=== SquishyWaffle [~GTaylor@130-127-67-44.lehotsky.clemson.edu] has joined #kubuntu === konrad [~konrad@ark10.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #kubuntu === abisen_of [~abisen@209.19.47.238] has joined #kubuntu [12:16] <_heart> can i install devian packages on kubuntu? === penguinboy [~penguinbo@24.159.145.55] has joined #kubuntu [12:18] Afternoon Guys! [12:20] indeed. === StR [~StR@200.49.168.54] has joined #kubuntu [12:25] Welcome StR! [12:26] Hi penguinboy [12:28] so.. whats new? [12:29] not a lot....how is your day? === ilba7r [~ilba7r@d141-64-4.home.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:29] here... reading some mono docs... [12:30] got he new Linux Journal today [12:30] the [12:30] as well as Linux Magazine === delltony [~delltony@c-24-99-11-118.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:31] Afternoon delltony! [12:31] hi would someone here please take the time and help me to figure out why my system is running so freakin slow :( [12:31] i mean it laggs big ime as if the harddrive is having hell catching up with i/os [12:31] any one here have torubles with open office on kubuntu [12:32] and cpu switchin seems very high but i don't know what to do to resolve it [12:32] procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu---- [12:32] r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id wa [12:32] 0 0 2768 19708 61664 181892 0 0 4 14 46 49 29 18 53 0 [12:32] delltony: is it running updatedb when it is slow? [12:32] no [12:33] delltony: what CPU do you have? [12:33] p4 3.2 ghz [12:34] and what kernel are you using? [12:34] Linux bubbabox 2.6.10-5-686 #1 Tue Jun 7 09:00:32 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux === KaiL|Sheep is now known as KaiL [12:39] :/ [12:39] delltony: what about the RAM? how much do you have? === mae [~mae@dpc674653178.direcpc.com] has joined #kubuntu [12:41] 512 [12:42] delltony: could you msg me your top? order by RAM? [12:42] how do you order by ram that option i do not know off hand [12:43] M === Kamping_Kaiser [~kaiser@ppp242-195.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:43] <_heart> version from X in kubuntu is? [12:44] 6.8.2 [12:44] so just type top -M ? === Kamping_Kaiser is now known as Kaiser_away [12:44] no, start top press M [12:46] i don't see how i can select it if its ever changing [12:46] delltony: use a ksnapshot [12:47] delltony: or select the text fast, it will be copy by the Xbuffer [12:48] let me upload the image hangon [12:49] Hey KK! [12:53] StR, did you get my pm? [12:54] delltony: negative [12:54] send it to my email [12:54] ok [12:55] yes.. Xorg ... you aer having big troubles with it... [12:56] try using full kde programs.. [12:56] you talking to me? [12:56] use kopete instead of gaim [12:56] delltony: yes... [12:56] use konversation instead of xchat.. [12:57] but it is still weird that Xorg is using 33.7% CPU [12:57] and 12.1% RAM [12:57] what video card dou you have? [12:57] just curious why is that such a big deal as in xchat over konversation? i mean the thing was fast before [12:57] and i was using xchat and all [12:57] but i'm listing to you [12:57] and i have a ati rage mobility card [12:58] using that flgrx driver [12:59] I preffer to use all kde-qt apps, so I dont use any RAM for the GTK libs [12:59] i understand [12:59] thats why i dont use xchat or gaim... [01:00] sorry I cannot help you, I think it is the video card driver.. I dont realy know, beacuse I have an nvidia.... [01:00] but I think thats the problem.. the video driver.. [01:01] hmm [01:01] anyone else wanna have a take at this [01:01] and thanks [01:01] is that the ATI close driver? or is it the free driver? there was a proyect for ATI called GATOS [01:01] i'm using the one from atis site [01:01] i used the oone from ubuntu to start with [01:01] ati rage mobility is supported by fglrx? [01:01] and it sucks horse butt [01:02] well i have a dell laptop inspiron 9100 [01:02] and yeah i'm using the fglrx [01:02] the ubuntu one is bugged to hell wants to make a xfree file [01:02] thats why i use the one from ati [01:02] it makes the xorg file [01:03] just a