=== moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.160.45] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC04D9.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:07] good night everybody - sleep tight === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === p0m [wodann@203-206-18-177.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [~jm__@202.172.110.163] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [~ogra@p5089ED0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ [~ogra@p5089ED0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crim [~ubuntu@rchp4.rochester.ibm.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC0CEB.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kees-jan [~kees-jan@i56048.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kees-jan [~kees-jan@i56048.upc-i.chello.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0930.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === |QuaD-_ [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC0D73.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo night alla [03:21] <|QuaD-_> tseng: whatever you did to beagle, it is a huge improvement [03:23] its still not done [03:23] it needs a few fixes in other packages [03:23] but we are getting close. === abarbaccia [~abarbacci@pcp0011109857pcs.elkrdg01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:25] hey all - does cdrecord in breezy support devices besides scsi? [03:28] <|QuaD-_> tseng: it is a lot better then the original 0.10 release [03:29] indeed, much better [03:30] I can run it for days now [03:30] it eventually blows up, but it's getting way better === |QuaD- [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:38] <|QuaD-> tseng: i shouldn't have talked soo soon, crashed my comp [03:38] <|QuaD-> lol [03:38] heh [03:38] i think its about time for bed [03:38] thanks for the input [03:38] <|QuaD-> tseng: me too [03:39] later, motus === herzi [~herzi@d059188.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [~janc@JanC.member.lugwv] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC09E9.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:16] hi [04:17] morn' === HostingGeek [~HG@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [~jaldhar@pcp09354467pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC09E9.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rem_ [~rem@adsl-136-116-bs2.tiscali.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mbeattie [~mbeattie@ool-4355f1f7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stuNNed [~implosion@69.17.126.228] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stuNNed [~implosion@69.17.126.228] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC14F7.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [~jm__@202.172.110.163] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC16B6.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fwiffo [~fwiffo@dhcpserver0.oersted.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fwiffo_ [~fwiffo@dhcpserver0.oersted.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.151] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax6-101.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [~janc@dD5764BBC.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:07] hi all :) [10:07] <\sh> moins [10:07] anyone interested in e17 packages for ubuntu? [10:11] I am certain you could get someone on #ubuntu interested [10:12] :) [10:12] these packages are not ready for users yet [10:12] this is just testing.. [10:12] those on #ubuntu don't really care if it is total crack, it seems [10:13] :) [10:15] <\sh> oh ... wonder...i can sell debian sarge boxes :) === JanC [~janc@JanC.member.lugwv] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thesaltydog [~pippo@62.211.45.57] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LordKahless [~kahless@66-215-34-156.hes-dcbi.charterpipeline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:28] anyone think they could help me? i have some kernel source i'd like to compile into a .deb file [10:29] ah, kernel source you say now.. [10:29] not kernel [10:29] but just regular program source [10:29] transcode to be exact [10:29] wasn't transcode already packaged somewhere? [10:29] i can't find an ubuntu package for it, and a package i want in multiverse depends on it [10:30] <\sh> ajmitch: marillat [10:30] <\sh> LordKahless: transcode can't be shipped in multiverse [10:31] will the marillat reposatories work with ubuntu? i thought they only liked vanilla debian [10:31] <\sh> LordKahless: i never used marillat [10:32] well i have the transcode source, is there a way i can make a .deb file from