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uniqi didn't understand it, i just did it. there was a upstream fix in the cvs for gcc 3.4 too. I backported those.. + the manual fixes for the operator== case.12:02
uniqit's a pretty easy fix though.12:02
uniqno big patch.12:02
uniqtouched 3 source files.12:03
uniqand i added dpatch support to the package.12:03
uniqand now i'll have to go to bed. have some catching up to do.. still tired from last night.12:05
uniqgnite.12:05
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JReRiddell: what does mean: Can GPL link against openssl?10:04
RiddellJRe: is openssl licence compatible with GPL?10:44
=== Riddell not sure
JReRiddell: i don't think in fact10:44
JReRiddell: i have read several post on debian-legal10:44
elmoRiddell: no, it's not10:44
JReRiddell: so how can i handle that ?10:45
JRebecause this program is illegal in this case, no ?10:46
elmotry and convince upstream to add support for linking it again gnutls instead10:46
Riddellall the .h files have an openssl exception10:51
Riddellhttp://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ssl.text10:52
Riddellso that should be fine10:52
Riddelljust include that in the debian/copyright file10:52
elmoeh, .h and not .c?10:57
Riddell.cpp files have it too10:59
JRecool upstream is kind ;)11:03
elmook, GPL + Exception is fine11:09
elmo[but you need to be careful you're not linking to any GPL libs ...] 11:09
Riddelllike qt for example11:29
JRemmmmm11:36
RiddellJRe: has debian-legal discussed this programme?11:49
JReRiddell: no i don't think so12:03
elmodebian-legal aren't often/always useful, FWIW12:04
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hungerAny progress on k3b and ooo-kde? Those are the last showstoppers for kubuntu-desktop (as I am sure you all know).12:22
Riddellhunger: amu has a compiling k3b12:23
hungerRiddell: That is great news!12:23
JRegreat!12:28
Riddellk3b has gained hal support so it's extra complex12:31
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JRewoo12:34
\shgnome-app-installer looks nice...we should need something like this for kubuntu12:40
Riddell\sh: mvo is writing a new gnome-app-installer like application but even nicer to use, it'll be in python so I'm hoping shouldn't be too difficult to port to KDE12:43
\shRiddell: yeah I heard about it...i'll try and get the source from mvo and check what I can do to port it to kde12:44
\shhmm...eric3 is anyone working on it?12:45
Riddellcool12:45
Riddell\sh: not that I know of12:45
\shhmm.3.4.1 in breezy..3.7.0 latest release...12:47
\shlets sync it ;)12:48
JReRiddell: maybe it's better to not package katapult i have no reply of the upstream!12:48
RiddellJRe: what did you ask him?12:49
JReRiddell: if i was maintaining katapult anymore12:49
JRes/i/he/12:49
JRe(because of is message on kde-apps)12:50
JRes/is/it's/12:50
Riddell\sh: what version does debian have?12:50
RiddellJRe: it's crazy, the thing just needs some polishing and it'll be a perfect application12:51
\sh3.6.212:51
\shhttp://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/eric12:51
JReRiddell: i know that that what's i said in the mail12:52
Riddellelmo: what's the status of the debian autosyncer?12:52
elmoRiddell: huh?12:52
Riddellelmo: is it on?12:52
JReRiddell: the upstream was thinking that KDE developper was doing that in alt+f2 box so he stopped everything (cf http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=21149)12:52
\shbut i would like to see >=3.7.0 in our tree12:53
elmoRiddell: yes12:53
\shsupport for generation of KDE UIs12:53
\shsupport for ruby projects12:53
Riddell\sh: breezy has eric 3.6.112:56
Riddelland it's -ubuntu so it won't autosync12:56
Riddell\sh: feel free to package 3.7.012:57
\shoh12:57
\sheric3 == 3.4.112:57
\sheric == 3.6.112:57
\shcan we remove at least one?12:57
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JReRiddell: BTW for ktvschedule: the program can't load any data without xmltv but i think it's better to mark it as recommends, no?01:07
