[12:01] <jdub> sivang: once the basics are together and we're up and running, i'm going to talk to other groups in the project to see how we can make the fridge useful for them
[12:01] <sivang> jdub: way cool dude, nice to see all of these advancements.
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[12:24] <lamont> doko: what exactly needs to be done (and on which architecture(s))?
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[12:47] <Mez> did you have fun keybuk
[12:47] <Keybuk> some beer was had
[12:47] <Mez> aw and i wasnt invited
[12:47] <Mez> :'(
[12:47] <Mez> lol
[12:48] <lsuactiafner> heh hey Mez 
[12:48] <Mez> hey lsuactiafner 
[12:49] <whiprush> thom: around?
[12:50] <thom> whiprush: thinking about bed, but more or less
[12:50] <thom> whiprush: how's it goin'?
[12:51] <whiprush> just wanted to let you know I built NM with the dhcp thing you uploaded
[12:51] <whiprush> and it's working pretty good.
[12:52] <whiprush> I'm at a bar and NM just knew what to do when I resumed to join the network. It's pretty awesome.
[12:52] <thom> rock on. i'm hoping to get the packaging for 0.4 done monday and get it uploaded. 
[12:52] <thom> awesome! :-)
[12:52] <whiprush> I have one hard crash so I'll report it if I see it with your package
[12:52] <thom> did you build latest CVS?
[12:52] <whiprush> yeah
[12:53] <whiprush> plugging in a cable locks up the laptop about every 5th time.
[12:53] <whiprush> when it doesn't lock up it switched to the wired network though, which is neat.
[12:54] <thom> woah
[12:54] <whiprush> when the cable unplugs it starts looking around for an AP.
[12:54] <thom> (woah at the hardlock, that is)
[12:55] <thom> yeah, when it works right NM is awesome
[12:55] <whiprush> yeah the last thing in the log is something about ipv6. Haven't looked deeply at it yet though.
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[01:38] <doko> lamont: ping
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[01:39] <Mez> got damn findutils
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[01:52] <TerminX> anyone know when vlc will be fixed?
[01:56] <Amaranth> next year :)
[01:56] <Amaranth> after the cxx transition is finished for libraries
[01:56] <Amaranth> all c++ apps are on restricted upload status until the libraries finish
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[01:56] <TerminX> I didn't even realize VLC was c++
[01:56] <TerminX> :)
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[02:08] <Burgundavia> whiprush, ping, regarding the fridge
[02:08] <whiprush> pong
[02:09] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: where is this mysterious new icon theme from andy? :)
[02:10] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, ask jdub and andy
[02:10] <Amaranth> jdub: can i get a sneak peak at andy's new icons?
[02:13] <Burgundavia> whiprush, basically, as soon as you are live, I am going to have content for you, but I am wondering what is the best way to get that to you.
[02:15] <whiprush> Burgundavia: can you mail me your address (jorge@whiprush.org), I'll have jdub put you on the distro list for fridge.
[02:16] <Burgundavia> also, regarding said content, it will involve images (screenshots), should those also come with?
[02:18] <whiprush> Burgundavia: we haven't really decided on implementation details. Ideally, I would like to see articles put right into the wiki, and have fridge just point to them.
[02:18] <Burgundavia> ugh
[02:18] <Burgundavia> uploading images to the wiki sucks
[02:18] <whiprush> that way we have content in the wiki where it Should Be(tm) instead of seperately on another cms.
[02:18] <Burgundavia> yes
[02:18] <whiprush> how that stuff will work is still TBD though.
[02:19] <Burgundavia> well, screenshots should really be part of launchpad, so that the new app installer can use them also
[02:21] <whiprush> in the meantime just hang onto your content, once we have a better idea of how things will work we'll talk those details.
[02:22] <Burgundavia> cool
[02:54] <lamont> doko: ack
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[03:10] <Amaranth> SloMoSnail: I merged in your translation work and made some changes to it.
[03:11] <Amaranth> SloMoSnail: I'll be in string freeze mode when I get back next week, if you want to translate the new strings.
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[04:49] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: can i get a peek at your new icons?
[04:50] <AndyFitz> Amaranth, sure thing.  just setting up a new box down the coast at the moment. so I won't have access to them until tomorrow
[04:50] <Amaranth> that's cool
[04:51] <AndyFitz> love how breezy now mounts ipods with the ipod icon :)
[04:51] <jdub> AndyFitz: send me a new drop while you're at it (spank-spank-spank!)
