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tsengmaybe i should update my desktop to breezy12:01
tsengoh12:01
Nafallonothing much, chatting +webdev.12:01
tsengmythtv is broken12:01
Nafallobreezy rocks!12:01
tsengwell12:01
tsengmythtv rocks more12:01
Nafallo1-day bugs and stuff :-P12:02
dooglushow does a package get changed from a debian package to a ubuntu package of the same name?12:05
Burgundaviadooglus, most of the packages are simly rebuild automatically12:05
Burgundaviarebuilt even12:05
Burgundaviathose that are -#ubuntu# have been changed by someone with ubuntu12:06
dooglusBurgundavia: for example, http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libc/libcurses-perl/libcurses-perl_1.12-1_i386.deb is a hundred kb of working binaries12:06
Burgundaviaok12:06
doogluswhereas http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libc/libcurses-perl/libcurses-perl_1.12-1_i386.deb is 7 kb of nothing much12:06
doogluswouldn't it be better to just copy the file?  less chance of messing it up that way12:07
Burgundaviaubuntu takes the debian source and rebuilds it in an Ubuntu environment12:07
Burgundaviaas we have some different things, like python12:07
dooglusBurgundavia: if the rebuild process is automatic, is it visible?  I mean, can I take a look at it and see why it is failing?12:08
Burgundaviahere is build logs for that deb12:08
Burgundaviahttp://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/libc/libcurses-perl/12:08
dooglusthanks12:11
dooglusBurgundavia: do you know what command that log is the output from?12:19
dooglusBurgundavia: I just tried to reproduce the problem, but it builds and packages fine locally12:19
dooglus(using "apt-get source -b libcurses-perl")12:20
Burgundaviano idea12:21
dooglushmmm, ok.12:21
dooglusthanks for the log url anyway.12:22
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pepsihrm12:50
pepsiwhats this channel for?12:50
ajmitchubuntu, masters of the universe, we deal with all the packages in the universe component of ubuntu12:51
tsengwhat are topics for? :P12:51
pepsithe topic lacks a description of what the channel is12:52
pepsimasters of the universe isnt the most obvious :P12:52
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:Mez] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers| http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks | Please dont complain about X for the next 2 weeks
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:Mez] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks | Please dont complain about X for the next 2 weeks
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Unfrgivenmorning all01:11
crimsunit'd make more sense to place http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU ahead of http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar :P01:12
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:Mez] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks | Please dont complain about X for the next 2 weeks
Mez:P01:16
Mezchange it yourslef you lazy bugger01:16
Mezo crimsun, I hear you'll be signing amaranth's key01:16
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:tseng] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks | Please dont complain about X for the next 2 weeks || Dont complain period
tsengthat should cover it.01:25
pepsithats a much better topic01:27
Mezlol01:28
tsengnot that people actually read topics01:29
dokoPlease don't complain about anything for the next 8 weeks01:29
tsengdoko: yep.01:29
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:Mez] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks | Please dont complain about X for the next 2 weeks || If you wish to complain about anything, complain in #flood
dokotseng, by the way, may I complain about the mono2 bit?01:30
Mezthats better tseng01:30
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Mezdoko - yes, in #flood01:30
tsengdoko:  i started it01:31
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dokoMez: hmm, I think I like the pointer to the bug reporting system better ...01:31
tsengdoko: it broke the 1.0 stuff in the process01:31
dokotseng: hmm, not nice01:31
tsengdoko: so its not as easy as it initially looked01:31
tsengre splitting up 1.0 vs 2.001:31
