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| dholbach | good night everybody - sleep tight | 01:07 |
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| |QuaD-_ | tseng: whatever you did to beagle, it is a huge improvement | 03:21 |
| tseng | its still not done | 03:23 |
| tseng | it needs a few fixes in other packages | 03:23 |
| tseng | but we are getting close. | 03:23 |
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| abarbaccia | hey all - does cdrecord in breezy support devices besides scsi? | 03:25 |
| |QuaD-_ | tseng: it is a lot better then the original 0.10 release | 03:28 |
| whiprush | indeed, much better | 03:29 |
| whiprush | I can run it for days now | 03:30 |
| whiprush | it eventually blows up, but it's getting way better | 03:30 |
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| |QuaD- | tseng: i shouldn't have talked soo soon, crashed my comp | 03:38 |
| |QuaD- | lol | 03:38 |
| tseng | heh | 03:38 |
| tseng | i think its about time for bed | 03:38 |
| tseng | thanks for the input | 03:38 |
| |QuaD- | tseng: me too | 03:38 |
| tseng | later, motus | 03:39 |
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| ajmitch | hi | 04:16 |
| crimsun | morn' | 04:17 |
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| ivoks | hi all :) | 10:07 |
| \sh | moins | 10:07 |
| ivoks | anyone interested in e17 packages for ubuntu? | 10:07 |
| Burgundavia | I am certain you could get someone on #ubuntu interested | 10:11 |
| ivoks | :) | 10:12 |
| ivoks | these packages are not ready for users yet | 10:12 |
| ivoks | this is just testing.. | 10:12 |
| Burgundavia | those on #ubuntu don't really care if it is total crack, it seems | 10:12 |
| ivoks | :) | 10:13 |
| \sh | oh ... wonder...i can sell debian sarge boxes :) | 10:15 |
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| LordKahless | anyone think they could help me? i have some kernel source i'd like to compile into a .deb file | 10:28 |
| ajmitch | ah, kernel source you say now.. | 10:29 |
| LordKahless | not kernel | 10:29 |
| LordKahless | but just regular program source | 10:29 |
| LordKahless | transcode to be exact | 10:29 |
| ajmitch | wasn't transcode already packaged somewhere? | 10:29 |
| LordKahless | i can't find an ubuntu package for it, and a package i want in multiverse depends on it | 10:29 |
| \sh | ajmitch: marillat | 10:30 |
| \sh | LordKahless: transcode can't be shipped in multiverse | 10:30 |
| LordKahless | will the marillat reposatories work with ubuntu? i thought they only liked vanilla debian | 10:31 |
| \sh | LordKahless: i never used marillat | 10:31 |
| LordKahless | well i have the transcode source, is there a way i can make a .deb file from it? | 10:32 |
| Amaranth | marillat is for vanilla debian is has been known to break things | 10:32 |
| Amaranth | LordKahless: is it deb source or plain transcode source? | 10:32 |
| Treenaks | Amaranth: apt-get source + rebuild tends to work | 10:32 |
| Amaranth | LordKahless: (does it have a debian dir) | 10:32 |
| LordKahless | it doesnt | 10:33 |
| LordKahless | plain transcode source | 10:33 |
| LordKahless | is there any hope? :) | 10:34 |
| Amaranth | um | 10:34 |
| \sh | LordKahless: insert the marillat sources inyour apt sources.list | 10:34 |
| Amaranth | apt-get source from marillat | 10:34 |
| \sh | and apt-get source transcode | 10:35 |
| \sh | and rebuild the source package | 10:35 |
| \sh | and in the end, u will break something | 10:35 |
| LordKahless | :/ | 10:35 |
| LordKahless | well if i jsut compile the source, (make, make install.. etc..) will it satisfy the dependancies? | 10:35 |
| LordKahless | or will i have to force it to install? | 10:36 |
| Amaranth | it won't satisfy the dependencies | 10:36 |
| Amaranth | because the transcode package didn't get installed | 10:36 |
| LordKahless | is there a way i can make a package without breaking something? | 10:36 |
| Amaranth | apt-get source transcode is less likely to break something then make install | 10:37 |
| LordKahless | i get 404 errors from marillat sources :) | 10:39 |
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| blueyed | LordKahless: yes, the real server needs to be sync'ed with the storage server.. | 10:39 |
| blueyed | it's on th enews. | 10:40 |
| LordKahless | bah | 10:40 |
| LordKahless | so anything else i could do? heh | 10:40 |
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| LordKahless | there has to be some way to compile it into a deb file | 10:41 |
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| tseng | yay one step closer | 12:46 |
| tseng | to beagle ootb | 12:46 |
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| Amaranth | yay | 01:07 |
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| thesaltydog | Hi, I need help in understanding some issue concerning changelog... | 02:19 |
| tseng | what about? | 02:19 |
| thesaltydog | I need to have 2 changelogs: changelo.Debian.gz and changelog.gz | 02:19 |
| thesaltydog | the second one holds all past release changelogs | 02:19 |
| thesaltydog | the first one, the new ubuntu version changelogs | 02:20 |
| thesaltydog | I have made several tries, even putting dh_installchangelogs -k in ruels, | 02:20 |
