[12:05] <Seveas> Mez, motu do not have to be coders
[12:06] <Seveas> they have to be packagers
[12:12] <Amaranth> being a coder helps though
[12:12] <Amaranth> but it's not required if you know how to make a package
[12:23] <lesliev> Wow, this channel is busy for this time of night...
[12:24] <\sh> ok..going to bed now :)
[12:24] <\sh> cu gentlemen :)
[12:26] <lesliev> cu!
[12:29] <lesliev> I am a packaging newbie. I am reading the Debian Maintainers guide.
[12:29] <lesliev> The atmosphere was thick in the channel
[12:30] <lesliev> We hung around with baited breaths
[12:30] <lesliev> Each member eyeing the others, too nervous to speak
[12:33] <Unfrgiven> \sh: ping?
[12:34] <Unfrgiven> hey all
[12:34] <Unfrgiven> how do i apply a debdiff?
[12:41] <lesliev> Sorry, I don't know. I'm coming back at a more reasonable time.
[12:41] <lesliev> Seeya later y'all!
[12:56] <Mez> ah
[12:57] <Unfrgiven> \sh: i've updated libflash. its ready to upload
[12:57] <Mez> glad i dont need to be a coder
[01:25] <Mez> you know when you run dh_make
[01:25] <Mez> where does it get the details from
[01:28] <Mez> so
[01:28] <Mez> is anyone here bored and fancy walking me through my first new package
[01:43] <Unfrgiven> Mez: i can help you
[01:43] <Unfrgiven> Mez: what would you like to do?
[01:53] <Mez> I was just wondeirng if someone would walk me through the process of making a package
[01:55] <Amaranth> debian new maintainer's guide
[01:55] <Amaranth> it walks you through the process
[01:58] <Mez> yeah I know it does :D
[01:58] <Mez> but ...
[01:58] <Mez> I want someone to "babysit me"
[02:12] <Riddell> Mez, \sh: I havn't looked at konversation 0.18, if someone wants to do that it would be great
[02:17] <Mez> Riddell, I've built a package for 0.18
[02:17] <Mez> well for hoary
[02:18] <Mez> it shouldnt be too bad for breezy (I just need a chrooot for it
[03:53] <Nafallo> tseng: mono is no good for me
[03:54] <Nafallo> tseng: I installed f-spot and started importing my ~. guess what 99.9% of the pictures are?
[03:54] <Nafallo> tseng: PORN!!! *sigh* ;-)
[03:54] <Nafallo> 15700 pics for the record :-P
[04:00] <|QuaD-> thats a lot
[04:00] <Nafallo> hmm, my swap get's used. first time since I installed
[04:03] <Nafallo> *sigh* were ARE all those pictures? I didn't know I had them...
[04:03] <Nafallo> s/we/whe/
[04:09] <tseng> Nafallo: hm
[04:09] <tseng> Nafallo: we should have a weekly ubuntu porn day
[04:09] <Nafallo> tseng: I win ;-)
[04:09] <tseng> oh man
[04:09] <tseng> that drive was the WORST
[04:10] <Nafallo> tseng: btw, 2GB memory is used :-P
[04:10] <tseng> im so sore
[04:10] <tseng> Nafallo: so stop indexing so much pr0n
[04:10] <Nafallo> not my fault.
[04:11] <tseng> thats what they all say
[04:11] <Nafallo> I want it to finish so that I can see where it found it :-P
[04:11] <Nafallo> I haven't seen those before ;-)
[04:12] <Mez> anyone here wanna test my package? (t need ssponsoring too)
[04:18] <|QuaD-> he ran out of memory :)
[04:19] <Mez> lol
[04:22] <Nafallo> my laptop frooze ;-)
[04:23] <|QuaD-> Nafallo: i figured
[04:23] <Mez> out of memore?
[04:23] <Nafallo> indeed ;-)
[04:23] <|QuaD-> hehe
[04:23] <Nafallo> 1GB + 1GB isn't enough it seems ;-)
[04:23] <|QuaD-> is that 1gb ram, 1gb swap?
[04:23] <Nafallo> yes :-)
[04:23] <Mez> 1gb + 2gb :P
[04:24] <Nafallo> hehe
[04:24] <|QuaD-> lol
[04:24] <Mez> double size of RAM
[04:24] <Mez> :P
[04:24] <ajmitch> Nafallo: I had the same, except I watched & killed beagle before it killed my box
[04:24] <Nafallo> ajmitch: f-spot indexing pictures ;-)
[04:24] <ajmitch> ah..
[04:24] <ajmitch> I haven't tried that yet
[04:24] <Amaranth> so f-spot is a leaky bitch?
[04:24] <Nafallo> ajmitch: I had 15700 ;-)
[04:25] <Nafallo> Amaranth: naah. I got to much porn :-P
[04:25] <Amaranth> the people showing off f-spot always have like 40000 pictures
[04:25] <Nafallo> ooh. diffrent kind of porn now :-)
[04:25] <Nafallo> pictures from ubuntu conferences :-)
[04:26] <Amaranth> you went to udu?
