[12:01] <arthurb> urr it's a laptop
[12:01] <KaiL> even as you should change that, because this makes your hda slower
[12:01] <arthurb> previously it only appeared as a symbolic /dev/cdrom
[12:02] <KaiL> /dev/cdrom shoult be there too
[12:02] <arthurb> pointing to some /ide/ tons of nested directories
[12:02] <arthurb> it's there
[12:02] <KaiL> or is that some SATA-Laptop?
[12:02] <arthurb> it's strange, I told kde to show me unmounted dvdroms,cdroms,cdrw etc (it's all three) but it doesn't appear on the desktop, is that a known issue ?
[12:03] <arthurb> KaiL: oh my no, I wish
[12:03] <KaiL> then the designer was an idiot ;)
[12:03] <arthurb> KaiL: it's an old laptop
[12:03] <arthurb> ~3 years
[12:04] <KaiL> you can only see the disk, if there's something in the drive
[12:04] <KaiL> not the empty drive itself
[12:04] <KaiL> same for media:/ btw (which sometimes get's faster updated than the desktop)
[12:05] <arthurb> KaiL: there's a CD in the bay
[12:05] <KaiL> then it should be shown...
[12:06] <KaiL> you are not playing with breezy, or?
[12:06] <arthurb> urr, I guess not
[12:06] <KaiL> you'd know
[12:06] <arthurb> ok
[12:06] <KaiL> do you see the cdrom in media:/?
[12:07] <arthurb> yep
[12:07] <arthurb> a cdrom0
[12:07] <KaiL> hmm
[12:07] <arthurb> which is a directory
[12:07] <arthurb> and cdrom pointing to it
[12:08] <KaiL> those desktop icon settings are sometimes a bit silly
[12:08] <arthurb> btw it I manually create an icon on the desktop for /dev/cdrom, /dev/hdb or whatever it works but as soon as I mount it, I guet to icons
[12:08] <KaiL> change something in the settings, press apply, change it back and apply again
[12:09] <KaiL> might help ;)
[12:11] <arthurb> eheh tried that already
[12:14] <jackson> curious if anyone else still experiencing probs connecting to msn msngr through kopete
[12:15] <jackson> no?
[12:16] <arthurb> jackson: nope
[12:16] <arthurb> didn't work yesterday evening though
[12:16] <arthurb> but works back
[12:17] <jackson> k, i tried to reinstall from kynaptic but still get the message the old version was bugging on
[12:22] <Bicchi> i am trying to install the latest version of kde 3.4.1 and i get an error when i tried to update. i have allready added the sources to /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:27] <Bicchi> i am running an amd64 so i am not sure if this is the problem. I get an error that says failed to fetch.
[12:32] <blueyed> Bicchi: there are no amd64 packages yet.. :/
[12:32] <blueyed> I've just switched from breezy-amd64 to hoary-i286 for myself..
[12:32] <Bicchi> yeah,  i was just reading that in one of the forums. they should post that on the kubuntu website
[12:33] <blueyed> Bicchi: would you like to mail webmaster@kubuntu.org?
[12:33] <Bicchi> yeah, i will do that
[12:33] <Bicchi> thanks
[12:41] <radouane> bonsoir 
[12:46] <nmorse> you know all that trouble I've been going throught to get the ATI drivers working over the last few days?
[12:46] <nmorse> Well I succeeded yesterday
[12:46] <monchy> then they released new ones today lol
[12:46] <nmorse> And today this (http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=838) came out
[12:46] <monchy> ah man i thought about that this morning, couldn't help but laugh ;p
[12:46] <nmorse> That's always how it works out
[12:47] <KaiL> only for Windows, or?
[12:47] <nmorse> For Linux'
[12:47] <nmorse> With a new installer
[12:47] <KaiL> ui
[12:47] <monchy> and a crappy watered down control panel
[12:47] <nmorse> I guess I could check it out and add it to the BinaryDriverHowto
[12:47] <KaiL> hat sich schon jemand geopfert? :)
[12:48] <nmorse> But that would require effort
[12:48] <nmorse> was that german?
[12:48] <dreumah> geopfert fr was?
[12:48] <KaiL> oops, wrong window ;)
[12:49] <KaiL> somebody already tried that driver?
[12:49] <KaiL> ....after saving at least the X-Config? :)
[12:49] <nmorse> I haven't yet
[12:50] <nmorse> I think I will in a minute
[12:50] <nmorse> If it works it'll save a lot of people a lot of trouble
[12:51] <KaiL> I wonder, if ATI fixed S3 *g*
[12:52] <nmorse> dadgum, it's a big file
[12:53] <nmorse> I think it's crashing firefox
[12:53] <nmorse> 36.0 MB
[12:53] <nmorse> and Firefox tried to open it as a page
[12:56] <KaiL> lol
[12:58] <nmorse> I'm trying to decide how to test this newest driver
[12:58] <nmorse> Should I uninstall xorg-driver-fglrx?
[12:58] <nmorse> And then run it?
[12:58] <KaiL> better is
[12:58] <KaiL> also remove fglrx from /etc/modules and switch the config file back to "ati"
[12:59] <KaiL> the reboot and then try ;)
[01:02] <nmorse> Hmm
[01:02] <nmorse> Why don't I just leave the xorg.conf there
[01:03] <nmorse> I suspect the installer will make me a new conf file anyway
[01:04] <nmorse> Should I "Install Driver" or "Generate Distribution Specific Driver Package" ?
[01:05] <KaiL> the first
[01:05] <nmorse> What installation path should I pick?
[01:05] <KaiL> path?
[01:06] <KaiL> are we on windows, or what?
[01:06] <nmorse> so / should work, correct?
[01:06] <KaiL> no idea
[01:07] <nmorse> It won't generate a Debian package during the "Install Driver" phase
[01:07] <nmorse> And I don't think the one it generated will work
[01:08] <KaiL> it should just compile the module and put it inst /li/modules/...
[01:08] <KaiL> +b
[01:09] <nmorse> Let's see if it works
[01:09] <nmorse> It only lets me generate XFree86 4.1 and 4.2 drivers
[01:10] <nmorse> Won't even work for Debian Sarge
[01:10] <KaiL> lol....
[01:10] <nmorse> I think the xorg-driver-fglrx package just needs to be reworked
[01:11] <nmorse> force a dependency on linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[01:11] <nmorse> etc.
[01:11] <KaiL> that's imho not the problem
[01:11] <KaiL> the problem is, that installing fglrx is one part, getting it to work another
[01:12] <nmorse> Yeah
[01:12] <KaiL> ..and this other part fails..... "sometimes"
[01:12] <nmorse> And the BinaryDriverHowto doesn't really help then
[01:12] <blueyed> powernowd does not work correctly.. but I want to keep the package installed.. wasn't there a file to put module names that should be ignored/not loaded (powernow-k8)?
[01:12] <nmorse> I had to switch to the k7 kernel to get that to work
[01:12] <KaiL> blueyed: in which way doesn't work?
[01:12] <nmorse> the 386 kernel I absolutely could not get the drivers working on
[01:13] <KaiL> amd64?
[01:13] <blueyed> it gives errors "transition frequency failed"..
[01:13] <blueyed> KaiL: amd64, but hoary-i386
[01:13] <KaiL> so should work as it does here (Sempron)
[01:13] <KaiL> it does this from starting on or only some time later?
[01:13] <blueyed> I filed a bug about this even before hoary release.
[01:14] <blueyed> from the beginning (in demsg) and everytime cpu raises..
[01:14] <blueyed> it seems to stall at 1GhZ here.
[01:14] <KaiL> ...and the CPU stays in high state?
[01:14] <KaiL> oops
[01:14] <blueyed> no, low.
[01:14] <KaiL> here it sometimes sits at 1,8 and only goes down after a reboot
[01:15] <KaiL> could you try the kernel 2.6.12? :)
[01:15] <blueyed> With hoary?
[01:15] <KaiL> or just - as nmorse said - the K7 one?
[01:15] <Octane> yall think kubuntu 5.04 will work with pice express geforce
[01:15] <nmorse> Huh, I was referring to the k7 for ati drivers
[01:15] <nmorse> Yeah, should work with an Nvidia card
[01:15] <KaiL> nmorse: oh ;)
[01:15] <nmorse> Better than ATI at least
[01:16] <nmorse> ATI is the devil when it comes to linux support
[01:16] <blueyed> on breezy- and hoary-amd64 I've used the k8 kernel.. it was the same.
[01:16] <nmorse> I've stuck with them for over a year now and really wish I hadn't
[01:16] <KaiL> Octane: for shure in 2D, not shure if we need fresher drivers for 3D
[01:16] <Octane> nmorse tell me about it i just built a new box and had to do away with a 9700
[01:16] <Octane> KaiL i just want it to work initially out of the box then ill upgrade
[01:16] <nmorse> What'd you do with the 9700?
[01:16] <Octane> because fc3 _definitely_ doesnt work with my new pci-express nvidia card
[01:16] <Octane> nmorse sitting right next to me
[01:17] <nmorse> FC3 doesn't work much
[01:17] <KaiL> Octane: the system shouldn't even see, that it's a PCIe one?!?
[01:17] <KaiL> blueyed: http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/base/linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7
[01:17] <KaiL> you also need to install http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/utils/initrd-tools
[01:17] <Octane> KaiL heh i guess youre right, it doesnt care it just wants drivers
[01:17] <KaiL> Octane: LOL
[01:18] <Octane> 2 hours ill be damned
[01:18] <Octane> anyone here run kubuntu 64
[01:18] <Octane> thats what im getting now
[01:18] <blueyed> KaiL: will that work with the nvidia drivers? or should I simply use nv for testing first?
[01:18] <KaiL> 64bit stuff still seams to be a bit unstable
[01:18] <KaiL> blueyed: nv for testing
[01:19] <KaiL> we don't have "linux-restricted-modules" for the 2.6.12 for now, even as it's not even final
[01:19] <blueyed> I'll try it, KaiL. But want to first compile krusader.
[01:19] <nmorse> Compile Krusader?
[01:19] <nmorse> It's in the apt repo, isn't it?
[01:19] <KaiL> why not from universe?
[01:20] <KaiL> ...new version I guess
[01:20] <blueyed> yes.. it's only 1.51.. and the deb on krusader hp is build with newer libc etc
[01:21] <KaiL> the one in breezy is even worse: gcc4
[01:22] <blueyed> That's the downside of repos..
[01:23] <blueyed> KaiL: do you have a clue why "apt-get upgrade" wants to "upgrade" the openssh-server which I've build with apt-source and patched?
[01:23] <KaiL> because it just has a higher version number
[01:24] <KaiL> apt-get upgrade -s might tell you more
[01:26] <blueyed> it should have the _same_ version number.. I'll take a look..
