[12:01] <ivoks> Amaranth: date --utc
[12:01] <Amaranth> ivoks: i know, i'm just lazy
[12:02] <thesaltydog> dholbach, I have checked with Amaranth too. We need to run upodate-menus and we need the menu file in /usr/lib/menu if we want an entry into the Debian menu.
[12:03] <dholbach> ok ok
[12:03] <dholbach> sorry, i was doing 10 things at once
[12:03] <ogra> erm, wasnt there a dh_menu ?
[12:03] <thesaltydog> dholbach, but I have an open mind. Just tell me your position. (yes I used dj_menu)
[12:03] <thesaltydog> dh_menu
[12:04] <dholbach> thesaltydog: i'm in a meeting at the moment - ok i mail you?
[12:04] <thesaltydog> dholbach, take it easy with your mind... :-)
[12:04] <dholbach> yeah... thank you :)
[12:04] <thesaltydog> dholbach, yes ok for emailing. thesaltydog@gmail.com
[12:04] <thesaltydog> ciao ciao
[12:05] <dholbach> cool
[12:05] <dholbach> have a nice evening
[12:05] <ogra> thesaltydog, or join the meeting :)
[12:05] <ogra> if youre bored ;)
[12:05] <thesaltydog> dholbach, I'm going to sleep. It's midnight here.
[12:05] <ogra> here too
[12:05] <dholbach> here too :)
[12:05] <thesaltydog> but I need to work at 7 tomorrow..
[12:05] <thesaltydog> and I'm very old..:-(
[12:06] <ogra> thesaltydog, i'm 36 ;)
[12:06] <thesaltydog> ogra, you're a baby.. I'm 49!!
[12:06] <ogra> yep, you told me the otherday ;)
[12:07] <thesaltydog> ogra, but still enjoy relaxing with ubuntu..
[12:07] <ogra> :)
[12:07] <\sh> someone who is older then ogra and \sh
[12:07] <\sh> incredible
[12:07] <thesaltydog> ciao to all. Have a nice and profitable meeting.
[12:07] <ogra> thesaltydog, have a nice evening
[12:07] <dholbach> byeeeeeeeee :)
[12:07] <thesaltydog> (tomorrow I have 2 company boards waiting... booooooring!)
[12:35] <\sh> well done DanielN_ sign the CoC and send it to mako
[12:36] <uniq> congrats danieln :)
[12:36] <DanielN_> \sh: i'll do that tomorrow, very tired now
[12:36] <DanielN_> :)
[12:36] <\sh> sleep well dude :)
[12:37] <DanielN_> you too... wann auch immer
[12:37] <DanielN_> ;>
[12:38] <\sh> later this night ;)
[01:18] <dholbach> good night, have a nice evening
[01:18] <ajmitch> hi
[01:21] <SquishyWaffle> Can anyone in here take a look at an update ManEdit package I made and provide some feedback?
[01:27] <SquishyWaffle> ok then...
[01:28] <\sh> SquishyWaffle: later :)
[01:28] <Nafallo> we're all in a meeting ;-)
[01:28] <SquishyWaffle> ah, that's still going? whoops
[01:30] <Unfrgiven> good morning all
[01:31] <ajmitch> hello
[01:32] <tseng> hi
[01:33] <Unfrgiven> after doing an apt-get source <package>, is there any way to apply all the dpatch based patches? so that I can do a test build? ive got a package failing to build atm and i want to see the fully patched source
[01:33] <Unfrgiven> tseng: hey dude
[01:33] <tseng> if you do dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[01:33] <tseng> it applies them all
[01:34] <tseng> the results go in debian/patched
[01:34] <tseng> you can see failures in tehre
[01:34] <Unfrgiven> tseng: excellent, thanks
[01:34] <tseng> a patch log at the various levels
[01:34] <tseng> be careful about cleaning/unapplying the tree before starting over with a new patch
[01:35] <tseng> obviously if you change/remove patches and try to unpatch then
[01:35] <Unfrgiven> yep will do.
[01:35] <tseng> you are effed
[01:36] <\sh> Unfrgiven: my best way to work with sources and patches is a chroot
[01:36] <Unfrgiven> \sh: yeah im using a chroot too.
[01:36] <\sh> Unfrgiven: and inside i'm using debuild only to build directly where i need it..and check the patched sources
[02:03] <\sh> ok..guys...time to sleep...g'night
[02:33] <schweeb> yay, after 2 wks stuck in windows hell, I've finally fixed my Ubuntu install
[02:52] <Nafallo> should I be awake to even try to understand how to make new patches with it? :-)
[02:56] <Mez> ew..
[02:58] <Nafallo> jamessan: hehe, I wish ;-). there is probably a reason xfree86 has dbs :-P.
[02:58] <jamessan> pain  :)
[02:58] <Nafallo> hehe
[02:59] <schweeb> the reason xfree86 has anything is "that's how it's always been"
[02:59] <Nafallo> *s*
[02:59] <schweeb> luckily, changes are on their way
[02:59] <Nafallo> and that's how it always should be :-)
[03:00] <Nafallo> hmm, dang. that comment suddenly became out of place :-P
[03:00] <Mez> I asusme if I'm using a breezy chroot - I want ti to be using a breezy apt/sources.list ?
[03:01] <schweeb> yep
[03:01] <Mez> so I'll have to edit that
[03:02] <tseng> Mez: not pbuilder?
[03:02] <Mez> ????@?
[03:02] <schweeb> yea, I always pbuild
[03:02] <tseng> pbuilder > chroot
[03:02] <schweeb> develop in my home directory
[03:02] <schweeb> then pbuild to build
[03:03] <Mez> o_O
[03:03] <tseng> it automatically cleans up after you.
[03:03] <Mez> I'm just folowing https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot
[03:03] <tseng> PbuilderHowto
[03:03] <Mez> I've not used pbuild before
[03:04] <Mez> what's the difference?
[03:04] <tseng> < tseng> it automatically cleans up after you.
[03:04] <jamessan> pbuild's cleaner and easier
[03:04] <tseng> it installs the builddeps in the chroot
[03:05] <tseng> and removes them when you are done
[03:05] <Mez> wheras a chroot doenst
[03:05] <Mez> thats pretty sweet
[03:05] <tseng> you just sudo pbuilder foo.dsc
[03:05] <tseng> and it does the rest
[03:06] <Mez> sweet
[03:06] <Mez> so I guess I wipe my chroot that I just built?
[03:06] <jamessan> yup
[03:06] <Nafallo> sudo pbuilder build *.dsc even :-)
[03:07] <tseng> pdebuild doesnt work for me?
[03:07] <tseng> says cant find control
[03:07] <Nafallo> tseng: and you are in the package root-dir?
[03:07] <tseng> yes
[03:08] <Mez> I assume when i edit /etc/pbuilder/pbuilderrc
[03:08] <Mez> I just use breezy straight away?>
[03:08] <Nafallo> tseng: always works for me.
[03:08] <Mez>  DISTRIBUTION=breezy
[03:08] <Nafallo> Mez: I had troubles last time I tried that a couple of days ago.
[03:09] <Mez> but if building packages for breezy?
