 Do I want the amd64-generic or amd64-k8 kernel stuff?
[12:08] <tseng> Nafallo: ^
[12:08] <Nafallo> k8 if he runs on k8 :-)
[12:08] <tseng> whats that mean
[12:08] <tseng> k8 = opteron?
[12:08] <Nafallo> tseng: Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]  K8 NorthBridge
[12:09] <Nafallo> I could have just said chipsets :-)
[12:11] <Nafallo> dunno what differs though.
[12:11] <tseng> is that in lspic or something?
[12:11] <tseng> pci
[12:11] <Nafallo> lspci yes :-)
[12:27] <tseng> where was the spec on moving packages to main?
[12:29] <Nafallo> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/Mono ?
[12:29] <tseng> no
[12:29] <tseng> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements
[12:29] <tseng> beagle knows all
[01:09] <Mez> yeah dooglus :d that would be cause I fiexed it :d
[02:11] <tseng> zul: kickban for great justice
[02:11] <zul> tseng: hehe
[02:14] <crimsun> if anyone needs a key signed, I'll be in Chicago, IL, this Wednesday (6/15) from 4p - 7p and in Rochester, NY, the following day (6/16)
[02:16] <tritium> Hey crimsun.  You'll only be 2 hours away.
[02:17] <crimsun> hey tritium
[02:17] <crimsun> yep, it's an amtrak layover
[02:17] <tritium> Ah, I see...
[02:18] <crimsun> how're things?
[02:18] <tritium> Moving along.  You?
[02:19] <crimsun> same, working 40 straight hours so I can take the rest of the week off
[02:19] <tritium> crimsun, drobbins (of gentoo fame) is in #ubuntu chatting.  He's taken a position with Microsoft.
[02:19] <crimsun> tritium: ah, cool
[02:19] <tritium> Wow, that's a marathon
[02:21] <tritium> crimsun, is your business unit affected by the recent Apple decision?
[02:21] <crimsun> nope
[02:22] <tritium> That's good.
[02:22] <crimsun> well, I suppose I need to qualify that answer
[02:23] <crimsun> I work for STG (systems & technology group), so yeah, this group as a whole was adversely affected, but my particular first-line group is separate from the microprocessor group
[02:23] <tritium> Ah, okay.
[02:24] <crimsun> to put things in scope: the ppc->intel fallout is much less an issue than either bluegene/l or the video game consoles
[02:25] <|QuaD-> anyone feel like packaging: http://browserbookapp.sourceforge.net/deskbar.html
[02:26] <tritium> crimsun, ah...
[02:51] <tritium> Good night :)
[02:55] <Nafallo> good night!
[03:12] <lamont> brutefir needs gcc-4.0 love
[03:12] <lamont> and clanlib needs xorg love
[03:15] <eruin> anyone here know what's up with mplayer? ;)
[03:15] <eruin> it smells very uninstallable
[03:18] <crimsun> it works fine
[03:18] <crimsun> you need to pass an explicit version to aptitude/apt-get
[03:19] <crimsun> and you can only use the testing debian-marillat repo if you use hoary
[03:19] <crimsun> (or if you love apt-pinning)
[03:20] <eruin> bleh. that explains it
[03:20] <eruin> I think I'm using unstable
[03:20] <eruin> cheers ;)
[03:20] <crimsun> you still need to pass the version
[03:20] <eruin> which?
[03:20] <crimsun> look at the full version string from apt-cache policy mplayer-arch
[03:21] <eruin> 1:1.0-pre7-0.0
[03:21] <eruin> that's the candidate
[03:21] <crimsun> you don't have multiverse enabled.
[03:21] <eruin> it also lists 1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[03:22] <eruin> from multiverse
[03:22] <crimsun> sudo aptitude install mplayer-586=1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[03:23] <eruin> hmm
[03:23] <eruin> I must already have some marillat packages pulled in
[03:24] <eruin> I need libxvidcore4 which wants a more recent libc6 than I have/can get ;)
[03:28] <crimsun> you're not using testing, remember?
[03:28] <crimsun> you have unstable
[03:33] <eruin> I've switched to testing
[03:33] <eruin> but I fear the damage is already done
[04:00] <crimsun> eruin: then you need to downgrade/uninstall the packages from debian-marillat's unstable
[04:03] <eruin> is there a simple way to do that?
[04:04] <crimsun> needs a bit of awk magic and grep
[04:04] <eruin> I get sweat heats just by seeing 'awk'
[04:25] <|QuaD-> anyone feel like packaging an app now?
[08:12] <DanielN_PD> morning
[08:12] <DanielN_PD> |QuaD- : exacter please :)
[10:37] <DanielN_PD> hi ivoks
[10:37] <ivoks> hi all
[10:38] <siretart> hi folks!
[10:38] <ivoks> hi siretart
[10:39] <siretart> huhu ivoks
[10:39] <DanielN_PD> erm
[10:39] <DanielN_PD> i have a question
[10:39] <ivoks> fake MOTU ivoks :)
[10:40] <siretart> does anybody know if there is a problem with packages.ubuntu.com?
[10:40] <ivoks> so, TB is at 20:00 UTC
[10:40] <DanielN_PD> if i had to write a patch to upstream source (talking about transition libs), should i provide the patch _and_ the debdiff to the bugreport?
[10:40] <siretart> some packages seem to be out of date there. whats going on there?
[10:40] <ivoks> DanielN_PD: debdiff should contain changes
[10:41] <ivoks> DanielN_PD: and you should send patch to upstream
[10:41] <DanielN_PD> ivoks: yeah, but there isn't included the other patch in debian/patches
[10:41] <DanielN_PD> in the debdiff
[10:41] <ivoks> ?
[10:41] <siretart> DanielN_PD: I think that upstream should be able to extract the relevant changes of your debdiff
[10:41] <DanielN_PD> siretart: no, it's impossible to detect in the debdiff, that there's another patch
[10:42] <ivoks> ?!
