[01:07] <dholbach> good night everybody - sleep tight
[03:21] <|QuaD-_> tseng: whatever you did to beagle, it is a huge improvement
[03:23] <tseng> its still not done
[03:23] <tseng> it needs a few fixes in other packages
[03:23] <tseng> but we are getting close.
[03:25] <abarbaccia> hey all - does cdrecord in breezy support devices besides scsi?
[03:28] <|QuaD-_> tseng: it is a lot better then the original 0.10 release
[03:29] <whiprush> indeed, much better
[03:30] <whiprush> I can run it for days now
[03:30] <whiprush> it eventually blows up, but it's getting way better
[03:38] <|QuaD-> tseng: i shouldn't have talked soo soon, crashed my comp
[03:38] <|QuaD-> lol
[03:38] <tseng> heh
[03:38] <tseng> i think its about time for bed
[03:38] <tseng> thanks for the input
[03:38] <|QuaD-> tseng: me too
[03:39] <tseng> later, motus
[04:16] <ajmitch> hi
[04:17] <crimsun> morn'
[10:07] <ivoks> hi all :)
[10:07] <\sh> moins
[10:07] <ivoks> anyone interested in e17 packages for ubuntu?
[10:11] <Burgundavia> I am certain you could get someone on #ubuntu interested
[10:12] <ivoks> :)
[10:12] <ivoks> these packages are not ready for users yet
[10:12] <ivoks> this is just testing..
[10:12] <Burgundavia> those on #ubuntu don't really care if it is total crack, it seems
[10:13] <ivoks> :)
[10:15] <\sh> oh ... wonder...i can sell debian sarge boxes :)
[10:28] <LordKahless> anyone think they could help me? i have some kernel source i'd like to compile into a .deb file
[10:29] <ajmitch> ah, kernel source you say now..
[10:29] <LordKahless> not kernel
[10:29] <LordKahless> but just regular program source
[10:29] <LordKahless> transcode to be exact
[10:29] <ajmitch> wasn't transcode already packaged somewhere?
[10:29] <LordKahless> i can't find an ubuntu package for it, and a package i want in multiverse depends on it
[10:30] <\sh> ajmitch: marillat
[10:30] <\sh> LordKahless: transcode can't be shipped in multiverse
[10:31] <LordKahless> will the marillat reposatories work with ubuntu? i thought they only liked vanilla debian
[10:31] <\sh> LordKahless: i never used marillat
[10:32] <LordKahless> well i have the transcode source, is there a way i can make a .deb file from it?
[10:32] <Amaranth> marillat is for vanilla debian is has been known to break things
[10:32] <Amaranth> LordKahless: is it deb source or plain transcode source?
[10:32] <Treenaks> Amaranth: apt-get source + rebuild tends to work
[10:32] <Amaranth> LordKahless: (does it have a debian dir)
[10:33] <LordKahless> it doesnt
[10:33] <LordKahless> plain transcode source
[10:34] <LordKahless> is there any hope? :)
[10:34] <Amaranth> um
[10:34] <\sh> LordKahless: insert the marillat sources inyour apt sources.list
[10:34] <Amaranth> apt-get source from marillat
[10:35] <\sh> and apt-get source transcode
[10:35] <\sh> and rebuild the source package
[10:35] <\sh> and in the end, u will break something
[10:35] <LordKahless> :/
[10:35] <LordKahless> well if i jsut compile the source, (make, make install.. etc..) will it satisfy the dependancies?
[10:36] <LordKahless> or will i have to force it to install?
[10:36] <Amaranth> it won't satisfy the dependencies
[10:36] <Amaranth> because the transcode package didn't get installed
[10:36] <LordKahless> is there a way i can make a package without breaking something?
[10:37] <Amaranth> apt-get source transcode is less likely to break something then make install
[10:39] <LordKahless> i get 404 errors from marillat sources :)
[10:39] <blueyed> LordKahless: yes, the real server needs to be sync'ed with the storage server..
[10:40] <blueyed> it's on th enews.
[10:40] <LordKahless> bah
[10:40] <LordKahless> so anything else i could do? heh
[10:41] <LordKahless> there has to be some way to compile it into a deb file
[12:46] <tseng> yay one step closer
[12:46] <tseng> to beagle ootb
[01:07] <Amaranth> yay
[02:19] <thesaltydog> Hi, I need help in understanding some issue concerning changelog...
[02:19] <tseng> what about?
[02:19] <thesaltydog> I need to have 2 changelogs: changelo.Debian.gz and changelog.gz
[02:19] <thesaltydog> the second one holds all past release changelogs
[02:20] <thesaltydog> the first one, the new ubuntu version changelogs
[02:20] <thesaltydog> I have made several tries, even putting dh_installchangelogs -k in ruels,
[02:20] <thesaltydog> but it doesn't work. Always just one changelog
[02:20] <thesaltydog> ?
[02:22] <tseng> (If
[02:22] <tseng>        files named debian/package.changelog exist, they will be used in preference
[02:22] <tseng>        to debian/changelog.)
[02:22] <tseng> what if you make debian/foo.changelog and list both?