[01:27] <blueyed> Inst openssh-server [1:3.9p1-1ubuntu2]  (1:3.9p1-1ubuntu2 Ubuntu:5.04/hoary)
[01:27] <blueyed> Conf openssh-server (1:3.9p1-1ubuntu2 Ubuntu:5.04/hoary)
[01:27] <blueyed> KaiL: ^^
[01:29] <KaiL> strange
[01:35] <nmorse> I really like Ubuntu, it's like Debian but easier to get your hardware working with
[01:36] <nmorse> I never could get fglrx to work with Debian Sid
[01:39] <_luke> anyone seen liz4rd lately?
[01:39] <marilenny> hello
[01:39] <_luke> hullo
[01:40] <marilenny> need some help using rhythmbox, says Could not open resource for writing when trying to play mp3
[01:40] <marilenny> any thoughts
[01:40] <marilenny> everything is installed here (gstreamer and all sorts of codecs)
[01:41] <_luke> what a weird error. never used rythmbox in my life though..
[01:41] <marilenny> i know
[01:41] <marilenny> and juk and amarok plays fine too
[01:43] <_luke> do you prefer rythmbox?
[01:43] <marilenny> no but is there, and i dont mind the options
[01:46] <_luke> amarok is good ^_^
[01:46] <marilenny> yeah
[01:47] <_luke> I used juk when I had kubuntu though, because amarok was slow. it's faster now I'm running yoper though
[01:48] <DaSkreech> Hi marilenny :-)
[01:48] <marilenny> yeah i like juk better for the playlist feature , hate the way amarok handles the collection and playlists
[01:48] <marilenny> yo DaSkreech 
[01:49] <_luke> I don't think it's much different really
[01:50] <marilenny> yup
[01:50] <marilenny> DaSkreech, see? :)
[01:50] <DaSkreech> Ok :-)
[01:50] <DaSkreech> They are probably sleeping :)
[01:51] <marilenny> yeah
[01:52] <DaSkreech> I forgot what was the question?
[01:52] <blueyed> Octane: are you using a Ubuntu package for Krusader?
[01:52] <Octane> blueyed: no, my o/s is not even installed yet
[01:53] <marilenny> need some help using rhythmbox, says Could not open resource for writing when trying to play mp3
[01:53] <marilenny> ah cache :)
[01:53] <blueyed> Does anybody use the ubuntu krusader package? Could you please check if F1 works (== shows the help).
[02:06] <blueyed> Nobody using Krusader?
[02:06] <DaSkreech> What is it>
[02:06] <_luke> lol I'm not even using kubuntu anymore
[02:07] <blueyed> A filecommander, norton-commander like, DaSkreech.
[02:07] <DaSkreech> Oh. Nope :) not me :)
[02:07] <Consty> why not luke?
[02:07] <_luke> it doed
[02:07] <_luke> died*
[02:08] <Consty> died?  how?
[02:08] <blueyed> rm --real --fast?
[02:08] <_luke> fsck killed it haha
[02:08] <Consty> dannng, what fs?
[02:09] <_luke> filesystem?
[02:10] <Consty> si
[02:11] <Consty> dang crim, you work at ibm?
[02:11] <crim> yes
[02:11] <Consty> Nice, hook me up with a job when I get out of the airforce :)
[02:11] <crim> heh
[02:12] <Consty> Lot of the guys that work at IBM you know use ubuntu?
[02:12] <crim> quite a few use non-windows oses
[02:14] <Consty> crim: so what do you do at IBM?
[02:15] <DaSkreech> Build Cell chips!!
[02:16] <crim> Consty: I work on a ui framework used in admin systems across the platform of servers
[02:16] <Consty> crim: Nice, using java I'de assume?
[02:17] <crim> multiple languages
[02:17] <Consty> crim: You rewrite the same code for multiple languages?
[02:17] <DaSkreech> Drat :-)
[02:17] <Consty> crim: What languages exactly?
[02:18] <crim> Consty: no, I work on both low-level and arch-independent layers
[02:18] <crim> anything from asm to Java
[02:19] <Consty> crim: ohhh, nice.  Yeah I'm not so hot with assembler, never learned it.  I plan to when I go back for my BS though.
[02:19] <DaSkreech> I learned assembly
[02:19] <DaSkreech> Didn't think it was used much outside of BIOS production
[02:19] <crim> gah, 5.04.2 is out?!
[02:19] <Consty> Yeah, they say its the best language to start out with because it teaches you how a computer operates on a low level.  It makes using higher level languages like C++ much easier.
[02:20] <DaSkreech> Consty: It does
[02:20] <DaSkreech> It makes you hug them and curl up with them at night to get away from the horror of frying your proc with a wrong call :)
[02:20] <Consty> They didn't even offer it when I was getting my associates.
[02:23] <DaSkreech> It's a great language though just not very productive
[02:23] <Consty> crim: Did you ever hang out on efnet?
[02:23] <DaSkreech> Though I'm sure crim will disagree with me :)
[02:25] <crim> Consty: I have for about 9 years
[02:26] <Consty> Well I've always been interested in like emulation.  You use a lot of assembler for that to make it fast and do the same processes, just never had the time to learn it.
[02:26] <Consty> crim: Knew I recognized the name, you probably seen you on there a while back.
[02:26] <Consty> I probably seen you I mean.
[03:15] <SlicerDicer-> how do you install a .deb?
[03:18] <monchy> sudo dpkg -i name.deb methinks
[03:36] <Ghetek> how do i ask a question in bash?
[03:37] <kalenedrael> wha?
[03:37] <kalenedrael> why would you want to ask a question in bash...?
[03:38] <Ghetek> i want someone to specify something and then turn it into a variable
[03:38] <kalenedrael> hmm, like what?
[03:38] <DaSkreech> Oh You need user input?
[03:39] <DaSkreech> echo your question
[03:39] <Ghetek> yeah!
[03:39] <Ghetek> then how do i pickup their input?
[03:39] <DaSkreech> read variablename
[03:39] <Ghetek> aaaaah
[03:39] <Ghetek> thanks
[03:40] <DaSkreech> sure
[03:43] <othernoob> how come i get a "unsupported format" when i try to burn an mp3 in k3b, while the other mp3s from the same rip work just fine and where ripped the same ?
[03:47] <DaSkreech> It's a rubbish song?
[03:47] <DaSkreech> :-)
[03:47] <othernoob> heh..i highly doubt that ;)
[03:49] <kalenedrael> heh
[04:30] <DaSkreech> Speak!!
[04:32] <monchy> moo
[04:36] <kalenedrael> hatch
[04:37] <kan1> anyone got an idea why kppp dont work
[04:49] <Fuzmo> this OS is complete pwnage... nice work to the dev team of kubuntu and ubuntu
[05:00] <DaSkreech> k :-)
[05:24] <Consty> Using the live cd, I am attempting to use apt-get to install mplayer, however no matter what it always reports Couldn't find package.  Any ideas?
[05:25] <kalenedrael> ah, add the "universe" to /etc/apt/sources.list and then do apt-get update
[05:25] <Consty> thank you! 
[05:26] <kalenedrael> did it work?
[05:27] <Consty> yep :)
[05:28] <kalenedrael> cool
[05:29] <Consty> kalenedrael: why is it you have to run apt-get update anyway?  I'm on a fairly slow connection, kinda sucks
[05:29] <kalenedrael> running apt-get update queries each of the online databases so your system has an updated list of all the packages
[05:29] <kalenedrael> and dependencies, etc
[05:30] <Consty> ah, gotcha... kinda like emerge for gentoo
[05:30] <kalenedrael> after changing the sources.list, you have to apt-get update so apt-get gets the info from the added databases
[05:30] <kalenedrael> never used gentoo, wouldn't know
[05:31] <Consty> hmm, tried it and it still says it can't find it
[05:31] <Consty> after updating
[05:31] <liz4rd> sweet just installed kubuntu (i liek it better than ubuntu)
[05:32] <kalenedrael> hmm
[05:32] <kalenedrael> i like kde better than gnome
[05:32] <liz4rd> xfce4 for me
[05:33] <kalenedrael> Consty, try "apt-cache search mplayer"
[05:33] <liz4rd> oh yeah... does fluxbox even run well on kubuntu?
[05:33] <kalenedrael> for me, the package is called "mplayer-amd64"
[05:33] <kalenedrael> dunno
[05:33] <liz4rd> it worked like shit on ubuntu
[05:34] <liz4rd> so unstable and glitchy
[05:34] <Shuddertrix> i used a rigged ubuntu installation, fluxbox worked fine
[05:34] <Consty> kalenedrael: Only mga-vid-source shows up, nothing on mplayer
[05:34] <kalenedrael> actually, i prefer to build mplayer from source
[05:34] <kalenedrael> hmm, odd
[05:34] <kalenedrael> try adding multiverse then
[05:34] <kalenedrael> Consty, i assume you're running kubuntu hoary?
[05:34] <nmorse> marillat is needed to install mplayer
[05:35] <Consty> kalenedrael: Yes, live cd.
[05:35] <kalenedrael> hmm
[05:35] <Consty> just fidgeting with stuff
[05:35] <Consty> Till I actually install it this weekend.
[05:36] <kalenedrael> i will paste my /etc/apt/sources.list in a privmsg
[05:56] <Ghetek> whats the pause command in bash again?
[05:56] <kalenedrael> sleep
[05:57] <kalenedrael> i would have said "rtfm" but "sleep" is only one char longer and it likely has saved you a lot of time as compared to "rtfm" :P
[05:58] <kalenedrael> "sleep 1" for one second, "sleep 2" for two, etc...
[05:58] <Ghetek> how about till a key is pressed?
[05:59] <kalenedrael> um, then i don't know
[06:06] <liz4rd> ...
[06:09] <Ghetek> ...
[06:10] <monchy> . . .
[06:13] <transgress> wow you have a fan club chris
[06:16] <liz4rd> yeah they all be worken fo me yo
[06:16] <liz4rd> :P
[06:16] <transgress> okay i think you just lost your fan club
[06:17] <liz4rd> :O *sniff*
[06:20] <kalenedrael> liz4rd, liz4rd, he's our man!
[06:20] <kalenedrael> :P
[06:20] <liz4rd> :D
[06:20] <liz4rd> thank you 
[06:20] <liz4rd> what now transgress
[06:21] <kalenedrael> your fan club consists of one person
[06:21] <liz4rd> yay me!
[06:22] <monchy> lol
[06:23] <Ghetek> sorry guys... gotta ask again
[06:23] <Ghetek> how do i make my bash script pause (press any key to continue kinda thing)
[06:24] <kalenedrael> hmm
[06:24] <kalenedrael> well, i don't know
[06:24] <kalenedrael> wait for user input and discard it
[06:24] <kalenedrael> that would be "read"
[06:25] <transgress> hmm
[06:51] <ice_1963> why does kubuntu keep crashing ?????
[06:52] <ice_1963> well
[06:54] <ice_1963> hmm can't get no help
[06:54] <crimsun> what kernel are you using?
[06:55] <crimsun> or you can just leave, sure.
[06:55] <monchy> lol
[06:56] <monchy> lot's of impatient people these days
[06:59] <kalenedrael> haha
[07:00] <kalenedrael> someone should put "Be patient!" in the topic
[07:05] <Tm_T> kalenedrael: most of the people don't read topic
[07:08] <kalenedrael> put it a few times, in bold
[07:09] <hanseatic> hi everybuddy
[07:10] <monchy> hi dr.nick
[07:11] <hanseatic> dr.nick?