| thesaltydog | but it doesn't work. Always just one changelog | 02:20 |
| thesaltydog | ? | 02:20 |
| tseng | (If | 02:22 |
| tseng | files named debian/package.changelog exist, they will be used in preference | 02:22 |
| tseng | to debian/changelog.) | 02:22 |
| tseng | what if you make debian/foo.changelog and list both? | 02:22 |
| tseng | then call dh_installchangelog | 02:22 |
| tseng | im just guessing. | 02:22 |
| thesaltydog | are you meaning that in the /debian dir I should put /debian/changelog and /debian/package.changelog? | 02:23 |
| tseng | package.changelog lists the names of changelogs you want to install | 02:24 |
| tseng | similiar to package.docs or package.install | 02:24 |
| thesaltydog | didn't know that | 02:24 |
| tseng | im just reading the man page | 02:24 |
| thesaltydog | in debian dir? | 02:24 |
| tseng | sure | 02:24 |
| tseng | i am guessing | 02:25 |
| tseng | package.changelog | 02:25 |
| tseng | ChangeLog | 02:25 |
| tseng | debian/changelog | 02:25 |
| tseng | something like this | 02:25 |
| thesaltydog | I have tried ChangeLog, but still doesn't work | 02:25 |
| thesaltydog | anyway, maybe the -k option is not useful in dh_installchangelogs | 02:27 |
| thesaltydog | I have seen that synaptic has this double changelog for the same reason I need.. | 02:28 |
| jamessan|work | you should only use the -k option if you need the changelog to keep the same filename as in the source package. otherwise, it'll be named changelog and changelog.Debian | 02:28 |
| thesaltydog | ok | 02:28 |
| thesaltydog | I'll go and make some tries. Thanks. | 02:29 |
| jamessan|work | thesaltydog: does the upstream package have a changelog? | 02:30 |
| thesaltydog | I have put a file named ChangeLog in the source directory | 02:30 |
| thesaltydog | with no luck.. | 02:31 |
| jamessan|work | and you have changelog in debian/, right? | 02:32 |
| jamessan|work | or package.changelog | 02:32 |
| thesaltydog | yes | 02:32 |
| thesaltydog | debian/changelog | 02:32 |
| jamessan|work | "dh_installchangelogs ChangeLog" should work | 02:33 |
| thesaltydog | make a try right now.. | 02:33 |
| thesaltydog | GREAT! It worked out!! | 02:34 |
| thesaltydog | jamessan, hugs | 02:34 |
| thesaltydog | tseng, hugs | 02:35 |
| jamessan|work | :) | 02:35 |
| thesaltydog | back to coding.. thanks mates! | 02:35 |
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| thesaltydog | jamessan, I've put the new files in the upstream dir.. | 02:44 |
| Unfrgiven | hi all | 02:44 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: pong | 02:45 |
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| Nafallo | hi all! | 02:48 |
| tseng | hey | 02:48 |
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| \sh | Unfrgiven: u read my mail? :) | 02:50 |
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| Unfrgiven | \sh: yep replied already too | 02:54 |
| Unfrgiven | :) | 02:54 |
| ivoks | \sh: yes, i updated | 02:54 |
| Unfrgiven | im just doing the remaining ones now | 02:54 |
| \sh | xorg*-23 is not on the servers right now :( | 02:55 |
| ivoks | eh... | 02:55 |
| ivoks | :( | 02:55 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: hows things otherwise? | 02:57 |
| \sh | I'm a bit stressed because of my normal work... | 02:58 |
| \sh | http://stats.blogweb.de/linux/index.html | 02:58 |
| \sh | jesus | 02:58 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: ?!?! whats with the link? | 03:00 |
| \sh | Unfrgiven: u see the increase of the hits? | 03:01 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: yeah whats the reason? | 03:01 |
| \sh | Unfrgiven: the planet ;) | 03:01 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: ah cool :) | 03:01 |
| \sh | and on articles: kubuntu-asses 410 official hits ;) | 03:02 |
| \sh | thats record | 03:02 |
| ivoks | see you guys | 03:02 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: ok debdiffs are done... im just doing pbuilder builds to sanity check now | 03:06 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: ace still isnt done as it FTBFS... i havent had the time to write a patch yet | 03:06 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: and gmetadom is still waiting on a ocaml binary | 03:07 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: can we move forward without ace and gmetadom? | 03:07 |
| \sh | Unfrgiven: u can upload or should i get the diffs and upload? | 03:10 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: well im not a MOTU yet... so i can't upload :( | 03:10 |
| Unfrgiven | i havent created the bugs on bugzilla yet | 03:10 |
| Unfrgiven | ill do so now | 03:10 |
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| thesaltydog | any help to upgrade-package procedure? | 03:20 |
| \sh | me's gone for a while... | 03:24 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: ok | 03:24 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: im creating bugs and updating the wiki | 03:24 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: is that all? | 03:24 |
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| thesaltydog | source: native-package-with-dash-version | 03:28 |
| thesaltydog | ?? | 03:28 |
