=== schweeb [~chris@209.120.232.21] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:19] howdy all [12:26] schweeb: hi :-) === Arrogance [~aks@CPE0013104c07d6-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:31] clips needs xorg love [12:32] and elastic needs gcc-4.0 lovfe [12:32] as do entity and ferite [12:32] and zopex3 [12:34] and kismet :-)? 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How are you? [04:37] hi guys :) [04:38] hi ivoks :) [04:38] wow, activity! [04:38] tritium: not bad, yourself? [04:38] hi ivoks, schweeb [04:38] what up [04:38] crimsun, eh, stressful time... [04:38] wrapping up at work === schweeb hopes IBM/Lenovo ships his laptop soon === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:39] tritium: I hear ya. Hang in there, it'll soon be complete! [04:39] crimsun, thanks :) [04:39] raise your hand if you're working from home tomorrow! === schweeb raises hand [04:40] heh...i always work from home...since im not working [04:40] well, I just stopped by to say hello. Good night, gentlemen [04:40] night, tritium [04:40] night, schweeb [04:40] zul: vpns are godly === tritium [~tritium@12-208-96-155.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [04:40] :) [04:40] yes they are nice === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0483.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [~jaldhar@pcp09354467pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:03] schweeb: why do you get to work from home tomorrow? [05:03] blahrus: I feel like it [05:03] can do everything from home I can do from work [05:03] haha nice [05:04] thats great you should have them pay you more and the can give someone else your office :) [05:09] blahrus: they're probably overpaying me as it is [05:11] I don't wanna hear about that [05:11] it's true ;) [05:21] well help me sell them on some of site stuff :) [05:21] hah === JDahl [~joachim@ca-stmnca-cuda4-gen2m1-135.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === [Chameleon] [~Paul@000f660c9c52.click-network.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HostingGeek [~HG@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Panasonic [urubu@200-203-158-166.mganm202.dial.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Panasonic [urubu@200-203-158-166.mganm202.dial.brasiltelecom.net.br] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax9-003.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hsprang [~henning@c169156.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [~jm__@202.172.110.240] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:28] <\sh> moins [09:29] hi [09:42] <\sh> hmmm [09:43] <\sh> my harddrive is full [09:45] \sh: time to ditch the breezy chroot and upgrade for real :) [09:46] <\sh> Amaranth: u think so? [09:48] <\sh> yesterday it was only 31% now it's 100% and I don't know why..didn't download any pr0n yesterday or something like this [09:49] \sh: du -sh is your friend I guess [09:49] <\sh> yeah [09:50] <\sh> ok...i will backup my breezy trans stuff on my rootie [09:50] <\sh> there is more place [09:53] "Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks" [09:53] That has been there for almost 1 weeks [09:54] <\sh> from now [09:56] WTF [09:57] you extended it by another week [09:57] lets say I only say that topic last week [09:57] and started complaing in the list [09:57] how bout you shutup and get over it [09:58] it's actually said that for over a month now [09:58] but who cares, if you don't like it use hoary === koke [~koke@155.210.13.152] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:59] Amaranth: Shess [09:59] thats crazy [10:00] HostingGeek: Pay someone to do something about it, do something about it yourself, or stop complaining. [10:01] <\sh> see, all the guys are working on breezy...no one said, after 6 weeks breezy will be usable [10:02] Amaranth: I am not complain about it not being done [10:02] I am complaining that the topic says 2 weeks [10:02] sure you are [10:02] you have been fo rthe last 10 minutes :) [10:02] and in 2 weeks it might not be done [10:02] say something liker [10:02] "Please dont complain