| Micksa | mjg59: I HAVE STR! | 04:37 |
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| Micksa | I'm so happy | 04:37 |
| Micksa | has anyone suggested having ubuntu set "echo 10 >/proc/sys/vm/swappiness" on startup? | 04:39 |
| fabbione | morning | 08:55 |
| fabbione | Micksa: and what would be the benefit to have that setup? | 08:55 |
| crimsun | it'd be fairly dubious to make such a change without extensive testing | 09:06 |
| fabbione | i am not going to anyway | 09:17 |
| fabbione | but i would like to know the possible benefit of it | 09:17 |
| Micksa | general idea is it "improves desktop response" | 09:20 |
| fabbione | lamont: no we still don't have ipv6 stateful support | 09:20 |
| fabbione | Micksa: the general idea without specific data out of benchmarks are only subjective feelings ala gentoo | 09:20 |
| Micksa | I *think* it's the max percent of memory free before the kernel starts preemptively swapping stuff out | 09:20 |
| fabbione | "hey i compiled my kernel with -O31337 and everything crashes as twice as fast!" | 09:21 |
| Micksa | example: setting it to a lower value means if you copy a gig of files it won't swap all your apps out in the process | 09:21 |
| Micksa | what kind of testing? stableness or performance? | 09:22 |
| fabbione | Micksa: what is your default value? | 09:22 |
| fabbione | not the one you set.. the one that's there after a fresh boot | 09:22 |
| Micksa | well the default is 60 (it's 1-100) but I've set mine to 10 to see how it goes | 09:22 |
| fabbione | how much ram do you have on your system? | 09:23 |
| Micksa | 1G | 09:23 |
| Micksa | on this one | 09:23 |
| fabbione | same here | 09:23 |
| crimsun | [http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0409.0/1937.html for an earlier thread] | 09:23 |
| fabbione | on the others? | 09:23 |
| Micksa | so like, I don't think it makes so much difference for me :) | 09:23 |
| fabbione | i am curious to know if it is calculate at boot time | 09:23 |
| Micksa | the only other machine I have running 2.6 at the moment has 512M, but I don't have it in linux anyway | 09:23 |
| Micksa | I think it's just set at 60 | 09:24 |
| Micksa | I think it's a percentage | 09:24 |
| Micksa | I don't know for sure | 09:24 |
| Micksa | all I know is that it's in a range of 0-100, and a higher value gives more preference to cache, less to apps | 09:24 |
| Micksa | we could argue forever about where it should be set 8) | 09:25 |
| Micksa | google for it if you don't believe me | 09:25 |
| fabbione | Micksa: dude.. i didn't say i don't believe | 09:25 |
| crimsun | the higher the value, the more likely the kernel will swap out an app instead of reclaiming from cache | 09:25 |
| fabbione | i said i want to see numbers | 09:25 |
| Micksa | I just thought I'd mention it. It can at least improve *percieved* performance in certain situations | 09:26 |
| fabbione | and already the first page of crimsun thread would give you a perfect idea on why you shouldn't touch it | 09:26 |
| fabbione | "For example, at a swappiness value of 0, Kernel 2.6.5 swapped out 0 bytes, | 09:26 |
| fabbione | whereas Kernel 2.6.9-rc1-mm3 swapped out 10 GB." | 09:26 |
| Micksa | heh, ah, well :) | 09:27 |
| fabbione | since it's not a consistent value across kernels | 09:27 |
| fabbione | i think the default will be fine for everybody | 09:27 |
| fabbione | given that the benchmarks says that 60 is where the best interaction is at the moment | 09:27 |
| Micksa | BUT IT WILL MAKE EVERYTHING BETTER | 09:28 |
| Micksa | :) | 09:28 |
| fabbione | probably.. on desktop.. what about servers? | 09:29 |
| Micksa | it's probably best left at 60ish for servers | 09:29 |
| fabbione | and how do you expect to detect a server install from a desktop one? | 09:29 |
| crimsun | another reason to leave it alone: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54560 | 09:29 |
| Micksa | I dunno, I thought you guys had that covered :) | 09:29 |
| crimsun | I think we all recognize the name greg k-h | 09:29 |
| fabbione | Micksa: there is no way to distinguish installations | 09:29 |
| Micksa | damn. | 09:30 |
| Micksa | wouldn't it be nice if 2.6 got stable | 09:31 |
| Micksa | mmm, google searchable irc logs :) | 09:32 |
| Micksa | argh dammit, it's not in here | 09:34 |
| Micksa | oh these are yours! :) | 09:34 |
| Micksa | dammit. could you grep for a http:// from mjg59 around 7 days ago?... | 09:35 |
