[12:16] <_heart> can i install devian packages on kubuntu?
[12:18] <penguinboy> Afternoon Guys!
[12:20] <regeya> indeed.
[12:25] <penguinboy> Welcome StR!
[12:26] <StR> Hi penguinboy 
[12:28] <StR> so.. whats new?
[12:29] <penguinboy> not a lot....how is your day?
[12:29] <StR> here...  reading some mono docs...
[12:30] <penguinboy> got he new Linux Journal today
[12:30] <penguinboy> the
[12:30] <penguinboy> as well as Linux Magazine
[12:31] <penguinboy> Afternoon delltony!
[12:31] <delltony> hi would someone here please take the time and help me to figure out why my system is running so freakin slow :(
[12:31] <delltony> i mean it laggs big ime as if the harddrive is having hell catching up with i/os
[12:31] <ilba7r> any one here have torubles with open office on kubuntu
[12:32] <delltony> and cpu switchin seems very high but i don't know what to do to resolve it
[12:32] <delltony> procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu----
[12:32] <delltony>  r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   so    bi    bo   in    cs us sy id wa
[12:32] <delltony>  0  0   2768  19708  61664 181892    0    0     4    14   46    49 29 18 53  0
[12:32] <StR> delltony: is it running updatedb when it is slow?
[12:32] <delltony> no
[12:33] <StR> delltony: what CPU do you have?
[12:33] <delltony> p4 3.2 ghz
[12:34] <StR> and what kernel are you using?
[12:34] <delltony> Linux bubbabox 2.6.10-5-686 #1 Tue Jun 7 09:00:32 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:39] <Tm_T> :/
[12:39] <StR> delltony: what about the RAM?  how much do you have?
[12:41] <delltony> 512
[12:42] <StR> delltony: could you msg me your top? order by RAM?
[12:42] <delltony> how do you order by ram that option i do not know off hand
[12:43] <ijuz_> M
[12:43] <_heart> version from X in kubuntu is?
[12:44] <ijuz_> 6.8.2
[12:44] <delltony> so just type top -M ?
[12:44] <ijuz_> no, start top press M
[12:46] <delltony> i don't see how i can select it if its ever changing
[12:46] <StR> delltony: use a ksnapshot
[12:47] <StR> delltony: or select the text fast, it will be copy by the Xbuffer
[12:48] <delltony> let me upload the image hangon
[12:49] <penguinboy> Hey KK!
[12:53] <delltony> StR, did you get my pm?
[12:54] <StR> delltony: negative
[12:54] <StR> send it to my email
[12:54] <delltony> ok
[12:55] <StR> yes.. Xorg ... you aer having big troubles with it...
[12:56] <StR> try using full kde programs..
[12:56] <delltony> you talking to me?
[12:56] <StR> use kopete instead of gaim
[12:56] <StR> delltony: yes...
[12:56] <StR> use konversation instead of xchat..
[12:57] <StR> but it is still weird that Xorg is using  33.7% CPU
[12:57] <StR> and 12.1% RAM
[12:57] <StR> what video card dou you have?
[12:57] <delltony> just curious why is that such a big deal as in xchat over konversation? i mean the thing was fast before
[12:57] <delltony> and i was using xchat and all
[12:57] <delltony> but i'm listing to you
[12:57] <delltony> and i have a ati rage mobility card
[12:58] <delltony> using that flgrx driver
[12:59] <StR> I preffer to use all kde-qt apps, so I dont use any RAM for the GTK libs
[12:59] <delltony> i understand
[12:59] <StR> thats why i dont use xchat or gaim...
[01:00] <StR> sorry I cannot help you, I think it is the video card driver..  I dont realy know, beacuse I have an nvidia....
[01:00] <StR> but I think thats the problem.. the video driver..
[01:01] <delltony> hmm 
[01:01] <delltony> anyone else wanna have a take at this
[01:01] <delltony> and thanks
[01:01] <StR> is that the ATI close driver? or is it the free driver?  there was a proyect for ATI  called GATOS
[01:01] <delltony> i'm using the one from atis site
[01:01] <delltony> i used the oone from ubuntu to start with
[01:01] <mrmanic> ati rage mobility is supported by fglrx?
[01:01] <delltony> and it sucks horse butt
[01:02] <delltony> well i have a dell laptop inspiron 9100
[01:02] <delltony> and yeah i'm using the fglrx 
[01:02] <delltony> the ubuntu one is bugged to hell wants to make a xfree file
[01:02] <delltony> thats why i use the one from ati
[01:02] <delltony> it makes the xorg file
[01:03] <mrmanic> just a warning, fglrx doesn't support suspending to ram (or really any kind of suspend that I managed to figure out)
[01:03] <mrmanic> I have an inspiron 8600
[01:03] <delltony> what do you suggest then?
[01:03] <mrmanic> use the open source ati driver, I think.
[01:03] <delltony> which is?
[01:04] <mrmanic> ati
[01:04] <mrmanic> :)
[01:04] <mrmanic> let me check my xorg.conf
[01:04] <delltony> as in the one i have installed?
[01:04] <delltony> i downloaded the driver from atis site
[01:04] <delltony> and did the make and all on it
[01:04] <delltony> and modprobe 
[01:04] <delltony> and then ran flgrx-config or whatever
[01:04] <mrmanic> no
[01:04] <mrmanic> not fglrx
[01:04] <delltony> then your confusing me :)
[01:05] <mrmanic> the driver is called ati
[01:05] <delltony> fglrx is the one from ati
[01:05] <mrmanic> b/c it's for ati cards
[01:05] <mrmanic> fglrx is the one from ati
[01:05] <mrmanic> yes.
[01:05] <delltony> ok
[01:05] <delltony> so apt-get install ati?
[01:05] <delltony> or what?
[01:06] <mrmanic> well, what exactly is your problem?
[01:06] <delltony> my system seems really really sluggish
[01:06] <delltony> as it takes for ever to run things
[01:06] <delltony> as if i/o's are off the chart or something
[01:06] <mrmanic> I doubt that has anything to do with fglrx
[01:06] <pointwood> hrm...where do I actually find the trashcan?
[01:07] <mrmanic> pointwood: is it not in your kicker?
[01:07] <delltony> i was just going on what someone else said
[01:07] <delltony> i thnk the video side of it is fine myself too
[01:07] <delltony> i think its something to do with the harddrive access time or something
[01:07] <delltony> or its in suspend or something i really don't know
[01:07] <delltony> thats why i'm asking
[01:07] <pointwood> I can't see any trashcan anywhere
[01:07] <mrmanic> I doubt it's in suspend.
[01:08] <delltony> any things you recommend checking then?
[01:08] <delltony> cause when i boot it up all is good
[01:08] <delltony> then after a while of use it gets slow as crap
[01:08] <delltony> video refresh is slow dvds play slow as h ell
[01:08] <delltony> webpages load slow as crap
[01:08] <pointwood> ahh...found it
[01:08] <delltony> and the cs on vmstat was 256 at one point
[01:08] <mrmanic> pointwood: great
[01:09] <mrmanic> delltony: I don't really know how to help you
[01:09] <mrmanic> delltony: I'd check to see how much swap is being used
[01:09] <delltony> is there any kinda hdparms that couuld be set
[01:09] <doneill> has anybody else had problems with MD5sum mismatches on various packages?
[01:09] <mrmanic> I prefer to use none of my swap
[01:09] <doneill> err, doing an apt-get that is.
[01:09] <mrmanic> doneill: not I
[01:09] <delltony> check that with top right
[01:09] <mrmanic> delltony: that's a way to check it, yeah.
[01:10] <doneill> mrmanic: i get it on ca.archive.ubuntu.org and heanet's mirror
[01:10] <doneill> (hoary)
[01:10] <pointwood> wee...restoring a file crashed konqy
[01:10] <doneill> it's been going on for a week
[01:10] <delltony> Swap:  1510068k total,     3020k used,  1507048k free,   107556k cached
[01:11] <mrmanic> delltony: that doesn't look too bad.  is all of your memory used?
[01:11] <delltony> no
[01:11] <mrmanic> I don't know why you'd be having that slowness then, delltony 
[01:11] <mrmanic> I'm no guru
[01:11] <mrmanic> I'm just a user, like you.
[01:11] <delltony> i'm not either
[01:11] <delltony> but its almost as if its overheading
[01:11] <delltony> and degrading itself or something
[01:11] <delltony> i don't know
[01:12] <delltony> just guessing
[01:14] <ecarroll> Is there anyway i can tell what version of gcc a kernel is built with as it sits on a repository; I am installing VMWare, and it requires i have the same version of gcc to make a module for it, unforntuatly the gcc on the repos with v3.3.5 is a symlink to a newer gcc and that just doesn't float with VMWare i need to know if the new 2.6.12, is built with the newer gcc or if i should just download sources and build my own
[01:14] <doneill> ecarroll: readelf
[01:14] <doneill> nevermind
[01:14] <doneill> it's probably compressed anyway
[01:15] <mrmanic> delltony: what kind of power management settings do you have?
[01:16] <doneill> ecarroll: can you boot into it?
[01:16] <ecarroll> Anyone using breezy with new 2.6.12 that can tell me what version of gcc there kernel was built with
[01:16] <ecarroll> Yes i'm in the machine now i just don't want to have to download 14megs unless new kernel is built with v4.x of gcc as VMWare requires, otherwise i need to download sources anyway
[01:18] <ecarroll> if you have v2.6.11 or higher (breezy only i believe) pelase tell me the cat /proc/version and read to me the gcc number
[01:24] <delltony> mrmanic, i have no idea on that
[01:24] <delltony> i thought apc was turned off
[01:25] <mrmanic> apc?
[01:25] <delltony> advanced power management
[01:25] <delltony> or whatever its called
[01:25] <mrmanic> I think power management in kubuntu is handled by acpi
[01:25] <delltony> thats what i mean
[01:25] <mrmanic> did you turn it off manually?
[01:25] <mrmanic> it's on by default, I believe
[01:25] <mrmanic> I could be wrong on that one, of course.
[01:26] <delltony> i thought it was noacpi
[01:27] <delltony> cause there are issues with it or was issues with it
[01:28] <mrmanic> oh
[01:29] <mrmanic> acpi is on for me, I'm using it to suspend to ram successfully.
[01:29] <mrmanic> maybe it's noacpi on the 9100
[01:29] <delltony> i don'tk now
[01:29] <KaiL> are you maybe searching for apic?
[01:30] <KaiL> (a function to have more then 16 IRQs and VERY often broken on VIA boards?)
[01:30] <mrmanic> I used to have to run my system nolapic in order to do S3
[01:30] <delltony> i'm just looking for a reason to why this laptop is so damn slow lately :(
[01:33] <KaiL> delltony: what laptop?
[01:33] <delltony> dell inspirion 9100
[01:34] <KaiL> maybe the cd/dvd is hdb and has no dma enabled? (that was afaik also a Dell)
[01:34] <delltony> i'm not playing a dvd at this point
[01:34] <delltony> s what does that have to do with anything ?
