| elmo | yeah, that's the first thing I'd do if I hax0red ubuntu | 12:00 |
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| mako | go for the userlinux metapackages | 12:01 |
| elmo | break the buildds in ways designed to send the archive maintainers mad | 12:01 |
| ogra | heh | 12:01 |
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| elmo | dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown information field in input data in package's section of control info file | 12:01 |
| mako | mdz: in terms of the trademark stuff, i did show them these packages | 12:01 |
| elmo | lots of that in the log | 12:01 |
| mdz | is there a copy of the upload still on the buildd? | 12:03 |
| mako | elmo: hmm.. i didn't get that on my end | 12:03 |
| mako | if it got rejected, does that put us in a better position to just scrap it and do the new version? | 12:05 |
| mako | although, ideally, not one that generates polymorphic packages | 12:05 |
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| elmo | wtf | 12:11 |
| elmo | it's the right size on the buildd | 12:12 |
| === elmo goes insane | ||
| Mithrandir | somebody collected the network traffic tax by eating a few bytes off the file? | 12:13 |
| elmo | Mithrandir: it got BIGGER | 12:13 |
| lsuactiafner | elmo : it evolved | 12:13 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: hm, perhaps it ate something? | 12:13 |
| lsuactiafner | soon it will turn into AI | 12:13 |
| mako | elmo: wait.. it got bigger, then got smaller again? | 12:15 |
| lsuactiafner | its pulsating.. | 12:15 |
| ogra | it pumps | 12:15 |
| lsuactiafner | rofl | 12:16 |
| elmo | mako: no, as the .deb 3218 on the buildd host and 3230 on ftp-master | 12:16 |
| elmo | in the changes, it's 3218 both on the buildd host and on ftp-master | 12:16 |
| mako | elmo: so it fucked up in the xfer | 12:16 |
| mako | and the changes file didn;'t | 12:16 |
| mako | i understand that this is not supposed to happen | 12:17 |
| elmo | dude, it's still a valid deb | 12:17 |
| elmo | it "fucked up" in a way that add 12 bytes but didn't validate the deb structure | 12:17 |
| lsuactiafner | 483B/s 9h21m11s | 12:17 |
| mako | is there a binary diff you can do? | 12:17 |
| lsuactiafner | yay | 12:18 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: appended some random garbage, perhaps. | 12:18 |
| elmo | Mithrandir: no | 12:18 |
| mako | expanded the description :) | 12:18 |
| mako | (it was garbage to begin with) | 12:18 |
| mako | (bruce wrote it) | 12:18 |
| elmo | -rw-r--r-- 1 katie katie 1239 Jun 9 23:18 control.tar.gz | 12:18 |
| elmo | -rw-r--r-- 1 katie katie 1797 Jun 9 23:18 data.tar.gz | 12:18 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: no? Then there's something _really_ crackful going on. :-) You're sure you transferred the correct deb and not a random other one? | 12:18 |
| elmo | -rw-r--r-- 1 katie katie 1238 Jun 9 23:17 control.tar.gz | 12:18 |
| elmo | -rw-r--r-- 1 katie katie 1788 Jun 9 23:17 data.tar.gz | 12:18 |
| elmo | first bad, second good | 12:18 |
| elmo | Mithrandir: dude, there's nothing human involved, this is a buildd upload | 12:19 |
| elmo | hum, unless two buildds built and uploaded it simultaneously | 12:19 |
| elmo | nope | 12:19 |
| Mithrandir | the time stamps are different too. | 12:19 |
| elmo | -Installed-Size: 32 | 12:20 |
| elmo | +Installed-Size: 8 | 12:20 |
| elmo | -9bb926ca7e0982a70876137021ec65c3 usr/share/doc/meta-ul-desktop-base/copyright | 12:20 |
| elmo | e606acc617f0fae635914b9223296e84 usr/share/doc/meta-ul-desktop-base/changelog.Debian.gz | 12:20 |
| elmo | +9bb926ca7e0982a70876137021ec65c3 usr/share/doc/meta-ul-desktop-base/copyright | 12:20 |
| elmo | this is SERIOUSLY FRYING MY BRAIN | 12:20 |
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| Mithrandir | it's not fabio's buildd or something which built it too? perhaps check the upload logs to see which host transferred the files? | 12:21 |
| elmo | oh, gar, I get it now | 12:22 |
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| elmo | this is all your fault | 12:22 |
| mako | sorry dude! | 12:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | hey all | 12:22 |
| mako | i'm sure it is! | 12:22 |
| elmo | ok, so here's what happened. | 12:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | silly question, does ubuntu actually include manpages for libc anywhere? | 12:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | they arent in glibc-doc | 12:22 |
| Mithrandir | Diablo-D3: yes, manpages-dev | 12:22 |
| === mako gets embarassed in advance | ||
| elmo | mako uploaded a source+binary upload a while ago, but it wasn't signed by a key katie knew | 12:22 |
| mako | ahhhhhhh | 12:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | wow | 12:23 |
| elmo | so katie threw away the upload, but didn't trust the .changes and so couldn't know to remove the binary debs he'd uploaded | 12:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | what an oddly named package | 12:23 |
| mako | ahhhhh | 12:23 |
| elmo | a buildd comes along and uploads a valid .changes for the binaries | 12:23 |
| elmo | the .changes gets copied in, the other files don't | 12:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | thanks | 12:23 |
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| mako | same package, so same filename | 12:23 |
| elmo | katie rejects the combination of buildd .changes + mako's .debs | 12:23 |
| elmo | so, err anyway, after all that interesting distraction, what was the conclusion? | 12:25 |
| elmo | chuck out meta-userlinux and reupload as meta-ul or not? | 12:25 |
| Mithrandir | ah, makes sense then | 12:27 |
| mako | (sorry) | 12:27 |
| mako | elmo: so, what do you want to do now | 12:27 |
| mako | elmo: since it rejected the binaries, it's not actually in hoary-updates, right? | 12:27 |
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| elmo | the source is | 12:27 |
| elmo | but that's ok, it's no biggy to ditch it | 12:27 |
| mako | elmo: yeah, if it's a not a biggy, mdz would prefer it and i don't care much either way | 12:27 |
| mako | elmo: the second package is already NEW | 12:28 |
| elmo | okay, done | 12:28 |
| elmo | and processed | 12:28 |
| mako | and, not prone to the whole, yeah | 12:28 |
| mako | elmo: thanks | 12:29 |
| mako | jdub: HEY | 12:29 |
| mako | MORE TROUBLE THAN THESE PACKAGES WERE EVER WORTH | 12:29 |
| mako | but i'm gonna make up for it with this manifesto | 12:29 |
| mako | man.. causing unexplainable archive maintance script errors.. i feel like lamont | 12:31 |
| luis_ | mako: oh, man | 12:32 |
| luis_ | mako: I got an email from the author of the hacker manifesto | 12:32 |
| mako | luis_: mckenzie wark? | 12:32 |
| luis_ | he apparently found my blog entry about it | 12:32 |
| luis_ | mako: yeah | 12:32 |
| luis_ | though apparently he goes by 'ken' | 12:32 |
| mako | hah | 12:32 |
| eruin | I've got an issue with users-manager. It's no biggy, really, other than that it doesn't seem to accept non- a-z content for users full names. Should I submit a bug on this? | 12:32 |
| lamont__ | mako: all my archive maintenenc script error-induction has been explainable... | 12:32 |
| lamont__ | "don't do that lamont" | 12:33 |
| eruin | ie, I'd really like to spell my name ivind instead of Oivind | 12:33 |
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| mako | luis_: did i "recommend" that book to you? | 12:34 |
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| mdz | dh_gencontrol -i | 12:36 |
| mdz | couldn't open log `/var/log/dpkg.log': Permission denied | 12:36 |
| mdz | wtf is that about? | 12:36 |
| elmo | it's a bug, should have been fixed in -7 ? | 12:36 |
| elmo | * Reduced inability to open a log file to a warning, suppressed for | 12:37 |
| elmo | non-root operations. Closes: #312383. | 12:37 |
| elmo | ^-- guessing from that | 12:37 |
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| mako | luis_: i can't imagine i would have.. i didn't like it at all | 12:38 |
| mako | luis_: if you haven't, read moglen's dotcommunist.. it's fucking *awesome* and made better by the fact that probablh 1/4-1/3 of the language is lifted, directly, from the communist manifesto | 12:38 |
| luis_ | mako: no, no one recommended it to me | 12:42 |
| luis_ | he emailed it to a friend of mine who does computer poetry | 12:42 |
| luis_ | which popped it into my head | 12:42 |
| luis_ | so I read it | 12:42 |
| luis_ | i've read eben's, of course | 12:42 |
| luis_ | what kind of an eben fanboy would I be if I hadn't? | 12:42 |
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| luis_ | :) | 12:42 |
| luis_ | mako: http://www.beardofbees.com/gnoetry.html <- warkus sent a digital copy to these guys; it turned into pretty good commie/hacker poetry | 12:43 |
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| LikesHisLunch | Hello, does anyone know why the openoffice-evolution package doesn't work in Hoary? (my experiences are reminiscent of this thread: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31267&highlight=mail+merge) | 12:51 |
| doko | mdz: I currently cannot see, why libxerces-java is needed as a b-d for libxml-commons-resolver1.1-java at all, so it should be safe to drop this as a build dependency. | 01:03 |
| mdz | doko: sounds good to me | 01:04 |
| doko | libxml-commons-resolver1.1-java can be built by gcj-4.0, so we can drop kaffe there as well. | 01:04 |
| doko | the fixes that I did for junit and libant1.6-java are wrong. I have to understand why /usr/share/ant1.6 and /usr/share/ant have to be both directories and wasabi wanted to replace one of them with a symlink | 01:05 |
| doko | but that's a topic for tomorrow ... a bit too late now | 01:06 |
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| dholbach | good night everybody - sleep tight | 01:07 |
| mdz | doko: ok, I would very much like to move all of the java stuff for ant into main tomorrow if possible | 01:09 |
| mdz | there is a huge amount of desynchronization between the archive and the seeds right now because of it | 01:09 |
| doko | I know, looking forward for a buildable OOo as well ... | 01:09 |
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| mdke | evening corey | 01:29 |
| tseng | whiprush: im stealing your package (evolution-sharp) | 01:29 |
| tseng | whiprush: k? | 01:29 |
| whiprush | uhh, I don't have any packages | 01:31 |
| tseng | * Upload for Jorge, upgraded to 0.6. | 01:31 |
| tseng | wrong jorge | 01:31 |
| whiprush | heh | 01:31 |
| whiprush | you must have me confused with a real developer. :p | 01:31 |
| tseng | well since its not yours, i cant just ruthlessly clobber it | 01:32 |
| whiprush | heh | 01:32 |
| whiprush | koke is the other jorge btw. | 01:32 |
| tseng | i see whos it is now | 01:32 |
| tseng | i was sure you were working on it at some point | 01:32 |
| whiprush | I recall trying and giving up | 01:33 |
| mdke | check out the logo similarities between ubuntu and msn http://www.salvatore-aranzulla.com/?p=132 | 01:34 |
| HrdwrBoB | mdke: obviously it's a conspiracy | 01:36 |
| === mdke nods | ||
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| tseng | anyone seen koke lately | 01:38 |
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| mdz | keeeeyybuuuuuuuk | 01:48 |
| whiprush | any networkmagic people awake? | 01:48 |
| Nafallo | mdz: I'm not sure he highlights that ;-) | 01:50 |
| mdz | he's not here anyway | 01:50 |
| mdz | he's broken dpkg again and then gone to sleep | 01:50 |
| Nafallo | wee! luck! :-) | 01:50 |
| Nafallo | whiprush: thom's not here either :-) | 01:51 |
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| Amaranth | jdub: that blog entry should have NSFW in the title :P | 02:22 |
| tseng | Amaranth: yeah, after you turn on line-by-line scrolling | 02:24 |
| tseng | that might help | 02:24 |
| Amaranth | clearlooks 0.6 is out :) | 02:24 |
| tseng | Amaranth: way to read gnoemfiles | 02:30 |
| Amaranth | tseng: actually the author told me last night | 02:30 |
| tseng | :) | 02:30 |
| Amaranth | i've been giving him input on the changes and such | 02:31 |
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| ficusplanet | jdub, I noticed that you guys are using serpentine for audio burning in breezy. What would you think of integrating it with muine and rhythmbox (calling serpentine /tmp/burnplaylist.m3u or some such)? It would be a really simple muine plugin. | 02:38 |
| tseng | ficusplanet: snorp did a nautilus-burn plugin. | 02:41 |
| tseng | ficusplanet: you could talk to him? | 02:41 |
| ficusplanet | tseng, OK, thanks. | 02:41 |
| tseng | he is in #muine and all over the place | 02:41 |
| ficusplanet | tseng, cool | 02:42 |
| Riddell | mdz: all the packages from kde that are listed are fine to be demoted except kwalletmanager which I've added to seeds and kubuntu-desktop | 02:47 |
| mdz | o kdat, kdeadmin, kdeadmin-doc-html, kpackage, ksysv, lilo-config, secpolicy{kdeadmin} | 02:48 |
| mdz | o kdebase-doc-html, xfonts-konsole {kdebase} | 02:48 |
| mdz | o kcoloredit, kdegraphics, kdegraphics-dev, kdegraphics-doc-html, kdvi, kfax, kgamma, kghostview, kiconedit, kmrml, kolourpaint, kpovmodeler, kruler, kuickshow, kview, kviewshell, libkscan-dev{kdegraphics} | 02:48 |
| mdz | o akode-mpeg, kaboodle, kdemultimedia, kdemultimedia-doc-html, libarts1-audiofile, libarts1-xine{kdemultimedia} | 02:48 |
| mdz | o dcoprss, kdenetwork, kdenetwork-doc-html, kdict, kget, knewsticker, ksirc, ktalkd, librss1, librss1-dev, lisa{kdenetwork} | 02:48 |
| mdz | o kandy, kdepim, kdepim-doc, kdepim-doc-html, kdepim-kfile-plugins, kitchensync, kleopatra, kmailcvt, knode, kode, konsolekalendar, korn, ktnef, libkgantt0, libkgantt0-dev, libkleopatra0-dev, libkpimexchange1-dev, libksieve0-dev, libmimelib1-dev, networkstatus{kdepim} | 02:48 |
| mdz | o kcharselect, kdelirc, kdessh, kdeutils, kdeutils-dev, kdeutils-doc-html, kdf, kedit, kfloppy, kgpg, khexedit, kjots, kregexpeditor, ksim, ktimer{kdeutils} | 02:49 |
| mdz | all of that? | 02:49 |
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| Riddell | mdz: yep | 02:49 |
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| mdz | done | 02:52 |
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| Riddell | thanks | 02:54 |
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| lamont | elmo still around, or did he get sensible and go to sleep? | 02:58 |