[10:42] <siretart> huh? how comes?
[10:42] <DanielN_PD> don't know
[10:42] <ivoks> then you did something wrong
[10:42] <DanielN_PD> mhm
[10:42] <ivoks> your debdiff should contain ALL changes beetwen inital source of package, and source of package you created
[10:43] <DanielN_PD> yeah, i debdiffed between the version now in breezy and my patched one
[10:43] <ivoks> if you included any patch in debian/patches
[10:43] <ivoks> then that patch should be visible in debdiff too
[10:43] <DanielN_PD> between the .dsc files
[10:44] <ivoks> right
[10:44] <ivoks> and it contains everything you added/removed
[10:44] <DanielN_PD> no it doesn't :/
[10:44] <ivoks> siretart: if it pulls package list from us.archive, then it is outdated
[10:45] <DanielN_PD> and the patch is ok, if i build it, the patch is being added
[10:45] <DanielN_PD> applied
[10:45] <ivoks> DanielN_PD: then it contains your patch
[10:45] <DanielN_PD> hrmpf
[10:45] <DanielN_PD> wait, i'll provide the debdiff now
[10:45] <ivoks> put that debdiff somewhere
[10:46] <siretart> ivoks: hm. that could be an explanation..
[10:50] <DanielN_> ree
[10:50] <DanielN_> ivoks: you're right, it contains the patch
[10:50] <DanielN_> i don't know
[10:50] <DanielN_> what i saw yesterday night, i think it was too late already
[10:51] <ivoks> khm...
[10:51] <DanielN_> :)
[10:51] <DanielN_> was my fault
[10:51] <ivoks> "Companies like Progeny, Linspire, and Ubuntu..."
[10:51] <ivoks> khm...
[10:52] <DanielN_> erm
[10:52] <ivoks> that ian...
[10:52] <DanielN_> but who is upstream maintainer??
[11:02] <siretart> does anybody know what happened to the backports team? I haven't heard anything from them quite a long time
[11:10] <\sh> siretart: me neither
[11:16] <siretart> hi \sh
[11:16] <siretart> \sh: I wanted to take a look at darcs-buildpackage, unfortunatly it is only available in breezy, so I thought about backporting, which.. ;)
[11:16] <\sh> darcs?
[11:17] <siretart> I read some article about darcs, and did some rudimentary tests. it is a decentral scm, I think derived from arch in some way
[11:18] <\sh> siretart: url?
[11:19] <siretart> http://abridgegame.org/darcs/, but I looked at the package already in hoary
[11:19] <siretart> and in debian unstable there is also darcs-buildpackage, but this is still on my todo list
[11:38] <siretart> hm. tla-load-dirs needs merging.. checking MOM merge for upload
[11:38] <siretart> but is looking good
[11:39] <siretart> what is your opinion, should the maintainer in the merged changlog from MOM be changed from scott to the reviewer?
[11:40] <\sh> i don't know :(
[11:42] <siretart> asking in -devel
[11:53] <HostingGeek> are there any lazy MOTU in here besides me?
[11:54] <HostingGeek> ok ok I am not a MOTU
[11:55] <ivoks> ?
[11:57] <\sh> hmmm..daniel.robbins@microsoft.com
[12:07] <HostingGeek> lol
[12:07] <HostingGeek> \sh: I need IRC nicks
[12:08] <HostingGeek> anyway bill.gates@microsoft.com is more lazy
[12:08] <HostingGeek> he is to lazy to close down the company
[12:10] <\sh> HostingGeek: u don't know daniel robbins
[12:10] <\sh> ?
[12:10] <HostingGeek> no
[12:10] <HostingGeek> you?
[12:10] <\sh> yes
[12:10] <\sh> founder and chief architect of gentoo linux
[12:11] <tseng> thats not the same guy
[12:11] <tseng> @ microsoft
[12:11] <tseng> he has a blog with his picture on it.
[12:11] <\sh> tseng: drobbins is working for ms since the 23rd of may
[12:11] <tseng> well then there are 2 drobbins there
[12:11] <tseng> or you are misinformed
[12:11] <\sh> tseng: and there is a daniel c. robbins @ ms hes 3d graphical expert
[12:11] <\sh> tseng: read the gentoo planet :)
[12:11] <tseng> yes
[12:12] <\sh> tseng: i mean: drobbins
[12:12] <tseng> er
[12:12] <tseng> no thanks
[12:12] <tseng> boring censored drivel
[12:12] <\sh> tseng: it's big in the press
[12:12] <\sh> tseng: and it's big on all planets, blogs, newsticker, whatever you can read
[12:12] <tseng> *YAWN*
[12:13] <tseng> congratulations on his new job
[12:13] <\sh> tseng: my thoughts :)
[12:13] <\sh> now he can drop the gentoo shop, and start contributing some money to the foundation ,->
[12:14] <\sh> anyways...coffee
[12:16] <HostingGeek> moo
[12:28] <Nafallo> tseng: gooooood morning! :-D
[12:29] <Nafallo> hi all! :-)
[12:31] <tseng> :)
[01:12] <DanielN_> ARGH
[01:13] <DanielN_> can't belief that
[01:13] <HostingGeek> DanielN_: are youm daniel r really
[01:13] <HostingGeek> ?
[01:14] <DanielN_> HostingGeek: erm.. don't understand what you mean
[01:15] <HostingGeek> DanielN_: we where talking a lot about him before
[01:16] <Lathiat> HostingGeek: dude
[01:16] <Lathiat> HostingGeek: open your eyes
[01:16] <Lathiat> 'Daniel_N_' not 'Daniel_R_'
 ARGH
[01:16] <DanielN_> :))
 can't belief that
[01:16] <HostingGeek> lamont: maybe he is anrgy daniel_r_ was taken
[01:17] <Lathiat> now plz to -troll yourself
[01:17] <Lathiat> alternatively find the closest available cliff and fall off it
[01:18] <Nafallo> "fall" ;-)
[01:35] <doko> ajmitch: what's the status of libsigcx ?
