[12:19] <schweeb> howdy all
[12:26] <Nafallo> schweeb: hi :-)
[12:31] <lamont_r> clips needs xorg love
[12:32] <lamont_r> and elastic needs gcc-4.0 lovfe
[12:32] <lamont_r> as do entity and ferite
[12:32] <lamont_r> and zopex3
[12:34] <Nafallo> and kismet :-)?
[12:44] <tseng> hi.
[02:18] <tseng> merging changelogs is a pain
[04:36] <crimsun> evening, tritium
[04:36] <tritium> Hi crimsun.  How are you?
[04:37] <ivoks> hi guys :)
[04:38] <tritium> hi ivoks :)
[04:38] <schweeb> wow, activity!
[04:38] <crimsun> tritium: not bad, yourself?
[04:38] <crimsun> hi ivoks, schweeb
[04:38] <schweeb> what up
[04:38] <tritium> crimsun, eh, stressful time...
[04:38] <crimsun> wrapping up at work
[04:39] <crimsun> tritium: I hear ya. Hang in there, it'll soon be complete!
[04:39] <tritium> crimsun, thanks :)
[04:39] <schweeb> raise your hand if you're working from home tomorrow!
[04:40] <zul> heh...i always work from home...since im not working
[04:40] <tritium> well, I just stopped by to say hello.  Good night, gentlemen
[04:40] <schweeb> night, tritium
[04:40] <tritium> night, schweeb
[04:40] <schweeb> zul: vpns are godly
[04:40] <schweeb> :)
[04:40] <zul> yes they are nice
[05:03] <blahrus> schweeb: why do you get to work from home tomorrow?
[05:03] <schweeb> blahrus: I feel like it
[05:03] <schweeb> can do everything from home I can do from work
[05:03] <blahrus> haha nice
[05:04] <blahrus> thats great you should have them pay you more and the can give someone else your office :)
[05:09] <schweeb> blahrus: they're probably overpaying me as it is
[05:11] <blahrus> I don't wanna hear about that
[05:11] <schweeb> it's true ;)
[05:21] <blahrus> well help me sell them on some of site stuff :)
[05:21] <schweeb> hah
[09:28] <\sh> moins
[09:29] <janm> hi
[09:42] <\sh> hmmm
[09:43] <\sh> my harddrive is full
[09:45] <Amaranth> \sh: time to ditch the breezy chroot and upgrade for real :)
[09:46] <\sh> Amaranth: u think so?
[09:48] <\sh> yesterday it was only 31% now it's 100% and I don't know why..didn't download any pr0n yesterday or something like this
[09:49] <Treenaks> \sh: du -sh is your friend I guess
[09:49] <\sh> yeah
[09:50] <\sh> ok...i will backup my breezy trans stuff on my rootie
[09:50] <\sh> there is more place
[09:53] <HostingGeek> "Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks"
[09:53] <HostingGeek> That has been there for almost 1 weeks
[09:54] <\sh> from now
[09:56] <HostingGeek> WTF
[09:57] <HostingGeek> you extended it by another week
[09:57] <HostingGeek> lets say I only say that topic last week
[09:57] <HostingGeek> and started complaing in the list
[09:57] <Lathiat> how bout you shutup and get over it
[09:58] <Amaranth> it's actually said that for over a month now
[09:58] <Amaranth> but who cares, if you don't like it use hoary
[09:59] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: Shess
[09:59] <HostingGeek> thats crazy
[10:00] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: Pay someone to do something about it, do something about it yourself, or stop complaining.
[10:01] <\sh> see, all the guys are working on breezy...no one said, after 6 weeks breezy will be usable
[10:02] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: I am not complain about it not being done
[10:02] <HostingGeek> I am complaining that the topic says 2 weeks
[10:02] <Lathiat> sure you are
[10:02] <Lathiat> you have been fo rthe last 10 minutes :)
[10:02] <HostingGeek> and in 2 weeks it might not be done
[10:02] <HostingGeek> say something liker
[10:02] <HostingGeek> "Please dont complain about mono deps until this notice is removed from the topic"
[10:03] <\sh> "Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks and after 2 weeks, read this sentence again"
[10:03] <Treenaks> or "For complaints about mono deps, please send 10 mails to tseng" ;)
[10:04] <\sh> or "Pay tseng 1Billion dollars to fix it"
[10:04] <Treenaks> \sh: ONE MILLION DOLLARS </dr evil>
 <pinky in mouth> 1 billion cajillion triolion baillion dollars
[10:05] <Treenaks> Lathiat: exactly :)
[10:05] <\sh> finally the best way is: sit down, read the manual, fix it by yourself, become a motu ;)
[10:06] <Treenaks> \sh: and piss off the debian mono team, no thanks
[10:06] <\sh> finally the best way is: sit down, read the manual, fix it by yourself, become a motu and deal with the debian mono team (compliments to Treenaks)
[10:08] <HostingGeek> lol
 or "For complaints about mono deps, please send 10 mails to tseng" ;)
[10:08] <HostingGeek> whats his address?
[10:08] <Treenaks> HostingGeek: postmaster@aol.com
[10:08] <\sh> 150MB from 1.5GB finished
[10:08] <Treenaks> HostingGeek: or no wait
[10:09] <Treenaks> HostingGeek: hostinggeek@[127.0.0.1] 
[10:09] <HostingGeek> lol
[10:09] <Lathiat> turningmyselfin@fbi.gov
[10:09] <HostingGeek> I wasn't talking about email
[10:09] <HostingGeek> i was talking about email
[10:09] <Treenaks> HostingGeek: were you or were you not talking about email?
[10:10] <HostingGeek> I was talking about his postal address
[10:10] <Lathiat> oh yes
[10:10] <Lathiat> postal address and internet
[10:10] <Lathiat> they always go well together
[10:10] <Lathiat> especially with trolls
[10:12] <\sh> ogra: pingeling
[10:27] <Amaranth> ajmitch: smeg 0.7.5 could probably be accepted now, seb has undone the menu renaming
[10:57] <siretart> moin
[10:59] <siretart> wiki awfully slow for me over here. :(
[11:08] <\sh> siretart: hey :) can u check please this list for libs, and send me a list of your already uploaded and compiled libs, so i can compile a list for infinity to remove those showstoppers? :) http://lucifer.0c3.net/~adconrad/frozenapps.txt
[11:09] <siretart> \sh: will do. I prepared 2 upload, but could you please have a look at them?
[11:09] <siretart> I want to avoid big mistakes
[11:10] <siretart> \sh: I have nothing on this list prepared.  should I focus on libs on this list?
[11:10] <\sh> siretart: I would like to, but right now, I'm not able to do anything, cause I'll need place...uploading some stuff to my backup hd ;)
[11:11] <siretart> whops. :)
[11:13] <\sh> siretart: i think most of it it
[11:13] <\sh> it's done...i saw some packages from ogra, but it looks like that some of them are not uploaded right now
[11:14] <siretart> \sh: what's the policy with transitioned libs, do they need to be reviewed before uploading, or may I upload at will?
[11:14] <\sh> siretart: upload them :)
[11:14] <\sh> put the debdiff in bugzilla
[11:16] <siretart> debdiffs are here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11636 and https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11510
[11:16] <siretart> ok, will do
[11:22] <ajmitch> \sh: I've got cln2 & ginac on that list
[11:22] <ajmitch> not sure why pingus is waiting on clanlib, I thought I uploaded that?
[11:23] <ajmitch> s/ed/s/
[11:23] <\sh> ajmitch: check the buildlogs or the archive..if they're on frozenlibs, we have to tell infinity to remove them..or to remove the apps from frozenapps.txt which r depending on those libs
[11:24] <ajmitch> glcpu needs updated - it depends on libcommoncpp2-1.0-0
[11:25] <\sh> libcommoncpp2 is uploaded and finished...
[11:25] <ajmitch> look at what I said
[11:25] <ajmitch> 1.0.. 1.3 was uploaded
[11:26] <\sh> aehm
[11:27] <Amaranth> ajmitch: nevermind on that, i think we're changing back again :)
[11:27] <\sh> ah right...1.3 is the new version...so glcpu needs love
[11:27] <ajmitch> \sh: yes :)
[11:27] <ajmitch> ok, doko said clanlib was uploaded, but it wasn't
[11:28] <ajmitch> so I'll upload that
[11:28] <\sh> glcpu depends on libcommoncpp2-dev?
