[12:14] <fir3> Hi all
[12:14] <kalenedrael> hello
[12:14] <fir3> I need some help with my DVD drive...
[12:14] <seth_k> ask away
[12:15] <fir3> ...its not recognised by the kernel
[12:15] <fir3> "/dev/hdc" is missing
[12:16] <kalenedrael> 1) are you sure it's /dev/hdc?
[12:16] <fir3> yes and the jumpers are set correctly
[12:16] <kalenedrael> ok
[12:16] <fir3> dmesg: NFORCE3-250: BIOS didn't set cable bits correctly. Enabling workaround.
[12:16] <kalenedrael> hm
[12:17] <fir3> strange isn't it?
[12:19] <fir3> dmesg: ide1: Wait for ready failed before probe !
[12:19] <ijuz> did you jumper it master or cs?
[12:20] <fir3> master
[12:20] <ijuz> so retry with cs
[12:20] <fir3> for both drives?
[12:21] <ijuz> i has allready such odd things, it may help
[12:21] <ijuz> probably also the cable is trash
[12:22] <fir3> well, maybe, but I really hate to say that: it works on windoze
[12:24] <ijuz> yes, unfortunally ide is a fpos with the documentation the same
[12:25] <ijuz> oh, one thing
[12:25] <ijuz> is the master at the end of the cable?
[12:25] <seth_k> yes
[12:25] <seth_k> slave in middle
[12:25] <ijuz> (it should be this way)
[12:25] <fir3> yes
[12:26] <fir3> what is fpos?
[12:26] <ijuz> fucking piece of shit
[12:26] <fir3> okay
[12:26] <fir3> it really is!
[12:26] <fir3> at least as long as it don't wirk
[12:28] <fir3> I guess I'll really have to try another cable...
[12:28] <fir3> sick of trying now
[12:28] <fir3> thank you guys
[12:34] <tibal> hi !
[12:35] <tibal> is it possible to disable the passphrase ask in Kmail on gpg signed mail sending ?
[12:36] <tibal> i know it's unsecure... but only localy so what about typing a 35 caracters pass everyday
[12:40] <seth_k> tibal, not directly
[12:40] <seth_k> tibal, see http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_KMail_gpg-agent_kde
[12:40] <seth_k> gpg-agent is your answer
[12:40] <tibal> seth_k: tx i read it
[12:43] <tibal> seth_k: is it necessary to create ~/.kde3.3/env ? will ~/.kde/env work since i don't have any ~/.kde3.3/ ?
[12:43] <seth_k> tibal, that's a gentoo wiki, so yeah i'd adopt it for Kubuntu
[12:44] <tibal> seth_k: yes
[12:46] <tibal> bye
[12:46] <seth_k> you're welcome *sigh*
[01:09] <Tm_T> phuoh
[01:35] <_freak> hi all.
[01:37] <seth_k> hi
[01:38] <_freak> stupid question.  Is LINUX pronounced with a long i like the i in line or with a short i like the i in linen?
[01:41] <seth_k> linen
[01:42] <quickbrownfox> folks. kubunto install freezes at "setting up xlibs"
[01:42] <quickbrownfox> and on boot it freezes at "sysenter_past_esp"
[01:42] <quickbrownfox> any ideas?
[01:43] <KaiL_> something is broken with a your disk or b your system
[01:43] <KaiL_> or c both *g*
[01:43] <Mez> _freak, actualluy, line... not linen... :D
[01:43] <seth_k> Mez, it's not a long I O_O
[01:44] <_freak> uh oh.
[01:44] <Mez> seth_k, 
[01:44] <Mez> LINUS
[01:44] <seth_k> it's 'lih-nux', not 'liy-nux', unless you're a brit maybe :D
[01:44] <quickbrownfox> crap
[01:44] <KaiL_> seth_k: it is ;)
[01:44] <seth_k> I know, I know
[01:44] <Mez> pronounced same as the LINU in that
[01:45] <KaiL_> but Tm_T might know better, he speaks the same language as Linus ;)
[01:45] <seth_k> maybe it's a Missouri thing :D *everyone* I know uses hard I
[01:45] <_freak> I started a fight?
[01:45] <_freak> ;0
[01:45] <quickbrownfox> KaiL_: that's quite broad :/
[01:45] <_freak> so, it's soft i like linen?
[01:46] <seth_k> http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronunciation/
[01:46] <seth_k> decide for yourself
[01:46] <KaiL_> quickbrownfox: do you have stabillity issues on other systems?
[01:46] <quickbrownfox> KaiL_: no other systems to try it on
[01:46] <seth_k> does not sound like long I as in "drive" to me
[01:46] <quickbrownfox> KaiL_: i'm on a laptop btw
[01:47] <Tm_T> KaiL_: wha?
[01:47] <Mez> no _freak, it's pronounced LINE UK
[01:47] <Mez> UX*
[01:47] <Tm_T> eh
[01:47] <seth_k> Mez, that's not what that link says...
[01:47] <seth_k> listen to the file
[01:47] <Mez> link?
[01:47] <seth_k> http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronunciation/
[01:47] <Tm_T> it's Linux
[01:48] <seth_k> lol
[01:48] <seth_k> thanks, that helps :D
[01:48] <_freak> :)
[01:48] <Tm_T> =)
[01:48] <seth_k> the recording almost sounds like LEE NUX
[01:48] <Tm_T> seth_k: it's like "lenux" ;)
[01:48] <_freak> we don't need a third uption
[01:48] <_freak> option, too.
[01:48] <Tm_T> haha
[01:48] <seth_k> Tm_T: leenux or lenux?
[01:49] <Tm_T> seth_k: say "unix"
[01:49] <seth_k> Tm_T: lenux is a hard e, leenux is a long e
[01:49] <seth_k> yoo nix?
[01:49] <Tm_T> yes, same "i" in linux
[01:49] <seth_k> :D
[01:49] <seth_k> I was right then
[01:49] <Tm_T> yup
[01:50] <seth_k> :P j/k
[01:50] <Tm_T> we pronounce letters quite straight way
[01:50] <Mez> Tm_T, if there's linus torvalds,
[01:50] <Mez> promonuced line us
[01:50] <Mez> shoudldnt linux be line ux
[01:50] <Tm_T> hm
[01:50] <Tm_T> nnno
[01:51] <_freak> I guess it wasn't a stupid question
[01:51] <Tm_T> I pronounce linus and linux same way
 we pronounce letters quite straight way << or better: as most europeans, but not the english people do? ;)
[01:51] <Mez> lin us?
[01:51] <Mez> you dont promounce linus line us
[01:51] <quickbrownfox> i don't think there are direct comparisons between the vowel sounds in Linus and those of the english language
[01:51] <seth_k> I pronounce Linus with short I
[01:51] <sproingie> linus pronounces it "leenoos"
[01:51] <seth_k> leenus
[01:51] <seth_k> jah
[01:51] <Mez> o_O
[01:51] <Tm_T> yup
[01:51] <Mez> It's lineus!
[01:51] <Tm_T> haha
[01:52] <_freak> lol
[01:52] <Tm_T> US-Line!
[01:52] <Tm_T> err
[01:52] <quickbrownfox> that's looks like linears
[01:52] <KaiL_> the english "e" is somewhat similar spoken to others "i"
[01:52] <sproingie> damn furriner can't pronounce his own name ... they all need to learn 'merican and talk right
[01:52] <KaiL_> as in "english" ;)
[01:52] <Tm_T> KaiL_: yeah, somewhat
[01:52] <Mez> http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronunciation/torvalds-says-linux.wav
[01:52] <Mez> I cant hear that
[01:52] <Mez> but it's linus saying it
[01:52] <KaiL_> Mez: try the mp3
[01:53] <Tm_T> heh
[01:53] <_freak> the open source communtity today was brought to it's knees today.  The question  long or short i.
[01:53] <sproingie> you can't play a raw pcm wav?
[01:53] <Tm_T> short!
[01:53] <sproingie> chances are you can
[01:53] <Mez> well it;s taking ages :P
[01:53] <Tm_T> foooooood ;) ->
[01:53] <sproingie> _freak: that debate was over long ago, everyone pronounces it right now
[01:53] <sproingie> even the media
[01:54] <sproingie> personally i think he shoulda stuck with the old name: freax
[01:54] <_freak> that's easy.
[01:55] <KaiL_> sure? ;)
[01:55] <_freak> ok, here's a question.  Anybody else having trouble with the apt-get repostories today?
[01:55] <KaiL_> sproingie: the pronounciation is somewhat "obvious" for most european people
[01:56] <Tm_T> no vittu sanokaa lyhyt ii
[01:56] <Mez> _freak - read the topic
[01:56] <sproingie> damn yooros can't speak 'merican neither
[01:56] <Mez> We are currently experiencing problems with the US and CA Ubuntu Mirrors
[01:56] <Tm_T> and many other sites are "down" too
[01:56] <_freak> lol
[01:57] <Tm_T> like kde sites
[01:57] <_freak> Oh, that's what that meant.
[01:57] <sproingie> what the sam hell's going on?
[01:57] <_freak> lol
[01:57] <seth_k> Mez: US and CA mirror are the same machine
[01:57] <Mez> Seth - I know
[01:57] <_freak> thought it was some irc thingy.  I'm a newb and half.  Sorry.
[01:57] <Mez> I was quitoing the topic
[01:57] <KaiL_> one mirror for ~300Mio possible customers? ;)
[01:58] <Tm_T> ihme sakkia
[01:58] <Tm_T> uh!
[01:58] <Tm_T> rrock
[01:59] <penguinboy> what does motaboy have membership to?
[02:00] <Mez> he's ecome an ubuntu member
[02:00] <seth_k> he's a new Ubuntu Member
[02:01] <penguinboy> kewl
[02:01] <penguinboy> my name was never ont he topic line
[02:01] <penguinboy> sniff sniff
[02:02] <Tm_T> uliu
[02:02] <_freak> don't sniff too hard.  It's hot here.  I may stink.
[02:02] <penguinboy> lol
[02:03] <_freak> (there's no 'may' about it)
[02:03] <Tm_T> I know it too well
[02:04] <_freak> thanks for you help everyone.
[02:04] <quickbrownfox> buggery fuck. well i guess i just have to give up on kubuntu then
[02:04] <_freak> laterz.
[02:04] <_freak> quit
[02:04] <penguinboy> Welcome Jeramy...be careful....freakin's a stinkin'
[02:04] <_freak> lol
[02:04] <_freak> freaks a leavin.
[02:04] <_freak> :)
[02:04] <_freak> bye
[02:04] <_freak> quit
[02:04] <quickbrownfox> so far out of kubuntu, fc3 and suse, only suse has installed
[02:04] <penguinboy> bye Freak!
