[12:38] <tseng> who was complaining about the muine tray icon
[12:38] <tseng> Amaranth?
[12:38] <Amaranth> hi
[12:39] <tseng> was that you?
[12:39] <Amaranth> yeah
[12:39] <tseng> yeah
[12:39] <tseng> i fixed it :D
[12:39] <tseng> and
[12:39] <tseng> added the inotify plugin
[12:39] <Amaranth> yay!
[12:39] <tseng> double yay
[12:39] <Amaranth> yay!
[12:39] <tseng> man
[12:39] <tseng> i cant wait for dbus now
[12:39] <Amaranth> you're awesome
[12:39] <tseng> *G*
[12:39] <tseng> the next upload will be so hardcore
[12:40] <DanielN> hm.. i know it's late already, but i have a question about understanding the cxx trans process
[12:44] <whiprush> hey tseng. How are you going to package muine plugins?
[12:44] <whiprush> independently or as one package?
[12:44] <tseng> whiprush: inotify has to be part of muine for now
[12:45] <tseng> whiprush: and its probably going to be merged upstream like that
[12:45] <whiprush> I hope so.
[12:45] <tseng> the other ones will be their own package
[12:45] <tseng> like muine-ipod
[12:45] <whiprush> k
[12:45] <tseng> and audioscrobbler
[12:45] <tseng> i love that one too
[12:45] <whiprush> dude, ruffle is so <3
[12:45] <tseng> dude
[12:45] <tseng> ruffle needs a fucking patch, right?
[12:46] <whiprush> no, just .8.3
[12:46] <whiprush> the one not in hoary.
[12:46] <tseng> oh yeah?
[12:46] <whiprush> yeah
[12:46] <whiprush> all it needs is the newest muine
[12:46] <tseng> hm ill try it now
[12:46] <tseng> we'll need a meta package
[12:46] <tseng> tsengs-sweet-muine-love
[12:46] <whiprush> when your queue runs out it'll plop in 10 more songs according to the weights you give it.
[12:46] <tseng> to install them all.
[12:47] <whiprush> the audioscrobbler weight generates your playlist based on your audioscrobbler profile.
[12:47] <whiprush> it's ninja
[12:47] <tseng> oh no shit
[12:47] <whiprush> yeah
[12:47] <tseng> <3 audioscrobbler
[12:47] <whiprush> and you can slide a slider "more randomness" or "more songs that I like alot".
[12:48] <tseng> hm that was too easy
[12:48] <tseng> i tried this thing a few months ago
[12:48] <tseng> and it was hard
[12:48] <whiprush> yeah it sucked until recently
[12:49] <tseng> so um
[12:49] <tseng> oh i need to import
[12:50] <whiprush> yeah
[12:50] <whiprush> takes a bit
[12:50] <whiprush> but worth it
[12:50] <tseng> does it know wheni skip things
[12:50] <whiprush> yeah
[12:50] <tseng> k.
[12:50] <tseng> man
[12:51] <tseng> i can be a bigger muine elitist bastard than ever before
[12:51] <whiprush> heh
[12:53] <tseng> this is brillaint.
[12:53] <Amaranth> tseng: nice
[12:53] <whiprush> yeah it's awesome.
[12:53] <whiprush> take that amarok!
[12:55] <Amaranth> is audioscrobbler built into this package?
[12:55] <whiprush> it's built into amarok.
[12:55] <whiprush> muine has a plugin
[12:55] <tseng> Amaranth: no
[12:55] <tseng> but i am thinking of packaging the following sweetness:
[12:55] <Amaranth> eek, it made two tray icons
[12:55] <tseng> ascrobbler, ruffle, muine-burn, muine-ipod
[12:55] <Amaranth> oh, because i have my own plugin installed too
[12:55] <tseng> eh?
[12:55] <tseng> oh
[12:56] <whiprush> a muine-plugins metapackage would be nice too
[12:56] <tseng> i said that
[12:56] <whiprush> oh
[12:56] <Amaranth> doesn't muine-ipod need libfaad?
[12:56] <tseng> hrm no?
