[12:01] <tseng> maybe i should update my desktop to breezy
[12:01] <tseng> oh
[12:01] <Nafallo> nothing much, chatting +webdev.
[12:01] <tseng> mythtv is broken
[12:01] <Nafallo> breezy rocks!
[12:01] <tseng> well
[12:01] <tseng> mythtv rocks more
[12:02] <Nafallo> 1-day bugs and stuff :-P
[12:05] <dooglus> how does a package get changed from a debian package to a ubuntu package of the same name?
[12:05] <Burgundavia> dooglus, most of the packages are simly rebuild automatically
[12:05] <Burgundavia> rebuilt even
[12:06] <Burgundavia> those that are -#ubuntu# have been changed by someone with ubuntu
[12:06] <dooglus> Burgundavia: for example, http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libc/libcurses-perl/libcurses-perl_1.12-1_i386.deb is a hundred kb of working binaries
[12:06] <Burgundavia> ok
[12:06] <dooglus> whereas http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libc/libcurses-perl/libcurses-perl_1.12-1_i386.deb is 7 kb of nothing much
[12:07] <dooglus> wouldn't it be better to just copy the file?  less chance of messing it up that way
[12:07] <Burgundavia> ubuntu takes the debian source and rebuilds it in an Ubuntu environment
[12:07] <Burgundavia> as we have some different things, like python
[12:08] <dooglus> Burgundavia: if the rebuild process is automatic, is it visible?  I mean, can I take a look at it and see why it is failing?
[12:08] <Burgundavia> here is build logs for that deb
[12:08] <Burgundavia> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/libc/libcurses-perl/
[12:11] <dooglus> thanks
[12:19] <dooglus> Burgundavia: do you know what command that log is the output from?
[12:19] <dooglus> Burgundavia: I just tried to reproduce the problem, but it builds and packages fine locally
[12:20] <dooglus> (using "apt-get source -b libcurses-perl")
[12:21] <Burgundavia> no idea
[12:21] <dooglus> hmmm, ok.
[12:22] <dooglus> thanks for the log url anyway.
[12:50] <pepsi> hrm
[12:50] <pepsi> whats this channel for?
[12:51] <ajmitch> ubuntu, masters of the universe, we deal with all the packages in the universe component of ubuntu
[12:51] <tseng> what are topics for? :P
[12:52] <pepsi> the topic lacks a description of what the channel is
[12:52] <pepsi> masters of the universe isnt the most obvious :P
[01:11] <Unfrgiven> morning all
[01:12] <crimsun> it'd make more sense to place http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU ahead of http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar :P
[01:16] <Mez> :P
[01:16] <Mez> change it yourslef you lazy bugger
[01:16] <Mez> o crimsun, I hear you'll be signing amaranth's key
[01:25] <tseng> that should cover it.
[01:27] <pepsi> thats a much better topic
[01:28] <Mez> lol
[01:29] <tseng> not that people actually read topics
[01:29] <doko> Please don't complain about anything for the next 8 weeks
[01:29] <tseng> doko: yep.
[01:30] <doko> tseng, by the way, may I complain about the mono2 bit?
[01:30] <Mez> thats better tseng
[01:30] <Mez> doko - yes, in #flood
[01:31] <tseng> doko:  i started it
[01:31] <doko> Mez: hmm, I think I like the pointer to the bug reporting system better ...
[01:31] <tseng> doko: it broke the 1.0 stuff in the process
[01:31] <doko> tseng: hmm, not nice
[01:31] <tseng> doko: so its not as easy as it initially looked
[01:31] <tseng> re splitting up 1.0 vs 2.0
[01:33] <doko> tseng: I'm doing Java in the meantime ...
[01:34] <Mez> o_O
[01:34] <Mez> hey seth
[01:36] <seth_k> ?
[04:13] <janm> hi
[04:15] <ivoks> hi
[04:17] <Mez> hey ivoks :D
[04:17] <Mez> still wiating for that apology :D
[04:17] <Mez> :P
[04:25] <ivoks> ?
