get config right than with lilo
[08:42] <nmorse> System Commander does that too
[08:42] <sproingie> freebsd's bootloader rocks
[08:42] <kay> What is System Commander?!
[08:42] <nmorse> I wouldn't say that, kay
[08:42] <sproingie> yay for bootforth
[08:42] <nmorse> A multiple os bootloader
[08:42] <nmorse> I prefer lilo's config file
[08:42] <sproingie> grub's config file is not unlike lilo's
[08:43] <nmorse> Not that Grub's is much different, yeah
[08:43] <sproingie> you just don't have to compile it, because grub can find and read it
[08:43] <kay> Hm... i only wished that Ubuntu had the --once patch in it
[08:43] <kay> Allow me to set the default for only the next boot
[08:44] <nmorse> I really preferred the having to run lilo bit
[08:44] <sproingie> still, freebsd's bootforth could technically emulate all other bootloaders
[08:44] <nmorse> Always made me feel better that someone couldn't just alter the config file
[08:44] <kay> Bootloaders are only about tech details
[08:44] <sproingie> it's owned by root
[08:44] <nmorse> FreeBSD's bootloader is neet, and dynamic
[08:44] <nmorse> I like the scripting ability in it too
[08:44] <sproingie> if you're root, someone could "just alter" /vmlinuz
[08:44] <kay> or even mbr :p
[08:45] <nmorse> with a lilo command, yep
[08:45] <nmorse> How does grub rewrite the mbr?
[08:45] <nmorse> I've never done it with grub
[08:45] <sproingie> same way other bootloaders do
[08:45] <kay> install-grub, not?
[08:45] <nmorse> grub /dev/hda?
[08:45] <sproingie> you only have to install grub once
[08:45] <kay> no, it's grub-install i think
[08:45] <kay> And, that is done by the installer anyway
[08:46] <nmorse> How do you make it restore MBR's on other disks?
[08:46] <sproingie> you don't.  it's a bootloader
[08:46] <nmorse> You should be able to
[08:46] <nmorse> Lilo can
[08:46] <kay> heh?
[08:46] <kay> Why do you need it?
[08:46] <nmorse> It's how I fix a lot of stuff I do
[08:46] <sproingie> nice feature.  too bad it still can't read a filesystem
[08:47] <kay> The ability of grub to edit config entries before boot has saved me lots of times
[08:47] <sproingie> i've always liked syslinux.  multiple pages of help are nice
[08:47] <kay> And, does lilo have passwords?
[08:47] <sproingie> grub and syslinux should get together
[08:47] <nmorse> Yeah, kay, that is pretty nice
[08:47] <nmorse> Yeah, kay, lilo has passwords
[08:47] <kay> Important for laptops, you know :p
[08:47] <sproingie> still, bootforth would do all of it.  all hail bootforth
[08:48] <nmorse> All hail bootforth indeed!
[08:48] <kay> grub has the GNU pee :p#
[08:48] <kay> That's all that matters at the end of a Free Software day....
[08:48] <sproingie> forth is kinda icky for lots of folks tho ... i wonder if bootlua would be doable
[08:48] <nmorse> Bah, BSD license is better
[08:49] <kay> For a bootloader? :p
[08:49] <nmorse> Bootlua probably is doable
[08:49] <nmorse> Why do you need the GPL for a bootloader?
[08:49] <kay> Why do you need BDS for a bootloader?
[08:49] <sproingie> actually bootloader might be the most sensible place
[08:49] <nmorse> No point in either license, really
[08:49] <kay> s/BDS/BSD/
[08:49] <kay> exactly
[08:49] <nmorse> Should just be a beerware license
[08:49] <sproingie> it could serve to prevent really low level lockouts
[08:49] <kay> It was meant as a joke
[08:50] <sproingie> though it's not like anyone inclined can't write their own bootloader
[08:50] <nmorse> Mine was a joke, too, kay
[08:50] <kay> :)
[08:50] <nmorse> I like to use the FreeBSD bootloader to pick which disk to boot from
[08:50] <kay> But now, honestly, the kernel upgrade
[08:51] <nmorse> That's why having lilo on one disk fix mbr's on others is handy for me
[08:51] <kay> (which I won't get, because I have my own kernel anyway)
[08:51] <kay> Won't it update the kernel in-place?
[08:51] <sproingie> what i don't get is, i run qemu, and restore from a VM snapshot ... it does so INSTANTLY
[08:51] <sproingie> so why does it take so long to resume from hibernate?
[08:51] <nmorse> I have no idea
[08:51] <nmorse> Update the kernel in-place, what?!
[08:51] <nmorse> Like, swap for the running kernel?
[08:51] <kay> On disk
[08:52] <kay> There are patches for booting a kernel from the kernel, too
[08:52] <nmorse> No, Debian makes a backup of the other kernel and makes an entry for both
[08:52] <nmorse> I know there are patches for it, but it uses lilo for that, no?
