[12:01] <Blissex> goss: if you are afraid of editing 'xorg.conf' use one of the many utilities that generate one for you.
[12:01] <gdh> You might aslso want to put this line in the Section "Monitor"
[12:01] <gdh>         HorizSync       30.0 - 80.0
[12:01] <gdh> in case your monitor's DDC is throwing out crappy info
[12:02] <goss> right thanks
[12:04] <goss> ooooo i typed in konsole: cd /etc/X11/xorg.conf isnt there
[12:04] <monchy> trying to edit it?
[12:05] <goss> yeah
[12:05] <monchy> try sudo kedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:06] <_osh> is there some tool to compare directories? I want to know which files are different. There are quite a few directories so a simple diff won't work well for me.
[12:06] <monchy> anyone using kopete and having trouble sending messages via msn?
[12:08] <goss> arrrr im still getting problems editing the xorg file guys
[12:08] <goss> cd /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:08] <_osh> monchy: Never used msn.
[12:08] <goss> i mean*
[12:08] <goss> it said kedit: command not found so i presume i dont have that
[12:08] <monchy> try kwrite
[12:09] <_osh> goss: kwrite /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:09] <Mez> goss
[12:09] <Mez> are you trying to use breezy?
[12:09] <goss> im just tryin to set a resoltuion i want for my LCD
[12:09] <goss> resolution*
[12:09] <goss> my noobiness will wear off soon :)
[12:10] <goss> right kwrite failed aswell
[12:10] <goss> this is what it said
[12:10] <goss> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-goss" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[12:10] <goss> Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
[12:10] <goss> Error: "/tmp/kde-goss" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[12:10] <goss> Link points to "/tmp/kde-root"
[12:11] <_osh> goss: Ok, then this "sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf". Without the quotes. 
[12:12] <goss> guess what :(
[12:12] <monchy> no kate either @_@
[12:13] <goss> it said "communication problem with kate... it probably crashed"
[12:13] <_osh> goss: your machines looks seriously fubar.
[12:14] <goss> maybe its because its the first time i have ever booted it and i might have messed up an update?
[12:14] <goss> maybe i should restart and try again lol
[12:14] <monchy> alright i'm going out, cya all later. good luck goss and don't give up ^^
[12:15] <goss> cyas mate kk cheers lol
[12:15] <_osh> goss: what did you do before trying to mess with xorg.conf?
[12:17] <goss> erm checked control center and before that ran kynaptic and tried to update things
[12:18] <_osh> goss: Do this. sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:18] <_osh> goss: cut and paste the part starting with sudo to the end of the line and paste it into a shell window. 
[12:19] <_osh> goss: tell me if you see any errors.
[12:19] <goss> well i just typed "sudo apt-get update you want me to copy it ALL?
[12:19] <goss> yeah it said "some index files failed to download"
[12:19] <goss> near the end
[12:19] <_osh> goss: which ones?
[12:20] <goss> am wait
[12:20] <goss> the dist-update thing seems to be working
[12:20] <goss> oh wait
[12:20] <goss> it said 
[12:20] <goss> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-goss" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[12:20] <goss> Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
[12:20] <goss> Error: "/tmp/kde-goss" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[12:20] <goss> Link points to "/tmp/kde-root"
[12:20] <goss> nono not that
[12:21] <_morten> Aloha :)
[12:21] <goss> You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[12:21] <goss> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[12:21] <_morten> Anyone of you know a good CMS-Thingie ?
[12:21] <goss> hi morten
[12:22] <_osh> goss: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:23] <goss> right osh mate will try that
[12:23] <goss> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[12:23] <osh> goss: Do you know anything about the editor "vi"? Otherwise you'll need help.
[12:23] <goss> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[12:23] <goss> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch major bug fix updates produced
[12:23] <goss> ## after the final release of the distribution.
[12:23] <goss> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[12:24] <goss> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[12:24] <goss> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[12:24] <goss> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[12:24] <osh> goss: ENOUGH!!!
[12:24] <goss> # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[12:24] <goss> # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[12:24] <goss> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[12:24] <goss> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[12:24] <goss> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[12:24] <osh> goss: We all know what's in that file.
[12:24] <goss> #Primary Mirror (5/17/2005) overloaded :)
[12:24] <goss> #deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[12:24] <goss> #deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[12:24] <goss> #backup Mirror - FAST
[12:24] <goss> deb ftp://ftp2.caliu.info/backports/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[12:24] <goss> deb ftp://ftp2.caliu.info/backports/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[12:24] <goss> no mate, sorry im afraid i only just installed linux/kubuntu 2 hours ago
[12:24] <goss> LOL
[12:24] <goss> mmm backports
[12:25] <goss> oh
[12:25] <goss> bollocks
[12:25] <goss> should i not have copied that?
[12:26] <goss> :( 
[12:26] <quam> heh
[12:26] <osh> goss: copied what? the only thing that should be in that files (except comments starting with #) are the lines starting with deb -something.
[12:27] <goss> never mind then :)
[12:27] <goss> i just wanted to edit my xorg conf file
[12:27] <goss> to get the correct resolution
[12:28] <osh> goss: apparently "vi" works for you so perhaps do a "sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[12:29] <goss> right
[12:29] <osh> goss: but something looks fishy. you shouldn't get any errors when doing a "sudo apt-get update".
[12:29] <goss> right
[12:30] <osh> goss: can you open the file xorg.conf with vi?
[12:30] <goss> it listed alot of information about the file yes but not what i want i dont think
[12:31] <osh> goss: scroll down.
[12:31] <osh> goss: it shows a lot of info about xorg.conf in the start of the file.
[12:32] <osh> goss: try "/1024" enter. That's the search-command for 1024 in vi.
[12:33] <Livingstone__> My firefox doenst start (strace log here : http://pastebin.com/299142 )
[12:33] <goss> osh i dont think its actually opening the file, but it doesnt give me any errors
[12:34] <goss> it says some miscellanius info
[12:34] <osh> goss: and if you scroll down?
[12:34] <osh> # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
[12:34] <osh> # values from the debconf database.
[12:35] <osh> goss: Something like this?
[12:38] <_goss> hmmm
[12:40] <_goss> i just viewed the file with "vi"
[12:40] <_goss> but i cannot edit it in the terminal as far as i know
[12:40] <_goss> because im not opening it ina  text editor
[12:40] <_goss> lemme look ata text editor i have and try entereing a command for that
[12:43] <goss> hello just restarted
[12:43] <goss> osh you still there mate?
[12:46] <quam> try nano :P
[12:47] <goss> :P
[12:47] <quam> nano has instructions at the bottom of the screen. it's not a piece of shit like vi that just assumes you know what you're doing :p
[12:48] <goss> LOL
[12:48] <goss> ty
[12:48] <goss> will try it
[12:48] <goss> hmmmm
[12:49] <goss> i think something is universally screwing up my new install of linux
[12:49] <quam> yeah, the user :P
[12:49] <goss> Kuser and Kate both dont load
[12:49] <goss> haha true because im a noob but not to computers in general
[12:49] <goss> :P
[12:54] <_morten> ............ Never got kate working in Hoary... so i just Insatlled Gedit :) and it works quite well
[12:55] <quam> kate acts like it's going to start working, puts something on my task tray, then fizzles out :p
[12:56] <quam> task bar even
[12:56] <penguinboy> can someone recommend a GOOD DVD player?
[12:56] <Mez> penguinboy, xine
[12:56] <penguinboy> thanks Master Mez
[12:57] <Mez> sudp apt-get install xine-ui
[12:57] <Mez> sudo apt-get install xine-ui
[12:57] <Mez> cant type tongiht
[12:57] <Mez> :P
[12:57] <quam> heh, tongiht :P that was amusing
[12:58] <penguinboy> lol
[01:01] <penguinboy> does xine not automatically start when you load the DVD?
[01:04] <Mez> nope
[01:05] <penguinboy> how do I make it play
[01:06] <Mez> wiat...
[01:06] <penguinboy> lol
[01:06] <Mez> if you already have kubuntu
[01:06] <penguinboy> and wait
[01:06] <penguinboy> and wait
[01:06] <Mez> you should have kaffeine
[01:06] <penguinboy> lol
[01:06] <Mez> you can play DVDs with that
[01:07] <duende> I'm having a problem with synaptic in kubuntu, it appears that none of my packages will isntall through it.  I tried to do a apt-get upgrade through console and i get an error "`Depends' field, reference to `libc6`: version contains ` '  and then i get a seg fault message
[01:07] <Mez> duede - you'll get a better response in #ubuntu
[01:07] <duende> k, tnx
[01:11] <penguinboy> The source can't be read.
[01:11] <penguinboy> Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (Error reading NAV packet.)
[01:11] <penguinboy> hey mae
[01:11] <mae> why is it after updating kubuntu it loses all its kubuntu customizations?
[01:11] <mae> hey
[01:11] <Tm_T> eh?
[01:11] <penguinboy> never had that problem
[01:11] <mae> hmm
[01:12] <Tm_T> me neither
[01:12] <mae> after doing a dist-upgrade you didn't lose the customizations i.e. how it says "kubuntu" on the menu etc..
[01:13] <gdh> Wasn't that part of the /etc/kderc fuckup that the 'kdelibs' problem introduced?
[01:14] <gdh> the error where 'file blablabla already present in package blablabla' kept being shown?
[01:14] <mae> not sure .. :)
[01:14] <gdh> either way, the problem is long resolved - just ensure you have 
[01:14] <gdh> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[01:14] <mae> gdh: ya i had that problem, i hacked around it by uninstalling the offending package, doing dist-upgrade, then reinstalling it.. can't remember which one it was though
[01:14] <gdh> enabled in apt.sources
[01:14] <mae> i hope they fixed that by now
[01:15] <penguinboy> can you mount your Windows drive?
[01:15] <gdh> yes
[01:15] <penguinboy> I'll give you a quarter to tell me how
[01:15] <mae> heh
[01:16] <Tm_T> haha
[01:16] <gdh> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[01:16] <mae> go into fstab penguinboy
[01:16] <gdh> send your quarter via Paypal to  gdh@klub.org 
[01:16] <gdh> =)
[01:16] <mae> haha
[01:17] <Tm_T> 7dcc send gdh ~/quarter
[01:17] <Tm_T> oops
[01:17] <gdh> =)
[01:18] <mae> I was using debian but it takes way to long to get the latest packages.. they have to stabilize them for like 10 diff architectures
[01:18] <Tm_T> yeah
[01:18] <Tm_T> mae: you used stable/testing?
[01:18] <Tm_T> mae: try SID ;)
[01:18] <mae> i was using testing..
[01:18] <penguinboy> Could not mount device.
[01:18] <penguinboy> The reported error was:
[01:18] <penguinboy> mount: can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[01:19] <mae> even sid
[01:19] <mae> is using kde 3.3.2
[01:19] <Tm_T> yeah
[01:19] <goss> hi all
[01:19] <penguinboy> hey hey hey
[01:19] <gdh> penguinboy: you have to know what the name of your partition is
[01:19] <gdh> penguinboy: run 'cfdisk' and find your windows partition
[01:19] <Tm_T> ok, I'm off ->
[01:19] <penguinboy> it is not on a partition...it is on the master hdd
[01:20] <penguinboy> BYE Tm_T
[01:20] <goss> i just tried to change my /etc/x11/xorg.conf file so that i can have a higher resolution, as far as i know i have done it correctly but it hasnt showed up in the drop down men
[01:20] <goss> u
[01:20] <gdh> trust me, it's a partition
[01:20] <penguinboy> lol
[01:20] <gdh> 'drive c:' will be a partition on a drive etc.
[01:21] <penguinboy> this just shows one drive....but I have two
[01:22] <goss> can anyone tell me how to reset the ROOT password?
[01:22] <penguinboy>   hda1        Boot        Primary   NTFS             [ ]              80023.75
[01:23] <gdh> penguinboy: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows tells you exactly what to type :)
[01:23] <penguinboy> http://www.linux-consulting.com/Boot/Boot.SingleUser.ForgotRootPasswd.txt
[01:24] <goss> ace thanks
[01:24] <gdh> goss 'sudo passwd'
[01:24] <gdh> better get used to using sudo
[01:25] <gdh> 'sudo -i' will give you a root shell
[01:25] <goss> right that is what i want
[01:25] <goss> cheers i have reset my PW
[01:26] <goss> iv been trying to set a bigger screen res for ages
[01:26] <goss> lol
[01:27] <goss> because the max it says i can have is 1024x768 and iwant 1280x1024
[01:27] <gdh> goss: this is an xorg thing - not specifically kubuntu / ubuntu
[01:27] <goss> and i know i have to edit xorg.conf
[01:27] <gdh> you can try asking on #ubunbu or #xorg
[01:27] <gdh> #ubuntu
[01:27] <goss> okies :)
[01:27] <gdh> they'll ask you for your /var/log/Xorg log
[01:27] <penguinboy> got it gdh...thanks!
[01:28] <gdh> penguinboy:  =)
[01:30] <goss> nah haha
[01:30] <goss> they told me to google
[01:30] <goss> ahhh
[01:30] <gdh> sounds about right :)
[01:30] <goss> yerrrp
[01:30] <penguinboy> lol
[01:31] <penguinboy> they always tell you to google
[01:31] <penguinboy> lol
[01:31] <penguinboy> that is the standard pat answe
[01:31] <gdh> goss: I'd ask again when most of them aren't either drunk or asleep :)
[01:31] <penguinboy> lol
[01:33] <goss> hehe yeah
[01:33] <goss> kik
[01:33] <goss> lol
[01:33] <goss> *+
[01:45] <tsaphah> other than having KDE has the base WM is there any diffs between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[01:45] <gdh> nop
[01:45] <tsaphah> hm, ok.  Thanks
[01:46] <gdh> Kubuntu is part of Ubuntu, the only diff is the default set of packages
[01:46] <gdh> you can always make one install into the other with a couple of apt-get installs
[01:46] <tsaphah> Hmm, ok. I figured so, it just seemed like an interesting 'break' to name them something diff.
[01:47] <tsaphah> However they want to do it, works for me :)
[01:49] <MoreFX> hi
[01:50] <MoreFX> anyone arround who could help me with my wlan config (ndsiwrapper)?
[01:51] <MoreFX> ndsiwrapper is installed and should be running
[01:52] <MoreFX> howecer iwlist wlan0 scan does not show any of the ap arround me
[01:52] <MoreFX> any hints?
[01:53] <tsaphah> sorry MoreFX, I've not gotten it to work either :(
[01:54] <quam> what wireless hardware are you using?
[01:56] <MoreFX> linksys wtc54g
[01:56] <quam> yeah, people have had problems with that one
[01:56] <quam> one second lemme find the forum shit
[01:57] <quam> actually i take that back, was thinking of something else
[01:57] <MoreFX> i had it running with suse 9.2 using the same drivers - so this should not be the problem
[01:57] <quam> is that the router or the actually wireless device
[01:57] <quam> err actual
[01:58] <MoreFX> sorry it's wpc54g
[01:58] <MoreFX> it's a pcmcia-card
[01:59] <quam> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5645
[01:59] <quam> instructions
[02:00] <MoreFX> thanx - I will have a look
[02:41] <HillTop> I just installed Hoary and assume this applies to kubuntu, had Warty earlier.  How do I get from Firefox 1.0.2 to 1.0.4 so I can use extensions and themes? Thanks
[02:43] <Tm_T> HillTop: ah, you "have" already 1.0.4, it's just numbered as 1.0.2
[02:43] <Tm_T> there was a way to go around this...
[02:44] <Tm_T> hmm, can't remember
[02:47] <HillTop> Tm_T, but I get this...  You must upgrade to version 1.0.4 or newer of Firefox before accessing the Mozilla Update web service.     ... when I try for themes, etc.
[02:47] <Tm_T> yes
[02:48] <Tm_T> (K)Ubuntu package of Firefox have own version numbering
[02:48] <seth_k||away> Hilltop: go to about:config
[02:48] <seth_k||away> Hilltop: and change app.extensions.version and app.version to 1.0.4
[02:48] <seth_k||away> ^_^
[02:49] <Tm_T> oh yes!
[02:49] <Tm_T> that it was
[02:49] <HillTop> OK, I'm right now in ubuntu, haven't extended to kubuntu. So I'll look at about:config. Thanks.
[02:51] <seth_k> Hilltop: if you'd rather, you can use 1.0.4 from backports?