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| helix | jdub: from now on, PLEASE WARN US WHEN SOMETHING IN YOUR BLOG IS NOT SAFE FOR WORK! | 03:02 |
| tseng | ROFLCOPTER!!!ONE | 03:03 |
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| jdub | tseng: ha ha | 03:11 |
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| === Nafallo night alla | ||
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| whiprush | jdub: got time for some fridge talk? | 03:25 |
| jsgotangco | hello whiprush | 03:25 |
| whiprush | hey jsgotangco | 03:26 |
| jdub | whiprush: sho'! | 03:27 |
| jdub | whiprush: meanwhile, i am going to finish that email TODAY!! | 03:27 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 03:27 |
| jdub | TODAY! | 03:27 |
| whiprush | heh | 03:28 |
| jdub | i am even going to tie myself to the chair | 03:28 |
| whiprush | anyword on some prototype site? | 03:28 |
| jdub | in such a way that will deny me the ability to untie it myself | 03:28 |
| jdub | yeah, site is still there | 03:28 |
| whiprush | well, I mean one not hosted at some dude's house, heh. | 03:28 |
| jdub | no, we have stuff to sort out before going more live | 03:29 |
| whiprush | k | 03:29 |
| mdz | jdub: that blog entry of yours certainly has made the rounds | 03:29 |
| jdub | but you're welcome to abuse it as much as you (singular) want | 03:29 |
| whiprush | also, I updated the spec a bit if you want to check it out. | 03:29 |
| jdub | mdz: neat :) | 03:29 |
| jdub | cringely doesn't have an rss feed | 03:30 |
| jdub | that's so bad | 03:30 |
| mdz | that's a feature | 03:30 |
| jdub | whiprush: cool | 03:34 |
| jdub | (just read the diff0 | 03:34 |
| whiprush | rock | 03:34 |
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| ogra | mdz, sane code would use commandline options to override user config, xscreensaver doesnt.... | 03:58 |
| bob2 | hehe | 03:58 |
| ogra | mdz, could we let ltsp depend on xlockmore ? xlock -dpmsstandby 0 -mode blank will do the trick | 03:59 |
| ogra | (xlockmore is in universe) | 03:59 |
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| jnc | wtf... | 04:05 |
| === jnc pokes ubuntu breezy | ||
| jsgotangco | nice intro | 04:06 |
| jnc | when Evolution is open, no applications will launch | 04:06 |
| jnc | i close Evo, other stuff launches fine | 04:06 |
| jnc | i have like 300mb ram + free | 04:06 |
| jnc | what else could it be? | 04:06 |
| jnc | jsgotangco: gnome-terminal cannot possibly require 301mb ram to launch | 04:08 |
| jnc | could it? | 04:08 |
| jnc | maybe i'm out of ptys | 04:08 |
| jnc | or something | 04:08 |
| AndyFitz | was there a hoary kernel update yesterday ?. if so it was satan | 04:08 |
| jnc | AndyFitz: haha. what's it do to you | 04:08 |
| AndyFitz | jnc, it raped me man. | 04:09 |
| jnc | thems molestin' words | 04:09 |
| AndyFitz | i guess thats the wrong word.. yeah i was about to correct myself and say molestered | 04:09 |
| jnc | no love for the kernel update? | 04:09 |
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| AndyFitz | kernel panic - note syncing : vfs : unable to mound root fs on unknown - block(0,0) | 04:10 |
| jnc | ew | 04:10 |
| jnc | sometimes you feel like a nut? | 04:10 |
| jnc | and... sometimes you dont | 04:10 |
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| AndyFitz | and i dont have any backup kernels. so as we speak im copying my photos and working directories to my ipod | 04:11 |
| AndyFitz | lol fammine before the feast pain before the pleasure.. these are the ways of the linux kernel | 04:11 |
| jnc | AndyFitz: how about "eat as much herring you can before the pundits beat you with large clubs" | 04:12 |
| AndyFitz | yeah , seemingly more appropirate | 04:12 |
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| jnc | i just meowed at a cat | 04:14 |
| jnc | i'm reaching new levels of dumb | 04:14 |
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| AndyFitz | jnc, no you're safe. yesterday i got on the wrong train and only realised after 6 stops in the wrong direction. and then i caught the wrong one back missing the transferring train again | 04:20 |
| AndyFitz | my date forgave me | 04:21 |
| jnc | did you .. | 04:21 |
| jnc | that explains it | 04:21 |
| jnc | IT WAS THE TRAIN | 04:21 |
| jnc | OF LOVE | 04:21 |
| jnc | LIKE WOAH | 04:21 |
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| AndyFitz | oh and i didnt have my phone on my so i open my laptop to get her number from evolution to ring from the station. but my kernel panics | 04:22 |
| AndyFitz | it all comes full circle back to the kernels fault | 04:22 |
| AndyFitz | even love | 04:22 |
| AndyFitz | ... kernels fault | 04:22 |
| jsgotangco | this transcript is crack dudes | 04:24 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 04:24 |
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| infinity | AndyFitz : Why not boot with an install CD in rescue mode and fix the kernel issue? :) | 04:37 |
| AndyFitz | infinity. fix the kernel issue by copying vmlinuz over the existing one ? | 04:38 |
| infinity | AndyFitz : By installing a non-broken linux-image package and re-running update-grub? | 04:39 |
| AndyFitz | installing how ? copying the vmlinuz file ? | 04:39 |
| infinity | (Though, what actually broke?... initrd?) | 04:39 |
| AndyFitz | sorry im a graphics pirate not a code ninja | 04:40 |
| infinity | AndyFitz : Downloading the .deb and using 'dpkg -i linux-image-foo.deb' | 04:40 |
| infinity | NINJA! | 04:40 |
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| infinity | *cough* | 04:40 |
| AndyFitz | aayeee | 04:40 |
| AndyFitz | sounds like good advice my friend . i'll give it a shot | 04:40 |
| infinity | AndyFitz : Or, y'know, bring that tank of a laptop to Melbourne for the Queen's Birthday long weekend, and get some personal service. | 04:41 |
| AndyFitz | hey yeah long weekend is upon us.. doesnt AU rock like that | 04:41 |
| infinity | I'm so glad I moved somewhere with such silly holidays. | 04:41 |
| AndyFitz | heh like anyone knew the reason for this holiday.. really | 04:41 |
| AndyFitz | i'll be going to melbourne with said chickie in a month actually | 04:43 |
| AndyFitz | will have too say g'day | 04:43 |
| AndyFitz | and introduce you to those crazy drum and bass kiwis who use debian | 04:43 |
| whiprush | heya infinity ... I remember you telling me that you were an ldap guy at UDU. I have a friend that is working on deploying Fedora's new directory thing and wants to do something with it for Ubuntu. Shall I shuffle him your way? | 04:44 |
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| infinity | whiprush : Was I drunk at the time? | 04:48 |
| infinity | whiprush : (Sure, send him my way) | 04:48 |
| whiprush | heh, k. | 04:48 |
| jdub | rawk | 04:49 |
| whiprush | he's a real good ldap dude, just doesn't know where to start. | 04:49 |
| whiprush | he's got this big list of stuff that he does to an ubuntu machine to make it "work right" for ldap and things like windows interop. | 04:49 |
| whiprush | it's pretty metal. | 04:49 |
| infinity | Cool. | 04:55 |
| wasabi_ | Heh. I'm one of those LDAP guys. =/ | 04:57 |
| wasabi_ | I missed the first part of that conversation. =( | 04:57 |
| whiprush | I'll send him your way too then | 04:57 |
| wasabi_ | not without me knowing what's going on! | 04:57 |
| wasabi_ | I was going to take a look at that fedora ldap server after I got eclipse fixed up. | 04:58 |
| wasabi_ | Anybody else working with that? | 04:58 |
| whiprush | my friend is | 04:58 |
| Amaranth | hah | 04:58 |
| whiprush | he's got it built on ubuntu | 04:58 |
| Amaranth | it was funny watching that | 04:58 |
| wasabi_ | Oh rock. | 04:58 |
| whiprush | apparently the build process is pretty crap | 04:58 |
| wasabi_ | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DomainAuthenticationUtility | 04:58 |
| whiprush | took him the better part of a morning to build it | 04:58 |
| wasabi_ | That's a ranty page I put together to presearve an idea. | 04:58 |
| whiprush | man, I so feel your pain. | 05:01 |
| wasabi_ | the fedora server might actually be suitable for becoming a replica in active directory | 05:06 |
| wasabi_ | i haven't looked at it that closey, but it has most of the requisites. | 05:06 |
| wasabi_ | i bet the ACLs are totally different though | 05:06 |
| whiprush | I've heard nothing but good things except for the build process. | 05:07 |
| wasabi_ | Yeah, it certainly beats out openldap. | 05:07 |
| === jdub is so psyched about it, but for one thing - it's not like i'll actually be using it. | ||
| whiprush | it'd be a nice breezy+1 or +2 goal to have a plop in replacement for an AD Domain controller. | 05:07 |
| wasabi_ | I don't think there is much to be psyched about. | 05:07 |
| wasabi_ | whiprush, that's not going to be possible fora long time. | 05:08 |
| wasabi_ | And this doesn't bring us closer to it | 05:08 |
| === whiprush nods | ||
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| whiprush | I'll take anything over nothing though. | 05:08 |
| wasabi_ | I think the only feature of the fedora one I'm excited about is hte ACLs | 05:08 |
| wasabi_ | openldap has everything else. | 05:08 |
| whiprush | yeah, but openldap makes me want to cut myself. | 05:09 |
| wasabi_ | Why? | 05:09 |
| wasabi_ | openldap, especially as distributed by debian, is super easy to set up. | 05:09 |
| whiprush | I just can't get anything ootb that isn't obtuse. | 05:09 |
| wasabi_ | Creates the DB and root for your automatically. | 05:09 |
| Amaranth | can't samba work as as an AD domain controller? | 05:09 |
| wasabi_ | Amaranth, no. | 05:09 |
| wasabi_ | It can work as a NT4 PDC or BDC. | 05:09 |
| Amaranth | hrm | 05:09 |
| wasabi_ | And can join AD as a member. | 05:09 |
| Amaranth | i don't know what these terms mean :P | 05:09 |
| Amaranth | i know active directory | 05:09 |
| wasabi_ | FOSS is missing a TON of requisites for AD. | 05:10 |
| fabbione | morning | 05:10 |
| wasabi_ | bind has no kerberos SIG(0) support. | 05:10 |
| whiprush | you can get halfway there with openldap and kerberos. | 05:10 |
| whiprush | even then it's a pain. | 05:10 |
| jsgotangco | IT IS | 05:10 |
| wasabi_ | Yeah. You can't serve a windows box properly. | 05:10 |
| wasabi_ | And serving a linux box is pretty non-par. | 05:10 |
| wasabi_ | Serving a linux laptop is basically unrealstic. | 05:10 |
| jsgotangco | i share your pain | 05:11 |
| wasabi_ | (no cred caching) | 05:11 |
| wasabi_ | Oh, we also don't have a suitable file sharing protocol yet. NFSv4 might be it. | 05:11 |
| whiprush | and it depends on the distro also. We can't get a single suse machine to even use ldap for auth. | 05:11 |
| whiprush | argh. | 05:11 |
| wasabi_ | Oh that's easy. ;) | 05:11 |
| wasabi_ | I have all the pam and nss config files for you! | 05:11 |
| whiprush | I'm so emailing you. | 05:11 |
| wasabi_ | In windows it's two button clicks and typing the name of the domain. | 05:12 |
| wasabi_ | Same with OS X. | 05:12 |
| whiprush | can osx join an ad? | 05:12 |
| wasabi_ | Yes. | 05:12 |
| wasabi_ | Oh, that's anohter point. | 05:12 |
| whiprush | surely it can't serve one. | 05:12 |
| wasabi_ | Our file system ACLs SUCK | 05:12 |
| wasabi_ | SUCK BAD | 05:12 |
| wasabi_ | Tiger actually added NT compatible ACLs to HFS | 05:12 |
| wasabi_ | Which are pretty darn slick. | 05:12 |
| wasabi_ | I think we should totally copy them. | 05:13 |
| wasabi_ | It's just not something most die hard unixers will accept | 05:13 |
| whiprush | heh | 05:13 |
| whiprush | all I know, is I'm stuck on nis and nfs, and I know I'm not the only one. | 05:14 |
| wasabi_ | I use AD at the office. | 05:14 |
| jsgotangco | same here | 05:14 |
| wasabi_ | I'm a windows admin during the day time hours. ;) | 05:14 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 05:14 |
| jsgotangco | i like win2k3 | 05:14 |
| wasabi_ | Me too. | 05:14 |
| whiprush | yeah, it's pretty good. | 05:14 |
| wasabi_ | Check out this: | 05:15 |
| wasabi_ | http://www.padl.com/Products/XAD.html | 05:15 |
| wasabi_ | They've done it. | 05:15 |
| whiprush | you've tries this? | 05:15 |
| wasabi_ | no | 05:15 |
| wasabi_ | it's $$$ | 05:15 |
| whiprush | oh | 05:15 |
| jsgotangco | i haven't been updated in windows server stuff for a while though | 05:15 |
| wasabi_ | I think andrew bartlett point me to it. | 05:16 |
| === jsgotangco has been pimping his ubuntu servers with management | ||
| whiprush | I wonder how it really works. | 05:16 |
| jsgotangco | Pty | 05:16 |
| jsgotangco | australian? | 05:16 |
| wasabi_ | It's apparently Samba + Kerberos + openLDAp | 05:16 |
| wasabi_ | all hacked up and made to work | 05:16 |
| whiprush | and they did all that integration work? | 05:16 |
| wasabi_ | that's what they claim | 05:16 |
| jsgotangco | that neat if it really works nicely | 05:17 |
| whiprush | heh, I'll have to see it to believe it. | 05:17 |
| whiprush | although, I do know people who have done it, it just takes them so freaking long. | 05:17 |
| wasabi_ | Well, they offer stuff nobody has done yet; | 05:17 |
| wasabi_ | Like group policy supportl. | 05:17 |
| whiprush | just noticed that | 05:18 |
| whiprush | ms's new SUS++ thing is out now too. | 05:19 |
| wasabi_ | WSUS | 05:19 |
| jsgotangco | wow | 05:19 |
| jsgotangco | im still using SUS | 05:19 |
| whiprush | jdub: you know, we should have an #ubuntu-sounder for conversation like this ... | 05:19 |
| jsgotangco | can SUS be upgraded? | 05:19 |
| wasabi_ | sounder? | 05:19 |
| wasabi_ | jsgotangco, don't think so. | 05:19 |
| wasabi_ | There's no reason to want to upgrade thoughl | 05:19 |
| jsgotangco | argghh | 05:19 |
| wasabi_ | It's not like it reinstalls all your patches. | 05:20 |
| whiprush | sounder is the chat/offtopic/justhangout list for ubuntu | 05:20 |
| bob2 | (ObHistoricalFact: it was originally the list for Warty beta-testers, before it became public; hence the name.) | 05:23 |
| jdub | xandros also have client integration stuff done | 05:31 |
| jdub | pretty wide ranging, too | 05:32 |
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| jsgotangco | a sounder of warthogs | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | a colony of hedgehogs | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | a cete of badgers | 05:34 |
| jdub | we had 'array' for hedgehogs | 05:37 |
