| mako | and the fact that did, i am a small-scale book collector :) | 12:01 |
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| mako | mdke: i fully intend to :) | 12:01 |
| mako | mdke: party at my place! | 12:01 |
| mako | ok.. where is mark | 12:02 |
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| elmo | mako: he's around, he just schnaked on #c | 12:02 |
| ogra | hehe | 12:02 |
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| sabdfl | evening all | 12:02 |
| mdke | hiya | 12:02 |
| ogra | yay | 12:02 |
| Amaranth | hi | 12:02 |
| ivoks | hi | 12:02 |
| smurfix | hi all | 12:02 |
| mvo | hey | 12:02 |
| \sh | *yawn* evening sabdfl | 12:03 |
| Nafallo | hi sabdfl! :-) | 12:03 |
| Seveas | hi sabdfl | 12:03 |
| ivoks | it's morning allready :) | 12:03 |
| mdke | smurfix, :) | 12:03 |
| mgalvin | hi sabdfl | 12:03 |
| Nafallo | ivoks: indeed ;-) | 12:03 |
| dholbach | hi | 12:03 |
| \sh | ivoks: deep night ;) | 12:03 |
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| opi | g'day sabdfl | 12:03 |
| DanielN_ | hi all | 12:03 |
| opi | hi smurfix | 12:03 |
| mako | ok | 12:03 |
| === mako just committed a "final" agenda | ||
| Seveas | opi, what's up with the accent, ahve you ahd too many beers already? | 12:04 |
| mako | agenda is at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CommunityCouncilAgenda | 12:04 |
| mako | smurfix: greetings | 12:04 |
| mako | lets get started.. | 12:04 |
| mako | if peopel can state their name for the record, it helps me write things up | 12:04 |
| === mako is benjamin mako hill | ||
| === Seveas is Dennis Kaarsemaker | ||
| === sabdfl is Mark Shuttleworth | ||
| === smurfix is Matthias Urlichs | ||
| mdke | Matthew East | 12:05 |
| === opi is Emil Oppeln-Bronikowski | ||
| === \sh is Stephan Hermann | ||
| mgalvin | mgalvin is Matt Galvin | 12:05 |
| === ivoks is Ante Karamatic | ||
| === xuzo is Luis Lopez | ||
| === Nafallo is Christian Bjlevik | ||
| === DanielN_ is Daniel Neuenschwander | ||
| === Mez is Martin Meredith | ||
| === mvo is michael vogt | ||
| pschulz01 | pschulz is Paul Schulz | 12:05 |
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| sabdfl | ok | 12:05 |
| mako | for the 3 people that just joined us (including sabdfl), kamion won't be here tonight | 12:05 |
| mako | he's moving | 12:05 |
| === nalioth is Marek Spruell | ||
| sabdfl | mako: member candidates first? | 12:05 |
| === anibal is Anibal Monsalve Salazar | ||
| === dholbach is Daniel Holbach :) | ||
| === ogra is Oliver Grawert | ||
| mako | lets see is the one loco team person is her | 12:06 |
| mako | here | 12:06 |
| mako | LjubisaRadovanovic ? | 12:06 |
| mako | anybody know his/her nick? | 12:06 |
| ivoks | prevod1 ? | 12:06 |
| Seveas | prevod, | 12:06 |
| prevod1 | Yes | 12:06 |
| sabdfl | prevod1: Ljubisa? | 12:06 |
| prevod1 | prevod - Ljubisa Radovanovic | 12:06 |
| mako | prevod1: welcome | 12:06 |
| prevod1 | Hi | 12:07 |
| mako | from the serbian team? | 12:07 |
| smurfix | So what's happening in the Serbian team? | 12:07 |
| sabdfl | welcome, tell us about your plan for a LoCo team, where, who's working on it, goals, opportunities etc | 12:07 |
| === Amaranth is Travis Watkins | ||
| prevod1 | Yes | 12:07 |
| Amaranth | just though i'd toss that in there | 12:07 |
| mako | most of your webpage is in cyrillic.. which is cool but a little opaque to me :) | 12:07 |
| === Riddell is Jonathan Riddell | ||
| prevod1 | Serbian team heve 5 translator | 12:08 |
| sabdfl | readable but still a bit opaque to me :-) | 12:08 |
| prevod1 | + 2 admin for forum site | 12:08 |
| mako | prevod1: how many people participating in the forums? | 12:08 |
| mako | you busy with other stuff right now, prevod1? | 12:09 |
| sabdfl | prevod1: have you guys joined this? https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/rosetta/groups/ubuntu-translators/ | 12:09 |
| mako | alright.. | 12:10 |
| sabdfl | guess so | 12:10 |
| opi | looks like I ping timeout | 12:10 |
| mako | maybe not busy.. but not quite right | 12:10 |
| mako | yeah | 12:10 |
| mako | alright | 12:10 |
| mako | lets move on to members | 12:10 |
| mako | and come back to him if he can fix his connection | 12:10 |
| prevod1 | sabdfl: No, for now | 12:10 |
| mdke | opi, i hear ya | 12:10 |
| === mako just got confused | ||
| prevod1 | Forum http://ubuntu.fsn.org.yu/forum/ 33 members | 12:11 |
| sabdfl | prevod1: ok, tell us about the local team, what sorts of things we can help you with to get ubuntu going in Serbia? | 12:11 |
| opi | mako: the old session pingedout | 12:11 |
| mako | opi: i see that.. now ;) | 12:11 |
| prevod1 | Only mail list for naw | 12:11 |
| sabdfl | how many big cities are there in serbia? | 12:12 |
| === motaboy is Simone Gotti (and I was smoking :P ) | ||
| sabdfl | are there linux conferences we could help you arrange a presence at? | 12:12 |
| ivoks | sabdfl: 1 bigger than 1 million | 12:12 |
| sabdfl | which one is that? | 12:12 |
| ivoks | belgrade | 12:12 |
| prevod1 | Beograd - 2 milions + 15 sites > 100 000 | 12:12 |
| sabdfl | for the breezy launch, would you be able to put us in touch with the local newspapers and magazines? | 12:13 |
| mako | now serbian can be written in either cyrillic and latin, right? | 12:13 |
| sabdfl | translate announcements and answer questions from local journalists who want to know more about free software? | 12:13 |
| mako | gnome has two serbian translations | 12:14 |
| === uniq is Frode Doeving (sorry for the delay) | ||
| mako | Serbian (sr) and Serbian Jekavian (sr@ije) | 12:14 |
| ivoks | they have http://ubuntu-cs.org/ | 12:14 |
| mako | what is the difference there? | 12:14 |
| ivoks | i don't know how much it's related with prevod1 | 12:14 |
| ivoks | s/with/to | 12:14 |
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| mako | prevod1, is http://ubuntu-cs.org/ your loco's site? | 12:15 |
| prevod1 | Yes | 12:15 |
| mako | great :) | 12:16 |
| prevod1 | http://prevod.org/osobe/ - Gnome translators | 12:16 |
| mako | prevod1: so the translation is into cyrillic and the webstie is in latin? | 12:17 |
| prevod1 | On Gnome 2.10 update work members | 12:17 |
| sabdfl | prevod1: are you guys also translating for kubuntu apps? | 12:17 |
| prevod1 | cyrillic mainly | 12:17 |
| prevod1 | http://www.kde.org.yu/ | 12:18 |
| mako | is your loco involved with both of those projects? | 12:18 |
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| opi | hi seb128 | 12:19 |
| mdke | prevod1, out of interest, what sort of structure does your group have? | 12:20 |
| prevod1 | and we have OpenOffice group also http://sr.openoffice.org/ | 12:20 |
| mako | prevod1: sounds great | 12:20 |
| mako | prevod1: are you limiting yourselves fully to l10n now or are you also working on other things, like conferences and such that sabdfl asked above? | 12:20 |
| prevod1 | Sorry, On Gnome 2.10 update work 2 members | 12:21 |
| sabdfl | prevod1: so, is your focus just translation at this point? | 12:23 |
| sabdfl | or are you interested in advocacy or education or media or other fields? | 12:23 |
| sabdfl | ok | 12:23 |
| prevod1 | http://www.fsn.org.yu/ FSN Serbia have conferences in plan | 12:24 |
| sabdfl | prevod1: thanks for coming to this meeting and keep us posted on your plans! | 12:24 |
| prevod1 | They have magasine http://gnuzilla.fsn.org.yu/ | 12:24 |
| mdke | it would be cool to have an ubuntu presence | 12:24 |
| mako | prevod1: if you are still around at the end, we can talk more | 12:24 |
| sabdfl | let us know if we can help you in any way, with the conference or cd's or a virtual server or anything else | 12:24 |
| sabdfl | mako: lead on | 12:24 |
| mako | prevod1: we should move on right now to deal with the other people :) | 12:24 |
| mako | alright.. new members | 12:24 |
| mako | i saw a number of people in the intro names | 12:25 |
| mako | DanielNeuenschwander? | 12:25 |
| DanielN_ | yep, here :) | 12:25 |
| mako | motaboy: remind me before we finish with new candidates to go over you | 12:25 |
| mako | DanielN_: why don't you introduce yourself, give us a few sentances to describe your work on ubuntu | 12:25 |
