[12:41] <tseng> is there an example of a main promotion document already done?
[12:41] <tseng> i dont see the mono one on the wiki in the obvious place
[12:49] <mxpxpod> thom: ping
[12:50] <thom> mxpxpod: you always manage to ping when i'm either asleep or going to bed :-)
[12:50] <mxpxpod> thom: hah
[12:50] <mxpxpod> thom: just wondering how gnome-power is coming along on breezy
[12:50] <mxpxpod> thom: because the latest release of pbbuttonsd sucks hard
[12:50] <thom> mxpxpod: -> ogra
[12:50] <mxpxpod> thom: is he taking care of pm now?
[12:51] <tseng> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MainInclusionReportGtkSharp
[12:51] <tseng> is this acceptable?
[12:51] <thom> he is doing the ui based stuffs, yes
[12:51] <mxpxpod> thom: oh, I'm talking about backend stuff
[12:51] <thom> gnome-power == ui
[12:51] <thom> fundamentally
[12:52] <mxpxpod> thom: right, I mis-spoke... I meant pmi
[12:52] <thom> i'm not involved in that at all
[12:52] <mxpxpod> stink
[12:52] <thom> mxpxpod: you want to speak to ogra. really
[12:52] <mxpxpod> and he's not around... ok
[12:53] <mxpxpod> I'll have to email him or catch him on irc
[01:31] <lamont__> thom: you around?
[01:55] <jdub> "Recently former founder of Gentoo Linux, Daniel Robbins, has managed to procure employment with Microsoft. Robbins describes his position as "helping Microsoft to understand Open Source and community-based projects."
[01:55] <jdub> elite!
[01:56] <wm_eddie_> cool
[01:57] <wm_eddie_> jdub, I have a question with the bounties on the Ubuntu wiki.
[01:57] <tritium> jdub, he's in #ubuntu right now
[01:57] <wm_eddie_> when it says People: MichaelVogtLead, JeffWaughSecond what's that mean?
[01:59] <zul> jdub: bah...traitor :)
[01:59] <HrdwrBoB> jdub: sounds good, but he's still the founder, he's not the 'former founder' :)
[02:03] <LinuxJones> jdub, he's in #ubuntu right now chatting
[02:05] <mdz> wm_eddie_: it's a funny way of making it easy to search for the people responsible for a spec
[02:05] <jdub> wm_eddie_: those are the people who wrote the spec
[02:05] <wm_eddie_> oh ok.
[02:05] <wm_eddie_> I've been messing with the FindingPackages bounty.
[02:06] <lifeless> anyone got a list of the source packages in main? or a trivial way to make one ?
[02:06] <jdub> tritium: weird
[02:06] <wm_eddie_> I'm going to apply for it.
[02:10] <zul> lovely..#ubuntu has changed into #gentoo-love
[02:10] <wm_eddie_> he
[02:10] <wm_eddie_> h
[02:11] <lamont__> lifeless: zcat Sources.gz | awk '/Package:/ {print $2}'
[02:12] <lamont__> lifeless: alternatively, the germinate output includes all of them...
[02:12] <lifeless> thanks
[02:17] <lamont__> lifeless: sorry I didn't have a list handy. :-(
[02:30] <Burgundavia> gnome upstream people, any thoughts on this? --> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41530
[02:32] <KaiL> .o0(and I thought, only Mozilla patches get old before somebody finds them)
[03:10] <lamont> In file included from t_main.c:18:
[03:10] <lamont> /usr/include/tcl8.4/tk.h:96:23: error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
[03:11] <lamont> hrm... tk8.4, or puredata... wonder who's to blame
[03:12] <tseng> lamont: that happens to several packages, daniels swears its NOTOURBUG
[03:13] <lamont> tseng: no.  it's NOTANXBUG
[03:13] <tseng> hah.
[03:13] <lamont> er, NOT_AN_X_BUG, not NO_TANX_BUG :-)
[03:13] <lamont> and to be fair, the apps that are failing are in violation of a 10-year-old spec
[03:14] <tseng> ill have to get a proper fix from him
[03:14] <tseng> in beagle we added the gross CFLAGS="-I/blah" hack
[03:14] <tseng> in configure.in
[03:16] <lamont> well, in this case, it's probably tk8.4 not including -I/usr/X11R6/include in the flags to pkgconfig, or possibly puredata not asking for the list
[03:17] <tseng> gross :(
[03:23] <lamont> how dare thom be asleep now. :-(
[03:30] <lifeless> oh wow 
[03:30] <lifeless> tk comes up again ;)
[03:30] <lifeless> tseng: so did we get that 8.3 config.sh fix backported ?
[03:31] <tseng> lifeless: i had nothing to do with anything tk besides giving daniels a hard time
[03:31] <lifeless> uhm, must have been infinity I was talking with a week or so back, about the broken gnu-smalltalk build
[03:32] <lifeless> because /usr/lib/tk8.3/tkConfig.sh exported a CFLAGS value of "# no special flags needed"
[03:32] <lifeless> which is so NOT WHAT YOU GIVE gcc.
[03:40] <Lathiat> lifeless: haha
[03:44] <infinity> lifeless : You just can't let it go, can you? :)
[03:50] <daniels> mdz: not yet, but I could make it so
[04:05] <mdz> I wonder how it went missing
[04:14] <calc> do the ati xpress 200m based laptops work with xorg?
[04:14] <calc> or ati's binary driver?
[04:14] <calc> i'm helping my supervisor find a replacement laptop for his old p3 system
[04:15] <lifeless> infinity: no, I can't, I want that fixed in hoary ;)
[04:15] <lifeless> infinity: mmmm, reminds me, did the fix bubble through to sarge in time ?
[04:15] <calc> bestbuy seems to have a pretty good one for $900 athlon64 3200, 80gb, 512mb, dvd-rw, 54g, etc
[04:16] <eruin> wth
[04:16] <eruin> wonder if they ship internationally
[04:16] <Lathiat> wtf thats a nice price
[04:16] <eruin> $900 is nothing
[04:16] <Lathiat> theyre $2k aud here
[04:17] <eruin> I hopethe dollar stays low until I'm buying my new lappy ;)
[04:17] <eruin> x200 doesn't quite justify the a64 though
[04:20] <wm_eddie_> Man, that feature freeze date is not cool...
[04:21] <calc> yea ati 200 integrated is probably slow
[04:23] <calc> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7125327&type=product&id=1109937811956 <- url 
[04:24] <eruin> the apples on that site are dead cheap :O
[04:25] <eruin> " Built-in 54g high-speed wireless LAN with 125HSM/ SpeedBooster support (802.11b/g); 10/100Base-T Ethernet (RJ-45 connector)"
[04:25] <eruin> lots of text and no info :>
[04:26] <eruin> I wonder if they would ship without the microsoft suite
[04:27] <dmb> hey, is it me, or are the faqs broken?
[04:28] <calc> apples cheap? where?
[04:29] <infinity> lifeless : Didn't I make that fix like 3 days before Sarge released?  (in other words, no the fix isn't in sarge)
[04:29] <daniels> calc: the ibooks are actually very, very competitive with similarly-specced x86 laptops (arguably slightly cheaper)
[04:30] <Lathiat> esp at edu prices
[04:30] <HrdwrBoB> in terms of value for money, they are cheaper
[04:30] <lifeless> infinity: yeah, somethink like that ;|
[04:31] <lifeless> the ibooks price is sweet
[04:31] <daniels> right.  a slow, shoddily-constructed dell, or a slowish, reasonably-well-constructed, ibook.
[04:31] <Lathiat> the ibooks have had their issues
[04:31] <lifeless> daniels: bah. samsung q30, makes them all envious
[04:31] <Lathiat> back in the g3 era theyhad countless issues with dying logic boards
[04:31] <daniels> Lathiat: true
[04:31] <daniels> lifeless: not in terms of price
[04:32] <calc> daniels: weight wise i suppose that is true
[04:32] <Lathiat> i know at least 5-10 ibook owners, and everyoneof them except 1 has had at least 1 ifnot 5 logic board replacements,includinga couple g4s
[04:32] <lifeless> daniels: true. it jumped 400 after I bought it ;)
[04:32] <calc> daniels: though on the pc side you can trade weight for much faster systems
[04:32] <lifeless> daniels: btw, the q30 is /not slow/
[04:33] <lifeless> its faster than desktops in many ways, just don't mention the video card
[04:36] <maswan> lifeless: what kind of battery time do you get in the q30?
[04:37] <lifeless> 2 hours on the 3-cell, 4 on the 6-cell
[04:37] <lifeless> 6 total, doing pretty much anything. haven't seen any difference doing lp development / baz/ email etc
[04:38] <lifeless> maswan: (note that I have a dell X1, which is a q30 + bluetooth)
[04:39] <Lathiat> i get 5.5h out of my dell
[04:39] <Lathiat> if i push it
[04:39] <Lathiat> 3-4 average
[04:39] <Lathiat> 15.4" p-m 2ghz with an nvidia
[04:40] <lifeless> Lathiat: how many K is your battery ?
[04:40] <Lathiat> 5.5 is with wireless too
[04:40] <Lathiat> lifeless: ~75
[04:40] <Lathiat> design capacity:         71590 mWh
[04:40] <lifeless> design capacity:         4800 mAh
[04:40] <lifeless> thats the 6-cell
[04:41] <Lathiat> whats your voltage?
[04:41] <Lathiat> mine wouldbe ~6500mAh
[04:41] <lifeless> design voltage:          11100 mV
[04:41] <Lathiat> minesan 8 celli think
[04:41] <Lathiat> yeh same voltageasmine
[04:42] <Lathiat> and 4800*(8/6)is6400
[04:42] <lifeless> I don't have a mWh rating
[04:42] <Lathiat> so tahts about right
[04:42] <Lathiat> lifeless: ~54000
[04:58] <wm_eddie_> man, I'm really confused about the Spec...
[05:25] <daniels> lamont: thom :)
[05:25] <lamont> daniels: yeah, I know that.
[05:25] <lamont> but I don't want to wait 6 hours.
[05:26] <bob2> you should call him!
[05:27] <mdz> daniels: how soon can you land the xserver-xorg.config changes for LTSP/casper?