| jsgotangco | oh wait | 05:42 |
| jsgotangco | 'array' is correct | 05:42 |
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| hornbeck | anyone around? | 05:56 |
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| Stargazer | evening... Question, how does one get rid of graphic corruption using 5.04 PPC on a G3? | 05:58 |
| bob2 | #ubuntu | 06:00 |
| Stargazer | sorry.. | 06:00 |
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| fabbione | dilinger: ping? | 06:33 |
| dilinger | pong | 06:34 |
| fabbione | dilinger: mind if i change lvm2 b-d to drop libreadline4 ? | 06:35 |
| fabbione | and bump libdlm-dev versioned b-d? | 06:35 |
| dilinger | drop libreadline4 completely? lvm2 is much nicer to use with it.. | 06:36 |
| dilinger | anyways, waldi's the person to talk to nowdays, i haven't done much w/ lvm2 lately | 06:36 |
| fabbione | i mean replacing it with libreadline5 :) | 06:39 |
| dilinger | ah | 06:39 |
| dilinger | yea, i don't see a problem w/ it | 06:40 |
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| mdz | Keybuk: did anything change in dpkg recently which would explain this: dpkg: can't mmap package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available': Invalid argument | 07:33 |
| Keybuk | sounds like your available file is too large | 07:33 |
| mdz | it's 0 bytes | 07:34 |
| Keybuk | oh, heh | 07:34 |
| mdz | copying a normal available file into place there gets it working | 07:34 |
| Keybuk | you can't mmap() 0 bytes, can you? :) | 07:34 |
| mdz | apparently not | 07:34 |
| bob2 | can that file just die yet? | 07:34 |
| mdz | this sort of breaks debootstrap | 07:34 |
| mdz | and by "sort of" I mean "utterly" | 07:35 |
| Keybuk | deboostrap pre-seeds available and status, does it not? | 07:35 |
| mdz | it just touches them | 07:35 |
| Keybuk | is it consistently reproducible? | 07:36 |
| mdz | oh yes | 07:36 |
| mdz | try a debootstrap | 07:36 |
| Keybuk | it would be nice to run gdb over it to see what arguments mmap is getting | 07:36 |
| mdz | 10971 mmap2(NULL, 0, PROT_READ, MAP_SHARED, 5, 0) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) | 07:36 |
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| Keybuk | hmm | 07:38 |
| Keybuk | nope, you can mmap 0 bytes, it just returns NULL | 07:38 |
| Keybuk | unless someone's broken mmap in a recent kernel? | 07:39 |
| mdz | 2.6.12-1-k7 | 07:39 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: if mmap kernel behaviour is changed.. is a dpkg bug | 07:39 |
| fabbione | mdz: did you upgrade the kernel yesterday? | 07:40 |
| Keybuk | mdz: http://descent.netsplit.com/~scott/test.c | 07:40 |
| mdz | fabbione: yes | 07:40 |
| Keybuk | compile that, and run it with a 0-byte test file alongside | 07:40 |
| fabbione | mdz: ok. that's 12rc6... | 07:40 |
| mdz | Keybuk: I'd already got it written :-P | 07:40 |
| mdz | mmap says: Invalid argument | 07:40 |
| Keybuk | fabbione: is there a known change to mmap behaviour? | 07:40 |
| mdz | Keybuk: what kernel are you on, assuming it works for you? | 07:41 |
| daniels | mmap says: Success | 07:41 |
| daniels | this is 2.6.10-5-686 | 07:41 |
| Keybuk | mdz: 2.6.10-5-k7 (hoary) | 07:41 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: they did a bunch of security fixes to mmap.. | 07:41 |
| fabbione | so possibly yes | 07:41 |
| === Keybuk reaches for the heavy book that bends the shelf | ||
| mdz | mmap(2) only describes EINVAL for length too large or not aligned | 07:43 |
| mdz | 0 bytes should have every possible alignment :-) | 07:43 |
| Keybuk | there's no restricted-modules for 2.6.12 ? | 07:43 |
| mdz | nope | 07:43 |
| Keybuk | bah, I can't test it then | 07:43 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: why? | 07:43 |
| daniels | fabbione: ath, I'm guessing | 07:44 |
| Keybuk | because the machine with breezy on it needs lrm for the network card | 07:44 |
| mdz | because he's a proprietary driver sellout | 07:44 |
| fabbione | Keybuk is 0wn3d by b1n4ry dr1v3r5 | 07:44 |
| daniels | the openbsd guys reverse-engineered the ath hal | 07:44 |
| daniels | it would be great if we could get that into our mainline kernel | 07:44 |
| daniels | that way I could do away with my need for lrm also | 07:44 |
| Keybuk | binary on chip, binary on disk, what is difference? | 07:44 |
| daniels | mdz: i'm glad your machine is completely clear of any proprietary firmware also :P | 07:44 |
| mdz | if (!len) | 07:45 |
| mdz | return -EINVAL; | 07:45 |
| mdz | ^^ Linux 2.6.12 | 07:45 |
| Keybuk | mdz: cute | 07:45 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: fix dpkg _) | 07:45 |
| Keybuk | fabbione: I'm very carefully reading POSIX atm | 07:46 |
| Keybuk | actually, POSIX seems pretty clear, len=0 shall be EINVAL | 07:47 |
| crimsun | it says as much in the rc6 changelog, too | 07:47 |
| === fabbione point Keybuk to: <fabbione> Keybuk: fix dpkg _) | ||
| mdz | if (!len) | 07:47 |
| mdz | return addr; | 07:47 |
| mdz | /* Careful about overflows.. */ | 07:47 |
| mdz | len = PAGE_ALIGN(len); | 07:47 |
| mdz | if (!len || len > TASK_SIZE) | 07:47 |
| mdz | return -EINVAL; | 07:48 |
| mdz | ^^ linux 2.6.10 | 07:48 |
| Keybuk | fabbione: is a tricky fix, annoyingly | 07:48 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: i can guess so | 07:48 |
| jdub | Keybuk: fix POSIX | 07:48 |
| === Lathiat grins at jdub | ||
| mdz | that's decidedly trickier | 07:49 |
| jdub | let's see who's tricky now! | 07:49 |
| Keybuk | mdz: so, I was thinking, why doesn't apt unpack packages as it downloads them? | 07:49 |
| mdz | Keybuk: because that would require working out which groups of packages we would have to download at a time | 07:50 |
| Keybuk | but don't you already do an ordering calculation for dpkg passing? | 07:50 |
| mdz | later | 07:50 |
| === daniels hums at xorg's 1212-character Build-Depends line. | ||
| daniels | wonder if that'll break sbuild or something in creative ways. | 07:50 |
| mdz | and it pretty much cheats with dpkg anyway | 07:50 |
| mdz | by unpacking as much as it can at once, modulo essential/pre-depends/conflicts | 07:51 |
| daniels | actually, make that 1240 (FEAR THE CVS LIBX11) | 07:51 |
| Lathiat | daniels: so does X work yet? :) | 07:51 |
| daniels | Lathiat: yeah | 07:51 |
| mdz | it is way more work than I am willing to do for the benefit of people who cannot manage their disk space | 07:51 |
| Lathiat | in the archives? | 07:51 |
| daniels | Lathiat: nope | 07:51 |
| Lathiat | daniels: :) | 07:52 |
| Keybuk | ...interesting | 07:52 |
| Keybuk | FreeBSD seems to support len=0 too | 07:52 |
| Keybuk | if ((ssize_t) uap->len < 0 || | 07:52 |
| Keybuk | ((flags & MAP_ANON) && uap->fd != -1)) | 07:52 |
| Keybuk | return (EINVAL); | 07:52 |
| mdz | pay no attention to them; they use parentheses around return values | 07:53 |
| === Lathiat laughs | ||
| Lathiat | my lecturer does that | 07:53 |
| Lathiat | its annoying | 07:53 |
| mdz | was the fix explicitly trying to avoid a security issue? | 07:53 |
| mdz | or were they just POSIXifying it while they were in there? | 07:53 |
| Keybuk | I have an image of a kernel developer going "aha! we can break a shit-load of software quietly, muahahahaha!" | 07:54 |
| mdz | somebody snuck the patch in by trying to disguise it as an ia64-specific issue | 07:54 |
| mdz | everyone ignored it because it said [IA64] in front | 07:54 |
| Keybuk | ok, fucking Solaris supports len=0 | 07:55 |
| Lathiat | like how mm snuck mppe in? :) | 07:55 |
| Lathiat | err | 07:55 |
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| Burgundavia | jdub, ping | 07:56 |
| Keybuk | fabbione: did you apply this same patch to hoary? | 07:56 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: pong | 07:57 |
| Burgundavia | jdub, I had a crazy thought about file managers, who would I chat with about it? | 07:57 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: checking | 07:57 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: chat to your blog, send me the link. :) | 07:59 |
| Burgundavia | jdub, I wish I had a blog | 07:59 |
| Keybuk | fabbione: this will break glibc too | 07:59 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: easy to set up :) | 07:59 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: and you're a member, so you'd get to be on planet ubuntu | 07:59 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: i am still checking | 07:59 |
| Burgundavia | jdub, got a suggestion, aside from livejournal? | 08:01 |
| Keybuk | in fact, this will break glibc in lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of places :-/ | 08:02 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: blogger, advogato... | 08:02 |
| Keybuk | they pretty much just pass st.st_size for length unilaterally | 08:02 |
| Keybuk | do we know whether the kernel developers really have done this for a reason, other than just while they were in there? | 08:03 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: no | 08:03 |
| fabbione | if (!len) | 08:03 |
| fabbione | - return addr; | 08:03 |
| fabbione | + return -EINVAL; | 08:03 |
| fabbione | it's probably not a security fix | 08:04 |
| fabbione | but if it is, it hasn't been announced yet | 08:04 |
| fabbione | i will keep an eye | 08:04 |
| === infinity curses the jadetex maintainers for outsmarting him. | ||
| infinity | Or outstupiding, as the case may be. | 08:09 |
| Keybuk | mdz: doesn't dpkg error if available is empty anyway? | 08:11 |
| Burgundavia | jdub, http://www.advogato.org/recentlog.html | 08:12 |
| Keybuk | oh, no, is ok | 08:12 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: you can also link here -> http://www.advogato.org/person/Burgundavia/ | 08:13 |
| jdub | :) | 08:13 |
| Burgundavia | jdub, yes, I saw that, after I pasted the link | 08:13 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: also, google for 'thunar' and have a look at the mockups | 08:13 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: you are a member, right? | 08:13 |
| Burgundavia | jdub, i have looked at thunar | 08:14 |
| Burgundavia | but I couldn't remember if it did all those things | 08:14 |
| fabbione | mdz: the ia64 patch is really ia64 specific :) | 08:14 |
| fabbione | and the change seems to be older than 12rc3 | 08:16 |
| Burgundavia | jdub, ok, that is exactly what I was looking for | 08:16 |
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| fabbione | mdz, Keybuck: the change was introduced the 28/03/2005 and SignedOff by Andrew Morton and Linus. | 08:19 |
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| Burgundavia | jdub, and yes I am a member | 08:22 |
| fabbione | http://linux.bkbits.net:8080/linux-2.6/patch@1.2181.46.141 | 08:23 |
| fabbione | here it is | 08:23 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: wanaa be on planet ubuntu? | 08:24 |
| jsgotangco | wow | 08:24 |
| Burgundavia | jdub, sure | 08:25 |
| fabbione | jdub: i did ask you to be on planet.u.c eons ago... | 08:25 |
| fabbione | jdub: am i there or not? | 08:25 |
| jdub | fabbione: yep | 08:26 |
| fabbione | ok | 08:26 |
| Keybuk | fabbione: sweet | 08:26 |
| jsgotangco | :) | 08:26 |
| jsgotangco | face hacking | 08:26 |
| jsgotangco | neat | 08:26 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: i am pretty sure it's not easy to convince upstream that the fix is correct, but needs to be reverted :) | 08:26 |
| fabbione | i can temporary revert or special case it | 08:27 |
| fabbione | but userland needs fixing | 08:27 |
| Keybuk | userland will have to catch up anyway | 08:27 |
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| Burgundavia | ok, someone needs to check that nats head is screwed on right | 08:28 |
| Keybuk | fabbione: you realise, this makes the quickest set of dpkg releases in history, right? :p | 08:29 |
| jdub | Keybuk: release name "in like flynn" | 08:30 |
| Keybuk | what's what one mean? :p | 08:31 |
| jdub | elmo: planet ubuntu update please :-) | 08:31 |
| daniels | Kamion: um | 08:33 |
| daniels | Kamion: so, like, locale handling in xlib | 08:33 |
| daniels | Kamion: no-one uses that, right? | 08:33 |
| daniels | In Like Flynn | 08:34 |
| daniels | Dates back to 1945, refering to how easily movie star Errol Flynn could get women into bed with him. | 08:34 |
| jdub | s/women/people/ | 08:35 |
| Keybuk | descent dpkg-1.13% ./src/dpkg-query -l | 08:36 |
| Keybuk | ZERO BYTE PROTECTION MATRIX ACTIVE! | 08:36 |
| Keybuk | kewl | 08:36 |
| Burgundavia | jdub, cheers | 08:37 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: ooh, you let ogra add some messages to dpkg, to make it more movieos-ish? :) | 08:37 |
| jdub | ha ha ha ha | 08:37 |
| Treenaks | jdub: I want everything to give me messages like that | 08:38 |
| Treenaks | jdub: especially when I'm using my full-screen xterms | 08:38 |
| bob2 | we need a en_MOVIEOS locale | 08:38 |
| bob2 | in rosetta | 08:38 |
| jdub | ACCESS DENIED | 08:38 |
| Keybuk | http://arch.netsplit.com/scott@netsplit.com--2005/dpkg--devel--1.13--patch-157 | 08:39 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: it's a pleasure to have this honour :) | 08:42 |
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| pitti | Morning | 08:48 |
| fabbione | hey pitti | 08:48 |
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| allee | #kde-devel | 08:56 |
| allee | wrong tab sorry | 08:58 |
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| daniels | Kamion: if I don't have something workable by :00, I'll just upload a couple of tiny fixes, no modular libX11 | 09:14 |
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| daniels | Kamion: preparing a fixes-only -24 now | 10:20 |
| daniels | er, -23 | 10:20 |
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| Lathiat | daniels: for X so it would mostly work? | 10:24 |
| daniels | yeah | 10:26 |
| daniels | just the mkfontdir fix | 10:26 |
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| Amaranth | didn't you say you were going to break it all again in -24 though? :) | 10:31 |
| AndyFitz | is doing a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -you to breezy from hoary is safe at this stage ?. will it know what to disregard ? | 10:33 |
| Lathiat | AndyFitz: not quite yet i think :) | 10:35 |
| Lathiat | Amaranth: heh | 10:35 |
| Amaranth | AndyFitz: If you care about X, universe, or KDE you shouldn't. :D | 10:36 |