[02:22] <tseng> then call dh_installchangelog
[02:22] <tseng> im just guessing.
[02:23] <thesaltydog> are you meaning that in the /debian dir I should put /debian/changelog and /debian/package.changelog?
[02:24] <tseng> package.changelog lists the names of changelogs you want to install
[02:24] <tseng> similiar to package.docs or package.install
[02:24] <thesaltydog> didn't know that
[02:24] <tseng> im just reading the man page
[02:24] <thesaltydog> in  debian dir?
[02:24] <tseng> sure
[02:25] <tseng> i am guessing
[02:25] <tseng> package.changelog
[02:25] <tseng> ChangeLog
[02:25] <tseng> debian/changelog
[02:25] <tseng> something like this
[02:25] <thesaltydog> I have tried ChangeLog, but still doesn't work
[02:27] <thesaltydog> anyway, maybe the -k option is not useful in dh_installchangelogs
[02:28] <thesaltydog> I have seen that synaptic has this double changelog for the same reason I need..
[02:28] <jamessan|work> you should only use the -k option if you need the changelog to keep the same filename as in the source package. otherwise, it'll be named changelog and changelog.Debian
[02:28] <thesaltydog> ok
[02:29] <thesaltydog> I'll go and make some tries. Thanks.
[02:30] <jamessan|work> thesaltydog: does the upstream package have a changelog?
[02:30] <thesaltydog> I have put a file named ChangeLog in the source directory
[02:31] <thesaltydog> with no luck..
[02:32] <jamessan|work> and you have changelog in debian/, right?
[02:32] <jamessan|work> or package.changelog
[02:32] <thesaltydog> yes
[02:32] <thesaltydog>  debian/changelog
[02:33] <jamessan|work> "dh_installchangelogs ChangeLog" should work
[02:33] <thesaltydog> make a try right now..
[02:34] <thesaltydog> GREAT! It worked out!!
[02:34] <thesaltydog> jamessan, hugs
[02:35] <thesaltydog> tseng, hugs
[02:35] <jamessan|work> :)
[02:35] <thesaltydog> back to coding.. thanks mates!
[02:44] <thesaltydog> jamessan, I've put the new files in the upstream dir..
[02:44] <Unfrgiven> hi all
[02:45] <Unfrgiven> \sh: pong
[02:48] <Nafallo> hi all!
[02:48] <tseng> hey
[02:50] <\sh> Unfrgiven: u read my mail? :)
[02:54] <Unfrgiven> \sh: yep replied already too
[02:54] <Unfrgiven> :)
[02:54] <ivoks> \sh: yes, i updated
[02:54] <Unfrgiven> im just doing the remaining ones now
[02:55] <\sh> xorg*-23 is not on the servers right now :(
[02:55] <ivoks> eh...
[02:55] <ivoks> :(
[02:57] <Unfrgiven> \sh: hows things otherwise?
[02:58] <\sh> I'm a bit stressed because of my normal work...
[02:58] <\sh> http://stats.blogweb.de/linux/index.html
[02:58] <\sh> jesus
[03:00] <Unfrgiven> \sh: ?!?! whats with the link?
[03:01] <\sh> Unfrgiven: u see the increase of the hits?
[03:01] <Unfrgiven> \sh: yeah whats the reason?
[03:01] <\sh> Unfrgiven: the planet ;)
[03:01] <Unfrgiven> \sh: ah cool :)
[03:02] <\sh> and on articles: kubuntu-asses 410 official hits ;)
[03:02] <\sh> thats record
[03:02] <ivoks> see you guys
[03:06] <Unfrgiven> \sh: ok debdiffs are done... im just doing pbuilder builds to sanity check now
[03:06] <Unfrgiven> \sh: ace still isnt done as it FTBFS... i havent had the time to write a patch yet
[03:07] <Unfrgiven> \sh: and gmetadom is still waiting on a ocaml binary
[03:07] <Unfrgiven> \sh: can we move forward without ace and gmetadom?
[03:10] <\sh> Unfrgiven: u can upload or should i get the diffs and upload?
[03:10] <Unfrgiven> \sh: well im not a MOTU yet... so i can't upload :(
[03:10] <Unfrgiven> i havent created the bugs on bugzilla yet
[03:10] <Unfrgiven> ill do so now
[03:20] <thesaltydog> any help to upgrade-package procedure?
[03:24] <\sh> me's gone for a while...
[03:24] <Unfrgiven> \sh: ok
[03:24] <Unfrgiven> \sh: im creating bugs and updating the wiki
[03:24] <Unfrgiven> \sh: is that all?
[03:28] <thesaltydog> source: native-package-with-dash-version
[03:28] <thesaltydog> ??
[03:28] <thesaltydog> This is after a debuild -S -sa
[03:30] <thesaltydog> any suggestion?
[03:39] <thesaltydog> any help for a package upgrade procedure?
[03:43] <ivoks> ?
[03:44] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: could you help me with a package im transitioning?
[03:45] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: the debdiff looks sane to me but the pbuilder build is failing.