[07:12] <monchy> simpsons..never mind :(
[07:13] <hanseatic> k... ;o) only know the base characters ;o)
[07:13] <Octane> has anyone gotten kubuntu to work with the LAN chipset Marvell 88E8053
[07:13] <hanseatic> is this wlan?
[07:13] <monchy> here hanseatic lol, http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/2899/drnick.html
[07:14] <Octane> hanseatic wireless?
[07:14] <hanseatic> jep?
[07:14] <hanseatic> thanx for the cultural education, monchy ;o)
[07:14] <Octane> its a 3-1 it also has wireless support
[07:14] <Octane> but i want the lan to work
[07:14] <Octane> not the wireless
[07:15] <hanseatic> still sounds like newer hardware... 
[07:15] <Octane> oh its very new
[07:16] <monchy> oh finally ad-block for konq in 3.5
[07:18] <hanseatic> well, is there a linux driver yet?
[07:19] <hanseatic> I have messed up my /etc/environment... does anybody have an idea how to fix it?
[07:21] <monchy> ask in #ubuntu too
[07:22] <hanseatic> i have in ubuntu-de ;o)
[07:23] <Octane> fuck i really need my network card installed
[07:23] <Octane> and i cant find anythinga bout it in google
[07:24] <hanseatic> check the website of the manufacurer... or some linuxhardware database... since it's very new, ther probably is no driver yet
[07:25] <Octane> oh kubuntu
[07:25] <Octane> ITS SO BEAUTIFUL
[07:26] <monchy> yes it is
[07:27] <kalenedrael> yay, yes it si
[07:27] <kalenedrael> is
[07:30] <Octane> okay i think i found the module that i need to load for my ethernet to work
[07:30] <Octane> can someone please tell me how would i go about getting it up and running?
[07:31] <liz4rd> modprobe [thename that you think] 
[07:31] <liz4rd> sudo modprobe
[07:31] <Octane> hm its loaded up already though
[07:31] <Octane> i did lsmod and see it
[07:32] <liz4rd> and,,,
[07:32] <liz4rd> is it working
[07:32] <liz4rd> ?
[07:33] <Octane> brfbgonna try somethin
[07:33] <Octane> ] g\
[07:40] <liz4rd> wb
[08:08] <Ghetek> how do i make a file and add a line to it? example in batch "ipconfig > c:\mytext.txt"
[08:09] <Ghetek> for this "test" how do i make a file in /home/ called "hi.there" and add the line "hey" to it?
[08:09] <liz4rd> pico hi.there
[08:09] <liz4rd> :D
[08:50] <Ghetek> to everyone in the kubuntu forum by sunday evening i will put out a script that will install Postfix + Courier IMAP + MySQL + Amavisd-new + SpamAssassin + ClamAV + SASL + TLS + SquirrelMail + EgroupWare + FTP+ admin software. pretty much everything from flurdy's http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/ but easy to use. i am promising now that the script will ask no more than 15 very easy to answer questions.
[08:50] <Ghetek> oh yea... it also installs apache and php
[08:51] <Ghetek> and phpmyadmin
[08:51] <Ghetek> :-)
[08:54] <buz> Ghetek: where will you put it'
[08:54] <buz> also will there be a luser compatible administration gui for the mail accounts?
[08:54] <buz> i'm actually in the process of building a new mailserver...
[08:54] <Ghetek> it will all be accessible through the egroupware
[08:55] <Ghetek> any ideas buz... i will implement
[08:55] <buz> mhh virtualhosting is needed for our solution
[08:55] <Ghetek> i just finished making the portion of the script that configures the firewall
[08:55] <buz> ah THAT i do myself ;)
[08:56] <buz> respectively the core routers do it for me
[08:57] <buz> but i might go the exim route
[08:57] <buz> exim is incredibly powerful once you get into it
[08:57] <Ghetek> here a part of the script. just so you see what the questions are like
[08:57] <Ghetek> http://pastebin.com/298238
[08:58] <Ghetek> im trying to make this thing as easy for a network administrator as it would be for a mom 'n pop business
[09:01] <Ghetek> the hardest part was jut building all of the config files from user info and probing to get an internet connection
[09:02] <Ghetek> now that i got all that down im almost done
[09:02] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:02] <Tm_T> was there a tool/script to build deb from sources?
[09:03] <Ghetek> im 19 years old and i crashed my car 4 days ago. insurance isnt paying anything so im gonna put this thing up on ubuntuforums and ask for paypal donations of $5
[09:04] <buz> i'll surely have a look at it
[09:04] <Ghetek> my work doenst know that im using our server to host a sources.list and sample files... hehehe
[09:04] <Ghetek> hold on and i will post the shorewall portion
[09:04] <buz> mhh if you need some space drop me a line
[09:05] <buz> as long as you don't eat >2mbit it should be fine
[09:05] <Ghetek> i should be ok for the time being
[09:05] <Ghetek> later on if it works out i will build a repository at work
[09:06] <Ghetek> ok do not laugh! this is just the initial shorewall config
[09:06] <Ghetek> http://pastebin.com/298242
[09:06] <buz> will it support virtualhosts?
[09:06] <Ghetek> as the script adds more apps it keeps reconfiguring shorewall
[09:06] <Ghetek> havent gotten to that yet
[09:06] <Ghetek> but i will try
[09:06] <buz> it's a bit painful on postfix i've come to see
[09:07] <buz> but i need to migrate away from qmail in the longrun
[09:08] <Ghetek> well i suppose i could make the default installation a virtualhost with squirrelmail...
[09:08] <Ghetek> ok
[09:09] <Ghetek> well i will be done with this thing by sunday evening. hopefully people will download, like it, and donate.
[09:09] <Ghetek> after the crash my car has about of damage $1000 and my bank acount is -$65
[09:10] <Ghetek> so i decided to make a script
[09:10] <Ghetek> hehe
[09:11] <Ghetek> and on top of all of that my company may go out of business!
[09:11] <Ghetek> just bad times
[10:14] <MorphDK> Hey.. I got some problems.. I just installed Kubuntu 5.04, and did an apt-get upgrade
[10:14] <MorphDK> but kdelibs-data will not install :S
[10:14] <MorphDK> s/install/upgrade
[11:30] <somez> hi everyone!
[11:30] <firasR> hi somez 
[11:30] <somez> I'm a newbie with kubuntu, I switched from mandrake 10.1 and I need a little help from the experienced users
[11:30] <somez> first of all, can you tell me how can I install mc? :-)
[11:31] <somez> it's not listed in kynaptic
[11:31] <firasR> It's in the Universe repository
[11:31] <somez> and how can I add that repository to my apt database?
[11:31] <firasR> http://ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
[11:31] <somez> thanks
[11:32] <firasR> Bookmark that Guide, it's one of the best source of information for setting up Ubuntu
[11:32] <somez> okay
[11:32] <firasR> might I also suggest using Synaptic it's a little better than kynaptic (even tough it's a GTK app)
[11:32] <firasR> tough = though
[11:33] <somez> really?
[11:33] <firasR> somez:  oh yeah
[11:33] <somez> Synaptic is part of Ubuntu, not Kubunztu, Am I right?
[11:34] <firasR> well, kubuntu is just Ubuntu but with KDE instead of Gnome
[11:34] <somez> yeah I know :-)
[11:34] <firasR> u don't have to install all of Gnome to use GTK apps
[11:34] <firasR> just some libraries
[11:35] <firasR> the reverse is true, Gnome users can also use QT apps without installing all of KDE
[11:35] <somez> I know, but are the gnome packages are available for the kubuntu users?
[11:35] <firasR> oh yes ofcourse
[11:35] <somez> great!
[11:35] <jackson> hi, i've got a question, if someone can help that'd be great
[11:35] <firasR> they're all there in the repositories
[11:35] <somez> thanks
[11:36] <somez> I've found it :-)
[11:36] <firasR> somez:  another suggestion, you wanna add both the universe and the multiverse repositories (u'll find the instructions in that link)
[11:36] <somez> what is multiverse?
[11:36] <jackson> i just installed kubuntu and it didn't detect my monitor settings, ive never used linux before, how do i change the settings if not through configure desktop?
[11:38] <firasR> jackson:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:38] <somez> firasR: a strange thing happened after installing Synaptic...
[11:38] <somez> Synaptic appeared in the system menu
[11:38] <somez> but it won't start
[11:38] <somez> I've tried it from console
[11:38] <somez> with sudo synaptic
[11:38] <somez> but it win't start with my root passwd
[11:39] <somez> however I could start it with the normal user passwd 
[11:39] <firasR> jackson:  or directly by editting /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:39] <somez> after this
[11:39] <jackson> thanks
[11:39] <somez> I logged in as root
[11:39] <somez> and tried to start synaptic
[11:39] <somez> and it says
[11:39] <somez> root@ubuntu:/home/somez # synaptic
[11:39] <somez> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[11:39] <somez> Xlib: No protocol specified
[11:39] <somez> (synaptic:26395): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[11:39] <somez> sorry for the long paste
[11:40] <somez> so when I start it as normal user with the sudo command, it works
[11:40] <somez> but when I start it as root, I get the error above
[11:42] <somez> I've figured out, that using synaptic's configuration I can set the repositories a lot way easier... :-)
[11:42] <firasR> somez:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:44] <ilba7r> somez as general rule you should not login as root with graphical interface and unless you know what you want all the root privlages can be accessed using sudo
[11:44] <firasR> somez:  by default Ubuntu uses sudo instead of the normal root account
[11:45] <somez> ilba7r: thanks for warning me, I know this
[11:45] <somez> I need a little time to adopt :-)
[11:46] <ilba7r> somez you are welcomed know for the second part you said you can not execute synaptic from the menu am i correct
[11:46] <firasR> somez:  if u need to start/run anything as root just add sudo to the beggining of the command and enter your regular user's password
[11:46] <somez> ilba7r: yes that's what I said
[11:47] <somez> firasR: ok, thanks for the tip
[11:47] <ilba7r> ok try to edit the menu and in the ediiting add run as user put sudo
[11:47] <firasR> somez:  u shouldn't need to do this, but if u ever need to run an X (GUI) app as root from the console, as a regular user type:  xhost +localhost
[11:47] <ilba7r> with the mouse go to the menu and left click will open editing try that it might work
[11:48] <Somez> ilba7r: I didn't know that I can edit the KDE menus this way :-)
[11:48] <firasR> Somez:  but like i said earlier u can do everything in (k)Ubuntu with sudo instead
[11:48] <Somez> In mandrake 10.1 with kde 3.2.3 I couldn't do that
[11:48] <ilba7r> its quite helpfull especially when you need to reorganize the menu
[11:49] <ilba7r> just do not forget to save frequently i had some trouble organizing the menu
[11:49] <A[D] minS> Somez u can do in mandrake or any distro
[11:49] <firasR> u mean right click -> Edit Item
[11:49] <Somez> A[D] minS: maybe I wasn't good enough to figure this out by my self
[11:49] <A[D] minS> Somez: in mdk ues command " menudrake "
[11:50] <Somez> A[D] minS: that's ok, but I was talking about the menu righclick and editing method
[11:50] <Somez> not menudrake
[11:50] <firasR> Somez:  I think that feature wasn't there in earlier versions of KDE but it's there in 3.4
[11:50] <Somez> this is the first time I use KDE 3.4 :-)
[11:50] <Somez> and it looks very good
[11:50] <A[D] minS> ahaa u can edit too using mcc kde-config kde-menu
[11:50] <Somez> now I must add the multiverse repositories in synaptic somehow
[11:50] <Somez> A[D] minS: okay, thanks for this info :-)
[11:51] <A[D] minS> u welcome Somez 
[11:51] <Somez> hmm this is trange
[11:51] <Somez> strange
[11:51] <Somez> in the default reopsitories 
[11:51] <Somez> there are already the universe deb and deb-src
[11:52] <Somez> but it has the same url like tha main repository
[11:52] <A[D] minS> lool
[11:52] <ilba7r> uncomment them
[11:52] <Somez> and it's uncommented
[11:52] <Somez> :-)
[11:52] <firasR> Somez:  that's right, same servers
[11:52] <Somez> so what is the correct url for the universe?