[08:52] <kay> Kernel developers really like that fast reboot
[08:53] <kay> nmorse: The grub stuff on Ubuntu doesn't work with backups
[08:53] <nmorse> You've got to be joking
[08:53] <sproingie> works fine for me
[08:53] <kay> nmorse: No, the kernel just unpacks stuff and jumps into it
[08:53] <sproingie> i make-kpkg all the time and it always just adds kernels to the menu, never subtracts
[08:53] <kay> nmorse: Well, look around on kerneltrap, why should a bootloader be able to do it, but the linux kernel not?
[08:54] <nmorse> I know, spoingie, I used to do it on my Debian Sid box
[08:54] <nmorse> But Ubuntu should do it too, no?>
[08:54] <kay> sproingie: Do apt-get remove kernel- with tab completion enabled
[08:54] <sproingie> nmorse: it does, at least for my builds.  don't know about official kernels, haven't upgraded yet
[08:55] <nmorse> Hmm, I just did
[08:55] <nmorse> Time to reboot I guess
[08:55] <nmorse> What version are you stuck at for ATI?
[08:55] <kay> Because he gave up his freedom
[08:55] <sproingie> 2.6.10
[08:55] <nmorse> The new Ubuntu kernel is still 2.6.10
[08:55] <kay> hm...
[08:55] <nmorse> I wonder why Ubuntu doesn't make use of tasksel?
[08:55] <sproingie> yep.  it's not like i have a burning need for 2.6.11
[08:56] <nmorse> Tasksel would make for one disk that could install Ubuntu, Kubuntu, XFCEubuntu, etc, from the internet
[08:56] <kay> what is linux-tree-2.6.12 doing then?
[08:56] <nmorse> But I didn't see it in the install process once
[08:56] <sproingie> and yes, i "sold my freedom" to save $50 for and get purty graphics 
[08:56] <kay> Here on Breezy, it is available for install
[08:56] <sproingie> at least ATI's driver is more or less stable now
[08:57] <sproingie> blender runs at amazing speed, faster than the windows version
[08:57] <nmorse> I think I'm switching my desktop to Nvidia
[08:57] <nmorse> I'm tired of waiting on ATI
[08:57] <nmorse> What's available for install, kay, linux-tree-2.6.12?
[08:58] <kay> yeah
[08:58] <sproingie> i like ATI's visual quality, and the driver for linux is adequate for workstation use, but frankly the packaging sucks
[08:58] <kay> And I think, those packages when they get updates, replace the old version, not?
[08:58] <nmorse> No idea, won't touch breezy
[08:58] <nmorse> Sid was about as crazy as I get
[08:59] <kay> I am on Breezy since day 1
[08:59] <kay> And so far it was not so bad
[08:59] <kay> You just need to know how to repair your X installation yourself :p
[08:59] <sproingie> i was on breezy, then dbus broke and kde with it
[08:59] <kay> Breezy is quite a bit more unstable than Debian unstable :)
[09:00] <sproingie> starts out experimental, gradually becomes stable
[09:00] <kay> Well, yes, but then the C++ transition hurt
[09:00] <nmorse> I know, and I know that I went to Ubuntu for a system that just worked
[09:00] <kay> And X is still not working as it should
[09:00] <nmorse> Breezy doesn't work
[09:00] <kay> I like to have something that evolves
[09:01] <kay> Define "work"
[09:01] <nmorse> I just realized there's a k7 kernel, scrapping 686
[09:01] <sproingie> i dunno that even breezy evolves well.  java-package still doesn't support jdk1.5
[09:01] <nmorse> It runs like it should, smoothly, without unexpected breakage
[09:01] <sproingie> it's been what, a year?
[09:01] <kay> I only need ant, and yes, java was broken badly for some time
[09:01] <sproingie> it still is for sun jdk
[09:01] <kay> I think ant starting to run again
[09:02] <kay> I am not going to use Sun JDK
[09:02] <kay> I think kaffe and javwm do what i need
[09:02] <nmorse> Time to reboot and try out the new kernel
[09:02] <sproingie> kaffe is laughable
[09:02] <kay> jamwm tha tis
[09:02] <sproingie> and blackdown doesn't have a port for x86-64
[09:02] <kay> Well, it improved recently quite a bit
[09:03] <nmorse> classpath and gcj can't even run cgoban
[09:03] <kay> Java as Free Software is good enough with classpath now
[09:03] <kay> What is cgoban?
[09:05] <kay> lol, it is running on my Breezy just fine
[09:05] <cabajgtr> Does anybody know how to copy a recursive set of directory contents into one flat directory?
[09:05] <cabajgtr> (in linux)
[09:06] <cabajgtr> I have a bunch of image files in several layers of subdirectories, I want to get them all into one big directory
[09:06] <kay> find /that/dir -exec mv {} . \;
[09:06] <sproingie> s/mv/cp/ if you prefer
[09:06] <nmorse> well, it worked
[09:06] <kay> Go to that directory and execute the above statement, cabajgtr 
[09:07] <nmorse> Now to work on compiling my own custom kernel
[09:07] <kay> yeah, cp does copy, mv moves
[09:07] <sproingie> find /where/ever -type f | while read file; do cp $file /some/where; done
[09:07] <kay> nmorse: What is cgoban?
[09:07] <sproingie> much more readable than find's arcane syntax
[09:07] <kay> nmorse: Is it a Go thing?