[01:37] <Nafallo> \sh: ping
[01:41] <Nafallo> \sh: nm
[02:04] <doko> ajmitch: what's the status of cln, ginac, freefem
[02:06] <ogra> doko, remind me that i owe you a bottle of single malt for doing my paperwork, next time we meet.... thanks a big lot :)
[02:08] <doko> ogra: maybe you should be punished by bringing the bottle from Norway ;)
[02:08] <ogra> doko, too late.... i'm already back and have to build a first edubuntu CD during the ext two weeks :)
[02:10] <ogra> doko, but i have tzo go to london in the beginning of july, i could grab a nice bottle for you there :)
[02:11] <doko> :)
[02:20] <doko> siretart: what's the status of libaqbanking?
[02:46] <DanielN_PD> mhm
[02:47] <DanielN_PD> how are you all testing, that packages build on architectures that yourselfe doesn't have
[02:47] <DanielN_PD> ?
[02:57] <doko> DanielN_PD: what's the status of aqsis?
[02:58] <doko> DanielN_PD: what's the status of gdome2-xslt ?
[03:01] <\sh> Nafallo: pong
[03:01] <Nafallo> \sh: nm, but thanks for the wikipage about LocalAptGetRepositories :-)
[03:02] <doko> \sh: what's the status of gnuradio?
[03:03] <\sh> doko: no status update...the issue is raised at upstream but no change
[03:03] <doko> which issue?
[03:04] <\sh> doko: there is a compilation bug...
[03:04] <\sh> > ../../src/lib/.libs/libgnuradio-core.so: undefined reference to
[03:04] <\sh> > `gr_fxpt::TWO_TO_THE_31'
[03:04] <\sh> > ../../src/lib/.libs/libgnuradio-core.so: undefined reference to
[03:04] <\sh> > `gr_fxpt::PI'
[03:04] <\sh> This is our problem...
[03:04] <\sh> Eric
[03:05] <\sh> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/discuss-gnuradio/2005-05/msg00176.html
[03:05] <doko> with gfortran, or g77-3.4?
[03:06] <\sh> g77-3.4 i think
[03:07] <\sh> doko: what about ocaml?
[03:08] <doko> waiting for daniels ...
[03:08] <\sh> at least some showstoppers
[03:12] <doko> \sh: what's the status of libpqxx ?
[03:13] <\sh> doko: waiting for pitti :)
[03:16] <\sh> ahhh.
[03:17] <\sh> forget about pitti
[03:17] <\sh> working like hell :)
[03:17] <\sh> usr/include/postgres/8.0
[03:20] <doko> \sh: what's the status of snacc ?
[03:20] <\sh> working on it...fixing stuff
[03:20] <\sh> libpqxx uploaded
[03:20] <doko> \sh: what's the status of libsndobj2 ?
[03:20] <doko> :)
[03:20] <\sh> thx rest is easy
[03:21] <\sh> libflash i have to upload for Unfrgiven
[03:22] <DanielN_PD> doko: both finished
[03:22] <DanielN_PD> no wait
[03:24] <\sh> argl
[03:24] <\sh> libflash-swfplayerc2
[03:24] <\sh> nononono
[03:25] <DanielN_PD> doko: these libs aren't any more in my care! i just kept open the bug, and removed my name from the wiki list
[03:26] <\sh> grmpf..i will fix libflash now
[03:30] <doko> DanielN_PD: what the status "finished" or "I don't care" ?
[03:30] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:30] <tritium> Good morning, bddebian
[03:30] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[03:34] <\sh> ogra: ping
[03:35] <ogra> \sh, pong
[03:35] <\sh> ogra: r u driving to the linuxtag?
[03:35] <ogra> \sh, nope... no time for that
[03:37] <\sh> ogra: well, if i can manage I'm trying to get down there...and try to meet mako or anyone who is there
[03:37] <ogra> \sh, great.... go and represent ;)
[03:37] <ogra> \sh, you probably should contact mako before he travels
[03:37] <\sh> ogra: what should I represent? ubuntu or gentoo e.v. germany ?,-)
[03:38] <ogra> \sh, your choice ;)
[03:38] <\sh> ogra: first of all i have to check my account...:)
[03:38] <\sh> ogra: yesterday I got the letter from the lawyer of my ex :(
[03:38] <ogra> awww...
[03:39] <\sh> looks like i need a third job as a callboy or something...
[03:39] <ogra> heh, go ahead :)
[03:41] <thesaltydog> \sh, if you need any consultancy, in my life I got 2 letters from the lawyers of my 2 ex's..
[03:41] <\sh> thesaltydog: hahaha :)
[03:41] <\sh> doko: what r we doing about this apache license vs. gp license issues?
[03:42] <doko> DanielN_PD: please stop touching new packages, please fix your existing ones first (maybe ask \sh or ogra for help)
[03:42] <doko> \sh: I didn't read that yet.
[03:43] <\sh> doko: I raised it on ubuntu-devel ml...but looks like nobody is interessted ;)
[03:51] <\sh> and who put me on ogras bug as CC...doko?
[03:51] <DanielN_PD> doko: i don't care about these libs any more
[03:51] <DanielN_PD> doko: just for information
[03:51] <\sh> DanielN_PD: which libs?
[03:51] <DanielN_PD> aqsis, libgdome2-xslt
[03:52] <\sh> DanielN_PD: bugzilla entries?
[03:52] <DanielN_PD> are still there
[03:52] <doko> \sh: I did CC you
[03:52] <Nafallo> \sh: if you want, I could put you as CC on all ogra's bugs? :-)
[03:52] <doko> DanielN_PD: and what about the other libs?