[04:25] <ivoks> ah, sorry
[04:25] <ivoks> if that makes you smile ;)
[04:27] <Mez> lol
[04:27] <Mez> am just kidding around with ya :d
[04:27] <Mez> anyways L:D I did some wubbing to k3b and got it working for breezy
[04:27] <Mez> w00t
[06:43] <dooglus> Mez: you saw this, I take it?  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11535
[06:47] <seth_k> it's 6AM for mez, he's been asleep less than 2 hours. he'll notice it eventually though
[06:47] <dooglus> sure.
[07:55] <\sh> morning
[08:07] <Unfrgiven> \sh: hey dude
[08:07] <\sh> Hey Unfrgiven
[08:08] <Unfrgiven> \sh: how goes it?
[08:08] <\sh> Unfrgiven: just came to my office and started to work :)
[08:09] <Unfrgiven> \sh: ah right... its a public holiday here today =)
[08:09] <Unfrgiven> \sh: whats the state of the transition? how much is done now? anything needing to be done ugrently?
[08:10] <\sh> Unfrgiven: i will give libflash during this day a shot and I saw some fixes from ivoks..
[08:45] <\sh> guys...if you want fun in the office: http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/31-Thx-Aseigo-Long-time-ago,-there-was-a-Balmer,-a-crazy-one,-too..html
[08:51] <DanielN> \sh: couldn't look it here at office.. fsucking proxy :/
[09:17] <ivoks> hi
[11:08] <xerox> Hi!
[11:08] <xerox> Do you know where could I get the lastest gaim=
[11:08] <xerox> '?'
[11:13] <xerox> I think I found it, but I can't find a way to add it to sources.list.  It's there: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gaim/
[11:18] <DanielN> c++ heroes here?
[11:22] <ivoks> xerox: ?
[11:24] <xerox> ivoks, which source I have to add to get that repository?
[11:25] <xerox> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main ?
[11:25] <ivoks> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main
[11:25] <xerox> I think I've messed up my sources.list.
[11:26] <xerox> What is "restricted" ?
[11:26] <ivoks> repository of non-free packages
[11:27] <xerox> ivoks, can you point me to an example _safe_ sources.list for hoary?
[11:28] <ivoks> ?
[11:28] <ivoks> safe sources.list would be those two lines you have 4-5 lines ago :)
[11:30] <xerox> :(
[11:31] <ivoks> problems?
[11:31] <xerox> apt doesn't let me install anything
[11:32] <ivoks> maybe you should ask in #ubuntu, not here
[11:33] <xerox> Thanks much for the help ivoks!
[11:37] <DanielN> xerox: try sudo and ten apt command
[11:39] <xerox> DanielN I know I should do it as root :)
[11:39] <xerox> But that seem a problem in the gaim package...
[11:39] <xerox> gaim: Depends: gaim-data (= 1:1.1.4-1ubuntu4.2) but 1:1.3.1-1ubuntu1 is to be installed
[11:39] <xerox> E: Broken packages
[11:39] <ivoks> you were using backports
[11:40] <xerox> nope
[11:40] <xerox> deb http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main universe multiverse restricted
[11:40] <xerox> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main universe multiverse restricted
[11:40] <ivoks> apt-get update?
[11:41] <xerox> ivoks, I've done it many many times in the last 2 minutes
[11:41] <ivoks> apt-cache show gaim-data | grep Version
[11:41] <xerox> Version: 1:1.3.1-1ubuntu1
[11:41] <xerox> Version: 1:1.1.4-1ubuntu4.2
[11:41] <xerox> Version: 1:1.1.4-1ubuntu4
[11:41] <xerox> Does that mean I have 3 gaim-data installed ? O_o
[11:42] <DanielN> yep
[11:42] <xerox> ugh.
[11:42] <ivoks> no
[11:42] <xerox> :)
[11:42] <ivoks> that means you have three sources for it
[11:42] <xerox> Better.
[11:42] <DanielN> not really
[11:42] <ivoks> sudo apt-get install gaim-data
[11:42] <DanielN> ;)
[11:42] <ivoks> you see..
[11:42] <xerox> gaim-data is already the newest version.