[09:07] <nmorse> Yeah, on Kiseido
[09:07] <sproingie> i suppose xargs would do too, but i like to be able to edit the loop easy
[09:08] <kay> Well, nmorse, I am running it on my Breezy
[09:08] <cabajgtr> find . -exec cp {} /var/www/photos/images/    
[09:08] <cabajgtr> find: missing argument to `-exec'
[09:08] <kay> And I think it is running in gcj VM
[09:08] <sproingie> you are forgetting -type f
[09:08] <kay> Actually it should find . -type f
[09:08] <sproingie> will complain about directories with cp
[09:08] <nmorse> cgoban is running for you?
[09:08] <sproingie> and will lose badly with mv
[09:08] <kay> Sure
[09:08] <kay> nmorse: It also said:
[09:09] <philipacamaniac> anyone tried ivman?
[09:09] <kay> Look /usr/games/cgoban: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[09:09] <nmorse> Hmm
[09:09] <nmorse> GCJ compiled it successfully?
[09:10] <kay> Are you sure it is Java at all?
[09:10] <nmorse> Yeah, I'm sure it's java
[09:10] <nmorse> That may be cgoban, not cgoban2 (not that you can tell anymore since they dropped the 2)
[09:10] <kay> hm... let me check
[09:10] <cabajgtr> -exec is not a good argument...
[09:11] <kay> says 1.9.14, nmorse 
[09:11] <nmorse> I get a ton of errors when I try to run cgoban
[09:11] <hussam> I have a question. I still have only 20GB of empty space. Is there a way I can move installation + boot record to a bigger hard drive?
[09:11] <nmorse> dd
[09:12] <sproingie> no, not dd
[09:12] <nmorse> ?
[09:12] <kay> if you boot off Knoppix or so, dd is a good way
[09:12] <sproingie> dd on the raw device will hose the filesystem you're dd'ing onto
[09:12] <kay> Just make sure, not mounted stuff
[09:13] <kay> And then, run something to grow the filesystem, what was it?
[09:13] <kay> sproingie: hm... of course the target partition will be overwritten, why not?
[09:14] <hussam> any ideas?
[09:14] <sproingie> because if it's a different size, you'll have to grow the filesystem.  which i suppose you could do
[09:14] <kay> hussam: Make a backup with tar (use google) and restore it to another partition
[09:14] <sproingie> if you have multiple partitions, best to just use tar -p and let the fs figure it out
[09:15] <nmorse> That's the easiest way probably
[09:15] <kay> sproingie: But I remember that hardlinks get lost that way, correct?
[09:15] <sproingie> dd's going to be a lot faster, but it'll work for one partition
[09:15] <hussam> kay: but that won't copy boot record
[09:15] <nmorse> Hmm, kay, java says DefNoClassFound: cgoban or some such
[09:15] <kay> hussam: Use grub-install for that
[09:15] <sproingie> kay: not a lot of things using hardlinks
[09:15] <kay> nmorse: Well, Hoary is old :p
[09:16] <kay> sproingie: On my Debian back then, too much for me, so I went for dd
[09:16] <nmorse> Great, and not much route for upgrading other than Breezy
[09:16] <kay> nmorse: Untrue, every Debian will work
[09:16] <sproingie> dd works ok for one filesystem
[09:16] <kay> I just forgot how to make it bigger in the ned
[09:16] <kay> end
[09:16] <douglas> Does kubuntu or ubuntu have a special cool way of installing alsa? Or do I do it like I would in debian?
[09:17] <sproingie> anyway, once you have things copied over and resized, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:17] <nmorse> No, alsa comes in the 2.6 kernel
[09:17] <sproingie> and run grub-install
[09:17] <nmorse> What's the problem, douglas?
[09:17] <kay> What's with Debian and ALSA?
[09:18] <douglas> nmorse: I just downloaded point2play for cedega, and I ran the compatability tests and it said neither oss or alsa are supported on my box, I guess I'm using arts.
[09:18] <douglas> nmorse: So I want to install alsa.
[09:18] <hussam> sproingie: how do I resize?
[09:18] <sproingie> hussam: which filesystem?
[09:19] <nmorse> Alsa is installed, douglas
[09:19] <kay> Ah, there is a package ext2resize
[09:19] <sproingie> for ext2/3, use ext2resize (google for it)
[09:19] <nmorse> By default in Ubuntu and Kubuntu
[09:19] <kay> Chances that you can use that, hussam ?
[09:19] <nmorse> Arts runs off of ALSA
[09:19] <sproingie> for others ... use tar, not dd
[09:19] <douglas> I wonder why cedega didn't detect it :(
[09:19] <sproingie> parted does filesystem resizing too, it might understand other fs's
[09:20] <kay> Ask your money back douglas :)
[09:20] <nmorse> douglas: try install alsa-oss
[09:20] <sproingie> i wouldn't try resizing reiserfs.  xfs might be ok
[09:20] <nmorse> I use reiserfs almost exclusively
[09:20] <kay> Use what everybody uses, i.e. ext3
[09:20] <douglas> nmorse: using apt-get ?