| thesaltydog | This is after a debuild -S -sa | 03:28 |
| thesaltydog | any suggestion? | 03:30 |
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| thesaltydog | any help for a package upgrade procedure? | 03:39 |
| ivoks | ? | 03:43 |
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| Unfrgiven | ivoks: could you help me with a package im transitioning? | 03:44 |
| Unfrgiven | ivoks: the debdiff looks sane to me but the pbuilder build is failing. | 03:45 |
| ivoks | sure, if I can | 03:45 |
| jamessan|work | thesaltydog: make sure the original tarball is in your parent directory following the naming scheme: pacakge_version.orig.tar.gz | 03:45 |
| Unfrgiven | ivoks: http://ankur.ath.cx/dev/ode_0.5-3ubuntu1.debdiff | 03:46 |
| thesaltydog | jamessan, just one difference.. between package and version should it be a dash (-) or underscore(_)? | 03:46 |
| ivoks | Unfrgiven: how does it fail? | 03:46 |
| jamessan|work | underscore | 03:46 |
| thesaltydog | ok. and then run bebuild -S -sa | 03:46 |
| thesaltydog | debuil | 03:46 |
| thesaltydog | debuild? | 03:46 |
| Unfrgiven | ivoks: cp: cannot create regular file `debian/libode0/usr/lib/libode.so.0': No such file or directory | 03:47 |
| Unfrgiven | ivoks: thats coming from debian/rules | 03:47 |
| ivoks | Unfrgiven: eh... | 03:47 |
| Unfrgiven | ivoks: but i dont see how the contents of that debdiff can possibly change it | 03:47 |
| ivoks | Unfrgiven: debdiff didn't change it... that's the problem | 03:47 |
| ivoks | Unfrgiven: there is some stuff in debian/rules | 03:48 |
| Unfrgiven | ivoks: oh! | 03:48 |
| jamessan|work | thesaltydog: sure | 03:48 |
| ivoks | Unfrgiven: packager probably harcoded libode0 somewhere in it | 03:48 |
| ivoks | Unfrgiven: you should check that file | 03:48 |
| thesaltydog | jamessan, there should be something still wrong.. I tell you what I did: | 03:48 |
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| thesaltydog | jamessan, I was in the need to upgrade to v 1.3.0, | 03:48 |
| Unfrgiven | ivoks: ARGH! you're right... thats the problem! OMG thats terrible | 03:49 |
| ivoks | Unfrgiven: fix it :) | 03:49 |
| Unfrgiven | ivoks: thanks for your help! ill test it with the change now | 03:49 |
| ivoks | np | 03:49 |
| Unfrgiven | ivoks: i dunno enough to fix it :( | 03:49 |
| thesaltydog | jamessan, so I have put the new tarball in bum_1-3-0_0ubuntu1.orig.tar.gz | 03:49 |
| ivoks | ? | 03:49 |
| ivoks | Unfrgiven: put that rules somewhere, i'll check it | 03:49 |
| thesaltydog | jamessan, I have then upgrade the source files in the soruce dir. | 03:49 |
| ivoks | svn rulz | 03:50 |
| thesaltydog | jamessan, then I have run dch -v 1.3.0-0ubuntu1 | 03:50 |
| thesaltydog | jamessan, chande changelog | 03:50 |
| Unfrgiven | ivoks: http://ankur.ath.cx/dev/rules | 03:50 |
| thesaltydog | jamessan, and run debuild -S -sa | 03:50 |
| thesaltydog | jamessan, but still getting the "native" warning. | 03:50 |
| jamessan|work | thesaltydog: why is the orig tarball named bum_1-3-0_0ubuntu1.orig.tar.gz? that doesn't follow the format pacakge_version.orig.tar.gz | 03:50 |
| ivoks | Unfrgiven: cp -a lib/libode*.so.* debian/libode0/usr/lib/ | 03:51 |
| \sh | ivoks: thats it | 03:51 |
| ivoks | Unfrgiven: should be cp -a lib/libode*.so.* debian/libode0c2/usr/lib/ | 03:51 |
| Unfrgiven | ivoks: yeah i found the offending line and fixed that | 03:51 |
| Unfrgiven | ivoks: but i thought you knew a more generic way | 03:51 |
| ivoks | lol | 03:51 |
| thesaltydog | jamessan, you told me before, to put the underscore bewteen version and release | 03:51 |
| ivoks | there is no generic way | 03:51 |
| Unfrgiven | ivoks: as in a way to avoid hardcoding the package name :) with an environment var or something | 03:51 |
| \sh | Unfrgiven: i will check all your bugentries and upload them tonight | 03:52 |
| ivoks | some put libname-$(VERSION) | 03:52 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: thanks a lot. | 03:52 |
| \sh | right now, we have a bloody problem with our SI server again | 03:52 |
| ivoks | so you have to make it libname-$(VERSION)c2 | 03:52 |
| ivoks | etc.. | 03:52 |
| Unfrgiven | ivoks: hmm... ill test that in my own time | 03:52 |
| ivoks | so, basicly, there is no generic way | 03:52 |
| thesaltydog | jamessan, ok so the oprig should be just bum_1.3.0.orig.tar.gz | 03:52 |
| thesaltydog | jamessan, but I tried also this.. | 03:52 |
| Unfrgiven | ivoks: good idea though :) i am just rushed to wrap this up now and dont wanna experiment with stuff | 03:52 |
| === ajmitch will try & update wiki/bugzilla in the morning with cxx stuff he's done, for now, sleep time (2am) | ||
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| ajmitch | \sh: in other words, don't worry, I am still alive & doing stuff :) | 03:53 |
| \sh | ajmitch: g'night :) | 03:53 |
| thesaltydog | jamessan, dpkg-buildpackage: source only upload: Debian-native package | 03:53 |
| \sh | ajmitch: hahahaha :) | 03:53 |
| thesaltydog | jamessan, W: bum source: native-package-with-dash-version | 03:53 |
| Unfrgiven | ajmitch: good night | 03:54 |