[11:42] <ivoks> that one 1:1.3.1-1ubuntu1 isn't from hoary
[11:42] <ivoks> you used backports
[11:42] <ivoks> period
[11:43] <xerox> $ apt-cache policy gaim-data | grep Installed
[11:43] <xerox>   Installed: 1:1.3.1-1ubuntu1
[11:43] <ivoks> you have to remove gaim-data, and then install it again
[11:43] <xerox> ??
[11:43] <xerox> But it0s here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gaim/
[11:43] <ivoks> you installed version that is NOT in ubuntu
[11:43] <ivoks> xerox: that's gaim for breezy
[11:43] <ivoks> not hoary
[11:43] <xerox> oh.
[11:44] <ivoks> remove it
[11:44] <xerox> I didn't use backports you see :( I'm not lying!
[11:44] <ivoks> yeah, you did something even worse :)
[11:44] <xerox> Removed.
[11:44] <xerox> Sorry :(
[11:45] <ivoks> now install gaim
[11:45] <xerox> apt-cache policy {gaim,gaim-data}  still show 1.3.1
[11:46] <ivoks> from where
[11:46] <xerox> I deleted the .debs and it installs 1.1.4
[11:46] <xerox> OK, now it works, but gaim is old :)
[11:47] <xerox> #ubuntu topic says "DO NOT USE BREEZY YET", so I suppose there is no way to get an update gaim.  Right?
[11:48] <ivoks> sure there is
[11:48] <ivoks> download source and compile it
[11:48] <xerox> Right.
[11:49] <xerox> ...but I would be irrespectful to your hard job in packaging ;)
[11:51] <ivoks> doko: openscenegraph and opencv should build fine now... :)
[11:54] <DanielN> \sh: wouldn't you say something to me?? :)
[12:02] <Mez> dooglus: er no i didnt notice, but - meh - it still doesnt work with that manul libdepnds changed, but - when it was build it auto lib-depends n tha
[01:14] <DanielN> has someone here a good document, to find out the main build errors with gcc4 ?
[01:14] <DanielN> or the main changes in building
[02:02] <\sh> back
[02:03] <\sh> DanielN: there is a document
[02:04] <\sh> DanielN: http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.0/changes.html and http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-3.4/changes.html#cplusplus
[02:23] <DanielN> \sh: yep, that hasn't aided (or however) me... :/
[02:28] <DanielN> error: explicit qualification in declaration
[02:28] <DanielN> that's stated (i googled already, without much helpful information)
[02:35] <\sh> DanielN: did u check the source line? paste the sourceline into jabber please :) or give me a build log
[02:37] <Riddell> what's the current recommendation on 0.6beta1 style version numbers?
[02:37] <DanielN> \sh:
[02:37] <DanielN> inline std::string SigCPerl::get_string(SV *val) throw()
[02:39] <\sh> remove the inline
[02:39] <\sh> (try it at least) ;)
[02:39] <DanielN> ;)
[02:40] <\sh> i had a similar issue with it
[02:40] <\sh> hot shot ... i don't know if this is it
[02:43] <DanielN> i hpe not, because there ar thousands of inline's :((
[02:52] <DanielN> \sh: err, but i can't remove inline.. i must replace ist with another function (which one? pah.. no idea :) )
[02:52] <\sh> DanielN: which source?
[02:54] <DanielN> hmm?
[02:54] <DanielN> source package?
[02:55] <DanielN> sigcperl (breezy of course)
[02:56] <\sh> DanielN: which file and line?
[02:57] <DanielN> argh
[02:57] <DanielN> sorry, i'm a bit scratched-off :)
[02:57] <DanielN> convert.h line 71
[02:58] <bddebian> Howdy
[02:58] <\sh> ah
[02:59] <\sh> inline std::string SigCPerl::get_string(SV *val) throw()
[02:59] <\sh> try this:
[02:59] <\sh> inline std::string get_string(SV *val) throw()
[02:59] <\sh> he was repeating the namespace identifieer
[03:00] <DanielN> ok
[03:00] <DanielN> i'll try
[03:05] <DanielN> \sh: no more errors about line 71!
[03:05] <DanielN> but several others
[03:06] <DanielN> :)
[03:09] <DanielN> WOOOHO :))
[03:09] <DanielN> it builds fine now, \sh thanks alot
[03:10] <DanielN> erm.. but i don't have too apply a patch now? simply provide the debdiff between old and new, right?
