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mdkeat the meeting01:33
mdkewe need to establish a new process for when to grant svn access rights01:33
mdkewhen/how01:33
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mdkehey judax 02:00
judaxHui02:00
judaxerr Hi02:00
mdke*laughs*02:00
mdke<-- matt02:00
mdkenice to meet ya02:00
judaxnice to meet you too02:00
mdkethanks for your patches02:00
judaxno problem, I have another on the way in a minute02:00
mdkewicked02:00
judaxthis time with content02:00
mdkegreat stuff02:01
judaxalso, beginning to work on the 'Connecting a Printer' section, but have a question02:01
judaxthx02:01
mdkeshoot02:01
mdkeif i can help, i will02:01
judaxI know we don't want to get to down and dirty in the quickguide on printer config, but I think it does need a screen or two02:01
mdkebasically, the quickguide should describe the various programs available in the menu i think02:02
judaxcan I just send screens to the list? with the dir structure?02:02
mdkehmm02:02
mdkei guess they can be big?02:02
mdkeif they are >40k they won't get through to the list without moderation02:03
judaxscreens now in kde images are bout 80k02:03
mdkemaybe either email to one of us individually, or leave em somewhere02:03
judaxok, will do that02:04
judaxam I screwing anything up with the patches I sent; any advice?02:04
mdkethey were great02:05
mdkei changed two things i think02:05
mdkevise verse -> vice versa ;)02:05
judaxok, I am far from a docbook expert, so..02:05
mdkeoh docbook wise they were great i think02:05
judaxah02:06
judaxgood02:06
mdkeone of the docs was a bit screwed02:06
mdkenot by you tho02:06
mdkechapter two was missing or something02:06
judaxoh, ok02:06
judaxyou ever used XMLMind XML editor?02:06
mdkeno02:07
mdkegood?02:07
mdkei'm a bit of an xml beginner too btw02:07
judaxyeah, I think it is good, does gui docbook creation, but I have not used it to edit anything yet02:07
judaxdon't trust it yet02:07
mdkei might investigate02:08
mdkesounds cool02:08
judaxyes, they have a free version which is pretty full featured02:08
judaxit is java based02:08
judaxbut fairly responsive....once loaded :)02:08
judaxit displays our docs great02:09
judaxbut there are some strange things I don't understand yet02:09
mdkewill check it tomorrow02:09
mdkebookmarked02:09
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judaxit will complain about entities like &copyright and say if you edit the file it will replace it with the acutal referenced content02:10
judaxhehe02:10
mdkeBurgundavia, java gentoo MOIN GENTOO JAVA02:10
judaxbut &publisher it loves and protects that, so I dont know what is happening but like I said, not an expert02:10
Burgundaviamdke, huh?02:10
mdkeBurgundavia, just trying to make ya cringe02:11
Burgundaviaoh02:11
Burgundaviayou needed a windows in there too02:11
mdkewindows MW02:11
mdkeME02:11
judaxjust sent another patch to the list02:15
mdkechecking02:15
mdkethanks man02:15
judaxnp02:16
mdkeblooming hell02:17
mdkethe kquickguide doesn't validate02:18
mdkenothing to do with your patch02:18
mdkemaybe the earlier patches i did? or was it not validating before?02:18
judaxsorry, phone call02:20
judaxyes I saw it didn't validate02:20
mdkek02:20
mdkewas it never validating?02:20
judaxit is complaining about the listitems around the ulinks02:20
judaxI have been validating it, but I didn't want to touch that since it was prob in the patch a few days ago that modified those links02:20
mdkeas long as I haven't caused that02:21
mdkemake sure you bug jsgotango about it02:21
judaxI looked at those few lines and they looked ok, but I have not played with it too much02:22
mdkeok committed your patch02:25
mdkethanks a lot!02:25
mdkeok i'm done02:26