[05:27] <lamont> so, I know that much works... now I just gotta make it like the CA cert
[05:27] <daniels> mdz: with the next upload, which is either today or tomorrow; whenever it is that I unbreak locales in libX11
[05:28] <mdz> ok
[05:28] <daniels> mdz: but if it's urgent, I can just drop it now and screw everyone who C isn't an appropriate locale for :)
[05:28] <mdz> no, I can keep busy with UbuntuExpress for a few more days
[05:28] <daniels> swoit
[05:31] <lamont> and no, I don't want to explain what it was
[05:31] <daniels> lamont: but you'll have to, now that you've said that
[05:32] <lamont> well, it said it wanted the ca_cert... that needs to be ROOT and sub-CA cert, it turns out... :-)
[05:34] <daniels> heh
[05:37] <daniels> oh my christ, this grep bug really *is* bad
[05:37] <daniels> (he says, grepping over 181 files with an 887-line exclude pattern)
[05:43] <lamont> daniels: what'd you do now???
[05:44] <daniels> lamont: there's a bug in grep with UTF-8 locales where it takes an exhorbitant amount of time to grep files
[05:46] <lamont> ouch
[05:46] <daniels> lamont: there's a bug in grep with UTF-8 locales where it takes an exhorbitant amount of time to grep files
[05:46] <daniels> oops, wrong window for up-enter
[05:47] <Amaranth> daniels: fedora has a fix for this
[05:47] <daniels> Amaranth: so do I, it's called LC_ALL=C
[05:47] <Amaranth> daniels: It's been sitting in the bugzilla or whatever for grep since march, iirc.
[05:47] <Amaranth> daniels: some people grep non-english things
[05:48] <daniels> yeah, well none of the filenames installed by xorg are !ASCII, so I'm sweet
[06:19] <fabbione> morning
[06:28] <jdub> daniels: do we have any problems with intel 915GM Express video chipsets?
[06:28] <daniels> jdub: laptop, no.  desktop, some (which can be fixed by XORG_SYNC_RANGES=yes sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg, and will be fixed in a hoary update and breezy update)
[06:29] <jdub> ok, ta
[06:38] <Amaranth> wtf
[06:38] <Amaranth> qt4 can have images in text boxes?
[06:38] <daniels> Amaranth: yeah, sounds about right
[06:38] <Amaranth> sounds like crack :)
[06:39] <daniels> Amaranth: probably using the QRichText equivalent (hopefully they rewrote its layout engine though)
[06:39] <Amaranth> a text widget that does images and tables, whee
[06:39] <daniels> rich text widget
[06:39] <Amaranth> i certainly hope it isn't the regular text widget
[06:40] <daniels> probably has a mode for selecting rich or plaintext
[06:41] <daniels> yep, looks like it
[06:41] <daniels> http://doc.trolltech.com/4.0/qtextedit.html
[06:41] <bob2> maybe they can use it to replace khtml
[06:41] <Amaranth> ha
[06:41] <Amaranth> khtml is actually pretty cool
[06:42] <daniels> it's the best lightweight free renderer
[07:11] <pitti> Good Morning
[07:32] <Keybuk> what's so good about it? :)
[07:35] <pitti> Keybuk: it's still early, all of my flat mates and my gf are still sleeping, and finally the summer seems to have arrived :-)
[07:37] <Keybuk> heh
[07:39] <pitti> Keybuk: btw, yay for the new dpkg features
[07:39] <Keybuk> which ones did you like?
[07:40] <pitti> Keybuk: in particular the direct support for separate patches
[07:41] <bob2> I liked that you fixed my bug
[07:41] <Keybuk> still need to get dpkg-source -b (or equivalent) support into each
[07:41] <pitti> Keybuk: I came across so many different (and so many broken) patch systems that I really hope that this will unify packaging
[07:42] <daniels> i liked the ones that broke everyone's bulids
[07:42] <pitti> hehe
[07:42] <pitti> daniels: he warned us :-)
[07:46] <infinity> Well, so much for waffling.  I just ordered my new T43.
[07:46] <infinity> I can actually hear my bank account screaming from here.
[07:46] <daniels> infinity: it's screaming for an X40
[07:46] <infinity> Pff.
[07:46] <infinity> You and your crazy cult.
[07:46] <daniels> infinity: one of us ... one of us ... one of us ...
[07:47] <infinity> If they're putting Lenovo logos on these instead of IBM logos, I'm going to be miffed.
[07:48] <bob2> hm
[07:48] <bob2> that would be significantly less leet
[07:50] <daniels> ah, Grand Old Party
[08:07] <robitaille> anyone knows the story about the us ubuntu mirror problems?  I see at least 7 bug reports open in the bugzilla about md5sum mismatch due to that mirror. Obviously it's affecting quite a few users.
[08:10] <Keybuk> infinity: they've changed the Thinkpad TV adverts here now
[08:10] <Keybuk> they seem to be just advertising "Thinkpad" as a branch (with a tiny "Product of Lenovo" comment)
[08:10] <Keybuk> so I guess they'll replace the IBM logo with a Thinkpad loogo
[08:11] <bob2> robitaille: the mirror's screwed
[08:12] <bob2> the admins have been notified
[08:12] <bob2> etc
[08:13] <Keybuk> uh s/branch/brand/, heh
[08:47] <daniels> Keybuk: yeah, we're getting the THINKPAD (product of lenovo) thing too
[08:56] <Nafallo> yay!
[08:57] <Nafallo> morning all btw! :-)
[08:58] <Treenaks> hey naf
[09:00] <infinity> Hrm, that talk of caffiened reminds me that if I want to get any work done this evening, I should go buy a bottle or three of Coke.
[09:01] <Nafallo> infinity: hehe, pills are quicker :-)
[09:01] <infinity> Less tasty.
[09:02] <Nafallo> indeed :-).
[09:03] <Nafallo> hmm, are there any info on what goes on p.u.c? I might aswell try to get it syndicated there :-).
[09:05] <daniels> infinity: bring me some iced tea
[09:05] <Nafallo> the blog is probably going to be rather ubuntu-centric :-).
[09:06] <Nafallo> but then again... seems I have to be a member, and I can't be that before 22:th of July anyway ;-).
[09:07] <Nafallo> well now, shower.. later all :-).
[09:31] <Keybuk> heh
[09:31] <Keybuk> dilinger: nice debian-devel post
[10:26] <pitti> hm, is it true that "eric" is obsolete and "eric3" supersedes it?
[10:26] <fabbione> pitti: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=2739&action=view
[10:27] <fabbione> pitti: do you have any idea what hald is trying to do?
[10:27] <fabbione> (11824)
[10:27] <pitti> fabbione: gulp
[10:29] <fabbione> i blame binary modules..
[10:29] <fabbione> but he claims he can't remove the nvidia
[10:29] <fabbione> that i somehow exclude given that it was working with the old kernel
[10:29] <fabbione> but the vmware modules are way more intrusive
[10:29] <fabbione> and they might infact exploit the mm fix we introduced 
[10:30] <fabbione> in order to work properly
[10:30] <pitti> fabbione: that's a security update, and not even an ABI changing one...
[10:30] <fabbione> pitti: exactly
[10:30] <pitti> fabbione: ah, the "start > end" mmap fix?
[10:30] <fabbione> pitti: probably
[10:30] <pitti> there really is a valid use case for that? tsk
[10:31] <pitti> fabbione: vmware needs kernel modules?
[10:31] <fabbione> pitti: yes it does to emulate the hardware to the client
[10:32] <pitti> it seems as if the guy is doomed...
[10:32] <pitti> fabbione: however, it doesn't seem to be hal specifi
[10:32] <pitti> c
[10:32] <fabbione> pitti: it is clearly not hald related :)
[10:33] <HrdwrBoB> similar to the way kqemu speeds up qemu orders of magnitude
[10:33] <pitti> fabbione: it seems that hal crashed while trying to read sysfs
[10:33] <fabbione> hey sabdfl 
[10:33] <pitti> Hi sabdfl 
[10:33] <sabdfl> mornin'
[10:33] <fabbione> pitti: that shouldn't cause a schedule in atomic
[10:34] <fabbione> pitti: an error of that kind shows up when you access a portion of the memory allocated as G_ATOMIC and request an irq to be scheduled
[10:34] <fabbione> pitti: it's easy to fix.. if i can get to know what is causing it
[10:34] <fabbione> s/G//
[10:34] <pitti> fabbione: hm, we need a hal backtrace for that to find out the original call
[10:35] <fabbione> pitti: i am still 100% sure it's a vmware fault...
[10:35] <fabbione> i mean everybody is running hald out there
[10:35] <fabbione> we would have noticed it way before that
[10:35] <pitti> fabbione: well, I can look for all poll() calls, but there are certainly a few
[10:36] <pitti> yes, and many people run the new hoary kernel
[10:36] <fabbione> exactly
[10:36] <pitti> he should try without vmware first IMHO
[10:36] <fabbione> pitti: i did ask for that
[10:37] <pitti> yes, he didn't reply to that
[10:40] <pitti> Hi seb128, what's up?
[10:40] <seb128> hey pitti 
[10:41] <seb128> not a lot of new, got a sort of flue ... not my day
[10:41] <seb128> and you?
[10:41] <pitti> pretty fine, doing some python again (langpack-o-matic) :-)
[10:41] <seb128> s/flue/flue/
[10:41] <seb128> ups
[10:41] <seb128> s/e//
[10:42] <pitti> not really your day :-)
[10:42] <seb128> see :p
[10:42] <pitti> seb128: then don't work for > 12 hours today
[10:42] <seb128> I've not planned to :)
[10:42] <siretart> hi folks
[10:42] <seb128> (I already took some extra sleep this morning)
[10:43] <seb128> pitti: have you found why gnome-panel has no translations with the new language-packs?
[10:43] <pitti> seb128: I stared at the logs, code, and tried to reproduce that without success
[10:43] <siretart> is there some issue with http://packages.ubuntu.com? I see some packages in breezy are newer than in on p.u.c
[10:43] <pitti> seb128: I uploaded a version with more debugging output yesterday
[10:43] <seb128> k
[10:44] <pitti> seb128: as soon as the next package has that symptom, I hope to learn more from the logs
[10:44] <seb128> should I upload a new panel?
[10:45] <pitti> seb128: if you have some fixes? new uploads have a high chance of good translation tarballs, and with the new cdbs we will get a POT anyway
[10:45] <pitti> seb128: the problem only occurs if we have neither a pot nor stripped mo files
[10:46] <seb128> k
[10:54] <sivang> morning all
[10:59] <pitti> Hi sivang 
[11:01] <mjg59> sabdfl: Oh, you're doing a talk in Cambridge?
[11:02] <mjg59> Enjoy the management students :)
[11:02] <Treenaks> mjg59: http://www.lugradio.org/live/2005/
[11:03] <mjg59> Treenaks: No, not that one
[11:03] <mjg59> (That's in Wolverhampton, which is a far more miserable place)
[11:06] <Treenaks> mjg59: yes, it's almost impossible to get there
[11:07] <bob2> feature, not a bug?
