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[12:41] i dont see the mono one on the wiki in the obvious place === dieman [~dieman@3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mxpxpod [~BryanForb@mxpxpod.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] thom: ping [12:50] mxpxpod: you always manage to ping when i'm either asleep or going to bed :-) [12:50] thom: hah [12:50] thom: just wondering how gnome-power is coming along on breezy [12:50] thom: because the latest release of pbbuttonsd sucks hard [12:50] mxpxpod: -> ogra [12:50] thom: is he taking care of pm now? [12:51] https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MainInclusionReportGtkSharp [12:51] is this acceptable? [12:51] he is doing the ui based stuffs, yes [12:51] thom: oh, I'm talking about backend stuff [12:51] gnome-power == ui [12:51] fundamentally [12:52] thom: right, I mis-spoke... I meant pmi [12:52] i'm not involved in that at all [12:52] stink [12:52] mxpxpod: you want to speak to ogra. really [12:52] and he's not around... ok [12:53] I'll have to email him or catch him on irc === ska-fan [~ska-fan@dsl-084-059-066-121.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [~tritium@12-208-96-155.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:31] thom: you around? === bskahan [~bskahan@pool-70-19-98-138.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === scorpix [~scorpix@as8-108.qualitynet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === IorGie [~bert@asgard.adsl.utwente.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub sends hugs to jordi [01:55] "Recently former founder of Gentoo Linux, Daniel Robbins, has managed to procure employment with Microsoft. Robbins describes his position as "helping Microsoft to understand Open Source and community-based projects." [01:55] elite! [01:56] cool [01:57] jdub, I have a question with the bounties on the Ubuntu wiki. [01:57] jdub, he's in #ubuntu right now [01:57] when it says People: MichaelVogtLead, JeffWaughSecond what's that mean? [01:59] jdub: bah...traitor :) [01:59] jdub: sounds good, but he's still the founder, he's not the 'former founder' :) [02:03] jdub, he's in #ubuntu right now chatting [02:05] wm_eddie_: it's a funny way of making it easy to search for the people responsible for a spec [02:05] wm_eddie_: those are the people who wrote the spec [02:05] oh ok. [02:05] I've been messing with the FindingPackages bounty. [02:06] anyone got a list of the source packages in main? or a trivial way to make one ? [02:06] tritium: weird [02:06] I'm going to apply for it. [02:10] lovely..#ubuntu has changed into #gentoo-love [02:10] he [02:10] h [02:11] lifeless: zcat Sources.gz | awk '/Package:/ {print $2}' [02:12] lifeless: alternatively, the germinate output includes all of them... [02:12] thanks === lakin [~lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:17] lifeless: sorry I didn't have a list handy. :-( === lamont__ heads for home === jarjar_must_die [~CoreTex@adsl-69-110-3-233.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === IorGie [~bert@asgard.adsl.utwente.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ik] [02:30] gnome upstream people, any thoughts on this? --> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41530 [02:32] .o0(and I thought, only Mozilla patches get old before somebody finds them) === blahrus [uswvp@12-223-50-121.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bskahan [~bskahan@pool-70-19-98-138.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === magnon [~magnon@magnon.photogeeks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [~tritium@12-208-96-155.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === stub [~stub@203-217-37-199.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SloMo [~slomo@p5487F5E6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:10] In file included from t_main.c:18: [03:10] /usr/include/tcl8.4/tk.h:96:23: error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory [03:11] hrm... tk8.4, or puredata... wonder who's to blame [03:12] lamont: that happens to several packages, daniels swears its NOTOURBUG [03:13] tseng: no. it's NOTANXBUG [03:13] hah. [03:13] er, NOT_AN_X_BUG, not NO_TANX_BUG :-) [03:13] and to be fair, the apps that are failing are in violation of a 10-year-old spec [03:14] ill have to get a proper fix from him [03:14] in beagle we added the gross CFLAGS="-I/blah" hack [03:14] in configure.in [03:16] well, in this case, it's probably tk8.4 not including -I/usr/X11R6/include in the flags to pkgconfig, or possibly puredata not asking for the list === jarjar_must_die [~CoreTex@adsl-69-110-3-233.