[12:00] <pfp> goldfish: i already suggested that
[12:00] <goldfish> pfp: did he do it?
[12:00] <pfp> goldfish: yep
[12:00] <goldfish> i see
[12:00] <goldfish> not good
[12:00] <pfp> goldfish: starting X causes a freeze i think
[12:00] <Imical> maybe I picked the wrong thing
[12:00] <goldfish> hmmm
[12:00] <Imical> anyone know what x server driver I should pick for a voodoo card?
[12:00] <dali> Don't suppose anyone uses a ibm t41 ? Having some trouble with the resolution
[12:01] <pfp> Imical: you could try changing your video card (sounds stupid, i know...)
[12:01] <goldfish> is voodoo ati ?
[12:01] <Imical> don't think so , this is a REALLY old voodo
[12:01] <pfp> goldfish: voodoo is voodoo
[12:01] <goldfish> oh right
[12:01] <goldfish> hehe
[12:01] <pfp> .)
[12:01] <goldfish> sorry :)
[12:02] <Imical> pfp: no other graphics cards to change it with
[12:02] <goldfish> Imical: is there a voodoo driver in that config ?
[12:02] <Imical> nope
[12:02] <goldfish> Imical: what driver did u choose ?
[12:02] <queuetue> How do I change the default multimedia app from totem to xmms or mplayer?
[12:03] <goldfish> queuetue: right click the file in nautilus , should be an "Open with.." setting
[12:03] <Imical> let me see I have tried, glide, ii81 and stdfx
[12:03] <goldfish> hmmm
[12:03] <goldfish> anyone know the correct driver to use with a voodoo card?
[12:03] <Razor-X> oh, wow, this song brings back memories ;)
[12:04] <Razor-X> goldfish: that's old ;)
[12:04] <goldfish> hehe
[12:04] <Imical> yupps
[12:04] <Imical> 16mb wha wha
[12:05] <gabor> is ubuntu any good?
[12:05] <goldfish> gabor: yes
[12:06] <Imical> so should I just guess random things in the confug xserver-xorg menus?
[12:06] <syntaxerror64> gabor: no
[12:06] <keikoz> sure
[12:06] <gabor> for developing linux apps?
[12:06] <eve7698> anyone know why ndiswrapper wouldn't be showing up in synaptic?
[12:06] <goldfish> gabor: cant see why it wouldnt be
[12:06] <goldfish> Imical: glide should be working :/
[12:07] <keikoz> eve7698 not enough repositories maybee
[12:07] <gabor> i am trying ubunut for a couple of says
[12:07] <gabor> days
[12:07] <Imical> ok gonna try it again
[12:07] <Imical> hmmm
[12:07] <pfp> Imical: what about the generic... vesa or what was it called
[12:07] <eve7698> keikoz: what do you mean? I'm a noob to ubuntu, but not to linux
[12:08] <keikoz> synaptic watches in the repositories defined for apt-get
[12:08] <Imical> for the graphics card it recognized the built in mother board intel thing I wonder if I could make that work?
[12:08] <pfp> Imical: i would try it yes
[12:08] <Imical> but when i plug my moniter into that port I get nothing:)
[12:08] <Imical> err:(
[12:09] <eve7698> keikoz, you mean in my /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[12:09] <keikoz> yes i think its this
[12:09] <pfp> Imical: hmm, maybe console (text mode) lives on the voodoo, but X uses the mobo-integrated
[12:09] <anto9us> Imical: maybe the monitor can't support the default depth/resolution
[12:09] <pfp> (or is that even possible)
[12:10] <keikoz> but you can open them in synaptic directly
[12:10] <eve7698> so how do I add more?
[12:10] <Imical> please enter the video card's bus identifier... should I leave this default I have no idea
[12:10] <pfp> anto9us: i think Imical said he's seeing an underscore on an otherwise blank screen
[12:10] <keikoz> i've a documentation about it but is in french :/
[12:11] <psychonate> Do people still play Legends? I want to try it again.
[12:11] <jind> I have a dual screen setup here. And the notification area only works on one of the screen. Unfortunately for me it is enabled on the wrong screen. Can I reconfigure something so that the notification area works both screens? The dual screen setup isn't in xinerama mode, so the screens are treated as seperate desktops
[12:11] <lsuactiafner> Imical : you need to disable the onboard card if you run an internal 2nd card
[12:11] <technomage> eve7698: you can run apt-setup in console
[12:11] <Imical> i disabled the onboard card years and years ago
[12:11] <Imical> no idea how to re-enable it
[12:11] <eve7698> technomage: sudo or no?
[12:12] <lsuactiafner> when you boot the pc
[12:12] <lsuactiafner> press delete
[12:12] <lsuactiafner> and it will allow you into the bios setup
[12:12] <technomage> eve7698: yep, sudo
[12:12] <lsuactiafner> when you see that screen listing your ram and hard disks
[12:12] <lsuactiafner> and then look around
[12:12] <pfp> Imical: you can find the bus id with 'lspci', but if lspci shows only one videocard, you don't need to specify it
[12:13] <jason^> when installing a new ubuntu system, is there a way to change the source to the internet instead so that i don't install all of the old packages then install all of the new packages?
[12:13] <Imical> lsuactiafner: tried hitting delete on reboot..didn't do anytihng
[12:14] <lsuactiafner> heh there has to be a key to go in
[12:14] <lsuactiafner> delete MSUT work
[12:14] <lsuactiafner> but i'm going to bed
[12:14] <lsuactiafner> did my newbie god duties
[12:14] <Imical> acutally jsut ounded the F keys and it worked
[12:14] <lsuactiafner> Fri Jun 10 00:15:27 SAST 2005
[12:14] <Imical> ok into the bios
[12:15] <Imical> what was I supposed to be lookign for agian?
[12:15] <lsuactiafner> yeh f4 i believe
[12:15] <lsuactiafner> look for something thats disabled that might be enabled, vga something, agp ect
[12:15] <lsuactiafner> not sure
[12:15] <Imical> just got mad and hit the whole thing....but it worked
[12:15] <eve7698> technomage: ok I did apt-setup
[12:15] <lsuactiafner> to enable the video card
[12:15] <lsuactiafner> i think
[12:15] <yonez> hi all
[12:16] <wulfepup> ok ... how do I set up my flippin USB printer.... it's not automagically found... and it isn't any of the supposed 16 USB printer the Add Printers dialogue wants me to try...
[12:16] <technomage> eve7698: good, simple menu, try to select http and then preffered country
[12:17] <Imical> lsuactiafner: hmmm deault primary video adaptaer, set at PCI
[12:17] <Imical> lsuactiafner: is that wrong?
[12:17] <yonez> how come when i upgraded my kernel it still show old kernel version? 2.6.10-5-386
[12:17] <pfp> Imical: what are the other options
[12:18] <Imical> pfp: pci and agp
[12:18] <lsuactiafner> yonez : you havent rebooted yet
[12:18] <Imical> pfp: but no agp slot on this computer weird.....
[12:18] <flashnet> #jawahaker
[12:18] <lsuactiafner>  483B/s 9h21m11s
[12:18] <lsuactiafner> agp sounds good
[12:18] <lsuactiafner> make it differant from before
[12:18] <Imical> k
[12:18] <Imical> now reboot?
[12:18] <pfp> Imical: wrong option probably, that should tell the bios which bus your 2nd card is plugged in
[12:19] <yonez> lsuactiafner : i rebooted 2 times now. do i need to do anything othe rthan upgrade my package.
[12:19] <synd> anyone have success with the Linksys WPC54G PCMCIA wireless G card?
[12:19] <lsuactiafner> yonez : what boot sector manager? lilo pr grub?
[12:19] <synd> with ubuntu
[12:19] <yonez> lsuactiafner : grub.
[12:20] <Imical> pfp: that is the only thing related to video in the bios
[12:20] <lsuactiafner> cant help with grub
[12:20] <technomage> can somebody answer my question???
[12:20] <pfp> Imical: maybe you can get your integrated card back just by pulling the voodoo out
[12:21] <synd> anyone have success with the Linksys WPC54G PCMCIA wireless B card?
[12:21] <Imical> pfp worth a shot
[12:21] <Imical> pfp: brb taking the voodoo card out
[12:21] <yonez> lsuactiafner : do i need to do something with grub? what did u do with lilo?
[12:21] <ralf> hi ubuntuers
[12:21] <goldfish> hello
[12:21] <wulfepup> synd, which chipset is that? atheros?
[12:21] <lsuactiafner> Imical : when pulling outmake sure pc is off
[12:22] <pfp> :)
[12:22] <Imical> lol
[12:22] <lsuactiafner> i make my own kernels and edit lilo accordingly
[12:22] <Imical> wonder how many people have just pulled one out before
[12:22] <synd> wulfepup: iono
[12:22] <syntaxerror64> hi ralf
[12:22] <lsuactiafner> Imical : thousands
[12:22] <wulfepup> don't know then .. you may need ndiswrapper
[12:22] <lsuactiafner> i once pulled a stiffy drive out
[12:23] <lsuactiafner> was teh ugly
[12:23] <lsuactiafner> broke it
[12:23] <ralf> there is any planning to use an alternative init system in ubuntu rather than sysvinit?
[12:23] <lsuactiafner> my load is bigger than yours load average: 2.16, 1.58, 1.26 (blaring hardcore rock music)
[12:25] <hyphenated> ralf: what's wrong with the one ubuntu uses?
[12:25] <synd> nalioth: welcome back
[12:25] <ralf> hyphenated: nothing, but there are some replacements that looks good
[12:26] <nalioth> synd: thx.
[12:26] <picasso> hi.. for some reason my firefox just started crashing all the time
[12:26] <picasso> regardless of profile
[12:26] <picasso> when i try to apt-=get upgrade, i get this:
[12:26] <picasso> The following packages have been kept back:
[12:26] <picasso>   mozilla-firefox mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[12:26] <ralf> i'm looking at cinit and initng
[12:26] <synd> nalioth: im at fazolis, wirelessly VNCd to my ubuntu box at home :)
[12:27] <yonez> lsuactiafner : so u saying that it's not a matter of just upgrading kernel package.
[12:27] <yonez> anyone here upgrade kernel to fix USN-137 issue and using grub?
[12:27] <lsuactiafner> yonez : ive never used an ubuntu kernel before
[12:27] <Efwis> is there a different scanner program then xsane, when I scan with it everything comes out scewed up
[12:27] <yonez> lsuactiafner : ic. ok thanks for your time.
[12:27] <Imical> pfp: ok so card is out just  try pluging the monitor to the onbaord card?
[12:27] <lsuactiafner> but as far as i know if you copy a kernel image to /boot you need to update the boot sector, but you should ask for a 2nd opinion
[12:27] <lsuactiafner> i image ubuntu would do that for you tho
[12:27] <lsuactiafner> so...
[12:27] <lsuactiafner> i reinstall the packages, not sure if it will help tho
[12:27] <Imical> whoa
[12:27] <Imical> it worked!!!!!
[12:27] <nalioth> synd: well congratulations
[12:27] <synd> nalioth: its exciting.
[12:27] <picasso> why wouldn't the firefox packages be upgraded?
[12:27] <syntaxerror64> hi nalioth
[12:27] <nalioth> howdy, syntaxerror64
[12:27] <Efwis> picasso did you use synaptic??
[12:28] <syntaxerror64> picasso: i had to do it from the command line
[12:28] <nalioth> picasso: the fireforx pkgs are upgraded to 1.0.4. the devs in their reasoning, didnt update teh ver numter
[12:28] <picasso> i saw that problem yesterday
[12:28] <pfp> Imical: great :)
[12:28] <picasso> but today, it has 1.0.4 version striung
[12:28] <synd> whyd they do that?
[12:28] <pfp> Imical: umm, worked, as in you're booting, or got all the way to desktop?
[12:28] <picasso> i am trying to apt-get upgrade from commandline
[12:28] <wulfepup> bbl
[12:28] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: i saw a workaround for firefox today so you can get extensions
[12:28] <picasso> what else should i try?
[12:29] <yonez> lsuactiafner : i thought ubuntu will copy the image file for me. i even reinstall the package. still no go.
[12:29] <lsuactiafner> just install firefox yourself..
[12:29] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: about:config?
[12:29] <lsuactiafner> get the binary from mozilla..
[12:29] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: yes
[12:29] <lsuactiafner> hmmm
[12:29] <eruin> I just cant wait for xorg to be unbroken in breezy..!
[12:29] <Imical> pfp: worked as in the onbaord card is working, whihc I thought would not hpapen
[12:29] <picasso> ah
[12:29] <picasso> lsuactiafner: where would you recommend installing
[12:29] <r0bby> yum
[12:29] <r0bby> I'm upgrading to breezy
[12:30] <picasso> over the top of ubuntu, in its own dir, or user homedir?
[12:30] <r0bby> hehe
[12:30] <lsuactiafner> anywhere
[12:30] <lsuactiafner> i put my firefox in /home/user/firefox
[12:30] <Imical> pfp: ok I ran through dpkg-reconfigure, now what?
[12:30] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: about:config has been a friend of mine for years
[12:30] <picasso> i guess that's what i'll have to do then.
[12:30] <lsuactiafner> you will need glibc and some development packages tho
[12:30] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: it makes tweaking firefox easy
[12:31] <lsuactiafner> last time i tried i dumped it in a chroot when i got annoyed
[12:31] <picasso> talking about firefox?
[12:31] <picasso> im not building it, why would i need dev packages?
[12:31] <lsuactiafner> yeh
[12:31] <lsuactiafner> no idea..
[12:31] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: do you know how to fix the fonts when browsing the web?
[12:31] <lsuactiafner> but it complained about some dependancies ect
[12:31] <Efwis> picasso: are you just wanting to get the updates from the universe?
[12:31] <lsuactiafner> but that was long ago
[12:31] <pfp> Imical: did you try startx or X or starting gdm?
[12:32] <lsuactiafner> havent bothered since
[12:32] <Imical> ummm trying gdm
[12:32] <Imical> oooooo ooooo
[12:32] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: add more fonts
[12:32] <Imical> *dances*
[12:32] <Imical> heck yesh!!!
[12:32] <Imical> thank ya
[12:32] <pfp> yay :)
[12:32] <picasso> Efwis: i'm wanting my firefox to stop crashing on 75% of websites
[12:32] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: i tried adding the microsoft fonts per guide but it didn't help
[12:32] <will_> whats the curses task manager command?
[12:32] <pfp> np, glad to help
[12:32] <Imical> hmmm signed on but got a failed to initzlize HAL!
[12:32] <Imical> is that important?
[12:32] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: add ALL fonts that you can find using synaptic
[12:32] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: for example, my ubuntu desktop is very nice and smooth and the fonts look excellent...  some web pages they are tiny and scrunched together badly.
[12:32] <JDahl> will_, aptitude
[12:32] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: ok i will go do that now
[12:32] <lsuactiafner> picasso : your firefox got enough ram/swap?
[12:33] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: TrueType fonts (from all over the web) work great here
[12:33] <pfp> Imical: hmm, shouldn't happen
[12:33] <picasso> im on a p4 3.2 w/ 1.5gb ram
[12:33] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: like linuxquestions.org is awful, but on my xp machine it looks perfect.
[12:33] <Imical> pfp: hmm I wonder what it means
[12:33] <pfp> Imical: did you boot into failsafe mode or normal
[12:33] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: the perfection hides a stain
[12:33] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: :)
[12:34] <pfp> Imical: Hardware Abstraction Layer
[12:34] <Efwis> picasso: try using Synaptic under system>administration, remove it then reinstall it through synaptic, that should work
[12:34] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: some of them i have to hit Ctrl+ a time or two to get the fonts big enough to actually read without getting a headache.
[12:34] <Imical> pfp: i was in recovery mode
[12:34] <will_> JDahl:thanks
[12:34] <Imical> pfp: should I do a regular boot now?
[12:34] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: but i will start adding fonts now
[12:34] <pfp> Imical: yep
[12:34] <lsuactiafner> heh yeh i control +++ like a mad person
[12:35] <onekill> anyone know how to fix DRI init problem?
[12:35] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: lot of it is idiot webmasters, not writing w3w standard code, but writing it for "internetEvil"
[12:35] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: i kind of thought that too
[12:35] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: because a lot of web sites look excellent
[12:35] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: but some, man the fonts are ugly and jagged and tiny
[12:35] <lsuactiafner> umm
[12:36] <lsuactiafner> yeh firefox refuses to render broken code
[12:36] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: i used to do lots of websites, and always tried to keep my stuff universal (for blind people and everybody)
[12:36] <Imical> pfp: what in the world I rebooted and its doing all this stuff in the command prompt is that normal?
[12:36] <lsuactiafner> no idea..
[12:36] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: that would seem to be the best policy.  i have heard internet explorer doesn't conform to standards so a lot of folks get lazy with their code.
[12:36] <lsuactiafner> but if it looks funky its prolly good
[12:36] <tchmnky> What kind of stuff is it saying, Imical?
[12:36] <eve7698> anyone know how to get ndiswrapper via apt-get?
[12:37] <lsuactiafner> yeh IE doesnt.
[12:37] <eve7698> having alot of trouble
[12:37] <pfp> Imical: what stuff, like "starting weird acronym xzy"?
[12:37] <lsuactiafner> it renders broken html ect
[12:37] <syntaxerror64> lsuactiafner: yes
[12:37] <Imical> tchmnkky: ohh okies I guess that was normal just so many times it did the box crashed but it working now
[12:37] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: i could tell you some technical stories about M$ web products. . . . .
[12:37] <eve7698> I'm having trouble finding ndiswrapper in synaptic
[12:38] <lsuactiafner> pfp : "your system has been infected by hell spwan!!! running locate .exe | xargs rm -r"
[12:38] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: so, you think adding a bunch more fonts in will get those web sites to display better or is it just something i'm gonna have to live with?
[12:38] <lsuactiafner> btw ppl dont run that command
[12:38] <novaflare> for the daring ones
[12:38] <lsuactiafner> syntaxerror64 : use your own fonts+sizes
[12:38] <novaflare> ati just releaed new drivers today
[12:38] <will_> JDahl: i need task manager, not an apt-get frontend
[12:38] <novaflare> ATI Proprietary Linux x86 Drivers for XFree86 / X.Org Version 8.14.13 <<<
[12:38] <lsuactiafner> there is a tab for it
[12:38] <syntaxerror64> lsuactiafner: i tried, but it doesn't seem to be keeping them
[12:38] <syntaxerror64> lsuactiafner: when i go back it's back to the ugly scrunched up tiny stuff
[12:39] <lsuactiafner> like i force my own colours, black on white, i use bannerfilter to block ads
[12:39] <pfp> lsuactiafner: :)
[12:39] <lsuactiafner> my websites all look clean no matter what
[12:39] <tchmnky> will_, there's a gnome panel applet called system monitor. If you double click it in your panel you get a process table/task manager. :)
[12:39] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: it will help to some extent, but we are all stuck with the 94% blight that IS
[12:39] <syntaxerror64> lsuactiafner: i guess i didn't set it to override
[12:39] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: gotcha
[12:39] <tchmnky> will_, just right click empty space on your taskbar/panel and just click + add to panel. Then choose the system monitor applet
[12:39] <will_> tchmnky: you know the curses equivelent?
[12:39] <lsuactiafner> syntaxerror64 : my advice.. build-dep mozilla-firefox and install the binary from the mozilla team
[12:39] <tchmnky> will_, top?
[12:39] <lsuactiafner> they wrote the code, they know how to compile it to work
[12:39] <syntaxerror64> lsuactiafner: i am not quite ready for that yet
[12:39] <will_> tchmnky:ie from the shell prompt
[12:39] <lsuactiafner> ncurses?
[12:40] <JDahl> will_, oh sorry - I read that as package manager... I never use package managers, but you can renice jobs etc from top, and search for jobs as "ps -ef | grep <reg. exp>"
[12:40] <lsuactiafner> no just build-dep
[12:40] <lsuactiafner> then get binary from mozilla
[12:40] <tchmnky> will_ - yeah, top is from shell
[12:40] <lsuactiafner> no compiling
[12:40] <lsuactiafner> just you got the deps for it..
[12:40] <syntaxerror64> lsuactiafner: better than the one in synaptic package manager?
[12:40] <lsuactiafner> ps aux
[12:40] <will_> tchmnky: thats the one! thanks!
[12:40] <tchmnky> np :)
[12:40] <lsuactiafner> syntaxerror64 : you wouldnt believe
[12:40] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: they are the same
[12:41] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: unless you have a compelling reason, use what ubuntu provides
[12:41] <lsuactiafner> pgrep name | renice -20
[12:41] <lsuactiafner> might work
[12:41] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: no none
[12:41] <JDahl> will_, I never use task managers, I mean (I should take a break... must be getting tired)
[12:41] <will_> JDahl: long day?
[12:41] <will_> hehe
[12:42] <lsuactiafner> pgrep FAH | renice awk '{ print $1 }'
[12:42] <JDahl> will_, no... just a newborn son who kept me up all night :/
[12:42] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: did i see you say NOT to add backports repositories to sources.list?
[12:42] <lsuactiafner> bleh doenst owrk
[12:42] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: backports can break your system
[12:43] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: so that would be a no then :)
[12:43] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: better to compile from source
[12:43] <lsuactiafner> nalioth : dont lie.. you just dont want us to run leet software
[12:43] <lsuactiafner> you be jealous
[12:43] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: i compile my own l33+ s0fw@rz
[12:43] <lsuactiafner> heh same
[12:44] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: the starter guide says to add them, but i didn't
[12:44] <lsuactiafner> got like 600mb of deps but very few packages
[12:44] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: the ubuntuguide.org is not very good
[12:44] <picasso> ok
[12:44] <picasso> now which libs do i need?
[12:44] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: that's great to know AFTER the fact...  lol
[12:45] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: a very few of the howtos there work, but for the most part i say don't use it
[12:45] <tchmnky> nalioth, coupled with the howtos in ubuntuforums.org it can be quite helpful. :)
[12:45] <lsuactiafner> picasso : apt-get build-dep mozilla-firefox
[12:45] <Imical> ooooo internet and everything works after a minor ubuntu is awesome
[12:45] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: i have been going through the forums
[12:45] <lsuactiafner> ok night
[12:45] <lsuactiafner> past my bedtie
[12:45] <syntaxerror64> bye lsuactiafner
[12:45] <lsuactiafner> silly n00bs takin up my very valueble time... you should all be very thankful..
[12:46] <xero> hey, i get an error when i type in: sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[12:46] <picasso> eh i just needed to add /path/to/firefox to ld.so.conf
[12:46] <picasso> seems to work now
[12:46] <syntaxerror64> xero: what kind of error?
[12:46] <lsuactiafner> why ld.so.conf?
[12:46] <lsuactiafner> no you dont
[12:47] <lsuactiafner> just run ldconfig to make sure everything is ok now that you did the build-dep
[12:47] <picasso> ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libmozjs.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:47] <lsuactiafner> and get the binary from mozilla site
[12:47] <lsuactiafner> picasso : apt-get build-dep mozilla?
[12:47] <picasso> E: Unable to find a source package for firefox
[12:47] <sutabi> I replace to Dvd Drive with a HD, I ned to take data off it (using a windows tpye store =_=) How would I mount it?
[12:47] <picasso> mike@mikematz:~/firefox$ sudo apt-get build-dep mozilla-firefox
[12:47] <picasso> dono why its referring to 'firefox' package
[12:47] <lsuactiafner> do a build-dep for anything related to mozilla
[12:47] <picasso> and not mozilla-firefox
[12:47] <xero> syntaxerror64: Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
[12:48] <nalioth> picasso: pkg is called mozilla-firefox
[12:48] <LikesHisLunch> Hello, has anyone got any experience doing OpenOffice mail merges from Evolution addressbooks?
[12:48] <syntaxerror64> xero: perhaps another repository is required then
[12:48] <picasso> same
[12:48] <picasso> E: Unable to find a source package for firefox
[12:48] <lsuactiafner> xero : just goto mplayerhq and get the codecs
[12:48] <syntaxerror64> xero: let me try it
[12:48] <picasso> nalioth: yes, look at my cmdline
[12:48] <nalioth> xero: what hardware are  you using?
[12:48] <lsuactiafner>  http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs
[12:49] <lsuactiafner> ok night ppl
[12:49] <xero> night lsuactiafner, thanks
[12:49] <battlecat> Hi All.
[12:49] <battlecat> Im giving KDE a run through.
[12:49] <syntaxerror64> xero: same error for me so i guess not available on those repositories, i'd try what lsuactiafner says
[12:49] <battlecat>  Its not bad at all
[12:49] <lsuactiafner> codecs you extract go into /usr/local/lib/codecs
[12:50] <syntaxerror64> hi battlecat
[12:50] <syntaxerror64> lsuactiafner: just copy them in there and that's it?
[12:50] <lsuactiafner> yeh
[12:50] <battlecat> Hello syntaxerror64
[12:50] <xero> nalioth: i dont think its a hardware problem
[12:50] <nalioth> picasso: are you using synaptic?
[12:50] <sutabi> How do I mount a secondary HD?
[12:50] <nalioth> xero: if you are using a non x86 arch, it could be
[12:51] <lsuactiafner> heh true
[12:51] <nalioth> xero: also you should have universe and multiverse enabled in your sources.list
[12:51] <epl> what actually happened to ubuntu-calendar?
[12:51] <battlecat> epl it went out of date?
[12:51] <epl> heh
[12:52] <xero> nalioth: how do i know what my arch?
[12:52] <goldfish> xero: what processor?
[12:52] <goldfish> sutabi: internal/external ?
[12:52] <nalioth> xero: at a terminal type "uname -a"
[12:52] <ted_> xero: have you checked out www.ubuntuguide.org and followed their instructions?
[12:52] <xero> AMD Athlon 1700+, ~1.5GHz
[12:53] <sutabi> goldfish, well Its sitting @ my Dvd Drive place, since My computer can support 2 HD...
[12:53] <sutabi> to its internal I guess
[12:53] <goldfish> i see
[12:53] <sutabi> ermm ! HD
[12:53] <sutabi> 1
[12:53] <xero> ted_: yes
[12:54] <sutabi> has 2 power coord 2 drives only 2 drives work.... One is usein SATA other is useing the Older type (one I am triong to get access to)
[12:54] <ted_> xero: and your /etc/apt/soruces.list matched theirs? I just checked and the w32 codecs are in the repositories
[12:54] <sutabi> THe IDE Coord
[12:54] <nalioth> ted_: we are still waiting on his answer about his hardware
[12:55] <syntaxerror64> i have everything but backports in my list from ununtuguide and it's telling me it can't find them either.
[12:55] <ted_> nalioth:true enough
[12:55] <ted_> you need the backports
[12:55] <abarbaccia> anybody know any great linux games?
[12:55] <syntaxerror64> ted_: i have been told not to put those in
[12:55] <ted_> for some reason they seemed to have put them in there
[12:55] <sutabi> abarbaccia, DOOM3? wiht Wine?
[12:56] <picasso> hm
[12:56] <goldfish> doom 3 has a linux version
[12:56] <ted_> syntaxerror64: my understand backports are where they patch the same version of software but only with security patches
[12:56] <picasso> figured it out.. flash is making it crash
[12:56] <picasso> well at least sometimes. it has crashed randomly as well
[12:56] <nalioth> xero: backports can break your systems upgradeability
[12:56] <syntaxerror64> i believe there is a version of UT2004 for linux
[12:56] <picasso> has anyone had problem with firefox crashing on flash?
[12:56] <goldfish> syntaxerror64: there is
[12:56] <picasso> after the latest ubuntu updates?
[12:56] <abarbaccia> anybody know any decent linux games besides doom3?
[12:56] <xero> ted_: so dont put backports in sources.list?
[12:56] <refuze2looze> sutabi: edit your /etc/fstab to add your device that you want to mount (follow the others as an example). then to mount it you would do mount /mount/point/destination
[12:56] <goldfish> abarbaccia: america's army, medal of honour
[12:56] <syntaxerror64> xero: you will need to if you want to get those codecs by the way of that guide it would appear.
[12:57] <ted_> xero: I would say to put it in, to get the codecs, then comment them out afterwards
[12:57] <refuze2looze> yes there is a native UT2004 for linux, Doom3 also runs natively on linux
[12:57] <Tardis> abarbaccia: I think there is Call Of Duty also.
[12:57] <xero> ted_: to comment them out i use a #?
[12:57] <ted_> xero yes
[12:57] <xero> k
[12:57] <syntaxerror64> goldfish: sweet, i thought i had seen a dedicated server for linux, but i do all my gaming on my xp box so i didn't know for sure.
[12:58] <nalioth> xero: i would go to the mplayer website mentioned above and get them, b4 i'd put backports in my sources.list
[12:58] <ted_> nalioth: what is so bad about backports?
[12:58] <Tardis> nalioth: Why wouldn't you use backports in your list.
[12:58] <nalioth> xero: with backports, its not "if it will break" but "when it will break"
[12:58] <Tardis> ahh
[12:58] <nalioth> backport standards do not match the rest of ubuntu pkgs
[12:59] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: this is true as yesterday i decided i did not want to multi-boot on this computer so i re-installed ubuntu clean as the only OS, and i did backports...   it updated samba-common to a much newer version and then regular samba would not install.
[12:59] <Tardis> Damned I added backport to my list of repositories
[12:59] <tchmnky> nalioth, not to mention "if the server will be up/steady or not"...
[12:59] <Tardis> Will have to undo
[12:59] <sutabi> refuze2looze, um.... what if its not a file system tpye of linux?
[12:59] <lotusleaf> nalioth, so you'd rather have people come in here and talk about their problems compiling said program and what options to use rather than using backports? :-) (playing devil's advocate)
[01:00] <xero> nalioth: i went to the mplayerhq page that was suggested above and i dont know where to begin.. should i just download all the w32codecs files that are listed?
[01:00] <nalioth> lotusleaf: universe and multiverse and using "apt-get source -b <pkgname>" works 98% of the time
[01:00] <lotusleaf> lol, you see? :P
[01:00] <nalioth> lotusleaf: i run a PPC of which binarys are slim
[01:00] <LikesHisLunch> lotusleaf: how about checkinstall?
[01:00] <refuze2looze> sutabi: what filesystem is it?
[01:01] <nalioth> xero: yes and put them in the directory specified above
[01:01] <lotusleaf> LikesHisLunch, checkinstall doesn't always work
[01:01] <ted_> our backports really so bad?
[01:01] <nalioth> lotusleaf: checkinstall is used on my system, if there is no source pkg via apt
[01:01] <ted_> are*
[01:01] <nalioth> ted_: use them and see
[01:01] <synd_> ted_: yes
[01:01] <LikesHisLunch> lotusleaf: true - but very few things *always* work
[01:01] <synd_> backports suck
[01:01] <syntaxerror64> ted_: it messed me up yesterday
[01:01] <lotusleaf> LikesHisLunch, and what about those people who don't know enough to know how to use checkinstall even, of which there are many? :P
[01:01] <synd_> imo
[01:01] <ted_> I have been using them
[01:01] <syntaxerror64> ted_: but i don't know what i'm doing yet either
[01:01] <nalioth> lotusleaf: there is a wiki article on it
[01:01] <sutabi> refuze2looze, fat32 or ntsc.... bah its a windows file system
[01:02] <novaflare> hmm wheere is delire when you need him heh
[01:02] <sutabi> not too sure at this point
[01:02] <novaflare> i know hes probably already installed the new ati drivers heh
[01:02] <syntaxerror64> sutabi: ntsc is a video standard, NTFS is a file system
[01:02] <ted_> hmm
[01:02] <syntaxerror64> :)
[01:02] <lotusleaf> nalioth, what about the people who are dyslexic?
[01:02] <LikesHisLunch> lotusleaf: true, although backports aren't necessarily easy - for example they have a bad rep for making upgrading distros difficult
[01:02] <nalioth> sutabi: yes but fat32 is univerally linux usable and NTFS is still mostly read only
[01:02] <Trinitrogen> Im having trouble with my recent laptop install. Its a synaptic touch pad, and whenever I touch it it pastes text
[01:02] <sutabi> syntaxerror64, all the asme to me ^_-
[01:02] <syntaxerror64> sutabi: :)
[01:03] <refuze2looze> sutabi: FAT32 is supported (just specify fat32). NTFS is supported as read-only (specify ntfs). [ntsc is the video standard in the united states, you're mixing it up)
[01:03] <sutabi> nalioth, I just need to copy file from there to me linux to a can nuke the drive
[01:03] <nalioth> lelosufea, me sometymes resibmls that remarque
[01:03] <lotusleaf> LikesHisLunch, but custom built packages can also inject more problems into the channel, for example people compiling incorrectly or coming in to talk about dependencies issues, etc.
[01:03] <nalioth> sutabi: reading is ok from NTFS, writing MAY destroy the partition
[01:03] <lotusleaf> nalioth, heeheh
[01:03] <LikesHisLunch> lotusleaf: very true: but that's arguably a problem for the community rather than the individual...
[01:04] <syntaxerror64> it doesn't matter when sharing folders tho?
[01:04] <lotusleaf> is there a channel devoted to ubuntu backports on Freenode? IMO if there is or were, that would help IMO
[01:04] <Trinitrogen> nobody have any love for the syanptic touchpad?
[01:04] <syntaxerror64> must be when mounting a ntfs partition on the same pc you are talking about
[01:04] <syntaxerror64> Trinitrogen: sorry i don't have it
[01:04] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: sharing how?
[01:04] <ted_> trinitrogen I do but havn't gotten mine to work yet lol
[01:04] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: folders on my xp box shared over the network
[01:04] <LikesHisLunch> Trinitrogen: my synaptics touchpad works out-of-the-box
[01:05] <LikesHisLunch> Trinitrogen: it's a Thinkpad T40; I've seen a Vaio Synaptic touchpad work fine too
[01:05] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: while running yeecchsP?
[01:05] <Trinitrogen> LikesHisLunch: Mine does too, but if I touch it quickly (in XP its like clicking) it pastes :(
[01:05] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: but i believe you guys are talking about dual-boot where the NTFS partition is on the same computer, mounting it in linux
[01:05] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: yes we are
[01:05] <sutabi> refuze2looze, how would I know which sda it is? I see 6 of them in my /dev
[01:05] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: ok my mistake
[01:06] <ted_> sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
[01:06] <ted_> sorry wrong window
[01:06] <LikesHisLunch> Trinitogen: sounds like it's treating the touchpad like a middle click
[01:06] <Trinitrogen> LikesHisLunch: Thats what I figured, but no clue how to remap it
[01:06] <refuze2looze> sutabi: primary master = hda1 / primary slave = hda2 / secondary master = hdb1 / secondary slave = hdb2 (i believe, somebody correct me if i'm wrong)
[01:07] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: did you see my above message to you about the clean install?
[01:07] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: scrolling up
[01:08] <picasso> hm
[01:08] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: did you try to remove the backport samba?
[01:08] <xero> ted_: i added the backports now its working
[01:08] <LikesHisLunch> Trinitrogen: is this forum thread any help? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14067&highlight=synaptic+middle+click
[01:08] <picasso> running strace on firefox, it's crashing on flash pages, but just before crashing it is trying to load libesd.so.1, and read ~/.esd_auth
[01:08] <nalioth> xero: if you have what you want, commment out the backports lines
[01:08] <picasso> perhaps this has something to do with flash/esd incompatibilities?
[01:08] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: well, no this morning i just wiped the drive clean and clean installed ubuntu again (i had no important data on it)
[01:08] <nalioth> xero: save you some future trouble
[01:08] <ted_> xero your welcome, if your concerned about the backports corupting your system just comment them out so when you do upgrades it won't read from those repositories
[01:08] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: with no backports, eh?
[01:09] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: and did not put backports in this time
[01:09] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: stable is good
[01:09] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: i tried to ask for help in before doing that but nobody offered so rather than wait i just clean installed
[01:09] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: fanciness attracts cops (and other trouble)
[01:09] <lotusleaf> syntaxerror64, how did using backports affect your system?
[01:10] <xero> nalioth thanks
[01:10] <sutabi> refuze2looze, there are no hda's in /dev....
[01:10] <xero> ted_ thanks
[01:10] <syntaxerror64> lotusleaf: i updated repositories (with backports) and it updated samba-common to a much higher version number than what's in there now.  when i tried to install regular samba to setup file sharing with my xp box, it refused to install because it said i had the wrong version of samba-common.
[01:10] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: i used backports when i first used ubuntu, but commented them out when i saw the probs
[01:10] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: and upgradeing hasnt been a problem since then
[01:10] <eruin> Images really do say more than a thousand words... why I prefer gnome to kde: http://members.shaw.ca/opensourceversus2/evolution_big/configure.gif   versus   http://members.shaw.ca/opensourceversus2/kontact_big/configure.gif
[01:11] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: yes after i clean installed this morning i remembered you saying not to use them, and then i figured out that's what caused my samba problem.
[01:11] <refuze2looze> sutabi: no hda1?
[01:11] <xero> ted_: now i should be able to play wmv files?
[01:11] <ted_> xero have you installed either gstreamer-0.8 mad with xine or mplayer
[01:11] <refuze2looze> sutabi: what drive is currently mounted with ubuntu installed on it
[01:11] <LikesHisLunch> eruin: ah... an Evolution advocate.... any idea how to get an OpenOffice mailmerge working with Evolution addressbooks?
[01:11] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: you can do what xero did, enable them to get what you want, then comment them out w/o too many problems
[01:11] <goldfish> eruin: tried xfce?
[01:12] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: yes that is what i'll likely do as well
[01:12] <nobile> bye bye!!!
[01:12] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: although i prefer to compile my own stuff
[01:12] <eruin> LikesHisLunch, no, just advocating gnomes usability in general ;-) I use pure gmail :P
[01:12] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: i thought you'd be happy tho as i wiped xp clear off this pc, just linux now :)
[01:12] <eruin> goldfish, yes.
[01:12] <sutabi> refuze2looze, its sda6 for the ext3 file system and sda5 for the swap (I think sda2 is the for the windows system on my same HD)
[01:12] <eruin> goldfish, it's great, but gnome fits the bill
[01:12] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: i would like to do that as well, but i am not ready for that just yet
[01:13] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: i <grudgingly> say there are a few uses for winduhs
[01:13] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: very few
[01:13] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: its easy. apt can do it for you
[01:13] <xero> ted_: no =\
[01:13] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: my big computer is just xp, but i built this one for linux...  i was gonna dual boot it but then decided it was not necessary.
[01:13] <lotusleaf> syntaxerror64, actually, if you go cold turkey and not use windows xp or windows anything and just use linux for a few months, chances are you will never have any desire to use windows xp or whatever again. IMO.
[01:13] <refuze2looze> sutabi: oh your drives are serial ATA..
[01:14] <sutabi> refuze2looze, only one is SATA
[01:14] <ted_> lotusleaf except for games
[01:14] <sutabi> with is the oe I am on right now
[01:14] <syntaxerror64> lotusleaf: it's hard as i have been using dos/windows/microsoft os since i was 10 so i know it like the back of my hand...  i'm stepping into unchartered waters now.
[01:14] <refuze2looze> sutabi: and what is the HD you are trying to mount?
[01:14] <sutabi> the Other uses the IDE coord
[01:14] <refuze2looze> sutabi: try hdb1
[01:14] <lotusleaf> ted_, I disagree, I find Enemy Territory enjoyable enough on Linux and other games to never use Windows and Windows games ever again.
[01:15] <syntaxerror64> lotusleaf: i do all my gaming on windows tho', and my customers are all windows so i have to keep up.
[01:15] <ted_> lotusleaf true but I love half-life 2 which is based unforunately on directx
[01:15] <lotusleaf> syntaxerror64, well back then you devoted your learning to what you were learning, right? Do the same with Linux. :)
[01:15] <nalioth> lotusleaf: syntaxerror64 the only use i see for winduhs is converting that devilspawn wmv9 crap into something universal
[01:15] <Trinitrogen> LikesHisLunch: Maybe, lets give it a try. To restart X I log out and Ctrl+Alt+Bkspce right?
[01:15] <syntaxerror64> lotusleaf: that's what i am starting to do now :)
[01:15] <syntaxerror64> lotusleaf: it's just going to be a slow transition
[01:16] <lotusleaf> ted_, I loved a lot of games for Windows, too, but I'd rather not use an OS I hate. If that means giving up a few games (which it did) so be it.
[01:16] <lotusleaf> syntaxerror64, excellent :)
[01:16] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: i have most of my clients with windoze boxen, also
[01:16] <LikesHisLunch> lotusleaf: I disagree ... I like Linux and think it's going places ... but some basic things still seem to need MS Office (e.g. Outlook-style mail merges)... so going cold turkey is not always a positive experience
[01:16] <refuze2looze> ted_: plus there's cedega which runs many windows games quite decently
[01:16] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: i might feel that way someday too, right now i'm here trying to learn a new platform where eventually i can do everything on it.
[01:16] <ted_> lotusleaf the dual boot works well for me, plus there are certain programs I need for work
[01:16] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: we all had to go thru a period of "windoze deprogamming"
[01:17] <sutabi> refuze2looze, for the mount place..... it says it cant be found
[01:17] <ted_> refuze2looze yes but the setup time for that is so long if the game is not supported and a dual boot is painless imo
[01:17] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: windows is like second nature...  coming to this is like learning a new language, you have to get out of the "thinking in windows terms" mindset.
[01:17] <ted_> xero did that work for you?
[01:17] <lotusleaf> LikesHisLunch, yeah, but what about all those goodies from China? Lots of cheap crap from China, and guess what? By buying it guess what philosophy you're supporting? I would rather not support a monopoly's philosophies
[01:17] <refuze2looze> lotusleaf: do you play ETF?
[01:17] <lotusleaf> refuze2looze, nope
[01:17] <refuze2looze> ted_: setup time?
[01:18] <DaSkreech> syntaxerror64: You can't do everything on every platform
[01:18] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: yes, its much more free here
[01:18] <refuze2looze> lotusleaf: oh i was just trying to install that right now and something is wrong with it.. weird
[01:18] <DaSkreech> syntaxerror64: You can get a lot done though
[01:18] <LikesHisLunch> lotusleaf: sorry, i'm not sure what you mean... but i do hear what ted_ 's saying: "there are some programs i need for work"
[01:18] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: the simple fact i haven't even thought about spyware or viruses since monday is a huge plus
[01:18] <ted_> not all games will work out of the box, with some tweaking you can often get them to work
[01:18] <e0f> anyone help me? see this: www.strisciacc.com/Schermata.png
[01:18] <refuze2looze> ted-_: oh nevermind i get it
[01:19] <sutabi> ack i wa s doing the wrong command
[01:19] <DaSkreech> syntaxerror64: Do you do any server/network adminstration?
[01:19] <lotusleaf> LikesHisLunch, I disagree, I don't think anyone really NEEDS any application for the #1 closed source OS, IMO. They may feel they need it but chances are it's based on their choices (we all have free will) down the line and nothing more. If they wanted to they could stop using M$ stuff, it's that simple, only through their chain of choices do they themselves make it complex and "NEED"ify it.
[01:19] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: i'm sure you could imagine, but some of my customers machines, trying to disinfect them...  it's almost easier to just clean install windows.
[01:19] <LikesHisLunch> Trinitrogen: was that thread any use?
[01:19] <refuze2looze> sutabi: is it working now?
[01:19] <refuze2looze> sutabi: you have to make the dir that you're trying to mount it to
[01:19] <lotusleaf> refuze2looze, you might try linuxquestions.org - their gaming section
[01:20] <syntaxerror64> DaSkreech: not yet, that's one of the reasons i'm starting to get into linux to go in that direction
[01:20] <leitao> hello. My xorg is freezing frequently.. anyone seen that?
[01:20] <sutabi> whats the other file system? ntfs?
[01:20] <syntaxerror64> DaSkreech: home network, but nothing major as of yet
[01:20] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: use knoppix, or ultimate boot cd + f-prot
[01:20] <rosa> oh my godness this is so great i maged to install ubuntu on this brand new laptop :-)
[01:20] <refuze2looze> sutabi: for example if you set the mount point to /mount/winhd then you have to mkdir /mount/winhd
[01:20] <syntaxerror64> rosa: fun isn't it?  :)
[01:20] <LikesHisLunch> lotusleaf: I'd recommend a hearty dose of Mandeville.... that sort of thinking can justify not using/buying/doing anything as almost everything is ultimately a sort of luxury...
[01:20] <rosa> oh yeah
[01:21] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: i have gotten knoppix but haven't gotten into using it as a recovery tool yet, pretty good?
[01:21] <DaSkreech> LikesHisLunch: Really?
[01:21] <sutabi> mount: special device /dev/hdb1 does not exist
[01:21] <rosa> see u guys!
[01:21] <lotusleaf> LikesHisLunch, it all comes down to philosophy and choice.
[01:21] <DaSkreech> LikesHisLunch: Can You find me a Tabulature program on Linux?
[01:21] <refuze2looze> sutabi: well i don't know the hardware setup in your computer, that is something you should know..
[01:21] <Eddie> hi guys
[01:21] <Eddie> got a networking problem
[01:21] <LikesHisLunch> lotusleaf: Philosophy is all well and good... but I'm using my computer to get things done...
[01:21] <Eddie> lets say two computers are both running bit torrent
[01:22] <Eddie> I cant just forward to them both
[01:22] <Eddie> on a connection with a router
[01:22] <Trinitrogen> LikesHisLunch: Booya, worked
[01:22] <LikesHisLunch> DaSkreech: sorry what do you mean a Tabulature program?
[01:22] <lotusleaf> LikesHisLunch, what about all the things you do without a computer to get things done?
[01:22] <refuze2looze> sutabi: apt-get gparted and take a look at your partition setup
[01:22] <LikesHisLunch> Trinitrogen: excellent!
[01:22] <anto9us> DaSkreech: have you tried Gnometab?
[01:22] <lotusleaf> LikesHisLunch, you don't need a computer there do you? what if you thought you did? like urination?
[01:22] <Eddie> how can I have two computers incoming on a certain port
[01:22] <lotusleaf> LikesHisLunch, philosophy and choice
[01:22] <DaSkreech> LikesHisLunch: a program designed for Guitar tabulatures
[01:22] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: the ubuntu hardliners in here will tell you ubuntu livecd, but i prefer knoppix for winduhs system recusitation/destruction
[01:23] <LikesHisLunch> lotusleaf: yes, and doubtless there are good reasons for not using computers at all... but I want to get certain things done... and computers help me to do that.
[01:23] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: i believe they have come out with a new version since i downloaded it, i'll go get the newer one and learn to use it it would proably save me a lot of time in the long run.
[01:23] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: look for the live cd with clamav in it
[01:23] <LikesHisLunch> DaSkreech: not my area of expertise... i'm not very musical i'm afraid
[01:23] <DaSkreech> :-)
[01:24] <lotusleaf> LikesHisLunch, yes, as you said, "I want to"
[01:24] <lotusleaf> LikesHisLunch, so it returns to philosophy and choice - because it's all about wants, not needs.
[01:24] <DaSkreech> LikesHisLunch: Yeah My point is that for some people they do 'need' windows
[01:24] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: ok will do that
[01:24] <DaSkreech> anto9us: Hmmm :)
[01:24] <sutabi> refuze2looze, E: Couldn't find package gparted
[01:24] <anto9us> I need windows like I need a whole in the wall
[01:24] <xero> ted_ im not sure if its gonna work. you said something about xine and mplayer?
[01:24] <anto9us> ^hole
[01:25] <DaSkreech> anto9us: Cute :)
[01:25] <refuze2looze> sutabi: enable universe/multiverse
[01:25] <syntaxerror64> i don't have anything against microsoft really, i like using windows actually, but i want to learn something new.
[01:25] <LikesHisLunch> lotusleaf: but the problem with your argument is that very few of the "needs" that we commonly talk about are actually "needs" in your sense ... certainly not ANY of the needs that are relevant to the OS wars...
[01:25] <david_> hey
[01:25] <syntaxerror64> i don't have any real dedication or loyalty either.
[01:25] <xero> same here syntax
[01:25] <david_> does anyone know how to install the new ATI drivers?
[01:25] <david_> should i do the straight-up install of the distro specific one?
[01:25] <nalioth> DaSkreech: heaven help the peeps that NEED windows
[01:25] <refuze2looze> windows sucks i f***in hate it
[01:25] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: i can't believe you said taht
[01:25] <syntaxerror64> i _need_ to keep up on windows otherwise i don't make any $$$.
[01:25] <Tardis> everytime i try to install mplayer from synaptic or apt-get I get the following error...
[01:25] <DaSkreech> nalioth: Actually I think maybe we could start by helping them :-)
[01:26] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: are you trying to set me off?
[01:26] <LinuxJones> david_, yeah use the Ubuntu binaries
[01:26] <david_> windows runs games and all of my hardware without issues...
[01:26] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: do you like your privacy?
[01:26] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: lol, pretend you didn't see it.
[01:26] <Tardis> "The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:26] <david_> LinuxJones, gotcha
[01:26] <Tardis>   mplayer-586: Depends: libdirectfb-0.9-20 but it is not installable
[01:26] <Tardis>                Depends: libggi2 (>= 1:2.0.5) but it is not installable
[01:26] <Tardis>                Depends: xmms but it is not installable
[01:26] <Tardis> E: Broken packages
[01:26] <Tardis> "
[01:26] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: i have my windows box locked down nice and tight.  :)
[01:26] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: and how exactly do you like spending time on the puter?
[01:26] <lotusleaf> LikesHisLunch, however you twist the rope, it will still return to its original form, thus: philosophy and choice. No one needs a closed source solution IMO.
[01:26] <Tardis> what's this mean?
[01:26] <nalioth> DaSkreech: thats why im here. i've converted 3 of my clients to uubuntu so far
[01:27] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: yes, and you spend about 10% of your time fixing what you know about
[01:27] <Jormundgand> Tardis: Enable universe and multiverse.
[01:27] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: keeping up with virus defs, etc
[01:27] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: that is true...  but don't you think that if 95% of the pc's had linux it would be targeted and exploited badly as well?
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> syntaxerror64: no
[01:27] <Tardis> This would be in synaptic?  I was pretty sure that it was enabled.
[01:27] <ted_> sure it would
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> well, yes and no
[01:27] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: if you are not root, what is the point?
[01:27] <DaSkreech> syntaxerror64: Targeted Sure. Exploited no
[01:27] <Tardis> I'll check
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> there's more diversity, and a better desin to start with
[01:28] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: in winduhs everyONE is root
[01:28] <ted_> haha sure it would be exploited
[01:28] <HrdwrBoB> nalioth: still lots of point, there's lots you can do
[01:28] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: yes that is true
[01:28] <LikesHisLunch> lotusleaf: not in any absolute sense, no. But in a relative sense, sure. e.g. to achieve a working mail merge from my email contacts program without coding it myself, i seem to need Outlook....
[01:28] <ted_> every mouse trap can be foiled
[01:28] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: thats why we have massive fleets of zombie PCs out there now
[01:28] <LikesHisLunch> lotusleaf: what's weird about the concept of a relative need?
[01:28] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: i do agree with you, i'm not defending microsofts security policies they are awful.
[01:28] <lotusleaf> syntaxerror64, the key in your question starts and ends with the word "if". If pigs could fly, planes might find it harder to fly. If, if, if.
[01:28] <DaSkreech> nalioth: Of course you know that changes on the next update?
[01:28] <LikesHisLunch> lotusleaf: like ... i need to eat in order to live
[01:28] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: what i am saying tho, is that linux enjoys a comfort zone right now.
[01:28] <marilenny> hello
[01:28] <lotusleaf> LikesHisLunch, time to put the hard hat and tool belt on, now we're building to the needs with the relative? :P
[01:28] <syntaxerror64> lotusleaf: yes indeed...
[01:29] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: i hate the fact, that if you're an ignorant (read NEW) user to comptuers, m$ will p0wnd you
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> syntaxerror64: this has been bandied about many times before
[01:29] <LikesHisLunch> lotusleaf: of course
[01:29] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: linux is UNIX
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> YES it would be targetted more
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> NO it would not be as bad
[01:29] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: unix has been around about 30 years
[01:29] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: w/o too many 'exploits'
[01:29] <syntaxerror64> HrdwrBoB: yes just friendly chatter that has come up i'm not defending microsoft.
[01:29] <sutabi> lol refuze2looze, sorry but am I doing that wrong? bash: enable: universe/multiverse: not a shell builtin
[01:29] <DaSkreech> To get back onto the topic of Ubuntu :-)
[01:29] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: yes but once it hits the "home" market...
[01:29] <Tardis> Jormundgand: it seems that they are enabled.
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> syntaxerror64: and neither am I attacking
[01:29] <refuze2looze> lotusleaf: when i try to run the Enemy Territory: Fortress FULL installation (not the upgrade patch) it tells me "You must install Enemy Territory: Fortress before starting this installation program". =) pretty funny
[01:29] <odie5533> Whats a good IDE for linux? (not text editor)
[01:30] <DaSkreech> Has anyone anyidea what they are doing with Synaptic
[01:30] <marilenny> need some help with rythmbox, says Could not open resource for writing.
[01:30] <Jormundgand> Tardis: Hmm. Have you done apt-get update?
[01:30] <nalioth> sutabi: use a text editor as root on /etc/apt/sources.lilst
[01:30] <marilenny> any thoughts
[01:30] <nalioth> list even
[01:30] <Tardis> yes
[01:30] <odie5533> DaSkreech, I do
[01:30] <lotusleaf> refuze2looze, :P I've never tried it. I tend to shy away from 3rd party add-ons
[01:30] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: are you using default ubuntu?
[01:30] <DaSkreech> odie5533: Whats this about a visual presentation of the programs?
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> odie5533: both vim and emacs have advanced IDE like uses
[01:30] <Jormundgand> Tardis: Hoary or Breezy?
[01:30] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: is htere a ROOT account?
[01:30] <Tardis> Jormundgand: Hoary
[01:30] <lotusleaf> refuze2looze, I just download additional maps made by the ET community to enhance the experience.
[01:30] <ted_> Linuz has already been hit by it's own share of exploits
[01:30] <LikesHisLunch> odie5533: NetBeans, Quanta, Bluefish - depending on what you're coding (or more classically emacs or vim)
[01:30] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: no not unless i set it up
[01:30] <ted_> linux*
[01:30] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: if you didnt know about root and users, would you go off and make a root account?
[01:30] <Jormundgand> Tardis: No idea then, sorry.
[01:30] <odie5533> DaSkreech, what do you mean?
[01:30] <Tardis> Jormund: cool
[01:30] <odie5533> Any visual editors?
[01:31] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: have you seen you've hit my pet peeve?
[01:31] <nalioth> odie5533: gedit
[01:31] <nalioth> odie5533: kedit
[01:31] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: yes indeed i have :)
[01:31] <nalioth> odie5533: kate
[01:31] <DaSkreech> odie5533: Have you seen the porjects for Breezy?
[01:31] <odie5533> Visual... drag and drop an edit box =P
[01:31] <ted_> nalioth but there are some things that any computer user would eventually need root acess to use or do
[01:31] <DaSkreech> odie5533: Projects sorry
[01:31] <odie5533> I've seen some
[01:31] <ted_> sudo is a good solution but not perfect there is no perfect solution
[01:31] <LikesHisLunch> odie5533: do you mean visual editor as in like Windows Notepad... or one where you actually lay out the visual appearance of the program (in which case NetBeans is a java example)
[01:31] <nalioth> ted_: and theat is why ubuntu uses 'sudo'
[01:31] <refuze2looze> sutabi: it's not a command.. see the ubuntu Wiki about enabling universe/multiverse, install GParted, look at your partitions and you should be able to see what you need to put (ie. /dev/hdb1) in fstab. if you're still having problems after this let me know
[01:32] <DaSkreech> odie5533: One of the aims is to have a Visual tapestry I think was the phrase used Of the programs that are installed and installable
[01:32] <odie5533> Visual Editor like MSV Studio
[01:32] <nalioth> ted_: syntaxerror64 'sudo' is the lesser of two evils
[01:32] <syntaxerror64> nalioth:  i shall _never_ bring up windows in your presence again :)
[01:32] <nalioth> odie5533: there is one, but atm i can't think of the name
[01:32] <ted_> and sudo has been exploited before
[01:32] <nalioth> odie5533: there is one for the KDE suite
[01:32] <odie5533> any for GNOME?
[01:32] <lotusleaf> syntaxerror64, do yourself a favor and never bring up windows in your presence :)
[01:32] <odie5533> or non-x dependant?
[01:32] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: not at all, i like typing 70wmp
[01:33] <syntaxerror64> lotusleaf: lol
[01:33] <DaSkreech> odie5533: Would you like the URL?
[01:33] <nalioth> lotusleaf: touche
[01:33] <odie5533> nalioth: Learn to type slower =O
[01:33] <LikesHisLunch> odi5533: i don't know of a C-language related visual editor - but there may well be one (I don't code any C stuff at all)
[01:33] <odie5533> DaSkreech, sure
[01:33] <syntaxerror64> lotusleaf: i have a 3ghz pc sitting next to me with an xp desktop staring at me right now
[01:33] <odie5533> LikesHisLunch, what do you code
[01:33] <ted_> well dinner time had fun all
[01:33] <ted_> take care
[01:33] <syntaxerror64> funny thing is this athlon 800mhz thunderbird runs ubuntu just as well at times it appears
[01:34] <anto9us> syntaxerror64: simliar amounts of memory?
[01:34] <lotusleaf> syntaxerror64, I bet QNX 4 floppy would really go fast on that
[01:34] <marilenny> need some help with rhythmbox, says Could not open resource for writing whenever i click on a song
[01:34] <marilenny> any thoughts?
[01:34] <nalioth> odie5533: if you search in synaptic, you'll find the kde thing i was mentioning
[01:34] <LinuxJones> marilenny, is it an mp3 your trying to play ?
[01:34] <odie5533> nalioth: I know of KDevelop, I want one for gnome or independant
[01:34] <LikesHisLunch> odie5533: very little indeed - i used to code a tiny bit of Java - now it's mainly PHP
[01:34] <syntaxerror64> anto9us: no, i have 384 megs of ram on this pc and 1GB on the other
[01:34] <marilenny> yup
[01:34] <paulproteus> marilenny: You're using kubuntu or ubuntu?
[01:34] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: i stopped building winduhs boxen for my clients a long time ago
[01:34] <paulproteus> If kubuntu, ask in #kubuntu - they may know more about your setup.
[01:34] <odie5533> LikesHisLunch: PHP is yucky =P Java's nice though
[01:34] <syntaxerror64> anto9us: i was going to upgrade this one but some in here have told me 384 is fine
[01:34] <nalioth> odie5533: ok then, thats all i know
[01:34] <paulproteus> I gtg, poof.
[01:34] <DaSkreech> odie5533: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoftwareMap
[01:34] <DaSkreech> the software map
[01:35] <LinuxJones> marilenny, you need to install support for mp3's you should check out www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:35] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: i find it morally objectionable to expose a new user to it
[01:35] <marilenny> ubuntu;) under kde ;)
[01:35] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: well, funny you would mention that, i have an older neighbor who i am constantly having to go over and clean his pc and was considering just installing ubuntu for him
[01:35] <marilenny> is all here
[01:35] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: please do
[01:35] <marilenny> amarok and juk plays them fine
[01:35] <anto9us> syntaxerror64: yeah, just goes to show that every day usage doesn't require the latest and greatest hardware
[01:35] <marilenny> and everything gstreamer is installed
[01:35] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: but i'm afraid he would be totally lost and i'd not have the knowledge yet to help him
[01:35] <nalioth> anto9us: heck no, i'm on a 3+ year old ibook right now
[01:35] <syntaxerror64> anto9us: i built this pc out of spare parts laying about
[01:35] <DaSkreech> anto9us: Longhorn might require Dual Core PCs :-)
[01:36] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: as long as you put icons on his desktop, he'll be fine
[01:36] <LinuxJones> marilenny, when in gnome it doesn't play mp3's ?
[01:36] <lotusleaf> DaSkreech, Duke Nukem Forever might require double that, so I hear :P
[01:36] <DaSkreech> syntaxerror64: Teachi him IRC and tell him don't mention windows :-)
[01:36] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: icon for mail, icon for browser, etc
[01:36] <marilenny> im in kde
[01:36] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: then again, he wouldn't need help as he'd not be clicking damn attachments in email and other such activity
[01:36] <syntaxerror64> DaSkreech: hahaha
[01:36] <marilenny> but shouldnt matter the environment tho
[01:36] <nalioth> morally objectionable i find windoze
[01:36] <anto9us> I've got a whole department in work using 500mhz 256Mb desktops running ubuntu, all they use is a browser mostly, they're fine
[01:36] <DaSkreech> odie5533: Did you catch that?
[01:37] <DaSkreech> nalioth: Morally?
[01:37] <Davey> is there any HD video support for linux? (H.264)
[01:37] <odie5533> DaSkreech: Yes, i dont know what you need
[01:37] <nalioth> DaSkreech: i have been building boxen for clients for years. i dont build a windoze box unless i'm replacing a widoze box
[01:37] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: i have a mac too, find that objectionable?  :)
[01:37] <jwb> davey: there's an open h.264 codec and videolan (vlc) supports it
[01:37] <DaSkreech> odie5533: I'd like to know if there is any work on this that will affect Synaptic
[01:37] <nalioth> DaSkreech: for my new (ignorant of putes) clients i build ubuntu boxen
[01:37] <DaSkreech> nalioth: Right
[01:37] <odie5533> I don't really know, but I do doubt it
[01:38] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: macs are great!
[01:38] <jwb> is there a standard workaround for the /usr/bin/X11 fuckup in breezy?
[01:38] <DaSkreech> nalioth: Where does the morals come in?
[01:38] <syntaxerror64> DaSkreech: i believe the lesson learned today is nalioth does not like windows one bit.
[01:38] <anto9us> DaSkreech: longhorn looks a bit big brotherish to me
[01:38] <DaSkreech> odie5533: What is that supposed to be then?
[01:38] <odie5533> Nalioth + Windows = love
[01:38] <p0m> Anyone up for helping me with the new xorg-fglrx?
[01:38] <nalioth> DaSkreech: have you seen WHAT data is transmitted from a windows box?
[01:38] <odie5533> DaSkreech: No idea
[01:38] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: do not fear, longhorn will fix all these problems!  lol
[01:38] <jwb> dist-upgrade would be faster without updatedb swamping the disks
[01:38] <DaSkreech> anto9us: It isn't but it's taking firm steps in that direction
[01:38] <LinuxJones> marilenny, have you tried asking in #kubuntu ?
[01:39] <odie5533> nalioth: Do you dislike windows?
[01:39] <DaSkreech> nalioth: Yes
[01:39] <nalioth> odie5533: fiery fiery fiery (to the point of a cinder) burnin love
[01:39] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: bulls**t!!!
[01:39] <odie5533> How can you not like windows! =P
[01:39] <marilenny> lets try it :)
[01:39] <syntaxerror64> if nalioth had his way, redmond would be in flames and ruins right now i do believe.
[01:39] <LinuxJones> marilenny, GL :)
[01:39] <DaSkreech> nalioth: I hope you can recognize a joke when you see one ;)
[01:39] <nalioth> odie5533: do i dislike windoze? (throwing apoplectic fit)
[01:39] <jwb> p0m do you have an actual question?
[01:39] <LinuxJones> OK guys please stay on topic
[01:39] <syntaxerror64> odie5533: i think you may have come in on this one a few minutes too late
[01:39] <elui> kernel sources
[01:39] <nalioth> DaSkreech: sorry got a red film over the eyes atm
[01:40] <DaSkreech> Yeah I tried that LinuxJones
[01:40] <p0m> jwb: Well, aside from why doesn't the BinaryDriver hint actually work :)
[01:40] <elui> kernel sources... sorry, where do I get kernel sources?
[01:40] <LinuxJones> DaSkreech, :(
[01:40] <anto9us> syntaxerror64: that would suit me too, windows has taken up far more of my life than I care to have given it
[01:40] <lotusleaf> What if M$ turned into a non-profit fundie christian church with the reverand leader being that comedian who does the goat noises on comedy central?
[01:40] <odie5533> Dude I must say I love windows with a passion, and I do ubuntu more, but still
[01:40] <jwb> p0m: no DRI, or no work at all
[01:40] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: nope, just full of linux devs
[01:40] <syntaxerror64> lotusleaf: what if microsoft came out with their own distro of Linux?
[01:40] <p0m> I need to get DRI working again, and unfortunately, it seems since I upgraded from warty to hoary, I can't for the life of me get DRI.
[01:40] <lotusleaf> syntaxerror64, are you from the future? Are you talking about M$:Solaris?
[01:40] <wm_eddie> syntaxerror64, Not gonna happen.
[01:40] <DaSkreech> Breezy seems to be a bit more broken than Hoary
[01:41] <p0m> I'm getting the (WW) fglrx(0): Kernel Module version does *not* match driver.
[01:41] <p0m> (EE) fglrx(0): incompatible kernel module detected - HW accelerated OpenGL will
[01:41] <p0m> not work
[01:41] <jwb> breezy is more broken than slacker 1.6
[01:41] <p0m> Message.
[01:41] <syntaxerror64> lotusleaf: that must be what i had read they were working on
[01:41] <wm_eddie> DaSkreech, You don't say!!! OMGLOLZ
[01:41] <p0m> But I have the restricted kernel modules etc.
[01:41] <anto9us> syntaxerror64: Microsoft did a Unix once, I think it was called Xenix.. guess what.. it sucked
[01:41] <LinuxJones> Guys please take any non-Ubuntu related conversations to #off-topic !!!
[01:41] <nalioth> wow guys, you've raised my core temp a bit
[01:41] <lotusleaf> LinuxJones, there's an offtopic ubuntu channel?
[01:41] <DaSkreech> wm_eddie: I mean it is more broken than Hoary ever was
[01:41] <syntaxerror64> LinuxJones: this is ubuntu related, we are talking about how much it rules.
[01:41] <jwb> p0m: recompile the ati modules?
[01:41] <p0m> Why should I bother?
[01:42] <anaxagoras> hey everybody
[01:42] <LinuxJones> syntaxerror64, this is a help channel not a debating channel :)
[01:42] <jwb> j3bus.  x11 in breezy is completely hosed
[01:42] <nalioth> well back to work
[01:42] <DaSkreech> hoary was usable after a few weeks if you didn't mind things being iffy
[01:42] <syntaxerror64> nalioth: my apologies for getting you heated up there, was not intentional.
[01:42] <DaSkreech> Breezy is 50k3n!!
[01:42] <lotusleaf> wow, #ubuntu-offtopic does exist after all but there's only 2 other people in there. Exciting. :P
[01:42] <nalioth> LinuxJones: and windoze users need lots and lots of help
[01:42] <jwb> p0m: because you want it to work
[01:42] <anaxagoras> which entrys in the /etc/apr/sources.list are a must have? :)
[01:42] <syntaxerror64> LinuxJones: ok, here's a question for you then...
[01:42] <DaSkreech> 1337 57y13
[01:42] <p0m> Anyhow, does anyone have any ideas aside from recompiling the ati modules?
[01:42] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: not problemic at all
[01:43] <syntaxerror64> anaxagoras: if you go to the ubuntu starter guide, i did everything in that list but the backports.
[01:43] <syntaxerror64> lol
[01:43] <DaSkreech> nalioth: You missed a bit there
[01:43] <LinuxJones> nalioth_wrkn, I understand, but the discussion was off-topic.
[01:43] <jwb> er, what's so bad about recompiling?  that's what you do when it says "incompatible modules"
[01:43] <wm_eddie> recompile your binaries.
[01:43] <lotusleaf> Perhaps there should be a channel: #ubuntu-backports for backports related discussion? ^_^
[01:43] <nalioth_wrkn> LinuxJones: roger that
[01:43] <anaxagoras> syntaxerror64: id dont mean the universe packages .. beause i uncommented them already
[01:44] <DaSkreech> Unless anyone has any insight to the software map?
[01:44] <DaSkreech> Anyone?
[01:44] <DaSkreech> :-D
[01:44] <jwb> heh, /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg is a symlink to itself in breezy
[01:44] <LinuxJones> nalioth_wrkn, no biggy happens all the time :)
[01:44] <refuze2looze> sutabi: you got it working?
[01:44] <wm_eddie> It's on the TODO list :p
[01:44] <jwb> *goes back to Debian*
[01:45] <raptoid> hi
[01:45] <raptoid> helpme
[01:45] <raptoid> root@ubuntu:/usr/src/linux-2.6.11.11 # make menuconfig
[01:45] <raptoid> /usr/bin/ld: -lncurses bulunamad
[01:45] <raptoid> collect2: ld k durumu 1 ile dnd
[01:45] <raptoid> >> Unable to find the Ncurses libraries.
[01:45] <raptoid> >>
[01:45] <raptoid> >> You must install ncurses-devel in order
[01:45] <raptoid> >> to use 'make menuconfig'
[01:45] <raptoid> ?
[01:45] <Eddie> sudo apt-get install ncurses-devel
[01:45] <vini> I instaled now my ubuntu, but it dont ask me the root password... how can I say what is the root pass?
[01:45] <DaSkreech> apt-get install ncurses-devel?
[01:45] <jwb> raptoid: apt-get install ncurses-devel
[01:45] <raptoid> root@ubuntu:/usr/src/linux-2.6.11.11 # apt-get install ncurses-devel
[01:45] <raptoid> Reading package lists... Done
[01:45] <raptoid> Building dependency tree... Done
[01:45] <raptoid> E: Couldn't find package ncurses-devel
[01:45] <raptoid> root@ubuntu:/usr/src/linux-2.6.11.11 # apt-get install ncurses
[01:45] <raptoid> Reading package lists... Done
[01:45] <raptoid> Building dependency tree... Done
[01:45] <raptoid> Package ncurses is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[01:45] <raptoid> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[01:45] <raptoid> is only available from another source
[01:45] <raptoid> E: Package ncurses has no installation candidate
[01:45] <raptoid> ?
[01:46] <raptoid> E: Couldn't find package ncurses-devel
[01:46] <syntaxerror64> HrdwrBoB: you still here?
[01:46] <IcemanV9> raptoid: no flooding in here, please. paste in #flood OR ubuntu.pastebin.com
[01:46] <raptoid> sorry
[01:46] <raptoid> IcemanV9, help me..
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> syntaxerror64: yeah
[01:47] <jwb> apt-get build-dep linux-source-2.6.12
[01:47] <marilenny> dam nobody in kubuntu :(
[01:47] <syntaxerror64> HrdwrBoB: i have a clean ubuntu installed, and have added a second hard drive.  can you tell me in linux how to set that drive up?
[01:47] <IcemanV9> raptoid: sudo apt-get install ncurses-devel
[01:47] <DaSkreech> marilenny: Really?
[01:47] <raptoid> IcemanV9, E: Couldn't find package ncurses-devel
[01:47] <anto9us> vini: sudo passwd - then type your own password and you'll then be prompted for new root password and confirmation
[01:47] <jwb> raptoid: there is NOT a ncurses-devel package.  install libncurses5-dev instead
[01:47] <p0m> Ok then, I suppose I should ask. I'm recompiling a module, so I download a deb-src and recompile that?
[01:47] <vini> thanks anto9us
[01:47] <HrdwrBoB> syntaxerror64: yes, where is it plugged in
[01:48] <marilenny> on person talkng to me
[01:48] <jwb> raptoid: or as I said earlier, apt-get build-dep linux-source-2.6.12
[01:48] <syntaxerror64> HrdwrBoB: 80GB drive is master (ubuntu is installed on this drive), new 20GB drive is slave
[01:48] <raptoid> jwb, oke thnks
[01:48] <DaSkreech> ope two :-)
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> syntaxerror64: in a one line guide, as root, cfdisk /dev/hdd, create a partition, mke2fs /dev/hdd1, add it to /etc/fstab, mount /mnt/point
[01:48] <raptoid> jwb, manuel kernel
[01:49] <jwb> raptoid: doesn't matter, that will still pull in everything you need to build the kernel.
[01:49] <syntaxerror64> HrdwrBoB: can i just drop to a command line and do this right now?
[01:49] <HrdwrBoB> syntaxerror64: yeah
[01:50] <jwb> oh man this is so broken.
[01:50] <jwb> i wish breezy would stick to the standards of at least debian experimental (e.g. package actually compiles, actually installs, and actually runs)
[01:50] <syntaxerror64> HrdwrBoB: i started with the first command " cfdisk /dev/hdd" but it gave me a fatal error saying it could not locate the drive.
[01:51] <raptoid> jwb, apt-get build-dep linux-source-2.6.12 E: Unable to find a source package for linux-source-2.6.12
[01:51] <raptoid> whats problem?
[01:51] <jwb> raptoid: what are you running?  hoary?
[01:51] <IcemanV9> raptoid: in case of failed, run 'sudo apt-get build-dep linux-source-2.6.12'
[01:52] <p0m> DaSkreech: Thanks anyhow.
[01:52] <raptoid> sorry sorry
[01:52] <raptoid> :)
[01:52] <p0m> It's better than the responses I used to get while running FC.
[01:52] <jwb> in hoary it might be another version, try linux-source-2.6.11 or whatever shipped in hoary
[01:52] <p0m> It was usuall "RTFM NOOB" or something along those lines.
[01:52] <raptoid> Reading package lists... Done
[01:52] <raptoid> Building dependency tree... Done
[01:52] <raptoid> E: Unable to find a source package for linux-source-2.6.12
[01:52] <raptoid> root@ubuntu:/usr/src/linux-2.6.11.11 #
[01:52] <DaSkreech> Looks like a good Xen Showcase :)
[01:52] <jwb> 4 monitors?
[01:53] <IcemanV9> raptoid: make it linux-source-2.6.10
[01:53] <anto9us> p0m: I think all you need are your kernel headers
[01:53] <p0m> Wait.. I'm recompiling the kernel? I thought it was just the module.
[01:53] <jwb> p0m: yes you need the kernel's headers to compile the modules
[01:53] <p0m> Ohh, duh.
[01:54] <DaSkreech> jwb: Do you recommend it?
[01:54] <anto9us> p0m: the compiler references the kernel headers to compile the module
[01:54] <jwb> daskreech: it's pretty okay
[01:54] <anto9us> p0m: that's how I understand it, anyhow
[01:54] <jwb> daskreech: there's not a lot of room for the vid card.  i took the fan off my radeon
[01:54] <DaSkreech> jwb: Where did you buy it?
[01:54] <p0m> Hrm.
[01:54] <DaSkreech> jwb: I'm going to be using the IGP
[01:54] <p0m> There's no header packages for 2.6.8.
[01:55] <jwb> daskreech: ah, then that would be good.  i bought mine locally (central computer in san francisco, if you know the place)
[01:55] <jwb> the IGP can do four monitors?
[01:55] <shido> IGP?
[01:55] <DaSkreech> jwb: Yep
[01:56] <jwb> wow
[01:56] <syntaxerror64> HrdwrBoB: it was "/dev/hdg" on here
[01:56] <DonL> Speaking of kernels, I'm running an Athlon XP2600 but using a X86 kernel. Just noticed some K versions in Synaptic. I should use one of those, right?
[01:56] <DaSkreech> according tothe documentation
[01:56] <jwb> DonL: you might get some advantage from the -K7 builds
[01:56] <anto9us> p0m: try apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:56] <Davey> *doh* just installed totem-xine... on my server :/
[01:56] <HrdwrBoB> syntaxerror64: yeah, no biggie
[01:56] <p0m> I can't find a headers package in my listing.
[01:56] <p0m> That's the problem.
[01:56] <jwb> p0m: are you running a locally-built kernel?
[01:57] <DaSkreech> jwb: Well actually the Box can do 4 monitors :-(
[01:57] <p0m> No.
[01:57] <DonL> jwb, thanks. Maybe I'll try. Should be no prob getting back if it fails though I would guess
[01:57] <syntaxerror64> HrdwrBoB: i didn't know that at first i had to figure it out
[01:57] <gary_> I have no sound for this ubuntu
[01:57] <DaSkreech> Possibly the IGP does two and a card does two more?
[01:57] <p0m> I was running Warty, upgraded to Hoary using a DVD.
[01:57] <p0m> Just as I thought, no headers package.
[01:57] <DaSkreech> shido: IGP == Integrated Graphics Processor
[01:58] <jwb> p0m: i would recommend installing the linux-image and linux-headers packages from hoary and rebooting
[01:58] <gary_> hello
[01:58] <p0m> Which ones are those?
[01:58] <p0m> 2.6.8.1-3 isn't it I'm guessing.
[01:58] <anto9us> hi
[01:58] <jwb> p0m: no idea, i'm on breezy.  apt-cache search linux 2.6
[01:58] <p0m> Hang on, I'll get rid of the internet repos and try the DVD for it.
[01:58] <gary_> how do I get sound?
[01:58] <jwb> gary_: pick up a trumpet, blow into it
[01:59] <jwb> alternately, slap a piano
[01:59] <gary_> ya thanks
[01:59] <p0m> Or a female.
[01:59] <gary_> smart ass
[01:59] <anto9us> gary_: you'll need to be more specific about your problem
[01:59] <gary_> I have no sound with ubuntu
[01:59] <DaSkreech> gary_: Yet correct
[01:59] <DaSkreech> gary_: What sound card do you have?
[01:59] <xero> anyone know how to install xine?
[01:59] <IcemanV9> interesting, you can transport XPC like a notebook. even they have a carrying bag for it.
[01:59] <gary_> I have no idea
[02:00] <gary_> new to linux
[02:00] <jwb> gary_: output of 'lspci | grep -i audio' ?
[02:01] <jwb> doh
[02:01] <DaSkreech> jwb: a little gentler with the newbs
[02:01] <e0f> i've got a problem with my dsl, when i start the connection with rppppoe, ppp0 work, bu look this : www.strisciacc.com/Schermata.png
[02:01] <e0f> help me
[02:02] <e0f> i've got a eth modem d-link 302t
[02:02] <sutabi> um... my gparted says sda1 is fat32 and I define that in my fstab, but when I mount I get fat32 unknow
[02:02] <p0m> Sempron 2400 would be a k7 variant kernel right?
[02:02] <eve7698> I've got a PowerPC issue, anyone leet with ppc?
[02:03] <jwb> subati: vfat
[02:03] <jwb> eve: running on two powerbooks and a powermac here
[02:03] <p0m> Duh, it does seem like for some reason the apt-get upgrade didn't upgrade the kernel.
[02:04] <jwb> i don't think apt-get upgrade ever upgrades the kernel
[02:04] <Razor-X> mmm, cplay kicks total ass
[02:04] <p0m> That would explain the problem with the fglrx driver.
[02:04] <Razor-X> I have to reccomend it to everyone
[02:04] <jwb> p0m: also sempron is k7, true
[02:04] <p0m> Cheers.
[02:04] <Razor-X> so, everyone here, use cplay for your audio!
[02:04] <Razor-X> ;)
[02:04] <IcemanV9> e0f: did you try pppoeconf?
[02:04] <eve7698> jwb: my problem is wireless on a powerbook
[02:05] <jwb> eve: airport extreme?
[02:05] <eve7698> jwb: I have a bcm4306 card
[02:05] <e0f> IcemanV9: ya, but it's equal then rppppoeconf
[02:05] <eve7698> jwb: no
[02:05] <e0f> *rppppoe
[02:05] <eve7698> jwb: do you know how to set it up?
[02:05] <IcemanV9> never try rpppoe; so i cannot help ya there.
[02:05] <jwb> eve: never tried it personally, but why don't you describe the problem
[02:05] <eve7698> jwb: well...
[02:06] <eve7698> jwb: I've never known any other way to set up wireless cards other than ndiswrapper
[02:06] <eve7698> jwb: but I can't get ndiswrapper working on my powerbook...
[02:06] <jwb> right, nor will you be able to
[02:07] <eve7698> jwb: which seems to make sense, ndiswrapper (I believe) is a windows network api emulator type deal
[02:07] <eve7698> jwb: so have you set a wireless card up?
[02:07] <blueyed> Does anyone use the krusader ubuntu package? Could you please check if F1 (help) works (==shows the help)?
[02:07] <p0m> Ok, next stupid question. Anyone know how I get rid of the system beep when modprobe tries to load blacklisted modules?
[02:08] <sutabi> =_=
[02:08] <blueyed> p0m: how do you blacklist modules?
[02:08] <jwb> eve: yes, i use a cisco wlan adapter
[02:08] <crim> blueyed: you append them to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[02:08] <eve7698> jwb: how'd you get it working?
[02:09] <nickrud> eof have you tried pinging 216.239.39.104 (google.it)
[02:09] <jwb> eve: i stuck it in the pcmcia slot and it started working
[02:09] <p0m> There's a few modules that used to not be able to be loaded in Warty, it seems they're blacklisted now.
[02:09] <p0m> jwb: Thanks for your help. I can play NWN again now :)
[02:09] <e0f> nickrud: ya, 216.239.39.104 work :)
[02:09] <jwb> p0m: no problem
[02:10] <sutabi> Gpart is no reading my other HD =_=
[02:10] <p0m> Remember to upgrade kernel when you upgrade the system, as apt won't.