[03:10] <\sh> DanielN: u have to check...namespace ... { [...] } if the namespace is not closed, g++4 will raise errors for using namespace identifiers inside the function declaration
[03:28] <DanielN> \sh: ok, what about the above question (about the patch) ?
[03:44] <\sh> DanielN: no..
[03:46] <\sh> DanielN: do this: mkdir patchwork ; cd patchwork ; tar -xvzf sigcperl_0.2.0.orig.tar.gz ; mv sigcperl-0.2.0.orig sigcperl-0.2.0.orig.patched ; tar -xvzf sigcperl_0.2.0.orig.tar.gz
[03:46] <\sh> cd sigcperl-0.2.0.orig.patched
[03:46] <\sh> patch your source
[03:46] <\sh> cd ..
[03:46] <\sh> diff -ur sigcperl-0.2.0.orig sigcperl-0.2.0.orig.patched > 01_gcc4.patch
[03:46] <\sh> cd ..
[03:46] <\sh> cd sigcperl-0.2.0
[03:46] <\sh> cd debian
[03:47] <\sh> mkdir patches
[03:47] <\sh> cp ../../patchwork/01_gcc4.patch patches/
[03:47] <\sh> vi rules and add some patch targets
[03:47] <\sh> and also some unpatch targets :)
[03:48] <\sh> then u have a clean debianized source and apply the patches during buildtime
[03:49] <DanielN> yeah, thanks!
[03:49] <DanielN> Cxx trans is good for learning much i think
[03:54] <\sh> :)
[04:01] <\sh> ok..going home now
[04:44] <ivoks> DanielN: ping
[04:45] <DanielN> ivoks: pong
[04:46] <DanielN> all: if i use dpatch, it must be a build-depend, right?
[04:46] <ivoks> DanielN: is cppopt finished?
[04:46] <ivoks> i never used dpatch :)
[04:46] <DanielN> well, i think (for me it's ok)
[04:49] <ivoks> i'm pretty sure hdf5 is FTBS :)
[04:49] <ivoks> this is very dificult package...
[04:50] <ivoks> put a comment there: waiting for new debian release
[04:50] <ivoks> cause, debian will bring new release that will be buildable on amd64 with g++4
[04:52] <DanielN> ivoks: FTBS ?
[04:52] <ivoks> failed to build source
[04:52] <DanielN> ah
[04:52] <ivoks> i worked on that one
[04:52] <ivoks> very difficult
[04:52] <DanielN> argh
[04:53] <DanielN> i'll check it then
[04:53] <DanielN> and add a comment
[04:53] <ivoks> put comment - waiting for new debian release
[04:53] <DanielN> yep
[04:53] <ivoks> i talked with debian maintainer of that package
[04:53] <ivoks> he said he's working on new version
[04:53] <DanielN> ivoks: remember me tonight again, when i'm at home
[04:53] <DanielN> :)
[04:54] <ivoks> who knows will I be here
[05:04] <DanielN> ivoks: i'm sure you'll ;)
[05:04] <DanielN> so, time to go.. fscking patch has time until tomorrow :))
[05:04] <DanielN> see ya later on
[05:35] <bradb> hey uber hackers
[05:36] <bradb> malone usability question: what do you guys think about the current ordering of comments?
[05:38] <Amaranth> on a 26k connection, give me a minute to load it up
[05:39] <Amaranth> bradb: got an example of a bug with comments? :)
[05:39] <bradb> Amaranth: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/889
[05:40] <Amaranth> you do know malone has horizontal scrollbars at 800x600, right?
[05:40] <Lathiat> it looks ugly anyway
[05:41] <Lathiat> soassumedly
[05:41] <Lathiat> theyll do something about that
[05:41] <Amaranth> hehe
[05:41] <ivoks> hi
[05:41] <Amaranth> get sgarrity to work on it for you :D
[05:42] <Amaranth> bradb: you've seen how the forums work, right?
[05:42] <Amaranth> you click the little reply button on a post to reply to it?
[05:42] <bradb> Amaranth: when, let's take this one step at a time here...
