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mjg59lamont__: Hello12:58
lamont__mjg59: was wondering after the state of the various suspend/sleep/snooze/nap modes on the nc6000 with stock hoary and with the custom CD...01:02
lamont__and getting ready to run out the door, sadly01:02
mjg59lamont__: Should work fine, you might need to blacklist i2c_i80101:03
lamont__hrm.. I sense an echo.... coolnes.01:03
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fabbionemorning05:38
zulevening05:41
fabbionehi zul05:45
zulfabbione: i have a first version of linux-non-supported-modules ill put the *.gz and debian/ directory in baz tomorrow, well make the *.gz accesible, im having problems generating the amd64 stuff debs though05:45
fabbione.gz???05:45
zuli put all the drivers in a tar.gz file05:46
fabbionewhy?=05:46
zulhow would you do it?05:46
fabbioneput them directly in a .deb?05:46
zullinux-non-supported-modules-2.6.12-1-386_2.6.12-1_i386.deb 05:47
fabbioneso where the tar.gz comes from?05:47
zulheh its still a work in progress05:47
zuli created a directory with the external drivers and tarred it up05:48
fabbionethere is very little point in tarring it up05:48
fabbioneyou can just move the modules in a dir and create the deb out of it05:48
zulwell i discovered that when i was doing it05:48
zul:)05:48
fabbioneyeah but that's the way you really want to do it05:49
fabbione:)05:49
zul:P05:49
fabbionebut don't worry.. just finish what you are doing05:49
fabbionei will give it a clean afterwards :)05:49
zulyeah its my first real deb 05:49
fabbioneehehhe05:49
fabbionedon05:49
zulgee thanks :)05:49
fabbionedon't worry05:49
fabbioneyou are doing a great job05:49
zulill get the hang of it eventually...ebuilds were so much easier ;)05:49
zulstill evil though05:50
zuloh yeah i have another interview next week05:50
zuli need to learn about sybase though :(05:51
fabbioneamen05:52
fabbionesybase sucks05:52
fabbione:)05:52
zulit looks like postgresql though...am reading sybase 10105:53
fabbioneeheh05:54
fabbionei am pushing the orig.tar.gz for rc6 on people.u.c05:55
fabbioneit will take a little while05:55
zulk cool..05:55
zulim thinking of a way to get kdb with the kernels without having to enable config_debug05:55
infinitySybase is simple.05:56
zullooks like it05:56
zulbbl06:04
fabbionelater06:06
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fabbionethe orig diff.gz and dsc for 2.6.11.94 are in the usual place06:45
zul686-dbg is only 147M07:03
zul:)07:03
zuli think i fixed my puter freezing07:04
zuldisable xscreensaver07:06
fabbioneoh 07:07
zulnight...my wife starts to have panic attacks if she wakes up and im not there07:14
fabbionegood night zul07:15
=== lamont grumbles at fabbione for bumping the linux-source-2.6.12 build-desp
lamontbuild-deps even07:22
lamont.94 is -rc6?07:22
fabbionehey lamont07:23
fabbioneyes it's rc607:23
lamontok07:23
lamontI should have an hppa merge sometime this week, I expect07:23
fabbionelamont: i had to bump build-deps07:23
fabbionei know i could have make them more arch specific07:23
fabbionebut it's a royal pain :)07:23
lamontheh07:23
lamontpart of it is not knowing _why_ they were reved... but I expect that's just a matter of reading the changelog better...07:24
fabbionelamont: ppc64 mostlikely07:24
fabbionei am pretty sure i wrote it in the changelog07:24
lamontcool07:24
fabbione    - Bump build-dep on gcc-3.4 (>= 3.4.4-0ubuntu4) and kernel-package07:24
fabbione      (>= 8.135ubuntu2)for ppc biarch support.07:24
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lamontTotal 1711 package(s) in state Installed.07:25
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fabbionesuckage07:25
fabbionei am eons behind that07:25
fabbionebecause i am too lazy to check the C++ transition status07:25
lamontwell, there's something like 4400 needs-build07:25
lamont446707:25
fabbionei have around 3000 needs-build i guess07:25
lamontanyway, g'night07:26
fabbionei will need to hunt down doko to check the C++ transition with me07:26
fabbionegood night 07:26
fabbionecya later07:26
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fabbionemjg59: around?09:30
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mjg59fabbione: Hi10:41
fabbionehey mjg59 10:41
fabbionesome bits of the big fat acpi patch are upstream10:41
fabbionei did a rediff with 12rc610:41
mjg59Oh, urgh10:41
mjg59Thanks10:41
fabbionebut i hope i got all of them10:41
fabbioneit builds.. so it's ready for warty ;)10:41
mjg59Haha10:43
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zulheylo02:05
fabbionehey zul02:05
zulhey fabbione how goes it?02:05
fabbionei have rc6 almost ready to hit the archive :)02:05
fabbionewaiting for ppc to finish to build02:06
zulit didnt segfault?02:06
fabbioneoh yeah several times02:06
zulheh02:06
fabbionebut it seems to be a problem on the porting box rather than the software02:06
fabbioneon the buildd it just work 99% of the time02:07