[02:10] <eve7698> jwb: so mine should do the same if it is supported?
[02:10] <jwb> eve: there's no end of trouble with newer wlan chipsets.  i would google for "linux wlan ng" and see if you can find information about your chipset
[02:10] <p0m> Ndiswrapper causes issues with my keyboard on my box.
[02:10] <nickrud> e0f one of the things pppoeconf does is set up your provider's dns servers for resolv.conf.
[02:10] <p0m> I get random repeats of characters.
[02:10] <jwb> eve: if you had a "prism2" wlan card, you could probably just slap it in and go
[02:11] <eve7698> jwb: so I've heard : \
[02:11] <eve7698> jwb: thanks
[02:11] <p0m> Ugh.
[02:12] <p0m> Note to anyone here, make sure you change your cron when you install Tiger.
[02:12] <p0m> I've got like 200 mail messages from Tiger, one every two hours for the last week.
[02:12] <jwb> haha
[02:12] <p0m> And mail doesn't support mass delete
[02:13] <blueyed> try mutt, p0m
[02:13] <jwb> mail for macos is both bad and awful.  evolution is far better
[02:13] <p0m> Ohh echo, how I love you.
[02:13] <cthulfuego> p0m: Tiger isn't mailing anyone via cron, here.
[02:13] <p0m> sudo echo "" /var/mail/p0m
[02:13] <p0m> sudo echo "" > /var/mail/p0m
[02:14] <p0m> Rather.
[02:14] <cthulfuego> p0m: No, > drops privs. And you can write to your own mail file ANWYAY.
[02:14] <jwb> *does not expect apt-get dist-upgrade to actually work*
[02:14] <p0m> cthulfuego: Good point.
[02:14] <chombee> Hey - how do I find out the mount point of /dev/hdb ?
[02:14] <p0m> I'm just in the habit of sudoing when I write to anywhere but home.
[02:14] <cthulfuego> p0m: cat /dev/null > /var/mail/$LOGNAME
[02:14] <p0m> chombee: mount
[02:15] <p0m> It'll list what's mounted.
[02:15] <p0m> If not, you'll have to add an entry to fstab.
[02:15] <psychonate> it's also listed in /etc/fstab
[02:15] <jwb> whoa crap.  package removal!
[02:15] <p0m> psychonate: Less work to type mount though :)
[02:16] <jwb> so long, gaim
[02:16] <p0m> Haha.
[02:16] <chombee> I don't see the device listed from mount or in fstab, but when I tried to mount it it said the dev was already mounted
[02:16] <p0m> I wish I could drop gaim for exodus or psi.
[02:16] <chombee> it's a windows filesystem, fresh install of ubuntu
[02:16] <p0m> But I need qt, and exodus isn't in the universe.
[02:17] <jwb> chombee: if it thinks it's mounted, just unmount it first
[02:17] <p0m> chombee: Fat, or NTFS?
[02:17] <p0m> sudo umount /dev/hdb1 should owrk.
[02:17] <chombee> jwb - how do I unmount it? I don't know the mount point!
[02:17] <chombee> p0m - FAT
[02:17] <jwb> chombee: you can unmount it by device name
[02:17] <anto9us> chombee: type mount | grep hdb
[02:18] <chombee> jwb - sudo umount /dev/hdb - not mounted
[02:18] <jwb> chombee: that's unlikely to be mounted.  wouldn't it be hdb2 or hdb2 or something?
[02:18] <chombee> sudo mount /dev/hdb /media/windows/ -t vfat -o umask=000
[02:18] <p0m> chombee: It was hdb1, right? :)
[02:18] <chombee> mount: /dev/hdb already mounted or /media/windows/ busy
[02:18] <p0m> Ohh.
[02:18] <ablyss> do umount /mnt/mounted_device-name
[02:18] <chombee> p0m - well, the device is hdb, I don't know what partitions are on it
[02:18] <ablyss> sudo umount /mnt/mounted_device_name
[02:18] <p0m> sudo /umount/windows doesn't work?
[02:19] <jwb> chombee: there's your first problem.  use fdisk to figure out the partitions
[02:19] <p0m> You might have to try rebooting, sometimes filesystems become busy for no reason.
[02:19] <jwb> you can just mount /dev/hdb and expect some magical thing to figure out which partition you meant
[02:19] <chombee> jwb - example?
[02:19] <p0m> No, wait, that's windows :)
[02:19] <jwb> rather, you CANNOT
[02:19] <jwb> chombee: fdisk /dev/hdb <enter> p <enter>
[02:20] <robert__> Hey, when I try to install cc or gcc with 'apt-get insall cc (or gcc)', it keeps telling me to put in the ubuntu cd-rom, even if it is in there. i need gcc to compile a program i have, any ideas?
[02:20] <anto9us> p0m: actually, gam and fam are busy little partition lockeruppers in my experience
[02:20] <robert__> er
[02:20] <Razor-X> the Ubuntu maintainers should make Eubuntu
[02:20] <Razor-X> (pronounced Ew-buntu)
[02:20] <p0m> anto9us: I know what you mean. I've had fam lock up my entire system once.
[02:21] <p0m> 98.7% CPU time.
[02:21] <p0m> Never figured out how or why.
[02:21] <AlanD> ...
[02:21] <Razor-X> guess what it'll have? ;)
[02:21] <chombee> THANKS ALL - it's done, and now I know how to do it
[02:21] <Jormundgand> AlanD: Wiggle the CD a bit. Sometimes mine doesn't respond for no good reason.
[02:21] <ablyss> hey guys I have a problem.. i set up iptables to do internet sharing and now on workstation ( IP 192.168.1.4 ) which points to my linux router IP 192.168.1.1 ... isn't handling FTP.. I can log in to a FTP site but can't run in commands
[02:21] <Razor-X> everyone gives up?
[02:21] <IcemanV9> Ubuntu w/ enlightenment?
[02:22] <Razor-X> IcemanV9: correctumundo! ;)
[02:22] <IcemanV9> are you using E17??
[02:22] <Razor-X> no, only because this is a KDE box
[02:23] <Razor-X> but, since Enlightenment is quite compatible with Gnome
[02:23] <AlanD> anyone?
[02:23] <Razor-X> it would kick some major ass
[02:23] <IcemanV9> i haven't tried it yet, but screenshots look good. :)
[02:23] <ablyss> i presume the FTP server is reading router IP 192.168.1.1 and not my real IP 192.168.1.4
[02:23] <Razor-X> ablyss: ahh, sorry, not too versed in iptables meslf
[02:23] <xero> i get an error when trying to configure xine. this error comes up at the end of the processes when i type in ./configure
[02:23] <xero> can anyone help me out?
[02:23] <AlanD> I have a few different apt repositories in the sources.list, so why isn't it going over to those ?
[02:23] <Razor-X> xero: use VLC then
[02:23] <Razor-X> AlanD: sudo apt-get update
[02:24] <ablyss> i prolly could remedy this issue by setting up a internal proxy
[02:24] <LaCamiseta> AlanD: you could edit /etc/apt/sources.lst and comment out the line pointing to the CD
[02:24] <AlanD> Razor-X: i have
[02:24] <AlanD> good idea, LaCamiseta
[02:24] <xero> razor-x ive never used VLC, how do i use it?
[02:25] <darmou> Hi all does anyone know of a free x-windows client for windows?
[02:25] <Razor-X> xero: sudo apt-get vlc
[02:25] <Razor-X> AlanD: ohhh, Live CD, didn't know that
[02:26] <Razor-X> xero: VLC can handle just about any format
[02:26] <Razor-X> darmou: Cygwin-X
[02:26] <xero> razor-x: k thanks
[02:26] <IcemanV9> enlightenment 1:0.16.6-3ubuntu1 .. hm 17 ain't there yet.
[02:26] <darmou> Razor-x thanks
[02:26] <Razor-X> IcemanV9: awww -_-
[02:27] <Razor-X> still, someone should make an Enlightenment build
[02:27] <Razor-X> *distro
[02:27] <Jormundgand> Razor-X: Scratch your itch, if you want. Others will surely follow.
[02:27] <crim> enlightenment may as well be a distro, like emacs, once it's completed
[02:28] <xero> razor-x: it says 'E: Invalid opteration vlc'
[02:28] <Razor-X> Jormundgand: the limiting factor is HDD space
[02:28] <Razor-X> xero: sudo apt-get install vlc, sorry
[02:28] <xero> razor-x
[02:28] <xero> oops
[02:28] <xero> thanks
[02:28] <Razor-X> crim: emacs is a distro?
[02:28] <Razor-X> it's barely a text editor, that I know
[02:29] <Razor-X> (a jack-of-all trades master at nothing, in my opinion)
[02:30] <xero> razor-x, ok, i typed in 'sudo apt-get install vlc' and now its finished. what do i do now?
[02:30] <Razor-X> xero: type in 'vlc'
[02:30] <Razor-X> et voila
[02:30] <Razor-X> C'est un vlc ;)
[02:31] <crim> Razor-X: some people consider it a distro ;)
[02:31] <Razor-X> crim: well let them, it's nothing to me ;0
[02:31] <Razor-X> *;)
[02:31] <AlanD> i've never heard anyone refer to emacs as a distro
[02:31] <crim> AlanD: now you have.
[02:31] <Jormundgand> Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping.
[02:31] <AlanD> crim: doesn't mean it's right ;)
[02:31] <Jormundgand> I use vi for deleting lines and nano for all other tasks.
[02:31] <xero> razor-x: thanks man, appreciate the help =)
[02:32] <AlanD> just use bash
[02:32] <Razor-X> I love vi for everything, personally
[02:32] <Razor-X> xero: remember, if VLC can't play it, nothing can ;0
[02:32] <kees-jan> Oh well... these days eight megs is nothing :-)
[02:32] <AlanD> vi is pretty decent
[02:32] <AvvY> what is the default command line program in Ubuntu called?
[02:32] <Razor-X> play around with it's streaming capabilities too
[02:32] <Razor-X> *;)
[02:32] <Jormundgand> vi is decent, but I have better things to do than wrestle with it.
[02:32] <ablyss> AvvY BaSH
[02:32] <AvvY> thanx ablyss
[02:32] <xero> AvvY, do you post on techguy.com?
[02:32] <Razor-X> Jormundgand: it's not hard at all, IMO
[02:32] <AvvY> xero: yeah
[02:32] <Jormundgand> Razor-X: Perhaps not, but I'm happy.
[02:33] <ablyss> yw AvvY
[02:33] <AvvY> xero: i take it you do aswell?
[02:33] <PMantis> I'm currently getting 5k/sec on "ubuntu-5.04-dvd-i386.iso"... anyone who have the file willing to seed in the torrent?
[02:33] <AlanD> nano is good for editing simple stuff, but it does have some of the problems that pico had
[02:33] <xero> AvvY: thought that was you. im zerokills "to be or not to be... linux'
[02:33] <AlanD> wrapping lines, etc
[02:33] <AlanD> i wonder why pico never went GPL
[02:34] <AvvY> xero: haha! small world. its good to see you found this IRC channel, i ask questions from time to time here. great bunch of people id also recomend signing up to the ubuntuforums
[02:34] <Razor-X> I prefer the channel meself ;)
[02:34] <PMantis> AlanD: Maybe because it's based from Pine?
[02:34] <Razor-X> where you have 15 year olds (like me) give advice, and deprecate mice and QWERTY keyboards ;)
[02:34] <xero> avvy: cool, ill check that out. now i just finished getting w32codecs installed
[02:34] <AlanD> PMantis: doesn't mean they couldn't release pine/pico GPL
[02:34] <PMantis> True
[02:34] <AvvY> xero: excellent - also install the gstreamer codecs, youll probably want them
[02:35] <AlanD> Is there a good alternative to Pine out now?
[02:35] <xero> avvy: got em
[02:35] <Razor-X> AvvY: no need to
[02:35] <gizban> kvidell: are you the same person that responded to my post in the forums about my sound not working in ubuntu?
[02:35] <Razor-X> VLC doesen't need codecs ;)
[02:35] <Razor-X> never ever
[02:35] <dude12412> vlc is great
[02:35] <Razor-X> it can play just about all formats known to man
[02:35] <dude12412> do they have vlc for linux?
[02:35] <nickrud> the university of washington is pretty unreasonable obout pine, in my opinion
[02:35] <Razor-X> and for your Media Player, use cplay
[02:35] <Razor-X> dude12412: ......................................
[02:36] <Razor-X> VLC was originally made for Linux
[02:36] <xero> razor-x: i just played a movie file but there was no sound
[02:36] <AvvY> xero: excellent :). u starting to get the hang of it all? are u using apt-get or Synaptic?
[02:36] <dude12412> ok
[02:36] <AlanD> nickrud: I'd say so
[02:36] <nickrud> my old school ...
[02:36] <dude12412> i use vlc on my windows
[02:36] <AvvY> oh yeah i forgot all about VLC... i had it on windows for a bit
[02:36] <xero> avvy: apt-get so far
[02:36] <Razor-X> xero: try other moveis, if the problem persists, then I think it's a config problem
[02:36] <AvvY> xero: thats the way to go :)
[02:36] <AlanD> nickrud: What alternatives to pine exist now?
[02:36] <PMantis> Please? Anyone else willing to see ubuntu-5.04-dvd-i386.iso in the torrent? d/l is slow! :(
[02:36] <PMantis> s/see/seed
[02:36] <Razor-X> *movies
[02:36] <nickrud> AlanD evolution and imap :)
[02:36] <gizban> does anyone know of a good music player that lets you edit the names and authors of mp3 files inside the player?
[02:36] <AvvY> PMantis: why would u get a DVD iso?
[02:36] <AlanD> heh
[02:36] <xero> razor-x k thanks
[02:37] <Razor-X> PMantis: don't have a DVD player, nor burner, nor iso on this box, actually
[02:37] <mpm> hello all; I uninstalled reinstalled hoping to clear a few issues I was having... Does anyone have a hunch why firefox won't load using the old settings files in .mozilla/firefox ? starting it in the terminal says something about unable to load chrome layover
[02:37] <xero> avvy: yea, im really getting the hang of it. thanks for pointing me in the Ubuntu direction
[02:37] <dude12412> anyone here use mythtv?
[02:37] <PMantis> AvvY: It has more stuff...
[02:37] <Razor-X> mpm: just look through the old config, and the new one, and change what you need to
[02:37] <xero> razor-x is there a way to set vlc as my default media player?
[02:37] <nickrud> AlanD I never used pine, I started with mutt. I've also never used pico
[02:37] <AlanD> gizban: I use musicbrainz for auto editing the id3/id3v2 tags myself
[02:37] <AvvY> xero: no probs. i had tried Suse, FC3, Yopper, Mandrake and liked none of them, then someone told me about Ubuntu and never looked back
[02:37] <AlanD> great little program
[02:38] <AlanD> Mutt! I couldn't remember the name of it
[02:38] <AlanD> heh
[02:38] <crim> AlanD: of course not.
[02:38] <Razor-X> xero: hmm, not sure, I don't use Gnome, meself
[02:38] <AvvY> PMantis: what sort? wouldnt it be easier getting the CD iso and downloading what u needed via apt-get?
[02:38] <nickrud> not a friendly thing, but when console is all you have
[02:38] <Razor-X> actually, I don't run anything in a WM
[02:38] <AlanD> crim: of course not what?
[02:38] <AlanD> heh
[02:38] <Razor-X> so, I don't even know what default is on this box... to tell you the truth....
[02:39] <AvvY> does ubuntu even NEED a default media player? i didnt think it worked like that. i have about 3 media players installed
[02:39] <nickrud> so, can someone tell me how to backport the breezy hplip stuff to hoary? :P
[02:39] <PMantis> AvvY: Hmmm, you have a point. I'm just used to the idea of a distro taking 3-4 CDs, and found Ubuntus single CD to suggest incompleteness. Perhaps I should just change my thinking?
[02:40] <Razor-X> AvvY: have no clue
[02:40] <AlanD> All a distro really needs is the kernel, gcc, cc, kde/gnome
[02:40] <AvvY> PMantis: id suggest so. ubuntu be default installs a HEAP of programs, and saves u dl time, bandwidth and what not by usuing the cd then apt-get for what u need
[02:40] <AlanD> everything else can be downloaded/compiled
[02:40] <PMantis> Heh, well.. I *am* getting 18K/sec now.. someone must have joined in! :)
[02:40] <nickrud> lol
[02:40] <Razor-X> AlanD: not KDE or Gnome
[02:40] <raptoid> apt-get build-dep linux-source-2.6.11
[02:40] <AvvY> PMantis: how much of the dvd have u downloaded so far?
[02:40] <AlanD> personally I use fluxbox
[02:40] <raptoid> correct ?
[02:40] <raptoid> apt-get build-dep linux-source-2.6.11
[02:40] <Razor-X> there are many other alternate WMs, and some people don't use WMs
[02:40] <raptoid> ?
[02:40] <Razor-X> ahhh, nice
[02:40] <Razor-X> my audio player is totally CLI
[02:40] <AlanD> but a lot of people use KDE/Gnome
[02:41] <Razor-X> the 3 apps needed are about.... 800 kb total
[02:41] <Razor-X> raptoid: why do you need my version?
[02:41] <gizban> AlanD: is musicbrainz available via Synaptic?  I see something called 'python-musicbrainz'
[02:41] <PMantis> AvvY: ~30%
[02:41] <AlanD> gizban: i think that's it
[02:41] <Razor-X> I don't like Fluxbox, meself
[02:41] <AvvY> PMantis: how large is the file? and how many mb's have u downloaded?
[02:41] <nickrud> and you can compile gnome anytime you want, jhbuild is very nice
[02:41] <gizban> AlanD: what command do you use to launch it?
[02:42] <Razor-X> if I had the HDD space, I would install Ubuntu, install enlightenment, and remove Gnome
[02:42] <AvvY> i like Gnome, but people tell me its bad - i tried Xfce4 yesterday but didnt like it, and KDE requires 350 packages
[02:42] <AlanD> lol
[02:42] <AlanD> yeah, kde is huge
[02:42] <Razor-X> AvvY: I prefer KDE meself, I got Kubuntu
[02:42] <AlanD> i can't stand gnome
[02:42] <dbx> anybody know about vncserver?
[02:42] <PMantis> AvvY: 715,128,832 d/l'd... file is 2,929,047,552
[02:42] <Razor-X> Fluxbox, no offense meant, is kind of like... a "poser" WM
[02:42] <dbx> trying to connect to vncserver via windows, and get a gray screen
[02:42] <AlanD> raptoid: any reason for the version?
[02:42] <nickrud> AvvY I once had a gnome desktop, a motif staroffice, and a kde print dialog working.
[02:42] <AvvY> raxor-x: yeah if id installed kubuntu from the get go it would be one thing. no point upgrading to Kde in ubuntu tho
[02:42] <PMantis> AvvY: Why do you ask? :)
[02:43] <Razor-X> an inbetween of iceWM, XFce, ratpoison, and another one that I lost of my tongue
[02:43] <AvvY> PMantis: just checkin to see if its worth ur wild continue downloading
[02:43] <Razor-X> nickrud: hah
[02:43] <Razor-X> AvvY: a lot of people do
[02:43] <nickrud> It was ugley
[02:43] <dbx> hello
[02:43] <crim> AlanD: see context of your previous response to me
[02:43] <Razor-X> someone needs to make a united WM
[02:43] <dbx> anyone can help with vnc server, viewing from a windows box?
[02:43] <AvvY> razor-x: i dunno, i like gnome. kde is kinda.. "full on", and xfce4 is a weird fusion between the two
[02:44] <PMantis> dbx: Gray screen?
[02:44] <xero> im a noob.. whats a WM?
[02:44] <Razor-X> one that works with most of the major themes, that way, when you run an application from either side, it'ld work
[02:44] <nickrud> so I'm pretty desktop agnostic, except I use gnome pretty much exclusively ;)
[02:44] <dbx> yep
[02:44] <Razor-X> xero: Window Manager
[02:44] <AvvY> Windows Manager
[02:44] <AlanD> crim: oh, my bad
[02:44] <AlanD> heh
[02:44] <Razor-X> AvvY: GNOME was good before v2, now I don't like it much
[02:44] <lok> AvvY, there is more than 3 wm on the net :p
[02:44] <dbx> yes windows manager, what do i do with it
[02:44] <Razor-X> I like KDE because it's full on, it's nice that way
[02:44] <PMantis> dbx: Likely a xinit.d issue... assuming you're using that
[02:44] <xero> of course.. like GNOME?
[02:44] <AlanD> gnome reminds me too much of redhat
[02:44] <AvvY> lok: i realise, i am trying new ones as i find out about them
[02:44] <Razor-X> but, XFce is great for semi-minimalistic
[02:44] <Razor-X> AlanD: htat's what RedHat used to use
[02:44] <`psycho> xfce~
[02:45] <`psycho> :D
[02:45] <Razor-X> IcemanV9: ewwww!!!!
[02:45] <dbx> Avvy what do i do with windows manager
[02:45] <Razor-X> I love Ratpoison, but please, not TWM!!!!
[02:45] <AlanD> Razor-X: still uses
[02:45] <AlanD> even their RHEL
[02:45] <lok> IcemanV9, and scary and pink :)
[02:45] <Razor-X> AlanD: ahh, my bad then
[02:45] <AvvY> dbx: im not sure, what is it you plan to do?
[02:45] <AlanD> rh 7.2 was the first distro i ever used, came free with some mag i got
[02:45] <IcemanV9> aww. come, on. it's easy, quick and cool!! :P~~
[02:45] <dbx> i want to admin thru vnc from windows
[02:45] <Razor-X> I can't stand TWM... *shudders*
[02:45] <AvvY> fluxbox wouldnt download from the server dag nam it
[02:46] <AvvY> dbx: sorry, ur thinking of the wrong Windows :p
[02:46] <anto9us> dbx: you've got a crossed conversation I think :)
[02:46] <PMantis> dbx: LOL, I mean xinetd.d/xxxxxxx  issue.
[02:46] <Razor-X> PMantis: LAUGH OUT LOUD?
[02:46] <dbx> ok im trying to admin from windows onto ubuntu with vncserver, i get a gray screen on my windows box upon login
[02:46] <Razor-X> ok, i'm sorry, I had to do that ;)
[02:46] <dbx> how do i solve that one?
[02:47] <AvvY> dbx: don't use windows ;)
[02:47] <PMantis> Razor-X: Yeah, common abbrev. :)
[02:47] <Razor-X> I don't quite know why "lol" caught on myself, lol == laugh out loud, not *laugh out loud* in true emote fashion, like it should be
[02:47] <AlanD> ...
[02:47] <Razor-X> but then, blame the AOLers
[02:47] <dbx> thats very helpful, you must have your head buried inthe sand
[02:47] <Razor-X> dbx: do I know you from somewhere?
[02:47] <dbx> which is typical of anal retentive morons
[02:47] <Razor-X> Audio Dragon forums, maybe?
[02:47] <nickrud> Razor-X I find twm very comforting, it at least means that X works
[02:47] <PMantis> dbx: PM me, and paste your /etc/xinetd.d/whatever_file_you_use_for_vnc
[02:47] <AvvY> dbx: relax mante just a bit of fun
[02:48] <Razor-X> well, I doubt it, actually
[02:48] <Razor-X> nickrud: TWM reminds me of bad times ;)
[02:48] <dbx> as usual no help in this room
[02:48] <Razor-X> dbx: maybe you don't understand
[02:48] <Razor-X> in Linux rooms, Windows use is deprecated
[02:48] <Razor-X> as is in Applo rooms
[02:48] <AvvY> dbx: i think you are the one who is being a moron. just relax a little
[02:48] <Razor-X> doesen't take a genius to understand that
[02:48] <Razor-X> *Apple
[02:48] <Razor-X> or any other OS rooms
[02:49] <AvvY> good point
[02:49] <dbx> well golly gee, im sorry that 95% of the worlds computers use windows, maybe you need to get over it
[02:49] <crim> dbx: are you attempting to view your ubuntu X Window session from windows?
[02:49] <Eighth> like SCO rooms...
[02:49] <Razor-X> dbx: and about 95% of those people are idiots
[02:49] <Eighth> dbx: don't be a twit
[02:49] <dbx> vnc is for viewing and controling the desktop
[02:49] <Razor-X> dbx: we know that
[02:49] <PMantis> dbx: I'm offering to help. Please follow with me while I have the time.
[02:50] <dbx> 95% are idiots, now thats a really ignorant statement to make
[02:50] <Eighth> if you have a beef with linux, there's no need to be rude about it.
[02:50] <Razor-X> dbx: no, it's not
[02:50] <Eighth> if you need help with linux, specifically ubuntu
[02:50] <Eighth> let us help :P
[02:50] <Razor-X> i'ld like to hear your education level, please
[02:50] <crim> dbx: both PMantis and I are attempting to assist you.
[02:50] <dbx> i dont care much for windows either, but whinning about windows makes no effective difference
[02:50] <Razor-X> anyways, i'm in a bad mood meself
[02:50] <Razor-X> sorry, and, what's the problem?
[02:50] <darius___> dbx: correction, 95% of Windows admins are idiots .. Windows consumers are just ignorant
[02:50] <xero> razor-x: i played a different video and the sound still doesnt work
[02:50] <Razor-X> xero: ahhh, hmmmm
[02:51] <Razor-X> what sound server do you use, xero?
[02:51] <Razor-X> (and are you sure the soun works on these in Linux?)
[02:51] <Razor-X> *sound
[02:51] <anto9us> dbx: it doesn't work on linux like it does on windows, it gives you a new desktop on linux, if you want to expose the current one (a la windows) you need the rfb package
[02:51] <Razor-X> PMantis: i'm far from that much
[02:51] <dbx> yor elitist attitudes only serve to isolate your ignorant lot even more than it is now, linux could become more mainstream if not for your own stupidity
[02:51] <darius___> heh
[02:51] <Razor-X> dbx: I don't want it to be mainstream
[02:51] <Razor-X> understand that
[02:51] <nickrud> dbx I think darius___ means that microsoft hides the clues
[02:52] <Razor-X> I don't want bleating idiots to occupy the precious time of talented coders
[02:52] <darius___> no, I mean Windows admins are underskilled morons
[02:52] <Razor-X> darius___: it takes skill to be a Windows sysadmin?
[02:52] <nickrud> darius___ I apologize in advance :)
[02:52] <darius___> haha
[02:52] <darius___> I live in Redmondville
[02:52] <crim> guys, this is a ubuntu channel. If you need to bash Windows or whatever, do it elsewhere, thanks.
[02:52] <darius___> crim: sorry, he was sreaming for attention :)
[02:52] <anto9us> hey, I occasionally work as an underskilled mo... I mean windows admin!
[02:52] <Razor-X> go to www.analogx.com and download the HTTP server, a la HTTP Server
[02:53] <stahan> I've created a symbolic link to a new hard drive which I've installed but I do not seem to have permission to write to it. Does anyone know how I can change the permission so that I am the owner? I've tried chmod 777 /folder. Would anyone be able to help please? I know I am prob on the right track.
[02:53] <Razor-X> crim: I took the initiative from him
[02:53] <crim> Razor-X: then don't "stoop" to his level.
[02:53] <Razor-X> crim: ah well, generally, the invitation is given by the aggressor, in my opinion
[02:53] <kudzubane> stahan, check out the chown command
[02:53] <AlanD> stahan: man chown
[02:53] <PMantis> stahan: Type: mount  it might show you it's a mount issue, not filesystem issue.
[02:54] <Razor-X> I'm not going to hold back against ignorance, if someone purposefully aggravates me
[02:54] <AlanD> stahan: you can have it mount to any folder
[02:54] <AlanD> why do you need to create a symlink?
[02:54] <Miks> is there any defragmentation application for linux? because when my booted this time it said it needed some check and now it tells me it has 1.4%non contiguous blocks...what could i do about that?
[02:54] <AlanD> do man mount and man chown
[02:54] <stahan> AlanD: Thanks
[02:54] <xero> razor-x: do wmv files play sound in linux?
[02:54] <Razor-X> Mike: funny story about that
[02:54] <stahan> AlanD: the drive is already mounted
[02:54] <Razor-X> xero: generally not, actually, i'm not sure if w32codecs help though
[02:55] <nickrud> Miks that's not bad at all
[02:55] <AlanD> xero: with mplayer
[02:55] <AlanD> stahan: man umount
[02:55] <voth> or xine
[02:55] <PMantis> Miks: Linux auto-defrags in the background whenever there are available cycles, AFAIK.. but you're talking about bad files prolly due to improper shutdown.
[02:55] <Razor-X> xero: oh, wait
[02:55] <AlanD> you can't do it 'legally' though, since wmv is proprietary
[02:55] <AlanD> to microsoft
[02:55] <IcemanV9> sudo defrag c:\ :P
[02:55] <Razor-X> the WMV thing hasn't been added to the Ubuntu repos, has it?
[02:56] <xero> dono
[02:56] <PMantis> IcemanV9: That's not funny.. mixing *nic command with winblows drive letters. AHHH! :)
[02:56] <Razor-X> Miks: most Linux filesystems don't need to defrag
[02:56] <Miks> PMantis: ... yea my system got stuck today because my processor got too hot and i had to restart it manually because i had no choice
[02:56] <Razor-X> WMV VLC, rather
[02:56] <Razor-X> the very nature of Linux filesystems is such that they rarely need a defrag, and that's carried out by an occasional tune2fs
[02:57] <PMantis> Miks: fsck is what you want, then.. may have already been suggested upon bootup though.
[02:58] <Miks> yea...i guess its nothing bad...hey are just non contiguous blocks...
[02:58] <Razor-X> PMantis: funny how many people recognize fsck as a synonym for fuck, but have not hypothesized about its origins
[02:58] <PMantis> Heh
[02:59] <Razor-X> and, for reference, fsck == FileSystem ChecK
[02:59] <PMantis> bad language, BAAAAAD language.
[02:59] <nickrud> not even considering f*sk
[02:59] <Razor-X> PMantis: heh
[02:59] <fishie> holy crap i finally got my printer working
[02:59] <rixth> As #sf is invite & #sourceforge is empty, could anyone offer a little help about using their CVS?
[02:59] <fishie> :)
[02:59] <Razor-X> rixth: i've used it a few times, so, shoot
[03:00] <rixth> Razor-X, when I goto login, "cvs -d :ext:asubstitute@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/blogwrite import -m "Initial Upload" BlogWrite asubstitute start" is that correct? It asks me for my password, I put it in and get "cvs [import aborted] : reading .viminfo: Permission denied" I'm the only member/admin on the project
[03:01] <Miks> well...linux does the fsck... but, is it just a report of the status, or it also fixes it?
[03:01] <Razor-X> oh, ahh, I don't know how non-anonymous login works on their servers, sorry -_-
[03:01] <Razor-X> and, you should bug the sf admins for a spot in the chatroom, if you're a project maintainer
[03:01] <adamh> What program can I use to stream from a Mac OS iTunes source?
[03:01] <rixth> Raxokay, thank :)
[03:02] <Razor-X> you men Razor-X ;)
[03:02] <Razor-X> *mean
[03:02] <rixth> Here's an interesting problem. I have a SATA dirve (/dev/sda3), I have an entry it /etc/fstab on boot, it sayus the deivce doesn't exist, yet, once logged in, if I issue "sudo mount /dev/sda3" it works fine. It seems like the SATA driver is being loaded after drive mounting...
[03:04] <tonkar> Someone knows what should I do if tuxracer and games like that runs very slow, should I configure an graphic acelerator or something like that?
[03:04] <adamh> tonkar: What kind of graphics card do you have?
[03:04] <nickrud> rixth I may be totally off base here, but since udev provides the /dev/sda3 device, I'd look for a bugzilla entry under udev
[03:05] <tonkar> nVidia GeForce 4
[03:05] <tonkar> 64MB
[03:05] <voth> you install the drivers ?
[03:05] <adamh> tonkar: Search the Ubuntu wiki for "binary driver", you should see something which mentions the "nvidia-glx" package
[03:05] <jwb> tonkar: you might try installing the package "nvidia glx"
[03:06] <jwb> oh man python2.4 is even more broken than 2.3
[03:06] <jwb> *hate*
[03:07] <|QuaD-_> anyone know of a decent cli aim client that uses oscar (not toc)?
[03:07] <tonkar> i have installed the nvidia-glx package but know i got an error
[03:07] <jwb> quad: that would seem to depend on taste.  have you tried "pork"
[03:07] <Razor-X> |QuaD-_ ah well, that's tough
[03:08] <adamh> Is there any way to play iTunes streams on Ubuntu?
[03:08] <Razor-X> |QuaD-_: Oscar is a proprietary client
[03:08] <Razor-X> adamh: try VLC
[03:08] <tonkar> Tux Racer comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. This is free software,
[03:08] <tonkar> and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions.
[03:08] <tonkar> See http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html for details.
[03:08] <tonkar> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:08] <tonkar> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:08] <tonkar> *** tuxracer error: Couldn't initialize video: Couldn't find matching GLX visual (Success)
[03:08] <|QuaD-_> jwb: is pork oscar or toc?
[03:08] <|QuaD-_> Razor-X: gaim uses oscar
[03:08] <jwb> quad: oscar
[03:08] <tonkar> ?=(
[03:08] <Razor-X> |QuaD-_: it's not CLI
[03:08] <adamh> tonkar: Read the wiki article, it tells you everything :)
[03:08] <Razor-X> there's not much difference between the implementation that GAIM uses of Oscar, and TOC
[03:09] <jwb> tonkar: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log also
[03:09] <|QuaD-_> Razor-X: yeah, but you said oscar is propietary, just saying its possible
[03:09] <|QuaD-_> Razor-X: yeah there is
[03:09] <Razor-X> wel, that's reverse engineering
[03:09] <Razor-X> what's the difference?
[03:09] <Razor-X> *well
[03:09] <mpm> I installed fluxbox before a recent version was available, and now I want to uninstall the binary compiled package so I can install the debian package I see in apt-get... any tips ?  is there a special uninstallation procedure for a non-debian package?
[03:09] <nickrud> tonkar what does does, in a terminal, glxinfo | grep direct say?
[03:09] <Razor-X> mpm: how'ld you get Fluxbox?
[03:10] <nickrud> tonkar just one line :)
[03:10] <adamh> mpm: Go into the source directory and type "make uninstall" as root
[03:10] <yaaar_work> word
[03:10] <mpm> originally Razor-X?  I got it via binary build on the sourceforge site
[03:10] <tonkar> the log file tells me too much and i don't understand anything
[03:10] <yaaar_work> Alright....so now I'm kind of in a panic.
[03:10] <adamh> mpm: Or ifyou installed in /usr/local (as you ALWAYS should), just go and delete by hand, should be no problem
[03:10] <Razor-X> mpm: a deb package then?
[03:10] <tonkar> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[03:10] <tonkar>    visual  x  bf lv rg d st colorbuffer ax dp st accumbuffer  ms  cav
[03:10] <tonkar>  id dep cl sp sz l  ci b ro  r  g  b  a bf th cl  r  g  b  a ns b eat
[03:10] <tonkar> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
[03:10] <tonkar> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:10] <tonkar> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:10] <tonkar> 0x21 24 tc  1  0  0 c  .  .  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 0 None
[03:11] <tonkar> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:11] <tonkar> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:11] <tonkar> 0x22 24 dc  1  0  0 c  .  .  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 0 None
[03:11] <tonkar> Violacin de segmento
[03:11] <tonkar> that is what i got from glxinfo
[03:11] <nickrud> tonkar the command I gave you will tell you if X has direct rendering enabled. It's a quick check of your installation
[03:11] <yaaar_work> I've had hoary on my roommates computer for about 3 weeks. Working great. I reboot just now and it hangs completely at "Starting Enterprise Volume Management System"
[03:11] <yaaar_work> !!!!
[03:11] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, yaaar_work
[03:11] <Razor-X> tonkar: follow the wiki then
[03:11] <transgress> tonkar: umm we didn't need all that.
[03:11] <adamh> tonkar: Did you read the wiki article?
[03:11] <crim> tonkar: please use #flood next time
[03:11] <nickrud> tonkar see crim
[03:11] <crim> (I'm on my way out, sorry)
[03:11] <jwb> yaaar: define hangs
[03:12] <tonkar> wiki?
[03:12] <mpm> relogging brb
[03:12] <adamh> tonkar: Google "ubuntu wiki"
[03:12] <tonkar> ok
[03:12] <yaaar> It's just sitting there with a flashing cursor under "Starting Enterprise Volume Management System..." ctrl-alt-delete does nothing, and it's been sitting there for 6 minutes
[03:12] <adamh> yaaar: If you press keys, do you see any response?
[03:13] <yaaar> i tried powering down and up again....same thing
[03:13] <jwb> yaaar: do you actually need evms?
[03:13] <adamh> yaaar: Like "a", "b", etc
[03:13] <adamh> yaaar: Did you try booting into recovery mode?
[03:13] <tonkar> scuce my ignorance and my bad english, what mean crim?
[03:13] <yaaar> adamh: yes, keys will come up. i can't backspace them, as backspace prints out into weird chard
[03:13] <yaaar> chars
[03:13] <yaaar> adamh: i've not tried recovery mode....how?
[03:13] <Razor-X> so, then, it didn't quite hang
[03:13] <adamh> tonkar: There's an IRC channel called #flood. If you're going to copy/paste a lot of stuff, use that channel instea of #ubuntu
[03:13] <jwb> yaaar: reboot to single-user mode and remove evms (if you don't need it)
[03:13] <adamh> yaaar: It's one of the options in the boot menu
[03:14] <yaaar> Razor-X: uh.....it doesn't boot and won't respond to ctrl-alt-del. good enough for me
[03:14] <Razor-X> adamh: I prefer Pastebin, personally
[03:14] <adamh> Razor-X: I'm just explaining what crim said :)
[03:14] <yaaar> adamh: i don't get a boot menu....it says grub loading and goes direct to booting
[03:14] <Razor-X> yaaar: hit Esc at the boot menu
[03:14] <jwb> yaaar: so hit the shift key
[03:14] <tonkar> ok ;) ....  thanks for all
[03:14] <yaaar> jwb: k
[03:14] <yaaar> one sec
[03:14] <jwb> esc, whatever it is for grub (i use lilo)
[03:15] <Razor-X> jwb: heh
[03:15] <adamh> It's Escape... or is it any key at all? Dunno, it says when you first boot
[03:15] <yaaar> so....am i to hold esc? or shift? and when, exactly (there is no boot menu)
[03:15] <Razor-X> GRUB is convenient for my purposes, I had some pretty specific configging done
[03:15] <Eddie> I HATE wanadoo
[03:15] <Razor-X> yaaar: Esc
[03:15] <yaaar> ok...headed for recovery
[03:15] <Eddie> I am going to kill them all some day
[03:15] <adamh> I don't get it, I must be missing something. Is there NO Linux client that'll play music shared from a Windows/Mac computer running iTunes?
[03:15] <yaaar> thanks....sorry...i'm a bit anxious just now....
[03:16] <jwb> grub-install just loops for me, complaining about the floppy, even when i use --no-floppy.  *shrug*
[03:16] <Eddie> anyway
[03:16] <Razor-X> adamh: VLC
[03:16] <Razor-X> jwb: odd
[03:16] <|QuaD-_> jwb: just downloaded pork, alot like irssi, i like
[03:16] <|QuaD-_> :)
[03:16] <adamh> Razor-X: It's not on their features list... how do you do it?
[03:16] <jwb> i think he's talking about DAAP
[03:16] <Eddie> can anyone recommend a dvd player besides mplayer
[03:16] <adamh> Razor-X: And I'm googling "vlc itunes" now and it really isn't showing any useful web pages
[03:16] <jwb> eddie: vlc, xine, totem, ogle
[03:16] <adamh> Eddie: Totem
[03:16] <Eddie> which hangs on my machine constently
[03:16] <Razor-X> I don't like irssi ;), I prefer BitchX
[03:16] <adamh> Totem rocks :)
[03:16] <Razor-X> adamh: try just opening the file
[03:16] <|QuaD-_> Razor-X: blah
[03:17] <Razor-X> Eddie: VLC
[03:17] <Razor-X> kicks all arse
[03:17] <adamh> Razor-X: The file? What file? :)
[03:17] <Razor-X> adamh: you mean, internet streaming?
[03:17] <yaaar> hmmm...this time (while booting in recovery) i got "cdrom: open failed" two times just after the EVMS line. it continued booting though....
[03:17] <jwb> razor i think he means the shared itunes music
[03:17] <Razor-X> I thought there was a file (playlist) that had the stuff in it
[03:17] <Razor-X> jwb: which is?
[03:17] <adamh> Razor-X: On Windows/Mac, you just start up iTunes and AUTOMATICALLY you get a list of all other people on your network running iTunes. And you can just play from them.
[03:17] <yaaar> har....and i can't open the cd drive
[03:17] <Razor-X> adamh: ahhh, I don't think that works in Linux
[03:17] <adamh> Linux already has libhowl, which I'm sure would be a part of the solution...
[03:17] <jwb> adamh: if you're willing to fool with it, try installing daapd and daapc.  you may have to build them yourself
[03:18] <adamh> Oh, there's a daapc? Cool :)
[03:18] <jwb> adamh: i don't think daap is in ubuntu unftly
[03:18] <chaps0063> I am having trouble playing dvds...
[03:18] <adamh> jwb: No, but I know how to compile stuff
[03:18] <chaps0063> I've tried ogle, xine, totem, and none of them work.
[03:18] <adamh> chaps0063: Search the Ubuntu Wiki
[03:18] <jwb> and ask a specific question
[03:19] <chaps0063> what dvd software would you recommend to use?
[03:19] <adamh> chaps0063: You probably haven't installed libdvdcss. Did you know it's ILLEGAL in the US to play DVDs on Linux?
[03:19] <jwb> chaps: i like vlc
[03:19] <chaps0063> adamh, no I did not.
[03:20] <adamh> chaps0063: Yeah, you've got to have a non-US apt-get source.
[03:20] <yaaar> what's different about recovery mode, anyway? once i booted that way it just took me to X, and everything seemed fully functional...
[03:20] <chaps0063> I see.  I did not know that.
[03:20] <adamh> chaps0063: Anyway, search the Ubuntu Wiki
[03:20] <chaps0063> adamh, thanks.
[03:20] <adamh> chaps0063: It's certainly *possible* to play them. Just illegal in the States. And everybody does it anyway, because the DMCA is the most idiotic piece of legislature known to man.
[03:21] <chaps0063> adamh, hehe.
[03:21] <jwb> it's not illegal of course.  what is difficult is distributing libdvdcss
[03:21] <adamh> jwb: It's illegal to use libdvdcss on a computer in the United States.
[03:21] <jwb> no, it's not
[03:21] <AvvY> xero: got everything sorted?
[03:22] <yaaar> jwb: actually, it *it* illegal. the dmca makes it illegal to *use* circumventional means to avoid copyright protection
[03:22] <dhruv> hey guys, im new at this can someone help me
[03:22] <Eddie> lol the DMCA
[03:23] <Eddie> what a load of bollocks
[03:23] <Eddie> its almost as rediculous as software patents
[03:23] <adamh> dhruv: What seems to be the problem?
[03:23] <dhruv> i had a question
[03:23] <Eddie> if the powerful few had their way
[03:23] <adamh> Eddie: More ridiculous. There is NO redeeming factor in the DMCA. At least software patents have some SEMBLANCE of logic :)
[03:23] <dhruv> does win32 programs work on this operating system?
[03:23] <adamh> dhruv: No, but there's a program called "wine" which can run many of them.
[03:23] <jwb> dhruv: you can run some win32 programs using WINE
[03:23] <anto9us> yaaar: that contends with the consumer's fair use and rights to protect his purchase, do you know of any successful prosecutions from someone using it?
[03:23] <xero> avvy: theres still a lot i need to learn
[03:24] <jwb> okay wow.  X starts and I have xterm in the path and everything.
[03:24] <Eddie> wed all be using windows, paying tax on the air we breathe and using microsoft branded toilet paper
[03:24] <dhruv> oh, where can i get "wine"
[03:24] <jwb> dhruv: apt-get install wine
[03:24] <dhruv> what's that
[03:24] <Ubuntian> is a dvd for the xbox playable on a pc?
[03:24] <Eddie> adamh: Im glad it doesnt apply to me
[03:24] <dhruv> apt-get install wine
[03:24] <jwb> dhruv: type that into the command line
[03:24] <dhruv> where is that at?
[03:24] <Eddie> adamh: Ive heard that software patents benefit Ireland? Im confused as to how that would be the case
[03:24] <jwb> or if you're not root, type 'sudo apt-get install wine'
[03:24] <adamh> Eddie: Ditto :). But whatever, I'd use a non-US source even if I were in the States
[03:24] <AvvY> xero: oh of course, but all in good time you will - i started the same as you... heck i aint no linux master but i know my way around most of it
[03:24] <AlanD> Ubuntian: why would you want to?
[03:24] <jwb> dhruv: are you running gnome?
[03:24] <Razor-X> hmmm, how _do_ you use pork?
[03:25] <dhruv> gnome?
[03:25] <Eddie> Razor-X: its nice with some chinese sauce
[03:25] <dhruv> i dont know, i downloaded it off the site
[03:25] <jwb> dhruv: graphics, icons, menus, etc
[03:25] <adamh> dhruv: Go to System -> Administration -> Symantic Package Manager, and install Wine from there :)
[03:25] <Razor-X> Eddie: no, not _that_ pork
[03:25] <Ubuntian> AlanD, cose i've a dvd game for the xbox but no xbox...
[03:26] <xero> avvy: what is Apt and what does the command apt-get do specifically?
[03:26] <jwb> okay kids, my junk is working.  i leave you to take incorrect legal advice from a bunch of people who have no idea what they are talking about
[03:26] <xero> avvy: lol, i want to understand and learn everything i can
[03:26] <nickrud> dhruv welcome to ubuntu :)
[03:27] <toran> how can I limit my upload speed with linux?
[03:27] <dhruv> thanks nickrud
[03:27] <AvvY> xero: apt-get is a command for downloading applications which are available through the repositories. when u change the repositories always run "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade". apt is simply the back end of Synaptic packet manager (the GUI)
[03:27] <nickrud> dhruv np, everyone's new sometime
[03:27] <dhruv> i dont see wine, i click search, and typed in wine
[03:27] <adamh> xero: apt is a command-line program which installs new programs. You can use System -> Administration -> Symantic Package Manager which provides a nice interface to it.
[03:27] <dhruv> and nothing came up
[03:27] <dhruv> is it a package?
[03:27] <nickrud> dhruv yes, and packages come from several places
[03:27] <tonkar> it worked :D, with nvidia-glx it worked! i ponly had to enable it with sudo nvidia-glx.config enabled ;)
[03:27] <AvvY> dhru: u will need to add the wine respositorie
[03:28] <tonkar> thanks a lot who helped me
[03:28] <AvvY> dhruv: check out www.winehq.com
[03:28] <adamh> dhruv: You need to add a source. Go to Settings -> repositories and enable the Universe one
[03:28] <nickrud> dhruv have you ever used the terminal in windows?
[03:28] <AvvY> poningru: hey there
[03:29] <nickrud> dhruv cuz you'll hear a lot about the terminal here
[03:29] <xero> AvvY and adamh: so like 'sudo apt-get install w32codecs', i could have done the same thing Synaptic Package Manager?
[03:29] <adamh> xero: yes
[03:29] <anto9us> toran: I've not used it myself but the shapecfg package may do that
[03:29] <dhruv> nope
[03:29] <AvvY> xero: yes, but it is much easier using apt-get
[03:29] <dhruv> ok im at the synaptic window
[03:29] <dhruv> and it has a list of software sources
[03:29] <nickrud> dhruv ok. may I pm you?
[03:29] <adamh> xero: personally, I *always* use the command-line, but I'd never suggest that people use the command-line on #ubuntu, if there's a way around it
[03:29] <dhruv> yes
[03:29] <dhruv> plesae
[03:29] <AvvY> xero: to use apt-get u need to know the name of the file u want to get. if u dont, synaptic is good because u can use it to search for programs
[03:30] <toran> anto9us: you rock :)
[03:30] <toran> anto9us: is it a graphical tool?
[03:30] <xero> adamh and AvvY: thanks.. one more thing.. what if the program i want to install isnt in the repositories?
[03:30] <yaaar> cool. pulled the cables out of the offending dvd drive, and machine boots again.
[03:31] <yaaar> whew
[03:31] <AvvY> xero: then you need to add the respository to the list, or u can use "wget" and enter the site address *i think* thats right
[03:32] <yaaar> k guys i'm gonna go away for awhile....gotta put the ubuntu box on the cable connection raw for a bit to try out asterisk........
[03:33] <xero> avvy: and a repository is the location of packages, like a server hosting certain software?
[03:33] <anto9us> toran: I don't think so
[03:33] <adamh> xero: Yes
[03:33] <AvvY> xero: yeah - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[03:34] <Razor-X> so, how would you go about using the pork IM client?
[03:34] <xero> avvy: i did that already =)
[03:34] <JovenComunista> how can i make amule download faster
[03:34] <JovenComunista> ???
[03:34] <xero> thanks adamh and avvy
[03:35] <adamh> xero: np :)
[03:35] <AvvY> xero: yeah i realise, but it gives a very brief explination of the source.lst
[03:35] <AvvY> sources.list*
[03:35] <Razor-X> JovenComunista: make sure your UDP/TCUP edonkey ports are open, and just plain wait
[03:35] <Razor-X> the longer you wait, the faster your speed gets, it's edonkey network's trademark
[03:36] <Razor-X> death for the casual sharer, phenomenal for the uber-sharer
[03:36] <xero> avvy: and if i ever want to install a package that isnt already in my repositories, i have to add the correct repository to my sources.list, right?
[03:36] <JovenComunista> :s
[03:36] <adamh> xero: Yes, or you could download a .deb directly, skipping "apt"
[03:37] <Mirzabah> is it possible to convert a reiser4 partition to ext3 without losing data?
[03:37] <AvvY> xero: yeah or use "wget" for example like this "wget -c http://frankandjacq.com/ubuntuguide/rssowl_linux_1_1_1_bin.tar.gz"
[03:37] <JovenComunista> well... thanx :)
[03:37] <Selanit> Anybody here familiar with deborphan?
[03:37] <adamh> Mirzabah: Copy the contents to a new partition
[03:38] <xero> avvy and adamh: .tar.gz and .deb are basically the same thing right? contain files and folders like a zip file?
[03:38] <Mirzabah> adamh: dang. That's not the answer I was hoping for. thanks anyway
[03:39] <AvvY> xero: yes and no... you have to unpack them differently. if you are downloading one other than from Ubuntu guide which has the EXACT instructions, make sure u read the instructions from the website u download from until u learn all the unzip commands
[03:39] <AvvY> xero: i am still unfamiliar and forget a number of the manual unzip commands for .tar.gz or .tar.bz2 and .dep
[03:39] <goldfish> man tar
[03:40] <goldfish> tar xfvz for .tar.gz
[03:40] <AvvY> xero: although if u look through ubuntuguide it shows u the relevant commands for each type, just remember to sub in the correct file name
[03:40] <goldfish> xfvj for .tar.bz2
[03:40] <AvvY> yeah, thanx goldfish, i always forget them...
[03:40] <xero> avvy: k, ive been using Archive Manager. the only thing i do is Extract
[03:40] <Eddie> woot
[03:40] <AvvY> xero: yeah you can do that as well :)
[03:41] <goldfish> AvvY: run 'man tar' and it tells you them
[03:41] <xero> AvvY: might as well take advantage of the interface, lol
[03:41] <AvvY> goldfish: cheers! :)
[03:41] <AvvY> xero: fair enough :)
[03:41] <Selanit> I'm trying to assemble a list of top-level packages in my install of Ubuntu.  By top-level, I mean packages that do NOT serve as dependencies to any other package.  I thought deborphan might help, but so far it just tells me which packages DO serve as dependencies.  Suggestions?
[03:43] <othernoob> how come i get a "unsupported format" when i try to burn an mp3 in k3b, while the other mp3s from the same rip work just fine and where ripped the same ?
[03:45] <odie5533> Are there any visual studio like programs for Ubuntu that are for C++?
[03:45] <anto9us> Selanit: Synaptic has filter options for Orphaned packages
[03:46] <Selanit> ano9us: I'm working from the command line in a chroot environment, no X.
[03:47] <Johnnyfav> Is it possible to have two Webpages off of the same Ip address......with two different domain names....and one domain name will only connect with one of the webpages..and the other domain name will only connect to the other webpage.
[03:47] <Selanit> Johnnyfav: what you want is to configure virtual domains in Apache
[03:47] <Johnnyfav> k
[03:48] <Johnnyfav> so it is possible
[03:48] <Selanit> Yeah
[03:48] <Selanit> I've never done it myself, but that sounds like what you need
[03:48] <Johnnyfav> so...www.blah.com will connect to folder /blah and www.blah2.com will connect to folder /blah2....both have the same ip
[03:49] <Selanit> Yeah
[03:50] <Selanit> Budget web hosters do that sort of thing all the time
[03:50] <bluefoxicy> Preconfiguring packages ...
[03:50] <bluefoxicy> j2re1.4 failed to preconfigure, with exit status 10
[03:50] <Selanit> It's not cost-effective to have only one domain per machine
[03:50] <Johnnyfav> right
[03:50] <Johnnyfav> well I'm glad it's possible
[03:51] <abarbaccia> hey - what command can i use to check what device is the cdrom device?
[03:51] <Selanit> Johnnyfav: Check this out: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/vhosts/examples.html
[03:52] <bluefoxicy> oh
[03:52] <bluefoxicy> fuck
[03:52] <bluefoxicy> help
[03:52] <bluefoxicy> when you say NO to a sun license agreement for java debs
[03:52] <bluefoxicy> it REMEMBERS IT FOREVER
[03:52] <bluefoxicy> and you can NEVER EVER EVER get the screen up to say YES again!
[03:52] <flodine> lol
[03:52] <bob2> abarbaccia: there's no single command
[03:53] <bob2> abarbaccia: it should just be /dev/cdrom
[03:54] <goldfish>  /dev/hdc ?
[03:55] <bob2> not always
[03:59] <abarbaccia> bob2, im trying to write some code and needed the /dev/hd* for the cdrom device - preferibly by not asking the suer
[03:59] <abarbaccia> user
[04:00] <bob2>  /dev/cdrom then
[04:00] <bob2> people with static /dev will have set it up, udev should do it for dynamic ones
[04:00] <abarbaccia> bob2, it doesnt work with that, its for cdrecord -scanbus dev=/dev/hd*
[04:00] <abarbaccia> bob2, i got it - you're the man!
[04:01] <bob2> er
[04:01] <bob2>  /dev/cdrom is a symlink to that device
[04:01] <abarbaccia> yea, i see that now
[04:01] <Selanit> ^_^
[04:02] <bluefoxicy> oh great
[04:02] <bluefoxicy> I got banned from #debian again
[04:02] <bob2> no
[04:02] <bob2> you got kicked for being an ass
[04:02] <bob2> after being warned
[04:02] <bob2> also, you're not actually using Debian
[04:03] <bluefoxicy> not like you can get help in here (of the 40 or 50 questions I asked in here I've never had one even attempted to be answered, by anyone)
[04:03] <bob2> for example?
[04:03] <xero> ive gotten a lot of help here
[04:03] <goldfish> me too
[04:03] <anto9us> and me
[04:04] <Selanit> Hmm.  I haven't been an ubuntu user long enough to really form an opinion of this IRC channel.  In past I've gotten good advice in other IRC channels, but those were for other distros.
[04:04] <bluefoxicy> for example when I asked if openoffice has some bug where it crashes, because it crashes for me, nobody answered; and when I asked if there was a way to set up DHCP to automatically reconfigure when connected (as the gnome applet says I"m not physically connected, then suddenly does, but I never get the address until I run dhclient manually), nobody answered
[04:04] <bluefoxicy> or hell a lot of things
[04:04] <bob2> wow, shock
[04:04] <bob2> your first question is stupid
[04:05] <bob2> and could be answered by looking at the bts
[04:05] <bob2> nic: my tolerance for bluefoxicy icy's rants is very low after so many years
[04:06] <Nic> :)
[04:06] <Selanit> Getting good answers in IRC requires three things: 1) that you've done your homework before asking; 2) that you provide as much info as possible so people can figure out what the problem is; and 3) luck.
[04:06] <bob2> bluefoxicy: the second is answered as "use ifplugd (which has documentation once you have installed it) or networkmanager"
[04:06] <bob2> Selanit: yes!
[04:06] <xero> problem! my CD-ROM wont eject the Cd
[04:06] <bob2> and complaining that volunteers, who you don't know, and won't be wpolite to don't help you is kinda rough
[04:06] <goldfish> pick it open with a hair-clip
[04:06] <bluefoxicy> xero:  add a disk mounter applet to gnome's panel
[04:06] <othernoob> xero unmount the drive.
[04:06] <bluefoxicy> and tell it to eject the CD
[04:06] <anto9us> a polite and positive attitude to solving your own problems helps too
[04:06] <Selanit> Yeah.
[04:07] <bob2> xero: did you right click on the icon on the desktop?
[04:07] <islander> does anyone knows, which encoder do I have to use and download for totem
[04:07] <xero> bob2 yes
[04:07] <bob2> islander: to do what?
[04:07] <islander> to play mpeg files and dvd's
[04:07] <Selanit> The "luck" part comes in because you just have to hope that there's somebody in the channel when you ask who knows the answer, or who can at least point you in the right direction.
[04:07] <kevcool> if there's a process using that mount you can find it with fuser <mount_point> . then kill whatever process comes up
[04:07] <Nic> xero: the system is probably using some of the files, which will make it refuse to unmount/eject.
[04:08] <bob2> islander: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:08] <othernoob> Nic he still can unmount it manually
[04:08] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  volunteers, who I don't know, and am polite to consistently feed me crap that doesn't help because they assume I can't figure out what my problem is; for example I did say that when I said "no" to the license agreement (which was obviously displayed if I said no), then future attempts to install a package would automatically fail, and purging doesn't fix the problem
[04:08] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  two of the following answers were, "Your question level is probably set too low," and "apt-get --purge"
[04:08] <bluefoxicy> the first of course would be fine if it didn't actually ask me the first time; the second, I said i tried that already
[04:09] <bob2> bluefoxicy: er, you're being rude right now
[04:09] <bob2> also, just be quiet
[04:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[04:09] <bob2> every channel you come into you disrupt with your rants and "questions" and "great ideas"
[04:09] <timo_> if k(ubuntu) hasn't provided a package, is it ok to use debian apt-sources to install software (thinking about migrating from debian to (k)ubuntu)?
[04:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 you must really track this guy's irc usage. :)
[04:09] <synd> bluefoxicy: whats the problem?
[04:09] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: now, go use your enormouse shell knowledge to go read the postinst questions for that package
[04:10] <bob2> timo_: not really
[04:10] <bob2> timo_: what package are yo uthinking of?
[04:10] <bob2> timo_: (the universe repository has basically everything debian does)
[04:10] <timo_> bob2: it was just a general quiestion
[04:10] <timo_> aha
[04:10] <bluefoxicy> synd:  I need java, so I tried to install from the Blackdown sources, and accidentally clicked past the license and said "no" to the j2re1.4; so the j2sdk1.4 installed because I clicked yes there.
[04:10] <timo_> bob2: and what about specific .deb packages found in developers sites?
[04:10] <bob2> bluefoxicy: so go read the postinst and see where it's stored and fix it
[04:11] <bob2> timo_: well, that's a bad idea in general
[04:11] <bob2> timo_: but it depends on what sort of wystem they were compiled on
[04:11] <timo_> bob2: so compile by hand is a better idea?
[04:11] <bob2> timo_: sarge .debs may not run on hoary
[04:11] <timo_> oh
[04:11] <bluefoxicy> synd:  Reinstalling j2re1.4 fails to preconfigure because it's assuming I'm not going to accept the license; I tried apt-get remove --purge to fix this and it didn't fix it.  I tried saying "no" to sdk after attempting a reinstall of it, then reinstalling, and it now behaves the same, thus I'm pretty certain apt is actually assuming I"m going to say no and just not asking now
[04:11] <psychonate> timo_, if you add all of Ubuntu's repositories, you can find quite a few packages anyway
[04:11] <bob2> bluefoxicy: dude, stop being silly and go read the postinst
[04:12] <bob2> bluefoxicy: if you don't know what that means, say so, and I'll explain it to you
[04:12] <bluefoxicy> bob2: postinst.  Hmm.  /me starts catting at /dev/postinst. . /proc/postinst. . . uh.
[04:12] <bluefoxicy> yeah that'd help.
[04:12] <timo_> so i can ask in here if i need some package at first and of course search myself..if i can't find any solution i guess i have to compile by hand
[04:12] <bob2> bluefoxicy: I thought you were familiar with debian systems.../var/lib/dpkg/info/jdk.postinst (or whatever the package is called)
[04:12] <xero> when i rightclick on the desktop icon and choose Eject from the menu, this error comes up:  Eject Error   Unable to eject media
[04:12] <bob2> bluefoxicy: if you don't understand someone's answer, then SAY SO, instead of ignoring them and ranting
[04:13] <bob2> xero: run this command in a terminal: "lsof | grep media"
[04:13] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  there's no *jdk* or *jre* there
[04:13] <bob2> bluefoxicy: "or whatever the package is called"
[04:13] <bluefoxicy>  /var/cache/apt/archives/j2re1.4_1.4.2.01-1_i386.deb
[04:13] <Selanit> timo_: your first stop should be synaptic.  Make sure you have all the repositories selected, so that you'll have as wide a selection of officially packaged software to choose from as possible.  If it's still not there, and there are no unofficial .debs, you may have to compile by hand.
[04:13] <psychonate> timo_, it would first be best to add ubuntu's other repositories, then search; if you can't find the package that way, you can ask in here.
[04:13] <bob2> bluefoxicy: so, there, you go
[04:13] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:~/programming/libssp-1.3.1-autopackage$ ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/*j2re*
[04:13] <bluefoxicy> ls: /var/lib/dpkg/info/*j2re*: No such file or directory
[04:14] <Imical> sorry newb question but would this be linux RPM or linux deb?
[04:14] <goldfish> deb
[04:14] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  the preinstallation script is failing.
[04:14] <anto9us> timo_: I've been using ubuntu for a fair few weeks now and have not had to compile anything yet, the ubuntu repositories are a cornucopia
[04:14] <bob2> Imical: ubuntu uses .debs then
[04:14] <bluefoxicy> it's not making it quite that far.
[04:14] <bob2> bluefoxicy: then fix it
[04:14] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  it's failing because I'm "refusing" the license agreement.
[04:14] <psychonate> timo_, honestly though, I have used a few debian-specific packages in Ubuntu. I would not add a whole repository of these to my sources.list, but I might install a few manually if I really need them
[04:14] <Imical> goldfish:  thank ya
[04:14] <bob2> bluefoxicy: yes, I know...fix it.
[04:14] <xero> later guys, ill be back
[04:14] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  I refused the first time by accident.  It's no longer asking me, it's just refusing it automatically.
[04:15] <bob2> bluefoxicy: dude
[04:15] <bob2> bluefoxicy: I've read all 50000 lines you've said on this topic
[04:15] <bluefoxicy> If I could fix it would I be here asking you why I can't fix it?
[04:15] <bob2> riiiiight
[04:15] <synd> bob2: he seems to not comprehend what you say?
[04:15] <g-odzilla> is ubuntu the best distro
[04:15] <bob2> bluefoxicy: so, you purged j2re?
[04:15] <synd> g-odzilla: what do yo think?
[04:15] <g-odzilla> i never used it
[04:15] <Selanit> anto9us: Is your name an altered version of Antinoos, from Greek epic?
[04:15] <psychonate> g-odzilla, is christianity the best religion?
[04:16] <psychonate> who the hell knows
[04:16] <timo_> guys, thanks for the responses! package management is prio 1 in my ws system, and that'd be no problem for me and if i HAVE to compile its no problem at all (comming from slackware and bsd).. prio 2 is to get vmware to work as easy as in debian/sarge (default install) since i use it at work.. when that is cleared im ready to install (k)ubuntu
[04:16] <goldfish> religion?
[04:16] <crimsun> g-odzilla: that's a highly subjective question that only you are fit to answer from your own experience.
[04:16] <psychonate> try it
[04:16] <g-odzilla> psychonate: yes, it is
[04:16] <g-odzilla> JESUS #1
[04:16] <Nic> g-odzilla:  Yes.  It is perfect and without flaw in every respect.  Trust the computer.  The computer is your friend.
[04:16] <psychonate> oh lol
[04:16] <bob2> oh lord
[04:16] <g-odzilla> brickabracka, firecracka, sis boom bah! JESUS, JESUS, RAH RAH RAH!
[04:16] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  I told apt to do it and it says it's not installed; dpkg --purge says it's also not installed, I think.
[04:16] <psychonate> btw, I meant try Ubuntu, not religion ;)
[04:16] <Davey> can I use the Debian unstable debian source in Ubuntu?
[04:16] <bob2> the fact g-odzilla comes from tor is slightly suspicious
[04:16] <anto9us> Selanit: Antoninus
[04:16] <bluefoxicy> (or do I have to give dpkg the version too)
[04:16] <bob2> bluefoxicy: so, it's not very surprising those files aren't there then
[04:16] <Selanit> Ahh
[04:16] <darmou> Davey it is better not to
[04:16] <bob2> bluefoxicy: ls /var/lib/dpkg/*jdk* or whatever it is
[04:17] <synd> anyone watching the spurs and the pistons?
[04:17] <Selanit> Antoninus Pius, the Roman emperor, or some other Antoninus?
[04:17] <bluefoxicy> "sudo dpkg --purge j2sdk1.4 j2re1.4" is ok?
[04:17] <bluefoxicy> ls: /var/lib/dpkg/*j2sdk*: No such file or directory
[04:17] <Imical> another newbie question, first time linux user. How install these tar.gz files?
[04:17] <psychonate> g-odzilla, check out www.distrowatch.com and check out the right hand side ;)
[04:17] <bob2> bluefoxicy: jesus
[04:17] <bob2> bluefoxicy: so, install them
[04:17] <timo_> so anyone tried ubuntu with vmware 5/win2k?
[04:17] <goldfish> Imical: better off installing from the ubuntu repositories
[04:17] <othernoob> does anyone know, why k3b (as well as nero in xp) give me the message "unsupported format" for one particular mp3, while the other 12, which were ripped the same, work just fine, when adding to an audio-cd project ?
[04:17] <psychonate> g-odzilla, that does it mean it's the best, but it is pretty popular now
[04:17] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  Preconfiguring packages ...
[04:17] <bluefoxicy> j2re1.4 failed to preconfigure, with exit status 10
[04:17] <bluefoxicy> j2sdk1.4 failed to preconfigure, with exit status 10
[04:17] <psychonate> er
[04:17] <synd> psychonate: taht just shows that ubuntu is the most popular
[04:17] <psychonate> doesn't*
[04:18] <psychonate> synd, look above
[04:18] <bob2> bluefoxicy: now go edit the preinst
[04:18] <bob2> or configure
[04:18] <bob2> er, config
[04:18] <synd> psychonate: ah, you took the words out of my mouth.
[04:18] <psychonate> hehe :)
[04:18] <bluefoxicy> bob2: ???  This is where?
[04:18] <g-odzilla> there was a dream that was Coors, it shall be realized
[04:18] <bob2> bluefoxicy: ffs
[04:18] <bob2> bluefoxicy: /var/lib/dpkg/
[04:18] <g-odzilla> these are the wishes of Big Enus Burdett
[04:18] <psychonate> wtf are you talking about?
[04:18] <synd> g-odzilla: wtf are you babbling about?
[04:18] <Selanit> Imical: Ubuntu doesn't usually use .tar.gz for precompiled packages.  Usually, Ubuntu packages come in .deb files.  .tar.gz can contain anything -- binaries, source code, random data.
[04:18] <psychonate> haha
[04:18] <bluefoxicy> bob2: nothing called j2anything there
[04:19] <bob2> g-odzilla: perhaps #random would be better suited to you
[04:19] <psychonate> psychonate: 2      synd: 0
[04:19] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  I fired find at the path with -name \*j2\* and it found zilch too, so there's definitely nothing there.
[04:19] <g-odzilla> if you are walking through a trailer park drinking a can of Pabst Blue Ribbon, fear not, for you are already in Texarkana
[04:19] <synd> indeed
[04:19] <IIIEars> timo - I have heard it works pretty well. - found an interesting link yesterday check it out. http://www.nomachine.com/
[04:20] <ajmitch> afternoon
[04:20] <bluefoxicy> I seem to have hit an arazona highway speedbump.
[04:20] <goldfish> lol
[04:20] <timo_> thanks IIIEars
[04:20] <bluefoxicy> (in arazona it got so hot that the blacktop expanded and created a bump in the road that was 6 feet high)
[04:20] <bob2> bluefoxicy: what does "dpkg -l 'j2*'" print out? (do not paste the headers)
[04:20] <bluefoxicy> in  j2re1.4          1.4.2.01-1       (no description available)
[04:20] <bluefoxicy> in  j2sdk1.4         1.4.2.01-1       (no description available)
[04:21] <upgrdman> bluefoxicy, feet or inches
[04:21] <bluefoxicy> upgrdman:  solid wall.
[04:21] <bluefoxicy> upgrdman:  So feet :)
[04:22] <gizban> does anyone know of a program that lets me access linux files from windows?
[04:22] <bluefoxicy> upgrdman:  what happened was the road gets bumps in it from expansion; but by some freaky twist of force patterns, all of the force was concentrated on one single point, which gave; so the entire expansion along about 10 miles of road occurred at one place.
[04:22] <Davey> What sthe deal with Breezy now? still b0rked as the topic says?
[04:22] <IIIEars> !ubuntu
[04:22] <ubotu> Wish i knew, IIIEars
[04:22] <^thehatsrule^> gizban, it depends on the filesystem
[04:22] <anto9us> gizban: ext2fs
[04:22] <bob2> Davey: yes
[04:22] <gizban> thanks
[04:22] <IIIEars> !ubuntuguide
[04:22] <ubotu> Wish i knew, IIIEars
[04:22] <IIIEars> !display
[04:22] <Davey> bob2: can I install *just* postgresql8 in hoary from breezy? :D
[04:22] <ubotu> IIIEars: I give up, what is it?
[04:22] <bluefoxicy> upgrdman:  and that's about what I'm looking at here; just can't seem to go over it.
[04:23] <bob2> Davey: not without getting a lot of oter stuff
[04:23] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:~/programming/libssp-1.3.1-autopackage$ sudo dpkg --remove j2re1.4
[04:23] <bluefoxicy> dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove j2re1.4 which isn't installed.
[04:23] <Davey> *sigh* :/
[04:23] <bob2> Davey: I'd just compile it from source, personally
[04:23] <bluefoxicy> what the heck does 'in' mean
[04:23] <Davey> bob2: I did. Having issues :/
[04:23] <bob2> bluefoxicy: read the headers
[04:23] <ReleaseX> hello all
[04:23] <bob2> bluefoxicy: I have no idea how you screwed your system up so badly
[04:23] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  by saying 'no' to a license agreement i wanted to say 'yes' to :P
[04:23] <Selanit> gizban: If you're using ext2 or ext3, you can try Explore2fs: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm
[04:24] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  that's as simple as it is, if you wanna try.
[04:24] <IIIEars> !status - ubotu if you core dumped your database again i am going to wring your silicon neck.
[04:24] <ubotu> IIIEars: You are moron #2
[04:24] <bob2> no thanks
[04:24] <bluefoxicy> ok well plan B
[04:24] <IIIEars> !status
[04:24] <Selanit> It's a reasonably nice GUI for accessing Linux ext* filesystems from Windows.
[04:24] <abarbaccia> hey guys - if i edited some source code for a program, how do i build it if thers no makefile
[04:24] <truz24> anyone running xorg @ 1900x1200 in ubuntu ?
[04:24] <bluefoxicy> (I'll just set it to uninstalled manually)
[04:24] <bob2> bluefoxicy: er, that won't help at all
[04:24] <IIIEars> " " factoids - going to wring it's silicon chip neck
[04:24] <bob2> abarbaccia: you need to find the instructions or ask the author
[04:25] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  what, it's still a giant flat file right?  Or did someone learn to use sqlite behind my back?
[04:25] <Nic> http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/ is a native filesystem driver for WinNT
[04:25] <bob2> haha sqlite for dpkg
[04:25] <Selanit> Hmm.  That sounds handy.
[04:25] <Selanit> Of course, it only helps for NT-based systems.
[04:25] <Nic> Selanit:  Well, that was the request.
[04:25] <Selanit> Was it?  /me looks
[04:26] <goldfish> itt was
[04:26] <kevcool> truz24: Nice resolution.  I'm running 1680x1050
[04:26] <bluefoxicy> Status: install ok not-installed
[04:26] <bluefoxicy> oh my god what the hell
[04:26] <abarbaccia> bob2, it says to use the command qmake on <name>.pro
[04:26] <Selanit> Nope, he just said "Windows" not "Windows NT/2K/XP".  He might be a 9X user.
[04:26] <Nic> Selanit:  for win9x, there's http://www.yipton.demon.co.uk/content.html#FSDEXT2
[04:26] <bluefoxicy> it's both installed and not installed
[04:26] <gizban> Selanit: thanks, explore2fs works great
[04:26] <bob2> abarbaccia: there you go
[04:26] <abarbaccia> bob2, i dont have qmake nor is it found in my repos
[04:26] <Selanit> gizban: what flavor of Windows are you using?
[04:26] <gizban> windows XP
[04:27] <Selanit> Ahh
[04:27] <truz24> thanks kevcool, odd thing is, it looks perfect in windows, but in ubuntu it looks good in some places but if i move my eyes to the left or right, it gets a tad blurry.... its very odd. i hope this is fixed in breezy.
[04:27] <bob2> abarbaccia: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=qmake&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=hoary&arch=i386
[04:27] <Selanit> Look into htpp://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/ too, as Nic has just pointed out.  It'll probably be more convenient for you.
[04:27] <abarbaccia> bob2, i got it - qt3-dev-tools - sorry for being lazy
[04:28] <bob2> abarbaccia: (don't forget build-essential, too ;)
[04:28] <truz24> imagine the screen was divided into several 50 wide pixel columns.... well, every other column is slightly blurred
[04:28] <Nic> htpp?  :P
[04:28] <kevcool> truz24: hrmmm. perhaps.  Just curious - sounds like you have a nice monitor on which to run that kind of resolution
[04:28] <truz24> yeah, dell 24"
[04:28] <truz24> widescreen
[04:28] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  yeah didn't help.
[04:29] <kevcool> yep mine is the smaller dell 20.1 wide
[04:29] <truz24> I've learned to get over the slight blur
[04:29] <truz24> cool, i guess you don't have that problem
[04:29] <abarbaccia> bob2, i got those already!! thanks tho
[04:29] <kevcool> not at all no
[04:30] <truz24> I am guessing its a driver problem with my radeon ati
[04:30] <truz24> you have nvidia ?
[04:30] <kevcool> Older radeon VE
[04:30] <IIIEars> !nvidia
[04:30] <ubotu> No idea, IIIEars
[04:30] <IIIEars> !radeon
[04:30] <ubotu> IIIEars: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[04:30] <truz24> lol
[04:31] <IIIEars> Aspirin STAT!
[04:31] <bob2> I'd be pretty surprised if it was card driver issue
[04:32] <Xyc0> Is there and iTunes for linux?
[04:32] <bob2> Xyc0: no
[04:32] <bluefoxicy> I'm officially pissed off now.
[04:32] <bob2> Xyc0: there's rhythmbox, which is kinda similar
[04:32] <anto9us> truz24: someone described a similar problem here a few days ago, they fixed it by changing the default colour depth from 24 to 16 in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:32] <bob2> bluefoxicy: that's nice, but kinda off-topic
[04:32] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  same topic.
[04:32] <kevcool> truz24: you using DVI interface or vga?
[04:32] <truz24> dvi
[04:33] <Xyc0> I am trying to get music on my iPod via Linux, any recommendations?
[04:33] <pfp> Xyc0: streamtuner + xmms, if you like internet radios
[04:33] <truz24> anto9us, they were happy with 16 bit depth?
[04:33] <kevcool> surprisingly vga is super crisp for me
[04:33] <kevcool> on this mon
[04:33] <truz24> dvi made a nice difference
[04:33] <bluefoxicy> ok fine, I'm submitting a bug without a ready solution
[04:33] <truz24> i was running vga at first
[04:33] <bluefoxicy> you guys can figure it out.
[04:33] <kevcool> same situation with vga?
[04:33] <truz24> don't know
[04:33] <IIIEars> Yes and no. most use an emulation layer. - there is a "grey" client that strips DRM from downloads - not likely to make itunes happy. - use it once and you will need a new acct.
[04:33] <anto9us> truz24: I imagine only a graphic artist or someone like that would be unhappy with 16 bit depth
[04:34] <Selanit> It is proving irritatingly difficult to come up with a list of just top-level programs on the livecd.
[04:34] <bob2> bluefoxicy: er...blackdown is not in ubuntu
[04:34] <bob2> Xyc0: gtkpod can do that
[04:34] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  it's the behavior of apt.
[04:34] <bob2> bluefoxicy: er, no, sorry
[04:34] <Xyc0> thanks bob2
[04:34] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  is blackdown sticking settings around my hard disk somewhere aside from where dpkg knows about, before it's even installed?
[04:35] <bob2> bluefoxicy: you seem to be confusing apt and dpkg
[04:35] <bob2> bluefoxicy: also, I'm not sure why you think either are at fault
[04:35] <bob2> they are completely different things
[04:35] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  Well, because when I say "no" to a question in preinst which is asked of me through debconf, the setting "no" seems to be magically remembered although the package fails in preinst and doesn't get installed
[04:35] <bob2> bluefoxicy: no, it was not asked by debconf
[04:35] <kan1> anyone got any idea why kppp dont work right
[04:36] <bob2> kan1: #kubuntu might have more kppp users
[04:36] <IIIEars> setup your own itunes server?!? http://www.whatsinyourbox.org/article28.html
[04:36] <Nic> bluefoxicy:  if you have strace installed, you can try running your install through that and tease out the file locations
[04:36] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  what asks the questions then?  pops up a gnome or ncurses dialog,
[04:36] <bluefoxicy> Nic:  yeah, I could.  *wince*
[04:36] <zeeble> bleep
[04:37] <Nic> bluefoxicy:  it certainly beats whinging about it not working.
[04:37] <fossa> hi
[04:38] <nickrud> that was the worst gnome lock I've ever head
[04:38] <anto9us> zeeble: now, now, mind your bleeping language in here please ;)
[04:38] <IIIEars> itunes = CrossoverOffice
[04:38] <nickrud> *had
[04:38] <fossa> i have two soundcards, one doesn'twork. everytime i start  up kde or xfce i have to restart the OSS sound server. how do i make the functioning soundcard the default?
[04:38] <zeeble> anto9us: sure sure :)
[04:38] <inc595> anybody ever have network servers link not connect to windows boxs?
[04:38] <Selanit> fossa: can you remove the malfunctioning sound card?
[04:38] <Selanit> Physically, that is
[04:38] <fossa> no. it's onboard.
[04:39] <Selanit> Try disabling it in BIOS
[04:39] <fossa> ok next time i reboot
[04:39] <zeeble> Disable it in the bios, and remove the modules associated with it.
[04:39] <kan1> bob2 noones home
[04:40] <bluefoxicy> what's pkgcache.bin
[04:40] <Selanit> >.<
[04:40] <inc595> i can see mshome but can't get the others machine to show up
[04:40] <fossa> i wish i could type in a dir in 'sound system' under 'override device location' or sometin
[04:40] <Jormundgand> inc595: Check the name of the Windows network and make sure you're connecting.
[04:40] <bob2> bluefoxicy: er, don't touch that
[04:40] <Selanit> Question: does openoffice.org-bin serve as a dependency to any other program?
[04:41] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  ok
[04:41] <nickrud> fossa if bios doesn't work, you can blacklist modules in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[04:42] <inc595> Jormundgand, i used to work without configuration but for some reason it doesn't.. I can connevt with remote desktop fine
[04:42] <zeeble> What is a good GUI cd ripper? other than grip
[04:42] <Selanit> I like k3b, personally
[04:43] <Selanit> But it's a KDE program, so you need the QT libs if you're a gnome perosn.
[04:43] <Selanit> *person
[04:43] <ablyss> k3b = only one i know how to use
[04:43] <pfp> zeeble: asunder is nice & simple
[04:43] <zeeble> hm, ok
[04:43] <Jormundgand> inc595: type this at the console and tell me what it says: `grep workgroup /etc/samba/smb.conf`.
[04:43] <kan1> ablyss:  howdy dude
[04:44] <Jormundgand> inc595: and then tell me what the Windows network reports its name as.
