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jdubsivang: once the basics are together and we're up and running, i'm going to talk to other groups in the project to see how we can make the fridge useful for them12:01
sivangjdub: way cool dude, nice to see all of these advancements.12:01
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lamontdoko: what exactly needs to be done (and on which architecture(s))?12:24
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Mezdid you have fun keybuk12:47
Keybuksome beer was had12:47
Mezaw and i wasnt invited12:47
Mez:'(12:47
Mezlol12:47
lsuactiafnerheh hey Mez 12:48
Mezhey lsuactiafner 12:48
whiprushthom: around?12:49
thomwhiprush: thinking about bed, but more or less12:50
thomwhiprush: how's it goin'?12:50
whiprushjust wanted to let you know I built NM with the dhcp thing you uploaded12:51
whiprushand it's working pretty good.12:51
whiprushI'm at a bar and NM just knew what to do when I resumed to join the network. It's pretty awesome.12:52
thomrock on. i'm hoping to get the packaging for 0.4 done monday and get it uploaded. 12:52
thomawesome! :-)12:52
whiprushI have one hard crash so I'll report it if I see it with your package12:52
thomdid you build latest CVS?12:52
whiprushyeah12:52
whiprushplugging in a cable locks up the laptop about every 5th time.12:53
whiprushwhen it doesn't lock up it switched to the wired network though, which is neat.12:53
thomwoah12:54
whiprushwhen the cable unplugs it starts looking around for an AP.12:54
thom(woah at the hardlock, that is)12:54
thomyeah, when it works right NM is awesome12:55
whiprushyeah the last thing in the log is something about ipv6. Haven't looked deeply at it yet though.12:55
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dokolamont: ping01:38
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Mezgot damn findutils01:39
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TerminXanyone know when vlc will be fixed?01:52
Amaranthnext year :)01:56
Amaranthafter the cxx transition is finished for libraries01:56
Amaranthall c++ apps are on restricted upload status until the libraries finish01:56
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TerminXI didn't even realize VLC was c++01:56
TerminX:)01:56
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Burgundaviawhiprush, ping, regarding the fridge02:08
whiprushpong02:08
AmaranthBurgundavia: where is this mysterious new icon theme from andy? :)02:09
BurgundaviaAmaranth, ask jdub and andy02:10
Amaranthjdub: can i get a sneak peak at andy's new icons?02:10
Burgundaviawhiprush, basically, as soon as you are live, I am going to have content for you, but I am wondering what is the best way to get that to you.02:13
whiprushBurgundavia: can you mail me your address (jorge@whiprush.org), I'll have jdub put you on the distro list for fridge.02:15
Burgundaviaalso, regarding said content, it will involve images (screenshots), should those also come with?02:16
whiprushBurgundavia: we haven't really decided on implementation details. Ideally, I would like to see articles put right into the wiki, and have fridge just point to them.02:18
Burgundaviaugh02:18
Burgundaviauploading images to the wiki sucks02:18
whiprushthat way we have content in the wiki where it Should Be(tm) instead of seperately on another cms.02:18
Burgundaviayes02:18
whiprushhow that stuff will work is still TBD though.02:18
Burgundaviawell, screenshots should really be part of launchpad, so that the new app installer can use them also02:19
whiprushin the meantime just hang onto your content, once we have a better idea of how things will work we'll talk those details.02:21
Burgundaviacool02:22
lamontdoko: ack02:54
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AmaranthSloMoSnail: I merged in your translation work and made some changes to it.03:10
AmaranthSloMoSnail: I'll be in string freeze mode when I get back next week, if you want to translate the new strings.03:11
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AmaranthAndyFitz: can i get a peek at your new icons?04:49
AndyFitzAmaranth, sure thing.  just setting up a new box down the coast at the moment. so I won't have access to them until tomorrow04:50
Amaranththat's cool04:50
AndyFitzlove how breezy now mounts ipods with the ipod icon :)04:51
jdubAndyFitz: send me a new drop while you're at it (spank-spank-spank!)04:51
