[12:01] maybe i should update my desktop to breezy [12:01] oh [12:01] nothing much, chatting +webdev. [12:01] mythtv is broken [12:01] breezy rocks! [12:01] well [12:01] mythtv rocks more [12:02] 1-day bugs and stuff :-P [12:05] how does a package get changed from a debian package to a ubuntu package of the same name? [12:05] dooglus, most of the packages are simly rebuild automatically [12:05] rebuilt even [12:06] those that are -#ubuntu# have been changed by someone with ubuntu [12:06] Burgundavia: for example, http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libc/libcurses-perl/libcurses-perl_1.12-1_i386.deb is a hundred kb of working binaries [12:06] ok [12:06] whereas http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libc/libcurses-perl/libcurses-perl_1.12-1_i386.deb is 7 kb of nothing much [12:07] wouldn't it be better to just copy the file? less chance of messing it up that way [12:07] ubuntu takes the debian source and rebuilds it in an Ubuntu environment [12:07] as we have some different things, like python [12:08] Burgundavia: if the rebuild process is automatic, is it visible? I mean, can I take a look at it and see why it is failing? [12:08] here is build logs for that deb [12:08] http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/libc/libcurses-perl/ [12:11] thanks [12:19] Burgundavia: do you know what command that log is the output from? [12:19] Burgundavia: I just tried to reproduce the problem, but it builds and packages fine locally [12:20] (using "apt-get source -b libcurses-perl") [12:21] no idea [12:21] hmmm, ok. [12:22] thanks for the log url anyway. === ajmitch [~ajmitch@port162-209.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pepsi [~pepsi@72-254-51-238.client.stsn.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:50] hrm [12:50] whats this channel for? [12:51] ubuntu, masters of the universe, we deal with all the packages in the universe component of ubuntu [12:51] what are topics for? :P [12:52] the topic lacks a description of what the channel is [12:52] masters of the universe isnt the most obvious :P === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia curses legal crap === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:Mez] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers| http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks | Please dont complain about X for the next 2 weeks === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:Mez] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks | Please dont complain about X for the next 2 weeks === Unfrgiven [~ankur@202.76.176.94] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:11] morning all [01:12] it'd make more sense to place http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU ahead of http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar :P === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:Mez] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks | Please dont complain about X for the next 2 weeks [01:16] :P [01:16] change it yourslef you lazy bugger [01:16] o crimsun, I hear you'll be signing amaranth's key === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:tseng] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks | Please dont complain about X for the next 2 weeks || Dont complain period [01:25] that should cover it. [01:27] thats a much better topic [01:28] lol [01:29] not that people actually read topics [01:29] Please don't complain about anything for the next 8 weeks [01:29] doko: yep. === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:Mez] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks | Please dont complain about X for the next 2 weeks || If you wish to complain about anything, complain in #flood [01:30] tseng, by the way, may I complain about the mono2 bit? [01:30] thats better tseng === doko hides [01:30] doko - yes, in #flood [01:31] doko: i started it === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:31] Mez: hmm, I think I like the pointer to the bug reporting system better ... [01:31] doko: it broke the 1.0 stuff in the process [01:31] tseng: hmm, not nice [01:31] doko: so its not as easy as it initially looked [01:31] re splitting up 1.0 vs 2.0 [01:33] tseng: I'm doing Java in the meantime ... === seth_k [~seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:34] o_O [01:34] hey seth [01:36] ? === rcrochet [~rcrochet@cpe-68-203-229-40.gt.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Owner [Owner@0-3pool240-131.nas1.sioux-city1.ia.us.da.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0905.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [~jaldhar@pcp09354467pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [pamermor@0-1pool245-114.nas1.sioux-city1.ia.us.da.