| AndyFitz | bugger, I care about gnome, X, gaim and firefox | 10:37 |
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| pitti | Hey hey seb128! | 11:03 |
| seb128 | hey pitti :) | 11:03 |
| pitti | seb128: you'll upload a new set of gnome packages soon? I think we should try to downsize http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/dload-strippedtar.txt soon to make the Rosetta guys happy | 11:04 |
| seb128 | weird, there is some packages I've uploaded yesterday in this list | 11:04 |
| pitti | seb128: there might still be a bug | 11:05 |
| seb128 | seems so | 11:05 |
| pitti | seb128: is the POT file created on your local build? | 11:05 |
| seb128 | Warning: tarball ximian-connector_2.3.3-0ubuntu1_translations.tar.gz does not contain a POT file | 11:05 |
| seb128 | Warning: tarball evolution_2.3.3-0ubuntu1_translations.tar.gz does not contain a POT file | 11:05 |
| seb128 | good question | 11:05 |
| pitti | these are recent uploads? | 11:05 |
| seb128 | yesterday | 11:05 |
| seb128 | Warning: tarball gal2.4_2.5.3-0ubuntu1_translations.tar.gz does not contain a POT file | 11:06 |
| seb128 | 2 days ago | 11:06 |
| seb128 | Warning: tarball nautilus-cd-burner_2.11.3-0ubuntu1_translations.tar.gz does not contain a POT file | 11:06 |
| seb128 | yesterday | 11:06 |
| pitti | seb128: do you have local builds? | 11:06 |
| seb128 | yep | 11:06 |
| pitti | seb128: where you could do a find -name "*.pot"? | 11:06 |
| seb128 | ximian-connector has no pot | 11:07 |
| pitti | ... but uses gnome.mk? | 11:07 |
| seb128 | but running "/usr/bin/intltool-update -p --verbose;" works fine | 11:07 |
| seb128 | yep, it uses gnome.mk | 11:07 |
| pitti | seb128: can you look into the build log or put it somewhere? | 11:07 |
| pitti | seb128: I'll fix some non-gnome packages in the next time | 11:08 |
| seb128 | Wrote ../storage/ximian-connector.xml.h | 11:08 |
| seb128 | *** xgettext is not found on this system! | 11:08 |
| seb128 | *** Without it, intltool-update can not extract strings. | 11:08 |
| pitti | uh | 11:08 |
| seb128 | hum | 11:08 |
| pitti | intltool depends on gettext... | 11:09 |
| seb128 | I have xgettext on my box | 11:09 |
| seb128 | and running "/usr/bin/intltool-update -p --verbose;" myself works | 11:09 |
| pitti | well, wait | 11:09 |
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| pitti | is there an intltool in the source package? | 11:09 |
| pitti | Hi thom | 11:09 |
| pitti | seb128: cdbs prefers intltool in the sources and only uses /usr/bin if it isn't present | 11:10 |
| seb128 | oh k | 11:10 |
| seb128 | that's bad | 11:10 |
| daniels | boooo cdbs | 11:10 |
| pitti | seb128: so running ./intltool-update in the source package fails? | 11:10 |
| seb128 | the local intltool-update has | 11:10 |
| seb128 | my $XGETTEXT = $ENV{"XGETTEXT"} || "/opt/gnome2/bin//xgettext"; | 11:10 |
| pitti | ARRRGH | 11:10 |
| seb128 | a lot of packages have this bug IIRC | 11:11 |
| pitti | seb128: so XGETTEXT=/usr/bin/xgettext ./intltool-update works? | 11:11 |
| seb128 | now that you speak about it, a guy bugged me about that some time ago | 11:11 |
| danielki | eeeep | 11:11 |
| pitti | seb128: I can add the env variable to gnome.mk | 11:11 |
| seb128 | correct | 11:11 |
| seb128 | that fixes it | 11:11 |
| === pitti fixes | ||
| daniels | OH FRIGGING HELL IMAKE | 11:11 |
| daniels | build systems are crap. | 11:11 |
| pitti | daniels: it's like mutt, they all suck, some suck less... | 11:12 |
| daniels | xorg should build by osmosis or something. | 11:12 |
| daniels | autotools is showering me in hate and derision in one tab, and imake is kicking me in the goods and taunting me in another | 11:12 |
| seb128 | pitti: this bug should be fixed though | 11:12 |
| seb128 | my $MSGFMT = $ENV{"MSGFMT"} || "/opt/gnome2/bin//msgfmt"; | 11:12 |
| Lathiat | daniels: heh | 11:12 |
| seb128 | my $MSGMERGE = $ENV{"MSGMERGE"} || "/opt/gnome2/bin//msgmerge"; | 11:13 |
| pitti | seb128: OMG | 11:13 |
| Lathiat | hm, archive.ubuntu.com is running a tad slow | 11:13 |
| pitti | seb128: but that's hardcoded into dozens of packages | 11:13 |
| seb128 | pitti: anyway to create the .pot we only need $XGETTEXT | 11:13 |
| seb128 | pitti: yeah | 11:13 |
| pitti | seb128: it might be easier to just prefer /usr/bin/intltool-update then | 11:13 |
| seb128 | I think so | 11:13 |
| seb128 | no reason to prefer bugged copies | 11:14 |
| pitti | seb128: alright, I swap the preference and add the XGETTEXT variable | 11:14 |
| seb128 | thanks | 11:14 |
| pitti | seb128: so we'll need to upload that stuff again at some time | 11:14 |
| seb128 | what stuff? | 11:14 |
| seb128 | the bugged packages? | 11:14 |
| pitti | seb128: I fixed postgresql yesterday btw, just not yet uploaded | 11:14 |
| pitti | seb128: yes | 11:14 |
| pitti | seb128: to have them rebuilt and the pot file extracted | 11:15 |
| seb128 | that cannot be done by hand? | 11:15 |
| seb128 | rebuilding evolution to just get the .pot seems a waste | 11:15 |
| pitti | seb128: well, it can | 11:15 |
| pitti | seb128: no, not just for the pot | 11:15 |
| pitti | seb128: but there certainly will be a new upload anyway | 11:15 |
| seb128 | any hurry? | 11:16 |
| pitti | seb128: until Breezy release :) | 11:16 |
| seb128 | anything will be upload within 2-3 weeks again | 11:16 |
| seb128 | oh, that's fine | 11:16 |
| seb128 | we have a bunch of GNOME versions before | 11:16 |
| pitti | seb128: but given the number of outstanding packages we should start fixing that early | 11:16 |
| seb128 | your list is quite small | 11:17 |
| seb128 | I upload 60% of these packages on a normal new GNOME version | 11:17 |
| pitti | seb128: which is good :-) | 11:17 |
| seb128 | just fix the CDBS hack and we are fine | 11:17 |
| seb128 | I've some stuff to upload today, I'll wait to get your fixed packages on the buildd | 11:17 |
| pitti | I fixed it, now I test it, then I upload; gimme ~ 15 minutes | 11:18 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, wait, the dchroots aren't updated until tomorrow anyway | 11:18 |
| pitti | seb128: so just go ahead, if it's settled in 3 weeks, that's fine | 11:19 |
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| pitti | Hi trulux | 11:28 |
| seb128 | pitti: k, thanks | 11:28 |
| pitti | seb128: uploaded, btw | 11:28 |
| pitti | mvo: here` | 11:29 |
| pitti | ? | 11:29 |
| Keybuk | descent src% fakeroot ./dpkg --print-architecture | 11:39 |
| Keybuk | i386 | 11:39 |
| Keybuk | yay, that's better | 11:39 |
| pitti | hooray | 11:39 |
| Keybuk | Unpacking banana (from /home/scott/tmp/banana_1.0.deb) ... | 11:40 |
| Keybuk | couldn't open log `': No such file or directory | 11:40 |
| Keybuk | free(): invalid pointer 0xbffff214! | 11:40 |
| Keybuk | zsh: segmentation fault (core dumped) sudo ./dpkg -i ~/tmp/banana_1.0.deb | 11:40 |
| Keybuk | ... | 11:40 |
| Keybuk | well, partly better | 11:40 |
| mvo | pitti: yes | 11:40 |
| daniels | argh, good god | 11:40 |
| pitti | mvo: can you modify the update-manager package that it creates a POT file during build? | 11:40 |
| daniels | i wonder if it ever occurred to whoever wrote xf86config that 3095-character strings means that YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING WRONG | 11:41 |
| pitti | mvo: same for synaptic? | 11:41 |
| Lathiat | daniels: whats that for? | 11:41 |
| daniels | Lathiat: it's in xorgconfig.c | 11:41 |
| daniels | the 'string length 3095 is longer than the 509 ANSI C compilers are required to support' warning caught my eye | 11:41 |
| mvo | pitti: they don't do that right now? they should have a pretty much default config when it comes to gettext | 11:41 |
| Lathiat | daniels: heh | 11:41 |
| pitti | mvo: | 11:41 |
| pitti | http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/dload-strippedtar.txt | 11:42 |
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| Keybuk | daniels: ANSI only used to mandate 509 :p | 11:42 |
| mvo | pitti: ok, I'll check | 11:42 |
| daniels | Keybuk: right, hence the whole warning bit | 11:42 |
| Keybuk | oh, sorry, you mentioned that | 11:42 |
| Keybuk | I always thought that was such a "thumb up the arse" constant | 11:43 |
| Keybuk | it's not even a power of 2, like real constants | 11:43 |
| daniels | oh, sure | 11:43 |
| danielki | 512 - 3 | 11:43 |
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| daniels | but it's a great indication of stupid code ahead | 11:43 |
| daniels | danielki: one for \0, two for ... | 11:43 |
| Keybuk | \r\n | 11:43 |
| Keybuk | ? :p | 11:43 |
| danielki | if thought of in terms of dwords it makes some sense | 11:43 |
| daniels | ah yes | 11:43 |
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| daniels | god, this cursor generation is annoying | 11:44 |
| daniels | that *has* to go for -25 | 11:44 |
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| Keybuk | if (log) nfmalloc... | 11:46 |
| Keybuk | no, Keybuk, if (!log) :p | 11:46 |
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| daniels | gar, this manpage preprocessing thing is annoying me | 11:46 |
| daniels | heh | 11:46 |
| Keybuk | 2005-06-10 09:46:52 status k\uffffL\uffff,qx,q\uffff\uffff\uffff\uffff\uffff\uffff$ | 11:47 |
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| Keybuk | hmm.... wrong pointer in there somewhere methinks | 11:47 |
| daniels | smooth | 11:47 |
| Amaranth | stupid netsplits | 11:47 |
| Keybuk | ah, no, I wanted varbufvprintf | 11:47 |
| Amaranth | if the old me comes back from the dead and knocks me off irc i'll be super pissed | 11:47 |
| daniels | ah, crap, I hate Romanian kezboards | 11:52 |
| daniels | grpalts?toggle lets me toggle to Romanian | 11:52 |
| daniels | but not back to us | 11:52 |
| Keybuk | why are you on a Romanian keyboard? | 11:53 |
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| daniels | #10939 | 11:54 |
| daniels | not so much a romanian keyboard as just hte layout | 11:54 |
| Keybuk | ah | 11:55 |
| daniels | aha. | 11:55 |
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| Keybuk | OMFG | 11:56 |
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| Keybuk | (after discovering a bug the size of a large planet in the dpkg config file parser) | 11:56 |
| daniels | whoohoo | 11:56 |
| thom | not a small moon? | 11:56 |
| daniels | thom: dpkg ever has small bugs? | 11:57 |
| Keybuk | Dear iwj, when storing a string you've just found in the file, it helps to strdup it so the memory isn't overwritten by the string in the next line | 11:57 |
| daniels | i thought it only broke shit no-one cared about, like dpkg-architecture, and dpkg --print-architecture | 11:57 |
| Keybuk | I deliberately broke dpkg-architecture though | 12:00 |
| Keybuk | hmm | 12:03 |
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| Keybuk | if (!strcmp(user, "branden")) | 12:03 |
| Keybuk | cause_strange_divert_bugs(); | 12:03 |
| daniels | heh | 12:03 |
| danielki | eeep | 12:04 |
| danielki | I hate this !strcmp() syntax | 12:04 |
| Keybuk | danielki: read "strcmp" as "do these strings differ?" | 12:04 |
| Keybuk | it's a common early mistake to try and read it as "are they the same?" | 12:05 |
| danielki | well but that's not what it's doing | 12:05 |
| Keybuk | so that's if not the strings differ | 12:05 |
| danielki | it doesn't return a boolean | 12:05 |
| danielki | so I prefer using == 0, < 0, > 0 | 12:05 |
| Keybuk | everything's boolean in C :p | 12:05 |
| danielki | everything converts to boolean, yes | 12:06 |
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| Keybuk | I went through a phase of doing things like: if (file == NULL) and stuff | 12:07 |
| Keybuk | but got bored of it | 12:07 |
| danielki | that's different | 12:07 |
| Keybuk | too much typing :p | 12:07 |
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| pitti | hrmpf, bloody network; I lost everything after "<pitti> seb128: is system-tools-backends in the set of packages you upload soon?" | 12:10 |
| seb128 | I've not received this one | 12:10 |
| seb128 | probably not, but I can do an upload if you want | 12:11 |
| pitti | not just for the pot | 12:11 |
| pitti | seb128: I started to collect the packages that only require a rebuild in a list | 12:11 |
| seb128 | there is probably some bug to fix, I can look for one to pretext an upload :p | 12:11 |
| pitti | hehe | 12:11 |
| Keybuk | danielki: C doesn't have a boolean type, so nothing converts to boolean | 12:11 |
| Keybuk | (ignoring the silly typdef in C99 for C++ freaks :p) | 12:12 |
| danielki | Keybuk: well every expression can be evaluated in a boolean context | 12:12 |
| danielki | ok now? :) | 12:12 |
| Keybuk | indeed, and that's implemented as a comparison against zero | 12:13 |
| danielki | btw I got C++ background | 12:13 |
| Keybuk | so why add your own comparison against zero? | 12:13 |
| Keybuk | if (x != 0) ... ends up as cmp(cmp(x, 0), 0) | 12:13 |
| danielki | Keybuk: for clarification in cases where it's not obvious | 12:13 |
| pitti | elmo: can I please have libgnomeprintui2.2-dev in concordia's breezy dchroot? | 12:14 |
| danielki | I wouldn't explicitely compare the return value of say strequal() against 0 | 12:14 |
| Keybuk | if (x) and if (!x) are absurdly common idioms in C though | 12:14 |
| danielki | yes | 12:14 |
| danielki | and I don't have a problem with that | 12:14 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, it doesn't use gnome.mk, so I have to fix it anyway | 12:14 |
| Keybuk | there is no strequal() in C though ... | 12:14 |
| danielki | but strcmp() doesn't return a boolean conceptionally | 12:14 |
| danielki | it was a hypothetical example | 12:15 |
| Keybuk | there are no C standard library functions that return conceptual booleans | 12:15 |
| Keybuk | they all return richer information | 12:15 |
| Keybuk | if (strchr("foo", 'f')) would be wrong, by your assertion, because it returns a pointer not a boolean | 12:15 |
| Keybuk | etc. | 12:15 |
| danielki | well yeah | 12:15 |
| Keybuk | this was pretty deliberate | 12:16 |
| Keybuk | and is actually why most functions return zero for "I worked" | 12:16 |
| danielki | I'm not saying my coding style is entirely consequent :) | 12:16 |
| Keybuk | so they can return lots more useful error information | 12:16 |
| danielki | I know | 12:16 |
| danielki | fortunately I'm doing C++ mostly | 12:16 |
| Keybuk | poor man ;) | 12:17 |
| danielki | heh | 12:17 |
