[12:58] <mjg59> lamont__: Hello
[01:02] <lamont__> mjg59: was wondering after the state of the various suspend/sleep/snooze/nap modes on the nc6000 with stock hoary and with the custom CD...
[01:02] <lamont__> and getting ready to run out the door, sadly
[01:03] <mjg59> lamont__: Should work fine, you might need to blacklist i2c_i801
[01:03] <lamont__> hrm.. I sense an echo.... coolnes.
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[05:38] <fabbione> morning
[05:41] <zul> evening
[05:45] <fabbione> hi zul
[05:45] <zul> fabbione: i have a first version of linux-non-supported-modules ill put the *.gz and debian/ directory in baz tomorrow, well make the *.gz accesible, im having problems generating the amd64 stuff debs though
[05:45] <fabbione> .gz???
[05:46] <zul> i put all the drivers in a tar.gz file
[05:46] <fabbione> why?=
[05:46] <zul> how would you do it?
[05:46] <fabbione> put them directly in a .deb?
[05:47] <zul> linux-non-supported-modules-2.6.12-1-386_2.6.12-1_i386.deb 
[05:47] <fabbione> so where the tar.gz comes from?
[05:47] <zul> heh its still a work in progress
[05:48] <zul> i created a directory with the external drivers and tarred it up
[05:48] <fabbione> there is very little point in tarring it up
[05:48] <fabbione> you can just move the modules in a dir and create the deb out of it
[05:48] <zul> well i discovered that when i was doing it
[05:48] <zul> :)
[05:49] <fabbione> yeah but that's the way you really want to do it
[05:49] <fabbione> :)
[05:49] <zul> :P
[05:49] <fabbione> but don't worry.. just finish what you are doing
[05:49] <fabbione> i will give it a clean afterwards :)
[05:49] <zul> yeah its my first real deb 
[05:49] <fabbione> ehehhe
[05:49] <fabbione> don
[05:49] <zul> gee thanks :)
[05:49] <fabbione> don't worry
[05:49] <fabbione> you are doing a great job
[05:49] <zul> ill get the hang of it eventually...ebuilds were so much easier ;)
[05:50] <zul> still evil though
[05:50] <zul> oh yeah i have another interview next week
[05:51] <zul> i need to learn about sybase though :(
[05:52] <fabbione> amen
[05:52] <fabbione> sybase sucks
[05:52] <fabbione> :)
[05:53] <zul> it looks like postgresql though...am reading sybase 101
[05:54] <fabbione> eheh
[05:55] <fabbione> i am pushing the orig.tar.gz for rc6 on people.u.c
[05:55] <fabbione> it will take a little while
[05:55] <zul> k cool..
[05:55] <zul> im thinking of a way to get kdb with the kernels without having to enable config_debug
[05:56] <infinity> Sybase is simple.
[05:56] <zul> looks like it
[06:04] <zul> bbl
[06:06] <fabbione> later
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[06:45] <fabbione> the orig diff.gz and dsc for 2.6.11.94 are in the usual place
[07:03] <zul> 686-dbg is only 147M
[07:03] <zul> :)
[07:04] <zul> i think i fixed my puter freezing
[07:06] <zul> disable xscreensaver
[07:07] <fabbione> oh 
[07:14] <zul> night...my wife starts to have panic attacks if she wakes up and im not there
[07:15] <fabbione> good night zul
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[07:22] <lamont> build-deps even
[07:22] <lamont> .94 is -rc6?
[07:23] <fabbione> hey lamont
[07:23] <fabbione> yes it's rc6
[07:23] <lamont> ok
[07:23] <lamont> I should have an hppa merge sometime this week, I expect
[07:23] <fabbione> lamont: i had to bump build-deps
[07:23] <fabbione> i know i could have make them more arch specific
[07:23] <fabbione> but it's a royal pain :)
[07:23] <lamont> heh
[07:24] <lamont> part of it is not knowing _why_ they were reved... but I expect that's just a matter of reading the changelog better...
[07:24] <fabbione> lamont: ppc64 mostlikely
[07:24] <fabbione> i am pretty sure i wrote it in the changelog
[07:24] <lamont> cool
[07:24] <fabbione>     - Bump build-dep on gcc-3.4 (>= 3.4.4-0ubuntu4) and kernel-package
[07:24] <fabbione>       (>= 8.135ubuntu2)for ppc biarch support.
