[12:01] jbailey: ping === hunger [~hunger@p54A652A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["...] [12:08] Lathiat: apparently someone else has experienced this: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10900 [12:08] Lathiat: the installer certainly doesn't intend to add fstab entries for a flash drive; perhaps it is being treated as a CD-ROM [12:09] Lathiat: please send a copy of the fstab after install to Bugzilla if you find one [12:12] mdz, jbailey says he's going to try to tackle libxerces2-java tomorrow. I am out of time this week for it. [12:12] wasabi_: I fixed it today === haggai [~halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-22.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === shaya [~spotter@dyn-160-39-250-243.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128_ [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-61-2.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] http://gtkperf.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=testing&id=1 [12:33] ^ site has an ubuntu logo on it ;) [12:34] jdub: a nice one too [12:34] wow. [12:35] daniels: where is XRes.h ?? === jlje is now known as jlj [12:35] boooog [12:36] seb128, my pbuilder doesnt find Xlibs.h anymore since today [12:37] i can confirm that. [12:37] Xlib.h rather. [12:37] same goes for Xutil.h [12:38] daniels has declared .h files useless, that's it? :) [12:38] my guess is that x11proto-gl-dev (and probably atleast one more) lags behind. [12:38] they are there.. just beeing moved around. [12:38] seb128: he's a c++ programer? [12:38] :) [12:38] seb128: they are at /usr/X11R6/include/X11 [12:39] seb128, yeah, looks like [12:40] btw, on the wiki anywhere is there a plan that describes what's going on with X and why? [12:40] uniq: XRes.h is not [12:40] I'm just curious [12:40] uniq, yes... [12:45] seb128: yes, xres.h is gone. [12:45] daaaaanieeeeel [12:47] seb128: does he highlight that? ;-) [12:47] not sure :) [12:47] he probably should ;-) [12:48] and wire his alarmclock to it ;-) === Arrogance [~aks@CPE0013104c07d6-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] hello [12:50] I've rewritten chattr and included user-friendly argp command line parser [12:50] I was wondering if anyone would be interested in taking a look [12:51] zyga : you seem to be very busy with scrips [12:51] heh [12:51] lsuactiafner: ? [12:51] your mplayer-rtc seems to have improved my sync [12:51] lsuactiafner: thats good to hear [12:51] i think it was you.. [12:51] lsuactiafner: yes [12:51] watched a movie today and could lip read [12:52] lsuactiafner: but that script is very questionable as I've learned (bad way to do what I wanted to do) [12:52] didnt notice the out of sync was that bad before since i watch anime mostly [12:53] worksforme(tm) [12:53] and i'm critical of most packages [12:53] lsuactiafner: you don't have a centrino cpu ;-) [12:54] ah ok hehehe [12:54] cat /proc/cpuinfo ; if not centrino then go ahead.. [12:55] actually if I could detect that speedstep stuff this way that would be enough [12:58] allee: Hi [12:59] mjg59: hi ... [01:00] mjg59: where is the translation in xkb/symbol/* of: key (like ) to keycode (of xev) defined? Once I knew :( [01:00] allee: That's based on your keymap [01:00] xkb sets it [01:00] The kernel gets a scancode from the keyboard. It turns that into a keycode and gives it to X. X uses its xkb table to turn that into a keysym. [01:02] mjg59: o/~ the thigh bone's connected to the knee bone... o/~ [01:02] mjg59: the way of the event is clear to me. but I miss what to use for key to get out the right keycode keysym combo === vuntz is now known as vuntz|zZz [01:03] mdz, oh what did you do? [01:03] mjg59: I did it once year ago but can't find it :( [01:03] allee: I'm not quite sure what you mean [01:04] The keycode keysym combination is keymap specific [01:04] mjg59: status: I have the keycode (from xev). I know the XF86 from XF86symdef.h (or so) ... [01:06] mjg59: but to write add a map in xkb/inet I to find the translation table keycode -> key . [01:07] allee: Look under /etc/X11/xkb [01:07] wasabi_: I had it build against the dom2 stuff in libjaxp1.2-java (you don't read ubuntu-changes?) [01:07] mjg59: done. but I check again. [01:07] wasabi_: unfortunately ecj wouldn't compile it, so it's still using jikes at the moment [01:09] allee: I don't pretend to understand xkb. It's a complicated specification. [01:09] mjg59: me too :( [01:10] wasabi_: I got a very weird failure on libbsf-java: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/libb/libbsf-java/1:2.3.0+cvs20050308-1ubuntu2/libbsf-java_1:2.3.0+cvs20050308-1ubuntu2_20050607-2349-i386-failed.gz [01:10] mjg59: nevertheless it drives me cracy that I cant find the keycode defs of etc :( [01:10] all I did was remove the jython deps and test that it still built locally === allee hits head at the wall. xkb/keycodes/xfree86 is it. [01:15] mjg59: thx for making me search twice. Now I can produce a xkb symbol file :) === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.160.45] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-229-188-97.