[11:28] <\sh> (without version info?)
[11:29] <ajmitch> \sh: yes, build-deps
[11:29] <doko> ajmitch, I didn't say that
[11:29] <\sh> hmmm...then it should get libcommoncpp2 (version 1.3) directly
[11:29] <ajmitch> doko: sorry, it was closed with FIXED, comment said built for amd64/i386/powerpc/ia64
[11:30] <ajmitch> I assumed that meant you uploaded it
[11:30] <doko> ouch, maybe I did that for the wrong report ...
[11:31] <ajmitch> doesn't matter, I'll upload
[11:33] <\sh> doko: some news about ocaml? or is also waiting for a new xorg upload by daniels? :)
[11:33] <ajmitch> editex has ocaml fun as well :)
[11:34] <doko> \sh: yes, waiting on xorg
[11:34] <\sh> there r some apps with ocaml deps or ocaml-libdeps, which needs an updated ocaml ;)
[11:36] <\sh> and gnuradio must be fixed by upstream
[11:37] <ajmitch> packages that build-depend on xlibmesa-dev, what's the replacement?
[11:39] <\sh> xlibmesa-dev ;)
[11:40] <ajmitch> but I got comments on my difs telling me to change the build-deps to libglu-dev-xorg :)
[11:40] <ajmitch> even though it's not depending on the glu headers
[11:41] <\sh> libglu-dev-xorg: Provides: libglu-dev, xlibmesa-glu-dev
[11:41] <\sh> eventually xlibmesa-gl-dev?
[11:41] <ajmitch> fox only deps on xlibmesa-dev, but got a similar comment
[11:41] <\sh> yeah...xlibmesa-gl-dev is the new package
[11:41] <ajmitch> possibly
[11:41] <\sh> Replaces: libgl-dev, libutahglx-dev, xlibmesa-dev (<< 4.2.1-5)
[11:42] <ajmitch> eventually
[11:42] <ajmitch> but xlibmesa-dev is at 6.8.2-22 at the moment
[11:42] <\sh> Conflicts: libgl-dev, libutahglx-dev, xlibmesa-dev (<< 4.2.1-5)
[11:42] <\sh> xlibmesa-gl-dev as well
[11:42] <ajmitch> yes, I checked those before I asked :)
[11:43] <\sh> xlibmesa-dev is only a transitional package it will include xlibmesa-gl-dev and libglu-dev-xorg
[11:43] <siretart> will upload source package mesa in a few minutes
[11:47] <siretart> gnarf. in a few hours. gotta leave now. cu
[12:06] <torkel> tseng: are you aware that libgecko-cil and libgecko2.0-cil depends on firefox-browser instead of firefox? f-b is not available in breezy
[12:06] <ivoks> :)
[12:14] <tseng> yes
[12:23] <\sh> I'm pissed now
[12:23] <tseng> yes?
[12:24] <\sh> those guys from this office...they're something like assholes...
[12:24] <\sh> sorry..
[12:25] <\sh> so many people, who r receiving more money then the NOC staff..and those engineering guys don't have a clue about the easiest methods of testing
[12:25] <\sh> now they have hard+software running which is shitty, unstable, low level java shit
[12:27] <\sh> and when we said from noc operations: we are not able to operate this shit, because it's unstable, it's eating memory blabla, what u get us a fcking statement like "it's not your concern, u r operating what we will give u..." and no
[12:28] <\sh> and now, they're coming and pointing a finger on noc operations, that we didn't inform engineering, that this hardware and software doesn't work as expected...
[12:28] <\sh> I'll go and fist now someone...i need to have my peace
[12:29] <ajmitch> wonderful, clanlib ftbfs
[12:29] <ajmitch> missing X11/Xlib.h
[12:29] <tseng> thats supposed to be fixed this week
[12:29] <tseng> if you believe it
[12:31] <ivoks> ajmitch: one of many :)
[12:32] <ajmitch> ivoks: it's mildly annoying
[12:32] <tseng> wb ogra
[12:37] <Amaranth> i wish the vlc devs weren't so stupid
[12:37] <Amaranth> depending on hal and making it non-optional
[01:00] <\sh> ajmitch: ping
[01:01] <\sh> ajmitch: skstream?
[01:06] <\sh> ajmitch: taking it...:)
[01:13] <ajmitch> sigh
[01:14] <\sh> ajmitch: there r some more ;) I took them all ;)
[01:14] <ajmitch> gee thanks
[01:15] <\sh> skstream simage snacc
[01:15] <\sh> sndobj snmpkit socketapi
[01:16] <ajmitch> asking is nice sometimes, \sh
[01:17] <\sh> aehmm...remove me then ;)
[01:26] <ajmitch> \sh: so should I do any more cxx transition or am I wasting my time?
[01:27] <\sh> ajmitch: sorry when I was acting to fast...
[01:28] <\sh> +o
[01:29] <ajmitch> I see you took over all the libcc* ones that I didn't file my diffs for
[01:29] <\sh> skstream and simage are done
[01:29] <\sh> ajmitch: it was monday?
[01:29] <ajmitch> yes
[01:29] <\sh> yeah..i just search bugzilla for entries
[01:30] <\sh> shit
[01:30] <\sh> sometimes i'm really annoying
[01:33] <ajmitch> it takes quite awhile for me to be able to do anything with bugzilla, on this connection
[01:33] <ajmitch> editing the wiki page is similar
[01:41] <\sh> ok...tell me which diffs u have prepared, i will change the wiki page..the bugentries are already filed..so i will assign them to u
[01:47] <ajmitch> currently trying to track down a useful patch for sigcx
[01:47] <ajmitch> since I don't know baz well enough, and the source tree has changed a bit
[01:50] <ajmitch> someone who generates template classes from m4 has to be at least a little evil
[01:50] <ajmitch> or a friend of jbailey's
[01:51] <jbailey> Hey....
[01:51] <ajmitch> :)
[01:51] <jbailey> You mean C++ template classes?
[01:51] <ajmitch> yeah
[01:51] <jbailey> Ugh.
[01:51] <jbailey> From m4?
[01:51] <ajmitch> uses m4 to produce templates with different arguments\
[01:51] <jbailey> m4 is a lovely language, but why not cpp?
[01:52] <tseng> hm my screen-auto-away thing is not working
[01:52] <tseng> it sets away in irssi when you detach screen
[01:54] <Lathiat> tseng: thats cool, how does that work
[01:55] <tseng> it just watches for the pid of screen for your user i think
[01:56] <tseng> every few seconds.
[02:39] <\sh> back from fisting manager
[02:40] <tseng> thats pretty gross
[02:40] <tseng> in english anyway.
[02:40] <ogra> lol
[02:40] <jamessan|work> indeed
[02:42] <tseng> bwar i need to finish gst-plugins-multiverse
[02:42] <tseng> and write reviews for all the mono stuff
[02:42] <\sh> sorry
[02:42] <tseng> so I guess fixing boo man pages isnt a huge issue now that debian uploaded w/o them
[02:42] <tseng> yay for policy
[02:43] <\sh> ogra: did u uploaded srcpackage: unicon?
[02:43] <\sh> ogra: it's on the frozenapps list...and if its uploaded and compiled we can remove it
[02:43] <ogra> \sh, waits for the Xheaders to be fixed...
[02:43] <\sh> ah
[02:44] <ogra> \sh, its my last package from my list... tyvis waits for the last warped build with the fix from yesterday
[02:44] <ogra> then i'm done
[02:44] <ogra> daniels promised to fix X today.... lets see
[02:45] <\sh> ,-)
[02:45] <ogra> \sh, X is ok....only the headers are stored in mixed locations currently
[02:46] <\sh> just joking..thinking about a discussion this morning about the mono deps ;)
[02:46] <ogra> *yawn*
[02:46] <\sh> and I'm in <reallyangrymode/>
[02:47] <tseng> someone told me about one just today already
[02:47] <tseng> that i already uploaded a fix for
[02:53] <\sh> mmm...
[02:53] <\sh> sf.net downloads are not working?
[03:00] <\sh> who was working on glcpu?