[01:34] <delltony> its overall system is slow
[01:35] <delltony> like the harddrive is fragmented to hell and back ro something i'm not sure what the issue is
[01:35] <delltony> but its annoying none the less
[01:35] <KaiL> uh, mobile P4
[01:35] <KaiL> apt-get install linux-686-smp
[01:35] <KaiL> (to enable HT)
[01:36] <delltony> aww so thats how you enable it
[01:36] <KaiL> ...and don't even THINK about disabling apic, afaik that breaks a lot
[01:36] <delltony> i don't knwo how to disable it
[01:36] <delltony> but i thought it was disabled
[01:36] <delltony> from bootup it says nolapci or whatever
[01:36] <delltony> any way to check
[01:37] <delltony> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:37] <delltony>   libpostproc-dev: Depends: libavcodec-dev (= 3:0.cvs20050121-1ubuntu1)
[01:37] <delltony>   linux-686-smp: Depends: linux-image-686-smp but it is not going to be installed
[01:37] <delltony>                  Depends: linux-restricted-modules-686-smp but it is not going to be installed
[01:37] <delltony> E: Unmet dependencies. Try apt-get -f install with no packages (or specify a solution).
[01:37] <delltony> delltony@bubbabox:/proc$  
[01:37] <KaiL> interesting...
[01:37] <delltony> nah i know why that h appened i think
[01:37] <KaiL> sudo apt-get update
[01:38] <delltony> i did the -f install to correct it i thin its working now
[01:38] <delltony> will keep you posted
[01:38] <KaiL> you aren't runninmg breezy, or? :)
[01:39] <delltony> no i'm on h oary
[01:39] <delltony> i learned my lession on hoary dev builds
[01:39] <KaiL> hehe
[01:39] <delltony> it hosed me big time when i tried to convert
[01:39] <delltony> but i learned alot
[01:39] <delltony> haha
[01:39] <delltony> didn't realize yo had to downgrade to upgrade 
[01:39] <KaiL> in fact I'm not even sure, what is better now, as there was something with HT + Speedstep...
[01:39] <delltony> i had backports and so forth but anyway thats another issue
[01:40] <delltony> well how you get apci to work?
[01:40] <delltony> or check to see if its working?
[01:40] <delltony> or not loaded
[01:40] <delltony> cause i swear i thought it was noapci on this thing
[01:41] <KaiL> look at kmenu -> system -> infocenter -> interrupts
[01:41] <KaiL> if you have IRQ-Numbers >15, apic must be on
[01:42] <KaiL> aah, you said slow!
[01:42] <KaiL> the CPU-Clock!
[01:42] <delltony> yeah 
[01:42] <delltony> its really slow for some reason
[01:43] <delltony> not sure if its harddrive i/o's or the cpu is not processing it fast enough ro what
[01:43] <KaiL> could you look at "processor" in the infocenter? ;)
[01:43] <delltony> ok what do you want me to look for ?
[01:43] <delltony> or report?
[01:43] <KaiL> the clock
[01:44] <KaiL> "cpu MHz" or so
[01:44] <delltony> 2793.714 
[01:45] <delltony> by the way that kernel image installed
[01:45] <delltony> don't i reboot and select it with grub
[01:45] <KaiL> 2,8GHz seams to be a typical value for a P4
[01:46] <doneill> speed is ranked in fops
[01:46] <doneill> frequency is intel hype, mostly :)
[01:46] <doneill> overclocking often reduces performance
[01:47] <delltony> i haven't overclocked
[01:47] <doneill> i'm just saying
[01:47] <KaiL> doneill: even better "only P4 needs >2GHz" :)
[01:47] <delltony> understood
[01:47] <doneill> higher frequency != faster
[01:47] <doneill> not to you personally :)
[01:47] <delltony> so anyway just reboot now?
[01:47] <delltony> with the ht enabled kernel?
[01:47] <delltony> or anything else i should check
[01:47] <KaiL> yes
[01:47] <delltony> how about hdparms?
[01:47] <KaiL> nop
[01:47] <delltony> ok
[01:47] <delltony> let me try 
[01:48] <delltony> oh and what about the acpi?
[01:48] <delltony> i had 16,17,18,28 irqs
[01:48] <delltony> so it appears tobe on
[01:48] <KaiL> then you have apic
[01:48] <delltony> let me restart then
[01:48] <delltony> do i have to select it from grub
[01:48] <delltony> or does it default to it automatically?
[01:48] <KaiL> better look into the list
[01:49] <KaiL> if it's the first entry, it'll be default 
[01:49] <delltony> ok
[01:49] <delltony> any way to look into the list instead of acutally on physical boot?
[01:50] <KaiL> you could look into /boot/grup/menu.lst
[01:50] <delltony> yeah its the first one
[01:50] <delltony> ok brb
[02:01] <nate> Anyone out there that can help me out with a Wine/Cedega problem?
[02:01] <delltony> the hyperthread support helped out alot
[02:01] <delltony> its running normal now
[02:01] <KaiL> interesting
[02:02] <nate> I keep getting this problem and I can't find a fix for it
[02:02] <delltony> well its not laggin thats for sure
[02:02] <nate> For language 'en' several language ids were found:
[02:02] <nate> en_US - 0409; en_GB - 0809; en_AU - 0C09; en_CA - 1009; en_NZ - 1409; en_IE - 1809; en_ZA - 1C09; en_JM - 2009; en_ - 2409; en_BZ - 2809; en_TT - 2C09;
[02:02] <nate> Instead of using first in the list, suggest to define
[02:02] <nate> your LANG environment variable like this: LANG=en_US
[02:02] <KaiL> didn't know, that the P4 needs this so much, I thought, the ~3GHz are enough :)
[02:02] <delltony> procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu----
[02:02] <delltony>  r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   so    bi    bo   in    cs us sy id wa
[02:02] <delltony>  0  0      0 172112  35892 150768    0    0   136    44  544   308 32 11 52  4
[02:02] <delltony> why is that cs always so dang high
[02:02] <delltony> i thought it was suppose to be in the 40's
[02:02] <delltony> or so
[02:03] <KaiL> what's that? :)
[02:03] <delltony> cpu switchs
[02:03] <KaiL> nate: it want's to tell you, that LANG shoult be "en_US", not "en" :)
[02:03] <KaiL> ah
[02:04] <KaiL> << never had an smp maschine in my fingers
[02:04] <KaiL> does the mobile P4 support Steedstep?
[02:05] <randabis> yes
[02:05] <nate> Yes but I never had this problem till I installed Wine
[02:06] <nate> even after I removed it I still have the problem....I can't figure out how to fix it
[02:06] <nate> I tried dpkg-reconfigure locales
[02:06] <nate> but that didn't work either
[02:07] <KaiL> randabis: so there is a way to come down from this extrem high clock? (remember: nearly all other modern CPUs sit most of the time at or below 1GHz)
[02:08] <nate> KaiL: How do I switch the langauge?
[02:09] <KaiL> should be in /etc/environment
[02:10] <nate> LANGUAGE="en_US"
[02:10] <nate> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[02:10] <nate> thats what I have at the file you gave me
[02:10] <KaiL> that looks ok..?!?
[02:10] <nate> ya...but it still pops out the error
[02:13] <KaiL> hmm, powernowd (as in hoary) supports all CPUs except? bingo: P4 with HT :)
[02:15] <delltony> KaiL, do you use flashgot and if so how do you make it where if the extension is .php or whatever it will not download it?
[02:16] <KaiL> if the extension for a file is .php and the browser wants to download it, go to the server admin and shoot him
[02:16] <delltony> haha
[02:16] <delltony> nah i'm trying to pull some stuuff off of torrentflux but when i select all links it does the phps too
[02:27] <othernoob> is there another prog for ace files besides unace?
[02:36] <nate> LANGUAGE="en_US"
[02:36] <nate> LANG=en_US
[02:36] <nate> Wow man I'm seriously boggled with this error
[02:36] <nate> my files are all correct...yet I can't get anything to work 
[02:36] <nate> makes no sense to me at all
[02:57] <monchy> mm pizza
[03:18] <CellarDoor> anyone home ?
[03:19] <CellarDoor> I'd like to get a tv tuner for my puter and I was wondering what might be best to get if I'm using kubuntu ?
[03:47] <Tm_T> hmh
[03:48] <penguinboy> Howdy Guys!
[03:48] <Tm_T> hullo
[03:48] <penguinboy> is it quiet in the kubuntu room tonight?
[03:51] <Tm_T> well, yeah
[03:51] <penguinboy> lol
[03:54] <monchy> always
[03:55] <Tm_T> plah
[03:56] <monchy> i tried core 4 earlier for a couple hours
[03:56] <penguinboy> how did you like it?
[03:56] <monchy> meh
[03:56] <Tm_T> it's RH anyway :/
[03:57] <monchy> i don't see what the hype was all about lol
[03:57] <penguinboy> I used Core 1 & 2....I wasn;t thrilled
[03:57] <Tm_T> I use FC 3
[03:57] <Tm_T> and I dont' like it
[03:57] <penguinboy> I think Kubuntu/Ubuntu is the best there us
[03:57] <monchy> the interface felt clunky for fedora-kde
[03:58] <monchy> there was just something about it that made me hate it
[03:58] <kalenedrael> yeah, it's called fedora
[03:58] <penguinboy> I have used Red Hat 7.0...Red Hat 9.0...Mandrake 9.1,,,Fedore Core 1...Fedora Core 2...SuSE 9.0a...Ubuntu Warty...Ubuntu Hoary...Kubuntu Hoary
[03:59] <Tm_T> heh
[03:59] <kalenedrael> i can't stand gnome
[03:59] <penguinboy> no....I much prefer KDE
[03:59] <kalenedrael> it looks so ugly
[03:59] <penguinboy> slicker use
[03:59] <Tm_T> some BSD:s, Debian, FC3, (K)Ubuntu
[03:59] <Tm_T> about that
[03:59] <penguinboy> I would like to try BSD
[04:00] <penguinboy> now YAST in SuSE is really nice...but it is no apt
[04:05] <penguinboy> hey ubuntu
[04:06] <monchy> oO
[04:06] <penguinboy> lol
[04:07] <Tm_T> ...and /kb
[04:07] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[04:09] <monchy> man i wish someone would port the gant 3 icons to kde
[04:11] <Tm_T> eh
[04:11] <Tm_T> there's not much "porting"
[04:11] <monchy> so it's not hard to do?
[04:12] <Tm_T> well, it depends
[04:12] <sirukin> they're just icons...
[04:12] <sirukin> who cares?
[04:12] <Tm_T> if icons are just png pics...
[04:12] <monchy> yeah i think it's all png
[04:12] <Tm_T> just copy them to proper place and that's it
[04:12] <sirukin> monchy, something for *you* to do.
[04:13] <sirukin> submit to kde-look when your done
[04:13] <sirukin> I'll be sure to whine about it's copyright status.