[12:56] <tseng> if you want aac i guess
[12:56] <whiprush> I think it just talks to gstreamer
[12:56] <Amaranth> oh, just gstreamer-faad (and libfaad through that)
[12:56] <tseng> i tried to package muine-aac
[12:57] <tseng> but it didnt come out working
[12:57] <Amaranth> muine-aac? that's crack
[12:57] <tseng> and i cant split it up either
[12:57] <Amaranth> i've got aac files, they work fine
[12:57] <Amaranth> because gstreamer supports them
[12:57] <tseng> in muine?
[12:57] <tseng> no
[12:57] <tseng> it cant read the metadata
[12:57] <Amaranth> err
[12:57] <Amaranth> it doesn't use gstreamer for that?
[12:57] <tseng> no
[12:57] <tseng> not yet
[12:57] <tseng> gst# has no release
[12:57] <tseng> bbiab
[12:57] <Amaranth> oh, i guess it doesn't read them
[12:58] <Amaranth> i don't listen to them much
[12:58] <Amaranth> btw, sonance in cvs has it's won gst-sharp.dll
[12:58] <Amaranth> err, own
[03:37] <tseng> Amaranth: hm
[03:37] <tseng> Amaranth: yeah the probably rolled in the source since its too unstable to depend on cvs
[03:37] <Amaranth> yeah, so if he ever releases 0.4 it could be packaged :)
[03:38] <tseng> Amaranth: thats pretty shitty.
[03:38] <tseng> meebey wants to package it
[03:39] <Amaranth> if he dropped the goofy images sonance would look nice
[03:39] <Amaranth> http://sonance.aaronbock.net/screenshots/0.4-teaser/sonance-0.4-teaser.png
[03:39] <tseng> it would look like rythmbox with less sucking
[03:39] <Amaranth> the music notes and the msn messenger people, i mean
[03:39] <Amaranth> hey, rhythmbox 0.9 before the end of this month
[03:39] <tseng> im not sure why I care
[03:39] <tseng> besides playbin
[03:39] <tseng> which isnt in yet
[03:40] <Amaranth> audio cd burning and tag editing
[03:40] <tseng> yawn
[03:40] <tseng> (muine has plugins for both)
[03:40] <Amaranth> not in ubuntu it doesn't :)
[03:40] <tseng> dude
[03:40] <tseng> they couldnt get any easier to install
[03:40] <Amaranth> i know, it's just fun poking you :D
[03:41] <Amaranth> no offense
[03:42] <tseng> yeah thats fine
[03:42] <tseng> im easy to troll
[03:42] <tseng> did you try out the inotify love?
[03:43] <Amaranth> i don't know how
[03:43] <tseng> oh
[03:43] <Amaranth> drop a new file in ~/Music and it automatically shows up?
[03:43] <Amaranth> take one out and it goes away?
[03:43] <tseng> just dump new music into your watched folder
[03:43] <tseng> whatever is in the muine gconf key
[03:43] <tseng> as watched_folders
[03:43] <tseng> its totally rad
[03:44] <Amaranth> taking things out doesn't work
[03:44] <tseng> hm
[03:44] <tseng> we can make that a feature request
[03:44] <tseng> adding is way cooler
[03:44] <Amaranth> i have nothing to add
[03:44] <tseng> :(
[03:45] <Amaranth> Error loading plug-in InotifyPlugin.dll: /home/travis/Desktop/drivel-2.0.0/~/Music
[03:45] <Amaranth> whoops
[03:45] <Amaranth> oh, it's a bug in the gconf key
[03:45] <tseng> hm
[03:46] <Amaranth> wow, it worked
[03:46] <tseng> yeah I hate the Status window in Sonance
[03:46] <Amaranth> i just had to remove ~/Music from my watched dirs (i already had /home/travis/Music/)
[03:46] <tseng> it has like 30 widgets all showing progress
[03:46] <tseng> a spinner, a progress bar, a text widget
[03:47] <Amaranth> this is so cool
[03:47] <tseng> and you can hide some of them to make the tiny window smaller
[03:47] <tseng> yeah it is.. do you have Ruffle?