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === lamont has 125 failures in his mailbox that match: 'X11.*No such file' in the body [03:17] gross :( [03:23] how dare thom be asleep now. :-( [03:30] oh wow [03:30] tk comes up again ;) [03:30] tseng: so did we get that 8.3 config.sh fix backported ? [03:31] lifeless: i had nothing to do with anything tk besides giving daniels a hard time [03:31] uhm, must have been infinity I was talking with a week or so back, about the broken gnu-smalltalk build [03:32] because /usr/lib/tk8.3/tkConfig.sh exported a CFLAGS value of "# no special flags needed" [03:32] which is so NOT WHAT YOU GIVE gcc. === dmb [~dmb@ool-4573a3b0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker [~srbaker@S0106001217ad6427.pk.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker__ [~srbaker@S0106001217ad6427.pk.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:40] lifeless: haha === srbaker__ is now known as srbaker [03:44] lifeless : You just can't let it go, can you? :) === AndyFitz [~andy@CPE-144-131-192-119.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@CPE-144-131-192-119.qld.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:50] mdz: not yet, but I could make it so [04:05] I wonder how it went missing === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:14] do the ati xpress 200m based laptops work with xorg? [04:14] or ati's binary driver? [04:14] i'm helping my supervisor find a replacement laptop for his old p3 system [04:15] infinity: no, I can't, I want that fixed in hoary ;) [04:15] infinity: mmmm, reminds me, did the fix bubble through to sarge in time ? [04:15] bestbuy seems to have a pretty good one for $900 athlon64 3200, 80gb, 512mb, dvd-rw, 54g, etc [04:16] wth [04:16] wonder if they ship internationally [04:16] wtf thats a nice price [04:16] $900 is nothing [04:16] theyre $2k aud here === wasabi [~wasabi@c-67-174-81-195.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:17] I hopethe dollar stays low until I'm buying my new lappy ;) [04:17] x200 doesn't quite justify the a64 though [04:20] Man, that feature freeze date is not cool... [04:21] yea ati 200 integrated is probably slow === chris38-home [~Christian@LNeuilly-152-22-2-96.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === drbyte [~byte@freedesktop.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:23] http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7125327&type=product&id=1109937811956 <- url [04:24] the apples on that site are dead cheap :O [04:25] " Built-in 54g high-speed wireless LAN with 125HSM/ SpeedBooster support (802.11b/g); 10/100Base-T Ethernet (RJ-45 connector)" [04:25] lots of text and no info :> [04:26] I wonder if they would ship without the microsoft suite [04:27] hey, is it me, or are the faqs broken? [04:28] apples cheap? where? [04:29] lifeless : Didn't I make that fix like 3 days before Sarge released? (in other words, no the fix isn't in sarge) [04:29] calc: the ibooks are actually very, very competitive with similarly-specced x86 laptops (arguably slightly cheaper) [04:30] esp at edu prices [04:30] in terms of value for money, they are cheaper [04:30] infinity: yeah, somethink like that ;| [04:31] the ibooks price is sweet [04:31] right. a slow, shoddily-constructed dell, or a slowish, reasonably-well-constructed, ibook. [04:31] the ibooks have had their issues [04:31] daniels: bah. samsung q30, makes them all envious [04:31] back in the g3 era theyhad countless issues with dying logic boards [04:31] Lathiat: true [04:31] lifeless: not in terms of price [04:32] daniels: weight wise i suppose that is true [04:32] i know at least 5-10 ibook owners, and everyoneof them except 1 has had at least 1 ifnot 5 logic board replacements,includinga couple g4s [04:32] daniels: true. it jumped 400 after I bought it ;) [04:32] daniels: though on the pc side you can trade weight for much faster systems [04:32] daniels: btw, the q30 is /not slow/ [04:33] its faster than desktops in many ways, just don't mention the video card [04:36] lifeless: what kind of battery time do you get in the q30? [04:37] 2 hours on the 3-cell, 4 on the 6-cell [04:37] 6 total, doing pretty much anything. haven't seen any difference doing lp development / baz/ email etc [04:38] maswan: (note that I have a dell X1, which is a q30 + bluetooth) === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:39] i get 5.5h out of my dell [04:39] if i push it [04:39] 3-4 average [04:39] 15.4" p-m 2ghz with an nvidia [04:40] Lathiat: how many K is your battery ? [04:40] 5.5 is with wireless too [04:40] lifeless: ~75 [04:40] design capacity: 71590 mWh [04:40] design capacity: 4800 mAh [04:40] thats the 6-cell [04:41] whats your voltage? [04:41] mine wouldbe ~6500mAh [04:41] design voltage: 11100 mV [04:41] minesan 8 celli think [04:41] yeh same voltageasmine [04:42] and 4800*(8/6)is6400 [04:42] I don't have a mWh rating [04:42] so tahts about right [04:42] lifeless: ~54000 === wasabi [~wasabi@c-67-174-81-195.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont__ [~lamont@rover3.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:58] man, I'm really confused about the Spec... === csj [~csj@218-164-173-81.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === csj [~csj@218-164-173-81.dynamic.hinet.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [""] === lamont looks around for anyone who actually understands ssl certs [05:25] lamont: thom :) [05:25] daniels: yeah, I know that. [05:25] but I don't want to wait 6 hours. [05:26] you should call him! [05:27] daniels: how soon can you land the xserver-xorg.config changes for LTSP/casper? === lamont gets racoon auth working, through the simple technique of saying 'verify_cert off;' :-( [05:27] so, I know that much works... now I just gotta make it like the CA cert [05:27] mdz: with the next upload, which is either today or tomorrow; whenever it is that I unbreak locales in libX11 [05:28] ok [05:28] mdz: but if it's urgent, I can just drop it now and screw everyone who C isn't an appropriate locale for :) [05:28] no, I can keep busy with UbuntuExpress for a few more days [05:28] swoit === lakin [~lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont does the happy dance [05:31] and no, I don't want to explain what it was [05:31] lamont: but you'll have to, now that you've said that [05:32] well, it said it wanted the ca_cert... that needs to be ROOT and sub-CA cert, it turns out... :-) [05:34] heh [05:37] oh my christ, this grep bug really *is* bad [05:37] (he says, grepping over 181 files with an 887-line exclude pattern) === Amaranth [Amaranth@AC957D90.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:43] daniels: what'd you do now??? [05:44] lamont: there's a bug in grep with UTF-8 locales where it takes an exhorbitant amount of time to grep files [05:46] ouch [05:46] lamont: there's a bug in grep with UTF-8 locales where it takes an exhorbitant amount of time to grep files [05:46] oops, wrong window for up-enter === lamont discovers that neither AH nor ESP packets in transport mode cause the unencapsulated packet to go through either INPUT or OUTPUT chains... hrmpf [05:47] daniels: fedora has a fix for this [05:47] Amaranth: so do I, it's called LC_ALL=C [05:47] daniels: It's been sitting in the bugzilla or whatever for grep since march, iirc. [05:47] daniels: some people grep non-english things [05:48] yeah, well none of the filenames installed by xorg are !ASCII, so I'm sweet === astro76 [~james@astro76.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:19] morning === AndyFitz [~andy@CPE-144-131-192-119.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phloem [~oak@pool-71-109-216-80.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@CPE-144-131-192-119.qld.