[11:52] <ilba7r> its like different directories somez
[11:53] <Somez> ok, I check the server
[11:53] <ilba7r> the url for the server main multiverse and universe are like directories
[11:53] <Somez> I know
[11:53] <Somez> http://hu.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/
[11:54] <Somez> what do you think?
[11:54] <Somez> ups sorry
[11:54] <Somez> http://hu.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/universe/
[11:54] <Somez> this the one I wanted to paste
[11:54] <firasR> Somez:  take a look at my /etc/apt/source.list file  (or at least a part of it) here : http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/298274
[11:55] <firasR> whoops that's /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:55] <ilba7r> http://ubuntuguide.org/ i think this guide wil be quite helpfull somez
[11:56] <firasR> he's already got that link :)
[11:56] <firasR> just needs some time to read through the whole thing I guess 
[11:56] <Somez> thanks for the help guys, I figured out what was the problem and the universe is not added :-)
[11:56] <ilba7r> so use it somez it has all answeres to your questions so far
[11:56] <Somez> I simply needed to enable the universe reopsotiroy
[11:57] <Somez> ilba7r: ok, I know
[11:57] <ilba7r> if you use firefox just make search on repos
[11:57] <Somez> yeah I use firefox
[11:57] <Somez> what do you mean?
[11:57] <ilba7r> edit search then type repos will get you to the section of adding even extra repos
[11:57] <Somez> yeah! I've got the good old MC :-)
[11:58] <firasR> Somez:  congrats ! :)
[11:58] <ilba7r> welcome to the ubuntu comunity somez you will appreciate switching i did
[11:59] <firasR> Somez:  so u're on ur way to becoming a full fledged (k)Ubuntuer  :) hehe
[11:59] <Somez> :-)))
[11:59] <Somez> I really appreciate your help and patience guys :-)
[11:59] <Somez> thanks
[11:59] <Somez> I know it's better to browse the faqs, wikis and forums, but I'm in a hurry right now :-)
[12:00] <Somez> can you tell me is there an automount in ubuntu?
[12:00] <Somez> I've inserted my backup DVD but it's not automounted...
[12:00] <firasR> Somez:  just make sure to read through the whole http://ubuntuguide.org/ and if it's not there then check out the wiki http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage and the forums http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[12:00] <Somez> maybe I must make some tweaks?
[12:00] <Somez> thanks
[12:02] <firasR> Somez:  right click on the desktop -> Configure Desktop -> Behavior -> Device Icons , then check "Show device icons" and check all the appropriate boxes underneath
[12:03] <firasR> ilba7r:  inta min i3yaal al-Bahar ?
[12:04] <Somez> firasR: I use MC, because I don't like konqueror and MC shows that my DVD is not automounted 
[12:04] <Somez> however I could mount it manually 
[12:05] <firasR> haven't tried automounting, but if u do what i told u u'll get an icon of the DVD on ur desktop which u can just double click to  mount
[12:05] <ilba7r> firsar ana mish min i3yaal al bahar ana il ba7r himself lol
[12:05] <ilba7r> frisar so min ween il shabab
[12:05] <firasR> :)
[12:06] <firasR> ana min il Kuwait, winta ?
[12:06] <ilba7r> masr
[12:06] <firasR> itsharrafna  :) ahlan ib ahl masr
[12:06] <ilba7r> lia ana il sharaf my friend
[12:07] <ilba7r> firasr am afraid i got to go now was nice meeting you myfriend
[12:07] <ilba7r> take care all see you guys later
[12:07] <firasR> ilba7r:  take care, and it was a pleasure
[12:07] <jackson> sorry, how do i end a process that is locked?
[12:09] <jackson> as in i was editing xorg and got outa my depth so i just killed the window :S then when i tried to start again (i now know the info i needed) it says the config.dat is locked by another process
[12:12] <firasR> jackson:  what editor were u using ?
[12:13] <firasR> jackson:  pkill -9 editorname
[12:15] <jackson> using i typed sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in the konsole
[12:15] <firasR> try sudo pkill -9 dpkg-reconfigure
[12:16] <firasR> to check if it's still there or not type: pgrep -lf dpkg
[12:17] <jackson> sorry, i don't know what the editor name would be firasR
[12:19] <firasR> just run: sudo pkill -9 dpkg
[12:21] <jackson> thanks, i appreciate it :)
[12:22] <jackson> it says operation not permitted :(
[12:22] <firasR> did u type sudo first ?
[12:23] <jackson> thats okay man, lol, yeah, i figured that out ;)
[12:23] <konrad> Hi, do know Working mplyer DEBs for (k)Ububtu?
[12:23] <firasR> jackson:  :)
[12:23] <konrad> without upgrading libc6?
[12:23] <jackson> i've only been using linux for about 5 hours :D
[12:23] <Somez> :-)
[12:24] <firasR> jackson:  don't u just love it, first time using linux and u've gotta reconfigure ur X server ? hehe
[12:24] <firasR> jackson:  i remember the 1st time i had to do that, i was like what the hell is thing is X thing ? and why isn't working right ?!
[12:24] <firasR> hehe :)
[12:24] <jackson> yeah, well, its gotta be the first time ive had to think using a computer since i playing with dos about 10 years ago
[12:25] <firasR> jackson:  it'll pay off eventually
[12:25] <firasR> hopefully :)
[12:25] <jackson> hopefully :D
[12:26] <haffe> Hi, could someone help me with installing koffice? I have a repository, but I have no idea what I should do with it.
[12:26] <firasR> konrad:  what's wrong the mplayer-586 package in multiverse ?
[12:27] <konrad> firasR: ancient, that's wrong
[12:28] <konrad> firasR: 0.92 is definately too old
[12:28] <konrad> sorry, my mistake
[12:28] <firasR> firasR:  good enough :) hehe, don't use mplayer myself, i'm in between kaffeine and gxine, only use mplayer for the mozilla-mplayer plugin
[12:28] <konrad> but pre6 is old too
[12:29] <konrad> kaffeine have irritating bugs
[12:29] <firasR> konrad:  there's a fixed kaffeine package on the forums, works great
[12:29] <konrad> like it sometime don't quite and taking 50 % of CPU
[12:29] <konrad> firasR: but I like mplayer :)
[12:30] <firasR> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27670&highlight=kaffeine
[12:30] <firasR> konrad:  well that's ur prerogative :)
[12:30] <firasR> haffe : have u enabled the universe repository ?
[12:31] <firasR> haffe:  if u don't know what i'm talking about then read this http://ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
[12:31] <firasR> konrad:  what's the latest mplayer version ?
[12:31] <konrad> pre7
[12:32] <konrad> 1.0-pre7
[12:32] <konrad> pre6 had many bugs in GUI
[12:32] <haffe> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
[12:32] <haffe> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
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[12:32] <haffe> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
[12:32] <haffe> <meta name="Generator" content="Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor" />
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[12:32] <haffe>  deb http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
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[12:32] <haffe> Sorry for that.
[12:32] <konrad> like naging, bad alsa supprot etc. - changelog was HUGE
[12:33] <konrad> but now I have no choce
[12:33] <konrad> I can't install newer libc6
[12:33] <jackson> firasR> could you give me a hand just a little longer?
[12:33] <haffe> What I meant to say was. firasR do you mean uncommenting the lines deb http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe in /etc/apt/sources ?
[12:33] <Somez> damn, the localization is not good with kubuntu :-(
[12:33] <Somez> I write 
[12:34] <Somez> :-((
[12:34] <Somez> however it works in openoffice...
[12:34] <firasR> konrad:  u might have to go with sources then : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061&highlight=mplayer
[12:34] <konrad> firasR: I know how to install from source, but I hate it :)
[12:35] <firasR> haffe:  yes, then do an apt-get update or reload if ur using synaptic
[12:35] <Somez> firasR: don't you have a clue what can be the problem with my locale settings? I can't write some hungarian characters
[12:35] <Somez> only a 
[12:35] <Somez> is displaye
[12:35] <firasR> konrad:  u can't have it all ur way :) hehe
[12:35] <Somez> d
[12:35] <Somez> but in KDE, I set my language
[12:35] <konrad> firasR: only one problem is old libc6 in Houry
[12:35] <firasR> jackson:  sorry, what's up ?
[12:36] <firasR> haffe:  then apt-get install koffice
[12:36] <konrad> firasR: hehe, I can make my own DEB from mplayer source - but I'm toooo lazy
[12:37] <jackson> trying to install  Intel(R) Graphics Driver for Linux from their website.  i downloaded a tar to my desktop but don't know how to run it
[12:37] <konrad> it enought, that I install nvidia, fuse and lirc modules from source
[12:38] <haffe> Hmmm, talking about that. Is kynaptics really unstable or is it just me?
[12:39] <firasR> jackson:  go to the directory where u donwloaded the tarball, then run: tar -zxvf tarball_name.tar.gz -C /tmp
[12:39] <firasR> haffe:  don't know, i prefer using synaptic
[12:40] <firasR> jackson:  then cd to /tmp/tarball_name
[12:40] <firasR> jackson:  u should find an install or readme file, read it to see the instructions of how to install it
[12:41] <firasR> jackson:  usually u have to do "./configure" then "make" then "make install"
[12:41] <firasR> jackson:  sometimes there's an install.sh script which u just run by typing  ./install.sh
[12:42] <jackson> thanks heaps, ill give it a whirl
[12:42] <firasR> jackson:  good luck :)
[12:44] <firasR> Gotta run to a family lunch, take care all !
[12:44] <Somez> by
[12:44] <Somez> and thanks for the help
[12:44] <firasR> u're very welcome :)
[12:44] <Somez> ;-)
[12:49] <jackson> sorry guys, i don't seem to know my root password :S when would i have chosen it?