about mono deps until this notice is removed from the topic" [10:03] <\sh> "Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks and after 2 weeks, read this sentence again" [10:03] or "For complaints about mono deps, please send 10 mails to tseng" ;) [10:04] <\sh> or "Pay tseng 1Billion dollars to fix it" [10:04] \sh: ONE MILLION DOLLARS [10:04] 1 billion cajillion triolion baillion dollars [10:05] Lathiat: exactly :) [10:05] <\sh> finally the best way is: sit down, read the manual, fix it by yourself, become a motu ;) [10:06] \sh: and piss off the debian mono team, no thanks [10:06] <\sh> finally the best way is: sit down, read the manual, fix it by yourself, become a motu and deal with the debian mono team (compliments to Treenaks) [10:08] lol [10:08] or "For complaints about mono deps, please send 10 mails to tseng" ;) [10:08] whats his address? [10:08] HostingGeek: postmaster@aol.com [10:08] <\sh> 150MB from 1.5GB finished [10:08] HostingGeek: or no wait [10:09] HostingGeek: hostinggeek@[127.0.0.1] [10:09] lol [10:09] turningmyselfin@fbi.gov [10:09] I wasn't talking about email [10:09] i was talking about email [10:09] HostingGeek: were you or were you not talking about email? [10:10] I was talking about his postal address [10:10] oh yes [10:10] postal address and internet [10:10] they always go well together [10:10] especially with trolls [10:12] <\sh> ogra: pingeling === thesaltydog [~pippo@62.211.45.57] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:27] ajmitch: smeg 0.7.5 could probably be accepted now, seb has undone the menu renaming [10:57] moin [10:59] wiki awfully slow for me over here. :( === herzi [~herzi@d079137.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:08] <\sh> siretart: hey :) can u check please this list for libs, and send me a list of your already uploaded and compiled libs, so i can compile a list for infinity to remove those showstoppers? :) http://lucifer.0c3.net/~adconrad/frozenapps.txt [11:09] \sh: will do. I prepared 2 upload, but could you please have a look at them? [11:09] I want to avoid big mistakes [11:10] \sh: I have nothing on this list prepared. should I focus on libs on this list? [11:10] <\sh> siretart: I would like to, but right now, I'm not able to do anything, cause I'll need place...uploading some stuff to my backup hd ;) [11:11] whops. :) [11:13] <\sh> siretart: i think most of it it [11:13] <\sh> it's done...i saw some packages from ogra, but it looks like that some of them are not uploaded right now [11:14] \sh: what's the policy with transitioned libs, do they need to be reviewed before uploading, or may I upload at will? [11:14] <\sh> siretart: upload them :) [11:14] <\sh> put the debdiff in bugzilla [11:16] debdiffs are here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11636 and https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11510 [11:16] ok, will do [11:22] \sh: I've got cln2 & ginac on that list [11:22] not sure why pingus is waiting on clanlib, I thought I uploaded that? === ajmitch checked [11:23] s/ed/s/ [11:23] <\sh> ajmitch: check the buildlogs or the archive..if they're on frozenlibs, we have to tell infinity to remove them..or to remove the apps from frozenapps.txt which r depending on those libs [11:24] glcpu needs updated - it depends on libcommoncpp2-1.0-0 [11:25] <\sh> libcommoncpp2 is uploaded and finished... [11:25] look at what I said [11:25] 1.0.. 1.3 was uploaded [11:26] <\sh> aehm [11:27] ajmitch: nevermind on that, i think we're changing back again :) [11:27] <\sh> ah right...1.3 is the new version...so glcpu needs love [11:27] \sh: yes :) [11:27] ok, doko said clanlib was uploaded, but it wasn't [11:28] so I'll upload that [11:28] <\sh> glcpu depends on libcommoncpp2-dev? [11:28] <\sh> (without version info?) [11:29] \sh: yes, build-deps [11:29] ajmitch, I didn't say that [11:29] <\sh> hmmm...then it should get libcommoncpp2 (version 1.3) directly [11:29] doko: sorry, it was closed with FIXED, comment said built for amd64/i386/powerpc/ia64 [11:30] I assumed that meant you uploaded it [11:30] ouch, maybe I did that for the wrong report ... [11:31] doesn't