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [~jm__@202.172.110.139] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:13] hi [04:15] hi [04:17] hey ivoks :D [04:17] still wiating for that apology :D [04:17] :P [04:25] ? [04:25] ah, sorry [04:25] if that makes you smile ;) [04:27] lol [04:27] am just kidding around with ya :d [04:27] anyways L:D I did some wubbing to k3b and got it working for breezy [04:27] w00t === |QuaD- [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax8-248.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k [~seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === anibal [ams@ns1.mssinc.biz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === anibal [ams@ns1.mssinc.biz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:43] Mez: you saw this, I take it? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11535 [06:47] it's 6AM for mez, he's been asleep less than 2 hours. he'll notice it eventually though [06:47] sure. === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax7-168.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:55] <\sh> morning [08:07] \sh: hey dude [08:07] <\sh> Hey Unfrgiven [08:08] \sh: how goes it? [08:08] <\sh> Unfrgiven: just came to my office and started to work :) [08:09] \sh: ah right... its a public holiday here today =) [08:09] \sh: whats the state of the transition? how much is done now? anything needing to be done ugrently? [08:10] <\sh> Unfrgiven: i will give libflash during this day a shot and I saw some fixes from ivoks.. === ozamosi [~ozamosi@80.252.185.147] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [~jm__@202.172.110.139] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DanielN [~KodiaK@162.23.4.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:45] <\sh> guys...if you want fun in the office: http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/31-Thx-Aseigo-Long-time-ago,-there-was-a-Balmer,-a-crazy-one,-too..html [08:51] \sh: couldn't look it here at office.. fsucking proxy :/ === ivoks [~ivoks@wall.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:17] hi === ivoks [~ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Danten [~danten@h98n3c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [~gervystar@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Choubaka [choubaka@ihme.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === astharot [~isager@host250-27.pool62110.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pepsi [~pepsi@72-254-51-238.client.stsn.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === xerox [~xerox@adsl-59-162.37-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:08] Hi! [11:08] Do you know where could I get the lastest gaim= [11:08] '?' === ivoks [~ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:13] I think I found it, but I can't find a way to add it to sources.list. It's there: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gaim/ [11:18] c++ heroes here? === Seveas [~seveas@ksl403-uva-148.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke__ [~koke@155.210.13.152] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:22] xerox: ? [11:24] ivoks, which source I have to add to get that repository? [11:25] deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main ? [11:25] deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main [11:25] I think I've messed up my sources.list. [11:26] What is "restricted" ? [11:26] repository of non-free packages [11:27] ivoks, can you point me to an example _safe_ sources.list for hoary? === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.215.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:28] ? [11:28] safe sources.list would be those two lines you have 4-5 lines ago :) [11:30] :( [11:31] problems? [11:31] apt doesn't let me install anything [11:32] maybe you should ask in #ubuntu, not here === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.151] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:33] Thanks much for the help ivoks! [11:37] xerox: try sudo and ten apt command [11:39] DanielN I know I should do it as root :) [11:39] But that seem a problem in the gaim package... [11:39] gaim: Depends: gaim-data (= 1:1.1.4-1ubuntu4.2) but 1:1.3.1-1ubuntu1 is to be installed [11:39] E: Broken packages [11:39] you were using backports [11:40] nope [11:40] deb http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main universe multiverse restricted [11:40] deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main universe multiverse restricted [11:40] apt-get update? [11:41] ivoks, I've done it many many times in the last 2 minutes [11:41] apt-cache show gaim-data | grep Version [11:41] Version: 1:1.3.1-1ubuntu1 [11:41] Version: 