[12:52] <jackson> nope?
[12:52] <Somez> jackson the root passwd is the user passwd too
[12:52] <Somez> by defaultr
[12:52] <Somez> try that
[12:53] <jackson> yeah i did, doesnt seem to work though
[12:54] <Somez> :-(
[12:54] <rodolfo> jackson: where do you need the root password?
[12:55] <jackson> um, im installing a graphics drivers
[12:55] <jackson> so im in the directory and gotta go ./install.sh, but it says you need to be root
[12:56] <jackson> when i type sudo and it asks for a psswrd then i know it, but just su doesn't like the pass
[12:57] <rodolfo> for a root console, type "sudo -i" and input your user password
[12:57] <jackson> okay thanks
[01:01] <jackson> thanks heaps firasr
[01:01] <jackson> woops, sorry rodolfo
[01:05] <jackson> another question, i just tried to run the graphics driver from intel but it only supports other distros.  when i try to install manually it asks for video card name (i have no idea) and graphics card name (no idea either) any suggestions?  
[01:20] <dani> hi everyone
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[01:22] <dani> hi everyone
[01:22] <dani> i have installed the amd64 version and I am looking for the correct package of lame
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> not in the apt- repositries?
[01:23] <dani> no...
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> its in universal
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> mines in the marillat repos... but i think k/ubuntu have one in thiers
[01:24] <dani> i found one that is dependent on libc 2.3.2.ds1-21
[01:24] <dani> but this libc versin is not available
[01:25] <dani> not in universal
[01:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> and your running hoary?
[01:26] <NothingButYou> it's in multiverse
[01:26] <NothingButYou> and it's installable :)
[01:28] <NothingButYou> depends on libc >= 2.3.2.ds1-4
[01:32] <Goshawk> hi to all
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[01:42] <Somez> guys can someone help me with the latest ATI driver installation?
[01:42] <Somez> I've downloaded the installer program
[01:42] <Somez> but it needs the kernel source...
[01:42] <Somez> I couldn't find the kernel source in the repositories...
[01:42] <Somez> How can I solve this problem?
[01:55] <webmind> good afternoon
[01:56] <xero> hello
[02:04] <rodolfo> Somez: what ATI driver are you talking about?
[02:05] <webmind> hmm
[02:05] <webmind> is there an easy way to switch from plain ubuntu to kubuntu ?
[02:05] <webmind> without reinstalling ?
[02:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[02:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo 
[02:05] <webmind> will that replace the ubuntu setup, or sit next to it ?
[02:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> sit next to as far as i know
[02:08] <webmind> cool
[02:08] <webmind> thanks
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> no worries
[02:09] <webmind> it's broken?
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> breezy
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> and i dont know how to install without a dependancy check
[02:11] <_dani> ok, what line do I add for multiverse ?
[02:11] <\sh> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu multiverse
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> remeber the version
[02:20] <_dani> well... i get into some dependency conflict:
[02:20] <_dani> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:20] <_dani>   lame: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[02:20] <_dani> E: Broken packages
[02:20] <_dani> RESULT=100
[02:25] <_dani> join #kubuntu
[02:26] <_dani> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:26] <_dani>   lame: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[02:26] <_dani> E: Broken packages
[02:26] <_dani> RESULT=100
[02:29] <_xero> i just finished installing Kubuntu on my system.  and the text is extremely small.. how can i fix this?
[02:35] <_dani> small in the kde desktop?
[02:38] <_jackson> hi guys, question for you.  trying to fix known bug for Intel 82845G chipset.
[02:40] <jackson> hi guys, question for you. trying to fix known bug for Intel 82845G chipset.
[02:40] <jackson> woops, sorry
[02:41] <jackson>   It won't give me the correct (1200x1024 or 1024x768) display.  Trying to edit the xorg.conf file to bring it up.  Under Section "Monitor" I have put in the correct Horiz Sync value and VertRefresh.  I have also changed the subsection "Display" to include the higher values.  When I save nothing comes changes.  Any suggestions?
[02:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> did you restart XDM/KDM
[02:42] <jackson> no, do you think i just need to reboot?
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, just type "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> it will close your x sesion
[02:43] <jackson> cool, thanks kaizer
[02:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> no sweat, head back if you have trouble
[02:44] <jackson> thanks a lot
[03:02] <jackson> hi, i just restarted my session after editing xorg.conf to fix Intel graphics settings but it hasn't changed anything
[03:02] <jackson> im still stuck with 800x600
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. can you paste bin your xorg?
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> .conf
[03:03] <jackson> sure, to you directly?
[03:05] <jackson> sorry i don't know what paste bin means eithers :(
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> www.pastebin.com
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> copy the contents of your xorg.conf to pastebin and post the link
[03:08] <othernoob> does anyone know, why k3b (as well as nero in xp) give me the message "unsupported format" for one particular mp3, while the other 12, which were ripped the same, work just fine, when adding to an audio-cd project ? 
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> is the file corrupt?
[03:08] <othernoob> no i can play it fine
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> pass :S
[03:09] <othernoob> lol
[03:11] <jackson> done kaiser posted as jackson
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> k
[03:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> you got one of the i810s? ppl have had problems with them
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> posted back as kaiser
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> just trimmed out some entrys
[03:16] <jackson> yeah, ive read all the posts on google i could find.  thanks
[03:19] <jackson> sorry kaiser, how do i paste it over the current conf in the terminal?
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> what termial is it
[03:20] <Tm_T> othernoob: mp3 can be corrupted even if it plays fine
[03:20] <othernoob> Tm_T well, how do i find out ?
[03:20] <Tm_T> dunno =)
[03:20] <othernoob> heh
[03:21] <jackson> konsole
[03:21] <jackson> newest kubuntu
[03:21] <othernoob> Tm_T but why would it be corrupted anyway. all coming from the same rip ?
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> actualy
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> just "sudo kate /path/to/xorg.config"
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> and use that
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Tm_T
[03:24] <Tm_T> hullo kaiser
[03:24] <Tm_T> othernoob: easy, if ripper sucks
[03:25] <jackson> thanks kaiser
[03:25] <othernoob> mmh.. you mean.. the 14 cds it ripped it always sucked but never made a mistake but with one single mp3 ?
[03:26] <Tm_T> yes
[03:26] <othernoob> possible..
[03:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes :P
[03:26] <othernoob> heh.. so.. anyone of you know a good ripper ?
[03:26] <othernoob> then i'll rip that one song again..
[03:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> Linux or doze?
[03:27] <othernoob> doesnt matter.. linux would be better though
[03:28] <othernoob> since i hardly use win..just for dvdshrink ;)
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> win would be EAC, not sure about Lin
[03:38] <Tm_T> othernoob: use Kaudioripper ;)
[03:46] <othernoob> Tm_T would you also know a program which let's me cut the mp3 in pieces ? because with kaudiocreater it'd be 31 mins long (~20 mins silence)
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> audacity?
[03:52] <Tm_T> yeah, audacity is ok
[03:55] <othernoob> uhm, btw, where does kaudiocreator save the ripped file by default
[03:56] <Tm_T> othernoob: check settings
[03:56] <othernoob> i did, didnt find it
[04:02] <Tm_T> http://people.zoy.org/~sam/phd-sarge.png
[04:04] <shen> would this be a good channel to ask a question about problems compiling a program using the qt libs on ubuntu?
[04:05] <othernoob> depends, do you like sheep ;)
[04:07] <jesusfish> anyone here use the M-Audio Revolution 5.1?
[04:11] <Tm_T> shen: what program?
[04:21] <shen> tm_T: the pinedit package that is part of pinball
[04:21] <Tm_T>  ah ok
[04:21] <Tm_T> and the problem is?
[04:21] <shen> it seems to need an earlier version of the qt stuff then is available
[04:22] <Tm_T> hmm
[04:22] <shen> I'm getting this error when I run ./configure
[04:22] <shen> configure: error: *** Don't know how to handle this Qt major version
[04:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> is there more to the error?
[04:23] <shen> I have 1 daysworth of linux experience, so am pretty happy I've been able to compile and install the main pinball package.
[04:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> nice
[04:24] <shen> well, I am running ./configure with the --with-qtdir option.
[04:24] <shen> the last three lines of the configure output are :
[04:24] <shen> checking QTDIR... yes
[04:24] <shen> checking Qt version... grep: yes/include/qglobal.h: No such file or directory
[04:24] <shen> configure: error: *** Don't know how to handle this Qt major version
[04:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> did you point it at the right dir?
[04:25] <shen> I have no idea
[04:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> it looks to me like you got the wrong dir for QT
[04:26] <shen> The ubuntu packages (pinball, pinball-data, pinball-dev) refuse to apt-get becasue they have conflicting version numbers
[04:26] <shen> Kamping_Kaiser: Could be. Any pointers on how to check that? I could be missing some dependency still I guess
[04:26] <shen> I think I grabbed most of the kde dev stuff, but I could be wrong
[04:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> i would think that the --with-qtdir option would reqire you to point at the dir used for qt
[04:29] <shen> ok, so I need to workout what that QT directory is, or what package I need to install to have it created
[04:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> did you download qt?
[04:30] <shen> I've got qt3-apps-dev
[04:30] <shen> qt3-dev-tools
[04:30] <shen> a few other odds and sods. There doesn't seem to be a package just called "qt"
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> in one of those it will be, but i dont know which you need
[04:35] <shen> I'll try installing a few more of the qt3 packages then
[04:35] <shen> This is a hard way to get stuff installed - randomly install other packages in the hopes they may be a dependency :-)
[04:36] <shen> where abouts do headers get put in the file heiarchy?
[04:38] <shen> how would I check what the value of an environment variable is from the terminal?
[04:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> shen. try configure without the switch you called it with and see what happens
[04:38] <shen> then it complains that QTDIR isn't defined
[04:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. ok
[04:39] <shen> checking QTDIR... configure: error: *** QTDIR must be defined, or --with-qtdir option given
[04:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> ask somewhere where the QT sources are
[04:40] <thoreauputic> shen:  apt-cache search libqt | grep dev
[04:45] <shen> these are the two relevent looking ones:
[04:45] <penguinboy> can someone lend me some help, please?
[04:45] <shen> libqt3-dev - Qt development files
[04:45] <shen> libqt3-mt-dev - Qt development files (Threaded)
[04:45] <shen> but I think I have them installed already
[04:46] <thoreauputic> shen: dpkg -l <package> to see ( should be ii in the first column)
[04:47] <rodolfo> is there a way to change the font size in apps like e.g. xchat in kubuntu?
[04:50] <shen> ok, so I have the libqt3-mt-dev package installed
[04:50] <shen> and the libqt3-compat-headers package
[04:51] <shen> but still no qtdir environment variable
[04:51] <shen> thoreauputic: How do I check for the QTDIR variable without running ./configure?
[04:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> penguinboy noone can help untill they know the problem
[04:52] <shen> echo $QTDIR?