zulwell thats good then :)02:07
fabbionezul: 1160202:13
fabbionewant to take a look?02:13
zulsire02:32
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mdkehi all. is it safe to say that https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10512 is a kernel issue? would it be alright to change package:UNKNOWN to "linux"?02:33
fabbionemdke: you should ask mjg5902:39
fabbionei am not sure that stuff is X or kernel related02:40
fabbionespecially given the fact that it works -> play DVD -> doesn't work02:40
mdkefabbione, i'm pretty sure that's unrelated02:40
mdkeit was probably a kernel update that the reporter didn't notice02:41
mdkei talked to mjg59 about the bug the other day, he wasn't sure02:41
fabbioneneither am i02:41
mdkei'll test more02:41
mdkei'll do a default hoary install on it today02:41
fabbionetry with different kernels02:41
fabbioneusing exactly the same userland02:42
fabbionethat will shed light02:42
mdkefabbione, ok basically I can spend today testing with a new hoary install. What kernels do you want me to test?02:42
fabbione2.6.8.1 from warty 2.6.10 from hoary and 2.6.12 from breezy02:42
fabbioneskip 2.6.1102:42
mdkeok02:43
fabbioneif you keep the same userland aka: no binary drivers, same version of Xorg and so on02:43
mdkeright02:43
fabbioneyou will be able to isolate the problem02:43
mdkei'm pretty sure its not X related, the problem occurs before X starts too02:43
mdkebut i will test properly and post02:43
mdkethanks02:44
mdke*grins* ok I can already say that its not working properly with the hoary install kernel02:52
fabbionemdke: well.. welcome to provide us a patch with the fix :)02:55
mdke:-(02:55
mdkefabbione, i can't fix it :(02:58
fabbionetought luck02:58
mdkeyou guys won't fix it?02:59
mdkei'll try and help by testing and reporting on the bug report02:59
fabbionemdke: if there is no patch from upstream... no02:59
fabbionealso hoary won't get that kind of fixes02:59
fabbioneso just hope that it works with 2.6.1202:59
mdkeaw merda03:00
fabbionethat sounds like italian shit03:00
mdkei've had some many problems with this laptop and linux03:00
mdkesome/so03:00
mdkeit worked perfectly in the days of 2.6.703:01
mdkefabbione, so i should point that bug upstream? where can i report it?03:05
fabbionemdke: i dunno who is responsible for hotkeys stuff03:10
fabbionereally ask mjg59 is your best bet03:10
fabbionealso.. did you try 2.6.12?03:10
mdkenot yet, still installing hoary right now03:10
mdkei wonder if it is just a hotkeys issue03:10
fabbioneit mostlikely is03:11
mdkethe laptop makes some quite strange buzzing noises after being switched to ac power, and the screen brightness doesn't drop/raise when AC is disconnected/connected03:12
fabbioneok add all the info to the bug. it's probably acpi that is broken03:12
fabbioneor your bios03:12
mdkeI thought it was a hardware problem until I installed windows the other day, and it worked perfectly03:13
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fabbione(playground will be available in a couple of minutes)03:31
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zulfabbione: for the usb bug he says it works with the 386 kernel03:52
fabbioneeh03:52
fabbioneSMP problem?03:53
fabbioneif so... that's so out of my hand :)03:53
zulbut he is connecting the 1.1 devices to 2.0 ports03:53
zulyeah03:53
fabbionewell usb doesn't really have 1.1 or 2.0 ports03:53
zuland he is checking for bios update as well03:53
fabbionethey share the same phys port given the controller behind deciding the protocol03:53
fabbioneook 2.6.11.94-1.1 is up03:54
fabbioneit builds everywhere03:54
fabbionei am off for the day03:54
fabbioneKTHXBYE03:54
zulc ya03:54
mdkefabbione, am downloading some kernels to try. I've downloaded linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-686_2.6.8.1-16 from archive.ubuntu.com, is that right? where can I get the breezy one?04:17
fabbionemdke: same place.. just a dir up04:19
dilingeroh04:20
dilingerjbailey: ping04:20
mdkefabbione, i'm at ubuntu/pool/main/l/, I can only see linux-source 2.6.10 and 2.6.8.104:20
jbaileydilinger: pong04:20
dilingerdid you see the ide device driver model merge in rc6?04:21
dilingercommit 8604affde9d4f52f04342d6a37c77d95fa167e7a04:21
jbaileydilinger: I did. =) 04:21
jbaileyFabio's working on those right now, I think.04:22
dilingercool04:22
jbaileyI'm wondering what I'll have to change in the hotplug autodetection before people suddenly find themselves unable to use their CDroms and such. =)04:22
jbaileydilinger: BTW, I saw in #u-d that you were reading my testsuite stuff in cdbs?  Did you have any comments on it?04:23
jbaileydilinger: I'd like to push a few more tests into there in the next couple of days (the old tests, plus some multipass stuff)04:24
mdkecan anyone help me out in finding the breezy kernel? i'm looking for a url. sorry...04:24
dilingerjbailey: i need to look closer at it04:25
dilingeri was just skimming through04:25