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| elmo | pitti: done | 12:24 |
| pitti | thanks | 12:24 |
| mvo | pitti: I updated the u-m and synaptic repos. but I have no idea why the pots weren't included in the first place. it's a pretty stock "intltoolize" configureation (that seems to work for update-notifier just fine) | 12:36 |
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| pitti | mvo: well, all gnome packages are packaged that way, but don't generate a POT automatically | 12:36 |
| Kamion | daniels: cheers, dude | 12:36 |
| pitti | mvo: unless you use gnome.mk, you need to add the intltool-update --verbose -p call to debian/rules | 12:37 |
| daniels | just waiting for the build to finish to verify now; imake outsmarted me before and broke for no reason | 12:37 |
| daniels | and now I'm in the hillarious situation where I have no keyboard input but shift + control (everything else gets swallowed), but I can't restart X because the builds are running under it :P | 12:37 |
| daniels | (totally rooted -- SSHing in and trying to fix it with setxkbmap for ten minutes has yielded nothing) | 12:38 |
| daniels | mjg59: it would be awesome if dasher had symbols | 12:39 |
| mvo | pitti: wouldn't it be better if we would patch intltool so that it includes the pot file in the dist-rule in the generated po/Makefile? so that at least in the future the problem goes away? | 12:41 |
| pitti | mvo: if that's possible? | 12:41 |
| pitti | mvo: but make dist isn't executed at build, is it? | 12:41 |
| mvo | pitti: right. it was meant as a long term fix. because upstream would need to run intltoolize again in there po dir. then the pot file would be part of the upstream tarball | 12:43 |
| pitti | mvo: no, that's not the point | 12:43 |
| mvo | pitti: no? | 12:43 |
| pitti | mvo: we really need to create the pot during package build | 12:43 |
| pitti | mvo: e. g. if Ubuntu adds a patch involving strings, we want to have them in the POT | 12:43 |
| mjg59 | daniels: Select "English with lots of punctuation" | 12:44 |
| pitti | mvo: so if at all, we need to patch intltoolize to add the "create pot" dependency | 12:44 |
| daniels | mjg59: my hero | 12:46 |
| mvo | pitti: that means that each package needs to be modified to include this "intltool-update -p" (because we potentially modifiy string for each package in main)? | 12:47 |
| pitti | mvo: well, I did a general solution for cdbs+gnome.mk | 12:47 |
| pitti | mvo: so that Gnome is done | 12:47 |
| mvo | pitti: for all cdbs packages :) | 12:47 |
| pitti | mvo: I asked Riddell to do a similar trick in KDE | 12:47 |
| pitti | mvo: and many non-Gnome/KDE packages already come with a POT, and adding UBuntu-specific strings is relatively unlikey (and not as important as for Gnome/KDE) | 12:48 |
| pitti | mvo: so in the end we only need to fix 20ish packages | 12:48 |
| pitti | mvo: I'm doing that ATM | 12:48 |
| mvo | pitti: ok, so intltool-update -p and a build-dep on intltool for u-m,u-n,synaptic? | 12:51 |
| pitti | mvo: it's not already a build-dep? | 12:52 |
| mvo | pitti: it is, right | 12:52 |
| mvo | pitti: is it urgent? or is it good enough if it's part of the next regular update | 12:53 |
| pitti | mvo: oh, it's not that urgent | 12:54 |
| pitti | mvo: I just go down the list and make sure that it will be fixed in a few weeks at most | 12:54 |
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| pitti | mvo: the Rosetta guys need POT files for import, so the earlier they have them, the earlier I can build langpacks from Rosetta :-) | 12:55 |
| fabbione | elmo: please NEW redhat-cluster-suite (the source and a couple of debs need to go in main - lvm2 b-d, the others in universe are ok for now) | 12:57 |
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| jordi | carlos: dude | 01:01 |
| jordi | carlos: where's the src for the gnome status pages? | 01:01 |
| carlos | jordi, I send it when someone asks me for it | 01:01 |
| carlos | why? | 01:01 |
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| jordi | I want it :) | 01:03 |
| jordi | for the lliurex status pages. :) | 01:03 |
| jordi | carlos: should be in CVS I guess | 01:03 |
| carlos | jordi, no way, it's so ugly and dark hack I don't want it in a CVS. New version is available as an ARCH repository | 01:06 |
| carlos | jordi, but the old one is not | 01:06 |
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| jordi | carlos: new one as in the New Status Pages(TM)? | 01:08 |
| carlos | yeah | 01:08 |
| jordi | carlos: nobody expected woody would come out before the new status pages! :P | 01:08 |
| carlos | the python one | 01:08 |
| jordi | err, sarge | 01:08 |
| jordi | once again I need a nap | 01:08 |
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| jordi | so is that usable? | 01:09 |
| carlos | not yet | 01:09 |
| jordi | how far from being usable? | 01:09 |
| carlos | not too much, I have the database running already | 01:15 |
| carlos | jordi, but I cannot give you dates | 01:15 |
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| jordi | carlos: ok, so can you mail me the hackish code which I'll keep private? :) | 01:22 |
| carlos | jordi, you are free to share it, is GPL, but will do, don't worry, let me finish my current task... | 01:23 |
| jordi | k | 01:24 |
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| daniels | god, the install target is achingly slow tonight | 01:35 |
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| pitti | elmo: can I please have in conc/breezy: libgsf-gnome-1-dev libgda2-dev | 01:39 |
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| elmo | pitti: done | 01:44 |
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| daniels | OH< COCK | 01:48 |
| daniels | my build would've completed a FULL HOUR EARLIER had festival not been spinning | 01:48 |
| daniels | godamnit | 01:48 |
| TerminX | say, does X still need a bunch of manual symlinks to work? | 01:50 |
| daniels | TerminX: no | 01:50 |
| daniels | right now, it needs one | 01:50 |
| daniels | and as soon as this dput is finished, it will need zero | 01:50 |
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| Amaranth | sucks, i don't know how to find them | 01:50 |
| TerminX | alright.. I've been holding off upgrading for a few weeks so I'm still using 6.8.2-10 | 01:50 |
| Micksa | if anyone cares | 01:54 |
| Micksa | "mozilla $file" from cmdline doesn't appear to work if $file contains spaces | 01:54 |
| daniels | Micksa: mozilla "$file" | 01:54 |
| Micksa | that either :P | 01:54 |
| Micksa | gawddammit I sure get the newbie treatment a lot | 01:55 |
| tseng | works in firefox | 01:55 |
| tseng | so im pretty sure it works in moz too | 01:55 |
| daniels | Kamion: enjoy -23 | 01:56 |
| daniels | tseng: nope, he's right | 01:56 |
| daniels | daniels@catsby:~% echo '<html><head><title>foo bar</title></head><body>foo bar</body></html>' > 'foo bar.html' && mozilla 'foo bar.html' | 01:56 |
| daniels | /usr/bin/mozilla: line 385: [: /home/daniels/foo: binary operator expected | 01:56 |
| daniels | zsh: exit 3 mozilla 'foo bar.html' | 01:56 |
| daniels | it's a pretty obvious lack of quoting thorughout | 01:57 |
| Treenaks | go daniels :) | 01:57 |
| tseng | well its fixed in FF then | 01:58 |
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| fabbione | elmo: thanks for NEW'ing | 02:05 |
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| pitti | mvo: I didn't see a POT-related change in the latest u-n upload, does that already build a pot? | 02:06 |
| mvo | pitti: it should, does it not do it? | 02:08 |
| pitti | mvo: dunno, I just read it at u-changes | 02:08 |
| pitti | mvo: I'll see tomorrow, then the list is autogenerated again | 02:09 |
| mvo | pitti: please ping me if it doesn't, it should do it now (I may have forgotten to add that change to the changelog) | 02:09 |
| pitti | sure, I'll walk the list occasionally in the next time | 02:09 |
| mvo | pitti: thanks | 02:10 |
| daniels | argh, this is so not funny | 02:12 |
| spo0nman | 02:13 | |
| daniels | hrm | 02:13 |
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| trulux | hey pitti | 02:22 |
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| pitti | seb128: hm, system-tools-backends and gnome-system-tools don't use cdbs... | 02:30 |
| seb128 | I know | 02:30 |
| daniels | jesus | 02:34 |
| daniels | various chunks of X now expect /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb, /usr/lib/X11/xkb, and /usr/share/X11/xkb for XKB data | 02:34 |
| daniels | and the packaging uses /etc/X11/xkb | 02:34 |
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| tseng | daniels: i bet it sucks more than dbus | 02:39 |
| daniels | tseng: yes, it does | 02:39 |
| daniels | fwiw, the only reason dbus isn't done, is because I'm in the middle of a mirror pulse | 02:40 |
| daniels | so I still have lots of broken packages, including mono | 02:40 |
| tseng | :( | 02:40 |
| tseng | its certainly not urgent, i just like to give you a raft of shit | 02:41 |
| daniels | watch it :P | 02:42 |
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| Nafallo | hi all! | 02:47 |
| AndyFit1 | hi Nafallo | 02:48 |
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| Kamion | mdz: ltsp-client should Depends: openssh-client (>= 1:3.9p1) | 02:58 |
| Kamion | (for SendEnv) | 02:58 |
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| doko | jbailey: looking at http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/s/sablotron/1.0.2-4ubuntu1/ I think we need to sync cdbs from unstable (if there's still something to sync). | 03:18 |
| pitti | erm, nooo! | 03:19 |
| pitti | merge, please | 03:19 |
| pitti | unless jbailey adopts the gnome.mk change | 03:19 |
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| jbailey | I guess i'm going to have to start thinking about cdbs in debian again, since 1) There's no freeze, and 2) my comaintainer just resigned for Debian. hmm | 03:20 |
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| Burgundavia | jbailey, who was your comaintainer | 03:21 |
| jbailey | Burgundavia: Robert Millan | 03:21 |
| pitti | what a pity | 03:21 |
| doko | jbailey: would a sync/merge/whatever possible today? | 03:22 |
| jbailey | doko: Yup, give me an hour? | 03:22 |
| pitti | jbailey: cdbs-edit-patch is already in Debian, right? | 03:22 |
| jbailey | pitti: I'm pretty sure it is. | 03:22 |
| pitti | jbailey: how do you feel about the POT extraction change? | 03:22 |
| jbailey | pitti: To gnome.mk? | 03:22 |
| pitti | jbailey: that's the only other Ubuntu change so far IIRC | 03:22 |
| pitti | yes | 03:22 |
| azeem | jbailey: you also start needing to think who to push CDBS' street credibility again. Everybody in Debian seems to hate it now :( | 03:23 |
| jbailey | pitti: I defer all of those decisions to seb and the gnome team. They're welcome to include all the crazy things they want in there. | 03:23 |
| azeem | gar, s/who/how/ | 03:23 |
| pitti | jbailey: I'm currently changing two dozens of other packages to generate POT files; I'll submit the patches to Debian, too | 03:23 |
| pitti | azeem: oh, why? | 03:23 |
| jbailey | azeem: Robert made some crack-headed decisions with it, which is sad. | 03:23 |
| azeem | yeah | 03:23 |
| jbailey | azeem: Although so far when I ask people why they don't like cdbs, they can't actually tell me why. | 03:23 |
| pitti | because it rock!!! :-) | 03:24 |
| pitti | s/k!/ks!/ | 03:24 |
| jbailey | The majority of them seem unable to distinguish 'cdbs' and 'dbs', which is unfortunate. | 03:24 |
| azeem | well, the let's change Build-Depends on-the-fly by putting @cdbs@ in it didn't go down well with some people | 03:24 |
| jbailey | Right, but those people seem unable to accept the "then don't use that feature" | 03:24 |
| pitti | azeem: erm, nobody forces you to, right? | 03:24 |
| jbailey | And with the new DAM being a crack-head and refusing packages that use it, didn't help. | 03:25 |
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| azeem | pitti: some people == ftp-master who reviewed NEW packages with that crack applied | 03:25 |
| doko | jbailey: cdbs isn't over-documentated | 03:25 |
| jbailey | azeem: I think probably the ugliest bit is that dh_make --cdbs uses that mode by *Default* | 03:25 |
| azeem | ugh | 03:25 |
| pitti | oh, there is a --cdbs switch? Nice... /me makes mental note | 03:26 |
| jbailey | The compromise that I worked out with the DAM for cdbs2 is that cdbs will continue to support that feature, *however*, it will be crippled such that if you don't have DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="genconfig" set, it'll error rather than update debian/control if it's out of date. | 03:26 |
| azeem | in any case I think we need some policy to freeze Build-Depends like cdbs way before release. Robert hacked on and off on it until a couple of days before the hard freeze | 03:26 |
| azeem | anyway, this is off-topic | 03:27 |
| jvw | fwiw, I agree with the policy to reject this type of build-time control mangling in Debian -- and it's likely to be forbidden by release policy too fwiw | 03:27 |
| jbailey | azeem: It's not horribly off-topic, cdbs development affects a good chunk of Ubuntu as well. | 03:27 |
| jbailey | jvw: At present that would mean refusing glibc and gcc. | 03:27 |
| jvw | gcc & glibc have some weirdness that cause some ftp master scripts to complain yeah | 03:28 |
| jvw | I didn't yet look into that because of the base freeze | 03:28 |
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| jbailey | jvw: That was my objection to the sudden refusal to accept the packages. There's prior art for it and nothing in policy that prevents it. | 03:28 |
| azeem | jvw: are you talking about Build-Depends mangling, or all kinds of control mangling? | 03:28 |
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| jvw | azeem: basicly all -- there's substitution support in dpkg already | 03:28 |
| jvw | that should be used, as the Debian policy says | 03:28 |
| jvw | like shlibs does | 03:28 |
| jbailey | There's no reason why build-dep's *shouldn't* be auto-generated. | 03:29 |
| jvw | other control file mangling is only likely to give you problems IMHO | 03:29 |
| jbailey | It just needs to be done and locked before upload, and die if there's any chance of it happening at buildd time. | 03:29 |
| jbailey | And jrg agreed to that. | 03:29 |