[04:13] <penguinboy> lol
[04:13] <monchy> if they are as rude as you i'll just keep it to myself lol
[04:13] <penguinboy> lol
[04:13] <penguinboy> lol
[04:13] <sirukin> =D
[04:14] <monchy> maybe i'll port some ugly windows 3.1 icons for you to enjoy
[04:14] <penguinboy> LOL
[04:14] <sirukin> I'll install an older version of wine and pretend I'm actually using windows 3.1
[04:14] <penguinboy> now that's funny
[04:15] <monchy> why pretend, just use the original...and never come back ;)
[04:15] <monchy> ever
[04:15] <sirukin> but windows 3.1 won't let me connect to irc and make sarcastic comments.
[04:15] <sirukin> :[
[04:15] <penguinboy> lol
[04:16] <penguinboy> these icons are 10 MB in rar extension
[04:16] <monchy> yeap
[04:16] <monchy> glad you can count
[04:16] <penguinboy> LOL
[04:16] <monchy> just how long did it take you to get up to 10?
[04:16] <penguinboy> 56 secs
[04:16] <monchy> good for you, go sit in the corner
[04:17] <sirukin> seriously though, I don't even know what "gant 3" icons are
[04:17] <penguinboy> kewl looking they are
[04:17] <sirukin> :/
[04:19] <penguinboy> may I ask a stupid question?
[04:19] <sirukin> don't ping me
[04:19] <penguinboy> lol
[04:19] <monchy> i wouldn't, sirukin will jump your bone
[04:19] <penguinboy> lol
[04:19] <monchy> "omg a question!?!?!"
[04:19] <penguinboy> I thought rar was a windows-based extention
[04:19] <sirukin> heh
[04:20] <penguinboy> extension
[04:21] <crimsun> it has nothing to do with windows
[04:21] <penguinboy> okay
[04:21] <penguinboy> and it is not a tarball
[04:22] <penguinboy> so what is it...and how do I install
[04:22] <sirukin> this is covered in the wiki
[04:22] <sirukin> www.ubuntulinix.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:23] <sirukin> I think thats it
[04:23] <sirukin> :S
[04:23] <sirukin> minus an I
[04:23] <penguinboy> linux is mispelled
[04:23] <sirukin> LINIX!
[04:23] <sirukin> hehehe
[04:23] <penguinboy> lol
[04:24] <penguinboy> www.ubuntulinux.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:24] <penguinboy> lol
[04:24] <penguinboy> lol
[04:24] <penguinboy> lol
[04:24] <Tm_T> sirukin: you can irc in windows 3.1 
[04:24] <monchy> oh no
[04:24] <penguinboy> Torvalds is misspelled
[04:24] <Tm_T> !
[04:24] <sirukin> BAH
[04:24] <sirukin> hehe
[04:24] <sirukin> Tm_T, no I can't.
[04:24] <monchy> woohoo
[04:25] <Tm_T> sirukin: oh yes you can
[04:25] <monchy> no, no he can't
[04:25] <Tm_T> sirukin: been there, done that
[04:25] <monchy> just leave it at that ;)
[04:25] <sirukin> windows 3.1 doesn't support vpns
[04:25] <Tm_T> no I won't! ] ;=
[04:25] <sirukin> although I'm sure someone more knowledge with windows 3.1's driver interface could hack together a network driver or something
[04:25] <Tm_T> sirukin: so?
[04:26] <sirukin> so, just stfu and leave me alone.
[04:26] <penguinboy> hey Slicer
[04:26] <sirukin> LEAAAAVE MEEEE ALOOOONE
[04:26] <penguinboy> LOL
[04:26] <Tm_T> sirukin: you don't have to use _local_ client
[04:27] <nmorse> Does Putty run on 3.1?
[04:27] <monchy> now if only a convienent natural disaster would sweep him away lol
[04:27] <penguinboy> lo
[04:27] <penguinboy> lol
[04:27] <Tm_T> nmorse: nope :/
[04:27] <Tm_T> nmorse: but there's serial port ;)
[04:27] <nmorse> God forbid
[04:28] <Tm_T> AND there's pretty easy way to get mirc running in wfw3.11
[04:29] <penguinboy> are the repositories still down?
[04:30] <monchy> think so
[04:30] <sirukin> I don't know, I installed kubuntu, and have been replacing random applications/libraries since last month
[04:31] <penguinboy> my synaptic locks up on me....anyone else have that problem?
[04:32] <sirukin> kynaptic is a joke
[04:32] <sirukin> :(
[04:32] <penguinboy> yes it is
[04:32] <penguinboy> almost unusable
[04:32] <penguinboy> not veryuser friendly
[04:32] <sirukin> there's a reason I used synaptic when I had warty on, I could *search* and know what the differance between applications was.
[04:33] <sirukin> err
[04:33] <sirukin> packages
[04:33] <sirukin> :S
[04:33] <sirukin> lack of descriptions is quite weak.
[04:33] <sirukin> may as well use the command-line
[04:33] <penguinboy> i just lost my  task bar by pressing ctrl-alt-esc to try and end Synaptic....how can I get it back?
[04:34] <penguinboy> any ideas on the tasjbar
[04:35] <penguinboy> i will reboor
[04:35] <penguinboy> reboot
[04:36] <sirukin> hmm
[04:36] <sirukin> :[
[04:47] <nmorse> hmm, command line provides descriptions
[04:47] <nmorse> If Kynaptic doesn't, that's a big failure
[04:47] <Tm_T> define command line
[04:47] <nmorse> apt
[04:47] <nmorse> not aptitude, not dselect
[04:48] <nmorse> though dselect has descriptions
[04:48] <Tm_T> apt <3
[04:48] <mrmanic> I love apt.
[04:50] <Consty> Anyone know the general length of time between releases for kubuntu?  (probably should be in the faq) :)
[04:51] <nmorse> 6 months
[04:51] <nmorse> coinciding with Ubuntu's releases I think
[04:52] <nmorse> Which coincide with GNOME releases
[04:53] <gassman> hello quick qeustion here i recently installed kubuntu after using SuSE for the past six months after the installation was done kde booted fine but my probelm is i never got to se the root password anybody know what happened??
[04:53] <CellarDoor> is anyone using mythtv on their kubuntu box atm ?
[04:54] <CellarDoor> ah
[04:54] <CellarDoor> you don't set a root password
[04:54] <gassman> ok
[04:54] <gassman> what do i do
[04:54] <nmorse> use sudo
[04:54] <gassman> what is that
[04:54] <gassman> i have never used a debien distro
[04:54] <nmorse> It's like su, but easier to use
[04:55] <CellarDoor> yah
[04:55] <nmorse> It's an Ubuntu thing, not a Debian thing, actually
[04:55] <gassman> $ sudo
[04:55] <CellarDoor> iyam a bit of a n00b and sudo is my friend
[04:55] <nmorse> It asks for your user password
[04:55] <nmorse> Then works like su
[04:55] <gassman> ok there has to b a password 
[04:55] <gassman> ill try 
[04:56] <nmorse> If you really want a root password, you can make one
[04:56] <nmorse> But it's not necessary
[04:56] <CellarDoor> :)
[04:56] <gassman> do i type sudo plus username
[04:56] <nmorse> No, just sudo
[04:56] <nmorse> followed by the command
[04:57] <CellarDoor> it will ask for your user password
[04:57] <gassman> ok
[04:57] <Consty> nmorse: kinda sucks that sound doesn't work with the live cd, but I can wait till the next release.
[04:57] <gassman> so for example sudo ./install software
[04:57] <nmorse> "sudo apt-get install gramps" is an example
[04:57] <Consty> nmorse: unless the 5.04.2 fixes it and has a newer version of alsa or the .11 kernel?
[04:57] <CellarDoor> hmm whats gramps ?
[04:57] <CellarDoor> ;)
[04:57] <nmorse> What software are you installing from ./?
[04:57] <nmorse> Gramps is a genealogy program
[04:58] <CellarDoor> aah
[04:58] <crimsun> err, what card, Consty?
[04:58] <gassman> flash plugin
[04:58] <Consty> crimsun: Audigy 2 Value
[04:58] <crimsun> that does work
[04:58] <nmorse> There's a flash plugin in non-free, gassman
[04:58] <CellarDoor> so... no one's using MythTV at all ?
[04:58] <Consty> crimsun: nah, its bugged or something
[04:58] <crimsun> you just need to install alsa-source from universe
[04:58] <Consty> crimsun: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21211
[04:58] <crimsun> didn't I walk you through that procedure?
[04:58] <Consty> yeah
[04:58] <nmorse> my family uses GeneWeb though
[04:59] <CellarDoor> I've got a bone to pick
[04:59] <gassman> so sudo is easier that su
[04:59] <nmorse> It's nice to see a program written in OCaml in common use
[04:59] <Consty> it works for my installation of kubuntu, but for the live cd?
[04:59] <nmorse> sudo is easier than su, yes
[04:59] <CellarDoor> yeah I like sudo
[04:59] <gassman> but is it as secure
[04:59] <nmorse> Yeah, actually
[04:59] <nmorse> There's a file called /etc/sudoers
[04:59] <gassman> with su u have a totaly diffent password
[04:59] <crimsun> Consty: you can do the same for the live cd
[04:59] <nmorse> It lets you set sudo policies
[04:59] <crimsun> Consty: your changes are not saved, of course...
[04:59] <nmorse> check out your sudoers file sometime
[04:59] <gassman> this is like a differnt world
[05:00] <nmorse> Yeah, an easier one
[05:00] <Consty> crimsun: Well the network where I use it in not connected to the internet.
[05:00] <gassman> well i been using linux for only six months and used strictly suse
[05:00] <gassman> is there a sharp learning curve??
[05:00] <nmorse> I didn't like SUSE much
[05:00] <CellarDoor> I think sudo was started by Apple wasn't it ?
[05:00] <nmorse> I don't think so
[05:01] <CellarDoor> nevermind me then
[05:01] <CellarDoor> :P
[05:01] <nmorse> gassman: Ubuntu/Kubuntu has the lowest learning curve of any distro I've ever tried
[05:01] <nmorse> I've tried about two dozen and a half dozen other OS's
[05:01] <Octane> any good  mailing lists here for amd64 kubuntu users?
[05:01] <CellarDoor> I learned more in a week of using kubuntu than I did in nine months of using mandrake
[05:02] <gassman> how
[05:02] <CellarDoor> simplicity
[05:02] <CellarDoor> and plenty of help at the ubuntu site
[05:02] <CellarDoor> and in here too ;)
[05:03] <Consty> Yeah the community really sets ubuntu way ahead of the rest.
[05:03] <CellarDoor> I found I just started learning linux basics more easily and it didn't seem as complicated
[05:04] <gassman> but i cant install flash player in the konqueror browser should i download firefox instead and if so how do i go about getting it from apt-get
[05:05] <CellarDoor> hmm should be info on flash at the ubuntu site
[05:05] <Consty> konqueror completely supports firefox's plugins, so it should work just fine.