[02:53] <HillTop> OK, I changed extensions and version to 1.0.4 and it doesn't recognixze this, still wants to update.
[02:53] <HillTop> What is backports??
[02:54] <seth_k> Hilltop: did you restart firefox?
[02:54] <gdh> seth_k: Some 'banging tunes' played then? :)
[02:54] <HillTop> seth_k, I restarted firefox, yes.
[02:55] <seth_k> haha, banging? sure
[02:55] <seth_k> Hilltop: one sec
[02:55] <HillTop> seth_k, ok
[02:56] <seth_k> I'm sorry Hilltop, I referenced the wrong string. You should change general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4
[02:56] <seth_k> (still in about:config)
[02:56] <seth_k> and then restart Firefox
[02:59] <HillTop> seth_k, Bingo!!  Thanks.  I'll continue now -- looks like it is working.  :)
[02:59] <seth_k> sorry about the mixup before
[02:59] <seth_k> but changing those other strings should not affect anything
[03:00] <seth_k> since they would be changed in a real 1.0.4 anyways
[03:00] <HillTop> Nope, seth_k, not working.  Complains of incompatible version of Firefox. Wants 1.0 or later. :/
[03:01] <seth_k> O__O
[03:02] <seth_k> an extension? or the addons site?
[03:04] <seth_k> You might try changing those earlier strings back. Just right click on them and hit Reset
[03:04] <HillTop> So it is a different error message now, seth_k.   I tried chatzilla and Littlefox - Firefox Theme.  At least it isn't complaining about 1.0.4 vs. 1.0.4.
[03:04] <HillTop> I'll try reset...
[03:05] <gdh> Surely isn't Ubuntu's 1.0.4 simply 1.0.2 + security fixes, but none of any new features introduced in .3 and .4 ?
[03:06] <gdh> (assuming there were any)
[03:06] <Tm_T> afaik no
[03:06] <seth_k> i don't think so either
[03:06] <Tm_T> just security and bug fixes
[03:06] <seth_k> I'm really hoping that resetting those strings works, b/c changing that string is all that I did to fix my Firefox :/
[03:07] <weedar> Is it possible to use iwconfig to connect to a wifi with a passhprase as a key?
[03:07] <seth_k> weedar: WPA? or WEP
[03:08] <weedar> seth_k: WEP
[03:08] <gdh> man iwconfig
[03:09] <gdh>        key/enc[ryption] 
[03:09] <weedar> according to the manpage it can't do it, I was looking for maybe a work-around
[03:09] <gdh>               Passphrase is currently not supported.
[03:09] <HillTop> seth_k, Bingo!! only this time I got thru chatzilla and Littlefox - Firefox Theme -- restarting firefox shows new theme.  general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4 did it with resetting the others. Thanks!   :)
[03:09] <gdh> heh :)
[03:09] <seth_k> I think it can
[03:09] <seth_k> iwconfig <<INTERFACE>> key K
[03:09] <seth_k> or is that an ASCII key only
[03:09] <seth_k> and not a passphrase
[03:09] <seth_k> Hilltop: phew ^_^
[03:09] <gdh> You can also
[03:09] <gdh>               enter the key as  an  ASCII  string  by  using  the  s:  prefix.
[03:09] <weedar> as long as it contains spaces it's a passphrase I guess
[03:10] <seth_k> gdh has it
[03:10] <seth_k> the manpage shows the example:
[03:10] <seth_k> iwconfig wlan0 key s:password
[03:10] <weedar> yes, but it doesn't accept a passphrase, just a password
[03:10] <gdh> So what's a 'passphrase' then? 
[03:10] <gdh> very odd.
[03:10] <seth_k> try putting it in quotes or something?
[03:10] <seth_k> got me
[03:10] <HillTop> seth_k, Bingo!! and chatzilla worked -- so that is both classes of addons.   Thanks!
[03:10] <weedar> I tried " quotes
[03:11] <seth_k> hilltop, good to hear
[03:11] <seth_k> weedar, try over in #ubuntu
[03:11] <seth_k> this isn't specific to KDE, so I'll bet they can help
[03:11] <seth_k> you've tried everything I would
[03:11] <gdh> indeed, you could try any distro / generic linux channel for this :)
[03:12] <weedar> thanks for the suggestion :)
[03:12] <seth_k> sorry we couldn't help :)
[03:12] <gdh> my brain is broken =)
[03:13] <gdh> <sips more whisky>
[03:13] <seth_k> lol
[03:13] <gdh> yeh, so it's self-inflicted =)
[03:13] <seth_k> you're not helping the bustage here
[03:32] <seth_k> using Konversation now
[03:32] <seth_k> we'll see if that warrants running a whole extra program
[03:32] <Tm_T> :/
[03:32] <Tm_T> gui in irc :/
[03:33] <gdh> seth_k: have you run 'ps fawx' recently? KDE runs a fair few programs by itself :)
[03:33] <seth_k> lol :D
[03:33] <seth_k> true that
[03:33] <gdh> wow that's a new one on me .. "/bin/dd bs 1 if /proc/kmsg of /var/run/klogd/kmsg"
[03:33] <gdh> must've seeemed like a good idea to somebody.
[03:40] <randabis> I like Konversation; go figure :)
[03:43] <Tm_T> :/
[03:44] <seth_k> randabis: any idea for the shortcut key to swap tabs?
[03:44] <seth_k> good old CTRL + Tab doesn't work
[03:44] <gdh> Alt + left / right cursor
[03:44] <seth_k> great ^_^
[03:44] <Tm_T> kids...
[03:44] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[03:44] <gdh> or.. notice now each tab has an underlined letter in the channel name?
[03:44] <gdh> you can alt + <that letter>
[03:45] <seth_k> ooo
[03:45] <gdh> yep, the future is here
[03:45] <seth_k> lol
[03:45] <gdh> we'll have keyboards on the walls by next week and all wear foil suits
[03:46] <randabis> haha
[03:46] <randabis> Tm_T: don't worry, there's always a special place in my heart for good ol' irssi
[03:47] <gdh> in a screen, far, far away :)
[03:47] <randabis> mwahaha
[03:47] <Tm_T> randabis: oh good :)
[03:47] <randabis> Yeah I'll usually pull up irssi when I'm not working with X. I put it on a separate tty
[03:48] <Tm_T> heh
[03:48] <randabis> I'll use it with x sometimes, but konversation usually just loads on startup so I don't mess with it
[03:48] <Tm_T> I don't run irssi locally
[03:49] <randabis> t'is on the server I suppose then :)
[03:49] <Tm_T> yes they are in the servers
[03:50] <Tm_T> 4 irssi in 3 different places
[03:50] <randabis> nifty] 
[03:51] <stibby> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[03:51] <stibby> does this page
[03:51] <stibby> apply to kubuntu too?
[03:53] <seth_k> stibby: sure
[03:53] <tsaphah> what's the package name for firefox?
[03:54] <seth_k> tsaphah: either firefox or mozilla-firefox, depending on your Ubuntu version
[03:54] <Tm_T> mozilla-fiefox
[03:54] <Tm_T> r
[03:54] <tsaphah> ah, thanks
[03:55] <randabis> tsaphah: depends on what repo you're using
[03:55] <randabis> in ubuntu backports there's a dummy package mozilla-firefox and then the new package is just firefox
[03:55] <seth_k> yep, and firefox provides mozilla-firefox
[03:55] <seth_k> for compatibility
[03:55] <randabis> correct
[03:56] <tsaphah> hmm, well is found it under mozilla-firefox, but not just firefox
[03:56] <seth_k> tsaphah: then you're using vanilla hoary
[03:57] <stibby> does anyone here use a wireless PCI card 102.11b that is picked up during the install?
[03:57] <tsaphah> Is that bad? or what exactly does that mean?
[03:57] <stibby> i am in need of one
[03:57] <seth_k> tsaphah, that's fine
[03:58] <tsaphah> ok
[03:58] <weijie90> hi
[03:59] <weijie90> anyone home>
[03:59] <tsaphah> more or less, what's up weijie? Just ask your question :)
[03:59] <seth_k> yeah, small talk is for #debian :D
[04:00] <gdh> we deal with the searing issues of the day.
[04:00] <gdh> "GNOME teh suq" - more at 11.
[04:01] <seth_k> rolleye
[04:01] <randabis> stibby: couldn't find any on the list?
[04:01] <weijie90> i got sick of gnome
[04:01] <seth_k> good
[04:01] <weijie90> hows kde
[04:01] <randabis> stibby: you could always just get a wireless g card...They should still work on b networks
[04:01] <gdh> gnome feels like being trapped in a beautifully-designed room that is just far far far too small.
[04:01] <randabis> kde brings balance to the force
[04:01] <weijie90> lol
[04:02] <randabis> kde is like a big bed with tons of throw pillows and frilly blankets on it
[04:02] <randabis> you can take all the fluff off if you want
[04:02] <gdh> Yes :)
[04:02] <gdh> god we're good.
[04:03] <weijie90> :D
[04:03] <Tm_T> hey! that's sexual!
[04:03] <Tm_T> you pervert
[04:03] <randabis> sexual chocolate
[04:03] <weijie90> any differences between openoffice and koffice?
[04:03] <gdh> Tm_T: you have genitalia on your back?
[04:03] <weijie90> lol
[04:03] <gdh> weijie90: Koffice is fast, but Openoffice is good :)
[04:03] <Tm_T> gdh: not really... as you well know
[04:03] <seth_k> KOffice doesn't take 11 days to compile from source?
[04:03] <seth_k> Do I win?
[04:04] <gdh> hahaha :)
[04:04] <gdh> damn the secret's out
[04:05] <randabis> haha
[04:05] <weijie90> i wish theres a good linux alternative for powerpoint thats as easy to use
[04:05] <randabis> oo.o does take an eternity to compile
[04:06] <gdh> who gives a shit about compiling - it takes 10-20 seconds to /open/
[04:06] <gdh> *boggle*
[04:06] <seth_k> weijie90: Impress is pretty dern good
[04:06] <seth_k> except for secondary screen presentations
[04:06] <seth_k> that stinks
[04:06] <seth_k> have you tried the 2.0 betae?
[04:07] <seth_k> mmmmm
[04:07] <Tm_T> errr, who need any PP like stuff?
[04:07] <weijie90> whats secondary screen presentations
[04:07] <seth_k> students? salesmen? teachers?
[04:07] <gdh> Tm_T: oddly, people with day jobs :)
[04:07] <Tm_T> I got once a PP stuff in email
[04:07] <seth_k> weijie90: where you show the powerpoint on like a projector hooked to your computer
[04:07] <seth_k> instead of right on your monitor
[04:07] <Tm_T> there was 2 lines of text and tons of ugly "eyecandy"
[04:07] <weijie90> oh
[04:08] <weijie90> i use ppt for my school projects
[04:08] <weijie90> my school sucks
[04:08] <gdh> Tm_T: yes but that was sent by the same sort of people who don't know how to use a computer, who'd just paste multiple pictures into a word .doc because they don't know how to do anything else.
[04:08] <weijie90> it uses windows for everything
[04:08] <gdh> the world uses windows for everything, so it's not as if it's doing you wrong :/
[04:09] <weijie90> it restricts access to the "run" and a lot of other stuff but i made a batch file to get access to a dos window
[04:09] <randabis> hmm, I'll cringe at the day I need powerpoint for commercial truck driving :p
[04:09] <gdh> if that cunt Jobs had got in and spammed your school with Macs, then I'd be worries.
[04:09] <randabis> aww macs are cute :p
[04:09] <gdh> Gates is a businessman, he just wants your money. There's nothing wrong with that. Jobs is a cunt, he wants your soul.
[04:10] <randabis> There definitely is some truth to that
[04:10] <randabis> Just look at ipod owners
[04:10] <gdh> yep all those millions of people 'thinking different' :) way to go, guys.
[04:10] <randabis> it's like a cult :p
[04:11] <weijie90> why is ipod bad?
[04:11] <weijie90> theres ipod-linux too
[04:11] <randabis> heh and just asking to get mugged with those white earbuds
[04:11] <gdh> Apple give you a device which has half the features at twice the price
[04:11] <randabis> there's been over 12,000 ipod jackings to date
[04:11] <gdh> randabis: and every single one deserves it :)
[04:11] <gdh> poetic justice
[04:11] <randabis> lolz
[04:12] <weijie90> any cheap and better aternatives?
[04:12] <randabis> gotta confess though, my sister does have an ipod mini :p
[04:12] <gdh> weijie90: Look at any of the 'iAudio' products - /beautiful/ devices.
[04:12] <randabis> weijie90: creative has a good lineup, IAudio is good too
[04:12] <gdh> if you want cheap, there are no end of no-name taiwanese imports
[04:13] <seth_k> I got my 40GB 3G iPod for $60, I'm not complaining :)
[04:13] <randabis> haha
[04:13] <weijie90> lol i have a really cheap singapore dollars $99 mp3 player 256mb but the features are less than average
[04:13] <randabis> I used to have an archos mp3 player with a 20gig hard drive
[04:13] <Tm_T> whoa
[04:13] <randabis> it stopped working though so I took out the hard drive and put it in my laptop when my laptop's hard drive crapped out on me
[04:14] <seth_k> haha, that's being resourceful
[04:14] <gdh> the ipod shuffle is on the most stupid premise anywya - I *WANT* to hear an album in the order that the artist recorded it, thanks.
[04:14] <randabis> yeah
[04:14] <seth_k> gdh: gotta market flaws as features! :O
[04:14] <randabis> the hard drive in the laptop was really old (only like 6 gigs) so it was all good
[04:14] <gdh> uuuuurrrgggg
[04:14] <seth_k> although to be fair, you can turn the shuffle off with a switch on the back
[04:14] <randabis> that laptop is old, but runs kubuntu fine
[04:15] <gdh> seth_k: Don't cloud the argument with facts :)
[04:15] <randabis> hehe
[04:15] <seth_k> erm, I'm not in #gentoo
[04:15] <gdh> <OMGOMG 0.5% SPEED INCREASE USING -O7!!!"?"!?!"?!"?"!??!!"!">
[04:15] <seth_k> that's where they refuse to acknowledge that compiling from source does NOT make any system equivalent to my 3GHz
[04:15] <randabis> gotta love having a full featured OS that runs at a reasonable speed on only 450 mhz and 224 mb of ram :p
[04:16] <randabis> gdh: HAHA lolz I rice my gentooz
[04:16] <seth_k> omai, i use teh gentoo so my 450MHz box pwns j00 3GHz box!!!!111ONEONEELEVEN
[04:16] <seth_k> :D
[04:16] <kalenedrael> haha
[04:16] <seth_k> or in America's Army: "haha noob I fragged j00 cause I use teh gentoo!!"
[04:16] <gdh> help yourselves, ladies and gentlemen :)
[04:16] <kalenedrael> funroll-loops.org
[04:17] <gdh> that site's one of my favourites :)
[04:17] <gdh> now with 20% less bloat (apparently)
[04:17] <weijie90> i tried gentoo
[04:17] <randabis> I used to BE gentoo lolz
[04:17] <weijie90> i couldnt get my eciadsl driver to connect like it did on ubuntu
[04:18] <randabis> yes, I was a ricer for a time, until I slapped some sense into myself
[04:18] <kalenedrael> i have better things to do with my time than compile each program from source for a 2% speed increase
[04:18] <weijie90> and i wanted kde
[04:18] <seth_k> imo that's Ubuntu's single greatest feat
[04:18] <seth_k> such good hardware compatibility
[04:18] <weijie90> lol
[04:18] <randabis> yeah yeally
[04:18] <randabis> really even
[04:18] <gdh> I don't suppose Canonical would be too keen on a slogan of "It just fucking works, OK?"
[04:18] <seth_k> nope
[04:18] <seth_k> I think that violates something in the Code of Conduct
[04:19] <randabis> lolz
[04:19] <seth_k> they looooove the Code
[04:19] <seth_k> hehe
[04:19] <gdh> aye, or some of that debian hippy shit they inherited :)
[04:19] <weijie90> how do i use a usb mp3 player on linux?
[04:20] <randabis> plug it in
[04:20] <weijie90> if i dont remove the device safley in windows it will malfunction and wont work
[04:20] <weijie90> do i "umount" it or what
[04:20] <randabis> if it is supported it should probably mount itself if hal is working
[04:20] <randabis> yeah you would umount it
[04:20] <seth_k> mmm, gotta love synergy
[04:20] <seth_k> $productivity++;
[04:21] <weijie90> hmm... normally what device is it listed in? /dev???