| jvw | jbailey: yes, there is -- build-depends are stored in the .dsc, and an autobuild changing that from under it is WRONG | 03:29 |
| jvw | ah, right | 03:29 |
| jbailey | jvw: Read again. =) | 03:29 |
| jvw | I typed before your last two lines :) | 03:29 |
| jbailey | =) | 03:30 |
| jvw | anyway, in what cases can it then suddenly die? | 03:30 |
| jvw | seems to me like a great chance of later on suddenly the package starting to FTBFS | 03:30 |
| jvw | and, still I don't see *at all* a need for control mangling | 03:30 |
| jvw | substvars support in dpkg is exactly meant for that, and accepted | 03:30 |
| jbailey | When using a tool.. cdbs, dpkg, debhelper, etc. there's always a chance of a package FTBFSing at a later date. | 03:30 |
| jvw | rather than @cdbs@ voodoo | 03:30 |
| jbailey | Right, except that substvars can't work for build-depends. | 03:31 |
| jvw | jbailey: true, so I'm not necessarily saying it's not ok | 03:31 |
| jbailey | Again, it's too late. | 03:31 |
| jvw | jbailey: why not? They only apply to later stanza's...? Hm, can be | 03:31 |
| jbailey | No, it's because the build-deps are stored in the .dsc file. | 03:31 |
| jbailey | @subst@ substitutions happen when control is split into the various binary packages. | 03:31 |
| jbailey | err, substvars, rather. | 03:32 |
| jvw | ah, true | 03:32 |
| jvw | well, I do maintain that the possibility of build-depends changing at build time is a no-no | 03:32 |
| jbailey | The trick here is that cdbs should be able to make an accurate guess about things like minimum debhelper requirements, etc. | 03:32 |
| jvw | FTBFS'ing is more like a maintainance problem, I don't think I like it, but I'm not opposed enough to argue against it | 03:33 |
| jbailey | The gnome team might say universally that they need a minimum version of gnome-libs or something. That's all bits that cdbs can now. | 03:33 |
| jbailey | s/now/know/ | 03:33 |
| jvw | well, Debian's package management doesn't support that, and how could buildd's start to know that? | 03:33 |
| jbailey | Because cdbs is macro-based. | 03:33 |
| jbailey | So if you say that you want the debhelper feature. | 03:34 |
| jbailey | It can automatically impliy debhelper >> 4 | 03:34 |
| jbailey | If you have a python app, and a module pulls in dh_python | 03:34 |
| jbailey | It can know that it needs to update that to 4.2 | 03:34 |
| jbailey | So rather than relying on the developper to specify all these things by hand (which he generally won't), they can be inserted automatically and ease the backporting nightmare. | 03:35 |
| jvw | that module got updated by an upload, that upload then should of course have the right depends then... | 03:35 |
| jvw | missing dependency of that module | 03:35 |
| jbailey | True for depends, not true for build-depends. | 03:35 |
| jvw | you depend on cdbs, cdbs's module apparantly requires debhelper4.2 | 03:36 |
| jvw | then it that given cdbs version must depend on debhelper4.2 | 03:36 |
| jbailey | Except that there's no need for cdbs to depend on debhelper at all. | 03:36 |
| jvw | quite clear, and works for lots of years in Debian already | 03:36 |
| jbailey | You're not required to use debhelper in order to use cdbs. | 03:36 |
| jbailey | (You'd be insane not to, mind you.. *g*) | 03:36 |
| pitti | jbailey: the question is now many packages actually use cdbs without debhelper in reality | 03:36 |
| jbailey | pitti: None. | 03:37 |
| jbailey | But why should cdbs force you to get a *newer* debhelper, just because in one particular configuration you need a newer version? | 03:37 |
| jvw | IMHO that's a design flaw in cdbs, but whatever, we'll see what cdbs2 brings | 03:37 |
| pitti | jbailey: even if there was, having an unnecessary debhelper b-d for one or two packages in the archive is no biggie... | 03:37 |
| jbailey | Or what about cdbs' distutils support? Should it also depend on python? ocaml? ant? | 03:37 |
| pitti | jbailey: well, wrt the version you are right | 03:37 |
| jvw | I simly note that my trust in cdbs is not very high atm due to the frequent breakeage caused also in the last months before release | 03:37 |
| jvw | that *really* was annoying | 03:38 |
| jvw | I don't recall at all a debhelper upload suddenly causing tons of packages to FTBFS | 03:38 |
| jbailey | I do. =) | 03:38 |
| jbailey | But in any event, most of the breakage in the few months before the Sarge release I was generally unaware of. | 03:38 |
| jvw | well, debhelper is more mature, it might have done so a while ago indeed | 03:38 |
| jbailey | We froze cdbs in Ubuntu in January and didn't pull in the updates after that. | 03:38 |
| jvw | http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/cdbs/news/1.html | 03:39 |
| doko | jvw: generated control files aren't bad, if they don't change during the build | 03:40 |
| jvw | if you have such a central build-depends like cdbs, it is a *must* to test building a number of packages with it to see if it breaks | 03:40 |
| jvw | doko: I agree with that | 03:40 |
| jbailey | I tried to avoid updating cdbs and initrd-tools after that. All breakage from that point on was by comaintainers or NMUers who wouldn't accept my rational of "Leave it *alone*, it's good enough" | 03:40 |
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| jvw | jbailey: I don't blame you for it fwiw, I'm just noting my unhappyness with cdbs maintainance in Debian in general in the period before release :) | 03:41 |
| jbailey | jvw: RIght, and before every upload I did to Debian until probably mid-last fall when I stopped doing serious new work on it, I used to build every cdbs-using package in the archive with each update. | 03:41 |
| jbailey | It's hard to convine people to do that when they're NMUing, and the buildd maintainers get upset when you do that automatically. =) | 03:41 |
| Burgundavia | is this license DFSG free? | 03:41 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.opencontent.org/opl.shtml | 03:41 |
| jvw | doko: gcc/glibc have some inaccurateness in the .dsc Binary: field though, but I'll mail/bug later about that :) | 03:42 |
| doko | it will become interesting, when I want to automatically add/drop a binary package for an automatic build. but you could work around that by building the package twice, or a policy to call a target to regenerate the control file | 03:42 |
| daniels | Burgundavia: doubt it | 03:42 |
| daniels | You may not charge a fee for the sole service of providing access to and/or use of the OC via a network (e.g. the Internet), whether it be via the world wide web, FTP, or any other method. | 03:42 |
| doko | jvw: you mean packages not built anymore from one package? | 03:42 |
| jvw | I think .dsc's should have a more accurate Binary: field support, more manifest-like: stating which archs build which binary package -- accurately | 03:42 |
| jvw | doko: also packages built from it without admitting it iirc | 03:42 |
| doko | really? that's fun | 03:43 |
| jvw | doko: oh, that's gcc-2.95 only | 03:43 |
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| jvw | doko: gcc-2.95-nof is built without the .dsc admitting to it | 03:43 |
| jvw | doko: will etch ship gcc-2.95? | 03:44 |
| jbailey | jvw: Anyhow, if you're interested in cdbs and have a love of interesting shell tricks, see the build-common module on svn.debian.org =) | 03:44 |
| doko | jvw: will m68k need it to build mac kernels? anyway, that's off topic ;-) | 03:45 |
| jvw | jbailey: actually I'm not, I don't use cdbs and don't want to use it, because I disagree with the fundamental design of it :) | 03:45 |
| jvw | doko: right, sorry :) | 03:45 |
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| Burgundavia | daniels, that license is made by the same people as the opl and that is non-free | 04:04 |
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| pitti | seb128, do you happen to have heard about a polypaudio sink for gstreamer? | 04:23 |
| seb128 | there is one | 04:23 |
| seb128 | it's not built because Debian doesn't has polypaudio | 04:23 |
| daniels | eww, polypaudio | 04:23 |
| seb128 | pitti: I can build it if you want | 04:23 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, that would be cool | 04:31 |
| pitti | seb128: btw, otavio salvador uploaded polypaudio to experimental | 04:31 |
| pitti | seb128: I spoke with him and we will maintain the package together (using baz trees) | 04:31 |
| pitti | seb128: with yesterday's fixes polypaudio behaves much better on my system at least | 04:32 |
| pitti | I'd like to push it into main soon for wider testing, just need to talk with Erik about supportability before | 04:32 |
| pitti | seb128: using the esd sink with it would forfeit many advantages, so if you could build the sink, that'd rock | 04:33 |
| seb128 | k | 04:34 |
| seb128 | I need to fix the gst-plugins0.8 build with cairo 0.5 first | 04:34 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, would that mean to build-dep on libpolyp-dev or so? | 04:34 |
| seb128 | yep | 04:35 |
| seb128 | the Debian package has already the code for polypaudio | 04:35 |
| pitti | seb128: hm, then we need the package in main first | 04:35 |
| pitti | seb128: so we have to throw it out again if it shouldn't work for us | 04:35 |
| jani | elmo ping | 04:38 |
| pitti | Riddell: around? | 04:38 |
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| Nafallo | maswan: what's up with your syncs today? haven't synced since 5:20. | 04:42 |
| Nafallo | maswan: ehm. rather your project/trace/ is a bit screwed ;-) | 04:43 |
| pitti | Hi mdz | 04:47 |
| mdz | morning | 04:47 |
| pitti | mdz: can we put polypaudio into main to receive some testing and be able to build a polypaudio gstreamer sink? | 04:47 |
| mdz | pitti: sure | 04:47 |
| pitti | mdz: if it still fails for too many users we might need to throw it out again | 04:48 |
| pitti | mdz: but at least for me it works quite well now | 04:48 |
| mdz | pitti: main, not desktop, right? | 04:48 |
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| pitti | mdz: supported for now to be able to depend on libpolyp-dev for gstreamer | 04:48 |
| pitti | mdz: depending on how it behaves, we should later drop it again or put it into desktop as esd replacement | 04:48 |
| mdz | pitti: will that resolve the issues with resampling that I am having? | 04:49 |
| pitti | mdz: oh, dmix doesn't resample for you? yes, it should | 04:49 |
| mdz | it sounds awful | 04:49 |
| pitti | mdz: that's what I mean, dmix is still too flakey to use it direcly | 04:49 |
| pitti | uh | 04:49 |
| mdz | I have to start esd with -r 48000 to get reasonable sound | 04:49 |
| pitti | mdz: ah | 04:50 |
| pitti | mdz: that's known | 04:50 |
| pitti | mdz: esd+dmix = the suck | 04:50 |
| mdz | ok | 04:50 |
| pitti | mdz: we changed the default gstreamer sink to alsa directly | 04:50 |
| pitti | mdz: however, that won't happen automatically if you ever changed it manually | 04:50 |
| pitti | mdz: kick esd for now and switch to alsa, that should work nicely | 04:50 |
| pitti | seb128: ok, it seems that depending on libpolyp-dev is fine for now | 04:51 |
| mdz | pitti: also, the esd output for xmms sounds terrible for some reason | 04:52 |
| mdz | ogg123 and mpg321 sound fine | 04:52 |
| mdz | but xmms pops and skips | 04:52 |
| pitti | probably the same bug | 04:52 |
| pitti | I tried to apply various patches to esd to make it work with the new alsa lib, but it didn't help | 04:52 |
| seb128 | elmo: can you sync gedit gconf-editor libgnomeui gucharmap(incoming) gcalctool(incoming) ? | 04:54 |
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| mdz | pitti: speaking of which, could you merge the new alsa-driver? I think jdthood has merged most of our patches now, so it should be good | 04:56 |
| pitti | mdz: sure, I already reassigned the bug to me | 04:56 |
| pitti | mdz: just didn't have time yet | 04:56 |
| mdz | ok, I am a bit behind on bugs :-) | 04:57 |
| pitti | mdz: I'll do that on monday; I'd like to finish Ubuntu work now and fix some PostgreSQL bugs :-) | 04:57 |
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| mdz | seb128: what's the word on LaunchpadIntegration? | 05:02 |
| seb128 | mdz: I've discussed about that with jamesh 2 days ago, need to review all the desktop package to count the number of them using all of the differents option to build a menu | 05:03 |
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| shaya | anyone having problems w/ ctrl-alt-f-key vt switching in X? | 05:04 |
| seb128 | mdz: Mark wants the menu items for the standard Desktop and is fine with the spec's picker for the rest of packages ... we are trying to figure how much work/patching the menu changes require | 05:04 |
| pitti | shaya: WFM | 05:04 |
| shaya | hmm | 05:05 |
| shaya | probably cause I'm on a mixture of -10 and -22 | 05:05 |
| shaya | oh well, can live without them for now | 05:05 |
| daniels | er, yeah | 05:05 |
| daniels | don't do that | 05:05 |
| shaya | well full -22 dont work | 05:06 |
| shaya | as font issue | 05:06 |
| daniels | no, but full -23 will | 05:06 |
| shaya | known problem I beleive | 05:06 |
| shaya | and if I hold the font packages back, but install the server stuff, can't input anything | 05:07 |
| shaya | so holding server and kebyoard stuff back | 05:07 |
| shaya | and X works fine mostly this way | 05:07 |
| daniels | sounds like you've created symlinks to fix stuff in the past, and they're coming back to eat your soul | 05:07 |
| mdz | seb128: didn't sivang do that review already? it's in the wiki somewhere | 05:08 |
| seb128 | mdz: he has reviewed the "about" boxes | 05:09 |
| seb128 | which would be an easy part to hack ... | 05:10 |
| seb128 | menu are tricky because they are not standard, every app list the items to put here | 05:10 |
| Nafallo | maswan: thanx :-) | 05:11 |
| shaya | daniels: I dont know why you assume I have a soul | 05:18 |
| shaya | :) | 05:18 |
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| mxpxpod | thom: ping | 05:22 |
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| seb128 | elmo: thanks | 05:29 |
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| doko | seb128: want 11680 back? | 05:46 |
| doko | tell gnome-terminal that it should start a login shell ... | 05:46 |
| seb128 | doko: bah, you have a bug open about this on Debian for 130 days that you have not closed | 05:47 |