[02:04] <penguinboy> SuSE is always a good easy install
[02:05] <quickbrownfox> fc3 just had some crazy error when starting the installer that i couldn't get around
[02:06] <quickbrownfox> linux has a way to go before it just works
[02:06] <quickbrownfox> maybe my being on a laptop doesn't help
[02:06] <penguinboy> what went wrong with the Kubuntu install?
[02:06] <quickbrownfox> froze on setting up xlibs
[02:06] <quickbrownfox> on boot it freezes at sysenter_past_esp
[02:06] <penguinboy> I had trouble with my install on my laptop too
[02:07] <KaiL_> quickbrownfox: amd64? ;)
[02:07] <quickbrownfox> nop
[02:07] <KaiL_> penguinboy: what kind of laptop?
[02:08] <quickbrownfox> make? gericom
[02:08] <penguinboy> IBM Thinkpad R40
[02:08] <KaiL_> and what kind of trouble?
[02:08] <KaiL_> Gericom? Uhm... yeeees :)
[02:08] <quickbrownfox> what's that supposed to mean :P
[02:08] <KaiL_> do you think, buying it was a good idea? *fg*
[02:08] <quickbrownfox> yes
[02:08] <quickbrownfox> it's was the best value when i bought it
[02:08] <quickbrownfox> by quite a bit
[02:08] <KaiL_> ...until you need a new Accu and they don't even react
[02:09] <quickbrownfox> accu?
[02:09] <KaiL_> battery
[02:09] <quickbrownfox> well it's been fine for the past 10 months
[02:10] <KaiL_> that was mine too
[02:10] <KaiL_> 2 more and it was dead
[02:10] <Tm_T> hv
[02:10] <Tm_T> ei jaksa
[02:10] <Tm_T> ->
[02:10] <KaiL_> asking for a new one? well, the shop ordered (that was in 2001)
[02:10] <KaiL_> no reaction until today
[02:11] <quickbrownfox> well one individual case is never enough to go on
[02:11] <KaiL_> Gericom is known to be very very bad quality...
[02:12] <KaiL_> penguinboy: and what kind of trouble?
[02:13] <penguinboy> I partitioned my hardrive...installed....and then messed up the boot record...could not boot into Windows or Linux....took my forever to fix
[02:13] <KaiL_> quickbrownfox: what did you run on it before installing kubuntu?
[02:13] <penguinboy> if I could get Kubuntu to work with my wireless...I would dump Windows entirely
[02:14] <quickbrownfox> suse on the linux partition, and xp
[02:14] <KaiL_> penguinboy: I guess, the partition you used for kubuntu existed before? (or one with same size but other OS at the same place?)
[02:14] <KaiL_> quickbrownfox: was that stable?
[02:14] <quickbrownfox> yes it was
[02:15] <penguinboy> yes Kail....the partition was used by Ubuntu
[02:17] <KaiL_> penguinboy: ok, then not the bug I saw
[02:17] <KaiL_> quickbrownfox: could you recheck, if the ISO you downloaded is ok?
[02:17] <quickbrownfox> i verified the cd in the advanced installer
[02:18] <quickbrownfox> and checksummed the iso when i downloaded it
[02:18] <quickbrownfox> all good
[02:18] <KaiL_> penguinboy: http://madwifi.sourceforge.net/ - if my information about the WLAN chip is correct
[02:19] <KaiL_> quickbrownfox: did you try to install more than one time?
[02:19] <penguinboy> thanks Kail!
[02:19] <KaiL_> maybe it was just some "wrong bit at the wrong place" situation? ;)
[02:19] <KaiL_> penguinboy: http://tuxmobil.org/ibm.html
[02:20] <KaiL_> there are around 40 howtos for the R40, maybe some of them help :)
[02:21] <penguinboy> wonderful!
[02:21] <penguinboy> thanks
[02:21] <quickbrownfox> KaiL_: yes i did but after the second it messed up my partition table so i fixed that and deleted my linux partitions completely, then tried reinstalling
[02:21] <KaiL_> and broke both times at the same place?
[02:22] <quickbrownfox> yes
[02:22] <quickbrownfox> between the installations i resized some other partitions, so it probably didn't even use the same part of the hard disk
[02:23] <KaiL_> very strange, as there's nothing special done...
[02:24] <quickbrownfox> well i'm almost ready to label it as "one of those things" and wait till the next version and hope it doesn't happen again
[02:24] <quickbrownfox> like i'm doing with fedora
[02:24] <quickbrownfox> fc4 should be out today according to the schedule. i don't know if it's on schedule or not
[02:24] <rexykik> what is the command to make an ext3 filesystem?
[02:24] <ijuz> mkfs.ext3
[02:25] <rexykik> any switches?
[02:25] <ijuz> many, but mostly the default is ok
[02:25] <KaiL_> quickbrownfox: maybe you can find another computer to test the CD? :)
[02:25] <rexykik> would it be mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1 or /dev/hda
[02:26] <rexykik> ?
[02:26] <penguinboy> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
we are apt of borg - rpm is futile - you will be dpkg'ed
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[02:27] <quickbrownfox> there's another computer in the house but it's not really for fucking about with. i might try normal ubuntu and see if it's any different... though i prefer kde
[02:27] <KaiL_> lol (and this html bug sucks)
[02:28] <KaiL_> quickbrownfox: you can install kde on ubuntu, if nothing else helps - just install kubuntu-desktop
[02:28] <quickbrownfox> if that works i'll stick kde on top
[02:28] <quickbrownfox> but for now maybe i'll just revise for my exams =] 
[02:28] <quickbrownfox> thanks for trying kail. goodnight
[02:29] <ijuz> rexykik: /dev/hda1 most likely
[02:36] <penguinboy> Hey Hey Monchy!
[02:36] <monchy> hey penguinboy
[02:37] <monchy> us ubuntu archive still fubar hey?
[02:38] <penguinboy> i think so
[02:40] <monchy> damn, wanted to get the codecs
[02:40] <seth_k> monchy, just switch to http://archive.ubuntu.com
[02:40] <seth_k> monchy, I think they've turned auth off for now, so it should work if you really want to use US
[02:46] <monchy> seth, archive was messing up as well :(
[02:46] <monchy> and yes i did update after changing my sources ;p
[02:48] <delltony> anyone here mind helping me get transcode installed so i can use dvd::rip?
[02:58] <liz4rd> does any one have a good repo list? 
[03:00] <apollo2011> I am trying to install Powermated for my Griffin Powermate, and when I compile it, I get this error: http://sial.org/pbot/10997
[03:02] <apollo2011> liz4rd: for?
[03:02] <delltony> hey apollo2011 you ever messed with transcode?
[03:02] <apollo2011> no
[03:02] <apollo2011> try DVD Shrink under Wine
[03:03] <delltony> dang anyone besides me wanna convert my dvds to xvid
[03:03] <delltony> i figure 3 dvds on one dvd is better tahn 1 :)
[03:03] <ijuz> transcode is also in the nerim.net repository
[03:03] <ijuz> as dvdrip
[03:03] <delltony> i have dvd::rip installed
[03:03] <delltony> the gui that is
[03:04] <delltony> but its bitchin about transcode not being installed
[03:04] <ijuz> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main
[03:04] <liz4rd> apollo2011: for apt...
[03:04] <apollo2011> ubuntu mirrors?
[03:04] <delltony> ok hang on
[03:04] <liz4rd> yeah
[03:05] <apollo2011> liz4rd: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive
[03:06] <delltony> and you said transcode is relabled as dvdrip on that repository?
[03:06] <ijuz> no, but both are in the repository
[03:07] <delltony> so apt-get install transcode?
[03:07] <Mez> ijuz - I wouldnt recommend marillat, it breaks more things than fixes in ubuntu
[03:07] <delltony> i keep getting dependency errors on transcode is why i was asking
[03:08] <delltony> talking about libavcodec
[03:08] <delltony> and i tried to install that but its no found anywhere
[03:13] <delltony> damn i give up i can' get this thing to install for crap
[03:41] <spine55> Can anyone point me to a howto upgrade the ipw2200 driver to the latest version? 
[03:42] <crimsun> you can grab the latest version from http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/contrib/i/ipw2200/ipw2200-source_1.0.4-1_all.deb
[03:42] <crimsun> then you'll need to install build-essential, linux-headers-$(uname -r), and module-assistant
[03:42] <crimsun> then you can install ipw2200-source_1.0.4-1_all.deb
[03:43] <spine55> thanks crimsum
[03:43] <spine55> crimsun
[03:43] <delltony> hey crimsun you had any luck with transcode by chance?
[03:44] <delltony> or something that will allow me to convert vobcopied dvds to xvids
[03:44] <crimsun> transcode doesn't build in sbuild due to missing build-dependencies in multiverse
[03:44] <delltony> i have a bunch of dvds i bought that id like to put on a single dvd
[03:44] <crimsun> you may be able to find it in ubp
[03:44] <delltony> any suggestions?
[03:45] <crimsun> you can either ask someone to backport it (if it's not already), or you can build it yourself
[03:46] <delltony> well i downloaded he source and all but the configure screws me cause its wants the libavicodec.h or something like that 
[03:46] <delltony> from ffmeg and i have installed ffmeg but i guess not the dev files i don't know its fustrating
[03:48] <seth_k> apparently us mirror back up to par
[03:49] <delltony> configure: error: FFmpeg (libavcodec) required, but cannot compile ffmpeg/avcodec.h
[03:49] <Mez> seth_k, you mean still broken?
[03:49] <seth_k> Mez, no. Fixed. See #ubuntu
[03:50] <seth_k> crimsun changed topic there
[03:51] <lmoretti> Hi- New install- trying to install packages, using apt-get install, but I keep getting MD5Sum mismatches. (repository us.archive.ubuntu.com) 
[03:51] <crimsun> us.archive should be fixed
[03:51] <seth_k> lmoretti, do an apt-get update
[03:52] <lmoretti> seth_k - still no go.
[03:53] <lmoretti> failed MD5s on libpango1.0-0_1.8.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb, libgnomecanvas2-0_2.10.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb, libcairo1_0.3.0-1_i386.deb
[03:54] <lmoretti> I'm trying to install firefox.
[03:54] <seth_k> hmm. Maybe you have bad downloaded versions of those? cd /var/cache/apt/archives and then sudo rm the three packages, then try apt-get again?
[03:56] <lmoretti> they arn't there.
[03:57] <lmoretti> exact error "Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pango1.0/libpango1.0-0_1.8.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch"
[03:59] <Mez> seth_k, sudo apt-get clean is sager :D
[03:59] <Mez> safer *
[04:00] <seth_k> Mez, why clean the whole thing when he/she might need the other packages later? Just remove the failed ones. But they aren't even there :D
[04:01] <Mez> cause clean is always saer
[04:01] <Mez> safer *
[04:01] <seth_k> okay lmoretti, sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list and change all http://us.archive to http://archive
[04:01] <seth_k> e.g. remove the us
[04:03] <lmoretti> ok, did that, running an update.