[04:52] <AndyFitz> arf-arf-arf
[04:55] <AndyFitz> Amaranth, pm me your e-mail addy and I'll CC you in the next drop
[04:57] <Amaranth> AndyFitz: thanks
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[07:32] <hondje> Hi. bugzilla isn't allowing me to post my two bugs, for some reason.  Is there a bot or something I can mail these to instead?
[07:33] <hondje> Or someone who doesn't mind a little copy-paste?
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[08:06] <sladen> hondje: does Bugzilla give a reason
[08:06] <sladen> hondje: if you get totally stuck, send them to the mailing-list
[08:12] <hondje> sladen: it keeps telling me ' 'User' is not a valid bug number. It is neither a bug number nor an alias to a bug number. If you are trying to use QuickSearch, you need to enable JavaScript in your browser.'
[08:17] <hondje> sladen: I don't see an option for bug number though...I'm trying to post in the Ubuntu section
[08:38] <hondje> post to ubuntu-devel, or to the guy (thom@ubuntu.com) that bugzilla was going to assign it to?
[08:49] <Amaranth> err, is everything failing?
[08:51] <hondje> these aren't terribly urgent bugs, I'll wait a day or two and try again, if not then I'll drop it on ubuntu-devel
[08:57] <sladen> hondje: what do you have in the 'Blocks:' and 'Depends:' fields.  make sure they are blank
[08:59] <hondje> I had one in depends
[08:59] <Amaranth> ah, thats why
[09:00] <Amaranth> Depends: takes a bug number
[09:00] <hondje> oh, I totally mis-rtfm'd that. Not unusual for me
[09:01] <hondje> now it's in, yay for hondje
[09:01] <hondje> Thanks a lot, sladen, Amaranth
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[09:31] <jdub> Burgundavia: .ogv, .oga and .spx already exist
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[09:35] <robitaille> jdub,  so why we don't use .ogv?
[09:35] <daniels> who's 'we'?
[09:36] <robitaille> by the way, finally watch your 10x10 guadec talk tonight (as a ".ogg" file".  Very interesting.
[09:38] <robitaille> daniels,  guadec live video feed were .ogg files.  "we" as in "some site out there" use ogg files as video files.  Burgundavia  blog entry was talking that this create some  confusion
[09:40] <jdub> robitaille: :)
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-love for getting involved | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | Ubuntu 5.04 is released! | MOM is awake! | Colony CD 1 released | gcc4 transition finished, breezy probably well broken, uploads of C++ packages in universe restricted || don't use ppc64 kernels yet. wait for the next release kthxbye.
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[11:14] <Zomb> BTS on launchpad says "Invalid value" and nothing more
[11:14] <Zomb> fuck that
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[11:21] <doko> infinity, lamont: ping
[11:22] <fabbione> hey doko
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[11:29] <doko> morning fabbione, or are you preparing lunch?
[11:31] <fabbione> doko: no why?
[11:32] <fabbione> doko: i was going to ask you if we could check what C++ applications i can build on sparc
[11:32] <fabbione> given that you have all the lists and stuff
[11:32] <fabbione> at least for main
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[11:36] <doko> are all the libs done
[11:36] <doko> ?
[11:36] <fabbione> doko: that's what i would like to check with you :)
[11:36] <fabbione> i think i did all the libs
[11:38] <doko> so you have to make sure that all the packages in the the "New bin" column from the wiki list are available.
[11:38] <fabbione> can you give me the URL again please?
[11:38] <doko> be sure to have firefox-dev and festival-dev built as well.
[11:39] <fabbione> i had to neglet sparc for a while
[11:39] <doko> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CxxLibraryList
[11:40] <fabbione> doko: if there is no "New Bin" ??
[11:40] <fabbione> oh they are apps
[11:40] <doko> then it is not renamed and you can ignore it
[11:40] <doko> and kdebase should be built before building the KDE apps
[11:41] <fabbione> kdebase has been built heaps load of time
[11:41] <fabbione> kde* has never been banned
[11:41] <fabbione> + without kdebase you can't satisfy b-d for the other apps
[11:42] <fabbione> doko: do you have this list in text format?