matter, I'll upload [11:33] <\sh> doko: some news about ocaml? or is also waiting for a new xorg upload by daniels? :) [11:33] editex has ocaml fun as well :) [11:34] \sh: yes, waiting on xorg [11:34] <\sh> there r some apps with ocaml deps or ocaml-libdeps, which needs an updated ocaml ;) [11:36] <\sh> and gnuradio must be fixed by upstream [11:37] packages that build-depend on xlibmesa-dev, what's the replacement? [11:39] <\sh> xlibmesa-dev ;) [11:40] but I got comments on my difs telling me to change the build-deps to libglu-dev-xorg :) [11:40] even though it's not depending on the glu headers [11:41] <\sh> libglu-dev-xorg: Provides: libglu-dev, xlibmesa-glu-dev === ajmitch notes that's just for fox1.2.. [11:41] <\sh> eventually xlibmesa-gl-dev? [11:41] fox only deps on xlibmesa-dev, but got a similar comment [11:41] <\sh> yeah...xlibmesa-gl-dev is the new package [11:41] possibly [11:41] <\sh> Replaces: libgl-dev, libutahglx-dev, xlibmesa-dev (<< 4.2.1-5) [11:42] eventually [11:42] but xlibmesa-dev is at 6.8.2-22 at the moment [11:42] <\sh> Conflicts: libgl-dev, libutahglx-dev, xlibmesa-dev (<< 4.2.1-5) [11:42] <\sh> xlibmesa-gl-dev as well [11:42] yes, I checked those before I asked :) [11:43] <\sh> xlibmesa-dev is only a transitional package it will include xlibmesa-gl-dev and libglu-dev-xorg [11:43] will upload source package mesa in a few minutes [11:47] gnarf. in a few hours. gotta leave now. cu === ivoks [~ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:06] tseng: are you aware that libgecko-cil and libgecko2.0-cil depends on firefox-browser instead of firefox? f-b is not available in breezy [12:06] :) [12:14] yes [12:23] <\sh> I'm pissed now [12:23] yes? [12:24] <\sh> those guys from this office...they're something like assholes... [12:24] <\sh> sorry.. [12:25] <\sh> so many people, who r receiving more money then the NOC staff..and those engineering guys don't have a clue about the easiest methods of testing [12:25] <\sh> now they have hard+software running which is shitty, unstable, low level java shit [12:27] <\sh> and when we said from noc operations: we are not able to operate this shit, because it's unstable, it's eating memory blabla, what u get us a fcking statement like "it's not your concern, u r operating what we will give u..." and no [12:28] <\sh> and now, they're coming and pointing a finger on noc operations, that we didn't inform engineering, that this hardware and software doesn't work as expected... [12:28] <\sh> I'll go and fist now someone...i need to have my peace [12:29] wonderful, clanlib ftbfs [12:29] missing X11/Xlib.h [12:29] thats supposed to be fixed this week [12:29] if you believe it === susus [~sz@p5089ED0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:31] ajmitch: one of many :) === ogra [~ogra@p5089ED0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:32] ivoks: it's mildly annoying [12:32] wb ogra [12:37] i wish the vlc devs weren't so stupid [12:37] depending on hal and making it non-optional [01:00] <\sh> ajmitch: ping [01:01] <\sh> ajmitch: skstream? [01:06] <\sh> ajmitch: taking it...:) [01:13] sigh === ajmitch should just give up [01:14] <\sh> ajmitch: there r some more ;) I took them all ;) [01:14] gee thanks === ajmitch rm -rf's his cxx dirs [01:15] <\sh> skstream simage snacc [01:15] <\sh> sndobj snmpkit socketapi [01:16] asking is nice sometimes, \sh [01:17] <\sh> aehmm...remove me then ;) === jbailey [~jbailey@CPE000ded9d787c-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:26] \sh: so should I do any more cxx transition or am I wasting my time? [01:27] <\sh> ajmitch: sorry when I was acting to fast... [01:28] <\sh> +o [01:29] I see you took over all the libcc* ones that I didn't file my diffs for [01:29] <\sh> skstream and simage are done [01:29] <\sh> ajmitch: it was monday? [01:29] yes === ajmitch wasted his time on skstream as well [01:29] <\sh> yeah..i just search bugzilla for entries [01:30] <\sh> shit [01:30] <\sh> sometimes i'm really annoying [01:33] it takes quite awhile for me to be able to do anything with bugzilla, on this connection === doko_ [~doko___@dsl-084-059-040-073.