[03:53] <Nafallo> \sh: but it wasn't me ;-)
[03:53] <DanielN_PD> doko: as you see, i've done a view of other libs yet.. and there are still such, where's my name in the wiki! and this one i do of course :)
[03:53] <ogra> \sh, didnt you do that yourself last week (iirc) ?
[03:53] <DanielN_PD> theese
[03:53] <\sh> ogra: no
[03:53] <DanielN_PD> argh
[03:54] <\sh> doko@ubuntu.com changed:
[03:54] <ogra> \sh, me neither... but i think i remember that you wanted to take them....
[03:54] <\sh> heute 15:43
[03:54] <\sh> ;)
[03:54] <\sh> i upload most of the stuff of Unfrgiven now i'm taking DanielN_PDs stuff and took some of ajmitch
[03:56] <\sh> doko: yeah i saw it..:)
[03:56] <\sh> DanielN_PD: i took your bugs over...i will upload them later (when your debdiffs are ok, with your address)
[03:59] <DanielN_PD> \sh: huh? correct with adress?
[03:59] <DanielN_PD> and which bugs do you mean? gdome adn aqsis or the others?
[04:00] <\sh> DanielN_PD: aqsis and gdome
[04:00] <\sh> DanielN_PD: with your email address :) so the upload is recognized on your account :)
[04:01] <\sh> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MaintainerCandidates
[04:01] <\sh> so many "want to be" maintainers have to show up again
[04:15] <zul> \sh: dont you mean posers :)
[04:19] <DanielN_PD> \sh: well, if this is ok, it's no problem for me!
[04:20] <DanielN_PD> \sh: but that means, that if something is wrong, the mails are sent to me, right?
[04:21] <Nafallo> zul: !status on rt2500? :)
[04:21] <zul> Nafallo: waiting for 2.6.12 to be released
[04:22] <Nafallo> zul: but it has the latest bugfix I told you? :-)
[04:22] <zul> Nafallo: its on the todo list we are trying to work on something that deals with rt2500
[04:22] <zul> please be patient
[04:23] <Nafallo> zul: hehe, I'll try :-)
[04:23] <Nafallo> zul: the <something> is that module-watch-thing I guess? :-)
[04:23] <zul> nope
[04:24] <DanielN_PD> going home
[04:24] <DanielN_PD> see ya later
[04:24] <Nafallo> k
[04:29] <\sh> DanielN_PD: u r on the bug at all...so u get all the mails...
[04:33] <\sh> zul: no...i mean "want to be" maintainers :)
[04:33] <zul> heh
[04:35] <\sh> ok...time to go home...
[04:35] <\sh> laters dude...
[04:35] <\sh> TB meeting at 20:00 UTC :)
[04:37] <ofr> hi
[04:38] <ivoks> hi
[04:39] <ivoks> doko: ping
[04:39] <ivoks> or anyone else :)
[05:18] <DanielN> ree
[05:37] <DanielN> ARGH
[05:37] <DanielN> ogra, sorry i changed something on a bug of you. took the wrong one, sry!
[05:37] <ogra> np
[05:40] <DanielN> doko: damn, you're right my debdiff is wrong ;)
[06:04] <DanielN> doko: sigcperl patch is fixed
[06:56] <lamont__> pymol needs some python2.3->2.4 love
[07:25] <rtcm> any motu around to review a (trivial) modification to a debian package?
[07:26] <ivoks> eh :)
[07:26] <ivoks> sec..
[07:27] <ivoks> are there any plans to port OpenSolaris's SMF?
[07:27] <ivoks> rtcm: where is your debdiff?
[07:27] <rtcm> didn't do one, will do and post a link
[07:27] <zul> ivoks: evil
[07:28] <ivoks> zul: why evil? :)
[07:28] <ivoks> licencse?
[07:28] <zul> ivoks: its not under gpl and its solaris
[07:28] <ivoks> zul: it's OSI certified
[07:29] <ivoks> well, i didn't check license...
[07:29] <ivoks> zul: ok, is there any other similar project?
[07:30] <ivoks> lol
[07:31] <ivoks> You may not remove or alter any copyright, patent or trademark notices contained within the Covered Software
[07:31] <ivoks> that sucks
[07:31] <ivoks> :)
[07:32] <rtcm> ivoks: there you go: http://artemis.av.it.pt/~rmatos/ubuntu/ion3_20050607-2ubuntu1.debdiff
[07:33] <elmo> ivoks: OSI certified generally means nothing
[07:33] <ivoks> elmo: i know
[07:33] <ivoks> elmo: i'm reading license
[07:33] <rtcm> ivoks: this package isn't being automatically imported from debian when it should given that the diff is a oneliner
[07:33] <ivoks> elmo: btw... is there something wrong with my PGP?
[07:34] <ivoks> rtcm: i don't think this will get into breezy
[07:35] <ivoks> rtcm: contact  Per Olofsson <pelle@dsv.su.se> There must be a reson why he left xinerama out
[07:35] <elmo> ivoks: I don't know, last I heard, mako was going to talk to you about it - has he?
[07:35] <ivoks> elmo: no
[07:35] <ivoks> elmo: he just asked for my PGP ID
[07:36] <elmo> ivoks: ok, I'll have a look at my mail in a bit, and check with mako
[07:36] <ivoks> elmo: i didn't heard from since then (week or two ago)
[07:36] <ivoks> elmo: ok, thank you
[07:36] <rtcm> ivoks: libxinerama doesn't exist in debian yet...
[07:36] <ivoks> elmo: if you have any questions, please, contact me
[07:37] <ivoks> rtcm: great! contact Per and suggest him this change
[07:37] <ivoks> rtcm: or even better, send him this debdiff
[07:39] <ivoks> rtcm: sorry
[07:39] <ivoks> rtcm: tell that to ogra :)
[07:39] <rtcm> ivoks: but while debian doesn't upgrade to xorg that package will be unbuildable there...