[04:26] <Nafallo> nope, just curled pictures from others :-)
[04:28] <Nafallo> tseng: is it supposed to die when it's done indexing? ;-)
[04:28] <tseng> no?
[04:29] <tseng> its supposed to sit like a good beagle and wait
[04:29] <Nafallo> tseng: it just did. and I haven't got anything left to index :-P
[04:29] <Nafallo> so I can't reproduce :-P
[04:52] <mez> oh for feck sake
[07:36] <jay> Currently in breezy beep-media-player uses the default theme that comes with it.  There exists a theme (http://www2.potsdam.edu/sprang31/HumanSkin.tar.gz) that goes along with Human that looks really nice and would blend in with the desktop well.  How do I go about getting this in?
[09:01] <ivoks> 'morning
[10:01] <mitsuhiko> hi
[10:14] <mitsuhiko> can someone explain me why ubuntu uses esd as sound server?
[10:24] <mitsuhiko> hi ivoks
[10:25] <mitsuhiko> can you explain me why ubuntu uses esd as sound server?
[10:25] <ivoks> mitsuhiko: gnome uses esd, not ubuntu
[10:26] <mitsuhiko> hm. i see
[10:26] <ivoks> you can disable esd and choose ALSA in gstreamer properties
[10:26] <mitsuhiko> ivoks, or jack
[10:26] <ivoks> or jack...
[10:27] <mitsuhiko> esd is buggy and dead
[10:27] <ivoks> true
[10:28] <mitsuhiko> and since december alsa was stoppped
[10:28] <ivoks> lol
[10:28] <mitsuhiko> sorry. arts
[10:29] <mitsuhiko> thx for the information
[10:29] <ivoks> np
[10:57] <Mez> hmm anyone awake?
[10:58] <mitsuhiko> me
[10:58] <Mez> anyone who's actually a MOTU?
[10:58] <Mez> (sorry if you are)
[10:58] <mitsuhiko> ivoks
[11:34] <thom_> hi, getting some nvidia dependancy problems, is it legit to discuss those ehre?
[11:35] <Mez> thom_ shouldnt be a problewm - but i dont think anyones awake enough to answer you :P
[11:38] <thom_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:38] <thom_>   nvidia-glx: Depends: xlibmesa-glu but it is not going to be installed or
[11:38] <thom_>                        libglu but it is not installable or
[11:38] <thom_>                        libglu1
[11:39] <siretart> hi
[11:39] <thom_> hi
[11:39] <thom_> if no-ones awake enough I'll drop by later
[11:40] <siretart> Mez: the topic says to not complain about X for the next 2 weeks, so your probably out of luck ;)
[11:40] <Mez> why you telling me that
[11:40] <Mez> tell thom_
[11:41] <thom_> yeeah, sorry about that, wasn't sure how strictly not complaing about X was defined
[11:41] <ivoks> :)
[11:42] <Mez> anyone willing to check my breezy pacakge? /sponsor it
[11:42] <thom_> well, see you all in two weeks then!
[11:42] <siretart> Mez: oh, sorry. I'm not really awake yet :/
[11:43] <siretart> ah, now I realize, thom_ is not thom :)
[11:43] <Mez> :P
[11:43] <ivoks> :>>
[11:43] <thom_> lol
[11:43] <ivoks> kick him! :)
[11:43] <thom_> indeed, not the first time thats happened
[11:43] <Mez> yeah I was like "why's thom asking"
[11:43] <Mez> then realised it was thom_
[11:43] <Mithrandir> thom_: you might want to change your nick to something else to avoid confusion. :-)
[11:43] <ivoks> yeah
[11:43] <siretart> please!
[11:43] <thom_> good plan batman
[11:44] <siretart> ah, hi Mithrandir
[11:44] <Mithrandir> hi siretart
[11:45] <siretart> Mithrandir: say, I read on the debian nx mailing list there is a meeting about packaging nx. did you discuss privately appoint a time for it?
[11:45] <siretart> err, s/discuss//
[11:46] <siretart> lol!
[11:46] <NotThomMay> :) done and done
[11:46] <Mithrandir> NotThomMay :-)
[11:46] <Mithrandir> excellent nick. :P
[11:46] <Mithrandir> siretart: Roberto C Sanchez proposed Monday or Tuesday at 2000 UTC
[11:47] <NotThomMay> why thankyou
[11:47] <Mithrandir> siretart: I haven't replied yet, but going to today.
[11:47] <siretart> ok. great
[11:50] <siretart> does anybody know If nautilus in hoary is supposed to support webdavs?
[11:50] <siretart> on sarge, it works, on hoary, I have problems
[11:50] <mitsuhiko> siretart: In Nautilus?
[11:50] <mitsuhiko> works fine for me
[11:50] <siretart> yes, in nautilus
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[11:51] <siretart> hm
[11:53] <siretart> I'm asked a password, but then I get that error message. strange
[11:53] <mitsuhiko> siretart. will try. pls wait a moment
[11:56] <mitsuhiko> siretart: your'e right
[11:56] <mitsuhiko> same problem
[11:56] <siretart> hm
[11:56] <mitsuhiko> should be fixed
[11:56] <mitsuhiko> in the meanwhile you can try davfs
[11:57] <siretart> in hoary? hmhm
[11:57] <siretart> davfs?