[03:09] <crimsun> don't use breezy directly
[03:10] <Mez> then... how do i use breezy?
[03:10] <Nafallo> Mez: I created hoary and updated to breezy.
[03:10] <crimsun> you must build a hoary pbuilder and dist-upgrade using --override-conf
[03:10] <Mez> build for wary?
[03:10] <Mez> ok
[03:11] <Nafallo> Is there any way I could have multiple pbuilders?
[03:11] <Nafallo> stable + devel
[03:11] <crimsun> yes
[03:12] <crimsun> use different base.tgzs
[03:12] <crimsun> (pbuilder parameter)
[03:12] <Nafallo> crimsun: ahh, thank you _very_ much!
[03:13] <crimsun> np
[03:14] <tseng> bug daniels about dbus
[03:14] <Mez> so basically - if i want to buidl for hoary i use a hoary chroot
[03:14] <Mez> if i want ot build for breezy, use a hoary and then update to breezy
[03:15] <jamessan> s/chroot/pbuild/  :)
[03:15] <Nafallo> tseng: much more fun to bug you :-)
[03:15] <Mez> :P
[03:15] <tseng> well I cant do much about it.
[03:15] <Mez> sorry jamessan  too used to chroot
[03:15] <tseng> well i could
[03:15] <tseng> but it would be rude
[03:15] <Nafallo> tseng: hehehehehe
[03:16] <Nafallo> well
[03:16] <Nafallo> I should sleep
[03:16] <Nafallo> see you all
[03:16] <Nafallo> later today ;-)
[03:22] <tseng> hi
[03:22] <ajmitch> hi tseng
[03:22] <ajmitch> what's new with mono?
[03:22] <tseng> going to upload one now to fix ppc I hope
[03:23] <tseng> then i can get back to apps
[03:25] <tseng> then merge in all the changes from debian
[03:25] <tseng> and maybe rest for awhile
[03:25] <tseng> before a new version of everything hits
[03:25] <ajmitch> there's a few changes again?
[03:26] <tseng> yeah meebey pushed a couple little things int he unstable upload
[03:26] <tseng> and blam, f-spot are updated
[03:26] <ajmitch> right
[03:26] <ajmitch> has anything moved to the desktop seed yet?
[03:26] <tseng> no
[03:26] <tseng> we need to drop mono-jit build-deps across the board
[03:29] <tseng> should it be in the desktop seed?
[03:29] <tseng> im not sure.
[03:29] <tseng> maybe in main now and in desktop for +1
[03:29] <tseng> would make sense
[03:30] <ajmitch> if it does get in, we'll need to arrange for user_xattr to be turned on
[03:30] <tseng> yes
[03:38] <mgalvin> quick question, signing the coc is just the regular gpg --clearsign ... right?
[03:39] <ajmitch> yeah, iirc
[03:39] <mgalvin> thnx
[04:05] <mgalvin> night all
[08:27] <ajmitch> Amaranth: 0.7.5 looks ok to me
[08:27] <Amaranth> w00tage
[08:27] <ajmitch> I'll build & test out :)
[08:27] <Amaranth> hehe
[08:28] <ajmitch> since gnome-menus just had a path change or two, i suspect
[08:28] <Amaranth> wha?
[08:28] <Amaranth> i'll have to backport my lame code for finding the menu file then
[08:28] <ajmitch> Amaranth: I haven't checked gnome-menus
[08:28] <ajmitch> but I just lost all my menu entries until I restarted gnome-panel :)
[08:29] <Amaranth> hehe, nice
[08:29] <Amaranth> at least your panel updates
[08:29] <Amaranth> err, menu
[08:29] <Amaranth> my menu is static until i restart gnome-panel
[08:29] <ajmitch> applications.menu -> gnome-applications.menu
[08:29] <ajmitch> similar for settings.menu
[08:30] <Amaranth> ok, i'll have to release on 0.7.6
[08:30] <ajmitch> ok
[08:30] <ajmitch> check out 06_menus_rename.diff in the latest gnome-menus package
[08:30] <Amaranth> tomorrow though, the code for checking is nasty
[08:30] <Amaranth> yeah, seb consulted me before the change
[08:30] <ajmitch> ah alright
[08:30] <Amaranth> i thought i convinced him to leave it
[08:31] <ajmitch> looks like smeg does need updated, the tree is pretty much empty
[08:32] <Amaranth> well, technically it shouldn't need updated
[08:32] <Amaranth> but gnome-menus sucks wrt the fd.o standard, so i'll have to update it
[08:32] <ajmitch> heh :)
[08:33] <Amaranth> <MergeFile type="parent"> is supposed to save my ass here, if it can't find the one referenced, it's supposed to find a replacement
[08:33] <Amaranth> but i guess it looks for applications.menu files
[08:33] <ajmitch> I guess so
[08:33] <ajmitch> and that's disappeared from /etc/xdg/menus
[08:33] <Amaranth> yeah
[08:34] <Amaranth> if i can find a pygtk clipboard super hacker i hope to have 0.8 out in a week
[08:34] <ajmitch> nah, I haven't done clipboard stuff :)
[08:34] <ajmitch> my pygtk skills are at the beginnner-moderate level
[08:35] <Amaranth> the only one i've found who has doesn't seem to be able to explain it without random bits of code that i can't understand
[08:35] <Amaranth> hey, do you know anything about xgettext?
[08:36] <ajmitch> nope
[08:36] <Amaranth> i have to symlink ./bin/smeg.py to ./bin/smeg and tell xgettext to use that when generating my pot file, otherwise it tries to read it as C
[08:36] <Amaranth> but if i pass --language=Python it doesn't work with my glade file
[08:37] <Amaranth> maybe this is why the straw guys wrote their own...
[08:49] <Lathiat> heh
[10:24] <DanielN_> hi guys :)
[10:24] <DanielN_> can someone tell me, how i add new docks in windowmaker ?
[10:41] <\sh> morning
[10:43] <DanielN_> \sh moin :)
[10:45] <\sh> our new member :)
[10:49] <Amaranth> i was trying to inject myself in the list for consideration
[10:50] <Amaranth> then at the end of the meeting when i was supposed to bring it up my internet connection suddenly died for 7 hours
[11:01] <\sh> next time :)
[11:02] <DanielN_> \sh: yep.. and quite happy new member ;)
[11:07] <DanielN_> argh
[11:08] <DanielN_> windowmaker is a really geeky windowmanager
[12:13] <\sh> grmpf
[12:13] <\sh> patching shitty c++ code
[12:41] <\sh> moins ogra
[12:46] <\sh> ogra: this warped is hell of a sourcecode
[12:51] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[12:53] <ogra> \sh, thats why i gave it to someone capable ;)
[12:53] <ogra> moin
[12:56] <doko> \sh: please ping lamont/infinity about the buildd issues
[12:56] <doko> ajmitch: C++ ping
[12:56] <doko> ogra: C++ ping
[12:56] <doko> DanielN: C++ ping
[12:56] <ogra> doko, pong
[12:57] <doko> or maybe that should be ping++
[12:57] <ogra> hehe
[12:57] <ivoks> hi guys
[12:58] <ajmitch> doko: hello
[12:58] <ajmitch> how are you? :)
[12:58] <ogra> doko, i'm hanging with tse3, cant make it compile, no debian patch and no idea what to do..... my second worse one it tyvis that waits for a fixed libwarped (which is a PITA)
[12:58] <ivoks> ogra: i tried that one too :(
[12:59] <ogra> unicon waits for a fixed Xlibs.h
[12:59] <ivoks> ogra: openscenegraph too
[12:59] <ogra> doko, the others are uploaded and ready since some time....