[05:06] <CellarDoor> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:06] <nmorse> or the FAQ in the topic
[05:07] <gassman> well i geuss i will trouble shoot and try to figure it out
[05:07] <nmorse> Just install the flash plugin from the mozilla-flash package
[05:07] <nmorse> Then go to Konqueror's Plugin set and hit Scan for New Plugins
[05:07] <gassman> another qeustion when i go to control panel it asks for a password do i use my password
[05:08] <nmorse> Yeah
[05:08] <CellarDoor> add multiverse repository then so "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"
[05:08] <nmorse> Anywhere you would use the root password, use yours
[05:08] <gassman> this is way diffrent than other linux distro i use
[05:09] <nmorse> Yeah, but it's easier for most stuff too
[05:09] <gassman> think i better hang out here alot till i get used to this distro
[05:09] <nmorse> Welcome to the group, then
[05:09] <gassman> is this the default irc channel for kubuntu
[05:09] <CellarDoor> :)
[05:09] <CellarDoor> yes
[05:09] <gassman> hope u guys are friendly
[05:10] <gassman> im gonna ask a bunch of newbie qeustions
[05:10] <CellarDoor> friendliest group I've come accross
[05:10] <crimsun> we're mean
[05:10] <crimsun> we have big, sharp, pointy teeth.
[05:10] <CellarDoor> :P
[05:10] <nmorse> I'll BBIAM, have to run and get food
[05:10] <crimsun> -rawr-
[05:10] <CellarDoor> hehe
[05:10] <gassman> im scared
[05:10] <nmorse> By food, I mean kill and eat a newbie
[05:10] <gassman> :((
[05:10] <CellarDoor> well, that was easy
[05:11] <CellarDoor> I just installed flash
[05:11] <CellarDoor> :D
[05:12] <CellarDoor> I'm a bit lazy with things like that... then when I eventually get around to it I find it wasn't hard and only takes a few secs
[05:12] <Octane> any good kubuntu mailing list
[05:12] <CellarDoor> gassman, the ubuntu site is great for getting help from
[05:13] <gassman> i will check it out
[05:14] <CellarDoor> It has guided me though how to install repositories and stuff when I had never used a Debian based distro before
[05:14] <Octane> friggin kynpatic wont remember my root pw
[05:15] <CellarDoor> ?
[05:15] <CellarDoor> my kynaptic is acting a bit funny
[05:15] <gassman> cellardoor duno how u install plugin with that command it gives me $couldn't find package flashplugin-nonfree
[05:16] <gassman> what the hell is nonfree
[05:16] <CellarDoor> yeah, gassman you have to set up repositories first
[05:16] <gassman> o yeah
[05:16] <CellarDoor> flashplugin-nonfree is in the multiverse repository
[05:17] <gassman> repository with apt-get
[05:17] <CellarDoor> once you've done that you can happily install most plugins with a simple command
[05:17] <CellarDoor> yeah
[05:17] <CellarDoor> oh
[05:17] <CellarDoor> just a sec
[05:18] <CellarDoor> here is the ubuntu "adding repositories howto": http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto/view?searchterm=repositories
[05:20] <gassman> i apreciate the link i will have to bookmark it and get back to it tommorrow its passed my bedtime in the meantime is there a good time i can catch u tommorrow nite or for that matter the day(s) after 
[05:21] <gassman> your a very helpful source
[05:21] <CellarDoor> no probs If I'm here, I'm here
[05:21] <CellarDoor> I'm just passing on info really
[05:21] <CellarDoor> :P
[05:21] <gassman> alright man hope run into u again thanx again man later
[05:30] <dudinatrix> Hi there.. I'm a linux noob, currently just installed Ubuntu and am trying to use Synaptics to install kubuntu-desktop.  Looks like it's failing on a few packages, saying there are md5sum errors.  I see something about that in the topic... think thats my problem?  I just want to make sure before moving ahead
[05:30] <nmorse> yeah
[05:30] <Octane> why is it that i cant run kde apps from Konsole
[05:30] <nmorse> run the sudo sed command above
[05:30] <nmorse> huh?
[05:30] <monchy> what exactly does it do nmorse? the sudo sed cmd that is
[05:31] <nmorse> It replaces the us.archive.ubuntu.org with just archive.ubuntu.org
[05:31] <Octane> say what, nmorse ?
[05:31] <dudinatrix> should i replace it back after doing the kubuntu-desktop install, or leave it like that?
[05:31] <nmorse> Sed is a regular expressions tool for altering text
[05:31] <monchy> oh, so it's just the same as doing it via sudo kedit etc etc
[05:31] <nmorse> Yeah
[05:31] <monchy> k, thanks ^^
[05:31] <nmorse> Except without an editor
[05:32] <nmorse> dudinatrix: just leave your sources.list the way it ends up after the command
[05:32] <monchy> i'm sure us/ca will be fixed in no time
[05:32] <dudinatrix> thanks nmorse.. appreciate it!
[05:32] <Octane> nmorse, wheneve rit ry to run things from Konsole, like kwrite, i get the error "cannot connect to X server"
[05:32] <nmorse> Okay, are you logged in as you?
[05:33] <nmorse> or as root?
[05:33] <Octane> yes
[05:33] <Octane> root@dan:/home/dan/download # kwrite
[05:33] <Octane> kwrite: cannot connect to X server
[05:33] <nmorse> you can't do it as root unless you export several variables I don't remember
[05:33] <Octane> root@dan:/home/dan/download # firestarter
[05:33] <Octane> (firestarter:24913): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[05:33] <Octane> i did su -
[05:34] <nmorse> Octane: you'll have to use sudo to get X apps to work as root
[05:36] <Octane> nmorse,  alright ill live, thanks :)
[05:41] <dudinatrix> when installing kubuntu-desktop.. is the "select the desired default display manager" just specifying gdm if i want gnome by default, and kdm if i want kde by default?  or is this refering to something else?
[05:41] <nmorse> dadgummit, what's it take to get into #freebsd?
[05:41] <nmorse> No, KDM and GDM are seperate programs
[05:41] <mrmanic> dudinatrix: gdm is the gnome login manager, and kdm is the kde login manager
[05:41] <nmorse> They're the login managers
[05:41] <nmorse> I prefer KDM, some prefer GDM
[05:41] <nmorse> XDM is the devil
[05:41] <mrmanic> dudinatrix: you can choose either desktop environment from either of them.
[05:41] <nmorse> and startxfce4 is the bomb
[05:41] <dudinatrix> can i switch it later?
[05:41] <mrmanic> iaw nmorse, XDM is the devil
[05:42] <mrmanic> dudinatrix: sure
[05:42] <dudinatrix> awesome... KDM it is ;)
[05:42] <dudinatrix> thanks
[05:42] <nmorse> mrmanic: every try XDM on Vector Linux?
[05:43] <mrmanic> nmorse: no.
[05:43] <mrmanic> I tried xdm for a little while when I hosed my kdm config :\
[05:44] <nmorse> XDM on Vector is a whole nother experience
[05:44] <nmorse> It's like it's trying to be a real display manager
[05:44] <nmorse> But it still is horrible at it
[05:45] <nmorse> I hate trying to use XDM for stuff, I'd rather open twm and then hit startkde
[05:49] <dudinatrix> wow that seemed way too easy.. looks like kubuntu-desktop is installed.  time to reboot -- thanks again for your help :)
[05:49] <nmorse> BBIAM
[05:53] <jkeel> hi all
[05:54] <jkeel> does anyone know what packages are required for compiling KDE window decs?
[05:54] <jkeel> I'm getting errors regarding kdecoration.h
[06:10] <Octane> is there a good gui ftp?
[06:11] <nmorse> KBear
[06:11] <nmorse> or GFTP
[06:14] <Octane> thanks, again
[06:14] <Bicchi> terminal then type ftp
[06:15] <Octane> thanks!
[06:15] <Octane> lol
[06:15] <Bicchi> nice black and white gui
[06:16] <nmorse> Like the FAQ in the topic?
[06:43] <Octane> anyone know why is it that i do gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 0x529B8BDA like the kubuntu faq says, nothing really happens
[06:43] <Octane> gpg says keyring added twice and then just hangs, i have to ctrl c it
[06:43] <parabolize> how do I open kate or kwrite as a super user? sudo kate doesn't work
[06:44] <mrmanic> parabolize: does it give you an error?
[06:44] <nmorse> sudo kate gives me errors all the time
[06:45] <parabolize> yes hold on
[06:46] <Octane> parabolize, same here
[06:46] <Octane> sudo kwrit works though
[06:47] <parabolize> funky the error changed. this time it said something reakky simple like kate: error kate could not load
[06:48] <nmorse> Yeah, the error's never the same
[06:48] <nmorse> It really bugs me
[06:49] <nmorse> I use Kate a lot, but I use joe for sudo'ed stuff most of the time now
[06:49] <Octane> i prefer kwrite anyway
[06:49] <nmorse> Try joe on the command line
[06:49] <nmorse> No better editor, except vim maybe
[06:50] <parabolize> well nano works... anyway the error had something to do with expecting a different user
[06:52] <nmorse> I think it tries to load itself as if you're root
[06:52] <nmorse> When you're parabolize
[06:55] <nmorse> which doesn't work of course
[06:55] <nmorse> and if you do load it as root, it doesn't work because you can't connect to the X server
[06:55] <Octane> when i run gpg, nothing happens after this line, i can only exist by doing ctrl-c -- gpg: keyring `/root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg' created
[06:56] <parabolize> its been a long time sense I used kde. /etc/init.d/kdm stop well turn off x and all the opengl stuff right?
[06:56] <Octane> yes
[06:56] <parabolize> cool
[07:01] <dudinatrix> So, I just recently installed kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu... and got KDE up and running, and I loved it.  I tried changing icon themes, and all of a sudden, my KDE is broken.. especially when I try to get in Konquerer.. it will freeze and my hard drive will go nuts.  it says "No items. No files. No folders." ... so now I'm back in gnome.  can i uninstall kubuntu-desktop and reinstall it?
[07:06] <nmorse> dadgummit, for a second almost everybody left according to Konversation, and then came right back
[07:06] <dudinatrix> i tried to change an icon theme.. there were like 4 themes in there and i tried applying one (don't recall the name), then everything went nuts.  so, note to self.. ignore those icon themes for a while.. ;)
[07:07] <dudinatrix> wow, was that a net split?  at least, i think that was the termonology from back in the day.  it's been a while since i've been on irc.
[07:07] <nmorse> Wait, don't uninstall it
[07:07] <mrmanic> that was a netsplit, yeah
[07:08] <nmorse> Add 'deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main' to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:08] <nmorse> Then do a 'sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade'
[07:09] <dudinatrix> ok.. i'll give that a try
[07:11] <dudinatrix> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[07:11] <dudinatrix> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[07:11] <dudinatrix> any idea what that means?