1:1.1.4-1ubuntu4.2 [11:41] Version: 1:1.1.4-1ubuntu4 [11:41] Does that mean I have 3 gaim-data installed ? O_o [11:42] yep [11:42] ugh. [11:42] no [11:42] :) [11:42] that means you have three sources for it [11:42] Better. [11:42] not really [11:42] sudo apt-get install gaim-data [11:42] ;) [11:42] you see.. [11:42] gaim-data is already the newest version. [11:42] that one 1:1.3.1-1ubuntu1 isn't from hoary [11:42] you used backports [11:42] period [11:43] $ apt-cache policy gaim-data | grep Installed [11:43] Installed: 1:1.3.1-1ubuntu1 [11:43] you have to remove gaim-data, and then install it again [11:43] ?? [11:43] But it0s here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gaim/ [11:43] you installed version that is NOT in ubuntu [11:43] xerox: that's gaim for breezy [11:43] not hoary [11:43] oh. [11:44] remove it [11:44] I didn't use backports you see :( I'm not lying! [11:44] yeah, you did something even worse :) [11:44] Removed. [11:44] Sorry :( [11:45] now install gaim [11:45] apt-cache policy {gaim,gaim-data} still show 1.3.1 [11:46] from where [11:46] I deleted the .debs and it installs 1.1.4 [11:46] OK, now it works, but gaim is old :) [11:47] #ubuntu topic says "DO NOT USE BREEZY YET", so I suppose there is no way to get an update gaim. Right? [11:48] sure there is [11:48] download source and compile it [11:48] Right. [11:49] ...but I would be irrespectful to your hard job in packaging ;) [11:51] doko: openscenegraph and opencv should build fine now... :) [11:54] \sh: wouldn't you say something to me?? :) === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:02] dooglus: er no i didnt notice, but - meh - it still doesnt work with that manul libdepnds changed, but - when it was build it auto lib-depends n tha === \S2 [~s2@host93-128.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [~doko___@dsl-084-059-038-218.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === astharot- [~isager@host250-27.pool62110.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:14] has someone here a good document, to find out the main build errors with gcc4 ? [01:14] or the main changes in building === susus_ [~sz@p5089D69E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thesaltydog [~yoshi@host194-61.pool8023.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.151] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vj [~whang@60-240-9-122-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thesaltydog [~yoshi@host194-61.pool8023.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Sto] === jamessan|work [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:02] <\sh> back [02:03] <\sh> DanielN: there is a document [02:04] <\sh> DanielN: http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.0/changes.html and http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-3.4/changes.html#cplusplus [02:23] \sh: yep, that hasn't aided (or however) me... :/ [02:28] error: explicit qualification in declaration [02:28] that's stated (i googled already, without much helpful information) [02:35] <\sh> DanielN: did u check the source line? paste the sourceline into jabber please :) or give me a build log [02:37] what's the current recommendation on 0.6beta1 style version numbers? [02:37] \sh: [02:37] inline std::string SigCPerl::get_string(SV *val) throw() [02:39] <\sh> remove the inline [02:39] <\sh> (try it at least) ;) [02:39] ;) [02:40] <\sh> i had a similar issue with it [02:40] <\sh> hot shot ... i don't know if this is it [02:43] i hpe not, because there ar thousands of inline's :(( [02:52] \sh: err, but i can't remove inline.. i must replace ist with another function (which one? pah.. no idea :) ) [02:52] <\sh> DanielN: which source? [02:54] hmm? [02:54] source package? [02:55] sigcperl (breezy of course) [02:56] <\sh> DanielN: which file and line? [02:57] argh === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:57] sorry, i'm a bit scratched-off :) [02:57] convert.h line 71 === motaboy [~motaboy@host236-41.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [~bddebian@user216-178-65-218.netcarrier.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:58] Howdy [02:58] <\sh> ah [02:59] <\sh> inline std::string SigCPerl::get_string(SV *val) throw() [02:59] <\sh> try this: [02:59] <\sh> inline std::string get_string(SV *val) throw() [02:59] <\sh> he was repeating the namespace identifieer [03:00] ok [03:00] i'll try === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:05] \sh: no more errors about line 71! [03:05] but several others [03:06] :) === bradb [~bradb@modemcable082.64-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:09] WOOOHO :)) [03:09] it builds fine now, \sh thanks alot === rcrochet [~rcrochet@rrcs-24-227-180-67.