[12:01] and the fact that did, i am a small-scale book collector :) [12:01] mdke: i fully intend to :) [12:01] mdke: party at my place! [12:02] ok.. where is mark === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-58-185.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:02] mako: he's around, he just schnaked on #c [12:02] hehe === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-22.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:02] evening all [12:02] hiya [12:02] yay [12:02] hi [12:02] hi [12:02] hi all [12:02] hey [12:03] <\sh> *yawn* evening sabdfl [12:03] hi sabdfl! :-) [12:03] hi sabdfl [12:03] it's morning allready :) [12:03] smurfix, :) [12:03] hi sabdfl [12:03] ivoks: indeed ;-) [12:03] hi [12:03] <\sh> ivoks: deep night ;) === lsuactiafner [~noirrac@tpc-ip-nas-1-p234.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:03] g'day sabdfl [12:03] hi all [12:03] hi smurfix [12:03] ok === mako just committed a "final" agenda [12:04] opi, what's up with the accent, ahve you ahd too many beers already? [12:04] agenda is at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CommunityCouncilAgenda [12:04] smurfix: greetings [12:04] lets get started.. [12:04] if peopel can state their name for the record, it helps me write things up === mako is benjamin mako hill === Seveas is Dennis Kaarsemaker === sabdfl is Mark Shuttleworth === smurfix is Matthias Urlichs [12:05] Matthew East === opi is Emil Oppeln-Bronikowski === \sh is Stephan Hermann [12:05] mgalvin is Matt Galvin === ivoks is Ante Karamatic === xuzo is Luis Lopez === Nafallo is Christian Bjlevik === DanielN_ is Daniel Neuenschwander === Mez is Martin Meredith === mvo is michael vogt [12:05] pschulz is Paul Schulz === synd [~phillip@h87.43.55.139.ip.alltel.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:05] ok [12:05] for the 3 people that just joined us (including sabdfl), kamion won't be here tonight [12:05] he's moving === nalioth is Marek Spruell [12:05] mako: member candidates first? === anibal is Anibal Monsalve Salazar === dholbach is Daniel Holbach :) === ogra is Oliver Grawert [12:06] lets see is the one loco team person is her [12:06] here [12:06] LjubisaRadovanovic ? [12:06] anybody know his/her nick? [12:06] prevod1 ? [12:06] prevod, [12:06] Yes [12:06] prevod1: Ljubisa? [12:06] prevod - Ljubisa Radovanovic [12:06] prevod1: welcome [12:07] Hi [12:07] from the serbian team? [12:07] So what's happening in the Serbian team? [12:07] welcome, tell us about your plan for a LoCo team, where, who's working on it, goals, opportunities etc === Amaranth is Travis Watkins [12:07] Yes [12:07] just though i'd toss that in there [12:07] most of your webpage is in cyrillic.. which is cool but a little opaque to me :) === Riddell is Jonathan Riddell [12:08] Serbian team heve 5 translator [12:08] readable but still a bit opaque to me :-) [12:08] + 2 admin for forum site [12:08] prevod1: how many people participating in the forums? [12:09] you busy with other stuff right now, prevod1? [12:09] prevod1: have you guys joined this? https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/rosetta/groups/ubuntu-translators/ [12:10] alright.. [12:10] guess so [12:10] looks like I ping timeout [12:10] maybe not busy.. but not quite right [12:10] yeah [12:10] alright [12:10] lets move on to members [12:10] and come back to him if he can fix his connection [12:10] sabdfl: No, for now [12:10] opi, i hear ya === mako just got confused [12:11] Forum http://ubuntu.fsn.org.yu/forum/ 33 members [12:11] prevod1: ok, tell us about the local team, what sorts of things we can help you with to get ubuntu going in Serbia? [12:11] mako: the old session pingedout [12:11] opi: i see that.. now ;) [12:11] Only mail list for naw [12:12] how many big cities are there in serbia? === motaboy is Simone Gotti (and I was smoking :P ) [12:12] are there linux