[12:59] <ogra> (or invalid)
[12:59] <ajmitch> firebird2, socketapi FTBFS
[01:00] <ajmitch> I've got a few ready to upload, and updated some diffs in bugzilla today
[01:00] <ajmitch> gfcui has a > 1MB debdiff :)
[01:00] <ajmitch> gfccore is merely 100k
[01:01] <ajmitch> mostly due to a broken clean target, I suspect
[01:03] <doko> ajmitch, ogra: can these libs be compiled using g++-3.4?
[01:03] <DanielN> doko: i've done one C++ patch, the other 2 open bugs are free for overtaking (build errors, and i have no idea about c++)
[01:03] <doko> DanielN: that's ok, please could you adjust the wiki?
[01:05] <ogra> doko, for tse3 there is a debian patch to make it compil with 3.4, i'll check it....
[01:06] <ogra> but i'm fearing libwarped wont be this easy to solve
[01:06] <doko> DanielN: which is the one you did finish?
[01:06] <ajmitch> doko: shall I upload the ones which I've updated in bugzilla?
[01:07] <DanielN> doko: i've adjusted the wiki long time ago ~2 days!
[01:07] <ajmitch> firebird2 FTBFS with 3.4
[01:07] <DanielN> doko: i've fixed cppopt
[01:09] <ogra> ajmitch, if you find a way to make firbird2 compile, you'll make someone on ubuntu-users very happy *g*
[01:09] <ajmitch> ogra: oh, did I miss something on there?
[01:10] <ajmitch> I tend to skip most threads on there in my gmail account  :)
[01:11] <ogra> ajmitch, yes, a guy who was asking how to get it compiled from source.... since he didnt find the package in universe.... i already pointed him there several times, but he doesnt nderstand
[01:12] <ajmitch> alright
[01:12] <ajmitch> and this  poor guy uses breezy?
[01:14] <ajmitch> hi Nafallo
[01:15] <ajmitch> iirc this was one that originally compiled with 4.0, but subsequent updates broke it
[01:15] <Nafallo> ajmitch: hi :-)
[01:15] <ajmitch> doko: what is needed in rules to build with 3.4? I know there's an ABI flag to set
[01:18] <doko> ajmitch: no flag.
[01:18] <ajmitch> oh?
[01:18] <ajmitch> useful
[01:19] <doko> depends on the build system, try export CC=gcc-3.4 / export CXX=g++-3.4
[01:19] <ajmitch> socketapi built fine with 3.4
[01:19] <ajmitch> for a test I changed the /usr/bin symlinks to make sure it used 3.4
[01:23] <ajmitch> ah, debuild cleans the environment..
[01:36] <\sh> doko: pong ok :)
[01:36] <ogra> yay, tse3 builds
[01:37] <\sh> ogra: this warped stuff result in a beer bath next time ;)
[01:51] <whiprush> tseng: nice release name. ;)
[01:57] <tseng> whiprush: thanks.
[01:58] <tseng> ha ppc failed
[01:59] <ajmitch> and this upload was for ppc love?
[01:59] <tseng> oh fuck me
[01:59] <tseng> we have to bootstrap cli-common again
[02:00] <tseng> when you ftbfs on an arch, you still get the arch indep bits built on ppc
[02:00] <tseng> and since its a version ahead of the arch dep bits, the whole mess in uninstallable
[02:00] <tseng> thanks to cli-common mono is its own build-dep
[02:02] <ogra> heh... its a PTIA
[02:02] <tseng> definately
[02:02] <tseng> i didnt even think of it
[02:12] <\sh> ogra: i fixed now 3 bugs in this damn warped package
[02:13] <ogra> does it work ?
[02:15] <\sh> ogra: I'm just not finished with fixing :)
[02:15] <ogra> heh...
[02:15] <ogra> fun
[02:15] <\sh> fixing, creating patch, copy patch to debian/patches, breezy build *ubuntu1.dsc
[02:16] <\sh> and it's not over
[02:20] <\sh> arped/TimeWarpDecentralizedEventSetFactory.h:55: error: expected `)' before '*' token
[02:20] <\sh> warped/TimeWarpDecentralizedEventSetFactory.cpp:38: error: prototype for 'TimeWarpDecentralizedEventSetFactory::TimeWarpDecentralizedEventSetFactory(TimeWarpSimulationManager*)' does not match any in class 'TimeWarpDecentralizedEventSetFactory'
[02:20] <\sh> another bug
[02:20] <\sh> new one
[02:20] <\sh> oh my god..this is a desaster...for what do we need warped?
[02:20] <ajmitch> \sh: yeah, I've got one that looks just like that :)
[02:21] <ajmitch> \sh: there's only 1 package that I see depending on libwarped0
[02:24] <\sh> but do we really need this app?
[02:24] <ogra> \sh, to make tyvis compile :)
[02:24] <\sh> what the heck is tyvis?
[02:24] <\sh> we need a package statistics about the installations
[02:25] <ajmitch> ah, VHDL simulator
[02:25] <ogra> \sh, the package that depends on warped ;)
[02:25] <ajmitch> very useful :)
[02:25] <\sh> vhdl? wit?
[02:25] <\sh> wit== what is that?
[02:26] <ajmitch> VHSIC hardware description language :)
[02:26] <ajmitch> the language that you'd describe a chip in
[02:26] <\sh> something to eat? pr0n? ,-) i never heard about it...100.000 opensource packages worldwide, and two packages i'm not using in a regular enviroment...
[02:27] <\sh> that means a lot of beer from ogra..yes...
[02:27] <ajmitch> hehe
[02:27] <ogra> a barrel
[02:27] <ogra> or two
[02:27] <\sh> a ? at least 3 ;)
[02:27] <ajmitch> I wish ogra was close enough to supply beer :)
[02:27] <ogra> heh
[02:27] <Amaranth> hrm, tomboy applet and gnome-panel 2.11.3 don't get along
[02:30] <tseng> rebuild it?
[02:30] <\sh> ogra: with this error, u have to provide 5 barrels of beer and 100 kg of nice filet steaks
[02:30] <\sh> ../src/.libs/libwarped.a(eclmplReliablePhysicalCommunicationLayer.o)(.text+0x33d): In function `eclmplReliablePhysicalCommunicationLayer::physicalInit(SimulationConfiguration&)':
[02:30] <\sh> /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux/4.0.1/../../../../include/c++/4.0.1/ext/mt_allocator.h:368: undefined reference to `eclmplTimer::start()'
[02:30] <\sh> ../src/.libs/libwarped.a(eclmplReliablePhysicalCommunicationLayer.o)(.text+0x548): In function `eclmplReliablePhysicalCommunicationLayer::checkRetransmissionTimeout()':
[02:30] <\sh> warped/eclmpl/eclmplReliablePhysicalCommunicationLayer.cpp:355: undefined reference to `eclmplTimer::start()'
[02:31] <tseng> making a livecd seems easier than I thought
[02:31] <ogra> why ? arnt they fun ?