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Keybuk [~scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:28] daniels: do we have any problems with intel 915GM Express video chipsets? [06:28] jdub: laptop, no. desktop, some (which can be fixed by XORG_SYNC_RANGES=yes sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg, and will be fixed in a hoary update and breezy update) [06:29] ok, ta [06:38] wtf [06:38] qt4 can have images in text boxes? [06:38] Amaranth: yeah, sounds about right [06:38] sounds like crack :) [06:39] Amaranth: probably using the QRichText equivalent (hopefully they rewrote its layout engine though) [06:39] a text widget that does images and tables, whee [06:39] rich text widget [06:39] i certainly hope it isn't the regular text widget [06:40] probably has a mode for selecting rich or plaintext [06:41] yep, looks like it [06:41] http://doc.trolltech.com/4.0/qtextedit.html [06:41] maybe they can use it to replace khtml [06:41] ha [06:41] khtml is actually pretty cool [06:42] it's the best lightweight free renderer === drbyte [~byte@byte.fedora] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker [~srbaker@S0106001217ad6427.pk.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === scorpix [~scorpix@as8-108.qualitynet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dieman [~dieman@3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rcliii [~rcliii@cpe-65-26-158-102.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KaiL [KaiL@p548F7D02.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tarjeih [~tarjeih@mail2.bergfald.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdf1 [~mark@host217-37-231-22.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lu|away [~louie@c-66-31-46-131.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tseng [~tseng@tseng2.ath.cx] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt__ [~mpt@203-167-186-66.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === allee [~ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thom [~thom@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kafeine [~kori@212.39.73.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bradb|away [~bradb@modemcable082.64-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yvonne [~fsck@cn-sdm-cr02-0077.dial.kabelfoon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === susus_ [~sz@p5089D69E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jordi [~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === schweeb [~chris@209.120.232.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nafallo [nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dilinger [dilinger@mouth.voxel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbeattie [~mbeattie@ool-4355f1f7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chris38 [~bayle@192.44.60.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kent [~kent@c-bdc871d5.432-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zomb [~eb@131.246.89.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [~zyga@82.210.160.87] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crimsun [~crimsun@crimsun.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === justin [~justin@169.226.52.26] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bronson [~bronson@64.36.8.82] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kaloz [kaloz@217.27.212.53] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chol [chol@y.olaglig.nu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sjoerd [sjoerd@fire.ipv6.luon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TerminX [~terminx@terminx.envision7.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === boglot [chaas@gw.workaround.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [~mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === julien [julien@feng.planet-work.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:11] Good Morning [07:32] what's so good about it? :) === scorpix_ [~scorpix@as17-187.qualitynet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:35] Keybuk: it's still early, all of my flat mates and my gf are still sleeping, and finally the summer seems to have arrived :-) [07:37] heh [07:39] Keybuk: btw, yay for the new dpkg features [07:39] which ones did you like? [07:40] Keybuk: in particular the direct support for separate patches [07:41] I liked that you fixed my bug [07:41] still need to get dpkg-source -b (or equivalent) support into each [07:41] Keybuk: I came across so many different (and so many broken) patch systems that I really hope that this will unify packaging [07:42] i liked the ones that broke everyone's bulids [07:42] hehe [07:42] daniels: he warned us :-) === psychicdragon [~david@d209-121-230-70.