[11:08] <Treenaks> bob2: good point
[11:16] <sivang> pitti: hey martin
[11:20] <{Seb}> seb128: sorry about the bug
[11:20] <seb128> which one?
[11:20] <{Seb}> seb128: the one i filled today about the Run Application...
[11:21] <{Seb}> seb128: it would make sense to have it in the System menu
[11:21] <{Seb}> seb128: after reading the GNOME Bugzilla
[11:21] <seb128> there is a discussion about that on the -desktop list IIRC
[11:21] <seb128> I'll ask upstream 
[11:21] <{Seb}> right
[11:22] <seb128> but is that really useful? You have alt-F2
[11:22] <{Seb}> i should really get more involved with gnome/ubuntu ;-)
[11:22] <{Seb}> i have just started to use Alt-F2
[11:22] <{Seb}> but my Mum uses Ubuntu Hoary on her laptop
[11:22] <{Seb}> then when she uses my machine with Breezy, she goes and find it ain't there!
[11:22] <{Seb}> just have to get used to it
[11:23] <seb128> right, changing existant feature is not nice
[11:23] <{Seb}> btw, i am getting a few Segmentation Faults on Breezy
[11:23] <{Seb}> gFTP and Synaptic both produce them
[11:23] <{Seb}> while running
[11:24] <{Seb}> is there any way of debugging them
[11:25] <{Seb}> because if i run them from terminal, it just says 'Segmentation Fault'
[11:25] <seb128> gdm
[11:25] <seb128> ups
[11:25] <seb128> gdb
[11:25] <{Seb}> what?
[11:25] <seb128> gdb gftp
[11:25] <{Seb}> right
[11:25] <seb128> (gdb) run
[11:25] <mvo> {Seb}: if you can reproduce them run gdb (as seb said)
[11:25] <seb128> ... crash
[11:25] <seb128> (gdb) bt
[11:25] <{Seb}> lol, i'll give it a go
[11:25] <seb128> what's funy?
[11:25] <mvo> {Seb}: can you reproduce the synaptic segfaults? what distro? breezy? hoary?
[11:25] <seb128> hey mvo :)
[11:25] <{Seb}> breezy
[11:25] <mvo> hey seb128 
[11:26] <{Seb}> just mbo said seb and i'm also called seb!
[11:26] <{Seb}> doesn't matter ;-)
[11:27] <{Seb}> when i run 'gdb gftp' i get this error:
[11:27] <{Seb}> "/usr/bin/gftp": not in executable format: File format not recognized
[11:27] <seb128> gdb gftp-gtk
[11:27] <{Seb}> k
[11:29] <{Seb}> sorry, but it still won't work
[11:30] <{Seb}> i ran gdb gftp-gtk
[11:30] <{Seb}> and then ran 'run' from the (gdb) prompt
[11:30] <{Seb}> and it is trying to connect to a site called gftp-gtk
[11:32] <seb128> ??
[11:33] <{Seb}> i'll try synaptic
[11:42] <siretart> I'm currently reviewing tla-load-dirs, a package from universe, automatically merged by mom.
[11:42] <siretart> what is your opinion, should the maintainer in the merged changlog from MOM be changed from scott to the reviewer?
[12:14] <thom> siretart: most people leave it as scott if they make no changes
[12:16] <infinity> Which no doubt gives Scott many giggles.
[12:17] <infinity> siretart : I always change it to my name purely to provide a simple audit trail, so fellow developers can smack me around for having not merged correctly or ask me why I let change A or B in, or whatever.
[12:19] <siretart> infinity: sounds reasonable. will follow that
[12:27] <jsgotangco> bye bye
[12:38] <infinity> siretart : Looking for a name in the changelog is much simpler than finding the .changes on the list and checking the GPG sig to see who uploaded, basically.
[12:39] <seb128> is hct supposed to work atm?
[12:41] <pitti> seb128: well, for some hoary packages it does
[12:44] <seb128> pitti: hum, I get "The exception had the value: (111, 'Connection refused')" when I try to source something
[12:44] <sabdfl> mjg59: i'm considering giving them a walkthrough of the component architecture in zope3 as used by Launchpad
[12:44] <pitti> seb128: hm, right, I get the same
[12:45] <pitti> seb128: IIRC the lunchpad guys do some new rollout ATM
[12:45] <seb128> pitti: k, so that's not me (not me day :p)
[12:45] <seb128> s/me/my/
[12:45] <{Seb1> btw, when is there a version freeze on breezy?
[12:45] <seb128> you can find the schedule on the wiki
[12:45] <mjg59> sabdfl: At JIMS? Haha
[12:45] <{Seb1> thanks
[12:46] <sabdfl> mjg59: those bus students deserve a little rollercoaster ride :-)
[12:46] <Nafallo> pitti: I take care of ethereal. tseng informed me about what to do with it :-).
[12:46] <mjg59> It's in the middle of May Week, so your chances of finding sober students are... slim
[12:46] <sabdfl> hmm... maybe i should read Mithrandir's paper on bi-arch and present that instead
[12:46] <sabdfl> May Week is in June?
[12:47] <mjg59> Yes
[12:47] <{Seb1> btw, is smeg going to be the offical menu editor in breezy?
[12:47] <Nafallo> pitti: any news on that cryptsetup bug I found?
[12:47] <mjg59> (It used to be in May, but then got moved to after exams)
[12:47] <Nafallo> mjg59: I love your blog! :-)
[12:47] <pitti> Nafallo: no, sorry, no time yet...
[12:48] <Nafallo> pitti: oki. no rush.
[12:48] <{Seb1> sorry to be a bother
[12:49] <{Seb1> irrc, hoary had like Array-1 to Array-7
[12:49] <{Seb1> will this happen with Breezy
[12:49] <{Seb1> or are they called Collony-1
[12:49] <{Seb1> etc...
[12:49] <infinity> Yes.
[12:49] <Nafallo> mjg59: btw, suspend hates me. hibernate works with lan and wlan in MODULES="" @ Targa Visionary 811
[12:49] <{Seb1> Yes?
[12:49] <infinity> {Seb1 : Yes, they're called "Colony-X".
[12:50] <{Seb1> instead of Array?
[12:50] <Lathiat> yes
[12:50] <{Seb1> got it
[12:50] <mjg59> Nafallo: Could you file a bug, including the output of lsmod?
[12:50] <{Seb1> just out of interest, when will Colony 2 come along?
[12:50] <{Seb1> breezy is looking very very good
[12:50] <{Seb1> it is usable now imho!
[12:51] <mvo> {Seb1: did you manage to produce a backtrace from your synaptic crash?
[12:51] <{Seb1> nope, i couldn't get it to go it!
[12:51] <seb128> {Seb1: all that informations are on the wiki
[12:51] <{Seb1> sods law ain't it
[12:51] <Nafallo> mjg59: or rather suspend works, but doesn't turn on the backlight on the screen. I should probably try to ping the damn thing to see if it's alive :-).
[12:51] <Nafallo> mjg59: sure. against acpi-support?
[12:51] <{Seb1> seb128: i'm looking http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreezyBadger and can't stuff like that
[12:52] <mjg59> Nafallo: Sure
[12:52] <{Seb1> glad mono is now in main
[12:52] <mjg59> {Seb1: We'll see how long that lasts...
[12:52] <{Seb1> why? i thought mono was there for sure
[12:52] <{Seb1> as Beagle is going to be an essential part of Breezy
[12:53] <mjg59> There are patent issues. It's not clear how MS is going to deal with them.
[12:53] <{Seb1> i thought miguel sorted that one out a while ago
[12:53] <mjg59> No, Miguel said that they had to be licensed under RAND terms
[12:54] <mjg59> Which MS are free to charge money for
[12:54] <AndyFitz> mjg,  last time I spoke to a MS man concerned with those issues  he tried to push the fud onto novells hands 
[12:54] <{Seb1> right
[12:54] <mjg59> Now, it's entirely possible that MS will grant a free patent license. But they haven't publically committed to that.
[12:54] <mjg59> And it's probably going to take some community pressure to get any sort of statement of intent out of them
[12:55] <{Seb1> it seems kind of wrong that a free project is asking MS for a favour
[12:56] <mjg59> They own the patents...
[12:56] <mjg59> The alternative is to get software patents overturned in the US
[12:57] <{Seb1> how do you mean 'overturned'?
[12:57] <mjg59> The idea that software should be patentable
[12:57] <mjg59> It's not universal
[12:58] <{Seb1> now, in europe, software is not allowed to be patentable yet?
[12:58] <{Seb1> but it could be soon
[12:58] <mjg59> Correct
[12:58] <{Seb1> btw, does the French and Dutch vote of No have any consequences on this
[12:59] <{Seb1> i'm in the UK
[01:00] <mjg59> Nope
[01:00] <mjg59> It's independent of the EU constitution
[01:00] <{Seb1> right
[01:00] <mjg59> (Other than that they now have other things to worry about, so patents may be on hold for a short while)
[01:00] <Nafallo> mjg59: bug# 11832
[01:00] <{Seb1> mjh59: that's the spirit
[01:01] <mjg59> Nafallo: Can you add lsmod?
[01:01] <{Seb1> mjh59: does this mean the foss will be limited if patients come into force in europe?
[01:01] <Nafallo> mjg59: sure
[01:01] <mjg59> {Seb1: It could do. The long term consequences aren't clear.
[01:02] <{Seb1> these bureaucrats!
[01:02] <mjg59> Nafallo: Hmm. You shouldn't need to rmmod and modprobe by hand. They ought to be automatically picked up.
[01:02] <mjg59> I'll look into that
[01:03] <Nafallo> mjg59: /etc/default/acpi-support as well? :-)
[01:03] <mjg59> Please
[01:04] <Nafallo> mjg59: done :-)
[01:04] <mjg59> Ta
[01:05] <Nafallo> ey ogra! :-) how's life?
[01:05] <sivang> hey ogra , 'sup?
[01:05] <pitti> moin ogra
[01:05] <{Seb1> weird!
[01:05] <ogra> hi all :)
[01:05] <{Seb1> has anyone used sound juicer successfully on breezy?
[01:05] <{Seb1> hey ogra
[01:05] <{Seb1> it seems to be putting a whole cd into one track
[01:06] <pitti> {Seb1: please file a bug about this, or look whether there already is one :-)
[01:06] <{Seb1> gnome or ubuntu bugzilla?