| motaboy | mako: ok! | 12:25 |
| mako | what you've done and what you will be doing | 12:25 |
| mako | or want to be doing :) | 12:26 |
| mako | DanielN_: run with it :) | 12:26 |
| sabdfl | your work to date, and your vision for ubuntu, and how you think you can help it attain that vision | 12:26 |
| DanielN_ | well, i'm active since ~3-4 months in the german ubuntu forums | 12:26 |
| sabdfl | if the other guys/girls on the agenda could prepare those intros, it will speed things up too! | 12:26 |
| mako | dholbach, ogra, tseng, etc: you guys around to vouch for motu folks? | 12:26 |
| opi | sorry guys, I'm sick and will not make it! :-( Have a nice, productive meeting and wait for my Python surprise (if I'll manage to code it;-)) | 12:26 |
| sabdfl | DanielN_: where are you based? what's going in your local town with free software? | 12:27 |
| tseng | mako: present. | 12:27 |
| DanielN_ | i began focus on the packaging stuff, so i joinet #u-m to look, what happens there | 12:27 |
| ogra | mako, sure | 12:27 |
| mdke | get better soon opi | 12:27 |
| ivoks | opi: :(( tak care | 12:27 |
| Seveas | opi, get well soon | 12:27 |
| sabdfl | opi: pitter patter :-) | 12:27 |
| \sh | we're here | 12:27 |
| opi | see younext meeting | 12:27 |
| \sh | opi:go and sleep and get better | 12:27 |
| dholbach | DanielN_ didnt let me catch my breath in the motu interview :) | 12:28 |
| ogra | mako, DanielN_ is frequently in #ubuntu-motu | 12:28 |
| tseng | DanielN_ is pretty inquisitive in #u-m, asking good questions about package-fu. | 12:28 |
| sabdfl | DanielN_: which are the packages you are most interested in? | 12:28 |
| ivoks | DanielN_: is making his way in packaging | 12:28 |
| mako | DanielN_: it says on your wiki page that you maintain a package in universe and have been working on the Cxx translation? | 12:28 |
| ogra | mako, its on the review page... we are lagging with reviews.... | 12:29 |
| dholbach | he has one package in the NEWPackages-queue and started working on Cxx, right DanielN_? | 12:29 |
| DanielN_ | mako: well, it's not in universe (yet?).. i'm just working on it and it's close to be finish | 12:29 |
| DanielN_ | dholbach: right ;) | 12:29 |
| mako | ogra, dholbach: would guys be more comfortable waiting till the next meeting to take a look at that package? | 12:29 |
| sabdfl | DanielN_: are you interested in any other aspects of ubuntu beyond code and packaging? | 12:29 |
| dholbach | DanielN_: you're in switzerland, right? sabdfl asked about it :) | 12:29 |
| tseng | can I give him +1 as member? | 12:29 |
| mako | tseng: no | 12:30 |
| mako | tseng: yes :) | 12:30 |
| tseng | k. | 12:30 |
| Mez | o_o | 12:30 |
| ogra | mako, i'm fine with DanielN_ for membership he is very interested and does valuable stuff in #ubuntu-motu | 12:30 |
| Mez | mako = schizophrenic | 12:30 |
| sabdfl | mako: i'm getting mixed messages from you there :-) | 12:30 |
| \sh | I would like to see DanielN_ also as member: +1 from me | 12:30 |
| DanielN_ | sabdfl: i'm more technical interested.. so packaging and those stuff would be main focused.. and i'm not a pretty good coder at all ;) | 12:30 |
| ivoks | +1 | 12:30 |
| DanielN_ | dholbach: yes, from switzerland :) | 12:31 |
| === mako reassigns all his bugs to DanielN_ | ||
| ogra | hehe | 12:31 |
| ivoks | :) | 12:31 |
| dholbach | *snigger* | 12:31 |
| Mez | ah I wish we could all do that | 12:31 |
| \sh | DanielN_: more gnome or kde...i forgot | 12:31 |
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| DanielN_ | \sh: more gnome | 12:31 |
| === Mez reassings bugs to DanielN_ even though danielN doesnt even know about the project | ||
| mdke | morning jsgotangco | 12:31 |
| jsgotangco | sorry late | 12:31 |
| jsgotangco | morning | 12:31 |
| dholbach | hey jsgotangco | 12:31 |
| jsgotangco | (6:30am) | 12:31 |
| tseng | hi jerome. | 12:31 |
| ogra | hi jsgotangco | 12:31 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 12:31 |
| \sh | DanielN_: can I bribe you to become a kde fan? so u can learn from amu, riddell and me ;) | 12:31 |
| DanielN_ | sabdfl: so, what you wna tto know about switzerland? :) | 12:32 |
| sabdfl | DanielN_: yes, was curious about the state of free software in your local community | 12:32 |
| DanielN_ | \sh: well, i'm open to all ;) just try it | 12:32 |
| ogra | DanielN_, naah, join the gnome team ;) | 12:32 |
| mako | DanielN_: it would be nicer to document the page a bit more, but i'm happy approving you for memership based on the testimonials of motu's :) | 12:32 |
| DanielN_ | sabdfl: there is of course much of free software in companies (much server side stuff) there are a fiev LUGs too | 12:33 |
| \sh | sabdfl: switzerland is not as big as the table mountain in cape town ;) | 12:33 |
| anibal | mako, may I be next? I'm late for work already, I'm in Melbourne, Australia | 12:33 |
| mako | DanielN_: ion3 team gets the babes/dudes | 12:33 |
| mako | anibal: yes.. | 12:33 |
| sabdfl | DanielN_: +1 to you from me, thanks for your contribution so far and looking forward to working together going forward! | 12:33 |
| mako | elmo: feelings? | 12:33 |
| DanielN_ | mako: i'll make it fine the wiki page ;) and thanks | 12:33 |
| mako | DanielN_: thanks! and thanks for your work so far | 12:33 |
| elmo | mako: sure | 12:34 |
| DanielN_ | sabdfl: great thank!! | 12:34 |
| mako | DanielN_: welcome! | 12:34 |
| mako | DanielN_: signed coc, on my desk :) | 12:34 |
| jsgotangco | welcome | 12:34 |
| === dholbach congratulates DanielN_ :) | ||
| mdke | welcome DanielN_ | 12:34 |
| DanielN_ | yeah, WOHO :)) | 12:34 |
| mako | anibal: alright, you're up | 12:34 |
| DanielN_ | thanks to all of you | 12:34 |
| ivoks | congrats DanielN_ | 12:34 |
| sabdfl | next up? | 12:34 |
| Nafallo | congrats DanielN_ :-) | 12:34 |
| mako | anibal: do the 3 sentence contributions + vision | 12:34 |
| DanielN_ | and to my "nerving-noobie-question" repeaters (now who is mentioned, guys) :) | 12:34 |
| \sh | welcome DanielN_ :) | 12:34 |
| mako | sabdfl: anibal is jumping the queue so as to not be (more) late to work | 12:34 |
| Mez | mako, maybe you shouldnt refer it as a "signed coc" - you dont wanna know what went thgrough my head | 12:34 |
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| anibal | I would like to maintain my debian packages in ubuntu | 12:35 |
| jsgotangco | we used to refer it as 'mako's CoC' | 12:35 |
| ogra | yay DanielN_ | 12:35 |
| === DanielN_ is damn happy :) | ||
| ivoks | Mez: :) | 12:35 |
| anibal | I maintain 2 packages of priority important, five of priority | 12:35 |
| anibal | standard and 2 in section base. | 12:35 |
| anibal | Section Priority Package | 12:35 |
| anibal | ======= ========= ====================== | 12:35 |
| anibal | perl important libtext-charwidth-perl | 12:35 |
| anibal | perl important libtext-wrapi18n-perl | 12:35 |
| anibal | net standard bsd-finger | 12:35 |
| anibal | net standard nfs-utils | 12:35 |
| anibal | net standard pidentd | 12:35 |
| anibal | net standard portmap | 12:35 |
| anibal | utils standard bzip2 | 12:35 |
| anibal | base optional fdutils | 12:35 |
| anibal | base optional pump | 12:35 |
| anibal | admin optional rpm | 12:35 |
| mdke | ooh | 12:36 |
| Seveas | Mez, http://www.coc.nl/dopage.pl?thema=any&pagina=algemeen&algemeen_id=126 | 12:36 |
| sabdfl | anibal: wow, that's a lot of responsibility, thanks for your contribution to free software and debian, and now ubuntu! | 12:36 |
| Seveas | ;) | 12:36 |
| DanielN_ | well, it's late here, i'm going to sleep now :) | 12:36 |
| sabdfl | night DanielN_ | 12:36 |
| DanielN_ | cu all guys and thanks alot one more time ;) | 12:36 |
| dholbach | bye DanielN_ | 12:36 |
| jsgotangco | bye | 12:36 |
| Mez | :p Seveas | 12:36 |
| mako | alright, i know anibal from a number of places.. also met up in australia and other places before that | 12:36 |
| \sh | DanielN_: have a good night night | 12:36 |
| mako | been communicating off and on about ubuntu in a number of contexts for a while | 12:36 |
| sabdfl | anibal: it will take some time for you to become a developer with upload to main, you'll need to start in motu, and go through the process, is that ok? | 12:36 |