[05:42] <bradb> Amaranth: first, what do you guys think of the ordering of comments on the bug page?
[05:42] <Amaranth> i'm just talking about comments here
[05:43] <Amaranth> you have them ordered by date with the latest comment first?
[05:43] <bradb> Amaranth: yes
[05:43] <Amaranth> should be the other way around if you expect people to actually read them
[05:44] <bradb> i agree ;)
[05:44] <bradb> just wanted to make sure we're on the same page before i talk to sabdfl about it
[05:52] <bradb> Amaranth: yes, i'm aware of the horiz scrolling at 800x600. just like bugzilla, right?
[05:52] <Amaranth> let me check bugzilla
[05:53] <bradb> e.g. https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1291
[05:55] <Amaranth> i'll get back to you in a year when it finishes loading :)
[05:55] <bddebian> heh
[05:55] <Lathiat> haha
[05:55] <Amaranth> i think it stalled
[05:56] <bradb> Amaranth: 26k sounds like cruel and unusual punishment
[05:56] <Lathiat> cus you hit refresh and it only took a month?
[05:56] <Amaranth> so far though i only have a very small horiz scrollbar
[05:56] <Amaranth> bradb: it is
[05:56] <Amaranth> bradb: i'm stuck with this for a week
[05:57] <Amaranth> ok, the horizontal scrollbar with bugzilla is close to the size of the one in malone
[05:57] <Amaranth> but things aren't as squished as they are in malone :)
[05:58] <bradb> Amaranth: in your ideal world, how would the Malone bug page be improved to suit your taste?
[05:58] <Lathiat> with a dbi
[05:58] <Amaranth> bradb: I've been meaning to make a mockup of that.
[06:00] <bradb> Amaranth: a mockup? wow, that'd be some hardcore user feedback. ;) by all means. i'd love to see it.
[06:01] <Amaranth> bradb: basically it'd just look like bugzilla though :)
[06:02] <bradb> Amaranth: IOW, you don't think bugzilla's bug page can be improved?
[06:02] <Amaranth> i think it can be, but not much
[06:03] <bradb> ok
[06:05] <bradb> Amaranth: what about for people who aren't skilled hackers? would your grandma be able to use the bugzilla bug page, for example?
[06:05] <Amaranth> bradb: she couldn't use malone either :)
[06:05] <Amaranth> but that's not fair, she can't even use firefox
[06:06] <bradb> Amaranth: i agree that she couldn't use Malone either. i'd probably rather be paid by the hour to show her how to use the bugzilla bug page though. ;)
[06:07] <bradb> Amaranth: though, clearly, you like the bugzilla bug page, and a lot of skilled users like you do too. in Malone, i think we can do even better.
[06:07] <Amaranth> so basically we need something that lets hackers get things done quickly (like bugzilla now) but is still usable for users
[06:08] <bradb> that's the approach we're taking, yeah. i just landed a big patch (not yet rolled out into production), to hopefully reduce the mental burden on malone users trying to edit the status/priority/severity/etc. of a bug reported somewhere.
[06:12] <bradb> Amaranth: btw, if you want to send a mockup my way: brad.bollenbach@ubuntu.com.
[06:13] <Amaranth> it'll probably be next week when i get back home
[06:13] <bradb> Amaranth: (or any other malone feedback, for that matter)
[06:39] <mitsuhiko> hi
[06:39] <bddebian> Hello mitsuhiko
[08:06] <ivoks> lol
[08:07] <ivoks> bender totally rocks!
[08:07] <ivoks> lol, i watch too much futurama :) it's bledner
[08:36] <DanielN> ivoks: i can seriously say that hdf5 builds (with warnings) .. but well, on x86
[08:44] <dooglus> Mez: I notice that k3b installs fine now in breezy.
[08:46] <ivoks> DanielN: yes, it builds on x86
[08:46] <ivoks> amd is real fun :)
[08:47] <DanielN> yeah that's wath i thought ;)
[08:51] <herve> hi there!
[08:51] <bddebian> Heya herve
[08:52] <DanielN> hello herve :)
[08:52] <herve> how's life in motuland?