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:10] erm.. but i don't have too apply a patch now? simply provide the debdiff between old and new, right? [03:10] <\sh> DanielN: u have to check...namespace ... { [...] } if the namespace is not closed, g++4 will raise errors for using namespace identifiers inside the function declaration === plugwash [plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [~mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@194.152.245.14] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:28] \sh: ok, what about the above question (about the patch) ? [03:44] <\sh> DanielN: no.. [03:46] <\sh> DanielN: do this: mkdir patchwork ; cd patchwork ; tar -xvzf sigcperl_0.2.0.orig.tar.gz ; mv sigcperl-0.2.0.orig sigcperl-0.2.0.orig.patched ; tar -xvzf sigcperl_0.2.0.orig.tar.gz [03:46] <\sh> cd sigcperl-0.2.0.orig.patched [03:46] <\sh> patch your source [03:46] <\sh> cd .. [03:46] <\sh> diff -ur sigcperl-0.2.0.orig sigcperl-0.2.0.orig.patched > 01_gcc4.patch [03:46] <\sh> cd .. [03:46] <\sh> cd sigcperl-0.2.0 [03:46] <\sh> cd debian [03:47] <\sh> mkdir patches [03:47] <\sh> cp ../../patchwork/01_gcc4.patch patches/ [03:47] <\sh> vi rules and add some patch targets [03:47] <\sh> and also some unpatch targets :) [03:48] <\sh> then u have a clean debianized source and apply the patches during buildtime [03:49] yeah, thanks! [03:49] Cxx trans is good for learning much i think [03:54] <\sh> :) [04:01] <\sh> ok..going home now === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.215.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thesaltydog [~yoshi@host194-61.pool8023.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0905.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k [~seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke [~koke@adsl229-164.unizar.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:44] DanielN: ping [04:45] ivoks: pong [04:46] all: if i use dpatch, it must be a build-depend, right? [04:46] DanielN: is cppopt finished? [04:46] i never used dpatch :) [04:46] well, i think (for me it's ok) [04:49] i'm pretty sure hdf5 is FTBS :) [04:49] this is very dificult package... [04:50] put a comment there: waiting for new debian release === GheRivero [~ghe@hiscpdprx01.upsa.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:50] cause, debian will bring new release that will be buildable on amd64 with g++4 === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:52] ivoks: FTBS ? [04:52] failed to build source [04:52] ah [04:52] i worked on that one [04:52] very difficult [04:52] argh [04:53] i'll check it then [04:53] and add a comment [04:53] put comment - waiting for new debian release [04:53] yep [04:53] i talked with debian maintainer of that package [04:53] he said he's working on new version [04:53] ivoks: remember me tonight again, when i'm at home [04:53] :) [04:54] who knows will I be here === lamont__ [~lamont@15.238.7.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:04] ivoks: i'm sure you'll ;) [05:04] so, time to go.. fscking patch has time until tomorrow :)) [05:04] see ya later on === DanielN is now known as DanielN_PD === Lathiat [~lathiat@gasp.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [lorchafu@0-1pool245-126.nas1.sioux-city1.ia.us.da.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [~herzi@d123232.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [~magru@as1-1-7.t.lk.bonet.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:35] hey uber hackers [05:36] malone usability question: what do you guys think about the current ordering of comments? === mitsuhiko [~mitsuhiko@213.33.95.56] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:38] on a 26k connection, give me a minute to load it up === Unfrgiven [~ankur@202.76.176.94] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:39] bradb: got an example of a bug with comments? :) [05:39] Amaranth: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/889 [05:40] you do know malone has horizontal scrollbars at 800x600, right? [05:40] it looks ugly anyway [05:41] soassumedly [05:41] theyll do something about that [05:41] hehe [05:41] hi [05:41] get sgarrity to work on it for you :D [05:42] bradb: you've seen how the forums work, right? [05:42] you click the little reply button on a post to reply to it? [05:42] Amaranth: when, let's take this one step at a time here... [05:42] Amaranth: first, what do you guys think of the ordering of comments on the bug page? [05:42] i'm just talking about comments here [05:43] you have them ordered by date with the latest comment first? [05:43] Amaranth: yes [05:43] should be the other way around if you expect people to actually read them [05:44] i agree ;) [05:44] just wanted to make sure we're on the same