| Micksa | he pointed me at a patch which I've since lost | 09:35 |
| fabbione | http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ <- kthxbye | 09:35 |
| Micksa | FINE! | 09:37 |
| === Micksa starts wget -r | ||
| fabbione | Micksa: it's several MB :) | 09:37 |
| Micksa | *fuming* I know.... | 09:37 |
| fabbione | and a wget -r will parse the .html | 09:38 |
| fabbione | so basically you will endup downloading the internet :) | 09:38 |
| Micksa | wget -r -np. whatever. | 09:39 |
| Micksa | anyway I've found it | 09:39 |
| Micksa | you coulda just grepped for me and it would have saved us all this ;) | 09:39 |
| Micksa | but, I guess you had fun | 09:39 |
| fabbione | Micksa: probably you miss a point | 09:39 |
| fabbione | it's sunday... it's weekend.. i am not even going to ssh to people to grep :) | 09:40 |
| Micksa | I sure am a whiny bitch huh | 09:40 |
| fabbione | that too :) | 09:40 |
| fabbione | and it doesn't make you gaining any point in here | 09:41 |
| Micksa | that's not fair | 09:41 |
| Micksa | this is me! | 09:41 |
| Micksa | well sorta. | 09:41 |
| fabbione | whining doesn't make you gain point | 09:41 |
| Micksa | I just like to play the whiny bitch every now and then for fun | 09:41 |
| fabbione | indipendently who you are :) | 09:41 |
| Micksa | I have to hold myself back if I'm not considered a regular. | 09:41 |
| Micksa | It's no fun. | 09:41 |
| fabbione | Micksa: you can have fun without being a bitch :) | 09:42 |
| fabbione | but clearly that depends on the kind of fun you like | 09:42 |
| fabbione | "slap me! i am your bitch!" <- we do NOT need/want to know :P | 09:43 |
| Micksa | >:) | 09:43 |
| Micksa | I tend to be the one doing the slapping | 09:43 |
| Micksa | which of course helps to increase my popularity | 09:43 |
| Micksa | gotta go, back laterish | 09:48 |
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| Micksa | boing boing boing | 09:59 |
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| fabbione | Mithrandir, smurfix: ping? | 11:22 |
| fabbione | Linux trider-g7 2.4.30-xen0 #4 Sun Jun 12 10:56:56 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux | 11:23 |
| fabbione | :) | 11:23 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: yaypong. :-) | 12:05 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: did you finish with Uni? | 12:08 |
| Mithrandir | yeah, handed in my thesis friday. So I'm freeeeeeeeeeee now | 12:09 |
| fabbione | ahah cool! | 12:09 |
| Mithrandir | that's a 2.4 kernel, though? | 12:11 |
| fabbione | yes | 12:11 |
| fabbione | i can't run 2.6 on that box yet | 12:11 |
| Mithrandir | oh, ok. | 12:11 |
| Mithrandir | anyhow, you got this stuff in arch? | 12:11 |
| fabbione | uh? | 12:12 |
| fabbione | i am just using upstream | 12:12 |
| fabbione | manual patch /build | 12:12 |
| Mithrandir | ok | 12:12 |
| fabbione | but there is an issue building the xenU kernel | 12:12 |
| fabbione | so i need to see if i can boot a subdomain with the domain0 kernel | 12:12 |
| fabbione | in theory is the same | 12:12 |
| Mithrandir | what's the problem building the xenU kernel? | 12:12 |
| fabbione | it's an unreferenced call to something | 12:13 |
| fabbione | linking error basically | 12:13 |
| Mithrandir | hm | 12:13 |
| fabbione | arch/xen/drivers/netif/drv.o(.text+0x37ec): In function `netif_connect': | 12:14 |
| fabbione | : undefined reference to `direct_remap_area_pages' | 12:14 |
| fabbione | so i need to understand why is missing | 12:14 |
| fabbione | probably i just miscompiled it | 12:15 |
| fabbione | i forgot that 2.4 is a bit behind with kbuild | 12:15 |
| fabbione | hmm no | 12:26 |
| fabbione | nothing to do with compilation | 12:26 |
| fabbione | crap | 12:26 |
| fabbione | ah hmmm | 12:42 |
| fabbione | stupi config error i think | 12:43 |
| fabbione | ah there it is :) | 12:59 |
| fabbione | fixed | 01:00 |
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| fabbione | ok perfect... | 02:47 |
| fabbione | xenU boots :) | 02:47 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: whatever xen config you are going to do.. remember to disable devfs :) | 02:48 |
| Mithrandir | heh, ok. | 02:48 |
| Mithrandir | hmf. Sourcepuller doesn't work with bkbits, apparently. | 03:01 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: you've just pulled the regular stable xen version rather than messing with bk, right? | 03:18 |
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| (fabbione/#ubuntu-kernel) freenode should die | 05:32 | |