[01:07] <Lathiat> {Seb1: thats a know gstreamer issue i think
[01:07] <Lathiat> someone mentioned it earlier
[01:07] <{Seb1> i've installed grip
[01:07] <{Seb1> and see if that is any better
[01:08] <Lathiat> wellthat doesnt use gstreamer
[01:08] <Lathiat> soassumedly it should work
[01:08] <{Seb1> yeh it is
[01:10] <Lathiat> no its not n
[01:10] <Riddell> how does gnome-volume-manager get started?
[01:10] <Lathiat> Riddell: gnome-session assumedly
[01:10] <{Seb1> by gnome-session?
[01:11] <Riddell> is that a shell script?
[01:11] <{Seb1> think it could be hard-coded in
[01:11] <Lathiat> Riddell: no
[01:11] <{Seb1> Lathiat: is it hard coded?
[01:11] <Lathiat> Riddell: its a fairly key compoennt of gnome written in c :)
[01:11] <Lathiat> {Seb1: no
[01:12] <{Seb1> i am wrong (as usual)
[01:12] <seb128> {Seb1: the sj bug is gst-plugins0.8 one fixed with an upload yesterday which has not built yet
[01:12] <Lathiat> its started by gnome-session, but afaik its in gconf or something
[01:12] <seb128> no
[01:13] <{Seb1> seb128: will it be in breezy-annouce when it is built and uploaded?
[01:13] <seb128> it's listed by the default session: /usr/share/gnome/default.session
[01:13] <Lathiat> "or something" :)
[01:13] <Lathiat> thanks seb128 
[01:13] <seb128> {Seb1: what is -announce?
[01:13] <{Seb1> whoops!
[01:13] <{Seb1> breezy-changes
[01:13] <Lathiat> man
[01:13] <{Seb1> i meant
[01:13] <Lathiat> dude
[01:13] <Lathiat> the { in yournick is annoying
[01:13] <{Seb1> mine?
[01:13] <Lathiat> i keep thinking theres irc lines are unterminated :)
[01:14] <{Seb1> it is meant to {Seb}
[01:14] <{Seb1> as Seb is already taken
[01:14] <Lathiat> "Shouldn't there bea closng }on thatline
[01:14] <Nafallo> Lathiat: lol! :-)
[01:14] <{Seb1> it is meant to be
[01:14] <Lathiat> Nafallo: im seriouslol
[01:14] <{Seb1> but Gaim is being stupid
[01:14] <{Seb1> sorry Lathiat!
[01:14] <{Seb1> didn't meant to offend you
[01:14] <Lathiat> spot the programmer
[01:15] <{Seb1> i'm gonna log out and in again
[01:15] <Nafallo> Lathiat: I agree without being a programmer (yet) :-)
[01:17] <{SebPayne}> oh bollox
[01:17] <{SebPayne}> it still won't go to {Seb}
[01:17] <{SebPayne}> it says the nick already exists
[01:18] <{SebPayne}> is there a way of killing it
[01:18] <{SebPayne}> i registered it with FreeNode but Gaim obviously hasn't logged off
[01:18] <Lathiat> is thenick registered?
[01:18] <pitti> {SebPayne}: is it from you, from a crashed session?
[01:18] <{SebPayne}> yep
[01:18] <{SebPayne}> yep
[01:18] <pitti> {SebPayne}: it will time out automatically
[01:18] <{SebPayne}> iirc, there is a NickServ command
[01:18] <infinity> If it's registered, just tell nickserv to punt it.
[01:18] <Lathiat> . /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <pass>
[01:18] <{SebPayne}> right
[01:18] <{SebPayne}> i'll give it a go
[01:18] <{Seb}> yeh!
[01:19] <{Seb}> i should just stick to XChat
[01:19] <{Seb}> what do people use around here for IRCing?
[01:19] <Lathiat> irssi
[01:19] <Nafallo> irssi from when I last logged in ;-)
[01:19] <{Seb}> lol
[01:20] <Nafallo> before that xchat
[01:20] <Nafallo> and before that gaim
[01:20] <pitti> btw, that's heavily OT for #u-d
[01:20] <Nafallo> pitti: agreed :-)
[01:20] <{Seb}> irssi?
[01:21] <Nafallo> {Seb}: irc-clients if not discussion about the devel of them :-).
[01:21] <{Seb}> lol. Ok Nafallo
[01:21] <Nafallo> pitti: how should I test bugzilla on warty? :-)
[01:22] <pitti> sudo dpkg -i bugzilla_*.deb?
[01:22] <Nafallo> hmm. warty stuff on breezy? :-)
[01:22] <pitti> that should work fine
[01:23] <Nafallo> oki
[01:23] <pitti> Nafallo: I have dchroots for that purpose, but usually you can test on breezy
[01:23] <{Seb}> i found that irssi was installed automatically
[01:23] <{Seb}> by Ubuntu!
[01:25] <{Seb}> exit
[01:25] <{Seb}> exit
[01:25] <{Seb}> soryr
[01:25] <{Seb}> *sorry
[01:25] <pitti> {Seb}: /quit
[01:25] <{Seb}> that's the one
[01:41] <tseng> hi ogra 
[01:44] <pitti> mvo: here?
[01:44] <mvo> pitti: yes
[01:44] <pitti> mvo: is python-apt able to use remote source urls?
[01:45] <pitti> mvo: i. e. on rookery I don't want to use the local apt lists (which don't have breezy sources)
[01:45] <pitti> mvo: but I want to download (urllib) the source list from archive.u.c or the local mirror
[01:46] <ogra> hi tseng 
[01:46] <mvo> pitti: apt (and python-apt) can do this with the Dir::Etc::sourcelist variable
[01:47] <pitti> mvo: how do I do that with python-apt?
[01:47] <pitti> sorry, but ENODOCS
[01:47] <mvo> pitti: I know, one of the biggest problems with python-apt right now. give me a minute and I'll give you a example
[01:47] <pitti> that'd rock
[01:48] <pitti> mvo: I mean, it is easy to implement that stuff on my own, but IMHO it makes more sense to extend python-apt for common tasks
[02:35] <sivang> mvo: you're the author for python-apt?
[02:35] <mvo> sivang: no, but I work on it nowdays
[02:35] <seb128> sivang: what's this list on the wiki?
[02:36] <seb128> sivang: seems to be the 'about dialog', not the menus?
[02:36] <sivang> seb128: I have taken the old list, since most of the stuff wrt which lib an app uses still relevant, I will have it finished by end of the week, talked with mdz about it last night
[02:36] <seb128> I'm working on it atm ...
[02:36] <sivang> seb128: I will modify it for the menu stuff, but after comparing with the new breezy seed list this most of it is relevant and serves as guideline for the reasearch work
[02:37] <seb128> good to communicate when you talk with mdz about something assigned to somebody else
[02:37] <sivang> seb128: sorry :-/
[02:37] <seb128> np
[02:37] <sivang> seb128: but acutally I have not managed to do too much on it,
[02:37] <seb128> anyway the list is not revelent
[02:37] <seb128> the menu and the about dialog are 2 different stuff
[02:37] <sivang> seb128: so it's cool, just add a column that specifies the number of the method
[02:37] <seb128> hum
[02:38] <seb128> I would rather do a table listing the menu updating something not adapted
[02:38] <seb128> ie: bug-buddy has not menu
[02:38] <sivang> seb128: you mean to seperate all the apps that don't have a menu ?
[02:38] <sivang> seb128: into another list?
[02:39] <seb128> hum
[02:39] <seb128> I mean do a table speaking about menus
[02:39] <sivang> seb128: ah I see
[02:39] <seb128> " bug-buddy
[02:39] <seb128> 
[02:39] <seb128> libgnomeui/(6)
[02:39] <seb128> 
[02:39] <seb128> Druid UI, uses an "About" button on first dialog , doesn't have a menu , must patch about box "
[02:39] <seb128> how is that adapted to the current spec?
[02:39] <sivang> seb128: well, the current spec didn't talk about apps that don't use a menu approachj at all, so I figured to be more inclusive
[02:39] <seb128> this should be "has no menu"
[02:40] <seb128> your previous work is on an another wiki page, so no dropped
[02:40] <seb128> I would rather make a new table for menus on the current spec
[02:40] <sivang> seb128: ok
[02:40] <seb128> anyway what did you talk about with mdz? 
[02:40] <sivang> seb128: so we will focus only on apps that have menus, and deal later with those that do not?
[02:40] <seb128> right
[02:41] <sivang> seb128: about that I want to adapt the list, but forget it, he was probably over busy to notice my blabber ;-)
[02:41] <seb128> make a table package/way to build the menu
[02:41] <seb128> I'll change the wiki
[02:42] <sivang> seb128: and also about maybe pushing this to end of the week, but again, I am not sure to which extent he read me, and if youre' already into it then it's irrelevant
[02:42] <sivang> seb128: cool with me
[02:42] <sivang> seb128: sorry for the confusion I caused
[02:42] <seb128> did you get a reply from mdz? or that's a one way talk from you with him?
[02:42] <seb128> np
[02:43] <sivang> seb128: ;-) Almost, but I did got a reply but as I said, if you're already working on it - then better not postpone this any further
[02:44] <seb128> if mdz said that's ok to delay a few days that's fine, but I had the feeling that's not the case
[02:46] <sivang> mdz: better talk to him directly
[02:47] <sivang> mdz: I don't want to cause more confusion...
[02:47] <seb128> ?
[02:47] <seb128> I'll work a bit on this now
[02:49] <sivang> seb128: ok
[02:49] <sivang> seb128: all I say we better check with mdz about this again, when he wakes up
[02:50] <sivang> seb128: regarding timeframe
[02:50] <seb128> right
[03:08] <Lathiat> Have I missed some kind of pam/ssh related DoS lately?
[03:08] <Lathiat> i had some IP connecting at me making ssh log bad protocol and no id strings, and afterabout 14 hours ssh refused accepting connections
[03:11] <tseng> er, there have been bruteforce worms for awhile now
[03:12] <sivang> seb128: oops, just noticed I talked to mdz when I wanted to talk to you.bah
[03:12] <seb128> np
[03:13] <infinity> daniels : Package: libglu1-xorg / Provides: libglu1c2 / Replaces: libglu1c2, libglu1 / Conflicts: libglu1, libglu1 ....
[03:13] <infinity> daniels : Missing a "c2" on that last Conflicts?