[03:00] <ajmitch> noone, I said that it required a rebuild earlier
[03:00] <\sh> ah :)
[03:01] <ajmitch> and hopefully the libcommoncpp2-dev shlibs are correct
[03:02] <\sh> hmmm...any special action for rebuilding? or only changing the version in changelog and uploading?
[03:02] <ajmitch> change version
[03:02] <ajmitch> a rebuild might only take a build version..
[03:03] <ajmitch> eg 1.1-1 becomes 1.1-1build1, iirc
[03:03] <\sh> so..no ubuntu stuff
[03:04] <ajmitch> depends if it has an ubuntu version already :)
[03:04] <\sh> no
[03:04] <\sh> plain debian
[03:04] <ajmitch> ok
[03:05] <ajmitch> it fails consistently each time
[03:11] <tseng> :'(
[03:11] <Treenaks> ajmitch: don't install breezy for noobs
[03:12] <ajmitch> Treenaks: pfft
[03:12] <ajmitch> I'm helping him install hoary
[03:12] <ogra> with beagle ?
[03:12] <ajmitch> tseng: well, it got to about 900MB mem usage before I killed it
[03:12] <ajmitch> ogra: 2 different things
[03:12] <tseng> ajmitch: well, yes
[03:13] <tseng> it needs alot more love yet
[03:13] <ogra> ajmitch, get more mem ;)
[03:13] <tseng> we have a few months.
[03:13] <ajmitch> ogra: surely long^Wbreezy should work fine with 1GB?
[03:14] <tseng> long?
[03:14] <tseng> oh.
[03:14] <ajmitch> tseng: I think it choked on my cached liferea rss
[03:15] <tseng> boo liferea
[03:15] <ajmitch> the cache dir is about 60MB for it
[03:15] <tseng> gross
[03:15] <ogra> tseng, its written in boo ? thats news to me
[03:15] <tseng> blam throws the old crap out
[03:15] <tseng> ogra: :D
[03:15] <tseng> i wonder why boo didnt come over yet
[03:15] <ogra> :)
[03:15] <ajmitch> I didn't want the old crap thrown out
[03:15] <tseng> it was uploaded to unstable afaik
[03:16] <\sh> glcpu just build fine
[03:16] <ajmitch> \sh: good
[03:16] <\sh> on my local machine...lets wait for the other arch
[03:16] <tseng> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/boo/boo_0.5.5.1651-1.diff.gz
[03:17] <tseng> gar
[03:17] <tseng> it does have some manpages
[03:27] <mgalvin> morning all
[03:27] <mgalvin> siretart, ping
[03:33] <tseng> \sh: gah, here comes my companies asshole
[03:33] <tseng> "why the fuck blah blah"
[03:34] <\sh> hehe...so lets be pissed together :(
[03:34] <tseng> this guy couldnt figure out how to use my app
[03:34] <tseng> clicking hyperlinks is tough.
[03:34] <\sh> tseng: answer to him: RTFM?
[03:35] <siretart> mgalvin: pong
[03:38] <mgalvin> siretart, just wanted to let you know i updated cegui to that latest version and it will be in debian very soon
[03:38] <mgalvin> i notified the debian maintainer, he will upload it when he gets a chance
[03:38] <siretart> mgalvin: great! :)
[03:39] <mgalvin> so when the c++ transition stuff is done, we can just pull it in from debian
[03:41] <siretart> mgalvin: since it is a NEW package, we will sync it automatically
[03:41] <mgalvin> siretart, oh I am also working with fog(the debian maintainer) on a new ogre package to support multiple platforms, there will be libogre-base5, libogre-glx5, and libogre-sdl5
[03:41] <mgalvin> ok cool, even better :)
[03:46] <siretart> :)
[04:01] <DanielN> argh
[04:01] <DanielN> i'll get in troubles to find someone, signing my gpg key :/
[04:01] <tseng> did you search big lumber?
[04:01] <DanielN> not yet
[04:01] <DanielN> i'm in school actually
[04:04] <DanielN> mhm
[04:04] <DanielN> not in my near environment
[04:04] <DanielN> :/
[04:16] <ogra> hmmm, funny ubuntu-users, "So if I install for example gcc-4.0-base from the backports repository ....."
[04:16] <ogra> doko ^^ did you have a look at that package ?
[04:16] <tseng> its in there?
[04:16] <tseng> wtf for
[04:16] <ogra> no idea...
[04:16] <ogra> but the user asks about it in -users
[04:16] <tseng> i thought we agreed to not touch that stuff
[04:17] <ogra> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-June/038173.html
[04:18] <doko> ogra: no, I don't comment on that one.
[04:18] <ogra> heh
[04:18] <ogra> doko, we will have official backports soon... so it would probably make sense to have a look :)
[04:18] <ogra> since its the same guy...
[04:19] <ajmitch> mm, backports..
[04:19] <ogra> *shudder* (still)
[04:20] <doko> ogra: maybe just require glibc >= 2.3.5 and binutils >= 2.16 and he will think twice ...
[04:20] <ogra> heh
[04:20] <jbailey> doko: Or they might not.  Careful what you ask for. =)
[04:20] <ajmitch> doko: the problem is that people don't think, they just see shiny new versions :)
[04:21] <tseng> ajmitch: new = good!
[04:21] <ajmitch> of course
[04:21] <ajmitch> I can't wait for grumpy
[04:21] <tseng> gcc 4 is a major version component bump
[04:21] <tseng> that must mean its really good
[04:21] <ogra> i think its not about tricking the backports guys..... the right approach is to embrace, squeeze and in the end swallow them to become real maintainers ;)
[04:22] <tseng> ogra: i told him we would stop laughing at him if he closed the project and joined motu
[04:22] <tseng> ogra: no luck.
[04:22] <ogra> tseng, just dont give up ;) what will he do if we open a MOTUBackports team.... and offer him the lead ?
[04:23] <doko> ogra: I can see a point, where he want to build OOo2 for backports. but in this case, he should better use the GCC included in OOo2
[04:23] <tseng> ogra: erm, the same thing i do now
[04:23] <ogra> you cant shut it dwn...
[04:23] <ajmitch> poor people that try & use beagle from backports
[04:23] <tseng> ogra: cry all day long while people in #mono point out the backport
[04:24] <ogra> tseng, the current situation is odd, but not to solve right now...
[04:25] <tseng> no one in there has any patience or appreciation of how much work it takes is all
[04:25] <ogra> so lets look at the future... lets get these people in, let them have a team and we have an option to have some influence, the user demand for backports is to big to not do it it seems....
[04:25] <tseng> the backport user doesnt understand the implications
[04:26] <tseng> they just see "cool stuff + stable = win"
[04:26] <ogra> the backport user just wants the latest crap, if it isnt available as deb he will alien an rpm or build from source.....
[04:27] <tseng> < nathany> hi everyone, i'm trying to get Beagle running on Ubuntu and have run into
[04:27] <tseng>           some problems...
[04:27] <ogra> so having packages we can actually influence a bit and check for quality is the compromise in front of this users
[04:27] <tseng> <snip not working crap>
[04:27] <tseng> < nathany> well i'm using the debs from the Ubuntu Backports project, as recommended
[04:27] <tseng>           on the website
[04:27] <tseng> winner!
[04:28] <ogra> cant jdong just backport the current backages and have an update ?
[04:28] <ajmitch> as recommended on the beagle site, no doubt
[04:28] <ogra> ajmitch, it is
[04:28] <ogra> thats the sad part about it
[04:28] <tseng> ogra: I guess
[04:28] <ajmitch> latest beagle wants latest inotify to work nice
[04:28] <ogra> ajmitch, really ? thats a versioning thing ?
[04:29] <ajmitch> ogra: yeah, inotify 0.23 is in breezy's kernel
[04:29] <ogra> tseng, hmm, the bad thing is that beagle involves dbus.... wont work....
[04:29] <tseng> it doesnt
[04:29] <ajmitch> 0.0.10 doesn't need dbus
[04:29] <tseng> if he updated it.