| \sh | ajmitch: i think i'll have to check how expensive the flights from .de to .nz are... | 03:54 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: ok im about to head off to bed as well... just waiting for a successful pbuilder build of ode and ill be done for the night... gmetadom and ace remain pending for reasons stated. | 03:55 |
| jamessan|work | thesaltydog: I'm not sure, then | 03:55 |
| \sh | Unfrgiven: ocaml can be fixed shortly, if daniels modified and fixed the issues in xorg*-23 | 03:56 |
| ivoks | ;..( | 03:57 |
| \sh | Unfrgiven: i will try then this ocaml-findlib | 03:57 |
| ivoks | i still can't upload | 03:57 |
| mort | !seen daniel_n | 03:57 |
| mort | you masters don't even have a bot? | 03:57 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: sure thing, no problem. | 03:57 |
| ivoks | maybe trustpath isn't strong enough? | 03:57 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: by the way im feeling a lot more confident with my MOTU work now :) | 03:57 |
| thesaltydog | jamessan, fixed... I was putting a dash instead of an underscore between <package> and <version>!! Sorry and thanks! | 03:57 |
| \sh | Unfrgiven: me too :) | 03:58 |
| jamessan|work | :) | 03:58 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: i'm hoping that i will be accepted as a MOTU at the next TB. | 03:58 |
| \sh | Unfrgiven: sure :) | 03:58 |
| === jamessan|work could host a bot if people wanted it | ||
| Unfrgiven | \sh: :) | 03:58 |
| \sh | jamessan|work: no :) | 03:58 |
| === Unfrgiven agrees with \sh | ||
| \sh | we should compile a list with all motus and their IM addresses | 03:59 |
| \sh | I could setup a special vhost for a jabber service :) | 03:59 |
| jamessan|work | ok :) | 03:59 |
| Nafallo | \sh: hehe | 04:00 |
| \sh | ubuntu.sourcecode.de ;) | 04:00 |
| Nafallo | \sh: try to get motu.ubuntu.com or something ;-) | 04:00 |
| \sh | or I can order a new domain: ubuntu-motu.org ,-> | 04:00 |
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| \sh | Nafallo: nice idea | 04:00 |
| \sh | i will raise it :) | 04:01 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 04:01 |
| \sh | jabber.ubuntu.com is also nice :) and a new marketing gag :) | 04:01 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 04:02 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: ok i've updated the wiki and uploaded the debdiffs to bugzilla. | 04:02 |
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| Unfrgiven | \sh: on that note, ill head off to sleep... if theres anything wrong could you email me? ill check in the morning and address any problems ASAP. | 04:02 |
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| \sh | Unfrgiven: nice :) i grab them all tonight and upload them...updating bugzillla, when some errors occured or i put positive message inside | 04:03 |
| \sh | Unfrgiven: ok..will do | 04:03 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: :D | 04:03 |
| Unfrgiven | good night all | 04:03 |
| ivoks | \sh: could I ask you one favour? | 04:03 |
| ivoks | Unfrgiven: night | 04:03 |
| \sh | ivoks: should i upload your stuff as well? ,-) | 04:03 |
| \sh | or wifi-radar? | 04:04 |
| ivoks | wifi-radar only :) | 04:04 |
| ivoks | everything else is allready uploaded | 04:04 |
| ivoks | but... opencv is *wrong* | 04:04 |
| ivoks | what happend... | 04:04 |
| \sh | ivoks: i'll do my reviewing time also this evenin..kdebluetooth, wifi-radar etc. | 04:04 |
| thesaltydog | anyone can have a look at BUM package upstream? | 04:04 |
| ivoks | sid had opencv newer then it has it now | 04:04 |
| \sh | ivoks: sync it | 04:04 |
| ivoks | they reverted old version | 04:04 |
| ivoks | but... | 04:04 |
| thesaltydog | it is in MOTUNewPackages | 04:04 |
| ivoks | newer version is allready in ubuntu archives | 04:05 |
| ivoks | so... opencv should be kicked out | 04:05 |
| ivoks | and one more thing... | 04:06 |
| ivoks | \sh: could you check trustpath from my PGP to yours and vice versa and tell me is it ok? | 04:07 |
| \sh | ivoks: id? | 04:07 |
| ivoks | 1024D/D3BDA225 | 04:08 |
| \sh | ivoks: is it on the keyservers? | 04:09 |
| \sh | ah have it | 04:09 |
| ivoks | yes | 04:09 |
| \sh | ivoks: http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/mk_path.cgi?FROM=0xC098EFA8&TO=0xD3BDA225&PATHS=trust+paths | 04:14 |
| Burgundavia | how do I check a trust path? | 04:15 |
| ivoks | it looks good to me | 04:15 |
| \sh | for me too | 04:16 |
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| Burgundavia | nev mind | 04:18 |
| ivoks | IE6 has tabs :) | 04:18 |
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| Nafallo | ivoks: mozilla hade it earlier ;-) | 04:21 |
| ivoks | Nafallo: didn't know that :) | 04:21 |
| ivoks | but the point is that they didn't tell anyone ie6 will have tabs | 04:21 |
| Nafallo | s/e// ;-) | 04:21 |
| ivoks | they said ie7 will have | 04:21 |
| Nafallo | ivoks: they might use gecko? ;-) | 04:22 |
| ivoks | hehe | 04:22 |
| ivoks | no | 04:22 |
| ivoks | gecko has nothing to do with tabs | 04:22 |
| Nafallo | I was more on the "they stole this, they might have stolen that" approach ;-) | 04:23 |
| ivoks | i know | 04:23 |
| \sh | ok...going home...cu later | 04:23 |
| Nafallo | \sh: laters | 04:23 |
| Nafallo | baah | 04:24 |
| ivoks | bye | 04:24 |