[11:57] <mitsuhiko> yes. should work
[11:57] <siretart> you mean instead nautilus, right?
[11:57] <mitsuhiko> dav.sf.net
[11:58] <mitsuhiko> you can mount dav servers
[11:58] <siretart> mitsuhiko: well, thats not packaged in hoary, and needs a kernel module.. hmhm..
[12:04] <mitsuhiko> hm. I've used it on warty and had only to unpack it
[12:04] <mitsuhiko> DanielN, hi
[12:12] <ivoks> dav doesn't need kernel moduls
[12:12] <ivoks> siretart: webdav works in nautilus
[12:13] <siretart> ivoks: davfs does, according to the website.
[12:13] <siretart> ivoks: hm. could be a problem of gmx.net then..
[12:14] <ivoks> davfs?
[12:14] <ivoks> what do you need that for?
[12:14] <siretart> ivoks: mitsuhiko suggested using it instead of nautilus
[12:15] <ivoks> well, coda is allready in kernel
[12:16] <mitsuhiko> ivoks: I'm getting problems when I try to connect to a secured dav server via nautlius
[12:16] <ivoks> and neon is in ubuntu
[12:16] <ivoks> so, there should be no problem compiling this for ubuntu
[12:16] <siretart> mitsuhiko: did you try gmx?
[12:17] <mitsuhiko> siretart: yes
[12:17] <mitsuhiko> hm. I try to connect to my win2003 sharepoint
[12:18] <mitsuhiko> hm. won't work
[12:18] <siretart> :(
[12:18] <mitsuhiko> therefore I must connect from a win2k box
[12:19] <ivoks> hm...
[12:19] <ivoks> are you sure your server is ok?
[12:19] <ivoks> cause, i never had problems with webdav and nautilus
[12:19] <mitsuhiko> is a gmx server
[12:19] <siretart> ivoks: yesterday, exact that server worked with nautilus on sarge
[12:20] <ivoks> siretart: and sarge has what version of nautilus?
[12:21] <siretart> ivoks: 2.8.2-2
[12:21] <ivoks> then ubuntu has newer, i doubt that something is wrong with nautilus
[12:23] <ivoks> i have dav server and works fine with hoary nautilus
[12:24] <ivoks> you are both trying on same server?
[12:25] <ivoks> "If GMX does
[12:25] <ivoks> not support DAV properly it is their business."
[12:25] <ivoks> http://mailman.lyra.org/pipermail/sitecopy/2005-February/001563.html
[12:26] <ivoks> gmx != webdav
[12:26] <siretart> ivoks: in principle, yes, but can you prove that this is their fault? remember nautlius on sarge and in breezy are fine
[12:26] <ivoks> siretart: well, lots of people are complaining on same error
[12:26] <ivoks> so, i would say, yes, it's their fault
[12:27] <siretart> thats no proof ;)
[12:27] <ivoks> they don't comply to RFC...
[12:27] <ivoks> that's a prrof
[12:27] <ivoks> proof
[12:27] <siretart> well, being rfc or not, the are providing 1 gig space for free ;)
[12:28] <ivoks> siretart: that's irrelevant what they do, they aren't real webdav service
[12:28] <ivoks> and none distribution should change to support some non-standard services
[12:29] <ivoks> if you are their user, maybe you could conntact them to provide some standard services
[12:29] <siretart> ivoks: that was a request from the user mailing list.
[12:30] <siretart> ivoks: see, web.de for example also does not provide a real imap server, for performance reasons. but mostly all imap clients in ubuntu happen to work with web.de
[12:31] <ivoks> and your point is...?
[12:32] <ivoks> they made changes that don't crash imap protocol
[12:32] <siretart> and for this dav thingy, well. nautilus SEEMS to no longer work with gmx. I consider that a regression
[12:32] <ivoks> gmx made changes that crash HTTP protocol
[12:32] <siretart> ivoks: oh, thats not excactly right. conforming imap clients DO crash
[12:32] <ivoks> siretart: and that's a good thing
[12:33] <ivoks> you can't change app because of one service that uses non-standard protocol
[12:33] <ivoks> you just can't!
[12:34] <ivoks> should we change openldap just because MS ActiveDirectory doesn't work with standard LDAP protocol?
[12:34] <siretart> ivoks: please, lets calm down. in the first place, I want to find out if thats really a regression at all, or just some bogon emitter in my dsl
[12:34] <ivoks> siretart: i'm calm :)
[12:35] <ivoks> siretart: that can't be regression
[12:36] <ivoks> regression is by definition reverting to less perfect state
[12:36] <siretart> if something doesn't work as excpected anymore, thats a regression :P
[12:36] <ivoks> ?
[12:36] <ivoks> did you heard anything i said?