page before i talk to sabdfl about it [05:52] Amaranth: yes, i'm aware of the horiz scrolling at 800x600. just like bugzilla, right? [05:52] let me check bugzilla [05:53] e.g. https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1291 [05:55] i'll get back to you in a year when it finishes loading :) [05:55] heh [05:55] haha [05:55] i think it stalled [05:56] Amaranth: 26k sounds like cruel and unusual punishment [05:56] cus you hit refresh and it only took a month? [05:56] so far though i only have a very small horiz scrollbar [05:56] bradb: it is [05:56] bradb: i'm stuck with this for a week [05:57] ok, the horizontal scrollbar with bugzilla is close to the size of the one in malone [05:57] but things aren't as squished as they are in malone :) [05:58] Amaranth: in your ideal world, how would the Malone bug page be improved to suit your taste? [05:58] with a dbi [05:58] bradb: I've been meaning to make a mockup of that. [06:00] Amaranth: a mockup? wow, that'd be some hardcore user feedback. ;) by all means. i'd love to see it. === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:01] bradb: basically it'd just look like bugzilla though :) === DanielN [~daniel@84-72-116-38.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:02] Amaranth: IOW, you don't think bugzilla's bug page can be improved? [06:02] i think it can be, but not much [06:03] ok [06:05] Amaranth: what about for people who aren't skilled hackers? would your grandma be able to use the bugzilla bug page, for example? [06:05] bradb: she couldn't use malone either :) [06:05] but that's not fair, she can't even use firefox [06:06] Amaranth: i agree that she couldn't use Malone either. i'd probably rather be paid by the hour to show her how to use the bugzilla bug page though. ;) [06:07] Amaranth: though, clearly, you like the bugzilla bug page, and a lot of skilled users like you do too. in Malone, i think we can do even better. [06:07] so basically we need something that lets hackers get things done quickly (like bugzilla now) but is still usable for users [06:08] that's the approach we're taking, yeah. i just landed a big patch (not yet rolled out into production), to hopefully reduce the mental burden on malone users trying to edit the status/priority/severity/etc. of a bug reported somewhere. [06:12] Amaranth: btw, if you want to send a mockup my way: brad.bollenbach@ubuntu.com. [06:13] it'll probably be next week when i get back home [06:13] Amaranth: (or any other malone feedback, for that matter) === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0905.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:39] hi [06:39] Hello mitsuhiko === janm [~jm__@202.172.110.230] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Micksa [~mslade@203-217-18-166.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tseng [~tseng@tseng2.ath.cx] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:06] lol === ivoks did his first animation rendering in bender [08:07] bender totally rocks! [08:07] lol, i watch too much futurama :) it's bledner === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lsuactiafner [~noirrac@tpc-ip-nas-1-p65.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:36] ivoks: i can seriously say that hdf5 builds (with warnings) .. but well, on x86 === dooglus [~dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:44] Mez: I notice that k3b installs fine now in breezy. [08:46] DanielN: yes, it builds on x86 [08:46] amd is real fun :) [08:47] yeah that's wath i thought ;) === Amaranth [travis@0-2pool241-22.nas1.sioux-city1.ia.us.da.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herve [~hcauwelie@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:51] hi there! [08:51] Heya herve [08:52] hello herve :) [08:52] how's life in motuland? [08:52] nais [08:53] I take it for positive attitude ;-) [08:53] :) [08:53] nais? [08:56] nothing... [08:56] ? [08:57] wooho :) my first self written patch works :)) [08:58] tell us what "nais" means first :-) [08:58] nais == nice [08:59] ahh === herve feels disappointed [09:00] I expected a "nice" acronym :-) [09:00] mhm [09:00] lett me think about that :) [09:00] sounds like a nice task [09:00] Not a .. .. [09:01] Not An Issue Shithead [09:01] nope [09:01] not any incident so far? [09:01] Nice [09:01] DanielN: Congrats btw [09:01] hmm... bad english, forget about it [09:01] Not Any Issues So far [09:01] to find one [09:02] bddebian: cxx trans? [09:02] nice == Not an Interesting Conversation .. [09:02] can't think of a good E [09:02] Amaranth: argh [09:02] i thought about _recursive_ acronyms [09:03] argh == Assholes Rarely Generate Help [09:03] ;) [09:03] Amaranth: :-) [09:04] :) [09:04] :)) [09:08] hm .. doesn't debdiff mark added directories in debian/ ? (i.e patches/) [09:08] argh .. interdiff is the magical word :) === JanC [~janc@JanC.member.lugwv] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:25] Nafallo: where you working with me on beagle/amd64? [09:25] were* === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0112.