dokotseng: I'm doing Java in the meantime ...01:33
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Mezo_O01:34
Mezhey seth01:34
seth_k?01:36
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janmhi04:13
ivokshi04:15
Mezhey ivoks :D04:17
Mezstill wiating for that apology :D04:17
Mez:P04:17
ivoks?04:25
ivoksah, sorry04:25
ivoksif that makes you smile ;)04:25
Mezlol04:27
Mezam just kidding around with ya :d04:27
Mezanyways L:D I did some wubbing to k3b and got it working for breezy04:27
Mezw00t04:27
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dooglusMez: you saw this, I take it?  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1153506:43
seth_kit's 6AM for mez, he's been asleep less than 2 hours. he'll notice it eventually though06:47
dooglussure.06:47
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\shmorning07:55
Unfrgiven\sh: hey dude08:07
\shHey Unfrgiven08:07
Unfrgiven\sh: how goes it?08:08
\shUnfrgiven: just came to my office and started to work :)08:08
Unfrgiven\sh: ah right... its a public holiday here today =)08:09
Unfrgiven\sh: whats the state of the transition? how much is done now? anything needing to be done ugrently?08:09
\shUnfrgiven: i will give libflash during this day a shot and I saw some fixes from ivoks..08:10
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\shguys...if you want fun in the office: http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/31-Thx-Aseigo-Long-time-ago,-there-was-a-Balmer,-a-crazy-one,-too..html08:45
DanielN\sh: couldn't look it here at office.. fsucking proxy :/08:51
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ivokshi09:17
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xeroxHi!11:08
xeroxDo you know where could I get the lastest gaim=11:08
xerox'?'11:08
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xeroxI think I found it, but I can't find a way to add it to sources.list.  It's there: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gaim/11:13
DanielNc++ heroes here?11:18
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ivoksxerox: ?11:22
xeroxivoks, which source I have to add to get that repository?11:24
xeroxdeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main ?11:25
ivoksdeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main11:25
xeroxI think I've messed up my sources.list.11:25
xeroxWhat is "restricted" ?11:26
ivoksrepository of non-free packages11:26
xeroxivoks, can you point me to an example _safe_ sources.list for hoary?11:27
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ivoks?11:28
ivokssafe sources.list would be those two lines you have 4-5 lines ago :)11:28
xerox:(11:30
ivoksproblems?11:31
xeroxapt doesn't let me install anything11:31
ivoksmaybe you should ask in #ubuntu, not here11:32
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xeroxThanks much for the help ivoks!11:33
DanielNxerox: try sudo and ten apt command11:37
xeroxDanielN I know I should do it as root :)11:39
xeroxBut that seem a problem in the gaim package...11:39
xeroxgaim: Depends: gaim-data (= 1:1.1.4-1ubuntu4.2) but 1:1.3.1-1ubuntu1 is to be installed11:39
xeroxE: Broken packages11:39
ivoksyou were using backports11:39
xeroxnope11:40
xeroxdeb http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main universe multiverse restricted11:40
xeroxdeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main universe multiverse restricted11:40
ivoksapt-get update?11:40
xeroxivoks, I've done it many many times in the last 2 minutes11:41
ivoksapt-cache show gaim-data | grep Version11:41
xeroxVersion: 1:1.3.1-1ubuntu111:41
xeroxVersion: 1:1.1.4-1ubuntu4.211:41
xeroxVersion: 1:1.1.4-1ubuntu411:41
xeroxDoes that mean I have 3 gaim-data installed ? O_o11:41
DanielNyep11:42
xeroxugh.11:42
ivoksno11:42
xerox:)11:42
ivoksthat means you have three sources for it11:42
xeroxBetter.11:42
DanielNnot really11:42
ivokssudo apt-get install gaim-data11:42
DanielN;)11:42
ivoksyou see..11:42
xeroxgaim-data is already the newest version.11:42
ivoksthat one 1:1.3.1-1ubuntu1 isn't from hoary11:42
ivoksyou used backports11:42
ivoksperiod11:42
xerox$ apt-cache policy gaim-data | grep Installed11:43
xerox  Installed: 1:1.3.1-1ubuntu111:43
ivoksyou have to remove gaim-data, and then install it again11:43