[02:31] <ajmitch> \sh: check for any friend classes, protected members, etc :)
[02:31] <ogra> ducks even
[02:31] <\sh> ajmitch: yeah
[02:31] <\sh> something like this..shitty crappy code that is
[02:32] <ajmitch> \sh: and hope that it doesn't abuse templates
[02:36] <\sh> ajmitch: think there is something wrong with the library itself...there is something missing
[02:36] <ajmitch> worrying
[02:42] <tseng> man i should have seen this coming
[02:42] <tseng> people arent smart enough to figure out my rewrite of this intranet web app
[02:42] <tseng> they need to click the link with the same name as on the old page.
[02:44] <ajmitch> people can't handle change
[02:44] <\sh> http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/shermannpics/desktopshots/
[02:44] <ajmitch> no matter how small
[02:44] <\sh> i will post now screenshots every hour at least ;)
[02:45] <ajmitch> oh, a kde user
[02:45] <ajmitch> my condolences :)
[02:45] <\sh> sure
[02:45] <ogra> hmm, nice shot
[02:45] <ogra> pbuilder: Failed autobuilding of package
[02:45] <ogra>  -> Aborting with an error
[02:45] <ogra> heh
[02:46] <ajmitch> my screen would show a hoary install running in qemu at the moment
[02:46] <ajmitch> a friend of mine is having install issues
[02:46] <rtcm> hello, I noticed ghc6 is FTBFS due to itself not being installable because it depends on libgmp3 which changed name due to the CXX transition, so what is there to do about it?
[02:48] <tseng> that doesnt look as bad as i remember kde
[02:49] <ajmitch> rtcm: we can get it rebuilt
[02:49] <ajmitch> tseng: kde has improved
[02:50] <ogra> rtcm, if the library transition is done we'll have to rebuild the c++ universe....
[02:50] <tseng> doko already started
[02:50] <tseng> rebuilding universe apps
[02:51] <ogra> oh, so the lock is released already ?
[02:51] <tseng> dunno but he is going nuts with apps
[02:51] <tseng> look at changes from yesterday
[02:51] <ogra> tseng, currently i look at changes with "ctrl-A ,select mark all read"
[02:52] <ajmitch> ogra: he sorted out with elmo & infinity that once the libs hit, the apps can be autobuilt
[02:52] <ogra> ah, great
[02:52] <ajmitch> I believe with some dep-wait magic on the buildds
[02:52] <ogra> we should have an announcement for that :)
[02:52] <ajmitch> instead of just blacklisting
[02:52] <ajmitch> confirm with doko :)
[02:52] <rtcm> so it's a matter of time then...
[02:52] <ogra> rtcm, but every help is appreciated ;)
[02:52] <doko> well, not all yet, some people are still working on C++ libs ...
[02:52] <tseng> man compressing the livecd cloop takes forever
[02:53] <tseng> this is a wimpy p3
[02:54] <rtcm> ogra, I would like to at least build a pkg for myself
[02:55] <rtcm> yet i dont how to overcome the circular dependency
[02:55] <ogra> rtcm, so help with the transition, its the easiest way to get familiar with thepackaging structures
[02:55] <ogra> and it will help to speed up the transition for the apps :)
[02:57] <rtcm> my plan was to modify the build-depends but with it having a dep on itself it gets complicated, how do you guys solve it?
[02:58] <tseng> just like that
[02:58] <tseng> youd have to build it twice
[02:58] <ajmitch> oh, it's one of them..
[02:58] <ajmitch> bootstrap madness
[02:58] <jdong> tseng: yeah, not to mention how deleting files doesn't work out too well ;)
[02:59] <ogra> deleting files ?
[03:01] <tseng> yeah im not sure what he means either.
[03:02] <jdong> livecd...
[03:02] <jdong> deleting files doesn't make the cloop smaller
[03:02] <jdong> because it isn't zeroed
[03:02] <jdong> most of the times, you'll need to rsync to a fresh loopback image after customizing
[03:03] <tseng> oh.
[03:03] <tseng> im not sure i need to make it smaller
[03:03] <tseng> i only added one package
[03:04] <jdong> yeah; I was trying to add about 1GB of packages by removing X
[03:04] <jdong> and that didn't go so well
[03:04] <tseng> i removed gaim and openoffice
[03:04] <tseng> since they are pretty useless for this project
[03:04] <jdong> that's not gonna save you much space, unless you rsync
[03:05] <jdong> there's a slight chance of reusing reclaimed space, but most likely that'll save you less than 5% of what you freed
[03:05] <tseng> well ethereal probaly fits in 5% of openoffice :P
[03:06] <jdong> yeah, not to mention the ISO isn't filled to the brim to begin with
[03:06] <jdong> BTW, use --best compression
[03:06] <jdong> it makes a pretty big size difference
[03:06] <tseng> hm
[03:06] <tseng> did you document all this somewhere?
[03:06] <jdong> no;
[03:07] <jdong> well, I'm off to take a stats exam :)
[03:08] <ajmitch> good luck
[03:28] <mgalvin> morning all
[03:29] <ajmitch> hi mgalvin
[04:37] <ogra> mgalvin, nice, you subscribed :-D
[04:39] <\sh> ogra: last try with warped...if this is not working...I will throw it away
[04:40] <ogra> \sh, if this is not working try gcc-3.4 as last resort
[04:40] <\sh> ogra: no...I will fix it ... and when it is  the last what i'm doing
[04:41] <ogra> heh
[04:42] <mgalvin> ogra, yup :),  i also started reading through all the stuff I can find on what you guys have done thus far
[04:42] <ogra> \sh, if it gives you heart attacs, just switch back to 3.4.... we still need you for other stuff
[04:43] <ogra> mgalvin, not very much yet.... we're still at a organizational stage
[04:43] <\sh> hey...don't worry about me and sourcecode stuff ;) my ex-wife kills me before
[04:43] <ogra> mgalvin, i'll be at the skolelinux conference with mark next weekend, i hope to get some more ideas there
[04:44] <\sh> installing
[04:44] <\sh> package building
[04:45] <ajmitch> sigh, managed to throw away a few hours
[04:45] <\sh> looks ok
[04:45] <ajmitch> trying to help friend get hoary installed, failed each time
[04:45] <ajmitch> warty failed, too
[04:46] <\sh> ogra: thank me :) I'm uploading :)
[04:46] <ogra> yay
[04:46] <ajmitch> it works?
[04:46] <mgalvin> ogra, great, i wish i could go, but i'll just have to read about
[04:46] <ajmitch> \sh: well done :)
[04:46] <\sh> ood signature on /home/shermann/breezy/transistion/new/warped/warped_20031216-5ubuntu1.dsc.
[04:46] <\sh> Uploading via ftp warped_20031216-5ubuntu1.dsc: done.
[04:46] <\sh> Uploading via ftp warped_20031216-5ubuntu1.diff.gz: done.