[03:17] <infinity> daniels : And while I'm at it, if it's really your intention for GLU implementations to now provide libglu1c2 instead of libglu1, your shlibs should be updated.  It currently reads: "libGLU    1 libglu1-xorg | libglu1"
[03:17] <daniels> infinity: RETURN OF CAPTAIN SKILL
[03:17] <daniels> thanks for the catch
[03:19] <mdke> .clones
[03:19] <mdke> dammit
[03:19] <mdke> wrong chan
[03:19] <mdke> soz
[03:20] <seb128> Keybuk: hey. "(111, 'Connection refused')" with hct is a known issue?
[03:21] <infinity> daniels : Any uploads planned soonish?... If not, I'll fix those two issues and upload, since the broken shlibs is a bit viral.
[03:21] <Keybuk> seb128: no ... ?
[03:21] <seb128> Keybuk: I get that when try to hct source something
[03:21] <seb128> s/try/trying/
[03:21] <Keybuk> yup, looks like the server has gone away
[03:22] <seb128> k
[03:22] <daniels> infinity: 'as soon as I fix locales in libX11', which doesn't really have any definite timeframe.  feel free to fix those two and upload.
[03:22] <Keybuk> can't see anything, have ping'd stub
[03:24] <infinity> daniels : Alright, consider it done.  I need to hunt down anything with broken deps and rebuild them afterward.  Yay, shlibs.
[03:25] <Keybuk> seb128: database update, will be down for a while
[03:25] <daniels> thanks
[03:25] <m0rphx> apropos X11, libxcursor1 is also broken
[03:25] <daniels> m0rphx: how so?
[03:25] <seb128> Keybuk: k, I'll try again later so, thanks
[03:26] <seb128> Keybuk: and have you debuged gdm import?
[03:26] <m0rphx> daniels: for example when you're trying to start firefox it says "XCursorCursorsDestroy" is undefined
[03:26] <Keybuk> no, not yet
[03:26] <daniels> m0rphx: 'whoops'.
[03:27] <daniels> m0rphx: open /usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1 with vim, change XCursor to Xcursor
[03:27] <daniels> my laptop must be interestingly broken
[03:28] <m0rphx> daniels: wow, I love that quick feedback. thx
[03:28] <daniels> m0rphx: no worries
[03:29] <seb128> hum
[03:29] <seb128> "dpkg-source: error: unrecognised file suffix `.tar'"
[03:29] <m0rphx> and while I am at it, where's the nice ubuntu branded xscreensaver? ^^
[03:30] <daniels> seb128: it's for your own good
[03:30] <seb128> daniels: native Debian packages are forbidden from now? :)
[03:31] <Keybuk> native packages with Debian revisions? :p
[03:32] <seb128> Keybuk: right, but this package is already in the archive :p
[03:32] <Keybuk> seb128: gdm worked today, I think it just got hit by the pybaz bug I fixed a while back
[03:32] <seb128> cool, just to wait to get the server running again so
[03:32] <Keybuk> yeh
[03:43] <thom> GAR
[03:43] <thom> /usr/bin/../lib/libXcursor.so.1: undefined reference to `XCursorCursorsDestroy'
[03:43] <thom> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[03:44] <thom> (and yes, i saw the solution)
[03:44] <Keybuk> yeah, these people who upload broken pages
[03:44] <Keybuk> kill zem all
[03:44] <Keybuk> "iz eeks bug"
[03:46] <\sh> one theory in my past was: break gentoo thursdays and fork gentoo always on fridays
[03:46] <\sh> but nowadays it's: break breezy every single day, and fork debian at last once in your life ;)
[03:50] <daniels> yeah
[03:50] <daniels> the solution here is don't copy shared libraries around
[03:50] <daniels> that way, when you test something, it'll actually find the right library :P
[03:53] <thom> bah, someone's broken zsh svn completion
[03:53] <daniels> svn?  wassat?
[03:53] <thom> one of those scm thingies
[03:54] <thom> you know, like visual sourcesafe
[03:54] <Clint> stop using broken scm thingies
[03:55] <thom> Clint: basically, svn rm now only completes things that have already been deleted
[03:55] <thom> which is not so helpful
[03:55] <daniels> oh, vss!  i love that thing!
[03:55] <Keybuk> daniels: see, libtool was right ;)
[03:56] <ogra> could some native speaker give me an advise for a sane dscription text for ggradebook ? 
[03:56] <ogra> Description: student grades tracking tool.
[03:56] <ogra> seems not to work...
[03:56] <ogra> at least for lintian
[03:57] <daniels> Keybuk: having been outsmarted by libtool is possibly the ultimate shame I can endure
[03:57] <daniels> far worse than even spraying a table in an Argentinian restaurant in Matar with beer
[03:59] <Treenaks> you had beer in Matar? :)
[03:59] <Clint> thom: that sounds like a brilliant change
[03:59] <thom> Treenaks: yeah, he was just about old enough
[03:59] <thom> Clint: it has some minor drawbacks, it seems ;-)
[03:59] <Treenaks> thom: no I mean.. I can only remember sangria
[04:00] <Clint> good thing i avoid using svn
[04:01] <daniels> thom: s/just about //
[04:02] <daniels> thom: make another age joke and I'll break your hip :P
[04:02] <thom> *smirk*
[04:02] <thom> you deserved that one
[04:04] <infinity> ogra : "tool for tracking students' grades".  But I bet lintian is just complaining about the trailing "."
[04:04] <ogra> i'll try....
[04:05] <pitti> Hi lamont__ 
[04:05] <doko> infinity: taking over xorg maintainance? ;-)
[04:05] <ogra> (creating the package took me 2 min, making lintian happy about my Description takes 20 min... thats just silly)
[04:05] <lamont__> g'morning
[04:05] <thom> that's lintian
[04:06] <ogra> hey lamont__ 
[04:06] <daniels> doko: see above where I asked himt o upload it ;)
[04:06] <tseng> pitti: do you have 2 minutes to check my email?
[04:06] <pitti> tseng: sure?
[04:06] <infinity> pitti : Oo, check my email too, I can't be bothered.  I'll send you my spool.
[04:06] <tseng> pitti: just to make sure i did it right, i posted 2 reviews for main
[04:06] <thom> lamont__: did you resolve whatever it was you were trying to disrupt my sleep for last night?
[04:06] <pitti> tseng: ah, that one. sorry
[04:06] <lamont__> thom: well, that part, yes.
[04:06] <lamont__> thom: and I wasn't trying to disrupt your sleep, I was just grumbling that you were sleeping. :-)
[04:07] <lamont__> thom: if I wanted to disrupt your sleep, I believe I still have your phone numbers
[04:07] <thom> lamont__: *g*
[04:07] <thom> lamont__: trust me, you don't want to do that ;-)
[04:08] <lamont__> thom: the final tidbit was that when you put toegether a CA cert, it needs to go clear back to the root cert. :-(
[04:09] <Treenaks> lamont__: just mail the private part of the keys around
[04:09] <lamont__> Treenaks: that's not my trick...
[04:10] <Treenaks> lamont__: no, but you were asking the expert ;)
[04:10] <lamont__> thom: klatu barata nicto
[04:10] <ogra> infinity, thanks, removing the dot helped :)
[04:10] <lamont__> ok.  maybe that was a bit obscure/skewed.
[04:11] <pitti> tseng: point 5 is boilerplate, otherwise it looks fine
[04:11] <thom> lamont__: uh?
[04:11] <pitti> tseng: I'll take a look at the packages today and add my ack
[04:13] <lamont__> thom: line from _the day the earth stood still_, spoken to Gort, causing him to not destroy the earth.
[04:13] <AndyFitz> gksudo not working,   gdm not starting properly   and too many instances of X trying to be opened on the one display..  what happened with libxcursor
[04:13] <lamont__> and somehow, the angry-thombot reminds me of Gort.....
[04:13] <Nafallo> pitti: thanx :-)
[04:13] <lamont__> klaatu barata nikto, actually
[04:15] <bradb> hey dudes. malone usability question for you: when looking at a list of bugs, do you care who the submitter of the bug was?
[04:15] <daniels> bradb: not usually
[04:15] <daniels> assigned to is typically more helpful in this case
[04:15] <pitti> not really
[04:15] <pitti> yes, assignee is important, just like the lists in bz
[04:16] <bradb> ok
[04:16] <seb128> no
[04:17] <thom> ah, heh
[04:17] <tseng> pitti: thanks!
[04:17] <thom> hrmph, having two instances of dhclient running is bad, mmmk?
[04:18] <daniels> thom: yes
[04:18] <pitti> thom: yes
[04:18] <daniels> thom: it's up!  it's down!  it's up!  it's down!
[04:18] <pitti> thom: intermediate dhclient3 versions had a bug
[04:18] <pitti> thom: the latest breezy version should fix it
[04:18] <Nafallo> thom: depends. is it on the same device it's bad :-)
[04:18] <thom> (especially with different command line arguments and different leases files)
[04:18] <thom> pitti: NM v ifupdown in this instance
[04:19] <seb128> bradb: is there any way to get the bugs filled against <package> by mail?
[04:21] <thom> D"wooops"
[04:36] <seb128_> grumpf
[04:36] <seb128_> bradb: have you replied to my question?
[04:36] <daniels> seb128_: no
[04:36] <seb128_> k
[04:37] <seb128_> less than 3 weeks before switching to malone? :)
[04:43] <infinity> daniels : D'oh.  I assume that xcursor upload that was 2 minutes before the xorg upload fixes the xorg-hates-xcursor FTBFS I just had? :)
[04:44] <daniels> infinity: how cool am I?
[04:44] <AndyFitz> rock!
[04:44] <AndyFitz> daniels.  10 points for the quick fix
[04:45] <bob2> haha
[04:45] <bob2> they need to tour again
[04:46] <AndyFitz> they never play here in brissie
[04:46] <AndyFitz> hardly ever
[04:46] <zul> uh wiki down/
[04:46] <AndyFitz> no brissie bands play for us  unless its part of a national tour
[04:47] <bob2> haha
[04:47] <bob2> even down in the 'valley?
[04:47] <AndyFitz> uh  once regurgitator threw a free gig in the valley on a random sunday
[04:47] <bob2> haha
[04:47] <AndyFitz> bob2,  thats where I live
[04:47] <AndyFitz> all we get is butterfingers showing up to every on-the-spot set
[04:48] <AndyFitz> yay for the 3 hour drive to splendour in the grass
[04:49] <bob2> bah for selling out before I bought tickets
[04:50] <AndyFitz> missed out on BDO due to that.   not this time
[04:51] <AndyFitz> clearlooks-olive  in breezy is sexier than... many things
[04:52] <bradb> seb128: sorry dude, alarm system guy showed up so i was away for 20 mins. no, the email UI doesn't have a query interface yet.
