[12:00] <nalioth> SLicE_: so in the term you are asking "file .icewm" to find out what kind of data .icewm is
[12:00] <isty> hola a todos
[12:00] <nutorian> Ok yeah...
[12:01] <nutorian> Can anyone help me?
[12:01] <nutorian> And just and right human being?
[12:01] <emanuelez> hello
[12:01] <emanuelez> is there any way to configure cups manually? not using the gnome printer mnagement tool
[12:02] <emanuelez> unblocking localhost:631 would be lovely too
[12:02] <nutorian> Anyone?
[12:02] <Razor-X> emanuelez: you have a router, correct?
[12:02] <Razor-X> nutorian: what's your question?
[12:02] <emanuelez> Razor-X, no i don't
[12:03] <TD> does anybody know if ubuntu ships the linux-ntfs driver?
[12:03] <Razor-X> emanuelez: then, I believe the problem is that CUPS web administration is disabled by default, unless you have a box that acts as a router on the netword
[12:03] <Razor-X> TD: read support yes, write support no
[12:03] <WhiteRabbit> TD, just compile it into the kernel much better
[12:03] <TD> ok, that's fine :)
[12:03] <TD> that's what i wanted to hear
[12:03] <Razor-X> and I have my own question, why isn't cplay working after I apt-get it?
[12:03] <emanuelez> Razor-X, no... it's always disabled to force users to use the gnome tool
[12:03] <Sero> I can't get my sound to work.
[12:03] <Razor-X> emanuelez: or the KDE tool ;)
[12:04] <Razor-X> why not use the Gnome tool?
[12:04] <TD> thanks
[12:04] <emanuelez> no kubuntu user here LOL
[12:04] <Razor-X> emanuelez: moi?
[12:04] <emanuelez> Razor-X, cause i have a weird printer with custon drivers and the gnome tool doesn't seem to be elastic enough
[12:04] <Sero> Can anyone help me get my sound to work? Or direct me somewhere that can?
[12:04] <[koji] > how do i mount iso?
[12:05] <nalioth> Sero: have you been to the ubuntulinux.org/wiki? there are a few wikis there on sound issues
[12:05] <Razor-X> emanuelez: GNOME tool doesen't change a thing, you just have to play around with CUPS
[12:05] <Razor-X> [koji] : google it, or I can for you
[12:05] <emanuelez> [koji] , mount -t iso9660 file.iso /mnt/dir
[12:05] <Razor-X> ok then, there you are ;)
[12:05] <[koji] > thanks emanuelez
[12:07] <Xappe> emanuelez: you can edit the /etc/cups/cupsd.conf to fit your needs
[12:08] <SLicE_> nalioth, my fault its a directory is what is came up as
[12:09] <emanuelez> Xappe, i think i'll try that :)
[12:09] <nalioth> SLicE_: so in the terminal (or you can add .icewm to the end of the url in nautilus) type "cd .icewm"
[12:09] <nalioth> SLicE_: then you'll find your settings files
[12:09] <arthurb> "In other words, I forced it to use en_US for everything. Save and exit. Then, I logged out and logged back in. Everything seems to now work fine. In order to clean things up, I ran" <= is shutting down a virtual console ok or does it imply rebooting ?
[12:10] <count0_food> !weather auckland
[12:10] <jakobbg> Why is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports disabled?
[12:10] <jakobbg> oh, ah. it's disabled. use a mirror. right :-)
[12:11] <nutorian> Razor-X: I can't get my sound to work.
[12:11] <nalioth> jakobbg: cuz backports causes system instability
[12:12] <nutorian> jakobbg:] 
[12:12] <nalioth> nutorian: have you been to the ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ and read the sound wiki(s)?
[12:12] <thechitowncubs> Hey, my mom needs to use terminal server client so she can connect to her computer at work, but when I tried to connect to a local Win XP computer on my local network, the colors were very low quality, is there a workaround for this?
[12:13] <nutorian> nalioth: a friend said they stunk. Will it help me?
[12:13] <nalioth> nutorian: it helped me
[12:13] <nalioth> nutorian: ymmv
[12:13] <Razor-X> nutorian: what's your sound card?
[12:13] <thechitowncubs> nvm, i found the color depth option, what is a good setting?
[12:14] <thechitowncubs> True Color?
[12:14] <Razor-X> thechitowncubs: you mean, Remote Desktop?
[12:14] <thechitowncubs> yes...
[12:14] <Razor-X> yes, true color is good
[12:14] <Razor-X> whatever the windows box is set on
[12:14] <nutorian> nalioth, I don't see anything in here. Razor-X, SB Live 24bit...
[12:14] <SLicE_> nalioth, you're my hero
[12:14] <Ottoman> hi
[12:14] <nutorian> No one has been able to help me get my sound working.
[12:14] <nutorian> Razor-X: 7.1
[12:15] <Ottoman> I'm getting error 17 with GRUB when I'm booting
[12:15] <Razor-X> nalioth: what's the problem, sound doesen't work at all, arts crashes, hmmmm?
[12:15] <synd> nalioth: would you get an intel based ibook?
[12:15] <Ottoman> and the Ubuntu installation cd doesnt seem to find any filesystem on my linux partition
[12:15] <[koji] > how do you enable dma on a usb dvd device?
[12:16] <matjan_> hi, is anyone of you on DSL?
[12:16] <Ottoman> I just resized some partitions with partition magic too, that's what caused it
[12:16] <nalioth> nutorian: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary
[12:16] <Razor-X> what version of alsa do you have?
[12:16] <nalioth> Razor-X: nutorian is hvg the snd prob
[12:16] <Xappe> Ottoman: dd you remove partitions too?
[12:16] <caonex> I am trying to run apt-get upgrade, but I am getting an error: Reading package lists... Done
[12:16] <caonex> Segmentation faulty tree... 50%
[12:17] <nalioth> synd: if it upholds the quality and kewlness of mac, yes
[12:17] <Ottoman> Xappe, no I did not
[12:17] <arthurb> nooope didn't work
[12:17] <mario_> whats up!!!
[12:17] <Ottoman> I only resized my windows partition after a defrag ofcourse
[12:17] <mario_> como se les va
[12:18] <arthurb> I still have perl complaining about the locales
[12:18] <mario_> muy bien he!!
[12:18] <mario_> nos vermosx
[12:19] <neuro_> why aye
[12:20] <Xappe> Ottoman: maybe PM somehow screwed your linux partition. try booting with a live cd and see what fdisk -l gives you
[12:20] <rixth> How do I enable my Nvidia graphics card? I heard I just need to set an option somehwere.
[12:20] <rixth> I mean, to enable the drivers
[12:20] <ubuntu> hey
[12:20] <Juhaz> where is time config in debian/ubuntu, it thinks my system clock is in UTC but it's local time
[12:20] <nutorian> nalioth: that doesn't seem like my problem... I need drivers my suond doesn't work for like ANYTHING.
[12:21] <nalioth> nutorian: then we're to the limit of my knowledge
[12:21] <^thehatsrule^> rixth, read the nvidia binary drivers howto on the ubuntu website
[12:21] <rixth> Going there now
[12:21] <neuro_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:22] <Ottoman> Xappe, it could't find the filesystem, am I screwed?
[12:22] <Xappe> Ottoman: probably. sounds like a reinstall situation to me
[12:22] <Xappe> but I might be wrong
[12:23] <Ottoman> I certainly don't know any way to get a filesystem type back :s
[12:24] <nalioth> Ottoman: fdisk didnt mention anything unix like?
[12:25] <nutorian> When I try to run alsamixergui it says, "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default : No such file or directory"
[12:25] <caonex> I am trying to run apt-get upgrade, but I am getting an error: Reading package lists... Done
[12:25] <caonex> Segmentation faulty tree... 50%
[12:29] <Razor-X> nutorian: what's your .asoundrc?
[12:30] <fer> buenas noches
[12:31] <fer> no se si alguien me podra ayudar, pero he agotado a san google y santo man
[12:31] <fer> y no se por donde tirar
[12:31] <fer> es cuestion de acentos y ees
[12:31] <fer> y del euro
[12:32] <fer> tengo es_ES@euro como locale general y no logro que me funcione el teclado bien
[12:32] <SLicE_> how do you launch limewire from terminal?
[12:32] <Xappe> fer #ubuntu-es plz
[12:32] <nalioth> SLicE_: if it's in your $PATH, "limewire.jar" should do it
[12:32] <fer> i may repeat the question in english if it may help
[12:33] <rob_d> Oy
[12:33] <^thehatsrule^> or java limewire.jar
[12:33] <nalioth> fer please do, no hablamos espanol aqui
[12:33] <fer> i have something wrong with the keyboard
[12:34] <SLicE_> nalioth, obviously I switched to icewm and now my limewire icon is gone and  I don't know the command  I opened a terminal and typed "limewire.jar" didn't work
[12:34] <fer> i cant type euros nor tildes->
[12:34] <fer> i have UTF-8 locales
[12:34] <nutorian> Razor-X: I don't know what that is.
[12:34] <^thehatsrule^> change your language/keyboard preferences
[12:34] <eliot> SLicE_: java -jar limewire.jar
[12:34] <nalioth> SLicE_: so do what ^thehatsrule^ suggested
[12:34] <fer> but i doewsnt work
[12:35] <fer> my keyboard is rightly choosed, and so are the locales
[12:35] <fer> i can type everything right in the login scree but no further
[12:35] <^thehatsrule^> try another perhaps...
[12:35] <SLicE_> negative on all three
[12:35] <fer> es_ES@euro doesn't work neither
[12:35] <Ottoman> nalioth didn't check with (dos) fdisk yet
[12:36] <^thehatsrule^> SLicE_, you ofc have to do it IN the directory of the limewire.jar
[12:36] <SLicE_> gotcha
[12:36] <Ottoman> even if it did, grub still can't recognize it
[12:36] <SLicE_> thank you
[12:36] <^thehatsrule^> np
[12:36] <fer> were dies gdm read i18n from?
[12:36] <calamari> I would like to have a program execute after Gnome is fully loaded.. similar to the Startup folder in Windows.  Is there such a thing?
[12:36] <eliot> java -jar /PATH/limewire.jar
[12:36] <fer> why it is right and everythimg else wrong
[12:36] <fer> ?
[12:38] <ifr> Hi, all, anyone doing VNC into a windows box via ssh?
[12:38] <^thehatsrule^> calamari, ya there is, some text file, i do not remember for gnome
[12:38] <nalioth> Ottoman: use linux fdisk
[12:38] <ablyss> vnc supports ssh now?
[12:38] <ifr> I meant using an ssh tunnel...Sorry.
[12:38] <ablyss> that's news to me
[12:38] <ablyss> not me.. i use vnc :P
[12:38] <calamari> ^thehatsrule^: I tried .gnomerc .. but I guess it gets run too soon :)
[12:39] <nalioth> ifr: i vnc/ssh into a OSX box from ubuntu
[12:39] <nalioth> ablyss: ssh tunneling
[12:39] <calamari> I'm trying to redefine my keys with xmodmap, and Gnome resets them.. so it have to be executed after GNome is all done
[12:39] <^thehatsrule^> i know for X servers without gdm, its in .xinitrc
[12:39] <ifr> Hi, nalioth, mind if I PM you ?
[12:39] <^thehatsrule^> its different for ubuntu tho
[12:39] <^thehatsrule^> cause it uses that
[12:39] <ablyss> i don ssh tunneling but not to windows
[12:39] <nalioth> ifr: if you ask here, more peeps can learn
[12:40] <ifr> Yes, Iwas jut thinking that !
[12:40] <ablyss> windows 2k shell is pretty boring to me
[12:40] <mhz> hi
[12:40] <eliot> ablyss: it's MS-DOS. what do you expect
[12:40] <caonex> I am trying to run apt-get upgrade, but I am getting an error: Reading package lists... Done
[12:40] <caonex> Segmentation faulty tree... 50%
[12:41] <Ottoman> nalioth why would linux fdisk give anything other than the ubuntu installer?
[12:41] <ifr> Oky trying to get the idea. First, how do you initiate the tunnel, nalioth: are you running an sshd on the windows box or does the windows machine make the connection to you?
[12:41] <ifr> I ask because the user of windows is, well, not comfortable and it maybe easier for me to surf into their machine than vice versa
[12:41] <ablyss> wow ubuntu updates
[12:41] <mhz> has anyone successfully set up a USB snapscan e25 scanner??
[12:41] <nalioth> Ottoman: fdisk -l /dev/hd(X)    should tell you whats on the HD in question
[12:42] <nalioth> ifr: sshd runs on the box you are vncing into
[12:42] <ifr> Right. So wt do you use on windows? Is there a free sshd I can get for Windows?
[12:43] <bobbyd> hi
[12:43] <HrdwrBoB> hi
[12:43] <ablyss> nothing is free about windows
[12:43] <nalioth> ifr: you'll have to find a sshd for winduhs (such as cygwin based)
[12:43] <bobbyd> I'm trying to encode to theora with mplayer, but the theora codec doesn't seem to be in the mencoder-586 pakage
[12:43] <rob_d> Question: w/ ubuntu, how do I get the kernal source installed so I can recompile the kernal to support a 4 processor antique?
[12:43] <nalioth> bobbyd: libtheora should be searched for
[12:43] <ifr> Right and then the fun begins, in an endless cycle of dependencies, like early RedHat. It's worth 30 bucks for one then. Nalioth, can you tell me if I have this right....
[12:44] <ifr> I instal the sshd on the windows machine and VNC SErver on the windows box....
[12:44] <nalioth> rob_d: use synaptic (easier searching) and look for it, its there
[12:44] <ablyss> rob, i would use synaptic and do a search for "kernels" and see what kernels pop up
[12:45] <Xappe> goodnight ppl
[12:45] <Ottoman> I think I'm just gonna reinstall my Ubuntu :)
[12:45] <ifr> I ssh tunnel from ubuntu something like ssh 5900:localhost:5901 -user server.host (or whatever the port is) ...
[12:45] <Ottoman> goodnight!
[12:45] <ifr> I fire up VNC viewer on linux and point it t localhost...
[12:45] <bobbyd> nalioth: I have libtheora installed
[12:45] <ifr> Is this right or am I missing something>
[12:45] <eliot> ablyss: or simply use apt-cache
[12:46] <ablyss> hmm.. xvnc on localhost.. that is something you dont hear of everyday
[12:46] <nalioth> ifr here is mine "ssh -L 5900:127.0.0.1:5900 user@host.name"
[12:46] <ifr> apt-cache search [packagename]  works well, then apt-cache show [package] 
[12:46] <nalioth> bobbyd: use synaptic and search for "theora"
[12:46] <flodine> anyone on xfce
[12:46] <ablyss> me
[12:46] <DataCalib> Hi, has anyone gotten Ubuntu Hoary to work with dual video cards? I have an Nvidia GF3 (agp) and a FX5200 (pci)
[12:46] <rob_d> thaks sooo much
[12:46] <bobbyd> nalioth: I have libtheora installed already, i just said so!
[12:46] <ablyss> i never tried apt-cache
[12:47] <ifr> Ablyss it's a lot faster than synaptic IMHO
[12:47] <bobbyd> nalioth: and I have gstreamer0.8-theora
[12:47] <nalioth> bobbyd: i'm not familiar with ALL of the theora codec, perhaps there is one you do NOT have?
[12:47] <ablyss> sudo: atp-cache: command not found
[12:47] <ifr> nalioth, righto, looks good. Last thing: when I fire up vnc do I do it from the command line like vnc localhost:1 ?
[12:47] <eliot> apt..
[12:47] <ifr> ablyss: apt-cache search [string] 
[12:47] <ablyss> i guess it would help if i spelled it correcly
[12:47] <nalioth> ift, i dont know, i use krdc here on ubuntu
[12:47] <ifr> Ah.
[12:48] <ablyss> kewl
[12:48] <ifr> krdc - is that for kde or gnome?
[12:48] <ifr> ablyss, yep!
[12:48] <ablyss> kde and it dont work for me on ubunto
[12:48] <nalioth> ifr: and "localhost" doestn seem to work for me, i have to issue 127.0.0.1
[12:48] <ifr> Wow!
[12:48] <ablyss> not even on kubunto
[12:48] <nalioth> ifr: the gnome remote desktop thang doesent seem to work for me, krdc is KDE
[12:48] <ablyss> xvnc works fine though
[12:49] <ifr> nalioth, I see. As far as localhost, I've used it quite a bit for my mail setup...
[12:49] <ifr> I wonder why it doesn't work....
[12:49] <ablyss> didn't work in the previous distro of ubunto either if I remember
[12:49] <eliot> ablyss: ubuntu...not ubunto
[12:49] <nalioth> ifr: if it works for you, great. just giving you my experience
[12:49] <ifr> No, I meant I wonder why calliong localhost in the tunnel doesn't work.
[12:50] <ablyss> how about xmms.. does it crash in gnome for everyone else or is it just me?
[12:50] <IIIEars> !ubuntu
[12:50] <ubotu> I guess ubuntu is Open the gates To East and West Bring in all That's good and best. - Lenrie Peter
[12:50] <ifr> nalioth, I wasn't criticizing, I was wondering aloud!
[12:50] <ablyss> ubuntu.. er ty ty
[12:50] <ifr> I was thinking if I might be able to offer some help!
[12:50] <ablyss> but when i play xmms on xfce or kde... works perfect
[12:51] <nalioth> ifr: is your winduhs-afflicted friend running XP?
[12:51] <eliot> you need gnome-intergration
[12:51] <we2by> I got error when doing apt-get install nvu
[12:51] <ablyss> maybe that would fix krdc
[12:51] <ifr> Yes, Home edition though, so it lacks certain remote desktop stuff.
[12:51] <we2by> authorization required
[12:51] <hor> Can i install g++3.3 and g++3.4 side by side?
[12:51] <ifr> we2by are you root?
[12:51] <eliot> I would think not
[12:51] <ifr> we2by sudo apt-get istall [package] 
[12:51] <sysrq> hor: yes
[12:52] <nalioth> ifr: does it have "remote help" (aka let haX0rs take over your puter)?
[12:52] <ifr> er..... apt-get install
[12:52] <eliot> sysrq: ah my mistake
[12:52] <ifr> nalioth, yes, but then there's the whole security issue which really worries me
[12:52] <HrdwrBoB> nalioth: vino has that
[12:52] <nalioth> HrdwrBoB: huh?
[12:52] <ifr> Hi, HrdwrBoB.
[12:52] <HrdwrBoB> hello
[12:52] <kudzubane> nalioth, got a quick one for ya
[12:52] <nalioth> ifr: it's another option
[12:53] <HrdwrBoB> nalioth: vino is a VNC server that uses your current screen
[12:53] <ifr> Yes, believe me after three hours with cygwin I considered it mightily!
[12:53] <HrdwrBoB> there's a config item for it, I can't remember where though
[12:53] <ifr> I lack the skills to configure it properly!
[12:53] <nalioth> HrdwrBoB: will havta look at that
[12:53] <we2by> ifr, yep
[12:53] <kudzubane> nalioth, attempting to install hoary on ibook, got to partition disks section, but installer isn't aware of the os x partition on the drive, have you encountered this before?
[12:53] <we2by> ifr, it's not permission on my box
[12:53] <nalioth> ifr: dont feel bad, m$ help desk can't configure it properly
[12:53] <we2by> but on the server  with the package
[12:54] <HrdwrBoB> 'Remote Desktop Preferences'
[12:54] <we2by> Fout http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-backports/universe nvu 0.99+1.0pre-1~5.04ubp1
[12:54] <we2by>   401 Authorization Required
[12:54] <nalioth> kudzubane: how did you partition?
[12:54] <nalioth> kudzubane: what tool did you use?
[12:54] <ablyss> sudo apt-get install gnome-intergration ... E: Couldn't find package gnome-intergration
[12:54] <hor> sysrq: Can you tell me, which version of g++ is used then when i compile something?
[12:54] <HrdwrBoB> ablyss: spell it right :)
[12:54] <ifr> HrdwrBoB, sorry, in winxp Home edition would you happen to know where that is?
[12:54] <HrdwrBoB> ifr: oh, to enable rdp?
[12:54] <nalioth> we2by: backports shouldn't be used
[12:54] <nalioth> we2by: they cause system instability
[12:54] <HrdwrBoB> ifr: it's in my computer
[12:54] <HrdwrBoB> right click properties
[12:54] <sysrq> whatever /usr/bin/g++ is linked to
[12:55] <eliot> ablyss: it's not a package
[12:55] <ifr> Great! Would you know if it is possible to use that along with a ssh tunnel
[12:55] <bobbyd> all I want to do is encode a video with 'free' formats. I want ogg for the audio and theora for the video, seems a bit weird I can't do that...
[12:55] <eliot> ablyss: some software such as firefox has it because it has trouble intergrating with gnome
[12:55] <kudzubane> nalioth, 40gb drive, first partition is done using whatever os x uses to partition, gave os x 1/2 of drive, want to install linux on the other 1/2 of drive
[12:55] <HrdwrBoB> ifr: it's already encrypted
[12:55] <ifr> Oh?
[12:55] <ablyss> sudo apt-get install gnome-integration ... E: Couldn't find package gnome-integration either
[12:55] <HrdwrBoB> ifr: it's possible, but there's no need
[12:56] <eliot> ablyss: some software such as firefox has it because it has trouble intergrating with gnome
[12:56] <ifr> Gosh! OKay, this is wonderful. But VNCing into it is possible from Lunix?
[12:56] <ablyss> oh well..'tis good to know
[12:56] <eliot> ablyss: it's not a package
[12:56] <ifr> Er......Linux?
[12:56] <nalioth> kudzubane: did you use OSX Disk Utility (from the osx install cd)?
[12:56] <ablyss> okay
[12:56] <MattS> ifr: of course
[12:56] <DrX> do i need to install a samba server if i want to share my files with a windows computer (over windows file sharing) ?
[12:56] <kudzubane> nalioth, that's it, disk utility
[12:56] <Podz> I have a Belkin 54g and a Netgear wg511. Fresh install sees neither. I've hardwired the machine and have a net connection. what do I do to make ubuntu see and use these wireless nics ?
[12:56] <nalioth> ifr: you can use anything with an ssh tunnel
[12:56] <ifr> Whoooot.
[12:57] <nalioth> kudzubane: you partitioned, installed OSX, and now ubuntu can't see osx?
[12:57] <ifr> So now I just have to get the tunnel going between me and the windows machine which means either having the win user initiate or getting a cheap sshd for the windows achine, right?
[12:57] <kudzubane> nalioth, not at all
[12:57] <ablyss> man, my half & half coffee / vanilla steamer is g o o d
[12:57] <kudzubane> nalioth, can i somehow manually do it via command line (how to I get to a command prompt from installer)?
[12:58] <nalioth> kudzubane: just pick "manually edit partition table"
[12:58] <mhz> has anyone successfully set up a USB snapscan e25 scanner??
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> ifr: not vnc
[12:58] <kudzubane> nalioth, strange, that isn't an option for me
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> ifr: you want 'rdp'
[12:58] <nalioth> ifr: you can use cygwin, as i remember openssh is pretty painless to set up on it
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> using 'rdesktop'
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> it's not VNC, it's better
[12:59] <ifr> HrdwrBob, thanks. I do Have rdesktop. That encrypts for me doesn't it?
[12:59] <nalioth> kudzubane: that is strange. you could try to <ctrl><alt><f3> or something
[12:59] <HrdwrBoB> ifr: yes
[12:59] <ifr> unless I tell it not to!!
[12:59] <ifr> This i great.
[12:59] <HrdwrBoB> ifr: I use freenx and rdp
[12:59] <HrdwrBoB> freenx allows me to use the nomachine.com client in windows
[12:59] <HrdwrBoB> which is free
[12:59] <HrdwrBoB> from anywhere, tunneled over ssh and FAST
[12:59] <HrdwrBoB> rdp is also encrypted and fast
[01:00] <HrdwrBoB> this way I can get to any platform from the other anywhere in the world
[01:00] <kudzubane> I can do the following -> Configure software raid, configure LVM, guided partitioning, Help on partitioning, IDE master (hda) - 40.0 GN blah blah..., undo changes...., finish part. and write changes to disk
[01:00] <mhz> mako: ping from Chile
[01:00] <kudzubane> s/GN/GB/
[01:00] <ifr> HrdwrBob, thank you again. I'll go look those Up. Freenx is the viewer? Fogive me if that' a dense question.
[01:01] <HrdwrBoB> ifr: no that's ok, freenx is the server, nomachine makes the client
[01:01] <HrdwrBoB> nx is the system
[01:01] <HrdwrBoB> freenx is a free implementation of it
[01:01] <ifr> Ah. I think I see. I install freenx on the windows machine, yes?
[01:01] <nalioth> kudzubane: choose the guided partitioning and see if you can manually do it
[01:02] <IIIEars> Nice link "NoMachine" - (linux is closing in on bill Gates from every direction. - lol)
[01:02] <nalioth> y'all are gonna have ifr buzzin into a mad scientist in a minute
[01:02] <ifr> No danger of that nalioth ;)
[01:03] <kudzubane> nalioth, wow, nice segfault
[01:04] <nalioth> kudzubane: is there colored smoke?
[01:04] <GarySaved> I went to the Ubuntu Guide, to see how to install Java, but it said to get sun-j2re1.5 which does not seem to exist.
[01:04] <kudzubane> nalioth, in console, doing a mac-fdisk -l /dev/hda yielded the partition map, however, it list the os x partition as type unknown
[01:05] <JovenComunista> hey gary
[01:05] <JovenComunista> find a script
[01:05] <Trinitrogen> where do I find the wireless applet?
[01:05] <nalioth> kudzubane: and you did use the OSX installer cds "disk utility"?
[01:05] <ifr> GarySaved http://nickselby.com/articles/technology/index.htm?a=1806
[01:05] <kudzubane> nalioth, yes, os x even boots :)
[01:06] <kudzubane> nalioth, did tiger break something?
[01:06] <nalioth> GarySaved: the ubuntuguide sux sometimes
[01:06] <nalioth> GarySaved: go to the ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats and read about it there
[01:06] <kudzubane> nalioth, as far as partition type/fs goes?
[01:06] <ifr> HrdwrBob, thank you again.
[01:06] <yourghetek> how do i install a .deb file from console?
[01:06] <nalioth> kudzubane: that is a good ?. i upgraded tiger on this machine (and it only ate my yaboot)
[01:07] <kudzubane> nalioth, wait
[01:07] <nalioth> yourghetek: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[01:07] <yourghetek> thanks
[01:07] <GarySaved> THey had such a nice cut and paste way that worked before.
[01:08] <we2by> is there a gnome menu editor?
[01:08] <i3dmaster> we2by: yes, I think so
[01:08] <kudzubane> nalioth, given what you said, it might be something i did, i did a fresh install of tiger, and i chose to use HFS+ case-sentitive with journal, perhaps that is why the partition is of an unknown type
[01:08] <Ubuntian> i have a dumb question: mac is unix , so now that it will use intel processors, does that means that mac apps will work on linux?
[01:08] <HrdwrBoB> ifr: no problem!
[01:08] <ubulinux> GarySaved, you can try http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646&page=1&pp=10
[01:08] <HrdwrBoB> ubulinux: no
[01:09] <HrdwrBoB> ubulinux: it DOES mean that emulating a mac in linux will be a lot easier
[01:09] <nalioth> kudzubane: that is the culprit
[01:09] <J35U5> sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[01:09] <kudzubane> nalioth, ugh..... it takes forever to install tiger, perhaps i just dedicated this machine to linux and experimentation
[01:09] <stanna> im a new ubuntu user :)
[01:09] <nalioth> Ubuntian: not unless something radical happens
[01:10] <Ubuntian> like?
[01:10] <nalioth> kudzubane: did you just install tiger?
[01:10] <ifr> If I get this right HrdwrBoB,  I install freenx here and it speaks to the existing windows remote desktop, correct?
[01:10] <kudzubane> nalioth, yes, and it took about an hour of sitting around and being bored
[01:10] <ifr> Welcome, stanna!
[01:10] <stanna> thanks. :)
[01:10] <kudzubane> nalioth, that and some psp gaming mixed in
[01:10] <nalioth> Ubuntian: like linux and darwin becoming closer
[01:10] <stanna> just jumped over from fedora this morning. :)
[01:10] <gianni> hi@all
[01:11] <nalioth> kudzubane: well, all i can say is install osx 10.3 FIRST, then ubuntu
[01:11] <Ubuntian> nalioth, darwin?
[01:11] <gianni> someone could help me?
[01:11] <ifr> Just ask gianni
[01:11] <nalioth> kudzubane: then come back and do the "archive and install" of tiger
[01:11] <mikail> using terminal, how do i copy files from desktop to another folder?
[01:11] <nalioth> Ubuntian: darwin is the unix core of OS X
[01:11] <gianni> ok, the problem is the fix of video resolution for ati 9600 pro
[01:11] <gianni> i read the faq
[01:11] <kudzubane> nalioth, i wonder if anyone has reported this "bug" in mac-fdisk to the maintainers
[01:11] <gianni> but following the instructions
[01:11] <nalioth> mikail: "man cp"
[01:11] <gianni> it doesn't work...
[01:12] <gianni> can someone suggest me what to do?
[01:12] <nalioth> kudzubane: i'm sure they are aware of it, been seeing probs in here for a while
[01:12] <IIIEars> Gawd! - FreeNX is amazing. :)
[01:12] <nalioth> gianni: use vesa
[01:12] <gianni> vesa? what's that? sorry but i'm n44b in linux
[01:12] <Jrwa> hi... I'm a spanish user of Kubuntu Hoary. I've got an annoying problem with my laptop's keyboard. It seems that everytime I press two keys at the same time, one gets 'blocked', repeating itself until I press another one. (Dmesg says 'too many keys pressed')
[01:12] <kudzubane> nalioth, this is a known limitation of mac-fdisk?
[01:12] <gianni> it's the first time that i use it
[01:12] <nalioth> gianni: vesa is a video driver that drives dang near everything
[01:13] <gianni> where i can find it?
[01:13] <Ubuntian> would you say mac switching to intel is good news for linux?
[01:13] <gianni> has it a site?
[01:13] <nalioth> kudzubane: its a known pita re tiger
[01:13] <demc> how do i set up a pcmcia ethernet that won't automatically detect?
[01:13] <Jrwa> And in addition, the text usually lasts a bit until it appears...
[01:13] <nalioth> gianni: hold on a minute
[01:13] <mikail> nalioth: so i type the file destination i want copied then "man cp" then time the destination where i want it to go?
[01:13] <gianni> kk i'll wait thx for ur kindness
[01:13] <ifr> mikail. No. man cp alone gives you the manual entryfor the cp function
[01:14] <ifr> just go to a terminal and type man cp and read!
[01:14] <ifr> ;)
[01:14] <mikail> ok, thank you
[01:14] <makoto> HI all, could someone tell how to enable sound from multiple apps to play simulteanoulsy.  At the moment, one app hogs the sound card and wont share it...Im using KDE
[01:14] <funky> hi
[01:14] <kudzubane> nalioth, how did i miss it in my google searches.... well, thanks for the info, perhaps i'll try slicing up the disk using mac-fdisk FIRST, then perform the tiger install to see if that works
[01:14] <stanna> how do i install apache, php & mysql onto a fresh 'server' install of ubuntu?
[01:14] <nalioth> gianni: read this, and when u are goin thru the dpkg-reconfigure process, choose vesa as your video driver
[01:14] <HrdwrBoB> makoto: #kubuntu
[01:14] <nalioth> gianni: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:14] <we2by> is there a gnome menu editor?
[01:14] <makoto> hrdwrBOB ok
[01:14] <IIIEars> !apache
[01:14] <ubotu> IIIEars: Are you smoking crack?
[01:14] <funky> why linux-package 2.6.12 is in repositories and is not suggested to be upgraded ?
[01:14] <nalioth> mikail: no, you type "man cp" in the terminal to learn how to use the "cp" command
[01:14] <IIIEars> lol
[01:15] <Jrwa> can someone give me a hint of mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmy problem?
[01:15] <gianni> nalioth, which part have i to follow?
[01:15] <ifr> we2by what are you trying to do?
[01:15] <gianni> which solution i mean
[01:15] <nalioth> kudzubane: or do the osx10.3>ubuntu>osx10.4 dance
[01:15] <IIIEars> i'll add it. (how did that get missed?)
[01:15] <we2by> ifr, add an app in the menu
[01:15] <kudzubane> nalioth, sounds painful
[01:15] <nalioth> gianni: the part about dpkg-reconfigure
[01:15] <stanna> confusing. ;)
[01:15] <nalioth> kudzubane: you know you love it
[01:16] <nalioth> we2by: at ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ there are entrys to point u 2 gnome menu editors
[01:16] <gianni> have i to run this script? sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.custom
[01:16] <gianni> sudo sh -c 'md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum'
[01:16] <gianni> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:16] <gianni> ?
[01:16] <gianni> and choose vesa when asked then?
[01:17] <nalioth> gianni: the instructions first line is to protect you if you screw something up
[01:17] <Jrwa> will it be a kernel or a X problemmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
[01:17] <nalioth> gianni: and so is the second line
[01:17] <nalioth> gianni: following those instructions provide you a 'safety net'
[01:18] <nalioth> gianni: when you start dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it will ask you questions about your hardware
[01:18] <gianni> ok i run all :D
[01:19] <Jrwa> well... does somebody know an url where I can get some info about my problem?
[01:19] <gnuyen> Hi guys! I did a clean install of ubuntu hoary
[01:20] <gnuyen> and my usb keys aren't automounting
[01:20] <gnuyen> hal is installed and udev too
[01:20] <raz0rsharp> hey, is there an ubuntu repository that has mysql 4.1.x ?
[01:20] <raz0rsharp> (amd64 btw)
[01:20] <gnuyen> is there any easy way to get them to automount and have a nautilus window open up?
[01:21] <nalioth> raz0rsharp: you might be better off (using amd64) to compile from source
[01:22] <IIIEars> gianni - lspci will give you hardware info.
[01:23] <colphorbin> hey everyone, i have a question about using a DSL connection on ubuntu, anyone care to help a brotha out?
[01:23] <selinium> Hi all, my pc has been running slowly. I could not find anything in System monitor that raised any eyebrows. But i just check what ports were open to the net. 111, 631 and 5900 whare open and i don't know why? Is this normal? Has my serve rbeen hijacked?
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> 5900 is VNC
[01:23] <battlecat> Hello Ubuntu!
[01:23] <LinuxJones> colphorbin, what's up ?
[01:24] <raz0rsharp> nalioth, thx
[01:24] <caonex> I am trying to run apt-get upgrade, but I am getting an error: Reading package lists... Done
[01:24] <caonex> Segmentation faulty tree... 50%
[01:24] <nalioth> selinium: 3 open ports out of 65,000 is pretty good
[01:24] <battlecat> Does anyone have any good suggestions for speeding up GNOME DESKTOP?
[01:24] <selinium> HrdwrBoB: Cheers. I will look into it
[01:24] <djs> Port 631 is CUPS
[01:24] <nalioth> battlecat: KDE?
[01:24] <we2by> I can't findn the gnome editor
[01:24] <we2by> :(
[01:24] <ablyss> i do battlecat
[01:24] <colphorbin> ok, well i set up roamingpenguin and installed the gcc compiler
[01:24] <nalioth> we2by: google "smeg"
[01:24] <selinium> nalioth: still a paranoid ex windows user! :)
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> caonex: it looks like something is seriously broken on your system
[01:25] <battlecat> nalioth I do not see a signifigant increase in application speed on KDE
[01:25] <kudzubane> nalioth, know the partition type of a valid partition is called?
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> caonex: is your hard drive faulty?
[01:25] <nalioth> battlecat: was joking
[01:25] <LinuxJones> colphorbin, do you know if your network card has been detected ok ?
[01:25] <synd> battlecat: use XFCE
[01:25] <jakobbg> Hi. I have to manually click "Activate" my eth1 (wireless) after each boot. What config file can I change to fix this (make it autoenabled)?
[01:25] <caonex> HrdwrBoB, i doubt it, it has been working nicely.
[01:25] <nalioth> kudzubane: valid what partition? linux or osx?
[01:25] <synd> battlecat: and dont listen to nalitoh : )
[01:25] <battlecat> XFCE? Another window manager?
[01:25] <selinium> djs: I've got 631 as IPP ? I don't know what IPP is! :)
[01:25] <stanna> so people, but i dont understand how to install things.. could someone please direct me to an easy to understand link or something on how to setup apache, php & mysql on a fresh install of ubuntu?
[01:25] <kudzubane> nalioth, valid os x parition type, as seen in mac-fdisk under linux
[01:25] <synd> battlecat: yes, its optimized for older hardware
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> caonex: the most likely cause for that error is a hardware fauly
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> fault
[01:25] <caonex> HrdwrBoB, apt-get was working and still does, but when i give it different and some parameters i get that error.
[01:25] <battlecat> Oh I see. synd
[01:25] <colphorbin> during installation, the network detection of DCHP failed, but otherwise i think everything else passed
[01:26] <HrdwrBoB> caonex: what parameters then
[01:26] <colphorbin> as far as i know
[01:26] <caonex> HrdwrBoB, upgrade and -f install
[01:26] <ablyss> battlecat, try this little nautilus tweak " gconftool-2 -t bool -s /apps/metacity/general/reduced_resources true " it turns of displaing window contect while resizing and moving
[01:26] <caonex> HrdwrBoB, if i dod just apt-get update, it works
[01:26] <synd> battlecat: usually for gnome to run at an optimal speed, one needs a Pentium 3 w/ at least 256MB RAM
[01:26] <ablyss> displaing/displaying
[01:26] <battlecat> synd will XFCE carry over my taskbar/panel icons
[01:26] <gianni> nalioth, just done, it wasn't a problem of driver, it was a problem with the monitor
[01:26] <synd> battlecat: no
[01:26] <LinuxJones> colphorbin, first you have to make sure that Ubuntu has support build in for your network card. Open a terminal and type sudo network-admin (enter your users password)
[01:26] <HrdwrBoB> caonex: your installed packages library may be stuffed
[01:26] <caonex> HrdwrBoB, which is what i find weird.
[01:27] <synd> battlecat: xfce is a whole new ballgame
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> update does not touch that
[01:27] <nalioth> gianni: great! now you know the problem exactly
[01:27] <battlecat> Ahh I have the minimal for gnome.
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> upgrade does
[01:27] <caonex> HrdwrBoB, as in full?
[01:27] <djs> selinium: Internet Printing Protocol (IIRC)
[01:27] <synd> battlecat: but worth it
[01:27] <ablyss> kicker runs fine in xfce
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> caonex: no, as in broken
[01:27] <caonex> HrdwrBoB, how can i fix it?
[01:27] <battlecat> In fact GNOME runs fine but I have to say my winXP on a lower end machine runs far faster
[01:27] <ablyss> blah
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> caonex: in most cases a reinstall is easier
[01:28] <caonex> HrdwrBoB, reinstall apt?
[01:28] <battlecat> ablyss where did you get that tweak?
[01:28] <ablyss> battlecat, some guy in #gnome
[01:28] <selinium> djs: Thanks! It is really difficult to look up acronyms sometimes!
[01:28] <HrdwrBoB> caonex: no
[01:28] <HrdwrBoB> .. the whole system
[01:28] <ablyss> i save all the good stuff
[01:28] <synd> battlecat: you may want to ask people in #gnome how to speed it up
[01:28] <Eddie> hi guys
[01:29] <battlecat> ahh did it work for you?
[01:29] <nalioth> selinium: you mean like TLAs and FLAs?
[01:29] <battlecat> Yeah that is a good idea synd
[01:29] <battlecat> Ill try that now.
[01:29] <ablyss> battlecat, yes
[01:29] <gianni> nalioth, ok, another question: here just 4 learn, i have many version of the driver https://support.ati.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=3380
[01:29] <gianni> which i should select to take the right driver for ubuntu?
[01:29] <selinium> nalioth!: LOL Exactly!
[01:29] <Eddie> do USB modems work with ubuntu?
[01:29] <mdke> does anyone know what the command for gnome screensaver is?
[01:30] <colphorbin> ok, it recognizes my ehternet card
[01:30] <nalioth> gianni: i have a few clients on ubuntu with radeon cards, and i have them all using vesa
[01:30] <colphorbin> though it is not configured
[01:30] <Eddie> Im going to get an ethernet one soon but I cant afford it yet
[01:30] <stanna> sweet. i got something to install :)
[01:30] <ablyss> i think it's xscreensaver, but not sure
[01:31] <mdke> oh shit
[01:31] <mdke> sorry
[01:31] <mdke> does anyone know what the command for gnome SCREENSHOT is?
[01:31] <mdke> ablyss, appreciate it, my bad
[01:31] <ablyss> gnome-screenshot
[01:31] <battlecat> Ok here is a tough one. I was using SHAREAZA on WinXP. Is there a comparable alternative.
[01:31] <battlecat> for linux
[01:31] <gianni> nalioth, but following the instruction you linked me, it didn't ask me about vesa, i just edited the allowed monitor res.
[01:31] <mdke> ablyss, sure?
[01:31] <synd> battlecat: id use gtk-gnutella
[01:31] <LinuxJones> colphorbin, ok you should try running sudo pppoeconf
[01:31] <nalioth> battlecat: what protocol does that thing use?
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> mdke: why not just test it
[01:32] <ablyss> most all your user commands can be located by opening the Shell and type "ls /usr/bin/*<query>*
[01:32] <synd> battlecat: limewire is junk
[01:32] <nalioth> gianni: ok. is your monitor working well?
[01:32] <mdke> HrdwrBoB, if it is, i don't have it installed
[01:32] <Rockett17> yeah gtk-gnutella is good
[01:32] <gianni> nalioth, now yes...
[01:32] <nalioth> gianni: so if it aint broke, don't fix it
[01:32] <battlecat> SHAREAZA used eDonkey, GNUtella1 & 2
[01:32] <mdke> HrdwrBoB, also, i'm not on ubuntu right now
[01:32] <ablyss> or by opening the the shell and typing "locate *<query>
[01:32] <synd> battlecat: then youre good with gtk-gnutella
[01:32] <nalioth> battlecat: gtk-gnutella
[01:32] <selinium> LinuxJones: I am following this network-admin thing, as it is something I don't know. My system is fine. Is it a bad idea to pppoeconf?
[01:33] <abarbaccia> hey all - is there a linux program to make like slideshows using pictures, music, transitions, and save them to a DVD or something?
[01:33] <synd> abarbaccia: i know a good OS X app for that : )
[01:33] <nalioth> synd: he didnt ask OSX
[01:33] <abarbaccia> open source
[01:33] <abarbaccia> ?
[01:33] <nalioth> synd: behave
[01:33] <mdke> HrdwrBoB, so is that right?
[01:33] <LinuxJones> selinium, he has a dsl modem and has to set up his account to access the internet.
[01:33] <synd> nalioth: bahh
[01:33] <gianni> ok, but isn't it like in winzoz that sometimes newer drivers upgrade a little bit the performance?
[01:33] <battlecat> ok Ill try that.
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> mdke: yes
[01:34] <nalioth> gianni: in linux, if its working fine, some people NEVER upgrade their stuff
[01:34] <mdke> HrdwrBoB, do you know which package its in?
[01:34] <synd> nalioth: any exp with crossover office?
[01:34] <colphorbin> i am at the office right now linuxjones, i have my laptop sitting beside my work PC
[01:34] <colphorbin> i am not connected to my modem
[01:34] <nalioth> synd: nope. i don't like winduhs first-hand, why would i want to eXPerience it via emulation?
[01:34] <battlecat> Has anyone experiemented with alternative browsers other than Firefox or Opera?
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> gnome-utils: /usr/bin/gnome-screenshot
[01:34] <selinium> LinuxJones: I have a cable modem, which I am connected through, so I had better not play around, but i have put the sudo network-admin thing in my tips doc! :)
[01:34] <synd> nalioth: i know i know. i just want to run iTunes.
[01:35] <caonex> HrdwrBoB, so i should reinstall ubuntu
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> and yes, I'm sure :)
[01:35] <mdke> HrdwrBoB, great thanks
[01:35] <LinuxJones> colphorbin, you will have to configure your dsl connection with that command. Just follow the prompts and enter the information that your ISP gave your.
[01:35] <mdke> HrdwrBoB, aww don't be like that
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> caonex: that looks like it would be the easiest option
[01:35] <gianni> nalioth, the filosophy is if someting works don't touch it? ^_^
[01:35] <mdke> HrdwrBoB, but thanks anyway
[01:35] <nalioth> gianni: yes that is it
[01:35] <caonex> HrdwrBoB, i did not want to do that.
[01:35] <demc> Can anyone help me figure out how to get my pcmcia ethernet to work? i got nothing right now, dhcp failed on install, but cardctl picks up my card
[01:35] <caonex> HrdwrBoB, the computer that is giving me this is across the network.
[01:35] <LinuxJones> selinium, network-admin is a tool for setting up your hardware/network settings... works quite well for most :)
[01:35] <gianni> nalioth, now more n44b questions
[01:36] <nalioth> gianni: this is not windows. it will take some time to get the "this is how windows works" out of your head
[01:36] <caonex> HrdwrBoB, i cant go locally to it
[01:36] <colphorbin> is that pretty much it? i have all that info... roamingpenquin was useless wasn't it?
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> demc: if your card is detected, simply set it up in system->configuration->networking
[01:37] <LinuxJones> colphorbin, pppoeconf works for alot of folks :)
[01:37] <HrdwrBoB> caonex: I'm not 100% on what the problem is, I'm sure it's fixable, it's just a matter of time and expertise
[01:37] <gianni> how can i install something, i mean, looking around, i noticed that a lot of software ask about nix version, x86 - x86-64 etc
[01:37] <nalioth> gianni: use synaptic
[01:37] <demc> HrdwrBob: you'll have to forgive me, i'm new on this, and when i open up my system config editor i have no options for networking
[01:37] <nalioth> gianni: you can search available software using synaptic
[01:37] <battlecat> Does that GTK-Gnutella have a client interface?
[01:38] <nalioth> battlecat: yes
[01:38] <gianni> nalioth, ok i opened it, where have i to look?
[01:38] <HrdwrBoB> demc: the menus at the top, system,administration, networking
[01:38] <colphorbin> haha I KNEW IT! oh well, i'll just have to do it right this time around. hey thanks alot jonesy, i appreciate you rescueing me out of this pickle -phorb
[01:39] <nalioth> gianni: along the left side are section headings, you pick from them or just start reading from the top
[01:39] <nalioth> gianni: you can also use the "search" button at the top
[01:39] <demc> oh yeah, i've been to that, but it's set as 'not configured'
[01:39] <caonex> HrdwrBoB, Segmentation faulty tree, that suggest me that there is a problem with /var/cache/apt
[01:39] <gianni> ok, i see, i can find packages but the version of ubuntu
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> caonex: you can use 'strace' (if you have it installed or can copy it in) to figure out what it's vaguely doing when it's crashing
[01:39] <gianni> i can't understan, i'm soo ignorant ^^
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> caonex: that's unlikely, it's more likely a problem with the dpkg database
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> or it would have crashed on updating
[01:40] <nalioth> gianni: synaptic is a frontend to your package manager "apt-get"
[01:40] <battlecat> Im Starting to like the Epiphany browser. Its so much faster.
[01:40] <nalioth> gianni: synaptic allows you to search and learn about all available software
[01:40] <demc> HrdwrBob: it's set as not configured, and i'm not sure what to do, because dhcp fails every time
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> demc: configure it :)
[01:40] <crossbar> whats the windows emulator called now?
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> demc: do you have DHCP?
[01:40] <crossbar> cgwin?
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> crossbar: erm
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> crossbar: there is no 'windows emulator'
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> there is wine
[01:41] <crossbar> no i think wine has a new name...
[01:41] <gianni> but if i find a software and it ask me which ver u have? like x86 or x86-64 what i have to choose?
[01:41] <crossbar> ill google it :P
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> no it doesn't
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> winex has a new name
[01:41] <Eddie> lol
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> which is cedega
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> that's specifically for games
[01:41] <crossbar> oh right on
[01:41] <battlecat> Wine has a new name? Oh god I wonder if they switched to beer?
[01:42] <dydimustk> mmmmmm beeer
[01:42] <demc> HrdwrBob: i don't set a static ip on any of my machines... the setup seems to hang on "activating device eth0"
[01:42] <crossbar> brb din din for me
[01:43] <andrewski> are the users/networking/etc. admin tools specific to ubuntu?
[01:43] <crimsun> nope, they're available in gnome
[01:43] <andrewski> crimsun: hi. :)  do you know what they're called?
[01:43] <battlecat> Anyone have a good suggestion for games on Ubuntu? I mean I can only handle so many versions of solitare
[01:44] <demc> try Abuse, i think i noticed that in a package list, great oldschool sidescrolling shooter
[01:44] <MattS> battlecat: www.nexuiz.com
[01:44] <battlecat> Kool
[01:44] <battlecat> Ill try both
[01:44] <demc> I set up my eth0, but it takes so long I don't think it can be working... in the network devices it sets my hardware address and basically everything else as 'not available'
[01:44] <LinuxJones> battlecat, frozen-bubble :)
[01:45] <LinuxJones> battlecat, beware it's extremely addictive
[01:45] <nalioth> gianni: what kind of hardware do you have?
[01:45] <crimsun> andrewski: not off the top of my head, but you can use dpkg -S <some file> to figure out which ones
[01:45] <MattS> the link i gave you is an actual game... not a 2d card game
[01:45] <battlecat> 'Ive had frozen bubble here before. Removed it cause I got nothing else done
[01:45] <shido> how do you get the ati remote to work under ubuntu
[01:45] <shido> to work as a mouse
[01:45] <andrewski> crimsun: i'm not in ubuntu ATM.  (you know what this means: i got arch working. :)
[01:45] <MattS> andrewski: arch linux?
[01:46] <stanna> how do i restart a daemon in ubuntu after i have changed settings? (in console) no X installed
[01:46] <andrewski> MattS: yup
[01:46] <LinuxJones> battlecat, heh
[01:46] <crimsun> andrewski: then you can use packages.ubuntu.com
[01:46] <demc> cardinfo says my ethernet is eth0 and working, so i don't know what the issue is
[01:46] <MattS> andrewski: i prefer arch over ubuntu any day.. i'm just trying ubuntu for experimenting :)
[01:46] <andrewski> crimsun: ah, true.  thanks.
[01:46] <stanna> example, i want to restart apache
[01:46] <battlecat> I can even still hear the FB music oh darn that is cause I have it on Cd
[01:46] <andrewski> MattS: well, i do today, but this is my first. :)
[01:54] <IIIEars> poor sterling suffered a coronary.
[01:54] <eneph> umm quick question, can anyone help me understand how root works with ubuntu
[01:54] <crimsun> eneph: please see the topic RE: root :)
[01:54] <eneph> k
[01:54] <MattS> eneph: its setup to only be usable by sudo.... i just did sudo passwd and used root :)
[01:55] <IIIEars> Sure it is the "Super User Do command" it is a slightly more secure alternative to a known name acct. "root"
[01:55] <IIIEars> more info here if you would like
[01:55] <MattS> i beg to differ. its probably less secure, if someone compromises your account, then they have access to root
[01:56] <IIIEars> !rootsudo
[01:56] <ubotu> I heard rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:56] <mjr> MattS, I beg to differ; if somebody compromises your account (you being the admin), they can access root the next time you "su" anyway
[01:57] <MattS> yes. but only if you su. they cannot just jump to root unless the person makes the password the same
[01:57] <stanna> looks like im getting somewhere. this ubuntu isnt too bad :)
[01:57] <mjr> MattS, incidentally, compromising an account and getting its password aren't the same
[01:57] <stanna> nice change from fedora thats for sure!
[01:58] <Rockett17> ubuntu rox your sox
[01:58] <mjr> and it's not like the admin user is unlikely to ever use "su"
[01:58] <stanna> so far soo good :)
[01:58] <MattS> mjr: an account is compromised if the password is found
[01:58] <mjr> MattS, indeed, but if the account is compromised, it is not implied that the password has been found
[01:58] <MattS> of course
[01:59] <MattS> but compromising the account allows the person to passwd it. then sudo
[01:59] <mjr> bzzt
[01:59] <necro23> My pcmcia ethernet is still being super fussy, ie, not functioning. anyone have any tips on how to get it set up? i know the hardware works fine
[01:59] <MattS> so therefore. if your account is compromised.. root is automatically compromised under this system
[01:59] <MattS> which is why its stupid.
[01:59] <Church_of_FoamY> anyone here use point2play? with ubuntu?
[02:00] <mjr> MattS, you can't generally change the password unless you know it already, you know
[02:00] <_stealth> can some1 help me reinstall GRUB?
[02:00] <mjr> and still, without sudo, you're likely to use su quite often enough for an attacker to lay in wait
[02:00] <_stealth> i just installed Win2k and now its gone >_<
[02:00] <IIIEars> Still though you have to admit this is home computing not enterprise, LIDS, NoExec, Tripwire, little kernel  module support.
[02:01] <mjr> IIIEars, and that too
[02:01] <Stealth870> im trying the UBuntu install disc in rscue mde
[02:01] <Church_of_FoamY> anyone here use point2play? with ubuntu?
[02:01] <Stealth870> but am unsure how to use it
[02:02] <mjr> MattS, anyway, sure, disable sudo and add a root pw if you like, but calling the sudo method plain "stupid" is just, well, that
[02:02] <todd_> word
[02:02] <IIIEars> Do you think someone is hitting freenode with their XP zombie network?
[02:02] <nalioth> Stealth870: find a grub tutorial using google
[02:02] <todd_> anybody know why i don't get any sound from flash in firefox?
[02:02] <MattS> mjr: sudo was never designed to be a full replacement of the root account
[02:02] <nalioth> Stealth870: then chroot into your boxed ubuntu and fix it
[02:03] <mjr> MattS, irrelevant
[02:03] <MattS> no. quite relevant
[02:03] <HrdwrBoB> MattS: windows was never designed to be a multi user operating system
[02:03] <HrdwrBoB> SMTP was never designed for large scale worldwide implementation
[02:03] <mjr> Linux was designed to be a terminal emulator
[02:03] <MattS> HrdwrBoB: that is irrelevant
[02:03] <MattS> HrdwrBoB: and it still isn't, whats your point?
[02:04] <debugger> hi
[02:04] <IIIEars> talk about root V. sudo always gets emotional. next hour gnome V. kde. tommorow linux V. windows. - grin
[02:04] <makoto> Question has anyone used this NTFS writer app?  I read it can be slow...Just how slow? http://freshmeat.net/projects/captive/
[02:04] <nalioth> IIIEars: not to forget vi vs emacs
[02:04] <HrdwrBoB> nalioth: who uses emacs?
[02:04] <mjr> IIIEars, yah, seems that some people just are incapable of looking at different sides of the issue
[02:04] <debugger> why does unbunu have inetd running by default?  it doesn't seem to launch any daemon, thou...
[02:04] <IIIEars> sorry nalioth - i missed that. - won't happen again.
[02:05] <MattS> it doesn't matter anyways. i uninstalled ubuntu and put freebsd back on the box
[02:05] <nalioth> makoto: just realize that writing (in any fashion) to NTFS can destroy your NTFS data
[02:05] <nalioth> HrdwrBoB: i dont use either, but synd forgot a prime flame instigator
[02:05] <crimsun> debugger: neither default Warty nor Hoary enable inetd
[02:05] <HrdwrBoB> nalioth: no, not with the captive driver
[02:05] <debugger> crimsun, humm, why do I have it running then?
[02:05] <HrdwrBoB> that' the whole point :)
[02:06] <debugger> crimsun, I just installed ubuntu, using the "server" option on the bootable cd.
[02:06] <makoto> nalioth, Really?  So the only real solution is to convert to fat32?
[02:06] <nalioth> HrdwrBoB: so if NTFS r/w has finally been solved, why isnt the fix more widespread?
[02:06] <_Kevin> i love streamturner + stream rip
[02:06] <crimsun> debugger: oh, server
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> nalioth: because it's not open source
[02:06] <crimsun> debugger: desktop (normal) definitely doesn't enable it
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> nalioth: 'captive' it's a wrapper around the windows drivers
[02:06] <nalioth> makoto: i install/repair lots of clients. I ALWAYS install win<whatever> on fat32
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> it's like mplayer using the windows codecs
[02:06] <_Kevin> you need the windows ntfs driver to write properly to ntfs in linux
[02:06] <debugger> crimsun, so why "server" has it?  it doesn't lauch anything..
[02:06] <makoto> nalioth,
[02:06] <nalioth> makoto: HrdwrBoB most of my clients dont need the fancy filesystem perks of NTFS
[02:07] <makoto> nalioth, can I convert without data loss?
[02:07] <crimsun> debugger: not my ballpark
[02:07] <nalioth> makoto: the others are saying that captiva is ok
[02:07] <IIIEars> nalioth - is there a link to forcing OEM install to FAT32?
[02:07] <debugger> crimsun, if I simulate a erase, it will try to remove: at* mailx* mutt* netbase* netkit-inetd* postfix* postfix-tls* ppp* pppconfig* pppoeconf*
[02:07] <debugger>   telnet* ubuntu-base*
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> I have not personally used captive
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> however I have heard that it works
[02:07] <nalioth> makoto: and partition magic is the only way i know to convert, and i would still back up stuff
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> I can't comment on speed though
[02:07] <debugger> crimsun, NB: ubuntu-base is in there!
[02:08] <nalioth> IIIEars: i'm sure there is
[02:08] <makoto> nalioth, hmm I was trying to avoid having to backup 60G of data
[02:08] <IIIEars> nalioth - Thanks :)
[02:08] <nalioth> makoto: well read what HrdwrBoB has said
[02:08] <debugger> crimsun, I find it harder to beleive that you don't have the inetd package installed :|
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> converting is fraught with danger
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> better to copy data around
[02:09] <crimsun> debugger: I didn't say I don't have it installed
[02:09] <anto9us> IIIEars: only just caught this conversation, you mean a windows oem install?
[02:09] <debugger> crimsun, oh, sorry, you said you didn't have it enabled :/
[02:10] <makoto> HrdwrBoB, ok ill copy the master drive and format
[02:10] <ubuntu-prism> is there someone who can assist me with the installatino of my wireless card? i don't know where to begin
[02:10] <debugger> crimsun, anyways, can you check it?  eg: ps ax|grep inetd ?
[02:10] <nalioth> IIIEars: i'm sure there are switches that can be used
[02:10] <ice_1963> hoe can i install nvidia driver in sarge 3.1 ?????
[02:10] <demc> i'm stuck a pcmcia card too, but wired :(
[02:10] <crimsun> debugger: hmm, I don't have it enabled
[02:11] <Church_of_FoamY> anyone here use cedega/point2play?
[02:11] <makoto> HrdwrBoB, can I format to fat32 without partition magic?  Is there a terminal commad?
[02:11] <crimsun> debugger: I believe I manually checked, though
[02:11] <debugger> crimsun, how do you enable/disable it?
[02:11] <Church_of_FoamY> ??
[02:11] <debugger> crimsun, I did it with: update-rc.d -f inetd remove   is the the right thing to do?
[02:11] <crimsun> debugger: yep
[02:12] <mjr> makoto, mkfs.vfat
[02:12] <nalioth> makoto: there is no way
[02:12] <marsh> the apt repos AND the unnoficial apt repos for ubuntu fail to include id3lib? is this a political thing?
[02:12] <nalioth> makoto: to convert from NTFS to fat32 other than partition magic (that i know of)
[02:13] <makoto> nalioth, mjr seems to think otherwise
[02:13] <agent> I added another hard drive to my system ,  and put it in /etc/fstab..  It shows up fine in df and is mounted.. Problem is it doesn't show up in the Computer on the places menu in Gnome... How do I make it so it shows up there?
[02:13] <crimsun> marsh: it's in main.
[02:13] <nalioth> makoto: i am purty stupid about a lot of this
[02:13] <crimsun> marsh: i.e., apt-cache policy libid3-3.8.3
[02:13] <mjr> makoto, oh, hm, if you want to convert, that won't cut it, but it seemed that now you want to just format (or make a filesystem, rather)
[02:13] <nalioth> mjr: mkfs.vfat is destructive, i presume?
[02:13] <makoto> nalioth, can't be as nooby as I am
[02:13] <mjr> nalioth, yes, it is
[02:13] <thoreauputic> marsh: your sources are incomplete
[02:14] <marsh> wassa apt-cache?
[02:14] <thoreauputic> peter@prospero:~$ apt-cache search  id3lib
[02:14] <thoreauputic> python-id3lib - id3lib wrapper for Python - dummy package
[02:14] <nalioth> makoto: mkfs.vfat will wipe your NTFS partition and turn it into fat32
[02:14] <makoto> mjr, yeah i'd rather not have to but I think I have not choice but to format
[02:14] <nalioth> makoto: you may do the same thing by reinstlaling windohs and choosing the fat filesytem during install
[02:14] <marsh> and what makes you say my sources are incomplete (sorry - a bit noob to it, but tend to grasp it quick (honest!)
[02:14] <IIIEars> makoto - partition magic may be good enough to save data as it converts? - the linux disk utils can resize/convert with data loss. qtparted is the best of them i think.
[02:14] <nalioth> nalioth: thereby removing one step
[02:15] <makoto> mjr, is there no part of the command that specifies fat32 and not fat16?
[02:15] <nalioth> IIIEars: partition magic does save data as it converts (if you have enough empty space)
[02:15] <LinuxJones> agent, what folder is the disk mounted to ?
[02:15] <thoreauputic> marsh: I think you need universe and multiverse enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.liet
[02:15] <agent> LinuxJones, /backup
[02:15] <IIIEars> nalioth - nice feature.
[02:15] <mjr> makoto, it determines it automatically, though you can spesify it manually too; man mkfs.vfat
[02:15] <mjr> makoto, -F 32 in this case
[02:16] <crimsun> marsh: you can install the 'libid3-3.8.3' package from the main repository
[02:16] <marsh> thoreauputic, as far as i know, i have, but i was calling it id3lib - crimsun called it libid3??!
[02:16] <mjr> makoto, hm, actually, it seems that it won't automatically make fat32, so you actually need the -F 32; my bad
[02:16] <LinuxJones> agent, it should be under Filesystem /backup
[02:16] <marsh> invalid operation policy, crimsun
[02:16] <thoreauputic> libid3-3.8.3-dev - ID3 Tag Library: Development Libraries and Header Files  < this is another hit i get
[02:16] <crimsun> marsh: it's apt-cache, not apt-get
[02:16] <crimsun> marsh: gotta read carefully :)
[02:17] <marsh> whats policy all about - aint seem anything written about that?
[02:17] <crimsun> man apt-cache
[02:17] <crimsun> it's one of the most useful package tools
[02:17] <makoto> mjr, ok thanks last question.  Im new to terminal commads,.  I assume I will also have to specify which drive. Now Linux doesn't seem to use letter like windos does.  The drive used to be D:  what would be the complete command?
[02:18] <thoreauputic> marsh: a debian thing - see http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/index.html#contents
[02:18] <marsh> crimsun,  - good point!
[02:18] <agent> LinuxJones, I don't see a folder called Filesystem ?
[02:18] <nalioth> makoto: use the "mount" command by itself in a terminal
[02:19] <marsh> ok - i go read...
[02:19] <marsh> thanks thoreauputic, crimsun
[02:19] <mjr> makoto, there's no straightforward way to convert that; I would _guess_ it'd be mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/hda5, but don't do that until you're sure it actually is that
[02:19] <LinuxJones> agent, Places >> Computer
[02:19] <bobbyd> can I get xvidcap from somewhere in ubuntu?
[02:19] <thoreauputic> marsh: you might wnt to do ` sudo apt-get install apt-howto ` as well
[02:19] <HrdwrBoB> makoto: drive letters are essentially psuedo random
[02:19] <HrdwrBoB> makoto: and can change
[02:20] <agent> LinuxJones, It's not detecing it there.. How am I supposed to mount it there.. THere is no directory called /places?
[02:20] <mjr> makoto,makoto see fdisk -l /dev/hda and try to identify the correct partition
[02:20] <agent> LinuxJones, It's not showing up in PLaces / Computer
[02:20] <HrdwrBoB> makoto: linux uses devices based on where it's plugged in
[02:20] <marsh> thoreauputic, on it's way - that could be a help...
[02:20] <marsh> y
[02:20] <LinuxJones> agent, there is no Places >> Computer >> Filesystem ?
[02:21] <mjr> makoto, (you need to do that with sudo)
[02:21] <makoto> mjr, its called Hdb1...
[02:21] <agent> LinuxJones, There is.  But the drive is not showing up in there
[02:21] <mjr> righto
[02:21] <makoto> so  mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/hdb1 should do it?
[02:22] <mjr> makoto, yep, should, if you're sure that's the one :)
[02:22] <LinuxJones> agent, what partition type(s) are you using ?
[02:22] <makoto> mjr, lets hope so
[02:22] <makoto> mjr, : )
[02:22] <mjr> makoto, (it's the first partition of your primary slave disk)
[02:23] <makoto> HrdwrBoB, mjr thanks for the help !
[02:23] <mjr> sure, sleep now
[02:23] <makoto> mjr, thats right first and only
[02:23] <mjr> makoto, good, go for it then
[02:23] <HrdwrBoB> makoto: no problem, glad to help
[02:24] <makoto> mjr, sweet, But first i have to copy 60G of data.  The fun never ends
[02:24] <mjr> yah, that's always fun
[02:24] <spartas> okay, who knows what about X and Breezy?
[02:24] <nalioth> makoto: its an excuse for you to go and buy one of those new 500gb drives from seagate or maxtor
[02:24] <nalioth> spartas: breezy is broke until it says "release candidate" in its name
[02:25] <makoto> nalioth, right, now I just need to run that by my wife, Im sure she'll have a good laugh
[02:25] <spartas> nalioth, that's a good month or so before release
[02:25] <nalioth> makoto: share half with her
[02:25] <IIIEars> makoto - check out "Mondo" Backup for linux later. - it will create install isos of your configured system.
[02:26] <makoto> IIIEars, thats sounds nice, I can't imagine how many cd's that would require though
[02:26] <makoto> IIIEars, I will look it up
[02:26] <debugger> you guys have this running: "dd bs 1 if /proc/kmsg of /var/run/klogd/kmsg"? known what executes this command?
[02:28] <pfp> debugger: yep. probably part of sysklogd
[02:28] <IIIEars> debugger interesting. :)
[02:29] <IIIEars> odd command to be running all the time saw it last night too.
[02:29] <todd_> hrm. i'm having some trouble with firefox. namely, i get no sound from flash, and the mplayer pluging just downloads the file and sits there.
[02:29] <pfp> hmm, is there a way to put a "tail -f" (or an xterm) on the root window in gnome?
[02:31] <pfp> the dd command probably has to do with transmitting kernel logs to klogd, judging by the file names
[02:31] <nalioth> pfp: isnt that called "root-tail" and is it a pkg?
[02:32] <pfp> nalioth: root-tail didn't work; i think nautilus is osbcuring the "real" root window
[02:32] <pfp> also, xsetroot doesn't clear the background like it used to w/ eg. fvwm
[02:33] <nalioth> pfp: ah
[02:33] <makoto> mjr,   what would this commmand format my drive to? (Found googling) mke2fs -j /dev/hdb1
[02:34] <thoreauputic> mako: ext2 + journal (ext3 )
[02:34] <IIIEars> makoto - make extension 2 journaling filesystem?
[02:34] <thoreauputic> oops
[02:35] <thoreauputic> makoto: bad tab complete ^^^ sorry
[02:35] <makoto> So a linux type drive.  Unreadable by windows right?
[02:35] <thoreauputic> right
[02:35] <makoto> thoreauputic, np, i understood
[02:35] <IIIEars> hm - "RATH"
[02:36] <makoto> thoreauputic, im gonna go for fat32 then
[02:36] <makoto> any problem with fat32 and Linux?
[02:36] <IIIEars> makoto NONE
[02:36] <sproingie> fat is its own problem
[02:36] <makoto> problem = problems
[02:36] <makoto> good point
[02:36] <makoto> aside from that
[02:36] <nalioth> makoto: not linux and hfs/hfs+ (osx filesystem)
[02:37] <sproingie> linux's support is basically flawless
[02:37] <thoreauputic> makoto: you can read/write fat32 , but it's a horrible file system
[02:37] <Amaranth> fat32 doesn't support unicode filenames
[02:37] <sproingie> performance with fat is wretched
[02:37] <makoto> aarrgg
[02:37] <IIIEars> It's an excellent way to store d/l files on a dualboot system.
[02:37] <Amaranth> and doens't support as many non-letter characters in filenames either
[02:37] <nalioth> makoto: go ahead and use fat32
[02:37] <nalioth> makoto: just dont keep any linux-system-critical stuff on it
[02:37] <Amaranth> and fat32 fragments files
[02:37] <Amaranth> and is slow
[02:38] <Amaranth> i could go on
[02:38] <makoto> No im doubting
[02:38] <sproingie> qemu for win32 may be able to read cloop devices
[02:38] <nalioth> Amaranth: thoreauputic sproingie yes fat32 sux
[02:38] <sproingie> which should let you put any filesystem you want
[02:38] <sproingie> not that it'll integrate well, but it'll be able to network back to the host
[02:39] <pfp> Amaranth: "man mount" says ' Long filenames are stored on disk in Unicode format.' for FAT
[02:39] <pfp> ie. vfat
[02:39] <sproingie> generally speaking fat32 == vfat
[02:39] <sproingie> the fat driver in linux certainly implies vfat
[02:40] <pfp> yep
[02:40] <eruin> can't totem save streams?
[02:40] <nalioth> eruin: streamripper
[02:40] <eruin> thanks nalioth :)
[02:40] <nalioth> eruin: mmsclient
[02:40] <debugger> hummm, the scripts from /etc/init.d/ don't have a "status" argument, why??
[02:41] <IIIEars> eruin - dunno but streamtuner/streamripper does
[02:41] <eruin> nalioth, not in repos ?
[02:42] <jkezar> what is the command again to start ubuntu's xserver configuration: dpkg-reconfigure xserver?
[02:42] <makoto> Ok here's what Im worried about, lets says I reinstall windows on the master and the slave with all my data is a linux journaling file system.  Will I be able to at least read the slave drive through windows, copy the files from the slave to the master and reformat the slave to a windows format?
[02:42] <IIIEars> communitty supported universe
[02:42] <pfp> jkezar: add -p low, to get all questions
[02:42] <Amaranth> jkezar: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:42] <eruin> IIIEars, streamtuner/streamripper is just for audio, right?
[02:42] <jkezar> Amaranth: thanks!
[02:42] <nalioth> eruin: which one?
[02:43] <nalioth> eruin: have you enabled universe and multiverse?
[02:43] <IIIEars> yes - though it does have a streambrowser - 100's of stations
[02:43] <eruin> nalioth, yeah... the mmsclient one
[02:43] <eruin> nalioth, that's exactly what I was looking for :)
[02:43] <marsh> alright - back again... none of the documentation i've found tells me which apps are created to use when i install a pkg? I got libid3, but what are the commands it supplies?
[02:43] <nalioth> eruin: you may have to google mmsclient and build it yourself
[02:44] <pfp> makoto: you can read ext2 / ext3 drives in windows with "explore2fs", but it seemed very slow when i once tested it
[02:44] <eruin> kk
[02:44] <nalioth> eruin: or search using synaptic
[02:44] <crimsun> marsh: it's a library, it doesn't provide a binary you can execute
[02:44] <IIIEars> nalioth - help the lazy (me) what is the plugin that names and splices streamtuner recordings?
[02:44] <pfp> makoto: ext3 == ext2 + journaling
[02:44] <makoto> pfp, as long as I can read it and copy the stuff to the main drive im happy
[02:44] <nalioth> IIIEars: have no clue, cuz i don't do that
[02:44] <eruin> nalioth, ah, it has been renamed to mimms
[02:45] <nalioth> eruin: mimms is a fork of mmsclient
[02:45] <pfp> makoto: it will be _slow_... why can't you format it to vfat?
[02:45] <marsh> but with id3lib (fc)- i got id3tag, id3info etc, etc...
[02:45] <nalioth> eruin: but it works the same way
[02:45] <marsh> sorry gents - i dont quite understand - i do understand library, but I wanna get tag info to use in scripts, and i cant find them?
[02:45] <makoto> pfp, I dont know what vfat is
[02:45] <Razor-X> how do find out my already-ALSA-detected soundcard's buffer size?
[02:45] <eruin> http://lists.debian.org/debian-wnpp/2003/12/msg00267.html
[02:45] <marsh> apt-cache search id3
[02:45] <funky> i cant compile a kernel, it says that i havent gcc, but its false
[02:46] <marsh> Oh, sorry...
[02:46] <pfp> makoto: vfat and fat32 are practically the same - a simple filesystem that's compatible between m$ and linux
[02:47] <Razor-X> errr... ahmmm... how can I find out the buffer size of my ALSA detected card?
[02:47] <makoto> pfp, ok.  Well people here seem to think fat32 pretty much poop.  That was the original plan but now I am doubting
[02:47] <bobbyd> how do I install a .deb package?
[02:48] <jkezar> I know my card can do 1152x864 at a depth of 16.  How do I troubleshoot why ubuntu resorts to 800x600.  dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg was successful, I told it it had better capabilities, bit it resorted to 800x600 after a logout
[02:48] <makoto> pfp, does vfat support long file neames?
[02:48] <makoto> pfp, names even
[02:48] <Razor-X> ahhh, nevermind, my problem's solved ;)
[02:48] <IIIEars> makoto - Fat32 is okay. - it isn't as good as linux no journaling (eighties technology for M$)
[02:49] <Razor-X> errr, wait, it's not solved ;)
[02:49] <crimsun> Razor-X: cat /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc
[02:49] <pfp> makoto: using fat32/vfat (especially for a temporary backup like i understood you are doing) is IMO the best solution for sharing partitions between windows<->linux
[02:49] <Razor-X> crimsun: thanks
[02:50] <nalioth> makoto: you can have a windoze partition of fat32 and it will work with your linux well
[02:50] <Razor-X> crimsun: hmmm, that's a pretty small buffer size...
[02:50] <makoto> IIIEars, journaling means the drive writes the data in a buffer zone before writting it on the proper loaction in case of a crash right?
[02:50] <pfp> makoto: yep, vfat was actually microsofts answer to long file names, a kind of kludge that enables LFNs on FAT systems
[02:50] <IIIEars> Excactly
[02:50] <nalioth> makoto: yes seomthing like that
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> makoto: no
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> makoto: it write the meta data to a buffer zone
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> your data integrity is not safeguarded
[02:51] <makoto> HrdwrBoB, thats kind of what i meant
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> your filesystem integrity is
[02:51] <Razor-X> crimsun: not what I was looking for
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> makoto: I know, but it's a siginficant difference :)
[02:51] <makoto> HrdwrBoB, oh i see
[02:51] <pfp> unless data is journalled too :)
[02:51] <makoto> HrdwrBoB, yes i see what you mean
[02:53] <makoto> pfp,  so the command would be mkfs.vfat  /dev/hdb1 or still mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/hdb1?
[02:53] <pfp> makoto: the latter, you need -F 32 if it's a big drive
[02:53] <IIIEars> wondering if makoto's next hurdle will be grub - how do you pipe fdisk - l to a text?
[02:54] <makoto> pfp, ok thanks
[02:54] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: just rdirect it to a file with > or >> filename
[02:54] <thoreauputic> *redirect
[02:54] <IIIEars> Cool
[02:54] <makoto> IIIEars, I heard of this grub thingy.... what is it?
[02:54] <Razor-X> makoto: bootloader
[02:55] <makoto> meaning the drive might not mount
[02:55] <makoto> ?
[02:55] <Razor-X> wait, what're you looking to do?
[02:55] <Razor-X> create a Windows partition?
[02:55] <makoto> format a slave drive to fat32
[02:55] <pfp> makoto: grub doesn't affect mounting, np there
[02:56] <Razor-X> then, why would you need GRUB?
[02:56] <Razor-X> @ IIIEars
[02:56] <IIIEars> It accepts the pointer from the first 446 bytes of the hard disk and displays a choice of operating systems to load.
[02:56] <makoto> : ) I don't even know what grub is.  IIIEars said it might be trouble ...
[02:57] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: id the drive isn't bootable, you can just mount it
[02:57] <IIIEars> the first 446 bytes are the master boot record.
[02:57] <Razor-X> IIIEars: but makoto isn't installing an OS
[02:57] <xdamage> hey, I've set up my wireless pcmcia card so that it connects to the AP, and the AP even reads it as connected, but I can't even ping. The network Tools screen says the device has an ipv6 address, which I don't think is possible, what can I try?
[02:57] <Razor-X> plus, GRUB is pretty easy to configure
[02:57] <marsh> cheers gents, thoreauputic, crimsun ;)
[02:57] <IIIEars> Okay - clear now. - ;)
[02:57] <marsh> mp3info was what i was after (i think). Well... it does what i want anyways.
[02:57] <IIIEars> !grub
[02:57] <ubotu> IIIEars: I haven't a clue
[02:57] <makoto> hehe thanks for looking out for me tough IIIears.  Better safe than sorry
[02:58] <Razor-X> I still need a command to output my soundcard's buffer_size
[02:58] <marsh> and I'm a happy man again... ;)
[02:58] <Razor-X> wait... I'm being addled here
[02:58] <Razor-X> ignore me
[02:58] <Razor-X> or, ignore my statement about buffer_size
[02:58] <Razor-X> ;)
[02:59] <xdamage> how do I disable ipv6?
[02:59] <crimsun> Razor-X: um, how is 64kb small?!
[02:59] <crimsun> (that's what my value is)
[03:00] <LikesHisLunch> Hello. Has anyone managed to get mail merge from data source to work in OpenOffice in Ubuntu Hoary?
[03:00] <Razor-X> crimsun: sorry, I was thinking about something else
[03:00] <crimsun> np
[03:02] <david> hey
[03:02] <Razor-X> hmmm, another question
[03:02] <david> does anyknow know the differences between OSS ESD and ALSA?
[03:02] <timo_> :)
[03:02] <crimsun> david: esd is a sound daemon that can use oss or alsa.
[03:02] <colphorbin> can anyone help me out with the mozilla bug?
[03:02] <Razor-X> are there any ALSA quirks I need to know when writing up an .asoundrc for a Intel 82801BA/BAM?
[03:03] <crimsun> Razor-X: not really, if you use the latest version (1.0.9a or 1.0.9b)
[03:03] <Razor-X> crimsun: odd
[03:03] <Razor-X> I'm basically stabbing at getting dmix working
[03:04] <Razor-X> and, the basic dmix works
[03:04] <colphorbin> where can i find general.useragent.vendorSub, or about:config for that matter?
[03:04] <crimsun> plug:dmix should work
[03:04] <Razor-X> but when I create a virtual device of type dmix, it doesen't
[03:04] <Razor-X> crimsun: ahh, but the buffer_size of the default is too small
[03:04] <thoreauputic> colphorbin: type about:config in your browser
[03:04] <Razor-X> and, for that, I have to custom make a virtual device, am I correct?
[03:05] <thoreauputic> colphorbin: in the URL field, of course
[03:05] <crimsun> Razor-X: no, you can echo the size directly to the proc device I mentioned above
[03:05] <colphorbin> lol
[03:05] <crimsun> Razor-X: remember the value is in kb
[03:05] <IIIEars> 1grub
[03:05] <IIIEars> !grub
[03:05] <ubotu> rumour has it, grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[03:05] <thoreauputic> colphorbin: got it :) ?
[03:06] <Razor-X> crimsun: ahhh!
[03:06] <xdamage> can someone help em run through some network troublshooting?
[03:07] <colphorbin> completely, done and done... thanks brah
[03:07] <IIIEars> xdamage?
[03:07] <xdamage> yes?
[03:07] <IIIEars> question?
[03:07] <Razor-X> crimsun: I get a sample format non available error
[03:07] <xdamage> I've set up my wireless pcmcia card so that it connects to the AP, and the AP even reads it as connected, but I can't even ping. The network Tools screen says the device has an ipv6 address, which I don't think is possible, what can I try?
[03:07] <david> crimsun, so when does it use either one, and what's the dif between oss and alsa?
[03:08] <crimsun> Razor-X: you do need to tell it the sample format
[03:08] <Razor-X> what's the command for that?
[03:08] <crimsun> david: by default, in warty and hoary, esd uses alsa's oss emulation device /dev/dsp
[03:08] <crimsun> Razor-X: you specify that in ~/.asoundrc
[03:08] <IIIEars> uhoh - 6th week with linux - almost sorry i asked - lol
[03:08] <david> crimsun, is that alsa or oss then?
[03:08] <crimsun> david: it's alsa
[03:08] <david> crimsun, ohh ty
[03:08] <david> crimsun, should i have that selected as default output then, esd?
[03:09] <crimsun> david: the actual device /dev/dsp, however, is oss
[03:09] <Razor-X> crimsun: but, what's the command to describe sample_format?
[03:09] <xdamage> lol
[03:09] <crimsun> david: if you use esd, yes
[03:09] <david> crimsun, oohhh
[03:09] <crimsun> Razor-X: you might want to read alsa.opensrc.org's dmix section
[03:09] <Razor-X> mmmkay
[03:09] <david> crimsun, so keeping it on ESD is the way to go?
[03:09] <Azmarael> Hmm... someone able to help me install nvidia video driver? Im stuck with trying to get the kernel files the installer thing wants...
[03:09] <xdamage> how does one disable ipv6?
[03:10] <crimsun> david: for default compatibility, yes
[03:10] <david> crimsun thanks
[03:10] <Razor-X> I rad it, actually
[03:10] <Razor-X> *read
[03:10] <crimsun> david: some people get better performance with direct alsa, though
[03:10] <crimsun> Razor-X: the sample format and rate is described on that web site, heh
[03:10] <crimsun> s/is/are/
[03:10] <crimsun> Azmarael: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:10] <makoto> HrdwrBoB, sorry to bother you again.  I modified a "how to" with the commands yo guys gave me to help me with my formating.  Could you give it a quick look if you don't mind and tell me if it looks ok? : http://rafb.net/paste/results/2WHOcf20.html
[03:11] <iBuntu> i think im gonna go back to os x
[03:11] <HrdwrBoB> makoto: yeah I'll have a look
[03:11] <Azmarael> Thanks crimsun, Im just trawling the wiki now
[03:11] <makoto> HrdwrBoB, thanks!