[03:48] <Amaranth> nope
[03:49] <Amaranth> gimme a dll? :)
[03:49] <tseng> dude its easy
[03:49] <tseng> get the tarball of the muine plugins page
[03:49] <tseng> make; make install
[03:49] <tseng> then go to ruffle - prefs - synchronize
[03:50] <tseng> and you can start building cool random playlists
[03:50] <Amaranth> um, i can't find a tarball for the plugins
[03:50] <tseng> http://www.informatics.sussex.ac.uk/users/mrm21/ruffle/ruffle-0.3.0b2.tar.gz
[03:51] <Amaranth> oh, you meant for just ruffle
[03:51] <Amaranth> i was looking for a tarball of all of them :)
[03:51] <tseng> no.
[03:54] <Amaranth> yay, it stopped halfway through reading tag info
[03:54] <tseng> yay
[03:54] <Amaranth> probably on the same file easytag and tagtool segfault on
[03:55] <tseng> sounds right
[03:55] <tseng> they all use the same libraries
[03:55] <Amaranth> yep
[03:56] <Amaranth> Unhandled Exception: System.Exception: Don't know how to deal with this version.in <0x0005f> Muine.Ruffle.ID3v2:ReadFrameLength () in <0x00081> Muine.Ruffle.ID3v2:ReadHeader () in <0x00113> Muine.Ruffle.ID3v2:Read () in <0x00035> Muine.Ruffle.MP3Reader:Read () in <0x00020> Muine.Ruffle.TagReader:Read () in <0x00374> Muine.Ruffle.RuffleWindow:LoadFileInfo () in (wrapper delegate-invoke) System.MulticastDelegate:invoke_void ()
[03:56] <Amaranth> way to catch those exceptions ruffle!
[04:03] <Amaranth> fixed that..
[05:26] <HostingGeek> clustered resource group manager
[05:26] <HostingGeek> yeah yeah yeah we miss a description!
[05:27] <HostingGeek> Nice one
[05:55] <chillywilly> wow, they fianlly released sarge...I didn't even notice that
[05:55] <chillywilly> only took 3 years
[05:55] <chillywilly> ;P
[05:58] <HostingGeek> chillywilly: your old
[05:58] <HostingGeek> it happened when it was meant to happen
[05:59] <HostingGeek> on the 6th
[05:59] <HostingGeek> with one last min dalay
[05:59] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: you'll love these screenshots i have
[05:59] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: http://dev.realistanew.com/compare.png http://dev.realistanew.com/compare2.png
[05:59] <Amaranth> smeg and gmenu-simple-editor/smeg and gnome-menu-editor
[06:01] <HostingGeek> FAKE!
[06:02] <HostingGeek> Photoshoped!
[06:02] <HostingGeek> :P
[06:02] <HostingGeek> Gimped!
[06:04] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: why does everything come late?
[06:04] <HostingGeek> When we needed menu editors we had none
[06:04] <chillywilly> in 3 years time Ubuntu will have 6 releases...
[06:04] <Amaranth> sure we did
[06:04] <HostingGeek> When we get a menu editor we get 4
[06:04] <Amaranth> smeg 0.1 was out about a month after 2.10 was released
[06:04] <HostingGeek> Amaranth: yea xfce's
[06:04] <Amaranth> it's really coming into it's prime now though
[06:04] <HostingGeek> AFTER
[06:05] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: I didn't know what was going on with the menus in 2.9, otherwise I would have started sooner. :)
[06:07] <HostingGeek> " Welcome to Amaranth Networks, Inc. Amaranth Networks was founded in 1998. Our company provides software and network consulting services to small and mid-sized businesses."
[06:07] <HostingGeek> 0.o
[06:07] <Amaranth> not me
[06:08] <Amaranth> I'd write "Welcome to Amaranth Networks, Inc. Founded in 1998, our company provides software and network consulting services to small and mid-sized businesses."
[06:08] <Amaranth> because i, like, know english and stuff
[06:31] <HostingGeek>  small and mid-sized businesses."
 because i, like, know english and stuff
[06:31] <HostingGeek> OOOOOOOOOOOps
[06:32] <Amaranth> hehe
[06:32] <Amaranth> i copied their typo
[06:32] <Amaranth> and the other line was supposed to be funny
[08:53] <Amaranth> are things just not getting updated lately or are the buildds stuck on trying to compile java and mono things?