[08:52] <DanielN> nais
[08:53] <herve> I take it for positive attitude ;-)
[08:53] <DanielN> :)
[08:53] <bddebian> nais?
[08:56] <herve> nothing...
[08:56] <herve> ?
[08:57] <DanielN> wooho :) my first self written patch works :))
[08:58] <herve> tell us what "nais" means first :-)
[08:58] <DanielN> nais == nice
[08:59] <bddebian> ahh
[09:00] <herve> I expected a "nice" acronym :-)
[09:00] <DanielN> mhm
[09:00] <DanielN> lett me think about that :)
[09:00] <DanielN> sounds like a nice task
[09:00] <bddebian> Not a .. ..
[09:01] <bddebian> Not An Issue Shithead
[09:01] <bddebian> nope
[09:01] <herve> not any incident so far?
[09:01] <bddebian> Nice
[09:01] <bddebian> DanielN: Congrats btw
[09:01] <herve> hmm... bad english, forget about it
[09:01] <bddebian> Not Any Issues So far
[09:01] <DanielN> to find one
[09:02] <DanielN> bddebian: cxx trans?
[09:02] <Amaranth> nice == Not an Interesting Conversation ..
[09:02] <Amaranth> can't think of a good E
[09:02] <DanielN> Amaranth: argh
[09:02] <DanielN> i thought about _recursive_ acronyms
[09:03] <Amaranth> argh == Assholes Rarely Generate Help
[09:03] <Amaranth> ;)
[09:03] <bddebian> Amaranth: :-)
[09:04] <DanielN> :)
[09:04] <DanielN> :))
[09:08] <DanielN> hm .. doesn't debdiff mark added directories in debian/ ? (i.e patches/)
[09:08] <DanielN> argh .. interdiff is the magical word :)
[09:25] <tseng> Nafallo: where you working with me on beagle/amd64?
[09:25] <tseng> were*
[09:26] <ivoks> hm... nokia, nokia, nokia
[09:27] <herve> ??
[09:27] <ivoks> i quote: "Open source software is an ideal basis for development since it enables Nokia to leverage and contribute to speedy software innovation and development."
[09:27] <ivoks> they are building new browser for series60
[09:27] <ivoks> based on KHTML
[09:27] <herve> no, webcore
[09:28] <ivoks> acctually, on apples webocre
[09:28] <ivoks> right :)
[09:28] <ivoks> and in the same time, they fight aggainst that same opensource in europe
[09:31] <DanielN>  there are smartphones from motorola around, running linux
[09:31] <DanielN> :)
[09:33] <DanielN> ah herve: as you asked for motu news: yeah, there are! when is signed off by 2 motu's, so you have just to change your entry in the wiki, and it's ready :)
[09:34] <herve> DanielN: remind me in 15 minutes
[09:35] <ivoks> i didn't sign anything :)
[09:35] <DanielN> you marked it as ok :)
[09:36] <DanielN> different meanings
[09:36] <DanielN> it think ;)
[09:37] <herve> tssssss
[09:37] <ivoks> you are too young to smoke
[09:37] <herve> :-)
[09:37] <\sh> re
[09:37] <\sh> i wanted to say that too :)
[09:37] <herve> people are either too young or too old to smoke
[09:37] <\sh> reviewing time first
[09:37] <\sh> or too dead to smoke ;)
[09:38] <ivoks> man, cigaretts really kill
[09:38] <herve> 50 million people a year, I heard
[09:38] <ivoks> i smoke one sometimes, but that's like 20 in 2 weeks :)
[09:39] <\sh> ;)
[09:39] <herve> ttt
[09:39] <ivoks> you know, there is bigger chance you will die of cigaret, than from cancer?
[09:39] <herve> hmm
[09:39] <\sh> I know there is a bigger change to die from a heart attack
[09:39] <ivoks> make that tumor, not cancer
[09:39] <herve> you don't catch a cancer by smoking?
[09:40] <ivoks> herve: you do, but not all cancers kill
[09:40] <ivoks> those from someking do, but others don't
[09:40] <\sh> but lungcancer yes
[09:41] <ivoks> even AIDS doesn't kill like that
[09:41] <ivoks> but those luckys really taste good :)
[09:42] <herve> no sorry, it just stinks
[09:42] <ivoks> :)
[09:42] <ivoks> ;...(
[09:43] <ivoks> i still can't upload
[09:43] <herve> I'll upload after my phone call
[09:43] <ivoks> btw, NM is great tool
[09:44] <ivoks> have to go now...