| anibal | I'm also getting involved with the debian-kernel team, and later with the ubuntu-kernel team | 12:37 |
| mako | anibal: great.. that's a great way to contribute :) | 12:37 |
| tseng | I dont know anibal, but thats an impressive list. | 12:37 |
| mdke | awesome | 12:37 |
| sabdfl | also, because debian has the benefit of maintainer exclusivity, we count on them to inject the pride and quality, then we work across packages | 12:37 |
| dholbach | cool, anibal :) | 12:37 |
| \sh | quite interessting work on his debian page | 12:37 |
| elmo | anibal: are you aware we don't have a BML in Ubuntu and anyone is free to work on any package? | 12:38 |
| sabdfl | so that means that none of us has a veto on a given package in ubuntu | 12:38 |
| elmo | s/aware/\& and okay with the fact that/ | 12:38 |
| anibal | elmo, yes I know | 12:38 |
| sabdfl | we can only do that because we have a much smaller set of maintainers, and because we get the packages from debian with the quality builtin, otherwise it would be a race to gentoo-land | 12:38 |
| ogra | sabdfl, MOTU doesnt personalize packages... so no veto ;) | 12:38 |
| dholbach | what's a BML? a black mailing list or what? | 12:38 |
| anibal | that's okay with me | 12:38 |
| elmo | dholbach: big maintainer lock | 12:38 |
| sabdfl | dholbach: big maintainer lock | 12:38 |
| dholbach | ah ok :) | 12:39 |
| sabdfl | it's how debian ensures the quality of its packages | 12:39 |
| sabdfl | but it would not work with the ubuntu model | 12:39 |
| dholbach | yes | 12:39 |
| dholbach | i wasn't aware of that abbreviation | 12:39 |
| sabdfl | anibal: ok cool, it will be great to have someone with your experience on board. have you met any of the motu yet? | 12:39 |
| mako | i'm a little at a loss for what the best process is in terms of membership | 12:39 |
| tseng | mako: it will be hard since he wants to touch things in main | 12:40 |
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| tseng | he'd have to work via someone else, which might be odd as he has the BML | 12:40 |
| mako | tseng: yeah, that's a maintainership issue.. and we trust his packaging skills (he's our upstream for those packages) | 12:40 |
| sabdfl | well, his debian packages that come into our main are already a way for him to have a positive impact on ubuntu | 12:40 |
| tseng | surely. | 12:41 |
| === mako nods | ||
| sabdfl | if anibal wants to contribute to ubuntu, then the process would be the same for him as for anyone | 12:41 |
| tseng | i have no problem with member status for strong debian contributors with interest. | 12:41 |
| anibal | sabdfl, I have met mako, elmo, Kamion, Keybuk and many other during debconf4 and lca2005 | 12:41 |
| Keybuk | so, a question that's worth asking, is what he hopes to do in Ubuntu that he can't do by maintaining the same packages in Debian | 12:41 |
| sabdfl | work with motu, become a maintainer and developer there, then become an uploader to main in time | 12:41 |
| === prevod1 is now known as prevod | ||
| Keybuk | anibal? | 12:41 |
| mako | Keybuk: i have a few answers for that :) | 12:42 |
| anibal | Keybuk, I would like to get more involved with ubuntu directly | 12:42 |
| \sh | I would like to hear his opinions on this bl**dy thread on d-d....how can ubuntu/debian debian/ubuntu work together in a human way | 12:43 |
| Seveas | anibal, prepare to be spammed by the MOTU :) | 12:43 |
| ivoks | :) | 12:43 |
| mako | \sh: that's another meeting dude | 12:43 |
| tseng | \sh: eh we need to save that for later | 12:43 |
| ogra | \sh, not now | 12:43 |
| tseng | \sh smackdown! | 12:43 |
| \sh | that was only loud thinking | 12:43 |
| dholbach | Seveas: spammed? | 12:43 |
| sabdfl | \sh: relax about that, it will settle down once everyone has had a chance to vent spleen | 12:43 |
| Mez | dholbach, when John got talking abotu backports, he got spammed by MOTU (glares at ogra) lol.. to join them too | 12:44 |
| ogra | heh | 12:44 |
| Seveas | dholbach, notice the --> :) <-- it's a good thing too push new members to become MOTU's | 12:44 |
| anibal | \sh, I don't see much of a problem with the interaction between debian ans ubuntu, I think is beneficial for both debian and ubuntu | 12:44 |
| ogra | Mez, thats not spamming :) | 12:44 |
| \sh | anibal: forget about it right now :) | 12:44 |
| Mez | sorry ogra, not spamming, just being espescially persistent (aka apamming) | 12:44 |
| sabdfl | anibal: ok, i think it';s too soon to approve membership, but i'm personally happy to have you here and hope you'll enjoy working with the motu | 12:44 |
| Nafallo | ogra: ... that's recruiting ;-). | 12:44 |
| ivoks | i think anibal is really eager to go to work :) | 12:45 |
| tseng | hm there is a really long list, maybe we need to focus more. | 12:45 |
| ogra | Mez, i never give up on fresh meat for the universe ;) | 12:45 |
| anibal | sabdfl, okay, NP | 12:45 |
| sabdfl | once you have done some work with them we'll confirm membership for you, and devel access would be confirmed by the tech board | 12:45 |
| Keybuk | anibal: after speaking with you at LCA I'm a little worried that you only with to become an Ubuntu maintainer because we've patched a couple of your packages in the past; when that wouldn't change, because we don't have any kind of Maintainership or NMU policy in Ubuntu -- people would still upload changes | 12:45 |
| sabdfl | the last step would be uploading to main | 12:45 |
| Keybuk | otoh, you're technical skills are good, so you'd be a great asset if you want to contribute :) | 12:45 |
| dholbach | anibal: it will be cool to have you around in MOTU world :) | 12:45 |
| Keybuk | and as mentioned at LCA, if you could package rpm 4.4 for us, that'd be great <g> | 12:45 |
| sabdfl | Keybuk: anibal says that's no problem, i'll take him at his word on it | 12:45 |
| anibal | Keybuk, that was mentioned before you arrived | 12:46 |
| sabdfl | i think we're ok on that front | 12:46 |
| mako | well, i'm happy to recognize anibals contributions through debian | 12:46 |
| sabdfl | anibal - welcome to ubuntu, the motu are the place to get going, then once you've made some distinct contribution there we can confirm membership, maintainership in universe, then maintainership in main | 12:47 |
| anibal | Keybuk, I'm very grateful about the ubuntu patches for my debian packages :) | 12:47 |
| sabdfl | cool | 12:47 |
| sabdfl | who's up next? | 12:47 |
| Mez | StacyWebb | 12:48 |
| Mez | according to the agenda | 12:48 |
| ivoks | anibal: welcome | 12:48 |
| mgalvin | should i speak sometime ? | 12:48 |
| sabdfl | is stacy around? | 12:48 |
| tseng | mgalvin: when we call you :P | 12:48 |
| Seveas | mgalvin, you're after StacyWebb | 12:48 |
| mgalvin | stepped away for a min, must have missed it, sorry | 12:48 |
| mako | mgalvin: in any case, go on stacy hasn't spoken up yet | 12:49 |
| mgalvin | ok, well I live in the US | 12:49 |
| mgalvin | I'm an enterprise java developer, db developer, and cvs admin/releaes manager | 12:49 |
| mgalvin | been using ubuntu since warty | 12:49 |
| mgalvin | I co-authored (ported) the Unofficial Ubuntu Guide to the PowerPC arch | 12:49 |
| mgalvin | help out on ubuntu-users | 12:49 |
| mgalvin | report bugs | 12:49 |
| sabdfl | that's an awesome document | 12:49 |
| mdke | oh hi mgalvin | 12:49 |
| mgalvin | write install reports for install cds/dvds | 12:49 |
| mgalvin | hanging around on ubuntu-motu learning new stuff | 12:50 |
| mgalvin | sabdfl, thnx :) | 12:50 |
| sabdfl | mgalvin: what is your primary area of interest? | 12:50 |
| === mdke draws mgalvin towards #ubuntu-docs | ||
| mgalvin | started packaging some apps, libcwd, gnome-clipboard-daemon, mmsrip, ogre, cegui, ultimatestunts, tuxtype2 | 12:50 |
| mgalvin | Started process of becoming a DD | 12:50 |
| mgalvin | Already have packages in Debian uploaded by my sponsor madduck | 12:50 |
| mgalvin | hope to help keep us in sync with Debian and work on educational stuff, oh and java stuff since I am a java developer ;) | 12:50 |
| mgalvin | I am also working on packaing up some games | 12:50 |