[04:03] <Mez> sudo sed -e 's/us.archive/archive/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:03] <Mez> what a useful command
[04:04] <lmoretti> sed's on my list to learn one of these days.
[04:04] <lmoretti> ok, looks like that cleared up my problems.
[04:04] <seth_k> sudo sed -e 's/us.a/a/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list is shorter :D
[04:04] <seth_k> :P
[04:04] <lmoretti> thanks!
[04:05] <seth_k> you can't spell
[04:15] <Chameleon22> does anyone have the same issue as me, when I lock the screen and live the machine like that for a while it logs me out!!! 
[04:24] <nmorse> Like, fully locks you out?
[04:28] <monchy> hey were now in the top 20 with ubuntu
[04:28] <Mez> ?? monchy?
[04:29] <monchy> on distrowatch
[04:30] <Mez> ah
[04:30] <Mez> weird thinking of kubutnu as a distro
[04:30] <monchy> don't think it should be on there?
[04:31] <Mez> no i just find it weird thinking of it as seperate from ubuntu
[04:32] <monchy> wonder what'll happen if theres a Xubuntu (XFCE)
[04:33] <sproingie> it gets distributed separately, it's a distro
[04:34] <sproingie> there's lots of knoppix one-offs out there too that are nothing but remasters
[04:39] <monchy> blasted cd-rom
[04:40] <monchy> wish it would just die already instead of teasing me
[04:41] <Mez> hey Kamping_Kaiser 
[04:41] <monchy> i'll throw it into the air, you shoot
[04:41] <Mez> PULL
[04:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> arvo mez
[04:43] <Mez> wanna test out k3b in breezy Kamping_Kaiser ?
[04:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> i cant get KDE to download :S
[04:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> otherwise yet
[04:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> *yes
[04:44] <Mez> ah fair enough :D
[04:44] <Mez> lol
[04:44] <Mez> I just builkt k3b :D
[04:44] <Mez> whee
[04:44] <monchy> theres a new version?
[04:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) nerd
[04:46] <Mez> nah
[04:46] <Mez> well,
[04:46] <Mez> yes there is
[04:46] <Mez> it's just k3b didnt work in breezy before
[04:47] <monchy> have any of you guys ever used blank kodak cd-rs before?
[04:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> *downloads kde*
[04:48] <Mez> gl Kamping_Kaiser 
[04:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> Kubuntu-desktop isnt coming down, because i don't have k3b adn oo.o2-KDE, but KDE will
[04:50] <Echo_Mage> Yello all
[04:51] <Echo_Mage> Wow its awful quiet in here
[04:51] <seth_k> heh
[04:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> ffs i hate those people
[04:53] <Mez> lol
[04:53] <Tm_T> I kinda like
[04:53] <Tm_T> clowns
[04:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi tm_t
[04:55] <Chameleon22> does anyone have the same issue as me, when I lock the screen and live the machine like that for a while it logs me out!!! 
[04:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats a feature isnt it?
[04:56] <Tm_T> hmm
[04:56] <Tm_T> Chameleon22: log out?
[04:56] <Tm_T> Chameleon22: you mean it ask your password?
[04:57] <Chameleon22> Tm_T: no, it logs me out, as in it shows login screen 
[04:57] <Tm_T> ah
[04:57] <Chameleon22> ye
[05:25] <bryan> how do you pronounce kubuntu: "koo-buntu" or "kay-ubuntu"???
[05:25] <Chameleon22> koo-buntu
[05:25] <bryan> whew!!! thanks... i just won the bet :)
[05:25] <Chameleon22> koo-buntu - i do any way 
[05:26] <seth_k> koo boon too
[05:26] <bryan> i think the kubuntu home page should have the pronounciation like the ubuntu site does
[05:26] <seth_k> koo boon too or koo bun too?
[05:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> i say k' buntu
[05:27] <Chameleon22> when i look an some sites with firefox, the fonts appear to be to small, but when i look at the same site with IE or Konqueror fonts seem ok, is there way to fix this problem?
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> seth_k imo the first way
[05:28] <seth_k> grood
[05:28] <seth_k> food time
[05:31] <Chameleon22> ^
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> is small fonts the only problem?
[05:35] <Chameleon22> Kamping_Kaiser: ye seems like that 
[05:36] <Chameleon22> but interested why its like that only in firefx and other browsers look fine
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> nfi
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> but font size is an option
[06:13] <gethoht> hello everyone
[06:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[06:17] <gethoht> i've been checking out kubuntu, after a long time away from linux
[06:18] <gethoht> it's been a nice re-introduction
[06:18] <gethoht> i'm having a problem installing firefox though
[06:20] <gethoht> when i do an apt-get install firefox... i get a "failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pango1.0/libpango1.0-0_1.8.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb MD5Sum mismatch
[06:21] <gethoht> i also get that md5 error with libgnomecanvas2-0_2.10.0-0ubuntul)i386.deb
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> getholt, take it off the US mirrors
[06:21] <gethoht> edit /etc/apt/sources.list?
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> remove the "us." bit
[06:23] <gethoht> should I comment out the security servers?
[06:24] <pobstil> are there any gameboy emulators for linux?
[06:29] <gethoht> still get the Md5 sum error, now with a "W: Couldn't stat source package list error
[06:29] <gethoht> it looks like it's still trying to pull it from the us servers
[06:29] <gethoht> i even put uk.archive.ubuntu.com in the sources.list
[06:30] <gethoht> hrmm
[06:30] <seth_k> gethoht: did you do an apt-get update?
[06:31] <gethoht> nope.. let me try that
[06:31] <gethoht> ok done with the update
[06:31] <gethoht> same prob
[06:32] <seth_k> http://pastebin.ca <-- paste sources.list for me?
[06:33] <seth_k> there's no such thing as uk.archive
[06:33] <seth_k> it's called gb.archive
[06:33] <seth_k> iirc
[06:34] <gethoht> i tried it in the web browser first and it came up
[06:35] <gethoht> its pastebin.ca/14217
[06:35] <gethoht> i think i might have been editing the wrong one
[06:35] <gethoht> the wrong entry i mean... i was editing the entries at the bottom of sources.list
[06:38] <gethoht> i tried taking the us.  out of all the entries and i got a dependencies error
[06:39] <gethoht> like it didn't want to automatically install all the dependencies for mozilla-firefox
[06:41] <gethoht> i haven
[06:41] <gethoht> err
[06:45] <seth_k> just run the command in /topic
[06:45] <seth_k> sudo sed -e 's/us.archive/archive/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:45] <seth_k> :)
[06:47] <gethoht> i think that did it
[06:47] <gethoht>  :)
[06:48] <gethoht> so it was just taking the us out of the sources.list then huh?
[06:48] <seth_k> yep, and apt-get update
[06:48] <seth_k> us/ca mirror is b0rked
[06:48] <gethoht> ah ok
[06:48] <gethoht> that sucks
[06:49] <gethoht> thanks :) now i can finally not use windows for anything )
[06:49] <gethoht> :)
[06:49] <seth_k> :D
[06:51] <gethoht> thanks again :) I appreciate it
[06:51] <gethoht> i searched the ubuntuforums.org, google, linuxquestions.org and couldn't find a solution
[06:53] <gethoht> does kynaptic use the /etc/apt/sources.list file as well?
[06:55] <seth_k> gethoht: yep, just another interface to apt
[06:55] <gethoht> what's a good mp3 player for linux?
[06:56] <seth_k> for KDE, AmaroK, hands-down
[06:56] <seth_k> or XMMS if you must, but imo AmaroK > all
[06:56] <gethoht> i was using bmp on slackware
[06:57] <gethoht> it was very winamp-like
[06:57] <seth_k> yes, bmp is a lot like winamp
[06:57] <gethoht> i liked it alot, it even had a equalizer built into it
[06:57] <seth_k> AmaroK is a lot like iTunes
[06:58] <seth_k> so whichever makes you happy :)
[06:58] <seth_k> bmp is available in synaptic as well
[06:58] <seth_k> beep-media-player i believe it is called
[06:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes it is
[07:00] <nmorse> I'm waiting for amaroK, et als. to get iTunes sharing support
[07:00] <nmorse> That way I can play my family's playlists from my laptop
[07:00] <nmorse> and it should be even more interesting at college
[07:02] <nmorse> Juk is the best KDE player anyway
[07:04] <gethoht> hrmm
[07:04] <monchy> hm, can't eject cd
[07:05] <nmorse> eject not working, eh?
[07:05] <nmorse> CD busy?
[07:05] <monchy> story of my life with this cd-r lol
[07:05] <monchy> not sure if it's the blanks i'm using or not
[07:06] <nmorse> CD drives are fickle
[07:06] <monchy> ever used kodak cd-r's nmorse?
[07:07] <nmorse> No, I use imation CD-R's
[07:07] <nmorse> Cheaper
[07:07] <nmorse> About 5 cents a CD-R sometimes
[07:07] <monchy> these weren't too bad, 24$ for 50
[07:08] <nmorse> Makes coasters easy to forget about
[07:08] <monchy> CDN mind you
[07:08] <nmorse> So, like $5 American?
[07:08] <nmorse> Sorry, had to take a jibe
[07:08] <monchy> har har :p
[07:08] <nmorse> I like Canadian stuff
[07:08] <nmorse> It's way cheaper, I buy stuff every time I go there
[07:08] <monchy> it's weird though, i've got a few CD-RW and they work fine, non-kodak
[07:09] <nmorse> Some CD-RW drives are more fickle than others about the types of dye the CD-R's use
[07:09] <monchy> aha
[07:09] <nmorse> What color is the bottom of the CD?
[07:10] <gethoht> damn synaptic is nice
[07:10] <monchy> green
[07:10] <nmorse> What color are the other ones you use?
[07:10] <gethoht> kynaptic is still a little buggy
[07:10] <monchy> 1 sec
[07:10] <nmorse> Kynaptic's easier to use, Synaptic has more power
[07:10] <monchy> they look the same
[07:11] <nmorse> Real men use apt, or aptitude, or the really brave use dselect
[07:11] <nmorse> :)
[07:11] <nmorse> monchy: I guess they use a different dye with the same coloration
[07:11] <nmorse> Sometimes you can tell visually, other times you can't
[07:11] <nmorse> Trial and error is the only foolproof method ever invented
[07:12] <monchy> well guess i'll buy a new cd-rom during the week
[07:12] <monchy> if they still don't read then a new burner
[07:12] <nmorse> BTW, what's with the wiki transition in the topic?