AndyFitzarf-arf-arf04:52
AndyFitzAmaranth, pm me your e-mail addy and I'll CC you in the next drop04:55
AmaranthAndyFitz: thanks04:57
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hondjeHi. bugzilla isn't allowing me to post my two bugs, for some reason.  Is there a bot or something I can mail these to instead?07:32
hondjeOr someone who doesn't mind a little copy-paste?07:33
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sladenhondje: does Bugzilla give a reason08:06
sladenhondje: if you get totally stuck, send them to the mailing-list08:06
hondjesladen: it keeps telling me ' 'User' is not a valid bug number. It is neither a bug number nor an alias to a bug number. If you are trying to use QuickSearch, you need to enable JavaScript in your browser.'08:12
hondjesladen: I don't see an option for bug number though...I'm trying to post in the Ubuntu section08:17
hondjepost to ubuntu-devel, or to the guy (thom@ubuntu.com) that bugzilla was going to assign it to?08:38
Amarantherr, is everything failing?08:49
hondjethese aren't terribly urgent bugs, I'll wait a day or two and try again, if not then I'll drop it on ubuntu-devel08:51
sladenhondje: what do you have in the 'Blocks:' and 'Depends:' fields.  make sure they are blank08:57
hondjeI had one in depends08:59
Amaranthah, thats why08:59
AmaranthDepends: takes a bug number09:00
hondjeoh, I totally mis-rtfm'd that. Not unusual for me09:00
hondjenow it's in, yay for hondje09:01
hondjeThanks a lot, sladen, Amaranth09:01
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jdubBurgundavia: .ogv, .oga and .spx already exist09:31
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robitaillejdub,  so why we don't use .ogv?09:35
danielswho's 'we'?09:35
robitailleby the way, finally watch your 10x10 guadec talk tonight (as a ".ogg" file".  Very interesting.09:36
robitailledaniels,  guadec live video feed were .ogg files.  "we" as in "some site out there" use ogg files as video files.  Burgundavia  blog entry was talking that this create some  confusion09:38
jdubrobitaille: :)09:40
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-love for getting involved | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | Ubuntu 5.04 is released! | MOM is awake! | Colony CD 1 released | gcc4 transition finished, breezy probably well broken, uploads of C++ packages in universe restricted || don't use ppc64 kernels yet. wait for the next release kthxbye.
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ZombBTS on launchpad says "Invalid value" and nothing more11:14
Zombfuck that11:14
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dokoinfinity, lamont: ping11:21
fabbionehey doko11:22
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dokomorning fabbione, or are you preparing lunch?11:29
fabbionedoko: no why?11:31
fabbionedoko: i was going to ask you if we could check what C++ applications i can build on sparc11:32
fabbionegiven that you have all the lists and stuff11:32
fabbioneat least for main11:32
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dokoare all the libs done11:36
doko?11:36
fabbionedoko: that's what i would like to check with you :)11:36
fabbionei think i did all the libs11:36
dokoso you have to make sure that all the packages in the the "New bin" column from the wiki list are available.11:38
fabbionecan you give me the URL again please?11:38
dokobe sure to have firefox-dev and festival-dev built as well.11:38
fabbionei had to neglet sparc for a while11:39
dokohttps://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CxxLibraryList11:39
fabbionedoko: if there is no "New Bin" ??11:40
fabbioneoh they are apps11:40
dokothen it is not renamed and you can ignore it11:40
dokoand kdebase should be built before building the KDE apps11:40
fabbionekdebase has been built heaps load of time11:41
fabbionekde* has never been banned11:41
fabbione+ without kdebase you can't satisfy b-d for the other apps11:41
fabbionedoko: do you have this list in text format?11:42
dokofabbione: chinstrap:~doko/wiki*11:43
fabbionedoko: thanks11:43
fabbionedoko: so given that i have all the libs in main builded, i can unleash the buildd on the apps11:44
fabbionei am pretty sure i did build all of them11:46
fabbionebut i will check again.. thanks doko11:47
dokofabbione: only the apps in main11:47
fabbionedoko: yeps of course11:52