[12:36] <ivoks> gmx doesn't use standard protocol
[12:37] <siretart> yes, very well
[12:37] <ivoks> you can't support something that isn't documented
[12:37] <siretart> you don't know that
[12:37] <ivoks> i don't know what?
[12:37] <ivoks> that gmx doesn't use standard protocol?
[12:37] <ivoks> i know that :)
[12:37] <ivoks> telnet to it
[12:38] <ivoks> you will see headers are wrong
[12:38] <siretart> I don't know how to speek webdav
[12:39] <ivoks> webdav is plain html
[12:39] <siretart> I don't think so. ;)
[12:39] <Treenaks> ivoks: no, webdav is plain HTTP :)
[12:39] <ivoks> nothing fancy
[12:39] <ivoks> Treenaks: lol, right :)
[12:39] <siretart> hehe
[12:41] <ivoks> siretart: webdav is plain HTTP
[12:41] <ivoks> siretart: you should know that langugage :)
[12:42] <Treenaks> ivoks: well, getting stuff is easy, uploading is a bit harder
[12:42] <ivoks> Treenaks: sure, but we are talking about wrong AUTH here
[12:42] <ivoks> easy to track
[12:42] <Treenaks> ivoks: yes, authentication is plain http authentication.. Basic or Digest or something else
[12:43] <DanielN`Cxx> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[12:43] <DanielN`Cxx> what means that=
[12:43] <ivoks> siretart: then listen to people that do, gmx speeks HTTP just as badly as you do :)
[12:43] <ivoks> DanielN`Cxx: you don't have gcc instalated or libc-dev
[12:44] <DanielN`Cxx> lol'
[12:44] <siretart> DanielN`Cxx: install 'build-essential'
[12:44] <DanielN`Cxx> have that installed :/
[12:44] <DanielN`Cxx> mhm
[12:46] <DanielN`Cxx> mhm
[12:46] <DanielN`Cxx> that's crazy here...
[12:46] <DanielN`Cxx> i update debian/control... then i debuild the package, and debian/control is gonna set back to the original state :/
[12:47] <ivoks> :)
[12:47] <ivoks> i hate that .in too :)
[12:47] <DanielN`Cxx> yeo
[12:47] <DanielN`Cxx> ,,,
[12:51] <ivoks> i'll be back
[12:53] <ivoks> Treenaks: what is good way to build packages from CVS?
[12:53] <ivoks> Treenaks: run autoconf and then tar/gzip dir and do package from that .tar.gz?
[12:53] <Treenaks> ivoks: I don't know
[12:53] <ivoks> ok :)
[12:54] <Treenaks> oh wait
[12:54] <Treenaks> from cvs
[12:54] <Treenaks> yes
[12:54] <Treenaks> cvs export
[12:55] <Treenaks> then autogen or autoconf or whatever
[12:55] <Treenaks> (doesn't it have a "make dist" target?)
[12:55] <ivoks> heh, didn't check
[12:55] <ivoks> yes, it has
[12:57] <ivoks> siretart: just to check...
[12:58] <ivoks> siretart: you are trying to connect to https://dfs.gmx.net?
[12:58] <ivoks> siretart: not to dfs.gmx.net/somedir/?
[12:58] <ivoks> cause...
[12:58] <ivoks> The URL "https://dfs.gmx.net/" is not DAV enabled
[12:59] <ivoks> neither is http://dfs.gmx.net
[01:00] <ivoks> they are using some kind of proxy... lots of things can be missconfigured... apache, proxy, webdav modul...
[01:01] <ivoks> bottom line: bad, bad webdav service :)
[01:08] <zyga> helo
[01:08] <zyga> hello ;-)
[01:14] <zyga> scummvm package has a desktop file but it is not copied to /usr/share/applications
[01:15] <siretart> zyga: thanks for noticing. could you prepare a fixed package? ;)
[01:17] <zyga> siretart: I'll try to make a patch
[01:17] <zyga> siretart: will you commit it ;]  ?
[01:18] <siretart> zyga: I will happily apply it, or sonsor your package :)
[01:18] <zyga> siretart: I'm not good at making packages yet and have no time to learn today, a patch will do :)
[01:19] <siretart> zyga: ah, no problem, was a bit joking :)
[01:19] <siretart> zyga: will look into it when I find time. a patch making it easier for me would help ;)
[01:20] <zyga> siretart: scummv has no i18n at all so the patch will be crude (I also added polish translation)
[01:21] <siretart> zyga: great! :)
[01:25] <zyga> siretart: hmm, strange - How do I make sure that given file is removed? I patched debian/rules and debian/scummvm.dirs
[01:28] <ivoks> hi
[01:29] <siretart> hi ivoks
[01:30] <ivoks> how do i download sources from sid?
[01:30] <ivoks> if i have sid's deb-src in my sources.list?
[01:30] <siretart> zyga: have to download build dependencies
[01:30] <siretart> ivoks: try apt-get source -tunstable foo
[01:30] <siretart> just a guess
[01:30] <ivoks> hm...
[01:30] <ivoks> i tried -t unstable
[01:30] <zyga> siretart: ? I have build depentencies but how does that help?