jbaileymdke: Finding?  Err..  What are you trying to do? =)04:25
jbaileydilinger: Ah, no worries then.04:25
mdkejbailey, download it and install it on my hoary system to test something04:25
fabbionemdke: 2.6.12 is in universe04:26
mdkeahhh04:26
mdkethanks!04:26
jbaileymdke: Careful when pulling random bits down.  A newer initrd-tools against a breezy glibc causes unbootable systems.04:26
fabbionedilinger: i already uploaded rc604:26
mdkejbailey, ok thanks for the heads up04:26
jbaileymdke: Err, against a hoary glibc.04:26
jbaileymdke: *isgh* I'm on crack.  hoary initrd-tools against a breezy glibc.04:27
mdke*grins*04:27
mdkea bet crack is necessary in your line of work04:27
mdkea/i04:27
mdkejbailey, thanks tho I will try and see04:27
jbaileyIt's a fringe benefit. =)04:27
mdkejbailey, i am just gonna test all the kernels I find04:28
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mdkewill I need to install a newer initrd-tools on hoary to test the 2.6.12 kernel, or should I force install it and try without? 04:37
zulfabbione: its an smp issue for the usb buglet04:37
zulhehehe...http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2005/06/07/1075697-ap.html04:39
jbaileymdke: I don't recall any new features in the initrd that are important.  Let the depends line guide you, though.04:42
mdkehmm04:43
mdkeif I install a new initrd on hoary will the old kernels boot?04:43
jbaileyinitrd's are specific to the kernels.04:44
jbaileyJust don't delete the old ones. =)04:44
mdkeok cool04:44
mdkejbailey, thanks!04:44
mdkefabbione, ok i have clarified https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10512 a bit more, thanks for your help04:49
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mjg59Do we ship the zd1211 driver?06:22
mjg59Hngh. Sourceforge is being *very* slow06:23
zulmjg59: is that a wireless card?06:37
zulsourceforge sucking huge today06:37
mjg59Yeah, USB 11g thing06:40
zulnope we dont06:40
mjg59Seems to be GPLed, might be worth sticking in06:44
mjg59Buils with kbuild06:44
zulcool..send me a url and ill add it..06:46
mjg59http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/zd1211/sf_zd1211_20050315_src.tar.gz06:51
zulgot it06:52
zulwill make a patch for it tonight...need to start cleaning the house06:54
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chmjhello 07:12
chmjdo we have a 2.4 kernel for ubuntu ? 07:32
fabbioneno08:18
fabbioneand breezy cannot run on 2.408:18
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chmjcan hoary ?08:24
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jbaileyNo08:27
jbaileyThere are no ubuntu release that support 2.408:27
infinity...08:41
infinitySupport, or "support"?08:42
infinityIf you have a glibc with LinuxThreads, you can run 2.4...08:42
infinity(modutils helps too, if you happen to like modules, and it's always been there)08:42
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jbaileyinfinity: Well, that assumes that anything that is now looking at /sys and such still has all the fallbacks.08:48
snowanyone alive?08:57
snow one question guys. i try to inst 5.10 but the f. machine (intel) says its not able to mount a filesys ext2 (or ext3) on /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc1 - i have tried lots of things08:58
zuli think you might want to try #ubuntu09:00
snowhave done that several times, no help found - do you have an idea?09:00
zulsnow: this not between #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu, this is a kernel development channel09:01
snowsorry guys, you may be the only one whos able to help... should i instead resign?09:02
fabbionesnow: 5.10 is not even released09:02
fabbioneinstall 5.0409:02
zuloh hey fabbione :)09:03
snowi know o know, but i want breezy!! i will help reporting bugs09:03
snow5.04 is working very good09:03
fabbionesnow: the error you see is installer related. not kernel09:03
fabbionesnow: install 5.04 and upgrade if you want to run breezy09:04
snowok09:04
snowthanks09:04
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zulthats not nice :)09:17
zulfabbione: wtf is a mungbean?09:18
dilingerhttp://kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=49cabf49abd7676d026a61baabf5aae9337a82be09:53
dilingerubuntu can start shipping tg3, now09:54
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jbaileydilinger: Eh? =)11:10
jbaileydilinger: Admitting that the firmware is stolen makes it distributable? =)11:11
dilinger?11:11
dilingerbroadcom owns the copyright11:12
dilingerthey've given us a license that allows redistribution11:12
jbaileyOh, I see. =)11:12
jbaileyI was looking at it as "YEs, Broadcom owns this.  We stole it.  Give it away!"11:12
dilingerhttp://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/06/msg00146.html11:13
dilingerand other related threads on d-k11:13
jbaileyCool.11:14
jbaileyI Was lucky all my tg3 boxes were happy even without firmware./11:14

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