it? [10:32] marillat is for vanilla debian is has been known to break things [10:32] LordKahless: is it deb source or plain transcode source? [10:32] Amaranth: apt-get source + rebuild tends to work [10:32] LordKahless: (does it have a debian dir) [10:33] it doesnt [10:33] plain transcode source [10:34] is there any hope? :) [10:34] um [10:34] <\sh> LordKahless: insert the marillat sources inyour apt sources.list [10:34] apt-get source from marillat [10:35] <\sh> and apt-get source transcode [10:35] <\sh> and rebuild the source package [10:35] <\sh> and in the end, u will break something [10:35] :/ [10:35] well if i jsut compile the source, (make, make install.. etc..) will it satisfy the dependancies? [10:36] or will i have to force it to install? [10:36] it won't satisfy the dependencies [10:36] because the transcode package didn't get installed [10:36] is there a way i can make a package without breaking something? [10:37] apt-get source transcode is less likely to break something then make install [10:39] i get 404 errors from marillat sources :) === Danten [~danten@h238n9c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:39] LordKahless: yes, the real server needs to be sync'ed with the storage server.. [10:40] it's on th enews. [10:40] bah [10:40] so anything else i could do? heh === janm [~jm__@202.172.110.241] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:41] there has to be some way to compile it into a deb file === Danten [~danten@h238n9c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === trulux [~lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax6-245.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fwiffo_ [~fwiffo@dhcpserver0.oersted.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mbeattie [~mbeattie@ool-4355f1f7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rem_ [~rem@adsl-136-116-bs2.tiscali.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax6-245.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.151] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fwiffo [~fwiffo@dhcpserver0.oersted.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tepsipakki [~tjaalton@replicant.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [~mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [~travis@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [~travis@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:46] yay one step closer [12:46] to beagle ootb === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.151] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:07] yay === susus [~sz@p5089F7AA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Danten [~danten@h188n10c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-194-124.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Danten [~danten@h188n10c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jamessan|work [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thesaltydog [~pippo@62.211.45.57] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:19] Hi, I need help in understanding some issue concerning changelog... [02:19] what about? [02:19] I need to have 2 changelogs: changelo.Debian.gz and changelog.gz [02:19] the second one holds all past release changelogs [02:20] the first one, the new ubuntu version changelogs [02:20] I have made several tries, even putting dh_installchangelogs -k in ruels, [02:20] but it doesn't work. Always just one changelog [02:20] ? [02:22] (If [02:22] files named debian/package.changelog exist, they will be used in preference [02:22] to debian/changelog.) [02:22] what if you make debian/foo.changelog and list both? [02:22] then call dh_installchangelog [02:22] im just guessing. [02:23] are you meaning that in the /debian dir I should put /debian/changelog and /debian/package.changelog? [02:24] package.changelog lists the names of changelogs you want to install [02:24] similiar to package.docs or package.install [02:24] didn't know that [02:24] im just reading the man page [02:24] in debian dir? [02:24] sure [02:25] i am guessing [02:25] package.changelog [02:25] ChangeLog [02:25] debian/changelog [02:25] something like this [02:25] I have tried ChangeLog, but still doesn't work [02:27] anyway, maybe the -k option is not useful in dh_installchangelogs [02:28] I have seen that synaptic has this double changelog for the same reason I need.. [02:28] you should only use the -k option if you need the changelog to keep the same filename as in the source package. otherwise, it'll be named changelog and changelog.Debian [02:28] ok [02:29] I'll go and make some tries. Thanks. [02:30] thesaltydog: does the upstream package have a changelog? [02:30] I have put a file named ChangeLog in the source directory [02:31] with no luck.. [02:32] and you have changelog in debian/, right? [02:32] or package.changelog [02:32] yes [02:32] debian/changelog [02:33] "dh_installchangelogs ChangeLog" should work [02:33] make a try right now.. [02:34] GREAT! It worked out!! [02:34] jamessan, hugs [02:35] tseng, hugs [02:35] :) [02:35] back to coding.. thanks mates! === thesaltydog [~pippo@62.211.45.57] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fwiffo_ [~fwiffo@dhcpserver0.oersted.