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LikesHisLunchDoes anyone here have experience building OpenOffice.org on Ubuntu with ooo-build?12:17
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bob2daniels: does ubuntu have http://www.gnome.org/~seth/xserver.patch merged yet?01:41
danielsbob2: i assume the former prevents over-reporting of damage?01:43
bob2daniels: I think so01:43
danielsthere's a different (vastly more correct) patch in HEAD that I might steal if it's an issue01:44
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danielsanyway, tart comes out of the oven now01:44
bob2ah01:44
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eruinis there any chance of getting the via82cxxx kernel module loaded by default on computers with via82cxxx gear? - It allows useful things like setting dma om ide-cd's02:40
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madduckdoes ubuntu have a mailing list like debian-mentors02:50
madducki am looking for some co-maintainers and would like to send a note there...02:50
bob2ubuntu-motu may be what you're looking for02:51
madduckhttp://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ has nothing on that.02:51
Nafallomadduck: #ubuntu-motu02:59
madducknot a mailing list... :/03:00
madduckoh well, i sent the message to ubuntu-devel@l.u.o03:00
tsengwe arent big enough to split ubuntu-devel mailing list03:00
madduckthat'll do.03:00
tsengwe work mostly on irc.03:00
madduckanyone here responsible for the zope/plone stuff?03:00
tsengand the wiki03:00
madduckother than doko03:00
madduck?03:00
tsengi think there might be one other person, but i imagine doko would be happy to talk to you if you have some fixes03:01
madducki already talked to doko.03:01
tsengthen?03:01
madduckit's not about fixes, it's about changing the way ubuntu and debian work together on zope/plone03:01
madduckwhich will be started at the debconf03:01
madduckand since i just saw the motu team for zope/plone03:01
madducki would think they should know.03:02
tsengah does the page list any nicks?03:02
tsengone second03:02
madduckherve...03:02
tsengherve and ajmitch03:03
tsengI can give you emails for them03:03
madduckthat would be nice.03:03
ograhey tseng 03:04
tsengmorning ogra 03:04
ogratseng, how was this funny javascrip driven wiki called `03:04
ogra?03:04
tsengogra: hm i dont remember03:04
tsengits on tbermans blog one second03:04
ograthats enough info...03:04
tsenghttp://shared.snapgrid.com/gtd_tiddlywiki.html03:05
tsengi never ended up getting into it that much03:05
ograi just told some norway guy about it... he wanted to see it :)03:06
ograthanks03:06
tsengnp03:06
tsengmadduck: see msg if you havent03:06
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hungerLOL!03:40
hungerSaw the debian sarge review on /.? "Only occasionally does this new release differ from Ubuntu."03:40
Simiraheh03:43
Simirawell, they obviously do have a lot in common03:43
Simiraand I guess the biggest difference is in philosophy around the distro... but I wouldn't even consider changing to Sarge :p03:44
hungerSimira: I am wondering what to install on my new laptop... and still undecided.03:44
Simirahunger: what have you used before?03:44
Simirahunger: my laptop is kind of a developer/travelling tool, so I dualboot windows/Breezy on mine03:45
hungerSimira: I am using debian and ubuntu.03:45
hungerSimira: Well mine will get either debian/unstable or ubuntu/unstable.03:45
Simirahunger: I'd suggest Breezy, if you're not very dependent on stability. It's exciting following it up. It is Debconf soon, though...03:46
Simirahm, maybe I should consider putting up a sarge somehwere, just to have a look at Debian before going to Debconf... :p03:46
Simiramy laptop do have enough with those two, though.03:47
hungerSimira: Well, there is some stuff in the BreezyGoals that I do not like... 03:47
Simirahunger: like what?03:47
hungerSimira: Maybe I should follow breezy then... and complain if things go wrong;-)03:47
Simirahunger: it's up to you to do something about it, you know ;) That's what I like about Ubuntu.03:48
hungerSimira: I am afraid that the network stuff is going to be very gnome-centric i.e. I am on kubuntu and want to see the improvements as well.03:48
bob2presumably the kde people are doing the same thing03:48
Simirahunger: ah, right. Are you "only" a user, or do you develop or do other work on Debian or Ubuntu?03:48
bob24.0 can't be that far out03:48