[07:12] <monchy> and if they still don't read i'll throw the f'n things out the window ><
[07:14] <nmorse> man, dadgum storm cuts off my dadgum internet for 45 seconds at a time
[07:14] <nmorse> I missed everything for almost a minute
[07:14] <monchy> thunderstorm? :D
[07:16] <nmorse> So does anyone know what the wiki transition in the topic refers to?
[07:16] <nmorse> Yeah, thunderstorm
[07:16] <monchy> ah i miss those
[07:16] <nmorse> Thank god my laptop and UPS protect me
[07:16] <nmorse> But not my internet
[07:16] <nmorse> What, you live in Alaska?
[07:16] <nmorse> Oh, Canada
[07:16] <monchy> british columbia
[07:17] <nmorse> So near Alaska and Washington?
[07:17] <monchy> live about 4 hours away from the border
[07:17] <nmorse> I have a friend from Alaska
[07:17] <nmorse> He heard thunder for the first time in his life 2 years ago when he moved to Oklahoma
[07:17] <nmorse> He's an Alaskan native
[07:17] <nmorse> As in Indian
[07:17] <monchy> ooh
[07:18] <nmorse> Quite funny, he jumped like he thought he was being shot at, so I hear
[07:18] <monchy> lol, wonder if that's what the native-americans think around here
[07:19] <nmorse> Take them somewhere where there's thunder sometime
[07:19] <nmorse> It'll be worth the trip
[07:19] <monchy> well they don't really like people here so that'd be hard ;p
[07:19] <nmorse> Ah, yeah, you're near the territory they got to themselves, eh?
[07:20] <monchy> oh yeah, theres even a special tax on property
[07:20] <nmorse> But you get Red Rose Tea, so no complaints
[07:20] <monchy> lol
[07:20] <nmorse> That's the best tea anywhere
[07:20] <nmorse> I love that stuff
[07:20] <monchy> luckily i won't have to put up with it for long
[07:20] <nmorse> My family has it imported
[07:20] <nmorse> Why not?
[07:21] <monchy> planning to move back east around xmas time/new years
[07:21] <monchy> going to be a cop
[07:21] <nmorse> East, as in towards Ontario?
[07:21] <monchy> yeah, my home! :)
[07:22] <nmorse> Are you the one who always tells me Quebec isn't Canada?
[07:22] <monchy> no, but i agree with whoever says that
[07:22] <monchy> separtist bastards
[07:22] <nmorse> Heh, I like Quebec
[07:22] <nmorse> But I also speak French
[07:22] <nmorse> and enjoy French food
[07:22] <monchy> i'd like to see how long they last alone lol
[07:23] <nmorse> If it wasn't for the Quebecois' food I'd let them fall of the Earth
[07:23] <monchy> and the women
[07:23] <nmorse> and the women
[07:23] <duende> lol
[07:23] <nmorse> Does most of Canada have legal marijuana like Quebec?
[07:23] <duende> we don't
[07:23] <monchy> BC does pretty much, not sure about the rest of the country
[07:24] <liz4rd> OMG! it's leage in qubec????
[07:24] <nmorse> Ah, just remembering some stoners on the Quebec Fort wall
[07:24] <liz4rd> wtf no way
[07:24] <monchy> i know there are blunt bros cafes in vancouver
[07:24] <nmorse> Saskatchewan?
[07:24] <monchy> he's a prarie boy lol
[07:24] <liz4rd> yes
[07:24] <nmorse> That sucks
[07:24] <nmorse> That's like Calgary
[07:24] <liz4rd> OMG no you didnt
[07:24] <liz4rd> :P
[07:24] <monchy> lol
[07:25] <liz4rd> ouch
[07:25] <nmorse> I love Canada
[07:25] <liz4rd> me to ^_^ *hugs canada*
[07:25] <nmorse> More bitter rivalries than the States could ever have
[07:25] <liz4rd> and we have the hottest weman
[07:25] <nmorse> But yeah, Quebec has legal weed and the women can (and do) go topless
[07:26] <liz4rd> SWEET
[07:26] <gethoht> nice
[07:26] <nmorse> try Montmorency Falls and the Fort Park
[07:26] <monchy> lol
[07:26] <monchy> i think liz4rd is gonna have good dreams tonight @_@
[07:26] <nmorse> went there with a high school group, of all people
[07:27] <nmorse> Quite funny to see the teacher's reaction
[07:27] <nmorse> and she's taking them back next summer
[07:27] <liz4rd> http://pastebin.ca/14222 how do i get rid of that when i ssh to my self from somewhere
[07:27] <gethoht> how is the healthcare system in canada? any downsides? because i've heard not too many bad things
[07:27] <liz4rd> (pastebin.com is down)
[07:27] <monchy> it's free
[07:27] <liz4rd> yeah
[07:27] <liz4rd> all free
[07:27] <monchy> can't complain there lol
[07:27] <liz4rd> its the best man
[07:27] <nmorse> taxed, not free
[07:27] <liz4rd> oh well
[07:28] <monchy> oh, and mp3's are legal here
[07:28] <nmorse> Is it actually a good system
[07:28] <liz4rd> low taxes shitty gov't :P
[07:28] <nmorse> I heard about the mp3's
[07:28] <gethoht> if I mount an ntfs drive in linux, is there any options I should put in the /etc/fstab?
[07:28] <nmorse> Taxes on CD-R's
[07:28] <monchy> we pay a tiny levy on blank cd's
[07:28] <monchy> yep
[07:28] <liz4rd> http://pastebin.ca/14222 how do i get rid of that when i ssh to my self from somewhere
[07:28] <monchy> worth it though
[07:28] <nmorse> Just smuggle them across the border on foot
[07:28] <monchy> nice to not have to worry about the RIAA hunting you down
[07:28] <nmorse> I could emigrate to Canada without running into one border patrol guy
[07:29] <nmorse> I actually went through Immigrations once, on the aforementioned Quebec trip (forgot my ID)
[07:29] <monchy> brb need to test this cd
[07:29] <nmorse> Great country
[07:29] <gethoht> when I went up to montreal a couple summers ago, i got no hassle on the way into canada
[07:29] <liz4rd> acully just say you came for the cows the nstart mooooing and you'll get in free 
[07:29] <gethoht> coming back into the states, they hassled the fuck out of me
[07:29] <nmorse> Only in Calgary and Saskatchewan
[07:29] <liz4rd> like cavity searchy?
[07:29] <gethoht> asked me if I had beef, and tobacco, and alcohol... and of course drugs
[07:29] <nmorse> Coming into the states is much harder
[07:29] <gethoht> no no... not that bad
[07:30] <nmorse> Like, I Fed-Ex'ed my ID to myself
[07:30] <gethoht> searched the bike though
[07:30] <nmorse> Bah, neither US or Canada search cars
[07:30] <nmorse> They ask if you have a gun
[07:30] <nmorse> You say yes, they take it
[07:30] <nmorse> You say no, they leave it with you
[07:30] <nmorse> They melt them down too, not auction them like here in the states
[07:30] <gethoht> america is paranoid schizophrenic compared to canada
[07:31] <gethoht> if nations had psychological disorders
[07:31] <nmorse> Schizophrenic, not so much
[07:31] <nmorse> More like Dissociative Identity Disorder
[07:31] <nmorse> With associated paranoia
[07:32] <nmorse> The deliberation's what kills you
[07:32] <gethoht> i'm sick of the bullshit politics of the states
[07:32] <nmorse> A bureacracy is a dysfunctional mind
[07:32] <gethoht> stupid wars, corporate welfare
[07:32] <nmorse> I'm debating what to do after college in 4 years
[07:32] <nmorse> Hawaii or Canada
[07:33] <nmorse> Or the People's Republic of Nathan
[07:33] <nmorse> Set it up on a remote tropical island
[07:34] <nmorse> Wow
[07:34] <nmorse> that bad, eh?
[07:34] <monchy> urge to kill rising
[07:34] <gethoht> haha
[07:34] <monchy> i want to know what friggin dye these use
[07:34] <nmorse> Kodak dye probably
[07:35] <nmorse> Doubt they use an industry standard, why would they?
[07:35] <monchy> Formazan
[07:35] <monchy> kodak japan ltd dammit
[07:36] <nmorse> This should teach you: never buy name-brand
[07:36] <nmorse> Welcome to Soviet Russia
[07:36] <monchy> back to no-names lol
[07:36] <nmorse> I always use the cheapest ones
[07:36] <monchy> which always worked 110% for me before
[07:36] <nmorse> Never feel bad about a coaster, rarely make one
[07:37] <nmorse> They'd be cheaper if you smuggled them in from the U.S.
[07:37] <nmorse> I'm sure I could set up a trade route from Buffalo
[07:37] <monchy> lol
[07:37] <nmorse> No supporting the RIAA that way either
[07:38] <nmorse> Big conversion vans full of illegal CD-R's
[07:38] <liz4rd> :P
[07:38] <nmorse> I can see it now: me the head of the biggest CD smuggling group in the world
[07:38] <nmorse> Be quite funny if I got caught
[07:38] <liz4rd> yes names: "THe rerightables"
[07:38] <nmorse> What would they do?
[07:38] <liz4rd> oops
[07:38] <liz4rd> rewriteables*
[07:39] <nmorse> No, think of an acronym for CD-RW
[07:39] <nmorse> something that would explain all the CD's adequately to Border Patrol
[07:39] <liz4rd> oh god...i'm drawing a blank
[07:39] <nmorse> Same here
[07:40] <nmorse> Something involving DJ's maybe
[07:40] <nmorse> or maybe just CD-R
[07:41] <liz4rd> :P yeah
[07:41] <nmorse> Need an R word
[07:41] <nmorse> Any Canadian stuff that starts with R?
[07:41] <liz4rd> uh.....
[07:41] <liz4rd> rice
[07:41] <liz4rd> no
[07:42] <nmorse> We could go the Quebec route and make the W stand for weed
[07:42] <liz4rd> rrrrr (like a growle)
[07:42] <liz4rd> :P lmao
[07:42] <nmorse> Then we can explain the conversion van too
[07:42] <liz4rd> :P
[07:42] <nmorse> Crazy DJ's on Rural Weed
[07:42] <nmorse> There we go
[07:42] <monchy> i'm glad all this stuff gets logged, it'll make a good story one day :p
[07:42] <liz4rd> OMG l337
[07:42] <nmorse> Indeed, this needs to be selectively bashed
[07:42] <liz4rd> :P
[07:43] <nmorse> I like to look at my old Jabber logs
[07:44] <nmorse> Some of the conversations there have gone wild and all over the place
[07:44] <nmorse> Even more so than these ones
[07:44] <monchy> jabber all you use?
