[12:13] <doko> mdz: once liblog4j1.2-java is in the archives, you could try to run germinate again
[12:13] <mdz> doko: ok
[12:24] <dholbach> good night
[12:24] <mkde> night dholbach
[12:24] <ogra> night dholbach 
[12:24] <dholbach> *wave*
[12:39] <calc> jdub: i see you are presenting at oscon :)
[12:48] <jdub> calc: yeah
[12:49] <calc> i noticed microsoft is on the sponsor list, funny stuff :)
[12:49] <jdub> ooh, i should say something controversial
[12:49] <jdub> SPONSOR THIS!
[12:49] <jdub> (moons audience)
[12:52] <maswan> heh. microsoft sponsored the grid conference I went to this spring. grid in this case means linux clusters talking with eachother. the first words from the microsoft guy that talked: "I come in peace"
[12:53] <maswan> http://www.acc.umu.se/~maswan/bilder/20050419-EGEE.gr/index.html?view=IMG_3734.JPG
[12:53] <maswan> also, take a look at the face of the microsoft booth person. rather bored after 3 days and noone talking to her, perhaps?
[12:54] <trulux> once you toggle the menu off in gnome-terminal, how you get it back?
[12:55] <jdub> trulux: there's a checkbox in the context menu
[12:55] <Nafallo> maswan: hehe
[12:56] <trulux> jdub: I can only see the tabs but no menu, and dunno how to get it back ;)
[12:56] <jdub> trulux: right click for the context menu
[12:56] <trulux> oh, yup
[12:57] <trulux> jdub: many thanks
[12:57] <maswan> But hey, we didn't have to pay for the lunch buffets, so we shouldn't complain. :)
[12:57] <Amaranth> hahaha
[12:57] <Amaranth> maswan: nice
[12:57] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:58] <Amaranth> damn jhbuild takes a long time
[12:58] <Amaranth> stupid 1.2Ghz Duron machine
[12:59] <Amaranth> building with gcc 3.4 even, so it's super painful
[01:02] <tseng> Mez: ..
[01:03] <Mez> hey tseng
[01:03] <tseng> hi.
[01:03] <Mez> :D
[01:05] <jdub> daniels: ping
[01:06] <tseng> jdub: ping
[01:06] <tseng> he went to bed only a few hours ago
[01:07] <jdub> oh
[01:08] <tseng> gar im going to write a canned statement about the mono backport soon
[01:08] <tseng> this is getting old.
[01:08] <schweeb> you're getting old
[01:08] <schweeb> :p
[01:08] <tseng> not as old as you!
[01:08] <schweeb> I'm 21!
[01:08] <tseng> mr. senior tape backup
[01:08] <tseng> I'm 20!
[01:09] <tseng> schweeb: a/s/l?
[01:09] <schweeb> you're a bish
[01:09] <schweeb> I'm definitely goin bar hopping tonight
[01:09] <schweeb> yay
[01:09] <Mez> tseng - you sound like an AOLer
[01:10] <tseng> Mez: except I do it as a joke
[01:10] <Mez> tseng, I know... as was my comment
[01:14] <Mez> god I'm bred
[03:00] <stuNNed> mdz: welp, w/no firewall enabled connected to uni's wifi network nothing happens and all is well, thanks, so it is universe firewall related (#10090)
[03:12] <Mez> anyone here on breezy with KDE willing to test a package for me/
[03:25] <mdz> fabbione: my machine still requires irqpoll with the latest 2.6.12
[03:26] <Mez> mdz, you're running breezy I assume ? (somewhere)
[03:28] <Amaranth> are there any known issues with the hoary live cd on vmware/vpc?
[03:29] <jnc> massive update action going on lately
[03:29] <jnc> wowzer
[03:36] <|QuaD-> hah
[03:37] <|QuaD-> it still didn't fix x :(
[03:42] <jnc> what's wrong w/ x?
[03:42] <|QuaD-> jnc: have you upgraded and rebooted?
[03:42] <jnc> nope
[03:42] <|QuaD-> it messes with the font
[03:42] <jnc> gah
[03:42] <|QuaD-> something with fonts
[03:42] <jnc> good thing it's a weekend
[03:42] <|QuaD-> why?
[03:42] <jnc> i'm getting an error about MD5 sums
[03:42] <|QuaD-> lol
[03:42] <|QuaD-> oh
[03:43] <jnc> call me crazy, it's amd64 box and i needed openoffice to print
[03:43] <jnc> so i threw breezy on it
[03:45] <jnc> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xscreensaver/xscreensaver_4.21-4ubuntu4_amd64.deb
[03:45] <jnc>   MD5Sum mismatch
[03:45] <jnc> pardon the paste
[03:46] <jnc> what have i missed?
[03:46] <Amaranth> /topic #ubuntu
[03:47] <Mez> Amaranth, you there?
[03:47] <jnc> oh, what's that got to do with MD5 sums
[03:48] <Amaranth> the mirror is messed up
[03:48] <Amaranth> use a different mirror
[03:48] <Amaranth> uk works
[03:48] <jnc> okay
[03:51] <jnc> eh i guess i'll wait until it works again, uk doesn't seem to like me
[03:53] <jnc> |QuaD-: fonts look okay
[03:54] <|QuaD-> jnc: X won't start i don't think
[03:55] <chol> daniels, are you awake? i'm looking for some newer debs of xorg to see if they can cope with an hpux xfs
[03:57] <Nafallo> mono == love
[03:59] <Nafallo> or rather
[03:59] <Nafallo> mono == porn ;-)
[03:59] <|QuaD-> therefore, mono == love == porn
[03:59] <|QuaD-> which means love == porn
[03:59] <|QuaD-> which means, why get married when you can watch porn?
[03:59] <Nafallo> :-D
[04:04] <jnc> |QuaD-: works here
[04:04] <|QuaD-> jnc: you restarted?
[04:05] <jnc> yes
[04:07] <Nafallo> holy smokes! I'm out of memory+swap
[04:07] <Nafallo> 2GB :-P
[04:07] <|QuaD-> jnc: here it doesn't work
[04:07] <|QuaD-> jnc: it was a known problem
[04:07] <jnc> |QuaD-: nuts to your known problem
[04:08] <|QuaD-> jnc: maybe it is the repo i am using?
[04:08] <|QuaD-> archive.ubuntu.com
[04:09] <jnc> could be
[04:10] <jnc> Nafallo: yeah i've been getting that on my amd64 box here
[04:10] <jnc> no idea why
[04:10] <jnc> eventually i have to close evolution to start anything else
[04:10] <jnc> it's hauntingly similar to win95 back in the day when you rebooted it 'cause of memory leaks
[04:11] <Nafallo> jnc: using mono?
[04:11] <Nafallo> jnc: i.e. beagle + f-spot
[04:13] <tseng> im not sure beagle is a mem leak
[04:13] <tseng> people seem to underestimate the daunting task that indexing gig after gig of files is
[04:15] <|QuaD-> tseng: it used up my mem
[04:15] <|QuaD-> i was able to index before this
[04:18] <tseng> i can always index
[04:18] <tseng> i guess it likes me.
[04:18] <|QuaD-> tseng: haha
[04:18] <|QuaD-> no memory leaks for you :)
[04:18] <|QuaD-> are you using the packages you created for breezy?
[04:18] <tseng> yes
[04:19] <|QuaD-> oh
[04:19] <tseng> are you?