[04:44] <kan1> ablyss:  how are things in the south
[04:44] <zeeble> pfp: what's the apt source for asunder?
[04:44] <ablyss> believe it or not about 3 or so years ago I was ripping via command line with blade inc... i guess the saying is true with age you forgot stuff
[04:44] <ablyss> forget, er
[04:44] <Nic> They say memory is the second thing to go with age.  I forget what the first thing is...
[04:44] <inc595> says mshome
[04:45] <pfp> zeeble: oh... there may not be one, sorry. i had to compile it
[04:45] <ablyss> kan1, wonderful... just humid as hades,.. how about your way?
[04:45] <zeeble> pfp: ah, ok.
[04:45] <Jormundgand> inc595: And the network name according to the Windows systems?
[04:45] <Selanit> >.<
[04:45] <zeeble> Let's build a deb then :)
[04:45] <inc595> Jormundgand, i double checked by rdp and it says mshome
[04:45] <kan1> ablyss:  about 97 in the shade
[04:45] <zeeble> 31C here.
[04:45] <Selanit> Either deborphan is screwed up, or I'm feeding it the wrong command-line options.
[04:46] <Jormundgand> inc595: And have you done `sudo testparm` and `sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart`?
[04:46] <inc595> Jormundgand, when samba works... it's great .. when it breaks.. it's really broke lol
[04:46] <ablyss> kan1, nice
[04:46] <inc595> let me try those
[04:47] <kan1> ablyss:  its very humid here also
[04:47] <fossa> i have to wait until 9 pm for the sun to go down before i can jog.
[04:48] <zeeble> The coolest time of the day yesterday was at 4am. And 27C
[04:48] <kan1> have to give kppp a try again
[04:48] <inc595> Jormundgand, I think this is the problem
[04:48] <inc595> sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[04:48] <zeeble> kwvdial >> kppp
[04:48] <ablyss> its cooler outside than in my basement
[04:48] <inc595> wrong one
[04:48] <Jormundgand> inc595: Result?
[04:48] <ablyss> sucks rat pebbles
[04:48] <inc595> grr won't copy
[04:49] <inc595> well it's saying lock and pid dir don't exist
[04:49] <Jormundgand> o_O
[04:49] <inc595> ya i kno
[04:49] <Selanit> Have any of you customized the livecd?
[04:50] <Jormundgand> I have no idea at all, inc595. Sorry.
[04:50] <jason^> i've been having some weird problems where sounds gets repeated or not playing fully, expecially with gaim, is there anything i can do to test?
[04:50] <inc595> well thanks put me in right direction.. going to try to make those dir and see what happens
[04:54] <Selanit> None of you have used deborphan by any chance, have you . . . ? The stupid thing is producing some weird results, and I don't know whether I've screwed up or whether it has.
[04:54] <pfp> Selanit: i have used it a little, but on debian
[04:55] <nickrud> Selanit likewise
[04:55] <Selanit> I doubt it's much different.  It
[04:55] <Selanit> Sorry, pressed enter too early.
[04:55] <Selanit> It's just supposed to discover packages that don't serve as dependencies to other packages . . . right?
[04:55] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  can you read a preinst script for a deb package
[04:55] <fossa> can i change the default font size in my terminals?
[04:55] <nickrud> Selanit yes, but
[04:56] <pfp> Selanit: yep. by default only in libraries iirc
[04:56] <nickrud> Selanit you may find debfoster more useful
[04:56] <fossa> nm.
[04:57] <Selanit> I've been using the command "deborphan -az" to come up with a list of all the top-level programs in the system.  "a" for all packages (not just libs) and "z" to show sizes.  But it misses obvious packages like openoffice.org-bin.  Which is weird.
[04:57] <Selanit> And I'll look into debfoster
[04:57] <nickrud> Selanit I mention it cuz I used it a long time ago, but watch yourself
[04:57] <bluefoxicy> ok it's definitely debconf
[04:59] <ws005> hi.....
[04:59] <fossa> hi
[04:59] <goldfish> hello
[05:00] <ws005> hai........
[05:00] <nickrud> bluefoxicy /var/lib/dpkg/info has the prinstall scripts
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> nickrud:  I'm looking at /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> I halted the j2re1.4 install and checked it
[05:00] <nickrud> hah, I've never done that :)
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> it seems to me that it checks to see if there's already a "false" value set for if the user's seen the license
[05:01] <bluefoxicy> and if so, aborts and fails.
[05:01] <bluefoxicy> which is exactly what I said over an hour ago
[05:01] <Selanit> Hmm.  I'm not sure debfoster will do what I want.  All I want is a list of packages on the livecd that are supposed to be used by the user, not just by other programs.
[05:02] <Selanit> Preferably with their disk space requirements.
[05:02] <bluefoxicy> nickrud: http://rafb.net/paste/results/NpAbS048.html
[05:03] <bluefoxicy> nickrud:  there should be some way to remove that damn setting from whatever the hell database it put it in though >/
[05:03] <Selanit> This shouldn't be this hard.
[05:03] <bluefoxicy> it's not like dpkg doesn't know what package it's trying to install
[05:03] <pfp> Selanit: hmm, some OOo packages depend on openoffice.org-bin
[05:03] <nickrud> swoosh :)
[05:04] <bluefoxicy> granted
[05:04] <bluefoxicy> whoever wrote this preinst script is dumber than a box of hair.
[05:04] <pfp> Selanit: and ubuntu-desktop depends on openoffice.org, so that's why none of OOo is listed
[05:05] <mpm> I tried uncommenting marillat to install w32codecs, and am getting error, "Unable to fetch file, server said 'Can't open ....' any thoughts???
[05:05] <bluefoxicy> the system shouldn't be this fragile though.  I should be able to isolate any changes made by any package and undo it.
[05:05] <Selanit> pfp: I already did "apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop" to take care of that.  In fact, I've removed all of the metapackages.  (But not their dependencies, of course.)
[05:05] <bluefoxicy> you can in gentoo (which sandboxes things even to prevent them from touching ANYTHING outside the sandbox area so you KNOW it can't screw up your system while portage is working right)
[05:05] <Selanit> Logically, the meta-package dependencies should now be registered as independent programs.
[05:07] <nickrud> Selanit apt-get does not, but aptitude does keep track of that kind of dependency
[05:07] <pfp> Selanit: hmm but imo, the dependencies shouldn't change when you add/remove packages from your system
[05:07] <nickrud> that is, what top level package requires the lower level
[05:07] <Selanit> Aptitude, huh?
[05:08] <pfp> maybe nickrud knows better, i haven't used aptitude
[05:08] <hypa7ia> any canucks gotten cd's yet?
[05:08] <Selanit> Maybe I should switch to a real livecd environment instead of a chroot and install that.
[05:08] <IIIEars> pfp - "No super Moo powers?"
[05:09] <mpm> anyone experience the marillat servers going offline intermittently?  I reinstalled and am currently unable to access the w32codecs packages
[05:09] <nickrud> aptitude will track what dependencies it installed for a package you request, and will remove the depenencies
[05:10] <nickrud> upon top level package removal.
[05:10] <nickrud> I spent a few hours cleaning up after apt-get a while ago
[05:10] <pfp> IIIEars: i've always had Super Cow Powers ;) - whatever that means
[05:10] <IIIEars> Heh
[05:11] <Selanit> nickrud: Still not quite what I want.  All I want is to find out what packages are installed that are supposed to be used directly.  Is that so much to ask?  Apparently so . . . .
[05:11] <pfp> or is it *powders?
[05:11] <nickrud> Selanit no, there are guru commands
[05:11] <nickrud> ask one of them, they can get it done :)
[05:13] <Selanit> Great.  All I need now is Super Guru Powers.
[05:13] <Selanit> $sudo guru --help
[05:13] <nickrud> Selanit they drop in and out of here, ask a few times :)
[05:14] <Selanit> I hate when I get stuck on some intermediate stage and spend hours trying to figure it out.  I'd rather move on.
[05:14] <nickrud> Selanit and, it you have flameproof underware, and phrase your question carefully, #debian may help
[05:14] <Selanit> Been there
[05:14] <nickrud> lol
[05:16] <Selanit> It just seems so bizarre that there's no dependency graphs anywhere I could consult.  The package databases list the first-level dependencies of any given package, but not the dependencies of those depdendencies.  And there's apparently no way to search for a program that doesn't supply a dependency.
[05:17] <fossa> use synaptic
[05:18] <Selanit> Synaptic is not set up to tell me which programs don't serve as dependencies to other programs.  And anyway, I'm working from the command-line at the moment.
[05:18] <fossa> 10-4
[05:19] <nickrud> Selanit I assume you know apt-cache [depends|rdpends] 
[05:19] <nickrud> and you probably can script better than me
[05:20] <sproingie> aptitude will show dependencies in either direction of a package
[05:20] <Selanit> nickrud: err, actually no.  I've been using a different distro for the last several years . . . ubuntu's the first binary distro I've used in some time.
[05:20] <co_bskt> hi
[05:20] <nickrud> Selanit ignore apt-get, use aptitude, the ncurses version will let you check out a lot
[05:21] <co_bskt> hi
[05:22] <co_bskt> jshduf
[05:22] <co_bskt> dhfushpado
[05:22] <xero> do i need a certain package in order to play DVDs?
[05:24] <co_bskt> hi
[05:24] <mpm> IIIEars++
[05:24] <mpm> thanks
[05:25] <arti> hallo
[05:25] <hypa7ia> xero: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:25] <Selanit> Aptitude is closer.  But it's focused on individual packages.  What I need it to do is take the list of every single package installed, remove the ones that serve as dependencies to others, and present me with the remaining ones.
[05:25] <arti> shit on you
[05:25] <nickrud> Selanit like I said, guru city
[05:26] <nickrud> I just use stuff
[05:26] <mpm> IIIEars: i got it
[05:26] <Selanit> Sigh.  The longer I work at this, the more I like the idea of manually looking up every package and checking its dependencies.  There are only 853 of them . . . it should only take a full day or two if I hurry.
[05:27] <rixth> Quick question, in a shell script, how do I assign 1.1 for $version?
[05:27] <fossa> why are you working on command line?
[05:27] <rixth> to $version*
[05:27] <nickrud> Selanit ask someone about grep-dctrl, I've never grokked it, but I think it's your path
[05:28] <pfp> rixth: umm, just 'version=1.1' (omit the $ from var.name)
[05:28] <Selanit> fossa: because I'm customizing the livecd.  I need to remove several hundred MB of stuff from the LiveCD to make room for . . . other things . . . and I want to start by removing the packages that are least likely to be directly used by a newbie.
[05:28] <Selanit> So at the moment I'm chrooted into an extracted copy of the LiveCD's compressed filesystem.
[05:28] <rixth> pfp, thanks
[05:29] <xero> thanks hypa7ia
[05:29] <fossa> ah so you need to get rid of the big things, then get rid of all the small things that aren't needed by the big things.
[05:30] <Selanit> Some big things are absolutely necessary.  The kernel, for example.  I could save 44 MB by removing the kernel, but . . . no.
[05:30] <fossa> rm -rf /*
[05:30] <Selanit> That would remove a lot of stuff too. ^_^
[05:31] <Quest-Master> Anyone have some docs on how to make Vim my bitch as everyone on UbuntuForums claims?
[05:32] <nickrud> vim is a dominatrix
[05:32] <IIIEars> Quest-Master - in a word for newbs like me "YES!"
[05:32] <Quest-Master> IIIEars: Hmm?
[05:32] <lydon> anyone know why I wouldn't be able to ping my localhost in any way? not by 127.0.0.1, localhost, or hostname
[05:32] <nickrud> but vimtutor is a good introduction
[05:33] <Selanit> lydon: do you have networking installed?
[05:33] <Selanit> No wait
[05:33] <Selanit> That's a dumb question
[05:33] <lydon> Selanit: yes, I am on it right now
[05:33] <Selanit> Right, obviously, you're here
[05:34] <Selanit> Might be a firewall issue
[05:34] <IIIEars> Quest-Master - I no longer reboot to escape it. small improvement guess thats progress. -lol
[05:34] <Quest-Master> lol
[05:34] <lydon> Selanit: haha... yeah, but here's the thing... I have it set up with apache, and a jabber server, and I can connect to it from other computers on the network
[05:35] <Selanit> What error message does it give you when you ping -c 3 127.0.0.1?
[05:35] <IIIEars> Quest-Master - the GRUB editor is a great deal of "fun" also.
[05:35] <Quest-Master> :P
[05:35] <Selanit> GRUB editor?  I usually use nano for that.
[05:35] <rixth> How do I specify the user in a ftp string? I need to login as anon, "ftp ____ ftp.server.com"?
[05:35] <IIIEars> nano is a bit better
[05:36] <lydon> Selanit: it just kinda sits there for a while then pops down and tells me all packets were lost
[05:36] <Selanit> I think it's ftp://user:password@host/
[05:36] <rixth> Selanit, thanks
[05:37] <Selanit> Hmm.
[05:37] <rixth> ftp: ftp://anonymous:@upload.sourceforge.net: Unknown host nope :(
[05:37] <Selanit> Hmm
[05:37] <Selanit> hold on a sec
[05:38] <lydon> rixth: try ftp://upload.sourceforge.net:user:password
[05:38] <lydon> ... I think it's something besides that second colon though....
[05:38] <rixth> ftp://upload.sourceforge.net:anonymous: Unknown host
[05:38] <ablyss> second color would be read at a port not password
[05:38] <ablyss> color/colon
[05:39] <Selanit> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/ftpurl.html
[05:39] <Selanit> ^-- FTP url discussion
[05:39] <ablyss> not all webbroswer support ftp logins either
[05:40] <lydon> true ablyss... and some of them suck at it (ie)
[05:40] <rixth> ablyss, this is from the command line!
[05:40] <nickrud> nice link
[05:40] <ablyss> man ftp
[05:40] <Selanit> I'm not sure it's possible to specify a password for an anonymous account in an URL -- the @ symbol is reserved to divide between the user info and the hostname, but anon access usually requires an email account as the pw.
[05:40] <rixth> ablyss, I've looked
[05:40] <Selanit> Have you tried lftp?
[05:40] <Selanit> That's a decent command-line FTP client.
[05:40] <nickrud> or, have you tried places->connect to server
[05:41] <rixth> I'm kaing a script which makes a zip & tar packages of a dircetory and uploads them to SF
[05:41] <ablyss> echo "username" | ftp some.ftp.site.com
[05:41] <lydon> Anymore ideas on my localhost connection... could it be because I have two network cards and only one is active?
[05:41] <Selanit> That's possible, but I don't really know.
[05:41] <Selanit> Is this causing problems for you?
[05:42] <lydon> well, I'm using it for testing a web-based jabber client... and it can't connect to itself, and it's the jabber server
[05:42] <lydon> but it works perfectly from other workstations, so I could live without it
[05:42] <Selanit> what's the IP address of your machine?
[05:43] <Selanit> That you would ping from one of these other workstations, that is
[05:43] <lydon> 192.168.1.101
[05:43] <rixth> Ohhh,
[05:44] <Selanit> Try ping 192.168.1.101 from the affected machine and see if it works
[05:44] <lydon> it says invalid argument?
[05:44] <Selanit> ?_?
[05:44] <lydon> wait it says...
[05:44] <lydon> connect: Invalid Argument
[05:44] <Selanit> Google that
[05:45] <Selanit> check the newsgroups to see if someone else has complained about that error; maybe it'll help
[05:48] <fossa> why doesn't the sound volume slider in xmms work for me?
[05:48] <lydon> well, I'll get on it in the morning, thanks for the help Selanit
[05:48] <lydon> good night all
[05:48] <Selanit> Cya
[05:48] <kalias> Hi!  I have a question regarding which c compiler to install.
[05:49] <nickrud> kalias build-essential
[05:49] <nickrud> :)
[05:50] <meph-> hi
[05:50] <nickrud> so, kalias what you been up to?
[05:50] <IIIEars> what is the linux equivalent for "tracert" ?
[05:50] <kalias> nickrud: Hi :) Nice to see you again. I have been busy with work. You?
[05:50] <nickrud> IIIEars traceroute?
[05:50] <Selanit> traceroute . . . ?
[05:50] <meph-> Is there any documentation on setting up ubuntu for a server?
[05:50] <nickrud> me too, got some free time this evening
[05:51] <IIIEars> my gatway is "lost" lol file transfer over irc are stopped.
[05:51] <kalias> nickrud: Cool that way you can do fun things.  I do this linux stuff as a hobby.
[05:52] <nickrud> I use it as my work station, which get my company to pay for my hobby. Clueless, aren't they :)
[05:52] <IIIEars> meph - yes check the ubuntu wiki a nice one there on MySQL also.
[05:52] <kalias> nickrud: Yep.  You a programmer?
[05:52] <nickrud> well, in this case
[05:52] <ablyss> actually i dont know why i didnt think about wget, but wget handles ftp quite nicely
[05:53] <nickrud> kalias twenty years ago, I could have said yes. Now, no
[05:53] <SuperTails92> Is there a Ubuntu package for Midnight Commander?
[05:53] <nickrud> If I really need to, I can read it nowadays, but that's the extent
[05:53] <kalias> nickrud:  I see, we have a cagey veteran in our midst ;)
[05:54] <bob2> SuperTails92: of course, "mc"
[05:54] <nickrud> lol, no, I have forgotten so much I forget what I've forgotten, which is dangerous
[05:54] <SuperTails92> Really? "sudo apt-get install mc" fails.
[05:55] <redtech> whats a decent replacement for xmms ?
[05:55] <bob2> SuperTails92: did you enable the universe repository?
[05:55] <deFrysk> beep-media-player
[05:55] <kalias> nickrud: Funny, I know what you mean.  My speciality is hardware, have to learn this software stuff just to keep up.
[05:55] <bob2> redtech: why not use xmms?
[05:55] <redtech> well.  I keep having a hard time with it
[05:55] <kengur> hi, can someone help with pppoe?
[05:55] <nickrud> kalias heh
[05:56] <redtech> it used to work
[05:56] <bob2> kengur: best to just ask your question...
[05:56] <SuperTails92> Synaptic lists various (universe) categories, so probably.
[05:56] <redtech> now when i hit play....  it buffers then just sits there.  More times than not I have to kill the app
[05:56] <kalias> nickrun: will build essential give me all the tools for c compling plus cross compiling?  I am going to be writing some stuff for a mips processor.
[05:56] <kengur> bob2, i've gone pppoeconf and got ppp0 running, but the default gateway is eth0 and i can't switch it to use ppp0
[05:56] <bob2> SuperTails92: well, it is in universe, I can see it right now
[05:57] <redtech> so I tried rhythmbox ..  what a klunker that is
[05:57] <bob2> kengur: remove the "gateway" line from /etc/network/interfaces
[05:57] <goldfish> redtech: cplay
[05:57] <nickrud> kalias cross compiling I don't know, basic work yes
[05:58] <kalias> nickrun: okay, I will give it a go and try the cross compiling stuff later.  Thanks for your help :)
[05:58] <redtech> goldfish, thx
[05:59] <kengur> bob2, there's no 'gateway' there, if i add ppp0 in hotplug section would it do?
[05:59] <IIIEars> goldfish - wow lightweight.
[05:59] <IIIEars> goldfish - very nice
[05:59] <bob2> kengur: try commenting out the hotplug lines
[06:00] <bolivar> using the sound recorder that is installed by default to test my mic.  i have everything turned up to record and playback but the playback is very faint.  thoughts please?
[06:01] <bob2> does it work any better in windows or whatever?
[06:01] <bolivar> yes it works fine in xp
[06:01] <goldfish> IIIEars: :)
[06:01] <Stargazer> evening... Question, how does one get rid of graphic corruption using 5.04 PPC on a G3?  Under Gnome there are white shimmering dots all over the screen when viewing videos and under kde the dots appear where the mouse moves to and in window bars..
[06:02] <SuperTails92> bolivar: Have you checked the mixer settings?
[06:02] <SuperTails92> nvm
[06:02] <bolivar> thats ok.  yes i did
[06:02] <bolivar> i made sure to select all the types of input and output devices
[06:02] <bolivar> all are turned up
[06:02] <bolivar> none are mute
[06:03] <kengur> bob2, how do i 'restart' this thing?
[06:03] <bob2> kengur: sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart
[06:04] <bolivar> and i can stream the virgin station with rythmbox and hear it fine
[06:04] <kengur> thanks
[06:05] <kalias> nickrud: I just looked up build esstential and it is a list of tools. Does it then download the c compiler and install it or do I need to do that manually?
[06:05] <goldfish> kalias: should install the compiler for you
[06:05] <j-rock> kalias: build-essential should install gcc for you
[06:05] <kalias> okay, thanks guys, I will give it a go :)
[06:06] <nickrud> kalias build essential gets you gcc, and related. After that, you may need to install specific -dev packages for the purpose, and, maybe, older tools.
[06:06] <mpm> when starting apps in term are "art_render_invoke: no image source given" _and_ "*** attempt to put segment in horiz list twice" avoidable errors?
[06:06] <nickrud> kalias but build essential is, as it says, essential :)
[06:07] <synd> haha microsof has finally built a plugin for IE to have tabbed browsing.. still sucks tho
[06:07] <synd> soft*
[06:07] <kalias> nickrud:  thanks :) It is in progress as we speak.
[06:07] <Teknoenie> g'day all
[06:07] <Teknoenie> is there a way to online resize my root filesystem
[06:07] <Teknoenie> ext3
[06:08] <Seveas> Teknoenie, you have to boot from a livecd to do that iirc
[06:08] <crb> Hi all.
[06:08] <Teknoenie> thought so
[06:08] <Teknoenie> no online resize in Ubuntu yet eh
[06:08] <crb> Probably a generic kernel thing, but I have two hoary machines on similar (P4ish) hardware that, after an hour or so of uptime, lock up whenever there's any disc activity.
[06:09] <crb> Teknoenie: you can resize discs from the Ubuntu installer?
[06:09] <crb> Any ideas?  Saving config files causes 30s of unresponsiveness
[06:09] <IIIEars> xvidcap-1.1.3 ffmpeg libdvdcss, mad series gstreamer-mad etc, - just about anything that plays mp3's or DVDs right now. - more lawsuits coming i am sure.
[06:09] <crb> loading a man page, etc ;)
[06:10] <Vagabond> please for someone to help me
[06:10] <goldfish> whats wrong?
[06:11] <Vagabond> I have to make ndiswrapper so that I can use wireless internet card but when I try I get an error message, can't find kernel sources.  where oh where are my kernel sources?
[06:11] <goldfish> hmmm
[06:11] <goldfish> are u trying to install it via apt-get?
[06:12] <bob2> Vagabond: you don't need to "make" it, it's included
[06:12] <Vagabond> no, im installing it by make && make install
[06:12] <Vagabond> this laptop over here where you cant see it isnt plugged into the internet
[06:12] <bob2> so...
[06:12] <Vagabond> well im compiling from source
[06:12] <goldfish> hmm, the guide from the wiki only shows instructions for compiling from source....
[06:12] <bob2> it's way easier not to
[06:12] <Vagabond> what!?
[06:13] <goldfish> Vagabond: sudo apt-get instsll ndiswrapper-utils
[06:13] <goldfish> (instal
[06:13] <goldfish> gah
[06:13] <goldfish> *install :)
[06:13] <Vagabond> righto
[06:15] <tkiesel> Hiya everyone.
[06:16] <goldfish> hi
[06:16] <tkiesel> My wife and I had enough spare parts to make a computer for a buddy of ours. Installing Hoary on it now. :)
[06:16] <goldfish> tkiesel: lol, nice
[06:16] <Vagabond_> re hi
[06:17] <tkiesel> He's going to be connecting via a modem. That's the only part I'm unfamiliar with yet.
[06:17] <tkiesel> wb Vagabond.
[06:17] <BlueT_> wHisKy: thanx :p
[06:17] <Vagabond> thanks
[06:17] <Vagabond> why is it that I did not specify a root password but it still demands one from me?
[06:17] <twitch> I'm having some trouble with my voodoo2 graphics card I just put in my linux box
[06:18] <nickrud> tkiesel pppconfig will be his friend
[06:18] <tkiesel> Vagabond: It'll be the password of the user you created during install.
[06:18] <tkiesel> nickrud: Is that one GUI-ified? He's never used Linux before.
[06:18] <Vagabond> I tried that
[06:18] <nickrud> no, but it's extremely simple
[06:19] <twitch> I have it installed, and lspic recognizes it but when i go to boot it doesn't pick up the card and doesnt display anything
[06:19] <twitch> lspci*
[06:19] <tkiesel> nickrud: Right on. :)
[06:19] <bob2> Vagabond: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[06:19] <bob2> Vagabond: what is demanding a "root password" fromyou?
[06:19] <nickrud> tkiesel don't hide the terminal from him, when he wakes up, he'll hate you for it :)
[06:20] <tkiesel> lmao.
[06:20] <goldfish> terminal is best lace to leran
[06:20] <tkiesel> I think he'll be able to handle it.
[06:20] <bob2> twitch: lspci doesn't have any relation to your system "recognising" a card, it just shows that it's physically connected
[06:20] <goldfish> *place
[06:20] <bob2> twitch: try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:20] <Vagabond> the, uh... terminal
[06:21] <IIIEars> goldfidh - why can't they grep and pipe the info to hardware setup?
[06:21] <goldfish> ??
[06:21] <root____1> hi
[06:21] <helpee> Q: I some how have screwed up my mbr
[06:21] <IIIEars> goldfish - stile canned spall - sawry. :/
[06:21] <helpee> i am on ubuntu live cd
[06:21] <helpee> how can i get it to redetect and reinstall bootloader?
[06:21] <goldfish> IIIEars: no problem, cant who grep what ehwhen?
[06:22] <bob2> Vagabond: what terminal?
[06:22] <helpee> anyone? ;-( grub does not appear to be on ubuntu live
[06:22] <IIIEars> goldfish - if the info can be gotten using lspci why isn't it added automagically?
[06:22] <goldfish> em
[06:22] <Seveas> Vagabond, you must have typed a command in that terminal, which command?
[06:22] <Selanit> helpee: how did you screw up your MBR using the LiveCD?
[06:22] <helpee> it wasnt livecd
[06:23] <helpee> it was reinstall m$ *sigh*
[06:23] <nickrud> IIIEars someone has to write a hotplug/udev combination to make it work
[06:23] <Vagabond> I typed sudo blah blah blah whatever goldfish told me to
[06:23] <Seveas> helpee, grub is un the livecd
[06:23] <Seveas> Vagabond, you need *your own* password for that
[06:23] <helpee> can you tell me where
[06:23] <helpee> find could not find it
[06:23] <Seveas> Vagabond: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:23] <Vagabond> thanks
[06:23] <IIIEars> nickrud - the next test of a cards abilities? cache/ram/speed?
[06:23] <goldfish> IIIEars: lspci just reads from the hardware afaik
[06:24] <flodine> how do you install mplayer
[06:24] <Seveas> helpee, just run: sudo grub-install '(hd0)' after mounting your disks and chrooting into your installed system
[06:24] <helpee> i only see .lst, .pl, grub.vim
[06:24] <helpee> no grub-install
[06:24] <nickrud> IIIEars eh, after I wrote that I wondered exactly what it was about, that's a generality
[06:24] <goldfish> flodine: sudo apt-get install mplayer
[06:24] <Selanit> Try sudo apt-get install grub and then see if you have grub-install . . . ?
[06:25] <deFrysk> mplayer-<arch>
[06:25] <Seveas> helpee, after you chroot into your installed system, you use the grub-install that is on yout hard drive
[06:25] <flodine> thxs
[06:25] <helpee> installing new pacage
[06:25] <IIIEars> giant flat file compare would be too easy i guess. if it was that easy it would of been done already. - oh well.
[06:25] <SLicE_> hey guys just out of curiousity, if I installed the drivers off the ati webpage and installed it, I don't need the synaptic fglrx control and xorg driver-fglrx do I?
[06:26] <helpee> ok have grub
[06:27] <IIIEars> cool
[06:27] <Seveas> helpee, you still need to mount your drives and chroot into your installed system....
[06:27] <helpee>  grub-install hd0
[06:27] <helpee> /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[06:27] <Seveas> otherwise grub-install cannot work correctly...
[06:30] <IIIEars> << used to smoke Chroots in the army       cheroots?  - grin
[06:31] <IcemanV9> totem, xine or mplayer (doesn't work) won't play my homemade DVD movie??? its think i am playing it illegally. sheesh. is there a way to play it?
[06:32] <mpm> IcemanV9: did you try vlc?
[06:32] <nickrud> IIIEars army? navy
[06:32] <IcemanV9> no. i didn't install vlc. let me try
[06:32] <IIIEars> nickrud 11Bravo 4/10th Inf Panama
[06:33] <Quest-Master> IcemanV9: If VLC doesn't work, try Ogle
[06:33] <IcemanV9> ha. try ALL of them, eh? :)
[06:33] <kalias> Away:
[06:33] <IIIEars> remember Iran Contra and the "School" of the Americas?
[06:33] <nickrud> IIIEars USS Manitowoc LST 1180
[06:33] <IIIEars> nickrud - Salute
[06:33] <nickrud> known as a large slow target
[06:34] <nickrud> Salute
[06:34] <twitch> could someone help me set up my voodoo 2 card?
[06:34] <nickrud> heh, but off topic :)
[06:35] <Dethread> hm...what do these permissions mean?    drwx------+
[06:35] <Seveas> Dethread, owner can read,write,execute, others cannotr
[06:35] <Dethread> what's that +
[06:35] <twitch> lspci detects it, but when i start up my machine nothing boots to the screen with the monitor plugged into the card, but when its plugged into the onboard it works
[06:35] <kalias> BACK
[06:36] <kalias> quit
[06:36] <caonex> hello while running apt-get i get the error: segmentation faulty tree and exits, how can i fix this?
[06:38] <IcemanV9> dang .. vlc is no good .. onward to Ogle *sigh*
[06:38] <nickrud> caonex it that the complete error?
[06:38] <caonex> yes
[06:38] <caonex> that is all it says
[06:38] <nickrud> apt-get i what?
[06:38] <nickrud> ?
[06:38] <caonex> i get it when i run apt-get upgrade
[06:39] <caonex> when i run apt-get update it works
[06:39] <caonex> i am running hoary
[06:39] <nickrud> caonex please paste the error in #flood, that's weird
[06:39] <caonex> with the standard kernel that is bundled
[06:39] <caonex> ok
[06:40] <IcemanV9> DANG! ogle is no go. *sigh* onward to google
[06:40] <ReleaseX> i love it when you are helping someone, and they give up and leave
[06:41] <caonex> nickrud, i would not be able to cut and paste because the system is remote and seems that the internet is down, i was just in. And I have been trying to run apt-get after restarting and all for the past few days and nothing.
[06:41] <nickrud> ReleaseX they're not used to #ubuntu, I figure. From the what the refugees from other channels say, this one is unusual
[06:42] <felix> Hello everyone
[06:42] <ReleaseX> nickrud, i just don't see it, seems normal to me
[06:42] <caonex> nickrud, i can probably check with you tomorrow and paste the error
[06:42] <nickrud> caonex your report was kinda vague, & I can't promise I'll see it, but I am in and out
[06:43] <nickrud> ReleaseX just a gut feel
[06:43] <imaekphp> :|
[06:43] <caonex> nickrud, that is all the information i get, i cant say anything else, i would be lying.
[06:44] <Dethread> google knows about that one...
[06:44] <KarlosII> anyone running gallery using ubuntu?
[06:44] <nickrud> caonex I assume you're paraphrasing, and an actual cut and paste of the would help
[06:44] <nickrud> *error
[06:44] <caonex> nickrud, hopefully i will see you tomorrow. Well i could swear to you all i see after running apt-get upgrade is:
[06:44] <caonex> Segmentation Fault tree 50%
[06:45] <caonex> and gets outs
[06:45] <nickrud> caonex I've never seen that one. But that is not authoritative :)
[06:45] <caonex> nickrud, but you do not have to believe me and it is kind of vague, but whenever i see you next i will paste it.
[06:45] <felix> Totally new to linux, and Ubuntu: Do i have to manually enter my wep key everytime I start up Ubuntu? I currently have to do this then grab the DHCP address from my router
[06:45] <ice_1963> whats up whith kde 3.4 it keep's crashing on kubuntu ?????
[06:45] <Dethread> caonex, maybe this will help http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2000/03/msg00847.html
[06:46] <caonex> nickrud, i understand, you are the first here to seem to know, i have pasted it and all i have receive as answer is to reinstall which i cannt
[06:46] <nickrud> oh, Dethread has given us something to read, caonex
[06:47] <Selanit> Tchah!  I give up for now.  Time to go unwind.
[06:47] <Selanit> Cya, ppl.
[06:47] <Dethread> someone replied to there "Usually 'rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin' makes it go away, I dont understand how it is possible to get into a state where that is required"
[06:47] <Dethread> an "apt-get clean" would probably help out
[06:47] <nickrud> what I like is it's from 2000
[06:47] <Dethread> aye :)
[06:47] <caonex> Dethread, i will try that next time computer comes on, thanks
[06:50] <nedwasp> can anyone recommend a remote address book host (like for ldap) so i can access my address book anywhere?
[06:50] <nickrud> someone knows what could cause a 'faulty' tree :)
[06:51] <bob2> "faulty tree"?
[06:51] <nickrud> bob2 see Dethread's link above
[06:52] <Dethread> bob2, on an "apt-get upgrade" -> "Segmentation faulty Tree"
[06:52] <bob2> er
[06:52] <nedwasp> i can't seem to get transparency to work at all.  i have transset and xcommgr installed and enabled in my x config
[06:52] <bob2> that's because it's printing two messages over the top of each other
[06:52] <bob2> one says "segmentation fault", one says "building somethingy tree"
[06:52] <Dethread> ah
[06:52] <Dethread> missing a newline there :)
[06:52] <nickrud> k
[06:53] <bob2> yeah
[06:53] <Dethread> makes sense
[06:53] <bob2> crashing apt is kinda impressive
[06:53] <nickrud> caonex take a bow
[06:53] <bob2> can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood?
[06:53] <Dethread> I'd think it's pretty robust
[06:53] <chrishaum> Hi I have several questions
[06:53] <Dethread> bob2, it's on a remote machine to which he doesn't have access right now
[06:54] <bob2> ouch
[06:54] <chrishaum> I'm a newbie to Ubuntu
[06:54] <Dethread> chrishaum, just ask
[06:54] <chrishaum> Does Ubuntu only work on certain laptops?
[06:55] <bob2> no
[06:55] <bob2> it works on almost all
[06:55] <chrishaum> I have an Averatec...
[06:55] <chrishaum> It workedon my desktop, butnotthe laptop
[06:55] <Dethread> see, it doesn't exactly depend on the manufacturer of the laptop, but on the hardware it contains
[06:56] <chrishaum> this laptop is "designed for windows xp"
[06:56] <Dethread> most are...
[06:56] <Dethread> which model is it?
[06:56] <r0bby_> all computers are.
[06:56] <chrishaum> 5400 series
[06:56] <nedwasp> anyone know a good solution for a remote address book to access through an email client
[06:57] <chrishaum> amd opteron processor
[06:57] <Dethread> chrishaum, I don't see 5400 on averatec's website...
[06:57] <Dethread> just 5500 series
[06:57] <bob2> wtf
[06:57] <chrishaum> hmmm. just a sec
[06:57] <bob2> an opteron laptop?
[06:57] <bob2> are you sure you don't mean "athlon 64"?
[06:58] <Dethread> the 5500 has a Sempron
[06:58] <chrishaum> yes positive
[06:58] <imaek>  /usr/sbin/pppd: In file /etc/ppp/peers/dl: unrecognied option '/dev/modem' <== Does anybody know why it would not recognize /dev/modem (even though it exists)?
[06:59] <chrishaum> "Dublin 2800+"
[06:59] <Dethread> ah, I found it, http://www.averatec.com/archives/5400series.htm
[06:59] <Quest-Master> imaek, I'm betting it's a modprobe problem.
[06:59] <imaek> :|
[06:59] <imaek> what module?
[06:59] <Quest-Master> No idea. :D
[06:59] <Dethread> chrishaum, so...when you say "it doesn't work"...what do you mean by that?
[06:59] <Quest-Master> You'll have to find it. ;d
[07:00] <tiglionabbit> you're going to slap me for asking this, but what's a good sega emulator that'll run on ubuntu?
[07:00] <chrishaum> well....
[07:00] <chrishaum> i can't get the disk to boot
[07:00] <chrishaum> to run off of the cd
[07:00] <chrishaum> i checked the md5 checksum and it's ok
[07:00] <chrishaum> and i ran it on another computer
[07:01] <tiglionabbit> what happens when you try to boot from cd, chrishaum?
[07:01] <chrishaum> nothing.
[07:01] <chrishaum> it boots xp
[07:01] <QMario> What do these error messages mean: E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[07:01] <tiglionabbit> set it in your bios
[07:01] <QMario> E: Unable to lock the download directory
[07:01] <chrishaum> i have this bios order:
[07:01] <chrishaum> cd --> usb --> hd
[07:01] <tiglionabbit> hm
[07:02] <IIIEars_Ogging> Video Acceleration and XORG Xtras - http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-32015.html it was news to me.
[07:02] <QMario> I received them when I wanted re-install a different version of Samba.
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> qmario: that means you're trying to run two package managers at the same time, or you don't have privileges to run them
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> wait no
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> I'm sorry
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> that means stuff is fucked up
[07:02] <nickrud> QMario probably two problems, one, you have wierd sources, and two, you have a lock file from a cancelled apt session
[07:02] <ardob11> new to linux. I installed real player 10, but it doesn't open by clicking on it
[07:02] <Dethread> tiglionabbit, what do you mean by "sega emulator"? Genesis?
[07:02] <tiglionabbit> dethread: yes
[07:03] <tiglionabbit> must play rocket knight adventures
[07:03] <xero> hey guys, i just downloaded MPlayer-1.0pre7.tar.bz2 ... how do i install this?
[07:03] <QMario> What about the broken packages?
[07:03] <chrishaum> maybe someone could help mein a private chat?
[07:03] <tiglionabbit> xero: you can get mplayer from synaptic if you add the universe repository
[07:03] <nickrud> QMario if you have broken packages, I'll lay money you have non ubuntu sources.
[07:03] <nedwasp> chrishaum, is the cd rom internal?
[07:04] <crimsun> tiglionabbit: (and multiverse)
[07:04] <ardob11> is there a good media player with all the codecses available?
[07:04] <chrishaum> yes, internal
[07:04] <ardob11> including real player and wmv
[07:04] <tiglionabbit> qmario: best thing would probably be to add more ubuntu repositories and hope it works them out, or uninstall things you got from non-official repositories if that doesn't work
[07:04] <xero> tiglionabbit: ok, ill try that out, thx
[07:05] <imaek>  /usr/sbin/pppd: In file /etc/ppp/peers/dl: unrecognized option '/dev/modem' <== How can I figure out what module it needs (/dev/modem exists)
[07:05] <chrishaum> is this laptop supported?
[07:05] <QMario> I did everything you guys told me to do, but you are correct.
[07:05] <nedwasp> chrishaum, try go into the boot menu at startup with the ubuntu cd in the drive and and choose cd-rom and see what happends
[07:05] <xero> tiglionabbit: i cant find it in synaptic
[07:05] <chrishaum> i cant make it to the boot menu
[07:06] <chrishaum> i cant force boot from cd
[07:06] <chrishaum> or at least i dont know how on this particular laptop
[07:06] <tiglionabbit> xero: um, as crimsun said, you need the multiverse repositories too.  Pretty much uncomment all of the repositories in your sources.list
[07:06] <tiglionabbit> (all of the default repositories)
[07:06] <nedwasp> you can get into the bios right?  so you should be able to get into the boot menu.  what is the bios key?
[07:06] <nickrud> QMario if you'll post your sources.list somewhere, I'll try to walk you out of your predicament (I got a little time)
[07:06] <nedwasp> f2?
[07:07] <xero> tiglionabbit: k ill try that right now
[07:07] <chrishaum> i can get into bios
[07:07] <chrishaum> but i save and it just boots xp
[07:07] <xero> tiglionabbit: nevermind found it in synaptic
[07:07] <QMario> Okay nickrud!
[07:08] <tiglionabbit> good
[07:08] <QMario> Hold on....
[07:08] <nickrud> QMario no promises, just a litte time ...
[07:08] <chrishaum> on the desktop, there was a menu (F9) that force-booted from whatever
[07:08] <nedwasp> right, i get that.  but i had this old inspiron that wouldn't boot from the cd and i went into the boot menu which was another function key and had to choose cd-rom and then it "finally" took
[07:08] <chrishaum> butnot on the laptop
[07:08] <tiglionabbit> anyway, anyone know a good genesis emulator?  gens seems to be a WIP, and dgen isn't working for me
[07:09] <QMario> Is there a pastebot for this channel?
[07:09] <chrishaum> so the boot menu was separate from the bios
[07:09] <nedwasp> have you tried any of the other f's on the laptop.  there should be the bios one(which you already know about), and maybe a boot menu one and a system settings one, maybe
[07:09] <IIIEars_Ogging> pastebin.com
[07:09] <nickrud> QMario pastebin.com or pastebin.ca should work
[07:09] <chrishaum> ok...i have to get off to try
[07:09] <tiglionabbit> qmario: you can tell someone you're pasting in #flood too if you want
[07:09] <IIIEars_Ogging> ubuntupastebin.com or #flood
[07:09] <nedwasp> ok, good luck
[07:09] <chrishaum> thanks
[07:10] <nedwasp> anyone know a good way to remotely host an address book for thunderbird
[07:10] <IIIEars_Ogging> *ubuntu.pastebin.com
[07:10] <dasuberdavud> hey ive got a dell inspiron 1150 laptop with wireless card, running ubuntu hoarty, i cant get ndiswrapper to work it says it cant load the .ko file
[07:10] <QMario> http://pastebin.com/298191
[07:10] <dasuberdavud> someone please help
[07:11] <tiglionabbit> well, talk to you guys later, bubbye
[07:11] <ardob11> anybody has any idea why real player 10 wont' open, i installed it two times
[07:12] <IIIEars_Ogging> QMario - Backport error?
[07:12] <nickrud> QMario ok, first replace that with http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ExampleConffiles .
[07:12] <dasuberdavud> anyone know how to get ndiswrapper to work on hoarty ?
[07:12] <nedwasp> ardob11, i have the same prob, it just hangs on starup, you?
[07:12] <nickrud> the better organized version
[07:12] <ardob11> exactly
[07:13] <nickrud> in other words, backports are history
[07:13] <nedwasp> ardob11, i searched everywhere and couldn't find an answer.
[07:13] <nedwasp> maybe here
[07:13] <ardob11> i guess there is some other alternative with real codecs!?
[07:13] <nickrud> we'll deal with what's broken after you've replaced your sources.list, and done an aptitude update
[07:14] <Dethread> dasuberdavud, firstly, it's hoary, not hoarty :) secondly, have you followed this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto ?
[07:14] <nedwasp> ardob11, i don't think so, i install helix, which works but doesn't run the real codecs
[07:14] <nedwasp> what kind of computer you on?
[07:14] <nickrud> QMario you ok with that?
[07:14] <ardob11> ok thnx too bad
[07:15] <dasuberdavud> i have dell inspiron 1150
[07:15] <dasuberdavud> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[07:15] <dasuberdavud> thats the error im getting
[07:16] <dasuberdavud> i need help
[07:16] <QMario> Error: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[07:16] <dasuberdavud> asap please
[07:16] <nedwasp> did you check that wiki entry?
[07:16] <ardob11> me?
[07:16] <nedwasp> yeah ardob11
[07:16] <Dethread> dasuberdavud, try to insert the module with superuser privileges (sudo)
[07:16] <Dethread> dasuberdavud, AND read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[07:16] <nickrud> QMario that's a classic error, your sources.list is not good
[07:16] <dasuberdavud> im in as the user root
[07:16] <ardob11> athlon
[07:16] <QMario> Unable to find expected entry unvers/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[07:17] <ardob11> self-made :)
[07:17] <nedwasp> ardob11, ok, completely different, i just was thinking that it's a rare error cause nobody else seems to have this problem
[07:17] <nickrud> now that's one I haven't seen.
[07:17] <nedwasp> ardob11, selfmade? nice
[07:17] <dasuberdavud> when i try it with sudo it says the same thing
[07:17] <QMario> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/Release
[07:18] <nickrud> hm
[07:18] <ardob11> nothing special, but you tend to love your creation howerver it turns out
[07:18] <nickrud> QMario paste the sources.list you used for the last aptitude update
[07:18] <redjustice> Hi
[07:19] <nedwasp> of course, just like cooking a crappy meal.  do you know of a good way to remotely host an address book for access through an email client
[07:19] <Miks> mmm when streaming some radio station....if i set up certain cache size for th estreaming...for example 65 kbytes...then it buffers 64kbytes and reproduce...and what happens when it reaches the max cache size?....will i store lots of recording or the cache resets itself and start over when it gets to its max?
[07:19] <ardob11> nope
[07:19] <nedwasp> ok then
[07:19] <redjustice> how to I get permission to extract to a folder? is it sudo su to become superuser?
[07:19] <QMario> Hold on...
[07:19] <Dethread> Miks, you mean a buffer? or a cache?
[07:20] <nickrud> QMario typo, unvers is not a section, your sources are still not right
[07:20] <Miks> cache
[07:20] <Dethread> redjustice, just sudo is sufficient
[07:20] <QMario> http://pastebin.com/298195
[07:21] <dasuberdavud> anyone know how to make broadcom wireless card work with ndiswraper?
[07:21] <ardob11> nedwasp, why don't you try firebird help or something @ mozilla
[07:21] <nedwasp> good call, but i can't seem to find the right channel
[07:21] <nedwasp> is there a thunderbird channel you know of?
[07:22] <nickrud> QMario I can't see how you would have that error with those sources, even though they're not the ones I recommended
[07:22] <chrishaum> hi im back
[07:22] <nedwasp> ardob11, i found it
[07:22] <hanseatic> hi
[07:22] <chrishaum> i tested with the xp boot disk
[07:22] <QMario> Here are my new sources: http://pastebin.com/298196
[07:22] <redjustice> Is there some sort of installer out there to install tar program for u?
[07:22] <Dethread> dasuberdavud, check this out : http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-22049.html
[07:22] <ardob11> any mozilla should work
[07:23] <chrishaum> a line blinkedfor abit, then it said "press any key toboot from cd"
[07:23] <hanseatic> I've messed up my /etc/environment. anyone an idea how to fix it, or could anyone post his'?
[07:23] <chrishaum> but the same prompt never came up with the ubuntucd
[07:23] <popey> hannes_: LANGUAGE="en_GB:en_GB:en_US:en"
[07:23] <Miks> how can i look for the directories and all the files that belong to some installed program?
[07:23] <popey> oops, wrong person, sorry hannes_
[07:24] <popey> hanseatic: LANGUAGE="en_GB:en_GB:en_US:en"
[07:24] <popey> hanseatic: LANG=en_GB
[07:24] <nickrud> QMario well, they're not mine, but they are free :0
[07:24] <Dethread> Miks, you can't really...you can search for its name, or look at what happens on "make installl" (if you installed from src)
[07:24] <nickrud> QMario and they will show up what is not native to ubuntu
[07:24] <phillipc> I set up a dhcp server on my ubuntu machine. Clients connect to it and get a dhcp address. However, those clients can't connect the network, it's "unreachable." Why? Clients can't ping the dhcp server
[07:25] <popey> phillipc: have you set the default gateway up in the dhcpd config?
[07:26] <popey> phillipc: same subnet on all machines?
[07:26] <nickrud> QMario now, if you start synaptic, do an update, under obsolete and local packages, there will be some stuff
[07:26] <j2dope> hi i have  usb wifi card thing. can this work on ubuntu? if so how?
[07:26] <nickrud> *after the update, there will be
[07:26] <nedwasp> chrishaum, what happened?  i got disconnected
[07:26] <popey> j2dope: depends which one
[07:26] <nickrud> mark all that for deletion.
[07:26] <j2dope> tis just a cheap gigway one
[07:26] <hanseatic> poppey thnx
[07:26] <j2dope> 802.11g
[07:27] <popey> j2dope: do you know what the chipset is?
[07:27] <chrishaum> ok
[07:27] <popey> j2dope: does "usbview" give useful information about the device
[07:27] <popey> j2dope: or lsusb?
[07:27] <Miks> well...i just have this doubt..if im streaming radio...will i get to store lots of recording...or is that some kind of memory space that resets itself and start again when filled?
[07:27] <nickrud> synaptic is probably smart enough to straighten it out.
[07:27] <chrishaum> i tried an xp boot disk and it said press any key to boot from cd
[07:27] <chrishaum> i then tried ubuntu cd, and it didn't say"tpress any key..." it just booted xp
[07:27] <Dethread> Miks, yeah, that's what a cache does
[07:28] <LiberalTugboat> hey hey hey
[07:28] <phillipc> popey: same subnet. How do I configure a default gateway?
[07:28] <Dethread> Miks, it'll replace contents once it's full
[07:28] <popey> chrishaum: that's a "feature" of the xp cd
[07:28] <nedwasp> am xp  boot floppy?
[07:28] <Miks> thanks Dethread
[07:28] <j2dope> popey: lsusb doesn't say what chipset
[07:28] <j2dope> and the box doesn't give away much info either.
[07:28] <popey> j2dope: but does it tell you anything at all about the device?
[07:28] <chrishaum> an xp boot cd
[07:29] <QMario> Where are the obsolete and local packages? I can not find them.
[07:29] <j2dope> Bus 004 Device 003: ID 1058:0402 Western Digital Technologies, Inc.
[07:29] <j2dope> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0ace:1211
[07:29] <j2dope> the western digital is my external hdd
[07:29] <popey> chrishaum: yes, xp boot cds ask you to press a key to boot from cd so that if you leave it in the drive when you reboot it doesn't automatically boot from cd if you're away when it powers up
[07:29] <DonL> Help!!!
[07:29] <nickrud> QMario if you have synaptic open, it's in the left pane
[07:29] <popey> DonL: we're not mind readers, what's the problem?
[07:29] <chrishaum> ahhh....
[07:30] <DonL> I just screwed up my desktop playing a game...
[07:30] <Dethread> restart X
[07:30] <FLeiXiuS> three finger salute it.
[07:30] <nedwasp> chrishaum, is there a floppy drive?
[07:30] <DonL> and I now have what used to be the top menu bar now at the left side in greatly magnified proportions, and I can't get rid of it
[07:31] <Dethread> DonL, grab it and move it back to the top
[07:31] <chrishaum> no floppy
[07:31] <popey> j2dope:  is it one of these ? http://www.edimax.com.tw/html/english/products/EW-7317Ug.htm
[07:31] <DonL> I've restarted x, and the whole computer, and reinstalled gnome, and it's still there
[07:31] <j2dope> checking popey thanks
[07:31] <phillipc> popey: how do I set up a default gateway?
[07:31] <DonL> I can't grab it because there's no place to get a grip on it
[07:31] <nedwasp> chrishaum, is there an os on there now?
[07:31] <popey> phillipc:   option routers 192.168.129.10;   in your dhcpd.conf
[07:32] <nalioth> DonL: right click and 'remove' the whole thing
[07:32] <KarlosII> anyone running gallery using ubuntu?
[07:32] <Dethread> DonL, if you can't find space to grab it, remove entries until there is enough space
[07:32] <popey> KarlosII: I run gallery on debian
[07:32] <DonL> nalioth, when I right, left, or anything click anywhere, it picks the nearest app
[07:32] <IIIEars> nalioth - if it has " applications" "Places" "System"?
[07:32] <popey> phillipc: on the dhcp server
[07:32] <chrishaum> windows xp
[07:32] <phillipc> popey: I added that option, doesn't seem to make a different
[07:33] <DonL> Dethread,  ok. I'll try that
[07:33] <phillipc> popey: still network unreachable on the clients
[07:33] <popey> phillipc: the clients can't even ping the dhcp server..?
[07:33] <nedwasp> chrishaum, do you wanna dual-boot or overwrite the whole thing with ubuntu?
[07:34] <QMario> How do I do an update in Synaptic Package Manager? Can't you only do that in the terminal?
[07:34] <chrishaum> neither
[07:34] <DonL> Yay! I deleted the panel. Now how do I re-get my top one again?
[07:34] <Dethread> QMario, there is a "Reload" button
[07:34] <chrishaum> i just wnat to try the run-from-cd
[07:34] <KarlosII> popey, well I trying to set it up on ubuntu
[07:34] <popey> chrishaum: you saying ubuntu doesn't boot from cd?
[07:35] <chrishaum> correct
[07:35] <popey> chrishaum: ooer
[07:35] <Dethread> popey, his laptop doesn't like the CD
[07:35] <popey> chrishaum: is this a cd you burned yourself from the ISO?
[07:35] <chrishaum> yes
[07:35] <chrishaum> ichecked the md5
[07:35] <popey> chrishaum: boot to windows and insert the ubuntu cd, what do you see?
[07:35] <IIIEars> QMario - The update tool in System >> Administration >> Ubuntu Update Manager?
[07:35] <chrishaum> and it works on a desktop
[07:35] <popey> chrishaum: you didn't do something silly like put the ISO *on* the cd?
[07:35] <chrishaum> i see the menu that says to install various items
[07:36] <chrishaum> no....
[07:36] <popey> oh ok
[07:36] <popey> :)
[07:36] <fossa> hi
[07:36] <chrishaum> i burnt the iso *to* the cd w/alcohol 120
[07:36] <popey> chrishaum: I have a pc here which is picky about what CDs it will boot from
[07:36] <j2dope> popey: that wasn't my exact one. mine is a Gigaway brand (i can't find any pics online of it)... but they do look similar
[07:36] <phillipc> popey: can't ping the dhcp server. It gets an ip from the server and then can't ping it =)
[07:36] <QMario> Nickud, I still can't find a section that says "Obsolete and Old Packages". I am looking in the left pane too.
[07:36] <phillipc> popey: ping fails immediately with connect: Network is unreachable
[07:37] <popey> phillipc: ifconfig on the client machines shows they have an IP?
[07:37] <fossa> since ubuntu won't write to ntfs partitions, and winxp won't recognize linux partitions, i made a fat32 partition for transferring files. but windowsxp will only recognize ntfs. can i make it recognize the fat32? (don't flame pls)
[07:37] <phillipc> popey: yep
[07:37] <nickrud> QMario
[07:37] <phillipc> popey: when I ifup the interface, I get "SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable"
[07:37] <popey> fossa: no, xp DOES read fat32
[07:37] <IIIEars> Chrihaum - nice tool - gnomebaker is just as straightforward tho k3b is more powerful in linux
[07:37] <popey> fossa: did you create the fat32 with windows or linux?
[07:37] <xero> anyone know how to install themes?
[07:37] <fossa> linux. windows didn't give the option of formatting fat32.
[07:37] <popey> phillipc: lights on hub/switch?
[07:37] <phillipc> popey: both good
[07:37] <popey> fossa: under windows you can use fdisk to format as fat32
[07:38] <QMario> Sorry for spelling your name incorrectly. :(
[07:38] <popey> fossa: I had the same issue with an external USB hdd, use windows to make the fat32 part
[07:38] <fossa> fdisk
[07:38] <fossa> ok
[07:38] <IIIEars> fossa - np - grab an old live CD - knoppix maybe and got to work with fdisk or better qtparted
[07:38] <popey> phillipc: have you got the mii-tool ?
[07:38] <Imical> was wondering what is the best way to install a .deb file?
[07:38] <chrishaum> popey:
[07:38] <popey> Imical: dpkg -i <packagename>
[07:38] <popey> chrishaum:
[07:38] <nedwasp> dpkg -i <
[07:38] <nickrud> QMario np
[07:38] <fossa> i used gparted in my ubuntu to create the fat32
[07:38] <chrishaum> so you think it is the comp
[07:39] <phillipc> popey: I don't think so
[07:39] <chrishaum> and not ubuntu being picky
[07:39] <nedwasp> popey, you're quick
[07:39] <QMario> Why did you just say my name, nickrud?
[07:39] <popey> chrishaum: some are picky like that, yeah
[07:39] <popey> nedwasp: I've just had coffee :D
[07:39] <nickrud> most people here are anonymous, anyway :)
[07:39] <nedwasp> haha
[07:39] <IIIEars> fossa - qtparted is really nice.
[07:39] <fossa> yeah it worked great! but winxp still won't mount the fat32 part.
[07:39] <chrishaum> bummer, eh?
[07:39] <popey> phillipc: it could be the full/duplex issue, get the mii-tool package
[07:39] <popey> fossa: thats odd
[07:40] <nickrud> QMario it's just I'm trying to figure out a way to find out just where you are, so I can help you get to where you want to be
[07:40] <popey> fossa: xp pro or xp home?
[07:40] <fossa> pro
[07:40] <IIIEars> fossa - Ach. - that isn't very nice.
[07:40] <syntaxman> I just did an upgrade of my Hoary install, including a new kernel... Now I reboot and have no /dev/cdrom* devices.
[07:40] <syntaxman> Is this a udev thing?
[07:40] <j2dope> brb
[07:40] <popey> fossa: and you removed the partition and rebooted ? :D
[07:40] <popey> fossa: then recreated?
[07:40] <syntaxman> do I need to manually create these cdrom devices?
[07:40] <nickrud> QMario I like having a baseline, and the wiki exampleconffiles is a good starting point.
[07:41] <chrishaum> well then another question
[07:41] <popey> heh
[07:41] <popey> fire away
[07:41] <Dethread> coffee sounds tasty....I should get some
[07:41] <IIIEars> << cough lights another
[07:41] <chrishaum> how do i get my external (thumb-drive type) netgear wireless lan to work in ubuntu?
[07:41] <fossa> windows would only create the partition if it was in ntfs, so i created the partition in fat32 with gparted in linux. then rebooted into windows, and windows won't mount it now that it is there.
[07:41] <Imical> 'dpkg -i opera_8.0-20050415.6-shared-qt_en_sarge_i386.deb     dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege' is that normal?
[07:41] <phillipc> popey: actually I tried `route` on a client, and the destination is "192.168.0.0" and the gateway is "*". Does that sound right?
[07:41] <nickrud> pops a top
[07:41] <popey> chrishaum: it might need madwifi driver
[07:42] <Dethread> Imical, yes, you need superuser privileges to install packages
[07:42] <Dethread> Imical, use sudo
[07:42] <phillipc> popey: the machine running dhcp giving out addresses is 192.168.0.52
[07:42] <popey> phillipc: what IP does each machine have?
[07:42] <chrishaum> ok??
[07:42] <phillipc> popey: the client I'm testing has 192.168.0.2
[07:42] <nalioth> how y'all doin tonight?
[07:42] <Dethread> not good
[07:42] <Imical> Dethread:  sorry but new to Ubuntu how do I get superuser privileges?
[07:42] <chrishaum> how cani get madwifidriver?
[07:42] <IIIEars> nalioth - you rock!
[07:42] <popey> chrishaum: sorry to say.. google...
[07:43] <nalioth> IIIEars: what'd i do?
[07:43] <Dethread> Imical, sudo dpkg -i opera_8.0-20050415.6-shared-qt_en_sarge_i386.deb
[07:43] <nalioth> IIIEars: did my autoanswer give someone a surprise?
[07:43] <popey> chrishaum: there's quite a bit of docus out there if you google for "linux" and your model of card
[07:43] <IIIEars> lol - erm do-od that's california speak. - grin
[07:43] <chrishaum> docus????
[07:43] <popey> chrishaum: some cards don't have a native linux driver, so some use a wrapper
[07:44] <chrishaum> ok...
[07:44] <popey> chrishaum: so you actually use the windows driver, but it depends on the chipset in the card, and without knowing the card...?
[07:44] <Imical> Dethread: got sudo dpkg -i opera_8.0-20050415.6-shared-qt_en_sarge_i386.deb
[07:44] <DonL> Thanks a bunch, folks. I don't really know what I'd do without you. I seem to be back to normal again.
[07:44] <chrishaum> i am totally confused
[07:44] <Imical> Dethread: err ones ec wrong paste
[07:44] <IIIEars> chrishaum - sounds bad works really well.
[07:44] <popey> DonL: \o/
[07:44] <nedwasp> popey, you know a good way to remotely host an address book for ldap access without setting up my own ldap servre/
[07:44] <nedwasp> server?
[07:44] <popey> chrishaum: give me the model number of the card
[07:44] <DonL> Sleep time. Night
[07:44] <Dethread> Imical, what?
[07:44] <chrishaum> ok
[07:44] <chrishaum> hold a sec its across house
[07:44] <popey> nedwasp: you could use apache with DAV?
[07:45] <Imical> Dethread:  did what you said and got back 'cannot access archive: no such file or directory' did I type something wrong?
[07:45] <fossa> #windows is dead silent.
[07:45] <nedwasp> popey, interesting
[07:45] <popey> (that was a question, I'm not sure, I know a mate uses it (DAV) for calendar)
[07:45] <Dethread> Imical, are you in the directory where that deb package is located at?
[07:45] <j2dope> popey: ... i just rebooted, but ubuntu didn't pick up any new software (my usb wifi card).. any suggestions?
[07:45] <QMario> What will happen to my computer if I uninstall the ubunut-desktop package.
[07:45] <Dethread> Imical, otherwise you have to cd there or supply the full path
[07:45] <QMario> ?
[07:45] <nickrud> QMario nothing
[07:46] <IIIEars> fossa - the virus writers must be on holiday nothing to talk about in #windows
[07:46] <Imical> Dethread: oh no, sorry one sec
[07:46] <fossa> even the winxp help files say to create the part then format as fat32 but i SWEAR fat32 is not an option in the dropdown box.
[07:46] <popey> IIIEars: they're probably too busy drooling over tabbed browsing support in IE..
[07:46] <syntaxman> IIIEars: didn't you hear? windows is secure!! <smirk>
[07:46] <nalioth> QMario: it will be diffecult to upgrade to breezy
[07:46] <popey> fossa: what size partition?
[07:46] <mebaran151> fossa, what do you need fat32 for
[07:46] <Dethread> nothing wrong with drooling over tabbed browsing... :)
[07:46] <nickrud> QMario except, if you get your broken packages fixed, having ubuntu-desktop will make upgrading to breezy a breeze :)
[07:47] <mebaran151> maybe vfat perhaps
[07:47] <mebaran151> or one of those
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[07:47] <popey> mebaran151: sharing files between win and lin, he's creating the part in win
[07:47] <fossa> mebaran: to xfer files from linux to windows
[07:47] <popey> golly, is that the time
[07:47] <nedwasp> popey, i have no idea to be honest
[07:47] <popey> well, get dressed first eh?
[07:47] <QMario> Is breezy out yet? At least the stable release of it?
[07:47] <chrishaum> ok i'm back
[07:47] <popey> ditto
[07:47] <Davey> QMario: no
[07:47] <chrishaum> netgear
[07:47] <nalioth> fossa: vfat or fat (if using window2k or xp, it only does fat32)
[07:47] <chrishaum> wg111
[07:48] <imaek> Anyone here know about Winmodems?
[07:48] <nalioth> QMario: no. not for a few months
[07:48] <chrishaum> 54 Mbps wireless USB 2.0
[07:48] <Imical>  Package libqt3c102-mt is not installed. dpkg: error processing opera (--install):  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured   Errors were encountered while processing: opera
[07:48] <Dethread> Imical, if installing manually, you also have to install dependencies manually
[07:48] <maruko`> hey after booting into my newly compiled 2.6.11 kernel.. my keyboard wont work. it's a ps2 keyboard
[07:49] <Dethread> Imical, considered using firefox as a browser, instead of opera?
[07:49] <Imical>  Dethread: ended up with 'Package libqt3c102-mt is not installed. dpkg: error processing opera (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: opera'
[07:49] <nickrud> I know enough about winmodems that when I will always have a serial modem
[07:49] <Dethread> yeah, I saw that
[07:49] <fossa> AH. fat32 volumes are limited in size.
[07:49] <popey> chrishaum: looks like that card may be supported by the prism54.org site...
[07:49] <imaek> I have a Internal capable v.92 Fax modem (winmodem), and I've installed the suggested driver (although it was an RPM, I alien'ed it) and it created a /dev/modem but when I pon (I've already pppconfig'd), it says unrecognized option: /dev/modem
[07:49] <nalioth> fossa: yes a 4gb limit, i believe
[07:49] <popey> fossa: yes, hence me asking what size part :)
[07:49] <popey> nah, I have a 6GB one here
[07:49] <syntaxman> maruko`: check the connectors (obvious, but check 'em before you sink a lot of time)
[07:49] <chrishaum> ok...
[07:49] <fossa> it lets me do a 10
[07:50] <fossa> i'd love to do a 40GB
[07:50] <chrishaum> so what do i do...
[07:50] <popey> fossa: create 4 10s?
[07:50] <nalioth> popey: what version of windoze did that? or was it made under linux?
[07:50] <fossa> In theory, FAT32 volumes can be about 8 terabytes; however, the maximum FAT32 volume size that Windows XP Professional can format is 32 GB.
[07:50] <popey> chrishaum: click link, read text, digest
[07:50] <popey> nalioth: win2k iirc
[07:50] <maruko`> syntaxman : the cables is not problem. i'm using the same keyboard now
[07:50] <IIIEars> fossa - LBA large block addressing enabled?
[07:50] <fossa> bam!
[07:50] <chrishaum> digesting....
[07:50] <popey> fossa: best not to make monster ones, you lose lots of space in slack
[07:50] <fossa> yes IIIEars
[07:50] <nalioth> popey: thats funny, a friend of mine runnin xp tried, but couldnt make over 4gb
[07:51] <nickrud> imaek I don't know much about winmodems, but if it's working I would think that minicom would be a good test
[07:51] <IIIEars> ufossa - hm
[07:51] <fossa> i have amazingly huge tarballs of data to xfer
[07:51] <nalioth> popey: it pissed him off, cuz he couldnt download a whole dvd image
[07:51] <popey> fossa: to make a part that big it uses massive cluster sizes.., you're better off with 4x10GB parts
[07:51] <popey> heh
[07:51] <Dethread> that just sounds wrong... "I have amazingly huge tarballs"
[07:51] <imaek> nickrud: Minicom?  It is working; it works in windows.
[07:51] <popey> Dethread: "nice tarballs, did you make them yourself?"
[07:51] <Dethread> hehe
[07:52] <Dethread> they're fossa's :)
[07:52] <chrishaum> ok that's a wireless CARD
[07:52] <paringas> my lcd dies in the arse when x starts... pretty sure the default resolution etc. is fine. plus i can't restart anything with alt-ctrl-backspace or switch to any consoles. could anyone help, please
[07:52] <nickrud> imaek that does not mean that it works in linux. I've just stuck my head up to far, probably.
[07:52] <chrishaum> i have a usb plug-in thing
[07:52] <nedwasp> i can't get transparency working and i've got transet, xcompmgr installed and enbaled.  anyone?  popey?
[07:52] <popey> heh
[07:52] <popey> i know nothing
[07:52] <nickrud> minicom is a good test of a modem connection,tho
[07:52] <chrishaum> wg111 not wg511
[07:52] <imaek> nickrud:  It can't work?  I was under the impression that all modems will work with the right patch.
[07:52] <nalioth> imaek: not true
[07:52] <popey> sorry chrishaum
[07:53] <imaek> :|
[07:53] <nickrud> imaek no. Not all winmodems have linux drivers
[07:53] <popey> imaek: some modems are winmodems.. evil things
[07:53] <goo> Hello. I just bought a Dell Inspiron 6000 for my wife, and since she hates windows I installed Ubuntu on it as well. And it does of course work like a charm. Only suspend to RAM (echo -n mem > /sys/power/something) does suspend the machine, only it will not come back up afterwards.. what am I doing wrong?
[07:53] <imaek> This one does
[07:53] <nalioth> imaek: some windmodems have been 'cracked' ie the command sequence is known, and linux can run them
[07:53] <popey> imaek: like GDI printers.. bleh bleh bleh
[07:53] <fossa> hey it lets me choose the allocation unit size. go t a recomendation?
[07:53] <nalioth> imaek: check the linux hardware compatibility listing
[07:53] <nalioth> goo: nothing
[07:53] <popey> fossa: depends what kinds of files you're going to put on the disk
[07:53] <nalioth> goo: we all are in "no sleep limbo"
[07:53] <chrishaum> i.e. no idea?
[07:54] <popey> fossa: lots of small files, small cluster, small number of big files, big cluster
[07:54] <nalioth> goo: my iBook does the same thing. goes to sleep and hangs on 'waking'
[07:54] <fossa> popey: lots of small files
[07:54] <nickrud> imaek like I said, I probably put my neck out too far, I have an isa serial modem I've used for 5 years
[07:54] <goo> nalioth: ah, ok.. stupid ACPI-based laptops and stupid Linux ACPI "support".
[07:54] <nedwasp> goo, try disabling acpi
[07:54] <fossa> small = roughly 2 MB
[07:54] <imaek> nalioth: Okay.
[07:54] <popey> goo: my wifes dell has a bios setting to say allow it to be suspend-woken
[07:54] <goo> APM > *
[07:54] <nalioth> goo: well, it pisses me off, cause yellowdog linux has 0 problems on ibooks sleeping AND waking up
[07:55] <fossa> choices go from 521 to 64Kb
[07:55] <chrishaum> thx for the help anyhow
[07:55] <popey> sorry chrishaum
[07:55] <goo> popey: Aha! I haven't gotten around to the BIOS-poking yet, nice hint.
[07:55] <popey> chrishaum: seen http://nixdoc.net/files/forum/about36648.html ?
[07:55] <QMario> Bye everyone and thank you for all you help. :-D :) :) :)
[07:55] <popey> chrishaum: mentions "ndiswrapper" which I *think* is the wrapper around windows drivers for linux
[07:56] <nalioth> goo: so where do iBooks fit in?
[07:56] <popey> chrishaum: http://www.linux-wlan.org/ also
[07:56] <fossa> thanks for the help! and also thanks who-ever told me to turn off my onboard sound in the bios. that did the trick.
[07:56] <popey> goo: alienware for the men, Macs for the girls
[07:56] <goo> popey: what Dell-top does your wife have?
[07:57] <popey> goo, an old celeron based "thing"
[07:57] <LiberalTugboat> any check out the new version of Point2Play yet?
[07:57] <nalioth> popey: say what?
[07:57] <popey> dimension
[07:57] <imaek> nalioth: The hardware list for modems is far from complete.
[07:57] <goo> popey: ah, ok - older machines always works better, imho :(
[07:57] <popey> nalioth: did I say something?
[07:57] <nalioth> imaek: yes hardware modems are desirable
[07:57] <popey> goo yeah
[07:57] <chrishaum> yah i give up
[07:57] <chrishaum> i just don't care that much
[07:57] <popey> heh
[07:57] <popey> give up on wireless or linux?
[07:58] <chrishaum> linux is all good
[07:58] <goo> But while the Dell is in suspend it has a slowly blinking powerLED, just like the Mac's ;)
[07:58] <chrishaum> just wireless
[07:58] <nickrud> desireable, he says :)
[07:58] <Eighth> goo: i don't suppose you know an arkadien, do you?
[07:58] <chrishaum> i love open source et all
[07:59] <goo> Eighth: I have no idea even what an arkadien _is_, man
[07:59] <Eighth> goo: k.. i know someone that goes by "goo" and thought you might be him
[07:59] <nalioth> nickrud: why put filthy winduhs inspired laziness off on a linux kernel?
[08:00] <nickrud> imaek I would try googling your chipset and debian, there are probably maillist threads that might apply
[08:00] <imaek> How can I get the chipset?
[08:00] <nickrud> nalioth I bought a zoom for obvious reasons
[08:00] <goo> Eighth: ah, ok. I just go by goo because the nick 'oo' was taken.
[08:00] <Eighth> i see :)
[08:00] <Eighth> he actually goes by goopile
[08:01] <nickrud> imaek you'll probably need to start by looking up the manufacturer of your modem, and go from there
[08:01] <imaek> erm
[08:01] <nalioth> nickrud: is that those cool orange ones?
[08:01] <imaek> nickrud the only place I've found any information on it at all is on the dell site, which says ""Internal capable v.92 Fax modem"
[08:01] <nickrud> dell
[08:01] <imaek> OKay
[08:02] <nickrud> nalioth no, just an obscenely expensive modem at the time, but it was a serial
[08:03] <LiberalTugboat> the new point to play is really nice
[08:03] <nickrud> imaek I'm not sure how to track down what your modem chipset is, I've never had the need.
[08:03] <ukato> could i bother anyone with a question?
[08:04] <goo> " I tried suspend to RAM. When the system wakes up, it seems that it can't find the hard drive !" - aha, that's what happens... damn SATA.
[08:04] <nalioth> nickrud: ok
[08:04] <popey> imaek: under windows if you ahve the drivers installed, you could open hyperterminal and fire AT commands at it to find out what it is.. there's some standard ones it *should* respond to giving manufacturer, chipset, capabilities etc..
[08:04] <popey> oooo nickrud is proper-old
[08:05] <nickrud> hey, I had a hayes :)
[08:05] <imaek> popey: I found a different computer with the same modem that has a tutorial thing.
[08:05] <imaek> it might work.
[08:05] <popey> acoustic coupler?
[08:05] <imaek> It's worth a try.
[08:05] <nickrud> lol
[08:05] <nickrud> no
[08:05] <zenrox> 56k external serial
[08:05] <zenrox> 3com
[08:05] <TokenBad> can someone help me mount a drive in ubuntu?
[08:05] <zenrox> best modem i owned
[08:05] <LiberalTugboat> Point2Play 2.0 works great on hoary... it was even able to detect all my hardware
[08:06] <nickrud> but I could read what came in as it came in :)
[08:06] <popey> hehe
[08:07] <imaek> I spent all of last night trying to get this modem working, and since 8PM tonight (it's 11pm now)
[08:07] <TokenBad> please anyone?
[08:07] <nickrud> TokenBad ask for what you need
[08:07] <popey> TokenBad: the command is "mount", what kind of disk do you want to mount?
[08:07] <imaek> TokenBad: mount --help
[08:07] <TokenBad> its fat32 I think
[08:07] <TokenBad> and I did the mount --help
[08:07] <TokenBad> but didn't make since to me
[08:07] <popey> TokenBad: is it a usbkey, internal disk.. what?
[08:08] <TokenBad> internal
[08:08] <popey> IDE?
[08:08] <TokenBad> yes
[08:08] <popey> which port is it plugged into?
[08:08] <popey> primary master, primary slave, secondary master or secondary slave?
[08:08] <TokenBad> ok its secondary slave I think..
[08:08] <popey> and how many other disks do you have in there?
[08:08] <TokenBad> just my main hard drive
[08:09] <popey> ok, so it will likely be known as /dev/hdb
[08:09] <TokenBad> and my dvd-rw
[08:09] <popey> what do you want to mount, a partition on a hard disk?
[08:09] <ukato> is the default run level for a text based login 3?
[08:09] <popey> ukato: 2 iirc
[08:09] <nickrud> ukato there is no default text login
[08:09] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is amazing just completely changed desktop managers in a few mouse clicks.
[08:10] <ukato> oh, ok
[08:10] <TokenBad> a hard disk
[08:10] <ukato> would it be a lot of work to set one up
[08:10] <nickrud> ukato after you get the graphical login screen, you can press ctl-alt-f1 and get a text console
[08:10] <ukato> ok
[08:11] <nickrud> ukato why do you need one?
[08:11] <TokenBad> popey its a hard disk
[08:11] <ukato> oh, no good reason
[08:11] <popey> TokenBad: use "sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda" to see a list of partitions on a disk
[08:11] <popey> TokenBad: /dev/hda is first disk, then hdb, hdc, hdd
[08:11] <nickrud> ukato that's actually a good reason :)
[08:11] <ukato> i'm curious and testing different things i'm reading about
[08:11] <TokenBad> it only has 1 partition
[08:11] <ukato> it's just for educational purposes =D
[08:12] <nalioth> IIIEars: how did you do that?
[08:12] <TokenBad> I have a 6 gig drive for my os..and a 80 gig drive for my data
[08:12] <ukato> plus it looks cool to boot into a console
[08:12] <popey> TokenBad: in which case you can make a directory in your home "mkdir ~/somedir" then mout the disk with "mount /dev/hda1 ./somedir" or something like that
[08:12] <Cristobal> hi
[08:12] <Cristobal> anyone found a way to run office 2003 on linux
[08:12] <nickrud> ukato then, sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm
[08:12] <ukato> nickrud, so there's not a way to do it easily?
[08:12] <popey> Good morning/evening/night Cristobal
[08:12] <ukato> ok
[08:13] <TokenBad> but how can I see what drives it detects so can mount right drive?
[08:13] <nickrud> that wil stop going directly to X
[08:13] <popey> Cristobal: have you tried crossover-office?
[08:13] <IIIEars> ukato - peice 'a cake - bring up synaptic and select search pick the (important) ubuntu-version-desktop you like.
[08:13] <Cristobal> yes i have but they only support office xp
[08:13] <popey> TokenBad: I already told you that!  "fdisk -l /dev/hda"
[08:13] <IIIEars> ukato search "Desktop"
[08:13] <nickrud> to get gnome from the console, as yourself, do echo "exec gnome-session" > .xsession
[08:13] <TokenBad> I thought that only showed partitions on my main drive
[08:14] <nickrud> to get gnome from the console, as yourself, do echo "exec gnome-session" > ~/.xsession
[08:14] <nickrud> correction
[08:14] <Twitch> I was wondering if someone could lend me a hand setting up my video card
[08:14] <popey> TokenBad: you can use that for any drive.. hence me saying "hda, hdb, hdc hdd"
[08:14] <popey> Twitch: what card make and model?
[08:14] <nickrud> then, from the console, you can do startx and get to gnome at need
[08:14] <xero> man i gotta get Cedega
[08:14] <popey> Cristobal: well there's your answer then
[08:14] <Twitch> popey: I'm going from my onboard to a voodoo 2
[08:14] <ukato> IIIears, i searched
[08:14] <TokenBad> when did that command you said..it gives me can't open hda
[08:14] <popey> Twitch: did ubuntu detect it okay?
[08:15] <IIIEars> ukato - erm - i might of asked... - it is a large download for KDE 110 megabytes
[08:15] <Twitch> popey: lspci already lists it as being there but when i connect the monitor to it nothing shows
[08:15] <nalioth> IIIEars: i'm a dummy at some things, how do you switch DMs w/o loggin out?
[08:15] <popey> TokenBad: "sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda" that?
[08:15] <nalioth> TokenBad: are you root?
[08:15] <LiberalTugboat> xero, i just installed the new version of point2play...
[08:15] <IIIEars> nalioth - i always log out. - there must be an easier way.
[08:16] <xero> liberaltugboat: does that support Counterstrike: source?
[08:16] <LiberalTugboat> works perfect and is much improved
[08:16] <nickrud> IIIEars nalioth you can always use new login under system tools, it'll giv you a new x session
[08:16] <LiberalTugboat> well cedega does
[08:16] <popey> cedega is a neat bit of kit
[08:16] <Twitch> popey: any ideas?
[08:16] <LiberalTugboat> Point2Play is the graphical front end to cedega
[08:16] <TokenBad> hey found my disk
[08:16] <TokenBad> its hdd1
[08:16] <nalioth> IIIEars: you were the one that mentioned a 'few mouse clicks'
[08:16] <TokenBad> so how mount it?
[08:16] <xero> is it free?
[08:17] <popey> aarghhh!
[08:17] <popey> TokenBad: read what i said
[08:17] <IIIEars> nickrud thanks - KDE is an eyeopener. - some ways better and brighter. gnome seems more refined.
[08:17] <LiberalTugboat> P2P alows you to manage all your games profiles and even lets you have multiple versions of cedega installed
[08:17] <LiberalTugboat> well neither p2p or cedega are free
[08:17] <xero> do you have a link to it?
[08:17] <nalioth> nickrud: i only have "log out" under system tools
[08:17] <LiberalTugboat> www.transgaming.com
[08:17] <xero> oh, heh, the same page
[08:17] <cajun> how do i use alien to install the JRE?
[08:17] <LiberalTugboat> yeah
[08:18] <xero> thanks man
[08:18] <nickrud> nalioth applications->system tools?
[08:18] <LiberalTugboat> i pay my 5 bucks a month
[08:18] <LiberalTugboat> its worth it
[08:18] <popey> cajun: http://ubuntuguide.org/ tells you how to install JRE
[08:18] <xero> can i pay with paypal?
[08:18] <LiberalTugboat> get to voted on what games they work on
[08:18] <nickrud> IIIEars I use kde now and then, just so I know why I don't ;)
[08:18] <LiberalTugboat> hmm... I havent tryied but I think you can
[08:18] <nalioth> nickrud: ah, THOSE system tools
[08:18] <IIIEars> Is Ubuntu really free? (beginning to feel guilty.)