[09:20] <nmorse> yeha
[09:20] <douglas> k
[09:20] <nmorse> s/yeha/yeah
[09:20] <douglas> brb
[09:20] <hussam> The thing is I have two hard disks, hda ( the one that came with computer and has windows ) . I added another 30GB hard disk ( hdb) formatted as ext3 and installed Kubuntu. 
[09:20] <nmorse> XFS is pretty nice, but not on Mandrake, where everything locks up
[09:21] <nmorse> Doesn't XFS on Ubuntu give you lilo by default?
[09:21] <kay> hussam: You should be making it a logical volume
[09:21] <sproingie> no.  however, the grub that ubuntu's install cd ships with doesn't do xfs
[09:21] <kay> hussam: That way, you "merge" the two disks it one virtual volume
[09:21] <sproingie> and doesn't warn you if your /boot is in xfs
[09:21] <sproingie> i ended up reinstalling and creating an ext2 /boot
[09:21] <douglas> nmorse: will I need to restart my machine or x or anything?
[09:22] <kay> sproingie: Doesn't grub do xfs too?
[09:22] <nmorse> You shouldn't need to
[09:22] <sproingie> having a separate /boot is nice for other reasons
[09:22] <douglas> Thanks
[09:22] <sproingie> kay: yep.  but not the one that ubuntu installs out of the box.  ancient debian packages strikes again
[09:22] <nmorse> Like having a seperate /home
[09:22] <douglas> I'll let ya know how it works
[09:22] <hussam> can I keep windows on hda and move/replace the kubuntu installtion to a bigger drive?
[09:22] <douglas> I'm gonna try running cs source :)
[09:22] <nmorse> Nice
[09:22] <nmorse> Did you try dx9wine?
[09:23] <hussam> the bios is setup to boot from hda with contains windows
[09:23] <douglas> no, What's that?
[09:23] <sproingie> i'm more or less inclined to keep bootloaders off the bleeding edge ... but it'd be nice if it warned me
[09:23] <sproingie> thankfully i really did have all day
[09:23] <douglas> I haven't been keeping up in the communtity like I should
[09:23] <sproingie> and understood what the problem was
[09:23] <sproingie> a novice user would have been mystified.  'course a novice user wouldn't be using the expert installer
[09:23] <nmorse> It's wine with the new directx9 patches in it
[09:24] <nmorse> It lets Half-Life 2 run in DX9 mode, something not even Cedega can do
[09:24] <douglas> half-life only runs on dx9 and hl2 is supported by cedega though
[09:24] <douglas> I've seen screens of it running.
[09:24] <sproingie> nifty.  now we just need a knoppix with this stuff and that "bootable game CD" thing might become a reality
[09:25] <nmorse> God, why does Ubuntu support a.out and MISC binaries by default (assuming the .config in linux-source is the one they use)?
[09:25] <sproingie> of course it'd be like a console that took 5 minutes to boot
[09:25] <nmorse> Not if it was based on Slax
[09:25] <nmorse> Then we'd just copy to our 2GB of RAM gaming boxes
[09:25] <sproingie> MISC binaries are useful.  a.out, no idea why.  probably inherits from debian
[09:25] <nmorse> No, Debian doesn't support those in its by default
[09:25] <sproingie> recall that debian is intended to support systems that have been upgraded from buzz or whatnot
[09:25] <nmorse> Why are MISC binaries useful?
[09:26] <sproingie> tho i suspect hamm is as far back as one could go for dist-upgrades
[09:26] <nmorse> Debian Sid, which Ubuntu's based off of, doesn't support upgrade from buzz
[09:26] <nmorse> Which version was Hamm?
[09:26] <nmorse> 2.0?
[09:26] <sproingie> can't recall
[09:27] <sproingie> i suspect it'd actually have to stop at the first apt-enabled version
[09:27] <sproingie> slink, i think?
[09:27] <nmorse> I have slink on CD here, and yeah, apt was just out then
[09:27] <nmorse> It still used dselect by default
[09:27] <douglas> http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/games/view.mhtml?game_id=3524    screen from transgaming of cssource running!
[09:28] <sproingie> dselect uses apt behind the scenes
[09:28] <douglas> peace out, thanks for the help!
[09:28] <nmorse> Dselect is the devil (though I have fond memories of it)
[09:28] <sproingie> debian still doesn't ship with aptitude out of the box, does it?
[09:28] <nmorse> Don't think so
[09:28] <nmorse> Why should it?
[09:28] <nmorse> Apt is its own best front-end
[09:28] <sproingie> if anything should kill off dselect, aptitude should
[09:29] <nmorse> I'm thinking it's going to take a while to trim down Ubuntu's stock kernel
[09:30] <nmorse> Why do I need built-in paralell port support?
[09:30] <nmorse> It's a laptop
[09:30] <sproingie> most laptops still have those 
[09:30] <nmorse> Mine doesn't for sure
[09:30] <sproingie> it's a generic distribution
[09:30] <nmorse> It does have s-video out though
[09:31] <nmorse> I know, just commenting on how long this could take
[09:31] <sproingie> i havent bothered trimming.  having 1G of RAM and never using it up made me lazy
[09:32] <nmorse> I only have 512 on the laptop
[09:32] <sproingie> if i want a slim os, i'll use L4
[09:32] <nmorse> And I never liked stock kernels anyway
[09:32] <nmorse> Then I'll trim bootup services
[09:32] <sproingie> i wonder if l4linux can use the ATI drivers?
