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| morgs | Time passes... | 04:28 |
| Kinnison | It is dark | 04:29 |
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| mdke | carlos, ping | 04:32 |
| carlos | mdke, pong | 04:32 |
| mdke | carlos, one of the portugese guys has just asked me a question about translation | 04:32 |
| carlos | which one? | 04:32 |
| mdke | carlos, he says the translations of the gnome menus are inaccurate, would you know where he can correct these? | 04:32 |
| mdke | joao | 04:33 |
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| mdke | carlos, meet joao | 04:34 |
| jalrnc | carlos: hi | 04:35 |
| carlos | jalrnc, hi | 04:35 |
| jalrnc | we are translating the quickguide as you know, and it makes references to application names that show up in the gnome menus | 04:35 |
| jalrnc | those application names in gnome already exist when we install portuguese support with ubuntu | 04:35 |
| jalrnc | 1. some of those names are not properly translated 2. we would like to have them corrected and so be consistent with quickguide | 04:35 |
| carlos | usually, the translation is stored inside the application | 04:35 |
| carlos | so for instance, if the Evolution translation is broken | 04:36 |
| carlos | you should fix it at:... | 04:36 |
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| carlos | koke, ! | 04:36 |
| koke | hi! | 04:36 |
| mdke | carlos, he was wondering whether it is best to translate in rosetta and then push upstream, or coordinate directly with upstream (gnome?) | 04:37 |
| jalrnc | carlos: so we should fix those names at each individual application, ok | 04:37 |
| koke | I'm planning to work on the FindingPackages goal, and I'll need some help from launchpad team | 04:37 |
| jalrnc | carlos: right | 04:37 |
| koke | can someone tell me what is this about https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/DoapSchemaNG ? | 04:38 |
| koke | I can't see it :) | 04:38 |
| carlos | hmmm, evolution is really slow in Rosetta.... we should improve its performance... | 04:38 |
| carlos | mdke, jalrnc: Well, you can use Rosetta and then send the updates to upstream | 04:39 |
| carlos | mdke, jalrnc usually is a good thing to coordinate with upstream that way the fix is shared | 04:39 |
| carlos | koke, morgs is your man | 04:39 |
| jalrnc | carlos: what's the best way to coordinate with upstream? | 04:39 |
| morgs | koke: I'm responsible for DoapSchemaNG... it's about extending the Launchpad product registry to allow multiple wikis, mailinglists, screenshot URLs, download URLs etc per product / productrelease etc. | 04:40 |
| jalrnc | carlos: lets say we fix it first in rosetta, what should we do next? or should we coordinate with upstream before start changing in rosetta? | 04:40 |
| morgs | koke: Not really major rocket science, just extending the launchpad database schema a bit. | 04:41 |
| koke | morgs: great, that's what I needed | 04:41 |
| carlos | jalrnc, the best solution is talk first with upstream | 04:41 |
| koke | I was wondering if you were working on it | 04:41 |
| morgs | koke: yes | 04:41 |
| carlos | jalrnc, and you can use Rosetta so Ubuntu gets the fix and then send the fixed .po file to upstream | 04:41 |
| koke | http://koke.amedias.org/img/g-a-i-mockup-2.png <-- I need to extract that metadata from somewhere | 04:42 |
| jalrnc | carlos: and by upstream you mean each application individually or gnome upstream? | 04:42 |
| carlos | jalrnc, if you want the fix in Ubuntu, you need to use Rosetta, but you don't need to use Rosetta to coordinate with upstream if you don't want to | 04:42 |
| jalrnc | carlos: ok | 04:42 |
| carlos | jalrnc, in GNOME case, the GNOME Portuguese team | 04:42 |
| koke | morgs: but some I'll need also information about available versions in diferent releases of ubuntu. Is this possible from DOAP-ng ? | 04:43 |
| carlos | evolution was not a good choice as example... | 04:43 |
| jalrnc | carlos: ok, should those menu names be fixed in each indivual application individually or in gnome? | 04:44 |
| carlos | jalrnc, those menu names come from the application | 04:44 |
| jalrnc | carlos: ok | 04:44 |
| carlos | so you need to fix them individually | 04:44 |
| morgs | koke: Hmm. All the data is in the database, but it is "part" of different systems - so the versions in Ubuntu are part of the "soyuz" part of launchpad. | 04:44 |
| jalrnc | got it | 04:45 |
| Kinnison | I'm not convinced you want to know the different versions available | 04:45 |
| Kinnison | unless they're in your apt sources | 04:45 |
| Kinnison | in which case the info is available by interrogating apt | 04:45 |
| koke | morgs: I know. What I need is a rdf file for all that data, it will be processed at the client | 04:45 |
| jalrnc | I'll discuss with my team weather we want to fix it in rosetta, but I think we do, and we'll definitely coordinate with upstream | 04:45 |