[08:18] <nalioth> IIIEars: you can pay me
[08:19] <Twitch> popey: should i just change the drivers from the onboard to the voodoo2 card?
[08:19] <popey> IIIEars: yes! \o/ \o/
[08:19] <LiberalTugboat> Ubuntu is freeer then free
[08:19] <TokenBad> thanks so much popey
[08:19] <xero> liberaltugboat what should i get, cedega or p2p?
[08:19] <popey> no probs TokenBad
[08:19] <LiberalTugboat> well p2p is just a front end to cedega
[08:19] <popey> Xenguy: p2p requires cedega doesn't it?
[08:19] <xero> oh i see
[08:20] <nickrud> nalioth why, you expected me to confuse gnome-system-tools ;P
[08:20] <xero> it supports steam and counter strike, thats all i need to know
[08:20] <IIIEars> Video Acceleration and XORG Xtras - http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-32015.html it was news to me.
[08:22] <xero> damn no paypal option
[08:22] <LiberalTugboat> hehe I got quake 2 running next to my x-chat window :)
[08:22] <LiberalTugboat> who says there are no games for linux?
[08:22] <xero> lol
[08:22] <nalioth> nickrud: i know nothing at all about gnome, before ubuntu, i used kde alla time
[08:22] <xero> damnit i need Cedega so bad.. it just frustrates me
[08:23] <xero> im not goin back to Windows
[08:23] <popey> heh
[08:23] <Twitch> would anyone know how to set up a voodoo 2
[08:24] <nickrud> nalioth I started with gnome, it was my first 'desktop', combined with enlightenment
[08:24] <nickrud> 1.0.56
[08:24] <nickrud> suse 6.3
[08:24] <nickrud> I'll never forget :)
[08:24] <IIIEars> LiberalTugboat - Doom 3, Unreal Tournament-2k3,2k4, Quake 3, MOHAA, Americas Army, - (FPS passion)
[08:24] <TokenBad> thanks everyone
[08:25] <IIIEars> <<-less than 2 months using linux - (shrug) it isn't too difficult.
[08:25] <aapelii> xero: email info@transgaming.com and ask them, Im sure there is some way they will take your money... ;)
[08:25] <LiberalTugboat> IIIEars, there enough games for linux to keep me busy :)
[08:25] <LiberalTugboat> i need to reinstall ut 2k4
[08:26] <Dethread> nethack has kept me busy for years :(
[08:26] <kimo> is DR17 available in any form in ubu ?
[08:26] <KarlosII> heh mee too LiberalTugboat
[08:26] <LiberalTugboat> but I have been busy playing City of Heroes with cedega/p2p
[08:26] <aapelii> anyone know any good strategy games for linux?
[08:26] <Dethread> aapelii, civnet :)
[08:26] <aapelii> Is it based on civ the original?
[08:27] <Dethread> aapelii, I think it's pretty equivalent to civ2
[08:27] <aapelii> Dethread: ok, is the ai any good?
[08:27] <LiberalTugboat> hehe quake 2 runs pretty good on my 6600 gt
[08:27] <aapelii> Dethread: or is it net only?
[08:27] <IIIEars> LiberalTugboat - yet to try Cedega. (crosses fingers) If it works with Scrabble my wife will switch to linux.
[08:27] <Dethread> aapelii, sorry...I messed up, it's called freeciv, not civnet
[08:28] <Twitch> could someone help me set up my voodoo 2 please, i cant get the monitor to display from it
[08:28] <LiberalTugboat> IIIEars, you mean you havent found a scrabble clone for linux yet?
[08:28] <LiberalTugboat> i bet there is one
[08:28] <IIIEars> LiberalTugboat - Careful or you GLXGears will begin to smoke. - wide grin
[08:28] <LiberalTugboat> lol
[08:29] <IIIEars> LiberalTugboat - yes XScrabble 2.1 is okay - my wife really likes just that one dos vers.
[08:29] <nalioth> LiberalTugboat: IIIEars there are several scrabbls iirc
[08:29] <LiberalTugboat> lol
[08:30] <Madpilot> LiberalTugboat: there's even a Scrabble version in Ubuntu's repos. Just check Synaptic!
[08:30] <LiberalTugboat> Quake 2 never ran this good on the windows machine I played it on
[08:30] <LiberalTugboat> therefor linux is better for games?
[08:31] <IIIEars> Scrabble uses english words but have you played a maven? - it's humbling. -
[08:31] <LiberalTugboat> *cough*windows machine was a 233 p1mmx with 32 mb ram and no video card*cough*
[08:31] <IIIEars> LiberalTugboat - I know brighter and faster GL is much better in linux.
[08:32] <artgeek> Good evening all
[08:32] <LiberalTugboat> http://www.nexuiz.com/ is a pretty fun online FPS based on q1 engine but with WAY better graphics
[08:33] <artgeek> I need a little help with Apache
[08:33] <LiberalTugboat> check out the sceenies
[08:33] <IIIEars> LiberalTugboat - going to check that out. - just curious how fast is a q1 demo? - rofl
[08:35] <LiberalTugboat> how do you run it?
[08:35] <artgeek> I'm trying to figure out how to get it to show pages that I've writen in my home folder.  I have checked the Unoffical start guide ... but i'm a little mystifed.
[08:35] <Twitch> right now I'm trying to set up my voodoo 2 Ubuntu has recognized it, but yet whenever I plug the monitor into the card it doesn't display on the screen
[08:35] <artgeek> <- is first time really doing anything *nix based
[08:35] <KarlosII> LiberalTugboat, no backport for that yet though
[08:35] <IIIEars> LiberalTugboat - timedemo map demo1.dem?
[08:36] <nalioth> artgeek: have you tried file:///home/yourusername/file_to_be_seen.html   ??
[08:36] <artgeek> Hm... lemme try that.
[08:36] <LiberalTugboat> doesnt work
[08:37] <LiberalTugboat> KarlosII, you dont need a back port... there is nothing to install
[08:37] <KarlosII> :
[08:37] <KarlosII> o_O
[08:37] <LiberalTugboat> just unzip the game and turn the gxl file into an exacutable then double click
[08:37] <KarlosII> O-O
[08:37] <KarlosII> -----
[08:37] <Twitch> look
[08:38] <IIIEars> /etc/X11 - heh - works in gnome too.
[08:38] <IIIEars> "file:/etc/X11"
[08:39] <KarlosII> gxl or glx
[08:40] <artgeek> ::bows:: thaks.  I feel kinda silly asking for such a simple thing.  Thank you for your patience.
[08:41] <LiberalTugboat> glx file
[08:41] <LiberalTugboat> there is one for 32bit and one for 64 bit
[08:41] <IIIEars> "Hacking" localhost. - grin
[08:42] <IIIEars> artgeek - no apologies. "Pay it Forward" - linux communuty  windows has "users"
[08:44] <nalioth> artgeek: the only "dumb" question is the one you don't ask
[08:44] <KarlosII> LiberalTugboat, seems laggy for me
[08:45] <LiberalTugboat> it does take some graphics adjustment
[08:45] <LiberalTugboat> the lighting is super intensive on hardware
[08:45] <artgeek> Thanks guys.  Last time I was on an IRC (as in a couple of years ago) it wasn't nearly as helpful
[08:45] <KarlosII> hmm
[08:47] <nalioth> artgeek: #ubuntu (and the ones who live there) has been accused on several occasions of "friendliness"
[08:48] <artgeek> What a welcome change!  ::streaches arms::  I think I am gonna like this place
[08:49] <artgeek> nalioth: This my be an odd question ... but is there a way to work the gamma of the screen?  It feels a little dark
[08:49] <IIIEars> nalioth - Ubuntu's Introduction was different. The Mission Statement has some very powerful ideas.
[08:49] <nalioth> artgeek: are there not controls your monitor?
[08:50] <nalioth> artgeek: i have no clue how to adjust in software
[08:50] <imaek> FATAL: Error inserting Intel537 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/char/Intel537.ko): Operation not permitted
[08:50] <imaek> Any idea why this would be?
[08:50] <artgeek> I've played with those ... and ... well maybe it's the site i'm looking at.
[08:50] <artgeek> they have dark grey text on black
[08:50] <kimo> imaek, wrong hardware/module!
[08:50] <imaek> :|
[08:50] <imaek> Oh
[08:50] <imaek> That's alright
[08:51] <imaek> Heh.  I am helping out a friend and I am actually installing the modem drivers on this computer; I don't have the same modem is why I got that error.
[08:52] <kimo> anyone uses LEAP wireless authentication
[08:52] <nalioth> artgeek: some webdevs have no sense of art
[08:52] <artgeek> nalioth: well I guess I was wondering if they had any of those gamma adjustment tools like they do for the Mac and Win for the pre press photoshop and stuff
[08:52] <nalioth> artgeek: not sure
[08:53] <jf6> Hi i Have a problem with my sound
[08:53] <jf6> i hear nothing :s
[08:53] <artgeek> ::nods:: well with time there may be a Penguine Art, Linux for artists
[08:53] <jf6> I hav kill my Esd
[08:53] <jf6> but i dont know how to
[08:54] <IIIEars> http://www.bitpoetry.com/programs/gnome-color-calibrator/ - haven't tried this artgeek
[08:56] <artgeek> Thanks for the tip IIIEars
[08:56] <IIIEars> NP :)
[08:57] <IIIEars> jf6 - ps -e in terminal will give you process #s        kill #
[08:57] <jf6> ???
[08:57] <jf6> what i do?
[08:57] <jf6> (sorry i m french)
[08:57] <IIIEars> jf6 - or killall process name
[08:57] <jf6> killall esd?
[08:57] <jf6> i hav do
[08:58] <nalioth> IIIEars: he wants to know how to restart his sound daemon
[08:58] <IIIEars> your english is better than my Francais - no apologies needed.
[08:58] <artgeek> quickie ... if I want to quickly check what X server I'm running ... how do I do that?
[08:58] <IIIEars> :x - sorry i missed the question.
[08:59] <jf6> IIIears thx
[08:59] <nalioth> artgeek: what version of ubuntu are you running? (iow, i dont know the fancy command to tell you)
[08:59] <IIIEars> artgeek - i am really new so there may be an easier way. ps -e
[08:59] <artgeek> Um should be 5.04 hoary
[09:00] <nalioth> artgeek: then xorg is your answer
[09:00] <artgeek> Okay ... I thought I saw it in the install but wanted to check
[09:01] <IIIEars> If a graphical application locks up there is a stop the app by pointing add on to the taskbar. just right click on the taskbar select "Add" and choose it.
[09:01] <syntaxman> There is a script in /etc/udev/ called /win 2
[09:01] <syntaxman> wups
[09:01] <syntaxman> please ignore :)
[09:02] <LiberalTugboat> hehe playing quake 2 makes me really want quake 4
[09:02] <nalioth> syntaxman: did you say something? ;)
[09:03] <IIIEars> snipping some nice images for the taskbar. you can make your taskbar look like a lake, forest, mountains anything. Grey is boring.
[09:03] <LiberalTugboat> hope to god the port quake 4 to linux (shouldnt be hard since it uses the doom3 engine
[09:03] <jansen> bob2 wanna help
[09:03] <nalioth> IIIEars: have you slipped a cog? wtf are you on about?
[09:04] <IIIEars> LiberalTugboat - Me too - guess we will get Q4 before "Duke Nukem Forever" - lol
[09:04] <nickrud> IIIEars if you get a good taskbar image, I'll take it. grey is boring
[09:04] <LiberalTugboat> lol
[09:05] <LiberalTugboat> nickrud, go to gnomelook.org and get a new theme
[09:05] <jansen> i'm using the hoary, kernel is 2.6.10-5-686,how can i use the bootsplash? my VideoCard is the Ati 9000 mobile
[09:05] <IIIEars> Made an easy spoof of windows took a grassy knoll pic and pasted in a lawn gnome cresting the hill.
[09:05] <nickrud> LiberalTugboat they are all boring.
[09:05] <IIIEars> ugnomelook is GREAT!
[09:06] <artgeek> Do any of you have much experience with the GIMP?
[09:06] <nickrud> LiberalTugboat IIIEars claims to have taste :)
[09:06] <LiberalTugboat> hmm... you looked at every one of them...
[09:06] <nickrud> lol, I've looked at most
[09:06] <jf6> So no one have an answer for me
[09:06] <IIIEars> nickrud - true not inspired.
[09:06] <artgeek> Nothing screams taste like lawn gnomes
[09:06] <jf6> ?
[09:06] <LiberalTugboat> I have both my systems with differnt themes
[09:06] <xero> which ones work for ubuntu? GTK 1.x GTK 2.x or Metacity?
[09:07] <LiberalTugboat> gtk 2
[09:07] <artgeek> jf6: I'd like to help ... I just installed my Ubuntu 2 days ago
[09:07] <LiberalTugboat> and metacity
[09:07] <nickrud> xero both gtk2 and metacity
[09:07] <hondje> anyone here use deborphan much?
[09:07] <Choubaka> xero: that was a weird question :/
[09:07] <Choubaka> GTK1.x works too, of course.
[09:07] <xero> heh, im a noob
[09:07] <Choubaka> but most apps are gtk 2.x nowadays
[09:07] <LiberalTugboat> we can tell :)
[09:07] <LiberalTugboat> j/k
[09:07] <nickrud> amule is
[09:07] <nickrud> gtk1
[09:08] <jf6> artgeek ok :) me 1 month
[09:08] <LiberalTugboat> yeah but you cant change the gtk 1 theme
[09:08] <LiberalTugboat> or atleast I havent found out how
[09:08] <LiberalTugboat> metacity is the window manager... like the window borders and such
[09:09] <LiberalTugboat> so for a full theme you need both a gtk2 theme and a metacity theme
[09:09] <IIIEars> Metacity - hm - googling.
[09:10] <hondje> Is there a way to get apt to remove config files for pkgs that are no longer installed?
[09:10] <IIIEars> Just installed KDE and didn't see an option to customise it.
[09:10] <hondje> once you pass that --purge point
[09:10] <nalioth> hondje: --clean or something
[09:10] <nalioth> hondje: it's past your bedtime
[09:10] <hondje> yeah, and getting to work time :(
[09:10] <LiberalTugboat> anyone know how to change the gtk 1 theme?
[09:10] <hondje> clean just clears out /var/cache/apt/archive
[09:11] <nalioth> hondje: really? its 2am where i am
[09:11] <nickrud> hondje the best method I've found, is run aptitude, and use the command l ~c
[09:11] <nalioth> hondje: apt-get --help doesn't?
[09:11] <nickrud> that will show you all the configured but not installed packages
[09:11] <hondje> nalioth: night shift evilness
[09:11] <nickrud> you can then delete them
[09:11] <hondje> nickrud: I'll give that a try
[09:11] <Ng> dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii
[09:12] <Ng> is quite handy for seeing packages that are in a state other than installed
[09:12] <kimo> try synaptic
[09:12] <artgeek> ::waves::  Time to sleep.  Take care all
[09:12] <IIIEars> Good Night artgeek
[09:12] <nickrud> hondje synaptic can do it also, using the filters thingo.
[09:12] <hondje> Ng: That shows them, but doesn't clean them
[09:13] <Ng> hondje: indeed, you already mentioned purging, that should do
[09:13] <hondje> nickrud: This is over ssh to a headless box
[09:13] <nalioth> hondje: then the aptitude thing
[09:13] <nickrud> aptitude, console, better, I would guess
[09:14] <hatred> evening all
[09:14] <IIIEars> #Ubuntu is friendly none of the 733t H8x0r nonsense. - grin
[09:14] <hatred> it seems i've broken my nvidia kernel, the x server module and nvidia kernel are for some reason different versions
[09:14] <hondje> Ng: Sorry, I wasn't too clear...this is for pkgs that are already removed, apt complains about that
[09:14] <hatred> and it's preventing me from starting X
[09:15] <hatred> anyone had any ideas on how i can fix up this driver issue?
[09:15] <Ng> hondje: have you tried "dpkg -P packagename"?
[09:15] <hondje> I was using "apt-get remove --purge -s `deborphan -a --find-config --libdevel | awk '{print $2}'`", but someone else did a bunch of stupid stuff while I was gone
[09:15] <imaek> Ubuntu doesn't like me ;_;
[09:15] <hondje> Ng: No, thanks!!
[09:15] <LiberalTugboat> anyone here using gdesklets?
[09:15] <IIIEars> hatred - without reinstalling the nVidia driver? - dunno
[09:15] <nickrud> heh, I don't do awk, I do it by hand :)
[09:16] <hatred> IIears well i don't know how to reinstall the nvidia kernel
[09:16] <hondje> nickrud: I only use awk for a few things, picking a column is one of them :)  I hate using cut
[09:16] <hatred> i need to install 1.0.7174
[09:16] <hatred> but i can't seem to get it from apt-get :\
[09:16] <hatred> IIIEars *
[09:16] <IIIEars> hatred - give me a sec - looking for the wiki page nvidiadriverhowto.
[09:17] <hatred> i've seen it :\
[09:17] <hatred> wasnt any help
[09:17] <hondje> nickrud: you and me both
[09:17] <nalioth> hatred: easy fix: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto   and choose VESA
[09:17] <hondje> hatred: I install nvidia drivers way too much, what part was giving you errors/problems?
[09:18] <nalioth> hatred: this will fix you up till you can figger out the nvidia driver
[09:18] <hatred> hondje: trying to download the nividia-kernel-1.0.7174
[09:18] <hatred> nvidia*
[09:18] <IIIEars> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver - hatred this is a start but, there is a more detailed page included in the wiki. hang on.
[09:19] <hondje> hatred: apt-cache search nvidia
[09:19] <k4rp0r> iwe just installed nvidia drivers. Forks well :D
[09:19] <hatred> i cant view these website
[09:19] <hatred> i;m in console :\
[09:19] <Ng> use lynx or links
[09:19] <hondje> if it shows nvidia-glx, then your repos are fine, just apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings
[09:19] <nalioth> hatred: program called elinks
[09:19] <Ng> console browsers :)
[09:19] <k4rp0r> goto ubuntuguide.org
[09:20] <k4rp0r> gives u good info about nvidia
[09:20] <hatred> ok
[09:20] <hatred> hondje i did that command
[09:20] <hondje> hatred: what did it show you?
[09:20] <hatred> came up with a whole lot of jargan...
[09:20] <hatred> 1 or 2 pages of jargan
[09:21] <hondje> hatred: that's good...so sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings, and edit xorg.conf
[09:21] <IIIEars> hatred - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/ this is it. :)
[09:21] <hatred> i
[09:21] <hatred> can't
[09:21] <hatred> see them
[09:22] <hatred> i have no console browsers
[09:22] <hatred> i cna't page up
[09:22] <hondje> hatred: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx | sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[09:22] <nalioth> hatred: apt-get some
[09:22] <IIIEars> hatred - links? lynx?
[09:22] <hondje> just copy and paste that, hit enter
[09:22] <IIIEars> elinks?
[09:22] <hatred> Hondjem apt-get install nvidia_glx nvidia-settings
[09:22] <hatred> its what got me into this trouble in the first place..
[09:23] <hondje> hatred: did you do 'sudo nvidia-glx-config enable' ?
[09:23] <hatred> i don't think so ?
[09:23] <hatred> they're different versions regardless
[09:23] <hondje> try that
[09:23] <nalioth> hatred apt-get lynx links elinks and go view that fixvideo thing i posted above
[09:23] <hondje> what are different versions?
[09:24] <hatred> hondje
[09:24] <nalioth> hatred: then do the vesa thing (to get you back in X) while you figger the driver out
[09:24] <hatred> doing that says "bad command"
[09:24] <hatred> ] etc. etc.
[09:24] <IIIEars> Video Acceleration and XORG Xtras - http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-32015.html it was news to me. - interesting tweaks
[09:24] <hatred> nalioth
[09:25] <hatred> i;ve said it a couple times now
[09:25] <hatred> i cna't page uo
[09:25] <hatred> up
[09:25] <nalioth> hatred: easy fix: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto   and choose VESA
[09:25] <hatred> i can only see a max of 8 lines on the screen
[09:25] <hatred> and i can't page up to see what was said
[09:25] <hatred> this is most stressful
[09:25] <kestas> hondje: you shouldnt pipe the output of one to the other
[09:25] <hondje> kestas: yeah, that was dumb, meant &&
[09:25] <hatred> nalioth i odn't have time to copy that link
[09:25] <kestas> hondje: itll attempt to open nvidia-glx-config before its installed
[09:25] <kestas> yeah
[09:25] <kestas> thought so
[09:25] <benjamin123> hello everyone i need help..... i installed a sata hd, and then installed ubuntu from an external sony dvd drive.....
[09:25] <nalioth> hatred: get out of whatever you are using, and start 'irssi'
[09:25] <hatred> I AM IN IRSSI!!!!!
[09:25] <hatred> god damnit
[09:26] <hatred> i've said this shit over and over
[09:26] <benjamin123> now i got a new plextor drive and the sony is gone, but the plextor is internal
[09:26] <nalioth> 8 lines?
[09:26] <hatred> is no one listening to a word i'm saying?
[09:26] <hatred> yes!
[09:26] <nalioth> hatred: easy fix: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto   and choose VESA
[09:26] <hatred> 8 lines onlt, nothing more nothing less
[09:26] <benjamin123> when i try to install ubuntu it has problems getting files from the cdrom so it says
[09:26] <konra`> is there any sort of source-package management system out there?
[09:26] <hondje> konra`: apt-get source
[09:27] <nalioth> konra`: just apt
[09:27] <rem_> .
[09:27] <konra`> how do you use apt?
[09:27] <benjamin123> i now have the cdrom on the primary ide controller, set as master
[09:27] <kestas> konra`: dont bother unless you have good reason
[09:27] <benjamin123> the serial ata hd has no jumpers
[09:27] <oxeia> you can use like: sudo apt-get install
[09:27] <hatred> nalioth
[09:27] <konra`> I thought that was only for .deb packages
[09:27] <nalioth> konra`: better to use the frontend "synaptic"
[09:27] <hatred> your website doesn't exsist
[09:28] <benjamin123> you think this could create conflicts, do i need to set the internal dvd to slave, or move it to a secondary ide port?
[09:28] <hatred> now
[09:28] <hondje> apt-get build-dep pkg, apt-get source -b pkg
[09:28] <hatred> can some please just tell me
[09:28] <nalioth> hatred: i just pulled it up
[09:28] <benjamin123> ANYBODY HELP!!1
[09:28] <hatred> how on earth i install the nvidia-kernel-1.0.7174 !?!?!?!?
[09:28] <nalioth> hatred: did you get my /msg?
[09:28] <konra`> no
[09:28] <konra`> oh
[09:28] <konra`> wait
[09:28] <konra`> haha
[09:28] <kestas> benjamin123: youre not being very clear
[09:28] <hatred> nalioth: i've tried the site numerous times
[09:28] <hatred> i can't type it out
[09:28] <hatred> and have it be the same
[09:28] <hatred> i'm not capable of it
[09:28] <hatred> im an invalid
[09:28] <konra`> nalioth: isn't apt just for .deb packages?
[09:28] <hatred> >:|
[09:29] <kestas> hatred: try installing it from synaptic
[09:29] <IIIEars> hatred - you should have the " links " web browser.
[09:29] <konra`> lynx
[09:29] <oxeia> apt is not just .deb
[09:29] <hondje> konra`: apt can build .debs from source, man dpkg
[09:29] <hatred> kestas as i said, i'm in console
[09:29] <hatred> i have no gui
[09:29] <kestas> hatred: okay then apt-get
[09:29] <hatred> omfg
[09:29] <hatred> you idiot
[09:29] <oxeia> for .deb try dpkg -i "name_package"
[09:29] <kestas> apt-get nvidia-kernel
[09:29] <hatred> that's what i've been saying for th past 20 minuts
[09:29] <hatred> THAT DOESN'T WORK
[09:29] <hatred> that''s the first thing i tried
[09:29] <kestas> why not?
[09:29] <kestas> what happens?
[09:29] <hatred> that's the first thing i said and i've said it 9 ti ms inow
[09:29] <hatred> i can't apt-get the kernel
[09:29] <oxeia> try apt-get install nvidia-kernel
[09:29] <hatred> i want someone to help me do that
[09:30] <hatred> not jsut tell me to do what i'm trying to do already
[09:30] <hatred> and act like they know everything
[09:30] <hatred> god damnit
[09:30] <kestas> hatred: what happens when you type "apt-get install nvidia-kernel"?
[09:30] <hondje> nvidia-kernel-common
[09:30] <kestas> hatred: I wasnt here earlier
[09:30] <hatred> it says it has no installation candidate
[09:31] <benjamin123> kestas: when i try to install ubuntu, either from the dvd disc or regular cd install, it has problems getting past the first stage of the installation..... cant read files from cdrom, could this be a driver issue, my drive being so new (plextor 740a)
[09:31] <hondje> hatred: try nvidia-kernel-common
[09:31] <nalioth> hatred: i just sent you the revelent stuff from that page
[09:31] <kestas> hatred: "apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common" sorry
[09:31] <IIIEars> hatred - will sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg work? try VESA mode
[09:31] <nalioth> benjamin123: did you burn or recieve in the mail the disk?
[09:31] <oxeia> I've gone. By everybody
[09:31] <kestas> IIIEars: you mean the nv driver
[09:31] <debs> how can i make my serial mouse work, i'm using the hoary version of ubuntu.
[09:31] <benjamin123> burn
[09:32] <kestas> IIIEars: if he uses the nv driver he can use nvidia cards without 3d accel
[09:32] <hondje> debs: installer didnt' see it?
[09:32] <benjamin123> it worked before, the same disc, installing from an external dvd usb2
[09:32] <hatred> it says it's already the latest version kestas
[09:32] <IIIEars> It should be worth a try - nalioth you did it again.
[09:32] <kestas> hatred: so youve already installed it
[09:32] <debs> i'm using a generic serial mouse, there is no installer.
[09:32] <kestas> hatred: now you just need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:32] <hatred> i performed " apt-get install nvidia-glx "
[09:32] <hatred> and then everything fucked up
[09:32] <Imsdle> I just setup a new computer using 5.04 and the modem lights is now a usless little phone
[09:33] <hondje> debs: know how to edit xorg.conf?
[09:33] <kestas> hatred: what fucked up?"
[09:33] <nalioth> i did nothing
[09:33] <hatred> the versions
[09:33] <Imsdle> how do i get the old onees back
[09:33] <hatred> as i've said 6 times now
[09:33] <hatred> the versions are different
[09:33] <hatred> the x server
[09:33] <hatred> and the nvidia
[09:33] <kestas> hatred: so what happens when you try to start X?
[09:33] <hatred> nvidia kernel*
[09:33] <hatred> it tells me it can't start coz the drivers are different versions
[09:33] <hatred> the x module or some bollocks
[09:33] <hatred> and the nvidia kernel
[09:34] <kestas> hatred: any chance of getting a pastebin of /var/log/X.org.log.old?
[09:34] <hatred> how would i do that?
[09:34] <kestas> hatred: upload it to another computer or something I suppose, then paste it from there.
[09:34] <IIIEars> IMsdle - right click on the taskbar >> Add to Panel >> anything look like what you had?
[09:35] <hatred> i odn't have a x.org
[09:35] <debs> no, but i read it from alot from other forum, when i open the xorg.conf( using sudo nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf), there is no text at all.
[09:35] <hatred> XFree86.0.log
[09:35] <hatred> i have that
[09:35] <kestas> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:35] <hatred> no x.org
[09:35] <kestas> yeah that one then
[09:35] <nalioth> goodnight
[09:35] <kestas> hmm XFree86 :/
[09:35] <hondje> debs: /etc/X11/xorg.conf ...that X is capitalized
[09:35] <kestas> you running Warty?
[09:35] <hatred> nfi
[09:36] <kestas> hmm thats odd
[09:36] <hatred> exactly
[09:36] <hondje> debs: Go down to "InputDevice", then option "Device" and put in "/dev/ttyS0"
[09:36] <Imsdle> the icon is the same on the old version but it doesn't show a phone when you execute it, its a button with stats
[09:36] <kestas> hatred: could you try "apt-get install xorg"
[09:36] <debs> is it casesensitive? i'll be back, i'll try it.
[09:36] <hatred> why would i try that kestas?
[09:36] <hondje> debs: Yep, everything in linux is case sesative
[09:36] <kestas> hatred: could you try "apt-get install xorg-common" rather
[09:36] <hatred> WHY?
[09:36] <hatred> im not using xorg
[09:36] <kestas> hatred: well youre running XFree86, which I thought was decaprecated
[09:37] <hondje> debs: btw, it's ttySZERO, not ttyS OH in ttyS0
[09:37] <hatred> decaprecated??????
[09:37] <kestas> hatred: and so if the driver wont work with XFree maybe it needs xorg
[09:37] <kestas> hatred: that would make sense to me
[09:37] <kestas> hatred: yeah something like that "deprecated"
[09:37] <hatred> it's just they're different versions
[09:37] <hatred> !!!!
[09:37] <ubotu> Wish i knew, hatred
[09:37] <kestas> "decarprecated"
[09:37] <hatred> it's not they don't work togeather
[09:37] <hatred> iut's justnt eh fact
[09:37] <hatred> they're different versions
[09:37] <hatred> thats it
[09:37] <hatred> not some conflicting madness
[09:37] <IIIEars> !display
[09:37] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, IIIEars
[09:37] <hatred> they're just...different...versions
[09:37] <hatred> OK!?!?
[09:37] <kestas> hatred: what is? nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common?
[09:38] <hatred> the x module and the nvidia kernel i guess
[09:38] <IIIEars> ubotu Amnesia is "what you have..."
[09:38] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[09:38] <kestas> yeah well that could well be because nvidia-kernel is for xorg, and you have xfree86
[09:38] <nickrud> !amnesia
[09:38] <kestas> hatred: hence installing xorg will probably help
[09:38] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, nickrud
[09:38] <Imsdle> the old you could just name a pon setting
[09:38] <IIIEars> !Amnesia
[09:38] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, IIIEars
[09:38] <Amaranth> IIIEars: the database crashed again, please stop screwing with it
[09:39] <Imsdle> this one you setup the settings in the dialer.. not as much flexiblity
[09:39] <IIIEars> Hi! - Was there a backup? (kneels to pray...)
[09:39] <hatred> couldnt find package
[09:39] <Amaranth> IIIEars: not my bot
[09:39] <nickrud> and that seemed like a useful thing
[09:39] <hatred> xorg-common
[09:39] <kestas> hatred: yeup go for it
[09:40] <nickrud> IIIEars maybe that
[09:40] <kestas> hatred: and then "apt-get install xserver-xorg"
[09:40] <nickrud> means it should be yours ...
[09:40] <debs> hodje: should i reboot after that?
[09:40] <hondje> debs: No, just restart X w/ ctrl-alt-backspace
[09:41] <hatred> kestas
[09:41] <hatred> once again
[09:41] <benjamin123> kestas, i have my sata hd plugged in to the sata port on the motherboard, and the internal dvd drive on the primary ide controller, set as master... is this ok?
[09:41] <hatred> you haven't lsitened to a word i've said
[09:41] <IIIEars> I wish ubotu had a trusted user group.
[09:41] <hatred> i just told you
[09:41] <hatred> that it CANT find that package
[09:41] <kestas> which package? I dont remember you saying that
[09:41] <nickrud> IIIEars I don't know much about bots, but I do know you know their value
[09:41] <hatred> scroll up ?
[09:41] <kestas> xserver-xorg or xorg-common?
[09:41] <hatred> either!!
[09:42] <hondje> I have a bot that trolls for me
[09:42] <kestas> try apt-get update
[09:42] <nickrud> so, get cracking :)
[09:42] <kestas> or apt-get upgrade
[09:42] <IIIEars> I can't type a correct URL - rofl
[09:42] <kestas> or both
[09:42] <hatred> omfg
[09:42] <hatred> you guys are fucking idiots
[09:42] <hatred> this is ridiculous
[09:42] <kestas> and tell us what uname -a output
[09:42] <kestas> s
[09:42] <hatred> you've just told me to do everything i came here asking you how to do
[09:43] <nickrud> hatred there are no fucking idiots here, just normal ones
[09:43] <hatred> ha
[09:43] <hondje> I'm a huge idiot
[09:43] <hondje> But I also have nvidia working for years now :p
[09:43] <IIIEars> hatred - relax - take a break. We REALLY want to help.
[09:43] <kestas> I wonder why he had xfree installed
[09:43] <jaysin> what should i download to be able to view .avi files?
[09:43] <hondje> I commend all of your patience
[09:44] <hondje> seriously, it never ceases to amaze me
[09:44] <IIIEars> This isn't your father's #Debian IRC channel. - lol
[09:44] <hondje> hehe
[09:45] <jaysin> lol
[09:45] <nickrud> so, my question
[09:45] <nickrud> can someone tell me how to backport the breezy hplip package to hoary?
[09:45] <nickrud> please?
[09:46] <hondje> I read the backports how-to, when flaming jdong in another forum
[09:46] <hondje> basically, just add the breezy repo and apt-get -t breezy build-dep on the pkg (s/breezy/whatever the repo is) until you're close, then apt-get source -b pkg
[09:47] <nickrud> hpoj takes nearly all my cycles, hplip does not. It's almost enough to drive me back to unstable
[09:47] <IIIEars> A truely guilty feeling settles in for being a newb and unable to help nickrud.
[09:47] <hondje> then voila, magic .deb
[09:47] <nickrud> IIIEars you have no guilt. I'm just trolling
[09:47] <nickrud> or hoping
[09:48] <sobersabre> hi guys. opeoffice2 has a security update. when will it make into official ubuntu packages ?
[09:48] <nickrud> hondje looking back
[09:48] <nern> hey he yhey
[09:49] <hondje> nickrud: that's also a fun/easy way to use debian repos without breaking everything
[09:49] <IIIEars> Can this be tweaked?   One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:49] <hondje> just use judicious amounts of pinning with /etc/apt/preferences if you're that nuts
[09:49] <IIIEars> nickrud - see above
[09:50] <sobersabre> anybody .. . .an idea   ?
[09:50] <hondje> IIIEars: don't forget hoary-security
[09:50] <nickrud> hondje thanks for the pointer, now, do you have the link you read while flaming :)
[09:50] <hondje> nickrud: I might, I bookmark tons
[09:51] <hondje> nickrud: I have THE bookmark for that, too
[09:51] <nickrud> hondje gimmie. I wasted much effort at one time, and only got out of it cuz I cribbed
[09:52] <nickrud> cribbing is legal in real life :)
[09:54] <nickrud> sobersabre probably not until breezy at best, I don't think ooffice2 is official
[09:54] <IIIEars> hondje - apt-pinning? - May i have the link too?   please...... :)
[09:55] <nickrud> now, if someone wants to talk about magic and debs, pinning is it
[09:56] <hondje> http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html
[09:56] <IIIEars> RPMs are well erm. trying to think of something nice to say.
[09:56] <IIIEars> Nice link - THANK YOU! :)
[09:57] <nickrud> hondje thanks
[09:57] <hondje> what that how-to ignores is that you can pin to urls, too
[09:57] <hondje> so if you want to pin a pkg to marillat becase you're nuts, pin to ftp.nerim.net
[09:57] <nickrud> pin repositories, pin package-versions, pin on, ... magic
[09:58] <hondje> http://www.argon.org/~roderick/apt-pinning.html  <---the better one
[09:58] <hondje> between those two, it somehow actually works :)
[09:59] <hondje> nickrud: oh, just thinking here, two more things about quasi-backporting
[09:59] <nickrud> hah, two at a time, true magic :)
[09:59] <nickrud> hondje I'm listening
[10:00] <hondje> one is if you can't get rid of some of the deps, but don't care a whole lot, just apt-get source pkg, cd to to the directory, and edit the 'control' file
[10:00] <hondje> in the debian subfolder... and if you want to change options that you'd pass to ./configure (useful for things like transcode), edit the rules file
[10:01] <hondje> In control though, you can lie about build deps, if it's just minor version stuff you aren't worried about
[10:01] <nickrud> lol, I've spent years trying to avoid that, hondje
[10:01] <hondje> yeah, not for the undesperate :)
[10:02] <hondje> And if you do that, you ahve to make a real deb too, a la 'fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot' and all that evil hard stuff
[10:02] <hondje> time to earn some m's, bbl
[10:02] <nickrud> that I can do, it's the altering of deps and altering the control file I've been very successful at
[10:03] <kvidell> anyone here had problems with linux-image-2.6.10-5-686 that just came down the apt pipe?
[10:03] <nickrud> *avoiding'
[10:03] <nickrud> god, I don't like compiling
[10:04] <nern> yeah i tried the more up to date 686 kernel and it my system would crash as soon as gnome came up
[10:04] <kvidell> :-\ mm, k
[10:04] <nern> i dont know why
[10:04] <kvidell> how do I make apt ignore a package until I specifically say to install it?
[10:05] <thoreauputic> kvidell: the recent kernel updates make me nervous - seems a few people have had problems with them
[10:05] <kvidell> I may just compile my own anywho
[10:06] <nickrud> kvidell there's a dpkg option to hold a package, I use aptitude to put a hold on it
[10:06] <kvidell> I do it at work as one of my main job functions, yet I've never compiled one for myself, lol.
[10:06] <kvidell> ah, okay
[10:07] <kvidell> yay aptitude. cool :) thanks.
[10:08] <nickrud> lovely software, write a letter to daniel burrows
[10:08] <IIIEars> Hello thoreauputic. :)
[10:09] <thoreauputic> hi IIIEars  :)
[10:10] <IIIEars> debian guru 101 hondje was talking about apt pinning.
[10:10] <KarlosII> what date was hoary released on?
[10:10] <Imsdle> i have connected my old ubuntu hard disk to my computer (and set it to slave) and connected to the cdrom cable thingy.... but i can't mount it
[10:10] <nickrud> KarlosII april 6?
[10:10] <thoreauputic> KarlosII: April 8 I think
[10:10] <KarlosII> ah
[10:10] <IIIEars> power! power! ach we need more power! - grin
[10:10] <KarlosII> :)
[10:10] <nern> Imsdle: have you added the drive to yer fstab?
[10:10] <kvidell> here's a good question: How about Warty?
[10:10] <KarlosII> so breezy release is october 6 abouts
[10:11] <IIIEars> kvidell in "pursuit of the trivial"?
[10:11] <KarlosII> you know we're board when we are redicolously lame
[10:11] <kvidell> IIIEars: I'll tell you when you're older.
[10:11] <KarlosII> bored
[10:11] <nickrud> no way
[10:12] <kvidell> ridicuously.
[10:12] <KarlosII> :)
[10:12] <kvidell> ahck
[10:12] <nickrud> I work at it
[10:12] <kvidell> ridiculously
[10:12] <kvidell> there
[10:12] <KarlosII> lol
[10:12] <kvidell> I've had three glasses of wine, leave me be :-P
[10:12] <IIIEars> (applauds) was that trivial?
[10:12] <KarlosII> rotflol
[10:12] <nern> wine is so good
[10:12] <nern> i love it
[10:12] <nern> you saying that made me want to go get a glass
[10:13] <nern> one sec ;)
[10:13] <KarlosII> kvidell, you can't drink wine, it's in the room next door, type /join #wine
[10:13] <KarlosII> :>
[10:13] <ivoks> ok...
[10:13] <kvidell> one Pinot Gris and two Sauvingnon Blancs. The Pinot was from Monterey, California, one Sauv was from New Zealand and the other Australia.
[10:13] <ivoks> is anyone interested in e17 packages?
[10:13] <ivoks> for ubuntu, of course...
[10:13] <KarlosII> e17 hmm
[10:14] <nickrud> ivoks yes
[10:14] <KarlosII> ivoks, actually yes
[10:14] <thoreauputic> ivoks: could be...
[10:14] <ivoks> but i have to inform you; i don't give any support for them
[10:14] <ivoks> i'm just testing it
[10:14] <nickrud> I've been extolling the graces of e16, I'd love to try it
[10:14] <kestas> has anyone managed to get ie working in a recent version of wine?
[10:14] <ivoks> ok...
[10:15] <nickrud> i can always expunge :)
[10:15] <KarlosII> uhh you know your a irc demon when you have 17 channels on 4 servers open :)
[10:15] <hunger> Hi there! Any chance for getting debs for the new ati drivers soon?
[10:15] <IIIEars> lol @ Karlos
[10:15] <blueyed> kestas: I had it working with crossover office.
[10:16] <ivoks> http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/e17
[10:16] <nickrud> KarlosII I think that qualifies as a definitely glutonous person
[10:16] <KarlosII> woot wooot woot
[10:16] <ivoks> i just builded some libs...
[10:16] <kestas> dont like paying for derivatives of free software
[10:16] <ivoks> other will come in minutes
[10:16] <KarlosII> lol
[10:16] <kestas> dont like paying for anything..
[10:16] <kestas> but especially derivatives of free software
[10:17] <kestas> .. why has everyone gone quiet?
[10:17] <kestas> anyone no-one got ie working in a recent version of wine?
[10:17] <kvidell> You've a bit of broccoli in your teath.
[10:17] <kestas> *anyway
[10:17] <nickrud> well I was about to call it a night, but I'm waiting
[10:17] <ivoks> nickrud: i could take a while...
[10:18] <nickrud> I can deal, i have the link bookmarked :)
[10:18] <IIIEars> <<-smoking can't afford to drink and smoke (seen the price of a pack in california? - you can finance the purchase of a carton over 48mos.)
[10:18] <nickrud> ivoks and thanks
[10:18] <kestas> the problem is marijuana is so much cheaper than alchohol and smokes
[10:18] <IIIEars> lol
[10:18] <kestas> makes kids smoke mj instead of harmless alchohol
[10:18] <ivoks> nickrud: np
[10:18] <kestas> *or alcohol
[10:19] <kestas> (>-_-)>
[10:20] <IIIEars> Any links to new hardware specs?
[10:20] <IIIEars> << 4 computers one desk smile on your face priceless.
[10:20] <kestas> Ive got 3, but I cant think of what to do with the thirds
[10:20] <kestas> *third
[10:20] <ivoks> and, please, don't review packages... they are bad, but will work for testing :)
[10:20] <kvidell> oh let's see
[10:21] <nickrud> oh, no, we'll talk about it on slashdot ;)
[10:21] <ivoks> ok, all libs are there now
[10:21] <kvidell> I have a windows box, a linux box, docking station to my linux laptop and a mac mini on a KVM on my desktop
[10:21] <ivoks> only enlightment left to go..
[10:21] <IIIEars> His/Hers/Game Server/Nuclear meltdown backup
[10:21] <kvidell> and a software kvm to the fileserver
[10:22] <kestas> Ive got a dreamcast which I was thinking of using as a system logger for my lan
[10:22] <kestas> using dclinux
[10:22] <IIIEars> software kvm? - FreeNX?
[10:23] <kestas> the thing about openbsd is it doesnt automatically update software
[10:23] <kvidell> synergy
[10:24] <nickrud> huh, enough packages for dpkg-scanpackages I think
[10:24] <KarlosII> freenx needs to be upgrade
[10:25] <ivoks> nickrud: there
[10:26] <nickrud> hah. O
[10:26] <nickrud> wrong thing, that's not the attitude I want
[10:27] <LordKahless> anyone think they could help me? i have some source i'd like to make into a .deb file
[10:27] <ajmitch> LordKahless: join #ubuntu-motu, there's more people there who can help with that
[10:27] <nickrud> ivoks what are the -test thingos?
[10:28] <LordKahless> alright thanks
[10:28] <ivoks> oh man, it's fast! :)
[10:29] <ivoks> nickrud: test programs that camed with libs
[10:29] <nickrud> k
[10:29] <ivoks> nickrud: you don't need them
[10:29] <nickrud> I'll toss them all into a dir, run dpkg-scanpackages, and install enlightenment
[10:30] <thoreauputic> ivoks: erm... does this stuff actually run, or are you just looking for lab rats here ? *grin*
[10:31] <ivoks> thoreauputic: it runs
[10:31] <thoreauputic> OK :)
[10:31] <ivoks> thoreauputic: and you can't never get enough rats :)
[10:31] <ompaul> good morning, anyone know why the fantastic file  .ICEauthority ends up being owned by root after a reboot?
[10:31] <thoreauputic> hahah
[10:32] <ukato> would anyone who's had experience with fluxbox mind helping me out?
[10:32] <ompaul> I'll paraphrase that, what is broked?
[10:32] <thoreauputic> ompaul: probably you ran something as root - just blow the file away and log back in
[10:33] <ompaul> hmm
[10:33] <thoreauputic> ukato: spaecifically?
[10:33] <ompaul> thoreauputic, consider it blowed
[10:33] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:33] <thoreauputic> ompaul: k3b is a common culprit in this situation
[10:33] <ukato> thoreauputic, well, for starters, where do i change my screen resolution
[10:34] <thoreauputic> ukato: that's not a fluxbox function - it's an X function
[10:34] <kestas> man xrandr
[10:34] <IIIEars> Why you guys gotta make me thinks so hard? - never this stimulating in the #windows channel. - grin
[10:34] <ukato> okay, i thought so
[10:35] <ukato> so would i edit a config file?
[10:35] <ukato> or something along those lines
[10:35] <kestas> utako: man xrandr
[10:35] <kestas> ukato even
[10:35] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: yeah, they only need a bot repeating " retry, reboot, reinstall" in an endless loop ;)
[10:35] <ivoks> nickrud: so... how does it feel? :)
[10:36] <IIIEars> ROFLMAO
[10:36] <nickrud> not there yet,
[10:36] <nickrud> slow machine :)
[10:36] <ivoks> :)
[10:37] <ivoks> e17 is really fast
[10:37] <ivoks> i'll do apps now
[10:37] <KarlosII> heh
[10:37] <ukato> kestas, thanks
[10:37] <xero> anyone know what software to use to burn a CD in Ubuntu?
[10:37] <ivoks> xero: k3b
[10:38] <nickrud> ivoks I got lazy, so I just did a dpkg -i * for all the packages. I had several errors :)
[10:38] <snader> k3b rocks
[10:38] <ivoks> nickrud: you need one lib :)
[10:38] <nickrud> ah, what
[10:38] <ivoks> libxxf86vm1
[10:38] <nickrud> thanks
[10:38] <xero> ivoks where do i get kb3 from?
[10:38] <KarlosII> uh that pain in the butt dependancy
[10:38] <KarlosII> grrr
[10:38] <ivoks> xero: apt-get install k3b
[10:38] <xero> k3b i mean
[10:38] <xero> k
[10:39] <ukato> kestas, how do i set the default resolution, if you don't mind me asking
[10:39] <KarlosII> seems like a missed dependancy on alot of things fortunately I had installed alread
[10:39] <kestas> ukato: /etc/X11/xorg.conf somewhere
[10:39] <ukato> okay, thank you again
[10:39] <xero> ivoks: does it work with .iso files?
[10:40] <ivoks> xero: well, k3b does not :) but programs that k3b uses, do iso :)
[10:40] <ivoks> xero: bottom line: yes, it works with iso
[10:40] <kestas> iso is the most supported cd format
[10:40] <xero> ivoks: k thanks
[10:40] <ukato> and then, all of the menu options can be configured by editing ~/.fluxbox/menu, correct?
[10:40] <xero> sweet
[10:41] <rts23> hello, i'm having problems with the CD player - it plays ok, but if i play a cd to the end it stops responding and i have to force-quit
[10:41] <thoreauputic> xero: of course - but if you are just burning an iso, right click it in nautilus and choose "burn"
[10:41] <rts23> any ideas?
[10:41] <ivoks> fluxbox is crap
[10:41] <thoreauputic> ivoks: I beg to differ....
[10:41] <kestas> here we go..
[10:41] <ukato> ivoks, what do you use, i'm trying different stuff out
[10:41] <julo> hi
[10:41] <ivoks> thoreauputic: it has some nice fatuers, but's its toooo sloooowwww...
[10:41] <julo> Has anyone managed to make beagle do anything useful ?
[10:42] <julo> When I search anything, I get no result...
[10:42] <ivoks> ukato: ah... every day something else :)
[10:42] <thoreauputic> ivoks: compile it with --disable-xmb
[10:42] <xero> thoreauputic: i am very new to Ubuntu, i just started yesterday. i have heard of nautilus, but i am unfamiliar with it, can you help me with that?
[10:42] <ukato> oh i see :P
[10:42] <thoreauputic> ivoks: the ubuntu version is b0rked
[10:42] <kestas> xero: man nautilus
[10:42] <rts23>  i'm having problems with the CD player - it plays ok, but if i play a cd to the end it stops responding and i have to force-quit
[10:42] <xero> lol
[10:42] <ivoks> thoreauputic: i didn't try ubuntu version... i used it before
[10:42] <thoreauputic> xero: nautilus is the file manager in gnome
[10:42] <rts23> any ideas people?
[10:43] <kestas> rts23: open it in a terminal
[10:43] <ivoks> thoreauputic: i find openbox and other boxes much faster
[10:43] <kestas> rts23: look for an error message
[10:43] <xero> k
[10:43] <thoreauputic> ivoks: how you can think fluxbox is slow is entirely beyond me ;)
[10:43] <kestas> yeah fluxbox is supposed to be one of the faster wms
[10:43] <thoreauputic> *shrug*
[10:43] <ivoks> thoreauputic: years of expirience :)
[10:43] <kestas> or desktop environments or whatever you call it
[10:43] <ukato> thoreauputic, so it shouldn't be slower than gnome?
[10:43] <orangerange> hi all, any SCIM Japanese input users here? Coz I have a question regarding half-byte and full-byte characters.
[10:43] <LiberalTugboat> i have heard that ubuntu fluxbox is slow
[10:44] <ivoks> thoreauputic: it starts much much slower then openbox
[10:44] <ivoks> thoreauputic: latency is much bigger then on openbox
[10:44] <ivoks> thoreauputic: it's so slow it can compete with KDE and Gnome :)
[10:44] <kestas> I ran fluxbox on a 300mhz with 64mb of ram and it was always very nippy
[10:44] <kestas> zippy? or something
[10:44] <kestas> fast
[10:44] <kestas> thats the one
[10:45] <_luke> whats the command to remove a directory??
[10:45] <ivoks> thoreauputic: and you will find that KDE 3.4 uses less RAM then fluxbox
[10:45] <thenuke> _luke: rm -r
[10:45] <kestas> _luke: rmdir
[10:45] <keikoz> _luke rmdir
[10:45] <thoreauputic> ivoks: OK OK - whatever you say ;-)
[10:45] <_luke> thanks
[10:45] <thenuke> ppl ALWAYS post atleast 3 answers to some simple question :)
[10:45] <kestas> ivoks: I dont believe you
[10:45] <ka24> that has to be about the silliest statement i've ever read
[10:45] <ivoks> thoreauputic: i didn't belive either when i was looking at stats
[10:45] <ivoks> i tought i need glasses
[10:45] <ivoks> but...
[10:46] <ivoks> kde 3.4 uses less than 80MB of RAM
[10:46] <kestas> fluxbox does NOT use >80MB ram
[10:46] <kestas> I used it on a 64mb ram machine
[10:46] <ivoks> kestas: it's around 70 :)
[10:46] <xero> i get an error from K3b:  Unable to find cdrdao executable
[10:46] <ivoks> kestas: check your swap :)
[10:46] <kestas> I dunno what version you were using because the one I used never needed swap
[10:46] <ka24> i've used it on a box with only 48mb, and no swap
[10:47] <ivoks> really?
[10:47] <ivoks> and it worked?
[10:47] <xero> ok, fixed it
[10:47] <rts23> ok, so i'm running gnome-cd and it keeps coming up with (gnome-cd:8255): GdkPixbuf-CRITICAL **: gdk_pixbuf_get_height: assertion `pixbuf != NULL' failed
[10:47] <ka24> and i dont believe you about kde using 80mb either.. you might be able to strip it down to bare minimum and not run anything other than a bare wm and get that
[10:47] <rts23> is that important?
[10:47] <ka24> but normal use, no way
[10:47] <kestas> bar twm, awm, bwm, cwm ... zwm its pretty much the fastest and least memory
[10:47] <ivoks> http://www.rasterman.com/
[10:47] <Ng> rts23: no, gtk and gdk like to spit out lots of errors that don't matter ;)
[10:48] <ivoks> i could agree that he's not objective
[10:48] <kestas> rts23: what does it say when it grashes
[10:48] <ivoks> but... http://www.rasterman.com/
[10:48] <rts23> that's cool
[10:48] <ivoks> you have the tool, you have the source, check for your self
[10:48] <rts23> kestas: i'm waiting to find out
[10:49] <xero> ivoks: if i drag and drop the .iso file is it going to burn it correctly?
[10:50] <ivoks> xero: no
[10:50] <ivoks> there is no draging and dropping iso images
[10:50] <kestas> enlightenment looks like the kind of wm which looks really great when you run enlightenment apps but terrible once you open anything else
[10:50] <ivoks> on any os :)
[10:50] <xero> lol, k
[10:51] <ivoks> kestas: that's gtk/qt problem, not window manager
[10:51] <nickrud> ivoks, very pretty
[10:51] <kestas> its not a problem for a window manager based on gtk
[10:51] <kestas> or a desktop environemnt
[10:51] <kestas> that is
[10:51] <ivoks> kestas: ?
[10:51] <ivoks> kestas: it isn't problem for gnome
[10:51] <thoreauputic> peter@prospero:~$ ps aux | grep fluxbox
[10:51] <thoreauputic> peter    10224  0.0  0.7   6780  3412 ?        S    Jun06   1:59 fluxbox
[10:51] <kestas> or xfce
[10:51] <nickrud> ivoks I needed one more lib, imlib2
[10:52] <thoreauputic> ivoks: I don't see this memory hog thing...
[10:52] <kestas> having different themes in different windows blows
[10:52] <rts23> kestas: no error message yet - the slider stops moving after the penultimate track, it keeps playing but after the cd finishes it stops responding
[10:52] <ivoks> kestas: you will see that gtk apps looks different on gnome and any other wm
[10:52] <kestas> and all the prettyness goes out the window
[10:52] <ivoks> kestas: there is simple reason: .gtkrc-gnome and .gtkrc
[10:52] <xero> can someone tell me how to burn an .iso image onto cd with k3b?
[10:52] <ka24> ivoks: no, a gtk app looks the same everywhere.. a gnome app, however..
[10:52] <kestas> simple reason, no simple solution
[10:53] <ivoks> ka24: not quite
[10:53] <kestas> ka24: you can theme gtk
[10:53] <ivoks> ka24: well...
[10:53] <ivoks> ka24: it looks same, but renders different :)
[10:53] <ka24> kestas: well, given the same or default theme of course
[10:54] <Ng> it'll be about 10 minutes after the enlightenment .17 release that someone puts out a gtk theme that looks the same ;)
[10:54] <Ng> when .17 will be released though..... ask a psychic ;)
[10:54] <ivoks> Ng: it's like debian :)
[10:54] <kestas> just put shadows everywhere and make everything stupidly transparent
[10:54] <xero> figured it out, nevermind
[10:54] <`psycho> psychic?
[10:54] <`psycho> WHERE?
[10:54] <kestas> so you can see 4 different lots of scrolling text in the same area of screen
[10:54] <Ng> ivoks: except debian actually just cut a release ;)
[10:55] <ivoks> Ng: e17 isn't based on e16
[10:55] <ka24> incidentally.. i like how rasterman compares the latest and greatest E with old and tired everything else
[10:55] <nickrud> well, to be honest, debian has taken only a bit longer than e17
[10:55] <ivoks> Ng: it takes time to write something from the begining
[10:55] <Ng> ivoks: I know, I vaguely know some of the guys working on it, I used to hang out in #e before kainx kicked a load of us out ;)
[10:55] <ivoks> ka24: i said, i agree it's subjective :)
[10:56] <xero> anyone know if GoblinX is worth while?
[10:56] <nickrud> ivoks so thanks, I appreciate the look
[10:56] <hunger> ka24: And that with the WM being responsible for the smallest part of the X-speed-experience anyway.
[10:56] <rts23> kestas: ok, it didn't come out with any error messages it just stopped responding, any ideas?
[10:56] <ka24> right
[10:56] <kestas> rts23: try using a different player see if it messes up
[10:57] <nickrud> these are some weird drag handles
[10:58] <rts23> kestas: will do - xine seems to work fine, it's just gnome-cd which gives me grief
[10:58] <kestas> hmmm
[10:58] <kestas> it does the same for different cds too?
[10:59] <rts23> kestas: yes
[10:59] <kestas> hmm
[10:59] <herpes> hi what is the default password for sudo on the ubuntu live cd?
[10:59] <ka24> what does dmesg have to say about it?
[11:00] <kestas> say about what?
[11:00] <xero> be back later. thanks
[11:00] <ka24> the cd crashing deal
[11:00] <ka24> i'll wager it's a read error
[11:00] <kestas> i'll wager it aint
[11:00] <kestas> actually no
[11:00] <kestas> might be
[11:00] <ka24> such is the nature of wagering :)
[11:01] <rts23> dmesg...how do i run that?
[11:01] <shawarma> rts23: open a term and type dmesg
[11:01] <thoreauputic> rts23: type it?
[11:01] <kestas> type dmesg in a terminal
[11:01] <rts23> threauputic: ok ok :P
[11:01] <thoreauputic> :)
[11:02] <kestas> wheres the wine chan?
[11:02] <kestas> could have sword Ive been there before
[11:02] <kestas> *sworn
[11:02] <rts23> dmesg has displayed tons of system messages...
[11:02] <ka24> i think #winehq here
[11:02] <kestas> rts23: go to the bottom
[11:02] <thoreauputic> kestas: #winehq
[11:02] <ka24> been a while though
[11:03] <rts23> kestas: so that's most recent yeah?
[11:03] <kestas> k thjanks
[11:04] <kestas> rts23: yeah
[11:04] <rts23> kestas: the most recent message was apparently the last time i mounted a DVD
[11:05] <rts23> which would probably have been at startup
[11:05] <kestas> well then it wasnt a read error, what do I win ka24? :)
[11:05] <ka24> lose my bet then :)
[11:05] <ka24> bragging rights? ;)
[11:05] <Imsdle> how do i write a command launcher
[11:05] <kestas> I shall use them :)
[11:05] <kestas> hmmm
[11:06] <hlux> hello, i 've read that ubuntu live cd has the amanda-client package installed, but i can't find it. does anybody know something about it ?
[11:06] <Imsdle> which will log in as a su
[11:06] <Imsdle> and do a command in terminal
[11:06] <kestas> sudo xterm -e "echo 'somecommand"
[11:06] <kestas> or something
[11:07] <Imsdle> where do i put the password?
[11:07] <thoreauputic> Imsdle:  ` gksudo xterm -e command `
[11:07] <thoreauputic> Imsdle: that should prompt for a sudo passwd
[11:07] <nickrud> i wish ivoks had hung around longer, that's a nice look at something I have wanted to see for a long time
[11:07] <kestas> Imsdle: if you want to be able to execute something as root without typing a password use visudo
[11:08] <kestas> Imsdle: but youll have to man sudo and man visudo first
[11:08] <Imsdle> dohh
[11:08] <Ng> nickrud: go and talk to some E developers then, they should be in #e or #e-develop or something :)
[11:08] <Imsdle> i don't want to :(
[11:08] <kestas> I know I know
[11:08] <nickrud> lol, I'm back in gnome at the moment
[11:08] <IIIEars> hlux - check out "Mondo" also
[11:09] <nickrud> e16 is what got me into linux in the first place, rasterman will always have a place in my heart
[11:09] <hlux> IIIEars : moondo is a live system  as well ?
[11:11] <rts23> hmmmm, i think i'll try sorting this another time.  i'll get CDs to default to xine for now
[11:11] <stevegriff> anyone run ubuntu on a 64bit system? is it sweeeet? will I still be able to use vmware, totem etc. ok?
[11:11] <stevegriff> :)
[11:11] <Ng> stevegriff: I'm using it
[11:11] <Ng> stevegriff: not everything that's 32bit will work
[11:12] <Ng> things like flash browser plugins won't work, mplayer/xine/gstreamer type things won't be able to use windows codecs
[11:12] <Ng> not sure about vmware
[11:12] <stevegriff> hmmmm
[11:12] <stevegriff> that's kinda sucky, but minor
[11:12] <rts23> ok folks, bye
[11:13] <Ng> stevegriff: I have a 32bit chroot install too so I can run mplayer with the win32 codecs
[11:13] <nickrud> Ng I've been thinking about a amd64, i've heard about running some things in a chnroot
[11:13] <nickrud> nm
[11:13] <stevegriff> vmware comes in a 64bit flavour, but will it run 32bit windows within it - most probably it will because it probably "emulates" a  32bit machine
[11:14] <stevegriff> Ng - how long would a 32bit chroot install take? sounds not difficult
[11:14] <Ubuntian> hello Ubuntu lovers, i've a question: i'm doing a local network with 2 computers, ubuntu on both, on the ubuntuguide.org it says: to add network users type smbpasswd -a system_username . system is the name of the computer or i leave it that way example system_mike ?
[11:14] <Ng> nickrud: it's quite nice imo :)
[11:14] <Ng> stevegriff: as long as it takes to download the packages, I think the base install works out to about 500mb or something.
[11:15] <stevegriff> ah right ok
[11:15] <Ng> then there's a tool called dchroot that makes running things from the chroot really easy :)
[11:15] <or1on> I'm having some problems with my internet connection and I hope maybe someone can give me the solution. Here's the thing: at home, we have a cable connection that is connected to my computer via hub. When I start ubuntu (hoary) up, everything works fine, but if I'm away for like  minutes or so (during that time the connection isn't used), the connection just gets lost. I don't know if there's a setting I should change or what? Anybody know what
[11:15] <or1on> to do?
[11:15] <nickrud> Ng roughly, can you get most everything working, with intelligent chroot usage?
[11:15] <topyli> Ubuntian: you don't really need samba when all you have are linux boxen
[11:15] <IIIEars> Hi Ubuntian - good samba question there are gurus here. - gotta be an answer.
[11:16] <stevegriff> ok, well I'm moving from gentoo to ubuntu - good move?
[11:16] <Ng> nickrud: anything 64bit will run fine in the normal install, anything 32bit will run fine from the chroot, the only time you hit a problem is when you try to mix them, e.g. firefox plugins - if you are running the 64bit firefox, 32bit plugins will not work, which means things like Real, Flash and so on are right out. Personally I like not having Flash and there's a firefox extension that lets you redirect embedded media to an external program, so I have it call the 32bi
[11:16] <Ng> stevegriff: I would say so, yes :)
[11:17] <stevegriff> I'm not too fussed having flash on my browser anyhow
[11:17] <stevegriff> so not too worried
[11:17] <stevegriff> epiphany or firefox - what do you guys use?
[11:18] <nickrud> epiphany
[11:18] <nickrud> or galeon
[11:18] <or1on> stevegriff: firefox (and of course with my favorite plugin Adblock :-) )
[11:18] <Ng> stevegriff: firefox :)
[11:18] <ka24> galeon
[11:18] <fcarlier> hello, anyone have a DVD ISO of ubuntu 5.04 on http server ??? (No bittorrent !)
[11:19] <nickrud> Ng so basically the only real issue you've had to deal with is the codecs and third party stuff
[11:19] <thenuke> fcarlier: use the official mirrors?
[11:19] <Ng> fcarlier: you can download it from the ubuntu site
[11:19] <stevegriff> I've been thinking about moving from epiphany to firefox... I take it firefox in ubuntu looks like a gnome app and is just as fast as eipiphany
[11:19] <fcarlier> because proxu/firewall in my enterprise !!
[11:19] <ka24> fcarlier: http is not a good protocol to use for a file that big.. use ftp
[11:19] <Ubuntian> topyli, so if i don't need samba what do i do?
[11:19] <Ng> nickrud: pretty much, yeah. I have an amd64 box at home too and I've been able to run cedega fine out of the choot and so on :)
[11:19] <fcarlier> ok : URL FTP ??
[11:19] <Ng> gotta have my Counterstrike fix ;)
[11:20] <Ubuntian> someone knows where the wiki is to make a network with ubuntu computers?
[11:20] <ka24> fcarlier: ftp.ubuntu.com or use the mirror list
[11:20] <IIIEars> stevegriff - nothing is as fast as epiphany - but firefox is fast enough.
[11:20] <or1on> is there nobody who can help me with my internetconnection-problem (see above) :-( ?
[11:20] <nickrud> Ng thanks
[11:20] <Ng> nickrud: np :)
[11:20] <stevegriff> IIIEars - thx
[11:20] <topyli> Ubuntian: well, what do you _want_ to do? :) share files? run servers? share the internet connection?
[11:21] <IIIEars> stevegriff - the tipping point for me was plug-ins.
[11:22] <fcarlier> ka24 : No DVD iso ?
[11:22] <ka24> maybe not on that mirror, i didnt look
[11:22] <drummer87> hi.. are the marillat repos still used, or are all the packages in backports (w32codecs, etc)?
[11:22] <SigNagE> Hi, you might remember me form such weeks as last week.
[11:22] <Ubuntian> topyli, share files and a printer which is connected to one computer?
[11:22] <SigNagE> i have a problem
[11:23] <ka24> of course you do
[11:23] <fcarlier> ftp.ubuntu.com : Nothing, have you a miror list
[11:23] <ka24> it's on the website
[11:23] <topyli> Ubuntian: the unix way would be to use nfs and cups for that. i don't, since i do have windows clients
[11:23] <fcarlier> ok i look
[11:24] <SigNagE> just got a new pc, trying to put ubuntu on it but in bios it wont let me set to boot from disk (only option is exit)
[11:24] <Ubuntian> topyli, cups is installed by default on ubuntu?
[11:24] <A[D] minS> fcarlier:  or try  rsync ftp.ubuntu.com::
[11:24] <SigNagE> any other way to get ubuntu onto the hd?
[11:25] <drummer87> ??
[11:25] <A[D] minS> SigNagE u mean to download it?
[11:25] <drummer87> anyone?
[11:25] <ka24> SigNagE: it doesnt have an option to choose where to boot from?
[11:25] <A[D] minS> or to install it from Harddisk?
[11:25] <SigNagE> im trying to get it onto my hard drive
[11:25] <nickrud> drummer87 the w32codecs are still the same
[11:25] <SigNagE> i have it on a cd
[11:25] <or1on> anybody here with cable-connection?
[11:25] <topyli> Ubuntian: yes
[11:25] <IIIEars> SigNagE - It won't boot from the CD? - no boot priority options in the bios????!
[11:25] <tkiesel> I've got an interesting audio question about the Gnome Volume Control, if anyone's up for it.
[11:26] <SigNagE> there are boot options, i just cant access them
[11:26] <A[D] minS> SigNagE: if u have linux u can install from it
[11:26] <topyli> Ubuntian: you _could_ use samba just as well though :)
[11:26] <nickrud> drummer87 I've been warned by people who know more than me to avoid most everything else from marillat, since sarge is now released
[11:26] <A[D] minS> using chroot
[11:26] <SigNagE> i dont
[11:26] <IIIEars> SigNagE - No options in the bios?
[11:26] <SigNagE> there are boot options, i just cant access them
[11:26] <ka24> SigNagE: think you're going to have to read the book on your motherboard or pc for this one.. there are too many bios types for us to walk you through
[11:26] <A[D] minS> what do u mean by can't access them
[11:27] <fcarlier> no dvd iso !!! ;((
[11:27] <SigNagE> only option i have in bios is exit
[11:27] <IIIEars> SigNagE - Why is that? O_o
[11:27] <A[D] minS> ok SigNagE  u can make floppy boot then mount cd to read from it
[11:27] <SigNagE> if i knew that do you think id be asking for help ;)
[11:28] <IIIEars> LOL - 1pt signage 0 for the ubuntuans.
[11:28] <A[D] minS> SigNagE:  do u have auto boot from floppy or u have to access it first from ur Motherboard?
[11:28] <SigNagE> A[D] minS, id need to tell it to boot form floppy wouldnt i?
[11:28] <A[D] minS> yeah
[11:29] <SigNagE> i tried putting my hd into another setup and installing it on there then putting it into my new system, but it said there was a kernel panic or something
[11:29] <A[D] minS> but most pc .. da  defult of boot is from floppy then HD
[11:29] <drummer87> thanks nickrud, i found w32codecs in backports anyway..
[11:29] <user_> hi
[11:29] <A[D] minS> SigNagE:  maybe u install it under hdc and when u connected ur harddisk ..connect as hda
[11:30] <SigNagE> hdc/hda?
[11:30] <ake> pool/main/x/xpdf/xpdf_3.00.orig.tar.gz is missing from archive.ubuntu.com is that intentional? The Sources file for hoary is claiming it should be there...
[11:30] <IIIEars> Master HD install transfered and put later on the slave end of the cable - GRUB became confused
[11:32] <nickrud> or1on I would, but I have no cable modem :)
[11:32] <IIIEars> SigNagE - a challenging question.
[11:32] <or1on> ah k, there's the problem then :(
[11:33] <IIIEars> SigNagE - I am still baffled why does the bios not allow booting from the CD?
[11:34] <or1on> nickrud but do you happen to know if there is a setting to keep the internetconnection pending, even when you're not active?
[11:34] <SigNagE> so am i :P
[11:34] <A[D] minS> SigNagE look i will tell u something to try ok
[11:34] <nickrud> or1on not a clue, ask me about pppoe, and I could help :)
[11:34] <A[D] minS> do u have to cables for harddisk right?
[11:34] <SigNagE> one power and one big thing?
[11:34] <hlux> amanda packages are supposed to be in section universe in all three distributions. (warty, hoary, breezy) can anybody tell me why i can't find them in the running live system ?
[11:34] <SigNagE> (ide i think its called)
[11:35] <A[D] minS> try to connect ur harddisk from all and test which one will work without kernel
[11:35] <A[D] minS> ok ide is have to socets
[11:35] <A[D] minS> right one in da first of cable and one in middle
[11:35] <A[D] minS> try to connect ur harddisk from all and test which one will work without kernel erorr
[11:35] <SigNagE> should it work if i install it on another setup then put it into this pc?
[11:36] <A[D] minS> should
[11:36] <A[D] minS> but as was ur harddisk connected to other pc
[11:36] <or1on> nickrud thx anyway, I'm off to eat our world-famous belgian fries (the best!) :)
[11:36] <SigNagE> what gives the error kernal panic, syncronise error (or similar)
[11:36] <A[D] minS> u have to connect with the same socet
[11:36] <nickrud> or1on is it true you put mayonaisse on your fries ;)
[11:37] <SigNagE> ok
[11:37] <SigNagE> (mayo + friend rule)
[11:37] <A[D] minS> try to test all
[11:37] <nickrud> sorry, that's the dutch :)
[11:37] <snader> or1on: you could set up a cron job that pings some host every minute or something
[11:37] <snader> it's not really a "solution" though
[11:37] <nickrud> a hack is
[11:38] <or1on> humz, I think there might be an setting in ubuntu
[11:38] <nickrud> a 'solution', until something better comes along
[11:38] <or1on> I never had the problem with other distributions
[11:38] <sobersabre> how can I create openoffice debian package out of OO2 distribution from the OO.org site ?
[11:38] <snader> i really can't think of a setting that would result in that kind of behaviour
[11:38] <sobersabre> i mean openoffice2
[11:38] <snader> i have cable myself
[11:39] <snader> never had that kind of issues
[11:39] <or1on> strange :/
[11:39] <tkiesel> Does anyone know how to link two mono channels together in Gnome Volume Control?
[11:39] <or1on> I'll ask around at school
[11:39] <sobersabre> tkiesel, i think you should use jackd
[11:39] <or1on> it's informatics, so somebody has to know :)
[11:40] <snader> heh
[11:40] <snader> perhaps your dhcp release expires or something
[11:40] <snader> lease*
[11:40] <tkiesel> sobersabre: JACK will allow me to do that, and have a nice little volume slider desktop widget?
[11:40] <Rumbo> hi, does someone know how you can tell ubuntu to show your desktop on an external monitor? (i connected my laptop to my external monitor)
[11:41] <or1on> I'll check it out
[11:41] <SigNagE> ok, i tried booting from different cables and it still had a problem
[11:41] <SigNagE> (something about a GRUB Error 22 this time)
[11:41] <sobersabre> tkiesel, i don't about nice/not nice. you will be able to do whatever you want. route audio etc. with realtime scheduling.
[11:41] <or1on> but my knowledge of networking is very limited
[11:41] <snader> or1on: the lease time depends on your provider
[11:41] <IIIEars> SigNagE - getting closer. - doh :?
[11:41] <Imsdle> i have connected an old hard dsik from my old ubuntu computer, i have access to it but i can't find where evolution sores files... doesn't anyone know where these are
[11:42] <or1on> that shouldn't be a problem, I think ...
[11:42] <or1on> well, my fries await so I'm off
[11:42] <tkiesel> sobersabre: *nods*  I've got jack going for Ardour and such. Maybe I'll have that be my default even during casual listening.
[11:42] <snader> :)
[11:42] <or1on> thx flks
[11:43] <SigNagE> should i format that hd, put it in here and install ubuntu on it and try again? (after i get this working il probably need help setting up my wireless network)
[11:43] <tkiesel> sobersabre: The only need for the linked channels was to make on the fly adjusts easier during my casual listening time. Right now, with my M-Audio Delta 410, left and right of the stereo mix have separate volumes. Heehee.
[11:43] <nickrud> Imsdle evolution stores it's stuff under ~/.evolution, in a very complex manner.
[11:44] <ukato> would anyone know how to set the default screen resolution in X
[11:44] <sobersabre> tkiesel,  you use delta 410 ? :)
[11:44] <nickrud> Imsdle you trying to pull out your mail?
[11:44] <Shufla> hello :)
[11:44] <tkiesel> sobersabre: Yep. Just installed it a few days ago.
[11:44] <sobersabre> why don't u use native ice24 mixer ?
[11:44] <IIIEars> SigNage - Are you familiar with "Sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg , - killing an xserver CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE, and lspci to list all pci devices connected?
[11:44] <sobersabre> there's something ... i don't remember the app name... look at alsa site
[11:45] <tkiesel> sobersabre: Dropped it in, and it started working without a hitch. Just some issues with ESD adn ALSA not playing nice with each other, but I think that's a general Hoary issue.
[11:45] <SigNagE> IIIEars, no.
[11:45] <sobersabre> they've got a nice app to control delta etc. cards... i don't rememeber it is envy or ice
[11:45] <nickrud> IIIEars it's not good to ctl-alt-backspace, except at the login screen.
[11:45] <IIIEars> SigNagE - The display will be setup for the other machine...
[11:45] <tkiesel> I remember seeing the kernel module on the ALSA site, but not a mixer app.
[11:46] <SigNagE> wow
[11:46] <sobersabre> tkiesel, what is your audio settings for gstreamer ?
[11:46] <SigNagE> wb
[11:46] <sobersabre> split...
[11:46] <sobersabre> tkiesel, you've here, right ?
[11:46] <sobersabre> i mean you're
[11:46] <tkiesel> sobersabre: That I am.
[11:46] <tkiesel> sobersabre: For gstreamer? I don't know. Don't think I ever messed with them.
[11:47] <poofyhair> hmm
[11:47] <Rumbo> hi, does someone know how you can tell ubuntu to show your desktop on an external monitor? (i connected my laptop to my external monitor)
[11:48] <kestas> NETSPLIT!!!
[11:48] <Amaranth> heh
[11:48] <Amaranth> i was on the wrong end of the split, it sucked
[11:48] <Amaranth> ubotu: rootsudo
[11:48] <ubotu> Amaranth: Wish i knew
[11:48] <poofyhair> what make of laptop is it?
[11:48] <Rumbo> it's a "cybercom" unknown brand :-)
[11:48] <Rumbo> geforce4 go as vid chipset
[11:48] <Amaranth> No one try to use the bot, it is currently broken. Trying to use it might break it more.
[11:49] <poofyhair> good its nvidia
[11:49] <poofyhair> have you installed the nvidia settings thing?
[11:49] <IIIEars> SigNagE - Display http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:49] <Rumbo> i installed nothing nvidia - wise after the ubuntu installation
[11:49] <ukato> would anyone know how to set the default screen resolution in X?
[11:50] <Rumbo> is there a package with nvidia settings utilities in it?
[11:50] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: a case of severe amnesia, apparently...
[11:50] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: the database corrupted
[11:50] <thoreauputic> ah
[11:50] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: trying to use it more could corrupt it more, i don't know how these things work
[11:50] <poofyhair> sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[11:51] <poofyhair> sudo gedit /usr/share/applications/NVIDIA-Settings.desktop
[11:51] <thoreauputic> right - I'll leave it alone then
[11:51] <Amaranth> I guess I really don't need to +q it though.
[11:51] <poofyhair> http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[11:51] <IIIEars> ukato - you can do it easily using "System" >> "Preferences" "Screen Resolution" - there is a check box that asks if you would like a default setting.
[11:51] <poofyhair> add that
[11:51] <poofyhair> then you get nvidia settings
[11:52] <ukato> IIIEars, is that in GNOME?
[11:52] <IIIEars> ukato - yes GNOME
[11:53] <ukato> i'm trying to use fluxbox
[11:53] <ukato> so i tried looking throuhg the xorg.conf file
[11:53] <IIIEars> Oh - okay. XORG.conf - E-eek!
[11:54] <snader> ukato: you have to look in the "Screen" section then
[11:54] <snader> SubSection "Display
[11:55] <ukato> snader, alright, let me bring it up again
[11:55] <snader> k
[11:55] <snader> check the DefaultDepth setting, usually it's 24
[11:55] <snader> then, on the subsection for that depth, theck the "Modes" line
[11:55] <Rumbo> poofyhair - thanx for the help installing those things
[11:56] <ukato> snader, i'm there
[11:56] <snader> here, it says "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[11:56] <snader> default res is the first one
[11:56] <ukato> does the order matter
[11:56] <snader> yes
[11:56] <ukato> of those groups of resolutions
[11:56] <ukato> ok
[11:56] <snader> the first one is default
[11:57] <ukato> gotcha
[11:57] <ukato> so just replace the first one with what i want it to be?
[11:57] <IIIEars> snader - CTRL+ALT+#PAD_PLUS won't change resolutions?
[11:57] <snader> yeah, it will
[11:57] <snader> eh yeah ukato
[11:57] <snader> IIIEars: it won't change the default though
[11:58] <ukato> okay
[11:58] <snader> ukato: make sure you have your xorg.conf backupped in case you messed up :-)
[11:58] <ukato> so now i have two of the same resolutions in that list
[11:58] <ukato> oh of course
[11:58] <ukato> i've messed up enough already =P
[11:58] <snader> eh, what does it look like now? the line?
[12:00] <`psycho> ok, can somebody please explain to my why the damn "x" process uses +30% CPU when i do NOTHING??
[12:00] <Guybrush|Numb> psycho, try running "top" and pressing shift+P
[12:01] <Guybrush|Numb> see which process is working
[12:01] <Guybrush|Numb> (they are ordered by CPU usage)
[12:01] <ukato> SubSection "Display"
[12:01] <ukato> 		Depth		24
[12:01] <ukato> 		Modes		"1280x1024" "1792x1344" "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[12:01] <ukato> 	EndSubSection
[12:01] <`psycho> run "top"?
[12:01] <`psycho> nothing happens
[12:02] <thoreauputic> `psycho: erm - in a terminal?
[12:02] <ukato> snader, think that will cause problems?
[12:02] <snader> ukato: looks good, you can remove the second "1280x1024"
[12:02] <thoreauputic> type top <enter> ?
[12:02] <ukato> okay
[12:02] <Guybrush|Numb> thanks thoreauputic, never assume nothing  :-)
[12:03] <ukato> should i replace it with what i had in the first set of quotes?
[12:03] <ablyss> anyone know the shell command to capture screen images?
[12:03] <`psycho> well yea..
[12:03] <`psycho> xorg
[12:03] <thoreauputic> Guybrush|Numb: *grin* - do you remember that first time you saw a command prompt ?
[12:03] <Guybrush|Numb> anyone can tell me if there's a way to unpack a deb package, modifying its dependencies (control file) and repackaging it, without access to the source package?
[12:04] <Guybrush|Numb> eheh
[12:04] <Guybrush|Numb> psycho, which is the second one ?
[12:04] <snader> ukato: eh, not sure what you mean
[12:04] <ukato> alright
[12:04] <ukato> well, i backed it up
[12:04] <ukato> so it's fine
[12:04] <`psycho> very low activity...
[12:04] <`psycho> less then 1%...
[12:05] <ukato> snader, do you use fluxbox by chance
[12:05] <snader> ukato: yes
[12:05] <Burgundavia> Guybrush|Numb, no
[12:05] <Burgundavia> Guybrush|Numb, but rebuilding is pretty easy, if you have the sources
[12:05] <thoreauputic> ablyss: install imagemagick, then use ` import -window root screenshot.png `
[12:05] <thoreauputic> ablyss: for example
[12:05] <IIIEars> Guybrush - being new i new very little i do have a few links to something called pinning - does that sound like what you need?