[03:45] <ivoks> sure, if I can
[03:45] <jamessan|work> thesaltydog: make sure the original tarball is in your parent directory following the naming scheme: pacakge_version.orig.tar.gz
[03:46] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: http://ankur.ath.cx/dev/ode_0.5-3ubuntu1.debdiff
[03:46] <thesaltydog> jamessan, just one difference.. between package and version should it be a dash (-) or underscore(_)?
[03:46] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: how does it fail?
[03:46] <jamessan|work> underscore
[03:46] <thesaltydog> ok. and then run bebuild -S -sa
[03:46] <thesaltydog> debuil
[03:46] <thesaltydog> debuild?
[03:47] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: cp: cannot create regular file `debian/libode0/usr/lib/libode.so.0': No such file or directory
[03:47] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: thats coming from debian/rules
[03:47] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: eh...
[03:47] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: but i dont see how the contents of that debdiff can possibly change it
[03:47] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: debdiff didn't change it... that's the problem
[03:48] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: there is some stuff in debian/rules
[03:48] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: oh!
[03:48] <jamessan|work> thesaltydog: sure
[03:48] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: packager probably harcoded libode0 somewhere in it
[03:48] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: you should check that file
[03:48] <thesaltydog> jamessan, there should be something still wrong.. I tell you what I did:
[03:48] <thesaltydog> jamessan, I was in the need to upgrade to v 1.3.0,
[03:49] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: ARGH! you're right... thats the problem! OMG thats terrible
[03:49] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: fix it :)
[03:49] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: thanks for your help! ill test it with the change now
[03:49] <ivoks> np
[03:49] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: i dunno enough to fix it :(
[03:49] <thesaltydog> jamessan, so I have put the new tarball in bum_1-3-0_0ubuntu1.orig.tar.gz
[03:49] <ivoks> ?
[03:49] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: put that rules somewhere, i'll check it
[03:49] <thesaltydog> jamessan, I have then upgrade the source files in the soruce dir.
[03:50] <ivoks> svn rulz
[03:50] <thesaltydog> jamessan, then I have run dch -v 1.3.0-0ubuntu1
[03:50] <thesaltydog> jamessan, chande changelog
[03:50] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: http://ankur.ath.cx/dev/rules
[03:50] <thesaltydog> jamessan, and run debuild -S -sa
[03:50] <thesaltydog> jamessan, but still getting the "native" warning.
[03:50] <jamessan|work> thesaltydog: why is the orig tarball named bum_1-3-0_0ubuntu1.orig.tar.gz? that doesn't follow the format pacakge_version.orig.tar.gz
[03:51] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: cp -a lib/libode*.so.* debian/libode0/usr/lib/
[03:51] <\sh> ivoks: thats it
[03:51] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: should be cp -a lib/libode*.so.* debian/libode0c2/usr/lib/
[03:51] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: yeah i found the offending line and fixed that
[03:51] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: but i thought you knew a more generic way
[03:51] <ivoks> lol
[03:51] <thesaltydog> jamessan, you told me before, to put the underscore bewteen version and release
[03:51] <ivoks> there is no generic way
[03:51] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: as in a way to avoid hardcoding the package name :) with an environment var or something
[03:52] <\sh> Unfrgiven: i will check all your bugentries and upload them tonight
[03:52] <ivoks> some put libname-$(VERSION)
[03:52] <Unfrgiven> \sh: thanks a lot.
[03:52] <\sh> right now, we have a bloody problem with our SI server again
[03:52] <ivoks> so you have to make it libname-$(VERSION)c2
[03:52] <ivoks> etc..
[03:52] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: hmm... ill test that in my own time
[03:52] <ivoks> so, basicly, there is no generic way
[03:52] <thesaltydog> jamessan, ok so the oprig should be just bum_1.3.0.orig.tar.gz
[03:52] <thesaltydog> jamessan, but I tried also this..
[03:52] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: good idea though :) i am just rushed to wrap this up now and dont wanna experiment with stuff
[03:53] <ajmitch> \sh: in other words, don't worry, I am still alive & doing stuff :)
[03:53] <\sh> ajmitch: g'night :)
[03:53] <thesaltydog> jamessan, dpkg-buildpackage: source only upload: Debian-native package
[03:53] <\sh> ajmitch: hahahaha :)
[03:53] <thesaltydog> jamessan, W: bum source: native-package-with-dash-version
[03:54] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: good night
[03:54] <\sh> ajmitch: i think i'll have to check how expensive the flights from .de to .nz are...
[03:55] <Unfrgiven> \sh: ok im about to head off to bed as well... just waiting for a successful pbuilder build of ode and ill be done for the night... gmetadom and ace remain pending for reasons stated.
[03:55] <jamessan|work> thesaltydog: I'm not sure, then
[03:56] <\sh> Unfrgiven: ocaml can be fixed shortly, if daniels modified and fixed the issues in xorg*-23
[03:57] <ivoks> ;..(
[03:57] <\sh> Unfrgiven: i will try then this ocaml-findlib
[03:57] <ivoks> i still can't upload
[03:57] <mort> !seen daniel_n
[03:57] <mort> you masters don't even have a bot?
[03:57] <Unfrgiven> \sh: sure thing, no problem.