[04:46] <\sh> Uploading via ftp warped_20031216-5ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[04:46] <\sh> Successfully uploaded packages.
[04:47] <ajmitch> nearly 3am, must deal with friend's fs errors tomorrow :)
[04:48] <\sh> but i really don't know if this is working in  a real enviroment ..only fixed the build errors ;)
[04:49] <ajmitch> \sh: if it compiles, it works, right? ;)
[04:49] <\sh> ajmitch: well...
[04:50] <\sh> ajmitch: since this is a numbercrunching whatever shiddy source...
[04:50] <\sh> and now i need a coffee and something to smoke...
[05:07] <ogra> night ajmitch
[05:12] <Riddell> \sh: konqueror-shortcuts comments on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUNewPackages
[05:17] <ivoks> ubuntu rocks! :)
[05:18] <ogra> yep
[05:18] <ogra> :)
[05:18] <ivoks> you remeber that wifi-radar?
[05:19] <ivoks> ok, i packaged simple upstream source
[05:19] <ivoks> but this last version of ubuntu's package
[05:19] <ivoks> will have automatic detection of wifi interface and automatic detection of installed dhcp client
[05:20] <ivoks> instead od Depends: dhclient, it will have Depends: dhclient | pump | dhcpd
[05:21] <ivoks> all these patches camed only 12-24 hours after new upstream source and my ubuntu-package release information
[05:21] <ivoks> and will be included in next upstream version :)
[05:50] <\sh> ok..preparing to go home...laters guys
[05:50] <dholbach> bye \sh
[05:52] <mgalvin> later \sh
[05:58] <Riddell> \sh: feedback of qinx and njam on MOTUNewPackages
[06:10] <DanielN> ree.. wmaker installed here too now :)
[06:37] <mgalvin> does anyone have a sec to review a very simple package?
[06:40] <DanielN> mgalvin: well, i'm not a motu at all, but Distribution must be breezy, not unstable.. if you're talkin about mmstrip
[06:44] <mgalvin> DanielN, yea thats the one, good catch, thnx
[06:44] <DanielN> np ;)
[06:45] <DanielN> mgalvin: you could put the cutted version of GPL in debian/control
[06:46] <jamessan|work> you mean copyright?
[06:47] <DanielN> argh yep
[06:47] <DanielN> :)
[06:48] <mgalvin> is that the prefered method, and just link to /usr/...gpl
[06:49] <mgalvin> that would be cleaner, i'll just do that
[06:49] <DanielN> i'm not sure, but it seems logical to me, cause the full version of GPL is contained in every debian/ubuntu install
[06:50] <DanielN> jamessan: mhm.. i'm using dh_make too, but there isn't any license information automatically put into debian/copyright
[06:50] <mgalvin> yea, i use dh_make too, and just filled in all the required stuff
[06:50] <jamessan|work> DanielN: if you specify that you're packaging a gpl licensed piece of software when you invoke it, there is
[06:50] <tseng> there should be a dh_make --cdbs
[06:50] <tseng> that doesnt give me a raft of crap
[06:51] <jamessan|work> DanielN: -c gpl  is the option
[06:51] <DanielN> jamessan: i should read more man pages ;) but thanks for that hint
[06:52] <jamessan|work> --cdbs is quite handy, too
[06:52] <jamessan|work> probably found out about that from idling here
[06:53] <jamessan|work> may have even been tseng that mentioned it  ;)
[06:53] <dholbach> jamessan|work: idling here is excellent :)
[06:53] <tseng> ?
[06:53] <tseng> is there really a --cdbs?
[06:53] <tseng> i just said < tseng> there should be a dh_make --cdbs
[06:53] <mgalvin> do you guys know of any good cdbs howtos
[06:53] <jamessan|work> hah
[06:53] <ogra> jamessan|work, but please mak sure you fully understand dh_* before packaging with cdbs
[06:53] <jamessan|work> tseng: yes, there is
[06:54] <tseng>        -d, --defaultless
[06:54] <tseng>               Skips  applying the default templates to the target debian directory
[06:54] <jamessan|work> ogra: I started with debhelper.  I don't think cdbs was around when I first started packaging
[06:54] <ogra> jamessan|work, ok :)
[06:55] <dholbach> mgalvin: https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial/CDBS
[06:55] <dholbach> mgalvin: and /usr/share/doc/cdbs/examples
[06:55] <tseng> hm I dont like that
[06:56] <ogra> tseng, what ? -d ?
[06:56] <tseng> yes
[06:56] <tseng> it does absolutely nothing
[06:56] <tseng> I want a basic CDBS package w/o a million .ex files in it.
[06:56] <tseng> not just a different rules file
[06:57] <mgalvin> dholbach, thnx
[06:58] <dholbach> ogra: no
[06:58] <ogra> tseng, use dh_make, throw away the rules file and you are done, or not ?
[06:58] <ogra> dholbach, why ?
[06:58] <ogra> dholbach, i think thats really serious
[06:58] <dholbach> because people tend to copy and paste random crap together
[06:58] <tseng> ogra: eh there are a bunch of examples
[06:58] <dholbach> and cdbs helps with this problem
[06:58] <ogra> dholbach, nope
[06:58] <tseng> *.EX
[06:58] <dholbach> i think so
[06:58] <ogra> dholbach, it prevents people from undersanding the essential part
[06:59] <tseng> or it lowers the barrier to get started
[06:59] <tseng> and they can learn that part as they go
[06:59] <dholbach> it doesn't and if people neglect to understand you won't change it with a policy :)
[06:59] <ogra> dholbach, its fine if you are an old fart in packaging.... but starting with cdbs leaves you dumb...
[06:59] <tseng> if people have to learn it all at once, ala the Debian New Maint guide to do anything
[07:00] <dholbach> no... it just prevents you from copying random stuff together you don't understand
[07:00] <tseng> they might just never finish
[07:00] <mgalvin> in learning all this stuff I have found it very valuable to use the dh_* stuff, it has helped to learn a lot
[07:00] <ogra> dholbach, if people dont understand the dh scripts they shouldnt be MOTUs
[07:00] <Nafallo> tseng: ++ :-)
[07:00] <tseng> ogra: i started with CDBS.
[07:00] <tseng> on tomboy
[07:00] <ogra> dholbach, thats up to the reviewer to judge if copy n paste is bad or not....
[07:01] <dholbach> to the reviewer?
[07:01] <ogra> but i've seen too many packages where cdbs and debhelper was totally mixed up....
[07:01] <ogra> dholbach, yep
[07:01] <dholbach> i think it's generally bad
[07:01] <ogra> dholbach, why should copy n paste be wrong if the result is ok...
[07:02] <ogra> and the reviewer should judge the result.....
[07:02] <dholbach> because it's error-prone
[07:02] <dholbach> it doesn't make any sense
[07:02] <ogra> i cant even judge the skills of a packager if he uses cdbs
[07:02] <dholbach> if i can abbreviate certain tasks, i do it
[07:03] <dholbach> you can by the result: missing files, files in the wrong directory, automatic manpage-generation, ...
[07:03] <ogra> how do i know how good he read his "make" handbook to understand rules files ?