[09:30] <aiw> hi
[09:31] <ivoks> hi
[09:31] <ivoks> this is a place where universe is made
[09:31] <aiw> i would be glad to help, in whatever limited way my meager skills allow
[09:32] <ivoks> you are good for start
[09:32] <aiw> i read about 'masters of the universe' on the slashdot interview with mark shuttleworth
[09:32] <ivoks> better then me when i started
[09:32] <aiw> :-) i am sure you are too kind
[09:33] <ivoks> trust me :)
[09:33] <ivoks> aiw: you just have to read couple of things
[09:33] <aiw> well, the build finished, now i have a bunch of .debs!
[09:33] <aiw> sure, i like to read
[09:33] <ivoks> http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[09:34] <ivoks> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU
[09:39] <aiw> ok, i will work on those, what's next?
[09:40] <ivoks> get familliar with packaging
[09:40] <ivoks> and hang out here
[09:40] <ivoks> you will learn a lot
[09:40] <ivoks> then you can apply for member, and eventually for MOTU
[09:41] <aiw> cool, how long have you been working on ubuntu?
[09:43] <ivoks> a month :)
[09:45] <aiw> well, you have moved right along then
[09:45] <aiw> well, imap now works again!, but squirrelmail is broken
[09:46] <ivoks> squirrelmail?
[09:46] <ivoks> squirrelmail works great with imap
[09:46] <ivoks> i have couple of installations
[09:47] <aiw> i have been using it for years, and love it, it was working until i id the sarge upgrade this evening
[09:47] <ivoks> aiw: you have to reconfigure it
[09:47] <ivoks> to use IMAP
[09:48] <aiw> ivoks: it has always been configured to use imap,
[09:48] <ivoks> i have this: Maildir | pop3/imap | mail apps (squirellmail, mutt, evolution)
[09:48] <aiw> i run qmail, vpopmail for vitrual domains, and squirrelmail/courier-imap
[09:48] <ivoks> i like postfix :)
[09:49] <aiw> ivoks: this server has a few dozen domains on it
[09:49] <ivoks> aiw there is some squirelmail-configure tools
[09:49] <aiw> qmail has been wonderful, but it isn't supported at al under debian, so i am considering changing to something supported by debian
[09:50] <ivoks> debian is pushing exim...
[09:50] <ivoks> i prefere postfix
[09:51] <ivoks> well... time to go...
[09:51] <whiprush> aiw: you want postfix dude.
[09:51] <aiw> ivoks: thanks for all your help, i learned alot
[09:51] <ivoks> np
[09:52] <whiprush> if you look in /etc/squirrelmail there's a configure perl script.
[09:52] <whiprush> run that, fill in the stuff, and sqmail should work great
[09:52] <aiw> whiprush: is there a way to migrate all my mail accounts from vpopmail to whatever does virtual domains under postfix?
[09:53] <whiprush> hard question.
[09:53] <whiprush> how do you store your mail on your server?
[09:53] <whiprush> maildirs, mbox?
[09:53] <ivoks> maildir rulz :)
[09:54] <aiw> maildirs
[09:54] <aiw> it's a qmail installation
[09:55] <ivoks> maildir is qmail invention :)
[09:55] <aiw> qmail has been rock solid for something like 7 years now, migrated through several servers, redhat, suse, debian
[09:55] <aiw> that dan berstein must be one smart guy
[09:55] <whiprush> all you should need to do is tell postfix to deliver to those maildirs.
[09:55] <ivoks> yeah
[09:56] <ivoks> and, change login.defs
[09:56] <ivoks> and pam.d/login
[09:56] <ivoks> and pam.d/su
[09:56] <ivoks> :)
[09:56] <ivoks> ssh too
[09:56] <whiprush> on my system it's home_mailbox = ~/Maildir in /etc/postix/main.cf
[09:57] <aiw> how will i get all the domains/accounts/passwords into postfix? I have been using vpopmail for virtual mail domains
[09:57] <aiw> there are no local accounts, everyone is virtual
[09:57] <whiprush> you'd have to recreate those for postfix.