[03:57] <ivoks> maybe trustpath isn't strong enough?
[03:57] <Unfrgiven> \sh: by the way im feeling a lot more confident with my MOTU work now :)
[03:57] <thesaltydog> jamessan, fixed... I was putting a dash instead of an underscore between <package> and <version>!! Sorry and thanks!
[03:58] <\sh> Unfrgiven: me too :)
[03:58] <jamessan|work> :)
[03:58] <Unfrgiven> \sh: i'm hoping that i will be accepted as a MOTU at the next TB.
[03:58] <\sh> Unfrgiven: sure :)
[03:58] <Unfrgiven> \sh: :)
[03:58] <\sh> jamessan|work: no :)
[03:59] <\sh> we should compile a list with all motus and their IM addresses
[03:59] <\sh> I could setup a special vhost for a jabber service :)
[03:59] <jamessan|work> ok  :)
[04:00] <Nafallo> \sh: hehe
[04:00] <\sh> ubuntu.sourcecode.de ;)
[04:00] <Nafallo> \sh: try to get motu.ubuntu.com or something ;-)
[04:00] <\sh> or I can order a new domain: ubuntu-motu.org ,->
[04:00] <\sh> Nafallo: nice idea
[04:01] <\sh> i will raise it :)
[04:01] <Nafallo> :-)
[04:01] <\sh> jabber.ubuntu.com is also nice :) and a new marketing gag :)
[04:02] <Nafallo> hehe
[04:02] <Unfrgiven> \sh: ok i've updated the wiki and uploaded the debdiffs to bugzilla.
[04:02] <Unfrgiven> \sh: on that note, ill head off to sleep... if theres anything wrong could you email me? ill check in the morning and address any problems ASAP.
[04:03] <\sh> Unfrgiven: nice :) i grab them all tonight and upload them...updating bugzillla, when some errors occured or i put positive message inside
[04:03] <\sh> Unfrgiven: ok..will do
[04:03] <Unfrgiven> \sh: :D
[04:03] <Unfrgiven> good night all
[04:03] <ivoks> \sh: could I ask you one favour?
[04:03] <ivoks> Unfrgiven: night
[04:03] <\sh> ivoks: should i upload your stuff as well? ,-)
[04:04] <\sh> or wifi-radar?
[04:04] <ivoks> wifi-radar only :)
[04:04] <ivoks> everything else is allready uploaded
[04:04] <ivoks> but... opencv is *wrong*
[04:04] <ivoks> what happend...
[04:04] <\sh> ivoks: i'll do my reviewing time also this evenin..kdebluetooth, wifi-radar etc.
[04:04] <thesaltydog> anyone can have a look at BUM package upstream?
[04:04] <ivoks> sid had opencv newer then it has it now
[04:04] <\sh> ivoks: sync it
[04:04] <ivoks> they reverted old version
[04:04] <ivoks> but...
[04:04] <thesaltydog> it is in MOTUNewPackages
[04:05] <ivoks> newer version is allready in ubuntu archives
[04:05] <ivoks> so... opencv should be kicked out
[04:06] <ivoks> and one more thing...
[04:07] <ivoks> \sh: could you check trustpath from my PGP to yours and vice versa and tell me is it ok?
[04:07] <\sh> ivoks: id?
[04:08] <ivoks> 1024D/D3BDA225
[04:09] <\sh> ivoks: is it on the keyservers?
[04:09] <\sh> ah have it
[04:09] <ivoks> yes
[04:14] <\sh> ivoks: http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/mk_path.cgi?FROM=0xC098EFA8&TO=0xD3BDA225&PATHS=trust+paths
[04:15] <Burgundavia> how do I check a trust path?
[04:15] <ivoks> it looks good to me
[04:16] <\sh> for me too
[04:18] <Burgundavia> nev mind
[04:18] <ivoks> IE6 has tabs :)
[04:21] <Nafallo> ivoks: mozilla hade it earlier ;-)
[04:21] <ivoks> Nafallo: didn't know that :)
[04:21] <ivoks> but the point is that they didn't tell anyone ie6 will have tabs
[04:21] <Nafallo> s/e// ;-)
[04:21] <ivoks> they said ie7 will have
[04:22] <Nafallo> ivoks: they might use gecko? ;-)
[04:22] <ivoks> hehe
[04:22] <ivoks> no
[04:22] <ivoks> gecko has nothing to do with tabs
[04:23] <Nafallo> I was more on the "they stole this, they might have stolen that" approach ;-)
[04:23] <ivoks> i know
[04:23] <\sh> ok...going home...cu later
[04:23] <Nafallo> \sh: laters
[04:24] <Nafallo> baah
[04:24] <ivoks> bye
[04:25] <Nafallo> can't the damn rain stop for a minute. I need to buy food and a cd-rw :-P.
[04:25] <Nafallo> you just gotta love lidl ;-)
[04:25] <Nafallo> they got everything a geek needs :-)
[04:25] <Nafallo> including laptops ;-)
[04:26] <ivoks> http://process-of-elimination.net/?q=kde_3_5_observations
[04:26] <ivoks> kde3.5 takes some gnome stuff :)
[04:26] <ivoks> like "add applets" dialog :)
[04:30] <ivoks> time to go home..