mdkebed time02:26
judaxsleep well02:28
judaxI will poke around that file and see if I can figure out why it is not validating02:28
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jsgotangcohmmm03:17
judaxhello03:17
jsgotangcohello03:18
jsgotangcook now i am quite lost with these kquickguide patches03:41
jsgotangcohrmm03:41
judaxit not validating was before all of my patches, but I believe I have fixed it not validating03:58
judaxI sent a patch that should make it happy not too long ago, hour maybe03:58
jsgotangcoGreg?04:01
jsgotangcoor Troy04:01
judaxyes04:04
jsgotangcook i will apply that patch after i finish this04:04
judaxok, that should make it all better04:04
jsgotangcoi need to make a progress chart after that and even fix the references to the images04:04
judaxok04:05
judaxif there is anything I can do to help, let me know04:09
jsgotangcoi have to make entitiy references to you contributors as well04:13
jsgotangcoonce we complete this book, i'll recommend you guys for svn access04:13
judaxok, thx04:13
jsgotangcoso make your gpg keys handy04:13
judaxwhere do the keys need to go?04:14
jsgotangcoelmo will use it to send your accounts04:14
judaxkk04:15
jsgotangcook patched05:23
judaxgreat, thx05:29
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hornbeckanyone around?05:57
jsgotangcohey06:00
jsgotangcowow06:00
hornbeckhello06:00
jsgotangcohows it going06:00
hornbeckgood06:00
jsgotangcofirst time i saw you online06:01
jsgotangcoi am jerome06:01
hornbeckdoes plovs or sivang come around anymore?06:01
hornbeckI am John Hornbeck06:01
jsgotangcosivang comes once in a while06:01
jsgotangcoplovs as well06:01
hornbeckwho leads this group now?06:01
jsgotangconobody really, but i'm organizing stuff06:01
hornbeckI need a technical reviewer for a book I am writing about Ubuntu06:01
jsgotangcohmm06:01
jsgotangcosure06:01
hornbeckwhats you last name?06:02
jsgotangcoGotangco06:02
hornbeckwhere you from?06:02
jsgotangcoManila, Philippines06:02
hornbecknice06:02
jsgotangcowe have 3 active people in svn at the moment, me, matthew east and Jeff Schering06:03
hornbeckso, I am doing a book with Apress and they want a reviewer who is involved with the doc team06:03
hornbeckman the whole original team is gone than06:03
jsgotangcoSean just quit but he's helping in the sidelines06:03
hornbeckahh06:03
hornbeckI still read the mailing list06:03
jsgotangcoEnrico comes around every now and then06:03
jsgotangcoyeah06:04
jsgotangcoit was a bit of a flame war a while back06:04
jsgotangcobut we're fixing that06:04
hornbeckyeah, I left right when things started falling apart06:04
hornbeckthe original svn was in my house06:04
jsgotangcoyeah i was told about that06:05
hornbeckoh really06:05
hornbeckI figured I was forgotten06:05
jsgotangcohah no not really06:05
jsgotangcoi just came in when the original crew is almost gone06:05
hornbecknice, at least you don't think I am a newbie writing a book06:05
jsgotangcohave you started writing it already?06:06
hornbeckyeah, first three chapters are about done06:06
hornbeckI already have everything in place06:06
hornbeckit is being released through Apress 06:06
hornbeckI think I said that already06:06
jsgotangcothat's nice would it come out in time for breezy?06:06
hornbeckno, it is scheduled for January06:07
jsgotangcowhats the intended audience?06:07
hornbeckbeginning Linux06:07
hornbeckApress has a book "Beginning Suse: From Novice to Professional"06:08
hornbeckI am writing "Beginning Ubuntu: From Novice to Professinal"06:08
jsgotangcoah so its in that line06:08
hornbeckyeah06:08
hornbeckfrom install to setting it up06:08
hornbeckusing Firefox and OpenOffice06:08
hornbeckEvolution06:09
hornbecksimple stuff06:09
hornbeckbut someone has to check my work06:09
