[12:02] <uniq> i didn't understand it, i just did it. there was a upstream fix in the cvs for gcc 3.4 too. I backported those.. + the manual fixes for the operator== case.
[12:02] <uniq> it's a pretty easy fix though.
[12:02] <uniq> no big patch.
[12:03] <uniq> touched 3 source files.
[12:03] <uniq> and i added dpatch support to the package.
[12:05] <uniq> and now i'll have to go to bed. have some catching up to do.. still tired from last night.
[12:05] <uniq> gnite.
[10:04] <JRe> Riddell: what does mean: Can GPL link against openssl?
[10:44] <Riddell> JRe: is openssl licence compatible with GPL?
[10:44] <JRe> Riddell: i don't think in fact
[10:44] <JRe> Riddell: i have read several post on debian-legal
[10:44] <elmo> Riddell: no, it's not
[10:45] <JRe> Riddell: so how can i handle that ?
[10:46] <JRe> because this program is illegal in this case, no ?
[10:46] <elmo> try and convince upstream to add support for linking it again gnutls instead
[10:51] <Riddell> all the .h files have an openssl exception
[10:52] <Riddell> http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ssl.text
[10:52] <Riddell> so that should be fine
[10:52] <Riddell> just include that in the debian/copyright file
[10:57] <elmo> eh, .h and not .c?
[10:59] <Riddell> .cpp files have it too
[11:03] <JRe> cool upstream is kind ;)
[11:09] <elmo> ok, GPL + Exception is fine
[11:09] <elmo> [but you need to be careful you're not linking to any GPL libs ...] 
[11:29] <Riddell> like qt for example
[11:36] <JRe> mmmmm
[11:49] <Riddell> JRe: has debian-legal discussed this programme?
[12:03] <JRe> Riddell: no i don't think so
[12:04] <elmo> debian-legal aren't often/always useful, FWIW
[12:22] <hunger> Any progress on k3b and ooo-kde? Those are the last showstoppers for kubuntu-desktop (as I am sure you all know).
[12:23] <Riddell> hunger: amu has a compiling k3b
[12:23] <hunger> Riddell: That is great news!
[12:28] <JRe> great!
[12:31] <Riddell> k3b has gained hal support so it's extra complex
[12:34] <JRe> woo
[12:40] <\sh> gnome-app-installer looks nice...we should need something like this for kubuntu
[12:43] <Riddell> \sh: mvo is writing a new gnome-app-installer like application but even nicer to use, it'll be in python so I'm hoping shouldn't be too difficult to port to KDE
[12:44] <\sh> Riddell: yeah I heard about it...i'll try and get the source from mvo and check what I can do to port it to kde
[12:45] <\sh> hmm...eric3 is anyone working on it?
[12:45] <Riddell> cool
[12:45] <Riddell> \sh: not that I know of
[12:47] <\sh> hmm.3.4.1 in breezy..3.7.0 latest release...
[12:48] <\sh> lets sync it ;)
[12:48] <JRe> Riddell: maybe it's better to not package katapult i have no reply of the upstream!
[12:49] <Riddell> JRe: what did you ask him?
[12:49] <JRe> Riddell: if i was maintaining katapult anymore
[12:49] <JRe> s/i/he/
[12:50] <JRe> (because of is message on kde-apps)
[12:50] <JRe> s/is/it's/
[12:50] <Riddell> \sh: what version does debian have?
[12:51] <Riddell> JRe: it's crazy, the thing just needs some polishing and it'll be a perfect application
[12:51] <\sh> 3.6.2
[12:51] <\sh> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/eric
[12:52] <JRe> Riddell: i know that that what's i said in the mail
[12:52] <Riddell> elmo: what's the status of the debian autosyncer?
[12:52] <elmo> Riddell: huh?
[12:52] <Riddell> elmo: is it on?
[12:52] <JRe> Riddell: the upstream was thinking that KDE developper was doing that in alt+f2 box so he stopped everything (cf http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=21149)
[12:53] <\sh> but i would like to see >=3.7.0 in our tree
[12:53] <elmo> Riddell: yes
[12:53] <\sh> support for generation of KDE UIs
[12:53] <\sh> support for ruby projects
[12:56] <Riddell> \sh: breezy has eric 3.6.1
[12:56] <Riddell> and it's -ubuntu so it won't autosync
[12:57] <Riddell> \sh: feel free to package 3.7.0
[12:57] <\sh> oh
[12:57] <\sh> eric3 == 3.4.1
[12:57] <\sh> eric == 3.6.1
[12:57] <\sh> can we remove at least one?
[01:07] <JRe> Riddell: BTW for ktvschedule: the program can't load any data without xmltv but i think it's better to mark it as recommends, no?
[01:08] <Riddell> JRe: don't you want it to be able to load data?