[12:05] <Guybrush|Numb> unfortunately it's a binary only package, i need to fix it and can't wait for the author
[12:05] <Guybrush|Numb> IIIEars, no but thanks anyway :)
[12:06] <Burgundavia> Guybrush|Numb, which package?
[12:06] <ukato> snader, oh i see.
[12:06] <Guybrush|Numb> libviaxvmc (Unichrome mpeg2 decoding hardware acceleration) compiled for sarge, has broken deps on ubuntu but works perfectly :-|
[12:07] <ukato> snader, can i bother you for a sec
[12:07] <snader> yes :)
[12:07] <snader> ukato: brb
[12:08] <Burgundavia> Guybrush|Numb, is it a DFSG-free program? can it be included into debian?
[12:08] <plod[wk] > there an easy way to tell if your processor is 32 or 64 bit?
[12:08] <Guybrush|Numb> `psycho: strange... how much cpu is xorg using ?
[12:08] <`psycho> heh 20, 30, 40 and evne more
[12:08] <`psycho> *even
[12:08] <`psycho> i can't explain why
[12:08] <`psycho> :X
[12:09] <Rumbo> guys i got another question: just bought a logitech dinovo keyboar/mice (wireless) combo...anyone know how to install this thing in ubuntu?
[12:09] <thoreauputic> plod: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:09] <thoreauputic> plod[wk] : ^^^
[12:10] <Guybrush|Numb> Burgundavia, i'm pretty sure it is, but yet it's in heavy development, sort of bleeding edge. A guy took a cvs snapshot, compiled and got a binary package, but i need to fix its dependencies for ubuntu and can't wait for him (i need it more or less NOW) :)
[12:10] <sobersabre> guys what can cause such effect:
[12:10] <jono> hi all
[12:10] <jono> is gnome dependent on gstreamer?
[12:10] <sobersabre> 2 nics, eth0 - external. eth1 - internal. same model ( bcm5700 )
[12:10] <Guybrush|Numb> jono: i suppose the other way around
[12:10] <sobersabre> i can arping anything in both networks.
[12:10] <Ng> gstreamer doesn't depend on gnome
[12:10] <plod[wk] > mmmm, dont see 32 bit in there, presumeably it will be somewhere in a 64bit one, must be an easier way, trying to get my script to check
[12:10] <sobersabre> but i can ping only external hosts.
[12:11] <Burgundavia> jono, and some of gnome depends on gstreamer
[12:11] <jono> I want to build a CVS copy of gstreamer and as such uninstall the ubuntu packages
[12:11] <sobersabre> routing table is similar to 26 other machines
[12:11] <sobersabre> that do work.
[12:11] <sobersabre> any ideas ?
[12:11] <Guybrush|Numb> `psycho: very strange, if there's no other process doing anything
[12:11] <sobersabre> i can ping both interfaces.
[12:11] <Ng> jono: might be worth trying to build packages of the CVS version
[12:12] <`psycho> nope
[12:12] <`psycho> nothing else
[12:12] <`psycho> can u check it up over ssh?
[12:15] <thoreauputic> plod[wk] : maybe use uname -m
[12:16] <raptoid> processor family -- my processor amd 2200+ kernel options what is correct (386) ? (Athlon/Duron/K7) ?
[12:17] <raptoid> help
[12:18] <aapelii> raptoid: what does cat /proc/cpuinfo say
[12:18] <ptlo> 'lo all
[12:18] <sobersabre> what is data throughput of SATA channel ??
[12:18] <raptoid> aapelii,  model name      : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2200+
[12:19] <raptoid> cpu family      : 6
[12:19] <ptlo> is it possible to install gcc4 in parallel with gcc3.x in hoary? i'd like to test it but don't want to switch over completely...
[12:19] <plod[wk] > thoreauputic using php i did this: $maxbits = (intval('2147483648') != 2147483647) ? 64 : 32;
[12:20] <aapelii> raptoid: I think that is k7
[12:20] <raptoid> my kernel --> Athlon/Duron/K7 -- correct ?
[12:21] <Ng> yes, an athlon 2200+ is k7
[12:21] <tkiesel> Yep. Athlon, Athlon XP, Duron ---> k7
[12:22] <Rumbo> k7...when ubuntu boots with me it gives kernel xxxxx -386
[12:22] <Rumbo> would it be better if it had k7 at the end?
[12:23] <Rumbo> if so..how would one change from 386 kernel to k7 type kernel?
[12:23] <konrad> hi
[12:24] <konrad> yester I was problem with new kernel and upgraded libc6
[12:24] <konrad> */I had
[12:24] <konrad> hopefully I had PLD Live-CD :) (non-debian distop, based on RPM, but like Debian)
[12:25] <konrad> do know maybe mplayer packages without need to upgrade libc6?
[12:25] <thoreauputic> Rumbo: apt-cache search linux-image | grep k7
[12:25] <thoreauputic> Rumbo: then install the one you want
[12:25] <Rumbo> does it not conflict with the already installed kernel?
[12:25] <konrad> Rumbo: or use grate piece of software - Aptitude
[12:25] <Rumbo> or do you have to deinstall that one
[12:26] <konrad> Rumbo: use APtitude
[12:26] <thoreauputic> Rumbo: apt takes care of that for you
[12:26] <thoreauputic> or aptitude...
[12:26] <aapelii> Rumbo: Just make sure the new kernel is default when you boot
[12:26] <konrad> Rumbo: it will automagicaly uninstall old kernel and install new (if you want that)
[12:27] <thoreauputic> Rumbo: your existing kernel will remain as a fall back anyway, unless you remove it
[12:27] <Rumbo> i'll try it... reason is that the k7 will probably run faster (i have to run lots of ns2 simulations)
[12:27] <topyli> Rumbo: keep the old one until you're sure the new one boots and works ok
[12:28] <thoreauputic> Rumbo: don't choose a 2.6.11 kernel  though
[12:28] <thoreauputic> it's not supported and has issues
[12:28] <SigNagE> ok, i got it working
[12:28] <Rumbo> is there a short command to see what version of kernel i am running now?
[12:29] <thoreauputic> uname -a
[12:29] <aapelii> uname -a
[12:29] <thoreauputic> or uname -r
[12:29] <Rumbo> ok 2.6.10-5-386
[12:29] <topyli> Rumbo: or cat /proc/version :)
[12:29] <ana150> hi, i installed ubuntu in server-expertmode and then downloaded gnome, now when im trying to startx it says that it cannot be started, what should i do?
[12:29] <aapelii> Is there some place where I can see if I am running the latest ubuntu version of the kernel?
[12:30] <aapelii> I mean the -34 or what is the latest version
[12:31] <topyli> aapelii: normal system upgrades should take care of that
[12:31] <thoreauputic> aapelii: dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[12:32] <aapelii> why is there not -34 as extravesion or something?
[12:32] <SigNagE> anyone know where to find drivers for wireless cards?
[12:32] <Dragec> Hi all!
[12:32] <SigNagE> hi
[12:32] <thoreauputic> aapelii: the command I showed will have the suffix in the package name
[12:32] <Dragec> Just installed Ubuntu
[12:33] <Dragec> Hoary Hedgehog
[12:33] <SigNagE> do you know where to get good wireless network drivers?
[12:33] <Dragec> For what card?
[12:33] <topyli> Dragec: congratulations :)
[12:33] <thoreauputic> Dragec: welcome to Ubuntu :)
[12:33] <Dragec> Thanx.
[12:33] <Dragec> But, there is one big problem
[12:33] <SigNagE> D-link DWL-320+
[12:33] <Dragec> As ordinary user, i have no sound
[12:34] <Dragec> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Permission denied
[12:34] <Dragec> I tried chmod 755 /dev/snd/*
[12:34] <konrad> SigNagE: ndiswrapper is what you need (probably)
[12:34] <Dragec> But doesnt work
[12:34] <tahorg> Dragec: add your user to audio group
[12:35] <Dragec> Any ideas? Modules are properly loaded, and as root I can run alsamixer
[12:35] <Dragec> tahorg: tried that, no go
[12:35] <Dragec> usermod -G audio dragec
[12:35] <hondje> Out of curiousity, why does one have to restart X for the cursor to change?
[12:35] <Dragec> but still nothing
[12:35] <topyli> user has a fresh shell or login?
[12:35] <tahorg> Dragec: you need 775 then
[12:36] <tahorg> not 755
[12:36] <Dragec> modules are loaded, and as root I can hear sound and run alsamixer
[12:36] <jf6> hi all
[12:36] <jf6> who know wher i can dl Lives?
[12:36] <tahorg> group write
[12:36] <SigNagE> and does anyone know a good place to learn linux?
[12:36] <Dragec> chmod 775 /dev/snd/*
[12:36] <hondje> SigNagE: Well, you don't learn to drive by reading a car manual, I know that much :)
[12:36] <Dragec> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Permission denied
[12:36] <Dragec> crap :(
[12:37] <thoreauputic> SigNagE: umm... that's a pretty general question
[12:37] <tahorg> Dragec: what the cmd groups say ?
[12:37] <tahorg> Dragec: you have to de-log/re-log
[12:37] <aapelii> Dragec: maybe /dev/dsp?
[12:38] <Dragec> Hm, wait a minute, brb
[12:38] <tkiesel> SigNagE: Employ multiple methods. Learn it by doing it. And learn it by reading it.  Whatever you read, do. That's been my strategy.
[12:39] <thoreauputic> SigNagE: for commands etc a good place to start is http://tuxfiles.org
[12:40] <topyli> SigNagE: also, debian has excellent documentation which you can install on your ubuntu system
[12:41] <user_> hi
[12:43] <Guybrush|Numb> Burgundavia: it's possible to modify and repackage debian packages
[12:43] <Guybrush|Numb> Burgundavia: and it is not even difficult :)
[12:43] <Guybrush|Numb> Burgundavia: if you are interested ->   http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/116
[12:45] <xero> man im addicted to linux now
[12:45] <ana150> hi, i just installed ubuntu in expert-mode and downloaded gnome with apt-get, how can i get x start now?
[12:46] <A[D] minS> type startx
[12:46] <philuk86> xero: whys that?
[12:46] <aapelii> startx?
[12:46] <ana150> it says some error
[12:46] <aapelii> ana150: what?
[12:46] <hondje> ana150: try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[12:47] <ana150> hondje: sounds good, even i don't know what it does
[12:47] <ana150> aapelii: it's too much problem to switch screens
[12:47] <xero> phluk86: its just so much better than windows in so many ways. so customizable
[12:47] <hondje> starts gdm (the login screen)
[12:47] <philuk86> xero: ubuntu your first distro?
[12:49] <we2by> what program do u use for rss feeds?
[12:49] <xero> philuk86: yea, im looking to some others right now
[12:49] <thoreauputic> we2by: liferea or straw
[12:49] <hondje> anyone here handy with package building?
[12:49] <thoreauputic> we2by: liferea is quite good
[12:50] <we2by> with gui?
[12:50] <thoreauputic> we2by: yes
[12:50] <ana150> hondje: didn't work, but i found out that i don't even have gdm, so im downloading it now
[12:50] <xero> philuk86: i tried out the GoblinX Live CD.  now im gonna try out h3knix
[12:50] <thoreauputic> we2by: both are with gui
[12:50] <hondje> ana150: good deal :)
[12:51] <aapelii> xero: Try installing gentoo, you learn quite much doing so.
[12:51] <philuk86> xero: i have a box of about 20 distros, stuck with one in the end though
[12:51] <refuze2looze> how can i delete a directory from the terminal? i've tried rm -d, rm -dr, rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty.. none of them work
[12:51] <aapelii> rm -rf
[12:51] <xero> aapelii: k ill check it out
[12:51] <hondje> Well, I'll just toss this out there.  I'm building a deb of transcode, but I have a ton of dev libs installed, and it's enabling a lot more futures than in rules...how can I get dpkg to obey rules?
[12:51] <AvvY_> xero: dont use gentoo, its eveil!
[12:51] <xero> philuk86: is ubuntu your top choice?
[12:52] <we2by> backport sucks
[12:52] <refuze2looze> aapelii: okay that worked.. thanks
[12:52] <we2by> :(
[12:52] <ana150> hondje: now it says that x server isn't configured right :/
[12:52] <hondje> avoid the backports!
[12:52] <xero> haha, sup AvvY_. i like the underscore
[12:52] <aapelii> xero: Its quite much work, and it is not too good (IMHO) when you finally get it installed
[12:52] <hondje> ana150: well, you DID pick expert mode ;-)
[12:52] <hondje> ana150: did it make a error log?
[12:52] <aapelii> but you learn a lot
[12:52] <philuk86> xero: in my opinion ubuntu is very good in certain situations, but i prefer slackware on my server.
[12:52] <AvvY_> xero: its coz my pervious session hasnt pinged out yet
[12:52] <Rumbo> i got the new kernel k7 running great now.and also got my external monitor set up (resoluation still needs some tweaking), but when i close my laptop-lid, it power-saves I presume and switches off the monitor signal
[12:52] <Rumbo> is there a way to not let this happen?
[12:52] <ana150> hondje: well i had to since i didn't want to install kde, since i only had kubunu cd
[12:52] <AvvY_> xero: id stick with ubuntu so u get the hang of linux before messing with other distros
[12:53] <hondje> ana150: ah :) Well, there's some voodoo xorg conf thing that I don't recall, but everyone else knows it
[12:53] <hondje> So wait for them to drop the science
[12:53] <ana150> :D
[12:53] <IIIEars> Good Night! "Pay it Forward"
[12:53] <xero> avvy_: alright, i just want to explore my options ;)
[12:53] <we2by> for home user, I think ubuntu isthe best
[12:53] <we2by> tis support channel is awsome
[12:53] <thoreauputic> ana150: I suggest you ` sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop `
[12:54] <hondje> thoreauputic always has the most reasonable solution :)
[12:54] <ana150> thoreauputic: thanks for the info <3
[12:54] <aapelii> we2by: I think there is no distribution that is the best...
[12:54] <AvvY_> xero: yeah good idea, I did too, but things would have been easier had i found Ubuntu in the first place
[12:54] <xero> avvy_: i might switch it up to Kubuntu. basically the same commands as Ubuntu right?
[12:54] <we2by> aapelii, ofcourse, I mean best for me
[12:54] <hondje> xero: only the GUI is different
[12:54] <xero> right
[12:54] <topyli> anybody else losing menu items lately?
[12:55] <AvvY_> xero: yep, but you will need to download 350 packages if u use syndaptic/apt-get
[12:55] <ana150> thoreauputic: hah :D only 200mb, might take some time...
[12:55] <thoreauputic> ana150: heh :)
[12:56] <ana150> thoreauputic: seems like 2min :D
[12:56] <xero> my Kubuntu CD just finished burning.. im wait a while before i switch it up tho
[12:56] <ana150> not that much i expected
[12:56] <AvvY_> xero: oh u downloaded the kubuntu iso, fair enough
[12:56] <xero> avvy_ hehe yea
[12:56] <AvvY_> woot
[12:57] <AvvY> i pwn
[12:57] <xero> lol
[12:57] <hondje> cogito ergo pwn
[12:57] <ana150> i first tried kubuntu and liked it, but when i began making my own themes... CRASH BOOM menus disapeared and other stuff
[12:57] <ana150> kubuntu works, if you don't customize anything :D
[12:58] <technomage> hi all ubuntu users
[12:58] <xero> damn i gotta buy me a new CD case for all my distro CDs
[12:58] <A[D] minS> loool sure ana150 ?
[12:58] <xero> hiya technomage
[12:58] <ana150> A[D] minS: that's true, but it didn't go actually like crash boom :D
[12:59] <umaheru> whats a good network monitor which comes with ubuntu?
[12:59] <ana150> menu items disapeared, and i couldn't get some of them back
[01:00] <technomage> and again, I have a question about device mapper
[01:00] <|iggy|> hi all i have problem by installing driconf with python it tells me:  unable to open /usr/lib/python2.4/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)
[01:01] <|iggy|> what can i do
[01:01] <technomage> I've compiled new kernel and during boot i see messages: device-mapper: dm-linear: device lookup failed. What does it mean?
[01:01] <xero> my damn wireless mouse keeps running out of power...
[01:02] <raptoid> what is kernel update for apt-get ?
[01:02] <AvvY> "the bit torrent tracker is down" ITS DOWN! OMG WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO?
[01:02] <raptoid> sorry little speak english
[01:02] <AvvY> raptoid: run apt-get upgrade
[01:02] <thoreauputic> raptoid: apt-cache search linux-image ; choose : sudo apt-get install <choice>
[01:04] <thoreauputic> raptoid: do not choose 2.6.11 however
[01:04] <xero> alright, im off to work on some stuff.. ill be back in a little while
[01:04] <raptoid> thnx thoreauputic
[01:04] <xero> later avvy
[01:04] <thoreauputic> raptoid: you're welcome :)
[01:04] <raptoid> tho why 2.6.10 ?
[01:05] <raptoid> thoreauputic,
[01:05] <raptoid> sorry
[01:05] <thoreauputic> 2.6.11 is not supported and has issues
[01:05] <topyli> raptoid: because it works :)
[01:06] <aapelii> first thing to learn about linux: bigger version number is not always better ;)
[01:06] <hondje> especially since they made 2.6.11 a free for all
[01:06] <raptoid> my processor AMD athlon 2200+ XP -- linux-image-2.6.10-5-k7 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.10 on AMD K7. CORRECT ?
[01:07] <aapelii> yes
[01:07] <raptoid> aapelii, ook
[01:08] <hondje> anyone feeling dumb enough to try some pkgs I just whipped up?
[01:09] <aapelii> Im dumb, but Im not sure if I am _that_ dumb ;)
[01:09] <hondje> :-D
[01:09] <aapelii> what are they?
[01:09] <hondje> transcode
[01:09] <hondje> Just wanna make sure it'll run on something besides my box before sending them to my friend
[01:09] <thoreauputic> hondje: rootkit_0.0.1_.deb ? </joke>
[01:10] <hondje> thekoreuk: E: Not installation target for libh4x0r.so.0.1.3. Stop.
[01:11] <aapelii> hondje: where I can get it?
[01:11] <JWaM> re !!
[01:11] <thoreauputic> hondje: you needed  libh4x0r.so.0.1.3-dev *g*
[01:11] <JWaM> voil je suis connect enfin avec ubuntu
[01:11] <scanwinder> in apollon, when u click on the player thing, it says u need 2 install the KDE multimedia-video package...........anyone know what package thats referring to? i can find kde-multimedia............but not kde-multimedia-video
[01:12] <hondje> aapelii: I'll msg you the url in a second, I'm compiling a second one that should work fine
[01:12] <refuze2looze> scanwinder: ypu should try that one
[01:12] <aapelii> hondje: ok
[01:12] <scanwinder> i have tried it.......and it still says i need 2 install KDE multimedia-video
[01:13] <refuze2looze> dunno.. maybe you can search what package containts that on packages.ubuntulinux.org
[01:13] <hondje> aapelii: warning, it has a TON of dependancies
[01:13] <refuze2looze> or whatever the website was
[01:13] <MetalWolf> hi quick question... has anyone had a problem with the grub boot loader installed with ubuntu?  it added windows ot the list but it doesn't actually work
[01:14] <aapelii> hondje: well, they should be easy to uninstall...
[01:15] <MetalWolf> I'm thinking the problem is related to the fact that the bootloader has been installed onto my linux hard drive which is IDE and my windows drive is SATA
[01:17] <scanwinder> lol i had a similar prob when i was using suse except i had suse on my sata drive and windows on ide
[01:17] <scanwinder> i fixed that by putting the bootloader on the windows drive
[01:18] <MetalWolf> I tried that under FC3 when I used to run that
[01:18] <MetalWolf> i forget how i did it
[01:18] <MetalWolf> but I ended up destroying both the windows and linux bootloader
[01:18] <Turoq> hey
[01:18] <scanwinder> lol been there, done that
[01:18] <MetalWolf> do you remember what u did to fix it?
[01:18] <Turoq> i have both, ubuntu and windows on my hard drive but ubuntu is so good that i dont need windows, si i would like to resize windows partition and give that free space to linux
[01:19] <scanwinder> i didnt actually do it........i went 2 some PLUG(perth linux users group) workshop and sum1 did it for me
[01:19] <Turoq> i can resize windows partition with partitionmagic but how do i join it to /dev/hda7 :S
[01:19] <MetalWolf> ahhh
[01:19] <MetalWolf> Perth Australia?
[01:19] <scanwinder> yep
[01:19] <MetalWolf> ok cuz there is a perth really near me
[01:19] <MetalWolf> LOL
[01:20] <scanwinder> lol
[01:20] <hondje> Are binaries compiled with microsoft's compiler encumbered in any way?
[01:20] <aapelii> MetalWolf: try reading gentoo installation documentation, the part about boot loader. There should be some instructions...
[01:20] <scanwinder> there's another PLUG workshop on the 27th
[01:20] <scanwinder> www.plug.org.au
[01:20] <scanwinder> mayb u could go
[01:21] <MetalWolf> not a bad idea aapelii
[01:21] <MetalWolf> scanwinder, I'm in scotland
[01:21] <MetalWolf> its not the same Perth lol
[01:21] <thoreauputic> MetalWolf: yours is the original :)
[01:22] <MetalWolf> yup :)
[01:22] <thoreauputic> but much colder I expect...
[01:22] <MetalWolf> altho I expect perth australia is nicer
[01:22] <MetalWolf> its not a bad today actually here
[01:22] <MetalWolf> but normally yeah
[01:22] <MetalWolf> altho not a bad day is probably not a good day for u guys
[01:22] <[IdIoT] > Hallo
[01:22] <PhantomFreak> I've got a piec of software which requires insmod, how do I load it?
[01:23] <thoreauputic> MetalWolf: well, there's this thing called sunlight.... ;-)
[01:23] <ana150> is there any other page like ubuntuguide which has more information of ubuntu or can those be found in ubuntu document?
[01:23] <MetalWolf> yeah we get it about twice a year thoreauputic
[01:23] <valdez> anyone that has gotten their ati mobility card to work with the fglrx driver?
[01:23] <thoreauputic> haha
[01:23] <MetalWolf> and no need to tell me about sunlight I lived in california last year
[01:23] <MetalWolf> I know what that stuff is
[01:23] <MetalWolf> just don't get it here very often
[01:24] <aapelii> PhantomFreak: Insmod should be on your system, it is used to load kernel modules
[01:24] <ana150> sun.. light? isn't that somekind of juice?
[01:24] <ana150> :D
[01:24] <drx> hello I have installed ubuntu on my laptop, when i unplugged the power cable, internet cable and optical mouse and booted it the ALSA drivers couldn't identify my soundcard, if i plugged in all cables and booted it again it found it... does anyone know  why this hapens ?
[01:24] <MetalWolf> does ubuntu use genkernel?
[01:24] <MetalWolf> I assume not ?
[01:24] <hondje> genkernel?
[01:25] <aapelii> MetalWolf: skip that part
[01:25] <ana150> drx: did you try that soundcard stuff what's in the ubuntuguide.org
[01:26] <aapelii> MetalWolf: Read about the grub.conf, but if you don't know what you are doing, there is a big chance that your system is going to stop booting...
[01:26] <ana150> i don't know what it does, but i got my sounds working with that :D
[01:26] <MetalWolf> thats ok aapelii I've been thru fixing this machines bootloaders several times when using FC3
[01:26] <ana150> seems like i can get gnome working thanks to thoreauputic :)
[01:26] <drx> ana150: no i haven't, i will check it out thanks
[01:27] <aapelii> another problem is that automatic kernel upgrades may be history for you
[01:27] <thoreauputic> ana150: :) Glad it's working for you !
[01:27] <MetalWolf> if i write grub.conf to the windows partition that would make it hd0 and the linux one hd1?
[01:27] <ana150> not so fast, there's still stuff it does
[01:27] <PhantomFreak> aapelii: Yeh, descovered that after I entered the question... It must just not be able to find it!
[01:28] <deviant> how can i mount a .nrg image with mount?
[01:28] <Amaranth> you can't
[01:28] <ana150> thoreauputic: did you have samekind of problem as i have now, or how did you know that exactly way? ;D
[01:28] <Amaranth> you need to find some way to convert it to an iso
[01:28] <deviant> Amaranth: k3b can do that ?
[01:29] <Amaranth> deviant: I don't know.
[01:29] <deviant> hmmm
[01:29] <ana150> deviant: you should check ubuntuguide as well, i think there was some programm listed for that purpose
[01:29] <deviant> ana150: ok
[01:29] <ana150> program*
[01:30] <thoreauputic> ana150: umm... I did a standard install for Ubuntu - a bare bones install requires knowing what to apt-get (I did that with my old Debian box, using fluxbox and x-window-system-core)
[01:31] <ana150> thoreauputic: okey, that explanes :D
[01:31] <PhantomFreak> Managed to get it to work anyhow!
[01:32] <mike> Please tell me:
[01:32] <thoreauputic> ana150: ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage that pulls in the needed gnome components and builds a standard Ubuntu desktop (as the name would imply)
[01:32] <mike> I wrote 'sudo -s -H' and it didn't asked my password
[01:32] <mike> is this normal?
[01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> mike had you just used sudo?
[01:33] <thoreauputic> mike: only if you used sudo in the last few minutes
[01:33] <mike> okay, but I tried also to log out and then back
[01:33] <mike> the same thing after that
[01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic, how long do you have? 5 min?
[01:34] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: I'm not sure - i think 5, yes
[01:34] <mike> dunno, I'll try it later today
[01:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> mike, as long as you log out and back in in 5 or so minutes, your sudo sesion is active
[01:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> *sp
[01:35] <mike> Thanks
[01:35] <mike> Gotta go, bye.
[01:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> bye
[01:35] <scanwinder> MetalWolf, you could try installing Ubuntu on the SATA drive and Windows on the IDE drive
[01:36] <scanwinder> what motherboard do you have anyway?(apparently, it was my motherboard that was makin Grub not get into windows)
[01:38] <aapelii> Metalwolf: the partition number should not change
[01:39] <webmind> anyone know how can resent a users gnome settings ?
[01:39] <webmind> she fucked up everything
[01:40] <webmind> but removing .g* in her home
[01:40] <webmind> doesnt wotk
[01:40] <webmind> work
[01:40] <thoreauputic> webmind: hmm - that usually fixes it
[01:40] <webmind> well
[01:40] <webmind> her panel is still fucked
[01:40] <thoreauputic> webmind: what has she done?
[01:40] <webmind> pardon my english
[01:41] <webmind> screw up her panel
[01:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> i just had that problem, and i left it, and must have done somthing to fix it without knowing :$
[01:41] <webmind> and the filemanager doesnt boot anymore
[01:41] <thoreauputic> in what way?
[01:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> pannel not starting?
[01:41] <webmind> panel starts
[01:41] <webmind> but not weith the usual items
[01:41] <webmind> with
[01:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats what i had. and the icons do appear.
[01:42] <olorin> quit
[01:42] <thoreauputic> webmind: have you tried `killall gnome-panel` ?
[01:43] <webmind> thoreauputic, sure
[01:43] <webmind> thoreauputic, but that doesn't affect the panel items
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> lock files in strange places?
[01:44] <webmind> this is quite a default ubuntu installation
[01:44] <webmind> didn't change any lock files
[01:44] <thoreauputic> webmind: and you tried deleting ~/.gconf ?
[01:44] <webmind> thoreauputic, deleted .g* a few times already
[01:44] <webmind> ah yes.. and logout doesn't work anymore either
[01:44] <thoreauputic> webmind: why not back up her home dir, make a new user
[01:45] <webmind> I guess I could
[01:45] <thoreauputic> webmind: does the system work with a different user?
[01:45] <webmind> sure
[01:45] <webmind> but I'd like to know where/how these settings are stored
[01:45] <jind_> Is router the name for a combined nat and switch box?
[01:45] <thoreauputic> well, not hard to make a new user and transfer her files
[01:46] <jind_> Like in hardware, a seperate box?
[01:46] <webmind> thoreauputic, I'd prefer if I could find the problem
[01:46] <thoreauputic> webmind: sure
[01:46] <webmind> else I'll be (pardon the reference) windows solutions
[01:47] <webmind> and the reason I don't use that is that here I should be able to find problems
[01:47] <jayson_I> there is a NV program in ubuntu?
[01:47] <thoreauputic> webmind: I agree - i just depends on priorities/time ( ie, if she needs it NOW or not)
[01:48] <Shufla> hi :) friday :):)
[01:48] <webmind> thoreauputic, well I need to fix this mainly correctly
[01:48] <webmind> thoreauputic, not that much hurry
[01:48] <webmind> just today :)
[01:48] <Trixsey> Hello! I'm experiancing problems with stability in Ubuntu. When I leave the computer on for more than a day it usually freezes... Havent had this experiance with other OSs (Windows)
[01:48] <Trixsey> wtf now? :(
[01:48] <Trixsey> Hello! I'm experiancing problems with stability in Ubuntu. When I leave the computer on for more than a day it usually freezes... Havent had this experiance with other OSs (Windows)
[01:48] <Trixsey> there!
[01:49] <Shufla> Trixsey: what is in logs?
[01:49] <webmind> Trixsey, uhm
[01:49] <mjr> Trixsey, might be many things; faulty hardware that windows doesn't trigger but linux does, or perhaps a bug in some spesific driver you're using
[01:49] <webmind> Trixsey, you haven't ?
[01:49] <thoreauputic> Trixsey: that's not normal - my current uptime is 15 days
[01:49] <mjr> yep, normal it isn't
[01:50] <Trixsey> Shufla, where is the logs? I'm a beginner at Linux and Ubuntu... Maybe I did something wrong, causing the system instability?
[01:50] <webmind> hmm btw.. asking if kubuntu is stable is a stupid question right ?
[01:50] <Shufla> Trixsey: /var/log/
[01:50] <Shufla> Trixsey: and this is not instability. is your mb/processor cooled right? are all your components in good shape?
[01:50] <Trixsey> yeah, they are
[01:50] <Trixsey> like I said
[01:50] <Trixsey> never had this problem with Windows
[01:51] <Shufla> webmind: asking on #kubuntu is not stiupid :D
[01:51] <webmind> ah
[01:51] <webmind> there's different channel
[01:51] <Shufla> webmind: indeeed.
[01:51] <Trixsey> Shufla, which log are we interested in? Syslog? Syslog.0?
[01:51] <Shufla> webmind: you'll meet more #kubuntu supportes there.
[01:51] <webmind> thnx
[01:52] <webmind> there's no rivalry between the 2 I hope ?
[01:52] <Shufla> Trixsey: try in syslog first. are you able to check, if your system after lock response to ping, are you able log in by ssh?
[01:52] <Shufla> webmind: nope! cooperation!
[01:52] <MetalWolf> see when it greezes Trixsey can u still access the command prompts using cntl-alt F2 etc?
[01:52] <webmind> Shufla, good\
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> webmind - only the gnome-kde users ;)
[01:52] <thoreauputic> webmind: lots of us use both
[01:52] <webmind> ok
[01:52] <Trixsey> Shufla, Jun 10 13:29:35 localhost syslogd 1.4.1#16ubuntu6: restart.
[01:53] <webmind> because gnome is at the moment gnawing my head of
[01:53] <Trixsey> Why would it restart on its own? :(
[01:53] <Trixsey> Jun 10 13:29:35 localhost kernel: No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled.
[01:53] <Trixsey> and then this?
[01:53] <thoreauputic> webmind: install xfce4 *grin*
[01:54] <webmind> thoreauputic, I prefer icewm then.. and actuallt have a very nice icewm+rox setup somewhere.. but it's not as powerfull
[01:54] <jayson_I> there is a gui apache2 in ubuntu?
[01:54] <webmind> thoreauputic, use that myself
[01:54] <webmind> thoreauputic, hardly usable for this user
[01:54] <negg> e17 is the fastest
[01:54] <Trixsey> jayson_I, apache2 has a GUI?
[01:54] <Shufla> jayson_I: webmin.
[01:54] <thoreauputic> jayson_I: why would you want a GUI for a webserver?
[01:55] <Trixsey> Shufla, help me :(
[01:55] <Shufla> cui - cgi user interface ;)
[01:55] <Shufla> Trixsey: send me /var/log/syslog* to lukasz@nowak.eu.org
[01:55] <jayson_I> co'z i dont know yet how to manage the apche using terminal
[01:56] <Shufla> jayson_I: huh. but what do you need to manage in apache @ ubuntu? it works just fine oobox. and apache administration is not easy.
[01:57] <Trixsey> Shufla, sent
[01:57] <Shufla> Trixsey: oki, checking...
[01:59] <Shufla> Trixsey: eh. i think it's defeered by some antispam checks. i've got to wait, i'll analyze it @ home and reply you
[02:00] <Trixsey> oh ok
[02:00] <thoreauputic> why not paste it on pastebin.com ?
[02:01] <Shufla> thoreauputic: huh. i thought about it. but syslog could be security problematic, when pasted to public.
[02:01] <thoreauputic> ah, OK good point
[02:01] <webmind> btw.. anyone know why firefox hasn't been updated in the repository yet ?
[02:01] <Shufla> and afair, you cannot password protect or hash-in-url protect what you paste theere
[02:02] <Shufla> webmind: updated to what?
[02:02] <webmind> 1.0.4
[02:02] <thoreauputic> webmind: it has - th eversion number doesn't change
[02:02] <webmind> max version I can get is still 1.0.2
[02:02] <Shufla> shit! :(
[02:02] <Shufla> go to www.pastebin.com
[02:02] <webmind> thoreauputic, not even within firefox ?
[02:02] <thoreauputic> webmind: the fixes are backported to 1.0.2
[02:02] <Shufla> 1. they use mysql (-) 2. they use display errors (-) 3. they are down (-)
[02:02] <webmind> thoreauputic, nasty
[02:03] <thoreauputic> webmind: not at all
[02:03] <webmind> thoreauputic, why not just update to 1.0.4
[02:03] <webmind> that way the check works on the firefox extension site aswell
[02:03] <raptoid> help me guyz..
[02:03] <Shufla> webmind: debian package policy afair
[02:04] <raptoid> http://pastebin.com/298325
[02:04] <raptoid> pls help me..
[02:04] <raptoid> paste bin dot com
[02:04] <raptoid> --> http://pastebin.com/298325
[02:04] <raptoid> help help
[02:04] <webmind> Shufla, debian does upgrade to 1.0.4 ?
[02:04] <thoreauputic> *sigh* edit your about:config - search for vendorSub, change to 1.0.4
[02:04] <webmind> thoreauputic, k thnzx
[02:04] <webmind> thnx
[02:04] <Shufla> raptoid: we've sen it. sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y --force-yes
[02:04] <Shufla> and there is bug reported
[02:05] <raptoid> Do you want to continue [Y/n] ? enter
[02:05] <raptoid> Install these packages without verification [y/N] ? enter
[02:05] <raptoid> E: Some packages could not be authenticated
[02:06] <thoreauputic> raptoid: err - hence the -y --force-yes ?
[02:06] <eruin> dist-upgrade should take care of the multiple firefoxes in there too :P
[02:07] <Amaranth> eruin: If dist-upgrade could figure all that out your computer wouldn't need you to run it. ;)
[02:07] <eruin> ^^
[02:08] <Shufla> wow!
[02:08] <Shufla> how nice:
[02:08] <Shufla> server   : orwell.freenode.net
[02:08] <shawarma> Hi! Just installed smbfs, and smbmount is not suid root.. WTF?
[02:08] <Shufla> :D
[02:08] <hondje> Now that I posted it and can get flammed, /is/ there any reason not to mount /dev/shm noexec?
[02:09] <shawarma> Am I supposed to sudo?
[02:09] <Shufla> shawarma: try with sudo.
[02:09] <Shufla> or setuid it root manually.
[02:09] <raptoid> Install these packages without verification [y/N] ?
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> y <enter>
[02:09] <Shufla> raptoid: sudo -y --force-yes dist-upgrade
[02:10] <thoreauputic> raptoid: you didn't copy the command, did you?
[02:10] <raptoid> Kamping_Kaiser, Install these packages without verification [y/N] ? y
[02:10] <raptoid> E: Some packages could not be authenticated
[02:10] <Shufla> raptoid: sudo apt-get -y --force-yes dist-upgrade
[02:10] <waxhead> hey everyone
[02:10] <Shufla> hi wax head
[02:10] <waxhead> anyone running enlightement?
[02:10] <raptoid> Shufla, ok thnx
[02:10] <thoreauputic> raptoid: read Shufla 's lips....
[02:11] <mindmedic> is it possible to fetch directories recursively using the sftp command?
[02:11] <Shufla> Trixsey: all /var/log/syslog* just one is not enough. i need more data. now use pastebin
[02:11] <eruin> apt-get -f install/dist-upgrade should be enough
[02:12] <hondje> Where would I file bugs on the menu editor, or is there a FAQ to help me track down if it IS the menu editor?
[02:13] <thoreauputic> hondje: menu-editor, or smeg?
[02:13] <hondje> smeg
[02:13] <Trixsey> Shufla, oh sorry... Will do
[02:13] <thoreauputic> hondje: amaranth is usually areound - try a /whois ?
[02:14] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Hi.
[02:14] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: hi :)
[02:14] <Amaranth> D-lined? I've never seen that before.
[02:14] <islandjoe> hi people
[02:14] <Amaranth> hondje: If it's smeg I take bug reports in the menu editor forum on ubuntuforums.org
[02:14] <radix> anyone know why my totem won't start with "Resource busy or not available"? hasn't worked since I installed 5.04
[02:14] <hondje> Amaranth: okay, thanks :)
[02:15] <Amaranth> hondje: If it's gnome-menu-editor bugs for that go on gnome's bugzilla
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> radix probably an alsa problem
[02:15] <radix> hmm
[02:15] <Shufla> smeg? WTNice? :D
[02:15] <hondje> I'm not sure if it's smeg or gnome
[02:15] <eruin> smeg url; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38183
[02:15] <radix> Kamping_Kaiser: The ubuntu hardware tester could play sound and I also hear those various sounds when doing windowy things
[02:15] <Trixsey> Shufla, http://pastebin.com/298327
[02:15] <radix> Kamping_Kaiser: however, hmm
[02:15] <radix> Kamping_Kaiser: does totem require the direct-rendering or any other advanced video stuff?
[02:16] <eruin> radix, no
[02:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> not that i know
[02:16] <radix> I haven't gotten my accelerated video working yet (neither ati nor fglrx are working, I'm using vesa atm)
[02:16] <radix> ok
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> can you install a package with broken dependanceis? i cant see a way after a quick glance in the man page
[02:17] <raptoid> Shufla, this pack is already in my computer but i update it again i see ubuntu in update manager
[02:17] <raptoid> why ?
[02:17] <Shufla> Trixsey: lines 137-138 - system restarted.
[02:17] <radix> Kamping_Kaiser: you can do horrible weird things to make it look like those dependencies are installed
[02:17] <jayson_I> how to enable the programming in the start window?
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> i would rather not...
[02:17] <Shufla> Trixsey: it has happened when it comes down?
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm not that attached to kde
[02:17] <jayson_I> i can't enable it
[02:17] <Shufla> raptoid: which pack?
[02:17] <jayson_I> and how to instal the NVU?
[02:18] <radix> Kamping_Kaiser: I think the only way to get around package system restrictions is with horrible weird things :)
[02:18] <raptoid> Shufla, http://pastebin.com/298325
[02:18] <islandjoe> hi does anyobody know how to remedy this gimp problem on wacom tablet?
[02:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> radix, oh well. thanks :)
[02:18] <islandjoe> it works very fine until i use the pressure-sensitive stuff
[02:19] <Shufla> raptoid: and where's -y --force-yes?
[02:19] <Shufla> smeg is nice :)
[02:19] <jayson_I> helooow pls help me?
[02:19] <jayson_I> i'm developing now a website.. it's my project in school
[02:19] <hondje> No, not a smeg bug, it's a gnome bug
[02:20] <hondje> How sad :(
[02:20] <raptoid> Shufla, sudo apt-get -y --force-yes dist-upgrade -- correct ?
[02:20] <Shufla> raptoid: yes! try it. -f might be good to
[02:20] <Shufla> too
[02:20] <raptoid> ok
[02:20] <radix> the weird thing is that totem won't start up at *all*. I can't even start it up without a file
[02:22] <Shufla> 38 minutes to go...
[02:22] <Shufla> I just can't stand it...
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> have strength shufla :P
[02:23] <jayson_I> heloo pls help me in my problem....
[02:23] <jayson_I> and how to instal the NVU?
[02:23] <Shufla> WTN NVU?
[02:23] <radix> what the heck is NVU?
[02:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> web editor
[02:23] <Amaranth> nvu is the wysiwyg editor based on gecko
[02:24] <Amaranth> firefox came from mozilla browser, thunderbird came from mozilla mail, nvu came from mozilla composer
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get install nvu
[02:24] <radix> hmm, ok, killing esd didn't let me start up totem
[02:24] <radix> Amaranth: oh, cool
[02:24] <Shufla> ok. i'll make package for it :) that NVU. ;P
[02:24] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: umm, no, nvu isn't in the standard repos
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. its in mine :S
[02:25] <jayson_I> pls?
[02:25] <jayson_I> :)
[02:25] <jayson_I> how?
[02:25] <Shufla> jayson_I: download http://cvs.nvu.com/download/nvu-1.0PR-pc-linux2.6.10-gnu.tar.bz2 and read the docs.
[02:25] <jayson_I> anyone can help me?
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> Package: nvu
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> Priority: optional
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> Section: universe/web
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> Universal
[02:25] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: I have multiverse and universe...
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S my bad
[02:25] <thoreauputic> ?
[02:25] <thoreauputic> odd
[02:25] <jayson_I> ok
[02:25] <jayson_I> tnbx
[02:25] <jayson_I> tnx
[02:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm running breezy.
[02:25] <Amaranth> Kamping_Kaiser: are you on breezy?
[02:25] <Amaranth> yeah
[02:25] <Amaranth> isn't nvu in backports?
[02:25] <Shufla> i do not have it. maybe it's not amd64 ready
[02:26] <radix> hmm
[02:26] <Shufla> and so I've got to build from soruce :D
[02:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes breezy
[02:26] <radix> I wonder if *my* problem is specific to amd64
[02:26] <Shufla> Kamping_Kaiser: you are brave ultra-beta-tester ;)
[02:26] <radix> or maybe just to nforce4
[02:26] <thoreauputic> jayson_I: are you on the nvu site?
[02:26] <Shufla> raptoid: binary drivers on a64? welcome in da club :D
[02:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> shufla, I'm in xfce because i screwed myself ;)
[02:27] <Shufla> Kamping_Kaiser: hehehe :) but if you are still online that's good. you are bug reporter. and with ppl like you Breezy will breeze on october. just after mine birthday :D
[02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) remind me hten, I'll sing you happy bday
[02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> and give you a cd
[02:28] <Shufla> OMFG! 29,842,142 nvu sources tar.bz2 ;)
[02:28] <Trixsey> Shufla, my system froze some time during the day today... I had to reboot to get back in. I didnt do anything at the time to cause the freeze, as I wasnt even home :p
[02:28] <Trixsey> Its just worrying me... I want a stable system :(
[02:29] <Shufla> Trixsey: ok. only one solution for now. wait until system freeze and login to it from other computer. on ssh. if it's work, stop gdm. if all lock ups - thats video driver.
[02:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> shufla, for about the last 3 weeks i have been using Debian as my os, because breezy was just unusable
[02:30] <Shufla> Trixsey: but if your system is network unresponsive after visual lockup you have to analyze it hardware stability. my ubuntu servers got max uptime - without problems more than 90days.
[02:30] <Shufla> Kamping_Kaiser: they were making transition to gcc4 :) it wasn't unstable - unusable :D
[02:31] <Tomcat_> Cool. :)
[02:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. i also did the dbus-1 act
[02:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> so i got wiped
[02:31] <negg> ?
[02:32] <radix> man this is frustrating
[02:32] <Shufla> Trixsey: uptime about 100days is low. (well minus kernel upgrades. but it can be avoided with xen/uml)
[02:32] <Shufla> i cannot use breezy
[02:32] <Shufla> i bvadly need stable desktop where all runs oobx. but i'm trying to support as many ppl as i can :D
[02:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> shufla, i hit Debian and keep coming here :S I'm a glutton for punishment
[02:34] <radix> sudo totem also doesn't help
[02:35] <Shufla> i do not know what glutton means :(
[02:35] <Shufla> i'm not en_GB native speaker :(
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> neither am i ;) en_AU
[02:35] <athlon> ive just bought a headset and I want to test drive it in gnomemeeting. Since I know nobody who has a H.323 url, is there some kind of a dummy user than anyone can call to test their stuff ?
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> glutton, someone who wants lots (good enough i think)
[02:35] <radix> AHA
[02:35] <Shufla> athlon: just try to record anything.
[02:35] <radix> It *was* video
[02:36] <athlon> Shufla, okay
[02:36] <radix> Changing my Default video Sink to "XWindows" allowed totem to start up
[02:37] <Shufla> 23min2go :)
[02:42] <konrad> Hehe, I foud way how to install new packages which depends on Sarge libc6 without ugrading it!
[02:42] <konrad> VERY dirty way, but works
[02:42] <athlon> hmm... doesnt work..
[02:42] <Amaranth> konrad: how? :)
[02:42] <konrad> just few "corrects" in /var/lib/dpkg/available and staus
[02:43] <Amaranth> err
[02:43] <Amaranth> they aren't even binary compatible, are they?
[02:43] <Shufla> konrad: aided sucidier ;)
[02:43] <konrad> Amaranth: works :)
[02:44] <konrad> Shufla: I only need it for Kadu (Polish communicator)
[02:45] <konrad> libc6 is still the same - only have slightly onother version 30ubuntu7 instead of 20...
[02:45] <Shufla> konrad: and i have prepared gnu gadu 2 for hoary - http://nowak.eu.org/ubuntu/ ;)
[02:46] <konrad> Shufla: I have Kubuntu, don't like Gnu Gadu and very much like Kadu :)
[02:46] <hondje> You know what'd be cool? A repository for things added after a release that doesn't fit into the category of big bugfix or security
[02:46] <Shufla> konrad: just like my. but i wanted to be as possibile clean ubuntu main/restricted user :D
[02:46] <hondje> Be nice for things that have regular updates, like gaim and firefox....
[02:46] <Shufla> hondje: like backports.ubuntuforums.org ?
[02:47] <hondje> Shufla: No, something stable :p
[02:47] <mindmedic> what does gadu mean?
[02:47] <Shufla> mindmedic: gadu=talk
[02:47] <Shufla> hondje: i do not know. i'm thinkinh about making such things, but my resources (money) are fixed.
[02:47] <mindmedic> ahh, my first polish word :)
[02:48] <hondje> Well, I wasn't talking about you personally, I meant for the Ubuntu project as a whole
[02:48] <konrad> Shufla: I had SID, so I realy depend on NEWEST software, but libc6 force me to do this tricks - woth newer libc6 from breeze (buggy) or Sarge (binaty incompatibile) I had crash - with updated kerne from security repository
[02:48] <Ubuntian> on the wiki to share a printer it says: A line that has Listen 127.0.0.1:631 can be replaced by Port 631 to listen on all network interfaces: does that mean that i have to replace the whole line with "Port 631" or does that mean that i have to replace the line with "Listen Port 631"?
[02:49] <bartekp> (;
[02:49] <Shufla> hi bartekp
[02:50] <bartekp> hi Shufla
[02:50] <konrad> Shufla: hehe Polak :)
[02:50] <Ubuntian> nobody?
[02:50] <bartekp> konrad: I? (-;
[02:50] <Shufla> konrad: yes.
[02:51] <konrad> :D
[02:54] <raptoid> 51% [4 sun-j2sdk1.5 47554109/62.9MB 75%]                         27.7kB/s 40m56s
[02:54] <raptoid> ,
[02:56] <Adross> why does the installation of ffmpeg want to uninstall a lot of stuff after i installed a few of its dependencies?
[02:57] <hondje> Adross: what pkgs does it want to uninstall?
[02:58] <Burgundavia> Adross, what, specifically?
[02:58] <Adross> can get a list, but heaps of randoms, like beagle
[02:58] <Burgundavia> shouldn't, what is one your sources.list?
[02:58] <Adross> eh?
[02:58] <hondje> Adross: that's odd, don't know what to say
[02:58] <Burgundavia> Adross, have you adding anything wierd?
[02:59] <Adross> it didn't before, but then i tried install a few dependencies
[02:59] <thoreauputic> Adross: my guess: you have 3rd party sources
[02:59] <Adross> well, i guess the dependencies, but, they're the recommended ones, and i got those from the debian site?
[02:59] <Adross> does anyone know where i can get a guide to install ffmpeg then, i want to convert all my stuff to ogg
[03:00] <thoreauputic> Adross: your problem is mixing in debian
[03:00] <Adross> i thought we were compatible
[03:00] <thoreauputic> Adross: ffmpeg installs seamlessly in Ubuntu
[03:00] <Burgundavia> Adross, ffmpeg is in the ubuntu repos
[03:00] <Adross> not for me it didn't
[03:01] <Adross> had 6 depedencies
[03:01] <Burgundavia> can you do a apt-cache policy gstreamer-ffmpeg ?
[03:01] <thoreauputic> Adross: see above
[03:01] <thoreauputic> Adross: Ubuntu != Debian
[03:01] <Adross> Weiss: Unable to locate package gstreamer-ffmpeg
[03:02] <Burgundavia> Adross, add this --> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[03:02] <Burgundavia> that is where you should get gstreamer-ffmpeg
[03:02] <Adross> dammit, can't even uninstall the dependencies i install without it wanting to get rid of stuff like abiword and amsn
[03:02] <jind_> Does anybody know how to download the cvs version of xorg?
[03:02] <thoreauputic> Adross: you have missing Ubuntu sources, which you tried to "fix" with debian, so now apt is thoroughly confused
[03:02] <Burgundavia> Adross, can you post your sources.list in #flood please
[03:02] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[03:02] <Firsti> I just have installed IRCD with apt-get install ircd, Where I can configure it ?
[03:03] <Adross> how do i get the list?
[03:03] <da_bon_bon> i have STILL not recived my shipit cds -- is that normal ? have people started reciving it ?
[03:03] <Burgundavia> Adross, gedit open /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:03] <Burgundavia> da_bon_bon, I received mine last week, they will come
[03:03] <hondje> Firsti: Most configuration files are in /etc, or some subdir of it
[03:03] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: not yet, here anyway
[03:03] <Firsti> There is only motd files
[03:04] <hondje> Somethings not right, then
[03:04] <da_bon_bon> india is slow
[03:04] <Eddie> hi guys
[03:04] <Eddie> do usb adsl modems work with linux?
[03:04] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: :( -- u;ve hoary at all ?
[03:04] <j-> why is there no transcode package?
[03:04] <Burgundavia> j-, legal issues
[03:04] <j-> oh
[03:04] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: I was lucky - I got mine at Ubuntu Down Under
[03:04] <j-> I can't even get it to build
[03:04] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: then you dont need shipit ones
[03:05] <Adross> and wtf, how do i add repositories now?
[03:05] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: I want a few to give away :)
[03:05] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: but true
[03:05] <j-> Burgundavia, do you know if trancode is buildable in ubuntu?
[03:05] <SrRaven> can someone tell me how to get the cd shipped to me
[03:05] <Burgundavia> j-, should be
[03:05] <SrRaven> i dont find the settint to add address to my account
[03:05] <hondje> It is, did it a couple times last night
[03:05] <Burgundavia> SrRaven, shitpit.ubuntu.com
[03:05] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: not meant to insult, just telling :)
[03:05] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: so I'm not concerned if mine don't arrive
[03:05] <Burgundavia> Adross, some all the debian repos
[03:05] <j-> hondje, what about all the libraries it depends on?
[03:06] <Burgundavia> Adross, make that, remove
[03:06] <SrRaven> i know that site burgundavia
[03:06] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: I only ordered a few anyway :)
[03:06] <SrRaven> but if i add my email and pw
[03:06] <Burgundavia> SrRaven, order some there
[03:06] <SrRaven> it doesnt work
[03:06] <hondje> j-: /query me, and I show them to you
[03:06] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: oh.. how many ? 7 here
[03:06] <Adross> will do
[03:06] <Burgundavia> SrRaven, have you ordered from there?
[03:06] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: about 10 I think
[03:06] <SrRaven> i cant
[03:06] <Burgundavia> Adross, and move your backports to a mirror
[03:06] <mike__> Anyone wanna help me with screen resolution problems on a laptop
[03:06] <Adross> which mirror?
[03:06] <Burgundavia> SrRaven, you need to create an account there frist
[03:06] <da_bon_bon> ok, thoreauputic.
[03:06] <Guybrush|eat> mike__: just ask
[03:06] <SrRaven> The username and password combination you've entered is invalid. Please try again.
[03:06] <SrRaven> If do not know your password and would like to have a new password sent to your email address (eddy0@web.de) click here
[03:06] <mike__> I can't change resolution in gui, i only have 1 option.
[03:07] <Burgundavia> Adross, the one I gave you up above
[03:07] <SrRaven> i did a account on the ubuntu site
[03:07] <mike__> I have a Sony Vaio VGN-B1XP / Intel Centrino with Intel 82852/82855 GM/GME Graphics Controller, current resolution 1280x1024, but default is 1400x1050 and thats what i want to use.
[03:07] <da_bon_bon> is SrRaven a bot ?
[03:07] <SrRaven> no
[03:07] <Adross> i have installed that one then
[03:07] <Adross> just not
[03:07] <Adross> *now
[03:07] <Burgundavia> Adross, swap all your backports and extras to that one
[03:07] <Guybrush|work> mike__: are you experienced ?
[03:07] <SrRaven> oh fck
[03:07] <SrRaven> extra account for the shipit site
[03:07] <Firsti> IS there somewhere some examples from ircd.conf ?
[03:07] <mike__> not that much with linux
[03:07] <Adross> so, get id of all marillat?
[03:07] <Guybrush|work> open up a terminale
[03:07] <Guybrush|work> open up a terminal
[03:08] <mike__> done
[03:08] <Burgundavia> Adross, yes, get rid of all marilliat
[03:08] <Guybrush|work> sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:08] <raptoid> guyz..
[03:08] <raptoid> help me
[03:08] <raptoid>  i have a one ntfs partition,but this partition for turkish don't seen Turkish character . How do character change ?
[03:08] <mike__> used "nano" insteed, ok?
[03:08] <Adross> ha, i sure showed that marrilat, its so deleted, that its all like 'who deleted me'
[03:08] <Guybrush|work> mike__: it's the same
[03:09] <Burgundavia> mike__, any text editer is fine
[03:09] <mike__> ok =)
[03:09] <SrRaven> what shall i fill in into State/Province/etc: im from germany
[03:09] <Guybrush|work> go to >> Section "Screen"
[03:09] <SrRaven> and i dont know if i shall fill in Hessen or not
[03:09] <raptoid> help me help me
[03:09] <raptoid> i have a one ntfs partition,but this partition for turkish don't seen Turkish character . How do character change ?
[03:09] <mindmedic> anyone has an idea how i can scp -r /opt/* remote:/opt/ (without a root account)
[03:09] <SrRaven> turkiye,turkiye
[03:09] <mike__> im there
[03:10] <Guybrush|work> mike__: u should see different SubSection "Display"
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> mindmedic, make remote /opt writeable by your remote account
[03:10] <Guybrush|work> one for each depth
[03:10] <thoreauputic> mindmedic: I don't think you can - those files need root permissions afaik
[03:10] <raptoid> SrRaven, what ?
[03:10] <SrRaven> a state in the us is oklohama or something
[03:10] <SrRaven> but in germany we dont have states
[03:10] <Guybrush|work> mike__: What's your DefaultDepth ?
[03:10] <SrRaven> we have bundeslnder,those are kinda like states but im not sure if i shall fill that in or not
[03:10] <mike__> yepp, subsection, Modes "1400x1050" on all
[03:11] <Adross> i got rid of all the backports as well, if i set up with the mirrors, then reload, should that enable me to fix my problem?"
[03:11] <mike__> 24
[03:11] <Burgundavia> Adross, yes
[03:11] <Adross> kk
[03:11] <raptoid> help meeee
[03:11] <Adross> cos i got rid of everything off my reps now
[03:11] <Guybrush|work> mike__: ok, close term
[03:11] <Burgundavia> Adross, backports and extras are fine, as long as you use a mirror
[03:11] <Adross> and i get the same thing
[03:11] <mike__> roger
[03:11] <Burgundavia> Adross, have you reloaded?
[03:11] <Adross> yes
[03:11] <Guybrush|work> mike__: did you try ctrl alt +
[03:11] <Adross> but i only have like 5 sources now
[03:11] <mindmedic> i made /opt writeable (777 to be sure), but it is the mountpoint of a partition, what do i have to add to the fstab entry (uid=myuid?-9
[03:12] <Burgundavia> Adross, can you dump it in #flood again?
[03:12] <mike__> yeah, dont work
[03:12] <thoreauputic> Adross: you might need to run ` sudo apt-get -f install` without any packages if it doesn't work immediately
[03:12] <othernoob> does anyone know, why k3b (as well as nero in xp) give me the message "unsupported format" for one particular mp3, while the other 12, which were ripped the same, work just fine, when adding to an audio-cd project ?
[03:12] <Guybrush|work> check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:12] <Guybrush|work> see what it says about 1400x1050
[03:12] <SrRaven> did u check the mp3 othernoob ?
[03:12] <SrRaven> and compare it to the others
[03:12] <othernoob> SrRaven: if you're asking if i can play it, yes, can play it fine
[03:13] <SrRaven> compare the files with a editor
[03:13] <thoreauputic> othernoob: copyright protected perhaps?
[03:13] <mike__> Can it be, that ubuntu cant show 1400x1050 on my laptop SWGA screen
[03:13] <raptoid> mindmedic, what ?
[03:13] <SrRaven> but why would only 1 be than ?
[03:13] <othernoob> thoreauputic: hardly unlikely, since they come from the same cd ;)
[03:13] <Adross> thoreauputic: i got an output
[03:13] <mike__> but windows can handle it
[03:13] <othernoob> and it's an old cd
[03:13] <gui521> hey guys whae i try to change options in samba or networking and put in my pw i get kicked back to main screen
[03:13] <thoreauputic> othernoob: ah, OK :)
[03:13] <raptoid> ./etc/fstab ?
[03:13] <Adross> could u join #flood and i'll post it in there?
[03:13] <mindmedic> raptoid, /opt is a partition
[03:14] <othernoob> SrRaven: what kind of editor ?
[03:14] <gui521> no i know the pw is right cause it's the same one i use for sudo
[03:14] <othernoob> SrRaven: and what would i be looking for ?
[03:14] <SrRaven> encspot
[03:14] <thoreauputic> Adross: OK
[03:14] <Burgundavia> Adross, I sawit
[03:14] <SrRaven> that shows all info u can get of a mp3
[03:14] <Burgundavia> Adross, you should now gstreamer-ffmpeg
[03:14] <Burgundavia> Adross, you need to close synaptic and try again
[03:14] <Adross> wait, look at the output, nothing has changed
[03:14] <Adross> i'll add mirrors now
[03:14] <Burgundavia> as the previously marked packages are trying to be removed again
[03:14] <gui521> anyone ???
[03:15] <mike__> Where should i look?
[03:15] <mike__> In Xorg.0.log
[03:15] <Guybrush|work> yes
[03:15] <sobersabre> hi guys... how are "mini-Macs" ?
[03:15] <SrRaven> good
[03:15] <Guybrush|work> mike__: prepend my nickname if you need to address me
[03:15] <SrRaven> friend has one
[03:15] <sobersabre> i mean with linux - are they fully supported hardware wise ?
[03:15] <mike__> hmm, how do i do that?
[03:15] <gui521> the problem with samba config not letting me edit it via control panel
[03:16] <Guybrush|work> sobersabre: no direct experience, but yes
[03:16] <mindmedic> raptoid, sorry, my bad... it works now.. thanks
[03:16] <Guybrush|work> mike__: just write it as i do with your nickname
[03:16] <gui521> i'm useing kubuntu
[03:16] <mike__> aa, sorry, im stupid
[03:16] <sobersabre> ok ... they cost less than 1k$ ... which is unusual for a mac.
[03:17] <SrRaven> or are they even dvds ?
[03:17] <Guybrush|work> mike__: open up the Xorg.0.log file with any file editor and search for 1400x1050
[03:17] <Adross> Burgundavia: the ones in ubuntuguide.org, are they the right mirrors?
[03:17] <gui521> he problem with samba config not letting me edit it via control panel
[03:17] <gui521> i put in my pw
[03:17] <Myrtti> I've managed to bork my Gimp
[03:18] <Myrtti> no binary file available
[03:18] <Myrtti> help.
[03:18] <gui521> but it kicks me back to main control panel screen
[03:18] <Myrtti> ;-)
[03:18] <Guybrush|work> apt-get --reinstall install gimp ?
[03:18] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: no binary file? What do you mean?
[03:18] <Burgundavia> Adross, yes
[03:18] <mike__> Guybrush|work: Did, first line after search, "Display Info: LFP..."
[03:19] <mindmedic> gui521, try "sudo shares-admin" in console
[03:19] <mindmedic> make sure you are allowed tu become root
[03:19] <gui521> nice now for paper and pen i'm swish cheese anymore
[03:19] <Myrtti> myrtti@nanook:~/Desktop $ gimp
[03:19] <Myrtti> bash: /usr/local/bin/gimp: No such file or directory
[03:20] <Guybrush|work> thoreauputic: what's the URL of the site to paste logs ?
[03:20] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: did you compile gimp? what is it doing in /usr/local?
[03:20] <raptoid> mindmedic, /dev/hda5       /media/muzik  ntfs,iso8859-1    umask=0222      0       0
[03:20] <raptoid> fstabp
[03:20] <raptoid> correct ?
[03:20] <r0b_> google knows
[03:20] <thoreauputic> Guybrush|work: pastebin.com?
[03:20] <Guybrush|work> thanks a lot
[03:20] <raptoid> 1 change 9
[03:20] <gui521> will that let me set workgroup tooo???
[03:20] <Myrtti> it's in /usr/local?
[03:20] <Myrtti> I have no idea what's going on
[03:20] <gui521> or would it be sudio admin workgroup
[03:20] <Guybrush|work> mike__: use pastebin.com to let me see your xorg.0.log
[03:20] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: that's where the error says it's looking
[03:21] <Myrtti> I do know I tried installing gimpshop
[03:21] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: oh
[03:21] <r0b_> nothing like two bags and chips and peanuts for breakfast </random>
[03:21] <Myrtti> should I make a symlink or something to fix this
[03:21] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: ls -l /usr/bin/gimp
[03:22] <eva> russian here?
[03:22] <Adross> bb10mns
[03:22] <r0b_> s/and/of/
[03:22] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: what does that say?
[03:22] <eva> private plizz
[03:22] <r0b_> I wanna see Myrtti's Xorg log
[03:22] <r0b_> (it doesnt contain any passwords don't worry
[03:22] <r0b_> paste it publically
[03:22] <r0b_> more people can help you
[03:22] <mike__> Guybrush|work: ok, done
[03:22] <Myrtti> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 8 2005-06-10 16:19 /usr/bin/gimp -> gimp-2.2
[03:23] <athlon> try to run it
[03:23] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: OK - what happens if you run /usr/bin/gimp ?
[03:23] <truz24> how do you make a public key trusted in gpg ?
[03:23] <Myrtti> it starts
[03:23] <Myrtti> phew
[03:23] <Myrtti> <3
[03:23] <truz24> or, how do you tell gpg not to ask you to continue with an untrusted key
[03:23] <konrad> I wrote an email about Kadu in Ubuntu to package maintainer - will see if he make dependiences lower
[03:23] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: have I recently confessed my love to you?
[03:24] <gui521> mindmedic>would it be sudo workgroup-admin to change workgroup ???also it's a full install being used as a server i wanted synaptic for the server and kde
[03:24] <Guybrush|work> mike__: wait a sec
[03:24] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: It's mutual ;-)
[03:24] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: I suggest you clean the mess in /usr/local
[03:25] <Myrtti> ... how?
[03:25] <HawkeVIPER> Myrtti, rm -rf /usr/local/* =P
[03:25] <mike__> Guybrush|work: sure, really appreciate your help
[03:25] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: go in and look for gimpish stuff in /usr/local
[03:25] <gui521> ok l8r i gues i'll be back lol
[03:25] <athlon> anyone here using init-ng
[03:25] <wirjo> im a n00b - can anyone tell me how to use the crontab task scheduling thing?
[03:25] <Myrtti> HawkeVIPER: go and bork yourself
[03:25] <HawkeVIPER> Myrtti, lol
[03:26] <HawkeVIPER> wirjo, user crontab -e
[03:26] <mindmedic> you can change the workgroup with shares admin too...
[03:26] <HawkeVIPER> to edit per user crontab -u user -e
[03:26] <HawkeVIPER> oh, and you'll need to chuck in a sudo at the beginning of that log
[03:26] <mindmedic> but nice guess "workgroup-admin" :D
[03:26] <HawkeVIPER> *lot
[03:26] <Ng> wirjo: http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron-howto.html that any good?
[03:26] <wirjo> hmmm
[03:26] <HawkeVIPER> http://www.adminschoice.com/docs/crontab.htm
[03:26] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: I suspect gimpshop has b0rked your /usr/local
[03:26] <wirjo> i will take a look
[03:26] <HawkeVIPER> Ng: beat me too it =P
[03:26] <HawkeVIPER> s/too/to/1
[03:26] <Guybrush|work> mike__: what's your laptop ?
[03:27] <Adross>  ok, after look at my sources.list file, its rooted.  In flood is the error message i get when starting synaptic. Is there anywhere i can get a default sources.list file, or, even better, could someone send me theres with backport mirrors enabled?
[03:27] <marky> logout
[03:27] <HawkeVIPER> Adross: I'll send you mine if you awnt
[03:27] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: note that /usr/local/bin comes before /usr/bin in ` echo $PATH `
[03:27] <Adross> cheers
[03:28] <Myrtti> yup
[03:28] <Myrtti> there is nothing resembling gimp in /usr/local
[03:28] <wirjo> how do i start the cron? crond didnt work
[03:28] <mike__> Guybrush|work: Sonny Vaio VGN-B1XP, Chipset Intel i855GME, Intel 82852/82855 GM/GME Graphics Controller
[03:28] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: so when yu tried  to run gimp, it looked there first (where your gimpshop stuff is, presumably)
[03:29] <Myrtti> so how to I change it back?
[03:29] <mike__> Guybrush|work: Do you need any more info? Like CPU, ram?
[03:29] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: what does ls -l /usr/local/bin/gimp  return, if anything?
[03:29] <Guybrush|work> mike__: ok for now
[03:29] <jimcooncat> m
[03:30] <Ubuntian> I made it! (sharing the printer in the network) yahhoooooooo!
[03:30] <Myrtti> ls: /usr/local/bin/gimp: No such file or directory
[03:30] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: OK - how were you trying to start gimp? MenU? Launcher?
[03:31] <Myrtti> I've lost all the quick launchers, so I was trying to launch it from console
[03:31] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: what does `which gimp` say?
[03:31] <kerskine> howdy - does anyone know which package provides mcopy? I'm trying to use syslinux and it can't seem to find it by default on my system (Hoary)
[03:31] <Myrtti> /usr/bin/gimp
[03:32] <topyli> Ubuntian: congrats :) did you end up using samba or cups directly?
[03:32] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: then typing `gimp` should launch it...
[03:32] <Ubuntian> topyli, cups directly
[03:32] <Guybrush|work> mike__: found a fix, not easy though
[03:32] <Ubuntian> :-)
[03:32] <mike__> Guybrush|work: I'm all ears
[03:32] <topyli> ah, the clean solution :)
[03:33] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: could a symbolic link fix this? as a quick one?
[03:33] <Ubuntian> now i have to share files with nfs
[03:33] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: what would you link? The shell is already looking in the right place, is it not?
[03:34] <Myrtti> I have no idea
[03:34] <JAyRULE> i JUST installed ubuntu on my laptop...
[03:34] <Myrtti> i'll do the menu editing
[03:34] <JAyRULE> it was surprisingly EASY!!!
[03:35] <hondje> JAyRULE: glad to hear it worked for you :)
[03:35] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: well, putting "/usr/bin/gimp" as the path in your menu should work
[03:35] <truz24> how do you open a file as hex in vi ?
[03:35] <jimcooncat> JAyRULE: good for you! I had to update the bios on my gf laptop -- a bit of a hassle
[03:35] <Rockett17> JAyRULE> Ubuntu is a breeze to install.. However, i've often thought that new linux users would be like: "wtf" when they see the system apt-getting itself in the console on the first boot
[03:36] <hondje> Myrtti: If that doesn't work, humor me and have it open in terminal, and try again...I'm having oddball menu / run problems
[03:36] <JAyRULE> yeah...im glad too..was having a hard time with freebsd..<---never installed linux before
[03:36] <JAyRULE> ahhh
[03:36] <wirjo> how do i start the cron thing? i edited my crontab file...
[03:36] <hondje> FreeBSD on a laptop? You're wild ;-)
[03:37] <JAyRULE> hahah...
[03:37] <JAyRULE> well others have done it...i thought i would give it a shot
[03:37] <HawkeVIPER> FreeBSD 4 rocked
[03:37] <JAyRULE> ic
[03:37] <HawkeVIPER> someone on crack got onto the dev team for 5.3
[03:38] <hondje> neat, my forum thread got a check-mark
[03:40] <Adross> you know what
[03:40] <Adross> heres my plan
[03:40] <Adross> copy and paste home folder to spare hdd
[03:40] <Adross> format ubuntu, reinstall ubuntu
[03:40] <Adross> i'm in way over my head, this seems faster
[03:40] <hondje> Adross: did you make /home it's own partition?
[03:40] <Adross> no, i just have a spare ft32 hdd
[03:41] <hondje> ah...well, when you do your reinstall, you might want to make /home it's own
[03:41] <hondje> That way if you have to do it again, or switch distro, you can save all your stuff
[03:41] <Adross> this is a really old hdd
[03:41] <Adross> i don't really trust it
[03:41] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: any luck with the menu/
[03:41] <thoreauputic> ?
[03:48] <hondje> NVRM: bad caching on address 0xeaee7000: actual 0x163 != expected 0x173 ...that sounds bad, what is it?
[03:49] <klaas_> Hey there
[03:49] <jimcooncat> I've got X-Deep running on my Win98 machine -- it's working great for viewing my Ubuntu box down cellar! But what do I set on the Ubuntu box so my Windoze X server can find Ubuntu's font server -- do I even have one installed?
[03:50] <ArmedGeek> i gotta say, i've been around the linux block, ran all the top distros, but this thing has got to be THE smoothest desktop linux i've ever seen
[03:50] <jimcooncat> google failed me on this one
[03:50] <hondje> ArmedGeek: Yeah, makes a great desktop
[03:51] <klaas_> Does anybody know if there's an irc channel for user-mode-linux? Couldn't find it..
[03:51] <ArmedGeek> sure makes me consider running debian on the servers
[03:52] <Ng> ArmedGeek: do, especially now sarge is out :)
[03:52] <klaas_> ArmedGeek: Don't consider, DO!!! ;-)
[03:52] <hondje> I run debian on my servers, it's great
[03:52] <Guybrush|work> ArmedGeek, definitely the right time to switch :)
[03:52] <hondje> Not too many stupid defaults in sarge :)
[03:52] <Ng> ArmedGeek: notice the excellently unbiased response you're getting ;)
[03:52] <klaas_> Sarge rocks.
[03:52] <ArmedGeek> heh
[03:52] <mike__> Guybrush|work: It worked, (screen resolution) thx alot, now I can finally read, was all blurry b4
[03:52] <Guybrush|work> even if the upgrade from woody was far from painless
[03:52] <jimcooncat> anyone know about font servers?
[03:53] <hondje> Guybrush|work: Was it? Any big gotchas?
[03:53] <klaas_> doesn't ubuntu use defoma?
[03:53] <Guybrush|work> mike__: VERY GOOD, do you know how to set it up to run at boot before other scripts ?
[03:53] <ArmedGeek> i've thought about it for a while but debian blows as a desktop and i really prefer to run the same system on desktop and servers. just makes my life easier
[03:53] <Guybrush|work> hondje: needed to use 855resolution
[03:53] <mike__> Guybrush|work: Not, really, is it easy?
[03:53] <klaas_> By default defoma works on a unix socket.
[03:53] <Guybrush|work> hondje:sorry, did not understand. Wait a sec, ill reply
[03:54] <Guybrush|work> mike__: back to priv
[03:54] <hondje> Guybrush|work: ok
[03:54] <klaas_> jimcooncat: Maybe you can tweak the config to make it listen on a tcp.
[03:54] <zerokills> hey, im getting an error when i run: sudo apt-get install w32codecs   .... can someone help me out?
[03:54] <TokenBad> I know popey helped with this last night..but what was the command to see the partitions on a drive
[03:55] <hondje> zerokills: error would be nice...do you have a marillat repo added?
[03:56] <e0f> now, i reinstalled my ubuntu, but i don't listen .mp3...help me
[03:56] <topyli> TokenBad: fdisk -l /dev/hdX
[03:56] <zerokills> hondje: ive got the repos add from the ubuntuguide.org
[03:56] <TokenBad> thanks topyli
[03:56] <jimcooncat> klass_ : what's the name of the font server, please?
[03:56] <hondje> zerokills: did you run 'sudo apt-get update'?
[03:56] <Moe|Joe> hey
[03:56] <zerokills> hondje: yea
[03:57] <Moe|Joe> anyone had problems installin 5.04 on a ibm 600x
[03:57] <hondje> zerokills: grep marillat /etc/apt/sources.list return any lines?
[03:57] <klaas_> jimcooncat: defoma
[03:58] <zerokills> hondje: sorry im new to linux.. whats grep?
[03:58] <lotusleaf> zerokills, man grep
[03:58] <jimcooncat> thanks klass_ !
[03:58] <hondje> zerokills: grep is a command that searchs a file for a particular string
[03:58] <Guybrush|work> hondje: had dependencies problems trying to dist-upgrade
[03:59] <hondje> Guybrush|work: any you couldn't get around?
[03:59] <Guybrush|work> hondje: had to use aptitude AND manually upgrading several packages
[03:59] <Moe|Joe> anyone had problems installin 5.04 on a ibm 600x??? anyone?
[03:59] <hondje> Guybrush|work: ouch, guess that's tomorrow night for me :-/
[03:59] <hondje> zerokills: that command I gave you, run it
[03:59] <Guybrush|work> hondje: it didn't update lilo correctly and the system would not boot anymore (using LVM on root, nasty)
[04:00] <hondje> zerokills: if it gives you any answer, then next step
[04:00] <TokenBad> is there a suggested dir to install some programs from when installing them on here...like I tried to install cedega but it didn't work right
[04:00] <zerokills> hondje: i ran it and nothing came up
[04:00] <Guybrush|work> hondje: but fixed everything at last
[04:00] <hondje> Guybrush|work: lucky for me, the woody boxes (both) don't have anything too fancy
[04:00] <hondje> zerokills: okay, you need to add a line to that file. Open it with sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:01] <Guybrush|work> hondje: safe choice, just prepare a CD to boot off with anything you need (it was hard when i discovered knoppix had no LVM support)
[04:01] <hondje> Guybrush|work: hopefully it wn't go too bad for me
[04:01] <hondje> ah, good thinking
[04:01] <Guybrush|work> hondje: just a tip, read carefully the release notes
[04:01] <e0f> i don't listen mp3 with my ubuntu, i what mode i resolve?
[04:02] <hondje> thanks, Guybrush|work
[04:02] <Guybrush|work> e0f, maybe it's in the FAQ, read topic
[04:02] <zerokills> hondje: whats the line i need to add?
[04:02] <e0f> Guybrush|work: paste me the link please :)
[04:02] <ffm_> anybody have any preferences on a text based IM program?  preferably a multi-platform one, but MSN is the most important
[04:02] <Guybrush|work> e0f: read the topic, the link is there
[04:02] <TokenBad> is there a way to give my user account root access so I don't have to keep going into supper user mode?
[04:03] <hondje> zerokills: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
[04:03] <klaas_> jimcooncat: maybe if you edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change: unix/:7100 to tcp/:7100
[04:04] <klaas_> jimcooncat: Though I have to add that that's a blind guess.. ;-)
[04:05] <hondje> so if it's in xorg.conf, you don't need fontserver?
[04:05] <micke> Guybrush|work: Hi, this is mike__ (screen resolution), i think my connection went down, sorry about that
[04:05] <Guybrush|work> TokenBad: u use sudo, don't you ?
[04:05] <Guybrush|work> micke no prob
[04:05] <Guybrush|work> back to priv :)
[04:05] <epl> ffm_: I like centericq
[04:05] <klaas_> hondje: I'm afraid I was late anyway.. he just leftt.
[04:05] <hondje> klaas_: hehe
[04:05] <epl> ffm_: not using it for MSN though
[04:05] <zerokills> hondje: i ran sudo apt-get update and came back saying GPG error for the ftp.nerim.net
[04:06] <TokenBad> Guybrush|work, but I want to be able to use the gui interface as well to do stuff...but it will not let me..
[04:06] <klaas_> hondje: And it'w about running an x-server on win98 and connecting to the x & font-server on the ubuntu machine.
[04:06] <ffm_> epl: but it works with MSN?  what about jabber?
[04:06] <TokenBad> only way so far I found is in root terminal
[04:06] <hondje> klaas_: ouch
[04:06] <klaas_> hondje: yeah!
[04:06] <flykes> How can I mount the windows partition with full read and write capability?
[04:06] <flykes> windows xp
[04:06] <klaas_> flykes: ntfs?
[04:07] <hondje> zerokills: that's okay, we're only using it for a minute. now try sudo apt-get install w32codec
[04:07] <epl> ffm_: It supports both MSN and Jabber yes
[04:07] <flykes> yeah
[04:07] <ffm_> epl: sweet, thanks
[04:07] <Guybrush|work> TokenBad:
[04:07] <TokenBad> yeah Guybrush|work ?
[04:07] <Adross> just an idea
[04:07] <klaas_> flykes: Do you have read access?
[04:07] <Adross> if ubuntu-base was uninstalled
[04:07] <Guybrush|work> Applications->system tools->run as different user
[04:07] <zerokills> hondje: comes back with the same error as earlier
[04:07] <hondje> zerokills: sorry, apt-get install w32codecs
[04:07] <Adross> from the terminal, i could just reinstall it right
[04:07] <Adross> same with ubuntu-desktop
[04:07] <flykes> klaas_, yeah, I followed ubuntuguide, and made it read-only.. but now I want to also be able to write
[04:08] <zerokills> hondje: no sudo?
[04:08] <hondje> zerokills: yes, sudo always, sorry
[04:08] <Guybrush|work> TokenBad: forget it, i said a stupid thing
[04:08] <TokenBad> ok
[04:08] <TokenBad> heheh
[04:08] <zerokills> lol
[04:08] <TokenBad> was looking at it..and was like that not what wanted
[04:08] <Guybrush|work> TokenBad: u need to give a password to root to use Run as different user
[04:08] <zerokills> hondje: still getting an error
[04:09] <hondje> zerokills: sudo  gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907
[04:09] <klaas_> flykes: ntfs write-support is (as far as i know) still experimental, and therefore not recommendable unless there's no data on your ntfs partition you can't afford to loose..
[04:09] <TokenBad> it has a pass
[04:09] <steven> guybrush|work, well have you tried $ sudo su <user>?
[04:09] <hondje> klaas_: http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/xlivecd/xlivecd-20041201.iso
[04:09] <flykes> klaas_, ohh.. then I don't want to mess up my windows partition.. thank you..
[04:09] <Guybrush|work> steven: yep, it's not my prob, but TokenBad's
[04:10] <klaas_> hondje: what's that?
[04:10] <hondje> klaas_: I use that on windows, made by a friend-of-a-friend, runs great
[04:10] <steven> oh:)
[04:10] <TokenBad> yeah I just want to use my normal useraccount as root account..
[04:10] <hondje> klaas_: cygwin/X live CD, just pop it in and boot up
[04:10] <steven> tokenbad, you wonna use the root account?
[04:10] <TokenBad> so don't have to keep doing the sudo stuff
[04:10] <steven> tokenbad, well... you have to su;)
[04:10] <Guybrush|work> TokenBad, only using root account
[04:10] <klaas_> hondje: Thanks, It's not for me though.. I don't use windows so....