[04:19] <|QuaD-> yes
[04:19] <tseng> k
[04:22] <Nafallo> my laptop frooze ;-)
[04:29] <jnc> Nafallo: nah, just normal office stuff.  evo, OOo, ff, gt
[04:30] <Nafallo> jnc: ahh. that problem I don't have :-).
[04:36] <tseng> Nafallo: EZ GTK BOOG
[04:37] <Nafallo> hehe
[05:02] <daniels> jdub: pong
[05:03] <daniels> doko: i'm waiting for colony 2 to be released before I drop all the new stuff in
[05:03] <Mez> hmm
[05:03] <daniels> chol: nothing's changed in that regard, sorry
[05:03] <Mez> I've just changed a line in a config file for konversation to change the autojoin channel #kde to autojoin #kubuntu
[05:03] <Mez> and it#'s not working
[05:03] <Mez> that shouldnt break it should it
[05:03] <Mez> It's the only thing I chnaged
[05:04] <Mez> and worked fine before I changed that one teeny thing
[05:04] <Mez> any dieas anyone
[05:10] <bob2> reverting "fixes" it?
[05:11] <bob2> put your diff up somewhere
[05:11] <Mez> http://www.thewock.com/ubuntu/breezy/konversation_0.18-1ubuntu1.diff.gz
[05:12] <Mez> bob2, cna i pm?
[05:13] <bob2> no ideas, sorry
[05:13] <tseng> bob2: this train is for cockfosters.
[05:14] <bob2> so, there's a road here..woodcock drive.
[05:14] <tseng> oh man
[05:14] <bob2> I'd like it moved closer to the airport for new arrivals to appreciate.
[05:22] <Mez> hmm
[05:22] <Mez> how to make a .dev when pruged rmove configs from users home dir?
[05:22] <Mez> that arent included when installed first time
[05:24] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: can we have an op in #kubuntu?
[05:27] <Amaranth> i'm not an op there
[05:28] <daniels> thoreauputic: what's the problem?
[05:28] <thoreauputic> daniels: a troll, racist, blah blah
[05:28] <thoreauputic> spamming the chan
[05:29] <thoreauputic> thanks, daniels 
[05:29] <Mez> thanks whoever you are (I assume fooishbar!)
[05:29] <Mez> or thats a pseudo account
[05:30] <daniels> Mez: fooishbar is linked to my nick, yeah
[05:30] <Mez> fair enough
[05:30] <Mez> anyways
[05:30] <Mez> I think I'm going to bed now i sorte dout the konv problem (it was a crappy rc file
[06:17] <wasabi_> is laptop sleeping expected to be working currently? (is it just me who can't wake up?)
[06:20] <bob2> depends on the laptop
[06:20] <bob2> works on most hp and ibm's
[06:21] <wasabi_> ibook. ;0
[06:23] <bob2> should work fine
[06:23] <bob2> g3s have worked for years
[06:23] <bob2> g4 since end of last year
[06:25] <wasabi_> thanks. long as I know that i'll keep trying.
[06:30] <stevedog> i can't install Hoary (or Warty) on my G5 iMac, its saying "cannot find common CD-Rom"
[06:50] <blahrus> when I go to install beagle, it wants to remove firefox . . . any ideas?
[06:51] <blahrus> this is in breezy
[06:51] <bob2> ...
[06:51] <bob2> it's breezy, it's not supposed to work!
[06:52] <blahrus> yes yes, please don't give me that lecture, i know this, I can here to see if anyone else was aware of this
[06:52] <blahrus> came* here
[06:55] <bob2> nothing in the bts?
[06:56] <stevedog> i can't install Hoary (or Warty) on my G5 iMac, its saying "cannot find common CD-Rom"
[06:57] <blahrus> bob2: nothing I saw
[06:58] <jdub> daniels: around?
[06:59] <daniels> jdub: REPRESENT
[06:59] <jdub> aye aye
[07:00] <jdub> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/random/xorg-ate-my-keyboard.txt
[07:00] <jdub> fully up to date
[07:01] <daniels> jdub: just call me captain birdseye
[07:01] <daniels> jdub: so, if you SSH in and run xev, and give it focus with the mouse
[07:01] <daniels> jdub: do you get nothing whatsoever for normal keys, but control and shift are mapped properly?
[07:02] <bob2> daniels: is the "monitos on nvidia cards don't get setup correctly" fix the same as for i810?
[07:02] <blahrus> jdub: those were the errors I got :)
[07:03] <jdub> blahrus: you can't type?
[07:03] <daniels> bob2: what was the fix for the former?
[07:04] <bob2> daniels: run ddcprobe, find the v/h syncs, put them in x.org.conf manually
[07:04] <jdub> daniels: ouch, xev gives me nothing
[07:04] <daniels> jdub: is it focussed wit hthe mouse?
[07:04] <daniels> bob2: XORG_SYNC_RANGES=yes sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[07:04] <jdub> daniels: i get more output by running X alone, btw
[07:04] <blahrus> no I can type, I just updated to the new xorg
[07:05] <blahrus> I just did an update like 2secs ago
[07:05] <jdub> daniels: yes, it's getting mouse events
[07:05] <jdub> expected keysym, got XF86_Switch_VT_1: line 8 of xfree86
[07:05] <jdub> expected keysym, got XF86_Switch_VT_2: line 11 of xfree86
[07:05] <jdub> expected keysym, got XF86_Switch_VT_3: line 14 of xfree86
[07:05] <jdub> ...
[07:05] <daniels> jdub: ok, do you get any output from control and shift?  or no key on the keyboard at all
[07:05] <jdub> The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:
[07:05] <jdub> > Warning:          Multiple interpretations of "NoSymbol+AnyOfOrNone(all)"
[07:05] <jdub> >                   Using last definition for duplicate fields
[07:05] <jdub> 
[07:05] <daniels> jdub: woah, what the shit
[07:05] <jdub> ^ stuff like this in X output
[07:05] <jdub> ooh, i get ctrl and shift
[07:06] <jdub> and alt
[07:06] <daniels> jdub: sweet
[07:06] <daniels> jdub: your task is to figure out which of /usr/lib/X11/xkb, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb, and /usr/share/X11/xkb needs to be added as a symlink to /etc/X11/xkb
[07:06] <jdub> ha ha
[07:06] <jdub> jdub@ubuntu:~$ find /usr/lib/X11/xkb
[07:06] <jdub> /usr/lib/X11/xkb
[07:07] <jdub> BIM-BOW!
[07:07] <daniels> is it a symlink?
[07:07] <jdub> yes
[07:07] <jdub> to /etc/X11/xkb
[07:07] <daniels> jdub: what about /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb?
[07:07] <jdub> as is /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb
[07:08] <jdub> /usr/share/X11/xkb DOES NOT EXIST!
[07:08] <jdub> WE HAVE A WINNER!
[07:08] <daniels> try making that as a symlink and restarting X
[07:08] <daniels> if it doesn't work, I'm going to be very disappointed, because that's what fixed it for me
[07:08] <daniels> although I'm using a new, crazy, libX11 on my desktop
[07:08] <jdub> ...
[07:09] <daniels> not working?
[07:09] <jdub> hold on, doing it with just X
[07:09] <jdub> still get all those errors
[07:09] <daniels> argh
[07:09] <jdub> same thing
[07:10] <jdub> i'll reconfigure and try again
[07:11] <daniels> jdub: ok, for some reason the symbols aren't being found
[07:11] <daniels> you definitely have /etc/X11/xkb/symbols with lots of files in it?