[04:21] <weijie90> is it /dev/???
[04:21] <weijie90> or sda
[04:21] <randabis> it would more than likely mount itself in /media
[04:21] <kalenedrael> yeah
[04:21] <randabis> but you SHOULD get an icon on the desktop if it works
[04:21] <weijie90> ooh
[04:22] <kalenedrael> or in konqueror's devices tab
[04:22] <randabis> yeah
[04:22] <gdh> you've no idea how much background work was involved in getting all that hal nonsense to work =)
[04:22] <gdh> it's 2005 and finally linux users get an auto icon when they put a CD in
[04:22] <randabis> I don't even wanna think about it
[04:22] <gdh> teh fj3ar
[04:22] <randabis> it'd make my head explode
[04:23] <randabis> now we just need the damn eject button to work without needing to pass umount to the cdrom :p
[04:23] <weijie90> how much has linux responded to the haloween document?
[04:23] <randabis> I just type eject anyway but go figure
[04:24] <weijie90> http://lwn.net/images/ns/impress.jpg im pretty impressed now. 
[04:24] <gdh> weijie90: It went 'wwwoooOOOOOOOooooo!"
[04:24] <weijie90> Impress on oOo does work
[04:24] <weijie90> lol
[04:24] <randabis> haloween document?
[04:24] <weijie90> some confidental but leaked memo in microsoft
[04:25] <weijie90> on how to kill linux
[04:25] <gdh> Yeh, MS 'internal' propoganda
[04:25] <kalenedrael> for all your anti-MS needs, go to fuckmicrosoft.com
[04:25] <randabis> meh
[04:25] <randabis> that page never gets updated
[04:26] <weijie90> im not really a bill-basher
[04:27] <monchy> he's a good guy, donates to alot of charities
[04:27] <gdh> :)
[04:27] <gdh> cynics would say purely for tax breaks.
[04:27] <weijie90> is konqueror or firefox better
[04:27] <seth_k> try both, use to taste
[04:27] <seth_k> konqueror is the IE of Linux :P built-in to KDE
[04:27] <monchy> konq 3.5 will be better
[04:28] <monchy> guarenteed
[04:28] <gdh> when konq works with maps.google I'll be happy :)
[04:28] <seth_k> I use Firefox b/c KHTML is... meh
[04:28] <randabis> atm I use firefox more, but konqueror and khtml aren't bad
[04:28] <monchy> :o
[04:28] <weijie90> i think that file-browser and webpage browser combined is cool
[04:29] <randabis> it's alright I suppose
[04:29] <randabis> probably an extension out there for firefox to do the same thing or similar
[04:30] <weijie90> some pages dont work well with firefox but are ok for IE
[04:30] <gdh> if it doesn't work in FF, the web designer should be publically hanged
[04:30] <Octane> any guides on getting alsa to work properly?
[04:30] <seth_k> I ran IE6 in Wine and it brought down my entire computer :D ONLY program that has ever crashed the entire Kubuntu
[04:30] <seth_k> Octane: with mixing and stuff?
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:31] <Octane> seth_k no just getting the damn thing to work
[04:31] <Octane> LOL
[04:31] <seth_k> heh
[04:31] <Octane> i think arts was working before or whatever
[04:31] <Octane> fuck i forgot how much of a pain in the ass it is to start with a fresh nix system
[04:31] <gdh> alsa does nothing for me but add latency :/
[04:31] <seth_k> it should set everything up for you if you install vanilla kubuntu... you get no sound at all?
[04:31] <learning> hi all
[04:32] <gdh> so I stick to good ol' OSS /dev/dsp drivers
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[04:32] <seth_k> :O OSS
[04:32] <seth_k> blasphemy
[04:32] <weijie90> is apt-build good?
[04:32] <Octane> seth_k i had sound but then amarok wasnt working
[04:32] <Octane> i forgot what i did now i dont have sound
[04:32] <penguinboy> hey learning
[04:32] <Octane> the problem is that all my h/w is so new
[04:32] <Octane> i cant even get firefox to hav flash
 when I drag the play-bar it jumps to that point in the track immediately not a few hundred milliseconds after
[04:32] <Octane> becuase i have a 64 bit machine
[04:32] <Octane> and flash 64 bit is nto even out yet
[04:33] <Octane> so i can either not use flash or downgrade to firefox 32
[04:33] <learning> i have a question it has been going on for about a month now for some reason mysystem seems to "lag" for lack of better words and i'm not sure if its the hdparm.conf settings or what
[04:33] <learning> but its really annoying
[04:33] <seth_k> GUI lags? disk access lags?
[04:33] <learning> i restart and then after say an hour its back to how it was
[04:33] <learning> the gui lags
[04:33] <learning> as if if the harddrive is having a hard time
[04:33] <learning> getting the input from the i/o request
[04:34] <learning> i did a vmstat and there is like 256 CS 
[04:34] <kalenedrael> Octane, you're on linux, right?
[04:34] <kalenedrael> er, firefox on linux
[04:34] <gdh> kalenedrael: :D
[04:34] <learning> procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu----
[04:34] <learning>  r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   so    bi    bo   in    cs us sy id wa
[04:34] <learning>  0  0   2788  30520  43852 268820    0    0    66    23 1052   535 26  7 67  1
[04:35] <learning> isn't that 535 a bit high?
[04:35] <gdh> learning: erk, that's a lot of switching...
[04:35] <learning> yeah i know
[04:35] <gdh> yeh it is
[04:35] <learning> but i have no clue how to resolve it
[04:35] <gdh> oh, hang on
[04:35] <Octane> kalenedrael: yah im kubuntu
[04:35] <learning> would it be a read ahead parm or something?
[04:35] <Octane> kalenedrael oh youre in #nvidia too hi there :)
[04:35] <gdh> my own system is doing about 800 cs per second, and it's idle...
[04:35] <gdh> wtf?
[04:36] <gdh> and it's an elderly p3-650
[04:36] <learning> there you go
[04:36] <learning> thats what i was wondering
[04:36] <gdh> ahh
[04:36] <learning> before it was like 100 tops iirc
[04:36] <gdh> nspluginviewer is occupying 99% CPU
[04:36] <learning> but now its way p there
[04:36] <nmorse> Is Breezy actually going to have a graphical installer?
[04:37] <gdh> must've crashed hours ago
[04:37] <weijie90> hmm.. how old are u guys
[04:37] <learning> i'm 3
[04:37] <randabis> procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu----
[04:37] <randabis>  r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   so    bi    bo   in    cs us sy id wa
[04:37] <randabis>  2  0 204212   4284   6824 166092    2    2    98    63    2    56 27 10 61  2
[04:37] <gdh> weijie90: 107
[04:37] <nmorse> 17
[04:37] <randabis> wee
[04:37] <weijie90> im almot15
[04:37] <learning> randabis, i hate you :p
[04:37] <learning> your just 500 cs below me haha
[04:37] <seth_k> nmorse: yep
[04:37] <nmorse> weijie90: I started using Linux when I was 14
[04:37] <seth_k> nmorse: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
[04:37] <randabis> lol
[04:37] <learning> so any idea how to resolve this cause its really annoying
[04:38] <randabis> no clue sir
[04:38] <weijie90> when i was 13 i had bad expierences with RED HAT 9
[04:38] <randabis> is dma on?
[04:38] <learning> and my system is a p4 3.2 with 512 meg or ram and it shouldn't be draggin like this
[04:38] <seth_k> Red Hat 9 turned me off of Linux for a year :D
[04:38] <weijie90> cos of modem driver eciadsl
[04:38] <seth_k> then Mandrake 9 turned me off for ANOTHER year
[04:38] <nmorse> I started with Debian 2.1, then Red Hat 8 & 9, SuSE 8.2
[04:38] <seth_k> SuSE 9.1 saved Linux for me
[04:38] <learning> yeah dma is on
[04:38] <seth_k> and now Kubuntu is the sechs
[04:38] <nmorse> Went back to Debian, played with Mandrake and a dozen others, went to Gentoo, wound up here
[04:39] <learning> i jus tdon't understand what is causing all that stuff
[04:39] <weijie90> when i was 12 and stupid i rezised the winxp partition and destroyed my siblings data
[04:39] <nmorse> suckage
[04:39] <learning> what is your hdparm.conf or have yo changed any of those settings
[04:39] <learning> maybe thats my problem
[04:40] <seth_k> use pastebin, is easier
[04:40] <seth_k> http://www.pastebin.com/
[04:40] <nmorse> weijie90: stick with linux for a few years and you'll know way more than anyone else when you go to college if you go into a computer degree
[04:40] <gdh> yeh , a click is easier for us lazy people =)
[04:40] <weijie90> thanks
[04:40] <weijie90> i plan to do that
[04:40] <penguinboy> The Amazing Adventures of PenguinBoy...www.penguinboy.us
[04:40] <monchy> don't forget orneryboy
[04:40] <nmorse> I start Comp Sci at TU in August
[04:41] <gdh> penguinboy: Does this need an AdultCheck ID?
[04:41] <weijie90> i hope university does not teach me visual basic
[04:41] <seth_k> gdh: doesn't look like it, just a blog
[04:41] <penguinboy> lol
[04:41] <gdh> weijie90: Cross your fingers it teaches somethign useful like C#
[04:41] <nmorse> They start with Java these days
[04:41] <penguinboy> lol
[04:41] <randabis> learning: my hdparm.conf is completely default
[04:41] <nmorse> Then you move on to a specialty
[04:41] <weijie90> MIT..?
[04:42] <nmorse> I'll probably look at comparative languages
[04:42] <nmorse> No idea what MIT does
[04:42] <nmorse> I'm going to the University of Tulsa
[04:42] <weijie90> im stil in secondary 3, or whatever it is in the usa when u are 15
[04:42] <nmorse> Could have gone to MIT
[04:43] <nmorse> or West Point
[04:43] <gdh> :)
[04:43] <weijie90> i read about the MIT hacks
[04:43] <nmorse> But I really wanted to go to Hawaii
[04:43] <nmorse> Not enough money, though
[04:43] <weijie90> i gtg
[04:43] <nmorse> Could have gone to Yale or Harvard too
[04:43] <weijie90> bye guys
[04:43] <nmorse> see you
[04:43] <penguinboy> night
[04:43] <learning> ok
[04:43] <learning> mind posting yours
[04:43] <nmorse> National Merit Scholar opens a lot of doors
[04:43] <learning> ill try it
[04:43] <learning> cause like i say it was fast then i tried to optimize and i think i jacked p the hdparm.conf file
[04:43] <weijie90> hmm... its morning is singapore
[04:43] <gdh> Could've been a surf bum, but joined the army instead =)
[04:43] <gdh> what an epitaph
[04:44] <nmorse> The army?
[04:44] <gdh> isn't that what west point is infamous for?
[04:44] <gdh> I'm in the UK,so you'll have to excuse my ignorance of the US :)
[04:44] <nmorse> Yeah, the Army officer training
[04:44] <nmorse> Come out 2nd Lieutenant
[04:44] <nmorse> First guys out of the foxholes
[04:45] <gdh> That sounds kinky.
[04:45] <nmorse> Boot camp for normal people is 6 weeks
[04:45] <nmorse> They lock you up for your first year at West Point
[04:45] <gdh> Builds character, or something.
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[04:45] <penguinboy> gdh lol
[04:45] <nmorse> Beats me why they do it
[04:46] <gdh> Beats them too, I'll wager
[04:46] <penguinboy> lol
[04:46] <gdh> 'The beatings will continue until morale improves' etc.
[04:46] <nmorse> Probably not
[04:46] <randabis> I'll go to shoe camp
[04:46] <learning> randabis, did yo past that ?
[04:46] <randabis> or pillow camp
[04:46] <nmorse> After the first year, they teach you tennis and gof
[04:46] <gdh> Is there a slipper camp?
[04:46] <gdh> haha
[04:46] <nmorse> golf*
[04:46] <gdh> hahaha :)
[04:46] <randabis> hehe
[04:47] <penguinboy> Loose women lying in ponds, passing out swords, is no basis for a system of goverment!
[04:47] <gdh> hahha :))
[04:47] <gdh> Lady of the lake, indeed.
[04:47] <learning> can someone please post me the default hdparm.conf 
[04:47] <nmorse> Monty Python, classic dry British wit
[04:47] <gdh> Camelot! (it's only a model) (shaddap!)
[04:47] <penguinboy> wonderful British humor
[04:47] <Koala> Evening.. I just installed 5.04PPC of Kubuntu on a G3 laptop and I have a problem with the video I hope someone can help me with..
[04:48] <penguinboy> I have never had success with Kubuntu and laptops
[04:48] <gdh> # ... we eat ham and jam and spam a lot :)
[04:48] <nmorse> Works on mine
[04:48] <penguinboy> Spam...I love it!
[04:48] <nmorse> Spam! Spam! and Eggs!
[04:48] <nmorse> Or do you want Spam, spam, spam, and eggs?
[04:48] <seth_k> I'm running kubuntu on a laptop *shrug*
[04:48] <seth_k> but PPC *shudder
[04:48] <randabis> learning: one sec
[04:48] <nmorse> Couldn't get it to work on my G3 iMac
[04:48] <nmorse> One of the grape ones
[04:49] <penguinboy> I think I;ll have the spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, and eggs but hold the eggs, please!
[04:49] <nmorse> 333 mHz
[04:49] <gdh> seth_k: I hope you let all the Mac weenies see that you're 'wasting' a Mac bby not running OS X :)
[04:49] <learning> k
[04:49] <nmorse> Good, choice penguinboy 
[04:49] <nmorse> 333mHz and 96 MB of RAM isn't wasting much
[04:49] <gdh> eek :)
[04:49] <seth_k> gdh; I'm not running a Mac! :O
[04:49] <Koala> Many of the window title bars have  graphic corruption.. vertical bars or dots..  once in a while the entire colors of the screen look psychadelic, and on certain parts of the screen there is corruption where the mouse moves.. ie) in the letters of kubuntu on the desktop when i move the mouse there it fills up with blue pixels..
[04:49] <seth_k> gdh: the very thought! *shudder*
[04:49] <penguinboy> i could never get Kubuntu to recognize my wireless
[04:50] <seth_k> gdh: that Koala guy is
[04:50] <nmorse> My first linux box was 350 mHz with 128 MB
[04:50] <gdh> seth_k:  ah k , misunderstood
[04:50] <nmorse> Koala: did you see if your model has a known issue like that?
[04:50] <Koala> I'm using a G3 333, with 384 MB of RAM.. it runs really snappy.. if it wasn't for this video issue...
[04:50] <gdh> my first linux box.. actually wasn't a box.. was a motherboard, VESA local bus and ISA network card all wedged down the back of my desk
[04:50] <gdh> it fit really nicely in the gap
[04:51] <nmorse> Nice
[04:51] <nmorse> That's some computer
[04:51] <penguinboy> kewl gdh
[04:51] <gdh> surprisingly reliable :)
[04:51] <Koala> nmorse: I've search the ubuntu message boards but come up with nothing...
[04:51] <gdh> And my "P75 in a cardboard box" was a local legend.
[04:51] <nmorse> Did you check the Supported Hardware wiki?
[04:51] <penguinboy> Welcome Ben_Babcock
[04:51] <nmorse> gdh: you're insane
[04:51] <randabis> learning: http://pastebin.com/299223
[04:51] <learning> thank you
[04:51] <gdh> nmorse: I even cut the holes out for the keyboard/nic / serial :))
[04:51] <Koala> I've tried Ubunto with gnome.. the desktop has no corruption BUT any video such as divx is filled with white shimmering pixels.. plus Gnome seems much slower than KDE
[04:52] <nmorse> Try it in Legos
[04:52] <gdh> a fire hazard,  yes, but much cooler than that :D
[04:52] <Koala> nmorse: do you have a link for that?
[04:52] <nmorse> No corruption in GNOME?
[04:52] <randabis> I share your last name Ben
[04:52] <nmorse> No corruption in GNOME at all?
[04:52] <nmorse> Hmm
[04:52] <nmorse> gdh: check out mini-itx.com
[04:52] <penguinboy> Welcome Albert...pull up a chair...and warm yourself by the fire!