[09:33] <nmorse> l4linux?
[09:33] <sproingie> linux running on top of the L4 microkernel
[09:33] <nmorse> Odd
[09:34] <sproingie> l4 puts mach to shame.  mach gave microkernels a bad name
[09:34] <sproingie> i'm amazed apple went with it
[09:34] <nmorse> Didn't Hurd switch to L4?
[09:35] <sproingie> hurd and microkernels are like duke nukem forever and 3d engines
[09:36] <nmorse> I know, I'll never figure out if they actually want to release the thing
[09:36] <sproingie> i kind of suspect microkernels are dying off, since new research is into nanokernels like xen 
[09:36] <sproingie> what they're calling a "hypervisor" now, anyway
[09:36] <_freak> hi all
[09:36] <nmorse> Yeah, go figure
[09:37] <nmorse> That just lets you run whatever kernel you want on top
[09:37] <sproingie> including l4 i'd imagine
[09:37] <nmorse> I like the 'coded to the metal' approach over the 'add abstraction wherever possible' approach
[09:37] <sproingie> well that's the idea behind a nanokernel
[09:38] <nmorse> Abstraction?
[09:38] <nmorse> Run the real kernel on this?
[09:38] <sproingie> you do code to the bare metal.  the nanokernel just makes it look like there's more bare metal to code to
[09:38] <nmorse> Like OpenFirmware?
[09:39] <sproingie> dunno anything about openfirmware
[09:39] <nmorse> It's on the PPC platform, used in both Apple and Sun boxes, I think
[09:40] <sproingie> oh, that 
[09:40] <nmorse> Basically, openfirmware's coded to the metal and then the OS gets its low-level drivers from it
[09:40] <sproingie> that's only used for initializing devices i think
[09:40] <sproingie> once it's done, the os driver takes over completely, no?
[09:40] <nmorse> Yeah, for the basic IDE and stuff
[09:40] <nmorse> No idea, not an OS developer
[09:40] <sproingie> naw, nanokernel virtualizes all your devices
[09:40] <nmorse> I just read the abstracts
[09:41] <sproingie> doesn't give them a virtual interface, just makes them appear available to everything
[09:41] <nmorse> For the fglrx driver, do I need to leave the DRI in the kernel?
[09:41] <sproingie> it's like virtual memory applied to all devices
[09:41] <sproingie> nmorse: no, it uses its own
[09:41] <nmorse> Okay, that's what I thought, but I wasn't sure
[09:41] <sproingie> well, DRI support itself has to be there, but the DRM needs to go
[09:41] <sproingie> can't remember if that's one and the same
[09:42] <nmorse> Then add the agpgart for the ati IGP
[09:42] <nmorse> Or should I use ATI's?
[09:42] <sproingie> internal agpgart should work, but sometimes it doesn't
[09:42] <nmorse> I'll build as a module then
[09:46] <nmorse> why are 4kb kernel stacks enabled?
[09:46] <nmorse> Didn't that mess up everything for a few Fedora Core releases?
[09:47] <nmorse> Is it worth leaving in?
[09:47] <nmorse> Anyone know?
[09:48] <Shuddertrix> not sure
[09:49] <nmorse> CRC32? Like, the serial port?
[09:49] <sproingie> they don't break mych
[09:49] <sproingie> much
[09:49] <nmorse> That's what that is, correct?
[09:49] <sproingie> crc32 is just a checksum algorithm
[09:49] <sproingie> where is it in the config?
[09:49] <sproingie> what section?
[09:49] <nmorse> Library Routines
[09:49] <sproingie> not much uses it, but there's no reason not to keep it
[09:50] <sproingie> ipv4 uses crc32 if you're unlucky enough to not have hardware checksumming
[09:50] <sproingie> e.g. an ancient card.  or for virtual devices
[09:51] <sproingie> i guess ipv4 isn't exactly "not much", but there's a good chance the net driver reimplements crc32 anyway
[09:51] <nmorse> all right, let's see if my new kernel will compile and run
[09:52] <sproingie> it's like a dozen instructions in asm or so
[09:52] <nmorse> no point in removing it then
[09:52] <nmorse> Most asm code doesn't slow down squat
[09:53] <sproingie> well at some point it's all asm :)
[09:53] <dreumah> hey my k3b gives me OPC failure when i try to burn a dvd
[09:53] <nmorse> no, it's all machine code
[09:53] <nmorse> Doesn't necessarily hit asm
[09:53] <sproingie> well asm is isomorphic to machine code
[09:54] <sproingie> 1-1
[09:54] <randabis> less overhead iirc
[09:54] <sproingie> i suppose turing equivalence makes everything isomorphic to it
[09:55] <nmorse> now to remember those long lost days when I used make-kpkg
[09:55] <nmorse> and remember how to use make-kpkg
[09:56] <sproingie> make-kpkg 0wns
[09:56] <sproingie> ok, i gotta take a break.  later
[09:56] <randabis> indeed
[09:57] <nmorse> later
[09:57] <nmorse> okay, how to use it
[09:57] <nmorse> was it --append=stringofstuff?