[03:11] <thoreauputic> iBuntu: don't give in to the Dark Side, Luke ! ;)
[03:12] <HrdwrBoB> makoto: you should show the 'mount' output before
[03:12] <Shuddertrix> Use mol :P
[03:12] <HrdwrBoB> and also explain what 'hdb1' is
[03:12] <iBuntu> this laptop doesnt have enough space
[03:13] <Trinitrogen> how do I tell which kernel I am running?
[03:13] <thoreauputic> Trinitrogen: uname -r
[03:13] <mpm> wow... I just uncovered the hugeness of my ~/.thumbnails folder!!! which application created this monstrous cache??
[03:13] <makoto> HrdwrBoB, ? I (I intalled lInux 2 days ago, super noob here)  You mean enter mount to make sure I have the right drive?
[03:14] <HrdwrBoB> yeah before you do it
[03:14] <nmorse> Okay, guys, I followed the BinaryDriverHowto and I still have no DRI
[03:14] <HrdwrBoB> so you can see what stuff is where
[03:14] <pestilence> mpm: perhaps nautilus?
[03:14] <xdamage> can anyone help me turn off ipv6?
[03:14] <makoto> HrdwrBoB, right] 
[03:15] <dydimustk> can I make keyboard shortcuts?
[03:15] <ramblingturtle23> ? where is grub config file
[03:15] <^thehatsrule^> xdamage, #ipv6 has links?
[03:15] <Razor-X> crimsun: hmmm, I can't find a list of format strings
[03:15] <makoto> HrdwrBoB, here it is http://rafb.net/paste/results/d23HQg13.html  i think its right
[03:15] <thoreauputic> ramblingturtle23: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:15] <xdamage> ^thehatsrule^: I don't understand
[03:16] <ramblingturtle23> thoreauputic: thanks
[03:16] <nmorse> Do I need to completely turn off the Direct Rendering Manager in the kernel and recompile (ATI drivers)?
[03:16] <^thehatsrule^> its a channel xdamage ;p
[03:16] <mpm> Can anyone with experience recommend what to backup if I'm going to do a reinstall after using Ubuntu for 5 1/2 months?  I'm mostly just making a backup of everything in my home directory... what Might I forget to backup?  (I'm doing this to try and purge some bugginess I suspect may have something to do with some mistakes I've made along the way
[03:17] <xdamage> ^thehatsrule^: thanks
[03:17] <Trinitrogen> where can I get a copy of the kernel source? Im at kernel.org and when I click it, i just get the changelog
[03:17] <pestilence> mpm: /home /etc and /var would be a good start
[03:17] <nalioth> mpm: if you've compiled anything you want to keep, dont forget it
[03:17] <nmorse> God, this is why I left Debian
[03:17] <nmorse> Never could get the ATI drivers to work on Debian
[03:17] <thoreauputic> Trinitrogen: search for linux-source in synaptic
[03:18] <prazelone> ha ah thts so unl33t
[03:18] <prazelone> he eh
[03:19] <pestilence> mpm: but when you restore, you don't neccessarily need to restore /etc and /var.  they are great to have lying around, though.
[03:19] <Trinitrogen> sorry, it occurs to me how dumb that question was
[03:19] <IIIEars> where was that quiet cornrer - going to take a nap. - lol
[03:19] <thoreauputic> Trinitrogen: or type apt-cache search linux-source
[03:19] <mpm> pestilence: have you done what I'm doing before?
[03:19] <Trinitrogen> Yeah, Im using apt-get to download it right now, where does it store it on my local machine?
[03:20] <pestilence> mpm: reinstalled the OS?  plenty of times :)  every time my laptop has to go back to gateway for a repair, in fact
[03:20] <thoreauputic> Trinitrogen: hmm.... run dpkg -L | package name to see the files a package installs
[03:20] <thoreauputic> xdamage: it's usual to ask
[03:21] <mpm> so backing up all of the hidden '.folders' in home dir would follow the same logic (wouldn't drop into the new install, but nice to have around) right?
[03:21] <Razor-X> ok then, i'll pigeonhole my ALSA tweeaking
[03:21] <Razor-X> but, why isn't cplay working?
[03:21] <nmorse> Duh, stupid me
[03:21] <colphorbin> ok can anyone tell me how the hell you install a them into firefox?
[03:21] <nmorse> I don't have nvidia-agp loaded as a module
[03:21] <crimsun> Razor-X: is esd running?
[03:21] <nmorse> and it's set it to use the external agpgart
[03:22] <Razor-X> crimsun: yeah
[03:22] <Razor-X> *tweaking
[03:22] <tweakism> eh?
[03:22] <pestilence> mpm: well, i always restore those, but if what you're looking for is that "factory fresh" feeling, i guess have at it
[03:22] <tweakism> oh.  :P
[03:22] <pestilence> you don't need to reinstall to delete those, though :)
[03:22] <colphorbin> anyone wanna help a newb out?
[03:23] <prazelone> mwa ha ha
[03:23] <pestilence> colphorbin: sure.  i'll start.  read the topic ;)
[03:23] <thoreauputic> xdamage: if you have a reason for persisting with your dcc chat requests, please explain ? Or ask your questions in the channel
[03:23] <tweakism> pestilence: heh.
[03:23] <ablyss> does watching the womens network channel make me less a man?
[03:23] <mpm> pestilence: so how do you do the homedir backup?  tarball everything?  does that include the hidden files?
[03:24] <tweakism> ablyss: not always.
[03:24] <azrael> Aww crap... Seems linux doesnt like my dvd burner :o(
[03:24] <ablyss> kewl
[03:24] <tweakism> does me being gay make me less of a man?
[03:24] <pestilence> mpm: i prefer rdiff-backup, but you could do a tar cvf home.tar /home
[03:24] <colphorbin> yeah, sorry, i am running ubuntu... but i guess that doesn't matter
[03:24] <unifi> does anyone know of any good python tutorials so I can begin to write programs for ubuntu?
[03:24] <colphorbin> thanks anyway
[03:24] <ablyss> not always :P
[03:24] <pestilence> mpm: that *should* work.
[03:25] <mpm> rdiff? pestilence (goes to google that)
[03:25] <pestilence> it may cough on some sockets, but i don't think it will choke
[03:25] <pestilence> mpm: it's rdiff-backup
[03:25] <pestilence> and you can apt-get install it
[03:25] <Razor-X> errrr, crimsun
[03:25] <Razor-X> no it's not, my mistake ;0
[03:25] <Razor-X> *;)
[03:25] <thoreauputic> colphorbin: what are you trying to do/install?
[03:26] <nalioth> azrael: cdrecord-prodvd
[03:26] <pestilence> colphorbin: i was referring to "Have a question? Just ask!"
[03:26] <azrael> nalioth, hey what now?
[03:26] <nalioth> azrael: ya mentioned something about your dvd
[03:27] <azrael> Ah, yeah. Im just trying to install the nvidia driver and had to read from the cd. CD threw up all sorts of errors.
[03:27] <Razor-X> crimsun: I don't think Kubuntu uses ESD
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> probably uses arts
[03:27] <Razor-X> yeah
[03:28] <Razor-X> but, why doesen't cplay work?
[03:28] <colphorbin> i am trying to install a theme, and i haven't quite gotten the whole linux process yet, so for me its alittle difficult
[03:29] <Trinitrogen> im having trouble compiling the software to get on my schools vpn. It asks me where I have the kernel source and tell it, then it tries to make module and i get Making module
[03:29] <Trinitrogen> make -C /usr/share/doc/linux-source-2.6.10 SUBDIRS=/home/trinitrogen/vpnclient modules
[03:29] <Trinitrogen> make[1] : Entering directory `/usr/share/doc/linux-source-2.6.10'
[03:29] <Trinitrogen> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop.
[03:29] <pestilence> colphorbin: a theme for ubuntu?
[03:29] <pestilence> colphorbin: or for a specific software
[03:29] <outlier> Can ubuntu's installer resize a winXP home partition so I can set up a dual-boot?
[03:29] <Trinitrogen> i don't understand what it means
[03:29] <azrael> outlier,  not as far as I saw
[03:29] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> outlier: no
[03:29] <colphorbin> no a theme for firefox - later for ubuntu
[03:29] <azrael> I used partition magic for that.
[03:30] <Trinitrogen> outlier: I used knoppix
[03:30] <mpm> pestilence: thanks for the rdiff-backup tip, I'm reading the man page now... any favorite combo of flags you could show me?
[03:30] <wawa> Hi guys
[03:30] <pestilence> mpm: not really.  sometimes i will have it ignore caches and whatnot
[03:30] <imaek> Yay! A friend I've been trying to get to switch to Linux for like 970245475 years is finally installing Hoary right now!
[03:30] <Trinitrogen> outlier: comes with qtparted, run it off a root console and you can resize ntfs partitions really easily. Just defrag and chkdisk first
[03:30] <wawa> Is there anyway to write to ntfs partition from linux?
[03:30] <pestilence> mpm: but if i'm feeling lazy, i'll just let it go to town
[03:31] <Shuddertrix> Safely, no.
[03:31] <pestilence> mpm: and lately i've been very lazy :)
[03:31] <desrt> wawa; you can do it safely if you use captive ntfs
[03:31] <pestilence> mpm: it's a great tool for doing daily backups
[03:31] <wawa> desrt: What is that?
[03:31] <desrt> wawa; http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[03:31] <Razor-X> outlier: maybe, depends on the fragmentation of your HDD
[03:31] <mpm> pestilence: you ever tie it to a cron?
[03:31] <outlier> Thanks, Trinitrogen - I'll give it a whirl.
[03:31] <wawa> desrt: Cheers, I am checing it out
[03:32] <pestilence> mpm: absolutely
[03:32] <azrael> crimsun, I tried the wiki page but my cd-rom threw up some errors. The nvidia installer wants to know where the kernel source files are located. Any chance you (or someone else) could help?
[03:32] <Razor-X> doesen't always work, trust me
[03:32] <Razor-X> I had to go through hell and high-water to get my NTFS partition to resize
[03:32] <Razor-X> but, resize it did, and Ubuntu was a breeze to install after that
[03:32] <pestilence> colphorbin: i've never done firefox themes.  but i wouldn't think it'd be that difficult
[03:32] <outlier> Razor-X: Brand new disk - only done a bit of deleting and minor web browsing so far.  I'll defrag anyway though.
[03:33] <Razor-X> outlier: then, i'ld think it would be pretty easy
[03:33] <mpm> so the basic syntax is just like cp or whatever, and it _will_ grab all the hidden files right?  I can do it to an external hdd by just typing $ rmdiff-backup /home/mpm  /media/usbdisk/backup right?
[03:33] <pestilence> arrrrgh
[03:33] <pestilence> http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/upgrade/?application=firefox/
[03:33] <pestilence> that is totally stupid
[03:33] <Razor-X> pestilence: that's because Firefox is stupid ;)
[03:33] <mpm> pestilence: you can change your version in about:config
[03:33] <colphorbin> pestilence: yeah i dunno how it installed but it did, oh well
[03:34] <outlier> Razor-X: great.  Thanks for the advice.
[03:34] <pestilence> mpm: i'm too lazy to do that.
[03:34] <mpm> Setting general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4 in about:config seems to let me > access addons.mozilla.org
[03:34] <mpm> copied from the bugpage
[03:34] <occy> any OOo users here (spreadsheet Gods?)
[03:35] <thoreauputic> pestilence: it will take you all of 5 seconds
[03:35] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:35] <pestilence> mpm: since they know about the bug, they should let ubuntu users click through
[03:35] <wawa> Has anyone tried using captive ntfs?
[03:35] <pestilence> thoreauputic: yea, but i don't really care if i can install themes ;)
[03:35] <occy> need to figure out how to get A1-A200(more?) to be filled with dates.
[03:35] <occy> A1 = June 8th, 2005
[03:35] <mpm> extensions what do it for me
[03:35] <occy> A2 = June 9th, 2005
[03:35] <occy> etc
[03:35] <pestilence> fine.  i did it.
[03:35] <wawa> I just want to be sure its a safe way to go
[03:36] <calc> occy: hi! :)
[03:36] <occy> calc, hi
[03:36] <mpm> so pestilence $ rmdiff-backup /home/mpm  /media/usbdisk/backup will work?
[03:36] <calc> occy: hows the running? :)
[03:37] <occy> calc: heh, http://fitgeek.org/node/view/225
[03:37] <pestilence> rmdiff-backup sounds risky :-D
[03:37] <pestilence> mpm: but yes, that should do it
[03:38] <calc> occy: sounds fun ;)
[03:38] <mpm> lol
[03:38] <occy> calc heh...
[03:38] <occy> meh... tired of beating my head against the wall with open office
[03:38] <occy> bbl
[03:38] <calc> occy: be careful about those fluids
[03:38] <occy> calc: I try...
[03:38] <occy> :)
[03:38] <calc> i hear people recently have started OD'ing on water
[03:38] <ramblingturtle23> ? i update kernel today and now when i boot something call Ubuntu, kernel memtest86+ show up anybody no why this is there
[03:39] <Razor-X> kickarse!
[03:39] <pestilence> colphorbin: so you've installed the theme, you just don' tknow how to switch to it?
[03:39] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: that is for testing your memory
[03:39] <calc> i don't recall the medical term basically you lose to much salt (iirc)
[03:39] <bradd> could someone help me with a nautilus problem, please?
[03:40] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: mmmm?
[03:40] <thoreauputic> bradd: just ask :)
[03:40] <calc> hmm a full ironman sounds insane
[03:40] <xMaximex> why root-tail doesn't show anything ?
[03:40] <Razor-X> cplay is my new Audio Player ;)
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: memtest runs tests on your RAM to check if it's faulty
[03:40] <bradd> How do I make sure that it always opens with --no-desktop --browser
[03:40] <thoreauputic> bradd: someone will help if they can
[03:40] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: ok, ok ;)
[03:41] <pestilence> bradd: you could try replacing the executable with a shell script that called it in that way.
[03:41] <azrael> How can I extract the Linux Kernel Source files from the tar.bz2 file its all in currently?
[03:41] <pestilence> bradd: that would be the quick-and-dirty solution
[03:41] <thoreauputic> bradd: the "browser" option is under edit - prefs - behaviour
[03:42] <bradd> that's what I was thinking... I've edited my firefox symlink before because of renderaccel issues
[03:42] <bradd> I was just curious if there was a better way
[03:42] <pestilence> bradd: there probably is a more official way...see thoreauputic's advice
[03:43] <thoreauputic> bradd: there's also a gnome setting somewhere for " nautilus draws dektop" or similar that can be disabled
[03:43] <thoreauputic> *desktop
[03:43] <thoreauputic> I'm in fluxbox, or I'd look...
[03:44] <esqueleto> hello people ??
[03:44] <thoreauputic> bradd: if you can bear gconf-editor, have a look in there
[03:45] <esqueleto> I have some problems upgrading my Ubuntu ...
[03:45] <esqueleto> when i try to upgrade I get this
[03:45] <esqueleto> The following packages have been kept back:
[03:45] <esqueleto>   libgdiplus libglade-cil libglib-cil libgnome-cil libgtk-cil
[03:46] <esqueleto> I've try to upgrade one of the packege
[03:46] <Curlydave> hi everybody!
[03:46] <Curlydave> sup?!?!1 :)
[03:46] <Curlydave> anyhow
[03:46] <esqueleto> I get this
[03:46] <esqueleto> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:46] <esqueleto>   libgdiplus: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[03:46] <esqueleto>               Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[03:46] <esqueleto> how can i upgrade the system ??
[03:46] <Curlydave> does anyone else get staticky sound output?
[03:46] <zazeem> anyone have point2play i can have?? i lost my installer
[03:46] <wawa> I have same problem with libc6
[03:46] <esqueleto> removing the libc6 ... many essential will be removed from the sistem
[03:47] <sysrq> zazeem: that would be illegal
[03:47] <esqueleto> how can we resolve this??
[03:47] <zazeem> but i lost mine :/
[03:47] <sysrq> zazeem: that is your problem, go ask transgaming. You wasted your money paying them in the first place.
[03:47] <thoreauputic> esqueleto: I'm guessing you have third-party sources in your list
[03:47] <wawa> Its Debian sources
[03:47] <zazeem> ?
[03:47] <thoreauputic> esqueleto: like Marillat or similar
[03:47] <esqueleto> and ??
[03:48] <bradd> ha!, found it in gconf.  Thanks thoreauputic
[03:48] <thoreauputic> wawa: don't mix Debian sources with Ubuntu
[03:48] <fr500> hello
[03:48] <esqueleto> I had to installl something.. then I include this sources..
[03:48] <fr500> do you know of any program that can batch rename files in an especific format
[03:48] <r0bby> i used debian sources for the mingw cross compiler
[03:48] <wawa> thoreauputic: so i have to comment them when doing upgrade?
[03:48] <esqueleto> how can I resolve now the system ??
[03:48] <thoreauputic> esqueleto: so comment out that source now
[03:49] <bradd> what is the damage in using debian sources vs ubuntu?
[03:49] <thoreauputic> and apt-get update
[03:49] <esqueleto> it's commentes
[03:49] <thoreauputic> bradd: debian sid is a moving target - Ubuntu has a 6 month stable period
[03:50] <thoreauputic> bradd: thus you can get conflicts using debian sources
[03:50] <kvidell> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=194471&postcount=5 Read this before using the Marillat repositories.
[03:50] <wawa> I think there will be package conflicts if using poth
[03:50] <wawa> *both
[03:50] <thoreauputic> wawa: right
[03:51] <wawa> But why they are there at the first place?
[03:51] <kvidell> read that forum post for information on why marillat exists, and why it's best not to use it :-P
[03:51] <thoreauputic> wawa: they aren't - unless you add them yourself
[03:51] <Sero> crimsun, are you there?
[03:51] <esqueleto> thoreauputic, I've comment all the 3 party repositories .. and now my system is updated ...
[03:52] <esqueleto> how can it be ??
[03:52] <thoreauputic> esqueleto: because of versioning differences
[03:52] <thoreauputic> esqueleto: the extra sources confuse the system
[03:52] <wawa> thoreauputic: Yeah probably I did, I dont remember though
[03:53] <ramblingturtle23> ? ubuntu use DevFs or uDev by default with grub install
[03:53] <esqueleto> humm
[03:53] <r0bby> :P
[03:53] <thoreauputic> esqueleto: if the 3rd party sources are updated, apt thinks you need new ones, but the ubuntu list doesn't include the dependencies for them
[03:54] <esqueleto> good ...
[03:55] <esqueleto> I was looking to this..
[03:55] <esqueleto> because I'm trying to install beagle (CVS version) and he need a new automake
[03:56] <thoreauputic> esqueleto: if you are trying to install beagle, you are on your own: it isn't part of hoary at all
[03:57] <esqueleto> I know... but there is any new version of automake ??
[03:57] <pestilence> esqueleto: you might look into a little utility called "epkg"
[03:58] <pestilence> esqueleto: and then install a new automake by hand in /usr/local/encap (then epkg -i automake)
[03:58] <pestilence> esqueleto: of course, i mean /usr/local/encap/automake-v.er.sion
[03:58] <thoreauputic> esqueleto: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryBeagleInstallHowto
[03:59] <Hobbz> Anyone know if Openbox and smeg work without any issues?
[03:59] <Hobbz> oops
[03:59] <Hobbz> forgive me guys
[03:59] <thoreauputic> Hobbz: amaranth would know
[04:00] <Amaranth> Does openbox follow the fd.o menu spec?
[04:00] <Hobbz> Thanks Thoreauputic
[04:00] <Hobbz> I'll have to check
[04:00] <esqueleto> I was try to follow that tutorial before this error
[04:00] <esqueleto> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:00] <esqueleto>   libmono-dev: Depends: libmono0 (= 1.0.5-1) but 1.1.7-0ubuntu4~5.04ubp1 is to be installed
[04:01] <esqueleto> now i get this try to install all the package thet ask .
[04:01] <esqueleto> everytime ... this errors
[04:01] <Amaranth> you're kidding me
[04:01] <Amaranth> backports have mono but not libmono-dev?
[04:01] <Amaranth> backports aren't even supposed to have mono, that's crack
[04:01] <thoreauputic> esqueleto: http://beaglewiki.org/index.php/UbuntuInstall << another way perhaps?
[04:02] <kvidell> I think he mixed repos, amaranth
[04:02] <thoreauputic> he did
[04:02] <Amaranth> ok..
[04:02] <esqueleto> i think too .. and I'm try to resolve this ..
[04:02] <esqueleto> S:
[04:02] <esqueleto> :s
[04:02] <Amaranth> you should have the official backports repositories and possibly the backports ones
[04:02] <Amaranth> any more and you're asking for trouble that we can't solve
[04:02] <matjan_> hello, i have a question..... is it hard to install all necessary for using dsl to be on the internet?
[04:03] <Amaranth> matjan_: Is it a USB modem?
[04:03] <fossa> hi
[04:03] <esqueleto> Amaranth, I've removed the libmono0 ... and try to install mono again ... maybe now will have no problem
[04:03] <matjan_> no it;sd not, it's internal.... i have no NIC
[04:04] <Amaranth> internal and you have no nic? err
[04:04] <Amaranth> oh, you mean you plug a phone line right into the card?
[04:04] <crimsun> Sero: what sort of problems are you having?
[04:04] <Amaranth> you should try the live cd first
[04:04] <matjan_> amaranth: yes, that's it
[04:05] <kvidell> was Tardus taken?
[04:05] <Amaranth> matjan_: Try using the live cd first, but to make sure it's supported.
[04:05] <eneph> when ever i do sudo passwd root in order to use root it asks me for a password
[04:05] <Amaranth> err, just to make sure
[04:05] <matjan_> ok.... and if that doesn't work?
[04:05] <Amaranth> eneph: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:06] <eneph> k
[04:06] <Amaranth> matjan_: Not a whole lot we can do.
[04:06] <Tardis> I had relogin.  I got kicked so I used my back up <hobbz> then logged back in as tardis
[04:06] <fossa> i'm mounting my windows ntfs partitions. i'd like them to be read, write but they are read-only
[04:06] <thoreauputic> eneph: because that's the command to set a root password :)
[04:06] <matjan_> no?
[04:06] <thoreauputic> fossa: that's right
[04:07] <fossa> /dev/hda1       /mnt/hda1       ntfs    defaults,auto,uid=1001,gid=1001 0      0
[04:07] <thoreauputic> fossa: write to ntfs isn't supported
[04:07] <fossa> that's my fstab entry. how do i .... oh.
[04:07] <Amaranth> matjan_: Unless the people who make your modem have provided linux drivers you just have to hope it works with the live cd.
[04:07] <kvidell> well it is... you just can't write new files. You can only write over files with another file of the exact same bit length.
[04:07] <kvidell> not really useful.
[04:07] <fossa> how then can i transfer files from linux to windows? have a partition formatted fat32 just for transfers?
[04:07] <matjan_> amaranth: what about this ADSL/PPPoE Client (RP-PPPoE)?
[04:08] <kvidell> fossa: I belive that's how most people do it, yes.
[04:08] <fossa> fiddlesticks.
[04:08] <thoreauputic> fossa: that's tha usual workaround, yes
[04:08] <r0bby> fossa, you can READ
[04:08] <fossa> is there something in ubuntu linux equivalent to partition magic? :-)
[04:08] <r0bby> just not write :P
[04:08] <Amaranth> fossa: gparted
[04:08] <r0bby> if you're going from windows to linux
[04:08] <matjan_> would that be sufficient?
[04:09] <fossa> ok ill look into that.
[04:09] <eneph> wow im so confused..i read the manual and it said if you want to enable root to be logged into type "sudo passwd root" and when i do that it asks for a password What the fuck am i dong wrong
[04:09] <fossa> your initial root passwd is the same passwd you set the first account to
[04:10] <kvidell> sudo wants YOUR user password
[04:10] <HrdwrBoB> no it's not
[04:10] <thoreauputic> eneph: every time you run that command you are asking for a new root password
[04:10] <fossa> i have another question. what is the default boot manager for ubuntu?
[04:10] <HrdwrBoB> fossa: grub
[04:10] <kvidell> so when you type sudo passwd root, the first time it says "password: ?" it wants YOUR USER PASSWORD. The second two times will be for ROOT's new password.
[04:10] <eneph> i just tried and it says " sean is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported"
[04:10] <kvidell> however, if yo uwant a root terminal/shell, you can always just type sudo -s -H
[04:11] <kvidell> ... what was the first account you created?
[04:11] <kvidell> during setup
[04:11] <eneph> i just want to run synaptic
[04:11] <pestilence> eneph: it has to be the account you created during install
[04:11] <eneph> i made sean
[04:11] <thoreauputic> eneph: did you use an "expert" or 'server" install option?
[04:11] <eneph> at the install the first user i did was "sean"
[04:12] <eneph> i just pressed enter, i didnt do any peramitters
[04:12] <eneph> i dont think it was server
[04:12] <thoreauputic> then sean should be in sudoers
[04:12] <thoreauputic> unless you edited something
[04:12] <mhz> Hello... has anyone successfully set up a USB snapscan e25 scanner??
[04:12] <mhz> or any USB scanner
[04:12] <eneph> no i didnt =\
[04:13] <eneph> so do i need to reinstall or somthing?
[04:13] <razorback> is there anyway to reformat your hd with ubuntu?
[04:13] <kvidell> hm
[04:14] <kvidell> thoreauputic: If he boots Single User it should dump him in to a root console and he can visudo from there, right?
[04:14] <thoreauputic> kvidell: right
[04:14] <razorback> ?
[04:14] <razorback> explain please
[04:15] <pestilence> razorback: they weren't talking to you
[04:15] <thoreauputic> kvidell: he can choose " rescue" mode or whatever it's called
[04:15] <razorback> oh ok
[04:15] <kvidell> I've never been able to get in to a "rescue mode"
[04:15] <kvidell> ...
[04:15] <kvidell> well...
[04:15] <crimsun> Sero: ?
[04:15] <kvidell> hopefully eneph's solve works for razorback :-D lol
[04:15] <pestilence> damn impatient bastards :)
[04:16] <fidget> hello does anyone know what port aim and msn use?
[04:17] <kvidell> eneph: if something better isn't come up with, my suggestion is this: reboot your system and at grub, hit "esc", then go to the kernel you usually boot and hit "e" then arrow down to the "KERNEL" line and tap "e" again. Arrow to the end of the line, add a space and type the word single  then hit your "enter" key and press the b key. After a minimal boot up you should be presented with a ROOT terminal. Be very careful. Two things to
[04:18] <thoreauputic> kvidell: too late - he left
[04:18] <kvidell> he did?
[04:18] <thoreauputic> yup
[04:18] <pestilence> hahaha
[04:18] <kvidell> I don't see it but I'll trust ya
[04:18] <pestilence> that's 2
[04:18] <thoreauputic> * eneph has quit ("Leaving")
[04:18] <kvidell> oh I see it
[04:18] <kvidell> oh wel :-\
[04:19] <deadcat> how can i install the linux-wlan-ng driver using the current kernel?
[04:19] <deadcat> i notice modprobe -l |grep prism shows prism2_usb
[04:19] <imaek> Hi
[04:19] <imaek> How can I find my "modem port" (Dialup) if autodetect doesn't work?
[04:19] <pestilence> kvidell: regardless, "Recovery mode" (in the default grub menu for ubuntu) has the keyword "single" in it.
[04:20] <pestilence> so, it's much simpler to just say, hit esc, click down to "Recovery Mode" and hit enter
[04:20] <thoreauputic> imaek: if it's a serial modem. it will almost certainly be either /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyS1
[04:20] <kvidell> oh
[04:20] <kvidell> that's ~never~ been in my grub list
[04:20] <kvidell> :-\
[04:20] <pestilence> kvidell: you running hoary?
[04:20] <kvidell> yea
[04:21] <pestilence> kvidell: upgraded from warty/another distro?
[04:21] <kvidell> I think I had it in Breezy, but I've never seen it on my hoary install(s)
[04:21] <kvidell> nope
[04:21] <pestilence> that's odd.
[04:21] <pestilence> it's been in every hoary install i've done
[04:21] <kvidell> could it be because the first thing I always do is apt-get install linux-2.6.10-686 ?
[04:21] <pestilence> maybe there something that i do that creates it without my knowing it
[04:21] <pestilence> kvidell: dunno.
[04:21] <N17R0> Hi im using ubuntu with blackboxwm, but now I must add synaptic in my menu, but it won't start cos it needs root permission, wich command do i need to use in my synaptic menu so it starts with root permission? I tryed adding {sudo synaptic} but it won't work
[04:22] <keno> hello?
[04:22] <N17R0> Dutchy alles goed :D
[04:22] <keno> ne opn e there???
[04:22] <deadcat> how do i compile the wlan-ng wireless driver with the current kernel?
[04:22] <kvidell> N17R0: gksudo synaptic
[04:22] <pestilence> N17R0: perhaps gksudo?
[04:22] <thoreauputic> N17R0: use "gksudo synaptic"
[04:22] <keno> oops i meant any one there like to chat with me ??
[04:22] <thoreauputic> heh
[04:22] <N17R0> alright let me check :P
[04:22] <kvidell> feels good to be given an answer three times :-D at least you know it'll probably work ;P
[04:22] <thoreauputic> true
[04:22] <thoreauputic> :)
[04:23] <N17R0> heheh let hope :P
[04:23] <kvidell> three completely aribtrary answers would concern me
[04:23] <keno> hello is my name on there??????
[04:23] <r0bby> do people bother finding their answer on their own before they ask for help?
[04:23] <pestilence> r0bby: usually no :)
[04:23] <thoreauputic> keno: umm... no we didn't see you the first 3 times...
[04:23] <keno> ok you guys are mo help
[04:23] <keno> no*
[04:23] <conan> allo
[04:24] <pestilence> r0bby: maybe that's a slight exaggeration
[04:24] <deadcat> wlan-ng anyone?
[04:24] <r0bby> pestilence, that is no exaggeration
[04:24] <r0bby> in what i've seen
[04:25] <N17R0> yeah gksudo works :P
[04:25] <N17R0> thx
[04:25] <inc595> sup channel
[04:25] <thoreauputic> HELP !! My interweb duzn't werK!! Someone help me LLOLZZ ***
[04:25] <pestilence> nice
[04:25] <kvidell> lolerskates
[04:25] <pestilence> hahaha
[04:25] <pestilence> i've never seen lolerskates before. that's a good one
[04:26] <kvidell> hehe
[04:26] <fidget> does anyone know the port for msn messenger?
[04:26] <johnnybezak> fidget: use gaim
[04:26] <pestilence> r0bby: i'd bet you a dollar that google does
[04:26] <fidget> I do .. I just need the port
[04:26] <fr500> fidget 1923 i think
[04:26] <pestilence> oops
[04:26] <pestilence> fidget: see above.
[04:27] <deadcat> fidget: netstat -naptu
[04:27] <fr500> fidger, you wanna filter it or forward it
[04:27] <r0bby> google knows everything
[04:27] <fr500> ?
[04:27] <r0bby> even where carmen sandiego is
[04:27] <deadcat> how do i get linux-wlan-ng to compile with the current kernel?
[04:27] <bradd> http://amsn.sourceforge.net/index.php
[04:27] <fidget> filter it .. i'm trying to cut off my sisters windows box with the router
[04:27] <r0bby> according to google she's in Cairo, Egypt.
[04:27] <r0bby> :P
[04:27] <johnnybezak> hey guys this is really off topic, but does anyone know how many fedora cd's i need for a base install (their channel is silent)
[04:27] <fr500> fidget, if you wanna block messenget, it's a whole lot harder than that
[04:27] <fidget> just need to know what port to block ..
[04:27] <pestilence> fidget: that's not nice
[04:27] <fidget> hahah
[04:27] <fidget> no no it's not
[04:27] <r0bby> johnnybezak, #fedora
[04:27] <r0bby> NOT here
[04:28] <fidget> it's well deserved though..
[04:28] <johnnybezak> r0bby: yeah you didn't read what i said
[04:28] <r0bby> fidget, how old are you 12?
[04:28] <kvidell> johnnbezak: all of them I think. I just use the DVD
[04:28] <deadcat> johnnybezak: no such thing as fedora base install
[04:28] <fr500> fidget, it's not enough, msn can use the http port too
[04:28] <fidget> aye.... blocking that is not a option ..
[04:28] <Tardis> In the forums I noticed that there were a few comments concerning Hotplug.  Is there an issue with hotplug with Hoary?
[04:28] <fr500> if  it cant access 1823 it will keep trying for other ports
[04:28] <kvidell> I'm not sure where it puts what on which cd is the problem
[04:28] <johnnybezak> deadcat: ah crap
[04:28] <fidget> no robby i'm not 12
[04:28] <fr500> fidget, google for blocking msn messenger, there is a way to do it
[04:29] <r0bby> well what you're doing sounds very juvenile
[04:29] <deadcat> common guys. no one uses linux-wlan-ng?
[04:29] <fidget> hah ... all in the name of fun =)
[04:29] <r0bby> deadcat, google uses it.
[04:29] <r0bby> google uses it every day.
[04:29] <raDeon> LMAO HOTPLUG
[04:29] <fidget> much thanks guys
[04:29] <r0bby> fidget, you're going to hell you know that right?
[04:30] <deadcat> r0bby: i want to know if its possible to compile it with the stock ubuntu kernel or not
[04:30] <r0bby> TRY
[04:30] <r0bby> if it doesn't work, then you got your answer.
[04:30] <fidget> I hope hell is nicer then it looks in books..
[04:30] <kvidell> deadcat: to "compile" anything you'll need the source
[04:30] <Sensebend> fidget, probably best answer is just to police your network
[04:30] <Sensebend> if it's a home network, make it clear to the kids they can't use it
[04:30] <deadcat> kvidell: ya. and does ubuntu have the tree for the stock kernel?
[04:30] <kvidell> should have
[04:31] <Sensebend> if it's a office network explain it isn't acceptable use and punish if neccessary
[04:31] <kvidell> apt-cache search linux-2.6.10
[04:31] <r0bby> fidget, yeh saddam and satan are lovers from what I hear
[04:31] <r0bby> oh wait that's south park
[04:31] <r0bby> lol
[04:31] <fidget> hahhah
[04:31] <pestilence> deadcat: you may only need the headers.
[04:31] <thoreauputic> deadcat: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=site%3Aubuntulinux.org+%22linux-wlan-ng+%22&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
[04:31] <thoreauputic> first hit...
[04:31] <kvidell> apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.10 with Ubuntu patches
[04:31] <kvidell> er
[04:32] <kvidell> without the crap on the end though
[04:32] <kvidell> sorry.
[04:32] <Sensebend> fidget, couldn't you use a host file to get the messenger services to resolve to localhost?
[04:32] <fr500> how many mb of upgrades do you think i'll need to do if i install hoary today?
[04:32] <kvidell> could just unplug her fro mthe router ;P
[04:32] <fidget> thats greek to me...
[04:32] <moonshot> hey guys, having some problems getting my wireless card to work.  I think the problem is that ubuntu isn't seeing pcmcia devices.  How can I confirm that?
[04:32] <deadcat> pestilence: thoreauputic: thanks
[04:32] <pestilence> fr500: probably between 300 and 500
[04:32] <r0bby> freebsd is taking forever :(
[04:33] <fr500> pestilence, DAMN IT
[04:33] <fr500> lol
[04:33] <thoreauputic> deadcat: google is your friend...
[04:33] <fr500> moonshot, what card do you have?
[04:33] <Sensebend> have messenger.hotmail.com resolve to 127.0.0.1
[04:33] <fidget> everyone swears by google laughs
[04:33] <johnnybezak> r0bby: #freebsd NOT here :P
[04:33] <fidget> ah.....
[04:33] <moonshot> I have a DWL-650
[04:33] <r0bby> I know :P
[04:33] <moonshot> dlink
[04:33] <deadcat> thoreauputic: well. its for my friend (=. i dont use ubuntu
[04:33] <imaek> Does anyone here know how to configure dialup on Hoary?
[04:33] <r0bby> johnnybezak, but i have no questions :P
[04:33] <r0bby> see
[04:33] <fr500> moonshot, type lspci and see if there are any references to it
[04:33] <fr500> let me know what you get
[04:33] <fossa> where is the grub configuration file analogous to lilo.conf?
[04:33] <fr500> Sensebend, wont work
[04:33] <r0bby> you had questions :P
[04:34] <pestilence> fossa: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:34] <thoreauputic> deadcat: and your point was? Sorry I must have missed something...
[04:34] <kvidell> fossa: /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[04:34] <r0bby> I'm just venting :P
[04:34] <Sensebend> fr500 does it try IPs as well?
[04:34] <fossa> ok
[04:34] <imaek> Once I "activate the connection", nothing happens.  It just opens the connection to the phone line (phone line light goes on), but it doesn't dial out.
[04:34] <deadcat> thoreauputic: point is i am lazy when its comes to diff distros other than the one i am using (=
[04:34] <fr500> Sensebend, it has a hell lot of servers
[04:34] <moonshot> fr500:  nope
[04:34] <thoreauputic> deadcat: I see
[04:34] <fr500> moonshot, paste the lspci output at www.pasetbin.com and give me the link to your post
[04:35] <imaek> Nobody knows anything about Dialup on hoary?
[04:35] <deadcat> imaek: maybe your card just dont work
[04:35] <imaek> deadcat: it does.
[04:35] <imaek> It connects to the phone line, and it works under windows
[04:36] <mhz> imaek: at leat not me
[04:36] <imaek> it just doesn't dial
[04:36] <deadcat> imaek: ya. windows
[04:36] <kvidell> I haven't had to use dialup in a long time :-\
[04:36] <kvidell> Is it a winmodem?
[04:36] <imaek> No.
[04:36] <kvidell> I donno how far the connection would get if it were a winmodem.
[04:36] <imaek> Neither do I, but I know it isn't.
[04:36] <deadcat> imaek: ISA?
[04:36] <kvidell> hm, k
[04:36] <mhz> imaek: have you tried a standard Debian HowTo modem?
[04:36] <thoreauputic> imaek: 1) check that you are in the dialout and dip groups 2) type sudo pppconfig in a terminal and answer the questions 3) type pon to connect, poff to disconnect
[04:37] <imaek> mhz: Where?
[04:37] <fr500> kvidell, linmodem
[04:37] <mhz> imaek: let me check...
[04:37] <moonshot> fr500:  http://pastebin.com/297490
[04:37] <fidget> Oh .... What is sun solaris and freeBSD? are they better then linux?
[04:37] <kvidell> fr500: is that a pun or a piece of software to do winmodem emulation under linux?
[04:37] <imaek> thoreauputic: How do I check that I am in the dialout and dip groups?
[04:37] <fr500> kvidell, the second
[04:37] <fidget> there different unix os's yes?
[04:37] <deadcat> fidget: sure
[04:37] <thoreauputic> imaek: type ` groups` in a termianl
[04:37] <kvidell> fr500: oh, cool :) good to know, thanks.
[04:37] <pestilence> imaek: type groups at a command line
[04:37] <Tardis> well I have been jerkin around with linux for about 4 or more years, on and off type stuff.  I finally found  ubuntu and have been using it for about 6 months.  It is a very usable Linux distro.
[04:37] <thoreauputic> *terminal
[04:37] <mhz> imaek: to check a user is in a certain group...
[04:38] <mhz> imaek: just type in a command line...
[04:38] <mhz> groups
[04:38] <imaek> Thanks.
[04:38] <imaek> All three of you.
[04:38] <imaek> :P
[04:38] <fr500> moonshot, have any other pcmcia cards to try?
[04:38] <r0bby> fidget, freebsd, openbsd, netbsd, linux, solaris, (mas osx?)
[04:38] <mhz> :)
[04:38] <moonshot> fr500:  nope, that's the only one
[04:38] <pestilence> too much redundancy.  i'm heading out :)
[04:38] <thoreauputic> imaek: I assume this isn't a Wintendo winmodem?
[04:38] <deadcat> hp-ux aix
[04:38] <imaek> thoreauputic: it isn't.
[04:38] <r0bby> ah
[04:38] <r0bby> i missed some
[04:39] <fr500> moonshot, plug it and unplug it, then type dmesg | tail and paste at pastebin
[04:39] <mhz> imaek: this is in spanish... http://www.insflug.org/COMOs/Diald-Como/Diald-Como-6.html
[04:39] <mhz> let me get the one in english
[04:39] <Trinitrogen> two quick questions: where grub.conf and how do I edit it to default to windows
[04:40] <Tardis> It's in your /boot directory Trinitrogen
[04:40] <fr500> Trinitrogen, no grub.conf, it's menu.lst it's at /boot/grub
[04:40] <J35U5> http://images.southparkstudios.com/media/images/906/906_butters_about_to_be_probed.jpg
[04:40] <fr500> Trinitrogen, for the second part, read the file
[04:41] <moonshot> fr500: http://pastebin.com/297492
[04:41] <mjog> guys, is there some a document on the website that lists hardware requirements?
[04:41] <Trinitrogen> fr500: read the file as in it shouldd be self explanitory?
[04:41] <mjog> i.e. min memory and disk?
[04:41] <fr500> Trinitrogen, yes
[04:41] <fossa> can i create my own gdm theme?
[04:41] <fr500> moonshot, it seems you are right, i have no workarounds there
[04:41] <fr500> moonshot, is your pc new?
[04:42] <mjog> I've been looking of rthe last 10 minutes bu can't find any such docs
[04:42] <r0bby> fossa, rtfm.
[04:42] <moonshot> fr500:  nope, it'a a 4 year old laptop
[04:42] <fr500> hmmm
[04:42] <fossa> don't be a dick
[04:42] <r0bby> language.
[04:42] <truz24> how come mplayer isn't on the ubuntu repos
[04:42] <mhz> imaek: this is a good list...
[04:43] <mhz> imaek: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/howtos.html
[04:43] <crimsun> truz24: it is. See multiverse.
[04:43] <fossa> pot, kettle
[04:43] <imaek> Thanks, mhz.
[04:43] <mjog> fossa: go to art.gnome.org, download one and unpack it..
[04:43] <r0bby> no
[04:43] <r0bby> rtfm is an acronym
[04:43] <r0bby> the f can be fine :P
[04:43] <r0bby> so
[04:43] <fr500> moonshot, no clues
[04:43] <fr500> sorry
[04:43] <mhz> truz24: by default, only FreeAsInFreedom packages are availabel via APT, unless you specify differently
[04:43] <moonshot> hmm, how tough is it to dual boot ubuntu and windows 2000?
[04:43] <wawa> I still have problem wathing video in fullscreen, the pictured is blurred big time...anyone help
[04:43] <thoreauputic> mjog: site:ubuntulinux.org "hardware requirements"  << the hits are mostly for warty, but the requirements are the same
[04:43] <mhz> imaek: no problem
[04:44] <thoreauputic> mjog: enter that in google
[04:44] <mhz> imaek: but if YOU do make it work, please post it somewhere in the Ubuntu wiki site :)
[04:44] <r0bby> warty was the previous release was it not?
[04:44] <synd-> wahoo
[04:44] <mjog> thoreauputic: oh, good idea, cheers!
[04:45] <thoreauputic> r0bby: yes, but hardware requirements are similar or the same
[04:45] <moonshot> Is it tough to dual boot windows 2000 and ubuntu?
[04:45] <thoreauputic> moonshot: no
[04:45] <Trinitrogen> moonshot: not in the least
[04:45] <novaflare> install windows first ubuntu secound
[04:45] <fr500> moonshot, not at all
[04:45] <r0bby> I know
[04:45] <Trinitrogen> moonshot: assuming you don't mind not using the NTLDR
[04:46] <r0bby> i wasn't asking related to the hardware requirement
[04:46] <novaflare> long as you dont accidently nuke your windows partion during the partion proccess its automatic
[04:46] <|QuaD-> anyone here using the hula package?
[04:46] <moonshot> I'm thinking if windows can't find my pcmcia hardware, then it's a hardware problem, not linux config problem
[04:47] <mhz> Hello... has anyone successfully set up a USB snapscan e25 scanner??
[04:47] <mhz> or any USB scanner
[04:47] <fr500> moonshot, try a live cd
[04:47] <Nic> mhz: my canon scanner set itself up
[04:47] <truz24> So Mplayer is patent encumbered?
[04:47] <Nic> i just plugged it in and it was ready to go
[04:47] <mhz> Nic: lucky you :)
[04:48] <moonshot> fr500: what's diff hardware detection wise with a live cd?
[04:48] <Nic> you sure it dosent just work?
[04:48] <neighborlee> is supermount working in breezy ?
[04:48] <mhz> Nic: yep
[04:48] <Nic> well that sucks
[04:48] <Nic> :P
[04:48] <Trinitrogen> fr500: Im looking at it, and am unfortuantly confused. I know the key is in "default" but does that go by what number of "title" it is? I.E. I have 3 lines with "title" for 3 different unbuntus, then a title saying "Other OS's" and then windows... does that mean my defaults 4 or 5?
[04:48] <mhz> Nic: it does get recognized but it says "failed to blablabla"
[04:48] <fr500> moonshot, some distros detectt some hw others not
[04:48] <Trinitrogen> or did that not even make sense
[04:49] <stuNNed> where's a good place to get some ubuntu art?
[04:49] <Nic> mhz sorry i cant really be much help then
[04:49] <fr500> Trinitrogen, wait a sec, i'll check it out
[04:49] <mhz> Nic: np, at least you answered :D
[04:49] <fr500> Trinitrogen, are some of the ubuntus commented?
[04:49] <moonshot> fr500:  So try a differnt distro live cd?  I DL'd a ubuntu live iso but haven't played with it yet.
[04:49] <fr500> diff distro
[04:50] <fr500> for example: for me fedora wont work (in my laptop) no wifi, no sound among others
[04:50] <Trinitrogen> no, I've got entries uncommented entries for Unbutu, kernal 2.6.10, Recovery mode, and memtest86+
[04:50] <robitaille> stuNNed,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CommunityArtwork has some links
[04:50] <fr500> Trinitrogen, so 3 ubuntus?
[04:50] <Trinitrogen> Then a "title" saying other Os's, then the XP entry
[04:50] <Trinitrogen> yeah
[04:51] <fr500> then 4 i think
[04:51] <Trinitrogen> guess it can't under doing it
[04:51] <fr500> or 5 if the "other oss" counts
[04:51] <fr500> Trinitrogen, you've gotta try it out
[04:51] <fr500> but you can undo it booting in linux again
[04:52] <Trinitrogen> yeah I know, but asking was worth a shot I figured. thanks for you help
[04:52] <fr500> anyone using splashy?
[04:52] <imaek> mhz: just for future reference: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DialupModemHowto
[04:52] <Stargazer> Hi.. I installed install Ubuntu PPC on my G3..  I've got a question about Divx/xvid... How can i view these files.. I've installed mediacodecs, xine and vlc.  xine just plays white noise that can't be turned off or lowered, and vlc plays the movie but with no audio... plus the video in vlc has white shimmering dots all over the place
[04:53] <mhz> imaek: hehehe
[04:53] <imaek> ;D
[04:53] <imaek> Ps
[04:53] <kvidell> Trinitrogen: I do'nt know if it was said already or not, but if it helps, the first entry is "0" and then 1 2 3 4 5 from there.
[04:53] <imaek> It isn't me whose modem isn't working.  I have DSL.  It's a friend.
[04:54] <mhz> imaek: the good thing is there is support and help
[04:54] <fr500> mhz, this is better than tech support
[04:54] <mhz> :D
[04:54] <imaek> mhz: yes. :d
[04:55] <Quest-Master> http://img247.echo.cx/img247/1036/gateslord2rn.jpg
[04:55] <mhz> fr500: depends... if you get answers and can solve the problem.. YES! otherwise, it's just like tech support :)
[04:55] <Quest-Master> imaek
[04:55] <linuxamoeba21> hey how can i add fonts?
[04:55] <imaek> what
[04:55] <Quest-Master> Why are you in here..
[04:55] <imaek> because i use ubuntu
[04:55] <mhz> linuxamoeba21: depends... GUI?
[04:55] <inc595> ubuntu rox
[04:56] <fr500> mhz, it's cheaper
[04:56] <Quest-Master> apparently you are helping people as well!
[04:56] <fr500> mhz, like in free
[04:56] <imaek> k.
[04:56] <thoreauputic> linuxamoeba21: dump them in ~/.fonts
[04:56] <linuxamoeba21> sweet
[04:56] <linuxamoeba21> thanls
[04:56] <linuxamoeba21> *k
[04:56] <mhz> fr500: yes, sometimes. Because time may be critical sometimes
[04:56] <mhz> fr500: and so answers
[04:56] <inc595> RTFM hehe
[04:57] <fr500> well, thats a good point but then you should use a fully certified distro or something alike imho
[04:57] <mhz> linuxamoeba21: so, what desktop?
[04:57] <deang> I think I un-hashed too many items in sources.list :(
[04:58] <mhz> fr500: yes, agree. But community driven help is much more interesting to experience
[04:58] <mhz> :)
[04:58] <J35U5> what is the command to output the current version being run
[04:58] <thoreauputic> developers tend to be horrified by community support channels ;)
[04:58] <mhz> fr500: plus, is like Wikipedia... you enter about X and you end up learning about ABCD stuff :D
[04:59] <bob2> hah\
[04:59] <fr500> yeah
[04:59] <mhz> J35U5: uanme -a
[04:59] <deang> >> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists
[04:59] <mhz> J35U5: uname -a
[04:59] <fr500> so, has anyone tried sarge yet? i havent even finished dlding it
[04:59] <mhz> thoreauputic: yep, unless it's a good one
[04:59] <thoreauputic> bob2: heheh - hello :)
[04:59] <linuxamoeba21> AAAAAUUUUUUUGHHHH WTF
[04:59] <mhz> thoreauputic: or it helps them
[04:59] <linuxamoeba21> DIE UBUNTU DUE
[05:00] <kvidell> linuxamobea21: <3
[05:00] <mhz> linuxamoeba21: what't the issue?
[05:00] <linuxamoeba21> for the second time, my computer has randomly started playing the song 'jezebel' by iron & wine
[05:00] <J35U5> mhz, lateralus@Lateralus:~$ uanme -a
[05:00] <J35U5> bash: uanme: command not found
[05:00] <linuxamoeba21> i don't even have the song!
[05:00] <wawa> I still have problem wathing video in fullscreen, the pictured is blurred big time...anyone help pls
[05:00] <inc595> LIVE UBUNTU LIVE
[05:00] <linuxamoeba21> the only way to kill it is to shut down also
[05:00] <linuxamoeba21> *alsa
[05:00] <inc595> J35U5, uname -a
[05:01] <mhz> J35U5: yes, that's why I corrected the line after it :)
[05:01] <kvidell> linuxamoeba21: do other people have access to your box?
[05:01] <J35U5> ahh ty
[05:01] <linuxamoeba21> not that i know of
[05:01] <kvidell> via ssh?
[05:01] <kvidell> hm.. that's kind of entertaining then.
 J35U5: uanme -a
 yeah
 J35U5: uname -a
[05:01] <kvidell> try an lsof | grep dsp next time it starts
[05:01] <J35U5> ty guys
[05:01] <thoreauputic> linuxamoeba21 has been pWn3d ! *g*
[05:01] <linuxamoeba21> its a default install, and i'm the only user
[05:01] <kvidell> so you can see what's using your dsp
[05:01] <kvidell> dsp device*
[05:01] <mhz> J35U5: wellcome
[05:02] <inc595> linuxamoeba21, you should use fluxbox instead of gnome
[05:02] <linuxamoeba21> uh
[05:02] <kvidell> openbox openbox ra ra ra
[05:02] <kvidell> that doesn't solve his problem though :-P
[05:02] <mhz> kvidell: good advice! Any chances you could wiki it in ubuntu wiki??
[05:02] <fossa> got any recommendations for an mp3/ogg player?
[05:02] <fr500> are the ubuntu certified hps out?
[05:02] <kvidell> mhz: what? o.O
[05:02] <linuxamoeba21> i like gnome and how would that fix it...
[05:02] <inc595> gnomes are evil
[05:02] <mhz> kvidell: the advice on dsp
[05:02] <fr500> fossa, i like beep media player
[05:02] <kvidell> yes.. ? lsof isn't that complicated :-P
[05:03] <linuxamoeba21> finger reports nothing abnormal
[05:03] <kvidell> it was directed at the penguin amoeba anyway.
[05:03] <mhz> inc595: Gnome is not. MS is
[05:03] <inc595> don't finger me
[05:03] <kvidell> linuxamoeba21: Next time the music starts up, go to a terminal and type this: lsof | grep dsp
[05:03] <kvidell> it might complain about you not being root but it should complete anyway
[05:03] <kvidell> it'll tell you what's using your soundcard.
[05:03] <mhz> linuxamoeba21: but the simpler your desktop is, the better performance and maximum control over it
[05:04] <linuxamoeba21> esd        8377       andy    5w      CHR       14,3                9202 /dev/dsp
[05:04] <inc595> mhz, a box running win xp, os x, and linux is an evil box lol
[05:04] <kvidell> oh, is the music playing now?
[05:04] <linuxamoeba21> it stopped just after i ran that
[05:04] <mhz> kvidell: i know, i know, but GOOD advices deserve to be available for newbies or people who read wikis (like me)
[05:04] <fr500> will i be banned if my current song is displayed here?
[05:04] <mhz> inc595: nop, the EVIL is the admin who lets it happen :D
[05:05] <crimsun> fr500: no, but please refrain but doing such.
[05:05] <kvidell> mhz: I've recomended that for other people multiple times on the forum.. I tend to stick to that
[05:05] <inc595> i dunno fr500 try it .. lets see
[05:05] <fr500> ok
[05:05] <fr500> crimsun, ok
[05:05] <mhz> kvidell: ok, just a suggestion
[05:05] <inc595> oh guess you would
[05:05] <kvidell> well
[05:05] <kvidell> mhz: if one of them has a "random useful crap" section for little tips and tricks like that, I'll put it there
[05:05] <pschulz01> I'm currently looking at the 'PinningHowTo' document in the Wiki..
[05:05] <kvidell> but it's really not enough to write a whole tutorial on
[05:05] <fossa> ok, beep is playing my song but i don't hear anything. how do i configurate the sound?
[05:06] <imaek> Crap.
[05:06] <mhz> kvidell: ok, I'll count on that
[05:06] <pschulz01> What is the correct string to use for the APT:Default-Release "version" string?
[05:06] <imaek> What do I do if "pon" doesn't work?
[05:06] <linuxamoeba21> kvidell or mhz, any ideas?
[05:06] <imaek> that tutorial didn't work.
[05:06] <mhz> kvidell: new ubuntu wiki will have that
[05:06] <imaek> when I type "pon", it just goes to a new line.
[05:06] <thoreauputic> fossa: try the esound output plugin
[05:06] <inc595> brb, gonna setup fbdesk for flux hehe
[05:06] <thoreauputic> imaek: it doesn't dial?
[05:07] <kvidell> hm..
[05:07] <imaek> No, thoreauputic, nothing happens.
[05:07] <mhz> linuxamoeba21: many, but sorry I was paying attention to many diff things at the same time. What issue?
[05:07] <pschulz01> Is it 'hoary' or 'Hoary Hedgehog'?
[05:07] <linuxamoeba21> the random music playing that i dont even own
[05:07] <thoreauputic> imaek: and you are in the dip and dialout groups, and the modem is correctly identified?
[05:07] <imaek> well
[05:07] <fr500> pschulz01, bot
[05:07] <fr500> both
[05:07] <mhz> imaek: boooh
[05:07] <imaek> I'm assuming it's either /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyS1
[05:07] <fossa> ah. it was trying to use my onboard sound instead of my soundcard.
[05:08] <imaek> and I've tried both,.
[05:08] <imaek> I don't know how to tell which is which.
[05:08] <pschulz01> What?
[05:08] <kvidell> linuxamoeba21: Have you installed anything lately... I find it hard to belive that it isn't an outside source if it's a stock install.
[05:08] <thoreauputic> imaek: did you use a provider name?
[05:08] <fossa> if beep was doing that, is xfce also doing it by default?
[05:08] <mhz> linuxamoeba21: if I were you, I'd see what processes are running
[05:08] <mhz> linuxamoeba21: and kill them all
[05:08] <imaek> thoreauputic: no, just "provider"
[05:08] <thoreauputic> imaek:  if so use pon <providername>
[05:08] <thoreauputic> ah
[05:08] <thoreauputic> OK
[05:08] <mhz> linuxamoeba21: (all you don't need)
[05:08] <kvidell> linuxamoeba21: yea, what mhz said. Type "ps aux" and see if anything interesting/telling is running
[05:08] <linuxamoeba21> kvidell, everything i've installed is from ubuntu or universe
[05:08] <thoreauputic> imaek: does "sudo pon" work?
[05:08] <linuxamoeba21> ok
[05:09] <imaek> thoreauputic: No. :(
[05:09] <thoreauputic> hmm
[05:09] <pschulz01> fr500: What do you mean?
[05:09] <thoreauputic> imaek: running out of ideas here, sorry...
[05:09] <jkezar_> how do I see what "mode" my xserver is using?
[05:09] <mhz> linuxamoeba21: when you type "ps -aux" (no "!) see what processes you DO NOT know
[05:09] <jkezar_> like 640x480 at 16 depth
[05:09] <fr500> pschulz01, it's known as hoary, but it's full name is hoary hedgehog
[05:09] <thoreauputic> imaek: do the modem leds do anything?
[05:09] <kvidell> mhz: you don't need the -
[05:09] <kvidell> just ps aux
[05:09] <mhz> oh, yes
[05:10] <kvidell> (I'm all for saving key strokes)
[05:10] <mhz> I get stuck easily with the "-"
[05:10] <pschulz01> fr500: so, i put "hoary" in my apt.conf then?
[05:10] <fr500> yes
[05:10] <mhz> kvidell: :D
[05:10] <synd> how should i go about getting Wine?
[05:11] <kvidell> synd: BevMo
[05:11] <imaek> thoreauputic: I don't have any,
[05:11] <mhz> synd: apt-get install wine (I suppose)
[05:11] <sproingie> www.liquorstore.com
[05:11] <synd> kvidell: bevmo?
[05:11] <mhz> LOL
[05:11] <kvidell> Beverages and More
[05:11] <neighborlee> synd: just add the repository as shown from : winehq.com < then install in synaptic
[05:11] <kvidell> >.> large liquor-and-stuff store.
[05:11] <tony__> Hello do Logitech optical mice work with Ubuntu? Mine seem a little jerky
[05:11] <kvidell> ignore me.
[05:12] <sproingie> tony__: mine works like a dream
[05:12] <kvidell> tony__: no issues here
[05:12] <sproingie> the default accelleration is pretty damn hyper
[05:12] <fossa> tony mine is fine
[05:12] <sproingie> i just had to turn it down
[05:12] <neighborlee> synd: you just head to winehq.com and click on I think the 'download' link on far left and its clearly shown what to do...
[05:13] <linuxamoeba21> kvidell and mhz, i don't see anything weird in the processes... i'll look again if the music starts again
[05:13] <mhz> imaek: I wish I knew but nop
[05:13] <imaek> :\
[05:13] <sproingie> there's many variants of wine.  if you want to play games, wine stable ain't gonna help much
[05:13] <synd> neighborlee: thanks, im checkin it out as we speak
[05:13] <kvidell> wine - Windows Emulator (Binary Emulator)
[05:13] <kvidell> wine-doc - Windows Emulator (Documentation)
[05:13] <kvidell> wine-utils - Windows Emulator (Utilities)
[05:13] <kvidell> winetools - A graphical setup suite for Wine
[05:13] <kvidell> you might grab those from apt-get
[05:13] <neighborlee> synd:np..kewl
[05:13] <sproingie> wine from cvs or dx9wine will do it.  if you want idiotproof, buy a copy of cedega
[05:13] <synd> bah this is linux, im not buying shit : )
[05:13] <tony__> That was it! thanx...
[05:13] <mhz> linuxamoeba21: ok, that's important... do not kill the music until you see the "ps aux" and identify the process number AND line that goes with it
[05:13] <neighborlee> synd: lol
[05:13] <thoreauputic> imaek: this *is* a hardware modem with a serial external connection, yes?
[05:13] <sproingie> thus concludes my sum knowledge of wine, as i actually just boot to windows when i want to game
[05:14] <linuxamoeba21> well it stopped... so now i play the waiting game... it could be days
[05:14] <r0bby> OR
[05:14] <r0bby> run vmware :)
[05:14] <neighborlee> sproingie, what games force you to boot to that crappy OS <G>
[05:14] <kvidell> <3 vmware
[05:14] <sproingie> itunes in vmware would be punishing
[05:14] <synd> vmware?
[05:15] <sproingie> neighborlee: oddly, the games i like the most both have linux versions.  i'm just lazy
[05:15] <neighborlee> synd: its not free dont worry
[05:15] <neighborlee> sproingie, ahhhh ok heh
[05:15] <synd> : )
[05:15] <sproingie> my pc is poorly ventilated tho, so NWN causes my poor pc to overheat
[05:15] <sproingie> oddly, UT does not
[05:15] <neighborlee> sproingie, I was going to say..neverwinter nights has native linux version just in case you are interested..nwn.bioware.com
[05:15] <sproingie> yep, i mostly just play on console these days
[05:15] <neighborlee> LOL great mionds
[05:15] <neighborlee> minds
[05:15] <mhz> linuxamoeba21: OR, maybe you could also have some sort of "tail -f /var/log/... "
[05:15] <neighborlee> we spit that out almost same time <G>
[05:16] <neighborlee> I have nwn too..plays great on linux although its best to install the mouse fix and movies too
[05:16] <fr500> sproingie, itunes works decent in cxoffice
[05:16] <Xenguy> dpkg I know *exactly* what you mean
[05:16] <Xenguy> ww
[05:16] <clueless1> Can anyone help me out with grub?
[05:16] <sproingie> neighborlee: i'm aware of that, i just don't care to fill up both my win and linux partitions.  lt's not like i do anything else when playing nwn, so i treat windows like a console
[05:16] <neighborlee> clueless1, whats wrong
[05:16] <neighborlee> sproingie, ahhh ok understood
[05:16] <marcelcole> hello
[05:16] <neighborlee> ;-)
[05:17] <neighborlee> sproingie, we all hope nwn2 works for us too..
[05:17] <neighborlee> hi marcelcole
[05:17] <marcelcole> I'm a n00b to ubuntu lol
[05:17] <marcelcole> and need some help with my modem
[05:17] <neighborlee> dain I hate autocomplete with a room this big..what a pita sometimes LOL
[05:17] <sproingie> in fact most games fail to hold my attention these days.  GTA is fun, but i'm so bad at it, it stops being fun
[05:17] <neighborlee> marcelcole, welcome !!
[05:17] <clueless1> I installed Hoary to my SATA hd but grub was installed to my PATA which I want to remove from this computer
[05:17] <fr500> sproingie, there is always good old cs
[05:17] <neighborlee> sproingie, keep checking happypenguin.org ;-)..there are tons of good ones
[05:18] <marcelcole> I have a laptop "Dell Inspiron 5160" and the modem is not working
[05:18] <neighborlee> if you like army games there is the free AA and ET
[05:18] <sproingie> fr500: can't do multiplayer that well.  i get schooled by 9-year-olds
[05:18] <kvidell> sproingie: I suck at GTA too. I just hijack a nice car and drive around until it blows up, or cheat and get the tank and destroy things :-D
[05:18] <fr500> lol
[05:18] <marcelcole> cant connect at all
[05:18] <neighborlee> marcelcole, what kind is it
[05:18] <sproingie> kvidell: yep, but that's only fun for an hour or so
[05:18] <fr500> sproingie, everyone does
[05:18] <marcelcole> hold on
[05:18] <kvidell> lol, okay
[05:18] <marcelcole> can't remember x_x, checking
[05:18] <sproingie> kvidell: i went out looking for burnout3 today ... now that game has mayhem
[05:18] <sproingie> couldn't find it anywhere tho :(
[05:18] <kvidell> :)
[05:18] <neighborlee> man this bittorrent stuf sure bites lately..grrrrrrr
[05:18] <kvidell> aw :-\
[05:18] <kvidell> hm. not sure.
[05:18] <disasm> heya all, i have a laptop, and gkrellm battery has an option for alarms. I'd like to set an alarm at 2% so it automatically shuts down (that way it doesn't just crash at 0%) but I can't figure out how to allow gkrellm to be able to issue a halt, since sudo prompts for a pw any ideas???
[05:19] <marcelcole> Broadcom Polaris
[05:19] <Xenguy> marcelcole: 'minicom' can sometimes be helpful with debugging (that's all I can suggest for now)
[05:19] <locomorto> Anyone here play tmw?
[05:19] <locomorto> The mana World
[05:19] <sproingie> i haven't checked out the linux game scene lately tho
[05:19] <locomorto> cause i have no idea what level i need to be to sit :(
[05:19] <sproingie> i presume it's evolved beyond xbill and tuxracer?
[05:19] <disasm> marcelcole: is that a winmodem you have?
[05:19] <locomorto> yes
[05:19] <marcelcole> I don't think so
[05:19] <johnnybezak> have any of you guys put together a mythtv box?
[05:20] <Sensebend> how does one check what versions of packages are currently in breezy?
[05:20] <disasm> johnnybezak: i have, i liked freevo better though, it had a better interface, and the python code was pretty simple to customize it.
[05:20] <sproingie> i wish someone would port progressquest to linux.  now there's a game i can play well :)
[05:20] <neighborlee> marcelcole, what does ifconfig tell you and how are you connecting...
[05:20] <neighborlee> sproingie, never heard of it..although there are tons of kewl games for linux these days
[05:21] <johnnybezak> disasm: yeah but i hear that the actual tv features of freevo are pretty crappy (time shifting etc)
[05:21] <kvidell> frozen-bubble > *
[05:21] <raDeon> kvidell, sex > frozen-bubble > *
[05:21] <fossa> i love frozen bubble
[05:21] <sproingie> neighborlee: progressquest is the ultimate RPG
[05:21] <fossa> that was the first apt-get i did
[05:21] <neighborlee> sproingie, how bout: uplink or darwinia or tale in the desert or venetta...savage is interesting although I dont know if linux support is still ac tive
[05:21] <sproingie> i bet it runs under wine
[05:21] <disasm> johnnybezak: but it looks like myth might be better for ubuntu, since i don't see freevo in apt-cache search
[05:21] <kvidell> raDeon: good enough :) I am engaged so I can agree to that ;)
[05:21] <neighborlee> sproingie, i was going to say wine might do it
[05:21] <raDeon> ;;)
[05:22] <kvidell> you're a bot aren't you?
[05:22] <raDeon> yes
[05:22] <johnnybezak> disasm: yeah im just downloading a hoary cd, the warty one got kernel panics on boot after i'd installed it. strange
[05:22] <mhz> marcelcole: did you try http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DialupModemHowto
[05:22] <raDeon> LMAO HOARY
[05:22] <kvidell> :-P
[05:22] <marcelcole> i'll take a look
[05:22] <fossa> can i create a link to a directory on the desktop?
[05:22] <neighborlee> bah why dont they make a livecd/installer thats not dvd..gee they gotta make it hard on us dont they LOL
[05:23] <neighborlee> i mean not everyone has a DVD burner these days and they arent' that cheap unless you get a real cheap one...:(((
[05:23] <sproingie> who's they?
[05:23] <disasm> neighborlee: im guessing size constraints
[05:23] <neighborlee> ubuntu team
[05:23] <kvidell> neighborlee: I have a non DVD live CD for Ubuntu
[05:23] <neighborlee> mabye they offer both DE's shrug
[05:23] <sproingie> uh, ubuntu's livecd is a cd
[05:23] <kvidell> it's 5.04 even
[05:23] <neighborlee> kvidell, yes but I want a insataller too
[05:23] <sproingie> then download the installer cd
[05:24] <kvidell> lol
[05:24] <neighborlee> nope I want both in one
[05:24] <sproingie> i wish ubuntu had a netinst mini-cd
[05:24] <kvidell> wel laren't we picky
[05:24] <neighborlee> LOL
[05:24] <kvidell> :-
[05:24] <mhz> neighborlee: like Morphix?
[05:24] <neighborlee> yes I admit to being picky
[05:24] <kvidell> :-P*
[05:24] <neighborlee> freely
[05:24] <neighborlee> lol
[05:24] <mhz> neighborlee: I agree with you
[05:24] <neighborlee> mhz, yup..or knoppix or kannotix or....
[05:24] <mhz> plus shipping will be cheaper
[05:24] <marcelcole> I ran through that guide
[05:25] <neighborlee> mhz: thx ...you saved me  from near persecution by my peers
[05:25] <kvidell> too bad you can't make the ubuntulive cd upload a PXEStart/KickStart script to a centralized location that you could install from later with all of the livecd's discoveries installed automagically
[05:25] <kvidell> that'd be coo >.>
[05:25] <marcelcole> it appears to have a connection between my modem and the phone
[05:25] <marcelcole> my phone says extension in use
[05:25] <marcelcole> but no sound is coming from the phone
[05:25] <mhz> marcelcole: sorry then. imaek is having similar problems and I have never used Modem :(
[05:25] <neighborlee> hmm..modem in linux can be iffy especially if it is winmodem
[05:25] <neighborlee> and I bet it is
[05:25] <disasm> marcelcole: what are you using to dial?
[05:25] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: google "ubuntu express"
[05:25] <mhz> kvidell: very cool!
[05:25] <sproingie> pxeboot install would be neat, no idea how to actually make that work
[05:25] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, okay thank you
[05:26] <sproingie> i believe debian sarge has a pxeboot installer
[05:26] <fr500> hey
[05:26] <kvidell> yes it does
[05:26] <neighborlee> ubuntu is THE best so yeah i was just hoping for livecd/installer combo ;-))
[05:26] <marcelcole> disasm - What do yo mean?
[05:26] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, so thx
[05:26] <fr500> is that wolfenstein: enemy territory based on the new wolf 3d?
[05:26] <fr500> is it free?
[05:26] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: a live Cd / installer is being worked on
[05:26] <mpm> who is familiar with rdiff-backup?  It appears to have backed up hidden files but not hidden dirs... ??
[05:26] <disasm> marcelcole: what app are you using to dial? minicom? wvdial? kppp? etc...
[05:26] <mhz> neighborlee: did you suggest it to people in Canonical?
[05:26] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, ;-)god bless em
[05:26] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:27] <mhz> thoreauputic: "is working..." when's out?
[05:27] <neighborlee> althogh I really should get a dvd burner anyway I supppose
[05:27] <neighborlee> I can see games demanding it very soon ..;-0
[05:27] <thoreauputic> mhz: I don't know
[05:27] <marcelcole> I just installed ubuntu and used the System -> administration -> networking part as well as pppconfig
[05:27] <disasm> neighborlee: $39.99 last i checked on newegg
[05:27] <fr500> neighborlee, but pressed cds come with a live cd and install cd
[05:27] <disasm> neighborlee: and thats dual layer ;-)
[05:28] <neighborlee> disasm, yeah but is it a decent brand for that price
[05:28] <neighborlee> fr500, yup
[05:28] <kvidell> lite-on and toshiba are cheap and I've had no problems with them (as far as DVD-Burners)
[05:28] <neighborlee> I should bite bullet and go get a dvd  burner and forget it LOL..being cheap
[05:28] <disasm> neighborlee: probly not, but if it's cheap who cares if it dies in a year?
[05:29] <neighborlee> heh true I suppose
[05:29] <neighborlee> kvidell, ah ok kewl
[05:29] <disasm> marcelcole: i've always used wvdial myself, do you have minicom installed?
[05:30] <fr500> oh crap, wrong ubuntu cd, preview release 1
[05:30] <marcelcole> where is that in ubunut?
[05:30] <fr500> i just finished installing
[05:30] <marcelcole> ubuntu*
[05:31] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, is there a test for this express yet by chance...
[05:31] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: again, I don't know -n i doubt it
[05:32] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, nice that its being worked on though...very nice and I like the goals
[05:32] <kestas> is there any way of encrypting a stream in linux? like tar -pvcf - ./something/ | encrypt | gzip > archive.tar.enc.gz
[05:32] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, thx for info
[05:32] <Siropel> samuel still on?:D
[05:33] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: some early info here (from ubuntu Down Under conference wiki)
[05:33] <thoreauputic> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuExpress
[05:33] <marcelcole> how do u use WVdial?
[05:33] <kvidell> ugh
[05:33] <disasm> marcelcole: wvdialconf
[05:33] <kvidell> wvdial looks like my name :-P
[05:33] <kestas> anyone know of a stream/block cipher program for linux?
[05:33] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, yup first place I went from da google <G>
[05:33] <kvidell> and I don't have highlights, I just tune in on seeing my name
[05:33] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, thx
[05:34] <colphorbin> can anyone tell me how do you go about installing KDE on ubuntu?
[05:34] <r0bby> rtfm
[05:34] <kvidell> collphorbin: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:34] <marcelcole> Sorry, no modem was detected!
[05:34] <r0bby> marcelcole, rtfm
[05:34] <r0bby> google knows
[05:34] <mpm> is there a way to show with apt-get or synaptic a list of all programs I've installed myself?
[05:34] <disasm> marcelcole: probly winmodem, is it built in the dell or pcmcia?
[05:34] <neighborlee> has anyone figured out the odd crashy stuff in gnome in ubuntu or is it that 2.10 is slightly that way atm..evo crashed one day and took the destkop with it...I had to hard reboot to get out of it so just wondering.....( can't find anything on forums)
[05:35] <disasm> mpm: dpkg -l
[05:35] <thoreauputic> r0bby: um, rtfm is deprecated around here
[05:35] <kvidell> mpm: use aptitude from a terminal, then go to "installed programs" I guess
[05:35] <marcelcole> its in the laptop
[05:35] <disasm> thoreauputic: nicely put
[05:35] <disasm> marcelcole: whats the model?
[05:35] <thoreauputic> !conduct
[05:35] <ubotu> conduct is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view
[05:35] <marcelcole> Inspiron 5160
[05:35] <r0bby> oh
[05:35] <r0bby> sry
[05:35] <thoreauputic> I suggest people read that
[05:36] <mpm> so rtfc where c=conduct? </friendly tone>
[05:36] <kestas> read the full manual
[05:36] <kestas> rtfm
[05:36] <mhz> thoreauputic: I agree
[05:36] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, nicely said...ubuntu 'rocks'
[05:36] <disasm> marcelcole: it's a conexant winmodem
[05:37] <marcelcole> :o
[05:37] <r0bby> alrighty, sorry
[05:37] <mhz> mpm: or ReadTheFriendlyConduct
[05:37] <marcelcole> Can it work with ubuntu?
[05:37] <disasm> marcelcole: im googling
[05:37] <neighborlee> r0bby, its ok we live and learn...be happy use ubuntu ;-))
[05:38] <mhz> marcelcole: usually, if it works under Debian, it may work under Ubuntu
[05:38] <marcelcole> ok
[05:38] <marcelcole> so pretty much trial and error?
[05:38] <mhz> marcelcole: so have you tried Debian Modem HowTo?
[05:38] <mhz> yep
[05:38] <marcelcole> nope
[05:38] <marcelcole> links?
[05:38] <samuel> good night all
[05:38] <mhz> that's the only way we truly learn
[05:38] <mhz> nn Salihu
[05:38] <mhz> nn samiam
[05:39] <mhz> sorry
[05:39] <mhz> autocompletetion :)
[05:39] <r0bby> I have a bad habit of flaming :X
[05:39] <mhz> np
[05:39] <mhz> good is you noticed it
[05:39] <mhz> :)
[05:40] <mhz> marcelcole: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/howtos.html
[05:40] <mhz> a bunch of howtos I hope one day get moved into Wiki style
[05:40] <mhz> esp. MoinMoin
[05:40] <mhz> :)
[05:41] <r0bby> GOD DAMN
[05:41] <r0bby> i mean
[05:41] <r0bby> \:X
[05:41] <r0bby> er
[05:41] <r0bby> disregard
[05:41] <disasm> marcelcole: i think i found something
[05:41] <SLicE_> hey guys, I kind of lost firefox from my menu and I was wondering what the command for firefox is
[05:41] <marcelcole> :o
[05:41] <mhz> marcelcole: but if you ever successfully make it work, please wiki the whole process in ubuntu wiki
[05:42] <marcelcole> what is it disasm?
[05:42] <disasm> http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/
[05:42] <disasm> you need to compile src though
[05:42] <fr500> how should i update from ubuntu hoary preview release 1 to hoary final? just apt-get upgrade?
[05:42] <marcelcole> :|
[05:42] <marcelcole> is there any precompiled?
[05:42] <crimsun> fr500: update your sources.list, then update && dist-upgrade
[05:42] <crimsun> fr500: make sure you read the upgrade caveats on the wiki
[05:43] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: try " mozilla-firefox"
[05:43] <fr500> crimsun, from hoary preview to hoary a lot of difference?
[05:43] <thoreauputic> or /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox
[05:43] <fr500> ok ganne read
[05:43] <marcelcole> which should I be getting HCF or HSF?
[05:43] <crimsun> fr500: some, yes
[05:43] <Siropel> hmmm ...how do i set the gateway so i can connect to the net ?
[05:43] <disasm> i dunno, you have to find out your hardware specs to know, do you dual boot with windows? that will tell you
[05:43] <mhz> has anyone successfully set up a USB snapscan e25 scanner??
[05:44] <marcelcole> no
[05:44] <mhz> or any USB scanner
[05:44] <marcelcole> I've got rid of windows
[05:44] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, didn't work
[05:44] <colphorbin> so do i just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop at the root terminal?
[05:44] <fr500> crimsun, it's a clear install luckiky so i can risk myself
[05:44] <colphorbin> how the hell is that supposed to get to my computer?
[05:44] <mhz> colphorbin: yep
[05:44] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, I'm wondering if its still installed cause I did something stupid
[05:44] <marcelcole> i'll download both HCF/HSF and try to install both
[05:44] <marcelcole> :D
[05:44] <mhz> colphorbin: automagically
[05:45] <MegaManX> mhz, my scanner works fine. It's a HP Scanjet 2200c
[05:45] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: what does ` which firefox`  or `which mozilla-firefox` return?
[05:45] <mhz> colphorbin: APT is a very fine designed tool
[05:45] <fr500> crimsun, using an updated cd would make my download lighter riight?
[05:45] <mhz> MegaManX: and just out of the box or you had to set path to firmaware and stuff ?
[05:45] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, no response just another line
[05:45] <colphorbin> terminal response: couldn't find kubuntu-desktop
[05:46] <MegaManX> mhz, nope, nothing. I just typed modprobe scanner, fired up xsane and it worked
[05:46] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: you must have uninstalled it
[05:46] <mhz> MegaManX: I envy you! :D
[05:46] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, how can I get it back?
[05:46] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, I don't know if I have another browser
[05:46] <MegaManX> mhz, nah, I had luck I guess :)
[05:46] <mhz> MegaManX: I've spend about 5 hours in total, googling, trying, posting, reading, etc
[05:46] <r0bby> I wanna play with breezy :/
[05:46] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[05:46] <crimsun> fr500: yes
[05:47] <mhz> colphorbin: try apt-get update first
[05:47] <colphorbin> so is the terminal response supposed to say that or do i need to go fetch soemthing
[05:47] <mhz> colphorbin: ommit the "first" though
[05:47] <mhz> :)
[05:47] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[05:47] <SLicE_> Reading package lists... Done
[05:47] <SLicE_> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:47] <SLicE_> mozilla-firefox is already the newest version.
[05:47] <SLicE_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
[05:47] <MegaManX> mhz, oh man, I hate when that happens :\. But what does it happen when you type "sudo modprobe scanner" and try to run xsane, for example?
[05:47] <colphorbin> ok
[05:47] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: erm...
[05:48] <mhz> colphorbin: APT auto-connects to repositories where it'll get the packages
[05:48] <thoreauputic> SLicE_:  dpkg -L mozilla-firefox | grep bin
[05:48] <jared> hi all!  one question - how do I fix the log in screen so I can log in as root from the log in screen?  I get the message "system adminstrator not allowed to log in" on that screen.
[05:48] <disasm> marcelcole: lspci -v|grep Modem
[05:48] <mhz> MegaManX: yep, no scanner :)
[05:48] <crimsun> jared: see the topic url regarding root
[05:48] <disasm> marcelcole: run that and tell me what it says
[05:48] <MegaManX> mhz, :(
[05:48] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, just went to the next line
[05:48] <mhz> MegaManX: but it is supposed to have that module
[05:49] <disasm> jared: now why would you want to run X as root?
[05:49] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: something is seriously b0rked...
[05:49] <mhz> MegaManX: because is hoarty?
[05:49] <jared> crimsun:  where do I find that?  and disasm - i need to move some files manually without the use of the console.
[05:49] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: how did you get into this mess?
[05:49] <MegaManX> mhz, I think so. I mean, I have had luck with that scanner since Mandrake 9.0 I think :)
[05:49] <crimsun> jared: /topic
[05:49] <disasm> jared: sudo nautilus them
[05:50] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, I was on ubuntuforums and I was trying to switch to xfce4 standalone and I entered the box of info into my console and restarted
[05:50] <mhz> MegaManX: the funny thing is that it get recognized :)
[05:50] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, I'd show you the line if I could open a browser
[05:50] <mhz> MegaManX: BUT it fails when "xscanimage"
[05:50] <Xnalz> hmmm installing ubuntu atm on my other comp do i want the base system or defualt(newbie to linux)?
[05:50] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: you just copy-pasted a script ? Without understanding it?
[05:50] <sproingie> default
[05:50] <sproingie> base system is bare minimum
[05:51] <Xnalz> ty
[05:51] <mhz> colphorbin: any luck updating? you should see a bunch of % lines
[05:51] <MegaManX> mhz, did you try to run sudo xsane?. This is not really a good idea, but maybe you don't have permissions for that device?
[05:51] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, more or less.....yes
[05:51] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: :/
[05:51] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, I knew what it did, just not what it did to firefox
[05:51] <jared> thanks for the help :)
[05:51] <mhz> MegaManX: yes, I did. same message
[05:51] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: well, looks like apt is now totally confused
[05:51] <disasm> thoreauputic: what commands did you issue?
[05:52] <disasm> err that was to SLicE_
[05:52] <MegaManX> mhz, :/
[05:52] <thoreauputic> disasm: um...