[04:30] <ivoks> .see u
[04:36] <Amaranth> i wonder how much KDE users would hate me if i made smeg depend on python2.4-gnome2
[04:37] <Nafallo> Amaranth: KDE users should use smek or something ;-)
[04:37] <Amaranth> Nafallo: smeg doesn't stand for anything anymore ;)
[04:38] <Amaranth> it just describes what the menu spec makes me do
[04:38] <Amaranth> Sweak.
[04:38] <Amaranth> err, Swear
[04:38] <Nafallo> Amaranth: baah. I will always know what it stands for. it's hardcoded in my brain now :-).
[04:38] <Amaranth> Nafallo: the acronym was just a way of saying i didn't name it smeg because i thought it sounded cool :)
[04:39] <Nafallo> hehe
[04:41] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, smeg is gtk, no?
[04:41] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: yeah
[04:42] <Burgundavia> then why are you worrying about kde users?
[04:42] <Amaranth> because GTK works on KDE?
[04:42] <Amaranth> i have KDE users
[04:43] <Amaranth> smeg is a _LOT_ better than kmenuedit
[04:43] <Burgundavia> ah
[04:44] <Amaranth> i have XFCE users too, i guess
[04:44] <Burgundavia> more if Xubuntu gets off the ground
[04:44] <Amaranth> so depending on GNOMEy things is probably a bad idea
[05:16] <tseng> hi
[05:16] <Nafallo> hi tseng :-)
[06:09] <ivoks> X are here :) YAY!
[06:39] <bddebian> Heya
[06:40] <ivoks> hi
[06:50] <jamessan|work> with?
[06:52] <ivoks> with opensceenegraph
[06:52] <ivoks> scenegraph
[06:52] <ivoks> cxx transition
[06:53] <Mez> question: if I backport libc6 to the breezy version will it cause any problems in normal hoary apps?
[06:53] <ivoks> :))
[06:53] <ivoks> yes
[06:54] <ivoks> first of all dependecy problems
[06:54] <Mez> why will it cause dependency problems?
[06:55] <Mez> if something depends on glibc - doesnt it usuallty dpeend on a certain version or higher?
[06:55] <ivoks> i'm sure there are packages that depend on = hoary version of libc
[06:56] <ivoks> Mez: d/w breezy libc6 and try to install it
[06:56] <DanielN> hi folks :)
[06:56] <ivoks> hi DanielN
[06:56] <Mez> d/w
[06:56] <Mez> ?
[06:56] <ivoks> download
[06:56] <ivoks> d/l
[06:56] <Mez> :P
[06:56] <ivoks> or whatever :)
[06:56] <Mez> I'm trying to backport it :D
[06:56] <ivoks> what's to backport?
[06:57] <ivoks> that's essential lib
[06:57] <Mez> yeah
[06:57] <ivoks> depends only on libdb1-compat
[06:57] <Mez> gnupg... requires a higher version of libc6 than is inb ubuntu
[06:58] <ivoks> gnupg?
[06:58] <Mez> so I'm going to need to backport THAT first :D
[06:58] <Mez> yes gnupg
[06:58] <Mez> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/utils/gnupg
[06:58] <Mez> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/utils/gnupg
[06:58] <Mez> look at the libc6 version deps
[06:58] <DanielN> tseng: ping
[06:58] <ivoks> you didn't understand me..
[06:58] <ivoks> why do you want to backport gnupg?
[06:59] <Mez> because the version in hoary is tragically out of date
[06:59] <ivoks> and new version has...?
[07:00] <ivoks> what new? :)
[07:00] <ivoks> so, you are telling me that you can't compile gnupg 1.4 with libc that's in breezy?
[07:00] <ivoks> pardon, hoary
[07:01] <ivoks> i mean... breezy has 2.3.4 libc, and hoary 2.3.2
[07:01] <ivoks> this is not so big diff..
[07:02] <Mez> hoary has 2.3.2
[07:02] <Mez> breezy 2.3.5
[07:02] <ivoks> .4
[07:02] <ivoks> ok, maybe .5 :)
[07:02] <Mez> gnupg in breezy depends on >=.4
[07:02] <ivoks> Mez: of course it does
[07:02] <Mez> .2 < .4
[07:03] <ivoks> but gnupg doesn't depend on 2.3.2
[07:03] <ivoks> listen
[07:03] <ivoks> if you are backporting some package
[07:03] <ivoks> idea is to compile it with libs that are allready in hoary
[07:03] <ivoks> so, you have to change version of libc on which gnupg is depending
[07:04] <ivoks> and other librariers
[07:04] <Mez> feck
[07:04] <Mez> sorry
[07:04] <Mez> I'm being an idioty
[07:04] <ivoks> you have to make gnupg depend on libs only in hoary
[07:04] <ivoks> :)
[07:05] <Mez> yeah
[07:06] <Mez> and of course it's going to fecking work
[07:06] <ivoks> :)
[07:06] <Mez> because it depends on 2.3.2 in debian
[07:06] <Mez> http://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/gnupg
[07:06] <ivoks> i'm sure it will work with any 2.3
[07:06] <ivoks> if not any 2.x
[07:06] <Mez> I'm half awake
[07:06] <Mez> though I'm going to bp from deb stable :D
[07:06] <Mez> cause it's higher than breezy
[07:08] <ivoks> time to eat something...