conferences we could help you arrange a presence at? [12:12] sabdfl: 1 bigger than 1 million [12:12] which one is that? [12:12] belgrade [12:12] Beograd - 2 milions + 15 sites > 100 000 [12:13] for the breezy launch, would you be able to put us in touch with the local newspapers and magazines? [12:13] now serbian can be written in either cyrillic and latin, right? [12:13] translate announcements and answer questions from local journalists who want to know more about free software? [12:14] gnome has two serbian translations === uniq is Frode Doeving (sorry for the delay) [12:14] Serbian (sr) and Serbian Jekavian (sr@ije) [12:14] they have http://ubuntu-cs.org/ [12:14] what is the difference there? [12:14] i don't know how much it's related with prevod1 [12:14] s/with/to === loo [~loo@h195202157016.moe.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:15] prevod1, is http://ubuntu-cs.org/ your loco's site? [12:15] Yes [12:16] great :) [12:16] http://prevod.org/osobe/ - Gnome translators [12:17] prevod1: so the translation is into cyrillic and the webstie is in latin? [12:17] On Gnome 2.10 update work members [12:17] prevod1: are you guys also translating for kubuntu apps? [12:17] cyrillic mainly [12:18] http://www.kde.org.yu/ [12:18] is your loco involved with both of those projects? === seb128_ [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-61-2.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:19] hi seb128 [12:20] prevod1, out of interest, what sort of structure does your group have? [12:20] and we have OpenOffice group also http://sr.openoffice.org/ [12:20] prevod1: sounds great [12:20] prevod1: are you limiting yourselves fully to l10n now or are you also working on other things, like conferences and such that sabdfl asked above? [12:21] Sorry, On Gnome 2.10 update work 2 members [12:23] prevod1: so, is your focus just translation at this point? [12:23] or are you interested in advocacy or education or media or other fields? [12:23] ok [12:24] http://www.fsn.org.yu/ FSN Serbia have conferences in plan [12:24] prevod1: thanks for coming to this meeting and keep us posted on your plans! [12:24] They have magasine http://gnuzilla.fsn.org.yu/ [12:24] it would be cool to have an ubuntu presence [12:24] prevod1: if you are still around at the end, we can talk more [12:24] let us know if we can help you in any way, with the conference or cd's or a virtual server or anything else [12:24] mako: lead on [12:24] prevod1: we should move on right now to deal with the other people :) [12:24] alright.. new members [12:25] i saw a number of people in the intro names [12:25] DanielNeuenschwander? [12:25] yep, here :) [12:25] motaboy: remind me before we finish with new candidates to go over you [12:25] DanielN_: why don't you introduce yourself, give us a few sentances to describe your work on ubuntu [12:25] mako: ok! [12:25] what you've done and what you will be doing [12:26] or want to be doing :) [12:26] DanielN_: run with it :) [12:26] your work to date, and your vision for ubuntu, and how you think you can help it attain that vision [12:26] well, i'm active since ~3-4 months in the german ubuntu forums [12:26] if the other guys/girls on the agenda could prepare those intros, it will speed things up too! [12:26] dholbach, ogra, tseng, etc: you guys around to vouch for motu folks? [12:26] sorry guys, I'm sick and will not make it! :-( Have a nice, productive meeting and wait for my Python surprise (if I'll manage to code it;-)) [12:27] DanielN_: where are you based? what's going in your local town with free software? [12:27] mako: present. [12:27] i began focus on the packaging stuff, so i joinet #u-m to look, what happens there [12:27] mako, sure [12:27] get better soon opi [12:27] opi: :(( tak care [12:27] opi, get well soon [12:27] opi: pitter patter :-) [12:27] <\sh> we're here [12:27] see younext meeting [12:27] <\sh> opi:go and sleep and get better [12:28] DanielN_ didnt let me catch my breath in the motu interview :) [12:28] mako, DanielN_ is frequently in #ubuntu-motu [12:28] DanielN_ is pretty inquisitive in #u-m, asking good questions about package-fu. [12:28] DanielN_: which are the packages you are most interested in? [12:28] DanielN_: is making his way in packaging [12:28] DanielN_: it says on your wiki page that you maintain a package in universe and have been working on the Cxx translation? [12:29] mako, its on the review page... we are lagging with reviews.... [12:29] he has one package in the NEWPackages-queue and started working on Cxx, right DanielN_? [12:29] mako: well, it's not in universe (yet?).. i'm just working on it and it's close to be finish [12:29] dholbach: right ;) [12:29] ogra, dholbach: would guys be more comfortable waiting till the next meeting to take a look at that package? [12:29] DanielN_: are you interested in any other aspects of ubuntu beyond code and packaging? [12:29] DanielN_: you're in switzerland, right? sabdfl asked about it :) [12:29] can I give him +1 as member? [12:30] tseng: no [12:30] tseng: yes :) [12:30] k. [12:30] o_o [12:30] mako, i'm fine with DanielN_ for membership he is very interested and does valuable stuff in #ubuntu-motu [12:30] mako = schizophrenic [12:30] mako: i'm getting mixed messages from you there :-) [12:30] <\sh> I would like to see DanielN_ also as member: +1 from me [12:30] sabdfl: i'm more technical interested.. so packaging and those stuff would be main focused.. and i'm not a pretty good coder at all ;) [12:30] +1 [12:31] dholbach: yes, from switzerland :) === mako reassigns all his bugs to DanielN_ [12:31] hehe [12:31] :) [12:31] *snigger* [12:31] ah I wish we could all do that [12:31] <\sh> DanielN_: more gnome or kde...i forgot === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:31] \sh: more gnome === Mez reassings bugs to DanielN_ even though danielN doesnt even know about the project [12:31] morning jsgotangco [12:31] sorry late [12:31] morning [12:31] hey jsgotangco [12:31] (6:30am) [12:31] hi jerome. [12:31] hi jsgotangco [12:31] hey [12:31] <\sh> DanielN_: can I bribe you to become a kde fan? so u can learn from amu, riddell and me ;) [12:32] sabdfl: so, what you wna tto know about switzerland? :) [12:32] DanielN_: yes, was curious about the state of free software in your local community [12:32] \sh: well, i'm open to all ;) just try it [12:32] DanielN_, naah, join the gnome team ;) [12:32] DanielN_: it would be nicer to document the page a bit more, but i'm happy approving you for memership based on the testimonials of motu's :) [12:33] sabdfl: there is of course much of free software in companies (much server side stuff) there are a fiev LUGs too [12:33] <\sh> sabdfl: switzerland is not as big as the table mountain in cape town ;) [12:33] mako, may I be next? I'm late for work already, I'm in Melbourne, Australia [12:33] DanielN_: ion3 team gets the babes/dudes [12:33] anibal: yes.. [12:33] DanielN_: +1 to you from me, thanks for your contribution so far and looking forward to working together going forward! [12:33] elmo: feelings? [12:33] mako: i'll make it fine the wiki page ;) and thanks [12:33] DanielN_: thanks! and thanks for your work so far [12:34] mako: sure [12:34] sabdfl: great thank!! [12:34] DanielN_: welcome! [12:34] DanielN_: signed coc, on my desk :) [12:34] welcome === dholbach congratulates DanielN_ :) [12:34] welcome DanielN_ [12:34] yeah, WOHO :)) [12:34] anibal: alright, you're up [12:34] thanks to all of you [12:34] congrats DanielN_ [12:34] next up? [12:34] congrats DanielN_ :-) [12:34] anibal: do the 3 sentence contributions + vision [12:34] and to my "nerving-noobie-question" repeaters (now who is mentioned, guys) :) [12:34] <\sh> welcome DanielN_ :) [12:34] sabdfl: anibal is jumping the queue so as to not be (more) late to work [12:34] mako, maybe you shouldnt refer it as a "signed coc" - you dont wanna know what went thgrough my head === pschulz01 [~paul@fixed-203-87-111-72.sa.chariot.