[11:43] <doko> fabbione: chinstrap:~doko/wiki*
[11:43] <fabbione> doko: thanks
[11:44] <fabbione> doko: so given that i have all the libs in main builded, i can unleash the buildd on the apps
[11:46] <fabbione> i am pretty sure i did build all of them
[11:47] <fabbione> but i will check again.. thanks doko
[11:47] <doko> fabbione: only the apps in main
[11:52] <fabbione> doko: yeps of course
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[12:17] <LikesHisLunch> Does anyone here have experience building OpenOffice.org on Ubuntu with ooo-build?
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[01:41] <bob2> daniels: does ubuntu have http://www.gnome.org/~seth/xserver.patch merged yet?
[01:43] <daniels> bob2: i assume the former prevents over-reporting of damage?
[01:43] <bob2> daniels: I think so
[01:44] <daniels> there's a different (vastly more correct) patch in HEAD that I might steal if it's an issue
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[01:44] <daniels> anyway, tart comes out of the oven now
[01:44] <bob2> ah
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[02:40] <eruin> is there any chance of getting the via82cxxx kernel module loaded by default on computers with via82cxxx gear? - It allows useful things like setting dma om ide-cd's
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[02:50] <madduck> does ubuntu have a mailing list like debian-mentors
[02:50] <madduck> i am looking for some co-maintainers and would like to send a note there...
[02:51] <bob2> ubuntu-motu may be what you're looking for
[02:51] <madduck> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ has nothing on that.
[02:59] <Nafallo> madduck: #ubuntu-motu
[03:00] <madduck> not a mailing list... :/
[03:00] <madduck> oh well, i sent the message to ubuntu-devel@l.u.o
[03:00] <tseng> we arent big enough to split ubuntu-devel mailing list
[03:00] <madduck> that'll do.
[03:00] <tseng> we work mostly on irc.
[03:00] <madduck> anyone here responsible for the zope/plone stuff?
[03:00] <tseng> and the wiki
[03:00] <madduck> other than doko
[03:00] <madduck> ?
[03:01] <tseng> i think there might be one other person, but i imagine doko would be happy to talk to you if you have some fixes
[03:01] <madduck> i already talked to doko.
[03:01] <tseng> then?
[03:01] <madduck> it's not about fixes, it's about changing the way ubuntu and debian work together on zope/plone
[03:01] <madduck> which will be started at the debconf
[03:01] <madduck> and since i just saw the motu team for zope/plone
[03:02] <madduck> i would think they should know.
[03:02] <tseng> ah does the page list any nicks?
[03:02] <tseng> one second
[03:02] <madduck> herve...
[03:03] <tseng> herve and ajmitch
[03:03] <tseng> I can give you emails for them
[03:03] <madduck> that would be nice.
[03:04] <ogra> hey tseng 
[03:04] <tseng> morning ogra 
[03:04] <ogra> tseng, how was this funny javascrip driven wiki called `
[03:04] <ogra> ?
[03:04] <tseng> ogra: hm i dont remember
[03:04] <tseng> its on tbermans blog one second
[03:04] <ogra> thats enough info...
[03:05] <tseng> http://shared.snapgrid.com/gtd_tiddlywiki.html
[03:05] <tseng> i never ended up getting into it that much
[03:06] <ogra> i just told some norway guy about it... he wanted to see it :)
[03:06] <ogra> thanks
[03:06] <tseng> np
[03:06] <tseng> madduck: see msg if you havent
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[03:40] <hunger> LOL!
[03:40] <hunger> Saw the debian sarge review on /.? "Only occasionally does this new release differ from Ubuntu."
[03:43] <Simira> heh
[03:43] <Simira> well, they obviously do have a lot in common
[03:44] <Simira> and I guess the biggest difference is in philosophy around the distro... but I wouldn't even consider changing to Sarge :p
[03:44] <hunger> Simira: I am wondering what to install on my new laptop... and still undecided.
[03:44] <Simira> hunger: what have you used before?
[03:45] <Simira> hunger: my laptop is kind of a developer/travelling tool, so I dualboot windows/Breezy on mine
[03:45] <hunger> Simira: I am using debian and ubuntu.
[03:45] <hunger> Simira: Well mine will get either debian/unstable or ubuntu/unstable.
[03:46] <Simira> hunger: I'd suggest Breezy, if you're not very dependent on stability. It's exciting following it up. It is Debconf soon, though...