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] jamessan, I've put the new files in the upstream dir.. [02:44] hi all [02:45] \sh: pong === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:48] hi all! [02:48] hey === ozamosi [~ozamosi@h15n5c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:50] <\sh> Unfrgiven: u read my mail? :) === ivoks [~ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] \sh: yep replied already too [02:54] :) [02:54] \sh: yes, i updated [02:54] im just doing the remaining ones now [02:55] <\sh> xorg*-23 is not on the servers right now :( [02:55] eh... [02:55] :( [02:57] \sh: hows things otherwise? [02:58] <\sh> I'm a bit stressed because of my normal work... [02:58] <\sh> http://stats.blogweb.de/linux/index.html [02:58] <\sh> jesus [03:00] \sh: ?!?! whats with the link? [03:01] <\sh> Unfrgiven: u see the increase of the hits? [03:01] \sh: yeah whats the reason? [03:01] <\sh> Unfrgiven: the planet ;) [03:01] \sh: ah cool :) [03:02] <\sh> and on articles: kubuntu-asses 410 official hits ;) [03:02] <\sh> thats record [03:02] see you guys [03:06] \sh: ok debdiffs are done... im just doing pbuilder builds to sanity check now [03:06] \sh: ace still isnt done as it FTBFS... i havent had the time to write a patch yet [03:07] \sh: and gmetadom is still waiting on a ocaml binary [03:07] \sh: can we move forward without ace and gmetadom? [03:10] <\sh> Unfrgiven: u can upload or should i get the diffs and upload? [03:10] \sh: well im not a MOTU yet... so i can't upload :( [03:10] i havent created the bugs on bugzilla yet [03:10] ill do so now === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo notes that beagled takes an awful amount of time to kill if you're using beagle-shutdown instead of CTRL+C ;-) === thesaltydog [~pippo@62.211.45.57] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:20] any help to upgrade-package procedure? [03:24] <\sh> me's gone for a while... [03:24] \sh: ok [03:24] \sh: im creating bugs and updating the wiki [03:24] \sh: is that all? === thesaltydog [~pippo@62.211.45.57] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ozamosi [~ozamosi@h208n2c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:28] source: native-package-with-dash-version [03:28] ?? [03:28] This is after a debuild -S -sa [03:30] any suggestion? === mgalvin [~mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:39] any help for a package upgrade procedure? [03:43] ? === motaboy [~motaboy@host105-39.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:44] ivoks: could you help me with a package im transitioning? [03:45] ivoks: the debdiff looks sane to me but the pbuilder build is failing. [03:45] sure, if I can [03:45] thesaltydog: make sure the original tarball is in your parent directory following the naming scheme: pacakge_version.orig.tar.gz [03:46] ivoks: http://ankur.ath.cx/dev/ode_0.5-3ubuntu1.debdiff [03:46] jamessan, just one difference.. between package and version should it be a dash (-) or underscore(_)? [03:46] Unfrgiven: how does it fail? [03:46] underscore [03:46] ok. and then run bebuild -S -sa [03:46] debuil [03:46] debuild? [03:47] ivoks: cp: cannot create regular file `debian/libode0/usr/lib/libode.so.0': No such file or directory [03:47] ivoks: thats coming from debian/rules [03:47] Unfrgiven: eh... [03:47] ivoks: but i dont see how the contents of that debdiff can possibly change it [03:47] Unfrgiven: debdiff didn't change it... that's the problem [03:48] Unfrgiven: there is some stuff in debian/rules [03:48] ivoks: oh! [03:48] thesaltydog: sure [03:48] Unfrgiven: packager probably harcoded libode0 somewhere in it [03:48] Unfrgiven: you should check that file [03:48] jamessan, there should be something still wrong.. I tell you what I did: === mitsuhiko [~mitsuhiko@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:48] jamessan, I was in the need to upgrade to v 1.3.0, [03:49] ivoks: ARGH! you're right... thats the problem! OMG thats terrible [03:49] Unfrgiven: fix it :) [03:49] ivoks: thanks for your help! ill test it with the change now [03:49] np [03:49] ivoks: i dunno enough to fix it :( [03:49] jamessan, so I have put the new tarball in bum_1-3-0_0ubuntu1.orig.tar.gz [03:49] ? [03:49] Unfrgiven: put that rules somewhere, i'll check it [03:49] jamessan, I have then upgrade the source files in the soruce dir. [03:50] svn rulz [03:50] jamessan, then I have run dch -v 1.3.0-0ubuntu1 [03:50] jamessan, chande changelog [03:50] ivoks: http://ankur.ath.cx/dev/rules [03:50] jamessan, and run debuild -S -sa [03:50] jamessan, but still getting the "native" warning. [03:50] thesaltydog: why is the orig tarball named bum_1-3-0_0ubuntu1.orig.tar.gz? that doesn't follow the format pacakge_version.orig.tar.gz [03:51] Unfrgiven: cp -a lib/libode*.so.