| sabdfl | there's a big challenge out there now to produce a top-notch set of guides for different users | 12:50 |
| dholbach | MOTUGames! | 12:50 |
| mgalvin | my wiki page has some more stuff | 12:50 |
| ogra | yeah | 12:50 |
| mdke | sabdfl, nods | 12:50 |
| Seveas | mgalvin, with educational stuff, fo you mean edubuntu/ltsp..? | 12:51 |
| jsgotangco | +1 on mgalvin, he contributed his ppc doc for inclusion to svn | 12:51 |
| dholbach | yeah, he has some packages in NEWPackages-queue | 12:51 |
| \sh | hmm...siretart is not here ;) | 12:51 |
| mgalvin | well, at first educational games... | 12:51 |
| ogra | mgalvin, hey, we should talk ;) | 12:51 |
| mgalvin | but yes, i would like to help out with edubuntu | 12:51 |
| uniq | +1 for the ppc guide from me :) | 12:51 |
| mgalvin | as well | 12:51 |
| sabdfl | the guide for ppc is a great contribution | 12:51 |
| sabdfl | +1 from me | 12:52 |
| mdke | +1 | 12:52 |
| mako | +1 | 12:52 |
| ogra | +1 | 12:52 |
| mako | elmo: ? | 12:52 |
| elmo | ack | 12:52 |
| sabdfl | done! | 12:52 |
| mgalvin | :) | 12:52 |
| mako | bam | 12:52 |
| Seveas | mgalvin, congrats! | 12:52 |
| sabdfl | welcome aboard mgalvin | 12:52 |
| mako | mgalvin: welcome! | 12:52 |
| Mez | mako - why not just say +2 | 12:52 |
| mdke | welcome mgalvin | 12:52 |
| ogra | applause mgalvin | 12:52 |
| mako | mgalvin: signed coc on my desk ;) | 12:52 |
| dholbach | woohoo | 12:52 |
| mgalvin | yippie thanks all :) | 12:52 |
| Mez | nvm - I'm an idot and saw mdke and mako as same name | 12:52 |
| mako | SvenHerzberg ? | 12:52 |
| \sh | mgalvin: welcome :) | 12:52 |
| dholbach | mako: herzi's not here | 12:52 |
| mako | alright | 12:53 |
| mdke | Mez, ;) | 12:53 |
| mako | MarekSpruell | 12:53 |
| mako | ? | 12:53 |
| Mez | they're too similar... half of them is the same! | 12:53 |
| mako | nalioth ? | 12:53 |
| nalioth | Howdy! I live in Houston, Tx and spend a lot of time in #ubuntu helpin out brand-new, new and beginner level folks | 12:53 |
| mako | i don't understand the difference | 12:54 |
| mako | but i appreciate the work :) | 12:54 |
| jsgotangco | *grin* | 12:54 |
| sabdfl | ok, who's up now? | 12:54 |
| mako | sabdfl: nalioth | 12:54 |
| nalioth | i only own PPC machines and have built a few binaries for them, but i'm not really into packaging | 12:54 |
| mako | nalioth: that's absolutely fine, packaging is only one of many ways to contribute | 12:54 |
| tseng | not into yet, or disinterested? | 12:54 |
| sabdfl | nalioth: do you hang out on both the channel and the forums? | 12:55 |
| mako | tseng: packaging is for weenies :) | 12:55 |
| ogra | mako, bah | 12:55 |
| tseng | mako: oh man, ill get you later. | 12:55 |
| === mako makes many enemies quickly | ||
| Mez | nice to know what you think of the MOTU mako :P | 12:55 |
| ogra | heh | 12:55 |
| nalioth | I would like to see ubuntu become more dominant in the linux world, and in doing so, become more user-friendly (although it is the most user-friendly distro i've used) | 12:55 |
| === jsgotangco will never package then | ||
| nalioth | sabdfl: i've been thinking about writing a couple wiki articles, don't hang around much on the forums | 12:56 |
| sabdfl | ok | 12:56 |
| mako | nalioth: your page seems a little thin | 12:56 |
| sabdfl | nalioth: to be a member, you need to be able to point to some "substantial contribution", as well as have a clear idea for where you'd like ubuntu to get to in your community | 12:56 |
| mako | nalioth: that's not to say that your contributions aren't substantiall.. just that it's not visibly documented on your page at the moment | 12:56 |
| jsgotangco | he's been pretty active in #ubuntu though i noticed lately | 12:56 |
| SquishyWaffle | I hate to interject but helping new people is a big deal. | 12:56 |
| mako | SquishyWaffle: nobody is objecting to that | 12:57 |
| Mez | I agree with SquishyWaffle | 12:57 |
| mdke | there is no disagreement | 12:57 |
| mako | Mez: everybody agrees with SquishyWaffle :) | 12:57 |
| Mez | IMO, the "n00bs" are the people we want to be supporting the most | 12:57 |
| Mez | and they ned more focus | 12:57 |
| SquishyWaffle | Newcomers are impressed at our newbie friendliness and thanks to people like nalioth, we can say with confidence that we fit this description. | 12:57 |
| sabdfl | least of all me :-) | 12:57 |
| mako | Mez: everybody agrees with that | 12:57 |
| mako | sabdfl: no, least of all *me* | 12:57 |
| === SquishyWaffle shuts up :) | ||
| sabdfl | nalioth: what i'd be looking for is a plan to make your contribution somehow institutional | 12:58 |
| elmo | mako: no, ME, damn you | 12:58 |
| Mez | sabdfl, what do you mena by "institutional" | 12:58 |
| elmo | (not that I have any idea what you're talking about) | 12:58 |
| nalioth | what mez said :P | 12:58 |
| mdke | *laughs* @elmo | 12:58 |
| sabdfl | turn it into something that makes an ongoing difference to people | 12:58 |
| mako | elmo: alright, you win. you are the least of all | 12:58 |
| sabdfl | even if it's making a commitment to being in #ubuntu a few hours a week | 12:59 |
| allee | where is the translation in xkb/symbol/* of: key (like <i65>) to keycode (of xev) defined? Once I knew :( | 12:59 |
| sabdfl | or helping to structure the FAQ's | 12:59 |
| allee | sorry wrong channel :( | 12:59 |
| sabdfl | being a member is quite a serious responsibility | 12:59 |
| jsgotangco | aye | 12:59 |
| Mez | ah thanks sabdfl that's what I needed (so i cna answer that when it comes o my "questioning" | 12:59 |
| mako | nalioth: also, providing testimonials and such is a good way to document your participation | 12:59 |
| sabdfl | because the members select the CC, who are ultimately the group that determines policy and direction for the project | 12:59 |
| sabdfl | the board of directors, sort of | 12:59 |
| mako | nalioth: from current member who also hanging out on the channel | 01:00 |
| nalioth | mako: you mean from other members? | 01:00 |
| sabdfl | the members vote to confirm any nomination i make | 01:00 |
| sabdfl | to the CC (elmo :-) | 01:00 |
| mako | nalioth: sure.. operators, etc | 01:00 |
| nalioth | there are some of them here now | 01:00 |
| nalioth | or were | 01:00 |
| sabdfl | developers / maintainers vote to confirm nominations to the Tech Board | 01:00 |
| sabdfl | so when considering people for membership, i sort of like to be able to see where they want ubuntu to go | 01:00 |
| sabdfl | because that will help us pick good CC members | 01:01 |
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| mako | nalioth: and we like to point to a pattern of specific example and concrete contributions we can point to | 01:01 |
| nalioth | but committing time to #ubuntu is no problem, i'm there 2+ hours every day as it is | 01:01 |
| sabdfl | that's a substantial contribution | 01:01 |
| mako | nalioth: great, yes | 01:01 |
| mdke | thats awesome | 01:01 |
| sabdfl | nalioth: would you be prepared to lead a small team of "newbie gods"? | 01:01 |
| Mez | sabdfl, if he isnt - I would be :d | 01:02 |
| nalioth | sabdfl: ok (whatever a newbie-god is) | 01:02 |
| tseng | yes a a group of regulars to help/police #ubuntu would be great. | 01:02 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 01:02 |
| sabdfl | ops on #ubuntu, remind folks about the CoC if it gets too hot | 01:02 |
| tseng | nalioth: do you know some other serious regulars? | 01:02 |
| sabdfl | point people to docs | 01:02 |
| mako | Mez: it's not a mutually exclsive group :) | 01:02 |
| Mez | nalioth - do you think you have what it needs to "lead" them thoguh | 01:02 |
| sabdfl | basically, take that 2 hours, and become part of the formal team with it | 01:03 |
| Mez | true mak, but that was acually one of the things I'd like to see in ubuntu | 01:03 |
| sabdfl | that would be a basis for membership | 01:03 |
| Mez | mk o * | 01:03 |
| Mez | godamnit | 01:03 |
| === Mez slaps his keybaord | ||
| Seveas | i'd love to see nalioth a bit more in #ubuntu | 01:03 |
| sabdfl | well, don't get hung up on leadership or authority, jsut commit to being there and helping people make it better | 01:03 |