[09:58] <nmorse> no, --append-to-version
[10:09] <nmorse> Great, now where's the debian package for the kernel?
[10:10] <gdh> hm?
[10:10] <gdh> debian -> kernel-image ... ubuntu -> linux-image
[10:11] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> www.nexuiz.com  free game seeems to be old school :}
[10:12] <nmorse> No, I just compiled my own with make-kpkg
[10:12] <nmorse> and it didn't show up in the parent directory
[10:13] <nmorse> I am baffled
[10:13] <gdh> fantastic :)
[10:13] <gdh> updatedb && locate  ?
[10:13] <gdh> locate the --revision string you used?
[10:13] <gdh> or 'Custom' which I think is the default
[10:14] <monchy> JuNk, you'd be better off getting enemy territory (also free)
[10:14] <nmorse> it should be called 2.6.10-k7-custom
[10:16] <gdh> nmorse: .. you *did* specify 'kernel_image' yeh?
[10:16] <nmorse> Hmm, it's been way too long since I did this
[10:16] <gdh> if you just did 'make-kpkg' it'll go through the whole build process but not generate any debs :)
[10:16] <nmorse> Way too long
[10:17] <nmorse> I knew I forgot something
[10:17] <gdh> in an ideal world we shouldn't need to recompile the kernel :)
[10:17] <nmorse> Everything works fine right now, I just am tired of the amount of stuff that's built into it
[10:17] <nmorse> I figure I should work on optimizing speed right now
[10:18] <gdh> I used to roll my own for each piece of hardware, but I honestly have better things to do...
[10:18] <nmorse> Get those few extra FPS in my games
[10:18] <gdh> so I use Debian's default kernels now
[10:18] <nmorse> I have nothing to do
[10:18] <nmorse> I am bored beyond belief
[10:18] <gdh> :)
[10:18] <gdh> You can tidy our kitchen if you like =)
[10:18] <nmorse> Nah
[10:18] <nmorse> I could tidy my desk too
[10:19] <nmorse> Or I could write a jabber client
[10:19] <nmorse> I think I'll do that
[10:19] <gdh> another one?
[10:19] <nmorse> For KDE though
[10:19] <gdh> bet it's in python :)
[10:19] <nmorse> For right now, later to be rewritten in C++
[10:19] <gdh> better, you could improve Kopete's Jabber functionality
[10:19] <gdh> because it's fairly shitty
[10:19] <nmorse> I hate Kopete's interface with a passion
[10:19] <nmorse> Hey, kopete supports priority
[10:19] <gdh> heh :)
[10:20] <gdh> it doesn't do conferences well at all
[10:20] <nmorse> That makes its jabber functionality much better than most other clients
[10:20] <gdh> And the History feature in Kubuntu Kopete is br0ke :/
[10:20] <nmorse> ubuntu's gaim sucks
[10:20] <nmorse> None of the Jabber fixes have been backported
[10:21] <gdh> gaim sucks :) It's been wildly unstable any of teh 3 times I tried to use it day to day
[10:21] <nmorse> I think I'm going to reboot on my new kernel in a sec
[10:21] <nmorse> Yeah, right about now
[10:23] <gdh> nope, the critical code is almost all userspace.. X and whatnot :)
[10:23] <gdh> If I try hard, I can almost sound like I know what I'm talking about
[10:23] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> monchy : i do i run servers  we just found one also free to  make 64player server.
[10:25] <randabis> hehe
[10:25] <monchy> nice, will you be running the shrubexp mod?
[10:26] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> did we run mostly ETpro
[10:26] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> 40man server on that
[10:26] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> we just need some free old school deathmatch game for now untill q4 and bf2 come out
[10:27] <monchy> oof BF
[10:27] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> we have been around about 5 yeras now
[10:27] <nmorse> Crap, Kernel Panic
[10:27] <nmorse> can't mount fs on (3,2)
[10:27] <gdh> ouchers :)
[10:27] <nmorse> What did I do now
[10:27] <nmorse> ?
[10:27] <nmorse> Bah, time to fix fs modules
[10:27] <gdh> forgot to compile ext2 or ext3 in?
[10:28] <gdh> or worse, forgot to compile an IDE driver in? :)
[10:28] <randabis> why did u make a custom kernel in the first place :p
[10:28] <gdh> randabis: boredom :)
[10:28] <randabis> :)
[10:28] <gdh> [21:18]  <nmorse> I have nothing to do
[10:28] <gdh> [21:18]  <nmorse> I am bored beyond belief
[10:28] <nmorse> No, seems to be a problem with reiserfs being a module
[10:28] <nmorse> Which it is by default on Ubuntu anyway
[10:28] <nmorse> But root is reiserfs
[10:28] <randabis> there are better ways to stifle boredom imho
[10:28] <gdh> nmorse: yeh, that's what an initrd is for :)
[10:29] <nmorse> Bah, who likes initrd?