[04:52] <gdh> Um Bongo is fun =)
[04:52] <nmorse> that's crazy computer stuff
[04:52] <randabis> Gnome is corrupt. :p they pullin' a conspiracy
[04:52] <gdh> nmorse: hehe yes seen that... PC in a humidor etc. =)
[04:53] <Koala> in GNOME, no.. just when watching videos with totem or vlc etc..  But in KDE it's in the desktop.. haven't even tried videos yet in KDE
[04:53] <nmorse> I like the Red Hat and Windows box one
[04:53] <randabis> mac mini :)
[04:53] <gdh> randabis: the mac mini one /is/ stupid =)
[04:53] <nmorse> Mac Mini's are hard to replicate with x86 stuff
[04:53] <nmorse> They can't even fit a CD in
[04:53] <nmorse> I like our actual Mac Mini
[04:53] <gdh> replacing a lovely fast machine with VIA c3 crap =)
[04:53] <nmorse> Exactly
[04:54] <nmorse> And not even making it a MythTV box
[04:54] <randabis> meh thar be powerpc in the mini though
[04:54] <gdh> indeed, I have a C3 for my VDR box...
[04:54] <gdh> right tool for the job, etc.
[04:54] <Octane> i know ctrl+alt+bspace is to restart x but whats the command to exit it
[04:54] <seth_k> that's really the command to kill X. It just auto-restarts
[04:55] <gdh> Octane: You just right click on the desktop and select Log Off
[04:55] <nmorse> Yeah, the auto-spawn can be turned off
[04:55] <gdh> Log Out...
[04:55] <nmorse> or a sudo killall kdm
[04:55] <Octane> i know but im in kdm
[04:55] <gdh> drop to a console and /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[04:55] <nmorse> Killing is good for you
[04:55] <nmorse> Try an xkill sometime
[04:55] <Octane> ah great thanks
[04:55] <gdh> death is natural
[04:55] <nmorse> or a kill -9
[04:55] <gdh> xkill is fun with KDE ,, just Ctrl-Alt-Escape
[04:56] <gdh> to get the skull-and-crossbones cursor
[04:56] <gdh> that will kill any window you like
[04:56] <nmorse> didn't know that
[04:56] <gdh> neither did I until this week =)
[04:56] <nmorse> I killed my wallpaper
[04:56] <gdh> you heartless swine! :D
[04:56] <seth_k> really? i had to learn that way back in the day, when Red Hat crashed all the time :P
[04:56] <penguinboy> I once kiled a guinea pig
[04:56] <seth_k> and Gnome can't do it
[04:57] <nmorse> Stupid wallpaper
[04:57] <gdh> nop
[04:57] <nmorse> My whole root window crashed
[04:57] <learning> randabis, is that complete?
[04:57] <nmorse> Hang on, I'll take a screenshot
[04:57] <gdh> penguinboy: I think you're in the wrong channel :)
[04:57] <learning> cause mine had some script stuff in it
[04:57] <penguinboy> lol
[04:57] <learning> that i know i didn't put there
[04:57] <randabis> learning: I believe so
[04:57] <randabis> learning: wait
[04:57] <learning> mind double checking please?
[04:57] <penguinboy> let me just /join #Spport Group for Guinea Pig Killers
[04:57] <randabis> it wasn't complete
[04:58] <gdh> Agh, you're up too late when you get emails from the overnight cronjobs
[04:58] <randabis> learning: I just viewed it in nano and there's more...I used less before :/
[04:58] <nmorse> Hmm, where to upload this lovely screenie
[04:58] <Koala> Hmmm... no one with any ideas? - Video card in the laptop is a Rage PRO LT 8MB..
[04:58] <penguinboy> Welcome Quentin...what will you be drinking this evening?
[04:58] <nmorse> No idea, Koala
[04:58] <nmorse> Is there a PPC channel?
[04:58] <penguinboy> yes
[04:59] <penguinboy> type /join #ppc
[04:59] <nmorse> #ubuntu-ppc?
[04:59] <Koala> no-one in #ppc
[04:59] <nmorse> Koala: did you ask in #ubuntu?
[04:59] <penguinboy> looks like it was moved off channel
[05:00] <nmorse> Anyone know what the command to restore my desktop is?
[05:00] <nmorse> kdesktop?
[05:00] <Koala> For the ubuntu problems.. but not for kubuntu issues
[05:00] <nmorse> kdesktop indeed
[05:01] <nmorse> What video driver are you using?
[05:02] <nmorse> Hmm, is Breezy's graphical installer going to be just a tie-in to d-i?
[05:02] <gdh> d-i has a graphical mode?
[05:03] <nmorse> No, but it can be tied into
[05:03] <gdh> I don't get what the obsession is over a mouse-driven interface...
[05:03] <gdh> the hoary installer asks about 4 questions
[05:03] <nmorse> There's no GUI fo it yet due to Debian's 11 architecture mess
[05:03] <nmorse> I like the normal d-i myself too
[05:03] <nmorse> I particularly like tasksel
[05:04] <gdh> if the magazines give a whole distro a bad review because the installer didn't jerk them off, that's not much to worry about
[05:04] <nmorse> Beats me why tasksel isn't in the installer for us to use
[05:04] <gdh> tasksel is horrid :)
[05:04] <nmorse> I love tasksel
[05:04] <nmorse> It makes it easy to define between server, desktop, gaming box, debian jr., etc.
[05:04] <Koala> hmmm.. sigh.. this sucks.. everything else seems to be working well..
[05:04] <gdh> woody.... do you want to run tasksel? NO! .... do you want to run dselect? sweet jesus NO! :D
[05:05] <nmorse> God forbid dselect should come back
[05:05] <gdh> dselect is Debian at its finest - function over form.
[05:05] <nmorse> any form that is
[05:07] <randabis> heh
[05:11] <Koala> Here's the weird thing.. I changed the window decoration from Plastik to Keramik and the corruption disappears...  It appears to happen only with Plastik
[05:17] <learning> randabis, i never got that file :(
[05:18] <grantly> i need help
[05:18] <penguinboy> ask
[05:18] <learning> this is slow as crap is it not ?
[05:18] <learning> /dev/hda:
[05:18] <learning>  Timing cached reads:   368 MB in  2.02 seconds = 182.12 MB/sec
[05:18] <learning>  Timing buffered disk reads:   48 MB in  3.04 seconds =  15.80 MB/sec
[05:18] <grantly> when I download programs I dont know how to install them (such as tar.gz files)
[05:19] <penguinboy> don;t download tarballs...they are too difficult to install from
[05:19] <penguinboy> use Synaptic
[05:19] <grantly> what if the programs not in there
[05:19] <penguinboy> it should be
[05:20] <gdh> you have enabled the 'universe' repository?
[05:20] <penguinboy> are all of the repositories checked in Synaptic?
[05:20] <grantly> umm i dont know
[05:20] <penguinboy> what are you looking for?
[05:20] <penguinboy> grantly: you do have Synaptic insyalled?
[05:20] <grantly> yes
[05:20] <penguinboy> k
[05:21] <penguinboy> click on settings and then repositories
[05:21] <penguinboy> make sure all are check marked
[05:21] <grantly> ok hold on 
[05:21] <randabis> tar.gz isn't hard to install from :p (if you know what you're doing)
[05:22] <penguinboy> lol
[05:22] <nmorse> not on slack maybe
[05:22] <gdh> you will just generally need a shitload of -dev packages installed :)
[05:22] <nmorse> or with alien
[05:22] <penguinboy> important part...if you know what you are doing LOL
[05:22] <nmorse> if it's a slack package, alien will actually convert it
[05:22] <nmorse> Alien is a neat program
[05:22] <penguinboy> yes it is
[05:22] <scanwinder> is there an equivilant to "manage third party software" from ubuntu in kubuntu?
[05:23] <grantly> there are no check marks to check just a list 
[05:23] <nmorse> crud, it'll still make Stampede packages
[05:23] <grantly> nevermind found it
[05:23] <penguinboy> there should be check boxes
[05:23] <gdh> oo Stampede :) isn't that what Gentoo became?
[05:23] <penguinboy> wb kk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:24] <gdh> the start of the whole 'optimised for modern CPUs' nonsense
[05:24] <gdh> 0.05% faster. wewt.
[05:25] <gdh> :)))
[05:25] <nmorse> what became Gentoo, actually
[05:25] <gdh> nmorse: Yes, taht's what I meant =)
[05:25] <grantly> what if I cant find a program in synaptic then how do i install it
[05:25] <nmorse> What package
[05:25] <nmorse> ?
[05:25] <gdh> grantly: with difficulty =)
[05:25] <grantly> just anything
[05:25] <gdh> there ain't no SETUP.EXE here...
[05:25] <nmorse> Try Corel Photopaint
[05:25] <randabis> you must use the force
[05:25] <nmorse> That's a linux program that's hard to install
[05:25] <penguinboy> The Gimp
[05:26] <nmorse> Mostly because the stuff it depends on is god-awful and deprecated
[05:26] <nmorse> Use Krita, not the Gimp
[05:26] <penguinboy> wb
[05:27] <randabis> the gimp gets all the chicks though lawl
[05:27] <gdh> it's the rubber mask, I tell ye.
[05:27] <randabis> yayez
[05:27] <gdh> brings out the dominatrix in them all
[05:28] <randabis> fo' shizzle
[05:28] <penguinboy> my Synaptic is stuck
[05:28] <gdh> on that note - it's getting light - I should go to bed.
[05:28] <penguinboy> ngiht gdh
[05:28] <gdh> stay black, niggas =)
[05:28] <seth_k> haha
[05:28] <nmorse> night
[05:28] <seth_k> night gdh
[05:28] <penguinboy> lol
[05:30] <randabis> hehe
[05:30] <penguinboy> how can I force Synaptic to shut doen?
[05:30] <NowhereMan> anybody bravely using kubuntu on PPC?
[05:30] <randabis> killall synaptic?
[05:30] <seth_k> penguinboy: CTRL ALT ESC then click on it
[05:30] <monchy> hm cdrdao is missing from the repositories
[05:30] <seth_k> if you're in KDE
[05:30] <seth_k> otherwise what randabis said
[05:31] <seth_k> monchy: it's in universe iirc
[05:31] <grantly> how do I fix this in synaptc when i try to add reposotories
[05:31] <grantly> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[05:31] <penguinboy> KEWL
[05:31] <seth_k> answer: don't use marillat repos
[05:31] <seth_k> if you need something in there, use backports instead
[05:31] <randabis> marillat is teh devil
[05:31] <randabis> lolz
[05:32] <seth_k> it is at least teh bustage
[05:32] <monchy> don't see it
[05:32] <seth_k> monchy: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/otherosfs/cdrdao
[05:32] <seth_k> it's in universe
[05:33] <monchy> aha, thank you
[05:33] <seth_k> use (s|k)ynaptic to yoink it though
[05:33] <seth_k> don't install directly if you can help it
[05:33] <monchy> i did, searched for it and it did not come up
[05:33] <seth_k> you have universe repos enabled?
[05:34] <seth_k> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the # marks from the 4 universe lines
[05:34] <monchy> was already done oO
[05:34] <seth_k> ermm
[05:34] <seth_k> did you reload?
[05:34] <seth_k> it should be there
[05:35] <monchy> yeah reloaded
[05:35] <monchy> ah i'll figure it out, it can't just dissapear lol
[05:36] <penguinboy> note to self...do not CTRL-ALT-ESC and then click on the taskbar
[05:36] <seth_k> heh
[05:36] <monchy> think i'll give core 4 a whirl while i'm screwing around
[05:38] <penguinboy> Is Fedora Core 4 any improvement over Fedora Core 1-3?
[05:39] <seth_k> sure, it went from terrible to bad
[05:39] <seth_k> :D
[05:39] <monchy> lol
[05:39] <penguinboy> lol
[05:39] <penguinboy> lol
[05:39] <penguinboy> lol
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[05:39] <penguinboy> does life get any better than Kubuntu?
[05:39] <monchy> well i tried earlier but anaconda really fu*ked things up
[05:39] <monchy> i'm just determined i don't like when i can't make things work
[05:40] <penguinboy> perhaps I should loan you my IBM Thinkpad R40 and see if you can get the wireless to work in Kubuntu
[05:41] <penguinboy> sadly I cannot
[05:41] <monchy> can i keep it
[05:41] <penguinboy> lol
[05:41] <monchy> ;p
[05:41] <penguinboy> orneryboy
[05:41] <monchy> rocks
[05:41] <penguinboy> www.orneryboy.com
[05:41] <monchy> best web-comic ever
[05:42] <penguinboy> yes
[05:42] <penguinboy> next to Dork Tower
[05:43] <penguinboy> This comic is not recommended for small children
[05:43] <thunderdawg> hi
[05:43] <penguinboy> hey
[05:43] <thunderdawg> just finished installing kubuntu on my mac mini
[05:43] <penguinboy> or medium children
[05:43] <thunderdawg> very very nice
[05:43] <thunderdawg> one question though, 
[05:43] <penguinboy> yes...life does not get any better than Kubuntu my friend...unless it involves seeing Anglina Jolie nekkid
[05:44] <thunderdawg> I am trying to install mozilla-firefox on it, and kynaptic is failing the install because of a MD5Sum mismatch on libbonoboui-2.0?
[05:44] <thunderdawg> how can I solve this
[05:44] <thunderdawg> btw-seeing angeline jolie
[05:44] <thunderdawg> naked
[05:44] <thunderdawg> yup
[05:45] <thunderdawg> too  much
[05:45] <thunderdawg> im sorry to crash your conversation btw
[05:45] <penguinboy> you did not crash
[05:45] <penguinboy> sounds like a question for monchy
[05:45] <seth_k> thunderdawg: US and CA archives are messed up
[05:45] <seth_k> thunderdawg: you'll need to switch repos
[05:45] <thunderdawg> seth_k: to which ones?
[05:46] <seth_k> thunderdawg: by sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list and change to http://archive.ubuntu.com
[05:46] <seth_k> e.g. no us.
[05:48] <thunderdawg> thanks seth_k
[05:48] <seth_k> np
[05:48] <seth_k> they should make an announcement :/
[05:49] <thunderdawg> konversation is fucking sweet
[05:49] <thunderdawg> >xchat (almost I think)
[05:50] <seth_k> I use konversation
[05:50] <seth_k> at least, for now
[05:50] <penguinboy> me 2
[05:50] <seth_k> was just using gaim
[05:50] <Octane> i prefer game and xchat :)
[05:50] <thunderdawg> I'm curious wtf does it still show as ver. 1.0.2 for firefox
[05:50] <thunderdawg> that doesnt sound right
[05:51] <thunderdawg> did they back patch it to ver 1.0.4???
[05:51] <thunderdawg> like when sun patches sendmail for example on solaris?
[05:51] <thunderdawg> wtf?
[05:51] <seth_k> thunderdawg: that's how debian does it
[05:51] <seth_k> security fixes only
[05:51] <Octane> are you using 64 bit thunderdawg 
[05:51] <seth_k> you have all the features of 1.0.4
[05:51] <seth_k> e.g. the fixes
[05:51] <seth_k> but it will say 1.0.2
[05:51] <seth_k> unless you install the backports 1.0.4
[05:52] <Octane> i love kubuntu, but man is my ssytem fucked up, and i dont have the enrgy to start fixing everything :)
[05:53] <thunderdawg> seth_k: Yeah I just read that, so basically I am good to go right???
[05:53] <thunderdawg> righto!!
[05:53] <thunderdawg> ?
[05:53] <seth_k> thunderdawg, yes
[05:53] <thunderdawg> Thanks seth 
[05:53] <seth_k> np
[05:53] <seth_k> bed for me, up early tomorrow :/
[05:53] <seth_k> night all
[05:54] <thunderdawg> Take care seth
[05:54] <thunderdawg> thanks
[05:54] <quam> having some issues with klipper, is there a way to make it so when i paste shit, it pastes what i copied most recently, instead of me having go to klipper and tell it what i want to paste?
[05:54] <Octane> quam, u should ask in #kde
[05:55] <penguinboy> OctaNE:  is this your blog?
[05:55] <penguinboy> very kewl if it is
[05:55] <Octane> penguinboy, what? danjberger.com ?