[01:31] <siretart> zyga: will look into it when my download finished
[01:31] <zyga> siretart: I have a patch ready
[01:31] <zyga> siretart: I'll test it - maybe it just works
[01:32] <ivoks> siretart: nope, that's not it :)
[01:33] <siretart> zyga: send it to me :)
[01:33] <zyga> siretart: mail?
[01:34] <siretart> zyga: siretart@tauware.de
[01:36] <zyga> siretart: away
[01:39] <siretart> zyga: excellent job! you rock!
[01:39] <siretart> did you test that patch? it looks sane, though
[01:39] <zyga> siretart: I tried
[01:40] <zyga> siretart: I built the source but I was unable to build the .deb
[01:40] <siretart> ok
[01:40] <zyga> they use some strange makefile/configure combination
[01:40] <dopey> is there any way for a debian maintainer to know/find out/be told about it when somebody from ubuntu-motu pulls their package into universe ?
[01:42] <zyga> siretart: BTW, about ubuntu policy, does this patch ever make into hoary?
[01:42] <siretart> zyga: no. I will upload it to breezy. only really serious bugs are fixed in hoary
[01:42] <zyga> siretart: for example, today I've sent full i18n patch for contact-lookup-applet
[01:43] <zyga> siretart: and, since it's a translation *for* hoary, hoary users would only benefit from it
[01:43] <zyga> siretart: I doubt that it's up to date for breezy or head for that matter
[01:44] <siretart> zyga: well, that you would have to discuss in #ubuntu-devel, but I don't think that translation updates are allowed for hoary either
[01:44] <zyga> siretart: strange
[01:44] <zyga> siretart: that package had no polish translation at all
[01:44] <zyga> siretart: what's bad about uploading that?
[01:45] <siretart> zyga: uploads to hoary are restriced for stability reasons.
[01:45] <zyga> siretart: how does a translation break stability?
[01:45] <zyga> siretart: I understand the general stuff but this is not program modification
[01:46] <siretart> zyga: as said, you would have to discuss it in #ubuntu with the release managers for hoary. I would also see no problems with translation updates in hoary-updates, but I havn't seen any yet
[01:46] <zyga> siretart: I see
[01:47] <zyga> siretart: I'll try - it does not hurt
[01:47] <siretart> zyga: I see scummvm is c++ too. we are in the cxx transistion, so I cannot upload your patch right now :(
[01:48] <zyga> siretart: :/
[01:48] <siretart> other than that, scummvm does not build with g++-4.0 either. But I will look into it when the library transition is done
[01:48] <zyga> siretart: I guess each package should have -docs -i18n -data and -binary
[01:49] <siretart> zyga: yes, but that are binary packages. we dont patch binary packages but source packages. and scummvm is excactly 1 source package, which FTBFS
[01:50] <zyga> FTBFS?
[01:50] <siretart> fails to build from source
[01:51] <zyga> siretart: I see
[01:51] <siretart> sorry, that acronym is quite common here ;)
[01:51] <zyga> siretart: I'll check why it fails to build with gcc 4 :-)
[01:53] <siretart> that would be great
[01:56] <herve> hello from herveland!
[01:59] <zyga> siretart: strange, they explicitly list all 'correct' compiler versions
[02:00] <siretart> huhu herve
[02:10] <zyga> siretart: 0.6.1b builds with gcc-4.0, with lots of warning, but it builds
[02:12] <siretart> zyga: and 0.7.1 not anymore? that's an awfull regression then :(
[02:12] <zyga> siretart: I'm checking
[02:12] <\sh> moins
[02:12] <zyga> siretart: I did have to patch the configure file to allow it though
[02:13] <siretart> hi \sh
[02:17] <Mez> mnorning \sh
[02:19] <\sh> moins mez
[02:21] <Mez> hehe
[02:21] <Mez> I bult it for breezy
[02:21] <Mez> but i bet it never gets used
[02:23] <\sh> what?
[02:23] <\sh> ajmitch: ping
[02:27] <Mez> I built gaim for breezy
[02:27] <Mez> but i doub thte package will ever actually get used in breezy (well it's an update to t1.3.1 from 1.3.0 but meh
[02:27] <herve> bye all, have a nice weekend
[02:28] <\sh> u too herve
[02:28] <\sh> Mez: it's main
[02:29] <Mez> ah yes
[02:29] <Mez> I know
[02:29] <Mez> it needs to be sponsired by a dev not a MOTU
[02:29] <Mez> thats why i dont think it'll make it :D
[02:29] <Mez> lol
[02:29] <Mez> isnt konv main aswell
[02:29] <\sh> yes
[02:29] <\sh> apt-cache showpkg
[02:30] <Mez> Dependencies:
[02:30] <Mez> Versions:
[02:30] <Mez> 0.18-1~5.04ubp1(/var/lib/dpkg/status)
[02:30] <Mez> 0.16-1ubuntu1(/var/lib/apt/lists/Kubuntu%205.04%20%5fHoary%20Hedgehog%5f%20-%20Release%20i386%20(20050407)_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages)(/var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages)
[02:31] <Mez> lmaO
[02:31] <tseng> $ apt-cache showpkg konversation | grep main > /dev/null && echo main || echo universe
[02:38] <Seveas> apt-cache show konversation | grep Filename | cut -f 2 -d /
[02:38] <Seveas> works on multiverse/restricted too ;)
[02:38] <tseng> Seveas++
[02:40] <Mez> lol
[02:56] <Mez> hmm
[02:56] <Mez> how do i go about suggesting a package for universe?