[04:52] <seb128> bradb: query interface? No, I want get mails for bugs sent on my packages
[04:53] <thom> clearlooks-olive? are you having a giraffe?
[04:54] <bradb> seb128: oh, i interpreted your question to mean a query UI. the answer is: yes, since about 8 months ago. ;)
[04:54] <seb128> bradb: how to I do?
[04:55] <seb128> bradb: ie: I want to get the bug for gnome-panel and Cc: upstream by default
[04:55] <AndyFitz> thom:  no,  pet-reptile permits are hard enough to get here in AU let alone wanting a whole giraffe
[04:56] <AndyFitz> you need one of those to get a funky-turtle as I learnt on the weekend
[04:56] <infinity> But you can get the non-funky kind without?
[04:56] <bradb> seb128: one sec, i'm just looking at if we have a UI to set you as the maintainer of that package yet.
[04:57] <AndyFitz> yeah , but who wants  a turtle without a mohawk
[04:57] <thom> AndyFitz: do you have a dog license? and a goldfish license too?
[04:57] <thom> oh, hurrah, we finally have working lighthouseblue again.
[04:58] <AndyFitz> tropical or marine fish  don't require anything
[04:59] <AndyFitz> I'll be right back x restart
[05:01] <thom> AndyFitz: i was aiming for http://orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/fish.htm
[05:02] <zul> i love that sketch
[05:02] <AndyFitz> zul,  nice one :)
[05:02] <seb128> jamesh: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/LaunchpadIntegration, I've listed some of the packages here ... gtkuimanager is used by most of the Desktop stuff
[05:07] <bradb> seb128: it appears that we don't have a UI for setting the sp maintainer on things. (ISTR this has been a problem for a while now.) i'm filing the appropriate bugs and contacting the relevant people to see what we need to do here to make sure you are properly set as the maintainer where you want to be.
[05:07] <seb128> bradb: thanks
[05:13] <KaiL> something went wrong with the synaptic update?
[05:14] <KaiL> ah, and there comes the fix :)
[05:24] <bradb> seb128: so, according to debonzi (our soyuz/source packages guy) we'll be running a script next week that imports package release data, and you'll be correctly set as the maintainer of gnome-panel. that information will be grabbed from that archive at that time.
[05:27] <mdz> morning
[05:27] <tseng> morning mdz.
[05:28] <pitti> Hi mdz 
[05:32] <fabbione> morning mdz
[05:32] <mvo> morning mdz 
[05:32] <ogra> hey mdz
[05:34] <zul> hi mdz
[05:45] <doko> Mithrandir: please could you update the OOo2.amd64 packages? It's still the old snapshot, but is currently uninstallable. So, low priority.
[05:46] <tseng> doko: the gnome guys were wondering why we didnt sync with michael meeks changes for awhile
[05:47] <pitti> tseng: btw, we really need both gtk-sharp and gtk-sharp2?
[05:48] <tseng> pitti: yes.
[05:48] <tseng> pitti: different api
[05:48] <doko> tseng: because we had to fix our build environment first ... working on it.
[05:48] <tseng> doko: yay :)
[05:49] <tseng> pitti: gtk-sharp wraps gtk 2.2 features, stable api
[05:49] <pitti> tseng: what about the status of upstream/Debian/Malone bug reports?
[05:49] <tseng> pitti: gtk-sharp2 wraps also 2.4 stuff, new api, allegedly unstable but it hasnt broken anything for months
[05:49] <tseng> there are probably alot of open small bug reports upstream.. i dont have anything assigned in ubuntu space
[05:49] <pitti> tseng: I'm asking because gtk-sharp2-unstable is also on the list
[05:49] <tseng> ill search
[05:50] <pitti> tseng: no, I'm just interested in open showstopper bugs
[05:50] <pitti> tseng: and in particular how well they are handled
[05:50] <pitti> tseng: but with -unstable we have three different versions in main...
[05:50] <pitti> tseng: is -unstable still required?
[05:50] <tseng> let me confirm which one is real
[05:50] <tseng> what happened is a DD posted them and i synced
[05:51] <tseng> they went into debian w/ a slightly different naming
[05:51] <pitti> tseng: alright, I take a look at the debs now
[05:53] <tseng> gtk-sharp2-unstable is the correct source
[05:53] <tseng> whats the other one called again?
[05:53] <tseng> we need to drop it
[05:53] <pitti> gtk-sharp2?
[05:53] <tseng> um
[05:54] <tseng> i dont think there was a source package called that
[05:54] <pitti> tseng: oh, gtk-sharp2 is the deb, -unstable the source
[05:55] <tseng> yes
[05:55] <pitti> tseng: so the report should be adopted
[05:55] <tseng> should be a meta package
[05:55] <pitti> alright
[05:55] <tseng> but i cant remember what dajobe was calling it
[05:56] <pitti> tseng: any reason why libvte-cil is not arch:all?
[05:57] <pitti> tseng: same for libgconf-cil?
[05:57] <Zomb> pitti: arch specific glue code, IIRC
[05:57] <pitti> Zomb: not in these two pacakges AFAICS
[05:57] <pitti> Zomb: that's true for e. g. libgtk-cil
[05:58] <tseng> it all looks managed
[05:58] <tseng> in gconf
[05:58] <tseng> same for vte
[05:59] <tseng> those should be fixed in debian and synced across if meebey doesnt have a good reason
[06:00] <pitti> tseng: ok, it's no biggie, but it should be fixed
[06:00] <tseng> yes i've pinged him
[06:00] <bradb> another random malone usability question: what do you guys think of this style of listing? http://rt.cpan.org/NoAuth/Bugs.html?Dist=DBD-mysql.
[06:01] <tseng> bradb: perhaps if the subitems were slightly indented
[06:01] <pitti> bradb: I miss the assignee and the ID should be better separated from the description
[06:01] <bradb> do you guys think that grouping by severity is effective?
[06:02] <tseng> i think severity is usually set inappropriately at present
[06:02] <tseng> some people think their bugs are "blockers" or "major"
[06:02] <pitti> bradb: I think yes; it's up to the maintainer to adjust severity
[06:02] <pitti> bradb: my own bz page is sorted by severity at least
[06:03] <bradb> is grouping by severity a good thing or a bad thing?
[06:03] <tseng> good.
[06:03] <pitti> bradb: good
[06:03] <bradb> is there something better to group by than that?
[06:03] <pitti> bradb: however, it should be configurable in personal prefs
[06:03] <bradb> pitti: good point
[06:03] <pitti> bradb: sometimes I need to group chronologically, i. e. by descending bug id
[06:04] <bradb> pitti: but grouping by severity by default...would that make you happy?
[06:04] <pitti> bradb: everybody should set his personal preference, with chronological being a sane default IMHO
[06:04] <pitti> bradb: as long as I can modify it, severity default would be fine for me
[06:04] <pitti> bradb: bz does it nicely, you click on the colum header you want to sort it after
[06:05] <bradb> that's one of the change i'm making to the current search page as we speak :)
[06:06] <jbailey> bradb: I usually sort by most recently touched so that I can see if someone has replied to a bug or if a new one came in easily since I last checked.
[06:08] <bradb> jbailey: so, let's say that, for 1.0, changing the default grouping as not an option. what grouping, sorting-within-grouping order would you want to see?
[06:08] <pitti> tseng: similar case in -unstable: it might be best to inspect all packages whether they can be made arch:all
[06:08] <tseng> pitti: *nod*
[06:08] <mvo> elmo: can you sync balsa please? (override is ok)
[06:08] <pitti> tseng: packages look fine to me
[06:09] <jbailey> bradb: My biggest concern when I'm looking at the whole list of bugs is to find the ones that have had something change on them.
[06:09] <tseng> thanks a lot pitti 
[06:10] <tseng> will talk to meebey re: arch all
[06:10] <tseng> vs any
[06:10] <pitti> tseng: I update the report now and add my ack
[06:10] <pitti> reports, even
[06:10] <jbailey> bradb: I do that in bugzilla by sorting by last updated time, but it could easily be a flag or some other way to let me quickly see what's new.
[06:10] <tseng> i guess i should mail to -devel now
[06:11] <elmo> mvo: done
[06:11] <mvo> elmo: thanks :)
[06:12] <bradb> jbailey: i see what you mean. thanks, i'll ponder that while i'm modifying things on the page.
[06:15] <elmo> has anyone see interdiff fail miserably with -p1 ?
[06:15] <elmo> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file /tmp/interdiff-1.HYD4ix.rej
[06:15] <elmo> interdiff: Error applying patch1 to reconstructed file
[06:15] <elmo> like that?
[06:34] <mdz> thom: what remains on the todo list before uploading NM to Breezy, and then before adding it to desktop?
[06:35] <mdz> elmo: yeah, I have seen that happen once before
[06:35] <pitti> tseng: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MainInclusionReportGtkSharp
[06:35] <pitti> tseng: ^ I made some adjustments
[06:40] <mdz> eek, udu.wiki is giving 500 errors
[06:40] <mdz> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalPartitioningTool
[06:41] <thom> mdz: figuring out why it causes the ipw2100 driver to panic
[06:43] <thom> mdz: besides that, i think it's ready to go, but i don't fancy doing so when it causes systems to die 
[06:44] <KaiL> thom: Version 1.10 on Kernel 2.6.12rc? ;)
[06:45] <thom> KaiL: probably so, yes
[06:46] <fabbione> hey thom
[06:46] <fabbione> hey elmo
[06:46] <fabbione> elmo: can you please move redhat-cluster-suite (source) and libdlm1 (binary from rh-c-s) to main? the latter is required to build lvm2
[06:46] <KaiL> saw the same on an ASus M2400N - works stable with hoary, crashes with breezy-Kernel (btw. only if it finds a Net!)
[06:47] <mdz> thom: is there any way we can cripple it so that it doesn't poke that driver?  we need to start testing the rest of it ASAP
[06:47] <thom> mdz: not sure, looking at solutions now
[06:48] <mdz> elmo: can you take a look at the udu moin instance?
[06:49] <fabbione> thom: i know the ipw2100 needs an update in 12rc6
[06:49] <fabbione> thom: i have it in my todo list
[06:50] <elmo> mdz: did I kill it?
[06:50] <thom> fabbione: ok, i'm gonna do it now and try it
[06:50] <thom> fabbione: unless you have any objections?
[06:51] <fabbione> you mean upload?