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:33] editing the wiki page is similar [01:41] <\sh> ok...tell me which diffs u have prepared, i will change the wiki page..the bugentries are already filed..so i will assign them to u [01:47] currently trying to track down a useful patch for sigcx [01:47] since I don't know baz well enough, and the source tree has changed a bit [01:50] someone who generates template classes from m4 has to be at least a little evil [01:50] or a friend of jbailey's [01:51] Hey.... [01:51] :) [01:51] You mean C++ template classes? [01:51] yeah [01:51] Ugh. [01:51] From m4? [01:51] uses m4 to produce templates with different arguments\ [01:51] m4 is a lovely language, but why not cpp? [01:52] hm my screen-auto-away thing is not working [01:52] it sets away in irssi when you detach screen [01:54] tseng: thats cool, how does that work [01:55] it just watches for the pid of screen for your user i think [01:56] every few seconds. === thesaltydog [~yoshi@host194-61.pool8023.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke [~koke@155.210.13.152] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jamessan|work [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Danten [~danten@h98n9c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:39] <\sh> back from fisting manager [02:40] thats pretty gross [02:40] in english anyway. [02:40] lol [02:40] indeed [02:42] bwar i need to finish gst-plugins-multiverse [02:42] and write reviews for all the mono stuff [02:42] <\sh> sorry [02:42] so I guess fixing boo man pages isnt a huge issue now that debian uploaded w/o them [02:42] yay for policy [02:43] <\sh> ogra: did u uploaded srcpackage: unicon? [02:43] <\sh> ogra: it's on the frozenapps list...and if its uploaded and compiled we can remove it [02:43] \sh, waits for the Xheaders to be fixed... [02:43] <\sh> ah [02:44] \sh, its my last package from my list... tyvis waits for the last warped build with the fix from yesterday [02:44] then i'm done [02:44] daniels promised to fix X today.... lets see === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:\sh] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks | Please dont complain about X for the next 2 weeks [02:45] <\sh> ,-) [02:45] \sh, X is ok....only the headers are stored in mixed locations currently [02:46] <\sh> just joking..thinking about a discussion this morning about the mono deps ;) [02:46] *yawn* [02:46] <\sh> and I'm in === ogra ignores mono dep discussions... [02:47] someone told me about one just today already [02:47] that i already uploaded a fix for [02:53] <\sh> mmm... [02:53] <\sh> sf.net downloads are not working? === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.151] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:00] <\sh> who was working on glcpu? === motaboy [~motaboy@host238-41.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:00] noone, I said that it required a rebuild earlier [03:00] <\sh> ah :) [03:01] and hopefully the libcommoncpp2-dev shlibs are correct [03:02] <\sh> hmmm...any special action for rebuilding? or only changing the version in changelog and uploading? [03:02] change version [03:02] a rebuild might only take a build version.. [03:03] eg 1.1-1 becomes 1.1-1build1, iirc [03:03] <\sh> so..no ubuntu stuff [03:04] depends if it has an ubuntu version already :) [03:04] <\sh> no [03:04] <\sh> plain debian [03:04] ok === ajmitch is trying to help a friend get ubuntu installed [03:05] it fails consistently each time === ozamosi [~ozamosi@cust-adsl-80-252-171-204-dynamic.areteadsl.