[04:29] <ogra> ah
[04:31] <tseng> i asked him to leave it exactly like it was, and let people slowly move to breezy
[04:31] <tseng> instead he tried to update everything
[04:31] <tseng> and i keep hearing about it every day
[04:39] <tseng> < orospakr> argh! the backports packages are no good
[04:39] <tseng> < orospakr> MD 0.7 require monodoc
[04:39] <tseng> < orospakr> but alas, it is simply not there.
[04:39] <ogra> heh
[04:39] <tseng> I could do this all day
[04:41] <tseng> i dont want to hold his hand
[04:41] <tseng> if you know what I mean.
[04:43] <ogra> yep
[04:43] <ogra> but this way people will grok how bad it is to use backports... its ok....(if you can ignore it)
[04:44] <ogra> and it shows how urgent the teaming up is
[04:44] <ogra> so in the end its a good thing
[04:44] <tseng> its hard to ignore, i spend all my time trying to do it the right way
[04:44] <tseng> and what people are actually using is a broken copy
[04:45] <ogra> but thats not your fault
[04:45] <ogra> we are working in a development version... its the fault of the guy making untested backports available
[04:45] <tseng> but it turns people off to ubuntu-mono
[04:46] <tseng> (which upstream picks over their own distro)
[04:46] <\sh> ok...glcpu compiled on all archs
[04:48] <ogra> tseng, but still... we are a development distro currently... the guy who pulls them from hee knows about it, i'd expect him to do a well test... if not, redirect the complaintments dirctly to him.... give the people his mailadress, he broek it, let him take the complaints
[04:48] <tseng> thats a good idea, point them at his little forum
[04:48] <ogra> yeah
[04:49] <tseng> since he doesnt participate in upstream
[04:49] <ogra> if he made the error, he has to cope with it
[04:49] <ogra> and its something you shouldnt waste time and nerves on
[04:51] <tseng> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=47
[04:52] <\sh> who is it?
[04:52] <tseng> jdong
[04:53] <\sh> yeah...but what thread?
[04:53] <tseng> there is no thread yet
[04:53] <tseng> i hear about his bugs all day on irc, so i am going to make people complain on the forums
[04:53] <\sh> i think it's cleared how he has to deal with backports
[04:53] <tseng> well he is going against the standards we came up with
[04:54] <tseng> no libraries, no interpreters, and i asked him personally to stop doing mono
[04:54] <\sh> raise it upto sabdfl
[04:54] <tseng> i dont want to raise it to anyone
[04:54] <tseng> i want him to see his own bugs.
[04:55] <tseng> its not a personal thing
[04:55] <\sh> mark was involved...so someone has to take care about it...if there should be an official backports projects, he has to deal now with the rules
[04:55] <ajmitch> sleep time, bbl
[04:55] <\sh> tseng: between work/volunteer work and personal feelings, there is a difference..:) and right now, we're talking about work
[04:56] <\sh> ajmitch: can i take the other packages?
[04:56] <\sh> sndobj snmpkit socketapi?
[04:56] <\sh> or r u working on it?
[04:57] <\sh> anyways..going home...later dudes
[04:57] <tseng> bye.
[05:39] <tseng> we really need to come up with something for this tomboy icon
[05:39] <tseng> it looks awful
[05:40] <ogra> tseng, do you have the full iconset anywhere ?
[05:40] <tseng> yes but tomboy doesnt use the icon theme
[05:40] <tseng> it uses a static pixmap
[05:40] <ogra> not what i saw at guadec...
[05:40] <tseng> from who?
[05:40] <ogra> on redhat and suse i saw other icons
[05:41] <tseng> yes
[05:41] <ogra> so the code seems to use it anyhow
[05:41] <tseng> i think they just shipped the correct size
[05:41] <tseng> let me find the suse rpm them
[05:41] <ogra> hmm, thats what i maent, do you have all these icons ?
[05:41] <tseng> yes
[05:41] <ogra> good...
[05:41] <tseng> but dajobe is installing 48x48
[05:41] <ogra> i can look into it if you like
[05:42] <tseng> and it scales badly
[05:42] <tseng> no you have important tasks
[05:42] <tseng> this is something stupid i put off
[05:43] <ogra> lets just do it right... we have plenty of time for such stuff
[05:43] <tseng> the srpm has every size included
[05:44] <tseng> mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/opt/gnome/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/
[05:44] <tseng> cp %SOURCE1 $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/opt/gnome/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/tintin.png
[05:44] <tseng> huh
[05:44] <tseng> they arent patching it to do that
[05:44] <tseng> i am sure that didnt work for me
[05:44] <tseng> let me try it
[05:45] <ogra> it does, but you'll have to roll a new upstream tarball.... ugly
[05:45] <tseng> no i dont
[05:45] <ogra> err, they use tintin.png ?
[05:45] <tseng> we uuencode the image
[05:45] <tseng> and put it in diff.gz
[05:46] <ogra> tseng, you just said without patching
[05:46] <tseng> in debian/
[05:46] <tseng> i mean they dont patch the source
[05:46] <ogra> yep
[05:46] <tseng> srpm is an archive that can have patches, original upstream source, and whatever else
[05:46] <tseng> they put the images right in the archive
[05:46] <tseng> but not in the source.
[05:51] <tseng> no that isnt working here
[05:52] <tseng> ill build their source
[05:54] <mgalvin> anyone know what -dev package "xf86vmode.h" might live in?
[05:55] <mgalvin> found it, libxxf86vm-dev
[06:03] <siretart> hm there are issues with mesa (source package). Will defer upload until I realize whats going on there...
[06:18] <\sh> re
[06:18] <\sh> how good it is to run a journaled file system on usb hds
[06:25] <bddebian> Howdy
[07:11] <tseng> ogra: have you had a change to try beagle?
[07:11] <ogra> not yet
[07:12] <tseng> a chance.
[07:12] <ogra> hmmm, installs fine :)
[07:20] <ogra> tseng... doesnt work :(
[07:21] <tseng> ogra: well, whats wrong
[07:21] <tseng> I made one bug
[07:21] <tseng> if it says somethign about sqlite
[07:21] <tseng> its my fault
[07:21] <ogra> nope
[07:22] <ogra> Die Abfrage fr mdz ist mit folgendem Fehler fehlgeschlagen:
[07:22] <ogra> System.Net.Sockets.SocketException: Connection refused in [0x00063]  System.Net.Sockets.Socket:Connect (System.Net.EndPoint remote_end) in <0x00032> Beagle.Util.UnixClient:Connect (Mono.Posix.UnixEndPoint remoteEndPoint) in <0x00046> Beagle.Util.UnixClient:Connect (System.String path) in <0x00029> Beagle.Util.UnixClient:.ctor (System.String path) in <0x00034> Beagle.Client:SendRequest (Beagle.RequestMessage request) in <0x00020> Beagle.Client:S
[07:22] <ogra> endAsync (Beagle.RequestMessage request) in <0x000db> Beagle.RequestMessage:SendAsync () in <0x0020b> Best.BestWindow:Search (System.String searchString)
[07:22] <ogra> thats what best shows me
[07:23] <ogra> ah, and beagled crashed in the background
[07:31] <ogra> tseng, now beagled and best work fine, but the query gets no responses
[07:32] <ogra> i see it running in the beagled terminal.... but nothing in best
[07:40] <tseng> someone said that earlier
[07:40] <tseng> that it wasnt indexing anything
[07:40] <tseng> mine does
[07:40] <tseng> its pretty impressive, my system always works
[07:41] <tseng> did beagled throw any errors
[07:41] <ogra> nope
[07:41] <tseng> with --fg --debug on?
[07:41] <ogra> itsstill runs fine and indexex
[07:42] <tseng> hm so its indexing now?
[07:42] <ogra> i see the best query in the beagle terminal....
[07:42] <ogra> but best doesnt show anything
[07:42] <ogra> yep
[07:42] <tseng> huh
[07:42] <tseng> wow
[07:43] <ogra> ok, another best try
[07:43] <tseng> can you make a file called ogra
[07:43] <tseng> and echo "ogra ogra ogra ogra ogra ogra" > ogra
[07:43] <tseng> and search for that
[07:44] <ogra> sure
[07:44] <tseng> it worked for me.
[07:45] <ogra> beagle still indexes fine...
[07:45] <ogra> but slows down my system like hell... my disk only has 4200rpm
[07:45] <tseng> ;(
[07:46] <tseng> rlove just wrote a drive test thing
[07:46] <tseng> so he can throttle it down when you are using the disk
[07:46] <ogra> finds nothing....