xerox??11:43
xeroxBut it0s here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gaim/11:43
ivoksyou installed version that is NOT in ubuntu11:43
ivoksxerox: that's gaim for breezy11:43
ivoksnot hoary11:43
xeroxoh.11:43
ivoksremove it11:44
xeroxI didn't use backports you see :( I'm not lying!11:44
ivoksyeah, you did something even worse :)11:44
xeroxRemoved.11:44
xeroxSorry :(11:44
ivoksnow install gaim11:45
xeroxapt-cache policy {gaim,gaim-data}  still show 1.3.111:45
ivoksfrom where11:46
xeroxI deleted the .debs and it installs 1.1.411:46
xeroxOK, now it works, but gaim is old :)11:46
xerox#ubuntu topic says "DO NOT USE BREEZY YET", so I suppose there is no way to get an update gaim.  Right?11:47
ivokssure there is11:48
ivoksdownload source and compile it11:48
xeroxRight.11:48
xerox...but I would be irrespectful to your hard job in packaging ;)11:49
ivoksdoko: openscenegraph and opencv should build fine now... :)11:51
DanielN\sh: wouldn't you say something to me?? :)11:54
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Mezdooglus: er no i didnt notice, but - meh - it still doesnt work with that manul libdepnds changed, but - when it was build it auto lib-depends n tha12:02
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DanielNhas someone here a good document, to find out the main build errors with gcc4 ?01:14
DanielNor the main changes in building01:14
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\shback02:02
\shDanielN: there is a document02:03
\shDanielN: http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.0/changes.html and http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-3.4/changes.html#cplusplus02:04
DanielN\sh: yep, that hasn't aided (or however) me... :/02:23
DanielNerror: explicit qualification in declaration02:28
DanielNthat's stated (i googled already, without much helpful information)02:28
\shDanielN: did u check the source line? paste the sourceline into jabber please :) or give me a build log02:35
Riddellwhat's the current recommendation on 0.6beta1 style version numbers?02:37
DanielN\sh:02:37
DanielNinline std::string SigCPerl::get_string(SV *val) throw()02:37
\shremove the inline02:39
\sh(try it at least) ;)02:39
DanielN;)02:39
\shi had a similar issue with it02:40
\shhot shot ... i don't know if this is it02:40
DanielNi hpe not, because there ar thousands of inline's :((02:43
DanielN\sh: err, but i can't remove inline.. i must replace ist with another function (which one? pah.. no idea :) )02:52
\shDanielN: which source?02:52
DanielNhmm?02:54
DanielNsource package?02:54
DanielNsigcperl (breezy of course)02:55
\shDanielN: which file and line?02:56
DanielNargh02:57
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DanielNsorry, i'm a bit scratched-off :)02:57
DanielNconvert.h line 7102:57
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bddebianHowdy02:58
\shah02:58
\shinline std::string SigCPerl::get_string(SV *val) throw()02:59
\shtry this:02:59
\shinline std::string get_string(SV *val) throw()02:59
\shhe was repeating the namespace identifieer02:59
DanielNok03:00
DanielNi'll try03:00
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DanielN\sh: no more errors about line 71!03:05
DanielNbut several others03:05
DanielN:)03:06
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DanielNWOOOHO :))03:09
DanielNit builds fine now, \sh thanks alot03:09
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DanielNerm.. but i don't have too apply a patch now? simply provide the debdiff between old and new, right?03:10
\shDanielN: u have to check...namespace ... { [...] } if the namespace is not closed, g++4 will raise errors for using namespace identifiers inside the function declaration03:10
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DanielN\sh: ok, what about the above question (about the patch) ?03:28
\shDanielN: no..03:44
\shDanielN: do this: mkdir patchwork ; cd patchwork ; tar -xvzf sigcperl_0.2.0.orig.tar.gz ; mv sigcperl-0.2.0.orig sigcperl-0.2.0.orig.patched ; tar -xvzf sigcperl_0.2.0.orig.tar.gz03:46
\shcd sigcperl-0.2.0.orig.patched03:46
\shpatch your source03:46
\shcd ..03:46
\shdiff -ur sigcperl-0.2.0.orig sigcperl-0.2.0.orig.patched > 01_gcc4.patch03:46
\shcd ..03:46