[02:57] <tseng> you make it and put a link to the sources on MOTUNewPackages
[02:57] <Mez> well
[02:57] <Mez> It's already been made by the developers
[02:57] <Mez> I'm on about adding skype to it
[02:58] <\sh> Mez: skype will never make it into universe
[02:58] <Mez> y?
[02:58] <siretart> no
[02:58] <Mez> y wont it ?
[02:59] <\sh> cause of it's license
[02:59] <siretart> the licence does not allow redistribution
[02:59] <Mez> it does
[02:59] <Mez> http://support.skype.com/index.php?_a=knowledgebase&_j=questiondetails&_i=200&nav=+%26gt%3B+%3Ca+href%3D%27index.php%3F_a%3Dknowledgebase%26_j%3Dsubcat%26_i%3D11%27%3ESkype+for+Linux%3C%2Fa%3E
[03:00] <Mez> http://www.skype.com/company/legal/promote/distributionterms.html
[03:00] <siretart> Mez: Article 2. License and Restrictions
[03:00] <Mez> I dont see where it stops you distributing it
[03:00] <siretart> 2.2 No Granting of Rights to Third Parties. You will not sell, assign, rent, lease, distribute, export, import, act as an intermediary or provider, or otherwise grant rights to third parties with regard to the Skype Software or any part thereof.
[03:00] <tseng> Mez: we will be distributing a client called Schtoom
[03:01] <tseng> not some silly proprietary lockin-ware
[03:01] <\sh> shtoom
[03:01] <Mez> how is it granting rights?
[03:01] <tseng> it says "you will not distribute"
[03:01] <tseng> you dont have rights to someone elses copyrighted IP if they dont give it to you
[03:02] <Mez> tseng
[03:02] <tseng> much less if its explicitly stated otherwise
[03:02] <tseng> Mez
[03:02] <Mez> http://www.skype.com/company/legal/promote/distributionterms.html
[03:02] <tseng> you are wrong, sorry
[03:02] <Mez> so why does it give you terms to redistribute the damn thing
[03:03] <siretart> Mez: 1.2 You acknowledge and agree that You are not permitted to distribute the Skype Software for any commercial gain, including but not limited to any selling of related services or attempt to charge for the Skype Software.
[03:03] <siretart> Mez: ubuntu may be sold comercially, so we are NOT non-commercial
[03:03] <Mez> siretart, er.
[03:03] <Mez> you're not using that as the selling point though
[03:03] <Mez> you're selling ubuntu
[03:04] <Mez> not selling ubuntu with skype
[03:04] <\sh> Mez: well, I think the lawyers at canonical made their job, and the decision not to include skype has it's reasons...when one company can't agree with the license of another company, u don't distribute it
[03:04] <Mez> ah fair enough
[03:04] <siretart> Mez: none of us has the motivation to explain that to a lawyer
[03:04] <\sh> Mez: there is no ubuntu selling
[03:04] <tseng> siretart: actually, its a little more than that
[03:04] <Mez> I didnt know that there had been discussion already
[03:04] <tseng> this program is closed source
[03:04] <tseng> afaik
[03:04] <siretart> tseng: I know, I just needed a quick example ;)
[03:04] <tseng> and almost certainly not DSFG free
[03:04] <\sh> it's the same right now between OpenSSL and Squid
[03:05] <\sh> squid is compiled without ssl support cause the apache license and gpl are incompatible
[03:05] <Mez> ah shame
[03:06] <\sh> it's legal business and we aren't studied lawyers
[03:14] <thom_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:14] <thom_>   sun-j2re1.5: Depends: sun-j2re1.5debian but it is not installable
[03:14] <Mez> lol
[03:14] <Mez> that sounds fun
[03:15] <thom_> woops
[03:15] <thom_> ignore that
[03:21] <Nafallo> tseng: will the beagle ff-plugin be able to quit when firefox quit in the future? :-)
[03:22] <Nafallo> tseng: or rather when you leave that page it's indexing :-)
[03:24] <siretart> thom_: where did you find that ancient version of java-package? it's really too old
[03:27] <thom_> i know
[03:28] <thom_> i didnt mean to paste that in
[03:28] <thom_> I was just looking at an old repository
[04:32] <zyga>  /www/c
[04:32] <zyga> hmm
[04:32] <zyga> wrong window
[06:49] <ivoks> mmmm... nice
[06:50] <DanielN> mort: don't forget my key :)
[06:51] <DanielN> ivoks: you said something about the *.in files which changes the files in /debian, could you say anything more about that? :)
[06:52] <ivoks> :)
[06:52] <ivoks> sometimes rules script runs autoconf
[06:53] <ivoks> at that point, if you have any .in files in debian, they will overwrite you non-.in files
[06:53] <DanielN> ah
[06:53] <DanielN> thx
[06:53] <ivoks> before overwriting, it will substitute some variables in those .in files with rela figuer
[06:53] <ivoks> figures
[06:54] <ivoks> for example... you can have in changelog.in something like $program ($VERSION-1)
[06:54] <ivoks> and it would become foo (bar-1)
[06:54] <ivoks> in changelog
[06:54] <ivoks> doh :(
[06:54] <ivoks> time to reboot in windows :((
[06:55] <ivoks> bye all!