[05:52] <thoreauputic> ah OK
[05:52] <mhz> MegaManX: I may be missing a link (ln -s) to som,ething or just don't have usbdevfs (i do not have it)
[05:52] <fr500> wow 350mb to get to hoary final
[05:52] <fr500> ......
[05:52] <fr500> and then all my needed patches and configs
[05:52] <mhz> MegaManX: are you running hoarty?
[05:52] <disasm> SLicE_: if it helps tail -n 20 ~/.bash_history
[05:52] <fr500> well gotta be a fun night
[05:53] <colphorbin> i got zilch, it keeps telling me that the package is not found
[05:53] <MegaManX> Ubuntu Hoary 5.04 here. The one freely shipped :D
[05:53] <MegaManX> mhz, Ubuntu Hoary 5.04 here. The one freely shipped :D
[05:54] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, it does. I can show you what I entered
[05:54] <mhz> MegaManX: cool, can you please run:  cat /proc/filesystems |grep usb
[05:54] <mhz> and see how many usb cmatches?
[05:54] <colphorbin> this doesn't have anything to do with the fact that i have a dsl connection does it?
[05:54] <MegaManX> mhz, nodev   usbfs
[05:54] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: paste it on pastebin.com ... oh .. no in #flood I guess
[05:54] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core xfce4 synaptic gnome-sudo gdm acpi acpid powermanagement-interface mozilla-firefox
[05:54] <mhz> colphorbin: nop, as long as you have internet connection... cool
[05:55] <mhz> MegaManX: see? we're ok
[05:55] <mhz> same here
[05:55] <mhz> so, at least one less variable :)
[05:55] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: well, that should not have broken anything afaics
[05:55] <mhz> colphorbin: but did you update?
[05:56] <colphorbin> apt-get update?
[05:56] <MegaManX> strange that your scanner won't run :\ Have you had any luck with any other Linux distribution?
[05:56] <colphorbin> yes
[05:56] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: what does ` ls -l /usr/bin/firefox ` say?
[05:56] <MegaManX> mhz, strange that your scanner won't run :\ Have you had any luck with any other Linux distribution?
[05:56] <thoreauputic> if anything...
[05:56] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, no such file or directory
[05:56] <mhz> colphorbin: see... mhz@ubuntuno:~ $ sudo apt-cache search kubuntu
[05:56] <mhz> Password:
[05:56] <mhz> kubuntu-default-settings - Default settings and artwork for the Kubuntu desktop
[05:56] <mhz> kubuntu-desktop - Kubuntu desktop system
[05:56] <mhz> kubuntu-live - Kubuntu live system
[05:56] <mhz> mhz@ubuntuno:~ $
[05:57] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: try this: ` sudo apt-get install --reinstall mozilla-firefox `
[05:57] <mhz> MegaManX: I tried Knoppix, Morphix and Xevian
[05:57] <mhz> (well, all Debian :D )
[05:57] <MegaManX> :)
[05:57] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, I have liftoff you may be my hero
[05:58] <mhz> MegaManX: I'll try Mandrake :(
[05:58] <disasm> thoreauputic: --reinstall, going to have to remember that one, i always do --purge remove and then install
[05:58] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: if anythig else is missing, try the same syntax for that
[05:58] <colphorbin> it just returned me to root
[05:58] <colphorbin> argh!
[05:58] <mhz> colphorbin: do you accpet "queries" (personal chats)
[05:58] <ukato> hi, i need a windows emulator or something emulator like, and i was wondering what everyone recommended
[05:58] <thoreauputic> disasm: that way you lose your config as well
[05:59] <colphorbin> yeah sure
[05:59] <mhz> ukato: wine
[05:59] <MegaManX> mhz, I like Mandrake, but I found Ubuntu so nice. I think my top 5 OS would be Ubuntu, Gentoo, Slackware, SuSE, Mandrake :)
[05:59] <MegaManX> not in that order though :)
[05:59] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, I'm gonna test it
[05:59] <ukato> mhz, is that tough to set up?
[05:59] <disasm> thoreauputic: well, sometimes i leave off purge, but most of the time, i have the config backed up somewhere and i want to see remove my custom configs from the picture
[05:59] <fr500> Ubuntu is best for 1st time distro i think, and for end users
[05:59] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: if you type `which firefox` you should get an answer now
[05:59] <shido> ok
[05:59] <mhz> MegaManX: mine... Debian, Ubuntu, Getnoo, FreeBSD, Slackware
[06:00] <thoreauputic> disasm: horses for courses :)
[06:00] <shido> in KDE under ubuntu hoary - how do I add an item like a "terminal" to my mouse drop down menu?
[06:00] <MegaManX> oh yeah, FreeBSD is lovely, forgot that one :). I love Ports :D
[06:00] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, no firefox
[06:00] <thoreauputic> try mozilla-firefox then
[06:00] <mhz> ukato: don't know.. I am 100% FreeAsInFreedom, therefore, NO PROPIETARY OS ever!!!
[06:00] <fr500> i like Gentoo for custom applications
[06:00] <mhz> ukato: sorry
[06:00] <mhz> ukato: but there are many HowTos
[06:00] <disasm> thoreauputic: like when mailman b0rked on my debian sid install, couldn't get anything to work till i completely purged it, eventually i got it working and decided to switch to minimalist, much easier to setup...
[06:01] <Elsidox> im having problems with .ogg video files. They dont seem to play.
[06:01] <Elsidox> can anyone help?
[06:02] <nalioth> Elsidox: have you installed all your ogg pkgs?
[06:02] <ukato> ahaha
[06:02] <ukato> mhz, alright, i'll try that, thanks
[06:02] <mhz> :D
[06:02] <nalioth> Elsidox: theora is ogg video, i believe
[06:02] <colphorbin> mhz, how do you accept a query?
[06:02] <mhz> ukato: wine is not the only option, there are at least two more
[06:02] <Elsidox> nalioth, theroa is insatlled (by deafault)
[06:03] <ukato> but wine should work?
[06:03] <Elsidox> installed*
[06:03] <mhz> ukato: AFAIK, yes
[06:03] <nalioth> Elsidox: really? i had to install some ogg things
[06:03] <kvidell> I'm gunna leave.
[06:03] <kvidell> so there.
[06:03] <disasm> ukato: depends on the app its hit and miss to get working...
[06:03] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, I appreciate your help I just think I broke it like a moron
[06:03] <nalioth> Elsidox: perhaps using synaptic to find all ogg vorbis theora stuff?
[06:04] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: working? If not try ` sudo apt-get remove --purge mozilla-firefox && sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox `
[06:04] <Elsidox> nalioth, i searched for theora in synaptic and its all installed
[06:04] <ukato> disasm, if i was going to play some older games, would it work
[06:04] <ukato> in general
[06:04] <nalioth> Elsidox: ogg dosnt play in all your media players?
[06:04] <disasm> ukato: best to google for game name + linux
[06:04] <ukato> okay, thanks
[06:05] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: to install xfce4 all you really needed to do was type `sudo apt-get install xfce4 `
[06:05] <Elsidox> nalioth, I didnt understamd that question
[06:05] <disasm> SLicE_: try apt-get --purge remove mozilla-firefox && apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[06:05] <mhz> kvidell: good trip
[06:05] <Elsidox> nalioth, mp3s play wmv .mov plays everything play. Excpet for my .ogg files
[06:05] <thoreauputic> disasm: as I suggested above...
[06:06] <nalioth> Elsidox: do oggs play in totem, vlc, rhythmbox, mpg123, etc?
[06:06] <disasm> oh, you already suggested that...
[06:06] <disasm> hmmm....
[06:06] <nalioth> Elsidox: or is it just ONE app that doesnt play?
[06:06] <thoreauputic> disasm: oh well - confirmation  never hurts ;)
[06:06] <shido> how do you add things to the mouse drop down menu?
[06:06] <synd> shido: get smeg
[06:06] <Elsidox> nalioth, no apps play therse .ogg video files. They start to play than stop.
[06:07] <shido> what is smeg?
[06:07] <shido> in synaptic?
[06:07] <disasm> thoreauputic: only other thing i can think of is it's a bad download he has stored, what the command to remove already dl'd packages? apt-get clean?
[06:08] <nalioth> shido: you'll need to google "smeg" or read the wiki for the link
[06:08] <thoreauputic> disasm: yes - might be wortha shot
[06:08] <shido> ok thanks
[06:08] <MegaManX> Finally, got gdesklets/starterbar to work :D
[06:08] <thoreauputic> apt-get clean could help...
[06:08] <synd> nalioth: i thought smeg was in the repos?
[06:08] <nalioth> Elsidox: do you have gstreamer0.8-misc installed?
[06:08] <synd> apt* i mea
[06:08] <synd> n
[06:08] <nalioth> synd: i'm not sure, i don't use it
[06:08] <disasm> SLicE_: try sudo apt-get clean before doing a remove install
[06:08] <nalioth> synd: and i don't think it's in main
[06:08] <ukato> ok, thanks guys
[06:09] <MegaManX> snapshot: http://www.geocities.com/kooltux/snapshots/ubuntu/ubuntu01.jpg
[06:09] <Elsidox> nalioth, yes
[06:09] <MegaManX> gdesklets is sweet :D
[06:09] <nalioth> Elsidox: then i am at a loss
[06:09] <bob2> smeg isn't in hoary
[06:10] <neighborlee> is there a supermount package for ubuntu or is it in works for breezy possibly ?
[06:10] <Elsidox> nalioth, thanks anyways. =)
[06:10] <bob2> neighborlee: no
[06:10] <bob2> neighborlee: cds and usb things get handled automatically already
[06:10] <neighborlee> bob2:sorrry not specific enough..I mean for 'eject'
[06:10] <neighborlee> bob2: I mean sorry I wasn't specific enough..;-)
[06:11] <neighborlee> DAC1138, hi there dac ;-)
[06:11] <DAC1138> hey
[06:11] <bob2> neighborlee: supermount is a horrible horrible hack, afaik it's not on the cards at all
[06:11] <DAC1138> neighborlee, im keeping quiet for now
[06:11] <neighborlee> lol
[06:12] <DAC1138> neighborlee, im trying to figure out how to get kdenlive still
[06:12] <neighborlee> bob2: any idea why they left eject out of loop for automount ?
[06:12] <neighborlee> DAC1138, heh
[06:12] <DAC1138> neighborlee, im thinking i should get some kubuntu apt-get repos so apt-get can get kdenlive and the required libs
[06:12] <neighborlee> bob2: maybe submount is better ( what suse uses I think)
[06:13] <bob2> neighborlee: no one uses automount, either.  it's all gnome-volume-manager.
[06:13] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, I tried purge and install and clean, do I need to reboot?
[06:13] <disasm> SLicE_: did you do the install after the clean?
[06:13] <neighborlee> bob2: yes that is what I meant..I was just wondering why they chose not to allow eject to work instead of requiring right clicking icon to do it
[06:13] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: no, jsut try and run mozilla-firefox
[06:13] <thoreauputic> *just
[06:14] <MrGardenHoseMan> what kernel is the latest version of ubuntu runing?
[06:14] <MrGardenHoseMan> i can't find it anywhere
[06:14] <bob2> neighborlee: how could you make it work?  you only get unplug events from the usb controller after the user has unplugged it, and then it's too late
[06:14] <shido> hrmm
[06:14] <bob2> MrGardenHoseMan: hoary uses 2.6.10
[06:14] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks
[06:15] <neighborlee> bob2: somehow several distros do it so dont ask me..I was just hopeful it would work in my fav. distro soon  ;-))
[06:15] <shido> in kde I have create new , bookmarks, run command, etc - how do I add "Terminal" or something to this menu when I right click on the desktop
[06:15] <shido> ?
[06:15] <CountDown> MrGardenHoseMan: You can check from the terminal using "uname -a"
[06:15] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, damn it mozilla-firefox command not found
[06:15] <CountDown> SLicE_: try "firefox"
[06:15] <neighborlee> bob2: maybe mandriva uses the hack of supermount dunno <G>
[06:16] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: as disasm pointed out, you needed to do apt-get clean *before* purge and reinstall
[06:17] <disasm> neighborlee: the problem is your unplugging a mounted device, maybe the other distros clean up after it's unplugged better but it still isn't good to unplug a mounted device (unless there is some kind of hook so when you close the file manager it automagically unmounts the device, which i would consider a pain, not a feature) even windows xp you have to click on the ejecter to unmount a usb drive
[06:17] <nalioth> anyone know how to add to the KDE context menu?
[06:18] <SLicE_> I did
[06:18] <shido> something like [Mouse Buttons] 
[06:18] <shido> Middle=WindowListMenu
[06:18] <neighborlee> disasm, well I can't believe the major distros that support this 'feature' do it in  a hack fashion..but fine I get the general idea  here
[06:18] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, the first time I just did it purge and install, the second time I did clean, purge, then install
[06:19] <bob2> nalioth: #kubuntu would be a better place to ask
[06:19] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: hmmm... well, as a last resort maybe try ` sudo apt-get -f install ` with no packages
[06:19] <thoreauputic> just ` sudo apt-get -f install `
[06:19] <bob2> neighborlee: it is a pretty nasty hack, that's why it's not in the real kernel still, after so many years
[06:19] <nalioth> bob2 was askin for shido
[06:19] <bob2> nalioth: eh?
[06:19] <disasm> SLicE_: try /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin
[06:19] <nalioth> shido: bob2 suggests #kubuntu
[06:19] <neighborlee> bob2: oh ok
[06:19] <neighborlee> bob2: yikes
[06:20] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: does ` dpkg -L mozilla-firefox | grep bin ` return anything now?
[06:21] <SLicE_> no such file or directory for /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin
[06:21] <SLicE_> and nothing on dpkg -L mozilla-firefox | grep bin
[06:21] <bob2> SLicE_: dpkg -l mozilla-firefox| tail -n1
[06:21] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: that command I just gave should return about 8 lines
[06:22] <disasm> SLicE_: did it redownload when you did apt-get install?
[06:24] <tkiesel> Hi everyone.
[06:24] <disasm> SLicE_: after apt-get clean: ls /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla*     -   should display no such file or directory
[06:25] <tkiesel> Does anyone have a reccomendation for a live CD that's useful to rescue borked windows machines? I'm going to be taking on a bit of tech support overflow from a friend, and want to be prepared for weird cases.
[06:25] <bob2> tkiesel: ubuntu.
[06:25] <disasm> SLicE_: if it doesnt do rm /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox* - then do apt-get install mozilla-firefox (all those have sudo's btw)
[06:25] <inc595> anyone using fluxbox with ubuntu?
[06:25] <HrdwrBoB> tkiesel: UBDCD
[06:25] <bob2> inc595: lots of people have, it works well.
[06:25] <disasm> inc595: of course, what else is ther?
[06:26] <HrdwrBoB> Ultimate Boot CD
[06:26] <tkiesel> bob2: The Ubuntu Live CD has good a good spread of tools for that purpose?
[06:26] <HrdwrBoB> it has a live CD and many many other tools
[06:26] <bob2> SLicE_: what does " dpkg -l mozilla-firefox| tail -n1" print?
[06:26] <inc595> you guys got fbdesk working on it?
[06:26] <disasm> inc595: now why would i want icons on my desktop? no, i've never used it, sorry
[06:26] <tkiesel> Awesome suggestions everyone. I'll have some fun researching.
[06:27] <inc595> disasm, well you know sometimes I miss my little icons lol
[06:27] <disasm> tkiesel: ubcd has a live linux cd called insert, it has a bunch of good tools
[06:28] <disasm> inc595: isn't that what bbicons is for? put icons in the slit ;-)
[06:28] <SLicE_> disasm,  dpkg -l mozilla-firefox| tail -n1 prints ii  mozilla-firefo 1.0.4-1ubuntu2 dummy transitional package
[06:28] <thor|coffee> hmm
[06:28] <disasm> 1.0.4? now how did you do that?
[06:28] <tkiesel> Thanks, disarm.
[06:29] <disasm> SLicE_: ok, what do we have in sources.list?
[06:29] <thor|coffee> SLicE_: that's not a standard Ubuntu package
[06:29] <bob2> SLicE_: there you go
[06:29] <thor|coffee> SLicE_: are you using backports?
[06:29] <disasm> tkiesel: disarm??? it's ok, i get called that alot ;-)
[06:30] <thor|coffee> disasm: it must be your disarming manner ;)
[06:30] <SLicE_> disasm, my sources list is off the unofficial ubuntu guide
[06:30] <bob2> ding ding, we have a winner
[06:30] <disasm> SLicE_: link?
[06:30] <thor|coffee> inded
[06:30] <thor|coffee> indeed
[06:30] <tkiesel> Whooops!
[06:31] <disasm> SLicE_: i have a question, what packages do you use that aren't in hoary? and is it worth having a sources.list that breaks things to have those packages?
[06:31] <SLicE_> lol no
[06:31] <SLicE_> disasm, how do I show you the sources list I have
[06:32] <bob2> SLicE_: he command is firefox, btw
[06:32] <bob2> also, if you're using "backports", please tell people who are helping you to begin with
[06:32] <inc595> backports rock
[06:32] <inc595> lol
[06:32] <badkarma> anyone use 5.04 on amd64?
[06:33] <disasm> badkarma: yuppers, it rocks
[06:33] <badkarma> yes it does
[06:33] <sproingie> 5.04 == hoary?
[06:33] <HrdwrBoB> badkarma: yes
[06:33] <nalioth> badkarma: i'm on ppc, which is almost the same thing
[06:33] <HrdwrBoB> badkarma: optersons and amd64
[06:33] <disasm> SLicE_: wget http://irc.gentux.org:8000/sources.list
[06:33] <sproingie> it doth rock on amd64
[06:33] <badkarma> yeah, fairly close :)
[06:33] <inc595> nalioth, how you feel bout mac going to intel?
[06:34] <sproingie> tho i can't figure out how to make flash install in 32 bit firefox
[06:34] <disasm> SLicE_: thats a standard sources.list with multiverse added (using hoary) the main thing is it might break other packages you've already upgraded
[06:34] <sproingie> i hacked the installer to skip the arch check, but ff never detects the plugin
[06:34] <nalioth> inc595: i can see a powermac in 2k7 runnin two dual-core p4@4ghz
[06:34] <disasm> SLicE_: it goes in /etc/apt    -  and then you need to apt-get update
[06:34] <kdawg> tkiesel, http://www.sysresccd.org/ is my favorite
[06:35] <badkarma> a piece of shit mac though :(
[06:35] <SLicE_> disasm, ok I'll give it a shot
[06:35] <inc595> nalioth, dual booted with ubuntu
[06:35] <SLicE_> one sec
[06:35] <nalioth> inc595: of course!
[06:35] <badkarma> they shouldve just used opterons :-P
[06:36] <disasm> sproingie: the gplflash should work fine i haven't tried the proprietary (64bit binary non-existant, same with acroread)
[06:36] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: beware using pre-digested information without understanding it...
[06:36] <inc595> they still look pretty
[06:36] <nalioth> i can see apple using the price diff on the hardware to load the powermac up with just 'stupid' amounts of cpu power and ram
[06:37] <badkarma> thats all i can possibly imagine
[06:37] <inc595> or just raising the price with cheaper hardware ti increase profit margin
[06:37] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, believe me, I learned my lesson
[06:37] <shido> anyone know how to install openal
[06:37] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: :)
[06:37] <badkarma> lol
[06:37] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: well, it's all good then !
[06:38] <nalioth> inc595: they could maintain their pricepoint and use intel stuff and reap a great profit
[06:38] <disasm> thoreauputic: amd64 sources aren't different than x86 right? i looked in mine and it didn't say 64bit anywhere in them
[06:38] <thoreauputic> disasm: I don't know
[06:38] <thoreauputic> disasm: I only have ppc and i386
[06:38] <woodwizzle> How can I install inotify in hoary?
[06:39] <bob2> you can't, really
[06:39] <inc595> i thought when you compile from source your compiler takes care of that
[06:39] <disasm> woodwizzle: whats inotify?
[06:39] <woodwizzle> I thought i had it turned on, but udev did not create an device
[06:39] <woodwizzle> disasm: Its a kernel patch that makes beagle super awesome instead of just vanilla awesome
[06:39] <nalioth> inc595: yes you are correct
[06:39] <^thehatsrule^> i386 is x86 architecture...
[06:39] <disasm> woodwizzle: beagle?
[06:40] <nalioth> inc595: the compilation process knows what hardware it's in
[06:40] <badkarma> anyone know if there is a working gcc4?
[06:40] <bob2> badkarma: sure....it's even in hoary
[06:40] <bob2> you can't use it in general, tho
[06:40] <badkarma> ahhh
[06:40] <bob2> (where general = things that use C++)
[06:40] <inc595> need a working fbdesk
[06:40] <woodwizzle> disasm: http://www.beaglewiki.org/Main_Page
[06:41] <badkarma> so most everything then :-P
[06:41] <tkiesel> brb
[06:41] <bob2> woodwizzle: aiui, inotify in 2.6.10 was screwed, you'd need to make your own 2.6.12rc and make sure your inotify user stuff was ready
[06:41] <nmorse> anyone in here get sound in UT2004?
[06:41] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[06:42] <Miks> i already know how to mount an extra hard drive...but i want it to stay mounted all the time..and i also want that all the users have write access to it...how can i do that? because everytime i want to use that drive..i have to moun tit..and only root can make changes in it
[06:42] <woodwizzle> bob2: You can compile new kernels in ubuntu?
[06:42] <bob2> woodwizzle: of course
[06:42] <disasm> woodwizzle: ah, thats what find|grep is for ;-)
[06:42] <bob2> there's little point for 99% of people, tho
[06:42] <Nic> miks: it should be in ubuntuguide.org
[06:42] <psychonate> Miks, make an entry in /etc/fstab
[06:42] <nmorse> so, getting UT2004 sound working, any howto for that?
[06:43] <bob2> nmorse: 'pkill esd', try running it again
[06:43] <Miks> thanks Nic, psychonate
[06:43] <woodwizzle> disasm: yeah, but with inotify, if you make a new file after the search, beagle's search will update. Also beagle searches AIM logs, and Emails, and Webpage History and Tomboy notes...
[06:43] <nmorse> I killed every sound server running, didn't work
[06:43] <nalioth> Miks: put a line in your /etc/fstab  (google 'fstab howto' for info)
[06:43] <woodwizzle> bob2: Where do you get the source for the standard ubuntu kernel? or is it in /usr/src/linux alreadty
[06:43] <disasm> bob2: that stupid esd sneaking around... had me confused for so long when I jumped from gnome to fluxbox and tried running xmms....
[06:43] <bob2> woodwizzle: inotify support will only make it faster, not do anything new
[06:43] <thoreauputic> bob2: I hope breezy is deep-sixing esd - can you confirm or deny?
[06:43] <bob2> disasm: hehe
[06:43] <nalioth> woodwizzle: why would ubuntu linux be different than others?
[06:44] <bob2> thoreauputic: hrm, I think the plan is polypaudio, then just alsa+dmix in breezy+1
[06:44] <woodwizzle> nalioth, I dunno, everything just seems so neat and tidy and prepackaged. I came from gentoo where I had to do it all myself
[06:44] <thoreauputic> disasm: I have esd permanently gagged here :)
[06:44] <HrdwrBoB> alsa+dmix will be welcome
[06:44] <bob2> woodwizzle: well, as I said, I think inotify in 2.6.10 is screwed, so you'd need to go to 2.6.12 or something, so you'd have to get it from kernel.org...
[06:44] <thoreauputic> bob2: alsa + dmix is working here ...
[06:45] <ws004> mail.yahoo.com
[06:45] <Teknoenie> anyone good with web design available to answer a totally off-topic question for a fellow Ubuntu user
[06:45] <woodwizzle> bob2 ah i c. What about breezy?? do the breezy kernels have inotify?
[06:45] <Teknoenie> pwease :)
[06:45] <nalioth> woodwizzle: linux is linux, no matter how fancy it appears
[06:45] <bob2> woodwizzle: breezy kernels are still screwed, aiui
[06:45] <disasm> bob2: personally, i would kinda like to see jack become the standard, allowing multiple apps to connect to the same sound server, but most apps just don't take advantage of it yet (mostly only used in recording situations right now)
[06:46] <sproingie> isn't the whole point of a mixer to let multiple apps connect to the sound server?
[06:46] <bob2> disasm: well, dmix is even simpler than that, but has issues with some cards
[06:46] <thoreauputic> disasm: jackd is kinda temperamental here ( but I've only played with it)
[06:46] <bob2> sproingie: s/mixer/sound server/, yea
[06:46] <nalioth> Teknoenie: pwease what is yer ??
[06:47] <shido> speaking of mixers, how do I get more than jut my 2 front speakers to play sound ?
[06:47] <woodwizzle> bummer, guess I'll just wait :)
[06:47] <Teknoenie> it's about implementing a feature
[06:47] <disasm> bob2: dmix, going to have to play with that some, whats its issue with cards? not alsa supported?
[06:47] <sproingie> i see the sound server as being the more friendly front-end to /dev/mixer
[06:47] <sproingie> am i mistaken in this?
[06:47] <bob2> disasm: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[06:47] <bob2> sproingie: yes
[06:47] <bob2> sproingie: /dev/mixer is the device node used to alter volumes/balances/etc
[06:48] <sproingie> so it doesn't actually mix
[06:48] <bob2> sproingie: a sound server mixes various sound streams and dumps them to /dev/dsp or /dev/snd/pcmX
[06:48] <nmorse> is there a HOWTO on commercial games somewhere?
[06:48] <sproingie> so /dev/mixer doesn't mix
[06:48] <sproingie> what a retarded name
[06:48] <bob2> sproingie: er
[06:48] <bob2> a) CoC
[06:48] <bob2> b) it's mixing in the sense of altering volumes
[06:48] <Teknoenie> nmorse, in what context
[06:48] <bob2> which is confusing but valid
[06:48] <nmorse> How to get them to run
[06:48] <tkiesel> I replaced my ancient Sound Blaster Live with an M-Audio Delta 410 last night. ESD had some complaints.  I can't seem to get both ESD and ALSA to simultaneously be happy, but oh well. ;)
[06:48] <thoreauputic> !conduct
[06:48] <ubotu> [conduct]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view
[06:49] <Xnalz> hmmm i have been installing ubuntu for about an hour now and the screen  turned black with one underscore just sitting at the top left of the screen, is this supposed to happen?
[06:49] <nmorse> Like, say, getting sound to work in Neverwinter Nights and getting UT2004's sound to work
[06:49] <bob2> tkiesel: sblive is probably the easiest card to use with linux
[06:49] <bob2> nmorse: did you kill esd?
[06:49] <nmorse> Yeah
[06:49] <tkiesel> Xnalz: Install shouldn't take a whole hour.. at least.. I think not.
[06:49] <nmorse> though I'm technically in KDE, so I killed artsd too
[06:49] <bob2> ok
[06:49] <nmorse> I wonder if it's using the wrong sound card?
[06:50] <nmorse> It should be using my SB Live! not my integrated nForce
[06:50] <bob2> tkiesel: since they do hardware mixing, so you can just get all your apps to use it directly, and not have to worry about esd, etc
[06:50] <tkiesel> bob2: I'm sure it is, which is good. My wife and I are making a comp for a friend in need with spare parts.  Putting Ubuntu on it. :)  He's got zero linux experience, but I'm confident he'll have a ball with it.
[06:50] <Xnalz> tkiesel: but it is just sitting there, can't hear it writting data any more, should I reboot
[06:50] <bob2> tkiesel: ah
[06:51] <tkiesel> bob2: And I'm going to have lots of fun with the M-Audio, Ardour and Audacity. :)  After a few minutes of fiddling last night, I think everything is working to my satisfaction. :)
[06:51] <tkiesel> Xnalz: Yeah, you might need to.  Did you burn the CD you're installing from?
[06:52] <Xnalz> yes
[06:52] <bob2> tkiesel: hah, yay
[06:52] <ingo> hey, i got this problem with sound. It works with flash/java in mozilla but otherwise i get "ALSA device "default" does not exist" when i try to open a audio/video file. anybody have a clue how to sort it out?
[06:52] <rixth> Is there anyway to convert a vfat partition o ext3 (or 2) without losing the data?
[06:52] <disasm> thoreauputic: i think SLicE_ gave up or got it working
[06:52] <tkiesel> Xnalz: Did you burn it at the highest speed your burner can use? I had issues with burning install discs at high speed. Causing errors I think.
[06:52] <nmorse> okay, where's the alsa config file in Ubuntu?
[06:53] <thoreauputic> disasm: I hope the latter, but fear the former may be true
[06:53] <stargirl> hey people
[06:53] <ingo> ?
[06:53] <Xnalz> tkiesel: not sure burned at default speed
[06:53] <tkiesel> Hiya ingo, petitohaime, Rockett and stargirl.
[06:53] <stargirl> I've got a question about usb ethernet and kaweth
[06:53] <ingo> hi
[06:53] <bob2> rixth: no
[06:53] <Xnalz> tkiseel: rebooted  and it looks liek it is back to reinstalling the whole thing again *takes a nap*
[06:54] <psychonate> Anyone use an onboard intel video adapter?
[06:54] <rixth> bob2, as I though.t
[06:54] <stargirl> so I just installed ubuntu on a sony C1VN (C1VE in europe) and I've got a USB ethernet device I wish to use
[06:54] <psychonate> Should this use the generica "vga" driver?
[06:54] <disasm> thoreauputic: same here
[06:54] <tkiesel> Xnalz: Hmmm. If you restart the install, and hit escape while it's asking you questions about your setup, you'll get a menu. You can scroll down, and near the bottom, there'll be a menu item for testing the install disc. It'll check to see if the disc is error-free.
[06:54] <psychonate> s/generica/generic
[06:54] <stargirl> the problem is that dmesg says stuff abotu kaweth.c error triggering firmware -- does anyone have any ideas as to what to do?
[06:55] <thoreauputic> disasm: I used to recommend the ubuntuguide: I no longer do for these kinds of reasons
[06:55] <disasm> stargirl: whats the chipset?
[06:55] <tkiesel> Xnalz: That was the only problem I had with installing Ubuntu.. I had errors on the disc, so I made sure to burn the disc sloooww.  2x or 3x.  That seemed to fix it.
[06:55] <stargirl> disasm: hold on...
[06:56] <Xnalz> okies, thank yas
[06:56] <tkiesel> Xnalz: No problem. :)  I hope that that solves your issue. Welcome to Ubuntu!
[06:56] <ingo> i dont get this...sound works in mozilla but not with totem
[06:56] <disasm> stargirl: if it helps the two i've come across most is rtl8150 and pegasus
[06:56] <tkiesel> ingo: Both simultaneously?
[06:56] <stargirl> disasm: (I'm googling -- it's a netgear EA 101, but I dunno offhand what chipset that is)
[06:57] <ingo> tkiesel, no
[06:57] <tkiesel> ingo: Hrrrrrm.
[06:57] <ingo> when i try to use totem, i get "ALSA device "default" does not exist."
[06:57] <disasm> stargirl: whats lspci -v read? and is it showing in ifconfig -a?
[06:57] <tkiesel> ingo: Are you wanting to use ESD?
[06:58] <ingo> hmm
[06:58] <disasm> netgear ea-101 i think thats the 10base ones we have laying around at work somewhere...
[06:58] <ingo> yes
[06:58] <ingo> i want to use ESD if possible at all
[06:58] <tkiesel> ingo: I've been spending a lot of time in System->Preferences->Multimedia Systems Selector in the last 48 hours to play with my sound.
[06:59] <thoreauputic> does anyone here actually *like* the Konversation IRC client (loaded question I guess....)
[06:59] <tkiesel> I think Totem might grab which sound daemon to use from that selector.
[06:59] <tkiesel> I... think.  lol
[06:59] <ingo> i got an error msg when i clicked test, "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ESD - Enlightenment Sound Daemon'"
[06:59] <disasm> stargirl: oh, im a moron, kaweth is a kernel driver ;-)
[07:00] <tkiesel> But the Alsa test works?
[07:00] <ingo> none of them work
[07:00] <ingo> Alsa, OSD, ESD...
[07:00] <stargirl> disasm: I'm a moron too apparently -- I unplugged the device, plugged it in again and no it all works
[07:00] <tkiesel> thoreauputic: Never used it, so I've got no opinion. :)
[07:00] <stargirl> no clue why :-)
[07:00] <ingo> they all give me the same error msg
[07:00] <stargirl> but I'm glad it's fixed ;-)
[07:01] <tkiesel> ingo:  Icky.  Hrrrm.,  Well, that's well and truly out of my league.  Sound on Linux is pretty much my tops learnign priority now, but as of yet, I know precious little.
[07:01] <ingo> oh well
[07:01] <disasm> stargirl: well, glad its working for you, thats what i was going to suggest next actually ;-)
[07:02] <ingo> i guess i'll have to look some more into it
[07:02] <mhz> bye you all
[07:02] <tkiesel> Good night, mhz.
[07:02] <thoreauputic> tkiesel: I didn't stay in Konversation for long... I just took one look and ran *g*
[07:02] <ingo> i'm a windows user myself
[07:02] <tkiesel> thoreauputic: Heehee.
[07:02] <ingo> just want to break free from M$
[07:02] <Eighth> my hoary box keeps locking up :/
[07:02] <disasm> tkiesel: the advantage to irssi is you don't have to be running linux to use it, just ssh from any os that has an ssh client (carry putty on a usb stick)
[07:03] <tkiesel> My wife still uses Windows. She tried switching to Ubuntu last weekend, and couldn't.  Photoshop in Wine was unusable for her, and that's her main deal-breaker app.
[07:03] <dtorg29> Hey i am looking for some different fonts i have looked on gnome-look.org and nothing, does anyone know any where i would be able to find any? thanks
[07:03] <disasm> ingo: the well known ancient linux audio test... cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp if you here static, your sound works...
[07:04] <ingo> oooh
[07:04] <thoreauputic> tkiesel: I've heard Photoshop 7 (number?) works with Crossover Office
[07:04] <tkiesel> disasm: That sounds pretty nice.  I learned the power and wonderfulness of SSH last week when my wife and I were setting up the webserver at the school district I teach at.  Now our webserver runs Ubuntu. *le grin*
[07:04] <thoreauputic> tkiesel: but that's totally anectdotal...
[07:05] <Xnalz> tkiesel: if there is a problem will it just stop at one point at the disc and keep spinning and sound like its aobut to overheat?
[07:05] <disasm> tkiesel: isn't funny how what you use at home ends up being what infiltrates your workplace and friends houses ;-)
[07:05] <Xnalz> with the disc scan I mena
[07:05] <Xnalz> *mean
[07:05] <tkiesel> thoreauputic: It does. That's what she was using.  But, according to a cxoffice dev I talked to here in IRC, a conflict between Windows-style scheduling and Linux-stle scheduling is responsible for laggy performance of the brushes. it made fine detail work impossible for her.  That's what did it.
[07:05] <disasm> s/isn't/isn't it
[07:05] <sproingie> disasm: it's exactly how windows succeeded
[07:05] <ingo> disasm, i get "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp"
[07:05] <ingo> doh..
[07:06] <nalioth> tkiesel: you might install gimpshop for your other
[07:06] <thoreauputic> tkiesel: ah, i see - what a shame :/
[07:06] <tkiesel> Xnalz: I'm honestly not sure. But it seemign to totally freeze is a pretty good sign that something went wrong. :(
[07:06] <ingo> disasm, i get "bash: /dev/dsp: No such device"
[07:06] <nalioth> dtorg29: any ttf font will work here
[07:06] <ingo> what am i doing wrong?
[07:06] <disasm> ingo: what sound card?
[07:06] <ingo> soundblaster live
[07:07] <Eighth> anyone hear of a fairly fresh install randomly freezing for no apparent reason?
[07:07] <disasm> type lsmod|grep emu
[07:07] <disasm> ingo: ^^
[07:07] <nalioth> Eighth: is your hardware in good health?
[07:07] <Eighth> absolutely
[07:07] <QMario> How do I change the permissions of a certain file that can only be changed by root?
[07:07] <tkiesel> disasm: Yeah, that's true. In this case, our district tech director is moving on to another job, and wanted me to be in charge of the webserver, so I got to put what I wanted. Debian Woody was a little old to run the Mambo site my wife is developing, so on Ubuntu went!
[07:07] <dtorg29> nalioth: Actually i am looking for a site, I am looking for fonts i can use on my desktop something different and unique..
[07:07] <ingo> snd_emu10k1
[07:07] <nin> brb!!
[07:07] <nalioth> qmario prepend your command with "sudo"
[07:08] <thoreauputic> QMario: sudo chmod  xxx <file>
[07:08] <tkiesel> nalioth: Yeah, I've been looking into Gimpshop, but she has a lot invested in plugins.. and the lion's share of them are in a format that Gimp doesn't read.
[07:08] <thoreauputic> where xxx are numbers...
[07:08] <disasm> ingo: that should be right... what happens if you run alsamixer?
[07:08] <ingo> it comes up
[07:08] <disasm> tkiesel: is gimpshop different than gimp, or just a name?
[07:08] <ingo> Card: USB Device 0x46d:0x8a2
[07:09] <disasm> and it says emu10k1?
[07:09] <thoreauputic> disasm: the interface is cloned on photoshop I believe
[07:09] <tkiesel> disasm: It's a config-hacked Gimp, to make it work more like Photoshop.. menus, etc.
[07:09] <ingo> it says "Card: USB Device 0x46d:0x8a2" and "Chip: USB Mixer"
[07:09] <disasm> ah... never seen it before
[07:10] <Xnalz> tkiesel: sorry to bother ya again, just scanned it and it said the cd was fine...?
[07:10] <disasm> tkiesel: is it in ubuntu?
[07:10] <tkiesel> Yeah. Like Thor said: interface.  Though, it still has a proliferation of separate windows that makes Gimp feel like it wastes too much screen space.  Ugh.
[07:10] <disasm> ingo: lsmod|grep snd
[07:11] <ingo> okey, what am i looking for there?
[07:11] <disasm> ingo: what other snd stuff there is
[07:11] <disasm> usb makes me wonder if you have other cards
[07:11] <ingo> there is a built-in card in the mobo
[07:11] <disasm> ingo: cause i assumed alsamixer would say emu10k1
[07:12] <nalioth> disasm: gimpshop has been remade to look (pulldowns, labels) like photoshop
[07:12] <tkiesel> Xnalz: Well, if it said that, and it freezes on install at the same point every time, you'll have to find someone more knowledgable than me. One thing I did to verify that my burned copy was good was to rip an ISO image off of the disc... take an md5 sum of that ISO, and compare to the MD5 of the iso I'd burned from.  If they matched, the burn was absolutely perfect.
[07:12] <disasm> nalioth: is it in ubuntu, i did apt-cache search gimp|grep shop with no result
[07:12] <tkiesel> disasm: I don't think it's in any of the repos, no.  I never really installed it, just grepped screenshots.
[07:12] <ingo> the sb live card i'm using is pci and there is a built in card wich i dont remember what its called
[07:12] <Xnalz> tkiesel: will do ty
[07:13] <nalioth> disasm: it has to be compiled from source, but it compile cleanly
[07:13] <thoreauputic> disasm: no I don't think it's in Ubuntu
[07:13] <nalioth> disasm: google "gimpshop"
[07:13] <tkiesel> Xnalz: Sorry that it's been an ordeal. It was for me too, but when I finally got it installed.. I never looked back, and I totally switched to Ubuntu from Windows. :)
[07:14] <disasm> ok, i might check it out for my sisters machine, she uses photoshop at school, and she complained gimp doesn't look like photoshop when I gave her a free linux computer (currently running xandros, but since i found ubuntu is so slick and user friendly, that'll be changing)
[07:14] <nootrope> hiya. anyone know if the Debian version of Privoxy will run okay on Ubuntu?
[07:14] <tkiesel> disasm: The primary UI difference between the two remains.
[07:15] <imaek> How can I tell if a) I have the kernel header files installed and b) if so, what is the path to them?>
[07:15] <tkiesel> disasm: Photoshop uses one parent window for everything, Gimp uses separate windows for everything.
[07:16] <thoreauputic> nootrope: privoxy is available in Ubuntu - Universe repository
[07:16] <humbraro> does anybody here have experience with loopback-encrypted filesystems?
[07:16] <nootrope> thoreauputic: thanks! din't know...
[07:16] <tkiesel> nootrope: I don't know, but I've installed a fair amount of Debian stuff here and there with no issues so far. The most you risk is having to use dpkg to purge it if it doesn't work.
[07:16] <humbraro> i'd like to know if you can set one up in a file, and not eat up an entire partition
[07:16] <foodcoman> Loopback.  Saw a wiki somewhere
[07:16] <humbraro> foodcoman: reading the wiki now
[07:16] <thoreauputic> nootrope: you're welcome :)
[07:18] <foodcoman> humbraro: that was what I saw.  I havent tried it yet.
[07:18] <foodcoman> humbraro: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/EncryptedFilesystemHowto
[07:18] <imaek> How can I tell the path to my kernel header files?
[07:18] <humbraro> foodcoman: ya, i'm reading that page, but i don't have a spare partition lying around to nuke for the vault
[07:19] <humbraro> hmm, maybe i should install a seperate drive
[07:20] <Razor-X> Windows needs a friggin CLI MP3 player
[07:20] <Razor-X> gah, Linux has spoiled me
[07:20] <Razor-X> to come back to..... Windows.... feels so... nasty
[07:21] <SLicE_> disasm, I got lost but my question simply is, I had a backup of my normal sources list and I have the gentoo list you sent me which one do I use?
[07:21] <disasm> tkiesel: personally, i think the multiple windows is more functional, you can have them in separate workspaces in fluxbox, and only see what you want, more customizeable, but i guess no workspaces in windows (without bb4win that is)
[07:21] <disasm> SLicE_: the gentoo list?
[07:21] <nootrope> thoreauputic: know anything about Tor?
[07:21] <SLicE_> disasm, my mistake http://irc.gentux.org:8000/sources.list
[07:21] <disasm> SLicE_: oh, gentux, make sure you backup your old, put my sources.list in /etc/apt then do apt-get update
[07:22] <SLicE_> gotcha
[07:22] <disasm> then try apt-get install mozilla-firefox and see what happens
[07:22] <SLicE_> disasm, thanks I'll update in a sec
[07:22] <thoreauputic> nootrope: no, sorry
[07:22] <nalioth> Razor-X: cygwin + mpg123 ?
[07:22] <humbraro> tkiesel: i recall seeing a patch for the gimp which made it look more like photoshop, but i think its only for the windoze version
[07:23] <tkiesel> disasm:Yeah. Ultimately, it comes down to user preference. If the Gimp devs manage to make that behavior user selectable, so that both preference camps can have it their way.. and if they can get compativbility going for more PS plugin formats, my wife'll switch and go GNU/Linux without looking back.
[07:23] <thoreauputic> disasm: he didn't give up after all :)
[07:23] <nalioth> humbraro: tkiesel it's called gimpshop, and compiles cleanly on ubuntu
[07:23] <tkiesel> humbraro: I looked into it. It went part of the way in looks, but doesn't change the window/UI behavior.
[07:24] <nootrope> thoreauputic: it's an onion skin client/server, works with privoxy. check tor.eff.org if curious.
[07:24] <thoreauputic> nootrope: OK thanks :)
[07:24] <humbraro> cool
[07:24] <nootrope> thoreauputic: g'nite!
[07:24] <Razor-X> nalioth: I was thinking about that
[07:25] <Razor-X> there's already a native mp123 build out for Windows (by Japanese people) though
[07:25] <Razor-X> I was wondering if it was possible to run cplay using it
[07:25] <Razor-X> or mcplay
[07:25] <imaek> How can I download an apt-get package so that I can burn it for a friend without internet?
[07:25] <dr_willis> i think i saw that  mentioned on the ubuntu faq's somewhere imaek
[07:25] <thoreauputic> imaek: use the -d flag for apt-get
[07:25] <dr_willis> i skimmed them the otehr day. :P
[07:26] <thoreauputic> imaek: for "download only"
[07:26] <dr_willis> but how will apt-get know whats on his system?
[07:26] <dr_willis> there could be some dependencies eh?
[07:26] <thoreauputic> dr_willis: this is true
[07:26] <thoreauputic> imaek: it may not be that simple, unfortunately
[07:27] <imaek> hrm...
[07:27] <tkiesel> Be sure. Get all of the dependancies too, and take them as well.
[07:27] <foodcoman> I have a buddy in the same boat as imaek's!
[07:27] <thoreauputic> imaek: an "apt-get package" usually is actually a bunch of packages
[07:27] <nickrud> sorry to butt in, but apt-get download -d works for dependencies (I did this for a long time on dialup)
[07:27] <imaek> thoreauputic: this is only one (linux-kernel-headers
[07:28] <thoreauputic> imaek: ah, that should be OK as long as you get the *exact* version
[07:28] <imaek> nevermind
[07:28] <SLicE_> disasm, I did everything up to apt-get update and I don't have any crazy repository list anymore
[07:28] <SLicE_> the nerim stuff is gone
[07:28] <imaek> i found a mirror: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/devel/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[07:29] <nobile> why oh why do I still have windows?
[07:29] <imaek> Thanks, though, thoreauputic.
[07:29] <thoreauputic> imaek: OK :)
[07:30] <nickrud> if i remember correctly, /var/log/aptitude shows what was downloaded, but not installed
[07:30] <SLicE_> disasm, what order do I go in for clean purge and install
[07:31] <disasm> SLicE_: apt-get --purge remove mozilla-firefox &&  apt-get clean && apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[07:33] <nickrud> and I was very suprised when I read the sarge release notes :)
[07:34] <WhiteRabbit> nickrud, about the security mixup lol
[07:34] <SLicE_> disasm, looked like it worked.  Moment of truth...... type in the console mozilla-firefox?
[07:34] <disasm> SLicE_: yeah
[07:34] <nickrud> WhiteRabbit I saw the announcement :)
[07:35] <disasm> nickrud: what announcement?
[07:35] <nickrud> I bet there are a lot of coasters out there :)
[07:35] <SLicE_> disasm, you and thoreauputic are so mind blowingly intelligent that I'm voting for you both
[07:35] <thoreauputic> :D
[07:35] <tkiesel> Heehee
[07:35] <disasm> it works? yeah!!!
[07:35] <thoreauputic> |o/
[07:35] <thoreauputic> yay !
[07:35] <SLicE_> disasm, hell yea it works!
[07:35] <SLicE_> woohoo
[07:36] <SLicE_> <---overjoyed and slightly ecstatic
[07:36] <disasm> ok, now you have xfce4 and firefox, a few more weeks and you'll be ready to give fluxbox a shot ;-)
[07:36] <SLicE_> baby steps.  I didn't even know where my sources list was ;-)
[07:36] <thoreauputic> *grin*
[07:37] <disasm> SLicE_: however, i like xfce4 too, it's pretty good ;-)
[07:37] <disasm> thoreauputic: you use flux?
[07:37] <thoreauputic> disasm: indeed - i compiled my own :)
[07:37] <SLicE_> so its not really possible to run xfce4 standalone?
[07:37] <disasm> sweet ;-) what new features are worth compiling? *contemplates rolling his own*
[07:38] <pepsi_> what's needed to get x to start in breezy?
[07:38] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: sure it is - but don't try it now...
[07:38] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, not even slightly, as long as firefox pops back up on my gnome menu I'm gonna be ok
[07:38] <SLicE_> I LOVE linux!
[07:38] <SLicE_> more than a friend!
[07:38] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: it should be fine now
[07:39] <nalioth> SLicE_: what to you mean standalone/
[07:39] <disasm> SLicE_: just wait till you get comfortable with all the file locations and understand the system a little better ;-)
[07:39] <thoreauputic> pepsi_: much guruness...
[07:39] <disasm> nalioth: i think he means no gdm, not sure though
[07:39] <imaek> When I have a "linux-headers-[version] " package installed, where does it place the linux headers?
[07:39] <SLicE_> disasm, believe me I will.  I better learn gnome first
[07:39] <SLicE_> nalioth, I just wanted it without the gnome involved
[07:40] <thoreauputic> imaek: dpkg -L <package> to see file locations
[07:40] <disasm> SLicE_: if you learn more than how to use the menu and desktop, you probly no more than i ever did about gnome ;-)
[07:40] <nalioth> SLicE_: so use the "K desktop Manager" or kdm
[07:40] <SLicE_> nalioth, small clean system just ubuntu and xfce4.  But I can wait til I am more knowledgable
[07:40] <nalioth> SLicE_: the "gnome desktop mangager" isnt "gnome"
[07:40] <imaek> Thanks... again(!) thoreauputic.
[07:41] <thoreauputic> imaek: no worries :)
[07:41] <disasm> SLicE_: xdm would work because that read your .xinitrc i believe, but thats a project for another day ;-)
[07:41] <Amaranth> KarlosII: what do you mean by that?
[07:41] <Amaranth> KarlosII: They can't ship things that are illegal.
[07:41] <SLicE_> nalioth, whats the difference?
[07:42] <disasm> SLicE_: gdm is the login screen gnome is the desktop
[07:42] <nalioth> SLicE_: not enough to discuss, they both offer similar experience
[07:42] <SLicE_> disasm, when I go under sessions I still have some sessions that I removed such as xfce4 and icewm, and e17(which never got installed)
[07:42] <disasm> SLicE_: i still haven't gotten rid of gdm, i like having the options to choose from (kdm has it too i believe)
[07:43] <SLicE_> disasm, I get it
[07:43] <SLicE_> its just like lilo
[07:43] <Amaranth> KarlosII: ?
[07:43] <SLicE_> you can choose your flavor
[07:43] <KarlosII> no but, it seems like no matter what multimedia player I install it doesn't work well on hoary. basically I want have one multimedia player that will play all video/audio files and work well as a embedded player in firefox on a hoary/breezy distro
[07:43] <disasm> yeah, sorta i guess
[07:43] <pepsi_> thoreauputic, i heard there was a way around it, a quick fix :)
[07:43] <KarlosII> and all I need to do is add the codecs
[07:43] <Amaranth> KarlosII: Ah, you want totem then. :)
[07:43] <disasm> KarlosII: mplayer/mplayerplug-in
[07:44] <KarlosII> mplayer mplayer plugin don't work on this: javascript:playVideo('mms://ctvbroadcast.ctv.ca/video/2005/06/08/ctvvideologger1_143kbps_2005_06_08_1118281192.wmv', 'mms://ctvbroadcast.ctv.ca/video/2005/06/08/ctvvideologger1_45kbps_2005_06_08_1118281271.wmv', '00:04:38.87', '00:02:53.17', 'CTV News: David Akin explains the proposed changes', 'CTVNews', 'filesharing_laws_050608', '20050608','ctvnews.20050608.00102000-00102233-clip2', 'Top
[07:44] <KarlosII> Stories');
[07:44] <thoreauputic> pepsi_: umm - I'm not risking Breezy for a while... someone else might know
[07:44] <SLicE_> anyway thanks again disasm and thoreauputic you guys were an extraordinary amount of help.  But now I'm gonna watch anchorman and go to bed
[07:44] <disasm> KarlosII: thats the only one i know that acts as a plugin for firefox, and mplayer handles everything except dvd menus
[07:44] <Amaranth> KarlosII: totem-gstreamer with the mozilla plugin + gstreamer-pitfdll == if it doesn't play something, there must be something wrong with the source
[07:44] <SLicE_> you stay classy san diego
[07:44] <KarlosII> www.ctv.ca any video files there
[07:44] <thoreauputic> KarlosII: you should know better...
[07:44] <KarlosII> hmm
[07:45] <KarlosII> what oh the long single line?
[07:45] <Amaranth> pepsi_: You installed breezy after all the warnings and what broke?
[07:45] <thoreauputic> KarlosII: 6 lines here... :/
[07:45] <KarlosII> hmm
[07:45] <KarlosII> 2 lines here
[07:45] <KarlosII> :)
[07:45] <KarlosII> sry
[07:45] <thoreauputic> OK :)
[07:45] <pepsi_> Amaranth, i was fully aware that it was broken before installing it
[07:45] <SLicE_> later all
[07:45] <Amaranth> pepsi_: what broke?
[07:46] <pepsi_> x wont start, as has been the problem for the past month
[07:46] <pepsi_> why are you laughing?
[07:46] <Amaranth> i have hacks on top of hacks on top of hacks to make X work, and i don't even remember them
[07:46] <Seveas> Amaranth, lol :)
[07:46] <disasm> KarlosII: mplayer -playlist mms://ctvbroadcast.ctv.ca/video/2005/06/08/ctvvideologger1_143kbps_2005_06_08_1118281192.wmv
[07:47] <pepsi_> Amaranth, ive installed breezy before, as well.. decided to try it again
[07:47] <Seveas> jdub, around..?
[07:47] <nalioth> pepsi_: is a masochist
[07:47] <KarlosII> disasm, uhh
[07:47] <tkiesel> Properly commenting your code is a must. ;) *said as if I actually do that..*
[07:48] <KarlosII> be nice if I just click on it and it worked
[07:48] <Amaranth> pepsi_: I had to symlink fonts, some xkbcomp stuff, a crap load of binaries from /usr/X11R6/bin/ to /usr/bin (or vice-versa), and probably some other things
[07:48] <disasm> KarlosII: yeah, i know, i just figured i'd tell you what was needed for it to work right
[07:48] <Amaranth> KarlosII: The totem mozilla plugin isn't in hoary.
[07:48] <KarlosII> Amaranth, where do I find it for ff?
[07:49] <Amaranth> KarlosII: It's in breezy.
[07:49] <Amaranth> KarlosII: You'll have to wait for breezy to stabilize.
[07:49] <KarlosII> oh
[07:50] <Amaranth> KarlosII: Do _not_ upgrade. Read a couple of pepsi_'s last lines to see why.
[07:50] <tkiesel> There are a few nice media-through-firefox HOWTOs on the forums.
[07:51] <KarlosII> Amaranth, heh
[07:51] <KarlosII> next sept :)
[07:51] <nalioth> KarlosII: wait til it says "release candidate" in breezys version number
[07:51] <Amaranth> nalioth: That's like 2 weeks before breezy ships
[07:51] <nalioth> Amaranth: and so there shouldnt be too many problems, eh?
[07:52] <KarlosII> Nakkel, heh
[07:52] <KarlosII> err nalioth
[07:52] <KarlosII> Amaranth, only 2 weeks?
[07:52] <Amaranth> KarlosII: somewhere around there
[07:52] <KarlosII> kOol I can wait :)
[07:53] <Amaranth> not two weeks from now
[07:53] <KarlosII> about
[07:53] <Amaranth> the release candidate comes out two weeks before breezy releases
[07:53] <disasm> i should get on the devel mailing list and put breezy on my desktop just been too lazy lately (and freevo isn't in ubuntu...) maybe i'll dual boot it with gentoo...
[07:53] <KarlosII> oh
[07:53] <KarlosII> :)
[07:53] <KarlosII> disasm, get another comp
[07:54] <disasm> KarlosII: i dont care that much about my desktop, my laptop is my primary machine, all my laptop does is run freevo for watching movies and playing nes/snes roms, nothing a simple reboot can't remedy...
[07:56] <synd> is breezy going to be much different?
[07:56] <KarlosII> I hope so :)
[07:57] <Avinoam> Whenever I try to connect to the internet with my cable modem, the DHCP request fails. Why?
[07:57] <nalioth> synd: isnt it past your bedtime :P
[07:57] <synd> no!
[07:58] <Xnalz> there are such a things a win loyalist?
[07:58] <nalioth> synd: so you're awake for that? (takes little effort)
[07:58] <synd> Xnalz: apparently so
[07:59] <Xabbu|> sure does, but why do it? Mac isn't that good.
[07:59] <Avinoam> can everyone hear me?
[07:59] <synd> nalioth: some win users are just down right ignorant
[07:59] <KarlosII> Avinoam, no
[07:59] <Xnalz> synd: wow, only with win casue I can't get ubuntu to install and mac too rich for my blood
[07:59] <Avinoam> Whenever I try to log onto the internet with my cable modem, the DHCP request fails
[07:59] <KarlosII> I can't HEAR you
[07:59] <synd> Xabbu|: i beg your pardon : )
[07:59] <kdawg> where are the steps to install realplayer?
[07:59] <Xabbu|> synd, I have never liked mac...
[07:59] <Avinoam> kdawg download it from the website
[08:00] <synd> Xabbu|: its okay
[08:00] <Avinoam> Even when i try ifup eth0 the dhcp fails
[08:00] <disasm> Avinoam: ok, is the mac flushed from the cable modem? can you access the cable modems interface? what type of cable modem do you have?
[08:00] <Xabbu|> I have to say I have never liked windows either..
[08:01] <nalioth> Xnalz: $499 is too much?
[08:01] <Avinoam> disasm I can get to the website where we download dialup scripts for my ISP
[08:01] <shawarma> Avinoam: Have you tried checking with your ISP?
[08:01] <kdawg> Avinoam, I'm there....just about to check out the install instructions. The realplayer deb is for rp8
[08:01] <synd> nalioth: and you can say you goto school and get an even greater discount :X
[08:01] <synd> nalioth: or get it off amazone
[08:01] <synd> amazon
[08:01] <Xnalz> nalioth: mac mini? if soo $499 is a lot for a cool screen saver
[08:01] <Avinoam> shawarma where are you at?
[08:01] <shawarma> Avinoam: Denmark
[08:02] <nalioth> Xnalz: the mac mini is a lot of puter for $499
[08:02] <Avinoam> kdawg i know there is a newer one, i DLed
[08:02] <synd> Xnalz: the iLife 05 suite makes the mac mini worth every cent. thats besides its micro form factor
[08:02] <Avinoam> I don't think it's my ISP, it was working till last night
[08:03] <shawarma> Avinoam: So? Have you tried from another machine?
[08:03] <Xnalz> hmm might have to play around with it some more, at first meeting I wasn't too impressed
[08:03] <Avinoam> shawarma i don't have another machine where i am
[08:03] <Fonz> can someone help me get Limewire working?
[08:04] <Xnalz> what theeee hell
[08:04] <Avinoam> fonz go to www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:04] <Fonz> i did.
[08:04] <shawarma> Avinoam: Have anything changed since yesterday when it worked?
[08:04] <Fonz> i followed the instructions
[08:04] <Xnalz> my install messed up again
[08:04] <shawarma> Avinoam: Anything at all?
[08:04] <disasm> Avinoam: if you can access your isp's intranet its your isp
[08:04] <Avinoam> shawarma no nothing has changed
[08:04] <nalioth> Fonz: sure, use gtk-gnutella instead
[08:04] <Fonz> ok
[08:04] <Fonz> thanks
[08:04] <Xnalz> was installing and now just got a plain black screen, keyboard not responding
[08:05] <Xnalz> no error message or anything
[08:05] <Avinoam> i get an error about no DHCP candidate or something like that
[08:05] <synd> Fonz: limewire is junk, imho
[08:05] <Xnalz> checked the disc and the burn was valid
[08:06] <WhiteRabbit> synd, whats better than limewire then
[08:06] <synd> WhiteRabbit: gtk-gnutella
[08:06] <Avinoam> i don't like gnutella
[08:06] <WhiteRabbit> synd, the one the riaa is really watching ah
[08:06] <Avinoam> i get more search hits with limewir
[08:06] <synd> WhiteRabbit: youre worred about the RIAA?
[08:06] <synd> ha!
[08:06] <imaek> Oh man
[08:06] <imaek> winmodems are so difficult :(
[08:07] <synd> WhiteRabbit: LimeWire runs on the Gnutella network, by the way
[08:07] <imaek> I have been troubleshooting this winmodem for over three hours how.
[08:07] <imaek> now*
[08:07] <synd> WhiteRabbit: as does gtk-gnutella, obviously
[08:07] <WhiteRabbit> synd, DC++ puts those to shame imho
[08:07] <synd> i have no exp with DC++
[08:07] <disasm> Avinoam: what error are you getting exactly?
[08:08] <WhiteRabbit> synd, over 2 petabyte atm to
[08:08] <Avinoam> disasm i'm at work so i can't check exactly, but basically, it searches for a DHCP for a while and then quits
[08:09] <Miks> i was trying to compile mplayer....i did the "./configure" and then "make" ...and it was doing something and then i didnt know what to do...and i closed the terminal...did i mess up something really bad?
[08:09] <nalioth> Miks: not at all
[08:09] <Miks> cool!
[08:10] <nalioth> Miks: may i suggest ubuntulinux.org/wiki/  there is a section on compiling software
[08:10] <Miks> thanks nalioth
[08:10] <synd> WhiteRabbit: gtk-gnutella works for me. aint no use in tryin to fix somethin that aint broke
[08:10] <disasm> i can barely keep my eyes open anymore, time for sleep... gotta drive to altoona in the morning...
[08:10] <synd> either way, i prefer to download with my macs
[08:11] <Fonz> Sorry for being a noob, but how do you uninstall software in Ubuntu?
[08:11] <nalioth> disasm: sleep well
[08:11] <Miks> then i tried to install mplayer by adding some extra repositories...i added them..everything works fine...but it cant find the mplayer...i follow the instructions step by step...i guess mayb ethe server is not up or something?
[08:11] <nalioth> Fonz: use synaptic
[08:11] <disasm> didn't solve my battery script problem, but helped a few other people, so thats good too ;-)
[08:11] <Fonz> er. synaptic is giving me trouble.
[08:11] <Avinoam> wait disasm that is exactly my error
[08:11] <nalioth> Miks: could be lots of things
[08:11] <synd> Fonz: you must get the right repos
[08:11] <nalioth> Fonz: what kind of trouble?
[08:12] <Avinoam> disasm
[08:12] <Fonz> well, it says that there are 7 broken packages
[08:12] <disasm> yeah?
[08:12] <Fonz> and i try to remove them
[08:12] <Fonz> but it automatically sets stuff like the ubuntu core and ubuntu desktop to be removed as well
[08:13] <nalioth> Fonz: are teh broken pkgs keeping you from using ubuntu?
[08:13] <Fonz> nope
[08:13] <Fonz> they don't bother me
[08:14] <nalioth> Fonz: then let sleeping dogs lie
[08:14] <subterrific> Fonz: using hoary?
[08:14] <Fonz> yeah
[08:14] <Fonz> hoary.
[08:14] <subterrific> Fonz: what are the broken packages?
[08:14] <Fonz> eh, one sec
[08:15] <Fonz> aptitude, apt-utils, gxmms, libc6-dev, libc6-i686, locales, python-apt
[08:15] <subterrific> try this: sudo dpkg-reconfigure --force
[08:15] <subterrific> without synaptic running of course
[08:15] <nalioth> subterrific: why not "apt-get -f install"?
[08:16] <synd> do they both not do the same thing?
[08:16] <subterrific> nalioth: i suppose that works too
[08:16] <subterrific> synaptic i think even has a menu item that does the same thing
[08:17] <nalioth> synd: apt-get -f install tries to 'intelligently' fix the prob
[08:17] <synd> i see
[08:17] <Fonz> so i just run that command in the root terminal for each package that was broken?
[08:18] <nalioth> fonz, one or the other of those commands should fix all
[08:18] <nalioth> Fonz: broken pkgs
[08:18] <Fonz> ok.
[08:18] <Fonz> thanks
[08:18] <nalioth> Fonz: i'd try the apt-get first
[08:18] <Xnalz> ummm was installing ubuntu and I am now at the roo@ubuntu:~ # , what do i do now?
[08:19] <Fonz> i tried apt-get -f install before, but it seemed to want to remove the ubuntu core as well as synaptic.
[08:19] <tkiesel> Xnalz: That's odd. There shouldn't be a root user in Ubuntu.  Did you choose your personal user name as root?
[08:19] <nalioth> Fonz: you will always have the terminal (and apt-get)
[08:20] <disasm> ok, that was only a pre i'm going to sleep, now the real thing ;-)
[08:20] <Fonz> oh ok
[08:20] <thoreauputic> tkiesel: note the #
[08:20] <galaticos> hello. i need help. just installed Ubuntu Hoary 5.04...
[08:20] <disasm> [1057.pts-0.gentux detached.] 
[08:20] <galaticos> How do i use mozilla thunderbird?
[08:20] <nalioth> galaticos: it should be in your applications menu
[08:20] <Xnalz> tkiesel: I think so not really, sure have been through this 4-5 times now
[08:21] <thoreauputic> galaticos: have you installed it?
[08:21] <galaticos> thoreauputic, how do i install it? i just did a default hoary install
[08:21] <Fonz> hey nalioth
[08:21] <galaticos> nalioth, no, it is'nt
[08:21] <tkiesel> thoreauputic: I need to learn. What's the significance of the #?
[08:21] <nalioth> galaticos: as thoreauputic asked, have you installed it?
[08:21] <thoreauputic> galaticos: go to the package manager (synaptic)
[08:21] <nalioth> Fonz: ?
[08:21] <Fonz> i did apt-get -f install, and it asks me for my hoary cd. what is this for?
[08:22] <nalioth> Fonz: it needs to get pkgs off the cd
[08:22] <thoreauputic> tkiesel: it means "you are currently root"
[08:22] <Fonz> oh ok
[08:22] <galaticos> ok
[08:22] <Fonz> thanks a bunch for your help
[08:22] <tkiesel> Well, that seems obvious by the.. ohhhhh. roo!
[08:22] <tkiesel> lmao
[08:22] <tkiesel> I saw root.
[08:23] <galaticos> How do i install kde too?
[08:23] <thoreauputic> tkiesel: I think it was a typo
[08:23] <galaticos> and xfce..
[08:23] <bob2> galaticos: why would you want all 3?
[08:23] <nalioth> galaticos: its a package called "kubuntu-desktop"
[08:23] <subterrific> bob2: to try them?
[08:23] <galaticos> bob2, maybe only xfce. my machine is old and slow
[08:23] <tkiesel> xnalz: This is after a reboot?
[08:23] <tkiesel> Or rather the reboot that's a part of the install?
[08:23] <bob2> subterrific: sure, but surely not all at once ;p
[08:24] <thoreauputic> tkiesel: he *is* in fact root >>  roo@ubuntu:~ #  << there's the give-away
[08:24] <Xnalz> tkiesel: yes
[08:24] <galaticos> it takes a long time to download and install... will set them to downlaod and go ..
[08:24] <galaticos> i'm on dialup..
[08:24] <tkiesel> Xnalz: It should've brought you right into GDM. odd.
[08:24] <galaticos> nalioth, in synaptic? i serch for kubuntu-desktop?
[08:25] <nalioth> galaticos: yes
[08:25] <Xnalz> tkiesel: was messing around and umm I logged and it says I now have mail, with the prompt :joey@ubuntu:~$
[08:25] <tkiesel> thoreauputic: Yeah.  Well, I don't know why he/she would be in the console as root after install. Do you?
[08:25] <Peps> Hi, can someone help me get my windows 2k laptop connect to my kubuntu desktop?
[08:25] <galaticos> nalioth, ok. thanks.
[08:25] <thoreauputic> tkiesel: no I don't
[08:25] <tkiesel> Xnalz: Ohh. Try typing startx
[08:25] <Peps> I have samba running, not sure what to do on the windows side?
[08:26] <galaticos> Yup, another thing :)
[08:26] <Xnalz> "X: user is not authorized to run the X server, aborting."
[08:26] <galaticos> How can i use all the fonts I have in my Windows 2000 partition?
[08:26] <bob2> galaticos: copy them to ~/.fonts/
[08:26] <bob2> that's the easiest way, anyway
[08:26] <Xnalz> no idea at what that means
[08:26] <galaticos> bob2, ok.
[08:27] <nalioth> galaticos: you can move them to your linux partition, or if you'd like to study can tell linux where to find them where they sit
[08:27] <bob2> Xnalz: when logged in over ssh?
[08:27] <galaticos> let me.
[08:27] <tkiesel> Xnalz: Beyond my current scope of expertise.
[08:27] <nalioth> Xnalz: means your x permissions are wankered
[08:27] <Peps> Hi, can someone help me get my windows 2k laptop connect to my kubuntu desktop?
[08:27] <Xnalz> sorry, total newbie with linux ni what any of that means
[08:27] <Xnalz> what should I do?
[08:28] <bob2> Xnalz: when did you get that error?
[08:28] <Xnalz> when I typed in "startx"
[08:28] <thoreauputic> Xnalz: were you prompted to reboot for the second stage of the install?
[08:28] <bob2> Xnalz: from where?
[08:28] <galaticos> Does'nt your X start all by itself?
[08:28] <Xnalz> bob2: atl,ga
[08:28] <galaticos> mine starts by default
[08:28] <nalioth> Peps: go and google "ssh tunneling vnc"
[08:28] <subterrific> Xnalz: type sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:29] <subterrific> and enter your password when promted
[08:29] <bob2> Xnalz: "alt,ga"?
[08:29] <galaticos> bob2, lol, he said atlanta georgia maybe
[08:29] <thoreauputic> bob2: geographical location *g*
[08:29] <Peps> I just want samba so I can move files around
[08:29] <galaticos> nalioth, thanks, the packages are downloading.
[08:29] <bob2> hah
[08:29] <nalioth> Peps: i know nothing of samba (since i run PPC)
[08:30] <bob2> nalioth: dude, using ppc is not a big flag
[08:30] <Xnalz> ok I got * gnome display manager not running [ok] 
[08:30] <thoreauputic> trying to startx from Atlanta is a no go , apparently ... ;)
[08:30] <bob2> nalioth: I use samba on my ppc ubuntu machine
[08:30] <Xnalz> then *starting GNOME display manager... [fail] 
[08:30] <bob2> Xnalz: how did you install ubuntu?
[08:30] <dr_willis> me to bob2   :)
[08:30] <nalioth> bob2: i have no winduhs machine to samba into
[08:30] <Peps> bob2: can you help?
[08:30] <bob2> nalioth: samba between ubuntu machines works fine
[08:30] <Xnalz> burned the iso, and followed the instructions
[08:31] <bob2> Peps: you want to be able to access files on your ubuntu machine from the windows one?
[08:31] <Peps> bob2: yes
[08:31] <subterrific> Xnalz: at the prompt type: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:31] <subterrific> and enter your password
[08:31] <bob2> Peps: install samba, edit /etc/samba/smb.conf so the work groups match, then come back
[08:31] <Peps> bob2: my 2k machine does not see the server
[08:31] <freewoody> How do I share an Internet connection in my local LAN ?
[08:32] <nalioth> bob2: i thought samba was for winduhs. i ssh/vnc tween my machines
[08:32] <bob2> freewoody: you have a /24, you just enable ip forwarding and it will work
[08:32] <galaticos> bob2, i copied the fonts.. they dont show up in the xchat font listing.. do i need to restart X?
[08:32] <bob2> nalioth: no
[08:32] <Peps> samba is running. what do you mean work groups match?
[08:32] <bob2> galaticos: you might need to restart xchat, I don't know
[08:32] <bob2> Peps: open the file I mentioned in whatever editor you normally use
[08:32] <Peps> it says MYGROUP in the control center
[08:32] <Xnalz> subterrific: it said display manager failed
[08:32] <galaticos> ok. let me try.
[08:32] <Peps> do I need to set it on the windoz side?
[08:32] <tkiesel> freewoody: The firestarter Firewall has a nice n easy GUI setup of internet connection sharing. Lets yoru comp act as a DHCP server adn gateway for your network.. share your net connection, in other words.
[08:32] <subterrific> Xnalz: try rebooting: sudo reboot
[08:33] <nalioth> bob2: i'll check into the smb thing. might be easier since there's no winduhs here to wanker it up
[08:33] <bob2> Peps: I don't know what the control center is, but if you want windows to see your samba machine, you need to set the work group correctly
[08:33] <Peps> bob2: where do I see the workgroup in windows?
[08:34] <shawarma> freewoody: Maybe you should take a look at firestarter.
[08:34] <bob2> Peps: I have no idea
[08:34] <Peps> bob2: looking at MS help ...
[08:35] <Xnalz> subterrefic: ok did that and now its umm at a blank black screen
[08:35] <Peps> bob2: my workgroup is MYGROUP on the windows side, so both match
[08:35] <nalioth> peps check out control panel>network  properties
[08:36] <bob2> Peps: cool, and the network is set up correctly?
[08:36] <Peps> Yes I can ping from windows
[08:36] <freewoody> I have 10 PCs in my LAN and 1 PC with a DSL modem. Now I want to share the Internet in my LAN. How do I go about it ?
[08:36] <bob2> freewoody: install ipmasq on the machine with the dsl modem
[08:36] <shawarma> freewoody: Take a look at firestarter.
[08:36] <bob2> freewoody: and it'd be good if you didn't ignore people answering you
[08:36] <tkiesel> freewoody: What operating system is on the PC with the DSL modem?
[08:36] <Peps> bob2: same setup with same laptop and kubuntu works
[08:36] <thoreauputic> Xnalz: I think you need to start again: something odd happened - for instance you should never have got a root prompt
[08:37] <Xnalz> thoreauputic: ok
[08:37] <galaticos> bob2, yay, thanks. restarting xchat made it see the fonts :)
[08:38] <thoreauputic> Xnalz: what hardware is this? RAM? CPU?
[08:38] <bob2> galaticos: np
[08:38] <bob2> Peps: so, you can ping the windows machine from the linux one, and vice versa?
[08:38] <_linuxAS_> morning
[08:38] <Peps> bob2: I can ping the linux from windows
[08:38] <Xnalz> thoreauputic: ram: 192mb or something odd like that. CPU= 800mhz
[08:38] <Peps> bob2: and back. just tried it
[08:39] <bob2> Peps: cool
[08:39] <thoreauputic> Xnalz: OK that should be enough
[08:39] <Peps> bob2: Now what?
[08:39] <pepsi_> hi subterrific
[08:39] <subterrific> hey pepsi_ i was just about to im you
[08:39] <thoreauputic> Xnalz: where did you read these "instructions" of which you speak ?
[08:39] <pepsi_> subterrific, i got x almost working in breezy :)
[08:39] <subterrific> heh
[08:40] <subterrific> pepsi_: you check the forums?
[08:40] <Xnalz> thoreauputic: i just meant that I whent along with the on screen prompts, looked for instruction but couldn't find any
[08:40] <subterrific> there are some threads about how to get it working
[08:40] <subterrific> i haven't switched to breezy on any of my machines yet
[08:40] <thoreauputic> Peps: isn't that sort of like saying "my girlfriend is almost pregnant ? " *G*
[08:40] <pepsi_> no... where are those at? i looked around on the wiki
[08:40] <pepsi_> im sure ive seen it before
[08:40] <subterrific> ubuntuforums.org
[08:41] <Peps> thoreauputic: not with you????	
[08:42] <thoreauputic> Xnalz: there are two phases - you should be prompted to reboot after the first phase, then the rest of the install should proceed
[08:42] <Xnalz> thoreauputic: first phase was fine
[08:42] <thoreauputic> Peps: sorry that was for pepsi :)
[08:42] <Xnalz> second is when everythign whent to hell in a hand basket
[08:42] <thoreauputic> Xnalz: hmm
[08:42] <Peps> what do I need to do to get windows to see my machine? I tried "search for computers" but got nothing
[08:43] <Xnalz> thoreauputic: tried installing three times
[08:43] <subterrific> pepsi_: you done with school yet?
[08:43] <bob2> Peps: can the linux machine see the windows shares?
[08:43] <thoreauputic> Xnalz: well, it's odd - i don't know what the problem is then
[08:43] <Xnalz> thoreauputic: first time in the second stage it stoped whne it was messing with open office, same with second time
[08:43] <Peps> bob2: don't know how to check that??
[08:43] <Xnalz> third time was all crazy
[08:43] <bob2> Peps: places -> network in gnome
[08:44] <thoreauputic> Xnalz: are you sure the CD is OK ?
[08:44] <Peps> bob2: I know too little about windows, and running kubuntu ...
[08:44] <thoreauputic> Xnalz: is it a downloaded one?
[08:44] <Xnalz> thorea: scanned it and it said that it was valid
[08:44] <bob2> Peps: presumably kde has something like that
[08:44] <thoreauputic> Xnalz: md5sum OK?
[08:44] <Xnalz> thoreauputic: ni what that is
[08:45] <Peps> bob2: I don't know if my windows is set to share anything, probably not. any how how to do it?
[08:45] <bob2> Peps: right click on a folder, choose properties
[08:45] <pepsi_> subterrific, nope.. i have finals next week.. im sposed to be writing a paper for english, but im playing with breezy instead :P
[08:45] <Peps> bobt2: rebooting windows ....
[08:45] <Xnalz> thoreauputic: was told to burn at a slower speed trying a fresh install on the new disc, was burnt at 4x
[08:45] <pepsi_> x works now.. i made a bunch of links.. probably more than i needed, and then i borked my fonts, so i reinstalled xfonts-base
[08:46] <magneto> anyone else have their menu.lst hosed with the latest kernel update?
[08:46] <nalioth> magneto: havent rebooted yet from it
[08:46] <natxo> hi
[08:47] <zongzi> hi
[08:49] <Peps> bob2: so I set one folder to share from the windows side
[08:51] <Peps> I still have no idea how to try and access the windows from kubuntu?
[08:52] <galaticos> hey, the post hoary install synaptic list of updates is downloading a kernel-image.. will it install automatically, or will i have to compile it myself?
[08:52] <nalioth> galaticos: it will automajically install
[08:52] <thoreauputic> galaticos: automatically
[08:52] <galaticos> ooh nice.
[08:53] <galaticos> i have nothing to do till all these download =\ updates, and xfce and kubuntu-desktop
[08:53] <nalioth> galaticos: you need xfce4, not xfce
[08:54] <galaticos> yes, xfce4.. that's what.
[08:54] <benplaut> i'm getting 3 "serious" reports from Firestarter about port 113... anything to worry about?
[08:54] <nalioth> benplaut: not a thing
[08:54] <galaticos> 113 is identd
[08:54] <benplaut> OK
[08:54] <magneto> nalioth - do you have a custom kernel or dualboot system?
[08:54] <bob2> benplaut: ignore it, firestarter is being stupid
[08:54] <nalioth> magneto: dual boot
[08:55] <benplaut> and a few non-serious from "Sun-RPC portmap"... just a scanner?
[08:55] <bob2> the default firestarter config actually complains about things hitting the ident port?
[08:55] <nalioth> benplaut: unless you are running as 'root' you and dang nigh bulletproof here in ubuntu-land
[08:56] <thoreauputic> benplaut: if they are reported,, they have been blocked anyway
[08:56] <benplaut> OK, good :)
[08:56] <galaticos> Can i just copy my Profiles directory from thunderbird in windows, and use it in Ubuntu?
[08:56] <Xnalz> thoreauputic: how do I know if the md5sum is ok?
[08:56] <galaticos> md5sum filename
[08:56] <galaticos> and then visually check the sums
[08:57] <nalioth> galaticos: i would say yes, but ask others for confirmation (cuz i'm not totally sure)
[08:57] <Xnalz> ok, ty
[08:57] <thoreauputic> Xnalz: the md5 number should be on the server you downloaded from
[08:57] <galaticos> nalioth: ok. will try. copying about 2G of mails from the windows partition. thunderbird is'nt downloaded yet :(
[08:57] <nalioth> magneto, dja lose your train of thought?
[08:57] <Avinoam> thoreau what's up
[08:58] <magneto> nalioth - sorry watchin a movie lol -  u might wanna check to see if it erased your other os entry
[08:58] <magneto> nalioth - it erased my winblows entry and some runlevel info and other stuff
[08:58] <nalioth> magneto: doeessnt matter, i have "Open Firmware" (two ways to boot into stuff on macs)
[08:59] <galaticos> Does someone have a mega gtk2 or metacity theme pack?
[08:59] <magneto> - its a minor issue i just originally asked to figure out if somehow i was special ;)
[09:00] <bob2> Peps: no luck?
[09:00] <nalioth> magneto: osx tiger already ate my yaboot (bootloader for PPC) once
[09:00] <Peps> bob2: no
[09:00] <bob2> Peps: you can't see windows shares on the linux machine?
[09:00] <nalioth> magneto: so i'm experienced now in yaboot reconstruction
[09:00] <Peps> bob2: I don't know. did not find out how yet
[09:01] <magneto> nalioth- i thought tiger was perfect lol
[09:01] <bob2> Peps: #kde or #kubuntu would presumably know
[09:02] <galaticos> does someone have a darkish ubuntu wallpaper?
[09:02] <synd> galaticos: try gnome-look.org
[09:02] <galaticos> ok
[09:02] <Xnalz> hmmm welll made it to the starting ubuntu..... second phase of instalation so this one isn't as fubar as the last
[09:02] <thoreauputic> galaticos: I have a dark blue one
[09:02] <galaticos> thoreauputic: can i have it?
[09:02] <magneto> galaticos- gnome-look.org
[09:02] <thoreauputic> galaticos: hang on a sec
[09:03] <galaticos> magneto: opening. slowly.
[09:03] <synd> ok night all
[09:04] <nalioth> magneto: no, tiger introduced a new filesystem that is unrecognizeble to mac-fdisk
[09:04] <thoreauputic> galaticos: sending
[09:04] <galaticos> thoreauputic: thanks :)
[09:05] <thoreauputic> galaticos: it'll be  a bit slow (dialup)
[09:05] <galaticos> thoreauputic: you're on dialup too?
[09:05] <thoreauputic> galaticos: it's based on one of the calendars
[09:05] <thoreauputic> galaticos: yup
[09:05] <magneto> nalioth- sounds like stevie is taking up bill's bad ways - first tiger now intel processors
[09:05] <galaticos> thoreauputic: great. bottleneck at both ends :)
[09:05] <thoreauputic> looks like it's complete
[09:06] <galaticos> yeah
[09:06] <nalioth> magneto: well, i've got wood for a 2007 model powermac with dual-proc dual-core 5ghz watercooled goodness
[09:06] <galaticos> thoreauputic: :) its nice.
[09:07] <popey> lol@"got wood"
[09:07] <thoreauputic> galaticos: edited by Andy Fitzsimons I think ( an Aus like me ;)
[09:07] <Turoq> hmm i have radeon mobility 9700 card and i installed new ati drivers for it, glxgears gives only 2000fps, is it ok or is there something wrong ?
[09:07] <magneto> galaticos - http://gnome-look.org/content/files/24867-ubuntu_the_difference_1280.png
[09:07] <galaticos> magneto: ty
[09:08] <magneto> np
[09:08] <kakalto> what package enables amarok's equalizer?