[05:55] <penguinboy> si
[05:55] <Octane> yes that is my blog
[05:56] <Octane> thank you very much i appreciate it
[05:56] <penguinboy> I congratulate you my friend...this is very intelligent writing
[05:56] <penguinboy> I will add it to my blogroll
[05:56] <Octane> oh wow thank you so much!
[05:56] <penguinboy> I will put you under Political/Social Commentary
[05:56] <Octane> i very much appreciate it
[05:56] <Octane> yes, thats what it is :)))
[05:57] <Octane> knowing i have more readers make sme work harder on it
[05:57] <penguinboy> yes i agree
[05:57] <Octane> i average 60 readers during the week
[05:57] <Octane> and 30 during the w/e
[05:57] <Octane> so i dont do much over the weekend
[05:57] <Octane> and theyre probably readers who catch up if they missed
[05:58] <penguinboy> amazing.....with such fine writing you should have a much larger readership
[05:58] <Octane> thanks again
[05:58] <penguinboy> do you use Word Press....Moveable Type?????
[05:58] <Octane> no, my own code
[05:58] <penguinboy> wowzer
[05:58] <Octane> i think part of it is that i dont whore my blog in the blogosphere
[05:59] <penguinboy> Octane you would like the blog at www.vaughnthompson.com
[05:59] <Octane> graet ill cehck it out
[05:59] <quam> yeah octane, #kde is about as helpful as you are. i came here because this place is for ubuntu specifically setup for kde :P
[05:59] <Octane> quam, good point ;X
[06:00] <mebrelith> Hi guys! I could use some help here... 
[06:01] <mebrelith> Just installed and seem to be stuck at 640x480
[06:02] <penguinboy> did you right click on desktop....then on configure desktop....display...etc?
[06:02] <mebrelith> yep
[06:03] <mebrelith> only available option is 640x480
[06:03] <penguinboy> hhhuummm
[06:03] <mebrelith> took a look at xorg.conf and everything seems alright
[06:04] <randabis> my damn brand new phone charger broke :(
[06:04] <randabis> the plug was very poorly constructed :/
[06:06] <mebrelith> any ideas as to what could the problem be?
[06:06] <quam> octane: figured it out. imagine that, reading the help file actually helps :P
[06:14] <mebrelith> Help! Still stuck at 640x480
[06:15] <penguinboy> sorry mebrelith I am no help on that issue
[06:15] <deuce_> do you dual boot mebrelith 
[06:16] <randabis> mebrelith: sounds like incorrect HorizSync and VertRefresh settings in xorg.conf
[06:16] <mebrelith> let me check again my xorg.conf
[06:16] <randabis> you'll need to find the correct settings for your display and edit xorg.conf
[06:16] <deuce_> which if you dual boot is easy to get from win driver
[06:18] <mebrelith> Dang hadn't noticed that the "monitor" section has no info regarding HorizSync and VertRefresh
"Software is like sex. It's better when it's free." - Linus Torvalds</b>
[06:20] <penguinboy> night guys!
[06:20] <deuce_> night, me 2
[06:29] <Octane> ERROR: The runtime configuration check failed for library 'libGL.so.1.0.7664' (expected: '/emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libGL.so.1', found: '/usr/lib32/libGL.so.1').  The most likely reason for this is that conflicting OpenGL libraries are installed in a location not inspected by `nvidia-installer`.  Please be sure you have uninstalled any third-party OpenGL and third-party graphics driver packages.
[06:29] <Octane> anyone know what may be causing that error?
[06:29] <Octane> thats what the nvidia driver installer tells me
[06:30] <randabis> why don't you just use the nvidia-glx package?
[06:31] <Octane> because i want to make sure i have the latest for my card from nvidia so that it works with transparency
[06:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> octane, do you have a 64 bit system?
[06:33] <Octane> Kamping_Kaiser, yes, i do
[06:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats what causes the error
[06:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> akaik
[06:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> *afaik
[06:34] <Octane> yes i definitely agree with you
[06:34] <Octane> it asked me if i want to install the opengl 32 bit module
[06:34] <Octane> Install NVIDIA's 32bit compatibility OpenGL libraries? (Answer: Yes)
[06:37] <Octane> brb gonna try answering no to that questio
[06:42] <monchy> hm flashplayer-mozilla is gone lol
[06:42] <quam> awesome, just crashed kde with shockwave plugin :P
[06:43] <monchy> damn macrocrapia
[06:48] <randabis> yay
[06:50] <monchy> ?
[07:14] <quam> this place dies at night
[07:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> night is a relative term in irc
[07:15] <quam> not to ethnocentric americans :P
[07:15] <monchy> whats the time where you are kaiser
[07:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> 14:45
[07:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> Australia
[07:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> central time ;)
[07:16] <monchy> so it's sunday there right?
[07:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes.
[07:16] <monchy> weird lol
[07:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> what time is it there?
[07:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> where ever there is :P
[07:17] <monchy> 22:16 saturday night in british columbia, canada
[07:17] <monchy> (west coast)
[07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. west coast canada is what i got, brit columbias to specific ;)
[07:18] <monchy> aw crap is the us.archive.ubuntu.com fubar again
[07:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> monchy, can you connect to k-k.homelinux.net on either port 22 (ssh) or 80 (http)?
[07:20] <monchy> http works
[07:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool. ssh should then
[07:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks
[07:21] <monchy> no worries
[07:21] <monchy> blah damn md5sum
[07:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbs.
[07:24] <monchy> gah
[07:29] <Koala> Does anyone know why a CD with an .avi movie on it will show up using Unbuntu and I can read the files on it, but it Kubuntu it's like the same cd doesn't exist and nothing can be read on it??!?
[07:33] <Koala> hello?
[07:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> nfi. 
[07:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> is this Ubuntu with KDE on it?
[07:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> or Kubuntu?
[07:35] <Koala> This is on a straight Kubuntu install
[07:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. not sure then
[07:36] <Koala> Previously I'd installed Ubuntu without KDE and it mounts fine..
[07:39] <monchy> maybe ask in #kde
[11:46] <Goshawk> hi to all
[11:46] <Goshawk> what about kapture?
[11:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> what about it?
[12:12] <papo> hello, I need some help to change  deps from kdelibs4 to kdelibs4c2 in order to install k3b in breezy. Do you know can I do it?
[12:16] <brosio> hi
[12:16] <brosio> anyone could explain me how automont dvd cd ?
[12:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> dvd cd?
[12:17] <brosio> Kamping_Kaiser, dvd or cd
[12:18] <brosio> and... it's the same...
[12:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> i thought it did automagicaly...
[12:41] <archster> what is the name of the command that goes out and checks the repositories and picks the fastest ones?
[12:48] <Firetech> archster: is there a command that does that?
[12:51] <ruschi> Hi There,
[12:52] <archster> http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Apt-spy
[12:52] <ruschi> has anyone tried a switch from ubuntu to kubuntu
[12:52] <archster> but that's not the name I was thinking of Firetech 
[12:52] <ruschi> does it work without mayor annoyances?
[12:53] <archster> switch..? as in aninstalled ubuntu to add kde ?
[12:53] <ruschi> I have running ubuntu with kde. 
[12:53] <ruschi> but its not kubuntu. What is kubuntu really?
[12:53] <Tm_T> ruschi: ubuntu w/ KDE and Kubuntu artwork
[12:54] <archster> sorry I'm not going to be much help, I was here trying to find answers for a friend running kubuntu ..
[12:54] <ruschi> o.k. so I actually got a kubuntu already.... 
[12:54] <ruschi> thanks.
[12:56] <uniq> archster: netselect-apt? 
[12:57] <archster> ah that sounds more like it uniq 
[12:58] <uniq> don't think it's ubuntu-ready though.
[01:06] <archster> uniq: friend of mine has just installed kubuntu and said: Then it took a huge amount of time testing the network repository.  I don't know if it went out and got more uptodate software or if it was just running that little program that goes out and finds the best repository.
[01:06] <Howitzer> ehh
[01:07] <Howitzer> i'm in the installment of Kubuntu and it is asking me things of default display manager
[01:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[01:07] <Howitzer> and i have to edit a file in order to run multiple display managers(do they mean Gnome and Kubuntu with this?)
[01:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> Gnome and KDE
[01:08] <Tm_T> errr
[01:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> but you dont want to run multipe do you?
[01:08] <Tm_T> KDM and GDM
[01:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> *
[01:08] <Howitzer> ehh
[01:08] <Howitzer> but
[01:08] <Howitzer> oooh
[01:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> my bad
[01:08] <Tm_T> yeah, KDM does the job
[01:08] <Howitzer> it's not like i choose to run Gnome solely or KDE?
[01:09] <Tm_T> no
[01:09] <Howitzer> so it has nothing to do with Gnome or KDE itself
[01:09] <Howitzer> okay
[01:09] <Howitzer> so
[01:09] <Tm_T> you choose what "login manager" you use
[01:09] <Howitzer> what i the best then? gdm or kdm :x
[01:09] <Tm_T> Howitzer: KDM ;)
[01:09] <Howitzer> mm
[01:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> howitzer, dont start a religous war
[01:09] <Howitzer> lol
[01:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> tm_t :P
[01:10] <Howitzer> so if i choose kdm i won't get the login screen i have now?
[01:10] <eikke> hija
[01:10] <Howitzer> okay
[01:10] <Howitzer> i took kdm
[01:10] <Howitzer> if this screw my system, i'll sue you Tm_T  :D
[01:10] <Howitzer> \ o /
[01:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) like to see you try
[01:10] <Howitzer> sueing somebody else or your own retardedness
[01:11] <eikke> if I got an ubuntu installation (with Gnome), can I install kubuntu "on top of it", so users get the choice between gnome and kde at login time (in the xdm)?
[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[01:11] <Howitzer> sounds like american justice \ o /
[01:11] <Howitzer> yes
[01:11] <Howitzer> i want that as well
[01:11] <eikke> oh, nice ;)
[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> joys of unix
[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> *x
[01:11] <Howitzer> how do you do that then actually?(or does it that by itself?)
[01:11] <eikke> any docs on that? (I'm not a beginning linux user, so just some hints should be enough)
[01:12] <Howitzer> does it work like Fluxbox then?
[01:12] <eikke> is it as simple as adding some apt repo?
[01:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> eikke, apt-get install Kubuntu-desktop
[01:12] <Howitzer> eikke, 
[01:12] <eikke> so I dont need any extra repository?
[01:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[01:12] <Howitzer> be sure to change to archive.ubuntu
[01:12] <eikke> hell, thats nice :)
[01:12] <Howitzer> not us.archive
[01:13] <eikke> what for?
[01:13] <Howitzer> because us.archive seems to be screwed a bit
[01:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> us. is down
[01:13] <eikke> ah ;) I wont do it now anyway...
[01:13] <Howitzer> oh
[01:13] <eikke> it'll only be next month or so when I dump my brother and sister's windows installation :) (and I'm no ubuntu user myself)
[01:13] <Howitzer> i got a fail here Oo
[01:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> gl howitzer
[01:13] <eikke> thanks for the help!
[01:14] <Howitzer> Setting up kdm (3.4.0-0ubuntu18) ...
[01:14] <Howitzer>  * Reloading K Display Manager configuration...                                                                                                       [fail] 
[01:14] <Howitzer> invoke-rc.d: initscript kdm, action "reload" failed.
[01:14] <Howitzer> Oo
[01:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[01:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> should have used GDM
[01:14] <Howitzer> am i screwed now ;scared:
[01:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[01:14] <Howitzer> oh god no
[01:14] <Howitzer> but
[01:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get -f install, does it find anything?
[01:15] <Howitzer> Reading package lists... Done
[01:15] <Howitzer> Building dependency tree... Done
[01:15] <Howitzer> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 23 not upgraded.
[01:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> so /etc/init.d/kdm/restart
[01:15] <Howitzer> it isn't a directory :/
[01:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> oops
[01:16] <Kamping_Kaiser>  /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[01:16] <Howitzer> i'm getting scared now :x
[01:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont be
[01:16] <Howitzer> lol
[01:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> Linux likes you
[01:16] <Howitzer> :eek:
[01:16] <Howitzer>  * Not stopping K Display Manager: not running (/var/run/kdm.pid not found).
[01:16] <Howitzer>  * Starting K Display Manager...
[01:16] <Howitzer>  *ly root wants to run kdm    
[01:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[01:17] <Howitzer> behind the latest line is also a *FAIL*
[01:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> well it didnt work, so of course it fialed :)
[01:17] <Howitzer>  * Not stopping K Display Manager: not running (/var/run/kdm.pid not found).
[01:17] <Howitzer>  * Starting K Display Manager...                                                                                                                      [ ok ] 
[01:17] <Howitzer> wtf
[01:17] <Howitzer> it doesn't find a file but it runs?
[01:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> mmm?
[01:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh. look at the line again
[01:17] <Mez> sudo killall-9 kdm
[01:18] <Mez> sudo kdm
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser>  ***Not**** stopping K
[01:18] <Howitzer> oooh
[01:18] <Mez> sudo killall kdm
[01:18] <Mez> damn
[01:18] <Mez> no -9
[01:18] <Howitzer> done
[01:18] <Howitzer> oh
[01:18] <Howitzer> killall-9 ? :/
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> done loading or killing?
[01:18] <Howitzer> done doing killall kdm
[01:18] <Mez> now
[01:18] <Mez> sudo ksm
[01:18] <Mez> sudo kdm I men
[01:19] <Mez> I just woke up
[01:19] <Mez> tired
[01:19] <Howitzer> lol
[01:19] <Howitzer> okay
[01:19] <Howitzer> is it normal that nothing hppens?
[01:19] <Mez> it work?
[01:19] <Howitzer> adrian@ubuntu:~$ sudo kdm
[01:19] <Howitzer> adrian@ubuntu:~$
[01:19] <Mez> hit ctrl+alt+f7
[01:19] <Mez> it should have switched you to X automatically
[01:20] <Howitzer> i am in X
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> mine heads over to f8 if it crashes sometiems
[01:20] <Howitzer> i've been in X the whole install
[01:20] <Mez> thenthere you go... whats the problem
[01:20] <Howitzer> well
[01:20] <Howitzer> if i logout, i can choose KDE?
[01:20] <Howitzer> in the sessions menu 
[01:21] <Mez> as long as you'ev installed kubutu-desktop
[01:21] <Mez> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:21] <Howitzer> i did
[01:21] <Mez> that'l;ll installm everything you need for kde
[01:21] <Howitzer> 83mb
[01:21] <Howitzer> wii
[01:22] <Howitzer> okay
[01:22] <Howitzer> here goes nothing!
[01:22] <Mez> try it :D
[01:23] <Mez> btw kamping kaiser - gaim 1.3.1 should eb in universe now
[01:23] <Mez> for breezy
[01:23] <Mez> imn main *
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh cool :)
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> you a dev?
[01:24] <Mez> no - I just know about these things :D
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[01:24] <Mez> I was talking to the guy who was building it last night :P
[01:25] <Mez> and i just checked and the buildd says it was built ok
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> bastard :P
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> know all the right ppl
[01:25] <Mez> lol
[01:25] <Mez> well
[01:25] <Mez> konversation 0.18 for breezy was by me :D
[01:25] <Howitzer> oh my
[01:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh :!
[01:26] <Howitzer> Kubuntu is damn sexy
[01:26] <Howitzer> oh man
[01:26] <Howitzer> i already love konqeuror
[01:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> *shudders*
[01:26] <Howitzer> nautilus is kind of crap
[01:26] <Howitzer> what?
[01:27] <Howitzer> you don't think konqueror is good? :x
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont like KDE ;)
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. Kubuntu-desktop still broken for breezy
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> k3b and OO.o2-KDE missing
[01:28] <_dolny> wel
[01:28] <_dolny> well, why the hell install breezy :)
[01:28] <Mez> so it worked then Howitzer?#
[01:28] <Mez> lol
[01:28] <Mez> yeah kubuntu is sexy D
[01:28] <Howitzer> indeed
[01:28] <Mez> but can be made even sexiuert
[01:28] <_dolny> yuo can get updates from the breezy reps on your hoary, unless you're a betatester ;)
[01:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> _dolny, i was using breezy the week after hoary released :)
[01:28] <_dolny> kubuntu rox ;] 
[01:28] <_dolny> kaiser lol :)
[01:28] <Howitzer> but where do i set up kubuntu so that its buttons don't function like a webpage
[01:29] <Howitzer> => 2x click to open
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> is there some repo I'm not aware of?