RiddellJRe: don't you want it to be able to load data?01:08
JReRiddell: the point is that xmltv make the xml ressource file that ktvschedule load01:08
JReRiddell: but you can run the program without it01:08
JRemmm both way are acceptable01:10
JReRiddell: you prefer that i put it in depends ?01:11
RiddellJRe: but without it you can run the program but it's no use since it can't display any tv schedules01:11
JReRiddell: right01:11
Riddellseems like it should depend on xmltv to me01:11
JReokay01:12
JReRiddell: okay i have fixed brahms01:13
JReRiddell: where i send the patch?01:15
RiddellJRe: I need a fixed package01:18
RiddellJRe: so put the patch in debian/patches, make sure debian/rules uses it, update changelog, 01:18
JReRiddell: okay because the package didnot use debian/patches :(01:19
RiddellJRe: yeah, lots of them don't alas.  you'll need to steal the wee bit of shell script out of an existing package (e.g. baghira)01:20
Riddellunless it's cdbs01:20
JReno not cdbs :( okay i look baghira ;)01:21
JReRiddell: thanks for the trick ;)01:21
Riddellit's two smallish chunks of shell script, one for apply and one for clean01:22
JReokay01:23
JRethere are applied after the diff ?01:23
JRes/there/they/01:23
RiddellJRe: how do you mean?01:24
JReRiddell: it does not cause problem to have one patch debian/patches styled and all the other in the diff.gz ?01:27
RiddellJRe: don't change anything the debian packager has done, but any patches you make should be in debian/patches01:32
JReokay ;)01:33
RiddellJRe: hah, I was just waving my mouse about at the bottom of my NX window and up popped the kooldock I started yesterday02:31
Riddellso it does work :)02:31
JRe:)02:31
JReRiddell: so i have made exploration and i think Kasablanca can't be packaged02:31
JReRiddell: because it depends on libssl-dev02:32
Riddella shame02:35
JRe:( no good ftp client for KDE :(02:37
Riddellkonqueror!02:38
JReRiddell: konqueror is fine but for advenced transfert it can fit02:38
Riddellhas any other distro packaged kasablanca?02:39
JRemaybe i can motive the kasablanca or kftpgrabber upstream to swith to gnutls02:39
JReRiddell: kftpgrabber usptream wonder why it's possible to package kssl in this case02:52
JRe(in kdelibs)02:53
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motaboyHi to all!03:01
JRehi motaboy !03:01
motaboyRiddell: I didn't packaged systempreferences again as I cannot make it work right.03:02
Riddellmotaboy: if you give me what you have I'll see if I can get it sorted03:05
RiddellJRe: there's a suggestion that qt's QPL licence may allow linking to openssl03:05
\shRiddell: what do u think about KAT? 03:06
motaboyRiddell: I simply downloaded it from kdenonbeta(I think) and built it. I'll try to find it.03:06
Riddell\sh: kat the search program?  what about it?03:08
JReRiddell: so what the upstream has to do ?03:08
\shthe desktop search..do we want it in breezy?03:08
Riddell\sh: certainly do, JRe packaged it03:08
motaboyRiddell: I'm starting the koffice packages and I've got a question.03:08
\shnice :)03:08
motaboyRiddell: should koffice-libs be renamed to koffice-libsc2?03:09
motaboyRiddell: I don't think thary are used outside koffice 03:09
JRe\sh: kat is under heavy development, next versions will separate api from gui (krusader will use the api too for instance) and will add an indexing deamon (kded) will be added03:10
Riddell\sh: once JRe fixes the issues with his packages I've reviewed it would be good if you could review them too03:10
Riddellmotaboy: no03:10
\shRiddell: yes no problem..this evening i will review kdebluetooth03:10
Riddellmotaboy: it depends on kdelibs4 which will become kdelibs4c203:10
Riddellmotaboy: so it'll have to be upgraded by that03:11
Riddell\sh: do you have a bluetooth device?03:11
motaboyRiddell: ok thanks. I'm building koffice for breezy. should i also build it for hoary?03:11
\shRiddell: no :(03:11
Riddellmotaboy: which version?03:11
\shRiddell: at least no bluetooth socket for my laptop device03:11