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[07:25] <lamont> Total 1711 package(s) in state Installed.
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[07:25] <fabbione> suckage
[07:25] <fabbione> i am eons behind that
[07:25] <fabbione> because i am too lazy to check the C++ transition status
[07:25] <lamont> well, there's something like 4400 needs-build
[07:25] <lamont> 4467
[07:25] <fabbione> i have around 3000 needs-build i guess
[07:26] <lamont> anyway, g'night
[07:26] <fabbione> i will need to hunt down doko to check the C++ transition with me
[07:26] <fabbione> good night 
[07:26] <fabbione> cya later
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[09:30] <fabbione> mjg59: around?
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[10:41] <mjg59> fabbione: Hi
[10:41] <fabbione> hey mjg59 
[10:41] <fabbione> some bits of the big fat acpi patch are upstream
[10:41] <fabbione> i did a rediff with 12rc6
[10:41] <mjg59> Oh, urgh
[10:41] <mjg59> Thanks
[10:41] <fabbione> but i hope i got all of them
[10:41] <fabbione> it builds.. so it's ready for warty ;)
[10:43] <mjg59> Haha
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[02:05] <zul> heylo
[02:05] <fabbione> hey zul
[02:05] <zul> hey fabbione how goes it?
[02:05] <fabbione> i have rc6 almost ready to hit the archive :)
[02:06] <fabbione> waiting for ppc to finish to build
[02:06] <zul> it didnt segfault?
[02:06] <fabbione> oh yeah several times
[02:06] <zul> heh
[02:06] <fabbione> but it seems to be a problem on the porting box rather than the software
[02:07] <fabbione> on the buildd it just work 99% of the time
[02:07] <zul> well thats good then :)
[02:13] <fabbione> zul: 11602
[02:13] <fabbione> want to take a look?
[02:32] <zul> sire
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[02:33] <mdke> hi all. is it safe to say that https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10512 is a kernel issue? would it be alright to change package:UNKNOWN to "linux"?
[02:39] <fabbione> mdke: you should ask mjg59
[02:40] <fabbione> i am not sure that stuff is X or kernel related
[02:40] <fabbione> specially given the fact that it works -> play DVD -> doesn't work
[02:40] <mdke> fabbione, i'm pretty sure that's unrelated
[02:41] <mdke> it was probably a kernel update that the reporter didn't notice
[02:41] <mdke> i talked to mjg59 about the bug the other day, he wasn't sure
[02:41] <fabbione> neither am i
[02:41] <mdke> i'll test more
[02:41] <mdke> i'll do a default hoary install on it today
[02:41] <fabbione> try with different kernels
[02:42] <fabbione> using exactly the same userland
[02:42] <fabbione> that will shed light
[02:42] <mdke> fabbione, ok basically I can spend today testing with a new hoary install. What kernels do you want me to test?
[02:42] <fabbione> 2.6.8.1 from warty 2.6.10 from hoary and 2.6.12 from breezy
[02:42] <fabbione> skip 2.6.11
[02:43] <mdke> ok
[02:43] <fabbione> if you keep the same userland aka: no binary drivers, same version of Xorg and so on
[02:43] <mdke> right
[02:43] <fabbione> you will be able to isolate the problem
[02:43] <mdke> i'm pretty sure its not X related, the problem occurs before X starts too
[02:43] <mdke> but i will test properly and post
[02:44] <mdke> thanks
[02:52] <mdke> *grins* ok I can already say that its not working properly with the hoary install kernel
[02:55] <fabbione> mdke: well.. welcome to provide us a patch with the fix :)
[02:55] <mdke> :-(
[02:58] <mdke> fabbione, i can't fix it :(
[02:58] <fabbione> tought luck
[02:59] <mdke> you guys won't fix it?
[02:59] <mdke> i'll try and help by testing and reporting on the bug report
[02:59] <fabbione> mdke: if there is no patch from upstream... no
[02:59] <fabbione> also hoary won't get that kind of fixes
[02:59] <fabbione> so just hope that it works with 2.6.12
[03:00] <mdke> aw merda
[03:00] <fabbione> that sounds like italian shit
[03:00] <mdke> i've had some many problems with this laptop and linux
[03:00] <mdke> some/so
[03:01] <mdke> it worked perfectly in the days of 2.6.7
[03:05] <mdke> fabbione, so i should point that bug upstream? where can i report it?