[07:44] <nmorse> Yeah, nmorse@jabber.org
[07:44] <nmorse> Some AIM, some Yahoo, some MSN, sometimes
[07:44] <monchy> do you use gaim for all that?
[07:45] <liz4rd> nah
[07:45] <liz4rd> psi for jabber
[07:45] <nmorse> Yeah, though its jabber functionality bugs me
[07:45] <liz4rd> amsn for msn
[07:45] <nmorse> I don't like Psi much either
[07:45] <liz4rd> havnt used AIM of yahoo for awhile
[07:45] <monchy> poor poor kopete lol
[07:45] <nmorse> Kopete's interface sucks
[07:45] <liz4rd> yeah
[07:45] <monchy> it could be good
[07:45] <liz4rd> WE NEED TEXT BASSED MSN!!!
[07:45] <nmorse> The Open Usability guys probably died of heart attacks looking at it
[07:45] <monchy> no tabbed messaging though is a big no no
[07:46] <liz4rd> lol i agree
[07:46] <nmorse> Text based MSN, like curphoo is for Yahoo?
[07:46] <nmorse> Shouldn't be too hard to write
[07:46] <liz4rd> yeah
[07:46] <nmorse> Use gaim's libmsn or libgaim or whatever and write a Python text interface to it
[07:47] <nmorse> Or use centericq
[07:47] <nmorse> Which is like Gaim for the CLI
[07:49] <nmorse> voila, I'm on MSN in Konsole
[07:51] <monchy> blah i think i have to start using firefox
[07:51] <nmorse> Why?
[07:51] <monchy> i miss ad-block
[07:51] <nmorse> That's one thing Konqueror definitely needs
[07:51] <monchy> coming in 3.5
[07:51] <nmorse> Excellent, then I'll probably switch over almost completely
[07:52] <nmorse> Won't that version also include optional Gecko rendering?
[07:52] <monchy> dev on 3.5 is supposed to wrap up june 30th, so should have it soon
[07:52] <billytwowilly> lol http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~shane/stasj/pics/humor/div/527.html
[07:52] <nmorse> If it has the Gecko rendering option, I'll never need another browser again
[07:53] <monchy> not sure on the optional gecko rendering, guys in #kde might know
[07:54] <monchy> oh i know the next version of konq has already passed the acid2 test
[07:55] <nmorse> That's good, it'll be the first to be released that does that
[07:55] <monchy> so it's coming along at least
[07:56] <nmorse> The guys in #kde say the gecko rendering hasn't had work done on it since last summer
[07:57] <monchy> ouch, that's a damn shame
[07:57] <mrmanic> what is acid2?
[07:57] <liz4rd> SPAM! http://datapirate.ath.cx/4um/viewtopic.php?t=5
[07:58] <monchy> mrmanic: to quote the webstandards site; Acid2 is a test page, written to help browser vendors ensure proper support for web standards in their products.
[07:59] <mrmanic> oh nice.
[07:59] <nmorse> It checks if they break properly
[07:59] <monchy> safari is the only other browser i know of that's passed it
[07:59] <nmorse> time for me to go
[07:59] <nmorse> OmniWeb or whatever that odd Mac browser is
[08:00] <nmorse> Cabsomething maybe?
[08:00] <mrmanic> camino?
[08:00] <nmorse> Anyway, time for me to go
[08:00] <nmorse> No
[08:00] <mrmanic> oh ok
[08:00] <nmorse> The ugly third-party browser
[08:00] <monchy> lol
[08:00] <monchy> later nmorse
[08:02] <liz4rd> should help me start up that forum
[08:02] <liz4rd> http://datapirate.ath.cx
[08:03] <liz4rd> i would let someone moderate one
[08:03] <monchy> you pay for that space?
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[08:04] <liz4rd> yeah
[08:04] <liz4rd> 40 gigs of space
[08:04] <liz4rd> :D
[08:04] <monchy> nice
[08:04] <liz4rd> a friend hooked it up
[08:04] <liz4rd> i just dont know how to get known
[08:04] <monchy> throw it in your part/quit message
[08:04] <liz4rd> yeah
[08:05] <liz4rd> how do i do that?
[08:05] <liz4rd> :P
[08:05] <Ghetek> mounting iso files in the console?
[08:05] <monchy> do you use konversation liz4rd
[08:05] <liz4rd> irssi
[08:05] <monchy> k then i don't know lol
[08:05] <liz4rd> hold on i'll jump on it
[08:05] <Ghetek> is it "$mount my iso file please" or "$mount my iso file pretty please"?
[08:06] <monchy> settings > identities > advanced
[08:06] <liz4rd> there now i am
[08:06] <froud> Ghetek: http://www.freebsddiary.org/iso-mount.php
[08:06] <Ghetek> thanks
[08:07] <liz4rd> alright done
[08:07] <liz4rd> monchy: would you help start it up? ...liek any ideas suggestions?
[08:08] <monchy> i'd like too, but when it comes to linux stuff i'm an idiot lol
[08:08] <liz4rd> me too
[08:08] <liz4rd> :P
[08:08] <liz4rd> but i know i have alot of stuff i could share
[08:09] <liz4rd> i want it to be more of a casual place tho :P
[08:09] <monchy> make a customization section for gnome & kde, i know people like that sorta stuff
[08:10] <liz4rd> ok
[08:10] <monchy> hah PS3 will run linux
[08:10] <liz4rd> nice
[08:10] <liz4rd> :P
[08:11] <monchy> too bad it'll probably be like 499 cdn ><
[08:11] <monchy> with 1 stinkin controller and a demo disc
[08:14] <liz4rd> monchy: go look now
[08:14] <liz4rd> http://datapirate.ath.cx
[08:14] <liz4rd> should i move the catagory up ?
[08:14] <liz4rd> to catch teh eye?
[08:14] <liz4rd> :P
[08:14] <monchy> yeah
[08:15] <liz4rd> k done
[08:15] <monchy> yeah that's better
[08:16] <monchy> is that the aero glass theme btw?
[08:16] <liz4rd> um one moment
[08:16] <liz4rd> daj_glass
[08:16] <liz4rd> nice hey
[08:16] <monchy> yeah looks good
[08:17] <monchy> easy on the eyes
[08:17] <liz4rd> yeah
[08:17] <liz4rd> would you post there?
[08:17] <liz4rd> :P
[08:18] <liz4rd> the main question
[08:18] <monchy> probably not, only because i really don't post on any forums
[08:19] <monchy> if i need want to talk there are people on freenode :p
[08:19] <monchy> er -need
[08:20] <liz4rd> ok i understand ya
[08:20] <liz4rd> i'm not a forum person my self :P
[08:20] <liz4rd> soon there will be a kick ass website
[08:21] <monchy> i'll keep it bookmarked though and i can lurk from time to time lol
[08:21] <liz4rd> ok that be cool
[08:21] <liz4rd> you know what
[08:21] <liz4rd> i should just enter a bunch of room and leave :P
[08:21] <monchy> lol
[08:21] <monchy> fedora,suse
[08:21] <monchy> konversation
[08:22] <liz4rd> there
[08:22] <monchy> they are all hyped over in fedora for tomorrow
[08:22] <liz4rd> why
[08:23] <monchy> core 4 releases tomorrow
[08:23] <liz4rd> cool
[08:23] <liz4rd> i guess
[08:23] <monchy> it's like if breezy came out for us :p
[08:23] <liz4rd> :P
[08:39] <markc> what is the "proper" way to update the nvidia driver package after a kernel package update to 2.6.12 ?
[08:40] <markc> all I can find is -> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[08:40] <markc> and I can't see what that has got to do with the actual driver
[09:31] <BurgerMann> Hi, does KDE have anything similar to MS Macros?
[09:31] <liz4rd> whats MS Macros
[09:31] <liz4rd> XD
[09:32] <BurgerMann> It's basically a recording of mouse and keyboard actions
[09:32] <liz4rd> oooooooooooooooooooo
[09:32] <liz4rd> no clue
[09:33] <BurgerMann> oki :}
[09:35] <liz4rd> i like your name tho
[09:35] <liz4rd> ^_^
[09:36] <BurgerMann> lol
[09:38] <diktatorn> why cant i copy text form konqueror and past i to de konsole? :/
[09:38] <liz4rd> do you have a wheel on your mouse?
[09:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you still have konqueror open?
[09:50] <closure> hi guys
[09:50] <liz4rd> OMG HI
[09:50] <liz4rd> :P
[09:50] <closure> lol
[09:51] <closure> >8-)
[09:51] <liz4rd> man its boring here
[09:51] <liz4rd> *cricket noises*
[09:51] <closure> lol
[09:51] <closure> yeah i'm bored as piss myself
[09:51] <liz4rd> what time is it there
[09:53] <closure> 4am
[09:55] <liz4rd> lol its 2 am here
[09:56] <liz4rd> nothing to (F WORD) to do around here at this time
[09:57] <closure> where you at?
[10:04] <closure> godamn backports
[10:04] <closure> oh wait
[10:04] <closure> it's working today
[10:05] <closure> holy jesus
[10:05] <closure> The following packages will be upgraded:
[10:05] <closure>   acroread acroread-plugins clamav clamav-base clamav-freshclam dcoprss
[10:05] <closure>   foomatic-db-hpijs foomatic-filters-ppds gaim-guifications gnome-menus hpijs
[10:05] <closure>   kdenetwork kdenetwork-filesharing kdenetwork-kfile-plugins knetworkconf
[10:05] <closure>   knewsticker kopete kpf kppp krdc krfb kwifimanager libclamav1 libgcc1
[10:05] <closure>   libgnome-menu0 libnspr4 libnss3 librss1 libsmbclient
[10:05] <closure>   linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 mozilla-browser mozilla-psm python-xdg
[10:05] <closure>   python2.4-samba samba-common smbclient sun-j2sdk1.5 xchat xchat-common
[10:05] <closure> 39 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[10:05] <closure> Need to get 163MB of archives.
[10:05] <closure> that's intense
[10:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats a flood
[10:06] <closure> kamping go jump on a razor blade and tell someone who cares
[10:06] <rodolfo> hi, after the boot this morning, the screen fonts were suddenly very big; the screen resolution did not change ...
[10:07] <rodolfo> how could that be?
[10:07] <closure> not sure
[10:07] <closure> is it everywhere?
[10:07] <rodolfo> yes
[10:07] <closure> or just in one app
[10:07] <rodolfo> every app
[10:07] <closure> no clue
[10:07] <closure> change it back
[10:07] <rodolfo> the font-size?
[10:08] <closure> yeah
[10:08] <rodolfo> strange is that the value in the set-up did not change
[10:08] <closure> that's very weird
[10:08] <closure> did it change the display when you adjusted it?