[06:55] <DanielN> thanks ivoks
[06:55] <DanielN> you rescued me :)
[06:55] <ivoks> np
[06:55] <ivoks> DanielN: man autoconf
[06:55] <DanielN> and good bye :)
[06:56] <ivoks> i just wish elmo and mako will not forget about me :)
[07:35] <tseng> hi
[07:37] <mort> DanielN: nah, I didn't forget you... --refresh-keys
[07:41] <DanielN> mort: thanks very well
[07:42] <DanielN> and another 4 libs fixed in cxx trans :)
[08:38] <Burgundavia> something that is an open licence but is DFSG-non-free, that can go into multiverse, no?
[08:42] <crimsun> as long as it builds in sbuild, more than likely yes
[08:49] <Burgundavia> this is a pure data thing
[08:50] <crimsun> is a data package associated with source?
[08:50] <crimsun> is it^
[08:51] <tseng>          plugins="AudioscrobblerPlugin.dll muine-tray-playing.png TrayIcon.dll.config \
[08:51] <tseng>                  muine-tray-paused.png TrayIcon.dll TrayIcon.xml"
[08:51] <tseng> whats wrong with the above?
[08:51] <tseng>          for i in ${plugins}; do cp plugins/${i} debian/muine/usr/lib/muine/plugins/; done
[08:51] <Burgundavia> what I am looking to get packaged is the ldraw stuff, which is under the OpenContent license
[09:05] <tseng> oh its not Make
[09:05] <tseng> better wrap it in bash -c ""
[09:05] <tseng> might work better
[09:10] <tseng> gah what in the fuck is this thing doing
[09:10] <tseng> make drops $* ?
[09:23] <ivoks> hm...
[09:24] <ivoks> Mez: ping
[09:25] <Mez> hey ivoks
[09:25] <Mez> sup
[09:25] <ivoks> Mez: you are doing backports?
[09:25] <Mez> I make backports yes
[09:25] <Mez> whats up
[09:25] <ivoks> acroread: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-7) but 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 is to be installed
[09:26] <ivoks> looks like those guys need help
[09:26] <ivoks> they just copied files :)
[09:26] <Mez> you trying to sintall acroread from backports? it's in staging :D
[09:26] <Amaranth> they aren't very bright
[09:26] <Mez> they're still working on it
[09:27] <ivoks> what's there to work? :)
[09:27] <Mez> *shrugs*
[09:27] <Amaranth> they're pulling in all the things the ubuntuguide's add-on CD had
[09:27] <Amaranth> and pulling in marillat
[09:27] <Mez> is it in sid?
[09:27] <Amaranth> both of which will get them supersued
[09:27] <ivoks> Mez: are those guys enywhere here on irc?
[09:27] <Amaranth> jdong is sometimes
[09:28] <Amaranth> he didn't register his nick though, so i dunno when he was last on
[09:28] <Mez> I dont even know where they've puled it from to be fair
[09:28] <ivoks> from marillat
[09:28] <ivoks> didn't even repackage it :)
[09:28] <ivoks> just, cp :)
[09:29] <Mez> link to the files in the pool?
[09:29] <ivoks> hm, i should really help them
[09:30] <Mez> lol
[09:31] <ivoks> don't
[09:31] <ivoks> help them fix a mess
[09:31] <Mez> well i want it too
[09:32] <Mez> this is gonna be massive!
[09:33] <Mez> lol
[09:33] <Mez> and only builds for i386
[09:33] <Mez> whee
[09:33] <ivoks> hm
[09:34] <ivoks> Mez: join backports team
[09:34] <ivoks> and work with them
[09:34] <Mez> ivoks, I would but they wont let me
[09:34] <Mez> It's easier
[09:34] <Mez> and you deont get findutils breaking stuff
[09:37] <Mez> man thats asy to backport
[09:38] <ivoks>  if it wasnt for backports, I wouldnt have stayed with ubuntu
[09:38] <ivoks> ?
[09:38] <ivoks> Mez: you said that?
[09:38] <ivoks> hehe
[09:39] <ivoks> well... time to play with blender...
[09:39] <Mez> yeah i woulda gone to gentoo :D
[09:39] <Mez> but - they kept me in
[09:39] <Mez> now i know how to make my own backports, i dont relally bother with the other one
[09:39] <Lathiat> the backports generally suck and break shit :)
[09:40] <Lathiat> like mono,for example
[09:40] <Lathiat> i just run straight hoary
[09:40] <Lathiat> it works
[09:40] <Mez> lol
[09:40] <Mez> mono = shite
[09:40] <Mez> but to be fair...