[06:51] <fabbione> thom: i have no objections if you do it in baz
[06:51] <mdz> elmo: someone or something did
[06:51] <thom> well, i mean merging and building myself a test kernel
[06:51] <elmo> mdz: sweet
[06:51] <thom> and commiting, yes
[06:51] <fabbione> thom: but don't upload. the toolchain is fucked and i need to fix a FTBFS on ppc
[06:52] <fabbione> thom: i have no problems with the rest :)
[06:52] <fabbione> thom: just be 100% sure to check the compilation options.
[06:52] <thom> fabbione: nod
[06:52] <fabbione> thom: there are a few tricks to update that driver
[06:53] <fabbione> thom: it would probably easier for you to just compile it externally
[06:53] <fabbione> otherwise go ahead and i will check it tomorrow :)
[06:53] <elmo> fabbione: err, did it do the requisite hoop jumping?
[06:53] <fabbione> hoop jumping????
[06:53] <fabbione> elmo: it has been approved by pitti for the security review
[06:54] <fabbione> if that's what you mean
[06:55] <elmo> yeah
[06:55] <fabbione> yes it did
[06:55] <fabbione> we don't need more than that for now
[06:56] <elmo> fabbione: done
[06:56] <fabbione> elmo: thanks
[06:56] <fabbione> elmo: can you also kindly kick-back lvm2 on all arches?
[06:56] <fabbione> it's FTBFS because of libdlm-dev not installable
[06:56] <fabbione> (that you just kindly fixed) ;)
[06:56] <elmo> ok, I'll give it back once the change hits the archive
[06:56] <fabbione> rocking
[06:57] <fabbione> elmo: let me tell you what....
[06:57] <fabbione> elmo: YOU ROCK!
[06:57] <Burgundavia> can I have a developer opinion on --> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41145
[06:59] <Burgundavia> and can someone knowledgeable about nautilus look at --> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41530
[07:26] <mdz> jbailey: what is the name of that 2.6.12 tool you mentioned for EarlyUserspace coldplugging?
[07:34] <jbailey> mdz: modprobe in a more-recent-than-we-have module-init-tools can take the modalias as an argument.
[07:37] <sladen> Burgundavia: re: QoS by default, I mentioned to the last person who asked to add it to the IdeasPool page---could you check they have and if not, add it
[07:38] <Burgundavia> sladen, ok, cheers
[07:51] <elmo> jesus christ
[07:51] <elmo> libaqbanking-plugins-libgwenhywfar17c2
[07:51] <elmo> and the award for package name of the year goes to ....
[07:52] <fabbione> ahahha
[07:52] <fabbione> oh god
[07:52] <fabbione> how are you supposed to remember something like that?
[07:53] <wm_eddie_> is it seriously libgwenhywfar17c2?
[07:53] <pitti> sounds like daf's package :-)
[07:53] <pitti> welsh
[07:59] <tseng> pitti: thanks!
[07:59] <pitti> no worries :-)
[08:02] <pitti> Hi Mez 
[08:04] <Mez> evening pitti :D
[08:04] <Mez> konv built in the end :D
[08:05] <Mez> than ks to you D
[08:05] <pitti> yeah, I saw
[08:05] <Mez> though it's apparently affecting the sintall of firefox now :P
[08:05] <Mez> (only the install though - firefox works fine if It's already installed
[08:15] <wasabi_> huh. this dbus interface for dhclient... i've never noticed that before.
[08:40] <mdz> seb128,jamesh: how is the LaunchpadIntegration work going?  did we meet our milestones for yesterday?
[08:46] <Mez> mdz: ping
[08:46] <mdz> ?
[08:46] <Mez> you#re on CC right ?
[08:46] <mdz> no
[08:47] <Mez> ah, fair enough, who is
[08:47] <mdz> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/processes/
[08:47] <Mez> just want to talk to someone about a user harrasing the ubuntuforums staff... and threatening to goto CC and get hem shut down ... 
[08:48] <mdz> mako: is the most likely to be around at the moment
[08:48] <Mez> mako: ping
[08:51] <thom> mdz: the ipw2100 oops is caused by doing a scan; so iwconfig eth1 scanning triggers it too. it'll be very hard to avoid NM doing that
[08:52] <mdz> thom: 2.6.10 or 2.6.12?
[08:52] <thom> 12
[08:52] <mdz> did you try with the latest ipw2100 driver?
[08:52] <mdz> (from upstream)
[08:52] <thom> we have the latest already, yeah
[08:59] <thom> bleah. regression in 2.6.12; it works _perfectly_ in .10
[09:04] <seb128> mdz: I've updated the wiki with a list of desktop packages, most of them use GtkUIManager ... maybe worth patching gtk for that, I'm waiting on jamesh pong on that
[09:12] <mdz> hmm, I have a CD where sound-juicer just keeps reading the first track forever
[09:12] <mdz> seb128: have you ever heard of anything like that?
[09:13] <mdz> it is only a 2:45 track, but it keeps encoding forever (and the file grows)
[09:13] <seb128> mdz: that's a gstreamer0.8-cdparanoia 0.8.9 bug fixed with my upload from 2 days ago which has not built yet
[09:13] <mdz> it reads the CD TOC fine, though, and lists all the tracks
[09:13] <mdz> seb128: oh, thanks
[09:14] <Burgundavia> OO devs, response on OO --> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41734
[09:14] <seb128> mdz: np
[09:14] <mdz> seb128: I don't see a new source for it though
[09:14] <seb128> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gst-plugins0.8/0.8.9-0ubuntu3/
[09:14] <seb128> this one
[09:15] <seb128> which is waiting for libpolypaudio to main
[09:15] <mdz> oh, there it is
[09:16] <mdz> seb128: promoted
[09:17] <seb128> thanks
[09:17] <mdz> I think it will retry on its own soon
[09:18] <seb128> cool
[09:26] <HiddenWolf> mdz, I had something like that on a copy-right protected cd
[09:33] <seth_k> anyone familiar with autoconf / automake, enough to take a stab at deciphering this error message on build?
[09:33] <mako> Mez: hey there
[09:33] <mako> Mez: i just saw a message from ryan troy about the same thing
[09:34] <\sh> mako: hey when r u at the linuxtag?
[09:34] <Mez> probably :D
[09:34] <tseng> hi mako.
[09:34] <Mez> I'll talk to you via query if thats ok ?
[09:39] <mdz> seb128: is goffice something which is suitable for main?  gnumeric build-deps on it now
[09:39] <seb128> yep
[09:39] <seb128> some of the gnumeric widgets have been placed to libgoffice
[09:39] <seb128> so they can be used for abiword and other stuff
[09:39] <justin> and evince right? :-)
[09:40] <seb128> too
[09:53] <mdz> jbailey: can you give me the 5-minute intro to mkinitramfs hooks?
[09:53] <jbailey> Yup!
[09:54] <jbailey> mdz: Got 0.7 installed?
[09:54] <thom> mdz: so fabbione tells me the likely cause is upstream out-of-syncness, and that'll get resolved in the course of time. so i'm tempted to upload and tell people with problems on ipw2100 to run 2.6.10 in the mean time...
[09:59] <mdz> jbailey: yep
[10:00] <jbailey> mdz: 'kay.  In /usr/share/initramfs-tools
[10:00] <mdz> jbailey: (perhaps a 5-minute conversation spread out over 15? ;-))
[10:00] <jbailey> =)
[10:00] <mdz> that's my normal mode of operation
[10:00] <mdz> (that was an incoming phone call)
[10:00] <jbailey> Works for me, I won't block on your responses then. =)
[10:01] <mdz> good plan
[10:01] <jbailey> mdz: init, scripts/nfs and scripts/local now contain lines that say "run_scripts /scripts/foo"
[10:01] <jbailey> mdz: Those are the directories under scripts
[10:01] <jbailey> mdz: Each script is called twice, the first time with an argument of 'prereqs'
[10:02] <jbailey> Where it's expected to return a string saying which scripts must be run first from this directory.
[10:02] <jbailey> I intend it to be a soft dependancy, so that if they're not there that it's not a problem.
[10:02] <jbailey> It's intended to make it easy to do things like force evms to run after lvm if lvm is present, but not freak otherwise.
[10:03] <pitti> mdz: meeting now?
[10:03] <jbailey> scripts/local-top contains an example script, it's the md stuff
[10:03] <jbailey> (Which I'm using to boot my machine now)
[10:07] <mdz> wasabi: /join #ubuntu-meeting
[10:08] <mdz> ogra: can you /join #ubuntu-meeting?
[10:15] <Mez> please tell me the wiki transtiiton isnt happening now
[10:15] <Burgundavia> Mez, tomorrow, 10am
[10:16] <Mez> ah kk
[10:21] <jbailey> mdz: I have some vague thoughts that the scripts I've used here to do the init stuff could be tweaked for the dependancy based init system.
[10:23] <\sh> that was fast
[10:24] <mdz> jbailey: ok, so where would I drop the ltsp script and what does it need to do?
[10:25] <jbailey> mdz: Do you need anything before the hacked nfs script that you sent me?
[10:25] <mdz> jbailey: I would like for it to be independent of the root filesystem being used
[10:26] <mdz> I could just provide a complete script which is a modified nfs script (I could do that without hooks), but I'd rather it be a hook which runs after the root fs is mounted
[10:26] <jbailey> So whether it's nfs or booting off of a local harddrive?
[10:30] <mdz> seb128: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gst-plugins0.8/0.8.9-0ubuntu3/ <-- successful
[10:30] <mdz> jbailey: right
[10:31] <mdz> whether the root filesystem is NFS, GFS, an nbd device, or even a local hard disk, it should be possible to stack a unionfs COW layer on top
[10:31] <seb128> mdz: nice
[10:31] <ogra> mdz, sorry, totally forgot about the meeting
[10:31] <jbailey> mdz: cym
[10:32] <mdz> ogra: it's ok, most of the candidates didn't show
[10:32] <ogra> yeps, just read the log... 20mins is a new record, isnt it ?
[10:32] <jbailey> mdz: Also, you mentioned that you needed the unix module, so create a file called /usr/share/initramfs-tools/modules.d/ltsp that just contains the word unix
[10:33] <mdz> jbailey: ok. what about the unionfs magic?
[10:33] <jbailey> mdz: Did I miss a bit in the script?
[10:34] <mdz> jbailey: where do I drop my script?
[10:35] <jbailey> mdz: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-bottom
[10:35] <jbailey> mdz: I think the script I sent you has everything you need.
[10:35] <mdz> you sent me a script?
