=== SquishyWaffle [~GTaylor@130-127-67-44.lehotsky.clemson.edu] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Kopete] === swe3tdave [~swe3tdave@Toronto-HSE-ppp3761490.sympatico.ca] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:33] at the meeting [01:33] we need to establish a new process for when to grant svn access rights [01:33] when/how === judax [~troy@adsl-68-92-151-184.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:00] hey judax [02:00] Hui [02:00] err Hi [02:00] *laughs* [02:00] <-- matt [02:00] nice to meet ya [02:00] nice to meet you too [02:00] thanks for your patches [02:00] no problem, I have another on the way in a minute [02:00] wicked [02:00] this time with content [02:01] great stuff [02:01] also, beginning to work on the 'Connecting a Printer' section, but have a question [02:01] thx [02:01] shoot [02:01] if i can help, i will [02:01] I know we don't want to get to down and dirty in the quickguide on printer config, but I think it does need a screen or two [02:02] basically, the quickguide should describe the various programs available in the menu i think [02:02] can I just send screens to the list? with the dir structure? [02:02] hmm [02:02] i guess they can be big? [02:03] if they are >40k they won't get through to the list without moderation [02:03] screens now in kde images are bout 80k [02:03] maybe either email to one of us individually, or leave em somewhere [02:04] ok, will do that [02:04] am I screwing anything up with the patches I sent; any advice? [02:05] they were great [02:05] i changed two things i think [02:05] vise verse -> vice versa ;) [02:05] ok, I am far from a docbook expert, so.. [02:05] oh docbook wise they were great i think [02:06] ah [02:06] good [02:06] one of the docs was a bit screwed [02:06] not by you tho [02:06] chapter two was missing or something [02:06] oh, ok [02:06] you ever used XMLMind XML editor? [02:07] no [02:07] good? [02:07] i'm a bit of an xml beginner too btw [02:07] yeah, I think it is good, does gui docbook creation, but I have not used it to edit anything yet [02:07] don't trust it yet [02:08] i might investigate [02:08] sounds cool [02:08] yes, they have a free version which is pretty full featured [02:08] it is java based [02:08] but fairly responsive....once loaded :) [02:09] it displays our docs great [02:09] but there are some strange things I don't understand yet [02:09] will check it tomorrow [02:09] bookmarked === Burgundavia hears the word java and cringes [02:10] it will complain about entities like ©right and say if you edit the file it will replace it with the acutal referenced content [02:10] hehe [02:10] Burgundavia, java gentoo MOIN GENTOO JAVA [02:10] but &publisher it loves and protects that, so I dont know what is happening but like I said, not an expert [02:10] mdke, huh? [02:11] Burgundavia, just trying to make ya cringe [02:11] oh [02:11] you needed a windows in there too [02:11] windows MW [02:11] ME [02:15] just sent another patch to the list [02:15] checking [02:15] thanks man [02:16] np [02:17] blooming hell [02:18] the kquickguide doesn't validate [02:18] nothing to do with your patch [02:18] maybe the earlier patches i did? or was it not validating before? [02:20] sorry, phone call [02:20] yes I saw it didn't validate [02:20] k [02:20] was it never validating? [02:20] it is complaining about the listitems around the ulinks [02:20] I have been validating it, but I didn't want to touch that since it was prob in the patch a few days ago that modified those links [02:21] as long as I haven't caused that [02:21] make sure you bug jsgotango about it [02:22] I looked at those few lines and they looked ok, but I have not played with it too much [02:25] ok committed your patch [02:25] thanks a lot! [02:26] ok i'm done [02:26] bed time [02:28] sleep well [02:28] I will poke around that file and see if I can figure out why it is not validating === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:17] hmmm [03:17] hello [03:18] hello [03:41] ok now i am quite lost with these kquickguide patches [03:41] hrmm [03:58] it not validating was before all of my