[09:08] <bob2> presumably amarok-engines
[09:08] <bob2> but #kubuntu would know
[09:09] <kakalto> uhhh
[09:09] <kakalto> considering amarok-engines is already installed, probably not, and #kubuntu was pretty dead before..
[09:09] <kakalto> ...and still is, as it seems
[09:09] <galaticos> what is amarok?
[09:09] <bob2> galaticos: some kde music playing thingy
[09:09] <magneto> nalioth- lol i have wood for football season there aint a damn thing on tv
[09:10] <kakalto> galaticos, yeah, a very good one at that
[09:10] <Xnalz> bahaha
[09:10] <magneto> amarok is the single greatest music app in creation
[09:10] <zongzi> banana
[09:10] <kakalto> magneto, true that
[09:10] <Zet> please, someone give me a line from your sources.list?
[09:10] <bob2> can't beat cplay
[09:11] <kakalto> cplay?
[09:11] <bob2> Zet: apt-setup will regenerate it for you if you broken it
[09:11] <magneto> which one Zet? there are many lines
[09:11] <bob2> kakalto: apt-cache show cplay
[09:11] <Zet> I'm trying to figure out where the hell all the packages are!
[09:11] <zongzi> Zet:  google?
[09:11] <Zet> just any line
[09:11] <Zet> I just need to find the ubuntu kernel source package
[09:11] <Zet> nothing more
[09:11] <Zet> I don't even run Ubuntu
[09:12] <magneto> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[09:12] <magneto> :)
[09:13] <Chastaghir> hi all, i don't get my Mustek BearPaw 2445TA Plus Scanner running. It is recoginzed by xsane, but when I try to scan I get this error Msg: "error while opening device 'gt68xx:libusb:002:002': wrong parameters (<- translation from german)
[09:13] <Chastaghir> any ideas?
[09:13] <magneto> or do you really need a whole line
[09:13] <galaticos> Zet: try ubuntuguide.org it has a nice sources.list.. i copied it off there
[09:13] <magneto> Zet: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[09:13] <Peps> bob2: I can now see the Windows from kubuntu. Had to bring the firewall down for that ... Now I need to see how to fix that
[09:13] <bob2> Peps: so
[09:14] <bob2> Peps: in future, when you have network problems, you should assume it's a poorly configured firewall and remove it before trying anything else
[09:14] <Peps> bob2:  Now I know :)
[09:15] <thoreauputic> Peps: scrap the Wincrap firewall and use something like Zone Alarm
[09:15] <thoreauputic> that's almost as bad, but not quite...
[09:15] <Peps> thoreauputic: It is the ububtu firewall!!
[09:16] <thoreauputic> Peps: no, on the Win box
[09:16] <galaticos> How do i stop some of the things that start up at startup? like cron/apmd/acpi etc etc, which i dont need..
[09:16] <Peps> thoreauputic: there is no firewall on the windows
[09:16] <thoreauputic> Peps: ah i see - but Ubuntu doesn't come with a "firewall" as such - which one did you disable?
[09:17] <bob2> galaticos: with the "update-rc.d" tool, or just removing the S linke from /etc/rc2.d/
[09:17] <Xnalz> hmmm
[09:17] <galaticos> bob2: o.o both of them look like something i will have to read about
[09:17] <Peps> thoreauputic: i have guarddog
[09:17] <Xnalz> on the second stage on intall it says fontconfig: error and is now off the screen wonder if that is causeing all the problems
[09:18] <zongzi> Peps:  guarddog?
[09:18] <thoreauputic> Peps: ah OK - well guarddog is quite a nice iptables front end, so that's fine ;)
[09:19] <rg58sma> hi
[09:19] <rg58sma> i have a little problem
[09:19] <thoreauputic> Peps: I thought you were having issues with the XP firewall -m my mistake :)
[09:19] <rg58sma> how to delete recent files for menu FIle in Totem????
[09:19] <galaticos> hey, i am running synaptic, and synaptic updated/upgraded itself with a newer version.. how is it able to do that?
[09:19] <Peps> thoreauputic: np
[09:19] <Peps> thoreauputic: still i have no idea how to fix this
[09:20] <galaticos> rename the files before watching them. then you would'nt have to bother about deleting the recent file list.
[09:20] <bob2> Xnalz: it sounds a lot like your cd is screwed
[09:20] <rg58sma> not work
[09:20] <thoreauputic> Peps: guarddog has quite good help. i seem to recall - have you tried the guarddog web site?
[09:21] <rg58sma> beacause i delete the files
[09:21] <Peps> thoreauputic: phone call
[09:21] <psychonate> yays, a working xmms-musepack deb :)
[09:21] <Xnalz> bob2: this is my second cd
[09:21] <bob2> Xnalz: and you checked that both burnt correctly?
[09:21] <psychonate> If anyone needs musepack (mpegplus, mpp, mpc) debs:
[09:22] <psychonate> http://rarewares.org/debian-info-misc.html
[09:22] <Xnalz> bob2: yes
[09:22] <bob2> psychonate: can someone get that into universe?
[09:22] <bob2> assuming it's Free and all
[09:22] <upgrdman_> how do i tell apt-get to also install the reccomeneded packages?
[09:22] <psychonate> eh, I guess so
[09:22] <zongzi> everything is free
[09:22] <bob2> upgrdman_: man apt-get, there's an option
[09:22] <psychonate> bob2, you are talking to the wrong fella maybe. I know little about repositories and Ubuntu for that matter
[09:23] <bob2> upgrdman_: but perhaps you should look at aptitude?
[09:23] <psychonate> bob2, I can tell you that the plugin is working fantasticly, but that's about all I can say heh
[09:23] <bob2> zongzi: not my pants!
[09:23] <galaticos> psychonate: what is musepack?
[09:23] <upgrdman_> bob2, i'd rather learn how to do it with apt-get first
[09:23] <zongzi> ...
[09:23] <bob2> upgrdman_: bear in mind apt-get is a fairly low-level tool, though
[09:23] <psychonate> bob2, there are only five packages in the repository, but they are all very useful
[09:24] <psychonate> galaticos, it's just another lossy codec, sorta like mp3 and vorbis.
[09:24] <Chastaghir> I don't get my Mustek BearPaw 2445TA Plus Scanner running. It is recoginzed by xsane, but when I try to scan I get this error Msg: "error while opening device 'gt68xx:libusb:002:002': wrong parameters (<- translation from german)
[09:24] <Chastaghir> No ideas?
[09:24] <galaticos> psychonate: ok
[09:24] <psychonate> galaticos, it is better than mp3, but I don't know how it stands up to Vorbis
[09:24] <upgrdman_> bob2, aftering skimming the manpage i dont see an option
[09:24] <psychonate> Vorbis is fantastic
[09:24] <psychonate> fantabulous might I say
[09:25] <bob2> psychonate: what's the advantage over vorbis?
[09:25] <bob2> Chastaghir: try asking on the user mailing list, http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[09:25] <psychonate> bob2, I have no idea. I prefer Vorbis myself. (I got these off of.. <cough> p2p)
[09:25] <Zet> actually, is there an Ubuntu package that has the slmodemd daemon?
[09:25] <galaticos> upgrdman_:  -r, --with-recommends
[09:25] <psychonate> bob2, I run into this format rather often though, so I was happy to get support in XMMS.
[09:25] <Chastaghir> ok, thx bob2
[09:26] <kakalto> anyone got any ideas why, after ripping a song from cd to the computer (ogg), it won't play on my system? And yet it plays on my other comp?
[09:26] <bob2> psychonate: ah
[09:26] <upgrdman_> galaticos, was that in the man page
[09:26] <bob2> Zet: yes
[09:26] <magneto> Zet: google debian repos - they will have what you need with a search tool to boot
[09:26] <Fonz> kakalto: do you have .ogg plugins for your media player?
[09:26] <psychonate> bob2, now I just need a working FLAC plugin for bmp
[09:26] <Zet> could you please be more specific?
[09:26] <galaticos> upgrdman_: yeah. i just copied it from there. i just installed ubuntu an hour back
[09:26] <kakalto> Fonz, it's just that 1 song, the rest play
[09:27] <Fonz> ah. dunno then
[09:27] <xero> can someone tell me where to get w32codecs?
[09:27] <kakalto> marillat's repos
[09:27] <galaticos> xero: it is said in ubuntuguide.org
[09:27] <upgrdman_> galaticos, upgrdman@ubuntu-server:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10$ sudo apt-get install -r gccE: Command line option 'r' [from -r]  is not known.
[09:27] <magneto> Zet: what exactly do you need?
[09:27] <Zet> my friend has dial-up and he installed Ubuntu today
[09:27] <psychonate> kakalto, XMMS has ogg vorbis support by default
[09:27] <Zet> and he can't get the modem to work
[09:27] <psychonate> kakalto, should be able to play them np
[09:28] <bob2> kakalto: you'd need to define "doesn't work"
[09:28] <Zet> I researched it and found out that his modem is supposed to work with slmodemd
[09:28] <bob2> kakalto: you can't play it with ogg123?  what error does it give you?
[09:28] <kakalto> psychonate, it's only 1 song, the rest of the album (which was ripped at the same time, the same way) play
[09:28] <bob2> Zet: it's in ubuntu, you don't need debian for it
[09:28] <magneto> so when he modprobe slmodemd what happens?
[09:28] <psychonate> scratched track?
[09:28] <kakalto> the single song just doesn't play, I haven't tried directly through ogg123 yet
[09:28] <Xnalz> is there any chance that the file I downloaded was corruecpted, it was off the ubuntu home page?
[09:28] <psychonate> kakalto, did you try just ripping the song again?
[09:28] <bob2> kakalto: try that then
[09:28] <upgrdman_> galaticos ?
[09:28] <kakalto> psychonate, but if I transfer it to my old system (which I just did a fresh kubuntu install), it plays fine
[09:29] <galaticos> upgrdman_: wait. let me check
[09:29] <bob2> Xnalz: yes, that's why there are md5sums, so you can check that
[09:29] <Zet> I have zero experience in Ubuntu but I run Debian
[09:29] <psychonate> er
[09:29] <psychonate> that sounds messed up
[09:29] <Xnalz> how do i check that?
[09:29] <bob2> upgrdman_: I can't sem to find the option, maybe I was using some experimental version or something
[09:29] <Zet> bob2: could you tell me which Ubuntu package has slmodemd?
[09:29] <Xnalz> bob2: how do I check the md5sums?
[09:30] <zongzi> Zet:  mirror site?
[09:30] <bob2> Xnalz: run "md5sum blah.iso"
[09:30] <bob2> Zet: sl-modem-daemon - SmartLink software modem daemon
[09:30] <bob2> Zet: same as in Debian...
[09:30] <galaticos> upgrdman_: :( sorry. i was reading man aptitude
[09:30] <Zet> a-ha!
[09:30] <Zet> bob2: thank you
[09:30] <Xnalz> bob2: ok did that
[09:30] <kakalto> bob2, when I try through ogg123, it says "cannot open device esd"
[09:30] <psychonate> heh
[09:30] <bob2> kakalto: you're not using esd?
[09:30] <zongzi> Zet:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive
[09:30] <upgrdman_> bob2, how do i tell apt-get to get stuff from the internet, i dont want to keeping inseting the damn install cd :(
[09:30] <kakalto> I wouldn't know
[09:31] <bob2> kakalto: I assume you made sure sound in general worked
[09:31] <galaticos> upgrdman_: sudo aptitude -r install gcc
[09:31] <Fonz> what does "apt-get -f install" do?
[09:31] <kakalto> sound in general works, yes.
[09:31] <thoreauputic> upgrdman_: comment the Cd line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:31] <magneto> zet: sl-modem-daemon  try that
[09:31] <bob2> upgrdman_: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:31] <kakalto> I can play through amarok, most songs
[09:31] <thoreauputic> upgrdman_: it's near the top
[09:31] <kakalto> it's just 1 song which doesn't play in amarok, nor cplay
[09:31] <kakalto> but does play on my other comp
[09:32] <bob2> ignore cplay and amarok
[09:32] <d1> hi everyone...
[09:32] <bob2> everything uses libvorbis anyway
[09:33] <kakalto> bob2, so how can I figure out what's wrong with the song?
[09:33] <upgrdman_> thoreauputic, thx
[09:33] <kakalto> I would just use my other comp as a jukebox, but I can't get the equalizer
[09:33] <AvvY> does linux use a host file like Windows?
[09:33] <bob2> kakalto: run ogg123 on it with the correct -o option
[09:33] <bob2> AvvY: /etc/hosts
[09:33] <AvvY> thanx bob2
[09:33] <kakalto> bob2, how do I find out what the correct -o option is
[09:34] <kakalto> ?
[09:34] <psychonate> wow, the main rarewares repository has A LOT of nice XMMS plugins
[09:35] <bob2> kakalto: ogg123 -o arts foo.ogg
[09:35] <Fonz> YES!!!
[09:35] <d1> I've got a (little) problem setting up my wlan connection. i've installed the appropriate drivers of my card via ndiswrapper and iwlist returns the wlan-net i want to connect to. however, when using windows, i have to go to a login-page (https://login....) and sign-on with my username/pw. when i try to connect to the login-page in ubuntu i get an error... anyone who has a hint for me, where i should start looking?
[09:35] <Fonz> i got Wine working!
[09:35] <Fonz> woohoo
[09:35] <zongzi> so?
[09:35] <psychonate> I won't add it though as a lot of the other stuff is in the ubuntu repositories; I'll just download the debs individually if I need them :)
[09:35] <kakalto> Congratulations, Fonz. Now try CVSCedega
[09:35] <kakalto> :P
[09:35] <kakalto> bob2, that doesn't work
[09:35] <Fonz> heh
[09:35] <kakalto> arts is the wrong option
[09:35] <bob2> kakalto: "doesn't work" = ?
[09:35] <psychonate> there are scripts to compile CVS Cedega for you
[09:35] <bob2> kakalto: you're not using arts?
[09:35] <eyequeue> okay, dumb question time
[09:36] <kakalto> "Incorrect option format: arts"
[09:36] <magneto> d1 - you have dsl? or wireless?
[09:36] <bob2> d1: you need to tell us the "error"
[09:36] <eyequeue> other than the name of a mountain or dead us president, what is mckinley?
[09:36] <d1> bob2: wireless...
[09:36] <bob2> kakalto: er, -d arts
[09:36] <bob2> d1: that's not an error
[09:36] <kakalto> k
[09:36] <eyequeue> platform?
[09:36] <magneto> d1: what type of wireless card
[09:36] <xero> how can i install Half-Life 2 in Ubuntu?
[09:36] <bob2> xero: www.transgaming.com
[09:37] <d1> bob2: why? i mean the card is available. when i set up the wlan connection with the gui and add the wlan thing to the panel, i even see that i have a 100% signal
[09:37] <zongzi> xero:  install windoz
[09:37] <xero> bob2: costs money =\
[09:37] <bob2> d1: dude
[09:37] <kakalto> bob2, that works.. but if I try to play it with any frontends, it doesn't seem to play it
[09:37] <d1> bob2: but i can't log in since can't open the login-page
[09:37] <bob2> d1: "when i try to connect to the login-page in ubuntu i get an error", you need to tell us exactly what error it is
[09:37] <magneto> wireless isp? with a webpage login?
[09:37] <d1> magneteo: realtek
[09:37] <bob2> d1: so, you don't get an error, you just can't get the login page in your browser?
[09:37] <eyequeue> reason for asing in #ubuntu: i was reading an ubuntu security buletin (every upgrade your kernels and reboot) and saw mckinley in kernel package names as if it was a platform, but have not heard of such before
[09:38] <eyequeue> s/buletin/bulletin/
[09:38] <tombs> d1: what pci card do you use?
[09:38] <bob2> eyequeue: it's a type of ia-64 cpu
[09:38] <d1> magneto: my uni wlan: yes. it has webpage-login. in windows. i just open firefox and get to the loginpage automatically. when i want to open the page in ubuntu, it can't connect
[09:38] <bob2> d1: ah, firefox can't connect
[09:38] <d1> tombs: it is a pcmia realtek card
[09:39] <bob2> d1: please just tell us the error in the original question in future
[09:39] <magneto> d1 - what's the url?
[09:39] <bob2> d1: have you setup /etc/network/interfaces correctly?
[09:39] <magneto> d1: can you ping the domain or ip addy
[09:40] <d1> bob2: ok, sorry bout this. when i try "sudo dhclient wlan0" i get an error with "no leases in db" or something like that"
[09:40] <eyequeue> bob2:  thanks, i was suprised not to have heard the term:)
[09:40] <bob2> d1: right
[09:40] <d1> magneto: https://login.jku.at
[09:40] <kakalto> thanks anyway, bob2
[09:40] <bob2> d1: the essid is correct?  they're not using wpa or wep, are they?
[09:40] <bob2> kakalto: presumably amarok is misconfigured, but I can't imagine how it could only affect that one file
[09:40] <kakalto> I know, it's random
[09:41] <kakalto> but, it's not just amarok
[09:41] <kakalto> I'll try another app again
[09:41] <d1> bob2: no, they aren't. i can even see the correct essids!! but can't get to the login page.- that's the problem i have
[09:41] <magneto> d1: so you have no ip address on your wireless nic
[09:41] <d1> magneto: no, they say that i have to choose dhcp which is what i did
[09:42] <bob2> d1: well, the problem is you don't have any network connectivity, it's not a "can't reach login page" thing specifically
[09:42] <magneto> d1: but dhcp isnt working or not leasing to u
[09:42] <bob2> d1: can you assign an ip statically and have it work?
[09:42] <d1> magneto: exactly, i don't get any dhcpoffers
[09:43] <kakalto> bob2, actually, it is just amarok affected.
[09:43] <bob2> hah
[09:43] <d1> bob2: no i tried this. got to windows and wrote down ip, gateway and stuff and tried to configure it manually. doesn't work either. (i'm in windows using wlan currently)
[09:43] <kakalto> xmms plays the file fine...
[09:43] <kakalto> and amarok plays it fine on my old comp
[09:43] <kakalto> it's just something to do with this comp and amarok
[09:43] <magneto> d1: do they use a mac address database or something
[09:44] <d1> magneto: nothing that i'm aware of. but the mac adress has to be the same as in windows, since i'm dual booting win/ubuntu
[09:45] <magneto> d1: im just tryin to figure out at which point you are failing
[09:45] <cyphase> Do you think podcast support should be in a browser or an email client a.k.a Firefox or Thunderbird?
[09:45] <magneto> d1: the dhcp part has to come before any login
[09:45] <bob2> that sounds a lot like ndiswrapper being crap
[09:45] <bob2> cyphase: no
[09:45] <magneto> bob2: lmao
[09:45] <d1> magneto: i think it MAY be the gateway of the login-page. since i use dhcp i can't configure a gateway...
[09:46] <bob2> d1: you did configure the gateway when doing it manually, right?
[09:46] <cyphase> bob2, i meant which one, not should it be, seeing as thunderbird 1.1 is going to have it
[09:46] <magneto> d1: nah you cant use any webpage with no IP address
[09:46] <d1> bob2: even if iwlist shows the available essids?
[09:46] <bob2> cyphase: ouch, that seems silly
[09:46] <bob2> d1: yes
[09:46] <d1> bob2: yes, i tried that. didn't work either...
[09:46] <bob2> d1: I've heard of it happening, anyway, I've never used it
[09:46] <cyphase> bob2, why?
[09:46] <eyequeue> cyphase:  i've seen rss plugins for each of those, so i'd see podcast support as akin to rss support.  hence, i think some wouild feel one, some the other
[09:47] <eyequeue> cyphase:  personally, i'm more of the unix school of thought: "do one thing, do it well" so i'd prefer it in a dedicated app
[09:47] <bob2> cyphase: isn't "podcasting" identical to an rss feed with links to ogg/mp3 files in it?
[09:47] <cyphase> bob2, yea
[09:47] <AvvY> im currently using Synaptic to download XFCE desktop envorionment. once its installed, how do i change from gnome to xfce?
[09:48] <bob2> cyphase: so why not add music playing support to a rss reader?
[09:48] <psychonate> AvvY, logout. Select XFCE. Login.
[09:48] <cyphase> eyequeue, maybe thats ok for us geeks, but Joe User wants to click one button to do everything, not 2 or 3
[09:48] <bob2> AvvY: make sure it's xfce4
[09:48] <eyequeue> cyphase:  some prefer their usenet news reading done in their mua, i'd rather have a dedicated app for it.  same concept
[09:48] <cyphase> bob2, because it doesn't make sense
[09:48] <bob2> cyphase: how?
[09:48] <AvvY> yeah it is xfce4 bob2. thanx psychonate, ill have a go when its finished downloading
[09:48] <difficult> hi all. Just done a new install of ubuntu from a hoary cd, I'm having a problem with it finishing the installation, it can't seem to finish doing the final step, it has issues with scroll keeper restarts dgm and then does an apt-get upgrade and again fails with scroll keeper, I left it going all  night and it has just been stuck in that loop
[09:49] <difficult> I was hoping someone would be able to give me an idea as to why this might be happening
[09:49] <bob2> difficult: are yo usure the CD burnt correctly?
[09:49] <Take_Da_Fish> ARRGGGG I have ubuntu working on an old computer and now have it setup on a new computer. I a 56k modem working on the old computer but when I bring it across i cannot get it work on the new computer.  I have even tried a new hardware modem to no avail
[09:49] <psychonate> AvvY, np, you can select the windowmanager in the little "Session" option on the login screen
[09:49] <Take_Da_Fish> does anyone know any terminal commands I can do to check the ports or something
[09:49] <AvvY> psychonate: thanx, im about to restart now, ill let u know how it goes. brb
[09:50] <Zet> umm, does Ubuntu have a nice GUI modem dialer application program thingie?
[09:50] <d1> bob2, magneto: in the /etc/network/hosts file only 127.0.0.1 localhost,... is specified. may i add the ip of the login page there?
[09:50] <cyphase> bob2, an RSS reader/podcatcher is *getting* content for you to consume, not playing it for you
[09:50] <difficult> bob2 I haven't MD5 checksumed it, but everything till the end seemed to work without a problem, I have changed the source.list to match the one i haev on my home installation hoping that would solve the issue but it doesnt. No matter wether i use my home one or the default one it seems to keep back things like gzip and bzip2 and then gives me scroll keeper errors
[09:51] <bob2> d1: well, that shouldn't matter
[09:51] <d1> bob2: ok
[09:51] <magneto> d1: shouldnt make a difference if you have no IP address and no way to communicate with the webserver
[09:51] <bob2> difficult: md5sum check it (you can do that from the running installer)
[09:51] <bob2> cyphase: what's the difference?
[09:51] <juli> WHAT IS IT ?
[09:51] <difficult> bob2: how do i md4sum the cd and what would I compare it against?
[09:52] <cyphase> bob2, the mailman delivers your letters, he doesn't read them for you
[09:52] <magneto> d1: do you know the model number of the realtek card maybe you can try a linux driver
[09:52] <shanon> I was just notified that there is a new kernel version through the software updates tool. Will this be enabled when I reboot if I install ?
[09:52] <eyequeue> cyphase:  i guess if i had to choose mail vs web app ... hmm ... my vote would be web, since you can't reply to a podcast (right?) unlike email where you have a peer relationship with the writer
[09:52] <bob2> cyphase: sure, but an rss reader doesn't download it to my disk and expect me to read the xml
[09:52] <magneto> yes shanon
[09:52] <d1> magneto: it is a realtek 8139 card
[09:52] <shanon> magneto: thanks
[09:52] <bob2> cyphase: it formats it for me and displays it
[09:52] <bob2> difficult: boot it with the "expert" option and go to the "verify cd" option on the menu
[09:52] <bob2> shanon: yes
[09:53] <difficult> bob2: once I have done that what would i compare it against?
[09:53] <cyphase> bob2, yes, but only because it's so trivial that it's nothing to implement it
[09:53] <bob2> cyphase: how is playing an audi ofile different?
[09:53] <bob2> difficult: it will compare it against the correct values automatically
[09:53] <difficult> ahhh ok thanks
[09:54] <cyphase> bob2, it's not, unless you start to add to many functions into a simple application
[09:54] <eyequeue> cyphase:  since you specifically mentioned firefox and thunderbird, are you thinking of writing a plugin for one or the other? if so, i'd recommend making it work with both, so the user can install it where they feel it fits best
[09:54] <cyphase> eyequeue, thunderbird is getting podcast support in 1.1
[09:54] <Peps> Now I can see windows folders from my ubuntu, and the windows can see the internet - BUT still no mount from windows to kubuntu ...
[09:55] <bob2> Peps: woo
[09:55] <magneto> d1: i thought u said it was wireless?
[09:55] <elsyar2003> hi
[09:55] <Peps> bob2: I guess I will leave it at that at the moment
[09:55] <d1> magneto: it is a wireless pcmcia card
[09:55] <bob2> Peps: that is weird
[09:56] <Jormundgand> There's a number of semiserious bugs in Firefox 1.0.4. So I go to #ubuntu-devel and request that they backport the fixes from Deer Park Alpha 1. Their response? "Make a patch." I can't make a patch - I'm a scientist, not a programmer.
[09:56] <Peps> bob2: I think it might be an account/password thingy. w2k is strange that way
[09:56] <bob2> Jormundgand: dude
[09:57] <Peps> bob2: First operation - download firefox
[09:57] <magneto> d1: okay why are you using ndiswrapper? do you need wpa?
[09:57] <bob2> Jormundgand: whinging doesn't get you anywhere
[09:57] <eyequeue> Jormundgand:  let me try to be tactful here, okay? (though i do understand your frustration)
[09:57] <bob2> Jormundgand: also, breezy diesn't come out for another 4 months, presumably "deer park alpha" will be out by then and in breezy
[09:57] <Jormundgand> Deer Park alpha 1 is out now.
[09:57] <d1> magneto: the card was not recognised by ubuntu out of the box
[09:57] <magneto> d1: i had the same type of card i just switched to an intel minipci - i had the linksys wpc11
[09:58] <d1> magneto: so i tried ndiswrapper
[09:58] <shanon> can someone tell me what package I need to install to get the standard performance monitoring tools like iostat, sar etc..
[09:58] <bob2> Jormundgand: have you filed bugs about these "semi-serious" problems in firefox 1.0.4, and pointed out that it's fixed in deer park alpha?
[09:58] <eyequeue> Jormundgand:  you happed to hit a subset of the developers, those that are watching the channel at this moment.  perhaps a swishlist type request to a mailing list might be more effective, in that it might hit those that are willing to undertake it themselves
[09:58] <Peps> Don't know about gnome - KDE Control Center is quite buggy
[09:58] <bob2> Jormundgand: are you aware at the ridiculous amount of work that might be required to backport those fixes?
[09:59] <cyphase> 1.1 should be in the update list for hoary
[09:59] <cyphase> it better be
[09:59] <cyphase> lol
[09:59] <Take_Da_Fish> anyone help with internal modem blues?
[09:59] <Jormundgand> bob2: The bug reports are already there.
[09:59] <bob2> Jormundgand: and you followed up and said "This is fixed in 'deer park alpha', which will be released on $blah."?
[09:59] <Jormundgand> Yes. And nobody looks at the reports, so nobody does anything.
[09:59] <magneto> d1: how do you know? did you check to see if the module was loaded? did you check to see if you could configure the adapter throught the networking app? that card should always get recognized by the default ubuntu kernel
[10:00] <thoreauputic> Jormundgand: wild generalisations...
[10:00] <bob2> Jormundgand: please don't make wild (and incorrect) generalisations
[10:00] <bob2> Jormundgand: there are people who see *every* bug report in ubuntu
[10:00] <eyequeue> nobody looks?  if i looked, i'd say "i'm not up to the task" and not comment.  i'm sure they're seen, but perhaps others see other issues as having a higher priority
[10:01] <Peps> Take_Da_Fish: did you look at http://walbran.org/sean/linux/linmodem-howto.html
[10:01] <Jormundgand> The reports have been there for donkeys'. The Ubuntu report got passed upstream, and the reply on the upstream bug was "fixed in trunk". Wow. Helpful.
[10:01] <bob2> Jormundgand: what do you expect people to do?
[10:01] <thoreauputic> Jormundgand: your attitude isn't helping you
[10:01] <Jormundgand> bob2: Perhaps point how where in the trunk code the fix is so it's easy to find it?
[10:01] <d1> magneto: yes i looked at the networking app. wlan0 was not recognised. after i installed the ndiswrapper drivers, wlan0 is available in the networking gui...
[10:01] <Jormundgand> Finding anything in large source code becomes a needle in a haystack.
[10:01] <dhewg> is there a way to disable init.d script execution when installing/upgrading deb's?
[10:02] <bob2> Jormundgand: so, this sounds like a problem you have with firefox upstream
[10:02] <robtaylor_> Jormundgand: how severe a security issue is it?
[10:02] <magneto> d1: it might have been called eth0 or eth1
[10:02] <bob2> Jormundgand: have you asked on their development list where each bug was fixed?
[10:02] <Jormundgand> And frankly I have better things to do than wade through Firefox source code looking for something.
[10:02] <eyequeue> dhewg:  a workaround? chmod the script -x beforehand, and don't accept changes to the file
[10:02] <magneto> d1: my wireless devices aren't labeled wlan0
[10:02] <Jormundgand> robtaylor_: broken mousewheel support on divisions with option overflow: auto or scroll.
[10:03] <robtaylor_> Jormundgand: ah so its not a security issue?
[10:03] <bob2> Jormundgand: anywya, ranting on a user distribution channel doesn't seem like a good way to get help from the upstream developers
[10:03] <thoreauputic> Jormundgand: I guess the devs have better things to do than listen to arrogant complainers, too
[10:03] <d1> magneto: hm, strange. ifconfig -a says that i have wlan support with wlan0
[10:03] <bob2> Jormundgand: try asking on their developer list where each bug you care about was fixed
[10:03] <robtaylor_> Jormundgand: in that case you're unlikely to get the package upgraded in a frozen release
[10:03] <dhewg> eyequeue: yeah that wont execute it on startup, but eg when samba gets updated it restarts itself
[10:03] <bob2> Jormundgand: or, since there is no way fixes like that can go into hoary, just wait, assuming "deer park" will come out in time for breezy
[10:04] <Jormundgand> Doesn't that make "hoary-updates" (which is supposed to be a bugfix repo) entirely redundant?
[10:04] <eyequeue> dhewg:  well, i meant -x *while* you do the upgrade, and changing it back to +x immediately afterward of course
[10:04] <robtaylor_> Jormundgand: hoary-updates is security only
[10:04] <bob2> Jormundgand: it's not for trivial bugs like that
[10:04] <Jormundgand> Which makes hoary-security redundant.
[10:04] <magneto> d1: the way to see if youre 8139 is seen with the default is iwconfig - which will show the wireless adapters recognized as such
[10:05] <bob2> Jormundgand: hoary-updates is for serious bug fixes and such
[10:05] <bob2> Jormundgand: also, you're complaining about ubuntu not including patches that don't exist
[10:05] <bob2> Jormundgand: if you actually want this done, put in the minimal work to find out where they were fixed
[10:05] <robtaylor_> Jormundgand: for now, i'd suggest you grab the package from breezy, assuming that has a newer version
[10:05] <dhewg> eyequeue: well im running linux under linux-emulation under freebsd, so i dont want any init.d scripts to be executed ;)
[10:05] <eyequeue> dhewg:  i guess my answer didn't cover what you were looking for?
[10:05] <dhewg> eyequeue: i thought there's maybe a conf file for that. apt/deb system
[10:06] <robtaylor_> Jormundgand: think about it, if every small feature fix that every package had meant that it got into hoary updates, you'd no longer have a stable rease now, would you?
[10:06] <eyequeue> dhewg:  ah yeah :)  sorry that i dont know how to cover that for you
[10:06] <robtaylor_> Jormundgand: if you really wnat bleeding edge, you can run breezy or sid
[10:06] <dhewg> eyequeue: hehe np, thx anyway ;)
[10:06] <robtaylor_> or gentoo
[10:06] <d1> magneto: ok, when i do this, i even see the essids i want to see... does this mean, that the card is installed properly?
[10:06] <robtaylor_> hah
[10:07] <thoreauputic> amazing
[10:07] <magneto> d1: possibly if it can be configured with an IP address
[10:07] <bob2> Jormundgand has some sort of massive mozilla/ubuntu axe to grind
[10:07] <Heart|> are prism2 usb-wlan dongles supported in (k)ubuntu?
[10:08] <bob2> Heart|: yes
[10:08] <robtaylor_> bob2: Jormundgand is obviously a twerp
[10:08] <d1> magneto: hm, i already tried not to use dhcp but using the fixed values i see in windows with ipconfig /all
[10:08] <robtaylor_> ;)
[10:08] <Heart|> ok, just plugin the dongle and make the device with "iwconfig..." and it works
[10:08] <bob2> robtaylor_: he's been ranting for weeks about ubuntu and firefox
[10:08] <difficult> bob2: I've just checked the cd integrity and it passed
[10:09] <bob2> Heart|: no, they're silly and don't use wireless extensions
[10:09] <bob2> Heart|: you need to use linux-wlan-ng tools (in that package)
[10:09] <robtaylor_> bob2: nice..
[10:09] <difficult> bob2: would it help if I pasted the scroll keeper errors I'm getting?
[10:09] <magneto> d1: when you try configuring it manually what happens
[10:09] <Heart|> oh... first apt-get install linux-wlan-ng ?!
[10:09] <robtaylor_> bob2: guess kickbanning doesnt really have a place on #ubuntu ;)
[10:09] <johnnybe1ak> guys how do i turn on sshd
[10:09] <eyequeue> dhewg:  the lower-level command that apt-get calls is dpkg, if you want to poke at some docs, (but a grep for init in 'man dpkg' just came up null)
[10:09] <robtaylor_> anyway, off to work for me :)
[10:10] <eyequeue> johnnybe1ak:  sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[10:10] <johnnybe1ak> yeah its installed
[10:10] <johnnybe1ak> i just want to start the eservice
[10:10] <johnnybe1ak> *service
[10:10] <bob2> difficult: yeah, to #flood
[10:10] <dhewg> eyequeue: yeah there's /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg but i seems there isnt any no-exec parm
[10:11] <bob2> Heart|: yes
[10:11] <thoreauputic> johnnybe1ak: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[10:11] <eyequeue> johnnybe1ak:  /etc/init.d/ssh start
[10:11] <eyequeue> johnnybe1ak:  yes, sudo of course, my bad
[10:11] <difficult> bob2: was that sarcasm? Sorry I'm just trying to finish this install
[10:11] <bob2> difficult: no, serious
[10:11] <johnnybe1ak> ahh thanks
[10:13] <bob2> difficult: that is weird
[10:13] <bob2> calamari: system -> preferences -> session, add it to your session
[10:13] <galaticos> calamari: in your /home/calamari/.xinitrc
[10:14] <difficult> after that gdm restarts and another message appears but I wasn't quick enough to catch it
[10:14] <thoreauputic> galaticos: no, that won't work
[10:14] <calamari> bob2: thank you :)
[10:14] <galaticos> thoreauputic: oh ok. why not?
[10:15] <Joul_lie> kebumen
[10:15] <thoreauputic> galaticos: ubuntu doesn't use .xinitrc , normally
[10:15] <galaticos> thoreauputic: it does. i stopped gdm, and put xfce startup in .xinitrc to read from startx..
[10:16] <bob2> yes, startx is different
[10:16] <calamari> cool.. I bet this time it'll work :)
[10:16] <thoreauputic> galaticos: "normallY"
[10:16] <galaticos> ok
[10:16] <bob2> also, .xinitrc is only for legacy use, ~/.xsession is what everything should use nowadays
[10:16] <thoreauputic> galaticos: that's why I added the word :)
[10:16] <galaticos> ok
[10:16] <galaticos> i just copied what they said on the xfce4 forums :D
[10:16] <calamari> moot point anyways.. I needed it to load after gnome.. x loads first :)
[10:16] <galaticos> atleast now, my GUI is faster. Wish my puter was faster :(
[10:17] <eyequeue> this is good, i'm learning about .xinitrc being deprecated
[10:17] <calamari> hehe
[10:17] <calamari> I'm probably doing something wrong using xmodmap, but it works
[10:18] <galaticos> hehe, i should prolly only be asking questions.. i just installed linux earlier today.
[10:18] <galaticos> but it looks easy :)
[10:18] <galaticos> except the kernel compile howto.
[10:18] <eyequeue> galaticos:  welcome to the world of ubuntu :)
[10:20] <eyequeue> galaticos: kernel compilation throws many newbies, but there is a tool, make-kpkg (in the "kernel-package" package) that makes it significantly easier than the method in the howto
[10:20] <galaticos> eyequeue: i read that.. too confusing. maybe after i've learned more.
[10:21] <eyequeue> galaticos:  it's also something you very likely will not need to do any time soon, unless you have some very corner case hardware, so i wouldn't worry
[10:21] <againstme> anyone install ubuntu on a g5?
[10:21] <galaticos> eyequeue: Everything is old :( 800mhz with 256M ram, and shared video.
[10:22] <galaticos> How do i list only "Installed" applications in Synaptic?
[10:22] <fabbione> againstme: yes we do
[10:22] <galaticos> oh ok. got it. via the status tab
[10:22] <againstme> does it hvae thermal support for g5s?
[10:22] <eyequeue> galaticos:  old is uaully good :)  and linux is well-suited to keeping an "obsolete" machine out of the landfill and in regular use :)
[10:22] <fabbione> againstme: let me check but it should
[10:23] <ita> vv bmbbv[] l.
[10:23] <ita> 0[,.0] 
[10:24] <fabbione> againstme: according to the kernel configs it does.
[10:24] <thoreauputic> wtf was that?
[10:24] <galaticos> what is the difference between the packages in ubuntu that have the ubuntu logo and those that dont, in synaptic?
[10:24] <fabbione> againstme: but you better wait a couple of weeks that we have ppc64 g5 specific kernels on the way
[10:24] <galaticos> his pet rat walked over the keyboard -.-
[10:24] <thoreauputic> galaticos: I think the ones in main have icons
[10:24] <fabbione> againstme: or you can try the beta releases if you want
[10:25] <galaticos> thoreauputic: ok.
[10:25] <againstme> as long as the beta has thermal support ill try it
[10:25] <fabbione> againstme: but we can't provide any warranty that they will even boot on your system
[10:25] <fabbione> againstme: what kernel are you using now?
[10:25] <againstme> i dont have any linux currently installed
[10:25] <againstme> had no thermal support
[10:25] <fabbione> againstme: well try to install hoary with power4 kernel
[10:25] <fabbione> i tought you had it installed and wasn't working
[10:26] <againstme> i have used the live  cd
[10:26] <fabbione> againstme: yes ok and from the livecd what kernel did you boot?
[10:26] <fabbione> againstme: ppc ships 3 kernels
[10:26] <fabbione> one of which is power4
[10:26] <fabbione> and that's the one you should try
[10:26] <againstme> yeah i used power4
[10:26] <againstme> from the live cd
[10:26] <fabbione> thermal support is not autodetected unfortunatly
[10:27] <fabbione> so there might be the need of probing some modules...
[10:27] <againstme> from the live cd, there was thermal support
[10:28] <againstme> is ubuntu equivelent to say debian, mandrake, or gentoo in performance and packages?
[10:28] <fabbione> againstme: the kernel for the livecd is the same as the install kernel
[10:28] <eyequeue> the livecd is a great idea, i love it, but unfortunately i've seen a couple of cases where i don't think it does ubuntu justice.  sometimes things will work under an actual install that wont under the livecdat won'
[10:28] <fabbione> againstme: so if it works for the live, it will work on install
[10:28] <bob2> againstme: exceeds gentoo in performance, and mandrake in package selection
[10:29] <againstme> so ubuntu is a very powerfull distro?
[10:29] <bob2> of course
[10:29] <magneto> powerfull?
[10:29] <galaticos> Should i be using apt-get or aptitude if i was use the command line to install packages?
[10:29] <bob2> aptitude
[10:29] <galaticos> ok.
[10:29] <eyequeue> againstme:  comparing with debian, basically ubuntu is more often more recent, though not 100% so .. they are basically siblings
[10:29] <galaticos> so i better read the man-page more carefully.
[10:30] <againstme> ok. i have read great reviews about it so i thought id give it a  try
[10:30] <eyequeue> galaticos:  both will work, but pick one and learn it well, i would say
[10:30] <galaticos> ok
[10:31] <galaticos> againstme: what do you want to install linux for?
[10:31] <galaticos> I think this is nice for use as a regular desktop system.
[10:31] <againstme> i basically want to learn more about unix. i have some programing skills and want to get to know linux/unix better
[10:31] <bob2> ubuntu is an excellent choice then
[10:32] <againstme> i am running osx tiger and love it. but i want to learn more about osx unix side
[10:32] <galaticos> againstme: yes, that's why i installed linux too :) It seems great so far.
[10:32] <magneto> againstme: ubuntu is a great place to start
[10:32] <Tomcat_> againstme: Indeed excellent... my Linux learning jumped when I installed Ubuntu on all machines.
[10:33] <transgress> what would happen if i used rpm -Uhv on an ubuntu system... seeing as it has rpm installed...
[10:33] <againstme> does it have an auto-partitioner or do i need to manually partition my drive?
[10:33] <magneto> is there a liveDVD for macs?
[10:33] <eyequeue> againstme:  i think ubuntu will suit you well.  one bit of advice:  if you want to compile against a given library, say "foo" you not only want to install libfoo, but you also will want a libfoo-dev package.  -dev is a common oversight wibies codersth new
[10:33] <Tomcat_> transgress: Use "alien" for RPM packages...
[10:33] <thoreauputic> transgress: nothing good
[10:33] <Tomcat_> transgress: I'm not sure what would happen with rpm, but alien can convert rpm packages to debian ones.
[10:34] <eyequeue> againstme:  wtf did i just type?  ... with newbie coders, it should have read
[10:34] <transgress> Tomcat_: yeah i did that... vmware doesn't seem to like that.
[10:34] <Nermal> every time I come in here someone has added an extra 'PLEASE' to the don't use breezy topic
[10:34] <Tomcat_> Nermal: There are still people installing it. :\
[10:34] <againstme> is ubuntu command to install packages and apps? or is it like the new mandrake where it has a graphical install for downloaded packages and apps
[10:35] <eyequeue> Nermal:  it appears some just aren't listening
[10:35] <bob2> againstme: there's both
[10:35] <galaticos> againstme: both.
[10:35] <Nermal> maybe make a support channel for breezy then
[10:35] <galaticos> what is "breezy"?
[10:35] <bob2> Nermal: it's called "the ubuntu-devel list"
[10:35] <Nermal> the development branch of ubuntu
[10:35] <Nermal> bob2, o
[10:35] <Tomcat_> galaticos: The November 2005 release of Ubuntu
[10:35] <eyequeue> galaticos:  the very broken development branch
[10:35] <galaticos> ok. not for me then :) not right now.
[10:35] <bob2> and people should just not be using it at all if they don't know how to fix it
[10:36] <galaticos> i'm happy when someone else does the dirty work, and i can carry on having fun
[10:36] <Tomcat_> There's no need for the development branch if you aren't a developer anyway... the last release is only 2 months old and has loads of almost bleeding-edge software.
[10:36] <bob2> Tomcat_: some people have a genetic propensity to require cvs snapshots of everything
[10:36] <bob2> or else they die, it seems
[10:37] <bob2> ;-p
[10:37] <galaticos> heh
[10:37] <againstme> is it gnome?
[10:37] <bob2> againstme: ubuntu includes kde and gnome
[10:37] <eyequeue> againstme:  the new release of gnome comes out every 6 months, ubuntu has it and reases a day or few after :)
[10:37] <eyequeue> reLeases
[10:37] <againstme> ok
[10:38] <Tomcat_> bob2: Yeah, I know a couple of those... but those I know are the ones who can cope with it. :P
[10:38] <againstme> any of you uploading it through bit torrent?
[10:38] <Heart|> is there a place where i can see which version of paket FOO is included in ubuntu?
[10:38] <Tomcat_> againstme: Ubuntu's gnome is better configured *imho*
[10:38] <Tomcat_> Heart|: packages.ubuntu.com
[10:38] <eyequeue> againstme:  i'm not now, but i've d/l'd ubuntu isos via bt in the past
[10:38] <galaticos> Heart|: do you have ubuntu installed?
[10:39] <againstme> fast via bt?
[10:39] <Tomcat_> Heart|: But synaptic or apt-cache search foo if you have installed it.
[10:39] <againstme> because ive downloaded the live from the ftp and slower than anything
[10:39] <magneto> bt was real fast for the DVD
[10:39] <eyequeue> againstme:  and yes, any time my bt client is on, i'm offering both ubuntu images (and i note many grab it, which makes me happy)
[10:40] <againstme> im going to start the dl right now
[10:40] <eyequeue> well "both" meaning live and install cd, not dvd
[10:40] <Heart|> galaticos: not yet... downloaded yesterday kubuntu and will give it a try i think
[10:40] <Tomcat_> People are constantly downloading it around me... I think I got 5 laptop users switched now. :o
[10:40] <eyequeue> and only ubuntu here, not kubuntu, i just don't have the drive space
[10:41] <galaticos> Heart|: ok. my cousin gave me a CD last night, and i installed it today on my second hard disk. It is nice :)
[10:41] <againstme> i hope i can fill up my bandwidth with this download. i have a big pipe and its a shame when bt downloads are slow
[10:42] <againstme> damn its going slow
[10:43] <galaticos> againstme: just get it from a fast server. since you have the bandwidth.
[10:43] <againstme> ive tried before
[10:43] <againstme> very slow
[10:43] <galaticos> againstme: in which country are you?
[10:43] <Heart|> hoary is actual release which i downloaded yesterday?
[10:43] <againstme> us
[10:43] <againstme> im getting the dvd with is bt only
[10:44] <Hajuu> heya
[10:44] <galaticos> againstme: no need to get the DVD. . just get the CD
[10:44] <Hajuu> root@ubuntu:/usr/lib/menu # ./mysql-admin
[10:44] <Hajuu> bash: ./mysql-admin: Permission denied
[10:44] <Hajuu> How does THAT work!
[10:44] <galaticos> Hajuu: sudo ./mysql-admin
[10:44] <IIIEars> Just get the install CD you will be fine.
[10:44] <Hajuu> look at the user im running it as
[10:44] <bob2> Hajuu: er, that means it's not executable
[10:44] <nigh> hello all. i'm new to ubuntu. :) i've just installed the system and i don't have any sound. I have ICH6 so i found this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HdaIntelSoundHowto but something is wrong. The first way is ok until i try type sudo alsaconf -> i get "unknown command". So i tried the alternative way. But I got "cannot find packet"
[10:44] <galaticos> Hajuu: oh -.-
[10:45] <Hajuu> Wonder why..
[10:45] <eyequeue> Heart|:  yes
[10:45] <nigh> could someone help me?
[10:45] <bob2> Hajuu: things in /usr/lib aren't going to be usefully runable
[10:45] <Heart|> warty is then the old one?
[10:45] <againstme> what kind of bandwidth do you guys get from your isp?
[10:45] <eyequeue> Heart|:  yes
[10:45] <Heart|> k
[10:45] <Hajuu> yeah s'ok there was a different copy in /usr/bin
[10:45] <eyequeue> againstme:  you're grabbing the dvd?
[10:46] <againstme> yes
[10:46] <againstme> im getting the cd now also
[10:46] <bob2> Hajuu: it's not a different copy, it's the program you should be running
[10:46] <Hajuu> ah yeah
[10:46] <Hajuu> nice
[10:46] <galaticos> againstme: just get the CD. the installer updates and installs packages fresh from the www, so it is nice.
[10:46] <thoreauputic> nigh: there's no alsaconf in ubuntu
[10:46] <Hajuu> I still cant find the mysqlc file
[10:46] <againstme> but im just curious. what kind of bandwidth do you guys get from your isp?
[10:46] <eyequeue> againstme:  okay, i put limewire up, to help you, but i'll take it down now wince i don't have the dvd and really could use the bw right now for something else
[10:47] <galaticos> againstme: i am on a 56kbps dialup, which usually works at 40kbps
[10:47] <againstme> ah man. im sorry to hear that
[10:47] <nigh> thoreauputic, ok... so why is this in ubuntu wiki? how to handle with intel high definition audio?
[10:47] <johnnybezak> hey guys, how do i start the vnc server with gnome from the cli ?
[10:47] <thoreauputic> nigh: I don't know why it's on the wiki
[10:47] <eyequeue> againstme:  i think mine is 1.5 down and 256 up, per official word, but they're upping it to 3 ... that said, mine has sucked lately for some reason
[10:48] <bob2> nigh: why do you want to run alsaconf?
[10:48] <thoreauputic> nigh: probably written by a debian user?
[10:48] <againstme> i am running on a 5 down 520 up dsl line
[10:48] <galaticos> againstme: evil.
[10:48] <nigh> hmm.. ok. so what should I do to get sound?
[10:49] <galaticos> anyway, thanks all of you :) first day with ubuntu been nice so far. Now i have to wait for everything new to download and install.
[10:49] <galaticos> Time for lunch now.
[10:49] <bob2> nigh: you shouldn't have to do anything at all
[10:50] <eyequeue> galaticos:  play with it, have fun
[10:50] <againstme> speaking of updates, are they automatic or do you need to manually update?
[10:50] <eyequeue> againstme:  apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
[10:50] <againstme> oh ok
[10:51] <nigh> hmm.. so there is no way to get sound with intel high definition audio?
[10:51] <eyequeue> againstme:  weekly is probably adequate, though of course, security issues want patching the moment the patch comes out ,yadda yadda
[10:51] <zongzi> intel?
[10:51] <zongzi> who cares?
[10:51] <againstme> no brainer
[10:52] <bob2> nigh: why do yo uthink you have to do anything?
[10:52] <zongzi> ...
[10:52] <Turoq> is it normal to get only 2000 fps on glxgears with ati mobility radeon 9700 ?
[10:52] <bob2> nigh: isn't the module loaded at boot?
[10:52] <bob2> glxgears is not a useful benchmarking tool</daniels>
[10:52] <Firetech> Turoq: "only"?
[10:52] <nigh> bob2, which module?
[10:52] <Turoq> firetech it is only
[10:52] <nigh> there is alsa-1.0.8
[10:52] <zongzi> I just want ubuntu to make coffee for me :)
[10:52] <Turoq> quake3 lags, doom3 doesnt work at all
[10:52] <bob2> nigh: presumably snd-i810
[10:53] <Turoq> with windows, doom3 works with medium settings
[10:53] <thoreauputic> zongzi: apt-cache search coffeemaker ;)
[10:53] <Turoq> and quake3 works with best settings
[10:53] <eyequeue> nigh:  i have zero idea if this applies to you or not, i'm no sound expert, though this does have an effect on me with a different intel chipset
[10:53] <zongzi> o_O O-O
[10:53] <zongzi> Orz
[10:54] <zongzi> debain(ubuntu) is amazing
[10:55] <eyequeue> nigh:  every so often, i have to run alsamixer as root ("sudo alsamixer") and DISable any hardware i don't own (things like external amplifiers) on this laptop
[10:55] <thoreauputic> zongzi: but no coffeemaker! :D
[10:55] <eyequeue> nigh:  uppercase M to mute
[10:55] <zongzi> argh
[10:55] <nigh> bob2, i haven't
[10:55] <zongzi> play me?
[10:56] <zongzi> M
[10:56] <nigh> eyequeue, Hmm... how to get alsa-source..? with apt
[10:56] <zongzi> mute?
[10:57] <eyequeue> nigh:  sudo apt-get install alsa-utils, for the alsamixer app
[10:57] <Firetech> nigh: use apt-get source [package-here] 
[10:57] <nigh> this is exactly my case: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23634.html
[10:57] <Firetech> you might want to do an apt-get build-dep [package-here]  too
[10:57] <eyequeue> nigh:  sudo apt-get install alsa-source, if you really are looking for the source code for some reason
[10:58] <Hajuu_> Anybody know the default mysql password?
[10:58] <nigh> eyequeue,  packet not found
[10:59] <bob2> nigh: so, 2.6.10 doesn't support your card?
[10:59] <eyequeue> Hajuu:  i think /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/* has how to set one (perhaps in README.Debian)
[10:59] <cantique_N> hai....!!!!!!
[10:59] <zongzi> hi
[10:59] <nigh> bob2, i need alsa 1.0.9 or later
[10:59] <cantique_N> asl plz?
[11:00] <bob2> cantique_N: please stop it
[11:00] <imsdle> i can't get my modem lights to work.. pon ISP works in terminal but not in the preferences of the modem lights
[11:00] <nigh> Firetech, Does your command give the same effect as needed in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[11:00] <nigh> ?
[11:01] <zongzi> nigh:  alsa-lib?
[11:01] <IIIEars> !fix sound
[11:01] <ubotu> methinks fix sound is ""http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/""
[11:01] <eyequeue> imsdle:  this isn't a fix, but something you may find interesting/useful
[11:01] <Firetech> nigh: do the latter one on that page and ignore what I said.
[11:02] <eyequeue> imsdle:  apt-cache show tleds ... the program makes your keyboard lights into receive and transmit indicators.  i liked it and installed it on every machine, back when i had keyboard lights (laptop lacks them now)
[11:03] <Hajuu_> uhm.. my mysqladmin says it cant connect to the mysql server.. even though in this console window my mysqld says that its ready for connections
[11:03] <nigh> Firetech, but i cannot get alsa-source
[11:03] <cantique_N> yogyakarta
[11:03] <Hajuu_> I have no firewa
[11:03] <Hajuu_> ll
[11:03] <nigh> zongzi, there is no alsa-lib
[11:04] <Firetech> nigh: you have to enable universe in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:04] <nigh> ha
[11:04] <againstme> alright everyone, thanks for all your help. im going to head out
[11:04] <zongzi> nigh:  why?
[11:04] <cantique_N> yogyakarta
[11:04] <zongzi> nigh:  alsa-lib 1.0.9?
[11:04] <wijnand> when a new version of ubuntu is released, do i have to re-install, or does Synaptic install all the upgraded packages for me?
[11:05] <nigh> Firetech, what's the shortest way? i'm totally noob as you can see ;)
[11:05] <KarlosII> you have switch the source to the new release
[11:05] <Firetech> nigh: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:05] <thoreauputic> wijnand: you just change your sources and dist-upgrade
[11:05] <IIIEars> wijnand - you can just upgrade
[11:05] <wijnand> KarlosII: so just add the new repository
[11:05] <KarlosII> exactly
[11:05] <Fator_Dee> is there a completely free burning application for windows?
[11:05] <wijnand> excellent
[11:06] <eyequeue> Hajuu:  is mysqld listening on 127.0.0.1? on 192.168,x.x? on 220.235.55.189?
[11:06] <IIIEars> One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:06] <thoreauputic> Fator_Dee: Free as in Freedom?
[11:06] <Fator_Dee> thoreauputic: yea
[11:06] <thoreauputic> good question...
[11:06] <upgrdman_> where under /usr/src/linux is the initrd?
[11:06] <eyequeue> Hajuu_:  mysqladmin probably defaults to localhost
[11:06] <wijnand> Fator_Dee: i installed one on my mom's pc once, it looked a lot like nero but i haven't a clue what it was called
[11:06] <johnnybezak> when i try and start ssh it fails
[11:07] <eyequeue> johnnybezak:  error?
[11:07] <LinuxNap> Hello
[11:07] <LinuxNap> i need to know how to install
[11:07] <eyequeue> johnnybezak:  um, server or client?
[11:07] <LinuxNap> libmimic
[11:08] <upgrdman_> anyone know where initrd would be?
[11:08] <mindspin> locate initrd ?
[11:09] <eyequeue> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-686/include/linux/initrd.h
[11:09] <nigh> Firetech, thanx :). now I try second way
[11:09] <Firetech> good luck :)
[11:09] <Ng> upgrdman_: /boot/
[11:09] <zongzi> (hehe kernel exam...)
[11:09] <melissa_> what was that eyequeue?
[11:09] <nigh> actually thanx to everyone :)
[11:09] <upgrdman_> well ok let me restart... i needed to compile my kernel by hand because i need raid built in, not as modules... so i apt-get
[11:09] <upgrdman_> 'err
[11:09] <melissa_> i can't get my modem lights to work.. pon ISP works in terminal but not in the preferences of the modem lights
[11:09] <Hajuu_> eyequeue:  Uhm... ive set it to use 127.0.0.1.. and ive setup a mysql password now
[11:09] <nigh> nice place here :)
[11:09] <Hajuu_> but still no connect
[11:09] <eyequeue> melissa_:  response to <upgrdman_> anyone know where initrd would be?
[11:10] <LinuxNap> guys is there a way to webcam with linux amsn?
[11:10] <zongzi> (somebody would sell his snake-oil)
[11:10] <eyequeue> melissa_:  sorry, wrong paste, to this, <upgrdman_> where under /usr/src/linux is the initrd?
[11:10] <upgrdman_> so i apt-get'd kernel source, extraced to /usr/src and copied the ubuntu config into there and make menuconfig to change raid stuff... then make and make modules install
[11:10] <eyequeue> Hajuu_:  cool
[11:10] <Firetech> LinuxNap: yes, but you have to compile a new version yourself
[11:10] <LinuxNap> but i heard about a program called
[11:11] <LinuxNap> libmimic
[11:11] <xukun> hi all
[11:11] <upgrdman_> so i edited grub, and i didnt know what to put for initrd, so i just omitted that line... and i get a kernel panic
[11:11] <LinuxNap> and read somewhere that it was a webcam script
[11:11] <eyequeue> Hajuu_:  hint, uswe -p and *no* password in your commandline, it will prompt you for one, but *not* save it in your .bash_history file, much safer
[11:11] <Hajuu_> eyequeue:  this is a gui tool.
[11:11] <xukun> I wonder if there is a way to listen internet radio without using the brouwser?
[11:11] <Hajuu_> I cant find my command line client
[11:11] <eyequeue> Hajuu_:  ah, gui confuses me, heh
[11:12] <thoreauputic> xukun: of course
[11:12] <mindspin> xukun xmms
[11:12] <Ng> upgrdman_: you will need to make an initrd for the kernel you compiled
[11:12] <upgrdman_> eyequeue, does ubuntu require initrd lines in grub? in gentoo i never specified an initrd....
[11:12] <Firetech> LinuxNap: I've never heard of that, I don't use aMSN, and I don't have a webcam, so I know no other way than the new source compiling way
[11:12] <upgrdman_> Ng, ok... in gentoo i didnt... is this ubuntu specific?
[11:12] <thoreauputic> xukun: or streamtuner with xmms, or amarok, or rhythmbox....
[11:12] <eyequeue> upgrdman_:  hmm, i know in lilo i needed something, let me grep /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:12] <LinuxNap> can i paste urls inhere?
[11:12] <Ng> upgrdman_: not just ubuntu, other distros do it as well. It lets them break the kernel up into more modules so it's smaller
[11:13] <mindspin> realplayer /me duck 'n hide
[11:13] <Hajuu_> me too... I just cannot for the life of me find my mysql client :(
[11:13] <xukun> so many options. nice
[11:13] <upgrdman_> Ng, o ok... so how do i compile the initrd
[11:13] <eyequeue> upgrdman_:  apparently so: initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-686
[11:13] <Ng> no
[11:13] <Ng> don't do that
[11:13] <Ng> eyequeue: don't tell people to do things you don't understand ;)
[11:13] <steven> hi, is there a program alike modconf from debian in ubuntu?
[11:13] <upgrdman_> eyequeue, yes but that from the deb package! i said i had to compile my own kernel by hand... so thats not the initrd i need
[11:14] <eyequeue> Ng:  pardon me?  what did i tell someone to do?
[11:14] <Ng> eyeque: that initrd line you just patest, that will load the initrd for the ubuntu kernel, which will be full of modules that probably won't load on his compiled kernel
[11:14] <Ng> eyequeue: he compiled his ownkernel , so he needs to make his own initrd
[11:14] <eyequeue> upgrdman_:  that's a line that says yes, grub wants to be told via menu.lst
[11:14] <Hajuu_> I forget.. how I do I find out where apt-get installed something again?
[11:14] <LinuxNap> Any1 inhere who has time to pm me and help me out plz?
[11:14] <Ng> Hajuu_: dpkg -L packagename
[11:14] <eyequeue> Ng:  paste to me where i told him that he should use that line
[11:15] <upgrdman_> Ng, so how do i get my initrd? make init?
[11:15] <Ng> Hajuu_: or if you use synaptic, bring up the properties of the package and choose "installed files"
[11:15] <LinuxNap> How do i install .tar.gz files?
[11:15] <eyequeue> Ng:  <upgrdman_> eyequeue, does ubuntu require initrd lines in grub? in gentoo i never specified an initrd.... <eyequeue> upgrdman_:  hmm, i know in lilo i needed something, let me grep /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:15] <mindspin> unpack with tar xvfz name.tar.gz
[11:15] <thoreauputic> LinuxNap: it depends... reading th ereadme is a good start
[11:15] <Ng> upgrdman_: the tool is called "mkinitrd", you'll want to call it with something like "sudo mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-custom 2.6.whateverversionyoucompiled"
[11:16] <Ng> eyequeue: read the rest of his questions
[11:16] <LinuxNap> well
[11:16] <LinuxNap> if i extract them
[11:16] <mindspin> oscommerce ?
[11:16] <LinuxNap> can i use synpactics then?
[11:16] <KarlosII> oscommerce, ok I'll google it
[11:16] <thoreauputic> Ng: you misunderstood what eyequeue was meaning by his reply
[11:16] <eyequeue> Ng:  thanks for the criticism, but no thanks, i don't need to be told i said something i did not, good night
[11:17] <mindspin> cd to the directory and read the README file
[11:17] <upgrdman_> Ng, thanks! so what is an initrd? i know it stand for initial ram disk... but whats that do
[11:17] <thoreauputic> Ng: no, you misread
[11:17] <Ng> upgrdman_: it's a small image that contains enough scripts and kernel modules to initialise the hardware and disks needed to boot the rest of the syste
[11:17] <imsdle> pon ISP doesn't work on my modem lights. i have setup the PPPCONFIG and after i have loged into root the pon ISP works fine in terminal
[11:17] <upgrdman_> ok cool
[11:17] <upgrdman_> brb, gonna try it out again
[11:18] <imsdle> is there a command i can put beofre the pon
[11:18] <xukun> thoreauputic, how do I use streamtuner with xmms to listen internet radio?
[11:18] <Ng> thoreauputic: I disagree, but I don't care :)
[11:18] <shen> Hello. I'm having trouble apt-getting the pinball package on Hoary for ppc.
[11:18] <xukun> thoreauputic, I think that is what I want
[11:18] <thoreauputic> Ng: that you don't care is clear
[11:18] <shen>  I think the dependencies are broken. I'm on hour 2 of linux though, so I'm not totally sure. Could someone help me verify this?
[11:18] <LinuxNap> thoreau pm
[11:18] <thoreauputic> xukun: it does it by default - it's in the prefs
[11:19] <upgrdman_> Ng, so how does mkinitrd know which kernel its making an initrd for?
[11:20] <xukun> thoreauputic, I think its not isntalled on my system, all I can find is xmms
[11:20] <Ng> upgrdman_: you tell it, in the example command I gave the final argument is the kernel version you want to make the initrd for, which is the same as the name of the folder it created in /lib/ for the kernel you compiled
[11:20] <thoreauputic> xukun: that's right - you have to install streamtuner :)
[11:20] <upgrdman_> Ng, but wasnt that just the filename/path for it to create the initrd to?
[11:21] <xukun> thoreauputic, just apt-get install streamtuner?
[11:21] <thoreauputic> xukun: if you have the universe repository, yes, sudo apt-get install streamtuner
[11:21] <gocili> on Ubuntu...when I try to run a program that requires a root password from my user account...even though I know the root password...it says that it is not the right one
[11:22] <gocili> how do I fix that
[11:22] <Ng> upgrdman_: that was the -o argument
[11:22] <mindspin> xukun go to edit->preferences and choose the apprpriate output plugin
[11:22] <thoreauputic> !rootsudo
[11:22] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:22] <thoreauputic> gocili: read that URL
[11:22] <LinuxNap> can some1 plz explain me how i have to install .tar.gz files,thx u
[11:22] <gocili> ty
[11:22] <upgrdman_> o... the way it shows on my screen it looke just like it was wrapped text to the next line
[11:22] <Ng> upgrdman_: hehe :)
[11:23] <mindspin> LinuxNap did you extract the file?
[11:23] <melodie> hello all
[11:23] <upgrdman_> brb, testing it out
[11:24] <melodie> could someone help me find out how to open DVD that's stocked in ?
[11:24] <melodie> error message is
[11:24] <melodie> program eject is using a deprecated SCSI ioctl, please convert it to SG_IO
[11:24] <melodie> usually I can open it ok
[11:24] <melodie> but there it's painful
[11:24] <thoreauputic> LinuxNap: please don't just assume that people are available in PM for you
[11:24] <LinuxNap> yeah but it's like no1 is helping the noob
[11:25] <LinuxNap> thought the noob should really be helped to learn how to get a hang of this
[11:25] <mindspin> haha
[11:25] <mindspin> I gave you advice noob
[11:25] <thoreauputic> LinuxNap: mindspin LinuxNap did you extract the file?  << I see no answer from you
[11:25] <LinuxNap> ow didn't read that
[11:25] <LinuxNap> wall i extract the file
[11:26] <LinuxNap> and now i got the libmimic directory
[11:26] <MegaManX> Hi all! I need some help installing Ubuntu in another machine...
[11:26] <IIIEars> LinuxNap - See? - We really do care.
[11:26] <mindspin> cd into that directory
[11:26] <thoreauputic> LinuxNap: have you looked froa README file?
[11:26] <upgrdman_> Ng, it worked... thanks!
[11:26] <LinuxNap> i tried to go to synaptics and search for it but it doesn't find anything
[11:26] <LinuxNap> well the readme doesn't explain how to install it
[11:26] <mindspin> I said cd to that directory
[11:26] <upgrdman_> Ng, but it only partially fixed my problems
[11:26] <mindspin> is there a file called INSTALL ?
[11:27] <LinuxNap> yes
[11:27] <LinuxNap> press it?
[11:27] <mindspin> read it
[11:27] <LinuxNap> k brb
[11:27] <Ng> upgrdman_: ok, what's next. By the way, you can make a proper package when you compile a kernel - see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto
[11:27] <upgrdman_> Ng, is it possible to scroll up in the first virtual terminal, without loggin in first... shift-pgup doesnt work once it gets to the login part... and after logging it, i can scroll up past what i could see at the login stage
[11:27] <upgrdman_> Ng, sweet thx
[11:27] <thoreauputic> OK later guys - have fun
[11:28] <MegaManX> The thing is, I've succesfully install Ubuntu in an older machine. I'm writting from it right now, so it works ;). I've tried to install Ubuntu in my new machine and it always fails during "Installing base system". specially at the part where it install bsdutils. It says the media is damaged. Fair enough, I've other 9 copies from Ubuntu, same error, at the same point.
[11:28] <IIIEars>  /msg ubotu KernelHowto is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto
[11:29] <MegaManX> In this machine, as you see, Ubuntu works fine. I believe the error are memories (I've 1GB in the other computer) or something funny is happening with the DVD reader. Weird is, WinXP and SuSE install just fine.
[11:29] <IIIEars>  /msg ubotu KernelHowto is "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto"
[11:29] <upgrdman_> Ng, i want to scroll up because i get some fsck errors, and after pressing ctrl-d it realizes it was wrong
[11:29] <Ng> upgrdman_: yes, the output is written to /var/log/dmesg and probably if you do "tail -200 /var/log/syslog" you'll see stuff too. not all of the service names will necessarily be there. it depends which bit you're looking for really
[11:29] <IIIEars> finally- eh? -lol
[11:29] <Ng> fsck stuff probably won't be in dmesg though
[11:30] <upgrdman_> ya
[11:30] <upgrdman_> well um
[11:30] <upgrdman_> i have most of it in a forum post anyway
[11:30] <upgrdman_> i wrote it down a while ago
[11:30] <IIIEars> If i needed to type to earn a living i would definetly be thin.
[11:30] <upgrdman_> Ng, would you mind looking at a link to my post and try to help me figure it out?
[11:30] <Ng> upgrdman_: link away
[11:30] <upgrdman_> ok cool, one sec
[11:32] <shen> using the synaptic package manager to install pinball doesn't work either
[11:32] <Ng> shen: try installing pinball-data first
[11:32] <Ng> ah no
[11:32] <Ng> that won't quite work either
[11:32] <upgrdman_> Ng, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35679 ... now that i have built in raid support (before it was modules) the only problem is fsck shows the warning...but it seems like now it always makes the raid arrays right afterwards
[11:33] <Ng> shen: it looks like the package is broken right now
[11:33] <Big_T> i have installed some games from synaptic and they dont show up in my applications menu, i can still start the games from a console. Did I miss something?
[11:33] <rixth> How could I get the names of all subdirectories and their subdirectories? (Using the command line)
[11:34] <NAZGUL> hello everybody, just one question! Could it be that it not possible to download realplayer,win32 codecs, libdvdcss and that stuff for ubuntu over the backport sources???I was trying to download them after I installed ubuntu on my brand new computer, but i didnt't find them anymore!
[11:34] <Ng> "find /path/to/search -type d"
[11:34] <Ng> rixth: ^^
[11:34] <rixth> Ng, thanks
[11:34] <Ng> upgrdman_: it looks like the fsck stuff is trying to run before the raid array has been set up
[11:34] <upgrdman_> Ng, if i unsterstand whats going on, i think fsck is trying to check one of my arrays just before it's created... but its created right after the fsck stage... the Mounting local filesystems stage make the arrays (or sees them or whatever)
[11:34] <upgrdman_> ya exactly
[11:35] <ubuntu> hi
[11:35] <upgrdman_> Ng, how to i make fsck check later on during bootup...
[11:36] <Ng> upgrdman_: in /etc/fstab, do the md0 and md1 entries have 1 or 2 as the final number on their line?
[11:36] <upgrdman_> /dev/md0        /data_array1    ext3    defaults        0       2
[11:36] <upgrdman_> /dev/md1        /data_array2    ext3    defaults        0       2
[11:36] <upgrdman_> 2
[11:36] <Ng> yeah, that's right
[11:36] <Ng> hmm
[11:37] <Ng> upgrdman_: the scripts that get run in the early boot stages are in /etc/rcS.d/ and on mine it calls mdadm-raid, lvm and evms before checkfs, so it ought to get that right. I'm not sure what else to suggest at the moment
[11:38] <MegaManX> Looks like it's not only me having the same problem with Ubuntu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27043
[11:39] <upgrdman_> Ng, ya same on my system
[11:39] <upgrdman_> :|
[11:39] <shen> ng: thanks
[11:39] <upgrdman_> Ng, would moving S30checkfs.sh to like S80checkfs.sh help?
[11:40] <Ng> upgrdman_: that would move it after the point where they are mounted, so no
[11:40] <Tatster> Can someone point me in the direction of a Wake-on-Lan client I can run on my Ubuntu box to wake up a Windows machine?
[11:40] <Ng> upgrdman_: you don't want to be fscking a partition that's mounted really ;)
[11:40] <upgrdman_> o ya, forgot
[11:41] <upgrdman_> i wonder if maybe its a time issue... like the arrays are being made, but it takes a few seconds, and fsck checks before it done assembling the arrays?
[11:41] <Ng> upgrdman_: it's a possibility, you could try sticking "sleep 30" at the end of the mdadm-raid one, then tune it down if that works. it's a bit hacky though ;)
[11:41] <upgrdman_> ya
[11:42] <upgrdman_> im kinda despressed
[11:42] <upgrdman_> this was going to be my file server
[11:42] <melodie> hello,
[11:42] <upgrdman_> i want it to not be hacky :)
[11:42] <melodie> could someone help me to find out what prevents
[11:42] <melodie> the DVD to open ?
[11:42] <Ng> melodie: is it a movie DVD or a DVD of files?
[11:43] <Ng> upgrdman_: if that does fix it, you could legitimately report that as a bug and suggest that when it finds a raid array it should sleep while it settles
[11:43] <upgrdman_> hum
[11:43] <upgrdman_> well its a shot
[11:43] <IIIEars> !Debian
[11:43] <upgrdman_> so after the last line for mdadm, add a sleep 30 line?
[11:43] <ubotu> debian is probably "http://www.debian.org http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html#contents Thank You Ian and DEBra Murdock! 1994 Vers. 0.9"
[11:43] <melodie> its a audio CD
[11:44] <Ng> upgrdman_: yeah ;)
[11:45] <upgrdman_> brb
[11:46] <melodie> Ng: usually, il opens, sometimes, it fails, now I just can't open it
[11:49] <Ng> melodie: I mean, is the DVD that's stuck in there a movie DVD or something with files on that you had mounted?
[11:49] <teresa_> whats up from texas people
[11:49] <melodie> Ng: I say it's a music CD
[11:50] <melodie> I was testing the Gnome Baker to copy a CD
[11:50] <Ng> melodie: ok, in that case there's probably not much you can do to force it, short of rebooting, as far as I know, the drive has probably "crashed"
[11:51] <Ubuntian> is it possible to change the fan of the power supply?
[11:52] <melodie> Ng: Ok, I'll reboot
[11:52] <christos> melodie: my cd doesn't eject too if i don't umount it
[11:52] <melodie> Ng: what do you think about the following message error ?
[11:52] <Fator_Dee> Ubuntian: it is possible, but you'll lose the warranty
[11:53] <melodie> christos: shell answers: 'nothing to umount according to mtab'
[11:53] <Fator_Dee> Ubuntian: and, if you don't know what you are doing, don't do it :-|
[11:53] <Ng> yeah
[11:53] <Ng> that you've asked the question suggests you shouldn't try ;)
[11:53] <melodie> Ng: a 'dmesg|tail' gives me:
[11:54] <melodie> program eject is using a deprecated SCSI ioctl, please convert it to SG_IO'
[11:54] <Tatster> Can someone point me in the direction of a Wake-on-Lan client I can run on my Ubuntu box to wake up a Windows machine?
[11:54] <semperFi> hi can anyone help me?
[11:54] <melodie> just after it says 'this cdrom does not have any track I recognise'
[11:54] <Ng> melodie: that just means that the kernel interface has changed and they are warning that the old one will be going soon, but that error shouldn't be related to this problem
[11:54] <semperFi> i am using Ubuntu kernel 2.6.8.1 and i want to run make xconfig
[11:54] <Ng> I get that error sometimes too
[11:55] <Ng> semperFi: you want to build a new kernel?
[11:55] <semperFi> but i get Unable to find the QT installation error... whats the actual name of this package i assume its .deb extension
[11:55] <semperFi> Ngyes
[11:55] <Ng> ah
[11:55] <Ng> probably libqt3-dev
[11:55] <semperFi> can you help me?
[11:56] <Ng> semperFi: you might want to look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto if you haven't already
[11:56] <melodie> Ng: ok, thanks
[11:56] <voth> anyone here have a chance to use the linux version of Nero yet?
[11:56] <ottoaim_> voth:nah, i stick to k3b
[11:56] <voth> well, i don't use KDE
[11:57] <upgrdman_> huym
[11:57] <melodie> voth: I don't, as gnomebaker works fine
[11:57] <melodie> ;)
[11:57] <upgrdman_> well i got a pic of the raid problem
[11:57] <upgrdman_> weird thing is that it didnt sleep for 30 seconds... maybe thats cause it was _not_ in one of those loops
[11:57] <voth> well, i have gnomebaker installed, have really yet to test it.
[11:57] <voth> melodie, how does it handle iso, img, etc. other image files
[11:58] <semperFi> is there an mirc for Ubuntu linux?
[11:58] <Ng> semperFi: no, but xchat is far better ;)
[11:59] <voth> semperFi, use X-Chat
[11:59] <Ng> upgrdman_: maybe stick the sleep right at the end of the mdadm file? or at the beginning of the checkfs one maybe
[11:59] <voth> irssi is even better (for shell'ing in, etc.)
[11:59] <Heart|> when i install (k)ubuntu... do the setup recognize my matroy g400 dualhead card so that i can use both monitors?
[11:59] <upgrdman_> Ng, http://www.cgartwork.com/misc/ubuntu-raid-problems.jpg
[11:59] <semperFi> Ng does it have the same server list as mirc?
[12:00] <semperFi> like, can i go to this channel using xchat?
[12:00] <melodie> voth: it handles with buttons in the menu bar'
[12:00] <semperFi> btw where do i downwload it from?
[12:00] <Ng> semperFi: to be honest I'm not sure, but it does come with a pretty bit list and you can add your own in
[12:00] <melodie> it's very fast to install
[12:00] <Fator_Dee> semperFi: you can use any client to get to any channel you want
[12:00] <voth> semperFi, it's installed be default
[12:00] <Ng> semperFi: what voth said :)
[12:00] <upgrdman_> Ng, after making an array with the mdadm command, was i supposed to put some info into a conf file? if so i didnt
[12:00] <melodie> I have a 56k connexion
[12:00] <melodie> and it took only a few minutes
[12:00] <semperFi> really ill check my ubuntu now
[12:01] <melodie> voth: it's on universe why not trying it ?
[12:01] <semperFi> i just saw it thanks voth and Ng
[12:01] <Ng> upgrdman_: did you put it in /etc/raidtab?
[12:01] <upgrdman_> nope
[12:01] <upgrdman_> i dont have a raidtab
[12:02] <upgrdman_> upgrdman@ubuntu-server:~$ locate raidtab
[12:02] <upgrdman_> upgrdman@ubuntu-server:~$
[12:03] <Ng> upgrdman_: I'm not quite sure what the "correct" way is in Ubuntu, but it probably is to stick an entry in there, have a look at the RAID HowTO on www.tldp.org, it should describe what to do
[12:03] <upgrdman_> i think i read something a while ago about how mdadm doesnt need a conf file (but it _can_ use one)
[12:04] <upgrdman_> weird thing is that the one made during install works perfectly... the one i made isnt detected until after fsck though :(
[12:04] <Ng> upgrdman_: yeah, that's what Im thinking too, it shouldn't *need* that because raid is quite discoverable
[12:04] <copilot> How would I enable DMA acceleration for NeroLinux
[12:08] <upgrdman_> Ng, thanks for all the help... i'll check back here later for people who know about raid in ubuntu... maybe they can figure this out :|
[12:08] <Siropel> anyone here can help me on setting the gateway in ifconfig ?
[12:09] <johnnybezak> hey guys im trying to start the sshd (sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start) and it says it fails
[12:09] <johnnybezak> any ideas why?
[12:09] <Ng> upgrdman_: ok
[12:09] <upgrdman> Ng, thanks again... off to bed i go
[12:09] <Ng> np
[12:09] <KarlosII> anyone have php working with apache?
[12:09] <Fator_Dee> johnnybezak: it fails because?
[12:09] <Fator_Dee> johnnybezak: be a little more informative
[12:10] <KarlosII> what did you need to do to get it working
[12:11] <Seveas> KarlosII, just installing libapache2-mod-php4 worked for me
[12:12] <KarlosII> hmm ff keeps defaulting to downloading php
[12:12] <Shufla> hello :)
[12:12] <Shufla> KarlosII: bad mime sent by server, afair
[12:13] <KarlosII> where do I adjust that?
[12:13] <Shufla> KarlosII: on server.
[12:13] <KarlosII> and hi
[12:13] <KarlosII> where on server?
[12:13] <Shufla> guys - would you pay for online support about ubuntu? not too much of course?
[12:13] <KarlosII> what file?
[12:13] <KarlosII> Shufla, depends
[12:13] <Shufla> KarlosII: ok. type an address on my priv, i'll check if that's server or client probvlem.
[12:14] <KarlosII> k
[12:14] <jason> test
[12:14] <anatole> can i set to hide the gdesklets icon in the system tray?
[12:14] <Shufla> 'cos i've got to quit my job. and i'm thinking about somethink like this.
[12:14] <Shufla> :D
[12:14] <Shufla> as addittional of course! :)
[12:15] <HawkeVIPER> Shufla, what, tech support?
[12:15] <Siropel> anyone here can help me on setting the gateway in ifconfig ?
[12:15] <Hajuu> ello
[12:15] <Shufla> HawkeVIPER: for ordinary [desktop]  user. and for server too
[12:15] <yotam> hello. can someone help me modprobing a sl-modem? I have no error in dmesg after installing patched drivers of slmodem-2.9.10, but when I try to do sudo modprobe slamr it says the device or resource is busy. I'm connected to the net with adsl usb modem, and I just want my faxmodem to work.
[12:15] <Shufla> KarlosII: ok. dpkg -l | grep php
[12:16] <HawkeVIPER> Shufla, you got any experience with plesk/cpanel?
[12:16] <Shufla> KarlosII: did you restart apache after libapache2-module-php4 instllation?
[12:16] <KarlosII> yes
[12:16] <Shufla> HawkeVIPER: no, sorry, i can't help you.
[12:16] <Hajuu> uhm.... when I run xsane.. it scans one image fine... but after that it says its out of memory :S
[12:16] <HawkeVIPER> Siropel, you can edit it manually..
[12:17] <Hajuu> any idea how to make it scan more than one image consecutavely?
[12:17] <HawkeVIPER> vi /etc/network/interfaces
[12:17] <Hajuu> heh
[12:17] <Shufla> KarlosII: do you have package libapache2-mod-php4 installed
[12:18] <Shufla> KarlosII: and why are you using apache1 and not apache2?
[12:18] <yotam> can anybody help with slmodem drivers installation in hoary?
[12:18] <KarlosII> good question
[12:19] <Shufla> KarlosII: :D and libapache2-mod-php4 is for apache2 only. i suggest that you should uninstall (purge) apache1 and install apache2.
[12:19] <KarlosII> k redooing
[12:20] <Shufla> Siropel: not in ifconfig. to set default gw: sudo route add default gw ip
[12:20] <Tatster> exit
[12:21] <riddler> linux 4 human
[12:21] <riddler> nice name
[12:22] <melodie> Ng: are you stil here ?
[12:22] <Shufla> windows 4 human - oxymoron? ;)
[12:22] <Ng> melodie: yes
[12:23] <melodie> Ng: someone advised me to open it with 'eject' as root: and it opened :)
[12:23] <melodie> I'm haaappy  :))
[12:23] <Ng> melodie: good good )
[12:23] <steven> shufla, well, next time he boots the gw is gone, so as hawkeviper wrote: add the gateway to your interfaces
[12:24] <Shufla> steven: ok. i read HawkeVIPER answer. but i wanted to be exact, that ifconfig isn't used to setup gw. if he asks one question and recives 2 good but not same answers his knowledge is rising. isn't it?