[07:11] <daniels> including ... srvr_ctrl
[07:11] <jdub> lots of files
[07:12] <jdub> $ find /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/ | grep ctrl
[07:12] <jdub> /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/ctrl
[07:12] <jdub> /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/srvr_ctrl
[07:13] <daniels> argh
[07:13] <jdub> btw, why are we bothering to go modular for this release?
[07:14] <daniels> because it will make updating everything no longer hard
[07:14] <daniels> the monolithic tree is a serious pain in my arse
[07:14] <daniels> in terms of maintaining it both throughout the development cycle and when released
[07:14] <jdub> mmm
[07:15] <daniels> this isn't a modular-tree fuckup, btw
[07:15] <daniels> i haven't got to touching xkb yet
[07:15] <jdub> heh
[07:15] <daniels> this will be a /usr/X11R6 -> /usr problem
[07:19] <blahrus> jdub: sorry to interupt, but are you Jeff Waugh?
[07:19] <jdub> blahrus: yes
[07:20] <jdub> i don't think you're interrupting though
[07:20] <jdub> daniel is eating caviar or something
[07:20] <blahrus> cool, i just bored reading through planet.gnome.com
[07:20] <blahrus> saw Jeff Waugh . . .
[07:20] <blahrus> and jdub under it . . .
[07:20] <jdub> you were *bored* while reading planet gnome?
[07:20] <jdub> you came to tell me this?! ;-)
[07:21] <blahrus> hahahah
[07:21] <blahrus> I mean I was done planing online poker for the night, and not ready to watch a movie
[07:21] <blahrus> that sound better :)
[07:21] <jdub> heh
[07:21] <bob2> jdub: you're a celebrity!
[07:22] <jdub> i'm a floating head.
[07:22] <blahrus> in the geeky world yea :) (still reading blogs trying to find what he does)
[07:22] <blahrus> :)
[07:23] <blahrus> well if that the case all the planet.gnome guys are
[07:23] <daniels> jdub: oh man
[07:23] <daniels> jdub: i want caviar now.  damnit.
[07:23] <daniels> jdub: (not yet eaten today.)
[07:26] <jdub> stop thinking of fish babies and help fix my X ;)
[07:29] <blahrus> well its night time here, good luck with x
[07:32] <daniels> jdub: yeah, I'm trying to work through it
[08:19] <daniels> jdub: i've got no idea, sorry, and need to head off now
[08:19] <jdub> ok
[12:56] <Mez> hmm anyone here want to sponsor my gaim breezy 1.3.1 package?
[01:19] <Riddell> Mez: gaim??  I thought you were doing konversation!
[01:19] <Mez> I did gaim aswell
[01:19] <Mez> I was bored
[01:20] <Mez> anything i backport that isnt in breezy I compile for breezy too
[01:21] <Mez> :P
[01:24] <Mithrandir> well, gaim just needs a merge.
[01:24] <Mez> yeah thats what I've done :d
[01:25] <Mez> so if anyone wants to sponsor it
[01:25] <Mez> lemme know
[01:47] <zyga> hello
[01:47] <zyga> what are the chances of commiting a translation for a totally untranslated package (for a given language) into hoary?
[02:03] <pitti> Hi
[02:05] <Nafallo> hi pitti :-)
[02:52] <AndyFitz> damn  I've got apps compiling but not executing again
[02:52] <Mez> lo
[02:52] <AndyFitz> hows C++ stuff in breezy ?
[02:52] <Mez> l
[02:53] <AndyFitz> nevermind
[02:54] <AndyFitz> :)  time to have some fun ;)
[03:05] <Keybuk> ooh-err
[03:06] <Mez> evening keybuk
[03:06] <Keybuk> afternoon
[03:07] <Mez> btw, out of curioity, whereabout sin birmingham do you live
[03:10] <Mez> that's if you dont mind me asking (and i'll understand if you do)
[03:13] <_konrad> what are you plannig for next release? I read how-to, but it is too long to be true? I know ablout d-nut, new kernel, something BIG more?
[03:14] <Nafallo> _konrad: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
[03:15] <_konrad> Nafallo: but it is too good to be true :)
[03:15] <Keybuk> Mez: Bordesley Green
[03:15] <Keybuk> not exactly the most fashionable area ;)
[03:15] <Nafallo> _konrad: stuff might still get deferred.
[03:16] <Mez> lol - Keybuk - sounds better than me
[03:16] <Keybuk> where abouts are you?
[03:16] <Mez> I'm living next to the spaghetti junction (literally)
[03:17] <Mez> (aka erdongton)
[03:18] <Mez> btwm, has the C+_+ transition been completed yet
[03:18] <\sh> no
[03:19] <Keybuk> ah right, I know Erdington
[03:31] <AndyFitz> evening keybuk
[03:32] <Keybuk> AndyFitz: eh-oh
[03:33] <AndyFitz> how goes the UK morning ?
[03:37] <jsgotangco> AndyFitz, hey
[03:37] <AndyFitz> jsgotangco, hi mate
[03:37] <jsgotangco> AndyFitz, how goes the weekend
[03:38] <AndyFitz> long weekends are always good. ;)   I'm back from a friends 21st quite early actually.  so its a lazy one .   how's yours going?
[03:39] <jsgotangco> not bad, i had a few pints with some friends i just logged in to reply to emails and svn
[03:39] <jsgotangco> btw, are you still doing that icon set
[03:44] <Nafallo> gaah
[03:44] <Nafallo> my colume up/down buttons are screwed since yesterday.
[03:44] <Nafallo> they seem to change style of the desktop instead :-/
[03:46] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:46] <jsgotangco> oh well good night all and enjoy the weekend
[03:50] <AndyFitz> jsgotangco, yes.  and ciao!
[03:50] <Keybuk> AndyFitz: is afternoon here now
[04:19] <Keybuk> m4/libs.m4:47: error: m4_defn: undefined macro: _m4_divert_diversion
[04:19] <Keybuk> autoconf/general.m4:1442: AC_ARG_VAR is expanded from...
[04:19] <Keybuk> m4/libs.m4:47: the top level
[04:19] <Keybuk> autom4te: /usr/bin/m4 failed with exit status: 1
[04:19] <Keybuk> ...
[04:20] <Keybuk> ah yes "you forgot a [ at the start of a defun"
[04:20] <Mez> lol - Keybuk, lucky you, I dont know Erdingotn and I live here
[04:20] <Keybuk> sometimes I think tla got its error reporting from autoconf :p
[04:23] <toresbe> Has anyone heard of Ubuntu CD's delaminating?
[04:23] <toresbe> my Warty live is delaminating 
[04:26] <Keybuk> AndyFitz: btw, I'm naming the next dpkg release after you :p
[04:27] <AndyFitz> Scott,   there's a dodgy reason behind it I'm sure 
[04:27] <Keybuk> not especially.  Jeff made me name 1.13.9 "In like Flynn", so the only logical name for 1.13.10 is "On like Donkey Kong" <g>
[04:30] <Mez> lol
[04:30] <lamont-away> cd ../../exports/lib && ln -s ../../lib/Xss/libXss.a .
[04:30] <lamont-away> *** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0x0006f948 ***
[04:30] <lamont-away>  /bin/sh: line 1: 27741 Aborted                 make -C $i -w all
[04:31] <lamont> daniels: not because it's your fault, mind you
[04:39] <Burgundavia> jdub, ping
[05:14] <siretart> c++ gurus: is partial specialisation of function templates really not possible with g++?