patches, but I believe I have fixed it not validating [03:58] I sent a patch that should make it happy not too long ago, hour maybe [04:01] Greg? [04:01] or Troy [04:04] yes [04:04] ok i will apply that patch after i finish this [04:04] ok, that should make it all better [04:04] i need to make a progress chart after that and even fix the references to the images [04:05] ok [04:09] if there is anything I can do to help, let me know [04:13] i have to make entitiy references to you contributors as well [04:13] once we complete this book, i'll recommend you guys for svn access [04:13] ok, thx [04:13] so make your gpg keys handy [04:14] where do the keys need to go? [04:14] elmo will use it to send your accounts [04:15] kk [05:23] ok patched [05:29] great, thx === Kinnison [~dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hornbeck [~hornbeck@adsl-69-155-172-150.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:57] anyone around? [06:00] hey [06:00] wow [06:00] hello [06:00] hows it going [06:00] good [06:01] first time i saw you online [06:01] i am jerome [06:01] does plovs or sivang come around anymore? [06:01] I am John Hornbeck [06:01] sivang comes once in a while [06:01] plovs as well [06:01] who leads this group now? [06:01] nobody really, but i'm organizing stuff [06:01] I need a technical reviewer for a book I am writing about Ubuntu [06:01] hmm [06:01] sure [06:02] whats you last name? [06:02] Gotangco [06:02] where you from? [06:02] Manila, Philippines [06:02] nice [06:03] we have 3 active people in svn at the moment, me, matthew east and Jeff Schering [06:03] so, I am doing a book with Apress and they want a reviewer who is involved with the doc team [06:03] man the whole original team is gone than [06:03] Sean just quit but he's helping in the sidelines [06:03] ahh [06:03] I still read the mailing list [06:03] Enrico comes around every now and then [06:04] yeah [06:04] it was a bit of a flame war a while back [06:04] but we're fixing that [06:04] yeah, I left right when things started falling apart [06:04] the original svn was in my house [06:05] yeah i was told about that [06:05] oh really [06:05] I figured I was forgotten [06:05] hah no not really [06:05] i just came in when the original crew is almost gone [06:05] nice, at least you don't think I am a newbie writing a book [06:06] have you started writing it already? [06:06] yeah, first three chapters are about done [06:06] I already have everything in place [06:06] it is being released through Apress [06:06] I think I said that already [06:06] that's nice would it come out in time for breezy? [06:07] no, it is scheduled for January [06:07] whats the intended audience? [06:07] beginning Linux [06:08] Apress has a book "Beginning Suse: From Novice to Professional" [06:08] I am writing "Beginning Ubuntu: From Novice to Professinal" [06:08] ah so its in that line [06:08] yeah [06:08] from install to setting it up [06:08] using Firefox and OpenOffice [06:09] Evolution [06:09] simple stuff [06:09] but someone has to check my work [06:09] the pay is 2.75 a page [06:09] for the reviewer [06:09] about a 500 page book [06:10] that's not so bad [06:10] nope [06:10] little of 1000 US dollars for reading a book and telling me what is technically wrong [06:10] what's the timetable [06:10] read chapters right when I am done with them [06:11] you just need 1 reviewer? [06:11] so from now until December 27th [06:11] yes 1 reviewer [06:11] some one reliable [06:11] I was hoping for plovs as I know him well [06:12] i'm quite free for a while, but i will also inform the other active people involved at the moment [06:12] if anyone is really interested have them email me [06:12] i'm interested [06:12] you should still be able to find a email in the doc list [06:12] i just want to inform the others [06:12] ok, send me a short resume [06:12] yeah no sweat [06:13] since I don't really know you I at least need to find out about you :-) [06:13] no problem [06:13] hornbeck@gmail.com [06:13] its given [06:13] well I am off to write some more [06:13] later [06:13] ok see ya === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:44] brb === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:57] Burgundavia: hello [07:57] salut [07:57] did you work with hornbeck? [07:57] some [07:57] he was here a while ago, it seems he's writing a book for apress [07:58] cool [07:58] what on? [07:58] Ubuntu [07:58] beginners level i think [07:59] he was looking for plovs to offer hime a technical review job but he's inviting anyone insterested [07:59] he says the rate is 2.75/page for a 500 page book [07:59] but said he only needs 1 reviewer from the docteam [08:00] cool, I might be interested [08:04] me too, its best you contact him though as i would later [08:13] ok brb === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:31] jdub, will you join the meeting next week? [08:33] sure! [08:34] okay === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:10] wow Burgundavia is in p.u.c! [09:38] *snicker* [10:03] guess I need a hackergotchi thingy eh? === boglot [chaas@gw.workaround.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:07] LOL [10:07] I want my own hackergotchi to love and feed and pet and play with too! [10:07] Oh wait, that's a tamagotchi... [10:10] rofl [10:11] Burgundavia: are you still interested in docs or would rather do UI now? [10:11] I still think about docs [10:11] I just don't write very much [10:12] because of the svn account? [10:13] yah [10:13] I am getting my key signed next tuesday [10:13] which should prompt me into doing the whole thing again [10:13] right patches can be a chore [10:14] Burgundavia: are you on the west coast or east coast? [10:14] kassetra, west coast [10:14] can [10:14] 't go much farther west [10:14] Washington? Oregon? [10:15] I live right here [10:15] http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=bethune&sll=48.450684,-123.367131&sspn=0.020752,0.039312&hl=en [10:15] at the A [11:01] ? [11:03] zoom out to see more [11:06] im surprised you are still awake [11:06] of course [11:06] my sleep schedule is throughly messed [11:18] morn [11:19] morn [11:20] y0 [11:20] good work today jsgotangco [11:22] can i have a cookie [11:22] mdke: can i make a request === kassetra gives jsgotangco a cookie. [11:22] nice [11:23] jsgotangco, sure wassup? [11:23] did i do something wrong? [11:24] mdke: if you don't mind, i'd like to do the patches of kquickguide for now, its almost done already [11:24] no no [11:24] i just got confused with my versions [11:24] hehe [11:24] ok [11:24] i just slept for a few hours and when i woke up, it had 3 patches already, which is good [11:24] they were mostly just corrections yesterday [11:24] yeah [11:24] but its getting done! [11:24] which is good! [11:25] but i would prefer it if you wanna commit kde patches [11:25] no just for the meantime [11:25] they were enthusiastic about it [11:25] yep [11:26] they need commit access asap imho [11:26] let's make them finish the book first [11:26] its almost done anyway [11:26] ok, if you're happy to check their patches ;) [11:26] hmm [11:26] yeah i'll check their patches [11:26] btw [11:26] horbeck went in today [11:26] hornbeck [11:27] it seems he's writing a book for APress [11:27] "went in"? [11:27] online [11:27] ah [11:27] "he went online and came in this room" [11:28] anyway [11:28] he was looking for plovs [11:28] or any current team member [11:28] he said he needs a technical reviewer [11:28] for the book [11:28] because APress wanted someone from the current docteam [11:28] i c [11:28] but only 1 guy [11:29] Burgundavia, to reply to your post "Re: User guide", i think the answer is no. [11:29] jsgotangco, right [11:29] jsgotangco, was anyone up for it? [11:29] he said its $2.75 per page for 500 pages [11:29] i said i was interested, but i told him as well that i will inform the others for fair play [11:30] hmm [11:30] damn === Burgundavia has little interest in doing it [11:30] why not? [11:30] I hate our wiki [11:30] and uploading pictures to it is a pain [11:31] what does it have to do with our current discussion? [11:31] Burgundavia, its a lot of work converting that to the wiki [11:31] jsgotangco, we're having 2 discussions [11:31] ahh [11:31] let