[01:08] <JRe> Riddell: the point is that xmltv make the xml ressource file that ktvschedule load
[01:08] <JRe> Riddell: but you can run the program without it
[01:10] <JRe> mmm both way are acceptable
[01:11] <JRe> Riddell: you prefer that i put it in depends ?
[01:11] <Riddell> JRe: but without it you can run the program but it's no use since it can't display any tv schedules
[01:11] <JRe> Riddell: right
[01:11] <Riddell> seems like it should depend on xmltv to me
[01:12] <JRe> okay
[01:13] <JRe> Riddell: okay i have fixed brahms
[01:15] <JRe> Riddell: where i send the patch?
[01:18] <Riddell> JRe: I need a fixed package
[01:18] <Riddell> JRe: so put the patch in debian/patches, make sure debian/rules uses it, update changelog, 
[01:19] <JRe> Riddell: okay because the package didnot use debian/patches :(
[01:20] <Riddell> JRe: yeah, lots of them don't alas.  you'll need to steal the wee bit of shell script out of an existing package (e.g. baghira)
[01:20] <Riddell> unless it's cdbs
[01:21] <JRe> no not cdbs :( okay i look baghira ;)
[01:21] <JRe> Riddell: thanks for the trick ;)
[01:22] <Riddell> it's two smallish chunks of shell script, one for apply and one for clean
[01:23] <JRe> okay
[01:23] <JRe> there are applied after the diff ?
[01:23] <JRe> s/there/they/
[01:24] <Riddell> JRe: how do you mean?
[01:27] <JRe> Riddell: it does not cause problem to have one patch debian/patches styled and all the other in the diff.gz ?
[01:32] <Riddell> JRe: don't change anything the debian packager has done, but any patches you make should be in debian/patches
[01:33] <JRe> okay ;)
[02:31] <Riddell> JRe: hah, I was just waving my mouse about at the bottom of my NX window and up popped the kooldock I started yesterday
[02:31] <Riddell> so it does work :)
[02:31] <JRe> :)
[02:31] <JRe> Riddell: so i have made exploration and i think Kasablanca can't be packaged
[02:32] <JRe> Riddell: because it depends on libssl-dev
[02:35] <Riddell> a shame
[02:37] <JRe> :( no good ftp client for KDE :(
[02:38] <Riddell> konqueror!
[02:38] <JRe> Riddell: konqueror is fine but for advenced transfert it can fit
[02:39] <Riddell> has any other distro packaged kasablanca?
[02:39] <JRe> maybe i can motive the kasablanca or kftpgrabber upstream to swith to gnutls
[02:52] <JRe> Riddell: kftpgrabber usptream wonder why it's possible to package kssl in this case
[02:53] <JRe> (in kdelibs)
[03:01] <motaboy> Hi to all!
[03:01] <JRe> hi motaboy !
[03:02] <motaboy> Riddell: I didn't packaged systempreferences again as I cannot make it work right.
[03:05] <Riddell> motaboy: if you give me what you have I'll see if I can get it sorted
[03:05] <Riddell> JRe: there's a suggestion that qt's QPL licence may allow linking to openssl
[03:06] <\sh> Riddell: what do u think about KAT? 
[03:06] <motaboy> Riddell: I simply downloaded it from kdenonbeta(I think) and built it. I'll try to find it.
[03:08] <Riddell> \sh: kat the search program?  what about it?
[03:08] <JRe> Riddell: so what the upstream has to do ?
[03:08] <\sh> the desktop search..do we want it in breezy?
[03:08] <Riddell> \sh: certainly do, JRe packaged it
[03:08] <motaboy> Riddell: I'm starting the koffice packages and I've got a question.
[03:08] <\sh> nice :)
[03:09] <motaboy> Riddell: should koffice-libs be renamed to koffice-libsc2?
[03:09] <motaboy> Riddell: I don't think thary are used outside koffice 
[03:10] <JRe> \sh: kat is under heavy development, next versions will separate api from gui (krusader will use the api too for instance) and will add an indexing deamon (kded) will be added
[03:10] <Riddell> \sh: once JRe fixes the issues with his packages I've reviewed it would be good if you could review them too
[03:10] <Riddell> motaboy: no
[03:10] <\sh> Riddell: yes no problem..this evening i will review kdebluetooth
[03:10] <Riddell> motaboy: it depends on kdelibs4 which will become kdelibs4c2
[03:11] <Riddell> motaboy: so it'll have to be upgraded by that
[03:11] <Riddell> \sh: do you have a bluetooth device?
[03:11] <motaboy> Riddell: ok thanks. I'm building koffice for breezy. should i also build it for hoary?
[03:11] <\sh> Riddell: no :(
[03:11] <Riddell> motaboy: which version?