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:35] I would like to maintain my debian packages in ubuntu [12:35] we used to refer it as 'mako's CoC' [12:35] yay DanielN_ === DanielN_ is damn happy :) [12:35] Mez: :) [12:35] I maintain 2 packages of priority important, five of priority [12:35] standard and 2 in section base. [12:35] Section Priority Package [12:35] ======= ========= ====================== [12:35] perl important libtext-charwidth-perl [12:35] perl important libtext-wrapi18n-perl [12:35] net standard bsd-finger [12:35] net standard nfs-utils [12:35] net standard pidentd [12:35] net standard portmap [12:35] utils standard bzip2 [12:35] base optional fdutils [12:35] base optional pump [12:35] admin optional rpm [12:36] ooh [12:36] Mez, http://www.coc.nl/dopage.pl?thema=any&pagina=algemeen&algemeen_id=126 [12:36] anibal: wow, that's a lot of responsibility, thanks for your contribution to free software and debian, and now ubuntu! [12:36] ;) [12:36] well, it's late here, i'm going to sleep now :) [12:36] night DanielN_ [12:36] cu all guys and thanks alot one more time ;) [12:36] bye DanielN_ [12:36] bye [12:36] :p Seveas [12:36] alright, i know anibal from a number of places.. also met up in australia and other places before that [12:36] <\sh> DanielN_: have a good night night [12:36] been communicating off and on about ubuntu in a number of contexts for a while [12:36] anibal: it will take some time for you to become a developer with upload to main, you'll need to start in motu, and go through the process, is that ok? [12:37] I'm also getting involved with the debian-kernel team, and later with the ubuntu-kernel team [12:37] anibal: great.. that's a great way to contribute :) [12:37] I dont know anibal, but thats an impressive list. [12:37] awesome [12:37] also, because debian has the benefit of maintainer exclusivity, we count on them to inject the pride and quality, then we work across packages [12:37] cool, anibal :) [12:37] <\sh> quite interessting work on his debian page [12:38] anibal: are you aware we don't have a BML in Ubuntu and anyone is free to work on any package? [12:38] so that means that none of us has a veto on a given package in ubuntu [12:38] s/aware/\& and okay with the fact that/ [12:38] elmo, yes I know [12:38] we can only do that because we have a much smaller set of maintainers, and because we get the packages from debian with the quality builtin, otherwise it would be a race to gentoo-land [12:38] sabdfl, MOTU doesnt personalize packages... so no veto ;) [12:38] what's a BML? a black mailing list or what? [12:38] that's okay with me [12:38] dholbach: big maintainer lock [12:38] dholbach: big maintainer lock [12:39] ah ok :) [12:39] it's how debian ensures the quality of its packages [12:39] but it would not work with the ubuntu model [12:39] yes [12:39] i wasn't aware of that abbreviation [12:39] anibal: ok cool, it will be great to have someone with your experience on board. have you met any of the motu yet? [12:39] i'm a little at a loss for what the best process is in terms of membership [12:40] mako: it will be hard since he wants to touch things in main === Keybuk [~scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:40] he'd have to work via someone else, which might be odd as he has the BML [12:40] tseng: yeah, that's a maintainership issue.. and we trust his packaging skills (he's our upstream for those packages) [12:40] well, his debian packages that come into our main are already a way for him to have a positive impact on ubuntu [12:41] surely. === mako nods [12:41] if anibal wants to contribute to ubuntu, then the process would be the same for him as for anyone [12:41] i have no problem with member status for strong debian contributors with interest. [12:41] sabdfl, I have met mako, elmo, Kamion, Keybuk and many other during debconf4 and lca2005 [12:41] so, a question that's worth asking, is what he hopes to do in Ubuntu that he can't do by maintaining the same packages in Debian [12:41] work with motu, become a maintainer and developer there, then become an uploader to main in time === prevod1 is now known as prevod [12:41] anibal? [12:42] Keybuk: i have a few answers for that :) [12:42] Keybuk, I would like to get more involved with ubuntu directly [12:43] <\sh> I would like to hear his opinions on this bl**dy thread on d-d....how can ubuntu/debian debian/ubuntu work together in a human way [12:43] anibal, prepare to be spammed by the MOTU :) [12:43] :) [12:43] \sh: that's another meeting dude [12:43] \sh: eh we need to save that for later [12:43] \sh, not now [12:43] \sh smackdown! [12:43] <\sh> that was only loud thinking [12:43] Seveas: spammed? [12:43] \sh: relax about that, it will settle down once everyone has had a chance to vent spleen [12:44] dholbach, when John got talking abotu backports, he got spammed by MOTU (glares at ogra) lol.. to join them too [12:44] heh [12:44] dholbach, notice the --> :) <-- it's a good thing too push new members to become MOTU's [12:44] \sh, I don't see much of a problem with the interaction between debian ans ubuntu, I think is beneficial for both debian and ubuntu [12:44] Mez, thats not spamming :) [12:44] <\sh> anibal: forget about it right now :) [12:44] sorry ogra, not spamming, just being espescially persistent (aka apamming) [12:44] anibal: ok, i think it';s too soon to approve membership, but i'm personally happy to have you here and hope you'll enjoy working with the motu [12:44] ogra: ... that's recruiting ;-). [12:45] i think anibal is really eager to go to work :) [12:45] hm there is a really long list, maybe we need to focus more. [12:45] Mez, i never give up on fresh meat for the universe ;) [12:45] sabdfl, okay, NP [12:45] once you have done some work with them we'll confirm membership for you, and devel access would be confirmed by the tech board [12:45] anibal: after speaking with you at LCA I'm a little worried that you only with to become an Ubuntu maintainer because we've patched a couple of your packages in the past; when that wouldn't change, because we don't have any kind of Maintainership or NMU policy in Ubuntu -- people would still upload changes [12:45] the last step would be uploading to main [12:45] otoh, you're technical skills are good, so you'd be a great asset if you want to contribute :) [12:45] anibal: it will be cool to have you around in MOTU world :) [12:45] and as mentioned at LCA, if you could package rpm 4.4 for us, that'd be great [12:45] Keybuk: anibal says that's no problem, i'll take him at his word on it [12:46] Keybuk, that was mentioned before you arrived [12:46] i think we're ok on that front [12:46] well, i'm happy to recognize anibals contributions through debian [12:47] anibal - welcome to ubuntu, the motu are the place to get going, then once you've made some distinct contribution there we can confirm membership, maintainership in universe, then maintainership in main [12:47] Keybuk, I'm very grateful about the ubuntu patches for my debian packages :) [12:47] cool [12:47] who's up next? [12:48] StacyWebb [12:48] according to the agenda [12:48] anibal: welcome [12:48] should i speak sometime ? [12:48] is stacy around? [12:48] mgalvin: when we call you :P [12:48] mgalvin, you're after StacyWebb [12:48] stepped away for a min, must have missed it, sorry [12:49] mgalvin: in any case, go on stacy hasn't spoken up yet [12:49] ok, well I live in the US [12:49] I'm an enterprise java developer, db developer, and cvs admin/releaes manager [12:49] been using ubuntu since warty [12:49] I