[04:10] <Guybrush|work> but that is a BAD IDEA
[04:10] <steven> tokenbad, so I can't see the big problem
[04:10] <zerokills> sigh... hondje i cant get this to work
[04:10] <hondje> klaas_: Neither do I, other than a tiny bit at work. Lucky us ;-)
[04:11] <TokenBad> yeah cause if using the gui interface..it will not let me do stuff from that..only from root terminal
[04:11] <hondje> zerokills: okay, plan b
[04:11] <steven> tokenbad, but you simply type `$ sudo passwd root` for chaningen the root password
[04:11] <hondje> zerokills: remove that line we added from the file, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:11] <Guybrush|work> no steven, he wants to run any app as root
[04:11] <klaas_> hondje: My boss let's me choose/install my own system.. so for me that's pretty much covered. ;-)
[04:11] <thoreauputic> TokenBad: running X as root is a seriously Bad move (tm)
[04:12] <zerokills> hondje: k done
[04:12] <hondje> klaas_: Same here, linux all over the place, but I sometimes have to use win box at school to print stuff off :(
[04:12] <Guybrush|work> :-) thoreauputic
[04:12] <steven> guybrush|work, aah heeh, hard to focus on the real problem with all that text;)
[04:12] <hondje> zerokills: okay, /query me
[04:12] <zerokills> ?
[04:12] <klaas_> hondje: Apart from that damned active-directory and exchange-server he's crazy about.. gollum gollum... ;-)
[04:12] <Eighth> why is firefox making me download or open a .php file?  shouldn't it execute the script?
[04:12] <hondje> klaas_: Soon we might switch to hula :D
[04:13] <flautist> Hello. How does one change the language used on the desktop in UbuntuPPC?
[04:13] <klaas_> hondje: hula?
[04:13] <zerokills> hondje: /query you?
[04:13] <Guybrush|work> Eighth, badly configured web server
[04:13] <hondje> klaas_: yeah, it's awesome thing novell is making
[04:13] <hondje> zerokills: in your client, /query hondje
[04:13] <Eighth> that'd do it... i haven't done anything to set up apache... not really sure where to start as this is my first time
[04:13] <klaas_> hondje: We're planning on switching to something like openexchange.. cyrus-imap openldap samba heimdal-kerberos...
[04:13] <kimo> anyone knows where can I download gcc debs for ubuntu manually (not with apt) ?
[04:13] <klaas_> hondje: I can't wait...
[04:13] <hondje> oh, heavy :)
[04:13] <steven> guybrush|work, or it could be a newbie who doesnt have php extention on his site;)
[04:14] <Guybrush|work> :D
[04:14] <flautist> anyone?
[04:14] <ubuntuvannes> hi, i'm french sorry for my english :) . i can't change my screen rate, how can i increase it with the terminal?
[04:14] <klaas_> hondje: Where do you work?
[04:14] <klaas_> hondje: You're dutch right?
[04:14] <hondje> No, american
[04:14] <thoreauputic> kimo: why? just use the -d flag for apt to download without installing
[04:14] <hondje> work for a small local company
[04:14] <epl> flautist: you can set it from GDM
[04:14] <Eighth> hondje: how many times have you been asked that? :P
[04:14] <klaas_> hondje: Oh, okay.. misguided by you nick.
[04:14] <kimo> thoreauputic, I have no not connection at home
[04:14] <thoreauputic> ah OK
[04:14] <hondje> Eighth: over the years, a LOT :)
[04:15] <kimo> thoreauputic, where are all the debs
[04:15] <flautist> okay, thanks. :)
[04:15] <epl> kimo: /var/cache/apt/archives/
[04:16] <kimo> epl, which URL I mean, I want to download through browser (window machine)
[04:16] <epl> kimo: archive.ubuntulinux.org
[04:17] <kimo> epl, thnx :)
[04:17] <TokenBad> I don't want to change the root password...I want to be able to be using the gui interface for example to move files or such..and when try it says permission denied
[04:17] <bobwJek> Hey guys, how is ubuntu different than my debian installation for my desktio?
[04:18] <hondje> bobwJek: gnome 2.10, xfce 4.2, etc
[04:18] <thoreauputic> TokenBad: run th efile manager with `gksudo nautlus`
[04:18] <thoreauputic> *nautilus
[04:18] <TokenBad> uh..lost me
[04:18] <hondje> bobwJek: it's basically just debian w/ newer desktop pkgs
[04:18] <klaas_> bobwJek: Comes with a gui by default, newer packages.
[04:18] <steven> tokenbad, you probably need to export display
[04:19] <thoreauputic> TokenBad: what's difficult about it? Type  gksudo nautilus
[04:19] <bobwJek> thats cool
[04:19] <epl> debian properly configured for desktop use? :)
[04:19] <hondje> epl: and stable enough to be usable
[04:19] <TokenBad> says auth failed when did that thoreauputic
[04:20] <hondje> though it crashes more than I'd like....oh well, nothing is perfect
[04:20] <thoreauputic> TokenBad: are you trying to run gnome as root?
[04:20] <Guybrush|work> TokenBad you must type YOUR password at the prompt
[04:20] <epl> TokenBad: http://ubuntuguide.org/#browsefilesfoldersasrootnautilus
[04:20] <Guybrush|work> not root's one
[04:20] <steven> tokenbad, you have to export your display as root
[04:20] <klaas_> My ubuntu's never crashed.. like my previous debian desktops.
[04:20] <hondje> klaas_: lucky :(
[04:20] <thoreauputic> TokenBad: probably your .Xauthority file is now wrong
[04:20] <klaas_> hondje: I ques...! ;-)
[04:20] <Guybrush|work> thoreauputic: nasty :-|
[04:21] <hondje> Or I'm unlucky, hrm
[04:21] <TokenBad> While connecting to session manager:
[04:21] <Guybrush|work> luckily i use the console for serious work :)
[04:21] <TokenBad> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[04:21] <TokenBad> thats what it says
[04:21] <thoreauputic> steven; he *doesn't * need to export anything
[04:21] <epl> hondje: are you saying debian isnt stable?
[04:21] <hondje> epl: Oh god no, I'm saying ubuntu isn't as stable as debian
[04:21] <klaas_> epl: Ouch..
[04:21] <hd420> anyone know why libgmp is listed as broken?
[04:22] <steven> thoreauputic, how would you else permit a gui app. as a x-server?
[04:22] <epl> hondje: ok
[04:22] <hd420> and how to tell apt that the package does indeed exist but was built by hand?
[04:22] <TokenBad> anyone know a ftp server software that works with ubuntu?
[04:22] <klaas_> hd420: Create a package, and install the package.
[04:22] <thoreauputic> TokenBad:sudo  rm ~/.Xauthority , log out, log back in and stop trying to run X apps as rott
[04:22] <steven> proftpd
[04:22] <hd420> klasas: how?
[04:22] <hondje> vsftpd
[04:23] <klaas_> hd420: What do you want to install.
[04:23] <hd420> libgmp3
[04:23] <klaas_> hd420: apt-get source libgmp3
[04:23] <hd420> I'd like to use the darcs VCS
[04:23] <klaas_> hd420: apt-get source libgmp3-dev
[04:23] <AirWays> Where I can start IRCD?
[04:24] <klaas_> hd420: apt-get install cvs-buildpackage
[04:24] <kimo> anyone knows where to download old libstdc++ for legacy apps ?
[04:24] <Mahl> So whats the best dvd player for linux
[04:24] <Mahl> vlc is kinda buggy...well a little bit
[04:24] <klaas_> hd420: And check out the manpages.
[04:24] <thoreauputic> steven: running X as root, which is what he wants to do, is deprecated, dumb and dangerous: I discourage it and instead suggest gksudo
[04:24] <Mahl> and any ops in here?
[04:25] <Mahl> Bebeq spams picture links in PM'S...probably virus...not that it concerns us
[04:25] <klaas_> hd420: man cvs-buildpackage
[04:26] <sharp> i have a problem: usb keyboard won't work in grub
[04:26] <klaas_> hd420: then dpkg -i {created debfile}
[04:26] <steven> thoreauputic, yeah
[04:26] <AirWays> Where I can start IRCD?
[04:26] <flautist> well, I found how to change the language, but all I have is about 15 different variations of English. Is there a language pack or something that I can install so I can get German?
[04:27] <TokenBad> how do you add like java and stuff to mozilla
[04:27] <klaas_> AirWays: sudo invoke-rc.d ircd start ?
[04:27] <TokenBad> everytime try to use plugin stuff it errors out
[04:27] <steven> tokenbad, huh?
[04:27] <steven> tokenbad, do you mean a plugin?
[04:27] <TokenBad> when I go to a site
[04:27] <hd420> klaas: uhh... no, mate, you're not seeing my point
[04:27] <TokenBad> and it wants the java runtime stuff
[04:27] <steven> yeah
[04:27] <hd420> darcs is NOT CVS
[04:28] <Guybrush|work> TokenBad, it's in the FAQ
[04:28] <hd420> it's used in lieu of cvs
[04:28] <TokenBad> it tries to use the plugin stuff
[04:28] <TokenBad> ok Guybrush|work
[04:28] <klaas_> hd420: Oh, sorry.
[04:28] <AirWays> sudo: /etc/init.d/ircd: command not found
[04:28] <hd420> klaas: and the bloody package is broken
[04:29] <AirWays> I have installed that and configured
[04:29] <flautist> Anyone?
[04:29] <klaas_> hd420: You could just compile and install in /usr/local that's what it's for.
[04:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> flautist- what german do you want, and what for
[04:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> system wide?
[04:30] <sharp> is there any way i can make a usb keyboard work with grub?
[04:30] <flautist> Kamping_Kaiser: yes, I am taking German in college, and I want to use it a little outside of class so that I don't lose it.
[04:30] <klaas_> sharp: usb-legacy & keyboard support in your bios?
[04:30] <flautist> so, I wanted to make my system use German.
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> system wide or just openoffice?
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[04:31] <flautist> system wide
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have a similar problem, and i cant work out how to remove locals
[04:31] <hd420> klaas: you miss the point
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> give me a tic
[04:31] <klaas_> hd420: I guess I do.. completely
[04:31] <AirWays> asdf
[04:31] <klaas_> hd420: So you want it in your package-management system.
[04:32] <sharp> klaas_, yes, but it doesn't work. the lights on the keyboard and mouse just blink on and off
[04:33] <TokenBad> I just tried this: sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[04:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> "language-support-de - metapackage for German language support" i think flautist, but i installed the locals on install, so not sure
[04:33] <TokenBad> and it says the package not exist
[04:33] <swarm> do you have managed to make Sun j2sdk 1.5.0, or even just Sun j2sdk 1.4.2, on Ubuntu Hoary 5.04 for AMD64?
[04:34] <klaas_> sharp: check out the manpage for dpkg-buildpackage
[04:34] <thoreauputic> TokenBad: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:34] <thoreauputic> TokenBad: read and follow that
[04:35] <klaas_> hd420: I hope I got the point this time.. ;-)
[04:35] <toran> anyone know of a good graphical tool to use to [re] format a harddrive?
[04:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> qtparted?
[04:35] <thoreauputic> toran: gparted or qtparted
[04:35] <toran> blech
[04:35] <toran> I'll see if I can get it to work again
[04:36] <toran> ooh, I haven't tried gparted
[04:36] <toran> I'll check it out
[04:36] <flautist> Okay, I found the package, and it's installing now. :)
[04:36] <flautist> thanks, Kamping_Kaiser!
[04:36] <toran> I sometimes prefer the GTK interfaces to things
[04:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> good luck :)
[04:36] <toran> thanks :)
[04:36] <toran> it's not my main hard drive, I'm hoping I won't need too much luck
[04:37] <TokenBad> thoreauputic,  ok..checking
[04:38] <toran> ok, when I try to unmount my hard drive it says "device busy". how can I check what I have happening on that hard drive?
[04:38] <klaas_> sharp: sorry that was for hd420..
[04:38] <klaas_> hd420:  check out the manpage for dpkg-buildpackage
[04:38] <toran> I closed all windows and changed out of that directory in all my terminals, and it still says busy
[04:39] <klaas_> toran: Maybe the hal-daemon is in the way.
[04:39] <toran> possibly. Lemme do a ps ax and grep for it
[04:39] <toran> 6499 ?        Ss     0:02 /usr/sbin/hald --drop-privilege
[04:40] <toran> should I kill that process?
[04:40] <klaas_> toran: You could try.
[04:40] <toran> still busy
[04:40] <toran> well, I think I'll just take it out of /etc/fstab and reboot
[04:40] <klaas_> toran: Maybe run sync a couple of times then retry.
[04:41] <toran> still busy :|
[04:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> toran what did you try unmount?
[04:41] <klaas_> toran: What filesystem do you want tu unmount?
[04:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> and whas not unmounting
[04:41] <toran> umount /dev/hda2
[04:41] <toran> it is mounted to /old
[04:41] <toran> I'm actually using sudo to run the command
[04:41] <klaas_> toran: What's your cwd?
[04:42] <toran> /home/jon
[04:42] <toran> for all my terminals
[04:42] <toran> no file browser sessions open
[04:42] <klaas_> toran: try: lsof | grep -i '/old'
[04:42] <toran> jon@gimli:~$ sof | grep -i '/old'
[04:42] <toran> -bash: sof: command not found
[04:42] <toran> jon@gimli:~$
[04:42] <thoreauputic> lsof
[04:43] <klaas_> toran: lsof. not sof
[04:43] <toran> got it now :)
[04:43] <toran> thought it was a " | "
[04:43] <scotth> I'm trying to get postfix configured on a network where we automatically install machines.  And I'm trying to keep from munging the main.cf by including in it myhostname = /etc/postfix/host and the README.Debian says that should work, but postfix complains saying the hostname is bad as if its not reading the file... am I reading the README.Debian wrong?  Am I not able to do this?  Or is there a better way of doing this?
[04:43] <toran> and that you had made a typo or somethign
[04:43] <klaas_> toran: nope..
[04:43] <toran> got it now, just a moment :)
[04:43] <klaas_> toran: any results?
[04:43] <toran> I'm pastebin'ing
[04:43] <Amaranth> toran: you need a better font :)
[04:44] <toran> bah, I love artwiz :)
[04:44] <toran> http://pastebin.com/298399
[04:44] <toran> my guess: kill gam_server
[04:44] <toran> *gam_serve
[04:45] <Shufla> hello
[04:45] <hd420> klaas: the point of having a package system is to avoid compiling shit by hand. I'm a developer, not a system admin
[04:45] <Shufla> i'm looking for good ubuntized pdf-reader for gnome (except Acrobat and xpdf)
[04:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey shufla
[04:45] <scotth> Shufla, evince
[04:45] <toran> Shufla: I love kpdf, it is incredible
[04:45] <klaas_> scotth: myhostname = /etc/hostname, localhost.localdomain localhost
[04:45] <hd420> klaas: furthermore, i have no desire to become one
[04:45] <klaas_> scotth: myhostname = /etc/hostname, localhost.localdomain, localhost
[04:45] <Shufla> scotth: ahh :)
[04:45] <klaas_> scotth: maybe
[04:45] <bartekp> Shufla: gpdf but he hasn't search :\
[04:45] <Shufla> afair [petek]  is irc-spammer
[04:46] <toran> ok guys, killed gam_serve and it worked
[04:46] <klaas_> hd420: I won't discuss that with you. sorry.
[04:46] <toran> so if anyone has a similar problem as me, just tell 'em to try killing gam_server
[04:46] <scotth> klaas_, yeah, no dice.  Still doesn't like the file thing
[04:46] <klaas_> hd420: I understand your frustrations but if the package you require is broken you'll have to find another way.. compile it..
[04:46] <penguinboy> I need help
[04:46] <Shufla> is evincie hoary ubuntuized?
[04:47] <scotth> Shufla, I believe so
[04:47] <scotth> I use it on a daily basis
[04:47] <klaas_> scotth: Strange, it works for /etc/mailname...
[04:47] <scotth> it may be in universe
[04:47] <lamont-away> scotth: policy (debian) says that things get the hostname from /etc/mailname...
[04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> penguinboy, always STATE THE PROBLEM
[04:47] <justin> hd420: so file a bug on the darcs package to get it fixed
[04:47] <klaas_> scotth: Maybe you should check out the postfix mailinglists? Maybe the irc channel? #postfix
[04:47] <lamont-away> but if you just put 'foo.baz.com' in /etc/postfix/host, it should work
[04:47] <scotth> klaas_, doesn't do it on my system for /etc/mailname
[04:47] <klaas_> scotth: Or report the bug and wait.
[04:48] <klaas_> scotth: Sorry, that's for hd420.
[04:48] <scotth> yeah I have the machine's FQDN in /etc/postfix/host
[04:48] <klaas_> hd420: Or report the bug and wait.
[04:48] <lamont-away> scotth: are you using the postfix from upstream, or from ubuntu?
[04:48] <Shufla> ok, got it :D
[04:48] <scotth> lamont-away, ubuntu
[04:48] <scotth> it says you can do that right in the README.Debian
[04:48] <klaas_> scotth: Won't it start at all?
[04:48] <lamont-away> oh - wait.. myhostname, or mailorigin?
[04:48] <Shufla> it's so lame... polish goverment sites use .doc all the time. F@CK!!!
[04:49] <TokenBad> I did what the one site said...added the sites for the java plugin..and did the sudo apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5.0 but it says can't find the package
[04:49] <scotth> lamont-away,  myhostname is what I want to set
[04:49] <lamont-away> myhostname doesn't read files - myorigin does
[04:49] <hd420> klaas: the bug appears to be with libgmp, there could be one with darcs as well, but apt doesn't get that far
[04:49] <lamont-away> and myorigin only does in debian and debian derived packages
[04:49] <TokenBad> I also did the update command
[04:49] <scotth> where do you find that stated?
[04:50] <Shufla> eh :( it do not have continous view :(
[04:50] <lamont-away> # INTERNET HOST AND DOMAIN NAMES
[04:50] <lamont-away> #
[04:50] <lamont-away> # The myhostname parameter specifies the internet hostname of this
[04:50] <lamont-away> # mail system. The default is to use the fully-qualified domain name
[04:50] <lamont-away> # from gethostname(). $myhostname is used as a default value for many
[04:50] <lamont-away> # other configuration parameters.
[04:50] <lamont-away> #
[04:50] <lamont-away> from the fully-blown config file
[04:50] <scotth> ahh thanks
[04:50] <lamont-away>  /usr/share/postfix/main.cf.dist
[04:51] <klaas_> lamonth-away: Would it help then to leave out the directive and let the default get it.
[04:51] <lamont-away> scotth: and from myorigin:
[04:51] <lamont-away> # Debian GNU/Linux specific:  Specifying a file name will cause the
[04:51] <lamont-away> # first line of that file to be used as the name.  The Debian default
[04:51] <lamont-away> # is /etc/mailname.
[04:51] <klaas_> lamonth-away: s/get it/do the job/
[04:51] <lamont-away> klaas_: yes
[04:51] <lamont-away> the default is to use hostname --fqdn, and hope that it's right.
[04:52] <lamont-away> sadly, for most ubuntu systems, hostname --fqdn returns 'localhost.localdomain./
[04:52] <chillywilly> *thwap*
[04:52] <klaas_> lamonth-away: edit /etc/hosts..
[04:52] <lamont-away> anyway, really really ,really off to the office, and away now.
[04:52] <scotth> yeah I'm trying to figure out how to do that now
[04:52] <lamont-away> klaas_: yeah - that's what I do. :)
[04:52] <lamont-away> scotth: make the first entry of the 127.0.0.1 line be the fqdn
[04:53] <lamont-away> instead of "localhost.localdomain"
[04:53] <penguinboy> I need assistance with installing a tarball.  I first downloaded the tarball and installed it into /home/penguinboy/Desktop/Downloads/.  Then, from Konsole I ran #tar xvzf /home/penguinboy/Desktop/Downloads/tellico-0.13.7.tar.gz.  The files were then displayd.  I then typed #cd tellico-0.13.7.tar.gz and got the error:  bash: cd: tellico-etc: No such file or directory.  I then typed #cd /home/penguinboy/Desktop/Downloads/tellico-etc and got the followin
[04:53] <penguinboy> oy/Desktop/Downloads/tellico-0.13.7.tar.gz: Not a directory
[04:53] <lamont-away> later
[04:53] <Shufla> BTW. Postfix has _GREAT_ documentation avaiable at http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html
[04:53] <scotth> lamont-away, that didn't work, but I'm guessing I can thank libnss-switch for that... thanks for the help though, I'm off to munge main.cf
[04:53] <brum> i need to move a mysql db from win to ubuntu, anyone know how to move all of the data?
[04:53] <lamont-away> Shufla: much of which is also in the postfix-doc package
[04:54] <klaas_> scotth: Maybe run /etc/init.d/hostname restart
[04:54] <Shufla> indeed. and postfix docs are easy to read and ... i just can't stand my poor english knowledge
[04:54] <klaas_> scotth: Sorry, that  doesn't work either.
[04:54] <scotth> klaas_, that last one got it
[04:55] <scotth> thanks
[04:55] <klaas_> scotth: Either restart or /sbin/sysctl -w kernel.domainname="example.com"
[04:56] <penguinboy> any insight into my problem?
[04:57] <hondje> penguinboy: ls didn't show a new directory made when you extracted the tarball?
[04:57] <klaas_> penguinboy: ls?
[04:57] <penguinboy> just a sexc
[04:57] <penguinboy> sec
[04:57] <CountDown> Heya... anyone using Ogre3D on Ubuntu?  Any success?
[04:58] <penguinboy> penguinboy@desktop:~$ ls
[04:58] <penguinboy> bookcase_0.6.6-2_i386.deb  Desktop  tellico-0.13.7
[04:58] <hondje> cd tellico<tab>
[04:59] <Shufla> ok. weekend officialy started. bye bye :D
[04:59] <penguinboy> penguinboy@desktop:~$ cd tellico-0.13.7/
[04:59] <penguinboy> penguinboy@desktop:~/tellico-0.13.7$
[04:59] <hondje> now you're in it
[04:59] <klaas_> penguinboy: Check the README..
[04:59] <radddx> hey all
[04:59] <klaas_> penguinboy: and/or INSTALL
[05:00] <mayco> Is it safe already to update the Xorg packages in breezy?
[05:00] <penguinboy> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[05:00] <penguinboy> See `config.log' for more details.
[05:00] <klaas_> mayco:  believe the topic is: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET
[05:00] <stevegriff> lets say I want to install spamassassin and maybe cyrus-sasl on ubuntu - I take it that the software installer has the packages somewhere for those
[05:00] <mayco> klaas_, yes, i know, but i'm testing quite some stuff to see what is changed, and so far, i like breezy
[05:01] <TokenBad> ok i know I asked this a min ago..but what is ftp server aplication that can get for ubuntu?
[05:01] <hondje> TokenBad: vsftpd
[05:01] <mfgalizi> I'm having a hard time making packages work on Ubuntu and Debian.  Can someone redirect me to the appropriate room?
[05:01] <radddx> I'm having trouble getting Hoary to work with my system- install goes ok then after the reboot and package installs, it starts GDM and I have a corrupted display with pointer.
[05:01] <TokenBad> ok
[05:01] <TokenBad> get the rpm files?
[05:01] <klaas_> mayco: If you're testing and trying out an unstable branche there's no guarantee you'll be able to upgrade without any problems.] 
[05:02] <hondje> TokenBad: no, use synaptic to install them
[05:02] <liwen> hello every
[05:02] <klaas_> mayco: In fact you're bound to get into trouble.. that's why it's still unstable. ;-)
[05:02] <mayco> klaas_, that doesn't matter, as long as i can test it, i'm happy. I planned to reinstall breezy anyway when it's released
[05:02] <penguinboy> should I install gawk, gcc, cc, or cl???
[05:02] <hondje> penguinboy: up to you
[05:03] <klaas_> mayco: Then what's the use of asking if you're going to install it anyway?
[05:03] <hondje> I would, since I compile things I like having gcc around
[05:03] <radddx> is this just a problem with radeon 9250's and large displays? My lcd is 1600x1200 native res
[05:03] <penguinboy> will that take care of:  configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[05:03] <klaas_> mayco: known problems?
[05:03] <liwen> is ununtu support hotplug usb?
[05:03] <klaas_> liwen: yes.
[05:03] <mayco> klaas_, yes, i saw there were quite some problems with Xorg, and i was wondering if they are fixed now
[05:03] <klaas_> liwen: works for me.
[05:03] <liwen> why i plugin a usbdisk , not work
[05:04] <mayco> klaas_, so i don't need to upgrade for nothing
[05:04] <klaas_> mayco: I have no idea.. ;-) good luck.
[05:04] <mayco> klaas_, btw, if nobody would run breezy, there would be no testing, and the final woudn't be so stable :)
[05:05] <klaas_> mayco: True.
[05:05] <TokenBad> synaptic?
[05:05] <liwen> 32M usbdisk. i cant find it in /media/usbdisk
[05:05] <penguinboy> okay I installed gcc and then ran ./configure and I got this message:  configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check...now what?
[05:05] <liwen> klaas?
[05:06] <klaas_> liwen: I think it's mounted elsewhere. I'll check it out.
[05:06] <inc595> hey anyone know how to fix the windows share in nautilus
[05:06] <TokenBad> hondje,  how use synaptic?
[05:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> fix?
[05:06] <hondje> TokenBad: system -> admin -> synaptic
[05:07] <Luakagon> gah! I need help :< trying to install ndiswrapper for good wireless internet time, but I have to have kernel sources.  Where can I get them?  Are they on the installation disk?
[05:07] <sproingie> argh.  how can anyone possibly like openoffice?
[05:07] <hondje> TokenBad: If you aren't very knowledgable about this stuff, I'd recommend you seriously RTFM before setting up an ftp server.  Getting owned is unpleasant
[05:07] <sproingie> i'm 20 minutes into using it
[05:07] <sproingie> and i'm already feeling homicidal
[05:07] <inc595> sproingie, openoffice rox
[05:07] <penguinboy> i like openoffice
[05:08] <hondje> what's waht wrong with openoffice?
[05:08] <inc595> sproingie, i think code weavers have a version of microsoft office that works on linux
[05:08] <sproingie> for me, it pops up this "clippie" like thing, except it does nothing but just appear.  clicking ANY button on it pops up a BLANK help dialog
[05:08] <NaTaZ> hi @ all
[05:09] <klaas_> liwen: wierd my usb-stick won't mount at all.. I never had problems with it before.
[05:09] <Luakagon> hi@u
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[05:09] <liwen> klaas_  ok
[05:09] <sproingie> it uses "smart quotes" though I still haven't tracked down the setting for turning them off.  admittedly my doc has quotes in weird places, so it would probably confuse word too
[05:09] <NaTaZ> I have a little problem
[05:09] <penguinboy> checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... no
[05:09] <penguinboy> checking whether g++ accepts -g... no
[05:09] <NaTaZ> i want to install nmap and nmapfe
[05:09] <liwen> klaas_  haha ,whats problem
[05:09] <penguinboy> checking dependency style of g++... none
[05:09] <inc595> so any know why one day I could browser my windows boxes with nautilus one day and not now
[05:09] <sproingie> the dropdown for "styles" doesn't actually show any styles.  you have to use the style navigator
[05:09] <penguinboy> checking whether g++ supports -Wmissing-format-attribute... no
[05:09] <NaTaZ> but i havent got my cd with me
[05:09] <penguinboy> checking whether gcc supports -Wmissing-format-attribute... yes
[05:09] <penguinboy> checking whether g++ supports -Wundef... no
[05:09] <hondje> penguinboy: please dont' flood
[05:09] <penguinboy> checking whether g++ supports -Wno-long-long... no
[05:09] <penguinboy> checking whether g++ supports -Wnon-virtual-dtor... no
[05:09] <penguinboy> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[05:09] <penguinboy> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[05:09] <sproingie> changing a style to a heading doesn't actually change its font size
[05:10] <penguinboy> sorry...i was just posting my errors when I ran ./configure
[05:10] <klaas_> liwen: dmesg detects it no prob. but no automount.
[05:10] <sproingie> at least it's more stable than abiword.  i used to love abiword
[05:10] <sproingie> now it crashes every other thing i do
[05:10] <NaTaZ> how can i say synaptic that he has to download it
[05:10] <NaTaZ> from internet and not from the cd
[05:10] <NaTaZ> ?
[05:11] <sproingie> maybe kword has what i want.  not that i ever found koffice all that stable either
[05:11] <liwen> ohh. what happen. mount to where
[05:11] <klaas_> liwen: oh well, you can always mount by hand.
[05:11] <TokenBad> hondje, rtfm?
[05:12] <klaas_> liwen: dmesg
[05:12] <hondje> TokenBad: read the manual
[05:12] <liwen> mount /dev/sda1? or sda2?
[05:13] <liwen> klaas ?
[05:13] <NaTaZ> anyone?
[05:13] <NaTaZ> please i need help
[05:13] <demantik> hello people
[05:13] <inc595> NaTaZ, belview is in another channel
[05:13] <klaas_> liwen: look for tail /var/log/syslog | grep 'creating device node'
[05:14] <NaTaZ> bel what?
[05:14] <sproingie> NaTaZ: edit the cdrom line out of your sources.list
[05:14] <inc595> nm
[05:14] <NaTaZ> okay, thx
[05:14] <klaas_> liwen: then sudo mkdir /media/usbmem
[05:14] <klaas_> liwen: sudo mount /dev/{newdevice} /media/usbmem
[05:14] <sproingie> NaTaZ: probably wise to just comment it out, actually
[05:14] <NaTaZ> jipp
[05:14] <TokenBad> ahh
[05:15] <NaTaZ> thx @ sproingie
[05:15] <hondje> it'd be cool if firestarter watched auth.log
[05:15] <demantik> Can anybody explain why H264 movies run about 2x better on ubuntu than winxp? lol j/k =P
[05:15] <liwen> klaas thx .i try .
[05:15] <inc595> firestarter is evil.. it blocks isohunt
[05:15] <hondje> isohunt?
[05:16] <demantik> blocks isohunt? lol
[05:16] <demantik> unblock it then.
[05:16] <inc595> ya
[05:16] <hondje> I like firestarter, makes smarter rules than port-obsessed apps like guarddog
[05:16] <klaas_> liwen: /dev/sda1 = 1st partition, /dev/sda2 = 2nd partition.
[05:16] <demantik> basic program..but yes it works.
[05:17] <inc595> well actually isohunt causes firestarter to block it
[05:17] <hondje> firestarter blocks dict, though, which irks me
[05:17] <inc595> damn isohunt for trying to port scan me
[05:18] <hondje> what is isohunt?
[05:18] <inc595> isohunt.org
[05:18] <inc595> check it out
[05:18] <Teherkan> hi
[05:19] <demantik> i never found much good there
[05:19] <demantik> pretty minimal results.
[05:19] <inc595> sorry ish=ohunt.com
[05:19] <inc595> argh
[05:19] <inc595> isohunt.com lol
[05:19] <inc595> demantik, i find everything there
[05:19] <hondje> oh, it's p2p
[05:19] <Teherkan> my ubuntu laptop does not recognize the minus at startup, i have to change keyboard setings /change for another model/ to use te - or the _
[05:20] <hondje> I stopped doing that when napster died
[05:20] <Teherkan> what should i do?
[05:20] <inc595> napster is back lol
[05:20] <hondje> Maybe the name resolves, but it's still dead to me
[05:20] <hornsby> got a problem with some email coming from France, can see ?
[05:20] <tommi^> Hi. I'm configuring my sound system. All sounds play just fine but I can't get my microphone to work. Multimedia Systems Selector: Default sink as alsa works but when testing the default source as alsa or esd I get: "failed to construct pipeline".  I've configured asound.conf (not if it's right) and set the volumes correct. Alsamixer identifies my SB live as card 1. What should I do? Thanks
[05:20] <wdh> inc595, depends on what you define as 'back' :)
[05:21] <inc595> wdh, i hear that
[05:21] <hornsby> sorry, can't see the caractere with    ...
[05:21] <hornsby> why so ?
[05:21] <hondje> No good music to download anymore, either...I own all the cd's I want
[05:21] <radddx> has anyone here had problems with a radeon 9250 and a 1600x1200 lcd?
[05:21] <inc595> hondje, move on to movies lol
[05:21] <hondje> inc595: Just can't bring myself to do it, dunno
[05:22] <hondje> maybe it's that moral-nagging, maybe it's just being too old to care about moives
[05:22] <wdh> tommi^, try using some volume manager.. you mic is probably muted?
[05:22] <inc595> hondje, just sit back and wait for the movie industry to come knocking atyour door
[05:22] <toran> Hey guys, I'm trying to get the media player working in the kde file-sharing program "apollon". when I click on the "player" tab, I see the message "Please install the KDE multimedia-video package to enable the media player.". I'm on [k] ubuntu, and I tried typing "apt-get install kdemultimedia-video", but it couldn't find any packages. I looked through the package list and didn't see anything of the sort in there, either. What should i do?
[05:22] <tommi^> wdh, it's not muted.
[05:22] <hondje> the movie industy irks me
[05:22] <hondje> all the new kids movies for my daughter have some damn 'don't steal movies' thing at the beginninig
[05:23] <J35U5> toran, synaptic it.
[05:23] <inc595> people irk me :)
[05:23] <paulfox> hi all
[05:23] <hornsby> hi everybody, I have problems with some email coming from france and some french webpages, I can't see any character like    ... any idea ?
[05:23] <wdh> tommi^, how do you know that? i dont recall recognising anything called 'asound.conf' on my system
[05:23] <hondje> I'm all for defending your IP, etc, the gpl needs it, but I don't like people trying to tell my daughter right from wrong, that's my job X(
[05:23] <paulfox> is it possible to add an extension on to each file name in a dir, without having to do them one at a time?
[05:24] <radddx> hmm is the right place to ask for help with ubuntu?
[05:24] <demantik> yes
[05:24] <inc595> hondje, blind control over you all HAHAHA
[05:24] <wdh> tommi^, apt-cache search kde |grep multimedia
[05:24] <hondje> inc595: eh, I'll just rip them, take that crap out, and burn them :)
[05:24] <demantik> radddx - looks like nobody's had that problem
[05:25] <SigNagE> can someone help me with my network?
[05:25] <tommi^> wdh, I know that because I've set the volume and not muted from the gnome volume control for the microphone. /etc/asound.conf is on my system and is mentioned in documents in ubuntuforum
[05:25] <paulfox> any ideas anyone?
[05:25] <hondje> tommi^: killall esd help?
[05:25] <hornsby> am I the only  one having problem with character like    ?
[05:25] <hondje> paulfox: yes, it sure is
[05:25] <wdh> hondje, search for 'utf-8' on the wiki, there'll probably be a solution there.. bottomline is that you need to use it :) no time explaining exactly how to change to it..
[05:25] <radddx> I've tried to install hoary386 a few times onto a amd64-3200/radeon 9250/1600x1200lcd but every time the box restarts after the install the Gnome UI or whatever is corrupt! It's horrible, I can't do anything
[05:25] <toran> I already have all the kdemultimeda packages installed, excepting the kdemultimedia-dev package
[05:25] <inc595> hondje, even though you paid for the dvd you can't rip it and do what you want with it.. <sarcasim>
[05:26] <wdh> s/hondje/hornsby
[05:26] <zerokills> serious problem::  whenever i run sudo apt-get install on any package, i get an error message saying "The following packages have unmet dependencies:" and gives a list of packages
[05:26] <hondje> wdh: ? Wrong guy I think
[05:26] <hondje> hehe
[05:26] <wdh> hornsby, , search for 'utf-8' on the wiki, there'll probably be a solution there.. bottomline is that you need to use it :) no time explaining exactly how to change to it..
[05:26] <SigNagE> just installed ubuntu (im totally new to linux) and found the appropriate drivers for my card, but i have no idea how to install them
[05:26] <paulfox> hondje, any clues on how to achieve it? i've tried a for loop,  but cant get the syntax right
[05:26] <wdh> hondje, lazy on the auto-complete :)
[05:26] <Stargazer_> I'm new to Ubuntu 5.04 PPC.. I have a few questions about playing video.. I have no problem installing VLC and it will play video (avi,divx) but never with sound.  If I use the Totem player it always plays sounds but no video.  Now, I install mplayer and I go to quicktime.com for example and the plugin downloads a movie trailer to 100% and then does nothing more at all.. no sound/no video.. Is there ANY solution in ubuntu that works at 
[05:27] <hornsby> i did dpkg-reconfigure locales and stuff
[05:27] <wdh> hornsby, thats probably what you need..
[05:27] <wdh> and after that restart the computer i guess :)
[05:27] <hornsby> i just did it, but the problem remains
[05:27] <plod[wk] > has anybody managed to get gmailfs working on hoary?
[05:27] <hornsby> did that
[05:28] <hondje> paulfox: use rename
[05:28] <zerokills> serious problem::  whenever i run sudo apt-get install on any package, i get an error message saying "The following packages have unmet dependencies:" and gives a list of packages
[05:28] <tommi^> hondje, noup. What I'm wondering what the multimedia systems selector's default source should be and why it doesn't seem to test correctly
[05:28] <paulfox> hondje, i'll look into it, thanks
[05:28] <DagaZ> is it possible to make a bridge with just one card and add another one later?
[05:28] <radddx> also ubuntu 4 doesn't install properly, the GDM/X/whatever is just corrupt. The only thing that works is the live cd and even that can only do 1024x768
[05:29] <hondje> paulfox: man rename will show you how to do it, pretty straight forward
[05:29] <plod[wk] > zerokills what does sudo apt-get dist-upgrade do?
[05:29] <zanaga> right.. any good ideas how to install ubuntu without having an install CD or a floppy drive? ;)
[05:29] <Eddie> Hi hi people
[05:30] <radddx> so basically I can't use any ubuntu distros other than the live cd. Is
[05:30] <Eddie> network install?
[05:30] <zanaga> Eddie: booting from what?
[05:30] <paulfox> hondje, it's showing regex stuff. so you cant rename a load of files without learning regex/perl expressions?
[05:30] <hornsby> ok, I found the problem, thanks anyway
[05:30] <zerokills> plod[wk] : same error
[05:30] <Eddie> zanaga: the network, as far as I know theres an option to boot from another pc to which youre networked
[05:30] <zanaga> Eddie: network server.. stupid me, you solved my problems
[05:30] <zanaga> Eddie: thanks, you saved my day..
[05:30] <Eddie> zanaga: why the lack of CD drive?
[05:31] <hornsby> Leaving
[05:31] <Eddie> zanaga: lol, when last I checked the channel name wasnt #sarcasm
[05:31] <zanaga> Eddie: the computer has a CD drive, but i can't make a boot cd
[05:31] <hondje> paulfox: yeah, can't really be done
[05:31] <Eddie> zanaga: well it might be possible to still install
[05:31] <demantik> zanaga: ubuntu should boot itself ?
[05:31] <paulfox> hondje, urgh what a hassle
[05:31] <radddx> are high resolution lcds on dvi with radeon 92xx's not supported at all?
[05:31] <hondje> paulfox: yeah..what arey ou trying to do?
[05:32] <hornsby> #Leaving
[05:32] <Eddie> zanaga: you could perhaps mount the image from another partition during isntall
[05:32] <Eddie> *install
[05:32] <Eddie> not sure if ubuntu can
[05:32] <zanaga> Eddie: yeah, but the problem is that i want to install ubuntu today and i'm too lazy to head off to a friends place to burn a cd
[05:32] <Eddie> debian once could
[05:32] <hondje> Yeah, I did it that way once, it was ugly but worked
[05:32] <zerokills> should i just reinstall Ubuntu?
[05:32] <zanaga> but the network boot will be enough.. (assuming that the nic can do PXE)
[05:32] <paulfox> got about 100 csv files, but the .extension is their creation date and i want it to be .csv - so just need to add .csv to the end
[05:32] <demantik> Maybe im not understanding something?...Of Course Ubuntu boots itself from cd....?
[05:32] <SigNagE> can anyone help me...just installed ubuntu (im totally new to linux) and found the appropriate drivers for my w/network card, but i have no idea how to install them
[05:32] <Eddie> theres also the usb media option
[05:33] <Eddie> if you unpacked the ISO onto a usb media of sufficient size
[05:33] <Eddie> chances are it can boot from it
[05:33] <hondje> paulfox: ouch, all different too?
[05:33] <zanaga> Eddie: last i tried to boot from an usb stick i failed miserably, i'm assuming that my stick is incapable of booting =(
[05:33] <Eddie> my computer used to hang trying to boot from my camera lol
[05:33] <paulfox> hondje, aye
[05:33] <radddx> :(
[05:33] <Eddie> zanaga: =( damn, that was the cleanest option
[05:33] <zanaga> checking for PXE
[05:33] <hondje> paulfox: Let me ask a smarter guy
[05:34] <paulfox> hondje, been trying "for i in *.csv.*;do mv $i $i.csv;done" - but no good :)
[05:34] <Eddie> brb
[05:34] <SigNagE> can anyone help me...just installed ubuntu (im totally new to linux) and found the appropriate drivers for my w/network card, but i have no idea how to install them
[05:34] <penguinboy> I need help.......I have this message when I ran ./configure......checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!...when I tried to apt-get install xorg-dev it said: E: Couldn't find package xorg-dev
[05:35] <Dethread> penguinboy, why are you compiling X from source?
[05:35] <zanaga> Oh great! no PXE =(
[05:36] <penguinboy> I am not.....I am compiling tellico.....from the tellico directory I typed ./configure and got the message
[05:37] <demantik> H.264 Codec, for encoding with MPlayer - Where can i get it?
[05:37] <radddx> has anyone here had any problems with ATI cards and not being able to get anywhere with the install??
[05:37] <demantik> radddx - nope..what does it do.
[05:37] <demantik> exactly
[05:38] <radddx> (possibly in connection with high resolution LCds)
[05:38] <mz2> should the backports be up?
[05:38] <mz2> oh right, the website explains it
[05:39] <radddx> the install goes ok until the reboot, the packages are installed, but then when it goes from the console to Gnome (GDM?) I just see a cursor and a corrupted display
[05:39] <demantik> corrupted..in what way.
[05:39] <demantik> sounds odd.
[05:39] <radddx> it looks like a 70's wallpaper design, the cursor is fine but the whole screen is just screwed up lines and multicoloured
[05:40] <jind_> Whats the name of the Gnome sound daemon?
[05:40] <mz2> radddx, that's happened to me, when fglrx installation is fucked
[05:40] <jind_> Is it esd?
[05:40] <radddx> also, caps lock etc doesn't work and no key combos can kill the window manager
[05:40] <jind_> Or is that enlightenment?
[05:40] <prisca> how do I change the default view in nautilus? I want tree view & browser
[05:40] <demantik> didnt use fglrxconfig did you?
[05:40] <radddx> so the system has pretty much frozen apart from the cursor
[05:41] <radddx> hmm well this is just a standard install and it happens with warty AND hoary but not the live cd
[05:41] <demantik> all i did, was install the fglrx package, and edited the xorg.conf and changed the driver from "ati" to "fglrx" didnt want to mess around with the fglrxconfig, because ive had problems
[05:41] <reka> radddx: try and reconfigure the xorg package (hoary): dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg iirc
[05:42] <jind_> prisca, I don't remember the details, but I know that question is answered in at the www.ubuntuguide.org site
[05:42] <iwantitall> hi. why does most of my respirtory "hit" when I try to reload the package info?
[05:42] <jind_> But, does anybody knwo what the sound daemon in Gnome is called?
[05:42] <smoky_> hi there
[05:42] <radddx> ok cheers
[05:42] <reka> jind_: i think it's esd
[05:42] <SigNagE> can anyone help me...just installed ubuntu (im totally new to linux) and found the appropriate drivers for my w/network card, but i have no idea how to install them
[05:42] <justin> iwantitall: because that is what it is supposed to do?
[05:42] <iwantitall> jind_ so do I.
[05:42] <smoky_> i have problems with my brightness keys on my acer travelmate
[05:43] <jind_> Alright. I suspect so too
[05:43] <smoky_> anyone any idea how to solve succh problem?
[05:43] <iwantitall> justin: is it suposed to hit? isn't supposed to say "done" ?
[05:43] <jind_> smoky_, works here. I have a travelmate 290
[05:43] <smoky_> i searched the forums but didn't find an real answer
[05:43] <reka> demantik: are you having problems with the fglrx install?  you probably didn't load the module
[05:43] <reka> ubotu: tell demantik about fglrxinstall
[05:44] <reka> ah, crap
[05:44] <smoky_> jind_: i have the problem that they only work some times...
[05:44] <reka> demantik: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowTo
[05:44] <demantik> i had some problems, couldnt remember totally what they were..but its working now, on the basic setup im using haha
[05:44] <smoky_> i need 3 minutes or so to adjust my brightness
[05:44] <jind_> Maybe you can add a acpi=off and see if that helps?
[05:44] <smoky_> but i don't understand cause this should be a bios function
[05:44] <justin> iwantitall: I think it only says that if it changed
[05:44] <smoky_> it works under windows and other linux distros
[05:45] <smoky_> but not under linux
[05:45] <jind_> You add that in the kernel line in the grub config
[05:45] <smoky_> sorry ubuntu hoary
[05:45] <iwantitall> justin: ok. cause I tried to download azureus "sudo apt-get install azureus"
[05:45] <smoky_> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-26161.html - this guy has the same problem, but no solution
[05:45] <demantik> reka - no problems at all...i just didnt go through half the crap i was doing the other way..frame rates seem to be about the same as ive always had, with other distros..no errors about opengl.
[05:45] <iwantitall> justin: but I couldn't find it.
[05:45] <jind_> Try acpi=off first. If the kernel controlles the acpi, it will block the bios control over it
[05:46] <smoky_> jind_: but i need acpi for the rest!
[05:46] <SigNagE> can anyone help me...just installed ubuntu (im totally new to linux) and found the appropriate drivers for my w/network card, but i have no idea how to install them
[05:46] <justin> SigNagE: what drivers would those be?
[05:46] <smoky_> anyone other here, with an acer travelmate?
[05:46] <SigNagE> acx100-0.2.0pre8_plus_fixes_57
[05:47] <smoky_> jind_: any other hints?
[05:47] <inc595> evil nautilus samba share
[05:47] <demantik> what file extension SigNagE
[05:47] <hondje> I could never get nautilus to go to my samba shares
[05:47] <justin> SigNagE: you already have the acx driver
[05:47] <hondje> xffm, konq, apples' finder, everyone else can see it
[05:47] <demantik> hah
[05:47] <ramblingturtle23> ? i just installed firefox update from synaptic thinking it was going to fix the bug for extensions but it did not work did i miss a step or something or do i still have to do the work around to get extensions running
[05:48] <jind_> smoky_, sorry mate. I'm out of guesses
[05:48] <inc595> hondje, it worked at first now it doesn't
[05:48] <smoky_> anyone else here with an ACER TRAVELMATE?
[05:48] <iwantitall> someone who knows wich respirtory that holds azureus?
[05:48] <justin> my laptop has linux-image-2.6.10-5-686: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/acx/acx_pci.ko and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-686: /lib/hotplug/firmware/TIACX111.BIN-2.6.10-5-686
[05:48] <justin> iwantitall: repository
[05:49] <iwantitall> justin: thanks!
[05:49] <reka> ramblingturtle23: what bug?
[05:49] <ramblingturtle23> reka: i cant install extensions in firefox
[05:49] <iwantitall> anyone who knows wich repository that holds azureus?
[05:49] <ramblingturtle23>   reka:   Ubuntu Bug 10681
[05:50] <hondje> anyone here using matlab?
[05:51] <reka> ramblingturtle23: aha, that version problem.
[05:51] <reka> ramblingturtle23: type about:config in the url bar
[05:51] <ramblingturtle23> reka: cool one sec
[05:51] <reka> in the filter box, type "1.0.2"
[05:52] <pepsi_> how can i check the md5 of a burned cd?
[05:52] <reka> actually, filter for vendorsub
[05:52] <reka> ramblingturtle23: double click on it and change the value to 1.0.4
[05:53] <dr_willis> pepsi,  i think you can run the md5 command on the /dev/cdrom device.
[05:53] <iwantitall> no worry, I found the answer, hadn't updatet my repository with the changes made to ubuntuguide.
[05:54] <demantik> Anybody know what the current NTFS Write support is like? how safe is it....and how do i enable it...i just want to be able to delete, and move files.
[05:54] <ramblingturtle23> reka: vendorsub i am not seeing that is it under preference name
[05:54] <SigNagE> justin, pm
[05:54] <hondje> any java programmers around?
[05:55] <TokenBad> man...I can't figure out why cedega will not work
[05:55] <reka> ramblingturtle23: yes: general.useragent.vendorSub
[05:55] <hondje> java.awt.AWTException: cannot open XIM  ....anyone have a clue?
[05:56] <Trixsey> Anyone have time to help me recomend and install a good Linux DC++ Client?
[05:56] <jmjones> has anyone gotten hardware acceleration working on an ATI x300 mobile video card for a dell laptop?
[05:57] <demantik> laptops arent for gaming..haha..sorry, had to say that..
[05:57] <m0rphx> TokenBad: it works for me. what problem do you have?
[05:57] <penguinboy> lol
[05:57] <ramblingturtle23> reka: thank you! It works now
[05:57] <Howitzer> ehh
[05:57] <dr_willis> my Emachine6800 eas decent for games.. :P  - almost as good as a low end desktop. *sigh* heh heh
[05:57] <TokenBad> it just gives errors
[05:57] <Howitzer> i forgot the copy comman again -_-
[05:57] <demantik> cp
[05:58] <demantik> hah
[05:58] <reka> ramblingturtle23: no worries.  weird how you know the bug number ... the solution has been posted on the bugzilla site.  next time google :-] 
[05:58] <Howitzer> oh yes
[05:58] <Howitzer> ty
[05:58] <plod[wk] > gah
[05:58] <demantik> np.
[05:58] <SigNagE> can anyone help me...just installed ubuntu (im totally new to linux) and found the appropriate drivers for my w/network card, but i have no idea how to install them
[05:58] <TokenBad> m0rphx, gives errors like this
[05:58] <TokenBad> cp: cannot stat `/usr/lib/transgaming_cedega//.transgaming': No such file or directory
[05:58] <TokenBad> chmod: cannot access `/root/.transgaming': No such file or directory
[05:59] <m0rphx> you're running it as root?
[05:59] <m0rphx> did you install the .deb file or per .tgz?
[05:59] <TokenBad> tgz
[05:59] <TokenBad> I gunziped it
[05:59] <TokenBad> then tar
[05:59] <TokenBad> then tried to run ./cedega
[06:00] <demantik> GTA SA - Cedega...anybody know if it works, and how fast it runs compared to on win.
[06:00] <dr_willis> hmm..   may want to double check the cedega install docs
[06:00] <ramblingturtle23> reka: i am still a newbie and could not understand the work around that i read but i am still trying to learn
[06:00] <dr_willis> demantik,  according to the CEDEGA forums - its not working yet.
[06:00] <demantik> ah ok
[06:00] <m0rphx> TokenBad: try to install it per deb file, it works and is easy. otherwise, see if there's an install file
[06:00] <Trixsey> Anyone have time to help me? :(
[06:00] <demantik> how about vice city, or even 3...comparable speed to win?
[06:00] <reka> ramblingturtle23: s'ok.  by all means ask here if you want to.
[06:00] <dr_willis> demantik,  i do have Guildwars Soft Or working. P),, Vice city does work.
[06:01] <Trixsey> reka, I need help :)
[06:01] <demantik> ok cool.
[06:01] <TokenBad> how would I install from a deb file?
[06:01] <Howitzer> aaaaaaaaargh
[06:01] <Trixsey> reka, Can you recomend a good DC++ client with a GUI?
[06:01] <dr_willis> demantik,  same with GTA - i hear they both work very well..  However I think there maybe some issues  if you are on an AMD64 file
[06:01] <demantik> ah alright
[06:01] <dr_willis> TokenBad,  the Cedega install docs tell you the exact process to get their packages installed.
[06:02] <demantik> dr_willis, do you know of any good native games, out now, or near future, apart from enemy territory, doom, and americas army?
[06:02] <chiquito> buenas tardes
[06:02] <Mayhem> does the Ubuntu DVD install have substantially more packages than the CD?
[06:02] <dr_willis> TokenBad,  thers about 4 packages you want to download/install.. OR just get their Point2Play program.
[06:02] <chiquito> aqui se habla espaol??
[06:02] <Mayhem> demantik, ut2004
[06:02] <jetscreamer> !es
[06:02] <ubotu> jetscreamer: Are you smoking crack?
[06:02] <hondje> chiquito: #ubuntu-es
[06:02] <dr_willis> demantik,  not really. :P
[06:02] <demantik> ah yes..apart from that also haha
[06:02] <penguinboy> un picito
[06:02] <chiquito> ok
[06:02] <Howitzer> is it cp -path of file that needs to be copied- -path whereto it needs to be copied-?
[06:02] <demantik> ut2004 is great, but its been played too much ;)
[06:02] <jetscreamer> ubotu: get a db
[06:02] <ubotu> jetscreamer: No idea
[06:02] <Mayhem> demantik, all the quakes, nexuiz, rtcw
[06:02] <demantik> bring on ut2006...and a new pc :(
[06:02] <reka> Trixsey: nope, afraid not.  seeing as i don't now what dc++ is. :-/
[06:02] <SigNagE> can anyone help me...just installed ubuntu (im totally new to linux) and found the appropriate drivers for my w/network card, but i have no idea how to install them
[06:03] <jetscreamer> ubotu: get a db is <reply> install a database
[06:03] <dr_willis> demantik,  dont forget Quake 1 2 and 3
[06:03] <ubotu> okay, jetscreamer
[06:03] <demantik> nexuiz? rtcw?
[06:03] <dr_willis> demantik,  and theres Dozens of mods out for them.
[06:03] <demantik> hmm ill pass on the  quake series.
[06:03] <Howitzer> reka, dc++ is a filesharing via IRC
[06:03] <dr_willis> demantik,  and RTCW:ET
[06:03] <reka> Trixsey: lazy answer: search sourceforge.net and then check if the program is in the ubuntu repos.
[06:03] <Trixsey> Howitzer, no its not
[06:03] <Howitzer> ehh
[06:03] <Mayhem> demantik, www.nexuiz.com = free quake-like game, rtwc = return to castle wolfenstein
[06:03] <Howitzer> i thought it was? Oo
[06:03] <demantik> Oh..yeah i have enemy territory..thats good.
[06:03] <mz2> SigNagE, what card is it?
[06:03] <Trixsey> Its a p2p client with a chat similiar to IRC
[06:04] <Trixsey> Thats what it says in a description on some page
[06:04] <Howitzer> Oo
[06:04] <Mayhem> enemy territory was to be an expansion for rtcw
[06:04] <britt_radiofree> anyone here using flickr?
[06:04] <Trixsey> Though its not IRC, thats something else :P
[06:04] <dr_willis> demantik,  ET is hard to beat. Price and Game play wise. :P
[06:04] <Mayhem> demantik, rtcw is a commercial game with a good single player
[06:04] <demantik> yeah i know what it is ;) just didnt know what u ment by rtcw haha
[06:05] <Mayhem> RedOrchestra mod for ut2004 i good
[06:05] <demantik> anybody played that battle for newerth game? looks...a bit um..different.
[06:05] <Mayhem> *is
[06:05] <demantik> yeah that redorchestra mod looks sweet
[06:05] <Howitzer> is it cp -path of file that needs to be copied- -path whereto it needs to be copied-?
[06:05] <demantik> might check that out.
[06:05] <Mayhem> demantik, True Combat: Elite is a good mod for enemy-territory :)
[06:05] <Mayhem> free mod on a free game :)
[06:05] <penguinboy> okay...I am still trying to ./configure tellico and am working through most of the dependency issues...but this one stums me....any ideas on what to do now.......checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1 (20021021)) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!
[06:05] <demantik> ok cool...*opens gedit, blames memory for sucking*
[06:05] <Howitzer> :(
[06:05] <Howitzer> is it cp -path of file that needs to be copied- -path whereto it needs to be copied-?
[06:06] <Mayhem> sobersabre, has anyone installed ubuntu from DVD?
[06:06] <SigNagE> mz2, pm.
[06:06] <Mayhem> sry sobersabre, tab completion got me
[06:06] <mcleodz> hi all
[06:06] <penguinboy> I installed libqt3-dev...libqt3-headers....and libqt3-compat-headers
[06:06] <reka> Howitzer: yes.  cp <source> <dest>
[06:06] <Howitzer> okay
[06:06] <Howitzer> ty
[06:06] <reka> Howitzer: man cp, or cp --help
[06:06] <Howitzer> oh god
[06:06] <mcleodz> got a problem to install hoary on my computer
[06:06] <Howitzer> orgot about that one :/
[06:07] <mcleodz> when i press enter to start the install
[06:07] <demantik> Mayhem, damn that looks pretty good (tc:e)
[06:07] <mcleodz> it block on this message
[06:07] <mcleodz> booting kernel
[06:08] <mcleodz> and thats it
[06:08] <mcleodz> :(
[06:08] <sweeze> have shipit.ubuntu.com hoary cds shipped yet?
[06:08] <mcleodz> me?
[06:08] <britt_radiofree> nobody here using flickr?
[06:08] <reka> penguinboy: isn't it in the repos?
[06:08] <Gus> hello
[06:08] <SigNagE> mz2
[06:08] <mcleodz> i try with hoary and warty
[06:08] <reka> penguinboy: why are you compiling from source?
[06:08] <demantik> sweeze - i ordered some a month ago, havent got them...ah well..i dont need them hah.
[06:08] <mcleodz> someone can help me?
[06:09] <Gus> anyone to help me configure my ubuntu as a gateway for a LAN please ? =)
[06:09] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> mcleodz: is your media sound? (did you d/l and burn it or get it in the mail?)
[06:09] <Mayhem> Gus, use firestarter, it leads you through
[06:09] <mcleodz> yep i dl it and burn it
[06:09] <Gus> i have found some tutorials but seeing how the commands they tell me to type are not recognised in Ubuntu, i have doubts =)
[06:09] <Gus> Mayhem, does it ?
[06:09] <Gus> that's great then =)
[06:09] <SigNagE> can anyone help me...just installed ubuntu (im totally new to linux) and found the appropriate drivers for my w/network card, but i have no idea how to install them
[06:09] <ivoks> khm... pelin spamer
[06:09] <Mayhem> Gus, if my memory isn't totally wrong :)
[06:10] <Gus> Mayhem, if it is, i will come back from the dead to haunt you ;)
[06:10] <Mayhem> Gus, :P
[06:10] <ivoks> bob2: we have spamer - pelin
[06:10] <penguinboy> reka: i downloaded the rpm but it would not work...so I thought I would use the tarball
[06:10] <mcleodz> so the message is: OK, booting kernel
[06:10] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> gus hang on a minute
[06:10] <Mayhem> SigNagE, point me where you got the drivers
[06:10] <ivoks> :)
[06:10] <mcleodz> and thats it
[06:11] <Dethread> penguinboy, you can convert rpms to debs using alien
[06:11] <reka> penguinboy: it's in the ubuntu repositories.  have you enabled multiverse and universe?
[06:11] <ivoks> bob2: he/she left
[06:11] <penguinboy> how do I enable reka???
[06:11] <reka> penguinboy: you're just making things harder for yourself
[06:11] <reka> !repositories
[06:11] <ubotu> reka: I haven't a clue
[06:11] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> mcleodz: is your media sound? (did you d/l and burn it or get it in the mail?)
[06:11] <mcleodz> my media sound?
[06:11] <reka> penguinboy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:11] <reka> do that first
[06:11] <Gus> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ, yes ?
[06:11] <mcleodz> its when i want to install ubuntu
[06:12] <mcleodz> at the begining
[06:12] <reka> then sudo apt-get install tellico
[06:12] <Mayhem> SigNagE, also, what type of card?
[06:12] <Dethread> mcleodz, is your CD corrupt
[06:12] <SigNagE> Mayhem: i got thyis "acx100-0.2.0pre8_plus_fixes_57" from there http://lisas.de/~andi/acx100/
[06:12] <Dethread> mcleodz, that's what he means
[06:12] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> gus here you go http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=130
[06:12] <hondje> any java programmers?
[06:12] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> Gus: you can read about those, and make a decision
[06:12] <Gus> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ, thanks a lot, i'll check it out =)
[06:12] <Dethread> hondje, yeah
[06:12] <SigNagE> d-link-520+  dwl
[06:12] <SigNagE> acx100
[06:13] <hondje> Dethread: Can you look at the errors an app is throwing when it starts, perhaps suggest a fix?
[06:13] <Mayhem> SigNagE, evil card, I used to have one :)
[06:13] <reka> penguinboy: you can use synaptic to install program if you want. (sys->admin->synaptic)  only try and install with RPM, deb or from source if you can't find it in the repositories!
[06:13] <Dethread> hondje, I can try
[06:13] <SigNagE> Mayhem: i agree.
[06:13] <Gus> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ, i'll see how firestarter behaves and if i'm not satisfied i'll give these a go ;)
 any java programmers? <-- hondje, please don't swear in here ;)
[06:14] <demantik> Playstation3, to run Linux!...read @ gamespot.
[06:14] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> hondje: install from RPM? yeech!
[06:15] <hondje> Dethread: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,13625353?r=698
[06:15] <hondje> nalioth: eh? What did I say about rpm?
[06:15] <nalioth> reka: install from RPM? yech!
[06:15] <nalioth> hondje: sorry, was still asleep
[06:15] <hondje> nalioth: obviously nightmares ;-)
[06:15] <nalioth> hondje: but still, try no to install from rpm
[06:16] <nalioth> hondje: well wakin up to you all, is kinda frightening
[06:16] <hondje> yeah, I can see that
[06:16] <reka> nalioth: i agree.
[06:16] <penguinboy> i have kubuntu....not ubuntu...and so no synaptic....Kynaptis looks different
[06:17] <bob2> try #kubuntu
[06:17] <Gus> i've tried kubuntu and found it bleh ^^
[06:17] <nalioth> penguinboy: you can apt-get install synaptic (if it's not there already)
[06:17] <penguinboy> great!
[06:17] <Gus> i went back to gnome
[06:17] <nalioth> penguinboy: kynaptic kinda blows, imho
[06:17] <Dethread> hondje, which jdk?
[06:17] <yoor> hey dudes
[06:17] <jind_> Whats the name of the pam development package?
[06:17] <reka> penguinboy: the main point is not to install from deb or source unless you know what you're doing and there is no other option.
[06:18] <yoor> I've got a c++ question, I need to write in a file some data, do you know the names of the librairies i have to include ?
[06:18] <yoor> I included fstream..stdlib
[06:18] <penguinboy> thanks reka...you are great
[06:18] <hondje> Dethread: How do I find that out?
[06:18] <xabbu|> Is there any _good_ Direct Connect clients for ubuntu?
[06:18] <nalioth> mcleodz: did you d/l your ubuntu and burn it, or get it in the mail?
[06:18] <jind_> xabbu|, valknut is the best
[06:18] <Dethread> hondje, in a console, type: java -version
[06:18] <nalioth> xabbu|: to my knowledge there is ONE. dcgui
[06:18] <xabbu|> jind_, thanks
[06:19] <hondje> Dethread: hehe, I was doing --version.  java version "1.5.0_03"
[06:19] <jind_> dcgui is depreciated. Valknut is dcgui in a updated version
[06:19] <nalioth> jind_: thank you
[06:19] <hondje> Dethread: build 1.5.0_03-b07
[06:19] <jind_> :-)
[06:19] <Scotched> hello
[06:20] <nalioth> howdy, Scotched
[06:20] <Dethread> hondje, hmm...seems like the latest version. updating to the latest one would have been my only guess on how to fix it. but if the app runs fine otherwise....
[06:20] <xabbu|> jind_, Is it as a deb pakage?
[06:20] <Scotched> i was wondering if anyone can help me
[06:21] <nalioth> Scotched: without you asking a question, no
[06:21] <Ng> Scotched: ask away and find out :)
[06:21] <hondje> Dethread: yeah, and usually I run it in a terminal and call scripts, so no java needed.  Should I file a bug w/ sun?
[06:21] <demantik> # Any Australians Here? #
[06:21] <Dethread> hondje, try to find out if something similar has been posted already
[06:21] <Mayhem> demantik, yes
[06:21] <Scotched> ah sorry, wasnt sure if you wanted to do it here or elsewhere, didnt want to crowd things
[06:21] <demantik> ahh cool
[06:21] <demantik> where abouts
[06:21] <Mayhem> Victoria
[06:21] <nalioth> Scotched: here is where everyone learns
[06:21] <jind_> xabbu|, I don't know. I do not use direct connect
[06:22] <demantik> alright
[06:22] <hondje> Dethread: I found a few with that first line, about XIM, but googling a chunk of them doesn't give me anything. Most of the XIM ones deal with chinese big5 fonts
[06:22] <demantik> Do you know any good Online Stores for pc hardware?
[06:22] <Scotched> but anyway I just installed Kubuntu 5.04 but I've had this problem with debian as well, Im using a DE-220P dlink ethernet card, which is supposedly supported but neither OS can ever find it
[06:22] <demantik> im in nsw btw..central coast.
[06:22] <nalioth> mcleodz: please let us know something
[06:23] <mcleodz> i think the model of my laptop is not support by ubuntu
[06:23] <mcleodz> :(
[06:23] <dr_willis> mcleodz,  proberly more of a 'too many new features not in the kernel yet' kind of issue.
[06:23] <Mayhem> demantik, ht.com.au are good, but they are a bit 'business' oriented
[06:24] <mcleodz> acer extensa aren't in the list o compatibility
[06:24] <mcleodz> :)
[06:24] <reka> demantik: if you want to buy retail: http://www.staticice.com.au/
[06:24] <Cine> hey all, just a quick question... how do I use the GUI to delete files as root?
[06:24] <nalioth> mcleodz: just because it isnt on the list, doesnt mean it should work
[06:24] <nalioth> Cine: start a file manager using "gksudo"
[06:24] <demantik> ah ok cool
[06:24] <Cine> ah, thanks
[06:25] <demantik> is it just the places ive been looking, or do america have much cheaper prices? (www.newegg.com for example is very cheap)
[06:25] <nalioth> Cine: and remember you are holding a 'live wire' while using the fm
[06:25] <hondje> Anyone read chinese? Found a page with the same problem, but can't read the important stuff
[06:25] <Cine> hmm... missing commands
[06:25] <nalioth> Cine: "gksudo nautilus" "gksudo konqueror"
[06:25] <Cine> oh... duh... :)
[06:25] <Razor-X> wohooo!!!!! GTK-QT fixed itself!!!!!
[06:25] <Razor-X> XD
[06:26] <Razor-X> dunno why, it just did
[06:26] <dockane> is there any chance to recover a partition that is listed by qtparted as "type: free / hidden" ?
[06:26] <lotusleaf> I'm tempted to start a fan based religious movement called The Church of Ubuntu. The Ubuntu CDs would be considered holy and mandatory for worship.
[06:26] <Ng> Scotched: looks like quite an old card?
[06:26] <nalioth> lotusleaf: you go!
[06:26] <nalioth> heh
[06:27] <nalioth> dockane: is there stuff on it?
[06:27] <Razor-X> lotusleaf; would that be compatible with the Tao beliefs? ;)
[06:27] <Scotched> its fairly old, bought it from a friend, but it does say its supported
[06:27] <Dethread> lotusleaf, I can just imagine its followers rushing the Microsoft campus, yelling "Infidels!!!"
[06:27] <dockane> nalioth, yes its a ext 2
[06:27] <Razor-X> Dethread: nice nice thought ;)
[06:27] <lotusleaf> Dethread, it would be a peaceful religion
[06:28] <Ng> Scotched: googling for "linux de 220p" I can mostly see posts from 99/2000 and some suggestion that you might need to use windows to get the irq/io details it wants. I'm not sure though, sorry :/
[06:28] <lotusleaf> Razor-X, it wouldn't seek to mesh with other religions
[06:28] <Scotched> also when i run detect network hardware (in expert mode installer right now)  it says that some modules needed for my hardware are not available right now
[06:28] <Razor-X> lotusleaf: speak for yourself!
[06:28] <Razor-X> lotusleaf: eh?
[06:28] <nalioth> dockane: have you tried to mount it?
[06:28] <Razor-X> peaceful shmeashful
[06:28] <lotusleaf> Razor-X, why, are you going to fork my idea and create the cult of ubuntu? :P
[06:28] <Razor-X> burn those mother *&^%ers alive!!!!! XD
[06:28] <Razor-X> lotusleaf: quite possibly
[06:28] <reka> demantik: yeah, i've noticed a difference between AU and US prices as well.  you have to remember they probably don't update the sites often enough.  i reckon a better way of getting a price comparison is to get one of those computer trader newspapers or the IT section of your paper, like the age's green guide.
[06:29] <Razor-X> Azureus is being slow... noooo!!! -_-
[06:29] <TFK> Howdy. I just installed Ubuntu hoary and trying to play some files, but it complains that it has no plugins on them - mp3 files, avi files. What exactly do I need?
[06:30] <Scotched> yes i've read the google posts, they suggest using NE2000 which i found something similar in debian when it suggested to choose a driver, but while it let me get past that step, the network was undetectable
[06:30] <Razor-X> take on the same speed you do when downloading anime in huge huge torrents! Aller, mon azureus!
[06:30] <lotusleaf> I propose #ubuntu-worship for the unofficial church of ubuntu
[06:30] <demantik> reka - hmm...alright then...that static ice, is returning some promising results though..better than ive seen anyway
[06:30] <nalioth> TFK: ubuntulinix.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:30] <Razor-X> TFK: I suggets you download VLC
[06:30] <bob2> TFK: this is in the faq...
[06:30] <Razor-X> VLC can play any format without plugins, or configuring, or anything like that
[06:30] <dr_willis>  #ubuntu-sinners for people that  are useing the testing versions ?
[06:30] <dr_willis> :)
[06:30] <Razor-X> except, the VLC in the repos is not too good with WMVs
[06:30] <dockane> nalioth, yes.
[06:30] <lotusleaf> lol
[06:31] <nalioth> TFK: and mind my spelling (i hand type everything thats sent)
[06:31] <nalioth> dockane: and the result was?
[06:31] <nalioth> brb
[06:31] <TFK> nalioth, sankyu
[06:31] <demantik> Razor-X - when i went to install VLC, it complained i didnt have a whole load of libs
[06:31] <user_> hello
[06:31] <Razor-X> nalioth: does the scope of the wiki allow command line clients?
[06:31] <demantik> so i downloaded MPlayer and everything works sweet hah...h264 and all
[06:31] <Razor-X> demantik: did you use apt-get?
[06:32] <demantik> Razor-X - Nope lol...:( maybe i shall..
[06:32] <Razor-X> you mean, H.264 Huffy, or H.264 with other formats...?
[06:32] <Razor-X> demantik: ........................
[06:32] <TFK> But, it seems that the official repositories  don't have mplayer :-/
[06:32] <hondje> Dethread: heh, turns out they've had this problem for a while, but only on solaris.  Go figure :)
[06:32] <reka> demantik: i bought my VG card through that.  comparing it to a newspaper, it was quite current ... but you still see price differences for the exact same product ... just get the lowest one. :-)
[06:32] <Razor-X> just about everything in Debian is downloaded using apt-get
[06:32] <demantik> Razor-X well...i can play Quicktime .mov h264 files
[06:32] <Razor-X> because of libraries
[06:32] <demantik> Razor-X - if that means anything...
[06:32] <Razor-X> oh, psshhh ;)
[06:33] <dockane> nalioth, the complete story : the harddisk is a 160 gb hdc and also contains a ntfs partition (approx. 136 gb). this ntfs was unluckily formated under win2k which destroyed the partition table. fdisk -l reported something like "out of boundary" for each partition on hdc
[06:33] <Razor-X> real encoder H.264 is HuffV!!
[06:33] <Razor-X> mmm, I love that lossless format, awesome for live footage
[06:33] <demantik> Reka - ok cool..thanks for the info...
[06:33] <demantik> lossless?
[06:33] <Razor-X> ahh, there we go, 44 k/s, ok for a small torrent anyways
[06:33] <Razor-X> demantik: yeah, HuffV is totally lossless
[06:34] <demantik> Razor-X - in the way FLAC is with audio? or just not noticable
[06:34] <Razor-X> I love lossless formats, even with my crappy HDD capacity
[06:34] <Razor-X> demantik: in the way FLAC is with audio ;)
[06:34] <dockane> nalioth, i ran gpart and the scan gave a reasonable result. thats why i decided to write that parition table but the ext2 parition (which is the only importan to recover) which is no accesible only has got 1 directory (lost+found)-.
[06:34] <Razor-X> although, with video, it's a tad bit harder
[06:34] <demantik> Razor-X - nice....ill be checking that..thanks
[06:34] <Razor-X> but, I don't use VLC anymore for music, cplay is good
[06:35] <Razor-X> *awesome
[06:35] <lotusleaf> Ubuntu has Kino for download but not Avidemux and Kmenc?
[06:35] <hondje> lotusleaf: do they have more features?
[06:35] <Razor-X> lotusleaf: alas, I do most of my encoding in.... Windows
[06:35] <bob2> lotusleaf: they sound very patent-euncumbered
[06:35] <lotusleaf> bob2, are they?
[06:35] <bob2> lotusleaf: assuming "kmenc" is some sort of silly gui wrapper for mencoder
[06:36] <lotusleaf> bob2, kmenc is on sourceforge, dunno about avidemux
[06:36] <lotusleaf> I've been looking for something like Virtualdub but for Linux
[06:36] <hondje> http://avidemux.sourceforge.net/
[06:36] <Razor-X> I think AVISynth should be ported to Linux
[06:36] <dockane> nalioth, i think the geometry  was not recognized correctly. sill there is hope: qtparted shows a partition of the size which fits to the ext2 partition but type is 'free' / hidden. any ideas ?
[06:36] <Razor-X> it's incredible for heavy-duty encoding, awesome awesome
[06:37] <Ng> the marillat debian repository has avidemux packages, so you could try one of those, or rebuild your own from their source if that doesn't work
[06:37] <lotusleaf> hondje, ah yes so avidemux is on sf
[06:37] <Ng> I appear to have their amd64 one installed ;)
[06:38] <hondje> Ng: Does it have more features than kino, or some benefit?
[06:38] <Klaus> hi im trying to compile a new kernel on my server(2.6.11) using make-kpkg kernel-image budt when i boote up i get this error
[06:38] <Klaus> kernel panic  - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unkonwn-block(0,0)
[06:38] <bob2> best to not compile your own kernel
[06:38] <bob2> especially on a server
[06:38] <Ng> hondje: I think kino is a nicer editor, but it's quite limited to working with DV
[06:39] <hondje> Ng: ah, so in my case I'd be better off with Kino, since that's all I do with it :)
[06:39] <Klaus> bob2 i have some funny moduls and have relly hard get them working whit the ubuntu kernel-source
[06:39] <demantik> Razor-X - just out of curiosity, what are your system specs?
[06:39] <bob2> Klaus: well, I doubt it, but ok
[06:39] <bob2> Klaus: 2.6.11 is screwed in hoary
[06:40] <magog> i think my synaptic is bugged...wasent xfce in there before??
[06:40] <Razor-X> demantik: pretty bad
[06:40] <Razor-X> 256 MB RAM, 40 GB HDD, P4
[06:40] <bob2> Klaus: use linux-source-2.6.10 if you really think you need to compile a kernel
[06:40] <magog> ew
[06:40] <Razor-X> yeah, I know
[06:40] <Razor-X> encoding takes hours for me
[06:40] <Aron_Figaro> I've got a weird problem here. OpenOffice won't detect my printer now that I've upgraded to Hoary and reinstalled it.
[06:40] <bob2> man, I don't get why pepole ship p4's with 256MB of ram
[06:41] <magog> bob2, me neither
[06:41] <Aron_Figaro> the exact same method worked fine under Warty - what's wrong?
[06:41] <Razor-X> bob2: this is a pretty old machine
[06:41] <demantik> Razor-X - P4 what?....mines probably worse haha...
[06:41] <keknehv> How do you enable the root X session?
[06:41] <PhantomFreak> Has anyone manage to get CPUfreq to work before?
[06:41] <bob2> keknehv: why would you want to do that?
[06:41] <bob2> PhantomFreak: it works out of the box
[06:41] <Razor-X> P4 1.6 ghz, my bad ;)
[06:41] <keknehv> bob2: For installations that require GTK.
[06:42] <bob2> keknehv: then use sudo
[06:42] <Razor-X> magog: same here
[06:42] <nalioth> Razor-X: CLI clients for what?
[06:42] <Aron_Figaro> So does anyone have an idea why my printer isn't being detected?
[06:42] <keknehv> bob2: Regardless, I want root
[06:42] <nalioth> Razor-X: i think the wiki should cover all options
[06:42] <Razor-X> I was mulling over a Ebuntu distro ;)
[06:42] <Aron_Figaro> It's installed, but OpenOffice can't see it.
[06:42] <demantik> Razor-X - AthlonXP 1700, 384mb @ 266...80GB HDD..Radeon 9600SE........we need upgrades..hah
[06:42] <Razor-X> nalioth: hmmm, then I think we should add more CLI based stuff
[06:42] <nalioth> dockane: all you could see when you mounted it was lost+found?
[06:42] <hondje> It creeps me out when people want to set up a root account, but don't know how....
[06:42] <reka> Aron_Figaro: so you can print with other apps?
[06:42] <Razor-X> that way, beginners will get a taste for everything, and not just beginners use the wiki either
[06:42] <Razor-X> errr, not the wiki, rather, the guide
[06:42] <nalioth> Razor-X: i agree  world.domination.2005.deb
[06:42] <keknehv> hondje: Thanks a lot
[06:43] <hondje> If they can't do that, why do they need root in the first place
[06:43] <Razor-X> nalioth: ;)
[06:43] <keknehv> I need the GTK root...
[06:43] <PhantomFreak> bob2: Then why doesn't it work on my Thinkpad...
[06:43] <bob2> keknehv: so
[06:43] <bob2> keknehv: use sudo
[06:43] <bob2> PhantomFreak: works perfectly on mine
[06:43] <Aron_Figaro> reka: yep
[06:43] <hondje> gksudo
[06:43] <Razor-X> hmmm, I wonder how much a Linux copy of the original UT costs
[06:43] <bob2> PhantomFreak: what sort of thinkpad?
[06:43] <keknehv> bob2: Never mind. I'lll look elsewhere.
[06:43] <PhantomFreak> T22
[06:43] <magog> PhantomFreak, think pads are nasty
[06:43] <lotusleaf> Razor-X, just play Enemy Territory, it's free ;)
[06:43] <bob2> wow, how useless
[06:43] <hondje> gksu -S is good too
[06:43] <Mayhem> Razor-X, normal windows versions work too
[06:44] <Razor-X> lotusleaf: is  itthe UT trigger-happy style?
[06:44] <Razor-X> Mayhem: Winex, huh?
[06:44] <Aron_Figaro> I can print from Gedit and test pages no problem.
[06:44] <Mayhem> Razor-X, http://www.tuxgames.com/
[06:44] <lotusleaf> Razor-X, ET is a FPS, it's fun
[06:44] <nalioth> CLI is your friend, it'll be with you when your X has gone home to momma
[06:44] <bob2> sure, but 90% of new users don't care
[06:44] <PhantomFreak> I've got almost everything working... Only things I haven't is CPU speed scalling, the suspend to ram button and getting the Thinkpad button to do anything!
[06:44] <magog> postal 2 also released a native version, www.gopostal.com
[06:45] <bob2> remember, ubuntu's average user clue is going to go down, not up
[06:45] <smoky_> hello
[06:45] <reka> Aron_Figaro: what did you mean by "reinstalled"? the printer, openoffice?
[06:45] <Mayhem> bob2, <troll>all the more reason to stick with debian</troll> ;)
[06:45] <hondje> hehe
[06:45] <magog> its awesome its a full boxed linux version with a windows installer included....not the other way around
[06:45] <Aron_Figaro> reka: the printer - I did a clean format and upgrade to Hoary then reinstalled the printer.
[06:45] <smoky_> does anyone know how to investigate problems with the brightness-keys of my laptop?
[06:45] <sol77> Quick question. Are our aliases registered at freenode when we sign up with the ubuntu forum?
[06:46] <demantik> Razor-X - how do i go about executing Telstra.shit-internet.aus.expensive.deb :(
[06:46] <smoky_> acer travelmate 800
[06:46] <hondje> sol77: no
[06:46] <Aron_Figaro> reka: and for SOME reason...it doesn't work in OO.
[06:46] <nalioth> sol77: not to my knowledge
[06:46] <bob2> PhantomFreak: weird, works for every other thinkpad user I've met
[06:46] <bob2> PhantomFreak: file a bug , I guess
[06:46] <smoky_> there where no problems with the live-cd, but now the do not react correctly
[06:46] <sol77> hondje & nalioth - then I wonder why my alias is registered with the password I use at the forum..
[06:46] <demantik> j/k
[06:46] <demantik> damn aussie internet
[06:46] <hondje> sol77: ...that's kinda odd
[06:47] <nalioth> sol77: that is weird. is it YOUR alias + password?
[06:47] <sol77> hondje - indeed.