[10:29] <randabis> hehe
[10:29] <gdh> nmorse: I like it when it just works =) hence, using the default debian one...
[10:30] <gdh> nmorse: just install linux-686 or whatever? since most of the kernel is as a module, there's no 'cruft' in memory
[10:30] <gdh> it's all as .ko's on/lib/modules/
[10:30] <gdh> and whilst I doubt I will ever use a 16-port Cyclades serial port adapter... 50K of module isn't really doing me any harm
[10:31] <nmorse> Bah, of course it will
[10:31] <nmorse> Not like installing a whole nother set of modules to add to it
[10:31] <randabis> it'll give you cooties
[10:31] <gdh> LOL
[10:31] <nmorse> Like when you compile another kernel, no
[10:32] <nmorse> Now to remember which package in Debian controls startup services
[10:33] <nmorse> time to reboot again
[10:41] <nmorse> I think my kernel panic may be related to the error I get when booting normal Ubuntu kernels
[10:41] <nmorse> VFS: can't find ext3 partition on /dev/hda2
[10:43] <nmorse> I think I'm scrapping the initrd
[10:49] <nmorse> dadgummit, where do I disable initrd at?
[10:52] <randabis> you remove it from grub.conf or menu.lst iirc
[10:53] <randabis> you just have to make sure you have your essentials compiled in the kernel and not as modules
[10:55] <nmorse> Ok
[10:57] <KaiL|M2400N> does somebody know something about txpower problemswith ipw2100?
[10:57] <KaiL|M2400N> ..and how to fix them?
[11:00] <KaiL|M2400N_> damn dhcp..
[11:04] <abisen> on one of my desktop the kubuntu installation becomes toooo unresponsive it takes ages to do anything ... i checked top and vmstat and the load average and everything looks fine what dmesg does not gives any error ... what might be the problem or how can i find out the source of problem
[11:07] <morten> hey-ho!  well, I'm stille suffering from that... klibs thingie.. so if anyone have that script file that fixes it... I would very much like to have it
[11:14] <morten> Anyone ?
[11:16] <gdh> morten: have you enabled (i.e. removed the # from the start) deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted in your sources.list
[11:19] <nmorse> Well, I can't seem to get the kernel to boot no matter what I do
[11:19] <nmorse> That irks me
[11:19] <nmorse> But I did speed up boot-up time by cutting most services off
[11:20] <nmorse> Now if only I could convince it to quit trying to start RAID and LVM devices which I don't have
[11:20] <morten> ... So i just have to add that one ?? and then run an upgrade ?
[11:20] <gdh> morten: yep that should do it
[11:20] <gdh> you'll get a whole swathe of updates.
[11:20] <morten> I'll try - wish me luck!
[11:20] <nmorse> I think I should play some Go, but I can't because Hoary's GCJ won't run it
[11:22] <kay> nmorse: use sysv-rc-conf package
[11:23] <kay> nmorse: With that you can disable them from the runlevels
[11:23] <gdh> kay: ooh good tip!
[11:23] <kay> Unfortunately every time there is an update, the links get recreated
[11:24] <kay> I wish Debian had a way to make it permanent, but to my knowledge it does not
[11:24] <kay> I cannot say, I want to install apache, but only start it on demand, can i?
[11:25] <nmorse> Shouldn't apache be able to be disabled from rcconf?
[11:25] <nmorse> Normal rcconf that is, not sysv-rc-conf
[11:25] <kay> What is rcconf then? :-)
[11:25] <gdh> why do you have apache installed if you don't want to run it? =)
[11:26] <harlekin> i have a question
[11:26] <nmorse> sudo apt-get install rcconf is your friend
[11:26] <kay> gdh: Because e.g. I am only using that Apache when I log in, not my wife :p
[11:26] <harlekin> where can i get a i686 kernel for kubuntu
[11:27] <nmorse> right, now which service handles RAID and LVM?
[11:27] <gdh> harlekin: apt-get install linux-686 :)
[11:27] <harlekin> lol
[11:27] <nmorse> beat me to it
[11:27] <harlekin> so easy
[11:27] <harlekin> i am a nub
[11:28] <harlekin> can i do that with every package i want to install from the internet
[11:28] <gdh> ubuntu has nubified a lot :) no more install kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686 etc.
[11:28] <kay> hm, madm service does not show up there, nmorse
[11:28] <gdh> harlekin: run 'kynaptic' to see the available packages
[11:28] <kay> And madm is one of them, btw :O
[11:29] <harlekin> but kynaptics dos not support to conect with the internet
[11:29] <nmorse> Yeah, some services don't show up in rcconf but show up in sysv-rc-conf, apparently
[11:29] <kay> harlekin: Better run synaptic
[11:29] <kay> And yes, it works for everything
[11:29] <harlekin> ok
[11:29] <kay> Some 20000 things, if you have "universe" in your sources.list
[11:30] <morten> anyone know a pda that is well suported in Linux... (and kde/kubuntu)
[11:30] <harlekin> but synaptics is not in the system because i have the iso from the kubuntu site
[11:30] <kay> nmorse: Maybe they are not registered with something, well, and RAID and LVM are not from Debian, but Ubuntu, right?