* debian/libode0/usr/lib/ [03:51] <\sh> ivoks: thats it [03:51] Unfrgiven: should be cp -a lib/libode*.so.* debian/libode0c2/usr/lib/ [03:51] ivoks: yeah i found the offending line and fixed that [03:51] ivoks: but i thought you knew a more generic way [03:51] lol [03:51] jamessan, you told me before, to put the underscore bewteen version and release [03:51] there is no generic way [03:51] ivoks: as in a way to avoid hardcoding the package name :) with an environment var or something [03:52] <\sh> Unfrgiven: i will check all your bugentries and upload them tonight [03:52] some put libname-$(VERSION) [03:52] \sh: thanks a lot. [03:52] <\sh> right now, we have a bloody problem with our SI server again [03:52] so you have to make it libname-$(VERSION)c2 [03:52] etc.. [03:52] ivoks: hmm... ill test that in my own time [03:52] so, basicly, there is no generic way [03:52] jamessan, ok so the oprig should be just bum_1.3.0.orig.tar.gz [03:52] jamessan, but I tried also this.. [03:52] ivoks: good idea though :) i am just rushed to wrap this up now and dont wanna experiment with stuff === ajmitch will try & update wiki/bugzilla in the morning with cxx stuff he's done, for now, sleep time (2am) === mort [~moritz@80-219-6-182.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:53] \sh: in other words, don't worry, I am still alive & doing stuff :) [03:53] <\sh> ajmitch: g'night :) [03:53] jamessan, dpkg-buildpackage: source only upload: Debian-native package [03:53] <\sh> ajmitch: hahahaha :) [03:53] jamessan, W: bum source: native-package-with-dash-version [03:54] ajmitch: good night [03:54] <\sh> ajmitch: i think i'll have to check how expensive the flights from .de to .nz are... [03:55] \sh: ok im about to head off to bed as well... just waiting for a successful pbuilder build of ode and ill be done for the night... gmetadom and ace remain pending for reasons stated. [03:55] thesaltydog: I'm not sure, then [03:56] <\sh> Unfrgiven: ocaml can be fixed shortly, if daniels modified and fixed the issues in xorg*-23 [03:57] ;..( [03:57] <\sh> Unfrgiven: i will try then this ocaml-findlib [03:57] i still can't upload [03:57] !seen daniel_n [03:57] you masters don't even have a bot? [03:57] \sh: sure thing, no problem. [03:57] maybe trustpath isn't strong enough? [03:57] \sh: by the way im feeling a lot more confident with my MOTU work now :) [03:57] jamessan, fixed... I was putting a dash instead of an underscore between and !! Sorry and thanks! [03:58] <\sh> Unfrgiven: me too :) [03:58] :) [03:58] \sh: i'm hoping that i will be accepted as a MOTU at the next TB. [03:58] <\sh> Unfrgiven: sure :) === jamessan|work could host a bot if people wanted it [03:58] \sh: :) [03:58] <\sh> jamessan|work: no :) === Unfrgiven agrees with \sh [03:59] <\sh> we should compile a list with all motus and their IM addresses [03:59] <\sh> I could setup a special vhost for a jabber service :) [03:59] ok :) [04:00] \sh: hehe [04:00] <\sh> ubuntu.sourcecode.de ;) [04:00] \sh: try to get motu.ubuntu.com or something ;-) [04:00] <\sh> or I can order a new domain: ubuntu-motu.org ,-> === ozamosi [~ozamosi@h147n3c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:00] <\sh> Nafallo: nice idea [04:01] <\sh> i will raise it :) [04:01] :-) [04:01] <\sh> jabber.ubuntu.com is also nice :) and a new marketing gag :) [04:02] hehe [04:02] \sh: ok i've updated the wiki and uploaded the debdiffs to bugzilla. === ivoks needs sponsor for uploading to universe [04:02] \sh: on that note, ill head off to sleep... if theres anything wrong could you email me? ill check in the morning and address any problems ASAP. === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:03] <\sh> Unfrgiven: nice :) i grab them all tonight and upload them...updating bugzillla, when some errors occured or i put positive message inside [04:03] <\sh> Unfrgiven: ok..will do [04:03] \sh: :D [04:03] good night all [04:03] \sh: could I ask you one favour? [04:03] Unfrgiven: night [04:03] <\sh> ivoks: should i upload your stuff as well? ,-) [04:04] <\sh> or