[07:12] <nmorse> Didn't use sudo
[07:12] <dudinatrix> i did though
[07:13] <nmorse> Hmm, do 'sudo apt-get upgrade'
[07:13] <nmorse> I seem to have left that off up there
[07:14] <dudinatrix> looks like its trying to upgrade kaffeine and knetworkconf ... is that what i want?
[07:15] <nmorse> It should upgrade more than that
[07:15] <nmorse> try replacing that kubuntu.org line with the one in the topic
[07:16] <nmorse> Hopefully the 3.4.1 update will fix the problem then
[07:16] <dudinatrix> ahhh there, now its upgrading a bunch
[07:17] <nmorse> Hopefully that will fix it
[07:17] <dudinatrix> if not, i can do that --purge you mentioned, right?
[07:18] <nmorse> Yeah, that should do it
[07:18] <dudinatrix> you're awesome.. thanks for the 5th time!
[07:18] <mrmanic> man
[07:19] <mrmanic> my solution is always to blow away my .kde directory
[07:19] <mrmanic> that solves most of my problems
[07:19] <nmorse> I figured --purge would do that, but after RTFM I'm not so sure
[07:19] <nmorse> He may just have to manually 'rm -rf ~/.kde/'
[07:24] <mrmanic> I'd actually recomment mv ~/.kde ~/.kdebak
[07:24] <mrmanic> or something like that
[07:24] <mrmanic> er, recommend
[07:24] <mrmanic> I must be exhausted or something...my spelling is normally impeccable
[07:25] <mrmanic> at any rate, using mv, you can actually move specific things from one to another, so you don't lose important stuff
[07:26] <nmorse> Yeah, but mv'ing directories is a skill I've never been good at
[07:27] <dudinatrix> ahh man.
[07:28] <nmorse> Didn't work?
[07:28] <dudinatrix> its trying to do another update, linux-image-2.6.10-5-386_2.6.10-34.2_i386.deb --- I tried doing it before, but it fails because i'm using ndiswrapper for my wireless.. so anyway, its not part of the kde upgrade, but its trying to do the linux-image one and fails.. and shoots it back to the command prompt
[07:29] <dudinatrix> (its trying to overwrite the ndiswrapper but can't, thats why it fails)
[07:30] <nmorse> Hmm, I'm trying to remember how to flag a package to not be upgraded
[07:35] <dudinatrix> in Synaptics... i found the package.. then selected "lock version" ... think that'll do it?
[07:37] <dudinatrix> weird.. i just realized all my fonts aren't smoothed anymore in gnome either (another thing i saw back in KDE).. even when i attempt to turn on the smoothing, it does nothin.
[07:39] <nmorse> Odd indeed
[07:45] <dudinatrix> bbiab
[08:03] <dudinatrix> man, well nothing was working.. so i wiped out .kde as suggested (mv) .. lo and behold.. works fine now!?
[08:03] <nmorse> Excellent
[08:05] <dudinatrix> hopefully all is well.. thanks for helping me work that out
[08:05] <mrmanic> dudinatrix: glad it worked out
[08:06] <dudinatrix> me too! :)
[08:06] <mrmanic> dudinatrix: if there's anything you did that you need to get back, you can probably find it in .kdebak/share/config and .kdebak/share/apps
[08:06] <mrmanic> you'll figure out what I mean after a quick ls of those directories
[08:07] <dudinatrix> ok i'll check that out.. but i really didn't do much at all before it went nuts on me so i think i'm good to go
[08:13] <dudinatrix> alright i'm going to bed.. g'night
[08:26] <thiesen> good morning guys ... just a quick question, you got a live CD containing KOffice 1.4 beta, but the packages are not in breezy.... are there any packages yet?
[08:51] <hussam> hi, I compiled and installed planetpenguin-racer but I can't seem to be able to run it
[08:51] <hussam> gives error: open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory
[08:51] <hussam> tuxracer never gave this error
[08:51] <hussam> what should I do?
[09:10] <nmorse> God, I hate when it decides I should change my nick for no reason and then makes me identify to get back to my old one'
[11:50] <Alfred1881> hey all, why does kde on kubuntu have a small amount of appz
[12:04] <davjocmure> anyone here?
[12:04] <Tm_T> hm?
[12:04] <Tm_T> incubii!
[12:12] <weedar> Are there any good webdesign applications for linux/KDE?
[12:12] <Tm_T> Quanta Plus
[12:13] <Niki> bluefish is quite a nice editor for web-pages
[12:13] <weedar> Thanks guys, I'll try those!
[12:14] <weedar> btw Tm_T, I assume the "quanta" I find with apt-get is not the same as quanta plus?
[12:14] <Tm_T> hm?
[12:15] <Tm_T> weedar: it is the same
[12:15] <weedar> okay
[12:43] <Somez> guys can someone help me with kubuntu + crossover office 4.2?
[12:43] <Somez> I have a really annoying problem...
[12:43] <Somez> it seems to be kubuntu reated
[12:43] <Somez> related
[12:44] <Tm_T> retarted ;)
[12:46] <Somez> :-))
[12:46] <Somez> no it's not :-)
[12:46] <Tm_T> haha
[12:47] <Somez> If I run IE with cxoffice, when I press one of the "" buttons, only a "" is displayed..
[12:47] <Somez> that's my big problem
[12:49] <Tm_T> hmm
[12:50] <dreumah> what is better to install kubuntu or ubuntu?
[12:50] <Tm_T> dreumah: Kubuntu <3
[12:50] <dreumah> i see
[12:50] <Somez> Kubuntu is marvelous :-)
[12:50] <Tm_T> dreumah: I think it's best to install Ubuntu and then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ;)
[12:50] <Tm_T> so you got them both
[12:51] <dreumah> but i really just need one of them no?
[12:51] <Somez> :-)
[12:51] <Somez> yeah
[12:51] <Tm_T> yup
[12:51] <Somez> if you want to use a gnome based app, then you can simply install the corresponding packages
[12:51] <Somez> so gnome apps are also working with kubuntu
[12:51] <Somez> of course :-)
[12:52] <dreumah> cool
[12:52] <dreumah> what package manager is the best one to use?
[12:52] <Tm_T> apt
[12:52] <Tm_T> all you need is apt
[12:52] <dreumah> so synaptic
[12:52] <dreumah> or kynaptics?
[12:52] <CruNcher> kpackage
[12:52] <Tm_T> no, apt
[12:53] <dreumah> shell apt
[12:53] <CruNcher> Tm_T ithink hes talking about a gui for it :P
[12:53] <dreumah> ?
[12:53] <dreumah> yeah
[12:53] <Somez> synaptic is also good for newbies
[12:53] <Tm_T> gui :/
[12:53] <Tm_T> apt <3
[12:53] <CruNcher> kpackage :D
[12:53] <Somez> :-)
[12:54] <CruNcher> Tm_T ubuntu wants 10% Marketshare by 2010 only with apt that will be hard to reach ;)
[12:54] <dreumah> do i need a firewall?
[12:55] <dreumah> virus scanner?
[12:55] <Tm_T> nope
[12:55] <Tm_T> but firestarter is a good app to watch your traffic
[12:56] <dreumah> cool thanks
[01:04] <dreumah> so firestarter is a firewall then
[01:04] <Tm_T> nno, it's a gui for a firewall
[01:05] <Tm_T> just like synaptic
[01:05] <dreumah> ahhh
[01:05] <Tm_T> is gui for apt
[01:05] <dreumah> how does firestarter compare to guarddog then?
[01:06] <Tm_T> haven't use guarddog so I don't know
[01:06] <dreumah> well it has a lot more options to bloack and allow applications to communicate
[01:07] <dreumah> a touch of zone alarm only it doesnt prompt you to what you want to allow or not
[01:07] <Tm_T> heh
[01:07] <Tm_T> try firestarter and choose your favorite
[01:08] <dreumah> well i am running firestarter right now
[01:08] <Tm_T> ok
[01:09] <folken> greetings, where does one find the mscorefonts package? There seems to be no install candidate, despite me adding multiverse and universe to the sources.list. 
[01:09] <airox> hi
[01:09] <Tm_T> folken: hmm
[01:10] <airox> Konqueror is rather slow imho. When I enter a page it waits for a while before fetching and displaying the page. What could be the problem ?
[01:10] <folken> Tm_T the correct package name seems to be msttcorefonts. Its also referenced by openoffice2.org .. but i'm unable to find it. 
[01:11] <Tm_T> folken: I think it's in multiverse...
[01:12] <folken> Tm_T hmm might be a classic case of Plbkac.. 
[01:12] <Tm_T> ?
[01:12] <Tm_T> folken: have you done "apt-get update" ;)
[01:13] <folken> Tm_T ok, its confirmed.. i'm a bozo.. forgott one line in sources.list. 
[01:14] <folken> Tm_T thx for making me think about it again. :)
[01:14] <Tm_T> =)
[01:14] <airox> Are there some major issues that are solved in 3.4.1 btw ?
[01:14] <Tm_T> airox: bugfixes etc
[01:14] <Tm_T> no reason to stick with 3.4.0
[01:14] <airox> Ok.
[01:15] <folken> airox: if your talking about kde.. its a lot better than 3.4.0. Virtually no segfaults.. 
[01:15] <airox> hehe
[01:15] <folken> its the first kde that i dare to use day-to-day.. and mind you i'm a diehard fvwm user. 
[01:16] <airox> I have used KDE 3.2 a while back but also found 3.4 to be very nice :)
[01:16] <folken> now.. if the widget drawing would be faster.. i'd be a very happy sob. 
[01:16] <airox> Only the konqueror behavior is rather slow :/
[01:16] <airox> Would I do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[01:16] <airox> Or kde ?
[01:17] <airox> (For upgrading.)
[01:17] <folken> airox: do you have an old distro? 
[01:18] <Tm_T> airox: topic
[01:18] <Tm_T> and kubuntu-desktop :)
[01:18] <airox> I already have kde installed next to gnome.
[01:18] <Tm_T> oh
[01:18] <airox> Could I use the update manager 
[01:18] <airox> ?
[01:18] <Tm_T> hmm, yeah
[01:19] <airox> Ok then :)
[01:19] <Tm_T> like apt ;--P
[01:19] <airox> Well I use apt a lot, but the update manager frontend is nice :)
[01:19] <airox> I like to click ;)
[01:19] <Tm_T> :/
[01:19] <airox> wow
[01:19] <airox> 135M O_o
[01:20] <Tm_T> oh, gotta go ->
[01:20] <airox> bye
[01:20] <airox> and tnx
[01:20] <folken> jup.. kde is large. 
[01:21] <CruNcher> (airox): Konqueror is rather slow imho. When I enter a page it waits for a while before fetching and displaying the page. What could be the problem ? <- same here seems its fetching everything before displaying can this be changed to firefox "display as it loads style" ?
[01:21] <airox> Yes, exactly CruNcher.
[01:21] <airox> Strange behaviour :)
[01:22] <airox> When you aren't used to it.