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] good night, have a nice evening === SquishyWaffle [~GTaylor@130-127-67-44.lehotsky.clemson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SquishyWaffle [~GTaylor@130-127-67-44.lehotsky.clemson.edu] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [01:30] mdz, I don't tend to read nor pay that much attention to anything while at work all day. ;) [01:30] But I do idle in IRC and read/say things as my nick hilights === lu|away [~louie@c-66-31-46-131.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hondje [~hondje@c-67-174-186-96.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jnc [~jnc@c-67-184-244-31.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eazel7 [~ezequiel@host184.201-252-83.telecom.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] hi ppl === hondje [~hondje@c-67-174-186-96.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [01:39] night everybody [01:41] mdz: pong [01:42] jbailey: looking for updates on EarlyUserspace, especially the hook for LTSP and getting hotplug or hotplug-ng going [01:44] mdz: I worked out with Fabio this morning how we're going to make it so that you can use initramfs with an option in /etc/kernel-img.conf. I have some test hooks in my local tree right now but they just execute whatever scripts in a directory unordered, which I think won't work. For the hotplug stuff, there's bits in 2.6.12-rc6 which Fabio is working on tomorrow that allow you to just feed that info to mod [01:44] probe to load the right driver. [01:45] mdz: So there should be no need for hotplug-ng in the initramfs at all. [01:46] mdz: Also, I have mdadm tentatively working, but there's a segfault that wants 1.0.10 at least to fix (or a fix backported that I looked at this afternoon before I ran out) [01:46] I've listed in the EarlyUserspace spec all the configs I think we have to support and a status beside them. === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:50] mdz: I also looked at what it would take to use busybox + uclibc. busybox's modprobe doesn't support ppc64 and uclibc doesn't have the pieces for hppa, ia64 or x86-64. It looks like I can get it down to about 400k with the features that I need, though. === CarlFK [~CarlK@c-67-163-11-11.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [~zyga@87-mia-9.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === svenl_ [~luther@AStrasbourg-251-1-59-131.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:03] <\sh> good night folks :) === xuzo [~xuzo@81-203-43-239.user.ono.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Abandonando"] [02:23] mdz: 10463: fixed in breezy postfix, I believe... is that worth a hoary-updates? === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont heads of to the FD meeting === tseng [~tseng@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jnc [~jnc@c-67-184-244-31.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [~anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [~agp@cm-80.111.99.032.chello.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SloMo_ [~slomo@p5487F3B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:22] jbailey: what are the bits in 2.6.12-rc6 like? a tool which scans the various buses and calls modprobe? [03:23] jbailey: how is it different from hotplug-ng or hotplug? [03:24] hotplug-ng is just a hotplug bit that accepts the calls from kernelspace. hotplug includes a bunch of 'coldplug' scripts that walk the bus and sorts out what should be loaded when. [03:25] Those were going to be ported to hotplug-ng, but in the annoucement of v002 on lkml he mentioned this new thing for coldplugging. [03:25] (fetching) [03:26] http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/5/6/101 === CarlFK [~CarlK@c-67-163-11-11.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:27] It appears to put all the information needed into sysfs. Because fabio's uploading -rc6, it semes to make sense to take a look at it before moving all the old hotplug scripts into the initramfs. === bskahan [~bskahan@pool-70-18-205-112.