\shcd sigcperl-0.2.003:46
\shcd debian03:46
\shmkdir patches03:47
\shcp ../../patchwork/01_gcc4.patch patches/03:47
\shvi rules and add some patch targets03:47
\shand also some unpatch targets :)03:47
\shthen u have a clean debianized source and apply the patches during buildtime03:48
DanielNyeah, thanks!03:49
DanielNCxx trans is good for learning much i think03:49
\sh:)03:54
\shok..going home now04:01
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ivoksDanielN: ping04:44
DanielNivoks: pong04:45
DanielNall: if i use dpatch, it must be a build-depend, right?04:46
ivoksDanielN: is cppopt finished?04:46
ivoksi never used dpatch :)04:46
DanielNwell, i think (for me it's ok)04:46
ivoksi'm pretty sure hdf5 is FTBS :)04:49
ivoksthis is very dificult package...04:49
ivoksput a comment there: waiting for new debian release04:50
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ivokscause, debian will bring new release that will be buildable on amd64 with g++404:50
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DanielNivoks: FTBS ?04:52
ivoksfailed to build source04:52
DanielNah04:52
ivoksi worked on that one04:52
ivoksvery difficult04:52
DanielNargh04:52
DanielNi'll check it then04:53
DanielNand add a comment04:53
ivoksput comment - waiting for new debian release04:53
DanielNyep04:53
ivoksi talked with debian maintainer of that package04:53
ivokshe said he's working on new version04:53
DanielNivoks: remember me tonight again, when i'm at home04:53
DanielN:)04:53
ivokswho knows will I be here04:54
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DanielNivoks: i'm sure you'll ;)05:04
DanielNso, time to go.. fscking patch has time until tomorrow :))05:04
DanielNsee ya later on05:04
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bradbhey uber hackers05:35
bradbmalone usability question: what do you guys think about the current ordering of comments?05:36
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Amaranthon a 26k connection, give me a minute to load it up05:38
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Amaranthbradb: got an example of a bug with comments? :)05:39
bradbAmaranth: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/88905:39
Amaranthyou do know malone has horizontal scrollbars at 800x600, right?05:40
Lathiatit looks ugly anyway05:40
Lathiatsoassumedly05:41
Lathiattheyll do something about that05:41
Amaranthhehe05:41
ivokshi05:41
Amaranthget sgarrity to work on it for you :D05:41
Amaranthbradb: you've seen how the forums work, right?05:42
Amaranthyou click the little reply button on a post to reply to it?05:42
bradbAmaranth: when, let's take this one step at a time here...05:42
bradbAmaranth: first, what do you guys think of the ordering of comments on the bug page?05:42
Amaranthi'm just talking about comments here05:42
Amaranthyou have them ordered by date with the latest comment first?05:43
bradbAmaranth: yes05:43
Amaranthshould be the other way around if you expect people to actually read them05:43
bradbi agree ;)05:44
bradbjust wanted to make sure we're on the same page before i talk to sabdfl about it05:44
bradbAmaranth: yes, i'm aware of the horiz scrolling at 800x600. just like bugzilla, right?05:52
Amaranthlet me check bugzilla05:52
bradbe.g. https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=129105:53
Amaranthi'll get back to you in a year when it finishes loading :)05:55
bddebianheh05:55
Lathiathaha05:55
Amaranthi think it stalled05:55
bradbAmaranth: 26k sounds like cruel and unusual punishment05:56
Lathiatcus you hit refresh and it only took a month?05:56
Amaranthso far though i only have a very small horiz scrollbar05:56
Amaranthbradb: it is05:56
Amaranthbradb: i'm stuck with this for a week05:56
Amaranthok, the horizontal scrollbar with bugzilla is close to the size of the one in malone05:57
Amaranthbut things aren't as squished as they are in malone :)05:57
bradbAmaranth: in your ideal world, how would the Malone bug page be improved to suit your taste?05:58
Lathiatwith a dbi05:58
Amaranthbradb: I've been meaning to make a mockup of that.05:58
bradbAmaranth: a mockup? wow, that'd be some hardcore user feedback. ;) by all means. i'd love to see it.06:00