[06:47] <Mayhem> Razor-X, http://www.liflg.org/?catid=6&gameid=51 <-- native unreal tournament installer
[06:47] <sol77> nalioth - jupp.
[06:47] <PhantomFreak> when I run powernowd, it just comes up with a load of 'file not found's...
[06:47] <demantik> IM GOIN...CYAZ!
[06:47] <bob2> PhantomFreak: you're using the normal kernel, right?
[06:48] <nalioth> sol77: very weird, must be the day to play lottery
[06:48] <magog> has anyone got multi-disc installs to work? i cant seem to install my ut2k4 cd's
[06:48] <PhantomFreak> Course!
[06:48] <smoky_> has anyone an idea how to solve problems with the brightness-keys of my laptop? please...
[06:48] <sol77> nalioth - I'll go buy some right away. :)
[06:49] <PhantomFreak> Well, Ubuntu has updated the kernel already through the auto-update but I thought that wouldn't make a difference!
[06:49] <nalioth> smoky_: if anyone knows the answer, they will speak up
[06:49] <reka> Aron_Figaro: hmmm, not sure.  is this oo2?
[06:49] <Aron_Figaro> reka: oo1
[06:50] <Aron_Figaro> reka: 1.13 to be exact.
[06:50] <smoky_> hondje: the keys that control the brightness of my lcd-screen
[06:50] <TokenBad> how move a dir and all sub dirs and files from one location to another in ubuntu
[06:50] <bob2> PhantomFreak: file a bug, I guess, it should work out of the box
[06:50] <hondje> smoky_: oh, that'd be funky to set up
[06:50] <smoky_> hondje: no that are hardeware-keys that should work
[06:50] <hondje> oh
[06:50] <smoky_> and they do in windows, the live-cd aand any other distro
[06:51] <hondje> I wouldn't have a clue, really
[06:51] <smoky_> but not in hoary
[06:51] <goldfish> TokenBad: open a terminal, mv blah/ destination/
[06:51] <nalioth> TokenBad: open a terminal and type "man cp" and "man mv" but be careful with "mv". improperly used, it is called "remove" OR you could use nautilus or konqueror
[06:51] <magog> if its an LCD there should be brightness buttons on the moniter
[06:51] <reka> Aron_Figaro: well, if you've googled already, id try to reinstall oo via synaptic ... other than that, i don't know.
[06:51] <smoky_> magog: laptop (acer travelmate)
[06:51] <magog> oo
[06:51] <magog> hmmmm
[06:52] <Ng> http://www.linux-laptop.net/ often has information about making unusual laptop hardware (like lcd buttons) work
[06:52] <smoky_> ng: thx i know. but that is a very special problem
[06:52] <Ng> smoky_: fair enough. which model of travelmate is it?
[06:52] <decaf> fonts in gtk1.x apps are too big and ugly. can I get some better look ?
[06:52] <smoky_> ng: 800
[06:53] <PhantomFreak> cpufreq-selector seems to fuction, but has no manual entry!
[06:53] <smoky_> ng: sorry have to leave for 10min
[06:53] <smoky_> cu
[06:53] <Ng> k
[06:53] <PhantomFreak> Is there a way of detecting what speed the cpu is currently running at?
[06:53] <reka> decaf: use gtk2 apps?
[06:53] <stjepan> hi
[06:53] <hondje> PhantomFreak: does cat /proc/cpuinfo work?
[06:53] <hondje> or does that just show max or something
[06:54] <stjepan> where should I install LILO?
[06:54] <decaf> reka: do you know a gtk2 replacement for amule and dvdrip ?
[06:54] <Mayhem> on the floor, under your pillow
[06:54] <PhantomFreak> does now!
[06:54] <Razor-X> back!
[06:55] <Razor-X> Azureus stole about 100% of my CPU for 10 minutes, then crashed ;)
[06:55] <stjepan> ?
[06:55] <Razor-X> would killed it anyways, though
[06:55] <PhantomFreak> only line 5 works "Pentium III (Coppermine)
[06:55] <PhantomFreak> "
[06:55] <stjepan> should I install LILO to MBR or not?
[06:55] <hondje> PhantomFreak: no cpu MHz    line?
[06:55] <Razor-X> stjepan : you double-booting?
[06:55] <sol77> Could anyone tell me if it's safe to write to a mounted ntfs-partition now-a-days, or is that still unsafe?
[06:55] <Mayhem> stjepan, what's wrong with GRUB?
[06:55] <PhantomFreak> command not found!
[06:55] <Scotched> stjepan if youre not double booting use LILO
[06:55] <Razor-X> yeah, what's wrong with GRUB
[06:55] <Razor-X> Scotched: why?
[06:56] <magog> i dual boot and use grub fine
[06:56] <TFK> Can anyone suggest a camcorder proggie, and maybe you know anything that supports Nikon 4600? (Yes, I googled.)
[06:56] <stjepan> I want to use winXP and Ubuntu
[06:56] <Razor-X> stjepan: then, use GRUB
[06:56] <stjepan> Ubuntu will install GRUB?
[06:56] <reka> decaf: no, i don't use them, but i'm sure someone else would be able to come up with a few.  i tried to fix xmms' fonts (it uses gtk1)  i gave up and now use beep (gtk2).
[06:56] <kengur> i can't connect via ADSL no matter what
[06:56] <Scotched> I've never had a problem with LILO but when i tried grub it would boot this psuedo linux and there was no getting to a real shell, installed LILO, no problems
[06:56] <Razor-X> stejepan: yeah
[06:56] <stjepan> but why GRUB and not LILO?
[06:57] <Razor-X> stjepan: it's better with double-booting Windows
[06:57] <PhantomFreak> Oh! It's a file not an executable script!
[06:57] <stjepan> Razor-X: why?
[06:57] <stjepan> what is better with it?
[06:57] <Scotched> but I dont dual boot, so
[06:57] <kengur> can someone help with ADSL?
[06:57] <Mayhem> stjepan, it doesn't leave you it a bad mess if you misconfigure it
[06:57] <magog> i have a dual boot with windows ONLY so i can play san andreas
[06:58] <magog> it wont emulate......YET
[06:58] <stjepan> Mayhem: ok, tnx
[06:58] <PhantomFreak> The file reads... 896Mhz... Trying to get it to run at 700 for the battery conservation!
[06:58] <decaf> kengur: what's wrong?
[06:58] <stjepan> kengur: what is your problem?
[06:58] <Razor-X> stjepan: GRUB tends to have better features too
[06:58] <goldfish> magog: never will :)
[06:58] <kengur> i can't connect
[06:58] <hondje> PhantomFreak: No clue if that's accurate, just curious if it matched what you expected
[06:58] <Razor-X> and, GRUB has a very nice shell, in fact
[06:58] <magog> goldfish, sure it will
[06:58] <stjepan> I have configured ADSL on Ubuntu
[06:58] <Scotched> anyway back to, can anyone help me with a DE-220P ethernet card?
[06:58] <Razor-X> Scotched: what's the prublem?
[06:58] <Razor-X> kengur: why?
[06:58] <stjepan> kengur: Just ask
[06:58] <stjepan> ;)
[06:58] <Razor-X> *problem
[06:59] <decaf> kengur: what's your modem?
[06:59] <PhantomFreak> nope! What should I need extension wise! Desired speed in KHz is obvious!
[06:59] <kengur> stjepan, i have dsl300t (eithernet)
[06:59] <stjepan> kengur: do you use ethernet?
[06:59] <stjepan> I have ethernet and wlan
[06:59] <stjepan> it is ok
[06:59] <Razor-X> kengur: do you need a username/password?
[06:59] <kengur> yes
[06:59] <Scotched> while the de-220P is supposedly supported, it cannot detect it/ load a module for it to use
[06:59] <Razor-X> kengur: ok, then you want to use pppoe
[07:00] <TokenBad> ok how use nautilus again?
[07:00] <stjepan> I just connected ethernet cable to ethernet and router (LAN1)
[07:00] <stjepan> it works ok
[07:00] <Razor-X> stjepan: ttha's a different case
[07:00] <kengur> Razor-X, i tried it once, but then i couldn't make it default route, and now it's not working at all
[07:00] <booly> no much relation to ubuntu: do you know of an application for editing a dvd ? like adding subtitles menu and stuff (that will work on linux) ?
[07:00] <Razor-X> that's because you have a non-PPPoe connection forwarded through a router with a DHCP server
[07:00] <Scotched> online i've seen suggestions to try the ne2000 driver, but this seems not to work
[07:01] <stjepan> kengur: have you connected cable?
[07:01] <PhantomFreak> I'm gonna try shutting down & booting from battery!
[07:01] <Razor-X> uggghhh, Azureus needs a disk-ccahe
[07:01] <kengur> stjepan, i'm using pppoe in my modem atm, so yes *dummy mode off* *linux newbie mode on*
[07:01] <reka> TokenBad: places->home folder
[07:01] <benjamin123> im not sure of the mount point of my dvd drive, how can i check this out?
[07:02] <Razor-X> benjamin123: is it already mounted?
[07:02] <stjepan> kengur: go to network configuration
[07:02] <stjepan> kengur: and set eth0 to active
[07:02] <stjepan> kengur: in properties, set to DHCP
[07:02] <stjepan> and that's all
[07:02] <Razor-X> stjepan: that's enableedd  byfault
[07:02] <stjepan> yes
[07:02] <kengur> stjepan, it was always on
[07:02] <Razor-X> *by default
[07:02] <Razor-X> it doesen't matter
[07:03] <stjepan> so run FireFox
[07:03] <Razor-X> he needs to dial in pppoe
[07:03] <benjamin123> if i stick a dvd in, it shows up on the desktop.. but i dont know what to tell the dvd player to find the the movie
[07:03] <stjepan> and type IP, 192.168.1.1
[07:03] <stjepan> it should work
[07:03] <Razor-X> *my
[07:03] <Razor-X> *myerrr, heh
[07:03] <Scotched> furthermore, is there anyway to test my card from within the installer to save time between reboots
[07:03] <stjepan> I am leaving you to get icecream ;)
[07:03] <Razor-X> ...., ok,  thisis being stupid....
[07:03] <kengur> Razor-X, how do i dial (and make it redial when disconnected auto)?
[07:04] <synd> someone needs to kickban bahar
[07:04] <hondje> benjamin123: do you have xine set up in system -> preferences -> removable drives and media?
[07:04] <Razor-X> why does Azureus take up so much CPU?
[07:04] <nalioth> Razor-X: welcome to java land
[07:04] <plex> Hello, does anyone know how to make a static entry in resolv.conf? The DNS keeps resetting after every reboot.
[07:04] <synd> Razor-X: it shouldnt. hoe much RAM do you have
[07:04] <synd> how
[07:04] <hondje> benjamin123: if not, go there, click the 'multimedia' tab, and in the box next to video DVD disks put in 'xine --auto-play --auto-scan dvd'
[07:04] <benjamin123> i have vlc setup
[07:04] <benjamin123> ok
[07:04] <nalioth> synd you ready for this?!?
[07:04] <benjamin123> illtry that
[07:05] <synd> nalioth: ??
[07:05] <TokenBad> ok here is a question
[07:05] <TokenBad> I want to run a game from windows drive
[07:05] <kengur> Razor-X, the problem is I can't be here and fiddle around with bridge mode =)
[07:05] <TokenBad> and have cedega installed now
[07:05] <hondje> benjamin123: I don't know how to set vlc to automatically launch
[07:05] <TokenBad> but I can't get into the Program Files dir
[07:05] <sol77> Could anyone tell me if it's safe to write to a mounted ntfs-partition now-a-days, or is that still unsafe?
[07:05] <hondje> sol77: bad
[07:06] <sol77> hondje - thanks.
[07:06] <hondje> sol77: You're welcome
[07:06] <TokenBad> can anyone tell me in console how to get into Program Files dir?
[07:06] <nalioth> sol77: there is something called "captive" i believe  its at sourceforge
[07:06] <hondje> TokenBad: do you have the windows drive mounted?
[07:06] <HappyFool> TokenBad: you mean on a windows partition?
[07:06] <sol77> nalioth - I'll look into it. Thanks.
[07:06] <TokenBad> yes
[07:06] <nalioth> sol77: it uses a 'captive' ntfs.sys or whatever from winduhs to 'safely' write
[07:06] <TokenBad> to both questions
[07:07] <HappyFool> TokenBad: something like    cd Program\ Files   ought to do it
[07:07] <nalioth> sol77: HOWEVER nobody has come in here and reported back to us
[07:07] <TokenBad> with the \ in it?
[07:07] <hondje> cd /path/to/mount/"Program Files"
[07:07] <HappyFool> or you can use double (or single) quotes: cd "Program Files"
[07:07] <hondje> either with the \ or in quotes
[07:07] <TokenBad> cause did cd Program Files
[07:07] <TokenBad> or cd /Program Files
[07:07] <hondje> cd Program<tab> too
[07:08] <stjepan> I am back
[07:08] <sol77> nalioth - I'll report back if I can get it to work. I'm not very good with linux, yet.
[07:08] <TokenBad> the tab trick worked
[07:09] <stjepan> ubuntu has great hardware detection
[07:09] <nalioth> sol77: well, NTFS writing is still "unsafe" so you have been warned (unsafe as in full partition loss)
[07:09] <kengur> stjepan, how did you get your connection working from the very beginning?
[07:09] <hondje> sol77: I read something about an app that uses a win ntfs drvier to allow safe writing, but that was some time ago
[07:09] <TokenBad> ok so boiling point not work under cedega
[07:09] <stjepan> kengur: I have said that
[07:09] <TokenBad> heheh
[07:09] <PhantomFreak> It's worked! I re-booted with the mains off and it now reads... 697.290 MHz... It is working, it's just it didn't need setting up!
[07:10] <kengur> stjepan, no, i mean ADSL
[07:10] <PhantomFreak> Wish it would have told me!
[07:10] <stjepan> kengur: I just connected cable, opened FireFox, typed 192.168.1.1 and that is all
[07:10] <sol77> nalioth - It is a pretty important partition so maybe I should just convert it to fat32 instead..
[07:10] <stjepan> Ubuntu is great
[07:10] <stjepan> I have not connected with knoppix
[07:10] <kengur> stjepan, did u run pppoe?
[07:10] <nalioth> sol77: use partition magic and cross yer fingers (or dont cross, just back up your data)
[07:10] <stjepan> kengur: no
[07:10] <sol77> hondje - I don't think I have the guts to play around with it. :)
[07:11] <hondje> sol77: I wouldn't either :)
[07:11] <thenuke> nalioth: it's funny that ppl does not believe that partition magic really can suck :) "It has never failed on me!"
[07:11] <stjepan> kengur: I connected with LiveCD version of Ubuntu
[07:11] <magog> hmmm i get this when trying to install enemy territory,      Verifying archive integrity...Error in MD5 checksums: 2774e412c61201dcc90111fef3b2aa29 is different from b8b59bc515d86cc845fb52f5d2c14423
[07:11] <kengur> ok, let's have it this way, can anyone help with PPPOE? =)
[07:11] <sol77> nalioth - is there a free alternative?
[07:11] <magog> is that jus corrupted from using wget?
[07:11] <stjepan> I have not downloaded anything to configure adsl
[07:12] <nalioth> sol77: not to convert AND keep your data
[07:12] <kengur> stjepan, ur using the same way i do now (pppoe build in modem) but this is very unstable on my line and makes the modem hung frequently, i want a different way
[07:12] <stjepan> kengur: try to do that
[07:12] <PhantomFreak> With both my batteries (main and ultrabay) I get a predicted battery life of about 6 hours!
[07:12] <sol77> nalioth - ok, I'll just copy everything, reformat and copy back the data.
[07:12] <nalioth> sol77: sounds the safest way
[07:13] <sol77> nalioth & hondje - thanks for the help guys.
[07:13] <hondje> word
[07:13] <stjepan> kengur: I do not need ppoe configuration
[07:15] <padraig> has anyone here got opinions on installing apache2 / php / mysql via apt-get Vs. installing xampp? I've tried both and I'm having problems getting mysql to let me make new users etc
[07:15] <TQuid> Hi folks.
[07:15] <mypapit> hi TQuid
[07:15] <HappyFool> what's xampp?
[07:16] <Turoq> how can i connect to a shared network driver which has shared using windows ?
[07:16] <TQuid> I've got a Dell 220S and there is no linux support for it.  Anyone know a way to find out which drive in a RAID away is the failing one?  I have three failing, kind of a serious problem, out of eight mirrors.
[07:16] <stjepan> kengur: look at this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PicNetworkSettings.png
[07:16] <padraig> xampp ~= lampp a combined install of apache / php / mysql (and phpmyadmin)
[07:16] <TQuid> It looks like the letters were re-assigned after a reboot, so there's no neat correspondence anymore between the drive letters and scsi ID (if there ever was).
[07:17] <nalioth> hondje: http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[07:17] <stjepan> kengur: and this: http://www.linuxfrench.net/IMG/png/network-ubuntu-hoary1.png
[07:18] <TQuid> (and is there a more suitable place for help of this non-OS-dependent sort?)
[07:18] <stjepan> kengur: I clicked on ethernet connection an properties, then dhcp, and ok, ok
[07:18] <kengur> stjepan, i got that point, thanks for help but that is not the thing i need
[07:18] <nalioth> TQuid: have you done a /list? perhaps there is a channel more devoted to your subject
[07:18] <hondje> nalioth: that's the one :)
[07:19] <stjepan> kengur: what is problem with it?
[07:19] <stjepan> kengur: is there error message?
[07:19] <kengur> stjepan, i need the thing called PPPOE, not just plug-that-cable-in
[07:20] <stjepan> ok
[07:20] <stjepan> but what is the problem
[07:20] <stjepan> exactly
[07:20] <HappyFool> Turoq: have you tried going to Places -> Network Servers -> Windows Network ? (assuming ubuntu, not kubuntu)
[07:20] <kengur> i can't make ppp0 default route (my guess)
[07:21] <Turoq> HappyFool i have ubuntu, and i tried and it shows windows network folder in it but its empty :SD
[07:21] <stjepan> kengur: what is the error message? have you log?
[07:21] <smoky_> ng: are you there?
[07:22] <kengur> log what? i bring up pppoeconf then plog says things are ok, then i ping yahoo.com and it doesn't resolve ip
[07:22] <kengur> i tried using rp-pppoe with same results
[07:23] <nalioth> brb
[07:23] <kengur> there's so little about ununtu pppoe configuration written =(
[07:23] <decaf> kengur: what do you have in /etc/resolv.conf
[07:23] <HappyFool> Turoq: have you tested the network connection between the machines?
[07:23] <kengur> decaf, assuming it was written by pppoeconf
[07:24] <decaf> kengur: you need 'usepeerdns' line
[07:24] <Turoq> ahh gotit
[07:24] <decaf> kengur: it shoud have, but may be there is a problem
[07:24] <HappyFool> Turoq: what was the problem?
[07:25] <kengur> decaf, i have "nameserver 212.188.4.10" atm and i need to disconnect and go with brigde to check what's in there =(
[07:25] <Turoq> happyfool i got it when i used terminal
[07:26] <Turoq> smbclient //ip/folder -U username
[07:26] <cinlung> hi guys
[07:26] <Turoq> but
[07:26] <kengur> decaf, just what is the correct thing to do step by step to go with pppoe in ubuntu (assuming it's the best way)
[07:26] <cinlung> I am a newbie for ubuntu
[07:26] <Turoq> how can i get whole folder ?
[07:26] <cinlung> may I ask any experts here about ubuntu?
[07:26] <scc> hiiiiiiiiiiii
[07:26] <thenuke> cinlung: dont ask for experts, just state your problem :) it may not need an expert to answer
[07:26] <E0x> exactly
[07:26] <cinlung> can anyone tell me why there are ubuntu and kubuntu?
[07:27] <nalioth> cinlung: fancy names
[07:27] <E0x> easy
[07:27] <thenuke> cinlung: kubuntu comes with KDE
[07:27] <Amaranth> cinlung: kubuntu is a community project based on ubuntu
[07:27] <hondje> cinlung: to keep each distro on one CD?
[07:27] <thenuke> cinlung: ubuntu ships with gnome
[07:27] <mjr> cinlung, because only one DE fits onto a CD
[07:27] <HappyFool> Turoq: hm. how about Places -> Connect to Server..   -- i see a Windows share option there
[07:27] <thenuke> cinlung: ubuntu is the Original thing
[07:27] <sobersabre> guys in kde 3.3 there was "home" icon on the desktop.
[07:27] <sobersabre> how can i get one in 3.4
[07:27] <sobersabre> ?
[07:27] <kengur> so far i've heard diff answers from everyone =))
[07:28] <cinlung> what are the advantages of gnome over KDE? Lately I see kde perform better in term of multimedia dn user friendliness
[07:28] <sobersabre> i also would like to have icons for mounted CDs/flashdisk
[07:28] <HappyFool> sobersabre: if you don't get an answer here, try #kubuntu
[07:28] <Amaranth> cinlung: KDE is not better wrt user friendlyness :)
[07:28] <kengur> cinlung, and it segfaults about once per 30 min in my experience
[07:28] <cyphase> why exactly does ubuntu backport fixes into packages instead of upgrading the package?
[07:28] <cyphase> firefox for example
[07:28] <cinlung> could you install both Gnome and KDE into one systems so that we can easily swith one from another?
[07:28] <hondje> cyphase: nothing, really
[07:28] <hondje> cinlung: I do that
[07:28] <mjr> cinlung, yes, you can
[07:28] <virtuald> in my experience KDE is more ugly
[07:29] <Amaranth> cyphase: because the firefox developers get feature happy and potentially break things
[07:29] <cinlung> how to do it?
[07:29] <cyphase> KDE is ugly
[07:29] <HappyFool> one imagines all the gnome-bashers are in #kubuntu ;)
[07:29] <cyphase> ol
[07:29] <cyphase> lol*
[07:29] <thenuke> cinlung: try apt-get install kde :)
[07:29] <mjr> cinlung, just install both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop packages
[07:29] <thenuke> oh yeah, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop..
[07:29] <cinlung> but I thought 1 CD only consist of either KDE or gnome
[07:29] <Amaranth> cyphase: when at all possible API, ABI, and feature stability are maintained in a release
[07:29] <cinlung> can you install ubuntu first
[07:29] <kengur> i'm going back to windows =((
[07:30] <thenuke> well kde works too I bet but kubuntu-desktop package install must more things into it
[07:30] <Amaranth> kengur: why?
[07:30] <cinlung> and then put in the Kubuntu and install just the gnome?
[07:30] <mjr> cinlung, correct, so you use them both or preferrably the network
[07:30] <thenuke> kengur: you should use both, windows and linux :)
[07:30] <cinlung> I mean install with ubuntu first and then somehow get the KDE from the kubuntu disc?
[07:30] <kengur> Amaranth, cause i can't use ADSL for leeching things (get modem hung with build in pppoe)
[07:30] <Amaranth> leeching things?
[07:31] <kengur> torrent
[07:31] <hondje> cinlung: apt-get will allow you to download kubuntu stuff from the internet, and install it for you
[07:31] <mjr> cinlung, ofr example, though I'd recommend apt-getting from the network
[07:31] <Amaranth> kengur: you're not supposed to be leeching anyway
[07:31] <tahorg> Amaranth: why ?
[07:31] <Amaranth> kengur: those linux distro ISOs need as many seeders as possible
[07:31] <Seveas> Amaranth, lol ;)
[07:31] <Amaranth> tahorg: bittorrent works tit-for-tat
[07:32] <tahorg> Amaranth: Ok, got your point.
[07:32] <cinlung> does the KDE in the kubuntu has the palm support with USB like in Suse and Fedora?
[07:32] <Amaranth> tahorg: you upload a byte, you can download a byte
[07:32] <stjepan> one question, pls
[07:32] <nubbe> I got dhcp, how do I release my ip# and request a new one?
[07:32] <Seveas> stjepan, read the topic: just ask
[07:32] <thenuke> nubbe: sudo dhclient
[07:32] <Amaranth> nubbe: sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0
[07:32] <Amaranth> nubbe: you'll get disconnected from the network when you do it
[07:32] <stjepan> i have adsl, ethernet, it works ok, but on ubuntu live adsl is very slow
[07:32] <nubbe> oki, thanks both of u
[07:33] <HappyFool> does that guarantee a new ip addr ?
[07:33] <Amaranth> HappyFool: you can never do that
[07:33] <Amaranth> HappyFool: that's up to the DHCP server
[07:33] <HappyFool> Amaranth: i didn't think so
[07:33] <stjepan> i have adsl, ethernet, it works ok, but on ubuntu live adsl is very slow. What is the problem?
[07:33] <Amaranth> stjepan: Please don't repeat yourself. If someone can help they will.
[07:33] <cinlung> Can I install with ubuntu disc first and then somehow get the KDE from the kubuntu disc later?
[07:33] <Amaranth> cinlung: yeah, you can use synaptic to add the kubuntu CD as a repository
[07:34] <cinlung> ic ic
[07:34] <Amaranth> cinlung: then install kubuntu-desktop
[07:34] <cinlung> thnaks
[07:34] <cinlung> thanks
[07:34] <cinlung> one more
[07:34] <cinlung> does kubuntu or ubuntu support palm with USB?
[07:34] <Seveas> cinlung, both support it
[07:35] <cinlung> what software does the gnome version uses?
[07:35] <cinlung> for the palm I mean
[07:35] <stjepan> does live slow down internet speed?
[07:35] <stjepan> what do you think?
[07:35] <Seveas> stjepan, live slows down everything
[07:36] <Seveas> stjepan, live cds are not designed or meant to be fast
[07:36] <stjepan> Seveas: but why internet also?
[07:37] <stjepan> does Kde programs work on Ubuntu's gnome?
[07:37] <cinlung> OK guys... among all the members here. I'd like to hold a vote about gnome and KDE. Please tell me your country of origin and why you like the desktop UI you choose... This will help me a lot... thank you in advance
[07:37] <thenuke> stjepan: yes
[07:37] <thenuke> stjepan: they just need some kde-libraries
[07:37] <cinlung> Indonesia: KDE because it is very multimedia and friendly
[07:38] <cinlung> please vote people
[07:38] <HappyFool> cinlung: great. if you like kde, use it. choice is good.
[07:38] <stjepan> cinlung: I preger gnome, it think it is faster, and in my opinion, nicer :)
[07:38] <hondje> Why does it matter who uses what?
[07:38] <hondje> Try them all out, and use the one that suits you
[07:38] <goldfish> cinlung: ireland, xfce. or flux.
[07:38] <thenuke> cinlung: wellh, I bet that about 90% of ppl in here use gnome because that is the default
[07:38] <stjepan> I am from Croatia
[07:39] <HappyFool> if you're feeling really experimental, try out twm or something... ah. minimalist.
[07:39] <stjepan> thenuke: yeah, that is true
[07:40] <kengur> russia: gnome cause it's more stable, has better programmers attracted and C# friendly
[07:41] <karljp> anyone seen this: localhost kernel: mm/memory.c:110: bad pmd 00000001
[07:41] <karljp> no apparent reason for it, but caused a hard lockup
[07:41] <Seveas> karljp, run memtest86, you might have bad memory
[07:42] <cinlung> thanks so much guys... I guess the world prefer Gnome. This vote meant a lot for me because I wanted to adopt a standard that the world support. I have been having headache about which environment to choose. too many version.
[07:42] <karljp> what's the 86 for?
[07:42] <Seveas> that's the name
[07:42] <HappyFool> presumably for x86 style architectures
[07:43] <kengur> cinlung, well really KDE is more popular, Gnome is the only choice for enterprise
[07:43] <karljp> ahh, memtest86+, not the standard memtest that's installed by default
[07:43] <Seveas> karljp, i mean the memtest installed by default
[07:43] <cinlung> ic ic.. also another thing I realized is that KDE has more UI for most linux settings, while gnome mostly still use regular text file
[07:43] <inc595> anyone good with the nautilus samba share?
[07:43] <karljp> well, that] s "memtest" not memtest86, just fyi :)
[07:44] <hondje> cinlung: seriously, just try them both out, they ahve the strong and weak points
[07:44] <meridius> Hello, I just installed ubuntu and I'm new to linux. Can anyone tell me which program to use for a graphical monitor of CPU and network usage?
[07:44] <hondje> cinlung: it all comes down to opinion, the same thing that makes one guy buy chevy and the other guy honda
[07:44] <mjr> meridius, there are panel applets for those
[07:44] <mjr> meridius, right click on panel, then add applet, look for cpu and netowrk monitors
[07:44] <meridius> Panel applets? (I just installed this yesterday)
[07:44] <kengur> meridius, r-click the task bar (top) and add monitor
[07:44] <stjepan> cinlung: try Knoppix and Ubuntu live and see
[07:44] <londonboi2k3> Hi guys, I need a liitle help with Bzflag, I am trying to install the debian package but i get the following error bzflag depends on libcurl3 (>= 7.13.0-1); however Version of libcurl3 on system is 7.12.3-2ubuntu3.   Im really sorry if this sounds silly but i am a little new to linux
[07:44] <magog> ok im installing enemy territory, it uncompressed, then asked for my root pass, i gave it but it keeps asking for it over and over and wont continue
[07:45] <meridius> whoa crazy. thanks kengur
[07:45] <cinlung> I did try both and that was the impression I got. Please correctme if I am wrong. In general, I think KDE is better for non technical user and gnome for real hardcore.
[07:45] <jetscreamer> kde and gnome are for windows users to like
[07:45] <gangalee> how do you add to the path?
[07:45] <mjr> cinlung, I, generally, would be of the exact opposite opinion :)
[07:45] <HappyFool> londonboi2k3: how are you installing bzflag? using apt-get or synaptic, or dpkg ?
[07:45] <xoz> londonboi2k3: try apt-get dist-upgrade/upgrade.. you may have some deps problem
[07:45] <Seveas> londonboi2k3, why are you using the package from debian..?
[07:46] <jetscreamer> londonboi2k3: you should get the version you need
[07:46] <londonboi2k3> I am using dpkg -i
[07:46] <nalioth> cinlung: kde is more comfortable for windows users, i believe
[07:46] <cinlung> mjr: really. please tell me why?
[07:46] <bigbill52a> if you use the sources.list from the unofficial guide and attempt to use the restricted modules...you will get an xfree86 ati driver, rather than an xorg driver
[07:46] <kengur> just for a quick note i could never work out how to make KDE applet monitor network =))
[07:46] <HappyFool> londonboi2k3: bzflag is in ubuntu's 'universe' repository, there's no need to use dpkg
[07:46] <londonboi2k3> i tried apt-get but its version 1
[07:46] <hondje> HappyFool: It's version1
[07:46] <mjr> cinlung, gnome's more straightforward with no excess of options eg., kde is more for the tweaker
[07:46] <HappyFool> ah
[07:46] <hondje> They changed to 2 before someone moved it in, and that's sad :(
[07:46] <londonboi2k3> i am trying to install 2.0.0
[07:46] <londonboi2k3> i am trying to install 2.0.2 i mean
[07:47] <cinlung> mjr: you got a point there. Which is somewhat nicve to have too... :) You can understand all the linux possibilities.
[07:47] <Di42lo> How do i install .deb file ? lol...i use so much apt-get so i forgot how to install downloaded file
[07:47] <jetscreamer> dpkg -i
[07:47] <Di42lo> thx
[07:47] <londonboi2k3> xos i did that aswell but its not seem to be a deendacy prob
[07:48] <bigbill52a> if you download the xorg driver from ati, you have to use dpkg -i --force-all
[07:48] <meridius> kengur: the panel applets worked, however they just show up as a tiny little icon on the top. Is there anyway to view them more graphically on the side?
[07:48] <jetscreamer> londonboi2k3: then go get libcurl3 version you need
[07:48] <HappyFool> londonboi2k3: the ubuntu curl library is unlikely to be updated before breezy is released
[07:48] <dmoyne> when upgarding hoary whai the meaning of these 3 lines :
[07:48] <londonboi2k3> how do i get the libcurl version i need, would i use apt-get?
[07:49] <cinlung> well... nice to join you all guys and thanks for all the great opinions. I hope ubuntu may become a worthy opponent of fedora and suse
[07:49] <londonboi2k3> because apt-get install libcurl3 says newist version is already installed
[07:49] <kengur> no, u can just make them wider
[07:49] <jetscreamer> you 'could' download it from packages.debian.org and dpkg -i it... but i'm not recommending using any non ubuntu sources londonboi2k3 because i don't know what it will do to that
[07:49] <bigbill52a> does anyone have the sources.list entry for the new kde?
[07:49] <Burgundavia> bigbill52a, which new kde?
[07:49] <proko> hi
[07:49] <hondje> londonboi2k3: that dep is okay to ignore
[07:49] <karljp> heh, memtest all wasn't a good idea
[07:50] <Di42lo> is there other text editors for gnome except gedit ?
[07:50] <meridius> kengur: Ok, well do you know of any other programs which can do that?
[07:50] <jetscreamer> gedit rocks
[07:50] <proko> I try to install e17 on my computer, but the compiler seems not to see X, any idea ?
[07:50] <londonboi2k3> hmm, ok, i will force it and if its not working ill go with the deb package :) Thanks guys
[07:50] <nalioth> karljp: did you get colored smoke?
[07:50] <kengur> kremg-something, i don't remember the name =))
[07:50] <karljp> not quite, just locked up
[07:50] <meridius> ok, i'll google it
[07:50] <kengur> it's KDE thing though
[07:50] <nalioth> Di42lo: nedit
[07:51] <sandip> Di42lo: what do you need the editor for? occasional text editing, or coding?
[07:51] <Di42lo> coding + hebrew
[07:51] <meridius> awww ;(
[07:51] <jetscreamer> nedit is cool to run scripts with (after editing)
[07:51] <kengur> meridius, u better ask around, it's just sounds to me it was kremg-something =)
[07:51] <Di42lo> (right to left lang)
[07:51] <jode> can someone tell me how to update java in ubuntu?
[07:51] <kengur> google is not phonetics friendly =))
[07:51] <Seveas> jode: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[07:51] <meridius> There's one called GkrellM
[07:52] <Seveas> adn do that manually for every release of java...
[07:52] <meridius> http://members.dslextreme.com/users/billw/gkrellm/gkrellm.html
[07:52] <proko> proko I try to install e17 on my computer, but the compiler seems not to see X, any idea ?
[07:52] <HappyFool> make-dpkg, i presume, not make-jpkg
[07:52] <magog> hmm i got enemy territory to work but it has no sound... anyone have this problem b4?
[07:52] <jode> thanks
[07:52] <nalioth> proko: the e17 wasnt available from the repos?
[07:52] <Seveas> HappyFool, it is make-jpkg
[07:52] <HappyFool> ah, ok
[07:53] <Seveas> "make me a java package"
[07:53] <sandip> Di42lo: Have to taken a look at Anjuta?
[07:53] <proko> sorry nalioth ?
[07:53] <HappyFool> jode left already. doh.
[07:53] <proko> I got it via CVS
[07:53] <Seveas> proko, sudo aptitude install xlibs-dev
[07:53] <proko> k
[07:53] <kengur> e17 is all like experimental
[07:53] <proko> thanks Seveas
[07:53] <jetscreamer> alioth
[07:54] <Di42lo> sandip: no ...sec
[07:55] <proko> xlibs-dev install running ...
[07:55] <smoky_> hello
[07:56] <karljp> hmm, it seems that the other people on the net with "bad pmd" messages things keep running for them
[07:56] <smoky_> does anybody know how to check the bios calls from ubuntu?
[07:56] <sandip> Di42lo: It is a bit heavy, but it is a full fledged editor with multi-lingual support. BTW, gedit is good as a multi-lingual editor too, but it does hardly more than text editing.
[07:56] <karljp> has whoever it was that suggested running memtest86 actually seen this message before?
[07:56] <karljp> or was "run memtest86" a guess based on the error message?
[07:56] <jetscreamer> linux kindof ignores bios doesn't it, or doesn't need it or something
[07:57] <smoky_> jetscreamer: but my laptop gives some special bios calls that do not work correctly in ubuntu hoary
[07:57] <smoky_> but do in all other os
[07:57] <smoky_> even the live-cd
[07:58] <ProkoAFK> Seveas, I works now
[07:58] <ProkoAFK> thank U
[07:58] <ProkoAFK> :D
[07:58] <ProkoAFK> bye bye
[07:59] <Seveas> :)
[07:59] <chileverde> q: how can I start using the 586 kernel (it seems ubuntu installs 386 by default)?
[07:59] <smoky_> any idea what part of ubuntu can cause the delay of bios calls?
[07:59] <Seveas> chileverde, there is no 586 kernel, there is a 686 one though
[07:59] <Seveas> sudo aptitude install linux-686
[07:59] <chileverde> thats right, sry
[07:59] <Seveas> and choose the correct one when booting
[08:00] <chileverde> just like that?
[08:00] <Seveas> yep
[08:00] <chileverde> nice, ty
[08:00] <Seveas> isn't it great :)
[08:00] <chileverde> (coming from gentoo, ubuntu really amazes me)
[08:01] <yaaar> word
[08:01] <stjepan> is Ubuntu installer complicted
[08:01] <stjepan> ?
[08:01] <stjepan> complicated?
[08:02] <HappyFool> no, in my opinion
[08:02] <chileverde> piece of cake, pretty much select lang thats it
[08:02] <chileverde> :D
[08:02] <kutucape> well it willbe complicated for average joe
[08:02] <Seveas> stjepan, it's very easy
[08:03] <kutucape> every average joe know GUI mode installer
[08:03] <Seveas> stjepan, the most difficult thing is manually partitioning if you need that
[08:03] <kutucape> it's easy if you instal for a new fresh harddisk
[08:04] <kutucape> and use automatic partition
[08:04] <stjepan> Seveas: I know how to make partitions
[08:04] <stjepan> what about other?
[08:05] <Seveas> stjepan, well, the other questions are name/pw/location/language/keyboard layout
[08:05] <Seveas> and that's i
[08:05] <Seveas> t
[08:05] <nalioth> stefan_dk: it's easy as pic
[08:05] <nalioth> pie even
[08:06] <nalioth> stjepan: easy as pie. this is one of the most user friendly distros i've used
[08:06] <stjepan> Seveas: do you have any ubuntu video?
[08:06] <stjepan> or ubuntu install guide?
[08:07] <othernoob> stjepan: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=305&slide=1
[08:08] <nalioth> stjepan: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallHowTo
[08:08] <gangalee> does anyone know how to set the path on Hoary?
[08:09] <HappyFool> gangalee: for the command-line only?
[08:09] <Seveas> gangalee, try setting it in ~/.gnomerc or ~/.bashrc (last one is for when you just need it in the shell)
[08:09] <wdh> hi ppls.. i've been trying to get hardware acceleration to work with my KM 400 Via Unichrome onboard videocard.. does anyone have a clue on what has to be done exactly to get this working?
[08:09] <stjepan> oh thx
[08:11] <hanseatic> hi... i am trying to set up a correct german localisation de_DE UTF-8 euro... that also works for the console... however it will not work properly... umlaut signs and )))(/&%$"! are not displayed corectly
[08:11] <nalioth> time for work
[08:12] <wdh> hanseatic, 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'?
[08:12] <Seveas> hanseatic, edit /etc/environment
[08:15] <gangalee> thx
[08:17] <per> I just installed kernek 2.6.11.1, and now I'm having serious problems with gam_server. kernel spews out " sceduling while atomic gam_server/0xffffffff0/" 20 times in the console, and panic. I had to delete gam_server to start gnome. Does anyone know what is wrong?
[08:17] <stjepan> "making sure that LILO is installed to the root superblock
[08:17] <stjepan> (boot sector) of the Linux Native partition, not the master boot record." - is it true?
[08:17] <per> s/kernek/kernel/
[08:17] <Turoq> what is wrong, i got newest ati drivers but when i try to run quake3, it lags with poorest settings
[08:18] <Seveas> per, 2.6.11 is unsupported and known to contain bugs
[08:18] <Turoq> but in windows it works fine with max settings
[08:18] <Seveas> do not use it
[08:18] <per> argh.
[08:18] <per> I was so happy to have inotify and everything. Well well. I'll just downgrade. Thanks.
[08:19] <gangalee> HappyFool: yes, for command line only
[08:20] <HappyFool> gangalee: ok. i think Seveas answered your question  -- ~/.bashrc may be what you want
[08:21] <HappyFool> gangalee: especially if you're planning on logging in on the console (i.e., Ctl-Alt-F1), in which case i don't think ~/.gnomerc won't be sourced
[08:21] <HappyFool> err
[08:21] <bigbill52a> turoq...did you download the drivers from ati?
[08:21] <HappyFool> i don't think ~/.gnomerc *will* be sourced, at the console, that is
[08:21] <Turoq> bigbill52a yeah
[08:21] <Turoq> and i got 2300 from glxgears
[08:21] <Turoq> fps
[08:21] <Seveas> HappyFool, it is sourced on lgoin
[08:22] <Turoq> but i just wonder why the hell quake3 is so laggy
[08:22] <Seveas> so it's set in shells to
[08:22] <Seveas> too
[08:22] <bigbill52a> that is about what i get
[08:22] <HappyFool> Seveas: yeah, but not .. you know. the console. non-gui login.
[08:22] <Seveas> ah, *ping*
[08:23] <HappyFool> never knew about .gnomerc. looks awfully useful.
[08:23] <bigbill52a> 3055
[08:23] <bigbill52a> full screen 240
[08:24] <bigbill52a> amd-64 with 9600xt
[08:24] <gangalee> I don't see where to set the path still, I thought it was something like SETENV...
[08:25] <Seveas> gangalee, put this line in ~/.bashrc
[08:25] <Seveas> export PATH=/something/to/add/to/path:$PATH
[08:27] <Dr_Melectaus> is there any other progs other than winrar that allow you to open .rar files (for free)
[08:28] <chileverde> unrar
[08:28] <Burgundavia> Dr_Melectaus, unrar-nonfree
[08:28] <Dr_Melectaus> unrar?
[08:28] <Dr_Melectaus> hmmk
[08:28] <Dr_Melectaus> ill do a google
[08:28] <Dr_Melectaus> cheers
[08:29] <chileverde> how can I change the default kernel image to boot? Or do I need to change grub.conf?
[08:30] <HappyFool> i think it's /boot/grub/menu.lst you need to tweak
[08:30] <HappyFool> look for the 'default' parameter. shouldn't be too hard to figure out
[08:30] <gangalee> funny, my File Roller (2.10.1) on Hoary handles the .rars, yet my archive mgr. on Warty doesn't
[08:30] <REds> ye it has an order near the top of the menu.lst file
[08:30] <chileverde> yeah, I know, but I think there was a config option in gnome for that
[08:31] <HappyFool> ah, dunno. if you find it, let me know ;)
[08:31] <Dr_Melectaus> See when you all started useing linux. What did you do to learn about it
[08:31] <Dr_Melectaus> i mean, ive used it once or twice and just cant do squat with itr
[08:31] <Dr_Melectaus> it**
[08:31] <concept10> Anyone have beagle working in ubuntu?
[08:31] <bigbill52a> bashed my head against the wall a couple of times///
[08:32] <hondje> Dr_Melectaus: I had no choice, and only used it :)
[08:32] <HappyFool> Dr_Melectaus: you can browse http://wiki.ubuntu.com for lots of info on ubuntu
[08:32] <HappyFool> Dr_Melectaus: also en.tldp.org, for slightly more techie stuff. I'm sure there are many more sites with info
[08:33] <HappyFool> Dr_Melectaus: what do you wish to do with your computer?
[08:33] <gangalee> Seveas: thanks
[08:33] <chileverde> ubuntu makes it really easy for newcomers btw
[08:34] <MrGardenHoseMan> anyone know vmware here?
[08:34] <Dr_Melectaus> HappyFool: i eventualy want to be into web dev, but atm just to browse the web, learn more about the techy stuff rather than a gui doing it all for me
[08:35] <drspin> MrGardenHoseMan: I use VmWare every day
[08:36] <MrGardenHoseMan> if i create a partition using it inside widnows, will it overwrite any files?
[08:36] <MrGardenHoseMan> most likely not, but just want to make sure
[08:36] <drspin> uh ? If you create a partition it will only apply inside the virtual machine
[08:37] <MrGardenHoseMan> eh that works
[08:37] <MrGardenHoseMan> heh
[08:38] <HappyFool> Dr_Melectaus: ok. well, browsing etc. is obviously supported. using synaptic or apt-get you can easily install apache (a web-server) and related software
[08:38] <Dr_Melectaus> cool
[08:40] <marsh> Does anyone know about id3 taggin? I'm trying to write script to sort out my mp3's, but having a nightmare finding a tagger (command line) that lets me read the tags and gives me more than 15(or so) of the album titles characters >:( as I beleive it, the tags should be of variable length. is this true?
[08:42] <HappyFool> marsh: i think the maximum length depends on the 'version' of id3 tag. what tools have you tried ?
[08:42] <synd> i just untar'd a file. whered it go?
[08:42] <Ng> id3 is generally a nightmare :/
[08:43] <HappyFool> marsh: apt-cache search id3v reveals a host of tools
[08:43] <Ng> synd: how did yo untar it?
[08:43] <Ng> +u
[08:43] <synd> tar xvzf, ng
[08:43] <Ng> synd: it should have printed the filenames as it extracted then, they will be relative to the directory you were in when you ran that command
[08:43] <Persian> hello, I just bought a netgear wpn111 usb network adapter, can anyone please help me get it to work with my ubuntu?
[08:47] <Razor-X> hmmmm
[08:47] <Razor-X> btdownloadcurses is being a bitch
[08:47] <Razor-X> but, Azureus is being equally bitchy
[08:47] <Ng> Persian: a quick google suggests it's unfortunately not supported by linux
[08:48] <bumperland> help I'm getting this error ??
[08:48] <Razor-X> bumperland: shoot
[08:48] <bumperland>   Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be instal
[08:48] <Razor-X> but, if it's long, put it in pastebin
[08:48] <Razor-X> bumperland: .............
[08:48] <Razor-X> are you using apt-get?
[08:48] <bumperland> yep
[08:49] <Razor-X> hmmmm
[08:49] <Razor-X> what package?
[08:49] <CountDown> Anyone successfully using Ogre3D via the Debian unstable packages?
[08:49] <Persian> anyone know how to set up a wireless network in ubuntu?
[08:49] <bumperland> a bunch ... mplayer for one
[08:50] <karljp> doh. grip excised all my non ascii chars from my directory names
[08:50] <karljp> not helpful
[08:50] <HappyFool> Persian: as Ng said earlier, it looks like your particular hardware may not be supported
[08:50] <Razor-X> bumperland: are you using hoary?
[08:50] <Persian> HappyFool, ouch
[08:50] <HappyFool> Persian: e.g., see here: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/List
[08:50] <bumperland> yep
[08:50] <Razor-X> hmmm.....
[08:50] <Ng> Persian: if you just bought it you might be able to return it for another model?
[08:50] <HappyFool> Persian: scroll right to the bottom
[08:50] <Razor-X> then, all I can suggest is a reinstall, then
[08:51] <Razor-X> or, apt-get the libc package
[08:51] <Ng> Persian: consult the list HappyFool just pasted and other linux hardware compatibility lists google turns up before you buy :)
[08:51] <HappyFool> bumperland: where are you getting mplayer from? have you added backports / marillat/ something else?
[08:51] <Razor-X> why isn't btdownloadcruses working!
[08:51] <bumperland> yes
[08:51] <Razor-X> HappyFool: I don't think that does anything
[08:51] <fateisajester> does anyone know where i can get ahold of the aol client software for linux
[08:51] <Razor-X> bumperland: wait, did you try this with the basic repos?
[08:52] <anmar> Wanting to buy an HP DV1000 series laptop with Broadcom wireless card. Need to know NDIS wrappers are stable enough to be a solid alternative and does it support Suspend to disk / RAM ?
[08:52] <bumperland> what ???
[08:52] <eric_> how do i test if i have 3D acceleration?
[08:52] <Razor-X> bumperland: when did this error start?
[08:52] <fateisajester> eric_ glxgears
[08:52] <Ng> eric_: which graphics card do you have?
[08:53] <Razor-X> bumperland: was this the first apt-get you did?
[08:53] <bumperland> recently .. installed mplayer
[08:53] <eric_> ok, will try, i've got a ATI Rdeon9600
[08:53] <bumperland> no
[08:53] <Razor-X> did you change your sources.list previous to the start of the error?
[08:53] <eric_> what am i looking for with glxgears
[08:53] <bumperland> yes
[08:53] <Davey> eric_: the framework, shown in the console
[08:53] <HappyFool> eric_: relatively high frame per second
[08:53] <Davey> framerate
[08:53] <Davey> eric_: I get 3500fps at its default size with a 9600 XT (256MB RAM)
[08:54] <Persian> HappyFool, yepp you're right
[08:54] <Persian> must come a driver sometime soon tho
[08:54] <Davey> between 1600 and 3500fps :)
[08:54] <Ng> eric_: /var/log/Xorg.0.log should (quite a way down) have output from the ati drivers, which ought to indicate if it is using acceleration, if the fps isn't a clear indication
[08:54] <thenuke> does ubuntu support fat32 out of the box?
[08:54] <Razor-X> bumperland: did you have successful rus with the new sources.list before the error started appearing?
[08:54] <eric_> ok, ive got a picture of moving gears, how do i get the framerate, (yes, i am a newbie)
[08:55] <Razor-X> thenuke: yes
[08:55] <mjr> thenuke, yes
[08:55] <marsh> HappyFool, sorry - got abit tied up there... i tried libid3 - but it's a library & i dont know how to use them, i also tried kid3 - which incidently wont apt-get, eyeD3 - same length prob, id3tool - same prob
[08:55] <bumperland> yes
[08:55] <Blissex> eric_: the frame rate is printed out on the terkinal you stasrted the program from
[08:55] <fateisajester> does anyone know where i can get ahold of the aol client software for linux
[08:55] <crimsun> marsh: what are you trying to do?
[08:55] <mjr> eric_, really the more straightforward way to check is if direct rendering is enabled in glxinfo
[08:55] <crimsun> fateisajester: from aol's web site
[08:55] <Razor-X> fateisajester: hold on while I look up the source for peng-aol
[08:55] <raptoid> asdasdads
[08:55] <marsh> but maybe I cant see the woods for the trees & i'm doing something stupid... the most frustrating bit is getting the software back off once it's on.
[08:55] <crimsun> fateisajester: or just use gaim/kopete/naim/btlbee
[08:55] <Razor-X> errr, not peng, rather, something else
[08:56] <fateisajester> no im talking about the america online client software
[08:56] <Razor-X> wait, AOL dialer?
[08:56] <fateisajester> like connectivity software
[08:56] <Razor-X> yeah yeah, hold on
[08:56] <eric_> i get this:  X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
[08:56] <eric_> root@ubuntu:/home/eric # glxgears
[08:56] <eric_> 1707 frames in 5.0 seconds = 341.400 FPS
[08:56] <eric_> 4920 frames in 5.0 seconds = 984.000 FPS
[08:56] <eric_> 4920 frames in 5.0 seconds = 984.000 FPS
[08:56] <eric_> 5040 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.000 FPS
[08:56] <fateisajester> i have cable modem
[08:56] <eric_> 4920 frames in 5.0 seconds = 984.000 FPS
[08:56] <eric_> 5040 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.000 FPS
[08:56] <eric_> 4920 frames in 5.0 seconds = 984.000 FPS
[08:56] <Davey> its enabled ;)
[08:56] <crimsun> eric_: please use #flood instead
[08:56] <eric_> 4906 frames in 5.0 seconds = 981.200 FPS
[08:56] <Razor-X> enic_: stop that!
[08:56] <eric_> 5040 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.000 FPS
[08:56] <Davey> you can stop now
[08:56] <eric_> 4920 frames in 5.0 seconds = 984.000 FPS
[08:56] <eric_> 5040 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.000 FPS
[08:56] <Razor-X> enic_: use pastebin
[08:56] <eric_> 4920 frames in 5.0 seconds = 984.000 FPS
[08:56] <eric_> 4920 frames in 5.0 seconds = 984.000 FPS
[08:56] <eric_> 1080 frames in 5.0 seconds = 216.000 FPS
[08:56] <eric_> 840 frames in 5.0 seconds = 168.000 FPS
[08:56] <HappyFool> marsh: apt-get remove erases software -- and i'm sure you can use synaptic to remove it
[08:56] <eric_> 720 frames in 5.0 seconds = 144.000 FPS
[08:56] <HappyFool> goodness me
[08:56] <eric_> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
[08:56] <eric_> root@ubuntu:/home/eric # glxinfo
[08:56] <eric_> name of display: :0.0
[08:56] <marsh> crimsun, trying to get the id3tag for mp3's so I can rename everything & reposition everything into a nice tidy tree of music files, depending on the tags
[08:56] <eric_> display: :0  screen: 0
[08:56] <eric_> direct rendering: No
[08:56] <r0bby> pastebin
[08:56] <eric_> server glx vendor string: SGI
[08:56] <r0bby> MAKE IT YOUR FRIEND
[08:56] <eric_> server glx version string: 1.2
[08:56] <eric_> server glx extensions:
[08:57] <r0bby> paste bin
[08:57] <eric_>     GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating,
[08:57] <Shuddertrix> kick!
[08:57] <eric_>     GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_OML_swap_method, GLX_SGI_make_current_read,
[08:57] <r0bby> pastebin.com
[08:57] <eric_>     GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig
[08:57] <r0bby> pastebin.com
[08:57] <r0bby> pastebin.com
[08:57] <eric_> client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[08:57] <Rockett17> bloody hell
[08:57] <eric_> client glx version string: 1.3
[08:57] <eric_> client glx extensions:
[08:57] <Ng> shoosh
[08:57] <eric_>     GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_visual_info,
[08:57] <eric_>     GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_SGI_video_sync,
[08:57] <Ng> his paste is unstoppable now ;)
[08:57] <fateisajester> PASTBIN.COM
[08:57] <HappyFool> hehe
[08:57] <marsh> HappyFool, yeah, but it doesn't remove the dependencies it installed.... would I have to write a script to do that?
[08:57] <fateisajester>   /KICK HIM
[08:57] <crimsun> eric_: use #flood for floods.
[08:57] <kengur> lol
[08:57] <toptnc> hi all
[08:57] <k4rp0r> hi
[08:57] <HappyFool> marsh: um. dunno.
[08:58] <toptnc> anyone knows a way to have opengl 1.3 in hoary?
[08:58] <fateisajester> http://news.com.com/AOLs+Linux+software+leaks+onto+Web/2100-1023_3-244438.html
[08:58] <justin> marsh: stop using apt-get. use aptitude.
[08:58] <notdenizen> is us.archive.ubuntu.com down ?
[08:58] <toptnc> i haven't nvidia or fglrx compatible card
[08:58] <crimsun> toptnc: mesa is included
[08:58] <marsh> HappyFool, trying to not have lots of 'bits and peices' on my nice fresh install...
[08:58] <marsh> justin aptitude?
[08:58] <toptnc> crimsun: yes, mesa include opengl, but is opengl 1.2
[09:00] <HappyFool> is there any reason *not* to use aptitude? should we always recommend it over apt-get ?
[09:00] <cerebellum> hey
[09:00] <crimsun> HappyFool: it doesn't have the functionality of "build-dep" or "source" yet
[09:00] <cerebellum> i have problem when i try to configure xmms
[09:00] <Razor-X> fateisajester: here you are
[09:00] <cerebellum> somebody can help me
[09:00] <Razor-X> fateisajester: www.linspire.com/dialersource
[09:00] <crimsun> HappyFool: but essentially, there's no reason to suggest apt-get over aptitude
[09:00] <cerebellum> i get the error
[09:00] <cerebellum> When I try to configure XMMS, I get the error:
[09:00] <cerebellum> checking for glib-config... no
[09:00] <cerebellum> checking for GLIB - version >= 1.2.2... no
[09:00] <cerebellum> *** The glib-config script installed by GLIB could not be found
[09:00] <cerebellum> *** If GLIB was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
[09:00] <cerebellum> *** your path, or set the GLIB_CONFIG environment variable to the
[09:00] <Razor-X> compile the source code of that
[09:00] <cerebellum> *** full path to glib-config.
[09:01] <cerebellum> configure: error: *** GLIB >= 1.2.2 not installed - please install first ***
[09:01] <fateisajester> thx
[09:01] <Razor-X> -__
[09:01] <crimsun> cerebellum: please use #flood for floods
[09:01] <Razor-X> *-_-
[09:01] <HappyFool> crimsun: right, ta
[09:01] <demantik> New Ati Drivers, few days ago - anybody checked out that automated .run installer thing?
[09:02] <demantik> 36mb...hmm..one would hope that works perfectly being so big compared to the normal 8mb haha.
[09:02] <bumperland> Razor-X ... any ideas
[09:03] <Razor-X> bumperland: hmmm
[09:03] <EvanCarroll> I make my own radeon drivers they function better than ATI's just type 'dd if=/dev/urandom of=fglrx.ko count=15 bs=1MB'
[09:03] <Razor-X> bumperland: revert back to the old sources.list
[09:03] <demantik> EvanCarroll...huh?
[09:03] <bumperland> will try
[09:04] <crimsun> EvanCarroll: may as well do that for nvidia.ko, too
[09:04] <HappyFool> cerebellum: at a guess you need some sort of development package. maybe libglib1.2-dev (that's a guess though...)
[09:04] <EvanCarroll> hrm i'm pretty happy with nvidia drivers they work
[09:04] <dabishop> has anyone had luck installing Hoary on an iMac G5?
[09:04] <demantik> EvanCarroll - ure not serious right?
[09:04] <Razor-X> ugghhhh... my sister pooped
[09:04] <Razor-X> and my mom's out -_-
[09:04] <HappyFool> i don't think ubuntu has a package for that ;)
[09:04] <Razor-X> and she insists on sitting in my lap
[09:05] <EvanCarroll> demantik: about what nvidia drivers?
[09:05] <demantik> no, about the radeon comment lol
[09:05] <Razor-X> HappyFool: apt-get sister-cleaner <- future of apt-get
[09:05] <demantik> EvanCarroll...im no expert, but that doesnt look right.
[09:05] <Xappe> Razor-X: sudo apt-change diper
[09:05] <EvanCarroll> demantik: no I'm being serious why download a random set of bytes from ATI that doesn't work when you can generate your own in half the time
[09:06] <Razor-X> Xappe: ;)
[09:06] <demantik> So, that command does what exactly?
[09:06] <EvanCarroll> demantik: try it
[09:07] <fonsken> which version of the kernel is available in ubuntu right now?
[09:07] <demantik> uh...ok..it made a .ko file
[09:07] <hellraiser_rob> evening all
[09:08] <demantik> fglrx.ko...hmm..now what.
[09:08] <etnekor> demantik: It's just a joke.
[09:08] <Razor-X> good thing I have cplay
[09:08] <HappyFool> fonsken: 2.6.10 is hoary
[09:08] <demantik> thanks...
[09:08] <demantik> :|
[09:08] <fonsken> thx HappyFool
[09:08] <Razor-X> now my sister's listening to "Ready Steady Go" ;)
[09:08] <hellraiser_rob> anyone got realplayer working correctly?
[09:08] <etnekor> dematik: It fills with random data this file.
[09:09] <demantik> as thought
[09:09] <demantik> etnekor - yeah...looked as it did..but i did it anyway...not sure why
[09:09] <demantik> haa
[09:09] <etnekor> :)
[09:09] <demantik> So has anybody tried the new ATI .run ?
[09:10] <EvanCarroll> demantik: now just move that into your modules directory
[09:10] <Azmodan> I want to share 300 mb of pictures with people who were traveling with me.  What's the easiest way to do it ?
[09:10] <EvanCarroll> and you successfully made a non-functioning fglrx driver
[09:10] <demantik> EvanCarroll - fuck off
[09:10] <EvanCarroll> I saved you alot of time
[09:10] <r0bby> somebody for the love of god put something about pastebin in the topic
[09:10] <HappyFool> r0bby: you seem to be under the illusion that people read the topic
[09:11] <demantik> EvanCarrol - saving time?...why are you so anti-ati
[09:11] <r0bby> cerebellum, that tells you what you need to know
[09:11] <r0bby> install glib
[09:11] <marsh> back again - am i correct in assuming that there is no way to do the equivelent of an 'apt-cache search' in aptitude? it only seems to search the selected package text... that right?
[09:11] <r0bby> read it over again
[09:12] <EvanCarroll> demantik: because ati drivers rarely work with binary kernels, almost never work with custom kernels, and using the term work at all in that context is probably misleading
[09:12] <HappyFool> marsh: apt-cache is what you use for searching. use aptitude for installing/removing
[09:12] <demantik> EvanCarroll - ive never had too much problems
[09:12] <Rockett17> neither have I
[09:13] <EvanCarroll> demantik: then stay with ATI just become good friends with the patch hackers at firegl
[09:13] <Howitzer> I really am starting to love Linux
[09:13] <demantik> EvanCarroll - what ? lol....i dont know what you're doing wrong, but it doesnt concern me..
[09:14] <Howitzer> i barely miss Windows
[09:14] <Howitzer> i would like to be able to play more games though :(
[09:14] <Thorrn4> hello! Recently not computer has been running slow...I was told that it was due to the kernel, how do I reload a new kernel?
[09:14] <Rockett17> I work with Windows all day at work.. so going home to Linux is a breath of fresh air
[09:14] <Thorrn4> Howitzer, more games would be nice
[09:14] <Howitzer> indeed
[09:15] <Howitzer> lol Rockett17
[09:15] <Howitzer> +
[09:15] <HappyFool> marsh: fwiw i've just used id3v2 to list an mp3 with an album title of more than 15 chars ('sleeping with ghosts')
[09:15] <Howitzer> if i would be able to get this sound running.................. :/
[09:15] <HappyFool> marsh: it seems to be pretty straightforward
[09:15] <smoky_> ok, i try it again:
[09:15] <Thorrn4> does anyone know how 2 reload a linux kernel?
[09:16] <hardcampa-1> Throrrn4 reboot
[09:16] <HappyFool> Thorrn4: in what way is your computer slow?
[09:16] <smoky_> is here anyone with a good knowledge of hardware-calls (acpi, bios, ...)
[09:16] <smoky_> from linux
[09:17] <xoz> Thorrn4: modprobe ?
[09:17] <nilisco> Apt-get update freezes on us.archive.ubuntu.com.  Any ideas?
[09:17] <marsh> HappyFool, Ahhh.. ok....
[09:17] <Thorrn4> it takes for every ever to load the GRUB and applications and DE's load a long time to load HappyFool; I used the command TOP, but there should be no point for it to be...so someone told me it might be the kernel
[09:18] <Thorrn4> what is that xoz?
[09:18] <smoky_> anyone here with an acer travelmate?
[09:18] <HappyFool> what's a DE ?
[09:18] <searcher`> haha
[09:18] <searcher`> this is awsome
[09:18] <searcher`> the Dutch are nuts
[09:18] <hondje> Yes indeed
[09:19] <searcher`> their putting up a threat level assesment
[09:19] <HappyFool> Thorrn4: anyway, changing the kernel won't change grub (unless you mean something other than what i think)
[09:19] <Thorrn4> KDE, gnome
[09:19] <searcher`> woops
[09:19] <searcher`> just noticed
[09:19] <Thorrn4> desktop enviroment
[09:19] <searcher`> wrong window
[09:19] <searcher`> sorry bout that
[09:19] <hondje> What platform is this on, Thorrn4 ?
[09:22] <Razor-X> hmmm, who uses btdownloadcurses here?
[09:22] <HappyFool> Thorrn4: you can fairly easily change the kernel with apt-get (apt-get install linux-686 for .. err, pentium iv, i think, linux-k7 for amd athlon/duron)
[09:22] <HappyFool> Thorrn4: but i doubt you'll see a dramatic change.
[09:23] <Razor-X> I am going to slap someone -_-
[09:23] <hondje> you can also do stuff like set up /etc/hdparm.conf, things like that
[09:24] <HappyFool> and if you're still unhappy switch to a lightweight window manager. i'm sure someone here can recommend one ;)
[09:24] <Razor-X> HappyFool: enlightenment
[09:24] <hondje> XFce is feature rich and light at the same time
[09:24] <heow> anyone having issues connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[09:24] <xoz> openbox
[09:24] <heavy> is us.archive.ubuntu.com down? getting a bunch of errors when apt-get update'ing
[09:24] <heow> timeout
[09:24] <EvanCarroll> HappyFool: twm
[09:24] <heavy> heow: i guess we're not alone
[09:24] <HappyFool> twm and ed are all anyone needs
[09:25] <Razor-X> HappyFool: psshhh, twm is shit
[09:25] <heow> cool, i'll chill.
[09:25] <Razor-X> I prefer ratpoison if you want to go real real light
[09:25] <EvanCarroll> twm is fucking good
[09:25] <hondje> Razor-X: That's because you never tried twm-gl
[09:25] <EvanCarroll> ratpoison sucks
[09:25] <Razor-X> twm has nothing on ratpoison
[09:25] <hondje> twm w/ openGL goodness.
[09:25] <Thorrn4> thx HappyFool, Im d/l it now
[09:25] <EvanCarroll> rapoison is for people to stupid to configure XFCE
[09:26] <Razor-X> EvanCarroll: do you know what Ratpoison is?
[09:26] <HappyFool> Thorrn4: let us know if it makes a difference
[09:26] <EvanCarroll> Razor-X: yes
[09:26] <Thorrn4> ok
[09:26] <Razor-X> RatPoison has nothing to do with XFce
[09:26] <Razor-X> it's based on GNU Screen, it kicks ass
[09:26] <EvanCarroll> Razor-X: it is a lightweight window manager that does frames in a very shitty fashion
[09:26] <Razor-X> EvanCarroll: frames?
[09:26] <Razor-X> frames are internet objects
[09:27] <HappyFool> c'mon, we don't need religious arguments here
[09:27] <EvanCarroll> Razor-X: it really has no connection to screen. the keys are very different it is much more an emacs window manager
[09:27] <Razor-X> well, yeah, it has emacs controls (my main detractor to it, but nothing much)
[09:27] <EvanCarroll> Razor-X:  you stupid fuck frames are what ratpoison is based on rtfm or download it
[09:27] <Razor-X> I will ;)
[09:27] <EvanCarroll> Razor-X: you start out mono frame, you split verticle or horizontal to get two frames, you can have multiple windows maximized in each frame
[09:28] <EvanCarroll> but simple operations like resizing a frame to 800x600 aren't possible
[09:28] <Razor-X> well, you said it can't 'handle frames correctly'
[09:28] <xoz> ubotu: start a wm war
[09:28] <ubotu> xoz: Wish i knew
[09:28] <Razor-X> how's that possible if frames is an intrinsic construct of ratpoison?
[09:28] <EvanCarroll> no i didn't say that so don't quote it
[09:28] <HappyFool> xoz: yeah, i'm sorry already
[09:29] <EvanCarroll> i said it does frames in a very shitty fashion
[09:29] <xoz> ubotu: what are you?
[09:29] <ubotu> xoz: what are you talking about?
 Razor-X: it is a lightweight window manager that does frames in a very
[09:29] <Razor-X>               shitty fashion
 Razor-X: it is a lightweight window manager that does frames in a very
[09:29] <Razor-X>               shitty fashion
[09:29] <Razor-X> excuse my paraphrasing
[09:29] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:29] <EvanCarroll> Your a complete fucking idiot, doing frames in a shitty fashion is completly different 'not handeling frames correctly'
[09:30] <EvanCarroll> I said the former you said the latter
[09:30] <Razor-X> what's the difference?
[09:30] <heow> looks like us.archive is moving forward.  returning 404s now rather than a timeout
[09:30] <Razor-X> the page renders shity, the page isn't rendered correctly
[09:31] <Razor-X> *gasp* the grammatical difference!
[09:31] <EvanCarroll> Razor-X: the fashionon which frames are implimented ratpoison much as described on there sight is not made for those who like config files, it is made so you do all of the actions on the fly, the fashion in which you create frames is obsecure and the commands are convoluted
[09:31] <EvanCarroll> site*
[09:31] <Razor-X> EvanCarroll: well, an overamount of config files on slower boxes just makes configuration a pain
[09:31] <EvanCarroll> but it does impliment a frame correctly, a frame is still a frame, just the interface sucks
[09:32] <Razor-X> I know, XFce kicks ass
[09:32] <Razor-X> but, if you want to go even lighter than XFce, I just can't stand TWM
[09:32] <EvanCarroll> Razor-X: What if you want to start each ratposion session with the screen split such that the top window 800x600 is firefox, the remaining area on the right is two eterms split hoizontally, and one underneath the 800x600 static frame that you use to run your other programms like gnuchess
[09:33] <EvanCarroll> in ratpoison that config takes like 30 lines
[09:33] <Razor-X> yeah, that's true
[09:33] <EvanCarroll> and it is silly and sucks
[09:33] <Razor-X> but, I still prefer it over TWM
[09:33] <EvanCarroll> i was joking about TWM
[09:33] <Razor-X> but, yeah, XFce and Enlightenment kick ass
[09:33] <EvanCarroll> no one uses twm
[09:33] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:33] <Razor-X> XFce on a gentoo box... mmmmmmm
[09:33] <hondje> I use twm
[09:33] <Razor-X> hondje: hahahahahahaha!!!!
[09:34] <hondje> on my network server, root is set to use twm. I figure that if I'm in X as root, everything better be hosed and only twm works
[09:34] <EvanCarroll> hondje: and i edit text files with sed
[09:34] <nobile> brb reboot
[09:34] <IIIEars> ckserv IDENTIFY 11anything
[09:34] <Razor-X> EvanCarroll: mmm, I prefer IRC with telnet ;)
[09:34] <randabis> blah
[09:34] <crimsun> just use netcat
[09:35] <thenuke> Razor-X: is not telnet a bit out dated?
[09:35] <heavy> apprently hondje lives in 1983
[09:35] <EvanCarroll> and gmacs previous next commands to resize frames, wtf were the ratpoison guys thinking to resize 4 frames you will get carpal tunnel 6 times over
[09:35] <Razor-X> hondje: you handle your own PINGs and PONGs?
[09:35] <hondje> I'm thinking so :)
[09:35] <thenuke> :) there really should not be any reasons not to use ssh instead of telnet+
[09:35] <thenuke> ?
[09:35] <hondje> With paddles
[09:35] <thenuke> :D
[09:35] <hondje> thenuke: yes, for talkers, muds and moos
[09:35] <Razor-X> well, if you have the paitence to do that, go ahead
[09:36] <Razor-X> *shrugs*
[09:36] <thenuke> hondje: what's moos :)
[09:36] <thenuke> multi oozers ongeon
[09:36] <HappyFool> MMORPG from way back when
[09:36] <Razor-X> and the fact that you can't stay more than 2 minutes of the physical machine
[09:36] <hondje> thenuke: kinda like muds, but more oriented towards conversation I guess
[09:36] <djm62> sod telnet, just lick the network cable and taste the chat ;)
[09:36] <hondje> mmm, tastes like burning
[09:36] <thenuke> hondje: ookey
[09:37] <IIIEars> nw pass - lol
[09:37] <sladen> phone cable is better.  Nothing compares to the thrill of -48V when it rings
[09:37] <Rockett17> telnet is highly insecure and unencrypted.. ssh is encrpyted
[09:37] <HappyFool> that's what they *want* you to think
[09:37] <EvanCarroll> Rockett17: sshv2 is encrypted
[09:38] <IIIEars> telnet? - "oldtimer" - grin
[09:38] <Rockett17> i'd never sit here telnetted over the internet to my machine
[09:38] <hondje> well, you can use telnet w/ ssl
[09:38] <djm62> MITM is always possible, and encryption is rarely the weak link in security
[09:38] <hondje> it's popular in corps
[09:38] <Rockett17> i'm always ssh'd :)
[09:38] <djm62> but ssh is muy cool, especially for X forwarding :)
[09:38] <bkinman> Heh. http isnt encrypted either yet you submit forms all over the place i would bet... Some people are just security nuts.
[09:39] <hondje> telnet w/ ssl has lower overhead, so its popular when you have 500+ users authenticating at once
[09:39] <djm62> hondje: what do you think of dropbear?
[09:39] <Ng> bkinman: https :)
[09:39] <hondje> djm62: I don't know dropbear
[09:39] <IIIEars> Hello Hondje
[09:39] <djm62> I run dropbear on my ipaq (it's a lightweight (presumably) ssh server)
[09:39] <hondje> Hey, IIIEars
[09:40] <djm62> I just apt-got it, don't know tons about it
[09:40] <bkinman> Ng, Yeah, https is not used though
[09:40] <Ng> djm62: ever run openssh on the ipaq? ;)
[09:40] <Trixsey> Hey!
[09:40] <TokenBad> I have a question on cedega and normal drivers for video
[09:40] <Turoq> then ask
[09:41] <Ng> bkinman: I manage to buy plenty of stuff online with https ;)
[09:41] <IIIEars> ubotu ubuntu
[09:41] <ubotu> IIIEars: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[09:41] <djm62> Ng: I did for a while...
[09:41] <IIIEars> ubotu guide
[09:41] <TokenBad> I have a the fx5700le 256meg video card..
[09:41] <ubotu> IIIEars: Are you smoking crack?
[09:41] <djm62> it's a few years old too....
[09:41] <TokenBad> and when I tried to use cedega
[09:41] <Ng> djm62: I always loved how speedy that wasn't ;)
[09:41] <Ng> djm62: I had a 3600 ;)
[09:41] <TokenBad> it ran MAJOR slow on just mvp 2005
[09:41] <IIIEars> ubotu EFF
[09:41] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, IIIEars
[09:41] <djm62> hah! 3835
[09:41] <TokenBad> should i install drivers from my drivers disk for the card?
[09:42] <Trixsey> I get this error when I install Valknut (DCGUI) Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[09:42] <IIIEars> ubotu amenesia is what you have
[09:42] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[09:42] <TokenBad> even on a nix systems?
[09:42] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: ubotu's database is corrupted, apparently
[09:42] <hondje> djm62: from what I understand, the problem with ssh is the actual authentication being computationally expensive, I don't know how much a lighter server would help, though that dropbear is getting bookmarked
[09:42] <djm62> but the 3835 was substantially better than my computer at the time, so I didn't notice the speed hit too much
[09:43] <HappyFool> TokenBad: have you installed the nvidia drivers ?
[09:43] <Trixsey> I get this error when I install Valknut (DCGUI) Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[09:43] <Trixsey> What can it be?
[09:43] <TokenBad> that is what was asking..and not even sure have nix drivers on the disk..
[09:43] <hondje> but all of that has nothing to do with me using telnet to talkers/muds.  It's no worse than playing quake or being on IRC w/out encryption ;-)
[09:43] <HappyFool> TokenBad: you don't need drivers from any disk, afaik (not sure about cedega)
[09:43] <Trixsey> Waht protocols do I need for p2p?
[09:43] <HappyFool> TokenBad: let me find the page on the wiki.. just a moment
[09:44] <Trixsey> Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. What can this be? Do I need any special protocols for p2p?
[09:44] <HappyFool> aargh
[09:44] <HappyFool> repeating questions does not lead to answers
[09:44] <Trixsey> my IRC client is removing strings of my message
[09:45] <djm62> why doesn't TLS get used more?
[09:45] <Trixsey> Wait, let me do it one last time :p
[09:45] <Trixsey> I get this error when I install Valknut (DCGUI) Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. What can this be? Do I need any special protocols for p2p?
[09:45] <Trixsey> Ah, works now ;D
[09:45] <HappyFool> TokenBad: see here for info on nvidia drivers: http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[09:45] <wazquis> anyone know a simple poker - texas hold'em game? just a single player with AI players to play against...
[09:45] <TokenBad> thanks HappyFool
[09:46] <Nightcr8w> greeting
[09:46] <delire> wazquis apt-cache search poker
[09:46] <Trixsey> wazquis, so many good free online clients.. why download an offline version?
[09:46] <wazquis> delire, found none i could use..
[09:46] <Trixsey> Try pokerstars
[09:47] <wazquis> Trixsey, well....i thought of that...just wanted to try it before playing against others :)
[09:47] <delire> wazquis don't play poker. i play 'go'.
[09:47] <Trixsey> delire, the japaneese chess like game?
[09:47] <wazquis> Trixsey, .com?
[09:47] <delire> Trixsey: yes
[09:47] <Phyrex> nah, nethack rules
[09:47] <Trixsey> delire, is it hard?
[09:47] <djm62> nethack DOES rule
[09:47] <delire> Trixsey: yes, but very rewarding.
[09:47] <delire> djm62: agreed
[09:47] <Trixsey> wazquis, yes... .com
[09:47] <resiak> Breezy isn't frozen, is it?
[09:47] <wazquis> Trixsey, only a windows client?
[09:48] <karljp> anyone know how to set up what gnome-volume-manager starts for "importing photos"
[09:48] <Trixsey> wazquis, I duno what they have
[09:48] <Trixsey> played it at a friends place
[09:48] <karljp> I don't want gthumb, I want a script of my own.
[09:48] <Trixsey> they wont have any source codes anyway
[09:48] <comfrey> hey all...
[09:48] <djm62> I introduced a friend to it 2 years ago, haven't seen her for about a year until this week...and she looked at the moon and said "finally I'll have better luck on nethack"
[09:48] <comfrey> i am having printing issues with cups...
[09:48] <hondje> karljp: system -> preferences -> removable drives and media preferences -> multimedia tab
[09:48] <Trixsey> oh, my friend is making a pokergame in java tho
[09:48] <delire> karljp: use ImageMagick's 'display' with python or similar.
[09:48] <Trixsey> maybe you could bother him some
[09:48] <Nightcr8w> dumb newbie question...what is Breezy
[09:48] <comfrey> after a recent upgrade...
[09:48] <Trixsey> distro?
[09:48] <Trixsey> Nightcr8w, its a distro?
[09:48] <HappyFool> Nightcr8w: next release of ubuntu
[09:49] <Xyc0> Nightcr8w: nee version of Ubuntu, still in dev
[09:49] <comfrey> status 1 error
[09:49] <HappyFool> Nightcr8w: see the topic ;)
[09:49] <Nightcr8w> thanks
[09:49] <djm62> dumb but seasoned question...how hairy is breezy at the moment?  is it worth a shot for a look at beagle et al?
[09:49] <IIIEars> "Breezy Badger" is the next ubuntu/kubuntu version,
[09:49] <delire> anyone here involved in the ubuntu+google+python "Summer of Code"?
[09:49] <Trixsey> Whats the actual diffrance between Hoary and Breezer?
[09:49] <IIIEars> Even more refined and secure.
[09:49] <Trixsey> IIIEars, only the security thats been worked on?
[09:49] <Xyc0> delire: in a very small party yea, why?
[09:50] <Xyc0> part*
[09:50] <Trixsey> They still using GNOME?
[09:50] <Trixsey> I dont like GNOME
[09:50] <HappyFool> updated software. and currently only one works, if the topic is to be believed
[09:50] <delire> Xyc0: what are you working on?
[09:50] <hellraiser_rob> ho guys can anyone give me a hand with ati graphics drivers?
[09:50] <Trixsey> Yet im using GNOME
[09:50] <Trixsey> lol
[09:50] <HappyFool> Trixsey: tried kubuntu?
[09:50] <Xyc0> delire: New code for xmms
[09:50] <Trixsey> HappyFool, no.
[09:50] <delire> Trixsey: let's hope Breezy has better default icons than the current iteration..
[09:50] <delire> Xyc0: ok cool.
[09:50] <Trixsey> delire, lol yeah.. I changed mine already tho
[09:50] <hondje> yeah, I'll second that
[09:50] <Xyc0> um... icons can be changed
[09:50] <HappyFool> hellraiser_rob: ask specific questions, maybe someone can assist (not me, i have nvidia)
[09:51] <delire> Trixsey: everyone does
[09:51] <Trixsey> tho GNOME is fucking with me very often
[09:51] <Trixsey> I'm having theese wierd bugs
[09:51] <Xyc0> why demand something that is changed as easy as underware?
[09:51] <synd> hey im getting this error : checking for LIBGCRYPT - version >= 1.2.0... no
[09:51] <synd> configure: error: libgcrypt 1.2.0 or newer is required.
[09:51] <Trixsey> Xyc0, because its easy of them to change it for us :D
[09:51] <hellraiser_rob> i'm getting very poor fps, enemy territory won't run
[09:51] <delire> Xyc0: .. and everyone does.. that's the point.
[09:51] <synd> i cant figure out which libgcrypt i need
[09:51] <hellraiser_rob> what am i doing wrong, very frustrating
[09:51] <karljp> delire, why would I want "imagemagicks display with python or similar" to run?  I have a script of my own that does exactly what I wanted.
[09:51] <Trixsey> Easier of one dude changes the default... instead of having 15,000 dudes doing it
[09:52] <Xyc0> why don't you ask for something useful, like a menu editor that comes with gnome
[09:52] <Trixsey> one dude making diapers so 15,000 dudes wont have to shit themselves (and change underwear)
[09:52] <delire> karljp: if you have something that works then good.