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:44] jdub: what's happening with your X? [03:44] daniels: keyboard seems non-functional once X starts [03:45] daniels: though, i haven't remotely killed it to see if it still works at the console after the fact [03:45] hold on, i'll try [03:45] oh [03:45] that's great [03:45] screen goes blank, doesn't chvt, and ctrl-alt-fx doesn't work [03:54] er, wack [03:54] send me your log and I'll do what I can [03:55] got to drop offline for a little bit now, back in ~1hr [03:58] jdub: I've had that problem before myself [03:58] (with breezy) [03:58] but I'm back on safe old hoary now ;) === Keybuk dies at the LugRadio "Ubuntu Jingle" [04:01] ha ha === camilotelles [~Camilo@200164023217.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:03] Ubuntu Jingle? [04:03] UM-BONGO! [04:04] this i gotta hear [04:05] it's just under an hour into Season 2, Episode 13 [04:06] gotcha === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:13] i know, we'll call it ubuntu! [04:13] thats brilliant. [04:14] it makes a lot more sense if you got the Umbungo TV adverts, I guess [04:19] oh my god [04:22] jbailey: won't we need hotplugging functionality anyway, in order to handle e.g. USB? [04:25] mdz: The only case I can think of was someone racing to plug their USB device in that's required for boot after the initramfs had started and before the bit needing the device ran. [04:25] Aside from that, the system hotplug should deal with it when it fires up. [04:30] Food time [04:55] jbailey: I'm more interested in, e.g., USB keyboards [04:55] which need to be activated as early as possible for debugging and recovery === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-66.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:03] jdub: fridge! [05:03] whipppprush [05:04] hey whiprush [05:04] so much news lately ... need ... place ... to ... post .... [05:04] heya luis, aj. [05:04] hrm === stub [~stub@203-217-37-199.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:04] there was something I wanted to steal you away from ubuntu for [05:04] but now I can't remember what it was [05:04] :) [05:04] me? [05:04] whew! [05:04] yeah [05:04] :) === send [~WinNT@221.218.42.179] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:06] mdz: Right, but the coldplugging pass should cover all those. [05:06] Hmm. [05:06] I guess there could be a cryptroot or debug setup where the user gets prompted for a password and discovers at that point that they need a keyboard handy. === syndicate rols@ jorge === chris38-home [~Christian@LNeuilly-152-22-2-96.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:43] jdub: ping. [05:43] FRIDGE [05:44] FRIDGE [05:44] put your drinks in the fridge bob2 [05:44] whiprush: I would if there WAS ONE. [05:45] Well, I'm ready to give out the drinks. [05:45] morning [05:45] mdz: ping? [05:46] bob2: hmmm, jdub is running a prototype off his dsl just running drupal. [05:49] bob2: think he'll mind if I set up a prototype on a proper host and get people started on stuff? [05:50] last time I spoke for jdub I ended up in the bottom of sydney harbour with concrete shoes [05:50] the hair float you back up? [05:50] fortunately [05:50] but I don't know if I'd be so lucky the second time! [05:51] "Luckily the air was trapped in my hair so I could survive long enough to be rescued. I'll get you Jeff Waugh!" [05:55] *brrrrrruh* [05:55] hi bob2 [05:55] aloha [05:56] yay, a new bazaar package === scorpix [~scorpix@195.226.237.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:56] shiny! NEW! [05:56] is there a proper changelog in it somewhere? [05:57] whiprush: i'm with you === lu|away is now known as lu|sleep [05:58] been fixing this iSCSI drive [05:58] r === Jormundgand [~jormundga@cpc1-oxfd4-4-0-cust11.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:13] Could we get some bugfixes backported from Firefox Deer Park alpha 1? [06:15] if there are serious existing bugs in the bts on firefox, which are fixed in a later version, please post patches to the bugs === johanbr [~j@d154-20-188-189.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:20] mako: are you mako@ubuntu.com ? [06:21] bob2: Easier said than done, unfortunately. I am by no standards a programmer, and I'm certainly not equipped to tackle something the size of Firefox. [06:28] mdz: its not a lash drive, its a 200GB external hard drive === diego [~diego@ppp-70-247-199-204.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:37] jdub: any luck with the log? [06:39] mdz: *flash [06:57] lifeless: umm.. yes [06:57] have you had correspondence from Aldo ? [06:57] lifeless: why? [06:58] lifeless: i send like 200+ messages a day [06:58] random I want to be a developer and have cd's email landed in my mailbox [06:58] want to flick it to you [06:58] lifeless: go ahead, i looked in my sent mail and didn't see anything [06:58] done [06:59] thanks [07:02] hey mako! [07:10] i'm off to sleep === spo0nman [~pankaj@spo0nman.