[10:35] <mdz> oh, _just_ now
[10:35] <jbailey> mdz: Sorry, yes.  That's what the cym was for. =)
[10:36] <mdz> jbailey: oh, I wasn't familiar with that acronym
[10:38] <wasabi_> I should obviously move around the world so that I don't have to be at work when Ubuntu has meetings.
[10:46] <dilinger> wasabi: yea, it's much better when they happen at 4am local time
[10:50] <mdz> jbailey: hmm, first attempt failed
[10:51] <mdz> jbailey: my init-bottom hook didn't get copied into the initramfs
[10:51] <mdz> oh, I put it in the wrong place, silly me
[10:53] <wasabi_> The obvious solution is that Canonical should pay to move us all to the best place on earth. ;)
[10:54] <justin> wasabi_: outer space? :-)
[10:54] <mdz> jbailey: ok, after fixing that, my hook script is in place, but still doesn't seem to get run
[10:54] <wasabi_> Disney land!
[10:54] <mdz> jbailey: I get 2x "basename: not found"
[10:54] <mdz> I have BUSYBOX=n if that makes a difference; I think that's the default though
[10:55] <jbailey> mdz: Oh, I think I might still have busybox loading optional.  Can you please set it to yes and respin?
[10:55] <jbailey> Thinking of which.
[10:55] <jbailey> Kamion: ping =)
[10:56] <mdz> testing
[10:56] <Kamion> jbailey: hi
[10:56] <mdz> jbailey: having a hyphen in the filename of an init-bottom script breaks horribly
[10:57] <mdz> jbailey: eval: 1: array_name-with-hyphens=: not found
[10:57] <jbailey> Kamion: Wanted to final check that there's no objection to me adding another busybox pass with just what I want for initramfs.
[11:00] <trulux> mako: ping
[11:00] <Kamion> jbailey: no objection here
[11:00] <mako> trulux: yes
[11:01] <trulux> mako: Amaya replied
[11:01] <trulux> mako: if it's absolutely necessary, I'll meet her
[11:01] <jbailey> Kamion: tx
[11:01] <mako> trulux: well, it's not absolutely necessary to meet her
[11:01] <mako> but it's absolutely necessary to meet someone
[11:01] <mdz> jbailey: hmm, my hook script is getting a null/unset ${rootmnt}
[11:01] <mdz> jbailey: missing export?
[11:02] <trulux> mako: well, I will see
[11:02] <jbailey> Shouldn't be, or the nfs script itself shouldn't have seen the variable.
[11:03] <mdz> jbailey: that one is sourced
[11:04] <jbailey> Oh, right.
[11:04] <jbailey> Hmm, that would mean that my rootmnt= hack wouldn't work either for changing the variable.
[11:06] <jbailey> I wonder if there's any reason not to just source these to run.  I want them to be able to fiddle with the environment.
[11:07] <jbailey> mdz: Mind trying something?  LIne 101 of scripts/functions, please change ${initdir}/${cs_x} to . ${initdir}/${cs_x}
[11:09] <mdz> jbailey: I added an export to init, and that fixed it
[11:09] <mdz> jbailey: I had already changed it not to use the rootmnt= hack anyway
[11:09] <mdz> it just mounts over the existing ${rootmnt}
[11:12] <mdz> jbailey: the only thing remaining is that the NFS mount needs to be read-only
[11:12] <mdz> it should be sufficient if the nfs script honors the kernel command line 'ro' parameter
[11:13] <jbailey> I wonder if I were to mount it always read only if the usualy remount from ro to rw would work.
[11:13] <jbailey> But I'll fix it to honour the cmdline.
[11:14] <mdz> remounting from ro to rw does work with nfs, I believe
[11:14] <estragon> hello
[11:14] <mdz> you're already parsing it out; should be trivial to fix
[11:14] <jbailey> Yup
[11:14] <estragon> i have tray to go on breezy
[11:15] <estragon> i have had not to much tooble but i loos a wxpython pack ;-((
[11:17] <jbailey> Yup, -o ro, or -o rw, /me fixes
[11:18] <mdz> I don't know why it doesn't work when the NFS mount is rw, but I did run into this before
[11:18] <mdz> unionfs is not what one might call "robust"
[11:18] <jbailey> Does this otherwise get you a working initramfs?
[11:21] <mdz> jbailey: seems to; I'm going to hack up nfs to test
[11:21] <mdz> (whether it goes 100% normal once I get a read-only mount)
[11:22] <elmo> ogra: ?
[11:22] <ogra> elmo, ?
[11:22] <jbailey> mdz: Cool.  On your system if you include "ramdisk=/usr/sbin/mkinitramfs" in your /etc/kernel-img.conf now, new kernels will call that instead of mkinitrd.
[11:23] <ogra> elmo, ggradebook ?
[11:23] <elmo> ogra: nm, see mail :)
[11:23] <ogra> whoops... ok
[11:26] <mdz> jbailey: great
[11:26] <mdz> jbailey: unfortunately, it still needs to be regenerated manually, since the user needs to specify their network driver
[11:26] <mdz> jbailey: until the initramfs can do the detection
[11:27] <estragon> any experience with the breezy tree ?
[11:27] <jbailey> mdz: Right, or a generous list specified in /etc/mkinitramfs/modules for testing.
[11:28] <mdz> jbailey: seems to work fine with a hacked nfs script to add -o ro
[11:28] <seb128> any reason we don't have gnome-alsamixer somewhere?
[11:28] <seb128> (Debian has it)
[11:28] <jbailey> Lovely, that'll be in the next upload. then.
[11:28] <mdz> jbailey: if you're going to upload those two fixes shortly, I'll go ahead and upload with a dep on initramfs-tools >= 0.8
[11:28] <seb128> hum, nm
[11:29] <seb128> hum, no ... it's on the archive but apt-cache search doesn't find it
[11:29] <mdz> estragon: the development team all run breezy, yes
[11:29] <jbailey> Two being the export of init and the ro nfsmount, yes?
[11:30] <mdz> correct
[11:30] <mdz> I'm pretty sure that's all I changed
[11:30] <mdz> ltsp 0.24 uploaded
[11:30] <torkel> seb128: isn't that replaced by gnome-volume-control? 
[11:30] <mdz> jbailey: with 0.24, you should be able to build your own ltsp setup without much trouble
[11:31] <mdz> should make a pretty good test case for initramfs changes
[11:31] <mdz> it exercises all these new code paths :-)
[11:31] <estragon> i just install it on an old ppc g3 beige.. but i tray wxpython, but it's no more present in the new depot...
[11:31] <jbailey> mdz: Nice, thanks. =)
[11:32] <seb128> torkel: "replaced"?
[11:32] <torkel> seb128: well, g-v-c does everything g-a does
[11:32] <seb128> right, but that's not my question
[11:33] <seb128> I don't discuss if it has some interest, by it's on archive.u.c and apt-cache doesn't find it
[11:33] <ogra> elmo, fixed, sorry
[11:33] <torkel> ah
[11:33] <seb128> s/by/but why/
[11:36] <estragon> mdz, it's regard wxpython that seam's to be no more present!
[11:37] <mdz> estragon: libwxgtk2.4-python
[11:38] <seb128> mdz: any idea for gnome-alsamixer?
[11:39] <mdz> seb128: none
[11:39] <torkel> seb128: it is available in warty, but not i hoary (or breezy). Did it get dropped after warty?
[11:39] <mdz> I never heard of it before
[11:39] <estragon> and no more 2.5 ... in hoary it's cool wxpython2.5.3 ... but i will tray has you say
[11:39] <seb128> mdz: I've a bug about it, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gnome-alsamixer/ has the package, but it's not listed by the archive
[11:40] <seb128> mdz: should I reassign the bug to somebody?
[11:40] <seb128> elmo?
[11:41] <estragon> mdz, houps ...libwxgtk2.4 is all ready install ... but the othe pak go away of the new tree...
[11:41] <elmo> seb128: ?
[11:42] <elmo> seb128: it's only in warty
[11:42] <seb128> elmo: any reason? 
[11:42] <elmo> [rene]  RoMOTU: replaced by built-in fuctionality of GNOME
[11:42] <seb128> hum? 
[11:43] <elmo> it was removed at the request of the MOTU
[11:43] <seb128> we remove universe stuff for random reasons?
[11:43] <elmo> if MOTU ask for it
[11:43] <seb128> and now a guy bug to get it ...
[11:43] <seb128> do you know what motu asked for that?
[11:43] <mdz> elmo: can you retry nfs-utils?
[11:44] <mdz> it was failing due to needing a promotion to main, but it hasn't retried since the promotion happened
[11:45] <ogra> seb128, sorry, that must have been daniel, no idea why it was removed
[11:45] <elmo> mdz: giving back
[11:45] <mdz> thanks
[11:45] <elmo> seb128: AFAICR all the removals were done at dholbach's request
[11:46] <seb128> elmo: k, I'll poke Daniel about this, thanks
[11:46] <seb128> I don't really get the point to drop stuff than Debian still ships, but whatever
[11:47] <HiddenWolf> seb128, sounds like extra work to me...
[11:47] <elmo> seb128: there weren't that many apart from a huge amount of kernel stuff
[11:48] <seb128> k
[11:48] <estragon> mdz, i have to leave, tanks for the help
[11:48] <elmo> seb128: http://people.ubuntu.com/~james/paste/removals.txt, grep for MOTU
[11:49] <seb128> right, there is not a lot
[11:49] <seb128> thanks elmo 
[11:50] <jbailey> initramfs boots my raid1 system still with the changes, anyway.  /me uploads
[11:52] <Mithrandir> jbailey: how can I test initramfs now?
[11:57] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Right now we can cover booting from a harddisk, nfs or a raid1 hd setup.  No lvm/evms/or cryptroot yet.  Do you still qualify? =)
[11:59] <Mithrandir> jbailey: yes
[11:59] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Excellent!!!
[11:59] <jbailey> (I've always wanted to be the lynx browser)
[11:59] <Mithrandir> jbailey: /home is on evms, but that shouldn't matter, I guess.
[11:59] <jbailey> Nope, that'll be all after you're booting.
[11:59] <jbailey> Mithrandir: The first bit is to install initramfs-tools.
[12:00] <jbailey> Mithrandir: You'll then need to edit some config files.
[12:00] <jbailey> Mithrandir: /etc/mkinitramfs/modules needs to contain a list of everything you need for booting right now.  There's no hw autodetection yet.
[12:01] <Mithrandir> just got to pull down about 60MB of random updates first.
[12:01] <jbailey> Mithrandir: And /etc/mkinitramfs/initramfs.conf needs to have busybox set to yes.