[03:46] <Simira> hm, maybe I should consider putting up a sarge somehwere, just to have a look at Debian before going to Debconf... :p
[03:47] <Simira> my laptop do have enough with those two, though.
[03:47] <hunger> Simira: Well, there is some stuff in the BreezyGoals that I do not like... 
[03:47] <Simira> hunger: like what?
[03:47] <hunger> Simira: Maybe I should follow breezy then... and complain if things go wrong;-)
[03:48] <Simira> hunger: it's up to you to do something about it, you know ;) That's what I like about Ubuntu.
[03:48] <hunger> Simira: I am afraid that the network stuff is going to be very gnome-centric i.e. I am on kubuntu and want to see the improvements as well.
[03:48] <bob2> presumably the kde people are doing the same thing
[03:48] <Simira> hunger: ah, right. Are you "only" a user, or do you develop or do other work on Debian or Ubuntu?
[03:48] <bob2> 4.0 can't be that far out
[03:49] <hunger> Simira: I am only a user of ubuntu/debian.
[03:49] <hunger> Simira: I do develop stuff, but that is unrelated.
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[05:04] <hunger> It would be really cool if breezy shipped with dmix set up....
[05:05] <bob2> what a great idea
[05:05] <bob2> why didn't anyone else think of that ;)
[05:05] <daniels> we should just use polypaudio instead
[05:05] <hunger> bob2: Dunno;-)
[05:05] <daniels> i hear that rocks
[05:06] <tseng> haha
[05:07] <hunger> daniels: Well whatever... but having one sound channel only is so 1980s.
[05:07] <bob2> so
[05:07] <bob2> setup dmix
[05:07] <bob2> enjoy!
[05:07] <bob2> breezy is being worked on
[05:07] <hunger> bob2: I know. But I do not remember readirg anything about sound in BreezyGoals.
[05:08] <tseng> hunger: then you missed out, because we are already working on polypaudio, dmix, hotplug alsa magic
[05:08] <hunger> tseng: Cool!
[05:09] <hunger> tseng: So this will work in breezy? Wow, ubuntu rocks!
[05:09] <tseng> of course it does.
[05:09] <ogra> hunger, didnt you see the udu wiki ? 
[05:09] <hunger> ogra: I did.
[05:10] <ogra> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/AudioInfrastructure (guessed)
[05:10] <hunger> ogra: I must have missed that... stupid me.
[05:10] <hunger> sorry for the noise!
[05:10] <ogra> :)
[05:14] <hunger> ogra: So basically I have to sit back and wait for someone to implement this? Or can I try to help?
[05:14] <ogra> hunger, you can ask pitti how you can help testing etc
[05:14] <tseng> hunger: the biggest thing we need afaik is this:
[05:15] <tseng> testing dmix on as many sound cards as possible and filing alsa bugs for ones that dont work
[05:15] <hunger> Wow, great, alsaplayer is not installable:-(
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[05:47] <tsume_> did somebody fix the hoary updates yet?
[05:47] <tsume_> login and several others had a md5 mismatch
[05:53] <bob2> us.archive.ubuntu.com is screwed
[05:53] <bob2> which is in the #ubuntu topic
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[06:02] <tseng> daniels: so i got the muine ipod plugin working
[06:02] <tseng> daniels: its hardcore.
[06:02] <daniels> phat
[06:02] <tseng> ill package it eventually
[06:02] <tseng> it needs a little helper lib too
[06:02] <tsume_> bob2: I haven't visited #ubuntu in a long while :)
[06:03] <tsume_> bob2: why doesn't someone fix the problem?
[06:03] <tseng> do we even control that mirror?
[06:03] <daniels> we don't control us., no
[06:04] <tseng> well there you go
[06:04] <doko> infinity, lamont: ping
[06:04] <infinity> doko : pong.
[06:05] <doko> infinity: could you throw all *-java to the buildds again, plus jsch and jakarta-log4j1.2 ?
[06:05] <\sh> re
[06:06] <infinity> In a few mins, sure.
[06:06] <doko> thanks
[06:11] <tsume_> ...
[06:11] <tsume_> what person screwed over the us mirror?
[06:11] <daniels> try to be a little less harsh, maybe
[06:12] <tsume_> daniels: I could think of far more. Point is, it should have been repaired immediately upon the finding of the mirror being broken
[06:14] <daniels> tsume_: no, actually, point is, someone's providing a half-working mirror, that's generally been working in the past.  you're not providing any mirror at all.  so I suggest you be far less harsh towards the us. mirror operator.