[07:08] <ivoks> see you
[07:10] <tseng> DanielN: yes?
[07:11] <tseng> Mez: dude what is the deal with the mono backport?
[07:11] <DanielN> tseng: would it be enough, to have the gpg signed by a friend, who has signed his key by a debian devel?
[07:11] <Mez> tseng - I've no idea :D I just do backports every now and then
[07:12] <tseng> well i seem to recall at the meeting that there would be no more mono backports, or libraries or interpreters in general
[07:12] <tseng> oh well.
[07:12] <Amaranth> DanielN: Yes.
[07:12] <tseng> DanielN: hm yeah
[07:12] <DanielN> great :)
[07:12] <Amaranth> tseng: they 'backported' azureus too
[07:13] <tseng> Amaranth: yeah, i use the word backport loosely now
[07:13] <Amaranth> if things not in breezy would be put in hoary-extras it'd make things easier
[07:13] <Amaranth> i could just say "don't use that" and not tell people to completely ignore backports
[07:14] <tseng> i dont see a reason to seperate the distinction if they arent going to follow the basic rules
[07:14] <tseng> ill ask why it is still there when he pops up next
[07:20] <Mez> It'll be gone I think when they move to the properly "official" status
[07:20] <Mez> but at the moment.. he's just carrying on as normal (I think)
[07:24] <tseng> ok.
[08:12] <mez> so what do MOTU's do for packages that are in debian, but not in universe...
[08:12] <tseng> we ask elmo nicely to sync it
[08:12] <tseng> or wait
[08:13] <mez> lol fair enough
[08:13] <mez> and you package other things ?
[08:13] <mez> and become the "maintainer" for that package?
[08:14] <tseng> erm the goal of the MOTU is not just to introduce as many new packages as we can find
[08:14] <tseng> a bigger responsibility is to help the 100s we already have build and run on ubuntu
[08:15] <mez> as in ubuntu-specific packages?
[08:15] <Burgundavia> mez, with the removal of the "run application" from upstream, all applications that should need a .desktop file, if you are interested
[08:15] <mez> so basically patch them up and fix them to work with ubuntu
[08:16] <mfgalizi> Hello, I would like to get a package added.  I was told I should be coming here
[08:16] <mez> Burgundavia,   huh ?
[08:16] <Lathiat> Burgundavia: as in gnomes run application was removed?
[08:16] <Burgundavia> mez, the .desktop file tells gnome/kde where to place the application in the menu
[08:16] <Burgundavia> Lathiat, yes
[08:16] <Lathiat> Burgundavia: oh, interesting
[08:17] <mez> Burgundavia, am I allowed to use smeg :P
[08:17] <mgalvin> mfgalizi, what would you like added?
[08:18] <mez> Burgundavia, I thought ti created them ?
[08:18] <mez> *shrugs*
[08:18] <Burgundavia> mez, it creates them for the current user
[08:18] <Burgundavia> it doesn't change the source package it install them by default
[08:18] <mez> yes, and then once those are created, you manually copy that file into the source package :d
[08:19] <Burgundavia> well, you need to tell the source package where to install it
[08:19] <Burgundavia> that is part where my tiny brain falls down
[08:19] <mfgalizi> mgalvin: libxvmcw.  are you familiar with it?
[08:20] <mgalvin> mfgalizi, no, what is it for?
[08:21] <mfgalizi> Its a wrapper library for XvMC (and the vld extensions).  Instead of having to link agains a particular inplementation of xvmc, you just link against it.
[08:22] <herve> hellas!
[08:22] <mgalvin> hi herve
[08:22] <mfgalizi> So, for example, adding this would allow you to release xine with the xxmc plugin.  And then myth packages could link against it too.  its available from unichrome.sf.net
[08:23] <bddebian> Heya her
[08:23] <bddebian> herve even..  fscking autocomplete
[08:23] <mgalvin> mfgalizi, checking it out...
[08:23] <mfgalizi> mgalvin: thanks.  I have a debian dir already if you would like it.
[08:23] <Lathiat> mfgalizi: what does that stuff actually do
[08:24] <Lathiat> (i saw it mentioned on a show earlier)
[08:24] <mgalvin> mfgalizi, i found it, have you tried just installing it from the sid version of the deb on that sire
[08:24] <mgalvin> s/sire/site/
[08:25] <mfgalizi> mgalvin, where is the sid version?  I dont see it
[08:26] <mfgalizi> Lathiat, xvmc is an x extension supporting video accelleration.  XVideo Motion Compensation.
[08:26] <mfgalizi> Lathiat, beyond that, I really dont know (other than that my EPIA board uses it)
[08:27] <mgalvin> http://www.physik.fu-berlin.de/~glaweh/debian/
[08:27] <Lathiat> 'video accelleration' ?