hornbeckthe pay  is 2.75 a page06:09
hornbeckfor the reviewer06:09
hornbeckabout a 500 page book06:09
jsgotangcothat's not so bad06:10
hornbecknope06:10
hornbecklittle of 1000 US dollars for reading a book and telling me what is technically wrong06:10
jsgotangcowhat's the timetable06:10
hornbeckread chapters right when I am done with them06:10
jsgotangcoyou just need 1 reviewer?06:11
hornbeckso from now until December 27th06:11
hornbeckyes 1 reviewer06:11
hornbecksome one reliable06:11
hornbeckI was hoping for plovs as I know him well06:11
jsgotangcoi'm quite free for a while, but i will also inform the other active people involved at the moment06:12
hornbeckif anyone is really interested have them email me06:12
jsgotangcoi'm interested06:12
hornbeckyou should still be able to find a email in the doc list06:12
jsgotangcoi just want to inform the others06:12
hornbeckok, send me a short resume06:12
jsgotangcoyeah no sweat06:12
hornbecksince I don't really know you I at least need to find out about you :-)06:13
jsgotangcono problem06:13
hornbeckhornbeck@gmail.com06:13
jsgotangcoits given06:13
hornbeckwell I am off to write some more06:13
hornbecklater06:13
jsgotangcook see ya06:13
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jsgotangcobrb06:44
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jsgotangcoBurgundavia: hello07:57
Burgundaviasalut07:57
jsgotangcodid you work with hornbeck?07:57
Burgundaviasome07:57
jsgotangcohe was here a while ago, it seems he's writing a book for apress07:57
Burgundaviacool07:58
Burgundaviawhat on?07:58
jsgotangcoUbuntu07:58
jsgotangcobeginners level i think07:58
jsgotangcohe was looking for plovs to offer hime a technical review job but he's inviting anyone insterested07:59
jsgotangcohe says the rate is 2.75/page for a 500 page book07:59
jsgotangcobut said he only needs 1 reviewer from the docteam07:59
Burgundaviacool, I might be interested08:00
jsgotangcome too, its best you contact him though as i would later08:04
jsgotangcook brb08:13
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jsgotangcojdub, will you join the meeting next week?08:31
jdubsure!08:33
jsgotangcookay08:34
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jsgotangcowow Burgundavia is in p.u.c!09:10
kassetra*snicker*09:38
Burgundaviaguess I need a hackergotchi thingy eh?10:03
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kassetraLOL10:07
kassetraI want my own hackergotchi to love and feed and pet and play with too!10:07
kassetraOh wait, that's a tamagotchi...10:07
Burgundaviarofl10:10
jsgotangcoBurgundavia: are you still interested in docs or would rather do UI now?10:11
BurgundaviaI still think about docs10:11
BurgundaviaI just don't write very much10:11
jsgotangcobecause of the svn account?10:12
Burgundaviayah10:13
BurgundaviaI am getting my key signed next tuesday10:13
Burgundaviawhich should prompt me into doing the whole thing again10:13
jsgotangcoright patches can be a chore10:13
kassetraBurgundavia: are you on the west coast or east coast?10:14
Burgundaviakassetra, west coast10:14
Burgundaviacan10:14
Burgundavia't go much farther west10:14
kassetraWashington?  Oregon?10:14
BurgundaviaI live right here10:15
Burgundaviahttp://maps.google.ca/maps?q=bethune&sll=48.450684,-123.367131&sspn=0.020752,0.039312&hl=en10:15
Burgundaviaat the A10:15
jsgotangco?11:01
Burgundaviazoom out to see more11:03
jsgotangcoim surprised you are still awake11:06
Burgundaviaof course11:06
Burgundaviamy sleep schedule is throughly messed11:06
mdkemorn11:18
Burgundaviamorn11:19
mdkey011:20
mdkegood work today jsgotangco 11:20
jsgotangcocan i have a cookie11:22
jsgotangcomdke: can i make a request11:22
=== kassetra gives jsgotangco a cookie.