[12:24] <steven> sure:)
[12:32] <HawkeVIPER> hrm... did Z make xchat free again?
[12:33] <jcooke> I have a really weird problem, in a telnet session when using caps lock c and e dont capitalise any ideas?
[12:33] <Bazzi> xchat was and is still GPL'd
[12:33] <Ng> the windows binaries are shareware though
[12:33] <HawkeVIPER> Bazzi, it may well be, but a while back it went payware
[12:33] <Ng> HawkeVIPER: only for precompiled windows binaries
[12:33] <Shufla> jcooke: do not use telnet.
[12:33] <jcooke> I have to
[12:33] <HawkeVIPER> cool
[12:33] <Bazzi> and there are several unofficial (and better) builds than Z's
[12:33] <Shufla> jcooke: ok. it might be fuzzy terminal settings.
[12:33] <Shufla> jcooke: what is the destination system?
[12:38] <Seveas> shido..?
[12:38] <jubei> is the msn protocol working in kopete? mine says bad password but the pass is correct.
[12:47] <Goshawk> jubei: i'm on msn with kopete right now
[12:47] <Goshawk> jubei: kopete 0.10.2
[12:49] <rixth> Umm. FUCK! The application "gnome-terminal" terminated unexpectedly.
[12:49] <steven> Can anyone help me diagnose the problem with my new pc card (a 3com 3crpag175)? It stalls after a short period of time/trafic
[12:53] <Shufla> heh. duck and cover. n-korea has two nukes. i hope that do not have anything to move them.
[12:54] <HawkeVIPER> steven, do you have hotplugging enabled?
[12:54] <steven> hawkeviper, yeah - the card works.. but after a short period of time it stalls
[12:55] <HawkeVIPER> I have a friend who has an IBM laptop
[12:55] <HawkeVIPER> he has the same issue
[12:55] <jubei> thanks, i got new kopete from here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10993
[12:55] <HawkeVIPER> the way he resolved it was to disable hot plugging
[12:55] <Shufla> steven: what logs are saying?
[12:55] <HawkeVIPER> as it was resetting the PCI bus every so often and his net wasn't coming back
[12:55] <steven> hawkeviper, sounds interesting... But it's probably a Intel 2200 card
[12:56] <jcooke> shufla the destination system is a basic application running on red hat advanced server
[12:56] <steven> shufla, dmesg tells me that ath0 has no ipv6 route present
[12:56] <steven> but that shouldn't be the problem
[12:56] <Shufla> steven: huh. disable ipv6 as described in ubuntuguide.org first. and nothing else? card hungs and dmesg|/var/log/syslog are quiet?
[12:57] <Shufla> jcooke: well. ask for support person which is responsible for that system.
[12:57] <Shufla> jcooke: i feel that's not ubuntu problem, but something on server side. it's payed app with support, isn't it?
[12:57] <jcooke> he would tell me to use the windows client
[12:57] <steven> shufla, pretty quite - only some output from the dhclient
[12:58] <TD> hi
[12:58] <TD> i'm looking for somebody using ubuntu on AMD64
[12:58] <Shufla> TD: I'm running it right now. /ctcp version me.
[12:59] <TD> Shufla: could you please email a copy of your /lib/libc.so.6 file to me, or (ideally) upload it somewhere?
[12:59] <jcooke> hmm works fine on dead rats telnet
[12:59] <steven> shufla, where does the guide say anything about disabling ipv6?
[12:59] <Shufla> steven: huh. somewhere. for all system.
[12:59] <Shufla> TD: one moment
[12:59] <TD> thanks
[01:00] <Fator_Dee> does anyone know a good tutorial for regular expressions? man 7 regex left me quite empty handed :-\
[01:00] <Shufla> TD: but /lib/libc.so.6 is link to libc-2.3.2.so. do you have libc-2.3.2.so?
[01:00] <TD> Shufla: i don't run ubuntu (yet)
[01:00] <TD> Shufla: i need to fix a bug in autopackage that shows up with amd64 ubuntu systems
[01:00] <Shufla> Fator_Dee: google for it. there's much of them.
[01:00] <Shufla> TD: ok.
[01:00] <TD> Shufla: yes that file is fine
[01:00] <TD> Shufla: could you upload it somewhere temporarily so i can grab it?
[01:00] <Shufla> TD: one moment.
[01:01] <Fator_Dee> Shufla: I thought if someone in here would know of a good one :-\
[01:01] <TD> ah well this isn't wine related
[01:01] <Ng> TD: how you guys manage to track all the libc and icon/menu stuff in linux is beyond me ;)
[01:01] <TD> Ng: we're experts, you might say
[01:01] <Ng> hehe
[01:01] <TD> and sometimes it still breaks :)
[01:01] <Shufla> TD: http://nowak.eu.org/TD/
[01:02] <Ng> TD: well keep up the good work then ;)
[01:02] <newegg> hi all
[01:02] <Shufla> Fator_Dee: well. I learned from google results. and there's some books from oreilly.
[01:02] <TD> Shufla: interesting, kind of an old libc. this is hoary yes?
[01:02] <TD> Ng: thanks
[01:02] <johnnybezak> guys ssh isn't starting when i type sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[01:02] <Shufla> TD: indeed.
[01:03] <johnnybezak> it just fails, there isn't any output so i cant tell whats wrong
[01:03] <Shufla> johnnybezak: look at logs.
[01:03] <Shufla> johnnybezak: in /var/log/
[01:03] <johnnybezak> roger
[01:03] <djp> hi all. can somebody tell me if it would be a good idea to replace gedit with emacs or if that is at all possible?
[01:03] <johnnybezak> what log should i look at
[01:04] <Shufla> djp: yes :) if you like emacs, there's no problem to make it default in gnome.
[01:04] <Shufla> johnnybezak: /var/log/syslog
[01:04] <djp> Shufla: how do i make it my default editor?
[01:05] <djp> Shufla: hoary here by the way
[01:05] <newegg> djp:  yes, kill both them.... install nano
[01:05] <djp> newegg: now that is only going to confuse me! ;)
[01:05] <Shufla> djp: RMB on file and open default with.
[01:05] <johnnybezak> i grepped for ssh and nothing shows up
[01:05] <anatole> newegg: is there find&replace-all in nano?
[01:06] <Ng> johnnybezak: try /var/log/auth.log too
[01:06] <djp> Shufla: stupid me! that simple heh... (just like me by the look of things!) :)
[01:06] <steven> anatole, use emacs;)
[01:06] <djp> Shufla: cheers
[01:06] <newegg> anatole:  maybe
[01:06] <goldfish> vim !
[01:06] <anatole> :)
[01:06] <steven> anatole, ^% will do the job:)
[01:06] <steven> anatole, in emacs
[01:06] <Shufla> johnnybezak: hm. type: echo "*.* -/var/log/all.log" | sudo tee -a /etc/syslog.conf
[01:06] <newegg> anatole:  nano+ed
[01:06] <anatole> cuz gedit crashes when i want to replace characters in a long irclog
[01:07] <Shufla> johnnybezak: than sudo touch /var/log/all.log and sudo /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart
[01:07] <steven> yeah.. so use emacs for god's sake;)
[01:07] <zth> zth@ubuntu:~$ esddsp armyops
[01:07] <zth> ./armyops-bin: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libesddsp.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory <- i get that trying to run esddsp armyops :( anyone know the problem
[01:07] <Shufla> johnnybezak: than tail -f /var/log/all.log and sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[01:07] <newegg> first class: ed,vi,nano
[01:07] <johnnybezak> it tells me it can't bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0
[01:08] <johnnybezak> any ideas?
[01:08] <newegg> second class: vim,emacs
[01:08] <newegg> that's all
[01:08] <TD> Shufla: thanks
[01:08] <steven> newegg, yeah for a blind guy
[01:08] <Shufla> johnnybezak: sudo lsof -ni 4 | grep -i listen | grep ssh
[01:08] <steven> :)
[01:08] <johnnybezak> Shuffle: what does that do
[01:08] <Shufla> TD: n/p
[01:08] <newegg> I am
[01:08] <zth> anyone? why the *** is this happening?
[01:08] <johnnybezak> the tail part
[01:08] <newegg> poor and blind
[01:09] <zth> i have the library
[01:09] <zth> at that spot to
[01:09] <Shufla> zth: dpkg -S `which esddsp`
[01:09] <anatole> what is the deb name for emacs?
[01:09] <Shufla> johnnybezak: it'll attach to file and look for new messages.
[01:09] <steven> emacs21
[01:09] <Shufla> anatole: apt-cache search emacs
[01:09] <anatole> thanks
[01:09] <zth> libesd0: /usr/lib/libesddsp.so.0
[01:09] <zth> esound-clients: /usr/share/man/man1/esddsp.1.gz
[01:09] <zth> libesd0: /usr/lib/libesddsp.so.0.2.35
[01:09] <zth> esound-clients: /usr/bin/esddsp
[01:10] <johnnybezak> Shuffle: so do you have ne ideas with the bind error
[01:10] <steven> don't know if ubuntu have a emacs-nox
[01:10] <Shufla> johnnybezak: what that line with lsof gives you?
[01:10] <steven> but It probably does:)
[01:10] <johnnybezak> lsof?
[01:10] <Shufla> emacs21-nox
[01:10] <steven> :)
[01:10] <Shufla> in universe
[01:10] <zth> Shufla, what do i do? :(
[01:10] <newegg> emacs = might god
[01:10] <Shufla> johnnybezak: yes run it. it will tell you, what's is attached to port 22 (ssh)
[01:11] <Shufla> zth: apt-get install --reinstall esound-clients libesd0 and try
[01:12] <zth> ok, how can i traydock thunderbird?
[01:12] <johnnybezak> Shuffle: it gives me loads of stuff, can i grep for exclusively
[01:12] <johnnybezak> "22" rather than 22 in something
[01:12] <Shufla> johnnybezak: sudo lsof -ni 4 | grep -i listen | grep ssh
[01:12] <mdke> you know the "Notes" section in the file properties with nautilus? It adds a little "note" icon over the file where you put the note. Is there any way to see what the note is by moving the mouse over the icon? It doesn't do it on my system.
[01:14] <drx> If i got a few windows computers and one linux computer (not a server) and want to share files between them (through windows file sharing) do i need a samba server then or is the samba client enough ? (the linux computer should be able to share files too)
[01:14] <johnnybezak> Shuffle: it says nothing
[01:14] <turf> oT: can totem play avi files?
[01:15] <turf> what is the name of that codec?
[01:15] <steven> drx, you probably wonna have both
[01:16] <marsh_> hallo, hallo happy hackers...!
[01:16] <marsh_> hows u all this fine day?
[01:16] <johnnybezak> sudo lsof does nothing
[01:16] <Seveas> drx, you need both
[01:16] <newegg> amazing?
[01:16] <marsh_> I come here today to ask... does Ubuntu burn cd/dvd's?
[01:17] <hhurtta> marsh_: it does
[01:17] <johnnybezak> marsh_: sure
[01:17] <Seveas> marsh_, yes
[01:17] <marsh_> only - theres not one application that works for me...
[01:17] <Seveas> gnomebaker/graveman/k3b
[01:17] <Shufla> johnnybezak: ok. start ssh. what's exact message? paste it on my priv.
[01:17] <drx> ok, does every windows computer on the network need an account on the linux computer to be able to browse the network ? currently my windows computer can't browse the network i get "network unavalible"
[01:18] <Shufla> drx: do you have wins server on that linux-box?
[01:18] <Seveas> drx, no, you can specify account names and such in the samba server configuration
[01:18] <johnnybezak>  * Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server...                               [fail] 
[01:19] <drx> Shufla: don't know what it is so probably not :)
[01:19] <Shufla> johnnybezak: and what is in all.log?
[01:19] <johnnybezak> just a sec
[01:19] <Shufla> drx: huh. you're network admin there?
[01:19] <priest> someone who know if the latest mozilla frame injection vulnerablility will be patched soon?
[01:19] <newegg> johnnybezak:  hehe ;)
[01:19] <steven> shufla, have you ever considered that it could be a home network?;)
[01:19] <drx> Shufla: it's my home network, only 4 computers
[01:19] <steven> :)
[01:20] <Shufla> ah... :)
[01:20] <newegg> johnnybezak:  key...
[01:20] <Shufla> drx: and clients are... all same windows version or mixed? which?
[01:20] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 02:00:57 localhost sudo: johnnybezak : TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/home/johnnybezak ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/apt-get install sshd
[01:20] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 02:01:03 localhost sudo: johnnybezak : TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/home/johnnybezak ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/apt-get install open-ssh
[01:20] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 02:01:17 localhost sudo: johnnybezak : TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/home/johnnybezak ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/apt-get install openssh-server
[01:20] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 02:02:03 localhost useradd[28158] : new user: name=sshd, uid=107, gid=65534, home=/var/run/sshd, shell=/bin/false
[01:20] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 02:02:04 localhost sshd[28185] : Server listening on :: port 22.
[01:20] <drx> Shufla: mixed, 2 winXP and 1 win98
[01:20] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 02:14:05 localhost sudo: johnnybezak : TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/home/johnnybezak ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/etc/init.d/ssh start
[01:20] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 02:14:26 localhost sshd[28674] : Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam for johnnybezak from ::ffff:127.0.0.1 port 32865 ssh2
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[01:20] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 02:14:26 localhost sshd[28677] : (pam_unix) session opened for user johnnybezak by (uid=0)
[01:20] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 02:14:28 localhost sshd[28677] : (pam_unix) session closed for user johnnybezak
[01:20] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 02:47:14 localhost sudo: johnnybezak : TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/home/johnnybezak ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/sbin/sshd
[01:20] <TD> Shufla: do you have 32 bit compatibility installed?
[01:20] <marsh_> johnnybezak, hhurtta,  Seveas: Ive heard there are issues, and anything i use seems to have problems just making the iso :(
[01:20] <newegg> what's going on?
[01:20] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 02:47:14 localhost sshd[29211] : error: Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0 failed: Address already in use.
[01:20] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 02:47:14 localhost sshd[29211] : fatal: Cannot bind any address.
[01:21] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 02:51:04 localhost sshd[28185] : Received signal 15; terminating.
[01:21] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 03:05:01 localhost sshd[7984] : Server listening on :: port 22.
[01:21] <Shufla> Q: Do you help me? A: Just a sex. Q: ?? A: Oh f*ck! Q: Whaaaat?!
[01:21] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 03:06:28 localhost sudo: johnnybezak : TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/home/johnnybezak ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/etc/init.d/ssh start
[01:21] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 03:06:46 localhost sudo: johnnybezak : TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/home/johnnybezak ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/nano -w /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[01:21] <marsh_> (sorry for delay - phone call...
[01:21] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 04:58:34 localhost sudo: johnnybezak : TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/home/johnnybezak ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/etc/init.d/ssh start
[01:21] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 04:58:51 localhost sudo: johnnybezak : TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/home/johnnybezak ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/sbin/sshd
[01:21] <newegg> -----______-----
[01:21] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 04:59:04 localhost sudo: johnnybezak : TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/home/johnnybezak ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/sbin/sshd
[01:21] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 04:59:04 localhost sshd[9742] : error: Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0 failed: Address already in use.
[01:21] <hhurtta> grrrrrrrrr
[01:21] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 04:59:04 localhost sshd[9742] : fatal: Cannot bind any address.
[01:21] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 04:59:08 localhost sudo: johnnybezak : TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/home/johnnybezak ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/sbin/sshd -v
[01:21] <Shufla> TD: no. in ubuntu you have to setup 32bit chroot.
[01:21] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 04:59:16 localhost sudo: johnnybezak : TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/home/johnnybezak ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/sbin/sshd -V
[01:21] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 04:59:33 localhost sudo: johnnybezak : TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/home/johnnybezak ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/killall sshd
[01:21] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 04:59:33 localhost sshd[7984] : Received signal 15; terminating.
[01:21] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 05:00:10 localhost sudo: johnnybezak : TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/home/johnnybezak ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/sbin/sshd
[01:21] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 05:00:10 localhost sshd[9763] : Server listening on :: port 22.
[01:21] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 05:00:26 localhost sudo: johnnybezak : TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/home/johnnybezak ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/apt-get install ssh
[01:21] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 05:00:51 localhost sudo: johnnybezak : TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/home/johnnybezak ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/etc/init.d/ssh start
[01:21] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 05:03:03 localhost sudo: johnnybezak : TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/home/johnnybezak ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/sbin/sshd
[01:21] <Shufla> johnnybezak: great. and paste your .ssh/id_dsa there ;P
[01:21] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 05:03:03 localhost sshd[9846] : error: Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0 failed: Address already in use.
[01:21] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 05:03:03 localhost sshd[9846] : fatal: Cannot bind any address.
[01:21] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 05:20:09 localhost sudo: johnnybezak : TTY=pts/1 ; PWD=/home/johnnybezak ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/sbin/sshd
[01:22] <marsh_> johnnybezak, hhurtta,  Seveas: is this true? are there issues with ubuntu and media burning? if no - any suggestions?
[01:22] <ajmitch> sigh
[01:22] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 05:20:09 localhost sshd[10191] : error: Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0 failed: Address already in use.
[01:22] <TD> Shufla: yeah, but i thought there is a 32 bit compatibility package. ialibs32 or something
[01:22] <newegg> johnnybezak is panic ... ----------------______________________------------------
[01:22] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 05:20:09 localhost sshd[10191] : fatal: Cannot bind any address.
[01:22] <johnnybezak> Jun 10 05:20:20 localhost sudo: johnnybezak : TTY=pts/1 ; PWD=/home/johnnybezak ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/etc/init.d/ssh start
[01:22] <TD> just a random collection of libs
[01:22] <johnnybezak> sorry guys did that post to the channel
[01:22] <goye2cz> Looking for help with using a usb net adapter with an ubuntu live disc... any takers?
[01:22] <steven> johnnybezak, If you have to paste a log - please do it in a private session
[01:22] <johnnybezak> yeah guys im sorry, my irssi skills are really low
[01:22] <johnnybezak> hehe *unplugs router*
[01:22] <Shufla> TD: nope. I do not even use 32bit chroot. i do not need flash.
[01:23] <TD> ok
[01:23] <steven> johnnybezak, /msg someone <paste>
[01:23] <Shufla> TD: in SuSE 9.2 there was something like this. but i felt that it slowed down my system.
[01:23] <Shufla> johnnybezak: or use pastebin.com afair
[01:23] <johnnybezak> seven: yeah thats what i typed, apparently it screwed up
[01:23] <Shufla> TD: _felt_
[01:23] <steven> johnnybezak, hehe
[01:23] <ajmitch> it'll paste the 1st line to them
[01:23] <steven> johnnybezak, but irssi is a nice client;)
[01:24] <ajmitch> everything else to the channel..
[01:24] <Shufla> johnnybezak: and you've spoiled my irc support joke, huh ;(
[01:24] <TD> that's unlikely
[01:24] <TD> but ok
[01:24] <goye2cz> any help for installing a usb net adapter?
[01:24] <johnnybezak> steven: i like it cos its light weight
[01:24] <johnnybezak> so anyone know how to fix my ssh problem now ;)
[01:25] <Shufla> johnnybezak: sudo killall sshd ; sudo /etc/init.d/sshd start . as you see in your logs ssh was running well.
[01:25] <johnnybezak> it was?
[01:26] <Shufla> johnnybezak: yes. read (but _DO_NOT_ paste) the logs.
[01:26] <johnnybezak> woah it works now
[01:26] <johnnybezak> wierd
[01:26] <johnnybezak> clear
[01:26] <steven> rofl
[01:26] <johnnybezak> awesome thanks guys (i dont know hwat for, but thanks any wya hehe)
[01:26] <Choubaka> Shufla: sudo /etc/init.d/sshd restart perhaps? :P
[01:27] <Shufla> johnnybezak: i think that you've started it twice or more. and no type: sudo lsof -ni4 | grep -i listen | grep ssh
[01:27] <Shufla> Choubaka: ah. indeed :)
[01:27] <Shufla> johnnybezak: and paste the effect to me! (1st /query Shufla)
[01:27] <steven> shufla, he's not able to start more than one (it keeps track of pid's)?
[01:28] <goye2cz> any help out there for a guy who wants to install a usb net adapter? PLZ?
[01:29] <Shufla> Auch... So many paste and he lost terminal...
[01:29] <steven> who was that brilliant guy who suggested that I should disable ipv6?
[01:29] <steven> hawkeviper, was it you?
[01:29] <Shufla> steven: it helped?
[01:29] <steven> shufla, it worked;)
[01:29] <Shufla> steven: :D sweeet :)
[01:29] <steven> oh yeah:)
[01:29] <steven> that's really nice!
[01:30] <steven> weee
[01:30] <Shufla> steven: btw if you do not use ipv6 than that protocol could be disabled
[01:30] <steven> mmm
[01:30] <Shufla> i do it as default post-installation tweaks.
[01:30] <Shufla> huh. tech support intuition :D
[01:31] <vexen> how can I enable XDMCP on my hoary? I'm unsure what lines to uncomment and in what files :)
[01:31] <Shufla> vexen: use: System->Administration->Login screen 1st.
[01:31] <goye2cz> I guess maybe my question was too boring.
[01:31] <Shufla> goye2cz: do not ask to ask. just ask.
[01:31] <goye2cz> thanks.
[01:31] <steven> shufla, yeah, but I didn't expect ipv6 to course that kind of trouble...
[01:31] <Shufla> goye2cz: if nobody could help you, you'
[01:31] <Shufla> ll have no response.
[01:32] <goye2cz> gotcha
[01:32] <Shufla> steven: i didn't know it to. but that was i would do if such problem occurs.
[01:32] <steven> yeah
[01:32] <steven> this is the first time I'm working with wifi, so i'm not that much into it
[01:32] <Cerb[AWAY] > newbie question in 3... 2... 1: how can you look at the kernel source???? :)
[01:32] <Shufla> steven: to be sure where is the problem i'm minimazing analyzed system.
[01:33] <TD> Cerb[AWAY] : download it, or find a web-enabled copy
[01:33] <TD> Cerb[AWAY] : you can grab it from kernel.org
[01:33] <Seveas> Cerb[AWAY] , sudo apt-get source linux-image-....
[01:33] <goye2cz> I have a linksys usb200m net adapter. I am using an ubuntu live cd. is there any way I can install/ configure my net adapter?
[01:33] <steven> shufla, and that should always be the way around a problem
[01:33] <Seveas> TD, kernel.org does not have the ubuntized kernel :)
[01:33] <Seveas> goye2cz, on the livecd, that'll be quite hard
[01:34] <TD> i doubt it makes any difference for newbies :)
[01:34] <Seveas> goye2cz, plus, you'll have to do it every time you boot
[01:34] <Shufla> Cerb[AWAY] : apt-get install linux-source and look in /usr/src
[01:34] <Cerb[AWAY] > Shufla i installed the headers already
[01:34] <Shufla> steven: indeed.
[01:34] <Shufla> Cerb[AWAY] : headers are not kernel source.
[01:34] <Cerb[AWAY] > ow damn :)
[01:35] <Cerb[AWAY] > i'll apt-get it then
[01:35] <makoto> hey all, can someone give me a hand with a hardrive config?
[01:35] <goye2cz> Seveas: right. Hard eh? I just wasn't sure I wanted to commit to an install yet. Unfortunately I'm still pretty dependent on windows.
[01:35] <steven> makoto, you mean the fstab?
[01:35] <makoto> steven, yes
[01:36] <steven> makoto, done:)
[01:36] <Seveas> goye2cz, search the wiki/forums/google for your modem type, that should help
[01:37] <goye2cz> seveas: I'll do that. Thanks.
[01:37] <makoto> steven, I had an ntfs drive that I formated to fat32.  Now i need to edit fstab and Im not sure what to put in the drives line
[01:37] <Seveas> mako, if you are trying to mount a windows partition, paste the output of sudo fdisk -l on a pastebin and people in here will be able to give correct fstab lines
[01:38] <Seveas> mako, if you mounted the ntfs drive before and thus it is in your fstab, simply change ntfs to vfat in that fstab line
[01:38] <makoto> if it was an ext3 I would put /dev/hdb1 /drive2 ext3 defaults 0 1  but for fat 32 im not sure...
[01:38] <Shufla> o f*ck! in france there're going to build thermonuclear reactor! :D
[01:38] <Weiss> Shulfa: ITER?
[01:39] <Seveas> vfat rw,auto,umask=0000
[01:39] <Seveas> instead of ext3 defaults
[01:39] <Shufla> Weiss: yes. should I be nervous? early-adopters technology is buggyfull :D
[01:39] <steven> makoto, just look at /dev/hde1
[01:39] <steven> makoto, that's a fat32 partition
[01:40] <makoto> steven, oh right...hehe thanks
[01:40] <steven> makoto, np:)
[01:40] <Shufla> 100mln Celcuis. nice :) that reaction is self slowing or self upping? :)
[01:41] <Weiss> Shufla: it's not going to explode or melt or anything - if the containment magnets stop working, the plasma just collapses.  its heat capacity is far to low to do any damage
[01:42] <makoto> steven, are the default options you put in there important.  (Im a major noob.)
[01:42] <Shufla> Weiss: Great! :) So, they aren't able to set up new sun in west-south europe. they wrote that netureons are able to radioactivate some of reactor elements.
[01:43] <inf0war> hello
[01:43] <shawarma> Can someone please try running 'apt-get build-dep evolution-exchange' and let me know the result?
[01:43] <makoto> steven, "char set iso" and all that....
[01:43] <inf0war> my ubuntiu is not apt getting software like in the faq
[01:43] <Weiss> Shufla: yes, some bits of the reactor get blasted with neutrons, but there's no radioactive waste like with fission, other than when the reactor is eventually disposed of
[01:44] <makoto> steven, or can I just put default under option
[01:44] <steven> makoto, nope - you need those :)
[01:44] <makoto> steven, ok thanks
[01:44] <Seveas> shawarma, http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/62 (apt-get -s build-dep evolution-exchange)
[01:44] <Shufla> Weiss: that's nice. you are physic?
[01:45] <Weiss> Shufla: physicist, yep
[01:45] <zth> how can i add various apps in the tray in gnome?
[01:45] <Weiss> well... materials scientist strictly
[01:45] <Shufla> Weiss: ah! indeed. sorry ;)
[01:45] <Nic> zth, i wish it could be done easily
[01:45] <shawarma> Seveas: Hey. nice tool! :-) And thanks!
[01:45] <HawkeVIPER> zth: right click on it, then add launcher
[01:45] <Seveas> zth, you can use smeg (see www.realistanew.com or poke Amaranth)
[01:46] <Nic> hmm yeah do you mean apps running in the tray, or app launchers?
[01:46] <zth> i mean apps in the tray
[01:46] <zth> like btdownloadgui and thunderbird
[01:46] <Nic> same way as you would in windws
[01:46] <zth> so i wont have to have em in my main bar
[01:46] <Nic> pray that the app has that option
[01:46] <zth> i have no clue how to do it in windows :p
[01:46] <zth> hehe
[01:47] <Seveas> zth, what HawkeVIPER said is for launchers in the panel, what i said is for the menu. The system tray is the bit next to the clock and you cannot add something there yourself
[01:47] <jind> Does anybody know if a centrino 1400 is pentium M or pentium 4M?
[01:47] <Nic> ther are a couple of programs toat do it, but i dont think they do it very well
[01:47] <Seveas> jind, same thing afaik
[01:47] <Nic> i advise you to live with it
[01:47] <Nic> lol
[01:48] <zth> Seveas, oh.. i tried the alltray program but i just get Alltray: no system tray/notification area found
[01:48] <jind> Seveas, no. It's a difference while compiling kernel
[01:48] <Shufla> ok
[01:48] <Shufla> bye bye :D
[01:48] <jind> So there got to be a hardware difference
[01:49] <Nic> i think the system tray sucks
[01:49] <Nic> its outdated and crap
[01:49] <steven> openbox rocks:)~
[01:50] <Seveas> jind, ah, well, centrino is the complete system and you can plug in any suitable processor, so 'centrino 1400' does not say much
[01:50] <goye2cz> seveas: wow. I think this stuff is over my head. I've never seen a text version of a driver before... if that is what I was looking at.
[01:50] <Seveas> cat /proc/cpuinfo can tell you more about the cpu
[01:50] <Amaranth> Nic: Got a replacement?
[01:50] <Nic> you dont need it at all amaranth
[01:50] <Seveas> goye2cz, what do you mean?
[01:50] <Nic> all i used it for is hiding applications
[01:51] <Nic> and i want a "keep application running in launcher"
[01:51] <Amaranth> what are you going to replace it with? MSN Messenger like notification dialogs?
[01:51] <Amaranth> Nic: It has other uses.
[01:51] <steven> amaranth, gaim
[01:51] <Nic> you could have the launcher change icons when you get notifications
[01:51] <Nic> the only other uses are system notification
[01:51] <Nic> s
[01:51] <Nic> change the system menu to an icon
[01:51] <Amaranth> Nic: The launcher is hidden.
[01:51] <Nic> and it could give you notifications too
[01:51] <Nic> what launcher is hidden?
[01:51] <Amaranth> Nic: You're doing odd things in odd places to make up for the fact that you just removed a needed part of the system.
[01:52] <steven> amaranth, oh sorry, I took that one out of context
[01:52] <Nic> not really
[01:52] <goye2cz> seveas:I know this is going to sound dumb but, I'm not sure. I searched a while, looked in different places that led me back to the linksys page. I ended up at this address.
[01:52] <Seveas> Nic, a launcher and a system tray are two fundamentally different things
[01:52] <Nic> i'm going to write an article on it when i finish exams
[01:52] <Amaranth> Nic: The launcher for the thing that is trying to notify you.
[01:52] <Nic> i know
[01:52] <goye2cz> seveas: then I was looking at something about tulip.c. That's where I got lost.
[01:52] <Nic> but it dosent work
[01:52] <Seveas> Nic, it's nuth stupid and useless to try and integrate it...
[01:52] <Seveas> goye2cz, hehe :)
[01:52] <Amaranth> Nic: It won't make a difference, we finally got a standard notification tray and people aren't going to give it up.
[01:52] <Nic> because everyone clogs it up with applications
[01:52] <Seveas> goye2cz, what is the brand/model of your usb ethernet thing?
[01:52] <Amaranth> Nic: Anything you proposed to replace it would have to work in KDE, XFCE, openbox, etc.
[01:53] <Nic> i know
[01:53] <goye2cz> linksys usb200m
[01:53] <Nic> i'll have to switch to osx ;)
[01:53] <Amaranth> Nic: What are you going to have flash or change in a WM that doesn't have any panels or desktop icons or anything similar?
[01:53] <steven> nic, are you running a ppc architecture?
[01:53] <Nic> no
[01:54] <zth> Amaranth, you used alltray before?
[01:54] <Amaranth> zth: nope
[01:54] <Amaranth> zth: is it anything like kdocker?
[01:54] <goye2cz> seveas: sorry, linksys usb200m
[01:54] <Nic> if you dont have any panels where are u going to have a system tray?
[01:54] <zth> Amaranth, no clue, i dun know how traydocker is
[01:54] <Amaranth> Nic: :) You caught that one.
[01:54] <zth> *kdocker
[01:54] <Nic> lol
[01:54] <Amaranth> Nic: A little psuedo panel in the corner of the screen just for the tray.
[01:55] <Amaranth> Nic: So ha! :)
[01:55] <Nic> lol whats the point then
[01:55] <Amaranth> Nic: It's a useful notification tray.
[01:55] <Nic> fluxbox etc arent going to have a panel like that
[01:55] <Nic> well personally ive found it useless
[01:55] <Amaranth> Nic: But you can't hope to replace it with anything else.
[01:55] <Nic> i can dream
[01:55] <Nic> i have a good replacement IMO
[01:56] <Nic> the only problem is the standards
[01:56] <Amaranth> Nic: If it works in my use case you can consider it possible to get used.
[01:56] <Nic> what do you use it for?
[01:56] <Amaranth> Nic: But anything that works in my use case is just a notification tray.
[01:56] <Amaranth> Nic: The WM with no panels or anything but a little psuedo panel in the corner for the tray
[01:57] <Nic> ?
[01:57] <Nic> why?
[01:57] <Seveas> goye2cz,
[01:57] <Seveas> still there?
[01:57] <makoto> steven, Do you think you could look at this : http://rafb.net/paste/results/mygN5h76.html .  It is a modified "how to" that I used to format my ntfs salve drive.  It was originaly to format to ext3 and I changed it to Fat32.  I put in a few comments and the outputs I got.  Specifically I get an error at step 13 where I cannot write to the drive.... Thank you!
[01:57] <goye2cz> seveas: yes?
[01:57] <Amaranth> what do you mean why?
[01:57] <makoto> salve = slave
[01:57] <Amaranth> it's a notification tray, which is needed
[01:57] <Nic> whats the point, why do you need it?
[01:58] <Seveas> goye2cz, try this: sudo modprobe rtl8150
[01:58] <Amaranth> Nic: Because apps use it.
[01:58] <Seveas> your card should work after that
[01:58] <Amaranth> Nic: Can't change that now.
[01:58] <Nic> for example...
[01:58] <Nic> lol
[01:58] <Amaranth> Nic: It's useful when I have a new email.
[01:58] <Nic> anything else?
[01:58] <Amaranth> Nic: A little thing in the tray changes icons.
[01:59] <Seveas> mako, that howto sucks
[01:59] <Seveas> makoto*
[01:59] <Amaranth> Nic: Yes, it's where rhythmbox, gaim, and kgpg hide.
[01:59] <goye2cz_> seveas: Thanks, I'll give it a try.
[01:59] <Ubuntian> ubuntu supports ati graphic cards?
[01:59] <Amaranth> Nic: And it's where update-notifier shows up to tell you you have system upgrades.
[01:59] <Seveas> makoto, You do not need to reboot at all for instance
[01:59] <Seveas> Ubuntian, yes
[01:59] <Ubuntian> thanks
[02:00] <Nic> rhythmbox gaim and kgpg arent supposed to hide there
[02:00] <makoto> Seveas, ok can you tell me what the error might be due to?
[02:00] <Nic> its supposed to be for notifications only
[02:00] <Seveas> makoto, can you paste the output of the single command: mount
[02:00] <bokko>  I am running ubuntu and cannot obtain a ip4 address from my router.  IP6 is disabled and I modded dhclient.conf as some forum posts suggested.  Any ideas?
[02:00] <Seveas> on a pastebin
[02:00] <makoto> Seveas, sure
[02:01] <Seveas> bokko, why modify dhclient.conf..?
[02:01] <makoto> Seveas, one sec
[02:01] <bokko> Seveas: ubuntu forum posts suggested it as a possible problem for the dhcp client
[02:01] <Seveas> bokko, do you get a DHCPNAK from the router or nothing at all?
[02:01] <Dalkus> I should use 'ln -s' if I want to have a link to a file in my /usr/bin ?
[02:01] <makoto> Seveas, http://rafb.net/paste/results/tjfdOT11.html
[02:01] <Seveas> hmm, what exactly did you change?
[02:02] <bokko> Seveas: What is a dhcpnak?
[02:02] <Seveas> makoto, when you mount it like this you cannot write it as a normal user
[02:02] <bokko> Seveas: just added a comma and the line interface-mtu
[02:02] <Papillion> Charly? bin daaa
[02:02] <Seveas> bokko, remove that again, it's no good
[02:02] <makoto> Seveas, oh... how can I chage it?
[02:02] <Amaranth> Nic: They mainly show up there because we don't have cross desktop panel applets.
[02:02] <makoto> Seveas, change even
[02:02] <goye2cz_> seveas: I'm really new to some of this... where do I find that? I'm guessing it's a driver?
[02:02] <bokko> Seveas: now that ip6 is disabled, when I loadup network tools for eth0 there is nothing, ip6 use to show there for eth0
[02:03] <Amaranth> Nic: Because cross desktop panel applets will never happen.
[02:03] <Seveas> makoto, can you put your ftab on ubuntu.pastebin.com pleas (not on rafb.net, it has no edit function)
[02:03] <bokko> Seveas: ok, do that now
[02:03] <johnnybezak> hey guys, I just did an install of hoary, and now I'm getting an error ( a kernel panic) on boot where it says it can't sync to /dev/console anyone have any ideas what it might be
[02:03] <makoto> Seveas, sure one moment
[02:03] <Seveas> goye2cz_, that driver should already be there
[02:03] <Seveas> in a terminal you just type in that modprobe command
[02:03] <makoto> Seveas, you mean the fstab contnent?
[02:03] <Seveas> makoto, yes please
[02:04] <Nic> amaranth: yeah i know it sucks, what i propose is that there should be some sort of "keep program running in launcher" so when you close your email client it dosent close it just resides in its launcher
[02:04] <Nic> the icon could change when you got new mail
[02:04] <Seveas> bokko, are you trying to configure it from a GUI tool or the command line?
[02:04] <Nic> and it would resolve the problem that some apps dont have a minimse to tray option
[02:04] <goye2cz_> seveas: haha, of course. It had to be simple. But that would be difficult on the live cd you said?
[02:04] <bokko> Seveas: both
[02:04] <bokko> Seveas: been modding files in root term mostly though
[02:04] <Amaranth> Nic: But the launcher is in a menu.
[02:04] <Seveas> goye2cz_, well, if you're lucky it's just this command and then i was wrong (which means it IS simple :))
[02:05] <Nic> i mean the app launchers you can create in the panels
[02:05] <Nic> how are they menus?
[02:05] <Amaranth> Nic: You're proposing minimize to nothing instead of minimize to try.
[02:05] <Seveas> bokko, so if you say dhclient3 eth0 it just times out?
[02:05] <Papillion> Charly?
[02:05] <Amaranth> Nic: I don't have Rhythmbox on my panel, it's in my menus.
[02:05] <makoto> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/297647
[02:05] <makoto> Seveas, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/297647
[02:05] <Nic> and it resides in your tray right...
[02:05] <Amaranth> Nic: right
[02:06] <Nic> so instead of doing that you would add a launcher to your panel
[02:06] <Amaranth> Nic: I have no launcher, your idea falls through.
[02:06] <Nic> and it would now reside in the launcher
[02:06] <Amaranth> Nic: I don't want a launcher.
[02:06] <goye2cz_> seveas: many thanks.
[02:06] <Amaranth> Nic: I have enough launchers.
[02:06] <Nic> but it would be exactly the same as having it in the panel
[02:06] <bokko> Seveas: pretty much, it will not hold grab a ip4 address nor did it hold one when I set static the routers dhcp assigned address
[02:06] <Amaranth> Nic: I'm a user, you're confusing me. (not really)
[02:06] <Seveas> makoto, change umask=0 to umask=0000
[02:07] <Amaranth> Nic: I just want it to run when I click on it in the menu, what's a launcher?
[02:07] <Amaranth> Nic: Why do I have to do extra work to make it go on that top bar?
[02:07] <makoto> Seveas, ok illtry that now
[02:07] <Seveas> bokko, what does sudo mii-diag eth0 say?
[02:07] <Seveas> makoto, and after the change, do NOT reboot
[02:07] <Nic> so instead of having it reside in the panel, it now it resides in a launcher, exactly the same amount of space
[02:07] <Seveas> simply unmount the drive and type mount -a after that
[02:08] <bokko> Seveas: says everything is working Ok
[02:08] <makoto> Seveas, ok
[02:08] <Nic> it removes the icon from the system tray, which is designed for notifications, NOT to hold apps
[02:08] <Amaranth> Nic: It's not a question of space, it's a question of effort.
[02:08] <Nic> id rather go through the effort of adding an x chat launcher than compiling the patch that allows it to reside in the tray
[02:09] <Seveas> bokko, can you get logs from your router to indicate what's happening?
[02:09] <Amaranth> Nic: A user never compiles.
[02:09] <Nic> so for xchat you cant do it then
[02:09] <Seveas> Amaranth, in an ideal world ;)
[02:09] <Amaranth> Nic: Also, those tray icons do something.
[02:09] <Nic> yeah they do
[02:09] <makoto> Seveas, Im sorry im still very new at Linux (installed it 2 days ago first time) im typing sudo nano etc/fstab and getting an empty page... (the shame)
[02:10] <bokko> Seveas:  I do not thing the nic is even communicating with the router.  I tried static address and then pinging the gateway with not connection.  I had rhfc3 running on this machine online so the nic/cables/router are working properly.
[02:10] <Seveas> makoto, /etc/fstab
[02:10] <hondje> makoto: there's a / in front of etc
[02:10] <bokko> err think
[02:10] <Seveas> you forgot the leading /
[02:10] <Amaranth> Nic: If the tray icon shows a menu on left click how do you make that work with a launcher?
[02:10] <makoto> Seveas, right
[02:10] <Seveas> bokko, what kind of nic/motherboard is it
[02:11] <bokko> Seveas: apollo with some generic nic I bought from the local store, cnet brand I think
[02:11] <Seveas> ok
[02:11] <Seveas> so eth0 is recognized?
[02:11] <bokko> Seveas: it works fine with w2k3/xp/rhfc3/freebsd
[02:11] <Seveas> hmm
[02:11] <Amaranth> Nic: Also, where does a launcher fit in fluxbox?
[02:11] <Amaranth> Nic: Or hell, even KDE.
[02:11] <makoto> Seveas, ok done. I did not reboot : )
[02:12] <Seveas> makoto, and does it work?
[02:12] <makoto> Seveas, no access denied
[02:13] <bokko> Seveas: There is some sort of misconfiguration issue but I do not know what.  I tried the furms and tried all the fixed posted for hoary but none seem to do anything progressive
[02:13] <Nic> i'm talking about gnome
[02:13] <makoto> Seveas, could it be because of the error message i got about there being two fstab file when i rebooted
[02:13] <Amaranth> Nic: You can't talk about GNOME.
[02:13] <Seveas> makoto, huh?
[02:13] <Seveas> which error message?
[02:13] <Nic> amaranth: http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero read the part titled "desktop structure"
[02:13] <Amaranth> Nic: Otherwise apps will continue to use the notification tray because it works on non-GNOME things.
[02:13] <Amaranth> Nic: None of that is really happening.
[02:13] <makoto> Seveas, the one thatI inserted in the "how to"
[02:14] <Amaranth> Nic: That's all pie-in-the-sky bullshit.
[02:14] <bokko> Seveas: the link is ok with the router as well according to mii-tool
[02:14] <Nic> no shit
[02:14] <makoto> http://rafb.net/paste/results/mygN5h76.html line 27
[02:14] <makoto> Seveas, http://rafb.net/paste/results/mygN5h76.html lne 27
[02:14] <Nic> but it does talk about what i'm talking about
[02:14] <Nic> anyway i have an exam in the morning
[02:15] <Nic> so i'm gonna go study and then sleep
[02:15] <Amaranth> Nic: Anyway, if you come up with someone GNOME-only not a single app is going to use it (except eog, gedit, and maybe a couple of other small things).
[02:15] <Seveas> makoto, ah, that's not a problem, you can simply sudo rm /etc/.fstab.swp
[02:15] <makoto> Seveas, sorry i gave you the wrong line one sec ill find the right error message
[02:15] <Seveas> makoto, can you try: umount /dev/hdb1 && mount /dev/hdb1 && mount && ls /drive2
[02:16] <Seveas> and paste the output of that
[02:16] <makoto> Seveas, no that was it
[02:16] <Vjaz> Hi, anyone know if it's possible to make the Log Out screen default to shut down? I have system with just one user and it really makes no sense to log out on that system.
[02:16] <Seveas> oh, make that ls -al
[02:16] <makoto> Seveas, all one command?
[02:16] <Nic> amaranth: this idea isnt implemented through the programs, its implemented through gnome, so thats irrelevant
[02:16] <Seveas> makoto, well, you can make it 4 commands too :)
[02:17] <bokko> Any ideas what else it could be? yesterday I had rhfc3 and ubuntu on this box and rhfc3 was online but ubuntu would not connect
[02:17] <makoto> done
[02:17] <makoto> Seveas, ok done. (the && command adds up commands?)
[02:18] <Seveas> bokko, can you paste the output of: dhclient3 eth0 (or whatever your card is called)
[02:18] <Seveas> makoto, yes
[02:18] <Seveas> makoto, can you paste the output please
[02:18] <makoto> Seveas, umount: /dev/hdb1: not mounted
[02:18] <Seveas> ah
[02:18] <Seveas> hmm
[02:19] <bokko> Seveas: I can retype parts of it.  Ubuntu is on a different box from this one
[02:19] <Seveas> then your drive is not mounted, completely normal that you get an error :)
[02:19] <makoto> Seveas, had to do sudo -s first to get root access
[02:19] <Seveas> makoto, try mount -a
[02:19] <makoto> Seveas, done. no output
[02:20] <bokko> Seveas: No DHCPOFFERS recieved.
[02:20] <Seveas> bokko, well, don't type it over completely. I just want to know whether dhclient used the correct interface and that it send some DHCPREQUEST packets (it will tell you when it does) or simply exits immediately
[02:20] <Seveas> makoto, nice
[02:20] <bokko> Seveas: I've disabled IP6 in the aliases
[02:20] <Seveas> try creating a file again
[02:20] <Seveas> bokko, that should not be a problem :)
[02:21] <pixel> Hi
[02:21] <makoto> Seveas, ok i tried making a folder on the drive.  It seemed to work (I dont get error) but i can't see the file
[02:21] <bokko> Seveas:oh ok, It sends and listens on the correct nic mac but does not recieve any offers from dhcp, no leases in persistent database...sleeping
[02:22] <makoto> Seveas, when i try to remake the same folder (same name) i get folder already exist
[02:22] <Seveas> makoto, can you paste the output of ls -al /mount/point (replace that with the actual mount point)
[02:22] <Seveas> bokko, that's really weird...
[02:22] <Seveas> do you have more than one nic?
[02:22] <bokko> Seveas: I disabled IP6 since that was all the network tools saw for eth0
[02:22] <bokko> Seveas: not in this box
[02:22] <pixel> Would it be safe to uninstall gnome if I wanted to use another WM(xfce), or is ubuntu dependant on some of gnomes files?
[02:23] <bokko> Seveas: Like I said, the box worked fine online with rh, but ubuntu does not cooperate:(
[02:23] <Seveas> bokko, have you tried ifconfig eth0 up BEFORE runnin dhclient?
[02:23] <Seveas> bokko, that sould never happen, so we have to solve it :)
[02:23] <bokko> Seveas: yes and it does not have a IP4 address
[02:24] <bokko> Seveas: hehe right on:)
[02:24] <Seveas> pixel, if you install the xfce4 metapackage you can remove gnome things
[02:24] <makoto> Seveas, sorry. Im being a noob again...would that be ls -al /mount/drive2 or ls -al /mount/hdb1 ?
[02:24] <Seveas> makoto, depends on where you mounted it :)
[02:24] <ceu> can I safely deactivate lvm, evms and libdevmapper1.00? Or they are required by other programs?
[02:24] <Seveas> makoto, the line in /etc/fstab says: /dev/hdb1 SOMETHING vfat etc....
[02:24] <Seveas> you need ls -al SOMETHING
[02:25] <makoto> Seveas, ok got it
[02:25] <Seveas> ceu, afaik you can safely disable them
[02:25] <pixel> Are the metapackages installed with xfce by default, or am I gonna need to do those manually?
[02:25] <Seveas> pixel, if you do sudo aptitude install xfce4 it will be installed correctly
[02:26] <pixel> Thanks
[02:26] <ceu> SeamusLP: thank you
[02:26] <ceu> ops, Seveas :-)
[02:26] <hondje> this apple/intel thing sure woke up the crybabies
[02:26] <pixel> heh... glad I left gentoo.... great package system without all the hardware problems
[02:26] <bokko> Seveas: even with a static address it cannot reach the gateway
[02:28] <makoto> Seveas, bah. the line is : /dev/hdb1       /drive2 	vfat	iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,rw,umask=0000		0       1 so i entered  "ls -al /mount/drive2"   ....
[02:28] <Seveas> bokko, even with the static address the rhfc3 install uses?
[02:28] <Seveas> nonono, ls -al /drive2
[02:28] <Seveas> :)
[02:28] <makoto> Seveas, i get a no such file error] 
[02:28] <makoto> Seveas, ah.... O.0  ok
[02:29] <bokko> Seveas:  I removed rhfc3 since I liked the way ubuntu looked and worked.  But yesterday the static ip assignment could not reach the gateway either
[02:29] <makoto> Seveas, ok got 3 line of output
[02:29] <Seveas> makoto, including the folder you created?
[02:29] <makoto> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/297650
[02:29] <makoto> Seveas, yes
[02:29] <maya`> how i can run yahoo masger on ubuntu?
[02:30] <bokko> gaim
[02:30] <Seveas> makoto, ok, it will work from now on :)
[02:30] <maya`> gaim cant join the room chat
[02:30] <Seveas> with full access for all users
[02:30] <bokko> don't they make a linux distro for yim?
[02:30] <Seveas> bokko, yeah, but it's evil proprietary software...
[02:30] <maya`> so cant chat room channels?
[02:31] <makoto> Seveas, but..the file is nowhere to be found when I click on the drive icon....
[02:31] <bokko> Seveas: hehe
[02:31] <Seveas> makoto, drive icon..?
[02:31] <makoto> Seveas, i have a drive icon on my deskotp (i use KDE)
[02:31] <anatole> how do i change icons in nautilus by extensions?
[02:31] <Seveas> makoto, ah
[02:32] <Hatred> hey all
[02:32] <makoto> Seveas, when I click on it no files appear
[02:32] <bokko> maya: http://messenger.yahoo.com/messenger/download/unix.html
[02:32] <Seveas> dunno about KDE, does that icon launch a file manager that starts in /drive2 ..?
[02:32] <Hatred> Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.7167, but
[02:32] <Hatred> this library is version 1.0.7174. Please be sure that your kernel
[02:32] <Hatred> module and all NVIDIA driver files have the same driver version.
[02:32] <makoto> Seveas, yes
[02:32] <maya`> ok ty
[02:32] <marsh> well.. the next install is gonna have to be kubuntu
[02:32] <Hatred> i keep getting this error when trying to run 3deskd
[02:32] <Seveas> makoto, hit the refresh button :)
[02:32] <bokko> maya: no bells and whistles like the windows variety mind you
[02:32] <bokko> np
[02:32] <bob2> Hatred: don't install the nvidia drivers from tarballs then
[02:33] <maya`> i will missing my chat room :(
[02:33] <maya`> anyone have crossover office?
[02:33] <marsh> ubuntu's pants fr burning... I cant find much to help me, and k3b works well.. but not in ubuntu...
[02:33] <maya`> i dont want the triel one :(
[02:33] <bokko> Seveas: I've tried every network trick I can think of, I might just have to give up on ubuntu.  Others seem to be having problems with hoary as well from what I gathered in the forum posts
[02:33] <marsh> :(
[02:33] <Hatred> bob2-  ??
[02:34] <makoto> Seveas, ok figured it out. The icon was pointing one level to high.  The file is there now.
[02:34] <makoto> Seveas, thank you very very much!
[02:34] <marsh> made me a right grumpy git, it has... >:(
[02:34] <bob2> maya`: er, if you want crossover, you will have to pay for it
[02:34] <Seveas> makoto, yw!
[02:34] <lonewolff> marsh: k3b works fine in ubunut, and have you tried xcdroast?
[02:34] <makoto> Seveas, really appreciate it
[02:34] <bob2> Hatred: someone apparently installed the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com on your machine
[02:34] <Hatred> oic
[02:34] <maya`> anyone have but not use it ? :)
[02:34] <bob2> maya`: please go away
[02:34] <pixel> I wodner what kind ofname their gonna come up after Breezy Badger
[02:34] <pixel> >_>
[02:34] <marsh> lonewolff, ive tried it and it wont get the dependencies properly...
[02:35] <Hatred> well, now that i have this error msg bob2 what can i do to make it go away? :p
[02:35] <makoto> Seveas, the right path seems to be media/windows/drive2  is that ok?
[02:35] <marsh> on gnomebaker at the mo, but it wont autodetect best burnspeeds etc...
[02:35] <bob2> Hatred: reinstall the packaged drivers, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:35] <lonewolff> marsh: works fine here, try adding more sources to apt
[02:35] <Hatred> O.o
[02:35] <maya`> ok ty bob2
[02:35] <marsh> and it's cumbersome... but it does seem to (at last) be burning my project...
[02:36] <novaflare> breezy is do out soon(ish) isnt it?
[02:36] <Seveas> makoto, uhhh, not according to your fstab
[02:36] <bob2> novaflare: october
[02:36] <Seveas> but if it works, it works :)
[02:36] <novaflare> ahh
[02:36] <makoto> Seveas, well thats where the file I made ended up...
[02:36] <novaflare> why the hell was i thinking june heh
[02:36] <makoto> Seveas, and i can read and write there
[02:36] <marsh> lonewolff,  - got unnoficial sources (from site...) have to go out just now though, so not starting anything now, but I'll bear it in mind & try again when i'm feeling a bit more....
[02:36] <Seveas> pixel, ask sabdfl, he makes up the names :)
[02:37] <marsh> ...constructive...(?)
[02:37] <marsh> thanks lonewolff
[02:37] <bokko> Anyone know if they posted any updates to the network portion of hoary?
[02:37] <pemula> helloo
[02:37] <marsh> lonewolff, yeah  thanks... fr taking the bitterness o9ut of me.... feel better already!
[02:37] <pemula> everybody
[02:38] <makoto> Seveas, actually its all wrong, the path is media:/hda1/drive2/music
[02:38] <pemula> i just newbie linux
[02:38] <pemula> so please help me
[02:38] <makoto> why did drive2 end up there?
[02:38] <pemula> guide me
[02:38] <marsh> pemula - welcome... and enjoy...
[02:38] <pemula> thank u marsh
[02:38] <pemula> i come from indonesia
[02:38] <marsh> and remember... frustration is temporary.
[02:38] <Seveas> makoto, ahhhh
[02:39] <marsh> Hehehe... ;)
[02:39] <Seveas> media: is some sort of kde virtual file system
[02:39] <Seveas> you should ask a KDE user about that
[02:39] <pemula> yeah
[02:39] <bob2> bokko: "network portion"?
[02:39] <makoto> Seveas, ok im off to #kubuntu i guess thanks
[02:39] <bokko> bob2: people were posting on forums about networking issues with the hoary upgrade
[02:40] <bob2> bokko: can you ask them to file bugs then?
[02:40] <bokko> bob2: haha, I guess not
[02:40] <bob2> nothing can be fixed if people just complain on the forums
[02:41] <bokko> bob2: well they posted some suggestions, but alot of garbage to sift though:/
[02:41] <ccc> hm, what would be the command for renaming a large amount of files with a ".blabla" suffix?
[02:42] <Seveas> ccc, depends on how you want to rename them
[02:42] <bob2> ccc: "rename"
[02:42] <pfp> ccc: rename
[02:42] <bokko> write a perl script:D
[02:42] <ccc> i mean, adding the suffix to files with no suffix
[02:42] <goye2cz> seveas: It worked dude.
[02:42] <ccc> rename, aha.
[02:42] <pfp> ccc: rename 's/$/.suf/
[02:42] <bob2> e.g. rename -v 's/$/.blahblah/' *
[02:42] <Seveas> goye2cz, nice :)
[02:42] <bob2> bokko: hah, right
[02:43] <ccc> thanks folx
[02:44] <Hatred> hey all
[02:44] <goye2cz> seveas: I'm going to have trouble accesing files like mp3's and documents on my hard drive if they are under NTFS aren't I?
[02:44] <Hatred> i keep getting this error when trying to run 3deskd
[02:44] <Hatred> Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.7167, but
[02:44] <bob2> Hatred: er, I told you hwo to fix that
[02:44] <Hatred> this library is version 1.0.7174. Please be sure that your kernel
[02:44] <bob2> Hatred: ignoring answers seems kinda silly
[02:44] <bob2> if you don't understand a suggestion, then say so
[02:44] <Seveas> goye2cz, you can read them just fine
[02:44] <Hatred> bob2- i've tried what you said
[02:44] <Seveas> writing is impossible
[02:44] <bob2> Hatred: so
[02:44] <Hatred> it lead me to places i've already been now
[02:44] <goye2cz> hmm...
[02:44] <bob2> Hatred: you didn't reinstall them
[02:44] <goye2cz> I'll have to try harder I guess.
[02:44] <Hatred> bob2- how?
[02:45] <Ironfrost> hi - a problem after installing Kubuntu-desktop
[02:45] <Seveas> goye2cz, mount -t ntfs /dev/yourntfsdrive /mnt/somewhere -o umask=0000
[02:45] <bob2> Hatred: dpkg -l | grep "^ii.*nvidia" | awk '{print $2}'
[02:45] <bokko> Oh well, I shall go fiddle further with ubuntu before I wipe it.  Thanks for the help Seveas.  Nicest community linux channel I've ever been in.  none of that rtfm rtfm crap, cheer:)
[02:45] <bob2> Hatred: that will give you a list of packages
[02:45] <bob2> Hatred: for each of them, run "sudo apt-get --reinstall install blah"
[02:45] <Seveas> bob2, dpkg -l *nvidia* will work just as well :)
[02:45] <Hatred> ok coo, thanks bob2
[02:45] <Ironfrost> before installing Kubuntu, my Logout menu under Gnome had various options to shut down, restart etc
[02:46] <bob2> Hatred: then run "sudo apt-get --reinstall linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)"
[02:46] <Ironfrost> but Kubuntu seems to have somehow changed the Gnome logout menu so that it only has OK and Cancel
[02:46] <bob2> Seveas: are you sure that only lists installed and configured packages?
[02:46] <Ironfrost> so to shut down I have to wait for the login screen and then tell it again to shutdown
[02:46] <Ironfrost> is there any way of fixing the logout menu?
[02:47] <Seveas> bob2, no, but combining it with grep ii will
[02:47] <goye2cz> seveas: That's over my head, but it's ok. I'm impressed with how this is going and really appreciate your help.
[02:47] <bob2> Seveas: sure, but that's just as many key strokes now :-p
[02:47] <Seveas> neh, you don't need awk ;)
[02:48] <Ubuntian> i want to buy a laptop and install ubuntu on it, which processor is best: the pentium 4 M or pentium 4 prescott??
[02:48] <Seveas> goye2cz, simply type that command (of course replace the diskname with your actual diskname)
[02:48] <pfp> Ironfrost: my *guess* is that it's because you've switched to kdm, but someone else prolly knows better
[02:48] <goye2cz> I figured that much, but I don't know the disk name yet.
[02:49] <Seveas> Ironfrost, if you use kdm, you cannot shotdown from gnome, if you use gdm, you cannot shutdown from kde...
[02:49] <Ironfrost> yes, I switched to the KDE login screen, but should that really make a difference?
[02:49] <Ironfrost> Seveas - OK, thanks
[02:49] <i3dmaster> Ubuntian: current kernel supports both
[02:49] <Seveas> goye2cz, sudo fdisk -l | grep NTFS
[02:49] <Ironfrost> is this something that should be reported as a bug, or is it just the way things are?
[02:49] <Seveas> Ironfrost, it's the way it is
[02:49] <Ubuntian> i3dmaster, k thanks
[02:50] <Ironfrost> bah
[02:50] <i3dmaster> Ubuntian: PM supports cpu scaling, save energy, so better for laptop
[02:50] <Ironfrost> so I guess there's no way to force a shutdown from the terminal?
[02:50] <makoto> no one on Kubuntu at all.  Is anyone here familiar with KDE who could help me with my hardrive config?
[02:50] <pfp> Ironfrost: sudo halt
[02:50] <Seveas> Ironfrost, sudo shutdown -h now
[02:51] <Seveas> pfp, better use shutdown...
[02:51] <Ironfrost> thanks both of you
[02:51] <HawkeVIPER> pfp, halt/reboot is insecure
[02:51] <Ironfrost> I'll make a shortcut to that and just use that to shutdown
[02:51] <Ubuntian> i3dmaster, oh thanks a lot i was wondering what the difference was
[02:51] <pfp> hmm, afaik halt uses shutdown (?)
[02:51] <Seveas> pfp, yes, so why use halt :)
[02:52] <Seveas> Ironfrost, use gksudo then
[02:52] <shanon> Is any one here using ffmpeg for encoding ?
[02:52] <pfp> shorter, and it sounds good :)
[02:52] <Ng> HawkeVIPER: how are they insecure?
[02:52] <HawkeVIPER> pfp, only if the runlevel !=0/6
[02:52] <Seveas> HawkeVIPER, ubuntus default runlevel is 2
[02:52] <HawkeVIPER> maybe these days they're ok
[02:53] <Ironfrost> Seveas - gksudo?
[02:53] <HawkeVIPER> back in the day, calling them directly was bad
[02:53] <Ironfrost> (I've still got a lot to learn about Linux)
[02:53] <Seveas> Ironfrost, GUI for sudo
[02:53] <Ironfrost> OK, thanks!
[02:53] <pfp> HawkeVIPER: but 0 and 6 are halt/reboot, so you cant run anything in them anyway
[02:55] <Jonex> If I have ideas on how to inprove the installations interface, would anyone bother to care?
[02:56] <Hatred> lol
[02:56] <kev0r> for ((i="00";i<10;i++));do echo $i;done
[02:56] <kev0r> this line boosts 0-9 on screen
[02:56] <kev0r> how can i make it do 00-09?
[02:56] <kev0r> so if i do i<50 it echos 00-50
[02:57] <kev0r> 49 even
[02:57] <kev0r> OBO's suck ;)
[02:57] <pfp> kev0r: use printf instead of echo
[02:57] <tuppa> thom: around?
[02:58] <tuppa> or anyone knows about acpid and acpi-support
[02:58] <reka> hello.  on boot-up, a check of the root filesystem was done (i had that countdown that tells you it will check in 'x' mounts) and errors were found. i ran fsck. and a lot of errors were found.  i said yes to all the fixes and everything seems normal.  question: why did it find errors?  afaik, i haven't done anything risky (haven't updated kernel or anything).
[02:58] <reka> background: i reinstalled ubuntu about 3 weeks ago becuase dpkg, among other things was borked.  i was prompted to run fsck on bootup, and i said yes to all the fixes.  upon loading gnome however, nautilus sorted my folders strangely, so i just reinstalled to fix everything.  so the system now should be clean.  i don't understand [1]  why i needed to fsck in the first place. [2]  where the errors are coming from
[02:58] <kev0r> pfp, does not matter
[02:58] <kev0r> only difference is that printf  does same as echo -n
[02:58] <tuppa> can anyone suspend with mysqld running?
[02:59] <deng> have error screen when starting ubuntu
[02:59] <deng> ihave error screen when starting ubuntu
[02:59] <tuppa> it seems like despite mysql is in STOP_SERVICES in /etc/default/acpi-support, mysqld doesn't seem to die
[02:59] <tuppa> yet if I do as prepare.sh says (invoke-rckd mysql stop), mysql stops properly
[03:00] <pfp> kev0r: you need to specify a format string, man printf
[03:00] <Seveas> reka, it sounds like your disk is falling apart
[03:01] <kev0r> pfp: i'm not using it to echo, i'm using it to unrar multiple files
[03:01] <Seveas> reka, that answers both [1]  and [2] 
[03:01] <reka> Seveas: thanks for the reply.  hmm, that's not good :-(
[03:01] <kev0r> so just need the var $i itself to be 2 chars
[03:01] <Seveas> reka, make that NOW instead of soon :)
[03:02] <pfp> reka: or some trouble with the chipset  / ide drives / ram
[03:02] <reka> pfp: well, that narrows it down. :-/
[03:02] <reka> :-)
[03:02] <pfp> kev0r: then why not something like for i in *.rar ; do rar x "$i" ; done
[03:03] <jono> hi all
[03:03] <pfp> reka: yeah :) :(
[03:03] <jono> how can I format my iriver to vfat?
[03:03] <kev0r> pfp: that seems prety usefull :P
[03:03] <kev0r> haha
[03:03] <deng> hi jono
[03:03] <Seveas> jono, mkfs.vfat /dev/your_iriver_disk
[03:03] <reka> damn it.  well i'm not going back to *that* computer dealer.
[03:04] <deng> i try to run mirc with ubuntu but i have lagg ... i use winehq for running mirc applications
[03:04] <jono> hi deng
[03:04] <pfp> kev0r: or something like rar x file`printf "%0d" $n`.rar
[03:04] <jono> Seveas, cheers
[03:05] <pfp> jono: if you want fat32 (large disk), mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/yourdisk
[03:05] <jono> Seveas, should I unmount the disk first?
[03:06] <goye2cz> seveas: I ran that command... the mount one. Was I supposed to replace "somwhere" with somethign else?
[03:06] <makoto> Is anyone able to help me in KDE here? Kubuntu is dead silent....
[03:06] <pfp> jono: yes
[03:07] <deng> anyone running mirc ubuntu here..
[03:07] <rickie> mIRC Ubuntu?
[03:07] <rickie> I thought it was windows only?
[03:07] <kev0r> mIRC is a windows prog right, it's runnable under Wine
[03:08] <Hatred> deng- you mean running mirc under wine in ubuntu ??
[03:08] <kev0r> but still
[03:08] <jono> Seveas, should it only take a few seconds
[03:08] <Siropel> is ubuntu suitable for a server ? ...
[03:08] <deng> ye Hatred
[03:08] <rickie> lads, i can't get http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs to work
[03:08] <Vjaz> why on earth would anyone want to run mIRC (on Ubuntu)?
[03:08] <Hatred> deng- yea, i can use mirc under wine without any issues
[03:08] <Hatred> oh
[03:08] <rickie> when i try the gstreamer lame thing i get an error
[03:08] <Hatred> i can't open the remotes windw
[03:08] <deng> but i have lagg when i connecting it
[03:09] <Vjaz> Siropel: Well yes you can use Ubuntu for a server, but I would probably recommend vanilla Debian for servers.
[03:10] <Siropel> Vjaz i`m talking about a router for let`s say 25 computers ... routing with iptables
[03:11] <pfp> debian tends to have older s/w, but maybe it's not an issue for a router
[03:11] <jind> Is there a startup script I can use to put som custom boot stuff in Ubuntu?
[03:12] <steven> jind, update-rc.d ?
[03:12] <reka> rickie: what problems are you having?
[03:12] <Siropel> jind just make a bash script and ad it to rc.d
[03:12] <jind> rc.d alright
[03:12] <Siropel> jind i`ll help you if you want
[03:12] <steven> siropel, it's not for fun guys have developed the update-rc.d
[03:12] <rickie> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:12] <rickie>  /var/cache/apt/archives/liblame0_3.96.1-1_i386.deb
[03:12] <rickie> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1), that's what i get in terminal when i try it
[03:12] <Seveas> jind, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[03:13] <jind> I just need a fast way to add echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq to the boot :-)
[03:13] <pfp> jind: make a script in /etc/init.d/myfoo and use update-rc.d to create a symlink from rc2.d to it
[03:13] <steven> seveas, you still need to install thta script
[03:13] <steven> else it won't run
[03:13] <Seveas> steven, no
[03:13] <Seveas> bootmisc.sh is already there
[03:13] <jind> Alright. I'm new with debian/ubuntu. I am used to /etc/rc.local :-)
[03:14] <reka> rickie: what command produces that?
[03:14] <rickie> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-lame
[03:15] <reka> mhmm, i think the lame package has been removed from the repos
[03:15] <reka> unless it's in marillat
[03:16] <jind> Am i supposed to use bootmisc.sh? Or should I leave it alone and make a new script?
[03:16] <reka> rickie: do you actually need it?
[03:16] <steven> reka, you won't find it in hoary
[03:16] <Seveas> reka, it's in multiverse
[03:16] <BockBilbo> hello
[03:16] <rickie> Reka: any other way i can get media files working without those?
[03:16] <Seveas> steven, you will
[03:16] <BockBilbo> does anyone know where does mysql save its databases in the disk?
[03:16] <TheNose> hi
[03:16] <reka> Seveas: hmm, i have multiverse enabled.
[03:16] <Seveas> jind, you can use both
[03:17] <Seveas> dennis@vsl1:~$ apt-cache policy lame
[03:17] <Seveas> 500 http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Packages
[03:17] <steven> seveas, ah, is there somekind of definitions on what multiverse, universe is?
[03:17] <pfp> BockBilbo: /var/lib/mysql/
[03:17] <TheNose> respect! ubuntu is so great! just installed it tody!
[03:17] <xxenon> hi
[03:17] <Seveas> steven, www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[03:17] <xxenon> how do I prevent linux-image-*.deb to touch my grub.conf ?
[03:17] <BockBilbo> pfp, will it backaup the whole server if i save that directory?
[03:17] <Seveas> xxenon, you can't...
[03:17] <BockBilbo> im chaging my server pc
[03:17] <xxenon> excellent...
[03:17] <BockBilbo> ...
[03:18] <reka> Rickie: you pretty much only need w32codecs (video) and gstreamer0.8-mad (mp3 support in totem) .  you can ditch the gstreamer ones if you install a seperate music player like beep-media-player
[03:18] <Seveas> xxenon, why would you want that, updating grub is very useful...
[03:18] <steven> seveas, thanks!
[03:18] <Seveas> BockBilbo, see the upgrade notes on the mysql site
[03:18] <hondje> I bet he could chmod a-x `which update-grub`
[03:18] <Seveas> a-w
[03:18] <pfp> BockBilbo: hmm, i've used mysqldump command
[03:18] <Seveas> ehm yeah, for update grub :)
[03:18] <hondje> :)
[03:18] <BockBilbo> Seveas, im not upgrading mysql
[03:18] <Seveas> but that will cause dpkg to fail
[03:18] <xxenon> Seveas - the thing, I need to add  a particular boot option to my kernel
[03:19] <BockBilbo> im chaging my computer
[03:19] <Seveas> BockBilbo, i meant migration notes :)
[03:19] <hondje> oh yes, that it would
[03:19] <Seveas> xxenon, you can add that in the default options
[03:19] <xxenon> Seveas - the parameter is for one kernel only.
[03:19] <Seveas> there's a line that stats with #kopt, change that
[03:19] <BockBilbo> i seee
[03:19] <Seveas> xxenon, ahh..
[03:19] <Seveas> well, put that kernel outside the automagic kernel list then :)
[03:20] <xxenon> yeah ..
[03:21] <Seveas> xxenon, you can also replace /sbin/update grub with a simple shell script that does nothing :)
[03:21] <Seveas>  /sbin/update-grub
[03:21] <sinnlos> hi
[03:22] <xxenon> Seveas - :)
[03:22] <xxenon> why not.
[03:22] <sinnlos> know anywhere goot servers where i can apt-get using to become mplayer ?
[03:23] <Seveas> sinnlos, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[03:23] <sinnlos> so easy ?
[03:23] <Seveas> sinnlos, ja
[03:23] <sinnlos> german ?
[03:23] <Seveas> sinnlos, nein, hollndisch
[03:24] <sinnlos> ist ja das selbe lol
[03:24] <Seveas> but i'm playing german music now ;)
[03:24] <sinnlos> :)
[03:24] <Seveas> Rammstein - Los (inspiriert vin deine nickname ;))
[03:24] <xxenon> haha Rammstein
[03:24] <sinnlos> macht es was wenn ich nicht hoary hab sondern eineltere version ?
[03:24] <Seveas> sinnlos, do hast warty noch?
[03:24] <sinnlos> ja
[03:24] <sinnlos> schlimm ?
[03:25] <theD3viL> Which programm can be used for net limmiter ?
[03:25] <Seveas> hmm, dan musst du marillat bentzen
[03:25] <sinnlos> miri was ?
[03:25] <Seveas> oder upgraden nach hoary
[03:25] <sinnlos> wie geht upgraden ?
[03:25] <chrissturm> #ubuntu-de ?
[03:26] <Seveas> sehr einfach, nur ein kommando auf der kommandozeiele on 600 MB downloaden ;)
[03:26] <Seveas> sinnlos: One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[03:26] <Seveas> chrissturm, that channel has been reported to be quite empty...
[03:26] <sinnlos> well are there problems with ati ?
[03:27] <sinnlos> or knows anywhere of this ?
[03:27] <Seveas> sinnlos, if you have the restricted-modules package installed, it will upgrade the ati drivers too
[03:27] <chrissturm> seveas: its not empty at all
[03:27] <sinnlos> i have a radeon 9200se (PCI)
[03:27] <Seveas> chrissturm, ah, is there activity too or just idle people?
[03:27] <sinnlos> and i will 3d using like here
[03:28] <Seveas> sinnlos, that'll work well with the restricted-modules driver
[03:28] <chrissturm> seveas: schaut schon aktiv aus :)
[03:28] <sinnlos> well == good ?
[03:28] <Seveas> sinnlos, ja
[03:29] <sinnlos> super
[03:29] <sinnlos> upgrade runing .....
[03:29] <Seveas> sinnlos, und in #ubuntu-de kansst du mehr deutschsprchige hilfe finden :)
[03:30] <sinnlos> is mir relativ egal welche sprache ;) kann mich auch mit englisch anfreunden
[03:30] <jind> root@ras:/etc/init.d # update-rc.d -n ruben start 99 2S  <- what am I doing wrong here?
[03:30] <shanon> hmmmm itt is a little anoying that ubuntu compiles programs without restricted formats enabled (eg xvid).
[03:30] <Seveas> shanon, well, there's a good reason for it (legal issues)
[03:31] <Eighth> i think it's a copyright CYA thing on their part
[03:31] <shanon> Hmmmm.
[03:31] <Seveas> jind, read the manpage...
[03:31] <jind> I do
[03:31] <chrissturm> shanon: in the marillat repo you will find versions with restricted formats enabled
[03:31] <Seveas> the syntax is quite different
[03:31] <reka> ignorant question: do other distros provide out of the box mp3/video codecs?
[03:31] <chrissturm> reka: no free ones
[03:31] <shanon> chrissturm: How do I enable that
[03:32] <chrissturm> reka: its legally impossible
[03:32] <Seveas> jind        Equivalent command using explicit argument sets:
[03:32] <Seveas>           update-rc.d foobar start 20 2 3 4 5 . stop 20 0 1 6 .
[03:32] <Turoq> hmm i have cedega and cs works perfectly in it
[03:32] <Turoq> but
[03:32] <Turoq> i dont hear any sounds
[03:32] <jind> Ah. Thanks. I read the utdate-rc.d --help here
[03:32] <Turoq> also quake3 and i hear no sound
[03:32] <Turoq> but in warcraft 2 i hear sounds
[03:32] <Seveas> Turoq, either kill esd or teach cedega/quake to use it
[03:32] <Rickie> Isn't there a native version of Quake3 for Linux anyway?
[03:32] <Turoq> i killed esd
[03:33] <Turoq> but still no sound
[03:33] <reka> chrissturm: wow ok.  i was a mandrake user before and only used it for programming etc. so you'll forgive my ignorance about the multimeda side.
[03:33] <Turoq> i know
[03:33] <Turoq> i play native version
[03:33] <Turoq> but no sound :S
[03:33] <Turoq> in warcraft 2 there was sound
[03:33] <Rickie> oO
[03:33] <Turoq> but in cs = no sound
[03:33] <reka> Rickie: yes there is
[03:33] <Turoq> dont get this :S
[03:33] <Seveas> Turoq, look at the HoarySondProblems page on the wiki
[03:33] <chrissturm> shannon, reka: add this to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[03:33] <Turoq> ok i try
[03:33] <Seveas> chrissturm, NO!
[03:34] <Seveas> unstable should NOT be used with hoary
[03:34] <theD3viL> How to play wma files in xmms ?
[03:34] <Seveas> even stable is bad now sarge is released
[03:34] <chrissturm> seveas: really? what would you recommend?
[03:34] <reka> chrissturm: yes, i've sorted out my ubuntu system for mmedia thanks.  i just did'nt understand the legality side of it.
[03:35] <Seveas> chrissturm, well, selective downloading can be ok, but lots of packages can cause dependency problems
[03:35] <Eighth> what is gdm's equivalent to xdm's /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers ?
[03:35] <Hylas> has ubuntu stopped their free postage?
[03:36] <Rickie> Meh, xmms and BPM crash when i try to play music, Amarok 'plays' it but i can't hear anything (The visulizations move and such),  is it somthing to do with my gstreamer settings?
[03:37] <reka> Rickie: change the output plugin to esound
[03:37] <reka> in xmms or bmp
[03:37] <Seveas> in ~/.xmms/config or ~/.bmp/config
[03:38] <reka> through preferences might be easier.
[03:38] <Rickie> Woo!, thanks :)
[03:40] <shanon> I just had a look on the ubuntu guide and it now says to use the backport repos
[03:40] <Seveas> ubuntuguide is bad
[03:40] <shanon> Does anyone know what these are ?
[03:40] <Seveas> backports are worse :)
[03:40] <reka> shanon: yep, a lot of people have problems with that site.
[03:40] <shanon> Seveas: Excellent!
[03:40] <reka> shanon: what are you trying to do?
[03:41] <shanon> reka: I need ffmpeg with xvid and mp3 enabled but the standard one doesn't come with them enabled
[03:41] <ABPSoft> Hi
[03:42] <shanon> I can just build it from source but then it is not managed for upgrades etc...
[03:42] <reka> shanon: ah, ok. i never used ffmpeg.
[03:42] <Seveas> shanon, you could use apt-get source ffmpeg, change the makefiles and use dpkg-buildpackage
[03:43] <shanon> Seveas: Hmmm that sounds interesting. What will happen when a new version is available ?
[03:43] <ABPSoft> Anyone here knows how the LiveCD gets dm-snapshot over cloop?
[03:44] <Seveas> it will be upgraded, so you will lose the divx etc... again but you can again do the apt-get source trick
[03:44] <ABPSoft> I've tried that myself and cloop just shredders most of the data
[03:44] <Seveas> ABPSoft, maybe the livecdcustomizationhowto page can shed some light
[03:45] <ABPSoft> Seveas: No, it doesn't really
[03:45] <shanon> So apt-get source ffmpeg .. change ... then dpkg-buildpackage ffmpeg ?
[03:45] <ffm> hey all, anyone know an easy command-line email program, preferably one I can get with apt-get?
[03:45] <Seveas> no just dpkg-buildpackage
[03:45] <ABPSoft> Seveas: It doesn't give a hint where I may find the patch that Ubuntu apparently uses to get a working cloop into the kernel
[03:45] <shanon> Seveas: How does it know which package to build ?
[03:45] <Seveas> in the directory where you type apt-get source (or where you moved the sources to)
[03:45] <olorin> ffm: email program ?
[03:46] <shanon> ah I see
[03:46] <ffm> Yeah, where I can send automated emails from my linux serer to my workstation
[03:46] <Seveas> ABPSoft, hmm, maybe in ubuntu-kernel-patch oslt
[03:46] <olorin> ffm: mail (sendmail) , mutt, pine ...
[03:47] <shanon> Seveas: I will try that... Thanks
[03:47] <olorin> ffm: so try 'mail'
[03:47] <bob2> ffm: mutt
[03:47] <ABPSoft> Seveas: I'll have a look. Didn't find any kernel-* packages so far, but didn't look for onews starting with u ;)
[03:47] <Seveas> ABPSoft, kernel packageas are called linux-imag-*
[03:47] <Seveas> ABPSoft, kernel packageas are called linux-image-*
[03:47] <ffm> okay, and one more question... if I want it to send one email per day... where would I put that?
[03:47] <Seveas> ffm cron?
[03:48] <ffm> ah yes... cron
[03:48] <ffm> sorry for the newb questions,
[03:49] <reka> we're relatively newbie friendly here :-)
[03:49] <ABPSoft> Seveas: No ubuntu-kernel* in /ubuntu/pool/main/u so far
[03:50] <student> hello everyone
[03:50] <Seveas> ABPSoft, linux-patch-ubuntu
[03:50] <Seveas>  linux-patch-ubuntu-2.6.12 - Ubuntu patches to Linux 2.6.12
[03:50] <ffm> alright, thanks for all the help everyone
[03:50] <Seveas> that's for the .12 kernel, but on hoary you need 2.6.10
[03:50] <student> whois aegr
[03:51] <ABPSoft> Seveas: My goodnes, they released .12 ;)
[03:51] <Seveas> ABPSoft, ONLY IN BREEZY
[03:51] <Seveas> oops, caps...
[03:51] <ABPSoft> Seveas: Also found loop-modules, I'll look further
[03:52] <chocoIate> where do i get a package for x
[03:52] <Seveas> chocoIate, can you be a bit more specific...
[03:53] <chocoIate> :P
[03:53] <shanon> Hmmmm unfortunatly you need to install all the dev packages... Oh well setting it up anyway
[03:53] <chocoIate> well here it says "If you are running X, you will want to use the wonderful new X-based kernel configuration tool"
[03:53] <chocoIate> i'd like to run x, where do i get it from :o
[03:53] <chocoIate> x.org :o
[03:53] <jaakko> how do i make a shortcut to a folder???
[03:53] <chocoIate> is there a package for ubuntu somewhere without my having to compile the source
[03:54] <Seveas> jaakko, ln -s /path/to/folder
[03:54] <Seveas> chocoIate, sudo aptitude install x-window-system
[03:55] <jaakko> ok thanks
[03:55] <Eighth> i'm trying to get my pilot to sync with gnome-pilot running hoary.
[03:55] <Seveas> chocoIate, x is the GUI stuff
[03:55] <chocoIate> Seveas : i'm still not connected online
[03:55] <chocoIate> i'd like to download it from the ubuntu ftp
[03:55] <Eighth> each time i reboot, /dev/pilot goes away and i have to recreate it (symlink)
[03:55] <chocoIate> do you have a direct link :o
[03:55] <Seveas> chocoIate, it's on the ubuntu install cd
[03:55] <Eighth> how can i get it to stay?
[03:55] <chocoIate> oh ok
[03:55] <chocoIate> thanks
[03:55] <Seveas> chocoIate, if you have a desktop system, you have X installed already :)
[03:56] <chocoIate> well, i get an error
[03:57] <count0nz> mines a bit squeesed so i run server :P
[03:57] <reka> Eighth: what is /dev/pilot?
[03:58] <Eighth> reka: it's a symlink to /dev/ttyUSB1
[03:59] <paulfox> how can i ftp to a machine with a diff username from that on my local machine?