[03:10] <fabbione> mdke: i dunno who is responsible for hotkeys stuff
[03:10] <fabbione> really ask mjg59 is your best bet
[03:10] <fabbione> also.. did you try 2.6.12?
[03:10] <mdke> not yet, still installing hoary right now
[03:10] <mdke> i wonder if it is just a hotkeys issue
[03:11] <fabbione> it mostlikely is
[03:12] <mdke> the laptop makes some quite strange buzzing noises after being switched to ac power, and the screen brightness doesn't drop/raise when AC is disconnected/connected
[03:12] <fabbione> ok add all the info to the bug. it's probably acpi that is broken
[03:12] <fabbione> or your bios
[03:13] <mdke> I thought it was a hardware problem until I installed windows the other day, and it worked perfectly
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[03:31] <fabbione> (playground will be available in a couple of minutes)
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[03:52] <zul> fabbione: for the usb bug he says it works with the 386 kernel
[03:52] <fabbione> eh
[03:53] <fabbione> SMP problem?
[03:53] <fabbione> if so... that's so out of my hand :)
[03:53] <zul> but he is connecting the 1.1 devices to 2.0 ports
[03:53] <zul> yeah
[03:53] <fabbione> well usb doesn't really have 1.1 or 2.0 ports
[03:53] <zul> and he is checking for bios update as well
[03:53] <fabbione> they share the same phys port given the controller behind deciding the protocol
[03:54] <fabbione> ook 2.6.11.94-1.1 is up
[03:54] <fabbione> it builds everywhere
[03:54] <fabbione> i am off for the day
[03:54] <fabbione> KTHXBYE
[03:54] <zul> c ya
[04:17] <mdke> fabbione, am downloading some kernels to try. I've downloaded linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-686_2.6.8.1-16 from archive.ubuntu.com, is that right? where can I get the breezy one?
[04:19] <fabbione> mdke: same place.. just a dir up
[04:20] <dilinger> oh
[04:20] <dilinger> jbailey: ping
[04:20] <mdke> fabbione, i'm at ubuntu/pool/main/l/, I can only see linux-source 2.6.10 and 2.6.8.1
[04:20] <jbailey> dilinger: pong
[04:21] <dilinger> did you see the ide device driver model merge in rc6?
[04:21] <dilinger> commit 8604affde9d4f52f04342d6a37c77d95fa167e7a
[04:21] <jbailey> dilinger: I did. =) 
[04:22] <jbailey> Fabio's working on those right now, I think.
[04:22] <dilinger> cool
[04:22] <jbailey> I'm wondering what I'll have to change in the hotplug autodetection before people suddenly find themselves unable to use their CDroms and such. =)
[04:23] <jbailey> dilinger: BTW, I saw in #u-d that you were reading my testsuite stuff in cdbs?  Did you have any comments on it?
[04:24] <jbailey> dilinger: I'd like to push a few more tests into there in the next couple of days (the old tests, plus some multipass stuff)
[04:24] <mdke> can anyone help me out in finding the breezy kernel? i'm looking for a url. sorry...
[04:25] <dilinger> jbailey: i need to look closer at it
[04:25] <dilinger> i was just skimming through
[04:25] <jbailey> mdke: Finding?  Err..  What are you trying to do? =)
[04:25] <jbailey> dilinger: Ah, no worries then.
[04:25] <mdke> jbailey, download it and install it on my hoary system to test something
[04:26] <fabbione> mdke: 2.6.12 is in universe
[04:26] <mdke> ahhh
[04:26] <mdke> thanks!
[04:26] <jbailey> mdke: Careful when pulling random bits down.  A newer initrd-tools against a breezy glibc causes unbootable systems.
[04:26] <fabbione> dilinger: i already uploaded rc6
[04:26] <mdke> jbailey, ok thanks for the heads up
[04:26] <jbailey> mdke: Err, against a hoary glibc.
[04:27] <jbailey> mdke: *isgh* I'm on crack.  hoary initrd-tools against a breezy glibc.
[04:27] <mdke> *grins*
[04:27] <mdke> a bet crack is necessary in your line of work
[04:27] <mdke> a/i
[04:27] <mdke> jbailey, thanks tho I will try and see
[04:27] <jbailey> It's a fringe benefit. =)
[04:28] <mdke> jbailey, i am just gonna test all the kernels I find
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[04:37] <mdke> will I need to install a newer initrd-tools on hoary to test the 2.6.12 kernel, or should I force install it and try without? 