wifi-radar? [04:04] wifi-radar only :) [04:04] everything else is allready uploaded [04:04] but... opencv is *wrong* [04:04] what happend... [04:04] <\sh> ivoks: i'll do my reviewing time also this evenin..kdebluetooth, wifi-radar etc. [04:04] anyone can have a look at BUM package upstream? [04:04] sid had opencv newer then it has it now [04:04] <\sh> ivoks: sync it [04:04] they reverted old version [04:04] but... [04:04] it is in MOTUNewPackages [04:05] newer version is allready in ubuntu archives [04:05] so... opencv should be kicked out [04:06] and one more thing... [04:07] \sh: could you check trustpath from my PGP to yours and vice versa and tell me is it ok? [04:07] <\sh> ivoks: id? [04:08] 1024D/D3BDA225 [04:09] <\sh> ivoks: is it on the keyservers? [04:09] <\sh> ah have it [04:09] yes [04:14] <\sh> ivoks: http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/mk_path.cgi?FROM=0xC098EFA8&TO=0xD3BDA225&PATHS=trust+paths [04:15] how do I check a trust path? [04:15] it looks good to me [04:16] <\sh> for me too === Danten [~danten@h225n5c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:18] nev mind [04:18] IE6 has tabs :) === hawk_78 [~hawk@82.53.57.64] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:21] ivoks: mozilla hade it earlier ;-) [04:21] Nafallo: didn't know that :) [04:21] but the point is that they didn't tell anyone ie6 will have tabs [04:21] s/e// ;-) [04:21] they said ie7 will have [04:22] ivoks: they might use gecko? ;-) [04:22] hehe [04:22] no [04:22] gecko has nothing to do with tabs [04:23] I was more on the "they stole this, they might have stolen that" approach ;-) [04:23] i know [04:23] <\sh> ok...going home...cu later [04:23] \sh: laters [04:24] baah [04:24] bye [04:25] can't the damn rain stop for a minute. I need to buy food and a cd-rw :-P. [04:25] you just gotta love lidl ;-) [04:25] they got everything a geek needs :-) [04:25] including laptops ;-) [04:26] http://process-of-elimination.net/?q=kde_3_5_observations [04:26] kde3.5 takes some gnome stuff :) [04:26] like "add applets" dialog :) [04:30] time to go home.. [04:30] .see u [04:36] i wonder how much KDE users would hate me if i made smeg depend on python2.4-gnome2 [04:37] Amaranth: KDE users should use smek or something ;-) [04:37] Nafallo: smeg doesn't stand for anything anymore ;) [04:38] it just describes what the menu spec makes me do [04:38] Sweak. [04:38] err, Swear [04:38] Amaranth: baah. I will always know what it stands for. it's hardcoded in my brain now :-). [04:38] Nafallo: the acronym was just a way of saying i didn't name it smeg because i thought it sounded cool :) [04:39] hehe === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.94.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GheRivero [~ghe@hiscpdprx01.upsa.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:41] Amaranth, smeg is gtk, no? [04:41] Burgundavia: yeah [04:42] then why are you worrying about kde users? [04:42] because GTK works on KDE? [04:42] i have KDE users [04:43] smeg is a _LOT_ better than kmenuedit [04:43] ah [04:44] i have XFCE users too, i guess [04:44] more if Xubuntu gets off the ground [04:44] so depending on GNOMEy things is probably a bad idea [05:16] hi [05:16] hi tseng :-) === herzi [~herzi@d079178.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [~magru@as1-1-7.t.lk.bonet.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lamont [~lamont@15.238.6.115] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0583.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:09] X are here :) YAY! === bddebian [~bddebian@user216-178-65-218.netcarrier.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:39] Heya [06:40] hi === ivoks needs help :( [06:50] with? [06:52] with opensceenegraph [06:52] scenegraph [06:52] cxx transition [06:53] question: if I backport libc6 to the breezy version will it cause any problems in normal hoary apps? [06:53] :)) [06:53] yes [06:54] first of all dependecy problems [06:54] why will it cause dependency problems? [06:55] if something depends on glibc - doesnt it usuallty dpeend on a certain version or higher? [06:55] i'm sure there are packages that depend on = hoary version of libc === DanielN [~kodiak@80-218-243-68.