[04:54] <shen> does anyone else have that variable set? If so, what is it, maybe I can have a look around that area of my drive, and see what I can find
[04:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, qtdir is not part of the environment
[04:56] <shen> oh, do you mean QTDIR is a program?
[04:56] <Tm_T> what
[04:56] <Tm_T> huoh
[04:56] <Tm_T> off we go ->
[05:05] <shen> I can find the file it seems to be looking for - qtglobal.h
[05:06] <shen> but it is impossible to give a QTDIR that leads to that file.
[05:06] <shen> it is in usr/includes/qt3
[05:06] <shen> but whatever directory you give as QTDIR it adds /includes onto the end
[05:07] <shen> sorry /include/ inboth cases
[05:07] <shen> Tm_T: were your last few comments aimed at me?
[05:11] <shen> yes, I seem to have cracked it. Thanks guys
[05:15] <sproingie> anyone here use koffice?
[05:15] <sproingie> wondering how stable it is these days
[05:16] <sproingie> just tried openoffice for the first time since, well, staroffice.  i've come to despise the wordprocessor part
[05:16] <shen> bah, now make is crappy out because it can't find a function definition
[05:16] <penguinboy> I am trying to install bookcase from tarball.  I downloaded tellico-0.13.7.tar.gz.  From terminal I ran #tar xvzf tellico-0.13.7.tar.gz and the files were displayed on screen.  I then typed cd tellico[tab]  and chabged into the tellico directory.  I then typed ./configure and got this message:  configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH...so I installed gcc.  I then ran ./configure and got this message:  configure: error: C++ preprocesso
[05:16] <penguinboy> ny ideas on what to do now?????
[05:16] <sproingie> penguinboy: you need to install g++
[05:16] <penguinboy> thanks
[05:18] <penguinboy> thanks sproingie...it looks promising...but now I have this message:  checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[05:23] <sproingie> penguinboy: install xorg-dev.  rule of thumb, if configure complains about something missing, install the -dev package for whatever it's complaining about
[05:24] <sproingie> er, -devel even
[05:24] <penguinboy> thanks
[05:24] <sproingie> hm, there seems to be no standard whether to use -dev or -devel, come to look at it
[05:24] <sproingie> probably hysterical raisins
[05:25] <penguinboy> E: Couldn't find package xorg-dev
[05:30] <penguinboy> what shouold I do if it cannot find package xorg-dev?
[05:37] <shen> penguinboy - try libx11-dev
[05:39] <penguinboy> shen: FANTASTIC!!  Thant did it!  Thanks a million!
[05:40] <penguinboy> shen: my next step should be make but when I type make I get this error:  make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[05:41] <penguinboy> should I type make tellico-0.13.7.tar.gz?????
[05:42] <mrmanic> penguinboy: are you sure you're in the right directory?
[05:42] <penguinboy> penguinboy@desktop:~/tellico-0.13.7$             
[05:43] <penguinboy> penguinboy@desktop:~/tellico-0.13.7$ ls
[05:43] <mrmanic> that looks like it should be right
[05:43] <penguinboy> acinclude.m4  config.h.in      COPYING     libtool        NEWS             tellico.dtd         xslt
[05:43] <penguinboy> aclocal.m4    config.log       depcomp     ltmain.sh      po               tellico.lsm         x-tellico.desktop
[05:43] <mrmanic> did you ./configure?
[05:43] <penguinboy> admin         config.sub       doc         Makefile.am    README           tellico-rename.upd
[05:43] <penguinboy> AUTHORS       configure        icons       Makefile.in    src              tellico.spec
[05:43] <penguinboy> ChangeLog     configure.in     INSTALL     missing        subdirs          tellico.tips
[05:43] <penguinboy> config.guess  configure.in.in  install-sh  mkinstalldirs  tellico.desktop  TODO
[05:43] <penguinboy> penguinboy@desktop:~/tellico-0.13.7$                 
[05:43] <penguinboy> yes
[05:43] <Tm_T> oh no
[05:43] <mrmanic> hrm
[05:44] <penguinboy> there is Makefile.am and Makefile.in listed
[05:47] <penguinboy> hecking for libz... configure: error: not found.
[05:47] <penguinboy>           Possibly configure picks up an outdated version
[05:47] <penguinboy>           installed by XFree86. Remove it from your system.
[05:47] <mrmanic> ergh, gotta run
[05:47] <mrmanic> Good luck, penguinboy 
[05:47] <mrmanic> afk
[05:48] <penguinboy> so I am apt-get installing libz-dev
[05:50] <morten> .... Anyone of you tried Apollon ?
[05:52] <penguinboy> sorry....no
[05:53] <penguinboy> what does it do?
[05:54] <morten> Somekind of Download/peer-2-peer/something
[05:54] <morten> Not sure
[07:29] <sobersabre> how can i have icons for mounted CDs or flashdisks ?
[07:30] <duende> what do you mean?
[07:30] <duende> on your desktop?
[07:30] <KaiL> you should get them automatically
[07:30] <sobersabre> yep
[07:30] <duende> yeah, what kail said
[07:30] <KaiL> ...as long as you aren't on breezy, there it's broken
[07:30] <sobersabre> i didn't it was probably bad desktop files from sarge
[07:31] <KaiL> more bad settings ;)
[07:31] <KaiL> updateing from sarge leaves some problems
[07:31] <sobersabre> hm.
[07:31] <sobersabre> i did wil
[07:31] <duende> Well, you could create them manually by right-clicking on the deskotp, go to Create New, then link to device
[07:32] <sobersabre> wipe files to .old_kde_files
[07:32] <sobersabre> duende, i got it done now actually
[07:32] <duende> ok
[07:32] <sobersabre> via desktop settings
[07:32] <KaiL> duende: NOT that icons
[07:32] <KaiL> there are dynamic icons
[07:32] <sobersabre> and ... how can i have "Home" icon ?
[07:33] <sobersabre> to open me ~ with konqi
[07:33] <KaiL> for that you can create a link to the URL /home/user/ :(
[07:33] <KaiL> eh :)
[07:37] <martijn> can someone tell me howto install a .deb file?
[07:43] <duende> markc: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[07:43] <duende> er
[07:43] <duende> martijn rather
[07:47] <ToyMan> hi all
[07:48] <de`angelo> anybody help me
[07:48] <ToyMan> i'm thinking of switching over to kubuntu on my laptop and had a few general questions...
[07:48] <de`angelo> got some trouble with partimage
[07:49] <NothingButYou> Guten Abend... Good Evening... Hi all :}
[07:49] <dtorg29> ToyMan: I added Kubuntu to my laptop and its great
[07:49] <ToyMan> I booted the live disk last night and checked out 'synaptic' pkg mngmnt... maybe i missed something, but it didn't seem like there were that many packages...
[07:50] <ToyMan> dtorg29, yes,gentoo, and now kubuntu are the only things that will  boot on this lapper so far
[07:50] <NothingButYou> maybe you have not added the multiverse and universe repos..
[07:50] <de`angelo> is there anybody having experiences with partimage?
[07:50] <ToyMan> i usually use fbsd, but no go on an hp pavillion zx5280
[07:50] <gdh> ToyMan: synaptic even gives you GUI features to enable universe + multiverse repos :)
[07:51] <ToyMan> how many pkgs in synaptic?
[07:51] <ToyMan> and how up to date is it kept?
[07:51] <bigbill52a> finally figured out how to install the ati driver
[07:51] <de`angelo> hello..
[07:51] <NothingButYou> enough up-to-date
[07:51] <bigbill52a> what is the sources.list entry for the latest kde?
[07:51] <gdh> ToyMan: about the same number as Debian. And like debian, the packages in a release do not change except for security + major bugfixes
[07:52] <NothingButYou> bigbill52a: see topic
[07:52] <gdh> ToyMan: Next release will be breezy in October.
[07:52] <Tm_T> why not to wait next Debian release ;--P
[07:52] <dtorg29> ToyMan: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[07:52] <ToyMan> hmm. ok.  gentoo put out  packages very quick, but they seemed to break...
[07:52] <ToyMan> ah dtorg29, thanks
[07:53] <gdh> Tm_T: :) Yeh, I'll make a date in my diary for June 2008.
[07:53] <NothingButYou> that's too early :}
[07:53] <ToyMan> freebsd ports lags a little behind, but it *never* breaks....
[07:53] <gdh> ToyMan: That's because Gentoo are a pack of clueless 1337 wannabes :)
[07:53] <ToyMan> heh, i'm just tired of constant tweaking to keep things working
[07:54] <gdh> gcc -O6 -funroll-loops? 
[07:54] <gdh> get a life, retards :)
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[07:54] <Tm_T> gdh: good idea, but I'll put it to 2009 october ;)
[07:54] <gdh> hehhe
[07:55] <ToyMan> ah, so it's still apt-get, synaptic is just fancy schmancy front end then?
[07:56] <bigbill52a> in the older version my  screensavers would freeze the system, has that been fixed
[07:56] <NothingButYou> haven't I seen that phrase before :))))))) Tm_T :P
[07:56] <NothingButYou> "synaptic is just fancy schmancy front end then?"
[07:57] <ToyMan> hmmmm. anyone here running win4lin?
[07:57] <Tm_T> yes, apt <3
[07:58] <ToyMan> NothingButYou, I used to run debian a few years back, so apt-get I'm comfortable with
[07:58] <Tm_T> ToyMan: so stay away from guis then ;)
[07:58] <ToyMan> just poking my nose into kubuntu, so learning the basics...
[07:59] <ToyMan> i guesse, coming from freebsd, that's my usual choice
[07:59] <NothingButYou> freebsd.. brr.. 
[07:59] <Tm_T> netbsd o/
[08:00] <NothingButYou> damn it, there people do not understand that I dont want CheAp V1Agra...
[08:00] <Tm_T> hah
[08:05] <bigbill52a> has anyone else experienced kde gl screensavers locking up your system..
[08:06] <NothingButYou> bigbill52a: does glxgears lock your system?
[08:06] <bigbill52a> no
[08:06] <NothingButYou> well you should not have problems..
[08:06] <bigbill52a> and in debian..no locking my system
[08:07] <bigbill52a> ati drivers properly installed
[08:08] <NothingButYou> they work fine for me.. 
[08:08] <bigbill52a> warning the ati drivers in restricted are xfree86 drivers..they should be xorg drivers...
[08:08] <bigbill52a> they work fine for me in debian..but not in kubuntu
[08:08] <bigbill52a> the gnome screensavers work fine..which are the same ones in kde
[08:09] <NothingButYou> hmm... got no idea
[08:09] <ToyMan> Is anyone here using win4lin?
[08:09] <ToyMan> does it work with kubuntu?
[08:10] <NothingButYou> no reason not to work :)
[08:10] <bigbill52a> i have amd-64 with ati 9600 using k7  kernal..but they lock up even with 386 kernal
[08:10] <ToyMan> NothingButYou,  heh, right...  lot's of things work just like that ;-)
[08:22] <liz4rd> is no one alive?