| seb128 | doko: "bash" should source it? | 05:47 |
| doko | in Debian? didn't see it. | 05:47 |
| seb128 | doko: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=292023 | 05:47 |
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| doko | seb128: .bash_profile is only sourced, if it's a login shell. but you can tell gnome-terminal to start a login shell | 05:48 |
| seb128 | k | 05:48 |
| doko | 292023 is something else, but maybe invalid | 05:50 |
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| seb128 | doko: ubuntu bug closed, thanks | 05:51 |
| Stargazer_ | Hi.. nobody is answering me in #ubuntu.. I'm new to Ubuntu 5.04 PPC.. I have a few questions about playing video.. I have no problem installing VLC and it will play video (avi,divx) but never with sound. If I use the Totem player it always plays sounds but no video. Now, I install mplayer and I go to quicktime.com for example and the plugin downloads a movie trailer to 100% and then does nothing more at all.. no sound/no video. | 05:51 |
| seb128 | Stargazer_: that's not an user chan | 05:52 |
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| Stargazer_ | Any idea where I would find a user channel for ubuntu? | 05:52 |
| seb128 | #ubuntu | 05:53 |
| Stargazer_ | That's where no-one is answering me. | 05:53 |
| Kamion | seb128: you meant "this isn't a user chan", otherwise it looks like you're saying that #ubuntu isn't a user channel | 05:53 |
| bob2 | Stargazer_: try the user list then, http://lists.ubuntu.com/ | 05:53 |
| seb128 | Kamion: right | 05:53 |
| Simira | Stargazer_: try your country channel? Where are you from? | 05:53 |
| seb128 | Stargazer_: for totem use totem-xine rather, or totem-gstreamer with gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg | 05:54 |
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| Stargazer_ | I'm from Canada | 05:55 |
| Simira | Stargazer_: try #ubuntu-ca ? | 05:56 |
| Stargazer_ | Ok.. didn't realize that channel existed... thanks | 05:56 |
| jlj | Stargazer_: try #videolan for help with vlc | 05:57 |
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| shaya | what's the right answer to this Q | 06:01 |
| shaya | "The X system keyboard settings differ from your current GNOME keyboard settings. Which set would you like to use?" | 06:01 |
| shaya | X? gnome? | 06:01 |
| infinity | shaya : Doe syour keyboard work in GNOME? | 06:02 |
| infinity | shaya : If so, I'd pick that one. :) | 06:02 |
| shaya | I'm currently in gnome | 06:02 |
| shaya | but I'd assume its working b/c its using X settings | 06:02 |
| shaya | and clicking "Gnome" would change X and clicking X would change Gnome | 06:03 |
| shaya | ls | 06:03 |
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| shaya | anyways -23 seems to work fine | 06:12 |
| shaya | yay | 06:12 |
| shaya | at least once I changed font paths to shared | 06:12 |
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| susus | JaneW: ping | 06:20 |
| luis_ | this is not *quite* on topic, but does anyone know why ooo 1.9 has not been updated recently to the newer michael-released ooo builds? | 06:21 |
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| Kamion | What happened to the Firefox and Evolution icons in the top panel on fresh installations? | 07:09 |
| Kamion | otherwise, a fresh installation seems to work on at least i386 today | 07:10 |
| Kamion | whoa, no more "open terminal" entry on the desktop context menu? | 07:10 |
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| luis_ | apt-get install nautilus-open-terminal | 07:13 |
| tseng | luis_: how does that make sense? | 07:13 |
| luis_ | how does what make sense? | 07:14 |
| Amaranth | tseng: regular users don't need to open a terminal all the time | 07:14 |
| mdz | Kamion: I noticed both of those as well | 07:14 |
| tseng | moving the terminal button into a seperate package | 07:14 |
| luis_ | because most users shouldn't have to know what a terminal is | 07:14 |
| luis_ | much less have it as the first option in their file manager | 07:15 |
| luis_ | and because the new one in that package is much more powerful/flexible | 07:15 |
| mdz | I have a keyboard shortcut for a terminal; I don't use the context menu for that anyway | 07:15 |
| luis_ | so it is actually more useful for the power users who want it there | 07:15 |
| tseng | ok, ill try it | 07:15 |
| mdz | Kamion: which version of dpkg was used in that test? | 07:15 |
| luis_ | it actually opens terminals in the right directory, for example, if you're browsing a directory and right-click there | 07:15 |
| tseng | i have a keybinding, but on new/other systems | 07:15 |
| tseng | i am in the habit of using that in the context menu | 07:15 |
| mdz | Kamion: debootstrap fails for me with current dpkg | 07:15 |
| Kamion | mdz: 1.13.7 | 07:16 |
| Kamion | works fine on fresh installations | 07:16 |
| mdz | oh, never mind, that was a kernel thing | 07:16 |
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| mdz | dpkg fails with an empty available file under 2.6.12 | 07:16 |
| Kamion | hm, lots of warnings from new findutils | 07:16 |
| tseng | luis_: show me the power! | 07:16 |
| Treenaks | mdz: hm, 2.6.12 can load modules again? | 07:16 |
| lamont | findutils was supposed to break a few things, right Kamion?> | 07:16 |
| lamont | 2.6.12 isn't doing abi versioning right now, afaik | 07:17 |
| daniels | tseng: mirror kick is still running | 07:17 |
| daniels | xlib's locale support has defeated me for tonight; g'night | 07:17 |
| daniels | lamont: correct | 07:17 |
| tseng | bye daniels. | 07:17 |
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| luis_ | <blink> | 07:18 |
| luis_ | computer is back? | 07:18 |
| Amaranth | hmm | 07:18 |
| Amaranth | if a GNOME release slips does Ubuntu's release slip too? | 07:18 |
| mdz | Treenaks: I don't know what you mean, it has always loaded modules | 07:18 |
| mdz | the ABI changes without warning, though, so you need to reboot after upgrading it | 07:18 |
| Kamion | lamont: haven't noticed anything *break* yet ... | 07:19 |
| mdz | Amaranth: possibly | 07:20 |
| lamont | I thought he mentioned a dh_something that broke | 07:20 |
| Kamion | that would be fun | 07:21 |
| mdz | mvo: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99upgrade-notifier: FAILED open or read | 07:21 |
| Treenaks | mdz: yes, on my last reboot it wouldn't work anymore | 07:22 |
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| mdz | working fine here | 07:22 |
| Treenaks | mdz: no PCI stuff anymore, empty lsmod output etc. | 07:22 |
| dieman | crazy. one of my users had a bug with matlab on ubuntu and the techsupport didn't do the 'your not running redhat!' response :) | 07:23 |
| dieman | (64bit even) | 07:23 |
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| Mez | god... gnupg takes a long time to compile | 07:24 |
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| mvo | mdz: when did you got that message? | 07:24 |
| mvo | mdz: oh, I see | 07:24 |
| mdz | mvo: during my most recent upgrade | 07:26 |
| infinity | lamont : I think you have to define a handler for each signal individually, like signal.signal(signal.SIGINT, handler_foo) | 07:29 |
| infinity | lamont : But you can use the same handler for all, just just have to set them individually (in a loop or something, whatever, be creative) | 07:29 |
| Mithrandir | dieman: amd64++ :-) | 07:30 |
| tseng | Mithrandir++ | 07:30 |
| Mithrandir | *blush* | 07:30 |
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| mvo | mdz: it looks like dpkg prints it udring unpack ... | 07:34 |
| mdz | mvo: oh, interesting | 07:35 |
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| mvo | mdz: but I haven't figured out more yet :/ | 07:35 |
| mvo | mdz: the message itself comes from md5sum, might be a bug in the conffile code of dpkg | 07:37 |
| mdz | mvo: oh, dpkg started using coreutils md5sum instead of its own | 07:38 |
| mvo | mdz: looking over the strace output it seems to use the systems tar now too | 07:39 |
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| lamont | Kamion: you around still? | 07:58 |
| Kamion | lamont: yes | 07:59 |
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| Kamion | hooray, base-config all checked into arch | 08:00 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion++ | 08:00 |
| Mithrandir | you rock. | 08:00 |
| Mithrandir | (as usual :-) | 08:00 |
| mdz | Kamion: saw your patch for doc-base; are you doing bootclean.sh as well? | 08:02 |
| mdz | Kamion: re: base-config, yay! | 08:02 |
| Kamion | mdz: hadn't noticed bootclean.sh, although I saw something fly by in the boot process; sure, I'll do that | 08:04 |
| Kamion | (colin.watson@canonical.com--2005/base-config--ubuntu--0) | 08:04 |
| mdz | Kamion: do we have all the history from svn? | 08:05 |
| Kamion | yes | 08:05 |
| mdz | ROCK | 08:05 |
| Mithrandir | whoa | 08:05 |
| Mithrandir | that's good | 08:05 |
| Kamion | Author: joeyh | 08:05 |
| Kamion | Date: 2000-01-06 20:57:52 GMT | 08:05 |
| Kamion | Initial checkin. | 08:05 |
| mdz | lifeless: congratulations | 08:05 |
| Kamion | through to patch-1171 | 08:05 |
| mdz | are you using hct, or doing it by hand? | 08:06 |
| Kamion | and I merged everything by diffing against a source package, and applying diffs one by one in piecewise fashion, so I know the final result is OK | 08:06 |
| Kamion | I haven't checked previous revisions | 08:06 |
| Kamion | mdz: using baz for the moment | 08:06 |
| mdz | did you break down the Ubuntu changes into branches? | 08:07 |
| Kamion | no ... | 08:07 |
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| Kamion | just into patch-per-feature | 08:08 |
| Kamion | it was too hard to work out what depended on what else, with that amount of stuff | 08:08 |
| mez | ahh :D | 08:08 |
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| Kamion | mdz: sysvinit fixed; patch was already in the Debian BTS | 08:15 |
| Kamion | (although I reinvented it byte-for-byte identical before noticing that) | 08:16 |
| Kamion | night all | 08:16 |
| mvo | night Kamion | 08:16 |
| mdz | Kamion: night | 08:16 |
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| sabdfl | night kamion | 08:25 |
| sabdfl | really glad the import process is underway properly | 08:25 |
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| mdz | doko: should we just drop the dependency from xerces-j now? | 08:28 |
| KaiL | stupid ATI driver :( | 08:28 |
| mez | :P @ Kail :d | 08:28 |
| mdz | I mean libxml-commons-resolvel1.1-java | 08:28 |
| KaiL | has nobody ever told them, that there are People, who have Laptops? | 08:28 |
| KaiL | and that those can't get linux drivers from the laptop vendor (as their excuse for windows is..) | 08:29 |
| doko | mdz: yes, I'm currently preparaing an upload | 08:30 |
| KaiL | not to mention, that these laptop vendors can also get no S3 compatible drivers :/ | 08:31 |
| mdz | doko: oh, ok. I was just looking at it and it seems to build OK with java-gcj/ecj | 08:31 |
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| mdz | so we can change that at the same time | 08:32 |
| doko | exactly | 08:32 |
| mdz | doko: unfortunately it seems we have more packages still using kaffe which need fixing | 08:33 |
| mdz | http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/germinate-output/breezy/rdepends/kaffe/kaffe | 08:33 |
| mdz | with this java stuff it always seems that we are nearing the end, but we never quite reach it :-) | 08:34 |
| doko | hmm, yes, looks like a longer evening ... | 08:35 |
| Lathiat | hmm, esd sounds like ass with dmix stuff in ubuntu but polypaudio is good | 08:40 |
| Lathiat | yet ive had esd working with dmix stuff fine before *humm* | 08:40 |
| mez | hmm | 08:41 |
| mez | if packages for breezy dont depend on a verison of any of it's depends, as long as all those depends exist in hoary, at some version, it can be used in hoary right? | 08:41 |
| mez | no I'm being an idiot | 08:42 |
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| dabishop | has anyone had luck installing Haory on an iMac G5? | 09:06 |
| sladen | dabishop: I believe it 'just works' | 09:07 |
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| mdz | there are some bug reports in bugzilla | 09:13 |
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| mdz | elmo: us.archive seems to be in some distress (again?) | 09:39 |
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| mdz | it's giving lots of 404s | 09:43 |
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| mdz | Kamion: breezy-live-amd64.iso came surprisingly close to working | 10:00 |
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| Mez | can i be botehred to install a breezy pbuild | 10:10 |
| mdz | infinity: when you return, please see if you can help me explain this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/libd/libdate-manip-perl/5.44-1/libdate-manip-perl_5.44-1_20050608-2019-i386-successful.gz | 10:13 |
| mdz | infinity: the .deb ends up missing everything but the stuff installed by debhelper; building it locally works | 10:14 |
| mdz | infinity: the build log indicates that it is installing to debian/tmp for some reason, though the command line clearly points to debian/libdate-manip-perl | 10:14 |
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| katoc | hi!! i need to add packages to installation cd | 10:17 |
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| \sh | hmmm..postgresql 7.5.4 is not in the archives :( | 10:21 |
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| ska-fan | 7.4.5? | 10:23 |
| ska-fan | There is no 7.5 | 10:23 |
| \sh | Package: postgresql | 10:24 |
| \sh | Binary: postgresql-contrib, postgresql-client, postgresql-doc, postgresql, postgresql-dev | 10:24 |
| \sh | Version: 7.5.4 | 10:24 |
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| ska-fan | There is no postgresql 7.5: http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/source/ | 10:26 |
| ska-fan | That must be a typo. But then again, who knows, maybe not. | 10:26 |
| lamont | mdz: neato. | 10:26 |
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| lamont | mdz: current breezy in your build environment? | 10:30 |
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| Loki|muh | hi | 10:35 |