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:56] Mez: d/w breezy libc6 and try to install it [06:56] hi folks :) [06:56] hi DanielN [06:56] d/w [06:56] ? [06:56] download [06:56] d/l [06:56] :P [06:56] or whatever :) [06:56] I'm trying to backport it :D [06:56] what's to backport? [06:57] that's essential lib [06:57] yeah [06:57] depends only on libdb1-compat [06:57] gnupg... requires a higher version of libc6 than is inb ubuntu [06:58] gnupg? [06:58] so I'm going to need to backport THAT first :D [06:58] yes gnupg [06:58] http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/utils/gnupg [06:58] http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/utils/gnupg [06:58] look at the libc6 version deps [06:58] tseng: ping [06:58] you didn't understand me.. [06:58] why do you want to backport gnupg? [06:59] because the version in hoary is tragically out of date [06:59] and new version has...? [07:00] what new? :) [07:00] so, you are telling me that you can't compile gnupg 1.4 with libc that's in breezy? [07:00] pardon, hoary [07:01] i mean... breezy has 2.3.4 libc, and hoary 2.3.2 [07:01] this is not so big diff.. [07:02] hoary has 2.3.2 [07:02] breezy 2.3.5 [07:02] .4 [07:02] ok, maybe .5 :) [07:02] gnupg in breezy depends on >=.4 [07:02] Mez: of course it does [07:02] .2 < .4 [07:03] but gnupg doesn't depend on 2.3.2 [07:03] listen [07:03] if you are backporting some package [07:03] idea is to compile it with libs that are allready in hoary [07:03] so, you have to change version of libc on which gnupg is depending [07:04] and other librariers [07:04] feck [07:04] sorry [07:04] I'm being an idioty [07:04] you have to make gnupg depend on libs only in hoary [07:04] :) [07:05] yeah [07:06] and of course it's going to fecking work [07:06] :) [07:06] because it depends on 2.3.2 in debian === Mez slaps himself [07:06] http://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/gnupg [07:06] i'm sure it will work with any 2.3 [07:06] if not any 2.x [07:06] I'm half awake [07:06] though I'm going to bp from deb stable :D [07:06] cause it's higher than breezy [07:08] time to eat something... [07:08] see you [07:10] DanielN: yes? [07:11] Mez: dude what is the deal with the mono backport? [07:11] tseng: would it be enough, to have the gpg signed by a friend, who has signed his key by a debian devel? [07:11] tseng - I've no idea :D I just do backports every now and then [07:12] well i seem to recall at the meeting that there would be no more mono backports, or libraries or interpreters in general [07:12] oh well. [07:12] DanielN: Yes. [07:12] DanielN: hm yeah [07:12] great :) [07:12] tseng: they 'backported' azureus too [07:13] Amaranth: yeah, i use the word backport loosely now [07:13] if things not in breezy would be put in hoary-extras it'd make things easier [07:13] i could just say "don't use that" and not tell people to completely ignore backports [07:14] i dont see a reason to seperate the distinction if they arent going to follow the basic rules [07:14] ill ask why it is still there when he pops up next [07:20] It'll be gone I think when they move to the properly "official" status [07:20] but at the moment.. he's just carrying on as normal (I think) [07:24] ok. === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.94.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [~aks@CPE0013104c07d6-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mez [~mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:12] so what do MOTU's do for packages that are in debian, but not in universe... [08:12] we ask elmo nicely to sync it [08:12] or wait [08:13] lol fair enough [08:13] and you package other things ? [08:13] and become the "maintainer" for that package? [08:14] erm the goal of the MOTU is not just to introduce as many new packages as we can find [08:14] a bigger responsibility is to help the 100s we already have build and run on ubuntu === Amaranth [~travis@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mfgalizi [~mfgalizi@CPE000f66e3da54-CM000f9f7770aa.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:15] as in ubuntu-specific packages? [08:15] mez, with the removal of the "run application" from upstream, all applications that should need a .desktop file, if you are interested [08:15] so basically patch them up and fix them to work with ubuntu [08:16] Hello, I would like to get a package added. I was told I should be coming here [08:16] Burgundavia, huh ? [08:16] Burgundavia: as in gnomes run application was removed? === motaboy [~motaboy@host242-3.pool80183.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:16] mez, the .desktop file tells gnome/kde where to place the application in the menu [08:16] Lathiat, yes [08:16] Burgundavia: oh, interesting [08:17] Burgundavia, am I allowed to use smeg :P === Burgundavia was not aware that smeg now added .desktop files to source pacakges [08:17] mfgalizi, what would you like added? [08:18] Burgundavia, I thought ti created them ? [08:18] *shrugs* === mez hasnt used smeg [08:18] mez, it creates them for the current user [08:18] it doesn't change the source package it install them by default [08:18]