[07:39] <ivoks> rtcm: yeah, i made a mistake
[07:40] <ivoks> rtcm: ogra is "maintainer" in ubuntu
[07:40] <rtcm> I will mail ogra then
[07:40] <ogra> ??
[07:40] <ogra> ivoks, ?
[07:40] <ivoks> here he is :)
[07:40] <ivoks> ogra: you synced ion3 from debian
[07:40] <ogra> ivoks, its maintained by MOTU.....
[07:40] <ivoks> ogra: ah, i see...
[07:40] <ogra> ivoks, feel free to change it :)
[07:41] <ivoks> ogra: will do, as soon as I get upload rights :)
[07:41] <ivoks> or if i get upload rights :)
[07:41] <ogra> ivoks, but tell it the debian maintainer if you did, he wants to know about it
[07:41] <ivoks> ogra: i allways do that
[07:41] <rtcm> great... this is really a trivial thing
[07:41] <ivoks> they never respond :(
[07:41] <ogra> ivoks, great :)
[07:42] <ivoks> rtcm: great, i'll download sid's source and patch with your debdiff
[07:42] <ivoks> yes, yes, i know for uupdate :)
[07:43] <ivoks> rtcm: your name is?
[07:43] <rtcm> the one in the changelog :)
[07:43] <ivoks> ah, Matos
[07:44] <ivoks> ogra: i can leave his name/mail in changelog, right?
[07:44] <ivoks> can't
[07:44] <ivoks> or?
[07:44] <ogra> nope, not in changelog
[07:44] <rtcm> ivoks: feel free to change it
[07:44] <ivoks> ok
[07:44] <ogra> but in the maintainer field
[07:45] <ivoks> maintainer field?!
[07:45] <ivoks> doesn't that one allways stays from debian?
[07:45] <ogra> yes, please let elmo sync the recent version from debian before you apply the patch
[07:47] <rtcm> btw, aren't this king of chages in the build-deps automatically handled by the importer scripts?
[07:47] <rtcm> *kind
[07:47] <ivoks> importer scripts?
[07:47] <ivoks> i'm not aware of any scripts
[07:47] <ivoks> only people :)
[07:47] <ivoks> but i could be wrong
[07:48] <rtcm> I thought the syncs to debian were automated
[07:49] <ivoks> rtcm: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUToReview
[07:49] <ogra> rtcm, they are...
[07:49] <ivoks> rtcm: put link to your debdiff there
[07:50] <ivoks> rtcm: so when ion3 gets synced, I will patch it
[07:51] <rtcm> ivoks: in which section? i see three sections there
[07:51] <ivoks> rtcm: first
[07:54] <rtcm> ivoks: done, thanks
[07:55] <ivoks> thank you
[08:18] <Burgundavia> tseng, http://www.public.asu.edu/~bnickel/MuineTagger/ <-- thoughts?
[08:19] <tseng> i havent tried it
[08:19] <tseng> i dont see the point
[08:19] <tseng> i use easytag
[08:19] <tseng> its a thousand times more powerful
[08:19] <tseng> and it doesnt clutter the freaking ui
[08:20] <tseng> there is no reason for them to have put that crap in the main window
[08:20] <tseng> Burgundavia: did you want me to tell you what i really thought?
[08:21] <Burgundavia> I find easytag a piece of crap
[08:21] <Burgundavia> and useing itunes, I realise that editing IS part of music libraries
[08:21] <ivoks> :)
[08:21] <ivoks> flamewar :)
[08:21] <tseng> i find this plugin a piece of crap
[08:21] <tseng> get out of my muine window
[08:21] <tseng> go in the File menu like everyone else
[08:25] <ivoks> :)
[08:25] <ivoks> coc guys :)
[08:25] <ivoks> coc
[08:25] <tseng> dude
[08:25] <tseng> its nothing personal
[08:25] <bddebian> coc?
[08:25] <ivoks> bddebian: yes, CoC
[08:26] <Mez> ivoks likes coc
[08:26] <Mez> :P
[08:26] <tseng> oh man
[08:26] <bddebian> What about my coc?
[08:26] <tseng> knock it off.
[08:26] <ivoks> http://www.grawert.net/CoC.txt
[08:26] <Mez> :D
[08:26] <bddebian> Heh
[08:27] <bddebian> aww, thx
[08:27] <ivoks> :D
[08:28] <ivoks> easytag is nice
[08:28] <ivoks> and this muine tagger is nice
[08:28] <ivoks> i'm sure both will have audience
[08:29] <tseng> ivoks: of course
[08:32] <ivoks> tseng: why are they some red and some black listed files?
[08:32] <tseng> red means it fixed something
[08:32] <ivoks> :>
[08:32] <tseng> and you didnt save the changes yet
[08:32] <ivoks> hm... lots of fixing
[08:33] <tseng> you probably stole lots of music then :P
[08:33] <ivoks> :)
[08:33] <ivoks> i found CDs on the road :)
[08:33] <tseng> ah
[08:33] <tseng> and cddb totally farked your tags
[08:33] <tseng> since the cd was scratched..
[08:33] <ivoks> yeah
[08:33] <ivoks> mess, dude, mess :)
[08:34] <ivoks> lol
[08:35] <ivoks> do you want to rename project_topaz to do_it_with_madonna
[08:35] <ivoks> :))
[08:37] <ivoks> this is great app
[08:37] <ivoks> muine tagger sucks :)
[08:41] <herve> hello
[08:41] <ivoks> herve: hi
[08:43] <Riddell> anyone available to review a package?
[08:43] <Riddell> http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/ivman
[08:43] <herve> this makes me think...
[08:43] <herve> DanielN, ping
[08:44] <ivoks> rain... :(
[08:57] <ivoks> bye all
[08:57] <ivoks> see you at 20:00 UTC
[09:26] <DanielN> herve: pong
[09:27] <herve> DanielN, still need reviewing "when"?