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> Section: otherosfs
[01:29] <Mez> funkeh :D
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> eek!
[01:30] <Mez> lol
[01:30] <Howitzer> wiiiiiiiii
[01:30] <Howitzer> kubuntu is nice
[01:30] <Howitzer> hey
[01:31] <Howitzer> almighty
[01:31] <Mez> :O
[01:31] <Mez> wha?
[01:31] <Howitzer> those tabs being half the window space is handy
[01:31] <Mez> sorry I just got added as an op so ki was chekcing it worked
[01:31] <Mez> no need for tm eot acutally be opped
[01:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> you just got ops? well done
[01:32] <Mez> well... i was asked i i wanted to be one last night, and i cheecked the access list jsyt now and I was one
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> nice. congrats ;)
[01:33] <Mez> ty
[01:34] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hi :S
[01:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey
[01:34] <Mez> RM ? research maachines#/
[01:35] <Alex[RM-UK] > Raptor-Mods
[01:35] <Mez> ah
[01:35] <Mez> good
[01:35] <Alex[RM-UK] > how come?
[01:36] <Alex[RM-UK] > ah
[01:36] <Alex[RM-UK] > no one knows how to fix a bios do they :P
[01:36] <Alex[RM-UK] > I re-installed Windows, and Flashed my bios using the Abit utility, now my bios is buggered
[01:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> install Linux instead :)
[01:37] <Mez> lol
[01:38] <Mez> if you flashed it and buggered it
[01:38] <Mez> you'll not fix it
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> I've heard of it done, but its not a pretty picture
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> god I'm sick of austnet going down. its netsplit about 4 times already in the last 12 hours
[01:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > Kamping_Kaiser, I am on linux atm
[01:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> i meant the bios
[01:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > Only think I could boot to, to get help
[01:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[01:40] <Tm_T> MUHAHHHAHA!
[01:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > hum, is there a floppy boot disk that will install the bios for me?
[01:41] <Tm_T> I've got enough money to buy some food and _coffee_ \o/
[01:42] <incubii> usually the motherboard vendor provides a boot floppy
[01:42] <incubii> in exe format
[01:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> :O tm_t!
[01:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> you fiend!
[01:43] <Howitzer> no serious
[01:43] <Howitzer> i really screwed the icons Oo
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.?
[01:44] <Howitzer> and i can't change it because all the items in settings:/LookNFeel/ are missing Oo
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:45] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: yeah! I haven't eated for a day now and I drank coffee last time in friday
[01:45] <Tm_T> shopping ;) ->
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> later :)
[01:45] <Alex[RM-UK] > cya
[01:50] <Howitzer> oh shit man
[01:50] <Howitzer> it seriously screwed up
[01:50] <Howitzer> konqueror doesn't work anymore
[01:50] <Howitzer> the system kind of freezes
[01:51] <Howitzer> i can't log into Gnome since it just kicks me back to the login screen
[01:51] <Howitzer> Fluxbox is the only thing working now :x
[01:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> ouch
[01:52] <Howitzer> what do i do now? :/
[01:52] <Howitzer> re-install KDE and Gnome? Oo
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> what locale are you using? i was getting screwed by that
[01:52] <Howitzer> what do you mean by locale?
[01:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> language settings. in a terminal type this "env |grep LANG"
[01:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> KDE might have added somthing
[01:54] <Howitzer> LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
[01:54] <Howitzer> GDM_LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
[01:54] <Howitzer> LANGUAGE=en_GB.UTF-8
[01:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> utf8, but all the same, so that should be ok
[01:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> howitzer, I'm just going to go over obvious stuff first... and hten get kicked out by someone who knows what to do ;)
[01:55] <Howitzer> lol
[01:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> "sudo apt-get update && apt-get install Ubuntu-desktop Kubuntu-desktop"
[01:55] <Tm_T> whoa
[01:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> you back?
[01:56] <Tm_T> yes
[01:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> quick :O impressed
[01:56] <Tm_T> uuh, sweet smell of fresh coffee <3
[01:57] <Tm_T> slow
[01:57] <Howitzer> i get a whole list of archive.ubuntu
[01:57] <Tm_T> couldn't decide what to buy =)
[01:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> i stand corrected tm_t ;)
[01:57] <Tm_T> =)
[01:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> howitzer, it should either "hit" or "get" from each
[01:57] <Howitzer> hit
[01:57] <Tm_T> coffee coffee coffee food coffee ->
[01:58] <Howitzer> 3 get's, the rest re hits
[01:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> does it want to install anything?
[01:59] <Howitzer> well
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> jeepers. my contact lists getting to big :S
[01:59] <Howitzer> it immedeatly asks or root
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have to have some bitchfights
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> wtfs? ooopppsss
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> forgot about that
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> you will have to sudo apt-get both things
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> both *should* not want to update
[02:00] <Howitzer> get the kubuntu-desktop again?
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> i would ususaly run a command like that from a root shell ;$
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> it will check if its ok
[02:01] <Howitzer> adrian@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[02:01] <Howitzer> E: Invalid operation kubuntu-desktop
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> ffs. not my night
[02:01] <Howitzer> heh
[02:01] <pv_> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:01] <Howitzer> not my day either
[02:01] <Howitzer> ooh
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo apt-get install Kubuntu-desktop
[02:01] <Howitzer> damn
[02:01] <Howitzer> :(
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> same with Ubuntu-deskto[
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> *top
[02:02] <Howitzer> kubuntu-desktop is already the newest version.
[02:02] <Howitzer> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 23 not upgraded.
[02:02] <Howitzer> is ine
[02:02] <Howitzer> *fine
[02:02] <jkeel> hi all
[02:02] <Howitzer> ubuntu-desktop is already the newest version.
[02:02] <Howitzer> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 23 not upgraded.
[02:02] <firasR> hi jkeel 
[02:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool. no missing stuff then
[02:02] <jkeel> I'm trying to compile some KDE svn packages, but auto* is giving me fits
[02:03] <firasR> jkeel:  how so ?
[02:03] <jkeel> firasR: I'll paste the error externally..
[02:04] <jkeel> http://programmers.malfunct.net/pastebin/index.php?show=10
[02:05] <jkeel> firasR: as you can see, I'm trying to 'make -f Makefile.cvs'
[02:05] <jkeel> and I have autoconf 2.59
[02:05] <jkeel> and automake 1.9
[02:05] <jkeel> version obtained through the use of '--version'
[02:07] <jkeel> firasR: you have any ideas?
[02:09] <firasR> jkeel:  sorry but cvs stuff is over my head, however did u try what it suggested  by checking out that module again and updating ?
[02:10] <jkeel> yeah
[02:10] <firasR> did u checkout kde-common and link it like it said ?
[02:10] <jkeel> I don't have this problem with other kde modules...from older checkouts
[02:11] <jkeel> I didn't exactly checkout the standard way...hmm
[02:13] <firasR> sorry can't help you out there 
[02:14] <jkeel> I'm doing a fresh checkout of the whole module to see if that's the problem. It is possible that files are missing
[02:14] <jkeel> but I would think it unlikely
[02:16] <domi> HI, how can I install Mozilla Firefox under Kubuntu? Always when I enter apt-get install mozilla-firefox it wants to install the gnome libraries
[02:16] <domi> :(
[02:16] <gdh> domi: you're nearly right.
[02:16] <gdh> domi: It will be taking in gtk libs, not gnome ones.
[02:17] <domi> but there's always an error
[02:17] <gdh> Firefox is built on the GTK libs, you can't escape that :) 
[02:17] <domi> can't find that libs
[02:17] <domi> :(
[02:17] <gdh> come on, you'll need to post the exact error message..
[02:17] <gdh> we're happy to help, but we're not psychic =)
[02:17] <domi> =)
[02:19] <domi> the packaged cannot be retrieved from the servers
[02:19] <gdh> Oh, I think there are major probs with the us and canadian archive mirrors..
[02:20] <gdh> from whatI remember of last night
[02:20] <domi> are there german mirrors as well?
[02:20] <gdh> I'd expect so
[02:20] <gdh> gb.archive... definately works :)
[02:21] <domi> I only have us mirrors here
[02:21] <domi> you say a few files are down there?
[02:22] <gdh> from what I remember, the whole US mirror is broken
[02:22] <firasR> domi:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive/view?searchterm=mirror
[02:23] <gdh> thank you :)
[02:23] <domi> thx
[02:23] <firasR> ur welcome :)
[02:24] <domi> how must I enter the mirrors?
[02:24] <Mez> ew fluxbox = ugly
[02:24] <firasR> hehe
[02:24] <domi> how do I know if they're universe or restricted
[02:24] <Howitzer> Aleks- http://www.bizinfotech.com/~democomp/hi.exe look this free tricks for your linux system Open As Windows
[02:24] <domi> or something else ?-?
[02:24] <Howitzer> :/
[02:25] <seth_k> gb.archive and main archive works
[02:25] <firasR> domi:  universe or restricted or main or multiverse are repositories under each of those mirrors
[02:25] <seth_k> domi: sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list and change all the addresses to http://archive.ubuntu.com
[02:25] <firasR> domi:  for example I have the following as one of my lines :
[02:26] <firasR> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[02:27] <domi> I hope it will work ^
[02:28] <firasR> it should, the main archive servers have always worked better for me than any of the mirrors
[02:28] <seth_k> me too
[02:28] <Howitzer> wtf
[02:29] <Howitzer> konqueror is screwed, but nautilus isn't
[02:29] <domi> should I leave just that one entry?
[02:29] <Howitzer> i seriously need help here
[02:29] <Howitzer> i can't use Gnome and KDE is fucked up :(
[02:29] <domi> you have to install teh normal ubuntu :)
[02:29] <domi> http://www.ubuntulinux.org
[02:29] <domi> o.o
[02:30] <Howitzer> re-install? OO
[02:30] <firasR> Howitzer:  how'd u manage to do that ?
[02:30] <Howitzer> i have no idea
[02:30] <Howitzer> i changed the icons in KDE
[02:30] <Howitzer> and all of a sudden, the icons disappeared
[02:30] <firasR> do u have a kubuntu CD or all the KDE packages downloaded on ur machine ?
[02:30] <Howitzer> ehh
[02:30] <Howitzer> KDE packages dl'd on my comp
[02:31] <Howitzer> and i don't want to re-install Ubuntu :/
[02:31] <haris> any other way to get ethernet working? DHCP fails...
[02:31] <firasR> just reinstall the kde packages 
[02:31] <haris> and in kcontrol, when enabling device it says it's ok, and around 5 seconds later automatically disables
[02:31] <Howitzer> it won't
[02:32] <Howitzer> kubuntu-desktop is already the newest version.
[02:32] <Howitzer> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 23 not upgraded
[02:32] <domi> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages)
[02:32] <domi> W: Sie mchten vi
[02:32] <domi> -_-
[02:33] <smart> I just installed Kubuntu AMD64 .. and started to notice that not all packages are available in amd64 ..
[02:33] <smart> would be safe to use the i386 packages ?
[02:33] <Howitzer> i don't think so
[02:34] <Howitzer> 64bit is totally different :x
[02:34] <smart> so.. my best option is to apt-get source.. and compile
[02:34] <haris> Pretty much; or wait till they package for 64
[02:34] <smart> I know that AMD64 is backward compatable with i386
[02:34] <smart> the processor I mean
[02:35] <Howitzer> i'm screwed ain't i?
[02:35] <domi> the MD5 checksum of that file is incorrect -_-
[02:38] <domi> Do I install normal .deb packages with apt-get install as well?
[02:40] <uniq> domi:no, with:  sudo dpkg -i package
[02:40] <domi> ok thx
[02:41] <Far^Side> what's wrong with the vlc package in Breezy Badger? I'm unable to install it
[02:46] <haris> does the new live cd have 3.4.1?
[02:49] <jaro> does anyone know wehre i can find SDL 1.2 ???
[02:49] <Shuddertrix> jaro: apt-cache search libsdl , have you tried that?
[02:50] <Shuddertrix> haris: the one in the topic has 3.4.1, i know that much
[02:50] <jaro> hm i have libsdl installed
[02:51] <haris> Shuddertrix: k, thanx.
[02:52] <jaro> there are lots of libsdl -packages
[02:52] <jaro> which are necessary to install ?
[03:08] <LordHoto> hi
[03:08] <LordHoto> i installed a base system of ubuntu
[03:08] <LordHoto> and later i installed kubutnu-desktop
[03:08] <LordHoto> and my konqueror crashes often
[03:08] <LordHoto> anyone with the same problem or a solution to this?
[03:15] <Tm_T> LordHoto: hmm, and you use what KDE version
[03:15] <Tm_T> ?
[03:15] <LordHoto> 3.4.0
[03:15] <LordHoto> it's 'shiped' with Ubuntu
[03:15] <LordHoto> with kde-i18n-de
[03:17] <nxv_> which gui to use for isdn connections in kubuntu? i think i have cap running but want to use it graphical
[03:18] <LordHoto> Tm_T: but it looks like it happens only when i edit some .* files with a terminal
[03:19] <Tm_T> LordHoto: hmm, why not to install 3.4.1
[03:19] <Tm_T> I bet there's bugfixes
[03:19] <Tm_T> there is
[03:20] <Tm_T> LordHoto: add these two lines to your sources.list: "deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main" and "deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main"
[03:20] <Tm_T> then update & upgrade
[03:24] <LordHoto> "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!"
[03:24] <LordHoto> wups ;)
[03:25] <Tm_T> yes, just answer yes
[03:25] <LordHoto> k
[03:25] <LordHoto> and just a question beside
[03:26] <LordHoto> anyone tried to use ati drivers? :)
[03:27] <LordHoto> last time i tried it was ****
[03:28] <LordHoto> but that's over 1/2 year ago
[03:33] <penguinboy> Morning, Guys!
[03:33] <Guest53> hi
[03:33] <Guest53> i was wondering how to connect to a wireless network in kubuntu...
[03:34] <penguinboy> me too....I have a ThinkPad R40 and have never been able to get the wireless connection to work
[03:35] <penguinboy> morning tuni!
[03:35] <tuni_> !
[03:35] <penguinboy> or afternoon where you are I suppose
[03:35] <tuni_> afternoon
[03:36] <tuni_> yep
[03:36] <penguinboy> France?
[03:36] <tuni_> 3 pm here
[03:36] <tuni_> yep
[03:36] <penguinboy> kewl place
[03:37] <penguinboy> wonderful food
[03:37] <Tm_T> coffee <3<3<3
[03:37] <penguinboy> si
[03:38] <penguinboy> the only thing i remember from french class is como ale vous (?sp>
[03:38] <penguinboy> la port
[03:38] <penguinboy> la tableau newire
[03:38] <penguinboy> Welcoem Vicks!!!
[03:39] <vicks> thank you penguinboy =)
[03:39] <_dolny> what happens when you run into your university
[03:39] <_dolny> in masks
[03:39] <_dolny> http://www.echostar.pl/~dolny/smieci/psycho/
[03:39] <_dolny> :)
[03:39] <_dolny> i had a sick idea
[03:39] <_dolny> ;] 
[03:39] <_dolny> ill upload an avi later on, maybe ;)
[03:40] <penguinboy> i am suprised you did not get shot dolny
[03:41] <penguinboy> are you the hunchback?
[03:41] <vicks> it's strange. everyone says that i'm in some kind of mobile-mode on msn when I connect with kopete, or even when i'm not connected i think. anyone knows anything about this?
[03:42] <vicks> when they try to send offline messages, their msn says that i'm in mobile mode and that it may cost me money if they send the message
[03:42] <_dolny> penguinboy: yeah :)
[03:43] <_dolny> violet coatr
[03:43] <_dolny> coat
[03:43] <_dolny> and breathing-mask
[03:43] <penguinboy> carrying the bottle os something in front of the store?
[03:43] <_dolny> yeah
[03:43] <_dolny> i bought it in that store
[03:44] <penguinboy> you appear to be the ringleader
[03:44] <_dolny> wearing the mask
[03:44] <_dolny> ;
[03:44] <_dolny> :)
[03:44] <penguinboy> lol;
[03:44] <penguinboy> who is the nonparticipating female?
[03:44] <_dolny> yeah i was
[03:44] <_dolny> my friend's gal
[03:45] <penguinboy> the darth vader touch was nice
[03:45] <penguinboy> Welceom weedar!