[09:44] <herve> NM?
[09:44] <ivoks> network manager
[09:44] <ivoks> i have one buggy version
[09:44] <ivoks> but does the job very good
[09:45] <ivoks> well... bye
[09:54] <DanielN> herve: time to remind you ^^
[09:54] <herve> still on the phone
[10:03] <\sh> grmpf..answered my work cell....have to go..laters dudes
[10:22] <herve> re
[10:22] <bddebian> wb her
[10:23] <bddebian> (*&&^%*&%%
[10:23] <DanielN> wb
[10:23] <bddebian> err wb herve
[10:23] <mitsuhiko> wb
[10:28] <mitsuhiko> hi
[10:28] <mitsuhiko> important question
[10:28] <mitsuhiko> maybe you know the linux day 2005 somewhere in Germany (no idea where...)
[10:28] <mitsuhiko> does ubuntu has something like a contact person where users can talk to?
[10:32] <herve> trulux, ping
[10:33] <mitsuhiko> nobody any ideas?
[10:34] <herve> ask on the devel list?
[10:34] <mitsuhiko> herve: i thought someone has any ideas
[10:34] <herve> or maybe there exists a better list
[10:34] <mitsuhiko> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LinuxTag <== very empty
[10:35] <herve> check with the person who created/last modified the page
[10:37] <mitsuhiko> Boris Karnikowski from the Addison Wesley publishing house asked if there are any ubuntulinux members
[10:38] <DanielN> could someone tell me, what is to do if i applied a source-code patch to a transition lib ?
[10:38] <mitsuhiko> Because this publishing house has there a ubuntu book presentation
[10:39] <DanielN> mitushiko: why do you ask that just in MOTU
[10:39] <DanielN> ?
[10:39] <mitsuhiko> because I thought someone knows something about it
[10:40] <mitsuhiko> or because someone has compassion with me
[10:44] <TMM> hello
[10:44] <jbailey> TMM: =)
[10:44] <TMM> I salute you. ow MOFO's
[10:44] <mitsuhiko> good night boys
[10:44] <TMM> euih
[10:44] <mitsuhiko> cu
[10:44] <TMM> MOTU's :P
[10:44] <jbailey> Anyone around to show a potential MOTU the ropes?
[10:46] <TMM> I am interested in adding some form of bootsplash stuff to ubuntu, basically
[10:46] <TMM> for starters anyway :)
[10:46] <jbailey> TMM: sladen has been the lead on that.
[10:46] <tritium> TMM, have you looked into the usplash project that's being worked on by sladen?
[10:46] <bddebian> jbailey: You a potential MOTU??
[10:46] <TMM> ah, I've heard a lot about this sladen dude now, :)
[10:47] <TMM> didn't know about usplash
[10:47] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[10:47] <tritium> Hi there bddebian :)
[10:47] <jbailey> bddebian: I don't know if I'm considered a motu or not...
[10:47] <bddebian> :-)
[10:47] <bddebian> jbailey is just HMFIC
[10:48] <TMM> I'd like to join the ranks :)
[10:48] <jbailey> Her Majesties Finest Ice Cream?
[10:48] <TMM> or at least, do some good, with or without any form of a title, I just want some help for now ;)
[10:48] <bddebian> Head Mother Fscker In Charge
[10:48] <jbailey> *lol*
[10:48] <jbailey> Certainly that's not me.
[10:48] <bddebian> :-)
[10:48] <herve> DanielN, ping
[10:48] <TMM> YOU are the one fscking my disks? :)
[10:50] <TMM> hmm, that usplash sounds a lot like the idea I had
[10:50] <tritium> TMM, one of the documents I recommend starting from is the Debian New Maintainer's Guide.
[10:51] <TMM> tritium, universe != ubuntu sid repo's right?