[10:09] <closure> in the set up that is
[10:09] <rodolfo> I tried a smaller font, and it changed
[10:09] <closure> *shrugs*
[10:09] <closure> computers do strange shit sometimes
[10:10] <rodolfo> but to get to the original size, I have to set a very small value!
[10:10] <closure> i blame the matrix
[10:10] <closure> and the agents
[10:10] <rodolfo> it happened before with another distro
[10:10] <rodolfo> maybe its a graphics display driver problem
[10:11] <rodolfo> I tried to reconfigure xserver-xorg, but nothing
[10:11] <rodolfo> what screen resolution do you use?
[10:13] <rodolfo> brb
[10:30] <rodolfo> what should I add in sources.list to install "lame"?
[10:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> multiverse
[10:34] <closure> rodolfo, i think i use 1240x680 or whatever
[10:38] <closure> http://sourceforge.net/projects/ninan/
[10:39] <closure> that says it's a "web application"
[10:39] <closure> does that mean it would run in my web browser?
[10:39] <rodolfo> Kamping_Kaiser: where do I find the lines to add?
[10:39] <closure> http://www.ubuntuguides.org/#extrarepositories
[10:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> just a minute
[10:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> ^ yeh
[10:39] <closure> rodolfo, that address
[10:42] <rodolfo> thanks
[10:43] <rodolfo> :(     Unknown host
[10:51] <closure> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[10:51] <closure> rodolfo, sorry no s
[10:58] <rodolfo> closure, ok
[11:21] <mindspin> hi, after uptading to kde 3.4.1 I'm experiencing frequently crashes of firefox and gxine. Any idea ?
[11:21] <mindspin> updating
[11:26] <closure> firefox i've always had problems with
[11:26] <closure> and why are you running gxine?
[11:27] <mindspin> I like it and both worked pretty good before
[11:27] <closure> i mean why not use xine?
[11:28] <mindspin> no idea, vdeo is not that important for me but the firefox crashes are really annoying
[11:29] <closure> yeah
[11:29] <closure> i switched from firefox to opera
[11:29] <mindspin> I love firefox
[11:29] <closure> it's hard to set up but once it gets up it's far more stable and uses far less resources
[11:29] <closure> still have no multimedia in mine thoguh
[11:30] <closure> but then again i don't like multimedia in linux as i have yet to find any controls
[11:44] <ubuntu> kubuntu VS. knoppix?
[11:45] <buz> knoppix is mostly live cd whereas kubuntu is preferably installed
[11:45] <buz> knoppix can be installed but keeps breaking when you upgrade it
[11:46] <ubuntu> I installed it, but it didn't not work on my pc with 2 video cards..
[11:47] <ubuntu> yes, knoppix's init script have some problems when i upgraded kernel to 2.6.11
[11:48] <ubuntu> Gentoo is great :)
[11:49] <ubuntu> buz, are u from mongo?
[11:49] <ubuntu> ???
[11:49] <buz> no
[11:49] <ubuntu> Chinese?
[11:50] <buz> switzerland
[11:50] <ubuntu> oh, good place :)
[11:53] <ubuntu> I'm from Beijing, China, i think you're from Mongolia from ur name :)
[11:54] <hussam> hey, I just rebuild synaptic 0.57 and installed it on Hoary.  But I didn't find and change from 0.55, is there a site for synaptic where I can find a changelog
[12:04] <Tm_T> hussam: hmm, google might help :/
[12:04] <Tm_T> http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/
[12:09] <hussam> ok thanks :)
[12:10] <hussam> I built firefox linux installer from cvs 1.0.x branch today. 
[12:11] <hussam> the build process took almost 70 minutes.
[12:35] <Mystery> hello?
[12:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[12:36] <Mystery> i just installed kubuntu, just to check it out, so far i like it but i have a couple of issues
[12:37] <Mystery> firstly, for some reason konqueror is duplicating every file in my folders
[12:38] <Mystery> for example
[12:38] <ztonzy> Mystery, I had the issue before too, just reload the dir
[12:38] <ztonzy> and it will be gone
[12:38] <Mystery> there's two downloads, two music folder, two of everything
[12:38] <ztonzy> but I am using Gnome these days
[12:38] <ztonzy> Mystery, yes...try to reload with CTRL+R or so
[12:39] <ztonzy> but it is strange
[12:39] <Mystery> oook
[12:39] <Mystery> worked
[12:39] <Mystery> wierd :S
[12:39] <ztonzy> :)
[12:39] <ztonzy> but it shouldn't happen
[12:39] <Mystery> yer
[12:39] <Mystery> maybe cus i have gnome installed aswell?
[12:39] <Mystery> or something
[12:39] <Mystery> anyway
[12:40] <Mystery> ztonzy: do you know what the button to show the toolbar is? for example blender is fullscreen, in gnome i press alt+F10 and the bar jumps up
[12:40] <Mystery> but here it's different
[12:41] <ztonzy> Mystery, dunno, can't remember, I removed KDE from system
[12:41] <Mystery> does anyone here know?
[12:43] <Mystery> ah well
[01:11] <Mystery> i have a small problem
[01:11] <Mystery> after i logged out and back in again
[01:11] <Mystery> the time dissapeared somewhere o.O
[01:11] <Mystery> time/date dissapeared
[01:12] <Tm_T> hmm, FreeCraft seems to be ok game
[01:12] <Mystery> can anyone help?
[01:22] <Mez> Mystery - right click the panel,
[01:22] <Mez> then add to panel
[01:22] <Mez> applet
[01:22] <Mez> clock
[01:23] <Mystery> i looked
[01:23] <Mystery> no clock
[01:23] <Mystery> it's gone
[01:23] <Mystery> O.O
[01:24] <Mystery> i looked everywhere for the clock
[01:27] <Mystery> something tells me it has turned into "applet 249"
[01:27] <Mystery> and when i try to click it, it says it's broken
[01:28] <Mystery> says
[01:28] <Mystery> "applet could not be loaded. check your installation"
[01:28] <Mystery> :S
[01:53] <Firetech> hmm, how do I start udev with correct permissions? "sudo /etc/init.d/udev start" sets wrong group (root) on some devices (tty* among others), which causes some programs (xterm) to stop working...
[01:53] <Firetech> starting it after "sudo su -" doesn't help either
[04:45] <Tm_T> http://lincity-ng.berlios.de/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[05:23] <foodcoman> Good Morning, Afternoon, Evening?
[05:23] <foodcoman> How would one turn off files going to Trash.  I would prefer to just have them deleted.
[05:23] <seth_k> morning :)
[05:25] <closure> food
[05:25] <Riddell> foodcoman: shift-delete
[05:25] <closure> foodcoman, you can press shift+del
[05:25] <foodcoman> The KUDOS FAQ has some tips on showing and hiding the icon!
[05:25] <closure> foodcoman, that's what i do
[05:25] <foodcoman> Riddell: closure:  That works for me.
[05:25] <foodcoman> Thanks.
[05:25] <foodcoman> Now that is reliable information...... 2 for 1!   =)
[05:25] <closure> oooh Riddell  he thanked me!
[05:26] <closure> lol j'k
[05:26] <foodcoman> I will let you guys fight over it!   ;-)
[05:28] <foodcoman> Joke:  Which is it?  Shift + delete or Shift - delete.  Why did they have 3 keys.  Seems like Shift Delete would be easier.
[05:28] <foodcoman> I have a hard time getting to 3 keys.
[05:28] <foodcoman> Joking.
[05:29] <airox> Hi!
[05:29] <airox> When I login into KDE (with kdm) I get a background of (in my case) Kubuntu. Right after that it loads my own selected background. Is there a way to alter the background that is between kdm and my own ??
[05:29] <closure> foodcoman,  it's like yoga you train your fingers to do things other people's can't
[05:30] <foodcoman> Hahaha...
[05:32] <seth_k> airox: Control Center > System Administration > Login Manager > Background should control that background
[05:37] <airox> tnx, let me check it out :)
[05:38] <airox> works perfectly!
[05:38] <airox> tnx again seth_k !
[05:40] <seth_k> :)
[05:40] <seth_k> glad i could help you
[06:33] <kalenedrael> ok, i need yacc and it's not in the apt repos
[06:34] <mrmanic> do you actually need yacc?
[06:34] <mrmanic> or just a yacc-like tool?
[06:39] <kalenedrael> ok, i fixed it
[06:39] <kalenedrael> got bison and flex
[06:40] <kalenedrael> yeah, so
[06:41] <kalenedrael> rebooting
[07:04] <Wimpie> hi all, anybody has some nice KUBUNTU CD labels ?
[07:05] <kalenedrael> no
[07:06] <kalenedrael> shouldn't be hard to make your own though
[07:06] <philipacamaniac> I remember seeing some on kde-look
[07:06] <Wimpie> any idea where ?
[07:06] <philipacamaniac> looking...
[07:08] <philipacamaniac> I present to you: http://process-of-elimination.net/?q=kubuntu_cd_labels_svg_and_png
[07:08] <douglas> Has anyone played hl2 in kubuntu here, and if so what optimizations can I make to make it run better?
[07:08] <airox> O_o
[07:09] <Wimpie> philipacamaniac : thx
[07:17] <edulix> hey
[07:17] <edulix> the cursor movement sometimes (when CPU is doing something) is not smooth. how can I fix that ?
[07:18] <edulix> I have an ATI with open source drivers
[07:19] <slow-motion> hello
[07:19] <edulix> hi !
[07:26] <ubuntu> hello
[07:26] <ubuntu> somebody can help me ?
[07:27] <ubuntu> what's the root passwd on the live-cd of kubuntu ??
[07:27] <philipacamaniac> there isn't one
[07:27] <philipacamaniac> use sudo to do root activities
[07:28] <ubuntu> when i do : su : it wants a psswd
[07:28] <philipacamaniac> try "sudo -i"
[07:29] <ubuntu> yes 
[07:29] <ubuntu> thx !
[07:35] <poptix> so
[07:36] <_pablo> hola
[07:36] <poptix> ubuntu is like, a somewhat fixed debian
[07:36] <_pablo> hola
[07:36] <poptix> and kubuntu is a somewhat fixed debian with a decent gui
[07:36] <_pablo> hello
[07:36] <poptix> aloh
[07:36] <poptix> a
[07:36] <_pablo> mi na,e is pablo
[07:36] <_pablo> my name is pablo
[07:36] <_pablo> and we?
[07:36] <poptix> my name is pablo
[07:37] <_pablo> ok bery match
[07:37] <edulix> hey Xorg is using here 792mb of ram. wtf?