[03:11] <\sh> Riddell: at least no bluetooth socket for my laptop device
[03:11] <motaboy> Riddell: koffice 1.4
[03:12] <Riddell> \sh: me neither, we probably need to find someone to check it out
[03:12] <Riddell> motaboy: final?
[03:12] <\sh> Riddell: we need a hardware sponsor 
[03:12] <motaboy> Riddell: current SVN, just to try it out and fix the debian files so they'll be ready for the final
[03:13] <Riddell> maybe haggai could look at it if he hasn't already
[03:13] <Riddell> motaboy: cool
[03:13] <KaiL_> \sh: I thought, I already said that
[03:13] <KaiL_> I could need some silly Laptops for Testing *fg*
[03:13] <\sh> KaiL_: ask HP ;) 
[03:14] <\sh> if they want to play with ubuntu..ubuntu devs need the latest hp/compaq laptops they have...with every nifty toy inside..and 300GB hds ;)
[03:14] <KaiL_> they clain to care about ubuntu themself, so not interesting
[03:15] <\sh> writing blog entry: Seeking Hardware Sponsors for MOTU
[03:16] <KaiL_> I had an Asus M2400N here yesterday - after the Bios-Update you can use that to show, how ubuntu works
[03:16] <KaiL_> *everything* works :)
[03:17] <\sh> well...the only nasty thing about hp/compaq nc6000 is , irda doesn't work as expected (only with heavy modification on irda-utils and installing additional software) and the internal SD card reader
[03:18] <KaiL_> for the SD readers I won't give much hope for the next time
[03:18] <KaiL_> somebody should configure irda stuff on default
[03:20] <\sh> KaiL_: it's hps problem
[03:20] <KaiL_> any Idea, what HP will do for it?
[03:20] <KaiL_> the second is S3 with ATI VGA ;)
[03:20] <\sh> their design of mapping irqs and base addresses is not as expected from the linux kernel.
[03:20] <\sh> the chip itself is supported
[03:21] <\sh> http://people.debian.org/~pxt/nc6000/
[03:22] <KaiL_> the wifi button might be an ACPI event?
[03:22] <\sh> i don't have wifi installed
[03:23] <KaiL_> I should add irda to my test list
[03:29] <Riddell> motaboy: did you package systempreferences at all or am I remembering wrongly?
[03:31] <motaboy> Riddell: I think that I tried it and it had problems. I don't remeber if I packaged it as my harddisk broked some weeks ago.
[03:31] <Riddell> motaboy: ok, ignore me then, I'll package it
[03:32] <motaboy> Riddell: did you resolved the problem?
[03:32] <Riddell> motaboy: yes think so
[03:33] <motaboy> cool
[03:33] <Riddell> these XDG menus are fragile things
[03:36] <KabelKasper> Riddell: I have Simone Gotti's kdebluetooth package installed and it's working for me.
[03:37] <Riddell> KabelKasper: that's a good sign :)
[03:37] <Riddell> need to work out why they depend on libgtk
[03:37] <KaiL_> I have the same result on a friends FSC E8010
[03:38] <KaiL_> sao this kdebluetooth seams to work :)
[03:38] <KaiL_> so..
[03:39] <KaiL_> should go into main soon
[03:43] <haggai> Riddell: maybe haggai could look at it if he hasn't already <-- bluetooth?
[03:45] <Riddell> haggai: yep
[03:49] <Riddell> JRe: I'll investigate the ssl issue, poke me if I don't get back to you soonish
[03:52] <JRe> Riddell: okay!
[03:55] <haggai> Riddell: I'm taking a look
[04:10] <haggai> dato: I'm picking up some bugs on debian experimental's kdepim that don't seem to be packaging related.  Would you prefer me to take them directly upstream?
[04:10] <dato> haggai: yes, please
[04:11] <haggai> k
[04:24] <motaboy> Riddell: on kdebluetooth I'll make a new package with latest CVS that will be 1.0
[04:25] <motaboy> Riddell: but then I'm going to throw out all the obex stuffs and create a new project with them (already on my local PC)
[04:26] <Riddell> motaboy: sounds like fun
[04:35] <JRe> Riddell: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/kubuntu/brahms <- gcc4 fixes
[04:48] <hunger> This ksysguard thingy is driving me crazy!
[04:49] <hunger> The cpufreq is shown in ksysguard. The load in the ksysguard applet.
[04:49] <hunger> But the cpufreq is NOT working in the applet.
[04:56] <Riddell> testers and reviews wanted http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/systempreferences/
[04:57] <SquishyWaffle> got a quick thing I need someone to try, believe I just found a bug in Thunderbird. Launch it, select multiple messages, hit the reply-all button
[04:57] <Riddell> SquishyWaffle: use Kontact
[04:57] <SquishyWaffle> is this a known bug?