[05:21] <Mez> find: ./debian/konversation/usr/share/locale: No such file or directory
[05:21] <Mez> dh_builddeb: command returned error code 256
[05:21] <Mez> make: *** [binary-makedeb-IMPL/konversation]  Error 1
[05:21] <Mez> ******************************************************************************
[05:21] <Mez> Build finished at 20050611-1550
[05:21] <Mez> FAILED [dpkg-buildpackage died] 
[05:22] <Mez> GRR
[05:25] <ogra> hmm, can someone xplain this ?
[05:25] <ogra> ogra@honk:~ $ lsmod |grep nvidia
[05:25] <ogra> ogra@honk:~ $ glxgears
[05:25] <ogra> 1390 frames in 5.0 seconds = 278.000 FPS
[05:25] <KaiL_> nvidia-driver not loaded?
[05:25] <ogra> not even installed
[05:25] <ogra> since i use breezy
[05:25] <ogra> (there is no l-r-m package yet)
[05:26] <KaiL_> that's why you get softare rendering
[05:26] <KaiL_> so where's the problem?
[05:26] <ogra> normally it shouldnt render at all....
[05:26] <KaiL_> why?
[05:26] <ogra> i never saw a nvidia card rendering any 3D stuff with the nv driver
[05:26] <KaiL_> it doesn't
[05:26] <KaiL_> the CPU does
[05:27] <Lathiat> yeh you can do softwre gl
[05:27] <ogra> argh, damned... sure....
[05:27] <Lathiat> positive
[05:27] <Lathiat> at 278 fps
[05:27] <Lathiat> it so software gl
[05:27] <Lathiat> :D
[05:27] <ogra> nvidia-glx exchanges the mesa libs...
[05:27] <Lathiat> dun matter
[05:27] <Lathiat> it just works
[05:27] <KaiL_> yes, and this exchanged file is, what breaky software render
[05:27] <ogra> (in fact its the only content of this package)
[05:27] <Lathiat> thats alli can tell you
[05:28] <ogra> KaiL_, exactly :)
[05:28] <ogra> i was just astonished to get no error abou missing glx... but normally i have the nvidia driver installed to be able to switch if needed :)
[05:29] <KaiL_> we should provide 2.6.12 packages for hoary after it gets released, including new X drivers
[05:29] <KaiL_> the 2.6.10 starts to become problematic, esp. the hd audio on Centrino2 Laptops
[05:30] <ogra> huh ? why that ? did the HW change ?
[05:30] <KaiL_> it's totally unsupported
[05:30] <ogra> so it is brandnew ?
[05:30] <KaiL_> yes
[05:31] <ogra> then lets support it with the brandnew release ;)
[05:31] <pitti> hi
[05:31] <KaiL_> Centrino2 started to sell in April
[05:31] <ogra> hey pitti 
[05:31] <ogra> KaiL_, sure... and we will support it in oct...
[05:32] <KaiL_> quite bad imho
[05:32] <Mez> hey pitti
[05:32] <ogra> not as bad as breaking a stable distribution :)
[05:33] <zyga> centrino2? 
[05:33] <zyga> what's that ;] 
[05:33] <KaiL_> I only thought about an optional 2.6.12
[05:34] <KaiL_> zyga: intel i915 Chipset, 533MHz FSB, HD Audio...
[05:34] <zyga> googling
[05:35] <ogra> KaiL_, and how do you make sure udev, HAL, hotplug, the soundserver, pcmcia ..... etc pp work safe with it ?
[05:35] <KaiL_> ogra: that's why I said _optional_
[05:35] <KaiL_> as the kde 3.4.1 on kubuntu.org
[05:37] <KaiL_> and I already have the breezy kernel installed on several hoary systems - to fix kernel related problems
[05:37] <ogra> KaiL_, thats like backporting glibc from breezy to hoary
[05:38] <KaiL_> bad enough, that I don't have such a laptop to see, if the kernel alone is enough
[05:40] <KaiL_> ipw2100 or 2200?
[05:41] <siretart> KaiL_: ipw2100
[05:41] <Lathiat> but isnt the 2100 802.11b which doesnt do wpa?
[05:41] <Lathiat> i thought that was an 802.11g thing?
[05:42] <siretart> Lathiat: wpa seems to work with newer ipw2100 drivers (according to the wpasupplicant readme)
[05:42] <Lathiat> interesting
[05:43] <siretart> I suspect that the firmware in hoarys kernel don't support wpa. but i'm not sure
[05:43] <KaiL_> the ipw drivers in hoary are both very old
[06:15] <siretart> what kernel is currently (actually and targeted) in breezy?
[06:17] <Burgundavia> siretart, 12 is targeted, if it releases in time
[06:17] <siretart> Burgundavia: are you a member of the kernel team?
[06:18] <Burgundavia> no
[06:28] <Riddell> pitti: do you know what's happened with the build of konversation 0.18?  "pkgstriptranslations: processing control file.... find: ./debian/konversation/usr/share/locale: No such file or directory"
[06:32] <pitti> Hi Riddell 
[06:32] <pitti> hm, no, didn't see that
[06:34] <Seveas> Quick question: where can i find the e-mailaddress of the us.archive.ubuntu.com maintainer? The server has been erroneous for more than a day now...
[06:34] <Amaranth> it's a known problem
[06:34] <Amaranth> meaning these guys know :)
[06:34] <Seveas> Amaranth, i know :)
[06:35] <Seveas> then why don't they fix it ;)
[06:39] <Mez> when it's being built does debian/konversation exist?
[06:41] <pitti> Riddell: I think I know what's going on, I just wonder why it doesn't fail for other packages that don't come with translations...
[06:42] <Mez> pitti: what do you think's up
[06:42] <pitti> Mez: a bug in pkgstriptranslations
[06:42] <pitti>     if [ "$dostrip" -a -z "$blacklisted" ] ; then
[06:42] <pitti>         find "$PKGDIR/usr/share/locale" -type f -name "*.mo" -exec rm '{}' \;
[06:43] <Mez> sounds.. fun
[06:43] <Mez> sounds like it's going to be a pain in the ass to fix
[06:43] <pitti> i. e. if $PKGDIR does not contain a locale directory, find exits with -1 and thus pkgstriptranslations (and the build) fails
[06:43] <Mez> well, to get into the builder
[06:43] <pitti> Mez: no, fixing is trivial
[06:43] <Mez> but to get it into the builder?
[06:44] <pitti> Mez: I upload a fixed pkgstriptranslations and as soon as it's in the dchroots, we give-back the konversation build
[06:44] <pitti> Mez: the dchroots are updated automtatically daily
[06:44] <pitti> oh, now, there already is a check
[06:44] <pitti>     [ -d "$PKGDIR/usr/share/locale" ]  || continue
[06:44] <pitti> that makes sense, otherwise the build would fail for hundreds of packages...
[06:45] <Mez> so i didnt screw up in building it?
[06:45] <Mez> making the package *
[06:46] <pitti> Mez: no, I don't think so, but let's debug this first
[06:46] <pitti> hm, eariler versions had plenty of *.po files
[06:46] <pitti> or, rather *.mo in /usr/share/locale
[06:47] <pitti> hrm - WTF???
[06:47] <jdub> Keybuk: boggle, you called it "in like flynn"?!