[09:40] <Lathiat> yeh
[09:40] <Lathiat> mono is THE SHIT
[09:40] <Mez> all my abckports have wporked
[09:40] <Mez> I take breezy stuff,
[09:40] <Mez> and recompile
[09:40] <Lathiat> Mez: the problem is
[09:40] <Lathiat> its ok for somepackages
[09:40] <Lathiat> but you take something like mono
[09:40] <Lathiat> or some cxxshit
[09:41] <Lathiat> that has hadmajor structural changes
[09:41] <Lathiat> you cant just expect thatto work without any love
[09:41] <Lathiat> which is what some of theofficialstuff has one
[09:41] <Mez> :P
[09:41] <ivoks> hm, we really need hunderts of people with unbootable ubuntu cause of CXX package
[09:42] <Mez> hmm
[09:42] <Mez> er
[09:42] <Mez> I finshed backporting acroread
[09:42] <Lathiat> bleh acroread
[09:42] <Lathiat> evince > *
[09:42] <Mez> wanna try it ivoks?
[09:42] <ivoks> Mez: did you change dep libs?
[09:42] <Mez> no it worked
[09:42] <Mez> just needed a recompile and it works
[09:42] <ivoks> then it will not work on hoary
[09:43] <Mez> well it built on hoary
[09:43] <ivoks> you allready have lots of backported packages
[09:44] <Mez> mez@apathy:~/backports$ sudo dpkg -i acroread_7.0-0.9~5.04ubp1_i386.deb
[09:44] <Mez> Selecting previously deselected package acroread.
[09:44] <Mez> (Reading database ... 92048 files and directories currently installed.)
[09:44] <Mez> Unpacking acroread (from acroread_7.0-0.9~5.04ubp1_i386.deb) ...
[09:44] <Mez> Setting up acroread (7.0-0.9~5.04ubp1) ...
[09:44] <Mez> mez@apathy:~/backports$
[09:44] <ivoks> Mez: apt-cache show libgcc1 | grep Version
[09:44] <Mez> it was built in a pdebuild
[09:44] <ivoks> you really don't understand, don't you?
[09:44] <Mez> Version: 1:4.0.0-7ubuntu6~5.04ubp1
[09:44] <Mez> Version: 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7
[09:44] <ivoks> lol you see
[09:44] <ivoks> you have 1:4.0.0-7
[09:44] <Mez> ?
[09:45] <ivoks> that's not in hoary
[09:45] <ivoks> so, your acroread will not work in hoary
[09:45] <ivoks> period.
[09:45] <Mez> ivoks...
[09:46] <Mez> llemme try something
[09:46] <ivoks> Mez: backporting isn't take a packge, input your name, and package it
[09:46] <ivoks> backporting means you have to make that app depend on libs that are in distro you are backporting for
[09:47] <ivoks> you can make acroread depending on libcc1 1:4.0.0-7
[09:47] <ivoks> when there is no such package in hoary
[09:47] <ivoks> you have it, cause you backported it too
[09:47] <ivoks> and that is The Bad Thing
[09:47] <ivoks> you should never backport libs, only apps
[09:48] <Mez> who says it depends on it
[09:48] <ivoks> I say
[09:48] <Mez> it shoudnt depend on it cause it was built in a chroot
[09:48] <ivoks> and your debian/control says so
[09:48] <ivoks> in chroot where you allready installed backported lib
[09:49] <Mez> nope
[09:49] <Mez> the chroot = no backports
[09:49] <ivoks> Mez: run  apt-cache show libgcc1 | grep Version in your chroot
[09:49] <Mez> root@apathy:/# apt-cache show libgcc1 | grep Version
[09:50] <Mez> Version: 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7
[09:50] <Mez> root@apathy:/#
[09:50] <Mez> :P
[09:50] <ivoks> then you changed dep versions in debian/control?
[09:50] <Mez> no
[09:50] <Mez> it auto build sthe deps remember
[09:50] <ivoks> then ok
[09:51] <ivoks> just don't backport libs
[09:51] <ivoks> as you allready did
[09:51] <Mez> I didnt backport a lib
[09:51] <ivoks> < Mez> Version: 1:4.0.0-7ubuntu6~5.04ubp1
[09:51] <Mez> I DIDNT BACKPORT IT
[09:51] <Mez> it's in ubuntu backports
[09:52] <Mez> but I DIDNT BACKPORT IT
[09:52] <ivoks> ok then
[09:52] <Mez> hehe it's just there :
[09:52] <ivoks> then you should do their work
[09:52] <Mez> my backport works in hoary
[09:53] <ivoks> off i go...
[09:53] <ivoks> later
[09:54] <Mez> lol
[11:09] <tseng> Amaranth: do you use autotools?
[11:35] <Amaranth> tseng: no
[11:36] <tseng> i think i found what i needed
[11:36] <tseng> anyway.
[11:36] <tseng> make distcheck