[10:51] <tritium> TMM, the main wiki page, which contains many useful links is here: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/MOTU
[10:51] <DanielN> herve: pong
[10:51] <DanielN> :)
[10:51] <herve> DanielN, I can't access your archive so I can't review your package
[10:52] <TMM> euh... debian sid... *sigh*
[10:52] <tritium> TMM, right.  The best description of the various components is here, I believe: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[10:53] <DanielN> http://marissa.ath.cx/daniel/archive/breezy/
[10:53] <DanielN> ??
[10:53] <DanielN> works for me
[10:53] <herve> DanielN, I hope so, it's your machine ;-)
[10:53] <herve> trulux, ping
[10:54] <trulux> herve: pong
[10:54] <trulux> herve: though I must go to bed
[10:54] <herve> quicly
[10:54] <trulux> herve: tell me
[10:54] <herve> I was talking about the libre software meeting in dijon with you?
[10:55] <DanielN> herve: so you couldn't access? or is it not reachable??
[10:55] <herve> DanielN, timeout
[10:55] <trulux> herve: yup
[10:56] <herve> trulux, bad news, I can't go there, I'm still broek
[10:56] <DanielN> hrmpf .. time to reboot the router :/
[10:56] <herve> broke
[10:56] <trulux> herve: I talked about meeting all of us (those who go there) together
[10:56] <tritium> TMM, is that a good start?  Do you have any more questions?
[10:57] <TMM> tritium, it looks like it, thanks
[10:57] <TMM> tritium, I was already reading, sorry for the delay :)
[10:58] <tritium> TMM, no problem.  :)
[10:58] <herve> DanielN, tomorrow now :-)
[10:59] <TMM> does anyone know if there is any actual code for the usplash stuff?
[10:59] <TMM> sladen? :)
[11:00] <herve> I hope he does know :-)
[11:00] <herve> night all
[11:00] <tritium> TMM, yes, there is a usplash page...let me find it
[11:01] <TMM> tritium, I'm on a wikipage, but it sounds like a lot of ideas, and very little implementation :)
[11:03] <sladen> TMM: yeah ;-)
[11:04] <TMM> well, I wanted to do some form of a framebuffer detect and setup utility anyway, might as well build it, whatever is going to be implemented, that is going to be required anyway
[11:04] <tritium> TMM, this is the only code I found:  http://www.paul.sladen.org/projects/usplash/download/.  Is that the latest for public consumption, sladen?
[11:04] <TMM> letting the user figure out weither to use vga= or some arcane video= command is pretty pointless
[11:05] <TMM> that, and that for instance, the intel cards can't do a linear framebuffer according to VESA 2.0 standards... so you need that specific driver for that
[11:05] <TMM> or be stuck in 16 colours
[11:06] <DanielN> herve: i've rebooted my router, check back please :)
[11:14] <TMM> tritium, looks good
[11:14] <tritium> TMM, cool
[11:16] <TMM> still, there's a need to configure the framebuffer correctly :)
[11:17] <TMM> I wish sladen was here :) but he's been idle for 13 minutes now, so I assume he just left
[11:19] <sladen> TMM: I'm always here, but they X hundred users who've just been down for an hoour whilst we upgrade their sat-modems are more immediate :-)
[11:20] <TMM> sladen, ahhhh yes, I can see that :)
[11:20] <TMM> sladen, I envision, pissed people ;)
[11:21] <TMM> sladen, I've got some thoughts on fading X too btw :)
[11:25] <DanielN> time to sleep
[11:25] <DanielN> see you all
[11:27] <ruhib> I use http://ubuntujava.yimports.com/
[11:38] <tritium> Good luck, TMM.  See you around...
[11:39] <TMM> tritium, thanks :)
[11:39] <tritium> :)
[11:56] <Nafallo> tseng: with bugreporting, yes :-).
[11:56] <tseng> Nafallo: hm right
[11:57] <tseng> Nafallo: do you still have that gtk-sharp exception
[11:58] <Nafallo> tseng: last time with blam today. pre-first_daily_update though.
[11:58] <tseng> um so
[11:58] <tseng> get the exception again please :)
[11:58] <tseng> and save it
[11:59] <Nafallo> tseng: hehe, I'll try :-). I haven't figured out what makes it pop :-P.