hungerSimira: I am only a user of ubuntu/debian.03:49
hungerSimira: I do develop stuff, but that is unrelated.03:49
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hungerIt would be really cool if breezy shipped with dmix set up....05:04
bob2what a great idea05:05
bob2why didn't anyone else think of that ;)05:05
danielswe should just use polypaudio instead05:05
hungerbob2: Dunno;-)05:05
danielsi hear that rocks05:05
tsenghaha05:06
hungerdaniels: Well whatever... but having one sound channel only is so 1980s.05:07
bob2so05:07
bob2setup dmix05:07
bob2enjoy!05:07
bob2breezy is being worked on05:07
hungerbob2: I know. But I do not remember readirg anything about sound in BreezyGoals.05:07
tsenghunger: then you missed out, because we are already working on polypaudio, dmix, hotplug alsa magic05:08
hungertseng: Cool!05:08
hungertseng: So this will work in breezy? Wow, ubuntu rocks!05:09
tsengof course it does.05:09
ograhunger, didnt you see the udu wiki ? 05:09
hungerogra: I did.05:09
ograhttp://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/AudioInfrastructure (guessed)05:10
hungerogra: I must have missed that... stupid me.05:10
hungersorry for the noise!05:10
ogra:)05:10
hungerogra: So basically I have to sit back and wait for someone to implement this? Or can I try to help?05:14
ograhunger, you can ask pitti how you can help testing etc05:14
tsenghunger: the biggest thing we need afaik is this:05:14
tsengtesting dmix on as many sound cards as possible and filing alsa bugs for ones that dont work05:15
hungerWow, great, alsaplayer is not installable:-(05:15
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-love for getting involved | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | Ubuntu 5.04 is released! | MOM is awake! | Colony CD 1 released | gcc4 transition finished, breezy probably well broken, uploads of C++ packages in universe restricted || don't use ppc64 kernels yet. wait for the next release kthxbye.
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tsume_did somebody fix the hoary updates yet?05:47
tsume_login and several others had a md5 mismatch05:47
bob2us.archive.ubuntu.com is screwed05:53
bob2which is in the #ubuntu topic05:53
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tsengdaniels: so i got the muine ipod plugin working06:02
tsengdaniels: its hardcore.06:02
danielsphat06:02
tsengill package it eventually06:02
tsengit needs a little helper lib too06:02
tsume_bob2: I haven't visited #ubuntu in a long while :)06:02
tsume_bob2: why doesn't someone fix the problem?06:03
tsengdo we even control that mirror?06:03
danielswe don't control us., no06:03
tsengwell there you go06:04
dokoinfinity, lamont: ping06:04
infinitydoko : pong.06:04
dokoinfinity: could you throw all *-java to the buildds again, plus jsch and jakarta-log4j1.2 ?06:05
\shre06:05
infinityIn a few mins, sure.06:06
dokothanks06:06
tsume_...06:11
tsume_what person screwed over the us mirror?06:11
danielstry to be a little less harsh, maybe06:11
tsume_daniels: I could think of far more. Point is, it should have been repaired immediately upon the finding of the mirror being broken06:12
danielstsume_: no, actually, point is, someone's providing a half-working mirror, that's generally been working in the past.  you're not providing any mirror at all.  so I suggest you be far less harsh towards the us. mirror operator.06:14
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tsume_its better providing no mirror than a broken mirror06:14
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tsume_daniels: it makes a person look like a dumb ass when the person is showing off ubuntu to a friend and then everything craps out when he tries to perform updates06:15
tsume_daniels: so, no. I will not be less harsh06:15
jnctsume_: ...06:15
danielstsume_: i'm sure us.archive will get fixed eventually.  in the meantime, if you want to criticise someone for providing a service, feel free.  but don't expect any respect from my end, at least06:19
tsume_daniels: perfectly fine. I'm not going to damn a project over another's screw up. 06:21
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ogratsume_, btw, did you inform the person running the mirror ?06:22
tsume_ogra: couldn't find his phone number06:22
ChoubakaYou could save it by saying "Looks like the US mirror is having trouble. Let's try something else." and the swap the mirrors quickly with apt-setup. :P06:23