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Amaranthbradb: basically it'd just look like bugzilla though :)06:01
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bradbAmaranth: IOW, you don't think bugzilla's bug page can be improved?06:02
Amaranthi think it can be, but not much06:02
bradbok06:03
bradbAmaranth: what about for people who aren't skilled hackers? would your grandma be able to use the bugzilla bug page, for example?06:05
Amaranthbradb: she couldn't use malone either :)06:05
Amaranthbut that's not fair, she can't even use firefox06:05
bradbAmaranth: i agree that she couldn't use Malone either. i'd probably rather be paid by the hour to show her how to use the bugzilla bug page though. ;)06:06
bradbAmaranth: though, clearly, you like the bugzilla bug page, and a lot of skilled users like you do too. in Malone, i think we can do even better.06:07
Amaranthso basically we need something that lets hackers get things done quickly (like bugzilla now) but is still usable for users06:07
bradbthat's the approach we're taking, yeah. i just landed a big patch (not yet rolled out into production), to hopefully reduce the mental burden on malone users trying to edit the status/priority/severity/etc. of a bug reported somewhere.06:08
bradbAmaranth: btw, if you want to send a mockup my way: brad.bollenbach@ubuntu.com.06:12
Amaranthit'll probably be next week when i get back home06:13
bradbAmaranth: (or any other malone feedback, for that matter)06:13
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mitsuhikohi06:39
bddebianHello mitsuhiko06:39
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ivokslol08:06
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ivoksbender totally rocks!08:07
ivokslol, i watch too much futurama :) it's bledner08:07
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DanielNivoks: i can seriously say that hdf5 builds (with warnings) .. but well, on x8608:36
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dooglusMez: I notice that k3b installs fine now in breezy.08:44
ivoksDanielN: yes, it builds on x8608:46
ivoksamd is real fun :)08:46
DanielNyeah that's wath i thought ;)08:47
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hervehi there!08:51
bddebianHeya herve08:51
DanielNhello herve :)08:52
hervehow's life in motuland?08:52
DanielNnais08:52
herveI take it for positive attitude ;-)08:53
DanielN:)08:53
bddebiannais?08:53
hervenothing...08:56
herve?08:56
DanielNwooho :) my first self written patch works :))08:57
hervetell us what "nais" means first :-)08:58
DanielNnais == nice08:58
bddebianahh08:59
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herveI expected a "nice" acronym :-)09:00
DanielNmhm09:00
DanielNlett me think about that :)09:00
DanielNsounds like a nice task09:00
bddebianNot a .. ..09:00
bddebianNot An Issue Shithead09:01
bddebiannope09:01
hervenot any incident so far?09:01
bddebianNice09:01
bddebianDanielN: Congrats btw09:01
hervehmm... bad english, forget about it09:01
bddebianNot Any Issues So far09:01
DanielNto find one09:01
DanielNbddebian: cxx trans?09:02
Amaranthnice == Not an Interesting Conversation ..09:02
Amaranthcan't think of a good E09:02
DanielNAmaranth: argh09:02
DanielNi thought about _recursive_ acronyms09:02
Amaranthargh == Assholes Rarely Generate Help09:03
Amaranth;)09:03
bddebianAmaranth: :-)09:03
DanielN:)09:04
DanielN:))09:04
DanielNhm .. doesn't debdiff mark added directories in debian/ ? (i.e patches/)09:08
DanielNargh .. interdiff is the magical word :)09:08
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tsengNafallo: where you working with me on beagle/amd64?09:25
tsengwere*09:25
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ivokshm... nokia, nokia, nokia09:26
herve??09:27
ivoksi quote: "Open source software is an ideal basis for development since it enables Nokia to leverage and contribute to speedy software innovation and development."09:27
ivoksthey are building new browser for series6009:27
ivoksbased on KHTML09:27
herveno, webcore09:27
ivoksacctually, on apples webocre09:28
ivoksright :)09:28
ivoksand in the same time, they fight aggainst that same opensource in europe09:28
DanielN there are smartphones from motorola around, running linux09:31
DanielN:)09:31