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:46] Well, so much for waffling. I just ordered my new T43. [07:46] I can actually hear my bank account screaming from here. [07:46] infinity: it's screaming for an X40 [07:46] Pff. [07:46] You and your crazy cult. [07:46] infinity: one of us ... one of us ... one of us ... === daniels wonders why GOP is on the first page of hits for "one of us". [07:47] If they're putting Lenovo logos on these instead of IBM logos, I'm going to be miffed. [07:48] hm [07:48] that would be significantly less leet === Echylo [~echylo@192-173.245.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:50] ah, Grand Old Party === syndicate [~forgue@anthracite.aca.oakland.edu] has joined #Ubuntu-Devel === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:07] anyone knows the story about the us ubuntu mirror problems? I see at least 7 bug reports open in the bugzilla about md5sum mismatch due to that mirror. Obviously it's affecting quite a few users. === daniels wanders off to pick his little sister up. [08:10] infinity: they've changed the Thinkpad TV adverts here now [08:10] they seem to be just advertising "Thinkpad" as a branch (with a tiny "Product of Lenovo" comment) [08:10] so I guess they'll replace the IBM logo with a Thinkpad loogo [08:11] robitaille: the mirror's screwed [08:12] the admins have been notified [08:12] etc [08:13] uh s/branch/brand/, heh === Echylo [~echylo@192-173.245.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === opi [~emil@nat0.mnc.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === syndicate [~forgue@anthracite.aca.oakland.edu] has joined #Ubuntu-Devel === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:47] Keybuk: yeah, we're getting the THINKPAD (product of lenovo) thing too [08:56] yay! === Nafallo just posted his first blog! http://www.livejournal.com/~nafallo/ :-) [08:57] morning all btw! :-) [08:58] hey naf [09:00] Hrm, that talk of caffiened reminds me that if I want to get any work done this evening, I should go buy a bottle or three of Coke. [09:01] infinity: hehe, pills are quicker :-) [09:01] Less tasty. === Treenaks votes for the iv [09:02] indeed :-). [09:03] hmm, are there any info on what goes on p.u.c? I might aswell try to get it syndicated there :-). [09:05] infinity: bring me some iced tea [09:05] the blog is probably going to be rather ubuntu-centric :-). [09:06] but then again... seems I have to be a member, and I can't be that before 22:th of July anyway ;-). [09:07] well now, shower.. later all :-). === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Danten [~danten@h74n7c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:31] heh [09:31] dilinger: nice debian-devel post === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chmj [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dand [~dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [~Simira@140.80-202-212.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.151] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] hm, is it true that "eric" is obsolete and "eric3" supersedes it? === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] pitti: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=2739&action=view [10:27] pitti: do you have any idea what hald is trying to do? [10:27] (11824) [10:27] fabbione: gulp [10:29] i blame binary modules.. [10:29] but he claims he can't remove the nvidia [10:29] that i somehow exclude given that it was working with the old kernel [10:29] but the vmware modules are way more intrusive [10:29] and they might infact exploit the mm fix we introduced [10:30] in order to work properly [10:30] fabbione: that's a security update, and not even an ABI changing one... [10:30] pitti: exactly [10:30] fabbione: ah, the "start > end" mmap fix? [10:30] pitti: probably [10:30] there really is a valid use case for that? tsk [10:31] fabbione: vmware needs kernel modules? [10:31] pitti: yes it does to emulate the hardware to the client [10:32] it seems as if the guy is doomed... [10:32] fabbione: however, it doesn't seem to be hal specifi [10:32] c [10:32] pitti: it is clearly not hald related :) === sabdfl [~mark@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:33] similar to the way kqemu speeds up qemu orders of magnitude [10:33] fabbione: it seems that hal crashed while trying to read sysfs [10:33] hey sabdfl [10:33] Hi sabdfl [10:33] mornin' [10:33] pitti: that shouldn't cause a schedule in atomic [10:34] pitti: an error of that kind shows up when you access a portion of the memory allocated as G_ATOMIC and request an irq to be scheduled [10:34] pitti: it's easy to fix.. if i can get to know what is causing it [10:34] s/G// [10:34] fabbione: hm, we need a hal backtrace for that to find out the original call [10:35] pitti: i am still 100% sure it's a vmware fault... === Simira [~Simira@140.80-202-212.