| Seveas | he's a good helper | 01:03 |
| mako | Mez: nothing keeping you from taking a leadership role in thie regard to if it is line with the type of contributions you'd like to make | 01:03 |
| nalioth | i like to teach people to fish | 01:03 |
| sabdfl | leadership is best when it's emergent | 01:03 |
| mako | Mez: but right, like sabdfl said | 01:04 |
| mdke | or non existent ;) | 01:04 |
| Mez | I agree with Seveas - he's given some good advice to me in the past - and when he hasnt been able to, pointed me in the roght direction (back when i was a complete n00b) | 01:04 |
| === mako nods at mdke | ||
| === sabdfl thinks that's perhaps trite for a benevolent DICTATOR to be saying it :-) | ||
| mdke | *grins* | 01:04 |
| mako | mdke: damn anarchists | 01:04 |
| sabdfl | ok | 01:04 |
| ogra | lol | 01:04 |
| mdke | LOL | 01:04 |
| Mez | sabdfl, you're too well spoke n - reading what you wreite hurts my brains | 01:04 |
| sabdfl | +1 to nalioth on the basis of past contribution and plans to help form a newbie help-squad | 01:04 |
| === Seveas likes the newbie-help squad | ||
| mako | sabdfl: i'd really prefer to wait for 2 weeks | 01:05 |
| mako | to see how it goes.. and to help build up the wiki page | 01:05 |
| === lsuactiafner would love to help also | ||
| mako | get some testimonials, etdc | 01:05 |
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| jsgotangco | jdub: hi | 01:05 |
| ogra | wohoo, jdub | 01:05 |
| tseng | pants off. | 01:05 |
| Nafallo | jdub: morning jdub :-) | 01:06 |
| Mez | if I could also suggest, maybe nalioth could hang around the absolute beginner forum on the forums aswell ? | 01:06 |
| jdub | morning all | 01:06 |
| \sh | jdub: my hero....:) nice work on planet design :) awsome | 01:06 |
| sabdfl | ok | 01:06 |
| jdub | \sh: all praise to steven garrity | 01:06 |
| mdke | morning jdub | 01:06 |
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| sabdfl | mako: it was only +1 not +100 in this case :-) | 01:06 |
| mako | that's not a vote against, but i'd be more comfortable if we deferred until next meeting | 01:06 |
| tseng | id like to see more testimonial/wiki stuff | 01:07 |
| jsgotangco | who p.u.c has changed | 01:07 |
| \sh | jdub: ok..hug this guy for me | 01:07 |
| Seveas | +1 on makos point | 01:07 |
| mako | i'm happy to work with nalioth to get teh wiki page a little thicker, some testimonials and such | 01:07 |
| sabdfl | so nalioth, is that clear? keep it up, start building a team, and come back in two weeks to revisit the membership option | 01:07 |
| mako | yeah, i don't think it will be controverseal.. | 01:07 |
| mako | nalioth: work me directly if you are unsure about anything :) | 01:07 |
| nalioth | mako ok | 01:07 |
| Seveas | nalioth, can you keep me in touch about the newbie-squad idea too please | 01:08 |
| mako | awesome | 01:08 |
| Mez | and mako gains another acoloyte | 01:08 |
| === Seveas wants to be a part of the squad | ||
| nalioth | Seveas: yep | 01:08 |
| mako | Seveas: nice.. maybe we can make another meeting | 01:08 |
| mako | i love those!!! | 01:08 |
| mdke | *laughs* | 01:08 |
| ogra | heh | 01:08 |
| ivoks | :) | 01:08 |
| mako | ok.. | 01:08 |
| === Seveas hates meetings that start at midnight | ||
| mdke | that mako guy is a masochist | 01:08 |
| mako | this leads into the next item though | 01:08 |
| tseng | mdke: dude he uses ion | 01:09 |
| mako | no wait it doesn't | 01:09 |
| mako | motaboy: | 01:09 |
| tseng | mdke: of course he is. | 01:09 |
| ogra | Seveas, just move some TZ away ;) | 01:09 |
| mako | motaboy: you still around? | 01:09 |
| motaboy | mako: her I am | 01:09 |
| Seveas | ogra, neh, I work/live/study/have a fiancee here | 01:09 |
| sabdfl | motaboy: you have the floor | 01:09 |
| mako | motaboy: want to do a brief intro into what you've done where you see yourself taking ubuntu? | 01:09 |
| motaboy | Ok. | 01:09 |
| motaboy | I love kde and I become a kde dev 3 years ago joining the kdebluetooth project | 01:10 |
| mako | wiki page is https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SimoneGotti | 01:10 |
| motaboy | and doing some programs related to obex and syncing stuffs. | 01:10 |
| mako | Riddell: you around? | 01:11 |
| mako | any other kubuntites to vouch for motaboy? | 01:11 |
| Riddell | mako: yep, motaboy has done a great job on koffice, kdebluetooth and other packages | 01:11 |
| \sh | motaboy: u worked with the kde herd @gentoo? | 01:11 |
| uniq | +1 for motaboy. | 01:11 |
| Mez | motaboy - have you ever done any work for bluetooth on the PPC arcitecture? | 01:11 |
| === ogra knows that amo worked with motaboy | ||
| dholbach | i reviewed some packages, they were good | 01:11 |
| ogra | amu even | 01:11 |
| mako | motaboy: interestd in any non-code contributions? | 01:11 |
| mako | loco team, something? | 01:11 |
| motaboy | Yes I was a gentoo dev until some months ago. | 01:11 |
| sabdfl | Simone, what have you been working on in Ubuntu so far? | 01:11 |
| \sh | motaboy: why did u leave the gentoo project? | 01:12 |
| mdke | motaboy is often in the #ubuntu-it channel | 01:12 |
| motaboy | Mez: I received various mails from ppc users about kdebluetooth working correctly | 01:12 |
| ogra | \sh, why did you ? | 01:12 |
| Mez | motaboy, ah cool - was just wondering, caus eI know the apple bluetooth developer pesonally | 01:12 |
| \sh | ogra: i didn't cause I never was inside the hard circle ;) gentoo e.v. is germany ;) | 01:12 |
| motaboy | \sh: because I always like debian but it was not so much updated and I liked the source compilation | 01:12 |
| motaboy | but I found that a source based distros has tooooooo much unresolvable problems... | 01:13 |
| \sh | motaboy: understandable | 01:13 |
| motaboy | and then camed ubuntu :D | 01:13 |
| sabdfl | motaboy: so are you regularly providing the MOTU with patches? | 01:13 |
| motaboy | sabdfl: I did some packages for kdebluetooth of course, abakus, metabar, koffice | 01:13 |
| sabdfl | can anyone on the MOTU say that motaboy has already made a substantial contribution? | 01:14 |
| mako | Riddell already has | 01:14 |
| dholbach | i reviewed 2-3 packages of him | 01:14 |
| ogra | i think so, dholbach reviewed some stuff afaik | 01:14 |
| Riddell | motaboy has my total support | 01:14 |
| === mako channels Riddell's support | ||
| \sh | kde people will get always a +1 | 01:14 |
| motaboy | sabdfl: Maybe in these days I'm quite busy with work, but I'm doing to make the possible contribution I can do. | 01:15 |
| \sh | only to have a good balance between kde and ogra ;) | 01:15 |
| mako | \sh: well, kde people who make meaningful contributuion to ubuntu, i hope :) | 01:15 |
| sabdfl | ok, +1 on the basis of Riddell's support | 01:15 |
| motaboy | sabdfl: to kde and ubuntu | 01:15 |
| jsgotangco | hmm i should update my kubuntu | 01:15 |
| === mako approves | ||
| === motaboy is fixing an NTLM bug in kio_http now... | ||
| mako | elmo: ? | 01:15 |
| sabdfl | elmo? | 01:15 |
| elmo | ack | 01:15 |
| === motaboy nows that is not directly related to ubuntu... :P | ||
| motaboy | s/now/knows | 01:15 |
| mako | motaboy: gotta do the signed code of conduct dance :) | 01:15 |
| ogra | +1 here only to have a good balance between kde and ogra ;) | 01:15 |
| mdke | motaboy, auguri | 01:15 |
| tseng | motaboy: working with your upstream is WONDERFUL. | 01:16 |
| mako | motaboy: thanks dude! now get some sleep | 01:16 |
| mako | welcome | 01:16 |
| tseng | motaboy: very related. | 01:16 |
| \sh | ogra: ahaha ;) | 01:16 |
| ogra | \sh, *g* | 01:16 |
| motaboy | thanks to you all! :D | 01:16 |
| \sh | welcome motaboy | 01:16 |
| jsgotangco | motaboy: congrats | 01:16 |
| mdke | motaboy, do you have 20 seconds? | 01:16 |
| dholbach | welcome simone | 01:16 |
| mdke | quick idea | 01:16 |
| mako | that's it for members | 01:16 |
| ogra | yay motaboy | 01:16 |
| motaboy | mdke: yes | 01:16 |
| sabdfl | next up! | 01:16 |
| mako | irc ops | 01:16 |
| mako | i think there are two issues here | 01:17 |
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| mdke | motaboy, PM | 01:17 |