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch stabs beagle [03:11] :'( [03:11] ajmitch: don't install breezy for noobs [03:12] Treenaks: pfft [03:12] I'm helping him install hoary [03:12] with beagle ? [03:12] tseng: well, it got to about 900MB mem usage before I killed it [03:12] ogra: 2 different things [03:12] ajmitch: well, yes [03:13] it needs alot more love yet [03:13] ajmitch, get more mem ;) [03:13] we have a few months. [03:13] ogra: surely long^Wbreezy should work fine with 1GB? [03:14] long? [03:14] oh. [03:14] tseng: I think it choked on my cached liferea rss [03:15] boo liferea [03:15] the cache dir is about 60MB for it [03:15] gross [03:15] tseng, its written in boo ? thats news to me [03:15] blam throws the old crap out [03:15] ogra: :D [03:15] i wonder why boo didnt come over yet [03:15] :) [03:15] I didn't want the old crap thrown out [03:15] it was uploaded to unstable afaik [03:16] <\sh> glcpu just build fine [03:16] \sh: good [03:16] <\sh> on my local machine...lets wait for the other arch [03:16] http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/boo/boo_0.5.5.1651-1.diff.gz [03:17] gar [03:17] it does have some manpages === mgalvin [~mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:27] morning all [03:27] siretart, ping [03:33] \sh: gah, here comes my companies asshole [03:33] "why the fuck blah blah" [03:34] <\sh> hehe...so lets be pissed together :( [03:34] this guy couldnt figure out how to use my app [03:34] clicking hyperlinks is tough. [03:34] <\sh> tseng: answer to him: RTFM? [03:35] mgalvin: pong [03:38] siretart, just wanted to let you know i updated cegui to that latest version and it will be in debian very soon [03:38] i notified the debian maintainer, he will upload it when he gets a chance [03:38] mgalvin: great! :) [03:39] so when the c++ transition stuff is done, we can just pull it in from debian [03:41] mgalvin: since it is a NEW package, we will sync it automatically [03:41] siretart, oh I am also working with fog(the debian maintainer) on a new ogre package to support multiple platforms, there will be libogre-base5, libogre-glx5, and libogre-sdl5 [03:41] ok cool, even better :) [03:46] :) === DanielN [foobar@80-218-243-68.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:01] argh [04:01] i'll get in troubles to find someone, signing my gpg key :/ [04:01] did you search big lumber? [04:01] not yet [04:01] i'm in school actually [04:04] mhm [04:04] not in my near environment [04:04] :/ === lamont__ [~lamont@15.238.6.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:16] hmmm, funny ubuntu-users, "So if I install for example gcc-4.0-base from the backports repository ....." [04:16] doko ^^ did you have a look at that package ? [04:16] its in there? [04:16] wtf for [04:16] no idea... [04:16] but the user asks about it in -users [04:16] i thought we agreed to not touch that stuff [04:17] http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-June/038173.html [04:18] ogra: no, I don't comment on that one. [04:18] heh [04:18] doko, we will have official backports soon... so it would probably make sense to have a look :) [04:18] since its the same guy... [04:19] mm, backports.. [04:19] *shudder* (still) === ajmitch might need to backport some zope stuff :) [04:20] ogra: maybe just require glibc >= 2.3.5 and binutils >= 2.16 and he will think twice ... [04:20] heh [04:20] doko: Or they might not. Careful what you ask for. =) [04:20] doko: the problem is that people don't think, they just see shiny new versions :) [04:21] ajmitch: new = good! [04:21] of course [04:21] I can't wait for grumpy === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:21] gcc 4 is a major version component bump [04:21] that must mean its really good [04:21] i think its not about tricking the backports guys..... the right approach is to embrace, squeeze and in the end swallow them to become real maintainers ;) [04:22] ogra: i told him we would stop laughing at him if he closed the project and joined motu [04:22] ogra: no luck. [04:22] tseng, just dont give up ;) what will he do if we open a MOTUBackports team.... and offer him the lead ? [04:23] ogra: I can see a point, where he want to build OOo2 for backports. but in this case, he should better use the GCC included in OOo2 [04:23] ogra: erm, the same thing i do now [04:23] you cant shut it dwn... [04:23] poor people that try & use beagle from backports [04:23] ogra: cry all day long while people in #mono point out the backport [04:24] tseng, the current situation is odd, but not to solve right now... [04:25] no one in there has any patience or appreciation of how much work it takes is all [04:25] so