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] i mean everybody is running hald out there [10:35] we would have noticed it way before that [10:35] fabbione: well, I can look for all poll() calls, but there are certainly a few [10:36] yes, and many people run the new hoary kernel [10:36] exactly [10:36] he should try without vmware first IMHO [10:36] pitti: i did ask for that [10:37] yes, he didn't reply to that === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-24-50.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:40] Hi seb128, what's up? [10:40] hey pitti [10:41] not a lot of new, got a sort of flue ... not my day [10:41] and you? [10:41] pretty fine, doing some python again (langpack-o-matic) :-) [10:41] s/flue/flue/ [10:41] ups [10:41] s/e// [10:42] not really your day :-) [10:42] see :p [10:42] seb128: then don't work for > 12 hours today [10:42] I've not planned to :) === hsprang [~henning@c174081.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:42] hi folks [10:42] (I already took some extra sleep this morning) [10:43] pitti: have you found why gnome-panel has no translations with the new language-packs? [10:43] seb128: I stared at the logs, code, and tried to reproduce that without success [10:43] is there some issue with http://packages.ubuntu.com? I see some packages in breezy are newer than in on p.u.c [10:43] seb128: I uploaded a version with more debugging output yesterday [10:43] k [10:44] seb128: as soon as the next package has that symptom, I hope to learn more from the logs [10:44] should I upload a new panel? [10:45] seb128: if you have some fixes? new uploads have a high chance of good translation tarballs, and with the new cdbs we will get a POT anyway [10:45] seb128: the problem only occurs if we have neither a pot nor stripped mo files [10:46] k === robtaylor_ [~robtaylor@dyn2.sesnet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [~ozamosi@80.252.185.147] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:54] morning all [10:59] Hi sivang [11:01] sabdfl: Oh, you're doing a talk in Cambridge? [11:02] Enjoy the management students :) [11:02] mjg59: http://www.lugradio.org/live/2005/ [11:03] Treenaks: No, not that one [11:03] (That's in Wolverhampton, which is a far more miserable place) [11:06] mjg59: yes, it's almost impossible to get there [11:07] feature, not a bug? [11:08] bob2: good point === zeedo [~zeedo@www.reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:16] pitti: hey martin === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-24-50.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === {Seb} [~seb@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:20] <{Seb}> seb128: sorry about the bug [11:20] which one? [11:20] <{Seb}> seb128: the one i filled today about the Run Application... [11:21] <{Seb}> seb128: it would make sense to have it in the System menu [11:21] <{Seb}> seb128: after reading the GNOME Bugzilla [11:21] there is a discussion about that on the -desktop list IIRC [11:21] I'll ask upstream [11:21] <{Seb}> right [11:22] but is that really useful? You have alt-F2 [11:22] <{Seb}> i should really get more involved with gnome/ubuntu ;-) === qingl [~qingl@59.191.50.