[09:27] <\sh> re
[09:28] <DanielN> herve: you have to change your comment (md5mismatch is fixed)
[09:28] <DanielN> and then it's ready i think
[09:29] <herve> I remember I had other comments ;-)
[09:30] <DanielN> herve: some dh_* which are not used :)
[09:42] <\sh> Unfrgiven: ping
[09:43] <\sh> hope he is here tonite
[09:45] <\sh> DanielN: now i will take a look on your packages
[09:45] <\sh> your cxx packages :)
[09:46] <DanielN> \sh: again? :)
[09:46] <DanielN> \sh: ahh
[09:46] <DanielN> :>
[09:46] <\sh> hehe...well i have a life as I realized lately ;)
[09:47] <DanielN> ???
[09:47] <DanielN> can't follow..
[09:47] <\sh> DanielN: I wish i could work all day on this linux stuff and on my dtv main work :)
[09:48] <DanielN> \sh: same here :)
[09:48] <DanielN> well, not DTV but you now what i mean ;)
[09:49] <\sh> u don't want to smoke dtv ? ,)
[09:51] <\sh> DanielN: tell me, why do u change the name in debian/control but not the corresponding files for the installation?
[09:51] <ivoks> hi
[09:51] <\sh> aqsis-libs.dirs should be aqsis-libsc2.dirs
[09:53] <\sh> changed also debian/rules
[09:55] <\sh> ok...
[09:55] <\sh> and where is debian/patches/aqsislibs_c2_patch.diff
[09:56] <Burgundavia> tseng, is it worth reporting beagle bugs?
[09:56] <tseng> Burgundavia: depends on the bug
[09:56] <tseng> ill be glad to direct you
[09:56] <Burgundavia> Unhandled Exception: System.TypeInitializationException: An exception was thrown by the type initializer for Beagle.Util.Inotify ---> System.DllNotFoundException: libMonoPosixHelper.so
[09:56] <tseng> you need libmono-dev
[09:57] <Burgundavia> ah
[09:57] <tseng> we fixed this upstream
[09:57] <tseng> will hit soon
[09:57] <Burgundavia> ok
[09:58] <Burgundavia> cheers
[09:58] <tseng> working?
[10:00] <herve> DanielN, begin reviewing, I hope your router is ok :-)
[10:02] <\sh> don't we have meeting now?
[10:02] <ivoks> yeah
[10:08] <ivoks> herve: ?
[10:08] <herve> hmmm...
[10:08] <herve> how maintainers differ from motu?
[10:08] <DanielN>  herve, it should be ok
[10:08] <DanielN> or then i'm a bad sysadmin ;)
[10:09] <herve> DanielN, waiting server response...
[10:09] <DanielN> lol sorry
[10:09] <DanielN> then it's you, i tested it from several locations now
[10:09] <DanielN> and it simply works
[10:09] <DanielN> http://marissa.ath.cx/daniel/archive/breezy
[10:12] <herve> I could list the directory
[10:12] <herve> but no wget...
[10:12] <bddebian> Did wget ever get fixed in Debian and upstream?
[10:12] <herve> no s
[10:13] <ivoks> meeting time :)
[10:13] <ivoks> herve: what have you been drinking? :)
[10:14] <herve> what have I *not* been drinking? ;-)
[10:14] <ivoks> hehehe
[10:15] <\sh> DanielN: do u need upload space for your packages?
[10:15] <herve> no, he needs a good router ;-)
[10:15] <DanielN> herve: youre the one who sucks
[10:15] <DanielN> :)
[10:15] <herve> no, wget is
[10:15] <DanielN> my router is ok :>
[10:16] <ivoks> hm...
[10:16] <ivoks> i need help a bit
[10:16] <herve> just ctrl+c and run again, now it's ok
[10:16] <ivoks> i renamed limeshio0 to libmeshio0c2
[10:16] <ivoks> i need to change shlibs file
[10:17] <DanielN> herve: so you got it now?
[10:17] <ivoks> it containts: libmeshio 0.2.0 meshio (>> 0.2.0-0), meshio (<< 0.2.0-99
[10:17] <herve> DanielN, yes
[10:17] <ivoks> i'm not sure what changes should i do
[10:17] <DanielN> great
[10:17] <herve> \sh, so maintainership is for main or I get it wrong?
[10:19] <herve> DanielN, either you or I are doomed
[10:19] <herve> md5sum mismatch
[10:19] <herve> I'll use another tool
[10:20] <DanielN> err
[10:20] <DanielN> wait, it could be
[10:22] <\sh> herve: no
[10:22] <DanielN> herve: it isn't
[10:22] <\sh> herve: maintainership is for upload in common
[10:22] <\sh> herve: the differences are only upload for main or universe..so first universe and then some time after universe main
[10:22] <herve> so both main uploader and motus apply...
[10:23] <herve> ok, now I need to remember it :-)
[10:23] <\sh> herve: yes
[10:24] <Riddell> \sh: would you be able to look at my ivman package?
[10:25] <DanielN> herve: still md5mismatch? it works for me
[10:25] <DanielN> with apt-get source
[10:25] <\sh> Riddell: i'm taking now all the kde packages
[10:25] <herve> DanielN, I'm doing three thing at the same time :-)
[10:26] <herve> and I already get difficulty to concentrate on a single one
[10:26] <DanielN> ;>
[10:26] <herve> I'll tell you when I'm over
[10:26] <Riddell> \sh: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/ivman
[10:28] <\sh> Riddell: what's the purpose of ivman? ,-)
[10:28] <\sh> ah...now i get it
[10:28] <\sh> argl
[10:28] <siretart> hi folks
[10:28] <ivoks> alternative to g-v-m
[10:29] <siretart> Mithrandir: in which channel is the nx meeting?