| morgs | koke: Another project w.r.t. DOAP is to publish project/product/productseries/productrelease information in RDF/XML format - like the real DOAP upstream project. | 04:46 |
| jalrnc | carlos, mdke: thanks! | 04:46 |
| morgs | koke: the RDF publishing is targeted at being implemented by July 6. | 04:46 |
| morgs | "Launchpad 1.0" | 04:46 |
| mdke | cheers carlos | 04:46 |
| koke | morgs: I can manage the files in another place for development and integrate with launchpad then | 04:46 |
| morgs | It will include the basic Freshmeat-type details in RDF - basically representing the "upstream" versions of the products, not the ubuntu versions. | 04:47 |
| carlos | jalrnc, no, thank you! | 04:47 |
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| carlos | mdke, cheers | 04:47 |
| koke | morgs: maybe the final solution will imply to have those files in another place but taking the data from launchpad | 04:47 |
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| morgs | koke: I'm not sure what you mean by "in another place", but the basic idea is that a product in launchpad is at https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/products/foo, and you will find the RDF at https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/products/foo/+rdf | 04:49 |
| morgs | It will have a list of product releases (I'm oversimplifying but basically...) and each release will have the URL where you can download the RDF for that release. | 04:49 |
| koke | morgs: I have to spec what I need in that file and I'll tell you to see if it fits on launchpad plans | 04:50 |
| morgs | like https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/products/foo/+series/stable/1.0.1/+rdf | 04:50 |
| morgs | koke: I can mail you a preliminary example of the RDF files - still subject to change at this stage but will give you an idea... | 04:51 |
| koke | and any way to match which version is on a specific ubuntu release? | 04:51 |
| koke | morgs: great :) | 04:51 |
| Kinnison | koke: Soyuz RDF hasn't even been specced at all yet | 04:52 |
| morgs | koke: Hmm. It just gives "upstream" releases. | 04:52 |
| koke | Kinnison: that would be done by soyuz rdf?? | 04:52 |
| Kinnison | koke: Well, if you care about what is in a distro yes | 04:52 |
| Kinnison | soyuz is all the distro-related stuff | 04:52 |
| koke | ok | 04:52 |
| koke | that's what I meant with "in another place" | 04:53 |
| Kinnison | So you'd be looking for something like: /distros/ubuntu/hoary/foosourcepackage/+rdf | 04:53 |
| Kinnison | but that's way off | 04:53 |
| morgs|afk | back in a bit... | 04:53 |
| koke | Kinnison: maybe, just some way to be able to discover from a doap rdf which version of that product is availble in each ubuntu release | 04:54 |
| Kinnison | it'd be not-right to look via doap for that I don't think | 04:55 |
| Kinnison | but we've not got completely tight distro<->upstream linkage in the db yet | 04:55 |
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| koke | bradb: is there any way to list all the bugs for a package? | 06:15 |
| koke | or is planned to be? | 06:15 |
| bradb | koke: there have been a few requests for it (i've wanted to use it too :). how about if we made "All Bugs" one of the search "quick links"? | 06:16 |
| bradb | if you had a different expectation of how it would be done, please feel free to tell me about it | 06:17 |
| koke | bradb: just like https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/distros/ubuntu, but https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/products/foo | 06:18 |
| koke | an url for a "show bugs of package foo" | 06:18 |
| bradb | /malone/products/foo already works | 06:18 |
| bradb | do you mean /distros/ubuntu/+packages/somepackage and /distros/ubuntu/hoary/+packages/somepackage or something like that? | 06:19 |
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| koke | bradb: yep, something like that | 06:23 |
| bradb | koke: i feel it would be useful too. you can likely expect that kind of thing to land a little bit after 1.0. | 06:24 |
| koke | ok | 06:25 |
| carlos | bradb, isn't it what /distros/ubuntu/+packages/somepackage/+bugs is for? | 06:26 |
| carlos | I suppose it's not implemented yet :-) | 06:26 |
| bradb | correct ;) | 06:27 |
| carlos | but I think we talked about it at UDU | 06:27 |
| carlos | bradb, isn't it a 1.0 goal? | 06:27 |
| bradb | we talked about it as early as cape town, just didn't prioritize it for 1.0. | 06:27 |
| carlos | bradb, it's part of launchpadmenus, isn't it? | 06:27 |
| bradb | carlos: no. | 06:27 |
| bradb | not that i'm aware of. | 06:27 |
| carlos | oh, ok | 06:27 |
| bradb | which isn't saying that it for sure isn't, but just that if it /is/, i didn't know that was a required part of making LP menus work | 06:28 |
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