warning, fglrx doesn't support suspending to ram (or really any kind of suspend that I managed to figure out) [01:03] I have an inspiron 8600 [01:03] what do you suggest then? [01:03] use the open source ati driver, I think. [01:03] which is? [01:04] ati [01:04] :) [01:04] let me check my xorg.conf [01:04] as in the one i have installed? [01:04] i downloaded the driver from atis site [01:04] and did the make and all on it [01:04] and modprobe [01:04] and then ran flgrx-config or whatever [01:04] no [01:04] not fglrx [01:04] then your confusing me :) [01:05] the driver is called ati [01:05] fglrx is the one from ati [01:05] b/c it's for ati cards [01:05] fglrx is the one from ati [01:05] yes. [01:05] ok [01:05] so apt-get install ati? [01:05] or what? [01:06] well, what exactly is your problem? [01:06] my system seems really really sluggish [01:06] as it takes for ever to run things [01:06] as if i/o's are off the chart or something [01:06] I doubt that has anything to do with fglrx [01:06] hrm...where do I actually find the trashcan? [01:07] pointwood: is it not in your kicker? [01:07] i was just going on what someone else said [01:07] i thnk the video side of it is fine myself too [01:07] i think its something to do with the harddrive access time or something [01:07] or its in suspend or something i really don't know [01:07] thats why i'm asking [01:07] I can't see any trashcan anywhere [01:07] I doubt it's in suspend. [01:08] any things you recommend checking then? [01:08] cause when i boot it up all is good [01:08] then after a while of use it gets slow as crap === doneill [~doneill@S01060050babaeddc.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:08] video refresh is slow dvds play slow as h ell [01:08] webpages load slow as crap [01:08] ahh...found it [01:08] and the cs on vmstat was 256 at one point [01:08] pointwood: great [01:09] delltony: I don't really know how to help you [01:09] delltony: I'd check to see how much swap is being used [01:09] is there any kinda hdparms that couuld be set [01:09] has anybody else had problems with MD5sum mismatches on various packages? [01:09] I prefer to use none of my swap [01:09] err, doing an apt-get that is. [01:09] doneill: not I [01:09] check that with top right [01:09] delltony: that's a way to check it, yeah. [01:10] mrmanic: i get it on ca.archive.ubuntu.org and heanet's mirror [01:10] (hoary) [01:10] wee...restoring a file crashed konqy [01:10] it's been going on for a week [01:10] Swap: 1510068k total, 3020k used, 1507048k free, 107556k cached [01:11] delltony: that doesn't look too bad. is all of your memory used? [01:11] no === __Ace__ [~love@h55l211.delphi.afb.lu.se] has joined #kubuntu [01:11] I don't know why you'd be having that slowness then, delltony [01:11] I'm no guru [01:11] I'm just a user, like you. [01:11] i'm not either [01:11] but its almost as if its overheading [01:11] and degrading itself or something [01:11] i don't know [01:12] just guessing === ecarroll [~ecarroll@tx-67-77-73-152.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:14] Is there anyway i can tell what version of gcc a kernel is built with as it sits on a repository; I am installing VMWare, and it requires i have the same version of gcc to make a module for it, unforntuatly the gcc on the repos with v3.3.5 is a symlink to a newer gcc and that just doesn't float with VMWare i need to know if the new 2.6.12, is built with the newer gcc or if i should just download sources and build my own [01:14] ecarroll: readelf [01:14] nevermind [01:14] it's probably compressed anyway [01:15] delltony: what kind of power management settings do you have? [01:16] ecarroll: can you boot into it? [01:16] Anyone using breezy with new 2.6.12 that can tell me what version of gcc there kernel was built with [01:16] Yes i'm in the machine now i just don't want to have to download 14megs unless new kernel is built with v4.x of gcc as VMWare requires, otherwise i need to download sources anyway [01:18] if you have v2.6.11 or higher (breezy only i believe) pelase tell me the cat /proc/version and read to me the gcc number === monchy [~monchy@S010600e04c400007.