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Echylo [~echylo@84-179.245.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:17] fabbione: yes? [07:17] mdz: busy? [07:17] Lathiat: they use exactly the same driver, you see [07:17] fabbione: going to bed shortly [07:17] mdz: yeh :) [07:18] mdz: i'll let you know [07:18] mdz: eheh ok.. [07:23] Kamion: I could really use a way to tell ssh to close the connection when the command exits, rather than allowing x11 forwards to linger open. is there any way to do that? === bskahan [~bskahan@pool-70-18-205-112.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:30] mdz: could just -f it ? === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:31] mdz: theres also -& "Background ssh at logout whenw aiting for forwarded connetion/X11 sessiosn to terminate" [07:31] oh, actually, thats a ~ escape thing, my bad === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax7-039.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stuNNed_ [~implosion@69.17.126.228] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-229-188-97.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:19] i think i missed the end of the meeting :D [08:19] right as i was about to talk my internet died and stayed dead for 6 hours === johanbr [~j@d154-20-188-189.bchsia.telus.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === pitti [~pitti@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:37] Morning [08:37] morning [08:38] morning === jahor [jahor@wrt.sh.cvut.cz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bskahan [~bskahan@pool-70-18-205-112.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [~Simira@140.80-202-212.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shawarma [~sh@193.108.190.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [~herzi@d023121.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mirv [~tajyrink@Mirv.active.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === uggwar [~cs@cm-84.118.142.115.chello.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.124] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === uggwar [~cs@cm-84.118.142.115.chello.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mirv [~tajyrink@Mirv.active.supporter.pdpc] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === JaneW [~JaneW@wbs-146-178-239.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:31] hi JaneW [09:35] Hi JaneW [09:35] ajmitch: Hi, what's new in selinux land? :) [09:39] pitti: selinux patches may start landing in debian soon, i hope :) === chmj [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:42] I haven't talked with manoj about it yet, and I've got to finish off the 0.76 pam patching === dand [~dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martink [~martin@p54B3A71D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-22.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:07] jsgotangco: awake? [10:07] hi sabdfl [10:07] hi guys [10:07] morning sabdfl [10:08] whiprush, hey [10:08] hey sabdfl [10:08] morning sabdfl [10:08] sure im awake its only 4pm [10:08] heh [10:08] jsgotangco: I have a cool fridge/docteam idea I need to run by you. I'm editing the spec, gimme a few minutes. [10:08] sure [10:09] morning sabdfl, fabbione [10:09] hey simira! [10:09] ill continue listening to my weird japanese heavy metal cd then [10:09] Simira: how are you feeling? [10:10] sabdfl: well, I've got a serious cold, but else I'm fine. When are you leaving for Bergen? Saturday? === Simira reminds of Mithrandir's birthday today: http://www.simira.net/files/IMG_0249.jpg [10:11] ah, thanks for the reminder, i'll sing Happy Birthday on #canonical :-) [10:11] hi ajmitch/pitti [10:12] err is that a lego set? [10:12] hi Simira :) [10:12] hey fabbione! [10:12] jsgotangco: Mindstorms [10:12] sabdfl: how is life in uk today? [10:12] whoa [10:13] fabbione: blue blue skies, so of course i'm flying out this afternoon to Galicia [10:13] sabdfl: ah cool :) [10:13] Simira: cute! is that from you? === fabbione would like to get there too ;) [10:13] fabbione: to mars? or galicia? [10:13] both :) [10:13] heh [10:13] sabdfl: are we meeting up at the school on saturday? [10:14] JaneW: me, and a few others. Mindstorms + MArs exploration expansion [10:14] but galicia would be a good start ;) === JaneW makes note to remember to go collect visa... [10:14] Simira: my son would love that! === Mithrandir chuckles and blushes [10:14] heh i would love a set of mindstorms as well [10:14] (for myself) [10:15] JaneW: you should bring him when you're coming to Oslo, then ;) [10:15] HAPPY BIRTHDAY Mithrandir ! [10:15] Simira: shame I wish I could... [10:15] thanks JaneW :-) [10:15] Mithrandir, Maligayang Bati sa iyong Kaarawan (happy birthday) === vuntz|home is now known as vuntz [10:18] Mithrandir: happy birthday :) === RemoteViewer [~555@stan.physik.