| Nafallo | can't the damn rain stop for a minute. I need to buy food and a cd-rw :-P. | 04:25 |
| Nafallo | you just gotta love lidl ;-) | 04:25 |
| Nafallo | they got everything a geek needs :-) | 04:25 |
| Nafallo | including laptops ;-) | 04:25 |
| ivoks | http://process-of-elimination.net/?q=kde_3_5_observations | 04:26 |
| ivoks | kde3.5 takes some gnome stuff :) | 04:26 |
| ivoks | like "add applets" dialog :) | 04:26 |
| ivoks | time to go home.. | 04:30 |
| ivoks | .see u | 04:30 |
| Amaranth | i wonder how much KDE users would hate me if i made smeg depend on python2.4-gnome2 | 04:36 |
| Nafallo | Amaranth: KDE users should use smek or something ;-) | 04:37 |
| Amaranth | Nafallo: smeg doesn't stand for anything anymore ;) | 04:37 |
| Amaranth | it just describes what the menu spec makes me do | 04:38 |
| Amaranth | Sweak. | 04:38 |
| Amaranth | err, Swear | 04:38 |
| Nafallo | Amaranth: baah. I will always know what it stands for. it's hardcoded in my brain now :-). | 04:38 |
| Amaranth | Nafallo: the acronym was just a way of saying i didn't name it smeg because i thought it sounded cool :) | 04:38 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 04:39 |
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| Burgundavia | Amaranth, smeg is gtk, no? | 04:41 |
| Amaranth | Burgundavia: yeah | 04:41 |
| Burgundavia | then why are you worrying about kde users? | 04:42 |
| Amaranth | because GTK works on KDE? | 04:42 |
| Amaranth | i have KDE users | 04:42 |
| Amaranth | smeg is a _LOT_ better than kmenuedit | 04:43 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 04:43 |
| Amaranth | i have XFCE users too, i guess | 04:44 |
| Burgundavia | more if Xubuntu gets off the ground | 04:44 |
| Amaranth | so depending on GNOMEy things is probably a bad idea | 04:44 |
| tseng | hi | 05:16 |
| Nafallo | hi tseng :-) | 05:16 |
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| ivoks | X are here :) YAY! | 06:09 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 06:39 |
| ivoks | hi | 06:40 |
| === ivoks needs help :( | ||
| jamessan|work | with? | 06:50 |
| ivoks | with opensceenegraph | 06:52 |
| ivoks | scenegraph | 06:52 |
| ivoks | cxx transition | 06:52 |
| Mez | question: if I backport libc6 to the breezy version will it cause any problems in normal hoary apps? | 06:53 |
| ivoks | :)) | 06:53 |
| ivoks | yes | 06:53 |
| ivoks | first of all dependecy problems | 06:54 |
| Mez | why will it cause dependency problems? | 06:54 |
| Mez | if something depends on glibc - doesnt it usuallty dpeend on a certain version or higher? | 06:55 |
| ivoks | i'm sure there are packages that depend on = hoary version of libc | 06:55 |
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| ivoks | Mez: d/w breezy libc6 and try to install it | 06:56 |
| DanielN | hi folks :) | 06:56 |
| ivoks | hi DanielN | 06:56 |
| Mez | d/w | 06:56 |
| Mez | ? | 06:56 |
| ivoks | download | 06:56 |
| ivoks | d/l | 06:56 |
| Mez | :P | 06:56 |
| ivoks | or whatever :) | 06:56 |
| Mez | I'm trying to backport it :D | 06:56 |
| ivoks | what's to backport? | 06:56 |
| ivoks | that's essential lib | 06:57 |
| Mez | yeah | 06:57 |
| ivoks | depends only on libdb1-compat | 06:57 |
| Mez | gnupg... requires a higher version of libc6 than is inb ubuntu | 06:57 |
| ivoks | gnupg? | 06:58 |
| Mez | so I'm going to need to backport THAT first :D | 06:58 |
| Mez | yes gnupg | 06:58 |
| Mez | http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/utils/gnupg | 06:58 |
| Mez | http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/utils/gnupg | 06:58 |
| Mez | look at the libc6 version deps | 06:58 |
| DanielN | tseng: ping | 06:58 |
| ivoks | you didn't understand me.. | 06:58 |
| ivoks | why do you want to backport gnupg? | 06:58 |
| Mez | because the version in hoary is tragically out of date | 06:59 |
| ivoks | and new version has...? | 06:59 |
| ivoks | what new? :) | 07:00 |
| ivoks | so, you are telling me that you can't compile gnupg 1.4 with libc that's in breezy? | 07:00 |
| ivoks | pardon, hoary | 07:00 |
| ivoks | i mean... breezy has 2.3.4 libc, and hoary 2.3.2 | 07:01 |
| ivoks | this is not so big diff.. | 07:01 |
| Mez | hoary has 2.3.2 | 07:02 |
| Mez | breezy 2.3.5 | 07:02 |
| ivoks | .4 | 07:02 |
| ivoks | ok, maybe .5 :) | 07:02 |
| Mez | gnupg in breezy depends on >=.4 | 07:02 |
| ivoks | Mez: of course it does | 07:02 |
| Mez | .2 < .4 | 07:02 |
| ivoks | but gnupg doesn't depend on 2.3.2 | 07:03 |
| ivoks | listen | 07:03 |
| ivoks | if you are backporting some package | 07:03 |
| ivoks | idea is to compile it with libs that are allready in hoary | 07:03 |
| ivoks | so, you have to change version of libc on which gnupg is depending | 07:03 |
| ivoks | and other librariers | 07:04 |
| Mez | feck | 07:04 |
| Mez | sorry | 07:04 |
| Mez | I'm being an idioty | 07:04 |
| ivoks | you have to make gnupg depend on libs only in hoary | 07:04 |
| ivoks | :) | 07:04 |
| Mez | yeah | 07:05 |
| Mez | and of course it's going to fecking work | 07:06 |
| ivoks | :) | 07:06 |
| Mez | because it depends on 2.3.2 in debian | 07:06 |
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| Mez | http://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/gnupg | 07:06 |