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[06:14] <tsume_> its better providing no mirror than a broken mirror
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[06:15] <tsume_> daniels: it makes a person look like a dumb ass when the person is showing off ubuntu to a friend and then everything craps out when he tries to perform updates
[06:15] <tsume_> daniels: so, no. I will not be less harsh
[06:15] <jnc> tsume_: ...
[06:19] <daniels> tsume_: i'm sure us.archive will get fixed eventually.  in the meantime, if you want to criticise someone for providing a service, feel free.  but don't expect any respect from my end, at least
[06:21] <tsume_> daniels: perfectly fine. I'm not going to damn a project over another's screw up. 
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[06:22] <ogra> tsume_, btw, did you inform the person running the mirror ?
[06:22] <tsume_> ogra: couldn't find his phone number
[06:23] <Choubaka> You could save it by saying "Looks like the US mirror is having trouble. Let's try something else." and the swap the mirrors quickly with apt-setup. :P
[06:23] <ogra> tsume_, there are such nice inventions like email nowadays, i guess you'll find out.... he probably doesnt even know his mirror isnt working
[06:24] <tsume_> Choubaka: he isn't exactly linux-savy
[06:24] <Choubaka> That doesn't matter.
[06:25] <Choubaka> you'll just have to explain what a mirror is, and why it's not the fault of the distro if one is down temporarily, and that it's easy to change to a working one.
[06:26] <tsume_> gee, and that would make it should like the distro is shoddy
[06:27] <Choubaka> How?
[06:27] <tsume_> "Something" doesn't work.
[06:27] <daniels> i think this discussion has staggered way too off-topic
[06:27] <Choubaka> Perhaps.
[06:28] <ogra> daniels, yep, its absolutely not development related....
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[06:30] <Choubaka> Hm.
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[06:46] <zyga> anyone around who knows a bit about evolution?
[06:47] <zyga> I'm trying to fix some i18n issues
[06:47] <zyga> make -C po update-po fails miserably
[06:49] <zyga> anyone interested in helping/
[06:51] <Burgundavia> jdub, I have seen other sites use .ogg as well, because they can
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[07:47] <Q-FUNK> hi.  could you guys use the help of a really talented coder who specialized in hacking resource-efficient live CDs?
[07:47] <Q-FUNK> I found this guy's live Cd rather amazing:  www.deadcd.org
[07:48] <Q-FUNK> he's a young czech coder.  he would love to be hired by some OSS startup to further develop his live CD concepts.
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[07:48] <Q-FUNK> he was asking me for job leads and I figured that he would have potential for Canonical.
[07:49] <zyga> could someone explain line 771 in intool-update from evolution source?
[07:49] <zyga>     my $MSGMERGE = $ENV{"MSGMERGE"} || "/home/evolution-dist-21/bin/msgmerge";
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[07:50] <zyga> why the heck /home/evolution-dist-21/ ?
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[07:58] <zyga> evolution is pretty f*** up IMHO :/
[07:58] <zyga> I mean package source 
[07:58] <zul> zyga: patches welcome i suspect :)
[08:00] <zyga> zul: even if
[08:00] <zyga> zul: evoution is probably outdated now ;-)
[08:00] <zyga> zul: hoary evolution that is
[08:01] <tsume> hehe
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[08:01] <zyga> zul: I hope my patches will make any sense
[08:01] <tsume> breezy rocks :)
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[08:01] <zyga> ;-)
[08:01] <zyga> all I wanted to do was to fix a minor i18n issue
[08:02] <tsume> My laptop works wonderfully
[08:02] <zyga> tsume: is brezy usable now?
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[08:03] <tsume> zyga: I've been using breezy since it was created
[08:03] <tsume> now I'm running kernel 2.6.12 :)
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[08:04] <tsume> running the most current software is the most important thing.