[10:29] <\sh> Riddell: debian/copyright...only the first part..and then a pointer to /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2
[10:29] <Riddell> \sh: it's not GPL
[10:29] <ivoks> lol
[10:29] <\sh> or qpl
[10:29] <Riddell> no QPL in /usr/share/common-licenses/
[10:29] <\sh> hmmm..we should update this
[10:29] <herve> ivoks, really? someone was looking for a kde equivalent to gvm today :-)
[10:29] <Riddell> herve: where abouts?
[10:30] <ivoks> herve: ivman is no-gui
[10:30] <ivoks> herve: it lacks some g-v-m fetures, but is good project
[10:30] <Riddell> ivoks: which features?
[10:30] <herve> I mean, adding an icon on the desktop and open a konqueror window on the media
[10:30] <Riddell> herve: icon on desktop is already added
[10:30] <\sh> Riddell: if you put it on MOTUNewPackages i would like to sign it ;)
[10:30] <ivoks> Riddell: asking for password on mounting crypted usb stick
[10:31] <herve> Riddell, in kubuntu hoary?
[10:31] <Riddell> ivoks: hmm
[10:31] <Riddell> ivoks: any docs on making a crypted usb stick?
[10:31] <Riddell> herve: yes
[10:31] <ivoks> Riddell: yes :)
[10:35] <herve> DanielN, ok, I think we made a confusion
[10:35] <herve> I mean, the orig.tar.gz is not the same as the upstream tarball
[10:36] <ivoks> Riddell: http://www.flyn.org/easycrypto/easycrypto.html
[10:37] <DanielN> herve: that is correct! ivoks said i should do it like that .. making changes and then pack the orig.tar.gz manually
[10:37] <DanielN> err
[10:37] <ivoks> ?!
[10:37] <herve> ??
[10:37] <DanielN> i mean the upstream tarball
[10:38] <herve> you should rename the upstream tarball to when_1.0.23.orig.tar.gz and work from here
[10:38] <herve> you're not supposed to package upstream releases yourself
[10:38] <herve> remember to be as less intrusive as possible
[10:39] <DanielN> yep
[10:39] <Riddell> \sh: wiki doesn't want to work for me
[10:40] <DanielN> but herve: if i want to change something in the upstream.. i must provide it as a patch ??
[10:40] <herve> DanielN, replace your orig with the upstream one renamed
[10:40] <herve> regenerate a source package
[10:40] <herve> and I approve it
[10:40] <\sh> uh for me neither
[10:41] <herve> DanielN, yes you do, and report it to upstream for inclusion in the next revision
[10:41] <DanielN> argh i'm disappointet
[10:42] <\sh> DanielN: why?
[10:42] <DanielN> just rename the upstream tar to orig tar and rebuild?
[10:42] <ivoks> herve: is this about when?
[10:42] <DanielN> yeah
[10:43] <ivoks> upstream tarball, when extracted, doesn't produce when directory
[10:43] <ivoks> that's the problem
[10:43] <ivoks> it creats some other directory
[10:43] <ivoks> like release/ or something like that
[10:43] <DanielN> when_dist
[10:43] <ivoks> when_dist
[10:44] <ivoks> this is wrong, and should be changed, imho
[10:44] <herve> why?
[10:44] <ivoks> that's why you get md5 mismatch
[10:44] <ivoks> cause source should be in packagename-version
[10:44] <herve> he gets md5 mismatch because he made a tarball on his own
[10:44] <herve> ivoks, tell that to upstream
[10:45] <ivoks> herve: on his own?
[10:45] <DanielN> herve: i haven't an md5 mismatch
[10:45] <herve> of his own?
[10:45] <ivoks> i told him to rename that when_dist to when-version
[10:45] <\sh> now its working again
[10:45] <ivoks> and to gzip it and tar it
[10:45] <ivoks> but when he runs dpkg-buildpackage
[10:46] <ivoks> script creates .orig.tar.gz
[10:46] <herve> ivoks, I understand your point of view, but you told it to the wrong person :-)
[10:46] <herve> ivoks, no, the scripts compare the orig archive with the current state
[10:46] <herve> but certainly won't touch the orig
[10:46] <herve> any difference goes in the diff.gz
[10:46] <ivoks> herve: there wasn't .oirg.tar.gz :)
[10:46] <herve> unless it's a native package of course
[10:47] <herve> ivoks, that's what I told him to do
[10:47] <ivoks> unless he did something wrong :)
[10:47] <herve> rename the filename of the upstream tarball
[10:47] <herve> how do you get a orig otherwise?
[10:47] <ivoks> hm
[10:48] <ivoks> wifi-radar_1.9.4-0ubuntu2.tar.gz
[10:48] <ivoks> for example
[10:48] <herve> DanielN, you're going well?
[10:48] <DanielN> ?
[10:48] <ivoks> and i didn't have any archive in that dir
[10:48] <ivoks> dpkg-buildpackage created it
[10:49] <ivoks> hm..
[10:49] <herve> ivoks, hmmm... I may have missed it
[10:49] <herve> I'll check later
[10:49] <ivoks> but, you are right
[10:49] <ivoks> this isn't .orig.tar.gz
[10:49] <ivoks> my mistake :)
[10:49] <herve> DanielN, you know what to do?
[10:50] <DanielN> telling upstream maintainer?
[10:50] <ivoks> this archive contains whole source, with debian/
[10:50] <DanielN> ah
[10:50] <herve> DanielN, also :-)
[10:50] <DanielN> and it shouldn't, because that must be created with the .diff.gz, right?
[10:50] <DanielN> debian/ i mean
[10:50] <ivoks> DanielN: get archive and rename it to when-version.orig.tar.gz
[10:50] <ivoks> DanielN: right
[10:51] <herve> when_version.orig.tar.gz :-)
[10:51] <ivoks> hm
[10:51] <ivoks> http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-first.en.html#s-dh_make
[10:51] <siretart> the "_" is important. it bit me several times in the past ;)
[10:52] <ivoks> Package name and version are separated by the "_" .