[04:37] <zul> fabbione: its an smp issue for the usb buglet
[04:39] <zul> hehehe...http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2005/06/07/1075697-ap.html
[04:42] <jbailey> mdke: I don't recall any new features in the initrd that are important.  Let the depends line guide you, though.
[04:43] <mdke> hmm
[04:43] <mdke> if I install a new initrd on hoary will the old kernels boot?
[04:44] <jbailey> initrd's are specific to the kernels.
[04:44] <jbailey> Just don't delete the old ones. =)
[04:44] <mdke> ok cool
[04:44] <mdke> jbailey, thanks!
[04:49] <mdke> fabbione, ok i have clarified https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10512 a bit more, thanks for your help
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[06:22] <mjg59> Do we ship the zd1211 driver?
[06:23] <mjg59> Hngh. Sourceforge is being *very* slow
[06:37] <zul> mjg59: is that a wireless card?
[06:37] <zul> sourceforge sucking huge today
[06:40] <mjg59> Yeah, USB 11g thing
[06:40] <zul> nope we dont
[06:44] <mjg59> Seems to be GPLed, might be worth sticking in
[06:44] <mjg59> Buils with kbuild
[06:46] <zul> cool..send me a url and ill add it..
[06:51] <mjg59> http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/zd1211/sf_zd1211_20050315_src.tar.gz
[06:52] <zul> got it
[06:54] <zul> will make a patch for it tonight...need to start cleaning the house
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[07:12] <chmj> hello 
[07:32] <chmj> do we have a 2.4 kernel for ubuntu ? 
[08:18] <fabbione> no
[08:18] <fabbione> and breezy cannot run on 2.4
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[08:24] <chmj> can hoary ?
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[08:27] <jbailey> No
[08:27] <jbailey> There are no ubuntu release that support 2.4
[08:41] <infinity> ...
[08:42] <infinity> Support, or "support"?
[08:42] <infinity> If you have a glibc with LinuxThreads, you can run 2.4...
[08:42] <infinity> (modutils helps too, if you happen to like modules, and it's always been there)
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[08:48] <jbailey> infinity: Well, that assumes that anything that is now looking at /sys and such still has all the fallbacks.
[08:57] <snow> anyone alive?
[08:58] <snow>  one question guys. i try to inst 5.10 but the f. machine (intel) says its not able to mount a filesys ext2 (or ext3) on /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc1 - i have tried lots of things
[09:00] <zul> i think you might want to try #ubuntu
[09:00] <snow> have done that several times, no help found - do you have an idea?
[09:01] <zul> snow: this not between #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu, this is a kernel development channel
[09:02] <snow> sorry guys, you may be the only one whos able to help... should i instead resign?
[09:02] <fabbione> snow: 5.10 is not even released
[09:02] <fabbione> install 5.04
[09:03] <zul> oh hey fabbione :)
[09:03] <snow> i know o know, but i want breezy!! i will help reporting bugs
[09:03] <snow> 5.04 is working very good
[09:03] <fabbione> snow: the error you see is installer related. not kernel
[09:04] <fabbione> snow: install 5.04 and upgrade if you want to run breezy
[09:04] <snow> ok
[09:04] <snow> thanks
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[09:17] <zul> thats not nice :)
[09:18] <zul> fabbione: wtf is a mungbean?
[09:53] <dilinger> http://kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=49cabf49abd7676d026a61baabf5aae9337a82be
[09:54] <dilinger> ubuntu can start shipping tg3, now
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[11:10] <jbailey> dilinger: Eh? =)
[11:11] <jbailey> dilinger: Admitting that the firmware is stolen makes it distributable? =)
[11:11] <dilinger> ?
[11:12] <dilinger> broadcom owns the copyright
[11:12] <dilinger> they've given us a license that allows redistribution
[11:12] <jbailey> Oh, I see. =)
[11:12] <jbailey> I was looking at it as "YEs, Broadcom owns this.  We stole it.  Give it away!"
[11:13] <dilinger> http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/06/msg00146.html
[11:13] <dilinger> and other related threads on d-k
[11:14] <jbailey> Cool.
[11:14] <jbailey> I Was lucky all my tg3 boxes were happy even without firmware./