motaboyRiddell: koffice 1.403:11
Riddell\sh: me neither, we probably need to find someone to check it out03:12
Riddellmotaboy: final?03:12
\shRiddell: we need a hardware sponsor 03:12
motaboyRiddell: current SVN, just to try it out and fix the debian files so they'll be ready for the final03:12
Riddellmaybe haggai could look at it if he hasn't already03:13
Riddellmotaboy: cool03:13
KaiL_\sh: I thought, I already said that03:13
KaiL_I could need some silly Laptops for Testing *fg*03:13
\shKaiL_: ask HP ;) 03:13
\shif they want to play with ubuntu..ubuntu devs need the latest hp/compaq laptops they have...with every nifty toy inside..and 300GB hds ;)03:14
KaiL_they clain to care about ubuntu themself, so not interesting03:14
\shwriting blog entry: Seeking Hardware Sponsors for MOTU03:15
KaiL_I had an Asus M2400N here yesterday - after the Bios-Update you can use that to show, how ubuntu works03:16
KaiL_*everything* works :)03:16
\shwell...the only nasty thing about hp/compaq nc6000 is , irda doesn't work as expected (only with heavy modification on irda-utils and installing additional software) and the internal SD card reader03:17
KaiL_for the SD readers I won't give much hope for the next time03:18
KaiL_somebody should configure irda stuff on default03:18
\shKaiL_: it's hps problem03:20
KaiL_any Idea, what HP will do for it?03:20
KaiL_the second is S3 with ATI VGA ;)03:20
\shtheir design of mapping irqs and base addresses is not as expected from the linux kernel.03:20
\shthe chip itself is supported03:20
\shhttp://people.debian.org/~pxt/nc6000/03:21
KaiL_the wifi button might be an ACPI event?03:22
\shi don't have wifi installed03:22
KaiL_I should add irda to my test list03:23
Riddellmotaboy: did you package systempreferences at all or am I remembering wrongly?03:29
motaboyRiddell: I think that I tried it and it had problems. I don't remeber if I packaged it as my harddisk broked some weeks ago.03:31
Riddellmotaboy: ok, ignore me then, I'll package it03:31
motaboyRiddell: did you resolved the problem?03:32
Riddellmotaboy: yes think so03:32
motaboycool03:33
Riddellthese XDG menus are fragile things03:33
KabelKasperRiddell: I have Simone Gotti's kdebluetooth package installed and it's working for me.03:36
RiddellKabelKasper: that's a good sign :)03:37
Riddellneed to work out why they depend on libgtk03:37
KaiL_I have the same result on a friends FSC E801003:37
KaiL_sao this kdebluetooth seams to work :)03:38
KaiL_so..03:38
KaiL_should go into main soon03:39
haggaiRiddell: maybe haggai could look at it if he hasn't already <-- bluetooth?03:43
Riddellhaggai: yep03:45
RiddellJRe: I'll investigate the ssl issue, poke me if I don't get back to you soonish03:49
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JReRiddell: okay!03:52
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haggaiRiddell: I'm taking a look03:55
haggaidato: I'm picking up some bugs on debian experimental's kdepim that don't seem to be packaging related.  Would you prefer me to take them directly upstream?04:10
datohaggai: yes, please04:10
haggaik04:11
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motaboyRiddell: on kdebluetooth I'll make a new package with latest CVS that will be 1.004:24
motaboyRiddell: but then I'm going to throw out all the obex stuffs and create a new project with them (already on my local PC)04:25
Riddellmotaboy: sounds like fun04:26
JReRiddell: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/kubuntu/brahms <- gcc4 fixes04:35
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hungerThis ksysguard thingy is driving me crazy!04:48
hungerThe cpufreq is shown in ksysguard. The load in the ksysguard applet.04:49
hungerBut the cpufreq is NOT working in the applet.04:49
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Riddelltesters and reviews wanted http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/systempreferences/04:56
SquishyWafflegot a quick thing I need someone to try, believe I just found a bug in Thunderbird. Launch it, select multiple messages, hit the reply-all button04:57