[07:03] <dholbach> there are enough indicators for good skill
[07:03] <ogra> not in cdbs packages....
[07:03] <ogra> my mother could build one if i gave her a list what to do
[07:03] <dholbach> that's your opinion
[07:04] <ogra> its nice to get the task done...
[07:04] <ogra> but for nothing else
[07:04] <dholbach> so you think it's "dirty"?
[07:04] <mgalvin> my only argument here is that i (personally) find it enlightening to do it the "hard" way first the use the more automagic stuff after knowing how the guts work
[07:04] <ogra> and i really cant judge anyone after a cdbs package with 3 lines in the rules
[07:05] <ogra> dholbach, nope, but i think its totally useless to check packaging skills
[07:05] <dholbach> i really don't think so
[07:05] <ogra> or to teach people packaging
[07:05] <dholbach> most packages have problems which you have to solve yourself
[07:06] <dholbach> but spending time on reading up each and every manpage of a dh_* command seems like a waste of time to me; i shouldn't admit it loudly in here, but i think you learn stuff as you go
[07:06] <ogra> dholbach, reading manpages is never a waste of time
[07:07] <ogra> and you should definately know about dh_gconf if you package a gnome app package for example
[07:07] <dholbach> i was talking about each and everyone and copied/pasted rules files
[07:07] <ogra> even for cdbs usage
[07:08] <mgalvin> nothing wrong with learn as you go, we all learn new stuff as we go everyday, although some inital ramp up reading can be a big help in gaining an initial understanding
 they might just never finish ---- but that seperates the most motivated from the lower motivated ;)
[07:08] <ogra> mgalvin, thats not waht i'm saying, learn as you go is what we all do..... i'm a bit concerned that each and everyone here advises people to use cdbs...
[07:09] <dholbach> hi mitsuhiko
[07:09] <ogra> since it gains us not the knowledge growth i'd expect in here....
[07:10] <dholbach> ogra:  most of the time we have people working on the transitions (and that's where i learned), not by the rules-files I copied and pasted :)
[07:10] <ogra> and good knowledge about packaging is the base of all good QA
[07:10] <ogra> dholbach, sure.... and most of the time you have to work with debhelper stuff there...
[07:10] <dholbach> yes
[07:11] <mitsuhiko> dholbach: Hi
[07:11] <dholbach> i think it's more important to have a rules file, which starts by doing general stuff first, just by inclusion of stuff and then you start expanding where you need it
[07:11] <DanielN> oho, mitsuhiko ;)
[07:11] <dholbach> and you DO need it sometimes
[07:12] <dholbach> because a cdbs-rules file, i can write by hand now
[07:18] <ogra> ergh
[07:18] <ogra> \sh, broke the naming of warped....
[07:18] <dholbach> oh
[07:18] <dholbach> what's its name now?
[07:19] <ogra> libwarped0c2
[07:19] <dholbach> what was it's name before?
[07:19] <ogra> but the -dev lib doesnt depend on it
[07:19] <ogra> libwarped0
[07:19] <dholbach> oh
[07:20] <ogra> hmm, it does depend on it... thats strange
[07:21] <dholbach> is it just the depends line, he forgot or what?
[07:21] <dholbach> hey littlepaul
[07:21] <mgalvin> so to create a (basic) cdbs package one should: dh_make ..., remove junk, and add cdbs .mk's to rules, correct? sorry if its a silly question i just haven't used cdbs yet, been doing it all with dh_*
[07:21] <ogra> nope, its rather a lag on the archive i think, the package looks sane.... but the -dev lib tries to pull libwarped0
[07:22] <littlepaul> hi dholbach ;-)
[07:22] <dholbach> mgalvin: have a look at /usr/share/doc/cdbs/examples and the webpage i told you - it just affects debian/rules and ok you have to Build-Depend on cdbs of course
[07:23] <dholbach> ogra: do you have the correct version?
[07:23] <ogra> my pbuilder has the right version of the lib but not the -dev package....
[07:23] <ogra> let me try another update
[07:23] <dholbach> forgot to update shlibs
[07:26] <ogra> dholbach, no .shlibs file :)
[07:26] <dholbach> in the rules-file?
[07:26] <ogra>    dh_makeshlibs -V
[07:26] <ogra>         dh_installdeb
[07:26] <ogra>         dh_shlibdeps
[07:27] <ogra> everything there...
[07:27] <dholbach> By default, the shlibs file generated by this program does not make packages depend on any particular version of the package containing the shared library.
[07:27] <dholbach> that's for dh_makeshlibs
[07:28] <ogra> thus the -V
[07:29] <ogra> but still, the package name changed ....
[07:29] <dholbach> yeah... i quoted the -V paragraph
[07:29] <ogra> ah, i havent looked at the manpage..
[07:30] <dholbach> ok... i'm off again
[07:30] <dholbach> have a nice evening
[07:30] <ogra> ciao
[07:31] <mgalvin> later dholbach
[07:32] <dholbach> *wave*
[07:43] <herve> hi all!
[07:43] <mgalvin> hi herve
[07:44] <mitsuhiko> hi
[07:46] <ogra> hey herve
[07:53] <siretart> hi folks
[07:54] <mitsuhiko> hi
[08:02] <mgalvin> hi siretart
[08:03] <DanielN> hi herve
[08:03] <\sh> re
[08:03] <DanielN> wb \sh :)
[08:03] <mitsuhiko> hi
[08:03] <\sh> i'm tired...
[08:04] <ogra> \sh, sorry to say that, but you forgot to rename a link in the warped rules file :/
[08:04] <\sh> ogra: can happen after all this *censored*
[08:04] <ogra> its only a doc link....
[08:05] <\sh> u fixed it? :) thx a lot
[08:05] <herve> \sh, yeah, I had alerts from your work every 15 min or so
[08:05] <herve> amazing
[08:05] <herve> impressive, even
[08:06] <DanielN> herve: MD5SUM mismatch in when is fixed, just as notice :)
[08:06] <herve> hehe
[08:06] <herve> something tells me universe will soon have a new package ;-)
[08:06] <\sh> herve: alerts?
[08:06] <herve> will check later
[08:06] <herve> \sh, wiki updates
[08:06] <\sh> herve: that was yesterday
[08:08] <herve> I lived quite off-time these days :)-
[08:08] <ogra> \sh,  not yet... but i have it here...
[08:08] <ogra> and it didnt save tyvis.... still compile errors :(
[08:09] <\sh> ogra: grmpf....
[08:09] <\sh> is it also c++?
[08:09] <herve> btw, I won't be much present this week
[08:09] <ogra> \sh, yes... but i havent looked for patches yet....
[08:10] <\sh> show me one of the errors
[08:11] <\sh> ahh....i will compile a wiki page with some interessting docs about porting 32bit to 64bit software, one comes from amd and the other one from suse
[08:11] <ogra> sounds like a very good plan
[08:11] <\sh> but sometimes it's not helping
[08:12] <\sh> much
[08:12] <tritium> Hi trulux
[08:25] <jbailey> jamessan: What do you mean cdbs wasn't around?
[08:25] <jbailey> jamessan: Didn't I get you to use it?
