[12:02] thesaltydog, i suppose anyone who uses ddclient will know what ip address means [12:02] ok. I was saying just that!! [12:03] is it installed by default in Ubuntu? [12:03] no! [12:03] ok then [12:03] ip address it is ;) [12:04] wonderful [12:04] another issue.. [12:04] Burgundavia, tell me who to CC and stuff [12:04] for apache I have just put: Web Server [12:04] but someone has changed it to : "Apache web server" [12:04] this is not needed [12:04] oh [12:04] i suppose that is to distinguish it from apache2 [12:05] mdke, contact.gepolabo@free.fr [12:05] as BUM displays: : [12:05] thesaltydog, I changed it [12:05] ah [12:05] ok Burg, thank for the rest [12:05] I didn't realize that [12:05] you couldn't know... [12:05] ah ic [12:05] you did a nice job [12:05] Burgundavia, wanna give me a spiel or shall I copy the product description in launchpad? [12:06] just copy the descrip [12:06] the program isn't even in Ubuntu yet [12:06] k kewl [12:06] So Matt, when you edit the descriptions, keep in mind that users see also the script name. This could help. [12:07] thesaltydog, yes i will :) [12:07] Burgundavia, maybe ubuntu-translators is slightly out of place then, thoughts? [12:07] still, the list is so low traffic that it might wake them up [12:08] yes it would [12:08] the plan is to package is sooner or later [12:08] goodnight to all [12:08] night fabio [12:08] Burgundavia, ok yeah [12:08] if it gets lots of translation updates, I will get off my lazy ass and get it packaged [12:09] interesting app [12:09] a friend of mine was working on something similar [12:09] not open source tho i don't think [12:10] the first version of it is actually trading i think [12:13] email sent [12:13] mdke, cheers, thanks [12:14] bcced you [12:16] got it === Burgundavia wishes to remind all screenshot takers, all over the world, to use a sane them when taking screenshots [12:17] http://gbtcr.chileforge.cl/screenshots/audio_control.png [12:20] *laughs* [12:22] argh === mdke [~mdke@81-178-74-18.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kassetra [~kassetra@c-67-171-201-213.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kinnison [~dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:10] hello kassetra Kinnison [02:10] Hiya :) [02:10] So I'm going over these pages and pages of backports-meeting log.... [02:10] :/ [02:10] And I'm still uncertain what exactly I'm trying to do, other than cut & paste sections around. [02:11] i guess a general summary of decisions taken [02:11] bullet points are very cool [02:11] but i missed most of the meeting, so i don't know what it was like [02:11] long. [02:11] very very long. [02:11] yeah [02:12] there was some officialisation of the backports, is that right? [02:12] yeah. [02:12] they will be in ubuntu repos? [02:12] yep. [02:12] thats cool [02:12] very cool. [02:12] when will that start? [02:12] and who will work on them? [02:12] we're working on the integration right now, if I'm not mistaken. [02:13] jdong and his team. [02:13] right [02:13] excellent [02:13] and will the problems that the devs are always whinghing about be sorted? [02:14] whatever those problems are [02:15] LOL we sorted 99% of them out in the meeting. [02:16] good stuff [02:16] yeah, another reason the meeting was so long. [02:16] so will the backports just go into ubuntu-updates? [02:16] or a separate repo [02:16] I believe (not down to that part yet of the log) that they'll have their own repo... [02:16] but don't quote me on that. [02:31] way to go Troy Williams [02:31] whoever you are [02:54] mpt: around? === SquishyWaffle [~GTaylor@130-127-67-44.lehotsky.clemson.edu] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Kopete] === SquishyWaffle [~GTaylor@130-127-67-44.lehotsky.clemson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:41] morning [03:43] morning dude [03:45] hmmm another patch [03:46] single patch for 3 books? [03:48] better check it out [03:48] you're the kde man ;) [03:48] argghh [03:48] (i dont even use kubuntu lately) [03:48] well you've used it ;) [03:49] hopefully the patches will be good and you can commit em [03:49] i should remind people to patch small [03:49] good