| ivoks | i'm sure it will work with any 2.3 | 07:06 |
| ivoks | if not any 2.x | 07:06 |
| Mez | I'm half awake | 07:06 |
| Mez | though I'm going to bp from deb stable :D | 07:06 |
| Mez | cause it's higher than breezy | 07:06 |
| ivoks | time to eat something... | 07:08 |
| ivoks | see you | 07:08 |
| tseng | DanielN: yes? | 07:10 |
| tseng | Mez: dude what is the deal with the mono backport? | 07:11 |
| DanielN | tseng: would it be enough, to have the gpg signed by a friend, who has signed his key by a debian devel? | 07:11 |
| Mez | tseng - I've no idea :D I just do backports every now and then | 07:11 |
| tseng | well i seem to recall at the meeting that there would be no more mono backports, or libraries or interpreters in general | 07:12 |
| tseng | oh well. | 07:12 |
| Amaranth | DanielN: Yes. | 07:12 |
| tseng | DanielN: hm yeah | 07:12 |
| DanielN | great :) | 07:12 |
| Amaranth | tseng: they 'backported' azureus too | 07:12 |
| tseng | Amaranth: yeah, i use the word backport loosely now | 07:13 |
| Amaranth | if things not in breezy would be put in hoary-extras it'd make things easier | 07:13 |
| Amaranth | i could just say "don't use that" and not tell people to completely ignore backports | 07:13 |
| tseng | i dont see a reason to seperate the distinction if they arent going to follow the basic rules | 07:14 |
| tseng | ill ask why it is still there when he pops up next | 07:14 |
| Mez | It'll be gone I think when they move to the properly "official" status | 07:20 |
| Mez | but at the moment.. he's just carrying on as normal (I think) | 07:20 |
| tseng | ok. | 07:24 |
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| mez | so what do MOTU's do for packages that are in debian, but not in universe... | 08:12 |
| tseng | we ask elmo nicely to sync it | 08:12 |
| tseng | or wait | 08:12 |
| mez | lol fair enough | 08:13 |
| mez | and you package other things ? | 08:13 |
| mez | and become the "maintainer" for that package? | 08:13 |
| tseng | erm the goal of the MOTU is not just to introduce as many new packages as we can find | 08:14 |
| tseng | a bigger responsibility is to help the 100s we already have build and run on ubuntu | 08:14 |
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| mez | as in ubuntu-specific packages? | 08:15 |
| Burgundavia | mez, with the removal of the "run application" from upstream, all applications that should need a .desktop file, if you are interested | 08:15 |
| mez | so basically patch them up and fix them to work with ubuntu | 08:15 |
| mfgalizi | Hello, I would like to get a package added. I was told I should be coming here | 08:16 |
| mez | Burgundavia, huh ? | 08:16 |
| Lathiat | Burgundavia: as in gnomes run application was removed? | 08:16 |
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| Burgundavia | mez, the .desktop file tells gnome/kde where to place the application in the menu | 08:16 |
| Burgundavia | Lathiat, yes | 08:16 |
| Lathiat | Burgundavia: oh, interesting | 08:16 |
| mez | Burgundavia, am I allowed to use smeg :P | 08:17 |
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| mgalvin | mfgalizi, what would you like added? | 08:17 |
| mez | Burgundavia, I thought ti created them ? | 08:18 |
| mez | *shrugs* | 08:18 |
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| Burgundavia | mez, it creates them for the current user | 08:18 |
| Burgundavia | it doesn't change the source package it install them by default | 08:18 |
| mez | yes, and then once those are created, you manually copy that file into the source package :d | 08:18 |
| Burgundavia | well, you need to tell the source package where to install it | 08:19 |
| Burgundavia | that is part where my tiny brain falls down | 08:19 |
| mfgalizi | mgalvin: libxvmcw. are you familiar with it? | 08:19 |
| mgalvin | mfgalizi, no, what is it for? | 08:20 |
| mfgalizi | Its a wrapper library for XvMC (and the vld extensions). Instead of having to link agains a particular inplementation of xvmc, you just link against it. | 08:21 |
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| herve | hellas! | 08:22 |
| mgalvin | hi herve | 08:22 |
| mfgalizi | So, for example, adding this would allow you to release xine with the xxmc plugin. And then myth packages could link against it too. its available from unichrome.sf.net | 08:22 |
| bddebian | Heya her | 08:23 |
| bddebian | herve even.. fscking autocomplete | 08:23 |
| mgalvin | mfgalizi, checking it out... | 08:23 |
| mfgalizi | mgalvin: thanks. I have a debian dir already if you would like it. | 08:23 |
| Lathiat | mfgalizi: what does that stuff actually do | 08:23 |
| Lathiat | (i saw it mentioned on a show earlier) | 08:24 |
| mgalvin | mfgalizi, i found it, have you tried just installing it from the sid version of the deb on that sire | 08:24 |
| mgalvin | s/sire/site/ | 08:24 |
| mfgalizi | mgalvin, where is the sid version? I dont see it | 08:25 |
| mfgalizi | Lathiat, xvmc is an x extension supporting video accelleration. XVideo Motion Compensation. | 08:26 |
| mfgalizi | Lathiat, beyond that, I really dont know (other than that my EPIA board uses it) | 08:26 |
| mgalvin | http://www.physik.fu-berlin.de/~glaweh/debian/ | 08:27 |