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dieman [~dieman@3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chesty [~chesty@unconcerned.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Micksa [~mslade@203-217-18-166.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lifeless [~robertc@dsl-116.12.240.220.rns02-kent-syd.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HrdwrBoB [~matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === scorpix [~scorpix@195.226.237.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kent [~kent@c-bdc871d5.432-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [~mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch [~ajmitch@port162-41.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CarlFK [~CarlK@c-67-163-11-11.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === send [~WinNT@221.218.42.179] has joined #ubuntu-devel === susus [~sz@p5089F104.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [~ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === |QuaD- [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spo0nman [~pankaj@global-pix1.bangalore.corp.yahoo.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [~JaneW@wbs-146-178-239.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === smurfix [~smurf@smurfix.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [~james@203-59-196-1.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bpuccio [~brian@ool-18b91a74.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elbi [~elbi@cpe.atm2-0-1071006.0x50a0824e.abnxx3.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] hmm === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-15-72.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:24] jsgotangco: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/TheFridge [10:24] see the "Original Content" section. === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:27] Mithrandir: gratulerer med dagen :) [10:27] whiprush, we have a wiki transition at the moment where henrik is in charge [10:27] whiprush, but the end result of the transition is that we'll have clean docs [10:28] excellent. [10:28] obviously we don't want to do this in the middle of the wiki transition. [10:29] i'll revisit this option once the wiki transition is done and the fridge can be viewed [10:29] okey. [10:34] whiprush, the spec is awesome i'm sold on it heh [10:34] I have more ideas I'm adding. [10:34] I was sleeping then got motivated for some reason (It's 4:30am here.) [10:35] yes i notice you are still awake === Matt0 [matt@matt0.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Matt0 [matt@matt0.user] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:41] Kamion: got a minute to talk about CD-ROMs in pmount vs. fstab? === \sh [~shermann@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [~hunger@195.143.232.242] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [~hunger@195.143.232.242] has left #ubuntu-devel ["...] === koke__ [~koke@155.210.13.152] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke__ is now known as koke [11:12] wow, first kernel vuln in a while [11:14] Lathiat: ? [11:14] he certainly means the USN released this morning [11:15] indeed [11:15] oh you unleashed it this morning :) [11:15] that makes sense [11:15] hah [11:15] fabbione: sorry, the build took a while and I sort of forget about it yesterday evening [11:15] ahah [11:15] fabbione: I hacked at the alsa hotplug stuff for ours, who thinks about security at that time .. :-) [11:16] s/ours/hours/ *cough* [11:16] so bets are open to see how many people will get an unbootable system === bpuccio [~brian@ool-18b91a74.dyn.optonline.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:16] haha === echylo_ [~echylo@84-179.245.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:28] hello === Reza_M [~reza@217.218.35.1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:28] Hi zyga [11:29] pitti: I rewritten part of e2fsprogs utils [11:29] pitti: to be more user friendly [11:29] uh, which? === jane_ [~JaneW@wbs-146-178-239.