idea [03:49] 3 in 1 patch ain't so great for me [03:49] What do you mean you haven't been using Kubuntu lately?:) [03:49] uh oh caught [03:50] i've been into the color of poo lately [03:50] and bad fonts [03:50] Gnome? [03:50] bad fonts? [03:50] my god [03:50] heh === mdke rings the madhouse [03:50] dude [03:50] anything from sean jsgotangco ? [03:50] ask amu and Riddell [03:51] oh yeah cos they're not biased [03:51] KDE is far more superior [03:51] heh [03:51] mdke, he updated the wiki [03:51] i think he's taking his time [03:51] the meeting page? [03:51] yeah [03:51] i even checked email around midnight to see if he reacted [03:51] im glad he updated the wiki [03:52] he has a grasp of things far better than us combined [03:52] stupid wiki [03:52] can't see his diffs [03:52] yeah [03:52] pretty dumb [03:53] wish they'd get the new wiki in, this one is so sloowww [03:53] mdke, for now, let's freeze global.ent to those with commit access [03:53] SquishyWaffle, tuesday [03:53] woohoo! [03:53] no patches to global.ent for now [03:53] jsgotangco, i don't mind, its not like they are difficult to check [03:53] as long as entities are added and not removed [03:54] ill check the links this weekend [03:54] and just group them together [03:54] i have to go sleep [03:54] Thu Jun 9 02:54:49 BST 2005 [03:54] 3AM? [03:54] wow [03:55] only 10 here :) [03:55] :/ [03:55] night then [03:55] cya [03:55] my wife would kill me if im still awake at that time [03:55] cya [03:55] SquishyWaffle, 10am here [03:55] heh [03:55] my she-boss isn't in town right now [03:55] am therefore immune to the "oh my god you've been up really late" attackthing [03:55] heh [03:56] i'll review this patch first [03:56] SquishyWaffle, nice job on the kquickguide [03:56] i missed that toolbar stuff [03:56] thanks, today has been busy otherwise I would've had some more ready. I've been turning it over in my head though [03:56] its ok no rush [03:56] we will make targets next week [03:57] cool. Did we have a section on CD ripping? [03:57] or is there more a kuserguide rather than quickguide topic? [03:57] you can probably do that kind of stuff on the userguide [03:57] the quickguide should just be a visual tour [03:57] ok, so quickguide is bare minimum to get you up and going and userguide is thorough [03:57] that's why i put up this table at the last part [03:57] yeah [03:58] that's the idea [03:58] do you want me to make screenshots of the toolbar elements? [03:58] sure use imagemagick [03:58] i'm almost done with the screenshots of the other apps [03:59] just send the png personally to me when you're ready [03:59] yeah, i didn't want to go take many since I remember you saying that [03:59] i should talk to amu or Riddell about the roadmap though [03:59] screenshots can be a chore [04:17] hmm the patches are rejected [04:17] should request for smaller ones then === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Skywind [~Skywind@218.94.37.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [~ealden@219.90.91.13] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jeff-away is now known as jeffsch [07:20] jdub: pong === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jeffsch is now known as jeff-away [09:14] ealden, ping [09:20] hmm [09:27] jsgotangco, pong :D === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-66.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:56] ealden, intersted in helping out? [10:03] Yep. I'm studying how this team works based on the wiki... [10:04] The initial checkout is a pain over dialup :D [10:07] hmmm [10:07] ill be uploading a ton of PNGs soon [10:07] :) [10:07] Overnight checkouts, then :P [10:08] i'll expect your patches then [10:09] :) [10:10] you better svn up before making any edits though [10:10] if you like a gui front end for svn, try getting esvn from universe [10:12] Hrrm, QT based [10:15] I'm getting it now [10:15] Err... apt-getting.. [10:15] Or whatever term is applicable :P [10:16] checking out [10:18] Ah === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:48] enrico! [10:49] hi! [10:52] enrico, we'll be having a meeting next week, hope it'll work out fine [10:52] enrico, things