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:24] mrmanic, i have no idea on that [01:24] i thought apc was turned off [01:25] apc? [01:25] advanced power management [01:25] or whatever its called [01:25] I think power management in kubuntu is handled by acpi [01:25] thats what i mean [01:25] did you turn it off manually? [01:25] it's on by default, I believe [01:25] I could be wrong on that one, of course. [01:26] i thought it was noacpi [01:27] cause there are issues with it or was issues with it [01:28] oh [01:29] acpi is on for me, I'm using it to suspend to ram successfully. [01:29] maybe it's noacpi on the 9100 [01:29] i don'tk now [01:29] are you maybe searching for apic? [01:30] (a function to have more then 16 IRQs and VERY often broken on VIA boards?) [01:30] I used to have to run my system nolapic in order to do S3 [01:30] i'm just looking for a reason to why this laptop is so damn slow lately :( [01:33] delltony: what laptop? [01:33] dell inspirion 9100 [01:34] maybe the cd/dvd is hdb and has no dma enabled? (that was afaik also a Dell) [01:34] i'm not playing a dvd at this point [01:34] s what does that have to do with anything ? [01:34] its overall system is slow [01:35] like the harddrive is fragmented to hell and back ro something i'm not sure what the issue is [01:35] but its annoying none the less [01:35] uh, mobile P4 [01:35] apt-get install linux-686-smp === Consty [grimlock@63.146.73.44] has joined #kubuntu [01:35] (to enable HT) [01:36] aww so thats how you enable it [01:36] ...and don't even THINK about disabling apic, afaik that breaks a lot [01:36] i don't knwo how to disable it [01:36] but i thought it was disabled [01:36] from bootup it says nolapci or whatever [01:36] any way to check [01:37] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [01:37] libpostproc-dev: Depends: libavcodec-dev (= 3:0.cvs20050121-1ubuntu1) [01:37] linux-686-smp: Depends: linux-image-686-smp but it is not going to be installed [01:37] Depends: linux-restricted-modules-686-smp but it is not going to be installed [01:37] E: Unmet dependencies. Try apt-get -f install with no packages (or specify a solution). [01:37] delltony@bubbabox:/proc$ [01:37] interesting... [01:37] nah i know why that h appened i think [01:37] sudo apt-get update [01:38] i did the -f install to correct it i thin its working now [01:38] will keep you posted [01:38] you aren't runninmg breezy, or? :) [01:39] no i'm on h oary [01:39] i learned my lession on hoary dev builds [01:39] hehe [01:39] it hosed me big time when i tried to convert [01:39] but i learned alot [01:39] haha [01:39] didn't realize yo had to downgrade to upgrade [01:39] in fact I'm not even sure, what is better now, as there was something with HT + Speedstep... [01:39] i had backports and so forth but anyway thats another issue [01:40] well how you get apci to work? [01:40] or check to see if its working? [01:40] or not loaded [01:40] cause i swear i thought it was noapci on this thing [01:41] look at kmenu -> system -> infocenter -> interrupts [01:41] if you have IRQ-Numbers >15, apic must be on [01:42] aah, you said slow! [01:42] the CPU-Clock! [01:42] yeah [01:42] its really slow for some reason [01:43] not sure if its harddrive i/o's or the cpu is not processing it fast enough ro what [01:43] could you look at "processor" in the infocenter? ;) [01:43] ok what do you want me to look for ? [01:43] or report? [01:43] the clock === delltony is a semi newbi per say :) [01:44] "cpu MHz" or so [01:44] 2793.714 [01:45] by the way that kernel image installed [01:45] don't i reboot and select it with grub [01:45] 2,8GHz seams to be a typical value for a P4 [01:46] speed is ranked in fops [01:46] frequency is intel hype, mostly :) [01:46] overclocking often reduces performance [01:47] i haven't overclocked [01:47] i'm just saying [01:47] doneill: even better "only P4 needs >2GHz" :) [01:47] understood [01:47] higher frequency != faster [01:47] not to you personally :) === doneill wanders off [01:47] so anyway just reboot now? [01:47] with the ht enabled kernel? [01:47] or anything else i should check [01:47] yes [01:47] how about hdparms? [01:47] nop [01:47] ok [01:47] let me try [01:48] oh and what about the acpi? [01:48] i had 16,17,18,28 irqs [01:48] so it appears tobe on [01:48] then you have apic [01:48] let me restart then [01:48] do i have to select it from grub [01:48] or does it default to it automatically? [01:48] better look into the list [01:49] if it's the first entry, it'll be default [01:49] ok [01:49] any way to look into the list instead of acutally on physical boot? [01:50] you could look into /boot/grup/menu.lst [01:50] yeah its the first one [01:50] ok brb === sirukin [~sirukin@64.247.151.242] has joined #kubuntu === nate [~nate@68.58.162.80] has joined #kubuntu [02:01] Anyone out there that can help me out with a Wine/Cedega problem? === delltony [~delltony@c-24-99-11-118.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:01] the hyperthread support helped out alot [02:01] its running normal now [02:01] interesting [02:02] I keep getting this problem and I can't find a fix for it [02:02] well its not laggin thats for sure [02:02] For language 'en' several language ids were found: [02:02] en_US - 0409; en_GB - 0809; en_AU - 0C09; en_CA - 1009; en_NZ - 1409; en_IE - 1809; en_ZA - 1C09; en_JM - 2009; en_ - 2409; en_BZ - 2809; en_TT - 2C09; [02:02] Instead of using first in the list, suggest to define [02:02] your LANG environment variable like this: LANG=en_US [02:02] didn't know, that the P4 needs this so much, I thought, the ~3GHz are enough :) [02:02] procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu---- [02:02] r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id wa [02:02] 0 0 0 172112 35892 150768 0 0 136 44 544 308 32 11 52 4 [02:02] why is that cs always so dang high [02:02] i thought it was suppose to be in the 40's [02:02] or so [02:03] what's that? :) [02:03] cpu switchs [02:03] nate: it want's to tell you, that LANG shoult be "en_US", not "en" :) [02:03] ah [02:04] << never had an smp maschine in my fingers [02:04] does the mobile P4 support Steedstep? [02:05] yes [02:05] Yes but I never had this problem till I installed Wine [02:06] even after I removed it I still have the problem....I can't figure out how to fix it [02:06] I tried dpkg-reconfigure locales [02:06] but that didn't work either [02:07] randabis: so there is a way to come down from this extrem high clock? (remember: nearly all other modern CPUs sit most of the time at or below 1GHz) === _heart [~heart@p549C3ABB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [02:08] KaiL: How do I switch the langauge? [02:09] should be in /etc/environment [02:10] LANGUAGE="en_US" [02:10] LANG=en_US.UTF-8 [02:10] thats what I have at the file you gave me [02:10] that looks ok..?!? [02:10] ya...but it still pops out the error [02:13] hmm, powernowd (as in hoary) supports all CPUs except? bingo: P4 with HT :) [02:15] KaiL, do you use flashgot and if so how do you make it where if the extension is .php or whatever it will not download it? [02:16] if the extension for a file is .php and the browser wants to download it, go to the server admin and shoot him [02:16] haha [02:16] nah i'm trying to pull some stuuff off of torrentflux but when i select all links it does the phps too === popeydotcom [~popey@dsl-80-46-101-238.access.as9105.com] has joined #kubuntu === monchy [~monchy@S010600e04c400007.ok.shawcable.net] has left #kubuntu ["Everyone] === _erki [~erki@125.246.216.81.nykop.siwnet.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:27] is there another prog for ace files besides unace? === monchy [~monchy@S010600e04c400007.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu === BROKEN_LADDER [~pral@h-68-164-186-228.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #KUBUNTU [02:36] LANGUAGE="en_US" [02:36] LANG=en_US [02:36] Wow man I'm seriously boggled with this error [02:36] my files are all correct...yet I can't get anything to work [02:36] makes no sense to me at all [02:57] mm pizza === _heart is now known as heart === Heart_ [~heart@p549C3A6E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu === randabis [~randabis@cpe-67-10-186-21.