| Mithrandir | we could start by switching to another network ourselves. :-P | 05:33 |
| fabbione | actually that's an idea | 05:35 |
| Micksa | okay, so I'm trying to compile a patched kernel | 06:10 |
| Micksa | using the linux-source package works, except firmware doesn't get compiled in | 06:10 |
| Micksa | so like, how should I compile from the *real* source for just the one subarch? | 06:11 |
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| mjg59 | Micksa: Cool. What did you add? | 06:30 |
| Micksa | hi | 06:31 |
| Micksa | the pcie patch you pointed me at fixed the graphics problem | 06:32 |
| mjg59 | Cool | 06:33 |
| mjg59 | Can you feed that to fabbione? | 06:33 |
| Micksa | now I just have to put it all together | 06:33 |
| Micksa | haha | 06:33 |
| Micksa | no | 06:33 |
| Micksa | he hates me | 06:33 |
| Micksa | *chuckles* | 06:34 |
| Micksa | what does he need, just an email saying "these patches fix these problems with the i6000"? | 06:34 |
| mjg59 | Yeah, but he won't apply the SATA one yet | 06:38 |
| fabbione | no because upstream said that the patch is broken | 06:46 |
| fabbione | also is this pcie patch upstream already? | 06:46 |
| Micksa | *shrug* | 06:46 |
| mjg59 | I don't believe so, no | 06:50 |
| mjg59 | It only appeared last week | 06:50 |
| fabbione | mjg59: so let's wait before we start pulling too many patches from different places | 06:51 |
| fabbione | i would like to get to 2.6.12 final first | 06:51 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: I'd prefer to have a kernel that we can actually expect to work on laptops | 06:51 |
| mjg59 | We've no idea how long 2.6.12 final is going to be, but we *need* a kernel that can be used for laptop testing | 06:51 |
| fabbione | mjg59: .12 should be out pretty soon according to linus | 06:52 |
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| fabbione | mjg59: with this "pull in all patches from everywhere" we fucked up hoary badly | 06:53 |
| fabbione | specially for 2 SATA controllers | 06:53 |
| fabbione | thanks god they are not used in the installer | 06:53 |
| Micksa | does it fry them? 8) | 06:54 |
| fabbione | and we will need to do soon a point release | 06:54 |
| fabbione | so for breezy we are going to be a bit more careful | 06:54 |
| fabbione | i trust your acpi crack | 06:54 |
| fabbione | but i don't want to end up like hoary | 06:54 |
| fabbione | Micksa: data loss | 06:54 |
| Micksa | aw, that's no fun | 06:54 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: How soon is "pretty soon"? | 06:54 |
| fabbione | mjg59: max a week | 06:55 |
| mjg59 | We need to start this stuff within the next couple of weeks | 06:55 |
| mjg59 | Ok, cool | 06:55 |
| fabbione | mjg59: .12 is not even in main | 06:55 |
| fabbione | so you can start whenever you want | 06:55 |
| mjg59 | Uhm | 06:55 |
| fabbione | push the crack to people | 06:55 |
| Micksa | it's really cool seeing an announcement from _A_ saying "don't use kernel x if you have device y, it'll fry it. no, really." | 06:55 |
| fabbione | and have fun :) | 06:55 |
| mjg59 | I can't ask people to build their own kernels from scratch. They're not all going to be competent to | 06:55 |
| Micksa | haha | 06:55 |
| Micksa | what about a laptop-test kernel? | 06:56 |
| mjg59 | Yeah, that might be an idea | 06:56 |
| fabbione | mjg59: if you prefer to handle your own kernel for testing go ahead | 06:56 |
| Micksa | "this kernel might make your laptop work. also, it might cause it to explode." | 06:56 |
| Micksa | "we don't know." | 06:56 |
| fabbione | right now i am not too happy to push more than required | 06:56 |
| mjg59 | Ok, fair enough | 06:57 |
| fabbione | specially because there is still hell of a lot of work to do to move .12 in main | 06:57 |
| fabbione | mjg59: anyway.. it's sunday and we are talking about work | 06:58 |
| Micksa | heh | 06:58 |
| fabbione | me not happy very much work weekend | 06:58 |
| Micksa | just hit monday here :) | 06:58 |
| mjg59 | Heh | 06:58 |
| fabbione | mjg59: let's talk about it tomorrow | 06:58 |
| mjg59 | Yup, that's no problem | 06:58 |
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| zul | heylo | 07:45 |
| zul | oi...its so freaking hot | 07:50 |
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| zul | hey fabbione | 08:54 |
| fabbione | hey zul | 09:43 |
| fabbione | lamont: ping?? | 10:29 |
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