[01:22] <CruNcher> jep
[01:22] <edulix> hi !
[01:22] <airox> hi edulix !
[01:22] <edulix> anyone have azureus here ?
[01:22] <airox> Yes.
[01:22] <edulix> for each second I have the azureus window opened, Xorg uses more and more memory. both swap and ram
[01:22] <edulix> when it's docked it doesn't happen
[01:22] <edulix> (docked == in the system tray)
[01:23] <CruNcher> edulix hehe
[01:23] <CruNcher> same behaviour as on windows
[01:23] <edulix> I mean, yesterday I noticed Xorg was taking 791mb of swap you know... then I run out of swap and the PC freezed
[01:24] <airox> Anybody got some suggestions about nice applications for KDE ? :)
[01:24] <CruNcher> i think thats the pain of java ;)
[01:24] <edulix> CruNcher: well are you sure ?
[01:25] <edulix> CruNcher: I mean, it's not that "oh shit java, slow, memory hungry". it seems more like a buffer overflow or something
[01:25] <CruNcher> i only know that behaviour exactly as you describe it from the Windows version
[01:25] <edulix> oh
[01:25] <CruNcher> the azureus windows is wide open it sucks memory all the time
[01:25] <CruNcher> you minimize it its back to normal
[01:25] <CruNcher> you open it again it starts sucking
[01:26] <airox> hehe
[01:26] <edulix> CruNcher: minimize or send to system tray ?
[01:26] <CruNcher> minimize is enough so the gui is not drawn
[01:26] <edulix> ah true, I just checked
[01:26] <CruNcher> i think it has todo with java and the gui
[01:27] <CruNcher> and im sure we not the only one who expirience that
[01:27] <edulix> CruNcher: but when I minimize it doesn't back to normal
[01:27] <edulix> it just stop sucking more
[01:27] <edulix> :P
[01:27] <CruNcher> and that it should be fixed long time if it wasn't a generic java problem
[01:27] <CruNcher> so i bet it is a java problem ;)
[01:28] <edulix> I don't know azureus internals, so who knows. I think it's risky to blame this or this other
[01:28] <dreumah> use amule
[01:28] <CruNcher> yeah that behaviour was one reason i changed to bitcomet on windows tough
[01:29] <edulix> CruNcher: in windows memory usage goes bakc to normal or it just stop sucking more memory ? there's a big difference you know ;)
[01:30] <CruNcher> in windows every app you close the guis memory gets freed
[01:30] <edulix> azureus is a very good bittorrent client apart from that, it's a pitty. I'll end this download and then stop using it (in fact this is the first time I download with azureus)
[01:30] <edulix> CruNcher: here the problem is that it's Xorg the one who sucks more memory, but not azureus
[01:31] <CruNcher> maybe the problem gets relayed from java to Xorg because X draws the windows in the end
[01:33] <edulix> it must be a very noticeable problem programatically talking, because it sucks soo much memory. I bet that someone with enough knoweldge could profile and trace the problem easily
[01:33] <edulix> "free the mallocs!"
[01:33] <CruNcher> thats why im sure it should have been fixed long time ago
[01:35] <edulix> #azureus seems dead. and yesterday happened the same
[01:35] <CruNcher> no doubt azureus is a good client but this gui sucks memory like hell problem is pain
[01:36] <CruNcher> and i really really doubt that the azureus programmer never saw this problem either on Linux or Windows so iam sure it is Java based and they can't fix it :P
[01:37] <CruNcher> same as for the Firefox redraw problem on Windows :p
[01:37] <CruNcher> still not fixed
[01:37] <CruNcher> but there a bug report is existing :P
[01:40] <CruNcher> http://azureus.sourceforge.net/faq.php#5
[01:40] <airox> Does kubuntu show usb flash sticks on the desktop when you plug them in 
[01:40] <airox> ?
[01:42] <edulix> CruNcher: let me see
[01:43] <edulix> CruNcher: the most lightweight bittorrent client I've found is artic (http://www.int64.org/arctic.html), but it seems it's just-for-windows hehe
[01:43] <edulix> people say it uses ~3mb  ofram and very little CPU
[01:44] <ro28> CruNcher: tried mldonkey?
[01:45] <edulix> java -showversion
[01:45] <edulix> java version "1.5.0_01"
[01:45] <edulix> so that's not the problem
[01:45] <Alfred11> how can i get access to my other mandriva and windows partitions ?
[01:45] <ro28> edulix: tried mldonkey? :-)
[01:46] <CruNcher> ro28 mldonkey supports bt ?
[01:46] <ro28> CruNcher: yes it does :-)
[01:46] <ro28> CruNcher: (as well as just about every other p2p protocol)
[01:53] <airox> When I upgrade to KDE 4.3.1 it complains about knetworkconf having /usr/share/icons/default.kde also
[01:53] <airox> Is this formeliar ?
[01:53] <airox> Cause I can't delete knetworkconf because it would delete kubuntu-desktop to :(
[01:54] <Tm_T> oh!
[01:54] <Tm_T> airox: add this to your sources.list: deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main
[01:54] <Tm_T> and then update&upgrade
[01:54] <airox> ah! :)
[02:13] <folken> hmm amarok freezes since the upgrade to 3.4.1.. anybody experience the same? 
[02:13] <Tm_T> eh?
[02:13] <Tm_T> what version of amaroK?
[02:15] <folken> amarok 1.2.3 Tm_T 
[02:15] <folken> works with xine-engine.. but arts engine crashes. 
[02:15] <folken> at least on streams. 
[02:16] <Tm_T> eh, don't use arts
[02:16] <Tm_T> folken: btw why you use so old version? :)
[02:17] <folken> Tm_T: hmm seems to come with kubuntu. 
[02:17] <Tm_T> yeah
[02:17] <Tm_T> update it ;)
[02:18] <folken> you mean compile it myself? 
[02:19] <Tm_T> yes, I suggest svn
[02:19] <folken> nah.. if i want that then i'll use gentoo. 
[02:19] <Tm_T> hmm, I think there was a 1.2.4 package 
[02:19] <folken> or slack. 
[02:19] <Tm_T> err
[02:19] <airox> Tm_T: All went fine, tnx :)
[02:22] <Tm_T> airox: uh, great :)
[02:22] <airox> But where would I alter the behavior of inserted usb flash sticks ?
[02:22] <airox> It wants to open nautilus ...
[02:23] <Tm_T> eh?
[02:23] <Alfred11> how can i get access to my other mandriva and windows partitions ?
[02:24] <airox> Alfred11: Mount them ?
[02:24] <Alfred11> yes but i get this
[02:24] <Alfred11> swapon: /dev/hdb5: Device or resource busy
[02:24] <airox> Already mounted ?
[02:24] <Alfred11> i do't know
[02:25] <Alfred11> are you Sevea ?
[02:25] <Alfred11> are you Seveas ?
[02:25] <airox> Check with just doing `mount`
[02:25] <airox> No, I'm not.
[02:26] <Alfred11> /dev/hdb3 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[02:26] <Alfred11> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[02:26] <Alfred11> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[02:26] <Alfred11> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[02:26] <Alfred11> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[02:26] <Alfred11> none on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=5M,mode=0755)
[02:26] <Alfred11> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[02:38] <airox> Which directory do I need to copy to the /root folder in order to get the same theme settings when I run programs as root ?
[02:38] <airox> ~/.kde ?
[02:48] <eckhart> hi
[02:49] <eckhart> i have problems with using a printer
[02:49] <ijuz__> it's a network printer and you can't find it?
[02:49] <eckhart> it's a local usb printer
[02:50] <ijuz__> aah *runns away*
[02:50] <eckhart> i tried to set it up in the printer module in kcontrol
[02:50] <eckhart> the module auto-detected it as usb://Canon/BJC-8200
[02:50] <eckhart> (right model)
[02:51] <eckhart> so i set it up, but it didn't work
[02:51] <eckhart> so i looked up the ipp report and found
[02:51] <eckhart> "Unable to open USB device "usb://Canon/BJC-8200": No such device"
[02:55] <ijuz__> probably you have to use usbfs or something, no idea, i only have parallel and ethernet printers
[02:59] <airox> What would be the equivalent of gksudo for KDE ?
[03:03] <NothingButYou> airox: "kdesu smth"
[03:05] <folken> airox: kdesu
[03:06] <NothingButYou> Thanks....
[03:09] <mmport80> hi all, i have a sounds card problem on kubuntu hoary: my chipset (SiS SI7012 C-Media CMI9761) is listed as working in the ubuntu documentation, but nothing is coming out of the damn speakers... any ideas of where to go? - heard that the newer versions of alsa may work
[03:09] <xxenon> mmport80 - i had to compile the latest alsa for my card to work.
[03:09] <NothingButYou> checkout kmix if the switches are set right
[03:10] <NothingButYou> I have 7012 too, works for me
[03:10] <mmport80> everything is unmuted in alsamixer etc
[03:10] <NothingButYou> see "kmix", the switches section..
[03:11] <NothingButYou> alsamixer does not show everything
[03:11] <mmport80> oh right
[03:11] <mmport80> didn't check that
[03:11] <mmport80> which switches are important?
[03:13] <NothingButYou> damn Lan..
[03:15] <NothingButYou> mmport80: set the Sound System of KDE to use ALSA and restart it and if it gives you error, tell me what's it. Otherwise it's working..
[03:15] <mmport80> ok will do
[03:16] <mmport80> NothingButYou: no errors...
[03:16] <NothingButYou> test sound?
[03:17] <mmport80> if i had errors i could figure something out....
[03:17] <NothingButYou> am.. you've got 2 Scards right?
[03:17] <NothingButYou> m..
[03:19] <NothingButYou> have a nice day al
[03:19] <NothingButYou> all
[03:22] <mmport80> sorry about that, some sort of crash....
[03:22] <mmport80> sounds still doesn't work
[03:28] <NothingButYou> you've got 2 Scards?
[03:28] <mmport80> any other ideas on troubleshooting alsa in kubuntu
[03:28] <mmport80> ?
[03:28] <mmport80> no
[03:28] <mmport80> only onboard
[03:28] <NothingButYou> m.. right..
[03:29] <mmport80> that's the thing, everything looks like it's working - apart from the actual sounds output
[03:29] <NothingButYou> well.. there's no reason for it not to work except if the mixers is set wrong
[03:29] <NothingButYou> are u sure everything is connected right ? :) sorry for the dumb question :}
[03:29] <mmport80> yeh...  that's the thing that's worrying me:) no errors
[03:30] <mmport80> yeh
[03:30] <xxenon> mmport80 - cat /proc/asound/cards
[03:30] <xxenon> ?
[03:30] <mmport80> i plugged the cable thingy into a minisdisc...
[03:30] <mmport80> 0 [SI7012         ] : ICH - SiS SI7012 <newline> SiS SI7012 with CMI9761 at 0xdc00, irq 18
[03:31] <xxenon> seems right...I dunno then...