[03:45] <_dolny> on one of the pics
[03:45] <_dolny> i have a banana smile on
[03:45] <penguinboy> lol
[03:45] <_dolny> like a total jerk ;)
[03:45] <penguinboy> what country is pl
[03:46] <_dolny> it was on purpose but it looks as if i look that way ;] 
[03:46] <_dolny> poland
[03:46] <_dolny> europe
[03:46] <_dolny> ;] 
[03:46] <_dolny> where the devil says goodnight or smth like that
[03:46] <penguinboy> Polska
[03:46] <_dolny> corruption, idiots, vodka, kielbasa
[03:46] <_dolny> russian neighbourhood
[03:46] <_dolny> Kwasniewski, Walesa ;) Solidarnosc ;)
[03:47] <penguinboy> what does the sign say taped to the chest of darth vader
[03:47] <_dolny> sick sad place ;)
[03:47] <_dolny> 'the last day at the university'
[03:47] <_dolny> with preceeding (probably) with small letters
[03:47] <_dolny> we have like million egzams, i will never pass
[03:47] <_dolny> none shall pass ;] 
[03:47] <penguinboy> lol
[03:48] <penguinboy> ostatni dzien zajec na wsjo
[03:48] <_dolny> wsjo - name of my school
[03:48] <_dolny> ostatni - last
[03:49] <_dolny> dzien - day
[03:49] <_dolny> zajec - hmm.. of lectures
[03:49] <_dolny> zajecia - lectures
[03:49] <Choubaka> :P
[03:49] <weedar> hi penguinboy
[03:49] <Choubaka> would you like to buy a wovel?
[03:49] <penguinboy> hey Choubaka
[03:49] <_dolny> lol
[03:49] <Choubaka> vowel though I think.
[03:49] <weedar> I love friendly bots
[03:49] <penguinboy> hey weeder
[03:49] <_dolny> chouwie
[03:49] <penguinboy> Welcoem ijuz
[03:50] <penguinboy> We all love friendly bots
[03:50] <ijuz> hello
[03:50] <penguinboy> Welceom buz!
[03:51] <penguinboy> what is dla pana doktora mikolaja sobczaka
[03:51] <Choubaka> Finnish has a lot more vowels. Perhaps you'd like one.
[03:52] <penguinboy> lol
[03:52] <Choubaka> There was some language with even fewer vowels though.
[03:52] <penguinboy> Welcoem ubuntu!!
[03:53] <Choubaka> ah, Czech. 
[03:53] <weedar> wow, I just installed ndiswrapper on a computer sitting 1 meter away from me and the router. It has 56% packetloss when pinging me :-O
[03:53] <Choubaka> :/
[03:53] <penguinboy> congrats
[03:53] <Choubaka> You shouldn't own a crappy wireless adapter.
[03:54] <Choubaka> that needs windows drivers to work on linux.
[03:54] <weedar> I thought Belkin products were okay
[03:54] <ijuz> i installed kubuntu-desktop on the system for my mother, is there a way to get it automounting usb storage devices like the gnoem desktop is doing it?
[03:54] <penguinboy> dolny I like the star ward convention!
[03:54] <weedar> besides, I got the NIC for free from my dad who got fed up trying to get it to work, so I was really surprised it worked at all
[03:54] <_dolny> penguin :)
[03:55] <penguinboy> www.Allegro.pl
[03:56] <penguinboy> did you draw the demon?
[03:57] <vicks> it's strange. everyone says that i'm in some kind of mobile-mode on msn when I connect with kopete, or even when i'm not connected i think. anyone knows anything about this?
[03:57] <vicks> when they try to send offline messages, their msn says that i'm in mobile mode and that it may cost me money if they send the message
[03:58] <penguinboy> wb ubuntu!!!
[04:02] <penguinboy> how much is 164,99 zl?
[04:02] <penguinboy> Hey Octane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:03] <_dolny> 1 $ = 
[04:03] <_dolny> about 3z
[04:04] <penguinboy> allegro.pl has a PII for sale for 50 $ US
[04:04] <penguinboy> Welceom JensK
[04:09] <penguinboy> wb mez
[04:10] <JensK> welcome penguinboy 
[04:10] <penguinboy> thankis
[04:11] <Mez> ty
[04:11] <penguinboy> yw
[04:14] <LordHoto> hmm i tried this (http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html) for installing ati drivers
[04:14] <LordHoto> but i get these errors:
[04:14] <LordHoto> FGLRXExtensions.c:19:37: X11/extensions/xf86misc.h: No such file or directory
[04:14] <LordHoto> FGLRXExtensions.c:20:39: X11/extensions/xf86mscstr.h: No such file or directory
[04:14] <LordHoto> but i installed all packages listet there
[04:16] <LordHoto> or should i better use standard ubuntu packages?
[04:18] <penguinboy> you got me
[04:34] <spiral> hmmm, how is breezy nowadays ? still broken ?
[04:36] <Tm_T> spiral: I think it work better now
[04:36] <kubrov> czesc
[04:36] <Tm_T> but I will test it july or august
[04:37] <Tm_T> not earlier
[04:37] <LordHoto> Tm_T: i tried it last week
[04:38] <LordHoto> it killed my system
[04:38] <LordHoto> ;
[04:38] <spiral> Tm_T, LordHoto : all right, I shall maybe wait a little then
[04:38] <motaboy> spiral: I'm using it with from 2 weeks and I don't have any problem. Only noticed that kio_media with hal doesn't work and that the kprinter preview is always empty. everything other I'm using works
[04:39] <vicks> is there any big news in breezy?
[04:39] <spiral> motaboy: ouah, not so bas
[04:39] <spiral> motaboy: bad
[04:42] <roadie> whatsup
[05:12] <randabis> hi
[05:14] <Tm_T> Riddell: pingbling
[05:31] <ijuz> at least with dpkg -i <package> you can
[05:32] <Howitzer> well
[05:32] <Howitzer> ehh
[05:32] <Tm_T> err
[05:32] <Tm_T> there's no separate konqi package ;)
[05:32] <Howitzer> konqueror - KDE's advanced File Manager, Web Browser and Document Viewer
[05:33] <Tm_T> ...?
[05:33] <Howitzer> found it with apt-cache search konqueror :x
[05:33] <Tm_T> haha
[05:33] <ijuz> apt-get also has a --reinstall option
[05:33] <Tm_T> yeah
[05:33] <Tm_T> hmm, oh yes!
[05:33] <Tm_T> sorry
[05:33] <Tm_T> I'm too old fart
[05:33] <Howitzer> adrian@ubuntu:~$ apt-get --reinstall konqueror
[05:33] <Howitzer> E: Ongeldige operatie konqueror
[05:33] <Howitzer> Oo
[05:34] <Howitzer> btw ongeldige operatie=>non valid configuration
[05:34] <ijuz> install, didn't you read the manpage?
[05:34] <Howitzer> oh uhh
[05:34] <Howitzer> i did
[05:34] <Howitzer> but it's confusing :(
[05:34] <motaboy> Howitzer: Mayve it's a configuration problem? You can try moving (don't delete!) your .kde dir to another place (with kde not started up again). 
[05:34] <motaboy> s/Mayve/maybe
[05:35] <motaboy> Howitzer: or just create a new user
[05:35] <motaboy> Howitzer: and look if it freezes again
[05:35] <Howitzer> okay
[05:35] <ijuz> what was this name of the nc clone for kde?
[05:36] <Tm_T> nc?
[05:36] <ijuz> ok and i found out usb storage devices appear in the konqueror, how do i get this to the desktop itself?
[05:36] <motaboy> ijuz: krusader?
[05:36] <ijuz> norton commander well or mc (midnight commander)
[05:36] <ijuz> aaah
[05:37] <ijuz> motaboy: thanks
[05:37] <Tm_T> yeah
[05:48] <Riddell> Tm_T: hi
[05:49] <randabis> hi
[05:49] <Tm_T> Riddell: hullo, some fellows asked about "settings wizard" after install in breezy, will there be one and what kind of?
[05:51] <Riddell> what would that be for?
[05:51] <brosio> where mail are storend in kmail ?
[05:52] <Howitzer> !topic
[05:52] <gdh> Riddell: Sorry to hassle - I'm seeing this on 2 seperate systems (one a warty upgrade, and one a fresh 5.04 install)... https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11313 any change you can mark it as NEW ?
[05:52] <randabis> Howitzer: /topic
[05:53] <Howitzer> okay
[05:53] <Howitzer> lol
[05:54] <randabis> Howitzer: add deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main to /etc/apt/sources.list, then run apt-get update && dist-upgrade
[05:57] <motaboy> brosio: depends
[05:58] <motaboy> brosio: if you already had mail in your home dir it will be ~/Mail
[05:58] <Howitzer> randabis, is it normal that a lot of the packets can't get authenticated?
[05:58] <motaboy> brosio: if it's a new home dir with kde 3.4 it'll be in ~/.kde/
[05:58] <randabis> yes
[05:58] <ijuz> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 is that suggested or still testing?
[05:58] <Howitzer> okay
[05:59] <brosio> is in Mail ok
[06:00] <Tm_T> ijuz: twesting?
[06:00] <Tm_T> -w
[06:00] <Tm_T> ijuz: why it would be testing?
[06:03] <ijuz> Tm_T: why not?
[06:03] <Tm_T> ijuz: well, just go ahead and upgrade ;)
[06:04] <froud> http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php
[06:04] <froud> The packages have also been uploaded to our breezy development version.
[06:04] <froud> keywords: our breezy development version
[06:06] <wirwzd> Is there an issue with libbonoboui2-0_2.8.1-1ubuntu1_powerpc.deb and libgnomecanvas2-0_2.10.0-0ubuntu1_powerpc.deb? 
[06:06] <wirwzd> I keep getting MD5Sum mismatch
[06:07] <wirwzd> trying to install firefox on ppc using apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[06:08] <Riddell> gdh: do you use MSN?
[06:08] <quam> wirwzd: change your repositories to archive.ubuntu.com, rather than us.archive.ubuntu.com or ca.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:08] <quam> the north america repositories are fucked
[06:08] <wirwzd> Gotcha
[06:08] <wirwzd> thanks
[06:09] <Tm_T> Riddell: for the basic things, like display drivers, extra repositories and such
[06:09] <Tm_T> Riddell: because many "n00b" users have problems even those basic stuff
[06:10] <Howitzer> lol
[06:10] <Howitzer> www.ubuntuguide.net?
[06:10] <Riddell> Tm_T: X drivers are set up for you, the ubuntu repositories are set up for you
[06:10] <Tm_T> Riddell: hm?
[06:11] <Tm_T> ok, I won't ask any dumb questions anymore =)
[06:12] <grandpapriz> you may not Tm_T, but ole gamps might ask some dumb question
[06:12] <froud> Tm_T: no please do, there are no such things as dumb questions
[06:12] <Tm_T> froud: there is
[06:12] <grandpapriz> been trying to install Kubuntu from a down loaded disk, nada
[06:12] <froud> how do you tink noobs get confused?
[06:13] <froud> Tm_T: not from my perspective ;-)
[06:13] <Tm_T> I don't think, I spend hours every day to explain basic stuff for newbies
[06:13] <Tm_T> to
[06:13] <Howitzer> :(
[06:13] <Tm_T> err, anyway
[06:14] <grandpapriz> anyone care to hold gramps hand and take him through the steps????
[06:14] <gdh> Riddell: Yeh, gdh@klub.org
[06:14] <froud> grandpapriz: give us more info
[06:15] <froud> you downloaded an ISO?
[06:15] <grandpapriz> I am running ubuntu, and all seems to be well, I downloaded Kubuntu, have it on my home directory, and cant get it installed, each time I try I get a msg saying that ubuntu is unstalbel
[06:16] <Tm_T> eh
[06:16] <froud> you dont need to instal that way if you have ubuntu
[06:16] <grandpapriz> enlighten me pleawe
[06:16] <froud> http://www.kubuntu.org/documentation.php
[06:17] <grandpapriz> I will take that trip to documentation
[06:17] <froud> grandpapriz: just the one doc grandpapriz 
[06:18] <froud> if you have any ideas on improving it, I would be happy to learn :-)
[06:18] <grandpapriz> brb
[06:18] <gdh> froud: hm, the images on that page are dead...  http://www.inwords.co.za/kubuntu/inst/figures/kdm-select.png -> 404
[06:19] <froud> gdh: why inwords that was just a temp stage area
[06:20] <froud> gdh:  that doc is now totally at kubuntu.org
[06:20] <gdh> froud: Yeh, I'm reading http://www.kubuntu.org/documentation.php :)
[06:20] <gdh> and the images are still linked to inwords...
[06:20] <froud> gdh: hmmm yeah, riddle
[06:21] <gdh> Riddell ? ;)
[06:21] <froud> Riddell: need to fix that page dude
[06:21] <gdh> heh
[06:21] <froud> anyone have access to the site 
[06:22] <grandpapriz> ok, I followed the directions and got the same msg I always get, ..the msg is about 10/15 lines
[06:22] <gdh> froud: Ah cool - it's nice that I'm useful for something =)
[06:23] <froud> grandpapriz: paste it here http://pastebin.ca/
[06:24] <grandpapriz> it's pasted
[06:25] <froud> link please
[06:25] <Howitzer> omg
[06:25] <Howitzer> kubuntu has a system tray 
[06:25] <Howitzer> cool
[06:26] <froud> grandpapriz: when you paste you submit and it gives you a link, share it so we can see
[06:27] <grandpapriz> ok, I will try
[06:28] <grandpapriz> http://pastebin.ca/14101
[06:29] <froud> grandpapriz: did you do sudo apt-get update
[06:29] <grandpapriz> often
[06:29] <froud> errors?
[06:30] <froud> grandpapriz: does it report errors
[06:30] <grandpapriz> get the same type of mesg, but longer
[06:30] <grandpapriz> yes iut does
[06:30] <froud> pls past the contents of your source.list
[06:30] <gdh> grandpapriz: Ubuntu 4.10 ? 'unstable / main' ?
[06:30] <grandpapriz> yes gdh
[06:30] <froud> less /etc/apt/source.list
[06:31] <gdh> yeh, pastebin your sources.list
[06:31] <grandpapriz> source list is the same as the error megs?
[06:31] <froud> grandpapriz: open a Terminal
[06:32] <grandpapriz> got it
[06:32] <grandpapriz> open
[06:32] <froud> then do less /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:32] <froud> copy that and paste it for us
[06:33] <grandpapriz> 14105
[06:34] <gdh> grandpapriz:  that's impressive :)
[06:34] <grandpapriz> ?meaning?
[06:34] <gdh> you have no active repositories whatsoever :)
[06:35] <gdh> they've all been commented out
[06:35] <grandpapriz> I suppose that is not a good thing
[06:35] <froud> grandpapriz: OK you need to uncommnet the repositories
[06:35] <gdh> as a bare minimum it should contain this:
[06:35] <gdh> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[06:35] <froud> stay in Terminal
[06:35] <grandpapriz> ok
[06:36] <gdh> and: deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[06:36] <froud> gdh: please hold
[06:36] <gdh> okies
[06:37] <froud> grandpapriz: do sudo cp /etc/apt/source.list /etc/apt/source.list.bak
[06:37] <froud> grandpapriz: this has made a backup
[06:38] <somez> guys where can I set the character encoding in Konversation?
[06:38] <froud> now do
[06:38] <froud> grandpapriz: now do sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:39] <froud> grandpapriz: sorry note my typo above /etc/apt/source.list should be /etc/apt/sources.list 
[06:39] <froud> grandpapriz: so when you do the backup use sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bak  
[06:40] <froud> let us know when you have sources.list open in gedit
[06:40] <grandpapriz> ESCOM
[06:40] <froud> ?huh?
[06:41] <grandpapriz> I will do it again
[06:41] <gdh> mm, non-sequitur of the day :)
[06:41] <pointwood> The following packages have been kept back:
[06:41] <pointwood>   mozilla-firefox mozilla-firefox-dom-inspector mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[06:41] <froud> gdh: once grandpapriz has it open in gedit you can take it
[06:41] <pointwood> why are they being kept back?