[04:57] <JRe> SquishyWaffle: i use KMail
[04:57] <Riddell> SquishyWaffle: you need to ask in #ubuntu, we only do KDE here
[04:57] <Riddell> or #ubuntu-devel
[04:58] <SquishyWaffle> I was just wondering if it's a KDE specific problem since I've had problems with Gnome apps within KDE whereas in Gnome they run fine
[05:03] <Riddell> SquishyWaffle: what problems have you had wiht gnome apps?
[05:04] <SquishyWaffle> Yelp only half works on the kubuntu docs in the svn repository, sometimes parsing fails: see kynaptic.xml in the ubuntu-doc repository for an example
[05:04] <SquishyWaffle> Kubuntu is apparently missing a critical component to make it parse correctly and we haven't tracked it down
[05:06] <Riddell> JRe: brahms looks good
[05:06] <Riddell> JRe: version number should be Xubuntu1 not XbuildX since there's ubuntu changes to it
[05:06] <JRe> Riddell: i just made a dch -i
[05:07] <Riddell> JRe: I normally call the patch kubuntu_01_gcc4_fixes.diff for easier tracking
[05:07] <JRe> because i didn't want to changes things from the original packager
[05:07] <JRe> Riddell: okay i rename it
[05:07] <Riddell> JRe: don't worry, I can do them
[05:07] <JRe> okay
[05:07] <Riddell> JRe: could you open an entry on malone with a URL to the patch 
[05:07] <Riddell> JRe: and e-mail upstream
[05:08] <Riddell> and I'll upload this to universe once it's compiled
[05:08] <JRe> okay for the second, but how i open an entry on malone ?
[05:08] <Riddell> JRe: launchpad.ubuntu.com
[05:11] <JRe> Riddell: capitalization and article in debian/control ;)
[05:13] <Riddell> JRe: that'll be me not running lintian then
[05:13] <Riddell> but I like capitals on the description
[05:14] <JRe> Riddell: i like it too dunnow what lintian don't ;) ;) ;)
[05:15] <JRe> Riddell: for the rest your package looks fine! it seems that i recognize the copyright file ;)
[05:16] <JRe> Riddell: jriddell@ubunut.com  is the right address (seems to be mispelled but maybe it's a trick)
[05:16] <JRe> ???
[05:18] <Riddell> JRe: well spotted.  I'm not used to using that address yes
[05:18] <Riddell> yet
[05:18] <Riddell> JRe: I stole the copyright file and other bits from ktvschedule
[05:18] <JRe> Riddell: ;)
[05:20] <JRe> Riddell: i have adapted the copyright file from the one of digiKam from allee ;) ;) ;)
[05:21] <Riddell> hah http://lists.debian.org/debian-lint-maint/2005/01/msg00066.html
[05:49] <JRe> Riddell: you test kay a little ?
[05:50] <Riddell> JRe: no, saving that and ivman for later
[05:51] <JRe> Riddell: okay ;)
[06:41] <uniq> hi guys.
[06:43] <\sh> unbelievable
[06:44] <Riddell> \sh: we think uniq is pretty unbelievable too
[06:44] <\sh> oh no not uniq...read the stuff on #kubuntu ... I'm banging my head because I can't stop laughing :)
[06:45] <uniq> he.. i'm working on a psychology paper.. it's so boring.
[06:47] <Riddell> \sh: just say if you need anyone kicked :)
[06:47] <JRe> \sh: what happen ?
[06:48] <\sh> nono..it's fun :) "i have my server on my laptop" *rotfl* "can't reach www.laptopserverondebian .... down" "no ways, I'm carring it home" 
[06:49] <JRe> ;)
[06:49] <JRe> i have my server on my cell phone
[06:50] <\sh> it's so funny sometimes..u really get frightend..."the next generation internet server is running on a mobile device"
[06:52] <uniq> 'the new nokia x943 mainframe cellphone, 1 week UPS capacity built in, 3g connection, MMC support" :)
[06:52] <uniq> heh.. google-cellphone-cluster :] 
[06:54] <\sh> lol
[08:55] <\sh> new splash for kubuntu 5.10 :)
[09:11] <uniq> the half-porn one? :)
[09:11] <uniq> or 'half-porn' :)
[09:12] <\sh> uniq: check my entry ;) i made half-porn to a lovley splash ;)
[09:15] <uniq> link to your entry? i'm lazy :)
[09:16] <\sh> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/30-KUbuntu-Asses.html
[09:16] <uniq> thanks.
[09:18] <uniq> hah.. great.. now asses is my splash screen. :)
[09:18] <uniq> need a asses wallpaper and kdm-theme too :)
[09:20] <\sh> lol