RiddellSquishyWaffle: use Kontact04:57
SquishyWaffleis this a known bug?04:57
JReSquishyWaffle: i use KMail04:57
RiddellSquishyWaffle: you need to ask in #ubuntu, we only do KDE here04:57
Riddellor #ubuntu-devel04:57
SquishyWaffleI was just wondering if it's a KDE specific problem since I've had problems with Gnome apps within KDE whereas in Gnome they run fine04:58
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RiddellSquishyWaffle: what problems have you had wiht gnome apps?05:03
SquishyWaffleYelp only half works on the kubuntu docs in the svn repository, sometimes parsing fails: see kynaptic.xml in the ubuntu-doc repository for an example05:04
SquishyWaffleKubuntu is apparently missing a critical component to make it parse correctly and we haven't tracked it down05:04
RiddellJRe: brahms looks good05:06
RiddellJRe: version number should be Xubuntu1 not XbuildX since there's ubuntu changes to it05:06
JReRiddell: i just made a dch -i05:06
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RiddellJRe: I normally call the patch kubuntu_01_gcc4_fixes.diff for easier tracking05:07
JRebecause i didn't want to changes things from the original packager05:07
JReRiddell: okay i rename it05:07
RiddellJRe: don't worry, I can do them05:07
JReokay05:07
RiddellJRe: could you open an entry on malone with a URL to the patch 05:07
RiddellJRe: and e-mail upstream05:07
Riddelland I'll upload this to universe once it's compiled05:08
JReokay for the second, but how i open an entry on malone ?05:08
RiddellJRe: launchpad.ubuntu.com05:08
JReRiddell: capitalization and article in debian/control ;)05:11
RiddellJRe: that'll be me not running lintian then05:13
Riddellbut I like capitals on the description05:13
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JReRiddell: i like it too dunnow what lintian don't ;) ;) ;)05:14
JReRiddell: for the rest your package looks fine! it seems that i recognize the copyright file ;)05:15
JReRiddell: jriddell@ubunut.com  is the right address (seems to be mispelled but maybe it's a trick)05:16
JRe???05:16
RiddellJRe: well spotted.  I'm not used to using that address yes05:18
Riddellyet05:18
RiddellJRe: I stole the copyright file and other bits from ktvschedule05:18
JReRiddell: ;)05:18
JReRiddell: i have adapted the copyright file from the one of digiKam from allee ;) ;) ;)05:20
Riddellhah http://lists.debian.org/debian-lint-maint/2005/01/msg00066.html05:21
JReRiddell: you test kay a little ?05:49
RiddellJRe: no, saving that and ivman for later05:50
JReRiddell: okay ;)05:51
uniqhi guys.06:41
\shunbelievable06:43
Riddell\sh: we think uniq is pretty unbelievable too06:44
\shoh no not uniq...read the stuff on #kubuntu ... I'm banging my head because I can't stop laughing :)06:44
uniqhe.. i'm working on a psychology paper.. it's so boring.06:45
Riddell\sh: just say if you need anyone kicked :)06:47
JRe\sh: what happen ?06:47
\shnono..it's fun :) "i have my server on my laptop" *rotfl* "can't reach www.laptopserverondebian .... down" "no ways, I'm carring it home" 06:48
JRe;)06:49
JRei have my server on my cell phone06:49
=== JRe goodbye all!
\shit's so funny sometimes..u really get frightend..."the next generation internet server is running on a mobile device"06:50
uniq'the new nokia x943 mainframe cellphone, 1 week UPS capacity built in, 3g connection, MMC support" :)06:52
uniqheh.. google-cellphone-cluster :] 06:52
\shlol06:54
\shnew splash for kubuntu 5.10 :)08:55
uniqthe half-porn one? :)09:11
uniqor 'half-porn' :)09:11
\shuniq: check my entry ;) i made half-porn to a lovley splash ;)09:12
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uniqlink to your entry? i'm lazy :)09:15
\shhttp://linux.blogweb.de/archives/30-KUbuntu-Asses.html09:16
uniqthanks.09:16
uniqhah.. great.. now asses is my splash screen. :)09:18
uniqneed a asses wallpaper and kdm-theme too :)09:18
\shlol09:20
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