have been pretty rough, but i guess we'll manage [10:52] jsgotangco: meeting with whom? [10:52] docteam meeting [10:52] you didnt get the email? [10:52] In the list? === enrico looks [10:52] yes [11:00] jsgotangco: found [11:00] that's good [11:01] I don't believe one CC meeting can fix something that requires people from two different groups changing habit, but it's at least a start [11:01] well yeah at least both should have a compromise [11:02] now that froud's been pretty quiet, i think a dialogue is required more than ever [11:03] altough i am glad he updated the wiki page [11:04] morning guys [11:04] mdke, hey [11:05] hey jsgotangco [11:05] alright? [11:06] mm? [11:07] as in, how's it going? [11:08] dude, i'm hooked on media wiki [11:08] hehe [11:09] green tea and mediawiki [11:09] a powerful combination [11:09] Sean texted me back this morning [11:10] hmm is it good? [11:10] he seems ok, he said that he'd had good conversations with mako and henrik [11:10] and that he would try and help us out if needed, but that his decision was to take a break from the team [11:11] ahhh i was expecting that [11:11] he told me he'd rather focus on fringe projects [11:11] well if you have docbook questions I'm sure he won't mind answering them [11:12] yeah but that also means we'll have to work more [11:13] well can do what we can [11:13] well/we [11:13] we'll get there [11:13] heh [11:13] you know how the forum has labels for users, like "Ubuntu developer" and stuff [11:13] there's one which is "forum donator" [11:13] :-( [11:14] hmmm [11:14] ranks suck [11:14] so much [11:14] but don't worry, you can buy one! [11:14] i rarely go to the forums [11:14] hah [11:14] backports is pretty big over there though [11:15] yes [11:15] main, mediawiki is soo coooler than moin [11:15] skinning this looks difficult though [11:16] no wonder mediawiki powered wikis look the same [11:16] *listens with great interest* [11:17] mdke, so much for the portal [11:17] ? [11:18] the docteam portal project [11:18] what about it? [11:18] are we going to pusue it? [11:18] i'd rather fix what's in svn for now [11:19] along with the wiki stuff to be ported [11:19] well henrik has a good idea about this [11:19] to separate out what people are doing [11:19] good thing henrik is diving in [11:19] group 1. works on the existing methodology and svn and such [11:19] group 2. pursues new technologies [11:20] yeah henrik is cool [11:20] naturally that idea doesn't stop people from doing things in both groups [11:20] true [11:20] "2 cultures" [11:20] just focuses work a bit more, and prevents the current work from getting slowed down [11:22] the 2 cultures thing refers to the divide between science and humanities [11:22] in this case, i think he meant science (devel) and humanities (doc) [11:24] not sure if it works, but its an interesting idea [11:32] i thought i read devil [11:32] hehe [11:33] hey do you have an ubuntu t-shirt [11:33] i need an ubuntu t-shirt [11:34] did you ask henrik? [11:34] i have 2 [11:35] or probably claire [11:35] who is claire? [11:35] claire puts order in mark's life in Uk [11:35] email her [11:35] claire@canonical.com [11:35] right [11:36] you're in london right [11:36] i am [11:36] simira was going to start an ubuntu shop [11:36] i wonder if she got anywhere with that [11:37] hmmm [11:37] cafepress? === aatim [~asdf@202.69.167.225] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:37] we have brown shirts [11:39] mdke, were you able to read thart article on sabdfl that was sent in sounder [11:39] erm [11:39] i'm not subscribed [11:39] where is that [11:39] hrmm [11:40] http://free.financialmail.co.za/05/0603/cover/coverstory.htm [11:42] thanks [11:43] "By 2010," Shuttleworth predicts, "Linux will have displaced proprietary software on the desktop." [11:43] *grins* [11:43] whatever [11:45] south kensington eh [11:46] wonder when would be the time i can go to space [12:05] ok i'll see y'all later [12:06] Bye mdke [12:07] later [01:58] *grins* [01:58] a gnome bug closed in less than 10 minutes [01:58] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307013 [01:58] dunno where they got their reputation for not