[08:04] <zyga> tsume: I'm not that hardcore
[08:04] <tsume> zyga: I'm a BSDer, I'm 100% hardcore :)
[08:04] <zyga> tsume: I'm not good at sloving problems with everything
[08:04] <tsume> zyga: I am :)
[08:04] <zyga> tsume: I'm good at fixing stuff that almost works
[08:04] <tsume> zyga: I like fixing 100% broken stuff ;)
[08:04] <zyga> tsume: besides I need to work on my laptop from time to time :)
[08:05] <tsume> zyga: my laptop works 100% ;)
[08:05] <zyga> tsume: doing webdesign in the linux console is not useful ;>
[08:05] <zyga> tsume: okay okay, I'll wait a week or three and give breezy a try
[08:05] <tsume> zyga: use X
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[08:05] <tsume> zyga: I'm in Gnome right now
[08:05] <tsume> everything wfm
[08:07] <zyga> tsume: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and *nothing* elese?
[08:07] <tsume> weeell.. you might need to rebuild your font dirs :)
[08:07] <zyga> tsume: nah.. I'll wait :-)
[08:07] <zyga> tsume: hehe - dont get me wrong I love hacking
[08:07] <tsume> mkfontdir (about 6-8 different font dirs, depending on what you enable)
[08:08] <zyga> tsume: but there are finite number of things one person should follow and understand IMHO :)
[08:08] <tsume> then bada boom! everything boots :)
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[08:08] <zyga> I don't really want to know how font subsystem works
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[08:28] <siretart> hi
[08:28] <siretart> is there really no g77-4.0?
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[08:53] <infinity> siretart : Nope, but there's a gfortran. (which isn't entirely compatible)
[08:54] <mxpxpod> thom: ping
[08:55] <siretart> infinity: i'm currently trying to cxx transition mpqc, which needs g77. 
[08:56] <siretart> I assume its ok to just build depend on g77, which installs g77-3.4, yes?
[08:56] <infinity> siretart : Yes.
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[08:57] <zyga> thom: is updating extensions in firefox broken? (hoary)
[08:58] <zyga> thom: the scalpel cut that took out update feature left something behind: XML Parsing Error: no element found
[08:58] <zyga> Location: jar:resource:///chrome/toolkit.jar!/content/mozapps/update/updates.xml
[08:58] <zyga> Line Number 1, Column 1:
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[09:05] <zyga> thom: I've got a patch if you'd like
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[09:16] <siretart> gnarf. link errors :(
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[09:25] <zyga> thom: I revert that, I have no idea where that comes from, my patch does not seem to fix it
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[09:35] <zyga> thom: anyway it's at http://www.suxx.pl/patches/no-more-referenses-to-updates-xml.patch
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[10:10] <Nafallo> seb128: thanx! :-)
[10:10] <seb128> for?
[10:10] <Nafallo> seb128: that multimediakeys bug drives me nuts :-).
[10:11] <seb128> oh, np
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[11:27] <dooglus> package libcurses-perl doesn't contain anything but documentation any more.  is that a bug?
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[11:36] <the--dud> hello there folks, I'd like to get more involved in the ubuntu development in some way or another... Just reading up on the ubuntu wiki now
[11:36] <mdke> welcome the--dud 
[11:36] <the--dud> where is there most use for some fresh blood?
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[11:36] <the--dud> mdke, thanks. how are you?
[11:37] <mdke> the--dud, good thanks. You can ask on #ubuntu-motu, this is the place for new developers who work on Ubuntu's universe repositories
[11:37] <the--dud> allright, they primarily work with packaging don't they?
[11:38] <the--dud> at least that's my impression
[11:38] <mdke> yes
[11:39] <mdke> but you should ask them because i'm not qualified to say really../
[11:39] <the--dud> hehe
[11:40] <the--dud> I'd really be more interested to work with coding in a more direct way to the actual ubuntu distro
[11:40] <the--dud> as I'm an IT consultant, I'd might be of some use? :)
[11:41] <mdke> the--dud, see what other people in the chan recommend, i'm sure that fixing bugs is very helpful tho
[11:42] <mdke> the--dud, also there are some bounties and target specifications for breezy development that you could get involved in
[11:42] <the--dud> yeah...
[11:42] <dooglus> mdke: it's hard to know which bugs are already being worked on.  it's a shame to duplicate effort
[11:42] <mdke> true
[11:42] <mdke> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ <-- the--dud 
[11:42] <the--dud> already submitted some bug fixes through that online thingie
[11:43] <mdke> cool
[11:43] <the--dud> thanks
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[11:46] <Simira> mako: ping
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[11:54] <the--dud> mmk
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[11:55] <the--dud> came to think about something, is ubuntu in need of mirrors of any sorts?
[11:57] <the--dud> nm, read the wiki page >_<