[06:47] <Riddell> pitti: my local chroot build of that konversation 0.18 package has lots of .mo file in /usr/share/locale
[06:47] <Keybuk> jdub: yes
[06:47] <jdub> ha ha
[06:47] <Keybuk> s/jdub/daniels/
[06:48] <Keybuk> think-o
[06:48] <Keybuk> actually, no
[06:48] <Keybuk> it was you :p
[06:48] <Keybuk> Jun 10 07:30:57 jdub    Keybuk: release name "in like flynn"
[06:48] <Keybuk> daniels just explained it <g>
[06:48] <jdub> oh
[06:49] <pitti> Riddell: do you have a readily built version on your hd?
[06:49] <Mez> I have .debs
[06:49] <Mez> well a .deb for i386
[06:49] <pitti> Riddell: if so, then it's quicker to debug
[06:50] <pitti> Mez: well, for debugging we need a readily built tree
[06:50] <Mez> ah 
[06:50] <Mez> fair enough
[06:50] <pitti> I can also build it myself, but if you already have it, it's faster
[06:50] <Riddell> pitti: yes
[06:50] <pitti> Riddell: can you please sudo apt-get install pkgstriptranslations
[06:50] <pitti> Riddell: and enable it in /etc/pkgstriptranslations.conf?
[06:51] <Mez> nvm
[06:52] <Riddell> pitti: done
[06:52] <pitti> Riddell: now please go into the build directory
[06:52] <pitti> Riddell: and do "sh -x /usr/bin/pkgstriptranslations 2>&1 > ~/strip.out
[06:52] <seb128> hey pitti 
[06:52] <pitti> Hi seb128 
[06:53] <seb128> pitti: you broken language packs
[06:53] <pitti> seb128: did you notice that some translations are now missing?
[06:53] <pitti> seb128: hehe, same thought :-)
[06:53] <pitti> seb128: I have some English menu entries
[06:54] <Riddell> pitti: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/strip.out
[06:54] <Riddell> there was a lot of output which wasn't caught with that command
[06:54] <pitti> Riddell: d'oh, so that worked?
[06:54] <pitti> Riddell: oops, right, the redirection commands need to be swapped
[06:55] <seb128> pitti: gnome-panel has no .mo with your new language pack
[06:55] <pitti> can you copy&paste the rest?
[06:55] <Mez> 1>&2
[06:55] <seb128> pitti: some french guys kicked me this morning :p
[06:55] <pitti> seb128: this was the first time I built langpacks only out of stripped tarballs
[06:55] <pitti> seb128: kick him back and yell "development version" :-)
[06:55] <pitti> seb128: but they should now have evolution translations for exchange :-)
[06:55] <seb128> yeah :)
[06:55] <Riddell> pitti: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/strip-output.text
[06:56] <pitti> Riddell: did the command succeed?
[06:56] <Riddell> pitti: it returned 0
[06:56] <pitti> grumble
[06:56] <pitti> Riddell: so it actually works, kthxbye :-)
[06:56] <pitti> no, seriously, that puzzles me
[06:56] <pitti> it explicitly checks that the directory is there
[06:58] <Treenaks> any gpg gurus around?
[06:58] <Treenaks> (or keyserver fanatics)
[06:58] <Mez> Treenaks, #gnupg
[06:58] <Treenaks> Mez: good one :)
[07:01] <Mez> soo... any ideas pitti
[07:01] <Mez> pkgstriptranslations: processing control file: ./debian/konversation/DEBIAN/control, package konversation, directory ./debian/konversation
[07:02] <Mez> /build/buildd/konversation-0.18/debian/konversation /build/buildd/konversation-0.18
[07:02] <Mez> /build/buildd/konversation-0.18
[07:02] <pitti> yeah, that's the pushd/popd
[07:02] <Mez> yeah, bu why the same dir twice?
[07:02] <jdub> daniels: ping
[07:02] <pitti> Mez: hm?
[07:03] <Mez> It lists /build/buildd/konversation-0.18 twice...
[07:03] <Mez> si it meant to ?
[07:03] <pitti> Mez: oh, pushd prints out the old and new dir (first line), popd only the old dir (2nd line)
[07:03] <Mez> ah
[07:05] <jdub> hrm, i guess it's unlikely that he's up
[07:06] <Mez> could it be somehow that it's picking up the wrong variable somehow and installing to another dir rather than the local dir
[07:06] <pitti> Mez: the first find command that puts the mo files into the tarball works fine
[07:07] <Burgundavia> jdub, I pinged you eariler, but we had some network issues
[07:07] <Mez> but ... ?
[07:07] <pitti> Mez: it must be the second or third one that remove the mo files and directories from the package directory
[07:07] <Mez> hmm/.... so how to fix?
[07:07] <Burgundavia> jdub, I was asking regarding the new them from Andyfitz
[07:07] <jdub> Burgundavia: mm?
[07:07] <Mez> and i didnt think find actually... moved anything
[07:07] <Burgundavia> jdub, had a user suggesting a theme, but I didn't know when the his new stuff was going to land
[07:08] <Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=40947
[07:08] <pitti> Mez: as long as we can't reproduce this, I can't fix it...
[07:09] <pitti> Riddell, Mez: I try again to build in a breezy dchroot
[07:10] <Mez> /usr/bin/install -c -p -m 644 konversation.gmo /build/buildd/konversation-0.18/debian/konversation//usr/share/locale/zh_CN/LC_MESSAGES/konversation.mo
[07:10] <Mez> grr
[07:10] <Mez> pitti - I built in  a breezy chroot, through pbuild, ridell built in just a general chroot.
[07:11] <Mez> it must be something that our build scrits dont do that the server does
[07:12] <pitti> Mez: most likely you don't have an activated pkgstriptranslations
[07:15] <Mez> yes, but if riddell just tried with one
[07:15] <pitti> Riddell, Mez: building the package now...
[07:16] <pitti> Mez: I mean, I can just add a "|| true" after the find commands, but I'm more interested in the actual cause
[07:18] <Mez> yeah i understand pitti
[07:18] <Mez> am gonna save you a copy of my build log
[07:18] <Mez> ;)
[07:20] <zyga> how is X transition going on?
[07:24] <Mez> pitti, do you want me to do a build with pkgdtriptranslations enabled?
[07:38] <pitti> Mez: the build finished (and I'm back), lemme try
[07:39] <Mez> so - if the build finsihed
[07:39] <pitti> (build without stripping)
[07:39] <Mez> was that with pkgstriptranslations?
[07:39] <pitti> I'm doing that manually now
[07:39] <Mez> ah fair enough
[07:40] <Mez> a full build
[07:40] <Mez> but i'm sure you know what you're doing more than me
[07:41] <pitti> find: ./debian/konversation/usr/share/locale: No such file or directory
[07:41] <pitti> aaaah
[07:43] <Mez> lmao
[07:43] <pitti> "lmao"?
[07:43] <Mez> or not
[07:43] <Mez> It's just annoying ... these things
[07:44] <Mez> laughing my ass off
[07:44] <pitti> ah
[07:44] <pitti> that's also interesting:
[07:44] <pitti> "find: warning: you have specified the -depth option after a non-option argument -type, but options are not positional (-depth affects tests specified before it as well as those specified after it).  Please specify options before other arguments.
[07:44] <pitti> "
[07:45] <pitti> I didn't see that in the build log
[07:45] <pitti> that might be the reason
[07:45] <Mez> o_O
[07:45] <Mez> fair enough
[07:45] <zyga> "find: warning: today is a full moon, please wait till tommorow"
[07:45] <Mez> yeah pitti
[07:46] <Mez> I jsut ran with striptaslations enabled,
[07:46] <Mez> and it cocked up
[07:46] <tseng> zyga: yeah i swear somedays i can do find /path -name *.foo
[07:46] <tseng> zyga: and other days i have to quote it
[07:46] <tseng> '*.foo;
[07:46] <tseng> '*.foo'
[07:47] <Mez> http://www.sourceguru.net/ubuntu/build.out.txt
[07:47] <zyga> why do we have find with that ackward syntax again?