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:26] hm... nokia, nokia, nokia [09:27] ?? [09:27] i quote: "Open source software is an ideal basis for development since it enables Nokia to leverage and contribute to speedy software innovation and development." [09:27] they are building new browser for series60 [09:27] based on KHTML [09:27] no, webcore [09:28] acctually, on apples webocre [09:28] right :) [09:28] and in the same time, they fight aggainst that same opensource in europe [09:31] there are smartphones from motorola around, running linux [09:31] :) [09:33] ah herve: as you asked for motu news: yeah, there are! when is signed off by 2 motu's, so you have just to change your entry in the wiki, and it's ready :) === prevod1 [prevod@P1-225-20009.dialup.ns.ac.yu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:34] DanielN: remind me in 15 minutes [09:35] i didn't sign anything :) [09:35] you marked it as ok :) [09:36] different meanings [09:36] it think ;) === DanielN is away for smoking one [09:37] tssssss [09:37] you are too young to smoke [09:37] :-) [09:37] <\sh> re [09:37] <\sh> i wanted to say that too :) [09:37] people are either too young or too old to smoke [09:37] <\sh> reviewing time first [09:37] <\sh> or too dead to smoke ;) [09:38] man, cigaretts really kill [09:38] 50 million people a year, I heard [09:38] i smoke one sometimes, but that's like 20 in 2 weeks :) === \sh goes to smoke [09:39] <\sh> ;) [09:39] ttt [09:39] you know, there is bigger chance you will die of cigaret, than from cancer? [09:39] hmm [09:39] <\sh> I know there is a bigger change to die from a heart attack [09:39] make that tumor, not cancer [09:39] you don't catch a cancer by smoking? [09:40] herve: you do, but not all cancers kill [09:40] those from someking do, but others don't [09:40] <\sh> but lungcancer yes [09:41] even AIDS doesn't kill like that [09:41] but those luckys really taste good :) [09:42] no sorry, it just stinks [09:42] :) [09:42] ;...( [09:43] i still can't upload [09:43] I'll upload after my phone call [09:43] btw, NM is great tool [09:44] have to go now... [09:44] NM? [09:44] network manager [09:44] i have one buggy version [09:44] but does the job very good [09:45] well... bye === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:54] herve: time to remind you ^^ [09:54] still on the phone [10:03] <\sh> grmpf..answered my work cell....have to go..laters dudes === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:22] re [10:22] wb her [10:23] (*&&^%*&%% [10:23] wb [10:23] err wb herve [10:23] wb [10:28] hi [10:28] important question [10:28] maybe you know the linux day 2005 somewhere in Germany (no idea where...) [10:28] does ubuntu has something like a contact person where users can talk to? [10:32] trulux, ping [10:33] nobody any ideas? [10:34] ask on the devel list? [10:34] herve: i thought someone has any ideas [10:34] or maybe there exists a better list [10:34] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LinuxTag <== very empty [10:35] check with the person who created/last modified the page [10:37] Boris Karnikowski from the Addison Wesley publishing house asked if there are any ubuntulinux members [10:38] could someone tell me, what is to do if i applied a source-code patch to a transition lib ? [10:38] Because this publishing house has there a ubuntu book presentation [10:39] mitushiko: why do you ask that just in MOTU [10:39] ? [10:39] because I thought someone knows something about it [10:40] or because someone has compassion with me === TMM [~hp@c51471f2c.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:44] hello [10:44] TMM: =) [10:44] I salute you. ow MOFO's [10:44] good night boys [10:44] euih [10:44] cu [10:44] MOTU's :P === tritium [~tritium@12-208-96-155.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:44] Anyone around to show a potential MOTU the ropes? === despeeh [~despe@a80-186-106-76.