[08:27] <jamessan|work> jbailey: I had been packaging (for myself) before you started sponsoring me and I don't recall if you are who first told me about cdbs.  I think I was already using it.  In fact, I seem to recall a comment about how you liked that I was already using it since it made things easier for you
[08:28] <jbailey> That might be possible.
[08:29] <jamessan|work> yup. "Ah, python distutils using cdbs."
[08:37] <jbailey> =)
[08:40] <Riddell> can you "Build-Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}" ?
[08:40] <tseng> hm no
[08:40] <Riddell> didn't think so
[08:40] <elmo> no
[08:41] <tseng> that gets written to a file at build time
[08:41] <tseng> build-depends is put into the .dsc and stuff
[08:41] <tseng> when you build the source only package
[08:41] <elmo> the real problem is there's a mapping for library -> Depends info, there's no similar mapping from library -> Build-Depends info (i.e. -dev package name, version)
[08:42] <elmo> super-long-term/blue-sky there should be, but right now, you have to do it byhand
[08:53] <siretart> how to display the build dependencies of a not installed source package?
[08:53] <\sh> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PortingSourcesFrom32To64Bit
[08:53] <\sh> siretart: apt-cache showsrc <srcpackage>?
[08:54] <jamessan|work> siretart: look at the .dsc
[08:54] <siretart> \sh: thanks
[08:55] <siretart> jamessan|work: I wanted to avoid downloading the source, \sh's solution is what I was looking for. thanks anyway!
[08:55] <jamessan|work> ah
[08:55] <jamessan|work> that is handy
[08:57] <\sh> If you have some infos about porting apps/libs from 32 to 64bit please put it on this page, mentioned earlier
[09:37] <ivoks> hi all
[09:37] <\sh> hey ivoks
[09:42] <mitsuhiko`futter> moin
[09:43] <mitsuhiko`futter> ^^
[09:48] <herve> I sent a RFS on debian lists (*hint* *hint*) ;-)
[09:48] <herve> hi ivoks
[09:49] <\sh> Unfrgiven: I'm taking some of your libs...to have doko frozenapps list cleared out :)
[09:50] <ivoks> libopenthreads-dev: Depends: libopenthreads (= 0.9.8-4) but it is not installable
[09:50] <ivoks> doh! :(((
[09:50] <ivoks> that's my package :(
[09:50] <\sh> u uploaded?
[09:50] <ivoks> no
[09:50] <HiddenWolf> Guys, I have a weird problem using vlc in hoary. Should I still report a bug there?
[09:51] <ivoks> no
[09:51] <ivoks> :)
[09:51] <\sh> ivoks: whats the problem? it's one of the libs missing during cxx
[09:51] <ivoks> yes...
[09:51] <\sh> ivoks: your key is signed?
[09:51] <\sh> ivoks: ping elmo and nerve him ;)
[09:51] <ivoks> for a moment i tought i sent wrong pathes :)
[09:52] <ivoks> \sh: i contacted elmo and mako
[09:52] <elmo> sh: that's not very helpful ...
[09:52] <ivoks> there is some problem with my gpg
[09:52] <ivoks> so... i can only wait
[09:52] <\sh> elmo: i'm teasing ;)
[09:52] <ivoks> oh, elmo :)
[09:52] <ivoks> hi herve :)
[09:54] <ivoks> xlibs.h creats chain FTBS :)
[09:55] <ogra> ivoks, yep
[09:55] <ogra> ivoks, thats a daniels problem... we have to wait
[09:56] <ogra> ivoks, he said it would be solved tomorrow
[09:56] <ivoks> is unforgiven working on ace?
[09:56] <ogra> woah, really ?
[09:56] <ogra> ace is huge
[09:56] <ivoks> ogra: nice, that would very nice...
[09:57] <ivoks> i tought, maybe we could help him
[09:57] <ivoks> i have one problematic source
[09:57] <ivoks> opencv
[09:57] <\sh> ask him
[09:57] <ogra> ivoks, me too, tyvis....
[09:57] <\sh> it's all one source
[09:57] <\sh> ivoks: help ogra :)
[09:58] <\sh> I'm taking dokos list
[09:58] <\sh> http://lucifer.0c3.net/~adconrad/frozenapps.txt
[09:58] <ivoks> \sh: you can take opencv :)
[09:58] <ogra> OH !
[09:58] <ogra> it built in the background and i didnt even notice
[09:59] <ivoks> ogra: tyvis?
[09:59] <ogra> dpkg-deb: building package `libtyvis1c2' in `../libtyvis1c2_20031216-5ubuntu1_amd64.deb'.
[09:59] <ogra> dpkg-deb: building package `libtyvis1-dev' in `../libtyvis1-dev_20031216-5ubuntu1_amd64.deb'.
[09:59] <ogra> finally....
[09:59] <ivoks> :))
[09:59] <\sh> fsck
[09:59] <ogra> that package has eaten so much time recently
[09:59] <Nafallo> hehe
[10:00] <\sh> the diffs between gcc3.4 and gcc4 are to be damned
[10:00] <Nafallo> kismet ftbfs :-/
[10:00] <\sh> one patch applied, the next error occured
[10:01] <ogra> \sh, some c++ advise, stdint.h didnt work, but:
[10:01] <ogra> #ifndef INT64_MIN
[10:01] <ogra> #define INT64_MIN (-(9223372036854775807 ## L)-1)
[10:01] <ogra> #endif
[10:01] <ogra> #ifndef INT64_MAX
[10:01] <ogra> #define INT64_MAX ((9223372036854775807 ## L))
[10:01] <ogra> #endif
[10:01] <ogra> did
[10:01] <ogra> any idea ?
[10:02] <ogra> i could just leave it this way, but that doesnt feel sane
[10:02] <\sh> yeah
[10:02] <\sh> :)
[10:02] <\sh> i have the solution
[10:02] <ogra> yay
[10:02] <\sh> u have the source of warped there?
[10:02] <ogra> yep
[10:02] <\sh> go to warped-*/src/warped/
[10:02] <\sh> vi warped.h
[10:03] <ogra> oki
[10:03] <\sh> check under #if __HAVE_STDINT_H
[10:03] <\sh> #include <limits>
[10:03] <\sh> and define it just like there
[10:03] <ivoks> khm...
[10:03] <\sh> using namespace std
[10:03] <ivoks> huh?!
[10:04] <ivoks> where did i goet opencv-0.9.6?!
[10:04] <\sh> numeric_limits<longlong>::max()/::min() is it
[10:04] <ivoks> damn...
[10:04] <ogra> \sh, sure its this file ?
[10:04] <\sh> warped.h
[10:04] <\sh> w8
[10:05] <ogra> warped-config.h :)
[10:05] <\sh> ah u don't have the patch
[10:05] <\sh> check the patch
[10:06] <\sh> const warped64_t warped64Max = numeric_limits<long>::max();
[10:06] <\sh> const warped64_t warped64Min = numeric_limits<long>::min();
[10:06] <\sh> const warped64_t warped32Max = numeric_limits<int>::max();
[10:06] <\sh> const warped64_t warped32Min = numeric_limits<int>::min();
[10:06] <\sh> hmm
[10:06] <ogra> yep, i see it
[10:06] <\sh> i think i made a mistake
[10:06] <\sh> can u change long to longlong?