ogratsume_, there are such nice inventions like email nowadays, i guess you'll find out.... he probably doesnt even know his mirror isnt working06:23
tsume_Choubaka: he isn't exactly linux-savy06:24
ChoubakaThat doesn't matter.06:24
Choubakayou'll just have to explain what a mirror is, and why it's not the fault of the distro if one is down temporarily, and that it's easy to change to a working one.06:25
tsume_gee, and that would make it should like the distro is shoddy06:26
ChoubakaHow?06:27
tsume_"Something" doesn't work.06:27
danielsi think this discussion has staggered way too off-topic06:27
ChoubakaPerhaps.06:27
ogradaniels, yep, its absolutely not development related....06:28
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ChoubakaHm.06:30
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zygaanyone around who knows a bit about evolution?06:46
zygaI'm trying to fix some i18n issues06:47
zygamake -C po update-po fails miserably06:47
zygaanyone interested in helping/06:49
Burgundaviajdub, I have seen other sites use .ogg as well, because they can06:51
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Q-FUNKhi.  could you guys use the help of a really talented coder who specialized in hacking resource-efficient live CDs?07:47
Q-FUNKI found this guy's live Cd rather amazing:  www.deadcd.org07:47
Q-FUNKhe's a young czech coder.  he would love to be hired by some OSS startup to further develop his live CD concepts.07:48
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Q-FUNKhe was asking me for job leads and I figured that he would have potential for Canonical.07:48
zygacould someone explain line 771 in intool-update from evolution source?07:49
zyga    my $MSGMERGE = $ENV{"MSGMERGE"} || "/home/evolution-dist-21/bin/msgmerge";07:49
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zygawhy the heck /home/evolution-dist-21/ ?07:50
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zygaevolution is pretty f*** up IMHO :/07:58
zygaI mean package source 07:58
zulzyga: patches welcome i suspect :)07:58
zygazul: even if08:00
zygazul: evoution is probably outdated now ;-)08:00
zygazul: hoary evolution that is08:00
tsumehehe08:01
=== tsume pets breezy machine
zygazul: I hope my patches will make any sense08:01
tsumebreezy rocks :)08:01
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zyga;-)08:01
zygaall I wanted to do was to fix a minor i18n issue08:01
tsumeMy laptop works wonderfully08:02
zygatsume: is brezy usable now?08:02
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tsumezyga: I've been using breezy since it was created08:03
tsumenow I'm running kernel 2.6.12 :)08:03
=== tsume pets package
tsumerunning the most current software is the most important thing.08:04
zygatsume: I'm not that hardcore08:04
tsumezyga: I'm a BSDer, I'm 100% hardcore :)08:04
zygatsume: I'm not good at sloving problems with everything08:04
tsumezyga: I am :)08:04
zygatsume: I'm good at fixing stuff that almost works08:04
tsumezyga: I like fixing 100% broken stuff ;)08:04
zygatsume: besides I need to work on my laptop from time to time :)08:04
tsumezyga: my laptop works 100% ;)08:05
zygatsume: doing webdesign in the linux console is not useful ;>08:05
zygatsume: okay okay, I'll wait a week or three and give breezy a try08:05
tsumezyga: use X08:05
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tsumezyga: I'm in Gnome right now08:05
tsumeeverything wfm08:05
zygatsume: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and *nothing* elese?08:07
tsumeweeell.. you might need to rebuild your font dirs :)08:07
zygatsume: nah.. I'll wait :-)08:07
zygatsume: hehe - dont get me wrong I love hacking08:07
tsumemkfontdir (about 6-8 different font dirs, depending on what you enable)08:07
zygatsume: but there are finite number of things one person should follow and understand IMHO :)08:08
tsumethen bada boom! everything boots :)08:08
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zygaI don't really want to know how font subsystem works08:08
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-love for getting involved | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | Ubuntu 5.04 is released! | MOM is awake! | Colony CD 1 released | gcc4 transition finished, breezy probably well broken, uploads of C++ packages in universe restricted || don't use ppc64 kernels yet. wait for the next release kthxbye.