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:30] I'm targeting all misc/ utilities (like chattr lsattr and so on) [11:30] right now I've finished chattra and sent the code to the maintainer I've found on the man page [11:30] (no response yet) [11:31] I've added argp - it's now more like proper CLI tool [11:31] (old version was really bad here) [11:32] if newer udev no longer has a /.dev dir, dosn't /dev/MAKEDEV needs to be updated as well (it checks for /.dev to detect udev)? [11:32] I'd be cool if ubuntu could get my improvements :) [11:39] mdz: ssh> short of the ~& escape mentioned, I don't see a way to do that, I'm afraid [11:43] <\sh> hmm... [11:44] <\sh> when I'm using #include and then using std::numeric_limitsmax() will it give me on 32bit and 64bit the maximum of int depending on the arch? [11:45] \sh: on amd64 int is still 32 bits [11:46] \sh: size_t will be 64 bits, long will be 64 bits but int stays 32 [11:46] <\sh> ok...i will explain the other way around [11:46] <\sh> right now, the source is using stdint.h [11:47] <\sh> anjd trying to use INT64_MAX and INT32_MAX [11:47] <\sh> when I compile this code with g++-4 it's complaining that those defines are not declared in this scope [11:48] <\sh> so now, i'm trying to rewrite this section with real c++ code [11:48] <\sh> using limits should help me.. [11:48] hmm macros have global scope, don't they? [11:48] <\sh> zyga: # define INT64_MAX (__INT64_C(9223372036854775807)) [11:48] <\sh> this is the define in stdint.h [11:48] right [11:49] strange... what does the compiler say? [11:49] as for the proper-c++-method of doing this === robertj [~rcaskey@cai17.music.uga.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:49] I'm not a c++ developer but your limits approach sounds good [11:49] I just don't understand one thing [11:49] <\sh> zyga: that INT64_MAX was not declared in this scope [11:50] <\sh> funny thing is, u have to define another conditional define to include those defines [11:50] <\sh> and it is [11:50] \sh: what package? [11:50] <\sh> warped [11:50] <\sh> there is a patch from debian [11:50] <\sh> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=268250 [11:51] <\sh> but this is not working either [11:51] ooh, i got copy/paste working in smeg [11:51] does std::numeric_limitsmax() work? [11:51] now to make it worth having [11:51] <\sh> zyga: i don't know..i want to try it [11:51] <\sh> let me try the c++ solution [11:51] \sh: do you want different value based on current arch? [11:51] pitti: sure ... [11:52] Kamion: mdz, ogra, and me had a short discussion yesterday about this CD-ROM issue [11:52] pitti: the main thing is that /cdrom is used before pmount is installed [11:52] <\sh> zyga: well, warped defines [11:52] <\sh> const warped64_t warped64Max = INT64_MAX; [11:52] <\sh> const warped64_t warped64Min = INT64_MIN; [11:52] <\sh> const warped64_t warped32Max = INT32_MAX; [11:52] <\sh> const warped64_t warped32Min = INT32_MIN; [11:52] Kamion: are there issues with removing the cdrom stuff from fstab? [11:52] Kamion: ah, for apt-cdrom and the like? [11:53] yes [11:53] hm, true [11:53] \sh: I see - well you might as well try to get those #defines working [11:53] nowadays that's in the first stage, in fact, before the first reboot [11:53] \sh: they are probably regarded as 'evil' since they have global scope ;-) [11:53] although mind you, apt-setup does 'mount $CDDEV /cdrom' or some such [11:53] mvo: would apt-cdrom be able to deal without an fstab entry? === jdthood [jdthood@x105.decis.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:54] ah, but it looks in fstab to find the device [11:54] <\sh> zyga: yes Iwill :) but it breaks on all archs :) and the debian patch breaks, too...so I need another solution..as we're speaking about c++ lets try the c++ way [11:54] I think we might run into trouble in situations where the device is not just /dev/cdrom [11:54] Kamion: hm, right [11:54] just trying to work out if that ever happens [11:54] Kamion: although it equally breaks on my system where the actual CD-ROM is _not_ /dev/cdrom nor /cdrom either [11:54] 855resolution (or better a Version compatible with 915) should go into main - seams to be needed very often... [11:54] pitti: not right now [11:55] hmm [11:55] pitti: do you have /dev/cdrom ? [11:55] pitti: let me try a quick install test with removable media support killed from partman-target [11:56] Kamion: hm, it's a special case either way (try to mount /dev/cdrom or /cdrom) [11:56] (on ubuntu I never had /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd created) [11:56] pitti: what is the actual problem with having it in fstab? I've never quite understod [11:56] +o [11:56] zyga: yes, but I also have a /dev/cdrom1 and a /dev/cdrw, and my usual drive is the cdrw one [11:56] Kamion: oh, it's just to support changing hardware better [11:56] pitti: what would apt have to do to find a cdrom? what steps/dependencies would be involved? [11:56] pitti: strange... something must be buggy here I guess [11:57] mvo: well, on my system it seems to try to mount /cdrom [11:57] mvo: which fails, because the CD is in /media/cdrom1 [11:57] pitti: what creates those links? I have none {cdrom,cdrw,dvd} ? [11:57] mvo: so instead of trying to mount /cdrom, maybe it could try to mount /dev/cd* until it finds a Debian CD? [11:57] zyga: udev [11:58] Kamion, mvo: if we manage to drop this hardcoded /cdrom from apt-cdrom, we might be able to drop the CD-ROMs from fstab at all and even make the stuff work on multi-CD systems, too [11:59] pitti: I guess part of what concerns me is that, if we rely entirely on pmount for this, we screw over server installs. Servers have CD drives too ... [11:59] and pmount is only in desktop [11:59] pitti: also /dev/dvd* [11:59] pitti: oh well it's broken then [11:59] pitti: if it depends on pmount I wouldn't want to do it. debian will probably not follow us here (at least not yet) [11:59] Kamion: well, apt-cdrom needs sudo anyway, so it could just use mount? [11:59] I got /media/cdrom and /media/cdrom0 but nothing in /dev [12:00] Kamion: I didn't thing about using pmount in apt-cdrom [12:00] pitti: that only works for aptable CDs [12:00] pitti: people want to mount CDs that we did not make, surprisingly enough ;-) [12:00] ah, ok [12:00] hm, fair point [12:00] and 'mount /cdrom' is a traditional way to do it [12:00] which I'm quite reluctant to break [12:00] we didn't think about that yesterday, we thought it was an easy thing to do [12:00] right, that should work === scorpix_ [~scorpix@as17-25.qualitynet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:01] alright, then let's keep it like it is now === bskahan [~bskahan@pool-70-18-205-112.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:04] pitti: isn't udev supposed to create a /dev/cdrom symlink in a sensible place? [12:04] Kamion: actually yes (it has worked fine for me since warty on my boxes) [12:05] pitti: ah, I guess partman-target is using the canonical device names rather than /dev/cdrom [12:05] pitti: would it help if I made it use /dev/cdrom etc. if available? [12:05] Kamion: I don't know in general, but it wouldn't help to unbreak apt-cdrom on my system at least [12:06] well, unbreak is too harsh [12:06] make it work better [12:06] pitti: it would seem to help with the hardware-changing case [12:06] Kamion: yes, for this use case it does [12:07] Kamion: not for the case where sb has more than one drive, but it shouldn't hurt either then === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.39.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zeedo [~zeedo@www.reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] pitti: I think I could make apt smarter about multiple cdroms. if it importend for us I can spend a bit of time on it [12:11] pitti: it's a matter of checking /dev/{cd*,dvd*}? [12:12] mvo: it's not really a biggie, but if it could become smarter, that would rock [12:12] mvo: it should iterate through all /dev/cd* and dvd*, try to mount, check if it's an Ubuntu CD and unmount if it isn't === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] mvo: the mountpoint does not necessarily need to be /cdrom, right? It could be /var/foo/cdrom, as in the installer [12:13] mvo: so at least apt-cdrom would not depend on an fstab entry any more [12:15] could just be /media/$devicetail [12:15] which would fit with where (I think) Debian wants to go [12:16] that should be possible [12:17] Kamion: so if we had only one fstab entry for /dev/cdrom, that would reasonably cover the hw changing, too AFAICS [12:17] until apt supports this, it's probably best to have the installer use /dev/cdrom only if that matches the drive your CD is actually in [12:17] right === bskahan [~bskahan@pool-70-18-205-112.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [~koke@155.210.13.152] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [~ealden@219.90.91.117] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] Kamion, don't forget people who have dvd-drives only, (if that matters) [12:29] HiddenWolf: I have, and I still have /dev/cdrom === susus [~sz@p5089E538.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [~ogra@p5089E538.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] HiddenWolf: udev has not forgotten them ;-) === Kamion is a big fan of delegation === thom shakes his fist at gnome-session segfaulting on ia64 [12:34] thom: are running ubuntu on ia64? [12:35] if so does our kernel actually work? [12:36] running the 2.6.10-5 kernel [12:36] seems fine === Reza_M [~reza@217.218.35.1] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === KaiL_ [KaiL@p548F7CAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:47] so [12:47] warty amd64 was NPTL, right? [12:47] like every other debian-related amd64 port? [12:48] amd64 never had LinuxThreads [12:48] (AFAIK) [12:48] that's what I thought === aapelii [~akaariai@cs181082055.pp.htv.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aapelii [~akaariai@cs181082055.pp.htv.fi] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:56] thom: ah cool [12:56]