[08:27] <Lathiat> from the name i would glen 'I can move my totem aroudn the desktop without seeing the overlay'
[08:27] <mgalvin> add the repository on that page to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:27] <mfgalizi> oh, yeah, those work, but they are a release behind
[08:28] <mfgalizi> I'm not sure those packages are maintained anymore (they've been static for months, as far as i know anyways)
[08:28] <mgalvin> oh ok, so you want to get an updated release, have you tried contacting its debian maintainer and asking if he could update his package?
[08:30] <mfgalizi> nope.  I just figured it would make sense in the distribution.
[08:30] <mfgalizi> enough programs can use it: xine, ok, just xine thats already in the standard distribution
[08:30] <mgalvin> ok, and you want to see this in breezy or hoary?
[08:31] <mfgalizi> well, if hoary implies breezy, then hoary
[08:32] <mgalvin> i only ask b/c new updates will not be in hoary, the updates will only get into breezy
[08:32] <mgalvin> i could take a look at updating them
[08:32] <mgalvin> er ,it
[08:33] <mfgalizi> Pardon, I dont follow
[08:33] <mfgalizi> you mean adding the package?
[08:34] <mgalvin> sorry, yes, I could take a look at updating the package if you'd like
[08:34] <mgalvin> to the latest version
[08:35] <tseng> man where are the germans
[08:36] <mez> hmm
[08:36] <mez> Question:
[08:37] <mez> For Breezy...
[08:37] <mez> why is gnupg 1.4.0
[08:37] <tseng> as opposed to?
[08:37] <tseng> (its 1.4.1, anyway)
[08:37] <mez> the latest stable version 1.4.1
[08:38] <mez> ah lists as 1.4.0 on packages.ubuntu.com
[08:38] <tseng> that page isnt live, obviously
[08:38] <mez> hmm
[08:39] <mez> Who's Martin Pitt?
[08:41] <Lathiat> pitti
[08:41] <mez> makes sense
[09:07] <mez> hmm
[09:07] <mez> does anyone mind if I update konversation for breezy?
[09:07] <mez> to 0.18
[09:07] <mez> as like... one of my packages to start or soemthing
[09:08] <mez> wait
[09:08] <tseng> updating a package doesnt really tell us anything about your skills
[09:08] <mez> fair enough
[09:08] <tseng> unless you updated mono or something
[09:08] <mez> so what does tell you about my skills?
[09:08] <tseng> it tells me you can run uupdate -u
[09:08] <mez> lol
[09:09] <mez> what can i do to show you my skilz? (or lack of)
[09:09] <tseng> skills doesnt have a z in it
[09:10] <tseng> you can make new packages, or fix real bugs or something
[09:10] <tseng> i could tell my mom how to download a tarball and run uupdate
[09:10] <ivoks> hi
[09:11] <ivoks> hehe uupdate
[09:12] <ivoks> ok i give up on openscenegraph
[09:13] <ivoks> that should do someone with more experience and knowledge
[09:13] <mez> lol fair enough tseng
[09:13] <mez> and i know skills doesnt have a z in it
[09:13] <mez> I'm taking the p**s
[09:13] <tseng> the what?
[09:14] <tseng> there are alot of international people, its alot easier to read what you are saying with out the slang
[09:14] <ivoks> :>
[09:19] <ivoks> what kind of a package is this?
[09:19] <ivoks> when you untar it, you get debian and gziped source
[09:27] <mez> taking the p**s
[09:28] <mez> as in, joking about.
[09:34] <mez> debian/rules reverse-config
[09:34] <mez> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/mez/backports-arena/konversation/konversation-0.18'
[09:34] <mez> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `reverse-config'.  Stop.
[09:34] <mez> make: *** [clean]  Error 2
[09:34] <mez> what does that mean ?
[09:34] <mez> I've never come across that before
[09:37] <tseng> that means debian/rules calls make reverse-config
[09:37] <tseng> and there is no such rule
[09:38] <mez> must be something new in .27
[09:39] <mez> of cdbs
[09:39] <mez> Build Depends are only needed for building right, not for the user?
[09:41] <jbailey> mez: If you have a testcase for somethign that broke, please tell me.
[09:42] <mez> nah jbailey - I'm just trying to make a deb for konversation 0.18 in hoary
[09:42] <jbailey> mez: It seems Robert was a bit careless about adding to the testsuite, and I'd like to add some testcases to catch things that have broken.
[09:42] <mez> and I've no idea what you're saying :D
[09:43] <\sh> mez: is riddell not working on konversation?
[09:43] <\sh> re btw
[09:43] <mez> no idea :P
[09:44] <mez> I'm not working on it for motu
[09:44] <mez> just for myself
[09:44] <mez> I'm just like, teaching myself packaging stuff
[09:44] <mez> but, 0.18 depends on cdbs .27-3
[09:44] <mez> hoary = .26
[09:44] <mez> so I think thats what's wrong
[09:44] <\sh> well
[09:45] <\sh> breezy awaits you and your learning skills :)
[09:45] <mez> ?