[09:57] <whiprush> I've never used virtual users though
[09:57] <whiprush> so I have no idea.
[09:57] <aiw> yikes, there are hundreds, or thousands
[09:58] <whiprush> I have the postfix book, but it's at work so I can't look that up for you at the moment
[09:58] <schweeb> there's documentation on it
[09:58] <schweeb> at postfix's site
[09:58] <aiw> i will take alook
[09:59] <aiw> the config to make qmail work under debian is torturous
[11:45] <\sh> mornin
[02:48] <tseng> great flame bait on osnews today
[02:48] <tseng> "time to get smart"
[03:22] <ivoks> hi MOTUs
[03:22] <tseng> hi.
[03:25] <ivoks> anything new on brave packageing frontier? :)
[03:25] <tseng> yes, the next muine upload will rock
[03:25] <ivoks> rock on! :)
[03:26] <tseng> inotify++
[03:26] <ivoks> what about rhythmbox?
[03:26] <tseng> who cares
[03:26] <ivoks> :))
[03:26] <tseng> no, i just tried to build it from cvs
[03:26] <tseng> i cant
[03:27] <ivoks> opencv is giving me kopfsmerz
[03:28] <ivoks> there was version 0.9.6 in sid
[03:28] <ivoks> i packaged it for ubuntu, it's FTBS
[03:28] <ivoks> and now there is 0.9.5 in sid
[03:28] <ivoks> i guess they have same problems :)
[03:30] <tseng> headache?
[03:30] <ivoks> yeah, headache
[03:30] <tseng> ive never heard "smerz"
[03:31] <DanielN> schmertz :)
[03:31] <ivoks> i couldn't remeber spelling in english
[03:31] <ivoks> lol, german spelling was bad either :)
[03:31] <DanielN> ;)
[03:31] <ivoks> kopfschmertz
[03:31] <DanielN> argh
[03:31] <DanielN> sorry
[03:31] <DanielN> kopschmerz
[03:31] <DanielN> without t
[03:31] <ivoks> oh, ok
[03:31] <DanielN> :)
[03:31] <ivoks> ja, ja... :)
[03:32] <DanielN> ah, ivoks: when needs still a third reviewer ;>
[03:32] <ivoks> lol
[03:32] <ivoks> ok...
[03:32] <DanielN> hihi
[03:32] <DanielN> hurry up, ivoks :P
[03:33] <ivoks> take it easy...
[03:34] <ivoks> i have one package there that was before you, and it still isn't reviewed :(
[03:36] <ivoks> HTTP request sent, awaiting response...
[03:36] <ivoks> lol, big package :)
[03:37] <ivoks> This package was debianized by Daniel Neuenschwander - that's a lie :)
[03:37] <DanielN> ivoks: lol, cool down.. i wouldn't stress you up ;)
[03:38] <DanielN> ivoks: huh?
[03:38] <ivoks> debian-stuff/ is from upstream
[03:38] <ivoks> it has everything in it :)
[03:39] <DanielN> yeah
[03:39] <DanielN> i know that
[03:39] <ivoks> install --mode=755 temp /tmp/when-1.0.23/debian/when/usr/bin/when
[03:39] <ivoks> ?
[03:39] <ivoks> ah... ok :)
[03:39] <DanielN> :)
[03:40] <ivoks> looks ok
[03:41] <DanielN> cool
[03:42] <ivoks> ok, it get's my approval
[03:42] <DanielN> woho.. thanks
[03:42] <DanielN> :>
[03:43] <ivoks> i can't upload it
[03:43] <ivoks> but, hey, you'll get my vote
[03:44] <DanielN> ivoks: ah, right you're not MOTU yet
[03:45] <DanielN> :)
[03:45] <ivoks> i am, but... doh...
[03:45] <ivoks> still don't have upload account
[03:45] <DanielN> ;(
[03:45] <DanielN> hehe
[03:47] <ivoks> there, are you happy now? :)
[03:57] <tseng> wth cant i make new folders in gconf-editor
[03:59] <ivoks> doh... time to go...