| Lathiat | 'video accelleration' ? | 08:27 |
| Lathiat | from the name i would glen 'I can move my totem aroudn the desktop without seeing the overlay' | 08:27 |
| mgalvin | add the repository on that page to your /etc/apt/sources.list | 08:27 |
| mfgalizi | oh, yeah, those work, but they are a release behind | 08:27 |
| mfgalizi | I'm not sure those packages are maintained anymore (they've been static for months, as far as i know anyways) | 08:28 |
| mgalvin | oh ok, so you want to get an updated release, have you tried contacting its debian maintainer and asking if he could update his package? | 08:28 |
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| mfgalizi | nope. I just figured it would make sense in the distribution. | 08:30 |
| mfgalizi | enough programs can use it: xine, ok, just xine thats already in the standard distribution | 08:30 |
| mgalvin | ok, and you want to see this in breezy or hoary? | 08:30 |
| mfgalizi | well, if hoary implies breezy, then hoary | 08:31 |
| mgalvin | i only ask b/c new updates will not be in hoary, the updates will only get into breezy | 08:32 |
| mgalvin | i could take a look at updating them | 08:32 |
| mgalvin | er ,it | 08:32 |
| mfgalizi | Pardon, I dont follow | 08:33 |
| mfgalizi | you mean adding the package? | 08:33 |
| mgalvin | sorry, yes, I could take a look at updating the package if you'd like | 08:34 |
| mgalvin | to the latest version | 08:34 |
| tseng | man where are the germans | 08:35 |
| mez | hmm | 08:36 |
| mez | Question: | 08:36 |
| mez | For Breezy... | 08:37 |
| mez | why is gnupg 1.4.0 | 08:37 |
| tseng | as opposed to? | 08:37 |
| tseng | (its 1.4.1, anyway) | 08:37 |
| mez | the latest stable version 1.4.1 | 08:37 |
| mez | ah lists as 1.4.0 on packages.ubuntu.com | 08:38 |
| tseng | that page isnt live, obviously | 08:38 |
| mez | hmm | 08:38 |
| mez | Who's Martin Pitt? | 08:39 |
| Lathiat | pitti | 08:41 |
| mez | makes sense | 08:41 |
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| mez | hmm | 09:07 |
| mez | does anyone mind if I update konversation for breezy? | 09:07 |
| mez | to 0.18 | 09:07 |
| mez | as like... one of my packages to start or soemthing | 09:07 |
| mez | wait | 09:08 |
| tseng | updating a package doesnt really tell us anything about your skills | 09:08 |
| mez | fair enough | 09:08 |
| tseng | unless you updated mono or something | 09:08 |
| mez | so what does tell you about my skills? | 09:08 |
| tseng | it tells me you can run uupdate -u | 09:08 |
| mez | lol | 09:08 |
| mez | what can i do to show you my skilz? (or lack of) | 09:09 |
| tseng | skills doesnt have a z in it | 09:09 |
| tseng | you can make new packages, or fix real bugs or something | 09:10 |
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| tseng | i could tell my mom how to download a tarball and run uupdate | 09:10 |
| ivoks | hi | 09:10 |
| ivoks | hehe uupdate | 09:11 |
| ivoks | ok i give up on openscenegraph | 09:12 |
| ivoks | that should do someone with more experience and knowledge | 09:13 |
| mez | lol fair enough tseng | 09:13 |
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| mez | and i know skills doesnt have a z in it | 09:13 |
| mez | I'm taking the p**s | 09:13 |
| tseng | the what? | 09:13 |
| tseng | there are alot of international people, its alot easier to read what you are saying with out the slang | 09:14 |
| ivoks | :> | 09:14 |
| ivoks | what kind of a package is this? | 09:19 |
| ivoks | when you untar it, you get debian and gziped source | 09:19 |
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| mez | taking the p**s | 09:27 |
| mez | as in, joking about. | 09:28 |
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| mez | debian/rules reverse-config | 09:34 |
| mez | make[1] : Entering directory `/home/mez/backports-arena/konversation/konversation-0.18' | 09:34 |
| mez | make[1] : *** No rule to make target `reverse-config'. Stop. | 09:34 |
| mez | make: *** [clean] Error 2 | 09:34 |
| mez | what does that mean ? | 09:34 |
| mez | I've never come across that before | 09:34 |
| tseng | that means debian/rules calls make reverse-config | 09:37 |
| tseng | and there is no such rule | 09:37 |
| mez | must be something new in .27 | 09:38 |
| mez | of cdbs | 09:39 |
| mez | Build Depends are only needed for building right, not for the user? | 09:39 |
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| jbailey | mez: If you have a testcase for somethign that broke, please tell me. | 09:41 |
| mez | nah jbailey - I'm just trying to make a deb for konversation 0.18 in hoary | 09:42 |
| jbailey | mez: It seems Robert was a bit careless about adding to the testsuite, and I'd like to add some testcases to catch things that have broken. | 09:42 |
| mez | and I've no idea what you're saying :D | 09:42 |
| \sh | mez: is riddell not working on konversation? | 09:43 |
| \sh | re btw | 09:43 |
| mez | no idea :P | 09:43 |
| mez | I'm not working on it for motu | 09:44 |
| mez | just for myself | 09:44 |
| mez | I'm just like, teaching myself packaging stuff | 09:44 |
| mez | but, 0.18 depends on cdbs .27-3 | 09:44 |
| mez | hoary = .26 | 09:44 |
| mez | so I think thats what's wrong | 09:44 |