jsgotangconice11:22
mdkejsgotangco, sure wassup?11:23
mdkedid i do something wrong?11:23
jsgotangcomdke: if you don't mind, i'd like to do the patches of kquickguide for now, its almost done already11:24
jsgotangcono no11:24
jsgotangcoi just got confused with my versions11:24
jsgotangcohehe11:24
mdkeok11:24
jsgotangcoi just slept for a few hours and when i woke up, it had 3 patches already, which is good11:24
mdkethey were mostly just corrections yesterday11:24
jsgotangcoyeah11:24
jsgotangcobut its getting done!11:24
jsgotangcowhich is good!11:24
mdkebut i would prefer it if you wanna commit kde patches11:25
jsgotangcono just for the meantime11:25
jsgotangcothey were enthusiastic about it11:25
mdkeyep11:25
mdkethey need commit access asap imho11:26
jsgotangcolet's make them finish the book first11:26
jsgotangcoits almost done anyway11:26
mdkeok, if you're happy to check their patches ;)11:26
jsgotangcohmm11:26
jsgotangcoyeah i'll check their patches11:26
jsgotangcobtw11:26
jsgotangcohorbeck went in today11:26
jsgotangcohornbeck11:26
jsgotangcoit seems he's writing a book for APress11:27
mdke"went in"?11:27
jsgotangcoonline11:27
mdkeah11:27
jsgotangco"he went online and came in this room"11:27
jsgotangcoanyway11:28
jsgotangcohe was looking for plovs11:28
jsgotangcoor any current team member11:28
jsgotangcohe said he needs a technical reviewer11:28
jsgotangcofor the book11:28
jsgotangcobecause APress wanted someone from the current docteam11:28
mdkei c11:28
jsgotangcobut only 1 guy11:28
mdkeBurgundavia, to reply to your post "Re: User guide", i think the answer is no.11:29
mdkejsgotangco, right11:29
mdkejsgotangco, was anyone up for it?11:29
jsgotangcohe said its $2.75 per page for 500 pages11:29
jsgotangcoi said i was interested, but i told him as well that i will inform the others for fair play11:29
Burgundaviahmm11:30
Burgundaviadamn11:30
=== Burgundavia has little interest in doing it
jsgotangcowhy not?11:30
BurgundaviaI hate our wiki11:30
Burgundaviaand uploading pictures to it is a pain11:30
jsgotangcowhat does it have to do with our current discussion?11:31
mdkeBurgundavia, its a lot of work converting that to the wiki11:31
mdkejsgotangco, we're having 2 discussions11:31
jsgotangcoahh11:31
jsgotangcolet me check that11:31
=== Burgundavia is the one that is up at 2:31 am
jsgotangcooh i see11:31
jsgotangcono11:31
jsgotangcoheh11:31
mdkejsgotangco, is a technical reviewer supposed to be an expert in linux, or an expert in english? i guess the former, but i'm not sure11:31
kassetramdke: typically, both.11:32
jsgotangcowell its a beginner's book i guess hornbeck and APress wants someone authoritative to review per chapter11:32
mdkeright11:32
jsgotangcoat least with regards to docs, we're the authority at the moment11:33
kassetrayou could also just have one person per chapter to review it - in order to keep from burning a single person out.11:33
mdkein what way?11:33
jsgotangcoubuntu docs11:34
jsgotangcoi mean11:34
mdkewe're a volunteer group11:34
jsgotangcotrue11:34
jsgotangcobut our work is the one published11:34
=== jsgotangco wonders if APress is the publisher that froud and sivang was talking about
mdkewell i don't feel we have greater expertise than a lot of people, but no reason why you shouldn't get involved if you like11:34
jsgotangcomdke: i doubt my capability as well, that's why i tell it to erveryone who comes in because i was the only guy that hornbeck got to catch11:35
mdkei'm not doubting you!11:36