| sabdfl | happy to be given that, was given a nice tutorial on the details, happy to be of service | 01:17 |
| mako | one is that we need to delegate somebody to actually implement the big batch of ops on teh chanserv levels | 01:17 |
| dholbach | i apologize for leaving "early", but i have to get up early tomorrow - have a nice evening you all... see you | 01:17 |
| mako | sabdfl: yeah, we already voted to op you.. :) | 01:17 |
| \sh | mako: please remove me from the list to be a irc policeman for #ubuntu | 01:17 |
| Amaranth | damn internet | 01:18 |
| ivoks | :) | 01:18 |
| Nafallo | dholbach: take care :-) | 01:18 |
| === Seveas volunteers for that, I know how chanserv works | ||
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| mako | jdub: that's you i think | 01:18 |
| Amaranth | is the meeting over? | 01:18 |
| jsgotangco | oohh lag | 01:18 |
| \sh | cu dholbach | 01:18 |
| tseng | Amaranth: approving irc ops. | 01:18 |
| mako | jdub: you own #ubuntu according to chanserv, can you help us get the list of people who we voted to op into the chanserv? | 01:18 |
| Amaranth | oh | 01:18 |
| mako | jdub: i can send you the url | 01:18 |
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| Amaranth | is it too late to inject myself into the agenda? :) | 01:18 |
| mako | i don't see that part as requiring any action | 01:18 |
| mako | except to poke jdub and makes ure it happens | 01:19 |
| Seveas | Amaranth, we just passed the member stage | 01:19 |
| Amaranth | yeah, that's the part i meant | 01:19 |
| mako | so everyone, if you're on that list and the chanserv disagrees, poke jdub :) | 01:19 |
| tseng | Amaranth: at the end perhaps. | 01:19 |
| Amaranth | ok | 01:19 |
| mako | the next thing was two more suggestions for ops | 01:19 |
| tseng | Amaranth: speak up again then please. | 01:19 |
| jdub | mako: yeah, if you can get me a list (including nicks) after the meeting, i'll fix it up | 01:19 |
| jdub | mako: oh, nicks have to be registered too | 01:19 |
| mako | jdub: awesome | 01:19 |
| mako | jdub: ok, sure.. i suspect most are | 01:20 |
| mako | Seveas and Corey Burger were both suggested as additional #ubuntu ops | 01:20 |
| mako | both are members | 01:20 |
| mako | i know of their contributiosn through irc already and happy to trust them with ops | 01:21 |
| mako | (we do need more) | 01:21 |
| Amaranth | Seveas should be an op | 01:21 |
| Seveas | ...and show a lot of activity in #ubuntu :) | 01:21 |
| ogra | +1 | 01:21 |
| jsgotangco | +1 on Corey Burger | 01:21 |
| sabdfl | fine by me, they have both been steady and valuable members | 01:21 |
| mako | Seveas: right, which is the badly needed thing | 01:21 |
| mdke | yeah corey / seveas rock | 01:21 |
| mako | elmo: any issues? | 01:21 |
| elmo | nope | 01:21 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 01:21 |
| Seveas | sabdfl, on a totally off-topic road: are you still interested in grid computing things, if so, poke me after the meeting | 01:22 |
| mako | ok.. the #kubuntu is owned by haggai | 01:22 |
| motaboy | Night All and thanks again! | 01:22 |
| Seveas | g'might motaboy | 01:22 |
| sabdfl | Seveas: yes absolutely | 01:22 |
| ogra | night motaboy | 01:22 |
| \sh | cu around motaboy | 01:22 |
| Riddell | mako: it's owned by daniels as far as I remember | 01:22 |
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| Amaranth | #kubuntu could use some op love, i've had people in #ubuntu tell me they don't want to go there because people are acting like jerks | 01:22 |
| mako | Riddell: according to chanserv, the contact is haggai | 01:23 |
| mdke | i have just thought of an irc related issue for #ubuntu-doc, the topic is locked down and the founder is no longer part of the team | 01:23 |
| Seveas | fooishbar hass access 30 in #kubuntu | 01:23 |
| mako | Riddell: can you sort that? | 01:23 |
| mako | Riddell: i'm happy delegating op distribution on that channel as you see fit to you and your team unless you want to go through us | 01:23 |
| tseng | mdke: can you try contacting him via email first? | 01:23 |
| Amaranth | mdke: talk to a staff member | 01:23 |
| mako | Riddell: what is average size | 01:23 |
| Amaranth | mdke: freenode staff, i mean | 01:23 |
| mdke | tseng, yeah i will do so | 01:23 |
| tseng | mdke: thanks. | 01:23 |
| tseng | freenode staff is a last resort. | 01:23 |
| Riddell | mako: usually about 80 on the channel | 01:23 |
| mdke | tseng, actually might be able to get hold of him in irc | 01:23 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: who? | 01:24 |
| tseng | mdke: k, im sure he will gladly hand it over. | 01:24 |
| mako | Riddell: alright.. big enough that ops would be good.. small enough that you can probaboly handle it | 01:24 |
| mdke | its chris haas | 01:24 |
| mako | Riddell: but it's up to you guys | 01:24 |
| Riddell | mako: ok, I'll sort it out with haggai and daniels | 01:24 |
| mako | Riddell: excellent :) | 01:25 |
| mako | sabdfl: sound reasonable? | 01:25 |
| mako | Riddell: then talk to uniq :) | 01:25 |
| mako | smurfix: you around? | 01:25 |
| sabdfl | mako: perfectly | 01:25 |
| smurfix | yep | 01:25 |
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| Amaranth | bye | 01:25 |
| Seveas | g'night ivoks, sleep well | 01:25 |
| mako | so it sounds like your someone else was calling for a sort of LoCo HOWTO ? | 01:25 |
| mako | ivoks: night | 01:25 |
| Nafallo | ivoks: nightie :-P | 01:25 |
| lsuactiafner | mako : would alos like a loco howto | 01:26 |
| mdke | me too | 01:26 |
| mdke | good idea | 01:26 |
| smurfix | mako: simira, last meeting. I'll have to put some effort into that | 01:26 |
| mdke | there is a fair amount of information already tho | 01:26 |
| sabdfl | that's an excellent idea | 01:26 |
| mako | mdke: is that something the docteam could help with? | 01:26 |
| ogra | mdke, why did CHaas leave ? | 01:27 |
| mdke | mako, we are a little understaffed, but I personally will be pleased to help, and we can ask them | 01:27 |
| lsuactiafner | we are trying to spread open-source, if that information is easily available more ppl might join us | 01:27 |
| mdke | ogra, before my time I'm afraid, I believe he is a debian developer | 01:27 |
| mako | smurfix: do you know of any really well done loco's that might be able to help distill a little advice ? | 01:27 |
| smurfix | I was hoping that there'd be a miling list *soon* so that I could get a discussion among the loco people going on what works for them | 01:27 |
| ogra | mdke, yep, he's from debian mentors | 01:27 |
| mdke | portugal is quite good i think | 01:27 |
| Seveas | mako, french/spain/norwegian loco (treated last time) seem to be really good | 01:27 |
| smurfix | Basically most of the ones in the "official" list ;-) | 01:28 |
| mako | mdke, smurfix: would you be willing to start a wiki page and outline for brain dump and then contact those folksd | 01:28 |
| mdke | yeah | 01:28 |
| smurfix | already have a wiki page | 01:28 |
| mako | smurfix: wonderful :) | 01:28 |
| smurfix | it's a child of the agenda right now | 01:28 |
| jdub | smurfix: will do that straight away | 01:28 |
| smurfix | jdub: thanks | 01:28 |
| mdke | btw make sure to link the wiki page | 01:28 |
| mako | awesome! | 01:29 |
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| smurfix | mdke: sure | 01:29 |
| mako | smurfix: was there more you wanted on this issue? | 01:29 |
| mdke | who will be involved with the mailing list? | 01:29 |
| mako | i guess that's the next item :) | 01:29 |
| smurfix | mdke: all loco contact people will be subscribed to it | 01:29 |
| mako | "other loco items" | 01:29 |
| mako | right, we'd mentioned this last time.. good idea :) | 01:29 |
| smurfix | mako: not that I know of, but then it's kindof late :-/ | 01:30 |
| mdke | ohuh | 01:30 |
| mako | mdke: ? | 01:30 |
| === mdke smells trouble for his anarchistic teams without leaders ideas | ||
| mako | mdke: no dude, it's CONTACTS | 01:30 |
| mdke | yeah | 01:30 |
| mako | not leaders | 01:30 |
| sabdfl | absolutely - coordination | 01:30 |
| mako | they can be rotating contacts even | 01:30 |
| === jsgotangco reminds mdke that docteam is anarchistic heh | ||