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === Cellar|bbl [~CellarDoo@d220-238-219-95.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu === Cellar|bbl is now known as CellarDoor [03:18] anyone home ? [03:19] I'd like to get a tv tuner for my puter and I was wondering what might be best to get if I'm using kubuntu ? === evandroalb [~redhand@201.19.74.73] has joined #kubuntu === evandroalb [~redhand@201.19.74.73] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] [03:47] hmh === penguinboy [~penguinbo@24.159.145.55] has joined #kubuntu [03:48] Howdy Guys! [03:48] hullo [03:48] is it quiet in the kubuntu room tonight? [03:51] well, yeah [03:51] lol [03:54] always [03:55] plah [03:56] i tried core 4 earlier for a couple hours === UdontKnow is now known as e [03:56] how did you like it? [03:56] meh [03:56] it's RH anyway :/ [03:57] i don't see what the hype was all about lol [03:57] I used Core 1 & 2....I wasn;t thrilled [03:57] I use FC 3 [03:57] and I dont' like it [03:57] I think Kubuntu/Ubuntu is the best there us [03:57] the interface felt clunky for fedora-kde [03:58] there was just something about it that made me hate it [03:58] yeah, it's called fedora === Heart_2 [~heart@p549C2ACE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [03:58] I have used Red Hat 7.0...Red Hat 9.0...Mandrake 9.1,,,Fedore Core 1...Fedora Core 2...SuSE 9.0a...Ubuntu Warty...Ubuntu Hoary...Kubuntu Hoary [03:59] heh [03:59] i can't stand gnome [03:59] no....I much prefer KDE [03:59] it looks so ugly [03:59] slicker use [03:59] some BSD:s, Debian, FC3, (K)Ubuntu [03:59] about that [03:59] I would like to try BSD [04:00] now YAST in SuSE is really nice...but it is no apt === _ubuntu [~ubuntu@ip68-228-56-250.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:05] hey ubuntu === _ubuntu is now known as _ubuntu_ === _ubuntu_ is now known as ubuntu_ === ubuntu_ is now known as _ubuntu_ === _ubuntu_ is now known as ubuntu_ [04:06] oO [04:06] lol [04:07] ...and /kb [04:07] ] ;= === sirk [~sirukin@64.247.151.242] has joined #kubuntu === sirk is now known as sirukin [04:09] man i wish someone would port the gant 3 icons to kde [04:11] eh [04:11] there's not much "porting" [04:11] so it's not hard to do? [04:12] well, it depends [04:12] they're just icons... [04:12] who cares? [04:12] if icons are just png pics... [04:12] yeah i think it's all png [04:12] just copy them to proper place and that's it === e is now known as UdontKnow [04:12] monchy, something for *you* to do. [04:13] submit to kde-look when your done [04:13] I'll be sure to whine about it's copyright status. [04:13] lol [04:13] if they are as rude as you i'll just keep it to myself lol [04:13] lol [04:13] lol [04:13] =D [04:14] maybe i'll port some ugly windows 3.1 icons for you to enjoy [04:14] LOL [04:14] I'll install an older version of wine and pretend I'm actually using windows 3.1 [04:14] now that's funny [04:15] why pretend, just use the original...and never come back ;) [04:15] ever [04:15] but windows 3.1 won't let me connect to irc and make sarcastic comments. [04:15] :[ === sirukin waits for monchy's icons [04:15] lol [04:16] these icons are 10 MB in rar extension [04:16] yeap [04:16] glad you can count [04:16] LOL [04:16] just how long did it take you to get up to 10? [04:16] 56 secs [04:16] good for you, go sit in the corner === penguinboy goes and sits in the corner [04:17] seriously though, I don't even know what "gant 3" icons are [04:17] kewl looking they are [04:17] :/ [04:19] may I ask a stupid question? [04:19] don't ping me [04:19] lol [04:19] i wouldn't, sirukin will jump your bone [04:19] lol [04:19] "omg a question!?!?!" [04:19] I thought rar was a windows-based extention [04:19] heh [04:20] extension === penguinboy wonders if his ignorance concerning the extenion rar is showing [04:21] it has nothing to do with windows [04:21] okay [04:21] and it is not a tarball [04:22] so what is it...and how do I install [04:22] this is covered in the wiki [04:22] www.ubuntulinix.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats [04:23] I think thats it [04:23]

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