[07:47] <pitti> that feels sooo buggy...
[07:48] <pitti> $ find ./debian/konversation/usr/share/locale -type d -empty; echo $?
[07:48] <pitti> ./debian/konversation/usr/share/locale
[07:48] <pitti> 0
[07:48] <pitti> $ find ./debian/konversation/usr/share/locale -depth -type d -empty; echo $?
[07:48] <pitti> find: ./debian/konversation/usr/share/locale: No such file or directory
[07:48] <pitti> 1
[07:48] <Mez> ouch
[07:48] <pitti> so as soon as I specify -depth, it fails if the directory is empty
[07:48] <Mez> what about
[07:48] <Mez> ind ./debian/konversation/usr/share/locale -depth -type d -depth -empty; echo $?
[07:49] <pitti> twice?
[07:49] <Mez> I mean
[07:49] <Mez> find ./debian/konversation/usr/share/locale -type d -depth -empty; echo $?
[07:49] <Mez> after -type
[07:49] <pitti> Mez: erm, that's what I did before, and find complained about the position of -depth
[07:49] <Mez> ah
 "find: warning: you have specified the -depth option after a non-option argument -type, but options are not positional (-depth affects tests specified before it as well as those specified after it).  Please specify options before other arguments.
[07:49] <zyga> pitti: find: error, complaint not found
[07:49] <Mez> pitti: sounds like a big
[07:49] <Mez> bug ?
[07:49] <pitti> indeed
[07:50] <Mez> are you setting a maxdepth
[07:50] <Mez> ?
[07:50] <pitti> no
[07:50] <pitti> the directory is *empty*
[07:51] <Mez>        -depth Process each directorys contents before the directory itself.
[07:51] <Mez> ah
[07:51] <Mez> so it is the feckong thing
[07:51] <Mez> its a find bug
[07:51] <Mez> whee
[07:51] <zyga> you've found a found bug
[07:51] <zyga> amazing :-)
[07:52] <Mez> grr
[07:52] <chol> daniels, i've debootstrap'd an ubuntu and will try to build 6.8.99.10 using your scripts
[07:53] <pitti> Mez: ok, I do the || true workaround and report it to Debian
[07:53] <Mez> and whoever makes findutils?
[07:55] <pitti> Mez: oddy enough that does not happen on my machine
[07:55] <Mez> waht doesnt?
[07:56] <Mez> the bug?
[07:56] <pitti> yes
[07:56] <pitti> and it works fine on Hoary
[07:56] <pitti> just not in Breezy
[07:56] <Mez> yeah, I think it's prob something to do with the unstable version of findutils
[07:56] <Mez> (which is still in testing)
[07:57] <jdub> the findutils changes are really annoying
[07:57] <Mez> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=findutils
[07:58] <pitti> jdub: are there more breakages?
[07:58] <Mez> I guess it only happens on things with nothing in locale
[07:59] <pitti> ah, that could be
[07:59] <pitti> hm, no
[07:59] <Mez> try dropping a fake file in there pitti, and see what happens with that find command
[07:59] <Mez> ah you obv just did
[07:59] <Mez> so findutils = broken :D whee
[08:00] <pitti> Mez: I created an empty directory "x" on my machine
[08:00] <pitti> LANG= LANGUAGE= find x -depth -type d -empty; echo $?
[08:00] <pitti> x
[08:00] <pitti> 0
[08:00] <Mez> move a couple of dirs below that and try find it
[08:00] <pitti> Mez: it doesn'T even happen for ~/x on the same machine that breaks the konversation build
[08:00] <Mez> fined bla/bla/bla/bla/x etc
[08:01] <jdub> pitti: my mutt configuration reloads the folder set using a find command... having lots of stderr spew when switching folders was really annoying ;)
[08:01] <Mez> *shrugs*
[08:01] <pitti> Mez: yep, that's it
[08:01] <Mez> so it's finds with a / in
[08:01] <Mez> well./... more than one dier
[08:01] <Mez> as i said - possibly something to do with default maxdepth setting?
[08:02] <pitti> doesn't make a difference
[08:02] <pitti> mkdir -p ~/x/y
[08:02] <pitti> $ find x/y -depth -maxdepth 10 -type d -empty; echo $?
[08:02] <pitti> find: x/y: No such file or directory
[08:02] <pitti> 1
[08:02] <Mez> freaky?
[08:03] <Mez> reckon it's debain- or upstream?
[08:03] <pitti> annyoing
[08:03] <Mez> god i cant type today
[08:03] <Mez> lemme know when youfile a bug report pitti :D
[08:03] <Mez> lol
[08:03] <Mez> anyways
[08:03] <Mez> gonna read
[08:03] <Mez> this annoyed me
[08:04] <Mez> need rest
[08:04] <pitti> Mez: shall I put you in CC? which mail address?
[08:04] <Mez> martin@sourceguru.net
[08:05] <pitti> Mez, Riddell: new pkgstriptranslations uploaded
[08:05] <pitti> Riddell: can you please ask infinity on Monday to give it back?
[08:05] <pitti> Riddell: (it needs a while until it is intalled in the dchroots)
[08:07] <Riddell> infinity is the new lamont?
[08:07] <tseng> yes.
[08:07] <pitti> yes :-)
[08:07] <lamont> although I'm not completely gone yet...
[08:08] <lamont> infinity is just present at more, and different times than me.
[08:16] <pitti> Mez: filed, CC'ed you
[08:17] <pitti> good evening everybody
[08:34] <reb> hey... im having a problem with upgrading to breezy that im not able to fix on my own
[08:36] <Keybuk> +c
[08:36] <reb> yes yes
[08:36] <reb> i dont mind that it doesnt work, im just trying to fix and understand the problem
[08:37] <Keybuk> what's the error?  bear in mind it may not actually be resolvable
[08:38] <reb> i refer you to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=208694#post208694
[08:40] <Keybuk> it's a known change
[08:40] <Keybuk> upstream changed the way find works
[08:40] <reb> how could i resolve it (could i?)
[08:40] <Mez> wait is this the find thing again
[08:40] <Mez> grr
[08:40] <Keybuk> edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-firefox.postrm and remove the offending find statement :p
[08:40] <reb> ok!
[08:41] <Mez> grr @ upstream
[08:41] <Mez> ok so... I'm sorta glad I helped cause the first occurence :D
[08:41] <reb> yay!
[08:43] <Mez> Keybuk, how do i find details of when a package was last updated?
[08:43] <Keybuk> download it and read the changelog ?
[08:44] <Mez> am too lazy to do that
[08:44] <Keybuk> what question did you mean to ask?
[08:44] <Keybuk> when did the maintainer prepare the release?
[08:44] <Keybuk> when did the maintainer build the release?
[08:44] <Keybuk> when did the maintainer upload the release?
[08:44] <Keybuk> when did the archive accept the release?
[08:44] <Keybuk> when the the buildd accept that it needed to build it?
[08:44] <crimsun> Mez: packages.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/$pool/$first_initial/$package/$version/changelog
[08:44] <Keybuk> when did the buildd finish building it
[08:45] <Keybuk> etc. etc.