[03:32] <KaiL> yesterday somebody said, the alsa driver for that sis thing is broken
[03:32] <NothingButYou> I've got 7012 on ECS K7S5A and it'was working..
[03:33] <mmport80> it just worked!!
[03:33] <mmport80> while messing around with kmix switches...
[03:33] <mmport80> omg...
[03:33] <NothingButYou> :}}}
[03:33] <mmport80> HEHEHE
[03:33] <NothingButYou> told ya
[03:33] <mmport80> thanks guys
[03:33] <mmport80> i'll just check which switch that was...
[03:35] <mmport80> i reckon i switch off the oec958 capture monitor or some combination of switch switching did it...
[03:35] <mmport80> weird how that happens on the default install, maybe something to look at in future
[03:36] <NothingButYou> :)I've always wondered what is that IECblabla switch for...
[03:36] <NothingButYou> in combination with another it just boosts up the sound... 
[03:36] <jjesse> is there going to be a way to order a kubuntu cd from shipit?
[03:37] <mmport80>  NothingButYou : yeh must be
[03:38] <mmport80>  NothingButYou: i can't adjust the volume thru kubuntu, but i can live with it
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[03:38] <abisen> is there a setting in kubuntu default installation that limits the spped of the network transfer atleast in case of sftp ?
[03:39] <NothingButYou> you mean a kind of shaper?
[03:40] <abisen> NothingButYou: yeah something like that since the max speed at which i can download my files from a local machine is 1.1 MB/s and if i open multiple connections all of them get 1.1 MB/s simultaneousl
[03:41] <NothingButYou> well in the default installation I think not.. I haven't heard of at least
[03:42] <NothingButYou> maybe get a tool to shape the traffic :) If anybody knows...
[04:13] <specia1k82> Sorry if this has been asked already, but anyone else having trouble getting firefox?
[04:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes people have, but i don't remember the problems or fix
[04:16] <specia1k82> hmm.
[04:16] <specia1k82> well that is a mess.
[04:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats the error your getting
[04:16] <NothingButYou> what's the problem?
[04:17] <specia1k82> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libg.......
[04:17] <specia1k82> it goes on a bit but I don't want to flood.
[04:17] <NothingButYou> Topic : Use archive.ubuntu.com if us.archive.ubuntu.com gives md5sum errors
[04:18] <NothingButYou> change the repository :)
[04:18] <specia1k82> I will give that a go.
[04:18] <specia1k82> thanks
[04:18] <MoreFX> Hi! Is anyone using the fglrx driver for xorg with an ati IGP 320?
[04:18] <MoreFX> I Try to run the igp 320 in dual screen mode to no avail.
[04:19] <NothingButYou> no idea
[04:19] <MoreFX> I can'r load the module: I Try to run the igp 320 in dual screen mode to no avail.
[04:19] <specia1k82> =D
[04:20] <specia1k82> brilliant.
[04:20] <specia1k82> that did the trick...
[04:20] <NothingButYou> mm thanks for the cookie :p
[04:20] <NothingButYou> have fun
[04:21] <MoreFX> Sorry (wrong clipboard): I mean:I can't load the module:  Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko): No such device
[04:22] <NothingButYou> wow.. that's too serious for my knowledge :)
[04:25] <KaiL> is that IGP supported by fglrx?
[04:26] <MoreFX> as far as i know: yes 
[04:26] <dreumah> i am on icewm, what can i do here?
[04:26] <KaiL> I can only find some Radeon 9200 IGP and Radeon 9100 IGP
[04:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> convert :D
[04:27] <KaiL> the second 2D only
[04:27] <NothingButYou> apt-get install kde
[04:27] <NothingButYou> :}
[04:27] <dreumah> isnt there anything cool i can do from icewm
[04:27] <KaiL> lol
[04:28] <MoreFX> KaiL: 2d is ok for me
[04:28] <KaiL> dreumah: see your unused memory and feel like a king
[04:28] <MoreFX> I only need the second screen
[04:28] <NothingButYou> HAHAHAH
[04:28] <dreumah> cool
[04:28] <MoreFX> the standart ati driver for xorg crashes 
[04:28] <KaiL> MoreFX: then why do you play with fglrx at all? doesn't the normal driver support the second head?
[04:28] <KaiL> oops?
[04:28] <dreumah> i ll go back to kde after i tanked my ego
[04:29] <MoreFX> KaiL: nothing else to to ;-) 
[04:29] <KaiL> lol
[04:29] <MoreFX> i am using the vesa driver right now. 
[04:30] <KaiL> MoreFX: fglrx isn't known to be good
[04:30] <MoreFX> anything better would be nice
[04:30] <MoreFX> :-)
[04:30] <KaiL> but 2ati" shouldn't crash
[04:30] <KaiL> tried "radeon"?
[04:30] <MoreFX> no, not yet. 
[04:30] <MoreFX> I'll give it a try
[04:32] <MoreFX> KaiL: do you know if there is an ubuntu pack for xorg (radeon)
[04:32] <KaiL> MoreFX: comes with the normal packages
[04:33] <KaiL> if you have vesa and ati,you have that too ;)
[04:34] <MoreFX> I see (I am new to Linux desktop. Onliy used it on servers so far ...)
[04:36] <MoreFX> KaiL: btw: "ati" DID crash. Ubuntu uses this driver as default for instalation. Took me a while to get ubuntu running cause it always crashed bevor th 1st login :-(
[04:36] <KaiL> oops?
[04:37] <KaiL> the bootmenu has an entry for "recovery mode" or so, that starts without X
[04:37] <KaiL> could you file a bug for this crash?  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[04:38] <MoreFX> I installed the normal way, halfway through instalation (bevor start of X) opened 2nd console and changed xorg.conf manually.
[04:38] <MoreFX> ok, I  will
[04:38] <KaiL> did you try other distributions before? do they crash too?
[04:39] <MoreFX> I had Suse 9.2 running just fine
[04:39] <MoreFX> knoppix 3.6 is ok, too
[05:09] <dreumah> i dont seem to have any multiverse repos
[05:09] <dreumah> why is that?
[05:09] <insanekane> maybe u havent added it ?
[05:10] <dreumah> i did the kubuntu guide thing to add repos
[05:10] <insanekane> and ?
[05:11] <insanekane> did u "sudo apt-get update"
[05:11] <dreumah> yeah
[05:11] <dreumah> it tell me to do it again
[05:11] <insanekane> hmm ..
[05:11] <insanekane> apt-get -f install ?
[05:11] <dreumah> tons failed
[05:11] <insanekane> u mean 404 ?
[05:11] <dreumah> berlio, backports
[05:12] <dreumah> cyber space
[05:12] <insanekane> oh right ... what about multiverse ?
[05:12] <dreumah> well i am using package manager
[05:13] <dreumah> ftp://ftp.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.blackdown.org/java-linux/dists/sarge/Release.gpg
[05:13] <dreumah> http://cyberspace.ucla.edu/marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found
[05:13] <insanekane> err
[05:13] <insanekane> multiverse != other repos
[05:13] <dreumah> this the error
[05:14] <insanekane> yes .. as i said. multiverse is not the same as other repos
[05:15] <dreumah> ok so what do i do?
[05:15] <insanekane> dreumah: the problem why cyberspace doesnt work, is because the file actually doesnt exist
[05:16] <insanekane> another thing ..
[05:16] <insanekane> the cyberspace repos has only amd64 packages
[05:16] <dreumah> ahhh
[05:17] <insanekane> dreumah: u know ... you can actually browse that website within a webbrowser ... why dont u try that ?
[05:18] <dreumah> huh?
[05:18] <insanekane> dreumah: use a web browser ... and browse to the location http://cyberspace.ucla.edu/marillat/ .. and u will see what i mean
[08:35] <wizzard> hi ppl, is there some xchat client for KDE?
[08:36] <insanekane> wizzard: Konversation
[08:36] <`TUX``> kvirc konversation 
[08:36] <wizzard> thx much :p
[08:36] <insanekane> wizzard: it already comes with Kubuntu
[08:36] <`TUX``> or irc plugin for kopete
[08:49] <airox> hi
[08:49] <airox> ubuntu should make a package of kmobiletools ;)
[08:49] <airox> Great tool! Really great!
[08:50] <airox> Where would I send in such ideas ?
[08:51] <nmorse> To Malone
[08:51] <nmorse> Under Bugtracker, features
[08:52] <airox> Hmm ...
[08:52] <airox> I've found the page :)
[08:53] <nmorse> Or you could see about the Kubuntu Wiki
[08:53] <nmorse> They might have a feature request there
[08:53] <airox> Yeah, just saw it.
[08:53] <airox> Well there isn't one yet ! :D
[08:53] <airox> Need to find out howto edit those wiki's ...
[08:54] <airox> Where could I do this ?
[08:55] <nmorse> I don't even know where the Kubuntu wiki is
[08:55] <airox> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuSuggestedPackages
[08:56] <airox> There it is. But I need an edit link or something :)
[08:56] <airox> Maybe I need to register or something ?? ;)
[08:57] <nmorse> maybe
[08:57] <nmorse> I wonder what the wiki transition in the topic's about though
[08:57] <nmorse> I'd hate to mess with the wiki only to find out they've gone and replaced it
[08:58] <monchy> no one you can contact to find out?
[08:58] <airox> :)
[08:58] <airox> "You have been registered."
[08:59] <nmorse> BBIAB
[08:59] <airox> What ?
[08:59] <osh> Is it just me or are there hardly any updates to kubuntu? In gentoo or debian there was an update of a program about once a week or so it seemed. I don't think I've updated a single program since installing kubuntu.
[09:00] <buz> there are only security updates for kubuntu
[09:00] <buz> aside of that it's mostly frozen
[09:00] <airox> To bad.
[09:00] <osh> buz: So no updates to programs if there's a new release?
[09:00] <airox> I really like to see tools like kmobiletools available for (k)ubuntu
[09:00] <buz> well for kde 3.4.1 you can add the repository in the title of the channel
[09:02] <osh> buz: That hardly qualifys as an update in my world since I had to go to a new repo to find it. That's more like an "extra". A fringe benefit. :-)
[09:02] <dreumah> how do you add the kde 3.4.1 repo?
[09:03] <dreumah> what is it?
[09:03] <osh> buz: It's a good thing, but I think an update should be added to the real repos...
[09:03] <osh> dreumah: type /topic
[09:03] <buz> it's not an official update
[09:03] <osh> dreumah: then add the "deb http...." thingy to /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:04] <dreumah> what is the deb http thing?
[09:04] <osh> dreumah: Read the lines you get when you type /topic and you'll understand.
[09:08] <dreumah> ok i did that and then what do i do?
[09:13] <osh> dreumah: then you just do a "sudo apt-get update" and a "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and it should get the new KDE for you.
[09:14] <airox> Is there some bluetooth managing utility ?
[09:14] <airox> GUI frontend for hcitool and rfcomm ?