| \sh | well | 09:44 |
| \sh | breezy awaits you and your learning skills :) | 09:45 |
| mez | ? | 09:45 |
| mez | what do you mean by that | 09:45 |
| \sh | hoary is out | 09:45 |
| \sh | ok..uploading stuff for Unfrgiven | 09:46 |
| mez | ah | 09:46 |
| mez | I'm making backports to devlop my skill | 09:46 |
| mez | s | 09:46 |
| tseng | backports dont require that much skill | 09:46 |
| tseng | its apt-get source; cd; dpkg-buildpackage most of the time | 09:47 |
| mez | yeah I know | 09:47 |
| mez | this one I'm building the package from source thgouh | 09:47 |
| mez | well | 09:47 |
| mez | upgrading the current 0.17 to 0.18 then trying to build for hoary | 09:47 |
| mez | but it depends on a version of cdbs... | 09:47 |
| mez | which I'm assuming is causing the problem | 09:48 |
| mez | s | 09:48 |
| \sh | mez: then u have to "backport" cdbs as well | 09:48 |
| mez | yeah thats what I was thinking | 09:48 |
| \sh | or downgrade the package to hoaries cdbs | 09:48 |
| mez | \sh - I have no idea how to do that | 09:48 |
| mez | I could just build from scratch | 09:49 |
| \sh | if you build from scratch you're not backporting. | 09:49 |
| mez | true | 09:49 |
| mez | so whats the best way to get around this crap then? | 09:50 |
| mez | any hints? | 09:50 |
| mez | other than backporting cdbs | 09:50 |
| mez | and causing problems | 09:50 |
| \sh | try to build it with the packages which r there | 09:51 |
| === mez tries backporting from debian | ||
| \sh | thats backporting..not to break the distri | 09:51 |
| mez | yeah I know \sh :d | 09:52 |
| mez | ffs | 09:52 |
| mez | I'm going to have to go even further back and backport from the one that's in hoary | 09:53 |
| mez | as in uupdate | 09:53 |
| \sh | argl...anacron | 09:55 |
| \sh | i hate this thing | 09:55 |
| mez | lol | 09:56 |
| === mez hopes bp'ing this way works | ||
| \sh | i need coffee | 10:02 |
| mez | lol | 10:04 |
| bddebian | I need cocaine or something.. :-) | 10:07 |
| mez | feck | 10:07 |
| mez | I forgot to change the changelog :P | 10:07 |
| Amaranth | awake 24 hours and counting | 10:07 |
| Amaranth | whee | 10:07 |
| mez | well done | 10:07 |
| mez | <-- still hyper from last nights gig | 10:07 |
| \sh | ok..that for unfrgiven | 10:15 |
| \sh | one issue, rest was ok | 10:15 |
| \sh | re bradb | 10:19 |
| bradb | hi \sh | 10:23 |
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| herve | see you later | 10:41 |
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| Mez | where's the pbuild howto? | 11:11 |
| \sh | http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/PbuilderHowto | 11:11 |
| Mez | god.... konversation was a pain in the ass to backport | 11:12 |
| Mez | but I DID IT | 11:12 |
| Mez | E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) | 11:15 |
| Mez | wtf? | 11:15 |
| Mez | nvm | 11:16 |
| Mez | forgot to update | 11:16 |
| Mez | is there any way... rather than using dpkg-buildpacakge | 11:30 |
| Mez | that you just like... | 11:30 |
| Mez | make the .dsc etc etc | 11:30 |
| Mez | ? | 11:30 |
| Mez | so you can use pbuild to build it | 11:31 |
| \sh | yes | 11:31 |
| \sh | debuild -S | 11:31 |
| \sh | without source | 11:31 |
| \sh | debuild -S -sa <-- with source | 11:32 |
| Mez | so if you've got the orgi.tgz, extracted, and the diff ... then you say do a uupdate -u | 11:32 |
| Mez | and then do a debuild -S -sa | 11:32 |
| Mez | in the new dir | 11:32 |
| Mez | and then just do a pbuild bla.dsb | 11:33 |
| Mez | wait | 11:33 |
| Mez | why is pbuilder creating the base system again? | 11:33 |
| Mez | nvm | 11:34 |
| Mez | I rang wrong command | 11:34 |
| \sh | because it's creating a chroot env. and put it in a tar.gz | 11:35 |
| Mez | yeah | 11:37 |
| Mez | and i was trying to build something | 11:37 |
| Mez | adn cocked up and hit the wrong thing in the history | 11:37 |
| Mez | thanks for the help \sh | 11:40 |
| Mez | worked like a beaut | 11:40 |
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| tseng | ogra: do you know where koke is | 11:47 |
| ogra | spain i guess... | 11:47 |
| \sh | ogra@ip? | 11:48 |
| \sh | what's that | 11:48 |
| \sh | where r u mister ogra :) | 11:48 |
| ogra | amsterdam.... stranded on my way to bergen | 11:50 |
| \sh | oh my | 11:50 |
| Mez | :P | 11:50 |
| Mez | lol | 11:50 |
| \sh | ogra: but good for u :) buy some kilos of "hanf" ;) | 11:50 |
| ogra | \sh, no fun... | 11:52 |
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| \sh | ogra: what r u doing in bergen anyways? | 11:53 |
| Seveas | ogra, amsterdam is good :) | 11:53 |
| === Seveas works there | ||
| ogra | Seveas, so you know the ibis hotel near shiphol ? do you really think its worth a travel ? | 11:54 |
| ogra | :/ | 11:54 |
| ogra | especially since i'm supposed to be in bergen/norway since 4pm today.... | 11:55 |
| Seveas | hmm, ibis hotel... | 11:55 |
| ogra | KLM sucks.... | 11:55 |
| Seveas | ogra, hmm that sucks indeed | 11:55 |
| Mez | hmm | 11:58 |
| Mez | I'm getting sorta used to how to build stuff and stuff | 11:58 |
| Mez | I just wish I could code so i cna fix bugs | 11:58 |
| Mez | which means I'm not gonna get to be a MOTU am i? | 11:58 |
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