| sabdfl | and we'll welcome multiple people from a loco to subscribe to it | 01:30 |
| jdub | smurfix: you'll get a mail soon, you just need to set the info/description and click the list over to public | 01:30 |
| smurfix | jdub: splendid | 01:31 |
| mdke | the distinction between contact/leader isn't wholly clear from the wiki pages | 01:31 |
| mdke | but i understand what you are getting at | 01:31 |
| mako | sabdfl: yes | 01:31 |
| sabdfl | mako: when we're done with the agenda, i want to gives folks a heads up on the docteam situation | 01:32 |
| mako | mdke: that's probably because we used to have leaders and then sort of just changed it.. there is a more fundemental rewrite that probably would be good but hasn't happened yet yet | 01:32 |
| sabdfl | give | 01:32 |
| mako | sabdfl: yes.. we're almost there | 01:32 |
| mako | smurfix: more loco stuff? | 01:32 |
| smurfix | mako: nope, not from me anyway | 01:32 |
| mako | from anybody else? | 01:33 |
| mako | loco stuff? | 01:33 |
| mdke | mako, as i understand it there are both contacts and leaders now | 01:33 |
| mdke | right? | 01:33 |
| mako | mdke: ehh.. that's a longer discussion :) | 01:33 |
| mdke | ok | 01:33 |
| mako | mdke: the teams have some autonomy.. and the change wasn't retroactive | 01:33 |
| smurfix | mdke: basically, contacts are required, but whether a team has a leader or not is their decision | 01:33 |
| === mdke nods | ||
| mako | alright, sabdfl the floor | 01:34 |
| Amaranth | ? | 01:34 |
| mako | it's any other business time | 01:34 |
| mako | and sabdfl has other business | 01:34 |
| mako | about the doc team | 01:34 |
| === Seveas has other business too | ||
| sabdfl | ok, just a heads up for the CC members and the community | 01:34 |
| sabdfl | the doc team has done some fantastic work, and has also struggled a little bit for direction and leadership | 01:35 |
| sabdfl | i've been watching quietly to see how things would unfold | 01:35 |
| sabdfl | recently they seem to be more unwinding than unfolding, so i think we should ask them to come to the CC formally | 01:35 |
| mdke | *grins* | 01:35 |
| sabdfl | let's try put a plan in place which gives them the direction and authority to make decisions that i think they need | 01:35 |
| === mako nods | ||
| mdke | sabdfl, i had a good chat with jdub about this today | 01:36 |
| sabdfl | but also makes them aware of the fact that they need to work within a framework, especially if they want stuff running on core servers | 01:36 |
| tseng | does anyone have a summary of the issue we are trying to resolve? | 01:36 |
| mdke | i can try | 01:36 |
| sabdfl | i was especially concerned about the "people with email addresses @ubuntu.com" because every member is entitled to an email address @ubuntu.com (not just canonical folks) | 01:36 |
| sabdfl | elmo is looking guilty across my dining room table at this moment :-) | 01:37 |
| mdke | is that related to docteam? | 01:37 |
| sabdfl | nonetheless, this is a team effort, and the doc team is very much part of that team | 01:37 |
| sabdfl | tseng: formats, structures, goals, tools | 01:37 |
| tseng | sabdfl: so problems coming to a concensus? | 01:38 |
| sabdfl | i don't want to prejudge the issue, i'd like them to bring it to the CC | 01:38 |
| sabdfl | tseng: more problems getting ideas agreed on and executed | 01:38 |
| tseng | sure. | 01:38 |
| mdke | i think that is slightly harsh | 01:38 |
| jsgotangco | sabdfl: at the moment, one of our top gun just quit | 01:38 |
| mako | tseng: there was a mini flame war about yelp that mark is probably alluded | 01:38 |
| sabdfl | in particular, there have been some cases where they decided to use a tool, then ran into difficulty getting that tool setup on core servers | 01:38 |
| mdke | the problem has been a lack of direction in general | 01:38 |
| sabdfl | we can't easily support PHP stuff in our core server set, for security reasons, etc | 01:38 |
| Seveas | wouldn't it be a good idea to have a docteam meeting to create directions for the near future? | 01:39 |
| jsgotangco | we'll just have to do what we currently have and create a roadmap for future releases | 01:39 |
| tseng | what about on the virtual servers? | 01:39 |
| sabdfl | since it is entirely a volunteer team, i don't feel that we can instruct them, only try to cooperate | 01:39 |
| tseng | if something is already developed. | 01:39 |
| jsgotangco | Seveas: we plan to hold a meeting this weekend or next | 01:39 |
| sabdfl | and find a path that will give them excellent justice | 01:39 |
| sabdfl | so to speak | 01:39 |
| mako | jsgotangco: that sounds great | 01:39 |
| sabdfl | jsgotangco: good idea | 01:40 |
| sabdfl | to which i'd like to invite the CC members | 01:40 |
| jsgotangco | at the moment, we now only have 3 active contributors to svn | 01:40 |
| jsgotangco | that is a problem | 01:40 |
| Seveas | jsgotangco, ah nice, please announce it in the topic here and at ubuntu-{doc,devel}@lists | 01:40 |
| mako | sabdfl: i agree completely about the volunteer thing | 01:40 |
| jsgotangco | Seveas: yes, i'll cross post | 01:40 |
| mdke | i slightly disagree, we need instruction to some extent | 01:40 |
| mako | sabdfl: i think we need to take a much bigger role in sitting down with them to set clear goals | 01:40 |
| sabdfl | jsgotangco: can i ask you, sean wheller and others to draft up a wiki page listing the issues, as well as your preferred team plan, irrespective of issues in the past with @ubuntu.com email addresses :-) | 01:40 |
| mako | sabdfl: and then working with them through the entire process | 01:40 |
| mdke | because otherwise what happens is, we develop our own methodology and this then gets shot down | 01:40 |
| jsgotangco | sabdfl: sean wheller has just quit | 01:41 |
| sabdfl | jsgotangco: let's see if he's at least help us frame this plan, he's got a good handle on the discussion | 01:41 |
| mako | sabdfl: the docteam is repeatedly complaining that they an island, or underappreciated, or have a strained relationship with the rest of the project | 01:41 |
| Seveas | jsgotangco, me, nalioth probably and probably more of the soon-to-be newbie-help squad can assist too | 01:41 |
| sabdfl | mako: the CC is the right place for them to start building that bridge and getting the support they need | 01:42 |
| jsgotangco | i'll email sean and pick up the pieces of past conversations, its all there | 01:42 |
| mako | sabdfl: i agree.. :) | 01:42 |
| sabdfl | they've never interacted with us as a group | 01:42 |
| sabdfl | jsgotangco: let's try to heal any wounds and make a real effort to get agreement on this | 01:42 |
| mdke | that would be appreciated | 01:42 |
| mdke | :) | 01:42 |
| sabdfl | i read the most recent thread, and saw lots of CAN! CANNOT! CAN! CANNOT! type discussions | 01:42 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 01:42 |
| mako | yes | 01:42 |
| sabdfl | and my feeling is that folks who want to do the work should be picking the tools | 01:42 |
| sabdfl | but again, let's not prejudge the issue | 01:43 |
| === mako agrees with sabdfl | ||
| mdke | whoa | 01:43 |
| mdke | that's not the message that has come down to us | 01:43 |
| sabdfl | mdke: in what way? | 01:43 |
| mdke | lots of tools/methodologies have been rejected | 01:44 |
| mdke | often rightly | 01:44 |
| sabdfl | the ubuntu project is getting big enough that there are going to be conflicting ideas | 01:44 |
| sabdfl | so teams need to do a bit of work to win other parts of the project over to their side | 01:44 |
| mdke | well we try | 01:45 |
| mako | my sense is that the docteam is in a strange power situation | 01:45 |
| sabdfl | if you want to use tools, but the sysadmins are not comfortable running them on the core network, we have a whole suite of virtual servers available for LoCo teams that can be commandeered | 01:45 |
| mdke | but my personal view is that as far as methodology is concerned, direction from up top would work well | 01:45 |
| tseng | i suggested that above :P | 01:45 |
| tseng | i think it would be very easy to point a subdomain at a virtual server and enable any tools they need in a sandbox. | 01:46 |