me check that === Burgundavia is the one that is up at 2:31 am [11:31] oh i see [11:31] no [11:31] heh [11:31] jsgotangco, is a technical reviewer supposed to be an expert in linux, or an expert in english? i guess the former, but i'm not sure [11:32] mdke: typically, both. [11:32] well its a beginner's book i guess hornbeck and APress wants someone authoritative to review per chapter [11:32] right [11:33] at least with regards to docs, we're the authority at the moment [11:33] you could also just have one person per chapter to review it - in order to keep from burning a single person out. [11:33] in what way? [11:34] ubuntu docs [11:34] i mean [11:34] we're a volunteer group [11:34] true [11:34] but our work is the one published === jsgotangco wonders if APress is the publisher that froud and sivang was talking about [11:34] well i don't feel we have greater expertise than a lot of people, but no reason why you shouldn't get involved if you like [11:35] mdke: i doubt my capability as well, that's why i tell it to erveryone who comes in because i was the only guy that hornbeck got to catch [11:36] i'm not doubting you! [11:36] while the money is good IMO, i'm interested more in the experience [11:36] (its not like you're going to do it for 8 hours a day) [11:36] true [11:36] froud has taught me a lot for sure [11:38] anyway is anyone familiar with svn on deleting files [11:39] svn delete [11:39] umm [11:39] i know that [11:39] heh [11:39] or del rm etc [11:39] i mean [11:39] i seem to still have it somewhere in my svn [11:39] (the files) [11:40] did you svn up already? [11:40] no [11:40] does svn delete also involve deleting the files which i did in working copy? [11:40] i don't get ya [11:40] you just do svn delete filename [11:40] well i did delete the files [11:41] then do svn status, you'll see what's happened [11:41] yes its says D [11:41] ok [11:41] does that mean its also deleted in trunk? [11:41] not jsut from my working copy? [11:42] when you commit [11:42] D kde/images/C/kubuntu-kinfocenter.png [11:42] D kde/images/C/kubuntu-ksysguard.png [11:42] hmm i am too reliant on esvn [11:42] D kde/images/C/kubuntu-kcron.png [11:42] ? [11:42] nooooo [11:42] not those [11:43] those are some that have been deleted and replaced with new ones [11:43] i'm just doing svn up [11:43] ahh [11:43] i deleted those starting with kde-* [11:43] and replaced them with kubuntu_* [11:43] kubuntu-* [11:45] mdke: shouldn't we change the &distro-version; to 5.10 now? === Kinnison [~dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === boglot [chaas@gw.workaround.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:46] sure [11:47] are you running breezy now? [11:47] how is it? [11:47] nautilus doesn't work right now [11:47] yeah [11:47] otherwise is fine [11:48] have they released colony 2 yet? [11:48] not yet [11:48] that would be nice on a laptop [11:48] heh [11:48] yeah === mdke hopes for a laptop [11:48] mdke: in other news, Burgundavia is now in planet [11:48] cool [11:48] my key still isn't properly signed [11:49] nor is mine [11:49] it doesn't connect [11:49] oh [11:49] i thought you had to have a trusted key to be a member === mdke goes looking for Burgundavia's posts [11:50] oh planet has a nice new interface [11:50] I am currently a member, but I haven't signed my CoC yet, due to my key not being trusted [11:51] you didnt sign keys in mataro? [11:51] same here [11:51] oh right, that key was lost === Burgundavia curses [11:51] but iirc membership requires the signed CoC [11:51] oh well [11:51] anyway cool that you're in planet [11:51] i signed my CoC but i don't see any difference to what i do now [11:51] the conversation was quite funny [11:52] I told jdub about a crazy idea [11:52] and then he told me to blog about it [11:52] so I created a blog and did [11:52] then he resolved it ;) [11:52] i need to get my key trusted :/ [11:52] henrik signed it, but it seems his isn't either ;) [11:53] heh [11:53] going to my lug this tuesday [11:53] I hope to get my key signed by lots [11:53] cool [11:53] hmm i think my key is signed by 70 people, most of them from UDU [11:53]