[08:24] <Tm_T> all dead
[08:24] <liz4rd> lol
[08:24] <liz4rd> hey Tm_T
[08:24] <liz4rd> the milk guy right
[08:24] <Tm_T> ... wtf
[08:25] <liz4rd> nvm
[08:25] <Tm_T> ah yes!
[08:25] <Tm_T> now I remember
[08:33] <el_zor0> I'm getting really frustrated with DCOP
[08:33] <el_zor0> can't find a way to get # of new messages from KORN or unread posts from aKregator
[08:33] <el_zor0> anyone knwo a way to get that?
[08:40] <Far^Side> Does anyone know if it is possible to mount "cdrecord clone image" trough loop back device? I just get wrong fs type error
[08:40] <Far^Side> or is there a way of converting that format to a standard ISO file?
[08:40] <el_zor0> not sure, I've done nrgs and cue/bins by converting to iso
[08:41] <el_zor0> do an apt-cache search for the file extension
[08:41] <gdh> Far^Side: I had to use this under Wine... http://www.ezbsystems.com/ultraiso/
[08:42] <gdh> feck knows where I got a serial for it from :)
[08:42] <Shuddertrix> you could try using a tool with wine, or perhaps something like ccd2iso
[08:42] <Shuddertrix> err
[08:42] <Shuddertrix> ext2iso
[08:43] <gdh> Shuddertrix: no, you were right the first time:)
[08:43] <gdh> http://sourceforge.net/projects/ccd2iso/
[08:43] <Shuddertrix> that's clonecd though
[08:43] <Shuddertrix> unless that's what he means
[08:44] <gdh> I assume so,  "cdrecord clone image" doesn't mean much to me
[08:45] <Far^Side> or actually, I just need a way of ripping to wav or ogg from a CDDA image
[08:47] <Far^Side> gdh, I made that image file with k3b
[08:49] <gdh> Far^Side: Ah, ok you just did a burn to an image rather than to a real CD-R ?
[08:50] <Far^Side> gdh, yes, something like that
[08:52] <slicslak> what's a good tool for ripping audio cds?
[08:52] <Far^Side> I just used k3b 
[08:52] <gdh> slicslak: kaudiocreator - CD ripper and audio encoder frontend
[08:53] <gdh> that was in "apt-cache search kde ripper"
[08:53] <slicslak> thanks gdh, i was wondering how to search from the command line
[08:58] <gdh> slicslak: read this - tons of good info. http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[09:14] <abisen_of> i have 2 GB of RAM 
[09:14] <abisen_of> but only one GB is being recognized by liinux
[09:15] <Tm_T> abisen_of: maybe because of kernel
[09:15] <crimsun> abisen_of: you need to install a kernel other than the default one, which doesn't have highmem support enabled
[09:16] <abisen_of> crimsun: is there a readymade kernel or do i need to compile myself
[09:16] <crimsun> for instance, if you have a p4, use linux-686
[09:16] <crimsun> no, just aptitude install
[09:16] <abisen_of> crimsun: yeah i have p4
[09:16] <liz4rd> dam i'm tryingto install gimp...but its trying to connect... is it hanging for anyone els?
[09:16] <crimsun> sudo aptitude install linux-686
[09:18] <liz4rd> if someone hasnt installed gimp yet...they wanna try it
[09:19] <liz4rd> so i know if if its just my repos
[09:19] <gdh> how does Krita 'kompare'?
[09:27] <liz4rd> or not
[09:27] <liz4rd> :P
[09:34] <gdh> liz4rd: gimp is fine, it's just you :)
[09:35] <gdh> you'll just be experiencing network problems to whatever mirror you're using
[09:35] <gdh> use another one for the moment
[09:40] <liz4rd> how
[09:40] <liz4rd> ?
[09:40] <liz4rd> edit the repos?
[09:40] <gdh> of course
[09:40] <liz4rd> it hangs on the connecting part
[09:40] <gdh> put another country code in
[09:40] <liz4rd> ok
[09:42] <gdh> e.g. deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[09:47] <liz4rd> wheres the file located?
[09:47] <gdh> please, use google and www.ubuntuguide.org :)
[09:47] <gdh> you'll teach yourself a lot more that way :)
[09:48] <liz4rd> asking questions works the same aswell ;) but alright
[09:48] <liz4rd> i'm the first n00b with WILL read documentation
[09:48] <liz4rd> :P
[09:52] <randabis> I wish I could get my hands on that ubuntu add-on cd :/
[09:52] <randabis> dumb lawsuits :(
[09:52] <gdh> what's on that?
[09:53] <randabis> everything that you need to get full media supoort and much more 10 minutes after installation
[09:53] <randabis> just something to save a little time
[09:54] <gdh> from google's cache it looks like a dirty hack
[09:55] <randabis> it was on ubuntuguide for a time
[09:55] <gdh> yeh so I saw :)
[09:55] <migastro> hi, i just installed kubuntu but i couldn't install Lilo or grub, how can i do it now from the LiveCD
[10:16] <arthurb> Hi, is it normal that, although it is installed, kmail doens't show up in the kmenu ?
[10:17] <gdh> arthurb: Yeh, it's incorporated in 'Kontact' now
[10:17] <gdh> although there's nothing to stop you running 'kmail' alone
[10:17] <arthurb> ok
[10:17] <arthurb> it is kubuntu behaviour or kde 3.4 ?
[10:17] <gdh> if you don't need/want calendar/diary/notes/todo, etc....
[10:17] <gdh> no idea :)
[10:18] <thoreauputic> arthurb: I believe kmail is in kontact in KDE now
[10:19] <nmorse> It is
[10:19] <nmorse> Not wholly though
[10:19] <nmorse> One can use it on its own
[10:19] <thoreauputic> right
[10:25] <arthurb> I have an old ~/Mail/ from kmail, where should I put it now ?
[10:29] <arthurb> nevermind found it
[10:34] <\sh> anybody knows something about kdebluetooth?
[10:35] <Tm_T> it's kde app and has something to do with BT
[10:35] <Tm_T> ;)
[10:36] <\sh> lol yes
[10:36] <arthurb> not at all, it's about mint toothpaste
[10:36] <Tm_T> :o
[10:36] <gdh> must be a regional joke =)
[10:37] <Tm_T> arthurb: and there's footprint in logo?
[10:37] <el_zor0> the one thing that anoys me in kubuntu is the lack of good spyware and adware apps
[10:37] <osh> Is there a keyboard shortcut to switch tabs in firefox? Ctrl-TAB is taken by KDE.
[10:37] <Tm_T> osh: alt+<number>
[10:38] <Tm_T> el_zor0: spy... what?
[10:38] <arthurb> el_zor0: actually you can run them with wine
[10:38] <el_zor0> arthurb: thats a good point, hadn't thought of that, thx!
[10:38] <Tm_T> arthurb: and cedega
[10:38] <arthurb> I experienced the same problem
[10:38] <el_zor0> apt-get install whenusave gator-network
[10:38] <arthurb> I used to have excellent advice on how to buy cheap viagra or tiny spycams
[10:38] <el_zor0> not found!
[10:38] <osh> Tm_T: Oh yes. Works quite well. Thanks.
[10:38] <arthurb> now I'm lost and confused
[10:39] <arthurb> actually there is an adbar extension for firefox
[10:39] <el_zor0> I get those viagra ads with subject "adolph"
[10:39] <el_zor0> oh cool
[10:39] <arthurb> we all now he was a hard man
[10:40] <el_zor0> "ein reich, ein volk, ein schlong pill"
[10:40] <gdh> el_zor0: don't forget you can run IE6 itself with wine, so you can still have lovely win32 spyware :)
[10:40] <el_zor0> sweet, I need to go download all my toolbars!
[10:42] <gdh> and don't forget those '500 <FLASHING>FREE</FLASHING> cool emoticons for your email!!!'
[10:44] <el_zor0> why am I getting 404s off of us.archive.ubuntu.com?
[10:45] <Tm_T> el_zor0: us. ...
[10:45] <gdh> American archive 'denies all knowledge'
[10:46] <gdh> more at 11.
[10:46] <el_zor0> yeah, the us mirrors
[10:46] <nmorse> hmm
[10:47] <el_zor0> as per the unofficial starter guide
[10:47] <nmorse> yesterday I tested the new ATI driver installer, but I used the ncurses one
[10:47] <el_zor0> and they worked since I installed, just broken now :-/
[10:47] <nmorse> I should try the GUI installer
[10:47] <nmorse> That would be better for adding to the BinaryDriverHowto anyway
[10:48] <arthurb> the fglrx driver is not much better than the free driver
[10:48] <arthurb> I used to have it
[10:48] <arthurb> and I was surprised when I switched to the free one... same fps on glxgears
[10:48] <nmorse> It's much better for a 9500+
[10:48] <nmorse> I have no 3D at all without it
[10:48] <nmorse> 9600 SE
[10:48] <arthurb> oh
[10:48] <arthurb> it's 9000 for me
[10:49] <nmorse> Yeah, the 9000 has great DRI support
[10:49] <arthurb> only the transparency suxs
[10:49] <iuliux> i've got a problem with the network
[10:49] <KaiL> the free Driver supports all cards up to 9250.
[10:49] <nmorse> I think I'm going to try the new GUI installer
[10:49] <KaiL> arthurb: did you set EnablePageFlip?
[10:49] <nmorse> I haven't put the fglrx driver on my laptop yet, and I have the 320M IGP
[10:49] <arthurb> well, indeed xcomposite sucks with the free driver and crashes with the binary
[10:49] <iuliux> it's shows me the workgroup but only I am in it :(
[10:49] <arthurb> KaiL: x'plain how !
[10:49] <KaiL> nmorse: IGP is another driver afaik
[10:49] <nmorse> xcomposite's normal composite manager should never be used
[10:50] <KaiL> arthurb: a line for the Section "Device"
[10:50] <KaiL> Option "EnablePageFlip" "true"
[10:50] <nmorse> The IGP is supported according to ati.com
[10:50] <KaiL> arthurb: gives some more fps here
[10:51] <nmorse> anyone else here have the IGP 320M?
[10:51] <iuliux> i've got a problem with the network
[10:51] <iuliux> i've got a problem with the network
[10:51] <iuliux> it's shows me the workgroup but only I am in it :(
[10:51] <nmorse> Using the "ati" driver I'm only getting 191 FPS in glxgears
[10:51] <iuliux> can anyone help me?
[10:52] <iuliux> fglrxinfo??
[10:52] <KaiL> nmorse: software..
[10:52] <iuliux> what's showing fglrxinfo?
[10:52] <Shuddertrix> nmorse, the igp 320m stinks, i never ran linux with mine, so I'm not sure if it's supported by any 3D drivers or not..
[10:53] <Shuddertrix> Err, never ran Xfree/Xorg. I did have linux running, but just in framebuffer for awhile.
[10:54] <nmorse> I'm hoping the IGP's good enough for some UT2004
[10:54] <liz4rd> Shuddertrix: what are you running then?
[10:54] <KaiL> lol
[10:54] <arthurb> could someone   sudo cat /etc/fstab | grep cdrom  ?