| mdke | mako, can you explain? | 01:46 |
| tseng | w/o making elmo scream | 01:46 |
| mako | i've sense this recurring theme of the docteam not being part of the core ubuntu community and running into disagreement when dealing with "the project" or "canonical" | 01:46 |
| sabdfl | more importantly, rather than getting into a fight with one or two people, we need to help the doc team formulate their plans and communicate them clearly so we can help them make it happen | 01:46 |
| mdke | sabdfl, ++ | 01:47 |
| sabdfl | mako: partly, i think that's because there's not been a full time person on the team | 01:47 |
| sabdfl | not to lead, but just to be a bridge to other people in other parts of the project | 01:47 |
| Seveas | ++ from me too, i really look forward to the docteam meeting | 01:47 |
| mako | "we do this work, create a methodology, they say no" .. i'm not sure that's an very accurate or even useful narrative.. but it's one i've heard in the last couple weeks on that list | 01:47 |
| mdke | the loss of enrico was a big one | 01:47 |
| mako | mdke: yes | 01:47 |
| jsgotangco | very | 01:47 |
| sabdfl | i'm happy for one of the canonical guys to take a more regular role in working with the docteam | 01:47 |
| sabdfl | anyhow | 01:47 |
| sabdfl | let's not have the meeting now | 01:48 |
| mako | sabdfl: yes | 01:48 |
| mdke | sabdfl, we would be VERY happy :) | 01:48 |
| === mako nods | ||
| sabdfl | jsgotangco: you're on the doc team, right? | 01:48 |
| jsgotangco | at the moment, i will handle the whip | 01:48 |
| mdke | i was delighted when henrik started getting involved | 01:48 |
| jsgotangco | sabdfl: i handle the whip for now | 01:48 |
| mako | jsgotangco: thanks ;) | 01:48 |
| mako | mdke: me too | 01:48 |
| sabdfl | could you bring everyone together? try to get sean and jdub and everyone else who's been part of the discussion | 01:48 |
| mdke | he has lots of great ideas | 01:48 |
| mako | sabdfl: is right.. htis is another meeting | 01:48 |
| mako | i want to be there too | 01:48 |
| sabdfl | ask them to do a wiki page which states - even handedly - the points that have been discussed | 01:48 |
| mako | i can even help organize it if you want | 01:49 |
| jsgotangco | sabdfl: will do and send the email by today | 01:49 |
| sabdfl | let it state both sides where there are divergent views | 01:49 |
| mako | jsgotangco: excellent | 01:49 |
| mdke | cool | 01:49 |
| sabdfl | and then let's get the CC to try and help give it direction | 01:49 |
| smurfix | I can help with virtual server stuff if necessary | 01:49 |
| mako | smurfix: excellent! | 01:49 |
| === smurfix has been doing lots of that lately | ||
| jsgotangco | great | 01:49 |
| mako | winner | 01:49 |
| mako | alright | 01:49 |
| sabdfl | ok, thanks all | 01:49 |
| mako | enough on that? | 01:49 |
| mako | ANY OTHE BUSINESS | 01:49 |
| mako | ? | 01:49 |
| sabdfl | mako: well done | 01:49 |
| smurfix | Any progress on the Linode side, by the way? | 01:49 |
| mdke | thanks mako | 01:49 |
| tseng | mako: yes, Amaranth | 01:49 |
| jsgotangco | sabdfl: thanks | 01:50 |
| jsgotangco | mako: thanks | 01:50 |
| tseng | he missed the members section | 01:50 |
| mako | smurfix: i will kick them | 01:50 |
| Seveas | mako, yes, the list of members-that-need-to-show-up seems to be groing | 01:50 |
| mako | tseng: i'll give him a members file if that's ok | 01:50 |
| smurfix | mako: PLease do that, it starts getting urgent | 01:50 |
| tseng | oh nice | 01:50 |
| mako | tseng: it's a text file but it's, uh, er, canonical (!) | 01:50 |
| Seveas | isn't it an idea to throw out people that don't show up multiple times? | 01:50 |
| smurfix | more so if we set up one for the doc people | 01:50 |
| nalioth | his puter doesnt want him to speak | 01:50 |
| tseng | mako: i mean he was on the list | 01:50 |
| mako | dude, | 01:50 |
| mako | picked a bad time to leave | 01:51 |
| tseng | exactly. | 01:51 |
| mako | any other business | 01:51 |
| mako | ? | 01:51 |
| tseng | not anymore :P | 01:51 |
| mako | tseng: bad timing | 01:51 |
| mdke | he was up for ops in #ubuntu right? | 01:51 |
| mako | next meeting will be at 12UTC? in two weeks? | 01:51 |
| mako | mdke: we can handle that later | 01:51 |
| mako | any objections? | 01:51 |
| mako | alright.. that's the time | 01:51 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 01:51 |
| Seveas | make, are you ignoring me? | 01:51 |
| Seveas | mako* | 01:51 |
| mako | Seveas: no.. go ahead | 01:51 |
| Seveas | mako, yes, the list of members-that-need-to-show-up seems to be growing | 01:52 |
| Seveas | isn't it an idea to throw out people that don't show up multiple times? | 01:52 |
| mako | Seveas: we move them to the bottom | 01:52 |
| Seveas | (admitted, the list is still small now :)) | 01:52 |
| mako | Seveas: if they haven't showed up.. and if they still aren't there after some weeks, we toss em | 01:52 |
| mako | Seveas: i might toss hiweed this week | 01:52 |
| mako | he's welcome to come back of course | 01:52 |
| Seveas | you can toss rave too | 01:52 |
| === mako nods | ||
| tseng | i saw hiweed a total of once. | 01:52 |
| mako | Seveas: was that it? | 01:52 |
| Seveas | yes :) | 01:52 |
| mako | nobody objected to my proposed time.. | 01:52 |
| ogra | mako, MatinEricRacine didn show up since months | 01:53 |
| mdke | good time | 01:53 |
| Seveas | and thanks for the 12am :D | 01:53 |
| mako | my turn to get up at 6am :) | 01:53 |
| mdke | aww | 01:53 |
| \sh | ok..time to sleep for me now..this morning at 9am (7am utc) digital tv is waiting for me | 01:53 |
| mako | maybe earlier :) | 01:53 |
| nalioth | mako: by testimonials do you mean on the wiki or seveas in here tellin what a pita i am? | 01:53 |
| mako | nalioth: we'll talk later :) | 01:53 |
| smurfix | same here ... smurfix => bed. :-/ | 01:53 |
| mako | let me.. END THE MEETING | 01:53 |
| mako | BANG | 01:53 |
| === Seveas needs to be at a PHd defence in 8 hours, so i'm going to bed | ||
| nalioth | ok | 01:53 |
| jsgotangco | BANG | 01:53 |
| mdke | good luck Seveas | 01:53 |
| mako | alright thanks everyone! | 01:53 |
| sabdfl | mako: we can use the LP stuff for membreship from next time onwards | 01:53 |
| \sh | good night...thx for the meeting...mako well done :) | 01:53 |
| jsgotangco | Seveas: good luck | 01:53 |
| mako | sabdfl: *great* | 01:53 |
| sabdfl | https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/ubuntumembers | 01:53 |
| mako | sabdfl: is it ready already? | 01:54 |
| sabdfl | folks, sign up there | 01:54 |
| Nafallo | my rabbit tries to eat my carpet. is the meeting over? ;-) | 01:54 |
| smurfix | cool | 01:54 |
| jsgotangco | will do | 01:54 |
| mdke | supercool | 01:54 |
| mako | sabdfl: will require rewriting some of the process stuff | 01:54 |
| sabdfl | it's nonobvious how to use it, so bonus points for those who figure it out :-) | 01:54 |
| sabdfl | i'll work on the UI over the coming weeks | 01:54 |
| mako | sabdfl: nice :) | 01:54 |
| ogra | Nafallo, does it do that normally if meetings are over ? | 01:54 |
| sabdfl | mako: it will just help us keep the list of who's applied, and who's been approved, and who's declined for now | 01:54 |
| mdke | will be cool when signed CoC capability is back in launchpad | 01:54 |
| mako | sabdfl: cool | 01:54 |
| === mako nods | ||
| Nafallo | ogra: naah, just me that doesn't wanna leave a meeting :-) | 01:55 |
| sabdfl | when we have CoC stuff we can make some things automatic | 01:55 |
| mako | alright.. my dinner is well cold by now :) | 01:55 |
| sabdfl | er... well done dennis :-) | 01:55 |
| sabdfl | night all | 01:55 |
| mdke | night | 01:55 |
| mako | good night! :) | 01:55 |
| Seveas | thnx sabdfl :) | 01:55 |
| ogra | night sabdfl | 01:55 |
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| mgalvin | good nigh all | 01:55 |
| tseng | bye sabdfl | 01:55 |
| Seveas | 'night all | 01:56 |
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| jsgotangco | night | 01:56 |
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| sabdfl | night all | 02:03 |
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