[09:45] <mez> what do you mean by that
[09:45] <\sh> hoary is out
[09:46] <\sh> ok..uploading stuff for Unfrgiven
[09:46] <mez> ah
[09:46] <mez> I'm making backports to devlop my skill
[09:46] <mez> s
[09:46] <tseng> backports dont require that much skill
[09:47] <tseng> its apt-get source; cd; dpkg-buildpackage most of the time
[09:47] <mez> yeah I know
[09:47] <mez> this one I'm building the package from source thgouh
[09:47] <mez> well
[09:47] <mez> upgrading the current 0.17 to 0.18 then trying to build for hoary
[09:47] <mez> but it depends on a version of cdbs...
[09:48] <mez> which I'm assuming is causing the problem
[09:48] <mez> s
[09:48] <\sh> mez: then u have to "backport" cdbs as well
[09:48] <mez> yeah thats what I was thinking
[09:48] <\sh> or downgrade the package to hoaries cdbs
[09:48] <mez> \sh - I have no idea how to do that
[09:49] <mez> I could just build from scratch
[09:49] <\sh> if you build from scratch you're not backporting.
[09:49] <mez> true
[09:50] <mez> so whats the best way to get around this crap then?
[09:50] <mez> any hints?
[09:50] <mez> other than backporting cdbs
[09:50] <mez> and causing problems
[09:51] <\sh> try to build it with the packages which r there
[09:51] <\sh> thats backporting..not to break the distri
[09:52] <mez> yeah I know \sh :d
[09:52] <mez> ffs
[09:53] <mez> I'm going to have to go even further back and backport from the one that's in hoary
[09:53] <mez> as in uupdate
[09:55] <\sh> argl...anacron
[09:55] <\sh> i hate this thing
[09:56] <mez> lol
[10:02] <\sh> i need coffee
[10:04] <mez> lol
[10:07] <bddebian> I need cocaine or something.. :-)
[10:07] <mez> feck
[10:07] <mez> I forgot to change the changelog :P
[10:07] <Amaranth> awake 24 hours and counting
[10:07] <Amaranth> whee
[10:07] <mez> well done
[10:07] <mez> <-- still hyper from last nights gig
[10:15] <\sh> ok..that for unfrgiven
[10:15] <\sh> one issue, rest was ok
[10:19] <\sh> re bradb
[10:23] <bradb> hi \sh
[10:41] <herve> see you later
[11:11] <Mez> where's the pbuild howto?
[11:11] <\sh> http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/PbuilderHowto
[11:12] <Mez> god.... konversation was a pain in the ass to backport
[11:12] <Mez> but I DID IT
[11:15] <Mez> E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory)
[11:15] <Mez> wtf?
[11:16] <Mez> nvm
[11:16] <Mez> forgot to update
[11:30] <Mez> is there any way... rather than using dpkg-buildpacakge
[11:30] <Mez> that you just like...
[11:30] <Mez> make the .dsc etc etc
[11:30] <Mez> ?
[11:31] <Mez> so you can use pbuild to build it
[11:31] <\sh> yes
[11:31] <\sh> debuild -S
[11:31] <\sh> without source
[11:32] <\sh> debuild -S -sa <-- with source
[11:32] <Mez> so if you've got the orgi.tgz, extracted, and the diff ... then you say do a uupdate -u
[11:32] <Mez> and then do a debuild -S -sa
[11:32] <Mez> in the new dir
[11:33] <Mez> and then just do a pbuild bla.dsb
[11:33] <Mez> wait
[11:33] <Mez> why is pbuilder creating the base system again?
[11:34] <Mez> nvm
[11:34] <Mez> I rang wrong command
[11:35] <\sh> because it's creating a chroot env. and put it in a tar.gz
[11:37] <Mez> yeah
[11:37] <Mez> and i was trying to build something
[11:37] <Mez> adn cocked up and hit the wrong thing in the history
[11:40] <Mez> thanks for the help \sh
[11:40] <Mez> worked like a beaut
[11:47] <tseng> ogra: do you know where koke is
[11:47] <ogra> spain i guess...
[11:48] <\sh> ogra@ip?
[11:48] <\sh> what's that
[11:48] <\sh> where r u mister ogra :)
[11:50] <ogra> amsterdam.... stranded on my way to bergen
[11:50] <\sh> oh my
[11:50] <Mez> :P
[11:50] <Mez> lol
[11:50] <\sh> ogra: but good for u :) buy some kilos of "hanf" ;)
[11:52] <ogra> \sh, no fun...
[11:53] <\sh> ogra: what r u doing in bergen anyways?
[11:53] <Seveas> ogra, amsterdam is good :)
[11:54] <ogra> Seveas, so you know the ibis hotel near shiphol ? do you really think its worth a travel ?
[11:54] <ogra> :/
[11:55] <ogra> especially since i'm supposed to be in bergen/norway since 4pm today....
[11:55] <Seveas> hmm, ibis hotel...
[11:55] <ogra> KLM sucks....
[11:55] <Seveas> ogra, hmm that sucks indeed
[11:58] <Mez> hmm
[11:58] <Mez> I'm getting sorta used to how to build stuff and stuff
[11:58] <Mez> I just wish I could code so i cna fix bugs
[11:58] <Mez> which means I'm not gonna get to be a MOTU am i?