[07:46] <tseng> ok..
[07:46] <ogra> DEBUG: worker removed: name=System.Object
[07:46] <ogra> DEBUG: worker removed: name=HandleConnection (13)
[07:46] <ogra> DEBUG: worker removed: name=Beagle.Daemon.QueryDriver+QueryClosure
[07:46] <ogra> last line gets repeated 5 times
[07:47] <ogra> thats what beagled spits out if i query
[07:48] <tseng> i dunno what that means.
[07:48] <tseng> yes mine says that too
[07:49] <tseng> ** (gnome-cups-icon:5798): WARNING **: IPP request failed with status 1030
[07:49] <tseng> why are we doing this btw
[07:49] <tseng> is it polling something?
[07:49] <tseng> it runs every few seconds
[07:50] <ogra> hmm
[07:50] <ogra> ask pitti
[08:05] <Nafallo> is beagle supposed to understand I use IMAP? ;-)
[08:05] <tseng> i use imap and it works fine
[08:05] <tseng> evolution-data-server, dude.
[08:05] <Nafallo> hehe, and it doesn't work. neither does files and addressbooks :-P
[08:06] <tseng> well fix it
[08:06] <tseng> and tell me what you did
[08:06] <tseng> because mine works fine.
[08:06] <tseng> *G*
[08:06] <Nafallo> hehe
[08:06] <Nafallo> I'll try :-)
[08:06] <tseng> is this on amd64?
[08:06] <Nafallo> is there anything more than remount the / to use user_xattr and run best I should do.
[08:07] <Nafallo> yes, amd64 :-)
[08:07] <tseng> yes
[08:07] <tseng> remount
[08:07] <tseng> export EXERCISE_THE_DOG=1
[08:07] <tseng> that unthrottles it
[08:07] <dholbach> and then?
[08:07] <tseng> and run beagled --fg --debug
[08:07] <dholbach> ok :)
[08:07] <tseng> if you get sqlite error tell me
[08:07] <dholbach> yuo should write a README.Debian :)
[08:07] <tseng> and ill tell you how to fix
[08:08] <tseng> dholbach: hm yes
[08:08] <dholbach> i get about millions or error messages
[08:08] <tseng> the beagle wiki is nice
[08:08] <Nafallo> wholy shit! /me likes :-)
[08:08] <tseng> millions?
[08:08] <tseng> :D
[08:08] <dholbach> quite a lot :)
[08:09] <tseng> well msg them to me
[08:09] <Nafallo> ERROR: Caught exception while instantiating Files backend
[08:09] <tseng> oh taht would explain a bit
[08:09] <tseng> dude trow is awake
[08:09] <dholbach> oh yes... i have that as well
[08:10] <tseng> yeah dude sqllite
[08:10] <tseng> heh hold up a second
[08:10] <Nafallo> tseng: see msg ;-)
[08:10] <tseng> i see it
[08:11] <tseng>  /usr/lib/mono/1.0/Mono.Data.SqliteClient.dll.config
[08:11] <tseng> move that to
[08:11] <Nafallo> WARN: Could not open Evolution addressbook.  Addressbook searching is disabled.
[08:11] <tseng> /usr/lib/mono/gac/Mono.Data.SqliteClient/1.0.5000.0__0738eb9f132ed756/Mono.Data.SqliteClient.dll.config
[08:11] <tseng> move to there
[08:11] <tseng> ill fix that tonight
[08:12] <tseng> then start your beagled's again
[08:12] <tseng> im closing your msg, if you get more breakage paste fresh
[08:12] <ogra> wow, stopping it takes a minute
[08:12] <tseng> ogra: yeah it has alot of threads
[08:12] <ogra> yeps
[08:12] <tseng> esp with exercise mode
[08:13] <tseng> < trow> tseng: My amd64 box was delivered earlier this week, but I haven't had time
[08:13] <tseng>           to set it up yet.
[08:13] <tseng> < trow> tseng: But pretty soon I'll be routinely building & testing on amd64.
[08:13] <dholbach> ROCK
[08:13] <ogra> yay \o/
[08:13] <Nafallo> lol
[08:14] <Nafallo> tseng: msg ;-)
[08:14] <tseng> Nafallo: do you have /usr/lib/beagle/Util.dll.config
[08:15] <dholbach> i have it
[08:15] <Nafallo> yes
[08:15] <tseng> ok everyone install libmono-dev too.
[08:15] <tseng> to fix daniel's
[08:15] <tseng> thats an upstream mono bug we just fixed
[08:15] <dholbach> WOW
[08:15] <tseng> mis-managed so versioning
[08:15] <dholbach> you ROCK SO HARD!
[08:15] <tseng> :D
[08:15] <tseng> Nafallo: so
[08:16] <tseng>         <dllmap dll="libgnomeui-2" target="libgnomeui-2.so.0"/>
[08:16] <tseng> is in /usr/lib/beagle/Util.dll.config
[08:16] <Nafallo> libmono-dev is already the latest version.
[08:16] <tseng>  /usr/lib/libgnome-2.so.0 do you have this Nafallo ?
[08:16] <dholbach> WOW, IT F.CKING DOES SOMETHING
[08:16] <Nafallo> tseng: nope :-)
[08:16] <tseng> Nafallo: what is it
[08:16] <tseng> er not that
[08:17] <tseng>  /usr/lib/libgnomeui-2.so.0
[08:17] <Nafallo> ooh, I missread. I have it.
[08:17] <tseng> both?
[08:17] <lsuactiafner> amd64 on ubuntu is very good
[08:17] <lsuactiafner> chroots ect run perfectly also
[08:17] <ogra> lsuactiafner, and the other way around too ?
[08:18] <Nafallo> <dllmap dll="libexif.dll" target="libexif.so.10"/>
[08:18] <Nafallo> <dllmap dll="libgnomeui-2" target="libgnomeui-2.so.0"/>
[08:18] <lsuactiafner> other way around?
[08:18] <lsuactiafner> i dont have an ubuntu 32bit system
[08:18] <tseng> Nafallo: yes and you have that file in /usr/lib right?
[08:18] <ogra> amd64 on ubuntu ?
[08:18] <ogra> you mean ubuntu on amd64 ;)
[08:18] <lsuactiafner> amd64 on ubuntu, works very well
[08:18] <Nafallo> tseng: yepp
[08:18] <tseng> Nafallo: wtf
[08:18] <tseng> let me look at your message again
[08:18] <lsuactiafner> even slashdot users said its outstanding
[08:19] <tseng> yeah, Beagle.Util
[08:19] <ogra> tseng, woha
[08:19] <tseng> wth
[08:19] <ogra> tseng, installed libmono-dev
[08:19] <ogra> tseng, best doesnt survive :/
[08:19] <tseng> Nafallo: eh so
[08:20] <tseng> Nafallo: install libgnomevfs2-dev and see what happens
[08:20] <tseng> that should definately be mapped
[08:20] <tseng> i wonder if they did something evil on amd64
[08:20] <tseng> to point to /usr/lib64 ?
[08:20] <tseng> i thought it used ldpath, though.
[08:20] <tseng> is anyone else getting
[08:20] <ogra> tseng, /usr/lib points to /usr/lib64
 Unhandled Exception: System.TypeInitializationException: An exception was
[08:20] <tseng>           thrown by the type initializer for Beagle.Util.VFS.Mime --->
[08:20] <tseng>           System.DllNotFoundException: libgnomevfs-2
[08:21] <tseng> or libgnomeui for that matter
[08:21] <ogra> YAY
[08:21] <tseng> thats why
[08:21] <Nafallo> tseng: fixed it :-)
[08:21] <tseng> Nafallo: im a dumbass
[08:21] <ogra> i got my first response :)
[08:21] <ogra> best works
[08:21] <tseng> Nafallo: so, you found a bug I didnt know!
[08:21] <tseng> or forgot
[08:21] <tseng> good job.