lets look at the future... lets get these people in, let them have a team and we have an option to have some influence, the user demand for backports is to big to not do it it seems.... [04:25] the backport user doesnt understand the implications [04:26] they just see "cool stuff + stable = win" [04:26] the backport user just wants the latest crap, if it isnt available as deb he will alien an rpm or build from source..... [04:27] < nathany> hi everyone, i'm trying to get Beagle running on Ubuntu and have run into [04:27] some problems... [04:27] so having packages we can actually influence a bit and check for quality is the compromise in front of this users [04:27] [04:27] < nathany> well i'm using the debs from the Ubuntu Backports project, as recommended [04:27] on the website [04:27] winner! [04:28] cant jdong just backport the current backages and have an update ? [04:28] as recommended on the beagle site, no doubt [04:28] ajmitch, it is [04:28] thats the sad part about it [04:28] ogra: I guess [04:28] latest beagle wants latest inotify to work nice [04:28] ajmitch, really ? thats a versioning thing ? [04:29] ogra: yeah, inotify 0.23 is in breezy's kernel [04:29] tseng, hmm, the bad thing is that beagle involves dbus.... wont work.... [04:29] it doesnt [04:29] 0.0.10 doesn't need dbus [04:29] if he updated it. [04:29] ah === ozamosi_ [~ozamosi@80.252.185.147] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:31] i asked him to leave it exactly like it was, and let people slowly move to breezy [04:31] instead he tried to update everything [04:31] and i keep hearing about it every day [04:39] < orospakr> argh! the backports packages are no good [04:39] < orospakr> MD 0.7 require monodoc [04:39] < orospakr> but alas, it is simply not there. [04:39] heh [04:39] I could do this all day [04:41] i dont want to hold his hand [04:41] if you know what I mean. [04:43] yep [04:43] but this way people will grok how bad it is to use backports... its ok....(if you can ignore it) [04:44] and it shows how urgent the teaming up is [04:44] so in the end its a good thing [04:44] its hard to ignore, i spend all my time trying to do it the right way [04:44] and what people are actually using is a broken copy [04:45] but thats not your fault [04:45] we are working in a development version... its the fault of the guy making untested backports available [04:45] but it turns people off to ubuntu-mono [04:46] (which upstream picks over their own distro) [04:46] <\sh> ok...glcpu compiled on all archs [04:48] tseng, but still... we are a development distro currently... the guy who pulls them from hee knows about it, i'd expect him to do a well test... if not, redirect the complaintments dirctly to him.... give the people his mailadress, he broek it, let him take the complaints [04:48] thats a good idea, point them at his little forum [04:48] yeah [04:49] since he doesnt participate in upstream [04:49] if he made the error, he has to cope with it [04:49] and its something you shouldnt waste time and nerves on [04:51] http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=47 [04:52] <\sh> who is it? [04:52] jdong [04:53] <\sh> yeah...but what thread? [04:53] there is no thread yet [04:53] i hear about his bugs all day on irc, so i am going to make people complain on the forums [04:53] <\sh> i think it's cleared how he has to deal with backports [04:53] well he is going against the standards we came up with [04:54] no libraries, no interpreters, and i asked him personally to stop doing mono [04:54] <\sh> raise it upto sabdfl [04:54] i dont want to raise it to anyone [04:54] i want him to see his own bugs. [04:55] its not a personal thing [04:55] <\sh> mark was involved...so someone has to take care about it...if there should be an official backports projects, he has to deal now with the rules [04:55] sleep time, bbl [04:55] <\sh> tseng: between work/volunteer work and personal feelings, there is a difference..:) and right now, we're talking about work [04:56] <\sh> ajmitch: can i take the other packages? [04:56] <\sh> sndobj snmpkit socketapi? [04:56] <\sh> or r u working on it? [04:57] <\sh> anyways..going home...later dudes [04:57] bye. === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC12C5.