[09:21] <airox> nm, already found it (kde bluetooth framework)
[09:22] <allee> Hi
[09:23] <afrosheen> hello
[09:23] <nmorse> hi
[09:23] <allee> I've duplicated hoary to another partion to test an breezy update.   What's necessary to run grub-install in a chroot enviroment?
[09:23] <allee> partition that is
[09:24] <afrosheen> dunno, personally I freakin hate grub :/
[09:24] <afrosheen> I figured out how to do something like that once after pulling some hairs out and reading the man page though
[09:25] <allee> afrosheen: at least this was easier with lilo  (-C) ;)
[09:25] <allee> afrosheen: grub-install man an info page do not help here :(
[09:25] <nmorse> lilo is way better if you ask me
[09:25] <afrosheen> allee, that's why I can't stand grub, it's too hard..you can't even remove it like you can with lilo
[09:27] <allee> afrosheen, nmorse: yeah, over the years one can get used to lilo
[09:28] <allee> I guess lilo would have some problems too with udev and missing dev nodes in chroot 
[09:30] <afrosheen> what's the stunt to pass kernel options right before you reboot 
[09:30] <allee> afrosheen: what was 'something' like that.  Maybe this gets me going with grub in my case too
[09:31] <allee> afrosheen: you mean grub-reboot?
[09:31] <afrosheen> allee, is that it? I think lilo offers something similar
[09:32] <allee> afrosheen: never tried/used/need with lilo yet
[09:33] <afrosheen> oh ok
[09:37] <Dazhbug> hi
[09:37] <Dazhbug> khotkeys still broken?
[09:59] <StR> hi all!
[10:11] <allee> afrosheen: after rm /dev ; mv /.dev /dev;  chroot; grub-install was happy,   out of 2 configured ways to boot into breezy partition at least one work ;)
[10:13] <afrosheen> good job buddy :)
[10:15] <allee> afrosheen: well, the one that does not work is the one I would prefer ;)
[10:16] <afrosheen> isn't it always the way
[10:19] <liz4rd> whats the best IRCD?
[10:19] <liz4rd> well i guess what one would work on slower machines as well
[10:22] <Dazhbug> how do I tell konversation to use something else than utf-8? :P
[10:23] <Riddell> liz4rd: all ircd's are horrible
[10:23] <liz4rd> how come?
[10:24] <red22> hi, anyone have problems with 5.04 install 386 cd? i check md5, dl'd twice and burned 3 times. i get segfaults and unresolved package dependancies..
[10:24] <allee> Dazhbug: settings -> identies -> advanced  tab    # please rename identity to 'stupid default' ;)
[10:25] <allee> Dazhbug: I mean rename the one without UTF-8 to stupid default
[10:25] <Dazhbug> ah
[10:25] <Dazhbug> thanks
[10:26] <red22> the errors happen during "installing base ubuntu files" about 60% of the way through the installation of the base packages
[10:28] <liz4rd> that sucks man
[10:29] <cfaun> the live cds don't have ubuntu-calandar on, do they?
[10:30] <Dazhbug> red22: did you check the md5sum and burn with verify?
[10:31] <Dazhbug> oops
[10:31] <Dazhbug> sorry
[10:34] <CruNcher> possible to upgrade kubuntu hoary to breezer ?
[10:35] <Tm_T> I don't recommend
[10:36] <CruNcher> i tried to modify etc.sources.list but it still searches on the hoary kubuntu ones is their another list file ?
[10:36] <Tm_T> nope
[10:36] <CruNcher> Tm_T warning taken into account ;)
[10:36] <CruNcher> strange
[10:36] <Tm_T>  /etc/apt/sources.list is the only place
[10:37] <CruNcher> jep modified it
[10:37] <Tm_T> but you have to apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:37] <CruNcher> instead of hoary put breezy in
[10:38] <CruNcher> jep but when i do apt-get update it shows me also the hoary repository
[10:38] <Tm_T> hmm
[10:38] <allee> CruNcher: what you describe works here.   Do you have a preferences file?  or apt.conf
[10:39] <allee> CruNcher: did you save the file to disk in the editor?
[10:39] <CruNcher> Hole:2 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Realease.gpg
[10:39] <CruNcher> Hole:3 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Realease.gpg
[10:40] <CruNcher> Hole:4 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com breezy Realease.gpg
[10:40] <CruNcher> alle yes
[10:42] <CruNcher> ups
[10:42] <CruNcher> ok i see what i done wrong i missed the ones @ the top *cough*
[10:46] <Tm_T> topic from #ubuntu: PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY
[10:47] <airox> hehe
[10:47] <Tm_T> did I said something?
[10:48] <airox> No, you didn't.
[10:48] <airox> ;)
[10:48] <Tm_T> =)
[10:51] <bobbyd> hi
[10:52] <afrosheen> breezy like a dutch oven breeze
[10:52] <bobbyd> if I put a file in /etc called modules.conf and have a line "bttv card=78" should bttv get loaded with that option on startup?
[10:52] <gdh> afrosheen: tempting but easy to get burnt?
[10:52] <afrosheen> gdh, lol, no, google for 'dutch oven'
[10:53] <gdh> lots of smoke? :)
[10:54] <afrosheen> not exactly
[10:55] <gdh> then the comment was lost on me - ah well =)
[10:55] <afrosheen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_oven
[11:10] <nate> Can anybody help me with this?? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41533 
[11:13] <gdh> nate: just to confirm - you /have/ logged out and in again after twiddling with any of the locale / environment stuff?
[11:15] <mrmanic> nate: have you checked your wine config?
[11:15] <red22> anyone have an idea why 5.04 gives me package dependency errors when installing from cd? or why i get segfaults? mandrake 10 installed fine.  just wanted to try kubuntu.
[11:15] <mrmanic> er, nm
[11:16] <allee> red22: will, wild guess: did you try a second hardware?  Maybe you hardware has problems and not the CD?
[11:16] <red22> if i'm getting errors with install with the kubuntu iso, do you think that it would be worth it to try the regular ubuntu download? or will i probably get the same errors?
[11:17] <gdh> red22: Did you check the md5sum of the downloaded ISO ?
[11:17] <red22> allee: i've installed fedora and mandrake on this same machine in the last few days to test that.  neither had a problem.
[11:17] <allee> red22: I doubt that there is a difference in this early stage between k/utubntu
[11:17] <red22> yup checked md5.  matches perfectly.
[11:17] <_uli> hi.... anyone can help me with a ati problem?
[11:17] <allee> red22: same partition?
[11:18] <red22> yeah, i format/repartition over the previous linux installs
[11:18] <afrosheen> ATI = ancient terror inside
[11:18] <mrmanic> _uli: you should probably just ask the question
[11:18] <_uli> lol
[11:19] <mrmanic> nate: http://winehq.com/hypermail/wine-users/2001/04/0214.html
[11:19] <mrmanic> nate: not sure if that helps
[11:19] <_uli> oke, i have an kubuntu installation (2.6.10-5) and THEN i tried the NEW ati-installer (because i have a ati 9700) ..installation complete. oke. BUT, then "glxinfo" does not work anymore
[11:20] <red22> allee: i'm using ext3 format for the kubuntu partition, in case it matters
[11:20] <_uli> because: glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:20] <allee> red22: sorry no idea.  I've didn't have a problem with the Kubuntu CD
[11:20] <allee> red22: here ext3 too
[11:20] <red22> :(
[11:20] <red22> thanks for trying though
[11:20] <_uli> anyone got an idea, what might be wrong? :-(
[11:21] <mrmanic> _uli: you're better off using the fglrx packages for kubuntu.
[11:21] <afrosheen> _uli, I think he's right, however, do a 'locate libGL' real quick first
[11:21] <_uli> but the kubuntu packages are very slow, (although they worked, i tried out in the last )
[11:21] <_uli> okey, i made a locate, i got a list of some
[11:21] <red22> i'll try debian instead, see if it installs.  couldn't you just install debian and then download the "kubuntu-desktop" package? would that work?
[11:22] <Tm_T> eh
[11:22] <_uli> and then?
[11:22] <mrmanic> red22: I wouldn't recommend that.
[11:23] <mrmanic> _uli: figure out where it's expecting libGL.so.1 and make sure that you have a link to the correct libGL.so.1 in that location, I think.
[11:23] <_uli> hmmm
[11:23] <mrmanic> red22: what kind of errors?
[11:23] <_uli> how can i figure out, *where* it's expecting libGl? (me = noob)
[11:24] <red22> i get segfaults and package dependency errors early on during "installing base ubuntu files"
[11:24] <mrmanic> _uli: I don't use fglrx anymore, so I can't really help you.
[11:24] <mrmanic> _uli: that's bad.  are you sure it's not faulty hardware?
[11:24] <mrmanic> er
[11:24] <mrmanic> misfire
[11:24] <mrmanic> red22: that's bad.  are you sure it's not faulty hardware?
[11:25] <red22> yup, mandrake and fedora installed fine.
[11:25] <gdh> hardly a surefire test :/
[11:25] <gdh> the standard response is 'run memtest86' overnight
[11:26] <gdh> however, there's also stuff like 'cpuburn' and 'stress' to give your whole I/O and CPU systems a thorough ragging
[11:26] <red22> i don't know, after both others installed without a hitch and about 10 (unsuccessful) tries of kubuntu, i'm pretty confident it isn't hardware.
[11:27] <red22> i downloaded twice and checked md5 sums and burned with different programs to make sure, and all had the same result on my machine.
[11:27] <red22> just very odd.
[11:27] <mrmanic> agreed
[11:28] <red22> i mean it's the SAME iso everyone is downloading how could i be having package dep problems?  it complains about a python package and some others.
[11:28] <ijuz__> you could take a ubuntu cd and try with it
[11:29] <afrosheen> red22, is it connected to the net when you install it?
[11:29] <red22> it is, but i'm only installing from cd.
[11:30] <red22> afro: you getting at trying to resolve those package deps from some online repository?
[11:36] <red22> afrosheen, is there something to be tried with a net connection?
[11:36] <afrosheen> red22, I'm just wondering if it doesn't do some apt-get update magic so you  install the latest stuff at the beginning..it's been a week since my last install, I forgot :*
[11:40] <red22> afrosheen, ah, so maybe removing the connection while installing could help?
[11:41] <afrosheen> possibly, who knows..does it go to the net during install?
[11:41] <red22> i'll try that. it's worth avoiding yet another 600 mb download
[11:42] <red22> i don't know, don't think so, but before it installs the packages, it does ask you to configure you ip and whatnot
[11:42] <red22> *your*
[11:42] <red22> it is very possible... most other distros ask you to setup your network AFTER everything else is installed
[11:44] <afrosheen> red22, well, there ya go :)
[11:44] <afrosheen> red22, give it a bad IP and watch it crunch along
[11:45] <red22> afrosheen, i will try it :)  i will be backt to tell you all about what a great guy you are after the install hehe. ty.
[11:46] <afrosheen> good luck