[11:30] <kay> We should file a bug against that
[11:30] <morten> gdh: It worked :) Thanks!
[11:31] <gdh> cool =)
[11:31] <nmorse> Hmm, maybe we should, kay
[11:31] <gdh> there was a huge amount of effort spent on improving the boot speed
[11:31] <kay> I will, nmorse 
[11:32] <nmorse> hey kay, what version of gcj do you have installed?
[11:32] <gdh> and I'm sure people much more clever than I had decided that the LVM + RAID startup needed to be there as default..
[11:32] <nmorse> Bah, I hear people say it doesn't detect their RAID array all the time
[11:32] <nmorse> Not doing much good then, is it?
[11:33] <gdh> that's a fairly sweeping statement :)
[11:34] <nmorse> Yeah, but based on other people's experiences
[11:34] <nmorse> Every other day somone rants on about how they can't get Ubuntu to find the RAID array and that's why they can't use it
[11:35] <kay> gdh: But don't you want to boot from it already?
[11:35] <kay> gdh: What is done in init then anyway?
[11:36] <kay> BTW: I found this bug: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=966
[11:36] <mrmanic> morten: I think the sharp zaurus is well supported.
[11:36] <kay> You know, that is about madm running on non-RAID systems
[11:36] <mrmanic> morten: also, you might try an older ipaq or something.  pocketpc or pocketpc 2002, not windows mobile 2003, which messes with synce, I think.
[11:37] <nmorse> kay: are you using gcj-4.0 or 3.3?
[11:38] <morten> ok.. I'll try search the net for some info
[11:38] <kay> nmorse: 4.0
[11:39] <kay> Java is way better supported in that release
[11:39] <gdh> okie, mundane things are calling me.. bibi
[11:39] <kay> Btw, RAID boots up quick and silent here, I don't have it in the kernel and that is detected
[11:40] <nmorse> I'm using gcj-4.0 right now and I still can't get cgoban to run
[11:43] <kay> With LVM it is harder, you can just put "exit 0" in /etc/default/lvm-common though
[11:43] <kay> That silences it and makes it quick too
[11:44] <kay> nmorse: Are you on breezy?
[11:44] <nmorse> No, still on Hoary
[11:45] <kay> Try and make a chroot with debootstrap
[11:45] <kay> Dist-Upgrade that to Breezy
[11:45] <kay> And then enjoy running some programs from there as you see fit
[11:45] <nmorse> hmmm
[11:45] <kay> While remaining with a stable Hoary to run X, KDE, ...
[11:46] <kay> That's how I do it only my "stable" machine
[11:46] <nmorse> Not worth it, I'll just run with the non-free sun java
[11:46] <kay> This here is pure Breezy
[11:46] <kay> There are other advantages to Breezy for me, except being free :p
[11:47] <nmorse> Like?
[11:48] <kay> Tough question... most of all the latest toolchain for development
[11:48] <kay> Lightweight Java for running ant
[11:49] <kay> KDE is compiled with gcc 4 and feels faster :p
[11:49] <kay> Probably is not though...
[11:49] <kay> The xorg driver for i810, my notebook chip, is close to CVS
[11:50] <kay> Hm... KDE 3.4.1 is there
[11:50] <kay> (although that difference must be really minor to me so far)
[11:51] <nmorse> It's in the kubuntu.org repo too
[11:51] <kay> Latest amarok for my mp3 fun
[11:51] <kay> ah, most important
[11:51] <nmorse> I think I'm going to go back to python programming in a minute
[11:52] <kay> python 2.4
[11:52] <nmorse> I have python2.4 on hoary, I think
[11:52] <kay> lol, that was funny coincidence
[11:52] <toran> hey guys, have any of you gotten kmuddy working in [k] ubuntu?
[11:52] <kay> Well, the thing is, everything is now python2.4 here
[11:52] <nmorse> 2.4.1 is the python on Hoary
[11:53] <nmorse> Now Sun's Java has no idea about X11
[11:53] <kay> What do you mean with that?
[11:54] <nmorse> I mean it says it can't find X11
[11:54] <nmorse> Sun's SDK does
[11:54] <nmorse> No X11 DISPLAY variable was set
[11:54] <nmorse> Hmm, how to set that variable?
[11:55] <kay> hrm, you don't mean export DISPLAY=.... do you?
[11:56] <nmorse> I don't think so, but I don't do Java much
[11:56] <nmorse> It may use that variable, but I'm pretty sure it's set
[11:57] <nmorse> then again, echo $DISPLAY gives back nothing
[11:57] <kay> well, uhm, in a konsole?
[11:57] <nmorse> Yeah
[11:58] <nmorse> Now to remember what to set that to
[11:58] <harlekin> it does not work
[11:58] <kay> harlekin: ?
[11:58] <harlekin> he says that the package could not be found
[11:58] <harlekin> apt-get install linux-686
[11:59] <bobbyd> is there a way to capture from a v4l device with kino
[12:00] <kay> harlekin: on hoary?
[12:01] <harlekin> no on kubuntu bla
[12:01] <harlekin> there is no synaptic
[12:01] <kay> You need to have "restricted" in /etc/apt/sources.list