[07:37] <_pablo> ee
[07:37] <mrmanic> that is a lot of ram
[07:37] <ijuz_> edulix: mappings, most likely
[07:37] <edulix> well it's virtual ram, swap
[07:38] <_pablo> I'am Ispanish
[07:38] <edulix> but I haven't got much more remaining
[07:38] <edulix> soy espaol tb pablo :)
[07:38] <_pablo> yo tambien
[07:38] <ijuz_> there is some small tool to analyse what the memory footprint of X contains
[07:38] <_pablo> cuatos aos tiebes
[07:38] <ijuz_> but i forgot the name ;)
[07:38] <_pablo> ?
[07:39] <_pablo> eeeooo
[07:39] <edulix> pablo: esto no es un canal de ligue xD. tengo 18 just for the record
[07:39] <poptix> Mi nombre es Pablo, y voy a matarle
[07:39] <_pablo> por que?
[07:39] <edulix> poptix: yeah paranoia hehe
[07:40] <poptix> Usted toc a mi madre de una manera impura
[07:40] <_pablo> ninigfif
[07:40] <_pablo> gfbgdsb
[07:40] <_pablo> dfssd
[07:40] <_pablo> dsg
[07:40] <_pablo> s
[07:40] <_pablo> gdf
[07:40] <_pablo> dffs
[07:40] <_pablo> dfs
[07:40] <_pablo> s
[07:40] <_pablo> dg
[07:40] <_pablo> sd
[07:40] <_pablo> g
[07:40] <_pablo> dg
[07:40] <_pablo> ds
[07:40] <_pablo> ds
[07:40] <_pablo> sd
[07:40] <mrmanic> wtf?
[07:40] <_pablo> sd
[07:40] <_pablo> sd
[07:40] <_pablo> s
[07:40] <mrmanic> _pablo: please stop that.
[07:40] <_pablo> dg
[07:41] <_pablo> g
[07:41] <_pablo> d
[07:41] <_pablo> s
[07:41] <_pablo> d
[07:41] <_pablo> s
[07:41] <_pablo> sd
[07:41] <_pablo> df
[07:41] <edulix> someone please kick him
[07:41] <_pablo> s
[07:41] <mrmanic> oh man, what I wouldn't give for chanops
[07:41] <_pablo> sdf
[07:41] <_pablo> s
[07:41] <_pablo> gf
[07:41] <_pablo> df
[07:41] <_pablo> fg
[07:41] <_pablo> df
[07:41] <_pablo> df
[07:41] <_pablo> f
[07:41] <_pablo> g
[07:41] <_pablo> fds
[07:41] <_pablo> sd
[07:41] <edulix> pablo: madura un poco anda
[07:41] <_pablo> df
[07:41] <_pablo> df
[07:41] <_pablo> f
[07:41] <_pablo> f
[07:41] <_pablo> f
[07:41] <_pablo> bdf
[07:41] <_pablo> f
[07:41] <_pablo> gb
[07:41] <philipacamaniac> we don't have any ops
[07:41] <_pablo> g
[07:41] <_pablo> g
[07:41] <mrmanic> incidentally, #kubuntu-es is available for spanish-speaking kubuntu users
[07:42] <_pablo> bf
[07:42] <_pablo> d
[07:42] <_pablo> df
[07:42] <_pablo> d
[07:42] <_pablo> bok
[07:42] <_pablo> ok
[07:42] <_pablo> vdfv
[07:42] <_pablo> 
[07:42] <_pablo>  v
[07:42] <_pablo> fg
[07:42] <mrmanic> it's empty, though.
[07:42] <_pablo> gf
[07:42] <_pablo> bf
[07:42] <_pablo> fd
[07:42] <_pablo> df
[07:42] <_pablo> df
[07:42] <mrmanic> nice
[07:42] <mrmanic> Riddell: you're a rockstar
[07:42] <philipacamaniac> Hurray! Three cheers for Riddell
[07:43] <spiral> hmmm... I've got a problem with kmail : for some e-mails I receive, I've got strange characters like []  instead of accents & so on in the preview mail, but not if I open the mail
[07:43] <spiral> does anyone here have any idea ?
[07:43] <KaiL_> what was that?
[07:43] <edulix> I suspected, hidden chanops in the channel are !
[07:43] <edulix> :)
[07:44] <philipacamaniac> a bot, I think
[07:44] <poptix> spiral: your preview font is different than your view font
[07:44] <mrmanic> philipacamaniac: a bot or some dude with WAY too much free time.
[07:44] <spiral> poptix: hmmmm, maybe... do you know where I should change this setting ?
[07:45] <edulix> mrmanic: I went to #kubuntu-es - empty but with a topic so yes, it exists :)
[07:45] <poptix> spiral: somewhere in the prefs i'm sure.
[07:45] <Tm_T> wtf
[07:45] <poptix> i don't think many mexicans have money, let alone reliable power, for a computer
[07:45] <poptix> and the ones that do, probably speak english.
[07:46] <edulix> philippacamaniac: perhaps someone has adapted spamassesin to IRC ?! hehe
[07:46] <spiral> poptix: isn't it rather a problem with utf8 & so on ?
[07:46] <poptix> spiral: yes, the preview font probably isn't utf8
[07:47] <edulix> poptix: he was mexican ? 
[07:47] <spiral> poptix: i don't find anything specific regarding fonts in the conf
[07:47] <poptix> edulix: shrug, he was speaking spanish =P
[07:47] <poptix> close enough for me (a dumb white american)
[07:47] <philipacamaniac> "don't think mexicans have money" - way to spread the Ubuntu spirit... ignore the fact that a huge percentage of Americans are Hispanic
[07:48] <poptix> apparently he's actually spanish
[07:48] <edulix> poptix: blah, I'm a dumb white spanish :P
[07:48] <poptix> (from spain)
[07:48] <poptix> philipacamaniac: no, a large percentage of people in the USA are hispanic
[07:48] <poptix> they aren't americans.
[07:49] <poptix> you have to be a citizen for that.
[07:49] <philipacamaniac> that's debatable, but since I'm a WASP, I won't say anything :)
[07:50] <poptix> i have no idea what that is, but it sounds like a racial slur =P
[07:50] <ijuz_> they are hiding in the usa with their ubunut boxes?
[07:50] <edulix> that remains me the last operation of spanish goverment: to give papers (citienship) to people working here so that noone treats them like shit..
[07:50] <philipacamaniac> White Anglo Saxon Protestant (American) - The most hated person on the planet, maybe...
[07:51] <poptix> philipacamaniac: ah, joy.
[07:51] <philipacamaniac> I'm just playing, dude
[07:51] <poptix> people can whine about stereotypes all they want, but they exist for a reason =P
[07:52] <edulix> philipacamaniac: well there a lot of chinese people in this world. whoever they hate will be the most hated person in the world, stadistically
[07:52] <poptix> i think the chinese hate taiwan =P
[07:52] <philipacamaniac> edulix: I like your train of thought... that's quite rational
[07:52] <poptix> maybe the british for colonizing them
[07:53] <goo> hello. How can I get the kde-bluetooth package on ubuntu?
[07:53] <philipacamaniac> And I'm pretty sure they hate me
[07:53] <goo> I can't find out :(
[07:53] <edulix> philipacamaniac: hehehe ;-)
[07:53] <edulix> well now it's time to study a bit, see you later!
[07:54] <edulix> goo: try to use kynaptic (or synaptic) to locate the package. search for common words like bluetooth.
[07:54] <philipacamaniac> goo: It has't been uploaded to Universe yet, but the testing package is here http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~motaboy/ubuntu/ 
[07:55] <foodcoman> Has anyone installed the IVTV drivers and Mythtv?
[07:55] <goo> edulix: I tried... no cigar
[07:55] <foodcoman> I have a Hauppage PVR-350 I want to get working under Kubuntu!
[07:55] <goo> philipacamaniac: Nice!
[07:55] <goo> philipacamaniac: thanks a lot!
[07:56] <foodcoman> MythTV seems easy enough with Multiverse and apt...
[07:56] <philipacamaniac> goo: There are a few problems (package-related, mostly). Read the comments here: http://ubuntu.com/wiki/MOTUNewPackages
[08:01] <goo> philipacamaniac: argh. How do I add that repo to my sources.list? deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~motaboy/ubuntu hoary ./   doesn't do the trick?
[08:02] <philipacamaniac> don't add it to your sources.list - it is an experimental package, and a developer's personal repo. Browse to it in your web browser and download the package (it is a .deb file).
[08:02] <goo> ah. ok.
[08:02] <goo> thanks
[08:03] <douglas> Where in kubuntu can I find a place to add options for agp cards (nvidia) so I can force 8x, fastwrite, and some other things. I read online that /etc/modules.conf is standard, but it's not there in kubuntu?
[08:03] <Riddell> goo: remove the hoary
[08:03] <Riddell> deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~motaboy/ubuntu ./
[08:05] <philipacamaniac> douglas - graphics card options are set in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:05] <douglas> oh, thanks
[08:08] <douglas> philipacamaniac: Where would I use what they are saying on this page ? ---> http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=60
[08:08] <goo> Heh. "Bluetooth is listed, but is unselectable when I try to add a new bluetooth device..
[08:08] <goo> err, a new obex device
[08:12] <philipacamaniac> goo: it is an experimental package at this point in time - you can attempt to compile from source yourself
[08:14] <goo> philipacamaniac: It was the same problem in Gentoo 4 months ago - either kdebluetooth is f*cked or I have to go and read some manuals all over again... :(
[08:14] <philipacamaniac> kdebluetooth itself is still in beta
[08:14] <philipacamaniac> I haven't personally tried it, so I can't say either way
[08:15] <philipacamaniac> douglas: perhaps those options go in /etc/modprobe.conf  ?
[08:16] <philipacamaniac> douglas: scratch that, it is obsolete, I think I found the place
[08:17] <philipacamaniac> douglas: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=165361&postcount=2
[08:27] <douglas> sorry, I've been reading myself, I'll check it out.
[08:29] <douglas> will I have to restart my box to test this you think?
[08:30] <philipacamaniac> hmm, probably...
[09:31] <_chris> is Kweather broken in Hoary?
[09:39] <jeramy> _chris: you just have to poke it a few times
[09:40] <jeramy> I added a weather station or two, closed it, re-opened it
[09:40] <philipacamaniac> maybe try "dcop KWeatherService WeatherService updateAll"
[09:40] <jeramy> deleted the "Unknown Weather Station" a few times...
[09:40] <jeramy> and now it works.  :)
[09:41] <jeramy> philipacamaniac: I'd try that, but mine works now, and I don't want to touch it.  ;)
[09:50] <_chris> kweather keeps adding a 0000 station. - no matter how many times i delete it comes back
[09:58] <eric_p> hi, i need some help with kubuntu...
[09:58] <eric_p> i certainly did a mistake and now, when i enter my user name and password in kdm, kde won't start (kdm restarts)
[09:58] <eric_p> an idea ?