DanielNah herve: as you asked for motu news: yeah, there are! when is signed off by 2 motu's, so you have just to change your entry in the wiki, and it's ready :)09:33
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herveDanielN: remind me in 15 minutes09:34
ivoksi didn't sign anything :)09:35
DanielNyou marked it as ok :)09:35
DanielNdifferent meanings09:36
DanielNit think ;)09:36
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hervetssssss09:37
ivoksyou are too young to smoke09:37
herve:-)09:37
\shre09:37
\shi wanted to say that too :)09:37
hervepeople are either too young or too old to smoke09:37
\shreviewing time first09:37
\shor too dead to smoke ;)09:37
ivoksman, cigaretts really kill09:38
herve50 million people a year, I heard09:38
ivoksi smoke one sometimes, but that's like 20 in 2 weeks :)09:38
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\sh;)09:39
hervettt09:39
ivoksyou know, there is bigger chance you will die of cigaret, than from cancer?09:39
hervehmm09:39
\shI know there is a bigger change to die from a heart attack09:39
ivoksmake that tumor, not cancer09:39
herveyou don't catch a cancer by smoking?09:39
ivoksherve: you do, but not all cancers kill09:40
ivoksthose from someking do, but others don't09:40
\shbut lungcancer yes09:40
ivokseven AIDS doesn't kill like that09:41
ivoksbut those luckys really taste good :)09:41
herveno sorry, it just stinks09:42
ivoks:)09:42
ivoks;...(09:42
ivoksi still can't upload09:43
herveI'll upload after my phone call09:43
ivoksbtw, NM is great tool09:43
ivokshave to go now...09:44
herveNM?09:44
ivoksnetwork manager09:44
ivoksi have one buggy version09:44
ivoksbut does the job very good09:44
ivokswell... bye09:45
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DanielNherve: time to remind you ^^09:54
hervestill on the phone09:54
\shgrmpf..answered my work cell....have to go..laters dudes10:03
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hervere10:22
bddebianwb her10:22
bddebian(*&&^%*&%%10:23
DanielNwb10:23
bddebianerr wb herve10:23
mitsuhikowb10:23
mitsuhikohi10:28
mitsuhikoimportant question10:28
mitsuhikomaybe you know the linux day 2005 somewhere in Germany (no idea where...)10:28
mitsuhikodoes ubuntu has something like a contact person where users can talk to?10:28
hervetrulux, ping10:32
mitsuhikonobody any ideas?10:33
herveask on the devel list?10:34
mitsuhikoherve: i thought someone has any ideas10:34
herveor maybe there exists a better list10:34
mitsuhikohttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LinuxTag <== very empty10:34
hervecheck with the person who created/last modified the page10:35
mitsuhikoBoris Karnikowski from the Addison Wesley publishing house asked if there are any ubuntulinux members10:37
DanielNcould someone tell me, what is to do if i applied a source-code patch to a transition lib ?10:38
mitsuhikoBecause this publishing house has there a ubuntu book presentation10:38
DanielNmitushiko: why do you ask that just in MOTU10:39
DanielN?10:39
mitsuhikobecause I thought someone knows something about it10:39
mitsuhikoor because someone has compassion with me10:40
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TMMhello10:44
jbaileyTMM: =)10:44
TMMI salute you. ow MOFO's10:44
mitsuhikogood night boys10:44
TMMeuih10:44
mitsuhikocu10:44
TMMMOTU's :P10:44
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jbaileyAnyone around to show a potential MOTU the ropes?10:44
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TMMI am interested in adding some form of bootsplash stuff to ubuntu, basically10:46
TMMfor starters anyway :)10:46
jbaileyTMM: sladen has been the lead on that.10:46
tritiumTMM, have you looked into the usplash project that's being worked on by sladen?10:46
bddebianjbailey: You a potential MOTU??10:46
TMMah, I've heard a lot about this sladen dude now, :)10:46
TMMdidn't know about usplash10:47
bddebianHeya tritium10:47
tritiumHi there bddebian :)10:47
jbaileybddebian: I don't know if I'm considered a motu or not...10:47
bddebian:-)10:47
bddebianjbailey is just HMFIC10:47
TMMI'd like to join the ranks :)10:48
jbaileyHer Majesties Finest Ice Cream?10:48
TMMor at least, do some good, with or without any form of a title, I just want some help for now ;)10:48
bddebianHead Mother Fscker In Charge10:48