[06:41] <pointwood> I get that when I run apt-get upgrade
[06:42] <gdh> froud: sure thang :)
[06:42] <froud> collaborative support timeslicing
[06:42] <gdh> :)
[06:43] <grandpapriz> it said in put is not a pipe
[06:43] <froud> grandpapriz: ok setp by step
[06:44] <froud> you in the terminal
[06:44] <grandpapriz> yes I am in terminal
[06:44] <froud> type sudo
[06:44] <froud> then spacebar
[06:45] <froud> now /followed by a tab key
[06:45] <Howitzer> i fully updated Kubuntu, what now?
[06:45] <gdh> Howitzer: Use it and enjoy :)
[06:45] <Howitzer> restart the pc?
[06:45] <Howitzer> oh
[06:45] <gdh> Howitzer: What is it you're trying to do?
[06:45] <Howitzer> ehh
[06:45] <gdh> I've not been watching
[06:45] <Howitzer> Konqueror was broke
[06:46] <froud> grandpapriz: so after sudo you have done /et then pressed tab
[06:46] <Howitzer> as soon as i went to a folder or anything, konqueror woul freeze
[06:46] <grandpapriz> froud, can we do this in priv?
[06:46] <gdh> Howitzer: ah, OK if you've updated kdelibs, etc. you can just logout and login again
[06:46] <froud> ok
[06:46] <Howitzer> ehh
[06:46] <Howitzer> okay
[06:46] <Howitzer> then
[06:46] <froud> brb gdh 
[06:46] <gdh> =)
[06:53] <Howitzer> AAAAAAAARGH
[06:53] <Howitzer> i'm getting PISSED
[06:54] <Howitzer> Konqueror still freezes when i go to a folder
[06:55] <pointwood> I got a folder full of images that I would like to resize. I use 'convert' to do it like this: "convert IMG_0001.JPG -resize 76% img_0001.jpg", how do I do it for all the pics in the folder with one command?
[06:56] <LordHoto> re
[06:56] <EnRRaLaO> re
[06:57] <LordHoto> http://rafb.net/paste/results/fdVkQo31.html
[06:57] <LordHoto> anyone any idea how to get rid of these errors?
[07:05] <EnRRaLaO> ALONSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! :D
[07:05] <Tm_T> lpaaah
[07:18] <_mae> Failed to fetch ftp://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdemultimedia/kmid_3.4.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch
[07:19] <_mae> anyone getting something like this
[07:20] <\sh> _mae: the us mirror is b0rked...use another mirror pls
[07:20] <Tm_T> whole US is b0rked ;--P
[07:26] <CellarDoor> ok... I can't get fonts anti-aliased in kde... it looks horrible... no one has been able to offer me anything that actually fixes this... can anyone at all help ??
[07:34] <seth_k> _mae: use GB or main mirrors, not US or CA
[07:40] <Spookymulder> hello
[07:40] <Spookymulder> i have a question about kde in kubuntu
[07:40] <Spookymulder> how can i get back the desktop icons ?
[07:41] <kalenedrael> you make them?
[07:42] <Spookymulder> no but if i install suse i get the "default desktop icons" like "home" etc
[07:49] <froud> gdh: grandpapriz is now upgrading from warty to hoary and then will follow www.kubuntu.org/documentation.php
[08:49] <dEdd> I just upgraded kubuntu hoary to breezy via apt-get, and all of sudden can no longer forward x11 apps over the lan via ssh.
[08:50] <dEdd> I check the ssh_config, ensure x11 forwarding is set, and even fiddled with explicit xhost and DISPLAY settings
[08:50] <KaiL_> bad for you - don't use breezy yet.
[08:50] <Tm_T> hmm, breezy </3
[08:50] <dEdd> Is there an embedded firewall or something I need to set?
[08:50] <Tm_T> dEdd: or maybe breezy is broken ;)
[08:50] <dEdd> KaiL_: not in general, or not with kubuntu?
[08:51] <KaiL_> in general
[08:51] <dEdd> Being a Debian developer, I usually have unstable around, and that never bit me.
[08:51] <dEdd> If that is the case (don't touch unstable) I better the box to Debian real fast
[08:51] <_duende> the topic of #ubuntu is "PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY"
[08:51] <KaiL_> did you use unstable the time, they switched from xfree3 to xfree4?
[08:51] <KaiL_> or the time gcc2->gcc3?
[08:52] <KaiL_> ...and now imagine both together, then you know, how usable breezy currently is
[08:52] <nmorse> I remember Xfree3 from Debian 2.1
[08:52] <nmorse> God I hate that
[08:52] <nmorse> hated*
[08:52] <nmorse> Right, don't use Breezy
[08:58] <mneisen> hi @, i just installed kubuntu, and it is looking great. But i seem only to have the cdrom-sources available in kynaptic. How may i add universe to kynaptic?
[09:01] <mneisen> hi
[09:01] <mneisen> hi @, i just installed kubuntu, and it is looking great. But i seem only to have the cdrom-sources available in kynaptic. How may i add universe to kynaptic?
[09:06] <nmorse> mneisen: you'll have to do it from the command line or from synaptic
[09:07] <mneisen> how?
[09:08] <nmorse> open /etc/apt/sources.list in a text editor while sudo'ed
[09:08] <nmorse> Then uncomment (remove the #) from the Universe lines
[09:08] <mneisen> nmorse: thx a lot, i will try that ... ;-)
[09:12] <mneisen> nmorse: worked, THX!!
[09:13] <nmorse> not a problem
[09:40] <_drake> i just installed 5.04 kubuntu and im getting md5 sum mismatches on tons of packages.. anyone else having this issue?
[09:41] <nmorse> No
[09:41] <_drake> hrmf wtf then.
[09:41] <Tm_T> _drake: us mirror?
[09:42] <Mez> _drake - are you suing us.archive.ubuntu.com
[09:42] <nmorse> Someone should topic that
[09:42] <Tm_T> yup
[09:43] <Mez> that do ya
[09:43] <nmorse> thanks, Mez
[09:43] <Mez> lol
[09:44] <Mez> never mind me 
[09:44] <Mez> I'm an idiot
[09:44] <nmorse> BTW, anyone know of a way to make kubuntu.org packages verify in apt?
[09:45] <Mez> nmorse - what do you mean ?
[09:45] <nmorse> I mean, they don't authorize when you install them
[09:45] <nmorse> You have to manually select yes
[09:45] <Mez> ah... well.
[09:45] <Mez> thats ebcause the repository is setuyp wrong
[09:45] <Mez> I know how to overrride that
[09:45] <nmorse> Are the Kubuntu packages not signed?
[09:45] <Mez> for unauthorised packages
[09:45] <Mez> the repository is not signed
[09:46] <uniq> don't think the packages are signed.
[09:46] <Mez> there's not root RElease and RElease.gpg in the dist dir
[09:46] <Mez> the signed bit of the pakages never gets upload (cept for source packages)
[09:47] <Mez> btw, anyone who's interested, I just abckported the latest verison of Amarok
[09:47] <_alex> hi all
[09:47] <nmorse> I'd like to get ubuntu backports to work
[09:48] <nmorse> I'm missing the bugfixes in the latest gaim releases
[09:49] <Mez> ??
[09:49] <_alex> I've got 2 little problems, need help: Here I go : 1st : I did a bad apt-get and lost my xdm and now my startx is not automated on start up... Where coulsd I fix that?
[09:49] <Mez> _alex - just reinstall xdm
[09:49] <Mez> nmorse., whast your prob with backports?
[09:50] <_alex> Tried that but it ain't working...
[09:50] <Mez> alex - apt-get remove --purge xdm
[09:50] <nmorse> I think my sources.list line may be wrong
[09:50] <Mez> apt-get install xdm
[09:50] <nmorse> Mez: what should the line for Hoary backports be?
[09:50] <Octane> man i just got my nvidia drivers working
[09:50] <Octane> and this shit is so gorgeous
[09:51] <_alex> Mez: Yes I did it and will try again... weird...
[09:51] <Octane> with composite
[09:51] <Octane> i want to make love to my kubuntu box
[09:51] <Octane> now all i need is my sound working, and ill be a happy man
[09:51] <Mez> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[09:51] <Mez> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[09:51] <Octane> do you guys have arts enabled or no
[09:51] <Mez> _alex
[09:51] <Mez> if not, isntall gdm or kdm
[09:52] <_alex> ok.
[09:52] <Mez> Octane,  -yeah i use arts, i find it easier than having something lock out the sound device
[09:52] <_alex> thanx Mez 
[09:52] <Octane> Mez: what excatly is arts -- how does it work with alsa?wahts the difference i mean
[09:53] <Mez> Octane, I'm not exactly sure... because i've never reall asked, but the way i assume arts works is it basically just accepts douns tuff from all the other apps, and then poutpouts it to the dsp device
[09:53] <Octane> i mean i know its kdes soundsystem
[09:53] <nmorse> arts is a mixer app basically
[09:53] <Mez> yeah, as nmorse said
[09:53] <nmorse> It handles a whole lot of input from programs and mixes it all to play in alsa at once
[09:53] <Mez> it means that all apps can access the dsp rather than one at a tiome
[09:53] <Mez> like esd
[09:53] <nmorse> The key is to get a hardware mixing card like an SB Live! to go with it
[09:54] <nmorse> Then arts doesn't lock out the soundcard but still works
[09:54] <_alex> k3b: Dpend: k3blibs (>= 0.11.23) mais ne sera pas install
[09:54] <_alex>        Dpend: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.4.0) mais ne sera pas install
[09:54] <_alex>        Dpend: libarts1 (>= 1.3.2) mais ne sera pas install
[09:54] <_alex>        Dpend: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3) mais ne sera pas install
[09:54] <Octane> nmorse then what if you disable arts how is it that kde still plays sounds
[09:54] <_alex> 2nd problem : when i try to install k3b i get : 
[09:54] <nmorse> KDE doesn't play sounds with arts off
[09:54] <_alex> sorry for the flood
[09:54] <nmorse> Try it
[09:55] <Octane> nmorse you can use oss
[09:55] <nmorse> Who uses OSS?
[09:55] <Octane> so in other words if you want sound in kde u need arts?
[09:55] <nmorse> Arts uses OSS, or ALSA, or sun, but it's still what KDE uses
[09:55] <Octane> ohhh ya i remember now i had to use aplay
[09:55] <Octane> when i had arts off
[09:55] <nmorse> Exactly
[09:55] <Octane> okay now i get it
[09:55] <nmorse> You can set up a different player, but you need arts otherwise
[09:56] <Octane> i like understanding things :)
[09:56] <Mez> arts = the pwn :d
[09:56] <nmorse> It's good to understand things
[09:57] <Octane> yes
[09:57] <Octane> thank you
[09:57] <Mez> Ubuntu - We understand you
[09:57] <Mez> (TM)
[09:57] <Octane> ha
[09:57] <Octane> Kubuntu - we understand you better
[09:57] <Mez> Kubuntu We understand you and lok nice
[09:57] <Mez> look *
[09:57] <Octane> hahaha
[09:58] <Octane> we understanding while looking nice
[09:58] <Mez> Mez - I like cheese (tm)
[09:58] <Mez> anywasy
[09:58] <Mez> shopness
[09:58] <nmorse> I'm just waiting for XFCE's theme package to get fixed
[09:58] <nmorse> I may do it myself
[09:59] <ijuz> Xubuntu? :)
[09:59] <Octane> one thing i dont like witrh composite is that it gives a shadow to a bouncing cursor icon
[09:59] <nmorse> Xubuntu would be neat
[10:00] <nmorse> I wonder what Composite's like with ATI proprietary drivers
[10:00] <Tm_T> :'(
[10:00] <Octane> i tried it
[10:00] <Octane> with my fc3 box
[10:00] <Octane> it was unbearible
[10:00] <Octane> plus it doesnt with with xinerma
[10:00] <Octane> and i had dual
[10:01] <nmorse> Ok, so how do I enable Composite again?
[10:01] <nmorse> What Section is it under in xorg.conf?
[10:01] <Octane> Section "Extensions"
[10:01] <Octane> Option "Composite" "Enable"
[10:01] <Octane> EndSection
[10:02] <nmorse> thanks
[10:04] <nmorse> right, KDE wrote its own compositing manager didn't it?
[10:06] <mathieu> slt tl;
[10:07] <nmorse> Octane: do you have XDamage enabled?
[10:07] <Octane> no i do not -- i never heard of that option
[10:08] <nmorse> Okay, I need it to use xcompmgr
[10:08] <nmorse> What do you use to manage compositing?
[10:09] <Octane> nmorse im not that advanced, i just use control center\
[10:12] <nmorse> And it works for you?
[10:15] <Octane> nmorse yes it does
[10:16] <nmorse> Hmm, the composite manager crashed twice within a minute to me and was disabled
[10:16] <nmorse> It doesn't think I have xorg 6.8
[10:22] <nmorse> fudge, enabling composite on ATI drivers disables DRI
[10:23] <Tm_T> is here any font expert?
[10:25] <hussam> how do I set an environment variable " export blah=something" in my user account only ?
[10:30] <nmorse> Define it in your .bashrc
[10:32] <hussam> nmorse: where to I add it in .bashrc ? at bottom?
[10:42] <nmorse> crud, making the XFCE themes work as GTK2 themes is going to take a lot of work
[10:42] <nmorse> Maybe I should see if Debian's done the work for me
[10:49] <nmorse> Fudge, it's still xfce 4.0.5 on Debian
[10:53] <Tm_T> :/
[10:55] <_kay> Evening :)
[10:55] <thunderdawg> anyone kubuntu powerpc users in channel?
[11:00] <uniq> thunderdawg: yes, but i'll go to bed very soon.
[11:03] <uniq> thunderdawg: do you have a question? 
[11:06] <uniq> thunderdawg: i'll go to bed now.. i have some powerpc related stuff on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuIbook
[11:06] <uniq> gnite.
[11:09] <seth_k> is anyone allowed to change the channel topic, or just ops? CA Mirror has the same issues as US
[11:10] <nmorse> try it and see
[11:10] <seth_k> I'm... hesitant
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[11:11] <nmorse> Do you know if the UK mirror is still having problems too?
[11:11] <seth_k> nmorse: last I heard GB mirror is fully functional
[11:13] <nmorse> ok
[11:14] <nmorse> If I knew more about IRC I'd try to edit the topic
[11:14] <seth_k> okay, I'll try it
[11:15] <seth_k> or, beaten :P
[11:15] <_kay> Common guys, use Konversation
[11:15] <seth_k> I do
[11:15] <_kay> This IS Kubuntu after all
[11:15] <_kay> You see that icon near the topic?
[11:16] <_kay> Click on it... what do you need to know about IRC for that?!
[11:16] <nmorse> Ah, never done that before
[11:16] <seth_k> _kay, my issue was whether or not that was condoned
[11:16] <seth_k> not how to do it
[11:16] <nmorse> Thanks for informing me, _kay
[11:16] <_kay> Well, in the best case I will be killed, ban and extribed
[11:16] <seth_k> :D
[11:16] <nmorse> there we go, fixed a typo
[11:17] <seth_k> hehe
[11:17] <seth_k> plurals are good
[11:17] <nmorse> And now I know how to edit the topic in Konversation
[11:17] <_kay> Ah... :)
[11:17] <seth_k> $knowledge++; D
[11:17] <nmorse> Indeed
[11:17] <_kay> Never saw it so good as in Konversation, btw
[11:18] <nmorse> I'm liking Konversation better than X-Chat
[11:18] <_kay> And I am not even on the new 0.18 that I just upgraded to (being a Breezy user)
[11:18] <nmorse> Except for the text replacement (lack thereof)
[11:18] <nmorse> and speelin-cheker
[11:18] <_kay> In the past, I was always on xchat too
[11:19] <seth_k> yeah, I'm using Mez's .18ubuntu1 right now
[11:19] <Tm_T> :/
[11:19] <_kay> Hm... Mez?
[11:19] <Tm_T> why KDE can't use all X fonts
[11:20] <seth_k> guy I work with at invisionfree.com
[11:20] <seth_k> I'm his test monkey
[11:20] <_kay> ah... good
[11:22] <_kay> it is
[11:22] <_kay> I just downloaded it, even ubuntu1 already I think
[11:23] <seth_k> ah, yep. That's Mez's version
[11:24] <_kay> hm, going to check it out
[11:24] <_kay> brb
[11:26] <_kay> Nice, even 1 bug fixed :p
[11:27] <seth_k> hehe
[11:28] <seth_k> fear of the unknown O_O
[11:32] <Tm_T> :/
[11:43] <_freak> hi all