jsgotangcowhile the money is good IMO, i'm interested more in the experience11:36
jsgotangco(its not like you're going to do it for 8 hours a day)11:36
mdketrue11:36
jsgotangcofroud has taught me a lot for sure11:36
jsgotangcoanyway is anyone familiar with svn on deleting files11:38
mdkesvn delete11:39
jsgotangcoumm11:39
jsgotangcoi know that11:39
jsgotangcoheh11:39
mdkeor del rm etc11:39
jsgotangcoi mean11:39
jsgotangcoi seem to still have it somewhere in my svn11:39
jsgotangco(the files)11:39
jsgotangcodid you svn up already?11:40
mdkeno11:40
jsgotangcodoes svn delete also involve deleting the files which i did in working copy?11:40
mdkei don't get ya11:40
mdkeyou just do svn delete filename11:40
jsgotangcowell i did delete the files11:40
mdkethen do svn status, you'll see what's happened11:41
jsgotangcoyes its says D11:41
mdkeok11:41
jsgotangcodoes that mean its also deleted in trunk?11:41
jsgotangconot jsut from my working copy?11:41
mdkewhen you commit11:42
mdkeD  kde/images/C/kubuntu-kinfocenter.png11:42
mdkeD  kde/images/C/kubuntu-ksysguard.png11:42
jsgotangcohmm i am too reliant on esvn11:42
mdkeD  kde/images/C/kubuntu-kcron.png11:42
jsgotangco?11:42
jsgotangconooooo11:42
jsgotangconot those11:42
mdkethose are some that have been deleted and replaced with new ones11:43
mdkei'm just doing svn up11:43
jsgotangcoahh11:43
jsgotangcoi deleted those starting with kde-*11:43
jsgotangcoand replaced them with kubuntu_*11:43
jsgotangcokubuntu-*11:43
jsgotangcomdke: shouldn't we change the &distro-version; to 5.10 now?11:45
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mdkesure11:46
mdkeare you running breezy now?11:47
mdkehow is it?11:47
Burgundavianautilus doesn't work right now11:47
jsgotangcoyeah11:47
Burgundaviaotherwise is fine11:47
mdkehave they released colony 2 yet?11:48
jsgotangconot yet11:48
jsgotangcothat would be nice on a laptop11:48
jsgotangcoheh11:48
mdkeyeah11:48
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jsgotangcomdke: in other news, Burgundavia is now in planet11:48
mdkecool11:48
mdkemy key still isn't properly signed11:48
Burgundavianor is mine11:49
jsgotangcoit doesn't connect11:49
mdkeoh11:49
mdkei thought you had to have a trusted key to be a member11:49
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mdkeoh planet has a nice new interface11:50
BurgundaviaI am currently a member, but I haven't signed my CoC yet, due to my key not being trusted11:50
jsgotangcoyou didnt sign keys in mataro?11:51
mdkesame here11:51
jsgotangcooh right, that key was lost11:51
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mdkebut iirc membership requires the signed CoC11:51
mdkeoh well11:51
mdkeanyway cool that you're in planet11:51
jsgotangcoi signed my CoC but i don't see any difference to what i do now11:51
Burgundaviathe conversation was quite funny11:51
BurgundaviaI told jdub about a crazy idea11:52
Burgundaviaand then he told me to blog about it11:52
Burgundaviaso I created a blog and did11:52
mdkethen he resolved it ;)11:52
mdkei need to get my key trusted :/11:52
mdkehenrik signed it, but it seems his isn't either ;)11:52
jsgotangcoheh11:53
Burgundaviagoing to my lug this tuesday11:53
BurgundaviaI hope to get my key signed by lots11:53
mdkecool11:53
jsgotangcohmm i think my key is signed by 70 people, most of them from UDU11:53
jsgotangcoother than that, nada11:53
mdkewell your key is trusted for sure11:53
Burgundaviabut UDU basically plugs you directly into Gnome and Debian11:53
jsgotangcoi still don't understand the trusted paths11:54