[10:52] <DanielN> ok, and then debuild :)
[10:52] <ivoks> ah, wait!!!
[10:52] <ivoks> stop!!!!
[10:52] <ivoks> you should do dh_make
[10:52] <DanielN> cool down :)
[10:52] <ivoks> that will create .orig.tar.gz
[10:52] <DanielN> with the unchanged upstream
[10:52] <herve> hmm wait...
[10:52] <DanielN> ?
[10:53] <ivoks> DanielN: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-first.en.html#s-dh_make
[10:53] <herve> really strange
[10:53] <ivoks> i told you to do dh_make, remember?
[10:54] <herve> ivoks, don't make him mess his package :-)
[10:54] <ivoks> herve: it's better to learn it right, mess is irelevant :)
[10:55] <ivoks> it isn't big package, therefor can't be too messy
[10:55] <herve> but regenerating a whole source package...
[10:55] <ivoks> herve: nah... he can erase debian/*
[10:55] <herve> I thought that was easy
[10:55] <ivoks> and copy his own stuff
[10:55] <herve> but debuild keeps using when-1.0.23 directory
[10:56] <ivoks> ah, i'm to tierd :)
[10:57] <herve> don't tell me
[10:57] <DanielN> me too guys
[10:58] <DanielN> we should discuss about that at a funnier time :)
[10:58] <herve> agree
[10:58] <herve> I must admit I even forgot how one gets a orig.tar.gz :-)
[10:59] <DanielN> it's not debuild
[10:59] <DanielN> ;>
[10:59] <bddebian> herve: By hand.. :-)
[11:00] <herve> yeah, the most reliable ;-)
[11:00] <bddebian> Just don't leave "shit" files in there like I always do.. :-)
[11:00] <ivoks> herve: dh_make :)
[11:01] <herve> ivoks, we are supposed to know how to handle packages by hand
[11:01] <herve> aren't we, ogra? ;-)
[11:01] <ogra> ?
[11:02] <ogra> ah, yes :-D
[11:02] <ogra> herve, rather how to build packages with debhelper
[11:02] <ivoks> :)
[11:03] <ogra> i think by hand is to much ;)
[11:03] <herve> ogra, we wonder what makes a orig.tar.gz
[11:03] <ogra> tar ?
[11:03] <bddebian> hehe
[11:03] <ogra> if i make a new package, i use just tar... the dh_make
[11:03] <\sh> hey ogra
[11:03] <ivoks> no, it's gzip :)
[11:03] <ogra> then even
[11:03] <ogra> tar xzvf
[11:04] <ogra> err
[11:04] <herve> ogra, how to fix the orig.tar.gz
[11:04] <ogra> tar czvf
[11:04] <bddebian> tar -xzf
[11:04] <bddebian> fix
[11:04] <herve> I thought moving the upstream tarball to that name
[11:04] <bddebian> tar czf
[11:04] <herve> and debuild -S was enough
[11:04] <herve> but dpkg-bp keeps using when-1.0.23 as a name
[11:04] <herve> well, no
[11:05] <herve> why do I worry?
[11:05] <ivoks> :)
[11:05] <herve> if debian wants when-1.0.23 in the diff.gz
[11:05] <herve> but keeps when_dist in the orig
[11:05] <herve> I'm perfectly ok with that
[11:05] <ivoks> is breezy first distro that will be build with g++4/gcc4?
[11:06] <herve> no, fedora core shipped with that
[11:06] <herve> core 4
[11:06] <ivoks> ah, ok
[11:06] <ivoks> not shipped with gcc4
[11:06] <ivoks> but build with it
[11:06] <herve> built with too
[11:07] <ivoks> then they have all the patches, don't they?
[11:07] <herve> they provide a consistant set of packages and toolchain ;-)
[11:07] <herve> many for sure
[11:07] <herve> hmm... I'm wondering if you were there when we talked about it
[11:08] <ivoks> where?
[11:08] <ivoks> i'm new in ubuntu
[11:08] <herve> in this very channel
[11:08] <herve> but you came after the transition began, no?
[11:08] <ivoks> i've been here only one month
[11:08] <ivoks> and allready a MOTU :)
[11:09] <ivoks> without upload rights :)
[11:09] <ivoks> fake MOTU :)
[11:09] <\sh> argl
[11:09] <\sh> 3 packages, 3x patching time
[11:09] <Riddell> where can I find a list of Sections for packages?
[11:09] <ivoks> ah, bed...
[11:09] <ivoks> bye all
[11:10] <herve> bye
[11:10] <DanielN> but fc4 is silly.. they provide a stable release with a rc kernel
[11:10] <\sh> riddell: in /usr/share/lintian/checks/fields.desc?
[11:10] <\sh> DanielN: rc means for redhat nothing...they have cox, alan cox.
[11:10] <herve> Ridell, debian policy or http://packages.debian.org/unstable/
[11:10] <herve> DanielN, and OOo 2.0 by default
[11:11] <DanielN> ;>
[11:11] <Riddell> \sh: any idea which Section to put ivman in?
[11:11] <DanielN> \sh: wohoooo.. he's the man :X
[11:12] <herve> Riddell, I think of kde because this is quite specific, no?
[11:12] <herve> DanielN, I'll sign tomorrow now
[11:12] <herve> the wiki is dead anyway
[11:12] <herve> night all
[11:12] <Riddell> herve: no, the idea of it is that it's not specific
[11:13] <Riddell> and no program that uses glib can really be called KDE
[11:13] <\sh> well..difficult decision
[11:14] <\sh> utils?
[11:15] <\sh> i would say utils
[11:15] <Riddell> utils it is then
[11:15] <\sh> or otherosfs? ,-)
[11:20] <\sh> ok...time to go to bed
[11:20] <\sh> have a hard day tomorrow...cu uys
[11:20] <\sh> +g
[11:21] <siretart> \sh: gn8