co-authored (ported) the Unofficial Ubuntu Guide to the PowerPC arch [12:49] help out on ubuntu-users [12:49] report bugs [12:49] that's an awesome document [12:49] oh hi mgalvin [12:49] write install reports for install cds/dvds [12:50] hanging around on ubuntu-motu learning new stuff [12:50] sabdfl, thnx :) [12:50] mgalvin: what is your primary area of interest? === mdke draws mgalvin towards #ubuntu-docs [12:50] started packaging some apps, libcwd, gnome-clipboard-daemon, mmsrip, ogre, cegui, ultimatestunts, tuxtype2 [12:50] Started process of becoming a DD [12:50] Already have packages in Debian uploaded by my sponsor madduck [12:50] hope to help keep us in sync with Debian and work on educational stuff, oh and java stuff since I am a java developer ;) [12:50] I am also working on packaing up some games [12:50] there's a big challenge out there now to produce a top-notch set of guides for different users [12:50] MOTUGames! [12:50] my wiki page has some more stuff [12:50] yeah [12:50] sabdfl, nods [12:51] mgalvin, with educational stuff, fo you mean edubuntu/ltsp..? [12:51] +1 on mgalvin, he contributed his ppc doc for inclusion to svn [12:51] yeah, he has some packages in NEWPackages-queue [12:51] <\sh> hmm...siretart is not here ;) [12:51] well, at first educational games... [12:51] mgalvin, hey, we should talk ;) [12:51] but yes, i would like to help out with edubuntu [12:51] +1 for the ppc guide from me :) [12:51] as well [12:51] the guide for ppc is a great contribution [12:52] +1 from me [12:52] +1 [12:52] +1 [12:52] +1 [12:52] elmo: ? [12:52] ack [12:52] done! [12:52] :) [12:52] bam [12:52] mgalvin, congrats! [12:52] welcome aboard mgalvin [12:52] mgalvin: welcome! [12:52] mako - why not just say +2 [12:52] welcome mgalvin [12:52] applause mgalvin [12:52] mgalvin: signed coc on my desk ;) [12:52] woohoo [12:52] yippie thanks all :) [12:52] nvm - I'm an idot and saw mdke and mako as same name [12:52] SvenHerzberg ? [12:52] <\sh> mgalvin: welcome :) [12:52] mako: herzi's not here [12:53] alright [12:53] Mez, ;) [12:53] MarekSpruell [12:53] ? [12:53] they're too similar... half of them is the same! [12:53] nalioth ? [12:53] Howdy! I live in Houston, Tx and spend a lot of time in #ubuntu helpin out brand-new, new and beginner level folks [12:54] i don't understand the difference [12:54] but i appreciate the work :) [12:54] *grin* [12:54] ok, who's up now? [12:54] sabdfl: nalioth [12:54] i only own PPC machines and have built a few binaries for them, but i'm not really into packaging [12:54] nalioth: that's absolutely fine, packaging is only one of many ways to contribute [12:54] not into yet, or disinterested? [12:55] nalioth: do you hang out on both the channel and the forums? [12:55] tseng: packaging is for weenies :) [12:55] mako, bah [12:55] mako: oh man, ill get you later. === mako makes many enemies quickly [12:55] nice to know what you think of the MOTU mako :P [12:55] heh [12:55] I would like to see ubuntu become more dominant in the linux world, and in doing so, become more user-friendly (although it is the most user-friendly distro i've used) === jsgotangco will never package then [12:56] sabdfl: i've been thinking about writing a couple wiki articles, don't hang around much on the forums [12:56] ok [12:56] nalioth: your page seems a little thin [12:56] nalioth: to be a member, you need to be able to point to some "substantial contribution", as well as have a clear idea for where you'd like ubuntu to get to in your community [12:56] nalioth: that's not to say that your contributions aren't substantiall.. just that it's not visibly documented on your page at the moment [12:56] he's been pretty active in #ubuntu though i noticed lately [12:56] I hate to interject but helping new people is a big deal. [12:57] SquishyWaffle: nobody is objecting to that [12:57] I agree with SquishyWaffle [12:57]