[08:46] <Mez> I'm just wonderin how long findutils has been broken
[08:46] <Keybuk> could be anything up to ~4-5 months ago
[08:46] <Keybuk> since hoary UVF
[08:47] <Mez> so... why only picked up now
[08:47] <Keybuk> UVF.
[08:47] <Keybuk> we stop taking new upstream versions at a certain point in the release process
[08:48] <Keybuk> and then concentrate on bug fixing, and taking only important changes, etc.
[08:48] <Mez> yeah but i mean, it's been used for how long in breezy
[08:48] <Mez> and breezy isnt locked yet is it?
[08:48] <Keybuk> could've been waiting on a merge
[08:48] <Keybuk> could've been held up by other breakage and only just built
[08:48] <Keybuk> or it could've only just been uploaded to Debian
[08:48] <Keybuk> I'd guess waiting on a merge, because we had 1ubuntu1 in hoary so it would've needed one
[08:48] <Keybuk> merges are manual
[08:49] <Mez> says was ubdasted o -2 on 9th june
[08:49] <Mez> that may be why
[08:50] <Mez> I need a pint?
[08:50] <Mez> i need a pint *
[08:50] <Mez> fancy meeting me for one keybuk?
[08:50] <Mez> lol (nah i gots work to do)
[08:50] <Keybuk> :)  sadly, I'm entertaining this evening
[08:51] <Mez> can i come ? :P
[08:51] <Keybuk> (when they turn up and drag me away from dpkg hacking)
[08:51] <Mez> lol - fair enough
[08:52] <Mez> I've got nothing to do till my gf comes tomrrow... lol... but really fancy a pint
[08:52] <Mez> cept maybe sleep
[08:53] <Mez> some other time eh Keybuk  ??? :P
[08:53] <Keybuk> yup
[08:53] <daniels> jdub: pong
[08:54] <daniels> chol: i can guarantee you it will fail
[08:54] <Mez> lol
[08:54] <chol> daniels, sure did :)
[08:54] <Mez> sounds fun
[08:55] <chol> daniels, built it regularly on a debian.. got "loader failed".. whatever that means
[08:56] <chol> so i'm having a hard time confirming the error
[08:56] <chol> tried against solaris x 6.x.x and it works there
[08:58] <chol> daniels, are you using brandens xfree build scripts originally?
[08:58] <daniels> 'loader failed' where?  during the build process?  when you start?
[08:58] <daniels> chol: not 'branden's', as such
[08:58] <chol> at startup, some modules fails to load
[08:58] <chol> seen the error on mailing lists but no direct answer
[08:58] <daniels> chol: ishikawa mutsumi took branden's 4.1 packaging and made it into 4.2.  i took ishikawa's 4.2 packaging and made it into 4.3.  fabio and I took my 4.3 packaging and made it into xorg 6.8.  i've maintained it from then on in.
[08:59] <daniels> chol: delete everything under /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/modules and start again
[08:59] <chol> i'll try, even though projectroot is /usr/xorg this affects?
[08:59] <daniels> ah, dunno
[09:00] <Amaranth> does anyone know of a cd burning app that doesn't use cdrecord and isn't k3b?
[09:00] <daniels> the module loader is complete crap, i think it searches /usr/X11R6 even when building with a different projectroot
[09:00] <Amaranth> oh, and not that new one in ubuntu either, it doesn't blank cd-rws
[09:00] <chol> daniels, i'll give it a try
[09:02] <chol> daniels, with logverbose i see some unresolved symbols that probablys the culprit
[09:02] <chol> i'll rebuild it all with the xfree install out of the way
[09:02] <mdz> doko: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/libj/libjessie-java/1.0.0-1ubuntu1/libjessie-java_1.0.0-1ubuntu1_20050610-2245-i386-failed.gz
[09:03] <daniels> chol: awesome
[09:03] <chol> daniels, sweet dreams :)
[09:05] <Amaranth> Serpentine has some...issues
[09:05] <Amaranth> "Do you want to record your musics?"
[09:05] <Amaranth> "You are about to record a media disc. Canceling a writing operation will make your disc unusable."
[09:05] <Amaranth> then it tells me canceling will ruin the disc but it asks if i want to cancel
[09:14] <doko> mdz: I know. I would really like to have java-gcj-compat and ecj-bootstrap in universe for two days, until we have finished the things we need
[09:17] <mdz> doko: how would this help?
[09:18] <mdz> I cannot reproduce the failure here; seems like a missing dep
[09:19] <jdub> mdz: (hadess was just asking me if you got his email)
[09:19] <mdz> who is hadess?
[09:19] <jdub> mdz: (sorry, bastien nocera)
[09:19] <mdz> yes, I do have an email from him dated June 10th (yesterday)
[09:19] <jdub> ok
[09:20] <mdz> I also have email from June 7th, 8th and 9th that I haven't responded to yet
[09:20] <jdub> same
[09:20] <jdub> i hate email atm
[09:20] <doko> mdz: buildable ecj-bootstrap, buildable java-gcj-compat
[09:20] <Amaranth> serpentine has died :/
[09:20] <doko> installable java-gcj-compat
[09:21] <wasabi_> hi
[09:21] <Keybuk> mdz: this is the trouble you get for having a reputation as someone who responds to e-mail
[09:21] <Mez> whereas keybuk I think leans on the delete button for half an hour a day :P
[09:22] <Keybuk> Mez: dude, I have scripts that do that for me :p
[09:22] <Mez> oh yeah
[09:22] <Mez> I forogt...
[09:22] <Mez> Keybuk = geek
[09:23] <Keybuk> "I sent you an HTML e-mail with a 200MB attachment, why didn't you get it?"
[09:23] <Keybuk> "I sent an e-mail to every single e-mail address of yours I could find, why didn't you get it?"
[09:23] <Keybuk> "I sent you the same e-mail 200 times, why didn't you get it?"
[09:23] <Keybuk> etc.
[09:24] <daniels> (to every address, HTML-formatted, with uncompressed xorg build logs from every architecture attached.)
[09:24] <Keybuk> daniels: after about the third, you get rejected at the SMTP level
[09:24] <Keybuk> actually, _you_ wouldn't because you're in my address book
[09:24] <Keybuk> so you can send me whatever you like
[09:24] <daniels> \o/
[10:06] <mdz> doko: they seem to be installable, as they are being used for build-deps
[10:07] <mdz> doko: if they are not buildable, then we should just fix that
[10:07] <mdz> doko: they were installable and buildable at the time I moved them into main
[10:13] <doko> mdz: ok, think I found, it's libant1.6-java, which is broken. so, if a buildd admin is here (lamont?), then it should be fixable by building ant with a fixed libant1.6-java on the buildd.
[10:14] <doko> lamont, infinity: ^^^
[10:17] <Mez> o_O
[10:17] <Mez> what the ****
[10:17] <Mez> how can thingsget into the repository without having a signed .dsc
[10:50] <Mez> any devs here want to sponsor my package for breezy? seeing as I cant upload myselg (gaim 1.3.1
[10:50] <seb128> no
[10:50] <seb128> I'm going to sync this one on Debian
[10:51] <dogfoodbrain> Ubuntu es la mejor distribucin de Linux del mundo.
[10:51] <Mez> :'(
[10:51] <Mez> but thtas what i alreday did
[10:51] <tseng> Mez: dud eI thought I told you
[10:51] <Mez> told me what tseng?