[03:59] <reka> Eighth: i'm guessing you'll need to edit /etc/fstab and add an automount entry
[03:59] <paulfox> i remember doing it, but forgotten now :S
[03:59] <Eighth> really? for a symlink?
[03:59] <brum> paulfox ftp user@host
[04:00] <paulfox> brum, ta very much
[04:00] <paulfox> brum, that gives me "unknown host"
[04:00] <reka> Eighth: ah.  i defer to someone else...
[04:01] <reka> sorry
[04:01] <Eighth> s'ok
[04:01] <brum> paulfox: where are you trying to ftp to?/
[04:01] <paulfox> my personal ftp
[04:01] <paulfox> website
[04:02] <shanon> paulfox: ??? ftp host ...... then enter the user name and password
[04:02] <ABPSoft> Seveas: Ok, the cloop stuff is indeed in this patch. No I'll try to port that into my kernel.
[04:02] <paulfox> shanon, can the username not be passed on the initial command line?
[04:03] <shanon> paulfox: yes it is done the way brum said. depending on your client
[04:03] <paulfox> ah right
[04:03] <paulfox> ok thanks brum, shanon
[04:03] <magog> i jus set back up my ubunutu, which codes do i need for mp3 and avi?
[04:05] <paulfox> magog, look at ubuntuguide
[04:05] <reka> magog: w32codecs for video.  if you're using totem for mp3s, you'll need gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:05] <magog> err i knew you guys were gonna tell me to look at the guide and honestly ive taken alot of pills and am pretty incoherent
[04:06] <bob2> magog: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:06] <shanon> magog: lol
[04:07] <magog> hmm ihave gstreamer installer but no mp3 support
[04:07] <magog> i know i got it working before
[04:07] <bob2> so
[04:07] <magog> jus dont remember how
[04:07] <bob2> install gstreamer0.8-mad, like the page says
[04:07] <bob2> then gstreamer-based programs will support mp3 files
[04:07] <magog> i dont see -mad
[04:08] <bob2> then, read the page
[04:09] <shanon> grrr.. how do I tell dpkg-buildpackage to use the configure options I specified instead of rerunning ./configure with its own ?
[04:09] <bob2> shanon: by editing debian/rules
[04:09] <bob2> that's how debian packages work
[04:09] <shanon> bob2: thanks I see it
[04:09] <Seveas> shanon, aptitude install maint-guide
[04:09] <Seveas> that'll give you a nice intro into packaging
[04:10] <flodine> why is there no update for gdesklets 35
[04:11] <flodine> hello is ubuntu behind
[04:11] <maruko`> hey when entering my password on the password field on GDM.. instead of the "asterisks ( or dots)" appearing.. boxes are appearing.. boxes with numbers on them
[04:11] <Seveas> flodine, hoary will only receive security updates...
[04:11] <Seveas> flodine, it's a *stable* distro
[04:12] <shanon> Seveas: Where does it install it to ?
[04:12] <flodine> what if i want to update
[04:12] <Seveas> maruko`, like 
[04:12] <maruko`> yes
[04:12] <cyphase> Firefox on Jeopardy - http://blakeross.com/index.php?p=134
[04:12] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> apt-get update :}
[04:12] <Seveas> maruko`, have you changed fonts lately?
[04:12] <flodine> im stuck like chuck
[04:12] <Seveas> flodine, either install manually or wait for breezy to stabilize
[04:12] <maruko`> Seveas : nope.. just recently installed unbuntu with "server-expert"
[04:13] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> i just installed ubuntu and upgraded still rock solid
[04:13] <Seveas> maruko`, hmm, odd
[04:13] <Seveas> maruko`, try dpkg-reconfigure locales and make sure utf8 locales are generated
[04:13] <reka> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: to breezy?
[04:13] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> no
[04:13] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> to new for me
[04:13] <maruko`> Seveas : ok, will try that. thanks
[04:14] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> using this for my media box
[04:14] <shanon> Seveas: ?
[04:14] <Seveas> shanon, ?
[04:14] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> old 1 gig pen III
[04:14] <synd> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: nice
[04:14] <shanon> Seveas: Sorry you must of missed my question. Where does it install the guide to ? As in how can I read it
[04:14] <Seveas> ah, dpkg -L packagename
[04:15] <reka> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: then what did you mean by upgrade?
[04:15] <Seveas> so, dpkg -L maint-guide in this case
[04:15] <Seveas> that'll tell you where it is
[04:15] <shanon> thanks
[04:15] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> apt-get upgrade  <---
[04:15] <shanon> ah it is html cool
[04:15] <magog> hmmm theese codecas are source and ginving me errors installing, i remeber doing this in synaptic too
[04:15] <synd> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: i have a 1ghz P3 and a 650Mhz P3 lappy that i revived from the dead with ubuntu
[04:15] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> yea
[04:15] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> old compaq EN desktop
[04:16] <synd> nic
[04:16] <synd> e
[04:16] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> 384 sdram
[04:16] <bob2> magog: you don't need to compile anything
[04:16] <magog> bob2, i didnt think so
[04:16] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> 2940 uw card ans 18gig 10,000 rpm Hd / 68pin
[04:16] <magog> cant i jus do it in synaptic
[04:16] <magog> make life easier
[04:17] <bob2> magog: yes, the page I pointed you at explains how
[04:17] <synd> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: 10K RPM?!
[04:17] <maruko`> 10K?
[04:17] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> yea
[04:18] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> old sun  drive
[04:18] <magog> bob2, im sorry to bother you but im fkked up right now...too many pills.....can you tell me the name of the codecs i can get off synaptic?
[04:18] <synd> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: is the performance a big diff from a regular 7200 rpm?
[04:18] <Seveas> synd, ultra wide scsi disks can do that :)
[04:18] <bob2> magog: no, sorry
[04:18] <magog> lol
[04:18] <bob2> magog: (I did tell you what to install already)
[04:18] <synd> Seveas: i see. nuts
[04:18] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> well had 1 laying around
[04:18] <PhantomFreak> Does anyine know how to hot-swap drive in Thinkpads?
[04:18] <magog> and that mad pachage isnt on synaptic
[04:18] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> so i put it in barely fit :}
[04:18] <bob2> magog: so, perhaps you should read the page I pointed ou at
[04:18] <magog> i remember doing it all in synaptic last time
[04:18] <magog> ok
[04:18] <bob2> and learn how to enable the universe repository
[04:18] <magog> ill try
[04:19] <magog> i remmebrr doing it quick and easy in synaptic
[04:19] <bob2> if you're on medication, perhaps you should go to bed or something
[04:19] <bob2> yes, it is very simple to do
[04:19] <reka> yeah. kids these days.  "dude, i just took some pills.  what do i feel like doin? i know, i'll try and install my codecs."
[04:19] <magog> reka, its prescribed to mefor legit reasons
[04:19] <maruko`> how can i choose what scripts to run during startup ? ( like i dont want lvm to run during startup ) something like slackware's services program
[04:20] <Seveas> maruko`, update-rc.d
[04:20] <PhantomFreak> What is the command to safely remove a DVD rom drive which is hot-swapable?
[04:20] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> whats uninstall in debian
[04:20] <Seveas> PhantomFreak, rmmod the modules it uses and remove it..?
[04:20] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> like rpm -e in rpm distros
[04:20] <maruko`> thanks again
[04:20] <WhiteRabbit> PhantomFreak, laptop? just remove it
[04:20] <nalioth> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: apt-get remove
[04:21] <Seveas> or aptitude purge
[04:21] <PhantomFreak> REmoving just hangs it!
[04:21] <ABPSoft> Seveas: *Thanks* - applied that patch, used the new cloop, works as it have should yesterday with the vanilla package
[04:21] <reka> magnon: no offence intended.  i was just pointing out that if i was off my face, tinkering with my computer isn't usually top on my list. :-)
[04:21] <Seveas> apt-get remove --purge is better than apt-get remove, it purges config files too...
[04:21] <bob2> PhantomFreak: hangs *what*?
[04:21] <reka> magog rather.
[04:21] <Seveas> ABPSoft, nice!
[04:21] <WhiteRabbit> PhantomFreak, thats a shame cause on mine I can hotswap by just doin it
[04:21] <nalioth> Seveas: it all depends on what you want the end result to be
[04:22] <Seveas> nalioth, of course
[04:22] <ABPSoft> Seveas: Any idea who did this patch? It should really be fed back to Klaus Knopper et al
[04:22] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> ty nalioth
[04:22] <ABPSoft> Seveas: Or ideally, to Linus for inclusion in the vanilla kernel ;)
[04:22] <Seveas> ABPSoft, is there no author mentioned in the patch?
[04:22] <ABPSoft> Seveas: Didn't spot one
[04:23] <Seveas> ABPSoft, then ENOCLUE :)
[04:23] <reka> bob2: can i get a second opinion on a question i asked earlier?  do errors found by fsck usually indicate HDD failure?
[04:23] <ABPSoft> Seveas: But alas, I didn't read the metadata yet, just ar x'ed the .deb...
[04:24] <bob2> reka: depends.  fsck finds problems on the filesystem level, so they could also come from an unclean shutdown or from the kernel going nuts
[04:24] <nalioth> reka: depends on what the error is (and if you hear horrible clacking sounds)
[04:24] <qPid> moin
[04:24] <nalioth> bob2: is there a SMART program in linux? (for HDs?)
[04:25] <Seveas> bob2, but fsck errors followed by a reinstall followed by correct function followed by again lots of fsck errors tells me that the drive is dying
[04:25] <bob2> nalioth: yes, apt-cache search smart
[04:25] <bob2> Seveas: oh, yeah, indeed
[04:25] <bob2> reka: what Seveas says does point at hard ware problems
[04:25] <Seveas> and that's his situation :)
[04:25] <bob2> reka: which could be as simple as the cable being loos or dodgy
[04:25] <Seveas> hmm, good point
[04:25] <nalioth> bob2: thx
[04:26] <bob2> reka: but could also be a bad hard disk or motherboard or ...
[04:26] <reka> nalioth: no. no sounds.  the errors were found on the boot-up filesystem check.
[04:26] <bob2> reka: it could also be from an underpowered PSU...do you have lots of disks/add on cards?
[04:26] <reka> bob2: ah.  you're adding possibilities to my list :-)
[04:27] <reka> so far the possibilities are my HDD, the chipset, IDE drives, ram,
[04:28] <reka> hmmm, the PSU could be an interesting one.  i *did* replace t a while ago, but it had been used for ~2yrs.
[04:29] <nalioth> reka: reka as far as PSU's go, bigger (and more stable) is better
[04:29] <reka> nalioth: naive question: so generally HDD problems are accompanied by bad sounds?  i haven't heard any.
[04:29] <jason> have question about insmod in Ubuntu
[04:29] <bob2> reka: that is a good sign
[04:30] <jason> i do: insmod hello.ko
[04:30] <bob2> reka: bad noises = disk physically screwed
[04:30] <Seveas> jason, insmod is deprecated
[04:30] <nalioth> reka: my HD on my ibook here failed over a period of 3 weeks. the grinding started out as ticking and continued to the point of making the machine move
[04:30] <PhantomFreak> Now that I can remove the CD, how do I activate the floppy!
[04:30] <Seveas> you should use modprobe
[04:30] <reka> bob2: hehe.  yes i think that would be a signal. :-)
[04:30] <Seveas> PhantomFreak, modprobe the floppy modules?
[04:30] <jason> but thats what i have to use in my labs
[04:30] <jason> i cant use modprobe
[04:30] <Seveas> jason, ok :)
[04:30] <bob2> jason: so, explain to us how it doesn't work
[04:30] <jason> anyway the error is: Invalid module format
[04:30] <Seveas> jason, then do go on with the problem :)
[04:30] <reka> nalioth: well i haven't heard any weird noises so it seems like it must be something else.
[04:31] <bob2> jason: is your lab based on the 2.4 kernel?
[04:31] <Seveas> jason, build it with the correct kernel headers and compile options.
[04:31] <jason> Seveas sorry didnt mean to be mean with my reply... :-)
[04:31] <bob2> jason: and are you on an amd64 machine?
[04:31] <MaRcIo> hi
[04:31] <jason> no im using warty and kernel 2.6.8.1
[04:31] <Seveas> jason, you weren't
[04:31] <MaRcIo> i was trying to install ubuntu
[04:31] <jason> intel x86
[04:31] <bob2> jason: how did you compile the kernel?
[04:32] <MaRcIo> but the partion program doesnt work
[04:32] <jason> make xconfig
[04:32] <bob2> jason: er, the module
[04:32] <jason> then make
[04:32] <nalioth> reka: bob2 i found no SMART hd proggy via apt
[04:32] <jason> make -C /usr/src/linux-xxx SUBDIRS=$PWD modules
[04:33] <jason> please dont type too fast gi
[04:33] <Seveas> nalioth, smartmontools
[04:33] <bob2> nalioth: smartmontools - control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T.
[04:33] <jason> guys am trying to peruse your replies :-)
[04:33] <bob2> nalioth: apt-cache search smart hard
[04:33] <nalioth> bob2: Seveas need to refine my search skills
[04:33] <jason> has anyone got the same problem before?
[04:33] <nalioth> reka, there ya go
[04:33] <nalioth> smartmontools
[04:34] <jason> please please i have exam soon :-)
[04:34] <reka> jason: you haven't seen the channel in *peak* hour.  this is slow. :-)
[04:34] <reka> nalioth: thanks
[04:34] <jason> reka lol
[04:34] <bob2> jason: that sounds very much like it was built for a 2.4 kernel
[04:34] <shanon> jason: He is not joking
[04:34] <BockBilbo> i have a question
[04:34] <bob2> or for another architecture
[04:34] <bob2> jason: what does 'file hello.ko' print?
[04:34] <BockBilbo> i have just tried the hoary live cd in a new pc i just bought
[04:34] <BockBilbo> and the resolution of the screen is really poor
[04:35] <Seveas> jason, are you sure that linux-xxxx points to the sources of your currently running kernel?
[04:35] <jason> which one was built for the 2.4 kernel? the module im installing?
[04:35] <BockBilbo> and the config of the frecuency rate is wrong
[04:35] <jason> or the make package?
[04:35] <bob2> BockBilbo: nvidia or i810 chipset?
[04:35] <BockBilbo> bob2, no idea
[04:35] <BockBilbo> :S
[04:35] <bob2> jason: what does 'file hello.ko' print?
[04:35] <bob2> BockBilbo: then find out
[04:35] <BockBilbo> its not an nvidea
[04:35] <jason> bob just hello
[04:35] <reka> nalioth: uh, why does smartmontools need mailx? :-)
[04:35] <nalioth> reka: http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/
[04:35] <bob2> jason: no, paste the output here
[04:35] <nalioth> reka: i don't know
[04:36] <bob2> reka: it emails you to tell you when your disk is screwed
[04:36] <BockBilbo> its an intergrated graphic card
[04:36] <nalioth> reka: i just found its existence myself
[04:36] <bob2> reka: (it on;y Recommends mailx, tho)
[04:36] <bob2> BockBilbo: then presumably i915, known bug
[04:36] <jason> Seveas yes theres only one source installed
[04:36] <nalioth> bob2: must be thinking of server machines, cuz its woulednt work too well on itself, lol
[04:36] <bob2> BockBilbo: it's possible to get it working with a small amount of fiddling in an installed system
[04:36] <MaRcIo> help
[04:36] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> mmmmmmm  lshw :}
[04:36] <reka> bob2: ah, true.  misread the apt-cache entry.
[04:36] <bob2> nalioth: er? postfix is installed on all ubuntu machines.
[04:37] <reka> nalioth: thanks again.  i'll have a look
[04:37] <Seveas> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, try lshal too ;)
[04:37] <bob2> jason: please show us what 'file hello.ko' prints out
[04:37] <nalioth> bob2: but if your HD is screwed, you might not get the mail to yourself
[04:37] <BockBilbo> bob2, will it work fine if i install hoary?
[04:37] <MaRcIo> can anyone help me in pvt?
[04:37] <jason> it should output the ff: hello world
[04:37] <jason> the actual line in code is: len = sprintf(page, "hello world\n"
[04:37] <BockBilbo> i dont really care about it right now cause i wont use the x server... but just wondering if i ever have to use it
[04:37] <Seveas> MaRcIo, we are a help channel, so you get help in the channel :)
[04:37] <bob2> BockBilbo: yes, as I said, with a small amount of fiddling
[04:38] <bob2> BockBilbo: it will work out of the box when hoary gets a new X server soon, I think
[04:38] <Seveas> jason, ehmm
[04:38] <bob2> jason: that's not what it prints out
[04:38] <BockBilbo> i see
[04:38] <bob2> jason: please run the command
[04:38] <MaRcIo> the partition program doesn't see my partitions
[04:38] <BockBilbo> yo by upgrading the system it will work in the future
[04:38] <BockBilbo> right?
[04:38] <MaRcIo> i have mdk swap e windows
[04:38] <BockBilbo> *so
[04:38] <bob2> BockBilbo: yes
[04:38] <MaRcIo> i'd like to remove mdk to put ubuntu
[04:38] <jason> guys i cant print out the actual output because i cant even insmod it...
[04:38] <BockBilbo> great
[04:38] <BockBilbo> :)
[04:38] <bob2> BockBilbo: the only issue is with the autoconfiguration
[04:38] <bob2> jason: dude
[04:38] <jason> if you meant the error wait...
[04:38] <bob2> jason: ignore that
[04:39] <bob2> jason: run the command "file hello.ko", and show us what it prints out
[04:39] <BockBilbo> just wondering, how do i get to know the architecture of my pc?
[04:39] <theD3viL> Is any program for convert wma to mp3 ?
[04:39] <BockBilbo> i know its an i386 based one
[04:39] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> darn need pci 3d accell card :{
[04:39] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> finnsh off this old 1 gig lol
[04:39] <Seveas> BockBilbo, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[04:39] <BockBilbo> thanks
[04:39] <jason> i ran it and spit out: hello.ko: ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped
[04:39] <bob2> BockBilbo: then it's i386
[04:40] <bob2> jason: excellent, thank you
[04:40] <jason> guys your being very helpful i appreciate :-)
[04:40] <bob2> jason: so, presumably it just wasn't compiled correctly
[04:40] <bob2> jason: can't your lecturer/tutor/teacher help you with that?
[04:41] <goff> Hey
[04:41] <jason> i think its too late too ask :-)
[04:41] <Nermal> #kernelnewbies ?
[04:41] <reka> nalioth: have you had a look at smartmontools?  can i run it in an active system? (running xchat, other proggies atm)
[04:42] <jason> it cant be not compiled correctly because i ahvent changed anything and it works in the labs... and just tryng to emulate in my pc
[04:42] <bob2> yeah, was gonna suggest that
[04:42] <Seveas> jason, have you read the lkmpg (linux kernel module programming guide) from tldp.org?
[04:42] <goff> I ripped a dvd with the dvdbackup program, but it riped it all into several .vob files. What should I do to get them into a smaller format?
[04:42] <bob2> jason: what kernel the computers in the lab run?
[04:42] <bob2> Seveas: has that been updated for 2.6?
[04:42] <jason> same 2.6.8.1
[04:42] <bob2> reka: sure
[04:42] <Seveas> bob2, hmm, lemme check
[04:42] <reka> bob2: ok, thanks.
[04:42] <jason> i tried to copy as much configuration in the labas possible
[04:42] <Seveas> haven't used it since 2.4 :)
[04:43] <nalioth> reka: have you been to the sourceforge page?
[04:43] <bob2> reka: it just polls the hard disk until the hard disk says "OH MY GOD THE SKY IS FALLING", and then it tells you
[04:43] <nalioth> reka: there appears to be a an on-demand proggy and a daemon
[04:43] <Seveas> bob2, it has been updated
[04:43] <bob2> ah, neat
[04:44] <synd> are there any podcasting clients for linux?
[04:46] <jason> #kernelnewbies is pretty quiet
[04:46] <reka> nalioth, bob2: i've skimmed the page.  working out how to invoke the scan.
[04:46] <jason> welp thanks anyways guys
[04:46] <bob2> jason: #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net
[04:46] <nalioth> reka: just add another daemon to your zoo
[04:47] <nalioth> reka: and have it flash your xserver on and off when doomsday comes. lol
[04:48] <synd-> hm
[04:49] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> is there a pkg for lm_sensors for ubuntu ?
[04:50] <bob2> yes
[04:50] <reka> nalioth: god i am a newbie.  so i'm not supposed to run a binary executable to check the disk, it'll just tell me when something's wrong?
[04:51] <nalioth> reka: the smartctl is "when you feel like it" and the smartd (with configuration) runs all the time and tells you when a parameter starts to slip
[04:51] <bob2> daemon = process that runs in the background, doing it's thing
[04:52] <bob2> e.g. apache, bind, a sound server
[04:52] <nalioth> reka: purty much any proggy ending in "d" is a daemon
[04:52] <reka> ah, thank you both for your patience.
[04:52] <nalioth> reka: ntpd, nntpd, ircd, etc
[04:52] <Nermal> apart from sed
[04:52] <Seveas> lol :)
[04:52] <Nermal> and ed
[04:52] <Seveas> jed
[04:52] <Nermal> and dd
[04:52] <Nermal> ;)
[04:53] <nalioth> reka: just run smartctl -h (for help)
[04:53] <reka> nalioth: ah, that's better. :-)
[04:54] <Seveas> invoke-rc.d / update-rc.d chmod dd lsmod mknod pwd iwgetid depmod insmod rmmod abiword parted and LOTS more :)
[04:54] <nalioth> reka: most every terminal app in *nix, when run w/o parameters gives you a helpful msg
[04:54] <Seveas> also -h or --help as parameter will be useful
[04:54] <nalioth> y'all i said "purty much" <<<thats texan for some of em
[04:55] <Xnalz> lol fell asleep last night at the desk installing ubuntu, how do I check to if my md5sums are good?
[04:55] <Xnalz> *check to see
[04:55] <Seveas> lol nalioth :)
[04:55] <jason> umm how do i add the irc.oftc.net server again?
[04:55] <Seveas> jason, /newserver irc.otfc.net (for xchat)
[04:55] <reka> "Testing has begun: Please wait 44 minutes for test to complete: Test will complete after Fri Jun 10 01:38:29 2005"
[04:56] <reka> meanwhile, things seem to have slowed down a bit :-)
[04:56] <reka> HDDresponse-wise
[04:56] <jason> thanks@
[04:56] <Do-It-Now> hi all
[04:56] <nalioth> reka: well i can't imagine why...
[04:56] <Seveas> reka, :)
[04:56] <Xnalz> can anyone tell me how to test the integraty of the md5sums?
[04:57] <Chetic> uhm.. I'm about to install the new ATi drivers, it says it needs POSIX Shared Memory support.. how do I know if I have that?
[04:57] <Seveas> md5sum -c filename.md5
[04:57] <Xnalz> sevas: where do i type that at?
[04:57] <Seveas> Chetic, you have that, but why don't you use the ati drivers from Ubuntu?
[04:57] <nalioth> i'm ruined by OSX (there it is called "md5")
[04:57] <Seveas> Xnalz, in a terminal
[04:57] <nalioth> Xnalz: in a terminal
[04:57] <reka> nalioth: it's because it's scanning the drive.  and you call yourself a guru. :-P
[04:58] <jason> is hoary any good?
[04:58] <Seveas> jason, it rocks :)
[04:58] <Xnalz> sevas& nalioth: but it won't install so no terminal
[04:58] <jason> why so?
[04:58] <Do-It-Now> hellow, someone know CST Blue Tooth Keyboard/Mouse working has synaptics driver?
[04:58] <lotusleaf> jason, it's better than god
[04:58] <Do-It-Now> for a touchpad
[04:58] <Seveas> rofl :)
[04:58] <nalioth> reka: you silly user, i was exuding sarcasm, positively exuding it
[04:58] <jason> lightning will stike you!!!
[04:58] <jason> lol
[04:58] <lotusleaf> jason, ubuntu will strike back
[04:59] <reka> nalioth: my nose must be blocked.
[04:59] <jason> rofl
[04:59] <dressed_in_black> what is the minimum spec for installing ubuntu as a server
[04:59] <Stuttergart> I'm upgrading a Debian stable box to Hoary and I'm getting an error message with apt:
[04:59] <Stuttergart> Install these packages without verification [y/N] ? n
[04:59] <Stuttergart> ?
[04:59] <dressed_in_black> eg from the boot screen typing inmstall server
[04:59] <jason> windows3.1 must be your god :-)
[04:59] <Stuttergart> I can't find a way to fix the apt signing in the wiki
[05:00] <Chetic> Seveas, Because THEY DON'T WORK.
[05:00] <lotusleaf> jason, windows3.1, doesn't he hang out with the lepers?
[05:00] <Seveas> Chetic, that's a good reason :)
[05:00] <nalioth> Stuttergart: just means that your deb supplier has no gpg key on file
[05:00] <jason> lotus :-)
[05:01] <Do-It-Now> snif
[05:01] <jason> anyways nuff funny stuff.. so iwas trying to get helpfrom oftc.net kernelnewbies but seems quiet as well
[05:02] <jason> whats a good forum to ask Ubuntu kernel-related probs from? with like relatively quick response? thansk
[05:02] <reka> jason: you'll get a quick response from #debian.  might not be a pleasant one though.
[05:03] <reka> jason: (note: don't ask in #debian)
[05:03] <lotusleaf> reka, lol
[05:03] <jason> reka: yea i read the sarcasm :-)
[05:03] <lotusleaf> cue "#debian isn't #ubuntu" with or without the # any time
[05:03] <reka> jason: must have rubbed off from nalioth
[05:03] <lotusleaf> that would just be asking for a spanking
[05:03] <reka> :-)
[05:04] <bob2> that's kinda unfair
[05:04] <bob2> #debian may be sometimes rude, but it certainly has some very very smart people
[05:04] <jason> ummm the last spanking i got was quite pleasant tho
[05:04] <jason> lol
[05:04] <reka> bob2: i'd never question that.
[05:05] <lotusleaf> bob2, oh yes #debian does
[05:05] <bob2> annnyway
[05:05] <bob2> OOH-OOH-OOH-BUN-TOO
[05:05] <bob2> woah
[05:05] <bob2> jason: you're doing COMP3300?
[05:05] <maruko`> BUN as in BUNny ?
[05:06] <nayif> what will happen if i uninstall - remove - ubuntu-desktop ?
[05:06] <jason> yes how do you know? you from anu>?
[05:06] <bob2> jason: hah, yeah
[05:06] <bob2> jason: I did it last year
[05:06] <jason> really
[05:07] <bob2> nayif: nothing, except you'll have problems upgrading to breezy when it releases
[05:07] <bob2> jason: with 2.4 kernels, tho
[05:07] <jason> are you doing adv RT this next sem?
[05:07] <nayif> is ubuntu 2005-10 will be based last debian 3.1 ?
[05:07] <bob2> not sure what that is?
[05:07] <bob2> nayif: no
[05:07] <Seveas> nayif, no ubuntu version so far has been based on sarge...
[05:07] <jason> advance real time systems
[05:07] <bob2> ah
[05:08] <bob2> probably not
[05:08] <bob2> jason: who's teaching comp3300 this semester?
[05:09] <jason> Dr Eric Mcreath he's a really good teacher
[05:09] <bob2> ah, I had him, he was awesome
[05:09] <nayif> bob2, i need to uninstall -ubnuntu-desktop- to intall hpldp driver for my hp lasser printer what i shuled i do than ? if upgrude will comeing soon
[05:09] <lotusleaf> bob2, but you may reinstall it later prior to upgrading to breezy though without complications right?
[05:09] <bob2> lotusleaf: right
[05:09] <bob2> nayif: october
[05:10] <lotusleaf> bob2, cool, I thought so, thanks. :)
[05:10] <jason> bob2 could you help me with this kernel stuff i'll pay :-)
[05:10] <Stuttergart> Anyone done a Sarge -> Hoary migration and been able to get the apt signing stuff to work ?
[05:10] <bob2> jason: haha, in what, uni bar beer? ;p
[05:10] <bob2> Stuttergart: you need to sort out the key manually
[05:11] <Stuttergart> bob2: Is there a document on what needs to be done?
[05:11] <jason> uni bar beer is good tho i'm not really a bar person...
[05:11] <bob2> Stuttergart: gpg --import <whateverkeyiditomcplainsabout> ; gpg --export <whateverkeyiditomcplainsabout> | sudo apt-key add -
[05:11] <jason> beer and programming = buggy codes
[05:11] <endy_> anyone know how to stop ubuntu deleting '/usr/lib/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.1.0.7664' each reboot. i have custom kernel and nvidia's driver package :S
[05:11] <bob2> jason: that's what tests are for ;p
[05:11] <nayif> is there how to or something to read more about ubuntu-desktop and hpldp driver ?
[05:11] <bob2> jason: let me see check the course notes
[05:11] <bob2> jason: assuming they're not in webct
[05:11] <jason> its public
[05:12] <bob2> good
[05:12] <bob2> or I'd have to start my "webct is the spawn of the devil" rant
[05:12] <jason> lol
[05:13] <bob2> hah, go dcs, the student page is broken
[05:13] <jason> gosh those guys in debian really are freaksih arent they? :-)
[05:13] <bob2> no, you were just highly silly for starting off like that
[05:13] <jason> woot? you cant access?
[05:13] <jason> ah ok
[05:13] <bob2> that's more or less considered trolling
[05:13] <nayif> if am noob on prgramming or something like that can i do something like this http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBounties or google-code ?
[05:14] <bob2> hm
[05:14] <bob2> jason: where're the lecture notes and stuff?
[05:14] <jason> whats trolling? thats new to me
[05:14] <bob2> jason: it's not on cs/student/comp3300/
[05:14] <jason> go to cs/student/comp3300
[05:14] <jason> then click lab/tutorials
[05:14] <bob2> oh, duh
[05:14] <jason> sorry tutorial/lab exercises
[05:15] <bob2> which lab?
[05:15] <newz2000> Any Help? I'm getting an OOPS during install (configuring iptables) http://rafb.net/paste/results/YQ1PlQ51.html
[05:15] <jason> any i just want to be able to insmod a module
[05:15] <jason> try lab1 hello.c
[05:15] <bob2> nayif: you'd probably better off working on something a lot simpler
[05:16] <toonx> hi all! can i use ubuntu repositories with debian?
[05:16] <bob2> jason: yes, I know, but the reason you can't insmod it is because the module wasn't compiled correctly
[05:16] <bob2> afaict
[05:16] <bob2> toonx: no
[05:16] <jason> the hello module?
[05:16] <toonx> bob2: uhmm , what happends if i do?
[05:16] <Chetic> HELP - "glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[05:16] <reka> bob2, jason: out of curiosity, what uni are you talking about?
[05:16] <bob2> reka: www.anu.edu.au
[05:16] <jason> howd you know its not compiled correctly? i used the same commands:
[05:17] <bob2> toonx: then you'll get to fix it yourself, since debian and ubuntu people will tell you to go away
[05:17] <toonx> bob2: apt-get update seems not to be bodered..
[05:17] <bob2> toonx: of course
[05:17] <jason> make -C /usr/src/linux-xxx SUBDIRS=$PWD modules
[05:17] <toonx> bob2: uhm , i dont get it , if its starts with deb why ther's no common support?
[05:18] <bob2> toonx: because you're making some mix that no one else has
[05:18] <bob2> toonx: if you don't understand what the problem is, you won't understand how to fix it
[05:18] <jason> bob2: are you looking at it or just CBF?
[05:18] <Chetic> How do I make applications find my libGL.so.1 file? I want to add it to some kind of PATH
[05:18] <bob2> jason: looking
[05:18] <bob2> Chetic: you put it where it should belong
[05:19] <toonx> bob2: makes sense, but what i dont get it is what there is no common support for something that has the same root
[05:19] <nayif> bob2, thanks but can you tell me more :) "a lot simpler" exp.
[05:19] <James-C> Has anyone got persistent home directories on a usb key with a Hoary Ubuntu live CD to work? re: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9893
[05:19] <Chetic> bob2, it IS where it belongs
[05:19] <bob2> Chetic: but if you're playing with the nvidia or ati binary modules, you won't be having much fun
[05:19] <jason> thanks mate
[05:19] <Chetic> bob2, please just tell me how
[05:19] <bob2> toonx: you're welcome to start providing it
[05:19] <bob2> Chetic: no
[05:19] <toonx> bob2: ;)
[05:19] <Seveas> Chetic, or add the folder where it is in to /etc/ld.so.conf
[05:19] <Chetic> Seveas, thank you
[05:19] <bob2> Chetic: just put it where it should belong
[05:19] <bob2> and you're going to break your computer doing things like this
[05:19] <Chetic> bob2, you tell me where it belongs if not /usr/lib
[05:19] <toonx> bob2: or if they are so different one from the other why does ubuntu repositories start with deb ?
[05:19] <jason> is anyone else scared about the "not raining" thing happening in ACT lately?
[05:20] <jason> its strange...
[05:20] <Seveas> Chetic, if it is in usr lib, you have another problem
[05:20] <bob2> Chetic: find / -name libGL.so
[05:20] <Seveas> because /usr/lib is already used...
[05:20] <bob2> jason: hah
[05:20] <toonx> bob2: no offense mate, im just asking some silly questions maybe
[05:20] <bob2> jason: some rain forecast for the weekend
[05:20] <bob2> toonx: you mean in /etc/apt/sources.list? because that's the format for sources.list.
[05:20] <jason> ah ok... that's great!!! cept its a weekend
[05:20] <bob2> ubuntu hasn't patched apt to change that
[05:20] <Chetic> Seveas, It's there but it's not in ld.so.conf
[05:21] <jason> but shouldnt matter anyways its exam week
[05:21] <Seveas> Chetic, /usr/lib doesn't have to be in ld.so.conf
[05:21] <BockBilbo> bob2, i have just installed ubutnu on the machine
[05:21] <Chetic> Seveas, Then why can't the applications find the file?
[05:21] <BockBilbo> and i still cant see the screen correctly
[05:21] <BockBilbo> Seveas, you told me to do cat /proc/cpuinfo
[05:21] <toonx> bob2: yes sources.list i ment, i see now .. there's now real answer
[05:22] <BockBilbo> but it doesnt say anything about the arch
[05:22] <jason> bob2: sorry mate i forgot why is it again you said the module wasnt compiled correctly? thanks
[05:22] <Seveas> BockBilbo, what do you mean with arch then..?
[05:22] <bob2> jason: because the kernel thinks it isn't a module
[05:22] <bob2> BockBilbo: yes, as I said, you will need to twiddle the X config to get it to work properly
[05:22] <bob2> toonx: the real answer is "Of course yo ucan use Debian packages on ubuntu, but you'll break if you don't know what you're doing."
[05:23] <bob2> jason: so, it works for me
[05:23] <BockBilbo> bob2, is there any tutorial about how to twidle it?
[05:23] <bob2> BockBilbo: first, find if you actually have a i915
[05:23] <toonx> bob2: thanks dude, that was what i wanted to know
[05:23] <jason> bob2 you in canberra now?
[05:23] <michael__> need help with firefox please. it crashes with the error  (Details: serial 104 error_code 8 request_code 147 minor_code 3), when visiting a page with flash content.. any indeas
[05:24] <BockBilbo> bob2, thats what im trying to do
[05:24] <BockBilbo> but not sure where to start from to know that
[05:24] <jason> you from perth? i have a friend there with same last name as you
[05:24] <bob2> BockBilbo: what does "lspci | grep VGA" print out?
[05:24] <bob2> jason: yeah, I'm at home
[05:24] <bob2> jason: no, no family in perht afaik
[05:24] <jason> you can install the module?
[05:24] <BockBilbo> hold on
[05:24] <bob2> jason: yes
[05:24] <bob2> jason: I downloaded it, compiled it, and ran "sudo insmod hello.ko"
[05:24] <jason> hmmm... am getting relly frustrated
[05:25] <bob2> hello: module license 'unspecified' taints kernel.
[05:25] <bob2> init_module: done
[05:25] <bob2> jason: maybe you built the kernel wrongly or such...it works fine with the default ubuntu kernel
[05:25] <graabein> how do i switch to a closer ubuntu repository mirror?
[05:25] <graabein> can i use uri: ftp.uninett.no/linux/ubuntu in synaptic repositories?
[05:25] <jason> could the problem be from make xconfig?
[05:26] <BockBilbo> bob2, : lscpi | grep VGA --> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc VT8378 [S3 UniChrome]  Integrated Video (rev 001)
[05:26] <bob2> jason: that's the kernel config, yes
[05:26] <bob2> BockBilbo: oh, suck
[05:26] <jason> sorry i remember i used make menuconfig
[05:26] <bob2> right
[05:26] <BockBilbo> bob2, i know it sucks
[05:26] <jason> and just "yes-ed" om in all options
[05:27] <Chetic> Why can't my GL applications find the libGL.so.1 file?
[05:27] <BockBilbo> this pc is ment to be a web server
[05:27] <BockBilbo> not for personal use
[05:27] <bob2> BockBilbo: it should work out of the box, tho
[05:27] <bob2> jason: erk
[05:27] <bob2> jason: well, if you boot the default ubuntu kernel, I think it will work
[05:27] <nayif> time to go
[05:27] <jason> ok thanks bob2
[05:27] <bob2> Chetic: why don't you just use the ubuntu packages?
[05:27] <BockBilbo> bob2, so... what might happen?
[05:28] <Chetic> bob2, They use older drivers which do not support my graphics card (PCI-E X800XL)
[05:28] <chocoIate> everytime i try to run "make xconfig" in my linux directory i get the following error : http://pastebot.nd.edu/1300
[05:28] <bob2> chocoIate: you don't need to compile a kernel for isdn drivers, btw
[05:28] <bob2> chocoIate: sudo aptitude install libqt3-mt-dev build-essential
[05:28] <chocoIate> well, i need to set some variables
[05:28] <Seveas> chocoIate, install libqt3-dev
[05:29] <chocoIate> ok thanks
[05:29] <bob2> I'd be surprised if you did have to set any variables
[05:29] <nayif> oh i have this on boot " waring : udevdb alraedy exit on the old /dev/! "
[05:29] <chocoIate> well dont be bob2, i'm just following the readme files that come accompained with the drivers
[05:29] <bob2> nayif: delete it from /dev/
[05:29] <chocoIate> this is my 3rd modem by the way :P
[05:29] <jason> where do i get a copy of that libqt3-dev?
[05:29] <bob2> chocoIate: the readme is probably wrong
[05:29] <bob2> jason: 01:28:43           bob2 | chocoIate: sudo aptitude install libqt3-mt-dev build-essential
[05:29] <chocoIate> i currently have 4 new modems
[05:30] <bob2> jason: that command will install it
[05:30] <Seveas> jason, through apt-get
[05:30] <jason> yse but i have to get a copy of libqt3-dev first before i apt-get rght?
[05:31] <bob2> no
[05:31] <bob2> apt-get goes and gets it off the intarweb for you
[05:31] <bob2> or the cd if you have that
[05:31] <jason> cant find it in install cd of ubuntu
[05:31] <bob2> it's probably not on the warty cd
[05:31] <bob2> I wonder if anyone took the warty cds I left in DCS a few months ago
[05:31] <Seveas> probably on no cd at all
[05:32] <mcmillan_33> hi guys. does anyone know how xmms-rep works? i would like to map some xmms shortcuts into my sawfish... can't figure it out.
[05:32] <jason> apt-get libqt3-dev is the syntax?
[05:32] <bob2> 01:29:56           bob2 | jason: 01:28:43           bob2 | chocoIate: sudo aptitude install libqt3-mt-dev build-essential
[05:32] <bob2> jason: that is the command to run
[05:32] <Daylighthater> q: How can I install ubuntu default with kde
[05:32] <Daylighthater> ??
[05:32] <Daylighthater> isntead of gnome
[05:32] <bob2> Daylighthater: get a kubuntu cd
[05:32] <mcmillan_33> download kubuntu @ daylighthater
[05:32] <Seveas> Daylighthater, sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop if you already have ubuntu installed
[05:33] <Seveas> otherwise do what the others said :)
[05:33] <bob2> mcmillan_33: I've used it in the past
[05:33] <graabein> how do i switch to a closer ubuntu repository mirror?
[05:33] <graabein> can i use uri: ftp.uninett.no/linux/ubuntu in synaptic repositories?
[05:33] <bob2> mcmillan_33: I'd just shell out to xmms-shell tho, nowadays
[05:33] <Daylighthater> k.. but I'm reinstalling ubuntu on my laptop now
[05:33] <bob2> graabein: edit /etc/apt/sources.list or edit it in synaptic
[05:33] <chocoIate> bob : http://pastebot.nd.edu/1301
[05:33] <Daylighthater> so it will be the apt-get theory I will folow
[05:33] <mcmillan_33> bob2: when i was on debian there was a different programm to handle it...can't remember but maybe it was xmms-shell
[05:33] <graabein> bob2, so ftp.* is okay?
[05:34] <mcmillan_33> bob2: can i pass commands directly to xmms-shell?
[05:34] <chocoIate> i just need to verify that those settings are correct as in the readme
[05:34] <bob2> graabein: I don't know what you mean
[05:34] <bob2> graabein: it is ok to use other mirror, tho, yes
[05:34] <jason> am getting E: Invalid operation libqt3-dev.deb with that command
[05:34] <TJORVEN> how do i unrar a splitted Rar archive???
[05:34] <Daylighthater> other questiong doe anybody know a desend driver fot ati, more exactly Rage Mobility M/P on a laptop
[05:34] <Seveas> jason, you forgot the install
[05:34] <nayif> bob2, delete what ? i dont find ! on dev
[05:34] <graabein> bob2, it's listed as a mirror site so i guess i can try it... thanks
[05:34] <SirGrok> I have a question: I have Ubuntu installed on my old ThinkPad and it isn't connected to the internet. ubuntu auto-detects the resolution as low (620x480 or something), but i want to manually bump thta up... How do I do this?
[05:34] <Seveas> sudo aptitude install ....
[05:35] <bob2> chocoIate: read /boot/config-2.6.10-5
[05:35] <Seveas> SirGrok, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:35] <bob2> nayif: ls -la /dev/
[05:35] <bob2> TJORVEN: unrar the rar file and it will get the other bits as needed
[05:35] <Daylighthater> cause the ati driver delivered with the installation isn't sufficiant and the fglrx driver is to new for that graphics card :s
[05:35] <bob2> jason: no, run the exact command I said
[05:35] <bob2> mcmillan_33: yes
[05:35] <bob2> graabein: sure
[05:35] <TJORVEN> bob2, just says failed
[05:36] <bob2> TJORVEN: perhaps you need unrar-nonfree then
[05:36] <SirGrok> Seveas, thanks. I will go try that.
[05:36] <mcmillan_33> bobs2 do you know how off hand?
[05:36] <bob2> mcmillan_33: er, echo blah | xmms-shell
[05:36] <Daylighthater> I've been looking for three weeks now for a solution, but the only thing that "solved" my screen problem was vesa, and that isn't really a solution
[05:37] <nayif> bob2, oh i found .udevdb "thanks :)" is this what i shoud to delete ?
[05:37] <bob2> nayif: hrm
[05:37] <nayif> hrm ?
[05:37] <TJORVEN> bob2. what's that?
[05:37] <bob2> TJORVEN: another version of the unrar command
[05:37] <jason> sorry for the following.. i had these sample of errors from apt-get install lib***
[05:37] <jason>   libqt3-dev: Depends: xlibs-static-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4) but it is not installable
[05:37] <jason>               Depends: libxext-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4) but it is not installable              Depends: libxrandr-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4) but it is not installable
[05:37] <jason>               Depends: x-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4) bu
[05:38] <TJORVEN> bob2, ok is there a apt-get?
[05:38] <bob2> TJORVEN: yes, it's in multiverse
[05:38] <bob2> jason: er
[05:38] <TJORVEN> bob2, thanks
[05:38] <bob2> jason: you're not using ubuntu
[05:38] <chocoIate> bob2 : is libqt3-dev avaialbe online where i can download it :o
[05:38] <jason> you mean kernel?
[05:38] <bob2> jason: your system is Debian, not Ubuntu
[05:38] <jason> im quite sure am using ubuntu
[05:39] <mcmillan_33> bob2 cheers.
[05:39] <bob2> oh
[05:39] <bob2> you're using warty
[05:39] <encKe`> anyone here have Novell Client for Linux?
[05:39] <bob2> chocoIate: you *still* have no network access?
[05:40] <chocoIate> nope, i'm trying to my current new modem
[05:40] <Raskall> is there a known problem with flashplayer in ubuntu? normal text isn't displayed in flash-things.
[05:40] <chocoIate> plus i ordered two new ones
[05:40] <jason> yes warty and kernel 2.6.8.1
[05:40] <bob2> jason: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood, not to here
[05:40] <chocoIate> the last order i made is an isdn router that way i wont have to deal with drivers :P
[05:41] <jason> sorry how do you do that when you repply to me your nick is highlighted in yellow...
[05:41] <jason> just wanna make it easier for you to see my reply
[05:41] <chocoIate> however it takes time to arrive, so in the meantime i want to try and fix what i have if i can :P
[05:41] <bob2> jason: I start lines with your nick, and your client makes it yellow
[05:41] <chocoIate> all these bullshit modems claim they work in linux and claim they have drivers but have only build packages for suse or redhat :/
[05:42] <chocoIate> and bad documentation
[05:42] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> no dsl in your area or line of sight wireless ?
[05:42] <jason> bob2: like now... do you get yellow?
[05:42] <bob2> jason: well, red, but same deal ;)
[05:42] <chocoIate> no dsl, no broadband, only ISDN dialup
[05:43] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> well new r`thing is wireless like panaband and others
[05:43] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> my moms got one
[05:43] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> she lives middle of BFE
[05:43] <chocoIate> the latest modem i purchased was a fritz!card usb isdn and they claimed to have unsupported drivers for linux
[05:44] <jason> bob2 i just pasted it to #flood
[05:44] <bob2> jason: so
[05:44] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> chocoIate : where abouts do you live ?
[05:44] <bob2> jason: I know you pay tons of money for bandwidth, but you do need to download some stuff
[05:44] <chocoIate> i purchased and tried to compile the driver and it dont work, i just end up with tons of erros and all the documentation is in german
[05:44] <nayif> bob2, thanks a lot , now i will gone to reboot my sys to test it thanks again
[05:44] <jason> ok which one?
[05:44] <bob2> nayif: np
[05:44] <jason> bob2 ok which do i have to d/l? thanks
[05:45] <chocoIate> suburbs of italy, remote area where there is no braodband/dsl coverage :P
[05:45] <jason> man i cant thank you enough... :-)
[05:45] <bob2> jason: uncomment (remove the # character) from the "# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted" line, then add the word "universe" at the end (no quotes)
[05:45] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> ahh wild they dont have wireless towers :}
[05:45] <JovenComunista> how can i change the size of the linux partition?
[05:45] <jason> am sorry which do i need to download?
[05:46] <chocoIate> bob2 : any help for me, a link to an online download of the libqt-dev package :P
[05:46] <JovenComunista> i have 4 partitions... 2 fat32,  swap  and the linux partition
[05:46] <bob2> jason: edit the file like I said
[05:46] <lleberg> I'm at some relatives, and am using their computer..
[05:46] <bob2> chocoIate: packages.ubuntu.com/libqt3-mt-dev
[05:46] <lleberg> i'm*
[05:46] <bob2> chocoIate: but it probably depends on lots of stuff
[05:46] <wm_eddie> JovenComunista, parted can do it.
[05:46] <JovenComunista> parted?
[05:46] <chocoIate> i hope not bob2
[05:46] <lleberg> it's a pentium II cpu with win 98 from IBM
[05:46] <lleberg> would ubuntu work better? ;=
[05:47] <wm_eddie> JovenComunista, Try installing gparted
[05:47] <Chetic> Why can't any application find the libGL.so.1 file?!
[05:47] <JovenComunista> ok... i'll try
[05:47] <JovenComunista> :) thanx
[05:47] <wm_eddie> lleberg, I run ubuntu Warty on a PII that came with WindowsNT
[05:47] <bob2> Chetic: presumably you're putting it in the wrong place
[05:47] <bob2> Chetic: I did tell you how to find the correct place, tho
[05:47] <lleberg> wm_eddie: Oh
[05:47] <IcemanV9> lleberg: yes. you could have brought livecd to test it! :)
[05:48] <Chetic> bob2, Then I must have missed that. I never put it anywhere, it was all done automatically.
[05:48] <jason> bob2 i just edited it... universe is already at the end however....
[05:48] <lleberg> wm_eddie: But on the other hand they probably won't let me do that anyway, paranoid suckers :(
[05:48] <bob2> jason: show me the whole line (in here)
[05:48] <chocoIate> brb
[05:48] <bob2> Chetic: then why do you think it's not finding it?
[05:48] <jason> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[05:48] <jason> bob2
[05:48] <wm_eddie> paranoid and Windows 98...
[05:48] <lleberg> And now, i got to go!
[05:48] <lleberg> Heya
[05:48] <Chetic> bob2, I have no idea whatsoever, I don't have the same experience as others
[05:48] <lleberg> wm_eddie: fabric-settings-paranoid
[05:49] <bob2> Chetic: so why do you think there is a problem?
[05:49] <bob2> jason: did you uncomment this line, too: 01:43:34          jason |  # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[05:49] <lleberg> IBM knows best, and so on
[05:49] <bob2> ?
[05:49] <jason> did you guys see the english hacker arrested in the states? :-)
[05:49] <deathwing> hello im glenn and new to ubuntu
[05:49] <Chetic> bob2, Because the ATi installer doesn't do it right?
[05:49] <bob2> Chetic: I don't know what that means
[05:49] <r0bby__> jason, where was this?
[05:49] <bob2> Chetic: or why you think yhat
[05:50] <deathwing> im a php programmer and migrating to ubuntu
[05:50] <r0bby__> ??
[05:50] <Chetic> bob2, I don't know why! Why won't you help me?
[05:50] <deathwing> ive used fedora and mandrake but ubuntus the best for me so far
[05:50] <r0bby__> ok...
[05:50] <jason> robby__ have a look at cnn
[05:50] <bob2> Chetic: because you're making no sense at all
[05:50] <Balthazar> Is there anyway to have some persistant data stay around when using the live cd?  either by accessing the hd, or a USB key or some such.  I want to play around with subversion, and would like to get away with not doing a full install if I can.
[05:50] <jason> he hacked at like whos who of the us agencies
[05:50] <bob2> Chetic: why do you think there is a problem at all?
[05:50] <bob2> Chetic: you had a libGL to begin with
[05:51] <jason> he's got a really huge problem now tho
[05:51] <wm_eddie> deathwing, Ubuntu does that.
[05:51] <deathwing> could anyone advise me with a good editor that runs on ubunt
[05:51] <jason> bob2 i just did
[05:51] <bob2> jason: cool
[05:51] <r0bby__> ew and he's butt ugly
[05:51] <bob2> jason: now run "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev"
[05:51] <deathwing> eddie, what does ubuntu do?
[05:51] <Chetic> bob2, Yeah, I still have libGL files, it makes no sense that they can't be found by the applications
[05:51] <bob2> Chetic: lord
[05:52] <mark2> does anybody know a FTP-tool for Ubuntu, I have already vsftpd
[05:52] <wm_eddie> deathwing, put other distros to shame
[05:52] <bob2> Chetic: so, what you really mean is "When I run a program that uses GL, I get an error from ld saying "unable to find libGL.so" or something"?
[05:52] <r0bby__> ew
[05:52] <jason> sorry i made a mistake there is no such last line you referred to,.
[05:52] <jason> but it has this
[05:52] <jason> bob2: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[05:52] <deathwing> hehehe ur right, it detected all my hardware and it was easy configuring my internet connection
[05:52] <jason> is that what you wanted to uncomment as well?
[05:52] <r0bby__> he gains access to american govt computers...but expects the us govt to sit on thair hands?
[05:52] <deathwing> eddie are u a programmer
[05:52] <toxicfume> hi all
[05:52] <Chetic> bob2, I don't know if ld is saying it but yes, I get an error like that
[05:52] <r0bby__> he must be smoking crack
[05:53] <wm_eddie> deathwing, yup
[05:53] <toxicfume> can someone here help me configure kismet on kubuntu?
[05:53] <jason> bob2 still there?
[05:53] <bob2> jason: yes
[05:53] <bob2> jason: I have no idea what you've done now
[05:53] <_kevin> I want to completley remove OpenOffice 1.13 and I want to download and install the new OpenOffice 1.9.+ Beta, How would i go about doing this?
[05:53] <jason> bob2 something tells me i should save our convo for future ref
[05:53] <deathwing> i am wondering, what is a good choice for an editor for ubuntu, because in windows i use maguma studio
[05:53] <mark2> does anybody know a FTP-tool for Ubuntu, I have already vsftpd ????????????
[05:53] <_kevin> Synaptic?
[05:53] <bob2> jason: paste the whole file to #flood again
[05:53] <bob2> mark2: please stop it
[05:53] <Seveas> mark2, as a server you mean>
[05:54] <jason> bob2 aw wait now i get you...
[05:54] <deathwing> i am using screem now but maybe there is a better editor
[05:54] <mark2> yes as a server
[05:54] <wm_eddie> mark2, ProFTPD.
[05:54] <Seveas> then vsftpd is the best, so you're set already :)
[05:54] <Seveas> wm_eddie, Priftpd is about the least secure there is...
[05:54] <wm_eddie> deathwing, I use Emacs mostly.
[05:54] <mark2> thx eddie, i will look after
[05:54] <r0bby__> what an idiot
[05:54] <Seveas> deathwing, vim :)
[05:55] <Seveas> r0bby, please keep it nice nere
[05:55] <r0bby__> hack us military computers, be charged under our legal system
[05:55] <r0bby__> plain and simple
[05:55] <deathwing> ok ill try it, and proftd sounds good cause i use gftp
[05:55] <r0bby__> no
[05:55] <r0bby__> I was referring to this: http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/06/08/hacking.extradition/index.html
[05:55] <deathwing> wait ill install emacs, vim and proftd
[05:55] <Seveas> r0bby, then leave.,,
[05:55] <r0bby__> not any one person here
[05:55] <bob2> r0bby__: #politics
[05:55] <r0bby__> ah
[05:55] <r0bby__> sry
[05:55] <wm_eddie> deathwing, Why proftpd?
[05:55] <jason> i've flooded now... have a look
[05:56] <deathwing> well for ftp ill try it, just see what it does
[05:56] <bob2> jason: ok, that's fine now
[05:56] <deathwing> eddie are u a php programmer as well
[05:56] <bob2> jason: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev
[05:56] <jason> ok ill run the commands you be here still?
[05:57] <wm_eddie> I've done php, but I mostly do Python, C#, and C.
[05:57] <Balthazar>  Is there anyway to have some persistant data stay around when using the live cd?  either by accessing the hd, or a USB key or some such.  I want to play around with subversion, and would like to get away with not doing a full install if I can.
[05:57] <rabo> buenas
[05:57] <deathwing> wow phyton, like c++ in windows
[05:57] <bob2> Balthazar: you can use subversion on windows and mac os
[05:57] <jason> bob2 am removing the sudo since im in sudo -s shell
[05:57] <bob2> Balthazar: but yes, you can store things on a usb key or whatever
[05:58] <wm_eddie> deathwing, ?
[05:58] <bob2> deathwing: python isn't anything like C++
[05:58] <deathwing> well, im more into c++ hehehe but more familiar with pphp
[05:58] <rabo> alguien me podria facilitar unos repositorios deb, para la ubuntu hoary ??
[05:58] <Seveas> jason, in a sudo -s shell you can still use sudo
[05:58] <deathwing> oh i must be mistaken, i think its perl im talking about
[05:58] <Seveas> jason, by the way: better use sudo -i instead of sudo -s
[05:58] <Balthazar> bob2, Yes, but the svn server I plan on implementing on Linux.  I just want to mess with it so I don't break a live system
[05:58] <wm_eddie> rabo, deb  http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[05:58] <Seveas> rabo, va en #ubuntu-es por espaol
[05:58] <bob2> deathwing: perl is even less like C++
[05:58] <IcemanV9> perl != C++
[05:58] <bob2> Balthazar: ok
[05:58] <jason> ok will do... please have a look at flood
[05:59] <deathwing> i saw perl scripting looks more like c++
[05:59] <Seveas> deathwing, ehm....
[05:59] <_kevin> I want to completley remove OpenOffice 1.13 and I want to download and install the new OpenOffice 1.9.+ Beta, How would i go about doing this? Synaptic?
[05:59] <Seveas> perl is nothing like c++
[05:59] <Xnalz> hmm got a question
[05:59] <bob2> _kevin: er, you know openoffice 2 is in hoary, right?
[05:59] <Seveas> Xnalz, just ask :)
[05:59] <bob2> jason: that is bizaare
[05:59] <_kevin> no
[05:59] <Xnalz> ok
[05:59] <_kevin> i have hoary
[06:00] <jason> bob2 please have a look at flood i got those same errors
[06:00] <Xnalz> so installing
[06:00] <jason> bob2 you think its better to just do a fresh install of hoary?
[06:00] <Xnalz> got through tage one
[06:00] <jason> what do you think?
[06:00] <Xnalz> *stage one
[06:00] <rsilva> Hello. I am trying to compile some Fortran 77 code that uses the blas library. I have the library installed (using atlas) and there is a file named /usr/lib/libblas.so.3. Howeer, g77 complains that it can't find -lblas library. What may be wrong?
[06:00] <Seveas> _kevin, aptitude install openoffice.org2
[06:00] <deathwing> well im not familiar with perl and phyton hehehe
[06:00] <bob2> jason: yes, I know, that is bizarre
[06:00] <deathwing> but ive seen perl scripting
[06:00] <jason> bob2 what's your exact Ubuntu config?
[06:00] <synd> radeon
[06:00] <Chetic> Somebody help, I've installed the new ATi drivers and everything seems to work except GL applications which give me this error: "glxgears: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[06:00] <bob2> jason: hoary
[06:00] <Xnalz> but after the reboot everything is fine then when it starts to rebuild dependency tree everything freezes
[06:00] <deathwing> beggining and ending brackets looks the same
[06:00] <bob2> Chetic: ask on the mailing list
[06:00] <bob2> Chetic: and mention everything you've done so far
[06:00] <_kevin> will it install over the 1.13, i don't want space to be used up by haveing two versions installed
[06:00] <bob2> _kevin: then install it
[06:01] <wm_eddie> deathwing, Python is pretty cool.  and Ruby is beautiful.  You should learn one.
[06:01] <jason> default hoary runs 2.6.8.1 kernel?
[06:01] <bob2> _kevin: so remove openoffice 1 if you don't want it
[06:01] <Xnalz> it goes to the please wait.... and then eventually everything turns black
[06:01] <bob2> jason: no, 2.6.10
[06:01] <jason> bob2 default hoary runs 2.6.8.1 kernel?
[06:01] <_kevin> bob2 that was my question HOW?
[06:01] <jason> its all backward compatible right?
[06:01] <bob2> _kevin: dude
[06:01] <deathwing> ill try phyton but it looks difficult, now im in php because of web programming
[06:01] <bob2> _kevin: chill out
[06:01] <bob2> _kevin: how do you normally install and remove things?
[06:01] <jason> bob2 so i should be able to do the labs in hoary?
[06:01] <deathwing> ive done some websites using php and pg sql
[06:01] <_kevin> i don't
[06:01] <Xnalz> I have tried 4 different burned cds, and 2 different downloads
[06:01] <bob2> deathwing: python is simple if you know how to program in anything
[06:01] <wm_eddie> deathwing, I use python for web programming
[06:01] <Xnalz> nothing is working
[06:01] <_kevin> i install with apt-get
[06:01] <bob2> _kevin: you've never ever removed or installed a package?
[06:01] <rsilva> deathwing: Actually Python is well known for being easy for beginers.
[06:01] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> <---  2.6.10-5
[06:02] <_kevin> fromt he ubuntu guide
[06:02] <bob2> _kevin: so, use apt-get to remove it
[06:02] <_kevin> i never uninstalled anything
[06:02] <bob2> jason: sure
[06:02] <wm_eddie> python is super easy.  Ruby not as much.
[06:02] <bob2> jason: you won't be able to transfer binaries from hoary to warty, but your source should certainly compile
[06:02] <deathwing> well but most of the opensource projects i download and use is written in php
[06:02] <_kevin> i need the name of the package to remove it
[06:02] <Chetic> ...
[06:02] <jason> bob2: did you get hoary from mirror.aarnet?
[06:02] <deathwing> for example phpbb and php chat
[06:02] <bob2> Chetic: which bit of that was confusing?
[06:02] <bob2> jason: from au.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:02] <deathwing> most of the websites use php
[06:02] <bob2> which is, amusingly, in england
[06:03] <Chetic> bob2, leave me alone, you're just being a bastard
[06:03] <deathwing> but ill take ur advise and try phyton
[06:03] <bob2> Chetic: dude
[06:03] <jason> shees this is gonna cost me a lot of money :-
[06:03] <Xnalz> guess no one knows...?
[06:03] <bob2> Chetic: please stop playing the victim
[06:03] <jason> bob2 shees this is gonna cost me a lot of money :-\
[06:03] <deathwing> it thought phyton was used to create programs in linux
[06:03] <wm_eddie> Python is good for Desktop programming.
[06:03] <bob2> Chetic: I'm suggetsing another place to ask, since it seems no one here knows
[06:03] <IcemanV9> _kevin: use synaptic if you're not sure; it's fairly easy.
[06:03] <Heart|> wm_eddie: could you paste a site from you which is written in python?
[06:03] <bob2> deathwing: it runs well on windows, too
[06:03] <deathwing> of course
[06:03] <_kevin> Thanks IcemanV9
[06:03] <deathwing> did u write it yourself
[06:03] <bob2> er, no
[06:03] <Seveas> bob2, some people cannot take advice and do not appreciate help or directions they did not expect :)
[06:04] <bob2> jason: yeah, I know
[06:04] <wm_eddie> deathwing, A lot of programs are written in python.
[06:04] <bob2> jason: what odd things have you done to apt on that machine?
[06:04] <maruko`> yey normally apt-get asks me "Do you want to continue [Y/n] ?" before it downloads and install the package
[06:04] <goldfish> yeah
[06:04] <deathwing> could paste a sample of one sight
[06:04] <bob2> jason: like, pointed it at debian.anu or something?
[06:04] <maruko`> but how do i stop it from asking me?
[06:04] <jason> i ahve no idea
[06:04] <bob2> deathwing: you want to know of one site that is written in python?
[06:04] <goldfish> maruko`: it usually does if its a big download
[06:04] <deathwing> id like to see one sight writen in phyton
[06:04] <Seveas> marcin_ant, apt-get -y
[06:04] <IcemanV9> _kevin: i used synaptic to uninstall openoffice.org, then install openoffice.org 2; it works just fine on my box
[06:04] <jason> bob2 i ahve no idea
[06:04] <wm_eddie> Heart|, http://wm-eddie.info the Main Page, About Me page, and a couple of non public ones are written in Python using Spyce and Apache mod_python
[06:04] <bob2> maruko`: give it the -y option
[06:04] <Xnalz> everytime I try to install ubuntu, after installing for 45-50min it freezes, any idea what might be wrong?
[06:04] <Seveas> maruko`, apt-get -y
[06:04] <maruko`> thanks!
[06:04] <bob2> deathwing: http://launchpad.ubuntu.com/
[06:04] <Seveas> or yes | apt-get
[06:04] <jason> bob2 its just a fresh install so not much
[06:05] <bob2> it's a huge bloody hunk of python
[06:05] <_kevin> when i goto remove openoffice 1.13 using Synaptic It has in one of the thigns to remove ubuntu-desktop, is this okay?
[06:05] <Seveas> www.ubuntulinux.org too
[06:05] <bob2> _kevin: yes, but you will have problems when you upgrade to breezy
[06:05] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: disable acpi - it's still buggy
[06:05] <wm_eddie> deathwing, If you've ever heard of Zope, it's written in python.
[06:05] <Seveas> it's plone/sope/python
[06:05] <bob2> _so make a note somewhere that you've done this
[06:05] <Seveas> zope*
[06:05] <Xnalz> iceman: how do I do that?
[06:05] <deathwing> aha like webmin
[06:05] <bob2> IcemanV9: it's not buggy in general, just on some hardware...
[06:05] <deathwing> https
[06:05] <bob2> deathwing: no, not at all like webmin
[06:06] <bob2> deathwing: webmin is the only other https site you've seen?
[06:06] <bob2> jason: you can't think of anything?
[06:06] <deathwing> oh ok
[06:06] <IcemanV9> bob2: ur right. i didn't add to it. :)
[06:06] <jason> nothing comes to mind
[06:06] <jason> bob2 nothing comes to mind
[06:06] <Heart|> wm_eddie: thx, didn't see python sites yet...
[06:06] <_kevin> i have to re-install ubuntu-desktop after i un-install openoffice 1.13
[06:06] <jason> bob2 is installing hoary as easy as installing warty?
[06:06] <wm_eddie> Heart|, The Ubuntu website is python powered.
[06:06] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: type 'boot acpi=off' at bootup .. if i could recall
[06:06] <Xnalz> icemanu9: how do I disable acpi?
[06:07] <bob2> jason: easier
[06:07] <Xnalz> iceman: ok umm do I need to be in recovery mode?
[06:07] <bob2> _kevin: no, that won't work
[06:07] <deathwing> wait, eddie has ubuntu have support for webmin, because ive installed webmin in ubuntu but i think its no fully supported yet
[06:07] <_kevin> ok bob2
[06:07] <bob2> webmin will never be fully supported by anyone
[06:07] <wm_eddie> I don't know about webmin
[06:07] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: wait a minute. did you said that you're trying to install or you already have it installed?
[06:07] <jason> bob2 great so after installing hoary what else do i need to install i.e like the kernel source etc.
[06:08] <bob2> jason: yeah
[06:08] <Xnalz> iceman: trying to install
[06:08] <deathwing> but atleast more support for webmin, because webmin is mostly used for remote server maintenance
[06:08] <bob2> jason: you really don't need to compile your own kernel
[06:08] <bob2> deathwing: serious admins really don't use webmin
[06:08] <bob2> webmin's like a stepping stone to knowing how to do things yourself
[06:08] <wm_eddie> deathwing, That's not Ubuntu's target audience...
[06:08] <jason> bob2 i mean to be able to compile kernel and install modules and stuff
[06:08] <Xnalz> iceman: I have done multiple downloads and have tried multiple burns nothing seems to work
[06:08] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: ah. ok. just do as i just said earlier. no need to go to recovery mode. :)
[06:08] <deathwing> well ok, im beggining to understand
[06:09] <bob2> jason: I do not have the kernel source installed, and I compiled the module fine :-)
[06:09] <jason> bob2 i dont need to?
[06:09] <Xnalz> iceman: is that with the cd in?
[06:09] <bob2> jason: you only need the kernel source for the "modifying the kernel" bits
[06:09] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: make sure you use md5sum to make sure it's not corrupted
[06:09] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: yes.
[06:09] <bob2> jason: for the modules (which is like 80% of the course), you can use the default kernel
[06:09] <Xnalz> iceman: not sure how to do that, use md5sum?
[06:09] <jason> bob2 yea that's what i need to do the lab1 4 and 5 requires so
[06:09] <deathwing> do you know where i can get good documentation for ubutu or linux, cause im still using my old book, fedore core one book
[06:09] <Chetic_> How do I check what driver X is currently using?
[06:10] <deathwing> that fedora is a disaster always hangs
[06:10] <wm_eddie> the Ubuntu wiki is pretty good.
[06:10] <wm_eddie> or ubuntuforums
[06:10] <bob2> jason: well, yeah, you compile it for those bits, then reboot into the normal one
[06:10] <bob2> jason: anyway, you can just use "make menuconfig" to configure the kernel
[06:10] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: you mentioned that you have done lots of download & burning. it is quite possible that the iso file is bad. best way to check it is use md5sum.
[06:10] <jason> bob2 sorry for this question but i have to because i have to decide if i need to reinstall the whole os
[06:10] <bob2> I'll go dump some hoary cds for DCS sometime
[06:10] <deathwing> ill try it, thanks
[06:10] <bartekp> Chetic_: check Xorg log or read xorg.conf
[06:10] <Chetic_> bartekp, where's the log located?
[06:10] <jason> bob2 so you havent tweaked the hoary install and the modules installed fine?
[06:11] <bob2> jason: yup
[06:11] <Xnalz> iceman: yes, but how do i check (sorry total newb to linux)
[06:11] <bob2> jason: the key is installing the "linux-headers-2.6.10-5" package, which contains just the bits of the source needed to compile modules
[06:11] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: yes, when the splash screen shows up, just type 'boot acpi=off'
[06:11] <bartekp> Chetic_: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:11] <bob2> jason: where did you get a preview cd from, btw?
[06:11] <bob2> eric?
[06:12] <deathwing> so eddie do you know what ubuntu has to offer nextg
[06:12] <Xnalz> iceman: did that and it said could not find kernal image: boot
[06:12] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: type 'md5sum <filename>'
[06:12] <wm_eddie> deathwing, what do you mean?
[06:13] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: hold .. let me boot on other box
[06:13] <jason> bob2 what preview cd?
[06:13] <Xnalz> iceman: k
[06:13] <deathwing> well i mean, new software, enhancement extra stuff, new anything
[06:13] <jason> bob2 so hoary is using kernel 2.6.10
[06:13] <bob2> jason: the cd you installed from claims to be a warty preview cd
[06:13] <bob2> jason: yes
[06:13] <desrt> wm_eddie; how far along are you?
[06:13] <JovenComunista> how can i resize the linux partition?... i used gparted an qtparted but doesn't work... just for the fat and swap partition
[06:13] <jason> yes from mirror.aarnet.edu.au
[06:13] <jason> bob2 yes from mirror.aarnet.edu.au
[06:13] <bob2> ah
[06:13] <JovenComunista> :/
[06:14] <jason> bo2 bad site?
[06:14] <bob2> no
[06:14] <bob2> you just installed a beta version of the previous version of ubuntu
[06:14] <wm_eddie> Well Jb Even got something that works, and wanted someone else to make it use GConf, and have a password dialog.  I'm done with the GConf stuff.
[06:14] <goldfish> lol
[06:14] <wm_eddie> I'm working with the dialogs.
[06:14] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: sorry, my fault. bad memory :) type 'linux acpi=off'
[06:14] <desrt> oh.  so you're quite far, then.  ok :)
[06:15] <deathwing> who among you has an a4 tech usb cam
[06:15] <Xnalz> Iceman: ok
[06:15] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: it had happened on my other box many times. surprised that i didn't remember the correct syntax.
[06:15] <jason> bob2 thanks... see ya mate
[06:15] <Xnalz> iceman: it is reinstalling again, should it be doing thata?
[06:16] <jason> bob2 take it easy on the exams
[06:16] <jason> bob2 i meant goodluck :-)
[06:16] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: yes
[06:16] <deathwing> eddie do you know how i can, make my webcam run on ubuntu?
[06:16] <bob2> jason: heh, np
[06:16] <Xnalz> iceman : ok thanks *crosses fingers* hope it works lol got xp disc ready if it doesn't:)
[06:17] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: it should work .. put xp disc away, plz :P
[06:17] <wm_eddie> I don't know, but I'm sure there's more info on it (maybe some howtos) on the gnome-meeting web-site or something..
[06:17] <bob2> jason: you too
[06:17] <Xnalz> iceman : lol kk:)
[06:17] <toxicfume> i get an error saying unable to find libncurses or libcurses when trying to compile kismet, how do i fix that? anyone?
[06:18] <deathwing> i hope they incoporate sound and video in gaim
[06:18] <deathwing> and well, do use postgres sql or mysql
[06:19] <wm_eddie> deathwing, The Gaim developers have expressed many times that they will not officially support it.  Ever.
[06:19] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: a hint - use tab key to complete the nickname (tap the tab key until the correct nickname shows up)
[06:19] <Sionide> what can i use to play .m4a files? :/
[06:19] <bartekp> toxicfume: apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[06:19] <bob2> Sionide: mplayer can, as can xmms with xmms-m4a
[06:19] <bob2> thotypous: you know kismet is in ubuntu already, right?
[06:19] <Sionide> tried mplayer and it hung
[06:19] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: oh wow so much easier thank yas:)
[06:19] <Sionide> tried xmms, didn't like it either
[06:20] <toxicfume> bartekp: oka, thanks :)
[06:20] <deathwing> wow sad, how come?
[06:20] <IcemanV9> heh :)
[06:20] <thotypous> aews
[06:20] <unit3_> hi all
[06:20] <Xabbu|>  Sionide, Have you tried beep media player?
[06:20] <bob2> Sionide: you need to install xmms-m4a, of course
[06:20] <bob2> Xabbu|: it can't play m4a either
[06:21] <rayen> us.archive.ubuntu.com = slow?
[06:21] <wm_eddie> deathwing, I'm sure they have their reasons.
[06:21] <unit3_> anyone else other than my experiencing this problem: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=40412
[06:21] <unit3_> ?
[06:21] <Xabbu|> bob2, Okey
[06:21] <ABPSoft> bye folks - and thanks for rounding up cloop so it works with dm-snapshot
[06:21] <unit3_> erm other than me even
[06:21] <Kartagis> hello. although I set up a virtual server for port 25 on my router, I can't telnet it. how come? any ideas?
[06:21] <unit3_> If anyone can help me get my system booting again, I'd really appreciate it. :(
[06:21] <deathwing> by the way eddie, asl, glenn, m, philippines
[06:22] <bob2> unit3_: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1" print out?
[06:22] <shido> kumusta ka (sp?)
[06:22] <wm_eddie> I'm Eddie, m, Puerto Rico :)
[06:22] <unit3_> ii  libc6          2.3.5-1ubuntu4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone
[06:22] <bob2> so
[06:22] <deathwing> puerto rico, spanish?
[06:22] <bob2> you're using breezy
[06:22] <bob2> or "backports"
[06:22] <bob2> welcome to Pain Country
[06:23] <wm_eddie> I can kind of speak spanish.  I should speak it better though.
[06:23] <unit3_> No, I just have a couple of packages I installed from Breezy to get mplayer working.
[06:23] <bob2> there you go
[06:23] <unit3_> 99.99% of the system is hoary.
[06:23] <bob2> includeing breezy's libc6
[06:23] <bob2> that doesn't matter
[06:23] <bob2> you upgraded the most essential library on your system to the version in breezy
[06:23] <bob2> which doesn't work with hoary kernels
[06:23] <bob2> you have to downgrade things now
[06:23] <deathwing> lol, i want to learn more about ubuntu and know the in, outs, configuration etc. where should i start if im a newbie
[06:23] <bob2> (by hand)
[06:23] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hey bob2 why does the new debian installer look like ubuntu installer ?
[06:24] <bob2> Pop_pa_FrEaK: er, because the ubuntu installer is the same thing?
[06:24] <unit3_> Strange that it didn't break it when I actually did that upgrade weeks ago, it only broke it once I installed the newest kernels.
[06:24] <bob2> Pop_pa_FrEaK: ubuntu took the dexisting debian installer and modified it a little
[06:24] <bob2> unit3_: yes
[06:24] <goldfish> deathwing: use it :)
[06:24] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ahhh ok
[06:24] <wm_eddie> deathwing, Just use it.
[06:24] <goldfish> wm_eddie: snap.
[06:24] <bob2> unit3_: you need to downgrade libc6 to hoary's version, by hand
[06:24] <unit3_> In any case, shouldn't there be some APT command to say "force all package versions to the hoary ones"?
[06:24] <wm_eddie> deathwing, Whenever you face something you don't know, google it.
[06:24] <bob2> no
[06:25] <bob2> it's called "don't install things from breezy"
[06:25] <goldfish> lol
[06:25] <bob2> it will break things, btw
[06:25] <bob2> so you need to remove whatever it was you installed from breezy
[06:25] <deathwing> hehehe sounds exiting, yeah i always go to for google for help lol
[06:25] <bob2> also, you don't need anything from breezy to get mplayer to work
[06:25] <bob2> deathwing: using it and hanging out here or on the mailing lists is a good way to learn lots
[06:25] <wm_eddie> deathwing, Although, we should all be working hard to make sure that nobody has to read a book to use Ubuntu.
[06:26] <bob2> deathwing: plus, then you get to learn from *other people's* mistakes, instead of having to make them yourself ;p
[06:26] <deathwing> yeah, but for a newbie a have to learn linux basics and i have been studying for a month now, if i have free time after work
[06:27] <unit3_> Oh I know what it was, not mplayer, but Firefox.
[06:27] <unit3_> I got stuff from Breezy so I could have a not-bug-ridden version of Firefox. :P
[06:27] <bob2> 1.0.2 works fine for tens of thousands of people
[06:27] <bob2> regardless, you won't be able to boot until you downgrade to hoary's libc, or get a breezy kernel
[06:27] <bob2> maybe they're usable now
[06:27] <unit3_> Sure, but it certainly has security holes.
[06:27] <unit3_> Meh, I'll just go back to the hoary stuff.
[06:28] <unit3_> And I guess I'll build Firefox from source in the mean time.
[06:28] <bob2> er, no, it doesn't have security holes
[06:28] <bob2> the fixes from 1.0.4 are in the ubuntu 1.0.2 packages
[06:28] <unit3_> Ahhhhh
[06:28] <deathwing> well im confortable with ubutu and its the best distro ive used, better than mandrake, fedora and suse
[06:28] <unit3_> That wasn't apparent to me.
[06:28] <bob2> it's how ubuntu and debian work, *shrug*
[06:28] <deathwing> fedora is the worst ive used, very unstable
[06:29] <unit3_> deathwing: no doubt!
[06:29] <unit3_> Now I'm just left to wonder why I can't tell apt to just downgrade everything to the latest versions it knows about from the given sources...
[06:29] <unit3_> That seems like something APT should do.
[06:29] <bob2> because downgrades aren't supported
[06:29] <mz2> how do i install an older version of a package with apt-get?
[06:30] <bob2> e.g., packages sometimes migrate config files when you upgrade
[06:30] <rrittenhouse> I built a kiosk out of ubuntu and I want to take it from wired and go to wireless and I wanted to make sure i get a good wifi card for this cause. Im not sure what is more compatible or what would work in a metal case better..a usb wifi nic or a pci wifi nic.. does anyone know whats very compatible with the kiosks?
[06:30] <bob2> doing that in reverse may not be possible
[06:30] <bob2> mz2: what are you trying to do?
[06:30] <unit3_> Fair enough, but if I know that that isn't going to happen, there still should be a way to do it, even if you have to force it.
[06:30] <bob2> sure, you can of course force it
[06:30] <wm_eddie> rrittenhouse, I hear  prism54 or prism2 cards are great.
[06:30] <deathwing> hehehe im looking forward to it and ill make myself more familiar with it hehehe, and thanks for the free cd they shipped out, wow 10 cds hehehe
[06:30] <we2by> is there an image editing program simplerer than gimp?
[06:31] <rrittenhouse> wm_eddie: do you know any specific makes/models?
[06:31] <bob2> you can tell apt to pin hoary above the world
[06:31] <unit3_> Yeah, but I mean "force on a global level", not "force on a package by package basis". :P
[06:31] <mz2> i've installed a too recent version of a certain package from the debian unstable (yes, i know i've been a bad boy when i did that :) and i'd like to fall back to the version from the ubuntu repository
[06:31] <unit3_> oh ok.
[06:31] <unit3_> That should work.
[06:31] <wm_eddie> rrittenhouse, No, I haven't had the financial resources to go wireless yet.
[06:31] <rrittenhouse> haha ok
[06:32] <rrittenhouse> Im doing it for the college i work for...
[06:32] <bob2> unit3_: man apt_preferences explains how
[06:32] <wm_eddie> rrittenhouse, I've also made a Kiosk.
[06:32] <dr_willis> we2by,  depends on what kind of images you are editing.. GIMP is very veyr handy however.
[06:32] <unit3_> bob2: yep, I'd just forgotten about it, since I never use it. :P
[06:32] <Sionide> bob2, xmms-m4a not in repositories?
[06:32] <wm_eddie> GConf is awesome for that.
[06:33] <unit3_> but, just so I'm clear, that probably still won't let me downgrade things, right?
[06:33] <bob2> Sionide: er, xmms-mp4
[06:33] <bob2> maybe they're not the same thing
[06:33] <bob2> unit3_: it will probably work
[06:33] <unit3_> ok, cool, I'll dig through that then.
[06:34] <unit3_> ahhh yes, man page says if the pin priority is > 1000, it'll downgrade
[06:34] <unit3_> Good.
[06:34] <rrittenhouse> wm_eddie: awesome. I just used xfwm, idesk (for the "fake" icons), and fbpanel for the fake panel..i locked down the escape sequences... its pretty solid besides a few minor details as in you can open attachments (but not download) in firefox.. i have to kill the downloading of things still
[06:34] <mz2> how do i fall back to an older version of a package? this should not be too difficult to do. i can even do that with any given rpm-based distro :)
[06:34] <rrittenhouse> wm_eddie: we limit by proxy server what can be viewed so its pretty restricted
[06:34] <bob2> mz2: how careful were you?
[06:35] <bob2> mz2: do you know what else it installed?
[06:35] <mz2> didn't install anything else.
[06:35] <bob2> ok
[06:35] <bob2> then remove the debian lines fro myour sources.list
[06:35] <bob2> then run 'sudo apt-get update'
[06:36] <bob2> then run 'apt-cache policy nameofpackage'
[06:36] <bob2> then 'sudo apt-get install nameofpackage=1.2.3', where 1.2.3 is the version you want
[06:36] <lydon> question, I've installed Ubuntu on an old IBM Netfinity 3000, 400Mhz PII, it's dual-processor ready, how hard is it to install a second processor?
[06:37] <bob2> lydon: software wise or physically?
[06:37] <lydon> software-wise...
[06:37] <bob2> trivial
[06:37] <bob2> sudo aptitude install linux-686-smp
[06:37] <bob2> reboot
[06:37] <bob2> done
[06:38] <lydon> bob2: so I do this before installing the second processor physically?
[06:38] <bob2> doesn't matter
[06:38] <biezt> any1 got an idea why ubuntu install keeps hanging at ubuntu-desktop
[06:38] <unit3_> easiest is probably to install SMP kernel, shut down, physically install new processor, start up with new kernel.