[08:21] <ogra> hehe, and searching for ogra brings up tsengs blog as first hit, funny
[08:22] <tseng> :D
[08:22] <tseng> my blog has high beagle indexing powers
[08:22] <ogra> DC of the Month
[08:22] <ogra> CD even
[08:22] <Nafallo> let's see if we can find more of them ;-)
[08:22] <Nafallo> tseng: msg ;-)
[08:22] <tseng> Nafallo: hm i dont think that one is mine :)
[08:23] <tseng> can you put that in a pastebin and work with #dashboard/gimpnet?
[08:23] <Nafallo> tseng: baah, it's beagle. ofcourse it yours ;-)
[08:23] <tseng> Nafallo: i wrote every line!
[08:23] <tseng> thats the joke at our office.. whenever there is an ubuntu bug they ask me
[08:23] <tseng> and say, you wrote this didnt you?
[08:24] <Nafallo> lol
[08:24] <ogra> tseng, works absolutely fabolus here ;)
[08:25] <ogra> i think best just didnt answer because beagled had not indexed enough yet
[08:26] <dholbach> how long will beagled look? :)
[08:26] <ogra> dholbach, eternal
[08:27] <ogra> it indexes all the time
[08:27] <Nafallo> tseng: anyone special I should bug? ;-)
[08:27] <dholbach> and it seems to search all the time as well :)
[08:27] <dholbach> eternally :)
[08:27] <schweeb> omg dholbach and ogra
[08:27] <schweeb> wassup
[08:27] <dholbach> hey schweeb :)))
[08:27] <tseng> Nafallo: trow, joe, dsd all rock
[08:27] <ogra> schweeb, beagle on amd64 is up
[08:27] <ogra> :)
[08:27] <schweeb> nice
[08:28] <ogra> Nafallo, mee Novell :)
[08:28] <ogra> meet even
[08:28] <schweeb> but I will be getting my new laptop real soon now
[08:28] <Nafallo> ogra: huga. you're scarying me ;-)
[08:29] <tseng> schweeb: way to snub me
[08:29] <ogra> Nafallo, no need to be scared ;) they are all nice guys.... i met them in stuttgart
[08:29] <schweeb> tseng: oh, I'm too busy shuffling tapes
[08:29] <schweeb> bish
[08:29] <tseng> schweeb: yeah, you're an ass.
[08:29] <ogra> lol
[08:29] <Nafallo> ogra: *s*
[08:30] <ogra> tseng, the file indexer doesnt seem to scan here, it doesnt find the ogra file i created....
[08:31] <dholbach> WOW
[08:31] <tseng> it takes awhile to do everything
[08:31] <dholbach> IT NOW WORKS
[08:31] <dholbach> ROCK
[08:31] <ogra> yay
[08:31] <dholbach> IT FINDS SOMETHING
[08:31] <tseng> dholbach++
[08:31] <schweeb> beagle?
[08:31] <dholbach> yes
[08:31] <ogra> dholbach, it will find *anything*
[08:31] <tseng> sorry its so much trouble right now
[08:31] <dholbach> wonder, if it will make my life easier
[08:31] <tseng> to get it started.
[08:31] <schweeb> boo
[08:31] <schweeb> my laptop is still in "Packing" status
[08:31] <ogra> dholbach, did google make your life easier ?
[08:31] <Nafallo> tseng: I shouldn't trust the deps yet I see ;-)
[08:31] <Nafallo> Could not open Evolution addressbook:
[08:31] <Nafallo> System.DllNotFoundException: libebook-1.2.so.0
[08:32] <tseng> its getting better :)
[08:32] <dholbach> ogra: a bit
[08:32] <ogra> dholbach, so will beagle ;)
[08:32] <tseng> Nafallo: install it
[08:32] <tseng> gosh
[08:32] <tseng> :P
[08:32] <tseng> thats not my package
[08:32] <tseng> its schweeb's
[08:32] <Nafallo> tseng: on my way ;-)
[08:32] <ogra> heh
[08:32] <tseng> evolution-sharp missing dep
[08:32] <schweeb> blah
[08:32] <schweeb> need me to fix it?
[08:33] <schweeb> cause I definitely don't have a breezy install
[08:33] <schweeb> or even a chroot
[08:33] <tseng> no its been sucked into my mini-seb cyclone of doom
[08:33] <ogra> schweeb, you brought it in ?
[08:33] <tseng> ill fix it for you and youll like it.
[08:33] <schweeb> yep
[08:33] <ogra> schweeb, see our policy.... you are doomed ;)
[08:33] <schweeb> "mini-seb cyclone of doom" lol
[08:33] <Nafallo> hehe
[08:33] <schweeb> ogra: yea yea, I know... tseng's on the mofo
[08:34] <dholbach> ROCK, i have PORN on my disk - i didnt even know it
[08:34] <schweeb> hahaha
[08:34] <schweeb> bonus!
[08:34] <Nafallo> lol
[08:34] <tseng> man
[08:34] <Nafallo> I can't find mine :-P
[08:34] <dholbach> so guys, when you download stuff on my box, please tell me the folder
[08:34] <dholbach> thank you :)
[08:34] <schweeb> ogra: I can start being useful again when I get my shiny new laptop from Lenovo ;)
[08:35] <ogra> schweeb, great :)
[08:35] <schweeb> my current laptop needs to be... stable
[08:35] <Nafallo> tseng: it has the index everything before I even stand a chance to find it? :-)
[08:35] <schweeb> so I can VPN to work, and be useful
[08:35] <schweeb> not that I'm really ever that useful at work...
[08:38] <tseng> Nafallo: yes.
[08:38] <tseng> dholbach: can i blog you?
[08:38] <dholbach> tseng: of course :)
[08:38] <tseng> dholbach: thanks :)
[08:38] <dholbach> no matter what i was supposed to be saying :)
[08:39] <tseng> http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=33
[08:39] <ogra> hmm, not on planet yet
[08:39] <ogra> i still see asses
[08:39] <tseng> i just posted a second ago :P
[08:40] <ogra> heh
[08:41] <dholbach> :-))
[08:41] <ogra> loool
[08:43] <ogra> meh
[08:43] <ogra> beagled stopped
[08:43] <dholbach> and it didnt look up evo stuff yet
[08:43] <Nafallo> lol
[08:43] <ogra> dholbach, it did here
[08:43] <tseng> you might be missing stuff for evo
[08:43] <tseng> since schweeb sucks at packaging
[08:44] <tseng> er.
[08:44] <Nafallo> dholbach: you must likely have to install libebook-dev for that ;-)
[08:44] <schweeb> oh
[08:44] <schweeb> evo-sharp?
[08:44] <schweeb> that's not me
[08:44] <tseng> was that whip?
[08:44] <ogra> Nafallo, only for the adressbook search...
[08:44] <schweeb> duno
[08:44] <Nafallo> ogra: we want that :-)
[08:44] <tseng> i thought he was working on it and conned you into doing it for him
[08:45] <schweeb> I did esf-sharp or something like that
[08:45] <tseng> anyway, its a common issue
[08:45] <tseng> schweeb: gsf
[08:45] <tseng> with missing dllmaps
[08:45] <schweeb> that's the ticket
[08:45] <Nafallo> wtf! it looks inside my save guadecstreams :-P
[08:45] <Treenaks> Nafallo: inside?
[08:46] <Nafallo> Treenaks: inside.
[08:46] <Treenaks> Nafallo: aalib?
[08:46] <Nafallo> Treenaks: I'll show you if it would be still for a momoent :-P
[08:46] <Nafallo> DEBUG: L A: ,45 2 4,4238881110219
[08:46] <Nafallo> DEBUG:  : =HC (71)
[08:46] <Nafallo> DEBUG: D  
[08:46] <Nafallo> DEBUG:  : =B.D.QD+QC =1
[08:46] <Nafallo> DEBUG: F  C ////A.P.P.O.V.8.XXX.DVDR.DX-P0SS/CD2  ,70
[08:46] <tseng> oh jeez
[08:46] <Treenaks> Nafallo: wow
[08:46] <Nafallo> DEBUG: *** R ://////A.P.P.O.V.8.XXX.DVDR.DX-P0SS/CD2/-8. => :XG4GUJU1O_6C4
[08:46] <schweeb> wow
[08:47] <schweeb> thanks for fucking my terminal
[08:47] <dholbach> Nafallo: the blonde in the red dress?
[08:47] <tseng> hah.