[10:51] <tseng> running uupdate doesnt help anyone that much
[10:52] <Mez> tseng
[10:52] <Mez> I just merged from debian :P
[10:52] <tseng> Mez
[10:52] <seb128> which is pretty useless
[10:52] <Mez> so that isnt running uupdate now is it
[10:52] <seb128> that's faster to merge than to get your package and review it
[10:52] <Mez> lol
[10:52] <tseng> no, its even less work
[10:52] <tseng> we do it automatically
[10:53] <Mez> *shrugs*
[10:53] <Mez> fair enough
[10:53] <tseng> if you want to help out maybe read up on the CXX transition
[10:53] <tseng> or go through gnome bugs on bugzilla
[10:53] <tseng> then KDE bugs
[10:53] <Mez> I just built gaim cause i backported it for hoary ...
[10:54] <Mez> just as i backported konv 0.18 for hoary, then built for breezy
[10:54] <seb128> thanks anyway
[10:54] <tseng> why are you backporting things that arent in breezy?
[10:54] <seb128> but that's not useful :)
[10:55] <doko> Mez: k3b needs some love ...
[10:59] <Mez> lol
[10:59] <Mez> I'll remember that
[11:00] <Choubaka> Would anyone here happen to know what's the support for suspending on those HP laptops that ship with the special HP Ubuntu? According to the forum it seems the changes would be incorporated to Ubuntu (breezy/hoary?) at some point. The wiki says suspending doesn't quite work, but that info may be outdated :/
[11:01] <seb128> Mez: have you used a .orig.tar.gz or made it native debian as the Debian package?
[11:02] <Mez> for what seb128 
[11:03] <seb128> about what were we talking 2 min ago?
[11:03] <Mez> gaim
[11:03] <Mez> i used orig.tar.gz
[11:03] <seb128> k, you have your answer
[11:03] <seb128> so you diverge from Debian :/
[11:04] <Mez> I use the orig.tar.gz and diff.gz from debian
[11:04] <Mez> and then I rebuild .
[11:04] <seb128> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gaim/
[11:04] <seb128> 1.3.1 has no .orig.tar.gz
[11:04] <seb128> they screwed somewhere
[11:04] <Mez> oh
[11:04] <seb128> that's a native debian package
[11:04] <Mez> then i jsut go thte orgic.tar.gz and rebuilt
[11:04] <Mez> I think
[11:05] <seb128> k, so you don't even know what you did
[11:05] <seb128> you didn't merge with Debian
[11:05] <Mez> I cant remember
[11:05] <seb128> I'll update, thanks anyway
[11:05] <Mez> I think the orig.tar.gz included the debian/ dir
[11:05] <Mez> so i just built once I downloaded it
[11:05] <seb128> there is no .orig.tar.gz
[11:05] <Mez> or whatever file it was on debian
[11:06] <Mez> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gaim/gaim_1.3.1-1.tar.gz
[11:06] <Mez> donwloaded that
[11:06] <Mez> untarred
[11:06] <Mez> changed the debian directory for changelog
[11:06] <Mez> etc
[11:06] <Mez> and pdebuild'd it
[11:07] <Mez> ah yes
[11:07] <Mez> seems to have made a native debian package for it on ubuntu too
[11:07] <Mez> http://www.sourceguru.net/ubuntu/breezy/
[11:07] <seb128> have you updated the translation.patch?
[11:08] <Mez> er no...
[11:08] <Mez> I knmwe I'd forgotten something
[11:09] <seb128> k, so I'll upload your package next time, sorry for this one :)
[11:09] <Mez> ??
[11:09] <Mez> lol
[11:09] <seb128> just wondering if I should upload your build or update
[11:09] <Mez> *shrugs*
[11:10] <Mez> i forgot that translation thing
[11:10] <seb128> but since you seems to have forgotten some part I'll use my build
[11:10] <seb128> yeah, that's why
[11:10] <Mez> but it seems to work ok on hoary without it
[11:10] <seb128> sure it works
[11:10] <seb128> there is only less translations
[11:10] <Mez> ah
[11:10] <Mez> fair enough
[11:10] <seb128> I'm building 1.3.1 with the translations so don't bother
[11:10] <seb128> thanks anyway
[11:10] <Mez> kk
[11:21] <jdub> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/breezy/
[11:22] <jdub> ^ if anyone wants to try the latest clearlooks
[11:22] <Mez> jdub - should e be scared
[11:22] <Mez> s/e/we/
[11:25] <tseng> jdub: hm
[11:25] <tseng> jdub: gradients
[11:25] <tseng> oh man that fucked my panel all up
[11:25] <Lathiat> jdub: source package so i can rebuild for hoary?
[11:26] <Mez> damn you lathiay
[11:26] <Mez> I was gonna sk for that
[11:29] <jdub> Lathiat: didn't bother uploading those
[11:29] <Lathiat> jdub: i noticed, thats why im asking for it?:)
[11:47] <whiprush> jdub: some friends and I are gonna work on fridge tonight. Is there anything we should do other than trying out different blocks and whatnot?
[11:48] <tseng> whiprush: make it "chill"
[11:48] <jdub> whiprush: lots of ideas for advocacy and interactive stuff
[11:48] <whiprush> right
[11:48] <whiprush> what about this civicspace shit?
[11:48] <tseng> whiprush: are we going to rip off getfirefox?
[11:48] <jdub> spreadfirefox has a lot of good starting ideas
[11:49] <tseng> yeah, spread
[11:49] <whiprush> tseng: not totally. It's a good place to start though
[11:49] <tseng> and actually track 10x10
[11:49] <whiprush> yup.
[11:49] <tseng> <3
[11:49] <jdub> whiprush: cool ideas for helping loco teams and software freedom day would be rad too
[11:49] <whiprush> on it.
[11:49] <tseng> whiprush: just tell me when i get my little web button
[11:50] <jdub> whiprush: we already have lots of good ideas for content, i think it's that stuff above that are black holes atm
[11:50] <whiprush> jdub: I really want to move to a working site soon. I'd like to hit low hanging fruit and stuff
[11:51] <jdub> whiprush: you're welcome to do anything you want on the current one
[11:51] <whiprush> ok.
[11:51] <jdub> whiprush: i just don't want to put make it more public until we've nailed down a lot of it
[11:51] <whiprush> will it be easy to migrate or are we just prototyping. I don't want to put too much effort into it if we're going to start over.
[11:51] <whiprush> but I'll be more than happy to break it
[11:51] <jdub> it'll be pretty easy to migrate
[11:52] <whiprush> any word on artwork? I'd love a sneak peek.
[11:52] <jdub> if you want to play with particular modules that need to be installed or anything, just ping
[11:52] <jdub> only what andy's done so far, which you've sen
[11:53] <jdub> haven't got any drops from him recently
[11:53] <sivang> jdub: hey jeff, 'sup? would it be too rude if I asked what are you discussing? ;-)
[11:53] <jdub> sivang: the fridge
[11:53] <whiprush> k, we'll update the spec as we work tonite. off to the bar.
[11:53] <jdub> whiprush: rawk :)
[11:54] <jdub> whiprush: oh, and if you want more people added to the list before First Mail, let me know :)
[11:55] <whiprush> I will
[11:57] <sivang> jdub: who's fridge is it?
[11:58] <jdub> soon, it will be the world's fridge
[11:59] <sivang> jdub: will stuff related to the fridge be discussed on the locoteams mailing list?
[12:00] <sivang> jdub: (I do keep reading it, if not keeping too current on -devel and others)