listening to users from === mdke grumbles [02:10] Bitter LOL :) [02:11] *grins* === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:29] i'm not letting it go.. [02:30] Oh [02:30] ? [02:30] ;) [02:30] Hehe [02:30] ealden, i've filed another bug with an alternative solution [02:30] #307019 [02:35] Checking... [02:37] mdke, you aren't using Nautilus in spatial mode? [02:37] no [02:38] I see... [02:38] Nice find [02:38] a guy on #ubuntu-it did it [02:39] Oh [02:39] i'm just passing on ideas [02:39] Hehe [02:39] we need multilingual bugzilla [02:40] Yes [02:40] I just realized that I have never used the Notes feature heh [02:41] me neither until today [02:41] its awesome tho [02:41] Hey this is cool! [02:42] A big notes emblem appeared! [02:42] Wow! [02:43] Are notes preserved across computers? [02:43] no they are saved locally to nautilus i think [03:02] mdke, yeah, I tried hehe [03:02] mdke, makes sense for it to be local only though [03:19] gooood morning #ubuntu-doc [03:20] morning SquishyWaffle [03:20] playing with the Gnome devs today? :) === mgalvin [~mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:31] hmm [03:31] who knows how to work with diffs in svn? [03:33] mdke, this may help [03:33] http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/re09.html [03:33] thanks [03:33] np [03:34] i am looking at a diff already, and want to figure out how to apply some, not all of it in svn [03:34] should I manually edit the diff? [03:35] don't you patch your local copy then commit it? [03:36] yes, you want to patch what you have with the diff, man patch [03:36] yes [03:36] i am not sure if you can apply just part of a diff [03:37] hmm [03:37] you can with some manual edits :) [03:37] i'll try just deleting the part i don't like [03:37] yeah, that's your best met [03:37] be [03:37] bet, crap I can't spell today [03:39] are you patching one of the KDE guides or am I safe to start tinkering? [03:39] yeah i am [03:39] gimme a bit [03:39] you can tinker anyway [03:39] ok, I'll see if I can get the Kynaptic doc to parse [03:40] does it not parse? [03:40] not for us KDE guys [03:40] we have a validate script that checks the xml [03:40] well it parses but it's a huge blob of unbroken text [03:40] you can use it to check the xml ./validate.sh [03:41] there's something seriously wrong with it :( [03:42] gtaylor@gislinux1:~/ubuntu-doc/kde/kynaptic/C$ yelp kynaptic.xml [03:42] I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/home/gtaylor/.gnome2/yelp-bookmarks.xbel" [03:42] /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: No such file or directory [03:43] thats because you're not using gnome i presume [03:43] yeah, but it's a KDE guide [03:43] but if the xml is valid, that's all you can do [03:43] SquishyWaffle, yelp is for gnome [03:43] but is there any other way to read it other than yelp from KDE? [03:43] create an html out of it [03:43] argh [03:44] applying parts of a patch is hard [03:44] i can't be bothered [03:50] ok [03:50] controversial question about how to spell vice-versa [03:50] we have vise-verse vis-a-verse [03:51] I hear vice-versa a lot more [03:51] yeah that's the correct one i'm sure === mdke edits the patch [03:57] Which one of you were working on the Style Guide? [03:57] jeff-away [03:57] ok [04:06] in the StyleGuide, there's a section called 'Document Structure'. Should I put the list of tags there or create another section, keeping in mind that as per his layout, each section = 1 additional file. [04:06] is this on the wiki or in svn? [04:06] the svn Style Guide [04:07] hmm [04:07] maybe separate doc? Probably best to ask jeff tho [04:07] document structure could be many things in my mind [04:07] yeah, any idea when he's usually around? [04:07] you've made an xml version of the wiki page? [04:07] SquishyWaffle, not sure when he's around [04:07] I'm about to [04:07] As per his request [04:07] SquishyWaffle, if you like you can consider testing our wiki->docbook script which mvirkkil wrote [04:08] where is this located? [04:08] ubuntu-docs/teamstuff/moin2db [04:08] there's a readme [04:09] checking it out [04:16] I haven't heard anything regarding my svn access :( [04:16]