[08:47] <tseng> dholbach++
[08:47] <Nafallo> dooh!
[08:47] <Nafallo> that's porn!
[08:47] <tseng> the girl out of the red dress
[08:47] <dholbach> who has nothing under the red dress
[08:48] <bddebian> WHAT???
[08:48] <bddebian> Where??
[08:48] <ogra> bddebian, above
[08:48] <Nafallo> hehe
[08:48] <dholbach> Nafallo: you're a naughty boy
[08:48] <ogra> bddebian, LOOK
[08:48] <bddebian> bah
[08:48] <tseng> bddebian: you need to cross your eyes.
[08:48] <bddebian> heh
[08:48] <Nafallo> dholbach: baah ;-)
[08:49] <Nafallo> hmm, only 10G on my laptop :-P
[08:50] <Nafallo> thank god it doesn't index my server ;-)
[08:50] <Nafallo> tseng: how do I teach it to index my server btw? :-)
[08:50] <ogra> nfs mount ?
[08:50] <tseng> it cant do nfs yet afaik
[08:50] <tseng> when it does it will be totally slow
[08:50] <Nafallo> then I would have to install nfs :-P
[08:50] <tseng> will have to use sqlite
[08:51] <tseng> for the metadata
[08:51] <tseng> instead of being on the file itself
[08:51] <tseng> that means seek city.
[08:52] <Nafallo> hmm
[08:54] <tseng> buh?
[08:56] <dholbach> beagled says there was no disk space anymore
[08:56] <dholbach> and the disk is 42% full
[08:56] <tseng> hm
[08:57] <bradb> hey, MOTU'ers.
[08:57] <bradb> what's your opinion for better task status names: New/Accepted or Unconfirmed/Confirmed?
[08:57] <ogra> hmm
[08:58] <tseng> hm im not sure I have an opinion.
[08:58] <tseng> New/Assigned i think is bugzillaish?
[08:58] <ogra> i think they are quite descriptive....
[08:58] <bradb> ogra: what does Accepted mean?
[08:58] <bradb> (in Malone)
[08:58] <ogra> ok, just leave it New
[08:59] <ogra> but a New bug is a New bug.... you cant describe New better i guess
[08:59] <tseng> Assigned means that the bug has been looked at and assigned to the right person
[08:59] <bradb> ogra: is it a "new bug" if it's not really a bug?
[09:00] <\sh> New is "New but not Accepted by any dev" , Accepted is "Not New anymore, cause dev accepted and recognized it"
[09:00] <tseng> and is no longer new
[09:00] <bradb> tseng: Malone doesn't have Assigned.
[09:00] <tseng> if its not a bug
[09:00] <ogra> bradb, its new if no developer has given it a status
[09:00] <tseng> i can mark it resolved invalid
[09:00] <tseng> im not sure i udnerstand why something has to be confirmed first
[09:01] <tseng> invalid is a resolution to me, not a step in the bug lifetime
[09:01] <ogra> bradb, its assingned if someone got the task to resolve it
[09:01] <ogra> bradb, as long as its not assigned, its unassigned :)
[09:01] <bradb> the word I'm asking you guys to describe to me is "Accepted", not "Assigned"
[09:01] <ogra> drop Accepted
[09:01] <tseng> well im not sure why it needs to be Accepted at all
[09:02] <bradb> tseng: what are you proposing instead?
[09:02] <ogra> its New or not... it will be NOTABUG or CONFIRMED or NEEDINFO if its not new
[09:03] <tseng> what does NEW matter? to me its assigned to a dev or it isnt
[09:03] <tseng> sorry if that doesnt fit into your model.
[09:03] <ogra> yep
[09:03] <bradb> tseng: ok, let's be clear here. what statuses are you proposing exactly?
[09:03] <ogra> tseng, New just mirrors unassigned and unconfirmed
[09:04] <tseng> unconfirmed isnt that useful to me
[09:04] <ogra> tseng, unconfirmed == new == not assigned
[09:04] <tseng> here is my model, someone files a bug, it gets assigned to a generic account
[09:04] <tseng> someoen watches those bugs and assigns them to the right place
[09:05] <\sh> bug-wrangler
[09:05] <tseng> then the assignee fixes the bug and updates the status
[09:05] <tseng> "New" status doesnt mean anything at all
[09:05] <tseng> to me anyway.
[09:05] <tseng> if you have to write something there, New is as good a word as any
[09:05] <ogra> tseng, so whats the difference between your model and the New model.... your generic mailaccount has the same functionallity
[09:06] <tseng> sure you can list all New bugs I guess
[09:06] <ogra> s/New/"New"
[09:06] <tseng> and assign them
[09:06] <tseng> so then its New/Assigned
[09:06] <ogra> its not New anymore if its assigned i think
[09:06] <bradb> right
[09:07] <tseng> then can you auto-adjust the status
[09:07] <tseng> to Accepted when someone assigns the bug for the first time
[09:07] <ogra> i wouldnt use additional status fields ....
[09:08] <bradb> tseng: ...and that's exactly why i think Accepted is a poor name for that status. :) from what you're telling me, you think it means that somebody's assigned to, and working on the bug.
[09:08] <ogra> New/Assigned/Needinfo/Fixed
[09:08] <tseng> well i see the usefulness if you dont have a bug wrangler account
[09:08] <ogra> thats my list of stati i really need
[09:08] <tseng> of having a New status
[09:08] <tseng> for reporting
[09:08] <bradb> tseng: when it could simply mean that the triager has gone through and feels confident that the bug is now assigned on the right thing, has the right severity and priority, and has a complete description.
[09:09] <tseng> bradb: can we have Unassigned/Assigned?
[09:09] <tseng> or new/unassasigned
[09:09] <bradb> tseng: we can infer that from the assignee field, no?
[09:09] <ogra> oh, i forgot Notabug in the above list :)
[09:09] <tseng> we surely can
[09:09] <tseng> if its empty
[09:09] <tseng> you can make a report on that just as easily
[09:09] <tseng> or assign it automatically to a bucket account
[09:10] <ogra> and i guess users want "Reopen"
[09:10] <bradb> ogra: i agree
[09:10] <tseng> bradb: what other big projects do is, someone(s) is bug wrangler
[09:10] <tseng> they get assigned all new bugs
[09:10] <tseng> and get an email for every one
[09:10] <tseng> they know who works on what, and route the bug.
[09:10] <tseng> and set whatever initial status stuff.
[09:10] <ogra> thats what mdz does for main....
[09:11] <bradb> tseng: i'm trying to cater to bug squads too
[09:11] <ogra> eah
[09:11] <ogra> y
[09:11] <tseng> bradb: rock on, so does that make sense?
[09:11] <tseng> file a new bug, assign it to bug-wranglers
[09:11] <ogra> i think a New status is good then....
[09:11] <tseng> they assign it
[09:11] <tseng> so you can make a list of bug-wrangler bugs
[09:11] <tseng> if you want unassigned things.
[09:11] <bradb> ogra: and what about "Accepted" again?
[09:11] <ogra> tseng, we want a bug day with a hell of community involvement....
[09:12] <tseng> bradb: can you tell us what *your* need for the field is?
[09:12] <tseng> maybe that will help too
[09:12] <ogra> so they should be able to just search in malone
[09:12] <bradb> tseng: i did earlier: triagers. :)
[09:12] <tseng> yep
[09:12] <bradb> tseng: picture this scenario:
[09:12] <tseng> well either way works then
[09:12] <ogra> bradb, *i* personally dont need a "Accepted" status....
[09:12] <bradb> you're part of the gnome bug squad
[09:12] <tseng> New or assigned to bug-wranglers
[09:12] <bradb> you find a bug that needs triaging
[09:13] <bradb> you communicate with the reporter
[09:13] <bradb> you're fairly new to this whole thing...you don't know a /lot/ about what everybody does in the project, you just want to help ensure the bug reports are high quality
[09:13] <bradb> so, finally, you've gotten enough info to provide a useful description on the bug, you've assigned it to the right sourcepackage...
[09:13] <bradb> you've set the priority/severity and versioned it correctly
[09:14] <bradb> what status do you put this bug in to say you're done with it? (i.e. that it has enough info for the right person to come along and grab it.)
[09:14] <tseng> ColinCharleQueue!!!