[10:06] <ivoks> ok... am I crazy or what?!
[10:06] <ivoks> there was opencv-0.9.6 in sid
[10:06] <\sh> w8 lemme check the right modifier
[10:06] <ivoks> now there is opencv-0.9.5-10
[10:06] <ogra> \sh, sure
[10:07] <ivoks> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=opencv&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[10:07] <ivoks> check this out
[10:07] <\sh> ogra: numeric_limits<long long>::max()/::min
[10:07] <ogra> \sh, yeps
[10:07] <ivoks> all packages are 0.9.5, but -doc is .6
[10:07] <\sh> please change warped as well, pls :)
[10:08] <\sh> at least just like this:
[10:08] <\sh> numeric_limits<long long>::max()/::min() for 64max and 64min
[10:08] <\sh> numeric_limits<long>::max()/::min() for 32max and 32min
[10:08] <\sh> thx
[10:09] <\sh> no w8
[10:09] <ogra> oh, no int at all ?
[10:09] <\sh> for warped i will do it
[10:09] <\sh> ogra: int and long have the same size under 32but
[10:09] <\sh> aeh bit
[10:09] <ogra> yep
[10:10] <\sh> on 64bit int != long and long != long long
[10:10] <ogra> i read the docs on you wiki page ;)
[10:10] <ogra> your
[10:10] <\sh> it's the same with the docs...they're all weired
[10:11] <\sh> anyways...take over warped ;) i've to fix gtkmm
[10:11] <\sh> your warped stole me my brain, believe me ;)
[10:30] <herve> night all
[10:37] <ivoks> Mithrandir: ping
[10:37] <lamont_r> bible-kjv needs gcc-4.0 love
[10:39] <ogra> gnomesword is too...
[10:39] <ivoks> ogra: copy/paste :)
[10:39] <Nafallo> ivoks: he's on the pub afaik.
[10:39] <Nafallo> :-)
[10:39] <ivoks> on the pub?
[10:40] <ogra> ivoks, c+ makes copy paste easier ?
[10:40] <ogra> +
[10:40] <Nafallo> ivoks: oui
[10:40] <ivoks> ogra: no, but bible is bible, why write new when there is one allready, in c++ :)
[10:40] <ogra> lol
[10:40] <ivoks> Nafallo: in pub?
[10:40] <ogra> ivoks, yes, in the pub
[10:40] <\sh> gtkmm is totally crap
[10:40] <ivoks> ok :)
[10:41] <Nafallo> hehe, yea :-)
[10:41] <ivoks> anyone else with amd64?
[10:41] <Nafallo> on the pub in swedish ;-)
[10:41] <ogra> Nafallo, norwegian
[10:42] <Nafallo> ogra: no, I'm swedish :-)
[10:42] <ogra> Nafallo, but the pub Mithrandir is gone isnt ;)
[10:42] <ogra> Nafallo, at least i think that... dunno how far he likes to drive fr a beer :)
[10:43] <Nafallo> ogra: hehe. unfortunally he didn't wrote where he was going on our channel ;-).
[10:43] <ogra> Nafallo, what the hell do you do with a hoary pbuilder ?
[10:43] <Nafallo> ogra: UniverseSecurity :-)
[10:43] <ogra> ha
[10:44] <ivoks> ok... it builds on i386
[10:44] <ogra> Nafallo, so why arent you in the security team yet ?
[10:44] <Nafallo> ogra: ain't I?
[10:44] <\sh> ogra: did u say, gtk is ok?
[10:44] <\sh> -rw-r--r--  1 shermann shermann 2175 2005-06-08 21:54 01_gtkmm.patch
[10:44] <\sh> -rw-r--r--  1 shermann shermann  866 2005-06-08 22:25 02_src_clist_gen__h.patch
[10:44] <\sh> -rw-r--r--  1 shermann shermann  588 2005-06-08 22:35 03_src_radiobutton_gen__h.patch
[10:44] <\sh> -rw-r--r--  1 shermann shermann  588 2005-06-08 22:43 04_src_radiomenuitem_gen__h.patch
[10:44] <ivoks> render.h:53:22: error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory jesus...
[10:45] <ivoks> one more..
[10:45] <ogra> \sh, as long as you dont mix it with c++, yes ;)
[10:45] <ivoks> i'm so pissed right now...
[10:45] <ivoks> no cxx untill X are fixed :)
[10:45] <\sh> ogra: this gtkmm only consists of .gen_h files...and this will be later c++ code *crapcrap*
[10:45] <ogra> ivoks, i got the same one here
[10:46] <\sh> take the next
[10:46] <ivoks> next?!
[10:46] <Nafallo> ivoks: hehe ;-)
[10:46] <\sh> after some stats on cxxlibrarylist doko is 1st, \sh is 2nd ;)
[10:46] <ivoks> i tried 4
[10:46] <ivoks> all same thing :)
[10:46] <Nafallo> ivoks: daniels said something about tomorrow :-P
[10:46] <ivoks> Nafallo: i know :)
[10:47] <\sh> a "I'm approved as member my Mark personally" t-shirt
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[10:47] <\sh> s/my/by/
[10:47] <Burgundavia> my member was approved by Mark?
[10:48] <\sh> don't take me serious...i'm falling apart
[10:48] <ivoks> it's \sh
[10:48] <ivoks> one and only
[10:48] <ivoks> :)
[10:48] <ogra> Nafallo, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUSecurity ??
[10:48] <ivoks> time for bed
[10:48] <ivoks> ice cream and bed :)
[10:49] <Nafallo> ogra: aha. we don't use the wiki much ;-).
[10:49] <Nafallo> ogra: besides. neither are tseng and astharot :-)
[10:50] <Nafallo> lol!
[10:50] <ivoks> omg... poor dogs
[10:50] <Nafallo> \sh: nice pic ;-)
[10:50] <\sh> Nafallo: check kurioses.blogweb.de
[10:50] <\sh> u will find more
[10:51] <ivoks> finally...
[10:51] <ivoks> looks like we are going to EU :)
[10:51] <\sh> ok...gtkmm is finished and uploaded
[10:55] <Nafallo> hmm
[10:55] <Nafallo> damn wiki!
[10:55] <Nafallo> UnicodeDecodeError :-(
[10:59] <ivoks> bye all!
[11:05] <\sh> ok..debian informed about gtkmm
[11:18] <tseng> Nafallo: hm?
[11:20] <Nafallo> tseng: UniverseSecurity. there is a list of members on MOTUSecurity. and we're not on that list ;-).
[11:20] <Nafallo> tseng: basically :-)
[11:20] <tseng> oh well
[11:20] <tseng> i dont do anything
[11:30] <tseng> Nafallo: im the biggest slacker on the security team, i submitted 0 fixes
[11:30] <Nafallo> tseng: hehe :-)
[11:31] <Nafallo> tseng: I spent the day on xfree86, then looked at the changelog and saw the lib I was fixing wasn't built anymore ;-).
[11:31] <Nafallo> tseng: beat that ;-)
[11:31] <tseng> rocked.
[11:31] <Nafallo> hehe