[09:52] <hondje> wouldn't that be something you'd ask the gnome guys for, Xyc0 ?
[09:52] <IIIEars> All i could find on the wiki for Breezy Badger was that it's promised release will be in October.
[09:52] <Xyc0> Na, I'd just end up useing smeg anyways
[09:52] <randabis> I wish I could get my hands on that ubuntu add-on cd :/
[09:52] <Trixsey> Would I be able to upgrade from hoary?
[09:52] <HappyFool> hellraiser_rob: perhaps the driver hasn't actually been loaded? how many fps do you get with glxgears ? And have you checked the X log ? (/var/log/Xorg<seomthing>)
[09:52] <delire> Xyc0: lots of people see Ubuntu and comment on how distasteful the icons are. such things matter. not to me, i don't use icons at all.
[09:53] <hellraiser_rob> i get around 200fps, rubbish
[09:53] <djm62> Xyc0: what would be the politics of ubuntu writing a menu editor, if gnome didn't accept it?
[09:53] <hellraiser_rob> checking log now
[09:53] <imnes> Something wrong with the ubuntu archives?  I'm having all sorts of problems connecting with apt-get
[09:53] <Trixsey> imnes, yeah
[09:53] <Trixsey> I think they are partialy down
[09:53] <Seveas> imnes, paste the errors on a pastebin please...
[09:53] <Xyc0> I understand practicality is much needed in linux, but ICONS? Come on thats the least of our problems
[09:53] <Trixsey> I cant get in either :p
[09:53] <djm62> what icons are tasteless?  I just have one huge svg world icon with "Web Browser" underneath
[09:53] <Trixsey> imnes, I'm having trouble connecting atm too.. I thin
[09:53] <decaf> backport.mirrormax is down
[09:54] <hondje> I have a nice long list of things to fix, but most cant' really be pinned on the distro
[09:54] <Trixsey> I think it might be maintenance or something
[09:54] <Seveas> heh backports
[09:54] <IIIEars> ubuntupastebin.com or pastebin.com even #flood on freenode
[09:54] <Seveas> backports are evil
[09:54] <hellraiser_rob> what am i looking for in the log file?
[09:54] <Trixsey> Anyone here good with file transfer protocols and stuff? (not FTP this time, just the actual protocols)
[09:54] <hondje> firefox performance needs fixed, this is terrible to use as it is
[09:55] <HappyFool> hellraiser_rob: at a guess the string fragment 'ati' ? (not sure)
[09:55] <Seveas> Trixsey, probably, but you'll get more help if you just ask a question.
[09:55] <karljp> delire: yes, I do.  that's why I mentioned that in my initial query.  Hence my curiosity as to what on earth you were suggesting.  Perhaps reading entire sentences?
[09:55] <Xyc0> hondje: What are you having problems with?
[09:55] <imnes> http://pastebin.com/298534
[09:55] <imnes> I made some changes to my sources.list to try and put some mirrors in there manually but changed back . (Hopefully changed them all back)
[09:55] <hondje> Xyc0: incredibly slow to load pages, and when it's loading it goes max on the cpu, the window frame is drawn, but nothing in the window is shown
[09:55] <imnes> Anyway that's what I get.
[09:55] <Trixsey> Seveas, Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. What can this be? Do I need any special protocols for p2p?
[09:55] <randabis> hondje: the one in backports seems to run ok
[09:56] <Seveas> imnes, use archive.ubuntu.com instead of us.archive.ubuntu.com
[09:56] <hellraiser_rob> its mentioned, but not with any obvious errors
[09:56] <Seveas> the us server is b0rking
[09:56] <IIIEars> ubotu flood is http://ubuntu.pastebin.com or http://pastebin.com #flood
[09:56] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay
[09:56] <hondje> large pages kill it, like the apple-x86 thread on slashdot
[09:56] <imnes> k
[09:56] <Seveas> Trixsey, what are you trying to do?
[09:56] <Xyc0> hondje: You sure it isn't your video drivers.  Everything sped up 10x after i installed the ati driver
[09:56] <Nightcr8w> is Ubuntu taking over where Debian is lacking or failing at
[09:56] <hondje> Xyc0: I'm fairly sure, unless the renderaccel extension is causing problems
[09:56] <djm62> large image directories seem to make nautilus unhappy
[09:56] <Xyc0> Nightcr8w: yes, no
[09:57] <djm62> Nightcr8w: debian makes ubuntu possible
[09:57] <Trixsey> Seveas, start a DC++ (DCGUI client)
[09:57] <Trixsey> Sometimes its bugging on start.. sometimes its bugging on connect to hub
[09:57] <Trixsey> Whining about a missing protocll
[09:57] <Trixsey> protocol
[09:57] <Nightcr8w> ok..but debian seems to be slowing dying
[09:57] <Seveas> hmm, sorry, dunno about dc++
[09:57] <Xyc0> hondje: on my windows side firefox is sluggish, but on linux I got no problems at all
[09:57] <Trixsey> Valknut?
[09:57] <Nightcr8w> asking for help on the debian IRC channels totally sucks
[09:57] <hondje> Xyc0: I've had it run great on everything but ubuntu
[09:58] <marsh> Nightcr8w, why?
[09:58] <Nightcr8w> they all talk about other items other than debian issues
[09:58] <Nightcr8w> well...I havent seen much going on with Debian
[09:58] <Trixsey> Seveas, "For some reason I had to move all the QT environment variables to the BOTTOM of my /etc/profile"
[09:58] <Trixsey> I dont get what this dude means
[09:58] <imnes> That worked, thanks.
[09:58] <hondje> Xyc0: I can run it with ssh -X to a 800MHz P3 running sarge and it's more responsive then the pkg I have :-/
[09:58] <Xyc0> Nightcr8w: they just released a new version, what do you mean?
[09:58] <Trixsey> He wrote a short note in the forum... What environment vars?
[09:58] <Trixsey> I dont get it
[09:58] <thoreauputic> Nightcr8w: #debian has always been, shall we say, unusual ;)
[09:58] <marsh> ubuntu is 'going on with debian'
[09:58] <Trixsey> There are no env vars in that file
[09:58] <Trixsey> marsh, think so?
[09:58] <Nightcr8w> but I have seen a growth in other releases using debian...Knoppix and Ubuntu
[09:58] <Seveas> hmmz, did you install valknut from the repositories?
[09:59] <Xyc0> fuck this, GnomeBaker sucks ass
[09:59] <marsh> Trixsey, isn't it?
[09:59] <Xyc0> pardon the french
[09:59] <karljp> debian might be moving again.
[09:59] <Seveas> lol Xyc0 :)
[09:59] <karljp> they've finally released sarge
[09:59] <Trixsey> marsh, ubuntu is increasing in popularity
[09:59] <Trixsey> according to statistics :p
[09:59] <thoreauputic> Nightcr8w: Sarge was released a few days ago - that's a major step
[09:59] <djm62> Nightcr8w: debian is technically very strong
[09:59] <marsh> Xyco - yep - I'll go with that
[09:59] <hondje> Debian isn't dying at all
[09:59] <Seveas> thoreauputic, that's an understatement :)
[09:59] <Nightcr8w> yeah..but the apt application is broken
[09:59] <Xyc0> I have video files, exactly the size i need to put on a CD, keeps saying too fucking big
[09:59] <marsh> Trixsey, was that not my point?
[09:59] <Trixsey> Seveas, sorry I'm a Linux n00blar, whats "the reposatories"?
[09:59] <Seveas> it's more than a major step, it's reviving debian
[10:00] <Xyc0> back to nerolinux
[10:00] <marsh> and it's debian, yeah?
[10:00] <Nightcr8w> if you do an upgrade..you are screwed unless you first update the apt portion
[10:00] <djm62> Xyc0: what size is your hard drive?
[10:00] <Seveas> Trixsey, did you install valknut with apt-get install dcgui-qt?
[10:00] <IIIEars> Xyc0 - http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-32015.html XORG extras for a faster ATI card.
[10:00] <Xyc0> Nightcr8w: what do you mean
[10:00] <Trixsey> Seveas, no :(
[10:00] <Xyc0> djm62: Two 80 gigs
[10:00] <Seveas> Trixsey, figures...
[10:00] <djm62> Xyc0: not full then?
[10:00] <Nightcr8w> I had a debian server
[10:00] <Seveas> so you installed manually?
[10:00] <Trixsey> Seveas, I followed the manual
[10:00] <Nightcr8w> so I ran the dist-upgrade and it went ok
[10:00] <Seveas> Trixsey, which manual?
[10:00] <Trixsey> with ./configure, make and make install
[10:00] <Nightcr8w> until it came back up and kernel panic
[10:01] <marsh> Trixsey, its the places you get yr upgrades/updates/progs from... (if you use apt-get etc...)
[10:01] <Xyc0> djm62: lol not at all
[10:01] <Nightcr8w> tried to recover
[10:01] <misfit-toy> ok I am getting a boot fsck error about /dev/hda3 and I can't repair it, any ideas?
[10:01] <Nightcr8w> but nothing
[10:01] <karljp> hondje, thanks muchly.  I've got it working exactly how I want now.
[10:01] <Seveas> Trixsey, that is stupid, you do not need that
[10:01] <djm62> I deleted most of my stuff once before realising that the CD was fine, there just wasn't room to make the image
[10:01] <Nightcr8w> went online for help in the irc.debian.org
[10:01] <hondje> karljp: You're welcome
[10:01] <Trixsey> hmh
[10:01] <Nightcr8w> and boom..nothing
[10:01] <IIIEars> Where does nautilus store it's RAM Cache settings?
[10:01] <Trixsey> Seveas, then tell me how to install valknut with apt-get :)
[10:01] <Xyc0> IIIEars: What was that link?
[10:01] <Seveas> Trixsey, remove that instance of valknut from your system and install dcgui-qt from synaptic or with apt-get
[10:01] <Trixsey> I duno where to apt-get it
[10:01] <Seveas> Trixsey, it's in multiverse iirc
[10:01] <Nightcr8w> got kinda screwed...but it was a test box before it goes into production
[10:01] <djm62> Nightcr8w: yeah, it's a SNAFU and a half...
[10:01] <IIIEars> XORG additional options for ati
[10:01] <Trixsey> I cant find it in synpatic
[10:01] <misfit-toy> I am getting a boot fsck error about /dev/hda3 and I can't repair it, any ideas?
[10:02] <marsh> Trixsey, everythings automated if you type 'apt-get install package-name' it's all done for you - dependencies and all !!! :)
[10:02] <Seveas> Trixsey, have you enabled universe??
[10:02] <Seveas> Trixsey: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:02] <migastro> hi, i just installed ubuntu but i couldn't install Lilo or grub, how can i do it now from the LiveCD
[10:02] <Xyc0> IIIEars: anything useful, i got the driver running fine so far
[10:02] <migastro> or from the install cd in rescue mode
[10:02] <Xyc0> Just no Guild Wars yet
[10:02] <Nightcr8w> nevertheless...the original point is...is Ubuntu going to pick up the slack from debian
[10:02] <djm62> Nightcr8w: going into #debian is more trouble than reading interminable web fora and source files.  They count that as a feature, rather than a bug.
[10:02] <hondje> oh neat, that's a nice touch in synaptic, the easy repo-addding thing
[10:02] <hondje> newbies much love that
[10:02] <Seveas> migastro, boot from livecd, mount your disks, chroot into your install and run grub-install
[10:02] <Nightcr8w> this group seems to me more active in correcting problems or fixing them as soon as they can
[10:03] <hondje> Nightcr8w: What slack from debian?
[10:03] <migastro> thanks, Seveas
[10:03] <IIIEars> ubotu repositories is  "Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto"
[10:03] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[10:03] <Nightcr8w> hondje ??? explain
[10:03] <thoreauputic> Nightcr8w: I wouldn't judge the Debian community from the IRC channel ;)
[10:03] <HappyFool> uboto repositories
[10:03] <marsh> Trixsey, see    http://ubuntuguide.org/ for howto for repo's etc....
[10:03] <hondje> Nightcr8w: You said 'is Ubuntu going to pick up the slack from debian'
[10:03] <djm62> Nightcr8w: ubuntu can be seen as playing "fast'n'loose", whereas debian is monolithic, protean, and thorough
[10:03] <rg58sma2> hola
[10:04] <hondje> Nightcr8w: Debian isn't dead, or dying, or anything. They just don't focus on the desktop
[10:04] <Trixsey> Seveas, I just enable all of those?
[10:04] <Seveas> hondje, they have no focus for any specific platform
[10:04] <Nightcr8w> hondje: debian has always been slow to update anything and if there is a problem..it takes forever to get corrected in the next release
[10:04] <Seveas> Trixsey, enable universe
[10:04] <IIIEars> ubotu guide is "http://www.ubuntuguide.org/"
[10:04] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay
[10:04] <Nightcr8w> it seems that in this group..things seems to move quicker
[10:04] <Xyc0> Seveas: They are quite focused on the Kernel and server attributes
[10:04] <Nightcr8w> you are planning another release in october
[10:04] <djm62> Nightcr8w: think of ubuntu as being a lithe, entrepreneurial department of the IBM-style behemoth debian
[10:05] <thoreauputic> Nightcr8w: Debian and Ubuntu each need each other - and Debian is not dying at all
[10:05] <hondje> Nightcr8w: yeah, slow to make stable, but if you're an admin you want that...important things get fixed
[10:05] <jllitvay> installed ubuntu does not recognize my root password
[10:05] <marsh> Trixsey, http://ubuntuguide.org/ is still the best...
[10:05] <Seveas> Xyc0, well not really, they focus on stability and that's essential for a server :)
[10:05] <Trixsey> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/source/Sources.gz: 404 Not Found
[10:05] <Trixsey> :(
[10:05] <Nightcr8w> djm62: gotcha.. :-)
[10:05] <Seveas> marsh, not really...
[10:05] <Xyc0> jllitvay: you need to creat a root password
[10:05] <hondje> Seveas: They dont' really need to focus, that's what makes debian so kick-ass
[10:05] <Seveas> ubuntuguide contains some serious errors
[10:05] <Xyc0> jllitvay: type sudo before root commands
[10:05] <jllitvay> I installed via expert mode.
[10:05] <marsh> Seveas, why not?
[10:05] <Seveas> hondje, indeed
[10:05] <hondje> Ubuntu comes along and gets down with the desktop, while Bruce Perens gets his UL on
[10:05] <IIIEars> Debian is fine RedHat is evil - j/k
[10:06] <Nightcr8w> everyone:  thanks for your input and opinions
[10:06] <Seveas> IIIEars, it's true :)
[10:06] <thoreauputic> marsh: a couple of us spent an hour helping a guy fix his system after he copied a sourves list from ubuntuguide :/
[10:06] <jllitvay> in console it works, but via menu doesnot
[10:06] <anmar> Hello. Is NDIS Wrapper for the broadcom wireless chipset is considered a good alternative to Centrino
[10:06] <Xyc0> Fedora Core has its place, and its not on my Puter
[10:06] <marsh> Seveas, being...?
[10:06] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - ugh - what to do....
[10:07] <marsh> Seveas, but nothing else will give support for 'politically incorrect' stuff
[10:07] <marsh> will it?
[10:07] <hondje> And why is checkinstall so popular? :o
[10:07] <Trixsey> Seveas, ok done that now.. it whines some tho.. How do I change from the us fileserver to another?
[10:07] <Trixsey> in SPM
[10:07] <djm62> is there any equivalent to the mandrake website which generates suitable files?
[10:07] <marsh> Seveas, thoreauputic: does that mean it's probably best to remove their repos when yr not wanting something in them?
[10:07] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: he had a backports firefox that confused apt completely
[10:07] <Amaranth> hondje: easy way to manage your manually compiled things
[10:08] <thoreauputic> marsh: indeed
[10:08] <IIIEars> ubotu guide is also "Please use the wiki for an updated list of repositories"
[10:08] <ubotu> IIIEars: okay
[10:08] <IIIEars> !guide
[10:08] <ubotu> IIIEars: I don't know, could you explain it?
[10:08] <hondje> Amaranth: so you don't force deps on manually compiled things?
[10:08] <Amaranth> hondje: no, so you can remove manually compiled things
[10:08] <Trixsey> marsh, , ok done that now.. it whines some tho.. How do I change from the us fileserver to another?
[10:08] <Trixsey> in SPM
[10:08] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: the bot is sick - I think it's best to leave the poor thing alone until he gets some medication ;)
[10:09] <IIIEars> ubotu bedrest is what you need.
[10:09] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[10:09] <Seveas> Trixsey, you cannot do it in synaptic, but the following will do it:
[10:09] <hondje> Amaranth: ah, I never saw it work right for that :(
[10:09] <Amaranth> ubotu: bedrest
[10:09] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Amaranth
[10:09] <Amaranth> haha
[10:09] <Seveas> sudo sed -e 's/us.archive/archive/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:09] <IIIEars> lol
[10:09] <svmaris> What's up with Marillat's repo? I get MD5Sum mismatches on Packages.gz
[10:10] <Amaranth> svmaris: marillat is unsupported and known to break ubuntu installs
[10:10] <marsh> Trixsey, mine's gb by default & i just stick with that.... probably worth reading what these guys & I have been saying about ubuntuguide.org stuff :/...
[10:10] <Seveas> !bedrest
[10:10] <ubotu> Seveas: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:10] <Amaranth> shit, cafuego never got ubotu's DCC module setup
[10:10] <thoreauputic> ubotu is suffering from premature senility...
[10:10] <ubotu> No idea, thoreauputic
[10:10] <thoreauputic> haha
[10:10] <svmaris> Amaranth, so what's the 'correct' way off adding dvd/mp3-support to Ubuntu?
[10:10] <IIIEars> hm - noticed marillat no longer has some desireable codecs.
[10:11] <Amaranth> svmaris: *shrug*
[10:11] <Amaranth> isn't gstreamer-mad in universe?
[10:11] <hondje> IIIEars: in w32codecs?
[10:11] <IIIEars> svmaris gstreamer-mad and libdvdcss2
[10:12] <IIIEars> hondje - you'll have to check
[10:12] <svmaris> IIIEars, libdvdcss2 is not in the official repositories
[10:12] <hondje> hrm
[10:12] <svmaris> Amaranth, what's wrong?
[10:12] <Trixsey> Seveas, where did you say Valknut was in SPM?
[10:12] <djm62> so...is breezy particularly horrible at the moment?
[10:12] <bleck> Hey, anyone having problems with 404 not found while updates sources?
[10:12] <IIIEars> svarmis you'll if given a choice want i think woddy releases sarge is for a later ubuntu release.
[10:13] <Seveas> Trixsey, it's called dcgui-qt
[10:13] <Seveas> in universe
[10:13] <Seveas> bleck, the us.archive server is bugging
[10:13] <svmaris> djm62, at the moment, it is ... (I just updated)
[10:13] <bleck> ahhh, just making sure it wasn't me =)
[10:13] <bleck> does ubuntu come with an application to burn iso files?
[10:14] <djm62> svmaris: that isn't the ellipsis of doubt, I presume :(
[10:14] <Seveas> bleck, you can simply mount them
[10:14] <Seveas> bleck, or use gnomebaker / graveman
[10:14] <Seveas> k3b for kubuntu
[10:14] <djm62> bleck: in nautilus, right-click on an ISO
[10:14] <HappyFool> bleck: or right click on the iso and 'write to cd'
[10:14] <bleck> alright, thanks (its bin/cue) and i know k3b... can't get it though :P
[10:14] <pfp> bleck: or use k3b
[10:14] <Amaranth> things built for sarge will not run on hoary
[10:14] <djm62> bleck: as in, right click on the icon representing the ISO
[10:15] <hondje> Why don't more ppl use nautilus for burning? I never got that
[10:15] <bleck> djm62: does that work for bin/cue
[10:15] <svmaris> djm62, I get a lot of errors with 'find' on boot, because some order of parameters is not supported/deprecated/whatever
[10:15] <pfp> hmm, how does one use these bin+cue things under linux?
[10:15] <Dready> Belkin F5D6050 is indeed the hardest to configure wireless adapter known to linux
[10:15] <svmaris> djm62, but I just noticed that, so I'm trying to figure out what excactly is wrong
[10:15] <IIIEars> svarmis http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/ this will have the dvdcss2 codec
[10:15] <Amaranth> pfp: bchunk
[10:15] <bleck> pfp:k3b works fine... or bin2iso
[10:15] <djm62> svmaris: ah, I'd rather not worry about that sort of thing for the sake of CIL/beagle...I can wait for it to mature a bit
[10:15] <svmaris> IIIEars, I know about VLC, thanks
[10:15] <pfp> Amaranth: tried bchunk, but it produced just 600M or garbage :/
[10:16] <pfp> didn't know that k3b handles them too
[10:16] <Xyc0> hey, what codex package should i look for WMV support?
[10:17] <svmaris> djm62, ah ... beagle won't run on my Breezy, but then again, I don't use gnome
[10:17] <Seveas> w32codecs, or the codecs from mplayerhq.hu
[10:17] <djm62> bleck: I only do rip/mix/burn, I'm afraid I'm not familiar with anything beyond that terminology ;)
[10:17] <IIIEars> Xyco - hm - good question the only one i am familiar with is w32codecs. - there must be others.
[10:18] <svmaris> Amaranth, what kind of stuff in marillat breaks Ubuntu?
[10:18] <Xyc0> Seveas: This must be an odd file then, cause I have the w32 codex installed
[10:18] <djm62> svmaris: I've used it after a ton of compiling, and it is going to be wicked cool...but the point is that it's like magic, and spending half an hour a night exorcising my computer detracts from that ;)
[10:18] <Amaranth> svmaris: well, if you build the source packages it might not be that bad
[10:18] <seraphiel> is there file I can put commands in, in order to get that command to run every
[10:18] <seraphiel> time I boot
[10:18] <Amaranth> svmaris: but sarge and hoary don't even have the same libc
[10:19] <svmaris> djm62, I played with Beagle a while ago and it looked very nice .. .but most of my data is on a NFS-share, which it will not index :/
[10:19] <svmaris> Amaranth, I see ... thanks
[10:20] <HappyFool> seraphiel: yes
[10:21] <HappyFool> seraphiel: i think you can add them to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[10:21] <djm62> I guess breezy will still be months ahead of longhorn...I haven't found that hoary has dated at all, really
[10:21] <seraphiel> HappyFool, ok. will try. thanks
[10:21] <TokenBad> well so far..not been happy with cedega
[10:21] <TokenBad> heheh
[10:22] <thoreauputic> djm62: heh - it's only been released for 2 months after all
[10:22] <svmaris> Amaranth, but shouldn't the whole dependency-checking prevent me to install binary incompatible stuff?
[10:22] <Amaranth> svmaris: it probably would
[10:22] <Amaranth> svmaris: thus the build from source
[10:22] <djm62> 2 months without dist-upgrade?!?!?
[10:22] <Amaranth> svmaris: before you could install on hoary, it caused problems
[10:23] <katoc> hi there!... one question....
[10:23] <thoreauputic> djm62: well, there have been quite a few security updates
[10:23] <TokenBad> for some reason cedega not play pariah, mvp2005 is slow as hell and boiling point will not play on it either..
[10:23] <misfit-toy> is there a GUI for looking at services?
[10:23] <katoc> i could add packages to ubuntu installation cd??
[10:23] <svmaris> Amaranth, understood
[10:24] <misfit-toy> I am getting a boot fsck error about /dev/hda3 and I can't repair it, any ideas?
[10:24] <HappyFool> misfit-toy: not sure what you mean, but you could try sysv-rc-conf (for your services question)
[10:24] <djm62> misfit-toy: have you logged in as root to fsck it manually?
[10:24] <misfit-toy> HappyFool, thanks
[10:25] <djm62> oh...you don't have a root passwd, of course...
[10:25] <misfit-toy> djm62, the system auto boots to root in the instance of the error and I unmount the partition and fsck fails on it, bad superblock
[10:25] <katoc> sorry, someone has custom a installation CD?
[10:25] <marsh> this is pants - hours of searching and i still can't find an id3 tagger to put larger than 15-20 chars in an album tag!!?!   I'm sure that id3v2.4 should be expandable to whatever you want... isn't it?
[10:25] <HappyFool> marsh: id3v2 didn't do it?
[10:26] <djm62> misfit-toy: is it mountable?
[10:26] <marsh> id3lib was excellent on fc3... how come ubuntu refuse to use it?
[10:26] <marsh> HappyFool, i'll try...
[10:26] <Luakagon> Where is my c compiler!?!?
[10:26] <misfit-toy> djm62, hold on
[10:26] <djm62> misfit-toy: for that matter, what does /etc/fstab have in it?
[10:26] <djm62> errors=remount-readonly
[10:27] <misfit-toy> djm62, /dev/hda3     /home     ext3     defaults,user_xattr     1 2
[10:27] <thoreauputic> Luakagon:  sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:27] <marsh> HappyFool, sorry i a bit behind - it's starting to turmoil in my head
[10:27] <marsh> the demons are coming...
[10:27] <HappyFool> marsh: this works for me:     id3v2 -A 'some long title name is this' 01_bulletproof_cupid.mp3
[10:27] <Luakagon> okey
[10:27] <langerst> just installed ubuntu today-tried to install xmms through synaptic after uncommenting the "universe" section in my apt-get sources
[10:27] <langerst> no dice
[10:27] <langerst> any ideas?
[10:27] <marsh> >>>: (
[10:28] <HappyFool> marsh: no sweat ;) i know what it's like to struggle with computer problems
[10:28] <Luakagon> thanks you
[10:28] <misfit-toy> djm62, I don't even know why this partition is on this system, weird. and it says /home but I can get to /home no problem
[10:28] <djm62> misfit-toy: you can get to it, but it's empty, I think
[10:28] <misfit-toy> djm62, nope, I just installed tomboy off it
[10:28] <thoreauputic> langerst: either a syntax error in your list or you forgot to update
[10:29] <HappyFool> langerst: xmms is in main
[10:29] <marsh> HappyFool, YIPPPEEEEE!!!! :)))!!!
[10:29] <HappyFool> marsh: heh ;)
[10:29] <djm62> misfit-toy: what options did you give to fsck?
[10:29] <marsh> thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou....
[10:29] <marsh> bloody hell - that was work...
[10:29] <misfit-toy> djm62, I ran it with -p and also -b 8193
[10:29] <marsh> really couldn't see the wood for the trees there... Phew!!
[10:29] <langerst> hmm.  I know I updated, and I tried installing both before and after changes my sources file
[10:29] <Luakagon> hmm, how do I install glib now?
[10:29] <langerst> xmms dependencies downloaded but no xmms
[10:30] <marsh> HappyFool, thanks. ;)
[10:30] <HappyFool> marsh: np
[10:30] <Loki|muh> hi
[10:31] <HappyFool> langerst: could just be the site you're using -- apparently the us mirror is having problems (?)
[10:31] <thoreauputic> langerst: are you sure main isn't commented out or something? it's easy to miss the obvious
[10:31] <Loki|muh> gulpembe_ does autoquery on join!
[10:31] <thoreauputic> langerst: I had a similar issue, and discovered I'd made a mistake with my list
[10:31] <langerst> I'll have  look at my list now
[10:31] <djm62> misfit-toy: type 'mount' to check that it is actually mounted correctly
[10:32] <Razor-X> hondje said he uses TWM-GL
[10:32] <HappyFool> you can change the repositories from synaptic
[10:32] <Razor-X> but after learning that the designer was on LSD while he wrote this... I have my doubts on it's excellence ;)
[10:32] <Loki|muh> I want to compile php4-mysql on my own because of segfaults corresponding to another package not in ubuntu. how can I do this without compiling all php?
[10:32] <djm62> misfit-toy: then shift the data off it and format that partition...if the error won't go away it can start to eat files
[10:32] <misfit-toy> djm62, it's not mounted
[10:33] <misfit-toy> yet I can get to /home
[10:33] <misfit-toy> wow
[10:33] <misfit-toy> djm62, when I do  sudo mount /dev/hda3 /home
[10:33] <djm62> misfit-toy: /home is the location, but anything you see on /home at the moment is on  the / filesystem
[10:34] <misfit-toy> djm62, I get mount: special device /dev/hda3 does not exist
[10:34] <Loki|muh> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/documentation/faq/root in the topic is a dead link
[10:34] <misfit-toy> djm62, ok
[10:34] <misfit-toy> djm62, I didn't create that partition, does the ubuntu install do that?
[10:34] <thoreauputic> hrmph... 20 second lag
[10:34] <djm62> misfit-toy: ls -al /dev/hda3
[10:34] <HappyFool> also try sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[10:34] <Razor-X> anyone here use btdownloadcures?
[10:35] <misfit-toy> djm62, ls: /dev/hda3: No such file or directory
[10:35] <djm62> misfit-toy: ls -alh /dev/hda3
[10:35] <misfit-toy> djm62, same
[10:35] <Razor-X> I take that as a no?
[10:35] <djm62> misfit-toy: try what HappyFool said
[10:35] <misfit-toy> djm62, it's weird, this system acts completely normal but I rebooted today and got this fsck error.
[10:36] <HappyFool> Razor-X: not for a long while
[10:36] <djm62> misfit-toy: have you changed anything about it
[10:36] <misfit-toy> djm62, installed beagle and tomboy last night, went without errors
[10:36] <Razor-X> HappyFool: well, Azureus eats up all my CPU and hoses my machine, whereas btdownloadcurses can only acheive about 1.3 k/s
[10:36] <misfit-toy> djm62, you mean try this: $ sudo sysv-rc-conf?
[10:37] <langerst> thoreaup -any way I can send you the sources.list file ?  I am not seeing anything too weird.
[10:37] <misfit-toy> djm62, I thought that was in ref to my services question
[10:37] <djm62> misfit-toy: what, exactly, do you get if you type ls -al /home
[10:37] <Luakagon> Can't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build;  give the path to kernel sources with KSRC=<path> argument to make
[10:37] <HappyFool> Razor-X: sorry, i'm not a bittorrent guru. i did find downloading the hoary install iso was faster via http though ;) (this was the weekend of the release)
[10:37] <misfit-toy> djm62, i get a list of my folders in /home
[10:37] <djm62> misfit-toy: HappyFool: also try sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[10:37] <djm62> misfit-toy: what folders?
[10:37] <misfit-toy> my own
[10:37] <misfit-toy> that's the only one there
[10:37] <decaf> Luakagon: install linux-headers package for your kernel
[10:38] <djm62> misfit-toy: how did you edit /etc/fstab to make beagle work?
[10:38] <TokenBad> bah...cedega was a waste of time
[10:38] <misfit-toy> djm62, I haven't yet
[10:38] <crush> i'm may be getting an acer lappy. its an aspire 303wlci. anybody like acers?
[10:38] <HappyFool> langerst: paste it up at  http://rafb.net/paste/
[10:38] <hondje> TokenBad: $15 down the drain?
[10:38] <djm62> misfit-toy: I think a spurious line has crept into your /etc/fstab from somewhere
[10:38] <HappyFool> langerst: and paste the URL here
[10:38] <misfit-toy> djm62, good point
[10:38] <misfit-toy> djm62, I will comment it out and reboot
[10:39] <misfit-toy> djm62, thanks
[10:39] <HappyFool> no need to reboot
[10:39] <migAstro> hum, lwhen booting lilo says L 04 04 04.... and so, how can i fix it?
[10:39] <djm62> misfit-toy: hurry back...I want to see if it's right ;)
[10:39] <toran> hey guys, could someone make a debian package of kmuddy (http://kmuddy.net)?
[10:39] <TokenBad> hondje, the games I have tried so far not work on it..and the only game that does work..is way to fucking slow
[10:39] <misfit-toy> HappyFool, but I want to see if it throws that fsck error when I boot.
[10:39] <Razor-X> hondje: I have my reservations about TWM-GL after seeing the creator was on LSD when he wrote it ;)
[10:39] <misfit-toy> brb
[10:39] <toran> I've tried and tried and couldn't get it
[10:39] <HappyFool> hrm
[10:39] <hondje> TokenBad: it's pretty much only good for games on the official-supported list
[10:39] <djm62> HappyFool: easier to reboot....
[10:39] <hondje> Razor-X: hehe, but its' hilarious
[10:39] <HappyFool> first try that fdisk -l thing
[10:39] <Razor-X> hondje: can I see a screenshot?
[10:39] <HappyFool> at least you'll know if /dev/hda3 actually makes *sense*
[10:40] <hondje> Razor-X: Oh, I don't actually have it installed, that was a joke
[10:40] <Razor-X> oh, heh ;)
[10:40] <hondje> though I really do have root set to use twm
[10:40] <djm62> HappyFool: his files are in /home, and /dev/hda3 doesn't exist, and isn't mounted....it must be a cut-n-paste job
[10:40] <Razor-X> hondje: have you used BT?
[10:40] <HappyFool> fair enough
[10:40] <hondje> Razor-X: BT?
[10:40] <Razor-X> BitTorrent
[10:41] <Razor-X> a non-sequitur, I kow
[10:41] <Razor-X> *know
[10:41] <Razor-X> but, bear with me, i'm having trouble
[10:41] <djm62> HappyFool: we'll see....that explanation is pretty bizarre too
[10:41] <langerst> ok this is the sources file i am using- anyone have any ideas why xmms won't apt-get install (or through synaptic) http://rafb.net/paste/results/mTfDrm53.html
[10:41] <james_ed> question...how can i download from the cli?
[10:41] <hondje> Oh, I used it for an iso once, to see what the fuss was all about
[10:41] <hondje> Razor-X: But never know if I know something, slight as the chances may be :)
[10:41] <HappyFool> langerst: i think the us mirror might be broken
[10:41] <Triffid_Hunter> james_ed: wget
[10:41] <TokenBad> hondje,  yeah I noticed but don't play the games on that list
[10:42] <TokenBad> heheh
[10:42] <TokenBad> which is why it was a waste
[10:42] <crush> ..thinking about buying a laptop. anybody have experiences with those new, warm-running acers?
[10:42] <HappyFool> langerst: try changing all the us.archive.ubuntu.com 's to archive.ubuntu.com 's
[10:42] <hondje> TokenBad: Well, your $15 went to feed a hungry dev, guess there's a silver lining ;-)
[10:42] <toran> hey guys, could someone make a debian package of kmuddy (http://kmuddy.net)? I tried and didn't get anywhere i_i
[10:42] <HappyFool> langerst: you can always change back later
[10:42] <Amaranth> toran: put it up on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates
[10:43] <Razor-X> hondje: well, Azureus is using all my CPU, and the main reason I don't like other clients (like the Bittornado curses interface i'm using now) is because it's real slow
[10:43] <katoc> hi again
[10:43] <GNULinuxer> when I do a default install of hoary from the CD, does it install ALL packages?
[10:43] <hondje> toran: gnome-mud is waaaay better than kmuddy, give it a look
[10:43] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer: yeah
[10:43] <TokenBad> it supposed to play farcry...guess will reinstall it
[10:43] <Razor-X> not that much, though
[10:43] <brum> is there an apt package for php5?
[10:43] <HappyFool> GNULinuxer: no
[10:43] <toran> hondje: kmuddy blows it out of the water. I did give it a look ;-)
[10:43] <IIIEars> crush - look into the wifi chip included - ndis wrapper works but needs to be configured for some.
[10:43] <HappyFool> GNULinuxer: for instance, gcc is not installed by default
[10:43] <E0x> GNULinuxer all packages of the cd
[10:43] <thoreauputic> GNULinuxer: for some value of "all"
[10:43] <hondje> toran: hehe, different folks, different mud clients
[10:43] <E0x> i think
[10:43] <langerst> HappyFool: will do , thanks
[10:43] <misfit-toy> djm62, you were correct, I guess beagle did it?
[10:43] <hondje> Razor-X: I read in another forum about that, hold on
[10:44] <katoc> gnustep on ubuntu?
[10:44] <GNULinuxer> I mean all packages in the CD
[10:44] <toran> hondje: surprisingly enough, I couldn't stand gnome-mud. Not to mention it crashed several times on me. I have lots of reasons to hate it ;-)
[10:44] <Razor-X> brum: don't think so
[10:44] <TokenBad> hmm
[10:44] <HappyFool> GNULinuxer: no. gcc is on the CD
[10:44] <TokenBad> this not good
[10:44] <Razor-X> I ran an apt-search
[10:44] <caonex> hey i just installed ubunt and i am trying to do apt-get update but i get an error like us.ubuntu server is down?
[10:44] <hondje> toran: I mostly just use a terminal, but I liked the automapping
[10:44] <Razor-X> HappFool: it is?
[10:44] <thoreauputic> E0x: no, some packages are on the CD and are not installed
[10:44] <djm62> misfit-toy: packages shouldn't alter /etc without permission
[10:44] <TokenBad> my dvd drive not working now
[10:44] <HappyFool> Razor-X: yip
[10:44] <GNULinuxer> HappyFool, how to install all packages in the CD ?
[10:44] <E0x> oh
[10:44] <TokenBad> even though it was a min ago
[10:44] <brum> Razor: ok... i couldnt find one either
[10:44] <Razor-X> mmmm, it should be installed by default
[10:44] <misfit-toy> djm62, oh well, that was weird, I'm going to have a small cigar then figure out why this box isn't getting any name resolution, thanks for the help.
[10:44] <toran> for some reason I just loved kmuddy
[10:44] <misfit-toy> djm62, no kidding!
[10:44] <djm62> misfit-toy: random (and bizarre) snafu...it happens
[10:44] <Triffid_Hunter> lol djm62 ubuntu is the worst distro for silently borking configs that i've ever used
[10:44] <toran> I mainly need it for the aliases
[10:44] <toran> and triggers
[10:44] <brum> razor: thought it might under a strange name possibly
[10:44] <toran> etc
[10:44] <IIIEars> HappyFool - What is build-essentials?
[10:45] <misfit-toy> biab, thanks
[10:45] <thoreauputic> GNULinuxer: it doesn't really work that way...
[10:45] <djm62> Triffid_Hunter: is that using synaptic?
[10:45] <Triffid_Hunter> nope
[10:45] <HappyFool> GNULinuxer: i don't think you want to. use synaptic to find the software you need
[10:45] <djm62> apt is apt as far as config alterations go
[10:45] <GNULinuxer> thoreauputic, if gcc is there in the CD, why doesn't it install?
[10:45] <HappyFool> IIIEars: are we playing a quiz game ? :)
[10:45] <hondje> toran: give me a sec, I'll see if I can't whip up a deb for you
[10:45] <Triffid_Hunter> its bleh then.. friend of mine has his grub config and his nvidia driver nuked every time he updates
[10:45] <HappyFool> GNULinuxer: cos most people don't need it
[10:45] <hondje> Razor-X: what version are you using?
[10:46] <IIIEars> kynaptic/synaptic is great!
[10:46] <thoreauputic> GNULinuxer: desktop/ beginner/ non-dev focus?
[10:46] <djm62> but then I've found ubuntu to be one of the best defaulted distributions....
[10:46] <GNULinuxer> HappyFool, is there any way I can add the CD as a repo?
[10:46] <Razor-X> hondje: newest
[10:46] <Triffid_Hunter> best defaulted?
[10:46] <HappyFool> GNULinuxer: it should be a repository by default
[10:46] <hondje> Razor-X: 2.3.0.2 is said to be better, though concensus seems to be that the code is screwed and leaks like ... well, like it does
[10:46] <thoreauputic> GNULinuxer: apt-cdrom add
[10:46] <djm62> when potato was around, you HAD to mess with /etc
[10:46] <GNULinuxer> thoreauputic, I am a [to be]  Gnome developer, shifting to Ubuntu
[10:46] <IIIEars> HappyFool - no, - grin - it's just that i thought build essentials was gcc for ubuntu.....
[10:47] <djm62> Triffid_Hunter: it worked completely out of the box, in a way that I liked...the only config I did was in $HOME
[10:47] <HappyFool> IIIEars: well, it depends on gcc. and g++ and make, i think.
[10:47] <thoreauputic> GNULinuxer: so install build-essential and use apt-cache search
[10:47] <katoc> welll i guess im alone in the modify distros world
[10:47] <katoc> by everyone
[10:47] <TokenBad> what is going on with this...why can't I eject my dvd drive now
[10:47] <Razor-X> hondje: that's what I thought
[10:47] <Triffid_Hunter> TokenBad: it has to be unmounted before you can eject it
[10:47] <IIIEars> Welcome GNULinuxer :0
[10:47] <heavy> are there alternate apt servers other than us.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[10:48] <langerst> HappyFool: updating now- no errors yet
[10:48] <GNULinuxer> thoreauputic, can you tell me step-by-step ? I mean the apt commands
[10:48] <djm62> TokenBad: right click on the icon...
[10:48] <TokenBad> Triffid_Hunter, you lost me
[10:48] <GNULinuxer> IIIEars, thanks
[10:48] <Razor-X> hondje: but BitTornado is being a bitch
[10:48] <robert> hey, where are the config files for the dhcp client?
[10:48] <Q_Continuum> help!  I had xp on one partition, and ubuntu on a second...blew away ubuntu, resized ntfs partition to fill drive, and now grub fails with error 22, (I know I deleted the boot table) how can I boot back to windows?
[10:48] <HappyFool> heavy: archive.ubuntu.com
[10:48] <langerst> damn satellite connection... .... ...
[10:48] <caonex> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:48] <caonex> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[10:48] <caonex> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[10:48] <Razor-X> oh, and anyone here use emacs?
[10:48] <djm62> IIIEars: is number III the final front ear?
[10:48] <hondje> Razor-X: I really don't know much about bittorrent apps
[10:48] <HappyFool> Razor-X: i do
[10:48] <djm62> Razor-X: I do
[10:48] <IIIEars> lol - i love mp3s
[10:48] <TokenBad> djm62, your way worked
[10:48] <Triffid_Hunter> Q_Continuum: you need to rewrite your windows mbr.. ask a windows channel for information about fixing windows :P
[10:48] <thoreauputic> GNULinuxer: ? I suggest you do `sudo apt-get install apt-howto ` and read about apt
[10:48] <Razor-X> HappFool,djm62: interested in writing nice, n00b friendly docs for emacs?
[10:49] <GNULinuxer> thoreauputic, fine
[10:49] <Q_Continuum> Triffid_Hunter, I know I need to do that...but grub's still installed
[10:49] <GNULinuxer> thoreauputic, I am a bit new to apt
[10:49] <Razor-X> IIIEars: that's why you use cplay ;)
[10:49] <el_zor0> anyone know a relatively new laptop that ubuntu has full support for?
[10:49] <robert> hey, anyone?
[10:49] <HappyFool> GNULinuxer: you can find synaptic under System -> Administration -> Synaptic
[10:49] <thoreauputic> GNULinuxer: there's lots of docs on Debian.org as well
[10:49] <Triffid_Hunter> Q_Continuum: that'd be why you need to reinstall your windows mbr...
[10:49] <Q_Continuum> and I changed the administrator account, and created a locked-dummy account so I can't...all I want is for grub (which appears to partially still be installed)
[10:49] <djm62> Razor-X: have you tried 'alt-x tutorial'?
[10:49] <Q_Continuum> grub is half-installed
[10:49] <GNULinuxer> HappyFool, I have used Synaptic
[10:50] <Seveas> Q_Continuum, from an xp setup cd choose rescue mode and run fdisk /mbt
[10:50] <Q_Continuum> I just need to have it regenerate a list of OS's
[10:50] <karljp> elzoro: depending on what network card you chose, most of the dells
[10:50] <Razor-X> HappyFool,djm62: same scope as the Ubuntu guide, with just a tad bit more user-knowledge
[10:50] <djm62> el_zor0: hp compaq nx9020
[10:50] <Seveas>  /mbr
[10:50] <GNULinuxer> HappyFool, but I am a CLI guy
[10:50] <karljp> just choose a real centrino wireless, instead of a dell truemobile
[10:50] <Razor-X> djm62: it's for a project to try and introduce the Ubuntu n00b to the Command Line
[10:50] <Q_Continuum> Seveas, I can't.  I secured the administrator account, and it won't let me use the real one.
[10:50] <Q_Continuum> so I *HAVE* to use grub.
[10:50] <IIIEars> Seveas has it. - again - grin
[10:50] <HappyFool> GNULinuxer: hrm. well, in that case i would read the apt-howto
[10:50] <djm62> Razor-X: have you tried the emacs tutorial?
[10:50] <Razor-X> I myself don't use emacs, I use vi, so i'll be writing documentation for that
[10:50] <langerst> HappyFool: it's actually downloading the xmms package now! that's new and exciting
[10:50] <Seveas> Q_Continuum, you cannot use grub if you have no linux install
[10:50] <Razor-X> long ago, yes ;)
[10:50] <Q_Continuum> damn.
[10:50] <Q_Continuum> then I am fuxored.
[10:51] <GNULinuxer> HappyFool, what is the alternative for rpm -ql in apt?
[10:51] <Razor-X> Q_Continuum: why are you fucked?
[10:51] <el_zor0> djmb2 : the works? hibernate/suspend , wireless, etc?
[10:51] <IIIEars> Q - Grub is best. lilo requires an extra step to activate
[10:51] <Seveas> Q_Continuum, and you do not need to be windos administrator
[10:51] <djm62> el_zor0: yep
[10:51] <HappyFool> GNULinuxer: dpkg -L
[10:51] <Q_Continuum> Seveas, off the XP CD you do.
[10:51] <Triffid_Hunter> lol Q_Continuum what's stopping you from writing a windows mbr on to the disk?
[10:51] <Q_Continuum> to run fixmbr
[10:51] <el_zor0> djm62: thats tight, thx!
[10:51] <djm62> el_zor0: and completely out of the box
[10:51] <GNULinuxer> HappyFool, fine
[10:51] <Seveas> Q_Continuum, then use a win98 bootdisk :)
[10:51] <Q_Continuum> I renamed Administrator
[10:51] <Razor-X> Q_Continuum: what's the problem?
[10:51] <Q_Continuum> created a dummy adminisrator w/no priveleges, gave him a complex pw and locked the account
[10:51] <IIIEars> Q - don't panic - lilo giving you a screen filled eith garbage? disk error?
[10:51] <djm62> el_zor0: ebuyer.co.uk had them going cheap...I was pleasantly surprised
[10:51] <Seveas> fdisk /mbr is fdisk /mbr, regardless of the windows version used
[10:51] <Q_Continuum> to prevent any remote-login attems
[10:52] <GNULinuxer> Okay guys, I am going to install Hoary now ... should be back in an hour ... wish me luck !
[10:52] <Razor-X> Q_Continuum: so, you want to reenter your system?
[10:52] <Q_Continuum> yeah
[10:52] <HappyFool> Razor-X: not following the emacs tutorial thing
[10:52] <HappyFool> Razor-X: you have heard of emacswiki ?
[10:52] <Q_Continuum> grub boot menu went poof when I blew away ubuntu
[10:52] <Razor-X> then, use fdisk /mbr, like Seveas says
[10:52] <Razor-X> HappyFool: not an emacs user
[10:52] <Q_Continuum> all I need is something that will allow me to point it at that ntfs partition and boot from it
[10:52] <el_zor0> djm62: I'm in states, so shipping could burn me there
[10:52] <Q_Continuum> I was hoping I could use grub
[10:52] <Seveas> Q_Continuum, that's because the menu is on the ubunto /boot/grub directory, you cannot use grub without it
[10:52] <HappyFool> Razor-X: now i'm even more confused ;)
[10:52] <djm62> el_zor0: ebuyer.com in your case....
[10:52] <Seveas> Q_Continuum, then use a win98 bootdisk :) <-----
[10:53] <robert> I'd like to backup all of my internet config files, which should I backup?
[10:53] <Triffid_Hunter> Q_Continuum: put a windows mbr on the drive for the 100th time, and it'll be fixed
[10:53] <caonex> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Sources
[10:53] <caonex>   404 Not Found
[10:53] <caonex>  ?
[10:53] <Razor-X> Q_Continuum: best thing is to boot with a Win98 floppy, and run fdisk /mbr
[10:53] <robert> I am going to be installing a wireless router in a day or so... so I think I should
[10:53] <Q_Continuum> ok
[10:53] <Q_Continuum> I happen ot have one
[10:53] <Q_Continuum> heh
[10:53] <Seveas> caonex, us.archive server is bugging, use another mirror
[10:53] <el_zor0> djm62: oh, gotta love those international websites
[10:53] <Razor-X> HappyFool: It's a project at getting Ubuntu n00bs to use CLI
[10:53] <HappyFool> caonex: us mirror of archive is down.
[10:53] <Q_Continuum> win98 can't read NTFS :(
[10:53] <eruin> us mirror is bugging alot as of late
[10:53] <caonex> Seveas, i see thanks
[10:53] <Triffid_Hunter> caonex: fix your /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:53] <Razor-X> we're trying to amass documentation in different things, so that, we won't just present them nano, rather the whole buffet, nano, joe, emacs, vi, etc.
[10:54] <HappyFool> Razor-X: eek
[10:54] <IIIEars> Q_Contuum - yep been there - use a boot partition to install grub to - windows might erase it but linux installs won't it
[10:54] <HappyFool> Razor-X: admirable, but maybe you should focus on one thing
[10:54] <Razor-X> HappyFool: I myself am a vi user, heh
[10:54] <HappyFool> Razor-X: if you're all using vim, stick with it
[10:54] <Razor-X> HappyFool: why so?
[10:54] <Razor-X> no, we're not
[10:54] <HappyFool> Razor-X: i mean, one editor
[10:54] <Razor-X> some of use use nano, and stuff
[10:54] <HappyFool> Razor-X: well, too much choice is also not good
[10:54] <eruin> I refuse to use anything other than nano in cli
[10:54] <Razor-X> well, the thing is, generally when you force a newcomer to use one thing, they get used to it, and once used to something, it's harder to change
[10:55] <Seveas> Razor-X, for newbies: stick to nano
[10:55] <Razor-X> eruin: I prefer vi, much more
[10:55] <Q_Continuum> I'd install linux if I'd left any disk space available lol
[10:55] <Seveas> Razor-X, and fill an appendix with vim stuff
[10:55] <Razor-X> Seaves: well, nalioth suggests docs on everything
[10:55] <Q_Continuum> *attempts the win98 theory*
[10:55] <Q_Continuum> damn.
[10:55] <robert> ello?
[10:55] <HappyFool> Razor-X: that is a strength of ubuntu, imo -- default install has limited choice
[10:55] <eruin> Razor-X, it's more powerful, I'll give you that, but I generally just do simple things when editing files in cli
[10:55] <IIIEars> Q_Continuum - you can use grub. afraid it's a challenge if you are new. :/
[10:55] <hondje> toran: Nope, can't make one ofr you today, sorry
[10:55] <Q_Continuum> hmmm....can knoppix give me a list of bootable partitions and boot from that?
[10:56] <Seveas> IIIEars, it's difficult (if not impossible) to use grub with only a win install...
[10:56] <Razor-X> HappyFool: ahh, but, I love choice, actually
[10:56] <Seveas> Q_Continuum, iirc yes...
[10:56] <eruin> Razor-X, you've got a very valid point there though... the reason I use nano is because I got told to use pico in my early linux days... and switching from that to vi is... less-than-easy :-)
[10:56] <HappyFool> Razor-X: yes, but not initially.
[10:56] <Razor-X> eruin: same reason I won't use emacs or irssi
[10:56] <Razor-X> although, I tried it myself
[10:56] <djm62> Razor-X: gedit ;)
[10:56] <eruin> djm62, bluefish, at the very least
[10:57] <HappyFool> Razor-X: *first* get people writing "hello world" in C or python or whatever, then they can worry about choosing editors
[10:57] <IIIEars> Seveas - qtparted resize ntfs for boot partition install grub edit a bit and cross fingers
[10:57] <soccerfiend> I am a pico/nano and joe convert who now uses vim only
[10:57] <ricardo> hello
[10:57] <sasquatc3> im trying to mount my usb drive, through dmesg i found that its on /dev/sda, and ubuntu recognizes it fine, but when i do a 'mount -t usbfs /dev/sda /media/usb' it doesnt complain, but i go into the folder and it just contains 3 subfolders of numbers and a file called devices
[10:57] <Seveas> IIIEars, lol :)
[10:57] <soccerfiend> grub works fine for a win only install
[10:57] <Seveas> that's a good one
[10:57] <sasquatc3> so it obviously isnt properly mounting, just wondering if anyone else has had this issue, or knows how to fix it
[10:57] <ricardo> can someone tell me how to run freeciv single player?
[10:57] <Razor-X> HappFool: hmmm?
[10:57] <soccerfiend> should be -t vfat
[10:57] <sasquatc3> ive tried that too, that didnt work either
[10:57] <HappyFool> Razor-X: never mind, just ranting on about too much choice ;)
[10:57] <Razor-X> hehe
[10:57] <djm62> Razor-X: I guess you'd need specific motivation to want to be proficient at emacs/vi
[10:58] <soccerfiend> erm sda1
[10:58] <soccerfiend> you need to specify the partition
[10:58] <soccerfiend> try cfdisk /dev/sda to see whats there
[10:58] <sasquatc3> that was it, danke
[10:58] <eruin> partitions on a usb disk?
[10:58] <hondje> sasquatc3: usbfs is how you mount /proc/bus/usb, for example
[10:58] <hondje> :)
[10:58] <sasquatc3> ahh
[10:58] <ricardo> please?
[10:59] <HappyFool> ricardo: you first need to launch the server
[10:59] <soccerfiend> if you start to feel brave you can use udev to map that particular usb drive to the same device every time, or do like I do and create a sym link which you can put into your fstab
[10:59] <HappyFool> ricardo: i haven't installed it, i don't know if there's a menu entry for that
[10:59] <ricardo> how do I do that?
[10:59] <hondje> soccerfiend: hey, that's a good idea, never thought of that
[10:59] <HappyFool> ricardo: um, i'll have to try to work from memory
[10:59] <djm62> Razor-X: as in, I'm not sure about making docs to "encourage" people to use them: if you need encouragement/hand-holding, they are probably sub-optimal
[10:59] <soccerfiend> udev was actually quite easy to figure out, I'll see if I can track down the howto
[10:59] <Luakagon> How do I install xmms on this infernal contrpation?
[11:00] <Quest-Master> haha.
[11:00] <Quest-Master> sudo apt-get install xmms, maybe?
[11:00] <hondje> soccerfiend: I'd appreciate that :) I have a mp3 player that's really just a 20gig mini usb drive, be nice to do that with
[11:00] <HappyFool> ricardo: start a terminal: Applications -> System Tools -> Terminal
[11:00] <Phyrex> was that a trick question? :)
[11:00] <HappyFool> ricardo: then i *think* the command is freeserver, or maybe freeserve. Try typing 'frees<TAB>' and see if anything gets filled in
[11:00] <IIIEars> Luakagon - the us mirror isn't working this morning - ususally has no problems
[11:01] <Luakagon> ok...
[11:01] <hondje> why is there only one .us mirror?
[11:01] <xingmu> is there any way to capture memory of a frozen application in linux?  firefox just locked up on me after i had written a huge blog post but before i had a chance to post it.  i'd do anything to believe there is someway to recover that text!
[11:01] <Th4tBa5t4rd> cause servers cost money
[11:01] <Luakagon> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
[11:02] <djm62> I'm speaking as someone who's glad that C-x-s doesn't do anything horrible in other apps because it's almost a nervous twitch...
[11:02] <Luakagon> how do I get a .not_us mirror?
[11:02] <hondje> Sure, but lots of organizations donate tons of stuff
[11:02] <HappyFool> ricardo: that get you anywhere ?
[11:02] <Th4tBa5t4rd> add one manually
[11:02] <Luakagon> or specify a .not_us mirror
[11:02] <Seveas> Luakagon, you need to enable universe
[11:02] <HappyFool> Luakagon: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[11:02] <ricardo> nope. I think it is cvserver
[11:02] <HappyFool> Luakagon: and change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com
[11:02] <Phyrex> Luakagon: uncommet those universe sources from sources.list
[11:02] <Seveas> Luakagon, the debian non_us thing is not valid for ubuntu
[11:02] <ricardo> i mean, civserver
[11:02] <HappyFool> ricardo: ah, ok.
[11:02] <xingmu> btw, i have stopped the execution thread (it was running my cpu really bad and my poor laptop fan was working overtime)...but i didn't actually force the application close.
[11:02] <langerst> HappyFool: thanks very much - xmms is up and playing
[11:03] <Luakagon> universe sound dangerous
[11:03] <ricardo> I'm quite new
[11:03] <HappyFool> ricardo: so type that
[11:03] <flodine> can someone tell me how to change my screen size
[11:03] <ricardo> I did. Nothing happened
[11:03] <flodine> its to big
[11:03] <soccerfiend> udev howto at:  http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
[11:03] <sketcher> hi guys
[11:03] <HappyFool> ricardo: ?
[11:03] <soccerfiend> pretty straightforward howto
[11:03] <HappyFool> ricardo: doh
[11:03] <HappyFool> ricardo: you do have to press enter.. (sorry, maybe that's obvious)
[11:03] <ricardo> well, it said" civserver
[11:03] <ricardo> This is the server for Freeciv version 1.14.2
[11:03] <ricardo> You can learn a lot about Freeciv at http://www.freeciv.org/
[11:03] <ricardo> server: Connection pb, no valid addressricardo@
[11:03] <flodine> please help
[11:04] <HappyFool> ricardo: hm
[11:04] <tsw> xingmu: I dont think there is an easy (or even hard) way to revover the text..
[11:04] <HappyFool> ricardo: i used to get a prompt when that happens
[11:04] <djm62> flodine: what about it is too big?
[11:04] <HappyFool> i mean, when i launched civserver
[11:04] <IIIEars> flodine - in the desktop? CTRL+ALT+NUMPAD_PLUS - ??
[11:04] <flodine> i want to put it to 1600x1200 and cant
[11:04] <djm62> flodine: can you not see the edges of your desktop, or is there a big black border on your screen?
[11:04] <Luakagon> OK, whats the name of a text editor?
[11:05] <Luakagon> cause I tried emacs
[11:05] <djm62> Luakagon: gedit
[11:05] <HappyFool> Luakagon: nano
[11:05] <Razor-X> back
[11:05] <tsw> xingmu: you could check firefox cache to see if theres something
[11:05] <hondje> Has ubuntu ever asked around for repository mirrors?
[11:05] <flodine> i can see them
[11:05] <flodine> i want to change the size
[11:05] <HappyFool> ricardo: sorry, afraid i can't help much more. try 'civserver --help' to see if you get any help there
[11:05] <xingmu> *sigh* well, one more thing then....i had submitted to the text to a spell checker on my web server (using wordpress blog with a spell check plugin)...could you imagine any possible temp files or something along that lines?
[11:05] <flodine> but ubuntu wont give me 1600x1200
[11:06] <flodine> why
[11:06] <IIIEars> Luakagon - nano, visudo,vim - you will need to read about them to learn the commands
[11:06] <Luakagon> ty
[11:06] <djm62> Luakagon: gedit - you won't have to learn anything
[11:06] <ricardo> thanks anyway happyfool
[11:06] <hondje> xingmu: it's possible, but that's never happened to me
[11:06] <HappyFool> ricardo: isn't there a menu entry for starting the server? under games, perhaps?
[11:07] <ricardo> there is one for the client
[11:07] <agent> I need to delete files over 90 days old in a directory.. What's the easiest way to do this (will be making it a cron script)
[11:07] <flodine> djm62 i need to change it to 1600x1200
[11:07] <ricardo> it starts the game but I don't have any idea on how to play single player
[11:07] <hondje> oh hey, there's a TON of them
[11:07] <djm62> flodine: ok, have you tried "ctrl-alt-numpad_plus"
[11:07] <hondje> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive
[11:07] <flodine> whats the plus
[11:07] <djm62> flodine: "+"
[11:08] <HappyFool> ricardo: well, if you're willing to wait i can install it
[11:08] <djm62> flodine: also try googling "YOUR_MONITOR YOUR_GFX_CARD linux"
[11:08] <flodine> i just got a dell 24 inch trying to adjust it
[11:09] <HappyFool> ricardo: you *did* install the server? I see the client and server are in separate, apparently independent packages
[11:09] <IIIEars> flodine ubuntu wiki "binarydriverinstallhowto"
[11:09] <djm62> flodine: you just changed monitor, from a previously configured system?
[11:10] <Razor-X> hmmm, so, no-one uses btdownloadcurses?
[11:10] <Luakagon> ok how do I get it to play mp3s as it seems to be unable to.  what are the mp3 dependencies?
[11:10] <flodine> yes i went from a 19 flat to a 24 ich flat
[11:10] <IIIEars> flodine ubuntu wiki "binarydriverinstallhowto" or Display http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:10] <hondje> Razor-X: that's the one I used the whole one time
[11:10] <hondje> downloaded the .torrent, and ran the python app on it
[11:10] <svmaris> Razor-X, I use btlaunchmanycurses
[11:10] <Razor-X> hondje: hmmm, what speed were you getting?
[11:11] <HappyFool> Luakagon: i think if you read wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats you should find out what you need to do
[11:11] <hondje> I dont' remember
[11:11] <djm62> IIIEars: would dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg be the appropriate incantation in this situation?
[11:11] <Razor-X> svmaris: I can't get more than 2 kb/s upload on this thing
[11:11] <Razor-X> *download
[11:11] <IIIEars> flodin what brand video card?
[11:11] <Razor-X> regardless of whether I cap or not
[11:11] <HappyFool> djm62: isn't the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[11:11] <svmaris> Razor-X, I max out my 8mbit on a regular basis, so I don't know what the problem could be
[11:12] <djm62> HappyFool: my bad, cheers
[11:12] <misfit-toy> damn name resolution, can't get this box to see anything by name
[11:12] <IIIEars> *flodine - :/
[11:12] <hondje> Razor-X: could iptables be pulling a joke on you?
[11:12] <mcquillg_> I'm having problems with new system accounts and gnome permissions. Gnome freaks out when a new user logs in. Basically the screen fills up with popcorn (error messages)
[11:12] <Razor-X> hondje: doubt it
[11:12] <thoreauputic> Luakagon: try thr esound / esd output plugin
[11:12] <djm62> flodine: try running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[11:12] <Razor-X> hondje: Azureus can give me about 100 kb/s
[11:12] <thoreauputic> Luakagon: in prefs
[11:12] <mcquillg_> Any ideas?
[11:12] <Luakagon> oka
[11:12] <djm62> flodine: that should update your settings
[11:12] <mcquillg_> I've tried through the gui and through the CLI.
[11:13] <hondje> mcquillg_: another user while you're already logged in, like xdmcp, or over ssh or ?
[11:13] <IIIEars> djm - yes sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:14] <mcquillg_> hondje, they work find with ssh. However when they try to log into the physical box's gdm, it freaks out.
[11:14] <hondje> mcquillg_: oh, that's beyond me then, man
[11:14] <mcquillg_> Thanks.
[11:14] <hondje> mcquillg_: only thing close to that I've had is with xdmcp
[11:14] <mcquillg_> xdmcp? What's that?
[11:15] <Razor-X> connecting to X remotely
[11:15] <djm62> X Display Manager C???? Profit!
[11:15] <hondje> yeah, it's pretty nice, but totally not secure
[11:15] <mcquillg_> I seem to be getting permission errors etc. So I created the home directors (since the gui didn't seem to) and basically it seems like gconf is getting permission errors.
[11:15] <HappyFool> mcquillg_: have you looked in the files in /var/log/gdm/ for help ?
[11:15] <Razor-X> hondje: that's why you tunnel it through SSH
[11:15] <mcquillg_> but I _DID_ remember to set the home dirs ownership and group affiliation.
[11:16] <mcquillg_> HappyFool, no, that's a good idea.
[11:16] <mcquillg_> brb.
[11:16] <hondje> Razor-X: yeah, but that's not in the nice gui options, for some crazy reason
[11:16] <nalioth_wrkn> mcquillg_: thats really weird behaviour
[11:16] <mcquillg_> I know :(
[11:16] <TokenBad> hmm..
[11:16] <TokenBad> I have no sound under ubuntu
[11:16] <HappyFool> mcquillg_: so System -> Admin -> Users and Groups doesn't create home directories for your new users ?
[11:16] <TokenBad> it plays when it loads
[11:16] <Razor-X> hondje: so?
[11:17] <TokenBad> but then try to play a game in cedega and no sound
[11:17] <Razor-X> hondje: it's totally optional
[11:17] <hondje> Razor-X: So it's not recommended for newbies that cant' set up an ssh tunnel
[11:17] <CountDown> Anyone have a favorite 3D rendering engine for use on Ubuntu?
[11:17] <hondje> at least not by me
[11:17] <mcquillg_> HappyFool, nothing useful in the /var/log/gdm
[11:17] <hondje> then again, I use keys w/ ssh and all that paranoid crap, too
[11:18] <hondje> mcquillg_: what about xorg's log, or message?
[11:18] <djm62> CountDown: a ray tracer? or something like blender ?
[11:18] <apollo2011> The ubuntu mirror must be down because I can't install some packages and it won't update the package info
[11:19] <djm62> apollo2011: yeah, see /topic
[11:19] <TokenBad> anyone know about that?
[11:19] <hondje> djm62: I hope not, povray is hot in my book ;-)
[11:19] <mcquillg_> hondje, I did find something in messages.
[11:19] <djm62> hondje: that was the name that was escaping my calcified neurons! ;)
[11:19] <mcquillg_> Failed to get lock for daemon, exiting: Directory /tmp/gconfd-nashife has a problem, gconfd can't use it
[11:19] <hondje> apollo2011: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive
[11:20] <hondje> djm62: I just saw some pictures it made the other day, so it's fresh in my head :D
[11:20] <hondje> mcquillg_: that looks to be a good start
[11:20] <djm62> CountDown: try them all, it's free!
[11:20] <HappyFool> blender is great. povray requires too much Real Thought
[11:20] <hondje> Dunno waht, though, I'm still pretty new to gnome
[11:20] <hajiki> is it possible to get mp3 support in rhythmbox
[11:20] <nalioth_wrkn> TokenBad: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary
[11:20] <djm62> HappyFool: ISTR blender saving to povray
[11:21] <hondje> you guys are nuts
[11:21] <djm62> hajiki: yes it is
[11:21] <hondje> the only graphics I make are with gnuplot and matlab
[11:21] <mcquillg_> It has something to do with gconf thinking that the user logging on is someone else.
[11:21] <nalioth_wrkn> hondje: but you are the king of us all
[11:21] <mcquillg_> Owner of /tmp/orbit-nashife is not the current user
[11:21] <hondje> nalioth_wrkn: king of nothing, sir
[11:21] <hajiki> djm62, what do i need to apt-get ?
[11:21] <mcquillg_> Where nashife is the user.
[11:21] <mcquillg_> what do you think?
[11:21] <djm62> hajiki: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:21] <CountDown> djm62: Right now I'm trying to get Ogre3D going, but I'm having a bit of trouble.  I'm also considering Panda3D.
[11:21] <hondje> mcquillg_: ah. I wonder why it does that
[11:21] <nalioth_wrkn> mcquillg_: stupid question: you ARE doing that as root, yes?
[11:21] <hajiki> djm62, thank you!
[11:22] <caonex> i install apache y php and restarted apache but still would not parse the php file, why?
[11:22] <HappyFool> hondje: have you seen matplotlib (python)? I think it looks really good.
[11:22] <hondje> HappyFool: No, but I'm off to look now :D
[11:22] <hondje> matlab keeps making me mad
[11:22] <HappyFool> heh
[11:22] <hajiki> yuck unnoffical repositorys
[11:22] <HappyFool> matlab is teh sux0r
[11:22] <mcquillg_> nalioth_wrkn, Yes.
[11:22] <TokenBad> nalioth_wrkn, I looked at that...and not sure what all it means..but will try
[11:22] <hondje> HappyFool: Well, great for doing math
[11:22] <djm62> hajiki: you don't need them all, I think mp3 is just universe/multiverse
[11:22] <Seveas> HappyFool, matlab is nice!
[11:22] <apollo2011> someone should put something about it being down on the ubuntu homepage
[11:22] <nalioth_wrkn> TokenBad: there are several fixed listed
[11:23] <hondje> but the gui is pure crap, openGL doesn't work right most the time, etc
[11:23] <hajiki> ok good ;] 
[11:23] <HappyFool> matlab (the language) is a major kludge
[11:23] <Seveas> HappyFool, ack...
[11:23] <hondje> HappyFool: I like it, makes vectorizing operations simple. What don't you like?
[11:23] <HappyFool> hondje: i find the mixture of cell and structure arrays extremely messy
[11:24] <HappyFool> hondje: and they don't seem to have heard of namespaces (though i think latest simulink might have something like that)
[11:24] <cyphase> 120,000 digits sp far!
[11:24] <hondje> I like it, less restrictive
[11:24] <cyphase> so*
[11:24] <TokenBad> yeah but not sure which is for me
[11:24] <TokenBad> since I having problems only when loading games in cedega
[11:24] <hondje> namespaces, hrm...never thunked of that
[11:24] <HappyFool> hondje: i will grant that they have a wide variety of toolboxes, coded by experts
[11:25] <hondje> Plus the maple kernel makes me happy
[11:25] <hondje> HappyFool: matplotlib is nice, I'll mess with that soon :D
[11:26] <HappyFool> ;)
[11:26] <mcquillg_> nalioth_wrkn, Now that I think about it. I don't htink that i had root access. How do I get the gui window with sudo access?
[11:26] <hondje> for a guy who earns his living making pretty graphs, that's the good stuff :)
[11:26] <novaflare> any one here know of a decent online checkers program for linux?
[11:26] <mcquillg_> How to I initiate the user/group dialogue with the run prompt?
[11:26] <djm62> schkrew dis...goodnight from the UK all
[11:26] <Seveas> mcquillg_, sudo users-admin
[11:26] <IIIEars> mcquillo adduser isn't it?
[11:26] <nalioth_wrkn> mcquillg_: 'gksudo <command>'
[11:27] <TokenBad> nalioth_wrkn, but those fixes not have anything to do with cedega..
[11:27] <nalioth_wrkn> mcquillg_: applications > run command
[11:27] <mcquillg_> Thanks.
[11:27] <nalioth_wrkn> TokenBad: does cededga use the gnome sound system?
[11:27] <TokenBad> that I don't know
[11:27] <Shuddertrix> Cedega uses either alsa/oss depending on which driver.
[11:27] <hondje> last I checked it used alsa/oss
[11:27] <nalioth_wrkn> mcquillg_: the system>admin>user/groups should ask for authentication, tho
[11:28] <nalioth_wrkn> TokenBad: yes it does. everything that runs under gnome uses whatever gnome uses
[11:28] <HappyFool> novaflare: apt-cache search checkers reveals something called 'gtkboard' and 'ggz-gtk-games' -- not sure if that's what you want
[11:28] <nalioth_wrkn> TokenBad: so work with the fixes
[11:29] <mcquillg_> Thanks again everyone.
[11:29] <hondje> I wish hula would allow write for calendars
[11:30] <Luakagon> I'm having trouble with sound, I've enabled the eSound plugin and I get an error message, please check that sound card is configured properly, this is the right plugin, and no other programs are using sound
[11:30] <SigNagE> can anyone help me...just installed ubuntu (im totally new to linux) and found the appropriate drivers for my w/network card, but i have no idea how to install them
[11:30] <SigNagE> d-link-520+  dwl
[11:30] <SigNagE> acx100
[11:31] <hondje> is sourceforge borked again?
[11:31] <SigNagE> dont think so
[11:31] <hondje> hrm, maybe it's my damn isp again
[11:31] <bpuccio> hondje: do you run a hula server?  right now I'm on postfix/courier and while it is nice, hula looks neat and I'd like to try it out
[11:31] <LinuxJones> SigNagE, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[11:31] <hondje> bpuccio: yes, I set it up the other day
[11:32] <hondje> from cvs
[11:32] <newbie01> has anybody experience in using testdisk ?
[11:33] <Seveas> SigNagE, which drivers dif you find/what chipset is it?
[11:33] <bpuccio> hondje: nice, did it go smoothly?  did you follow the instuctions here: http://hula-project.org/Installation_Ubuntu
[11:34] <hondje> bpuccio: Yes, it build without errors, maybe one or two warnings, only thing missing was the default passwd, hdd to dig around for that
[11:34] <TokenBad> ok
[11:34] <apollo2011> I added these lines to sources.list but it doesn't work in Kynaptic:
[11:34] <apollo2011>   deb http://www.opensourcemirrors.org/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[11:34] <apollo2011>   deb-src http://www.opensourcemirrors.org/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[11:35] <TokenBad> I just tried to load warcraft 3 in cedega after the fixes..and what it says in unable to init base sound
[11:35] <Seveas> apollo2011, where sis you get these mirror adresses?
[11:35] <apollo2011> Seveas: Ubuntu Wiki
[11:35] <Seveas> ah
[11:35] <nalioth_wrkn> apollo2011: don't use kynaptic, use synaptic
[11:35] <bpuccio> hondje: awesome, I think I'll migrate tonight then, if it Just Works(tm) I'll give it a shot, I really don't want to replace a working just fine soltuion with something that will have me pulling my hair out
[11:35] <Seveas> apollo2011, why not simply use archive.ubuntu.com?
[11:35] <apollo2011> I got Kubuntu
[11:35] <hondje> bpuccio: the Novell HulaAdmin thing was ugly and clunky, very ahrd to grok for a guy like me, but the rest was a breeze
[11:36] <apollo2011> Seveas: cuz it is down (read topic)
[11:36] <hondje> bpuccio: you can set it to use your mailserver, etc
[11:36] <apollo2011> nalioth_wrkn: I got Kubuntu
[11:36] <Seveas> apollo2011, read it better
[11:36] <Seveas> us.archive is down
[11:36] <nalioth_wrkn> apollo2011: synaptic is DM agnostic
[11:36] <Seveas> archive is not
[11:36] <Seveas> and i placed that in the topic..
[11:36] <bpuccio> hondje: eh, I'd like to try theirs, make it an all in one sort of thing... I ran qmail for 2 years and now ran postfix for another year or so, figure I'm due for another MTA
[11:36] <concept10> what is the latest ubuntu kernel?
[11:36] <thoreauputic> apollo2011: umm - that's the us. mirror that's down
[11:36] <hondje> bpuccio: basically just add the groupware voodoo on top of your existing setup
[11:36] <nalioth_wrkn> back to work
[11:37] <nalioth_wrkn> back to work
[11:37] <apollo2011> Seveas: well I don't have archive.ubuntu.com in my sources.list
[11:37] <chileverde> Q: whats the diff between aptitude and apt-get?
[11:37] <bpuccio> hondje: ok, sounds cool, thanks for the information
[11:37] <hondje> bpuccio: no problem, good luck
[11:37] <Seveas> apollo2011, then put it in instead of the ones you typed...
[11:37] <thoreauputic> chileverde: aptitude is smarter ;)
[11:37] <chileverde> thoreauputic: ty
[11:38] <KarlosII> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ <--- down tooo?
[11:38] <concept10> could anyone with a updated system tell me what the latest  kernel ubuntu is using?
[11:38] <apollo2011> Seveas: i did and it seems to work
[11:38] <thoreauputic> concept10: 2.6.10-5
[11:38] <IIIEars> 2.6.10-5
[11:38] <Seveas> KarlosII, yes, it is the same machine :)
[11:39] <IIIEars> Hula is very nice :)
[11:39] <concept10> when is breezy sched to be released
[11:39] <thoreauputic> concept10: October
[11:40] <concept10> will you be able to update from hoary to breezy using apt or synaptic?
[11:40] <Seveas> concept10, yes
[11:40] <thoreauputic> concept10: yes
[11:40] <concept10> Seveas: are you a developer?
[11:41] <Seveas> concept10, no
[11:41] <Amaranth> community member
[11:41] <concept10> I want to switch from FC to ubuntu and help with some of the breezy goals, porting some apps from FC
[11:41] <Seveas> yeah :)
[11:41] <Amaranth> i think i'm the only op who isn't a community member
[11:41] <Seveas> Amaranth, don't forget to put your name on the CC agenda!
[11:42] <Amaranth> Seveas: I tried for the last meeting.
[11:42] <concept10> Amaranth: what do use?
[11:42] <KarlosII> Seveas, heh
[11:42] <IIIEars> CC agenda?
[11:42] <Seveas> Amaranth, i know, network problems right?
[11:42] <concept10> what do you use
[11:42] <apollo2011> OK now I got it working cuz now it doesn't complain that all the packages weren't downloaded
[11:42] <Amaranth> Seveas: Right when we were going to bring it up my internet died for 7 hours solid. :)
[11:42] <Amaranth> concept10: ubuntu
[11:42] <Seveas> Amaranth, put your name on the CCAgenda wikipage
[11:42] <KarlosII> Seveas, is there one that is working?
[11:42] <TokenBad> ok using the built in torrent program in ubuntu...how can I have it save to another mounted drive without it telling me permission denied
[11:42] <Seveas> KarlosII, archive.ubuntu.com works fine
[11:43] <KarlosII> k
[11:43] <KarlosII> http?
[11:43] <Seveas> yes
[11:43] <KarlosII> k
[11:43] <concept10> question: how does ubuntu go about maintaining packages, do you guys start from debians sources?  security fixes also?
[11:45] <klaym> hello! does GTA:SA play on Linux?
[11:45] <Seveas> concept10, read the ubuntu website please
[11:45] <Seveas> it has all the info you need
[11:45] <Seveas> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/
[11:45] <TokenBad> klaym, seems so in cedega..but not sure
[11:45] <TokenBad> since I not have that game
[11:47] <TokenBad> anyone refresh my memory on installing java for firefox?
[11:47] <Seveas> TokenBad: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[11:47] <ompaul> how do I allow the one user on this box to access 'ifup ppp0'
[11:48] <ompaul> I do not want the user here to have to use sudo to access it
[11:48] <Amaranth> Seveas: something is wrong with the wiki http://tinyurl.com/cdoyz
[11:48] <Seveas> ompaul, add a line for it in the sudoers file
[11:48] <hondje> is blackdown java still around?
[11:49] <Seveas> somethink like the_username=ifup NOPASSWD (that syntax is not correct, but check man sudoers)
[11:49] <hondje> I remember using that before I realized that I could read sun's readme
[11:49] <ompaul> Seveas, thanks I will
[11:49] <TokenBad> I did an easier way before using apt-get from a site
[11:49] <TokenBad> but forgot how
[11:49] <Seveas> Amaranth, lol :)
[11:49] <Amaranth> Seveas: :D
[11:50] <Gus> hello
[11:50] <Seveas> Amaranth, http://tinyurl.com/8apoy
[11:50] <Seveas> :p
[11:54] <IIIEars> #ubuntu-dev
[11:54] <hondje> is it really red now?
[11:56] <chaps0063> Is there anyway to get speed stepping to work?
[11:56] <Seveas> chaps0063, by using a processor that supports it?
[11:56] <chaps0063> Seveas, yes.
[11:56] <chileverde> you need the cpu frq daemon I think
[11:57] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hey Seveas could you send me a copy of your sources.list with all the repos you got ?
[11:57] <GNULinuxer> chaps0063, and also by loading the appropriate modules provided the CPU supports it
[11:57] <chileverde> (besides having a cpu that supports it)
[11:57] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> mine seems to be messed up
[11:57] <Seveas> Pop_pa_FrEaK, http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/38
[11:57] <TokenBad> Seveas, I remembered how I did it now
[11:57] <chaps0063> GNULinuxer, how do i find that out?
[11:57] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> thanx Seveas
[11:57] <TokenBad> using apt-get and having it install
[11:57] <GNULinuxer> chaps0063, which CPU do you have?
[11:57] <chaps0063> Intel P4 Centrino 1.6
[11:58] <GNULinuxer> chaps0063, it's supported
[11:58] <xingmu> well, i guess i give up now on recovering that post.  although i found the cache files, it seems near impossible that they actually hold the form text.  i guess i'll just have to learn how to use a text editor when writing long posts from now on.
[11:58] <Seveas> chaps0063, me has the same processor
[11:58] <Seveas> worked out-of-the-box
[11:58] <chaps0063> ok, maybe it is working.
[11:58] <GNULinuxer> chaps0063, try loading acpi_cpufreq module ...
[11:58] <xingmu> but on another note, has anyone else been having bad behavior from firefox lately?  i have been having regularly lock-ups with it, but i can't figure out how to track down the problem at all.
[11:59] <GNULinuxer> chaps0063, it must work out of the box
[11:59] <Seveas> chaps0063, maybe you need to add the frequency scaling applet to your gnome-panel
[11:59] <chaps0063> GNULinuxer, yeah...I think what I was confused about then was the battery life that showed up.
[11:59] <GNULinuxer> chaps0063, there are different types of governors ... default is ondemand
[11:59] <Seveas> chaps0063, you can see whether it works by 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'
[11:59] <GNULinuxer> chaps0063, you can see it in the cpufreq panel applet
[12:00] <if> how can i download kernel source?