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU [10:46] I am interested in adding some form of bootsplash stuff to ubuntu, basically [10:46] for starters anyway :) [10:46] TMM: sladen has been the lead on that. [10:46] TMM, have you looked into the usplash project that's being worked on by sladen? [10:46] jbailey: You a potential MOTU?? [10:46] ah, I've heard a lot about this sladen dude now, :) [10:47] didn't know about usplash [10:47] Heya tritium [10:47] Hi there bddebian :) [10:47] bddebian: I don't know if I'm considered a motu or not... [10:47] :-) [10:47] jbailey is just HMFIC [10:48] I'd like to join the ranks :) [10:48] Her Majesties Finest Ice Cream? [10:48] or at least, do some good, with or without any form of a title, I just want some help for now ;) [10:48] Head Mother Fscker In Charge [10:48] *lol* [10:48] Certainly that's not me. [10:48] :-) [10:48] DanielN, ping [10:48] YOU are the one fscking my disks? :) [10:50] hmm, that usplash sounds a lot like the idea I had [10:50] TMM, one of the documents I recommend starting from is the Debian New Maintainer's Guide. [10:51] tritium, universe != ubuntu sid repo's right? [10:51] TMM, the main wiki page, which contains many useful links is here: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/MOTU [10:51] herve: pong [10:51] :) [10:51] DanielN, I can't access your archive so I can't review your package [10:52] euh... debian sid... *sigh* [10:52] TMM, right. The best description of the various components is here, I believe: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view [10:53] http://marissa.ath.cx/daniel/archive/breezy/ [10:53] ?? [10:53] works for me === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:53] DanielN, I hope so, it's your machine ;-) === despeeh [~despe@a80-186-106-76.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #ubuntu-MOTU [] [10:53] trulux, ping [10:54] herve: pong [10:54] herve: though I must go to bed [10:54] quicly [10:54] herve: tell me [10:54] I was talking about the libre software meeting in dijon with you? [10:55] herve: so you couldn't access? or is it not reachable?? [10:55] DanielN, timeout [10:55] herve: yup [10:56] trulux, bad news, I can't go there, I'm still broek [10:56] hrmpf .. time to reboot the router :/ [10:56] broke [10:56] herve: I talked about meeting all of us (those who go there) together [10:56] TMM, is that a good start? Do you have any more questions? [10:57] tritium, it looks like it, thanks [10:57] tritium, I was already reading, sorry for the delay :) [10:58] TMM, no problem. :) [10:58] DanielN, tomorrow now :-) [10:59] does anyone know if there is any actual code for the usplash stuff? [10:59] sladen? :) [11:00] I hope he does know :-) [11:00] night all [11:00] TMM, yes, there is a usplash page...let me find it [11:01] tritium, I'm on a wikipage, but it sounds like a lot of ideas, and very little implementation :) === ruhib [~ruhib@wnpgmb06dc1-46-67.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:03] TMM: yeah ;-) [11:04] well, I wanted to do some form of a framebuffer detect and setup utility anyway, might as well build it, whatever is going to be implemented, that is going to be required anyway [11:04] TMM, this is the only code I found: http://www.paul.sladen.org/projects/usplash/download/. Is that the latest for public consumption, sladen? [11:04] letting the user figure out weither to use vga= or some arcane video= command is pretty pointless [11:05] that, and that for instance, the intel cards can't do a linear framebuffer according to VESA 2.0 standards... so you need that specific driver for that [11:05] or be stuck in 16 colours === DanielN [~daniel@84-72-116-38.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:06] herve: i've rebooted my router, check back please :) === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0112.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:14] tritium, looks good [11:14] TMM, cool [11:16] still, there's a need to configure the framebuffer correctly :) [11:17] I wish sladen was here :) but he's been idle for 13 minutes now, so I assume he just left [11:19] TMM: I'm always here, but they X hundred users who've just been down for an hoour whilst we upgrade their sat-modems are more immediate :-) [11:20] sladen, ahhhh yes, I can see that :) [11:20] sladen, I envision, pissed people ;) [11:21] sladen, I've got some thoughts on fading X too btw :) [11:25] time to sleep [11:25] see you all [11:27] I use http://ubuntujava.yimports.com/ [11:38] Good luck, TMM. See you around... [11:39] tritium, thanks :) [11:39] :) === tritium [~tritium@12-208-96-155.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === ruhib [~ruhib@wnpgmb06dc1-46-67.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lamont__ [~lamont@15.238.7.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0112.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:56] tseng: with bugreporting, yes :-). [11:56] Nafallo: hm right [11:57] Nafallo: do you still have that gtk-sharp exception [11:58] tseng: last time with blam today. pre-first_daily_update though. [11:58] um so [11:58] get the exception again please :) [11:58] and save it [11:59] tseng: hehe, I'll try :-). I haven't figured out what makes it pop :-P. === Nafallo tries to refresh blam