[03:59] <ivoks> see you!
[04:10] <tseng> so should i name muine plugins packages like
[04:10] <tseng> muine-ipod, or muine-plugins-ipod
[04:15] <DanielN> i've got a question about the cxx transition
[04:15] <ogra> muine-ipod-support ?
[04:15] <DanielN> is the debdiff all i have to provide?
[04:16] <ogra> yes, attach it to the bug...
[04:16] <DanielN> yeah, i'm doing it like that. but is that all? no source package in anyway?
[04:18] <ogra> the debdiff is enough
[04:19] <DanielN> cool :)
[04:37] <DanielN> arghl, the session handling of the ubuntulinux.org wiki is silly :/
[05:02] <abarbaccia> hahah - i love the topic - every time i come back to see how people are doing theres something new to NOT complain about for 2 weeks
[05:19] <DanielN> \sh: ping :)
[05:43] <tseng> oh man that looks awful
[05:43] <tseng> selecting multiple albums in a row in muine with new clearlooks gradient stuff
[05:43] <|QuaD-_> whats clearlooks?
[05:47] <tseng> the default gtk theme in ubuntu?
[05:48] <|QuaD-_> oh, lol
[06:05] <\sh> re
[07:07] <DanielN> \sh: ping
[07:10] <\sh> DanielN: pong
[07:11] <\sh> anybodies coming to the "World Youth Day 2005 in Cologne"?
[07:11] <\sh> hmmm
[07:11] <\sh> right...is anybody coming ;)
[07:24] <\sh> DanielN: hrdb5?
[08:01] <siretart> hi folks!
[08:25] <siretart> mfgalizi: which package?
[08:28] <mfgalizi> siretart: libxvmcw
[08:29] <siretart> mfgalizi: I never heard about it. Is it a cxx transition, or just an updated or a NEW package?
[08:29] <siretart> mfgalizi: where can I look at the source?
[08:29] <mfgalizi> NEW
[08:29] <mfgalizi> unichrome.sf.net
[08:30] <siretart> mfgalizi: please add it to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUNewPackages then
[08:30] <mfgalizi> k...
[08:31] <siretart> mfgalizi: isn't there an ITP for debian ongoing for this lib?
[08:31] <mfgalizi> I didn't see one.
[08:31] <mfgalizi> I'll check again (that would be fantastic)
[08:31] <siretart> ah, now I see it
[08:32] <siretart> you requested sponsorship for it for debian, right?
[08:32] <mfgalizi> :)
[08:32] <mfgalizi> got nothing back though
[08:32] <siretart> mfgalizi: thats sad. perhaps you should ask in #debian-mentors. If it gets included in debian, we will sync it automatically to ubuntu
[08:33] <mfgalizi> ok
[08:33] <mfgalizi> ty
[08:33] <siretart> mfgalizi: and you really should file an ITP against WNPP
[08:33] <Burgundavia> siretart, did you get anywhere the the glest package?
[08:34] <siretart> Burgundavia: sorry
[08:39] <Burgundavia> np
[08:39] <Burgundavia> the cxx transition is more important
[09:26] <ivoks> hi all
[09:42] <ivoks> YEAH!
[09:42] <ivoks> it compiles
[09:43] <Mithrandir> SHIP IT!
[09:43] <Mithrandir> :-)
[09:43] <ivoks> Mithrandir: time to test it on amd64
[09:44] <ivoks> Mithrandir: lesstif2-dev tk8.4-dev tcl8.4-dev libxaw7-dev (please) :)
[09:45] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: doesn't that amd64 thingie have pbuilder? :-P
[09:46] <Mithrandir> ivoks: done.
[09:46] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: pbuilder is Arch: all
[09:46] <ivoks> thanks
[09:47] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: hmm, never mind me. I forgot to think.
[09:47] <siretart> ivoks: remember our gmx / webdav discussion? I just found this one: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153054
[09:49] <ivoks> siretart: gmx returns wrong error
[09:49] <ivoks> siretart: instead of noauth error
[09:49] <ivoks> siretart: it returns no such dir
[09:50] <ivoks> that's the problem...