[06:38] <biezt> i can install server and then he crashes when i install ubuntu-desktop
[06:38] <lydon> bob2: sweet... I knew I would love Ubuntu
[06:39] <bob2> yup
[06:39] <bob2> (to be fair, it's just as easy in debian)
[06:39] <lydon> bob2: yeah, this is the first time my employer has let me install linux on anything, we're a netware shop
[06:40] <lydon> bob2: I'm using it as a Jabber/Jabber Web Client server... works perfectly
[06:42] <lydon> thanks for the help bob & unit... I'll try it right now
[06:42] <amonkey> when x starts up, it hangs on session manager for almost a minute. this just started recently, how can i fix it?
[06:42] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: so, how did it go? :)
[06:43] <bob2> amonkey: deleting your ~/.gnome will fix it, but it's a pretty bad "solution"
[06:43] <unit3_> hmmmm... E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/999priority:4: Extra junk at end of file
[06:43] <bob2> line 4 is screwed
[06:43] <unit3_> 999priority contains:
[06:43] <unit3_> Package: *
[06:43] <unit3_> Apina: release hoary
[06:43] <unit3_> Pin-Priority: 1001
[06:43] <unit3_> There is no line 4.
[06:43] <amonkey> bob2: what's a good solution?
[06:43] <bob2> "Apina"?
[06:43] <unit3_> erm, that didn't paste right
[06:43] <battlecat> Hi! Any suggestions on an email client that isnt as heavy as evolution and is not part of a HUGE KDE package?
[06:43] <unit3_> Apina: release hoary
[06:43] <bob2> battlecat: balsa, mutt
[06:44] <unit3_> ???
[06:44] <lotusleaf> battlecat, thunderbird, pine, mutt
[06:44] <unit3_> that's strange. I'm blaming knoppix.
[06:44] <unit3_> it really says "Pin: release hoary"
[06:44] <battlecat> Thanks guys. I dont like Thunderbird Ive had it crash way to many times on windows and it is slow as all get out on linux.
[06:45] <bob2> unit3_: release a=hoary
[06:45] <lotusleaf> battlecat, mozilla suite has an email client too
[06:45] <unit3_> battlecat: that's really strange. I've never had thunderbird crash since 1.0, and it's the fastest GUI client that does everything I need under Linux...
[06:45] <battlecat> Oh ok.
[06:45] <unit3_> ahhh ok, I'll try that bob
[06:46] <bob2> at least, that's what I would guess based on reading the manpage
[06:46] <lakin> unit3_: same here, although I don't use it under linux, I use evolution cause I use the other components.
[06:46] <unit3_> Hrm... still same error...
[06:46] <lotusleaf> battlecat, try searching sites like sourceforge.net and freshmeat.net for an email client, you'll find no shortage
[06:46] <battlecat> Well unit3_ we all have different experiences. I perfer to use epiphany over firefox due to a lower overhead
[06:46] <unit3_> lakin: yeah, I'm using Evo too now because of calendaring stuff.
[06:46] <NetGeek> I'm having trouble with apt-get update, telling me the some of the Packages.gz are corrupt, is there a apt cache file I can clear out?
[06:46] <lotusleaf> battlecat, I prefer dillo for low overhead :)
[06:47] <battlecat> dillo?
[06:47] <battlecat> Cool
[06:47] <battlecat> I will try that.
[06:47] <lotusleaf> battlecat, yup, it's a tiny web browser
[06:47] <battlecat> I just dont see giving a prog that sits in the background 25% of my resources
[06:47] <lotusleaf> battlecat, why, haven't you ever sat at a party and just ate or drank?
[06:48] <NetGeek> 99% [Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (216.165.129.138)] 
[06:48] <NetGeek> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[06:48] <NetGeek> Err http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main Packages
[06:48] <NetGeek>   Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[06:48] <battlecat> LOL no I never have
[06:48] <NetGeek> but works fine on my other Ubuntu box
[06:48] <lotusleaf> battlecat, so by that logic everyone at a party who is not doing something or contributing should be kicked out?
[06:48] <lakin> battlecat: 25% of your resources!?  wow.  you must be on a bit of older hardware?
[06:48] <battlecat> Im not the party person type. I am into bodybuilding and inline skating so I rarly have time.
[06:48] <bob2> NetGeek: are you behind a "transparent" proxy?
[06:49] <unit3_> hmmm... maybe I just have the file format wrong for something in apt.conf.d/, all the other files have a format like "APT::something::something".
[06:49] <NetGeek> bob2: nope
[06:49] <lotusleaf> battlecat, do you use kde or gnome?
[06:49] <battlecat> I am lakin. Though you know its really funny that windows XP is blazing fast on ly computer.
[06:49] <bob2> unit3_: er, it goes in /etc/apt/
[06:49] <battlecat> I like GNOME
[06:49] <lotusleaf> battlecat, why? there's that 25% or so that you're talking about being used up when you could use fluxbox or blackbox instead
[06:50] <battlecat> Well Flux and blackbox need configured I havent had the chance yet
[06:50] <lotusleaf> battlecat, so if you say you dislike firefox because of resource hogging, and you use gnome or kde, then ....
[06:50] <unit3_> And even so, it's strange that XP'd be faster than Gnome on your system. I usually find (at least with Ubuntu) that the reverse is true.
[06:50] <lotusleaf> unit3_, strange indeed
[06:51] <lakin> battlecat, that is really funny, because I'm on fairly new hardware and XP is a memory hog and is slower than just about anything.
[06:51] <battlecat> I know
[06:51] <fredrik> hello. how can i list all my harddrives including partitions and filesystems?
[06:51] <battlecat> Lakin I have seen some nice machines drag with XP
[06:51] <lakin> fredrik, df ?
[06:51] <fredrik> lakin, df?
[06:51] <lotusleaf> then agai, there's been a LOT of this type of strange talk lately in the Linux community, and comparisons between Windows & Linux and odd headlines "is Linux falling?" I think there's some insider trolling going on, paid for by the anti-christ.
[06:51] <lakin> fredrik, although, that will only be the mounted partitions.  the command is called 'df'
[06:51] <king> how are you doing
[06:52] <fredrik> lakin, but the non-mounted then?
[06:52] <lotusleaf> king, elvis has left the building
[06:52] <unit3_> ahhh yeah, there we go.
[06:52] <unit3_> lol lotusleaf
[06:52] <lotusleaf> IMO XP's only good for one thing: picking up animal poop
[06:53] <fredrik> can i list all my harddrives that is detected?
[06:53] <battlecat> LOL I love linux. I am not a Windows Fan but then agian I am not a Linux fan either. To me they are just ways to get things started. Its the software like Cinepaint and Inkscape that attract me to linux
[06:53] <lml> I am having trouble getting NFS working between a my Ubuntu boxes, anybody who think they can help?
[06:54] <unit3_> awww damn! I forgot I installed the winbind/samba from breezy because all previous versions are broken with Win2K3SP1. Damn damn damn...
[06:54] <lakin> lml, you should probably ask the specific question, then we can try to help.
[06:54] <nutorian> What is a command to determine wheather I have sound drivers or not?
[06:54] <unit3_> nutorian look and see if /dev/sound exists, check the output of dmesg, check the output of lsmod.
[06:54] <bob2> unit3_: rebuilds the breezy version on hoary then
[06:54] <unit3_> All of those are pretty good indications.
[06:55] <lml> I have followed the NFS and NFS-Server Howto in the Wiki and I keep getting the "mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused" when I try to mount.
[06:55] <battlecat> brb
[06:55] <unit3_> bob2: yeah, I'm going to have to.
[06:55] <nutorian> dev/sound "no such file or directory
[06:55] <rancorus> is there anything built-in ubuntu to burn cds ?
[06:55] <bob2> rancorus: sure, the file manager does that out of the box
[06:55] <goldfish> nautilius
[06:55] <fredrik> how do i successfully mount a NTFS drive? i just wanna read from it (play mp3's)
[06:55] <Sionide> wow, alt+escape flicks though windows like alt+tab does but without the little popup box, that's nice:)
[06:55] <goldfish> gah
[06:55] <unit3_> rancorus: yes, by default both the Gnome facilities are there, and you can install K3B which does a bang-up job.
[06:56] <rancorus> bob2and unit3_:thanks a lot
[06:56] <goldfish> fredrik: www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[06:56] <Jormundgand> Nice to see the bizarre bug with the volume control was solved.
[06:57] <nutorian> unit3_: dev/sound I get "no file or directory", dmesg I get like 10 pages of stuff and lsmod I get a list
[06:58] <jind> Does anybody know of a repository with kmplayer?
[06:58] <lml> I keep getting "mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused" when I try to mount a NFS share.
[06:58] <nick_m|afk> nutorian, try "lsmod |grep snd" if there's too much to make sense of
[06:58] <Rockett17> does anyone use XFCE here?
[06:58] <lml> I have followed the NFS howto on the server, but to no prevail.
[06:59] <nutorian> nick_m|afk: Nothing happens
[07:00] <Stromks> Yo
[07:00] <nick_m> nutorian, that means you don't have any modules loaded. what type of soundcard do you have?
[07:00] <lakin> lml, have you searched for the specific error using google and tried to follow any instructions you find from there?
[07:00] <nutorian> nick_m: Sb 7.1 live 24bit
[07:00] <lml> lakin: I have followed any that I could find on the Ubuntu wiki.
[07:01] <unit3_> nutorian: a lot of the SBLives being sold these days are a rebranded card based on an unsuported chipset.
[07:01] <unit3_> We ran into this recently, you may have one of those.
[07:01] <unit3_> Can you show us what lspci says about your card?
[07:01] <nutorian> unit3_: well this is a creative labs if means anything differnet
[07:02] <unit3_> nutorian: no, they have a history of buying other companies stuff and branding it "creative labs". Look at the SoundBlaster 128s, which are all Ensonique cards. ;)
[07:02] <Stromks> Im gonna install this thing soon =) But the DVD, it is like 3 gb or something
[07:02] <stjepan> hello
[07:02] <unit3_> So yeah, I can determine if that's what's happening to you if you show me what lspci says about your card.
[07:02] <Stromks> And there is an install CD
[07:02] <stjepan> I have a problem with Ubuntu
[07:02] <Stromks> Surely there would be more than 1 install CD?
[07:02] <stjepan> Live
[07:03] <stjepan> Ubuntu did not mount my two partitions
[07:03] <stjepan> :(
[07:03] <nutorian> unit3_: it has a really long list
[07:03] <unit3_> nutorian: sure, but only about 3 of those lines refer to your soundcard.
[07:04] <stjepan> Can you help me?
[07:04] <Xnalz> hey IcemanV9 are you still here?
[07:04] <Stromks> stjepan, you need to mount them yourself i think
[07:04] <lotusleaf> You've never really watched The Matrix until you've watched it in green tinted ASCII.
[07:04] <stjepan> Stromks: How?
[07:04] <Stromks> rofl
[07:04] <Xnalz> lol
[07:05] <stjepan> sorry I am beginner
[07:05] <e-head> hey guys ...
[07:05] <stjepan> mount <what>?
[07:05] <random_> how do i configure my soundcard?
[07:05] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: yes
[07:06] <stjepan> so?
[07:06] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: its freezing up at the same point still
[07:06] <Ravarin> Anyone ever try to install Ubuntu on a software raid?  Doesn't seem to like it very much.
[07:06] <Stromks> stjepan, you are mounting HDDs right? What file system?
[07:06] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: where did it stopped at?
[07:06] <stjepan> Stromks: yes
[07:06] <Xnalz> IcemanV9 right after it installed open office
[07:07] <Stromks> What file system?
[07:07] <Stromks> FAT?
[07:07] <random_> how do i configure my soundcard? It's a Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live 24-bit
[07:07] <Stromks> ext2/3?
[07:07] <e-head> ndis_wrapper module bombed on me while compiling 2.6.8.1
[07:07] <stjepan> Stromks: FAT32 and NTFS
[07:07] <Stromks> Right
[07:07] <Stromks> I don't think you will be able to see NTFS
[07:07] <Stromks> Its too complicated
[07:08] <Stromks> readers exist, and some new projects claim they can write to it
[07:08] <nick_m> random_, the module should be loaded already. what's the problem?
[07:08] <goldfish> you can see ntfs
[07:08] <nick_m> random_, no sound?
[07:08] <random_> no sound
[07:08] <Stromks> I couldn't :P
[07:08] <goldfish> hmm
[07:08] <random_> i dont have a /dev/dsp folder
[07:08] <random_> or a /dev/mixer folder
[07:08] <Stromks> goldfish, how'd you manage to get it?
[07:09] <goldfish> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows/
[07:09] <nick_m> random_, others may suggest differently, but i would open a termional and type "alsamixer"
[07:09] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: it runs like 6 more lines of code after open office is installed, can never read fast enough
[07:09] <Stromks> Doesn't work for me
[07:09] <random_> doesn't work
[07:09] <goldfish> stjepan: www.ubuntuguide.org <- go to the mounting section
[07:09] <random_> i've tried
[07:09] <Stromks> Yes
[07:09] <nick_m> s/termional/terminal
[07:09] <goldfish> works for me
[07:09] <stjepan> goldfish: tnx
[07:09] <Stromks> NTFS can't be writen to within linux, usually
[07:09] <nick_m> random_, ..and the error was..?
[07:09] <goldfish> yeah
[07:09] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: and then it goes to a black screen with just a single underscore in the top left hand corner of the screen
[07:09] <goldfish> It can be seen though.
[07:09] <goldfish> NTFS captive can write to it, but its expermintal
[07:09] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: hm. you went pretty far along. that's good, but unforunately it stopped. okay. let do this way .. you might want to install server at the boot time instead.
[07:10] <Stromks> Yeh
[07:10] <Stromks> I tried Captive
[07:10] <Stromks> it didn't work for me >_<
[07:10] <random_> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[07:10] <goldfish> I just made a fat32 partition to share with windows, and linux.
[07:10] <goldfish> handier
[07:10] <Stromks> stjepan: still there? It is slightly more complicated :P
[07:10] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: i haven't seen this error before, but hopefully someone can give a hint of why
[07:10] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: okies, btw thats where it always stops
[07:10] <Stromks> goldfish, thats what I did
[07:10] <Stromks> 60gb partition, called "Spaz0rz"
[07:10] <Stromks> Its filling up with music/anime
[07:10] <goldfish> Stromks: I think he just wants to mount his partitions.
[07:11] <goldfish> hehe
[07:11] <Stromks> Yes i know
[07:11] <goldfish> k
[07:11] <Stromks> But surely he needs to create the folder he is mounting to?
[07:11] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: type 'server' at the boot time. then, install gnome-desktop or different dm if you like
[07:11] <goldfish> Stromks: yeah
[07:11] <Stromks> >_< evil
[07:11] <goldfish> you need to state a valid mountpoint
[07:11] <Stromks> yes
[07:11] <goldfish> well, existing
[07:11] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: ok, is that where I check the md5sums?
[07:11] <Stromks> Stjepan: You still there?
[07:12] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: no. it is for to check if the file is okay or not.
[07:12] <Stromks> Hey I have a question
[07:12] <goldfish> ask away
[07:12] <Stromks> Theres a DVD and a CD version of it right?
[07:12] <goldfish> apparantly
[07:12] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: did you d/l iso file on winbox or other linux box?
[07:12] <Stromks> But to use the CD version, I only download 1 iso to burn
[07:13] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: ermmm I meant can I check the md5sum there, at the boot screen, or do I check it somewhere else never understood that?
[07:13] <Stromks> Surely that gives me less software than the DVD version?
[07:13] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: on a winbox
[07:13] <Stromks> goldfish?
[07:13] <goldfish> Stromks: yeah
[07:13] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: if on winbox, there is a free md5sum (i don't remember the name of it)
[07:13] <bob2> Stromks: yes
[07:13] <stjepan> Stromks: yes
[07:13] <goldfish> Stromks: i think the dvd has the full packages on it
[07:13] <Stromks> lol
[07:13] <bob2> Stromks: everything is on the internet ubuntu mirrors
[07:13] <bob2> Stromks: the dvd just has more of them
[07:13] <Stromks> is it? great =D
[07:14] <goldfish> yeah what bob2 said :)
[07:14] <Stromks> I ordered my copies
[07:14] <bob2> you don't need any cds to install
[07:14] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: no. you don't md5sum at boot
[07:14] <Stromks> gonna share it around with friends =D
[07:14] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: no idea what the md5sum are or how to check  just everyone tells me that I need to check it
[07:14] <goldfish> bob2: how long have you been using linux?
[07:14] <Sionide> where are desktop wallpapers stored in gnome?
[07:14] <Stromks> Xnalz, MD5 sums are a way of checking the intergrety of something
[07:14] <bob2> goldfish: hm, like 4 years?
[07:14] <goldfish> bob2: wow, cool, you know alot :)
[07:15] <bob2> heh
[07:15] <Xnalz> Sionide: but how do I check to see if it is ok?
[07:15] <Stromks> I just have fedora on this box in the way of linux :P
[07:15] <Stromks> Xnalz: Theres applications which can do it. Do you already have linux?
[07:15] <e-head> a few modules are "bombing out" for me when trying to compile 2.6.8.1
[07:16] <e-head> is this unusual ? i would think so ?
[07:16] <Xnalz> Stromks: no, trying to install ubuntu but it is proving to be rather difficult
[07:16] <Choubaka> I wonder for how long I have been using Linux. Probably 2 years. I see lots of newbies trying out the new distros... Ever more and more people :)
[07:16] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: here's an example > f6b3f164c99761234858a4d2c12d0840  ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[07:16] <Stromks> Xnalz: Checking the MD5 Sums isn't essential
[07:16] <Allergique> hello, does someone known how to make /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build directory?
[07:16] <bob2> e-head: whyy're you compiling it?
[07:16] <unit3_> Choubaka: hahaha, I probably said that exact same thing about 8 years ago on a RedHat IRC channel. ;)
[07:16] <Choubaka> I never really used Redhat.
[07:17] <bob2> Allergique: install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[07:17] <unit3_> in any case, I'm off to see if all this downgrading business has sourted out my system. ;)
[07:17] <Stromks> Fedora is pretty nicre
[07:17] <unit3_> Choubaka: I only used it right at the start, before I learned better. ;)
[07:17] <Choubaka> I experienced RPM dependency hell.
[07:17] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: so you know the file is okay .. anyhow, type 'server' at the boot, then 'sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop'
[07:17] <Stromks> but i downloadsed the live cd of Ubuntu and it seemed good too =D
[07:17] <Choubaka> Then I went for Debian.
[07:17] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: I think I saw something similar to that in a a text file on the iso, what do I compare it to?
[07:17] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: on the download page of Ubuntu :)
[07:17] <Stromks> On the website, it will give you the MD5 sums
[07:18] <Benjamin_L> do notebooks use the same RAM as desktops do ?
[07:18] <Stromks> lol
[07:18] <Allergique> bob2:thank you
[07:18] <Stromks> well, it depends on the desktop, but generally, no :P
[07:18] <Sionide> i'm sure there's a howto install ubuntu right off the net with no cd burning or anything required
[07:18] <Benjamin_L> hopefully ubuntu will work on it
[07:19] <bob2> sure
[07:19] <Stromks> lmao Sionide
[07:19] <bob2> if your hardware can pxeboot
[07:19] <Stromks> Just order the CDs
[07:19] <Stromks> I got about 50
[07:19] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: is that the torrent files? only thing I see that resemlbes the numbers on the download page
[07:19] <Stromks> To share around
[07:19] <Choubaka> I haven't gotten any CDs yet :((
[07:19] <Stromks> The torrents are slower than the direct downloads :P
[07:19] <Sionide> well you better make sure you do share them all round then...
[07:19] <Stromks> Choubaka: how long have you waited?
[07:19] <Choubaka> Long.
[07:19] <Stromks> as in?
[07:19] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: just .iso file
[07:20] <Choubaka> months.
[07:20] <Stromks> shit >_<
[07:20] <Stromks> they may have just fucked up the ordering queue
[07:20] <Choubaka> Well, I think I ordered then when hoary was released.
[07:20] <Stromks> thats the newest?
[07:20] <Choubaka> yes.
[07:20] <Stromks> k
[07:20] <Choubaka> I wonder if they ship to Finland :P
[07:20] <bob2> Choubaka: did you order before or after?
[07:21] <Choubaka> Hmm. Can't remember.
[07:21] <Choubaka> probably after.
[07:21] <Stromks> Oh, and what is kubuntu?
[07:21] <bob2> ubuntu with kde
[07:21] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: sorry for all the stupid question but the md5sum is the first line on the document md5sum on the iso i downloaded?
[07:22] <Sionide> anyway Stromks i was just saying, it is possible to install if you don't wanna wait for cds but you can't burn your own..
[07:22] <bhna> Stromks: ubuntu whitout gnome and white kubuntu
[07:22] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: md5sum <filename>
[07:22] <Stromks> Thats within a linux environment though :P
[07:22] <Stromks> Xnalz: Just frickin' install the damn thing.
[07:22] <Stromks> Who cares about sums :P
[07:23] <Xnalz> Stromks: it won't install
[07:23] <Stromks> What error?
[07:23] <Xnalz> it just stops installing
[07:23] <Stromks> :O
[07:23] <e-head> bob2: well, i had to add some custom patches ...
[07:23] <unit3> Joy. It's still not booting.
[07:23] <unit3> *sigh*
[07:23] <Stromks> lol
[07:23] <e-head> right now i'm just commenting out each module in the .config file as it bombs out ...
[07:23] <Stromks> *waits for satasfied user*
[07:23] <e-head> nothing i really need so far, fingers crossed ... :)
[07:23] <bob2> e-head: patches for what?
[07:23] <Xnalz> Stromks: on the second stage after open office installs, goes to a black screena nd nothing happens
[07:23] <unit3> I have a feeling that this is because my root fs is xfs.
[07:24] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: found the site for winbox > http://winmd5sum.solidblue.ca/
[07:24] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: ty
[07:24] <e-head> ppdd ... it's a kernel level encryption package.
[07:24] <Stromks> Great =D
[07:24] <e-head> allows you to encrypt your entire / filesystem.
[07:24] <unit3> I have no idea why they felt the need to build xfs and reiserfs as separate modules in the latest security fix kernel. :(
[07:24] <e-head> it needs to be compiled straight into the kernel really ...
[07:24] <e-head> no module.
[07:25] <e-head> as otherwise the kernel won't be able to decrypt the / to begin with ...
[07:25] <unit3> e-head: if you compile as a module, and that module is on the initrd, wouldn't that work?
[07:26] <unit3> Assuming the initrd knows to load the module?
[07:26] <e-head> unit3: yeah, it should.
[07:26] <unit3> which makes me wonder... why isn't the latest official initrd loading my stupid XFS module. :P :P :P
[07:26] <bob2> e-head: why not just use dm-crypt?
[07:26] <bob2> it's replaced basically everything else
[07:26] <bob2> unit3: you might need to rebuild the initrd or something
[07:26] <unit3> bob2: is there any easy way to do that?
[07:27] <bob2> Im sure google can find the solution in the list archives
[07:27] <unit3> heheh
[07:27] <e-head> hmm ... hadn't heard of it ..
[07:27] <e-head> ppdd has some "convenience" tools which are nice though ...
[07:27] <e-head> you can change your passwords, etc ...
[07:27] <e-head> the old cryptoloop was pretty "grungy".
[07:28] <e-head> you can encrypt a filesystem w/o losing the data ...
[07:28] <e-head> stuff like that ...
[07:28] <bob2> dm-crypt is what all the cool kids use
[07:28] <Stromks> e-head, its pretty stupid though :P
[07:28] <bob2> the fact I've never heard of ppdd makes me thing it's very new or broken, tho
[07:28] <lonewolff> hey, does anyone know if there is a way to get tv out on ati m6 or m7 grpahics cards working in ubuntu? google was not much help :s
[07:28] <e-head> Stromks: what's stupid ? dm-crypt ...
[07:28] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: i'm checking out forums right now ...
[07:29] <unit3> lonewolff: you've tried ATI's binary driver that's in the restricted-modules package?
[07:29] <Stromks> e-head: Seems a little pointless. Means everything has to be decoded/encoded when accessed
[07:29] <lonewolff> unit3: the flgrx one?
[07:29] <Stromks> I don't see the point
[07:29] <unit3> lonewolff: yeah.
[07:29] <random_> how do i configure a soundcard? i have a Creative Soundblaster Live 24-bit. i have no sound and cannot access alsamixer
[07:29] <e-head> Stromks: the point is so nobody can get there hands on your data ...
[07:29] <bob2> the ppdd page doesn't seem to hav ebeen updated since 2002
[07:29] <unit3> random_: we just had someone else in here with that problem about 30 mins ago.
[07:29] <random_> it was me
[07:29] <e-head> Stromks: i mean ... it's not for everyone ...
[07:30] <random_> and nobody offered to fix it
[07:30] <Stromks> Yeh
[07:30] <lonewolff> unit3: when i go thru the howto and reboot X doesnt start, it says no screens found
[07:30] <unit3> random_: no, I mean someone*other* than you. ;)
[07:30] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: ok trying installing  just the base
[07:30] <random_> oh
[07:30] <random_> lol
[07:30] <Stromks> e-head: You might as well just set up a firewall :P
[07:30] <e-head> i rum a remailer and a TOR server, and am a privacy advocate ...
[07:30] <unit3> lonewolff: then you need to go through the X logs and figure out why it's broken.
[07:30] <e-head> Stromks:  different scenario ...
[07:30] <random_> well...ok.. so how does that help me? :P
[07:30] <unit3> random_: in any case, that card isn't based on the same emu10k chipset that other live cards are.
[07:30] <e-head> as a privacy advocate/remailer operator ...
[07:30] <unit3> random_: so the ALSA driver is brand new and isn't in Ubuntu yet.
[07:30] <lonewolff> unit3: works with exactly the same config but not using fglrx, there is nothing wrong with my config
[07:30] <e-head> the day may come when the Feds break down my door ...
[07:31] <Stromks> lol
[07:31] <e-head> they will then confiscate my computer, and try and access the data on it ...
[07:31] <Stromks> why would they do that then :P
[07:31] <random_> which means i need to do what
[07:31] <Stromks> all the pr0n
[07:31] <e-head> this way ... they will just be scratching there heads ...
[07:31] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: that would be the best to get it installed, then move on to install gnome-desktop.
[07:31] <unit3> random_: the Alsa soundcard matrix has info about compiling it from source, at the moment that's your best bet, unless you can track down a Debian source package for the latest modules.
[07:31] <e-head> Stromks: well, if you run any kind of privacy services ... there is always that scenario ...
[07:31] <Stromks> heh i suppose so
[07:32] <e-head> happened to the most famous remailer of all ... a guy in finland.
[07:32] <unit3> lonewolff: no, I've found that usually the fglrx module needs its own config, as well as the appropriate kernel modules loaded. Your best off making sure that the fglrx module is loaded, and then using the fglrxconfig util to make a new xorg.conf
[07:32] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: ok that worked, i think
[07:32] <e-head> Stromks: not to mention ... what if you are in a big warez group ?
[07:32] <Stromks> e-head: i'm not :P
[07:32] <Stromks> and if i was
[07:33] <e-head> when the RIAA/FBI bust your door down ... you don't want em finding all those mp3's and cracks do ya ?
[07:33] <Stromks> no
[07:33] <e-head> Stromks: well yeah, that's why i said it's not for everyone.  :)
[07:33] <Stromks> I'd just get my gun ;)
[07:33] <lonewolff> unit3: oh, thankyou for that, ill try that later :D
[07:33] <bob2> people actually have "cracks"?
[07:33] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: how do I go about installing the gnome desktop?
[07:33] <Stromks> yes
[07:33] <e-head> bob2: well, in the windows world.
[07:33] <Stromks> look at the bottom of their backs
[07:33] <e-head> they are always breaking up warez groups.
[07:34] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop
[07:34] <e-head> or ... what if your a world renowned spammer ?
[07:34] <bob2> e-head: it sounds vulnerable to normal ECB attacks
[07:34] <Stromks> e-head: what warex group?
[07:34] <e-head> or what if you like to write viruses for windows boxes ?
[07:34] <e-head> or your a hacker ?
[07:34] <bob2> and the fact it's .zip isn't very encouraging
[07:34] <unit3> lonewolff: no prob man, I've been dealing with ATI driver issues for a couple of years now on multiple distros, so I've been through a lot of the headaches before. ;P
[07:35] <e-head> ppdd has been pretty tested pretty well in the cyrpto community ...
[07:35] <Stromks> ppdd?
[07:35] <bob2> e-head: where?
[07:35] <e-head> but your right about that .zip, sort of is offputting, isn't it ?
[07:35] <bob2> e-head: why hasn't it been updated since 2.4?
[07:35] <random_> unit3: where would i find/makeuse of this info about compiling from the source?
[07:35] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: got Couldn't stat source package list http....-stat(2 no such file or directory)
[07:35] <e-head> guys lazy i think ...
[07:35] <e-head> there is a patch for 2.6 kernels though
[07:36] <e-head> if you google around on the crypto group newsgroups, you will see lots of support for ppdd.
[07:36] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: sudo apt-get update
[07:36] <Stromks> I want my CDs >_<
[07:36] <Stromks> suck
[07:36] <e-head> bob2: i've used it for about a year and a half on a debian box ...
[07:36] <bob2> sure
[07:36] <e-head> so it seems fairly stable.
[07:37] <Stromks> \nick test
[07:37] <bob2> it just doesn't seem ver well maintained
[07:37] <bob2> or peer-reviewed
[07:37] <Stromks> woot?
[07:37] <bob2> and it doesn't use the crypto-api
[07:37] <bob2> or the dm layer
[07:37] <bob2> etc
[07:37] <bob2> but meh
[07:37] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: ok  reading packaged lists....Done
[07:37] <e-head> bob2: actually, i think it has been peer reviewed.  google on the crypt newsgroups ...
[07:38] <Stromks> e-head, how long you been linuxing?
[07:38] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: terrific. now do 'sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop'
[07:38] <Dethread> not work safe: http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/blog/projects/ubuntu/1118337956
[07:38] <Berserker_> can anybody help me ? when  ubuntu installer is trying to install grub, i see "the grub package failed to install into /target"
[07:39] <Berserker_> with lilo - the same
[07:39] <Berserker_> my HDD is primary master
[07:39] <e-head> Stromks: hmmm ... for about 5 or 6 years ?
[07:39] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: "E: Couldn't find package gnome-desktop"
[07:40] <e-head> Stromks: 5 years. since 2000 ... grad school.
[07:40] <IcemanV9> hey, guys? is it the package gnome-desktop correct?
[07:41] <reka> ubuntu-desktop
[07:41] <BockBilbo> :(
[07:41] <BockBilbo> the xserver wont work anymore
[07:41] <IcemanV9> thank you, reka
[07:41] <reka> i haven't followed the thread, but that's what you need if you want to install gnome iirc
[07:41] <BockBilbo> it was working before today.. but with some crappy resolution and bad frec rate... and now it just doesnt want to work
[07:41] <BockBilbo> :S
[07:42] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: correction: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:42] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: ok that is working its installing something now
[07:42] <Berserker_> so, what about my question ? :)
[07:42] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: soon, you'll have the GREAT ubuntu installed! *whew*
[07:42] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: hehe thank ya for all the help
[07:43] <e-head> yeah ... it finished ...
[07:43] <e-head> just 2 "bombs" ... on unnecessary drivers ...
[07:44] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: lol
[07:44] <yourghetek> i have an amd64 system on ubuntu server. im trying to get festival to work and i cant get my audio recognized by alsa
[07:45] <yourghetek> i have the 755 chipset
[07:45] <Cerb[AWAY] > pffff mysql is not appearing when i look at phpinfo()
[07:45] <Cerb[AWAY] > what am i doing wrong
[07:45] <yourghetek> oops i mean the 964 chipset
[07:46] <lakin> Cerb[AWAY] : look at /etc/php/apache/php.ini for the line which contains mysql.so and make sure it's not commented out?
[07:47] <lakin> And that's after you've made sure that you've installed the appropriate packages to get php-mysql.
And then, uninstall php and install a *real* web development environment ;)</flame>
[07:49] <misterniark> bonsoir
[07:49] <Berserker_> can anybody help me ? when  ubuntu installer is trying to install grub, i see "the grub package failed to install into /target". with lilo - the same. my HDD is primary master, CD is primary slave, I choose "use entire disk space"..
[07:49] <Kejk_PL> Hi I have problem with grub (probably)
[07:49] <Xabbu|> Is there any good cryptation software, for cyphering a whole harddrive?
[07:50] <Kejk_PL> I have updated latest kernel fron Hoary
[07:50] <Kejk_PL> and this Kernel Panic
[07:50] <Kejk_PL> VFS: Cannot open root device "hdb1" or unknown-block(0,0)
[07:50] <Kejk_PL> Please append a correct "root=" boot option
[07:50] <Kejk_PL> Kernel Panic: not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[07:50] <reka> yourghetek: i'm not experienced with ubuntu server, are you running gnome?
[07:50] <justin> Xabbu|: http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+encrypt+hard+drive
[07:50] <bob2> Kejk_PL: don't use breezy
[07:50] <bob2> Kejk_PL: or backports
[07:50] <Kejk_PL> bob2: only security updates
[07:51] <bob2> Kejk_PL: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1
[07:51] <bob2> paste that here
[07:51] <justin> bob2: thats the second person i've seen complain that an upgrade broke like that
[07:51] <bob2> bet you a beer it's 2.3.5
[07:51] <yourghetek> reka, ubuntu server has no wm
[07:51] <bob2> justin: breezy's libc6 (which the backports people thoughtfully backported to their test area) doesn't work with hoary's security kernels
[07:51] <yourghetek> dont even have x
[07:51] <Kejk_PL> title		Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-k7 (recovery mode)
[07:51] <Kejk_PL> root		(hd1,0)
[07:51] <Kejk_PL> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-k7 root=/dev/hdb1 ro
[07:51] <Kejk_PL> initrd		/boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-k7
[07:51] <Kejk_PL> savedefault
[07:51] <Kejk_PL> boot
[07:52] <Berserker_> why are you ignore me ? or you really cant see my messages ?
[07:52] <bob2> Kejk_PL: dude
[07:52] <bob2> Kejk_PL: 03:51:07           bob2 | Kejk_PL: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1
[07:52] <Cerb[AWAY] > lakin it was commented out
[07:52] <Cerb[AWAY] > thx man ;)
[07:52] <Kejk_PL> w8
[07:52] <justin> bob2: ah, why doesn't it work?
[07:52] <bob2> Berserker_: try asking on the user list
[07:52] <bob2> justin: I forget...I think it breaks mkinitrd somehow
[07:52] <Kejk_PL> need to set up chroot, sec
[07:52] <bob2> er
[07:52] <justin> bob2: ah, that was what I was thinking.. how else could it not even get up to starting init
[07:52] <delire> anyone know whether breezy will have different default icons? i'm sitting with a new linux users here who chose KDE over Gnome (in ubuntu) on the basis that the "icons look really old"). she said "the desktop icons looks like they are from 1994"! yes i pointed her to art.gnome.org but to no avail ;)
[07:53] <Kejk_PL> root@Knoppix:/ # dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1
[07:53] <Kejk_PL> ii  libc6          2.3.5-1ubuntu3 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone
[07:53] <bob2> and we have a winner
[07:53] <NixerX> delire, of all the things to concern over ....
[07:53] <bob2> Kejk_PL: so, you're using backports or breezy
[07:53] <reka> yourghetek: ah.  like i said, my knowledge is pretty limited.  i was going to recommend you try the sound fix on ubuntuguide.org .  i don't know how useful that would be though. (read: probably not useful at all)
[07:53] <delire> NixerX: hehe i know.. albeit it's what new users often care about..
[07:53] <bob2> or someone rooted your machine, installed it, left and didn't tell you
[07:53] <Kejk_PL> bob2, it's from Debian SArge
[07:54] <bob2> ha ha ha
[07:54] <Kejk_PL> but it was working
[07:54] <NixerX> How closely dose Ubuntu follow the debian build standards?
[07:54] <bob2> NixerX: the package standards?  very closely
[07:54] <reka> Berserker_: it's likely no one has an answer ATM.
[07:54] <Kejk_PL> bob2, problem is not with libc6 - its sure
[07:54] <delire> NixerX: very closely yes.. or do you mean building packages, as with dpkg.
[07:54] <reka> be patient.
[07:54] <NixerX> delire , Ususally people that take issue with that aspect are graphics Designers.
[07:54] <bob2> Kejk_PL: no, it is, sorry
[07:55] <delire> NixerX: she is an accountant ;)
[07:55] <Kejk_PL> bob2, how it is possible?
[07:55] <bob2> Kejk_PL: I don't know, it's you who did it :)
[07:55] <Kejk_PL> bob2, it was working yester, I've done "something" (probably kernel update from security update) end.. bum
[07:55] <NixerX> delire...hmmm its still way cool that she';s using Lunux....lest its under diress.
[07:55] <bob2> Kejk_PL: yes
[07:56] <bob2> Kejk_PL: the problem is that you installed libc6 from breezy or the backports repodsitory
[07:56] <bob2> which doesn't work with the new kernel
[07:56] <Kejk_PL> oh!
[07:56] <delire> NixerX: she took to kubuntu-desktop, just bawked at gnome. hell i don't even use icons so a bit out of the loop.
[07:56] <Kejk_PL> so I need install old kernel - that is the solution
[07:56] <Efwis> berserker, is that on a partitioned disk, or dual disk system?
[07:56] <Mirkus>  ciao qualcuno esperto?
[07:56] <NixerX> bob2 delire , I have some packages I want to build. I would like them to useable for others.
[07:57] <delire> NixerX: man dpkg-deb
[07:57] <Cerb[AWAY] > how do u shut down Gnome and X so you basicly only got a command line?
[07:57] <delire> NixerX: dpkg -b may be a good start
[07:57] <bob2> NixerX: following the debian poicy is a good start
[07:57] <delire> bob2: that too
[07:57] <dman> hi.. got a question regarding this weeks update
[07:57] <lsuactiafner> Cerb[AWAY]  : sh /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[07:58] <lsuactiafner> Cerb[AWAY]  : then control alt backspace to kill X
[07:58] <dman> running sudo apt-get update gets me:
[07:58] <lsuactiafner> should work
[07:58] <henryb> Cerb[AWAY] , you know you can Ctrl+Alt+F[1-6]  to get a console and leave it right?
[07:58] <Cerb[AWAY] > henryb it's for my webserver
[07:58] <delire> Cerb[AWAY] : or do you mean, from a command line prompt..?
[07:58] <dman> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/main/source/Sources.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[07:58] <NixerX> delire personally im up in the air on the *buntu's tho I like Ubuntu best....I think.
[07:58] <henryb> Cerb[AWAY] , gotcha
[07:58] <DanielHolth> hello ubuntu users
[07:58] <Cerb[AWAY] > i don't need X and Gnome
[07:58] <delire> Cerb[AWAY] : ahah ok.
[07:58] <Kejk_PL> bob2, maybe you know, when breeze will be usable, to install some necesary lilaries, like libc6 (I need it for some non-from-debian packages, like polish communicator Kadu)
[07:58] <DanielHolth> the power of mad philanthropism!
[07:58] <dman> whats up??
[07:58] <NixerX> bob2 so if I follw the debia docs Ill be kosher with Ubuntu.
[07:58] <delire> NixerX: i'm a fan, but have many criticisms
[07:58] <Cerb[AWAY] > thx guys that did it ;)
[07:58] <lsuactiafner> Cerb[AWAY]  : tell me if my commands worked.
[07:58] <Kejk_PL> bob2, don't "whet it be ready" :)
[07:58] <lsuactiafner> cool
[07:58] <Howitzer>  A little noob question here
[07:59] <lsuactiafner> took me ages to figure that out
[07:59] <Cerb[AWAY] > :))
[07:59] <Efwis> dman, is your source.list set up so that it can access the repo, or is it commented out??
[07:59] <lsuactiafner> chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm might work for you also Cerb[AWAY] 
[07:59] <NixerX> delire Critisizm is a good thing,,,if stated and met with positvity.
[07:59] <Cerb[AWAY] > killall gdm works to :)
[07:59] <lsuactiafner> it should disable auto X startup
[07:59] <lakin> lsuactiafner: aack!  that's not a good way to do it!?
[07:59] <delire> NixerX: it seems that's what the ubuntu bounties are for.. http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBounties
[07:59] <Howitzer> i want to copy a file into /usr/share/games/doom, however, it complains that i don't have root access, can i do this with sudo ....., if yes, what exact command? :/
[08:00] <lsuactiafner> lakin : but it works for me(tm)
[08:00] <DanielHolth> my least favorite thing about ubuntu is the /etc/init.d process wherein, say, eth0 tries to start
[08:00] <DanielHolth> for sixty seconds
[08:00] <lakin> Cerb[AWAY] : if you don't want gdm to start on boot, then uninstall it, and/or remove it from /etc/rcX/
[08:00] <DanielHolth> then things that depend on it try to start
[08:00] <delire> Howitzer: sudo cp file /usr/share/games/doom/
[08:00] <lsuactiafner> thats actually how i run ubuntu, most of the init.d aint +x
[08:00] <lakin> leave the file in /etc/init.d/ alone.
[08:00] <unit3> Alright, my initrds definately aren't building properly.
[08:00] <bob2> NixerX: yes
[08:00] <DanielHolth> even though I'm on a wireless network or no network.
[08:00] <NixerX> Howitzer sudo cp /yadda/yadda/ /path/
[08:00] <dman> Efwis: my src list has never changed.. 1st time i have a problem.
[08:00] <delire> Howitzer: cp == copy..
[08:00] <Howitzer> okay
[08:00] <deFrysk> mv is move
[08:00] <deFrysk> or rename
[08:00] <yourghetek> reka, i wasnt asking anyone in particular. i was asking the room
[08:00] <DanielHolth> if I could fix that then maybe I would switch away from another distribution we like to call 'gentoo'
[08:00] <Cerb[AWAY] > no i just need it to shut down temporarily
[08:00] <unit3> I'm getting the following when run on the commandline or when (re)installing a kernel package:
[08:00] <lsuactiafner> lakin : yeh a noob shouldnt go there.. but bootup is much faster ifyou disable those scripts
[08:00] <NixerX> bob2 thanks.
[08:01] <lakin> Cerb[AWAY] : I typically use rcconf to enable/disable stuff for boot.
[08:01] <delire> Howitzer: cp -r gives 'recursive copy', which is useful when copying whole directories.
[08:01] <Efwis> hmmm, ok
[08:01] <unit3> cpio:   /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x45590000): No such file or directory
[08:01] <unit3> cpio: (0xffffe000): No such file or directory
[08:01] <mjr> hmh, anyone having usb2 initialization problems under ubuntu/amd64?
[08:01] <unit3>  /lib/ld-linux.so.2 of course, *does* exist.
[08:01] <Howitzer> Oo
[08:01] <lakin> lsuactiafner: what I mean, is that you shouldn't be disabling boot stuff that way.
[08:01] <Howitzer> i can't see what i type :/
[08:01] <Howitzer> oh
[08:01] <lotusleaf> Anyone else notice people on freenode from (what appears) to be microsoft.com?
[08:01] <lsuactiafner> DanielHolth : look @ /etc/init.d/networking
[08:01] <unit3> But I'm booted into knoppix, and chrooted into my Ubuntu install... could mkinitrd be busting out of the chroot and then screweing up?
[08:01] <Howitzer> nvm
[08:01] <lakin> There are pleny of other cleaner ways to do it.
[08:01] <dr_willis> mjr,  when i was useing the 64 bit version - i dident :P   - but i switched back to 32bit
[08:01] <deFrysk> Howitzer, I see what you mean
[08:01] <lsuactiafner> then how should i disable boot stuff?
[08:02] <delire> deFrysk: hehe
[08:02] <Howitzer> deFrysk, how do you mean? :/
[08:02] <reka> yourghetek: eh, what did i do?  i just suggested an admittedly lame solution.  i was telling the other guy to be patient .
[08:02] <deFrysk> Howitzer, i could see waht you did not see
[08:02] <Seveas> jdub, ping?
[08:02] <lakin> lsuactiafner: remove it from the appropriate run-level directory:  /etc/rcX.d/ where x is one of 0,1,2,3,5,6, etc. I use rcconf which does it appropriately.
[08:02] <Howitzer> ooh
[08:02] <yourghetek> no im just saying dont feel bad for not being able to answer the question, its not your responsibility at all just because you responded to my initial question
[08:02] <jdub> Seveas: pong
[08:03] <reka> lotusleaf: how so?
[08:03] <Seveas> jdub, can i privmsg you for a small question?
[08:03] <delire> lakin: update-rc.d defaults 80 also wise
[08:03] <jdub> Seveas: sure
[08:03] <lotusleaf> reka, one example is HowardG
[08:03] <james__> question...trying to get PHP, apache, mysql set up on ubuntu server...need assistance..thx
[08:03] <lakin> delire: yeah, update-rc.d is useful as well.
[08:03] <reka> yourghetek: ah, ok.  nm.  i thought you were angry at me. :-)
[08:03] <yourghetek> :)
[08:03] <delire> lakin: not used rcconf, will investigate
[08:04] <ztonzy> hey delire
[08:04] <lotusleaf> reka, HowardG (~Howard@tide002.microsoft.com)
[08:04] <delire> ztonzy: hi ztonzy what's up?
[08:04] <ztonzy> delire, spreading the word about Ubuntu were I live :)
[08:04] <delire> ztonzy: good lad ;)
[08:04] <Howitzer> hmmm
[08:04] <Howitzer> i'm really starting to like linux :/
[08:04] <ztonzy> delire, just finished homemade wok :)
[08:04] <ztonzy> delire, hehe
[08:04] <Howitzer> Oeh
[08:04] <lakin> I'm still waiting for my Ubuntu Shipit CD's to arrive. :(
[08:04] <Howitzer> wok
[08:04] <Howitzer> Wokking rules!
[08:05] <Cerb[AWAY] > m))
[08:05] <delire> ztonzy: you're an industrious chap!
[08:05] <Cerb[AWAY] > :))
[08:05] <Cerb[AWAY] > why not download them lakin
[08:05] <lsuactiafner> lakin : so how do you suggest i disable services? thing is i need to know to tell ppl the proper way then..
[08:05] <Howitzer> healthy and tasty
[08:05] <crut> #surabaya
[08:05] <reka> lotusleaf: oh.  that's interesting then.  what channel was he in?
[08:05] <lsuactiafner> lakin : just download the 600mb..
[08:05] <ztonzy> well, I grabbed, spaggetti, meatballs, and some frozen vegs...that's about it ;)
[08:05] <lotusleaf> reka, try doing a whois
[08:05] <lsuactiafner> i did on a 3k/s dailup
[08:05] <delire> ztonzy: it's time for me to leave
[08:05] <Howitzer> lakin, you should indeed download them, only took me 1h30m to dl
[08:05] <lotusleaf> reka, there's others on freenode too, it's interesting. I wonder why they're here.
[08:05] <ztonzy> delire, sorry ?
[08:05] <delire> ztonzy catch u on the morrow..
[08:05] <ztonzy> delire, oh
[08:06] <lotusleaf> reka, he's talking in #kernel-panic right now
[08:06] <HappyFool> Howitzer: for those of us on dialup it's more like 40 hours
[08:06] <lsuactiafner> Howitzer : you might have a percentage of the bandwidth the whole of south-africa has opened up to users
[08:06] <jdub> Seveas: done
[08:06] <Howitzer> ooh
[08:06] <Howitzer> oh yeah
[08:06] <Seveas> jdub, many thanks
[08:06] <Howitzer> i forgot that Ubuntu is African
[08:07] <Howitzer> it's nice though
[08:07] <Kejk_PL> chroot on knoppix sucks - I even can't set up apt
[08:07] <Kejk_PL> in with package (only name) is old kernel-iage?
[08:07] <Seveas> Kejk_PL, chroot is chroot, has nothing to do with the distro...
[08:07] <Howitzer> African linux community starts from nothing untill this great distro!
[08:07] <unit3> Indeed.
[08:07] <lakin> lsuactiafner, Howitzer: oh, I have the cd's for myself, but I wanted the nice versions to pass out to the non-converted.  AKA my dad.
[08:07] <HappyFool> ubuntu linux is not especially african
[08:07] <Seveas> linux-image-*
[08:07] <Kejk_PL> Seveas, you will be surprices, how it can mess with /dev
[08:07] <lsuactiafner> lol
[08:07] <Seveas> Kejk_PL, ack
[08:07] <unit3> anyone have any advice about my mkinitrd problems?
[08:08] <Howitzer> how do you mean, non-converted?
[08:08] <Kejk_PL> Seveas, , thx
[08:08] <unit3> I'm dying here! ;P
[08:08] <Howitzer> unit3, shoot
[08:08] <lakin> Howitzer: those who don't yet use linux.
[08:08] <Howitzer> ooh
[08:08] <Howitzer> lol
[08:08] <Howitzer> you speak like they're heithens
[08:08] <dr_willis> 100cc of sodium pentathol stat!
[08:08] <lsuactiafner> lakin : install an Xp theme and he shouldnt notice the differance
[08:08] <unit3> haha
[08:08] <Howitzer> lol
[08:08] <Howitzer> or use a thingy
[08:08] <Seveas> unit3, can you repeat the problem, i must have missed it
[08:08] <unit3> Howitzer: I posted above, but basically, my Ubuntu isn't making initrds properly.
[08:09] <unit3> mkinitrd says:
[08:09] <unit3> mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-k7 2.6.10-5-k7
[08:09] <dman> whats this:  "Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/main/source/Sources.gz  MD5Sum mismatch"
[08:09] <unit3> cpio:   /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x45590000): No such file or directory
[08:09] <unit3> cpio: (0xffffe000): No such file or directory
[08:09] <idan> hi, I cant find /dev/dsp (have an Old SBpro) what am I suppose to do ?
[08:09] <Howitzer> Oo
[08:09] <unit3> Of course, /lib/ld-linux is *right there*
[08:09] <lakin> lsuactiafner, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InitScriptList
[08:09] <ztonzy> lotusleaf, there used to be a m$ chatter in blenderchannels too few months ago :) we were a bit suspicous :)
[08:09] <unit3> I'm trying to run it booted into knoppix and then chrooted into Ubuntu.
[08:09] <Seveas> dman, that means: retry apt-get update
[08:09] <lakin> Howitzer, they are heathens.
[08:09] <Howitzer> i started ubuntu yesterday so i don't have a clue why i offered for help
[08:09] <unit3> Since my Ubuntu install no longer boots. :P
[08:09] <Howitzer> maybe so
[08:09] <Seveas> unit3, hmm, breezy?
[08:09] <BockBilbo> whats the name for the library of GD?
[08:09] <unit3> Seveas: nope, hoary.
[08:09] <Howitzer> but i'm still longing a tiny bit to windows
[08:09] <Howitzer> i mean
[08:09] <unit3> I'd expect super broken-ness on Breezy.
[08:10] <dr_willis> Howitzer,  Blasphmy!
[08:10] <lakin> lsuactiafner, it's not a problem of installing it myself, it's that my dad is on dialup, lives 3 time zones away, and I want him to hve a good impression of the software, some more professional than a burnt CD.
[08:10] <dr_willis> :P
[08:10] <dman> Seveas: re-ran it 4 times.. always same result
[08:10] <Seveas> there has been reported a problem like this. Did you manually compile a kernel?
[08:10] <reka> lotusleaf: closet linux users perhaps?
[08:10] <Seveas> dman, hmmm....
[08:10] <lakin> woohoo, my wireless mouse and wireless NIC just arrived.
[08:10] <unit3> However, I did have Breezy's libc installed at one point, and then I forced it back.
[08:10] <mirak> how to change the virtual desktop in gnome with the keyboard ?
[08:10] <james__>  question...trying to get PHP, apache, mysql set up on ubuntu server...need assistance..thx
[08:10] <unit3> Seveas: nope, just installed the latest security kernels from a day or two ago.
[08:10] <Seveas> unit3, that might just have f*d it
[08:10] <Howitzer> hey, i was kind of forced to try Ubuntu since XP has Registry_Error and i have to fully reformat
[08:10] <kevogod> During Ubuntu 5.04 install, the network card I was using was not autodetected since it was an old ISA card. I decided to skip network configuration as I would not be able to find drivers or anything. So I get the system up and then change the network card to a PCI one that is autodetected. It is listed in the Device Manager, however, it does not show up in the Network Settings dialog. How do...
[08:10] <kevogod> ...I get it to show up as eth0?
[08:10] <unit3> Seveas: yeah, that's what I'm figuring. Any ideas on what I'd need to do to fix it?
[08:10] <lonewolff> james__:  sudo apt-get install mysql-server php4 php4-mysql apache2
[08:11] <Howitzer> but i don't have an XP cd so i'm making backups with Ubuntu :D
[08:11] <Howitzer> but Ubuntu is here to stay
[08:11] <Howitzer> maybe as dualboot, maybe not
[08:11] <lotusleaf> reka, ...perhaps..
[08:11] <Howitzer> haven't decided yet :/
[08:11] <Seveas> unit3, that's really weird, you should mail it to the mailing list i know that one person who reads there has experienced the same
[08:11] <lotusleaf> reka, but if that was true, why would they be here on .microsoft.com ?
[08:11] <Seveas> it was a kernel-package problem
[08:11] <Howitzer> How do i reset X ? :/
[08:11] <britt_radiofree> hey, is anyone using flickr?
[08:11] <Seveas> Howitzer, what do you mean with 'reset'?
[08:11] <idan> alt-ctrl-backspace
[08:12] <Howitzer> well ehh
[08:12] <unit3> Seveas: unfortunately, this is the only machine I have here at work, and so now I don't have e-mail access under Knoppix. :(
[08:12] <Howitzer> hh yes
[08:12] <deFrysk> vrtl-alt-bckspce
[08:12] <Seveas> :/
[08:12] <deFrysk> ctrl
[08:12] <Howitzer> ctrl-lt-bckspce thiny
[08:12] <Seveas> ctrl-alt-bs does a hard reset
[08:12] <unit3> Plus, I sortof need to get it fixed *soon* so I can get back to work. :P
[08:12] <Howitzer> nd wtf won't my key work
[08:12] <Howitzer> eh
[08:12] <Seveas> unit3, don't you have another kernel installed?
[08:12] <Howitzer> i men the key next to e s nd q
[08:13] <kevogod> Can someone help me with Network card setup?
[08:13] <idan> wnyone how come my SBpro doesnt work with hoary 5.04 (kde)
[08:13] <reka> lotusleaf: exactly.  i'm sure there's a way to alter the user domain.  might be a joke.  but who'd do it without adding "sucks" or something to it?
[08:13] <jldugger> hey, is it normal for top to say that GDM is burning through CPU cycles?
[08:13] <DanielHolth> kevogod which network card do you have?
[08:13] <Seveas> jldugger, no
[08:13] <Howitzer> :(
[08:13] <Howitzer> the key still doesn't work
[08:13] <kevogod> 3C905B-TX
[08:13] <deFrysk> idan arts sucks I think
[08:13] <kevogod> I installed it after Ubuntu was setup.
[08:13] <Howitzer> mybe if i pound it RELLY hrd
[08:13] <unit3> ahhhh CRAP.
[08:14] <unit3> It looks like it didn't downgrade libc6 like it said it did.
[08:14] <Howitzer> aa
[08:14] <kevogod> It shows up in the Device manager, but does not show up in the Network Settings area.
[08:14] <Howitzer> aaaaaaa
[08:14] <Howitzer> Oeh
[08:14] <unit3> No wonder things are broken.
[08:14] <Howitzer> it's working again
[08:14] <unit3> Can someone tell me what the current version of libc6 is in hoary?
[08:14] <Seveas> unit3, yeah that has definitely f*ed up things
[08:14] <deFrysk> Howitzer, init 2
[08:14] <idan> dr_willis , I really dont care, I just want simple sound out of my box ! :)
[08:14] <Howitzer> but now the key next to it is screwed
[08:14] <dman> Seveas: i can download the file outside of apt-get update...
[08:14] <Howitzer> deFrysk, init 2?
[08:14] <Seveas> ii  libc6          2.3.2.ds1-20ub GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone
[08:14] <deFrysk> Howitzer, yes
[08:14] <kevogod> DanielHolth: You there?
[08:15] <deFrysk> and then back to init 3
[08:15] <DanielHolth> yes
[08:15] <deFrysk> I think :s
[08:15] <despeeh> dman : yes
[08:15] <kevogod> It shows up in the Device manager, but does not show up in the Network Settings area.
[08:15] <lotusleaf> reka: ask him his job at microsoft, he will answer. I don't think it's a joke. if it is, it's an odd one. googling for that domain yields little results, just hits on websites for the most part. Odd.
[08:15] <Howitzer> am i such a noob that i don't know what init is.? :x
[08:15] <dman> despeeh: yes?
[08:15] <lsuactiafner> unit3 : 2.3.3
[08:15] <deFrysk> Howitzer, runlever (or something)
[08:15] <lsuactiafner> ii  libc6                      2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13       GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data
[08:15] <james__> ? what's this: Package php4-mysql is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:15] <james__> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:15] <james__> is only available from another source
[08:15] <james__> E: Package php4-mysql has no installation candidate
[08:15] <unit3> thanks lsuactiafner. now let's see if I can force a downgrade. :P
[08:15] <deFrysk> runlevel
[08:15] <lsuactiafner> heh
[08:15] <Seveas> james__, please do not paste in here
[08:16] <despeeh> dman : yes you can
[08:16] <Seveas> james__, and you need to enable universe
[08:16] <james__> hmm thought i did
[08:16] <reka> lotusleaf: have you done a CTCP version?  what irc client is he using? :-)
[08:16] <psychonate> argh
[08:16] <dman> despeeh: what is happening on my system that causes the error?
[08:16] <DanielHolth> kevogod perhaps you would like to tell me what the name of the network card is in the device manager and I can suggest a module to load, although ubuntu is quite good at that.
[08:16] <psychonate> the latest mplayer version in Ubuntu still has problems with DVDs that have AC3 :(
[08:16] <Seveas> Filename: pool/universe/p/php4-universe/php4-mysql_4.3.10-10ubuntu3_i386.deb
[08:16] <despeeh> dman : what a kind of error , I just came here
[08:17] <Efwis> I just got my cd's a couple of days ago, I ordered them in April lol
[08:17] <psychonate> I only own like one PCM DVD heh
[08:17] <unit3> psychonate: what about Xine?
[08:17] <lakin> Efwis: i ordered mine in April as well.  They're still not here.
[08:17] <aasics> hey, does Ubuntu use devfs?
[08:17] <Kejk_PL> ^&$(*@, can't find this linux-image-k6, agrr
[08:17] <deFrysk> my ubuntu cd's are as ancient as sarge already is
[08:17] <Seveas> aapelii, ubuntu uses udev
[08:17] <dman> despeeh: whats this:  "Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/main/source/Sources.gz  MD5Sum mismatch"
[08:17] <Seveas> Kejk_PL, k7
[08:18] <aasics> seveas, thanks
[08:18] <unit3> aasics: it should use udev on a tmpfs
[08:18] <dr_willis> hmm devfs has been replaces with 'udev'
[08:18] <DanielHolth> udev is the bomb
[08:18] <DanielHolth> except when it doesn't work.
[08:18] <psychonate> unit3, XINE plays them fine, but I happen to like mplayer, and I know this is a bug with the Ubuntu build.
[08:18] <Kejk_PL> Seveas, yep, K7
[08:18] <DanielHolth> but udev is very nice
[08:18] <Kejk_PL> Seveas, misttake, but stil can't find
[08:18] <Seveas> DanielHolth, that goes for a lot of things ;)
[08:18] <kevogod> DanielHoth: I'm installing Fedora on the system right now as a Dual Boot system so I can not check the exact name it is using. But it is 3COM 905B Cyclone or something.
[08:18] <aasics> ...alright.  I switched from ubuntu to gentoo, and i just haven't kept track
[08:18] <unit3> psychonate: your best bet is to just file a bug in bugzilla then.
[08:18] <Andril> hello all
[08:18] <psychonate> unit3, I believe there already is one.
[08:18] <DanielHolth> it is, say, possible to edit some script and change how things happen when something is plugged in.
[08:18] <kevogod> (what it is using)
[08:18] <Andril> no Beagle yet?
[08:18] <psychonate> I will check now.
[08:18] <lotusleaf> reka, you could tell us all if you did a version. :)
[08:19] <lotusleaf> reka, not that I'm suggesting it. =)
[08:19] <DanielHolth> would be really easy to, say, play a polka song when you plug in a particular usb joystick.
[08:19] <Kejk_PL> Seveas, does ububtu has something like package search?
[08:19] <unit3> w0000000t! mkinitrd finished properly!
[08:19] <Seveas> Kejk_PL, apt-cache search
[08:19] <Kejk_PL> on website
[08:19] <reka> lotusleaf: no, i'm a coward.  :-)
[08:19] <Seveas> packages.ubuntu.com
[08:19] <aasics> kejk, synaptic also works
[08:19] <rocco> ciao a tutti
[08:19] <lakin> Rad!  I just plugged in my new Wirless NIC and the kernel module was inserted automatically.
[08:19] <unit3> psychonate: ahhhh
[08:19] <lotusleaf> Andril, in backports
[08:19] <Seveas> Kejk_PL, and linux-image-k7 is in main
[08:19] <rocco> oops
[08:19] <Kejk_PL> Seveas, apt don't want to ork on chrtot
[08:19] <wm_eddie> Kejk_PL, I'm working on that website :)
[08:19] <dman> despeeh: no im getting:W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[08:19] <Seveas> Kejk_PL, ahh..
[08:19] <lsuactiafner> lakin : what card is that? i need to buy one
[08:19] <Andril> lotusleaf, thanks Backports are still up?
[08:19] <Kejk_PL> ATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bdny deskryptor pliku
[08:19] <Kejk_PL> E: Method http has died unexpectedly!
[08:19] <Kejk_PL> root@Knoppix:/ #
[08:20] <DanielHolth> kevogod I have one of those I think. been using it for years and years.
[08:20] <lsuactiafner> lsudb me the chipset also please
[08:20] <lotusleaf> Andril, ubuntuguide dot org is helpful
[08:20] <lsuactiafner> Kejk_PL : this is #ubuntu
[08:20] <Stargazer> I'm running Ubuntu 5.04 PPC with a G3 Lombard.. Can someone give me some advice as to why playing video (divx, qt etc) produces shimmering white dots all over the screen, and when using KDE there is graphic corruption in the title bars, and viewing jpgs everything appears with a yellow film/filter??
[08:20] <lakin> lsuactiafner, DWL-G650, I read up on the ubuntu site about people's experiences with it, and this one seemed to work well.  Now I just need to see if I can get WPA-PSK working with wpa_supplicant
[08:20] <Kejk_PL> lukewarm, but I have to use Knoppix for chroot, how can I use Ubuntu, whe kernel don't want to boot?
[08:21] <Seveas> lakin, wpa is difficult, but there is a WPAHowto on the wiki
[08:21] <Kejk_PL> sorry, it was to lsuactiafner
[08:21] <Seveas> i need to update it though ;)
[08:21] <lsuactiafner> Kejk_PL : amd64 asus chiptset?
[08:21] <lakin> Seveas: yeah, I'm heading to it right now. :)
[08:22] <lsuactiafner> Stargazer : ppc support in here? err we are more like i686.. ask in advanced channels like ubuntu-devel
[08:22] <Seveas> lakin, pm me if you can't figure out what to do :)
[08:22] <Kejk_PL> lsuactiafner, no, newer from sarge - updated (from security-update) kernel can't work wih this - I have Athlon (k7)
[08:22] <eliteforce> hi
[08:22] <lsuactiafner> Kejk_PL : if ubuntu doesnt boot why do you need a chroot?
[08:22] <Stargazer> ok.. thanks..
[08:23] <lsuactiafner> also this is a good time to learn to compile your own kernel.
[08:23] <Xnalz> finially it installed correctly... i think
[08:23] <aasics> where would i be able to see where my sound card is mounted?
[08:23] <Xnalz> do I need to reboot for the desktop to load?
[08:23] <Kejk_PL> lsuactiafner, to fix it?
[08:23] <lakin> Seveas, thanks.
[08:23] <lsuactiafner> aasics : lspci... and lsmod check if the module for the card is in lsmod
[08:23] <Andril> lotusleaf, thanks - will try it when I get home
[08:23] <Kejk_PL> lsuactiafner, I have to intall older kernel, but can't find, where is DEB :/
[08:23] <eliteforce> i'd like to know how to make a vpn connection at school - in win i just connect to the school lan eth/wireless and connect to the vpn server with my user & passw
[08:24] <lsuactiafner> Kejk_PL : just mount the disk screw a chroot, then get a new kernel in place and update your boot sector
[08:24] <kev0r> is there a commandline prog that resizes one pic?
[08:24] <lsuactiafner> eliteforce : apt-cache search vpn
[08:24] <lsuactiafner> kev0r : called convert part of imagemagick i think
[08:25] <kev0r> hmm, ok :) i'll try
[08:25] <lsuactiafner> Kejk_PL : no idea where the kernel is.. i just compile my own
[08:25] <Kejk_PL> lsuactiafner, just this I want to do, but I can't find a linux-image-k7  and linux-image-2.6.10-5-k7 packages
[08:25] <kev0r> lsuactiafner: that's not commandline right?
[08:25] <lsuactiafner> kev0r : convert is
[08:25] <eliteforce> lsuactiafner: there exist many vpn packages - but which one to choose? pptp-linux for example needs a kernel patch?!
[08:25] <lsuactiafner> imagemagick aint
[08:25] <deFrysk> its linux-k7
[08:25] <kev0r> NAME
[08:25] <kev0r>        convert - convert an image or sequence of images
[08:25] <kev0r> jackpot :)
[08:25] <sauld> hello
[08:25] <Kejk_PL> deFrysk, but where it is?
[08:25] <Xnalz> what the hell
[08:25] <CKv400> convert rocks.
[08:26] <Xnalz> lol iceman ya still around?
[08:26] <deFrysk> Kejk_PL, what do you mean ?
[08:26] <sauld> can any person help me?
[08:26] <deFrysk> the image itself ?
[08:26] <Kejk_PL> deFrysk, in universe, main etc
[08:26] <lsuactiafner> eliteforce : ummm.. goto freshmeat.net register then search vpn then check the most popular ect
[08:26] <deFrysk> Kejk_PL, in main
[08:26] <HappyFool> Kejk_PL: apt-cache policy linux-image-k7 says that it's in main (of ubuntu)
[08:26] <Kejk_PL> thanks
[08:26] <CKv400> I have 2 Intel ISA nics in my box - how can I get lspci like info about them?
[08:27] <Kejk_PL> I'll try again - I'm not patient enought :)
[08:27] <lsuactiafner> sauld : one question per person per day asking for help counts.. but thats just me being mean.. we help just ask man.. like in fight club.. just ask
[08:27] <sauld> do you know the default pass for root_
[08:27] <justin> eliteforce: it helps to know what kind of vpn you are even connecting to... do you know that?
[08:27] <deFrysk> sauld, there is none
[08:27] <deFrysk> afaIk
[08:27] <eliteforce> justin: i dont think cisco
[08:27] <CKv400> deFrysk - you are correct
[08:27] <Seveas> Kejk_PL, do you need a download link?
[08:27] <britt_lwt> nobody's using flickr?
[08:27] <justin> sauld: http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+root+password
[08:27] <eliteforce> justin: our school server uses gentoo
[08:28] <HappyFool> sauld: use 'sudo', with your user password.
[08:28] <niknemm> i want to combine the bandwidth of 3(three) adsl line that i have to a total of 34 users that i have... what program to install?
[08:28] <lsuactiafner> sauld : use passwd root to change it after you login as root
[08:28] <deFrysk> CKv400, /me is always cautious
[08:28] <justin> eliteforce: how do you connect with windows then?
[08:28] <Kejk_PL> Seveas, I wolud be very happy :)
[08:28] <lsuactiafner> niknemm : you mean you want to allocate bandwidth per user?
[08:29] <eliteforce> connections - new connection to my workplace (vpn) - vpn - finished !
[08:29] <Stromks> Hey people
[08:29] <justin> eliteforce: you mean the built in vpn stuff?
[08:29] <kev0r> lsuactiafner: do you know where {%}{@}{!}{<}{>}
[08:29] <kev0r> stands for?
[08:29] <Seveas> Kejk_PL,  pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/linux-image-2.6.10-5-k7_2.6.10-34_i386.deb
[08:29] <Xnalz> just installed ubunutu, how  do I get the desktop to load?
[08:29] <eliteforce> justin: yes i dont need a client or something like this, win does it
[08:29] <r0bby__> CTCP Xalz version
[08:29] <Kejk_PL> Seveas, WTF - binary in source directory? :))
[08:29] <Kejk_PL> confusing
[08:29] <justin> eliteforce: if the server runs linux, it probably runs pptpd, so use pptp-linux to connect
[08:30] <CKv400> nkenemm - I think you need to "bundle" (or some similar term) the 3 connections togeter, and that will require some setup on the other end too (as in the ISP that is providing the 3 lines)
[08:30] <niknemm> lsuactiafner : not really, i just want to make the bandwith biGGER by combine 3 adsl line...hopefully
[08:30] <Seveas> Kejk_PL, the source package for all kernels is linux-source
[08:30] <Seveas> and packages are filed under the name of their source package
[08:30] <eliteforce> justin: yes it uses pptp, but the description of the pptp-linux package says that i need a kernel patch or module
[08:30] <lsuactiafner> kev0r : lost you?
[08:31] <Kejk_PL> Seveas, thank you very much - I'm lost without packages.debian.org
[08:31] <justin> eliteforce: no, it says MPPE (Microsoft Point-to-Point Encryption) support requires that stuff
[08:31] <lsuactiafner> niknemm : not sure.. i think using brctl to make all the devices into one just might help
[08:31] <lsuactiafner> but am really not sure
[08:31] <Seveas> Kejk_PL, you can uses packages.ubuntu.com
[08:31] <eliteforce> justin: ok .. my teacher said i will not work without a kernel patch :|
[08:31] <Seveas> or packages.ubuntulinux.org
[08:32] <lsuactiafner> kernel might be patched already
[08:32] <lsuactiafner> just install and see whats up
[08:32] <sauld> thanks
[08:32] <sauld> i try it
[08:32] <lsuactiafner> CKv400 : dont do that
[08:32] <Kejk_PL> Seveas, heh, now you say me that? :)
[08:32] <eliteforce> http://archive.ubuntu.com/
[08:32] <kev0r> lsuactiafner: convert -resize has some strange vars that can be used, although WidthxHeight worx just fine for how i'm gonna use it, so dun have to know what the other vars mean ;)
[08:33] <r0b> Xnalz: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3784.html
[08:33] <r0b> step in the right direction :)
[08:33] <Seveas> Kejk_PL, i said it before :)
[08:33] <lsuactiafner> kev0r : paste again
[08:33] <kev0r> lsuactiafner: not needed, i love you already :P
[08:33] <Kejk_PL> Seveas, X-chat in Knoppix have very smal font :)
[08:33] <nigh> hello... how to upgrade alsa driver to 1.0.9?
[08:33] <Seveas> :))
[08:33] <lsuactiafner> ok
[08:34] <r0b> Xnalz: that should fix it.
[08:34] <r0b> it seems to address all the things that could have gone wrong
[08:34] <r0b> :)
[08:34] <r0b> enjoy
[08:34] <lsuactiafner> nigh : apt-cache search alsa, then upgrade what you find interesting
[08:35] <lsuactiafner> i got 10 windows open each with a conversation to follow
[08:36] <lsuactiafner> gonna become like a leet multitasking man
[08:36] <ztonzy> anyone knows a tool to grab video from desktop...while doing work ?
[08:36] <r0b> http://ubuntuguide.org/ << somebody should throw this in the topic
[08:36] <r0b> it seems to answer alot of the questions i've seen asked
[08:36] <pmazer> what do i need to install in order to play DVDs?
[08:36] <r0b> http://ubuntuguide.org/ << somebody should throw this in the topic
[08:36] <ztonzy> r0b, :)  even mine ?
[08:36] <r0b> pmazer: check the link i just posted
[08:36] <r0b> perhaps
[08:36] <lsuactiafner> ztonzy : mplayer
[08:36] <ztonzy> :-\
[08:36] <r0b> check it
[08:37] <lsuactiafner> you need to add sources tho
[08:37] <ztonzy> lsuactiafner, no...to grab desktop
[08:37] <lsuactiafner> someone paste the link he needs.
[08:37] <r0b> apt-get install mplayer :P
[08:37] <ztonzy> heh
[08:37] <r0b> http://ubuntuguide.org/ << somebody should throw this in the topic
[08:37] <lsuactiafner> err pmazer : mplayer
[08:37] <ztonzy> I dont want mplayer, I already got it
[08:37] <HappyFool> for DVD watching, also see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:37] <r0b> sry for repeating myself
[08:37] <lsuactiafner> ztonzy : mplayer is leet, make it work for you
[08:37] <r0b> just throwing link and was too lazy to backspace
[08:37] <lsuactiafner> there is totem i think, and xine
[08:37] <ztonzy> lsuactiafner, for what ?
[08:38] <r0b> xine works.
[08:38] <lsuactiafner> but really i hate those programs..
[08:38] <ztonzy> dunno what you trying to say
[08:38] <r0b> OMG
[08:38] <lsuactiafner> ztonzy : err i meant pmazer not you sorry
[08:38] <kev0r> man nautilus is slow on the netwerk
[08:38] <r0b> how to mount ntfs
[08:38] <ztonzy> lsuactiafner, heh
[08:38] <r0b> i saw AT LEAST 3 ppl ask
[08:38] <r0b> so
[08:38] <pmazer> thanks guys
[08:38] <r0b> somebody needs to read ubuntuguide.org :P
[08:38] <Kejk_PL> r0b, write something like thin in /etc/fstab
[08:38] <Kejk_PL> /dev/hda1       /mnt/w2k        ntfs    ro,umask=000,nls=iso8859-2  0       0
[08:39] <Kejk_PL> end create /mnt/w2k directory
[08:39] <Kejk_PL> nls=iso8859-2 option depend on where you live
[08:39] <lsuactiafner> err what about mkdir /mnt/w2k
[08:39] <Miks> if i install a prograb by compilation and then "make install"...then how do i un-install it or remove it?
[08:39] <shady> /dev/dsp does not exist, please help (SBpro)
[08:40] <lsuactiafner> Miks : you dont really
[08:40] <pmazer> r0b: libdvdcss2 isn't avaliable in multiverse or universe... i think that site is out of date on that
[08:40] <lsuactiafner> Miks : the binary takes less than 1mb usually so dont worry
[08:40] <Miks> ohh ok :P thanks
[08:40] <r0b> pmazer: out of date it may be, however
[08:40] <justin> ztonzy: http://live.gnome.org/Istanbul is a new program that does that
[08:40] <r0b> it answers simple questions
[08:40] <lsuactiafner> Miks : but if need be.. updatedb ; locate -i prograb | xargs rm <-- very very very bad idea..
[08:40] <lsuactiafner> but i did it before..
[08:41] <ztonzy> justin, thanks, will look at it
[08:41] <lsuactiafner> but it was very very very risky
[08:41] <goldfish> Miks: some make files support 'make uninstall'
[08:41] <goldfish> or is it make remove?
[08:41] <goldfish> hmm
[08:41] <lsuactiafner> hmmm
[08:41] <lsuactiafner> make clean?
[08:41] <Miks> ohhh...cool, im starting to learn alot about this system..i like it
[08:41] <HappyFool> pmazer: is it not in marillat ? Also, take a look at the link i posted earlier
[08:41] <goldfish> lsuactiafner: nah
[08:41] <lsuactiafner> ive installed so much source but never uninstalled
[08:41] <goldfish> uninstall or remove, one of those...
[08:41] <kev0r> lsuactiafner: sorry to bother you again, do you know a way to get info like the date/time from a file?
[08:41] <goldfish> not all make files support them though
[08:42] <Kejk_PL> HappyFool, marillat packages sometimes need newer libc6
[08:42] <lsuactiafner> its not like windows with spyware, or programsn that make things slower
[08:42] <goldfish> thats the downside of installing from source
[08:42] <lsuactiafner> ls -lh file
[08:42] <goldfish> ls -alh
[08:42] <kev0r> ^o)
[08:42] <kev0r> hehe
[08:42] <lsuactiafner> read man ls for more options
[08:42] <goldfish> lol
[08:42] <goldfish> RTFM !!!
[08:42] <lsuactiafner> lol
[08:42] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> j #debian
[08:42] <goldfish> :)
[08:42] <goldfish> Pop_pa_FrEaK: haha
[08:42] <lsuactiafner> man pages rock
[08:42] <kev0r> ok, thanks :P youre like a walking command-dictionary :P
[08:42] <HappyFool> Kejk_PL: in that case i won't be upgrading anytime soon ;)
[08:42] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> whoops
[08:42] <goldfish> Pop_pa_FrEaK: oh, you were typing it?
[08:43] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> missed the /
[08:43] <lsuactiafner> kev0r : becuase i used slackware for years
[08:43] <goldfish> Pop_pa_FrEaK: ah, i thought you were making a joke :)
[08:43] <lsuactiafner> no dancy desktop automation
[08:43] <goldfish> or maybe you still are...
[08:43] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> lol nope
[08:43] <goldfish> Pop_pa_FrEaK: :)
[08:43] <Kejk_PL> Hackmo, I have at this time problem wiyh newets secure-updated-kernel end libc6 from Sarge
[08:44] <lsuactiafner> who wanted to record X while doing work?
[08:44] <goldfish> no idea, but i would....
[08:44] <lsuactiafner> i think ImageMagick might have a package but not sure.. i just did man import
[08:44] <goldfish> hmmmm
[08:44] <Kejk_PL> cpio: (0xffffe000): Nie ma takiego pliku ani katalogu
[08:44] <Kejk_PL> cpio:   /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7feb000): Nie ma takiego pliku ani katalogu
[08:44] <Kejk_PL> /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: line 1366: /dev/null: Brak dostpu
[08:44] <Kejk_PL> Failed to create initrd image.
[08:44] <goldfish> cool
[08:44] <Kejk_PL> ups
[08:44] <CKv400> I hear VNC has a recorder that makes AVI's out of what it traps
[08:44] <goldfish> lsuactiafner: interesting, i'll have a google about it
[08:45] <pmazer> ah, sorry, i just didn't follow all of the instructions =/
[08:46] <Kejk_PL> time to reboot, bye
[08:46] <swarm> is it possible to run sun jdk 1.5 amd64 on ubuntu hoary? It's hours I try and I haven't found a way. Any hint?
[08:46] <r0b> :)
[08:46] <Razor-X> wow, this place is real.... dead
[08:47] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> who is dead ?
[08:47] <Razor-X> errrr, correction
[08:47] <r0b> x_x
[08:47] <Razor-X> blame my BitchX
[08:47] <r0b> ^^ he is.
[08:47] <r0b> :P
[08:47] <r0b> j/k
[08:47] <Razor-X> It was stuck up 20 page-ups up ;)
[08:47] <goldfish> boo
[08:47] <goldfish> irssi 4va !
[08:47] <Razor-X> and, I didn't quite see the --more-- thing there
[08:47] <Razor-X> goldfish: nva!
[08:48] <r0b> irssi is like hot
[08:48] <goldfish> Razor-X: hehe
[08:48] <r0b> hotter than hot
[08:48] <r0b> :>
[08:48] <Razor-X> but BitchX is hoterester!
[08:48] <goldfish> |(3 (01d.
[08:48] <w0lf] > i have an ntfs partition .. i couldnt see some files.. and i can see them on windows. it s not an encoding problem, anybodyknows anything about it?
[08:49] <r0b> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[08:49] <r0b> your answer is on that page
[08:49] <despeeh> :)
[08:49] <Razor-X> what if it's not/
[08:49] <Razor-X> *?
[08:49] <raptoid> i have an ntfs partition .. i couldnt see some files.. and i can see them on windows. it s not an encoding problem, anybodyknows anything about it?
[08:50] <goldfish> wtf
[08:50] <despeeh> raptoid what have you typed in your fstab
[08:50] <r0b> more specifically : http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[08:50] <Razor-X> raptoid: any special languages you use?
[08:50] <Razor-X> Deep6: not everyone uses fstab
[08:50] <goldfish> r0b: indeed
[08:50] <goldfish> guys guys guys...
[08:50] <Razor-X> I mount manually, as I don't always need my NTFS partition
[08:50] <goldfish> follow r0b's link
[08:50] <Razor-X> no need to waste bootup time with that
[08:50] <Xnalz> I just installed when ever boot, I get the 'joey@ubuntu:~$' prompt, how do i load the the desktop, when I do startx, everything goes black
[08:50] <goldfish> Razor-X: likewise
[08:51] <r0b> no im trying to get people to help themselves without being a total --
[08:51] <goldfish> Xnalz: Did you do a full install?
[08:51] <IIIEars> !guide
[08:51] <ubotu> IIIEars: No idea
[08:51] <IIIEars> Doh!
[08:51] <Xnalz> goldfish: did it through server and then installed the dekstop
[08:51] <r0b> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3784.html
[08:52] <r0b> ^^ no x issue
[08:52] <goldfish> Xnalz: ah right, i just did the exact same thing, got annoyed and did a full install :)
[08:52] <r0b> (the link)
[08:52] <Xnalz> goldfish: for some reason it would not let me do the default install
[08:52] <goldfish> weird
[08:52] <goldfish> god dammit
[08:52] <pmazer> can totem not play DVDs?
[08:52] <goldfish> xp pro just erased my mbr
[08:52] <goldfish> pmazer: vlc
[08:52] <goldfish> dont think it can
[08:52] <goldfish> vlc rocks for dvd's
[08:53] <Xnalz> golffish: it works fine (default) untill it tries to intall the open office then it just dies and sits there for hours
[08:53] <r0b> goldfish: so rewrite it
[08:53] <r0b> :p
[08:53] <despeeh> vlc yeah
[08:53] <goldfish> r0b: hehe, i know :)
[08:53] <Jimmothy> what's the name of the ms fonts package?
[08:53] <r0b> that's xo
[08:53] <r0b> xp
[08:53] <r0b> m$ wants to dominate
[08:53] <Razor-X> vlc kicks arse!
[08:53] <r0b> :)
[08:53] <goldfish> Razor-X: arse? are you irish ? :)
[08:53] <Razor-X> I used to use it for music, but....