[09:14] <bradb> heh
[09:14] <ogra> you shouldnt set the prio
[09:15] <ogra> that should be done by the devs
[09:15] <tseng> priority should rarely change
[09:15] <tseng> in my experience
[09:15] <ogra> and the user shouldnt have an option to set the status
[09:16] <ogra> its "New" automatically
[09:16] <bradb> ogra: either/or (for example, GNOME's triage guide provides steps on how to set a good priority)...still, what state do you put it in now?
[09:16] <tseng> yes gnome uses confirmed/unconfirmed status and such
[09:16] <ogra> none, i just filed it, it should be New automatically.....
[09:17] <bradb> ogra: "i just filed it" is not the use case i described :)
[09:17] <ogra> i, the user shouldnt need to bother with staus, severity or priority
[09:17] <tseng> ok so you file it the bug its new
[09:17] <tseng> brad wants someone to be able to triage the bug and make it cleaner
[09:17] <tseng> w/o assigning
[09:17] <tseng> and indicate that in status, yes?
[09:17] <ogra> hmm
[09:18] <bradb> tseng: well, more importantly, do *you* *guys* think it's important to be able to distinguish a bug report from "just filed" to "a triager has looked at this; it's got all the info needed for somebody to work on it"
[09:19] <ogra> sorry, but for me the usecase of malone changed since i'm also in main... it has to be a bugzilla replacement for my worknow... so my POV is probably biased wrongly
[09:19] <tseng> ogra: yeah i am also pretty used to bugzilla
[09:19] <tseng> to the point it seems Right to me.
[09:19] <tseng> maybe its wrong :P
[09:19] <ogra> hmm
[09:20] <tseng> bradb: yes, thats not a bad idea
[09:20] <bradb> hence Unconfirmed/Confirmed :)
[09:20] <tseng> and it really does remind me of Colin Charles
[09:20] <tseng> joking aside
[09:20] <bradb> that's your problem
[09:20] <bradb> :P
[09:21] <tseng> Confirmed means something different to me
[09:21] <tseng> i could be wrong
[09:21] <tseng> but i think of bug/notabug or invalid
[09:21] <bradb> tseng: what does "this bug has been confirmed" mean to you?
[09:21] <ogra> bradb, yes, but a bug reviewed by a triager should be assigned after the review :)
[09:21] <tseng> it means "I can reproduce this bug also"
[09:21] <tseng> ogra: yeah I would agree with that
[09:22] <tseng> if they cant figure out how to route the bugs
[09:22] <tseng> we can make a table
[09:22] <tseng> "gnome bugs go to seb"
[09:22] <ogra> yep
[09:22] <Nafallo> dholbach: does you beagled work if you restart it?
[09:22] <dholbach> yeah... for a while, it does
[09:22] <tseng> bradb: what if it was New/Reviewed/Assigned
[09:23] <ogra> so i dont need confirmed/unconfirmed, but i have no idea how to keep pstream compatibility here
[09:23] <Nafallo> dholbach: mine stopped indexing files and addressbooks :-/
[09:24] <bradb> tseng: to me, "Reviewed" means somebody reviewed it, but implies nothing about the outcome of that review. "Assigned", to me, is something that's better inferred from looking at the assignee field, rather than creating a whole other status for it.
[09:24] <tseng> yeah i dont care about it either but i see the usecase
[09:24] <tseng> it would be nice to have people fixing up bugs
[09:24] <ogra> bradb, there simply should be no review without outcome
[09:25] <tseng> i dont care if they did or didnt
[09:25] <tseng> im used to bugs being bogus
[09:25] <Nafallo> hmm
[09:25] <tseng> or rather expect it until proven otherwise
[09:25] <Nafallo> tseng: if I delete .beagle it starts indexing again. I'll see if I can reproduce the error again :-/.
[09:25] <tseng> Nafallo: ok
[09:27] <bradb> tseng, ogra: just to be clear then: as the final word, do you guys think it's useful to have a way of differentiating bugs that haven't been triaged (i.e. brand new bug that just came into the system, could be pr0n link spam for all we know) from bugs that have been looked at by a more experienced person and tidied up to useful describe the problem?
[09:27] <ogra> yep
[09:28] <tseng> sure, its useful
[09:28] <bradb> ok
[09:28] <DanielN_> hi folks :)
[09:28] <tseng> they would probably assign it in the same step
[09:28] <bradb> i'll ponder that with mpt, thanks for your time
[09:29] <tseng> just judging from other big bug trackers
[09:54] <tseng> i cant help that guy
[10:00] <dholbach> sleep tight then, \sh
[10:00] <dholbach> or go have a walk
[10:00] <\sh> no i sleep ...
[10:01] <dholbach> ok then... have a good night
[10:01] <\sh> tomorrow I'm back in old mood :)
[10:01] <\sh> cu guys.
[10:01] <dholbach> :-)
[10:01] <dholbach> bye \sh
[10:53] <Nafallo> tseng: :-)
[10:55] <Nafallo> tseng: have you done something evil to daniels yet? ;-)
[11:04] <dholbach> beagle needs to have a look at xchatlogs
[11:04] <dholbach> and emails :-/
[11:04] <dholbach> that's be perfect
[11:04] <Nafallo> dholbach: it does e-mails?
[11:04] <dholbach> it should
[11:04] <dholbach> but doesnt do for me
[11:06] <Nafallo> dholbach: right. it doesn't.
[11:36] <ogra> dholbach, it should do xchat logs, they are only text files
[11:37] <ogra> and since it scans the filesystem (including . dirs) it should do them too....
[11:37] <dholbach> they don't seem indexed
[11:37] <ogra> how long does beagled run for you now? mine started crashing at some point
[11:38] <dholbach> yeah, i re-ran it then
[11:38] <dholbach> HOLY CRAP - 300 mb of swap
[11:38] <ogra> heh
[11:38] <ogra> yep
[11:39] <dholbach> i have a hell lot of "[beagled-index-h]  <defunct>"
[11:39] <ogra> heh
[11:39] <ogra> yep
[11:40] <dholbach> that's what i thought...
[11:40] <dholbach> :-p
[11:44] <ogra> :)
[11:44] <ogra> :)
[11:45] <lsuactiafner> anyone here use tc to do bandwidth limiting?
[11:45] <lsuactiafner> or can anyone suggest an easier solution?
[11:46] <ogra> money
[11:46] <lsuactiafner> actually wrong window.
[11:46] <dholbach> for one time actions i use trickle
[11:46] <Nafallo> lsuactiafner: wondershaper :-)
[11:46] <ogra> you could buy a big leased line with it :)
[11:46] <ogra> its the easiest solution i think....
[11:47] <Nafallo> hmm, does there exist a MOTURFP wikipage? ;-)
[11:48] <abarbaccia> hey - anybody know a good program that might be in universe that you can use to make movies from a slideshow with music and such
[11:48] <ogra> dunno if kino can do it.....
[11:49] <ogra> or cinepaint probably .....
[11:49] <lsuactiafner> Nafallo : thanks
[11:49] <tseng> Nafallo: no
[11:49] <lsuactiafner> i wrote a tc script but it doesnt work like it should
[11:49] <abarbaccia> lsuactiafner, sorry to hear that
[11:49] <abarbaccia> lol
[11:49] <ogra> Nafallo, UniverseCandidates
[11:50] <Nafallo> tseng: thought so. I tried to install tomboy again ;-)
[11:50] <lsuactiafner> ogra : there are no big leased lines in this country
[11:51] <Nafallo> ogra: RFP, Request For Packaging :-)
[11:51] <ogra> ah, damned, then this solution isnt the easiest :)
[11:51] <ogra> Nafallo, UniverseCandidates ;)
[11:51] <tseng> koke rocks!!!!!!
[11:52] <ogra> Nafallo, thats our RFP page
[11:52] <Nafallo> hehe, oki
[11:52] <tseng>    * don't warn on -0ubuntu1 versions (thanks to koke for the patch)
[11:52] <ogra> tseng, wrt dput ?
[11:52] <tseng>      (closes ubuntu #10878)
[11:52] <ogra> :)
[11:52] <tseng> yes.
[11:55] <Nafallo> lol
[11:55] <Nafallo> FreeDoko ;-)