[09:50] <ivoks> when nautilus revices no such dir, it quits connection
[09:51] <ivoks> well... in gnome they know that problem
[09:52] <ivoks> so they will find workaround
[10:14] <ivoks> Mithrandir: :)
[10:14] <ivoks> Mithrandir: libraw1394-dev libdc1394-13-dev libgtk2.0-dev
[10:21] <siretart> w000h000. the new source package format of the dpkg 1.13 branch really ROCKS!
[10:29] <ivoks> doko: ping
[10:29] <doko> pong
[10:29] <ivoks> doko: opencv can be build against ffmpeg
[10:29] <ivoks> should i do that, or leave package as is
[10:30] <ivoks> (not compiled with ffmpeg support)
[10:30] <doko> hmm, Is this necessary?
[10:30] <ivoks> no
[10:30] <ivoks> it's an option
[10:30] <ivoks> i guess it wasn't included
[10:30] <ivoks> cause ffmpeg wasn't in debian
[10:30] <doko> are there license issues, i.e. are you allowed to link it?
[10:30] <ivoks> now it is.
[10:31] <ivoks> ffmpeg is GPL
[10:32] <ivoks> acording to /usr/share/doc/ffmpeg/copyright
[10:37] <siretart> I remember jvw talking about patent issus under consideration for ffmpeg in debian on some list
[10:37] <siretart> I don't have references, though..
[10:37] <doko> ivoks: well, do it, put a separate patch int the archive and point Debian to it
[10:37] <ivoks> doko: ok
[10:38] <doko> ivoks: or ask jvm first ... ;-)
[10:39] <ivoks> first, i have to build it with or without ffmpeg on amd64 :)
[10:41] <ivoks> yuhu! builded
[10:46] <ivoks> doko: well, there is no patch for ffmpeg support
[10:47] <ivoks> doko: only change in debian/control (added libavcodec-dev as dependecy)
[10:51] <doko> ivoks: that is a patch :)
[10:51] <ivoks> :))
[10:51] <ivoks> ah, allright...
[10:56] <Mithrandir> ivoks: done
[10:56] <ivoks> thanks :)
[11:05] <ivoks> Mithrandir: and libavcodec-dev :)
[11:05] <ivoks> Mithrandir: sorry :(
[11:13] <Mithrandir> ivoks: done
[11:14] <ivoks> you are so sweet :)
[11:16] <ivoks> uh...
[11:16] <ivoks> opencv is finally ok
[11:17] <ivoks> next target... openscenegraph
[11:28] <dooglus> package libcurses-perl doesn't contain anything but documentation any more.  is that a bug?
[11:30] <ivoks> dooglus: does it depend on other packages?
[11:31] <dooglus> ivoks: Depends: perl
[11:32] <dooglus> ivoks: libcurses-perl_1.08b-1_i386.deb contained a .so, a .bs and a .pm
[11:32] <dooglus> ivoks: but libcurses-perl_1.12-1_i386.deb is missing all 3 of those
[11:32] <dooglus> ivoks: is there somewhere I can see the history of the package, to see if the change was deliberate or accidental?  like a CVS log, or something?
[11:34] <ivoks> hm...
[11:34] <ivoks>  /usr/share/doc/libcurses-perl/changelog.Debian.gz
[11:34] <dooglus> I see /usr/share/doc/libcurses-perl/changelog.Debian.gz - but that doesn't tell me much.  the last change was "  * New upstream release"
[11:35] <ivoks> check tja\\hat
[11:35] <ivoks> dooglus: contact maintainer
[11:35] <dooglus> ivoks: contact maintainer, or raise a bug in the bug system?
[11:36] <dooglus> Maintainer: Jay Bonci <jaybonci@debian.org> -- is that who you mean?  Or would there be a Ubuntu guy?
[11:37] <ivoks> file a bug report
[11:37] <ivoks> i'm off to bed
[11:37] <ivoks> by all
[11:58] <tseng> hi
[12:00] <Nafallo> hi tseng :-)
[12:01] <tseng> whats up