jbailey*lol*10:48
jbaileyCertainly that's not me.10:48
bddebian:-)10:48
herveDanielN, ping10:48
TMMYOU are the one fscking my disks? :)10:48
TMMhmm, that usplash sounds a lot like the idea I had10:50
tritiumTMM, one of the documents I recommend starting from is the Debian New Maintainer's Guide.10:50
TMMtritium, universe != ubuntu sid repo's right?10:51
tritiumTMM, the main wiki page, which contains many useful links is here: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/MOTU10:51
DanielNherve: pong10:51
DanielN:)10:51
herveDanielN, I can't access your archive so I can't review your package10:51
TMMeuh... debian sid... *sigh*10:52
tritiumTMM, right.  The best description of the various components is here, I believe: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view10:52
DanielNhttp://marissa.ath.cx/daniel/archive/breezy/10:53
DanielN??10:53
DanielNworks for me10:53
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herveDanielN, I hope so, it's your machine ;-)10:53
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hervetrulux, ping10:53
truluxherve: pong10:54
truluxherve: though I must go to bed10:54
hervequicly10:54
truluxherve: tell me10:54
herveI was talking about the libre software meeting in dijon with you?10:54
DanielNherve: so you couldn't access? or is it not reachable??10:55
herveDanielN, timeout10:55
truluxherve: yup10:55
hervetrulux, bad news, I can't go there, I'm still broek10:56
DanielNhrmpf .. time to reboot the router :/10:56
hervebroke10:56
truluxherve: I talked about meeting all of us (those who go there) together10:56
tritiumTMM, is that a good start?  Do you have any more questions?10:56
TMMtritium, it looks like it, thanks10:57
TMMtritium, I was already reading, sorry for the delay :)10:57
tritiumTMM, no problem.  :)10:58
herveDanielN, tomorrow now :-)10:58
TMMdoes anyone know if there is any actual code for the usplash stuff?10:59
TMMsladen? :)10:59
herveI hope he does know :-)11:00
hervenight all11:00
tritiumTMM, yes, there is a usplash page...let me find it11:00
TMMtritium, I'm on a wikipage, but it sounds like a lot of ideas, and very little implementation :)11:01
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sladenTMM: yeah ;-)11:03
TMMwell, I wanted to do some form of a framebuffer detect and setup utility anyway, might as well build it, whatever is going to be implemented, that is going to be required anyway11:04
tritiumTMM, this is the only code I found:  http://www.paul.sladen.org/projects/usplash/download/.  Is that the latest for public consumption, sladen?11:04
TMMletting the user figure out weither to use vga= or some arcane video= command is pretty pointless11:04
TMMthat, and that for instance, the intel cards can't do a linear framebuffer according to VESA 2.0 standards... so you need that specific driver for that11:05
TMMor be stuck in 16 colours11:05
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DanielNherve: i've rebooted my router, check back please :)11:06
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TMMtritium, looks good11:14
tritiumTMM, cool11:14
TMMstill, there's a need to configure the framebuffer correctly :)11:16
TMMI wish sladen was here :) but he's been idle for 13 minutes now, so I assume he just left11:17
sladenTMM: I'm always here, but they X hundred users who've just been down for an hoour whilst we upgrade their sat-modems are more immediate :-)11:19
TMMsladen, ahhhh yes, I can see that :)11:20
TMMsladen, I envision, pissed people ;)11:20
TMMsladen, I've got some thoughts on fading X too btw :)11:21
DanielNtime to sleep11:25
DanielNsee you all11:25
ruhibI use http://ubuntujava.yimports.com/11:27
tritiumGood luck, TMM.  See you around...11:38
TMMtritium, thanks :)11:39
tritium:)11:39
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Nafallotseng: with bugreporting, yes :-).11:56
tsengNafallo: hm right11:56
tsengNafallo: do you still have that gtk-sharp exception11:57
Nafallotseng: last time with blam today. pre-first_daily_update though.11:58
tsengum so11:58
tsengget the exception again please :)11:58
tsengand save it11:58
Nafallotseng: hehe, I'll try :-). I haven't figured out what makes it pop :-P.11:59
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