[08:53] <goldfish> indeed
[08:54] <Razor-X> goldfish: no, i'm in one of those "don't feel like using the word ass" moods
[08:54] <Kejk_PL> Seveas, it's not problem with kernel :/
[08:54] <goldfish> Razor-X: ah right :)
[08:54] <Razor-X> now I use cplay for music
[08:54] <goldfish> ooh
[08:54] <raptoid> ./dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[08:54] <Razor-X> really nice CLI interface
[08:54] <goldfish> Razor-X: is that the cli program?
[08:54] <Razor-X> yeah
[08:54] <HappyFool> Jimmothy: maybe msttcorefonts ?
[08:54] <goldfish> Razor-X: Deadly, i had forgotten its name, thanks :)
[08:54] <Kejk_PL> Seveas, I've downgraded kernel, but still bug with cpio: can't find file
[08:54] <Raiden> anged.blabber.net
[08:54] <Razor-X> goldfish: it's really really good
[08:54] <Raiden> oops
[08:54] <Razor-X> pretty low on resources too
[08:54] <raptoid> Razor-X
[08:54] <drasko> Is there any software for visual editing databases that translates relational diagrams into sql code to use with MySQL?
[08:54] <raptoid> ./dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[08:54] <Jimmothy> HappyFool: thanks
[08:54] <Razor-X> and, with screen, it's awesome
[08:54] <Razor-X> raptoid: I saw it
[08:55] <raptoid> gotunuze koyim
[08:55] <Razor-X> any special languages you use?
[08:55] <raptoid> ne diyo w0lf]  bunlar
[08:55] <Razor-X> uhhh... I take that as a yes ;)
[08:55] <HappyFool> heh
[08:56] <serbi> zdrvo
[08:56] <kev0r> lsuactiafner: http://www.kev0r.nl/upload/thumbnailer
[08:56] <kev0r> can you look at this for me?
[08:56] <kev0r> i need the files to get the name of DDMMYYHHMMSS
[08:56] <kev0r> .jpg :)
[08:56] <serbi> imali koga
[08:56] <w0lf] > my fstab is like this. ./dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    umask=0222      0       0 and i couldnt see some files.. on my ntfs
[08:56] <w0lf] > system
[08:56] <despeeh> anybody using apache2 http server , and have done some htaccess files?
[08:56] <w0lf] > if you help me.. i ll give you a sweet
[08:57] <lsuactiafner> kev0r : mv file file$date
[08:57] <Foolish> http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/blog/projects/ubuntu/1118337956 <- This is the best ever.
[08:57] <serbi> restelicanin
[08:57] <Razor-X> w0lf] : I believe it's because your NTFS partition uses special language files
[08:57] <lsuactiafner> and define $date
[08:57] <lsuactiafner> read man date
[08:57] <Razor-X> a sweet?
[08:57] <kev0r> ok, i'll try :P
[08:57] <w0lf] > =P
[08:57] <lsuactiafner> and date=`command`
[08:57] <lsuactiafner> but that aint easy
[08:57] <w0lf] > i dont think it s an encoding problem man..
[08:57] <w0lf] > i ll check wait.
[08:57] <raptoid> /media/muzik  ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[08:57] <raptoid> fstab
[08:57] <lsuactiafner> and i dont have a gui atm so cant look @ websites to browse pics
[08:59] <Stormx> sup meh niggas
[08:59] <despeeh> wolf try : /dev/hda1                        /folder/for/mounted/shit        ntfs        ro,umask=0220         0             0
[09:00] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> try lynx
[09:00] <Stormx> lynx?
[09:00] <Stormx> isn't tha a handheld?
[09:00] <HappyFool> i think the ro might be implicit with ntfs
[09:00] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> sudo apt-get lynx console browser
[09:01] <goldfish> links2 is nice
[09:01] <keikoz> hi all
[09:01] <goldfish> links2 is better than lynx actually
[09:02] <goldfish> you wont be able to see pictures though :)
[09:02] <goldfish> hi keikoz
[09:02] <goldfish> Stormx: it's a command-line internet browser
[09:02] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> well anlong that line :} lynx or lynx2
[09:03] <goldfish> hehe
[09:03] <r0b> somebody please do something entertaining
[09:03] <r0b> :(
[09:04] <bartekp> ;)
[09:04] <lsuactiafner> i got lynx already
[09:04] <lsuactiafner> links -G is evil
[09:04] <raptoid> /dev/hda5       /media/muzik  ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[09:04] <raptoid> correct ?
[09:04] <goldfish> r0b: you want entertainment?
[09:04] <lsuactiafner> but i dont have bandwidth for pics
[09:04] <goldfish> ah right
[09:04] <goldfish> lsuactiafner: dialup ?
[09:05] <r0b> :/
[09:05] <e0f> i want to modify /etc/resolv.conf but whe i make pon /etc/resolv.conf return in originally mode, in what mode i change it forever?
[09:05] <ubuntu> wonders if I did something stupid, or is there a known about gnome lasting less than 10 seconds bug in the last couple of days
[09:05] <raptoid> Razor-X, correct ?
[09:05] <raptoid> /dev/hda5       /media/muzik  ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[09:05] <goldfish> e0f: i think one of the bootup scripts does something to resolv.conf
[09:05] <goldfish> hmmm
[09:05] <goldfish> gah, i don't know.
[09:06] <e0f> goldfish: but, in what mode i change /etc/resolv.conf forever?
[09:06] <despeeh> anybody using http tunnel ?
[09:06] <goldfish> e0f: im not sure.
[09:06] <goldfish> havent meesed with resolv.conf
[09:08] <HappyFool> raptoid: that looks correct. which files are you having problems seeing ?
[09:09] <lsuactiafner> any change to /etc/resolv.conf stays
[09:10] <lsuactiafner> but got no idea what pon is
[09:10] <DaSkreech> porn?
[09:10] <DaSkreech> Oh pon
[09:10] <goldfish> pr0n ?
[09:10] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> porn
[09:10] <HappyFool> pon is a pppd (or wvdial ?) startup command
[09:10] <lsuactiafner> suppose sudo chmod a-w /etc/resolv.conf should work
[09:10] <goldfish> heh
[09:10] <DaSkreech> XMMS should be able to handle streams
[09:10] <goldfish> thats one way :)
[09:10] <raptoid> i live this problem only for *.mp3 files.
[09:10] <lsuactiafner> but wvdial doesnt change resolv.conf
[09:10] <raptoid> HappyFool,
[09:11] <goldfish> raptoid: you cant see them? or you cant play them?
[09:11] <HappyFool> afaik pon/poff *do* change resolv.conf to reflect the ISP's DNS settings
[09:11] <Kartagis> hello. I have a question. although I set up a virtual server for port 25 on my router, I can't telnet it. how come? any ideas?
[09:11] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> mp3 format sucks any way.. its outdated and on its way to DRM integration
[09:11] <grover> still trying to understand the gdm/.bash_profile stuff. Ubuntu requires the gnome-terminal option to run command as login shell for .bash_profile to be sourced. Fedora core 3 sources it even without that option set. Which one is correct?
[09:11] <HappyFool> raptoid: can you give an example of a specific filename you can't see/
[09:12] <punkrockguy318> Is there any terminal in ubuntu that supports true transparency using the composite extension?
[09:12] <goldfish> punkrockguy318: em, they all will.
[09:12] <goldfish> punkrockguy318: if you use compositing you can make anything transparent.
[09:12] <raptoid> w0lf] ,
[09:12] <raptoid> konussana a.k
[09:12] <goldfish> well, if u have xcompmgr and transset.
[09:12] <IIIEars>  "FAQ http://ubuntuguide.org/"
[09:12] <punkrockguy318> goldfish, yes, but are there any applications that currently support them natively? So i won't have to transset it every time?
[09:13] <Razor-X> pr0nnnnn!!!!!
[09:13] <Kartagis> raptoid: don't swear
[09:13] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:13] <raptoid> no swear
[09:13] <raptoid> janem
[09:13] <DaSkreech> Pop_pa_FrEaK: HOw do you figure that?
[09:13] <goldfish> punkrockguy318: dont think so, well, not real transparency, aterm supports pseudo-transparency
[09:13] <anto9us> Kartagis: port 25 is normally used for mail servers, I know some ISP's block it to prevent trojan mta's spamming everyone
[09:13] <Kartagis> a.k. is swear. I'm Turkish too, I know
[09:13] <punkrockguy318> goldfish, yes, as does gnome-terminal
[09:13] <spiral> hmmm, am I right... is marillat buggy tonight ?
[09:14] <grover> ah, iyi gunler
[09:14] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> DaSkreech, you never heard bout mp3 makers putting DRM into the coding coming this year ?
[09:14] <ztonzy> I cant install "xvidcap" ,  how to fix that ?
[09:14] <goldfish> punkrockguy318: there is also something called, transset-df (i think) where u can set stuff transparency with your scroll whell, i have been looking for a program that makes everything transparent without having to click it, but have had no joy.
[09:14] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> they want to make it more internet store friendly so they can save the format
[09:14] <Kartagis> anto9us: I know, I set up a mail server
[09:14] <Kartagis> I have dovecot
[09:14] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> besides mp3 is not free
[09:15] <Seveas> ztonzy, what is the error?
[09:15] <goldfish> punkrockguy318: good idea for a project though, something that auto transsets stuff for you.
[09:15] <IIIEars> lol - Pop_pa_Freak - NP - wait 6 months someone will have vracked it.
[09:15] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> Ogg,musepack and Flac are way better then mp3
[09:15] <punkrockguy318> goldfish, yeah... maybe i'll look into that
[09:15] <Razor-X> OGG and FLAC are my favorite formats
[09:15] <Razor-X> I absolutely love FLAC
[09:15] <ztonzy> Seveas, it needs "depends: libavcodec1 but it is not going to be installed"  /  "depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed"
[09:15] <goldfish> punkrockguy318: i was thinking of it too :)
[09:15] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> IIIEars, why crack it when its a crappy format
[09:16] <IIIEars> Pop_, - true
[09:16] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> AAC is even better then it
[09:16] <Kartagis> Pop_pa_FrEaK: but ogg takes more space and you can't play it on windoze
[09:16] <goldfish> someone crack starforce 3 :)
[09:16] <Razor-X> than FLAC?
[09:16] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ogg does not
[09:16] <IIIEars> Except ripping Ogg is slow
[09:16] <_randabis> you can play ogg on windows...
[09:16] <goldfish> flac is hugeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[09:16] <_randabis> wtf are you smoking?
[09:16] <Kartagis> you can?
[09:16] <goldfish> you can play ogg with media windows player :)
[09:16] <Razor-X> goldfish: of course it is
[09:16] <Razor-X> it's lossless
[09:16] <goldfish> Razor-X: true.
[09:16] <Seveas> ztonzy, yeah that's what you get when using unofficial repositories....
[09:16] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> Ogg is smaller then mp3 usually and can achieve better quality at lower bitrates
[09:17] <Kartagis> _randabis: weed :D
[09:17] <Razor-X> but, I like to keep my stuff in lossless, and then burn
[09:17] <ztonzy> Seveas, but xvidcap doesn't exist in offical
[09:17] <_randabis> Kartagis: I see
[09:17] <Razor-X> so, based on the space I have on my MP3 player/what I want to do with my stuff, I compress it accordingly
[09:17] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> Razor-X, you a fan of hydrogenaudio.org ?
[09:17] <Kartagis> _randabis: jk of course
[09:17] <pabl0> somebody knows of some php5 ubuntu packages? or should I compile it?
[09:18] <_randabis> bbs
[09:18] <goldfish> pabl0: apt-cache search "php5" ?
[09:18] <Kartagis> pabl0: apt-cache search php
[09:18] <[koji] > /dev/cdrom: No such file or directory
[09:18] <Razor-X> Pop_pa_FrEaK\; yeah
[09:18] <Razor-X> I lurk there
[09:18] <[koji] > happens when I put entry on hparm.conf to enable dma
[09:18] <Razor-X> i'm looking for some firmware update form y MP3 player, though
[09:18] <pabl0> thnks
[09:18] <Razor-X> *for my
[09:19] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> kewl Razor-X
[09:19] <Razor-X> so that I can play OGGs on it
[09:19] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> me too
[09:19] <ztonzy> Seveas, so there's no videocapture for desktop in official reps ?
[09:19] <anto9us> [koji] : try /dev/hdc
[09:19] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> Razor-X, go get an iRiver
[09:19] <goldfish> ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom  , if it is at hdc
[09:19] <[koji] > anto9us: no effect same on my desktop
[09:19] <Seveas> ztonzy, ENOIDEA, i never did video capturing...
[09:20] <Razor-X> Pop_pa_FrEaK: how much do they cost?
[09:20] <ztonzy> Seveas, hmmm
[09:20] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> depends on what one you get
[09:20] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> they got a big variety
[09:20] <Razor-X> what's the cheapest?
[09:20] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> one sec
[09:20] <goldfish> iRivers are nice
[09:21] <DaSkreech> ipod
[09:21] <goldfish> boooooo
[09:21] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> you want hard drive based ?
[09:21] <Seveas> ipod beats iriver
[09:21] <ztonzy> Seveas, thanks anyway
[09:21] <kev0r> lsuactiafner: Hey, got the date thing under control, now i need to put that in a var, cannot do var = date -r name blababala
[09:21] <kev0r> any other ideas?
[09:21] <justin> ztonzy: what was wrong with Istanbul?
[09:21] <Razor-X> Pop_pa_FrEaK: more expensive?
[09:21] <Seveas> kev0r, VARNAME=`date -r`
[09:22] <ztonzy> justin, it need higher gstreamer than in ubuntu
[09:22] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> yea usually
[09:22] <punkrockguy318> goldfish, want to talk about maybe throwing together a program that will accomplish this?
[09:22] <HappyFool> try var=$(date -r name)  (or whatever your command is)
[09:22] <Razor-X> then, no ;)
[09:22] <ztonzy> justin, ---> " configure: error: Library requirements (gstreamer-0.8 >= 0.8.10) not met "
[09:22] <Razor-X> oooh, the iFP-880 is $79.99... but it hsa 128 MB storage -_-
[09:23] <kev0r> Seveas: it saves the 'command -xxx file' as a string :)
[09:23] <Kartagis> does apt-get have a function like "also add it to the menu"?
[09:23] <kev0r> that's not the idea, it still needs to run the command
[09:23] <justin> ztonzy: oh :-)
[09:23] <Razor-X> *has
[09:23] <goldfish> punkrockguy318: hehe, em... i dunno, im not a great programmer
[09:23] <lsuactiafner> apt-get build-dep gstreamer
[09:23] <punkrockguy318> goldfish, alright
[09:23] <goldfish> punkrockguy318: well, im alright, im a n00b at C though...
[09:23] <HappyFool> kev0r: those are 'backticks'
[09:24] <nelsong> hello, I'm having some issues with avi playback with totem-gstreamer, I installed gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg, but the playback is too slow. I tried with totem-xine and mplayer and they both work great. Any ideas on what's going on with that?
[09:24] <ztonzy> justin, eh :)
[09:24] <punkrockguy318> goldfish, oh.. it would definately have to be written in c
[09:24] <HappyFool> kev0r: ' is not the same as `. Otherwise, just use $()
[09:24] <goldfish> punkrockguy318: yeah
[09:24] <kev0r> ooooh ok :D
[09:24] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> Razor-X, 299.99 for a 20 gig
[09:24] <kev0r> worx HappyFool :x
[09:24] <kev0r> love you ;)
[09:24] <Seveas> kev0r, `date -r` means execute that and return the output
[09:24] <kev0r> but not in a gay way
[09:25] <kev0r> yes it works, but with the ` not the '
[09:25] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> Razor-X, but the 399.99 one is the one that plays Ogg
[09:25] <Razor-X> no, they all play OGG
[09:25] <knoppix> Ubuntu still can't boot, even after kernel andlibc6  downgrade (prabably because that in chroot I can't make mkinitrd...)
[09:25] <Razor-X> as far as I can tell
[09:25] <knoppix> what should I do?
[09:25] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> http://www.iriveramerica.com/prod/hd/h300.aspx  <--- 40 gig version
[09:26] <Razor-X> http://www.iriveramerica.com/prod/ultra/800/
[09:26] <Razor-X> I have about $89 saved up
[09:27] <HappyFool> knoppix: if you so desparately need sarge's libc6, why don't you just run sarge instead of ubuntu? won't it make your life easier?
[09:27] <knoppix> HappyFool, now I can't (my name was Kejk_PL, forgot to change)
[09:28] <Kejk_PL> HappyFool, I have to boot ububtu today, but in chroot I don't have prmitions to /dev
[09:29] <justin> Kejk_PL: stop using screwed up knoppix cds and use an ubuntu cd
[09:30] <Kejk_PL> justin, this could be solution, but I borrowed it :)
[09:30] <justin> Kejk_PL: mount the drive manually, don't touch anything in /mnt in knoppix
[09:30] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> Razor-X, I think they sell those at Cosco
[09:30] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> or price club
[09:30] <jetscreamer> i got the breezy dvd to run live after a bit of fiddlin
[09:31] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> whatever you call it
[09:31] <stuNNed> ok exchange plugin is givne me probs
[09:32] <nelsong> stuNNed, it always does.
[09:32] <Seveas> Kejk_PL, ubuntu and knoppix are too different, try an Ubuntu livecd
[09:32] <bokko> why does the ubuntu grub not see freebsd and how would I go about adding freebsd to the bootloader?
[09:32] <Seveas> bokko, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:32] <nobile> brb reboot
[09:33] <Kejk_PL> justin, eureka _ start udev in chroot! :)
[09:33] <stuNNed> nelsong: have you got it working?
[09:33] <bokko> Seveas: tried that hda0 root hd0,0 its on partition 1 had some sort of boot error
[09:34] <bokko> Seveas: if freebsd is already installed, shouldn't ubuntu grub see it and add it?
[09:34] <Seveas> bokko, read the grub manual to find out what the error means
[09:34] <nelsong> stuNNed, it works most of the time.
[09:34] <Seveas> and also freebsd uses disks, slices and partitions...
[09:34] <nelsong> have to leave it overnight or it'll take forever to load.
[09:34] <Seveas> so it has other boot options
[09:34] <stuNNed> nelsong: could you possibly provide soem assistance?
[09:34] <sloppy> is changing which GRUB uses as default very hard?
[09:35] <nelsong> sure, at least I'll try
[09:35] <Seveas> sloppy, no
[09:35] <stuNNed> nelsong: /query ok?
[09:35] <bokko> Seveas: oh, well other linux distro grubs added it succesfully, just thought it was odd ubuntu would not recognize it at the install
[09:35] <nelsong> go ahead
[09:35] <sloppy> is there a wiki or faq about it?
[09:35] <Seveas> bokko, i don't know whether it should auto-recognize it ;0
[09:35] <bokko> Seveas: is that something bugworthy for the listserv?
[09:35] <Kejk_PL> Seveas, I'll try
[09:36] <Kejk_PL> Seveas, I have no other choice
[09:36] <onekill> anyone running dual monitors? /w ubuntu
[09:36] <Seveas> bokko, you could ask whether it should before calling it a bug ;)
[09:36] <onekill> I have a ati 9600 and would like to set mine up
[09:36] <Seveas> sloppy, what exactly do you want to change?
[09:37] <goldfish> the default os to boot into when nothing is selected?
[09:37] <sloppy> well by default grub boots into ubuntu, I'd like to change it to boot by default into xp
[09:37] <sloppy> yeah
[09:37] <bokko> Seveas: thats true, is ubuntu using an old grub distribution?
[09:37] <Seveas> SloMo, there is a line in /boot/grub/menu/list that starts with default
[09:37] <Seveas> change that line :)
[09:37] <goldfish> yeah
[09:37] <sloppy> thanks
[09:37] <goldfish> Seveas: lol nice name-changing :)
[09:38] <Howitzer> pfoe
[09:38] <r0b> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1568842031/qid=1118344833/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/002-4374478-6927264?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
[09:38] <r0b> HAHAH
[09:38] <r0b> fun
[09:38] <r0b> :P
[09:38] <Howitzer> wine kind of sucks :/
[09:38] <r0b> :P
[09:38] <r0b> funny
[09:38] <bokko> slow?
[09:38] <Howitzer> does anyone know about a good wine replacement?
[09:38] <lsuactiafner> wine is very good @ doing what it does..
[09:38] <Seveas> Howitzer, qemu?
[09:38] <Howitzer> well, 8/10 of the things i do with wine fails
[09:39] <lsuactiafner> because its insanely difficult
[09:39] <justin> Howitzer: champagne ?
[09:39] <goldfish> Howitzer: what u trying to run?
[09:39] <Howitzer> ehh
[09:39] <Kejk_PL> Seveas, Kubuntu Live-CD will be good?
[09:39] <Howitzer> games :p
[09:39] <lsuactiafner> Howitzer : just run a virtual machine with vmware
[09:39] <goldfish> Howitzer: cedega?
[09:39] <Seveas> Kejk_PL, sure :)
[09:39] <Howitzer> hmm
[09:39] <keikoz> there is something better for games
[09:39] <hajiki> does anyone else get sounds from gaim even after they hit mute on the gnome panel?
[09:39] <Howitzer> i'll try Cedega
[09:39] <Howitzer> keikoz, what?
[09:39] <goldfish> cedega is better for gamnes
[09:39] <IIIEars> Seveas - what is the command to make grub "remember" the choice on last boot?
[09:39] <Kejk_PL> Seveas, I'm dizzy now
[09:39] <keikoz> cedega ^^
[09:39] <justin> IIIEars: savedefault?
[09:39] <Howitzer> i'm seriously having  MoH:AA Cold Turkey :/
[09:40] <IIIEars> justin - Thanks
[09:40] <justin> Howitzer: MoH is quake3, and runs in linux
[09:40] <Howitzer> Oo
[09:40] <Howitzer> it doesn't :/
[09:40] <Howitzer> i tried
[09:40] <Howitzer> or
[09:40] <Howitzer> wait
[09:40] <justin> yeah, and http://www.icculus.org/~ravage/mohaa/ is just me imagining things
[09:40] <Howitzer> how could i get it to work
[09:41] <Howitzer> argh
[09:41] <Howitzer> i don't have the US version :'(
[09:41] <Howitzer> stupid dutchies =(
[09:41] <rift-> Anyone in here run ati radeon card w/ fglrx?
[09:41] <IIIEars> ubotu icculus is "http://www.icculus.org/~ravage/mohaa/"
[09:41] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay
[09:41] <rift-> I just installed it and I am having some problems.
[09:42] <shortround> hi i just installed ubuntu and it won't load up
[09:42] <shortround> it starts to load and goes to a blank screen
[09:42] <onekill> i am running ati with fglrx
[09:42] <goldfish> shortround: nvidia card?
[09:42] <IIIEars> ubotu icculus
[09:42] <ubotu> IIIEars: Are you smoking crack?
[09:42] <Howitzer> lol
[09:42] <shortround> goldfish: yeah
[09:42] <onekill> i am just trying to figure out how to dual monitor
[09:42] <shortround> gforce 2
[09:42] <Seveas> hmm
[09:42] <despeeh> cinerama
[09:42] <goldfish> shortround: you need to get the nvidia drivers
[09:42] <IIIEars> !guide
[09:42] <ubotu> IIIEars: I give up, what is it?
[09:42] <HappyFool> !icculus
[09:43] <rift-> My 3d accelleration works fine, it is just that I can't switch terminals at all when using fglrx, but the radeon module works fine
[09:43] <IIIEars> !FAQ
[09:43] <ubotu> IIIEars: I don't know
[09:43] <Seveas> someone teach ubotu manners...
[09:43] <lsuactiafner> onekill : nvidia site.. read the README
[09:43] <enplo00> when i try to install totem-gstreamer, the package manager warns that ubuntu-desktop will be removed (it depends on totem, which is provided by totem-xine, which will be replaced by totem-gstreamer). anyone know if proceeding will result in problems?
[09:43] <goldfish> shortround: www.ubuntuguide.org  <- read the nvidia bit
[09:43] <Howitzer> OMFG
[09:43] <Howitzer> GUILD WARS
[09:43] <shortround> thankyou
[09:43] <Howitzer> \ o /
[09:43] <IIIEars> !ubuntu
[09:43] <ubotu> Wish i knew, IIIEars
[09:43] <goldfish> shortround: do you know how to get a terminal from the blank screen?
[09:43] <shortround> nope
[09:43] <onekill> it will work with ati?
[09:43] <goldfish> shortround: ctrl+alt+f2
[09:43] <Seveas> goldfish, <ctrl><alt><f1>
[09:43] <onekill> or just the same process?
[09:43] <shortround> thankyou
[09:43] <Seveas> f1 through f6 are terminals
[09:43] <goldfish> aye
[09:43] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> lsuactiafner, he has an ati card not an nvidia
[09:44] <Howitzer> i'm still having sound problems :(
[09:44] <goldfish> onekill: tried searching ubuntuforums.org ?
[09:44] <bokko> does ubuntu's mount point for a partition install always have to be /   ?
[09:44] <onekill> yea still searching as i type
[09:44] <lsuactiafner> bokko : no.. during install goto alt f2 then mkdir /target
[09:44] <r0b> we need to put that in topic
[09:44] <onekill> i have found stuff about matrox cards and navida cards
[09:44] <r0b> the guide
[09:44] <lsuactiafner> and mount install_partition /target
[09:44] <lsuactiafner> its ugly tho
[09:45] <lsuactiafner> there might be a better solution
[09:45] <r0b> it provides alot of information
[09:45] <rift-> i cant get to any terminals
[09:45] <Seveas> r0b, except that it's blatantly wrong about a lot...
[09:45] <rift-> with fglrx :(
[09:45] <rift-> anyone see this
[09:45] <r0b> regardless
[09:45] <r0b> it provides information
[09:45] <rift-> i got a 9800 pro radeon
[09:45] <bokko> lsuactiafner: other linux distros complain if there is another / mount point
[09:45] <HappyFool> Seveas: really? like?
[09:45] <Seveas> r0b, misinformation is wrong than no information...
[09:45] <r0b> which points users in the direction they need to do
[09:45] <Howitzer> is Cedega free? :/
[09:45] <Seveas> HappyFool, the java howto is crap
[09:45] <Seveas> and other things too
[09:46] <IIIEars> Howitzer no but it's cheap.
[09:46] <r0b> the ntfs stuff for example
[09:46] <Howitzer> ah crap
[09:46] <r0b> that seems to be an FAQ around here
[09:46] <^DM> crap
[09:46] <Howitzer> as a 15year old i can't pay :(
[09:46] <HappyFool> Seveas: hmm. interesting.
[09:46] <Howitzer> argh
[09:46] <paringas> i changed where my swap partition is, now get kernel panics. what config file do i edit fot the thing to initialize swap poperly on boot? thanks
[09:46] <spanglesontoast> how do I see video that is coming into my machine through my radeon 9200?
[09:46] <IIIEars> Howitzer - i am not too sure but i think they take paypal.
[09:46] <bokko> lsuactiafner: whats the line foir the bootmanager to load if you set the mount point to say /ubuntu on hda1?
[09:46] <chaps0063> hello, I am new to ubuntu and I was wondering how I can get k3b to burn cds because it says it is missing cdrdao.
[09:47] <Howitzer> IIIEars i'm 15, i don't have  paypal acc :(
[09:47] <r0b> so install cdrdao
[09:47] <rift-> paringas, mkswap /dev/sdX\
[09:47] <rift-> swapon /dev/sdX
[09:47] <chaps0063> package cdrdao has no installation candidate
[09:47] <lsuactiafner> bokko root=/dev/hda1 but not sure about the /ubuntu...
[09:47] <lsuactiafner> hmmmm
[09:48] <lsuactiafner> ask in ubuntu-devel , they tend to know more
[09:48] <r0b> chaps0063: google
[09:48] <r0b> grab it
[09:48] <bokko> lsuactiafner: thats the mount point I was going to make
[09:48] <paringas> rift-: thanks
[09:48] <chaps0063> r0b, build it from source?
[09:48] <rift-> np
[09:49] <chaps0063> r0b, will the rpm work?
[09:49] <paringas> rift-: btw do i have to chroot into my root partition from the bootable cd for that?
[09:49] <HappyFool> chaps0063: cdrdao is in universe
[09:49] <rift-> So no one is experiencing problems switching terminals from X with a radeon card and fglrx?  I have seen this on the forums before, curious if you guys know a solution...
[09:49] <IIIEars> Howitzer - Tell your parents you would like to learn about credit and financial responsibility - You'll have a paypal acct within an hour. ;)
[09:49] <HappyFool> chaps0063: so you should be able to install it using synaptic
[09:49] <Howitzer> lol
[09:49] <rift-> paringas, boot up in single user mode... press e to edit your grub line and append a 1 to go into single user mode
[09:49] <rift-> then do that
[09:49] <chaps0063> HappyFool, never used synaptic
[09:49] <Howitzer> i tried that once and they signed me in for a job in the vacation
[09:50] <HappyFool> chaps0063: are you running ubuntu or kubuntu ?
[09:50] <IIIEars> ouch! - lol
[09:50] <chaps0063> ubuntu
[09:50] <HappyFool> chaps0063: how did you install k3b ?
[09:50] <chaps0063> apt-get install
[09:50] <paringas> rift-: single panics too
[09:50] <rift-> use failsafe then
[09:50] <HappyFool> chaps0063: ok, well, you can use apt-get install for cdrdao as well
[09:50] <rift-> you shouldn't be panicking just b/c you dont have a swap partition
[09:51] <rift-> you can run w/o swap
[09:51] <chaps0063> HappyFool, I do that but then it tells me its not available.
[09:51] <HappyFool> chaps0063: synaptic is just a GUI interface to similar functionality
[09:51] <chaps0063> HappyFool, i see.
[09:51] <HappyFool> chaps0063: you need to make sure 'universe' is enabled
[09:51] <lsuactiafner> bokko : in fstab make the / into /ubuntu
[09:51] <chaps0063> HappyFool, how do I go about that?
[09:51] <lsuactiafner> err
[09:51] <rift-> brb bathroom
[09:51] <r0b> chaps0063: rpm, no
[09:51] <lsuactiafner> no
[09:51] <lsuactiafner> doubt it will work
[09:51] <r0b> grab the deb package
[09:51] <chaps0063> r0b, ok.
[09:51] <HappyFool> chaps0063: i presume you edited /etc/apt/sources.list at some point ?
[09:51] <chaps0063> HappyFool, this was all default, didn't edit it at all.
[09:52] <r0b> when i get home i'm grabbing breezy
[09:52] <chaps0063> HappyFool, ok, just uncommented them.
[09:52] <chaps0063> HappyFool, thanks.,
[09:52] <HappyFool> chaps0063: ok, apt-get update and apt-get install cdrdao, and you should be up and running
[09:53] <chaps0063> got it.
[09:53] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> hats diff on breezy isnt it all unstable/expermential
[09:53] <^thehatsrule^> CKv400, pls stop the on join poke script please, thanks :P
[09:54] <chaps0063> is there anyway to adjust the brightness on the lcd on my laptop as well as speed stepping for my centrino processor
[09:54] <paringas> well, all i did was change a couple of things in windows with partition magic. swap is still on the same primary partition but logical and i haven't changed anything else.
[09:55] <paringas> paringas: edit: to rift-
[09:55] <shortround> hey goldfish
[09:55] <shortround> if i hit ctrl + alt + f2
[09:55] <goldfish> chaps0063: might be some speed stuff on ubuntuforums
[09:55] <shortround> and it just stays blank...
[09:55] <BockBilbo> i have a problem with file permissions. After configuring the owner and the chmod level to certain folders of a partition, if I reboot the pc, they are not mantained
[09:55] <rift-> paringas, you should still be able to boot even if swap isnbt defined
[09:55] <BockBilbo> does anyone have a clue of why that happens?
[09:55] <chaps0063> goldfish, ok, thanks.
[09:55] <Gadi> hey, has anyone successfully changed the default umask?
[09:55] <Gadi> logindefs doesn't seem to work :(
[09:55] <HappyFool> BockBilbo: which files?
[09:56] <paringas> rift-: dunno, man, it panics with memory i/o error
[09:56] <BockBilbo> HappyFool, some files from my web server
[09:56] <shortround> hey goldfish, i hit ctrl alt f2 and it stays at a blank screen.
[09:56] <shortround> do i just type blindly?
[09:56] <goldfish> shortround: emm ok, try <ctrl><alt><f1> then <ctrl><alt><f2> m i had to press em a ferw times to .....
[09:56] <shortround> ah
[09:56] <shortround> kk
[09:56] <BockBilbo> i want to remove some read permissions so normal user dont read some info
[09:56] <BockBilbo> and dont know why the config is not mantained
[09:56] <rift-> paringas, you have to find some way to boot into either failsafe or rescue mode
[09:56] <HappyFool> BockBilbo: hmm, ok, no idea. i think the /dev/* files have special permission magic, but otherwise i don't know
[09:56] <rift-> or use the live cd or something
[09:56] <rift-> so you can get to a shell
[09:57] <shortround> sigh
[09:57] <shortround> nothing
[09:57] <shortround> :(
[09:57] <goldfish> shortround: hmmmmmm
[09:57] <BockBilbo> ,, thanks HappyFool
[09:57] <goldfish> shortround: you could try booting into recovery mode and trying it?
[09:58] <shortround> alright
[09:58] <paringas> rift-: i suppose i could try and chroot into a dead partition. it could be that partition magic's done smth to the boot partition "not intentionally" too :)
[09:58] <rift-> ya  paringas sounds like something is screwed... just removing your swap wouldnt do that.
[09:58] <rift-> how much physical ram do you have
[09:59] <paringas> 128
[09:59] <IIIEars> !swappiness
[09:59] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, IIIEars
[09:59] <rift-> 128 should be enough to get you to single user mode
[09:59] <HappyFool> parse error? eh? *pokes bot*
[09:59] <paringas> single and normal come up with the same error
[10:00] <paringas> so i think they're not kernel image specific
[10:00] <Howitzer> does anybody know how i can 'apt-get install' kubuntu?
[10:00] <rift-> try to boot to with the live cd and fix it
[10:00] <goldfish> Howitzer: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:00] <goldfish> afaik
[10:01] <Howitzer> because synaptic only installs certain packages and i can't select the kubuntu desktop on the login screen
[10:01] <paringas> yeah, that's what i've done but i wasn't sure what commands to run so i booted back into windoze and asked here :)
[10:01] <paringas> i'll try it now
[10:01] <rift-> do those swap commands I told you
[10:01] <Howitzer> why does everyone say windoze instead of windows? :x
[10:01] <rift-> it is bindows
[10:01] <rift-> not windoze!
[10:01] <rift-> well according to the people who work here with heavy paki/indian accents ;)
[10:01] <Howitzer> lol
[10:02] <rift-> so basically i think so that the problem is you are running bindows xp (direct quote"
[10:02] <rift-> )
[10:02] <Howitzer> my English teacher(pc-freak)once wrote on the blackboard 'James opened the Windows'
[10:02] <goldfish> Howitzer: you sel;ect kde on login not kubuntu desktop
[10:03] <Howitzer> well
[10:03] <Howitzer> oh
[10:03] <Howitzer> ehh
[10:04] <emanuelez> what font's packages should i install for latex editing? i miss fonts like cmsy6 in dvi2ps conversion. any hint?
[10:05] <chez> could someone help me out with ripping and burning dvd movies in ubuntu
[10:06] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> to ....
[10:06] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> vob to avi ?
[10:06] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> chez
[10:06] <chez> no backing them up
[10:06] <chez> to dvr - equivalent to dvddecrrypter  and shrink in windoze
[10:06] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> well when i used mandrake there was whats called dvdshrink a guy made
[10:06] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> linux
[10:07] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> hold on
[10:07] <jaakko> CFLAGS environment variable???
[10:07] <sw> hello. how to install latest alsa driver?
[10:08] <chez> synaptic
[10:08] <chez> sw: use synaptic to just update what's installed
[10:08] <sw> i need newer
[10:08] <sw> one
[10:08] <goldfish> jaakko: hello?
[10:09] <sw> i need 1.0.9 to get support to my intel HDA
[10:09] <chez> sw: then you could download and build the source from the alsa-project but its hard going
[10:09] <lsuactiafner> jaakko : depends on your cpu
[10:09] <lsuactiafner> ./configure should detect a correct setting
[10:09] <lsuactiafner> but i prefer to use the best setting
[10:09] <jaakko> trying  to compile eet and it tells me... "configure: error: "Cannot find jpeglib.h. Make sure your CFLAGS environment variable contains include lines for the location of this file"
[10:10] <lsuactiafner> search for something like Safe_Cflags
[10:10] <lsuactiafner> heh
[10:10] <lsuactiafner> umm
[10:10] <lsuactiafner> apt-cache search jpeglib
[10:10] <lsuactiafner> and apt-get install jpeglib
[10:10] <sw> chez, i tried but it was failed
[10:10] <jaakko> didn't find anything
[10:10] <lsuactiafner> and apt-get build-dep eet
[10:10] <lsuactiafner> also.. cat /proc/cpuinfo tell me what chip you got
[10:10] <chez> sw: what, wouldn't build or install?
[10:11] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> chez : looks lilke there is  new dvdshrink but for mdk sorry
[10:11] <wulfepup> hey guys .. quick query before I have to shut down due to t-storms...
[10:11] <shortround> goldfish: after i input "sudo gedit /usr/share/applications/NVIDIA-Settings.desktop
[10:11] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> http://dvdshrink.sourceforge.net/
[10:11] <shortround> "
[10:11] <shortround> how do i edit the file?
[10:11] <chez> cheers freak, but I need somrthing for ubuntu, under gnome
[10:11] <shortround> since it tells me that it can't display gedit
[10:11] <sw> chez, i did configure, then i did make, then make install
[10:12] <wulfepup> Anyone know of a Linux prog that can open Corel Word perfect docs? (.wpd)
[10:12] <chez> sw: so what didn't work? the make install
[10:13] <chez> anyone else know how I can back up dvd movies in ubuntu
[10:13] <lsuactiafner> libjpeg-progs looks like it might have a lib ifyou build-dep it
[10:13] <lsuactiafner> chez : mplayer
[10:13] <sw> chez, i tried this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[10:13] <Darkjay> Gello :)
[10:14] <shido> i hate this stupid line on my main screen
[10:14] <psychonate> I came home to find my computer totally frozen.
[10:14] <shido> when I play a movie out to the tv
[10:14] <psychonate> That makes me very, very angry.
[10:14] <Ker_durruti> buenas
[10:14] <Ker_durruti> ke tal
[10:14] <shido> with the radeon card
[10:14] <Ker_durruti> a todo el mundo
[10:14] <Ker_durruti> e
[10:14] <Ker_durruti> s
[10:14] <Ker_durruti> t
[10:14] <Ker_durruti> a
[10:14] <Ker_durruti> i
[10:14] <Ker_durruti> s
[10:14] <Ker_durruti>  bien?
[10:14] <chez> lsuactiafner: mplayer, really? how would I go about doing that?
[10:14] <Seveas> Ker_durruti, we speak english in here
[10:14] <psychonate> If it happens again, I will slay a small family.
[10:14] <lsuactiafner> mencoder dvd://1 -o titel2.avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:mbd=1:vbitrate=1800 -oac copy
[10:14] <lsuactiafner> mencoder (;
[10:14] <lsuactiafner> its part of mplayer
[10:14] <psychonate> lsuactiafner, why not use dvd::rip?
[10:14] <Ker_durruti> juas
[10:14] <Ker_durruti> en englis dice
[10:14] <lsuactiafner> dvd://1 might be dvd://2-whatever
[10:14] <Fingertips> hi
[10:15] <lsuactiafner> psychonate : i like the command line
[10:15] <psychonate> lsuactiafner, have you ever used dvd::rip?
[10:15] <Ker_durruti> ESTAIS LOCOS
[10:15] <lsuactiafner> and -force-avi-aspect 1.7 is also nice to add
[10:15] <sw> chez, first way does not work... i think. the second way has spoiled my ubuntu system... so i had to reinstall it
[10:15] <chez> dvdrip is command line too isn't it
[10:15] <lsuactiafner> psychonate : no idea, but i did get the source once
[10:15] <HiddenWolf> My thunderbird suddenly won't start, something about the profile being in use. how can I fix this?
[10:15] <Fingertips> How do i set up UBuntu with KDE?
[10:15] <psychonate> lsuactiafner, try it. It is fantastic.
[10:16] <Seveas> Fingertips, aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[10:16] <chez> sw: right, not sure what to suggest tbh - buit of a newb
[10:16] <wulfepup> Fingertips: you could grab Kubuntu?
[10:16] <Seveas> or install from a kubuntu cd :)
[10:16] <gezanda> hi...sorry for the question i need ti enter in a russai room i need ti speak with some russia people...somebody can help me???
[10:17] <Fingertips> Seveas, what is aptitude, i just moved from fedora is that like yum?
[10:17] <shortround> how do i save a file in vi
[10:17] <psychonate> lsuactiafner, for instance, it uses imagemagick and mplayer to grab a screen, and then you can clip that image with your mouse to get the clip values for the encode. It also has a built-in bitrate calculator you can play with. It's very nice.
[10:17] <Seveas> Fingertips, yes
[10:17] <^thehatsrule^> shortround, :w
[10:17] <mindspin> shortround :wq
[10:17] <mindspin> oops
[10:17] <shortround> wq?
[10:17] <mindspin> q is for quit
[10:17] <^thehatsrule^> to save and quit use :wq or :x
[10:17] <shortround> : = ?
[10:17] <psychonate> lsuactiafner, IMO it's a GUI that actually *does* make things easier.
[10:17] <^thehatsrule^> shortround, press esc, then colon then letter
[10:18] <^thehatsrule^> or altshift colon
[10:18] <mindspin> try to get vim
[10:18] <wulfepup> I need to learn vi so I can play with Vigor
[10:18] <Seveas> wulfepup, vimtutor
[10:18] <Seveas> :)
[10:18] <nobile> brb lunchtime
[10:19] <lsuactiafner> packagename for it?
[10:19] <lsuactiafner> search dvd doesnt show it?
[10:19] <shortround> ah
[10:19] <shortround> ok
[10:19] <shortround> where do i put the filename in there?
[10:19] <wulfepup> Seveas: apt-get install vimtutor?
[10:19] <psychonate> lsuactiafner, dvdrip
[10:19] <Seveas> wulfepup, no, it's already there
[10:19] <Seveas> part of vim :)
[10:19] <psychonate> lsuactiafner, might need to add some repositories. I'm not sure which it's in.
[10:20] <shortround> when i do :wq in vi, where do i put the filename? or how to i give it one
[10:20] <Seveas> shortround, :w filename
[10:20] <lsuactiafner> dvdrip depends on mplayer ect
[10:20] <lsuactiafner> annoying
[10:20] <shortround> thanks
[10:20] <Imical> installed ubuntu and on load I got setting up ubuntu-desktop..
[10:20] <Fingertips> Seveas, after I install this do I have to restaert
[10:20] <psychonate> lsuactiafner, add the marillat repository
[10:20] <lsuactiafner> since i compiled mplayer myself and dont want things overwritten
[10:20] <psychonate> for transcode
[10:20] <Seveas> Fingertips, no
[10:21] <Seveas> just logout from gnome and login to KDE :)
[10:21] <psychonate> lsuactiafner, you can install it yourself then with packages from their site. It's just perl.
[10:21] <lsuactiafner> marillat is there already.. but it did complain about transcode tho
[10:21] <jetscreamer> jsut use marillat
[10:21] <Seveas> you might need to restart the X server
[10:21] <psychonate> lsuactiafner, you'd have to get the deps yourself though.
[10:21] <lsuactiafner> i'll just install myself
[10:21] <Seveas> jetscreamer, NO
[10:21] <Imical> then 'W: Couldn't stat sorurce packages list http://balh balh- stat(2 no such file or directory'
[10:21] <lsuactiafner> much easier
[10:21] <jetscreamer> ok
[10:21] <Seveas> marillat is not good anymore now sarge is released
[10:21] <Imical> anyone knwo what might be wrong?
[10:21] <Seveas> causes heaps of dependency problems
[10:21] <Fingertips> Seveas, does this come with my ATi drivers and stuff installed
[10:21] <psychonate> I still do not know why I came home to a frozen system.
[10:21] <Seveas> Imical, run apt-get update
[10:22] <psychonate> I don't see anything in the logs.
[10:22] <Seveas> Fingertips, ati drivers do not care whether you run kubuntu or ubuntu
[10:22] <Seveas> if it works now, it will work in kde too
[10:22] <Xannix> I am getting the following error in verbose mode xine: found demuxer plugin: MPEG program stream demux plugin audio_decoder: no plugin available to handle 'MPEG layer 2/3
[10:22] <chez> having trouble installing dvdrip, unresolved dependencies
[10:22] <Xannix> But yet w32codecs like WMV work ??
[10:23] <chez> there is dvdbackup also
[10:23] <Imical> seveas: got ' E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (12 permission denired)
[10:23] <Seveas> Xannix, mp3 too?
[10:23] <psychonate> chez, do you have transcode from the marillat repos?
[10:23] <Seveas> Imical, close all other programs that install things... (synaptic, aptitude, update manager etc...)
[10:24] <Xannix> Seveas, I would suspect let me check
[10:24] <Fingertips> Seveas, how do I install wine on this baby
[10:24] <Imical> seveas: i jsut installed how do I know whats open and how do i close what is installed?
[10:24] <CarlFK> breezy - how do I not boot into X?  I thought it was id:2:initdefault: but that seems to be the default that takes me into X
[10:24] <Seveas> Fingertips, sudo aptitude install wine winecfg
[10:24] <Seveas> CarlFK, you do know that X in breezy is heavily buggy?
[10:24] <stars> how can my friend fix this "failed to locate cdrom device" when trying to install ubuntu?
[10:25] <Seveas> CarlFK, update-rc.d will help you
[10:25] <CarlFK> Seveas - yeah - testing some isa stuff
[10:25] <shortround> hmmm- now that i did the nvidia drivers thing, i get errors about xserver
[10:25] <shortround> :(
[10:26] <lsuactiafner> transcode doesn seem to be on apt-get?
[10:26] <lsuactiafner> my repositoryis correct
[10:26] <lsuactiafner>  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[10:26] <chez> psychonate: nope can I get that through apt-get?
[10:26] <potsed> hi,
[10:27] <potsed> plz help a noob
[10:27] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, matillat should not be used...
[10:27] <Fingertips> Seveas, when I did that command it says it couldnt find any packages whos name or description mathched "winecfg"
[10:27] <lsuactiafner> Seveas ?
[10:28] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, marillat can cause dependency problems on hoary
[10:28] <Seveas> Fingertips, enable universe
[10:28] <CarlFK> Seveas - mind soon feeding me the update-rc.d command I need?
[10:28] <Seveas> oh and it is winetools, sorry :)
[10:28] <CarlFK> soon?  spoon.
[10:28] <Seveas> CarlFK, man update-rc.d :)
[10:28] <lsuactiafner> heh thats ok i compile almost everything myself but for libs that i need to compile with
[10:29] <Fingertips> Seveas, Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "winecfg"
[10:29] <Fingertips> Seveas, tahts the error Ig get
[10:29] <Seveas> update-rc.d -n [name of service]  remove
[10:29] <CarlFK> Seveas - did that, couldn't really figure out what to do next
[10:29] <Seveas> oh and it is winetools, sorry :) <-- Fingertips
[10:29] <potsed> have bin using hoary, was trying to save files onto a linked pc, which froze while processing, restarted and got error
[10:29] <CarlFK> so how do I figure out the "name of service"
[10:29] <Fingertips> Seveas, so its aptitude install wine winetools ?
[10:29] <Seveas> CarlFK, it's gdm (or kdm if you run kubuntu)
[10:30] <Seveas> Fingertips, correct
[10:30] <CarlFK> ahh - I was thinking x or startx - thanks
[10:30] <szundi> hello, i'm trying to use wine too :)
[10:30] <potsed> cannot enter password cos drive is full. wont let me do anything not even command
[10:30] <martinrusso43_12> hola
[10:30] <IIIEars> potsed - could you use a live CD to delete files?
[10:30] <martinrusso43_12> Hola a todo el mundo ! !
[10:31] <potsed> im busy using the live cd now... but cannot seem to mnt the drive...
[10:31] <Seveas> martinrusso43_12, we speak english in here
[10:31] <martinrusso43_12> ok
[10:31] <martinrusso43_12> tnk Seveas
[10:31] <IIIEars> #ubuntu-es ?
[10:31] <shortround> hmmm- now that i did the nvidia drivers thing, i get errors about xserver
[10:31] <CarlFK> update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/gdm exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force)
[10:31] <CarlFK> is that a problem?
[10:32] <wulfepup> Anyone know of a Linux prog that can open Corel Word perfect docs? (.wpd)
[10:32] <^thehatsrule^> OO?
[10:33] <Seveas> CarlFK, ah, i see why, this will not work sorry. try sudo chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm
[10:33] <Sero> Can anyone help me get my sound working.
[10:33] <potsed> wulfepup: there was a plugin for OOo
[10:33] <Seveas> wulfepup, openoffice?
[10:33] <Sero> Well anyways........
[10:33] <wulfepup> cool
[10:33] <psychonate> chez, you have to add the repository entry to your /etc/sourcesl.ist
[10:33] <psychonate> er
[10:33] <psychonate> /etc/sources.list
[10:33] <onekill> what does this mean?
[10:33] <onekill> sudo sh make.sh
[10:33] <onekill> ATI module generator V 2.0
[10:33] <onekill> [10:33] <onekill> initializing...
[10:33] <onekill> kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete
[10:33] <onekill> file: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h
[10:33] <^thehatsrule^> Sero: search esd or alsa?
[10:33] <Seveas> onekill, DO NOT paste in here!
[10:34] <onekill> sorry
[10:34] <Sensebend> onekill, you need your kernel sources
[10:34] <Efwis> need a little help, how would I unload a script/plugin from Xchat?
[10:34] <Seveas> onekill, and aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[10:34] <Seveas> Efwis, depends on the script/plugin
[10:34] <Sensebend> ah, neat way of doing that Seveas
[10:34] <Efwis> its a sysinfo.pl file
[10:34] <Efwis> perl script
[10:34] <Sero> I got my sound working and I rebooted the computer and it doesn't work.
[10:35] <Fingertips> Seveas, Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "winetools"
[10:35] <Seveas> Efwis, i think /unload sysinfo.pl will work
[10:35] <wulfepup> I'll scout around...  I'm using coLinux for now (which has Kword) while I wait for the Kubuntu install iso to finish dl'ing (or my Ubuntu install CD arrive)
[10:35] <Fingertips> Seveas, got the same error :P
[10:35] <Efwis> ty, I will try
[10:35] <Seveas> Fingertips, argh!
[10:35] <Fingertips> Seveas,  'aptitude install wine winetools' thats what I put in
[10:35] <Sero> ^thehatsrule^, how do I make it so the system remembers all my setting and stuff?
[10:35] <Seveas> wine-utils
[10:35] <Seveas> not winetools
[10:35] <Seveas> thnx!
[10:35] <potsed> anyone know hoew to mnt a drive from live cd (Ubuntu)
[10:35] <CarlFK> Seveas - thanks
[10:35] <Seveas> just checked it, wine-utils DOES exist :)
[10:35] <^thehatsrule^> Sero: what do you mean?
[10:36] <Seveas> potsed, mkdir /mnt/something && mount /dev/yourdrive /mnt/something
[10:36] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me how to format a partition into ext3?
[10:36] <Seveas> BockBilbo, sudo mkfs.ext2 /dev/yourdrive
[10:36] <potsed> thx seveas
[10:36] <Fingertips> aptitude install wine wine-utils
[10:36] <Fingertips> ?
[10:36] <Sero> ^thehatsrule^, ok well I did this little tutorials here for my sound http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307 and my sound worked..... then when I rebooted all my alsamixer settings reset and everything reset.
[10:37] <Seveas> BockBilbo, and then sudo tune2fs -j /dev/yourdrive to add the ext3 bits
[10:37] <Fingertips> Seveas, 'aptitude install wine wine-utils'?
[10:37] <BockBilbo> i see
[10:37] <Seveas> Fingertips, that would work
[10:37] <BockBilbo> Seand what about mfs.ext3 ?
[10:38] <Seveas> BockBilbo, does not exist
[10:38] <BockBilbo> it does
[10:38] <Fingertips> Seveas, Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "wine-utils"
[10:38] <Seveas> BockBilbo, hmmmmm
[10:38] <BockBilbo> at least i have it on my system
[10:38] <Seveas> well waddayaknow :D
[10:38] <Seveas> you can use that then ;)
[10:38] <BockBilbo> hehe
[10:38] <Ti_Uhl> hello
[10:38] <Ti_Uhl> :)
[10:38] <^thehatsrule^> Sero: did you boot with alsa in the append line?
[10:38] <Ti_Uhl> to whom should i speak if i want to contribute to ubuntu ?
[10:38] <onekill>  thanks Seveas it seemed to work so FAR (sorry for the patse)
[10:39] <onekill> ppaste
[10:39] <onekill> paste
[10:39] <Fingertips> urgh this wine is not workin
[10:39] <brush> anybody familiar with cx88 driver for ubuntu?
[10:39] <Seveas> Fingertips, are you on warty?
[10:39] <Ti_Uhl> to whom should i speak if i want to contribute to ubuntu ? anyone ?
[10:39] <brush> i don't know how to get my tuner number out of the eeprom?
[10:39] <Fingertips> Seveas, warty
[10:39] <Fingertips> ?
[10:40] <Seveas> Ti_Uhl, depends on what you want to contribute
[10:40] <Ti_Uhl> an application
[10:40] <Seveas> Fingertips, ubuntu 4.10, the not-the-latest version
[10:40] <Ti_Uhl> Seveas  : from the bounties page :)
[10:40] <wulfepup> onekill: http://www.pastebin.com is handy for pasting error messages, code, etc.. then paste your URL in here with your question. *g* (for next time)
[10:40] <Sero> ^thehatsrule^, what's that?
[10:40] <Imical> when i type the apt-get update command I get permission denied, anyone know a way a round this?
[10:40] <Fingertips> Seveas, umm not sure do i just do uname -r
[10:40] <kudzubane> Imical, try sudo
[10:40] <lsuactiafner> sudo apt-get update?
[10:40] <Seveas> Ti_Uhl, aha, if it's from the bounties page, you should get in contact with the developers at ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[10:41] <Seveas> Fingertips, try cat /etc/issue
[10:41] <Fingertips> lsuactiafner, thanks
[10:41] <Ti_Uhl> Seveas : can i just mail them ?
[10:41] <Seveas> Imical, sudo apt-get update
[10:41] <Imical> kudzubane: sudo apt-get update?
[10:41] <Ti_Uhl> Seveas at that address ?.
[10:41] <^thehatsrule^> Sero: in the grub boot options
[10:41] <Fingertips> Seveas, 5.04
[10:41] <Sero> ^thehatsrule^, probably
[10:41] <Seveas> hmm, do you have universe enabled?
[10:42] <Fingertips> Seveas, howe do i check
[10:42] <Sero> ^thehatsrule^, no I do not know how to do that, could you please help me?
[10:42] <Seveas> Fingertips, if you didn't explicitely do it, you don't have it :)
[10:42] <Seveas> and you need it to be enabled in order to install wine
[10:42] <Seveas> Fingertips: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:42] <Imical> ok thank ya
[10:43] <^thehatsrule^> Sero: make sure? this will make sure it loads on startup
[10:43] <BockBilbo> Seveas, it didnt work
[10:43] <Seveas> Ti_Uhl, it's a mailing list, you have to be subscribed to it
[10:43] <BockBilbo> i cant mount the partition now
[10:43] <Fingertips> Seveas, then Im going to add that to my repo lsit
[10:43] <Fingertips> Seveas, universal?
[10:43] <Imical> hmm ok now have Couldn't stat source package lists http:// blah bal - stat(2 no such file or directory)
[10:43] <Sero> ^thehatsrule^, how do you configure it?
[10:43] <Seveas> Imical, sudo apt-get update
[10:43] <jetscreamer> fix your sources
[10:43] <jetscreamer> or that
[10:44] <Imical> suda apt-get update
[10:44] <Seveas> BockBilbo, what exactly did not work?
[10:44] <Imical> lol worng computer whoops
[10:44] <Seveas> hehe
[10:44] <BockBilbo> well
[10:44] <BockBilbo> see
[10:44] <BockBilbo> i did mkfs.ext /dev/hda6
[10:44] <BockBilbo> and it seemed to work
[10:44] <BockBilbo> but i cant mount it
[10:44] <BockBilbo> i was switching the fs from vfat to ext3
[10:44] <Fingertips> Seveas, OK, what repo do you want me to add?
[10:44] <BockBilbo> we might have forgotten to do a step
[10:44] <BockBilbo> :S
[10:45] <Imical> Seveas: ok did that now what?
[10:45] <Seveas> Fingertips, universe
[10:45] <lsuactiafner> mkfs.ext3 is better
[10:45] <Seveas> Imical, retry :)
[10:45] <BockBilbo> lsuactiafner, i used that
[10:45] <Fingertips> Seveas, IM in the add repository box do i put universe in the APT line?
[10:45] <Seveas> BockBilbo, what does mount say?
[10:45] <BockBilbo> i misspelled
[10:45] <BockBilbo> well
[10:46] <lsuactiafner> BockBilbo : what error do you get?
[10:46] <BockBilbo> it gives the help command
[10:46] <Seveas> Fingertips, there are lines starting with #deb that contain universe
[10:46] <Seveas> just remove the leading #
[10:46] <BockBilbo> hold on
[10:46] <Imical> Seveas: ok i did and got reading package lists...Done
[10:46] <BockBilbo> im typing: sudo mount -o rw -t ext3 /dev/hda6 /mnt/docs
[10:47] <lsuactiafner> mkdir /mnt/docs ; mount /dev/hda6 /mnt/docs
[10:47] <BockBilbo> nevermind
[10:47] <BockBilbo> worked
[10:47] <lsuactiafner> df
[10:47] <BockBilbo> but didnt mount it
[10:47] <lsuactiafner> k
[10:47] <BockBilbo> on boot
[10:47] <Imical> Seveas: should I be able to load the desktop from here?
[10:48] <shortround> hmmm- now that i did the nvidia drivers thing, i get errors about xserver
[10:48] <Seveas> Imical, sorry, what were you trying to do again?
[10:49] <Seveas> BockBilbo, you should add it to /etc/fstab if you want it to mount on boot
[10:49] <BockBilbo> i have it on fstab
[10:49] <BockBilbo> seens that the other partition i formated is corrupted
[10:49] <BockBilbo> im formatting it again
[10:49] <synd> is vnc easy for "hackers" to get control of?
[10:50] <Imical> Seveas: I installed unbuntu and when  unbuntu-desktop loaded got ' W: couldn't stat source package lists - stat(2 no such for or directory)
[10:50] <b3n-> I just installed ubuntu yesterday and I can't log into IRCNET ;(
[10:50] <lsuactiafner> BockBilbo do it with -c or something
[10:50] <wulfepup> synd... as easy as the password you supply....
[10:50] <lsuactiafner> -b
[10:50] <lsuactiafner> BockBilbo : -c checks for bad shit
[10:50] <BockBilbo> see
[10:50] <BockBilbo> i get this error when mounting the file via fstab
[10:51] <potsed> thx 4 help bye
[10:51] <BockBilbo> when doing mount -a
[10:51] <Seveas> Imical, ah, you were trying to install kubuntu right?
[10:51] <BockBilbo> i get:
[10:51] <Seveas> or am i helping too many people tonight and mixing them up :S
[10:51] <wulfepup> assuming they already know your IP and stuff....
[10:51] <BockBilbo> Ext3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "uid=1000" or missing value
[10:51] <Seveas> BockBilbo, hehe, you need to rewrite the vfat line
[10:51] <Imical> Seveas: nope regular ubuntu
[10:51] <BockBilbo> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda6,
[10:51] <goldfish> em
[10:51] <BockBilbo> Seveas, i did it
[10:51] <Hoxzer> HOw I can remote use Ubuntu?
[10:51] <wulfepup> spreading yourself too thin Seveas?
[10:52] <Seveas> just remove all options and put the word defaults there
[10:52] <synd> wulfepup: as long as that password isnt in the dict, its hard to obtain, right?
[10:52] <goldfish> Hoxzer: ssh ? vnc ?
[10:52] <BockBilbo> i changed vfat for ext3
[10:52] <goldfish> It's saying uid is a bad option.
[10:52] <goldfish> is it not?
[10:52] <Seveas> /dev/hdsomething /mnt/somewhere ext3  defaults 0 0
[10:52] <Hoxzer> Goldfish: are they already on?
[10:52] <wulfepup> Hoxzer... yeah what goldSAID
[10:52] <Hoxzer> cool :)
[10:52] <goldfish> Hoxzer: what do u want? do u want a remote desktop? or a remote terminal ?
[10:52] <BockBilbo> worked with default
[10:53] <Hoxzer> Godfish: maybe the both
[10:53] <wulfepup> Hoxzer... apt-get install vncserver
[10:54] <goldfish> Hoxzer: well, vnc is what you want.
[10:54] <abbe80> GnomeBaker , can it burn dvd movies (VIDEO_TS) ?
[10:54] <froh> can make make-kpkg compile a package optimized for mpentium4 ?
[10:54] <Seveas> froh, you mean like linux-686? :)
[10:54] <thenuke> http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/blog/projects/ubuntu/1118337956
[10:55] <Seveas> (linux-686 has p4 optimizations)
[10:55] <froh> Seveas: yes
[10:55] <Seveas> well, given that there exists a kernel image that does it i'd say yes it can :)
[10:55] <wulfepup> synd... with a decent password sniffer anything is possible, of course, but I believe vnc is safer than say...ftp access
[10:55] <froh> Seveas: i cant seem to find docs for making anything but i386
[10:55] <Imical> Seveas: ok I think that I got every thing set up, how do I load the desktop?
[10:55] <Seveas> wulfepup, only if it is tunneled over ssh
[10:55] <Seveas> Imical, startx
[10:56] <Seveas> or /etc/init.d/gdm start
[10:56] <synd> wulfepup: true.
[10:56] <Imical> ok
[10:56] <Fingertips> Seveas, does ubuntu come with ntfs support installed
[10:56] <wulfepup> well safer though not nessecessarily more secure?
[10:56] <Seveas> Fingertips, yes
[10:56] <synd> password sniffers are pathetic
[10:56] <Seveas> synd, pathetic but real...
[10:56] <goldfish> pathetic ?
[10:56] <Fingertips> Seveas, how do i mount my fat32 sharespace and ntfs hd
[10:56] <froh> is it dependant on kernel makefile?
[10:56] <goldfish> Fingertips: ubuntuguide.org <- mounting windows drivers section
[10:57] <goldfish> *drives
[10:57] <Seveas> Fingertips, mount /dev/hd-with_fat /mount/somewhere -t vfat -o rw,umask=0000
[10:57] <Seveas> Fingertips, mount /dev/hd-with_ntfs /mount/somewhere_else -t ntfs -o ro,umask=0000
[10:57] <Imical> Seveas: ok did that and got '*Starting GNOME Display Manager...     [fail] 
[10:57] <Seveas> Imical, what's the error?
[10:57] <Imical> thats all that was said
[10:58] <wulfepup> will Gaim run under KDE?
[10:58] <Imical> well *GNOME Display Manager not running      [ok] 
[10:58] <Imical> was before that
[10:58] <ablyss> gaim will run just about under anything
[10:59] <ablyss> even, <gasp> windows
[10:59] <Imical> hehe
[10:59] <wulfepup> coolio
[10:59] <Fingertips> Seveas, how do i view the mounted partition?
[11:00] <eve7698> I'm having trouble installing ndiswrapper, can someone help?
[11:00] <Imical> Seveas: When I did /etc/init.d/gdm restart I got 'GNOME Display Manager not running     [ok] ' and 'Starting Gnome Display Manager....      [fail] '
[11:00] <wulfepup> I couldn't get it installed on my coLinux Debian KDE.. but love it on my Ubuntu Live....just hoping that when I get Kubuntu it'll be ok.
[11:00] <goldfish> eve7698: whats up?
[11:00] <goldfish> Fingertips: cd into it from a terminal?
[11:00] <goldfish> Fingertips: or browse to it in nautilus
[11:00] <eve7698> ok first off this is my first time on irc so if I'm not doing something right tell me
[11:00] <Seveas> Fingertips, nautilus /mount/point
[11:01] <goldfish> eve7698: ok, what problem u got with installing?
[11:01] <eve7698> goldfish: I tried to follow these instructions to install it: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[11:01] <mjr> hmm, should I report an amd64/usb2 problem to ubuntu or direct to the kernel maintainers?
[11:01] <goldfish> eve7698: ok
[11:02] <Imical> when I try to load to the desktop I get Starting GNOME Display Manager...    [fail]  anyone know how to fix this?
[11:02] <eve7698> goldfish: well I followed those instructions, and my internet went out during apt-get install build-essential fakeroot linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[11:02] <eve7698> goldfish: but I got back on... and made it to make deb
[11:03] <Kartagis> hello. who here uses sendmail?
[11:03] <goldfish> eve7698: okokok, em have you tried installing it from apt-get ?
[11:03] <eve7698> goldfish: I'm not sure how?
[11:03] <mirak> am I dreaming or the gnome clock-applet takes 17 MEGA BYTE !!!
[11:04] <mirak> of memory
[11:04] <mirak> that's huge
[11:04] <mirak> and ridiculous
[11:04] <eve7698> goldfish: I've used linux but no debian style
[11:04] <goldfish> eve7698: ok, right, have you added multiverse and universe in sourcs.list?
[11:04] <goldfish> eve7698: oh ok
[11:05] <SeamusLP> mirak:  I think your reading your memory usage wrong?
[11:05] <mirak> SeamusLP: I hope
[11:06] <pietro> hello
[11:06] <mirak> SeamusLP: look in gnome system monitor
[11:06] <synd>  hmm
[11:06] <synd> wireless VNC rocks!
[11:06] <pietro> in hoary exista a package for php-gtk ?
[11:06] <SeamusLP> mirak:  I think that's including shared memory
[11:07] <SeamusLP> mirak:  Perhaps some cache as well?  Linux reports memory a bit differently than windows does.
[11:07] <mirak> that's still 10 mega byte for a clock
[11:08] <SeamusLP> I've got 8.5 for mine.  It also includes a calendar, fyi ;)
[11:09] <pietro> in breezy exist php5 ?
[11:09] <mirak> SeamusLP: lol
[11:09] <mirak> true
[11:09] <mirak> however the mount applet takes 40 meg
[11:09] <pfp> :O
[11:09] <Imical> when I try to load to the desktop I get Starting GNOME Display Manager...    [fail]  anyone know how to fix this?
[11:10] <pfp> Imical: prolly your X is not working
[11:10] <Imical> pfp: and how do I make it work? I just installed Ubuntu
[11:10] <zyga> hello
[11:10] <SeamusLP> mirak:  drivemount_applet2?
[11:10] <pfp> Imical: depends on your video card
[11:11] <Imical> pfp: ahhh umm is there a webiste that I need to go to?
[11:11] <SeamusLP> mirak:  I've got total: 25 mb, RSS: 9.4, Shared: 7.4
[11:11] <zyga> does gaim 1.1.4 segfaults for anyone with annoying frequency?
[11:11] <pfp> letssee
[11:11] <wulfepup> bbiab gonna switch to my live CD.. this colinux is starting to drive nuts...
[11:12] <pfp> Imical: if you have ati or nvidia, you need to install a package that has the (closed-source) drivers
[11:12] <Imical> pfp: I have old school, Voodoo
[11:13] <SeamusLP> mirak:  heh just by attempting to mount partitions and failing the Total memory usage went up to 73.6 MB.  I think it's using extra ram to cache things.  If you want a more accurate version, I'd just display RSS or RSS and shared
[11:14] <pfp> Imical: hmm, i guess X has built-in support for that, never had one of those though
[11:14] <_bt> W-MIRC NeW...NeW..NeW...Windows & bRuTaL mIRC on English & Bulgarish http://mircs.uk.to
[11:14] <_bt> ^^ stop pm'ing me that shit
[11:14] <Razor-X> is there any way to stop making cplay adjust master volume when playing song?
[11:14] <_bt> i dont use windows :))
[11:15] <syntaxerror64> hi everyone
[11:15] <Razor-X> and, it seems that ogg123 can't play FLAC....
[11:15] <Razor-X> probably my version is too old, but it's not in the repos by itself
[11:16] <Fingertips> hello
[11:16] <Fingertips> has anybody sucessfully run Wow in wine?
[11:16] <Razor-X> so, is there any way I can make cplay use master volume?
[11:16] <mirak> SeamusLP: mmm yeah
[11:16] <Razor-X> Fingertips: as far as I know, quite a few people have had success with WineX
[11:16] <mirak> I say yeah like an american ...
[11:16] <Fingertips> Razor-X, how hard is it to compile winex?
[11:17] <pfp> Imical: i would try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg'
[11:17] <sarko> hola
[11:18] <SeamusLP> mirak:  So you may want to read about how memory management works in linux.  It's actually really nice -- not a single megabyte of your ram goes to waste ;)
[11:18] <psychonate> Is Nexuiz fun?
[11:18] <mirak> SeamusLP: yes, I wanted to do that, but I am not sure I will ^^
[11:18] <mirak> shower
[11:19] <Fingertips> hey
[11:19] <Fingertips> how do i edit my grub.conf
[11:19] <thenuke> Fingertips: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst with some editor
[11:19] <pfp> sudo emacs -nw /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:20] <thenuke> does ubuntu ship with emacs
[11:20] <pfp> hmm, dunno :)
[11:20] <syntaxerror64> thenuke, i don't think so i don't iave it
[11:20] <Razor-X> Fingertips: on WineX
[11:21] <Fingertips> TheMuso, its not showin my windows partition
[11:21] <Razor-X> WineX is propreitary, and their CVS source is pretty damn old, IIRC
[11:21] <Razor-X> pfp: you mean "vi /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[11:21] <Fingertips> ugh
[11:21] <Razor-X> ;)
[11:21] <mjr> hmm, should I report an amd64/usb2 problem to ubuntu (no linux-image bugzilla?) or direct to the kernel maintainers?
[11:21] <Hoxzer> how do I set up VNCserver to say allways "yes" when it askes can I remote use my computer?
[11:21] <Fingertips> all i want to do it make it sow windows is the default loader
[11:22] <lsuactiafner> SeamusLP : what ratio and overcommit you use?
[11:22] <pfp> Razor-X: of course i meant ${EDITOR} /boot/grub... ;)
[11:22] <Razor-X> hehehe
[11:22] <synd> hmm
[11:22] <goldfish> ndiswrapper-utils is in universe, yes ?
[11:22] <lsuactiafner> SeamusLP : i got 2 512mb dual drr and i use vm.overcommit_memory = 1 and ratio 17
[11:23] <pietro> why in hoary not exist a package for php-gtk ?
[11:23] <synd> goldfish: yes
[11:23] <Razor-X> pietro: post on the Ubuntu forums, then they may add it
[11:24] <flodine> a guys can i still install e17 on ubuntu
[11:25] <jind> How do I enable the tray in gnome?
[11:25] <jind> I have no tray as default as it seems
[11:25] <goldfish> synd: any reason why someone with universe enabled cant see it?
[11:25] <jind> Whats the gnome name of the traydock?
[11:26] <Razor-X> dude, why does the version of ogg123 with Ubuntu suck so much?
[11:27] <Razor-X> ohhh.... ahhh.. nevermind...
[11:27] <psychonate> why do you say that?
[11:27] <Razor-X> man ogg123
[11:27] <Razor-X> ah!
[11:27] <Razor-X> wrong window! ;)
[11:28] <synd> goldfish: hm
[11:29] <Hoxzer> can somebody help me with VNCserver?
[11:30] <SeamusLP> lsuactiafner:  I just use the defaults.
[11:30] <Tomcat_> Hoxzer: You don't need a separate VNCserver for Ubuntu, if you want to install one. :o
[11:30] <Razor-X> hmmm, how do you change the default output device of ogg123?
[11:30] <lsuactiafner> with that setup i can get usage from 160mb to full gig
[11:31] <lsuactiafner> but never swap
[11:31] <queuetue> Hi, all.  How do I change the default multimedia app from totem to xmms or mplayer?
[11:31] <Miks> why i dont have the "/etc/fstab"...?
[11:32] <xero> can someone tell me where in the ubuntuguide.org i can find info on w32codecs?
[11:32] <keikoz> Miks what you mean ? you have it surly
[11:32] <SeamusLP> lsuactiafner:  I have like 28 megs free of my gig, only about 1/4 of that is resident
[11:33] <Miks> as i've been reading..it should be in "/etc/fstab"
[11:33] <Miks> but its not there
[11:33] <lsuactiafner> yeh
[11:33] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[11:33] <Hoxzer> Tomcat: I mean it is already working but its asking "can this computer remote use this one"
[11:33] <Hoxzer> I dont want it  to ask so
[11:33] <keikoz> /etc/fstab is a file
[11:33] <SeamusLP> No need to tinker with anything, linux is already using all of my ram.
[11:33] <syntaxerror64> xero: http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[11:34] <lsuactiafner> xero : errr add repository deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[11:34] <keikoz> or use vlc, it doesnt need codecs
[11:34] <lsuactiafner> syntaxerror64 : need to make an alias for that
[11:34] <syntaxerror64> lsuactiafner: sorry, i don't understand?
[11:35] <queuetue> How do I change default apps in general, actually...
[11:35] <xero> Pop_pa FrEaK:  error message 'E: Couldn't find package w32codecs'
[11:35] <pfp> hmm, where can i change the system-wide defaults for "Open with" (in gnome)
[11:35] <goldfish> xero: added the repositories?
[11:36] <lsuactiafner> syntaxerror64 : an alias to quickly put that text on the screen since ppl keep buggering us with the same questions
[11:36] <syntaxerror64> lsuactiafner: ohhh, gotcha :)
[11:37] <xero> goldfish: unfortunately i know very little about repositories...
[11:37] <goldfish> !repositories
[11:37] <syntaxerror64> xero: if you go to the starter guide it will tell you exactly how to add
[11:37] <lsuactiafner> doing 10 conversations @ once is getting easier
[11:37] <ubotu> goldfish: I don't know, could you explain it?
[11:37] <goldfish> !repos
[11:37] <ubotu> goldfish: I haven't a clue
[11:37] <lsuactiafner> goldfish : good idea
[11:37] <lsuactiafner> !repos
[11:37] <lsuactiafner> hmm
[11:37] <goldfish> xero: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositories
[11:37] <lsuactiafner> we need a bot
[11:37] <goldfish> i think is the link
[11:37] <goldfish> lsuactiafner: the bot was working , must have been restarted
[11:38] <xero> goldfish: thanks
[11:38] <lsuactiafner> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:38] <syntaxerror64> xero: i just started using ubuntu a few days ago and that starter guide has taught me a lot already
[11:38] <lsuactiafner> grep is your friend
[11:39] <goldfish> lsuactiafner: :)
[11:39] <xero> syntaxerror64: ok, ill have to spend more time with it
[11:39] <Jormundgand> ubotu Jormundgand
[11:39] <ubotu> Jormundgand: I don't know, could you explain it?
[11:39] <Razor-X> anyone here use cplay?
[11:40] <Jormundgand> ubotu, Jormundgand is a nice guy, and people say nice things about him.
[11:40] <ubotu> Jormundgand: okay
[11:40] <Imical> when I try to load to the desktop I get 'Starting GNOME Display Manager...    [fail] ' anyone know how to fix this?
[11:40] <lsuactiafner> hmmm
[11:41] <xero> umm.. what purpose do repositories serve?
[11:41] <syntaxerror64> xero: gives you the files you need
[11:41] <Razor-X> xero: just about everything
[11:41] <Razor-X> it's where the apt files come from
[11:41] <goldfish> Razor-X: i will be using it in a few minutes.
[11:41] <pfp> Imical: did you try that dpkg-reconfigure.... i suggested earlier?
[11:41] <xero> k
[11:42] <mirak> SeamusLP: I do wonder why lauching an application, then closing it, then running it again, takes that much hard drive work if there is such a cache
[11:42] <Imical> pfp: yes
[11:42] <Imical> pfp: whent through the whole thing 3 times, still nothing
[11:42] <syntaxerror64> xero: i have been told not to enable the backports repositories though?  don't know if that is accurate information or not.
[11:43] <Razor-X> goldfish: heh
[11:43] <Razor-X> i'm having a little trouble with ogg123
[11:43] <lsuactiafner> yeh not a good idea
[11:43] <Beowulfe> how to figure out which of ~16 usb printers is correct? manually adding each and testing?
[11:43] <syntaxerror64> lsuactiafner: was that directed at me?
[11:44] <pfp> Imical: what happens if you just type 'X'? (if it gives you a gray screen, press ctrl-alt-backspace to get out)
[11:45] <technomage> hi all, I need some help... question about device-mapper
[11:45] <lsuactiafner> yeh not a good idea to enable backports..ive been told
[11:45] <Imical> pfp: ok one sec
[11:46] <lsuactiafner> anyone here use tc to do bandwidth limiting?
[11:46] <lsuactiafner> or can anyone suggest an easier solution?
[11:46] <syntaxerror64> lsuactiafner: ah ok then i'll keep them disabled
[11:46] <BenM_> Hey guys, I have an NVidia card that freezes if i don't have the binary driver
[11:46] <BenM_> however, after installing the driver am stuck on 640x800
[11:46] <BenM_> and xrandr won't let me change
[11:46] <Imical> pfp: something scrolled
[11:47] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> debian is good but ubuntu is so much netter setup
[11:47] <Imical> pfp: and now ther screen is black so an underscore at the top left corner
[11:47] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> better*
[11:47] <Miks> does somebody know hot to get the i2c drivers so that the lm-sensors can work?
[11:47] <pfp> Imical: ok, you probably need to configure X to use your voodoo card
[11:47] <Imical> pfp: how do i do that
[11:48] <Imical> pfp: stuck on the black screen ctrl+alt+back isn't doing anything
[11:49] <pfp> Imical: oh, not even a command prompt?
[11:49] <Imical> nothing
[11:49] <xero> hmm... when i add a Repository it doesnt come up on the software sources list... what am i doing wrong?
[11:49] <pfp> Imical: blimey
[11:49] <Imical> pfp: just one single underscore  in the tope left corner
[11:49] <syntaxerror64> xero: did you do it like the guide said?
[11:50] <Imical> pfp: this happened last time I tried typing startx
[11:50] <Imical> pfp: is there anyone of getting out of this without having to completly re-install
[11:50] <pfp> Imical: what about alt-F1
[11:50] <Imical> pfp: nothing
[11:50] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> Miks, try here http://secure.netroedge.com/~lm78/download.html
[11:51] <xero> syntaxerror64:  i believe so, it said to go into Synaptic Package Manager, menu Settings>Repositories then click add
[11:51] <Miks> thanks Pop
[11:51] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> np
[11:51] <Razor-X> ahhh, I got it working ;)
[11:51] <pfp> Imical: you probably can't SSH into the machine?
[11:51] <syntaxerror64> xero: where i'm at in the guide, you edit your sources.list file at the command line and then issue a "sudo apt-get update" after
[11:51] <Imical> pfp: ssh?
[11:52] <pfp> Imical: a method of opening a command line on another computer. most probably not :)
[11:52] <Razor-X> pfp: and why not?
[11:52] <Razor-X> what's not?
[11:52] <Razor-X> *wrong
[11:52] <Razor-X> I mean, what's Imical's situation
[11:53] <pfp> Razor-X: if he has to ask what's ssh, he prolly doesnt have ssh-server installed. he has broken X it seems
[11:53] <Razor-X> pfp: I thought ssh defaults
[11:53] <Razor-X> and, can't you apt-get ssh just for the purpose of this?
[11:53] <xero> syntaxerror64:  im going to try thru the terminal
[11:53] <Razor-X> ssh really isn't too complicated, I do all my chatting in an ssh shell
[11:53] <goldfish> ssh is default
[11:54] <Razor-X> I thought so
[11:54] <goldfish> i need openssh-server if u want to ssh to yourself
[11:54] <Razor-X> ooooh
[11:54] <Razor-X> I meant sshd, rather
[11:54] <goldfish> think it's called, openssh-server in the repos
[11:54] <Imical> so ummm do i need to jsut reboot?
[11:54] <pfp> Razor-X: thing is, his keyboard/video doesn't respond, and i thought maybe he could ssh into his machine to reboot it safely. but sshD isn't installed by default
[11:55] <Razor-X> pfp: ouchies....
[11:55] <Razor-X> or, booting into a live cd, and then chroot'ing
[11:55] <technomage> during boot I see some strange messages: device-mapper: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[11:55] <technomage> device-mapper: error adding target to table
[11:55] <technomage> what's it?
[11:56] <pfp> Imical: yep, i think you have to :(
[11:57] <Imical> any chance I can salvage it through recovery mode, or should i just go ahead and do a complete reinstall?
[11:57] <Razor-X> yeah, i'ld think that would be easiest
[11:57] <Razor-X> you can do other things, but that requires learning some new things
[11:57] <Razor-X> quite a few advanced things, actually
[11:57] <pfp> Razor-X: why _reinstall_ just because the machine crashed once?
[11:58] <pfp> or Imical
[11:58] <Razor-X> pfp: oh, this is first boot?
[11:58] <Razor-X> pffft, then, of course, reboot
[11:58] <Razor-X> I thought this was recurring
[11:58] <goldfish> did he try ctrl+alt+f1 to get a terminal ?
[11:58] <Razor-X> goldfish: keyboard doesen't respond
[11:58] <goldfish> ah
[11:58] <Imical> I have installed ubuntu noow umm 8 times in 24 hours, every time it crashes it makes me reinstall
[11:59] <Razor-X> I was thinking boot with a live floppy and chroot into the system
[11:59] <goldfish> u dont mneed to reinstall
[11:59] <psychonate> er, that should not happen
[11:59] <goldfish> i did the same
[11:59] <goldfish> log into recovery mode
[11:59] <Razor-X> after chrooting, tinker around with of the stuff
[11:59] <Imical> if I don't I jsut stare at a blank screen
[11:59] <Imical> ok, in recovery mode, now what?
[11:59] <goldfish> chroot or log into recovery mode
[11:59] <eve7698> #dog
[11:59] <goldfish> 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'