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siretarthi08:28
siretartis there really no g77-4.0?08:28
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infinitysiretart : Nope, but there's a gfortran. (which isn't entirely compatible)08:53
mxpxpodthom: ping08:54
siretartinfinity: i'm currently trying to cxx transition mpqc, which needs g77. 08:55
siretartI assume its ok to just build depend on g77, which installs g77-3.4, yes?08:56
infinitysiretart : Yes.08:56
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zygathom: is updating extensions in firefox broken? (hoary)08:57
zygathom: the scalpel cut that took out update feature left something behind: XML Parsing Error: no element found08:58
zygaLocation: jar:resource:///chrome/toolkit.jar!/content/mozapps/update/updates.xml08:58
zygaLine Number 1, Column 1:08:58
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zygathom: I've got a patch if you'd like09:05
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siretartgnarf. link errors :(09:16
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zygathom: I revert that, I have no idea where that comes from, my patch does not seem to fix it09:25
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zygathom: anyway it's at http://www.suxx.pl/patches/no-more-referenses-to-updates-xml.patch09:35
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Nafalloseb128: thanx! :-)10:10
seb128for?10:10
Nafalloseb128: that multimediakeys bug drives me nuts :-).10:10
seb128oh, np10:11
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doogluspackage libcurses-perl doesn't contain anything but documentation any more.  is that a bug?11:27
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the--dudhello there folks, I'd like to get more involved in the ubuntu development in some way or another... Just reading up on the ubuntu wiki now11:36
mdkewelcome the--dud 11:36
the--dudwhere is there most use for some fresh blood?11:36
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the--dudmdke, thanks. how are you?11:36
mdkethe--dud, good thanks. You can ask on #ubuntu-motu, this is the place for new developers who work on Ubuntu's universe repositories11:37
the--dudallright, they primarily work with packaging don't they?11:37
the--dudat least that's my impression11:38
mdkeyes11:38
mdkebut you should ask them because i'm not qualified to say really../11:39
the--dudhehe11:39
the--dudI'd really be more interested to work with coding in a more direct way to the actual ubuntu distro11:40
the--dudas I'm an IT consultant, I'd might be of some use? :)11:40
mdkethe--dud, see what other people in the chan recommend, i'm sure that fixing bugs is very helpful tho11:41
mdkethe--dud, also there are some bounties and target specifications for breezy development that you could get involved in11:42
the--dudyeah...11:42
dooglusmdke: it's hard to know which bugs are already being worked on.  it's a shame to duplicate effort11:42
mdketrue11:42
mdkehttp://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ <-- the--dud 11:42
the--dudalready submitted some bug fixes through that online thingie11:42
mdkecool11:43
the--dudthanks11:43
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Simiramako: ping11:46
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the--dudmmk11:54
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the--dudcame to think about something, is ubuntu in need of mirrors of any sorts?11:55
the--dudnm, read the wiki page >_<11:57

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