| Loki|muh | I want to compile php4-mysql on my own because of segfaults corresponding to another package not in ubuntu. how can I do this without compiling all php? | 10:35 |
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| mdz | lamont: yes | 10:46 |
| infinity | Yeah, works smashingly on an up to date system here. Interesting. | 10:46 |
| infinity | More to the point, I'm not entirely sure where it's pulling debian/tmp from. Hrm. | 10:48 |
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| {Seb} | hi all | 10:51 |
| {Seb} | any ideas when colony 2 will be released? | 10:52 |
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| mdz | {Seb}: it isn't scheduled yet; I expect we'll release one sometime after the live CD is back in working condition | 10:53 |
| lamont | infinity: next try it with pkgstriptranslations turned on, and then gcc-opt | 10:53 |
| {Seb} | i'm thinking of moving back to ubuntu from SUSE | 10:53 |
| {Seb} | the only thing is that the kernel in Hoary ain't inotified | 10:53 |
| {Seb} | two questions about breezy | 10:54 |
| {Seb} | 1. will there be better bluetooth support? | 10:54 |
| {Seb} | 2. will gnome 2.12 be included? | 10:54 |
| {Seb} | 3. will the kernel be inotified | 10:54 |
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| JanC | gnome 2.12 should be AFAIK | 10:55 |
| {Seb} | and also, what is the GNOME 10x10 thing i keep seeing everywhere | 10:55 |
| infinity | lamont : Just tried it in a live chroot, same results. | 10:56 |
| \sh | 10% of all Desktop Installations in 2010 | 10:56 |
| {Seb} | now that's a goal | 10:56 |
| JanC | http://live.gnome.org/10x10 | 10:56 |
| lamont | live chroot? == build-breezy-live/chroot-breezy? | 10:56 |
| \sh | The Opposite of 90% of all Desktop Installation in 20010 | 10:56 |
| {Seb} | doesn't linux in general only have about 1%? | 10:56 |
| azeem | there's a song by a german pop group which goes 'Meine Zeit wird kommen im Jahre 2010' | 10:56 |
| infinity | lamont : No, as in "a real live buildd chroot". | 10:57 |
| azeem | sounds like the appropriate soundtrack for GNOME | 10:57 |
| infinity | lamont : build-breezy/chroot-breezy, on the buildd in question. Built fine. | 10:57 |
| infinity | lamont : How's that irritate you? | 10:57 |
| {Seb} | i'm going to format my machine and move back to hoary | 10:58 |
| doko | infinity, lamont: please kick sablotron to the buildd's again. a fixed cdbs is in the archives | 10:58 |
| {Seb} | when colony 2 is released, i'll probally go up to breezy | 10:58 |
| {Seb} | thanks gang | 10:58 |
| {Seb} | bye all | 10:58 |
| JanC | azeem : it's a good song ? :) | 10:59 |
| infinity | doko : On it. | 10:59 |
| mdz | {Seb}: the kernel in hoary does in fact have inotify, it's just disabled by default | 10:59 |
| {Seb} | an old version though | 10:59 |
| {Seb} | i'll talk again | 10:59 |
| azeem | it rocks somewhat at least | 10:59 |
| azeem | I like it | 10:59 |
| {Seb} | once i've formated and back on ubuntu | 10:59 |
| lamont | infinity: time to try it again on the actual buildd where it failed, eh? | 10:59 |
| JanC | what band is this ? | 10:59 |
| mdz | it was the latest version available at the time that Hoary released | 10:59 |
| azeem | Echt | 11:00 |
| JanC | yeah, just found it | 11:00 |
| mdz | /usr/bin/ld: warning: libstdc++.so.5, needed by /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so, may conflict with libstdc++.so.6 | 11:00 |
| infinity | lamont : That was on the buildd it failed on. :/ | 11:00 |
| mdz | ^^ that's not a big deal, right? because libstdc++ has versioned symbols? | 11:01 |
| infinity | lamont : The only thing left is to do a build in REDO, but it should be identical to the by-hand build I just did. | 11:01 |
| infinity | (will do anyway, for kicks) | 11:01 |
| infinity | doko : kicked, BTW. | 11:01 |
| doko | mdz: do you still b-d against xlibmesa-glu? | 11:02 |
| doko | infinity: thanks | 11:02 |
| mdz | doko: this is a package I am trying to make buildable on both hoary and breezy | 11:02 |
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| mdz | and was building on hoary | 11:02 |
| lamont | mdz: buildd's will take first installable one (which _is_ diff than debian), so you could Build-Depend <breezy-pkg>|<hoary-pkg> where breezy's package doesn't exist in hoary | 11:04 |
| mdz | the resulting package seems to work | 11:04 |
| mdz | lamont: the trick is, it doesn't build with gcc-4.0 yet | 11:04 |
| mdz | so I force it to 3.4 | 11:04 |
| mdz | which means the new ABI, both in hoary and breezy | 11:04 |
| lamont | ah, neato | 11:05 |
| doko | is this myth? | 11:05 |
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| mdz | yes | 11:05 |
| Mez | mdz, if only that could be done in EVERYTHING until the transition was done proplery :D | 11:05 |
| lamont | Mez: that just forces the transition | 11:05 |
| mdz | it would be preferably to build with default gcc in hoary, I think | 11:05 |
| mdz | preferable, even | 11:05 |
| mdz | but that's non-trivial | 11:05 |
| lamont | mdz: almost certainly | 11:05 |
| doko | mdz: there are some apps in hoary/universe which may break ... | 11:05 |
| Mez | :P | 11:05 |
| infinity | Meh. | 11:07 |
| lamont | does archive.u.c/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security accurately track security.u.c? | 11:07 |
| \sh | X11/Xlib.h issue fixed in xorg -23? | 11:07 |
| infinity | lamont, mdz : It's either a heisenbug, or a transient bug that's since been fixed in some build-dep or other. An automated rety on the same buildd also built the package properly. | 11:07 |
| doko | \sh, no, look at the changelog ... | 11:08 |
| \sh | doko: yeah...i was missing this entry | 11:08 |
| mdz | infinity: that's _disturbing_ | 11:08 |
| infinity | mdz : Tell me about it. | 11:08 |
| mdz | infinity: if you could make a new source upload and check that it builds properly, that'd be great | 11:09 |
| \sh | doko: I've uploaded most of the stuff from Unfrgiven now all the things are missing concerning xorg issue...and ocaml.:( | 11:09 |
| infinity | Will do. | 11:09 |
| doko | daniels: any estimates, when xorg headers will be in the final place? | 11:10 |
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| doko | Kamion, mdz: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/germinate-output/breezy/rdepends/kaffe/kaffe lists the alternatives as well, where kaffe is not the first alternative. so it lists a bit too much | 11:12 |
| mdz | doko: ok, I'll re-germinate and see what happens | 11:13 |
| mako | dholbach, tseng: dudes | 11:13 |
| dholbach | mako: ? | 11:13 |
| tseng | mako: dude. | 11:14 |
| \sh | duderenos? | 11:14 |
| mako | dholbach, tseng: http://mako.cc/outgoing/woman_test.png | 11:14 |
| mako | that's an add i saw once | 11:14 |
| \sh | the big lebowski..yeah...thats it... | 11:14 |
| \sh | wow | 11:15 |
| dholbach | hahaha! :) | 11:15 |
| tseng | mako: nice! | 11:15 |
| \sh | we can use it as "please use beagle to check" | 11:15 |
| mako | i kept it because i thought it untrue | 11:15 |
| mako | because it couldn't be more likely than i think when i knew i had HEAPS of pornography on my computer | 11:15 |
| mdz | doko: xml-crimson still build-depends on kaffe | 11:16 |
| tseng | well if you are a trusting middle age woman | 11:16 |
| tseng | you might not suspect your husband to fill your computer with porn | 11:16 |
| Nafallo | lol | 11:16 |
| tseng | good thing beagle runs as a normal users | 11:16 |
| tseng | *phew* | 11:16 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 11:16 |
| tseng | TAKE THAT HOUSEWIVES | 11:17 |
| \sh | hmm | 11:17 |
| \sh | that reminds me of one of my old customers | 11:17 |
| mako | tseng: if you were married to me, you might | 11:17 |
| mako | and i were married to any man, i would | 11:17 |
| tseng | if you were sitting in your apartment and something was making a terrible buzzing noise for the last several minutes | 11:18 |
| \sh | visit him at home...next day, I got a call of his wife.."Did u install this *censored* p0rn on our homecomputer?" | 11:18 |
| tseng | would you get up and check it? | 11:18 |
| mako | tseng: depends on how long | 11:18 |
| mako | tseng: i would wait a few minuteds | 11:18 |
| tseng | i think I will too. | 11:18 |
| Nafallo | \sh: pervert | 11:19 |
| Nafallo | ;-) | 11:19 |
| infinity | doko : sablotron is still FTBFS... Trying patch debian/patches/00-relibtoolize.patch at level 0...1...2...failure. | 11:19 |
| \sh | Nafallo: i didn't do anything..it was his p0rn | 11:19 |
| Nafallo | \sh: that's what all those supporterguys say yes ;-) | 11:20 |
| \sh | Nafallo: haha...yeah i know | 11:20 |
| \sh | http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/09/news_6127219.html | 11:20 |
| mako | http://www.sexblo.gs/xxx/pornmath.gif | 11:21 |
| \sh | Nafallo: this morning my colleague came to me, saw some nice chickitas on my desktop...and asked "where r ur pr0n movies". i said: not on this company laptop...*paus* they're at home on my portable 500tb usb3 hd" | 11:21 |
| doko | infinity, jbailey: I'm lost ... it builds fine in unstable | 11:21 |
| mako | that is the diagram from a patent for an algorithm that claimed to be able automatically detect porn | 11:22 |
| Nafallo | \sh: hehe :-) | 11:22 |
| mako | the picture of the naked women with (a) no nipples and (b) high-heals that appear to be part of her body is great | 11:22 |
| \sh | http://kurioses.blogweb.de/archives/8-Sucht-jemand-Kontakt.html <- this will prevent pr0n at all | 11:23 |
| mako | it's amazing how much that math *doesn't* work | 11:24 |
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| tseng | oh wow | 11:24 |
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| \sh | ah... | 11:24 |
| chol | hi, is there any newer xorg debs than 6.8.2 availible? | 11:24 |
| tseng | chol: the ones we have arent broken enough for your tastes? | 11:25 |
| \sh | some of my colleagues wanted to known, to whom those jdub asses belonging ;) | 11:25 |
| tseng | chol: because daniels will be awake again in a few hours | 11:25 |
| jbailey | doko: Which package, sorry? | 11:25 |
| chol | tseng, hehe, i've only found one thing that annoys me so far | 11:25 |
| tseng | mako: so the beagle firefox plugin.. you can turn it off for porn sites | 11:26 |
| tseng | mako: handy. | 11:26 |
| chol | tseng, since my fastest ubuntu is 600mhz atm i'm not so keen on compiling | 11:26 |
| chol | tseng, i'll get back later and ask daniels then, thanks | 11:26 |
| doko | jbailey: sablotron | 11:26 |
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| Nafallo | tseng: beagle-firefox-what? :-) | 11:27 |
| Nafallo | tseng: where can I get that thing? :-) | 11:27 |
| tseng | Nafallo: sshhh | 11:27 |
| \sh | mono-gnome-marriage | 11:27 |
| \sh | gnome# | 11:27 |
| tseng | read the beagle wiki. | 11:27 |
| Nafallo | tseng: oki | 11:27 |
| mako | tseng: i could have used that when i was 16 years old | 11:28 |
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| \sh | so if this is becoming the truth, then I understand why balmer and szulik ate together the last time | 11:28 |
| jbailey | Feh. Stupid mirror Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/sablotron/sablotron_1.0.2-4ubuntu1.diff.gz MD5Sum mismatch | 11:28 |
| Amaranth | us is having issues, isn't it? | 11:29 |
| tseng | us mirror always has issues | 11:29 |
| Amaranth | that's what someone was saying eariler | 11:29 |
| Amaranth | i wish i could spell | 11:29 |
| Amaranth | i blame being awake 25 hours | 11:29 |
| jbailey | Amaranth: Right. ca. points to us. | 11:30 |
| LinuxJones | \sh, why is that... sorry I just joined ? | 11:30 |
| \sh | LinuxJones: what? | 11:30 |
| jbailey | doko: You're getting a failure on relibtoolise applying? | 11:31 |
| infinity | jbailey : Yup. | 11:31 |
| LinuxJones | \sh, about Ballmer and Szulik having lunch | 11:32 |
| \sh | LinuxJones: u mean "balmer and szulik eating together"? | 11:32 |
| LinuxJones | :) | 11:32 |
| jbailey | infinity: Aren't you supposed to be asleep? | 11:32 |
| jbailey | doko: Looks like a bad clean pass happened at some point. Want me to fix and upload? | 11:33 |
| \sh | LinuxJones: w8...i will give u some infos | 11:34 |
| LinuxJones | \sh, ok | 11:34 |
| infinity | jbailey : Haven't slept yet. Fully plan to very soon. | 11:35 |
| \sh | LinuxJones: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1823449,00.asp | 11:35 |
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| doko | jbailey: yes, if you have the sources already on your disk | 11:40 |
| jbailey | Yup, I've got it here and tested the build. | 11:40 |
| jbailey | The libtoolise patch is a bit confused. | 11:40 |
| Nafallo | tseng: damn. this is kewl! :-) | 11:41 |
| doko | ouch, found a fastjar bug ... | 11:42 |
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| Mithrandir | ogra: how's bergen? | 11:46 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, GRR | 11:46 |
| ogra | i'm stuck in amsterdam | 11:47 |
| ogra | sitting in the ibis hotel... KLM fucked up all fligh plans... | 11:47 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: ew :( | 11:47 |
| Mithrandir | that sucks. | 11:47 |
| Mithrandir | like, royally. | 11:47 |
| ogra | absolutely... | 11:47 |
| infinity | mdz : New source upload built fine. I'm off to bed, finally. | 11:48 |
| mdz | infinity: night | 11:48 |
| ogra | i missed my filght at 12 because of a accident on the motorway (was stuck about an hour)..... | 11:48 |
| ogra | so i rebooked to the next flight at 5pm | 11:48 |
| ogra | nicely they delayed this one for over an hour, just after i checked in | 11:49 |
| ogra | when i arrived here, i could just see the flight to bergen leaving | 11:49 |
| mvo | hey ogra | 11:50 |
| ogra | the only funny thing is, that the captain told us _why_ actually the filght was delayed.... | 11:51 |
| ogra | on the 12:00 flight (where i was supposed to be on) they had a engine breakdown... (it was the same plane).....which they "fixed quickly" (his words) | 11:52 |
| ogra | btw, it was a 50ppl plane with propellers :) | 11:52 |
| ogra | hey mvo | 11:52 |
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| jbailey | doko: Done, I'll check on it when I get back from the gym. | 11:55 |
| doko | jbailey: stop! | 11:57 |
| jbailey | doko: Err.. I've already dput'd. | 11:58 |
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| doko | jbailey: no, does liblog4j-java look ok? | 11:59 |
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