[10:55] <arthurb> I have /dev/hdb        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0 but it seems to cause problem to kde
[10:56] <Shuddertrix> liz4rd: I don't have it anymore, and I run kubuntu in vmware now if you're wondering.
[10:57] <Shuddertrix> If you mean video-card wise, I have a GF4 Ti4200 now.
[10:59] <liz4rd> cool
[10:59] <arthurb> Oh my god it's so coool !! A nigerian widow just offered me a few million $ !!
[10:59] <nmorse> I really hate ATI
[11:00] <arthurb> hum yeah, kmail lacks a spam filter
[11:00] <nmorse> They don't supplyl drivers for IGP's for Windows, right
[11:00] <iuliux> how do i add an account in kmail?
[11:00] <Shuddertrix> They do
[11:00] <Shuddertrix> The latest catalyst, tucked away on their site, has the driver.
[11:00] <nmorse> But Rome: Total War gets a black background when I try to play it
[11:00] <Shuddertrix> No pixel shaders or vertex shaders.
[11:00] <nmorse> Tried to update, says go to eMachines
[11:00] <Shuddertrix> That's the problem
[11:01] <nmorse> eMachines says Windows Update
[11:01] <nmorse> Windows Update says first you have to get SP2
[11:01] <nmorse> SP2 borks laptop
[11:01] <nmorse> Good thing I already had Ubuntu installed
[11:01] <nmorse> No pixel shaders?
[11:01] <nmorse> Man, I hate ATI
[11:01] <liz4rd> agreed
[11:01] <Shuddertrix> The IGP line is really old.
[11:02] <Shuddertrix> At least the 3xx
[11:02] <Shuddertrix> It's equvilant to a Radeon VE/7000
[11:03] <nmorse> Well, with the ati driver included in X.org I get about 1/4 of my Radeon 9600 SE's fps in glxgears
[11:03] <nmorse> The SE gets about 1/3 of the XT's
[11:04] <nmorse> I don't think they like their customers much
[11:05] <nmorse> Oh well, I'll stick to the ati driver in x.org for now and for the forseeable future
[11:05] <nmorse> and switch my desktop to Nvidia ASAP
[11:06] <nmorse> You know, despite using no swap, memory fills up at about 1/1000 the rate Gentoo did on the same machine
[11:06] <nmorse> It's using 50MB more than it was last night, whereas gentoo would use about 600
[11:06] <nmorse> so more like 1/12
[11:09] <liz4rd> OMG!...cheese
[11:18] <apollo2011> The ubuntu mirror must be down because I can't install some packages and it won't update the package info
[11:19] <\sh> apollo2011: gb?
[11:20] <liz4rd> me neather
[11:20] <osh> apollo2011: I get some weird crap about us.archive.ubuntu.com too.
[11:20] <liz4rd> i tryed to apt-get gimp
[11:21] <liz4rd> osh: same here
[11:21] <apollo2011> yeah server must be down
[11:22] <apollo2011> the #ubuntu topic says it is down
[11:22] <liz4rd> oh
[11:22] <apollo2011> torrent tracker too
[11:24] <osh> any reason to why it's down?
[11:25] <Tm_T> so don't use us mirror then
[11:30] <\sh> Tm_T: i uploaded eric3 3.7.0 
[11:30] <\sh> for breezy
[11:32] <_vincent> bonsoir
[11:32] <nmorse> so the Eric in breezy will work?
[11:33] <_vincent> pas de francais ?
[11:33] <osh> Tm_T: Is there a eu-mirror too?
[11:33] <apollo2011> Im trying to add another mirror to /etc/apt/sources.list and now I get an error in Kynaptic...
[11:33] <Tm_T> osh: .. no "eu" mirror, several "national" mirrors
[11:33] <_vincent> ok merci
[11:33] <nmorse> francais?
[11:34] <_vincent> oui
[11:34] <Tm_T> osh: just pick your favorite two letters ;)
[11:34] <apollo2011> I added: 
[11:34] <apollo2011>   deb http://www.opensourcemirrors.org/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[11:34] <apollo2011>   deb-src http://www.opensourcemirrors.org/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[11:34] <nmorse> Je parle francais, mais tres mal
[11:34] <osh> Tm_T: I did but you told me eu didn't exist... ;-)
[11:34] <_vincent>  <nmorse> on devrais s'en sortir
[11:35] <Tm_T> osh: haha
[11:35] <apollo2011> do those lines look right?
[11:36] <nmorse> He said "One should leave himself there"
[11:36] <nmorse> Odd
[11:37] <abisen_of> i have a Hyper threaded CPU P-4 should i see two cpu's in Top or one
[11:37] <nmorse> Are you using the smp kernel?
[11:37] <osh> Tm_T: de.archive.ubuntu.org doesn't work either. Or am I missing something here?
[11:38] <Tm_T> osh: try fi ;)
[11:38] <Tm_T> osh: and try ubuntu.com =)
[11:38] <nmorse> abisen_of: type "uname -a | grep smp" in Konsole
[11:38] <abisen_of> nmorse: nope !! should i
[11:38] <Tm_T> http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:38] <nmorse> I think you have to use the SMP kernel for hyper-threading to work
[11:38] <osh> Tm_T: Argh... .com.....
[11:38] <abisen_of> Linux tux 2.6.10-5-686 #1 Tue Jun 7 09:00:32 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:39] <nmorse> okay, yeah
[11:39] <nmorse> do 'sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.10-5-686-smp'
[11:39] <abisen_of> okies so how do i install hyper threaded kernel 
[11:39] <nmorse> Do you have an Nvidia or ATI video card?
[11:40] <abisen_of> nmorse: ATI 
[11:40] <nmorse> What kind?
[11:40] <abisen_of> nmorse: ATI X600 Pro PCIe All in wonder 256MB RAM 
[11:40] <nmorse> Did you follow the BinaryDriverHowto?
[11:40] <abisen_of> nmorse: sorry ... no this machine it's Intel Builtin Card
[11:41] <abisen_of> ATI is in a different machine
[11:41] <nmorse> Okay
[11:41] <nmorse> Then just do that sudo apt-get command above
[11:41] <nmorse> That'll install the kernel you need
[11:41] <nmorse> Then reboot
[11:44] <abisen_of> nmorse: thanks i am installing them now 
[11:44] <abisen_of> nmorse: should i see a speedup in performance with this
[11:44] <nmorse> On multi-threaded stuff, yeah
[11:44] <abisen_of> nmorse: like vmware
[11:44] <nmorse> I wonder if KDE is multi-threaded?
[11:44] <abisen_of> i guess it's multithreaded
[11:44] <PAPILLON> qemu :-)
[11:45] <PAPILLON> Qemu = vmware   Free ! :-)
[11:45] <abisen_of> but even if it is not i run things in parallel like vmware and then linux app
[11:45] <nmorse> But yeah, you should see some speedup regardless
[11:45] <nmorse> KDE is really a bunch of small apps
[11:45] <nmorse> Which means even it should see a nice speedup
[11:46] <gdh> qemu's great if you have the time to spare :)
[11:46] <abisen_of> nmorse: i wish i had a Athlon 64 Dual Core :D
[11:46] <abisen_of> real nice speedup :D
[11:47] <nmorse> I'd love an Athlon64 period
[11:47] <nmorse> All I have right now is an XP-M 2800+ and an XP Barton Core 2500+
[11:48] <nmorse> The 2500+ is nice, since I can overclock it whenever I feel like it
[11:48] <gdh> don't these trendy 64 bit chips just cause grief on loonicks because of non-free drivers?
[11:48] <gdh> exactly the likes of vga cards
[11:49] <nmorse> Both ATI and Nvidia offer 64-bit drivers
[11:50] <gdh> Are they at the same version level as the 32-bit ones?
[11:51] <nmorse> I'm thinking so
[11:51] <nmorse> I wouldn't really know, as I don't have an Athlon 64
[11:51] <gdh> also don't basic 'necessities' like Flash support cause problems?
[11:51] <gdh> ah, k
[11:51] <nmorse> But I seem to recall the 64-bit being synced in ATI since the first 8.* drivers
[11:52] <nmorse> I hear Flash does cause problems
[11:52] <gdh> and libflash isn't worth a damn, no offence to the developers :)
[11:52] <nmorse> But it's an annoyance not a necessity
[11:52] <gdh> I'd love to live in a Flash-free world =)
[11:53] <gdh> a blight on web development.. lazy developers...
[11:53] <nmorse> I hated trying to work in Flash too
[11:53] <nmorse> Had to do that last summer for this NYLF thing
[11:53] <nmorse> God, it's like time-delay photography
[11:54] <gdh> This trendy AJAX stuff is deeply cool
[11:54] <gdh> if only Konq supported it properly :)
[11:54] <nmorse> AJAX? What's that?
[11:55] <gdh> Asynchronous Javascript And XML ... e.g. http://maps.google.com/
[11:55] <gdh> it does HTTP requests in the background without reloading the browser window
[11:55] <gdh> makes for some beautiful web interfaces
[11:55] <nmorse> hmm
[11:55] <gdh> Gmail uses it too
[11:55] <nmorse> Gmail is nice
[11:56] <nmorse> But I hate Javascript
[11:56] <nmorse> I really prefer server-side scripting
[11:56] <nmorse> Web interfaces should be left to XHTML and CSS
[11:56] <gdh> yeh, the whole point is to break the 'click... server process... response'  cycle
[11:57] <gdh> and make something more user-friendly like a desktop app
[11:57] <nmorse> Speaking of which, I should probably be developing that website so I can get paid ($15 an hour, not bad)
[11:57] <gdh> and that reason alone gets my vote - I would never implement e.g. a web-based groupware app on the traditional model
[11:57] <nmorse> Like a desktop app?
[11:57] <nmorse> Like what DHTML was designed to do?
[11:57] <gdh> nmorse: Yes, you click and get instant feedback.
[11:57] <nmorse> I've seen Windows desktop reimplemented in DHTML
[11:57] <nmorse> Not pretty
[11:57] <gdh> Yes, me too :)
[11:57] <gdh> I agree :)
[11:58] <nmorse> That's client-side scripting though
[11:58] <nmorse> And what were frames invented for then?
[11:58] <gdh> torture, I think.
[11:58] <nmorse> Probably
[11:58] <nmorse> Like tables
[11:58] <gdh> some kind of BDSM, anyway
[11:59] <nmorse> The two HTML elements I never could stand
[11:59] <nmorse> They're why I switched to XHTML and CSS as soon as a browser could support it
[12:00] <gdh> Which IE doesn't :)
[12:00] <nmorse> I can't wait for Koffice 1.4 to hit release status
[12:00] <nmorse> I know, God I hate that browser
[12:00] <nmorse> It doesn't even have to be open to get popups and spyware
[12:00] <gdh> Yep, but it pwns the w0rld l0l
[12:00] <gdh> (etc.)
[12:00] <nmorse> I'm seriously inclined to disallow internet to the one Windows-only box we have
[12:01] <gdh> and really, saying 'you need Firefox to view this site' is as bad as saying 'you need IE to view this site'
[12:01] <nmorse> I never say that