[09:58] <eric_p> i only installed a webcam driver recently, and i don't see any relation...
[10:08] <mrmanic> eric_p: that's pretty bad.
[10:08] <mrmanic> eric_p: can you log in via the console?
[10:08] <eric_p> yes
[10:08] <eric_p> the problem is to launch an x session
[10:08] <mrmanic> eric_p: did the webcam driver install modify your xorg.conf?
[10:09] <eric_p> i think that it doesn't modidy it
[10:09] <eric_p> but i'm not sure: i used a script (quickcam.sh) which was in the driver source package
[10:10] <mrmanic> eric_p: check ls -la /etc/X11
[10:10] <mrmanic> and see what the modification date on your xorg.conf is
[10:10] <eric_p> is there a way to launch kde without kdm, or to repair kdm ?
[10:11] <mrmanic> I don't know about kdm
[10:11] <mrmanic> you might investigate dpkg-reconfigure
[10:12] <eric_p> mrmanic: good idea to check the date of the file, thanks. (i can't tell you the answer for now for i had to boot another partition)
[10:12] <eric_p> mrmanic: I will try to investigate dpkg-reconfigure too
[10:12] <mrmanic> another option is to move your .kde directory to .kdebak or something temporarily
[10:13] <mrmanic> in case something in your .kde dir is causing the issue.
[10:13] <mrmanic> oh
[10:13] <mrmanic> de
[10:13] <mrmanic> der
[10:13] <mrmanic> and check the x logs
[10:13] <eric_p> ok, i will try. but i fear the problem is not "user-related"
[10:13] <mrmanic> in /var/log/, I think
[10:13] <eric_p> i already checked the kdm log and the xorg log
[10:13] <eric_p> nothing bad
[10:13] <mrmanic> no dice?
[10:13] <mrmanic> weird
[10:14] <eric_p> only a few errors with font paths, but i think they already existed before
[10:17] <froud> can anyone point me to some docs that give guidelines regarding the resource allocations on an X-Server for each X-Terminal connected by XDMCP?
[10:17] <ijuz_> application dependent
[10:18] <froud> yes
[10:18] <froud> KDM
[10:18] <ijuz_> and budget dependent
[10:19] <ijuz_> i would go for at least 100 MB/user
[10:19] <froud> just need rules of thumb
[10:19] <froud> use case is an Internet cafe
[10:19] <eric_p> mrmanic: thank you very much for your help ! I will reboot into kubuntu and try the hints you gave me. It's a pity I have only one computer so i can't chat during the time I do tests
[10:20] <mrmanic> eric_p: you could chat with a console chat app like ircii.
[10:20] <froud> customers come and go nver know what PC they will get on next visit
[10:21] <froud> ijuz_: 100 MB RAM or Virtual Memory
[10:21] <ijuz_> froud: 100 MB should be enough, perhaps even a bit less, try it out
[10:21] <eric_p> yes, good idea...
[10:21] <froud> ijuz_: so 10 users = 1GB RAM?
[10:22] <ijuz_> yeah, sounds resonable
[10:23] <ijuz_> hm, well, if budget is a problem, you could try first with 512, but i have doubts, depends on how many webpages opened etc.
[10:23] <froud> ijuz_: does the server itself not need ram of its own?
[10:24] <froud> so min 256 for the server and 100 per session
[10:24] <ijuz_> froud: a bit, the question is your budget, the smaller it is, so more you can try, i would just stick in 2 GB and forget it
[10:25] <ijuz_> froud: really hard to say, when you allready have a server running, open several connections to it, use some Xnest on another system
[10:25] <froud> OK, and stick the normal swap guidelines?
[10:25] <nmorse> A couple of Gigs, dual Opterons and you can run about 30 thin clients
[10:25] <nmorse> There's an article around here somewhere on it
[10:25] <nmorse> Using PXEboot
[10:25] <froud> Hmmm that's a good ratio
[10:26] <froud> nmorse: url
[10:26] <nmorse> Hang on
[10:26] <nmorse> It was about running a school lab on it
[10:26] <froud> yeah kinda need the same setup
[10:26] <ijuz_> froud: bigger swap doesn't harm, just do it at least double the size
[10:27] <jjesse> i thought i read something on it in linux journal or something?
[10:27] <jjesse> bout running a school lab or something?
[10:27] <froud> yeah I been googling and have null
[10:27] <nmorse> That's a different article, but it might be useful
[10:27] <nmorse> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7418 is the one jjesse was talking about
[10:28] <froud> anyone have ideas about a crm/billing software for a Linux-based Internet Cafe?
[10:28] <froud> nmorse: thanks
[10:28] <ijuz_> froud: you could also search for skolelinux
[10:29] <nmorse> Billing software, like to set a time to use it
[10:29] <froud> yes customer buy time and spend it in units
[10:29] <nmorse> hmm, I know you can set it up for limited amounts of time
[10:30] <nmorse> But then you'd need to write a GUI program so they can select their account and how many units
[10:30] <froud> I tought there was a sofware called Open-Caffe
[10:30] <nmorse> and probably a system tray device to tell them how much time they have left
[10:30] <nmorse> Never heard of Open-Caffe
[10:30] <froud> nmorse: I wonder if such a solution exists
[10:31] <nmorse> Probably does
[10:31] <nmorse> I wonder if there's a linux channel on freenode here that does that stuff
[10:31] <froud> what whoul dyou google for?
[10:32] <nmorse> What are you using to do this, distro-wise?
[10:32] <nmorse> Linux Terminal Server Project, maybe?
[10:32] <ijuz_> look on freshmeat, surely somebody had this problem
[10:33] <froud> yeah I considered using ltsp
[10:33] <ijuz_> but anyway, when you worry about resources and can't put the money for a fast server on the table, you should get thin clients instead of xterminals
[10:33] <nmorse> IBM made a bunch of PXE-bootable PII systems
[10:34] <nmorse> You can buy them by the truckload
[10:34] <nmorse> Maybe $30 a piece sometimes
[10:34] <nmorse> Then just have them boot off of the server, and instant systems with no local hard drives
[10:34] <nmorse> A 450 mHz PII will run KDE, et als. just fine if you put 256 MB RAM in it
[10:34] <froud> that's the best way
[10:35] <heart> where do i have to write "numlockx" in so that it will be started on every boot?
[10:35] <froud> ok dudes, thanks for everyting. must go bed now, sleeep needed
[10:36] <ijuz_> froud: the problem is that when a webbrowser blows up it affects other uses probably
[10:37] <froud> ijuz_: I also have a copy of this http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/courses/web-tuxlabs.html but its a bit more complicated that I want and expensive
[10:37] <froud> laters
[10:44] <eric_p> mrmanic: i tried all your advices but nothing worked :(
[10:45] <mrmanic> eric_p: well that's terrible.
[10:45] <mrmanic> eric_p: I'm pretty much out of ideas
[10:45] <eric_p> even with a new user, impossible to launch kde
[10:45] <mrmanic> eric_p: do you have gdm installed?
[10:45] <eric_p> my xorg.conf has not been modified
[10:45] <eric_p> no, i havent gnome...
[10:45] <mrmanic> I see.
[10:46] <eric_p> maybe i could try to apt-get install it...
[10:46] <mrmanic> that's an option
[10:46] <mrmanic> another option would be to see if you have xdm installed
[10:46] <mrmanic> and try setting that as the default login manager
[10:47] <eric_p> xdm: command not found
[10:48] <mrmanic> eric_p: so you'd have to apt-get that too
[10:48] <mrmanic> or instead
[10:48] <mrmanic> I don't know what dependencies gdm has.
[10:48] <mrmanic> so I'd prefer to install xdm rather than gdm, if I were running a pure kde system.
[10:50] <othernoob> hey, when i click on storage media and get to media:/ in konqueror, nothing shows up. this never happened before.
[10:50] <mrmanic> othernoob: is kded running?
[10:50] <eric_p> mrmanic: i think i found my problem...
[10:51] <mrmanic> eric_p: what is it?
[10:51] <eric_p> i'm so stupid
[10:51] <eric_p> i installed gdm
[10:51] <othernoob> mrmanic how do i find out
[10:51] <mrmanic> othernoob: ps -A | grep kded
[10:52] <eric_p> i llaunched it, i tried to log in and i got an error message: can't write in the authorization file, or no space free on disk
[10:52] <abisen> i am transferring my files through sftp and the transfer speed is 1.1 MB/s where as it should be around 10 then i start multiple transfers and all are giving me 1.1 MB/s simultaneously so i guess there is some setting that is throttelling that speed 
[10:52] <eric_p> i tried df and... 0% free
[10:52] <mrmanic> ah
[10:52] <abisen> can some body tell me if there is a setting (default) in kubuntu
[10:52] <mrmanic> that'll do it.
[10:52] <mrmanic> eric_p: see if you can free up some space :)
[10:52] <othernoob> mrmanic, yea its running
[10:53] <eric_p> what is strange is that i could download the about 10 mo of gdm...
[10:53] <mrmanic> eric_p: is your /home on a different partition from your /?
[10:53] <eric_p> no
[10:53] <eric_p> only swp is on another partition
[10:53] <mrmanic> I have no idea, then.
[10:54] <mrmanic> othernoob: I'm not sure how to debug this.  I ran into it once before, and it was b/c kded died
[10:54] <mrmanic> othernoob: apparently that's not your problem
[10:54] <eric_p> ok, i'll free some space and i will retry, thank you for everything
[10:54] <othernoob> mrmanic: i haven't rebooted yet, because i'm dling something, but its the first time it happened :/
[10:55] <mrmanic> np.  I hope that was your only problem.
[10:55] <othernoob> not a big prob at the moment, but a bit annoying
[10:55] <mrmanic> othernoob: you could always try killing and restarting kded.  I don't _THINK_ that would affect your downloads. (no guarantees, of course)
[10:57] <othernoob> mrmanic: i just copied everything i needed via konsole. i'll see if it's a permanent problem tomorrow :) but thanks, ill keep that in mind
[10:57] <mrmanic> ok
[11:19] <heart> what do i have to install so that i have java enabled in firefox?
[11:20] <ruhib> see http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[11:22] <heart> in which repos. is "sun-j2re1.5"?
[11:23] <heart> get "E: Konnte Paket sun-j2re1.5 nicht finden"
[11:27] <ruhib> I use http://ubuntujava.yimports.com/
[11:32] <_chris> i caught the end of the sun jre conversation.  what repository is that in?
[11:34] <eric_p> mrmanic: i managed to launch kde :)
[11:35] <eric_p> thank you for your advices
[11:36] <eric_p> it was just a problem of disk space, (my disk is very very small) but apt-get clean was sufficient