jsgotangcodholbach signed my key twice11:54
mdkeomg11:55
jsgotangco?11:55
mdkei just did a --refresh-keys11:55
jsgotangcoand?11:55
mdkegot this: http://pastebin.ca/1388211:55
=== Burgundavia doesn't really understand gpg yet
jsgotangcomdke: well it means those keys are not in that keyserver, why dont you try another like pgp.mit.edu11:56
mdkejsgotangco, all keyservers synch with eachother11:57
=== jsgotangco wonders what's with the huge kubuntu update
mdkemust be a dud keyserver11:57
Burgundaviajsgotangco, kde ships everything as large source packages11:57
jsgotangcomost likely11:57
mdkei just use that one because its port:8011:57
jsgotangcofor some reason i'm beginning to like kde again11:57
mdkei have a lot of problems with hkp://11:58
mdkestuff just times out11:58
jsgotangcoare you using enigmail?11:59
mdkeno11:59
mdkei use gnupg11:59
mdke:p11:59
jsgotangcoahh you like it hard11:59
mdkenot really11:59
jsgotangcohmmm11:59
jsgotangcoopenssh-server in kubuntu update?11:59
jsgotangcook i'll just see what's new here12:01
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mdkewb12:10
jsgotangcomdke, what did you text froud?12:12
mdkewas a couple of days ago12:12
mdkei said something like, sorry to hear, i'll be online today if you wanna chat12:12
mdkewhy?12:13
jsgotangcooh nothing we had a long chat about it actually12:14
mdkeabout my text?12:14
jsgotangcono12:14
mdkephew12:14
jsgotangcoi think before you texted him12:14
jsgotangcoheh12:14
jsgotangcohe went online for a short while12:14
jsgotangcoand we chatted and he left12:14
mdkeok12:15
jsgotangcoi wonder if he still checks out svn12:15
mdkeask him12:15
jsgotangcoi dont know his number12:15
jsgotangcoi even lost yours12:15
jsgotangcogive it to me in pm12:15
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mdkehome/mobile?12:16
jsgotangcomobile, i use GSM12:16
mdke0785559490212:16
mdkeoh sorry12:16
mdke+44 785559490212:16
jsgotangcook got it12:17
jsgotangcohow about froud?12:17
jsgotangcook thanks12:20
jsgotangcoacck my phone is falling apart12:20
mdke*grins*12:22
jsgotangcoi should save for a new phone12:22
jsgotangcoi still use this brick12:22
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mdkemine is a bit brick like too12:54
mdkei'm just thinking about this hornbeck business12:55
mdkei might be interested in helping out12:55
mdkebut I'm not a linux expert12:55
mdkei've done some linguistic editing in the past12:56
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jsgotangcohmm01:06
jsgotangcowe could do that both and split stuff01:06
jsgotangcoi guess01:06
jsgotangcowhat is there to lose anyway01:07
jsgotangcomdke, well i gotta go ill try to go online this weekend just in case01:11
mdkewhoops01:14
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jjessei forgot how does one get commit access to svn?02:31
mdkejjesse, we don't have a system right now02:32
mdkewe'll discuss it at the meeting02:32
mdkethe idea is, once people do some patches, they'll get access02:32
jjesseok02:33
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jjessemorning enrico03:00
enricohi03:03
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mdkejjesse, good work on the patch, when jsgotango is up he'll commit it :)04:43
jjessethanks mdke04:54
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SquishyWafflewhere was that docteam agenda on the wiki for the upcoming meeting?07:25
mdkeDocteamNextIrcMeeting or something similar07:26
SquishyWaffleah, found it07:26
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