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:22] <{Seb}> i have just started to use Alt-F2 [11:22] <{Seb}> but my Mum uses Ubuntu Hoary on her laptop [11:22] <{Seb}> then when she uses my machine with Breezy, she goes and find it ain't there! [11:22] <{Seb}> just have to get used to it [11:23] right, changing existant feature is not nice [11:23] <{Seb}> btw, i am getting a few Segmentation Faults on Breezy [11:23] <{Seb}> gFTP and Synaptic both produce them [11:23] <{Seb}> while running [11:24] <{Seb}> is there any way of debugging them [11:25] <{Seb}> because if i run them from terminal, it just says 'Segmentation Fault' [11:25] gdm [11:25] ups [11:25] gdb [11:25] <{Seb}> what? [11:25] gdb gftp [11:25] <{Seb}> right [11:25] (gdb) run [11:25] {Seb}: if you can reproduce them run gdb (as seb said) [11:25] ... crash [11:25] (gdb) bt [11:25] <{Seb}> lol, i'll give it a go [11:25] what's funy? [11:25] {Seb}: can you reproduce the synaptic segfaults? what distro? breezy? hoary? [11:25] hey mvo :) [11:25] <{Seb}> breezy [11:25] hey seb128 [11:26] <{Seb}> just mbo said seb and i'm also called seb! [11:26] <{Seb}> doesn't matter ;-) [11:27] <{Seb}> when i run 'gdb gftp' i get this error: [11:27] <{Seb}> "/usr/bin/gftp": not in executable format: File format not recognized [11:27] gdb gftp-gtk [11:27] <{Seb}> k === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:29] <{Seb}> sorry, but it still won't work [11:30] <{Seb}> i ran gdb gftp-gtk [11:30] <{Seb}> and then ran 'run' from the (gdb) prompt [11:30] <{Seb}> and it is trying to connect to a site called gftp-gtk [11:32] ?? [11:33] <{Seb}> i'll try synaptic === alerim [~alerim@voltaire-101-1-31.net1.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:42] I'm currently reviewing tla-load-dirs, a package from universe, automatically merged by mom. [11:42] what is your opinion, should the maintainer in the merged changlog from MOM be changed from scott to the reviewer? === koke_ [~koke@155.210.13.152] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HcE [egtvedt@egtvedt.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HcE [egtvedt@egtvedt.no] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === hsprang [~henning@d052012.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bskahan [~bskahan@pool-70-19-28-48.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Loevborg [foobar@d36-75.dip.isp-service.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:14] siretart: most people leave it as scott if they make no changes [12:16] Which no doubt gives Scott many giggles. [12:17] siretart : I always change it to my name purely to provide a simple audit trail, so fellow developers can smack me around for having not merged correctly or ask me why I let change A or B in, or whatever. [12:19] infinity: sounds reasonable. will follow that [12:27] bye bye [12:38] siretart : Looking for a name in the changelog is much simpler than finding the .changes on the list and checking the GPG sig to see who uploaded, basically. === doko_ [~doko___@dsl-084-059-033-037.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:39] is hct supposed to work atm? === bskahan [~bskahan@pool-70-19-28-48.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] seb128: well, for some hoary packages it does === {Seb1 [~seb@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:44] pitti: hum, I get "The exception had the value: (111, 'Connection refused')" when I try to source something [12:44] mjg59: i'm considering giving them a walkthrough of the component architecture in zope3 as used by Launchpad [12:44] seb128: hm, right, I get the same [12:45] seb128: IIRC the lunchpad guys do some new rollout ATM [12:45] pitti: k, so that's not me (not me day :p) [12:45] s/me/my/ [12:45] <{Seb1> btw, when is there a version freeze on breezy? [12:45] you can find the schedule on the wiki [12:45] sabdfl: At JIMS? Haha [12:45] <{Seb1> thanks [12:46] mjg59: those bus students deserve a little rollercoaster ride :-) [12:46] pitti: I take care of ethereal. tseng informed me about what to do with it :-). [12:46] It's in the middle of May Week, so your chances of finding sober students are... slim [12:46] hmm... maybe i should read Mithrandir's paper on bi-arch and present that instead [12:46] May Week is in June? [12:47] Yes [12:47] <{Seb1> btw, is smeg going to be the offical menu editor in breezy? [12:47] pitti: any news on that cryptsetup bug I found? [12:47] (It used to be in May, but then got moved to after exams) [12:47] mjg59: I love your blog! :-) [12:47] Nafallo: no, sorry, no time yet... [12:48] pitti: oki. no rush. [12:48] <{Seb1> sorry to be a bother [12:49] <{Seb1> irrc, hoary had like Array-1 to Array-7 [12:49] <{Seb1> will this happen with Breezy [12:49] <{Seb1> or are they called Collony-1 [12:49] <{Seb1> etc... [12:49] Yes. [12:49] mjg59: btw, suspend hates me. hibernate works with lan and wlan in MODULES="" @ Targa Visionary 811 [12:49] <{Seb1> Yes? [12:49] {Seb1 : Yes, they're called "Colony-X". [12:50] <{Seb1> instead of Array? [12:50] yes [12:50] <{Seb1> got it [12:50] Nafallo: Could you file a bug, including the output of lsmod? [12:50] <{Seb1> just out of interest, when will Colony 2 come along? [12:50] <{Seb1> breezy is looking very very good [12:50] <{Seb1> it is usable now imho! [12:51] {Seb1: did you manage to produce a backtrace from your synaptic crash? [12:51] <{Seb1> nope, i couldn't get it to go it! [12:51] {Seb1: all that informations are on the wiki [12:51] <{Seb1> sods law ain't it [12:51] mjg59: or rather suspend works, but doesn't turn on the backlight on the screen. I should probably try to ping the damn thing to see if it's alive :-). [12:51] mjg59: sure. against acpi-support? [12:51] <{Seb1> seb128: i'm looking http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreezyBadger and can't stuff like that [12:52] Nafallo: Sure [12:52] <{Seb1> glad mono is now in main [12:52] {Seb1: We'll see how long that lasts... [12:52] <{Seb1> why? i thought mono was there for sure [12:52] <{Seb1> as Beagle is going to be an essential part of Breezy [12:53] There are patent issues. It's not clear how MS is going to deal with them. [12:53] <{Seb1> i thought miguel sorted that one out a while ago [12:53] No, Miguel said that they had to be licensed under RAND terms [12:54] Which MS are free to charge money for [12:54] mjg, last time I spoke to a MS man concerned with those issues he tried to push the fud onto novells hands [12:54] <{Seb1> right [12:54] Now, it's entirely possible that MS will grant a free patent license. But they haven't publically committed to that. [12:54] And it's probably going to take some community pressure to get any sort of statement of intent out of them [12:55] <{Seb1> it seems kind of wrong that a free project is asking MS for a favour [12:56] They own the patents... [12:56] The alternative is to get software patents overturned in the US [12:57] <{Seb1> how do you mean 'overturned'? [12:57] The idea that software should be patentable [12:57] It's not universal [12:58] <{Seb1> now, in europe, software is not allowed to be patentable yet? [12:58] <{Seb1> but it could be soon [12:58] Correct [12:58] <{Seb1> btw, does the French and Dutch vote of No have any consequences on this [12:59] <{Seb1> i'm in the UK [01:00] Nope [01:00] It's independent of the EU constitution [01:00] <{Seb1> right [01:00] (Other than that they now have other things to worry about, so patents may be on hold for a short while) [01:00] mjg59: bug# 11832 [01:00] <{Seb1> mjh59: that's the spirit [01:01] Nafallo: Can you add lsmod? [01:01] <{Seb1> mjh59: does this mean the foss will be limited if patients come into force in europe? [01:01] mjg59: sure [01:01] {Seb1: It could do. The long term consequences aren't clear. [01:02] <{Seb1> these bureaucrats! [01:02] Nafallo: Hmm. You shouldn't need to rmmod and modprobe by hand. They ought to be automatically picked up. [01:02] I'll look into that [01:03] mjg59: /etc/default/acpi-support as well? :-) [01:03] Please [01:04] mjg59: done :-) [01:04] Ta === ogra [~ogra@p5089D69E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] ey ogra! :-) how's life? [01:05] hey ogra , 'sup? [01:05] moin ogra [01:05] <{Seb1> weird! [01:05] hi all :) [01:05] <{Seb1> has anyone used sound juicer successfully on breezy? [01:05] <{Seb1> hey ogra [01:05] <{Seb1> it seems to be putting a whole cd into one track [01:06] {Seb1: please file a bug about this, or look whether there already is one :-) [01:06] <{Seb1> gnome or ubuntu bugzilla? [01:07] {Seb1: thats a know gstreamer issue i think [01:07] someone mentioned it earlier [01:07] <{Seb1> i've installed grip [01:07] <{Seb1> and see if that is any better [01:08] wellthat doesnt use gstreamer [01:08] soassumedly it should work [01:08] <{Seb1> yeh it is [01:10] no its not n [01:10] how does gnome-volume-manager get started? [01:10] Riddell: gnome-session assumedly [01:10] <{Seb1> by gnome-session? [01:11] is that a shell script? [01:11] <{Seb1> think it could be hard-coded in [01:11]