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xuzo [~xuzo@bolgo.cent.uji.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:39] we really need to come up with something for this tomboy icon [05:39] it looks awful [05:40] tseng, do you have the full iconset anywhere ? [05:40] yes but tomboy doesnt use the icon theme [05:40] it uses a static pixmap [05:40] not what i saw at guadec... [05:40] from who? [05:40] on redhat and suse i saw other icons [05:41] yes [05:41] so the code seems to use it anyhow [05:41] i think they just shipped the correct size [05:41] let me find the suse rpm them [05:41] hmm, thats what i maent, do you have all these icons ? [05:41] yes [05:41] good... [05:41] but dajobe is installing 48x48 [05:41] i can look into it if you like [05:42] and it scales badly [05:42] no you have important tasks [05:42] this is something stupid i put off [05:43] lets just do it right... we have plenty of time for such stuff [05:43] the srpm has every size included [05:44] mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/opt/gnome/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/ [05:44] cp %SOURCE1 $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/opt/gnome/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/tintin.png [05:44] huh [05:44] they arent patching it to do that [05:44] i am sure that didnt work for me [05:44] let me try it [05:45] it does, but you'll have to roll a new upstream tarball.... ugly [05:45] no i dont [05:45] err, they use tintin.png ? [05:45] we uuencode the image [05:45] and put it in diff.gz [05:46] tseng, you just said without patching [05:46] in debian/ [05:46] i mean they dont patch the source [05:46] yep [05:46] srpm is an archive that can have patches, original upstream source, and whatever else [05:46] they put the images right in the archive [05:46] but not in the source. === bradb [~bradb@modemcable082.64-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:51] no that isnt working here [05:52] ill build their source === MagnusR [~magru@as1-1-7.t.lk.bonet.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:54] anyone know what -dev package "xf86vmode.h" might live in? [05:55] found it, libxxf86vm-dev [06:03] hm there are issues with mesa (source package). Will defer upload until I realize whats going on there... === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:18] <\sh> re [06:18] <\sh> how good it is to run a journaled file system on usb hds === bddebian [~bddebian@user216-178-65-218.netcarrier.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:25] Howdy === |QuaD- [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === |QuaD- [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:11] ogra: have you had a change to try beagle? [07:11] not yet [07:12] a chance. [07:12] hmmm, installs fine :) [07:20] tseng... doesnt work :( [07:21] ogra: well, whats wrong [07:21] I made one bug [07:21] if it says somethign about sqlite [07:21] its my fault [07:21] nope [07:22] Die Abfrage fr mdz ist mit folgendem Fehler fehlgeschlagen: [07:22] System.Net.Sockets.SocketException: Connection refused in [0x00063] System.Net.Sockets.Socket:Connect (System.Net.EndPoint remote_end) in <0x00032> Beagle.Util.UnixClient:Connect (Mono.Posix.UnixEndPoint remoteEndPoint) in <0x00046> Beagle.Util.UnixClient:Connect (System.String path) in <0x00029> Beagle.Util.UnixClient:.ctor (System.String path) in <0x00034> Beagle.Client:SendRequest (Beagle.RequestMessage request) in <0x00020> Beagle.Client:S [07:22] endAsync (Beagle.RequestMessage request) in <0x000db> Beagle.RequestMessage:SendAsync () in <0x0020b> Best.BestWindow:Search (System.String searchString) [07:22] thats what best shows me [07:23] ah, and beagled crashed in the background [07:31] tseng, now beagled and best work fine, but the query gets no responses [07:32] i see it running in the beagled terminal.... but nothing in best [07:40] someone said that earlier [07:40] that it wasnt indexing anything [07:40] mine does [07:40]